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I think the passage you're looking for is the following.
Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the
prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
Matthew 5:18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away,
not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
Matthew 5:19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments
and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he
who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of
heaven.
Matthew 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of
the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
There are several problems with this. The most serious is that the
Law was regarded by Jews at the time (and now) as binding on Jews, but
not on Gentiles. There are rules that were binding on all human
beings (the so-called Noachic laws), but they are quite minimal. The
issue that the Church had to face after Jesus' death was what to do
about Gentiles who wanted to follow Christ. The decision not to
impose the Law on them didn't say that the Law was abolished. It
simply acknowledged that fact that it didn't apply to Gentiles. This
is a simple answer, which I think just about everyone can agree to.
(A discussion of the issue in more or less these terms is recorded
in Acts 15.)
However there's more involved. In order to get a full picture of the
role of the Law, we have to come to grips with Paul's apparent
rejection of the Law, and how that relates to Jesus' commendation of
the Law. At least as I read Paul, he says that the Law serves a
purpose that has been in a certain sense superceded. Again, this
issue isn't one of the abolition of the Law. In the middle of his
discussion, Paul notes that he might be understood this way, and
assures us that that's not what he intends to say. Rather, he sees
the Law as primarily being present to convict people of their
sinfulness. But ultimately it's an impossible standard, and one that
has been superceded by Christ. Paul's comments are not the world's
clearest here, and not everyone agrees with my reading. But the
interesting thing to notice is that even this radical position does
not entail an abolition of the Law. It still remains as an
uncompromising standard, from which not an iota or dot may be removed.
For its purpose of convicting of sin, it's important that it not be
relaxed. However for Christians, it's not the end -- ultimately we
live in faith, not Law.
While the theoretical categories they use are rather different, in the
end I think Jesus and Paul come to a rather similar conclusion. The
quoted passage from Mat 5 should be taken in the context of the rest
of the Sermon on the Mount, where Jesus shows us how he interprets the
Law. The "not an iota or dot" would suggest a rather literal reading,
but in fact that's not Jesus' approach. Jesus' interpretations
emphasize the intent of the Law, and stay away from the ceremonial
details. Indeed he is well known for taking a rather free attitude
towards the Sabbath and kosher laws. Some scholars claim that Mat
5:17-20 needs to be taken in the context of 1st Cent. Jewish
discussions. Jesus accuses his opponents of caring about giving a
tenth of even the most minor herbs, but neglecting the things that
really matter: justice, mercy and faith, and caring about how cups and
plates are cleaned, but not about the fact that inside the people who
use them are full of extortion and rapacity. (Mat 23:23-25) This, and
the discussion later in Mat 5, suggest that Jesus has a very specific
view of the Law in mind, and that when he talks about maintaining the
Law in its full strength, he is thinking of these aspects of it.
Paul's conclusion is similar. While he talks about the Law being
superceded, all of the specific examples he gives involve the
"ceremonial law", such as circumcision and the Sabbath. He is quite
concerned about maintaining moral standards.
The net result of this is that when Paul talks about the Law being
superceded, and Jesus talks about the Law being maintained, I believe
they are talking about different aspects of the Law. Paul is
embroiled in arguments about circumcision. As is natural in letters
responding to specific situations, he's looking at the aspect of the
Law that is currently causing trouble: the Law as specifically Jewish
ceremonies. He certainly does not intend to abolish divine standards
of conduct. On the other hand, when Jesus commends the Law, he seems
to be talking the Law in its broadest implications for morals and
human relationships, and deemphasizing those aspects that were later
to give Paul so much trouble.
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Sutcliffe gives up 3 HRs (Gonzales 1, Palmer 2) and Mills gives up
1 HR (Gonzales) to lose 7-4. Sutcliffe
Texas 7 10 0 Lefferts 1-0
Baltimore 4 9 0 Sutcliffe 0-1
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# 74S Later modification of 74 for even higher speed, at some cost in
# power consumption. Effectively obsolete; use 74F.
#
# 74LS Combination of 74L and 74S, for speed comparable to 74 with lower
# power consumption. Best all-round TTL now, widest variety of
# devices.
#
# 74F Fast as blazes, power not too bad. The clear choice for high
# speed in TTL. Availability and prices generally good.
I hate to disagree w/ a fellow as smart as Henry, but...
A few years back, I worked on a project using lots of high-speed
stuff. (My part was slow & parallel, whew.) The mild-mannered designer
working on the fast (serial) stuff cussed & swore at 74F all the time.
It was the Harry Reams of TTL. One ultra-tiny power line glitch, one
hickup, one eyeblink across the board, and bang - the F had
toggled/counted/whatevered. At times he swore it would count even
without any 5 volt supply ;-} You can guess what the "F" stood for....
They would do anything to push S or work around it to avoid using F. I
don't think I'd consider using F to replace S unless the consequences
were *fully* understood.......
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Ah, not in the USA. Thats a relief, thought 'reality' must be slipping for a
second. :-)
St Noam was on the radio tonight, he has just published a new book "501 years".
Published by South End i guess. Could some bostonian confirm please?
I would love to hear what he thinks of the Clipper scam.
~Paul
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I have one of those HEAVY antique upright pianos I would like to
contribute to any charity with muscle enough to get it out of my house.
If I get no response from a charity I will sell to for $100, you haul.
It is in good shape, needs tuning. I'm in south Durham county.
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Hi all,
I'm trying to get mailing addresses for the following
companies. Specifically, I need addresses for their personnel
offices or like bureau. The companies are:
- AMROC
- Orbital Sciences Corp. (sp?)
- Spacehab, Inc. (I know this one is somewhere in
Seattle, WA, or at least part of it is.)
- Space Industries, Inc. (Somewhere in Houston)
- Space Enterprises Inc.
If anybody could point me in the right direction on this, I
would be most appreciative. I prefer an email response, but I
will post a summary if sufficient interest exists.
Thanks,
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Included in thas sale is a Cover . THe cover is not sold separately.
The trailer is not being sold.
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Please reply via e-mail since this is job related:
I have a Colorado Jumbo back-up system at one of my places of
employment and it has eaten two tapes by winding the tape off the spool.
Is there an easy fix or is the tape drive fried? Does it simply need
cleaning?
Any and all comments will be appreciated!
Stephen Husak
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AS the subject says... looking for a HP 48s or perferiably HP 48sx
Please E-mail replies.
Thanks
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Hello All,
I have a PC Transporter for sale. It will work with either an Apple IIe or a
GS. However, I only have the GS installation kit. This PCT also has a
co-processor installed. It comes with the latest software (2.05) and a 3.5
drive. So what you get is :
PC Transporter (no problems runs great)
Installation kit for above PCT (GS) with video tape instructions
All needed harware with color adapter for monitor
8087 co processor installed on board
All manuals and software (ver 2.05 AEPC)
one 3.5 800K drive to hook to the PCT (or GS)
Brian Laakso
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[deletions]
Sounds like it is an SMD interface to me, not being at work now
to actually count pins. there are two varients, SMD and
SMDC (I think), only minor differences between them. Widely used
prior to the advent of SCSI for large drives (or all drives) on minis
(and mainframes(?) no experience on those).
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Actually, I've been following her remarks for some time, with
interest. I'm also a member of academia, and her remarks have nothing
but elevate her respectability in my eyes. It remains to be seen whether
you are the radical fringe, or I.
It is generally an error to assume that your beliefs are held by
the majority, or even a sizable minority. Especially when you're seeing
tens, nay dozens, of people on usenet agreeing with you.
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It is MUCH easier, faster, and probably even more secure to use Norton
Utilties 6.0 (I'm talking IBM PC here) and to tell WipeInfo to (a)
clean the free disk space and (b) clean the slack space at the end of
the files. Use to Government standard option for more careful
overwriting...
Regards,
Vesselin
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: Help!! I need code/package/whatever to take 3-D data and turn it into
: a wireframe surface with hidden lines removed. I'm using a DOS machine, and
: the code can be in ANSI C or C++, ANSI Fortran or Basic. The data I'm using
: forms a rectangular grid.
: Please post your replies to the net so that others may benefit. IMHO, this
: is a general interest question.
: Thank you!!!!!!
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I just won an IBM Wheelwriter 6 typewriter in a raffle here on campus.
Since I have a nice computer, and really need the cash, I'm putting it up
for sale. I have an offer from a local reseller for $250. Best offer
above that plus shipping.
...brian
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Hi Everyone,
I would like to get an example program(source code) to get started with a simple
editor (similar to windows dialog editor, but lot simplified) . Can someone
point me to a source such as a programming windows book, or example program
comes with Windows SDK (from Microsoft or Borland). I would greatly appreciate
it.
All I want to do is to be able to place a edit control or combobox or a listbox
on a window and be able to drag and resize.
If anyone has written similar program and don't mind sharing code or ideas,
I would appreciate it very much.
Thnx in advance, Manu Das
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I agree with you about the upgrade path; but I think I was fair.
The original posting complained (1) about SGI coming out with newer (and
better) architectures and not having an upgrade path from the older ones,
and (2) that DEC did.
On statement (1), I merely attempted to point out that all computer
companies are constantly attempting to improve their product (& market
position/share). In so doing, they eventually come to a point where they
have a new architecture, and the only upgrade path is to replace the
system. And the particular system he was complaining about was (in
computer lifetimes) relatively old.
On statement (2), I felt DEC's history of providing upgrades was not far
superior than the industry "average", and that, in my opinion, SGI's
history is better than DEC's.
(And what is DEC doing with it's MIPS based DECstation line? Are they
going to "abandon" it for their Alpha based line, or provide an upgrade
path to R4400's and TFP's and R5's?)
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I'm looking for a PC that is small and doesn't break apart if you drop
it on the groud.
It doesn't have to have graphics, text only will do
just fine. It doesn't have to be fast either, 8086 will do, I hope.
But you must stand a pretty hard enviroment without breaking apart,
jumnping on it or trying to use it outdoor while it is raining and so
forth. I need 640Kb of memory and a convinient way of loading
applications into it that I wrote myself (floppy or somekind of
writeable cartridge?).
Is there a PC like that?? And where can I get more info?
I know of the Atari portfolio but it can't stand the rain....
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I have a set of four 235-60-R14 Big O tires that I had on my 1988 Thunder
Bird. We bought them and then traided the car in. They would not give me
anything for them so I had them taken off. We drove about 2,000 miles on
them. They are 40,000 mile tires. They are sporty looking low-profile, and
take corners realy well. If you are interested please contact me at (208)384-
9236 OR DUSMADSO@IDBSU.IDBSU.EDU I am in IDAHO. USA
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My family doctor and the physiotherapist (PT) she sent me to agree that the
pain in my left shoulder is bursitis. I have an appointment with an orthpod
(I love that, it's short for 'orthopedic surgeon, apparently) but while I'm
waiting the PT is treating me.
She's using hot packs, ultrasound, and lasers, but there's no improvement
yet. In fact, I almost suspect it's getting worse.
My real question is about the laser treatment. I can't easily imagine what
the physical effect that could have on a deep tissue problem. Can anyone
shed some light (so to speak) on the matter?
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I have posted the logos of the NL East teams to alt.binaries.pictures.misc
Hopefully, I'll finish the series up next week with the NL West.
Darren
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Misc. P2/2 Stuff!
CARDS: (Micro Channel)
(6) Arcnet, Coax, 83X9648. Net Cards.
(3) Serial Adapter. P/N: 90X8459
(2) Parallel Adapters. P/N: 72X6753
(2) CoProcessor?? P/N: 83X7488
(2) Memory Expansion Option. P/N: 90X9507
Expanded Memory Adapter w/2Mb. P/N: 61X6752
Expanded memory Adapter, 0k, P/N: 90X8799
Alloy FTC500/MCA Tape adapter.
DRIVES: (Hard & Floppy)
30 Mb HDD, P/N: 90X9403 Model WD-336R
60 Mb HDD, P/N: 6128282, Model WD-387T
1.44 FDD, P/N: 15F7503, EC #A79541
1.44 FDD, P/N: 15F7503, EC #88086
This is what I have aquired over the past few years in PS/2
components...
I have posted the part #'s, so if you have any questions as to what a
component is, you can call IBM and find out! (I have no idea!!!)
Make me an offer! Trades welcome!
Dan Scherer
(206) 453-5215 Voice
(206) 996-8350 Pager
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On Sat, 17 Apr 1993 20:42:58 GMT, Greg Hennessy observed:
: #Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced ....
: Ah, ending discrimination is now fascism.
Is that what they called it when Truman forced integration of the
armed forces, despite the opposition of Congress and most of the
American public at that time?
--
Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) Enterprise, Alabama
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I had a GE Emerson 13" color TV for about 3 years and one fine day,
while we were watching something (I doubt if the program was the cause),
we heard a mild explosion. Our screen went blank but there was sound,
so we thought, 'oh we have special effects on the program'. But soon
the sound stopped and smoke started to appear at the back of the TV.
The brilliant EEs we are, we unplugged the TV and called customer service
only to be thrown around by please hold, I will transfer u to blah blah..
Finally we abandoned the idea of trying to fix the TV and got a new one
(we wanted a bigger one too!).
After all the story, what I wanted to know is: Is my problem an isolated
incident or a common one? (I recall reading about Russian TVs exploding, but
not here, in the US). Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke?
I still have the left over TV set, I might dig into it this summer. Any
idea where I can get parts for these things? (probably will cost more than TV).
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#
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# Is there an Xt call to give me my application context?
# I am fixing up an X/Motif program, and am trying to use XtAppAddTimeOut,
# whose first argument is the app_context. What call can I use
# to give me this value?
#
Use XtDisplayToApplicationContext() to retreive the application context.
Patrick L. Mahan
--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM ---------
Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long
a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of
Lazarus Long
Patrick L. Mahan
--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM ---------
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This is a piece of psychology its essential for any long term biker to
understand. People do NOT think 'if I do this will someone else suffer?'.
They assess things purely on' if I do this will I suffer?.
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30mg per day of propranolol is a homeopathic dose in migraine.
If you got fatigued at that level, it is unlikely that you will
tolerate enough beta blocker to help you.
Probably a single nightime dose. We don't know how they work in migraine, but
it probably has something to do with seratonin.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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OK: So you were a naive teen.
Wrong: 1915 and if you do your homework, 1909.
But he was born LAST century (1883).
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I know people hate it when someone says somethings like "there was an article
about that somewhere a while ago" but I'm going to say it anyway. I read an
article on this subject, almost certainly in Space News, and something like
six months ago. If anyone is really interested in the subject I can probably
hunt it down given enough motivation.
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It's not a bad question: I don't have any refs that list this algorithm
either. But thinking about it a bit, it shouldn't be too hard.
1) Take three of the points and find the plane they define as well as
the circle that they lie on (you say you have this algorithm already)
2) Find the center of this circle. The line passing through this center
perpendicular to the plane of the three points passes through the center of
the sphere.
3) Repeat with the unused point and two of the original points. This
gives you two different lines that both pass through the sphere's
origin. Their interection is the center of the sphere.
4) the radius is easy to compute, it's just the distance from the center to
any of the original points.
I'll leave the math to you, but this is a workable algorithm. :-)
An alternate method would be to take pairs of points: the plane formed
by the perpendicular bisector of each line segment pair also contains the
center of the sphere. Three pairs will form three planes, intersecting
at a point. This might be easier to implement.
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Perhaps a nice used '88 Pontiac Fiero GT? 2.8 liters.
Does anyone know if the motor mounts for the 2.8 and the twin-dual-cam 3.4
liter match? The 3.4 is supposedly derived from the pushrod 3.1, which was
a punched out 2.8 liter. Should be a drop-in replacement, eh? 205 horses in
a mid-engine the size of a Fiero?
Larry Smith (smith@ctron.com) No, I don't speak for Cabletron. Need you ask?
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Not true. Dial 811 and listen to the recording. If you get it, then your
phone was recognized by the network. You wouldn't be able to dial a real
number yet (of course!)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Mark Bramwell, VE3PZR Located in sunny London, Ontario
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I have been following this thread and figured I'd throw in my two cents...
The Amiga Zorro II bus is comparable with the ISA bus (7.16 vs 8.33 MHZ).
The Amiga has had a pre-emptative multi-tasking OS since '85 and can
operate with 1 MB RAM! SCSI is used almost exclusively on these systems.
A SCSI controller that transfers data by DMA allows the cpu to request data
from the hard drive and continue working while the controller gets the data
and moves it to memory. A controller that allows reselection can operate
even better with multiple devices. This is espically true with SCSI tape
units. For example, when rewinding or formatting a tape, the command is
issued to the controller and the bus is released to allow access to other
devices on the bus. This greatly increases productivity or, at least, do
something else while backing up your hard drive :-). Which happens to be
what I am doing while reading this group.
Its a long story, but I still use IDE on my 486 except for the CDROM which,
thanks to SCSI, I can move between both machines. If, and when, SCSI is
better standardized and supported on the ibm-clone machines, I plan to
completely get rid of IDE.
--
Wayne Summer // AMIGA - Simply the Best.
Palm Bay, FL. US \X/ wayne@amtower.spacecoast.org
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First of all, I'm not your buddy! Second, read what I wrote. I'm not
talking about what muslims are ALLOWED to do, merely what *SOME*
practice. They consider themselves as muslim as you, so don't retort
with the old and tired "they MUST NOT BE TRUE MUSLIMS" bullshit. If I
gave you the names what will you do with this information? Is a fatwa
going to be leashed out against the perpetrators? Do you honestly think
that someone who did it would voluntarily come forward and confess?
With the kind of extremism shown by your co-religionaries? Fat chance.
At any rate, there can be no conclusive "proof" by the very nature of
the act. Perhaps people that indulge in this practice agree with you in
theory, but hope that Allah will forgive them in the end.
I think it's rather arrogant of you to pretend to speak for all muslims
in this regard. Also, kind of silly. Are you insinuating that because
the Koranic law forbids it, there are no criminals in muslim countries?
This is as far as I care to go on this subject. The weakness of your
arguments are for all netters to see. Over and out...
--
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But remember that had God extinguished the blasphemous trash of Europe (and
Imperialism with it), the United States would not exist today to put an end
to those "games"....begs the question, which came first, the chicken or the
egg???
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Glad to see Griffin is spending his time on engineering rather than on
ritual purification of the language. Pity he got stuck with the turkey
rather than one of the sensible options.
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Didn't you hear? His address has changed. He can be reached at the
following address:
dkoresh@branch.davidian.compound.waco.tx.us
I think he was last seen posting to alt.messianic.
Jim
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Hi there,
We are running a 120 node Token ring with Windows 3.1 and Novell 3.11.
Every once in a while, we run into "The Black Screen of Death", a phrase
coined by Robert X. Cringely in a recent InfoWorld column.
Basically, sometimes when you quit Windows, the screen goes black and
you get a nice little flashing cursor in the top left corner of your
screen. Also, sometimes when you exit to DOS, the same effect occurs.
Cringely hints that Microsoft and/or Novell has a patch for Windows'
virtual interrupt controller that may solve this. Neither company
seems to know what I am talking about when I call them.
Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon?
Is there a fix for it?
Any response is welcome.
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I am looking for current sources for lists of all the home
medical tests currently legally available.
I believe this trend of allowing tests at home where
feasible, decreased medical costs by a factor of 10 or
more and allows the patient some time and privacy to
consider the best action from the results of such tests.
In fact I believe home medical tests and certain basic
tests for serious diseases such as cancer, heart disease,
should be offered free to the American public.
This could actually help to reduce national medical costs
since many would have an earlier opportunity to know
about and work toward recuperation or cure.
Mike Romano
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:Because of some contract, IBM is not allowed to sell its
:486 chips to third parties, so these chips are unlikely to become
:available in any non-IBM machines.
I saw in this months PC or PC World an ad for computers using IBM's 486SLC.
So I don't think IBM is restricted in selling their chips, at least not
anymore. A clock-tripled 486, even without coprocessor would be great,
especially with 16k on-board cache. Make it 386 pin-compatible, and you
have the chip upgrade that dreams are made of :-)
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I am one of those middle-of-the-road GW2000 owners who is satisfied with
my system. I had my share of problems/corrections/phone conversations/etc. I'm
satisfied on what I got for my money.
Stephen R. Husak
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: >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded,
: >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other
: >team captain trivia would be appreciated.
;
: Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to
: Pittsburgh?
And Rick Tochett was the captain of the Flyers when traded to the Pens
recently...
Caleb
And let us not forget that the New Jersey Devils traded
captain Kirk Muller for Stephen Richer and Chorske
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This is the official Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of two
new newsgroups for Microsoft Windows NT. This is a second RFD, replacing
the one originally posted in January '93 (and never taken to a vote). The
proposed groups are described below:
NAME: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup
STATUS: Unmoderated.
PURPOSE: Discussions about setting up and installing Windows NT, and about
system and peripheral compatability issues for Windows NT.
NAME: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc
STATUS: Unmoderated.
PURPOSE: Miscellaneous non-programming discussions about using Windows NT,
including issues such as security, networking features, console
mode and Windows 3.1 (Win16) compatability.
RATIONALE:
Microsoft NT is the newest member of the Microsoft Windows family
of operating systems (or operating environments for those who wish
to argue about the meaning of an "OS"). The family ranges from
Modular Windows through Windows 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups to
Windows NT at the high end. To date, Microsoft has shipped over
50,000 beta copies and pre-release SDKs of Windows NT -- the
actual release is slated for May/June '93.
While Windows NT has an entirely new design internally, it shares
an application programming interface with the other members of the
Windows family; its Win32 API includes the Win16 API used in Win-
dows 3.1, and the Win32s API subset (Win32 less threads, networking
and security) can be used to create 32-bit applications for
Windows 3.1.
The user interface is also practically identical to that of Windows
3.1, with the addition of logins and a few other features. It uses
Program Manager, File Manager and other applets, and generally pre-
sents an identical appearance to the user. Many of the announced
Windows NT applications are ports of existing Windows 3.1 apps, and
NT also runs existing 3.1 applications.
Thus, it appears logical that Windows NT should share the following
groups with the other members of the Windows family:
comp.os.ms-windows.apps
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc
comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32
The following groups are also clearly applicable to Windows NT as
well as Windows 3.1:
comp.os.ms-windows.announce
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
In conclusion, the only clear argument for the separation of the
Windows 3.1 and Windows NT hierarchies is different internal
structures of Windows 3.1 and Windows NT. And yet operating
systems such as OS/2, Macintosh OS, Xenix and Coherent all have
undergone major rewrites without having been split into separate
newsgroup hierarchies.
Further, Windows 3.1 is due for a major rewrite itself in 1994 --
when the fully 32-bit, protected-mode and with-DOS-built-in next-
generation Windows, "Chicago", debuts next year, surely it should
remain in the same hierarchy. And what, then, would be the jus-
tification for separating Windows NT from other Windows versions?
DISCUSSION PERIOD:
The discussion period will run from 27 April, 1992 to 18 May, 1993.
VOTING:
The CFV (Call for Votes) will be issued around 19 May, 1993, based on
the feedback received during the discussion period. No votes will
be accepted prior to the CFV.
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}Honda: a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.
So how about my Honda Hawk (NT 650)? It's a twin, but not called a VT.
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I have been experiencing several end-user problems with various commercial
software packages (WordPerfect 5.2/WIN, Publish It!/WIN 3.1) and printing
landscape mode on a Citizen PN48 (the little guy) or the Citizen GSX-140+.
In a nutshell the problem is that I lose the first 0.625 inches of
information from my left margin, be it white space or TrueType font
output, and margins are not preserved on subsequent pages past the
first.
WordPerfect had a workaround consisting of using the "Default" location
for the printers instead of "Tractor" or "Manual". They have also filed
this as a bug and are continuing to investigate it.
MS Write, of course, has no problem with these printer drivers, proving that
Microsoft knows something the rest of us don't! Are you surprised? I'm
not.
Publish It!/WIN is still investigating this problem, and while I was consider-
my options (rejecting the one about buying an $800 DTP package, for *surely*
they wouldn't have this problem, right?) I stumbled onto a global workaround.
WORKAROUND
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Go into the Windows 3.1 control panel, select printers, select your Citizen
printer driver, select SETUP, and select a custom size of 850 x 1132. Like
magic, all of your problems will go away.
Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies!
-- Mike
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Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.
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I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing heresy. I assumed that heresy
meant a departure from orthodoxy, in which case generally accepted belief is
indeed an important issue. In this case, the definition of the word "create"
is of great importance, since creation is the issue being discussed.
I should have said "given the Mormon belief." If you disagree with the
Mormon belief that creation is more a function of organization of eternally
existent substance than one of ex nihilo creation, then that is the important
point.
Correction: you interpret the Bible to mean something very specific by
such terms.
It always cracks me up when anti-Mormons presume to tell Mormons what they
believe. Mormons do, in fact, believe that all people, including Christ and
Lucifer, are children of God in the sense that we were all created (or
organized or whatever) by Him. We also believe that being "offspring" of
God has a symbolic sense when applied to being spiritually "born again" of
Him. Thus the same word can be used to convey different meanings. This is
how language works, Robert, and it's why making someone an offender for a
word is dangerous.
<...>
On the contrary, Robert, it is not a red herring at all to show that those
who rely wholly on the Bible cannot seem to agree on what it says. You say
that one must simply "look at the Bible" to see what it teaches, but centuries
of people doing just that have sho0wn that no one is really sure what it says.
Are we to believe that you are the only one who really understands the
scriptures?
Let me clarify this one more time. You did not refer to the Mormon belief
that Jesus needed to be saved, but rather to McConkie's belief in same. We
keep trying to point out to you that Bruce McConkie is not the source of
Mormon doctrine, and you keep ignoring it. (see below)
On the contrary, Robert, if you are quoting McConkie's words as Mormon
canon then the question of whether they are canon or not is of *great*
importance. The fact is that they are not. Whether or not they indicate
general Mormon belief would only be ascertainable by interviewing a large
number of Mormons.
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Step 1) Join the AMA (American Motorcycling Association). Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN.
Step 2) After you become a member, they will ship your bike, UNCRATED to
just about anywhere across the fruited plain for a few hundred bucks.
I have used this service and have been continually pleased. They usually
only take a few days for the whole thing, and you do not have to prepare
the bike in any way (other than draining the gas). Not to mention that
it is about 25% of the normal shipping costs (by the time you crate a bike
and ship it with another company, you can pay around $1000)
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: The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given
: the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12" high) and
: was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest.
: Any one have any experiences on such experimentation?
Put the pack on the pillion and bungee it to the backrest.
If that is not possible then you should be able to bungee it behind the
backrest, just make sure it doesn't bend or break anything like the rear
fender or turnsignals.
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writes a "Who woulda thunk it" article which is really the same piece
every time. "Who would have thought that [Buddy Biancalana] would have
more home runs than [the Colorado Rockies, Babe Ruth, Omar Vizquel and
Nolan Ryan] COMBINED!" He's an idiot, if it's the same guy.
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I guarantee that if Bonds wins the MVP the Giants will finish higher
than 6th.
luigi
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H E L P !
I have a problem in which I'm getting increasing frustrated every day...
Some background about my PC:
- American Megatrend BIOS (clone 386 SX) with 32M of RAM
- config.sys file:
device=c:\dos\himem.sys
dos=high,umb
device=c:\windows\emm386.exe noems
files=30
buffers=30
stack=9,256
- autoexec.bat file is using smartdrv.exe +c
- CMOS set up is running 0 wait state on read and write cache ram.
The problem: APPLICATION ERROR from WIN31
I started off with a newly installed WIN31 and then installed EXCEL.
Run excel, no problem. A permanent swap file of size 18K was in place
for windows.
Ok, I then proceed to install Norton Desktop
for Windows version 2.0. No problem with the installation. I also
allow NDW to alter my autoexec.bat(with the nav running on c:).
The problem came when I try to (bring up excel or if excel is running
and right in the middle of it - like click a selection with the mouse)
from the desktop.
First of all, I always get the application error screen followed by
another application error screen with various different messages. The
following are some of them:
- Stack fault, by TC1024.DRV at address 0001:XXXX where XXXX is some
number. (TC1024.DRV is the VGA driver provided by the manufacture)
- General protection fault, by ndw.exe at the same address
- Segment load failure, by ndw.exe at same address
Some how, the address flagged was always 0001:something. What is address
0001:XXXX means?
I have absolutely on idea what this mean. I tried commented out the
TSR programs from autoexec.bat, no help.
Is it something to do with the emm386 setup which is not telling
WIN31 what it suppose to know. Looks like the application is crossing
memory boundary when it is being loaded or while it is running.
Please reply if you have any idea or suggestion. I'm willing to try
anything.
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Gifts of the Spirit should not be seen as an endorsement of ones behavior.
A lot of people have suffered because of similar beliefs. Jesus said
that people would come to Him saying "Lord, Lord," and proclaiming
the miraculous works they had done in His name. Jesus would tell
them that they were workers of iniquity that do not know Him, and to
depart from Him.
That is not to say that this will happen to everyone who commits a homosexual
sin. If the Holy Spirit were only given to the morally perfect, He would
not be given to me, or any of us. God can forgive any sin, if we repent.
But people should be careful not to think, "God has given me a gift of
the Spirit, it must be okay to be gay." That is dangerous (see also hebrews
6 about those who have partaken of the Holy Spirit and of the powers of
the world to come.)
Jesus doesn't ask us to change our own nature. We cannot lift ourselves
out of our own sin- but we must submit to His hand as He changes our
nature. Practicing homosexual acts and homosexual lusts violates the
morality that God has set forth.
If you don't believe that, and think those of us who do are just ignorant,
then at least consider us weak in the faith and be celebate for our sake's.
Is practicing homosexuality worth the cost of a soul, whether it be the
homosexual's or the one considered "ignorant?"
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For the record, it wasn't until I came to college (excluding
the times I went to Omaha or Council Bluffs for something) that I
ever removed the keys from the ignition of my car! Come to think of
it, it was only after I moved to Ames, Ia (pop 45K) that I ever took
to locking my doors at night.
I've discovered that $50K/year isn't worth living in fear
all day. I might just move back to the farm.
This weekend is Veishea. You know, when ISU students riot
for no apparent reason. This year, we've the Farm Aid concert
to add to the festivities. Anybody bet me there's another riot?
Remember, Iowa law has three guys talking loud defined as a riot.
Stay tuned for an on-the-scene report this weekend.
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[why do babies get diseases, etc.]
Here's the (main) problem. The scenario you outline is reasonably
consistent, but all the evidence that I am familiar with not only does
not support it, but indicates something far different. The Earth, by
latest estimates, is about 4.6 billion years old, and has had life for
about 3.5 billion of those years. Humans have only been around for (at
most) about 200,000 years. But, the fossil evidence inidcates that life
has been changing and evolving, and, in fact, disease-ridden, long before
there were people. (Yes, there are fossils that show signs of disease...
mostly bone disorders, of course, but there are some.) Heck, not just
fossil evidence, but what we've been able to glean from genetic study shows
that disease has been around for a long, long time. If human sin was what
brought about disease (at least, indirectly, though necessarily) then
how could it exist before humans?
[deletions]
Uh... I know of many evolutionary biologists, who know more about
biology than you claim to, who will strongly disagree with this. There
is no evidence that the human genetic code (or any other) 'started off'
in perfect condition. It seems to adapt to its envionment, in a
collective sense. I'm really curious as to what you mean by 'the
degeneration of the genetic code'.
Umm. Nah, we seem to do a pretty good job of adapting to viruses and
bacteria, and they to us. Only a very small percentage of microlife is
harmful to humans... and that small percentage seems to be reasonalby
constant in size, but the ranks keep changing. For example, bubonic
plague used to be a really nasty disease, I'm sure you'll agree. But
it still pops up from time to time, even today... and doesn't do as
much damage. Part of that is because of better sanitation, but even
when people get the disease, the symptoms tend to be less severe than in
the past. This seems to be partly because people who were very susceptible
died off long ago, and because the really nasty variants 'overgrazed',
(forgive the poor terminology, I'm an engineer, not a doctor! :-> ) and
died off for lack of nearby hosts.
I could be wrong on this, but from what I gather acne is only a few
hundred years old, and used to be nastier, though no killer. It seems to
be getting less nasty w/age...
Now, wait a minute. I have a question. Humans were created perfect, right?
And, you admit that we have an inbuilt abiliy to fight off disease. It
seems unlikely that Satan, who's making the diseases, would also gift
humans with the means to fight them off. Simpler to make the diseases less
lethal, if he wants survivors. As far as I can see, our immune systems,
imperfect though they may (presently?) be, must have been built into us
by God. I want to be clear on this: are you saying that God was planning
ahead for the time when Satan would be in charge by building an immune
system that was not, at the time of design, necessary? That is, God made
our immune systems ahead of time, knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and
their descendents would need to fight off diseases?
Here's another puzzle. What, exactly, do you mean by 'perfect' in the
phrase, 'created... perfect and without flaw'? To my mind, a 'perfect'
system would be incapable of degrading over time. A 'perfect' system
that will, without constant intervention, become imperfect is *not* a
perfect system. At least, IMHO.
Or is it that God did something like writing a masterpiece novel on a
bunch of gum wrappers held together with Elmer's glue? That is, the
original genetic 'instructions' were perfect, but were 'written' in
inferior materials that had to be carefully tended or would fall apart?
If so, why could God not have used better materials?
Was God *incapable* of creating a system that could maintain itself,
of did It just choose not to?
[deletions]
My main point, as I said, was that there really isn't any evidence for
the explanation you give. (At least, that I'm aware of.) But, I couldn't
help making a few nitpicks here and there. :->
Sincerely,
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If all of those are "is"'s of identity, both syllogisms are valid.
If, however, B is a predicate, then the second syllogism is invalid.
(The first syllogism, as you have pointed out, is valid--whether B
is a predicate or designates an individual.)
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I am also interested, and there may be others.
Thanks,
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Hi,
we are just completing a project on nebuliser performance, and have a
wealth of data on particle size and output which we are going to use
to adjudicate a contract next week.
Although the output data is easy for us to present, there seems to be
little concensus on the optimum diameter of the nebulised droplets for
straightforward inhalation therapy (eg: for asthmatics).
Some say that the droplets must be smaller than 5 microns, whilst
others say that if they are too small they will not be effective.
Anyone up on this topic who could summarise the current status ?
Cheers,
Pete
--
Pete Phillips, Deputy Director, Surgical Materials Testing Lab,
Bridgend General Hospital, S. Wales. 0656-652166 pete@smtl.demon.co.uk
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Howdy chaps
Has anybody got any pointers to good C, Pascal, etc compilers for
microcontrollers, shareware or otherwise ?
My specific need is for 8051 C, but if the responses are many and varied I
will post a summary.
Cheers
Mike
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For example, if it were instinctive not to murder...
So, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other
beings mimics theirs? And, how much emphasis do you place on intelligence?
Animals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but they
don't. Are you trying to say that this isn't an act of morality because
most animals aren't intelligent enough to think like we do?
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: >> The death penalty was conceived as a deterrent to crime, but the legal
: >> shenanigans that have been added (automatic appeals, lengthy court
: >> battles, etc.) have relegated that purpose to a very small part of what
: >> it should be. Hence the question is, do we instate the death penalty as
: >> it was meant to be, and see if that deters crime, or do we get rid of
: >> it entirely?
I doubt the death penalty was supposed to be a "deterrent" to crime. If so,
why doesn't every crime carry a death penalty ? That would be effictive
wouldn't it ???
The death penalty is a punishment, much like a $50 fine for speeding is
a punishment. Anyway, somebody with murder on the mind doesn't much care
about the consequences. I think another problem is that people dont think
they will get caught. If I wanted to kill another person, I wouldn't
care what the penalty was if I didn't think I would get caught.
If it was to be strictly a deterrent, it should have been more along
the lines of torture.
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Yes I am aware CorelDraw exports in SCODAL.
Version 2 did it quite well, apart from a
few hassles with radial fills. Version 3 RevB
is better but if you try to export in SCODAL
with a bitmap image included in the drawing
it will say something like "cannot export
SCODAL with bitmap"- at least it does on my
version.
If anyone out there knows a way around this
I am all ears.
Temporal images make a product called Filmpak
which converts Autocad plots to SCODAL, postscript
to SCODAL and now GIF to SCODAL but it costs $650
and I was just wondering if there was anything out
there that just did the bitmap to SCODAL part a tad
cheaper.
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I have already called senators, legislators and the Governor demanding
that the warrants be unsealed, and that all involved in this atrocity
(including the President, Attorney General and Governor) be suspended
pending an investigation.
I seriously doubt, however, that anything will ever be done.
Welcome to Amerika!
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is this Tony Esposito? If memory serves me correctly, Chicago. God I
hope I am right, otherwise I will never hear the end of it. ;-)
--
Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!
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Didn't your operating system come with X? SysV usually does as far
as I know. You'd do best to contact the people from whom you bought
ths OS. If you're running Linux or something similar, good luck. :)
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
How do you do bus-mastering on the ISA bus?
If we're talking ISA (AT) bus here, then you can only have 1 DMA channel
active at any one time, presumably transferring data from a single device.
So even though you can have at least 7 devices on a SCSI bus, explain how
all 7 of those devices can to DMA transfers through a single SCSI card
to the ISA-AT bus at the same time.
Also, I'm still trying to track down a copy of IBM's AT reference book,
but from their PC technical manual (page 2-93):
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Yes, he was. He also played Jesus in "Jesus Christ Superstar" before
he became a Christian. He played in Black Sabbath right after he first
got saved, but then left it.
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Several company publish periodicals (3 or 4 times a year) which list the
sticker prices and the dealer invoice prices of all the cars and their
options. Edmund's is the name of one such price guide. You can find
these price guides at most places which sell magazines.
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The DEA and other organizations would have the American people
believe that we are winning the "war on drugs". I'm going to
dispel the propaganda that the DEA is putting out by showing
you the drug war's *real* status. To help prove my assertions
I've also posted two articles from USA Today that clearly
demonstrate that drug use among certain age groups *is* on the
rise. If WOD is working, as we're led to believe, then drug
abuse should have gone down substantially by now. The reality
is, is that it has not gone down very much. If anything,
substance abuse is on the rise. I'm also going to supply a
possible solution to this problem.
The following text is an excerpt from an article about rock music
and pot entitled "Hello Again, Mary Jane" which appears in the
current issue of Time magazine (April 19, 1993, p. 59).
Law-enforcement officials say pot advocates are just blowing
smoke when they talk about the comeback of the weed. "Perhaps
because of the change of administrations, the marijuana lobby
is out in full force," says Robert Bonner, head of the Drug
Enforcement Administration. "The fact is, they're losing the
battle." In 1985 more than 23% of youths ages 12 to 17 said
they smoked marijuana; in 1991 that figure was 13%, and Bonner
says it is still falling. Bonner also offers a reminder that
studies confirm such marijuana health risks as destruction of
nerve cells in the brain and lung damage.
The chart that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14, 1993
issue of USA Today ("Drug Use Up Among U.S. Eigth-graders" by Mike
Snider, p. 6D).
Adolescents' choices
Drugs used by eighth graders in the last month:
Estimated, per 100 students
1991 1992 Pct. chg.
Alcohol 25.1 26.1 +4%
Cigarettes 14.3 15.5 +8%
Marijuana 3.2 3.7 +16%
Amphetamines 2.6 3.3 +27%
LSD 0.6 0.9 +50%
Cocaine 0.5 0.7 +40%
Crack 0.3 0.5 +67%
Source: University of Michigan Institute for Social Research,
1993 report
We are not winning the "war on drugs". I think you can see that one
of the tactics that the DEA employs to give people the impression that
the "war on drugs" is being won is to selectively quote statistics---
only statistics that support their contention that drug use has gone
down. The excerpt from Time magazine that I included in this post is
an excellent example of how organizations like the DEA attempt to
deceive the public.
Usage of *one* particular drug may have gone down but at the same
time usage of other drugs may have gone *up* (a.k.a. substitution).
Also, drug usage among *one* particular age group may have gone down
but drug usage among another age group may have gone *up*. Therefore,
if one takes a look at the big picture, taking into consideration *all*
the statistics, then it's obvious that the so-called "war on drugs" is
being lost. Perhaps the drug war is being won as far as illegal drugs
go, but if one factors in alcohol abuse, smoking, and use of inhalants,
then the magnitude of the drug problem in this country can then placed
in its true perspective.
For those of you who don't consider alcohol to be a drug then try
drinking a fifth of whiskey sometime and then come back and tell me
that it's not a drug. Agencies like the DEA only go after *illegal*
drugs. This is one of the reasons why the drug war is a fruitless
attempt at preventing substance abuse---people will merely switch to
another drug if the one they were using becomes scarce or unpopular.
The solution to the drug abuse problem in this country may be to
legalize some---not all---drugs whose toxicity has been shown to be
within reasonable limits (you won't drop dead after using it a few
times) and then couple this with a massive drug education program.
The reason why I think legalization is *part* of the solution is
because people seem to be able to easily obtain drugs despite the
government's efforts to the contrary---the money spent on drug
interdiction could be spent more effectively elsewhere (e.g., drug
education). Additionally, legalization would reduce crime because
the profit motive would be taken out of drug trafficking which often
goes along with other kinds of crime. Not to mention the fact that
addicts would have less reason to prey on innocent people for their
money and posessions in order to support their expensive habit;
legalization would cause the street price of drugs to fall
substantially so drugs would be much more affordable to addicts.
IMHO, the way to reduce substance abuse is to do to drugs what has been
done to smokers: make drug use socially unacceptable rather than try to
employ heavy-handed law enforcement and punish people by incarcerating
them. As you already know, people in the U.S. smoke a lot less than
they used to. This reduction in the number of smokers has been brought
about by public awareness campaigns, laws restricting where people can
light up, warning labels on cigarette packages, taxation on tobacco in
order to reduce consumption, and so on. I propose that similar methods
be used to reduce substance abuse after legalization has been carried
out. They are as follows:
* Drugs being sold must come with clear, concise information which
states the possible health hazzards involved with using this
product and recommendations on how the drug should be used.
Things like dosage levels and how long the drug should be used
ought to accompany the packaging the drug is contained in.
* All drugs should be taxed at a rate that generates a lot of
revenue but not so high as to encourage people to acquire drugs
through illegal channels. Part of the revenue collected from
drug taxes should be used to fund drug education and law
enforcement.
* Make it a felony to sell drugs to minors (people under the age of
18). Anyone can sell drugs but they must not dodge paying the
taxes on drugs or sell drugs with the warning information absent.
Failure to pay the appropiate taxes on drugs or omitting warning
information should also be a felony.
* Establish a government agency whose job is to insure that the
purity and safety of all drugs is as high as possible. This
agency would try to prevent people from getting a hold of bad
drugs---something that is a fairly serious problem now.
I'm sure that many of the things I've discussed in this article have
been hashed out before in this newsgroup. Nevertheless, I thought
it was a good idea to give my two cents (actually a buck and a half...)
all at once so you could get a good idea of where I currently stand on
WOD. Go ahead and tear into my post; I'm sure there is something in it
that you may wish to take a different view on or flame. :) :) :) BTW,
I posted the articles from USA Today to not only help prove my
assertions but also to provide information on LSD usage among youths---
something which I noticed some posters to this group were interested in.
Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot
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Well, most hangings are very quick and, I imagine, painless.
And, hangings and firing squads are allowed today, too. And, if these
things were not considered cruel, then surely a medical execution
(painless) would not be, either.
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Between Adam and Eve and Golgotha the whole process of the fall of man
occurred. This involved a gradual dimming of consciousness of the spiritual
world. This is discernable in the world outlooks of different peoples through
history. The Greek, for example, could say, "better a beggar in the land
of the living than a king in the land of the dead." (Iliad, I think).
The question of what happens to human beings who died before Christ is
an ever present one with Christians. I am not ready to conscign Adam
or Abraham, or even Cain to eternal damnation. Yet they all died in their
sins, in the Christian sense. The same can be said of the whole of Gentile
humanity, and also of the unrepentant malefactor on the cross next to
him. I do not limit the power of Christ to save even him, through whom
Satan would mock his deed of salvation at the very moment of its fulfillment.
It is possible to experience eternity in a passing moment. The
relationship of eternity to duration is not simply one of indefinitely
extended conditions of Greenwich mean time. It is possible to imagine
an eternity of agony or bliss - or even many of them - in the
spiritual world during the time between earthly death and a new birth.
It was also a standard belief among many peoples that even the righteous
were lost. This again is the result of the loss of the paradisal consciousness
that fled from us after the fall, with our ever increasing involvement with
the sense world.
It would be interesting to share in the results of your studies of ancient
people's ideas of life after death.
Mankind fell into mist and darkness, and at "the turning point of
time" a new light entered into the world. The light still grows, and
we are developing the eyes with which to see by it. Much new
revelation and growth in under- standing lies before us. Our new
vision and understanding is still very feeble, but it contains
something new that will grow in time to embrace that which is old and
much more as well.
(At this point I should acknowledge openly my debt to the work of Rudolf
Steiner, founder of Anthroposophy, for many insights that have led me to my
views on this subject).
The way you refer to it as "doctrine" puts a modern intellectual coloring
on it. I think it was much less abstract and much more real and spiritually
concrete, a teaching that struck much closer to home than our doctrines or
teachings today can be received.
I am not so ready to attribute widespread notions in antiquity to
simple dispersion from an original source. Even if they were passed
on, the question is, to what extent did they reflect real perception
and experience? The similarity in the midst of great variety of
expression of the different people's ideas of the time immediately
after death testifies to the presence of an underlying reality. In
any case, we study geometry not by reading old manuscripts of Euclid,
but by contemplating the principles themselves.
On the other hand, there is one notion firmly embedded in Christianity
that originated most definitely in a pagan source. The idea that the
human being consists essentially of soul only, and that the soul is
created at birth, was consciously adopted from Aristotle, whose ideas
dominated Christian thought for fifteen hundred years and still does
today. He was at once the father of modern thought and at the same
time lived during that darkened time when the perception of our
eternal spiritual being had grown dim.
Indeed. I should also clarify that I do not deny that eternal
irrevocable damnation is a real possibility. But the narrow range in
which we conceive of the decisive moment, i.e. after the end of a
single earthly life, is not in my mind sufficient to embrace the
reality, and I think that is why the early creeds were couched in
terms that did not try to spell it out.
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3500 miles, black leather tank bra, tank bag, Corbin seat, Metzler 'B'
tires. Garaged and pampered. I can't afford to continue paying NYC garage
fees for two bikes so one of 'em has to go.
Best offer above $4500 takes it.
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Hi there,
is there anybody who know a polygon_reduction algorithm for
marching cube surfaces. e.g. the algirithm of Schroeder,
Siggraph'92.
For any hints, hugs and kisses.
- Erwin
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:P>My favorite reply to the "you are being too literal-minded" complaint is
:P>that if the bible is really inspired by God and if it is really THAT
:P>important to him, then he would make damn certain all the translators and
:P>scribes and people interpreting and copying it were getting it right,
:P>literally. If not, then why should I put ANY merit at all in something
:P>that has been corrupted over and over and over by man even if it was
:P>originally inspired by God?
:P
:PThe "corrupted over and over" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the
:Pcurrent hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text
:Phas in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This
:Pshouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner
:Pare likely to makes some pains to make good copies.
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I don't know how quickly YOU can get a woodstove to heat up from a cold
start, but mine takes about three hours.
Mox nix. The BD's were prepared to provide their own heat and light,
and were doing so for weeks while the power was out. That means the
compound contained containers of flammable liquids or gases (that could
be busted by a tank intrusion), plus ignition sources, which no one can
tell for sure were all off at the time.
On the contrary. We are proposing alternate scenarios. The people who
are coming to wild conclusions are the feds, who are absolutely positive
how the fire started, even though none of them were in a position to
see it, either (and the stories they "hear" from their prisoners changes
hourly).
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: Men Without Hats - "Folk of the 80's (Part III)" - vinyl
Anyone out there who is willing to part with their copy of
Men without Hats, "Pop goes the world!" album on vinyl...or perhaps CD...
please contact me, we wish to purchase it!
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Well, it seems that the Habs have been much talked-about of late, so here's my
$0.02. These guys have absolutely no concept of how to play in front of the
damn net!!! Watch them in the offensive zone, especially on the powerplay.
Damphousse or Lebeau will skate all over the bloody zone, maybe pass to the
point, get it back, skate some more, pass it around....BUT WHERE'S THE SHOT??!
Answer: the shot is totally useless because they lack a forward who stands
in front of the net a la` Neely, Shanahan, Tocchet, etc etc. Too bad
Demers won't put Dipietro or LeClair on the powerplay more often. Dammit,
even Ewen would at least cause some disruptions. Montreal desperately needs
a power forward with some talent, IMO.
Then watch them in their own zone. Patrick Roy is screened on everything. Say
what you want about his performance; IMNSHO he cannot stop what he cannot see.
And Montreal's defence does a miserable job of clearing the front of the net.
Last night against Washington Roy played a *great* game. The first goal came
on the most ridiculous goalmouth scramble I've seen in a long time, and he
didn't have a hope in hell of stopping the shot. The second goal came on a
deflection of a shot he only partially saw anyway. Pathetic defence. The
third goal was EN.
No wonder he gets pissed off at his defencemen.
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About a month ago there was a photo posted on
alt.binaries.pictures.misc of a 17.5-inch Northern Pike which had been
caught on a lure made of 256K SIMMs.
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It likely has nothing to do with "chunks of plaque" but it sounds like
you may have a neurovascular compromise to your arm and you need medical
attention *before* doing any more weight lifting.
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, lend me your ears for but a moment,
The National Legue Eastern Division Champions will be the...
Philadelphia Phillies
I one hundred and ten percent guarantee!!!
Chamberlain Hollins Dykstra Incaviglia Jackson Williams
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Gun clubs:
If you are a member you CAN borrow weapons....(Suprised??)
You are supposed to train with a .22 for the 6 months, THEN
you can start with anything bigger.
Drivers licence:
Forgot that USA is THE land of cars.....
Getting one in Scandinavia (and northern europe) is not easy.
Average time is about 20 hours of training, and the cost is rather......
But we think this is acceptable because a car is NOT a toy, and
bad drivers tend to hurt OTHERS.
(If you are really bad, you WON'T get a lincence!)
Abuse by the goverment:
This seems to be one of the main problems; Any harder gun-control
would just be abused by the goverment.(!)
Either some of you are a little paranoid (no offence...) OR you should
get a new goverment. (You do have elections??)
Guns 'n Criminals:
MOST weapons used by criminals today are stolen.
Known criminals can NOT buy weapons, that's one of the points of gun control.
And because gun control are strict in WHOLE scandinavia (and most of europe),
we dont have any PROBLEM with smuggled guns.
Mixing weapons and things that can be use as one:
What I meant was that cars CAN kill, but they are not GUNS!
Someone said that if we 'ban' guns we'd have to ban cars to, because they 'kill' to...
I don't think we should argue on this one..... ;)
The issue (I hope..):
I think we all agree that the criminals are the main problem.
Guns are not a problem, but the way they are used is.... (and what are they for??)
I think this discusion is interesting when you think of (ex)Jugoslavia:
They should all have weapons, it's their rigth to have them, and if they use them
to kill other (Innocent) people the problem is humans, not guns.
If 50% of ALL murders was done with axes, would you impose some regulations on them
or just say that they are ment to be used at trees, and that the axe is not a problem,
it's the 'axer' ??
(An example, don't flame me just because not exactly 50% are killed by guns...)
Think about the situation in Los Angeles where people are buying guns to protect
themselves. Is this a good situation ?? Is it the rigth way to deal with the problem ??
If everybody buys guns to protect themselves from criminals (and their neighbor who have
guns) what do you think will happen ?? (I mean if everybody had a gun in USA)
Don't flame the Englishmen because of Northern Irland, they have gun control that works
(in England) and fonds from USA are one of the reasons why IRA can bomb innocents...
(Something about throwing stones in glass houses...)
Don't flame them because of what to (three?) children did either.
(Can an Jugoslav have an oppinion on guns or even peace??) (YES!)
(My numbers about crime rates after restrictions on shot-guns are from the police
and the Statistisk Sentralbyraa) (understood that one Sorenson??)
LAST WORD:
Responsible gun owners are not a problem, but they will be affected if you want to protect
your citicens.
This is not a .signature.
It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith
and to bring down the evil Internet.
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To answer your irrelevant question, yes a person of color is human,
but I still don't know what you mean by human being and you have
merely begged the question without responding. By trying to inject
the notion of race into the discussion, you muddy the waters without
adding any insight whatever. The same parallel question could
be "Is a polydactyl person a human being?" You still have not
answered what you mean by human being. Please do so.
You won't answer the question and instead drag in irrelevancies.
If you want a definition of human being that does not depend on
the vagaries of law, but holds solid whatever the law may rule,
provide it for me.
More irrelevancies. As Larry Margolis pointed out, the law
has made special exceptions in order to include fetuses, but does
not follow your version of human being. And as he pointed out,
brain death is not a means of determining who has the rights
of the living, but rather who has died. There is a significant
difference.
What I am wondering now is, has your argument so failed you that
you feel it necessary to drag out irrelevancies and leave the
thread you started? You got answers to your questions when
you began baiting me, if you recall, after you had made some
ridiculous remarks about Adrienne Regard and, having been corrected,
changed the subject with your remarks about having a discussion
of substance. If you really wanted a discussion of substance,
why then do you disregard logic and substance in order to toss
silly accussations, e.g. "It really doesn't matter to you..."
If it matters to you, then why not define human being and seek
some substance? You're not going to convince a logical person
of the rightness of your position unless you apply some logic
and show some meaning to your words.
As others point out, one is sacrificed for the other depending on
which has the better chance at survival. Again, your analogy
fails. Not precedence, but possession makes a difference here.
A woman's womb is indisputably her own. Also, I see you ignore
my statement that you would grant rights to a fetus that would
not be granted a born human being. Was that due to its inconvenience?
Is it? Please cite a precedent and the basis of the ruling.
You simply assert things without any support. Your analogy is
not accurate and your assertions are unsupported. Try this on
for size. It is not murder for one Siamese twin to kill
the other in the womb. There. We now have equal arguments.
But the idea is illogical. For one Siamese twin to kill the
other in the womb would likely be to kill itself as well. The
systems are dependent on each other for life. I'm still struggling
to see anything analagous here and failing to do so.
Your argument is from Fantasy Island. Your comparison is a total
failure, as I have demonstrated already, and has no basis in
reality, neither legally nor medically. And for you to assert
that it is not a perfect comparison because of the impossible,
that of coercion or oppression, is ridiculous. As I said,
you give the analogy too little credit for failure. On the one
hand you start this by saying you want to take a real, rather than
a hypothetical, situation, then you fly off into Siamese twins
murdering one another in the womb or coercing or oppressing each
other in the womb when the reality of the situation you describe
in now way matches your version. As I said before, decisions
are made regarding which twin lives and dies in situations where
they cannot both survive. And, furthermore, as I have already said,
there is a difference between an equal claim to organs and a claim
that is unequal. You seem to be asserting that a fetus has a
claim on a woman's womb. When the fetus is born, what happens to
its claim? And by what reason do you assert its claim?
You haven't answered the question. The situations are not analagous.
Again you avoid the question. Dependence can be transferred, and
it is not as slow as you seem to think.
Yes, and I'd hate to have been the one to tell Dr Gunn's children that
he was murdered by a religious, "pro-life" fanatic. Please do
try to stay relevant.
Clever comeback. I congratulate you on the readiness of your wit.
What happened to that claim to bodily organs where life is at stake?
Why does this parent now have an indisputable right to his or her
kidney when previously the parent did not, by your standards? What
is different about the two situations? I see I have to spell this
out for you since the meaning was too subtle for you. In the one
case you do not recognize a difference between a fetus and a born
child (you ask why a born child cannot be abandoned but a fetus
can), and in this case you recognize a significant difference
between the fetus and born child where the lives of the two are at
stake. You can't have it both ways. Action and inaction are
irrelevant to the principle, but you are wrong about the inaction
anyway. Ask any of the numerous women who post here and have
borne children how inactive their pregnancy was. To have a
healthy, live child, a woman does more than hang out, eat as
she chooses, plays volleyball like she always did, drinks at
parties with her friends, etc. She behaves very differently, and
the provision of her resources to a fetus may be no more voluntary
than the beating of her heart, but it is far from inactive.
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Hi. I am working on a project for my marketing class and I'd like to
ask your help. The assignment is to come up with a product and create a
marketing plan for it. Technical issues are not terribly important at
this point. Well, my group's plan is to market a "full page" monitor
for laptop computers. It would be a third-party product to be installed
by authorized repair centers (like Newer Technology's PaletteBook
screen). The idea is that the screen would fold in such a way that you
would get twice the screen height of a normal screen (remember,
technical issues aside!). In fact, by adjusting the fold of the screen
and the monitor configuration, you could have regular OR "full" height.
The screen would probably be monochrome.
The motivation behind this is that laptop computers seem to be very
popular among business people. Business people also commonly use word
processing and spreadsheet applications for which it is very convenient
to see a large portion of the document. Because of the target users and
applications, color screens aren't really a neccessity. We could
hopefully keep the cost between $2000 and $3000.
Now, please don't write this off as completely ridiculous. I really
need some constructive feedback. So, if you would, please reply to me
via email and let me know:
1. If you would consider buying a "full page" laptop screen
2. How much you would be willing to pay for it
3. Any helpful commentaries on the idea
Also, if you take this idea and make a lot of money off it (doubtful,
but who knows!), please send me some.
Thanks in advance!!!
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That's a twin-cam, right? There's a steel guard right next to
the sprocket to keep a broken chain from punching a hole in the
engine cases, and it's needed. There's probably not enough room
to fit a bigger sprocket.
I'd be inclined to take two teeth off the rear for a 5% ratio
change rather than adding one to the front for about 7%. If you
raise the overall gear ratio too much you'll impair the bike's
rideability, because the gears will be far enough apart that
there will be only one gear that provides adequate response at
any given speed. Honda 750s don't have the widest of power
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Yep, that's pretty much it. I'm not a Jew but I understand that this is the
Jewish way of thinking. However, the Jews believe that the Covenant between
YHWH and the Patriarchs (Abraham and Moses, in this case) establishes a Moral
Code to follow for mankind. Even the Jews could not decide where the boundaries
fall, though.
As I understand it, the Sadducees believed that the Torah was all that was
required, whereas the Pharisees (the ancestors of modern Judaism) believed that
the Torah was available for interpretation to lead to an understanding of
the required Morality in all its nuances (->Talmud).
The essence of all of this is that Biblical Morality is an interface between
Man and YHWH (for a Jew or Christian) and does not necessarily indicate
anything about YHWH outside of that relationship (although one can speculate).
The trouble with all of this is that we don't really know what the "created
in His image" means. I've heard a number of different opinions on this and
have still not come to any conclusion. This rather upsets the Apple Cart if
one wants to base a Life Script on this shaky foundation (to mix metaphors
unashamedly!) As to living by Christ's example, we know very little about
Jesus as a person. We only have his recorded utterances in a set of narratives
by his followers, and some very small references from comtemporary historians.
Revelation aside, one can only "know" Christ second-hand or worse.
This is not an attempt to debunk Christianity (although it may seem that way
initially), the point I`m trying to make is that we only really have the Bible
to interpret, and that interpretation is by humanity. I guess this is where
Faith or Relevation comes in with all its inherent subjectiveness.
No. There may be an absolute moral code. There are undoubtably multiple
moral codes. The multiple moral codes may be founded in the absolute moral
code. As an example, a parent may tell a child never to swear, and the child
may assume that the parent never swears simply because the parent has told
the child that it is "wrong". Now, the parent may swear like a trooper in
the pub or bar (where there are no children). The "wrongness" here is if
the child disobeys the parent. The parent may feel that it is "inappropriate"
to swear in front of children but may be quite happy to swear in front of
animals. The analogy does not quite hold water because the child knows that
he is of the same type as the parent (and may be a parent later in life) but
you get the gist of it? Incidentally, the young child considers the directive
as absolute until he gets older (see Piaget) and learns a morality of his own.
David.
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Here is a review of some of the off-ice things that have
affected the AHL this year.
ST JOHN'S MAPLE LEAFS PROBLEMS
The St John's Maple Leafs sophomore season has been plagued by
problems. On-ice, the Leafs won the Atlantic Division title but
off ice was less happy. A strike by public workers has forced the
leafs out of the Newfoundland city for much of the last half of
the seaosn (since mid-Jan). They have played "home" games in places
like Montreal, Cornwall and Charlottetown. Their playoff "home"
games will be played in the Metro Center in Halifax, NS. One
demostration got violent. Workers attacked a Leafs' bus and
rocked it and broke windows in the St John's Memorial Stadium.
Despite the problems, Toronto officials insist that the Leafs
will return to St John's once the strike ends.
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SENATORS SOLD
The New Haven Senators have been sold by Peter Shipman to
the Ottawa Senators NHL organization. They are the only Canadian
NHL team with an American AHL affiliate, and have made it clear
they intend to move the team to somewhere in the Canadian Atlantic
Provinces. This sale and move has yet to be approved by the AHL
head office, but is expected to pass easily at the general meeting
in May. The quote in the story from Jack Butterfield made it
clear the league was more interested in the stability of the
AHL franchise accompanied by NHL ownership, rather than maintaining
the 56-year history of the AHL in New Haven.
The Senators are currently in serious negotiations with Charlottetown
New Brunswick and are expected to move there.
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DALLAS HELPS HAWKS STAY IN MONCTON
After announcing that they would pull their affiliation out
of Moncton, the Winnipeg Jets changed their mind.
The Jets announced the move when they said that they would be slashing
their minor league roster from 20-something to around a dozen; and they
wanted to share with an existing AHL or IHL franchise.
Enter the Dallas Lone Stars. Dallas agreed to supply the remaining
6 or 8 players to the Moncton franchise. Thus keeping the Hawks
in the New Brunswick city.
The deal is for one year and will be extended to three years if
the season ticket base increases to over 3000. The Hawks only sold
1400 for this year.
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SAINT JOHN FLAMES OFFICIAL
The Calgary Flames have officially signed a deal with the city of
Saint John, NB. The Saint John Blue Flames will play in the 6200
Exhibition Center. The Flames still have to apply for an expansion
frnachise from the AHL but are expected to have no trouble.
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CAPS FOLLOW JACKS TO MAINE
Despite rumors to the contrary, the Capitals will follow the Baltimore
Skipjacks to Maine. The Caps' current farm team, the Baltimore Skipjacks,
announced that they would move to Maine and become the Portland Pirates.
There was much doubt as to if the Caps would follow but they announced
a limited deal with Portland. They would supply a dozen or so players
including 2 goalies. They become the third team to announce a limited
farm team along with Moncton and the Capital District Islanders.
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AHL GAME OF THE WEEK
In early January, the AHL started a game of the week. The game, produced
by, I believe, Pyman Productions, was televised across the Canadian
Maritimes and northeastern US. The first few weeks saw two games of
the week, one in Canada and another in the US but since then, there
has been only one. Sunday afternoon and night games were covered and
shown on Sportschannel NY and NE in the US and, I believe, Atlantic
Sports Network in Canada (but I'm not sure about that). I am not
sure if playoff games will be covered.
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UTICA GONE? SYRACUSE ADDED?
There were heavy rumors that the Utica Devils will not be around next
season. There were rumors that they might be headed to a midwestern
city and that the city of Syracuse is trying to lure them.
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WHAT THE AHL MIGHT LOOK LIKE NEXT YEAR
ONE OPTION ANOTHER OPTION
Northern Division Southern Division
ADIRONDACK RED WINGS ADIRONDACK
SPRINGFIELD INDIANS SPRINGFIELD
PROVIDENCE BRUINS PROVIDENCE
CD ISLANDERS CDI
PORTLAND PIRATES HERSHEY
BINGHAMTON
Southern Division ROCHESTER
HERSHEY BEARS HAMILTON
BINGHAMTON RANGERS UTICA
ROCHESTER AMERICANS
HAMILTON CANUCKS Atlantic Division
UTICA (?) DEVILS PORTLAND
ST JOHN'S
Atlantic Division SAINT JOHN
ST JOHN'S MAPLE LEAFS MONCTON
MONCTON HAWKS HALIFAX
HALIFAX CITADELS FREDERICTON
CAPE BRETON OILERS CAPE BRETON
FREDERICTON CANADIENS CHARLOTTETOWN
SAINT JOHN BLUE FLAMES
CHARLOTTETOWN SENATORS (move is unofficial as yet)
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The recent discussion in this news group suggests that a key search attack
against DES is quite feasible now. But normally DES is applied in CBC or CFB
mode where one chooses a random init vector of 8 bytes. Questions:
- Makes it sense to handle the init vector as an additional key? Then we have
a 56 + 64 = 120 bit key.
- If yes: Is anything known about the security of this key scheme? Can we
break it faster than by exhaustive search through the 120 bit key space?
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In my postings I have made a proposal for comments and discussion.
Those who don't want to discuss its merits and drawbacks are not forced to
do so.
However I would make anybody who incites others to harm me or harass
in a personal manner, legally responsible for their deeds. I cannot
accept and will not accept threats to my personal integrity and I
urge anybody who opposes terror to refrain from direct or indriect
threats.
PS: My proposal has nothing to do with Nazi eugenics. It has to do with
the search for peace which would enable justice. I don't consider that
justice is done, when non-Jews who fled or were expelled in 1948/1967
are not permitted to return to their homeland. This can at best be called
pragmatism, a nice word for legitimizing the rule of the strong. It can
never be called justice. And peace without justice will never be peace.
It is my conviction that the situation in which a state, through the
law, attempts to discourage mixed marriages (as Israel does), is not
normal. Such a state resembles more Nazi Germany and South Africa than
Western democracies, such as the United States, in which Jews are free to
marry whom they wish and do so in the thousands. My proposal may have
drawbacks but it is meant to force anybody to anything, just to
compensate for a certain time mixed couples for the hardships tehy
endure in a society which disapproves of intermarriage.When the day
will come and Israel will become a truly civil and decmoractic society,
in which the state is not concerned with the religious or ethnic
affiliation of its constituency, such a Fund would not be needed any
more. I don't mind if Jews wish to marry Jews and keep their
traditions, why not ? But this is not the affairs of a state. Western
democracy clearly separates these domains and I am certain that
most
American Jews enjoy this fact and would not love to live in a state termed
Christian State and to have their Green cards stamped with a mark JEW.
I would ask those who are genuinely interested in an exchange of views
and personal experiencces to refrain from emotional, infantile
outbursts which might leed readers to infer that Jews who respect
Judaism are uncivilized. Such behaviour is not good for Judaism.
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You could argue that if you wanted, but I think a more reasonable
argument would point out the fact that the remembrance feast was
very similar to the Pesach (Passover) meal during Seder, a very
Jewish ritual.
The fact that there appears to be an abuse in the early Church of
people eating too much (a very real concern with some Passover meals)
and not treating the meal with respect, shows the simplifying of the
ritual to just bread and wine to be a way of dealing with the
inherent problems of people's human nature, and trying to keep the
essentials of the remembrance aspects.
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For Sale...:
Three software packages for IBM PC and compatible computers:
o Wing Commander deluxe edition
o Includes Secret Missions 1 & 2
o Includes all original packaging, manuals
and disks
o Includes registration card (so you can
send it in and register it in your name)
o Original price for Wing Commander: $69.95
o Original price for Secret Missions I: $29.95
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Oh, I see, flame someone, tell them that they are immature, tell them
they are wrong, and then don't offer any proof for your assertions.
You really *are* a putz. Put up or shut up.
cpk
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/(hudson)
/If someone inflicts pain on themselves, whether they enjoy it or not, they
/are hurting themselves. They may be permanently damaging their body.
That is true. It is also none of your business.
Some people may also reason that by reading the bible and being a Xtian
you are permanently damaging your brain. By your logic, it would be OK
for them to come into your home, take away your bible, and send you off
to "re-education camps" to save your mind from ruin. Are you ready for
that?
/(hudson)
/And why is there nothing wrong with it? Because you say so? Who gave you
/the authority to say that, and set the standard for morality?
Why?
Because:
I am a living, thinking person able to make choices for myself.
I do not "need" you to show me what you think is the way; I have observed
too many errors in your thinking already to trust you to make up the
rules for me.
Because:
I set the standard for my *own* morality, and I permit you to do
the same for yourself. I also do not try to force you to accept my rules.
Because:
Simply because you don't like what other people are doing doesn't give you
the right to stop it, Hudson. We are all aware that you would like for
everyone to be like you. However, it is obnoxious, arrogant thinking like
yours, the "I-know-I'm-morally-right-so-I-can-force-it-on-you" bullshit
that has brought us religious wars, pogroms against Jews, gay-bashing,
and other atrocities by other people who, like you, "knew" they were
morally right.
(me)
/(hudson)
/Aren't you? Aren't you indicating that I should not tell other people what
to do? Aren't you telling me it is wrong for me to do that?
It is not a moral standard that I am presenting you with, Hudson. It is
a key to getting along in life with other people. It is also a point of
respect: I trust other people to be intelligent enough to make their
own choices, and I expect the same to be returned. You, on the other
hand, do not trust them, and want to make the choice for them--whether
they like it or not.
It is also a way to avoid an inconsistency: if you believe that you have
the right to set moral standards for others and interfere in their lives,
then you must, by logic, admit that other people have the same right of
interference in your life.
(Yes, I know; you will say that your religion is correct and tells you that
only agents acting in behalf of your religion have the right of interference.
However, other people will say that you have misinterpreted the Word of
God and that *they* are the actual true believers, and that you are
acting on your own authority. And so it goes).
(hudson)
/Who gave
/you the authority to set such a moral standard for me to tell me that I
/cannot set a moral standard for others?
You can set all the standards that you want, actually. But don't be surprised
if people don't follow you like rats after the Pied Piper.
At the most basic form, I am not going to LET you tell me what to do;
and if necessary, I will beat you to a bloody pulp before I let you actually
interfere in my life.
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Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh
(Part A of #008)
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| "Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they |
| repeated quite frequently, "Let the Armenian women have babies |
| for us, Muslim babies, let them bear Azerbaijanis for the |
| struggle against the Armenians." Then they said, "Those |
| Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!" They repeated |
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DEPOSITION OF LYUDMILA GRIGOREVNA M.
Born 1959
Teacher
Sumgait Secondary School No. 10
Secretary of the Komsomol Organization at School No. 10
Member of the Sumgait City Komsomol Committee Office
Resident at Building 17/33B, Apartment 15
Microdistrict No. 3
Sumgait [Azerbaijan]
[Note: The events in Kafan, used as a pretext to attack Armenians in
Azerbaijan are false, as verified by independent International Human Rights
organizations - DD]
I'm thinking about the price the Sumgait Armenians paid to be living in
Armenia now. We paid for it in human casualties and crippled fates--the
price was too great! Now, after the Sumgait tragedy, we, the victims, divide
our lives into "before" and ''after." We talk like that: that was before the
war. Like the people who went through World War II and considered it a whole
epoch, a fate. No matter how many years go by, no matter how long we live,
it will never be forgotten. On the contrary, some of the moments become even
sharper: in our rage, in our sorrow, we saw everything differently, but now
. . . They say that you can see more with distance, and we can see those
inhuman events with more clarity now . . . we more acutely perceive our
losses and everything that happened.
Nineteen eighty-eight was a leap year. Everyone fears a leap year and wants it
to pass as quickly as possible. Yet we never thought that that leap year would
be such a black one for every Sumgait Armenian: those who lost someone and
those who didn't.
That second to last day of winter was ordinary for our family, although you
could already smell danger in the air. But we didn't think that the danger was
near and possible, so we didn't take any steps to save ourselves. At least, as
my parents say, at least we should have done something to save the children.
My parents themselves are not that old, 52 and 53 years. But then they thought
that they had already lived enough, and did everything they could to save us.
In our apartment the tragedy started on February 28, around five in the
afternoon. I call it a tragedy, and I repeat: it was a tragedy even though all
our family survived. When I recall how they broke down our door my skin
crawls; even now, among Armenians, among people who wish me only well, I feel
like it's all starting over again. I remember how that mob broke into our
apartment . . . My parents were standing in the hall. My father had an axe in
his hands and had immediately locked both of the doors. Our door was rarely
locked since friends and neighbors often dropped by. We're known as a
hospitable family, and we just never really thought about whether the people
who were coming to see us were Azerbaijanis, Jews, or Russians. We had friends
of many nationalities, even a Turkmen woman.
My parents were in the hall, my father with an axe. I remember him telling my
mother, "Run to the kitchen for a knife." But Mother was detached, pale, as
though she had decided to sell her life a bit dearer. To be honest I never
expected it of her, she's afraid of getting shot and afraid of the dark. A
girlfriend was at the house that day, a Russian girl, Lyuda, and Mamma said,
"No matter what happens, no matter what they do to us, you're not to come out
of the bedroom. We're going to tell them that we're alone in the apartment."
We went into the bedroom. There were four of us. Marina and the Russian girl
crawled under the bed, and we covered them up with a rug, boxes of dishes, and
Karina and I are standing there and looking at one another. The idea that
perhaps we were seeing each other for the last time flashed somewhere inside
me. I'm an emotional person and I express my emotions immediately. I wanted to
embrace her and kiss her, as though it were the last second. And maybe Karina
was thinking the same thing, but she's quite reserved. We didn't have time to
say anything to each other because we immediately heard Mamma raise a shout.
There was so much noise from the tramping of feet, from the shouting, and from
excited voices. I couldn't figure what was going on out there because the door
to the bedroom was only open a crack. But when Mamma shouted the second time
Karina ran out of the bedroom. I ran after her, I had wanted to hold her back,
but when she opened the door and ran out into the hall they saw us
immediately. The only thing I managed to do was close the door behind me, at
least so as to save Marina and her friend. The mob was shouting, all of their
eyes were shining, all red, like from insomnia. At first about 40 people burst
in, but later I was standing with my back to the door and couldn't see. They
came into the hall, into the kitchen, and dragged my father into the other
room. He didn't utter a word, he just raised the axe to hit them, but Mamma
snatched the axe from behind and said, "Tell them not to touch the children.
Tell them they can do as they want with us, but not to harm the children." She
said this to Father in Armenian.
There were Azerbaijanis from Armenia among the mob who broke in. They
understood Armenian perfectly. The local Azerbaijanis don't know Armenian,
they don't need to speak it. And one of them responded in Armenian: "You and
your children both . . . we're going to do the same thing to you and your
children that you Armenians did in Kafan. They killed our women, our girls,
our mothers, they cut their breasts off, and burned our houses . . . ," and
so on and so forth, "and we came to do the same thing to you." This whole time
some of them are destroying the house and the others are shouting at us. They
were mostly young people, under 30. At first there weren't any older people
among them. And all of their faces were unfamiliar. Sumgait is a small town,
all the same, and we know a lot of people by their faces, especially me, I'm
a teacher.
So they dragged my father into the other room. They twisted his arms and took
him in there, no they didn't take him in there, they dragged him in there,
because he was already unable to walk. They closed the door to that room all
but a crack. We couldn't see what was happening to Father, what they were
doing to him. Then a young man, about 26 years old, started to tear off
Mamma's sarafan, and Mamma shouted at him in Azerbaijani: "I'm old enough to
be your mother! What are you doing?!" He struck her. Now he's being held,
Mamma identified him. I hope he's convicted. Then they went after Karina,
who's been talking to them like a Komsomol leader, as though she were trying
to lead them down a different path, as they say, to influence their
consciousness. She told them that what they were doing was wrong, that they
mustn't do it. She said, "Come on, let's straighten this out, without
emotions. What do you want? Who are you? Why did you come here? What did we
ever do to you?" Someone tried to explain who they were and why they had come
into our home, but then the ones in the back--more of them kept coming and
coming--said, "What are you talking to, them for. You should kill them. We
came here to kill them."
They pushed Karina, struck her, and she fell down. They beat her, but she
didn't cry out. Even when they tore her clothes off, she kept repeating, "What
did we do to you? What did we do to you?" And even later, when she came to,
she said, "Mamma, what did we do to them? Why did they do that to us?"
That group was prepared, I know this because I noticed that some of them only
broke up furniture, and others only dealt with us. I remember that when they
were beating me, when they were tearing my clothes off, I felt neither pain
nor shame because my entire attention was riveted to Karina. All I could do
was watch how much they beat her and how painful it was for her, and what they
did to her. That's why I felt no pain. Later, when they carried Karina off,
they beat her savagely . . . It's really amazing that she not only lived, but
didn't lose her mind . She is very beautiful and they did everything they
could to destroy her beauty. Mostly they beat her face, with their fists,
kicking her, using anything they could find.
Mamma, Karina, and I were all in one room. And again I didn't feel any pain,
just didn't feel any, no matter how much they beat me, no matter what they
did. Then one of those creeps said that there wasn't enough room in the
apartment. They broke up the beds and the desk and moved everything into the
corners so there would be more room. Then someone suggested, "Let's take her
outside."
Those beasts were in Heaven. They did what they would do every day if they
weren't afraid of the authorities. Those were their true colors. At the time
I thought that in fact they would always behave that way if they weren't
afraid of what would happen to them.
When they carried Karina out and beat Mamma-her face was completely covered
with blood--that's when I started to feel the pain. I blacked out several
times from the pain, but each moment that I had my eyes open it was as though
I were recording it all on film. I think I'm a kind person by nature, but I'm
vengeful, especially if someone is mean to me, and I don't deserve it. I hold
a grudge a long time if someone intentionally causes me pain. And every time
I would come to and see one of those animals on top of me, I'd remember them,
and I'll remember them for the rest of my life, even though people tell me
"forget," you have to forget, you have to go on living.
At some point I remember that they stood me up and told me something, and
despite the fact that I hurt all over--I had been beaten terribly--I found
the strength in myself to interfere with their tortures. I realized that I had
to do something: resist them or just let them kill me to bring my suffering
to an end. I pushed one of them away, he was a real horse. I remember now that
he's being held, too. As though they were all waiting for it, they seized me
and took me out onto the balcony. I had long hair, and it was stuck all over
me. One of the veranda shutters to the balcony was open, and I realized that
they planned to throw me out the window, because they had already picked me up
with their hands, I was up in the air. As though for the last time I took a
really deep breath and closed my eyes, and somehow braced myself inside, I
suddenly became cold, as though my heart had sunk into my feet. And suddenly
I felt myself flying. I couldn't figure out if I was really flying or if I
just imagined it. When I came to I thought now I'm going to smash on the
ground. And when it didn't happen I opened my eyes and realized that I was
still lying on the floor. And since I didn't scream, didn't beg them at all,
they became all the more wild, like wolves. They started to trample me with
their feet. Shoes with heels on them, and iron horseshoes, like they had spe-
cially put them on. Then I lost consciousness.
I came to a couple of times and waited for death, summoned it, beseeched it.
Some people ask for good health, life, happiness, but at that moment I didn't
need any of those things. I was sure that none of us would survive, and I had
even forgotten about Marina; and if none of us was alive, it wasn't worth
living.
There was a moment when the pain was especially great. I withstood inhuman
pain, and realized that they were going to torment me for a long time to come
because I had showed myself to be so tenacious. I started to strangle myself,
and when I started to wheeze they realized that with my death I was going to
put an end to their pleasures, and they pulled my hands from my throat. The
person who injured and insulted me most painfully I remember him very well,
because he was the oldest in the group. He looked around 48. I know that he
has four children and that he considers himself an ideal father and person,
one who would never do such a thing. Something came over him then, you see,
even during the investigation he almost called me "daughter," he apologized,
although, of course, he knew that I'd never forgive him. Something like that
I can never forgive. I have never injured anyone with my behavior, with my
words, or with my deeds, I have always put myself in the other person's shoes,
but then, in a matter of hours, they trampled me entirely. I shall never
forget it.
I wanted to do myself in then, because I had nothing to lose, because no one
could protect me. My father, who tried to do something against that hoard of
beasts by himself, could do nothing and wouldn't be able to do anything.
I knew that I was even sure that he was no longer alive.
And Ira Melkumian, my acquaintance I knew her and had been to see her family a
couple of times--her brother tried to save her and couldn't, so he tried to
kill her, his very own sister. He threw an axe at her to kill her and put an
end to her suffering. When they stripped her clothes off and carried her into
the other room, her brother knew what awaited her. I don't know which one it
was, Edik or Igor. Both of them were in the room from which the axe was
thrown. But the axe hit one of the people carrying her and so they killed her
and made her death even more excruciating, maybe the most excruciating of all
the deaths of those days in Sumgait. I heard about it all from the neighbor
from the Melkumians' landing. His name is Makhaddin, he knows my family a
little. He came to see how we had gotten settled in the new apartment in Baku,
how we were feeling, and if we needed anything. He's a good person. He said,
"You should praise God that you all survived. But what I saw with my own eyes,
I, a man, who has seen so many people die, who has lived a whole life, I," he
says, "nearly lost my mind that day. I had never seen the likes of it and
think I never shall again." The door to his apartment was open and he saw
everything. One of the brothers threw the axe, because they had already taken
the father and mother out of the apartment. Igor, Edik, and Ira remained. He
saw Ira, naked, being carried into the other room in the hands of six or seven
people. He told us about it and said he would never forget it. He heard the
brothers shouting something, inarticulate from pain, rage, and the fact that
they were powerless to do anything. But all the same they tried to
do something. The guy who got hit with the axe lived. I I
After I had been unsuccessful at killing myself I saw them taking Marina and
Lyuda out of the bedroom. I was in such a state that I couldn't even
remember my sister's name. I wanted to cry "Marina!" out to her, but could
not. I looked at her and knew that it was a familiar, dear face, but couldn't
for the life of me remember what her name was and who she was. And thus
I saved her, because when they were taking her out, she, as it turns out, had
told them that she had just been visiting and that she and Lyuda were both
there by chance, that they weren't Armenians. Lyuda's a Russian, you can tell
right away, and Marina speaks Azerbaijani wonderfully and she told them that
she was an Azerbaijani. And I almost gave her away and doomed her. I'm glad
that at least Marina came out of this all in good physical health . . .
although her spirit was murdered . . .
At some point I came to and saw Igor, Igor Agayev, my acquaintance, in that
mob. He lives in the neighboring building. For some reason I remembered his
name, maybe I sensed my defense in him. I called out to him in Russian, "Igor,
help!" But he turned away and went into the bedroom. Just then they were
taking Marina and Lyuda out of the bedroom. Igor said he knew Marina and
Lyuda, that Marina in fact was Azerbaijani, and he took both of them to the
neighbors.
And the idea stole through me that maybe Igor had led them to our apartment,
something like that, but if he was my friend, he was supposed to save me.
Then they were striking me very hard--we have an Indian vase, a metal one,
they were hitting me on the back with it and I blacked out--they took me out
onto the balcony a second time to throw me out the window. They were already
sure that I was dead because I didn't react at all to the new blows. Someone
said, "She's already dead, let's throw her out." When they carried me out onto
the balcony for the second time, when I was about to die the second time, I
heard someone say in Azerbaijani: "Don't kill her, I know her, she's a
teacher." I can still hear that voice ringing in my ears, but I can't remember
whose voice it was. It wasn't Igor, because he speaks Azerbaijani with an
accent: his mother is Russian and they speak Russian at home. He speaks
Azerbaijani worse than our Marina does. I remember when they carried me in and
threw me on the bed he came up to me, that person, and I having opened my
eyes, saw and recognized that person, but immediately passed out cold. I had
been beaten so much that I didn't have the strength to remember him. I only
remember that this person was older and he had a high position. Unfortunately
I can't remember anything more.
What should I say about Igor? He didn't treat me badly. I had heard a lot
about him, that he wasn't that good a person, that he sometimes drank too
much. Once he boasted to me that he had served in Afghanistan. He knew that
women usually like bravery in a man. Especially if a man was in Afghanistan,
if he was wounded, then it's about eighty percent sure that he will be treated
very sympathetically, with respect. Later I found out that he had served in
Ufa, and was injured, but that's not in Afghanistan, of course. I found that
all out later.
Among the people who were in our apartment, my Karina also saw the Secretary
of the Party organization. I don't know his last name, his first name is
Najaf, he is an Armenian-born Azerbaijani. But later Karina wasn't so sure,
she was no longer a hundred percent sure that it was he she saw, and she
didn't want to endanger him. She said, "He was there," and a little while
later, "Maybe they beat me so much that I am confusing him with someone else.
No, it seems like it was he." I am sure it was he because when he came to see
us the first time he said one thing, and the next time he said something
entirely different. The investigators haven't summoned him yet. He came to see
us in the Khimik boarding house where we were living at the time. He brought
groceries and flowers, this was right before March 8th; he almost started
crying, he was so upset to see our condition. I don't know if he was putting
us on or not, but later, after we had told the investigator and they summoned
him to the Procuracy, he said that he had been in Baku, he wasn't in Sumgait.
The fact that he changed his testimony leads me to believe that Karina is
right, that in fact it was he who was in our apartment. I don't know how the
investigators are now treating him. At one point I wondered and asked, and was
told that he had an alibi and was not in our apartment. Couldn't he have gone
to Baku and arranged an alibi? I'm not ruling out that possibility.
Ill now return to our apartment. Mamma had come to. You could say that she
bought them off with the gold Father gave her when they were married: her
wedding band and her watch were gold. She bought her own and her husband's
lives with them. She gave the gold to a 14-year old boy. Vadim Vorobyev. A
Russian boy, he speaks Azerbaijani perfectly. He's an orphan who was raised by
his grandfather and who lives in Sumgait on Nizami Street. He goes to a
special school, one for mentally handicapped children. But I'll say this--I'm
a teacher all the same and in a matter of minutes I can form an opinion--that
boy is not at all mentally handicapped. He's healthy, he can think just fine,
and analyze, too . . . policemen should be so lucky. And he's cunning, too.
After that he went home and tore all of the pictures out of his photo album.
He beat Mamma and demanded gold, saying, "Lady, if you give us all the gold
and money in your apartment we'll let you live." And Mamma told them where
the gold was. He brought in the bag and opened it, shook out the contents, and
everyone who was in the apartment jumped on it, started knocking each other
over and taking the gold from one another. I'm surprised they didn't kill one
another right then.
Mamma was still in control of herself. She had been beaten up, her face was
black and blue from the blows, and her eyes were filled with blood, and she
ran into the other room. Father was lying there, tied up, with a gag in his
mouth and a pillow over his face. There was a broken table on top of the pil-
low. Mamma grabbed Father and he couldn't walk; like me, he was half dead,
halfway into the other world. He couldn't comprehend anything, couldn't see,
and was covered with black and blue. Mamma pulled the gag out of his mouth,
it was some sort of cloth, I think it was a slipcover from an armchair.
The bandits were still in our apartment, even in the room Mamma pulled Father
out of, led him out of, carried him out of. We had two armchairs in that room,
a small magazine table, a couch, a television, and a screen. Three people
were standing next to that screen, and into their shirts, their pants,
everywhere imaginable, they were shoving shot glasses and cups from the coffee
service--Mamma saw them out of the corner of her eye. She said, "I was afraid
to turn around, I just seized Father and started pulling him, but at the
threshold I couldn't hold him up, he fell down, and I picked him up again and
dragged him down the stairs to the neighbors'." Mamma remembered one of the
criminals, the one who had watched her with his face half-turned toward her,
out of one eye. She says, "I realized that my death would come from that
person. I looked him in the eyes and he recoiled from fear and went stealing."
Later they caught that scoundrel. Meanwhile, Mamma grabbed Father and left.
I was alone. Igor had taken Marina away, Mamma and Father were gone, Karina
was already outside, I didn't know what they were doing to her. I was left all
alone, and at that moment . . . I became someone else, do you understand? Even
though I knew that neither Mother and Father in the other room, nor Marina and
Lyuda under the bed could save me, all the same I somehow managed to hold out.
I went on fighting them, I bit someone, I remember, and I scratched another.
But when I was left alone I realized what kind of people they were, the ones
I had observed, the ones who beat Karina, what kind of people they were, the
ones who beat me, that it was all unnecessary, that I was about to die and
that all of that would die with me.
At some point I took heart when I saw the young man from the next building. I
didn't know his name, but we would greet one another when we met, we knew that
we were from the same microdistrict. When I saw him I said, "Neighbor, is that
you?" In so doing I placed myself in great danger. He realized that if I lived
I would remember him. That's when he grabbed the axe. The axe that had been
taken from my father. I automatically fell to my knees and raised my hands to
take the blow of the axe, although at the time it would have been better if he
had struck me in the head with the axe and put me out of my misery. When he
started getting ready to wind back for the blow, someone came into the room.
The newcomer had such an impact on everyone that my neighbor's axe froze in
the air. Everyone stood at attention for this guy, like soldiers in the
presence of a general. Everyone waited for his word: continue the atrocities
or not. He said, "Enough, let's go to the third entryway." In the third
entryway they killed Uncle Shurik, Aleksandr Gambarian. This confirms once
again that they had prepared in advance. Almost all of them left with him, as
they went picking up pillows, blankets, whatever they needed, whatever they
found, all the way up to worn out slippers and one boot, someone else had
already taken the other.
Four people remained in the room, soldiers who didn't obey their general. They
had to have come recently, because other faces had flashed in front of me over
those 2 to 3 hours, but I had never seen those three. One of them, Kuliyev (I
identified him later), a native of the Sisian District of Armenia, an
Azerbaijani, had moved to Azerbaijan a year before. He told me in Armenian:
"Sister, don't be afraid, I'll drive those three Azerbaijanis out of here."
That's just what he said, "those Azerbaijanis," as though he himself were not
Azerbaijani, but some other nationality, he said with such hatred, "I'll drive
them out of here now, and you put your clothes on, and find a hammer and nails
and nail the door shut, because they'll be coming back from Apartment 41."
That's when I found out that they had gone to Apartment 41. Before that, the
person in the Eskimo dogskin coat, the one who came in and whom they listened
to, the "general," said that they were going to the third entryway.
Kuliyev helped me get some clothes on, because l couldn't do it by myself.
Marina's old fur coat was lying on the floor. He threw it over my shoulders, I
was racked with shivers, and he asked where he could find nails and a hammer.
He wanted to give them to me so that when he left I could nail the door shut.
But the door was lying on the floor in the hall.
I went out onto the balcony. There were broken windows, and flowers and dirt
from flowerpots were scattered on the floor. It was impossible to find
anything. He told me, "Well, fine, I won't leave you here. Would any of the
neighbors let you in? They'll be back, they won't calm down, they know you're
alive." He told me all this in Armenian.
Then he returned to the others and said, "What are you waiting for? Leave!"
They said, "Ah, you just want to chase us out of here and do it with her
yourself. No, we want to do it to." He urged them on, but gently, not
coarsely, because he was alone against them, although they were still just
boys, not old enough to be drafted. He led them out of the room, and went
down to the third floor with them himself, and said, "Leave. What's the mat-
ter, aren't you men? Go fight with the men. What do you want of her?" And
he came back upstairs. They wanted to come up after him and he realized that
he couldn't hold them off forever. Then he asked me where he could hide me. I
told him at the neighbors' on the fourth floor, Apartment 10, we were on really
good terms with them.
We knocked on the door, and he explained in Azerbaijani. The neighbor woman
opened the door and immediately said, "I'm an Azerbaijani." He said, "I know.
Let her sit at your place a while. Don't open the door to anyone, no one knows
about this, I won't tell anyone. Let her stay at your place." She says, "Fine,
have her come in." I went in. She cried a bit and gave me some stockings, I
had gone entirely numb and was racked with nervous shudders. I burst into
tears. Even though I was wearing Marina's old fur coat, it's a short one, a
half-length, I was cold all the same. I asked, "Do you know where my family
is, what happened to them?" She says, "No, I don't know anything. I'm afraid
to go out of the apartment, now they're so wild that they don't look to see
who's Azerbaijani and who's Armenian." Kuliyev left. Ten minutes later my
neighbor says, "You know, Lyuda, I don't want to lose my life because of you,
or my son and his wife. Go stay with someone else." During the butchery in our
apartment one of the scum, a sadist, took my earring in his mouth--I had pearl
earrings on--and ripped it out, tearing the earlobe. The other earring was
still there. When I'm nervous I fix my hair constantly, and then, when I
touched my ear, I noticed that I had one earring on. I took it out and gave it
to her. She took the earring, but she led me out of the apartment.
I went out and didn't know where to go. I heard someone going upstairs. I
don't know who it was but assumed it was them. With tremendous difficulty I
end up to our apartment, I wanted to die in my own home. I go into the
apartment and hear that they are coming up to our place, to the fifth floor.
I had to do something. I went into the bedroom where Marina and Lyuda had
hidden and saw that the bed was overturned. Instead of hiding I squatted near
some broken Christmas ornaments, found an unbroken one, and started sobbing.
Then they came in. Someone said that there were still some things to take. I
think that someone pushed me under the bed. I lay on the floor, and there were
broken ornaments on it, under my head and legs. I got all cut up, but I lay
there without moving. My heart was beating so hard it seemed the whole town
could hear it. There were no lights on. Maybe that's what saved me. They were
burning matches, and toward the end they brought in a candle. They started
picking out the clothes that could still be worn. They took Father's sport
jacket and a bedspread, the end of which was under my head. They pulled on the
one end, and it felt like they were pulling my hair out. I almost cried out.
And again I realized I wasn't getting out of there alive, and I started to
strangle myself again. I took my throat in one hand, and pressed the other on
my mouth, so as not to wheeze, so that I would die and they would only find me
afterward. They were throwing the burned matches under the bed, and I got
burned, but I withstood it. Something inside of me held on, someone's hand was
protecting me to the end. I knew that I was going to die, but I didn't know
how. I knew that if I survived I would walk out of that apartment, but if
I found out that one of my family had died, I would die for sure, because I
had never been so close to death and couldn't imagine how you could go on
living without your mother or father, or without your sister. Marina, I
thought, was still alive: she went to Lyuda's place or someone is hiding her.
I tried to think that Igor wouldn't let them be killed. He served in
Afghanistan, he should protect her.
While I was strangling myself I said my good-byes to everyone. And then I
thought, how could Marina survive alone. If they killed all of us, how would
she live all by herself? There were six people in the room. They talked among
themselves and smoked. One talked about his daughter, saying that there was no
children's footwear in our apartment that he could take for his daughter.
Another said that he liked the apartment--recently we had done a really good
job fixing everything up--and that he would live there after everything was
all over. They started to argue. A third one says, "How come you get it? I
have four children, and there are three rooms here, that's just what I need.
All these years I've been living in God-awful places." Another one says,
"Neither of you gets it. We'll set fire to it and leave." Then someone said
that Azerbaijanis live right next door, the fire could move over to their
place. And they, to my good fortune, didn't set fire to the apartment, and
left.
Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they repeated quite
frequently, "Let the Armenian women have babies for us, Muslim babies, let
them bear Azerbaijanis for the struggle against the Armenians." Then they
said, "Those Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!" They repeated it
very often.
- - - reference for #008 - - -
[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,
Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by
Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 118-145
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1. Large padded Cordura bag (maker unknown) nge exterior, black
straps and interior. Five outside pocket plus lid compartment.
Lid overlaps. Internal dividers can be repositioned. Held
my whole 2-1/4 Bronica system, Metz flash, etc. $50.
2. Small "Nikon" shoulder bag. SORRY. SOLD & SHIPPE.
3. Small "Nikon" belt pouch. Khaki like #2. Similar in design
Army ammo pouch - belt clips, etc. Holds flash or small
zoom, lens cleaner, etc. $5.
4. Domke belt pouch, black. Also has metal loops of you want to
attach strap. Velcro closure. Similar to #3 in concept, but
bigger. Holds 35-135 zoom or flash, small accessories, etc.
Hardly used; cost me $20 originally - will sell for $15.
5. Coast camera bag - tan with brown strap. Main and front pocket.
Can hold AF slr with small zoom plus flash, film, etc. Matl
looks like Gore-Tex but I don't think it really is. $15.
TERMS: Payment in advance by money order/bank check, or cash. Buyer
pays shipping. #1 must go UPS. For the others, send me an adequate
self addressed mailing envelope (padded recommended) with enough postage.
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