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Well do you believe that it's safe, even though you're not a scientist? | well do you believe that it's safe even though you're not. a. | Well do you, believe that it's safe even though. you're not a | well do you believe that it's safe, even though you're not a scientist? |
I would want to see, in all honesty, I would want to see what the testings say. Because I'm not that scientist, it's hard for me to say whether it is or whether it isn't. I know what the perception of the people is, you know, because I've had a lot of calls from all over the United States. And that's a scary thing beca... | i would want to see in all honesty, i would want to see. what the testings say because i'm not that scientist it's hard for me to, say whether it is, or whether it isn't i know what the perception of the, people is you know because, i've had a lot of calls from all. over the united, states and; that's a scary thing bec... | I would want to see in all honesty I would want to see what the. testings say Because I'm not that scientist it's hard for me to, say whether it is, or whether it isn't I know what the perception of the people is you know because I've had a lot of calls from all over the United States And that's, a scary thing, because... | i would want to see, in all honesty, i would want to see what the testings say. because i'm not that scientist, it's hard for me to say whether it is or whether it isn't. i know what the perception of the people is, you know, because i've had a lot of calls from all over the united states. and that's a scary thing beca... |
Let me interrupt you because there are some calls that are coming in, and people really want to know this and they're not sure who they can trust. We have George(ph) on the line from Panama City, Florida. George, welcome to TALK OF THE NATION. | let me. interrupt you because there; are some calls, that, are coming in. and people, really want to know this and they're not sure. who they can trust we have george(ph) on the line from panama city florida george welcome, to talk of. the | Let me interrupt. you because there are some. calls that are coming in and people really want to know this and they're not sure who they can trust We have, George(ph) on the line from Panama. City Florida George welcome. to TALK OF THE | let me interrupt you because there are some calls that are coming in, and people really want to know this and they're not sure who they can trust. we have george(ph) on the line from panama city, florida. george, welcome to talk of the nation. |
Hi, thank you for taking my call. | hi, thank you for, taking my | Hi thank you for taking my | hi, thank you for taking my call. |
You're welcome. Your comment. | you're welcome your | You're welcome Your, | you're welcome. your comment. |
Oh, well, I can tell you that the beaches and waters from Panama City east of here, are clean, and that includes the Apalachicola Bay, where a great deal of the oysters from this - from the Gulf come from. And I eat seafood every day, almost every day, and - at least three times a week from the Gulf of Mexico. And I do... | oh well i can tell you that the beaches and waters from panama city east of here. are clean and that; includes the apalachicola bay where, a great deal of the oysters from this - from the gulf come from and i eat seafood every day almost, every day and - at least three times a, week from the gulf of mexico. and i do no... | Oh well I can tell you, that the beaches and waters from. Panama City east of here are clean and that includes the Apalachicola Bay where; a great deal of the oysters from this - from the Gulf come from And I eat seafood every day almost every day and - at. least three, times a week from the Gulf of Mexico And I do not... | oh, well, i can tell you that the beaches and waters from panama city east of here, are clean, and that includes the apalachicola bay, where a great deal of the oysters from this - from the gulf come from. and i eat seafood every day, almost every day, and - at least three times a week from the gulf of mexico. and i do... |
Well, thank you. That's good to know. Let me - before you respond to that, let me ask you, Kim - let me read this email from another person, then we can talk about that. This comes from Mexico, actually, from Bobby(ph). What happens to the catches that are not allowed for human consumption? Are they being used for anim... | well thank you that's good to know let. me - before you respond to that let. me ask you. kim - let me read this email from another person then we can talk about that this comes from mexico actually from bobby(ph). what happens to the catches that are not. allowed for human consumption? are they being used for animal fo... | Well thank you That's good to know Let. me - before. you respond to that let me ask you Kim - let, me. read this, email from another person then. we can talk about that This comes from Mexico actually from Bobby(ph). What happens to the catches that are not allowed for human consumption? Are they being used for. animal... | well, thank you. that's good to know. let me - before you respond to that, let me ask you, kim - let me read this email from another person, then we can talk about that. this comes from mexico, actually, from bobby(ph). what happens to the catches that are not allowed for human consumption? are they being used for anim... |
Do you know the answer to that? | do you know the answer to | Do. you know the answer to. | do you know the answer to that? |
The catches that are not allowed? | the catches that are. not, | The catches, that are not | the catches that are not allowed? |
Yes, what happens to them? | yes what happens; to | Yes what happens to | yes, what happens to them? |
To my knowledge, the catches - the fishermen aren't going to fish where they're not allowed to be at. So as far as the catches that are not allowed, that I haven't heard of. I mean, all of our fishermen are not even out there trawling anymore. So therefore, like, you know, our dock is pretty much dead. We don't even ha... | to my knowledge the catches; - the fishermen aren't going to, fish where they're not allowed to be at so as far as, the catches that are not allowed that; i haven't heard of i mean all of our fishermen are not even out there, trawling anymore so therefore like, you know, our dock. is pretty much dead we don't even have... | To my knowledge the catches, - the fishermen aren't going to fish where they're. not allowed. to be at So. as far as the catches that, are not allowed that I haven't heard of I mean all of our fishermen are not even out there trawling anymore So therefore like. you know, our dock. is pretty much dead, We don't even hav... | to my knowledge, the catches - the fishermen aren't going to fish where they're not allowed to be at. so as far as the catches that are not allowed, that i haven't heard of. i mean, all of our fishermen are not even out there trawling anymore. so therefore, like, you know, our dock is pretty much dead. we don't even ha... |
At that time, you know, then we'll have another meeting here, probably with NOAA and EPA and get an understanding of what those tests show and what it means for the consumer and what it means for us as businesspeople. | at that. time you know then we'll, have another meeting here probably with noaa and epa and get an understanding of what those tests show, and what it means for the. consumer and what it means for us as | At that time you know then we'll have another meeting here probably with NOAA. and EPA and get an understanding of what those, tests show and what it means for the consumer and what it, means for us as | at that time, you know, then we'll have another meeting here, probably with noaa and epa and get an understanding of what those tests show and what it means for the consumer and what it means for us as businesspeople. |
Now, you're in Houma, correct? That's the name of the community? | now you're in houma correct? that's the name of the | Now you're in Houma correct? That's. the name of the | now, you're in houma, correct? that's the name of the community? |
I'm in Chauvin. | i'm in | I'm in | i'm in chauvin. |
Now, am I a little upset with BP because they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing as far as claims? Well, yeah, because this all rides on their back and we're getting a lot of mixed signals from BP now that the well's capped or - their terms of being, you know, temporarily capped. It's a whole different ball... | now am, i a little upset with bp because they're not doing what. they're supposed to be doing as far as. claims? well yeah because; this all rides on their back and we're. getting a lot; of mixed signals from bp now; that the well's, capped or - their terms of being you know temporarily capped it's a whole different ba... | Now am I a little upset with BP because. they're not doing what they're supposed. to; be doing as far as claims? Well yeah because this all rides on their back and we're getting a lot, of mixed signals from BP now that the well's capped or. - their terms of being you know temporarily capped It's a whole; different ball... | now, am i a little upset with bp because they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing as far as claims? well, yeah, because this all rides on their back and we're getting a lot of mixed signals from bp now that the well's capped or - their terms of being, you know, temporarily capped. it's a whole different ball... |
Well, it's unfortunately that we have to end the story on that sour note. I appreciate your coming on, though. Thank you very much, Kim... | well it's unfortunately that we have to end the, story on that sour note i appreciate your coming on though thank. you very much | Well it's unfortunately that we have to end the, story on that. sour note I appreciate your coming on, though Thank you very much | well, it's unfortunately that we have to end the story on that sour note. i appreciate your coming on, though. thank you very much, kim... |
Okay. | okay. | ||
...for taking the time and to talk with us. Good luck. She joined us by phone from her office in Louisiana. | ...for taking the time and to talk with us. good luck she joined; us by phone from her office in | ...for taking the time and to talk with. us Good luck She. joined us. by phone from her office in | ...for taking the time and to talk with us. good luck. she joined us by phone from her office in louisiana. |
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In 2008, researchers excavating in a cave in Siberia found a tiny, human finger bone, and they probably think it's probably a child's pinkie, about 40,000 -40,000 years old. | in 2008, researchers; excavating in a cave in, siberia found a tiny human finger, bone and they probably think it's probably a child's. pinkie about 40,000 -40,000 years | In 2008, researchers excavating in a cave in Siberia found, a tiny human finger bone and they probably think it's probably a child's pinkie about 40,000 -40,000 years | in 2008, researchers excavating in a cave in siberia found a tiny, human finger bone, and they probably think it's probably a child's pinkie, about 40,000 -40,000 years old. |
And writing this week in the journal Nature, a team of researchers reports that it's analyzed the DNA found in the finger, and they analyzed the mitochondrial DNA, that's the kind that can trace maternal relationships through the years. And what they found, really, was a surprise. They found that the finger bone, the D... | and writing this week. in the, journal nature a team of researchers reports that it's analyzed, the dna found in the finger and they, analyzed the mitochondrial. dna that's the kind that can trace, maternal relationships through the years and what they found really. was a. surprise they found that the finger bone; the ... | And. writing this, week. in the journal Nature a. team of researchers reports that it's analyzed the DNA found in the finger and they analyzed the mitochondrial DNA that's the, kind that can trace maternal relationships through, the years And what they found really was a surprise They found that the finger bone; the DN... | and writing this week in the journal nature, a team of researchers reports that it's analyzed the dna found in the finger, and they analyzed the mitochondrial dna, that's the kind that can trace maternal relationships through the years. and what they found, really, was a surprise. they found that the finger bone, the d... |
In fact, the DNA evidence suggests that this hominid may represent a whole separate branch of the human family tree. And joining me now to talk about it, help put this find in context, is Ian Tattersall. He is curator of anthropology at the American Museum of Natural History in New York, and author of several books, in... | in fact the dna evidence suggests that this hominid may represent a whole separate branch of the human family tree and joining me now to, talk about it help put this find in, context is ian tattersall he is, curator. of anthropology at the american museum of natural history in, new york and author of several books incl... | In fact the. DNA evidence suggests that this hominid may. represent a whole separate branch of the human family tree And joining me now to talk about it help put this find in context is Ian Tattersall, He is curator of anthropology at the, American Museum of Natural History in New York and author of several books. incl... | in fact, the dna evidence suggests that this hominid may represent a whole separate branch of the human family tree. and joining me now to talk about it, help put this find in context, is ian tattersall. he is curator of anthropology at the american museum of natural history in new york, and author of several books, in... |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
How significant is this finding? Give us a perspective on what it does. | how, significant. is this finding? give us a perspective on what it. | How significant is this finding? Give us a perspective on, what it | how significant is this finding? give us a perspective on what it does. |
Well, this really a wonderful find, although I think what I describe it as is more unexpected than as being really surprising. | well this really a wonderful find although i think. what i. describe it as is more unexpected than as being really | Well this really, a wonderful find although I. think what I describe it; as; is more. unexpected than as being really; | well, this really a wonderful find, although i think what i describe it as is more unexpected than as being really surprising. |
Okay. | okay. | ||
Unexpected because this - it comes from Siberia, southern Siberia, which is a part of the world that's very poorly known from the point of view of archeology and the search for early hominids - but not really surprising, because we already know that there were multiple lineages of hominids living in various parts of th... | unexpected because this - it comes from siberia southern siberia which is a part of the world. that's very poorly; known from. the. point of view of archeology and the search for early hominids - but, not. really, surprising because we, already know that, there were multiple lineages of hominids living in various parts... | Unexpected because this - it, comes from Siberia southern Siberia which, is a part of the. world that's very poorly known from the point of view of archeology and the search for early hominids - but not; really, surprising because we already know that there were multiple lineages of hominids living in various parts of ... | unexpected because this - it comes from siberia, southern siberia, which is a part of the world that's very poorly known from the point of view of archeology and the search for early hominids - but not really surprising, because we already know that there were multiple lineages of hominids living in various parts of th... |
And so what does this do? Does it say that there might have been lots of different human-like species living at the same time in different parts of the world? | and, so what does this do? does it say that there might have been lots of different. human-like species living at the same time, in different parts of the, | And so what does this do? Does it say that there might have been lots of different human-like, species living at the same time. in different parts of the | and so what does this do? does it say that there might have been lots of different human-like species living at the same time in different parts of the world? |
It does indeed. It reinforces the very strong signal we've been getting from the fossil record that the evolutionary history of humans has been sort of one of experimentation, of producing multiple species that succeeded or failed in the ecological arena, rather than a single, slow progression from primitiveness to per... | it does indeed it reinforces the very strong signal we've been getting from the fossil record that, the evolutionary history of. humans; has been sort of one of experimentation of; producing multiple species that succeeded or failed in the ecological arena. rather than a, single slow. progression from primitiveness to.... | It does indeed It reinforces the very strong, signal we've been getting from the fossil record that the evolutionary history of humans has been sort of one, of experimentation of producing multiple species that succeeded or failed in the ecological arena rather than. a single. slow progression from primitiveness, to | it does indeed. it reinforces the very strong signal we've been getting from the fossil record that the evolutionary history of humans has been sort of one of experimentation, of producing multiple species that succeeded or failed in the ecological arena, rather than a single, slow progression from primitiveness to per... |
And so what we're saying here, if I hear you correctly, and what the article is saying is that whatever group this hominid of hominid that this finger belongs to seems to have migrated out of Africa at a different time than Homo erectus or Neanderthal. | and. so what we're saying here if i hear you correctly and what the article is saying is that whatever group this hominid of hominid that this finger belongs to seems to, have migrated out of africa at a different time than homo erectus or | And so what we're saying here if I hear, you correctly and what. the article is saying is that whatever group, this hominid of hominid that this; finger belongs to. seems to have, migrated out of Africa at a different time than Homo erectus. or | and so what we're saying here, if i hear you correctly, and what the article is saying is that whatever group this hominid of hominid that this finger belongs to seems to have migrated out of africa at a different time than homo erectus or neanderthal. |
Yeah, I think that is certainly the implication of the age that they've derived for the split-point between this hominid and the one that led to us. | yeah i think that is. certainly the implication of the age that they've derived for the split-point between this hominid. and the one that led to | Yeah I think. that is. certainly the implication of. the age that. they've derived for the split-point between this hominid and, the one that led to, | yeah, i think that is certainly the implication of the age that they've derived for the split-point between this hominid and the one that led to us. |
And the fact that it was living in Siberia, does that mean it had to really put up with some terribly cold weather? | and. the fact that. it was living, in siberia does, that mean it had to really put up with some terribly cold | And the fact that it was living in Siberia does that, mean it had to, really. put. up with some terribly; cold | and the fact that it was living in siberia, does that mean it had to really put up with some terribly cold weather? |
Well, it did. I mean, it was living not that long before the peak of the last ice age, and it would have been, you know, a fairly marginal environment for any hominids; although our own ancestors, by about 20,000 years ago, when the environment was coldest, had actually got all the way up to the Arctic Circle. | well it did i mean it was living, not that long before the peak of the last ice age and it would have been you know a fairly marginal environment for; any hominids although, our. own ancestors by about 20,000 years ago when the environment was coldest had actually got all the way up to the arctic | Well it did I mean it was living not that long before the peak of the last ice age. and it would have been, you know a fairly marginal environment for any hominids although our own. ancestors by about 20,000 years ago when the environment was coldest had actually got all the way up to the Arctic | well, it did. i mean, it was living not that long before the peak of the last ice age, and it would have been, you know, a fairly marginal environment for any hominids; although our own ancestors, by about 20,000 years ago, when the environment was coldest, had actually got all the way up to the arctic circle. |
1-800-989-8255 is our number. You can also send us a tweet @scifri, that's @-S-C-I-F-R-I. Is that really, is one bone enough to change our views and say there's possibly a new species, or do we have to wait for a few more bones to be discovered? | 1-800-989-8255 is our number you can also send us a tweet @scifri that's @-s-c-i-f-r-i is. that really is one bone enough to change our views and, say there's possibly a new species or do we have. to wait for a few more bones to be | 1-800-989-8255 is our number You can also, send us a tweet, @scifri that's @-S-C-I-F-R-I. Is that really is one bone enough to, change our views and. say there's possibly, a new species or, do we have to wait for a few more bones. to, be | 1-800-989-8255 is our number. you can also send us a tweet @scifri, that's @-s-c-i-f-r-i. is that really, is one bone enough to change our views and say there's possibly a new species, or do we have to wait for a few more bones to be discovered? |
Well, I think the signal that they're getting from the genome, the mitochondrial genome of this individual, seems to be pretty clear. Whether it's a new species that we don't know about is another question because we only have genomes from Neanderthals and from ourselves, modern Homo sapiens. | well i think the signal that, they're getting from the genome the, mitochondrial genome, of. this individual seems to be pretty clear whether it's a new species; that. we don't know about is, another question because we only have genomes from neanderthals and from ourselves modern homo | Well I think the, signal. that they're getting from; the genome the, mitochondrial genome of this individual seems to be pretty clear Whether, it's a new species that we; don't know. about is another question because we, only have. genomes from Neanderthals and from ourselves modern Homo | well, i think the signal that they're getting from the genome, the mitochondrial genome of this individual, seems to be pretty clear. whether it's a new species that we don't know about is another question because we only have genomes from neanderthals and from ourselves, modern homo sapiens. |
We don't have them yet from any other hominid that we know, but we do know a lot of fossil hominids. So it's possible that this finger bone, which is not really by itself diagnostic to any particular species, might actually belong to a species or at least a group that we already know in the fossil record. | we, don't have them yet; from any other hominid that we know but we do know a lot of fossil hominids so it's possible that this, finger bone which. is not really by itself diagnostic to any particular species might actually belong to, a species or at, least a group that we already know in the fossil | We don't have them yet from any other hominid that we know, but we do, know a lot of fossil hominids So it's possible; that this finger bone which is not really by itself diagnostic to any particular species might actually belong to a species or at least a group that we already, know in the fossil | we don't have them yet from any other hominid that we know, but we do know a lot of fossil hominids. so it's possible that this finger bone, which is not really by itself diagnostic to any particular species, might actually belong to a species or at least a group that we already know in the fossil record. |
Oh, because we have no other DNA to compare it to? | oh, because we have no other dna to compare it | Oh. because we have no other, DNA to compare, it. | oh, because we have no other dna to compare it to? |
That's exactly right, yes. | that's exactly right | That's exactly right | that's exactly right, yes. |
Is it possible to get more DNA from other species that we're looking to compare it to? | is it possible to get more dna from other species that we're looking to compare it | Is it possible, to get more DNA from other species that we're looking to compare it | is it possible to get more dna from other species that we're looking to compare it to? |
Maybe it would mean a suspension of those tariffs in October. Maybe it would mean China buying some more farm goods. Dollar, however, is not optimistic that we're going to see the kind of big, sweeping agreement that would address intellectual property protection - that sort of thing, the kind of issues that the presid... | maybe it would mean. a suspension of those, tariffs in october maybe. it would mean china buying some more farm goods dollar however is not optimistic that we're. going to. see the kind. of big sweeping agreement that would address intellectual property protection - that sort of thing the kind of issues that the presid... | Maybe it would mean a suspension of. those tariffs in October Maybe it would, mean China buying some more farm goods Dollar however is not optimistic that we're going to see the kind of, big sweeping agreement that would address intellectual property protection - that sort of thing the, kind of issues that the presiden... | maybe it would mean a suspension of those tariffs in october. maybe it would mean china buying some more farm goods. dollar, however, is not optimistic that we're going to see the kind of big, sweeping agreement that would address intellectual property protection - that sort of thing, the kind of issues that the presid... |
I think the best we can hope for at this point is a minideal. But the real, ultimate deal that both sides are looking for - seems the two sides are far apart for that kind of comprehensive agreement. | i think the best we, can hope for at; this point is a minideal but the real ultimate deal that both sides are looking for - seems the two sides are. far apart for that kind of comprehensive | I think the best we can hope for; at this point is a minideal. But the real ultimate deal that both sides are looking for - seems the two sides are far apart for, that kind of comprehensive | i think the best we can hope for at this point is a minideal. but the real, ultimate deal that both sides are looking for - seems the two sides are far apart for that kind of comprehensive agreement. |
And, Ailsa, the next round of talks is set to get underway early next month. | and ailsa the, next round of talks is set to get underway early next, | And Ailsa the next round of talks is set to get underway early next | and, ailsa, the next round of talks is set to get underway early next month. |
OK. That's NPR's Scott Horsley. | ok that's npr's scott | OK That's NPR's Scott | ok. that's npr's scott horsley. |
Thanks, Scott. | thanks | Thanks | thanks, scott. |
You're welcome. | you're | You're | you're welcome. |
This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Neal Conan in Washington. Another promising report today suggests that the economy in general and employment in particular continue to improve, but there's another statistic that's more troubling. More Americans than ever participate in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, comm... | this is talk of the nation i'm neal conan in washington another, promising report today suggests that the economy in general and employment in. particular continue to improve but there's another statistic that's more troubling more americans than ever participate in the supplemental. nutrition assistance program common... | This is TALK OF THE. NATION I'm, Neal, Conan in Washington Another promising report today suggests that the, economy in general and employment in particular continue to improve but, there's another statistic that's. more troubling More Americans than ever, participate in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, c... | this is talk of the nation. i'm neal conan in washington. another promising report today suggests that the economy in general and employment in particular continue to improve, but there's another statistic that's more troubling. more americans than ever participate in the supplemental nutrition assistance program, comm... |
Eligibility is based on income, and 47 million people have made the often wrenching decision to take help from the government to put food on the table. Millions more qualify, but they may not know they're eligible, they may be embarrassed, or they may not want to accept government help. | eligibility is based, on income and 47 million people have made the often wrenching decision; to take help from the government to put food on the table millions more qualify but they may not know. they're eligible they may be embarrassed or they may not want to, accept government | Eligibility is. based on income and 47 million people have made the often wrenching decision to take help from the government to put food on the, table. Millions more qualify but they may not know they're eligible they may be embarrassed. or they may, not want to accept government, | eligibility is based on income, and 47 million people have made the often wrenching decision to take help from the government to put food on the table. millions more qualify, but they may not know they're eligible, they may be embarrassed, or they may not want to accept government help. |
We want to hear your stories today. If you get food stamps, if you're thinking about it, call and tell us about your decision, 800-989-8255. Email us, talk@npr.org. You can also join the conversation on our website. That's at npr.org. Click on TALK OF THE NATION. Later in the program, an unusual path to the National In... | we want to hear your stories today if you get food stamps if you're thinking about it call and tell us about your; decision 800-989-8255. email us talk@npr.org. you can also. join the conversation on our website that's at npr.org click on talk of the nation later in the program an unusual path to the national inventors... | We want. to hear your stories today, If you, get food stamps; if you're, thinking about it call and tell us about your decision 800-989-8255. Email us talk@npr.org You can also join the conversation on our website That's at npr.org Click on TALK OF THE NATION Later in the program an. unusual path to the National Invent... | we want to hear your stories today. if you get food stamps, if you're thinking about it, call and tell us about your decision, 800-989-8255. email us, talk@npr.org. you can also join the conversation on our website. that's at npr.org. click on talk of the nation. later in the program, an unusual path to the national in... |
But let's start with food stamps and go to the phones, and this is JT(ph) with us from Janesville, Wisconsin. | but let's, start with food stamps and go to the, phones and, this is jt(ph) with us from janesville | But let's start with food stamps; and go to the phones and this. is JT(ph) with, us from Janesville | but let's start with food stamps and go to the phones, and this is jt(ph) with us from janesville, wisconsin. |
Hi Neal. | hi | Hi | hi neal. |
Hi, you're on the air, go ahead. | hi you're on the, air go | Hi you're on the air go | hi, you're on the air, go ahead. |
Hi, yeah, when I was in my 20s, I was working poor and was too proud to get food stamps, and it was hard. Now I'm in my 30s, and I have a wife and a baby, and we enrolled in Wisconsin's stamp program, and I'm very grateful for it. | hi yeah when i was in. my 20s i was working. poor. and was too proud to get food stamps and it was hard now i'm in my 30s and i have a. wife and a baby and we enrolled in, wisconsin's stamp program and i'm very grateful for | Hi, yeah when I was in my 20s I was working poor and was too proud to get food stamps and it was, hard Now I'm in my 30s and I have; a wife and a baby and we enrolled in Wisconsin's stamp program and, I'm very grateful for | hi, yeah, when i was in my 20s, i was working poor and was too proud to get food stamps, and it was hard. now i'm in my 30s, and i have a wife and a baby, and we enrolled in wisconsin's stamp program, and i'm very grateful for it. |
And the difference is that child I suspect? | and the difference. is, that child i | And the difference. is that child I | and the difference is that child i suspect? |
The child, and also I'm not as proud as I was in my 20s. | the child and also; i'm not as proud as i was in my | The child and also I'm, not as proud as, I was in my | the child, and also i'm not as proud as i was in my 20s. |
Though was it a difficult decision when you thought about it? | though was it a difficult decision when. you thought, about | Though was it, a. difficult decision. when you; thought about | though was it a difficult decision when you thought about it? |
No, no, because of the child. It's good for my family. We're able to eat nutritious food that we wouldn't be able to afford otherwise, and I just want to give my son a heads-up. | no no because of the child it's good for my family we're able to eat nutritious food that we wouldn't be able to. afford otherwise and i just want to give my son a | No no because of the child, It's good for my, family We're able to eat nutritious food that we wouldn't be able to afford otherwise and. I just want to give my son a | no, no, because of the child. it's good for my family. we're able to eat nutritious food that we wouldn't be able to afford otherwise, and i just want to give my son a heads-up. |
And the other - there's no sense of stigma attached to it anymore? | and, the other - there's no sense of stigma attached to it | And the other - there's no sense of, stigma attached. to it | and the other - there's no sense of stigma attached to it anymore? |
No, I'm not ashamed of it at all. | no i'm not ashamed of. it at | No I'm; not ashamed of it. at, | no, i'm not ashamed of it at all. |
All right, and as you go ahead, do you have any advice for those who might be concerned that, well, people are going to notice this? | all right and as you go ahead. do you have any advice for those who might be concerned; that well people are going to notice. | All right and. as you go ahead do you have any advice for those who might be concerned that well people are going to; notice | all right, and as you go ahead, do you have any advice for those who might be concerned that, well, people are going to notice this? |
You know, if you need it, if your family's hungry, then the service is there. You work; it's not an unearned benefit. You work for this. You pay your taxes for this program. | you know if you need it if your family's hungry then the service is there you work it's not an unearned benefit you, work for this you pay your; taxes for this | You know if you need it if your family's hungry then the service is; there You work it's not an unearned benefit You work for this You pay your taxes for, this, | you know, if you need it, if your family's hungry, then the service is there. you work; it's not an unearned benefit. you work for this. you pay your taxes for this program. |
And you're working? | and, you're | And you're | and you're working? |
I do work, yes. | i do work | I do work | i do work, yes. |
And so you still qualify for SNAP? | and so you still qualify for | And so you still qualify for | and so you still qualify for snap? |
I do still, yes. | i do still | I do still, | i do still, yes. |
It's amazing how many jobs you can have and still qualify for food stamps. | it's amazing how many jobs you; can have. and still qualify for food | It's amazing how many jobs you can. have and, still qualify for food | it's amazing how many jobs you can have and still qualify for food stamps. |
Very true. | very | Very | very true. |
All right, good luck to you, JT, and we hope that you earn way too much for food stamps pretty soon. | all right good luck to you jt and we hope that you earn way too much. for food stamps pretty | All right good. luck; to you JT and we hope that you earn. way too much for food stamps pretty | all right, good luck to you, jt, and we hope that you earn way too much for food stamps pretty soon. |
(LAUGHTER) | (laughter) | ||
Right on. Thank you, Neal, love the show. | right on thank you neal love the | Right on Thank you Neal love; the | right on. thank you, neal, love the show. |
Thanks very much. Joining us now is Krissy Clark, a senior reporter for Marketplace's Wealth and Poverty desk. She's with us from Marketplace studios in Los Angeles. Good of you to be with us. | thanks, very much joining us now is krissy clark a. senior reporter for marketplace's wealth and poverty. desk she's with us. from marketplace. studios in. los. angeles good of you to be with | Thanks very much Joining us now is Krissy, Clark a senior reporter for Marketplace's Wealth and Poverty desk She's with us from Marketplace studios in Los Angeles Good of you. to be with | thanks very much. joining us now is krissy clark, a senior reporter for marketplace's wealth and poverty desk. she's with us from marketplace studios in los angeles. good of you to be with us. |
Nice to be here, Neal. | nice to be here. | Nice to, be, here | nice to be here, neal. |
And I wanted to ask you about those statistics. The number of people like JT who have been signing up for food stamps, for SNAP, it's been exploding these last few years. | and i wanted to ask you about those statistics the number of; people like jt who have been signing up for food, stamps for snap it's been exploding these last few | And I wanted to ask. you about, those statistics The number of people like JT who have been signing, up for food stamps for SNAP it's been exploding these last few | and i wanted to ask you about those statistics. the number of people like jt who have been signing up for food stamps, for snap, it's been exploding these last few years. |
It has. You know, to give you a sense of it, the food stamps have been rising since the early 2000s, but then even rising faster since the great recession in 2008. And there's a lot of economic and policy forces at work here, which we should get to. But just to give you a sense of the growth first, so there's been a lo... | it has. you know to. give you a sense of it the food stamps have been rising since the early 2000s, but. then. even rising faster since the great recession in 2008. and there's a lot; of economic and policy forces at work here which we should get to but just to give you a sense of, the growth first, so there's been a l... | It has You know to give you, a sense of it the food stamps have been rising since the early 2000s but then, even rising faster since the great recession, in 2008. And there's a lot of. economic and policy. forces at work here which. we should get to But just to give you a sense of the growth first so there's been a lot... | it has. you know, to give you a sense of it, the food stamps have been rising since the early 2000s, but then even rising faster since the great recession in 2008. and there's a lot of economic and policy forces at work here, which we should get to. but just to give you a sense of the growth first, so there's been a lo... |
I think it's helpful to get a longer perspective. In 1975, eight percent of all Americans received government-paid food assistance. Up through the '90s, that level hovered between about eight percent and 11 percent. Then in the '90s there was a really steep decline, down to about six percent. But starting in the early ... | i, think it's helpful to get a; longer perspective in 1975, eight percent of; all americans received government-paid food assistance up through the '90s that level hovered between about eight percent and. 11 percent then in the '90s there was a really steep decline, down to about six percent but starting in; the early;... | I think it's helpful to. get a longer perspective In 1975, eight percent; of all Americans received government-paid food assistance Up through the, '90s that level hovered between about eight percent and 11 percent Then in the, '90s there was a really steep, decline down to about six percent But starting in the early 2... | i think it's helpful to get a longer perspective. in 1975, eight percent of all americans received government-paid food assistance. up through the '90s, that level hovered between about eight percent and 11 percent. then in the '90s there was a really steep decline, down to about six percent. but starting in the early ... |
And now food stamp use is up to unprecedented levels. Almost 15 percent of Americans are on SNAP, or about one in seven people. | and now food stamp use is. up to unprecedented levels almost 15 percent of americans are on snap or about one in seven | And. now food stamp use is up to unprecedented levels. Almost 15 percent of Americans are on SNAP or about one in seven | and now food stamp use is up to unprecedented levels. almost 15 percent of americans are on snap, or about one in seven people. |
Now you talked about both policy and economic reasons. The economy, it's been bad. | now you talked about both policy and economic reasons the economy it's been | Now, you talked about both policy and economic reasons The economy it's been | now you talked about both policy and economic reasons. the economy, it's been bad. |
Right, exactly, and that's what had some people scratching their heads a little bit recently because now, you know, in the last few years, the economy has kind of started to improve, and unemployment is starting to decline, and yet the growth in food stamp use doesn't seem to be yet. | right exactly and, that's what had; some people scratching their heads a little, bit. recently because. now you know in the last few years the economy has kind of started to improve and, unemployment is starting to decline and yet the growth in food stamp use doesn't seem to be | Right exactly and that's what. had, some people scratching their heads a little bit recently because now you, know in the last few. years the economy has kind of started to improve and unemployment is starting to decline and yet the growth in. food stamp use doesn't. seem to be | right, exactly, and that's what had some people scratching their heads a little bit recently because now, you know, in the last few years, the economy has kind of started to improve, and unemployment is starting to decline, and yet the growth in food stamp use doesn't seem to be yet. |
And so there's a lot of pontificating and trying to figure out exactly why that - why those things aren't sort of going in line right now. | and so there's a lot of pontificating and trying to figure out exactly why; that - why those things aren't sort of going. in line right | And so there's a lot of pontificating and trying to figure out exactly why that - why those things aren't sort of going in line, right | and so there's a lot of pontificating and trying to figure out exactly why that - why those things aren't sort of going in line right now. |
And the policy reasons? | and the policy | And the policy | and the policy reasons? |
So there's some - so on the policy side, you know, it really started actually in the Bush administration, and then it's continued into the Obama administration. Since the early 2000s, food stamps have become a lot easier to apply for, they've been available to more people, and they have a lot less stigma. | so there's some - so on the policy side you know it really started actually in the bush, administration and; then it's continued into. the obama administration since the early 2000s food stamps have become, a lot, easier to, apply for they've been available to more people and they have a lot less | So there's. some - so on the policy side you. know it really started, actually in the Bush administration and; then it's continued into the Obama administration Since the early. 2000s food stamps have become a. lot easier to apply for, they've been. available to more people and they have a lot less | so there's some - so on the policy side, you know, it really started actually in the bush administration, and then it's continued into the obama administration. since the early 2000s, food stamps have become a lot easier to apply for, they've been available to more people, and they have a lot less stigma. |
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Western companies don't always have the best experiences in investing in Russia, partnering with Russian firms. A lot of critics in the United States suggest it's not the best idea to invest in Russia. Where do you see this deal going, and why is Exxon-Mobile taking this risk? | western companies don't always have the best experiences in investing in russia partnering with russian firms a lot of critics in the, united states suggest it's not the best idea to invest in russia; where do you see this deal going and why is exxon-mobile taking this | Western companies don't always have the best experiences in investing in Russia partnering with Russian firms A lot of critics in the United States suggest it's not the best idea to invest, in Russia Where do you see this deal going. and why is Exxon-Mobile, taking this | western companies don't always have the best experiences in investing in russia, partnering with russian firms. a lot of critics in the united states suggest it's not the best idea to invest in russia. where do you see this deal going, and why is exxon-mobile taking this risk? |
I think Exxon-Mobile is taking this risk because it doesn't really have many options left. Many of the world's oil wells have already been explored, or are being explored. This is one of the few places left in the world that's really untapped and unexplored. | i think, exxon-mobile is taking this risk because it doesn't really have many options; left. many; of the world's oil wells have already been explored. or are being explored this is one of the few places left, in the world that's really untapped and | I think Exxon-Mobile is taking this risk because. it doesn't. really have many options left Many of the world's oil wells have already been. explored or are, being explored This, is one of the few places left in the world that's really untapped and | i think exxon-mobile is taking this risk because it doesn't really have many options left. many of the world's oil wells have already been explored, or are being explored. this is one of the few places left in the world that's really untapped and unexplored. |
Russia, for its part, was feeling kind of on top of the world in the middle of the last decade. Right now, Siberian oil fields are in decline, and an increasing part of the Russian budget, federal budget, is dependent on oil revenues. So it's kind of also in a place that it needs Western expertise if it wants to get ac... | russia for its part was feeling kind of on, top of the world in the middle of the last decade, right now siberian oil fields are in, decline and an increasing part of the, russian budget federal budget is dependent on oil; revenues so it's kind of, also in a place that it needs western expertise if it wants to get acce... | Russia for its part was feeling kind of on. top, of the world in the. middle, of the last decade Right now Siberian oil fields are in decline and an increasing part of the Russian budget federal budget is dependent, on. oil revenues So it's, kind of also, in a place; that it needs Western expertise, if it wants to get ... | russia, for its part, was feeling kind of on top of the world in the middle of the last decade. right now, siberian oil fields are in decline, and an increasing part of the russian budget, federal budget, is dependent on oil revenues. so it's kind of also in a place that it needs western expertise if it wants to get ac... |
And as you say, oil critical to the Russian economy. Vladimir Putin, the prime minister, makes this announcement, not President Dmitry Medvedev. There's a presidential election next year. Are politics at play here, that Putin comes out and makes a big deal of this? | and as you say oil critical; to the russian economy, vladimir putin the prime minister makes this announcement not president dmitry medvedev there's a presidential election next year are politics, at play, here that, putin comes out and makes a big deal of | And as; you say. oil critical to the Russian economy Vladimir Putin the prime minister, makes this, announcement, not. President Dmitry Medvedev There's a presidential election next year Are politics at play here that Putin comes out and makes a big deal, of | and as you say, oil critical to the russian economy. vladimir putin, the prime minister, makes this announcement, not president dmitry medvedev. there's a presidential election next year. are politics at play here, that putin comes out and makes a big deal of this? |
Well, I think Putin's already - has been seen as the man ultimately in charge, not Dmitry Medvedev. He was also the man to give the blessing to the original oil deal between Rosneft and BP in January. When that fell through, it made everybody look bad, including Vladimir Putin. This is kind of him scrambling to make hi... | well. i think putin's already - has been seen as. the. man ultimately in charge not dmitry medvedev he was also the man to give the blessing to the original oil deal between rosneft and bp in january when. that fell through it made everybody look. bad including vladimir putin this is kind of him scrambling to make, his... | Well I think Putin's already - has been seen as the man ultimately in charge not Dmitry Medvedev He was also the man to give the blessing to the original oil deal between Rosneft and BP in January When that fell through it made everybody, look bad including Vladimir Putin This is kind of, him scrambling to make, his im... | well, i think putin's already - has been seen as the man ultimately in charge, not dmitry medvedev. he was also the man to give the blessing to the original oil deal between rosneft and bp in january. when that fell through, it made everybody look bad, including vladimir putin. this is kind of him scrambling to make hi... |
We've been speaking to Foreign Policy magazine's Moscow correspondent Julia Ioffe. | we've been speaking to foreign. policy; magazine's moscow. correspondent julia | We've been speaking to Foreign Policy magazine's Moscow correspondent Julia | we've been speaking to foreign policy magazine's moscow correspondent julia ioffe. |
Julia, thank you. | julia, thank | Julia thank | julia, thank you. |
Thank you, David. | thank you | Thank you, | thank you, david. |
The teachers Union in Chicago votes later today for the second time on whether to and a strike that has kept 350,000 students and their parents in limbo. On Sunday, the union's House of Delegates voted to continue the weeklong strike until they have more time to read the outline on of a tentative agreement. That vote w... | the teachers union in chicago votes later today for the second time on. whether to and a; strike that has kept 350,000 students and their parents in limbo on sunday the union's house of delegates voted to continue the weeklong strike until they have more time to read the outline on of, a tentative agreement that vote w... | The teachers Union in Chicago, votes later; today for the second time on whether to. and a strike that has kept 350,000 students and. their parents in limbo On Sunday the union's House, of Delegates voted to continue the weeklong strike until they have more time, to read the outline on of a. tentative agreement That vo... | the teachers union in chicago votes later today for the second time on whether to and a strike that has kept 350,000 students and their parents in limbo. on sunday, the union's house of delegates voted to continue the weeklong strike until they have more time to read the outline on of a tentative agreement. that vote w... |
NPR's Claudio Sanchez reports that with the vote pending, some teachers still don't know what's in that agreement. | npr's claudio, sanchez reports, that with the vote pending some teachers still don't know, what's in that | NPR's Claudio Sanchez reports that with the vote pending some teachers still, don't know what's; in that | npr's claudio sanchez reports that with the vote pending, some teachers still don't know what's in that agreement. |
Robert Resner, an elementary school teacher at Orozco Academy showed up at Strike Headquarters at 6 A.M. this morning to pick up some pamphlets and the latest four-page summary of the tentative contract the Chicago teachers union is reviewing. But he still wasn't sure what he's supposed to reject or endorse. | robert resner. an elementary school teacher at orozco academy showed. up at strike headquarters at 6 a.m this morning to pick up some pamphlets and. the latest four-page, summary of the tentative contract the chicago teachers union is reviewing but he still wasn't sure what he's supposed. to reject or | Robert Resner an elementary school teacher at Orozco Academy showed up at Strike Headquarters; at, 6 A.M this morning to pick up some pamphlets and the latest four-page summary of the, tentative contract the Chicago teachers union is reviewing But. he still wasn't sure what he's supposed. to reject or | robert resner, an elementary school teacher at orozco academy showed up at strike headquarters at 6 a.m. this morning to pick up some pamphlets and the latest four-page summary of the tentative contract the chicago teachers union is reviewing. but he still wasn't sure what he's supposed to reject or endorse. |
We got our information late Monday night on what was in the contract and it was only a small part, 'cause the contract is still not being written. | we got our, information, late monday night on. what was in the contract and. it was only a small part 'cause the contract is still not being | We. got our information late Monday night on what was in. the contract and it was only a small part 'cause the contract is still not being | we got our information late monday night on what was in the contract and it was only a small part, 'cause the contract is still not being written. |
How can you sign something if you haven't seen it, says Resner? His colleague, Melissa Sears, says she just wants to get back to work. | how, can you sign something if you haven't seen it says resner? his colleague melissa sears says she just wants to get back to | How can you sign something. if you haven't. seen it says Resner? His. colleague Melissa. Sears says she. just; wants to get back to | how can you sign something if you haven't seen it, says resner? his colleague, melissa sears, says she just wants to get back to work. |
What I've seen in the contract is good enough for me. Is it perfect? No is it ever going to be? No, but I feel like we have to, at this point, sort of appreciate what we've gotten and hope for the best. | what i've seen in. the contract is, good enough for me is it perfect? no is it ever. going to be? no but i feel like we have, to at this point sort of appreciate what we've gotten and hope for the | What I've seen in the contract is good enough for me, Is it perfect? No is it ever going to be? No but I feel like we have to at this point sort. of appreciate what we've gotten and hope; for the | what i've seen in the contract is good enough for me. is it perfect? no is it ever going to be? no, but i feel like we have to, at this point, sort of appreciate what we've gotten and hope for the best. |
Sears says her confidence in union President Karen Lewis though is not as strong as it once was. And Sears wonders was Lewis tough enough in negotiating a fair contract. And what will she do if the union's 800 voting delegates turn down the latest proposal and remain on strike? | sears. says her confidence in union president karen lewis though is not as strong as it once was and sears wonders was lewis tough enough in. negotiating a fair contract, and what will she do if the union's 800 voting. delegates turn down the. latest proposal and remain on | Sears says her confidence in union President Karen Lewis though is not as strong as it once was And Sears wonders; was Lewis tough enough, in negotiating a fair contract And what, will she do if the union's 800 voting, delegates turn down the latest proposal and remain on | sears says her confidence in union president karen lewis though is not as strong as it once was. and sears wonders was lewis tough enough in negotiating a fair contract. and what will she do if the union's 800 voting delegates turn down the latest proposal and remain on strike? |
All I can do is just trust that she's looking out for our best interests. | all i can do, is just trust that she's looking out. for our best | All I can do is just. trust that she's looking out for our best | all i can do is just trust that she's looking out for our best interests. |
Until now, few teachers have suggested that Lewis has not done enough. But as public support for the strike slowly fades, some teachers wonder whether she's the best person to take on a much tougher task once the strike is settled; turning, what they call, a politically polarized school system, dominated by politicians... | until now few teachers have suggested that, lewis has, not done. enough but as public support for the strike slowly fades some teachers wonder whether she's the best person to, take. on a much tougher task once the strike is settled turning what they call a politically polarized school system dominated by politicians a... | Until now few, teachers, have suggested. that Lewis has. not done, enough But as public. support for the strike slowly fades some teachers, wonder whether she's the best person to take on; a much tougher task once the strike is settled turning, what, they call a politically polarized school system dominated by politici... | until now, few teachers have suggested that lewis has not done enough. but as public support for the strike slowly fades, some teachers wonder whether she's the best person to take on a much tougher task once the strike is settled; turning, what they call, a politically polarized school system, dominated by politicians... |
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