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Not now. Not when there's so much at stake. One week. | not now, not. when there's so much at stake one | Not now Not when there's, so much at stake One | not now. not when there's so much at stake. one week. |
NPR's Don Gonyea is traveling with Senator Obama. Hello, Don. | npr's don gonyea is traveling with senator obama hello | NPR's Don Gonyea is traveling with Senator, Obama Hello | npr's don gonyea is traveling with senator obama. hello, don. |
Hi there. | hi | Hi | hi there. |
Now, we understand that Obama today is delivering what he's calling closing arguments. What's new there? | now we understand that obama today is delivering what he's calling; closing arguments what's new | Now we understand that Obama today is delivering what he's calling closing arguments, What's new | now, we understand that obama today is delivering what he's calling closing arguments. what's new there? |
Well, it's a courtroom term. And in closing arguments of a case, you don't get a lot of new stuff. You get all the key points packaged into a concise coherent narrative for the jury, or in this case, of course, the voters. And it really is kind of a greatest hits speech. Let me just tick off some of the highlights. It'... | well it's a courtroom term and in. closing arguments of a, case you don't get a lot of new. stuff you get all the key points packaged into a, concise coherent narrative for the jury or in this case of course the voters, and it really is kind of a greatest hits speech let me just, tick off some of the highlights it'll a... | Well it's a courtroom, term And in closing arguments of a case you don't get a lot of new stuff You get all the key points packaged into a concise coherent narrative for the jury or in, this case of course the, voters. And it really is kind of, a greatest, hits speech Let me just tick off some of the highlights It'll a... | well, it's a courtroom term. and in closing arguments of a case, you don't get a lot of new stuff. you get all the key points packaged into a concise coherent narrative for the jury, or in this case, of course, the voters. and it really is kind of a greatest hits speech. let me just tick off some of the highlights. it'... |
He talked about the respect that he has for John McCain, but that John McCain is wrong on the issues. And there was also, though, a sense - something that we've started to see in recent weeks in the campaign - of preparing Americans for the sacrifices that they are going to have to face once a new president takes over. | he talked about the respect that he has for john mccain but that john mccain is wrong on the issues and there was also though a sense - something that we've started to. see in recent weeks in the campaign - of preparing americans for the sacrifices that they are going to have to face once a new president takes | He talked about the; respect that he has; for, John McCain but that John McCain is wrong on the issues And there was also though a sense - something, that we've started to see in recent weeks in the. campaign, - of preparing Americans for the sacrifices that they are going to have to face once a new president takes | he talked about the respect that he has for john mccain, but that john mccain is wrong on the issues. and there was also, though, a sense - something that we've started to see in recent weeks in the campaign - of preparing americans for the sacrifices that they are going to have to face once a new president takes over. |
So a concise narrative with lots of familiar themes. But did you see or hear a change in tone? | so a concise narrative with lots of. familiar themes but did you see or hear a change in | So a. concise, narrative with lots of familiar themes But did you see or hear a change in | so a concise narrative with lots of familiar themes. but did you see or hear a change in tone? |
Yes. It's all about the urgency. I mean, the election is upon us. People are already voting all across the country in early voting. And a lot of this speech - I'd actually like to play a pretty lengthy segment of it for you, the closing - what it does is it brings us back in a lot of ways full circle to where he was wh... | yes it's. all. about the urgency i mean the election is upon us people are already voting all across the. country in early voting and a lot of this speech - i'd actually like to play a pretty lengthy segment of it for you the closing - what it does is it brings us back in a lot of ways full circle to where he was when ... | Yes It's, all about the urgency I mean the election is upon us People are already voting all across the country in early voting; And, a lot of this speech - I'd actually like to play a pretty, lengthy segment of it for you the closing - what it, does is it brings us back in a lot of ways full, circle to where he was wh... | yes. it's all about the urgency. i mean, the election is upon us. people are already voting all across the country in early voting. and a lot of this speech - i'd actually like to play a pretty lengthy segment of it for you, the closing - what it does is it brings us back in a lot of ways full circle to where he was wh... |
(Soundbite of Democratic campaign rally) | (soundbite, of democratic campaign | (Soundbite of Democratic campaign | (soundbite of democratic campaign rally) |
In one week, we can choose hope over fear and unity over division, the promise of change over the power of the status quo. In one week, we can come together as one nation and one people and once more choose our better history. That's what's at stake. That's what we're fighting for. And if in this last week you'll knock... | in one week we, can choose hope, over; fear. and unity over, division the promise of change over the power of the status quo in one week we can come together as one nation and one people and once more choose our better history that's what's at stake that's what we're fighting for and if in this last week you'll knock o... | In one week we can choose hope over fear and; unity over division the promise of change over; the power of the status quo In one week we can come together as one nation and one people and once more choose our better history That's what's at stake That's what we're fighting for And if in this last week. you'll knock on ... | in one week, we can choose hope over fear and unity over division, the promise of change over the power of the status quo. in one week, we can come together as one nation and one people and once more choose our better history. that's what's at stake. that's what we're fighting for. and if in this last week you'll knock... |
(Soundbite of crowd ovation) | (soundbite of crowd | (Soundbite of crowd | (soundbite of crowd ovation) |
(Soundbite of song "Signed, Sealed, Delivered, I'm Yours") | (soundbite of song "signed sealed delivered i'm | (Soundbite of song "Signed. Sealed Delivered I'm | (soundbite of song "signed, sealed, delivered, i'm yours") |
And there we hear the beginning strains of "Signed, Sealed, Delivered," Barack Obama's signature song. The race is not yet delivered for him, so what's the strategy with one week to go? | and there we hear the beginning strains of "signed sealed delivered" barack obama's signature song the race is. not yet delivered for him, so what's the strategy with one week to | And there we hear the beginning strains of "Signed Sealed Delivered" Barack Obama's signature song. The, race is, not yet delivered for, him so what's, the strategy with one week to | and there we hear the beginning strains of "signed, sealed, delivered," barack obama's signature song. the race is not yet delivered for him, so what's the strategy with one week to go? |
It'll be battleground states the rest of the way. Ohio and Pennsylvania today, Pennsylvania again tomorrow, Florida on Wednesday. After that we don't know specifically where, but a lot of the states will be places where Republicans have won the past couple of elections and where Senator Obama hopes to win this year. | it'll be battleground. states the rest of the way ohio and pennsylvania today pennsylvania again tomorrow florida on wednesday after that we don't know specifically where but a lot, of the states will, be places where republicans have won the past couple of elections and where senator obama hopes to win this, | It'll be battleground states the rest of the way Ohio and. Pennsylvania today Pennsylvania again tomorrow Florida on Wednesday After that we don't know specifically where but a lot of the states will be places where Republicans have won the past couple of, elections and where Senator Obama hopes to win this | it'll be battleground states the rest of the way. ohio and pennsylvania today, pennsylvania again tomorrow, florida on wednesday. after that we don't know specifically where, but a lot of the states will be places where republicans have won the past couple of elections and where senator obama hopes to win this year. |
And before I let you go, what do we know about this half-hour ad buy that the campaign has set for Wednesday night? | and before i let, you go what do we know about this half-hour ad buy that the campaign has set for. wednesday | And before I let you go what do we know about this half-hour ad, buy that the, campaign has set for Wednesday | and before i let you go, what do we know about this half-hour ad buy that the campaign has set for wednesday night? |
What it will consist of is a very closely held secret at this point by the campaign. But it is a half an hour paid time on NBC, CBS, Univision, the BET Network, Fox, and MSNBC. Again, no details yet as to what will be in it. | what it will consist of is, a very closely held secret, at this point by the campaign but it is a half an hour paid time. on nbc cbs univision the bet, network fox and msnbc again no details yet as to what will be in | What it will consist of is a very closely, held secret at this point by the campaign But it is a half an hour paid; time on NBC CBS Univision the BET Network Fox and MSNBC, Again no details yet as to what will be in | what it will consist of is a very closely held secret at this point by the campaign. but it is a half an hour paid time on nbc, cbs, univision, the bet network, fox, and msnbc. again, no details yet as to what will be in it. |
That's NPR's Don Gonyea speaking to us from Ohio. Don, thanks so much. | that's. npr's don gonyea speaking to us; from ohio don thanks so | That's NPR's Don Gonyea. speaking to, us from Ohio Don thanks so | that's npr's don gonyea speaking to us from ohio. don, thanks so much. |
You're welcome. | you're | You're. | you're welcome. |
Wild fires in Texas have burned more than 1,000 square miles of grass and brush. The fires have claimed 11 lives since Sunday. Several towns remain evacuated. Crews made progress in bringing the fires under control yesterday, but winds are expected to pick up, and there's no rain in the forecast until this weekend. NPR... | wild fires, in, texas have burned more than 1,000 square miles of grass and brush the, fires have claimed 11 lives since sunday, several towns remain evacuated crews made progress in bringing the fires under control yesterday. but winds are. expected, to pick up and there's no rain in the, forecast; until this weekend,... | Wild fires in Texas have. burned more than 1,000 square. miles of grass and brush The fires have claimed 11 lives since Sunday Several towns remain evacuated Crews made progress in bringing the fires under control yesterday but winds; are expected to pick up; and there's no rain in the forecast until this weekend NPR's... | wild fires in texas have burned more than 1,000 square miles of grass and brush. the fires have claimed 11 lives since sunday. several towns remain evacuated. crews made progress in bringing the fires under control yesterday, but winds are expected to pick up, and there's no rain in the forecast until this weekend. npr... |
Outside a hanger at a small airport in Amarillo sits a travel trailer. It's the command center for two of the largest fires in the Texas panhandle. The Borger fire has burned about 450,000 acres, the I-40 fire 350,000 acres. Inside the trailer, incident Commander Shane Brown sits with a cell phone, a lap top, and a wor... | outside a hanger, at a small airport in amarillo sits a travel trailer it's the command center for, two of the largest, fires in the texas panhandle the borger fire has burned about 450,000 acres the i-40 fire 350,000 acres inside the. trailer incident commander shane, brown sits with a cell, phone a lap top and a worn... | Outside a hanger, at a small airport in Amarillo sits a travel. trailer It's the command center for two of, the largest fires, in the, Texas panhandle The Borger fire has burned about 450,000 acres the, I-40 fire 350,000 acres Inside the trailer incident, Commander Shane Brown sits with a cell phone a lap top and. a. w... | outside a hanger at a small airport in amarillo sits a travel trailer. it's the command center for two of the largest fires in the texas panhandle. the borger fire has burned about 450,000 acres, the i-40 fire 350,000 acres. inside the trailer, incident commander shane brown sits with a cell phone, a lap top, and a wor... |
The big circles here are the perimeter of my fires. And as you can see the two fires have almost merged together. | the big circles here are the perimeter of my fires and as you can see the two fires have almost merged | The big, circles here are the perimeter of my fires, And as you can see the two fires have almost, merged | the big circles here are the perimeter of my fires. and as you can see the two fires have almost merged together. |
The circles cover only a small portion of the map, but Texas is a big state. Brown runs his finger along one side of the Borger fire. | the circles cover only a small portion of the map but texas is a big state brown runs his finger along one side of the borger | The circles cover only, a small portion of the map but Texas is a. big state Brown runs his finger along one side of, the Borger, | the circles cover only a small portion of the map, but texas is a big state. brown runs his finger along one side of the borger fire. |
This is about 40 mile, or 45 miles long. | this is about 40 mile or, 45 miles | This is about 40 mile or 45 miles | this is about 40 mile, or 45 miles long. |
Just on the north side there? | just on the north side | Just on the north side | just on the north side there? |
Yeah, just along the north side. | yeah just along the north | Yeah just along the north | yeah, just along the north side. |
The I-40 fire is 35 miles across. It's burning in grass and brush that's up to four and a half feet tall. Brown says, that fuel and the terrain are causing problems. | the, i-40 fire is 35 miles across it's burning in grass. and brush that's up to four and a half feet tall brown says that fuel and the terrain are causing, | The I-40 fire is 35 miles across It's burning in grass and. brush that's up to four, and a half feet tall Brown says that fuel and the terrain are causing, | the i-40 fire is 35 miles across. it's burning in grass and brush that's up to four and a half feet tall. brown says, that fuel and the terrain are causing problems. |
It's a long way from being flat, very rolling, deep ravines and canyons that they can't get equipment across. So, we're having a lot of control problems just due to the terrain. | it's a long way from being flat, very rolling deep ravines and canyons that they can't get equipment across so we're having a lot of control. problems just due, to the | It's a long way from being; flat very rolling deep ravines, and canyons that they can't get equipment across So we're having a lot of control problems just due to, the | it's a long way from being flat, very rolling, deep ravines and canyons that they can't get equipment across. so, we're having a lot of control problems just due to the terrain. |
Brown relies on a fleet of two dozen air tankers to fight the blaze. Outside, a single engine plane that carries about 750 gallons of red fire retardant is getting ready to leave. | brown relies on a fleet of two dozen, air tankers to. fight. the; blaze outside a single engine plane that carries about 750 gallons of red fire retardant is getting ready to | Brown relies on; a fleet of two dozen air tankers to fight the blaze Outside a single engine plane that carries about 750 gallons of red fire retardant is getting ready to | brown relies on a fleet of two dozen air tankers to fight the blaze. outside, a single engine plane that carries about 750 gallons of red fire retardant is getting ready to leave. |
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So… | so… | ||
Will? | will? | ||
Now to Wikipedia. Ever since the user-written online encyclopedia launched in 2001, there's been a fierce debate about the reliability of its information. At first, Wikipedia could be edited by anyone. Then it could be edited by anyone who was registered. And now articles about living people will require verification f... | now to, wikipedia ever since the user-written online. encyclopedia launched in 2001, there's been a fierce debate about the reliability of its information at first wikipedia could. be edited by anyone. then it could be edited by anyone who, was registered and now articles about living people will require verification f... | Now to Wikipedia Ever since the user-written, online encyclopedia launched in. 2001, there's been a fierce debate about, the reliability of its, information At, first Wikipedia could. be edited by anyone Then it could be edited by anyone who was registered And now. articles about living people. will require verificatio... | now to wikipedia. ever since the user-written online encyclopedia launched in 2001, there's been a fierce debate about the reliability of its information. at first, wikipedia could be edited by anyone. then it could be edited by anyone who was registered. and now articles about living people will require verification f... |
We'll talk about what this means for the landmark experiment in online collaboration. And we want to hear from you. Does this change the philosophy of Wikipedia? Are you happy with the change? The number is 800-989-8255. The email address is talk@npr.org. And as always, you can join the conversation at our Web site; go... | we'll, talk about what this means for the landmark experiment in online collaboration. and we want to hear from; you does this change the, philosophy of wikipedia? are you happy with the change? the number is 800-989-8255. the email address is talk@npr.org and as always, you can join. the conversation at our web site g... | We'll, talk, about what this means for the, landmark experiment in online collaboration And we want to. hear from you Does this change the philosophy of Wikipedia? Are you happy with the change? The number is 800-989-8255. The. email address is talk@npr.org And as always you can join the conversation at our Web site go... | we'll talk about what this means for the landmark experiment in online collaboration. and we want to hear from you. does this change the philosophy of wikipedia? are you happy with the change? the number is 800-989-8255. the email address is talk@npr.org. and as always, you can join the conversation at our web site; go... |
Joining me now is Jimmy Wales. He is at the Wikimania conference in Buenos Aires, Argentina. He's the founder of the Wikipedia - Wikimedia Foundation, excuse me. | joining me now is jimmy wales he, is at the wikimania conference in buenos aires argentina he's the founder. of the wikipedia - wikimedia foundation excuse | Joining me. now. is, Jimmy Wales He is at the; Wikimania conference in Buenos Aires Argentina He's the. founder of the Wikipedia - Wikimedia Foundation excuse | joining me now is jimmy wales. he is at the wikimania conference in buenos aires, argentina. he's the founder of the wikipedia - wikimedia foundation, excuse me. |
Welcome back to the program, Jimmy. | welcome. back to the program | Welcome back to the program | welcome back to the program, jimmy. |
Hi, thanks for having me on. | hi thanks for having me | Hi. thanks. for having me | hi, thanks for having me on. |
One thing that seems pertinent is that today Senator Edward Kennedy died, but his death was first reported, falsely, on Wikipedia on January 20th. Would these new regulations help with that kind of thing? | one thing that seems pertinent is that. today senator edward kennedy died but his death was first reported falsely on wikipedia on january 20th would these new regulations help with that kind of. | One thing that seems pertinent is that today Senator Edward Kennedy died but his death was first reported falsely on Wikipedia on January 20th Would these new regulations help with that kind of | one thing that seems pertinent is that today senator edward kennedy died, but his death was first reported, falsely, on wikipedia on january 20th. would these new regulations help with that kind of thing? |
Yeah. But I think I should probably start off with some major editing to the introduction that you gave because… | yeah but i think i should probably start off with some major editing to the introduction that you. gave | Yeah But I think I should probably start off with some major editing to the introduction that you gave | yeah. but i think i should probably start off with some major editing to the introduction that you gave because… |
Okay. | okay. | ||
(Soundbite of laughter) | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of | (soundbite of laughter) |
…the description you gave of the history of Wikipedia was basically all wrong. So… | …the description you, gave of the history of wikipedia was basically all wrong | …the description you gave of the history of Wikipedia was basically, all wrong | …the description you gave of the history of wikipedia was basically all wrong. so… |
We're batting oh-for-two today. | we're batting oh-for-two | We're. batting oh-for-two | we're batting oh-for-two today. |
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Go ahead. | go | Go | go ahead. |
So in the beginning, anybody could edit Wikipedia. And then anybody could edit Wikipedia. And as of tomorrow, anybody can edit Wikipedia. The idea that only registered users can edit, that's completely false. That's never been true. | so in the beginning anybody could. edit wikipedia and then anybody could edit wikipedia and as of tomorrow anybody can. edit wikipedia the idea that only registered users can edit that's completely false that's never been | So in, the, beginning anybody could edit Wikipedia And, then anybody could. edit Wikipedia And; as of tomorrow anybody can edit Wikipedia The idea that only registered users can edit that's completely false That's never been | so in the beginning, anybody could edit wikipedia. and then anybody could edit wikipedia. and as of tomorrow, anybody can edit wikipedia. the idea that only registered users can edit, that's completely false. that's never been true. |
Okay. | okay. | ||
And the purpose of what we're doing here is to open up editing to more articles rather than any kind of a locking down or closing down or more tight regulation. That's just completely not correct. What we're doing is - it's a new feature. | and the purpose of what we're doing here is to. open up editing, to more articles rather than any, kind of a locking down or closing, down or more tight regulation that's just completely not correct what we're doing is - it's; a new | And the purpose of what we're doing here is to open up editing to, more articles rather than any kind of a locking down or closing down or more tight, regulation That's just completely not. correct What we're doing is - it's a. new | and the purpose of what we're doing here is to open up editing to more articles rather than any kind of a locking down or closing down or more tight regulation. that's just completely not correct. what we're doing is - it's a new feature. |
So traditionally what we do, as in the case of high risk articles, high risk biographies, when there's a problem, we're forced to protect the article or lock them. And there are thousands of articles like this. | so traditionally. what we do, as in the case of high, risk articles high risk biographies when there's a problem we're forced to protect the article, or lock them and there are thousands of; articles like | So traditionally what we do as in the case of high risk articles high risk biographies when there's a problem we're forced to protect the article. or lock, them And there are thousands of articles like | so traditionally what we do, as in the case of high risk articles, high risk biographies, when there's a problem, we're forced to protect the article or lock them. and there are thousands of articles like this. |
That you do not allow anyone to edit, in fact, right? | that you do not allow anyone to edit in fact | That you do not allow anyone to edit in fact | that you do not allow anyone to edit, in fact, right? |
Some are full protected, which means, yes, no one is able to edit them. And that's usually for a very short period of time to deal with a huge quarrel or something. More typically, we will what we call semi-protect, which means you can't edit those articles unless you've had an account for at least four days. And again... | some, are. full protected which means yes no one, is, able to edit them and that's usually for a very short period of time to deal, with a. huge quarrel or something more typically we will what we call. semi-protect which means you can't edit those articles unless you've had, an account for at least four days. and agai... | Some are full protected which means yes no one, is able to edit them And that's usually for a very short period of time to deal with a, huge quarrel or something More typically, we will what we call semi-protect which means you can't edit those articles unless you've had, an account for at least four days And again we ... | some are full protected, which means, yes, no one is able to edit them. and that's usually for a very short period of time to deal with a huge quarrel or something. more typically, we will what we call semi-protect, which means you can't edit those articles unless you've had an account for at least four days. and again... |
So for those you do have to be a registered user and… | so for those you do have, to be a registered user | So, for those you do have to be a, registered user | so for those you do have to be a registered user and… |
For four days, yes. | for four days | For; four days, | for four days, yes. |
Okay. | okay. | ||
For articles that are particularly high risk. And then finally we - what we're looking to do now is open those articles up and allow people to edit them even if they're not registered, even if they are, you know, completely brand new to the site. And we're going to take those edits and those will be reviewed by people ... | for articles that are; particularly high risk and then finally we - what we're looking to do now is open those articles up and. allow people, to edit, them even if they're not registered even if they; are you know completely brand new to the, site and we're going to; take those edits and those will be reviewed by. peop... | For articles that are particularly high risk And then finally we - what we're. looking to; do now is open those articles up and allow, people to edit them even if, they're not registered even if they are you know completely brand new to the site And we're going to take those edits and those will be reviewed by people w... | for articles that are particularly high risk. and then finally we - what we're looking to do now is open those articles up and allow people to edit them even if they're not registered, even if they are, you know, completely brand new to the site. and we're going to take those edits and those will be reviewed by people ... |
So all edits? | so all | So, all | so all edits? |
No, just particular high risk articles. The - essentially the same articles. But we're also looking at using this a little more broadly than we were able to use protection for - particularly the community has a very keen interest in using it for biographies of living people. Because those are always a sensitive area. | no just particular high risk articles the - essentially the same articles but we're also looking at using this a little more broadly than we were. able to use protection for - particularly the community has a very keen interest, in using it for, biographies of living. people because those are always a sensitive | No just particular high risk articles The - essentially. the same articles But we're also looking at using this a little more broadly than we were able to use protection for - particularly the community has a. very keen; interest in using it for biographies of living people Because those. are always a sensitive | no, just particular high risk articles. the - essentially the same articles. but we're also looking at using this a little more broadly than we were able to use protection for - particularly the community has a very keen interest in using it for biographies of living people. because those are always a sensitive area. |
So for most biographies, are you saying that they will still be - you will still be able to edit most of them not being a registered user, anyone can do it? | so for most biographies are you saying that they will. still be - you will still be able, to, edit most of them. not being a registered user anyone can do; | So for most biographies are you saying, that they will still be - you will still be able to; edit most of them not. being. a. registered user anyone can do | so for most biographies, are you saying that they will still be - you will still be able to edit most of them not being a registered user, anyone can do it? |
Yes. | yes. | ||
This is a new way to deal with the ones that are more controversial. | this is a new way to deal with the ones that are more | This is a new way. to deal. with the ones that are more | this is a new way to deal with the ones that are more controversial. |
Exactly. And then for those, for those - for the first time in a very long time, you will be able, as an unregistered user who's never been on the site before, to go and edit, for example, Barack Obama or George W. Bush. Those are articles that have traditionally been under semi-protection for, you know, more or less a... | exactly and. then for those for those; - for the first time in a very long, time you will be. able as an unregistered user who's never been on the site before to go and. edit for example barack obama or george w bush those are, articles that have traditionally been under semi-protection for, you know more or less an in... | Exactly And then for those for those - for the first time in a very long time you will be able as an. unregistered user who's never been on the site before to go and edit for example Barack Obama or George W Bush Those are articles that have traditionally been under semi-protection for you know more or. less an indefin... | exactly. and then for those, for those - for the first time in a very long time, you will be able, as an unregistered user who's never been on the site before, to go and edit, for example, barack obama or george w. bush. those are articles that have traditionally been under semi-protection for, you know, more or less a... |
You know, I remember this - one of the big splashes that this problem made a few years ago was when members of Congress - their staffers were changing the biography entries of the member of Congress that they worked for, to erase things like divorces and things that they didn't want in their biographies. And at that ti... | you know i remember this - one of the big splashes, that this problem made a few years ago was when members of congress - their staffers were changing the. biography entries of the member of congress. that they worked for to erase things like divorces and things that they didn't want in their biographies and at that ti... | You know I remember this - one of the big splashes that this; problem made a few years ago was when members of Congress - their staffers were changing the biography entries of the. member of Congress that they worked for to, erase things like divorces and things that they didn't want in their biographies And at that ti... | you know, i remember this - one of the big splashes that this problem made a few years ago was when members of congress - their staffers were changing the biography entries of the member of congress that they worked for, to erase things like divorces and things that they didn't want in their biographies. and at that ti... |
Yeah. We'll still be doing that because that deals with a slightly different set of problems. I mean, normally if somebody comes and they do an edit that's not good, you know, somebody will try to make the best of it and hopefully we will contact the person and say, hey, you know, don't do that. And then blocking happe... | yeah we'll still, be doing that because that deals with a slightly different set of problems i mean normally, if somebody comes and they do an edit that's not good you know somebody will try to make the best of it and hopefully we will contact the person and say hey you know don't, do that. and then blocking happens if... | Yeah We'll still be doing that because that deals with a slightly different, set of problems, I mean normally if somebody comes and they, do an edit that's not good you know somebody will try to make the best, of it and hopefully we will contact the person and say hey you know don't do that And then blocking happens if... | yeah. we'll still be doing that because that deals with a slightly different set of problems. i mean, normally if somebody comes and they do an edit that's not good, you know, somebody will try to make the best of it and hopefully we will contact the person and say, hey, you know, don't do that. and then blocking happe... |
Now, let me ask you. Does it fundamentally change the philosophy of Wikipedia to have someone who is more reliable edit or approve the work of someone else when they're editing an entry? | now let me ask you does it fundamentally change the philosophy of wikipedia to have someone who, is more reliable edit or approve the work of someone else when they're editing an | Now let me ask. you Does it fundamentally change the philosophy of Wikipedia to have someone who is more, reliable edit. or approve the work of someone. else when they're; editing an | now, let me ask you. does it fundamentally change the philosophy of wikipedia to have someone who is more reliable edit or approve the work of someone else when they're editing an entry? |
You know, that's what we've always done. So you know, it's always been a matter of, you know, a core community who is monitoring the site, watching the site, and they have various tools at their disposal to be able to manage the flow of information coming into the site. | you know that's what we've always done so you know it's always been, a matter. of you know, a core community who is. monitoring the site, watching the, site and they have various. tools at their; disposal to be able to manage the flow of information coming into the | You know that's what we've always done So you know; it's always been a matter of you know a core community who. is. monitoring the site watching the site and they have various tools at their disposal to be able to manage the flow of information coming into the | you know, that's what we've always done. so you know, it's always been a matter of, you know, a core community who is monitoring the site, watching the site, and they have various tools at their disposal to be able to manage the flow of information coming into the site. |
I was just going to say, next Wednesday, you guys can have another election to talk about. | i. was just going to say next wednesday, you guys can have another election to talk | I was just. going to say next Wednesday you guys can have another election to talk | i was just going to say, next wednesday, you guys can have another election to talk about. |
The idea here is to give them a new tool that is a little softer and a little more gentle than completely locking a page down because this something that people have said that they really want. You know, we had a poll on the site and it got something like 80 percent support from the users that this would be a useful to... | the idea here is to give them, a new tool, that is a little softer and a little more gentle, than completely locking a page down because this something that people have. said that they really want you know. we had a. poll on the, site, and it got something like. 80 percent support from the users that this, would be a u... | The idea here, is to. give them a new tool that is, a little softer and a little more gentle than completely locking a page. down because, this something that people have said that they really want You know we had a poll on the site and it got something like 80 percent support from the users that, this would be a usefu... | the idea here is to give them a new tool that is a little softer and a little more gentle than completely locking a page down because this something that people have said that they really want. you know, we had a poll on the site and it got something like 80 percent support from the users that this would be a useful to... |
And how does one get to be an experienced editor, in quote, someone who gets to verify articles? | and how. does one get to be an experienced editor in quote. someone who gets to verify | And how does one get to be an experienced editor in quote someone. who gets to verify | and how does one get to be an experienced editor, in quote, someone who gets to verify articles? |
I think that is completely open-ended at this point. I'm not sure if - I know there was a discussion about it. I'm not sure what if anything has been particularly settled yet. Basically, the users will be able to hand out the permissions to people, and there are several different ways of doing that. | i think that is completely open-ended at this. point i'm not sure if - i know there was. a discussion about it i'm not sure what. if; anything has been particularly settled. yet basically the. users will; be able to hand, out the permissions to people and there are several different. ways of doing | I think that is completely open-ended at this, point I'm not sure if - I know there was a discussion about it I'm not. sure what if anything has been particularly, settled yet Basically, the users will be able to hand out the permissions to people and there; are several different ways. of doing | i think that is completely open-ended at this point. i'm not sure if - i know there was a discussion about it. i'm not sure what if anything has been particularly settled yet. basically, the users will be able to hand out the permissions to people, and there are several different ways of doing that. |
But the general idea is that it should be very easy to get to that level. We're not talking about there being 100 or 500. We're talking tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people who have this ability. | but the general idea is that. it. should be very easy to get to that. level we're not talking about there being 100 or 500. we're talking tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people who have this. | But the general idea is that it; should be very easy to, get to that level, We're not. talking about there being 100 or, 500. We're talking tens of, thousands; or hundreds of thousands of people who have this | but the general idea is that it should be very easy to get to that level. we're not talking about there being 100 or 500. we're talking tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people who have this ability. |
We have some questions for you. Let's go to Justin in Tulsa. Hi. Go ahead. | we have some questions for you let's go to justin in, tulsa hi go | We have some questions for you Let's go to Justin in Tulsa Hi Go | we have some questions for you. let's go to justin in tulsa. hi. go ahead. |
Hi, there. My comment is - I'm a student here at the University of Tulsa. And so obviously Wikipedia is brought a lot when it comes to research in classes. And one thing is teachers and professors will often go against Wikipedia and say it's not verified. I have a problem with them trying this new technique because I f... | hi there, my comment is - i'm a student here at the university, of tulsa and so obviously wikipedia, is brought a lot when it comes to research in classes. and, one thing is teachers and professors will often go against wikipedia and say it's not verified i have a problem with them trying this new technique because i. ... | Hi there My comment is - I'm. a student here at the University of Tulsa And so obviously Wikipedia is brought a lot when it comes to research in classes And. one thing is teachers and professors will often go against Wikipedia and say it's not verified I have a problem with them trying, this new technique because, I fe... | hi, there. my comment is - i'm a student here at the university of tulsa. and so obviously wikipedia is brought a lot when it comes to research in classes. and one thing is teachers and professors will often go against wikipedia and say it's not verified. i have a problem with them trying this new technique because i f... |
Hmm. Thanks for your call, Justin. What do you say, Jimmy Wales? | hmm thanks for your call justin what do you say jimmy, | Hmm Thanks for your call Justin What do you say Jimmy | hmm. thanks for your call, justin. what do you say, jimmy wales? |
Well, I think one of the things that we're really trying to do is correct a lot of the media misconceptions about this. It's very frustrating to open up the news and read all these headlines this morning that are completely wrong. But I don't think it makes a lot of sense to argue that, you know, as we take steps to ma... | well i think one of the things, that we're really trying to do is correct a lot of the media misconceptions about this it's very frustrating to open. up the news and read all these headlines. this morning that are completely wrong but i don't think it makes a lot of sense to argue that you know as we take steps to make... | Well I think one of, the things that we're really trying to do is correct a lot of the media misconceptions about this It's very frustrating to open up the news and read all these headlines this morning that are completely. wrong But I don't think it makes a lot of sense to, argue that, you know, as we take steps to ma... | well, i think one of the things that we're really trying to do is correct a lot of the media misconceptions about this. it's very frustrating to open up the news and read all these headlines this morning that are completely wrong. but i don't think it makes a lot of sense to argue that, you know, as we take steps to ma... |
Well, you're saying on the one hand that it's - this isn't that big of a change, that it's not that different. On the other hand, you're saying it's making Wikipedia better and of higher quality. So what exactly is it doing? | well; you're saying on the one hand that it's; - this isn't that big of a change; that it's not that different on the other hand you're saying it's making wikipedia better and of higher quality so what exactly, is it | Well you're saying on the one. hand. that it's - this isn't that big of a change that it's not that different On the other hand you're; saying it's making Wikipedia, better and of higher quality So what exactly is it | well, you're saying on the one hand that it's - this isn't that big of a change, that it's not that different. on the other hand, you're saying it's making wikipedia better and of higher quality. so what exactly is it doing? |
Well, I think what I'm saying is it's not a change to any fundamental philosophical principle of Wikipedia. It's, in fact, it's right consistent with all of the changes in the software that we've made along these lines. We went from - originally we only had full protection, which meant no one can edit, to semi-protecti... | well. i think, what i'm saying is it's not a change to any fundamental philosophical principle of wikipedia it's in, fact it's right consistent with all of the changes in the software that we've made along, these lines we, went from - originally we only had. full; protection which meant no one can edit to semi-protecti... | Well I think what I'm saying is it's not a change to any fundamental philosophical principle of Wikipedia It's in fact it's right consistent with all of the changes in the software that we've made. along. these lines, We went from - originally, we only had full; protection which meant no one can edit to semi-protection... | well, i think what i'm saying is it's not a change to any fundamental philosophical principle of wikipedia. it's, in fact, it's right consistent with all of the changes in the software that we've made along these lines. we went from - originally we only had full protection, which meant no one can edit, to semi-protecti... |
We've always been on this trend towards trying to maximize the openness of Wikipedia as a solution to problems and to really carve out protection to really match the problems exactly. | we've always been on this trend towards trying, to maximize the openness of wikipedia. as a solution to problems and to really carve out protection to really match, the problems | We've always been on this trend. towards trying to maximize the openness of Wikipedia as, a solution to problems and to really carve out protection to. really match the problems | we've always been on this trend towards trying to maximize the openness of wikipedia as a solution to problems and to really carve out protection to really match the problems exactly. |
So even though it's not a fundamental philosophical change, I still think it is an important tool. I think it's going to be very valuable for preventing a lot of the kinds of problems that we're most concerned about, problems, you know, relating to somebody vandalizing an entry and then, you know, the general public se... | so even, though it's not a fundamental philosophical change i still think it is an important tool i. think it's going. to be very valuable for preventing a lot of the kinds of problems that we're most. concerned about problems you know relating to somebody vandalizing an entry and then you. know the general public sees... | So even though it's not a fundamental philosophical change. I still, think it, is an, important tool I think it's going to, be very valuable for preventing a lot of the kinds of problems that we're most concerned about problems you know relating to somebody, vandalizing an entry and then you know the general public see... | so even though it's not a fundamental philosophical change, i still think it is an important tool. i think it's going to be very valuable for preventing a lot of the kinds of problems that we're most concerned about, problems, you know, relating to somebody vandalizing an entry and then, you know, the general public se... |
Next up is Nancy in Menlo Park. Hi. You're on TALK OF THE NATION. | next up is nancy in menlo park hi you're on talk of, the | Next up is, Nancy, in. Menlo Park Hi You're on TALK OF THE | next up is nancy in menlo park. hi. you're on talk of the nation. |
Hi. | hi. | ||
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Well, I'd - I actually became an editor of an item fairly recently. My dad's boss for many years, a man named Oscar Meyer(ph), died last month. And I looked him up on Wikipedia just to see what it said, and it said that at 85, after his first wife died, Mr. Meyer had married a 21-year-old. And I happened to know the wo... | well i'd - i actually became an editor of an item fairly recently my dad's boss for many years a man named oscar meyer(ph), died last month and i looked him up on wikipedia just, to, see what it said and it said that at 85, after his first wife died. mr meyer had married a. 21-year-old and i happened to; know the woman... | Well I'd - I actually became. an editor of an item fairly recently My dad's boss for many years, a man named Oscar Meyer(ph), died last month And. I looked him up on Wikipedia just to see what it said and it said that at 85, after his first wife died Mr Meyer had. married a 21-year-old And I happened to know the woman ... | well, i'd - i actually became an editor of an item fairly recently. my dad's boss for many years, a man named oscar meyer(ph), died last month. and i looked him up on wikipedia just to see what it said, and it said that at 85, after his first wife died, mr. meyer had married a 21-year-old. and i happened to know the wo... |
Yeah. I mean, it's possible that, you know, of course there will be errors that the community doesn't catch until somebody sees it and comes and lets us know - hey, there's an error on this page. So yeah, it won't necessarily make anything different about that sort of thing. | yeah i, mean it's possible that you know of course there will be errors that the community doesn't catch until somebody sees it and comes and lets us know - hey there's an error on this page. so yeah it won't necessarily make anything different about that sort. of | Yeah; I mean it's possible that you; know of course there will be errors that the community doesn't catch, until somebody, sees it and comes and lets us know - hey there's an error on this page So yeah it won't necessarily make anything different about that sort of | yeah. i mean, it's possible that, you know, of course there will be errors that the community doesn't catch until somebody sees it and comes and lets us know - hey, there's an error on this page. so yeah, it won't necessarily make anything different about that sort of thing. |
Yeah. What scares me is that that seemed to me to be a totally malicious thing about a guy who was just truly a lovely man. | yeah what scares me is that that seemed to me to be. a totally malicious thing about a guy. who, was just truly a lovely | Yeah What scares me is that, that seemed to me to, be a totally malicious thing about a guy who was just truly a lovely | yeah. what scares me is that that seemed to me to be a totally malicious thing about a guy who was just truly a lovely man. |
Yeah. I mean, this is the kind of thing that we're very concerned about. We really want to make sure that, you know, these kinds of things (unintelligible) in the event that we - as we begin using it, we're going to see how many biographies we want to protect like this. If we end up protecting all of them, then obvious... | yeah i mean this is the, kind of thing that we're very concerned about we really want to make sure that you know these kinds of things (unintelligible) in the event that we - as we begin, using, it we're going to see how. many biographies we want to protect, like this if we, end up protecting all of them then obviously... | Yeah I mean this is the kind of thing that we're very concerned about We really want to make sure that you, know these kinds of things, (unintelligible) in the event that we; - as we begin using it we're. going to see how; many biographies we. want. to protect like this If we end up protecting all of them then obviousl... | yeah. i mean, this is the kind of thing that we're very concerned about. we really want to make sure that, you know, these kinds of things (unintelligible) in the event that we - as we begin using it, we're going to see how many biographies we want to protect like this. if we end up protecting all of them, then obvious... |
You know, it's interesting because it sounds like what you're worried about is not actually verifying entries. That's something you let these editors worry about. What you're worried about, Jimmy Wales, is keeping the process open? | you. know it's interesting because it sounds like what you're worried about is not actually verifying entries, that's something you let these. editors worry about what, you're worried about jimmy wales is keeping the process | You know it's interesting because it sounds like what you're worried about is not. actually verifying entries That's something you let these; editors worry about What you're worried about Jimmy Wales. is, keeping the process | you know, it's interesting because it sounds like what you're worried about is not actually verifying entries. that's something you let these editors worry about. what you're worried about, jimmy wales, is keeping the process open? |
Yeah. What I'm worried about is making sure that we give the community of people who's doing all that fact checking and doing all that editing the tools that they need to be able to do that in an effective way. So this is a new tool in they're bag of tools. Without those tools, obviously, it's a hopeless task. So yeah,... | yeah what i'm worried about is making sure, that we give the, community of people who's doing all that fact checking and doing all that editing the tools that they need to be able to do, that in. an effective way so this is a new, tool in they're bag of tools without those. tools obviously it's a hopeless task so. yeah... | Yeah What I'm worried. about is making sure that we give the, community of people who's doing all that fact checking and doing all that, editing the tools that they need to be able to do that in an effective; way So this is a new tool in they're bag of tools Without those tools obviously it's a hopeless task So yeah th... | yeah. what i'm worried about is making sure that we give the community of people who's doing all that fact checking and doing all that editing the tools that they need to be able to do that in an effective way. so this is a new tool in they're bag of tools. without those tools, obviously, it's a hopeless task. so yeah,... |
One last call. Let's go to Mike in Oakland. Hi, go ahead. | one last call let's go to mike in oakland; hi go, | One last call Let's go. to Mike in Oakland Hi go | one last call. let's go to mike in oakland. hi, go ahead. |
Hi. I'm concerned about articles written by people that are partisan. For example, the mountain biking article is entirely pro-mountain biking. When I tried to inject a little truth into it, it's always removed by these so-called experts. | hi i'm concerned about articles written by people that are partisan for example; the mountain biking, article is entirely pro-mountain biking when i tried to inject. a little, truth into it it's always. removed by these so-called | Hi I'm concerned about articles written by people. that are partisan For example the mountain biking article is entirely pro-mountain biking, When I tried, to inject a little truth into it it's, always removed by these so-called | hi. i'm concerned about articles written by people that are partisan. for example, the mountain biking article is entirely pro-mountain biking. when i tried to inject a little truth into it, it's always removed by these so-called experts. |
I never knew there was such a political controversy about mountain biking. | i never knew there was such a political controversy about mountain | I never knew there was such a political controversy about mountain, | i never knew there was such a political controversy about mountain biking. |
One of the things I've learned is that everything is controversial, so this doesn't surprise me. So that's an interesting kind of example. I mean, I think one of the things that you, you know, that you really want to do in a situation like that is make citations to reliable sources. So I'm not sure exactly what type of... | one of, the things i've learned is that everything is controversial so this doesn't surprise me so that's an interesting kind, of example i mean i think one of. the things. that, you you know that you really want to. do in a situation like that is make citations to reliable sources so i'm not sure exactly what type of ... | One of the things I've learned is that everything is controversial so. this doesn't surprise me So that's an interesting kind of example I mean I think one of the things that you you know. that you really want to do in a, situation like that is, make citations to reliable. sources So. I'm not sure exactly what type of ... | one of the things i've learned is that everything is controversial, so this doesn't surprise me. so that's an interesting kind of example. i mean, i think one of the things that you, you know, that you really want to do in a situation like that is make citations to reliable sources. so i'm not sure exactly what type of... |
If you simply go in and write that, and it seems like, well, you don't have a source, it's just your own opinion, that's a lot less likely to survive. One thing… | if you simply go in and write. that and it seems like well you don't have a source it's just your own opinion that's a lot less. likely to survive one | If you simply go in and write that and it seems like well you don't have a source it's just your own opinion that's, a lot, less; likely to survive One | if you simply go in and write that, and it seems like, well, you don't have a source, it's just your own opinion, that's a lot less likely to survive. one thing… |
Well, Jimmy Wales… | well jimmy | Well Jimmy | well, jimmy wales… |
I'm sorry. | i'm, | I'm | i'm sorry. |
…thank you very much joining us today. Jimmy Wales joined us from -by Skype from the Wikimania conference in Buenos Aires. He's the founder of the Wikimedia Foundation. | …thank you very much joining us today jimmy wales joined us from. -by skype from the wikimania conference in buenos aires he's the. founder of. the wikimedia | …thank you very much, joining us today Jimmy, Wales joined us from -by Skype from the Wikimania conference in Buenos Aires. He's the founder of, the Wikimedia | …thank you very much joining us today. jimmy wales joined us from -by skype from the wikimania conference in buenos aires. he's the founder of the wikimedia foundation. |
You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | you're listening to talk of the nation from npr | You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR | you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. |
The Broadway musical "Hairspray" is set during the civil rights era. It combines a love story with a blow for racial justice on the set of a teen-age television dance show. | the broadway musical "hairspray" is set during, the civil rights era it combines a love story with a blow for racial justice on the set of a teen-age television dance | The Broadway musical "Hairspray" is set during the civil; rights era It combines a love story with, a blow for racial; justice on the set, of a teen-age television dance | the broadway musical "hairspray" is set during the civil rights era. it combines a love story with a blow for racial justice on the set of a teen-age television dance show. |
(Soundbite of "Hairspray") | (soundbite of | (Soundbite of, | (soundbite of "hairspray") |
Cast of "Hairspray": (Singing) ...(Unintelligible). The world keeps spinning round and round and my heart keeps pounding to the beat of sound. I was lost till I heard the drums and I found my way. You can count the beat. | cast of "hairspray": (singing) ...(unintelligible). the world keeps spinning round and round and my heart keeps pounding to the beat of sound i was lost till i heard the drums and i found my way you can count the | Cast, of "Hairspray": (Singing) ...(Unintelligible). The world keeps spinning round and round and my heart, keeps pounding to the beat of sound I was lost till I heard the drums and I found my way You can count the | cast of "hairspray": (singing) ...(unintelligible). the world keeps spinning round and round and my heart keeps pounding to the beat of sound. i was lost till i heard the drums and i found my way. you can count the beat. |
One standout in the cast of more than 30 performers is singer Darlene Love. She plays the chatty hairdresser Motormouth Mabel. Love has taken to the stage since she was a Los Angeles teen-ager singing in her gospel choir. She went on to record R&B hits including the classic "He's A Rebel" and "Da ... | one standout in. the, cast of more than 30 performers, is singer darlene love she plays the chatty hairdresser motormouth mabel love has taken to the stage since she was. a los angeles teen-ager singing in her gospel choir she went on to record r&b hits including the classic "he's a rebel" and "da... | One standout in the, cast of more, than 30 performers is singer Darlene Love She plays the chatty hairdresser Motormouth Mabel Love has taken to the stage since she was a Los Angeles teen-ager singing in her gospel choir She went on to; record R&B hits including the classic "He's A Rebel" and "Da,... | one standout in the cast of more than 30 performers is singer darlene love. she plays the chatty hairdresser motormouth mabel. love has taken to the stage since she was a los angeles teen-ager singing in her gospel choir. she went on to record r&b hits including the classic "he's a rebel" and "da ... |
Most of my friends want to know, `Why in the world are you doing Broadway? Girl, that's a hard life.' (Laughs) But you have to enjoy it, you have to love it, and I happen to really love it. | most of my friends; want to know; `why; in the world are you doing broadway? girl that's a hard life' (laughs) but you have to enjoy it you have to love it. and i happen to really love, | Most of my friends want to know `Why in the world are you doing Broadway? Girl that's a, hard life' (Laughs) But you have to enjoy it you have to love it and I happen to really love | most of my friends want to know, `why in the world are you doing broadway? girl, that's a hard life.' (laughs) but you have to enjoy it, you have to love it, and i happen to really love it. |
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