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The really serious deficit problems - there are really two deficits. There is the short-term deficit that's been created by a combination of the recession, mostly the Bush administration policies, which are basically big tax cuts, two wars and the Medicare prescription drug benefit. And then, third on the list in terms... | the really serious deficit problems - there are really two. deficits there is, the short-term deficit that's been created by a combination of the recession. mostly the bush administration. policies which are basically big tax cuts two wars and the medicare prescription drug benefit and then third on the list in terms o... | The really serious deficit problems - there, are really two deficits There, is the short-term, deficit that's been created by a. combination, of. the recession mostly the Bush administration policies. which are basically big tax cuts two wars and the; Medicare prescription drug benefit And then third on the list in ter... | the really serious deficit problems - there are really two deficits. there is the short-term deficit that's been created by a combination of the recession, mostly the bush administration policies, which are basically big tax cuts, two wars and the medicare prescription drug benefit. and then, third on the list in terms... |
And when you're talking about the Bush tax cuts, they are set to expire. There are going to be a lot of people arguing to keep them in force. You don't cut - you don't increase taxes effectively during a recession. But, anyway, that's another argument, and I guess that's part of the argument. Let's get Clint on the lin... | and when you're talking about the bush tax cuts they are set to. expire there are going to be a lot of people arguing to keep. them in force you don't cut - you don't; increase taxes effectively during a recession but. anyway that's another argument and i guess that's part of the argument let's get clint on the line cl... | And. when you're talking about the Bush, tax cuts they, are set to expire There are, going to be a lot of people arguing to keep them in force, You don't cut - you don't increase taxes effectively during, a recession But anyway, that's another argument and I guess that's part, of the argument Let's get Clint on the; li... | and when you're talking about the bush tax cuts, they are set to expire. there are going to be a lot of people arguing to keep them in force. you don't cut - you don't increase taxes effectively during a recession. but, anyway, that's another argument, and i guess that's part of the argument. let's get clint on the lin... |
Yeah, that's right. What I'd be willing to give up is black budget, like defense spending, you know? What seems to me - it seems like, you know, we're spending undisclosed amounts of money to fight, you know, a Cold War era-style war, you know, when - you know, the truth is is that we're no longer - you know, we're no ... | yeah that's, right what i'd be, willing to give up is. black budget, like defense spending you know? what. seems to me - it. seems like you know we're spending undisclosed amounts of money to fight you know a cold war. era-style war you know when - you know the truth is is that we're, no longer - you know we're no long... | Yeah, that's right What I'd be willing to. give up is black budget like defense spending you know? What seems to me - it seems like you know we're spending, undisclosed amounts of money to fight you know a Cold War era-style war you know when - you know the truth is is. that we're no, longer - you know; we're no longer... | yeah, that's right. what i'd be willing to give up is black budget, like defense spending, you know? what seems to me - it seems like, you know, we're spending undisclosed amounts of money to fight, you know, a cold war era-style war, you know, when - you know, the truth is is that we're no longer - you know, we're no ... |
When you're talking about black budget, you mean the stuff that we don't know about that's buried in - somewhere... | when you're talking; about black budget you mean the stuff that we don't know about that's buried in | When you're talking, about black. budget you, mean the stuff that we don't know about that's buried in | when you're talking about black budget, you mean the stuff that we don't know about that's buried in - somewhere... |
Exactly. Yeah. You know, the stuff that, like, that's undisclosed, like defense spending is what I'm talking about. | exactly yeah, you know, the stuff that; like that's undisclosed like defense spending is what; i'm, talking | Exactly Yeah You know the stuff that like that's undisclosed like defense spending is. what I'm talking | exactly. yeah. you know, the stuff that, like, that's undisclosed, like defense spending is what i'm talking about. |
Well, it's buried somewhere. I mean, we do know about it. We just don't know what we're voting for or what we vote for it. | well it's. buried somewhere i mean we do, know about it we just don't know what we're voting for or what we, vote for, | Well it's buried somewhere I mean we do know about it We just don't know what we're voting for or what we. vote for | well, it's buried somewhere. i mean, we do know about it. we just don't know what we're voting for or what we vote for it. |
Yeah. Exactly. | yeah | Yeah | yeah. exactly. |
The previous target had been four million people on treatment. | the previous target had been four million people on | The previous target had been four, million people. on | the previous target had been four million people on treatment. |
You can't, but it's big. It's now in the neighborhood of 650 billion. One of the real problems with defense spending is that it has already been shrinking quite significantly as a share of GDP. We have - I don't remember the numbers exactly off the top of my head, but it's a few percentage point of GDP down from where ... | you can't but it's big it's now in the neighborhood of 650 billion one of the real problems with defense spending is that it has already been shrinking quite significantly as a share of gdp we, have - i don't remember the numbers exactly off the top of my head but it's a few percentage point of gdp. down, from where, i... | You can't but it's big It's now in the neighborhood of 650 billion One of the real problems with, defense spending is that it has already been shrinking quite significantly as a, share of GDP We have - I don't remember the numbers exactly off the top of my. head but it's; a few percentage point of GDP down; from where ... | you can't, but it's big. it's now in the neighborhood of 650 billion. one of the real problems with defense spending is that it has already been shrinking quite significantly as a share of gdp. we have - i don't remember the numbers exactly off the top of my head, but it's a few percentage point of gdp down from where ... |
Yes, but an appropriate military. | yes but an appropriate | Yes but an. appropriate | yes, but an appropriate military. |
An - yes. So could you cut a hundred billion dollars out of the military budget, which would - I mean, be really quite significant? I don't know, but I'm open to that idea. It doesn't get us anywhere close to solving the larger... | an - yes so could you cut a hundred billion dollars out of the military budget which would - i mean be really quite significant? i don't know but i'm open to that idea it doesn't get us anywhere close to solving the | An - yes So, could you cut a hundred billion dollars out of the. military budget which would - I mean be really quite significant? I don't know but I'm open to that idea It doesn't get us anywhere close to, solving the | an - yes. so could you cut a hundred billion dollars out of the military budget, which would - i mean, be really quite significant? i don't know, but i'm open to that idea. it doesn't get us anywhere close to solving the larger... |
That's 10 percent. | that's | That's | that's 10 percent. |
...gap. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. No, no. I think it's an important potential part of the solution. | ...gap oh. yeah absolutely no no i think it's an important potential part of the | ...gap Oh yeah Absolutely No no I think it's an important potential part of the | ...gap. oh, yeah. absolutely. no, no. i think it's an important potential part of the solution. |
It's - Clint, thanks very much for the call. Here's from Cameron(ph), an email: I could do without two wars, cheap gasoline and excessive profits for business. One year of our nation's net profits might cancel our nation's debt. It would hurt bad, but a deep depression would hurt worse. And that seems to be more a phil... | it's - clint thanks very much; for the call here's from cameron(ph), an email: i could do without two wars cheap gasoline and excessive profits. for business one, year of our, nation's net, profits might cancel our nation's debt it would hurt bad but a deep depression would hurt worse and that seems to be more a philos... | It's. - Clint thanks very, much for the call Here's from Cameron(ph), an email: I could do, without two wars cheap gasoline and excessive profits for business, One year of our nation's net profits might cancel our nation's debt It would hurt bad but a deep depression would hurt worse And that seems to be. more a philos... | it's - clint, thanks very much for the call. here's from cameron(ph), an email: i could do without two wars, cheap gasoline and excessive profits for business. one year of our nation's net profits might cancel our nation's debt. it would hurt bad, but a deep depression would hurt worse. and that seems to be more a phil... |
Yes, I am. | yes i | Yes I | yes, i am. |
Go ahead, please. | go, ahead | Go ahead | go ahead, please. |
I'd be willing to pay more for taxes. I think - my wife and I are both in social services in Arizona, which is kind of a difficult situation in the state right now. And both of us had been laid off in the past year because of budget cuts in the state. And I think you -yeah. I would definitely be willing to pay more for... | i'd be willing to pay more for taxes i think - my wife and. i are both, in social services in arizona which, is kind of a. difficult. situation in the state right now and both of us had been laid off in the past year because of budget cuts, in the state and i, think you -yeah i would definitely be willing to pay more f... | I'd be willing to pay more. for taxes I think - my wife and I are both in social services in, Arizona which is kind of a difficult situation, in the; state right now And both of us had been laid off in the past year because of budget cuts in. the state And I think you -yeah, I would definitely be willing, to pay more f... | i'd be willing to pay more for taxes. i think - my wife and i are both in social services in arizona, which is kind of a difficult situation in the state right now. and both of us had been laid off in the past year because of budget cuts in the state. and i think you -yeah. i would definitely be willing to pay more for... |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
And they look out for their personal peace and affluence in times like this. | and they look out, for their personal; peace. and affluence in times like | And they, look out for, their personal peace and affluence in times like | and they look out for their personal peace and affluence in times like this. |
Well, David Leonhardt will certainly agree with you on that last point. People lack that sense of personal responsibility for the budget. You say, essentially, in your column, the problem is us. | well david leonhardt will certainly agree with you on. that last point people lack that sense of personal responsibility for the budget you say essentially in your column the problem is | Well David Leonhardt will certainly agree with you on that last point People lack that sense of personal responsibility. for, the budget You say essentially in your column the problem is | well, david leonhardt will certainly agree with you on that last point. people lack that sense of personal responsibility for the budget. you say, essentially, in your column, the problem is us. |
I do think the big part of the problem is us, and I think part of the problem is politicians, as well. But I think the big part of the problem is us. And one of the things that we've forgotten is the idea that we get something for our taxes. We get schools. We get the military. We get Medicare and Social Security. We g... | i do think the big part of the problem is. us. and. i think part of the problem is politicians as well but i think the, big part of the, problem is us and one of the things that we've forgotten is the idea that we get something for our taxes we get schools we get the military we get medicare and social security we get ... | I do think the big part of the problem is us and I think part of the; problem is politicians as well But I think the big part of the problem is. us And one of the things that we've forgotten is the idea that we get something for our taxes We get schools We get the military We get Medicare and Social Security We get a l... | i do think the big part of the problem is us, and i think part of the problem is politicians, as well. but i think the big part of the problem is us. and one of the things that we've forgotten is the idea that we get something for our taxes. we get schools. we get the military. we get medicare and social security. we g... |
Right. | right. | ||
One of the big parts of the health care debate were a lot of people in this country who have universal health care saying that they don't want to give up any of it so that other people can have universal health care, right? | one of the big parts of the health care debate were a lot of people in this country who have universal health care saying that they don't, want, to give up any of it so that other people, can have universal health, care | One of the big parts of the health care debate were. a lot of people in this country, who have universal health care saying that they don't want to give up, any of it so that other, people can have universal health care | one of the big parts of the health care debate were a lot of people in this country who have universal health care saying that they don't want to give up any of it so that other people can have universal health care, right? |
That's right. | that's | That's | that's right. |
The over-65 crowd talking to the under-65 crowd. And so I think it's important to remember that, yes, sometimes government revenue is spent poorly. But there are also lots of times in which it's spent well. It's these popular programs. It's the fact that the private sector didn't build the Internet, the government did.... | the over-65 crowd talking to the under-65 crowd and so i think it's important to remember that, yes sometimes, government revenue is spent poorly but there are also lots of times in which it's spent well it's these, popular programs it's the fact that the private sector didn't build the. internet the government did. th... | The over-65 crowd talking to the under-65 crowd And so I think it's important to remember that yes sometimes government revenue is spent, poorly But there. are also lots of times in which, it's spent well It's these popular programs It's the. fact that. the private sector didn't build the Internet the, government did T... | the over-65 crowd talking to the under-65 crowd. and so i think it's important to remember that, yes, sometimes government revenue is spent poorly. but there are also lots of times in which it's spent well. it's these popular programs. it's the fact that the private sector didn't build the internet, the government did.... |
And there is a long history of societies, as they get richer, deciding that they want more services provided by the government. They want more health care. They want more education. They want more military. They want more of a safety net. And so it's actually quite natural and quite in keeping with history that as a so... | and there is a long history of societies as they get richer deciding, that they want more, services provided by the government they want more health care they. want more education they want more military, they want more of a safety net, and so it's actually quite natural and quite in keeping. with history that as a soc... | And there is a long, history of societies as they; get, richer deciding that, they want more services provided by the government They want more health care They want. more, education They want. more military They want more of a safety net And so it's actually quite natural. and quite in keeping with history that as a s... | and there is a long history of societies, as they get richer, deciding that they want more services provided by the government. they want more health care. they want more education. they want more military. they want more of a safety net. and so it's actually quite natural and quite in keeping with history that as a so... |
Our problem is that we want to have it both ways. We do want to increase the size of our economy that goes to government. We just don't want to increase the size of our economy that goes to paying for that government. And that can't last. We either have to do things like get rid of Medicare in its current form and get ... | our problem is that we want to have it both ways we do want to increase, the size of our economy that goes to government we just don't want to increase the size of our economy that. goes to, paying for that government and that can't last we either have to do things like get rid. of medicare in. its current form and get... | Our problem is that we want to; have it both ways We do want to increase the size of our economy, that goes, to government; We just don't want to increase the size of our economy that goes to paying for that government And that can't last We; either have to do things like get. rid of Medicare in its current form and ge... | our problem is that we want to have it both ways. we do want to increase the size of our economy that goes to government. we just don't want to increase the size of our economy that goes to paying for that government. and that can't last. we either have to do things like get rid of medicare in its current form and get ... |
And you can read about those calculations in David Leonhardt's column at - it was published on the front page of The New York Times today. There's a link to it on our website, at npr.org. Click on TALK OF THE NATION. David Leonhardt, New York Times' economics columnist, thanks very much for being with us today. | and you can read about those calculations. in; david leonhardt's column, at - it was published on the front page of the new york times today there's a link to. it on our website at npr.org click on talk of. the nation david leonhardt new york times' economics columnist thanks, very much for being with us | And you can read about those calculations. in David Leonhardt's column at - it was published on the front page of The New York Times today There's a link to it on our website at npr.org Click on TALK. OF. THE NATION David, Leonhardt New York Times' economics columnist thanks very much for being with us | and you can read about those calculations in david leonhardt's column at - it was published on the front page of the new york times today. there's a link to it on our website, at npr.org. click on talk of the nation. david leonhardt, new york times' economics columnist, thanks very much for being with us today. |
Thanks for having me. | thanks; for having | Thanks for having | thanks for having me. |
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This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Neal Conan in Washington. | this is talk of the nation i'm neal conan in | This is TALK OF THE NATION I'm Neal Conan in | this is talk of the nation. i'm neal conan in washington. |
Young Patti Smith left her home in rural South Jersey determined to become a poet and an artist in the big city. | young patti smith left her home in rural south jersey determined to become a poet and an artist in the big | Young Patti Smith left her home in rural South Jersey determined; to become a poet and an artist in the big | young patti smith left her home in rural south jersey determined to become a poet and an artist in the big city. |
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New York is the thing that seduced me. New York is the thing formed me. New York is the thing deformed me. New York is the thing that perverted me. New York is the thing that converted me. And New York's the thing I love, too. | new york. is the thing that seduced me new york, is the thing formed me new york is the thing deformed. me new york is the. thing that perverted me new york is. the thing that converted me and new york's the thing. i love | New. York is the thing that seduced me New York is the thing formed me New York is the thing, deformed, me New York is the thing that perverted me New York, is the thing that converted me And New York's the thing I love | new york is the thing that seduced me. new york is the thing formed me. new york is the thing deformed me. new york is the thing that perverted me. new york is the thing that converted me. and new york's the thing i love, too. |
That's an excerpt from a documentary that starts to air tonight on PBS as part of the "POV" series. It's called "Patti Smith: Dream of Life." In a largely black-and-white kaleidoscope, the film swirls back and forth in time to describe her defiant career as the godmother of punk, the early days at CBGB's and the Chelse... | that's an excerpt from a documentary that starts to air. tonight on, pbs as part of the "pov" series it's called "patti smith: dream, of life" in a largely black-and-white kaleidoscope the film swirls back and forth in time to describe her defiant career as the godmother of punk the early, days at cbgb's and the chelse... | That's an. excerpt from a documentary that starts to air tonight on PBS. as part of the "POV" series It's, called "Patti Smith: Dream, of Life" In a largely black-and-white kaleidoscope the film swirls, back and forth in time. to describe her defiant career as the godmother of punk the early days at, CBGB's and the Che... | that's an excerpt from a documentary that starts to air tonight on pbs as part of the "pov" series. it's called "patti smith: dream of life." in a largely black-and-white kaleidoscope, the film swirls back and forth in time to describe her defiant career as the godmother of punk, the early days at cbgb's and the chelse... |
So, Christopher Gruber down at Davidson College, what goes through your mind when you hear about this? | so christopher gruber down at davidson college what. goes through, your mind when you hear about | So Christopher Gruber down at Davidson College what goes, through your mind when you hear about | so, christopher gruber down at davidson college, what goes through your mind when you hear about this? |
MR. GRUBER: That's absolutely phenomenal to hear Robert. You know, right now we're looking at it and we're wondering, everybody's joking on campus, what is our yield going to be like? Right now instead of having an incoming class of 470, I think there's great concern that we may have an incoming class of 570 or 670, wh... | mr gruber: that's absolutely, phenomenal to hear robert you know right now we're looking at it and we're wondering everybody's joking on campus what is our yield going to be like? right now instead of having an incoming class. of 470, i think there's great concern that we may have an incoming class of 570 or 670, which... | MR GRUBER: That's absolutely phenomenal to hear Robert You know right now. we're looking at it and we're wondering everybody's joking on campus what is our yield going to be like? Right now instead of, having an incoming class of 470, I think there's great concern that we may have an incoming; class of 570 or 670, whic... | mr. gruber: that's absolutely phenomenal to hear robert. you know, right now we're looking at it and we're wondering, everybody's joking on campus, what is our yield going to be like? right now instead of having an incoming class of 470, i think there's great concern that we may have an incoming class of 570 or 670, wh... |
Well, Robert Baker, how long does the party last? How long do you get this incredible wave of interest? | well robert baker how long does the party last? how long do you get this incredible wave of | Well Robert Baker how long does the party last? How long do you get this incredible wave of | well, robert baker, how long does the party last? how long do you get this incredible wave of interest? |
I'd say there's definitely still an impact. We recently released a study and found that the organizational commitment levels of university employees increased. And one of the causes that they were referencing was the spirit generated by the final four. | i'd say there's definitely still an impact we recently released a study and found that the. organizational commitment levels of university employees increased and one of the causes that they were referencing was the spirit generated by the final | I'd say there's definitely still an impact We recently released a study and found, that the organizational commitment, levels of university employees increased And one of the; causes that they were referencing was the spirit generated by the final | i'd say there's definitely still an impact. we recently released a study and found that the organizational commitment levels of university employees increased. and one of the causes that they were referencing was the spirit generated by the final four. |
You hear that, Christopher Gruber? | you hear that christopher | You hear that Christopher | you hear that, christopher gruber? |
MR. GRUBER: I am writing furiously. | mr gruber: i, am writing | MR GRUBER: I am writing | mr. gruber: i am writing furiously. |
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MR. GRUBER: You know, it's so wonderful to hear that 'cause, obviously I was questioning in my own mind how long will this last? And one of the biggest things here is maintaining community… | mr gruber: you know it's so; wonderful to. hear that 'cause obviously i was questioning in my own mind how long will this last? and one of the biggest things here is maintaining | MR, GRUBER: You know it's so wonderful to hear that 'cause, obviously I was questioning. in my own mind how long will this; last? And one, of, the biggest things here, is maintaining | mr. gruber: you know, it's so wonderful to hear that 'cause, obviously i was questioning in my own mind how long will this last? and one of the biggest things here is maintaining community… |
Yes. | yes. | ||
MR. GRUBER: …within Davidson. I think one of the reasons that this place is so electric is this is a victory, yes, for the men's basketball team. It's a victory for the college. But it's also a victory for this small town. And last night at 9:00 if you were on Main Street - and Main Street in Davidson is truly the main... | mr gruber: …within davidson i think one of the reasons that this place is so electric is this is a victory yes for the men's basketball team it's a victory for the college but. it's also a victory for this small town and last night at 9:00 if you. were on main street - and main street in davidson is truly the main stre... | MR GRUBER: …within Davidson I think one of. the reasons that; this. place is so electric is, this is a victory yes, for, the men's basketball, team It's a victory for the college But; it's also a victory for this small town And last night, at 9:00 if; you were on Main, Street - and Main Street, in Davidson, is truly th... | mr. gruber: …within davidson. i think one of the reasons that this place is so electric is this is a victory, yes, for the men's basketball team. it's a victory for the college. but it's also a victory for this small town. and last night at 9:00 if you were on main street - and main street in davidson is truly the main... |
Right. | right. | ||
Christopher Gruber, vice president for admissions and financial aid for Davidson College, and Robert Baker, director of sports management at George Mason University. Gentlemen, thank you very much. | christopher gruber vice, president for admissions and financial aid for davidson college and robert baker director of sports management, at george mason, university, gentlemen thank you very | Christopher Gruber vice president. for admissions and financial aid for Davidson, College and Robert Baker director of sports management at George Mason University. Gentlemen thank you very | christopher gruber, vice president for admissions and financial aid for davidson college, and robert baker, director of sports management at george mason university. gentlemen, thank you very much. |
Oh, thank you. | oh. thank | Oh thank | oh, thank you. |
MR. GRUBER: It's been a pleasure. And, Robert, if you think of anything else I hope you'll let me know. | mr gruber: it's been a pleasure and robert if you think of anything else, i hope you'll let me | MR GRUBER: It's been a pleasure And Robert if you think; of anything else I hope you'll let me | mr. gruber: it's been a pleasure. and, robert, if you think of anything else i hope you'll let me know. |
I will be in touch. | i will be in | I will be in | i will be in touch. |
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MR. GRUBER: Thank you. | mr gruber: thank | MR GRUBER: Thank | mr. gruber: thank you. |
The tenth seeded Davidson Wildcats are in the Elite 8 of this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament. They play the Number 1 seeded Kansas Jayhawks tomorrow afternoon. | the tenth seeded davidson wildcats are in the elite 8 of, this year's ncaa men's basketball tournament they play the number 1 seeded kansas jayhawks tomorrow | The tenth seeded Davidson Wildcats are in the Elite 8 of this year's, NCAA men's basketball, tournament They play, the, Number 1 seeded Kansas, Jayhawks tomorrow | the tenth seeded davidson wildcats are in the elite 8 of this year's ncaa men's basketball tournament. they play the number 1 seeded kansas jayhawks tomorrow afternoon. |
Big hurricanes can literally rearrange the landscape. Some storms change the political landscape as well. They have launched careers, ended them, influenced elections, brought eras to a close, which is one reason the Bush administration is making every effort to rebound from the blow it's been dea... | big hurricanes can. literally rearrange. the, landscape, some, storms change the political landscape, as well they have launched careers ended them influenced elections brought eras, to a close which. is one reason. the bush administration is making every effort to rebound from the blow it's been ... | Big hurricanes can literally rearrange the landscape Some storms change the political landscape as well They have launched careers. ended them influenced elections brought eras to a close which; is one reason, the Bush administration is making every effort to rebound from the blow it's been dealt ... | big hurricanes can literally rearrange the landscape. some storms change the political landscape as well. they have launched careers, ended them, influenced elections, brought eras to a close, which is one reason the bush administration is making every effort to rebound from the blow it's been dea... |
Any time a devastating hurricane strikes, it creates challenges and expectations for presidents. | any time. a devastating hurricane strikes it creates challenges and expectations for | Any time a devastating hurricane strikes it creates challenges and expectations for | any time a devastating hurricane strikes, it creates challenges and expectations for presidents. |
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Mr. EDWARD R. MURROW: The whole surface of the ocean is undulating, like some huge giant was shaking a carpet. Each huge wave seems to be dragging another along behind it. | mr edward r murrow: the whole surface of the ocean. is. undulating. like some huge, giant was shaking a carpet each huge wave seems to be, dragging another along behind | Mr EDWARD, R MURROW: The whole surface of the ocean is undulating like some huge giant was shaking a, carpet Each huge wave seems to be dragging another along behind | mr. edward r. murrow: the whole surface of the ocean is undulating, like some huge giant was shaking a carpet. each huge wave seems to be dragging another along behind it. |
That's CBS News' Edward R. Murrow, describing Hurricane Edna in 1954. From the early years of the television age, the nation has been able to watch while a storm races ashore and when the damage is significant, the critical questions come quickly for the White House. Presidential scholar Lance Deha... | that's. cbs news' edward r murrow describing hurricane edna in 1954. from the early years of the television age the nation has been able; to watch while a storm races ashore and when the damage is significant the critical questions come quickly for the white, house presidential scholar. lance dehav... | That's CBS News' Edward R Murrow describing Hurricane Edna in 1954. From the early years of the television age the nation has been able to watch while a, storm races ashore and when the damage is significant. the critical, questions come quickly for the White House. Presidential scholar Lance, Deha... | that's cbs news' edward r. murrow, describing hurricane edna in 1954. from the early years of the television age, the nation has been able to watch while a storm races ashore and when the damage is significant, the critical questions come quickly for the white house. presidential scholar lance deha... |
Oh, it is very much a challenge. It's an opportunity to shine if you can somehow pull out a great response, but it's much more likely that you're going to fall short. You've got an awful lot of people that are generally in trouble and in pain, and it's a long-lasting event. | oh it is very much a, challenge it's an opportunity to shine if you can somehow pull out a great response but, it's much more likely. that you're going to fall short you've got an awful lot of people that are generally in trouble and in pain and it's a long-lasting | Oh it is very much a, challenge It's, an opportunity to shine if you can. somehow pull out a great, response but it's much more likely that you're going to fall. short You've got an awful lot of, people that are generally in trouble and in pain and it's a long-lasting | oh, it is very much a challenge. it's an opportunity to shine if you can somehow pull out a great response, but it's much more likely that you're going to fall short. you've got an awful lot of people that are generally in trouble and in pain, and it's a long-lasting event. |
And any missteps make things even more difficult, such as President Bush's statement on ABC News about the New Orleans levees in his first interview after the storm hit. | and any missteps. make things even more difficult such as, president bush's statement on abc news; about the new, orleans levees; in his first interview after the storm | And any missteps make things even more difficult such as President Bush's. statement on ABC News about the New Orleans levees in his first interview after the storm, | and any missteps make things even more difficult, such as president bush's statement on abc news about the new orleans levees in his first interview after the storm hit. |
President GEORGE W. BUSH: I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. They did anticipate a serious storm, but these levees got breached, and as a result, much of New Orleans is flooded, and now we're having to deal with it and will. | president george w bush: i, don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. they did anticipate a serious, storm but, these levees got breached and as a result much of new; orleans is flooded; and now we're having to. deal with it and | President GEORGE W BUSH: I don't think; anybody anticipated the breach of the levees They did anticipate, a serious storm but these levees got breached and, as a result much of New Orleans is flooded and now we're having to, deal with it and | president george w. bush: i don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees. they did anticipate a serious storm, but these levees got breached, and as a result, much of new orleans is flooded, and now we're having to deal with it and will. |
In fact, there have long been predictions of broken levees devastating New Orleans. There were other problems for the administration early on after Katrina, including the Federal Emergency Management Agency not knowing about thousands stranded in hideous conditions in the Convention Center in New O... | in fact there have long been predictions of broken levees devastating new orleans there were other problems for the administration early on after katrina including the federal emergency management agency not. knowing about thousands stranded in hideous, conditions in the convention center in new or... | In fact there, have long been. predictions of broken levees devastating New Orleans There were other problems, for the. administration early on after Katrina including the Federal Emergency Management Agency not knowing about thousands, stranded in hideous conditions in the Convention Center in New... | in fact, there have long been predictions of broken levees devastating new orleans. there were other problems for the administration early on after katrina, including the federal emergency management agency not knowing about thousands stranded in hideous conditions in the convention center in new o... |
The fire and the police were on different frequencies, and the federal government was on a different frequency. So certainly there's an expectation that stupid things like that are never going to happen again in these kinds of terrible situations. Then Katrina happens, and we see not only is the r... | the fire and the police were on different frequencies and the federal government was on a different frequency so certainly there's an expectation that stupid. things like that are never going to. happen, again in these kinds of terrible situations then katrina happens and we see not only. is the r... | The fire and the police were on different frequencies and the federal government was on a different frequency So certainly there's, an expectation, that stupid things like that are never going, to happen again, in these kinds of terrible situations Then Katrina; happens and, we. see not. only is t... | the fire and the police were on different frequencies, and the federal government was on a different frequency. so certainly there's an expectation that stupid things like that are never going to happen again in these kinds of terrible situations. then katrina happens, and we see not only is the r... |
Apparently, the information from this program was not very timely, detailed, or easy to access, so people went elsewhere. The real question is, what is the Obama administration going to do with the information it still has from this program, when it was operating under the Bush administration? | apparently the information from this program, was not very, timely detailed. or easy to access so people went elsewhere the real question is what is the obama administration, going to do. with the information it still has from this program when it was operating under the bush | Apparently. the information from this program was not very timely detailed or easy to access so, people went elsewhere The real question is what is. the Obama administration going to do with the information it still has from this, program when it was operating under the Bush | apparently, the information from this program was not very timely, detailed, or easy to access, so people went elsewhere. the real question is, what is the obama administration going to do with the information it still has from this program, when it was operating under the bush administration? |
Okay. Thank you, Ari. | okay thank you | Okay Thank you | okay. thank you, ari. |
You're welcome. | you're | You're | you're welcome. |
It's NPR's Ari Shapiro. | it's npr's ari | It's. NPR's Ari | it's npr's ari shapiro. |
So, I learned a lot making a film and shooting film. And I enjoyed it. And she inspired me in so many different ways, in so many facets that I just kept wanting to film her. | so i learned a lot making a film and shooting film and, i enjoyed, it. and, she inspired me in so many different. ways in so many facets that i just kept wanting to film | So I learned a lot making a film and shooting film And I enjoyed, it. And she, inspired me in so many different ways in so many facets. that, I, just, kept, wanting, to film | so, i learned a lot making a film and shooting film. and i enjoyed it. and she inspired me in so many different ways, in so many facets that i just kept wanting to film her. |
There have been reality shows about Italian American life going back to A&E's "Growing Up Gotti" in 2004, and they continue today, from TLC's "Cake Boss" to Bravo's "The Real Housewives of New Jersey," a chronicle of Italian American matriarchs who don't exactly shy away from conflict. | there have been reality shows about italian american life going back to a&e's "growing up gotti" in. 2004, and they continue today from tlc's "cake boss" to bravo's "the real housewives of new jersey" a chronicle of italian american matriarchs who don't exactly shy away from | There have been reality shows about Italian. American life going back to A&E's "Growing Up Gotti" in 2004, and they continue today from TLC's. "Cake, Boss" to Bravo's, "The Real, Housewives of New Jersey" a chronicle of Italian American matriarchs who don't exactly shy, away from | there have been reality shows about italian american life going back to a&e's "growing up gotti" in 2004, and they continue today, from tlc's "cake boss" to bravo's "the real housewives of new jersey," a chronicle of italian american matriarchs who don't exactly shy away from conflict. |
(Soundbite of television program, "The Real Housewives of New Jersey") | (soundbite of television, program "the real housewives of new | (Soundbite of television program "The Real Housewives of New | (soundbite of television program, "the real housewives of new jersey") |
Unidentified Woman #2: There has to be something else. | unidentified woman #2: there has to be something | Unidentified Woman #2: There has to be something | unidentified woman #2: there has to be something else. |
Unidentified Woman #3: (Unintelligible) (BEEP) (Unintelligible) | unidentified woman | Unidentified Woman | unidentified woman #3: (unintelligible) (beep) (unintelligible) |
The stereotype of an Italian American is tailor-made for TV: loud, libidinous, abrasive, emotional. But reality shows change the moral equation. It's not as if writers dreamed these people into existence. And the people on these shows are so clearly proud of their ethnic identities. So who's to say what an appropriate ... | the stereotype of an italian american is. tailor-made for tv: loud libidinous abrasive emotional but reality shows change the moral equation it's. not as if writers dreamed these people into existence and the, people on these shows are so clearly proud of their ethnic identities so who's to say what an. appropriate por... | The stereotype of an, Italian American is tailor-made. for TV: loud libidinous abrasive emotional, But reality shows change the moral equation It's. not as if writers dreamed these people into, existence And the people on. these shows are so clearly proud, of their ethnic identities So who's to say what an. appropriate... | the stereotype of an italian american is tailor-made for tv: loud, libidinous, abrasive, emotional. but reality shows change the moral equation. it's not as if writers dreamed these people into existence. and the people on these shows are so clearly proud of their ethnic identities. so who's to say what an appropriate ... |
And would networks give these people a venue if they didn't fit these stereotypes to a T? Of course not. But the problem is we rarely see portrayals besides these caricatures. It's about time TV diversified beyond macho goons and their pasta-making mamas. | and would networks give, these people a venue if they didn't fit these stereotypes to. a t? of course not but the problem is we rarely see portrayals besides these caricatures it's about time tv diversified beyond macho goons and their pasta-making | And would networks give these people a. venue if they didn't fit these. stereotypes to a T? Of course not But, the problem is we rarely see, portrayals besides these caricatures It's about time TV diversified beyond macho goons and their pasta-making | and would networks give these people a venue if they didn't fit these stereotypes to a t? of course not. but the problem is we rarely see portrayals besides these caricatures. it's about time tv diversified beyond macho goons and their pasta-making mamas. |
That's commentator Andrew Wallenstein of The Hollywood Reporter. | that's, commentator. andrew wallenstein of the hollywood, | That's commentator. Andrew Wallenstein of The, Hollywood | that's commentator andrew wallenstein of the hollywood reporter. |
From NPR News, it's ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Robert Siegel. | from npr news it's all things considered i'm robert | From NPR News it's ALL THINGS. CONSIDERED I'm Robert | from npr news, it's all things considered. i'm robert siegel. |
News now of an investigation of government surveillance. Five inspectors general collaborated on an examination of President Bush's domestic spying program, and a declassified summary of their findings is now making its way through Washington. Among other things, it answers the question of whether former Attorney Gener... | news, now of an investigation. of government surveillance five inspectors general, collaborated on an examination of president bush's domestic spying program and a declassified summary, of their, findings is now making its, way through washington. among other things it answers the question. of whether former attorney, ... | News now of an investigation of government surveillance Five inspectors general. collaborated on an examination of President Bush's domestic spying. program and a declassified summary of their, findings is now making its way, through Washington Among other things it answers the question. of whether former Attorney Gene... | news now of an investigation of government surveillance. five inspectors general collaborated on an examination of president bush's domestic spying program, and a declassified summary of their findings is now making its way through washington. among other things, it answers the question of whether former attorney gener... |
NPR's Ari Shapiro has been looking through this document. It's also at npr.org. And Ari is here to talk about it now. Hi. | npr's ari shapiro, has been looking through this document it's also at npr.org and ari is here to talk about it now | NPR's Ari. Shapiro has been looking through this; document It's, also at npr.org. And. Ari is here to talk about it now | npr's ari shapiro has been looking through this document. it's also at npr.org. and ari is here to talk about it now. hi. |
Hi, Robert. | hi | Hi | hi, robert. |
So, what did we find out about the domestic spying program? | so what did we find out about the domestic spying | So what, did we find out about the domestic spying | so, what did we find out about the domestic spying program? |
Well, that it was much bigger than we knew or even that we still know. You know, in 2005, the New York Times revealed part of this program, that the government was eavesdropping on Americans without a warrant. Well, apparently, that was just one facet of a much broader program. The other elements remain classified. We ... | well that it was much bigger than we knew or even that we still know you know in 2005, the, new york times revealed. part of this program that the government was eavesdropping on, americans. without a warrant well apparently that was just. one; facet of a much broader, program; the other elements remain classified; we ... | Well that it was much, bigger than we knew or even that we still know You; know in 2005, the New York Times revealed part of this program that the government was eavesdropping on, Americans without a warrant Well apparently that was just one facet of a much broader program The other elements. remain classified We still... | well, that it was much bigger than we knew or even that we still know. you know, in 2005, the new york times revealed part of this program, that the government was eavesdropping on americans without a warrant. well, apparently, that was just one facet of a much broader program. the other elements remain classified. we ... |
We do know that in 2007, Congress passed a law that brought almost everything the president had been doing up to that point under congressional legal approval. And at that point, the president stopped authorizing out of the White House. | we do, know that in; 2007, congress passed a law that brought almost everything the president had been doing up to that point under congressional. legal approval and at that. point the president stopped authorizing. out of the white | We do know. that in 2007, Congress passed. a law that brought almost everything the president had been doing; up to that point under congressional legal approval And, at, that point the president stopped authorizing out of the White | we do know that in 2007, congress passed a law that brought almost everything the president had been doing up to that point under congressional legal approval. and at that point, the president stopped authorizing out of the white house. |
How secret was this program? | how secret was this | How secret was this | how secret was this program? |
Oh, it was incredibly secret in the early stages. For example, there was only one attorney in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel who was writing legal memos, addressing whether this was a legal program or not. His name was John Yoo. Well, his boss who ran the Office of Legal Counsel, didn't even know abou... | oh it was incredibly, secret in the early stages for example there was only one attorney in the justice department's office of legal counsel who was. writing legal memos, addressing whether this was a legal program or not, his name was john yoo well his boss; who. ran the office of legal counsel didn't even know about ... | Oh it was incredibly secret, in the, early stages For example there was only one attorney in the Justice Department's Office, of Legal Counsel who was writing legal memos. addressing whether this was a legal program or not His name was John Yoo Well his boss who ran the Office of Legal Counsel didn't even know about th... | oh, it was incredibly secret in the early stages. for example, there was only one attorney in the justice department's office of legal counsel who was writing legal memos, addressing whether this was a legal program or not. his name was john yoo. well, his boss who ran the office of legal counsel, didn't even know abou... |
Only the president would personally authorize each person to learn about this program. And according to the report, that was a real problem because, for example, John Yoo, who was writing these legal memos about whether the program was constitutional, well, apparently, he made factual errors. He described things about ... | only the president would personally authorize each person to learn about this program and according; to, the report that was a real problem because for example john yoo who was writing these legal memos, about whether the program was constitutional well apparently he made factual errors he. described, things about the ... | Only the president would personally authorize each person to learn about this program. And, according to the report that was, a real problem because for example John Yoo who was writing these legal memos about whether the, program was constitutional well. apparently he made factual errors He described things about the ... | only the president would personally authorize each person to learn about this program. and according to the report, that was a real problem because, for example, john yoo, who was writing these legal memos about whether the program was constitutional, well, apparently, he made factual errors. he described things about ... |
Now, as you reported before, people threatened to resign over this program. | now as you reported; before people threatened to resign over this | Now as, you reported before people threatened to resign over this | now, as you reported before, people threatened to resign over this program. |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
Did the inspectors general have anything to say about that? | did the inspectors general have anything to, say about, | Did the inspectors general have anything to say about | did the inspectors general have anything to say about that? |
Yeah. In fact, there were some new details about it. Well, you may remember, James Comey was the deputy attorney general under John Ashcroft. And when Ashcroft became very sick and went into the hospital, Comey became acting attorney general and determined, after reading John Yu's legal memos, that this program was not... | yeah, in; fact there. were some new details about it well you may remember james comey was the deputy attorney general under, john, ashcroft and when, ashcroft became very sick and went into the hospital, comey became acting attorney general and determined after reading john yu's legal memos that this program was not l... | Yeah In fact there, were some, new details about, it Well. you may remember James Comey was the deputy attorney general under John Ashcroft And when Ashcroft became very sick and went into the hospital Comey became acting attorney general and determined after reading John Yu's legal memos that this program was not lega... | yeah. in fact, there were some new details about it. well, you may remember, james comey was the deputy attorney general under john ashcroft. and when ashcroft became very sick and went into the hospital, comey became acting attorney general and determined, after reading john yu's legal memos, that this program was not... |
Well, somebody sent the White House's top lawyer, Alberto Gonzales, and the president's chief of staff, Andrew Card, to the hospital where John Ashcroft was sick in bed. They confronted Ashcroft, asked him to override his deputy. And until today, we did not know who orchestrated that confrontation. I'm going to play a ... | well, somebody sent the white house's top lawyer alberto gonzales and, the president's chief of staff andrew card to the hospital where john ashcroft, was sick in bed they confronted ashcroft asked him to, override his deputy and until today we did not, know who orchestrated that confrontation i'm going to play a cut o... | Well somebody sent the, White House's top lawyer Alberto Gonzales and the president's chief of staff Andrew Card to the hospital where John Ashcroft was sick in bed They confronted Ashcroft, asked him to override his deputy And until today we did not know who orchestrated that confrontation I'm going. to; play, a cut o... | well, somebody sent the white house's top lawyer, alberto gonzales, and the president's chief of staff, andrew card, to the hospital where john ashcroft was sick in bed. they confronted ashcroft, asked him to override his deputy. and until today, we did not know who orchestrated that confrontation. i'm going to play a ... |
Okay. | okay. | ||
(Soundbite of testimony) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of testimony) |
Mr. JAMES B. COMEY Jr. (Former Deputy Attorney General): Mrs. Ashcroft reported that a call had come through, and that as a result of that call, Mr. Card and Mr. Gonzales were on their way to the hospital to see Mr. Ashcroft. | mr james b comey jr (former deputy attorney. general): mrs, ashcroft reported that a call had come through and that as a result of that call mr card and mr gonzales. were on their way to the hospital to see, mr | Mr JAMES B COMEY Jr, (Former Deputy Attorney General): Mrs Ashcroft reported that a call, had come through and that as a result of that call Mr Card and, Mr Gonzales were. on their way to the hospital to see Mr | mr. james b. comey jr. (former deputy attorney general): mrs. ashcroft reported that a call had come through, and that as a result of that call, mr. card and mr. gonzales were on their way to the hospital to see mr. ashcroft. |
Do you have any idea who that call was from? | do you have any idea who, that call was | Do you have any idea who that call, was | do you have any idea who that call was from? |
Mr. COMEY Jr.: I have some recollection that the call was from the president himself, but I don't know that for sure. It came from the White House. | mr comey jr.: i have some recollection. that the call was from, the president himself but i don't know that for sure it came from the, white | Mr COMEY Jr.: I have some recollection that the call was from the president, himself but I don't know. that for sure It, came from the White | mr. comey jr.: i have some recollection that the call was from the president himself, but i don't know that for sure. it came from the white house. |
President Bush said he wasn't going to talk about whether it was him or not. Well, this report says the call did come from President Bush. | president bush said he wasn't going to talk about whether it was him or not well this report says the; call did come from, president | President Bush said he wasn't going to talk about whether it was him or not Well this report says the call did come from President | president bush said he wasn't going to talk about whether it was him or not. well, this report says the call did come from president bush. |
And what does the report conclude about whether Alberto Gonzalez lied to Congress? | and what does the report conclude about whether alberto gonzalez lied to | And, what does the report conclude about whether Alberto Gonzalez lied to | and what does the report conclude about whether alberto gonzalez lied to congress? |
Well, it says he did not intend to mislead Congress about whether there was a disagreement over this program. But his testimony, quote, "was confusing, inaccurate, and had the effect of misleading those who were not knowledgeable about the program." | well it says he did not intend to mislead congress about whether. there was, a disagreement over this program but his testimony quote "was confusing inaccurate and had the effect of misleading those who were not knowledgeable about the, | Well it says he. did not intend to, mislead Congress about whether, there was a disagreement over this program But his testimony quote, "was confusing inaccurate and had the effect of misleading those who were not knowledgeable about, the | well, it says he did not intend to mislead congress about whether there was a disagreement over this program. but his testimony, quote, "was confusing, inaccurate, and had the effect of misleading those who were not knowledgeable about the program." |
Now, does this report say whether the program produced any useful information in the intelligence? | now does this report say whether the program produced any useful information in. the | Now does, this report say whether. the program. produced any useful information in, the | now, does this report say whether the program produced any useful information in the intelligence? |
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