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This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Neal Conan in Washington. | this is talk of the. nation i'm neal conan in | This is TALK OF, THE NATION I'm Neal Conan in | this is talk of the nation. i'm neal conan in washington. |
Here are headlines from some of the stories we're following here today at NPR News. A military judge today dismissed terrorism-related charges against one detainee in Guantanamo Bay charged with killing an American soldier in Afghanistan. The ruling throws into doubt dozens of other cases. And 10 Republican presidentia... | here, are headlines from some of the stories we're. following; here today, at npr. news a military judge, today dismissed terrorism-related charges against one detainee in guantanamo bay charged with killing an. american soldier in. afghanistan the ruling throws into doubt dozens of other cases and 10 republican, presi... | Here are headlines from some of the stories we're following here today, at NPR News A. military judge today dismissed terrorism-related charges. against one detainee in Guantanamo Bay charged with killing an. American soldier in, Afghanistan The ruling throws into doubt dozens of other. cases And 10 Republican presiden... | here are headlines from some of the stories we're following here today at npr news. a military judge today dismissed terrorism-related charges against one detainee in guantanamo bay charged with killing an american soldier in afghanistan. the ruling throws into doubt dozens of other cases. and 10 republican presidentia... |
Tomorrow on TALK OF THE NATION, "Richistan" author Robert Frank guides us through the parallel world of the new rich and their conspicuous consumption and performance philanthropy. "Richistan", tomorrow on TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | tomorrow on. talk of the nation "richistan" author. robert frank guides us. through the parallel world of the new rich and their conspicuous consumption, and performance philanthropy. "richistan", tomorrow on talk, of the. nation from npr | Tomorrow. on TALK OF THE NATION "Richistan" author Robert Frank guides us through the parallel world of the new rich and their. conspicuous consumption and performance philanthropy "Richistan", tomorrow on TALK OF THE NATION, from NPR | tomorrow on talk of the nation, "richistan" author robert frank guides us through the parallel world of the new rich and their conspicuous consumption and performance philanthropy. "richistan", tomorrow on talk of the nation from npr news. |
The writer Mark Harris passed away on Friday at the age of 84. He was a professor of English, wrote non-fiction and 50 novels. He will be best remembered for four books about baseball pitcher Henry Wiggen who played for the fictional New York Mammoths in the South Pole. "Bang the Drums Slowly", "A Ticket for a Seam Sti... | the writer mark harris passed away on friday at the age of 84. he was a professor of english wrote non-fiction and 50 novels he will be best remembered for four; books about baseball pitcher henry wiggen who played for. the fictional new. york mammoths in the south pole "bang, the drums slowly", "a ticket for a seam, s... | The writer Mark Harris passed away on Friday at the age of 84. He, was a professor of English wrote non-fiction and 50 novels He will be best remembered. for four books about baseball pitcher, Henry Wiggen who, played for, the fictional New York Mammoths in the, South Pole "Bang the Drums Slowly", "A Ticket for a Seam ... | the writer mark harris passed away on friday at the age of 84. he was a professor of english, wrote non-fiction and 50 novels. he will be best remembered for four books about baseball pitcher henry wiggen who played for the fictional new york mammoths in the south pole. "bang the drums slowly", "a ticket for a seam sti... |
In 1973, "Bang the Drum Slowly" was adapted into a movie of the same name. It's about a catcher named Bruce Pearson played by Robert De Niro who tells no one that he has Hodgkin's disease until Henry Wiggen, the pitcher played by Michael Moriarty finds him in the hospital. | in 1973, "bang the drum slowly" was adapted into a movie of the same name it's about a catcher named bruce pearson played by robert de. niro who tells no one that he has hodgkin's disease until henry wiggen the pitcher played by, michael moriarty finds him in the | In 1973, "Bang the Drum Slowly" was adapted into, a movie of the same name It's about a catcher named Bruce Pearson played by Robert. De Niro who tells no one that he has. Hodgkin's disease until Henry Wiggen the pitcher; played by Michael Moriarty finds him in the | in 1973, "bang the drum slowly" was adapted into a movie of the same name. it's about a catcher named bruce pearson played by robert de niro who tells no one that he has hodgkin's disease until henry wiggen, the pitcher played by michael moriarty finds him in the hospital. |
(Soundbite of movie "Bang the Drum Slowly") | (soundbite of movie "bang the drum | (Soundbite of movie, "Bang the Drum | (soundbite of movie "bang the drum slowly") |
(As Henry Wiggen) I'm really sorry to woke you. I was hoping it wouldn't happen in bed. I was hoping it wouldn't happen this time. Make it back to you another time. | (as henry wiggen) i'm really sorry. to woke you i was hoping it wouldn't happen in bed i was hoping, it, wouldn't happen this time make it back to you another | (As Henry Wiggen) I'm really sorry to woke you I was hoping it. wouldn't happen in, bed I was hoping it. wouldn't happen this time; Make it, back to. you another | (as henry wiggen) i'm really sorry to woke you. i was hoping it wouldn't happen in bed. i was hoping it wouldn't happen this time. make it back to you another time. |
(As Bruce Pearson) No, there's not going to be another time. | (as bruce pearson) no there's not, going to be another | (As Bruce Pearson) No there's, not going, to be another. | (as bruce pearson) no, there's not going to be another time. |
Immigration reform has been moved from Washington's front-burner to the back of the stove over the past year and a half. Republicans and Democrats insist it is still a priority, but it's hard to spot much progress. Still, Chuck Schumer persists. The Democratic senator from New York sponsored the comprehensive bipartisa... | immigration reform has. been moved from washington's front-burner, to the back of. the, stove over the past year, and a half, republicans and democrats insist it is still a priority but it's hard to spot much; progress still chuck schumer persists the democratic senator from new york sponsored the comprehensive biparti... | Immigration reform has been moved from Washington's front-burner to. the back of the stove over the, past year and a half Republicans and Democrats insist it is still a priority, but it's hard to spot much progress Still Chuck, Schumer persists The Democratic senator from New York sponsored the, comprehensive bipartisa... | immigration reform has been moved from washington's front-burner to the back of the stove over the past year and a half. republicans and democrats insist it is still a priority, but it's hard to spot much progress. still, chuck schumer persists. the democratic senator from new york sponsored the comprehensive bipartisa... |
My pleasure. | my | My | my pleasure. |
So, I wanted to start by just asking you about the speaker of the House, John Boehner. He basically said that immigration reform is not happening his year. So, is that bad? | so i wanted to start by just asking you about the speaker of the house john boehner he basically said that immigration reform; is not happening his year so is that | So I wanted to, start, by just asking you about the speaker of the House John Boehner, He basically said, that. immigration reform is not happening his; year So, is that | so, i wanted to start by just asking you about the speaker of the house, john boehner. he basically said that immigration reform is not happening his year. so, is that bad? |
I think it is bad for it not to happen. Our system is very broken. The CBO said that if we passed immigration reform, GDP would go up 3.5 percent. | i think it is; bad for it not to happen our system is very, broken the cbo said that if we; passed immigration reform gdp, would go up | I. think it is bad for it. not to happen Our system is very broken The CBO said that if we passed immigration reform GDP would go up | i think it is bad for it not to happen. our system is very broken. the cbo said that if we passed immigration reform, gdp would go up 3.5 percent. |
This is the Congressional Budget Office we say, senator. | this. is, the congressional budget office, we say, | This is the Congressional Budget Office we say | this is the congressional budget office we say, senator. |
The Congressional Budget Office. That's more than any Republican tax cut program or any Democratic spending program, and it makes sense. You bring immigrants out of the shadows. You allow people to come into this country who will be really productive, and they're going to work hard and grow the economy and create good-... | the congressional budget office. that's more than. any republican tax cut program. or any democratic spending program and it makes sense you bring immigrants out of the, shadows you allow people to come into this country who will. be really productive and they're going. to work hard and grow. the economy and create goo... | The Congressional Budget Office That's more, than any Republican tax; cut program or any Democratic spending. program and it makes sense You bring immigrants out of the shadows You allow people to come into this country who will be really productive and they're. going, to work hard and grow the economy and create good-... | the congressional budget office. that's more than any republican tax cut program or any democratic spending program, and it makes sense. you bring immigrants out of the shadows. you allow people to come into this country who will be really productive, and they're going to work hard and grow the economy and create good-... |
But if the speaker of the House is basically saying it's not happening, how much energy is it worth putting into this year? | but if the speaker of the house is basically saying it's not happening how much energy is it worth putting. into this | But if the. speaker of the House is basically saying it's not happening how much energy is it worth putting into this | but if the speaker of the house is basically saying it's not happening, how much energy is it worth putting into this year? |
Well, he has said it's happening, it's not happening, it's not happening, it's happening. He made a good effort to try. And the unfortunate part of it was the timing. He had to go over the hard right of his party on the debt ceiling. And I don't think - I think he felt he couldn't say I'm also going to do immigration. ... | well he has said it's happening it's not happening it's not happening it's happening he made. a good effort to try and the unfortunate. part of it was the timing he had to go over the, hard right. of his party on the debt ceiling and i. don't think - i think he felt he couldn't say i'm also. going to do, immigration bu... | Well he has said it's happening it's; not happening it's not, happening it's happening He made a good effort to, try And the unfortunate part of it was the. timing He had to go over the hard right of his party on the debt ceiling; And I don't think - I think he felt. he couldn't say I'm also going to do immigration; Bu... | well, he has said it's happening, it's not happening, it's not happening, it's happening. he made a good effort to try. and the unfortunate part of it was the timing. he had to go over the hard right of his party on the debt ceiling. and i don't think - i think he felt he couldn't say i'm also going to do immigration. ... |
One of the essential arguments from Republicans is that they don't trust President Barack Obama to enforce immigration laws. And you threw out a possible solution to that: pass the bill now, wait until Obama's out of office to implement it. Now, you're one of the president's key allies in Congress. Do you worry that th... | one of the essential arguments from republicans is that they don't trust president. barack obama to enforce immigration laws and you threw out a possible solution to that: pass the bill now wait until obama's, out of, office to implement it now you're one of the. president's. key, allies in congress do you worry that t... | One of the essential arguments; from Republicans is that they don't trust President Barack Obama to enforce immigration laws And you threw out a possible solution to that: pass the bill now wait until. Obama's out of office to implement it Now you're one of the president's key. allies in Congress Do you worry that that... | one of the essential arguments from republicans is that they don't trust president barack obama to enforce immigration laws. and you threw out a possible solution to that: pass the bill now, wait until obama's out of office to implement it. now, you're one of the president's key allies in congress. do you worry that th... |
No. And I don't think they did, either. Look, I believe the president's been very good at enforcing the law. Much to the chagrin of many on the more liberal side, he's deported double the number of people Bush had. So I think this is an excuse for many. But what I wanted to do is call their bluff. OK. You don't think t... | no and i don't think they did either; look i, believe the president's been very good at enforcing the law much to, the chagrin, of many; on the more liberal, side he's deported double the number; of people bush had so i think this is an, excuse for many but what. i wanted to do is call their bluff. ok you; don't think ... | No And I don't think they did either Look I believe the president's been very good at enforcing; the law Much to, the chagrin of, many on the more liberal side he's deported double, the number of people Bush had So I think this is an excuse for many But what I wanted to, do is call their bluff. OK You don't think that ... | no. and i don't think they did, either. look, i believe the president's been very good at enforcing the law. much to the chagrin of many on the more liberal side, he's deported double the number of people bush had. so i think this is an excuse for many. but what i wanted to do is call their bluff. ok. you don't think t... |
Let me ask you about this midterm election year. | let me ask you about this midterm election | Let me ask you about this midterm election | let me ask you about this midterm election year. |
And by the way, you could use that argument we shouldn't pass any laws. If you don't believe a president will enforce laws, don't pass any. I mean, it's such a bogus argument. But if my solution helps deal with it, fine. | and by the way you could use that argument we shouldn't pass any. laws if you don't believe a president will enforce laws don't, pass any. i mean it's such. a bogus argument but if my solution helps deal with it | And by the. way you could use that argument we shouldn't, pass any laws If you don't believe; a president will enforce laws don't pass any I mean it's such a, bogus argument But if my solution helps deal with it | and by the way, you could use that argument we shouldn't pass any laws. if you don't believe a president will enforce laws, don't pass any. i mean, it's such a bogus argument. but if my solution helps deal with it, fine. |
Let me, if I may, ask you about this midterm election year. There are some pretty vulnerable Democrats in the Senate, in large part because of a lot of anger in this country about Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act. How is your party going to deal with that anger and criticism out there? | let me if i may ask. you about. this midterm election year there are, some pretty vulnerable democrats in the senate in large part because of a lot of anger in this country about obamacare the affordable care act how is your party going to deal with that anger and; criticism out | Let me if I may ask you about this midterm election year There are some pretty vulnerable Democrats in the Senate in large part because of a lot of. anger in this country. about. Obamacare the Affordable Care Act How is your party going to deal with that anger and criticism out | let me, if i may, ask you about this midterm election year. there are some pretty vulnerable democrats in the senate, in large part because of a lot of anger in this country about obamacare, the affordable care act. how is your party going to deal with that anger and criticism out there? |
Well, I think there are two ways I'd answer that. First, on Obamacare itself, I think the positives will get better in the sense that people are learning that this is working. In New York state, we have more people on the exchanges than we are projected to have, because we have a lot of competition. Many, many people -... | well i think there are two ways i'd answer that. first on obamacare itself. i think, the positives will get better in the sense that people are learning that this is working in new york state we have more people, on the exchanges than, we are projected to have because we have a lot of competition many many, people - a ... | Well, I think there are two ways I'd answer that First on Obamacare itself I think the positives will get better in the sense that people are learning that this is, working In New York state we have more, people on the exchanges than we are projected to have because we have a lot; of competition Many many people - a la... | well, i think there are two ways i'd answer that. first, on obamacare itself, i think the positives will get better in the sense that people are learning that this is working. in new york state, we have more people on the exchanges than we are projected to have, because we have a lot of competition. many, many people -... |
But it's Obamacare that's on the mind of a lot of voters right now. I mean, we had a recent piece in Louisiana where we heard from people saying that they like Democratic incumbent Mary Landrieu - one of your colleagues - you know, and they'd vote for her if she hadn't voted for the Affordable Care Act. | but it's obamacare that's on the mind of a lot of voters right now i mean we had a recent piece in louisiana. where we heard from people saying that they like democratic incumbent mary landrieu, - one of. your colleagues - you know and they'd vote for her if she hadn't voted for the affordable care | But it's Obamacare that's on the mind of a lot. of voters right now I mean we had. a recent piece in Louisiana where we heard from people saying that they like Democratic incumbent Mary Landrieu - one of your colleagues - you know and they'd vote for her if, she hadn't voted for; the Affordable Care | but it's obamacare that's on the mind of a lot of voters right now. i mean, we had a recent piece in louisiana where we heard from people saying that they like democratic incumbent mary landrieu - one of your colleagues - you know, and they'd vote for her if she hadn't voted for the affordable care act. |
I would tell you if Mary Landrieu does what she continues to do - talk about getting the middle-class moving again - that will be more important than Obamacare in her election, and she will prevail. | i would tell you if mary landrieu does what. she continues to do - talk about getting the middle-class moving again - that will be more important than obamacare in her election and she will | I would tell you if Mary Landrieu does what she continues to do - talk about getting the, middle-class. moving again - that will be more; important than Obamacare. in her election and she will. | i would tell you if mary landrieu does what she continues to do - talk about getting the middle-class moving again - that will be more important than obamacare in her election, and she will prevail. |
It's a matter of changing the conversation out there, you're saying. | it's a matter of changing the conversation out there you're | It's a matter of changing the, conversation out there you're | it's a matter of changing the conversation out there, you're saying. |
I think, yes, it's a matter of we are changing the conversation as we're going to bring a whole series of bills to the floor that affect middle-class economy. But at the same time, it's what people really feel. | i think yes it's a matter, of we are. changing the conversation as we're going. to bring a whole, series of bills to the floor. that affect middle-class economy. but, at the same time it's what people really | I think yes it's a matter of we are changing the conversation as we're going to bring a whole series of bills to. the floor that affect middle-class economy. But at. the same time it's what people really, | i think, yes, it's a matter of we are changing the conversation as we're going to bring a whole series of bills to the floor that affect middle-class economy. but at the same time, it's what people really feel. |
Senator Schumer, it's great to talk to you. Thanks for the time. We appreciate it. | senator schumer it's great to talk to you thanks for the time we appreciate | Senator Schumer it's, great to talk to you Thanks for the time We appreciate | senator schumer, it's great to talk to you. thanks for the time. we appreciate it. |
Great. Take care. Thank you. | great take, care thank | Great Take care Thank | great. take care. thank you. |
This week, satellite images of Nigeria show the devastation of a recent siege from the Islamic militants known as Boko Haram. The remote community of Baga was destroyed in an attack which began January 3. Hundreds of people were killed, and some reports actually put that death toll up to 2,000. Baga is a fishing town, ... | this week satellite images of nigeria show the devastation of a, recent siege from the islamic militants known as boko haram the remote community of baga was destroyed in an attack, which began january 3. hundreds of people were killed and some reports actually put that death toll up to 2,000. baga is a fishing town bu... | This week satellite images of Nigeria show the devastation of a, recent siege, from. the Islamic militants known as Boko Haram The remote community of Baga was destroyed, in an attack which began January 3. Hundreds of people were killed. and some reports actually put that death toll up. to 2,000. Baga is a fishing tow... | this week, satellite images of nigeria show the devastation of a recent siege from the islamic militants known as boko haram. the remote community of baga was destroyed in an attack which began january 3. hundreds of people were killed, and some reports actually put that death toll up to 2,000. baga is a fishing town, ... |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Help us understand what we're looking at here in these before and after images. | help, us understand what we're looking at; here in these, before and after | Help, us understand what we're looking at here in these, before and, after | help us understand what we're looking at here in these before and after images. |
Ogden is an amazing school. | ogden is an amazing | Ogden is an amazing | ogden is an amazing school. |
(As Henry Wiggen) Probably everybody would be nice to you if they knew you were dying. | (as henry wiggen) probably everybody would be nice to you if they knew you, were | (As Henry Wiggen) Probably everybody would be nice to you if they, knew you. were | (as henry wiggen) probably everybody would be nice to you if they knew you were dying. |
(As Bruce Pearson) Everybody knows everybody's dying. That's what people are scared as they are. | (as bruce pearson) everybody; knows everybody's dying. that's what people are scared as they | (As Bruce Pearson) Everybody knows everybody's dying That's what. people are scared, as they | (as bruce pearson) everybody knows everybody's dying. that's what people are scared as they are. |
(As Henry Wiggen) I'm scared, no (unintelligible) me. | (as henry wiggen) i'm, scared no, | (As Henry Wiggen) I'm scared no. | (as henry wiggen) i'm scared, no (unintelligible) me. |
A scene from "Bang the Drum Slowly", which is based on the novel by Mark Harris who died last week. If you knew Mark Harris, if you've read his book, just give us a call, 800-9989-8255, email talk@npr.org. | a scene from "bang. the drum slowly", which is based on. the novel. by mark harris who died last week. if you, knew mark harris if you've read his book, just give us a call 800-9989-8255, email | A scene from "Bang the Drum Slowly", which is based on the novel by Mark Harris who died, last week If you knew Mark Harris if you've read his book just give us a call 800-9989-8255, email | a scene from "bang the drum slowly", which is based on the novel by mark harris who died last week. if you knew mark harris, if you've read his book, just give us a call, 800-9989-8255, email talk@npr.org. |
Joining us now is Glenn Altschuler, a professor of American Studies at Cornell University. He teaches a seminar on baseball literature. Professor Altschuler, nice to have you back on TALK OF THE NATION. | joining us now is, glenn altschuler a. professor of american studies at cornell university he teaches a seminar on baseball literature professor altschuler nice to. have you back on talk of the | Joining us now is Glenn Altschuler a professor of American Studies at Cornell University He teaches a seminar on baseball, literature Professor Altschuler, nice to have you back on TALK OF THE | joining us now is glenn altschuler, a professor of american studies at cornell university. he teaches a seminar on baseball literature. professor altschuler, nice to have you back on talk of the nation. |
Nice to be with you. | nice to be with | Nice. to be with | nice to be with you. |
And that's a powerful scene from the movie version of the "Bang the Drum Slowly". Tell us a little more about the book. | and that's a powerful scene from the movie version of the "bang the drum slowly". tell us a little more about the. | And that's a powerful scene from the movie version of the "Bang, the. Drum Slowly". Tell us a little more about the | and that's a powerful scene from the movie version of the "bang the drum slowly". tell us a little more about the book. |
Well, the book is a wonderful book. Mark Harris was really the first person to write about baseball - write baseball fiction for adults. And his books explore important subjects about the American values and American society, about race, about aging, and about death. And "Bang the Drum Slowly" brings many of those them... | well, the book is a wonderful book, mark harris was really the first person. to write about baseball - write baseball fiction for adults and his books explore important subjects about the american values and american society about race about aging and, about death and "bang the drum slowly" brings many of those themes ... | Well the book is a wonderful book Mark Harris was. really the first person to write about baseball - write, baseball fiction for adults And his. books explore important subjects about the American values and American society about race about aging and about, death And "Bang the Drum Slowly" brings many; of those themes... | well, the book is a wonderful book. mark harris was really the first person to write about baseball - write baseball fiction for adults. and his books explore important subjects about the american values and american society, about race, about aging, and about death. and "bang the drum slowly" brings many of those them... |
And one of the great last lines in movies from now on, I make fun of nobody. | and one of the, great last lines, in. movies from now. on i make fun of | And one of the great. last lines in movies from now on I make; fun. of; | and one of the great last lines in movies from now on, i make fun of nobody. |
I rag nobody. | i rag | I rag | i rag nobody. |
I rag nobody. Yeah. | i rag nobody | I rag, nobody | i rag nobody. yeah. |
That's what he says and he says earlier on, everybody dies sooner or later and that might be true too, but when it's happening sooner instead of later, you keep worrying about what you say now and how you act now. | that's what he says and he, says earlier on everybody, dies sooner or, later and that might be true too but when it's happening sooner. instead of. later you. keep worrying about what, you say now and how you act | That's. what he says and he says earlier on everybody dies sooner or, later and that might be true. too but; when it's; happening sooner instead of later you keep worrying about what you say now and how you act | that's what he says and he says earlier on, everybody dies sooner or later and that might be true too, but when it's happening sooner instead of later, you keep worrying about what you say now and how you act now. |
The voice of Henry Wiggen, the pitcher. The "Southpaws" is a much -well, funnier book in a lot of ways. People might recall, you know, the books have Ring Lardner in the '20s and '30s as sort of precursors to what Mark Harris did. | the voice of henry wiggen the, pitcher the "southpaws" is a much -well funnier book in a lot of ways people might recall you know the books have ring lardner in the '20s and '30s as sort of precursors to what mark harris, | The voice of Henry, Wiggen the pitcher The "Southpaws" is; a much -well funnier, book in a lot of ways People might recall you know the, books have Ring Lardner in the '20s and '30s as sort of precursors to what Mark Harris | the voice of henry wiggen, the pitcher. the "southpaws" is a much -well, funnier book in a lot of ways. people might recall, you know, the books have ring lardner in the '20s and '30s as sort of precursors to what mark harris did. |
I think a lot of the language is drawn from Ring Lardner. There are intentional misspellings and malapropisms that Henry Wiggen uses and the irony - and there are many ironies in the Wiggen stories - is that he is an author, his nickname is Author and, of course, we know that Bruce Pearson, the catcher who was dying is... | i think a, lot of the language is drawn from ring lardner there are intentional misspellings and malapropisms that henry wiggen uses and the irony - and there are many. ironies in the wiggen stories - is that he, is. an author his nickname is author and of course. we know that bruce pearson the catcher who was dying is... | I think. a lot of the language is drawn from Ring Lardner There are. intentional misspellings and malapropisms that Henry Wiggen uses and the irony. - and there, are many ironies in the Wiggen stories - is that he is an author his nickname is Author and of course we know that Bruce Pearson the catcher, who was dying is... | i think a lot of the language is drawn from ring lardner. there are intentional misspellings and malapropisms that henry wiggen uses and the irony - and there are many ironies in the wiggen stories - is that he is an author, his nickname is author and, of course, we know that bruce pearson, the catcher who was dying is... |
Arthur, yeah. | arthur | Arthur | arthur, yeah. |
And that's what he calls him. | and that's what he calls | And that's what he calls | and that's what he calls him. |
And if the books are obviously about a great deal more than just baseball? | and if the books are obviously about a; great deal more, than just | And if the books are obviously about a great. deal more than just | and if the books are obviously about a great deal more than just baseball? |
Yes, they are. As Pearson is dying, and Wiggen secretly, he is not supposed to tell anybody about it, he tells each person and on the Mammoth, there are differing factions divided by race and ethnicity, they come together and that's - that in many ways is Mark Harris at his most optimistic. | yes they are as pearson; is dying, and wiggen secretly he is not supposed to tell anybody about it he tells each person and on the mammoth there are differing factions, divided by race, and; ethnicity they come together and that's - that in many ways, is. mark harris at his most | Yes they are As Pearson is dying and Wiggen secretly he is not supposed to tell anybody about it, he tells each person and on the Mammoth there are differing factions divided by; race and ethnicity they come together and that's. - that in many ways is Mark Harris at his most, | yes, they are. as pearson is dying, and wiggen secretly, he is not supposed to tell anybody about it, he tells each person and on the mammoth, there are differing factions divided by race and ethnicity, they come together and that's - that in many ways is mark harris at his most optimistic. |
Mark Harris was born Mark Harris Finkelstein and his books are very much aware of ethnic differences and racial differences, and the need and desire to bridge them. Harris was s journalist. He wrote for Ebony magazine. He wrote about race and his books are - at least in some measure - an optimistic look at how prejudic... | mark harris was born mark harris finkelstein and his books, are very much; aware of ethnic differences and. racial differences and. the need and desire to bridge them harris, was s journalist he wrote for ebony magazine he wrote about race and his books are - at least in some measure - an optimistic look at how prejudi... | Mark, Harris was born Mark. Harris Finkelstein and his books are very much aware of ethnic differences and racial. differences and the need and desire to bridge them Harris was s journalist He wrote for Ebony magazine He wrote about race and his books are - at least in some measure - an optimistic look at, how prejudic... | mark harris was born mark harris finkelstein and his books are very much aware of ethnic differences and racial differences, and the need and desire to bridge them. harris was s journalist. he wrote for ebony magazine. he wrote about race and his books are - at least in some measure - an optimistic look at how prejudic... |
Let's get some callers in on the conversation. 800-989-8255. We're talking with Glenn Altschuler about the late Mark Harris. With us on the line from San Francisco is Jefferson(ph). | let's, get some callers in on the conversation 800-989-8255. we're talking with glenn altschuler about the late. mark harris with us on the line from san francisco is | Let's get some callers in on the conversation 800-989-8255. We're talking with Glenn Altschuler about the late Mark Harris With us on the line from San Francisco is | let's get some callers in on the conversation. 800-989-8255. we're talking with glenn altschuler about the late mark harris. with us on the line from san francisco is jefferson(ph). |
Yes. Hello. | yes | Yes | yes. hello. |
Hi. Hi. | hi | Hi | hi. hi. |
So let's see. I just wanted to pay a little tribute to Mark Harris here. I did not study directly under Mark Harris. I was at Arizona State for my master's degree and I studied mainly poetry. But I have a number of friends who studied with Mark Harris, and I had some contacts with him directly. And he just - he conveye... | so let's see i just wanted to pay a little tribute to mark harris here i did not study directly under mark harris i was at arizona state for my master's degree and i studied mainly poetry but i have a number of friends who studied with mark harris and i had some contacts with him directly and he just - he conveyed to m... | So let's see I just wanted to. pay, a little tribute; to Mark Harris here I did not study directly under Mark Harris I was at Arizona State for my master's degree and I studied mainly poetry But I have a number of friends. who studied with Mark Harris and I had some contacts with him directly And he just - he; conveyed... | so let's see. i just wanted to pay a little tribute to mark harris here. i did not study directly under mark harris. i was at arizona state for my master's degree and i studied mainly poetry. but i have a number of friends who studied with mark harris, and i had some contacts with him directly. and he just - he conveye... |
I think he even, you know, sort of, intimated to me at one time. He didn't feel that he was necessarily the best writer or that there are other people who are more talented, but that he was willing to just work hard at it, and really try to tell a good story. And he's, kind of, carried over the means. I began to -about... | i think he even you know sort of intimated to me at one time; he didn't feel that he was necessarily the best writer or that there are other people who are more talented but that he was willing to just work, hard at it and really try to tell, a good story and he's kind. of carried over the means i began to, -about a qu... | I think he even. you know sort of intimated to me at one time He didn't feel, that he was necessarily the best writer or that there are other people who, are more talented but that he was willing to just work hard at, it and really try to, tell a good story And he's kind of carried over the means I began, to -about a q... | i think he even, you know, sort of, intimated to me at one time. he didn't feel that he was necessarily the best writer or that there are other people who are more talented, but that he was willing to just work hard at it, and really try to tell a good story. and he's, kind of, carried over the means. i began to -about... |
Jefferson… | jefferson… | ||
Well, I think you're quite right, and he was very much concerned about diction and writing and a good story, and his books can be written just in that way as good stories. | well i think you're quite right, and he was very much concerned about diction and writing and a good story and his books can be written just in that way as. good | Well I think you're quite right and he was very much concerned about diction and writing and. a, good story and his books can be written just in that way. as good | well, i think you're quite right, and he was very much concerned about diction and writing and a good story, and his books can be written just in that way as good stories. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
Good luck with the book, Jefferson. | good. luck with the book | Good luck with. the book | good luck with the book, jefferson. |
Oh thank you. You have a great day now. | oh thank you, you have; a. great day | Oh thank you You have a great day | oh thank you. you have a great day now. |
Okay. Interesting that he also wrote that one point, "The Southpaw," "Bang the Drum Slowly" and "A Ticket for a Seamstitch" were all written in the 1950s. And he wrote about losing the ability to channel Henry Wiggen's voice anymore. The last book in the series, "It Looked Like For Ever," published much later. | okay interesting that he also wrote that one point "the southpaw" "bang the drum slowly" and "a ticket for a seamstitch" were all written in the 1950s and he wrote, about losing the ability to channel henry wiggen's voice anymore the last book in the series "it looked like for ever" published, much | Okay Interesting that he also wrote that. one point "The Southpaw" "Bang the Drum Slowly" and "A Ticket for a Seamstitch" were all written in, the 1950s And he wrote, about losing the ability to channel Henry Wiggen's voice anymore The last book in the series "It Looked Like For Ever" published, much | okay. interesting that he also wrote that one point, "the southpaw," "bang the drum slowly" and "a ticket for a seamstitch" were all written in the 1950s. and he wrote about losing the ability to channel henry wiggen's voice anymore. the last book in the series, "it looked like for ever," published much later. |
Yeah. You know, I think that in a sense, reality caught up with Mark Harris and surpassed him. In the 1960s and early '70s, we got non-fiction books by Jim Brosnan, the pitcher called "The Long Season," also by Jim Bouton. | yeah you know i think that in a sense reality caught up with mark harris. and surpassed him in the 1960s and early '70s we got non-fiction books by jim brosnan the pitcher called "the long season" also. by jim | Yeah You know I think that in a, sense reality caught up with Mark Harris and surpassed him In the, 1960s and early '70s we got non-fiction books by Jim Brosnan the, pitcher called "The, Long Season" also by Jim | yeah. you know, i think that in a sense, reality caught up with mark harris and surpassed him. in the 1960s and early '70s, we got non-fiction books by jim brosnan, the pitcher called "the long season," also by jim bouton. |
Also by Jim Bouton. | also. by jim | Also by Jim | also by jim bouton. |
Yeah. And by Jim Bouton. And those books were a little grittier than Mark Harris', a little more raunchy. And Harris who had a kind of nostalgic and softly optimistic side, found that side, I think, superseded by the kinds of revelations of the ballplayers themselves. | yeah and. by jim bouton and those books. were a little grittier. than mark harris', a little more raunchy and harris who had a kind of nostalgic and softly optimistic side found. that side i think superseded by the kinds of revelations of the ballplayers | Yeah And. by Jim, Bouton And those books were a little grittier than Mark Harris', a little more. raunchy And. Harris who had a kind of nostalgic and softly optimistic side found that side, I think superseded by the kinds of; revelations of the ballplayers | yeah. and by jim bouton. and those books were a little grittier than mark harris', a little more raunchy. and harris who had a kind of nostalgic and softly optimistic side, found that side, i think, superseded by the kinds of revelations of the ballplayers themselves. |
Let's get Allan(ph) on the line. Allan with us from Lake Orian(ph) Michigan. | let's get allan(ph) on the line allan with us from lake | Let's get Allan(ph) on the line Allan with us from; Lake | let's get allan(ph) on the line. allan with us from lake orian(ph) michigan. |
Actual it's Lake Orion. | actual it's lake. | Actual. it's Lake | actual it's lake orion. |
Lake Orion, okay. | lake orion | Lake Orion | lake orion, okay. |
I have to tell you that I never read a baseball novel before. I may, kind of, a purist, you know. And my aunt bought me "The Southpaw" and when I went to Lake Luzerne in New York one summer, and I didn't want to read it. Then I started reading it and it was a fantastic book. I mean, I was hooked on Henry Wiggen's the g... | i have to tell, you that i never read a baseball novel before i may kind of a purist you know and my aunt bought me "the southpaw" and, when i went to lake luzerne in new york one summer and. i didn't want to read it then i started reading it and it was a fantastic book i; mean i was hooked on henry, wiggen's. the grea... | I have to tell you that I never read a baseball novel before I may kind of a purist you know And my aunt; bought me "The Southpaw" and when I went, to Lake Luzerne in New. York one summer. and I didn't want to read it Then I started reading it and it was a fantastic book I mean. I was hooked on Henry. Wiggen's the grea... | i have to tell you that i never read a baseball novel before. i may, kind of, a purist, you know. and my aunt bought me "the southpaw" and when i went to lake luzerne in new york one summer, and i didn't want to read it. then i started reading it and it was a fantastic book. i mean, i was hooked on henry wiggen's the g... |
Mammoths. | mammoths. | ||
The Mets. Well, no. | the mets well | The Mets Well | the mets. well, no. |
No. The Mammoths. | no the | No The | no. the mammoths. |
Oh, the Mammoths, that's right. It was the Mammoths. And it was just a fantastic book. It was the greatest baseball novel I've ever read. I don't think "Bang the Drum Slowly" comes close to "The Southpaw," in my personal opinion. But I always read Babe Ruth and Lou Gering and stuff like that - you know, Casey Stengel a... | oh the mammoths that's right it was the mammoths and, it was, just a fantastic book it was the. greatest baseball novel i've ever read i don't think "bang the drum slowly" comes close to "the southpaw" in my personal opinion but i always read babe ruth and lou, gering. and stuff like that - you; know casey stengel and ... | Oh the Mammoths that's right It was the Mammoths And it was just a fantastic book It was the greatest baseball novel I've ever read I don't think "Bang. the Drum Slowly" comes close to "The, Southpaw" in my personal opinion But I always read Babe Ruth and Lou Gering and stuff like that. - you, know Casey Stengel and Ja... | oh, the mammoths, that's right. it was the mammoths. and it was just a fantastic book. it was the greatest baseball novel i've ever read. i don't think "bang the drum slowly" comes close to "the southpaw," in my personal opinion. but i always read babe ruth and lou gering and stuff like that - you know, casey stengel a... |
Well, thank you, Allan. | well thank you | Well thank you | well, thank you, allan. |
Yup. | yup. | ||
And let's see if we can get one last caller in. And this is Ira(ph). Ira with us from Utica in New York. | and let's see if we can get one last caller. in and this is ira(ph). ira with us, from utica in new. | And let's see if we can get one last caller, in And this is, Ira(ph). Ira with us from Utica in New | and let's see if we can get one last caller in. and this is ira(ph). ira with us from utica in new york. |
That's right. How are you? | that's right how are | That's right How are, | that's right. how are you? |
Very well. Thanks. | very well | Very well | very well. thanks. |
I'm actually shocked to hear that Mark Harris passed away because he was one of my teachers at San Francisco State in the early 1960s. And he really inspired me, I later became a reporter for the LA Times. And this Friday, I'm going to be speaking about baseball at the Cooperstown Symposium on baseball and American cul... | i'm actually shocked to hear that mark harris passed away because he was one of my teachers at san francisco state in the early 1960s and he really inspired me i later became a reporter for the la times and this friday. i'm going to be speaking about baseball at the cooperstown symposium, on baseball and american cultu... | I'm actually shocked to hear that Mark Harris passed away because he was one of my teachers at San Francisco; State, in the, early 1960s And he really inspired me I, later became a reporter for the LA Times And this Friday I'm going to be speaking about baseball at the Cooperstown Symposium on baseball and American cul... | i'm actually shocked to hear that mark harris passed away because he was one of my teachers at san francisco state in the early 1960s. and he really inspired me, i later became a reporter for the la times. and this friday, i'm going to be speaking about baseball at the cooperstown symposium on baseball and american cul... |
But he respected you and he treated you with respect. He just was a wonderful person. I didn't realize that his last name was Finkelstein. And I'm Jewish, and now I know why there was a kind of a bond between the two of us because we shared some ethnic background. | but he respected you and he treated you, with respect he just, was a wonderful person i. didn't realize that his last name was finkelstein and i'm jewish, and now i know why there was a kind of. a bond between the two, of, us because we shared some ethnic | But he respected you. and he treated you with respect He just was a wonderful person I didn't realize that his last name was Finkelstein And I'm Jewish and now I know why there was a kind, of a bond between the two of us because we shared some, ethnic | but he respected you and he treated you with respect. he just was a wonderful person. i didn't realize that his last name was finkelstein. and i'm jewish, and now i know why there was a kind of a bond between the two of us because we shared some ethnic background. |
And when you studied with him, as a teacher, what was his characteristic - what was his most characteristic type? | and when you studied with him as a teacher. what was his characteristic; - what was his most characteristic | And when you studied with. him as a teacher; what was his characteristic - what was his most characteristic | and when you studied with him, as a teacher, what was his characteristic - what was his most characteristic type? |
Oh, it was a creative writing class. And I guess he tried to get us to think out of the box. I didn't realize how much I like baseball until many years later. But he really encouraged us to use our imagination and to not just do something that we've read, but really try to be different - try to be unique. Try to find w... | oh it was a creative writing class and i guess he tried. to get us to think out of the box i didn't realize how. much i like baseball until many years later but he really encouraged us, to use our imagination and to not just do something that we've read but really try to be different - try to be unique try to find what... | Oh it was a creative writing class, And I guess, he, tried to get us to think out. of the box I didn't. realize how much I like baseball until. many, years later But he really encouraged us to use our imagination and to not just do, something that we've read but really try to be different - try to. be unique Try to fin... | oh, it was a creative writing class. and i guess he tried to get us to think out of the box. i didn't realize how much i like baseball until many years later. but he really encouraged us to use our imagination and to not just do something that we've read, but really try to be different - try to be unique. try to find w... |
Thank you very much for that, Ira. And, Glenn Altschuler, as we remember Mark Harris, obviously those four wonderful books about Henry Wiggen, but he also left a lot of students behind, who were writing on their own. | thank you very much for that ira and glenn altschuler as we, remember mark harris, obviously those four wonderful books about henry wiggen but he also left a lot of students behind who, were, writing on, their | Thank you very much, for that Ira And Glenn Altschuler as, we remember Mark Harris obviously those. four wonderful books about Henry Wiggen but he also, left a lot of students behind who were writing on their, | thank you very much for that, ira. and, glenn altschuler, as we remember mark harris, obviously those four wonderful books about henry wiggen, but he also left a lot of students behind, who were writing on their own. |
Yes. And he was - one of those unique professors of writing who have had experience as a journalist, writing for Ebony magazine, writing for newspapers. He spent a career teaching creative writing and he really thought honesty. He thought economy with the language. He thought the importance of plot, and he did it with,... | yes and he was - one of those, unique professors of writing who have, had experience as a journalist writing. for ebony magazine writing for newspapers. he spent a career teaching creative. writing and he really thought honesty he thought economy with the language he. thought, the importance of plot and he did it with ... | Yes And he was - one of, those unique professors, of writing who have had experience as a journalist writing for Ebony magazine writing for, newspapers He spent a career teaching creative writing and he really thought honesty He thought economy with the language. He thought the importance of, plot. and he did it with I... | yes. and he was - one of those unique professors of writing who have had experience as a journalist, writing for ebony magazine, writing for newspapers. he spent a career teaching creative writing and he really thought honesty. he thought economy with the language. he thought the importance of plot, and he did it with,... |
Glenn Altschuler, thanks very much for being with us today. We appreciate it. | glenn altschuler thanks very much for being with, us today we appreciate | Glenn Altschuler thanks very much for being with us today We. appreciate | glenn altschuler, thanks very much for being with us today. we appreciate it. |
Pleasure. Thank you. | pleasure thank | Pleasure, Thank | pleasure. thank you. |
We've been remembering Mark Harris, who died last week. Glenn Altschuler teaches American studies at Cornell University, and he joined us from a studio in Ithaca, New York. | we've been remembering mark, harris who died last week glenn altschuler teaches. american studies at cornell university, and he joined us, from a studio in ithaca new | We've been remembering Mark. Harris who died last week Glenn, Altschuler teaches American, studies at Cornell University and he joined us from a studio in Ithaca New | we've been remembering mark harris, who died last week. glenn altschuler teaches american studies at cornell university, and he joined us from a studio in ithaca, new york. |
And you're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | and you're listening, to talk of the nation. from npr | And, you're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR | and you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. |
Now it's time for Words You'll Hear. That's where we take a look at an issue we think will be in the news by drilling down into some of the words associated with the story. Today, we're examining the phrase election integrity. We picked that because the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity is schedule... | now it's time for words you'll hear that's where we take a look at, an issue we think will be in the news by. drilling down into some of the words associated with the story; today we're examining the phrase election integrity we picked that because the presidential advisory commission, on election integrity is schedule... | Now it's time for Words; You'll Hear That's where we take a look at an issue we think will. be in. the news by drilling down into some of the words associated with the; story. Today. we're examining the phrase election integrity We picked that because the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity is schedu... | now it's time for words you'll hear. that's where we take a look at an issue we think will be in the news by drilling down into some of the words associated with the story. today, we're examining the phrase election integrity. we picked that because the presidential advisory commission on election integrity is schedule... |
Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, the vice chair of the commission, has already been in the news because many state officials are refusing to comply with his request for voter roll data including addresses, date of birth, voting history and partial Social Security numbers. David Weigel, national political correspo... | kansas secretary of state kris kobach the vice. chair of the commission has already been in the news because many state officials are refusing. to comply, with his request for. voter roll data including addresses date of birth voting history and. partial social security numbers david weigel national political; correspo... | Kansas Secretary. of. State Kris Kobach the. vice chair of the commission has already been in, the, news because many state officials, are refusing to comply with his request for voter roll data including addresses, date of birth voting history and partial Social Security numbers David Weigel national political. corres... | kansas secretary of state kris kobach, the vice chair of the commission, has already been in the news because many state officials are refusing to comply with his request for voter roll data including addresses, date of birth, voting history and partial social security numbers. david weigel, national political correspo... |
Oh, thanks for having me. | oh thanks for having | Oh thanks for having | oh, thanks for having me. |
So, first of all, what is the stated mission of this election integrity commission? | so first of all what is the stated mission of this election integrity | So first of all what is the stated mission of this; election integrity. | so, first of all, what is the stated mission of this election integrity commission? |
It's just in the name. It has a very wide aperture. It's supposed to reassure Americans that our elections are not being stolen by illegal voting. And I think you set it up nicely. There's not a lot of proof of what the president said having happened in 2016 - in fact, no proof of that. The idea that millions of votes ... | it's just, in the, name it has a very wide aperture it's supposed to reassure, americans that, our elections are not being stolen by illegal voting and i think you set it up nicely there's not a lot of proof of, what the president. said having happened. in 2016 - in fact no proof of that the idea that millions of votes... | It's just in the name It has a very wide aperture It's supposed to reassure Americans that, our elections are not being stolen. by illegal voting And I think you set it; up nicely There's not a lot, of proof of what the president said having happened in 2016 - in fact no proof of that. The. idea that millions of votes ... | it's just in the name. it has a very wide aperture. it's supposed to reassure americans that our elections are not being stolen by illegal voting. and i think you set it up nicely. there's not a lot of proof of what the president said having happened in 2016 - in fact, no proof of that. the idea that millions of votes ... |
And Kris Kobach being among them. Now, he's already been in the news, as we said, because he sent a request to all his fellow secretaries of state - you know, the keepers of this data - asking for specific information. You know, but I'm looking at the letter, and he says that he's requesting information that is publicl... | and kris kobach being among them now he's already been in, the news as we said because he sent a request to all. his fellow secretaries of state - you know the keepers. of this data - asking for specific information you know, but i'm looking. at the letter and he says that he's requesting information that is publicly a... | And Kris Kobach being among them Now he's already, been in, the news as we said because he sent a, request to all his fellow secretaries of, state - you know the keepers of, this data - asking for specific information You know but I'm looking at the letter and, he says that, he's, requesting information that is. public... | and kris kobach being among them. now, he's already been in the news, as we said, because he sent a request to all his fellow secretaries of state - you know, the keepers of this data - asking for specific information. you know, but i'm looking at the letter, and he says that he's requesting information that is publicl... |
I think politically, it has been very good for states to say, we're not going to give you information in any way. And as a practical matter, there is a fear that this information will be collected in a database that would then be used to check off and challenge voters without much merit. | i think politically it has been very good for, states to say we're not going to give you information in any way, and as a practical matter there is a fear that this information will be collected in a database that would then be used to check off and challenge voters. without much | I think politically it has been very good, for states to say we're not going to give you information in any way And as a practical matter there is a fear that this information will be collected in a database that would; then be used to check off and; challenge voters, without much | i think politically, it has been very good for states to say, we're not going to give you information in any way. and as a practical matter, there is a fear that this information will be collected in a database that would then be used to check off and challenge voters without much merit. |
But one can understand why Democratic secretaries of state are opposed to this or people who have a history with Mr. Kobach who think that he's motivated by, say, racial animus, for example. But what about Republicans? I mean, why are they also opposed to this? | but one can understand why democratic, secretaries, of state are opposed to this; or people, who have; a history, with mr, kobach who think that, he's motivated by say racial animus for example but what about republicans? i mean why are they also opposed to | But one can understand; why Democratic secretaries of state are opposed to this. or people who have a, history with Mr; Kobach who think that he's motivated. by say racial animus for example But what about Republicans? I mean why are they also opposed. to | but one can understand why democratic secretaries of state are opposed to this or people who have a history with mr. kobach who think that he's motivated by, say, racial animus, for example. but what about republicans? i mean, why are they also opposed to this? |
Well, I guess this raises the question - who really sets the policy? I mean, who are we meant to believe when they're speaking? | well i guess this raises the question - who really sets the policy? i mean who are we meant to believe when they're | Well I guess this, raises the question - who really sets the, policy? I, mean who, are we meant to believe when they're | well, i guess this raises the question - who really sets the policy? i mean, who are we meant to believe when they're speaking? |
That's exactly right. People are so nervous that they are willing to purchase these Treasury bills not at a discount. Normally they'd say, if I want $10,000, I'll give you something less than 10,000. But they're so nervous that they're willing to give you the money and basically, rather than putting it into a mattress ... | that's exactly right people are, so nervous that they are willing to purchase these treasury bills not at a discount normally they'd say. if i want $10,000, i'll give you something less than 10,000. but; they're so nervous that they're; willing to give you the money, and basically. rather than putting it into a mattres... | That's exactly right People are so nervous that they are willing to purchase these Treasury bills not at a discount Normally they'd say if I want $10,000, I'll. give. you, something less than 10,000. But they're so, nervous that they're willing to, give you the, money and. basically rather than putting it into a mattre... | that's exactly right. people are so nervous that they are willing to purchase these treasury bills not at a discount. normally they'd say, if i want $10,000, i'll give you something less than 10,000. but they're so nervous that they're willing to give you the money and basically, rather than putting it into a mattress ... |
Government as mattress, you're saying. | government as mattress you're | Government as mattress you're | government as mattress, you're saying. |
That is a way to look at it. | that is. a way to look at | That is a way to look at | that is a way to look at it. |
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