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What the switch we have to make in the military is the realization that we're dependent on cyberspace for military operations on air, land and sea and in space, and we cannot effectively conduct out operations in those areas without the cyberspace domain and our military networks. | what the switch we, have to; make in the military is the realization. that we're dependent on cyberspace for military operations on air land and sea and, in space and, we cannot effectively conduct out operations in those areas without the cyberspace domain and our military | What the switch we have to make in, the military, is the realization that we're dependent on cyberspace for military operations on air land and sea and in space and we cannot effectively conduct out operations in those areas without the cyberspace. domain and our military | what the switch we have to make in the military is the realization that we're dependent on cyberspace for military operations on air, land and sea and in space, and we cannot effectively conduct out operations in those areas without the cyberspace domain and our military networks. |
So they're not just a convenience, they're a necessity, and that means when you have a problem there, the commander in charge of forces ought to be, whether he's in charge of air, land or sea forces, ought to be very worried about his networks and paying attention to their health, are they defended properly, etcetera. | so they're not just a convenience they're a necessity and that means when, you have a problem there the commander. in charge of forces ought to, be; whether he's in. charge of; air land or sea forces ought to be very worried about his networks and paying attention to their health are. they defended properly | So they're not, just. a convenience they're a, necessity, and that means, when you have a problem there the commander in, charge of forces ought to be whether he's in charge of; air land or sea forces; ought to be very worried about his networks and, paying attention to their, health are they defended properly | so they're not just a convenience, they're a necessity, and that means when you have a problem there, the commander in charge of forces ought to be, whether he's in charge of air, land or sea forces, ought to be very worried about his networks and paying attention to their health, are they defended properly, etcetera. |
All right. Thanks so much for your call. And let's go to Chuck(ph) who's calling from San Francisco. Hi, Chuck. | all right thanks so much for your. call and, let's go to chuck(ph) who's calling from; san francisco hi | All right Thanks so much for your call And let's go to Chuck(ph) who's calling from San Francisco Hi | all right. thanks so much for your call. and let's go to chuck(ph) who's calling from san francisco. hi, chuck. |
And so would this be a vote out of conviction or a vote in a way to punish the Republican Party? | and so would this be a vote out of conviction or. a vote in a way. to punish the republican | And so would this be a vote out of conviction or a. vote, in a way to punish the Republican. | and so would this be a vote out of conviction or a vote in a way to punish the republican party? |
In the conduct area, we need to do a better job of training people to point out that anybody in the military who's using a computer plugged into a military network is the same as a gate guard standing in front of a base, protecting the gate. And if they don't do their job correctly, they can allow someone to intrude on... | in the conduct area. we need to do a better job of training. people to. point out, that anybody in the military who's using a computer plugged into a military network is the same, as a gate, guard standing in front of a. base protecting the gate and if they don't do their, job correctly they can allow. someone to. intr... | In the conduct area we need to do a better job of training people to point out that anybody in the military who's using a computer. plugged into a military network is the same as a gate guard standing in front of a base protecting, the gate And if, they don't do. their job correctly they can allow someone to intrude on... | in the conduct area, we need to do a better job of training people to point out that anybody in the military who's using a computer plugged into a military network is the same as a gate guard standing in front of a base, protecting the gate. and if they don't do their job correctly, they can allow someone to intrude on... |
So training is part of the conduct change, and then we have to hold people accountable. We haven't done a very good job of that, in my view, for people who don't follow the rules, because we haven't seen it as being that big a deal. It is a big deal, and we know it will be in the future. | so training is part of the conduct change and then we have to hold people accountable we haven't done a. very good job of that in my view for people who don't follow the rules because we haven't, seen; it as being that big a deal it is a big deal and we know it will be in the | So training is part of the conduct change and then we have, to hold people accountable We haven't. done a very good job of that in my view for people who don't follow the rules because we haven't seen it as, being that big a deal, It is a big deal and we. know it will, be in the | so training is part of the conduct change, and then we have to hold people accountable. we haven't done a very good job of that, in my view, for people who don't follow the rules, because we haven't seen it as being that big a deal. it is a big deal, and we know it will be in the future. |
And then in a capability area, that's investment in the technologies to make sure our military men and women have the same kind of technologies available that you can invest in to defend and protect your home computer, to include automatic connections to your Internet service provider that can push antivirus software t... | and then in. a capability area that's investment in the technologies to make sure our military men and women have the same kind of technologies available that. you can invest in to defend and protect your home computer to include automatic, connections to your internet service provider that can; push antivirus software... | And then in a capability area that's investment, in the; technologies to make sure our, military men and women have the same kind of technologies available. that you can invest in to defend and protect your home computer to include automatic connections, to; your Internet service provider that can. push antivirus softw... | and then in a capability area, that's investment in the technologies to make sure our military men and women have the same kind of technologies available that you can invest in to defend and protect your home computer, to include automatic connections to your internet service provider that can push antivirus software t... |
So we need those capability and technology investments, as well. | so we need those capability and technology investments as | So we need those capability and technology investments as | so we need those capability and technology investments, as well. |
Do you know how many times a day there are attempted - attempts to hack into the Pentagon? | do you know how many, times a day, there are attempted - attempts to hack into the, | Do you know how many times a day there are attempted - attempts to, hack into, the | do you know how many times a day there are attempted - attempts to hack into the pentagon? |
Well, into the military networks writ large, there's thousands. And it's hard to say are they attempts to hack, or are they just a curiosity, someone going to that site just to see what they can find, or is it malicious attacks? It's hard to parse those until they succeed, but there's thousands attempts a day for unaut... | well into the military networks writ large there's thousands, and it's hard to say are they attempts to hack, or are they just a curiosity. someone. going to that site just to see what they, can find, or is it malicious attacks? it's hard to. parse, those until they succeed but there's thousands attempts a day for unau... | Well into the military networks writ large there's thousands And; it's hard to say. are they attempts to hack; or are they just a curiosity someone, going to that site just to; see what they can find or is, it malicious attacks? It's hard to parse those until they succeed, but there's thousands attempts a day for unaut... | well, into the military networks writ large, there's thousands. and it's hard to say are they attempts to hack, or are they just a curiosity, someone going to that site just to see what they can find, or is it malicious attacks? it's hard to parse those until they succeed, but there's thousands attempts a day for unaut... |
How many times are they successful in a day? | how many times are they successful in a | How many times are they successful in a. | how many times are they successful in a day? |
Well, our job is to make them unsuccessful, and often times it's difficult to prove the negative, but we have had cases where we know we have been intruded on, and that's getting back to Tom's point. We have lost information, and that's important information - not classified, but important to operations. | well our job is to make them unsuccessful and often times it's difficult. to prove the negative but. we have had cases where we know we have been intruded on and that's getting back to tom's point, we. have lost, information and that's, important information - not classified, but important to | Well our job is to make them unsuccessful and often times it's difficult to prove the negative but; we. have had cases where we know, we, have been intruded on. and that's getting back to Tom's, point We have lost information and that's. important information. - not classified but important to | well, our job is to make them unsuccessful, and often times it's difficult to prove the negative, but we have had cases where we know we have been intruded on, and that's getting back to tom's point. we have lost information, and that's important information - not classified, but important to operations. |
We're talking with General Kevin Chilton. He's the commander of the U.S. Strategic Command, and we'll be taking your calls and emails when we return. | we're talking with general kevin chilton he's the commander of the u.s strategic command and we'll be taking your calls. and emails when we | We're talking with General Kevin Chilton. He's, the. commander of the U.S Strategic Command and we'll be taking your calls and emails when we | we're talking with general kevin chilton. he's the commander of the u.s. strategic command, and we'll be taking your calls and emails when we return. |
Joining me today is Tom Bowman, NPR Pentagon correspondent. Give us call at 800-989-8255. I'm Lynn Neary, it's TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | joining me today is tom bowman npr pentagon correspondent give us call at 800-989-8255. i'm lynn neary it's talk of, the nation from npr | Joining me; today is Tom Bowman NPR Pentagon correspondent Give us call at 800-989-8255. I'm Lynn Neary, it's TALK OF THE NATION from NPR | joining me today is tom bowman, npr pentagon correspondent. give us call at 800-989-8255. i'm lynn neary, it's talk of the nation from npr news. |
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This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Lynn Neary in Washington. We're talking with General Kevin Chilton, head of U.S. Strategic Command. He oversees our nuclear, space and cyberspace defense systems, among other missions. | this is talk of. the nation, i'm lynn neary in washington we're talking with general kevin, chilton. head of u.s strategic command he oversees our nuclear space and cyberspace defense systems among other | This is TALK OF THE NATION I'm. Lynn Neary in Washington We're talking with General Kevin Chilton head of U.S; Strategic Command He oversees our nuclear space and cyberspace defense systems among other | this is talk of the nation. i'm lynn neary in washington. we're talking with general kevin chilton, head of u.s. strategic command. he oversees our nuclear, space and cyberspace defense systems, among other missions. |
If you want to talk with him, give us a call. What are your concerns about national security and nuclear weapons or about how we defend ourselves in space and about how this affects you? 800-989-8255, or send us an email. The address is talk@npr.org. | if you want to talk with, him give us a call what are your concerns about national security and nuclear weapons or about how we defend ourselves in space and about how this affects you? 800-989-8255, or send us an email the address is | If you want to talk with him give us a call What are your concerns about national security and nuclear weapons or about, how we defend ourselves in space and about how this affects you? 800-989-8255, or send us an email The address is | if you want to talk with him, give us a call. what are your concerns about national security and nuclear weapons or about how we defend ourselves in space and about how this affects you? 800-989-8255, or send us an email. the address is talk@npr.org. |
And also joining me today, NPR Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman, and we're going to turn to the phones now. Let's take a call from a guest in Folsom, California. Hi, go ahead. | and, also joining me today npr, pentagon correspondent tom bowman and we're going to turn to the phones now let's take a call from a. guest in folsom california hi go | And also joining me today NPR Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman and we're going to turn to the phones now Let's take a call from a guest; in Folsom California Hi go | and also joining me today, npr pentagon correspondent tom bowman, and we're going to turn to the phones now. let's take a call from a guest in folsom, california. hi, go ahead. |
Hi, actually, as I'm listening, I have another question now. The first question I was interested in is that okay, so if cyberspace goes down, me as a citizen, can I bypass it so I could carry on my day-to-day life? What are some of your advice? | hi actually as i'm listening i have another question now the first question i was interested in is, that okay so if cyberspace goes down me as a citizen can; i bypass it so i could carry on my day-to-day life? what are some of your | Hi actually as I'm listening I have another question now The first question I was interested in is, that okay so if cyberspace goes down me as a citizen can I bypass it so I could, carry on my day-to-day life? What are some of your | hi, actually, as i'm listening, i have another question now. the first question i was interested in is that okay, so if cyberspace goes down, me as a citizen, can i bypass it so i could carry on my day-to-day life? what are some of your advice? |
And then the other question that I thought of, is that, can you guys create a mil-space, where it is only for military use? | and then the other question, that i thought of is that can you, guys create a, mil-space where it is only for military | And then the other, question that I thought of is that can you guys create a mil-space where it is only for military | and then the other question that i thought of, is that, can you guys create a mil-space, where it is only for military use? |
General? | general? | ||
Yes. Well, when we talk - and cyberspace was a broad term to basically define the domain that includes the wires and the computers and the servers and the routers, etcetera. To the caller's first question, he's probably, as I am at home, using the Internet and using the www.com or .edu or .net to business, maybe with y... | yes well when we talk - and cyberspace was a broad term to basically define the domain that includes the wires and the computers and the; servers and the routers etcetera to the caller's. first question he's, probably, as i am at home using the internet. and using the www.com or .edu or .net, to business maybe with you... | Yes Well when we talk - and cyberspace was a. broad term to. basically define the domain that includes the wires and the computers and the servers and the routers, etcetera To the caller's first question he's probably as I am. at home using the Internet and using the www.com or .edu or .net, to business maybe. with you... | yes. well, when we talk - and cyberspace was a broad term to basically define the domain that includes the wires and the computers and the servers and the routers, etcetera. to the caller's first question, he's probably, as i am at home, using the internet and using the www.com or .edu or .net to business, maybe with y... |
And so here's where, in the Department of Homeland Security, where they need to think about and worry about defending critical infrastructure in the United States of America, our financial systems, our power grids, our transportations, telecommunications systems that are essential to all of our citizens day in and day ... | and so. here's where in the department of homeland. security, where they need to think about and worry about defending critical infrastructure in the united states of america our financial systems our power, grids, our transportations telecommunications systems that are essential to all of our citizens day, in and day | And so here's where in the Department of, Homeland Security where they need to think. about and worry about. defending critical infrastructure in the, United States of America our financial systems our power grids our transportations; telecommunications systems that are essential to all of our citizens day in and day | and so here's where, in the department of homeland security, where they need to think about and worry about defending critical infrastructure in the united states of america, our financial systems, our power grids, our transportations, telecommunications systems that are essential to all of our citizens day in and day ... |
To the military point, we do have these portions of the cyberspace that we operate in, and the dot-mil, that are both unclassified, that is plugged into the Internet, and we have also classified networks that are more isolated from the Internet. And so we do do our military operations there. And the logic to having a m... | to the military point we do have these portions of the. cyberspace that we operate in and the dot-mil that are both unclassified that is plugged into the internet and we have also; classified networks that are more isolated from the. internet and so we do do our military operations there and the, logic to having a mili... | To the military point; we do have these portions of the cyberspace that we operate in and the dot-mil that are. both unclassified that is plugged into the Internet and we, have. also classified networks that are more, isolated from the Internet; And, so we do do. our, military operations there And the logic to having a... | to the military point, we do have these portions of the cyberspace that we operate in, and the dot-mil, that are both unclassified, that is plugged into the internet, and we have also classified networks that are more isolated from the internet. and so we do do our military operations there. and the logic to having a m... |
Okay, thanks so much for your call. We're going to go to Mark(ph). Mark is calling from Cambridge, Massachusetts. Hi, Mark, go ahead. | okay thanks so much for your call we're. going. to go, to mark(ph). mark is calling from cambridge massachusetts hi mark go. | Okay thanks so much for your call We're, going to, go to Mark(ph). Mark is calling from Cambridge Massachusetts, Hi Mark, go | okay, thanks so much for your call. we're going to go to mark(ph). mark is calling from cambridge, massachusetts. hi, mark, go ahead. |
Hi. General Chilton touched on this a bit, but it seems that the federal government's cyber-security efforts are very fragmented, in that you've got General Chilton at Strategic Command, you've got Homeland Security, Department of Energy, and even within the Department of Energy, when you start looking at electricity-g... | hi general chilton touched on this. a bit but it seems. that the federal government's cyber-security efforts are very fragmented in that you've got general chilton at strategic command you've got homeland security department of energy, and even within the, department of. energy when you start looking at electricity-gri... | Hi General Chilton touched on this a bit but it seems that the federal government's cyber-security, efforts are, very fragmented, in that you've got General Chilton at Strategic, Command you've got. Homeland Security Department of Energy and even within the Department of Energy when you start looking at electricity-gri... | hi. general chilton touched on this a bit, but it seems that the federal government's cyber-security efforts are very fragmented, in that you've got general chilton at strategic command, you've got homeland security, department of energy, and even within the department of energy, when you start looking at electricity-g... |
Now, something like the energy grid is clearly a military, as well as a civilian, interest. And I'm wondering first of all, until there's a security czar appointed, and I guess the administration has talked about appointing someone like that, how do you integrate all these efforts, and once a security czar, cyber-secur... | now something like the energy grid is, clearly. a military as well as a civilian interest and i'm wondering first of all until there's a security czar appointed and i guess the administration has talked about appointing someone, like that how do you integrate all these efforts and, once a security czar cyber-security c... | Now something like the energy grid is clearly a military as well as a civilian interest And I'm wondering first of all until there's a security czar appointed and. I guess the administration has talked about appointing someone like that how do you integrate all these efforts and once a security czar cyber-security; cza... | now, something like the energy grid is clearly a military, as well as a civilian, interest. and i'm wondering first of all, until there's a security czar appointed, and i guess the administration has talked about appointing someone like that, how do you integrate all these efforts, and once a security czar, cyber-secur... |
Hi, thanks a lot, Ms. Neary, and good afternoon, General. I'd very much like to see an effective verifiable regime to prevent a space arms race and the revitalization of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Are either both of those on the agenda for the current administration? | hi thanks a lot ms neary. and. good. afternoon general i'd very much like to see an effective verifiable regime to prevent a, space arms, race and the revitalization of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty are either both of those on the agenda for the. current | Hi thanks a lot Ms Neary and good afternoon General I'd very much like to see an effective verifiable regime to prevent a space arms race and the revitalization of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty Are, either both, of those on the. agenda for the current | hi, thanks a lot, ms. neary, and good afternoon, general. i'd very much like to see an effective verifiable regime to prevent a space arms race and the revitalization of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. are either both of those on the agenda for the current administration? |
Mark asked a very good question. The first effort to try to do, I think, from a national perspective and get our arms around this and put some serious funding and organizational construct to this was the National Cyber Security Initiative, which was pushed forward in the last year of President Bush's administration and... | mark asked a very. good question the; first effort to try to. do i think; from, a national perspective and get our arms around this and put some serious funding and organizational construct to this was the national cyber security initiative which was pushed forward in the last year. of president bush's administration a... | Mark asked a very good question The first effort to try to; do I think, from a national perspective and get our arms around this and put some. serious funding and organizational. construct; to this was the National Cyber Security Initiative, which was pushed forward in the, last year of President Bush's administration ... | mark asked a very good question. the first effort to try to do, i think, from a national perspective and get our arms around this and put some serious funding and organizational construct to this was the national cyber security initiative, which was pushed forward in the last year of president bush's administration and... |
President Obama just had a - one of his first acts was to have a group get together and take a look at how to go forward, and one of the things they are considering is whether or not to have a cyber czar, and you describe. | president. obama just had a - one of his first acts was to have a group get together and take a look at, how to go forward and one of. the things, they are considering is whether or not to have a cyber czar and you | President Obama just had a - one of his first acts, was to have a group get, together and take a look at how to go forward and one of, the things they are, considering is whether or not to have a cyber czar and you | president obama just had a - one of his first acts was to have a group get together and take a look at how to go forward, and one of the things they are considering is whether or not to have a cyber czar, and you describe. |
And so it will be interesting to see how that works out in the future. Again, Department of Homeland Security has had the rose pinned on them for the broader issues with regard to the nation and to Department of Defense for the military networks. | and. so it will, be interesting to see how, that works out in the future again department of homeland security has had the rose pinned on them for the broader issues with regard to the nation and to department of, defense for the military, | And so it will be interesting to see how that. works out in the future Again; Department, of Homeland, Security has had the rose pinned on, them, for the broader issues with regard to the nation and to Department of Defense for the military | and so it will be interesting to see how that works out in the future. again, department of homeland security has had the rose pinned on them for the broader issues with regard to the nation and to department of defense for the military networks. |
And who's in charge of the electricity grid? Because I know the Department of Energy seems to be within their purview, but that would also seem to be a Homeland Security issue. | and who's in charge of the, electricity. grid? because, i, know the department of energy seems to be within their purview, but that would also, seem to, be a homeland security | And, who's in charge of the electricity grid? Because I know the Department of Energy seems to, be within their purview but that would also seem to be a Homeland Security, | and who's in charge of the electricity grid? because i know the department of energy seems to be within their purview, but that would also seem to be a homeland security issue. |
It is, but here - you know, here's an interesting point. Who's in charge of the energy grid? A lot of the energy in our country is provided by private companies, and so here's where, you know, you start getting into some issues of maybe why you don't want the Department of Defense doing that type of work directly. But ... | it is but here - you, know here's an interesting point who's in charge of the energy grid? a lot of the energy in our country is, provided by private companies and. so here's where, you know you. start getting into some. issues of maybe why you, don't want the department of defense. doing that type of work directly but... | It is, but here - you know here's an interesting, point, Who's in. charge of the energy; grid? A lot of the energy in our country. is provided, by private. companies and so, here's where you know you, start getting into some issues, of maybe why you; don't want the Department of Defense doing that type of work, directl... | it is, but here - you know, here's an interesting point. who's in charge of the energy grid? a lot of the energy in our country is provided by private companies, and so here's where, you know, you start getting into some issues of maybe why you don't want the department of defense doing that type of work directly. but ... |
Presumably, that's what a cyber-security czar would do, I guess. | presumably that's what a cyber-security czar would do i | Presumably that's, what a cyber-security czar would do I | presumably, that's what a cyber-security czar would do, i guess. |
I'm not sure exactly what their responsibilities would be, particularly, but I know in the military, what we want to be able to do is share information about - particularly about threats that are coming against any part of the society, because we can anticipate them being brought to bear against us, as well, in the mil... | i'm not, sure exactly what their responsibilities would be particularly but i know in the, military what we, want to be able to, do is share information about - particularly, about threats that are coming against any part of the society because we can anticipate them being brought to bear against us as well in the; | I'm not sure exactly what their, responsibilities would be particularly but I know in the military what we want to be able to do is share information about - particularly about threats that. are coming against any part of the. society because we can anticipate them being, brought. to bear against us as well in the | i'm not sure exactly what their responsibilities would be, particularly, but i know in the military, what we want to be able to do is share information about - particularly about threats that are coming against any part of the society, because we can anticipate them being brought to bear against us, as well, in the mil... |
All right, thanks so much for your call, Mark. | all right thanks so much for. your call | All right thanks so much for your call | all right, thanks so much for your call, mark. |
Thank you. | thank, | Thank | thank you. |
Let me read you an email, General, from Brian(ph), also calling from Massachusetts, in Hopkinton. General, could you talk about your international counterparts? Which countries have appointed counterparts to your role in their governments, and which countries are you hopeful will do so in the near future? And do you ha... | let me read you an email general from brian(ph), also calling from massachusetts in hopkinton general could you talk about, your international counterparts? which countries have appointed counterparts to your role in their governments and which countries are you hopeful. will do so in the near future? and do you have e... | Let me read you an email General from Brian(ph), also calling from Massachusetts in Hopkinton General could. you talk about your international counterparts? Which countries have appointed counterparts to your role, in their governments and, which countries are you hopeful will do so in the near future? And do, you have... | let me read you an email, general, from brian(ph), also calling from massachusetts, in hopkinton. general, could you talk about your international counterparts? which countries have appointed counterparts to your role in their governments, and which countries are you hopeful will do so in the near future? and do you ha... |
There are - cyberspace and threats in cyberspace are being taken seriously by all governments around the world. I mean, Estonia, obviously, was attacked, and I've had the opportunity to meet with their minister of defense, as he came over and educated us on exactly what happened and how they dealt with that attack. But... | there are - cyberspace and threats in cyberspace are being; taken seriously by all governments around the. world i mean estonia obviously was attacked and i've had the opportunity to meet with their minister, of defense as he came over and educated, us on exactly what happened and, how they dealt with that attack but m... | There are - cyberspace and threats in cyberspace are being taken seriously by all governments around. the world I mean Estonia obviously was attacked and I've had; the opportunity to meet with their minister of defense as he came over and educated us on exactly what happened and how they dealt with that attack But many... | there are - cyberspace and threats in cyberspace are being taken seriously by all governments around the world. i mean, estonia, obviously, was attacked, and i've had the opportunity to meet with their minister of defense, as he came over and educated us on exactly what happened and how they dealt with that attack. but... |
All right, let's take another call. We're going to go to Vernon(ph), calling from Oakland, California. Thanks. Hi, Vernon. | all right let's take another call we're going to go to vernon(ph), calling from oakland california thanks, hi | All right let's take another call We're going to go to Vernon(ph), calling from Oakland California, Thanks Hi | all right, let's take another call. we're going to go to vernon(ph), calling from oakland, california. thanks. hi, vernon. |
Hi, thank you for taking the call. My question is, could somebody, and our people at this time, try to come up with a super-virus that they might be able to introduce, either from a foreign nation or via some operative - foreign operative in the United States, that may be tapping directly into cable. Are there such eff... | hi thank. you for taking the call my question is could somebody and our people at this time try. to come. up with a super-virus that they might be able to introduce, either from. a foreign nation or. via some operative - foreign operative in. the united states that may be tapping directly into cable are there such effo... | Hi thank you, for taking the call My question is could somebody and. our people at this time try to come up with. a super-virus that they might be able, to introduce either from a foreign nation or; via some operative - foreign operative in the United States that may be tapping directly, into cable Are there such effor... | hi, thank you for taking the call. my question is, could somebody, and our people at this time, try to come up with a super-virus that they might be able to introduce, either from a foreign nation or via some operative - foreign operative in the united states, that may be tapping directly into cable. are there such eff... |
Well, I don't know about any super-viruses, Vernon. I would say - in the greater context, remember if a nation-state were to take down, attempt to take down the broader international financial systems or international commerce systems that ride on the Internet, odds are they're injuring themselves as dramatically as th... | well i don't know about any super-viruses vernon i would say - in, the greater context remember if a, nation-state were to take down attempt to take down. the broader international financial systems or international commerce systems that ride on the internet odds are they're injuring themselves as dramatically as they ... | Well I don't know about any, super-viruses Vernon I would say - in the greater context, remember if a nation-state were. to take down attempt to take, down the broader international financial systems or international, commerce systems that ride, on the Internet odds are they're injuring themselves as dramatically as th... | well, i don't know about any super-viruses, vernon. i would say - in the greater context, remember if a nation-state were to take down, attempt to take down the broader international financial systems or international commerce systems that ride on the internet, odds are they're injuring themselves as dramatically as th... |
It's possible, and certainly terrorist organizations wouldn't be so concerned about that. And so that's another area of concern you have to think about is those not aligned with a nation-state, you have a lot to lose by the Internet going down, but maybe you have a lot to gain by creating chaos in other countries, is a... | it's possible and certainly terrorist organizations wouldn't be so; concerned. about that and so that's another area of concern, you have to think about is those not aligned with a nation-state you have a lot to lose by the internet. going; down but maybe you have a lot, to gain by creating chaos in other countries is ... | It's. possible, and certainly, terrorist organizations wouldn't be so concerned about that And. so that's another area of concern you have to think. about is those not aligned with, a nation-state you have a lot to lose by the Internet going down but maybe you have a lot to gain by creating chaos in other countries is ... | it's possible, and certainly terrorist organizations wouldn't be so concerned about that. and so that's another area of concern you have to think about is those not aligned with a nation-state, you have a lot to lose by the internet going down, but maybe you have a lot to gain by creating chaos in other countries, is a... |
Yeah. You know, if that kind of chaos were created by our enemies taking down an important part of our social life, really, or our lives, our economic life, for example, which you were talking - we were talking about a little bit earlier, and we touched on this a little bit earlier, but maybe you can expand on this. Wh... | yeah you know if that kind of chaos were created. by our, enemies taking down an important, part of our social life really or our; lives our economic life for; example which you were talking - we were talking about a little bit. earlier and we touched on this a little bit earlier but maybe you, can expand on this what ... | Yeah You know if that kind of chaos. were created by. our enemies taking down an important part of our social life really or our lives our economic life for example, which you were talking - we were. talking about a little bit, earlier and, we touched on this a little bit. earlier but, maybe you can expand on this What... | yeah. you know, if that kind of chaos were created by our enemies taking down an important part of our social life, really, or our lives, our economic life, for example, which you were talking - we were talking about a little bit earlier, and we touched on this a little bit earlier, but maybe you can expand on this. wh... |
I think that you have said that - I mean, could a nuclear response be part of that? How aggressive would we be in response to something that we knew was intended to create chaos and to disrupt our lives? | i think that you have said that - i mean could a. nuclear. response be. part of that? how, aggressive would we be in. response. to. something that we knew, was intended to create. chaos and to disrupt our | I think. that you have said that - I mean could a nuclear response be part of that? How aggressive would we be in response to something that we knew, was intended to create chaos and to disrupt our | i think that you have said that - i mean, could a nuclear response be part of that? how aggressive would we be in response to something that we knew was intended to create chaos and to disrupt our lives? |
Yeah, Lynn, I think I might have been misquoted on that previous interview there. What I said in that conversation was, don't - how we respond will be decided by the president of the United States of any attack on the United States of America, and I wouldn't preclude any options for the president ever. I wouldn't take ... | yeah lynn i think i might have been misquoted on that previous interview there what i said in that conversation was don't. - how, we respond will be decided by the president of the united states of any attack on the united states of america and i wouldn't preclude any options. for the president, ever i wouldn't take an... | Yeah Lynn, I think I might have been misquoted on that previous interview there What I said in that. conversation was. don't - how we respond; will be decided by the president of the United States of any attack on the United States of America. and I wouldn't preclude any options for the president ever I wouldn't take a... | yeah, lynn, i think i might have been misquoted on that previous interview there. what i said in that conversation was, don't - how we respond will be decided by the president of the united states of any attack on the united states of america, and i wouldn't preclude any options for the president ever. i wouldn't take ... |
If I could change the focus of your question a little bit, I think the real trick and the real challenge for us is to make sure we take the appropriate steps today in changing culture, conduct and fielding the right capabilities to make sure that that eventual - that theoretical attack can't be successful against us. | if i, could change the focus of. your question a little bit, i think the real trick and the real challenge for us is to make sure we take, the appropriate steps today in, changing culture conduct and fielding the right capabilities to make sure that that eventual - that theoretical attack can't be successful against | If I could change the focus of your question a little bit I think the real trick and the real challenge for us is to make sure we take the appropriate steps today in; changing, culture conduct, and fielding the right capabilities to make sure, that that eventual - that theoretical attack can't be successful against | if i could change the focus of your question a little bit, i think the real trick and the real challenge for us is to make sure we take the appropriate steps today in changing culture, conduct and fielding the right capabilities to make sure that that eventual - that theoretical attack can't be successful against us. |
Now, I know, and being a military person, there's no such thing as the Maginot Line or perfect defense. So we have to be able to anticipate how we're going to continue to operate under attack. That's some of the things we learned from Estonia and listening to them, I mean, they were not completely shut down. | now. i know, and being a military person there's no such thing as the maginot line; or perfect defense so, we have to be able to anticipate how. we're going, to continue to operate under attack that's some, of the things we learned from estonia and listening to them i mean they were not, completely shut | Now I, know and being. a military person there's no such thing as the Maginot Line or perfect defense So we have to be able to anticipate how we're going, to continue to operate under. attack That's, some of the things we learned from Estonia and listening to, them I mean they were not completely shut | now, i know, and being a military person, there's no such thing as the maginot line or perfect defense. so we have to be able to anticipate how we're going to continue to operate under attack. that's some of the things we learned from estonia and listening to them, i mean, they were not completely shut down. |
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But what about offensive capabilities? There was a story not too long ago, I think in the Washington Post, about early in the Iraq War, or maybe prior to the Iraq War, there was talk about cyber-attacks on Iraq itself. And that was considered for a little bit, but then it was decided that may be too widespread. It may ... | but what about offensive capabilities? there was a story not too long ago i think in the washington post about, early in the iraq war or maybe prior. to the, iraq war there was talk about cyber-attacks on iraq itself and that was considered for a little bit but then it was, decided that may be too. widespread it may. t... | But what. about offensive capabilities? There was a story. not too long ago I think in the Washington Post about early in the Iraq War or maybe. prior to the Iraq War. there was talk about cyber-attacks. on Iraq itself And that was considered for a little bit but then it was decided that may be too widespread It may ta... | but what about offensive capabilities? there was a story not too long ago, i think in the washington post, about early in the iraq war, or maybe prior to the iraq war, there was talk about cyber-attacks on iraq itself. and that was considered for a little bit, but then it was decided that may be too widespread. it may ... |
Is this something that should be considered? Do you - should build up an offensive capability? | is. this something that should be considered? do you - should; build up an offensive | Is this something that should be considered? Do, you - should build up an offensive | is this something that should be considered? do you - should build up an offensive capability? |
Tom, I think what we've learned in the history of warfare is that oftentimes the best defense includes a good offense - it's whether that's air, land, sea operations. And I think the same applies here in cyber space. | tom i think what we've learned in the history of warfare is that oftentimes the best defense includes a good. offense - it's whether that's air land sea operations and i think the same, applies here in cyber | Tom I. think what we've learned in the history, of warfare is that oftentimes the best defense includes. a good offense - it's. whether that's air land sea operations And I think the same applies. here in cyber | tom, i think what we've learned in the history of warfare is that oftentimes the best defense includes a good offense - it's whether that's air, land, sea operations. and i think the same applies here in cyber space. |
So I think we do want to develop those capabilities. You don't want to just have a (unintelligible) defensive line that just fends off attacks. In time of conflict, you want to be able to go forward and make them stop, as opposed to just protect yourself from the attacks. So, it's good - I think it's good sense to deve... | so i think we do want to develop those capabilities you, don't, want to just have a (unintelligible) defensive line, that just fends off attacks in time of conflict you want to be. able to go forward and make them stop as opposed to just protect yourself from the. attacks so it's good. - i think it's good sense to deve... | So. I, think; we do want. to develop those. capabilities You don't want to just have a (unintelligible) defensive line that just fends off attacks In time of, conflict. you want to be able to go forward and make them stop as opposed to just protect yourself from the attacks, So it's good - I think. it's good sense to d... | so i think we do want to develop those capabilities. you don't want to just have a (unintelligible) defensive line that just fends off attacks. in time of conflict, you want to be able to go forward and make them stop, as opposed to just protect yourself from the attacks. so, it's good - i think it's good sense to deve... |
One thing you have to be cautious of, though, is that if you're going to use a particular offensive capabilities, that your defenses are prepared to sustain further attacks, or more sophisticated attacks. Now, clearly, we have to have that in place any way, day in and day out. But it's another calculus that you have we... | one thing, you have to be cautious of though is; that if you're going to use a particular, offensive capabilities that your defenses, are prepared. to sustain further, attacks or more sophisticated attacks now clearly. we have to have that. in place any way day in and day out but it's another calculus that you have wei... | One thing you. have to be. cautious of though is that, if you're going to use a, particular offensive capabilities that your defenses are, prepared to sustain further attacks or more sophisticated attacks Now clearly we have, to have that in place any way day in and day out But; it's, another calculus that, you have we... | one thing you have to be cautious of, though, is that if you're going to use a particular offensive capabilities, that your defenses are prepared to sustain further attacks, or more sophisticated attacks. now, clearly, we have to have that in place any way, day in and day out. but it's another calculus that you have we... |
But what's the status of U.S. offensive capabilities in the cyber realm? Are they pretty robust now? Does there have to be a lot of work done on this area? | but what's the status. of u.s offensive capabilities, in the cyber realm? are they pretty robust now? does there have to be a lot of, work done on, this. | But what's the status of U.S offensive capabilities in the cyber realm? Are, they pretty robust now? Does there have to be, a lot of work, done on this | but what's the status of u.s. offensive capabilities in the cyber realm? are they pretty robust now? does there have to be a lot of work done on this area? |
Yeah. Tom, it's an area I probably can't - shouldn't talk too much about, but it's an area that we're focused on. And - because we recognize that a good defense also incorporates elements of an offensive capability. | yeah tom it's an; area i probably can't - shouldn't talk too much about but it's an. area that, we're focused on and - because we recognize that a good defense also incorporates elements of an offensive, | Yeah, Tom, it's an area I probably can't - shouldn't talk too much about but it's an area that we're focused on And. - because we recognize that a good defense also. incorporates elements of an offensive | yeah. tom, it's an area i probably can't - shouldn't talk too much about, but it's an area that we're focused on. and - because we recognize that a good defense also incorporates elements of an offensive capability. |
You need a lot more money in this area? | you need a lot more money in. this | You need a lot more, money in this | you need a lot more money in this area? |
You know, money - there has been budget requests that went in with the National Cyber Security Initiative - which, if sustained, will be very helpful - but I would tell you, I think our biggest shortfall in this area is in people dedicated to work in these particular missions. Now, I'm speaking for the STRATCOM perspec... | you know money - there has been budget requests that went in with the national cyber security initiative - which; if sustained will be very helpful. - but i would tell you i think our biggest shortfall in this area is in people dedicated to work, in these particular missions now; i'm speaking for the stratcom perspecti... | You know money - there has been budget requests that went; in with the National Cyber Security Initiative - which if sustained will be very helpful - but I would tell you I think our biggest shortfall in this area is in people dedicated to work in these particular missions Now I'm speaking for the STRATCOM perspective ... | you know, money - there has been budget requests that went in with the national cyber security initiative - which, if sustained, will be very helpful - but i would tell you, i think our biggest shortfall in this area is in people dedicated to work in these particular missions. now, i'm speaking for the stratcom perspec... |
And the services are stepping up to that. And there's going to be a training element and an organizational element that they'll have to put in place; and we're starting to see that. But not - if I could ask for something today, it wouldn't be the next piece of technology, although that doesn't hurt, it'd be people. | and the services are stepping up, to that and, there's going to be a training element and an. organizational element that they'll. have to put. in place and we're starting. to see that but not - if i could ask for something today it wouldn't be. the next piece of technology although that doesn't hurt it'd be. | And the services are stepping. up to that And there's going to be a training, element and an organizational, element that. they'll have to put in place and we're starting to see that But not - if I could ask for something today it wouldn't be the next piece of technology although, that doesn't hurt it'd. be | and the services are stepping up to that. and there's going to be a training element and an organizational element that they'll have to put in place; and we're starting to see that. but not - if i could ask for something today, it wouldn't be the next piece of technology, although that doesn't hurt, it'd be people. |
All right. We are talking with General Kevin Chilton. He's the commander of the U.S. Strategic Command. And if you'd like to give us a call, the number is 800-989-8255. You can also call us - you can also get in touch with us by email at TALK OF THE NATION at npr.org. | all right. we are, talking with general kevin chilton he's. the commander of the u.s strategic command and if you'd, like to give us a call the number is 800-989-8255. you, can also call us - you can also, get, in touch with us by email, at talk of the nation at | All right We are talking. with General, Kevin Chilton He's the commander of the, U.S Strategic Command And if you'd like to, give us a call the number is 800-989-8255. You can also call us - you can also get in touch with us by email at TALK OF THE NATION at | all right. we are talking with general kevin chilton. he's the commander of the u.s. strategic command. and if you'd like to give us a call, the number is 800-989-8255. you can also call us - you can also get in touch with us by email at talk of the nation at npr.org. |
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And we're going to take a call now. We're going to Dom(ph) calling from St. Louis. Hi, Dom. | and we're going to take a call now we're, going. to dom(ph) calling from st louis hi | And we're going to take a call now We're going to Dom(ph) calling from St Louis, Hi | and we're going to take a call now. we're going to dom(ph) calling from st. louis. hi, dom. |
Hello, good afternoon. Thank you for taking my call. And General Chilton, I'd just like to say thank you very much for your honorable service to our country. And I know we're talking about hacking into the network right now. But I was wondering if you might address a little bit about the consequences of electromagnetic... | hello good afternoon thank you for taking my call and general. chilton i'd just like to say thank you very much for your honorable service to our country and i know we're talking about hacking into, the network right. now, but i was, wondering if you might address a little; bit about the consequences of electromagnetic... | Hello good afternoon Thank you for taking my call And General Chilton, I'd just like to say thank you very much for your honorable service to our country And I know we're talking about hacking into the network right; now But I was wondering, if, you might address a little bit about the consequences of electromagnetic p... | hello, good afternoon. thank you for taking my call. and general chilton, i'd just like to say thank you very much for your honorable service to our country. and i know we're talking about hacking into the network right now. but i was wondering if you might address a little bit about the consequences of electromagnetic... |
Sure, Dom. And when a nuclear detonation occurs, you're absolutely correct, there's a large electromagnetic pulse that goes out. It's not very long lived, but what we found is that it has a greater effect on some of our high tech microcircuit technology that we've deployed in various things, whether it'd be computers o... | sure dom and when a nuclear detonation, occurs you're absolutely correct there's a large electromagnetic pulse that goes out it's not very long lived but what, we found is that it has a greater effect on some of our, high tech microcircuit technology that we've deployed in various things, whether it'd be computers or e... | Sure Dom And when a nuclear detonation occurs you're absolutely correct there's a large electromagnetic; pulse that goes out It's not very long lived but what we found is that it has a greater effect on some of our, high tech microcircuit technology that we've deployed in various things whether it'd be computers or ele... | sure, dom. and when a nuclear detonation occurs, you're absolutely correct, there's a large electromagnetic pulse that goes out. it's not very long lived, but what we found is that it has a greater effect on some of our high tech microcircuit technology that we've deployed in various things, whether it'd be computers o... |
For that reason, we take steps to protect our critical commanding control elements from an EMP blasts, so that we always provide the president the opportunity to command and control his nuclear forces even in that environment. And that's really important. | for that reason we take steps to protect our critical commanding control elements from an emp blasts so that. we always provide the president the opportunity to command and, control his nuclear forces even in that environment and that's really | For that reason we take steps to protect our critical commanding control elements from an EMP blasts. so that we always provide the president the opportunity to; command; and control his nuclear forces even in that environment And that's really | for that reason, we take steps to protect our critical commanding control elements from an emp blasts, so that we always provide the president the opportunity to command and control his nuclear forces even in that environment. and that's really important. |
All right. Thanks so much for your call, Dom. | all right thanks, so much for your call | All right Thanks so much for your call | all right. thanks so much for your call, dom. |
Let's go to Norman. And Norman is calling from Rome, Georgia. Hi, Norman. | let's go to norman and norman is calling from rome georgia hi | Let's go to Norman And Norman is calling from Rome Georgia Hi | let's go to norman. and norman is calling from rome, georgia. hi, norman. |
Hi. Thank you. General, you mentioned that the next generation of recruit to the military going to need to be versed in this technology and cyber warfare. I'm an ROTC cadet at Princeton University, what would you ask our generation and the new recruits going into the military to train themselves and equip themselves to... | hi thank you general you mentioned that the next generation of recruit to the military going to need to be versed, in this technology and cyber warfare i'm an. rotc, cadet at princeton university what would you ask our generation and the new recruits going into the military to train themselves and equip themselves to b... | Hi Thank you. General you mentioned. that the next generation of recruit to the military going to need to be versed in this technology and cyber warfare I'm an, ROTC cadet at Princeton University what would you ask our generation and the new recruits going into the military to train themselves and equip themselves to b... | hi. thank you. general, you mentioned that the next generation of recruit to the military going to need to be versed in this technology and cyber warfare. i'm an rotc cadet at princeton university, what would you ask our generation and the new recruits going into the military to train themselves and equip themselves to... |
Well, first of all, thank you for being in the ROTC and joining the all-volunteer force to serve our nation. You have my highest respect for that. We need skill sets across the board, in the United States military -whether it'd be in cyberspace, air, land, sea operations. And so, I would encourage you to follow your pa... | well first of all thank you for being in the rotc. and joining the all-volunteer force to serve. our nation, you have my highest respect for, that we need skill sets. across the board in the united states military -whether it'd be in cyberspace air land sea operations and so i would encourage you to follow, your passio... | Well first of all thank you for being in. the ROTC and joining the; all-volunteer force to. serve our nation You have my. highest, respect, for that We need skill, sets across the, board in the, United States, military -whether it'd be in cyberspace air land sea operations And so I would encourage you to follow your. p... | well, first of all, thank you for being in the rotc and joining the all-volunteer force to serve our nation. you have my highest respect for that. we need skill sets across the board, in the united states military -whether it'd be in cyberspace, air, land, sea operations. and so, i would encourage you to follow your pa... |
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Good afternoon, Chuck. Let me talk about space, first of all. And the concept arms race in space - of course, there is a treaty today, a space treaty, that the nations are - the Soviet Union and the U.S. signed up to and many other nations that prevents putting nuclear weapons in space - which I think is a good thing, ... | good afternoon chuck let me talk, about space first of all and the concept arms race, in space - of course there is a treaty today a space treaty that the nations are - the soviet union and the u.s signed up; to and many other, nations that prevents putting nuclear weapons in space - which i, think is a good thing or p... | Good afternoon Chuck Let me talk about space first of all And the concept arms, race in space - of course there is a treaty today a, space treaty that the nations. are - the Soviet Union and the U.S signed up to and many other nations that. prevents putting. nuclear; weapons. in space - which I think is a good thing or... | good afternoon, chuck. let me talk about space, first of all. and the concept arms race in space - of course, there is a treaty today, a space treaty, that the nations are - the soviet union and the u.s. signed up to and many other nations that prevents putting nuclear weapons in space - which i think is a good thing, ... |
And there's been talk, not new but for many years, about how do you define a weapon in space? I mean, a nuclear weapon is pretty easy to find. I often ask people. I say, well, if I could build a spaceship or a spacecraft that could go up into space, and then let's say I put a chemical arm on it and I could fly it up ne... | and there's been talk not new but for many, years about how do you define; a weapon in space? i mean a nuclear weapon is pretty easy to, find i often ask people i say well if i could build a. spaceship or a spacecraft that could go up into space and then let's say i put a chemical arm on it and i could fly it up next t... | And there's been talk not new but for many years about how do you define a weapon in. space? I mean. a. nuclear weapon is pretty easy to find I often ask people I say well if I could, build a spaceship or a spacecraft that could go up into space, and then let's. say I put a chemical arm. on, it and I could fly it up ne... | and there's been talk, not new but for many years, about how do you define a weapon in space? i mean, a nuclear weapon is pretty easy to find. i often ask people. i say, well, if i could build a spaceship or a spacecraft that could go up into space, and then let's say i put a chemical arm on it and i could fly it up ne... |
All right. Thank you so much, general. It was great talking to you today. General Kevin Chilton, commander of the U.S. Strategic Command joined us today. Author Tom Bowman, NPR Pentagon correspondent. Thanks to both of you for being with us. | all right thank you so much general it was great talking to you, today general. kevin chilton commander of the u.s strategic command joined us today, author tom bowman, npr pentagon correspondent thanks to. both of you for being with | All right. Thank. you so much general It was. great talking to you today, General Kevin Chilton commander of, the U.S Strategic Command joined. us today Author Tom Bowman NPR Pentagon correspondent Thanks to. both of you for being with | all right. thank you so much, general. it was great talking to you today. general kevin chilton, commander of the u.s. strategic command joined us today. author tom bowman, npr pentagon correspondent. thanks to both of you for being with us. |
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This is WEEKEND EDITION from NPR News. I'm Scott Simon. And last night, the House of Representatives prevented a government shutdown with a stop-gap just hours before the last stop-gap funding bill would have expired. The House passed a trillion dollar spending package along with a short-term measure to keep government... | this is weekend edition, from npr news, i'm scott simon. and, last, night the house of representatives prevented a government shutdown with a stop-gap just hours before the last stop-gap funding bill would have expired the house passed a trillion dollar spending package along with, a short-term measure to keep governme... | This is WEEKEND EDITION; from NPR News I'm Scott Simon And last night the House of Representatives prevented a government shutdown with a stop-gap, just hours before the last stop-gap funding bill would have, expired The House passed. a. trillion dollar spending package along with; a short-term measure, to keep governm... | this is weekend edition from npr news. i'm scott simon. and last night, the house of representatives prevented a government shutdown with a stop-gap just hours before the last stop-gap funding bill would have expired. the house passed a trillion dollar spending package along with a short-term measure to keep government... |
Sure, Scott. Good morning. | sure scott good | Sure Scott Good | sure, scott. good morning. |
So, are we past the threat of the government shutting down? | so are we past the threat of the government shutting, | So are; we past the threat of the government shutting | so, are we past the threat of the government shutting down? |
We are indeed, Scott. The Senate this morning voted to pass the trillion dollar omnibus spending bill that the House passed yesterday. And that should keep the federal government in business through September. This huge spending bill was quite unusual, in that it's a product of bipartisan collaboration, wrapping up wha... | we. are indeed scott the senate this morning voted to pass the trillion, dollar omnibus spending bill, that the house. passed yesterday and that should. keep. the federal government in. business through september this huge spending bill was quite unusual, in that it's a product of bipartisan collaboration wrapping up, ... | We are indeed, Scott The Senate this morning voted, to pass the trillion dollar omnibus spending bill that, the House passed yesterday And. that should, keep the federal government in business through, September This huge spending bill was quite unusual in that it's a product of bipartisan collaboration wrapping up wha... | we are indeed, scott. the senate this morning voted to pass the trillion dollar omnibus spending bill that the house passed yesterday. and that should keep the federal government in business through september. this huge spending bill was quite unusual, in that it's a product of bipartisan collaboration, wrapping up wha... |
Why do these things seemed to be always resolved at the very last minute? | why do these things seemed to be always resolved at the; very last | Why do these things seemed to be always resolved at the very last | why do these things seemed to be always resolved at the very last minute? |
Well, you know, as a rule, Congress usually doesn't get big things done until it absolutely has to them. And that's been especially true this year. But there is another reason this went right up to the brink, and that is that the White House had urged Democrats to hold up the omnibus spending bill to add pressure to fi... | well you know as, a rule congress usually doesn't get big things done until it absolutely has to, them and that's been, especially true, this; year but there is another reason this went right up to the brink. and. that is that the white house had urged democrats to hold up the omnibus spending bill to add pressure to f... | Well you know as a rule Congress usually doesn't get big things done until it absolutely. has to them And; that's been especially true this year But there is another reason this went right up to the brink and; that is that the White House had, urged Democrats to hold up the omnibus spending bill to add pressure to firs... | well, you know, as a rule, congress usually doesn't get big things done until it absolutely has to them. and that's been especially true this year. but there is another reason this went right up to the brink, and that is that the white house had urged democrats to hold up the omnibus spending bill to add pressure to fi... |
And there appears there has been a Senate deal struck to keep people's payroll taxes from going up on January 1st. | and there appears there has been a senate deal struck to keep people's payroll taxes from going up, on january | And there appears there has been a Senate deal struck to keep people's, payroll taxes from going up on January | and there appears there has been a senate deal struck to keep people's payroll taxes from going up on january 1st. |
There has indeed, and it was approved by the Senate this morning. But it's only for the next two months, rather than the full year that President Obama wanted. It also extends unemployment benefits another two months and prevents a big cut in the fees that doctors get paid for Medicare patients. And it's all paid for b... | there has indeed and it was approved by the senate this morning but it's only for the next two months rather, than the full year that, president obama wanted it also extends, unemployment benefits another two months and prevents a big. cut in the fees that doctors get paid for medicare patients and it's all paid for bu... | There has indeed and it was approved by the Senate this morning But it's only for the next two months rather than the full year that President Obama wanted, It, also extends unemployment benefits another two months and prevents. a big cut in the fees that doctors, get paid for Medicare patients. And it's all paid for b... | there has indeed, and it was approved by the senate this morning. but it's only for the next two months, rather than the full year that president obama wanted. it also extends unemployment benefits another two months and prevents a big cut in the fees that doctors get paid for medicare patients. and it's all paid for b... |
But didn't President Obama once say that he'd reject any measure to extend the tax cut by including the Keystone pipeline? | but didn't president obama once say, that he'd reject any, measure to extend the tax cut by including the keystone | But didn't President Obama once say that he'd reject any measure. to extend the tax cut by including. the. Keystone | but didn't president obama once say that he'd reject any measure to extend the tax cut by including the keystone pipeline? |
He did. The president had earlier declared a decision on this controversial pipeline would not be made until after next year's election. And when Republicans started talking about attaching the Keystone pipeline issue to the payroll tax cut extension, he warned he'd reject such deal. But this Senate deal does include s... | he did; the president had earlier declared a decision on; this controversial pipeline would not be made until after next year's election and when republicans, started talking. about, attaching the keystone pipeline issue. to the. payroll tax cut extension; he warned he'd reject such deal but this senate deal does, incl... | He did The president had earlier declared a decision on this controversial pipeline would not be made until after next year's election And when Republicans, started, talking about attaching the Keystone pipeline issue to the payroll, tax; cut extension he warned he'd, reject such deal But this Senate deal does, include... | he did. the president had earlier declared a decision on this controversial pipeline would not be made until after next year's election. and when republicans started talking about attaching the keystone pipeline issue to the payroll tax cut extension, he warned he'd reject such deal. but this senate deal does include s... |
NPR's David Welna. Thanks so much. | npr's david welna thanks so | NPR's David Welna Thanks so, | npr's david welna. thanks so much. |
You're welcome. | you're | You're | you're welcome. |
We're also following news here in Washington. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted this evening to approve President Trump's pick for secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, but not without a bit of last-minute drama. First Kentucky Republican Rand Paul switched his vote. Then Georgia Senator Johnny Isakson had to mis... | we're also following news here in washington the senate foreign relations committee voted this evening to approve president trump's pick for secretary of. state mike pompeo but not without a bit of last-minute drama first, kentucky republican rand paul switched his vote then georgia senator johnny isakson had to miss t... | We're also following news here in Washington The Senate, Foreign Relations Committee voted this evening to approve, President Trump's pick for secretary of state Mike. Pompeo but not without a. bit of, last-minute drama First Kentucky Republican Rand Paul switched his vote Then Georgia Senator Johnny Isakson had to mis... | we're also following news here in washington. the senate foreign relations committee voted this evening to approve president trump's pick for secretary of state, mike pompeo, but not without a bit of last-minute drama. first kentucky republican rand paul switched his vote. then georgia senator johnny isakson had to mis... |
Hi, Ari. | hi, | Hi, | hi, ari. |
There was a lot of confusion before the committee voted to approve Pompeo. What happened? | there was a, lot of confusion before the committee. voted to approve pompeo what | There was a lot of confusion before the committee voted to approve Pompeo. What | there was a lot of confusion before the committee voted to approve pompeo. what happened? |
The drama started just a few minutes before the hearing. First Rand Paul announced on Twitter that he no longer planned to oppose Pompeo. Then some senators were stuck in traffic, and then it appeared Senator Johnny Isakson was going to have to miss the vote entirely. | the drama started, just a few minutes before the hearing first rand paul announced on twitter that he no longer planned, to oppose pompeo then some senators. were stuck in. traffic and then it appeared senator johnny isakson was going, to have to miss; the vote | The drama started just a few minutes before the hearing, First Rand Paul announced on Twitter that he no longer planned to oppose Pompeo; Then some senators were stuck in traffic and then; it appeared Senator Johnny Isakson was going to have to. miss the vote | the drama started just a few minutes before the hearing. first rand paul announced on twitter that he no longer planned to oppose pompeo. then some senators were stuck in traffic, and then it appeared senator johnny isakson was going to have to miss the vote entirely. |
I want to play you a little bit of one of President Trump's answers to another reporter, an American reporter, Jeff Mason of Reuters, who is part of the White House press corps. | i want to play you a little bit of one of president trump's answers to another reporter an american reporter jeff mason, of reuters who is part of the white house press | I want to play you a little bit of; one of President Trump's answers to another reporter, an American reporter Jeff Mason of Reuters who is part of, the White House press | i want to play you a little bit of one of president trump's answers to another reporter, an american reporter, jeff mason of reuters, who is part of the white house press corps. |
(SOUNDBITE OF PRESS CONFERENCE) | (soundbite; of press | (SOUNDBITE OF PRESS | (soundbite of press conference) |
You know, when I was listening to the people booing, saying no, no, for Mitt Romney dropping out at the political - Conservative Political Action Conference, you don't know if they were saying no, no because they like Mitt Romney so much or they feared the fact that John McCain was going to be the Republican nominee be... | you know when i was. listening to; the people booing saying no no for mitt romney, dropping out at the political - conservative. political action conference; you don't, know if they. were saying no no because they like mitt romney so much or they feared. the fact that john mccain was going, to be the republican nominee... | You know when I was listening to the people booing saying no no for Mitt Romney dropping out, at the political - Conservative Political Action Conference you don't know if, they were saying no no because they like; Mitt Romney so much or they feared the fact that John McCain was going to be the Republican nominee becau... | you know, when i was listening to the people booing, saying no, no, for mitt romney dropping out at the political - conservative political action conference, you don't know if they were saying no, no because they like mitt romney so much or they feared the fact that john mccain was going to be the republican nominee be... |
John McCain is in fact scheduled to address that same conference at the top of this hour, about 50 minutes from now. And it'll be very interesting to see what the reaction to him from the conservative conference here in Washington, D.C. is going to be. | john mccain is in fact scheduled to address that same conference at the top of this hour about 50 minutes from now. and. it'll be very interesting to see what the reaction to him from the conservative conference here in washington d.c is going to | John McCain is in fact scheduled to address that same, conference at the top of. this hour about, 50 minutes from now And, it'll be very interesting to see what the reaction to him from the, conservative conference here in Washington D.C is going to | john mccain is in fact scheduled to address that same conference at the top of this hour, about 50 minutes from now. and it'll be very interesting to see what the reaction to him from the conservative conference here in washington, d.c. is going to be. |
Nevertheless, that leaves - it was interesting, Governor Huckabee on Tuesday night, said, you know what, they kept saying this is a two-man race, and he said, yes, it is and we're in it. I guess he was prophetic. | nevertheless, that leaves - it was interesting governor huckabee on tuesday. night said you know what they kept saying. this is a two-man race and he said yes it is and we're in it i guess he was | Nevertheless that leaves - it was. interesting Governor Huckabee on Tuesday night said you know what, they kept saying this is a two-man race. and he said yes, it is and we're in it I guess he was | nevertheless, that leaves - it was interesting, governor huckabee on tuesday night, said, you know what, they kept saying this is a two-man race, and he said, yes, it is and we're in it. i guess he was prophetic. |
Well, he did win the Southern states. A lot of people thought that Romney and Huckabee, which split the votes of the social conservative, the evangelical conservatives that make up a big portion of the Republican vote in the South and allow Mitt - John McCain to win. Huckabee did win those states, Romney would have lov... | well, he did win the southern states a lot of people thought that. romney and huckabee. which split the votes of the social conservative the evangelical conservatives that make up a big portion of the republican vote in. the, south and, allow mitt - john mccain to win huckabee, did win, those states romney would have l... | Well he did win the Southern states A lot of people thought that Romney and Huckabee which split the votes, of the social conservative. the evangelical conservatives that make up a big portion of the Republican vote in the South and allow Mitt, - John McCain to win Huckabee did, win those states Romney would have loved... | well, he did win the southern states. a lot of people thought that romney and huckabee, which split the votes of the social conservative, the evangelical conservatives that make up a big portion of the republican vote in the south and allow mitt - john mccain to win. huckabee did win those states, romney would have lov... |
Well, get some listeners in on this conversation. 800-989-8255. E-mail is talk@npr.org. Don't forget that trivia question. | well get some listeners in on this conversation 800-989-8255. e-mail is; talk@npr.org don't forget that trivia | Well. get some listeners in on this conversation 800-989-8255. E-mail. is talk@npr.org Don't forget that trivia | well, get some listeners in on this conversation. 800-989-8255. e-mail is talk@npr.org. don't forget that trivia question. |
Let's talk with Ken(ph). Ken calling us from Watertown, New York. | let's talk with ken(ph). ken calling us from watertown new | Let's talk with Ken(ph). Ken calling us from Watertown New | let's talk with ken(ph). ken calling us from watertown, new york. |
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