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Chris Hunter was there. In fact he was the target of some of those IED attacks. Chris was a bomb disposal expert for the British Army. His job was to dismantle those roadside bombs before they exploded, and without getting shot by a sniper in the process. He writes about his experiences in a new book called "Eight Live...	chris hunter was there in fact he was the target of some of those ied attacks chris was a bomb disposal expert for the british army his job was to dismantle those. roadside bombs before they exploded and, without getting shot by, a sniper. in the process he writes about. his experiences in a new book called "eight live...	Chris Hunter was there In fact he was the target of some of those IED attacks Chris was a bomb disposal expert for the British. Army His job was to dismantle those roadside. bombs; before. they exploded. and without; getting shot, by a sniper. in, the process He writes about his experiences in a new book called "Eight ...	chris hunter was there. in fact he was the target of some of those ied attacks. chris was a bomb disposal expert for the british army. his job was to dismantle those roadside bombs before they exploded, and without getting shot by a sniper in the process. he writes about his experiences in a new book called "eight live...
How are you Madeleine?	how are you	How are you	how are you madeleine?
I'm fine thank you. You had a lot of experience doing this bomb disposal before you even went to Iraq. You were in Colombia, you were in Northern Ireland, but I imagine the scale in Iraq would be a hundred times what you saw in Colombia or Northern Ireland. What was a typical day like in Basra?	i'm fine thank you you had a lot of. experience doing this bomb disposal before you even. went to iraq you were in colombia you were, in northern ireland but i imagine the scale in iraq would be a hundred times what you saw in colombia or northern ireland, what was a typical, day like in	I'm fine thank you You had a lot of experience; doing this. bomb disposal, before you even went to Iraq You were in Colombia you were in. Northern Ireland but I imagine the. scale in Iraq would be a hundred times what you saw in Colombia or Northern Ireland What was a typical, day like in	i'm fine thank you. you had a lot of experience doing this bomb disposal before you even went to iraq. you were in colombia, you were in northern ireland, but i imagine the scale in iraq would be a hundred times what you saw in colombia or northern ireland. what was a typical day like in basra?
We'd sit there in the detachment room, the phone would suddenly ring. A tasking message would come through telling us there was an IED, where it was going to be, a rough description of what the device was like, although that was never ever accurate. So you might as well just make it up.	we'd sit there in the detachment room the phone would suddenly ring a tasking message would come through telling us there was an ied where it was going to be a rough description of what the device was like although that, was never ever accurate so you. might as well just. make it	We'd sit there in the detachment room the phone would suddenly ring A, tasking. message would, come through telling. us there was an IED where it was, going to be; a rough description of what the device was like although that was never ever accurate So you might as well, just make it	we'd sit there in the detachment room, the phone would suddenly ring. a tasking message would come through telling us there was an ied, where it was going to be, a rough description of what the device was like, although that was never ever accurate. so you might as well just make it up.
And you were there in the summer of 2004 right?	and you were there in the summer of	And you were there in the summer of	and you were there in the summer of 2004 right?
That's right. . .	that's right	That's; right	that's right. . .
And so I imagine it was extremely hot temperatures, well above 100.	and so i imagine it was. extremely hot temperatures well above	And so I imagine it was extremely hot; temperatures well above	and so i imagine it was extremely hot temperatures, well above 100.
It got to a stage actually it was so hot that we couldn't wear the bomb suit, or I couldn't wear the bomb suit. It was only myself, really, as the operator in the team. You're carrying net 85 pounds of bomb suit with Kevlar armor, and all sorts of different armor, and fire retardant material, and then you're probably c...	it got to a stage actually it was so hot that we couldn't wear the bomb suit or i couldn't wear the bomb suit it was only myself. really, as, the operator in the team you're carrying net 85 pounds of bomb suit, with kevlar. armor and all sorts of different armor and fire retardant material and then you're probably carr...	It got to a stage actually it was so hot that we couldn't wear the bomb suit or I couldn't wear the bomb suit It was only myself really as the operator in, the team You're carrying net 85 pounds of bomb, suit with Kevlar armor and all sorts of, different armor and fire retardant material and then you're probably carryi...	it got to a stage actually it was so hot that we couldn't wear the bomb suit, or i couldn't wear the bomb suit. it was only myself, really, as the operator in the team. you're carrying net 85 pounds of bomb suit with kevlar armor, and all sorts of different armor, and fire retardant material, and then you're probably c...
Yeah, but it made it more dangerous.	yeah but it made it more	Yeah but it made it more	yeah, but it made it more dangerous.
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That's right, yeah.	that's right	That's right	that's right, yeah.
So describe what its like. You get out of the vehicle, you're not wearing your body armor because it's too hot. And you're walking along this dusty road by yourself. . .	so. describe what its like you get out of the. vehicle. you're not wearing your body armor because it's too, hot and you're walking; along this dusty road; by yourself	So describe what its, like You get out of; the vehicle, you're. not wearing. your body armor because it's too hot And you're walking along this dusty road by. yourself	so describe what its like. you get out of the vehicle, you're not wearing your body armor because it's too hot. and you're walking along this dusty road by yourself. . .
That's it, I mean you literally, you arrive there, and the first thing that happens is the team goes straight into their procedures, which is securing the area, checking for secondary devices. And as soon as I had established what I thought was going to be down there, I'd send a robot down ideally, but much of the time...	that's it i, mean you literally you arrive. there and the first thing that happens is the team goes straight into, their procedures which is securing the area checking for secondary devices, and as soon. as i had established what i thought was going. to be down there i'd send a robot down ideally but much of the time, ...	That's it I mean you literally. you arrive there and the first thing that happens is the team goes straight into their procedures which is securing the area checking for secondary devices And as soon as I; had established what I thought was going to be down there I'd, send a robot down ideally but much of the time it w...	that's it, i mean you literally, you arrive there, and the first thing that happens is the team goes straight into their procedures, which is securing the area, checking for secondary devices. and as soon as i had established what i thought was going to be down there, i'd send a robot down ideally, but much of the time...
You found out that you personally were being targeted by leaders of one of the militias that they knew who you were. They knew what you were doing, what you're position was, that you were dismantling their IEDs.	you found out that you personally were being. targeted by leaders of one of the militias that they knew who you were they knew what, you were doing what you're position was that you were dismantling, their	You found out that you personally were being targeted by leaders of one of the militias that they knew who you were. They knew what you were doing what you're position was that you were dismantling their	you found out that you personally were being targeted by leaders of one of the militias that they knew who you were. they knew what you were doing, what you're position was, that you were dismantling their ieds.
Yeah.			yeah.
Who wanted to kill you, and how did they find out about you?	who. wanted to kill you and. how did they. find. out about	Who wanted, to kill you and how did they. find out about	who wanted to kill you, and how did they find out about you?
My particular team, we became very, very adept at, not just neutralizing the devices themselves, but we were tasked to other incidents, too. I mean in the first two months we were tasked 45 incidents, and some of those incidents were explosions. But when we got there, you know, we wouldn't just say, yeah there's a smok...	my particular team we became very very; adept at not just neutralizing the devices themselves but we were tasked to other incidents too i mean in the first two months we were tasked 45 incidents and some of those incidents were explosions but. when we, got there. you know we wouldn't just say yeah. there's a. smoking h...	My particular team we became very very, adept at not just neutralizing the devices themselves but we were tasked to other, incidents too I mean in the first two. months we were tasked 45 incidents and some of, those incidents were explosions But when we got there you know we; wouldn't just say yeah. there's a smoking h...	my particular team, we became very, very adept at, not just neutralizing the devices themselves, but we were tasked to other incidents, too. i mean in the first two months we were tasked 45 incidents, and some of those incidents were explosions. but when we got there, you know, we wouldn't just say, yeah there's a smok...
They want that to happen because they know they cannot campaign on domestic policy.	they want that, to happen because they know they cannot campaign on domestic	They want that to happen because they know they cannot campaign on domestic	they want that to happen because they know they cannot campaign on domestic policy.
And I went around, I interviewed everybody. I got unpublished art. It was going to be the first big and important piece on what was going on back then. And I sent it in to my editor, and I heard absolutely nothing, which was very, very strange.	and i went around i interviewed everybody i got unpublished. art it was going to be the; first big and, important. piece on what was going on back then and i sent it in to my editor and i heard. absolutely nothing which was, very very	And I went around I interviewed everybody, I got unpublished art It. was going to be, the first, big and important piece on what was, going on back then And I, sent; it in to my editor and I heard absolutely nothing which was very very	and i went around, i interviewed everybody. i got unpublished art. it was going to be the first big and important piece on what was going on back then. and i sent it in to my editor, and i heard absolutely nothing, which was very, very strange.
And after a few days, I phoned him and I said, did you get it all? And he said, oh, yes. I said, well, what did you think? And he said, well, honestly, Neil, we have a problem with it. We think it lacks balance. And I said, well, what kind of balance does it lack? And he said, well, these comic books, you seem to think...	and after a few days i phoned him, and i said did you. get it all? and he said oh yes i said; well what. did you think? and he said; well honestly neil we have a problem with it we think it lacks balance and, i said. well, what kind. of balance does it. lack? and, he said well, these comic books you seem to think they'...	And after a, few days I phoned him and I said did you get it all? And he said oh yes I said, well what did you think? And he said well honestly Neil, we have a problem with it We think it lacks balance. And I said well, what kind of balance does it lack? And he said well. these comic. books you seem to think they're a ...	and after a few days, i phoned him and i said, did you get it all? and he said, oh, yes. i said, well, what did you think? and he said, well, honestly, neil, we have a problem with it. we think it lacks balance. and i said, well, what kind of balance does it lack? and he said, well, these comic books, you seem to think...
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And I realized that whatever balance he wanted I was going to be unable to provide, because I do. I think comics are - I thought comics then and I still think comics now are a wonderful, absolutely unique medium.	and i realized, that whatever balance he wanted i was going to be unable to provide because i do i think comics are - i thought comics then and i still think comics now. are a wonderful absolutely. unique	And I realized that whatever balance he wanted I was, going to be unable to provide because; I do I think comics are - I thought comics then and I still think comics now are a wonderful absolutely unique	and i realized that whatever balance he wanted i was going to be unable to provide, because i do. i think comics are - i thought comics then and i still think comics now are a wonderful, absolutely unique medium.
It's a way of telling stories, a way of conveying information that is not superior or inferior to films, to novels, to radio plays, to poetry. It's comics, and it's its own glorious medium, and it's a combination of words and of pictures. And there's no limit to how good the words can be, no limit to how good the pictu...	it's a, way, of telling stories a way of conveying information that is not superior or inferior to films to novels to radio plays to poetry it's comics and it's its own glorious, medium and it's a combination of words and of pictures and there's no limit to how good the words can, be no limit to how good the, pictures ...	It's a way of telling stories a way; of conveying information that is not superior or inferior to, films to novels to radio plays to poetry It's comics, and it's its own glorious medium and it's a combination of words and of pictures And there's no limit to how good the words can be no limit; to how good the pictures c...	it's a way of telling stories, a way of conveying information that is not superior or inferior to films, to novels, to radio plays, to poetry. it's comics, and it's its own glorious medium, and it's a combination of words and of pictures. and there's no limit to how good the words can be, no limit to how good the pictu...
One thing that has changed enormously, as well, 40, 50 years ago, the industry was completely dominated by two companies, and if you didn't work for them, you didn't make comics. Then a group of underground comics started to come out, and you say that this has become one of the ultimate democratic art forms.	one thing that has changed. enormously as well 40, 50 years. ago, the industry was completely dominated by two companies and if you didn't work for them you didn't make comics then a group, of underground comics, started to come out and you say that this. has become one of the ultimate democratic art	One, thing that has changed enormously as well 40, 50 years ago the industry was completely dominated by two companies and if you didn't work for them you didn't make comics Then a group of. underground comics started to; come out and you say that this has become one of the ultimate democratic art	one thing that has changed enormously, as well, 40, 50 years ago, the industry was completely dominated by two companies, and if you didn't work for them, you didn't make comics. then a group of underground comics started to come out, and you say that this has become one of the ultimate democratic art forms.
Oh, I think comics - the glory of comics has always been democracy. The history of comics is such that it tended to be drawn by underdogs. Comics tended to be created by people who weren't getting work elsewhere.	oh i think. comics - the glory of comics has always been democracy. the history of comics is such that it tended. to be drawn by underdogs comics tended to be created by people who weren't, getting work	Oh I think comics - the glory of comics has always been democracy The history, of comics is such that it tended, to be drawn, by underdogs Comics tended. to be created; by people who weren't getting work	oh, i think comics - the glory of comics has always been democracy. the history of comics is such that it tended to be drawn by underdogs. comics tended to be created by people who weren't getting work elsewhere.
And then in the '60s, you had the underground comics, where you had a generation who'd grown up on EC Comics, on Mad Magazine, things like that, and who just wanted to do it and wanted to make it. And they wanted to make comics in which no holds were barred, and that's where people like R. Crumb came from, Gilbert Shel...	and then in, the '60s you had the underground. comics where you, had a generation who'd grown up on ec, comics on mad, magazine things like. that. and who just. wanted to do it and wanted to make. it and they wanted to make comics in which no holds were barred and that's where. people like r crumb came from gilbert she...	And then in the '60s you had the underground comics where you had a generation who'd, grown up on. EC Comics on Mad Magazine things like that and who just wanted to; do it and wanted to make it And they wanted to make comics in which no holds were barred and that's where people like R Crumb came from Gilbert Shelton so...	and then in the '60s, you had the underground comics, where you had a generation who'd grown up on ec comics, on mad magazine, things like that, and who just wanted to do it and wanted to make it. and they wanted to make comics in which no holds were barred, and that's where people like r. crumb came from, gilbert shel...
I loved the fact that in "Best American Comics," I was able to have not just an R. Crumb comic, but I felt actually an extract from probably the most important comic of the year, R. Crumb's "Book of Genesis" in there, which is such a glorious fusion of underground sensibility - and, you know, Crumb could arguably be sa...	i loved the fact that in. "best american comics" i was able to have; not just an r crumb comic but i felt, actually an extract from. probably the, most important comic of the year r crumb's, "book of genesis" in there, which is such a glorious fusion of underground sensibility - and you know crumb could arguably be sai...	I loved the fact, that in "Best American Comics" I was able to have not just an R Crumb comic but I felt actually an extract. from probably the most important. comic of the year R Crumb's "Book of Genesis" in there which is such, a glorious fusion of underground sensibility - and you know, Crumb could arguably. be, sai...	i loved the fact that in "best american comics," i was able to have not just an r. crumb comic, but i felt actually an extract from probably the most important comic of the year, r. crumb's "book of genesis" in there, which is such a glorious fusion of underground sensibility - and, you know, crumb could arguably be sa...
We had Robert Crumb on this program to talk about the "Book of Genesis" when it came out in hardcover. There's an excerpt that ran in the New Yorker magazine. And if you'd - any listeners would like to go back and take a listen to that program, it's in our archives. Just go to npr.org. Click on TALK OF THE NATION.	we had robert crumb on this program to talk about the, "book of genesis" when it came out in hardcover there's an, excerpt that ran in the new yorker magazine and if you'd - any; listeners would, like to go back. and take a listen to that program it's in our archives just go to, npr.org click on talk of the,	We had Robert Crumb on this program to talk about the "Book of Genesis" when it came, out in hardcover There's an excerpt that ran in the New, Yorker magazine And if, you'd - any listeners would like to go, back and take a listen to that program it's in our archives Just go to npr.org Click on TALK OF THE	we had robert crumb on this program to talk about the "book of genesis" when it came out in hardcover. there's an excerpt that ran in the new yorker magazine. and if you'd - any listeners would like to go back and take a listen to that program, it's in our archives. just go to npr.org. click on talk of the nation.
Our guest is Neil Gaiman, editor most recently of "The Best American Comics 2010," and he joins us from Minnesota Public Radio in St. Paul. 800-989-8255. Email: talk@npr.org.	our guest is neil gaiman editor most, recently of "the best american comics 2010," and he joins us from minnesota public radio in st paul	Our guest; is Neil Gaiman editor most recently of. "The Best American Comics 2010," and he joins us from Minnesota Public Radio in St Paul	our guest is neil gaiman, editor most recently of "the best american comics 2010," and he joins us from minnesota public radio in st. paul. 800-989-8255. email: talk@npr.org.
Byron(ph) is on the line from St. Louis.	byron(ph) is on the line from st	Byron(ph) is on the line. from St	byron(ph) is on the line from st. louis.
Hey, thanks for taking my call. I'm a lover of comics, too, and I'm a lover of all sorts of graphic novels and superhero comics and everything. And I particularly love the "Best American Comics of the Year" anthologies.	hey thanks for taking; my call i'm a lover of comics too and i'm a; lover of all sorts of graphic novels and superhero comics and everything, and i particularly. love, the "best american comics of the	Hey thanks for taking my; call I'm a lover of comics too, and I'm a. lover of all sorts of graphic novels and superhero comics and everything And I particularly love the "Best American Comics of the	hey, thanks for taking my call. i'm a lover of comics, too, and i'm a lover of all sorts of graphic novels and superhero comics and everything. and i particularly love the "best american comics of the year" anthologies.
They expose you to so many different things. One of the ones I loved was - I think it was the first one, guest-edited by Harvey Pekar. It seemed like so many of the comics in that one were really strong examples of writing. And I love a good - I love the art, but I need that good narrative, too.	they, expose you to so many different things one of the ones i loved. was - i think it was the first one guest-edited by harvey pekar it seemed like so many of the comics in that one were really strong examples of writing and i love a good. - i love the art but. i need that good narrative	They expose you to so many different, things One of the ones I loved was - I think it was the first one guest-edited by Harvey Pekar It seemed like so many of the comics in that one were really strong examples of writing. And. I love, a good - I, love the art but I need. that good narrative	they expose you to so many different things. one of the ones i loved was - i think it was the first one, guest-edited by harvey pekar. it seemed like so many of the comics in that one were really strong examples of writing. and i love a good - i love the art, but i need that good narrative, too.
Neil Gaiman, it was interesting, in your introduction to this most recent edition, you said one of the best comics you'd ever read was, in fact, Lynda Barry's introduction to another edition of the - one of the ones that she edited.	neil gaiman it was interesting in your introduction to this most, recent edition you said one, of the best comics you'd ever, read was. in fact lynda. barry's introduction. to, another edition of the - one of the ones, that she	Neil Gaiman it was interesting in your introduction to this most recent edition you said one of the best, comics you'd ever read was, in fact, Lynda Barry's. introduction to another edition of the - one of the ones that she	neil gaiman, it was interesting, in your introduction to this most recent edition, you said one of the best comics you'd ever read was, in fact, lynda barry's introduction to another edition of the - one of the ones that she edited.
It really was. I think Lynda Barry is right now doing some absolutely marvelous work with words and pictures and storytelling and just imploring people to create, and talking about what she's doing.	it really was i. think lynda barry is right now, doing some absolutely marvelous work with words and pictures and storytelling and just imploring people to create and talking about what she's,	It really was I; think Lynda Barry is right, now doing some absolutely marvelous work with words and, pictures and storytelling and just imploring people to create and talking about what. she's	it really was. i think lynda barry is right now doing some absolutely marvelous work with words and pictures and storytelling and just imploring people to create, and talking about what she's doing.
But I think Byron's completely right. It's - the glorious thing of "Best American Comics" is that it's a sampler. And, of course, the drawback of "Best American Comics" is that it's a sampler. And one of the things that's changed over the last 20, 30 years is more and more comics now are being done at length. More and ...	but i, think byron's completely right it's - the, glorious; thing of "best american comics" is that it's a sampler and of. course the drawback of "best american comics" is that it's a sampler and one of the things that's changed over the last 20, 30 years; is more and more comics now are being done at length; more and ...	But I think Byron's completely right It's - the glorious thing of "Best American Comics" is that it's a sampler And of course the drawback of "Best American Comics" is that it's a sampler, And one of the things that's changed over the last 20, 30 years, is more and more comics now are being done at length More and more...	but i think byron's completely right. it's - the glorious thing of "best american comics" is that it's a sampler. and, of course, the drawback of "best american comics" is that it's a sampler. and one of the things that's changed over the last 20, 30 years is more and more comics now are being done at length. more and ...
How do you select a scene, a sequence, a bit out of a longer work? It's like having a book called "Best American Novels" and going in and grabbing a chapter you like or several pages you like.	how. do you select a scene, a, sequence a bit, out of a longer work? it's like having a, book called "best american novels" and going in and grabbing a chapter you like or several, pages you	How do you select, a scene, a sequence a bit out. of a longer work? It's like having a book called "Best American Novels" and going in and grabbing a, chapter you like or several pages you	how do you select a scene, a sequence, a bit out of a longer work? it's like having a book called "best american novels" and going in and grabbing a chapter you like or several pages you like.
Well, illustrate that for us by talking about the decisions that went into the excerpt from a book called "The Alcoholic," which is a -one of those long, difficult books. And it's not your - whatever - if you think there's an idea of a typical comic, this is not it. And you had to pick an excerpt.	well illustrate that for us by, talking about the, decisions that went, into the excerpt from a book called "the alcoholic" which is a -one of those long difficult books and. it's not your, - whatever - if you think there's an idea of a typical comic this. is not it and you had to pick an	Well illustrate that for us by talking about. the decisions that went into the excerpt from a book called "The Alcoholic" which is a, -one, of those long difficult books And it's not your - whatever - if you think there's an idea of a. typical comic this, is not it And you had to pick an	well, illustrate that for us by talking about the decisions that went into the excerpt from a book called "the alcoholic," which is a -one of those long, difficult books. and it's not your - whatever - if you think there's an idea of a typical comic, this is not it. and you had to pick an excerpt.
Well, "The Alcoholic" is fascinating. I mean, it's published by Vertigo, which is actually one of the arms of DC Comics. And it's written by Jonathan Ames, a well-known novelist and writer and occasional prizefighter, and drawn by Dean Haspiel very beautifully. And the section that I wound up choosing is from fairly ea...	well "the alcoholic" is; fascinating i mean, it's published by vertigo which is; actually one of the arms of dc comics and it's written by jonathan ames a well-known novelist and writer and occasional prizefighter and drawn by dean haspiel very beautifully and the section that i, wound up choosing is from fairly early ...	Well "The Alcoholic" is fascinating, I mean it's published by Vertigo which is actually; one of. the arms of. DC Comics. And it's written by Jonathan Ames, a well-known novelist and writer and occasional prizefighter and, drawn by Dean Haspiel very beautifully And the section that I wound up, choosing is from fairly ea...	well, "the alcoholic" is fascinating. i mean, it's published by vertigo, which is actually one of the arms of dc comics. and it's written by jonathan ames, a well-known novelist and writer and occasional prizefighter, and drawn by dean haspiel very beautifully. and the section that i wound up choosing is from fairly ea...
And again, it was that thing of trying to find a flavor of this thing, which is this wonderful, mad, slight... semi-autobiographical, but you're never quite sure how much the title character, who is called Jonathan Ames and is drawn to look like Jonathan Ames, actually is Jonathan Ames.	and; again it was. that thing of. trying to find a flavor of this thing. which is this. wonderful mad slight... semi-autobiographical but you're never, quite sure, how, much the title character who is called jonathan ames and is drawn to look like jonathan ames actually is jonathan	And again it was that thing of trying to find a flavor of this thing which is this wonderful mad slight... semi-autobiographical but you're never quite sure how much the title character who is called. Jonathan Ames and is, drawn to look, like Jonathan Ames actually is Jonathan.	and again, it was that thing of trying to find a flavor of this thing, which is this wonderful, mad, slight... semi-autobiographical, but you're never quite sure how much the title character, who is called jonathan ames and is drawn to look like jonathan ames, actually is jonathan ames.
But it's - again, it's a great big long graphic novel, plays around with themes of obsession, of alcoholism, of all kinds of addiction, and also is a portrait of one life and of New York after the Twin Towers fell.	but it's - again it's a great big long graphic. novel plays around with themes of obsession of alcoholism of. all. kinds of. addiction, and also; is a portrait of. one life and of new york after. the twin towers	But it's; - again it's a great big long graphic novel plays around with themes of obsession of alcoholism of all kinds of addiction and also is, a; portrait of one life and of, New York after the Twin Towers	but it's - again, it's a great big long graphic novel, plays around with themes of obsession, of alcoholism, of all kinds of addiction, and also is a portrait of one life and of new york after the twin towers fell.