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Leslie Kaelbling: Reinforcement Learning, Planning, and Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast #15
it's a combination of learning and not learning. And what should that combination be? And what's
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Leslie Kaelbling: Reinforcement Learning, Planning, and Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast #15
the stuff we build in? So to me, that's the most compelling question. And when you say engineer
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Leslie Kaelbling: Reinforcement Learning, Planning, and Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast #15
robots, you mean engineering systems that work in the real world? Is that, that's the emphasis?
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Leslie Kaelbling: Reinforcement Learning, Planning, and Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast #15
Okay. Last question. Which robots or robot is your favorite from science fiction?
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Leslie Kaelbling: Reinforcement Learning, Planning, and Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast #15
So you can go with Star Wars or RTD2, or you can go with more modern,
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Leslie Kaelbling: Reinforcement Learning, Planning, and Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast #15
maybe Hal from... I don't think I have a favorite robot from science fiction.
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Leslie Kaelbling: Reinforcement Learning, Planning, and Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast #15
This is, this is back to, you like to make robots work in the real world here, not, not in...
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Leslie Kaelbling: Reinforcement Learning, Planning, and Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast #15
I mean, I love the process and I care more about the process.
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Leslie Kaelbling: Reinforcement Learning, Planning, and Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast #15
The engineering process.
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Leslie Kaelbling: Reinforcement Learning, Planning, and Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast #15
Yeah. I mean, I do research because it's fun, not because I care about what we produce.
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Leslie Kaelbling: Reinforcement Learning, Planning, and Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast #15
Well, that's a, that's a beautiful note actually. And Leslie,
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Leslie Kaelbling: Reinforcement Learning, Planning, and Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast #15
thank you so much for talking today.
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Leslie Kaelbling: Reinforcement Learning, Planning, and Robotics | Lex Fridman Podcast #15
Sure. It's been fun.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
The following is a conversation with Eric Weinstein.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
He's a mathematician, economist, physicist, and the managing director of Teal Capital.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
He coined the term, and you can say, is the founder of the intellectual dark web, which
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
is a loosely assembled group of public intellectuals that includes Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson,
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Steven Pinker, Joe Rogan, Michael Shermer, and a few others.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
This conversation is part of the Artificial Intelligence Podcast at MIT and beyond.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
If you enjoy it, subscribe on YouTube, iTunes, or simply connect with me on Twitter at Lex
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Friedman, spelled F R I D.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And now, here's my conversation with Eric Weinstein.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Are you nervous about this?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Scared shitless.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Okay.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
You mentioned Kung Fu Panda as one of your favorite movies.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
It has the usual profound master student dynamic going on.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So who was, who has been a teacher that significantly influenced the direction of your thinking
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
and life's work?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So if you're the Kung Fu Panda, who was your Shifu?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Oh, well, it's interesting because I didn't see Shifu as being the teacher.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Who was the teacher?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Oogway, Master Oogway.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
The turtle.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Oh, the turtle.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Right.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
They only meet twice in the entire film.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And the first conversation sort of doesn't count.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So the magic of the film, in fact, its point is that the teaching that really matters is
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
transferred during a single conversation and it's very brief.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And so who played that role in my life?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I would say, uh, either, uh, my grandfather, uh, Harry Rubin and his wife, Sophie Rubin,
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
my grandmother, or Tom Lehrer.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Tom Lehrer?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Yeah.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
In which way?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
If you give a child Tom Lehrer records, what you do is you destroy their ability to be
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
taken over by later malware.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And it's so irreverent, so witty, so clever, so obscene that it destroys the ability to
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
lead a normal life for many people.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So if I meet somebody who's usually really shifted from any kind of neurotypical presentation,
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I'll often ask them, uh, are you a Tom Lehrer fan?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And the odds that they will respond are quite high.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Tom Lehrer is, uh, poisoning pigeons in the park, Tom Lehrer.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
That's very interesting.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
There are a small number of Tom Lehrer songs that broke into the general population, poisoning
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
pigeons in the park, the element song, and perhaps the Vatican rag.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Uh, so when you meet somebody who knows those songs but doesn't know, oh, you're judging
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
me right now, aren't you?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Harshly.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Uh, no, but you're a Russian, so I doubt as the, you know, Nikolai Ivanovich Lubachevsky,
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
that song.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Yeah.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Um, so that was a song about plagiarism that was in fact plagiarized, which most people
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
don't know from Danny Kay, uh, where Danny Kay did a song called Stanislavsky of the
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Muskie arts.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And so Tom Lehrer did this brilliant job of plagiarizing a song about and making it about
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
plagiarism and then making it about this mathematician who worked in non Euclidean geometry.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
That was like, uh, giving heroin to a child.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
It was extremely addictive and eventually led me to a lot of different places, one of
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
which may have been a PhD in mathematics.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And he was also at least a lecturer in mathematics, I believe at Harvard, something like that.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Yeah.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I just had dinner with him.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
In fact, uh, when my son turned 13, we didn't tell him, but, um, his bar mitzvah present
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
was dinner with his hero, Tom Lehrer.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And Tom Lehrer was 88 years old, sharp as a tack, irreverent and funny as hell.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And just, you know, there are very few people in this world that you have to meet while
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
they're still here.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And that was definitely one for our family.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So that wit is a reflection of intelligence in some kind of deep way, like where that
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
would be a good test of intelligence, whether you're a Tom Lehrer fan.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So what do you think that is about wit, about that kind of humor, ability to see the absurdity
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
in existence?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Well, do you think that's connected to intelligence or are we just two Jews on a mic that appreciate
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
that kind of humor?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
No, I think that it's absolutely connected to intelligence.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So you can, you can see it.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
There's a place where Tom Lehrer decides that he's going to lampoon Gilbert of Gilbert and
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Sullivan and he's going to outdo Gilbert with clever, meaningless wordplay.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And he has, forget the, well, let's see, he's doing Clementine as if Gilbert and Sullivan
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
wrote it.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
That I misunderstood depressed her young sister named Mr. This Mr. Depester, she tried pestering
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
sisters of festering blister you best to resist or say I, the sister persisted the Mr. Resisted
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I kissed her all loyalty slip when he said, when she said I could have her, her sister's
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
cadaver must surely have turned in its crypt.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
That's so dense.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
It's so insane that that's clearly intelligence because it's hard to construct something like
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
that.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
If I look at my favorite Tom Lehrer, Tom Lehrer lyric, you know, there's a perfectly absurd
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