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Ralph, it's been quite widely reported that people assume that Mossad is the main entity behind this. | Ralph, è stato assai ampiamente riportato che si ipotizza che il Mossad sia l'autore principale dell'accaduto. | en-it |
Is that your opinion? | Jakie jest twoje zdanie? | en-pl |
Ralph Langner: Okay, you really want to hear that? | Ralph Langner: Gerai, jūs tikrai norite tai išgirsti? | en-lt |
Yeah. Okay. | Да. Добре. | en-bg |
My opinion is that the Mossad is involved, but that the leading force is not Israel. | Min åsikt är att Mossad är inblandad, men att den ledande kraften bakom inte är Israel. | en-sv |
So the leading force behind that is the cyber superpower. | Quindi la forza trainante dietro tutto ciò è una super potenza digitale. | en-it |
There is only one, and that's the United States -- fortunately, fortunately. | Αυτή είναι μόνο μία και είναι οι ΗΠΑ -- ευτυχώς, ευτυχώς. | en-el |
Because otherwise, our problems would even be bigger. | Porque de outro modo os nossos problemas seriam ainda maiores. | en-pt |
CA: Thank you for scaring the living daylights out of us. Thank you, Ralph. | CA: 우리 모두를 겁나게 해주셔서 감사합니다. | en-ko |
Adrian Kohler: Well, we're here today to talk about the evolution of a puppet horse. | Adrian Kohler: Oggi siamo qui per raccontarvi dell'evoluzione di un cavallo-marionetta. | en-it |
Basil Jones: But actually we're going to start this evolution with a hyena. | Базил Джоунс: Но всъщност тази еволюция започва с една хиена. | en-bg |
AK: The ancestor of the horse. | 亞德里恩 科勒:鬣狗也就是木偶戰馬的祖先 | en-zh-tw |
Okay, we'll do something with it. | Ok, nós vamos fazer alguma coisa com ela. | en-pt-br |
(Laughter) Hahahaha. | (Смях) Хахахахахахаха. | en-bg |
The hyena is the ancestor of the horse because it was part of a production called "Faustus in Africa," a Handspring Production from 1995, where it had to play draughts with Helen of Troy. | Linh cẩu là tổ tiên của ngựa bởi vì nó là một nhân vật trong vở diễn có tên gọi "Faustus ở châu Phi," của nhà hát Handspring năm 1995, trong đó nó phải chơi cờ đam với nàng Helen thành Troy. | en-vi |
This production was directed by South African artist and theater director, William Kentridge. | ผลงานนี้กำกับโดย ศิลปินและผู้กำกับละครชาวแอฟริกาใต้ วิลเลี่ยม เคนทริดจ์ | en-th |
So it needed a very articulate front paw. | Elle avait donc besoin d'une patte avant très articulée. | en-fr |
But, like all puppets, it has other attributes. | Но, как и у всех кукол, у неё есть другие особенности. | en-ru |
BJ: One of them is breath, and it kind of breathes. | 貝索 瓊斯:其中之一就是呼吸 他能呼吸 | en-zh-tw |
AK: Haa haa haaa. | AK: haa haa haa. | en-it |
BJ: Breath is really important for us. | BJ: A lehellet nagyon fontos számunkra. | en-hu |
It's the kind of original movement for any puppet for us onstage. | Для любой из наших кукол на сцене это как бы изначальное движение. | en-ru |
It's the thing that distinguishes the puppet -- AK: Oops. | E ceea ce diferenţiază marioneta -- AK: Pardon. | en-ro |
BJ: From an actor. | vom Schauspieler. | en-de |
Puppets always have to try to be alive. | Куклите винаги трябва да се опитват да оживяват. | en-bg |
It's their kind of ur-story onstage, that desperation to live. | E versiunea lor de mit pus în scenă, disperarea de a trăi. | en-ro |
AK: Yeah, it's basically a dead object, as you can see, and it only lives because you make it. | AK: Sí, como pueden ven, en esencia es un objeto muerto y sólo vive porque uno lo hace vivir. | en-es |
An actor struggles to die onstage, but a puppet has to struggle to live. | Um ator luta para morrer em palco, mas uma marioneta tem de lutar para viver. | en-pt |
And in a way that's a metaphor for life. | Si asta-i o metaforă a vieţii într-un fel. | en-ro |
BJ: So every moment it's on the stage, it's making the struggle. | BJ: Quindi in ogni istante che trascorre sul palco, sta lottando. | en-it |
So we call this a piece of emotional engineering that uses up-to-the-minute 17th century technology -- (Laughter) to turn nouns into verbs. | Nous appelons donc ceci un bout d'ingénierie émotionnelle qui utilise une technologie du 17ème siècle à jour à la minute près -- (Rires) pour transformer des noms en verbes. | en-fr |
AK: Well actually I prefer to say that it's an object constructed out of wood and cloth with movement built into it to persuade you to believe that it has life. | AK: De fapt aş prefera să spun că este un obiect construit din lemn şi pânză, cu locomoţie incorporată pentru a vă convinge că are suflu. | en-ro |
BJ: Okay so. | BJ: Ok, dus. | en-nl |
AK: It has ears that move passively when the head goes. | AK: Tem orelhas que se movem passivamente quando a cabeça se mexe. | en-pt |
BJ: And it has these bulkheads made out of plywood, covered with fabric -- curiously similar, in fact, to the plywood canoes that Adrian's father used to make when he was a boy in their workshop. | BJ: E ha questi tramezzi di compensato, rivestiti di stoffa... curiosamente simili, di fatto, alle canoe di compensato che il padre di Adrian gli costruiva nel loro laboratorio quando era piccolo. | en-it |
AK: In Port Elizabeth, the village outside Port Elizabeth in South Africa. | AK: In een dorpje bij Port Elizabeth in Zuid-Afrika. | en-nl |
BJ: His mother was a puppeteer. | BJ: Sua madre era burattinaia. | en-it |
And when we met at art school and fell in love in 1971, I hated puppets. | E quando nós nos conhecemos na escola de arte e nos apaixonamos em 1971. eu detestava as marionetes. | en-pt-br |
I really thought they were so beneath me. | 总觉得它们很低贱 | en-zh-cn |
I wanted to become an avant-garde artist -- and Punch and Judy was certainly not where I wanted to go. | Я хотів стати художником-авангардистом, тому Панч і Джуді – зовсім не те, що було мені потрібно. | en-uk |
And, in fact, it took about 10 years to discover the Bambara Bamana puppets of Mali in West Africa, where there's a fabulous tradition of puppetry, to learn a renewed, or a new, respect for this art form. | 事实上,我花了十年 来发掘 非洲西部的马里的特有木偶 那里有令人惊叹的木偶制作传统 从而领会到了更新的,或者说是全新的 对于木偶艺术的崇敬 | en-zh-cn |
AK: So in 1981, I persuaded Basil and some friends of mine to form a puppet company. | أدريان كوهلير : في عام 1981 حاولت اقناع بسيل واصدقاء لي لكي نؤسس شركة دُمى | en-ar |
And 20 years later, miraculously, we collaborated with a company from Mali, the Sogolon Marionette Troupe of Bamako, where we made a piece about a tall giraffe. | Și 20 de ani mai târziu, ca prin minune, am colaborat cu o companie din Mali, Sogolon Marionette Troupe din Bamako, unde am făcut un spectacol despre o girafă înaltă. | en-ro |
It was just called "Tall Horse," which was a life-sized giraffe. | ซึ่งมีชื่อว่า"ม้าสูง" มีความสูงเท่ายีราฟจริง | en-th |
BJ: And here again, you see the same structure. | BJ: A tu znovu vidíte rovnakú štruktúru. | en-sk |
The bulkheads have now turned into hoops of cane, but it's ultimately the same structure. | A lemezeket itt nád karikák váltották fel, de alapvetően ugyanaz a váz. | en-hu |
It's got two people inside it on stilts, which give them the height, and somebody in the front who's using a kind of steering wheel to move that head. | Dos personas en su interior sobre zancos le dan el alto y alguien al frente usa una especie de volante para mover esa cabeza. | en-es |
AK: The person in the hind legs is also controlling the tail, a bit like the hyena -- same mechanism, just a bit bigger. | AK: La persona de las patas traseras también controla la cola, un poco como en la hiena, el mismo mecanismo pero un poco más grande. | en-es |
And he's controlling the ear movement. | A on kontroluje pohyby uší. | en-sk |
BJ: So this production was seen by Tom Morris of the National Theatre in London. | بسيل جونز :هذا التصميم شاهده توم موريس في المسرح القومي في لندن | en-ar |
And just around that time, his mother had said, "Have you seen this book by Michael Morpurgo called 'War Horse'?" | Tot cam pe atunci mama lui ii zisese: "Ai văzut cartea asta a lui Michael Morpurgo, "Calul Troian?" | en-ro |
AK: It's about a boy who falls in love with a horse. | א.ק: מסופר בו על ילד שמתאהב בסוס. | en-he |
The horse is sold to the First World War, and he joins up to find his horse. | De a lovat eladják a hadseregnek az I. világháborúban, és a fiú beáll katonának, hogy megtalálja a lovát. | en-hu |
BJ: So Tom gave us a call and said, "Do you think you could make us a horse for a show to happen at the National Theatre?" | BJ: Thế là Tom gọi điện cho chúng tôi và nói rằng, "Các anh nghĩ các anh có thể làm cho chúng tôi một chú ngựa cho một vở diễn ở Nhà Hát Quốc Gia không?" | en-vi |
AK: It seemed a lovely idea. | AK: Aquilo parecia uma adorável ideia. | en-pt-br |
BJ: But it had to ride. It had to have a rider. | BJ: Pero tenía que poder montarse. Tenía que llevar un jinete. | en-es |
AK: It had to have a rider, and it had to participate in cavalry charges. | Musiał mieć jeźdźca. AK: Musiał mieć jeźdźca i musiał uczestniczyć w szarżach kawalerii. | en-pl |
(Laughter) A play about early 20th century plowing technology and cavalry charges was a little bit of a challenge for the accounting department at the National Theatre in London. | (Risate) Un'opera sulla tecnologia dell'aratro del ventesimo secolo e sulle battaglie a cavallo rappresentava una bella sfida per l'ufficio contabilità del National Theatre di Londra. | en-it |
But they agreed to go along with it for a while. | Aber sie stimmten letztendlich zu. | en-de |
So we began with a test. | そこで まずテストを始めました | en-ja |
BJ: This is Adrian and Thys Stander, who went on to actually design the cane system for the horse, and our next-door neighbor Katherine, riding on a ladder. | BJ: Ez Adrian és Thys Stander, aki végül megtervezte a nád vázat a lóhoz, és a szomszédunk, Katherine, aki egy létrán lovagol. | en-hu |
The weight is really difficult when it's up above your head. | Складно тримати вагу, коли вона у тебе над головою. | en-uk |
AK: And once we put Katherine through that particular brand of hell, we knew that we might be able to make a horse, which could be ridden. | 亞德里恩 科勒:一旦我們讓凱瑟琳 經歷了這個特別的煉獄 我們就知道我們應該可以製作一匹馬,一匹可以騎的馬 | en-zh-tw |
So we made a model. | Wykonaliśmy więc makietę. | en-pl |
This is a cardboard model, a little bit smaller than the hyena. | هذا نموذج خشبي انه اصغر قليلاً من الضبع | en-ar |
You'll notice that the legs are plywood legs and the canoe structure is still there. | Vous remarquerez que les pattes sont en contreplaqué et la structure du canoé est encore là. | en-fr |
BJ: And the two manipulators are inside. | 貝索 瓊斯:兩個操縱者在裡面 | en-zh-tw |
But we didn't realize at the time that we actually needed a third manipulator, because we couldn't manipulate the neck from inside and walk the horse at the same time. | 当时我们没有意识到 我们其实需要第三个操纵者 因为我们不能从里面 控制脖子的运动 同时也让马行走 | en-zh-cn |
AK: We started work on the prototype after the model was approved, and the prototype took a bit longer than we anticipated. | AK : Nous avons commencé à travailler sur un prototype après que la maquette a été approuvée, et le prototype a pris un peu plus longtemps que nous pensions. | en-fr |
We had to throw out the plywood legs and make new cane ones. | Наложи се да изхвърлим шперплатовите крака и да направим нови от тръстика. | en-bg |
And we had a crate built for it. | Și am construit un container pentru el. | en-ro |
It had to be shipped to London. | El kellett szállítanunk Londonba. | en-hu |
We were going to test-drive it on the street outside of our house in Cape Town, and it got to midnight and we hadn't done that yet. | 我们原本想在我们克珀城外的道路上试跑 但是一直忙到半夜我们也没顾得上试跑一回 | en-zh-cn |
BJ: So we got a camera, and we posed the puppet in various galloping stances. | BJ: Szóval fogtunk egy kamerát, és beállítottuk a bábot különböző vágtázó pózokba. | en-hu |
And we sent it off to the National Theatre, hoping that they believed that we created something that worked. | Wir schickten es ans "National Theatre" in der Hoffnung, dass sie glauben würden, dass wir etwas Funktionierendes entwicklet hätten. | en-de |
(Laughter) AK: A month later, we were there in London with this big box and a studio full of people about to work with us. | (Nevetés) AK: Egy hónappal később Londonban voltunk ezzel a hatalmas ládával és egy csapattal, akik nekünk dolgoztak. | en-hu |
BJ: About 40 people. | Ungefähr 40 Leute. | en-de |
AK: We were terrified. | АК: Мы ужасно боялись. | en-ru |
We opened the lid, we took the horse out, and it did work; it walked and it was able to be ridden. | Abrimos la caja, sacamos el caballo, y funcionó; caminaba y estaba listo para ser montado. | en-es |
Here I have an 18-second clip of the very first walk of the prototype. | ผมมีคลิ๊ป18วินาที ของการเดินครั้งแรกของต้นแบบ | en-th |
This is in the National Theatre studio, the place where they cook new ideas. | هذا المسرح القومي في لندن انه المكان الذي تطبخ فيه الافكار الجديدة | en-ar |
It had by no means got the green light yet. | De ninguna manera tenía luz verde todavía. | en-es |
The choreographer, Toby Sedgwick, invented a beautiful sequence where the baby horse, which was made out of sticks and bits of twigs, grew up into the big horse. | De choreograaf, Toby Sedgwick, bedacht een prachtige enscenering waarin het veulen, dat was gemaakt van stokjes en twijgjes, opgroeide tot volwassen paard. | en-nl |
And Nick Starr, the director of the National Theatre, saw that particular moment, he was standing next to me -- he nearly wet himself. | 國家劇院的導演尼克史塔爾 看到了這個特別的片段,他站在我旁邊,他差點要尿濕褲子了 | en-zh-tw |
And so the show was given the green light. | 그리곤 그 공연은 비로소 승인을 받았습니다. | en-ko |
And we went back to Cape Town and redesigned the horse completely. | 我们回到克珀城,重新设计了整匹马。 | en-zh-cn |
Here is the plan. | הנה התכנית. | en-he |
(Laughter) And here is our factory in Cape Town where we make horses. | (笑) これはケープ・タウンにある 私たちの工房で 馬を製作する場所です | en-ja |
You can see quite a lot of skeletons in the background there. | Veem-se bastantes esqueletos ao fundo. | en-pt |
The horses are completely handmade. | Коней роблять повністю вручну. | en-uk |
There is very little 20th century technology in them. | יש בהם מעט מאד טכנולוגיה של המאה העשרים. | en-he |
We used a bit of laser cutting on the plywood and some of the aluminum pieces. | Abbiamo usato un po' il laser per tagliare il compensato e alcuni pezzi in alluminio. | en-it |
But because they have to be light and flexible, and each one of them is different, they can't be mass-produced, unfortunately. | Вони мають бути легкими та гнучкими, і кожен з них чимось відрізняється, тому, на жаль, їх не можна виробляти серійно. | en-uk |
So here are some half-finished horses ready to be worked in London. | Voici donc des chevaux à moitié finis prêts à être retravaillés à Londres. | en-fr |
And now we would like to introduce you to Joey. | А теперь мы познакомим вас с Джои. | en-ru |
Joey boy, you there? | 小喬依,你在哪裡? | en-zh-tw |
Joey. | Joey. | en-de |
(Applause) (Applause) Joey. | (аплодисменти) (аплодисменти) Джоуи. | en-bg |
Joey, come here. | Джои, иди сюда. | en-ru |
No, no, I haven't got it. | Nu, nu, n-o am. | en-ro |
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