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Leon, thanks very much for the call. This an email from Sarah: My husband introduced me to comics when we first began dating. I've been hooked ever since. Now we bring our two toddlers with us whenever we go to the comic book store and are raising a new generation of comic lovers. How great to get lost in another world... | leon thanks very much for the call this an email from sarah: my husband introduced me to comics when we first began dating i've been hooked ever since, now we bring, our two, toddlers with us whenever we go to the; comic. book store. and are raising a new generation of comic lovers how great to get lost in. another wor... | Leon thanks; very much for the call This an email from Sarah: My husband introduced me to. comics when we first began dating I've been hooked ever, since Now we bring our two toddlers with us whenever we go, to the comic book store and; are raising a new generation of comic lovers, How great to get lost in another worl... | leon, thanks very much for the call. this an email from sarah: my husband introduced me to comics when we first began dating. i've been hooked ever since. now we bring our two toddlers with us whenever we go to the comic book store and are raising a new generation of comic lovers. how great to get lost in another world... |
We're talking with Neil Gaiman. He's the editor of a new anthology, "The Best American Comics 2010." And you're listening to TALK OF THE NATION, which is coming to you from NPR News. | we're talking with neil gaiman he's the editor of a new anthology "the best american comics 2010." and you're listening, to talk of. the nation which is coming to you from npr | We're talking with Neil Gaiman He's the editor of. a new anthology "The Best American Comics 2010." And you're listening to TALK OF THE NATION which is coming, to you from NPR | we're talking with neil gaiman. he's the editor of a new anthology, "the best american comics 2010." and you're listening to talk of the nation, which is coming to you from npr news. |
Let's get Julie on the line, Julie calling from Grand Rapids. | let's get, julie on the line julie calling from grand | Let's get Julie on the line Julie calling from Grand | let's get julie on the line, julie calling from grand rapids. |
Hi. I - okay. (unintelligible). Yeah, I just wanted to say that, you know, I never got into comics as a kid, like they were saying, it used to just be superheroes and stuff. I didn't like those things. And then I became a stay-at-home mom and got into an artist named Heather Cushman-Dowdee. | hi i - okay (unintelligible). yeah i just wanted to say that you know. i never got into comics as a kid like they were saying it used to just be superheroes and stuff i didn't like those things and then i became a stay-at-home mom and got into, an artist named heather. | Hi, I - okay (unintelligible). Yeah I. just wanted to say that you, know I never got into comics as a kid like they were saying, it used to just be superheroes and stuff I. didn't like those things And then I became a stay-at-home mom and got into an artist named Heather | hi. i - okay. (unintelligible). yeah, i just wanted to say that, you know, i never got into comics as a kid, like they were saying, it used to just be superheroes and stuff. i didn't like those things. and then i became a stay-at-home mom and got into an artist named heather cushman-dowdee. |
I don't know her. | i don't know | I don't know; | i don't know her. |
What? | what? | ||
I do not know her work. | i, do not, know her | I do, not know her; | i do not know her work. |
She's - she started out with "Cowgoddess," was her superhero, and her superpowers were things like birthing and lactating. | she's, - she, started out with "cowgoddess" was. her superhero. and her superpowers were things like birthing and | She's - she started out with "Cowgoddess" was. her superhero and her superpowers were things like; birthing and | she's - she started out with "cowgoddess," was her superhero, and her superpowers were things like birthing and lactating. |
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And it's stuff that, you know, parents could relate to. And I don't think I would have gotten any of the jokes before I had kids, but she writes on current events and parenting issues and things like that. And she's online, and she's got a few books out. And now she has another series called "Mama is...". So she's got ... | and it's stuff that you know parents could, relate to and i don't think i would have gotten. any of; the jokes before i had kids but she writes on current events and parenting issues and things like that and she's online and she's got a few books out and now she has another series called "mama; is...". so she's got the... | And; it's stuff. that you know parents could relate to. And I don't think I would have gotten any of the jokes before I had kids but she writes on current events and parenting issues and things like that And she's online and. she's got a few books out And now she, has another series called. "Mama is...". So she's got t... | and it's stuff that, you know, parents could relate to. and i don't think i would have gotten any of the jokes before i had kids, but she writes on current events and parenting issues and things like that. and she's online, and she's got a few books out. and now she has another series called "mama is...". so she's got ... |
Neil Gaiman, are you familiar with her work? | neil. gaiman are you familiar with her | Neil Gaiman are you familiar with her | neil gaiman, are you familiar with her work? |
I'm not. But I've jotted the name down, and will go and look. That's... | i'm not but i've jotted the name down and will, go and. look | I'm not But. I've jotted the name down and will, go and look. | i'm not. but i've jotted the name down, and will go and look. that's... |
You check her out. Heather Cushman-Dowdee. | you check her out heather. | You check her out Heather | you check her out. heather cushman-dowdee. |
...that, for me, is - I absolutely will. | ...that, for me is - i absolutely | ...that for me is - I absolutely | ...that, for me, is - i absolutely will. |
Okay, good. | okay | Okay. | okay, good. |
And that's the delight right now for me of what's going on in comics. We were talking early on about the democracy of comics... | and that's the. delight, right now for me of what's, going on in comics we were talking, early on about the democracy of. | And that's, the delight right now for me of what's going on in comics We. were talking early on about the democracy of, | and that's the delight right now for me of what's going on in comics. we were talking early on about the democracy of comics... |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
...and the fact that, you know, if you want to make a movie, you need to find somebody who's going to put together a few million dollars for you. If you want to make a comic book, you need a pen and some paper, or a computer and a tablet. These days, with the Web, you have instant access to - with your comic - to every... | ...and the fact that you know if you want to make a movie you need to find somebody who's going to put together a few million dollars for you if you want to make a comic book you need a pen and some paper or a computer and a tablet these days with the web, you have instant access to, - with your, comic - to everybody i... | ...and the fact that you know if. you. want to make a movie you need, to find, somebody who's going to put together a few million dollars, for you If you want to, make a comic book you need a pen and some, paper or a. computer and a. tablet These, days with the Web you have instant access to - with your comic - to. eve... | ...and the fact that, you know, if you want to make a movie, you need to find somebody who's going to put together a few million dollars for you. if you want to make a comic book, you need a pen and some paper, or a computer and a tablet. these days, with the web, you have instant access to - with your comic - to every... |
So there is a glory there of just democracy. It's very, very easy to go and make comics and to go and make good ones. And as a result of which, there are more and more good comics, I think, being made every day. | so there is. a glory there of just democracy it's very very easy to go and make comics and to go and make good ones and as a, result; of which; there are more and more good comics i think being made every | So. there is a glory there of just democracy It's very. very easy to go and make comics and, to go and make good ones And. as a result of which there are more and more good comics I think; being made every | so there is a glory there of just democracy. it's very, very easy to go and make comics and to go and make good ones. and as a result of which, there are more and more good comics, i think, being made every day. |
Here's an email we have from Anne(ph): I'm trying to get my daughter into an art school next year, and they have expressed that they do not want to see any comic art in her submission. I think that is so sad, as if to say comic art is not art. And that almost brings us full circle, back to where we started this convers... | here's an email we. have from anne(ph): i'm. trying. to get my daughter into an art. school, next year and they have expressed that they do not want to see any comic art in her, submission i think that is so sad as if to say comic art is not art and that almost brings us full circle. back to where we started this | Here's an email we have from Anne(ph): I'm trying to get my. daughter into an art. school next year and they have. expressed that they do not want to see any comic art in her submission I think that. is so sad as if to say. comic art is not, art And that almost brings us full, circle back to where we started this | here's an email we have from anne(ph): i'm trying to get my daughter into an art school next year, and they have expressed that they do not want to see any comic art in her submission. i think that is so sad, as if to say comic art is not art. and that almost brings us full circle, back to where we started this convers... |
I think it does. But I think that it's - I think, in terms of drawing, I'm reminded of what Dave McKean, who drew my very first graphic novel and did the covers of every "Sandman," and who I've worked with and done all sorts of comics now for 25 years, said, which is the best thing for him about going to art school, wa... | i think it does but i think that it's - i think in terms of drawing i'm reminded of what dave mckean who drew my very. first graphic novel and did the covers of, every "sandman" and who i've worked with and done all sorts of comics now for 25 years said which is the best thing for him about going to art school wanting ... | I think it does But I think that it's - I think in terms of drawing I'm reminded of what Dave McKean who drew my, very first. graphic novel and did the, covers of. every "Sandman" and who. I've worked with and done all sorts; of comics now, for 25 years said which is the best thing for him about going to art school wan... | i think it does. but i think that it's - i think, in terms of drawing, i'm reminded of what dave mckean, who drew my very first graphic novel and did the covers of every "sandman," and who i've worked with and done all sorts of comics now for 25 years, said, which is the best thing for him about going to art school, wa... |
So I think, you know, if you're going to college, you're going to an art college, great. Learn figure drawing. Learn everything you can. And then, if you want to do comics, take it back and make really cool comics that nobody's ever seen before. | so i think you know if you're going to college you're going to an art college great learn figure drawing learn everything you can and then if you want to do comics take, it back and. make really cool comics that nobody's ever seen | So I think you, know if you're going to college you're going to an art college great Learn figure drawing. Learn everything you can And; then if you want to do comics take it back and make really, cool comics that nobody's. ever. seen | so i think, you know, if you're going to college, you're going to an art college, great. learn figure drawing. learn everything you can. and then, if you want to do comics, take it back and make really cool comics that nobody's ever seen before. |
I wanted to ask you, also: Have you seen Sophie Crumb's book which just came out? | i, wanted to ask you also: have you seen sophie crumb's book which just came | I wanted. to ask you also: Have. you seen Sophie Crumb's book which just came | i wanted to ask you, also: have you seen sophie crumb's book which just came out? |
I've seen some of Sophie's work before, and I read an article about Sophie's book and have it on order, and don't have it yet. | i've seen some of sophie's work before and i read an article about sophie's book and have it on, order and don't have it | I've seen some of Sophie's work before and I read. an. article about Sophie's book and have it on, order and, don't have it | i've seen some of sophie's work before, and i read an article about sophie's book and have it on order, and don't have it yet. |
Well, we... | well | Well | well, we... |
But I'm absolutely fascinated by the idea that you have an entire life of drawings summed up in one book. | but i'm absolutely fascinated by the idea that you have an entire life of drawings summed up, in one | But I'm absolutely fascinated by the idea that you have an entire life of, drawings summed up in one | but i'm absolutely fascinated by the idea that you have an entire life of drawings summed up in one book. |
Neil Gaiman, thank you so much for being with us. And good luck with "The Best American Comics 2010." | neil gaiman thank you so much for being with us and good luck with "the best american comics | Neil Gaiman thank you so much for being with us And good luck with "The Best American Comics; | neil gaiman, thank you so much for being with us. and good luck with "the best american comics 2010." |
Thank you so much, Neal. | thank you so much | Thank, you so much | thank you so much, neal. |
Neil Gaiman is the editor of "The Best American Comics 2010." We've posted excerpts from a number of the comics we've talked about. You can get a look at npr.org, click on TALK OF THE NATION. He's also the author of several novels, including "Anansi Boys" and "American Gods," creator and writer of "The Sandman," and jo... | neil gaiman is the editor of "the best american comics 2010." we've posted. excerpts from a number. of the comics we've talked about you can get, a look at npr.org click on talk of the nation. he's also the author of. several novels including "anansi boys" and "american gods" creator and writer of "the, sandman" and jo... | Neil Gaiman is the editor of, "The Best American Comics 2010." We've posted excerpts from a number of the comics we've talked about You can get a look at npr.org click on TALK OF THE, NATION He's also the author of several novels including "Anansi Boys" and "American Gods" creator and writer of "The Sandman" and joined... | neil gaiman is the editor of "the best american comics 2010." we've posted excerpts from a number of the comics we've talked about. you can get a look at npr.org, click on talk of the nation. he's also the author of several novels, including "anansi boys" and "american gods," creator and writer of "the sandman," and jo... |
Again, we did talk with Robert Crumb about his illustrated version of "The Book of Genesis." That interview is on our website. You can go to npr.org, click on TALK OF THE NATION. Robert and Sophie Crumb were also with us to talk about her new book. That's another program you can find there, as well. | again we did talk with robert. crumb about. his illustrated version of "the book of genesis" that interview is on our website you can. go to npr.org click on talk, of. the nation robert and, sophie crumb were also with us to talk about her new book that's another program you, can. find there as | Again we did talk with Robert Crumb about his illustrated version of "The Book, of Genesis" That interview is on our website You can go to npr.org click on TALK OF THE. NATION, Robert and Sophie Crumb were also with us to talk about her new book That's another program you can, find there as | again, we did talk with robert crumb about his illustrated version of "the book of genesis." that interview is on our website. you can go to npr.org, click on talk of the nation. robert and sophie crumb were also with us to talk about her new book. that's another program you can find there, as well. |
Coming up, we're going to be talking about the importance of words in the immigration debate, specifically the terminology to describe those we are talking about - illegal immigrants, aliens, undocumented workers. Is the language important? And if so, why? | coming up we're going to be. talking about the importance of words in the immigration debate specifically; the terminology to describe those we are talking about - illegal immigrants aliens undocumented workers is, the language, important? and. if so | Coming up we're going to be talking about the importance of words in the immigration debate specifically the terminology to describe those we, are talking about - illegal immigrants aliens. undocumented workers Is the, language important? And if so | coming up, we're going to be talking about the importance of words in the immigration debate, specifically the terminology to describe those we are talking about - illegal immigrants, aliens, undocumented workers. is the language important? and if so, why? |
Stay with us. I'm Neal Conan. It's the TALK OF THE NATION, from NPR News. | stay with us i'm neal conan it's the talk. of the. nation from npr | Stay with us I'm Neal Conan It's the TALK OF THE. NATION from NPR | stay with us. i'm neal conan. it's the talk of the nation, from npr news. |
This is NEWS AND NOTES. I'm Tony Cox. On today's Roundtable, campaign season officially begins. Will the Bush administration's performance in the Middle East bog the GOP down? And he's been on an important mission, but how successful had Kofi Annan's visit to the Middle East been? | this is news and notes i'm tony cox on today's roundtable campaign season officially begins will the bush administration's performance in the middle, east bog the gop down? and he's been on an important mission, but, how successful had kofi annan's visit to the middle east | This is NEWS AND NOTES I'm Tony Cox On today's Roundtable campaign season officially begins Will the Bush administration's performance in the Middle East bog the GOP down? And he's been on an important mission but how, successful had Kofi Annan's visit to the Middle East | this is news and notes. i'm tony cox. on today's roundtable, campaign season officially begins. will the bush administration's performance in the middle east bog the gop down? and he's been on an important mission, but how successful had kofi annan's visit to the middle east been? |
Joining us today from our Chicago bureau is Roland Martin - executive editor of the Chicago Defender - along with Laura Washington, Chicago Sun-Times columnist. And Michael Meyers, of the New York Civil Rights Coalition. Welcome, everybody. | joining us today from our chicago bureau is, roland martin - executive editor of the chicago defender - along; with laura washington chicago sun-times columnist. and michael meyers of the new york civil rights coalition welcome, | Joining us today from our Chicago bureau is Roland Martin - executive editor of the, Chicago Defender - along with Laura Washington Chicago Sun-Times columnist And Michael, Meyers of the New York. Civil Rights Coalition. Welcome | joining us today from our chicago bureau is roland martin - executive editor of the chicago defender - along with laura washington, chicago sun-times columnist. and michael meyers, of the new york civil rights coalition. welcome, everybody. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Hey, there. | hey | Hey | hey, there. |
Hi, Tony. | hi. | Hi | hi, tony. |
Hey, listen, before we get into talking about the Middle East, I'd like to ask you this sort of off-topic question. You just heard the conversation that I had about the new television season. And without taking much more time on the subject, would you be willing to just tell us briefly: are you TV watchers -the three o... | hey listen before we get into talking about the; middle east i'd, like to ask, you this. sort of. off-topic question you just heard the conversation that i had about the new; television season, and without taking. much more time on the subject would you be willing to just tell. us briefly: are you tv watchers -the thre... | Hey listen before we get into talking about, the Middle, East I'd like to ask you this sort. of off-topic question You just heard the, conversation that I had about the new television season And without taking much more time on the subject would you be willing to just tell us briefly: are you TV watchers -the three of ... | hey, listen, before we get into talking about the middle east, i'd like to ask you this sort of off-topic question. you just heard the conversation that i had about the new television season. and without taking much more time on the subject, would you be willing to just tell us briefly: are you tv watchers -the three o... |
I just moved to North Carolina from California, and we just fought it there in California. | i just moved, to north carolina from california. and we just fought it there in | I just moved to North Carolina from California and we just fought, it there in | i just moved to north carolina from california, and we just fought it there in california. |
And it all came to a head for you with a massive hospital car bomb, a car bomb that was place right near the entrance of a hospital. You find out later that, in fact, it was designed for you specifically. | and, it all came. to a head for you with a. massive hospital car bomb a car bomb that was place right near, the entrance of a hospital you find out later that in fact it was designed for you | And it all came. to a. head for you with a massive hospital car bomb a car bomb that was place right near the entrance of a hospital You, find out later that in fact it was designed for you | and it all came to a head for you with a massive hospital car bomb, a car bomb that was place right near the entrance of a hospital. you find out later that, in fact, it was designed for you specifically. |
That's right. Yeah. They knew that we would not be able to evacuate a hospital, so I would, therefore, have to go and deal with the device by hand. What I did instead was actually get into the hospital, and evacuate everyone to the back of the hospital. So they would be behind cover, and then I escaped out through a si... | that's right yeah they knew that we would not be able to evacuate a hospital so i would. therefore have to go and deal with the device by hand what, i did instead was actually get, into the hospital and evacuate everyone to the back of the hospital so they would be behind. cover and then i escaped. out through a side w... | That's right Yeah They. knew that we would not be able to; evacuate a hospital so I would therefore have to go and, deal with the device by hand What I did instead was, actually get into the hospital and evacuate everyone to the back of the hospital, So, they would be behind cover and then I escaped out through a side ... | that's right. yeah. they knew that we would not be able to evacuate a hospital, so i would, therefore, have to go and deal with the device by hand. what i did instead was actually get into the hospital, and evacuate everyone to the back of the hospital. so they would be behind cover, and then i escaped out through a si... |
Can you read a passage from that incident? | can you read a passage from. that | Can you read a passage from that | can you read a passage from that incident? |
Yes, certainly. | yes, | Yes | yes, certainly. |
There's a pause, then a blinding, searing flash as the car explodes in a whirlwind of fire and shrapnel. The earth shaking roar makes the ground tremble beneath our feet, and then the shock wave hits us. I feel my eardrums go and my body jitter as I'm smashed into the snatch vehicle behind me. I steady myself, my ears ... | there's a. pause then, a, blinding searing flash as the car explodes in, a, whirlwind of fire and shrapnel. the earth shaking roar makes. the. ground tremble beneath our feet and then the shock wave hits us i feel my eardrums, go and my body jitter as i'm smashed into the snatch, vehicle behind me, i steady myself my e... | There's a pause then a blinding searing flash as the car explodes in a, whirlwind of, fire. and shrapnel, The earth shaking roar makes the ground, tremble beneath our feet and then the shock, wave hits us I feel, my, eardrums go and my body jitter as I'm smashed into the snatch. vehicle behind me I steady myself my, ea... | there's a pause, then a blinding, searing flash as the car explodes in a whirlwind of fire and shrapnel. the earth shaking roar makes the ground tremble beneath our feet, and then the shock wave hits us. i feel my eardrums go and my body jitter as i'm smashed into the snatch vehicle behind me. i steady myself, my ears ... |
That was your last assignment. | that was your last, | That was your last | that was your last assignment. |
That was, yeah. That's right. | that. was yeah that's | That was yeah That's | that was, yeah. that's right. |
You were pulled off the job because your boss basically said that's it. I don't want you to die. | you were pulled off the job because your boss basically said, that's it; i don't want. you to | You were pulled off the job because. your boss basically said that's it I don't want you to | you were pulled off the job because your boss basically said that's it. i don't want you to die. |
That's it, yeah. He said basically that you've done enough, and you're now obviously compromising the team as well. | that's it yeah he said basically that you've done enough and you're. now obviously compromising the team as | That's it yeah He said basically that you've done enough and you're now obviously compromising the team as, | that's it, yeah. he said basically that you've done enough, and you're now obviously compromising the team as well. |
So you were pulled off that job for your safety and assigned to gathering intelligence, and what did you discover? Where were these bombs coming from, and who was making them? | so you were pulled off that job for your safety and assigned to gathering intelligence and what did you discover? where were these bombs coming from and who was making | So you were pulled, off that job for your safety and, assigned to gathering intelligence. and what did you discover? Where were these bombs coming from and who was making | so you were pulled off that job for your safety and assigned to gathering intelligence, and what did you discover? where were these bombs coming from, and who was making them? |
You know there were 650,000 tons of explosive ordinance ammunition stock piles in the country when we move in, in 2003. We managed to capture about 250,000 tons of that. But there were still 400,000 tons left lying around the country. So the insurgents were using that as the main explosive charges, and then just using ... | you, know there were 650,000 tons of explosive ordinance ammunition stock piles. in the country when we move in in 2003. we managed to capture about 250,000 tons of that, but there were still 400,000 tons left lying around the country so the insurgents, were using that as the main explosive charges and. then just using... | You know there were 650,000 tons of explosive ordinance ammunition stock piles in the country when we move in; in 2003. We managed to capture about, 250,000 tons, of that But there were still 400,000 tons left lying around the country. So the insurgents were using that as the main explosive charges and then just using ... | you know there were 650,000 tons of explosive ordinance ammunition stock piles in the country when we move in, in 2003. we managed to capture about 250,000 tons of that. but there were still 400,000 tons left lying around the country. so the insurgents were using that as the main explosive charges, and then just using ... |
But there was also a dimension from Iran, and those weren't everyday items. Those were devices being used by Lebanese Hezbollah against the Israelis. And Lebanese Hezbollah had provided them to the Iranians, and then between them they were shipping them into southern Iraq. And those devices, they're called explosive fo... | but there was also a dimension from iran and those weren't everyday, items those were devices being used by lebanese, hezbollah against the israelis and lebanese hezbollah had. provided them. to; the iranians and then between them they were shipping them, into southern iraq and those devices they're called explosive fo... | But there was also a dimension from Iran and those weren't everyday items Those were devices being used by Lebanese Hezbollah. against the Israelis And Lebanese Hezbollah; had. provided them to the. Iranians and then between them; they were shipping them into southern Iraq And those devices they're called explosive for... | but there was also a dimension from iran, and those weren't everyday items. those were devices being used by lebanese hezbollah against the israelis. and lebanese hezbollah had provided them to the iranians, and then between them they were shipping them into southern iraq. and those devices, they're called explosive fo... |
You volunteered to go to Iraq. You weren't assigned to go to Iraq. You wanted to go. | you volunteered to go to iraq you weren't assigned to go to iraq you wanted to | You volunteered to. go to Iraq You weren't assigned to go to. Iraq, You. wanted to | you volunteered to go to iraq. you weren't assigned to go to iraq. you wanted to go. |
Absolutely I mean... | absolutely i | Absolutely I | absolutely i mean... |
Why? | why? | ||
Absolutely. I mean, I was, the analogy I use is that, you know, imagine training to be a surgeon. Imagine going through all that med school, and then all the other training that you need to become a surgeon. And then never, ever carrying out an operation on a person. And that's what it's like as a soldier, or a sailor,... | absolutely i. mean i was the. analogy i use. is. that you. know imagine training to be, a surgeon imagine going through all that. med school and then, all the other training that you need to become a surgeon and then never ever carrying out, an operation on a, person and that's what it's like as a soldier or a sailor o... | Absolutely I mean I was the analogy I use is that you know imagine training to. be a surgeon Imagine going. through all that med school and then all. the other training, that, you need to become a surgeon And, then never ever carrying out an operation on, a person And that's what. it's like as a soldier or a sailor, or... | absolutely. i mean, i was, the analogy i use is that, you know, imagine training to be a surgeon. imagine going through all that med school, and then all the other training that you need to become a surgeon. and then never, ever carrying out an operation on a person. and that's what it's like as a soldier, or a sailor,... |
So for every serviceman and woman, I think, you know, they, when the opportunity comes up to go on operations, that's what it's all about. But eventually you get to a stage where, you know, you've got to question what's most important. And for me, it got to a stage where I'd been doing the job that I loved there for ma... | so for every serviceman and woman. i think you know they when the opportunity comes up to go on operations that's what, it's. all about but eventually you get to; a stage where you know you've. got to question what's most important and for me it got to a stage where, i'd been doing the job that i loved there for many m... | So for every serviceman and woman I think you know, they when the opportunity comes up to go on operations that's, what it's all about But eventually you get to a stage where you know. you've got to question what's most important And. for me it got to a stage where I'd been doing the job that I loved, there, for many; ... | so for every serviceman and woman, i think, you know, they, when the opportunity comes up to go on operations, that's what it's all about. but eventually you get to a stage where, you know, you've got to question what's most important. and for me, it got to a stage where i'd been doing the job that i loved there for ma... |
So you went back to England. Are you still married? | so you went, back to england. are you still | So you went back to England Are you still. | so you went back to england. are you still married? |
Yes, yeah. We're still happily married, and we've got two beautiful daughters, too. | yes yeah we're still happily married and we've got two beautiful daughters | Yes yeah, We're still. happily married and we've got two beautiful daughters | yes, yeah. we're still happily married, and we've got two beautiful daughters, too. |
Do you miss it? Do you want to go back to Iraq? | do you miss it? do you want to go back to | Do you miss it? Do you want to go back to; | do you miss it? do you want to go back to iraq? |
If you'd have asked me just a couple of months ago, I'd have said no. But I left the British military about 18 months ago. And now I've got to a stage where I'm missing it desperately. And I think, effectively what happens is, you know, we say to ourselves, well the grass is greener on the other side. I'm going to get ... | if you'd have asked me just a couple of. months ago i'd have said no but i left the, british military about 18 months ago and now i've got, to a stage where i'm missing it desperately and i think. effectively what happens is you know we say to ourselves well the grass is greener on the other side i'm going to get out a... | If you'd have asked me just. a couple of months ago I'd have said no But I left the British, military about 18 months. ago And now I've got to a stage where I'm missing it desperately And I think. effectively what happens is you know we say to ourselves well the grass is greener on the other side I'm going to get out a... | if you'd have asked me just a couple of months ago, i'd have said no. but i left the british military about 18 months ago. and now i've got to a stage where i'm missing it desperately. and i think, effectively what happens is, you know, we say to ourselves, well the grass is greener on the other side. i'm going to get ... |
What does your wife think of that? | what. does your wife think of | What. does your wife think of | what does your wife think of that? |
President Obama flatly denied that any goalposts had moved during the deficit talks. White House aides say they understood Boehner might not be able to deliver the additional $400 billion in tax revenue, but if that were the case, the president wanted a smaller reduction in government spending. | president obama flatly denied that. any goalposts had moved during the deficit talks white house aides say they understood boehner might not be able to deliver the additional $400 billion, in tax revenue but if that were the case the president wanted, a smaller reduction in government | President Obama flatly denied, that any, goalposts had, moved during the deficit talks White House aides say, they understood Boehner might not; be. able to. deliver the additional $400 billion in. tax, revenue but if that were the case the, president wanted a smaller reduction in government | president obama flatly denied that any goalposts had moved during the deficit talks. white house aides say they understood boehner might not be able to deliver the additional $400 billion in tax revenue, but if that were the case, the president wanted a smaller reduction in government spending. |
She's not entirely thrilled. But no, Lucy is actually, she's very supportive of it. We've talked long and hard about it, and I'm not going to be going out there for too long, probably just a few months. But I just, I don't feel content now. I don't feel entirely sort of settled in this beautiful, idyllic lifestyle we'v... | she's not. entirely thrilled but no lucy is actually she's very supportive of it we've talked long, and hard about it and i'm not going to be going out there for, too long probably just a few months but i just i, don't feel content now i don't feel entirely sort, of settled in this beautiful idyllic lifestyle we've got... | She's not entirely thrilled But no Lucy is actually she's very supportive of it We've talked long and hard about it and I'm not going to be going out there for too long probably just a few months But I just I don't, feel. content now I don't feel entirely sort of settled in this beautiful idyllic lifestyle we've got An... | she's not entirely thrilled. but no, lucy is actually, she's very supportive of it. we've talked long and hard about it, and i'm not going to be going out there for too long, probably just a few months. but i just, i don't feel content now. i don't feel entirely sort of settled in this beautiful, idyllic lifestyle we'v... |
Haven't you said that before? | haven't you said that | Haven't, you said that | haven't you said that before? |
Kind of, yeah. | kind of | Kind of | kind of, yeah. |
Chris Hunter. He's the author of the new book, "Eight Lives Down". It's about his experience in Basra in 2004, dismantling roadside bombs for the British Army. Chris Hunter, thank you very much. | chris hunter he's the author of the new book "eight lives down". it's about his experience in basra in 2004, dismantling roadside bombs for the, british army chris hunter thank you very. | Chris Hunter He's the author of the new book "Eight Lives Down". It's about his experience in Basra in 2004, dismantling roadside bombs for the British Army Chris Hunter thank, you very. | chris hunter. he's the author of the new book, "eight lives down". it's about his experience in basra in 2004, dismantling roadside bombs for the british army. chris hunter, thank you very much. |
Thanks very much indeed for your time. | thanks very much indeed for your | Thanks very much indeed for your | thanks very much indeed for your time. |
There's an excerpt from Chris Hunter's book at our website, npr.org. | there's an, excerpt from chris hunter's book at our website | There's an excerpt from Chris Hunter's book at our website | there's an excerpt from chris hunter's book at our website, npr.org. |
Earlier this week, we profiled an American soldier, Captain Nate Rawlings, who recently shipped back to Iraq for his second deployment. He is in Sadr City now, in Baghdad. You can send him questions by going to npr.org/nate. We're going to read some of your questions and hear a couple of Nate's email responses tomorr... | earlier this week we profiled an american soldier captain nate rawlings who recently shipped back to iraq for his second deployment he is, in sadr city now in baghdad you can send him questions by going to; npr.org/nate we're going to read some of your. questions and; hear a couple of nate's email responses tomorrow ... | Earlier this week we profiled an American soldier Captain Nate Rawlings who recently shipped back to Iraq for his second deployment He is in Sadr. City now in Baghdad You, can send him questions by going to npr.org/nate We're going to read some of your questions and hear a couple of Nate's email responses tomorrow on... | earlier this week, we profiled an american soldier, captain nate rawlings, who recently shipped back to iraq for his second deployment. he is in sadr city now, in baghdad. you can send him questions by going to npr.org/nate. we're going to read some of your questions and hear a couple of nate's email responses tomorr... |
You might think of cocaine as a party drug from the '70s and '80s, but 100 years before that, in the 1880s, a guy by the name of Sigmund Freud, yeah, the father of psychoanalysis, was suiting up in white tie and gloves, attending soirees in Paris and snorting a little cocaine to, quote, "untie his tongue." Around the s... | you might think of cocaine as a party. drug from the '70s and '80s but 100 years. before that in the 1880s a guy by the, name of sigmund; freud yeah the father of psychoanalysis; was suiting up in white tie. and gloves attending; soirees. in paris and snorting a little cocaine to. quote "untie his tongue" around the sa... | You might, think of cocaine as a party drug from the '70s and '80s but 100 years before that in the 1880s a, guy by the name of Sigmund Freud yeah the father of psychoanalysis was suiting up in white tie and gloves attending soirees in Paris and snorting, a little cocaine to quote "untie his tongue" Around the same tim... | you might think of cocaine as a party drug from the '70s and '80s, but 100 years before that, in the 1880s, a guy by the name of sigmund freud, yeah, the father of psychoanalysis, was suiting up in white tie and gloves, attending soirees in paris and snorting a little cocaine to, quote, "untie his tongue." around the s... |
These are just a few of the stories in the new book "An Anatomy of Addiction: Sigmund Freud, William Halsted, and the Miracle Drug Cocaine," a fascinating read about two scientists who abused cocaine and why they were so intrigued by it in the first place. And it was written by our monthly science fiction contributor H... | these are, just a few of the stories in the new book "an anatomy of addiction: sigmund. freud william. halsted and the miracle drug cocaine" a fascinating read. about two. scientists who, abused cocaine and why they were so intrigued by it in the first place and it was written by our monthly, science fiction contributo... | These are just a few of the stories, in the, new book "An Anatomy of Addiction: Sigmund Freud William Halsted and the Miracle Drug Cocaine" a fascinating read about two. scientists who abused cocaine and why they were so intrigued by it in the first place And it was written by our monthly science fiction contributor Ho... | these are just a few of the stories in the new book "an anatomy of addiction: sigmund freud, william halsted, and the miracle drug cocaine," a fascinating read about two scientists who abused cocaine and why they were so intrigued by it in the first place. and it was written by our monthly science fiction contributor h... |
DR. HOWARD MARKEL: It's great to be here. Good afternoon, Ira. | dr howard markel: it's great to be here good afternoon | DR HOWARD MARKEL: It's, great to be here Good afternoon | dr. howard markel: it's great to be here. good afternoon, ira. |
We won't be taking calls this hour, so don't try to call in. But if you want more information about what we're talking about, go to our website at sciencefriday.com, where you'll find links to our topic. This is really a fascinating book. What made you decide to take this project on? | we won't be taking calls this hour so don't try to call in but if you want more information about what we're talking about go to our website at sciencefriday.com where you'll. find links to our topic this is really a fascinating book what made you decide to take this project | We won't be taking calls this hour so don't try to call in But if you want more information about what we're, talking. about go to our website at sciencefriday.com where, you'll find links to our topic This is really a fascinating book What made you decide to take, this; project | we won't be taking calls this hour, so don't try to call in. but if you want more information about what we're talking about, go to our website at sciencefriday.com, where you'll find links to our topic. this is really a fascinating book. what made you decide to take this project on? |
Well, I became very interested in seeing addicted patients in my own clinic, and I tend to understand the world as completely as I can as both a historian and a physician. And I wanted to learn a little bit more about the origins of addiction. And as I studied more and more and read more and more, I came across both Si... | well i became very interested in seeing addicted. patients in my own clinic. and i tend to, understand the world as completely as i can as both. a historian and a physician and i, wanted to learn, a. little bit more about the origins of addiction and as i studied more and. more and, read more and more, i came across bo... | Well. I became very interested in seeing, addicted patients in my own clinic and I tend to understand the world as completely as I can as both a historian and a physician And; I wanted to learn a little bit more about the origins of addiction And as I studied more. and more and read more and. more I came across both Si... | well, i became very interested in seeing addicted patients in my own clinic, and i tend to understand the world as completely as i can as both a historian and a physician. and i wanted to learn a little bit more about the origins of addiction. and as i studied more and more and read more and more, i came across both si... |
Tell us about what there was at that turn of the century over 100 years ago, that period of time where cocaine seemed to be popping up everywhere. Sigmund Freud, you had it in these doctors, and you had it in Arthur Conan Doyle talking about Sherlock Holmes. The world seem to - and we hear stories that Coca-Cola was in... | tell us about what there was at that, turn of the century over 100 years ago that period of time where cocaine seemed to be popping up everywhere sigmund freud you, had it in these doctors and you had it in. arthur conan doyle talking about sherlock holmes the world seem to - and we hear, stories that coca-cola, was in... | Tell us about; what there was at that turn of the century over, 100 years; ago that period of time where cocaine, seemed to be popping up everywhere Sigmund Freud. you had it in these doctors and you had it in Arthur Conan Doyle talking about Sherlock. Holmes The world seem to - and we hear stories that Coca-Cola was i... | tell us about what there was at that turn of the century over 100 years ago, that period of time where cocaine seemed to be popping up everywhere. sigmund freud, you had it in these doctors, and you had it in arthur conan doyle talking about sherlock holmes. the world seem to - and we hear stories that coca-cola was in... |
Absolutely. In the 1880s, even though coca leaves had been chewed by the aboriginals in South America for millennia, around the early 1800s, as European explorers started traveling to South America, they brought some coca leaves back. And they were very impressed by the endurance and the stimulation that came from chew... | absolutely in. the 1880s even. though coca leaves had been chewed by the aboriginals in. south america for millennia around the early 1800s as european explorers started traveling to south america they brought some coca. leaves back and they were. very impressed by the endurance and the stimulation that came from chewi... | Absolutely In the 1880s. even though coca leaves had been chewed by the, aboriginals in South America, for millennia around the early 1800s as European, explorers started traveling to South America, they brought some coca leaves back And they were very impressed by the endurance, and the stimulation that came from chew... | absolutely. in the 1880s, even though coca leaves had been chewed by the aboriginals in south america for millennia, around the early 1800s, as european explorers started traveling to south america, they brought some coca leaves back. and they were very impressed by the endurance and the stimulation that came from chew... |
And the drug companies, the pharmaceutical houses of the era, loved it. It was their blockbuster drug. And they sold it as a cure for upset stomach, for flatulence, for consumption, for depression, for morphine addiction. Well, perhaps they oversold it a bit, but it was truly the miracle drug of its era. | and the drug companies the pharmaceutical houses of the era loved it it was their blockbuster drug and they sold it as a cure for upset stomach for flatulence for consumption for depression for. morphine addiction well perhaps they oversold it a bit but it was truly the miracle drug of its | And the drug companies the pharmaceutical houses of, the era loved it It was their blockbuster drug And they sold it as a cure for upset stomach for flatulence for consumption for depression for morphine addiction Well perhaps they oversold it a bit but it was truly the miracle drug of its | and the drug companies, the pharmaceutical houses of the era, loved it. it was their blockbuster drug. and they sold it as a cure for upset stomach, for flatulence, for consumption, for depression, for morphine addiction. well, perhaps they oversold it a bit, but it was truly the miracle drug of its era. |
Mm-hmm. This is SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR. I'm Ira Flatow, talking with Howard Markel, who's author of an incredible book, new book, "An Anatomy of Addiction." And how did Freud discover it and get hooked on it? | mm-hmm this is science friday from npr i'm ira flatow talking with howard markel who's author of an incredible book new; book "an anatomy of, addiction" and how did freud discover it. and get hooked on | Mm-hmm This is SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR I'm Ira Flatow talking with Howard Markel who's author of an, incredible book new book "An Anatomy of Addiction" And how did. Freud discover it and get hooked on | mm-hmm. this is science friday from npr. i'm ira flatow, talking with howard markel, who's author of an incredible book, new book, "an anatomy of addiction." and how did freud discover it and get hooked on it? |
Well, Freud - and it was really fun to get to learn about Freud as a young, nervous man who was eager to make his career. We always think of Freud as this icon with that beard and that grim countenance. But he was a nervous fellow and wanted to make good. And he was looking for something that would make his name. And h... | well freud - and it was really. fun to get to, learn about freud as a young nervous man, who was eager to make his career we always think of freud as this icon with that. beard and that grim, countenance. but he was a nervous fellow and wanted to make good and he, was looking for. something. that would make his name an... | Well Freud. - and; it was really fun to get to learn about Freud as a young nervous man who was eager to make his career. We always, think of Freud as this icon with that beard and that, grim countenance But he, was a, nervous fellow. and wanted to make good And he was looking for something that. would make his name An... | well, freud - and it was really fun to get to learn about freud as a young, nervous man who was eager to make his career. we always think of freud as this icon with that beard and that grim countenance. but he was a nervous fellow and wanted to make good. and he was looking for something that would make his name. and h... |
So he read various little case reports in the journals about how great cocaine was for fighting off depression or fatigue. And he found an interesting little report that it could help you if you had morphine addiction. And morphine and opium were terrifically overprescribed back then. And what the medical profession di... | so, he read, various little case reports in the journals, about how great, cocaine, was for fighting off depression or fatigue and he found an interesting little report that it could help you if you had morphine addiction and morphine and opium, were terrifically overprescribed. back then, and what the medical professi... | So he read various little case reports. in the journals about how great. cocaine was for fighting off depression or fatigue And he found an interesting little report. that it, could help you if you had morphine addiction And morphine and opium were terrifically overprescribed back then. And what the medical profession,... | so he read various little case reports in the journals about how great cocaine was for fighting off depression or fatigue. and he found an interesting little report that it could help you if you had morphine addiction. and morphine and opium were terrifically overprescribed back then. and what the medical profession di... |
That's only fair. If I'm saying to future recipients of Social Security or Medicare that you're going to have to make some adjustments, it's important that we're also willing to make some adjustments when it comes to corporate jet owners or oil and gas producers or people who are making millions or billions of dollars. | that's only fair, if i'm saying to future recipients of social, security or medicare that you're going to have to make some. adjustments it's important that we're also, willing to make some adjustments when it, comes to corporate jet owners or oil and gas producers or people who, are making millions or billions of | That's only fair. If I'm saying to future recipients of Social, Security or Medicare that you're going to have to make some. adjustments it's important that we're also willing to make some adjustments when it. comes to corporate jet owners or oil; and gas producers or. people who are making, millions or billions of, | that's only fair. if i'm saying to future recipients of social security or medicare that you're going to have to make some adjustments, it's important that we're also willing to make some adjustments when it comes to corporate jet owners or oil and gas producers or people who are making millions or billions of dollars. |
Absolutely. I mean, I absolutely love television. It is a great escape between all the jobs that I have. But clearly things are missing. You know, what offends me, of course, is the fact that African-Americans build up these networks and then they abandon us. The reality is Fox would never had been able to be it for th... | absolutely i mean i absolutely love television it, is a great escape between all the jobs that i have but clearly things are. missing you know what offends me of course is the fact that african-americans build up these networks and. then they abandon us the reality, is fox would never had. been. able to. be it, for. th... | Absolutely, I mean I. absolutely love television It is, a great escape between all the jobs that, I have But, clearly. things; are missing You know what. offends, me of course is the fact; that African-Americans build up these networks, and then they abandon us The reality is, Fox would never had been able to be it for... | absolutely. i mean, i absolutely love television. it is a great escape between all the jobs that i have. but clearly things are missing. you know, what offends me, of course, is the fact that african-americans build up these networks and then they abandon us. the reality is fox would never had been able to be it for th... |
The same thing with the UPN and WB. And, as usual, African-Americans are the first one abandoned when those networks become successful. So, really, the only show that I will consistently watch would be probably Grey's Anatomy because of the diversity of that cast and also because it's a great show. | the same thing with the upn and wb and as usual african-americans are the first, one. abandoned when those networks become, successful so really the only show that, i, will consistently watch would be probably grey's anatomy because of the diversity of that cast and also because it's a, great | The same thing with the UPN and WB And as usual African-Americans are the first one abandoned when those networks become successful So really the only show that I will consistently watch would be probably Grey's Anatomy because of. the. diversity; of that cast and also because. it's. a great | the same thing with the upn and wb. and, as usual, african-americans are the first one abandoned when those networks become successful. so, really, the only show that i will consistently watch would be probably grey's anatomy because of the diversity of that cast and also because it's a great show. |
But certainly, you don't see a lot of shows targeted towards me. | but certainly. you don't see a lot of shows targeted towards | But certainly you don't see a lot of shows targeted towards | but certainly, you don't see a lot of shows targeted towards me. |
That's interesting. What do you think, Laura? | that's interesting what do you think | That's interesting What do you think | that's interesting. what do you think, laura? |
Well, last night, Tony, I sat down a relaxing Labor Day evening to watch some TV, and I went through 100 channels and I couldn't find anything. I turned it off and I went and got a book. I do like to watch TV, but there's just so little on TV that it appeals. | well last night tony i sat down a; relaxing labor day evening to watch. some tv, and i went through 100 channels and i couldn't find anything; i turned it off and i went and, got a book i do like to watch tv but there's just so. little on tv that it | Well last night Tony I sat down a relaxing, Labor, Day evening to watch some TV and I. went through, 100 channels and I couldn't find anything I, turned it off and I went and got a book I do like to watch TV but there's just so little on, TV. that it | well, last night, tony, i sat down a relaxing labor day evening to watch some tv, and i went through 100 channels and i couldn't find anything. i turned it off and i went and got a book. i do like to watch tv, but there's just so little on tv that it appeals. |
You know, remember when cable first came on the scene and this was going to be the salvation for folks who were sick of network news, and some of the worst stuff is on cable now. | you know remember when cable first came on the scene and, this was going to be the salvation for folks who were sick of network news and some of the worst stuff is. on, cable | You know remember when cable first, came on the scene and this was going to be the salvation for folks who were sick of network news, and some of the worst stuff, is on cable | you know, remember when cable first came on the scene and this was going to be the salvation for folks who were sick of network news, and some of the worst stuff is on cable now. |
I thought your conversation earlier was very interesting in the sense that there is a recognition among some networks that diversity does make money. But they don't see any need to respond to a call for social responsibility. But at least they understand that they can make money off of us, and so maybe that leaves us s... | i thought your conversation. earlier was very interesting in the sense, that there is a recognition. among some networks that diversity does make money but they don't see any need, to respond to a call for social responsibility but at least they understand. that they can make money. off of us and so maybe that leaves u... | I, thought. your conversation earlier was very interesting in the sense that there is a recognition among some. networks that diversity, does make, money But they don't see any; need to respond to a call for social; responsibility But at least they, understand, that they can make money off, of, us, and so maybe, that l... | i thought your conversation earlier was very interesting in the sense that there is a recognition among some networks that diversity does make money. but they don't see any need to respond to a call for social responsibility. but at least they understand that they can make money off of us, and so maybe that leaves us s... |
That's a shame. A thousand channels on cable TV… | that's a shame a thousand channels on cable | That's a shame A thousand channels on cable | that's a shame. a thousand channels on cable tv… |
Well, I said hundred, but if I - I said a hundred, but (unintelligible) a thousand. | well i, said hundred but if i - i said a. hundred but (unintelligible) a | Well I said hundred but if I - I said a hundred but (unintelligible) a | well, i said hundred, but if i - i said a hundred, but (unintelligible) a thousand. |
(Soundbite of laughter) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of laughter) |
Precisely. | precisely. | ||
Michael, what about you? | michael what about | Michael what about. | michael, what about you? |
Well, I think this is a different time. You don't look for diversity in terms of separate programming anymore, except on the former UPN. But blacks are in mainstream shows and in starring roles. | well, i think this is a different time you don't look for diversity in terms of separate, programming anymore except on the former upn but blacks, are in mainstream shows and in starring | Well I think this is a different time You don't look for diversity in terms of separate programming anymore except on the former UPN. But blacks are in mainstream. shows and in starring | well, i think this is a different time. you don't look for diversity in terms of separate programming anymore, except on the former upn. but blacks are in mainstream shows and in starring roles. |
For example, one of the shows I do watch on television - which I believe is excellent - is House. And one of the major doctors on that show is an African-American. | for example one. of the shows i do watch on television - which i believe is excellent - is house and one of the major doctors on that show is an | For example one of the shows I do watch on television - which I believe is excellent - is House. And one of, the major doctors on that show is an | for example, one of the shows i do watch on television - which i believe is excellent - is house. and one of the major doctors on that show is an african-american. |
That's right. | that's | That's | that's right. |
There are also a young woman, a young white male who's on the show, and the House is the white medical doctor who is the star of this show. But they're all stars in some way. But when you talk about the best shows being, quote-unquote, the best, these shows being Lost and Desperate Housewives. | there are also a young woman a young white male who's on the show and the; house is the white medical doctor who is the star of this show, but they're all stars in some way but when you talk about the best; shows being quote-unquote the best these shows. being lost and desperate | There are also a young woman a, young white male who's on the show and the House is the white, medical. doctor, who is the star of this show But they're all stars in some way But when you talk about the best shows being quote-unquote the best these. shows being Lost and. Desperate | there are also a young woman, a young white male who's on the show, and the house is the white medical doctor who is the star of this show. but they're all stars in some way. but when you talk about the best shows being, quote-unquote, the best, these shows being lost and desperate housewives. |
I think TV is lost. I think the people who view TV these days must be desperate housewives, because most of our TV is a wasteland. It's - and the producers and the creators of these shows must be pretty desperate. And there's no wonder that HBO - its motto is it's not TV, it's HBO, because they don't want to be TV. | i think tv is lost i. think the people who view tv these days must be desperate housewives because most. of our tv. is a wasteland; it's - and the producers and the creators of these shows must be, pretty desperate and there's no wonder that, hbo - its motto is it's not tv. it's hbo because, they don't want to be | I think TV is lost I think the people who. view TV these days must be desperate housewives because most of our TV is a. wasteland It's - and the producers and the creators of these shows must be pretty, desperate And there's no wonder that HBO - its motto is it's not TV it's HBO because they don't want to be | i think tv is lost. i think the people who view tv these days must be desperate housewives, because most of our tv is a wasteland. it's - and the producers and the creators of these shows must be pretty desperate. and there's no wonder that hbo - its motto is it's not tv, it's hbo, because they don't want to be tv. |
Absolutely. | absolutely. | ||
But, you know, that old song that television is the death of the nation, it's bleeding ignorance and feeding radiation. I think that's it. They lack imagination, there's no creativity. | but you. know that old song that television is, the death of the, nation it's bleeding ignorance and feeding radiation i think that's it they lack imagination there's no | But you know that. old song that television, is the death of the nation, it's bleeding. ignorance and feeding radiation I think that's it They lack imagination there's. no | but, you know, that old song that television is the death of the nation, it's bleeding ignorance and feeding radiation. i think that's it. they lack imagination, there's no creativity. |
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