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I believe so much in God. I believe so much that this is not it. We have life after this is done. | i believe so much in god i believe so much that this is not it we have life after this is | I believe so much in God I believe so much that this, is not it We have life after this is, | i believe so much in god. i believe so much that this is not it. we have life after this is done. |
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So my brother's in a place now where he is most certainly going to live forever in the hereafter. So he's going to live forever twice, because he's going to live forever right here because the world will never, ever forget Michael Jackson. I love you, my brother. | so my brother's in a place now where he is most certainly going to live forever, in the. hereafter so he's going to live. forever, twice, because he's going to live forever right here because the world will never ever forget michael jackson i love you my | So my brother's, in a place now where he is. most certainly going to live forever in the hereafter So he's, going to live forever twice because he's going to live forever right here because. the; world will never, ever forget Michael Jackson I love you my | so my brother's in a place now where he is most certainly going to live forever in the hereafter. so he's going to live forever twice, because he's going to live forever right here because the world will never, ever forget michael jackson. i love you, my brother. |
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Smokey Robinson in the Staples Center in Los Angeles, at the memorial service for Michael Jackson. Earlier, we heard Mariah Carey singing about Michael Jackson and one of his songs. This is TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. I'm Neal Conan in Washington. Stay with us. | smokey robinson in the staples center. in los angeles at the memorial service for michael jackson earlier we heard mariah carey singing. about michael jackson and one of, his songs this is talk of, the nation from npr news i'm neal conan in washington stay with | Smokey Robinson in the Staples Center in Los. Angeles. at the. memorial service for, Michael Jackson Earlier we heard Mariah Carey singing about Michael Jackson and. one of his songs This is TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News I'm Neal Conan in Washington Stay with | smokey robinson in the staples center in los angeles, at the memorial service for michael jackson. earlier, we heard mariah carey singing about michael jackson and one of his songs. this is talk of the nation from npr news. i'm neal conan in washington. stay with us. |
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This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Neal Conan in Washington. Today, music legends and fans gathered at the Staples Center to say goodbye to Michael. Among them, Berry Gordy Jr., the founder of Motown Records, the label that first signed the Jackson 5. He remembered a 10-year-old Michael Jackson in his first audition in 19... | this is talk of the nation i'm neal conan in washington today, music legends and fans gathered at the staples center to say goodbye to michael among, them berry gordy jr., the founder of motown records the label that, first signed the jackson 5. he remembered a 10-year-old michael jackson in his first audition in 1968,... | This is TALK OF THE NATION I'm. Neal Conan in Washington Today music legends and fans gathered at the; Staples, Center to say goodbye to. Michael Among them Berry Gordy Jr., the founder of Motown Records the label that first signed the Jackson 5. He remembered a 10-year-old Michael Jackson in his first audition in 1968... | this is talk of the nation. i'm neal conan in washington. today, music legends and fans gathered at the staples center to say goodbye to michael. among them, berry gordy jr., the founder of motown records, the label that first signed the jackson 5. he remembered a 10-year-old michael jackson in his first audition in 19... |
What does this moment mean to you? 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org. You can also join the conversation on our Web site. That's at npr.org. Click on TALK OF THE NATION. We're going to listen to some more excerpts from the service that happened earlier today. Here's Queen Latifah, who said she was there to represent... | what does this moment mean to you? 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org. you can also join the conversation on our. web site, that's at npr.org click on talk of; the nation we're going to listen to some more excerpts from the service that happened earlier today here's queen latifah who said, she was, there to. represen... | What does this, moment, mean to. you? 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org You can also join the conversation on our, Web, site That's, at npr.org Click on TALK OF THE NATION We're going to listen to some more. excerpts from the service that happened earlier today Here's Queen Latifah who said she was there to represen... | what does this moment mean to you? 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org. you can also join the conversation on our web site. that's at npr.org. click on talk of the nation. we're going to listen to some more excerpts from the service that happened earlier today. here's queen latifah, who said she was there to represent... |
Somehow, when Michael Jackson sang and when he danced, we never felt distant. We felt like he was right there, right before us. You believed in Michael, and he believed in you. He made you believe in yourself. | somehow when michael jackson sang, and. when he danced we never felt distant we felt like he was right. there. right before us you believed in michael and he believed in; you he, made, you believe. in | Somehow when Michael Jackson sang. and when he danced we never felt, distant We felt like he was right there right before us You believed in Michael; and he believed in, you He made you believe in | somehow, when michael jackson sang and when he danced, we never felt distant. we felt like he was right there, right before us. you believed in michael, and he believed in you. he made you believe in yourself. |
I loved him all my life. One of the first records my brother and I ever bought was "Dancing Machine," and I'll never forget the two of us trying to, like, get the robot going, trying to be like the Jackson 5. Thank you. Thank you. Michael was the biggest star on Earth. | i loved him all my life one of the first records my brother and i ever bought was "dancing machine" and i'll never forget the. two of us trying to like get the robot going, trying to be like the jackson 5. thank you thank you michael was the biggest star on | I loved him all my life One of the first records my brother. and I ever bought was "Dancing Machine" and I'll never forget the two of us, trying to like get, the robot going trying to be like the Jackson 5. Thank you Thank you Michael was, the biggest star on | i loved him all my life. one of the first records my brother and i ever bought was "dancing machine," and i'll never forget the two of us trying to, like, get the robot going, trying to be like the jackson 5. thank you. thank you. michael was the biggest star on earth. |
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He let me know that as an African-American, you could travel the world. There was a world outside of America, other people. All you people who came here to pay respect to someone who you felt was one of you, a human being first. | he let me know that as an african-american you could travel the world there was a world outside of america other people all you people who. came here to pay respect to someone who you felt was one of you a human being | He let me know. that as an African-American you could travel the world There was a. world outside of America other people All you people who came, here to pay respect to someone who you felt was one of you, a human being | he let me know that as an african-american, you could travel the world. there was a world outside of america, other people. all you people who came here to pay respect to someone who you felt was one of you, a human being first. |
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(Singing) Father, help your children, and don't let them fall by the side of the road. And teach them to love one another, that heaven might find a place in their hearts, 'cause Jesus is love. He won't let you down. And I know he's mine, he's mine, he's mine, he's mine, he's mine forever, oh, in my heart. | (singing) father help your children and don't let them fall by the side. of the road and teach them; to love one another that heaven might find a place in their hearts 'cause jesus is love he won't let, you down and i know he's mine he's mine he's mine he's mine he's, mine, forever. oh. in my | (Singing) Father help your children and don't let them, fall by the side of, the road, And teach them to love one another that heaven, might find a place in their hearts. 'cause Jesus is love He won't let, you down. And I know he's mine he's mine he's mine he's mine he's, mine, forever. oh in my; | (singing) father, help your children, and don't let them fall by the side of the road. and teach them to love one another, that heaven might find a place in their hearts, 'cause jesus is love. he won't let you down. and i know he's mine, he's mine, he's mine, he's mine, he's mine forever, oh, in my heart. |
Come on, now. | come on | Come on | come on, now. |
(Singing) We've got to walk on, walk on through temptation. His love and his wisdom will be our helping hand. And I know the truth, and his words will be our salvation. Lift up our hearts to be thankful and glad because Jesus is love, yeah. He won't let you down. And I know, yeah, he's mine, he's mine, he's mine, he's ... | (singing) we've got to walk on walk on through temptation his love and his wisdom will be our helping hand and i know the truth and his. words will be our salvation lift up our hearts. to be thankful and glad because jesus is love yeah he won't. let you down, and i know yeah he's mine he's mine he's mine he's mine all ... | (Singing) We've got to walk on walk on through temptation His love and, his wisdom. will be. our, helping hand And I know the truth and his words will, be our salvation Lift up our hearts to be thankful and glad, because Jesus is love yeah He won't let you down And I know yeah he's, mine he's mine he's mine he's mine, ... | (singing) we've got to walk on, walk on through temptation. his love and his wisdom will be our helping hand. and i know the truth, and his words will be our salvation. lift up our hearts to be thankful and glad because jesus is love, yeah. he won't let you down. and i know, yeah, he's mine, he's mine, he's mine, he's ... |
Help me, now. | help me | Help me | help me, now. |
Lionel Richie at the memorial for Michael Jackson, at the Staples Center in Los Angeles. Nelson George is a director, author and television producer. In 1983, he wrote "The Michael Jackson Story," and joins us from NPR's bureau in New York. Nice to have you with us today. | lionel, richie at the memorial for michael jackson at the staples center in los angeles nelson george. is a director author and television producer in 1983, he wrote "the michael jackson story" and joins us from npr's bureau in new york nice to have you with us, | Lionel Richie at the memorial for Michael Jackson at the Staples Center in Los Angeles Nelson, George is a director author and television producer In 1983, he wrote "The Michael Jackson Story" and, joins us from NPR's bureau in New York Nice to have you with us, | lionel richie at the memorial for michael jackson, at the staples center in los angeles. nelson george is a director, author and television producer. in 1983, he wrote "the michael jackson story," and joins us from npr's bureau in new york. nice to have you with us today. |
Nice to be here. | nice to be | Nice. to be, | nice to be here. |
And Bill Wyman, a longtime music and arts reporter, now editor of Hitsville.org, and he joins us from his home in Phoenix, Arizona. Nice to have you with us today. | and bill wyman a longtime music and arts reporter now editor of hitsville.org and he, joins us from his home in. phoenix arizona nice to have you with us | And Bill Wyman a longtime music and arts, reporter now editor of Hitsville.org and he joins us from his home in Phoenix Arizona Nice, to have you with us | and bill wyman, a longtime music and arts reporter, now editor of hitsville.org, and he joins us from his home in phoenix, arizona. nice to have you with us today. |
Hey, Neal, how are you? | hey neal how are | Hey Neal how are | hey, neal, how are you? |
I'm well, thanks, Bill, and we brought you both on because you made some interesting allusions to Michael Jackson. And let me start with you, Nelson George. You drew a comparison between Michael Jackson and "Citizen Kane." | i'm, well thanks bill and we brought you both on because you, made some interesting allusions to michael jackson and let me start with you nelson george you drew a comparison between michael jackson, and "citizen | I'm well thanks Bill and we brought you both on because you made some interesting allusions. to Michael Jackson. And let me start with. you Nelson George You drew a comparison between Michael Jackson and "Citizen | i'm well, thanks, bill, and we brought you both on because you made some interesting allusions to michael jackson. and let me start with you, nelson george. you drew a comparison between michael jackson and "citizen kane." |
Well, I mean, his death was quite sad. I mean, it reminded me a little bit of both Kane and Welles, actually, in the sense that he died, you know, in his house. Clearly, there were some pills or something involved. We don't know what his last words were but you know, he didn't have his Xanadu anymore. That had been tak... | well i mean. his. death was quite sad. i mean it reminded me a little bit of both kane and welles actually in the sense that he died you know in his house clearly there were some pills or something. involved we don't know what, his last words were but you know he didn't have his xanadu, anymore that had. been taken awa... | Well I. mean his death was quite sad I. mean it reminded me a little bit of both Kane and Welles actually in the sense that he died you know in his house Clearly there were some pills or something involved We don't know what. his last words were but you know he didn't. have his Xanadu. anymore That. had been taken; awa... | well, i mean, his death was quite sad. i mean, it reminded me a little bit of both kane and welles, actually, in the sense that he died, you know, in his house. clearly, there were some pills or something involved. we don't know what his last words were but you know, he didn't have his xanadu anymore. that had been tak... |
Let's get Gretchen on the line, Gretchen calling from Boston. | let's get gretchen on the line gretchen calling from | Let's get Gretchen on the line Gretchen calling from | let's get gretchen on the line, gretchen calling from boston. |
He says those efforts by the empire, as he calls the U.S., are laughable. | he says those efforts by, the empire as he calls the u.s., are | He, says those efforts by the empire as he calls the U.S., are | he says those efforts by the empire, as he calls the u.s., are laughable. |
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But it was a sad end to an amazing beginning. And, you know, for the first, I don't know, 15 years of his career - which really we're talking about going back to someone that's, like, 10 years old to in his mid-20s, remarkable amount of music, remarkable amount of great music. | but it was a sad end to an amazing beginning and you know for the first i don't know 15 years of his career - which really we're. talking about going back, to someone. that's like 10 years old to in his mid-20s remarkable amount of music; remarkable amount of, great | But it was a, sad end to. an amazing beginning And. you know for the first I don't know 15 years of his career. - which really we're talking about going back. to someone that's like; 10 years old, to in his mid-20s remarkable amount of music remarkable amount, of great, | but it was a sad end to an amazing beginning. and, you know, for the first, i don't know, 15 years of his career - which really we're talking about going back to someone that's, like, 10 years old to in his mid-20s, remarkable amount of music, remarkable amount of great music. |
So that's why I thought of the Kane - you know, the ending was very sad, a little too much like the end of Kane, where Kane has lost all of his media empire, and he's lost a lot of his respect. | so that's why i thought of the kane - you know the ending was. very sad a. little too much. like the end of kane where kane, has lost all. of his media empire and he's lost a lot of his | So that's; why I thought of the Kane - you know the ending, was very sad a little too much like, the end of Kane where Kane has lost all of his media empire. and he's lost a lot of his | so that's why i thought of the kane - you know, the ending was very sad, a little too much like the end of kane, where kane has lost all of his media empire, and he's lost a lot of his respect. |
And many years removed from the magic that allowed him to build that empire. Bill Wyman, you drew a comparison that perhaps more readily leaps to mind, and that's to Elvis Presley. | and many years removed from the magic that allowed him to build that empire bill wyman you drew a comparison that perhaps more readily leaps to mind and that's to elvis | And many years removed from the magic that allowed him to build that empire Bill Wyman; you drew a comparison that perhaps more, readily leaps to mind and that's, to Elvis | and many years removed from the magic that allowed him to build that empire. bill wyman, you drew a comparison that perhaps more readily leaps to mind, and that's to elvis presley. |
Well, specifically, I was addressing the question of was he as big as Elvis Presley? Was he more important than Elvis Presley? And personally, I don't want to sound too much like a Grinch here, but I don't see how that case can credibly be made. Elvis, for all his faults, invented a form of singing, a form of music, an... | well specifically i was addressing the question of was he as big as elvis presley? was, he more. important than elvis, presley? and; personally i don't want to sound too much like a grinch here, but i don't see, how that case can credibly be made elvis for all, his faults invented a form of singing a form of music and ... | Well specifically I was addressing the question of was he as big as Elvis Presley? Was he more important than Elvis Presley? And personally I don't want to sound too much like a Grinch here but I don't see how that case can, credibly be made Elvis for all his faults invented a form of singing a form, of; music and most... | well, specifically, i was addressing the question of was he as big as elvis presley? was he more important than elvis presley? and personally, i don't want to sound too much like a grinch here, but i don't see how that case can credibly be made. elvis, for all his faults, invented a form of singing, a form of music, an... |
What form of music did Elvis Presley invent? He invented a form of music? | what form of music. did elvis presley invent? he invented a form of | What form of music. did Elvis Presley invent? He invented a form, of | what form of music did elvis presley invent? he invented a form of music? |
Well, (unintelligible) created rock and roll. | well (unintelligible) created rock and | Well (unintelligible) created rock; and | well, (unintelligible) created rock and roll. |
So did Chuck Berry and Little Richard. I mean, Elvis Presley didn't invent it by himself. | so did chuck, berry and little richard i mean elvis presley didn't invent it. by | So did Chuck Berry and Little Richard I mean Elvis Presley didn't. invent it by. | so did chuck berry and little richard. i mean, elvis presley didn't invent it by himself. |
Well, of course. No one's not - saying that. | well of course no one's not - saying | Well of course, No one's not - saying | well, of course. no one's not - saying that. |
That's what you just said. You just said he invented a form of music. | that's what you just said you just said he invented a form of | That's what you just said You just. said he invented a form of | that's what you just said. you just said he invented a form of music. |
Well, in the same way that Michael Jackson didn't do "Thriller" all by himself. He had a bunch of people around him who helped him do it. | well in the same, way that michael jackson didn't do "thriller" all by himself he had a bunch. of people around him. who helped, him do, | Well in the same way that Michael Jackson didn't do "Thriller" all by himself He had a bunch of people around him who helped him do | well, in the same way that michael jackson didn't do "thriller" all by himself. he had a bunch of people around him who helped him do it. |
Right. I mean, but the different… | right i mean but the | Right I mean but the; | right. i mean, but the different… |
And Elvis Presley (unintelligible) and stuff like that. | and elvis presley (unintelligible) and stuff like | And Elvis. Presley (unintelligible) and stuff like | and elvis presley (unintelligible) and stuff like that. |
Yeah, but you're saying someone invented something. | yeah but, you're saying someone invented | Yeah but you're saying someone. invented, | yeah, but you're saying someone invented something. |
(unintelligible) hold on one second. The other thing, most crucially, he invented an audience. And there wasn't an audience at the time for that form of music - which Presley invented. | (unintelligible) hold on one second the other thing most crucially he invented an audience and there wasn't an audience at the time for that form of music - which presley | (unintelligible) hold on one second The other thing most crucially he invented an audience And there wasn't an audience at the time for that form of music, - which Presley | (unintelligible) hold on one second. the other thing, most crucially, he invented an audience. and there wasn't an audience at the time for that form of music - which presley invented. |
Jackson, for all his extraordinary talents, took an audience that was there. And when you mentioned "Citizen Kane," it reminded me of something Liebling said about William Randolph Hearst, when it was said he'd lost $10 million on his newspapers, and Liebling said it doesn't take talent to lose $10 million. All you hav... | jackson for, all his, extraordinary talents took an audience that was there and when you mentioned "citizen kane" it, reminded; me of something liebling said about william randolph hearst when it was said. he'd lost $10 million on his newspapers and liebling said it doesn't take talent to lose. $10 million. all you, ha... | Jackson for all his extraordinary talents, took an audience that was there And when you mentioned "Citizen Kane" it; reminded me, of something Liebling. said about William Randolph Hearst when it was said he'd lost $10 million on his newspapers and Liebling said it doesn't take talent to lose $10 million All you have t... | jackson, for all his extraordinary talents, took an audience that was there. and when you mentioned "citizen kane," it reminded me of something liebling said about william randolph hearst, when it was said he'd lost $10 million on his newspapers, and liebling said it doesn't take talent to lose $10 million. all you hav... |
Well, I mean, the point I would make about Jackson - I don't want to get into Elvis. I'm not an Elvis fan, and I don't want to get into and Elvis-versus-Michael thing because I don't really think much of Elvis. So I'll make my point about Michael very simply, and that is with the music video and with his leadership an... | well i mean the point i would make about jackson - i don't want. to get into elvis i'm not an, elvis fan. and i don't want to get into; and elvis-versus-michael thing, because i don't really think much, of elvis. so. i'll make my point about; michael very. simply and that is with the music video and with his leadershi... | Well I mean the point I would make, about Jackson - I don't want to get into Elvis I'm not an Elvis fan and I don't want to get into and Elvis-versus-Michael thing because I don't really think, much of Elvis So I'll make my point about Michael very simply; and that is with, the music video and with his leadership and ... | well, i mean, the point i would make about jackson - i don't want to get into elvis. i'm not an elvis fan, and i don't want to get into and elvis-versus-michael thing because i don't really think much of elvis. so i'll make my point about michael very simply, and that is with the music video and with his leadership an... |
So I think he is - I think there's a great argument for the global nature - and a point that Mr. Anthony Neal made earlier, the diversity of his audience. Whatever Elvis was, he wasn't as - he didn't have a lot of fans among black people. | so i think he is, - i think there's, a, great argument for the global nature - and a point that mr anthony neal made earlier the. diversity of his audience whatever elvis was he wasn't as - he didn't have a lot of fans among black | So I think he is - I think there's a great, argument for the global nature - and a point that Mr Anthony Neal made earlier the diversity of his. audience Whatever Elvis was he wasn't as - he didn't have a. lot of fans among black | so i think he is - i think there's a great argument for the global nature - and a point that mr. anthony neal made earlier, the diversity of his audience. whatever elvis was, he wasn't as - he didn't have a lot of fans among black people. |
He did have a lot of international fans, though, certainly globally. | he did have a lot of international fans though certainly | He did have a lot of. international fans though certainly | he did have a lot of international fans, though, certainly globally. |
And the same thing with Michael. | and the same thing with | And the same thing with | and the same thing with michael. |
I'm not arguing that. | i'm not arguing | I'm not arguing | i'm not arguing that. |
Yeah, I'm just saying that the global dimension of Michael's success, and the multiracial dimension of that success in the States, particularly - I mean, the hardest thing for a black artist to achieve is white success - not black success, obviously. It's actually, in some ways, easier to get success in France and Euro... | yeah i'm just; saying that the global dimension of. michael's, success and the multiracial dimension. of that success in the states particularly - i mean the hardest thing for a black artist to, achieve is white success - not black success obviously it's actually in. some ways easier to get success in france and europe... | Yeah I'm just saying that, the global dimension of Michael's success, and the multiracial. dimension of that. success in, the States. particularly, - I mean, the hardest thing for a black artist to achieve is white success - not black success obviously It's actually in some ways easier to get. success in France and Eur... | yeah, i'm just saying that the global dimension of michael's success, and the multiracial dimension of that success in the states, particularly - i mean, the hardest thing for a black artist to achieve is white success - not black success, obviously. it's actually, in some ways, easier to get success in france and euro... |
But didn't he build on what Berry Gordy built originally and what, for example, Stevie Wonder did in the 1970s, which I think has been a little understated in… | but didn't, he build on what berry gordy built originally and what for example stevie, wonder did in the 1970s which i think has been, a little understated | But didn't, he build on what Berry Gordy built originally and what. for example Stevie Wonder did. in the 1970s which I, think has been a little understated | but didn't he build on what berry gordy built originally and what, for example, stevie wonder did in the 1970s, which i think has been a little understated in… |
But Bill… | but | But | but bill… |
I think - the difference is very significant here, is that Michael was a visual artist, where Stevie was a greater songwriter, obviously, and probably a greater musician than almost anybody we're going to mention here today. However, Michael's visual dimension, the merging of dance, music and that visual component chan... | i think - the difference is very significant here is that, michael was a visual artist where stevie was a greater, songwriter, obviously and probably a greater musician than almost anybody we're going to mention here today however michael's visual dimension the merging. of dance music and that visual component. changed... | I think - the difference is very significant here is that Michael was a visual artist where Stevie was a greater songwriter obviously and probably a greater musician than almost anybody we're going to mention here today However. Michael's visual dimension the merging of dance music and that visual component changed the... | i think - the difference is very significant here, is that michael was a visual artist, where stevie was a greater songwriter, obviously, and probably a greater musician than almost anybody we're going to mention here today. however, michael's visual dimension, the merging of dance, music and that visual component chan... |
To this day, kids receive music as much through the visual component as the audio, and Michael was a pioneer of that. He's the one who perfected the style. | to this day kids. receive, music as, much through the. visual component as the. audio and michael was a pioneer, of, that he's, the one who perfected the | To this day kids receive music as much. through the visual component, as the audio and Michael, was a pioneer of that; He's the one who perfected the | to this day, kids receive music as much through the visual component as the audio, and michael was a pioneer of that. he's the one who perfected the style. |
Mark Anthony Neal, I heard you trying to get in there. Go ahead, please. | mark anthony neal i heard you trying to get in there go ahead | Mark Anthony Neal I heard you trying to, get; in there Go ahead | mark anthony neal, i heard you trying to get in there. go ahead, please. |
And I think a critical point to this, you know, when Bill talked about what the landscape looked like when "Thriller" was done - you know, which Nelson has written brilliantly about in "The Death of Rhythm and Blues" - the reality is that whatever gains that Berry Gordy had made in the late 1960s in terms of broadening... | and i think a. critical point to this, you know. when bill talked about what the landscape looked like when "thriller" was done - you know which nelson has written brilliantly about in "the death of, rhythm and. blues" - the reality is, that whatever gains that berry gordy had made in the late 1960s in terms of broaden... | And I think a critical point, to this, you, know when Bill talked about what the landscape looked like when "Thriller" was, done - you know which. Nelson has written brilliantly. about in "The Death of Rhythm and Blues" - the reality is that; whatever gains that Berry Gordy had made in the late. 1960s in terms of broad... | and i think a critical point to this, you know, when bill talked about what the landscape looked like when "thriller" was done - you know, which nelson has written brilliantly about in "the death of rhythm and blues" - the reality is that whatever gains that berry gordy had made in the late 1960s in terms of broadening... |
You mentioned pushing the boundaries. Those boundaries have been pushed much farther. Michael Jackson was, at some points in his career, considered crude, the crotch-grabbing - not to put too fine a point on it. | you mentioned. pushing the, boundaries those boundaries have been pushed much farther, michael jackson was, at some points in his career considered, crude the crotch-grabbing. - not to put too fine a point on | You mentioned pushing the boundaries Those, boundaries have been pushed much farther Michael. Jackson was at some points in his career considered crude the crotch-grabbing - not to put too; fine a point on | you mentioned pushing the boundaries. those boundaries have been pushed much farther. michael jackson was, at some points in his career, considered crude, the crotch-grabbing - not to put too fine a point on it. |
You know, this is the era of disco sucks, right? You know, this is the era where AOR radio is not playing anything that looks like a black artist, of course, which MTV reproduces visually. And Michael Jackson was able to collapse that gap in a certain kind of way that creates a broader audience for this. And this is no... | you know this is the era of disco sucks right? you, know this is the era where aor radio is; not playing anything that looks like a black artist of course. which mtv reproduces visually and michael jackson was able to collapse that gap. in, a certain kind of way that creates, a broader audience for this and this; is no... | You know this is, the era of disco sucks right? You know this is the era where AOR, radio is not playing anything that, looks like a black artist of course which MTV reproduces visually And Michael Jackson, was. able to collapse that gap in a certain kind. of way that creates a broader audience for this And this is not... | you know, this is the era of disco sucks, right? you know, this is the era where aor radio is not playing anything that looks like a black artist, of course, which mtv reproduces visually. and michael jackson was able to collapse that gap in a certain kind of way that creates a broader audience for this. and this is no... |
And Bill Wyman, we're going to give you your shot. | and bill wyman we're going to. give, you your | And Bill Wyman we're going to give you your | and bill wyman, we're going to give you your shot. |
But again, that Michael Jackson was coming - as a mature performer -was coming at the end of the disco era. No one would deny that "Off the Wall" is the greatest dance pop record of all time. But he had that enormous momentum behind him, and he had the enormous commercial momentum of Stevie Wonder. | but again that michael jackson was coming - as a mature performer -was coming at, the end of the disco era no one. would deny that "off, the wall" is the greatest dance pop; record of all time but. he had that enormous momentum behind him and he had the enormous commercial momentum of stevie | But again that Michael Jackson was coming - as a mature performer. -was coming at the end, of, the disco era No. one would deny that. "Off the Wall" is the greatest dance pop record of all time, But he had, that enormous momentum behind him and he had the enormous. commercial momentum of Stevie. | but again, that michael jackson was coming - as a mature performer -was coming at the end of the disco era. no one would deny that "off the wall" is the greatest dance pop record of all time. but he had that enormous momentum behind him, and he had the enormous commercial momentum of stevie wonder. |
We're forgetting that Stevie Wonder was debuting albums at number one during that era, and that he was sweeping the Grammys year after year after year. So, it's not like he came out of nowhere, like Presley did. | we're forgetting that stevie, wonder was debuting albums at number one during that era and that he was sweeping the grammys year after year after year so it's not like he came out of nowhere like presley | We're forgetting that Stevie Wonder was debuting albums at number one, during that era and that he was sweeping, the Grammys year after year, after year So it's not like he came, out of nowhere like Presley | we're forgetting that stevie wonder was debuting albums at number one during that era, and that he was sweeping the grammys year after year after year. so, it's not like he came out of nowhere, like presley did. |
And I don't want to harp on Presley, but let's just, you know, let's just say he was a huge person who capitalized on that hugeness and became this transcendent star. And he's an amazing guy and no one will ever forget it. But I think this commercialism argument is a dead end because, remember, he was only big for a co... | and i, don't want to harp on, presley but let's just, you know let's just say he. was. a huge person who capitalized on that hugeness and became this transcendent star and he's an, amazing guy and no one will ever forget it but i think this commercialism argument is a dead end because remember he was only big for a cou... | And I don't. want to harp on Presley but let's just you know let's just. say he was a huge person who capitalized on that hugeness and became this. transcendent star And he's an amazing guy and no one will ever forget it But I think this commercialism argument is a dead end because remember he was only big for a couple... | and i don't want to harp on presley, but let's just, you know, let's just say he was a huge person who capitalized on that hugeness and became this transcendent star. and he's an amazing guy and no one will ever forget it. but i think this commercialism argument is a dead end because, remember, he was only big for a co... |
That's not true. That's not true. If you go back to 1960s… | that's not true that's, not true if you. go back to | That's not true That's not true. If you go back to | that's not true. that's not true. if you go back to 1960s… |
In the United States… | in the united | In the United | in the united states… |
If you go back 1970 to 1987, that's almost two decades. | if you go back 1970 to, 1987, that's almost two | If you go back 1970 to 1987, that's almost two | if you go back 1970 to 1987, that's almost two decades. |
Let's get a caller in on the conversation. | let's get a, caller in on the | Let's; get a caller in on the | let's get a caller in on the conversation. |
The guy had four number one records when he was 10 years old. | the guy had four number one records when he was 10 years | The guy had four number one records when he was 10 years | the guy had four number one records when he was 10 years old. |
Let's get Meredith on the line, Meredith, calling us from San Antonio. | let's get meredith on the line meredith calling us from san | Let's get Meredith on. the line, Meredith; calling us from San | let's get meredith on the line, meredith, calling us from san antonio. |
Hi, Neal. Thanks to be on the show - really, really big fan. And I was - I'm torn about this whole death of Michael Jackson thing in that I was a huge fan of Michael and his sister, namely. | hi neal thanks to be on. the show, - really really big fan and i was - i'm torn about this whole death of michael jackson thing in that. i was a huge fan of michael and his sister | Hi Neal Thanks to be on the show - really. really big fan And I, was - I'm torn about this whole death of Michael Jackson thing in that. I was a huge fan, of Michael and his sister | hi, neal. thanks to be on the show - really, really big fan. and i was - i'm torn about this whole death of michael jackson thing in that i was a huge fan of michael and his sister, namely. |
But the one thing that has me so torn is why does everybody have to make this like a black or white issue, which is what I'm hearing a lot of? It's always about, oh, he was black, he was ours. | but, the one thing that has me so torn. is why; does everybody have to make this like a black or white issue which is; what i'm hearing a lot of? it's always about oh he was black he was | But the one thing that has me so torn is why does everybody, have to make this like a black or white issue which is what I'm hearing a lot of? It's always about oh he. was black he was. | but the one thing that has me so torn is why does everybody have to make this like a black or white issue, which is what i'm hearing a lot of? it's always about, oh, he was black, he was ours. |
Over the years, I heard a lot of black people making fun that he wasn't black anymore even, that he was white. And I just want to know why can't it be just about the music and the man and how he was able, as one of your guests say, to transcend race and international lines, (unintelligible) bring the sense of music and... | over the years i heard a lot, of black people making fun. that he wasn't, black anymore even that he was white and i just want to know why can't it be just about the. music and the man and how he was able as one of your guests say to transcend race and international lines (unintelligible) bring the sense of. music and ... | Over the years I heard; a lot of black people making fun that he wasn't black anymore even that he was white And I just want to know why can't it be just about the music and the man and how he was. able as one; of. your guests say to transcend race and international lines (unintelligible) bring the sense of music and s... | over the years, i heard a lot of black people making fun that he wasn't black anymore even, that he was white. and i just want to know why can't it be just about the music and the man and how he was able, as one of your guests say, to transcend race and international lines, (unintelligible) bring the sense of music and... |
Well, Mark Anthony Neal, it's in part because of what you were saying earlier. He's a very complicated man and this is not an unblemished record, hardly. | well mark anthony neal it's in part because of what you were saying earlier he's a very complicated man and this is not an unblemished record | Well Mark Anthony Neal it's in part because of what you were saying earlier He's. a very, complicated man and this is not an unblemished record | well, mark anthony neal, it's in part because of what you were saying earlier. he's a very complicated man and this is not an unblemished record, hardly. |
No. And to be honest, I mean, when you talk about this moment, I mean, there are lots of folks - and I've heard lots of folks react to very different responses to Michael's death. | no and to be honest i mean when you talk about. this moment i mean there are lots, of folks - and. i've heard lots of folks react to very different responses to, michael's, | No And to be honest I mean when you, talk about this moment I mean there are lots of folks - and I've heard lots of, folks react, to very different responses to Michael's | no. and to be honest, i mean, when you talk about this moment, i mean, there are lots of folks - and i've heard lots of folks react to very different responses to michael's death. |
You know, at least among my circle, professionals and peers, you know, I could hear the distinction between black and white, folks reflecting on well, why we are even talking about him because this man is a pedophile. | you know at least among my circle professionals, and, peers you know i. could hear. the distinction between black and white folks reflecting on well why we, are even talking about him because this man is a | You know at least among my circle professionals, and peers you know I could hear the distinction between black and white. folks reflecting on well why we are even talking about him because, this man is a | you know, at least among my circle, professionals and peers, you know, i could hear the distinction between black and white, folks reflecting on well, why we are even talking about him because this man is a pedophile. |
And I think part of what the black community has read in this particular moment - and first of all, you know, what makes Michael's story so phenomenal is that story, this working-class black family, nine kids living in this household in working-class Gary, Indiana. There was no reason for them to ever expect the level ... | and i think part of what the black community has read in this particular moment - and first of all you know what makes michael's story so phenomenal is that story this working-class black family nine kids living in this household in working-class gary indiana there was no reason for them to ever expect the level of ach... | And I think part of what the black community has. read, in this particular moment - and first of all you know what makes Michael's story so phenomenal is, that story this working-class black family nine kids living in this household, in working-class Gary Indiana There was no reason for them to. ever expect the level o... | and i think part of what the black community has read in this particular moment - and first of all, you know, what makes michael's story so phenomenal is that story, this working-class black family, nine kids living in this household in working-class gary, indiana. there was no reason for them to ever expect the level ... |
You know, on the other side of that, when you talk about, you know, blackness and whiteness, I mean, again, Michael was very complex here. And I would argue that, you know, some of the criticism that occurred amongst African Americans in terms of Michael Jackson are also very complicated in that they reflect - here's s... | you know on. the other side of that when you talk about you know blackness and whiteness i mean again michael was very complex here and i would argue that you know some of the criticism that occurred amongst african americans in, terms of michael jackson are also very complicated in that they reflect - here's someone. ... | You; know on the other side of that when you talk about you know blackness and whiteness I mean again Michael. was very complex here. And I would; argue that you know some of the criticism that occurred amongst African Americans in terms of Michael Jackson are also very complicated in that they reflect. - here's someon... | you know, on the other side of that, when you talk about, you know, blackness and whiteness, i mean, again, michael was very complex here. and i would argue that, you know, some of the criticism that occurred amongst african americans in terms of michael jackson are also very complicated in that they reflect - here's s... |
And so, the Michael Jackson who wasn't always necessarily wanting to be visibly shown with African-American political figures, who was not always very outspoken in terms of African-American issues, though of course he wrote checks all the time to African-American foundations and organizations, etc., etc. I think this i... | and so the michael, jackson who wasn't always. necessarily wanting to be; visibly shown with african-american political figures who was not always very outspoken in, terms of african-american issues though of course, he wrote checks all the time to african-american foundations and organizations etc., etc, i think this ... | And so the Michael Jackson who wasn't always necessarily wanting to be visibly shown with African-American political figures who was not always very outspoken in terms of African-American issues though of course he wrote checks all the time to African-American foundations and organizations etc., etc I think this is a m... | and so, the michael jackson who wasn't always necessarily wanting to be visibly shown with african-american political figures, who was not always very outspoken in terms of african-american issues, though of course he wrote checks all the time to african-american foundations and organizations, etc., etc. i think this i... |
Meredith, thank you very much for the call. We're talking about Michael Jackson and his legacy and the cultural divide. Mark Anthony Neal, Nelson George and Bill Wyman are with us. | meredith thank you very much for the call we're talking about. michael jackson and his. legacy and the cultural. divide mark anthony neal nelson george and bill wyman are with, | Meredith thank you very much for the call We're talking about Michael Jackson and his legacy and the cultural divide Mark. Anthony Neal Nelson, George and Bill Wyman are with, | meredith, thank you very much for the call. we're talking about michael jackson and his legacy and the cultural divide. mark anthony neal, nelson george and bill wyman are with us. |
You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | you're listening to talk of the nation from npr | You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR | you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. |
What do you think Michael Jackson's legacy, his musical legacy is going to be? | what do you think, michael jackson's legacy, his musical legacy is going to | What do you think, Michael; Jackson's legacy his musical legacy. is going to | what do you think michael jackson's legacy, his musical legacy is going to be? |
Well, it's really interesting. One of the earlier people said something about how his music is all around today, and I honestly don't hear it. | well it's really interesting one of the earlier people said something. about how his, music is all around today and i honestly don't hear, | Well it's really interesting; One of the earlier people said something about how his music is all around. today and I honestly don't hear | well, it's really interesting. one of the earlier people said something about how his music is all around today, and i honestly don't hear it. |
But, no, I don't think anything - the content of Michael Jackson's music has ever really been thought to be taboo, though there's some times where, of course, he pushed the boundaries in terms of the visual image. | but no i don't; think anything - the content of michael jackson's music. has ever really been thought to be taboo though there's some times. where of course he pushed the boundaries in terms of the visual | But no I don't think anything - the content of Michael Jackson's music has ever really been thought. to be taboo though there's some times where of course he pushed the boundaries in terms of the visual | but, no, i don't think anything - the content of michael jackson's music has ever really been thought to be taboo, though there's some times where, of course, he pushed the boundaries in terms of the visual image. |
Hip hop is the foundation of most pop music today. Obviously, Jackson is a big influence on Justin Timberlake and Usher, and people like that. And of course, you know, that supreme, wonderful sound of the black pop he created is sort of a little bit with us. But I personally don't hear it, as a critic, that we're livin... | hip hop is the foundation of most pop, music today obviously jackson is a big influence on justin timberlake and usher and people like that and of course you know that. supreme wonderful sound of the black pop he created is sort of a little bit with us but i personally don't hear it as. a critic that we're living in mi... | Hip hop is the foundation of most pop music. today Obviously Jackson is, a big influence on Justin, Timberlake and Usher and people like that And of course you know that supreme wonderful sound of the black pop. he created is sort of a little bit with us But I. personally don't hear it as a critic that we're living, in... | hip hop is the foundation of most pop music today. obviously, jackson is a big influence on justin timberlake and usher, and people like that. and of course, you know, that supreme, wonderful sound of the black pop he created is sort of a little bit with us. but i personally don't hear it, as a critic, that we're livin... |
Nelson George? | nelson | Nelson | nelson george? |
(Soundbite of laughter) | (soundbite. of | (Soundbite. of | (soundbite of laughter) |
Listen, I didn't even want to go there. Let's just have this conversation. I think the real issue for me with Michal Jackson here is, are we as Americans complicated and sophisticated enough to acknowledge an artist in the totality of their being? | listen i didn't even want to go there, let's, just have this conversation i think the real; issue for me with michal jackson here is are we as americans complicated and sophisticated enough to acknowledge, an artist in the totality of their. | Listen I didn't even want to go there Let's. just have this conversation I. think the real issue for me with Michal Jackson here is are we as Americans complicated and sophisticated enough to acknowledge an artist in the totality of their | listen, i didn't even want to go there. let's just have this conversation. i think the real issue for me with michal jackson here is, are we as americans complicated and sophisticated enough to acknowledge an artist in the totality of their being? |
Are we willing to accept the fact that an artist is not a saint? That the greatest artists we've created are flawed human beings, and that part of the greatness of their music is their ability to transcend their own limitations to create art that speaks to all of us? And that's what the challenge of Michael's legacy is... | are we willing to accept the fact that an artist is not a saint? that the greatest artists we've created are, flawed human beings and, that part of the greatness of their music is, their ability to transcend their own limitations to create art that speaks to all of us? and that's what the challenge of, michael's legacy... | Are we willing. to accept the fact that an artist is not a saint? That the greatest, artists we've created are flawed human beings and that part of, the greatness of; their music is their ability to transcend their own limitations to create art that speaks to all of us? And that's what the challenge of Michael's legacy... | are we willing to accept the fact that an artist is not a saint? that the greatest artists we've created are flawed human beings, and that part of the greatness of their music is their ability to transcend their own limitations to create art that speaks to all of us? and that's what the challenge of michael's legacy is... |
And that's where I'm at with Michael right now. I am looking at Michael, I'm listening to the totality of his career. I am amazed at the variety of vocal styles. | and, that's where i'm at with michael right now i am looking. at michael i'm listening to the totality of his career i am. amazed at the variety of vocal. | And that's, where I'm at with, Michael right now I am looking at Michael I'm. listening to the totality of his career I am amazed at the; variety of vocal | and that's where i'm at with michael right now. i am looking at michael, i'm listening to the totality of his career. i am amazed at the variety of vocal styles. |
He may be one of the greatest studio singers - technicians we've ever produced in popular culture. His ability - and you can see it grow from the time he's 10 years old towards the end of his death - to create tapestries of sound with his voice, his discipline in a studio to create different layers of sound, different ... | he may be one of the greatest studio singers - technicians we've ever produced in popular culture his ability - and you can see it; grow from the time he's 10 years old towards the end of his death - to create tapestries of sound with his voice his discipline in a studio to create different layers of, sound different v... | He may, be one of the; greatest studio singers - technicians. we've, ever produced in popular culture His ability - and you can see it grow, from the time he's 10 years old towards the end of, his death - to create tapestries of sound with his voice his discipline in a studio to create different layers of sound differe... | he may be one of the greatest studio singers - technicians we've ever produced in popular culture. his ability - and you can see it grow from the time he's 10 years old towards the end of his death - to create tapestries of sound with his voice, his discipline in a studio to create different layers of sound, different ... |
Nelson George, thank you very much. He's the author of "The Michael Jackson Story" back in 1983, blogs at nelsongeorge.net. He joined us from our bureau in New York. Bill Wyman, the editor at hitsville.org, joined us from his home in Phoenix, Arizona. We thank them for their time today. Mark Anthony Neal is going to st... | nelson george thank you very much he's the author of "the michael jackson story" back in 1983, blogs at nelsongeorge.net he joined us from our bureau in new york bill wyman the editor at hitsville.org joined us from his home in phoenix arizona we thank them for their time today mark anthony neal, is, going to, stay wit... | Nelson George; thank you very much He's the author of "The Michael Jackson Story" back. in 1983, blogs at nelsongeorge.net He joined us from our bureau in New York Bill Wyman the editor at hitsville.org joined us from his home in Phoenix Arizona We thank them for their time today Mark Anthony Neal is going to stay with... | nelson george, thank you very much. he's the author of "the michael jackson story" back in 1983, blogs at nelsongeorge.net. he joined us from our bureau in new york. bill wyman, the editor at hitsville.org, joined us from his home in phoenix, arizona. we thank them for their time today. mark anthony neal is going to st... |
(Soundbite of song, "Will You Be There") | (soundbite of song "will; you, be | (Soundbite of song "Will You Be | (soundbite of song, "will you be there") |
(Singing) Hold me like the river of Jordan, and I will then say to thee you are my friend. Carry me like you are my brother. Love me like a mother. Will you be there? | (singing) hold me; like the river of jordan and i will then say; to thee you are my friend. carry me like you, are my brother love me like a mother will you; be | (Singing) Hold me like the, river, of Jordan and I, will then say to thee you are my friend Carry me like you. are my brother, Love me like a mother Will you, be | (singing) hold me like the river of jordan, and i will then say to thee you are my friend. carry me like you are my brother. love me like a mother. will you be there? |
This is TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. I'm Neal Conan in Washington. The Michael Jackson memorial service is just wrapping up. In Los Angeles, his family is gathered on stage. His brother Marlon was just speaking. His brothers standing in dark, black suits, yellow ties, all wearing one white glove and a rose pinned ... | this is talk of the nation. from npr news i'm neal conan in; washington the michael jackson memorial service is just wrapping up in los angeles his family is gathered on stage his; brother marlon was just speaking his, brothers standing in dark, black suits. yellow ties all wearing one white glove. and a rose pinned pr... | This is TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News, I'm Neal, Conan in Washington The Michael Jackson memorial service is just wrapping up. In Los Angeles his family is gathered, on stage His brother Marlon was just speaking, His; brothers standing in dark black suits yellow ties all wearing one white glove and a rose pinned pro... | this is talk of the nation from npr news. i'm neal conan in washington. the michael jackson memorial service is just wrapping up. in los angeles, his family is gathered on stage. his brother marlon was just speaking. his brothers standing in dark, black suits, yellow ties, all wearing one white glove and a rose pinned ... |
I just wanted to say ever since I was born, Daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. And I just wanted to say I love him so much. | i just wanted to say. ever since i was born daddy has; been the best father you could ever, imagine and i just wanted to say i love him so. | I. just wanted to say ever since I was born Daddy has been the, best father you could ever imagine And I just wanted to say I love him so. | i just wanted to say ever since i was born, daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. and i just wanted to say i love him so much. |
This is Michael's daughter, Paris. | this, is michael's daughter | This is Michael's daughter | this is michael's daughter, paris. |
(Soundbite of applause) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of. | (soundbite of applause) |
We want to thank you all for loving my brother and supporting our family. Thank you and good night. | we, want to thank you all for loving my brother and supporting our family. thank you, and good | We want to thank you all for loving my brother and. supporting our family. Thank you. and good | we want to thank you all for loving my brother and supporting our family. thank you and good night. |
(Soundbite of applause) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of applause) |
And that was Marlon Jackson again, speaking about his brother Michael, who died 12 days ago and was remembered today in a funeral service, a private funeral service earlier in the day, then his casket was driven in a cortege down to the Staples Center in downtown Los Angeles, where more than 18,000 people crowded in to... | and that was marlon jackson again. speaking about his brother michael who died 12 days ago and was remembered today in a, funeral service a. private funeral service, earlier in. the day then his. casket was driven in a cortege down, to the staples center. in downtown. los angeles where more than 18,000 people. crowded;... | And that was Marlon Jackson again speaking about his brother Michael who died 12 days ago and was remembered today in a funeral service a private funeral. service earlier in the day then his casket was driven in a cortege down to the Staples Center in; downtown Los Angeles where. more than 18,000 people crowded in to h... | and that was marlon jackson again, speaking about his brother michael, who died 12 days ago and was remembered today in a funeral service, a private funeral service earlier in the day, then his casket was driven in a cortege down to the staples center in downtown los angeles, where more than 18,000 people crowded in to... |
Michael Jackson, as we've been talking about, is a complicated human being, a person remembered differently by different elements of American society, celebrated across the country today as thousands of people crowded into theaters in more than 30 states across the country to watch this memorial service. It was carried... | michael jackson as we've been talking about is a complicated human. being a person remembered differently by different elements of american society. celebrated across the. country today as thousands, of people. crowded into theaters in more than, 30 states across the country, to watch this memorial service it was carri... | Michael Jackson as we've been, talking about is a complicated human being a person remembered differently, by different elements of American society celebrated across the. country today as thousands of people crowded into theaters in more than, 30 states across the country to watch this memorial service It was carried ... | michael jackson, as we've been talking about, is a complicated human being, a person remembered differently by different elements of american society, celebrated across the country today as thousands of people crowded into theaters in more than 30 states across the country to watch this memorial service. it was carried... |
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