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This can't be a good sign about what's happening to the economy. | this can't be a good sign about what's happening to the | This can't; be a good sign about what's happening to the | this can't be a good sign about what's happening to the economy. |
Unfortunately, no. The last time we had this kind of conditions were in the late 1930s and early '40s, when the economy was very, very weak. So it's a symptom of extreme nervousness among investors and a very weak economy. | unfortunately no the last time we had this kind, of conditions were in the late 1930s and early '40s when the economy. was very very weak so it's a symptom of extreme nervousness among investors and; a very weak | Unfortunately no The last time we had, this kind of conditions were in the late 1930s and early '40s when the economy was very very weak So it's a symptom of extreme nervousness among investors and, a very weak | unfortunately, no. the last time we had this kind of conditions were in the late 1930s and early '40s, when the economy was very, very weak. so it's a symptom of extreme nervousness among investors and a very weak economy. |
It's a symptom of what the alternatives are, I guess. If you're looking around at what you might do with your money otherwise, and you're losing everywhere else, getting back the same amount in a few months seems like a pretty good deal. | it's, a symptom of, what the alternatives are i guess if; you're looking around at what you might, do with, your money otherwise and you're losing everywhere else getting back the same amount in a few months, seems like a pretty; good | It's a, symptom of what the alternatives are I guess, If, you're looking around at what you might do with your money otherwise and you're losing everywhere else getting back the same amount in a few months seems like a pretty good | it's a symptom of what the alternatives are, i guess. if you're looking around at what you might do with your money otherwise, and you're losing everywhere else, getting back the same amount in a few months seems like a pretty good deal. |
That's right. And the government's not going to go away in three months. It has the power to tax to pay off the IOU. And perhaps overseas investors afraid that maybe their currencies will fall, they'll stampede for any kind of dollar-related investment. And so bills are as secure as they can be, and you get your money ... | that's right and, the government's not going to go away in three months, it has the power to tax. to pay off the iou and perhaps overseas investors afraid that maybe their currencies will fall they'll stampede for any kind of dollar-related investment and so bills are as secure as they can be, and you get your money ba... | That's right And the government's not going to. go away in three months It has the power to tax to pay off, the IOU And, perhaps overseas investors afraid that maybe their currencies will fall they'll stampede for any kind of, dollar-related. investment And so bills are as secure as they can be and you. get; your money... | that's right. and the government's not going to go away in three months. it has the power to tax to pay off the iou. and perhaps overseas investors afraid that maybe their currencies will fall, they'll stampede for any kind of dollar-related investment. and so bills are as secure as they can be, and you get your money ... |
Now, there would seem to be one bright spot in all this, which is that with deficits getting bigger and bigger this year, the debt service on them will be less because the interest rates are so low. | now, there, would seem to be one bright spot in all this which, is, that with deficits getting bigger and bigger this, year the debt service on, them will be less because the, interest rates are. so | Now there would seem to be one bright spot in all this which is that with deficits getting bigger and. bigger this year. the debt service on, them will be less because the interest, rates are so | now, there would seem to be one bright spot in all this, which is that with deficits getting bigger and bigger this year, the debt service on them will be less because the interest rates are so low. |
That is exactly right. The government is basically financing a lot of activities of the Federal Reserve to try to unfreeze the credit markets, and there's going to be a major stimulus package coming from the incoming Obama administration. That will be financed at extremely low figures. So in some sense, there is a posi... | that is exactly right the government is basically financing a lot of activities of the federal reserve to try to unfreeze the credit markets and there's going to be a major stimulus package coming from the. incoming obama administration that will be financed at extremely low figures, so in some sense there is a positiv... | That is exactly right The government is basically financing, a lot of activities of the, Federal Reserve to try to unfreeze the credit markets and there's going to be a major. stimulus package coming. from the incoming Obama administration That will be financed at extremely low figures So in some sense, there is a posi... | that is exactly right. the government is basically financing a lot of activities of the federal reserve to try to unfreeze the credit markets, and there's going to be a major stimulus package coming from the incoming obama administration. that will be financed at extremely low figures. so in some sense, there is a posi... |
Now, does it ever happen, or could it conceivably happen, that things would be so bad, the alternatives would be so bad, that you'd go to an auction and someone would say, look, I'll give you $10,050 if you just give me back 10,000 in three months? | now does it ever happen or could it conceivably happen that things would be so bad the alternatives would be so bad that, you'd go. to an auction and someone would, say look i'll give you $10,050 if you just give me back 10,000 in three | Now does it ever happen, or could it conceivably happen, that things would, be so bad, the alternatives would be so bad that you'd go to an auction and. someone would say look I'll give you $10,050 if you just give me back 10,000 in three | now, does it ever happen, or could it conceivably happen, that things would be so bad, the alternatives would be so bad, that you'd go to an auction and someone would say, look, i'll give you $10,050 if you just give me back 10,000 in three months? |
It won't happen in the auction per se because the government will only auction, and you'll get back, par. But in the so-called secondary market, which is kind of like a used-car market for securities, it did happen that after the auction, you actually earned a negative rate of return, meaning people were so nervous tha... | it won't happen in the auction per se. because the government will only auction and; you'll get back par but in the so-called secondary, market. which is kind of like a used-car market for securities it did happen that after the; auction you actually earned a negative rate of return meaning people were so nervous that ... | It won't happen in the auction per se because the government will only auction and you'll get back par But, in the so-called secondary market which is kind of like. a used-car market for securities. it did, happen that after the, auction you actually earned, a negative rate of return meaning people were, so nervous tha... | it won't happen in the auction per se because the government will only auction, and you'll get back, par. but in the so-called secondary market, which is kind of like a used-car market for securities, it did happen that after the auction, you actually earned a negative rate of return, meaning people were so nervous tha... |
So the government is out there borrowing tremendous sums of money, able to do it at rather little cost. Who's it competing with for all this money? | so the, government is out there borrowing tremendous sums of money able to; do it at rather little cost who's it competing with for all, this | So the government, is out there, borrowing tremendous sums of. money able to do it at; rather little cost Who's it competing with for all this | so the government is out there borrowing tremendous sums of money, able to do it at rather little cost. who's it competing with for all this money? |
Right now, they're not competing with anyone. As you mentioned earlier, people are so concerned about the lack of viable investment opportunities that they're just stampeding into the most secure investment they can think of. So we're not competing with anything now. Ironically, the Federal Reserve and the government w... | right now they're not competing with anyone as you mentioned earlier people are so concerned about the lack of viable. investment opportunities that they're just stampeding into the most, secure investment they can think of so we're not competing with anything now, ironically the, federal reserve and the government wou... | Right now they're not, competing with anyone As you mentioned, earlier people are so concerned about the lack of viable investment opportunities that they're just stampeding into the most secure investment they can think of So we're not. competing with anything now Ironically the Federal Reserve and the government woul... | right now, they're not competing with anyone. as you mentioned earlier, people are so concerned about the lack of viable investment opportunities that they're just stampeding into the most secure investment they can think of. so we're not competing with anything now. ironically, the federal reserve and the government w... |
Well, Cary Leahey, thank you very much for talking with us about it today. | well. cary leahey thank you very much for talking with us about it | Well Cary Leahey thank, you. very much for talking with us about it | well, cary leahey, thank you very much for talking with us about it today. |
Thank you. It was a pleasure. | thank you it was a | Thank you It was a | thank you. it was a pleasure. |
Cary Leahey, who is a senior economist with Decision Economics in New York. | cary, leahey who is, a senior economist with decision economics in, new | Cary Leahey who is a senior economist with Decision. Economics in New | cary leahey, who is a senior economist with decision economics in new york. |
Foster care provides a measure of stability for millions of young people. That support often ends when they turn 18. New research on children who age out of foster care says many are not ready to handle life on their own. NPR's Rachel Jones reports. | foster care provides a measure of, stability for millions of young people that support often ends when they turn 18. new research on children who age out of; foster care says many are not ready to handle life on, their own npr's rachel jones | Foster care. provides a measure of stability for. millions of young people That support often ends when they turn 18. New. research on children. who age out of foster care says many are not ready, to handle life on their. own, NPR's Rachel Jones, | foster care provides a measure of stability for millions of young people. that support often ends when they turn 18. new research on children who age out of foster care says many are not ready to handle life on their own. npr's rachel jones reports. |
By the time he was 13, Thomas Hudson had had enough of his mother's drug abuse and beatings. He called Social Services and spent the next five years bouncing around Chicago from group home to youth shelter to the occasional foster family home. Five years ago, he turned 18. That was a particularly... | by the time he was 13, thomas, hudson had had enough of his mother's drug abuse and beatings he called social services and; spent the next five years bouncing around chicago from group. home to youth shelter to the occasional foster family home five years ago he turned 18. that was a particularly... | By the time he was 13, Thomas Hudson had had enough of his mother's drug; abuse and beatings He called Social Services and spent the next, five years bouncing around. Chicago from group, home to youth shelter to the occasional foster family home Five years ago he turned 18. That was. a particular... | by the time he was 13, thomas hudson had had enough of his mother's drug abuse and beatings. he called social services and spent the next five years bouncing around chicago from group home to youth shelter to the occasional foster family home. five years ago, he turned 18. that was a particularly... |
I was getting ready to graduate high school and I was just coming out of a shelter. So I was still trying to adjust to living in someone's home and being under another person's authority. | i was getting ready to graduate high. school and. i was just coming out of a shelter so i was still trying. to adjust to living in someone's. home and being under another person's | I. was getting ready to graduate high school and I was just. coming out. of a shelter So I was still trying to adjust to living in someone's home and being under another, person's | i was getting ready to graduate high school and i was just coming out of a shelter. so i was still trying to adjust to living in someone's home and being under another person's authority. |
Hudson was better off than most of the 20,000 youth who leave the foster care system each year. Most states stop providing housing, medical care and other services for foster care youth after age 18. But Illinois continues guardianship until age 21. By 19, Hudson had enrolled in school and found ... | hudson was better off than most of the 20,000 youth who leave the foster care system each year most states stop providing housing medical care and other services for, foster, care youth after age 18. but illinois continues; guardianship until age 21. by 19, hudson had enrolled in school and found... | Hudson was better off than most, of the 20,000 youth who leave the foster care system each year Most states stop providing housing; medical care and other services for foster care youth after age 18. But Illinois continues guardianship until age 21. By, 19, Hudson had, enrolled in school and foun... | hudson was better off than most of the 20,000 youth who leave the foster care system each year. most states stop providing housing, medical care and other services for foster care youth after age 18. but illinois continues guardianship until age 21. by 19, hudson had enrolled in school and found ... |
My thinking was, `OK. I can get the shoes that I was never able to have. I can get the clothes that I was never able to have,' but I started noticing that school, the time that I would put into school would take away from the hours that I was making at work and I chose to make those hours which wa... | my thinking was `ok i can get the, shoes that i was never able to have i can get the clothes that i was never able to have' but i started noticing that. school the time that i would put into school, would take. away from, the hours that i was making at work and i chose to make those hours which wa... | My thinking was `OK I can get the shoes that I was never able, to have I can get the clothes that I was never able to have' but I started noticing that school the time that I would put into school would; take away from the hours that I was making at work and, I. chose, to. make those hours which w... | my thinking was, `ok. i can get the shoes that i was never able to have. i can get the clothes that i was never able to have,' but i started noticing that school, the time that i would put into school would take away from the hours that i was making at work and i chose to make those hours which wa... |
Most teen-agers might make the same choice, but the consequences of poor decisions are magnified for youth who've spent years in foster care. | most teen-agers might make the same choice but, the consequences of poor decisions are magnified for youth who've spent years in foster, | Most teen-agers might make the. same choice but the consequences of. poor decisions are magnified for youth. who've spent years in foster | most teen-agers might make the same choice, but the consequences of poor decisions are magnified for youth who've spent years in foster care. |
To expect them to be on their own at 18 given the challenges that they bring with them to the child welfare system is cruel and unusual punishment really. | to expect them to be on their own at 18 given the challenges that they bring with them, to the child welfare, system is cruel and unusual punishment | To expect, them to be on their; own at 18 given the challenges that they bring with them to the child welfare system is cruel and unusual punishment | to expect them to be on their own at 18 given the challenges that they bring with them to the child welfare system is cruel and unusual punishment really. |
Did you say he has a gun? | did you say he has. a. | Did you say he. has a | did you say he has a gun? |
The cyber tools that are out there in these types of marketplaces are quite good. | the cyber tools that are out there in these types of marketplaces are quite | The cyber tools that are out there in, these types of marketplaces are quite | the cyber tools that are out there in these types of marketplaces are quite good. |
Across Iraqi Kurdistan, the complaints from young Kurds are almost all the same - no jobs, rampant corruption, lack of political freedom and lack of electricity. It's a surprise to hear this coming from Kurdish men who just three years ago danced patriotically in the streets waving the flag of Kurdistan as they celebra... | across iraqi kurdistan the complaints, from young kurds are almost all the same - no jobs rampant corruption lack of political freedom and lack, of electricity it's a surprise to hear this coming from kurdish men who just three years ago danced patriotically in the. streets waving the flag of kurdistan as they celebrat... | Across, Iraqi Kurdistan the complaints from young Kurds are almost all the same - no jobs rampant corruption lack of political; freedom and lack of. electricity It's a surprise, to hear. this coming from. Kurdish; men who just three years ago danced patriotically in the streets; waving the flag. of Kurdistan as they ce... | across iraqi kurdistan, the complaints from young kurds are almost all the same - no jobs, rampant corruption, lack of political freedom and lack of electricity. it's a surprise to hear this coming from kurdish men who just three years ago danced patriotically in the streets waving the flag of kurdistan as they celebra... |
Now an entire generation of depressed male Kurds is talking about sneaking into Europe to find jobs. Many have already left. | now an entire generation of depressed. male kurds is talking. about sneaking into europe to find jobs many have; already | Now an entire generation of depressed male Kurds is talking about sneaking into Europe to find jobs Many have already | now an entire generation of depressed male kurds is talking about sneaking into europe to find jobs. many have already left. |
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Unidentified Man #2: (Speaking foreign language) | unidentified man #2: (speaking foreign | Unidentified Man #2: (Speaking foreign, | unidentified man #2: (speaking foreign language) |
In a reading room in Halabja, members of the Adham(ph) family talk over speaker phone with their 24-year-old son Roboire(ph), who smuggled himself to Greece last September. There he now earns $1000 a month working in an Athens restaurant. | in a reading room in, halabja members of the adham(ph) family talk over speaker phone with their 24-year-old son roboire(ph), who smuggled himself, to greece last september there he now earns $1000 a month working in an athens | In a reading room in, Halabja members of the. Adham(ph) family talk over speaker. phone with their 24-year-old son Roboire(ph), who smuggled himself to Greece last September There he, now earns, $1000 a month working in an Athens | in a reading room in halabja, members of the adham(ph) family talk over speaker phone with their 24-year-old son roboire(ph), who smuggled himself to greece last september. there he now earns $1000 a month working in an athens restaurant. |
Mr. R. ADHAM: (Speaking foreign language) | mr r adham: (speaking foreign | Mr R ADHAM: (Speaking foreign | mr. r. adham: (speaking foreign language) |
Unidentified Man #2: (Speaking foreign language) | unidentified, man #2: (speaking foreign | Unidentified. Man #2: (Speaking foreign | unidentified man #2: (speaking foreign language) |
Roboire says he left because he saw no future in Kurdistan aside from getting a job as a poorly paid teacher in a remote village. He tried to sneak across the border to Turkey twice, but only succeeded on the third try after paying $5000 to smugglers who took him on a long and dangerous trip that involved spending 48 h... | roboire says he left because he saw no future in, kurdistan aside from getting a job as a poorly paid teacher in a remote village he tried to sneak across, the border to, turkey; twice but only succeeded. on the third try after paying; $5000 to smugglers who took him on a, long and dangerous trip that involved spending... | Roboire says he left because he saw no. future in Kurdistan aside from getting a, job as. a poorly paid teacher in a remote village He tried; to sneak across the border to Turkey. twice but only, succeeded on the third try; after; paying $5000 to smugglers who took him on a long and dangerous, trip that involved spendi... | roboire says he left because he saw no future in kurdistan aside from getting a job as a poorly paid teacher in a remote village. he tried to sneak across the border to turkey twice, but only succeeded on the third try after paying $5000 to smugglers who took him on a long and dangerous trip that involved spending 48 h... |
Roboire's mother, Bahar(ph), says she initially opposed her son's departure, but she's since changed her mind. | roboire's mother. bahar(ph), says she initially opposed her son's departure but she's since changed her | Roboire's mother Bahar(ph), says she initially opposed her. son's departure but, she's since changed her | roboire's mother, bahar(ph), says she initially opposed her son's departure, but she's since changed her mind. |
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The Kurds spent so long struggling for freedom from Saddam, she says, but in reality, our leaders were just struggling for themselves so that they could steal the money of the people. That, Bahar adds, is why all the young men are leaving this country. | the kurds spent so; long struggling for freedom from saddam she says. but in reality our leaders were just struggling. for themselves so that they could steal the money of the people that bahar adds is why all the young, men are leaving this | The Kurds spent so, long struggling for freedom from Saddam she says but in reality our leaders were just struggling for themselves so that they, could steal the money of the people That Bahar adds is why all. the young men are leaving this | the kurds spent so long struggling for freedom from saddam, she says, but in reality, our leaders were just struggling for themselves so that they could steal the money of the people. that, bahar adds, is why all the young men are leaving this country. |
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The Adhams are considered a middle class family in Kurdistan, but they spend their afternoon huddled in one room around a kerosene heater, listening to a battery-powered radio because there are only two hours of electricity a day in Kurdistan and fuel costs too much to heat the rest of the house. | the, adhams are considered a middle class family in kurdistan but they spend their afternoon huddled in one room around a kerosene heater listening to a battery-powered radio because there are only two hours of electricity a day in kurdistan and fuel, costs too much to heat the rest of the, | The Adhams are considered a middle class family in Kurdistan but they spend their afternoon. huddled in one room around a kerosene heater listening to, a battery-powered radio because there are only two; hours of electricity a day in Kurdistan. and fuel costs too much to heat the rest, of the | the adhams are considered a middle class family in kurdistan, but they spend their afternoon huddled in one room around a kerosene heater, listening to a battery-powered radio because there are only two hours of electricity a day in kurdistan and fuel costs too much to heat the rest of the house. |
Roboire's 26-year-old brother Netchuwan(ph) says he can't wait to join his brother in Europe. | roboire's 26-year-old brother netchuwan(ph) says he can't; wait to join his brother in | Roboire's 26-year-old brother Netchuwan(ph) says he can't, wait to join his brother in | roboire's 26-year-old brother netchuwan(ph) says he can't wait to join his brother in europe. |
(Through translator) Europe is paradise. | (through, translator) europe is | (Through translator) Europe is | (through translator) europe is paradise. |
For the longest time, we could not understand it, because we spent all of our life in the struggle. | for the longest time we could not understand it; because we spent, all of our life in the | For the longest time we could not understand it because we spent all of our life in the | for the longest time, we could not understand it, because we spent all of our life in the struggle. |
Fouad Hussein is a top official in the Kurdistan regional government and a veteran of the Kurds' long struggle against the central government in Baghdad. Now that Iraqi Kurdistan has finally achieved real autonomy, Hussein says he doesn't understand why so many young men are fleeing the country, especially at a time wh... | fouad hussein is a top official in the kurdistan regional government and a veteran of. the kurds' long struggle against the central government in baghdad now that iraqi kurdistan has finally achieved real autonomy hussein says he doesn't understand why so many young men are fleeing the country especially. at, a time wh... | Fouad Hussein is a top official in the Kurdistan regional government and a veteran of the Kurds' long struggle. against the central government in Baghdad Now that Iraqi Kurdistan has finally achieved. real autonomy Hussein says he doesn't understand why. so many young men are fleeing the country especially at a time wh... | fouad hussein is a top official in the kurdistan regional government and a veteran of the kurds' long struggle against the central government in baghdad. now that iraqi kurdistan has finally achieved real autonomy, hussein says he doesn't understand why so many young men are fleeing the country, especially at a time wh... |
We have got now workers from India. Workers from Ethiopia. Workers from Philippines. Arabs. Turks. From all over the world. Why our youth leaving to other countries? | we have got now workers, from india workers from ethiopia workers from philippines arabs turks; from, all over the world why, our, youth leaving to, other | We have got now workers from India Workers from Ethiopia Workers from Philippines Arabs Turks From all over the world. Why our youth leaving to other | we have got now workers from india. workers from ethiopia. workers from philippines. arabs. turks. from all over the world. why our youth leaving to other countries? |
Part of the problem, young Kurds say, is that without government connections their future employment opportunities are limited to working either as poorly paid laborers or as functionaries in the bloated government bureaucracy. But the older former freedom fighters now in government appear unwilling to share power with... | part of the problem young kurds say is that without. government connections their future employment opportunities are limited to working either as poorly paid laborers or as functionaries in the bloated. government bureaucracy; but, the older former freedom. fighters now in government appear unwilling. to share power w... | Part of the problem young Kurds say is that without government connections their future employment opportunities are limited to working either as poorly paid laborers or as functionaries in the bloated government bureaucracy But the older former, freedom fighters now in, government appear unwilling to share power with ... | part of the problem, young kurds say, is that without government connections their future employment opportunities are limited to working either as poorly paid laborers or as functionaries in the bloated government bureaucracy. but the older former freedom fighters now in government appear unwilling to share power with... |
That's left 26-year-old Ardalon Mohammad(ph) and his friend Govan Mohammad(ph) disillusioned, bitter and bored. They sit at sunset on a hillside orchard in Halabja watching their friends get drunk around a campfire. | that's left 26-year-old ardalon mohammad(ph) and his friend govan mohammad(ph) disillusioned bitter and bored they sit at sunset on a hillside orchard in halabja watching their friends get drunk around, a | That's left 26-year-old Ardalon Mohammad(ph) and his friend Govan. Mohammad(ph) disillusioned bitter and bored They sit at sunset, on a hillside orchard, in Halabja watching their friends get drunk around a | that's left 26-year-old ardalon mohammad(ph) and his friend govan mohammad(ph) disillusioned, bitter and bored. they sit at sunset on a hillside orchard in halabja watching their friends get drunk around a campfire. |
Unidentified Man #3: (Speaking foreign language) | unidentified; man #3: (speaking. foreign, | Unidentified. Man. #3: (Speaking foreign | unidentified man #3: (speaking foreign language) |
This place is like a prison and our leaders are barbarians, the young men say. This summer, they vow to smuggle themselves to Europe or die trying. | this place is like a prison and our leaders are barbarians, the young men say this summer they vow; to smuggle themselves to europe or die | This place is like a prison and our leaders are barbarians the young men say This summer they vow to smuggle; themselves to Europe or die | this place is like a prison and our leaders are barbarians, the young men say. this summer, they vow to smuggle themselves to europe or die trying. |
Ivan Watson, NPR News. Halabja, Iraqi Kurdistan. | ivan watson npr news halabja; iraqi, | Ivan, Watson NPR News Halabja Iraqi | ivan watson, npr news. halabja, iraqi kurdistan. |
From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Robert Siegel. | from npr news this is all things considered i'm robert | From NPR. News this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED I'm, Robert | from npr news, this is all things considered. i'm robert siegel. |
One observation of the Iraq Study Group, in its report that was released this week, was this. There must be a renewed and sustained commitment to a comprehensive Arab/Israeli peace on all fronts. Just as the first Gulf War was followed by a big Middle East peace conference, the one in Madrid in 1991, there should be a ... | one observation of the iraq study group in its report that was released this; week was this, there must, be a renewed and sustained commitment to a comprehensive arab/israeli, peace on all. fronts just as the first gulf war was, followed by a big middle east peace conference the one in, madrid, in 1991, there, should. ... | One observation of the Iraq Study Group in its report that was released this week was this There must be a renewed and sustained commitment to a comprehensive Arab/Israeli peace on. all fronts. Just as. the first Gulf War was followed by a big Middle East peace conference the one in Madrid in, 1991, there, should be a.... | one observation of the iraq study group, in its report that was released this week, was this. there must be a renewed and sustained commitment to a comprehensive arab/israeli peace on all fronts. just as the first gulf war was followed by a big middle east peace conference, the one in madrid in 1991, there should be a ... |
Richard Haas, who is president of the Council on Foreign Relations, was on the National Security Council staff handling the Middle East back in those days. And Richard Hass, I'd like to talk with you today about the prospects for diplomacy and also the relationship between the Arab/Israeli conflict and Iraq. Do you acc... | richard haas who, is president of the council on foreign relations was on the national security, council staff handling the middle east, back in those days and richard hass i'd like to talk with you today about the prospects for diplomacy and also the relationship between the arab/israeli conflict and iraq do you, acce... | Richard Haas who is president of the Council on Foreign Relations was on the National Security Council staff handling the Middle East back in those days And. Richard Hass, I'd like to talk, with. you today, about the prospects for diplomacy and also the relationship between the Arab/Israeli conflict, and Iraq Do you ac... | richard haas, who is president of the council on foreign relations, was on the national security council staff handling the middle east back in those days. and richard hass, i'd like to talk with you today about the prospects for diplomacy and also the relationship between the arab/israeli conflict and iraq. do you acc... |
The short answer, Robert, is no. Let's put it this way. When these people in Iraq get up every morning and pick up their guns, the reasons that Shia are killing Sunnis and Sunnis are killing Shia is not in order to promote some Palestinian state or some vision of Jerusalem or anything else. | the short answer robert is no let's put it this way when these people in iraq get up every morning and pick up their, guns the reasons that. shia, are killing sunnis and. sunnis, are killing shia is not in order to promote some palestinian state or some vision of jerusalem or anything | The short answer Robert is no Let's; put it this way When these people in Iraq get up every morning and pick up their guns the reasons that Shia are, killing Sunnis and Sunnis are killing Shia is, not in order to promote some Palestinian state, or some vision of Jerusalem or anything | the short answer, robert, is no. let's put it this way. when these people in iraq get up every morning and pick up their guns, the reasons that shia are killing sunnis and sunnis are killing shia is not in order to promote some palestinian state or some vision of jerusalem or anything else. |
They are fighting, quite bluntly, over the future of Iraq and a division of spoils in Iraq. So tomorrow, there could be peace between Israelis and Palestinians, which would be a wonderful thing for many reasons, but the one thing it wouldn't stop is the civil war inside Iraq. | they are fighting quite bluntly over the, future of iraq and. a division of spoils in iraq so tomorrow there; could be peace between israelis and palestinians which would be a wonderful, thing for many reasons; but the one thing it wouldn't stop is the civil war; inside | They are fighting quite bluntly over the future of Iraq and a division of spoils in Iraq So tomorrow there could be peace between, Israelis and Palestinians which would be a wonderful thing for, many, reasons but the, one thing it wouldn't stop is the civil war inside | they are fighting, quite bluntly, over the future of iraq and a division of spoils in iraq. so tomorrow, there could be peace between israelis and palestinians, which would be a wonderful thing for many reasons, but the one thing it wouldn't stop is the civil war inside iraq. |
Then what is the step from addressing the violence in Iraq toward proposals for a more vigorous U.S. diplomatic role in promoting a Middle East peace between Israel and Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinians? | then what is the step from addressing the violence in iraq toward, proposals for a more vigorous u.s diplomatic role in. promoting a middle east. peace between israel and syria lebanon and the | Then what is the step. from. addressing the violence in Iraq toward proposals for a. more vigorous U.S. diplomatic role in promoting a, Middle, East peace between Israel and Syria Lebanon and the | then what is the step from addressing the violence in iraq toward proposals for a more vigorous u.s. diplomatic role in promoting a middle east peace between israel and syria, lebanon and the palestinians? |
I think it has probably two reasons. One is with Syria there could be a connection. The Iraq Study Group and others are obviously concerned about the flow of fighters and arms and money across the Syrian border into Iraq. It's obviously exacerbated the situation inside Iraq, and there is a thought that there's potentia... | i think, it has probably two reasons one is with syria there could be a connection the iraq, study group and others are obviously concerned about the flow of fighters and arms and, money across; the syrian border into iraq it's obviously exacerbated the situation inside. iraq and there is a thought that there's potenti... | I think it has probably two reasons One is with Syria there could be a connection The Iraq Study Group and; others are obviously concerned about the flow of fighters and arms and money across the Syrian border into Iraq It's obviously exacerbated the. situation inside Iraq and there is. a; thought that there's potentia... | i think it has probably two reasons. one is with syria there could be a connection. the iraq study group and others are obviously concerned about the flow of fighters and arms and money across the syrian border into iraq. it's obviously exacerbated the situation inside iraq, and there is a thought that there's potentia... |
It shouldn't be at this stage. The civil war has been going on two years. We've been watching it carefully. If the CIA, the State Department don't know who the right people are now, we've got a pretty hopeless intelligence network. | it shouldn't be at this stage the civil war has been going on two years we've been watching it carefully if the cia the state department don't know, who the right people are now we've got a pretty hopeless intelligence, | It shouldn't be at this stage The civil war has been going, on, two years We've. been watching it carefully If the CIA the State Department don't know who, the right people are now; we've got a pretty hopeless intelligence | it shouldn't be at this stage. the civil war has been going on two years. we've been watching it carefully. if the cia, the state department don't know who the right people are now, we've got a pretty hopeless intelligence network. |
Do you see a guiding foreign policy principle emerging? | do you, see a guiding foreign policy principle | Do you see a guiding foreign policy principle | do you see a guiding foreign policy principle emerging? |
As you said, Baga and Doron Baga are villages right on Lake Chad. They're a community of about 200,000 people. So the images show maybe 10 - 15,000 different structures. And these - difference between the pictures before January 3 and the ones after show roughly 3,000 village structures that have been destroyed. And it... | as you said baga, and doron baga are villages right; on lake chad; they're a community of about 200,000 people so the images show maybe 10 - 15,000 different structures and these - difference between the pictures before january 3 and, the, ones after show roughly; 3,000 village structures that have been, destroyed and ... | As you said Baga and Doron Baga are villages right on Lake Chad They're a. community of about 200,000 people So the images show, maybe 10 - 15,000 different structures And. these - difference between the pictures before January 3 and, the ones after show, roughly 3,000 village. structures that have been; destroyed And ... | as you said, baga and doron baga are villages right on lake chad. they're a community of about 200,000 people. so the images show maybe 10 - 15,000 different structures. and these - difference between the pictures before january 3 and the ones after show roughly 3,000 village structures that have been destroyed. and it... |
So from these satellite images, can you get any better sense of perhaps the death toll? | so from these satellite images can you get any better sense of perhaps the death | So from these satellite images can you get any better sense of perhaps. the death | so from these satellite images, can you get any better sense of perhaps the death toll? |
Unfortunately not, but you can estimate that based on the number of structures that were destroyed and the population density of both Baga and Doron Baga, that it really is several hundred - if not easily over 1,000 close to 2,000. But until we actually get into those - Baga we're not going to be able to verify. But we... | unfortunately, not but you can estimate that based on the number of structures, that were destroyed and the population density; of both baga and doron baga that it really is several hundred - if. not easily over 1,000 close to 2,000. but until we, actually get into those - baga we're not going to be able to verify but ... | Unfortunately not but you can estimate that based on. the number of structures that were destroyed and the population density of both Baga and Doron Baga that it really is several hundred - if not easily, over. 1,000 close to 2,000. But until we actually get into those - Baga we're not, going to be able to verify But, ... | unfortunately not, but you can estimate that based on the number of structures that were destroyed and the population density of both baga and doron baga, that it really is several hundred - if not easily over 1,000 close to 2,000. but until we actually get into those - baga we're not going to be able to verify. but we... |
We mentioned a military base being in the area, but I also understand this is a community that has collaborated with Nigerian security forces. On the civilian level - like a civilian defense group. What can you tell us about these groups? | we mentioned, a military base being in the area. but i also understand this is a community that has collaborated with nigerian security forces on the civilian level - like a civilian defense group what can you tell, us about these | We mentioned, a military base being in the area but I also understand this is a. community that has collaborated with Nigerian security forces On the civilian level - like a civilian defense group, What can you tell us about these | we mentioned a military base being in the area, but i also understand this is a community that has collaborated with nigerian security forces. on the civilian level - like a civilian defense group. what can you tell us about these groups? |
Well, the CDFs are the response that sort of emerged organically when... | well the cdfs, are the response that sort of emerged organically | Well the CDFs are the response that sort of emerged organically | well, the cdfs are the response that sort of emerged organically when... |
So Civilian Defense Force? | so, civilian defense | So Civilian Defense | so civilian defense force? |
Exactly. And these are home vigilantes - in other words, they provide a kind of protection because the Nigerian military has not been able to keep people safe from the attacks. They are affiliated with the Nigerian forces but not officially. Their methods of prevention are questionable. And in some cases, they've been ... | exactly and these, are home vigilantes - in other words they provide a kind of protection because the nigerian military has not been able to, keep people safe from the attacks they are affiliated with the nigerian, forces but not officially their methods, of prevention are questionable and in some cases they've been li... | Exactly And. these are home vigilantes - in other words they provide a kind of protection. because the Nigerian military has not been able to. keep people safe from the attacks They are affiliated with. the Nigerian forces but not officially Their methods of prevention are questionable And in some cases they've been li... | exactly. and these are home vigilantes - in other words, they provide a kind of protection because the nigerian military has not been able to keep people safe from the attacks. they are affiliated with the nigerian forces but not officially. their methods of prevention are questionable. and in some cases, they've been ... |
Is there any indication that this is one of the reasons why Boko Haram targeted this community? | is there. any indication that this is one of the reasons why boko haram targeted this | Is there any indication that this is one of the reasons. why Boko Haram targeted this | is there any indication that this is one of the reasons why boko haram targeted this community? |
The presence of the military base probably could be a deciding factor in that it was a prize that would have been symbolic in terms of sending a message that, you know, we are Boko Haram and we can take on whatever military force you people put together. And I would say that because a lot of the communication and the v... | the, presence of the military base probably could be a deciding factor in that it was a prize that would have been symbolic in, terms of sending, a message that you know we are boko haram and we can take on whatever military, force you people put together and. i would say that because a lot of the communication and; th... | The presence; of the military base probably could be a deciding factor in that it was a prize that would have been symbolic in terms of sending a message that you know we, are Boko, Haram and we can take on whatever military force you people put; together And I would say that because a lot of the communication and the ... | the presence of the military base probably could be a deciding factor in that it was a prize that would have been symbolic in terms of sending a message that, you know, we are boko haram and we can take on whatever military force you people put together. and i would say that because a lot of the communication and the v... |
Do you feel that they're unstoppable? | do you feel that they're | Do. you feel that; they're | do you feel that they're unstoppable? |
No, I believe that the response to date has been unsuccessful for a number of reasons. The first one is that the military's capacity has been basically gutted by corruption and by low morale - and those are things that are chronic to the Nigerian military and need to be addressed. I think that there's also been a dilem... | no i believe that the response to date has been unsuccessful for a number of reasons the first one is that the military's capacity has been basically gutted by corruption and by low morale - and those, are things that are chronic to; the nigerian military and need to be addressed i think that there's also been a dilemm... | No I believe that the response. to date has been unsuccessful for a number of reasons The first one is that the military's capacity, has been basically gutted by corruption and by low morale - and those are things that are chronic to the Nigerian military and need to be addressed, I think that there's also been a dilem... | no, i believe that the response to date has been unsuccessful for a number of reasons. the first one is that the military's capacity has been basically gutted by corruption and by low morale - and those are things that are chronic to the nigerian military and need to be addressed. i think that there's also been a dilem... |
Adotei Akwei - he's Managing Director of Government Relations for Amnesty International. Thank you so much for coming in to speak with us. | adotei akwei - he's. managing director of government relations for amnesty international thank you. so much for, coming in to speak with | Adotei Akwei, - he's Managing Director of Government Relations for Amnesty International Thank you so much for coming in. to speak with, | adotei akwei - he's managing director of government relations for amnesty international. thank you so much for coming in to speak with us. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
President Obama's administration plans extra aid to Syrian rebels. As we heard yesterday, some analysts see hints in the statements of Secretary of State John Kerry that the U.S. could take even stronger steps. | president obama's administration plans extra aid to syrian rebels as we heard yesterday some analysts see; hints in the statements of secretary of state john kerry that the u.s could take even stronger | President Obama's administration plans extra aid to. Syrian rebels As we heard yesterday some analysts see, hints in the statements of Secretary of State John Kerry that the U.S could take, even stronger | president obama's administration plans extra aid to syrian rebels. as we heard yesterday, some analysts see hints in the statements of secretary of state john kerry that the u.s. could take even stronger steps. |
James Dobbins hopes the U.S. does. The former envoy to Afghanistan, Bosnia and Kosovo argues U.S. policy is finally moving in the right direction. | james dobbins hopes the u.s; does the former envoy to afghanistan bosnia and, kosovo argues u.s policy is finally moving in the right | James Dobbins hopes the. U.S does The, former envoy to Afghanistan Bosnia and; Kosovo argues U.S policy is finally moving in the right | james dobbins hopes the u.s. does. the former envoy to afghanistan, bosnia and kosovo argues u.s. policy is finally moving in the right direction. |
I think it is. I think they've been moving too slowly. I think all of the regional experts agree that the longer the civil war goes on, the worse its aftermath is going to be; the more likely it is that the country splits asunder and that the conflict is transferred to neighboring states. | i think it is i think they've been moving too slowly i think all of the regional experts agree that, the longer the civil war goes on the worse its aftermath is going to be the more likely; it is that the country splits asunder and that the conflict is transferred to, neighboring | I think it is I think they've been moving too slowly. I think all. of the regional experts agree that the longer the civil war. goes. on the worse its aftermath is going to, be. the more likely it is that the country splits asunder and that the conflict is transferred to neighboring | i think it is. i think they've been moving too slowly. i think all of the regional experts agree that the longer the civil war goes on, the worse its aftermath is going to be; the more likely it is that the country splits asunder and that the conflict is transferred to neighboring states. |
You know, that's interesting because President Obama, some weeks ago in an interview with the New Republic, said one of the questions on my mind is why the conflict in Syria would be worthy of intervention, as opposed to something in the Congo. | you know that's interesting. because president, obama, some weeks ago in an interview with the new republic, said one of the questions on my mind is why the conflict in syria would, be worthy of intervention as opposed to, something in the | You know that's, interesting because President Obama some weeks ago in an interview with the New Republic said one of the questions on my mind is why the conflict in Syria would be worthy of intervention as opposed to something in the | you know, that's interesting because president obama, some weeks ago in an interview with the new republic, said one of the questions on my mind is why the conflict in syria would be worthy of intervention, as opposed to something in the congo. |
Well, I think there's two answers. One is that the largest U.N. peacekeeping force in the world is in the Congo, and the U.S. is paying for 25 percent of it. I don't think there's a realistic prospect for a U.N. force in Syria, and so that option isn't available. I think Russia and China would both stand in the way and... | well i think there's, two answers one is that the largest u.n, peacekeeping force in the world is in, the congo, and the u.s is paying for 25 percent of it i don't. think there's a realistic; prospect, for a u.n, force in syria and so that option isn't available i think russia and china would both. stand in the way and... | Well I. think there's two answers One is that the largest U.N peacekeeping force in, the world is in the Congo and the U.S is paying for 25 percent of it I don't think there's a realistic prospect for a U.N force. in Syria and so that option isn't available; I think Russia and. China would both stand in, the way and fr... | well, i think there's two answers. one is that the largest u.n. peacekeeping force in the world is in the congo, and the u.s. is paying for 25 percent of it. i don't think there's a realistic prospect for a u.n. force in syria, and so that option isn't available. i think russia and china would both stand in the way and... |
OK. You just hit one of the real challenges. You start sending arms, how much is enough? Because maybe artillery is not going to be sufficient here. Maybe that's not enough and you end up needing to help coordinate the opposition forces in some way. Maybe that's not enough and you end up having to send U.S. troops. | ok you just hit one of the real challenges you start sending arms how much, is enough? because; maybe artillery is not going to be sufficient here. maybe that's not, enough and you end up needing to help coordinate the opposition forces in some way maybe that's not. enough and you end up having to, send u.s. | OK You just hit one of the real challenges You start sending arms how much is enough? Because maybe artillery is not going to be, sufficient here Maybe that's not enough and you, end up, needing, to help coordinate the opposition forces in some way Maybe that's not enough and you end up having. to send U.S | ok. you just hit one of the real challenges. you start sending arms, how much is enough? because maybe artillery is not going to be sufficient here. maybe that's not enough and you end up needing to help coordinate the opposition forces in some way. maybe that's not enough and you end up having to send u.s. troops. |
Well, I'm not sure incrementalism makes the most sense. The consensus among all experts is that the longer this takes place, the worse the aftermath is going to be. | well i'm not sure incrementalism makes, the most sense the consensus. among all experts is that, the longer this takes place the worse the aftermath is going to. | Well I'm not sure incrementalism makes, the most sense The consensus among all, experts is that the longer this takes place the worse the aftermath is going to, | well, i'm not sure incrementalism makes the most sense. the consensus among all experts is that the longer this takes place, the worse the aftermath is going to be. |
But how much is going to be enough? | but how much is going to be | But how much is going to. be | but how much is going to be enough? |
Well, I think there are two options - they're not mutually exclusive. One is to provide equipment - arms - to the opposition. And the question there is what kind of arms are they actually capable of fielding and using? The second would be some kind of air intervention. People talk about a no-fly zone, but maybe a simpl... | well i think there are two options - they're not mutually exclusive one is to provide equipment - arms - to the opposition and the question there is what kind of arms are they actually capable; of fielding and using? the second, would be, some kind of air intervention people talk about a no-fly zone but maybe a simpler... | Well, I think there are two options - they're not. mutually exclusive. One is to provide equipment - arms - to the opposition And the question there is what kind of arms are they actually capable of fielding and using? The second would be some kind of air intervention People, talk about a no-fly zone but maybe a simple... | well, i think there are two options - they're not mutually exclusive. one is to provide equipment - arms - to the opposition. and the question there is what kind of arms are they actually capable of fielding and using? the second would be some kind of air intervention. people talk about a no-fly zone, but maybe a simpl... |
So even though people will talk about the limitations of air power, you're arguing that this is a situation where it can actually make a significant difference. | so even, though people will talk about the limitations of air power you're. arguing that this, is a situation where it can actually make a significant | So even though people will, talk about the limitations of air power you're. arguing that this is a situation where it can actually make a significant | so even though people will talk about the limitations of air power, you're arguing that this is a situation where it can actually make a significant difference. |
I think it would do more than any other single thing to change the balance. It is after all, only in the air that Assad is still sovereign over Syria, which is not to say that it's an alternative to providing arms. I think providing arms to the right people is important, not just with respect to how quickly it leads to... | i think it would do more than any other single thing to change the balance it is after all only in the air that assad is still sovereign over syria which is not to say that it's. an alternative to providing arms i think providing arms to the right people is important not just with respect to. how quickly it leads to as... | I think it would do more than any. other single thing to change the balance It is, after all only in. the air that Assad is still sovereign over Syria which is not to say that it's an alternative; to providing arms I think, providing arms to. the right. people is important not just with respect, to how. quickly it lead... | i think it would do more than any other single thing to change the balance. it is after all, only in the air that assad is still sovereign over syria, which is not to say that it's an alternative to providing arms. i think providing arms to the right people is important, not just with respect to how quickly it leads to... |
You just touched on another tough one there, providing arms to the right people. That's a hard one to figure out, isn't it? | you just touched on another tough one there providing arms to the right people that's a hard one to figure out isn't. | You just touched on another, tough one, there providing arms to the right people. That's a hard one to figure out isn't | you just touched on another tough one there, providing arms to the right people. that's a hard one to figure out, isn't it? |
Well, I think this tripped a wire on the privacy concerns that animate a lot of Republican politics. And Kobach's own state was not able to comply with his dictum because a lot of these states have passed - honestly, for other reasons, for kind of gun rights lobbying reasons - have passed strict privacy requirements th... | well. i, think this tripped a wire on the privacy concerns that animate a lot of republican politics and kobach's. own state was not able to comply with his dictum because a lot of these states. have passed - honestly for other reasons for kind of gun rights lobbying reasons - have; passed strict privacy requirements t... | Well I think this. tripped a wire on the privacy. concerns that animate a lot of Republican politics And Kobach's own state was not able to comply with his dictum because a lot of these states have passed - honestly for other reasons for kind, of gun rights lobbying reasons - have passed strict privacy requirements tha... | well, i think this tripped a wire on the privacy concerns that animate a lot of republican politics. and kobach's own state was not able to comply with his dictum because a lot of these states have passed - honestly, for other reasons, for kind of gun rights lobbying reasons - have passed strict privacy requirements th... |
It's just - when it hit this level of the government is asking for all this information to be swooped up in a database, I think years of public skepticism of seeing our information be stolen, be hacked, even if it's credit card information, that just rubbed people the wrong way. And it felt like Kobach under-rated what... | it's just - when it hit this level, of the government, is asking for all this information to be swooped up in a database i. think years of public, skepticism of seeing our information be stolen be hacked even if it's credit card information that just rubbed people the wrong way. and it felt like, kobach under-rated wha... | It's just - when, it hit this level of the government is, asking for all this information to be swooped. up in a database. I think years of public, skepticism of seeing our information be. stolen be hacked even if, it's credit card information that just rubbed people the wrong way And it felt like. Kobach under-rated w... | it's just - when it hit this level of the government is asking for all this information to be swooped up in a database, i think years of public skepticism of seeing our information be stolen, be hacked, even if it's credit card information, that just rubbed people the wrong way. and it felt like kobach under-rated what... |
There's already been something that's pushed people's buttons to that end, something that the White House released last week that sort of underscored that irritation for people. What was that? | there's already been something that's pushed people's buttons to that end, something that the white, house released last week that sort of underscored that irritation; for people what was | There's already been something, that's pushed people's buttons to that end something. that the White. House released last week that sort of underscored that irritation for people, What was | there's already been something that's pushed people's buttons to that end, something that the white house released last week that sort of underscored that irritation for people. what was that? |
They opened up this website to public comments. Almost all of the comments that they released were negative, I think only two were positive. But they did nothing to redact the names of who sent them. In many cases, the email addresses of the people who'd sent these. So the first time this group is asking for everyone's... | they opened up this website to public comments almost all of the comments that they released were negative. i think only two were positive but they did nothing to redact the names of who sent them in many cases the email addresses of the, people who'd sent these so the first. time this group is asking for everyone's pe... | They opened up this website to public comments Almost all of the comments that they, released were negative I think only two were, positive But, they did nothing to redact the; names of who sent them; In many, cases the email addresses of the people who'd sent, these So. the, first time this group is; asking for everyo... | they opened up this website to public comments. almost all of the comments that they released were negative, i think only two were positive. but they did nothing to redact the names of who sent them. in many cases, the email addresses of the people who'd sent these. so the first time this group is asking for everyone's... |
Well, so what's likely to happen this week when the commission meets for the first time publicly? | well so what's, likely to happen this week when the commission. meets for. the first time, | Well so what's likely to happen this week when the commission meets for the first time | well, so what's likely to happen this week when the commission meets for the first time publicly? |
I think we'll hear the degree to which they believe this falsehood that there are millions of illegal votes cast in the election. | i think we'll hear the degree to which. they believe this falsehood that there are millions of illegal. votes cast in the | I think we'll hear the degree to which they believe this falsehood, that there are millions, of illegal votes cast. in. the | i think we'll hear the degree to which they believe this falsehood that there are millions of illegal votes cast in the election. |
So election integrity in this context only means whether people who are ineligible to vote voted, as supposed to whether people who are eligible to vote were kept from voting? | so election integrity in this context only means whether. people who are ineligible to vote voted as supposed to whether people who are eligible to vote; were kept from | So election. integrity in this context, only means whether people who are ineligible to vote voted as supposed to, whether people who are eligible to vote were kept. from | so election integrity in this context only means whether people who are ineligible to vote voted, as supposed to whether people who are eligible to vote were kept from voting? |
That's a very good question. No one in this commission seems to be very interested in the fact that if you are African-American, it's far more likely you're going to spend a long time in line than if you're white, no matter where you live. They're not really interested in - there are people who should be voting and don... | that's a very good question no one in this commission seems to be very, interested in the fact that if; you are, african-american it's far more likely you're going, to spend a long time in line than if you're white no matter where you; live they're not really interested, in - there are people who, should be voting and ... | That's a very good, question No one. in this commission seems to be very interested in the fact that if you are African-American it's far more likely you're going to spend a long time in line than if you're white no matter where you live They're not really interested in - there are people, who should be. voting and don... | that's a very good question. no one in this commission seems to be very interested in the fact that if you are african-american, it's far more likely you're going to spend a long time in line than if you're white, no matter where you live. they're not really interested in - there are people who should be voting and don... |
It comes down to decades of speculation on the right that there are machines - Democratic machines that are churning out illegal votes in every election to power things over. And that's where it comes from. It's hard to analyze it in a vacuum, in a neutral space, because the origin of this is a theory that Democrats mu... | it comes down to decades of, speculation on the, right that there are machines - democratic machines, that are churning out illegal votes in. every election to. power things over and that's where it comes from it's hard to analyze it. in a vacuum in a neutral space because the origin of this, is a theory. that democrat... | It comes down to decades; of speculation on. the right that there are, machines - Democratic machines that are churning out illegal votes in every election to power things over. And that's where it, comes from It's hard to analyze it in a vacuum, in a. neutral space because the origin of this is a theory that Democrats... | it comes down to decades of speculation on the right that there are machines - democratic machines that are churning out illegal votes in every election to power things over. and that's where it comes from. it's hard to analyze it in a vacuum, in a neutral space, because the origin of this is a theory that democrats mu... |
That's Washington Post national political correspondent David Weigel. David was kind enough to join us here in our studios in Washington, D.C. Dave, thanks so much for speaking with us. | that's washington post national political correspondent david weigel david was kind enough to join us here in. our studios in, washington d.c dave thanks so much for speaking with | That's Washington Post national political. correspondent David Weigel David was kind, enough to join us here. in, our studios in Washington D.C Dave thanks so much for speaking with | that's washington post national political correspondent david weigel. david was kind enough to join us here in our studios in washington, d.c. dave, thanks so much for speaking with us. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
There's a national debate happening right now over law enforcement. And as part of that debate, a phrase is being used a lot - this idea of police militarization. Sometimes, that refers to police using military-style gear, but it also reflects a worry about a certain military mindset, especially as war veterans come ho... | there's a. national debate happening right now over law enforcement and as part of that debate. a phrase is being used a lot - this idea of police militarization sometimes that. refers to, police using military-style gear but it also reflects a worry about a certain military mindset especially as war veterans come home... | There's a national debate happening right now over law enforcement And as part; of that debate a phrase is being used. a lot - this idea of police militarization Sometimes, that refers, to police using military-style gear but it also reflects a worry about a certain military mindset especially as war veterans come home... | there's a national debate happening right now over law enforcement. and as part of that debate, a phrase is being used a lot - this idea of police militarization. sometimes, that refers to police using military-style gear, but it also reflects a worry about a certain military mindset, especially as war veterans come ho... |
Good morning. | good | Good | good morning. |
Tell us how this whole idea, this concern about vets being more aggressive as cops, how did it start? | tell us how this whole idea this concern. about vets being. more aggressive as. cops how did it | Tell us how this whole idea this concern about vets being more aggressive as cops how did it | tell us how this whole idea, this concern about vets being more aggressive as cops, how did it start? |
Well, what you need to keep in mind is that, for the last generation before this latest cycle of wars, American police forces were actually becoming more diverse, and police recruits were more likely to have college educations. And then, when the war started and then the veterans started coming home to work as police, ... | well what you need to keep in mind is that for the last; generation before this latest cycle of wars american police forces were actually becoming more diverse and police recruits were more, likely to have college educations and then when the war started and then the veterans started coming home to work as police there... | Well what you. need to keep in mind is that for the last generation before, this latest cycle of wars American police forces were actually becoming more diverse. and police recruits were more likely, to have college educations And then when the war started and. then the veterans started coming, home to work as, police ... | well, what you need to keep in mind is that, for the last generation before this latest cycle of wars, american police forces were actually becoming more diverse, and police recruits were more likely to have college educations. and then, when the war started and then the veterans started coming home to work as police, ... |
So what happened? Did it play out that way? | so what happened? did it play out that | So what happened? Did it, play out that, | so what happened? did it play out that way? |
In a word, no. In fact, some war veterans have shown more restraint than other police who don't have war experience. My colleague, Quil Lawrence, covers veterans, and he found such a case in the small town of Weirton, W.V. We have Quil's story here. And a word of warning - it does include a vivid description of a shoot... | in a word no in fact some war. veterans have shown more restraint than other police who don't have war experience my colleague quil lawrence covers veterans and; he found such a case, in the small town of weirton w.v we have quil's story here and a word of warning - it does include a vivid description. of a shooting bu... | In a word no In, fact some war veterans. have shown more restraint than other police who don't have war experience My colleague Quil Lawrence covers veterans and he found. such a case in the small town of Weirton W.V We have Quil's story here And a word of warning - it does include a, vivid description of a shooting Bu... | in a word, no. in fact, some war veterans have shown more restraint than other police who don't have war experience. my colleague, quil lawrence, covers veterans, and he found such a case in the small town of weirton, w.v. we have quil's story here. and a word of warning - it does include a vivid description of a shoot... |
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Hancock County 911. What is your emergency? | hancock county 911. what is your | Hancock County 911. What is your | hancock county 911. what is your emergency? |
Please send somebody to 119 Marie Avenue. We are in West Virginia. Right now - please, right now. | please send somebody to 119 marie avenue we are in, west virginia right now - please right | Please send somebody to 119 Marie Avenue We are in West. Virginia Right, now. - please right | please send somebody to 119 marie avenue. we are in west virginia. right now - please, right now. |
On May 6 at 2:51 in the morning, the emergency dispatcher puts out a call on the radio. | on may 6 at 2:51 in, the morning the emergency dispatcher puts out a call on the | On May 6 at 2:51 in the morning the emergency dispatcher puts out a call on the, | on may 6 at 2:51 in the morning, the emergency dispatcher puts out a call on the radio. |
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