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Would you be willing to also, along with this legislation, to put in a companion bill that would provide transportation for seniors who lose their ability to drive?	would you be willing to also along with this legislation to put in a companion bill that would provide transportation. for seniors, who lose their ability. to	Would you be willing to also, along with this legislation to put in a companion bill that would provide transportation for seniors who lose their ability to	would you be willing to also, along with this legislation, to put in a companion bill that would provide transportation for seniors who lose their ability to drive?
State Sen. JOYCE: Well, you know, it's an interesting thing. We do have to be very sensitive to the fact that, for many people, driving is akin to independence, and we certainly are sensitive to that.	state sen, joyce: well you, know it's an interesting thing we do have to be very sensitive to the fact that for many people driving is akin to independence and we certainly are sensitive to	State Sen JOYCE: Well you know, it's an; interesting thing We do have to be, very sensitive to the fact that for many people, driving is akin to independence and we certainly are sensitive to	state sen. joyce: well, you know, it's an interesting thing. we do have to be very sensitive to the fact that, for many people, driving is akin to independence, and we certainly are sensitive to that.
In Massachusetts, we do have Council on Aging vans in virtually every community in the state. We have - I heard the caller earlier from a different state. We have a fairly extensive public transportation network here, but the reality is government can't do everything. And the - you know family members, loved ones, soci...	in massachusetts we do have council on aging vans, in virtually, every, community in the state we have - i heard the caller earlier from a different state we have a fairly extensive. public transportation network here but the. reality is government can't do everything and the - you, know family members. loved ones; soc...	In Massachusetts we do have Council on Aging vans in virtually. every community in the state We have - I heard the caller earlier from, a different state We have a fairly; extensive, public transportation network here but the reality is government can't do everything And; the - you know family members loved ones societ...	in massachusetts, we do have council on aging vans in virtually every community in the state. we have - i heard the caller earlier from a different state. we have a fairly extensive public transportation network here, but the reality is government can't do everything. and the - you know family members, loved ones, soci...
But there are a very small amount of drivers, senior drivers, that simply are unsafe, and when I testified a couple years ago, I suggested to the House chairman of transportation, who indicated opposition, I said look, I hope it doesn't take a tragic event in one of our districts, and sure enough, there was a beautiful...	but there are a very small amount of drivers senior drivers that simply are unsafe and when i testified a couple years. ago i suggested to the house chairman, of transportation who indicated opposition i said look i hope it doesn't take a tragic. event in one of our districts and, sure enough there was a beautiful litt...	But there, are, a very small amount of, drivers senior drivers that simply are, unsafe and when I testified a couple, years ago I suggested to the House chairman of transportation, who indicated opposition, I said look I hope it doesn't take; a tragic event in one of our districts and sure enough, there was a beautiful...	but there are a very small amount of drivers, senior drivers, that simply are unsafe, and when i testified a couple years ago, i suggested to the house chairman of transportation, who indicated opposition, i said look, i hope it doesn't take a tragic event in one of our districts, and sure enough, there was a beautiful...
You know, one of the problems that we've explored, Neal, in this series is the need for government spending on transportation issues. And yet this is the time with - the recession has really hit hard at state budgets. Local budgets are constrained. The federal government is having a tough time passing any kind of a tra...	you know one, of the problems that we've explored neal in this series is, the need for, government spending on transportation issues and yet this is the time with - the recession has really hit hard at state budgets local budgets are constrained the federal government is having a tough time passing any kind of a transp...	You know one of the problems that we've explored Neal in this series is the need for government spending on. transportation issues And yet this is. the time with - the recession has, really hit hard at state budgets Local budgets are constrained The federal government is having a tough time passing any kind, of a trans...	you know, one of the problems that we've explored, neal, in this series is the need for government spending on transportation issues. and yet this is the time with - the recession has really hit hard at state budgets. local budgets are constrained. the federal government is having a tough time passing any kind of a tra...
We are coming into this demographic shift at the very time when government spending will be really constrained.	we are coming into this demographic shift at the very time when government spending, will be really	We are, coming into this demographic shift at the very time when government spending will be really	we are coming into this demographic shift at the very time when government spending will be really constrained.
We have this email from Tim(ph) in San Rafael, California, and Senator, I think this could be directed to you. Would it not make sense to invest more driving tests in conjunction with license renewal? Poor driving habits are not the sole province of the young and the elderly.	we have this email from tim(ph) in san rafael california and senator i think. this could be directed to you would it, not make sense to invest more driving tests in conjunction with license renewal? poor driving habits are not, the sole province of the young and the	We have this, email from Tim(ph) in San Rafael California and Senator I think this could be directed to you Would it not make sense to invest more driving tests in conjunction with; license renewal? Poor driving habits are not the sole province of the young and the	we have this email from tim(ph) in san rafael, california, and senator, i think this could be directed to you. would it not make sense to invest more driving tests in conjunction with license renewal? poor driving habits are not the sole province of the young and the elderly.
State Sen. JOYCE: You know, it's a very good point. You know, it's interesting, though. Someone far brighter than I suggested that the enemy of good is better or perfect, right? And so in an ideal world, we would test every driver every hour to make sure he or she is still safe.	state sen joyce: you; know it's a very good point you know it's interesting though someone far brighter than i suggested, that the enemy of good, is better or perfect right? and so. in, an ideal world we would test every driver every hour to make sure he or, she is still	State Sen JOYCE: You know it's a. very good point, You know it's interesting. though Someone far brighter than, I suggested that the enemy of good is better, or perfect right? And so in an, ideal world we would test every driver every hour to make sure he or she is still	state sen. joyce: you know, it's a very good point. you know, it's interesting, though. someone far brighter than i suggested that the enemy of good is better or perfect, right? and so in an ideal world, we would test every driver every hour to make sure he or she is still safe.
Well, maybe not every hour.	well maybe not every	Well maybe not every	well, maybe not every hour.
State Sen. JOYCE: But the reality is there's a precipitous decline in driving skills beyond 85, and there's a decline beyond 75. So let's start with, you know, in terms of a cost-benefit analysis where we'd have the greatest result.	state sen joyce: but the reality is there's a precipitous decline in driving skills beyond 85, and there's a decline. beyond 75. so, let's start with you know in terms of a cost-benefit analysis where we'd have the greatest	State Sen JOYCE: But the reality is there's a precipitous decline in driving skills beyond 85, and there's a decline beyond 75. So let's start with you know in terms, of, a cost-benefit. analysis where; we'd have the greatest	state sen. joyce: but the reality is there's a precipitous decline in driving skills beyond 85, and there's a decline beyond 75. so let's start with, you know, in terms of a cost-benefit analysis where we'd have the greatest result.
But in this bill, which has been reported out in Massachusetts, in the Transportation Committee, the testing would begin at 75, but we would also have testing for younger drivers who have some surchargable(ph) events in their driving history; who have exhibited, you know, a problem driving, whether it's a couple of acc...	but in this bill which has been reported out in massachusetts in the transportation committee the testing would begin at 75, but we would also have testing for younger drivers who have some, surchargable(ph) events in, their driving history who have exhibited you know a, problem, driving whether it's a couple of accide...	But in this bill which has been reported out in Massachusetts in the Transportation Committee the testing would begin at 75, but we would also have testing for younger drivers who have some surchargable(ph) events in their driving history who have exhibited you know a problem driving whether it's. a couple of accidents...	but in this bill, which has been reported out in massachusetts, in the transportation committee, the testing would begin at 75, but we would also have testing for younger drivers who have some surchargable(ph) events in their driving history; who have exhibited, you know, a problem driving, whether it's a couple of acc...
And one of your earlier callers also suggested something. I thought he was dead-on right that with the technological advances, much of this testing could be done through simulation equipment so that we don't need to invest in a whole new bureaucracy of, you know, road tests and such.	and one of; your earlier callers also suggested something i thought he was dead-on right; that with the technological advances much of this testing could be done through, simulation equipment; so that we don't need to invest in a whole new bureaucracy of you know. road tests and	And one of. your earlier callers also. suggested something I thought he was dead-on, right that with the technological advances much of this. testing could. be done through simulation equipment so that we don't need to, invest in a whole new. bureaucracy of you know road tests and.	and one of your earlier callers also suggested something. i thought he was dead-on right that with the technological advances, much of this testing could be done through simulation equipment so that we don't need to invest in a whole new bureaucracy of, you know, road tests and such.
And let me just say, automakers are trying to make cars better for elderly drivers. New kinds of windshields are being studied that make it easier to see in the evening when your eyesight is declining.	and let me just say automakers. are trying to make cars better for elderly drivers new kinds of windshields are being studied. that make it easier to. see in the evening when. your eyesight is	And, let me just say automakers are trying to make cars better for elderly drivers New kinds; of windshields are being studied that make it easier to see in the evening when your eyesight is	and let me just say, automakers are trying to make cars better for elderly drivers. new kinds of windshields are being studied that make it easier to see in the evening when your eyesight is declining.
Senator, what's the prospects for passage of this legislation?	senator what's the prospects for passage of this	Senator what's the prospects for passage of this	senator, what's the prospects for passage of this legislation?
State Sen. JOYCE: I think we're going to get something passed this term. I mean, there's been a - as I mentioned earlier, just an incredibly tragic run of high-profile accidents. And now we have the newspapers digging into public information as to, you know, ones that may not have resulted in an accident.	state sen joyce: i think we're going to get; something passed this term i mean there's been a - as i mentioned earlier just an incredibly. tragic run of high-profile accidents and. now we have the newspapers digging into. public information, as to you know ones that may not have resulted in an	State Sen JOYCE: I think we're going to get something passed this term I mean there's been a - as I, mentioned earlier just an incredibly tragic run of high-profile accidents And, now we have the newspapers digging into, public information. as to you know ones that. may. not have resulted in an	state sen. joyce: i think we're going to get something passed this term. i mean, there's been a - as i mentioned earlier, just an incredibly tragic run of high-profile accidents. and now we have the newspapers digging into public information as to, you know, ones that may not have resulted in an accident.
I'll tell you, we just got a report, for example, of a 90-year-old fellow who walked into a police station, suggesting that his car was stuck in the snow. And when they investigated - it turned out this was in August - his car was on a golf course in a sand trap. And so fortunately, in that instance, nobody was killed,...	i'll tell you we just got. a report for example, of a 90-year-old fellow who walked into a police station suggesting that his car was stuck in the, snow and, when they investigated - it turned out this was in august - his car was on a golf course in a sand trap and so fortunately in that instance nobody was killed but ...	I'll tell you we just got a report for example of a 90-year-old fellow who walked, into a police station, suggesting that his car was stuck in the, snow And when they investigated - it, turned out this. was in August - his. car was on a golf. course in a sand trap And so fortunately in that instance nobody was killed b...	i'll tell you, we just got a report, for example, of a 90-year-old fellow who walked into a police station, suggesting that his car was stuck in the snow. and when they investigated - it turned out this was in august - his car was on a golf course in a sand trap. and so fortunately, in that instance, nobody was killed,...
Senator Joyce, thanks for your time.	senator joyce thanks for your	Senator Joyce thanks for your	senator joyce, thanks for your time.
State Sen. JOYCE: My pleasure.	state sen joyce: my	State Sen, JOYCE: My	state sen. joyce: my pleasure.
Brian Joyce, a state senator from Massachusetts, who represents Norfolk, Bristol and Plymouth district and joined us by phone from the state capitol in Boston.	brian joyce a state, senator from massachusetts who represents norfolk bristol and plymouth district and joined us by phone from the state capitol in	Brian Joyce a state senator from Massachusetts who represents; Norfolk Bristol and Plymouth. district and joined. us by phone, from the state capitol in.	brian joyce, a state senator from massachusetts, who represents norfolk, bristol and plymouth district and joined us by phone from the state capitol in boston.
Here's an email from Aftab(ph) in Syracuse. I would support a mandatory cap on vehicle speed with engine governors that would only allow speeding for a short time in case of emergencies. Why have a speed limit if so many flout it? Either that or stricter enforcement, not higher fines but more people caught and more dol...	here's an, email from, aftab(ph) in syracuse i would support a mandatory cap on vehicle speed with engine governors that would only allow speeding for a short time in case of emergencies, why have a, speed limit if so many flout it? either that or stricter enforcement not higher fines but more people caught and more do...	Here's an email from Aftab(ph) in Syracuse I would. support a mandatory cap on. vehicle speed with engine governors that would only allow speeding for a short time in case of emergencies, Why have a speed limit if so many flout it? Either that or stricter enforcement not higher fines but more people. caught, and more d...	here's an email from aftab(ph) in syracuse. i would support a mandatory cap on vehicle speed with engine governors that would only allow speeding for a short time in case of emergencies. why have a speed limit if so many flout it? either that or stricter enforcement, not higher fines but more people caught and more dol...
Yeah, you know, but the issue of the speed limit is just a tough one. Every time states have a choice, it seems like they choose to make it even higher than 65. I mean, it's really very unpopular to talk about limiting speed. And you get in a new car, and you know, what does the speedometer say, 140 miles per hour? I m...	yeah you know but the issue of the speed limit is just a tough one every time states have a choice it seems like, they choose to make it even, higher than 65. i mean it's really very unpopular to talk about limiting speed and you get in a new car and you know what does the speedometer say. 140 miles per hour? i mean wh...	Yeah you know but the issue of the speed limit is just a tough one Every time states have a choice it seems like they choose to make it. even. higher than 65. I mean it's really very unpopular, to talk about, limiting speed, And you get in a new, car, and you know what does the speedometer say 140 miles per hour? I mea...	yeah, you know, but the issue of the speed limit is just a tough one. every time states have a choice, it seems like they choose to make it even higher than 65. i mean, it's really very unpopular to talk about limiting speed. and you get in a new car, and you know, what does the speedometer say, 140 miles per hour? i m...
Anyway, I was going to say that my grandmother was about 80 years old. She didn't pass her vision test, as you were saying, and she had a nice, big Crown Victoria, because let's face it, lots of people like bigger cars, especially the older folks. Unfortunately, you don't get good gas mileage, though.	anyway i was going to say that, my grandmother was about 80 years old she didn't pass her vision test as you were saying and she had a nice big crown victoria, because let's. face it lots of people like bigger cars especially the older folks unfortunately. you don't get good gas mileage	Anyway I was going to say that my grandmother was about 80 years old She didn't. pass, her vision test as you were saying and she had a, nice big Crown Victoria because let's face it. lots of people like, bigger cars especially the older folks Unfortunately you don't get, good gas mileage	anyway, i was going to say that my grandmother was about 80 years old. she didn't pass her vision test, as you were saying, and she had a nice, big crown victoria, because let's face it, lots of people like bigger cars, especially the older folks. unfortunately, you don't get good gas mileage, though.
But she didn't pass her vision test, and she drove anyway, so, for the next three years until my aunt was driving her car one day, and actually, she got ready to take off from a light, and the ball joint broke, and that wheel just literally laid over. Thanks goodness nobody was, especially my grandmother, driving down ...	but she. didn't pass her vision test, and she drove anyway so for the next. three years until my. aunt was driving her car one day and actually she got ready to take off from a light and the ball, joint broke and that wheel just literally laid. over thanks goodness nobody was especially my grandmother driving down the	But she didn't pass her vision test and she drove anyway so for, the next three years until my aunt was driving her. car one day and actually she; got ready to take off from, a light and the ball joint broke and that wheel just literally laid, over Thanks goodness nobody, was especially my grandmother driving down the	but she didn't pass her vision test, and she drove anyway, so, for the next three years until my aunt was driving her car one day, and actually, she got ready to take off from a light, and the ball joint broke, and that wheel just literally laid over. thanks goodness nobody was, especially my grandmother, driving down ...
She drove a Crown Vic. What do you drive?	she drove a crown vic what do you	She drove a Crown Vic What do you	she drove a crown vic. what do you drive?
Oh, I have a '55 Studebaker, and I also have a '58 Chevy Apache I'm working on.	oh i have a, '55 studebaker and i also have a '58 chevy apache i'm working	Oh I have, a '55 Studebaker and I also. have a '58 Chevy Apache, I'm working	oh, i have a '55 studebaker, and i also have a '58 chevy apache i'm working on.
Did you install seatbelts on those old cars?	did you install seatbelts on those old.	Did you, install seatbelts on those old,	did you install seatbelts on those old cars?
Yes, they have seatbelts in them, and guess what? They are very safe. I live on Highway 44. We have a lot of head-on collisions here right outside of Redding, California. And we also have deer. And if I am driving in one of those cars, I feel a lot safer than I do, like, in my Dodge Dakota which is a lot of plastic. An...	yes they have seatbelts, in them and, guess what? they are very safe i live on highway 44. we, have, a lot of head-on collisions here right outside of redding california and we, also have deer and if, i am driving in one of those cars i feel a; lot safer. than i. do like in my dodge. dakota which is a lot of plastic an...	Yes they have seatbelts in them, and guess. what? They are very safe I live on Highway 44. We have a lot, of head-on collisions here right outside, of, Redding California And we also have deer And if I am driving in. one of those cars I feel a lot safer than I do like in my Dodge Dakota which is a lot of plastic, And t...	yes, they have seatbelts in them, and guess what? they are very safe. i live on highway 44. we have a lot of head-on collisions here right outside of redding, california. and we also have deer. and if i am driving in one of those cars, i feel a lot safer than i do, like, in my dodge dakota which is a lot of plastic. an...
Yes. You know, Don, Neal, we talked about the�	yes you know don; neal we. talked about	Yes You, know Don Neal we talked, about.	yes. you know, don, neal, we talked about the�
Rick, your phone is breaking up so I'm going to let you go. But thanks very much for the call.	rick your phone is breaking up so i'm going to let you go, but thanks, very much, for the	Rick your phone is breaking up so I'm going to let you go But thanks very much, for the	rick, your phone is breaking up so i'm going to let you go. but thanks very much for the call.
We've been talking about elderly drivers, but it's really important to note that it's actually young people who are the most dangerous drivers. If you really look at the highest rate of being involved in fatal accidents, it's 16 to 20-year-olds, and boys are particularly bad. And some of what's happening there is drink...	we've been talking about elderly drivers but it's really important to note that it's actually young people who are the most dangerous drivers if you really look at the highest rate, of being involved in fatal accidents it's 16 to 20-year-olds and boys are particularly bad and, some of what's happening there, is drinkin...	We've been talking, about elderly drivers but it's really, important to note that it's actually young people who are the most dangerous drivers If you really look at the highest rate of being involved. in fatal accidents it's 16 to 20-year-olds and boys are particularly bad And some of what's happening there is drinkin...	we've been talking about elderly drivers, but it's really important to note that it's actually young people who are the most dangerous drivers. if you really look at the highest rate of being involved in fatal accidents, it's 16 to 20-year-olds, and boys are particularly bad. and some of what's happening there is drink...
And I was thinking about that. You know, this is the first generation of kids who are coming into cars who grew up being distracted. I mean, when you get in the vehicle, your parents would put you in the backseat and, you know, you're all buckled up and you're nice and safe, but your experience of travelling is not loo...	and i was thinking about that you know this is the first generation of kids who are coming into cars who grew up; being distracted i mean. when you get in, the vehicle your parents would put you in the backseat and you, know you're all buckled up and you're nice and safe but your experience of travelling is not, lookin...	And I was thinking about that. You; know this is the first generation of kids who, are coming into cars who grew up being distracted, I mean when you get in the vehicle your parents would put you in the backseat and you know you're all; buckled up and you're nice and safe but your experience of travelling, is not looki...	and i was thinking about that. you know, this is the first generation of kids who are coming into cars who grew up being distracted. i mean, when you get in the vehicle, your parents would put you in the backseat and, you know, you're all buckled up and you're nice and safe, but your experience of travelling is not loo...
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�counting the white lines, your experience was total distraction. You're listening to your iPod. You're watching a movie. You're talking to a friend on the cell phone. Yes, you are nice and safe and snug in the backseat, but kids were very disconnected from driving as an experience. And suddenly, they turn 16 years old...	�counting the. white lines your experience; was total distraction you're listening to your ipod you're watching a movie you're talking to a friend on the cell phone yes you, are nice and safe; and snug in, the backseat but kids were very disconnected. from. driving as an experience and suddenly; they turn. 16 years old...	�counting the white lines your experience, was total distraction You're listening to your iPod You're watching a movie. You're, talking to a friend on the cell, phone Yes you, are nice and safe and snug in the backseat but kids were very disconnected from driving as an experience And suddenly they turn 16 years old and...	�counting the white lines, your experience was total distraction. you're listening to your ipod. you're watching a movie. you're talking to a friend on the cell phone. yes, you are nice and safe and snug in the backseat, but kids were very disconnected from driving as an experience. and suddenly, they turn 16 years old...
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Right. And, you know, so I think, gosh, that's got to be a real mind-switch for them to go away from thinking that the family car is, kind of, the place where I go to escape and get in to my own thoughts and now think of it as, oh, here's where I take responsibility.	right and you know so i think; gosh that's got to be a, real. mind-switch for them to. go away from thinking that, the family. car is kind of the, place where i go to escape, and, get in to my own thoughts and now think, of it as. oh here's where i take	Right And you know so I think gosh that's got to. be a real mind-switch for them to go away. from thinking that the family car, is kind of the place where I go to escape and. get, in to; my own thoughts and now think of it as; oh here's where I take	right. and, you know, so i think, gosh, that's got to be a real mind-switch for them to go away from thinking that the family car is, kind of, the place where i go to escape and get in to my own thoughts and now think of it as, oh, here's where i take responsibility.
Just that last caller was talking about his big hunk of Detroit metal, that Studebaker, is he right? Is there a tradeoff between the weight and sturdiness of a car and safety?	just that last caller was talking about his, big hunk of detroit metal that studebaker is he right? is there a tradeoff between the weight; and sturdiness of a car and	Just that last caller was talking about his big hunk of Detroit metal that Studebaker is he right? Is there a tradeoff between the weight and sturdiness of a car and	just that last caller was talking about his big hunk of detroit metal, that studebaker, is he right? is there a tradeoff between the weight and sturdiness of a car and safety?
Well, that's a whole other issue. The idea that the safety agenda and the green agenda are in some ways�	well that's a whole other issue the idea. that the safety. agenda and the green agenda are in some	Well that's a whole other issue The idea that the safety agenda and the green agenda are in some	well, that's a whole other issue. the idea that the safety agenda and the green agenda are in some ways�
At odds.	at	At	at odds.
�at odds, because, you know, maybe you were really - we were in the golden age of safety when we were in the big honking Denali 10 years ago - in a great big SUV, but not on our cell phone and not texting compared with driving in the future where you're in a smart car while trying to text. You know, there may be someth...	�at odds because you, know maybe you were really - we. were in the. golden age of safety when, we were in the big honking denali 10 years ago - in a great big suv but not on our cell phone and not texting compared with driving. in. the future where you're. in a smart car while trying to text you know there may be somet...	�at odds because you know maybe you were really - we were in the golden age of safety when we were in the big honking Denali, 10 years ago - in a, great big SUV but not on our cell phone and not texting compared with driving. in the future where you're in a smart car while trying to text You know, there. may be. someth...	�at odds, because, you know, maybe you were really - we were in the golden age of safety when we were in the big honking denali 10 years ago - in a great big suv, but not on our cell phone and not texting compared with driving in the future where you're in a smart car while trying to text. you know, there may be someth...
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