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B: Yeah,
B: often there's more incriminating evidence.
B: Like, for instance, say, uh,
B: and also, too, I think I'm, I'm tempering this and the fact that the consequences are much more, uh, serious in a criminal case.
A: Well, do you think that, that in a civil case, if there was majority rule, that it would be easy for someone to be set up?
B: Um, well, I really can't say for certain, truth be known.
B: Uh, as it stands, there's, there's many ways and means by which a person can be set up, both, uh, in a uh, civil and criminal case.
B: I mean, the, uh, documentary, the THIN BLUE LINE pretty much demonstrated that.
B: You know, I don't know for, if you're familiar with that or not.
A: No,
A: I'm not.
B: A, uh, fellow when he was much younger, uh, was tried and convicted and sentenced to death.
B: Fortunately, in his case, the death penalty was revoked
B: and, uh, so he served out his, his sentence until it was discovered by a fellow who was making a documentary called the THIN BLUE LINE that this guy had basically gotten railroaded through the judicial system.
B: The case was reopened
B: and he was exonerated.
A: Well, I mean, I think that there are many cases in our judicial system where justice is not served.
B: Yeah,
B: many laws, but little justice.
A: Say,
A: but, uh,
A: and I also think, just like you were talking about before, why you were chosen to be on a jury that, uh, the, just, the process of picking jurors is not always objective.
B: Oh, certainly not,
B: certainly not.
B: And you know, they like to think that they're getting someone who's objective in all this,
B: but they're really looking for someone who will pretty much fulfill the lawyers' desires.
B: You know, the,
B: because you get up
B: and, and they ask you a few questions,
B: both sides do,
B: and then you, you're either challenged which is,
B: you know, each attorney can use that as much as they like
B: or, I think it's a limit now,
B: they probably have a limit now,
B: but, they pretty much go through that,
B: and then you have to give a reason to the court why you can't serve.
B: For me, it was financial hardship,
B: so. But, onto the thing, uh, I was never aware that juries had any say on recommending sentencing.
B: It was always my impression that the Justice himself, or herself, had the final say.
A: Okay,
A: so I guess it starts recording now.
B: Okay.
A: Okay.
A: I don't know, really know that much about the recycling in this area that we're in.
A: We live in the Saginaw area.
B: Saginaw?
A: Uh-huh.
A: And I'm not real familiar with, uh, anything that,
A: I,
A: fact as far as I know, the school doesn't have any kind of programs or anything out here. And, uh, or the grocery store or anything in this area,
B: Really?
A: yeah.
B: The
B: we live in Plano
B: and they started off recycling by, uh, putting the,
B: I think at each Wal-Mart, they had some recycling dumpsters and things like that, which now,
B: I guess the, uh, city is, has bought the big green trash cans
B: and, uh, we, they have a recycling truck that comes around now
B: and you separate your glass and paper and, uh, aluminum
A: Uh-huh.
B: and you set it out
B: and they pick it up
B: and it, it works real neat.
B: They seem to be having a real good response.
A: Really?
B: So,
A: That is pretty good.
A: I'm, we're originally from another state
A: and I know in the state we were from that they did that similar type thing.
A: The city brought ought, you know, set separate trash cans
A: and you separated your stuff
A: and you put it in there
A: and they took it, you know.
B: Did they, did they, like on bottles, did they give you a so many cents back for for cans
A: I don't really know.
A: I don't really know,
A: they, they started after we moved down here
A: and so I, I'm not really familiar.
B: Yeah.
A: I just know that, uh, my in-laws up in, up in Oklahoma, that's how they do, you know, they pick it up,
A: but I don't know if they get a, get anything back on it
A: or, do you get money for it?
B: No,
B: I just, I noticed it
B: Iowa and other cities like that, it's a nickel per aluminum can.
A: Oh.
B: So you don't see too many thrown out around the streets. Or even bottles.
A: Really
B: You know, all kinds of bottles they, they, they really charge people to, I guess when you purchase them and, and then when you turn them back in.
A: Right.
B: I I remember the old days as a kid where bottle was a nickel.
A: Right.
A: And now, now most of them are throwaway.
B: Right.
B: So, maybe that's one thing they can do.
A: I think now they're a lot more expensive than that.
A: Uh, I bought some Cokes the other day in the the little bottles you know,
B: Uh-huh.
A: and I think the bottles were like, I know they were at least ten cents apiece.
A: I to at home,