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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
It was called pseudo copulation with the fake female, which is usually represented by the
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
lowest pedal.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And there's also a pheromone component to fool the males into thinking they have a mating
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opportunity.
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But the flower doesn't have to give up energy energy in the form of nectar as a lure because
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it's tricking the males.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
The other system is a particular species, uh, of muscle lampicillus in the clear streams
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of Missouri and it fools bass into biting a fleshy lip that contain its young.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And when the bass see this fleshy lip, which looks exactly like a species of fish that
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
the bass like to eat, the, uh, the young explode and clamp onto the gills and parasitize the
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bass and also lose the best redistribute them as they eventually release both of these systems.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
You have a highly intelligent dupe being fooled by a lower life form and what is sculpting
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
these, these convincing lures.
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It's the intelligence of previously duped targets for these strategies.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So when the target is smart enough to avoid the strategy, uh, those weaker mimics, uh,
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fall off.
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They have terminal lines and only the better ones survive.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So it's an arms race between the target species, uh, that is being parasitized, getting smarter
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
and this other less intelligent or non intelligent object getting as if smarter.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
And so what you see is, is that artificial intelligence, artificial general intelligence
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is not needed to parasitize us.
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It's simply sufficient for us to outwit ourselves.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So you could have a program, let's say, you know, one of these Nigerian scams, um, that
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writes letters and uses whoever sends it Bitcoin, uh, to figure out which aspects of the program
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should be kept, which should be varied and thrown away.
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And you don't need it to be in any way intelligent in order to have a really nightmarish scenario
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of being parasitized by something that has no idea what it's doing.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So you, you, you phrased a few concepts really eloquently.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So let me try to, uh, as a few directions this goes.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So one first, first of all, in the way we write software today, it's not common that
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
we allow it to self modify.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
But we do have that ability.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Now we have the ability, it's just not common.
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It's not just common.
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So, so your, your thought is that that is a serious worry.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
If there becomes, uh,
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Self modifying code is, is available now.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So there's, there's different types of self modification, right?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
There's a personalization, you know, your email app, your Gmail is a self modifying
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to you after you log in or whatever you can think of it that way.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
But ultimately it's central, all the information is centralized, but you're thinking of ideas
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where you're completely, so this is an unique entity, uh, operating under selective pressures
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and it changes.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Well, you just, if you think about the fact that our immune systems, uh, don't know what's
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
coming at them next, but they have a small set of spanning components and if it's, if
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
it's a sufficiently expressive system in that any shape, uh, or binding region can be approximated,
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
uh, with, with the Lego that is present, um, then you can have confidence that you don't
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need to know what's coming at you because the combinatorics, um, are sufficient to reach
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any configuration needed.
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Uh, so that's a beautiful thing.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Well, terrifying thing to worry about because it's so within our reach.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Whatever I suggest these things, I do always have a concern as to whether or not I will
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bring them into being by talking about them.
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So, uh, there's this thing from open AI, uh, next, next week to talk to the founder of
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
open AI, uh, this idea that, uh, their text generation, the new, uh, the new stuff they
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have for generating texts is they didn't want to bring it, they didn't want to release it
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because they're worried about the.
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I'm delighted to hear that, but they're going to end up releasing.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Yes.
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So that's the thing is I think talking about it, um, well, at least from my end, I'm more
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
a proponent of technology preventing tech, uh, so further innovation, preventing the
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detrimental effects of innovation.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Well, we're at a, we're sort of tumbling down a hill at accelerating speed.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
So whether or not we're proponents or it doesn't, it doesn't really, it may not matter, but
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I, well, I do feel that there are people who've held things back and, uh, you know, died poor
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than they might've otherwise been.
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We don't even know their names.
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I don't think that we should discount the idea that having the smartest people showing
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off how smart they are by what they've developed may be a terminal process.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I'm very mindful in particular of a beautiful letter that Edward Teller of all people wrote
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to Leo Zillard and where Zillard was trying to figure out how to control the use of atomic
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weaponry at the end of world war II and teller rather strangely because many of us view him
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
as a monster, um, showed some, a very advanced moral thinking talking about the slim chance
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we have for survival and that the only hope is to make Warren thinkable.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I do think that not enough of us feel in our gut what it is we are playing with when we
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are working on technical problems.
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And I would recommend to anyone who hasn't seen it, a movie called the bridge over the
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
bridge on the river Kwai about, I believe captured British POWs who just in a desire
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to do a bridge well, end up over collaborating with their Japanese captors.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Well now you're making me a question the unrestricted open discussion of ideas and AI.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
I'm not saying I know the answer, I'm just saying that I could make a decent case for
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either our need to talk about this and to become technologically focused on containing
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it or need to stop talking about this and try to hope that the relatively small number
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of highly adept individuals who are looking at these problems is small enough that we
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should in fact be talking about how to contain them.
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Well the way ideas, the way innovation happens, what new ideas develop, Newton with calculus,
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whether if he was silent, the idea would be, would emerge elsewhere in the case of Newton
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of course.
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But in the case of AI, how small is the set of individuals out of which such ideas would
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arise?
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
Well the idea is that the researchers we know and those that we don't know who may live
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in countries that don't wish us to know what level they're currently at are very disciplined
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in keeping these things to themselves.
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Of course I will point out that there's a religious school in Kerala that developed
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Eric Weinstein: Revolutionary Ideas in Science, Math, and Society | Lex Fridman Podcast #16
something very close to the calculus, certainly in terms of infinite series in I guess religious
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prayer and rhyme and prose.
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So it's not that Newton had any ability to hold that back and I don't really believe
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that we have an ability to hold it back.
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I do think that we could change the proportion of the time we spend worrying about the effects
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of what if we are successful rather than simply trying to succeed and hope that we'll be able
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