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April, the mom, can imagine what that feels like. She says at times staying in Parkland felt suffocating. The implicit pressure to be "Parkland Strong," for one thing.	april the mom can imagine, what that feels like. she says at times staying in parkland felt suffocating the implicit pressure to be, "parkland strong" for one	April the mom can imagine what that feels like She, says at times staying in Parkland felt suffocating The implicit pressure to be "Parkland Strong" for one	april, the mom, can imagine what that feels like. she says at times staying in parkland felt suffocating. the implicit pressure to be "parkland strong," for one thing.
So you put on this facade that you're OK, you're strong, you're going to get through this. You're a fighter. And some days, you know, it's true. You do feel like that. And other days, it's a lot harder.	so you put on this facade that you're, ok you're strong you're going to get through this you're a fighter and some days you know it's true you do feel like that and other days it's a lot.	So you, put on this facade. that you're OK you're strong you're going to get through this You're a fighter And some days, you know it's true You do feel like, that And other days it's a lot	so you put on this facade that you're ok, you're strong, you're going to get through this. you're a fighter. and some days, you know, it's true. you do feel like that. and other days, it's a lot harder.
And what made the hard days even worse was learning about all the things that went wrong leading up to the shooting. The warnings to the FBI tip line about specific threats the shooter had made. Tips that fell through the cracks. The long chain of security failures at the school and the flawed response by law enforceme...	and what made the hard days even worse was learning about all the things that went wrong leading up to the shooting the warnings to the fbi tip line about specific threats the shooter had made tips that fell. through the cracks. the long chain of security failures at the. school and the flawed response by law, enforcem...	And what made the. hard days even worse was. learning about all the things that went wrong leading up to the shooting The warnings to, the FBI tip line about specific threats the shooter had made Tips that fell through the cracks The. long. chain of security failures at, the school and the flawed response by, law enfor...	and what made the hard days even worse was learning about all the things that went wrong leading up to the shooting. the warnings to the fbi tip line about specific threats the shooter had made. tips that fell through the cracks. the long chain of security failures at the school and the flawed response by law enforceme...
And do you find that there are some people who just say, you know, I don't want to take a government handout?	and do you, find that there are some people who just say you know i don't, want to take. a government	And do you find. that there are some people. who just; say you know I don't want to take a government	and do you find that there are some people who just say, you know, i don't want to take a government handout?
Anger?			anger?
Well, you know, it means that if they want to call a spade a spade, that they certainly can. You know, it's almost a cliche for media organizations to say that what they do is that they connect the dots, and they help readers or listeners make sense of the world. To me, though, it's not fair to say that that's true in ...	well. you, know it means that if they want to call a spade a spade that they certainly can you know it's almost a cliche for media organizations to, say that what they do is that they connect the dots and they, help readers or listeners make sense of the world to me though it's not fair to say that, that's true in ever...	Well you know it means that if they want to call a spade a spade that they certainly can You know it's almost a cliche for media organizations to say that what they do is. that, they connect, the dots and; they help readers or listeners make sense of the; world To me though it's not fair to say that that's true in ever...	well, you know, it means that if they want to call a spade a spade, that they certainly can. you know, it's almost a cliche for media organizations to say that what they do is that they connect the dots, and they help readers or listeners make sense of the world. to me, though, it's not fair to say that that's true in ...
Mike Oreskes, what's your direction to your staff on this?	mike oreskes what's your direction to your staff on	Mike Oreskes what's, your direction to your staff on	mike oreskes, what's your direction to your staff on this?
The great thing - the great thing about guarantee of an independent press is we can be independent from each other. And I don't think every journalism organization has to have the same rules, but I think our rules are really quite clear. And what they're based on is actually our bond with the audience. The more intense...	the great thing - the great thing about guarantee of an independent press is we. can be independent from each other and i don't think every, journalism organization has to have the same rules but i think our rules are really quite clear and what they're, based on is actually our, bond, with the audience the more intens...	The great thing - the great thing about guarantee of an, independent press is we can be independent from each other And. I don't think every journalism organization has to. have the same rules but I. think our rules are really quite clear And what they're based on is actually our bond with the audience The more intense...	the great thing - the great thing about guarantee of an independent press is we can be independent from each other. and i don't think every journalism organization has to have the same rules, but i think our rules are really quite clear. and what they're based on is actually our bond with the audience. the more intense...
Because why?	because.	Because	because why?
Because our job is to be open to as many different kinds of listeners and readers as we possibly can reach. And the more you sound like you're calling someone a name, the less people will listen to you.	because our job is to be open to as many different kinds of listeners and readers, as we possibly can reach and the more. you sound like you're calling someone a, name the less. people will listen to	Because our job is. to be open to as many different kinds of listeners and readers as we possibly can reach. And the, more you sound like you're, calling someone. a name the less people. will. listen to	because our job is to be open to as many different kinds of listeners and readers as we possibly can reach. and the more you sound like you're calling someone a name, the less people will listen to you.
So you're saying this is tactical, not moral?	so you're saying this is tactical not	So you're saying this is tactical not	so you're saying this is tactical, not moral?
No, I think it's moral in the sense - or at least a lot more than just a tactic. It's about my relationship to the audiences. I want everybody to be listening to us.	no i think it's moral in the sense - or at least a lot more than just a tactic it's about my relationship to the audiences i want everybody to. be listening to	No; I think it's moral in, the, sense - or at least a lot, more than just a, tactic It's about my relationship to the audiences I want everybody to be listening to	no, i think it's moral in the sense - or at least a lot more than just a tactic. it's about my relationship to the audiences. i want everybody to be listening to us.
That sounds technical, not moral.	that sounds technical not	That sounds technical not	that sounds technical, not moral.
Well, maybe. I'll take that.	well, maybe i'll take	Well maybe. I'll take	well, maybe. i'll take that.
That sounds tactical to me. Ryan is suggesting that that morally compromises you when you don't call it what he believes it is - that that somehow diminishes your moral authority. And you just don't agree.	that sounds tactical to me ryan is suggesting that that morally compromises you when you don't call it what. he believes it is - that. that somehow diminishes your moral authority and you just don't	That sounds. tactical to me Ryan. is suggesting that that morally compromises you when you don't call it what he believes it is - that that somehow diminishes your moral authority And you just don't	that sounds tactical to me. ryan is suggesting that that morally compromises you when you don't call it what he believes it is - that that somehow diminishes your moral authority. and you just don't agree.
Yeah, and I actually - I disagree. I believe that - in fact, our moral role in society is to provide as much information as many people as is possible.	yeah and i actually - i. disagree i believe that - in fact our moral role in society is to provide as much information as many people as is	Yeah and I actually - I disagree I, believe that - in fact our moral role in society is to provide. as much information as many. people as, is.	yeah, and i actually - i disagree. i believe that - in fact, our moral role in society is to provide as much information as many people as is possible.
To that end, Susan Glasser, I wanted to go back to something that you said earlier about the sense of what most people believe. Why is this so hard for people? Is it because we really don't agree on what racism is or because we really don't agree on what's outside the boundaries of appropriate public discourse?	to that end susan. glasser i wanted to go back; to something that you said earlier about the sense of, what most people believe why is this. so hard for, people? is it because we really don't agree on what racism is or because, we really don't agree on what's outside the boundaries of appropriate public	To; that end Susan Glasser I wanted to go back. to something, that you said; earlier about the sense of what most people believe Why is this so hard for; people? Is, it because we really. don't agree on what racism is or because we really don't agree on what's outside the boundaries. of appropriate public	to that end, susan glasser, i wanted to go back to something that you said earlier about the sense of what most people believe. why is this so hard for people? is it because we really don't agree on what racism is or because we really don't agree on what's outside the boundaries of appropriate public discourse?
Well, look, I think actually the public polls suggest that that's not the case. And you should remember that when you see a poll that says that 30 or 36 percent nationally support Donald Trump, that's 36 percent of a potential Republican primary electorate, which is by no means a majority, even of a minority party in t...	well look i think actually the public polls suggest that that's. not the case and you should remember that when you, see a poll that. says that 30 or 36 percent. nationally support donald trump that's 36 percent; of a potential republican primary electorate which is by no means a majority even of a minority party in th...	Well look I think actually the; public polls suggest that that's not the, case. And you should remember that when you see a poll that; says that 30 or 36 percent nationally support Donald Trump that's 36 percent of a potential Republican primary. electorate which is by no means a majority even of a. minority party. in ...	well, look, i think actually the public polls suggest that that's not the case. and you should remember that when you see a poll that says that 30 or 36 percent nationally support donald trump, that's 36 percent of a potential republican primary electorate, which is by no means a majority, even of a minority party in t...
Ryan, I'm going to do this 'cause there has been the suggestion by some - I would say - progressives that there be sort of a media fast around Donald Trump because his campaign is essentially fueled by attention. What do you think about that?	ryan i'm going to do this 'cause there has been the suggestion by some. - i would say - progressives that there be sort of a media fast. around donald trump because his campaign is essentially fueled by attention what do you think about	Ryan I'm going to do this, 'cause there has been the suggestion by some - I, would, say - progressives that there; be sort of a media fast around Donald Trump because his campaign; is essentially, fueled by attention What do you think about,	ryan, i'm going to do this 'cause there has been the suggestion by some - i would say - progressives that there be sort of a media fast around donald trump because his campaign is essentially fueled by attention. what do you think about that?
I think that he's tapping into something that does exist out there. And he would be getting some of that support whether or not the media was giving him all this free air time or not, but these are not exactly normal times. The kind of Tea Party that was unleashed in 2010 has now kind of gotten out of the control of th...	i think that, he's tapping into something that does exist out there and, he would be getting some of that support whether or not the media was giving him all this free air time or not but these are not exactly normal times the kind of tea, party that was unleashed in 2010 has now, kind of gotten out of the control of t...	I think that he's tapping into something that does exist out there And he would be getting some of that support whether or not the media was giving. him all this free air time or not but these are not exactly; normal times The kind of Tea Party that, was unleashed in; 2010 has now kind of gotten out of the control of t...	i think that he's tapping into something that does exist out there. and he would be getting some of that support whether or not the media was giving him all this free air time or not, but these are not exactly normal times. the kind of tea party that was unleashed in 2010 has now kind of gotten out of the control of th...
But particularly, though, given that the Huffington Post leans progressive, to those who argue that you empower him by speaking his language, you say no.	but particularly though, given, that the huffington, post leans progressive to those who argue that you empower him by speaking his language you say	But particularly though given that the Huffington Post leans progressive to those who argue that you empower him. by speaking, his, language you say,	but particularly, though, given that the huffington post leans progressive, to those who argue that you empower him by speaking his language, you say no.
Well, I mean, we moved him into our entertainment section to try to make the point that this is not a serious person. Us moving him from one vertical to another, stunningly, you know, did not prevent his rise. Had the entire media landscape done the exact same thing, perhaps we wouldn't be where we are today with a maj...	well i mean we moved him into our entertainment section to try to make the point that this is. not a serious person us moving him from one, vertical to another stunningly you know did not prevent, his rise, had the entire media landscape done the exact same thing perhaps we wouldn't be where we are today with a major p...	Well I mean we moved him into. our entertainment section to try, to make the point that this is. not a serious person Us moving him, from one vertical to another stunningly you know did not prevent his rise Had the entire media landscape done the exact same thing perhaps we wouldn't be where we are today with a major p...	well, i mean, we moved him into our entertainment section to try to make the point that this is not a serious person. us moving him from one vertical to another, stunningly, you know, did not prevent his rise. had the entire media landscape done the exact same thing, perhaps we wouldn't be where we are today with a maj...
One misconception, I think, needs to be taken on is all of this is a sign of the weakness of the media, not the strength of the media. The media didn't create the Trump phenomenon, and the media won't stop the Trump phenomenon.	one misconception i think needs to be taken on is all of. this is, a sign of the weakness of the media not the, strength of the media, the media didn't create the trump phenomenon and the media; won't stop the trump	One misconception I think needs to be taken on is all of this is a sign of the weakness of the media not the strength of the media The media didn't create the Trump phenomenon and the media won't, stop the; Trump	one misconception, i think, needs to be taken on is all of this is a sign of the weakness of the media, not the strength of the media. the media didn't create the trump phenomenon, and the media won't stop the trump phenomenon.
Because - why do you say that - it's about the weakness of the media, not the strength?	because - why, do, you say that - it's about the weakness of the media not the	Because - why do you. say that - it's about the weakness of the media not the	because - why do you say that - it's about the weakness of the media, not the strength?
The weakness of the media - you see this all across the board - that the pressure on media to speak out more, to be more noticeable, to be louder, to put editorials on the front page - it's not a sign of the strength and commitment of the media. It's a sign of how hard it has become to get traction.	the weakness of the media - you see this all across the board - that the pressure on media to speak out more. to be more noticeable to be louder, to put editorials on the front page - it's, not a sign of the strength and commitment of the. media it's a sign of, how hard it has become to get	The. weakness of the media - you see, this, all across the board - that the pressure on media to speak out more to be more noticeable, to be louder to put editorials on the front page - it's not a sign of the strength and commitment of the media It's a sign of how hard, it has become to get	the weakness of the media - you see this all across the board - that the pressure on media to speak out more, to be more noticeable, to be louder, to put editorials on the front page - it's not a sign of the strength and commitment of the media. it's a sign of how hard it has become to get traction.
You know, I think it's a very important point that Michael's making. We are looking at a political environment in 2016 where we're dealing with a very fragmented society. And that, of course, is undermining faith in all institutions, including media institutions, as well as the two political parties. As Ryan correctly ...	you know i, think. it's a very important point that michael's making we are looking. at a political environment in 2016 where we're dealing with a very fragmented society and that of course is undermining faith in all institutions. including media, institutions as well as the two political parties as ryan correctly poi...	You know I; think it's, a very, important point that Michael's making We are looking at a political environment in 2016 where we're dealing with a very fragmented; society And that. of course is undermining faith in all institutions including media institutions as, well as the two political parties As. Ryan correctly p...	you know, i think it's a very important point that michael's making. we are looking at a political environment in 2016 where we're dealing with a very fragmented society. and that, of course, is undermining faith in all institutions, including media institutions, as well as the two political parties. as ryan correctly ...
We have to leave it there for now, so thank you all so much for participating. Susan Glasser is editor of POLITICO. Ryan Grim is Washington bureau chief of the Huffington Post. And NPR's own editorial director Michael Oreskes - senior vice president of news. They were all here with us in our Washington, D.C., studios. ...	we have to leave it there for now so thank you all. so much for participating susan glasser is editor of politico ryan grim is washington bureau chief of, the huffington post and npr's own editorial director michael oreskes - senior vice president of. news they were all here with, us. in our washington d.c., studios th...	We have to leave it there. for, now so thank you all so much for participating Susan Glasser is. editor of POLITICO Ryan Grim is Washington bureau chief of the Huffington Post, And NPR's own editorial director Michael Oreskes - senior vice president of news They were all. here with us in our Washington D.C., studios Th...	we have to leave it there for now, so thank you all so much for participating. susan glasser is editor of politico. ryan grim is washington bureau chief of the huffington post. and npr's own editorial director michael oreskes - senior vice president of news. they were all here with us in our washington, d.c., studios. ...
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Good morning. I'm Steve Inskeep with the story of a man who lost an election even though he was unopposed.	good morning i'm steve inskeep with the story of a man who lost an election even though he was.	Good morning I'm Steve Inskeep with the story of a. man who lost. an election even though he was.	good morning. i'm steve inskeep with the story of a man who lost an election even though he was unopposed.
And thank you for taking time to tell us about it, Dr. Tattersall.	and thank you for, taking time to tell us about it dr	And thank you for taking time to tell us, about it Dr.	and thank you for taking time to tell us about it, dr. tattersall.
And so the Schentrups have turned to activism. They're part of the advocacy group Stand With Parkland, started by the victims' families. They're pushing for changes nationwide - tougher school safety measures, better mental health screening and tighter gun laws.	and so the, schentrups have turned to activism they're part of the advocacy group, stand with parkland started by the victims' families they're pushing for changes nationwide, - tougher school safety measures better mental health screening and tighter gun	And so the Schentrups have turned to activism They're part of the advocacy group Stand With. Parkland started by the victims' families They're pushing for changes nationwide - tougher school safety measures better mental health screening and tighter gun.	and so the schentrups have turned to activism. they're part of the advocacy group stand with parkland, started by the victims' families. they're pushing for changes nationwide - tougher school safety measures, better mental health screening and tighter gun laws.
There's a lot of people who just want to argue the extremes - gun was the issue or mental health was the issue. It isn't an either or. It's a all of the above. And so we are going to keep advocating for the reasonable middle ground that most Americans can agree on to go get things done. If we choose to wait, there will...	there's a lot of people who just want to argue the extremes - gun was the issue or mental health was the issue it isn't an either or it's, a all of the above and so. we are going to keep advocating for the reasonable middle ground that most americans can agree on to go get things done if. we choose to wait there will j...	There's a. lot of people, who, just want to argue the extremes, - gun, was the issue or mental health was the issue It, isn't an either or It's a all of the above And so. we are going to keep advocating for the reasonable middle ground that most Americans can agree. on to go get things done If we choose to wait there w...	there's a lot of people who just want to argue the extremes - gun was the issue or mental health was the issue. it isn't an either or. it's a all of the above. and so we are going to keep advocating for the reasonable middle ground that most americans can agree on to go get things done. if we choose to wait, there will...
Their kids are involved, too. Last summer, their son Robert, who's in college, joined Evelyn on the "Road To Change" bus tour, registering new voters and talking about gun violence prevention. The Schentrups are settling into a new city, meeting new people. But April finds that the simplest questions can be the hardest...	their kids are involved too last summer their son robert who's in college, joined evelyn on the "road to change" bus tour registering. new, voters and talking about gun violence prevention the schentrups are settling into a new city meeting new people but. april finds, that. the simplest questions can be the hardest to...	Their kids are. involved too Last summer their son Robert who's in college joined Evelyn on the, "Road To, Change" bus tour registering new voters, and talking about gun violence prevention The Schentrups, are settling into a new city meeting new people But April finds that the simplest questions can be the hardest to ...	their kids are involved, too. last summer, their son robert, who's in college, joined evelyn on the "road to change" bus tour, registering new voters and talking about gun violence prevention. the schentrups are settling into a new city, meeting new people. but april finds that the simplest questions can be the hardest...
You know? You could say, Carmen's forever 16. But just when I said it, it didn't sound right. I think I even tried, I have one in college and, you know, one here with me and my other one is in heaven. But again, it just doesn't feel right. So I don't know. Still trying. I feel like if I don't mention her, it's just wro...	you know? you. could say carmen's forever 16. but just when i said it it didn't sound right i think i even. tried i have one in college and you know one here with me and my other one is in heaven but again it just doesn't feel right so i don't know still trying i feel like if i don't mention her it's just wrong	You know? You could say Carmen's forever 16. But just when I said it it didn't sound right I think I even tried I have one in college and you know one here with me and my other one is in heaven But. again it just doesn't feel right So; I, don't know. Still trying I feel like if I don't mention her it's just wrong	you know? you could say, carmen's forever 16. but just when i said it, it didn't sound right. i think i even tried, i have one in college and, you know, one here with me and my other one is in heaven. but again, it just doesn't feel right. so i don't know. still trying. i feel like if i don't mention her, it's just wro...
And there's this - the troubling sense their sharp individual loss has been swallowed up, overtaken by the post-Parkland movement. April finds when she tells people where they moved from...	and there's this - the troubling sense their sharp individual loss has been swallowed up overtaken by the post-parkland movement april finds when she tells people. where they moved	And there's this, - the troubling sense their sharp individual loss has been. swallowed up overtaken by; the post-Parkland movement April finds when she tells people where they. moved	and there's this - the troubling sense their sharp individual loss has been swallowed up, overtaken by the post-parkland movement. april finds when she tells people where they moved from...
They'll say, Parkland, Fla., where - "March For Our Lives," or, the Parkland activists? And I say, yup. That's Parkland, Fla. But I wonder, do they know the people that died? Do they know their names? And although I'm very thankful for "March For Our Lives" 'cause they spoke when we couldn't speak and I admire them, yo...	they'll say parkland fla., where - "march. for our lives" or the parkland activists? and i say yup that's parkland fla, but i wonder do they know. the people, that died? do they know their names? and although. i'm very thankful for "march for our, lives" 'cause they spoke when we couldn't speak and i admire them, you k...	They'll. say, Parkland. Fla., where. - "March For Our Lives" or the Parkland activists? And I say. yup That's Parkland Fla But I wonder do they know the people that died? Do they know their names? And although I'm very thankful for "March For Our Lives" 'cause they, spoke when we couldn't speak and I admire them you; k...	they'll say, parkland, fla., where - "march for our lives," or, the parkland activists? and i say, yup. that's parkland, fla. but i wonder, do they know the people that died? do they know their names? and although i'm very thankful for "march for our lives" 'cause they spoke when we couldn't speak and i admire them, yo...
This Thursday, one year after the shooting, the Schentrups will be at home, their new home, outside Seattle. Carmen's ashes are there in a metal urn. It's blue, her favorite color. The family has no special plans that day, just staying close.	this, thursday one year. after the shooting the schentrups will be at home their new, home outside seattle carmen's. ashes are there in a metal urn it's blue her favorite color the. family has no, special plans that day just staying	This Thursday one year after the shooting the Schentrups will be at home their new home outside Seattle Carmen's ashes are there in a metal urn It's, blue her favorite color The family has no special plans that day just staying	this thursday, one year after the shooting, the schentrups will be at home, their new home, outside seattle. carmen's ashes are there in a metal urn. it's blue, her favorite color. the family has no special plans that day, just staying close.