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I work full time in LE currently, and our agency carrier G21 Gen 5 MOS’s. Safariland doesn’t make a red dot compatible holster for it. I know, it shocked me too when I found out Safariland doesn’t make a holster for a mainline Glock like that. Dara Holsters makes one for most 10mm options but it’s just not the same as...
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2024-12-07
I’ve seen 10mm 200gr HST compared to 9mm 147gr HST and what I’ve seen in gel tests is that, terminally, the penetration is similar. Of course that was just a video or two and not a direct scientific comparison so I don’t know much when it comes to real numbers. Although, I haven’t researched much in the way of barrier...
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2024-12-07
Are you by chance the Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America’s largest indoor retail shopping areas?
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2024-12-07
Let’s just say I am… got any good advice on segways?
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2024-12-07
I did armed security for a good while. 9mm is the better option for most people. Ease of access to weapons, most armed guards already possess a 9mm handgun, and it makes it easier for guards to share mags, etc. As much as I love 10mm, 9mm is the better option for security.
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2024-12-07
Thank you😭😭😭😭😭😭😭bro is trying to give a 10mm to mall cops
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2024-12-07
Look up what happened with the FBI when they utilized 10mm. Basically a majority of humans are too pathetic and weak to handle 10mm.
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2024-12-07
Too pathetic and weak for 10mm, too pathetic and weak to work for me. I’d probably just get them a Glock 43X or 48 if they really couldn’t handle 10mm, like a small frame woman or child. I’ll also be issuing wheaties.
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2024-12-07
Do y'all have archives of this? Would enjoy a good read.
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2024-12-07
Lololololololololol, there is a Sheriff Depotment that only runs Glock G40s. I think because they deal with moose, grizzly and shitty humans. So it is being done! I personally only carry 10mm.
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2024-12-07
Springfield xdm elite is the most reliable and doesn't have feeding issues. Also one of the cheaper ones with lots of after market stuff.
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2024-12-07
Look up gecko 45. There’s a thread of it on lonely machines.org and it’s good🤣🤣if you can’t find it PM me
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2024-12-07
[The man, the myth, the legend](https://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/)
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2024-12-07
The region we’ll be in has the potential for everything from ferals to black bear. Specifically, the hemp industry is growing (pun intended) and legislation may pass that’d require security for industrial growing facilities and transportation. I’ve got a client that’s interested in protection from seed to smoke if legi...
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2024-12-07
The biggest hurdle will just be cost of ammunition. But it's definitely a good option.
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2024-12-07
9mm is the industrial standard partly (mostly) because of hiring standards. Most recruits consider the 40 "punishing" 10 mm is the best mm. Hire right without worrying about affirmation action and buy the 10mms. It's a tool. I suggest sticking with Glock. Sig still has that "stigma" of going off by themselves.
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2024-12-07
Glock 40 brother... This is the only way
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2024-12-07
Ah yes, I am familiar. It's a good read the second time too.
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2024-12-07
My hiring goal is to get all the people the law enforcement profession needs to stay in it, out of it. A local business does BJJ and Muay Thai, has weights for lifting, and an indoor range all on one property. Goal being to have incentives to train there on a regular basis and each employee to have a training allowanc...
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2024-12-07
You are going to have a hard time with 10mm being your issue caliber. First, it’s hard for a lot of people to shoot. Second, it’s more expensive than 9mm. Third, it can be harder to source than 9mm. Business or military, you will live and die by logistics. Standard issue should be 9mm, with the choice for people to ...
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2024-12-07
Pretty dumb to choose 10mm over 9mm in this context. Most people, especially LEOs, are abysmally poor at marksmanship under stress even with tame 9mm. Choosing a lower capacity, more expensive, and substantially more difficult to shoot caliber as a business owner makes me think you lack the critical thinking necessary ...
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2024-12-07
Based
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2024-12-07
I think making that decision without seeking advice and doing research would justify your belief I lack the critical thinking necessary. I understand between what would be ideal and what would be practical. Hence why I’m posting here to gather information on aftermarket support and logistics before making that kind of...
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2024-12-07
In my opinion, 10 mm is best. This picture says it all! I wasted a lot of time shooting 9 mm. When I shot Glock 20 gen 5, it felt great. I even bought a Glock 29 gen 5 for my CCW. Compared to a 9 mm, i feel More power, but without the snappiness.[https://share.icloud.com/photos/043YAIOdR2i0AilaH_KaHrU2w](https://...
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2024-13-07
FN 510 Tactical
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2024-13-07
Just my two cents worth . They have not put the development into JHP 10mm that they have for JHP 9mm. Idk, the FBI says that 9mm is the best thing for them so most jump on whatever they do. Including the ammo manufacturers. The commercial 10mm JHP are not as hot as the hard cast for a reason, it’s not a standard LE or ...
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2024-13-07
I would personally see how many of the Glock 20c I could get. Power, with reduced recoil. However, I must also offer some another opinion. Your idea is solid and I would work for your security company any day, knowing I can carry the 1cm. But, cost is going to be high and training will need to be significant, due to ...
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2024-13-07
Check out the Sig P320 xten comp. It feels like a 9mm with almost twice the energy on target. Also, I disagree that 10mm is for "dangerous game" only. Look at the statistics for gun fights. If any shots hit, it tends to be the first round. "Follow up shots" miss. You might as well get nearly twice the energy on target...
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2024-13-07
I agree with that, so here’s my rough draft of a plan for training: There’s a local business that trains all kinds of psychomotor skills. BJJ, Muay Thai, Krav, kickboxing, conditioning, weightlifting, and they have an attached indoor range. For my full time employees, adding a membership there (I’m friends with the o...
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2024-13-07
And my selection would be Federal 200gr HST. I’ve compared it to the 9mm 147gr HST and you’re right, I’m not really worried about overpenetration with that cartridge. I’d love to have the XTEN Comp, my issue is finding a duty rated holster that’d support a red dot and weapon light. I’ll probably end up adding one to m...
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2024-13-07
I wonder about liability if there's a shooting. Criminal court, it's either a good shoot or not, but I think sticking to whatever the local PD uses avoids any complications in a civil case. "It's obvious X security wanted to injure/kill my client, they picked a non-standard firearm based on its ability to kill and woun...
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2024-13-07
1911's have incredible triggers. They are heavy, but you can't do much better in a pistol gunfight with a 2011. I've heard they can be finicky for the first 500 rounds until they break in. Might want to polish them up if you are into gunsmithing.
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2024-13-07
I need an application for this company lol
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2024-14-07
Call a lawyer who defends LE/ CCW/ Security guys . I imagine caliber won’t make a difference. Ask or look at Massad Ayoob’s content. He has been a professional witness for both LE and CCW defendants. Either way you will need to have great insurance and a great legal team in place to defend your guys and your shop. I wo...
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2024-20-07
I have used 9mm and 40 over the last 20 yrs in Leo work. Glock 17 /. HKP2000. / Glock 19. My preference of the three has been the Glock 19.
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Want to pick up a 29 next month, but the gen 5 is sold out everywhere. I can get my hands on an OD green gen 4 or should I be patient and wait for the gen 5 to become available again? What would be your reasoning for choosing one over the other?
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2024-12-07
I don’t have both, but what are your plans with the gun?
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2024-12-07
Nothing immediate, but I want to start hunting next year. Would probably conceal carry sometimes too. I have a .45 for my edc though.
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2024-12-07
To me, of more importance is whether it is a SF or not
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2024-12-07
The gen 4 I’m looking at is not.
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The g29 does actually conceal fairly well despite its width and is a good gun to bring hunting. If you’re not going for concealment, g20 is the way. Recommend Dawson sights if you’re not going for a dot. Getting slides milled for dots is better than mos. If I were you I’d just get the gen 4
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2024-12-07
Thank you. I do plan to get it milled. Got a holosun 507c on standby. The OD green frame looks too pretty to pass up as well.
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2024-12-07
Jaegerwerkz did mine for a 509t + nitride, has been great
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2024-12-07
Gen 4 without backstraps is supposed to be the same as an SF
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2024-12-07
See if your local gun shop can order you one...
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2024-13-07
Yes, and the with the medium back straps is the same as like a gen 3 regular 29, with the larger ones it’s just a little extended but I personally use the large beaver tail one on my 29 gen 4, fits my hand like a glove.
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2024-13-07
I just have a 20 sf as I used to have a 30sf but I can’t get behind the pinky mag bs I *need* a regular grip lol.
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2024-13-07
I just added the Pearce grip +2 extensions on my 10rdrs and the xgrip sleeves on my G20 mags for it, and the +2 extensions even have the same gen 4 texture/stippling. But I get ya, everyone’s different. I just personally don’t have a lot of $ to buy a bunch of different ones so I got my G29 G4 as a CC for EDC and if I ...
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2024-13-07
I even got the Pearce ones for the 30 and I couldn’t jive with it. If I ever lose my trigger finger or pinky though for some reason the 30/29 would be my new go to since it’ll flush fit. I don’t have huge hands that necessarily need the 20 but I wouldn’t like a 26 either for the same pinky issues.
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2024-13-07
Gen 5
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2024-13-07
Go on Gunbroker and find one
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2024-13-07
If you are left-handed then the Gen 5 is worth the wait, if you are going to conceal then look at SLR rifle works for a mag extension
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2024-13-07
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2024-15-07
This is a 10mm sub. However, that's normal. Oxidation and oil/dirt over time can cause that. My carry ammo looks similar. I think it's the same ammo, too.
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2024-12-07
Sure he’s right but this is a 10mm sub. Also hornady critical defense and critical duty is trash. Don’t use filled hollowpoints
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2024-12-07
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Ever since I got this, I’ve hated the way the light fits on the rail. I have short fingers and smaller hands and the light just sits too far towards the muzzle. The light actually sticks out just a little when it’s in the holster. Almost like I have the wrong key in the light. FN says it’s a 1913 rail and that’s the ke...
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2024-13-07
Might have to bite the bullet and buy the set
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2024-13-07
The 1913 key has the closest notch size, so least play. But i did end up using the Glock key, which is a looser fit until you clamp it down, obviously. Gets it a touch closer to the trigger guard. You should be better off with the 1913 if that doesn’t matter to you.
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2024-16-07
Wait? They make this without a threaded barrel? I thought I was fucked from buying one in wa
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2024-16-07
Only the tactical version has the threaded barrel. Mine is just a 510mrd and not the 510t
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2024-16-07
What’s the actual differences?
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2024-16-07
No threaded barrel. Comes with 2 15rd mags instead of the tactical that comes with a 15rd and a 22rd mag. That’s it.
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2024-17-07
Took the Glock 20.5 and FN 510 to the range this morning. I tried Magtech 180 JHP and Underwood 220 Hard Cast Black Cherry through each. Both handled a box of Magtech no problem. With the Underwood 220 hard cast, the FN ate it up well. No FTF for the box of 20. The Glock had multiple FTF on all three magazines I tried....
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2024-13-07
Hmm I’ve run 100 rounds of underwood 220 hard cast through my 20.5 without a problem
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2024-13-07
Interesting, I want a FN510 still. Love my glock 20 tho. When I had my glock 20 I had FTF issues in the beginning. Have put over 2k rounds through it now. I started labeling my oem magazines and found it was 2 that came with the glock that were consistently the reason for the issues. Not a single hiccup since removing ...
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2024-13-07
Great to know. Thanks!
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2024-13-07
I’m trying to decide between these two right now and heavily leaning towards the FN. I’d just like to hold them in my hand and see which feels more comfortable but I can’t find any shops in my area that have them in stock. Which one is more comfortable to you / which grip would be better suited for smaller hands?
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2024-13-07
I’ll drop down to 200s and see what I get. It’s a journey for sure seeing what mine likes.
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2024-13-07
I added the thinner back strap to my FN. I seem to control it better now. I think the thin backstrap on the FN is a smaller grip than the Glock 20.5.
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2024-13-07
Between my 510T and comped G40, I take the 510T 9 times out of ten. Wouldn't mind a comp on that 510T, though.
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2024-13-07
Awesome, thanks for sharing. I may just order one since there is a rebate right now from FN. have you found holsters for it easily?
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2024-13-07
I haven’t looked for any holsters yet. I did some searching in this group and Red Earth Concealment comes up often.
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2024-13-07
Which optics can be mounted on the 510? I’ve got an SRO on my G40, but have an extra Delta Point Pro and SRO waiting for a host. Hearing the talk about the 510 has me a bit excited and I now need to shoot one
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2024-13-07
The Kenai chest holsters are looking pretty good for outdoor stuff
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2024-13-07
What magazines did you pick up in lieu of or in addition to the oem mags?
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2024-13-07
i found a sale on glock oem magazines, and just bought a bunch. I have like 8 now, have shot enough through them all to trust them and with no issues as of now. I recently tried my two magazines with the issues after switching out the springs and they still gave me FTF’s consistently. FTF with everything, cheap range a...
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2024-13-07
That’s odd. Probably not worth contacting Glock to replace the defective ones. I don’t have a ton of brand experience (sig Glock and Walther) but the Glock mags are generally my favorite of the lot. At least it’s so easy to pick addl oem Glock mags
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2024-13-07
I haven’t even looked at optics yet for any of my firearms. So, I’m not the best to give advice here. It did come with 4 plates though.
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2024-13-07
Interesting info you’ve presented here. I remember watching a YouTube video years ago from Hickok 45 when he was running a G20.4 and the heavier 220 grain ammo kept keyholing in the paper targets at very short distances (I think like 7-20 yards). However the 200 grain and below did not. And since I also own a Gen 4 G...
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2024-13-07
I’m in the early stages of shooting a lot of different brands/grain size. It will be an interesting journey for sure.
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2024-13-07
Thanks, good to know and I’ll stop being lazy. Do you find the grip better than the G20?
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2024-13-07
It may sound strange, but I like both actually.
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2024-13-07
Hows the 510 with the 220gr?
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2024-13-07
Cycled all 20 with no hiccups.
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2024-13-07
I also shoot a snubnose 357, so I didn’t think the recoil was bad at all.
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2024-13-07
Excellent
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2024-13-07
I mean I was getting ready to send in my glock 20. Ya the magazines, I might buy some followers for them and if that doesnt fix it will just trash them. Just happy I know what was giving me hang ups.
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2024-13-07
I did put in for the rebate when I purchased last week. $100 is nice!
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2024-13-07
I think that’s what I’ll get for my hunting rig.
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2024-13-07
Similar experince with the FN - it shot everything, no issues, from 135 to 220, plus range cruft. Never tried the Glock. (I have too many Glocks)
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2024-14-07
So far for holsters for the FN 510 (I haven't bought one yet), I've bookmarked: We The People: [https://wethepeopleholsters.com/products/fn-510-tactical-red-dot-optic-cut-owb-holster?variant=40501372551266](https://wethepeopleholsters.com/products/fn-510-tactical-red-dot-optic-cut-owb-holster?variant=40501372551266) ...
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2024-14-07
DPP pattern (SRO, Deltapoint etc). I got the DPP for mine.
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2024-14-07
OOS currently, but this is the nicest one I've found. [https://www.anrkydexholsters.com/product/anvl-sharur-fn-510-compensator/](https://www.anrkydexholsters.com/product/anvl-sharur-fn-510-compensator/)
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2024-14-07
Sweet thanks. I'll check in from time to time.
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2024-14-07
The FN510 is the best gun I’ve ever owned. I’ve owned the s&w 10mm but the FN is miles ahead of the competition
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2024-14-07
For me, so far, so good!
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2024-14-07
The FN510 and Springfield Elite are the 2 best 10mm on the planet and will eat ANYTHING, Glock gen 5 has issues from what I hear but now my Glock 29.5 will eat anything also along with g20.4
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2024-14-07
The Glock20 will outlast the fn with reliability and durability but the fn has better features out the box,also to be noted you can upgrade your Glock to your liking with a red dot or any other upgrade but if I had to depend on it with my life then I’ll go Glock due to documented reports from law enforcement/ military ...
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2024-14-07
I’ve probably got around 400-500 rounds thru my 510 and I’ve yet to have a FTF or any sort of malfunction with it. I’ve checked spent casing for bulges and I’ve found none either. All from standard range 180-200gr fmj to spicy underwood 135, 155, 180gr xtp and liberty civil defense.
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