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::I have other ideas, but thanks all the same.
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::::Where do you suggest?
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:::::::::::::Having said that, I notice the Aquila website is referenced about twenty times on WP.
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How can you ignore truth? I am a direct source of this and I have the information about Burke as an inside source.
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How can you ignore truth? You want to libel me think about where you get your sources from.
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hey asshole will you go fuck your dead mother if you're going to spread libel about me as I am guessing you're Carl N. Brown. Who are you?
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`:::::Palmer's role in the event is substantial. But this article (as named) is not about the event. Its about the lion. The amount we should talk about Palmer on an event (death of) article, is much greater than we should talk about palmer on a ``cecil`` article. In any case, I am not saying we can't have an article about cecil. as I have said multiple times the content we have now is appropriate for an event article. Therefore we should make this be an event article. If we do or do not want a separate cecil article is an entirely different question. If this remains a ``blp`` article, then the content which is inappropriate for a blp (tangental biographical details about people other than cecil. effects on conservation,criminal investigations, etc) should be removed. I would rather they be WP:PRESERVEed, so I support renaming this article. `
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` :* I agree with McGeddon. As the author, you should be able to find some sources for this. The ones in the article now don't support the claim. I've tried to help and find some, but unfortunately the same term is also used for a popular fishing lure, so results are muddled. In searching on some of the rappers in the genre, I can't find anything that also uses this term, so please help us out and supply some soon. Thanks! `
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`A shared working relationship and agenda, limited actual knowledge of the subject in this case and unfortunately no desire to seriously discuss how much to highlight an obscure thesis. Of course. Best to just put NPOV tag on the article because consensus is impossible. Not that the Edwards reference concerns me much. There is a published view that Advaita and ``enlightenment`` itself is a fraud created by possession by power hungry beings, specifically referencing Ramana Maharshi. That view deserves equal treatment as far as being referenced. To quote the author: Consider this quote by the currently popular guru, Ramana Maharshi: “Repetition aloud of His name is better than praise. Better still is its faint murmur. But the best is repetition within the mind — and that is meditation. Better than such broken thought is its steady and continuous flow like the flow of oil or of a perennial stream.” Ramana Maharshi’s statement represents mantra meditation’s goal: a state where the mind is timelessly identified with surrender to the name of one’s god – identical with the god himself. The mind itself has become self-negation at the feet of the deity. Empty of original thought and dynamic desire, the “liberated” person’s ego is dissolved: the very thing that made him or her human. All that is left is a mind-body shell, a meat-robot, that moves through life as a surrendered instrument of some greater will. I suggest the greater will is not that of the Infinite. It is the will of the god who has taken the place of one’s mind... Does this sound like possession? It surely appears to be. Think of all the gurus you’ve met with their palpable shakti. An energy so real no one who experiences it can deny it. What is that light in their eye, a light beyond this world? Whose is that power they touch you with, embrace you with? Is it the shakti of Brahman, the light of pure consciousness? Or is it the power of Kali or one of her friends? Gurus often say they are the embodiment of Shiva, Kali, or some other god. Why do we not take them at their word? I would like to suggest that mantra meditation turns humans into zombies who serve the agenda of the gods. That agenda is procurement of more humans and more human energy. This explains the common phenomenon of proselytizing by the religious, including fundamentalist Christians, TMers, and disciples of other varieties. Servants of “God” or the gods feel a driving need to bring in more recruits. The god that moves through them fills them with this zeal, as a hungry stomach fills the mind with an overwhelming need to procure dinner. There are no gods, in the sense the gods would have us think of them. No one has been designated by the Infinite to control creation and administer the laws of nature. The sun shines by itself as an entity with its own consciousness. The rain and wind don’t need a god to direct them; they move where they will in harmony with their fellow elements. All things are children of the Infinite, spirits or egos in their own unique right, expressing in physical form and also in astral dimensions. The gods are spirits/egos like everybody else. Most of the time they dwell on astral planes, which is why human senses normally don’t perceive them. According to ancient records, they have visited the earth in ages past in physical forms of their own, as entities from the stars. They are no more divine than a ghost, no more cosmic than you or I, and no more entitled or intended to run the universe than any other gang of warlords might be. Somehow they’ve gained control of this planet, and have held that control at least since the beginning of recorded human history. But that is no reason to think the Infinite wants it that way, or that life needs to continue that way. True empowerment is not the Indian concept of enlightenment. It is knowing what we are and living from there. We are spirit: individual and eternal, moving within the consciousness of That which created, sustains and pervades all life. Knowing this is not difficult. It only requires putting attention on that which is beneath the content of thought. Acting from this place of empowerment is natural: we can ordain reality from that quantum level. Everyone can do it. Everyone is equally powerful moving and creating in the depths of their own consciousness. Unfortunately, people rarely do that, though, as the mass hypnosis that governs human life convinces us that karma, fate or the will of God runs the world, that we as individuals have little direct control over what happens to us. The gods are the purveyors of this global hypnosis. It serves their agenda of control. True liberation does not mean rising above the illusion of ourselves as egos. It means rising above the illusion that as egos we are cut off from the powerhouse of creation. That as individuals we are something less t
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` — Preceding unsigned comment added by • 20:54, 14 October 2015‎ (UTC)`
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NawlinWiki|NawlinWiki]] I have been vilified too many times and I will not let this piece of shit go around slandering me and the fact is you're trying to delete me entirely from history and I can't allow this. [[User:
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How can you even be that bias?
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Kurt, Green, Gaudino were demoted to FC Bayern II as per the footnote that I placed. I think you are getting confused in that they have a professional contract, but they do not train with nor do they play with FC Bayern. It would be like putting all the Hartford Wolfpack on the New York Rangers roster. They all have pro contracts, but have been demoted. Kurt, Green do not play for FC Bayern Munich. Same applies to Lucic. He has a pro-contract (as does Fabian Benko), but he does not play for FC Bayern. He plays for FC Bayern II. Dylan Strome plays for the Erie Otters. He's under contract with the Phoenix Coyotes. But Wiki correctly identifies the Phoenix Coyotes roster with only those that play there. Lastly, it was footnoted which really irritates me that you would lie and even suggest a vandalism charge. I think you've greatly over-reached your boundaries and should you continue to harass my edits, I will take action. You've been warned.
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Corporation, or company? you decide.
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::didn't ask for your opinion, especially if you are those with interest in computers. A good article is commended on word choice, reasonable assessment, as well as WP:Lead. Anyone who doesn't post here means that I have universal consensus [sic].
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::: Contrary to your views, According to most editors here, the revision in Question is sub-par, but not horrible. We'll use company if it suits your twisted logic. Done
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The Wikipedia Nazis are legion and have little real biographical or contextual knowledge but have taken charge of the Ramana Maharshi article and nothing really can be done. I've seen this before. They have no interest In discussion it is just a chess game to them and they are already working together to build a case to justify ignoring and shutting you out. The best you can do is try and keep biographical information accurate. They are determined to distort Hinduism much as Wendy Doniger has successfully done. It works because all these peacock editors want to do is puff up their egos and exert power. Don't assume good faith there is none.
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You have nothing better to do than stallk and harass anyone who disagrees with you. No comments were directed to you.. As I warned other editors your personal agenda against Hinduism would be followed by threats and misuse of your connections to punish disagreement.m.It is perfectly fine for your cohort to call me a single purpose religious account which is not true but your stated ipurpose dismissing the basis of Hinduism is fine because you are the best editor on a subject you dismiss as illusion. Never fooled me with the mediator and let's talk facade I saw right through it. Sorry but no serous academic institution takes Wikipedia references seriously and that is a fact..
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Nothing ever happened; not advaita or neo-advaita, is the understanding.
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Be warned. Retribution is ongoing and the editors are serious about getting those who disagree with the POV pushing agenda banned in open retribution for the complaint by any means possible. I've seen this before with other victims. I would have advised not to waste time going up against career editors but you kind of got entrapped so I weighed in as I have little to lose. Which is why many experts have lost interest in editing here. Expertise means nothing.
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` :Don't worry too much about little ol' me, I know which admins to call if anyone gets too fired up and aggravated/aggravating. I doubt I'll have any problems though for a long while yet. I am grateful that you are choosing to message me on my talk page as it does help to just keep everything transparent and ``above board``. :In regards to your request for comment on user conduct (hope that's right, the link is now a disambig page), you aren't really breaching any of the NPA guides, but more treading a bit close to them. While I mediate (formally or informally) I try to get everyone to focus solely on the content of the discussion rather than attributing anything to anyone when in a negative context or lighting, but I don't really care much if it is something positive. But that's me rambling a bit; for you specifically, it is saying things like ``None of the sources even come close to backing up what you are saying. None of the sources you give say anything about ``a chase```` which could be worded instead to focus only on the content rather than a contributer's proposed content, eg ``The sources do not support the content being proposed/added. The sources also do not mention anything referring to 'a chase'.`` Do you notice how the second is focused solely on the content and sources being discussed, whereas the first is obliquely passing judgement on the user's proposal/addition? Minor wording semantics but nonetheless have a noticeable impact on discussions that are contentious or otherwise lively with comments. :I hope this helps allay your concerns as I don't really have a problem with ``what`` you're saying (usually the biggest concern) but I do have some minor concerns about ``how`` the message is/may be interpreted. The other user has raised bigger concerns for me (especially after seeing the diff above) but they seem to have calmed down a great deal from where they were before. (I won't mention their name as you seem to desire at least a modicum of privacy, but o felt you deserved an honest comparison of the difference between my concerns for you both. I'm trying to just help you and them reach a peace table safely without being blocked or sanctioned along the way) :If you have any further questions or concerns then feel free to reply, or f you ever want to share any new articles, discussions or user boxes, message me or ping me. Cheers, `
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Bishonen: Sorry but this is just more of the same and I offer no appeals, regrets or retractions. As I said, the goal all along was to block dissent to POV pushing under the guise of Wikipedia rules. As a longstanding editor I knew this and the consequences of telling the truth even though indefinitely banned having demonstrated my point about wiikipedia corruption and even though I never made any edits to the article in dispute and the comments were not addressed to the harasser and wiki stalker but a warning to a more naive editor who did not realize what they were up to. I have nothing to lose and predicted the harassment would succeed if challenged so let others with less experience and more misplaced AGF illusions be warned about confronting establiished career editions pushing POVs.
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== Guess what... == I met Cassianto yesterday in London and he called you a twat. Just thought you should know.
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== By the way... == I met Eric Corbett in Manchester yesterday and he called you a twat. Just thought you should know.
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You are misinterpreting the books.
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Barring one or two in fact most ref links don't show anything relevant but would appear to be an opportunistic attempt to advertise subjective reviews.
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` : That edit was done before my warning so I won't block. But I hope TheFeralCat that any more edit warring will result in a lengthy block from me. `
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` ::I just read that section and I think it's referring to proper names, eg ``Venezuela``, ``Nikita Kruschev``. I don't think this applies to common, routine words like pizza. `
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You are basing that information on just one opinion poll. If you look at all opinion polls, they clearly show Conservative support hovering around 30% at the beginning of September. Currently, opinion polls show the Conservatives are hovering around 30% It remains unchanged since Crosby was brought in to help the COnservative Party in the election.
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` ::::If you think about it, most every word in English was borrowed from some other language, because words are very rarely invented out of nothing. ``Pizza`` was taken from Italian, but is really a routine English word now. It's not exactly some esoteric word used in specific contexts, like yakuza or jihad. ::::Plus, who needs to be taught the pronunciation of pizza?`
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:::::I did no such thing, I reverted you POV-pushing deletion of sourced content.
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`, specifically you repeated deletion of the word communism from the lead, despite the fact that the day is officially (as sourced in the article) a remembrance day specifically for victims of ``communism`` in some of the countries where it is observed`
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Please stop changing English names into German ones. This is Wikipedia in English, not in German.
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===Narihira in setsuwa literature=== Narihira was a recurring figure in later tale (setsuwa) literature.
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`Mabuchi et al. 2001 605.`
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== About the LEGO Scooby-Doo Doo airing on Teletoon. == I RECORDED the episode myself that day do I know it was that day. It's not my fault you can't Google it yourself to confirm.
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== here's your fucking citation == https://mobile.twitter.com/TELETOON/status/650022444921544704 Fucking happy?
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Hi Paul. If you look at this page's history you'll see a guy called Blofeld recently made a couple of very bizarre edits. The guy then decided he was an expert on what is probably the most obscure sultanate ever to have existed. This is obviously puzzling since the sultanate is in fact the area around my girlfriend's back garden. But this is silly. You should know already that there's a rather pitiful clique on this website. They prop each other up in spats on various talk pages; they support each other's articles in the FAC process (effectively devaluing the process as a result); and seem to enjoy stalking and baiting other users. To be frank, I think it's best to treat these little boys with the contempt they deserve. Eventually they'll get bored and start creeping round someone else. Ever heard of the forest Ton Sak Yai in Uttaradit? A few days ago I uploaded an article about Buçaco Forest in Portugal. Next I intend to write a piece about Ton Sak Yai. The forest is home to the world's largest teak tree.
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` :I just checked the article on matter and the word ``matter`` itself does not have a rigorous, universally-accepted definition. Until physicists sort out the semantics, ``dark matter`` can be as real as ``ordinary matter``. `
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` *I think it would be wise if you were to hold off on adding information about your family to Wikipedia's mainspace for the time being. The problem here is that while these people undoubtedly exist, you need to show how they would be notable per Wikipedia's guidelines. Existing as a performer or an athlete does not give notability in and of themselves - you have to show where they pass WP:NACTOR or WP:ATHLETE. For example, in the article you wrote about yourself you mention that you performed in films, however these roles were minor and would not give notability even though the film itself is notable. Notability giving roles are ones where you would have a sizable speaking role, would be one of the major characters, and/or would be mentioned in reviews of the film. You also mention your book, however the book has received no critical notice outside of a Toronto Heritage award, which isn't the type of award that would be considered a major enough one to keep on that basis alone. I looked at your father's IMDb page and neither of the roles he had would be major enough to warrant a keep on that basis either. :Basically, verifiability isn't entirely the issue here. Yes, we need to be able to verify them, but we also need to be able to prove that they're notable. I know that this must be difficult to hear, but from what I can see neither you nor your father currently pass notability guidelines to where either of you would warrant mention on Wikipedia. This is why it's so highly discouraged for people to edit about people and things that they're directly involved or related with - in many cases the people won't pass notability guidelines and it's hard to hear someone say that you're not notable. People aren't questioning that you or your father aren't related to notable people, just whether or not either of you are notable enough to warrant inclusion in any format on Wikipedia. So far the answer is that no. I hate being so blunt with this since I know that this will just make you angry, but this is per Wikipedia's guidelines, which are incredibly strict. I've had to delete pages on people who have published books that sold exceptionally well, yet they never gained the coverage necessary to warrant an article. :Again, Wikipedia is not a place to keep track of your family history or raise awareness that you and your father are related to notable persons. I understand your frustration, but right now it's really not a good idea for you to continue adding pages on your family to Wikipedia. I'd more recommend going through someplace like Wikia, where you have more freedom in what you can include. You can try creating articles via WP:AfC, however I need to stress that you will have to show where their accomplishments would be considered major per Wikipedia's guidelines. Simply being related to someone notable is not enough and you have to show notability via coverage in independent and reliable sources. `
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` ==Uk55== I fess-up, you have caught me again!! But you'll never find the true puppet master who is really ``ignorant, arrogant, nasty and rude`` ... Dave Zanko! #Ignorant.2C_arrogant.2C_nasty.2C_and_rude`
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> I also loved the comment by DieSwartzPunkt that I create a user page which says nothing of consequence or just plain nothing. Hmm maybe the CheckUser might like to look at User:LiveRail for this common factor.
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` :::A WP:BOLD move, but you appear to have completely ignored Kallio (2014) among the key sources (who, in particular, supports the initial division into Livonian, South Estonian and rest), and for some reason also chosen to delete the discussion of the Southern Finnic and Northern Finnic groups. :::Feel free to request citations for any particular claims you find confusing or poorly attributed. • `
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` :::Ah yes, what I often call scare quotes. Sme people take the view that the quotation should exactly replicate the ending punctuation of the piece being quoted, but that often doesn't work; it would force you to end your own sentence at the point the full stop appeared in the quotation for instance. `
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` ::::, thanks. I usually follow the guideline of asking the protecting admin first as they might have some insight as to why protection was set that way. `
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::Understood; I was thinking your t-ban only extended to editing MOS provision, but broadly construed this obviously touches on MOS. Sorry to bother you.
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` :That's laughable. I tried editing and I was completely civil at the time. I was incorrectly accused of being a sockpuppet and banned without any evidence being presented. In fact, when I tried to appeal it the admins mocked my appeals and didn't address my arguments. So when I'm told I need to play nice and wikipedia wants new editors I know it is completely bullshit. If wikipedia really wanted new editors they wouldn't falsely accuse and ban people for shit they aren't guilty of. We all know the truth, you will get banned for ``wrongthink.`` Nothing on wikipedia really has to do with policy. Hell, I'll even show you my account if you want. Why would I bother making another one when it would just get banned without justification? `
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::: Thanks, Cake. I've been meaning to get back to you on this. I have a lot of books on Michigan football history and Yost, but I moved last month (after 22 years in the same house), and my stuff is in quite a state of disarray. When I find my Yost stuff, I'll get back with you.
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` :WP:ACDS is not a policy, it's a procedure. Pages that are policy carry an appropriate banner, usually . `
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Haha! Fair enough guys! Please let me know how it should be cut down and I'd be happy to do it otherwise you guys can. Cheers!
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::Ok Melonkelon, I have abridged the section astronomically and removed the sentence you took issue with altogether. Hope this helps!
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== Music == Hey she won this ? Also this is not the main page song meltdown is not on the list ?
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` == Debut for Yorkshire == I would like to get some feedback before I post this picture to the article. It looks like the cricketer sitting in the center of the front row is Kilner. Even if Kilner is not pictured in the photo, it seems to me that the picture is relevant to the ``Debut for Yorkshire`` section of the article. The article is somewhat lacking in good pictures anyway so adding this might enhance it to some degree. `
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of the 1911 Yorkshire cricket team
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, or he may be standing in the back row on the far left
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== FC Bayern Roster edits == Footnote 148, which I placed. Yes, this guy, explains exactly why those players are not on the current squad. And as for edits, it's on bitch. Don't ever fucking block my shit again. This is war. It's on, baby. Don't. Waste. My. Time. Ever. Again.
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:Sure! I don't have any particular expertise in the topic, but am happy to help improve the article. I will probably end up making stubs for all of the species redlinks, then come back and add info to the genus article. Feel free to add info from your draft (after you've rephrased from the original source text), and I'll copyedit and tweak the wiki-formatting.
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` The first issue here is use of use of the word ``revealed`` religion, which was completely well sourced, but you have reverted (and again, you have also done some massive modifications without any consensus at all), to show some two theories. Your whole argument is based on one sentence from one source, while I would provide several references below. But, before that, your one source does not even contradict it being a revelation. From your own one source: Page 78: ``...Guru Gobind Singh's work is best understood as the fulfillment of Guru Nanak's revelation. The Sikh organization had taken on the semblance of a State during...`` So your own source is describing it as ``Guru Nanak's revelation``. Now, my addition was well-sourced, and I can add here tens of other sources. But, I believe, at this point, there is no need to even share them, since your own source agrees with revelation. Next, you keep quoting the sentence on ``not being Prophet, but illumined soul``. As per your own definition, ``Prophet is one who utters divinely inspired revelations, believed to have come from God``. In this sense, since your own source says revelations, it is completely fringe and weak to consider even the ``non-Prophet`` aspect as reliable. Especially when there are 10s of other reliable sources that also use the words ``revelations`` and ``Prophets``. And further, again, even in your own source, when describing ``Guru``, the author quotes: ``On account of his divine prerogative and attributes the Guru, though human in form, is godly in spirit. God speaks to humanity through him. God enlightens the seekers of truth through him and his word.`` The author also states, ``Guru Gobind Singh tells Bhai Nand Lal .... (Guru is) the Light which is eternally God and represents God's Being in pure form. It is because of the consummate perfection, that God is in the Guru and the Guru is in God.`` So, I have not even brought it any of the other 10s of sources, and your own single source is so weak (and on the contrary, it actually supports ``revelations``, ``God is in the Guru`` ``God speaks to humanity through him``). As I had said before, it is you who needs to get consensus before your massive unexplained edits that you keep performing. And finally, as a general advice, the fact that Sikhs consider the Gurus to be direct messengers sent by God, and the Guru Granth Sahib to be the word of God, is one of the most basic and fundamental beliefs in Sikhism. I am surprised you are not aware of such a basic and fundamental aspect. `
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` * It's still a list of terms. It's not a ``history`` as it has editorial narrative. It should be renamed as a list. `
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I'm surprised that you're having trouble finding reliable sources containing her birth name. It took ne 10 seconds to find the Guardian article (cited) which talks at length about her birth name. I see articles in the Telegraph, The Daily Mail (she's apparently suing the Mail for claiming Jack is not her 'real' name - sound trivial?), The Independent, Pink News and... in pieces (plural) her own website. The subject seems to think it's relevant but you don't? How odd. It's staying unless arbitration says otherwise.
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==YOU A**HOE!== HEY STOP FKING YOUR MOTHR! GET A LIFE OF YOUR OWN AND START MINDING YOUR OWN BUSSINESS INSTEAD OF UNDOING OTHERS EDITS, YOU DO NOT OWN WIKIPEDIA, TRY TO KEEP WIKIPEDIA ALIVE, THERE ARE SO MANY ARTICLES WHICH ARE NOT BACKED BY SUPPORTING INFORMATION, THAT WAS HOW WIKIPEDIA FIRST CAME TO LIFE, EVERYONE WROTE WHAT THEY KNEW. STOP MORAL POLICING. GO GET A LIFE IN REAL WORLD, FIND A JOB EARN SOME MONEY, MARRY AND MAKE A LIFE INSTEAD OF SPENDING ALL TIME ON WIKIPDA. YOU ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING TO WIKIPDA by GUESSING OTHERS EDITS TO BE BAD/WRONG YOU A_HOLE. MOTHR FCUKR COME EAT MY SHT.
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` :::::: Congratulations, and then some, on the more than well deserved barnstars! :::::: Indeed, does get two User pages with one username, but the .en and .fr Talk and User pages are comprised of entirely different content; as it should be on Wikipedia for languages I think. :::::: For the French article I would simply translate the meaning of the English text, but would use references to French sources; I would also use some English references, as need be, and translate their quotes ...in theory at least. :::::: I have taken the pleasure to thank for his immense contribution. :::::: PS. Regarding copying the signature, as Oscar Wilde said ``Anyone can be original; it takes a genius to copy`` {| style=``border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;`` |rowspan=``2`` style=``vertical-align:middle;`` | |rowspan=``2`` | |style=``font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;`` | The Editor's Barnstar |- |style=``vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;`` | With much appreciation for your meticulous editing, encouragement (I still remember the ``Yee haw!``) and great tips. You have been immensely helpful! Thank you for helping to make Wikipedia better. |}`
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Matty, see Bidisha for more on this. Yout last point 'For what it's worth' is irrelevant. Thanks for your input, however.
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. Please keep in mind that digital store categorizations (such as on iTunes) and the names of record charts an album has charted on (such as Billboards Country Albums Chart) do not qualify as appropriate sources for genres. Please cite a professional review or critique from a notable/relevant source for subjective interpretations of creative works, such as genres
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and mine; https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_video_game_consoles_(eighth_generation)&oldid;=685519785 now the memory clock speeds of the main consoles (x1,PS4,Wiiu) I put that there along time ago when no one lse has bothered to and other details in that article and thers i have done it and others built upon it...now look closely att he microconsole section in my version comapred to his...in his he has alot of things missing in mine i actually went to 1st n 3rd part websites n with a little thinking and figured all this stuff out myself and ofcourse looked up the facts in other websites...i mean the info matches even some articles here i mean i dont understand what the problem is when i'm actually doing the better job here, how the hell can he think doing a half assed job with errors be better than one that is more detailed and accurate just because he didn't bothered looking it up or figuring it out on his or her own hmm? like i said this is more than just an error correcting it seems more like a personal thing to me from some envious 42 year old man..if he was the one who went through all this trouble to look up the info, fill in the blanks with a little thinking and problem solving he wouldn't say anything lol but since he din't he uses and abuses his power by saying its disruptive..that is ridiculous on so many levels and totally untrue..ilike i said before i;m learning and yes i'll try to cite and get links or sources as much as i can but as you can see by the links i put here well i know how to find out facts about something as best as i can...as you can see my contributions and work speeks for itself...so i made a few mistakes in the past , we all have its completely normal to make mistakes but theres adifferenc between making mistakes and being disruptive to purposely mess up an article..i would never do that because this is 1 of my favorite websites i come here pretty often to look up information and its wonderful that anyone can contribute but i also know that also anyone can purposely vandalize or mess up on purpose..im not those people, take my edits seriously and i did enough contributions here that i can tell the stuff i put has helped others because the ones who appreciate my efforts are the 1s who built upon it and don't erase it because its correct..just because some1 does edits in a mor lazy and half assed way doesn't mean they have to abuse their power as admins just because they couldn't do it themselves..thats childish and immature and unjust...i'm sure theres many who would agree with me on this and i know the ones who don't aree are probably the ones who have the same prejudice and envious mindset as the 1 or 1s who suspended me just because i want to make a more accurate and specific version of an article as opposed to a half-assed mostly blank article just because they didnt feel like doing the extra work or researching or figuring out piecing things together or because they aren't knowledgeable on the subject...im tech savy so i know enough i contribute and i come to wikipedia to get information and research so im a contributor as well as a reader..do the right thing..people like me aren't disruptive just because we have different ways to edit that are more dedicated than some...we all have our ways of doing things and as long as they do it with good intentions to make the site better than they're not being disruptive its nto as if they're purposely trying to mess up an article..it because we all have ways of doing things..but 1 thing i know is that being as accurate n thorough as possible isn't bad..
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== Jack/Melissa Monroe == How do we solve a problem like Pinkbeast and their militant pal? Monroe's birth name could scarcely be more relevant...
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:::::::Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a venue for pushing your own POV. You are the user who wants to change a stable and sourced and unproblematic wording, not me. Stalinism, for the record, is one form of communism, among competing communist ideologies. Removing communism is totally unacceptable, but I don't see much difference between the old wording and the most recent one. All communist/Stalinist, fascist and Nazi regimes are totalitarian by definition.
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== Paid Kleargear Editor == Take a bow woman. You have been well identified.
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`::Obvious from this unproductive dialogue why I am retiring my user account after 10 years and why I warned Mauna about consequences. If we responded that way we would be sanctioned so it makes the point for me; thanks. Exactly why I abandon my account unapologetic and unmoved by being ``lucky`` there were not more severe sanctions for blowing the whistle. I knew the consequences going in. Silence here IS golden. Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source academically anyway. Goodbye. `
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My friend Kazlev has moved on years ago, I am retiring my account from Wikipedia after making this final comment having seen every article I worked on deteriorate, and I doubt there is any point in me trying to explain why they are different that in your terms if you can't see it from the text. The IZ is a realm, not a psychological state. Which is what makes it so dangerous. Do what you will...that is the law.
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:You know, you're free to do this yourself. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone.
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==Image== Updated image from 2006 to current one.
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` == List of multiple discoveries (to )== On 8 August 2015 you were so good as to notify me that had been blocked for 24 hours due to edit-warring conducted by him to restore his ill-conceived edits to the ``List of multiple discoveries`` which showed him to ``seem not to understand the concept of a 'multiple discovery', one that is made by more than one person independently.`` Two months later, on 6 October 2015 (please see here ), resumed his misguided edits. A few examples: He added a section heading, ``15th century``, placing in it Galileo Galilei and Simon Stevin, both born in the 16th century. In the ``17th century`` section he placed ``link between arteries and veins—Marcello Malpighi``—with no other, independent discoverer mentioned (as required by the article's definition). In the ``18th century`` section he entered ``Methane (1778)—Alessandro Volta``—again, with no other discoverer mentioned. Under ``19th century``, he placed ``Avogadro's law—molecular theory of Amedeo Avogadro``—once more, with no other, independent discoverer. In the same ``19th century`` section, he changed ``In 1876 Elisha Gray and Alexander Graham Bell filed a patent on discovery of the telephone`` to ``In 1871, Antonio Meucci and Alexander Graham Bell filed a patent on discovery of the telephone.`` Under ``20th century``, he placed ``Nerve growth factor (1950)... discovered by Rita Levi-Montalcini and Stanley Cohen``—an ineligible entry, since they made this discovery together, not independently of each other. In the same ``20th century`` section, he entered ``Technetium of Emilio G. Segrè and Carlo Perriero [sic], an essential material used for the nuclear weapon``—ineligible on two scores: technetium is not used in ``the nuclear weapon``, and the mineralogist Carlo Perrier (not ``Perriero``), according to Wikipedia, ``discovered the element technetium along with his colleague, Emilio Segrè...`` is single-handedly making a hash of the ``List of multiple discoveries``. How can the article be protected from him? Could you please advise me which would be the appropriate Wikipedia administrative forum in which to raise this matter? Thank you. :Warned Libesruinssineced. Thank you, ::Thank you so much. This should avert further confusion and misinformation for readers of the ``List of multiple discoveries``. `
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:::::The day before an Su-25 was downed but this news was first reported on July 17th before the MH17 crash, i.e. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28345039. :::::Ukraine says no airplanes were flying on July 17th and DSB Final report concludes that there is no evidence of any other planes, as all Ukrainian primary radars was under maintenance or switched off and did not record data. :::::
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::::::::::I realize that, but my edits were in good faith too. AGF goes both ways. The discussion had stagnated for a few days. -
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No questions. Thanks for your concern. P.S., you and Pinkbeast have 'proven' what, precisely? I think the other guy's comments are far more complete and coherent which is why I've come down on his side of the fence. What in my editing history makes you think I am pushing an agenda? Do I have a history of commenting in LGBT issues? No. Her birth name is notable - even she writes about it FFS...! Arbitration looks to be where we're headed, and I will comply with whatever they decide. It makes little odds to me.
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Just to let you know as I quit using my account that I have had enough of this recent harassment personally after 10 years and have retired my account. I know you tried but you see now what you are up against. Which is why I quit editing these articles a while ago. These are not experts they have an agenda. Good luck mate.
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` == Requested move 19 October 2015 == * Golden Days (disambiguation) → * Golden Days → – I see no reason why the song is the primary topic of this phrase. I think ``Golden Days`` has a highly variable meaning, and that no article is the primary topic. `
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`Created disambig page because the previous redirect apparently misled at least one Wikipedia editor to incorrectly equate ``the Taira family`` with ``the Taira clan`` and thus misquote a source that referred to the Ise branch as ``the Taira family``. (``virtually the entire Taira family was hunted down and murdered`` became ``As Yoritomo consolidated his power, he had every member of the Taira clan killed.`` before later being altered to ``As Yoritomo consolidated his power, he had nearly every member of the Taira clan killed.``.) () `
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== Swag == Be quiet and mind your own business
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: Seems a reasonable request reasonable to me.
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== Help me! == Thank you for your help. I'm sorry about the misunderstanding since I saw a Wikipedia page of another ONG I thought we could do the same. From what I understand the only way for me to create it, is to write the page as an individual who has had experience with the organization. Please help me with...
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::::Hi WreckSmurfy, great work on 87 Guards Rifle. Can you tell me which Russian wikipedia pages you are using? There needs to be an attribution template on the talkpage to indicate which Ru wikipedia pages have been used. So would be good to sort this out. Cheers and very many thanks again.
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` ::Well if you want to sincerely discuss it I can make an exception as I have the expertise and have some time so I ask you first to consider the full context of the selections you outline. The Aurobindo letter begins: ``All these experiences are of the same nature and what applies to one applies to another. Apart from some experiences of a personal character, the rest are either idea-truths, such as pour down into the consciousness from above when one gets into touch with certain planes of being, or strong formations from the larger mental and vital worlds which, when one is directly open to these worlds, rush in and want to use the sadhak for their fulfilment. These things, when they pour down or come in, present themselves with a great force, a vivid sense of inspiration or illumination, much sensation of light and joy, an impression of widening and power. The sadhak feels himself freed from the normal limits, projected into a wonderful new world of experience, filled and enlarged and exalted; what comes associates itself, besides, with his aspirations, ambitions, notions of spiritual fulfilment and yogic siddhi; it is represented even as itself that realisation and fulfillment.`` In short they are talking about planes of consciousness (basically astral and mental planes) which more experienced occultists are familiar with as actual realms. Ancient occult lore is true that there are stages of awakening to these planes which is what is meant but the danger is in not being able to handle the energies and conscious influences, archetypal forms and beings there so that one becomes more of an intermediate zone medium (a sad state some of us have actually observed which is why Kazlev popularized the concept). This becomes clearer once you read the full text of Paul Brunton's Chapter on the Intermediate Zone here: http://paulbrunton.org/notebooks/16/12. ::Brunton's beginning point is that: ``The pathway of the mystical goal is strewn with human wreckage. Why? Several reasons would be needed to give a complete answer but one of the most important is this: Between the state of ordinary man and the state of the matured mystic there lies a perilous and deceptive psychological region which has been given various names in mystical literature. It has been called the astral plane, the intermediate zone, the hall of illusion, and so on. The early efforts of all aspirants in concentration, meditation, self-conquest, and study, bring them into this region. But once here their egoism becomes stimulated by the subtle forces they have evoked, their emotional nature becomes more sensitive and more fluid, their imaginative power becomes more active and is less restrained. The consequence of failure to negotiate these changes properly is swollen vanity, superstitious credulity, emotions run riot, and imagination gone wild. The safeguards against all this are first, submission to the philosophic discipline and second, submission to competent guidance.`` ::I appreciate that you have more of a Buddhist orientation in your views while the sources use Hindu based concepts. In this case to say that the IZ is similar to a Buddhist concept of a spiritual bypass which is ``a tendency to use spiritual ideas and practices to sidestep or avoid facing unresolved emotional issues, psychological wounds, and unfinished developmental tasks`` is sufficiently related to the IZ concepts of Aurobindo and Brunton to justify combining rather than cross referencing them, is to miss the import of the IZ concept. You would be familiar with the Buddhist wheel of life with its different realms of being. A more Buddhist way to look at it would be that you have to pass the tests of illusion and influences of certain beings of each realm up to and including Mara to truly get through the IZ (and free of the wheel), and it is too dangerous without a proper guide. While Buddha (or for that matter any enlightened being) is fully awake and present on every level of the wheel) the aspirant is only awakening slowly from the dream and can be easily confused. Even highly practiced, relatively balanced and well meaning spiritual people can and do fail to pass through the IZ. The ``spiritual bypass`` is a concept far too psychological to express the broader meaning of the IZ. ::So I think your idea has some merit and certainly the article can and should be improved but a better solution would be to improved the cross referencing and not just force an integration of the terms. I hope you take the time to thoroughly review Aurobindo and Brunton's full exposition of the concept before pushing ahead. I have no difficulty with you taking over lead on the article in that case. All I ask is that editors be thorough and give some weight to those with expertise on a specific topic. `
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::::No, Melanie, I do not think it is a consensus just yet. I agree with EjGreen. If it is due to be done within the upcoming 12 months, I think the article should go ahead even if the exact date and venue have not been officially been announced. Thanks.
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Game play through versus How to Play videos With the bulk of the content being uploaded to the channel having shifted away from play throughs of games I thought it might be handy to create another section with lists of games that just have instructional videos and those that have multi-episode play throughs.
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` :Almost all of those Gbooks results are uses, not mentions; i.e., no basis for a non-SYNTH article. The concept of ``native Taiwanese`` doesn't have a clear mapping to any Chinese term. The article Taiwanese people✝ already has an adequate introduction to some of the problems with terminology. Taiwan specialists tend not to use this English term ``native Taiwanese``, because it's a politically loaded word relating to the (all, in some sense valid but) conflicting claims of Taiwanese aboriginies, Hoklo nationalists, and Waishengren's children to nativity. :✝oblig. The term ``Taiwanese people`` itself is problematic, rabble rabble. Its promotion is related to the phenomenon of certain people on Wikipedia being allergic to the idea of a ``Chinese people`` or a ``Chinese language`` (as in, a single language with dialects), even going so far as to create articles like Gan people which predate any real-life ethnogenesis. `
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:I added a † to games that include one or more videos showing a complete play through of a game.
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== Season Numbering == I made some changes to the numbering of the seasons so that they correspond to the numbering on the Watch It Played YouTube channel.
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*You're welcome (see here http://actas.rfef.es/actas/RFEF_CmpPartido?cod_primaria=1000144&CodActa;=25127) ;)
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:Notified the editor of this discussion.
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:Apparently it comes from the joint website for the trophy started by the supporters groups that started the award. I've seen it before. That said, it's just a poor choice of image, as it gives a false impression that it's the current design of the trophy. It's not. Nor is it the original design. It ideally should be a picture of the current trophy with another image of the original one further down in the history section. :But, in fact, no where does the article actually mention that the original trophy (which wasn't actually a shield-type design at all) has been retired and replaced with a large round shield/plate trophy. In short, the article contains the records, but doesn't actually cover the trophies themselves, which are the actual subject of the article!! Totally needs fixing.
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` == I love you == You are fat. §§§§ { / }`
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`....would you prefer expressing my frustration in what i don't agree with and try to say it as direct and respectful as possible or would you prefer for me to not say much and be harsh to you and not give care to what you sat? would that be suit you better?i could..but i don't think that's what you want...ramblings you said just because you don't like to be told off doesn't mean its rambling, deal with it like a MAN and take criticism because not everyone does things the same way...so for you or anyone complaining about speaking one's mind i could care less tbh but you're abusing your power and you are the reason or one of the reasons you make it unpleasant for some to edit in wikipedia...even when i try to to make good edits and a lot more thorough and informative you have a complaint about it.. i'm doing exactly the same thing you are doing pal, are not any more or lesser than me....don't talk the talk if you can't take it when people speak their mind about things you don't want to hear cause that right there is childish, you expect people to bow to you and not respond? lol good luck with that you're not getting that out of me...i mean i'm willing to compromise and discuss things but you are putting half-assed edits..i'm filling them out an expanding and putting sources on them i might add and you or others with your limited mentality revert an article to 1 with very little information ..how are empty spaces better than filled ones? that makes absolutely no sense...i even provide some sources from where i get my stuff from and still complain n harass?...you prob didn't even notice some of the edits there you see in even your edits and others were done by ME lol, you just built upon it and added your own, i'm not saying you nor others taking credit for others work and research (i hope not that's just unprofessional and messed up) but you got something of a personal motive that you're not admitting to, if i'm doing the edits as best as i can and doing it the same way as you are and tryign to provide sources...what s the problem then? the stuff i get my info from are from credited 1st or 3rd party websites lol..what more do you need? the signatures of the editors of the other websites where i get my info from? come on now haha..why don't you be a little more honest and say what really is your problem with me instead of making escuses for it and when people confront you about it or want to speak their mind you back out...oh yeah that's very mature pal just because i don't believe in the same ideals as you ...i mean how can an admin of such ``REPUTATION`` be so naive..i don't get it..you don't like others to express their disapproval or speak their mind about how to improve an article i mean this is what U r doing ``4 + X = 5``..that's ok to you right ..missing information that you won't even bother to look up fully and this isn't a grammar class people make typos all the time big deal deal with it..this isn't a regular article its a talk page. i got my say as much as you do regardless of how long you have being editing here or your position here etc, i have a say as much as you do...if you can't take criticism of your poorly edited works than maybe you shouldn't be editing here in the first place..you have no seniority or control over me whatsoever..no one does as i don't have over you ...all i'm asking is for me do do things right and i'am i give u sources , i flesh out the articles n fill in the blanks ..what more do you want guy?...don't make arrogant excuses about my typos or so called ramblings just because you can't take being told in your face criticism in your work...the point is i COMPLETE the articles..you and others with your mentality don't finish it or bother to do a more thorough look..so don't make excuses for your wrong doings ..so you can't take criticism, you don't like other people's edits that re more complete and informative than yours unless you are the 1 editing them, you make excuses for people speaking their mind when they tell you things in your face that are mostly true but you aren't mature enough to own up to it, you make it personal...so if you or anyone who thinks like you don't think about it or made the effort than its BAD right? lol...who you think you are? god ? lol ....i try to be respectful and i want to be able to edit freely in my own way even though my versions are usually more complete , informative and thorough, i don't make up facts i don't troll or do things with bad intentions here..especially here because i rely in wikipedia myself when i want to look up something just because you haven't thought it up or made the effort to be more thorough doesn't mean you or your kind with your mindset have to abuse their authority here because they weren't creative enough to come up wit h it themselves..like i said go ahead and make excuses about misspellings and ramblings because you hide under that to mask your own faults wish it was you who done it and thought it up so what do you do? you make excuses because you can't accept others doing a better job at editing that you do...tell me if I'm wrong..pfftt not that you'll be man enough to admit to and others with your limited and immature mindset would act the same as well i bet..don't take it out on others who are more dedicated, and thorough and smarted than you are ..that is not only childish...its just pathetic...we're suppose to be working together not against 1 another, so go right ahead , or your kind make excuses for your actions and use little pointless flaws like a simple typo or misspelling, to use it as an excuse because you can't take some doing things better than you..admit to it instead of making excuses for it..i make my edits thorough and informative (not half-assed or missing like others i've seen )and i try to provide sources for them...so what exactly is the problem here that SUPPOSEDLY i'm breaking wiki standards lol...=i see many missing half-assed articles here all the time and i don't see them being improved on and when thy are i bet you don't give credit to the one who tired to improve it, you would probably take the credit for yourself of others peoples efforts..its common sense..if an article is missing information , you fill it up and look for it, that's exactly what i did..you have a bunch of missing information and blank boxes in your versions and you mean to tell me that's acceptable? hahahaha give me a break..we both know who is the one MAKING THE EFFORT HERE its obvious, just at least be man enough to admit your mistakes and wrongs and envying people and using your authority here on others who done a better job just because you haven't thought of it or made the extra effort doesn't mean you have to criticize their own work...you wanna do half -assed articles that's fine by me they are your edits anyway not mine i could care less but when i'm doing my edits i like them to be complete and thorough as possible that's the difference between you and me..i'm committed and take this seriously and i never do edits with bad intentions or put fake info...EVER ..sadly there are those who are actually DISRUPTIVE...i'm not those stop using the wrong terminology on others who are jsut more dedicated and smarter than some...those aren't disruptive...its more like ``i'don't like them doing a better job than I do`` excuse ....how would you like it if i judged you based on your character and personality or even appearance? you wouldn't like it would you? i know what i'm doing is right and i at least i'm not alone on that because others feel the same way and others even you prob without noticing it have done edits on articles that were built upon some of the things i improved on them ..but that's the point for us to help 1 another and influence each other...that's what suppose to be the point of wikipedia...ik my edits helped many people and besides you whether you admitted or not, have built upon my efforts to make their edits better in at least using my methods...you got your way of editing i got mine but if your half assed edits are ok with wiki standards than mine should pass with flying colors..my contributions to this site speak for themselves..i never do a half-assed job in my edits i put a lot of effort and time into them..so next time don't compare me to those whose intentions is to put fake info, or mess up edits on purpose..THATS DISRUPTIVE EDITING, i don't and would never do that, i respect this site and what it represents..its an open editing website for a reason you know...you aren't the only making contributions here, some do it better than others, you just have to come to terms with that and that goes for others who think like you and make excuses because they didn't make the effort to go further or didn't come up with it first...so go ahead hide your lack of admitting you are wrong under excuses or abusing your authority on people who can write edits better than you..`
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and exactly what so-called FUNDAMENTAL ERRORS AM I DOING ? besides making an article better , with sources i might add..be specific...fundamental errors oh please..if you are referring to typos that's meaningless typos can easily be corrected or any other grammar error..that's the last thing to worry about and can be fixed by me or others later, i focus first and foremost on retrieving facts and filling out gaps..my grammar and spelling is the last thing on my mind this is an encyclopedia not hooked on phonics...grammar errors can be fixed in the end or later by other less experienced editors...i focus on retrieving facts and being thorough and specific as possible and i don't need to make up information, i usually can find it..its not very hard to find the info you need...i'm just more resourceful and dedicated than you that's all
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` :I understand what you're saying. No, I'm not advocating we neuter Wikipedia. I'm saying look at the article now, compared to how you want it to be. It is very neutral. We don't tell readers how to think, we don't tell readers what other people think. We present the facts without commentary and allow readers to make up their own mind. That is an amazing accomplishment considering the subject matter. As human editors, we certainly have a POV, yet we have not allowed it into the article until the Reactions section. (Once I allowed mine into the talk page and was crucified for it. It is similar to yours.) When the reader gets to the Reactions section, they finally read POVs on both sides. They read what other people think. As they read them, they decide, ``I agree with this reaction, I don't agree with this reaction.`` You do this too. But fortunately, until they read those reactions, they had none: The article had only been presenting neutral facts up until that time, and because that is all we had done, we had not told readers what other people think about the situation. We had not told them how to think. :Now we have a proposal to introduce reactions sooner in the article, into the lede. That is allowable under WP:LEAD and therefore, I must agree with it. I agree that it is better to have the lede be a microcosm of the entire article. In the article, we tell readers what other people think at nearly the end of the article. My suggestion is: let the lede tell readers what other people think at nearly the end of the lede. Like the body, it gives readers a chance to read the neutral facts first. Then they read what other people think, and decide which ones they agree and disagree with, after reading the neutral facts first. :It looks like I haven't even convinced you that what you wish to add has a POV in only one direction and is not a neutral fact, because you keep repeating how important it is (probably because you came up with it yourself). However I urge you to realize this reaction is POV, it is not neutral, and therefore, we're not making it the third sentence in the lede. We're making it one of the last sentences in the lede, and next to some other reactions, after the reader has had a chance to read a neutral introduction to the subject. :It's a good suggestion and it makes sense. I hope we hear from some other editors. `
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` :: This page would merit its own heading section in the Chernobyl disaster article, which would be somewhat lengthy and unreadable, so IMO it merits its own page as a ``see also``/main article outlink from that page. `
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== Uncited Radford Restoration section == I have removed the section on restoration at Radford, as it is completely uncited, and possibly gives more detail than would be included in any Reliable Source. I'm pasting it below in case someone wants to add sections back as references can be found.— ===Radford=== The canal from Withy Mills stop-point to Dunford Bridge had been levelled for about . and filled with water. Excavation started in September 2014 and was largely completed by the end of November 2014. Considerable work remains to be carried out on the embankments. The stop-point was discovered at the western end of this section. It offset to the northern side of the canal and the top courses of stonework were scheduled to be rebuilt. This stop-point has vertical side-grooves and a wood cill protected on either side by stone abutments in the canal floor. An unusual feature near the canal bottom on the southwest abutment is a recess carved in the wall, possibly to act as support for a lower hinge for a lifting or rotating of the footbridge. Withy Mills loading wharf was discovered largely intact on the northern embankment of this stretch of canal. Beginning about east of the stop-point and continuing eastward for 54 metres. Located due south of the of Withy Mills colliery and Batch and was built circa 1820. An old shed stands well back above the northern embankment. A stone culvert crosses under the canal about east of the stop-point. About under the bottom of the canal it carries permanent discharge water to the nearby river. It appears to be an old mineshaft drain. In line with this culvert is a circular stone well to the north of the canal . further east is a drainage pipe which has been laid after the canal was filled in. It carries a small amount of water during the winter months. A large iron basin is set into the ground above the northern embankment as a livestock drinking point. A mile-marker stone is located on the northern embankment east of Withy Mills stop-point together with another broken mile-marker stone. A further drainage pipe crosses the canal east of this stop-point, it is positioned about half a metre above the canal floor, (obviously laid after the canal was abandoned and filled in), and carries considerable continuous water to the nearby river. Two stop-point narrows were discovered in this canal section, the first is about east of the Withy Mills stop-point, and the second is further east. Both are in poor condition and are offset from the centre line to the northern side of the canal. These are now referred to as Dunford stop-points, the easternmost one has an groove for stop-boards whereas it is normal for them to be . It is unusual to find two canal stop-points so close together. Cattle drinking troughs had been installed on both sides of the canal embankment. further east, the northern embankment is cut away for this might have been a winding hole, but is not marked as such on the old maps of the area. Radford loading wharf begins another east of this point on the southern embankment and is in poor condition. It is long with a 15 degree angle bend at the middle. An embankment extends southwards to bridge abutments either side of the river. This bridge carried a tramway line from pits at Upper Radford. The wharf continues onward to Dunford bridge over which is the access driveway to Radford Mill Farm.
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` ok... that's fine you can take the U.S out of that part ,but if a device is released the following year or later it is considered its SUCCESSOR hence why someone would put !st or 2nd etc..because you't have 2 deices be called absolutely the same thing because they're not , they have different hardware , software and spec and its from the same maker and family model hence why its referenced as 1st gen etc etc...so how do you explain apple's devices? lol...the clealy release a new iphone every year and other hardware makers do so as well..the word generation means something or someone of the same family but with newer hardware released or born later..in hardware its usually a yearly thing..but if you prefer a model number which is more specific i'm willing to compromise that, the point is you can't name it the smae thing if its not the same exact product, you have to put something to tell them apart and i don't think its enough to just put a year the said model was released (xxxx), but ok fine, but i know others would disagree with you because what makes this device different from other devices that apple releases and has them in generation order its in the apple ios devices article in wiki itself and apple calls its products by generation and names, its a matter of being as specific as possible so users wont get confused and know exactly what something is, its extremely helpful to many, you might not think so but and many others do especially if a device maker calls its products of different models released in the future the same thing, then how can you tell them apart if you call for example all your phones samsung galaxy, but they don't, not usually but the best way to know is to put the model number..i mean i on't know your way of logic but you are contradicting the way a lot of articles i seen have been done here and yes i know you do things different, so do i, as far as i'm concerned most of the tech world and device makers refer to the products of their same family but released later as generations besides having different names and model names...but the thing for example..Amazon Fire TV, guess what what? you go to the website of it and its called the SAME THING, most people wouldn't know the 1 in the website is the newer ``2nd GEn`` model because there was the original or first gen model came out last year...i mean most of the tech world follow this trend..you have to put something to tell things apart from 1 another, whether its a name, model #, the generation it is etc ...that's why i put that because it is true, go look it up and read articles about it, when they compare that model to the 1 last year its referred as 1st and 2nd gen models by the industry at times to tell them apart , most don't know there was a previous model of the amazon fire tv, the average consumer isn't tech savvy, i am, i love technology and you have to be as specific as possible so readers know exactly what something is i mean yes i know amazon.com doesn't have their 2014 and 2015 amazon firetv microconsoles with 1 or 2 next to them to tell the apart.. and i did put parenthesis when i put 1st and 2nd gen on them) meaning that's not part of its name ...its put there so people know what is what..that's one of the purposes or parenthesis, it looks like you're being very picky and stalkish a bit, because i told you how i felt you are looking into every single edit i ever made to point out errors or disagreements ? lol..that's a little low and immature don't you think? the way i'm editing hasn't been an issue for the readers, i know the appreciate my efforts, probable better than some of the editors here, how many times you or your brethren going to be harassing me on this huh? what you are doing is called HARASSMENT and i would know, besides the fact i'm a LAW STUDENT and tech savvy but i'm not gonna get in a debate over nonsense...there's nothing wrong with my edits other than being more informative and most of all COMPLETE, i don't leave blank spaces and little info, i put 110% of everything i do especially in my edits...stop harassing me and sending me nonsense notes on little insignificant things...if i change a letter of a misspelling you guys going to make a big deal about that too? i try to follow the standards as best i could and as far as i'm concerned i'm doing absolutely nothing wrong and i'm well within my rights.. STOP HARASSING ME , you or your other acolytes (yes i said acolytes) with little nonsense, if i was doing something terribly wrong i would be getting complaints from readers or editors 24 /7...what you and your other associates are doing is called harassment, i'm not doing nothing wrong i just have a different more complete and thorough way of doing things so refrain from messaging me every 5 seconds of nonsense and stop stalking, its creepy and in some cases...ILLEGAL but alright i won't put U.S on it because well some products do get released in the same continent the same day but i put U.S just because i'm not sure if those devices were released on different dates in different regions but i know when those devices released in the U.S so i put that on there but usually things get released to at least a whole continent on the same day so feel free to change from (U.S) to (N.A) would that make you feel better now sir? smh...i'm serious..stop the harassment, i'm not doing nothing that's terrible its quite the contrary, so you like to have missing or half-done, poorly made edits, ok that's your cup of tea i'm not gonna change how you do things its up to you but we all have our own versions of articles we like because we believe its good now it makes more sense to feel proud of making a good article that's very detailed as oppose to having articles with missing facts or specificity but if you're proud of the way you 're doing things that's nice and all..for you but i know for a fact most readers like to know exactly and detail as possible what something is..lets work together without me getting harassed repeatedly as you can tell i'm trying to be nice here..its not worth getting into an argument for nonsense..its simple the solution extremely simple..you do your version , i do mine everybody wins, all it takes is going to said article's history, look up your version or others versions of an article click on it and read or edit it..simple as pie..i don't understand why make a big deal over this when everyone can (and actually they are) doing their own versions and a lot of the times its inspired by others and make their versions based on others versions..just you do your thing and i do mine is that so hard to comprehend hmm?..i doubt if i go to a talk page and tell other editors to edit on my behalf its not gonna feel right and they probably won't do it right either, sometimes you gotta do things yourself because you know how you want things to look, i'm not damaging any articles at all it is not ``DISRUPTIVE`` when i'm improving on them so some of you need to learn your analogies and definitions, we have editing differences and me and you aren't trying to purposely put wrong edits or fake info etc, we have the same cause but just different ways of doing it even though yours is very questionable because you don't follow through and fill in the blanks or put all the info of a said device or topic..either you go all the 100% or none at all is my motto..so please , i'm saying this nicely stop harassing and stalking, its downright annoying , creepy and to an extent you're violating my constitutional rights... `
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