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Coppola movie, yeah. | coppola movie | Coppola movie | coppola movie, yeah. |
Yeah. Yeah. Coppola, yeah. | yeah yeah coppola. | Yeah Yeah Coppola | yeah. yeah. coppola, yeah. |
That's apocalypse. | that's | That's | that's apocalypse. |
Yes, yes. "Apocalypse Now." And also, we also have another winner. We had a contest in September to predict in advance, of course, that's what - hence the term predict. | yes. yes "apocalypse now" and also we also have another winner we, had a contest in september to predict, in advance of. course that's what - hence the term | Yes yes "Apocalypse Now" And also, we also have another winner We had a; contest in September to predict in advance of course that's what - hence the term | yes, yes. "apocalypse now." and also, we also have another winner. we had a contest in september to predict in advance, of course, that's what - hence the term predict. |
Predict, yes. Predict. | predict yes | Predict yes, | predict, yes. predict. |
Yes. The Electoral College vote. And this was early - mid-September, and actually 19 people, and I read all 19, 19 people got it correctly, but David Driscoll of Stanford, California, said early September, 332 to 206, and that's exactly what it was for Obama and Romney. | yes the electoral college vote and this was early, - mid-september and actually 19 people and i read all 19, 19 people got it correctly but david driscoll; of stanford california said. early september 332 to 206, and that's exactly what it was for obama and | Yes The Electoral College vote And this was; early - mid-September and actually 19 people. and I read all 19, 19 people got it correctly but David. Driscoll of Stanford California said early September 332 to 206, and that's exactly what it was for Obama and | yes. the electoral college vote. and this was early - mid-september, and actually 19 people, and i read all 19, 19 people got it correctly, but david driscoll of stanford, california, said early september, 332 to 206, and that's exactly what it was for obama and romney. |
And least - as long as we're not going to recount Florida again and again and again and again and again. In the meantime, I want to talk... | and least - as long as we're not going to recount florida again and again and again and again and again in the; meantime i want to | And least. - as long as we're not going to recount Florida again and again and. again and again, and again In the meantime I want to | and least - as long as we're not going to recount florida again and again and again and again and again. in the meantime, i want to talk... |
He gets a T-shirt. | he gets a, | He gets a | he gets a t-shirt. |
He gets the T-shirt and the ScuttleButton winner's puzzle - winner button. In the meantime, we want to talk about presidents' second terms. And it was, well, eight years ago that - excuse me, 12 years ago that George W. Bush, fresh off his re-election, issued... | he gets, the t-shirt and. the scuttlebutton winner's puzzle - winner button in the meantime, we want to talk about presidents' second terms and it was well eight years ago that, - excuse me 12 years ago that. george. w bush fresh off his re-election | He, gets the T-shirt and the ScuttleButton winner's, puzzle - winner button In the meantime we want to talk about presidents' second terms And. it was well eight years ago that - excuse. me 12 years ago that George W Bush, fresh off his re-election | he gets the t-shirt and the scuttlebutton winner's puzzle - winner button. in the meantime, we want to talk about presidents' second terms. and it was, well, eight years ago that - excuse me, 12 years ago that george w. bush, fresh off his re-election, issued... |
Eight. Eight. | eight. | Eight | eight. eight. |
Eight years ago. Yes, fresh off his - Ken, that's right. OK. Yeah, (unintelligible). | eight years ago yes fresh off his - ken that's; right ok yeah | Eight. years ago Yes fresh off his - Ken. that's right OK Yeah, | eight years ago. yes, fresh off his - ken, that's right. ok. yeah, (unintelligible). |
My understanding there will be no math. | my understanding there will be no | My understanding there will be no | my understanding there will be no math. |
Yeah, there's no arithmetic. In any case, issued a statement about his second term as he reveled in his victory the day after his election. | yeah there's no arithmetic in any case issued a statement about, his second term as he reveled in his victory the. day after his | Yeah there's no arithmetic In any case issued a. statement about, his second, term as he; reveled in his victory the day, after his | yeah, there's no arithmetic. in any case, issued a statement about his second term as he reveled in his victory the day after his election. |
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I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it. | i earned capital in the campaign political capital and now i intend to spend | I earned capital in the campaign political, capital and now I intend to spend, | i earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now i intend to spend it. |
And there was a long talk about privatizing social security, all the other ambitious programs that George W. Bush hoped to achieve. | and, there was a long talk about privatizing social security all the other ambitious programs that george w. bush hoped to | And there was, a long talk about privatizing social security all the other ambitious programs that George W Bush, hoped to | and there was a long talk about privatizing social security, all the other ambitious programs that george w. bush hoped to achieve. |
Exactly, and we've seen the history. I mean, this may be - this could change. This doesn't mean that President Obama is... | exactly and we've seen, the, history i mean this may be - this could change this doesn't mean that president obama | Exactly and we've seen the history I mean this may be - this could change. This, doesn't mean that President Obama | exactly, and we've seen the history. i mean, this may be - this could change. this doesn't mean that president obama is... |
Yeah, history is not fate. | yeah history is not | Yeah. history is not | yeah, history is not fate. |
Exactly right. But we've seen in second terms, I mean, you could even go with the campaign, when Woodrow Wilson was running for re-election... | exactly. right but we've seen in second terms i; mean you could even go with the campaign when woodrow wilson was running for | Exactly right But we've seen in second terms I mean you could even go with the. campaign when Woodrow Wilson was running for | exactly right. but we've seen in second terms, i mean, you could even go with the campaign, when woodrow wilson was running for re-election... |
Yeah, he kept us out of war. | yeah he kept us out of, | Yeah he kept us out of | yeah, he kept us out of war. |
He kept us out of war, and then five minutes later, we had World War I. And it's weird that they called it World War I, like as if they knew there would be another one. | he kept us out of war and then five minutes later we had world war i and it's weird that they called it world war i like as if they knew there would be. another, | He kept us out of war and then five minutes later we had World War I And it's weird that they called it World War I like as if they knew there would, be another | he kept us out of war, and then five minutes later, we had world war i. and it's weird that they called it world war i, like as if they knew there would be another one. |
Predicting again. | predicting | Predicting, | predicting again. |
I'm Madeleine Brand. Coming up, the debate continues over how friendly fire from U.S. pilots killed a British soldier. | i'm madeleine brand coming up the debate continues over how friendly fire from u.s pilots killed a british | I'm Madeleine, Brand Coming up the debate continues over how friendly fire. from U.S pilots killed a British | i'm madeleine brand. coming up, the debate continues over how friendly fire from u.s. pilots killed a british soldier. |
Right. And again, you know, he won a very sizeable re-election victory in 1996, that's Bill Clinton. And, you know, you could blame the Republican Congress or you could blame his own personal activities. I tend to blame the latter, but Bill Clinton, of course, was impeached by the House in 1998, not convicted by the Se... | right and again. you know he won, a very sizeable. re-election victory in. 1996, that's. bill clinton and you, know you could blame the republican, congress or you could blame his own personal activities i tend to blame the latter but bill clinton of course, was impeached by the house in 1998, not. convicted by the sen... | Right And again you know, he won a very; sizeable re-election victory in 1996, that's Bill Clinton And you know you, could blame the Republican Congress or you could blame his own personal activities I tend to blame the latter but Bill, Clinton of course was impeached by the House in 1998, not convicted by the Senate b... | right. and again, you know, he won a very sizeable re-election victory in 1996, that's bill clinton. and, you know, you could blame the republican congress or you could blame his own personal activities. i tend to blame the latter, but bill clinton, of course, was impeached by the house in 1998, not convicted by the se... |
So as you look at second terms, it's interesting. Let's listen to Barack Obama with a rather more circumspect message following his re-election. | so as you look at second terms it's interesting let's listen to. barack obama with a rather more circumspect message following his | So as you. look at. second terms it's interesting Let's listen to. Barack Obama with a rather more circumspect message following his | so as you look at second terms, it's interesting. let's listen to barack obama with a rather more circumspect message following his re-election. |
I'm more than familiar with all the literature about presidential overreach in second terms. We are very cautious about that. On the other hand, I didn't get re-elected just to bask in re-election. | i'm more than. familiar with all the literature about presidential overreach in second terms we are very cautious about that on the other hand i didn't get re-elected just to bask in | I'm more than familiar with all the literature about. presidential overreach in second terms We are. very cautious about, that On the other hand I didn't get, re-elected just to bask, in. | i'm more than familiar with all the literature about presidential overreach in second terms. we are very cautious about that. on the other hand, i didn't get re-elected just to bask in re-election. |
So you want to do something, you got to feel like you're liberated. You're never going to run for office again, so you can irritate some - interest some people. | so you want to do something you got to feel like, you're liberated you're never going to run for office again so you can irritate some - interest some | So you want to do something you got. to feel like you're liberated You're never going to run for, office again so you can irritate some - interest some | so you want to do something, you got to feel like you're liberated. you're never going to run for office again, so you can irritate some - interest some people. |
Yes, you can do that, but you're also immediately tarred as a lame duck. And, perhaps, Congress, especially with the Republican House, they could see you as a lame duck and feel that he can't go to the voters once again. Sometimes, the administrations run out of steam. There are a lot of the top people leave. But as we... | yes you can do that but you're also immediately tarred as a lame duck and perhaps congress especially with the republican house they could see, you as a lame duck and feel that he can't go to the. voters once again sometimes. the administrations run out of steam there are a, lot of the top. people leave but as we saw w... | Yes you can do that but you're also immediately tarred as a lame duck And perhaps Congress especially with the Republican House they could see you as a, lame duck and feel that he can't go to the voters once again Sometimes the administrations, run out of steam There are a lot of, the top. people leave But as; we saw, ... | yes, you can do that, but you're also immediately tarred as a lame duck. and, perhaps, congress, especially with the republican house, they could see you as a lame duck and feel that he can't go to the voters once again. sometimes, the administrations run out of steam. there are a lot of the top people leave. but as we... |
Let's get a caller in on the conversation. If you - after re-election, who's second term surprised you? 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org. And Mindy is on the line with us from Philadelphia. | let's get a caller in on the conversation if you - after, re-election who's second term surprised you? 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org and mindy is on the line with us from | Let's get a caller in on the conversation If you - after re-election who's second term surprised you? 800-989-8255. Email us: talk@npr.org And Mindy is on the line with, us from | let's get a caller in on the conversation. if you - after re-election, who's second term surprised you? 800-989-8255. email us: talk@npr.org. and mindy is on the line with us from philadelphia. |
Yes, hi. I was only 12 when Nixon was re-elected and then was brought down by Watergate. But I think the thing that surprised me was how he had such a landslide, you know, winning, and how his fall kind of - was equated with the faith that everyone had in him. | yes hi i was only 12 when nixon was re-elected and then was brought. down by watergate but i think the thing that surprised me was how he had such a landslide you know winning and how his fall kind of - was equated with the faith that, everyone had in | Yes hi I was only 12 when Nixon was. re-elected, and then was brought down by Watergate But I think the thing that surprised. me was how he had such a landslide you know, winning and how his fall kind. of - was equated; with the faith that everyone had in; | yes, hi. i was only 12 when nixon was re-elected and then was brought down by watergate. but i think the thing that surprised me was how he had such a landslide, you know, winning, and how his fall kind of - was equated with the faith that everyone had in him. |
Ken? | ken? | ||
And what's so remarkable is that as he was winning his 49-state re-election in 1972, Watergate was already - it was also - still in the news. The Democrats were saying that they're bugging the DNC. They're trying to subvert the democratic process. And the voters just didn't pay - well, the voters in Massachusetts may h... | and what's so remarkable is. that as he was winning his 49-state re-election in 1972, watergate was already - it was also - still in the news the democrats were saying that they're bugging the dnc they're trying to subvert the democratic process and the voters just didn't pay - well; the voters. in, massachusetts may h... | And what's so remarkable is, that; as he was winning, his 49-state re-election in 1972, Watergate was already, - it was also - still in the news The Democrats were saying that they're bugging the DNC They're trying to subvert the democratic process, And the voters just didn't pay. - well the, voters in Massachusetts ma... | and what's so remarkable is that as he was winning his 49-state re-election in 1972, watergate was already - it was also - still in the news. the democrats were saying that they're bugging the dnc. they're trying to subvert the democratic process. and the voters just didn't pay - well, the voters in massachusetts may h... |
And would have been impeached has he tried to stay in office. | and would have been impeached has he tried to stay in | And would have been. impeached has he tried to stay in | and would have been impeached has he tried to stay in office. |
Right. | right. | ||
It turns out the historians may get to find out why they broke into the Watergate office in the first place; one thing we've never quite really known. And what kind of information were they looking for? | it turns out the historians may get to find out why they. broke into the. watergate office in the first place one thing we've. never quite really known and what kind of information were they looking | It turns out. the historians may, get to find out why they broke. into the Watergate office in the first place one thing we've never. quite really known And, what kind of information were they looking | it turns out the historians may get to find out why they broke into the watergate office in the first place; one thing we've never quite really known. and what kind of information were they looking for? |
Well, I don't really know that. But all I know is that Richard Nixon felt that in 1968 he had a landslide, expected against Hubert Humphrey. He won by the barest of margins, 500,000 votes. And, perhaps, he was just determined that nothing would catch him off-guard in a re-election battle in 1972. And he just wants to g... | well i don't really know that but all i know. is that richard nixon felt that in 1968 he had. a landslide; expected against hubert, humphrey he won by; the barest of margins 500,000 votes and perhaps he was just determined that nothing would catch him off-guard in a, re-election. battle in 1972. and he just wants to ge... | Well I don't really, know that But all I know is that Richard Nixon felt that in 1968 he had a landslide expected against Hubert; Humphrey He won by the barest of margins 500,000 votes And; perhaps. he was just determined. that nothing would catch him off-guard in a re-election battle in 1972. And he, just wants to get... | well, i don't really know that. but all i know is that richard nixon felt that in 1968 he had a landslide, expected against hubert humphrey. he won by the barest of margins, 500,000 votes. and, perhaps, he was just determined that nothing would catch him off-guard in a re-election battle in 1972. and he just wants to g... |
Mindy, thanks very much for the call. | mindy thanks very much for the | Mindy thanks very much for the | mindy, thanks very much for the call. |
Can I ask one question? | can i ask one | Can I ask one | can i ask one question? |
Sure. | sure. | ||
Which is, what is the - was there a standing president who decided not to run for re-election? | which is. what is the - was there a standing. president who decided not to, run for | Which is what is the - was there a standing president who decided, not to run for. | which is, what is the - was there a standing president who decided not to run for re-election? |
Well, Lyndon Johnson, of course, even though he was kind of re-elected in '64, filling JFK... | well lyndon, johnson of course even though he was kind of, re-elected in '64, filling | Well Lyndon Johnson of, course even though he, was, kind of re-elected in '64, filling | well, lyndon johnson, of course, even though he was kind of re-elected in '64, filling jfk... |
He certainly was eligible constitutionally for re-election and decided against it. | he certainly was eligible constitutionally for, re-election and decided against | He certainly was eligible constitutionally for re-election and decided against | he certainly was eligible constitutionally for re-election and decided against it. |
And Harry Truman, too, in 1952. He could have run for another term in 1952, but his numbers were so horrific, 22 percent approval rating. Truman decided not to run for again in '52. | and harry, truman too in 1952. he could have run for another term in 1952, but his numbers were, so horrific 22 percent approval rating truman decided not to run for again in | And Harry Truman too in 1952. He could have run for another term in 1952, but, his numbers were so horrific 22 percent approval rating Truman decided not to run for, again in | and harry truman, too, in 1952. he could have run for another term in 1952, but his numbers were so horrific, 22 percent approval rating. truman decided not to run for again in '52. |
And, of course, George Washington could have run for a third term but elected not to. | and of; course george washington could, have run for a third term but elected not | And of course George Washington could have run for a third term but. elected not | and, of course, george washington could have run for a third term but elected not to. |
But he was named after that bridge in New Jersey. | but he was named after that, bridge in new | But he was named after that bridge in New | but he was named after that bridge in new jersey. |
That's right. That's right. Mindy, thanks very much for the call. | that's right that's right mindy thanks very much for the | That's right That's right Mindy thanks very much for the | that's right. that's right. mindy, thanks very much for the call. |
Bye-bye. | bye-bye. | ||
In fact, it was many years after which was a tradition established by Washington but just a tradition. Presidents could run a term no more than two terms. It eventually was passed in the Constitution. | in fact it was many years after which was a tradition established; by washington but just a tradition presidents could run a term no more, than two terms it eventually was passed in, the | In fact, it, was many years after which was a tradition established by Washington but just a tradition. Presidents, could run a term no more than two, terms It eventually was, passed in the | in fact, it was many years after which was a tradition established by washington but just a tradition. presidents could run a term no more than two terms. it eventually was passed in the constitution. |
Right. And, of course, Roosevelt, of course, broke that tradition in 1940, winning a third term and then four years later, winning a fourth term. | right and of course roosevelt of course broke that tradition in; 1940, winning a third. term and then four years. later winning a fourth, | Right And of course Roosevelt of course; broke that tradition in 1940, winning a third term and then four; years later winning a fourth | right. and, of course, roosevelt, of course, broke that tradition in 1940, winning a third term and then four years later, winning a fourth term. |
And as you look at second terms, though, one thing that presidents, well, really need to focus on - you hear as they become less and less powerful in domestic policy, they tend to focus more and more on foreign policy where a president has much more leeway, don't have to deal with that pesty(ph) Congress in the most pa... | and as you look, at second terms though one thing that presidents well really need to focus on - you hear as they become less and less. powerful in domestic policy they tend to focus more and more on foreign policy where a president has much more leeway don't have to deal with. that pesty(ph) congress in, the, most | And as you look at second terms though one thing that presidents well really need to focus on - you hear. as they become less and, less powerful, in domestic policy they tend to, focus more and more on foreign policy, where a president has much more leeway don't have to deal with that pesty(ph) Congress in the most | and as you look at second terms, though, one thing that presidents, well, really need to focus on - you hear as they become less and less powerful in domestic policy, they tend to focus more and more on foreign policy where a president has much more leeway, don't have to deal with that pesty(ph) congress in the most pa... |
And that's true. We saw that with Eisenhower too. Eisenhower was very focused on it. I mean, we saw what was going on in incursions overseas, in foreign policies, stuff like that. Richard Nixon was a very involved in settling the second Arab-Israeli War in 1973. But again, it was the domestic policy that brought them d... | and that's true we. saw. that with. eisenhower too eisenhower was very focused on it i mean we saw, what was going on in incursions overseas in foreign policies stuff like that richard nixon was a very involved, in settling the second arab-israeli war in 1973. but again it was the domestic policy that brought them down... | And that's true We saw that with Eisenhower too Eisenhower was very focused on it I mean we. saw what was going on in incursions overseas in foreign policies stuff like that Richard Nixon was a very involved in settling the second Arab-Israeli War in 1973. But again it was the. domestic policy that brought them down Fr... | and that's true. we saw that with eisenhower too. eisenhower was very focused on it. i mean, we saw what was going on in incursions overseas, in foreign policies, stuff like that. richard nixon was a very involved in settling the second arab-israeli war in 1973. but again, it was the domestic policy that brought them d... |
And, of course, Bill Clinton did get impeached. He was not convicted in the United States Senate and ended - left office with great popularity numbers. | and of course bill clinton did get impeached he was not convicted in the united states senate and ended - left office with great popularity | And of, course Bill Clinton did get impeached He was not convicted in the. United States Senate and ended - left office with great popularity | and, of course, bill clinton did get impeached. he was not convicted in the united states senate and ended - left office with great popularity numbers. |
Yeah, that's what I said. I mean, you know, we don't know whether we blamed Clinton or the Republican Congress for overreaching. We always talk about a second-term president overreaching, and there will be accusation about Obama's first term. But if the Republican Congress overreached in the impeachment of 1998, I thin... | yeah that's what i said i mean you know we don't know whether we blamed clinton or the republican congress for overreaching we always talk about a second-term president overreaching, and there will be accusation about obama's first, term but if the republican congress overreached in the impeachment. of 1998, i think th... | Yeah that's what I said. I mean you know we don't know whether we blamed Clinton or, the Republican Congress for overreaching We always talk about. a, second-term president. overreaching and there, will be accusation about Obama's. first term But if the Republican Congress overreached, in the impeachment of 1998, I thi... | yeah, that's what i said. i mean, you know, we don't know whether we blamed clinton or the republican congress for overreaching. we always talk about a second-term president overreaching, and there will be accusation about obama's first term. but if the republican congress overreached in the impeachment of 1998, i thin... |
And before we leave you, Ken, it's being reported Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. resigned today in a letter to the speaker of the House. The congressman just won re-election after being largely out of sight for several months, undergoing treatment for mental illness. | and, before. we leave you ken it's being reported congressman jesse jackson, jr resigned today in a letter to the speaker of the house the congressman just won re-election after being, largely out of sight for several months undergoing treatment for mental | And before we leave you Ken it's being reported Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. resigned today in, a letter to the speaker of the House The congressman just won re-election after being largely out of sight for several months undergoing treatment for mental | and before we leave you, ken, it's being reported congressman jesse jackson jr. resigned today in a letter to the speaker of the house. the congressman just won re-election after being largely out of sight for several months, undergoing treatment for mental illness. |
Well, we're going to be watching it. It looks like the problems are quite receding into the background here, are concerns about them. The last words that I had was they had a very good rollover there in Japan... | well we're going, to be watching it it looks like the problems are quite receding into; the background here are concerns about them the last, words that i had, was they had a very good rollover there in. | Well we're going to be, watching it It looks like the problems are quite receding into the, background here are; concerns about them The last words that I had was they had a very good rollover there in. | well, we're going to be watching it. it looks like the problems are quite receding into the background here, are concerns about them. the last words that i had was they had a very good rollover there in japan... |
Wow. I mean, that's breaking news here on TALK OF THE NATION. And, you know, they kept saying that he had certainly problems. There were investigations going on. And everybody was wondering whether he would show up, return to Congress in the next session. And, obviously, that's - there's your answer right there. So a s... | wow i mean that's breaking news here on talk of the nation and you know they kept saying that he had. certainly problems there were investigations going on and everybody was, wondering whether he would show up return to congress in, the next session and obviously that's - there's your answer right there so, a special e... | Wow I mean that's, breaking news here on TALK OF THE NATION; And you know they kept saying that he had certainly problems There were investigations going on And everybody was, wondering whether he. would show up return to, Congress in the next session And obviously that's - there's your answer right. there So a special... | wow. i mean, that's breaking news here on talk of the nation. and, you know, they kept saying that he had certainly problems. there were investigations going on. and everybody was wondering whether he would show up, return to congress in the next session. and, obviously, that's - there's your answer right there. so a s... |
And this is a solid Democratic district in Chicago. Is there any instant speculation - well, the first thing you have to speculate about is the congressman's wife, who's a politician in her own right. | and this is a. solid. democratic district in chicago is there. any; instant speculation - well the first thing. you have to speculate about is the congressman's wife who's a politician in her own | And this is a solid Democratic district in Chicago Is there any instant speculation - well the first thing you have to speculate about is the. congressman's wife who's a politician in her own | and this is a solid democratic district in chicago. is there any instant speculation - well, the first thing you have to speculate about is the congressman's wife, who's a politician in her own right. |
That's right. She's a member of the city council. She's a councilmember in the Chicago City Council, and that's a possibility. But again, this is stunning, and yet not so stunning. Certainly, it's a sad news. | that's right she's a. member of the city council she's. a, councilmember in the chicago city council; and that's a possibility but again this is stunning and yet not so stunning certainly it's a, sad | That's right She's a member of the city council, She's a. councilmember in the Chicago City Council and that's a possibility But again this is stunning, and yet not so stunning Certainly it's a sad, | that's right. she's a member of the city council. she's a councilmember in the chicago city council, and that's a possibility. but again, this is stunning, and yet not so stunning. certainly, it's a sad news. |
Thanks very much, Ken. And, of course, the Political Junkie returns next Wednesday as he does every Wednesday on TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | thanks very much ken and of course the political junkie returns; next, wednesday as he; does every wednesday on talk, of the nation from npr | Thanks very much. Ken And of course the Political Junkie, returns next Wednesday. as he does every Wednesday on TALK OF THE NATION. from NPR | thanks very much, ken. and, of course, the political junkie returns next wednesday as he does every wednesday on talk of the nation from npr news. |
Happy Thanksgiving. | happy | Happy, | happy thanksgiving. |
And to Nicaragua now, where more than two dozen people have been killed in protests. Human rights groups are accusing the government of Daniel Ortega of using live rounds to quell the demonstrations. The violence was triggered by unpopular pension reforms. We're joined now by NPR's Carrie Kahn. Good morning. | and to nicaragua now where more than, two dozen. people have been killed in protests. human rights groups are accusing the government of daniel ortega of using live rounds to quell. the demonstrations the violence was triggered by unpopular pension reforms we're joined now by npr's carrie kahn good | And to Nicaragua. now where more than. two dozen people have been killed, in protests Human rights groups are accusing the government of Daniel Ortega; of using. live rounds to quell the demonstrations The violence. was, triggered by, unpopular pension reforms We're joined now by NPR's Carrie Kahn Good | and to nicaragua now, where more than two dozen people have been killed in protests. human rights groups are accusing the government of daniel ortega of using live rounds to quell the demonstrations. the violence was triggered by unpopular pension reforms. we're joined now by npr's carrie kahn. good morning. |
Good morning, Lulu. | good morning | Good morning | good morning, lulu. |
And, Carrie, this violence has been going on for four days now. Explain what's so contentious about these pension reforms. | and carrie this violence has been going on for four days now explain what's so contentious about these pension | And Carrie this violence has been. going on for four days now Explain what's so contentious about these pension | and, carrie, this violence has been going on for four days now. explain what's so contentious about these pension reforms. |
Sure. The government says it's going to increase income and payroll taxes. People are going to be paying more while they get less services - less pensions. And the pensions are lower. And, you know, they need to try and shore up Nicaragua's really troubled social security system. Now the government is saying that these... | sure the government says it's going to increase income and payroll taxes people are going to be, paying more while they get less services, - less pensions and the pensions are lower and you. know they, need to try and. shore up nicaragua's really troubled social security system now the government is saying, that. these... | Sure The government says it's going to, increase income and payroll taxes People are going to be paying more while they get less services - less pensions And the pensions are lower And you. know they need to try and shore, up Nicaragua's really troubled social security system Now the government is saying that these wer... | sure. the government says it's going to increase income and payroll taxes. people are going to be paying more while they get less services - less pensions. and the pensions are lower. and, you know, they need to try and shore up nicaragua's really troubled social security system. now the government is saying that these... |
And Ortega has maintained power for so long in Nicaragua. This is his third consecutive time in power, his fourth as president. But that's due to his support and the social programs that he provides to the poor because there are so many - that is the base of his support. So this was definitely a blow to his supporters ... | and ortega has maintained power for so, long in, nicaragua this is his third consecutive time in power, his fourth as president but that's due, to his support and the social programs. that he provides to the. poor because, there are so many - that is the base of his support so. this was definitely a blow to his support... | And, Ortega has maintained power for, so; long in Nicaragua This is his third, consecutive time in power his. fourth as president But that's due to his support and the social programs that he provides to the poor because there are, so many - that is the base of. his support So this was definitely a blow to his supporte... | and ortega has maintained power for so long in nicaragua. this is his third consecutive time in power, his fourth as president. but that's due to his support and the social programs that he provides to the poor because there are so many - that is the base of his support. so this was definitely a blow to his supporters ... |
Yeah. So the spark - who are these protesters? Who's taking to the streets? | yeah so the spark - who are these protesters? who's taking to the | Yeah So the spark. - who are these protesters? Who's taking to the, | yeah. so the spark - who are these protesters? who's taking to the streets? |
Sure. It appears really to be a wide swath of the nation protesting. It's not just limited to the capital, Managua. There are protests in cities all over the country. The most vocal and - have been the students at a main university. But it's become more widespread with pensioners coming out and even actually - and citi... | sure it, appears, really to. be a wide; swath of the nation protesting it's not just limited to the capital managua there are protests in cities all over the country the most vocal and - have been the students at a main university but it's, become more widespread with pensioners coming, out, and even, actually - and, c... | Sure It appears really to be a wide swath of the. nation protesting It's not just limited to the capital Managua There are protests in cities all over the country The most vocal and - have been the students at a main university But it's become more, widespread with pensioners coming out and even actually - and citizens... | sure. it appears really to be a wide swath of the nation protesting. it's not just limited to the capital, managua. there are protests in cities all over the country. the most vocal and - have been the students at a main university. but it's become more widespread with pensioners coming out and even actually - and citi... |
You know, you talk about the government's response. They're trying to sort of say that they might be able to change these pension reforms and negotiate them. But have they really sort of spoken to the protesters' demands? | you. know you talk about the government's response. they're trying. to sort of, say, that they might be able to change these pension, reforms and negotiate them but have they really sort of spoken to the | You know you talk about the government's response They're trying to sort of say that. they might. be able to change these pension reforms, and negotiate. them But have they really sort of spoken to, the | you know, you talk about the government's response. they're trying to sort of say that they might be able to change these pension reforms and negotiate them. but have they really sort of spoken to the protesters' demands? |
Well, Ortega went on national TV. He went on yesterday. That was the first time he's addressed these protests. And he said he was ready to negotiate over the pensions. But, you know, that appearance, in all ways, just seemed to have really made the situation worse. He said he would only negotiate with the business comm... | well ortega, went on national tv he went on yesterday, that, was the first time he's addressed these protests and he said he was ready to negotiate over, the pensions but you know that appearance in all ways just seemed to have really made the situation worse he said he would only negotiate with the business community ... | Well Ortega went on national TV He went on yesterday That was the first time he's addressed these protests And he, said he was ready to negotiate over the pensions But you know that appearance in all ways just seemed to have really made the situation worse He said he, would only negotiate with the business community no... | well, ortega went on national tv. he went on yesterday. that was the first time he's addressed these protests. and he said he was ready to negotiate over the pensions. but, you know, that appearance, in all ways, just seemed to have really made the situation worse. he said he would only negotiate with the business comm... |
And, you know, that just really seemed to make matters worse. And more people came out on the streets. His response is widely considered to be heavy-handed, with calls for restraint coming from, you know, the business community - which is very powerful in Nicaragua - to the Catholic Church to the U.N. to the Organizati... | and you know that, just really seemed to make matters worse and more people came; out, on the; streets his response is widely considered to be heavy-handed, with calls for. restraint coming from you know. the business community - which is very powerful in nicaragua - to the; catholic church to. the u.n to the organizat... | And you know that just really seemed to make matters worse And more people came out on the streets His response is widely considered to be heavy-handed with calls for restraint coming from you know the business community - which is very powerful in Nicaragua - to the Catholic Church to the U.N to the Organization. of, ... | and, you know, that just really seemed to make matters worse. and more people came out on the streets. his response is widely considered to be heavy-handed, with calls for restraint coming from, you know, the business community - which is very powerful in nicaragua - to the catholic church to the u.n. to the organizati... |
NPR's Carrie Kahn - Carrie, thank you so much. | npr's carrie. kahn - carrie thank you so | NPR's Carrie Kahn - Carrie thank you so | npr's carrie kahn - carrie, thank you so much. |
You're welcome. | you're | You're | you're welcome. |
President Trump spent last night in Washington - that's Washington Township, Mich., where his campaign hosted a rally with thousands of supporters. And that was deliberate. | president trump spent last night. in washington, - that's washington township mich., where his campaign hosted, a rally with thousands of. supporters and that was | President. Trump spent last night in Washington, - that's Washington Township Mich., where his campaign hosted a rally with. thousands of supporters And that was | president trump spent last night in washington - that's washington township, mich., where his campaign hosted a rally with thousands of supporters. and that was deliberate. |
(SOUNDBITE OF RALLY) | (soundbite of | (SOUNDBITE OF | (soundbite of rally) |
Is this better than that phony Washington White House Correspondents... | is this better than that phony washington white house | Is this better than that phony Washington White House | is this better than that phony washington white house correspondents... |
(CHEERING) | (cheering) | ||
Is this more fun? | is this more | Is this more | is this more fun? |
(CHEERING) | (cheering) | ||
I could be up there tonight, smiling like I love where they're hitting you shot after shot. These people - they hate your guts. | i could be up there tonight smiling like i love where they're hitting you shot after shot these people - they hate your, | I could be up. there tonight smiling like I love where they're hitting you shot after, shot These people - they hate your | i could be up there tonight, smiling like i love where they're hitting you shot after shot. these people - they hate your guts. |
It was the second year in a row that Trump skipped the White House Correspondents dinner in Washington, D.C., an event traditionally attended by the president. Ronald Reagan skipped it only once after he was shot. Instead, Trump rallied his base ahead of this year's midterm elections, hitting some familiar themes. And ... | it was, the second year. in a row that trump skipped. the white house correspondents dinner in washington d.c., an event traditionally attended by the president ronald reagan skipped, it only once after he was shot instead trump rallied; his. base ahead of this year's midterm elections hitting some, familiar themes and... | It was the second year in. a row. that Trump. skipped the White House Correspondents dinner in Washington D.C., an event traditionally attended by the president Ronald, Reagan skipped it only once after; he was shot Instead Trump, rallied his base ahead of, this; year's midterm, elections hitting some familiar themes A... | it was the second year in a row that trump skipped the white house correspondents dinner in washington, d.c., an event traditionally attended by the president. ronald reagan skipped it only once after he was shot. instead, trump rallied his base ahead of this year's midterm elections, hitting some familiar themes. and ... |
Good morning. | good, | Good | good morning. |
So this wasn't the White House Correspondents dinner. I'm assuming you weren't wearing a gown. But it was in a town called Washington, which was clearly intentional. What was President Trump's message to his supporters in Michigan? | so this wasn't the white house correspondents dinner i'm assuming, you weren't wearing a gown, but it was in a town called washington which was clearly intentional what was president trump's. message to his supporters in | So this wasn't the White House Correspondents, dinner I'm assuming you. weren't wearing a gown But it was in a town, called Washington which was clearly intentional What was President Trump's message to; his, supporters in; | so this wasn't the white house correspondents dinner. i'm assuming you weren't wearing a gown. but it was in a town called washington, which was clearly intentional. what was president trump's message to his supporters in michigan? |
Right, no evening gowns in Washington Township last night. And as you heard, he made a big point of not going to the White House Correspondents dinner, being in Michigan instead. That was, of course, a really important state for him in 2016. And last night, he made a big pitch to those same voters to turn out this year... | right no evening gowns in washington township last night and as, you heard, he made a big point of not, going to the white house correspondents dinner being in michigan instead that, was of course a really important state for. him in 2016. and last night he made a big; pitch to those same voters to turn out this year a... | Right no evening gowns. in Washington Township last night And as you heard, he made a big point of not going to the White House Correspondents dinner being in Michigan instead That; was of course a really important, state for him in 2016. And last night he made a big pitch to those same. voters. to turn, out this. year... | right, no evening gowns in washington township last night. and as you heard, he made a big point of not going to the white house correspondents dinner, being in michigan instead. that was, of course, a really important state for him in 2016. and last night, he made a big pitch to those same voters to turn out this year... |
And thats a question that will take more than a speech to answer. | and thats a question that will take more than a speech to | And. thats a question that will take more than a speech to | and thats a question that will take more than a speech to answer. |
...and them being one of the big technological nations. The next one we got to watch, though, is the one from Greenwich, England, because a lot of the networks use what we call Zulu time out of there. So that's a bit of a concern. But I've told my kids, fine, go party. And I'm over here to pick up my grandkids, and it'... | ...and them being one of the big technological nations the next one we got to watch though is the one from greenwich england because, a lot of the networks use what we call zulu time out of there so that's a bit of a concern but i've told my kids fine go party and i'm, over here to pick up my grandkids and it's looking... | ...and. them being one; of the, big technological nations The next one we got, to watch though is the one from Greenwich England. because a lot of the networks use what we call Zulu time, out of there So, that's a bit, of a concern. But. I've told my kids fine go party And I'm over here to pick up my. grandkids and it'... | ...and them being one of the big technological nations. the next one we got to watch, though, is the one from greenwich, england, because a lot of the networks use what we call zulu time out of there. so that's a bit of a concern. but i've told my kids, fine, go party. and i'm over here to pick up my grandkids, and it'... |
Give me an idea of your setup. For those of us who can't see it, what does your bunker look like? | give me an idea of your setup for those of us who can't see it what does your. bunker look | Give me an idea of your setup For those, of us who, can't see it what does your bunker look | give me an idea of your setup. for those of us who can't see it, what does your bunker look like? |
Well, we used school buses to form the bunker. But really, it - the main thing is it's made out of very heavy reinforced concrete. And we used 42 school buses that are buried there to form an inside shell for it. Over to the top of the concrete then, we have from 14 feet to five feet of earth. It's really a nuclear bun... | well we used school buses to form the bunker but really it - the main thing is it's made out of very heavy reinforced concrete and we used 42 school buses that are buried there to form an inside shell for it over to the top of the, concrete then we have, from 14 feet to five feet of earth it's really a nuclear bunker a... | Well we used school buses to. form the, bunker, But really it - the, main thing is it's made out, of very heavy reinforced concrete And. we used 42 school buses that are buried there to form, an inside shell for it Over to the top of the concrete then we have from, 14 feet, to, five, feet of earth It's really a nuclear... | well, we used school buses to form the bunker. but really, it - the main thing is it's made out of very heavy reinforced concrete. and we used 42 school buses that are buried there to form an inside shell for it. over to the top of the concrete then, we have from 14 feet to five feet of earth. it's really a nuclear bun... |
So what was everyone worried about 11 years ago? Why was Y2K even a problem? Computer consultant Peter Weiss joined us then by phone. He was not holed up in a school bus bunker, but he was locked down in a hotel, in what they call the frozen zone of New York's Times Square, to explain the issue. | so what was everyone worried about. 11 years ago? why was y2k even a problem? computer consultant peter weiss joined us then by phone he was not; holed up in a school bus bunker but he was locked down in a, hotel, in what they call the frozen zone of new york's times square. to; explain the | So what was everyone worried about 11 years ago? Why was Y2K even a problem? Computer consultant Peter Weiss joined. us then by phone He was not holed up in a school bus bunker but he was locked down in a, hotel in what. they call the frozen zone, of, New York's Times Square to explain. the, | so what was everyone worried about 11 years ago? why was y2k even a problem? computer consultant peter weiss joined us then by phone. he was not holed up in a school bus bunker, but he was locked down in a hotel, in what they call the frozen zone of new york's times square, to explain the issue. |
Computers began selling on a large scale basis in the late 1960s. Many companies bought large computers. And at that time IBM was the totally dominant company in mainframes. And computers did not have the same exact capabilities in terms of memory storage, disk storage, as they have now. In order to conserve space, and... | computers began selling on a large scale basis in the late 1960s many companies bought large computers; and at that time ibm was the totally dominant, company in mainframes and. computers. did not have the same exact capabilities in terms of memory, storage disk. storage as they have now; in order, to conserve space an... | Computers began selling, on a large scale basis in. the late 1960s Many companies bought large computers And at that time. IBM was the totally dominant company in mainframes. And computers did not have. the same exact capabilities in terms of memory storage disk storage as they have now In order to. conserve space and.... | computers began selling on a large scale basis in the late 1960s. many companies bought large computers. and at that time ibm was the totally dominant company in mainframes. and computers did not have the same exact capabilities in terms of memory storage, disk storage, as they have now. in order to conserve space, and... |
To give you an example, if you try to calculate the date between 1999 and 1998, you subtract 99 minus 98, and you have exactly one year. If you go to the year 0-0 minus 1998 - minus 98 - you end up with minus 98. How does the computer deal with it? | to. give, you an example if you try to. calculate the date between 1999 and 1998, you subtract 99 minus 98, and you have exactly one year if you go to the year 0-0 minus 1998 - minus 98 - you end up with minus 98. how does the computer deal with | To give you, an example if you try. to calculate the date, between 1999 and, 1998, you subtract 99 minus 98, and you have exactly one, year. If, you go, to the year 0-0 minus 1998 - minus 98 - you end up with minus 98. How does the, computer deal with | to give you an example, if you try to calculate the date between 1999 and 1998, you subtract 99 minus 98, and you have exactly one year. if you go to the year 0-0 minus 1998 - minus 98 - you end up with minus 98. how does the computer deal with it? |
Because all these larger companies have written - banks, brokerage houses, utilities - have written millions and billions lines of code in - oh, I don't know - 10, 15 thousand different languages, predominantly in COBOL, in PL/I and others, they used the shorter version. And they have so much money invested in those pr... | because all these larger companies have; written - banks brokerage houses utilities - have written. millions and. billions lines of code in - oh i don't know - 10, 15 thousand different languages predominantly in cobol. in pl/i and others. they used the shorter version and they have so much money; invested in those pro... | Because. all these. larger companies have written - banks brokerage houses utilities - have written millions and billions lines of code in - oh I don't know - 10, 15 thousand different languages predominantly in COBOL in PL/I and others. they used the shorter version And they have so much money invested in those progra... | because all these larger companies have written - banks, brokerage houses, utilities - have written millions and billions lines of code in - oh, i don't know - 10, 15 thousand different languages, predominantly in cobol, in pl/i and others, they used the shorter version. and they have so much money invested in those pr... |
For example, one large utility company here in Manhattan had programs going all the way back to 1960 COBOL programs, and they had lost some of the source code for their original programs, which were running fine. In order to verify that those programs are working, they would have had to find the original source code an... | for example one large utility company here. in manhattan had programs going all, the way back to 1960 cobol programs and they had lost some of the source code for their original programs which were running fine. in order to verify that those programs. are working they would have had to find, the original source code an... | For example one large utility company here in Manhattan had programs going all the way back to 1960 COBOL programs and they had lost some of the source code for their original programs which were running fine In, order to verify that those programs are working they would have had to find the original source code and ch... | for example, one large utility company here in manhattan had programs going all the way back to 1960 cobol programs, and they had lost some of the source code for their original programs, which were running fine. in order to verify that those programs are working, they would have had to find the original source code an... |
But the main problem is, again, people have invested millions and billions of dollars in the original, what's called, legacy systems, the systems that surround those companies. Citibank, for example, has banks and business all around the globe. They have - oh, I don't know, several billion lines of code all across the ... | but. the main problem is again people have invested millions and billions of dollars in, the original, what's called legacy systems the systems that surround those companies citibank for example has banks and business all around. the globe they, have - oh i don't know several billion lines of code all across the, world... | But the main problem is again. people. have invested millions and billions of dollars. in the original what's called legacy systems the systems, that surround, those companies Citibank for example has banks and, business all around the globe They have - oh I don't know several billion lines of code all across the world... | but the main problem is, again, people have invested millions and billions of dollars in the original, what's called, legacy systems, the systems that surround those companies. citibank, for example, has banks and business all around the globe. they have - oh, i don't know, several billion lines of code all across the ... |
And in order to correct all of that, it took quite a large effort. And you cannot throw all the old computers out into one - especially with the large processing power - and replace them with newer computers that don't have the same problem. | and in order to correct all of that it, took quite a large effort and you cannot throw all the old computers out into one - especially with the large; processing power - and replace them with newer computers that don't have the same | And in order to correct all of that it took quite a large effort And you cannot throw all the old computers out into one, - especially with the large processing, power - and replace them with newer computers that don't have the same | and in order to correct all of that, it took quite a large effort. and you cannot throw all the old computers out into one - especially with the large processing power - and replace them with newer computers that don't have the same problem. |
So you're saying, basically, that there are companies that have millions of lines of code, even billions of lines of code scattered around the world that's old code, it has to be changed, and it's very, very expensive to do that. | so you're saying. basically that there are companies that have millions of lines; of code. even, billions of lines of code scattered around the world that's old code it has to be; changed. and it's very very expensive; to, do | So you're saying basically that there are companies that have millions of lines of code even billions, of lines of. code scattered around the world that's old. code it has to, be changed and it's very very expensive to do | so you're saying, basically, that there are companies that have millions of lines of code, even billions of lines of code scattered around the world that's old code, it has to be changed, and it's very, very expensive to do that. |
Well, when you change a line of code in the computer, you affect many other things at the same time. And everything that you change - first, you have to find the right place to change, and dates are represented in multiple different ways in computers, different tag names for the dates. And once you find them, you have ... | well when you change a line of; code in. the computer you, affect, many other things at the same time, and everything that you, change - first you have to find, the. right place to change and dates are represented in, multiple different ways, in computers different tag names for the dates and once you find them you hav... | Well when you change a line of code. in the computer you affect many, other things at the same time, And everything that; you change - first you have to, find the right place to change and dates are represented. in multiple different ways in computers different tag names for the dates And once you find them you have. t... | well, when you change a line of code in the computer, you affect many other things at the same time. and everything that you change - first, you have to find the right place to change, and dates are represented in multiple different ways in computers, different tag names for the dates. and once you find them, you have ... |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
...test each program thoroughly individually and also in the context of the entire subsystem that you're testing. | ...test each. program thoroughly. individually and also in the context of the entire subsystem, that you're | ...test each program thoroughly, individually and also. in the context of the. entire subsystem that you're | ...test each program thoroughly individually and also in the context of the entire subsystem that you're testing. |
That's computer consultant Peter Weiss, telling us back in 1999 what the real problem - what we were fearful of. Well, we knew that there - some countries around the world had already entered - seen the dawn of the year 2000. So we checked in with them. | that's computer consultant peter weiss telling us back in 1999 what the, real problem - what we were. fearful of well we knew that there - some countries around the world had already entered - seen the. dawn of the year 2000. so, we checked in. with | That's, computer consultant. Peter Weiss telling us back. in 1999 what the real problem - what we. were fearful of Well we knew that there - some countries. around the world had already entered - seen the dawn of the year 2000. So we checked in, with | that's computer consultant peter weiss, telling us back in 1999 what the real problem - what we were fearful of. well, we knew that there - some countries around the world had already entered - seen the dawn of the year 2000. so we checked in with them. |
Let's go to Australia. It's been about 2000 for six hours in Canberra. And joining me now from there is Senator Ian Campbell, the parliamentary secretary to the minister for Communications and Information Technology. | let's go to. australia it's been about 2000 for six, hours in canberra and joining me now from there is senator, ian campbell the parliamentary secretary. to the minister for communications. and information | Let's go to Australia, It's been about 2000 for six, hours in, Canberra And joining me now from there is Senator. Ian Campbell the parliamentary secretary to the minister for. Communications and Information | let's go to australia. it's been about 2000 for six hours in canberra. and joining me now from there is senator ian campbell, the parliamentary secretary to the minister for communications and information technology. |
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