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To learn more, we called Emma Larkin, which is a pseudonym that she uses, so that she is not prevented from reporting in Burma. She's been tracking the government's decision. | to learn more we called emma larkin which is a pseudonym that she uses, so that she is not prevented from reporting in burma she's been tracking the government's, | To learn more we called Emma Larkin which is a. pseudonym that she uses so that. she is not prevented from reporting in Burma She's been tracking the government's | to learn more, we called emma larkin, which is a pseudonym that she uses, so that she is not prevented from reporting in burma. she's been tracking the government's decision. |
I've spoken to a few people in Burma, but I doubt very much that many people in Burma are surprised by this. The international community, I think, was surprised because the U.N. under secretary general of Political Affairs had had a visit with Suu Kyi, and this was unheard of, because she's been more isolated than ever... | i've, spoken to a few people in burma but, i doubt very much that many people in. burma are surprised by this the international community. i think was surprised because the u.n under secretary general of political affairs had had a. visit with suu kyi and this was unheard of because she's been. more isolated than ever ... | I've spoken to a few. people in Burma but I doubt very much. that many people in Burma are surprised by this The international community I think was surprised because, the U.N under secretary general of, Political Affairs had had a, visit with Suu Kyi and this was unheard of because she's been more isolated. than ever ... | i've spoken to a few people in burma, but i doubt very much that many people in burma are surprised by this. the international community, i think, was surprised because the u.n. under secretary general of political affairs had had a visit with suu kyi, and this was unheard of, because she's been more isolated than ever... |
When you walk down a Burmese street, do you immediately get a sense of the kind of government that is ruling the place? | when you walk. down a burmese street do; you immediately. get a. sense. of the kind of government that is ruling the | When you walk down a Burmese street do you, immediately get a sense, of the kind. of government that is ruling the | when you walk down a burmese street, do you immediately get a sense of the kind of government that is ruling the place? |
No, not at all. And this is one of the really insidious things about Burma, I think, is that Burma's beginning to have quite a striving tourism industry, as people can come to the country. And you're restricted from where you can travel, so if you travel within the central areas of Burma, you really would never see any... | no not at all, and this is one of the really insidious. things about burma i think is that burma's beginning to have quite a striving tourism industry as people can; come to the, country and you're restricted from where you can travel, so, if you travel within the central areas of burma you really would never see any e... | No not at all And this. is. one. of the really insidious things about Burma I think is that Burma's beginning to have quite a striving tourism industry as people can come to the country And you're restricted; from, where you. can travel so if you travel, within, the central areas of Burma you really would never see any... | no, not at all. and this is one of the really insidious things about burma, i think, is that burma's beginning to have quite a striving tourism industry, as people can come to the country. and you're restricted from where you can travel, so if you travel within the central areas of burma, you really would never see any... |
Now, I want to understand how the country is run, getting beyond Aung San Suu Kyi and the way that she has been treated, what are some other violations of which this government has been accused? | now i want to understand how the country is run getting, beyond aung san suu kyi and the way that she has been treated what are some other violations of which this government has been | Now I want to understand how the country is run getting beyond Aung San Suu Kyi and the way that; she has been treated what are some other violations of which this government has been | now, i want to understand how the country is run, getting beyond aung san suu kyi and the way that she has been treated, what are some other violations of which this government has been accused? |
Well I think, if you take an urban area, a city like Yangon, in the capital, it's a place where your every move, in a sense, is monitored. If you're politically active in any way, if you've had any dealings with somebody who's been a political prisoner, you'll be on a watch list and your movements will be watched. | well i think if you take an. urban area a city like yangon in the capital it's a place where, your every move in a sense is monitored if you're politically active in any way if you've had, any dealings with somebody who's been a political prisoner you'll be on a watch. list and your movements will be | Well I think if. you take an urban area a city like Yangon in the. capital it's a place where your every move in a, sense, is monitored If you're politically active in any way if you've had any dealings with somebody; who's been a political prisoner you'll be on a watch, list and your, movements will be | well i think, if you take an urban area, a city like yangon, in the capital, it's a place where your every move, in a sense, is monitored. if you're politically active in any way, if you've had any dealings with somebody who's been a political prisoner, you'll be on a watch list and your movements will be watched. |
And then, if your friends suspect that you're on such a list, they will start to worry about associating with you or you may start to worry that they would inform upon you, if you said something. So it's a really untrusting environment. | and then, if your friends suspect that you're on such a list they will start, to worry about; associating with you or you may start to worry that they would inform, upon you if you said something, so it's a really untrusting | And then if your friends, suspect that you're on such a list they will start to worry about; associating with you or you may start to worry that they. would inform upon you if, you said something, So it's a really. untrusting | and then, if your friends suspect that you're on such a list, they will start to worry about associating with you or you may start to worry that they would inform upon you, if you said something. so it's a really untrusting environment. |
And yet, there was something that caused a senior United Nations official, just a few days ago, to think that things were changing. Is anything changing over time? | and yet there was something that caused a senior united nations official just a few days ago to think that things were changing is anything changing. over | And yet, there, was something that caused, a senior United, Nations official just a few, days ago to think, that things were changing, Is; anything changing over, | and yet, there was something that caused a senior united nations official, just a few days ago, to think that things were changing. is anything changing over time? |
In Utah, the six coal miners trapped in the Crandall Canyon mine may never be found. An attorney for the mine's owners says the mountain is just too unstable to continue with the rescue and recovery efforts. The mine collapsed August 6th. | in. utah, the six coal miners trapped in the crandall canyon mine may never be found an attorney, for the mine's owners says the mountain is just too unstable to continue with the rescue and recovery efforts the mine collapsed august | In Utah the six coal miners; trapped in the Crandall Canyon mine may never be found An attorney for the mine's owners says the mountain is just too unstable to continue with the rescue and recovery efforts The mine collapsed August | in utah, the six coal miners trapped in the crandall canyon mine may never be found. an attorney for the mine's owners says the mountain is just too unstable to continue with the rescue and recovery efforts. the mine collapsed august 6th. |
Former Rep. ANDREWS: This open-ended military commitment has to stop. And despite all the spin that you get from inside and outside of the Pentagon, this really is an open-ended military commitment. If you're going to have a conditions-based withdrawal, well, that is by definition open-ended. | former rep andrews: this open-ended military commitment has to stop and despite all the spin that you, get from, inside, and outside of, the pentagon this really is an open-ended military commitment if you're going to have a conditions-based withdrawal, well that, is by definition | Former Rep ANDREWS: This open-ended military commitment has to stop And despite all the; spin, that you get from inside, and; outside of the Pentagon this really is an open-ended military commitment If, you're going to have a conditions-based withdrawal well that is by definition | former rep. andrews: this open-ended military commitment has to stop. and despite all the spin that you get from inside and outside of the pentagon, this really is an open-ended military commitment. if you're going to have a conditions-based withdrawal, well, that is by definition open-ended. |
There are moving pieces within the Obama White House, too. The administration's annual review of Afghanistan-Pakistan strategy will be finished next month, according to a senior administration official. The official says the findings of that review will set the White House's Afghanistan policy calendar for the first si... | there are moving pieces within the obama white house too the. administration's annual review of afghanistan-pakistan strategy will be finished next month according to a senior administration official the official says the findings of that review will set the white house's afghanistan policy calendar for the first six m... | There are moving. pieces within the Obama White House too The administration's; annual review of Afghanistan-Pakistan strategy will be finished next. month according to, a senior, administration, official The official says the findings of that review will set the White House's Afghanistan policy calendar. for the first... | there are moving pieces within the obama white house, too. the administration's annual review of afghanistan-pakistan strategy will be finished next month, according to a senior administration official. the official says the findings of that review will set the white house's afghanistan policy calendar for the first si... |
Ari Shapiro, NPR News, Washington. | ari shapiro npr news | Ari Shapiro NPR News | ari shapiro, npr news, washington. |
Bipartisanship was not on the agenda at an annual gathering of political conservatives here in Washington. And today, that gathering had a surprise guest, former Vice President Dick Cheney. | bipartisanship. was not on the agenda at an annual gathering of political conservatives here in washington and today that gathering had. a surprise guest former vice president dick | Bipartisanship was not on the agenda at an annual gathering, of political conservatives, here; in Washington And today that gathering, had. a surprise guest former Vice President Dick | bipartisanship was not on the agenda at an annual gathering of political conservatives here in washington. and today, that gathering had a surprise guest, former vice president dick cheney. |
The sky is the limit here. I think 2010 is going to be a phenomenal year... | the sky is the, limit here i think 2010 is going to be a phenomenal | The sky is the limit here I think 2010 is going to. be a phenomenal | the sky is the limit here. i think 2010 is going to be a phenomenal year... |
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...for the conservative cause. | ...for the conservative | ...for. the conservative | ...for the conservative cause. |
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And I think Barack Obama is a one-term president. | and i think barack obama is. a one-term | And I think. Barack, Obama is a one-term | and i think barack obama is a one-term president. |
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Dozens of conservative luminaries are rallying their troops, making plans and dishing out plenty of criticism. And not all of it aimed at Democrats. | dozens of conservative luminaries are rallying. their troops making plans and dishing out plenty of criticism and not all of, it aimed at | Dozens of conservative luminaries are rallying. their troops making plans and; dishing out plenty of criticism And not all of it aimed at | dozens of conservative luminaries are rallying their troops, making plans and dishing out plenty of criticism. and not all of it aimed at democrats. |
NPR's Andrea Seabrook reports from the Conservative Political Action Conference. | npr's andrea seabrook reports from the conservative political action | NPR's Andrea Seabrook reports from the Conservative Political Action | npr's andrea seabrook reports from the conservative political action conference. |
If you think conservative is synonymous with Republican, well, just ask young conservatives at this conference. | if you think conservative is synonymous with republican well just ask young conservatives at this | If you think conservative, is synonymous with Republican; well just ask young conservatives at this | if you think conservative is synonymous with republican, well, just ask young conservatives at this conference. |
Unidentified Man #1: No, not at all, not necessarily. | unidentified man; #1: no not at all not | Unidentified Man #1: No not at all not | unidentified man #1: no, not at all, not necessarily. |
Unidentified Man #2: No, not now. | unidentified man #2: no not | Unidentified Man #2: No not | unidentified man #2: no, not now. |
These are among the hundreds of young people who have come to be energized at CPAC, the Conservative Political Action Conference. And they're not very happy with the Republican Party right now. Listen to Andrew Patterson of Monroeville, Pennsylvania. | these are. among the hundreds of young people who have; come to be, energized at cpac the. conservative political action conference and they're not very happy with, the republican party right now listen to andrew patterson of monroeville | These are among the hundreds of young people, who have come to be, energized at CPAC the Conservative Political Action Conference And they're not very happy with the Republican Party, right now Listen to Andrew Patterson of Monroeville | these are among the hundreds of young people who have come to be energized at cpac, the conservative political action conference. and they're not very happy with the republican party right now. listen to andrew patterson of monroeville, pennsylvania. |
The Republican Party has abandoned conservative values, so I don't think they are one in the same. | the republican. party has. abandoned conservative, values so i don't think they are one in. the | The Republican Party has abandoned conservative values so I don't think they, are one. in the | the republican party has abandoned conservative values, so i don't think they are one in the same. |
And John Landis up from Houston, Texas. | and john landis up from houston | And John Landis up. from Houston | and john landis up from houston, texas. |
It needs to come back to its conservative planks, which make up the platform. And until it does that, I will not be associated with the party itself, instead, just the principles. | it needs to come back to its conservative. planks which make up the platform and until, it does that i will not be associated with the party itself instead just the, | It needs to come back. to its conservative planks which make up the platform And until it does that I will not be associated with the party itself, instead just the | it needs to come back to its conservative planks, which make up the platform. and until it does that, i will not be associated with the party itself, instead, just the principles. |
And then there's Benjamin Cafferlin, a student in Ashland, Ohio. He says conservatism is stronger, it is immutable. | and then there's benjamin cafferlin a student in ashland ohio he says conservatism is, stronger it is | And then there's Benjamin Cafferlin a student in Ashland Ohio He says conservatism is stronger it is | and then there's benjamin cafferlin, a student in ashland, ohio. he says conservatism is stronger, it is immutable. |
Whereas Republicanism can shift and move away and get caught up in - might say - the general flux of general politics. | whereas, republicanism can shift and; move away. and get caught up in - might say - the general flux. of general | Whereas Republicanism can shift and move away and get caught up in - might say - the general flux of general | whereas republicanism can shift and move away and get caught up in - might say - the general flux of general politics. |
These are some of the young people fueling the conservative movement right now. They are at Tea Parties on college campuses and on campaigns. And they're feeling powerful right now because their support could be critical to the Republican Party's success. | these are some of the young people fueling the conservative movement right now. they are. at tea parties. on college campuses, and on campaigns and they're feeling, powerful right now because their support could be critical to the republican party's; | These are some of the young people fueling the conservative movement right now They are at Tea Parties on college campuses and on campaigns And they're feeling. powerful right now. because, their support could be critical to the Republican Party's | these are some of the young people fueling the conservative movement right now. they are at tea parties on college campuses and on campaigns. and they're feeling powerful right now because their support could be critical to the republican party's success. |
They must come to us and show they're worthy of our loyalty. We don't go to them. | they must come, to us and show they're worthy of our loyalty we don't; go to | They must come to us and show they're worthy of. our loyalty We don't go to | they must come to us and show they're worthy of our loyalty. we don't go to them. |
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Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey. A decade ago, he was a major figure in the Republican Party. Now, he sounds like he's outside it completely. It's not that conservatives and Republicans are splitting up, it's more like they're having an ugly spat. Republicans had it all, say conservatives - the White House, the... | former house majority leader dick armey, a decade ago he was a major figure in the republican party now he sounds like he's outside it completely it's, not that conservatives and republicans. are splitting. up it's more like they're. having, an ugly, spat republicans had. it all say conservatives - the white. house the... | Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey A. decade ago he was, a, major figure in the, Republican. Party Now he sounds like he's outside it completely It's not that conservatives and Republicans are splitting up it's more like they're having an ugly spat Republicans had it all say conservatives - the, White House the. S... | former house majority leader dick armey. a decade ago, he was a major figure in the republican party. now, he sounds like he's outside it completely. it's not that conservatives and republicans are splitting up, it's more like they're having an ugly spat. republicans had it all, say conservatives - the white house, the... |
We will be aware of your penchant for drinking backsliders' wine. | we will be aware, of, your penchant for drinking | We will be aware of. your penchant for drinking | we will be aware of your penchant for drinking backsliders' wine. |
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Now, when you think you're going to slip back to being those same people that broke our heart those few months ago, those few years ago, we will help you to find your way to someplace else. | now when you think you're going to slip back to being those same, people. that broke our heart those few months ago those few years ago we will help you to; find your way to someplace | Now when you think you're. going to, slip back to being those same people that. broke, our heart those few, months ago those few years ago we will, help you to, find your way to someplace | now, when you think you're going to slip back to being those same people that broke our heart those few months ago, those few years ago, we will help you to find your way to someplace else. |
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That was one of the main messages today. The leading lights of the conservative cause climbed the stage to rally their faithful: Former Vice President Dick Cheney, the new Massachusetts senator, Scott Brown, and the current Senator from South Carolina, Jim DeMint. | that was one of. the main messages, today the leading lights; of the; conservative cause climbed the; stage to rally their faithful: former vice president dick cheney the new massachusetts senator scott, brown and the. current senator from south carolina jim | That was one of the main messages today The leading lights of the conservative. cause climbed the stage to rally their faithful: Former Vice President Dick Cheney the new, Massachusetts senator Scott Brown and the current Senator from South Carolina Jim | that was one of the main messages today. the leading lights of the conservative cause climbed the stage to rally their faithful: former vice president dick cheney, the new massachusetts senator, scott brown, and the current senator from south carolina, jim demint. |
I'd rather have 30 Republicans in the Senate who believe in the principles of freedom than 60 who don't believe in anything. | i'd rather have. 30 republicans in the senate who believe in the, principles of freedom than 60 who don't believe, in | I'd rather have 30 Republicans in the Senate who, believe in. the, principles of freedom. than 60 who don't believe in | i'd rather have 30 republicans in the senate who believe in the principles of freedom than 60 who don't believe in anything. |
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Over and over, they flexed their political muscle, promising, as DeMint did, to force some discipline on the Republican Party. | over and over they flexed their political muscle promising as demint did to. force some discipline on the republican | Over and over they flexed their political muscle promising as DeMint did to force some discipline on the Republican | over and over, they flexed their political muscle, promising, as demint did, to force some discipline on the republican party. |
Now, when Republican senators don't do the things that they say they believe, voters should have a choice of a new Republican. | now when republican senators don't do the, things that they say they believe voters should have a choice, of a new | Now when. Republican senators don't do the things that they say they believe voters should have a choice of a new | now, when republican senators don't do the things that they say they believe, voters should have a choice of a new republican. |
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A real Republican. | a real | A real | a real republican. |
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One with the conservative stamp of approval. | one with the conservative stamp of, | One with the conservative stamp of | one with the conservative stamp of approval. |
Andrea Seabrook, NPR News, Washington. | andrea seabrook npr, news | Andrea. Seabrook NPR News | andrea seabrook, npr news, washington. |
A day after it ousted CEO Stan O'Neal, Merrill Lynch is on the hunt for a new chief executive. | a day after it ousted ceo; stan o'neal merrill lynch is on the hunt for a new. chief | A day after it. ousted CEO Stan O'Neal Merrill Lynch. is. on the hunt for a. new chief | a day after it ousted ceo stan o'neal, merrill lynch is on the hunt for a new chief executive. |
NPR's Anthony Brooks reports. | npr's anthony brooks | NPR's Anthony Brooks | npr's anthony brooks reports. |
Stan O'Neal is the most prominent casualty to date in the subprime mortgage meltdown. O'Neal faced fierce criticism and was ousted after the company reported record third quarter losses of more than $2 billion and an $8 billion write-down for failed mortgage-related investments. | stan o'neal is the, most prominent casualty to date in the subprime mortgage meltdown o'neal faced fierce criticism. and, was ousted after the company reported record third quarter losses of more than. $2 billion, and an $8 billion write-down. for failed mortgage-related | Stan O'Neal, is the most prominent casualty. to date in the subprime, mortgage meltdown O'Neal faced, fierce criticism and was ousted after the company reported record third quarter. losses of more than $2 billion and an $8 billion write-down for. failed mortgage-related | stan o'neal is the most prominent casualty to date in the subprime mortgage meltdown. o'neal faced fierce criticism and was ousted after the company reported record third quarter losses of more than $2 billion and an $8 billion write-down for failed mortgage-related investments. |
The question now is who will succeed him. Speculation has focused on Laurence Fink, the CEO of Blackrock, and Robert McCann who heads Merrill's brokerage division. | the question now is who will, succeed him speculation has focused on laurence fink the ceo of blackrock and robert mccann who heads merrill's brokerage | The question now is. who will succeed, him Speculation has focused on, Laurence Fink the CEO of Blackrock and Robert McCann who heads Merrill's; brokerage | the question now is who will succeed him. speculation has focused on laurence fink, the ceo of blackrock, and robert mccann who heads merrill's brokerage division. |
Joseph Bower, a professor at the Harvard Business School, says Merrill should choose a leader from inside the company. | joseph bower a professor at the, harvard business school says merrill should choose a leader, from inside the | Joseph Bower a professor at the Harvard Business School says Merrill should choose a leader, from inside the | joseph bower, a professor at the harvard business school, says merrill should choose a leader from inside the company. |
So that's pretty recently. Let's go to - this is Joel(ph), Joel with us from San Carlos, California. | so that's pretty recently let's, go to - this is joel(ph), joel with us from san carlos | So that's pretty recently Let's go to - this is Joel(ph), Joel with, us from San. Carlos | so that's pretty recently. let's go to - this is joel(ph), joel with us from san carlos, california. |
If measurable performance like on-time flights and lost bags are better, why do so many still hate the airlines? Our phone number is 800-989-8255. Email us, talk@npr.org. You can also join the conversation on our website. That's at npr.org. Just click on TALK OF THE NATION. If you work for the airlines, we want to hear... | if measurable performance like on-time, flights and lost bags are better why do, so many still hate the airlines? our phone number is 800-989-8255. email us talk@npr.org you can also join the conversation on our website that's at npr.org just click on talk of the nation if you work for, the airlines we want to, hear fr... | If measurable performance like on-time flights and lost bags are better why do so many still hate the airlines? Our phone number is 800-989-8255. Email us talk@npr.org You. can also join the conversation on our, website, That's at npr.org Just click on TALK OF THE, NATION If you work for the airlines. we want to hear f... | if measurable performance like on-time flights and lost bags are better, why do so many still hate the airlines? our phone number is 800-989-8255. email us, talk@npr.org. you can also join the conversation on our website. that's at npr.org. just click on talk of the nation. if you work for the airlines, we want to hear... |
Later in the program, on the Opinion Page, we begin a series on reducing the federal debt with a nonpartisan look at the numbers. But first, the airlines. And while we wait for your stories, we want to check in on the problems with Southwest. | later in the program on the opinion page we begin a series, on reducing the federal debt with a nonpartisan look at the numbers, but first the, airlines and while we wait for. your. stories we want to check, in on the problems with. | Later in the program on the Opinion Page we begin a series, on reducing the federal; debt; with a nonpartisan look at the numbers But first the airlines And while, we wait for your stories we want to check in on the problems with | later in the program, on the opinion page, we begin a series on reducing the federal debt with a nonpartisan look at the numbers. but first, the airlines. and while we wait for your stories, we want to check in on the problems with southwest. |
On Friday, a Southwest flight from Phoenix to Sacramento made an emergency landing after a hole opened in the roof of a Boeing 737-300. Aviation expert Clive Irving is a senior consulting editor for Conde Nast Traveler. His piece, "Why Planes Fall Apart," ran Saturday on The Daily Beast. And he joins us from our bureau... | on friday a southwest flight from phoenix to sacramento made. an emergency landing after a hole opened in the roof of a boeing 737-300. aviation expert clive irving is. a senior consulting editor for conde nast traveler his piece "why planes fall apart" ran saturday on the daily beast and he joins us from our bureau in... | On Friday a Southwest flight from. Phoenix. to Sacramento made an emergency landing after a, hole opened in the roof; of a Boeing 737-300. Aviation expert Clive Irving is a senior consulting editor for Conde Nast Traveler His piece "Why Planes Fall Apart" ran Saturday on The Daily, Beast And he joins us from our bureau... | on friday, a southwest flight from phoenix to sacramento made an emergency landing after a hole opened in the roof of a boeing 737-300. aviation expert clive irving is a senior consulting editor for conde nast traveler. his piece, "why planes fall apart," ran saturday on the daily beast. and he joins us from our bureau... |
And we've been hearing a lot about metal fatigue and issues with aircraft skin. You wrote that we know exactly what happened to Flight 812. | and we've, been hearing a, lot about metal fatigue. and issues with aircraft skin you wrote that we know exactly what, happened to flight | And. we've been hearing a lot about metal fatigue and issues with aircraft skin You. wrote that we know. exactly what, happened to. Flight | and we've been hearing a lot about metal fatigue and issues with aircraft skin. you wrote that we know exactly what happened to flight 812. |
Yes, we do know. This is a very understood and familiar event, where you get a small fatigue crack in the skin of the plane, and if it's been undetected, as it clearly was in this case, that can weaken the structure. | yes we do know this is a very understood and familiar. event where you get a small fatigue crack in the skin of the plane and if it's been undetected as it. clearly was in this case that can weaken the | Yes we do know This is a very understood and familiar event where you get a small fatigue crack in the, skin of the plane and if it's been undetected, as it clearly was in this case that can weaken the | yes, we do know. this is a very understood and familiar event, where you get a small fatigue crack in the skin of the plane, and if it's been undetected, as it clearly was in this case, that can weaken the structure. |
And what happens when a plane climbs to altitude is that there's a gradual change in the pressure inside the cabin and the pressure outside the cabin. Most airplane cabins are pressurized to the equivalent of 8,000 feet, which means that once the plane's above 8,000 feet, there's an increasing differential between thos... | and what happens when; a plane climbs to altitude is that there's a gradual change in the pressure inside the cabin and the pressure outside the cabin most airplane cabins are pressurized to the equivalent of 8,000 feet which means that once the plane's above 8,000 feet there's an increasing differential; between those... | And what happens when a plane climbs to; altitude is that there's a gradual change in the pressure inside the cabin and the pressure outside the cabin Most airplane cabins are pressurized to the equivalent of 8,000 feet which means that once the plane's above 8,000 feet there's an increasing differential between those ... | and what happens when a plane climbs to altitude is that there's a gradual change in the pressure inside the cabin and the pressure outside the cabin. most airplane cabins are pressurized to the equivalent of 8,000 feet, which means that once the plane's above 8,000 feet, there's an increasing differential between thos... |
So by the time it gets to cruise, which could be 34,000, where this event happened, or, say, 36,000, it's like a balloon where the pressure inside the balloon is greater than that outside. And if the skin of the balloon bursts, then the air escapes from it. That's exactly the phenomenon that happened to this Southwest ... | so by the time it gets to cruise which could be 34,000, where this event happened or say 36,000, it's like a. balloon where the pressure inside the balloon is greater than that outside and if the; skin of the balloon bursts then the air escapes. from it that's exactly the phenomenon that happened. to, this, southwest a... | So by the time, it gets to cruise which could. be 34,000, where this event happened, or say 36,000, it's like a balloon where, the pressure inside the balloon is, greater than that outside And if the skin of. the balloon bursts then the, air escapes from it That's exactly the phenomenon, that happened to this Southwest... | so by the time it gets to cruise, which could be 34,000, where this event happened, or, say, 36,000, it's like a balloon where the pressure inside the balloon is greater than that outside. and if the skin of the balloon bursts, then the air escapes from it. that's exactly the phenomenon that happened to this southwest ... |
And it goes by the scary name of explosive decompression. If what happened is known, if the phenomenon is well-understood, is prevention well-understood? | and, it goes by the. scary name of explosive decompression if what happened is known if the phenomenon is well-understood is prevention | And it goes by the scary name. of explosive decompression If what, happened is known if the phenomenon is well-understood is prevention | and it goes by the scary name of explosive decompression. if what happened is known, if the phenomenon is well-understood, is prevention well-understood? |
Prevention ought to be flawless, and it clearly isn't because obviously if this happened, even when there's a regime in place to specifically check 737s of this age for that condition - because there's a record of this happening - which means, I think, first of all, that the regime is not rigorous enough, and secondly,... | prevention ought. to be flawless and it clearly isn't because obviously if this happened even when there's a, regime in place to specifically check. 737s of this age for; that condition - because there's a record of this happening - which means i think, first of, all that the regime is not rigorous enough and secondly ... | Prevention ought to. be flawless and it clearly isn't because obviously if this happened. even when there's a regime in place to specifically check, 737s of this. age for that condition - because there's a record of this happening - which means I think first of all, that the regime is not rigorous enough and secondly i... | prevention ought to be flawless, and it clearly isn't because obviously if this happened, even when there's a regime in place to specifically check 737s of this age for that condition - because there's a record of this happening - which means, i think, first of all, that the regime is not rigorous enough, and secondly,... |
And part of the - is part of the problem the fact that Southwest, like a lot of airlines, does a lot of its maintenance overseas? | and part, of the - is part of the problem the fact, that southwest like a lot of airlines, does a lot of its, maintenance | And part, of, the - is part of the problem the fact that Southwest like a, lot of airlines does a lot; of its maintenance | and part of the - is part of the problem the fact that southwest, like a lot of airlines, does a lot of its maintenance overseas? |
I don't think you can connect those dots quite so easily. I am reluctant - I don't want to sound xenophobic. It doesn't follow necessarily that if you ship maintenance overseas that it's going to be done less well than it would be in the U.S. | i don't think you can connect those dots quite so easily i am reluctant - i don't want to sound xenophobic it doesn't follow necessarily that if you ship maintenance overseas that it's going; to be done less well than it would be in the | I don't think you can connect those dots quite so easily I am reluctant - I don't want to sound xenophobic It doesn't follow. necessarily that if. you ship maintenance overseas that it's going to be. done less well, than it. would be in the | i don't think you can connect those dots quite so easily. i am reluctant - i don't want to sound xenophobic. it doesn't follow necessarily that if you ship maintenance overseas that it's going to be done less well than it would be in the u.s. |
I mean, obviously it's being shipped there because the labor costs are far lower. It doesn't mean the competence of the people doing the tests is any less. | i mean obviously it's being shipped there because the labor costs are far lower it doesn't mean the competence of, the, people, doing the tests is, any | I mean obviously it's being shipped there because the labor costs are far lower. It doesn't mean the competence of. the people doing the tests; is any, | i mean, obviously it's being shipped there because the labor costs are far lower. it doesn't mean the competence of the people doing the tests is any less. |
But what really matters here, and this is the responsibility in the first place of the airline, what really matters is how well those maintenance checks which are done, how closely they're supervised. | but what really matters here and this. is the. responsibility in the first place of the airline what really matters is. how well those maintenance checks which are done how closely they're | But what really matters here and this is the, responsibility in the first, place of the airline what really matters, is how well those maintenance checks, which are; done how, closely they're | but what really matters here, and this is the responsibility in the first place of the airline, what really matters is how well those maintenance checks which are done, how closely they're supervised. |
In the case of Southwest, they do a lot of - the major checks in the life of an airplane are called heavy maintenance, and Southwest do it -we don't know yet if the last check done on this plane was done in El Salvador, but in fact Southwest does do a lot of its heavy maintenance in El Salvador. | in the case of southwest they do, a lot, of - the major checks in the life of an airplane are called, heavy maintenance and southwest do it -we don't know yet if the last check done. on this plane was done in el salvador but in fact southwest does do a lot of its heavy maintenance in el | In the case of Southwest they do a lot of - the major checks in, the life of an airplane are called heavy maintenance and Southwest do it -we. don't. know yet if the last check done on this plane was done in El Salvador but in fact, Southwest does do a lot of its heavy maintenance in El | in the case of southwest, they do a lot of - the major checks in the life of an airplane are called heavy maintenance, and southwest do it -we don't know yet if the last check done on this plane was done in el salvador, but in fact southwest does do a lot of its heavy maintenance in el salvador. |
And I believe that the airline has, say, two people down there all the time supervising these checks. But you have to remember that this business is intensive, and they work three shifts, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. | and i believe that the airline. has say two people down there all the, time supervising. these checks but you have, to remember that this business is intensive and they work three shifts 24 hours a day seven days a | And I believe that the airline has say two people down, there all the time supervising these. checks But, you have to remember that. this business is intensive and they work three shifts 24 hours a. day. seven days a | and i believe that the airline has, say, two people down there all the time supervising these checks. but you have to remember that this business is intensive, and they work three shifts, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. |
It takes around nine hours to check each plane for these cracks. The problem is that the technology used is designed to react to known problems in the metal, not necessarily, so far, unknown problems in the metal. It's far too arcane a subject to go into in any detail, but that's the basic situation. | it takes around nine hours to check each plane for. these cracks the problem is that the technology used is, designed to react to known problems in the metal not necessarily, so far unknown problems in the metal it's far too arcane a subject to go into in any detail but that's the basic | It. takes around nine. hours to check each plane for these cracks The problem is that the technology used is designed to react to known problems in the metal not necessarily so far unknown problems in the metal It's; far too arcane a subject, to go; into; in any detail but that's the basic | it takes around nine hours to check each plane for these cracks. the problem is that the technology used is designed to react to known problems in the metal, not necessarily, so far, unknown problems in the metal. it's far too arcane a subject to go into in any detail, but that's the basic situation. |
So what we need to be worried about here is we're not picking up, in the earliest stage, if there's a flaw in the skin of the airplane. And every incident of the kind that happened on Friday should be regarded as a precursor to a possible crash. I think there's far too much complacency in saying: Well, the plane got do... | so what we need to be worried about here, is. we're not picking up in the. earliest stage if there's a; flaw in the skin, of the airplane and every incident of the kind that happened on friday should be regarded as a precursor to a possible crash i, think there's far too much. complacency in saying: well the plane got ... | So what. we need to be worried about here is we're not picking up in the earliest stage if there's, a flaw in the skin. of the airplane And every incident of the kind that happened on Friday should be regarded as a precursor to a possible crash I think there's, far too much complacency in saying: Well the plane got dow... | so what we need to be worried about here is we're not picking up, in the earliest stage, if there's a flaw in the skin of the airplane. and every incident of the kind that happened on friday should be regarded as a precursor to a possible crash. i think there's far too much complacency in saying: well, the plane got do... |
Not one in flight. The other part is they fly one type of plane. It's one of the reasons for their success, their business model. They fly the 737 in various models. This plane is among its older planes. | not one in flight the other part is they fly one type of plane it's one of the reasons for their success their business model they fly the 737 in various models this, plane is, among its older | Not one. in flight The other part is they. fly one type of plane It's one of the reasons for their success their business model They fly the 737 in various models This. plane is among its older | not one in flight. the other part is they fly one type of plane. it's one of the reasons for their success, their business model. they fly the 737 in various models. this plane is among its older planes. |
Yeah, well, you've got a conjunction here of frequent flying, every day - each plane in the fleet probably flies six or seven flights a day. What matters crucially in terms of the decompression is the number of times the pressure changes each day, because that is what, in the end, adds up. | yeah well you've got a conjunction here of frequent flying every. day. - each plane in the fleet probably flies six or, seven flights a day what matters crucially in terms of. the decompression is the number of times the pressure. changes each day because that is what in the end adds, | Yeah well you've. got a conjunction here of frequent flying every; day - each plane in the fleet probably flies six or seven flights a day What matters, crucially in terms of the decompression is the number of times the pressure changes each day because that is what in the end adds. | yeah, well, you've got a conjunction here of frequent flying, every day - each plane in the fleet probably flies six or seven flights a day. what matters crucially in terms of the decompression is the number of times the pressure changes each day, because that is what, in the end, adds up. |
It adds up in a way that causes metal fatigue. So you've got that, the number of times these Southwest planes are flown each day, and then you've got the age of the plane. In this case, the plane was 15 years old. | it adds up in a way, that causes metal fatigue so you've got that the number of times these southwest planes are flown. each day and then you've got the age of the plane in this. case the plane was 15 years | It adds up in a way that causes metal fatigue, So you've got that the number of times these Southwest planes are flown. each day and then you've got the age of the plane In this, case the plane was 15 years | it adds up in a way that causes metal fatigue. so you've got that, the number of times these southwest planes are flown each day, and then you've got the age of the plane. in this case, the plane was 15 years old. |
It had done about 46,000 cycles - a cycle is a technical term for takeoffs and landings per day - which is a very high number of cycles for a plane of that age. And so it means that it's almost certain, from this episode, that we need to have more frequent checks on not only planes of that age but maybe younger planes ... | it had done. about. 46,000 cycles - a cycle is a technical term for takeoffs and landings per day. - which. is a very high number of. cycles for a plane of that age; and so it means that it's almost, certain from this episode that we need to, have more frequent. checks on not only planes. of that age but maybe younger.... | It had done about, 46,000 cycles - a cycle is a technical term for takeoffs and landings per day - which is a. very high number of cycles for a; plane of that, age, And so it means that it's almost certain, from this episode, that we need to have. more frequent checks on not only planes, of that age but maybe younger p... | it had done about 46,000 cycles - a cycle is a technical term for takeoffs and landings per day - which is a very high number of cycles for a plane of that age. and so it means that it's almost certain, from this episode, that we need to have more frequent checks on not only planes of that age but maybe younger planes ... |
And the fact is they seem to have found cracks. After they grounded that whole fleet of 737-300s over the weekend to inspect more closely, they found more cracks. | and the fact is they seem. to have found cracks after they grounded that whole fleet of 737-300s over the weekend to inspect more closely they, found more | And the fact is they seem to have found cracks After they grounded that whole fleet of 737-300s over the weekend to inspect more closely they found more | and the fact is they seem to have found cracks. after they grounded that whole fleet of 737-300s over the weekend to inspect more closely, they found more cracks. |
Yeah, I think that's quite alarming too. I think, in a way, there's a paradox here, which is fascinating, which is that because there are so few serious crashes now, because the safety regime is so effective, that we've become tolerant of close calls. And this was certainly a close call. But my question is: How close d... | yeah i think that's quite alarming too i. think in a way there's a paradox here which is fascinating which is that because there are so few serious crashes. now. because the, safety regime is so effective that we've become tolerant of close; calls and this was certainly a, close call. but. my question is: how close do ... | Yeah I think that's quite alarming too I think in a way there's, a paradox here which, is fascinating which is that, because there are so few serious crashes now because the safety regime is so effective, that we've become tolerant of. close. calls And, this was certainly a close call But my question is: How, close do ... | yeah, i think that's quite alarming too. i think, in a way, there's a paradox here, which is fascinating, which is that because there are so few serious crashes now, because the safety regime is so effective, that we've become tolerant of close calls. and this was certainly a close call. but my question is: how close d... |
No, but I've noticed this, that every time you get a major episode, like the one on Friday, a lot of other incidents, which normally would not be reported, do get reported because there's a sort of alertness to it. | no but, i've. noticed this that every time you get a major episode, like the one on friday a lot of, other incidents which normally would not be reported do get reported because there's a sort of alertness. to | No but. I've noticed this that, every time you get a major episode like the one, on Friday a lot of other incidents which normally would, not be reported. do get reported because there's a sort of alertness to | no, but i've noticed this, that every time you get a major episode, like the one on friday, a lot of other incidents, which normally would not be reported, do get reported because there's a sort of alertness to it. |
Dealing with bus - the NTSB is stretched very thin. They have to cover basically every incident involving transportation. People don't realize that they're not just dealing with airlines. | dealing with bus - the ntsb is stretched very thin they have to cover. basically every incident involving transportation people don't realize that, they're not just dealing with | Dealing with bus - the. NTSB is stretched very thin They have to cover, basically every incident involving transportation People don't realize that they're not just dealing with | dealing with bus - the ntsb is stretched very thin. they have to cover basically every incident involving transportation. people don't realize that they're not just dealing with airlines. |
And I think we depend a lot on - their integrity is very high. They have very good people there, and they should be making recommendations on the basis of what they find, in this case to the FAA, which is a far more bureaucratic and slow-moving organization. | and i think. we depend a lot, on - their integrity is very high they have very good people there and they should be. making recommendations, on the basis of what; they find in. this. case to the faa which is a far more bureaucratic and slow-moving | And I think we depend a lot on - their integrity is very high They have very good people there and they should be, making recommendations on, the basis of what they find in this case; to the FAA. which is a far, more bureaucratic and slow-moving | and i think we depend a lot on - their integrity is very high. they have very good people there, and they should be making recommendations on the basis of what they find, in this case to the faa, which is a far more bureaucratic and slow-moving organization. |
Well, thanks very much for your time today, appreciate it. | well thanks very much for your time today appreciate | Well thanks very much for your time today appreciate | well, thanks very much for your time today, appreciate it. |
You're welcome. | you're | You're | you're welcome. |
Clive Irving is senior consulting editor for Conde Nast Traveler. He joined us from our bureau in New York. You can find a link to his piece in The Daily Beast on our website. That's at npr.org. Just click on TALK OF THE NATION. | clive. irving is senior consulting editor for conde nast traveler he joined us from our, bureau in, new york you can find a link to his; piece in the. daily beast on our website that's at npr.org just click on talk. of the | Clive Irving is senior consulting editor for Conde Nast Traveler He joined us from our bureau in New York, You, can find a link to his piece in The Daily; Beast on our website That's at npr.org Just click on TALK OF THE | clive irving is senior consulting editor for conde nast traveler. he joined us from our bureau in new york. you can find a link to his piece in the daily beast on our website. that's at npr.org. just click on talk of the nation. |
As we mentioned earlier, the airline industry got more bad news today, a study that shows that though airline quality has moved in some measurable areas, air passenger complaints have jumped. Joe Brancatelli is the editor of joesentme.com, a website for business travelers. He's also a business travel columnist for Port... | as we mentioned earlier the. airline industry got more bad news today a study that shows that though, airline quality has moved in some measurable areas air passenger complaints have jumped joe brancatelli, is the editor of joesentme.com a website for business travelers he's, also a business, travel columnist for portf... | As we mentioned earlier the airline industry. got, more bad news today a study that shows that though, airline. quality has, moved in. some measurable areas air passenger complaints have. jumped Joe Brancatelli is the editor of joesentme.com a website for business travelers He's also a business travel columnist for Por... | as we mentioned earlier, the airline industry got more bad news today, a study that shows that though airline quality has moved in some measurable areas, air passenger complaints have jumped. joe brancatelli is the editor of joesentme.com, a website for business travelers. he's also a business travel columnist for port... |
Thank you, Neal, it's always a pleasure to be here. | thank you neal it's always a pleasure to be, | Thank you Neal it's always a pleasure to be | thank you, neal, it's always a pleasure to be here. |
So when people are getting bumped less often, they're arriving on time, and their bags show up when they're supposed to, how come all those complaints keep going up? | so when people are getting bumped less often. they're arriving on time and their, bags show, up when they're supposed to how come all those complaints keep going | So when people are getting bumped less often they're arriving on time and their bags show up when they're. supposed to how, come all those complaints keep going | so when people are getting bumped less often, they're arriving on time, and their bags show up when they're supposed to, how come all those complaints keep going up? |
Well, part of the problem is, Neal, is that if you look at the statistics, the statistics tell facts, not the truth. You know the old line that that they said about Mussolini, at least he got the trains running? | well part of the problem is neal, is that if you look at the statistics the statistics tell facts not the truth you know the old line that that they said about mussolini at least he got the trains | Well part, of the problem is Neal is that if you look at the statistics the, statistics tell facts not the. truth You know the old line that. that they said about, Mussolini at least he got the trains | well, part of the problem is, neal, is that if you look at the statistics, the statistics tell facts, not the truth. you know the old line that that they said about mussolini, at least he got the trains running? |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
Well, the way he got the trains running was to jigger the schedule so that there was more - the same trip took more time. | well the, way he got the trains. running, was to jigger the schedule, so that there was more - the same trip took more | Well the way he got the trains running was to jigger the schedule so that there was more. - the same trip took more | well, the way he got the trains running was to jigger the schedule so that there was more - the same trip took more time. |
Ah. | ah. | ||
The airlines do the same thing now with their flights. I'm old enough to remember the days when I could fly from Los Angeles to New York on the redeye overnight, and I would leave at 10 o'clock and be on the runway in New York at 5 o'clock. | the airlines do the same thing now with their flights i'm old enough to remember the days when i could fly from los angeles to new york on the redeye overnight and i would leave at 10 o'clock and be on the runway in new york at | The airlines do the same thing now with their flights, I'm old enough to remember the, days when I could fly from Los Angeles to, New York on the redeye overnight and I, would leave at 10 o'clock, and be on the runway in New York at | the airlines do the same thing now with their flights. i'm old enough to remember the days when i could fly from los angeles to new york on the redeye overnight, and i would leave at 10 o'clock and be on the runway in new york at 5 o'clock. |
Now the flight at 10 o'clock gets in at 6 o'clock, and it's on time, because they've added an hour to the - the airline industry calls it block time. So they can solve that problem, of timeliness, by just adding delay time into it. | now the. flight at 10 o'clock gets in at 6 o'clock and. it's on. time because they've added an hour to the - the airline industry calls it, block time so they can solve that problem of. timeliness by just adding delay time into | Now the flight at 10 o'clock gets in at 6 o'clock. and it's on time because they've added an hour to the - the airline industry calls. it block time So, they can solve that problem of timeliness by just adding delay time into | now the flight at 10 o'clock gets in at 6 o'clock, and it's on time, because they've added an hour to the - the airline industry calls it block time. so they can solve that problem, of timeliness, by just adding delay time into it. |
Well, what about the bags then? | well what about the bags | Well what about the bags | well, what about the bags then? |
Well, the bags situation now, in fairness, they have gotten slightly better in handling bags, in what they call mishandled bags, because they would never admit they've lost a bag. It's called mishandled bags. | well the bags situation now in fairness they have gotten slightly better in handling bags in what they call mishandled bags because they would never admit they've lost a bag it's called mishandled | Well the bags, situation now in fairness they have gotten slightly better in handling bags in what they call mishandled bags because. they would never admit. they've lost a bag It's called mishandled | well, the bags situation now, in fairness, they have gotten slightly better in handling bags, in what they call mishandled bags, because they would never admit they've lost a bag. it's called mishandled bags. |
But part of it is also for the last three years the airlines have begun to charge for the privilege of checking a bag. So fewer people are checking bags. | but part of it is also for the, last three years the airlines, have begun to charge for the, privilege of checking a bag; so fewer people are checking | But part of it, is also for the last three years the. airlines have begun, to charge for the, privilege of checking a bag So fewer people are checking. | but part of it is also for the last three years the airlines have begun to charge for the privilege of checking a bag. so fewer people are checking bags. |
Ah, so there's fewer bags to lose. | ah, so there's fewer. bags to | Ah so there's fewer bags to. | ah, so there's fewer bags to lose. |
Exactly, and also the systems are not as stretched. As you were speaking with Clive, the NTSB being stretched, the commercial airline system is stretched so far beyond capacity. My bad metaphor, but it works, it's like putting six or seven pounds of sugar in a five-pound bag and being shocked when the bag breaks. | exactly and also the systems are not as stretched as you were, speaking with clive the ntsb. being stretched the commercial airline system is stretched so far beyond capacity my bad metaphor but it works it's. like putting six or seven pounds of sugar in a five-pound bag and being shocked when the bag, | Exactly and also the, systems are not as stretched As you were speaking with Clive the, NTSB being stretched the commercial airline system is stretched so far beyond; capacity My bad metaphor but it works. it's like putting six or. seven, pounds of sugar in a five-pound bag and being shocked when the bag | exactly, and also the systems are not as stretched. as you were speaking with clive, the ntsb being stretched, the commercial airline system is stretched so far beyond capacity. my bad metaphor, but it works, it's like putting six or seven pounds of sugar in a five-pound bag and being shocked when the bag breaks. |
We're talking about why so many people still hate the airlines, even when measurable performance has improved. Our guest is Joe Brancatelli of joesentme.com, 800-989-8255. Email talk@npr.org. Suzanne(ph) is with us from Fernandina Beach in Florida. | we're talking, about why so many people still hate the. airlines even when measurable performance has improved our guest is joe. brancatelli of joesentme.com 800-989-8255. email, talk@npr.org suzanne(ph) is with us from fernandina beach in | We're. talking about why so many people still hate the airlines even when measurable. performance has improved Our guest is Joe Brancatelli. of joesentme.com 800-989-8255. Email talk@npr.org. Suzanne(ph) is with us from, Fernandina Beach in | we're talking about why so many people still hate the airlines, even when measurable performance has improved. our guest is joe brancatelli of joesentme.com, 800-989-8255. email talk@npr.org. suzanne(ph) is with us from fernandina beach in florida. |
Hi, Neal, thank you for taking my call. | hi neal thank you for taking my | Hi Neal thank you for, taking my | hi, neal, thank you for taking my call. |
Sure. | sure. |
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