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201 | daddit | >Everyone in Congress understands what Net Neutrality is; we've got to stop thinking these people are literally stupid. Sure, some may struggle on certain concepts, but I would imagine you don't get into the U.S. Senate without an understanding of core concepts of society. Making a *lot* of assumptions here. There is ... |
202 | daddit | I just shot soda out my nose. Congress people are so isolated from society they have NO FUCKING CLUE what core concepts of society even are. [They don't do their own shopping](http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02/05/us/bush-encounters-the-supermarket-amazed.html). [Lindsey Graham has never sent an email. Not one. Ever.]... |
203 | daddit | More like your friend saying "Fuck this." Bringing the milkshake home, and letting everyone drink it with their own straws. |
204 | daddit | Someone already commented that this analogy was on "There will be blood". However I don't buy it. Why would someone go on the Internet and lie !?! |
205 | daddit | If you ignore advertising, it's pretty accurate actually. Most web content is 'free'. The cost is paid for via advertising. |
206 | daddit | And we now have a presidency candidate. |
207 | daddit | [I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!](http://youtu.be/s_hFTR6qyEo?t=1m35s) |
208 | daddit | It's like that was the point of this post or something. |
209 | daddit | What... you mean there aren't thousands of kindergarten classes all over the country having discussions about such basic topics as net neutrality, abortion, gay rights, or Keystone XL? Here I thought every kid was concerned about these very important issues... |
210 | daddit | yeah this story is so full of shit |
211 | daddit | I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding within the general public of who pays for data transmission. For the majority of home users (mobile not included), you pay a fixed fee for unlimited data transfer at a particular rate of transfer. You pay more for faster throughput. This gives you access to the entire in... |
212 | daddit | You found the point where this 9yr olds metaphor breaks down. Congratulations. However, consider this: Netflix & Co. are already paying for bandwidth with their own "ISPs" (the people that run their server farms). So if you want to extend the milk shake analogy to reflect this properly it goes like this: You and the ... |
213 | daddit | >Problem is the consumer has a thing for thicker shakes and just wants thicker and thicker shakes. So the straw maker has to raise the price of the straw. The shake lover yells "foul", I should be able to have the thickest shake I want and not have to worry about how you make the straw." I think most consumers, if not... |
214 | daddit | The simplest solution would be to stop the government monopoly on straw sellers in a given area and let anyone sell straws. The FCC started this by stopping the laws that prevent cities from making broadband networks. Competition in straws, not price gouging by monopolies, is what will determine the real price for Int... |
215 | daddit | > Yet no one is willing to pay to keep that infrastructure in place. I'll just leave [this](http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html) here. Not only did we already pay to keep it in place, but we paid to improve it. This article is 8 years old, but at that time, we were all supposed to be a... |
216 | daddit | Except that there are way more straws than we could ever use, and the straw sellers are dragging their feet on making more/better available to maintain their stranglehold. Meanwhile in other countries people are living in a wide straw paradise. |
217 | daddit | The straw makers have already been given billions in tax advantages to make more straws. They just pocketed that money, though, and are now making the same claims you are. Or they magically find enough straws to let you drink as much milkshake as you want. As long as you get it from them and not the ice cream shop you... |
218 | daddit | Well ice cream store has increased their order of ice cream and have enough to meet the demand. The straw company would be able to meet the demand as well if they started making and selling the more efficient fiber straws the government gave them a lot of money to make. The straw company though realizes that they are... |
219 | daddit | They're selling straws at multiple times what they cost to make, and they received government money to invest in better and bigger straw technology. |
220 | daddit | Your analogy is messed up now. You are putting the burden on the ice cream store. Net Neutrality isn't about the ice cream store. It's about the straw seller. Without Net Neutrality, the straw guy can pinch your straw *only* when you drink a peanut butter chocolate chip milkshake if he wants to, then say "That pean... |
221 | daddit | Let market forces dictate the price of straws, without restricting their use. |
222 | daddit | DRAAAIIIIIIINAAAGE! |
223 | daddit | That'd be ridiculous. You'd have to have a bowling alley for the length of the straw. |
224 | daddit | Now that's an amaizing idea :D |
225 | daddit | I concur. Can we get OP's son's thoughts on other ELI5 topics? |
226 | daddit | The funny part is you think his son actually came up with this. |
227 | daddit | His 'son'. Also, that's quite some hyperbole you got there. |
228 | daddit | TIL that I am not smarter than a 9 year old. |
229 | daddit | Like, seriously. I've always said that in our time, with the internet at our fingertips (usually right in our pocket), the way teaching works is becoming extremely obsolete very quickly. The fact that his son had a question and knew well enough to "simply" google it means he's part of that next generation already; th... |
230 | daddit | The content providers, or websites. |
231 | daddit | Everyone who creates internet content that we, the consumer, accesses through our straw. |
232 | daddit | web services like youtube or netflix or amazon etc. |
233 | daddit | The person pinching the straw is Comcast, but the store is more Netflix. Comcast is restricting customers from enjoying Netflix because Netflix hasn't paid them. |
234 | daddit | netflix |
235 | daddit | Like TSA PreCheck lines! |
236 | daddit | Bingo |
237 | daddit | Ice cream stores are the websites. The guy selling you a straw is the ISP. |
238 | daddit | Well, how about they sell you overpriced skinny straws while the guy getting the house special gets the thick bubble tea straw? |
239 | daddit | The flaw in this argument is that it absolutely didn't fucking happen. |
240 | daddit | well, I mean he is 9 |
241 | daddit | Good thing that you backed this post up with citations rather than drifting off on a huge unfounded slippery slope argument. |
242 | daddit | [deleted] |
243 | daddit | no because that is fantasy. in this analogy the ISPs are the straw sellers, the FCC is regulating the ISPs not the milkshake people (i assume the website operators in this analogy) so they are free to make whatever flavour of milkshake they want, the cops are just regulating at most the size and shape of the straw and ... |
244 | daddit | I think the straw is the connection to the milkshake which is the internet. |
245 | daddit | If that something is _lying_... |
246 | daddit | I second this idea... |
247 | daddit | Well, that subreddit name is too long, but this one wasn't: /r/explainlikeimelected |
248 | daddit | Just so you know, apparently a lot of things congress don't understand are explained to them with analogy. There was a funny one a while ago misrepresenting how the internet and mobile networks actually work by using some school boy analogy about the postal service or something equally stupid. I hope other users can r... |
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250 | daddit | I can't afford that. |
251 | daddit | I dont think I can talk that dumb. |
252 | daddit | My milkshakes bring congress to the yard and theyre like all pinching my straws damn right, just pinching my staws I could stop them, but they want to charge. |
253 | daddit | But not all the straws all the time. They'd pinch the ones in the Netflix flavored shakes, and maybe the ones for flavors they just didn't like, and maybe if it's busy they'd pinch everyone's straws just a little bit for most flavors. But the shop's special? That one would always flow just fine. |
254 | daddit | I don't see how this is different. Opponents have been grasping at straws for years. |
255 | daddit | The "Straw Freedom Act of 2015" |
256 | daddit | Or they would start drinking your milkshake. |
257 | daddit | Or declaring him a terrorist. |
258 | daddit | they will start taxing thicker straws, instead. |
259 | daddit | I demand my right to having non pinched straws! |
260 | daddit | The internet is, after all, a series of straws. |
261 | daddit | The greatest trick Congress ever played was convincing the public they were simply ignorant jackasses. |
262 | daddit | They don't even have to play dumb, congress is pro consumer gouging, because that means more money (since when have politicians cared if poor people have money, they aren't getting campaign financing from poor people). |
263 | daddit | All of congress understands. |
264 | daddit | They're not playing dumb, they're playing which side of the issue is going to pay me more money to back their position. |
265 | daddit | It's not just that they're fine with it, they love it. Anything that involves sticking out your hand and saying "Pay me more money" is right up their alley. |
266 | daddit | There are actually good reasons to believe that applying Title II is in fact the wrong move. But, only in a universe wherein Congress is able to craft laws that serve the citizenry and are willing to do so in order to address a public need. Since we don't live in that magical universe and have a congress that activel... |
267 | daddit | As with everything else. |
268 | daddit | No, you are completely right, and it's something that has been going on since way back when we were simply a set of 13 British colonies. Even after the Revolution when the North gave up slavery (even though they didn't have that many slaves to begin with, relatively speaking), the South didn't and really COULDN'T beca... |
269 | daddit | Your first mistake is assuming they are all educated. |
270 | daddit | "Free milkshakes, what is this socialism? Thanks, Obama" |
271 | daddit | Why do you think they pretend climate change isn't happening, or that abstinence only sex education doesn't lead to more abortions? Because the party has become so tied to ideology, they constantly shoot themselves in the foot. They constantly trade off short term profit despite long term losses, *even in their own... |
272 | daddit | Well, they've done pretty well the last two elections. So, they think "stay the course." Younger voters have a low turn out and vote heavily Democratic anyway, so they really don't care because they aren't a target demographic for the GOP. |
273 | daddit | 2015 Shamrock Fun Run for Congress! |
274 | daddit | No! I like the analogy, but we already have enough people in congress with this age appropriate mentality! His father should run for congress for educating his child and being a responsible adult! |
275 | daddit | DRAINAGE!!! |
276 | daddit | Would you say... you're finished? |
277 | daddit | Damn it... That's the one thing we can't get around! He can lie about his age, but they have a damned soul detector that is highly accurate. It can tell if a turd has a little soul left. |
278 | daddit | A congress of 9 year old gingers then! |
279 | daddit | In that case, I move to have him appointed as the newest Advisor to Congress in accordance with Object Tweleve of the Evil Overlord List: >One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation. Sadly your son is not five years ... |
280 | daddit | I'm pretty sure most people in congress are deliberately incompetent. |
281 | daddit | "Isis is the bad guys who kidnap and kill people but they're on the other side of the world, so we're safe. And we have flying robots to kill them and they don't have any flying robots." "But what if they steal one of our flying robots and send it over here?" "..... DAAAAAAAAD?!" |
282 | daddit | Just yesterday, my 7 month old was discussing a public opinion poll on Ukrainian views about Crimea, relations with Russia, and U.S. aid to Ukraine. My wife says she was just colicky and spitting up on herself, but I know better. |
283 | daddit | [deleted] |
284 | daddit | Hey, thanks! I didn't know this when I made it but apparently it's very close to a Phish song (and a bib Dylan song) |
285 | daddit | Yeah, me too, but trying to figure out the timing. |
286 | daddit | I've got a seven year old daughter who's a lot like your nieces. Her two favorite things are watching StampyLongNose play Minecraft on YouTube and making stop motion videos with her Legos using a free iPad app. |
287 | daddit | My 8 year old cousin googled "Naykid gerls on motorcycles" in the middle of the living room. He's not smart. |
288 | daddit | In a way, we all want2believe. |
289 | daddit | When I was 8 year old nephew is learning to program and has already made some very basic video games. My 11 year old niece just built her first computer all by herself. Both of them know what net neutrality is. Kids deveolop at different rates and have a huge variety of interests. The story may be made up, but it could... |
290 | daddit | I believe it. I've got a 9 y/o little brother and he knows a lot more about current events than I imagine he would. I still remember lower school arguments during presidential election season. We were all talking out of our asses, basically, but we still were well aware of what was going on. This was soon after 9/11 th... |
291 | daddit | I remember being super opinionated about DRM and talking a lot about that when I was around 10. That was a thing that touched my life personally and we had all these tech magazines at home that I learned a lot from. I could definitely see net neutrality being a similarly important thing to someone of that age now. |
292 | daddit | My boss' 5yo understands the difference between fixed and variable costs, and can explain it using real examples. Boss is an economist and she and her husband talk about work in front of the kids. The kids ask questions about things they overhear, and mum and dad answer them. The concepts they pick up are pretty im... |
293 | daddit | My ten-year-old comes up with some amazingly insightful questions and comments sometimes, so yeah, let's not brush off kid's capabilities to take part in intelligent conversation. |
294 | daddit | I'm an optimist when it comes to these types of things. Kids are very unique and since there are millions of them, one of them is bound to say something profound. When I was a kid, I'd tell my friends about anything and everything that I had sort of learned about. Usually it was a whole bunch of pointless garbage, but ... |
295 | daddit | because i know nine and ten year olds and they aren't so stupid that this is impossible i know some that are, but i also know some that aren't. they also know bullshit pretty well: they deal with the same stuff from everyone around them (from their point of view) all of the time. if anything they all find it funny tha... |
296 | daddit | I just think most people don't care... |
297 | daddit | He might have said it but he's just regurgitating what OP told him with an analogy. I really doubt he informed himself about it. |
298 | daddit | First thing I thought. |
299 | daddit | It always puzzles me that people think the solution to corrupt politicians is just new politicians. |
300 | daddit | It's hard to refute monopoly status when Comcast, Warner, etc have exclusivity deals for CATV service in most counties/cities. Are Verizon FiOS and Google Fiber even close to enough of a threat to alter their behavior? Anyway, to me, breaking the government commissioned monopolies and enforcing antitrust laws should ... |
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