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Well, there's been a lot of noise about leaks of classified information during the Trump administration. Some of those leaks have damaged the White House. Sessions said today that the DOJ currently has 27 open investigations into leaks, and that compares to what he said was nine open in the last three years. | well there's been, a lot of noise about leaks of classified information during the trump administration some of those leaks have, damaged the white house sessions said today that the doj currently has 27 open investigations into leaks and that compares to, what he said was nine. open in the last three | Well, there's. been a, lot of noise about leaks of classified information. during the, Trump administration Some of those leaks have damaged the White House Sessions said today that the DOJ currently, has 27 open investigations into leaks and that compares to what, he. said was nine open in the last three. | well, there's been a lot of noise about leaks of classified information during the trump administration. some of those leaks have damaged the white house. sessions said today that the doj currently has 27 open investigations into leaks, and that compares to what he said was nine open in the last three years. |
NPR's Ryan Lucas. Ryan, thanks. | npr's ryan lucas ryan | NPR's Ryan Lucas Ryan | npr's ryan lucas. ryan, thanks. |
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You're going to hear a lot of this kind of wordplay today. The Republican health care plan is on life support. It could be on its last breath, all that stuff. But it really is an important moment for the promise by Republicans to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare. | you're going to hear, a lot of this kind of wordplay, today the republican health. care plan is on life support, it could be on its. last breath all that stuff but it really is an. important moment for, the promise. by republicans to repeal and replace the affordable care act or | You're. going to hear a lot of this kind of wordplay today The Republican health care, plan. is on life support It could be on its last breath all that stuff But it really is; an important moment for the promise by Republicans, to repeal, and replace. the Affordable Care Act, or | you're going to hear a lot of this kind of wordplay today. the republican health care plan is on life support. it could be on its last breath, all that stuff. but it really is an important moment for the promise by republicans to repeal and replace the affordable care act, or obamacare. |
President Trump and House Republican leaders have spent most of this week trying to cajole and strong arm their members to support the bill - to little gain. Yesterday, representatives of various factions of the Republican caucus remained opposed to the proposed bill. | president. trump and house republican leaders, have spent most of this week, trying to cajole and strong arm their members to support the bill - to little gain yesterday representatives of various factions, of the republican caucus remained opposed to the proposed | President Trump and House Republican leaders have spent most of this, week trying to cajole and strong arm their members to support the bill - to little gain Yesterday representatives of various; factions of, the Republican caucus remained opposed to the proposed | president trump and house republican leaders have spent most of this week trying to cajole and strong arm their members to support the bill - to little gain. yesterday, representatives of various factions of the republican caucus remained opposed to the proposed bill. |
So joining me now in the studio is NPR health policy correspondent Alison Kodjak to talk about what is actually in this bill because, Alison, it has changed an awful lot over the course of the past week. Right? | so joining me now in the, studio is npr health policy correspondent alison kodjak to talk about what is actually in this bill. because alison it has changed an awful lot over the course of, the past week | So joining me now in the studio is NPR health policy correspondent Alison Kodjak to talk about what is actually in this bill because Alison it has changed an; awful lot over the course. of the past week | so joining me now in the studio is npr health policy correspondent alison kodjak to talk about what is actually in this bill because, alison, it has changed an awful lot over the course of the past week. right? |
It sure has. | it sure | It sure | it sure has. |
Where do we stand now? | where do; we stand | Where do we. stand | where do we stand now? |
Well - so the basic framework remains the same. It's the bill that basically gets rid of the individual mandate so people don't have to own health insurance. It replaces the Obamacare combo of income-based subsidies and tax credits with a single, fixed tax credit based on your age. | well, - so the basic framework remains the same it's. the bill that basically gets rid of the individual mandate so people. don't have. to own health insurance it replaces the obamacare combo of income-based, subsidies and tax credits with, a single fixed tax credit based on your | Well - so the basic framework remains the same It's the bill that basically gets rid of, the individual mandate so people don't have to own health insurance It replaces the Obamacare combo. of income-based; subsidies and tax. credits with a single fixed tax credit based on your. | well - so the basic framework remains the same. it's the bill that basically gets rid of the individual mandate so people don't have to own health insurance. it replaces the obamacare combo of income-based subsidies and tax credits with a single, fixed tax credit based on your age. |
But there are big changes to Medicaid, and that's one of the sticking points. It really reduces spending on Medicaid over the long term that will essentially amount to less money for health care and fewer people getting coverage. And then finally, last night, the change that will be coming today in an actual legislativ... | but there are big changes to medicaid and. that's one of the sticking points it really reduces spending on medicaid over the long term that will essentially amount, to less money for health care and fewer people getting coverage and then finally last night. the change. that will be coming today in an actual, legislativ... | But there are big changes, to Medicaid and that's one of the sticking points It really reduces spending on Medicaid over the long term that will essentially, amount to less money for health care and fewer. people getting coverage And then finally last. night the change that will be coming today in an actual legislative... | but there are big changes to medicaid, and that's one of the sticking points. it really reduces spending on medicaid over the long term that will essentially amount to less money for health care and fewer people getting coverage. and then finally, last night, the change that will be coming today in an actual legislativ... |
So let's talk more about what those essential benefits are. So this is something that became federally mandated under the Affordable Care Act. It's just, like, a baseline of things that all insurance companies have to provide? | so let's talk more about what those essential benefits are so this is something. that became federally mandated under the affordable care act it's just like a baseline; of things that all, insurance companies have to | So let's talk more about what those essential benefits are So this. is something that became federally. mandated under the Affordable Care Act It's just like a baseline of things. that all insurance companies, have to | so let's talk more about what those essential benefits are. so this is something that became federally mandated under the affordable care act. it's just, like, a baseline of things that all insurance companies have to provide? |
It is. It's a floor. And it's a pretty high floor. I mean, it - there's a list of 10 things, you know, areas of coverage in the language. They range from hospitalization and doctors' visits, your obvious, to maternity care, mental health care - any number of things and then... | it is it's a floor and it's a pretty, high floor i mean it - there's, a list of 10 things you know areas of coverage in, the language they range from hospitalization, and. doctors' visits your, obvious to maternity care mental health care - any number of things and | It is It's a floor And it's a pretty high floor I mean it - there's a list of 10 things you know areas of coverage in the. language. They range from hospitalization and doctors' visits your obvious to maternity care mental health care - any number of things, and | it is. it's a floor. and it's a pretty high floor. i mean, it - there's a list of 10 things, you know, areas of coverage in the language. they range from hospitalization and doctors' visits, your obvious, to maternity care, mental health care - any number of things and then... |
Some prescription drugs... | some prescription | Some prescription | some prescription drugs... |
Prescription drugs, yeah. And then under that, the regulations by the Department of Health and Human Services sort of lists very specifically what has to be covered. | prescription drugs yeah and then under. that the regulations by the, department of health and human services sort of lists very specifically what has. to be | Prescription; drugs yeah And then under that the regulations, by the Department of Health and Human Services sort of lists very specifically what has to be | prescription drugs, yeah. and then under that, the regulations by the department of health and human services sort of lists very specifically what has to be covered. |
Conservatives - they don't like this because they call it Washington dictating what you have to buy. And... | conservatives - they don't like. this because. they call it washington dictating, what you have to buy | Conservatives - they, don't like this because they call it Washington dictating what you have to buy | conservatives - they don't like this because they call it washington dictating what you have to buy. and... |
So they want this to go back to the states. States can decide what kind of baseline they want. | so they want. this to go back to the states states can decide; what kind of baseline they | So they want, this to. go back to the states States can decide what kind of baseline they | so they want this to go back to the states. states can decide what kind of baseline they want. |
Right. And that's what they changed last night. They got rid of it out of the federal bill. They want it to go back to the states. And, you know... | right and, that's what they changed last night they got rid of. it out of the federal, bill they; want it to go back to the states and you | Right And that's what they changed last night They got, rid of it out of the federal. bill They want it, to go back to the states And you | right. and that's what they changed last night. they got rid of it out of the federal bill. they want it to go back to the states. and, you know... |
This was supposed to satisfy conservatives in the House who say that this bill isn't actually a full repeal of Obamacare and it still doesn't do enough to lower premiums. | this was supposed to satisfy conservatives in the house. who say that this bill isn't actually a. full repeal of obamacare and, it still doesn't do enough to lower | This was supposed, to satisfy conservatives in the House who say that this bill. isn't actually a full repeal of Obamacare and it still, doesn't do, enough to lower | this was supposed to satisfy conservatives in the house who say that this bill isn't actually a full repeal of obamacare and it still doesn't do enough to lower premiums. |
Exactly. And we'll see. I mean, some of those members, the most conservative, probably have come toward the bill. The problem is once you do that, you get rid of a lot of protections for people and the insurance. And so some of the more moderate Republicans may be falling off on the other end. | exactly and we'll see i mean some of those members the, most, conservative probably have come toward the bill. the problem is once you do that you get rid of a lot of protections for people and the insurance. and so some of the more. moderate republicans may be falling off on the other | Exactly And we'll, see I mean some of those members the, most conservative probably have come toward the bill The problem, is once you do that you get, rid of a lot of protections for people and the insurance And. so some of the more, moderate Republicans may be falling off on the other | exactly. and we'll see. i mean, some of those members, the most conservative, probably have come toward the bill. the problem is once you do that, you get rid of a lot of protections for people and the insurance. and so some of the more moderate republicans may be falling off on the other end. |
Especially on the Senate side, if it gets that far. So... | especially on the senate side if it gets that. far | Especially on the Senate side if it gets that far | especially on the senate side, if it gets that far. so... |
Right. | right. | ||
Let's talk - we've talked an awful lot about where the dividing lines are in Washington on this bill. But what's the conversation like outside of Congress, outside of Washington? Lobbying groups, doctors - what kind of support does this bill have? | let's talk - we've talked an awful lot about where the dividing lines are in washington on this bill but what's the conversation like outside of congress outside of washington? lobbying groups doctors - what kind of support does this bill | Let's. talk - we've talked an awful lot about where the dividing lines are, in Washington, on this bill But what's the conversation like outside of Congress outside of Washington? Lobbying groups doctors - what kind of support does this bill | let's talk - we've talked an awful lot about where the dividing lines are in washington on this bill. but what's the conversation like outside of congress, outside of washington? lobbying groups, doctors - what kind of support does this bill have? |
Yeah, that's - I think that's one of the big problems. There's not a lot of support outside of Washington for this bill, at least among the organized groups. And that - you know, the American Medical Association has come out again against it, the American Hospital Association, any number of patients groups - the Lung A... | yeah that's - i think that's one of the big problems there's not a lot, of support outside of washington for this; bill at, least among the organized, groups and that - you know the american medical association has come out again against it the american hospital association any number of patients groups - the lung asso... | Yeah that's - I think that's one of, the big problems There's not a lot of support outside of Washington for this bill at least among the organized groups And that, - you know the. American Medical Association, has come, out again against it. the American Hospital Association any. number of patients groups - the Lung A... | yeah, that's - i think that's one of the big problems. there's not a lot of support outside of washington for this bill, at least among the organized groups. and that - you know, the american medical association has come out again against it, the american hospital association, any number of patients groups - the lung a... |
And a lot of governors don't like it either. People - it's hard for people to come out for a bill where people are going to lose insurance coverage. | and a lot of governors don't like it either people, - it's hard for people to come out for. a bill where people are going to lose insurance. | And a lot, of governors don't like it either People - it's hard for people to come out for a bill where people, are going to, lose insurance | and a lot of governors don't like it either. people - it's hard for people to come out for a bill where people are going to lose insurance coverage. |
Which the CBO has again indicated that more than 20 million Americans additionally will lose coverage under this plan. | which. the cbo. has again indicated that more than 20 million americans additionally will lose. coverage, under this | Which the CBO has again indicated that more than 20 million Americans additionally will lose coverage under this, | which the cbo has again indicated that more than 20 million americans additionally will lose coverage under this plan. |
Right. And they repeated that last night. | right and they, repeated that last | Right And, they repeated that last | right. and they repeated that last night. |
NPR health policy correspondent Alison Kodjak - thanks so much, Alison. | npr. health policy correspondent alison kodjak - thanks so much | NPR health policy; correspondent Alison Kodjak - thanks so much | npr health policy correspondent alison kodjak - thanks so much, alison. |
Thanks, Rachel. | thanks | Thanks, | thanks, rachel. |
Right now, it's one of the toughest word problems educators have to solve. What's the best way to teach mathematics to kids? For years, educators and administrators argued over methods, but this fall the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics unveiled new, more focused guidelines for elementary and middle school s... | right now it's. one of the toughest. word problems educators have to solve what's. the best way to teach mathematics to kids? for years. educators and administrators argued. over, methods but this fall the national, council of teachers of mathematics unveiled new more focused guidelines for elementary and middle, schoo... | Right now it's one of the toughest word problems educators have to solve What's the best way to teach mathematics, to kids? For years. educators and administrators argued over methods but this fall. the National Council, of Teachers of Mathematics unveiled new more focused guidelines for elementary and middle school | right now, it's one of the toughest word problems educators have to solve. what's the best way to teach mathematics to kids? for years, educators and administrators argued over methods, but this fall the national council of teachers of mathematics unveiled new, more focused guidelines for elementary and middle school s... |
The document, called Curriculum Focal Points, urges teachers to focus on three concepts in each grade and on a select few subjects instead of inundating students with too many concepts. We're going to talk with the president of National Council of Teachers of Mathematics in a moment. | the document called. curriculum. focal points urges, teachers to focus on three concepts, in each grade. and on a select few subjects instead of inundating students. with too many concepts we're going to talk with the president of national council. of teachers of mathematics in a, | The document. called Curriculum. Focal Points urges teachers to focus on. three concepts in each grade and on a select few subjects instead of inundating students with too many concepts We're going to talk with the president of National. Council of Teachers of Mathematics in a | the document, called curriculum focal points, urges teachers to focus on three concepts in each grade and on a select few subjects instead of inundating students with too many concepts. we're going to talk with the president of national council of teachers of mathematics in a moment. |
But first, let's get some context from Sean Cavanaugh. He's a math and science reporter for Education Week. Welcome to the program, Mr. Cavanaugh. | but first let's get some context from sean cavanaugh he's a math and science reporter for education week. welcome to the program mr | But first let's get some, context from Sean Cavanaugh He's a math and science; reporter for Education Week Welcome to, the program, Mr | but first, let's get some context from sean cavanaugh. he's a math and science reporter for education week. welcome to the program, mr. cavanaugh. |
Well, thank you for having me. | well thank you for having | Well thank you for having | well, thank you for having me. |
And we want to hear from listeners as well. Is your child struggling to learn too many concepts? How would you like to see the way we teach math changed? Our number here in Washington is 800-989-8255. That's 800-989-TALK. And the e-mail address is talk@npr.org. | and we want to hear from listeners as well is your child struggling to learn too many. concepts? how would you like to see the way we teach math changed? our number here in washington, is 800-989-8255. that's 800-989-talk and, the e-mail address, is | And we want to hear from, listeners. as. well Is your child struggling to learn too many concepts? How would. you like to see the way we teach math changed? Our number here in Washington is 800-989-8255. That's 800-989-TALK And the e-mail, address is | and we want to hear from listeners as well. is your child struggling to learn too many concepts? how would you like to see the way we teach math changed? our number here in washington is 800-989-8255. that's 800-989-talk. and the e-mail address is talk@npr.org. |
So Mr. Cavanaugh, what does the typical math curriculum look like now? | so mr cavanaugh what does, the. typical math curriculum look like | So Mr Cavanaugh what does. the typical math. curriculum look like, | so mr. cavanaugh, what does the typical math curriculum look like now? |
If yesterday was a national holiday dedicated to turkey, the symbol today should be a credit card. Amid all those shoppers though crowding in the stores, a few people are saying enough. | if yesterday was a national holiday dedicated to turkey the symbol today should be. a credit card amid all those shoppers though crowding in the stores. a few, people. are saying | If yesterday was a. national holiday dedicated to, turkey the symbol today should be a credit card Amid all those shoppers though crowding in the stores a few people are saying; | if yesterday was a national holiday dedicated to turkey, the symbol today should be a credit card. amid all those shoppers though crowding in the stores, a few people are saying enough. |
A lot to people have bought into seatbelts, for example, and we're willing to pay extra for airbags, but would you take away the keys from your elderly relative? Would you force motorcyclists to wear helmets? Will you really not answer your cell phone while you're driving? Will you limit yourself to one beer and be the... | a lot to people have bought into. seatbelts, for example and we're willing to pay. extra for airbags. but, would you. take, away the keys from your elderly relative? would you force motorcyclists to wear. helmets? will you really not answer your cell phone, while you're driving? will you limit yourself to one, beer, an... | A lot to, people have bought into seatbelts for example and. we're willing, to pay extra for airbags but would you take away the keys from your elderly relative? Would you force motorcyclists to wear; helmets? Will you really not answer your cell phone while you're driving? Will you limit yourself to one beer. and be. ... | a lot to people have bought into seatbelts, for example, and we're willing to pay extra for airbags, but would you take away the keys from your elderly relative? would you force motorcyclists to wear helmets? will you really not answer your cell phone while you're driving? will you limit yourself to one beer and be the... |
And later in this hour, Dr. Queue will join us, just in time for Black Friday with tips on what to do while we are standing on those long lines at the stores, but first traffic safety. And let me reintroduce NPR senior business editor Marilyn Geewax, who is overseeing that �On The Road To Safety� series. As you look at... | and, later in this. hour dr queue will join us, just in time for black friday, with tips, on what, to do while we are standing on those long lines. at the stores but first traffic safety and let me reintroduce npr senior business, editor marilyn geewax who is overseeing that �on the road to; safety� series as, you look... | And, later in this hour Dr Queue will join us just in time for Black Friday with tips on what to do while we. are standing on those long lines at the stores but. first traffic safety And let me reintroduce NPR senior business editor Marilyn Geewax. who is overseeing, that �On The Road To Safety� series As you, look at ... | and later in this hour, dr. queue will join us, just in time for black friday with tips on what to do while we are standing on those long lines at the stores, but first traffic safety. and let me reintroduce npr senior business editor marilyn geewax, who is overseeing that �on the road to safety� series. as you look at... |
Every - at every point, it's basically a trade-off. We know what can make roads safer. We know that roads would be safer if everyone under 25 did not drive. We know the roads would be safer if we took the keys away from everyone who is over 75, just statistically these are true. It's also clear that if we spent a whole... | every - at every point it's. basically, a trade-off we know what can make roads safer we know that roads would. be safer if everyone under 25 did not drive we know the roads, would be safer if we took the keys away from everyone who is over 75, just statistically these are true it's; also clear that if we spent a whole... | Every - at every point it's basically a, trade-off We know what can make, roads, safer We know that roads would be. safer if everyone under 25 did not drive We know the roads would be safer if we took the keys away from everyone who is over 75, just statistically these are true It's. also clear that if. we spent a whol... | every - at every point, it's basically a trade-off. we know what can make roads safer. we know that roads would be safer if everyone under 25 did not drive. we know the roads would be safer if we took the keys away from everyone who is over 75, just statistically these are true. it's also clear that if we spent a whole... |
And a lot of people are going to say, hey, wait a minute, I know somebody who's 85 and drives beautifully. | and a lot of people. are going to say hey wait a minute i know somebody, who's 85 and drives | And a lot of people are going to say hey wait a minute I know somebody who's 85 and drives | and a lot of people are going to say, hey, wait a minute, i know somebody who's 85 and drives beautifully. |
Right. And that's what - that's the human element, that you can't just look at this entirely as a matter of statistics. There are exceptions, there are human beings, there are, you know, 19-year-olds who are perfectly fine drivers. So we've got to try to sort out, how can we cut down on the things that really are probl... | right and that's what - that's the human. element that you can't just look at this entirely as a matter of statistics there are exceptions there are human beings there are you know 19-year-olds who are perfectly fine, drivers so we've got. to try to sort out how can we cut down on the things that really are. problems y... | Right, And that's what - that's; the human element that you can't just look at this, entirely as a matter, of. statistics There are exceptions there are human beings. there. are you know 19-year-olds who are perfectly fine drivers So we've got to try to sort. out how can we cut down on the things that really are proble... | right. and that's what - that's the human element, that you can't just look at this entirely as a matter of statistics. there are exceptions, there are human beings, there are, you know, 19-year-olds who are perfectly fine drivers. so we've got to try to sort out, how can we cut down on the things that really are probl... |
Let's get some listeners involved in the conversation because this is about you. What are you willing to sacrifice? 800-98-8255. Email is talk@npr.org. And let's start with Vernon(ph). Vernon with us from Oakland. | let's get some listeners involved in. the conversation because this is about you. what are you willing to sacrifice? 800-98-8255. email is talk@npr.org and let's start with vernon(ph). vernon with us from | Let's get some listeners involved in the conversation because, this is about; you What are you willing to sacrifice? 800-98-8255. Email is talk@npr.org And let's start with Vernon(ph). Vernon with us, from | let's get some listeners involved in the conversation because this is about you. what are you willing to sacrifice? 800-98-8255. email is talk@npr.org. and let's start with vernon(ph). vernon with us from oakland. |
Hi. Thank you. Yeah, I don't think I am willing to - changing much. It seems to me that if you're going to drive, you are taking a risk. Anytime you drive, you will take a risk. Forty thousand people die on the freeways and highways of our country every year. You are not going to eliminate risk by scheming to repress p... | hi thank you yeah i don't think i am willing to - changing much it seems to me that if you're, going to drive you are taking a risk anytime you drive you will take a risk forty thousand people die on the freeways. and highways of our country every year; you are not going to eliminate risk by, scheming to repress | Hi Thank you Yeah I, don't think I am willing to - changing much It seems to me that if you're going to drive you are taking a risk Anytime you drive you will take. a risk Forty thousand people die on. the freeways and highways of our country every year You are not going to eliminate. risk by scheming to repress | hi. thank you. yeah, i don't think i am willing to - changing much. it seems to me that if you're going to drive, you are taking a risk. anytime you drive, you will take a risk. forty thousand people die on the freeways and highways of our country every year. you are not going to eliminate risk by scheming to repress p... |
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You know, on the issue of what are these trade-offs, you know, the government statistics suggest that about 15,000 people a year, their lives are saved just by wearing seatbelts. So, you're still getting what - where you want to go. You're not being told you can't drive, but if you simply put on a seatbelt, we can save... | you know on the issue of what are, these trade-offs you know. the. government statistics, suggest that about. 15,000 people a. year, their lives are saved just by wearing seatbelts so you're still getting what - where you want to go. you're not being told, you can't drive but if you simply put on a seatbelt we can save... | You know on the issue of what are these trade-offs you know the government statistics suggest that about 15,000 people a year. their lives are saved just by wearing seatbelts. So, you're still getting what - where you want to; go You're not being told you can't drive but if you simply. put on a seatbelt we can save 15,... | you know, on the issue of what are these trade-offs, you know, the government statistics suggest that about 15,000 people a year, their lives are saved just by wearing seatbelts. so, you're still getting what - where you want to go. you're not being told you can't drive, but if you simply put on a seatbelt, we can save... |
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Right. But, you know, what you have to try to get to is, what is - what are the reasonable trade-offs? For example, the speed limit. We know that more lives will be saved if we all drove 55, but that's not a number that most people like. People want to drive 65, so we're willing to trade-off a lot of lives every year j... | right but you know what you have to try to get to is what is, - what are the. reasonable trade-offs? for example the speed limit we know that more lives will be saved if we all drove 55, but that's not a number that most people like people want to drive 65, so we're willing to trade-off a lot of lives every year just t... | Right But you know what you have to try to get to is what is - what are the reasonable trade-offs? For example, the speed limit; We know that more, lives will be; saved if; we all drove, 55, but that's not a number that most people like People want to drive 65, so we're willing to, trade-off a lot of lives every year j... | right. but, you know, what you have to try to get to is, what is - what are the reasonable trade-offs? for example, the speed limit. we know that more lives will be saved if we all drove 55, but that's not a number that most people like. people want to drive 65, so we're willing to trade-off a lot of lives every year j... |
Vernon, thanks very much for the phone call. As we think about this, 35,000 people a year - between 35 and 40,000� | vernon thanks very much for, the phone call as we. think about this 35,000 people a year - between 35 and | Vernon thanks very much for the phone call As we think about this 35,000 people a year - between 35 and | vernon, thanks very much for the phone call. as we think about this, 35,000 people a year - between 35 and 40,000� |
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The way I think of it is, you know, you think of how awful September 11th was, when we had terrorist attacks and that was about 3,000 people died. This is more than 10 times a September 11th terrorist attack, every year, year after year. And yet, we sort of accept it because, as you say, it's a little here, it's a litt... | the way i think of it is you know you think of how, awful september 11th was when we had terrorist attacks and that was about. 3,000 people died this is more than, 10 times a september 11th terrorist attack every, year year after year and yet we sort of accept it because as you, say it's, a little here it's a little th... | The way I think of it, is you know you think of how. awful September 11th was when, we had terrorist attacks and that was about, 3,000 people died This is more than. 10 times a September 11th terrorist attack, every year year after year And yet, we sort of accept it because as you say it's a little, here it's a little ... | the way i think of it is, you know, you think of how awful september 11th was, when we had terrorist attacks and that was about 3,000 people died. this is more than 10 times a september 11th terrorist attack, every year, year after year. and yet, we sort of accept it because, as you say, it's a little here, it's a litt... |
Let's see if we get another caller in. This is Robin(ph). Robin with us from Lake Tahoe. | let's see; if we, get another caller in this is robin(ph). robin with us from lake | Let's see if we get. another caller in This is Robin(ph). Robin with us from Lake | let's see if we get another caller in. this is robin(ph). robin with us from lake tahoe. |
Hi. Thanks for letting me respond to that question because actually I have a very personal experience in this regard. About 20 years ago - I'm a mobile veterinarian in the Bay Area - and I had a head on collision with an 83-year-old woman in 1989, who had a legal driver's license, but she was so visually impaired, midd... | hi thanks for letting me; respond to that question because actually i have a very personal. experience in this regard about 20 years ago, - i'm a mobile veterinarian in the bay area - and i had a head on collision. with an 83-year-old, woman in 1989, who had a legal driver's license but she was so visually impaired mid... | Hi Thanks for letting; me respond to, that question. because actually I have a very personal experience in this regard About 20 years ago - I'm a mobile veterinarian in the, Bay Area - and I had a head on collision with an, 83-year-old woman in 1989, who. had. a legal driver's license but she was so visually impaired m... | hi. thanks for letting me respond to that question because actually i have a very personal experience in this regard. about 20 years ago - i'm a mobile veterinarian in the bay area - and i had a head on collision with an 83-year-old woman in 1989, who had a legal driver's license, but she was so visually impaired, midd... |
State Sen. JOYCE: It's really something that the states are going to have to address in much larger numbers as the baby boomers age, because, you know, another factor here is that families have a lot of mobility these days. I mean, it's very typical for children to live nowhere near their parents, or nieces and nephews... | state sen joyce: it's really something that the states are going to. have to address in much larger numbers as the baby boomers age because. you know another factor here is, that families have a lot of mobility; these days, i mean it's; very typical for children to live, nowhere near their parents or nieces and nephews... | State Sen JOYCE: It's really something that the states, are going to have to, address in much larger numbers as the baby boomers age. because you know another factor here is that families have a lot of mobility these days I mean it's very typical for children to live nowhere near their parents or nieces and nephews and... | state sen. joyce: it's really something that the states are going to have to address in much larger numbers as the baby boomers age, because, you know, another factor here is that families have a lot of mobility these days. i mean, it's very typical for children to live nowhere near their parents, or nieces and nephews... |
Well, can I just comment about that? I lived in California, and my elderly relative lived in Connecticut, but I still made the effort. And I found resources for her so that she did not have to be primarily behind the wheel. | well can i just comment about that? i lived in california and my elderly. relative lived in connecticut but i still made the effort and i found resources, for her. so. that she, did not have to be primarily behind the | Well can I just comment about that? I lived in California and my elderly relative lived in Connecticut but I still made the effort And I found resources for her so that she did not have; to be primarily behind the | well, can i just comment about that? i lived in california, and my elderly relative lived in connecticut, but i still made the effort. and i found resources for her so that she did not have to be primarily behind the wheel. |
Well, I was fortunate in that my aunt was in Florida, where they actually made it relatively easy, and even that was quite an ordeal. So it depends on the state, but just across the board, it seems like this is an issue that we're going to have to deal with a lot more in coming decades. | well i was fortunate in that. my aunt was in florida where they actually made it relatively easy and even that was quite an, ordeal; so it, depends on the state but just across the board it seems like this. is an issue that we're going to have to deal with. a lot more in coming | Well I was fortunate in that my aunt was in Florida where they actually made it relatively easy and even that was quite an ordeal So it depends on the state but, just across the board it seems like this, is an issue that we're going, to have to deal with a lot more in coming | well, i was fortunate in that my aunt was in florida, where they actually made it relatively easy, and even that was quite an ordeal. so it depends on the state, but just across the board, it seems like this is an issue that we're going to have to deal with a lot more in coming decades. |
Thanks very much for the call, Robin. Let's see if we can go next to - this is Jerry(ph). Jerry with us from O'Fallon in Missouri. | thanks very, much for the call robin let's see if we can go next to - this is jerry(ph). jerry with us from o'fallon in | Thanks very much for the call Robin Let's see if we can go next to - this is. Jerry(ph). Jerry with us from O'Fallon. in | thanks very much for the call, robin. let's see if we can go next to - this is jerry(ph). jerry with us from o'fallon in missouri. |
Good afternoon. Yes, this is a sore spot with me. My first thing I'd say that I would gladly take public transportation, but as you know in this country, it's not very widely available. | good afternoon yes, this is a sore spot with me my first thing, i'd say that i would gladly take, public transportation but as you, know in this country it's. not very widely | Good afternoon Yes this is a sore spot with me My first thing, I'd say that I; would gladly take public transportation but as you know in this country it's not very widely; | good afternoon. yes, this is a sore spot with me. my first thing i'd say that i would gladly take public transportation, but as you know in this country, it's not very widely available. |
Having spent many years in the airline business, you know, if a Boeing 767 crashed every other day, I think we'd probably see some kind of action on part of - and a clamor for action, but as you said, it's a person here, a couple people there. | having spent many years in the airline business you know if a boeing 767 crashed every other day i think we'd probably see some kind of action on part of - and a clamor for action but as you said it's, a person here a couple people | Having spent many. years in the airline business you know if a Boeing 767 crashed every other day I think we'd, probably see some kind of action on part of - and a clamor for action but as you said it's a person here a couple people | having spent many years in the airline business, you know, if a boeing 767 crashed every other day, i think we'd probably see some kind of action on part of - and a clamor for action, but as you said, it's a person here, a couple people there. |
But also coming from that industry, I think the big thing for operators is to test proficiency. We have such technology available now that, you know, simulation, driving simulation, would be relatively inexpensive. And there are a lot of people on the road that have never - as an example, my father, in his 80s, at that... | but also coming from that industry i think the big thing for operators is to test proficiency we have, such technology available now, that you know simulation driving simulation would be; relatively inexpensive and there are a lot of people on the road that have never - as an, example. my father in his 80s at, that, ti... | But also; coming. from that industry I think the big thing for, operators is to test proficiency. We have such technology available now that you. know simulation driving simulation would be relatively inexpensive And there are a lot of people on the road that have never - as an example my father in his 80s at that time... | but also coming from that industry, i think the big thing for operators is to test proficiency. we have such technology available now that, you know, simulation, driving simulation, would be relatively inexpensive. and there are a lot of people on the road that have never - as an example, my father, in his 80s, at that... |
The whole infrastructure, yeah. | the whole infrastructure | The whole infrastructure | the whole infrastructure, yeah. |
And the suburbs have really spread even more. I mean, a generation or two ago, cities were more compact. Now, they're really spread out with exurbs, and that makes driving all the tougher. | and the suburbs have really spread even. more i mean, a generation or two ago cities were more compact. now they're really spread out with exurbs and that makes driving all the | And the, suburbs have really spread even, more I mean a generation or two, ago cities were more. compact Now they're really spread out with exurbs and that makes driving all the | and the suburbs have really spread even more. i mean, a generation or two ago, cities were more compact. now, they're really spread out with exurbs, and that makes driving all the tougher. |
A lot of places, there aren't even sidewalks. Jerry, thanks very much for the phone call. | a lot of places there aren't even sidewalks jerry. thanks very. much for the, phone | A lot of places there aren't even. sidewalks Jerry thanks very much for the phone | a lot of places, there aren't even sidewalks. jerry, thanks very much for the phone call. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
We're talking about making our roads safer today. It can be done, but what are we willing to give up to get there? Would you take away the keys from your elderly relative? Will you really not answer your cell phone while you're driving? Will we pay higher taxes to make our roads safer? | we're. talking about making our roads safer today it can be done but what are we willing, to give up to get there? would you take away the keys from your elderly relative? will you really. not answer your cell phone while you're driving? will we pay. higher taxes, to make our roads | We're; talking about, making our roads safer today It can be done but what are we willing to give up to, get. there? Would, you take away the keys from your elderly relative? Will you really not answer your cell phone while you're driving? Will we pay higher. taxes to make, our roads | we're talking about making our roads safer today. it can be done, but what are we willing to give up to get there? would you take away the keys from your elderly relative? will you really not answer your cell phone while you're driving? will we pay higher taxes to make our roads safer? |
Call us, 800-989-8255. Email talk@npr.org. Marilyn Geewax will continue with us. She's overseeing the On The Road to Safety series. Up next, the sponsor of a bill that would, among other things, require drivers over 75 to pass special exams. Stay with us. I'm Neal Conan. It's the TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | call us 800-989-8255. email. talk@npr.org marilyn geewax will continue with us she's overseeing the on the road to safety series up next the sponsor of; a bill that would among other things require drivers over 75 to pass special exams stay with us i'm, neal conan it's the talk of the, nation from npr | Call us 800-989-8255. Email, talk@npr.org Marilyn Geewax will, continue with us She's overseeing the On The Road to Safety series Up next the. sponsor of a bill that would among other things require drivers over 75 to pass special exams Stay; with us I'm Neal Conan It's the TALK OF THE NATION from NPR | call us, 800-989-8255. email talk@npr.org. marilyn geewax will continue with us. she's overseeing the on the road to safety series. up next, the sponsor of a bill that would, among other things, require drivers over 75 to pass special exams. stay with us. i'm neal conan. it's the talk of the nation from npr news. |
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This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Neal Conan in Washington. How do we make our roads safer? Well, seatbelts, for one. Most people killed in cars weren't wearing one. Motorcycle helmets also save lives if you wear them. | this is talk of the nation i'm neal conan in washington how. do we make our roads, safer? well seatbelts for one most people killed in cars weren't wearing one motorcycle helmets also save lives if you wear | This is TALK OF THE NATION I'm Neal, Conan in Washington How do we make our roads safer? Well seatbelts for one Most people killed in cars weren't wearing one Motorcycle helmets also save lives if you wear | this is talk of the nation. i'm neal conan in washington. how do we make our roads safer? well, seatbelts, for one. most people killed in cars weren't wearing one. motorcycle helmets also save lives if you wear them. |
Millions of people plan to hit the roads this week. We're talking about what you would give up to make those roads safer. Would you take away the keys from an elderly relative? Will you really not answer your cell phone while driving? Would we pay more in taxes to make our roads safer? | millions. of people plan to, hit the roads, this week we're talking about what you would give up to make those roads safer would you take. away the keys from an elderly relative? will you really not answer your cell phone while driving? would we pay more, in taxes to make. our roads | Millions of people plan to hit; the roads this week We're talking about what. you would give up to make. those roads safer, Would you take away the keys from an elderly relative? Will you really not answer your cell phone while driving? Would we pay more in taxes. to make our roads | millions of people plan to hit the roads this week. we're talking about what you would give up to make those roads safer. would you take away the keys from an elderly relative? will you really not answer your cell phone while driving? would we pay more in taxes to make our roads safer? |
Give us a call, 800-989-8255. Email us, talk@npr.org. You can also join the conversation on our Web site. That's at npr.org. Just click on TALK OF THE NATION. | give us a call 800-989-8255. email us talk@npr.org you; can also join the conversation on our web site that's at npr.org just click on talk of the. | Give us a, call 800-989-8255. Email us talk@npr.org You can also join the conversation on our Web site That's at npr.org Just click on TALK OF THE; | give us a call, 800-989-8255. email us, talk@npr.org. you can also join the conversation on our web site. that's at npr.org. just click on talk of the nation. |
Our guest is Marilyn Geewax. She's overseeing NPR's On the Road to Safety series as its editor. And now we go to Brian Joyce, a lawmaker in Massachusetts, who's considering a bill that would require drivers age 75 and older to pass a series of tests in order to keep their driver's license. It would also provide civil i... | our guest is marilyn geewax. she's overseeing npr's on the road to. safety series as its editor and now. we go to brian joyce a lawmaker in massachusetts who's considering. a bill that would require drivers age 75 and older to pass a series of tests, in order to keep. their driver's license it would also provide civil ... | Our guest is Marilyn Geewax She's overseeing NPR's On, the Road to Safety series as its editor And. now we go to Brian Joyce a lawmaker in Massachusetts who's considering a bill that would require drivers age 75 and older to pass a series of tests in order to keep their driver's license It would also provide civil immu... | our guest is marilyn geewax. she's overseeing npr's on the road to safety series as its editor. and now we go to brian joyce, a lawmaker in massachusetts, who's considering a bill that would require drivers age 75 and older to pass a series of tests in order to keep their driver's license. it would also provide civil i... |
Delighted to be here. | delighted to be | Delighted to be | delighted to be here. |
What prompted you to introduce this legislation? | what prompted you to introduce this | What. prompted you to introduce this | what prompted you to introduce this legislation? |
State Sen. JOYCE: Well, I mean, just as some of your callers have suggested, it is indeed a perfect storm. We have an aging population. The fastest-growing of our society are those persons beyond age 85, and really for the first time as a nation, as a society, we're dealing with a lot of aging drivers. And the overwhel... | state sen joyce: well i. mean just as some of your callers, have suggested it is indeed a. perfect storm we have an aging population, the fastest-growing of our society are those persons beyond age 85, and really for the first time as a nation as a, society we're dealing with; a lot of aging drivers and the overwhelmin... | State Sen JOYCE: Well I mean just as some of your callers have suggested. it is indeed a perfect storm We have an aging population The fastest-growing of our society are those persons beyond, age 85, and really for the first time, as a nation as a. society we're dealing with a lot of aging drivers And the overwhelming ... | state sen. joyce: well, i mean, just as some of your callers have suggested, it is indeed a perfect storm. we have an aging population. the fastest-growing of our society are those persons beyond age 85, and really for the first time as a nation, as a society, we're dealing with a lot of aging drivers. and the overwhel... |
I first introduced legislation about five years ago. This is the third go-around. And I thought it was fairly common sense. Just current law in Massachusetts is a person takes a driver's test at age 16 and a half and is never tested again. | i, first introduced legislation about five years ago this is the third go-around, and i thought it was fairly. common sense. just current law in massachusetts is a person takes. a driver's, test at age, 16 and a half and is never tested | I first introduced, legislation about five years ago This is the third go-around And. I thought it, was fairly common sense Just current law. in Massachusetts is a person takes a driver's test at age 16 and a half and is never tested | i first introduced legislation about five years ago. this is the third go-around. and i thought it was fairly common sense. just current law in massachusetts is a person takes a driver's test at age 16 and a half and is never tested again. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
Ever. | ever. | ||
State Sen. JOYCE: Every 10 years, you get tested for vision. So if you can tell the difference between red, green and yellow and A, B and C, you're good to go for another 10 years. | state sen joyce: every 10 years you get tested for vision. so if you can tell the difference between red green and yellow and a b and c you're good to go for another | State Sen JOYCE: Every 10 years you get tested for vision So, if you can tell the difference between red green and yellow, and. A B, and C you're good to go for another | state sen. joyce: every 10 years, you get tested for vision. so if you can tell the difference between red, green and yellow and a, b and c, you're good to go for another 10 years. |
My dad had a 95-year-old neighbor that lives down the hall from him just passed his vision test. He's good to go until he's 105. That's just, you know, ridiculous. | my dad, had a. 95-year-old; neighbor that lives down the hall. from him just passed his vision, test he's good to go until he's 105. that's just you know | My dad had a. 95-year-old neighbor that. lives down the hall from him just passed. his vision test He's good to go until he's 105. That's just you. know | my dad had a 95-year-old neighbor that lives down the hall from him just passed his vision test. he's good to go until he's 105. that's just, you know, ridiculous. |
One of the questions that some of our older listeners may begin to ask is how old are you, Senator? | one of the questions that some. of our older listeners, may begin to ask is how old, are you | One of the questions that some of, our older listeners may begin to ask is how old are you | one of the questions that some of our older listeners may begin to ask is how old are you, senator? |
State Sen. JOYCE: I'm 47. Sometimes I think it's - we're like automobiles. It's not the years but miles, and with political campaigns, there's a lot of miles on these 47 years. | state sen joyce: i'm, 47. sometimes i think it's - we're like automobiles it's not, the years but miles and with political campaigns there's a lot of miles on, these | State Sen, JOYCE: I'm 47. Sometimes I think it's - we're like automobiles. It's not the years but. miles and with political campaigns there's a lot of miles on these. | state sen. joyce: i'm 47. sometimes i think it's - we're like automobiles. it's not the years but miles, and with political campaigns, there's a lot of miles on these 47 years. |
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As this legislation would require, at 75 another test? | as this legislation would require at. 75 another | As this legislation. would require at 75 another | as this legislation would require, at 75 another test? |
Well, we actually have a question from someone who is about to go to college. Austin Harrison(ph) is 18 years old, and he's headed for the University of Mississippi. | well we. actually have a question from someone who is about to go to college austin harrison(ph) is 18 years old and he's headed for the university of | Well we actually have a. question from someone who is about to go to college Austin, Harrison(ph) is 18 years old; and. he's headed for the University of | well, we actually have a question from someone who is about to go to college. austin harrison(ph) is 18 years old, and he's headed for the university of mississippi. |
Yes - doctor, treat this patient. OK. | yes - doctor treat this patient | Yes - doctor treat this patient | yes - doctor, treat this patient. ok. |
State Sen. JOYCE: Well, you know, it was interesting. The - my original proposal was for 85, and that is the first driver's license examination beyond age - or renewal beyond age 85. So if you renewed at 84, it's good for five years, really it would have started at 89, to require a road test. And immediately, I, you kn... | state sen joyce: well, you know it, was interesting the - my original proposal was for 85, and that is the first. driver's license examination beyond age - or renewal beyond age 85. so if you renewed at 84, it's good for five years really it would have started at 89, to. require a road test and immediately i you know q... | State Sen JOYCE: Well you, know it was interesting The - my original proposal, was for 85, and that is the first driver's license examination. beyond age - or renewal beyond age 85. So if you renewed at 84, it's, good for five years really it would have started at, 89, to require a road test And immediately I you know ... | state sen. joyce: well, you know, it was interesting. the - my original proposal was for 85, and that is the first driver's license examination beyond age - or renewal beyond age 85. so if you renewed at 84, it's good for five years, really it would have started at 89, to require a road test. and immediately, i, you kn... |
But the data is, in fact, not arbitrary. It's - you know, the statistics are quite telling. Beyond 75, a person's driving skills do indeed diminish, and beyond 85, they diminish precipitously. So a few years ago, we did in fact pass some pretty strict legislation with respect to teenage drivers in Massachusetts, and as... | but the data is in, fact; not arbitrary it's - you know the, statistics are quite telling beyond 75, a, person's driving skills do indeed diminish and beyond 85, they diminish precipitously. so a few years ago we did in fact pass some pretty strict legislation with respect to teenage drivers in massachusetts and as a r... | But the data is in fact not arbitrary It's - you know the statistics are quite, telling Beyond 75, a person's driving skills do indeed diminish and beyond 85, they diminish precipitously So. a few years ago we did in fact pass some pretty strict. legislation, with respect to teenage, drivers in Massachusetts and as a r... | but the data is, in fact, not arbitrary. it's - you know, the statistics are quite telling. beyond 75, a person's driving skills do indeed diminish, and beyond 85, they diminish precipitously. so a few years ago, we did in fact pass some pretty strict legislation with respect to teenage drivers in massachusetts, and as... |
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