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...number of jihadists do you want.
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to import into your society. what number of islamists? you're going to get some-
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that is going to lose its effectiveness for people to actually listen to what we're saying.
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reuben and gad play a concerning role where they kind of sanitize these people and present them to an audience.
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... appalling, but it strikes me as pretty obviously true, so the people coming out of syria and iraq,
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...the talk:theism issue. well then-
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...gay muslims. people who are not at all, for the most part, the average muslim.
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that would be considered, i think, on the left-
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i'm genuinely interested to know. i don't know how good a screening procedure could be, but-
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yeah, no, i agree with all those things and i say those things given enough time, but it's totally possible ...
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he's not willing to listen. he calls everyone who-
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...just absolutely crazy islamism and jihadism in the uk being subsidized by the welfare state of-
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... the u.k., so he's paying taxes to support the hate speech of the local imam, essentially- ...
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see that he finds this intolerable.
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yeah. it's not quite adolph hitler 1933, but it's sort of comparable. there are times where you've got to pull out every stop.
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well, no, we're going to see what these people are made of. i keep saying there's a crisis in conservatism coming.
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i'm going to maybe pose to you the things i've heard other people say. yeah. so, at least there's that.
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just writing half pieces about how he's not really as harmful or we hope he won't do the things he says he will, but-
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yeah, it's a fascinating thing [inaudible 00:01:52], isn't it? conservatives are now going around saying, "donald trump's okay. you've got to respect him because essentially he's been lying throughout his-
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well, how can you even be asked to take that gamble? how can you be asked to hope that he's lying about everything? it's just- i know.
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he absolutely is, but the people that love him are the ones that mock the campus snowflakes, which is-
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and, these other things are not a big deal. how can you turn your focus away from islam, if i'm criticizing the far right? they've never understood me. ...
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almost now. now i feel like i'm alone, you know what i mean? it's like you and me- [inaudible 00:02:33] i know. you, me, and six other people. that's it.
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right, which to me is worse kind of.
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there'll be the stab in the back conspiracy. this is what happens after the germans lose the first world-
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because- i've been called most things in my time and i've never been called that before, but i'm sure i better get used to it.
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that's all. it seems to be sort of you have to explain yourself for hours on end to just say, "look-
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yes. it's so good to talk to someone else who completely-
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she's explaining what she does at some meeting, and two white leftists accuse her of being an islamophobe.
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at the same time, i'm attacked by you just because i'm making, not difficult jargon, but a principled jargon.
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right. this is why i stay away from the term "islamophobia" because it just ... well, i feel like-
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it's got a pretty disgraceful history, islamophobe. islamophobe is a term. yeah.
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i try, i try, but people are easily upset by me because i don't pick a team. this is the problem.
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yeah, but here's the thing. you've got to-
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you cannot, whatever happens historically, people-
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...in future will be better. it may be worse, but some of the people who-
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if that's not unifying, if that doesn't bring out your inner liberal, then i don't know what will.
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it's funny, i interviewed a conservative muslim trump supporter- wow.
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we're so used to that. we don't think just how utterly weird this is.
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yeah.and the only reason christianity, and to a lesser extent, judaism are basically civilized at the moment, is they were made to be.yeah.
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again, people using divine mandates to restrict other people's rights, you attack those too-yeah.whether they're christians, whether they're jews, whether they're hindus.
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you're so right on that. you're so right on it. it is because the argument for freedom of speech is simply that, as long as you're not inciting violence. yeah.
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yeah, yeah, for me too. well, thank you so, so much again.
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robert even went as far as telling me he's grieving the loss of a friend too, but he's still getting work done.
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i mean, this is just the strangest attitude to have, before it's even released.
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he doesn't care whether trump denounces the kkk or not?
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hope you still enjoy the conversation.
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and you're not bothered by his other issues at all?
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well, you're asking a very sweeping question. i would have to go and look back at everything he said.
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right, right. i get that. but i'm just wondering if that is okay to overlook the... some of the other things.
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right. [crosstalk 00:00:36] but i mean, that's not enough.
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yeah. i did watch it. i just watched it right before you said, is he a muslim? i don't know. was he a muslim? a hundred percent.
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...thinking that he was a torah observant jew was naive. he meant that he followed the teachings of the muslim prophet moses.
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right. so, [crosstalk 00:00:48] i mean of course there are mosques saying horrible things and they should be looked into. i don't know about your numbers.
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the core beliefs and the mindset of the people they were trying to counter-
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well, bin laden, he was linked to the-
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bring up like so many islamic jihadists and supremacists. what, is that an equivalency or...?
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when he attacks me, i know. and especially when he attacks me for islamophobia, which is a trumped up, manipulative concept.
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okay, now this is false. that's a false statement.
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yeah, it is. okay, but you know how you say about reza being linked with all these nefarious people, right? so [crosstalk 00:01:08] you are-
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about things like vehicular jihad, where people are found dead after crashing- right.
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the phenomenon is absolutely real.
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clearly, you have a... you have an issue with islam, right? i just think it's disproportionate. that's all.
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that people can't take oath on korans. no american officials should be taking an oath on the koran.
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and you say they cannot take an oath on the koran, but you have no problems with anybody else.
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never did i say it should. never did i equate the two. in fact, i said that-
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that this has nothing to do with hate. this has to do with upholding certain principles.
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only a people who kind of support... support the jihad, according to you, and muslim brotherhood.
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it's going to be pious, don't you think?
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i believe in equality of rights of all people before the law. and one of your examples was that i didn't like obama.
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[crosstalk 00:02:07] i don't think that you should be blamed for murder. [crosstalk 00:02:10] anyway, but the idea is-
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do you think someone actually believes that their religion is a religion of peace however they delude themselves, whatever cognitive-
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and so, i don't know why that's so hard for maajid nawaz. it's... it-
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no, i'm not. i just told you a minute ago that there are plenty who do not know or do not care or some combination of both. yes. but when you're talking about people who have knowledge of it, these things are in there.
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people heard about it, parents heard about it, and they were livid. they threatened school boards with lawsuits.
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i think it was on isna, islamic society of north america's page. and they said that the school boards were bullying the muslim community by using this book.
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...christians, right? how can you expand it to troll other religions? i don't want to use the word troll, but-
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well, i'm glad i got to you on twitter.
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...i cannot wait. i mean, you guys did this pink mass with fred phelps mother-
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but we looked up and found that his mother's grave was in this-
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yeah. it's great. i love it.
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today with us we have conner habib, who's a writer, lecturer, and sex worker advocate. his writing has appeared in vice, slate and salon.
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he has appeared in nearly 200 adult scenes and is the vice president of the adult performer ...
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and so, but that to me is really telling, because it's like, there's so much intense feeling around- [crosstalk 00:02:52] religion.
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i've been called a racist. i've been called a white supremacist just for criticizing the religion that i was born into.
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...and we get a sense of completion when we hang out with other people who think like us or believe in the same thing or don't believe in the same things as us.
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well, i think, and what i don't understand and what i think paul is trying to understand and-
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it's really hard and especially, i think hard for people that have left in a way.
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let's do it and then we'll set up a podcast for it.
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oh, yeah. you don't.
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...listeners, and welcome to polite conversations with paul and eiynah.
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yeah, i know. i feel like my whole life is upside down. that's actually what happened. so, that's why i ended up leaving canada, which was so amazing. i loved it there.
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you know, being, and being zealous and getting really into it, i think is quite an emotionally draining experience. well, it... it was for me anyway.
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i mean, i left school at 15, remember? so anything that i learned there was ...
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maybe possibly go through. so as someone who desires to be an ally, from my perspective and leverage, whatever i've got at my disposal, what-
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ostracize them or make them feel horrible, or that i've got this western jesus complex that i want to save them.
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of as well. i was, i almost... watching that happen, i thought we've got merriam up there and then later on, we had fazal up there. and you know, i think fazal had-
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me neither.and sounds familiar.
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..ex muslims for such a long time and still getting a chance to meet somebody who i was going to interview in secrecy-
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inherent in anyone, it's not like you can catch it and [inaudible 00:03:46] all have the same symptoms that's- no-
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