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This brings up an interesting point, Joe Davidson.	this brings up, an interesting point joe	This brings up an interesting point Joe	this brings up an interesting point, joe davidson.
Either you're on the side of Wal-Mart and saying, `Look, I can limit whatever employers I want,' or you're on the part of labor saying, `We've got to unionize and pay these workers more money.' You can't serve both of them.	either you're, on the side of wal-mart and saying `look i can limit whatever employers i want' or you're on, the part, of labor saying `we've got to unionize and pay these workers more money' you can't serve both of	Either you're on the, side of Wal-Mart and saying `Look I can limit whatever employers, I want' or you're on the. part of labor saying `We've got to unionize and pay these workers more money' You can't serve both of.	either you're on the side of wal-mart and saying, `look, i can limit whatever employers i want,' or you're on the part of labor saying, `we've got to unionize and pay these workers more money.' you can't serve both of them.
All right. Hang on, guys. Joe Davidson, this brings up an interesting point and that's the catch-22 that often you find yourself at this crossroads and that is whether or not you can be, in the case of what Joseph Phillips is suggesting, pro-corporate America, pro-business and pro-labor. Do you s...	all, right hang on guys joe davidson this brings, up an interesting point and that's the catch-22 that often you find yourself; at this crossroads and that is whether or not you can be. in the case of what, joseph phillips. is suggesting pro-corporate america pro-business and pro-labor, do you se...	All right Hang on guys Joe Davidson. this brings up an interesting point and that's the catch-22 that often you find yourself at this crossroads and that is whether, or not you can be in the case of what Joseph, Phillips is suggesting pro-corporate America pro-business and pro-labor Do you see th...	all right. hang on, guys. joe davidson, this brings up an interesting point and that's the catch-22 that often you find yourself at this crossroads and that is whether or not you can be, in the case of what joseph phillips is suggesting, pro-corporate america, pro-business and pro-labor. do you s...
Well, I think there are probably some overlapping points of agreement, but clearly there are also wide gulfs between the two. I do agree with Joseph Phillips when he said that to the extent that the Republican Party can speak to the issues of the working man and woman on issues such as retirement a...	well i think there, are probably some. overlapping points of agreement but clearly there, are also wide gulfs, between the two i do agree with joseph phillips when he said that to, the extent that the republican party can speak to the, issues of. the working man and woman on issues such as retireme...	Well I think there are probably some overlapping, points of agreement but clearly there are also wide. gulfs between the two I do agree with, Joseph Phillips when he said, that to the extent that the Republican Party can speak to the issues of the working man and. woman on issues such as retirement...	well, i think there are probably some overlapping points of agreement, but clearly there are also wide gulfs between the two. i do agree with joseph phillips when he said that to the extent that the republican party can speak to the issues of the working man and woman on issues such as retirement a...
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George Curry, does it matter at all if the AFL-CIO splinters, if you will, and we don't see this large national umbrella union federation?	george curry does it matter at all if the afl-cio splinters. if you will and we, don't. see. this large national umbrella union	George Curry does it matter at all if the AFL-CIO splinters if you will; and we don't see this large. national umbrella union	george curry, does it matter at all if the afl-cio splinters, if you will, and we don't see this large national umbrella union federation?
To the extent that it will not speak with one voice and, therefore, will not have the same clout, so I think that's one of the problems. But as I said earlier--I believe it was Monday--that basically what we see is a shrinking number of workers who have been represented by unions, and that's their ...	to the extent that it will not speak with one voice and therefore will not have the same clout so i think that's one of. the problems but as. i said earlier--i believe it was monday--that basically what we, see is a shrinking number of workers who have been represented by unions and that's their la...	To the. extent that it will not speak with one voice and therefore will, not have the same clout so I think that's one of the problems But as I said earlier--I. believe it was Monday--that basically what we see is; a shrinking number of workers who have been represented by unions and that's their l...	to the extent that it will not speak with one voice and, therefore, will not have the same clout, so i think that's one of the problems. but as i said earlier--i believe it was monday--that basically what we see is a shrinking number of workers who have been represented by unions, and that's their ...
All right. Let's turn our attention to something that happened over the course of the last couple of days, and that is President Bush is suggesting that he's going to continue to seek more funding from faith-based charities. The interesting point here is he made this pledge to a group of 17 black ...	all right, let's turn our attention to something that happened over the course of the last couple of days, and that is president bush is suggesting that, he's going to, continue to seek more funding. from faith-based, charities the interesting point here is he made this pledge to a group. of 17 bl...	All right. Let's turn our attention to something that happened over the course of the, last couple of days and that is President Bush is suggesting that he's going to continue to seek more funding from faith-based charities The interesting point here; is he made this pledge to a group of 17 black ...	all right. let's turn our attention to something that happened over the course of the last couple of days, and that is president bush is suggesting that he's going to continue to seek more funding from faith-based charities. the interesting point here is he made this pledge to a group of 17 black ...
Well, I think it makes total sense for the president to reach out to whatever number or whatever group of black people he can find who are supportive of his policies. He wants to promote that image. I think it makes perfect sense from his point of view and the Republican Party's point of view. But ...	well i think. it makes total sense for the president to reach out to whatever number or whatever group of black people he can find who. are supportive of his policies; he wants to promote that image i think it makes perfect sense from his point of view and the republican. party's point of view but ...	Well I think it makes total sense for the. president to reach out to; whatever number or whatever group of black people he, can find who are supportive of his policies He wants to promote that, image I think it makes perfect sense from his point of view and the Republican Party's point of. view, Bu...	well, i think it makes total sense for the president to reach out to whatever number or whatever group of black people he can find who are supportive of his policies. he wants to promote that image. i think it makes perfect sense from his point of view and the republican party's point of view. but ...
So, Joseph Phillips, take the other side of that coin that will suggest that if, in fact, these 17 ministers are strategic enough not to give him clearly an overwhelming number of black supporters but enough to shore up what Republicans may see as a close vote, can this be looked at with a jaundiced...	so joseph phillips take the other side of that coin that will suggest that; if. in fact these 17 ministers, are strategic enough not to, give him clearly an overwhelming number of black supporters. but. enough to shore up what republicans may see as a close vote can this be looked at with a jaundice...	So Joseph Phillips take; the other side of, that coin, that will suggest that if in fact these 17 ministers are strategic enough not to give him clearly an overwhelming number of black supporters but enough to shore up what Republicans. may see as a close vote can this be looked at with a jaundiced....	so, joseph phillips, take the other side of that coin that will suggest that if, in fact, these 17 ministers are strategic enough not to give him clearly an overwhelming number of black supporters but enough to shore up what republicans may see as a close vote, can this be looked at with a jaundiced...
You know, Ed, I'm sorry. I just--I think that that's kind of a really negative view of all of this. Look, the Republican Party, President Bush in particular, is reaching out to the black community. You walk through the community and people have said for years and years, `They don't come talk to us...	you know ed i'm. sorry i just--i think that that's kind of a really negative view of all of this look the republican party president bush in. particular is reaching out to the black community you, walk through the community and people have said. for years and. years `they don't come talk to, us th...	You know Ed; I'm sorry I just--I think. that that's kind of a really negative view of all of this Look the Republican, Party President Bush in particular is reaching out to the. black community You; walk through the community and people have said for, years and years `They don't come talk to us th...	you know, ed, i'm sorry. i just--i think that that's kind of a really negative view of all of this. look, the republican party, president bush in particular, is reaching out to the black community. you walk through the community and people have said for years and years, `they don't come talk to us...
This is a part of our country's history at a point when we had only just recently gained our independence, and where our nation relied very heavily upon our naval vessels as well as our ability to transport goods across water. And that really was a defining feature of who we were and how we were going to become the nat...	this is a part of our country's history at a point when we had. only just recently, gained our independence and where our nation relied very heavily, upon our naval vessels, as. well as. our ability to transport goods. across water and that really was a defining feature of who we were and how we were going to. become t...	This is a part, of our country's, history at a point when we had, only just recently gained our independence and where, our nation relied very heavily upon our naval vessels as, well as our ability to. transport goods across water And that really was a. defining feature of who we were and how we were going to become th...	this is a part of our country's history at a point when we had only just recently gained our independence, and where our nation relied very heavily upon our naval vessels as well as our ability to transport goods across water. and that really was a defining feature of who we were and how we were going to become the nat...
More specifically, when you talk about trying to increase money for faith-based programs, to me this is not about reaching out and trying to promise some money to a few ministers. What it's doing is it's saying, `Look, in a lot of these communities, the programs that are working, the programs that ...	more specifically when you talk about trying to. increase. money for faith-based programs to me this is not about. reaching out and trying to promise. some money to a few ministers what it's doing is, it's saying `look in a lot of these communities the programs that are working the, programs that a...	More specifically when you talk about trying to increase money. for faith-based programs to me this is not about reaching out. and trying to promise some money. to. a few ministers What it's doing is it's saying `Look in a, lot of these communities the programs that are working the programs that ar...	more specifically, when you talk about trying to increase money for faith-based programs, to me this is not about reaching out and trying to promise some money to a few ministers. what it's doing is it's saying, `look, in a lot of these communities, the programs that are working, the programs that ...
All right. George Curry, pick up on that point.	all right george curry pick up on that	All. right George Curry pick up on that	all right. george curry, pick up on that point.
And encouraging corporate dollars to come to programs that work I think is a good thing.	and encouraging corporate dollars, to come to programs that work i think is a good,	And, encouraging; corporate dollars to come to, programs that work I, think is, a. good	and encouraging corporate dollars to come to programs that work i think is a good thing.
George Curry, pick up on that point, that here is possibly a man who is now, as Joseph C. Phillips suggested, rather than giving rhetoric walking the walk and perhaps black America, those that are critical of this, just aren't used to this coming from Republicans, perhaps even Democrats, and are jus...	george curry pick; up on, that point that, here is possibly a man who is now as joseph. c phillips suggested rather than giving rhetoric walking, the walk and perhaps black america those that are critical, of this. just aren't used to this coming, from republicans perhaps even democrats and are just...	George Curry pick up on that; point; that here is possibly a man who is now as Joseph C Phillips suggested rather; than giving rhetoric walking, the walk and, perhaps black America those that are critical of this just aren't used to this coming from Republicans perhaps even Democrats and are just. s...	george curry, pick up on that point, that here is possibly a man who is now, as joseph c. phillips suggested, rather than giving rhetoric walking the walk and perhaps black america, those that are critical of this, just aren't used to this coming from republicans, perhaps even democrats, and are jus...
That's a smoke screen. Look, this question is not whether you address the issues of importance to African-Americans. The question is how you address them. You don't go and oppose affirmative action in the Supreme Court, the University of Michigan case. You don't oppose--you don't nominate Judge ...	that's a smoke. screen look this question is not whether you address the issues. of importance to african-americans the question. is how you address them you don't, go. and oppose affirmative action; in the supreme court the university of michigan case you don't oppose--you don't nominate judge ...	That's a smoke screen Look this question is not whether you. address the issues of importance, to African-Americans The question is how you address, them You don't go and oppose affirmative; action in the Supreme, Court the. University of. Michigan case You don't oppose--you don't nominate Judge...	that's a smoke screen. look, this question is not whether you address the issues of importance to african-americans. the question is how you address them. you don't go and oppose affirmative action in the supreme court, the university of michigan case. you don't oppose--you don't nominate judge ...
Oh, come on.	oh. come	Oh, come	oh, come on.
Hold on, Joe.	hold on	Hold on	hold on, joe.
Appointing Judge Roberts is hostile to the black community?	appointing judge roberts is hostile. to the black	Appointing Judge Roberts is hostile to the black	appointing judge roberts is hostile to the black community?
In this case...	in this	In this	in this case...
Hang on, Joe. Hang on, Joe. Let him finish.	hang on joe hang on joe let him	Hang on Joe Hang on. Joe Let; him	hang on, joe. hang on, joe. let him finish.
I didn't interrupt you. I want to finish my point. In this case, you're politicizing this whole process. Catholic Charities and a lot of these groups have been doing tremendous work. They don't need the federal government to come in and tell them how to do things or need the involvement. This ha...	i didn't interrupt you i want to, finish my point, in this case. you're politicizing this whole process catholic charities and a lot of these groups have been doing tremendous work they don't need the federal government. to come in and tell them how. to, do things or need the involvement this ha...	I didn't interrupt. you I want to finish my point In this case you're. politicizing. this whole process Catholic Charities, and a lot of these groups; have been doing tremendous work They don't need. the federal government to come in and, tell; them how to do things, or need, the involvement Thi...	i didn't interrupt you. i want to finish my point. in this case, you're politicizing this whole process. catholic charities and a lot of these groups have been doing tremendous work. they don't need the federal government to come in and tell them how to do things or need the involvement. this ha...
Joe, you wanted to say?	joe you wanted to	Joe you wanted to	joe, you wanted to say?
No, well, I clearly disagree.	no well i clearly	No well, I clearly	no, well, i clearly disagree.
Well, of course, you would. You can't ...(unintelligible)	well of course you would you can't	Well of course you would You can't	well, of course, you would. you can't ...(unintelligible)
Hang on, George. Let him finish. Go ahead, Joe.	hang on george let him finish go ahead.	Hang on George Let him finish Go ahead.	hang on, george. let him finish. go ahead, joe.
I lost my train of thought.	i. lost my train of	I lost. my train of	i lost my train of thought.
All right.	all	All	all right.
I just clearly disagree, and I think that George is spouting a lot of Democratic talking points. Judge Roberts is hostile to the black community? I'd like to see some proof of that. Encouraging groups that are actually doing work in the community is hostile to the black community?	i just clearly disagree and i think that george is, spouting a lot of democratic, talking points judge roberts is hostile to, the black community? i'd like to see, some, proof of that encouraging groups that are actually doing work in. the community is hostile to the black	I just clearly disagree and I think; that George is spouting a lot of, Democratic talking points Judge Roberts is hostile to. the black community? I'd like to. see some proof of that Encouraging groups that are actually doing work in the community is hostile to the black,	i just clearly disagree, and i think that george is spouting a lot of democratic talking points. judge roberts is hostile to the black community? i'd like to see some proof of that. encouraging groups that are actually doing work in the community is hostile to the black community?
All right. Let me see if I can keep this on point.	all right let me see if i can. keep this on	All right Let me see if I can keep this on	all right. let me see if i can keep this on point.
That doesn't make any sense.	that doesn't make any	That doesn't make any	that doesn't make any sense.
Joe Davidson, let me ask you this. As relates to the argument here, can you have, as we debated just a moment ago, a way to be pro-business and pro-labor? In this instance, can you have one political view, as George Curry is suggesting, yet have a different social agenda and make the two--or meld ...	joe, davidson let me ask you this as relates to the. argument here, can you have as, we debated just a moment ago a, way to be pro-business and pro-labor? in this. instance can you have one political view as george curry is, suggesting yet have a different social agenda and make, the two--or meld ...	Joe Davidson let me ask you, this As relates to the. argument here can you have as we. debated just, a moment; ago a way to be pro-business and pro-labor? In this instance can you have one political view. as George Curry is suggesting yet have a different social, agenda and make the two--or meld t...	joe davidson, let me ask you this. as relates to the argument here, can you have, as we debated just a moment ago, a way to be pro-business and pro-labor? in this instance, can you have one political view, as george curry is suggesting, yet have a different social agenda and make the two--or meld ...
Well, I think that there are significant gaps between, like, the business and labor side of the political spectrum. I mean, we can talk about trying to seek agreement on broad issues of health care, for example, but I think that with corporations cutting back on health-care plans for those who are ...	well i think that there are. significant gaps between like the business and labor side, of the political spectrum, i mean we can talk about trying to seek agreement on, broad issues of health care for example but i think that with corporations cutting, back. on health-care. plans for those who are ...	Well, I think that there are significant gaps between, like the business and labor side of, the political spectrum I mean we can talk about trying. to seek agreement on broad issues of health care for example but I think that with corporations cutting. back on health-care, plans for those who are. ...	well, i think that there are significant gaps between, like, the business and labor side of the political spectrum. i mean, we can talk about trying to seek agreement on broad issues of health care, for example, but i think that with corporations cutting back on health-care plans for those who are ...
All right. Let me turn our attention to something with just a few more minutes to go, but we've been promising this story, and often it gets bumped by virtue of interesting conversation like we're having right now, but I want to make sure we get to it. And it kind of speaks to the changing of the ...	all right let me turn our attention. to something with just a few more minutes to go but we've been. promising; this story and often it gets bumped by virtue of, interesting conversation like we're having right now but i. want to. make sure we get to it, and it kind of speaks to, the. changing of ...	All, right Let me turn our attention to something with. just a few more minutes, to go but we've been promising this story and often it gets bumped by virtue of interesting conversation like we're having right now but I want to make sure we, get, to it And it kind of speaks to the changing of the ...	all right. let me turn our attention to something with just a few more minutes to go, but we've been promising this story, and often it gets bumped by virtue of interesting conversation like we're having right now, but i want to make sure we get to it. and it kind of speaks to the changing of the ...
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From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Michele Norris.	from npr news, this is all things considered, i'm. michele	From NPR News this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED I'm Michele	from npr news, this is all things considered. i'm michele norris.
Not really a surprise, and I think people are probably reading too much into it because the slogan certainly was not associated with anything flavorful when you're talking about eating. You've been basically talking about urban rebellion. And, you know, you can take this stuff too seriously or you...	not really a surprise and i think people are probably reading too much into it because the. slogan certainly was not, associated with anything flavorful when you're talking about eating you've, been basically talking about urban rebellion and you know you can take this stuff too seriously or you c...	Not, really a surprise and I think people are probably reading too much, into it because the slogan certainly was not associated, with anything. flavorful when, you're talking about eating You've been basically talking about, urban rebellion And you know you can take this, stuff too seriously or y...	not really a surprise, and i think people are probably reading too much into it because the slogan certainly was not associated with anything flavorful when you're talking about eating. you've been basically talking about urban rebellion. and, you know, you can take this stuff too seriously or you...
Well, you know, it's interesting that the Philadelphia Inquirer editorialized on this last Friday, and they said that there might be other slogans that come into use, such as `crazy love' could be used to market one of those prescription drugs for sexual dysfunction. `Hell no, we won't go' might wor...	well you know it's interesting, that. the philadelphia inquirer. editorialized on this last friday and they said that there; might be other slogans that, come into use, such as `crazy love' could be used to market one of those, prescription drugs for sexual dysfunction `hell no we won't go' might wo...	Well, you know it's interesting that the Philadelphia Inquirer editorialized. on this last Friday and they. said that there might be other slogans that, come into use such as `crazy love' could be used to market one of those prescription drugs for sexual dysfunction `Hell no we won't go' might work ...	well, you know, it's interesting that the philadelphia inquirer editorialized on this last friday, and they said that there might be other slogans that come into use, such as `crazy love' could be used to market one of those prescription drugs for sexual dysfunction. `hell no, we won't go' might wor...