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"content": "\n This next question is rather interesting, Śrīla Prabhupāda. “Is it not possible for all kinds of spiritualists – be they Advaitans [advocates of oneness of the self with God], Dvaitans [advocates of total difference between the self and God], or Viṣiṣṭādvaitans [advocates of qualified oneness of the self with God] – to come together instead of remaining isolated as warring factions?”\n Yes. This is the process taught by Caitanya Mahāprabhu – to bring all the Dvaitans and Advaitans together on one platform. Everyone has to understand that he is essentially a servant of God. The Advaitan wrongly thinks that he is absolutely one with God, that he himself is God. That is wrong. How can you become God? God is ṣaḍ-aiśvarya-pūrṇam, full in six opulences. He has all power, all wealth, all beauty, all fame, all knowledge, and all renunciation. So this Advaitan idea is artificial – to think you’re able to become God.\nThe Dvaitans stress that one is utterly different from God, that God is separate from the living entity. But actually, from the Bhagavad-gītā we understand that the living entities are part and parcel of God. And in the Vedas it is said, nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13): both God and His creatures are living entities, though God is the chief. Eko yo bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān: the difference between the two is that God maintains all the other living entities. That is a fact. We are maintained, and God is the maintainer. We are predominated – we are not independent – and God is the predominator. But because the predominated living entities are part and parcel of God, in quality they are one with God.\nSo Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s philosophy is acintya-bhedābheda: the living entities are simultaneously one with and different from the Lord. The living entity is one in the sense that he is part and parcel of God. So if God were gold, the living entity would also be gold. That is oneness in quality. But God is great, and we are minute. In that way we are different. That is why Caitanya Mahāprabhu enunciated this philosophy of acintya-bhedābheda: inconceivable, simultaneous oneness with and difference from God. That is real philosophy.\nSo on the platform of this philosophy, everyone can come together, if they are reasonable. If they remain unreasonably stuck up in their own concocted philosophy, then it is difficult. But it is a fact that the living entity is eternally one with and different from God. Find this verse: mamaivāṁśo jīva-loke.",
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"content": "\n So if the living entity is eternally a fragmental part, how can he become one with the whole? The part is never equal to the whole. That is an axiomatic truth. So it is a wrong conception to try to become equal to God. The Māyāvādīs are trying to become God, but that is impossible. Let them try to become godly. Godly means “servant of God.” That will make them perfect. The Vaiṣṇava philosophy teaches that we can remain in our natural position but act as a servant of God. That is perfect. But if the servant tries to become the master, that is artificial.\nOf course, in the spiritual world there often seems to be no difference between the master and the servant. For instance, Kṛṣṇa’s friends the cowherd boys – they do not know that Kṛṣṇa is God. They play with Him on equal terms. When Kṛṣṇa is defeated in play, He has to take His friend on His shoulder and carry him. The friends do not know who is God and who is not God. So that is the advanced spiritual conception. Of course, the difference is always there between God and the part-and-parcel living entities, but by the influence of God’s internal potency, the understanding is covered. We can attain that position after many, many lives of pious activities. That is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam [10.12.11]:\nitthaṁ satāṁ brahma-sukhānubhūtyā\ndāsyaṁ gatānāṁ para-daivatena\nmāyāśritānāṁ nara-dārakeṇa\nsākaṁ vijahruḥ kṛta-puṇya-puñjāḥ\nThe cowherd boys are playing with Kṛṣṇa. And who is Kṛṣṇa? He is the essence of brahma-sukha, spiritual bliss. He is Param Brahman, the Supreme Spirit. So the boys are playing with Param Brahman, though to an ordinary man He appears to be an ordinary child. How have the cowherd boys gotten the position of being able to play with Kṛṣṇa? Kṛta-puṇya-puñjāḥ: After many, many lives of pious activities, they have gotten the position of playing with Kṛṣṇa on equal terms.\nSo this is the conception of pure devotional service – that when you go to Goloka Vṛndāvana, Kṛṣṇa’s abode, you love Kṛṣṇa so much that you will not distinguish between the Supreme Lord and His subordinates. The inhabitants of Kṛṣṇa’s abode have such unflinching love for Kṛṣṇa. That is Vṛndāvana life. The cows, the calves, the trees, the flowers, the water, the elderly men, Kṛṣṇa’s parents Nanda Mahārāja and Yaśodāmayī – everyone is intensely attached to Kṛṣṇa. Everyone’s central point is Kṛṣṇa. Everyone is loving Kṛṣṇa so much that they do not know He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nSometimes the residents of Vṛndāvana see Kṛṣṇa’s wonderful activities and think, “Kṛṣṇa must be some demigod who has come here.” They never recognize that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead – or if they do, Kṛṣṇa makes them immediately forget. When Kṛṣṇa manifested His pastimes on earth some five thousands years ago, He passed through many dangerous situations – so many demons were coming – and mother Yaśodā would chant mantras to protect Kṛṣṇa, thinking, “He may not be put into some calamity.” Kṛṣṇa’s family and friends never understood that Kṛṣṇa is God. Their natural love for Kṛṣṇa was so intense. Therefore Vṛndāvana life is so exalted. As Caitanya Mahāprabhu taught, ārādhyo bhagavān vrajeṣa-tanayas tad-dhāma vṛndāvanam: First of all, Kṛṣṇa – Vrajendra-nandana, the son of Nanda Mahārāja – is ārādhya, worshipable. Then, tad-dhāma vṛndāvanam: His dhāma, or abode – Vṛndāvana – is equally worshipable.\nSo these facts pertain to a higher standard of understanding. Only a devotee can understand that to become one with God is not a sublime idea. In Vṛndāvana the devotees want to become the father or mother of God – to control God with love. This fact the Māyāvādīs, or Advaitavādīs, cannot understand. Only pure devotees can understand these things. What is the benefit of becoming one with God?\nEven other Vaiṣṇava philosophies cannot explain the higher relationships with God, which Caitanya Mahāprabhu explained. These are vātsalya-rasa [parenthood], and mādhurya-rasa [conjugal love]. Caitanya Mahāprabhu especially taught that our relationship with Kṛṣṇa can be in conjugal love, madhurya-rasa.\nBut as for our general understanding, Lord Caitanya introduced the philosophy of acintya-bhedābheda – simultaneously one with and different from the Lord. That is explained by Kṛṣṇa in Bhagavad-gītā [15.7]: mamaivāṁśo … jīva-bhūtaḥ – the living entities are part and parcel of God. So we are one with God, since we have God’s qualities in minute degree. But God is the master, and we are always subordinate. Eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān: we are protected, we are maintained, we are predominated. That is our position. We cannot attain the position of predominator. That is not possible.",
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"content": "\n Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. [Prabhupāda and devotees repeat]",
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"content": "\n\njanmādy asya yato 'nvayād itarataś cārtheṣv abhijñaḥ svarāṭ\ntene brahma hṛdā ya ādi-kavaye muhyanti yat sūrayaḥ\ntejo-vāri-mṛdāṁ yathā vinimayo yatra tri-sargo 'mṛṣā\ndhāmnā svena sadā nirasta-kuhakaṁ satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi\n[SB 1.1.1]\nSo Vyāsadeva is offering his obeisances to satyaṁ param, the Absolute Supreme Truth, not to the relative truth. Everyone has to offer obeisances to somebody. Somebody... In our practical life, at least, we have to offer obeisances to the police constable. When you go on the street, as soon as they, \"Stop!\" so we have to obey. So how you can avoid obeying? They are saying that \"We don't believe in God,\" \"God is dead,\" \"I am God.\" But why you are offering obeisances even to the small constable? That means you have to offer your obeisances to somebody. That is your position.\nBut we are offering obeisances to the relative truth. Relative truth means... That has been explained here that tejo-vāri-mṛdāṁ yathā vinimayo yatra tri-sargo 'mṛṣā. We are offering obeisances to a temporary manifestation of tejo-vāri-mṛdāṁ vinimayaḥ. Tejaḥ means fire, vāri means water, and mṛt means earth. So you take earth, mix with water, and put it into fire. Then grind it, so it becomes mortar and the brick, and you prepare a very big skyscraper and offer obeisances there. Yes. \"Oh, such a big house, mine.\" Tri-sargo 'mṛṣā.\nBut there is another place: dhāmnā svena nirasta-kuhakam. We are offering here obeisances to the bricks, stone, iron. Just like in your country especially—in all Western countries—there are so many statues. The same thing, tejo-vāri-mṛdāṁ vinimayaḥ. But when we install Deity, actually the form, eternal form of Kṛṣṇa, nobody offers obeisances. They'll go to offer obeisances to the dead. Just like in British Museum: they are standing in queue to offer obeisances to a dead body. It has no value, but they are wasting time there. But here, if they are invited, \"Oh, they are worshiping idol. Why shall I go? Why shall I go there?\" This is called illusion. They are actually doing that, obeisances, but not to the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nVyāsadeva says that \"I offer my obeisances to the Supreme Absolute Truth.\" Satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi [SB 1.1.1]. There is no more truth beyond that. And as Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7]. Mattaḥ, \"Beyond Me there is no more superior power.\" Mattaḥ parataraṁ na anyat. So Vyāsadeva is offering his obeisances to the person above whom there is nobody. God means controller, I have several times explained. But here in our experience we see that one controller is controlled by another controller. Nobody is absolute controller. Therefore nobody is Absolute Truth. But there is..., there must be the Absolute Truth. Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1], as it has begun, \"the source of all emanations.\"\nNow, what is that source of emanation? What is the nature? One has to accept the cause and effect. As we have got experience, in everything there is a cause and the effect. So the supreme cause, supreme cause means who has no more cause—sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam [Bs. 5.1]. I am caused by my father, my father is caused by his father. His father, his father..., go on making research, who is the ultimate father. When you come... There must be some ultimate father.\nJust like I have my father, my father has got father, his father... We can see up to two, three generation upwards, and beyond that, we cannot see. That does not mean that the great-grandfather had no father. There must have been some father. Is it very unreasonable? Anyone can understand. Although I cannot see with my limited potency, but with my knowledge, reasonable knowledge, I can understand that either he may be great-grandfather or above that, above that, he must have some father.\nSo Lord Brahmā is called therefore pitāmaha, \"grandfather,\" because he is the original father within this universe. He is the first created being, and he begot so many children. So all the living entities, they are born of Brahmā. He is called sṛṣṭi-kartā. Sṛṣṭi-kartā means \"the creator of this universe.\" And there are innumerable universes. In each universe there is one Brahmā, and all these Brahmās are also created by Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu. Therefore viṣṇu-tattva is the Absolute Truth. Now it will be explained in the purport.\nRead.",
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"content": "\n \"Śrī Vyāsadeva asserts herein that Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead, and all others are His direct or indirect plenary portions or portion of the portion. Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī has even more explicitly explained the subject matter in his Kṛṣṇa Sandarbha, and Brahmā, the original living being...\"",
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"content": "\n Jīva Gosvāmī has got six sandarbhas, theses: Bhagavat-sandarbha, Kṛṣṇa-sandarbha, Tattva-sandarbha, Prīti-sandarbha, like that. So these books are... I don't think it is published in English. So these sandarbhas are so philosophically discussed that throughout the whole world, there is not a single philosopher who can defy these Jīva Gosvāmī's six sandarbhas. Our this Gauḍīya-sampradāya...\nWe belong to Gauḍīya-sampradāya—Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, from the disciplic succession of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. We have got immense literature to understand God. One who wants to understand God through philosophy, science, argument, logic, so to supply them material, we have got immense literature, Vedic literature. So one of them is mentioned here, Kṛṣṇa-sandarbha, what is Kṛṣṇa.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"And Brahmā, the original living being, has explained the subject of Śrī Kṛṣṇa substantially in his treatise named Brahma-saṁhitā. In the Sāma-veda Upaniṣad it is also stated that Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the divine son of Devakī.\"",
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"content": "\n Some of the foolish scholars, they say that Kṛṣṇa was a, I mean to say, powerful..., what is called? Aborigine. And the Kṛṣṇa worshipers have taken Him because He was very powerful. Kṛṣṇa is always powerful. But they have misinterpreted in this way. Kṛṣṇa is mentioned in the Vedas. Just like these books, Brahma-saṁhitā. Brahma-saṁhitā is only description of Kṛṣṇa, and this book was composed by Lord Brahmā. Nobody knows how many millions of years ago this book was composed, but we understand that it was composed by Brahmā on the authority of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu.\nOur process is to take knowledge from the authority. We don't bother whether Brahma-saṁhitā was actually written by Brahmā or not. The so-called scholars and anthropologists and—what is called?—archaeologists, they may go on talking, but we have got a very nice process: to receive knowledge through paramparā system, Vedic succession, disciplic succession.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu, when He was traveling in the southern part of India, South India, Ādikeśava Mandira, there was a temple. Still that temple is there. He found out this Brahma-saṁhitā in handwritten. Formerly, there was no printing press, so any important Vedic literature was being copied. Suppose you have got some copy. I want it, so I borrow from you the book, and I copy in my handwriting or I engage somebody who has got good handwriting. In this way, in Vṛndāvana, still there are so many handmade, handwritten literatures.\nThey have opened one association, one society. They are collecting all this handwritten literature. So this handwritten literature, Brahma-saṁhitā, was collected by Caitanya Mahāprabhu from a temple in South India, and He delivered to His immediate disciples, that \"This is Brahma-saṁhitā, written by Brahmā. It is the summary of the Bhāgavata, Śrīmad-Bhāgavata.\"\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu gives reference of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam with Brahma-saṁhitā. That means Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam also is eternal. They are not man-made, manufactured books. The Vedic literature means, as it is stated in this verse, tene brahma hṛdā. Brahma means Vedic literature, śabda-brahma. So He distributed the... Vāsudeva, original person, Absolute Truth, He, I mean to say, transferred this Vedic knowledge. Tene brahma hṛdā.\nBrahmā was alone. He could not see Kṛṣṇa eye to eye, but īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe arjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61]. Kṛṣṇa is everyone's heart, so He taught him from within. Kṛṣṇa's name is Caitya-guru, \"guru, spiritual master, from within.\" So Kṛṣṇa is trying to help us from within, and He manifests again externally also as spiritual master, directly teaching. So from within, from without, He is trying to help us. Kṛṣṇa is so kind. From within and without. Tene brahma hṛdā ādi-kavaye [SB 1.1.1].\nSo this Brahma-saṁhitā was written by Lord Brahmā, and in Brahma-saṁhitā the name of Kṛṣṇa is there. Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ [Bs. 5.1], beginning. That is the fifth chapter. There were hundred chapters. Only fifth chapter is available. So in the beginning of that fifth chapter, Brahmā says, īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1]. So how these rascals can conclude that Kṛṣṇa was liv..., some years, some hundred or five hundred years ago there was a beel[?] boy, he was very powerful.\nSo in this way, these rascal so-called scholars, they are misleaded public. Therefore we call them simply rascals. They do not know what is the truth, and still, they write books, they write commentaries unauthorizedly and mislead public. This is going on. Kṛṣṇa is not manufactured. In the Brahma-saṁhitā there is complete description of Kṛṣṇa:\nīśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ\nsac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ\nanādir ādir govindaḥ\nsarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam\n[Bs. 5.1]\nThe cause of all causes. Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]. Vedānta-sūtra says, \"The Absolute Truth is that which is the origin, original cause.\" Original cause. The scientists, they are trying to find out the original cause of creation, but they are creating their own imagination. \"There was a chunk, and it burst out, and then planets came out.\" Like that. [laughter] And wherefrom this chunk came, you nonsense? So this is going on.\nSo if you actually want knowledge, then you have to take knowledge by this disciplic succession. Because you cannot speculate. By speculation, you can never arrive to the Absolute Truth. That is not possible.\nathāpi te deva padāmbuja-dvayaṁ\nprasāda-leśānugṛhīta eva hi\njānāti tattvaṁ bhagavan-mahimno\nna cānya eko 'pi ciraṁ vicinvan\n[SB 10.14.29]\nCiraṁ vicinvan. Ciram means perpetually you can speculate, but you cannot understand what is God. That is not possible. You have to know God from a person who knows God or God personally. Just like Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa's name is mentioned in the Bhāgavata..., Brahma-saṁhitā. That means Brahmā knew Kṛṣṇa. That means Kṛṣṇa was before Brahmā's birth, original. Aham evāsam agre. Before creation, Kṛṣṇa was. Not that Kṛṣṇa is a product of this material creation.\nJust like we are product of this material creation. This body, everyone knows it is a product of material creation. My father and mother created this body. My father and mother's body also created by somebody, somebody, somebody. Kṛṣṇa's body is not like that. Kṛṣṇa's body is beyond creation—aham evāsam agre. Because there was no creation, and Kṛṣṇa was existing before creation, then how you can say Kṛṣṇa's body is material? That is not possible.\nSo when there was no material creation, Kṛṣṇa was there. Therefore His body is not... Therefore Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, janma karma ajo 'pi san avyayātmā: \"I am born,\" avyayātmā, \"eternal body; still, I take birth.\" Bhūtānām īśvaro 'pi san: \"I am the Lord of everyone; still, I appear.\" These things are to be understood. And if we can understand Kṛṣṇa, janma karma me divyam... [Bg. 4.9].\nThese are all transcendental knowledge. They are not ordinary knowledge. Divyam, transcendental. His appearance, His disappearance, His work, His activity, His pastimes, they are all transcendental. So anyone who can try to understand Kṛṣṇa in His transcendental position beyond creation, beyond creation...\nEven Śaṅkarācārya, the impersonalist, he says, nārāyaṇa paraḥ avyaktāt: \"Nārāyaṇa is beyond this material creation.\" Avyakta. Avyakta means there is a total stock of material elements beyond this universe. There are so many things to be learned. This universe we see just like a ball, and this ball is covered by layers of water, fire, air, earth, like that. Circling. And each layer is ten times bigger than the previous layer. In this way the universe is covered.\nAnd beyond that covering, there is another sky. We are prisoned here within this universe. We are thinking that we are very free to move in the sky with, what is called, sputniks. But you cannot go beyond your limitation. That is not possible. They are going to the moon planet, again coming back. You see?\nThat is our conditional life, that you are conditioned, packed up under certain regulations. If you violate, then you are punishable. You cannot violate. You have to remain within the conditions of material nature. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama... [Bg. 7.14]. You cannot violate. 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"content": "\n Modern sociology is targeting the state or the people as the owner of a certain state, but our Vedic conception is īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvaṁ [Īśo mantra 1]: \"Everything is owned by Īśa, the Supreme Controller.\" Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā: \"What is given by Him, allotted to you, you enjoy that.\" Mā gṛdhaḥ kasya svid dhanam: \"Do not encroach upon others' property.\" This is Īśopaniṣad, Vedas. And the same idea is explained in different Purāṇas.\nSo the Vedas can give you... The other day I was reading in the..., that paper, Moscow News, there was a Congress, Communist Congress, and the president declared that \"We are ready to get others' experience to improve.\" So I think the Vedic concept of socialism or communism will much improve the idea of Communism.\nJust like we are thinking in terms of human beings, the commu..., socialistic state, that \"Nobody should starve. Everyone must have his food.\" And in the Vedic conception of gṛhastha, householder, it is recommended there that a householder shall see that even a lizard living in the room or even a snake living in that house should not starve.\nThey should be also given food. And what to speak of others? The gṛhastha, before taking his lunch, he is recommended to stand on the road and declare that \"If anybody is still hungry, please come. Food is ready.\" Then, if there is no response, then the proprietor of the household life, he takes his lunch.\nIn this way there are so many good concept about this socialistic idea of communism. So I thought that these ideas might have been distributed to some of your thoughtful men. Therefore I was anxious to speak with you.",
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"content": "\n Yes, you know what is interesting... As it is here in our country, with our great interest in the history of old, old god, from this point of view our institute translated into Russian and published many, I must say, literary monuments of great Indian culture. I will have a pleasure to present you a copy of a booklet which was written here by me and my colleagues. It's account of Soviet studies of India. And here there is chapter, chapter second, \"Studies of Ancient Indian Texts in the USSR...\"\nYou'll be interested to discover we published not all, but some, some in exceptions, Purāṇas, we published [indistinct] of them; then some parts of Rāmāyaṇa, eight volumes in Russian, Mahābhārata. We have also second edition of Mahābhārata, translated by different people. Kabukare Artha-śāstra[?] also was translated in full and published.\nManu-smṛti also translated in full and published with Sanskrit commentaries. And such is a great interest, I think that all these publication was sold in a week. Now quite completely out of stock, this. It was impossible to get them in book market after month, such a great interest among reading people here in Moscow and the USSR towards ancient Indian culture. And from this point of view we published, I must say, a lot of things, a lot of things.",
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"content": "\n Now, amongst these Purāṇas, the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is called the Mahā-purāṇa.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So we have translated in English the full, with the original Sanskrit text, its transliteration, an English equivalent for each word, then translation, and then purport, explanation of the verse. In this way there are 18,000s of verses in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nAnd the ācāryas, the great saintly sages who are the preachers of this Bhāgavatam throughout India, their opinion is that it is the ripened fruit of the Vedic desire tree. Nigama-kalpa-taror galitaṁ phalaṁ idam [SB 1.1.3]. And it is accepted by all, I mean, Indian scholars, and especially Lord Caitanya, He preached this Bhāgavata. So we have got that, complete, in English translation. If you want to see some of them, we can show you.",
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"content": "\n It seems to me that in the Moscow and Leningrad libraries we have nearly all of major texts of ancient Indian culture, beginning from Vedas, original text in Sanskrit. For instance, we have in Lenin Library nearly six or eight editions of...",
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"content": "\n ...Manu-smṛti.",
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"content": "\n You have not brought any books? Bhāgavata?",
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"content": "\n ...about, Leningrad branch, Leningrad branch of our Institute—because Institute was, Imperial Russia, founded in Leningrad—so in Leningrad now we have now a branch of our Institute dealing mainly...",
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"content": "\n ...with the history of Asiatic culture. We have a million... [aside:] Thank you very much. Here is a sample account of our book. You will find here some account of what has been translated and what else is being done in the history of Indian philosophy, and now with this Indian philosophy, history of Indian religion, and now with this Indian..., what is Hinduism now, just now in India also. It is very simple account of...",
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"content": "\n Hinduism is a very complex term. [laughs]",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes, Hinduism. It is not all... It is really... To my understanding it is not religion from European point of view. It is a really a way of life...",
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"content": "\n ...religion, Indian, a way of philosophy, a way of life, a religion, everything...",
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"content": "\n No, this Hinduism, Hindu, this word, is not a Sanskrit word. It is given by the Muhammadans. You know there is a river, Indus, which is..., Sanskrit name is Sindhu. Sindhu.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Oh, yes, yes, yes.",
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"content": "\n These Muhammadans, they pronounce \"s\" as \"h.\" \"Hindus,\" \"Hindus.\" Instead of \"Sindhus,\" they made it \"Hindus.\" So Hindu is a term which is not found in the Sanskrit dictionary.",
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"content": "\n But it has come into use. Real, I mean to say, cultural institution is called varṇāśrama, four varṇas and four āśramas: brāhmaṇa, kṣatri, vaiśya, śūdra—these four varṇas—and brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. So according to Vedic concept of life, unless people take to this system or institution, institute of varṇa and āśrama, four varṇas and four āśramas, actually he does not become a civilized human being.\nThis... One has to take this process, four divisions of varṇas and four..., four division of social order and four divisions of spiritual order. That is called varṇāśrama. So India's culture is based on these four..., eight system, varṇa and āśrama.",
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"content": "\n Varnāśrama.",
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"content": "\n Varṇa, varṇāśrama. And in the Bhagavad-gītā—perhaps you have read Bhagavad-gītā—there is also the statement, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ [Bg. 4.13]. It is... This system is created originally by Viṣṇu.\n[break] So as everything is creation of the Supreme, they cannot be changed. That is prevalent everywhere, that a... Sun. Sun is creation of the Supreme. So sunshine is here in America, in Russia, in India—everywhere. Similarly, this varṇāśrama system is prevalent everywhere, in some form or other.\nJust like the brāhmaṇas. The brāhmaṇas means the most intelligent class of men, brain, brain of the society. Then the kṣatriyas, the administrator class. Then the vaiśyas, the productive class, and the śūdras, the worker class. These four classes of men are everywhere present in different names. And because it is creation by the original creator, so it is prevalent everywhere, varṇāśrama-dharma. [break]\nSo have you seen this little..., how we are translating this? You can see little. Original śloka, its transliteration, then its English equivalent, then translation, then purport. Each and every verse is being done like that, whole Bhāgavatam Purāṇa.",
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"content": "\n But you know what is interesting to... It is the opinion of some European and old, old Russian scholars, this varṇāśrama system...",
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"content": "\n...is a bit late creation. If you would trace the old sūtras, texts, of Vedic literature, you would find much more simple and egalitarian society. And there is an opinion that this varṇāśrama system was introduced into Indian society on the late stage of Vedic era, but not from the beginning, about... If you would analyze scientifically the old texts, you'll find that... [break]...human estimations. [laughs] As many brains, as many estimations...",
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"content": "\n [laughs] That's it.",
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"content": "\n ...about the duration of this period. Because unfortunately the old classic India we have not so much information.",
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"content": "\n But so far... So far we are concerned, this Bhagavad-gītā... It is mentioned in the Bhagavad-gītā, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam [Bg. 4.13]. Now, this Bhagavad-gītā was spoken five thousand years ago, and in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that \"This system of Bhagavad-gītā was first spoken by Me to the sun-god.\" So if you take estimation of that period, it comes forty millions of years. So whether the European scholar can trace out the history of at least for five thousand years together, not to speak of forty millions?",
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"content": "\n So we have got evidences that this varṇāśrama system is current at least for the five thousand years, varṇāśrama system. And this varṇāśrama system is mentioned in the Viṣṇu Purāṇa also: varnāśramācaravata puruṣeṇa paraḥ pumān\n[Cc. Madhya 8.58]. Varnāśrama acaravata. So that is stated in the Viṣṇu Purāṇa.\nAnd so varṇāśrama-dharma is not a..., within any historical period calculated in the modern age. It is natural. And in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam the comparison is given, just like in your body, in my body, there are four divisions: the face, facial, or the brain division, and the arms division, the belly division and the leg division. Similarly, by nature's way these four divisions are existing in the social body. You may take history wherever you begin, but this is existing. A class of men, they are considered to be brain. A class of men, they are considered to be the arms, administrators. And a class of men, they are called productive class. So there is no need of tracing the history. It is naturally existing from the day of creation.",
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"content": "\n According to so many... You have told that in any society there are four divisions, but the case is not so easy to distinguish. For instance, one can group..., one can group, group together, different social class and professional groups into four divisions in any society. There's no difficulty. Only difficulty, for instance, in socialist society of our country and other socialist society, how can you distinguish productive group and workers?",
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"content": "\n Just like you belong to the intelligent class of men.",
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"content": "\n Intelligent, yes, so...",
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"content": "\n So this is a division.",
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"content": "\n Yes, intelligent class, for instance, brāhmaṇas, if you can put together also with intelligentsia under the brāhmaṇas.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Then administrative staff...",
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"content": "\n ...everywhere.",
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"content": "\n Kṣatriya.",
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"content": "\n From top to... From top to collective farm, for instance, is kṣatriyas. But who would be here vaiśya and who śūdra? That is the difficulty, because all others will workers, workers, anywhere—factory workers, collective farm workers and so on. So from this point of view...",
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"content": "\n ...there is a great distinction, in my opinion, between socialist society and all societies preceding socialist. Because in a modern Western society you can group all social professions, classes, [indistinct] conditionally, you know, at least you can, the brāhmaṇas, kṣatriyas, kṣatriyas... Excuse me... Then this vaiśya, this productive class, is owners...",
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"content": "\n ...of the means of production...",
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"content": "\n ...these factory owners, for instance.",
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"content": "\n And the śūdras are workers, menial workers. But here you have no vaiśyas from this point of view, because you have administrative staff... In fact, there is administrative staff. You can call them kṣatriyas. And then śūdras, that's workers themselves. But not this intermediate class.",
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"content": "\n That is stated, kalau śūdra-sambhavaḥ: \"In this age, practically all men will be śūdras.\" That is... That is predicted. But if there are simply śūdras, then the social order will be disturbed. You... Just like in spite of your state of śūdras, a brāhmaṇa is found here. And that is necessity. So if you do not divide the social order in such a way, then there will be chaos.\nThat is the scientific estimation of the Vedas. You may... You may belong for the time being to the śūdra class, but to maintain the social order you have to train some of the śūdras to become brāhmaṇa, some of the śūdras to become kṣatriyas. It cannot depend on the śūdras. Then there will be chaos. Neither you can depend only on brāhmaṇa.\nJust like to fulfill the necessities of your body there must be a portion called the brain, there must be a portion called the arms, there must be a portion called the stomach, or the belly, and there must be a portion which is called the leg. The leg is also required, the brain is also required, the arm is also required—for cooperation, to fulfill the mission of the whole body. So any, any society you conceive, unless there are these four divisions, there will be chaos. It will be..., not be properly, I mean to say, going on, smoothly going on. There will be some disturbance. Brain must be there.\nSo at the present moment there is scarcity of brain. I am not talking of your state or my state. I am taking the world as it is. The brain... Formerly the Indian administration was going on in monarchy. Just like this picture. This picture is a kṣatriya king. Before his death he renounced his, I mean to say, royal order, and he came to the forest to hear about self-realization.\nSo if you want to maintain the peace and prosperity of the whole worldly social order, you must create a class of men very intelligent, a class of men very expert in administration, a class of men very expert in production and a class of men to work. That is required. You cannot avoid it. That is the Vedic conception. Mukha-bāhūru-padebhyaḥ. They say, mukha... Mukha means this face. Bahu means the arm. Uru means this, this, on our waist. And pada.\nSo anywhere, either you take this state or that state—doesn't matter—unless there is a smooth, systematic establishment of these four orders of life, the state or the society will not go very smoothly.",
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"content": "\n Generally it seems to me that this old varṇāśrama system to some extent practiced the nature of division of labor in ancient society. So now division of labor among people in any society is much more complicated and sophisticated. So it would be very...",
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"content": "\n ...conditionally[?] to group them in four classes, because...",
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"content": "\n The, the confusion, confusion has come into existence because in India, in later days, the son of a brāhmaṇa, without having the brahminical qualification, claimed to be brāhmaṇa, and others, out of superstition or traditional way, they were accepted as brāhmaṇa. Therefore the Indian social order has disrupted. But our this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, we are picking up from everywhere brāhmaṇas—everywhere—because the world needs the brain of a brāhmaṇa.\nJust like Mahārāja Parīkṣit, although he was a monarch, he had a body of learned sages and brāhmaṇas to consult—advisory body. It is not that the monarchs were independent. In the history it is found that some of the monarchs were not in order. They were dethroned by the brahminical advisory committee. Although the brāhmaṇas, they did not take part in politics, but they would give advice to the monarch how to, I mean to say, execute the royal function. Just like not..., not very old, very, say, about... What is the age of, I mean to say, Ashoka? Say about thousands of years ago.",
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"content": "\n As we call from our... In our terminology we call in ancient and medieval India...",
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"content": "\n Ancient and medieval India, and old and feudal India, you are right, this was very often. And from brāhmaṇa, brāhmaṇas, from brāhmaṇas the major part of height is religious stuff, in religious departments. Even Mogul emperors, there were brāhmaṇas who advised [indistinct] Mogul emperors...",
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"content": "\n ...in administration...",
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"content": "\n ...and such like.",
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"content": "\n Our predecessor ācārya, Rūpa Gosvāmī, he was finance minister in the Muhammadan government. He was... When he resigned, the Nawab was not very satisfied, that \"I cannot relieve you because you are my right-hand man. If you resign all of a sudden in this way, then I shall arrest you.\" There is a long history. So that's a fact. The brāhmaṇas were kept.\nSo the advisory committee of the king... Now, as I was going to speak, Chandragupta, Chandragupta, just the latest Hindu king, Chandragupta... Chandragupta is the age of Alexander the Great, because at that time, during Chandragupta's..., little before Chandragupta, Alexander the Great from Greece, they went India and conquered some portion. So this Chandragupta, when he became emperor, he had his prime minister, Canakya. Perhaps you heard this name, Canak... Ca-na-kya.",
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"content": "\n Canakya. Oh, yes.",
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"content": "\n Yes. He was a great politician, brāhmaṇa, and under whose name in New Delhi all the foreign embassies, they are flocked together. Yes. It is called Canakya Purī.",
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"content": "\n Hm-hm. Canakya Purī, yes, I know.",
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"content": "\n So this Canakya Paṇḍita was a great politician and brāhmaṇa. And as brāhmaṇa, he was vastly learned. He has got some moral instruction; they're very valuable, still going on. In India schoolchildren are taught. So this Canakya Paṇḍita, although he was prime minister, he maintained his brahminical spirit. He was not accepting any salary, yes, because for brāhmaṇas to accept salary, it is understood that he becomes a dog. That is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavata. He can advise, but he cannot accept. So he was living in a cottage, but he was prime minister.\nSo this brahminical culture, the brahminical brain, is the standard of Vedic civilization. Just like Manu-smṛti. Manu-smṛti... You do not know; you cannot trace out the history, when Manu-smṛti was written. But Manu-smṛti is considered so perfect that it is the Hindu law. The Hindus are governed by Manu-smṛti. There was no need of passing daily a new law by the legislative to adjust this social order. You see? The law given by Manu was so perfect that it can be applicable for all the time. This is perfect. Tri-kāla-jñāḥ. The word is there, tri-kāla-jñāḥ: past, present, future.",
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"content": "\n But... I am sorry to interrupt you, but originally, to my knowledge, original Indian society, when, in the second half of Indian society, when in Calcutta by order of British administration was codified, so-called, you know, remember, \"Jantu Law,\" they called, a big digest of Hindu law, there was a lot of change...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...called in.",
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"content": "\n Yes, they manufactured another...",
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"content": "\n And this, the actual Hindu law which was used by Hindus, they're quite different from original Manu-smṛti.",
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"content": "\n No, they have now made changes. Just like our late Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, he made some Hindu code. He introduced in that Hindu code the right of divorcing, husband and wife. But these were not in Manu-saṁhitā. And, of course, they are changing. If you like, you can change. But the social order also not exactly the same as it was before.",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes.",
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"content": "\n And so many things. So they're changing. But before this modern age, the whole Hindu society was being governed by the Manu-smṛti. Manu-smṛti, yes.",
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"content": "\n Manu-smṛti. Now they are changing so many. They... Strictly speaking, the modern Hindus, they are not strictly according to the Hindu scripture.",
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"content": "\n No. They are not... So our point is, we are not going to bring back the old type of Hindu society. It is not that. Our...",
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"content": "\n It is impossible.",
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"content": "\n It is impossible. Our idea is that best ideas from the original idea. Just like in the Bhāgavata there is a description of communistic idea, and it is being described to Mahārāja Yudhisthira. So if there is something good, good experience, why it should not be adopted? That is our point of view.\nAnd besides that, in the modern civilization they are missing one point: the aim of human life, scientifically. The aim of human life is self-realization, ātmā-tattvam. It is said, parābhavas tāvad abodha-jātaḥ yāvan na jijñāsa ātmā-tattvam [SB 5.5.5]. Unless the human society comes to the point of self-realization, whatever they are doing, they are being defeated, parābhava. I think you know this word, parābhava. Parābhava. Parābhavas tāvad abodha-jātaḥ.\nActually it is happening so. The modern society, human society, there is advancement, economic advancement, so many things, advancement. Still, in the matter of keeping peace and tranquillity there is fight—individually, socially, politically, nationally. So if we think very cool-headed, then in spite of so much improvement in so many branches of knowledge, we are keeping the same mentality of quarreling. That is also visible in lower animal society.\nSo our conclusion, according to Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that this body, human body, it is not meant for working very hard for sense gratification. In the modern civilization the ultimate goal, aim, is sense gratification. That's all. Beyond that, they do not know anything more. They do not know what is next life. There is no department of knowledge or science, scientific department, to study what is there after life, after finishing this body. That is a great, I mean to say, department of knowledge.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that dehino 'smin yathā dehe [Bg. 2.13]. Dehe. Deha means this body. So there is a dehinaḥ who owns the body, dehi. So dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā. The dehi, the owner of the body, is within, and the body's changing from one form to another. The body of a child, baby, a certain type of form, it changes into another type of form when he's child, another type when boy, another type when he's young, another type, he's old. This is going on. But the owner of the body existing. Similarly, when this body will be completely changed, another body he will accept.\nSo people do not understand this. As we are accepting different body even in this present life, from babyhood to childhood, from childhood to boyhood, from boyhood to youthhood... That's a fact. Everyone knows it. I was a child, but that childhood body is no more. I have got a different body. Similarly, what is the difficulty to understand: when this body will be no more, I'll have to accept another body? It is great science.",
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"content": "\n As you know, there is two ultimate, two quite, I mean to say, opposite approaches to this problem. One approach is slightly different by different religions, but in the same time, any religion recognizes in such-or-such form the change...",
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"content": "\n Takes place.",
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"content": "\n Change of place of a spirit.",
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"content": "\n Transmigration.",
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"content": "\n Called transmigration of spirit, etcetera. As in Christian religion and in Buddhism and Hindu religion...",
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"content": "\n No, I'm not talking of religion, beliefs.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes.",
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"content": "\n I'm talking of science and philosophy.",
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"content": "\n If we can... So science and philosophy. But another...",
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"content": "\n One religion may accept; one may... That is not our purpose. We are talking on the point of that if the owner of the body is permanent in spite of different change of the body, then what is the difficulty to understand that when this body will be changed, the owner of the body will have another body?",
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"content": "\n Yes, another approach is that there is no separate own..., there is no separate..., no two phenomena, owner of the body and body.",
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"content": "\n This body and owner of the body is the same.",
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"content": "\n When body dies, this owner also dies.",
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"content": "\n That... Why? Why there is no department of knowledge in the university to study this fact scientifically? That is my proposition.",
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"content": "\n So that means they are lacking. It may be as you say, or it may be as I say, but there must be a department of knowledge, what is the... Now, recently one cardiologist, a doctor, he has accepted that there is soul—in Montreal and Toronto. I had some correspondence with him. And he is strongly in belief that there is soul. So that is another point of view.\nBut we accept knowledge from authority. Authority. Just like this statement is given by Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is accepted as the authority by all the ācāryas, in the Bhagavad-gītā. Bhagavad-gītā is studied amongst the scholarly circle and philosophical circle still, all over the world. And this statement is given by Kṛṣṇa:\ndehino 'smin yathā dehe\nkaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā\ntathā dehāntara-prāptir\ndhīras tatra na muhyati\n[Bg. 2.13]\nSo dehāntaram prāpti... Just like the childhood, now, giving up the childhood body, the soul is coming to the boyhood body; from boyhood, youth..., similarly, the soul, giving up this body, he accepts another body. This statement is given by Kṛṣṇa, the greatest authority according to our tradition of knowledge.",
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"content": "\n Yes, I know.",
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"content": "\n So suppose we accept such statement without any argument. That is the way of Vedic understanding. Vedic understanding means you have to accept whatever is stated in the Vedas without any argument.",
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"content": "\n So forget about Vedas. Our approach is we don't believe in anything without argument. We can believe only on anything based on argument.",
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"content": "\n No, no, that is allowed.",
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"content": "\n ...projecting[?].",
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"content": "\n That is allowed. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena, paripraśnena sevayā [Bg. 4.34]. Paripraṣna, argument, is allowed, but not with a challenging spirit. With a spirit to rightly understand. Praṇipātena paripraśnena. That... Argument is not denied. But so far Vedic statements are there, they are infallible, infallible, and the followers of the Vedas, they accept in that way. For example, just like cow dung.",
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"content": "\n It is the stool of an animal. Now, in the Vedic statement there is: As soon as you touch the stool of any animal, you are impure. You have to purify yourself by taking bath. Even in your own stool... According to Hindu system, if you go to evacuate, after coming you have to take bath.",
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"content": "\n This is quite intact with modern medicine knowledge...",
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"content": "\n ...that you must clean yourself.",
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"content": "\n Yes, that's right.",
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"content": "\n ...this is... But another place it is stated that \"Cow dung, although it is the stool of an animal, it is pure.\" Even if you apply in an impure place, it becomes purified. Now, this is superficially contradictory. In one place it is said that \"The stool of an animal is impure. As soon as you touch, you have to be purified,\" and another place it is said that \"Cow dung is pure.\" So according to our knowledge, this is contradictory.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n But those who are followers of the Vedas, they are accepting. Is it not, cow dung, pure? Cow dung pure, is it not accepted by the followers of Vedas?",
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"content": "\n That is.",
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"content": "\n And if you analyze chemically, you'll find the cow dung contains all antiseptic properties.",
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"content": "\n This I don't know.",
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"content": "\n You do not know, but there is a...",
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"content": "\n I have to test. This I do not know, but...\n Yes, one must try to realize it...",
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"content": "\n Yes, that... That... One Dr. Ghosh, professor of medical college, Lal Mohan Ghosh, he... I was medically connected in my previous life. So that Lal Mohan Ghosh analyzed it, and it is his statement, it is full of, I mean to say, antiseptic properties. So Vedic statements, even sometimes you find it is contradictory, but if you analyze scrutinizingly, you'll find it is correct.",
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"content": "\n But maybe...",
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"content": "\n There may be some exceptions, but, I mean to say, just like the cow dung is stool—this is an exception—but why this exception is accepted: that if you scientifically examine, analyze, you'll find it is correct?",
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"content": "\n That is due to analyze. That's right. That's from common sense point of view.",
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"content": "\n Similarly, another, another instance is there, just like conchshell. Conchshell is the bone of an animal. So according to Vedic instruction, if you touch the bone of an animal, you become impure. You have to take bath. You become impure. But this conchshell is kept in the deity room because it's accepted as pure by the Vedas.\nSo my point is that we accept Vedic laws in such a way, without argument, accept because it is stated in the Veda, and that is the principle followed by scholars. If you can substantiate your statement by quoting from the Vedas, then it is accepted. You do not require to substantiate in other ways if you prove by Vedic quotation. Śruti-pramāṇa. It is called śruti-pramāṇa.\nThere are different kinds of pramāṇa, evidences. Just like in the legal court if you can give quotation from the law books, your statements is accepted, similarly, all statements which you give, if they are supported by śruti-pramāṇa... I think you know, the Vedas are known as Śrutis.",
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"content": "\n Hm-hm.",
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"content": "\n Śruti-smṛti-purāṇadi-pāñcarātriki-vidhiṁ vina [Brs. 1.2.101]. Any system we accept, it must be supported by the evidences of śruti-smṛti-purāṇadi-pāñcarātriki. Aikāntikī harer bhaktir utpātāyai... Anything which is not supported by śruti-smṛti... Just like Manu-smṛti. This is smṛti. And Vedas are śruti. Śruti-smṛti-purāṇadi pāñcarātriki-vi..., aikāntikī harer bhaktir utpātāyaiva kalpate.pramāṇas, then it is disturbance. That is...",
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"content": "\n But I mean to say one thing is, like in Vedas, whatever is written could have been proved like in a scientific way, today... Suppose there is a lab which is scientific. Whatever is said by that lab, that \"This is truth,\" accepted without going to argue to the propriety of it... Suppose you have a scientific knowledge shop or a place, and if this workshop or this scientific institution states, \"This is not good. This is not good,\" a general body accepts, take it for granted, \"Yes, scientific body has said so. It is understood. It's...\"\n Hmm. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Personally he hasn't got to examine, himself. He takes the statement of an authority and believes him.",
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"content": "\n Common person, a common [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n So Vedic authorities, authoritative statement, are accepted by the ācāryas. Just like India is governed by the ācāryas, Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya and Śaṅkarācārya. They accept in that, and the followers accept them. The benefit is that whether cow dung is pure or impure, I do not waste my time, but because it is stated in the Vedas, I take it, so I save my time. Śruti-pramāṇa. In that way there are different statements in the Vedas for sociology and politics and anything, because Vedas means knowledge. Vedas means knowledge. Vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyam [Bg. 15.15]. Vetti veda vido jñāne. Vid-dhātu, when it is used for knowledge, it is called Veda.",
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"content": "\n But today, I think, the scientific knowledge, people will not accept all this, what you are saying only. They would perhaps like to try it once more, and perhaps, after going through the process of examination of theirs, they accept it if it is true.\n Yes, well, right. As I have already said, our approach, the approach of people today, new era of knowledge everywhere in the world...\n Try once more.\n Try once more. You are right. And also nobody would believe in anything without argument.",
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"content": "\n No, arguments are allowed.",
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"content": "\n Yes, arguments. Nobody would believe because it was written in this or other script. Evidence, evidence and evidence has to be given to believe. And may I put one question to you? Have you many branches of your Society everywhere?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Where is your main center, and where are the branches?",
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"content": "\n Main center...",
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"content": "\n Of Kṛṣṇa consciousness Society.",
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"content": "\n Of course, I have got about fifty-five branches.",
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"content": "\n Fifty-five.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So I have made my main center in Los Angeles.",
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"content": "\n Los Angeles?",
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"content": "\n Los Angeles.",
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"content": "\n Because I brought a letter from western Germany, so I had an idea that is probably...",
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"content": "\n No, that is a... That is a branch. There is a branch",
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"content": "\n A branch.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇadāsa. There is a branch. But my headquarter is in Los Angeles. And now, since I came to India, I am trying to make my headquarter in Māyāpur. That's the place, the birthsite, of Lord Caitanya. We have purchased land there.",
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"content": "\n In Māyāpur?",
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"content": "\n Māyāpur. You have heard the name?",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes. Māyāpur is there.",
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"content": "\n You have been in India?",
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"content": "\n Yes, six or seven times.",
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"content": "\n Oh. [laughs]",
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"content": "\n I very well to like it.",
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"content": "\n So you have been in Māyāpur, Lord Caitanya's birth site?",
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"content": "\n No, Māyāpur... It's also called Māyāpuram.",
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"content": "\n Māyāpuram, it is... That is in Madras side.",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes.",
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"content": "\n Mylapuram.",
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"content": "\n There's a Mylapuram, yes.",
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"content": "\n Mylapuram. That is Madras city.",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes, yes.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So where generally you stayed in India?",
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"content": "\n Myself?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Ah, I was run away in many places, I was..., in Delhi, in Delhi, in Rajasthan, in Gujarat, Maharashtra, Bengal, Bihar...",
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"content": "\n In Bengal where you stayed ?",
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"content": "\n In Bengal?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n I was in Calcutta, Shantiniketan...",
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"content": "\n Shantiniketan.",
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"content": "\n ...Shantiniketan and in some town in 24 Parganas, in different small townships and villages also.",
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"content": "\n Yes. I see.",
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"content": "\n Bengal. And by origin you are from...?",
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"content": "\n Calcutta.",
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"content": "\n From Calcutta. Ah, from Calcutta.",
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"content": "\n Yes. My birthplace is in Calcutta, yes.",
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"content": "\n I understand. Yes, unfortunately I haven't been to North Bengal. You have just visited Calcutta.",
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"content": "\n Yes, Calcutta, Bombay and several places. Gorakhpur. Gorakhpur.",
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"content": "\n Oh. It's a very difficult situation in...",
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"content": "\n Calcutta.",
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"content": "\n ...Bengal and Calcutta...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...because of influx of refugees from Bangladesh.",
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"content": "\n Yes. But we had our saṅkīrtana festival for ten days, and people participated very wonderfully. We... Our gathering was not less than thirty thousand people daily, and they are so much interested in hearing about our... Lecture things, we are lecturing from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and Bhagavad-gītā. We are...\nOur preaching method is on the basis of Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. So people are responding from every part of the world, especially these American boys. They are especially interested. And England also, and Germany, and France. From here I shall go to Paris. There we have got center.\n[aside:] What is the name of that place? Paris? Recently they have taken.",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n Recently they have changed the...?",
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"content": "\n Oh. In some suburb, Fontenay Rose, Fontenay aux Roses.\n Ah, near Paris?",
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"content": "\n Yes",
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"content": "\n In Fontainebleau?",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes. They have taken a whole house, nice house. So our process is very simple. We ask our students to refrain from four prohibitive principles: no illi...",
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"content": "\n From? I'm sorry. From? Four?",
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"content": "\n Prohibitive. No illicit sex life, no meat-eating—meat or fish or eggs, no—and no gambling, and no intoxication, including cigarette, tea, coffee. These also we take as intoxicants. So these four principle one has to obey, and let him chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra. And by this process only, you'll find how these boys and girls are improving quickly. Process is very simple.\nBesides that, we have got books, volumes of books, just like Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Bhagavad-gītā. I have given them. Throughout all these years I have written so many books. And they have got ample stock for reading the whole life. We have got four hundred pages, big, big books, about one dozen books: Kṛṣṇa in two parts, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam in six parts, Teachings of Lord Caitanya, one part, Nectar of Devotion, one part.\nIn this way I am... And these are... We are publishing every month one chapter, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, with this detailed information, giving a heading like this, \"The First Step in God-Realization.\" Here is also. The heading is: \"Puruṣa-śukta Continued.\" Puruṣa-śukta is a Vedic stotram.\nSo we are trying to push this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just like in your country there is Lenin consciousness, similarly, it is also a different type of consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa is also historical personality as much as Lenin is also historical personality. So His philosophy... Just like you are trying to understand his philosophy, you are trying to understand Kṛṣṇa's philosophy. In this way this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is going on.",
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"content": "\n And have you many participants...",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes.",
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"content": "\n ...in these fifty-five branches?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes, more than three thousand, three thousand initiated. And outside admirers, there are many. Many. And this means these three thousand who have accepted the principles, just like these boys. So there are fifty-five branches. In each branch we are maintaining twenty-five to hundred students. So just imagine.",
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"content": "\n But does that mean the students, they abstain for normal West European universities their own..., all their... How to explain it? Their... For instance, can a normal student from, for instance, from one of the Paris universities, who is attending lectures in normal way, etc., also be initiated and admitted to your community?",
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"content": "\n No, both ways. Both ways. If you want to be initiated, you are welcome. If not, you come, try to understand our philosophy, read our books. There are so many books, magazines. And question, answer. Try to understand the philosophy. It is not that all of a sudden a student comes and becomes our disciple. No. They first of all come, associate, try to understand. Then... We do not canvass. When he voluntarily says that \"I want to be your...\"",
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"content": "\n No, yes.",
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"content": "\n Yes. There is no canvassing.",
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"content": "\n No, yes. That's what [indistinct]. But what I am most interested in... For instance, not a student but a young worker or a young son of a farmer, he would abstain from his old life and he would be initiated and join your community into a given center. How he would entertain himself...",
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"content": "\n The thing is... I have alre...",
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"content": "\n ...in the sorts of day-to-day life...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...material life?",
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"content": "\n Now, material life, it is...",
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"content": "\n Would he be paid to stay in that center?",
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"content": "\n Yes, I am answering. As I told you that this propaganda is meant for creating some brāhmaṇas all over the world, because the brāhmaṇa element is lacking. So one who seriously comes to us, he has to become a brāhmaṇa. So he has to adopt the occupation of a brāhmaṇa, and he has to give up the occupation of a kṣatriya or a śūdra. But if one wants to keep his profession, at the same time wants to understand also, that is allowed.\nJust like we have many professors. There is Howard Wheeler, professor of Ohio University. He's my disciple. So he is continuing his professorship. But whatever money he's getting, almost he's spending for our this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. For gṛhasthas, those who are householders living outside, they are expected to contribute fifty percent of the income for the Society, twenty-five percent for the family, and twenty-five percent for his personal emergency. After all, in this world, if we live...\nSo far we are concerned, we are sannyāsī, but you are a professor. If there is some emergency, you cannot go to beg. But I am a sannyāsī. I can tell you that I am in difficulty. That is the system. So we have got four orders. Just like he's brahmacārī and he's gṛhastha. He has got his wife, children. So he's a gṛhastha. He's a brahmacārī. Similarly, there is sannyāsī. So that is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's teaching. It doesn't matter whether one is a gṛhastha, householder, or renounced order or a brahmacārī or a brāhmaṇa or śūdra. It doesn't matter. If anyone understands the science of Kṛṣṇa, he becomes the spiritual master. The exact word is, in Bengali, kiba vipra kiba śūdra nyāsi kene nāya... [Cc. Madhya 8.128]. Do you understand little Bengali?",
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"content": "\n No, but...",
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"content": "\n As a vibration...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Yei kṛṣṇa tattva vettha sei guru hāya. Anyone who understands the science of Kṛṣṇa, he can become...",
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"content": "\n Guru.",
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"content": "\n ...the spiritual master.",
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"content": "\n I understand. But in generally, by creating brāhmaṇas from different social classes of society, really you deny the old prescription of Hindu script...",
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"content": "\n No, I establish old, old scrip... I establish.",
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"content": "\n Because according to old script, to Purāṇas, etcetera, every member of one of the four classes, these varṇas...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...is to be born inside it...",
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"content": "\n No, no, no.",
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"content": "\n ...but not appointed.",
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"content": "\n No, no, no, no. No, no, no.",
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"content": "\n This is the major...",
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"content": "\n No, no, that... I am sorry...",
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"content": "\n ...foundation of all the varṇas.",
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"content": "\n You are not speaking correctly. I beg... We beg... With great respect I beg to submit, you are..., that you are not speaking correctly. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is stated, cātur-varṇyaṁ māyā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13]: \"These four orders of brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra is created by Me according to quality and work.\" There is no mention of birth. There is no mention of birth.",
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"content": "\n Yes, I agree with you that this was addition of late brāhmaṇas, who tried to...",
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"content": "\n No, that..., that has killed the Indian culture. You see? Otherwise there was no necessity of division of this Pakistan. Not only that. From history, perhaps you know, this whole planet was Bhārata-varṣa, and it was controlled by one flag up to Mahārāja Parīkṣit. Gradually they separated. Separated. This is the history. And late..., lately they have separated Pakistan. So Bhārata-varṣa is now crippled into a small piece of land. Otherwise this whole... According to our scripture, Vedic scripture, this, this whole planet is called Bhārata-varṣa. Formerly it was named Ilāvṛta-varṣa, but since the Emperor Bharata ruled over this planet, it is called Bhārata-varṣa, from Mahārāja Bharata.\nSo this culture, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, Vedic culture, were existing... Now any religion you take, Christian religion, Muhammadan religion or Buddhist religion, they are, utmost, two thousand, three thousand old, years old. But this Vedic scripture, you cannot trace out where is the beginning, where is the beginning. It is therefore called sanātana, eternal. And this culture is for the whole human society. It is not a departmental religious faith. Religious faith you can change, but real dharma you cannot change.\nJust like... You try to understand. Kṛṣṇa, Bhagavad-gītā, He says:\nyadā yadā hi dharmasya\nglanīr bhavati bhārata\nabhyutthānam adharmasya\ntadātmānaṁ sṛjāmy aham\n[Bg. 4.7]\nparitrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ\nvināśāya ca duṣkṛtaṁ... duṣkṛtaṁ\ndharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya\nyuge yuge sambhavāmi\n[Bg. 4.8]\nNow, Kṛṣṇa came to establish the religious principles, and in the last stage of speaking He says, sarva-dharmān parityajya māmekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. And that is real dharma, mām ek..., to surrender to the Supreme. That is real dharma. We are surrendering. Anyone, just like you or me, anyone, we are surrendering to somebody. That's a fact. Our, our life is by surrender. Is it not? Do you disagree with this point?",
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"content": "\n To some extent you surrender.",
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"content": "\n Yes, to, to the full extent. Just like you...",
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"content": "\n You are required to surrender to the society, for instance, to the whole people.",
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"content": "\n Yes, just... Whole people or the state or the king or the government, whatever you say—this surrender must be there. It may be different.",
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"content": "\n I'm sorry. Only there's a difficulty. We can't agree that you have surrender to government or surrender to a king. There's a principal difference of surrender to a king, to a person, or surrender to a society.",
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"content": "\n No, that is... That is a change of color only. But the surrender is there. The principle of surrender is there. Either you surrender to monarchy, either you surrender to democracy or aristocracy or, what is called, dictatorship, you have to surrender. That's a fact. That's a fact. Without surrendering, our life is... There is no life. That is not possible.\nSo we are educating persons to surrender to the Supreme, wherefrom you get all protection. Just like Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mam ekam śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66], aham tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi. So surrender is there. Nobody can say, \"Now I am not surrendering to anyone.\" There is not a single person. Difference is where he is surrendering. Where he is surrendering.\nThe ultimate surrendering objective is Kṛṣṇa. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 7.19]: \"After surrendering to so many things, birth after birth, when he's actually wise he surrenders unto Me.\" Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ [Bg. 7.19]: \"Such kind of mahātmā is very rare.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. But at the same time, it seems to me that surrender, surrender is to be accompanied with revolt. The history of mankind has proved but by only revolt against some kind of surrender...",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes.",
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"content": "\n ...mankind has been developed from medieval age... Like French Revolution, it was revolt against surrender. But this revolt also was surrender itself to the rank and file of the people. Here I agree.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n But so it is not enough to put a full stop on surrender.",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n Surrender is to be accompanied with revolt against surrender of other kinds.",
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"content": "\n Yes, therefore the surrender will be full stop when the surrender is to Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Ah, ha, ha, yes.",
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"content": "\n That is full stop: no more surrendering.",
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"content": "\n Final surrendering.",
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"content": "\n Other surrender you have to change by revolution, but when you come to Kṛṣṇa, then it is sufficient. You are satisfied. Just like... I'll give you one example, that a child is crying, and people changing laps: \"Oh, you are crying.\" It is not stopping. But as soon as the small baby comes to the lap of his mother, he stops: \"Yes, full satisfied.\"",
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"content": "\n Final satisfaction of...",
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"content": "\n So these changes, this surrendering, will go on in different categories. Actually all the surrenders, sum total is surrender to māyā. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, daivī hy eṣā guṇamayi mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14]. So this surrender is going on, going on. It is the māyā's, māyāra vaibhava, paraphernalia of māyā, either you surrender to this or to that. But final surrender: mām eva ye prapadyante, māyām etāṁ taranti te—the final surrender to Kṛṣṇa. Then he is happy. Surrender will stay. His process of surrender is there, but this surrender keeps him quite satisfied, transcendental.",
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"content": "\n Yes. And haven't you come across some hostile attitude to your teaching from orthodox Hindu, from orthodox brāhmaṇas in India itself?",
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"content": "\n But rather, we have subdued them.",
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"content": "\n Ah, yes.",
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"content": "\n Because we are... Any orthodox Hindu may come, but we have got our weapons, Vedic evidences. So nobody has come. But even Christian priest... Even Christian priests in America, they love me. They say that \"These boys, our boys... They are Americans. They are Christians. They are Jews. And these boys are so much after God, and we could not deliver them?\" They're admitting. Their fathers, their parents, come to me. They also flatly offer their obeisances and say, \"Swāmījī, it is our great fortune that you have come. You are teaching God consciousness.\"\nSo on the contrary; I have got reception from other countries. And India also, as you inquired of India, all other sects, they're admitting that before me, many hundreds of svāmīs went there, but they could not convert to Kṛṣṇa consciousness a single person. They are admiring that.\nAnd so far I am concerned, I don't take any credit, but I am confident that because I am presenting the Vedic knowledge as it is, without any adulteration, it is being effective. That is my contribution. Just like if you have got a right medicine and if you administer to a patient, you must be sure that he'll be cured.",
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"content": "\n And how many disciples you have in India itself? From three thousand, how many members of your community you have in India itself?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n And India, there are many Kṛṣṇa conscious persons, hundred thousands, millions. India, there is no question. There is not a single Hindu who is not Kṛṣṇa conscious.",
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"content": "\n Yes, I understand, but this, especially, specifically...",
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"content": "\n Vaiṣṇava. This is called Vaiṣṇava cult. The Vaiṣṇavas, as far as you know—you have been in India—there are many millions of Vaiṣṇavas.",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. Quite right.",
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"content": "\n Many millions of Vaiṣṇavas and... Just like this gentleman, he is a commander of the Air, India Air Lines. So he's not my disciple, but he's a Vaiṣṇava, Kṛṣṇa conscious. Similarly, in India millions and trillions there are, Kṛṣṇa conscious persons. And practically there is not a single... Even there are Muhammadan Kṛṣṇa conscious. In Allahabad University there is a Muhammadan professor, he's a great devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa.\nSo this is natural. It is said in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta that Kṛṣṇa consciousness is everywhere, in everyone's heart. It has to be awakened only by this process. That's all. It is there in your heart also. It is not that it is foreign to you. It is not that. Everyone's heart, there is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. By this process we have to awaken that. Śravaṇādi śuddha citte karaye udaya [Cc. Madhya 22.107]. Udaya. You know this word udaya. Just like sun rises. It is not that sun all of a sudden comes from somewhere. It is there, but it rises in the morning. Similarly, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness is everywhere, but some way or other, it is now covered. By this process it is awakened and aroused, by association.",
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"content": "\n You came yesterday to Moscow?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Have you seen something here in Moscow?",
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"content": "\n No? Not much?",
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"content": "\n I am not very much interested for sightseeing.",
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"content": "\n But in any case, if you have come, you ought to go somewhere and to see something.",
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"content": "\n I'm not...",
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"content": "\n 'Cause to stay in a hotel, old-style hotel like National, is not interesting. Not many people to see. And you are leaving day after tomorrow?",
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"content": "\n That is my program. Day after tomorrow.",
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"content": "\n From here you are going to...?",
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"content": "\n Day after tomorrow or...?",
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"content": "\n Wednesday.\n Today is 22nd. We leave 25th, morning.\n Twenty-fifth.\n Morning.\n And you are leaving for United States or for Europe?",
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"content": "\n Yes, for Europe.",
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"content": "\n For Europe.\nParis.\nAh, for Paris.",
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"content": "\n Paris. And we have got our two ceremonies, very big ceremonies, in London and San Francisco, Ratha-yātrā, car festival. And, it is estimated, fifty thousand people are going to participate in the ceremony, both in London and San Francisco. We are making arrangement, car festival. This car festival is observed in Jagannātha Purī. You have been in Jagannātha Purī?",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n From immemorial time, this festival...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Very, very old...",
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"content": "\n ...Hindu tradition of this car festival.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Huge car.",
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"content": "\n Huge car.",
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"content": "\n Very well cars...",
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"content": "\n ...that car, very interesting piece of car.",
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"content": "\n That has been introduced in the Western countries, in London and San Francisco. And gradually, maybe, we will introduce in other countries also.",
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"content": "\n In London, among Indian community...",
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"content": "\n No, no.",
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"content": "\n ...and also, these people are [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n This is organized by the Englishmen and the Americans. Indian communities in London and San Francisco, they are trying to become sahab. You know the word sahab?",
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"content": "\n [laughs] Westernized.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Westernized.",
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"content": "\n Modern process of Westernization is going on in the world. But Professor Srinivas...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...with the very grace[?] of some anthropologists of the University...",
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"content": "\n I agree with him that a very interesting... Two processes: the process of Westernization among brāhmaṇa mainly and upper castes, and so-called Sanskritization he calls the process of adopting some brāhmaṇa rituals, etcetera., by so-called low caste, even untouchables. Very interesting processes in India just now.",
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"content": "\n Now one thing... The other day I was speaking to some... Where I was? In Bombay, I think. I was speaking some respectable gentlemen that \"Kṛṣṇa says:\nmāṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya\nye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ\nstriyo vaiśyās tathā śūdrās\nte 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim\n[Bg. 9.32]\nKṛṣṇa says, 'Even those who are low-born, pāpa-yoni—the striya, vaiśya and śūdra, they are also included—but by accepting Me, accepting my shelter, they are also elevated to the transcendental position.' Now, why the higher class of Hindu society, they neglected this injunction of Bhagavad-gītā? Suppose one is pāpa-yoni. Kṛṣṇa says that 'They can be elevated to the transcendental position if they accept Me.'\nWhy this propaganda was not done by the higher class people, so that the so-called pāpa-yoni could be elevated? Why you rejected? The result was that the Muhammadans... Instead of accepting them, you rejected them, and they have partitioned, and they have gone away, and they have become eternal enemy of India.\" You see?\nSo this is the first time that we are trying to elevate to the highest position of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, even one is in the pāpa-yoni. It doesn't matter. Because soul is pure. Asaṅgo 'yaṁ puruṣaḥ. The Vedas says, \"The soul is untouched by any material contamination.\" Simply, temporarily, he is covered. This covering should be opened. Then he becomes pure. That is the mission of human life, to uncover ourselves from this material envelopment and come to the spiritual understanding, surrender to Kṛṣṇa—life is perfect. [break]",
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"content": "\n Thank you for taking interest in so many... Unfortunately I am leaving early tomorrow morning, quite early, to the south, seven days, and I won't be able to help you. But probably through your embassy you can meet some people from our...",
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"content": "\n No, I am not interested. I came to see you especially...",
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"content": "\n Some people from Christian Orthodox Church may be interested to have some discussion.",
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"content": "\n So if there is some discussion, I am prepared. It is, after all, for the whole human society, and it is being practically appreciated. So if there is possibility, I am..., for two days I can meet some gentlemen. I can meet.",
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"content": "\n Well, if you can ask Mr. Natarajan from embassy to perform...",
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"content": "\n No, not, not in that way. If some of your assistant does it, then it is all right, because, to tell you frankly, so far our Indian government is concerned, they are not very much interested with this movement. Yes. Their program is different.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Yes, of course, Indian government program is more and more secular in general ideology, Westernized.",
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"content": "\n But of course, people are not very happy there. One gentleman, he's in government service. I am speaking, in 19..., sometimes, 1950. He was in statistics department, Mr. Dal, Kashmiri gentleman. He was coming to me in Allahabad. He told me that \"I went... I go to the villages, and the villagers say, 'Bābuji, angrej ko bahut [indistinct]?' \" That was his statement.",
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"content": "\n People...\n Yeah, because every..., there are some kind of people in some administrative departments who...",
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"content": "\n No, the difficulty is...",
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"content": "\n ...are both masters[?] and ex-British officers.",
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"content": "\n ... the difficulty, that India is nowhere. They are trying to imitate, Westernize, but they are hundred years back. From materialistic point of view, technological point of view, they are hundred years back.",
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"content": "\n Yes, that's right. But what to do for India?",
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"content": "\n No. That not...",
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"content": "\n To improve the condition of life, to be Westernized, is the major problem.",
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"content": "\n That... But there is one thing that I am experiencing. India's the spiritual asset, if that is distributed, that will increase India's honor. That is my view... Because everywhere I go, still people adore India's spiritual culture. They are after India. And if they are properly distributed, this treasure house of Indian spiritual knowledge, then at least people outside India, they'll think that \"We are getting something from India.\"",
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"content": "\n Oh, you are right in this sense to my mind, that the Indian culture of heritage is to be made known everywhere. That's right. But from the..., in the same time, in what way this would benefit Indian training masters[?] themselves? Because they are sitting in India...",
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"content": "\n No, India...",
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"content": "\n ...and they have nothing from spreading of Indian cultural heritage and etcetera over the world. Indian villagers have to have fertilizers, tractors, etcetera.",
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"content": "\n We do not object to that. There is no objection.",
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"content": "\n Yes, I don't think that you object.",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n But at the same time, something has to be done in India itself. In what lines, if you... One may call it Westernization from this introduction of technical revolution in all spheres of Indian life, in agriculture, industry, etcetera...",
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"content": "\n Now, this picture... This is Viṣvarūpa. It was shown to Arjuna. Now, Arjuna, before understanding Bhagavad-gītā, was a fighter, warrior. And after understanding Bhagavad-gītā, he remained a fighter. So we don't want to change the position. Just like you are a respectable professor, teacher. We don't say that you change your position. We have come to convince you about our philosophy. That's all.\nSo just like the same example: Arjuna, he was denying to fight: \"Kṛṣṇa, I do not like to kill my relatives. I don't want this kingdom.\" But he was taught Bhagavad-gītā. And at the end, when Kṛṣṇa inquired, \"What is your decision now?\" he said, kariṣye vacanaṁ tava [Bg. 18.73]: \"Yes, I shall act accordingly, as You say.\" That means his consciousness was changed. He remained a fighter. He was a fighter, he remained a fighter, but he changed his consciousness.\nWe want that. We don't want to disturb the present condition of the society. No. But we try to make them understand that \"There is a great necessity of you to understand this consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" That is our goal.",
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"content": "\n But at the same time, the final goal of any consciousness is to change society...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...to make a better society. That...",
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"content": "\n That is automatically...",
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"content": "\n I am not very so happy to hear that your ultimate goal is not to disturb society as such, because in modern society there are many things to be changed...",
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"content": "\n That...",
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"content": "\n ...through some consciousness.",
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"content": "\n That preliminary changes... Just like we prohibit, \"Don't take intoxicants.\"",
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"content": "\n To change... Not to change culture. Intoxication is not [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n So if he becomes..., if he takes to these processes, then automatically...",
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"content": "\n Transformation will take place automatically.",
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"content": "\n ...his whole life is changed. Yes. Because these four things—illicit sex life, intoxication, meat-eating and gambling—they are very great impediments for social improvement.",
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"content": "\n And that will automatically make his life simpler, because a person who is not indulging in illicit sex life or intoxication and other things has to live a comparatively simpler life.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n That's right. One will live much simpler life, agreed. But at the same time, would it change some complex things...?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. Oh, yes.",
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"content": "\n No, no, it won't change the complex for simple reason that a person who's not indulging in this one and he's conscious, he'll be also conscious to work hard competitively when he is quite sure that he cannot rob somebody if he wants his food, and he can't rob it.\n But if you would..., will have many, even many followers, how far this adaption of Kṛṣṇa consciousness by many Americans boy would affect the politics of their attitude, for instance, to such a bearing problem of America as Vietnam War?\n Correct. They'll never be the one who will ever advocate any war, because they know this war itself is a wrong thing.",
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"content": "\n No, no. We don't say \"Avoid war.\" But unnecessary war is avoided. Just like Kṛṣṇa induced Arjuna to fight. It was necessary. It was necessary.",
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"content": "\n To get rid of extra evil.",
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"content": "\n It was necessary. So nothing is avoided, but everything is utilized for proper purpose. Nothing is rejected. Nirbandhe kṛṣṇa-sambandhe [Brs. 1.2.255]. This is fact, that Kṛṣṇa never advocated that \"Let there be stop of war.\" No. When there is necessity, absolute necessity, there may be war, but for their good purpose, not by the whims of the politicians. No.",
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"content": "\n Hm-hm. That's right. So...",
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"content": "\n So if you can arrange for some program, it is all right. There are... It is all right.",
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"content": "\n Is there any possibility Swāmījī could lecture at the Institute itself in the next day or two?\n I don't think, because, you know, now it is vacation time. [break]",
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"content": "\n \"...Vedic Concept of Communism,\" \"Knowledge by Authorized Tradition,\" and what was the other?",
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"content": "\n \"Scientific Values of...\"",
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"content": "\n \"Scientific Classless Society.\" This subject matter I wanted...",
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"content": "\n Have you put into writing these three subjects somewhere?",
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"content": "\n I asked... Because I could not contact him, therefore I asked the Ambassador. But unfortunately they say that \"We did not receive any letter like that.\" So you can note down if you like.",
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"content": "\n Yes, it is interesting to read also your text of your lectures. But it is not here? It is...? Kṛṣṇa Consciousness...",
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"content": "\n No, it is Easy Journey to Other Planets. No? No, what is this? Kṛṣṇa Consciousness, the Topmost Yoga System.",
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"content": "\n See, the Swāmījī is only going to be here two more days, so if there's any possibility, people can take advantage to have him speak in public or in groups. Do you think it's possible?\n It's... It's... I can't help, because I am leaving tomorrow very early for the south, and I shall be here only on the first of July. Yes. So from this point it will be difficult, yes. Probably... My advice would be through an ambassador you can come in contact with this, our religious organization.\nThat would be very interesting to have some lecture in group, lecture in group, and some discussion of all this. That would be... That would be good possible, a little. So he can come back if... I would stay tomorrow, but I can't manage it myself, but..., as I am leaving at six, leaving, plane is leaving at 8:15 tomorrow morning.",
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"content": "\n You mean to say that some ambassador's men should see?",
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"content": "\n Yes. It seems to me that your Ambassador's men can come in contact with special..., our religious organizations and can organize for you both meetings and conferences, etcetera. There's no difficulty for some men. That summit could be interesting.",
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"content": "\n So you can say. We shall arrange.",
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"content": "\n Hm-hm. That you can. That you can... [end",
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"content": "\n [introducing recording] The following lecture is recorded at the Sanātana-dharma Dharmshala, December 21th, 1970.",
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"content": "\n When previously we discussed about this Prahlāda Mahārāja's prayers… Perhaps you may all remember. Anyway, Prahlāda Mahārāja, when Lord Nṛsiṁhadeva was appeared..., appearing very much angry, so nobody could go forward before Him to pacify Him. Therefore Lord Brahmā requested Prahlāda Mahārāja that \"You go forward and pacify the Lord.\"\nSo because he was born of an āsura, demon, family, he thought that \"When all these demigods could not pacify the Lord, what I can do? I am born of a father who is completely demon, in the modes of darkness.\" Demons are… There are three modes of material nature. Those who are demigods, they are in the modes of goodness, and those who are demons, they are partly in the modes of passion and partly in the modes of ignorance.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja said that ugra-jāteḥ [SB 7.9.8]:\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja prayed: How is it possible for me, who have been born in a family of asuras, to offer suitable prayers to satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead? Even until now, all the demigods, headed by Lord Brahmā, and all the saintly persons could not satisfy the Lord by streams of excellent words, although such persons are very qualified, being in the mode of goodness. Then what is to be said of me? I am not at all qualified.]\n\"I am born of a father who was too much passionate. So my body is made up of the modes of passion. When the persons whose bodies are in the modes of goodness could not pacify the Lord, then what can I do? My body is made of passion.\" So in other words, it is to be understood so long one is in the modes of passion and ignorance, he cannot understand about the Absolute Truth.\nTherefore it is necessary to bring one on the platform of goodness. Therefore there are so many restriction just to bring one from the lowest platform to the upper platform—at least to the material world—goodness. Of course, those who are Vaiṣṇavas, they are above all these platforms. Their platform is sattvaṁ viśuddhaṁ vasudeva-śabditaṁ [SB 4.3.23].\n[I am always engaged in offering obeisances to Lord Vāsudeva in pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is always pure consciousness, in which the Supreme Personality of Godhead, known as Vāsudeva, is revealed without any covering.]\nTheir platform is vasudeva. Vasudeva means the transcendental platform.\nSo he was thinking like that, but actually his position was transcendental, because he was devotee of the Lord. That is the significance here. Though even Lord Brahmā, who is considered to be the most exalted person in the modes of goodness, he could not pacify, and he requested Prahlāda Mahārāja, although he was a five-years-old boy and born of a demon family. So he was requested that \"You can pacify.\"\nThis is very significant. So Prahlāda Mahārāja could understand it that \"Lord Brahmā is requesting me to pacify the Lord not because materially I am elevated than Lord Brahmā, but some way or other, because I have come to the spiritual platform in the devotional service, therefore Lord Brahmā is giving me preference.\"\nThis is the point to be understood. Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is being pushed in the Western countries, where the modes of passion and ignorance is very prominent. But this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement does not depend on these material modes of nature. It is above. It is without any impediment, without any stumbling block offered by the material causes. Ahaituky apratihatā [SB 1.2.6].\n[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]\nThis movement cannot be checked by the material modes of nature. This is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā also. Lord says, Kṛṣṇa,\nmāṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya\nye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ\n[Bg. 9.32]\n[O son of Pṛthā, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth—women, vaiśyas [merchants], as well as śūdras [workers]—can approach the supreme destination.]\nPāpa-yoni. Pāpa-yoni means sinful species of life, or born in the family which is not very pious, pāpa-yoni. Or pāpa-yoni means lower species of life. So the demonic life is pāpa-yoni. Demonic life is obtained due to sinful activities.\n[aside:] Come on.\nThat is also explained in the Bhagavad-gītā:\ntān ahaṁ dviṣataḥ krūrān\nkṣipāmy ajasram eva yoniṣu\n[Bg. 16.19]\n[Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, are cast by Me into the ocean of material existence, into various demoniac species of life.]\nLord Kṛṣṇa says, \"Those who are envious of Me, I put them into the āsurī yoni.\"\nSo on the whole it is to be understood that those who are devotees, they, even born of pāpa-yoni, impious family, still bhagavad-bhakti, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is not impossible for them. That is being described herein by Prahlāda Mahārāja. He is himself…\n[aside:] Not like that. Here. Here.\n…he himself giving evidence that \"Because Brahmā is pushing forward me to pacify the Lord, then the meaning is different. Because from material point of view I cannot pacify the Lord. I am born of demon father, and Brahmā is on the highest platform of material goodness. So why he is pushing me?\" He could understand that \"The only qualification I can see, that I have got implicit faith in the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\"\nTherefore he says,\nmanye dhanābhijana-rūpa-tapaḥ-śrutaujas-\ntejaḥ-prabhāva-bala-pauruṣa-buddhi-yogāḥ\nnārādhanāya hi bhavanti parasya puṁso\nbhaktyā tutoṣa bhagavān gaja-yūtha-pāya\n[SB 7.9.9]\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja continued: One may possess wealth, an aristocratic family, beauty, austerity, education, sensory expertise, luster, influence, physical strength, diligence, intelligence and mystic yogic power, but I think that even by all these qualifications one cannot satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead. However, one can satisfy the Lord simply by devotional service. Gajendra did this, and thus the Lord was satisfied with him.]\nSo material wealth, dhana… Dhana means wealth, and jana, jana means manpower. So manye dhanābhijana, these are material acquisition: wealth, manpower; manye dhanābhijana-rūpa, beauty; tapaḥ... These are third-class acquisition—dhana, jana, tapa, er, rūpa, means wealth, manpower and beauty. But first-class acquisition is tapa, tapasya.\nTapa means by austerity getting power. Whatever they say that will happen, that is called tapasya. That does not depend… A wealthy man cannot say anything which will surely happen, but a person who is rich in tapasya, austerity, if he says something, it will…, it is to be happen.\nJust like Mahārāja Parīkṣit, he was king, he was very pious king, and he was cursed by a brāhmaṇa boy: \"You have insulted my father, so within seven days you will meet your death.\" So that was powerful tapa. The brāhmaṇas were so powerful in their tapasya, austerity, that whatever they would say… He was not even a complete brāhmaṇa; he was born of a brāhmaṇa father, although he was initiated.\nStill, just see how much powerful was the brāhmaṇas that even a boy of ten or twelve years old, he cursed a great king. And who was that king? Who was protected by Kṛṣṇa Himself. He was a great devotee also; so still he was cursed, and he had to meet his death within seven days. This is called tapasya.\n[aside:] Oh, don't allow to touch.\nManye dhana, jana, tapaḥ and śrutauja. Śrutauja. Śruta means education; especially śruta means Vedic education, to be very learned in Vedānta, in Upaniṣad and Vedic ritualistic performances, so many things. So by dint of all these things, if you have got money, you can do something wonderful. If you have got manpower, you can do something wonderful.\nIf you have got beauty, you can do something wonderful. Sometimes in the history of the world we see that a great hero was conquered by beauty. That in the history, you know, what is that? Cleopatra? Caesar and Cleopatra. So? Beauty has got so power that the greatest conqueror was conquered by a beautiful woman.\nSo these are… As one has got power of money, one has got power of manpower, similarly beauty has also got power. He is analyzing, manye dhanābhijana-rūpa. And similarly austerity, tapasya. Just like that boy, that brāhmaṇa boy, he was powerful by tapasya, by austerity.\nHis father was engaged in austerity, and because he born of such powerful father, he had also the power, austerity, and śrutaujas. Śrutauja means \"by education.\" If one man is educated, highly educated, talented scholar, he has got power.\nSo by all this power… What is the meaning of this power? The power means that you can get... Tejaḥ-prabhāva-bala-pauruṣa-buddhi-yogāḥ [SB 7.9.9]. If you have got power… Suppose if you have got money, you can purchase high intelligence. Suppose if you want to start some business or some industry, it doesn't require…, you do not require to become yourself very talented technologist to start some industry. You pay somebody.\nThere are many technologists, they will come and help you. So by the power of money you can purchase strength and prabhāva, influence. And pauruṣa—pauruṣa means name, good name. Just like in your country Mr. Henry Ford is known as a very powerful businessman. That is called pauruṣa. So one side, to get such thing as wealth, manpower, beauty, austerity, education, and out of that you get strength, name, fame—everything. But these are all material acquisition.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja is saying that Brahmā has got all these qualifications in one person. He has got everything. Therefore as he could not pacify the Lord, as such, all these material qualification is useless for pacifying or for pleasing the Lord. We must remember this, that Kṛṣṇa, or the Supreme Lord, cannot be satisfied by all these acquisitions. This is Prahlāda Mahārāja. He is considered one of the authorities in this line. So he says that these acquisition are not the causes for satisfying the Lord.\nWe want to satisfy the Lord. That is our… Kṛṣṇa conscious movement means our life is dedicated how to please the Lord. So Prahlāda Mahārāja says that material acquisition cannot please the Lord. Simply devotional service. \"Because I have been engaged to please the Lord, that means I have no material acquisition.\" That too will also be explained. Material acquisition his father had, but that was finished within a second. So material acquisition has no value for spiritual profit. That is being explained by Prahlāda Mahārāja.\nBhaktyā tutoṣa bhagavān gaja-yūtha-pāya [SB 7.9.9]. So gaja-yūtha-pāya. There was one elephant, he was in danger. He was not even a demigod or brāhmaṇa or learned, but still, he could satisfy the Supreme Lord Viṣṇu by his devotional service, and he was saved. That example is given.\nThen he says,\nviprād dvi-ṣaḍ-guṇa-yutād aravinda-nābha-\npādāravinda-vimukhāt śvapacaṁ variṣṭham\nmanye tad-arpita-mano-vacanehitārtha-\nprāṇaṁ punāti sa kulaṁ na tu bhūrimānaḥ\n[SB 7.9.10]\n[If a brāhmaṇa has all twelve of the brahminical qualifications [as they are stated in the book called Sanat-sujāta] but is not a devotee and is averse to the lotus feet of the Lord, he is certainly lower than a devotee who is a dog-eater but who has dedicated everything—mind, words, activities, wealth and life—to the Supreme Lord. Such a devotee is better than such a brāhmaṇa because the devotee can purify his whole family, whereas the so-called brāhmaṇa in a position of false prestige cannot purify even himself.]\nTherefore for devotional service nobody should be anxious to get some material power. Rather, we should be always anxious to acquire how we can advance our anxiety, our eagerness, to serve the Lord. Just the other day I explained the Rūpa Gosvāmī śloka, verse, that the…, to purchase these feelings of devotional service, the attitude of devotional service, is to become too much eager how I shall be able to serve the Lord. That is the only price; not this material acquisition.\nPrahlāda Mahārāja further explains that viprād dvi-ṣaḍ-guṇa-yutād [SB 7.9.10]. Vipra, vipra means those who are advancing to be brāhmaṇa. The intermediate stage before becoming a brāhmaṇa is called a vipra. Just like before becoming a graduate one is called undergraduate. One who has passed the school leaving examination but has not got the degree, but passed another examination, in India that is called I.A., Intermediate Art. Is such examination in this country, inbetween the graduate and school leaving?",
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"content": "\n So in India there is such examination. We had to pass first matriculation, then I.A., then B.A., so..., then M.A. So intermediate stage... To be brāhmaṇa means spiritually graduate, and vipra means spiritually intermediate, and initiation means spiritually he is school leaving certificate, and to become a Vaiṣṇava means to pass M.A. examination in spiritual science. These are the different stages.\nSo here it is stated, viprād dvi-ṣaḍ yutād, how one can become a vipra. The first stage is śūdra. Śūdra means almost animal life—no cleanliness, no hygienic principle, simply working for living. No other ambition, no spiritual education, but some way or other filling our life. Just like animals, they become dependent on somebody. Whatever he likes, he can do on that animal.\nŚūdra is not so dependent, but actually they are dependent. Just like in you country the Negroes were slaves, but fortunately they have been made free. Actually, they were being treated just like animals. So śūdra life means completely dependent on the other three higher class.\nSo everyone is born śūdra. Just like this child. This child is dependent completely. Just like animal is dependent, the child is also dependent. So they say, Vedic learned scholars, they say janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ. [Prema-vivarta]\n[In every birth you’ll get a father and a mother. But in every birth you cannot get Kṛṣṇa or a bona fide spiritual master.]\nEveryone is born a śūdra, completely dependent. Saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ: but when he is initiated by purificatory processes, he is called twice-born. This initiation process means he surpasses the ordinary birth.\nOrdinary birth is made by the father and the mother. That father and mother is there even in animal life. So to take birth from father and mother is not very important. Anyone, janame janame sabe pitā mātā pāya, in any birth, it doesn't matter human being, even in animal life or any life, there must be one father and mother.\nSo that birth is not very important. Janmanā jāyate. Therefore by birth by the father and mother, everyone is śūdra. But if he is purified, if he gets association of a spiritual master, if he approaches… For second birth one has to approach the spiritual master, the bona fide spiritual master. That was the system. The one… That is the injunction:\ntasmād guruṁ prapadyeta\njijñāsuḥśreya uttamam\n[SB 11.3.21]\n[Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.]\nOne… Everyone is born śūdra, in the lowest status of life, but some way or the other if he becomes inquisitive, that \"I want to know what is spiritual life, what is God, what is my relation with Him,\" if one becomes jijñāsuḥ—jijñāsuḥ means śreya, I, er…, \"inquirer.\" What kind of inquirer? Śreya uttama—the highest perfection of life. If he is inquisitive, that \"What is the value of life?\" then the Vedic literatures asking, tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12]: then you must search out a bona fide spiritual master.\n[To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.]\nThat is his business. If you want to…, if anyone wants to satisfy his enquiries about higher transcendental subject matter, then this cannot be automatically achieved or performed. He must find out a spiritual master. That is the way.\nSo janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ saṁskārād hi bhaved dvijaḥ. \n[By birth everyone is a śūdra, but by undergoing the purificatory ceremonies under the direction of a bona fide spiritual master, one may become a brāhmaṇa, and when one knows the Supreme Spirit, he actually becomes a truly learned brāhmaṇa.]\nSaṁskārād, by purificatory process. Just like you going..., we are pointing out, \"Don't do this; do this,\" \"Don't do this; do this.\" These are all purificatory processes. Without being pure, you cannot approach the supreme pure. Kṛṣṇa is supreme pure. It is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā,\nparaṁ brahmā paraṁ dhāma\npavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān\n[Bg. 10.12]\n[Arjuna said: You are the Supreme Brahman, the ultimate, the supreme abode and purifier, the Absolute Truth and the eternal divine person. You are the primal God, transcendental and original, and You are the unborn and all-pervading beauty. All the great sages such as Nārada, Asita, Devala, and Vyāsa proclaim this of You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me.]\nPavitraṁ means purest. So if we want to approach Kṛṣṇa, then we must observe the purificatory process. Being impure, we cannot touch even Kṛṣṇa. That is not possible. If we want… Therefore Lord Caitanya has made it easy. Because it is very difficult for persons in this age to follow the..., strictly, the purificatory process, He has given this chanting process that will make automatically pure, purificatory. Otherwise there are two ways of spiritual advancement: one is called pāñcarātriki viddhi; another is called bhāgavata-viddhi.\nYou have seen that cakra of our Gauḍīya Mission? You remember, Rāmadāsa? So one side is called… Caitanya Mahāprabhu is in the middle, and one side is bhāgavata side, another side is pāñcarātriki side. So pāñcarātriki side is Lakṣmī-Nārāyaṇa sitting on the throne, and bhāgavata side is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa.\nSo bhāgavata side is very difficult. Unless one is purified from the pāñcarātriki side, it is very difficult to go to the bhāgavata side. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu has given this simple process: chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, kīrtana, and hearing the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. And pursuant to these two principles one can install Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Deity and serving.\nFive things: vaiṣṇava-sevā, to serve the Vaiṣṇava pure devotee; and to hear; chanting; and to worship the Deity; and to hear Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, chanting. Chanting is kīrtana, and hearing Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Hearing and chanting and serving and worshiping, and if possible to live in a sacred place like Vṛndāvana and Mathurā. These five things are recommended by Lord Caitanya for quick advancement of spiritual life, very quick.\nSo the vipra stage…, we are talking of how to come to the vipra stage. The first stage, everyone is on the śūdra platform. Then by purificatory process, by understanding of this Vedic knowledge, janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ, that by initiation he is twice-born... First born father and mother, and next birth is the father is the spiritual master and mother is the scripture. That means the…, as materially the father agitates the mother and the body is formed, similarly, spiritually, the spiritual master agitates the mother of Vedic knowledge, and the spiritual body is formed. This is called dvijaḥ.\nAnd the sacred thread means that one, he…, one who has attained the second birth, saṁskārād dhi bhaved. And after becoming dvijaḥ, initiation, it does not mean that you are perfect. Perfection is not… That means you are accepted. Now you have to make yourself advanced by understanding Vedic…, veda-pāṭhād bhaved vipraḥ, vedaiś ca sarvair. \nVeda-pāṭhād means to understand Kṛṣṇa. Vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyo [Bg. 15.15].\n[I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas am I to be known; indeed I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.]\nBecause Vedic knowledge means to understand Kṛṣṇa. The more you understand Kṛṣṇa, then you will become vipra. And when you become vipra, then there are twelve qualifications. That is being stated here—viprād dvi-ṣaḍ-guṇa-yutād aravinda-nābha [SB 7.9.10].\n[If a brāhmaṇa has all twelve of the brahminical qualifications [as they are stated in the book called Sanat-sujāta] but is not a devotee and is averse to the lotus feet of the Lord, he is certainly lower than a devotee who is a dog-eater but who has dedicated everything—mind, words, activities, wealth and life—to the Supreme Lord. Such a devotee is better than such a brāhmaṇa because the devotee can purify his whole family, whereas the so-called brāhmaṇa in a position of false prestige cannot purify even himself.]\nTwelve items, just like controlling the senses, subduing the mind, subduing the tongue—sāma, dama, titikṣā—to be tolerant, then simplicity, then full faith in the scriptures, knowledge, understanding Kṛṣṇa. In this way there are twelve qualification.\nSo Mahārāja Prahlāda, Prahlāda Mahārāja says that even one is qualified with these twelve qualification and has attained the stage of vipra, still, if he has not attained devotional service, then it is useless. Simply becoming learned, simply becoming very purified is not all. The summit is that one should become the devotee of the Lord.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja says, viprād dvi-ṣaḍ-guṇa-yutād aravinda-nābha. Aravinda-nābha. Aravinda-nābha, aravinda means lotus, and nābha means this navel. That means Viṣṇu. Lord Viṣṇu is aravinda-nābha. From His lotus flower grown out of His abdomen, navel, Brahmā is born. Therefore His another name is aravinda-nābha.\nIf one becomes avaiṣṇava, not devotee of the Supreme Lord Viṣṇu, but he has all these qualifications, aravinda-nābha-pādāravinda-vimukhāt [SB 7.9.10]. Pādāravinda means... Aravinda-nābha, Kṛṣṇa is aravinda, mukhāravinda. Mukhāravinda means that His face is like lotus flower. His eyes are like lotus flower. From the navel a lotus flower has grown. His feet is called lotus feet. So here aravinda-nābha and pādāravinda. Pādāravinda means lotus feet.\nSo one who is detached from the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, from whose abdomen a lotus is grown for begetting Brahmā, if one is bereft of attachment to the Supreme Lord, then his qualification of vipra is not accepted, or not very fruitful. Rather, a person who has not become vipra, born of a very low family, caṇḍāla, śvapacaṁ variṣṭham—śvapacaṁ, śvapacaṁ means…, śva means dog, a dog-eater's family, lowest family—if he is qualified in devotional service, he is better than a person who is a vipra. Why?\nmanye tad-arpita-mano-vacanehitārtha-\nprāṇaṁ punāti sa kulaṁ na tu bhūrimānaḥ\n[SB 7.9.10]\n[If a brāhmaṇa has all twelve of the brahminical qualifications [as they are stated in the book called Sanat-sujāta] but is not a devotee and is averse to the lotus feet of the Lord, he is certainly lower than a devotee who is a dog-eater but who has dedicated everything—mind, words, activities, wealth and life—to the Supreme Lord. Such a devotee is better than such a brāhmaṇa because the devotee can purify his whole family, whereas the so-called brāhmaṇa in a position of false prestige cannot purify even himself.]\nBecause if a person has dedicated his life and body and everything to the service of the Lord, he can deliver his family more than such vipra, that brāhmaṇa who is simply proud of his qualification but has no, actually, devotional service. This is the statement of Prahlāda Mahārāja.\nIn the Mahābhārata, the twelve qualification are described as follows. What is that?\ndharmaś ca satyaṁ ca damas tapaś ca\namātsaryaṁ hrīs titikṣānasūyā\nyajñaś ca dānaṁ ca dhṛtiḥśrutaṁ ca\nvratāni vai dvādaśa brāhmaṇasya\n[Mahābhārata]\n[A brāhmaṇa must be perfectly religious. He must be truthful, and he must be able to control his senses. He must execute severe austerities, and he must be detached, humble and tolerant. He must not envy anyone, and he must be expert in performing sacrifices and giving whatever he has in charity. He must be fixed in devotional service and expert in the knowledge of the Vedas. These are the twelve qualifications for a brāhmaṇa.]\nOne who is vipra, these twelve qualification: that he must be very religious; he must be truthful; he must be controlling his mind; he must have austerities; he must be very intelligent; he must be tolerant; he must not be envious; he must have performed various kinds of yajñas, sacrifice; he must have given in charity, dhṛti; he is fixed up in his vows; and śrutaṁ ca, has got sufficient knowledge in the Vedas; vratāni, and he has followed all kinds of vratā.\nJust like we sometimes observe—no, regularly observe—the Ekādaśī; it is called vratā. Vratā means fasting with a vow. Janmāṣṭamī…, just like we fast on the birthday of Lord Kṛṣṇa or Lord Caitanya. These are called vratā. So brāhmaṇa is supposed to follow. These are all brāhmaṇa's qualification. Dvādaśa brāhmaṇasya yadva[?]…\nśamo damas tapaḥ śaucaṁ\nkṣānty-ārjava-virakta yaḥ\nmauna-vijñāna-santoṣāḥ\nsatyāstikye dviṣaḍ guṇāḥ\n[Muktāphala-tīkā]\n[”Mental equilibrium, sense control, austerity, cleanliness, tolerance, simplicity, detachment, theoretical and practical knowledge, satisfaction, truthfulness and firm faith in the Vedas are the twelve qualities of a brāhmaṇa.”]\nAnother department of twelve qualifications is that śama; śama means equilibrium of the mind. Dama, dama means controlling the senses; tapaḥ—austerity; and śaucaṁ—cleanliness; kṣānti—tolerance; ārjavam, ārjavam means simplicity; virakta, renouncement, no more attachment for material things; mauna—gravity, vijñāna—knowledge in perfection; santoṣāḥ—santoṣāḥ means very much satisfied, in whatever condition, he is not agitated. These are the qualification. Santoṣāḥ, and satyā—satyā means truthful; āstikya—āstikya means to have staunch faith in the scriptural injunction. That is called āstikya. Dviṣaḍ guṇāḥ.\nKataṁ va viprās aravinda-nābhasy-pādāravinda-vimukhāt kataṁ va [indistinct] na tasmin āravinda nābhe arpita-mano-ādayah yena tam. What is the distinction? The so much qualified brāhmaṇa is rejected because if he is found to be out of devotional service, and a person born in the lowest family who are dog-eaters, he is accepted, why? Now, one…, because he has dedicated his life and soul for Kṛṣṇa.\nSo we should remember that in the Western part of this world, where we are pushing on this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we should not be dejected that because you are not born in high family or not so much trained in the Vedic knowledge. It doesn't matter. If simply your life, your everything—life, body—three things especially: kāya-mano-vākye... Kāya means body, and manaḥ means mind, and vacaḥ means words.\nWe accepted the tridaṇḍi—you will have seen in my name \"tridaṇḍi.\" Tri means three. Three. What is that three? What that three? The mind, the body and the words. So if we simply dedicate our mind always thinking of Kṛṣṇa, if we dedicate our body—the body shall work simply for Kṛṣṇa—and words, and we shall talk only for Kṛṣṇa—if we take simply these three things as our life and soul, then you are perfect. Kāya manaḥ vacaḥ.\nSo a person born in the family of dog-eaters, he is accepted more qualified than the brāhmaṇa..., a person born in the brāhmaṇa family with twelve kinds of other qualification. Why? The only qualification is that if he has dedicated his body, mind and words for Kṛṣṇa, then he is preferred.\nThis is the recommendation of Prahlāda Mahārāja. And he is placing himself that \"I am born of a low father, but because I have dedicated my mind, words and body for Kṛṣṇa, therefore Lord Brahmā has preferred me to pacify the Lord. So let me try to pacify the Lord.\"\nThat's all. We shall discuss next [indistinct].\nHare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances]\n[break] What is the qualification? This qualification, if we simply dedicate these three things: always thinking of Kṛṣṇa, that is very nicely possible. If we chant and hear, then we must be thinking of Kṛṣṇa. Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare.\nThis means my mind is engaged in Kṛṣṇa. Similarly, if you work for Kṛṣṇa, the body is engaged. There are so many works and preaching. These three things you can do, then we are perfectly eligible for becoming one of the devotees of the Lord. It is not very difficult. Is it difficult? Huh?\n[break] Tridaṇḍi-sannyāsi means... Everyone can become a tridaṇḍi sannyāsi if he dedicates these three things for Kṛṣṇa's service, then he's tridaṇḍi sannyāsi. Of course officially, tridaṇḍi-sannyāsi, one has to take three rods joined together. That's a symbolic.\nBut actually the fact is that one has to dedicate these three things to Kṛṣṇa; then he becomes more than the viprā or the brāhmana with twelve qualifications. That is the subject matter of today's discussion.\nDo you want to ask any questions?\n[silence] Nobody? [silence]\nThen chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [silence]\nChant.\n[46:54]\n[kīrtana, bhaja śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya]\n[break] [Prabhupāda leading kīrtana, govinda jaya jaya, gopāla jaya jaya] [end]",
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"content": "\n [tests microphone chanting japa]\n[break] Up is on, down is off.",
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"content": "\n Since everyone is here now, we can start now?",
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"content": "\n All right. [sounds of setting up for kīrtana]\n[aside:] We should have the words to the chant. We should have the words to the chant, Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n [to audience:] Everybody move forward, so everybody can come in this room now. What we're [indistinct] the Hare Kṛṣṇa chant. The words to this chant are Hare... Only three words: Hare, Kṛṣṇa and Rāma. The chant itself, we will repeat over and over: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. And these are all words to God.",
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"content": "\nPlease join in. You'll be [indistinct]. Please clap your hands, and some of us will get up and dance. But please get up and dance and clap and sing the chant. That way it will be very nice. And following the chant, Swami Bhaktivedanta will tell you a little bit about Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and we'll have some more chanting and [indistinct] food and some [indistinct]. [kīrtana]",
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"content": "\n [prema-dhvani] [devotees offer obeisances]\n[taps microphone] It is working?",
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"content": "\nYes.\n[22:12]",
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"content": "\n So one intelligent boy should come forward. Who is intelligent, most intelligent boy? You come forward? Come on. Eh? Somebody come forward, some of the boys. Come on. You come on. No? All right. Very good. Stand up here.\nCan you say what is this? What is this?",
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"content": "\n Hand.",
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"content": "\n My head. Yes. And what is this?",
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"content": "\n Yes. My leg. And what is this?",
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"content": "\n My cloth. Similarly, you have got your head, you have got your hand, you have got your leg, you have got your coat, you have got your pant, but do you know where you are? Can you say where you are?",
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"content": "\n I am here. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n You are here, but that is your coat, that is your pant, that is your hand, that is your leg, that is your head. But where you are? It is your coat, it is your pant, it is your hand, it is your leg. Where you are? Do you know that? Can you say, any of the boys or girls here, where you are?",
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"content": "\n No? Oh. So you are not taught in this school where you are? Then what is that education? You do not know where you are.",
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"content": "\n You do not know, because as you say you are here—here your coat is there, your pant is there, your hand is there, your body is there—but you cannot explain where you are. All right. Sit down. I shall explain.\n[laughter]\nThis is the defect of modern education. We are educated in a way in which we have misunderstood. \"This is my body. This is my hand. This is my leg. This is my country. This is my mother. This is my father. This is my school.\" \"This is my,\" I know. I have the concept of \"my.\" But who is conceiving \"my\"? We have no information where it is. In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is said that yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke [SB 10.84.13].\n[One who identifies his self as the inert body composed of mucus, bile and air, who assumes his wife and family are permanently his own, who thinks an earthen image or the land of his birth is worshipable, or who sees a place of pilgrimage as merely the water there, but who never identifies himself with, feels kinship with, worships or even visits those who are wise in spiritual truth—such a person is no better than a cow or an ass.]\nUnder misconception we understand my body as myself. I say, \"It is my body,\" but I misidentify my body with myself. Is it not?\nSo the basic principle of mistake... Yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke. According to Vedic literature, this body is prepared in three elements: fire, water and clay. So I am not the combination of fire, water and clay. Then I am this house, I am this room. So yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke. So basic principle of my knowledge is false, that I am considering this material body as \"I am.\"\nAnd if the basic principle is wrong, then, in relationship with this body, because I am born in this land of America... \"I am born\" means my body is born. Or because my body is born from another body—my father and mother—so I think that \"This body is my kinsman, and this country is mine,\" and so on. But the basic principle is false, that \"I am considering..., falsely identifying myself with this body. But I am within this body.\" That is a fact.\nAnd how can I understand how I am within this body? I can understand I am within this body by my feeling. If there is some pain or pleasure on my body, I can feel. I am conscious that I am there. In consciousness, I am there. And what is this consciousness? This consciousness is the reflection of real myself. Myself means soul.\nSo as soon as the soul is within this body, there is perception of pains and pleasure, heat and cold, and so many things. That is consciousness. And as soon as the soul is out of this body, there is no more pain, pleasure or heat and cold. A dead body, if you cut it into pieces, it will not protest. Therefore the soul, or consciousness, the symptom of soul, consciousness, is my self. My consciousness is the seat of my real self.\nSimilarly, there is another consciousness. In the Bhagavad-gītā there are description of two consciousness. Just like I am conscious throughout my body. If you pinch any part of my body, then I feel. That is my consciousness. So I am spread..., my consciousness is spread all over my body. This is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, avināśi tad viddhi yena sarvam idaṁ tatam [Bg. 2.17]:\n[Know that which pervades the entire body is indestructible. No one is able to destroy the imperishable soul.]\n\"That consciousness which is spread all over this body, that is eternal.\" And antavanta ime dehā nityasyoktāḥ śarīriṇa [Bg. 2.18]:\n[Only the material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is subject to destruction; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata.]\n\"But this body is antavat,\" means perishable. \"This body is perishable, but that consciousness is imperishable, eternal.\" And that consciousness, or the soul, is transmigrating from one body to another. Just like we are changing dress. I may have this dress. You may have another dress. I may exchange your dress with me. So this changing of dress is going on every moment. How?\nNow, these children, they are now so small. When they'll become young, this body will grow. We do not know... We say, \"It is growing,\" but growing or not growing, this body will not remain. This body will go; another body will come. Medical science also says that every second we are changing blood corpuscles, and therefore change in the body is going on. So you say or I say that \"Body is growing,\" but in the Vedic language it is said that \"Body is changing.\"\nJust like a child is born so small from the mother's womb, and it changes body every second. Then he becomes a young child or a boy, then young man, then old man like me, and so on. In this way this changing, body changing, is going on. And the final change is called death. Death means... Just like the too much old garments cannot be used, similarly, this body is the garment of the soul. When it is..., no longer can be used, we have to accept another body. This is called transmigration of the soul.\nNow, consciousness, the symptom... The presentation of the soul within this body is proved by consciousness. So from Bhagavad-gītā we can understand there are two different qualities of consciousness. One consciousness is that I know about the pain and pleasure of my body, you know about the pains and pleasure of your body, but I do not know the pains and pleasure of your body, neither you know the pains and pleasure of my body. Therefore each and every one of us is individual soul, and our consciousness is limited within the body.\nSimilarly, there is another consciousness and another body. That body is universal body, and that consciousness is universal. That universal consciousness knows your pains and pleasure, my pains and pleasure, and millions and trillions of living entities and bodies, He knows the pains and pleasures of everyone. These are the statements in the Bhagavad-gītā. Kṣetrajñaṁ ca māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata [Bg. 13.3]:\n[O scion of Bharata, you should understand that I am also the knower in all bodies, and to understand this body and its owner is called knowledge. That is My opinion.]\n\"As individual soul is conscious, is, only of his body, similarly, I am also conscious of everyone's body.\" The Supreme Personality of Godhead says that \"I am conscious of everyone's body,\" because He is all-pervading. He is all-pervading. That is all-pervading consciousness.\nSo this all-pervading consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we are preaching—consciousness; all-pervading consciousness, universal consciousness. So our consciousness, when it is dovetailed with universal consciousness, then our consciousness also become universal consciousness. What is that? I will give you one example.\nJust like a motorcar is running at hundred miles' speed, and you are running on your cycle at ten miles' speed. But if you catch that motorcar, you will also run in hundred miles' speed. Although your capacity of bicycle is only ten miles' speed, but because you catch the motorcar which is running at hundred miles' speed, you also run at hundred miles' speed.\nSo unless we dovetail our activities with the supreme consciousness, or God consciousness, there cannot be equality, fraternity or universality as we are hankering after. It is not possible. You can go on crying in the wilderness for universal fraternity, friendship, equality, but if you keep your individuality, individual consciousness, selfish consciousness, there is no possibility of peace or tranquillity in the world.\nTherefore people are very much anxious at the present moment for peace and tranquillity over the world, but they do not know how that peace can be attained. Peace can be attained. The formula is there in the Bhagavad-gītā: bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram [Bg. 5.29].\n[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]\nYou can attain peace only when you understand that God is the proprietor of everything.\nActually, God is proprietor of everything. Now, take for example this house. This house is made of wood, stone, clay, sand and everything, materials. But who is the proprietor of this wood, sand, clay? God is the proprietor. You cannot produce wood. You cannot produce sand. You cannot produce clay. You can simply work as a laborer to bring the clay, to bring the wood, to bring the stone and collect them and stand, make, construct a very big skyscraper house.\nBut actually, the proprietor is God. This land, this land, America, it was lying before you came from Europe, before you colonized. And it may be, some days after, it will be lying here, and you shall have to go. Therefore who is the proprietor of this land? God is the proprietor.\nIn this way, if we study that \"Everything belongs to God. I also belong to God—my self, my body, my mind, my activity, my energy, everything...\" Just take for example, I am claiming that \"This is my hand,\" but if God withdraws the energy of the hand, your claim for \"my hand\" at once goes. So we have to develop that God consciousness and Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nWhen we speak of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it is God consciousness. People have become degenerated, forgetting God consciousness. Therefore in the present world there is no peace. Materially, they are very much advanced. They are advanced in so-called education, but they do not know what is \"I.\" The everything, they are claiming, \"my\" and \"mine,\" but they do not know what is \"I.\"\nSo this consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is scientifically presented. It is not a sentiment. It is not a sentimental movement. It is very scientific movement. And the easiest process to come to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness is by chanting this Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. So we are presenting very easy formula for coming to the Kṛṣṇa consciousness platform. Just a moment before, we were dancing and chanting equally, the boys, the girls, the men, the women.\nSo there is no distinction. Even if we do not understand the language, what is the meaning of \"Hare Kṛṣṇa,\" but because it is transcendental, because it is spiritual, from the spiritual platform, everything is equal. We forget that we are American or we are Indian, we are child, we are youth or man or woman, because in the spiritual platform there is no such bodily distinction.\nSo our request to all the guardians of the boys and girls present here, or the teachers, that they should teach from the very beginning this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness. Otherwise the future of the world is not very bright. It is recommended in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. We are having our class in our temple: the instruction of Prahlāda Mahārāja.\nPrahlāda Mahārāja was a five-years-old boy, and he was agitating this Kṛṣṇa conscious movement in his school. The schoolteachers would not allow him to speak about God, but as soon as there was some recess and the child, the boy, five-years-old boy, he would take the opportunity, call his friends and speak on Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nAnd he said, kaumāra ācaret prājño dharmān bhāgavatān iha [SB 7.6.1].\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: One who is sufficiently intelligent should use the human form of body from the very beginning of life—in other words, from the tender age of childhood—to practice the activities of devotional service, giving up all other engagements. The human body is most rarely achieved, and although temporary like other bodies, it is meaningful because in human life one can perform devotional service. Even a slight amount of sincere devotional service can give one complete perfection.]\nThe Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness, should be taught from the very beginning of education. This is the greatest drawback of modern education, that, not only in your country or any country, they have completely neglected what is meant by God. And in India, they are especially... Now, as soon as there is any question of God, they see phobia: \"Oh, this is all nonsense.\" They have become so clever.\nSo anyway, my appeal to you, American people, that you are considered to be the leader of the all nations of the world. You should take this Kṛṣṇa conscious movement very seriously. It is good for you. It is good for the whole world. It is individually, collectively, without any consideration of caste, creed or color.\nEveryone can chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, anyone and everyone, at home, on the street. There is no expenditure. Suppose while you are walking if you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, there is no loss, there is no expenditure, but you see how much you are profited by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. This is practical. We don't say that \"You come to our temple and give us some subscription. Become our member.\" No, that is a secondary question.\nOur primary movement is that everyone may take advantage of this movement and simply chant wherever possible—at home, at work, on the street, anywhere. There is no regulation where you have to chant and how you have to chant. It is spontaneous. Simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. There are only three words there: Hare, Kṛṣṇa and Rāma, but they are adjusted in a different position. There are sixteen words.\nSo it is not very difficult. You can make an experiment. The children also may take pleasure. We have got our records. If you play those records and chant with it, you will find a transcendental pleasure in you. These are facts. So our request to you, that you take this movement a little seriously, and you will be happy by grace of Kṛṣṇa.\nThank you very much. If you have got any question, you can ask.\n[pause]",
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"content": "\n I want everybody to listen very carefully. This is a new song that... It would be very nice if you could learn how to sing and learn how to sing it very well. And the only way you can do it is by listening very carefully, everybody. So give your attention to these words: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare.\nNow, if everybody will do this, and stand up, close your eyes very tight, put your hands up in the air and sing this song, so you really learn the words, and you can go home and teach it to your brothers and sisters and your mother and your father, and tell them what you learned today. You have to say you learned something. So if you teach them this song, that would be very nice.\nBut you must learn it by listening. So listen to the words. Then get up, close your eyes and just sing. And you'll find it's a very nice song. But unless you try it, you won't learn it, just like all the other songs you learn in your class. So try it. So I'm going to say the words, and then you say the words after me. We're going to practice it once. Okay.\n[with children repeating] Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Okay. Now we're going to clap our hands too. First I'll start by clapping. Now you follow. Okay, get all ready to clap. So, we'll go like this: [claps] one, two, three; one, two, three; one, two, three; one, two, three; one, two, three. Everybody. One, two, three... [continues as they clap, then has them repeat mantra along with clapping] Everybody stand up.\n[52:00]\n[kīrtana, with Prabhupāda]",
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"content": "\n ...accustomed to follow the Vedic principles. Just like in Christian religion, those who do not follow the Bible, they are called heathens. Similarly, in Muslim, those who do not follow the Koran, they are called kafirs. Similarly, those who do not follow the Vedic principles, they are called nāstika or mlecchas. Nāstika means those who do not believe in the Vedic principles; they are called nāstika, atheist.\nAnd those whose behavior is not very clean, they are called mlecchas. So in comparison to Hindu mode of living and others in the world, there is very great difference, social sanctity and personal sanctity. So therefore, the..., formerly the mlecchas means the Muhammadan, because they are meat-eaters, they do not take bath daily and there are so many things.\nSo even those persons who were delivered by Lord Caitanya, but the author says that He could not deliver the Māyāvādī, the impersonalist sannyāsī. That means it was easier for Him to deliver the mlecchas, but it was difficult for Him to deliver the Māyāvādīs. In other words, the author is trying to place the position of the Māyāvādī sannyāsī less than the mlecchas. Less than the mlecchas.\nSo, sabe eḍāila mātra kāśīra māyāvādī [Cc. Ādi 7.39].\n[All were converted into devotees of Lord Caitanya, even the mlecchas and yavanas. Only the impersonalist followers of Śaṅkarācārya evaded Him.]\nMāyāvādī means materialist. Māyā means this matter, and vādī means those who stick to this principle of material... So there are different kinds of materialists. Because we should always know that up to the point of intelligence, it is matter. First point is the senses, the gross. The grossest type of materialist is that they are addicted to sense gratification. So this is materialist. And above this, there are mental speculators. They are also materialists, because mind is matter.\nSo the sense gratifiers and the mental speculationist, and those who are trying to reach spiritual perfection by bodily exercise... Because body is not at all spirit; it is matter. But by intellectually, by making proper adjustment... Just the only benefit of such exercises is to concentrate the mind. The mind is very disturbed. So that is also materialist. That means jñānī, yogī and karmī. \nKarmī means those who are working very hard day and night simply for sense gratification. That's all. They are called karmī. And jñānī means they are finding out solution by mental speculation. And yogī means they are trying to find out spiritual salvation by bodily exercises. They are all, in strict sense, they are all materialist.\nThere is no question of spiritualist. Spiritualism there where one understands that what is the constitutional position of spirit and act according to that. Therefore bhakti, this devotional service, is only spiritualism, because those who are devotees, they know that they are eternally part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, and therefore to be engaged in transcendental loving service of the Supreme Lord is spiritualism.\nSo,\nvṛndāvana yāite prabhu rahilā kāśīte\nmāyāvādī-gaṇa tāṅre lāgila nindite\n[Cc. Ādi 7.40]\n[While Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu was passing through Vārāṇasī on His way to Vṛndāvana, the Māyāvādī sannyāsī philosophers blasphemed against Him in many ways.]\nMāyāvādī... The followers of Śaṅkara's school, they are generally called Māyāvādī. And another Māyāvādī are called the Buddhist. In the Kāśī, in Benares, there were two kinds of Māyāvādīs. One kind of Māyāvādī, the Buddhist, they have got still Sarnath. Buddhists temples there are, because Lord Buddha, he started his meditation near Gayā at about hundred miles off from Benares. Then his disciples established monasteries near Kāśī, because Benares is well-known sacred place since a very long time, so they also established there.\nFormerly there was no such animosities between the Hindus and the Buddhists. They were practically on the same platform, but philosophically they were different. Just like the Māyāvādīs, the followers of Śaṅkarite, they are still Hindus. They are not out of it. Similarly, Buddhists also were considered as Hindu. But when Buddha religion was completely driven away from India's boundary, then now it is considered another sect. So the Kāśī Māyāvādī means both the Buddhist and the followers of Śaṅkarites.\nsannyāsī ha-iyā kare gāyana nācana\nnā kare vedānta-pāṭha kare saṅkīrtana\n[Cc. Ādi 7.41]\n[The blasphemers said, ”Although a sannyāsī, He does not take interest in the study of Vedānta but instead always engages in chanting and dancing in saṅkīrtana.]\nmūrkha sannyāsī nija-dharma nāhi jāne\nbhāvuka ha-iyā phere bhāvukera sane\n[Cc. Ādi 7.42]\n[This Caitanya Mahāprabhu is an illiterate sannyāsī and therefore does not know His real function. Guided only by His sentiments, He wanders about in the company of other sentimentalists.]\nSo when Lord Caitanya was living at Benares, on His way to Vṛndāvana... Not... He never made His headquarter anywhere else except Jagannātha Purī. Even Benares... He was worshiper of Vṛndāvana, but He did not make His headquarter at Vṛndāvana. So when on His way to Vṛndāvana He stopped at Benares and was staying at Candraśekhara's house, and He was taking His meals at the house of Tapana Miśra.\nSo when He was passing—because His only propaganda was Hare Kṛṣṇa, just we are doing—so when He was passing on the road, all the people joined. All the people. It is... It has got so attraction, even nonsignificant persons like us, when we chant, it attracts people, and what to speak of Lord Caitanya? He is personally chanting. So it attracted many people. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu within three, four days became very famous man, and everyone began to say, \"Oh, from Bengal, nice sannyāsī, beautiful sannyāsī, a young sannyāsī has come, and He is chanting and dancing, and people are very much attached to Him.\" In this way there was some propaganda in the city.\nBut the Māyāvādī sannyāsīs, they could not tolerate. They were, I mean to say, backbiting. What they were saying? \"Oh, here is a sannyāsī, and He's dancing.\" According to Māyāvāda sannyāsa, this dancing and singing is forbidden. Forbidden. In Muhammadan religion also, dancing and singing is forbidden. I do not know what is there in the Bible, but I understand in the Bible there is saṅkīrtana allowed. I have asked our Kīrtanānanda to write some article, \"Saṅkīrtana and Bible,\" because he is..., he knows Bible very well than other members. So we shall see very nice how in Bible there is saṅkīrtana. The Muhammadan Koran, they do not... In some of their sections there is saṅkīrtana, not within the mosque, but without. Anyway...\nSo similarly, these Māyāvādī sannyāsīs, they also do not like singing and dancing. Of course, now they are stopping, finish. They are also taking now to this process of singing and dancing in India. So formerly they used to, I mean to say, decry. So\nsannyāsī ha-iyā kare nācana gāyana\n[Cc. Ādi 7.41]:\n[The blasphemers said, ”Although a sannyāsī, He does not take interest in the study of Vedānta but instead always engages in chanting and dancing in saṅkīrtana.]\n\"Oh, here is a sannyāsī. He is dancing and singing.\" Nā kare vedānta-śravaṇa: \"He does not give His attention for studying Vedānta,\" kare saṅkīrtana, \"and always engaged in Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa.\"\nMūrkha sannyāsī: \"That means He has no knowledge. He has not studied all this Vedānta philosophy, and He's a nonsense. What He can do?\" Sometimes we are considered a nonsense because we have no other stock except chanting. And actually, we have no stock except chanting. But why do we talk of philosophy? Because the fools want to talk of philosophy. Otherwise, there is no need of talking philosophy. Simply by chanting, everything is complete.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu was showing this example, and other Māyāvādī sannyāsīs criticizing Him, \"Oh, here is a..., a foolish, is a,\" mean, \"a illiterate sann...\" Because there were many illiterate sannyāsī also in India. \"Illiterate sannyāsī. He does not know how to execute...\"\n[aside:] Oh, I have forgotten.\n\"...how to execute the sannyāsa life. Therefore He's chanting and dancing.\" This sort of criticism was going on. Bhāvuka ha-iyā phere bhāvukera sane [Cc. Ādi 7.42]: \"And there are other sentimentalist who are also equally foolish and ignorant. So therefore they are following this sannyāsī.\" E saba śuniyā prabhu hāse mane mane: \"When Lord Caitanya was being criticized in that way, He was smiling. He was smiling: 'What can I do?' \" So,\ne saba śuniyā prabhu hāse mane\nupekṣā kariyā kāro nā kaila sambhāṣaṇe\n[Cc. Ādi 7.43]\n[Hearing all this blasphemy, Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu merely smiled to Himself, rejected all these accusations and did not talk with the Māyāvādīs.]\nHe was very grave. \"Oh, let them criticize. Let Me do My duty. That's all.\"\nupekṣā kariyā kaila mathurā gamana\nmathurā dekhiyā punaḥ kaila āgamana\n[Cc. Ādi 7.44]\n[Thus neglecting the blasphemy of the Vārāṇasī Māyāvādīs, Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu proceeded to Mathurā, and after visiting Mathurā He returned to meet the situation.]\nSo because He was busy at that time for visiting Vṛndāvana, so He did not take care of this, and He went, left Kāśī, or Benares, after three, four days and, er, although He was criticized, but He did not challenge. He went to Vṛndāvana.\nkāśīte lekhaka śūdra-śrīcandraśekhara\ntāṅra ghare rahilā prabhu svatantra īśvara\n[Cc. Ādi 7.45]\n[This time Lord Caitanya stayed at the house of Candraśekhara, although he was regarded as a śūdra or kāyastha, for the Lord, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is completely independent.]\nNow, at Benares He stayed, and in the house of Candraśekhara. Candraśekhara was not a brāhmaṇa, and a sannyāsī is not supposed to stay any place except in the house of a brāhmaṇa or in a temple. Otherwise, he is considered lower. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu did not care for all these formalities. He used to stay with Candraśekhara although he was not a brāhmaṇa—a śūdra, a laborer class, or little more than that. So why? Because He is completely independent, because He is Kṛṣṇa.\nKṛṣṇa is taking the shape of a hog. Keśava dhṛta-śūkara-rūpa [Śrī Daśāvatāra-stotra 3\n]\n.\n[O Keśava! O Lord of the universe! O Lord Hari who have assumed the form of a boar! All glories to You! The earth, which had sunk to the bottom of the Garbha Ocean, sits fixed upon the tip of Your tusk like a spot upon the moon.]\nHog is considered to be the lowest animal, because it eats stool. Just like in human society, those who are dog-eaters, they are considered the lowest of the human society, similarly, amongst the animals, the hog is considered to be the lowest of the animals, because it eats stool. But Kṛṣṇa took the appearance of a hog. That does not mean that Kṛṣṇa has become a hog. He is fully independent. And what sort of hog? That hog was covering practically half of the universe. It..., He was so big.\nAnd in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, there is very nice explanation of the incarnation of hog. The... And They were being praised. The incarnation of hog was being praised from higher planets. The higher planets, three higher planets, they are resided by most pious men. They are called Janaloka, Tapoloka and Satyaloka. These three higher planets, they are considered to be the most pious place within this material world.\nSo they were praying, and when the incarnation of hog was sprinkling water by, I mean to say, shaking His body, and the sprinkle of the water was dropping in those three lokas, planets, and they were thinking themselves that \"We are becoming purified.\" Although they are considered to be the most pious and purified residents of this material world, still they prayed that \"We are becoming purified.\"\nSo Kṛṣṇa or His devotee, they're independent. They are not under the rules and regulation of this material world. Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu showed this example, that He was staying at a place which is considered abominable by other sannyāsīs. Kāśīte lekhaka śūdra-śrīcandraśekhara [Cc. Ādi 7.45]. \n[This time Lord Caitanya stayed at the house of Candraśekhara, although he was regarded as a śūdra or kāyastha, for the Lord, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is completely independent.]\nLekhaka śūdra means he was a clerk. Clerk. The clerk, clerical post, was offered to the śūdras, to the laborer class.\nThere was a strike in Calcutta of the clerks. Jardine and Skinner, an European firm, they had many jute [indistinct]. And the clerks, I mean to say, made a strike. So when their, I mean to say, chief man met the manager, so, and asked that \"Whether you want to compromise with us?\" the manager said, \"No. I don't wish to compromise with you. I don't care for you, because you are educated laborer.\" He gave the title to the clerks, \"educated laborer.\" So actually, in Hindu society, the clerks were called educated laborer. So here it is lekhaka śūdra. Lekhaka śūdra means clerk, but he's śūdra. Lekhaka śūdra śrīcandraśekhara, tāṅra ghare rahilā [Cc. Ādi 7.45].\nBut spiritually there is no such distinction. We should always remember that materially, there may be higher, lower class. There is, always, in every society, in every country. But spiritually there is no such consideration. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's propaganda. He made Haridāsa Ṭhākura—he was a Muhammadan—as the spiritual master for saṅkīrtana, namācārya. And He picked up Sanātana Gosvāmī and Rūpa Gosvāmī, who were rejected by the Hindu society, and He made them gosvāmīs. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's peculiarity. And here also we see that a śūdra, a laborer class, a clerk, who is considered to be lower in the society, He was staying at his house.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu... And Rāmānanda Rāya, he was also a śūdra, and he was a householder and a politician, governor, but Caitanya Mahāprabhu took instruction from him. Caitanya Mahāprabhu gave him the preference of being a teacher. He was hesitating. Rāmānanda Rāya was hesitating, \"Oh, Sir, You are sannyāsī, in the highest stage of āśrama, and You, in Your previous life You belonged to the brāhmaṇa sect. So You belong to the highest class, and I am a śūdra, I am householder and I am a politician. So how lower I am in comparison to You? And You are taking instruction from me, so I am feeling hesitation.\"\nCaitanya Mahāprabhu said, \"No, no. You don't feel hesitation.\" He enunciated,\nkibā śūdra kibā vipra nyāsī kene naya\nyei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā sei guru haya\n[Cc. Madhya 8.128]\n[Whether one is a brāhmaṇa, a sannyāsī or a śūdra—regardless of what he is—he can become a spiritual master if he knows the science of Kṛṣṇa.]\n\"Never mind a man, whatever he is. He may be a laborer class, he may be a brāhmaṇa, or he may be a sannyāsī or he may be a householder. It doesn't matter. Anyone who knows the science of Kṛṣṇa, he is spiritual master. Anyone.\" That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's, I mean to, highest con..., especially for the Hindu society. They have got so much caste distinction, lower and higher and this and that way.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu broke all these barriers. His simple process was: anyone who is Kṛṣṇa conscious, he is welcome; he is the highest personality in the world. That was His proposal. So He did not care that \"What people will say that I am staying at a śūdra's place?\" No.\ntapana-miśrera ghare bhikṣā-nirvāhaṇa\nsannyāsīra saṅge nāhi māne nimantraṇa\n[Cc. Ādi 7.46]\n[As a matter of principle, Lord Caitanya regularly accepted His food at the house of Tapana Miśra. He never mixed with other sannyāsīs, nor did He accept invitations from them.]\nSo He was staying with a śūdra, and He was taking His meal at another brāhmaṇa... He was also not sannyāsī, but he was a brāhmaṇa. So in this way He was staying at Benares.\nsanātana gosāñi āsi' tāṅhāi mililā\ntāṅra śikṣā lāgi' prabhu du-māsa rahilā\n[Cc. Ādi 7.47]\n[When Sanātana Gosvāmī came from Bengal, he met Lord Caitanya at the house of Tapana Miśra, where Lord Caitanya remained continuously for two months to teach him devotional service.]\nSo this, this incidence is that Caitanya Mahāprabhu, first of all He visited Benares and went to Vṛndāvana. Then, while coming back, He stayed at Allahabad, Prayāg, for ten days for instructing Rūpa Gosvāmī. That we have already discussed. Now again He has come back to Benares. So He was staying at Candraśekhara's house, and He was taking His meals at Tapana Miśra's house. In the meantime, Sanātana Gosvāmī came to see Him.\nSanātana Gosvāmī , after retirement, he had many troubles. He was arrested by the Nawab because Nawab thought him that he was very important hand. \"He has now... By sentiment, he's going to Caitanya.\" So he thought it wise to arrest him. And Sanātana Gosvāmī had some money, so he bribed the superintendent of jail, and he let him go away.\nSo with great difficulty he reached Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and he met Caitanya Mahāprabhu at Benares, and for two months he was instructed all the principles of devotional service and different incarnations. We have... Some part of this Sanātana instruction, we have discussed. Again we shall discuss. So this Sanātana Gosvāmī met at Benares while Caitanya Mahāprabhu was returning back from Vṛndāvana. We shall discuss this point tomorrow.\nThank you very much.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Everything in this material world, it has got a fixed time. And within that fixed time there are six kinds of changes: first birth, then growth, then to stay, then to produce by-product, then dwindling, then vanish. This is the law of material nature. This flower takes birth, just like a bud, then grows, then stays for two, three days, then it produces a seed, by-product, then dries up gradually, then finish.\n[aside:] You sit down like this.\nSo this is called ṣaḍ-vikāra, six kinds of changes.\nSo you cannot stop this by your so-called material science. No. This is avidyā. People are trying to save himself, and sometimes talking foolishly that by scientific knowledge man will be immortal. The Russians say like that. So this is avidyā, ignorance. You cannot stop the process of the material laws.\nTherefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14]. The process of material nature, which is composed of three qualities—sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa... Tri-guṇa. Another meaning of guṇa is rope. Just like you have seen rope, they're twisted in three process. First of all thin rope, then three of them, they are rolled, then again three of them rolled, then again three. It becomes very strong. So these three qualities, sattva-, raja-, tamo-guṇa, they are mixed up.\nAgain they produce some by-product, again mixed up, again mixed up. In this way eighty-one times they're twisted. So guṇamayī māyā, says binding you more and more. So you cannot get out of this binding of this material world. Binding. So therefore it is called apavarga. This process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness means nullifying the pavarga process.\nYesterday I was explaining what is this pavarga to Gargamuni. This pavarga means the line of the alphabet pa. You know, those who have studied this devanāgarī, there are, devanāgarī alphabets, ka, kha, ga, gha, na, ca, cha, ja, jha, na. In this way five set, one line. Then come the fifth set, comes pa, pha, ba, bha, ma. So this pavarga means pa. First of all pa. Pa means parābhava, defeat. Everyone is trying, struggling very hard to survive, but defeated. This is first pavarga. Pa means parābhava.\nAnd then pha. Pha means phena. Just like horse, when working very hard, you'll find some foams coming out of the mouth, we sometimes also, when we are very tired after working very hard, the tongue becomes dry and some foam comes. So everyone is working very hard for sense gratification, but defeated. The pa, pha and ba. Ba means this bondage. So first pa, second pha, then bondage third, then ba, bha. Bha means bhīti, fearfulness. And then ma. Ma means mṛtyu, or death.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa conscious process is apavarga. Apa. A means none. Pavarga, these are the symptoms of this material world. And when you add this word a, apavarga, that means it is nullified. So...\n[aside:] You can sit down.\nThis apavarga-vartmani. Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the path of apavarga, nullifying these pavargas.\nsatāṁ prasaṅgān mama vīrya-saṁvido\nbhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ kathāḥ\ntaj-joṣaṇād āśv apavarga-vartmani\nśraddhā [ratir] bhaktir anukramiṣyati\n[SB 3.25.25]\nSatāṁ prasaṅgān. This discussion, this is called satāṁ prasaṅgān, discussion. Just like there are many conferences, assembly, they have got different types of talks. Just like we were discussing last week, śrotavyādīni rājendra..., apaśyatām ātma-tattvaṁ gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām [SB 2.1.2]. Discussion. Those who are blind for self-realization, they do not take care, they have got many things to discuss. But so far Kṛṣṇa conscious people are concerned, their subject matter of discussion is one: apavarga-vartmani, the path of disintegration.\nSo how it is happen? Satāṁ prasaṅgān. When you form this society, Kṛṣṇa conscious society, and you discuss about this apavarga from the authoritative literature, just we are doing, then it becomes relishable. You cannot discuss all these thing with a storekeeper. That will be not relishable. Satāṁ prasaṅgān: amongst the devotees. If you take this Īśopaniṣad and you ask one butcher or a man like that \"Come on. We shall discuss,\" he'll throw away. The other day we were coming on this Venice Boulevard. Gargamuni gave one card to a boy. You remember? [laughs] He immediately threw away. They have no taste.\nSo you cannot discuss all this transcendental knowledge with these demons. Satāṁ prasaṅgān. Therefore you have to discuss... Therefore we are opening so many centers, that people may take advantage of this Society. Because anywhere else, he'll not have the opportunity. His life is being spoiled. The modern civilization is like that. It is a killing civilization, ātma-hā. Ātma-hano janāḥ. All these people are killing themselves, because they do not know what is life; simply like animal living. The animal does not know what is life, but he is under the laws of nature, evolution, going on. But when you get this human form of life, there is responsibility. You have to chalk out.\nHere is a chance you can become Kṛṣṇa conscious and make your life solve all problems. If not, then again go to the cycle of birth and death again, 8,400,000. It will take many, many millions of years again to come back. Just like the sunshine you will see after twenty-four..., twelve hours, twenty-four hours, morning. Everything is a process. Process. So if you lose this opportunity of elevating yourself, then again you come to the process. Nature's law is very strong. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī [Bg. 7.14]. The sooner you surrender to Kṛṣṇa, mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te. Such person is able to overcome this process of material nature.\nSo here it is said the universe has its own time, fixed by the energy of the complete whole. Universe is also big gigantic body, material body. That's all. Just like your body, everything is relative. Modern science, the law of relativity. An atom, a small particle, small ant, so it has got a relative life, you have got relative life. Similarly, this gigantic body, it may be many millions of years this universe will exist, but it will not exist forever. That is a fact. Because it is very gigantic, therefore it may remain for some millions of years, but it will end. That is the law of nature.\nAnd when that time is complete, this temporary manifestation will be annihilated by the complete arrangement of the Complete, the Supreme Complete. When your time will be complete, \"No more, sir, in this body,\" nobody can check. The arrangement is so strong. You cannot say, \"Let me remain.\" Actually it happens. When I was in India, Allahabad, one of our, a known friend, he was very rich man. So he was dying. So he was requesting the doctor, \"Can you not give me at least four years to live? I have got some plan, you see. I could not finish it.\" You see?\nĀśā-pāśa-śatair baddhāḥ [Bg. 16.12]. This is demonic. Everyone thinks that \"Oh, I have to do this. I have to do this.\" No. The doctors or doctors' fathers or his father, no scientist can check. \"Oh, no, sir. No four years. Not even four minutes. You have to go immediately.\" This is the law.\nSo before that moment comes, one should be very dexterous to realize Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Tūrṇam yateta. Tūrṇam means very swiftly, very quickly you should realize Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Anu-mṛtyu patet yāvan [SB 11.9.29]. Next, before the death, next death comes, you must finish your business. That is intelligence. Otherwise, defeat.\nThank you. [end]",
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There is no expectation that \"I shall be profited in this way.\" No. It is not a profitable, commercial business, that \"Unless I get in return something, oh, I shall not practice this devotional service in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" There is no question of profit.\nLord Caitanya prays to the Lord like this:\nna dhanaṁ na janaṁ na sundarīṁ\nkavitāṁ vā jagad-īśa kāmaye\nmama janmani janmanīśvare\nbhavatād bhaktir ahaitukī tvayi\n[Cc Antya 20.29]\n[O Lord of the universe, I do not desire material wealth, materialistic followers, a beautiful wife or fruitive activities described in flowery language. All I want, life after life, is unmotivated devotional service to You.]\n\"Oh,\" He says, \"My dear Lord, Jagadīśa...\" Jagadīśa means the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa. Jagat, jagat means this world, material world or spiritual world, all worlds. Jagat. Jagat gacchati iti jagat: which is progressing, that is called jagat. So Jagat-īśa, the supreme master of this jagat, going concern. \"Jagadīśa, O the supreme master of this jagat, I pray unto You that I do not want...,\" na dhanam, \"I do not want any wealth,\" na janam, \"I do not want any number of followers...\" Na janaṁ na dhanaṁ na kavitāṁ vā jagad-īśa kāmaye. Kavitām means very nice wife, poetical. \"I do not want.\"\n\"Then what do You want?\" Mama janmani janmanīśvare. Janmani janmani means \"birth after birth.\" So He does not want liberation also. Because when we speak of liberation, there is no birth. Mad-gatvā punar janma na vidyate: \"One who reaches the kingdom of God, he hasn't got to come back again to take birth here.\" So here Lord Caitanya says, mama janmani janmani: \"birth after birth.\" That means \"I do not want liberation also.\" Mama janmani janmani.\n\"Then what do You want?\" Īśvare bhavatād bhaktir ahaitukī: \"My dear Lord, I may be put in any condition of My life, but please bestow this benediction, that I may not forget. That's all.\" \"I may not forget. Because due to My forgetfulness I am suffering so much. So if I can remember You, I don't mind in whatever condition I am.\" He has to give the factual fact. Yaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābham [Bg 6.22].\n[The stage of perfection is called trance, or samādhi, when one's mind is completely restrained from material mental activities by practice of yoga. This is characterized by one's ability to see the self by the pure mind and to relish and rejoice in the self. In that joyous state, one is situated in boundless transcendental happiness and enjoys himself through transcendental senses. Established thus, one never departs from the truth, and upon gaining this he thinks there is no greater gain. Being situated in such a position, one is never shaken, even in the midst of greatest difficulty. This indeed is actual freedom from all miseries arising from material contact.]\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā in the Ninth..., Sixth Chapter we find in the yoga system, yaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ manyate nādhikaṁ tataḥ: \"When one achieves that perfectional yoga,\" yaṁ labdhvā, \"by gaining that perfection,\" yaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābham, \"then he has no other desire to achieve.\"\nJust like we achieve something in this material world, but that does not stop our desire to achieve something more. I may achieve millions of dollars, but that does not make me satisfied. I want further ten millions of dollars. And when I get further ten millions of dollars, then I desire for further hundred millions of dollars. There is no cessation.\nSo here is a thing, Kṛṣṇa consciousness: one who is perfect in that system, bhakti-yoga system, the Bhagavad-gītā says, yam labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ manyate nādhikaṁ. Adhikam means \"greater than this.\" We want, we desire something which is greater than what I possess now. Therefore I desire. I have got hundred million dollar, and I want million millions of dollars, because that amount is greater than what I possess now. But one who possesses this devotional service, he does not think anything there is in the world which is more valuable than this. So why should he enquire? Why should he desire? He has got the sublime thing. Yaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābham. \nLābham means gain. Manyate na: \"He does not think.\" Na. What is that? Adhikam. Adhikam means greater. If I have got two dollars' possession and if you offer me ten dollars, I think, \"Oh, it is better.\" So he possesses such a thing that nothing is greater than, because he possesses devotional service. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not different from Kṛṣṇa. So therefore he possesses Kṛṣṇa, and what thing can be greater than Kṛṣṇa? Therefore he is fully satisfied.\nyaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ\nmanyate nādhikaṁ tataḥ\nyasmin sthito guruṇāpi\nduḥkhena na vicālyate\n[Bg 6.22]\n\"And one who is situated in that condition, then,\" guruṇāpi duḥkhena, \"the severest type of miseries, offered to him, he is not shaken.\" He is steady. He is steady. Just like a five-year-old boy, Prahlāda Mahārāja, and his father, atheist: \"Oh, you rascal boy. You are chanting God's name? Who is God? I am God. Why don't you chant my name? If you don't do that, then I shall throw you in the fire.\" Oh, he is steady. He said, \"Father, I cannot do that,\" this little boy. \"You nonsense, you cannot do that? How do you dare to speak before me like this? Even the demigods, they are afraid of me.\" \"Oh, yes, father. By the mercy of whom you are speaking so nicely, so by the mercy of Him I am speaking also like that.\" \"Oh, I don't care for anyone's mercy.\"\nSo this is... And so much wrath of his severe father, oh, he is not... Steady. Steady. So that is the characteristic of a pure devotee. Even in the greatest difficulty, even in the greatest danger, he is not shaken; he is steady. Yaṁ labdhvā. This is... This is the perfection of yoga. When one is steady in every circumstances, that is the perfection of yoga. That can be achieved easily by this Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nyaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ\nmanyate nādhikaṁ tataḥ\nyasmin sthito guruṇāpi\nduḥkhena na vicālyate\n[Bg 6.22]\n[The stage of perfection is called trance, or samādhi, when one's mind is completely restrained from material mental activities by practice of yoga. This is characterized by one's ability to see the self by the pure mind and to relish and rejoice in the self. In that joyous state, one is situated in boundless transcendental happiness and enjoys himself through transcendental senses. Established thus, one never departs from the truth, and upon gaining this he thinks there is no greater gain. Being situated in such a position, one is never shaken, even in the midst of greatest difficulty. This indeed is actual freedom from all miseries arising from material contact.]\nSo here also we should not be aspiring after improving our material condition or liberation or anything. These are all desire. Desires. They say that \"desireless,\" but desire cannot be completely absent, because I am living entity. So my desire should be not to forget Kṛṣṇa. That's all, that one desire. That is real desire. And all other desires, they are foolish.\nSo we cannot be desireless, but we should desire only bona fide. Just like I am part and parcel of the Supreme. So if I desire to work in cooperation with the Supreme, that is my natural position. That is desirelessness. If you... Suppose in this material condition, if you desire to eat, oh, that is natural. So long you have got this body, you have to eat. If somebody says, \"Oh, you are desiring eating?\" Nobody says like that. Similarly, what is natural desire, that is permitted. And what is not natural, that is called \"become desireless.\" Don't desire like this, unnatural.\nSo desirelessness means not to desire unnatural thing. But to desire Kṛṣṇa's remembrance, that is natural. Because I am part and parcel, how can I forget? This forgetfulness is the cause of my so many desires. And as soon as I desire Kṛṣṇa, there will be no other desire. That is desirelessness.\nSo, prema-sukha-bhoga-mukhya prayojana haya. Prema-sukha. The happiness in the matter of our reciprocation as the whole and the part and parcel, that sense is the highest pleasure. That we should aspire after, not that by becoming Kṛṣṇa consciousness we may desire some material profit. That is not.\nveda-śāstre kahe sambandha, abhidheya, prayojana\nkṛṣṇa, kṛṣṇa-bhakti, prema—tina mahā-dhana\n[Cc Madhya 20.143]\n[In the Vedic literatures, Kṛṣṇa is the central point of attraction, and His service is our activity. To attain the platform of love of Kṛṣṇa is life’s ultimate goal. Therefore Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa’s service and love of Kṛṣṇa are the three great riches of life.]\nNow, we are aspiring after possessing something, possessiveness. What we should possess? The possession is Kṛṣṇa, and desire is reciprocation between Kṛṣṇa and myself, and the ultimate end is love. That's all. Just like we have got perverted reflection of that love here between the two lovers. They don't want anything. He wants she, and she wants he. That's all. That is desire, and their reciprocation of loving affairs and the ultimate end, that they are peaceful in love.\nThis is only perverted reflection of the real love, which is reciprocated with Kṛṣṇa. Here there is no possibility of love; this is all lust. But we call it love because it is just the reflection. Just a real... That is real, and this is unreal. Just like shadow and reality. There is gulf of difference between the shadow and reality. So whatever love we see in this world, that love is only a perverted reflection of that real love with Kṛṣṇa.\nvedādi sakala śāstre kṛṣṇa-mukhya sambandha\ntāṅra jñāne ānuṣaṅge yāya māyā-bandha\n[Cc Madhya 20.144]\n[In all revealed scriptures, beginning with the Vedas, the central point of attraction is Kṛṣṇa. When complete knowledge of Him is realized, the bondage of māyā, the illusory energy, is automatically broken.]\nSo a devotee is not anxious for liberation, because his intimate connection with Kṛṣṇa means he is liberated. One cannot be in intimate touch with Kṛṣṇa unless one is liberated. So liberation and intimate connection with Kṛṣṇa, the same thing.\nyeṣāṁ anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ\njanānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām\nte dvandva-moha-nirmuktā\nbhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ\n[Bg 7.28]\n[Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life, whose sinful actions are completely eradicated and who are freed from the duality of delusion, engage themselves in My service with determination.]\nYeṣām...\n[aside:] Have you got Bhagavad-gītā here? Yes. Just try to find out this śloka. I don't remember where it is. I think in the Eighth Chapter.\nyeṣāṁ anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ\njanānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām\nte dvandva-moha-nirmuktā\nbhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ\n[Bg 7.28]\nYeṣām. Yeṣām means those who are anta-gataṁ pāpam. Pāpam means sinful reaction, one who has surpassed all sinful reactions. Yeṣām anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ janānām. Such persons, puṇya-karmāṇam, who has have done never any sinful action but always engaged in the matter of pious activities, puṇya-karmāṇam, such persons can only devote himself fully in the service of the Lord, Kṛṣṇa.\n[aside:] Have you got it? What is that?",
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"content": "\n Yes. So to worship Kṛṣṇa steadfast means he is liberated from delusion. That is mukti. One who has got still some doubt—\"Why shall I worship Kṛṣṇa?\"—that means still in delusion, and still the reaction of his sinful life is not finished. A slight doubt means there is slight tinge still. And one who is dvandva-moha-nirmuktā [Bg 7.28], duality...\n[Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life, whose sinful actions are completely eradicated and who are freed from the duality of delusion, engage themselves in My service with determination.]\nDuality means \"Whether I shall do it or not? Whether I shall stick up to this process of Kṛṣṇa conscious or not?\" This is called duality. So one who is free from all these sinful reactions, he has no more duality. He has firm faith: \"Yes! Kṛṣṇa worship is the final.\"\nSo Kṛṣṇa worship means he is liberated already. Just like the same example: If a man is sitting on the high-court bench, it is to be understood that he has passed all educational qualification, and he is a good lawyer; therefore... There is no more necessity to ask, \"Whether you have passed M.A. examination or law examination?\" This is foolishness. Similarly, if one is, I mean to say, strictly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then it is to be understood that he is liberated.\nLiberation, the definition of liberation, is in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, mukti..., svarūpeṇa vyavasthitiḥ. Hitvā... Muktir hitvānyathā rūpaṁ svarūpeṇa vyavasthitiḥ [SB 2.10.6]. \n[The merging of the living entity, along with his conditional living tendency, with the mystic lying down of the Mahā-Viṣṇu is called the winding up of the cosmic manifestation. Liberation is the permanent situation of the form of the living entity after he gives up the changeable gross and subtle material bodies.]\nMukti means hitvā anyathā rūpam. Now we are now represented in different kinds of formalities. You have got a different kinds of idea; I have got different kinds of idea; another man has different from others. There are difference; therefore we are clashing each other. This is the sign of bondage. And mukti means when we are liberated from these different kinds of ideas, and svarūpeṇa vyavasthitiḥ, when we are situated in our constitutional position, that is called mukti, liberation.\nAnd what is our constitutional position? \"Oh, I am the part and parcel of the Supreme, Kṛṣṇa.\" Then what is my duty? Duty, part's duty, is to serve the whole. That's all. Just like your hand, the part of your body. What is the duty of hand? To serve the body. It is very easy thing. If you are part and parcel of the Supreme, then where is your duty? Your duty is to serve Him. You have no other duty.\nSo one who understands this firmly and convincingly, he is liberated. He is liberated. Oh, how can I say liberated? \"He is also now going to the office. He is dressing like ordinary man. What do you mean?\" Mukti means he will dress like something else or he will have four hands or eight legs? No. Simply change of consciousness, that's all.\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness means change of your consciousness. I am thinking, \"I am this matter. I have got so many duties with this material world.\" So when you change this consciousness—\"No, I belong to Kṛṣṇa. I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa; therefore whole energy should be for Kṛṣṇa\"—this is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Now I am applying all my energy to this material conception of life. When you apply your energy, your transcendental energy, to Kṛṣṇa, then you are liberated.\nTherefore a devotee of Kṛṣṇa, pure devotee of Kṛṣṇa, they are not hankering after Kṛṣṇa..., mukti. They say, muktiḥ mukulitāñjali sevate asmān [Kṛṣṇa-karṇāmṛta 107]:\n[If I am engaged in devotional service unto You, my dear Lord, then very easily can I perceive Your presence everywhere. And as far as liberation is concerned, I think that liberation stands at my door with folded hands, waiting to serve me-and all material conveniences of dharma [religiosity], artha [economic development] and kāma [sense gratification] stand with her.]\n\"Oh, the mukti lady is standing with folded hands, 'My dear sir, what can I do for you?' \" And devotee doesn't care. \"Oh, what can I [you] do for me? I don't want your help.\" There is a nice verse of Bilvamaṅgala Ṭhākura. He lived for seven hundred years in Vṛndāvana, and he was..., became a great devotee of Kṛṣṇa. In the beginning he was an impersonalist. His life is very nice. It is better to cite his life.\nHe was a South Indian brāhmaṇa, a very rich man and very much sensuous. He kept one prostitute. Prostitute. So he was so much, I mean to say, devoted to the prostitute that he was performing his father's, I mean to say, death ceremony and he was asking the priest, \"Please, haste. Please make haste. I have to go. I have to go.\" [indistinct] prostitute's house. So he was very rich man. Priestly, anyway, he finished that business. Then there was ceremony. He took very nice foodstuff in a bag, and he was going to that prostitute's house.\nBut when he came out of his home, oh, it was raining torrently. You see? So he never..., never cared for that raining. He went to the riverside. Oh, there was no boat, and it was, river was waving. The waves were very furious. And he thought that \"How can I go to the other side?\" He was daily going to the other side of the river. Then, anyway, he swimmed over, crossed over by swimming. Then the prostitute thought, \"Oh, it is today raining, and he may not come.\" So he [she] blocked the door and went to sleep. And when he came to the house he saw, \"Oh, the door is blocked,\" and it was raining still. \"So how can I go?\"\nSo he crossed over the wall by catching one snake. Just see how much intensely he was attached. And he went to the prostitute, and she was astonished: \"Well, Bilvamaṅgala\"—his name was Bilvamaṅgala—\"how do you dare to come here like this?\" Oh, he described, \"Yes. I did this, I did this, I did this, I did this.\" Oh, the prostitute was astonished. His name was..., her name was Cintāmaṇi. So the prostitute said, \"My dear Bilvamaṅgala, if you have got so intense love for me, oh, had it been for God, for Kṛṣṇa, how would have been, your life, sublime.\" Oh, that struck him: \"Yes.\" He at once left and went away: \"Yes, you are right.\"\nThen he was [going to] Vṛndāvana. He saw another beautiful woman, because he was practiced to that habit. So he was going behind. Although he determined, \"Now I am going to Vṛndāvana,\" on the way he was again attracted by another woman. So he followed that woman. That woman belonged to a respectable family. So he came, and the woman said to his..., to her husband, \"Oh, this man is following me. Please ask, 'What is the idea?' \"\nSo the husband asked, \"My dear sir, you appear to be very nice gentleman, and you belong to very aristocratic family. From your appearances I understand. What do you want? Why you are following my wife?\" He said, \"Yes, I am following wife because I want to embrace her.\" \"Oh, you want to embrace? Come on. Embrace. Come on. You are welcome. Come on.\" So the wife also... She [he] ordered, \"Oh, here is a guest. He wants to embrace you and kiss you. So please decorate yourself nicely so that he may enjoy.\"\nSo the wife also followed the instruction of the husband, because wife's duty is to follow the instruction. And when Bilvamaṅgala came inside before the woman, he said, \"My dear mother, will you kindly give your hairpin?\" \"Yes. Why?\" \"I have got some business.\" Then he took the hairpin and at once pierced his eyes: \"Oh, this eye is my enemy.\" And he became blind. He became blind. Then all of them... \"That's all right. Now no more I shall be disturbed.\"\nSo in that blindness he was penancing, austerity in Vṛndāvana. So by the grace of Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa came like a boy: \"Oh, My dear sir, why you are starving? Why don't you take some milk?\" \"Oh, who are You, my dear boy?\" \"Oh, I am a boy of this village. I am a cowherd boy. If you like, I can give you daily some milk.\" \"All right. Very good.\" So Kṛṣṇa was suppling him milk. So there was friendship.\nAnd he has written that bhakti is such a thing that muktiḥ mukulitāñjali sevate asmān: \"Mukti, mukti is nothing for me.\" So this is his verse, muktiḥ mukulitāñjali sevate asmān: \"So we have no desire for mukti. When Kṛṣṇa comes to supply milk, oh, then what is the use of my mukti?\" You see? That's a great soul, Bilvamaṅgala Ṭhākura. It is worth to remember his name. For seven hundred years he lived in Vṛndāvana, and he has written a nice book which is Kṛṣṇa-karṇāmṛta. That is a very authoritative book, Kṛṣṇa-karṇāmṛta. Lord Caitanya picked up this book, and He recommended all His devotees to read that Kṛṣṇa-karṇāmṛta book.\nThank you very much.",
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"content": "\n So now you come here. You have given... There is no āsana, sitting? Give him one piece of... So I shall perform this initiation ceremony. If you kindly sit, you can see. [break]\nI am traveling everywhere. Next I am going to San Francisco. But my disciples, they will stay here. This Gaurasundara dāsa, Mr. Gary, he will live here with his wife. Yes. So temple, if people come, that is temple. You see? That is temple. And if we, suppose, construct a huge building and nobody comes, then what is the use of spending money?\nWe are not after such thing. But if somebody has got money, he wants to construct temple, it is welcome. We can give nice plan how to do it. In India there are Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa temples, just like one temple is as good as a big fort. They spend so much. You see? But here also, in your country, there are many big churches.\nSo people, formerly they were religiously inclined. So either Christian, Muhammadan or Hindus or anyone, they were constructing temple, churches, mosques. But that mentality is now gone. You see? They will spend lots of money for a skyscraper building to get income, and temple is called nonproductive building. You see?\nThey do not wish to engage their money in nonproductive thing because they have become economic. But that is a wrong theory. You see? That economic means forgetting God. And that means, I mean to say, animal life. If by becoming a human being he becomes an animal, if he thinks that he has become economical, that is not very sane conclusion.\nSo godless means animal. The animals, they do not know how to create a church or temple or mosque. The mosque or temple or church, they are done in the human society. So when the human society forgets this responsibility from economic point of view, that means they degrade to the animal life.\n[pause] Now you can chant, those who are initiated.\n[leads chanting of oṁ apavitraḥ prayers]\nnama apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bahyābhyantara-śuciḥ\nśrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\n[break] ...Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Then take another bead, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare.\nIn this way you come to this end. Don't cross this summit. Again begin from this end. In this way chant daily sixteen rounds. One round, two round, three round, four round, fifth round, like that.\nAnd you have noted down the rules and regulation? Yes. And the ten kinds of offenses to give up, chanting? Yes. And your Godbrothers will help you. Your... I don't think there is name, any Balabhadra?",
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"content": "\nSo your spiritual name is Balabhadra. Just bow down.\n[Balabhadra repeating each word]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nAll right, take your beads and be happy, and Balabhadra dāsa brahmacārī. Is that all right? [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Balabhadra and Balarāma are two different names, Kṛṣṇa's eldest brother. Now chant... No. We have to perform. Yes. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Chant your beads. Give me lamp.\n[break] This boy was chanting automatically, so there is no question of waiting for sixteen years [chuckles].\nAny child, even we have seen dancing; sometimes dogs are also dancing. In Tompkinson Square in New York, when I was chanting, oh, so many children, dogs and everything.\nThis is for me? All right. First of all give him. You take some. All right. [end]",
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"content": "\n I have just brought you some Mango.",
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"content": "\nOhhh, Hawaii Mango?",
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"content": "\n Yes. This is nice kind.",
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"content": "\nOh? Fruits and flowers. And this morning, Śyāmā devī sent something. [laughs] So our... That Sai is keeping all right?",
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"content": "\n He is doing very nice.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] coming later. [indistinct]. Any sincere soul trying to serve Kṛṣṇa, he'll profit. There is no doubt. Simply sincerity wanted. Satya śamo dama titikṣa ārjavam [Bg. 18.42]. Ārjavam means without any duplicity. Then, his advancment Kṛṣṇa consciousness assured. Kṛṣṇa is very intelligent; He is sitting within. You cannot cheat Him. [laughs]\nThat is not possible. You cannot surpass Him in any way. That is ignorance. And He is the supreme; He surpasses anyone's intelligence. If we want to play a trick with Kṛṣṇa, He understands everything. Vedāhaṁ samatītāni [Bg. 7.26]: \"I know everything.\" Māṁ tu veda na kaścana: \"I know everyone, but nobody knows Me.\" That is the statement. So anyone who wants to serve Kṛṣṇa sincerely, his place is secure, [indistinct ].\nSo here have you got some tulasī?",
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"content": "\n I have a whole sackful.",
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"content": "\n I have a whole bag full. I brought them.",
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"content": "\nEh. But can..., can they be planted here?",
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"content": "\n I didn't bring the plant, I brought the bag. They don't have any plants? They died? They disappeared?",
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"content": "\nDuring winter. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n They have..., I have gotten letters from very cold climates, from Seattle. One boy says he has a three-foot-high one.",
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"content": "\nAnd they are following their instructions?",
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"content": "\n I think so. I got a letter saying they water too much.",
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"content": "\nSo you... [indistinct]. There are so many boys and girls, some of them must taking care. You teach them. You have done a tremendous service to the Society by introducing tulasī plants. It will be creditable in history—very good service.",
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"content": "\n She just grew.",
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"content": "\n She just grew. [laughs] I didn't introduce her; she just grew.",
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"content": "\nAh.",
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"content": "\n This big. One boy just came from India.",
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"content": "\n Just some boy, hippie. He said that in all of India he hadn't seen such huge tulasī plants. I was surprised, because I thought they were...",
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"content": "\nThere is, in Vṛndāvana.",
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"content": "\n This big around, and [indistinct] is in the sun. But in the sun, there is [indistinct], in the shady areas.",
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"content": "\nIt is a tropical plant.",
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"content": "\n But they have lights, artificial lights...",
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"content": "\nI have seen in London, John Lennon's house, Titten..., Tittenhurst? Tittenhurst. Tittenhurst Garden. What is \"Titten\"? Some name?",
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"content": "\nAnd \"hurst\"?",
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"content": "\nTittenhurst Garden. So he has got artificial form, electricity, for growing some plants.",
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"content": "\nHe has got a gardener, expert gardener, one man. He was feeding the ashes.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] plants.",
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"content": "\nThat gardener. All are master gardener. So some way or other tulasī plants must be in every center. Now it is tested. Seattle it is growing.",
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"content": "\n It is much colder in Seattle than in Los Angeles.",
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"content": "\nStill it is growing. Why not?",
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"content": "\n Really!",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nOh. You sent it? No.",
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"content": "\n I sent the seeds and the instructions.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nAh, they have no seeds?",
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"content": "\n Ah, we have lots of seeds. We have to cut the flowers off every day, or else there will be seeds. We have so many tulasī plants we don't know where to put them.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nI will find that.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n They are this close together.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nAh. That's fine.",
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"content": "\n Gaurasundara won't let me dig up the front yard, though. I want to dig up the whole front yard [laughs] and make it all tulasī.\n We have on the hill, we planted tulasī.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nAh.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Yeah.\n There's on another property.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nAh.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n We're planting them on the hill.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nJust there?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Yes.\n To get them growing wild. To get them started growing wild.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nAh.",
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"content": "\n So they will start taking over, you know. Because they spread their seed profusely, everywhere.\n They're overcrowding us.\n You see, whenever the seeds ripened they all fell, and I didn't know that, and I came out one day and there were about 300 baby tulasī.",
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"content": "\n[laughs]",
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"content": "\n [laughs] And they were, you know, this close together. So I transplanted some of them, and I don't have places to transplant them all.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nSo now you have to find out place. And then, you have got another place?",
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"content": "\n Well, there's a hill which is behind the temple, which is not used by anyone.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nSo you can, you can...",
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"content": "\n So we are trying to make it take over.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n Planting them wild. But we water them every day.",
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"content": "\nYou can send tulasī leaves dried to every center. That will be made for offering.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Dried?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Sun-dried?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes, why not? Transcendental subject.",
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"content": "\n [sighs]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nThere is no question of dry or green.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n I have brought a big bag of fresh ones for you...",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nAh.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n ...this time. I could have brought a plant, but I didn't know that they didn't have any.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nOh. Is this sārī got from India?",
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"content": "\n No, it was given to me by someone.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHere? No.",
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"content": "\n In Hawaii.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nIn Hawaii. From Indian?",
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"content": "\n No, I think it was one of the Haiku…, Sai's group.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nOh.",
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"content": "\n It is American cloth, [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nOh.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n It is very late. I couldn't get an earlier plane.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nEh?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n I couldn't get an earlier plane.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nSo that's all right.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n I don't want to keep you from taking rest.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nSo your father is funding his daughter? He's being utilized. Your father is gathering some bhakti seeds.",
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"content": "\n [laughs]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYou're doing service to your father. Hmm.",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nEh?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n [about Prabhupāda's servants] They want to know if there's anything else.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nThat's all.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n [pays obeisances]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nSo where is [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n I don't know; I've just got here.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHuh?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n She just arrived now.\n I haven't talked to anyone except Safa. Siddha-svarūpa is doing nicely.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nEh?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Siddha-svarūpa is doing nicely.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nAh.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Everyone is doing nicely.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nNow then let it grow everywhere. One, that Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Hmm.",
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"content": "\nBoth husband and wife very nice, very intelligent. Intelligent, very nice wife. The wife is engaged in Deity worship. Oh, Kṛṣṇa... Unless one is pure in heart, he cannot come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nyeṣāṁ anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ\njanānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām\nte dvandva-moha-nirmuktā\nbhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ\n[Bg. 7.28]\nThis is the version of Bhagavad-gītā. One who is completely free from the contamination of material sins, yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ. Pāpaṁ means sin; anta-gataṁ, finished, all gone. Te, such persons, dvandva-moha-nirmuktā. Dvandva. Dvandva means duality. Nirmuktā. \nDvandva-moha-nirmuktā knows that everything is display of Kṛṣṇa's energy. Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa's energy, Kṛṣṇa's part and parcel, Kṛṣṇa's expansion, Kṛṣṇa's plenary portions, incarnation—everything Kṛṣṇa—one can understand when one is freed from all material sins. Te dvandva-moha. This is moha. Moha means to misunderstand that there is anything without Kṛṣṇa. That is moha, illusion.\nAnd when one knows that anything I see, this is Kṛṣṇa's, display of Kṛṣṇa's energy... Just like sunlight: anything in the material world, it is sunlight, due to sunlight. That is scientific. This flower is growing—how it is a different color? This green flower, only [indistinct], and red flower, it is all due to sunlight, reaction of different position of sunlight making this color in the world.\nAnyone can understand it is scientific: heat and light from the sun is the cause of material cosmic rays. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa has two energies: spiritual energy and material energy. And manifestation of His two energies, two energies is the whole creation.\nSo one who understands this is scientific. Dvandva-moha-nirmuktā: there is no more duality. This is oneness, everything. But at the same time this flower is Kṛṣṇa, but Kṛṣṇa is not there. The material world is Kṛṣṇa's, but Kṛṣṇa is not there. Kṛṣṇa is in the spiritual world.\nte dvandva-moha-nirmuktā\nbhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ\n[Bg. 7.28]\nSo, go on. Somehow or other you have got some touch with Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Develop it by service, that's all, and life is success—all problems solved. So try to assimilate and distribute. With these two, give better service. And assimilate without problem; act nice. Without assimilation one cannot distribute. So even if one does not know how to distribute, he can assimilate personally.\nSo we have got a nice center in Paris also. And Moscow I have been. Many young boys are entering our service, and the government is so demoniac. Always spying, police. Anyone respectable they will ask, \"What is your document, you are here? Where is your document?\" If you cannot produce any satisfactory document, immediately there will be jail. They are so rascal.\nAnd you cannot live in your own way. You cannot get even foodstuff to your choice. You have to accept whatever the government supplies. This is the position. And simply Lenin, Lenin, Lenin. Lenin is their Kṛṣṇa. Not that they want Lenin, but they are being forced. Śyāmasundara was telling that Lenin's face is just like Satan, as described in Kṛṣṇa book. [chuckles] He is a Satan, granted. I don't think he has given any contribution to his country, simply goondaism. Hmm? What is called, goondaism? Called guṇḍā.",
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"content": "\n Aggrand... Aggrandizement.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nAggrandizement, of course. Outlaws—is that the proper name? Outlaws?",
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"content": "\n Ruffians?",
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"content": "\nRuffian, yes. Guṇḍā—ruffian. Yes. So he was a ruffian. What good thing can he do? He killed the whole family, royal family. One of the daughters of the king, she was supposed to be the most beautiful of the world, and she begged and excused for her life, and she was killed. That is the history of Lenin. So merciless. And in this way they established the Communist government.\nI don't think that they have got any contribution to the world. What contribution they have? Huh? Any good contribution except ruffianism? What contribution, good contribution? No philosophy, no wise [indistinct]. That is not a very good contribution, not at all. Their contribution is ruffianism, that's all. By ruffianism they have overthrown the royalty, monarchy.\nThat's all. But so far their contribution… All buildings, big buildings, they were old buildings; they were constructed by the royal order. They have not produced. They have constructed some few skyscrapers recently, we saw [indistinct].\nThat is also in long term. They have become liberal… Not liberal; they have not so much strict. We are now allowed to be in Moscow. Formerly we were not allowed. But the country, the city is very nice. Better than the Western European cities. But Paris has got still more magnificent buildings. There is a place, Concorde, wonderful buildings all round. You have traveled, Paris?",
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"content": "\n Maybe, [indistinct] Paris. I don't remember.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYou have been only in England?",
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"content": "\n No, I have traveled, in Paris, all the countries of Europe except Spain.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nMoscow?",
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"content": "\n No, just Europe, Western Europe.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHmm?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Just Western Europe.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n And Turkey and Greece and Czechoslovakia. Then it was open.",
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"content": "\nHmm. Istanbul. You have been in Istanbul? That is in Turkey. They say that Istanbul is nice city.",
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"content": "\n It is full of mosques.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nEh?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n It is full of mosques.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nMosques?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Mosques.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nOh!",
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"content": "\n Mosques, the Muslim mosques.",
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"content": "\nYes, I see. There in Moscow also, the churches are mosque-like. That means Muslim culture is there formerly.",
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"content": "\n It is very late, Śrīla Prabhupāda.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHmm.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n It is very late.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nSo, what you are taking at night?",
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"content": "\nWhat is that? Prasādam?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n You see, for me, it is not even eight o'clock yet.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nEh?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n For me it is only 7.45.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nOh! It is not eating time?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n It is 7.45 in the evening. [laughs]",
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"content": "\nYou have to wait three hours more. All right, so give her prasādam.\n[devotees offer obeisances] [chants japa]\nSo what shall I give Govinda dasi? I shall give you something. Take this.",
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"content": "\n Thank you.",
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"content": "\n[laughs] It is poison.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n [laughs] What is it?",
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"content": "\nPoison.",
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"content": "\n No, I don't believe that. Is this tulasī, the temple's?\n It is…",
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"content": "\nCardamom.",
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"content": "\n Cardamom seeds.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n You eat them whole?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHmm?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n You eat them whole?",
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"content": "\nYes. Why not? Take off the skin and taste. The seed is very nice. That is all right. Now enjoy. Break or chew the seeds, it is very nice. It is digestive.",
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"content": "\n I use it for cooking.",
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"content": "\nFlavor your mouth. If one has got bad flavor, this is conteract. Hmm. [break] [end]",
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"content": "\n[chants maṅgalācaraṇa prayers]\noṁ ajñāna-timirāndhasya\njñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena\ntasmai śrī-gurave namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who with the torchlight of knowledge has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance.]\nśrī-caitanya-mano-'bhīṣṭaṁ\nsthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale\nsvayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ\ndadāti sva-padāntikam\n[When will Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet?]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho\ndīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta\nrādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi\nrādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devi\npraṇamāmi hari-priye\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\n[00:59]\nBoys and girls, today I shall explain to you the importance of Kṛṣṇa consciousness as it was conceived by one of the greatest devotees in this disciplic succession. You know we are under disciplic succession. We do not manufacture anything by mental concoction. We do not approve that method. We receive knowledge from the authorities, and out of such many ācāryas, or authorities, who have appeared and disappeared... We don't say born and died. No. [laughter] Appear and disappear. This is the actual explanation.\nNone of us, either Kṛṣṇa or we or all living entities, they appear and disappear. It is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, Lord Kṛṣṇa says in the battlefield, \"My dear Arjuna, either you or Me or all the kings and soldiers who have assembled in this battlefield, don't think that they did not exist in the past and they'll not exist in the future.\" That means they existed in the past and they're existing at present and they would exist also in the future. That means eternal. Eternal. We are all eternal.\nBut this misunderstanding is... Just like we are... Because the passing phase is this body, and the body is changing, and the final change, when you transmigrate from one body to another, it is called death. Actually, there is no death. Na jāyate na mriyate kadācit [Bg. 2.20]. \n[For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.]\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find that the living entity never is born, neither never dies. Na hanyamāne hanyate, hanyamāne śarīre. Then, \"I see that he is dying.\" Oh, that is dying not; that is his finishing his this present body. The example is given, vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya [Bg. 2.22]. \n[As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, similarly, the soul accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.]\nJust like one person changes his dress, similarly, when this dress, the present body, is unworkable...\nJust like one man cannot see. What do you mean by \"cannot see\"? When the power of vision is no longer working or the spectacle is broken, therefore he cannot see. Similarly, when the all the senses will be broken or cannot work... Just like eye cannot..., the eyes cannot work, therefore it is blind, similarly, the hand cannot work, the leg cannot work, the tongue cannot work, because at the last stage when this mechanical arrangement of this body will stop to function, that is called death.\nThat you try to understand, that as..., because I cannot see, it does not mean I am dead. Similarly, because these senses of the body cannot function does not mean that I am dead. It is to be understood with little intelligence and with cool head.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja, a great devotee, he's in the line of disciplic succession. He's considered one of the great ācāryas, an authority, ācārya. And who is ācārya? Ācārya means one who knows the intricacies of Vedic knowledge, and he personally behaves in terms of that knowledge and teaches his disciple in terms of that knowledge.\nĀcārya means the person whose behavior is to be followed. Not that as we follow somebody according to our taste. Not like that. That ācārya comes in the standard disciplic succession. So ācārya. So this Prahlāda Mahārāja..., we are discussing the instruction of Prahlāda Mahārāja because he happens to be one of the stalwart ācāryas. And the names of such ācāryas, authorized ācāryas, are also mentioned in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nSo who are they? Svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ [SB 6.3.20]. \n[Lord Brahmā, Bhagavān Nārada, Lord Śiva, the four Kumāras, Lord Kapila [the son of Devahūti], Svāyambhuva Manu, Prahlāda Mahārāja, Janaka Mahārāja, Grandfather Bhīṣma, Bali Mahārāja, Śukadeva Gosvāmī and I myself know the real religious principle. My dear servants, this transcendental religious principle, which is known as bhāgavata-dharma, or surrender unto the Supreme Lord and love for Him, is uncontaminated by the material modes of nature. It is very confidential and difficult for ordinary human beings to understand, but if by chance one fortunately understands it, he is immediately liberated, and thus he returns home, back to Godhead.]\nSvayambhuḥ means Brahmā. Brahmā is supposed to be born without any material father and mother. Therefore he is called Svayambhuḥ. He is the only living creature within this universe who is born without the father and mother. How it is? Without the father and mother means this material father and mother.\nBut he has his father. His father is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Nārāyaṇa. And he's born out of the lotus flower which is grown from the abdomen of Nārāyaṇa. Therefore he's called Svayambhuḥ. Svayambhuḥ means self-manifested. Because before him, there was no existence of material creation. Therefore he is called Svayambhuḥ.\nAnd next is Nārada. Svayambhūr nāradaḥ. Nārada is born out of Brahmā. Svayambhūr nāradaḥ and śambhuḥ. Śambhuḥ is also born of Brahmā. Śambhuḥ means Lord Śiva. So he is also one of the ācāryas. Svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ [SB 6.3.20]. Kumāraḥ means...\nThese Kumāras, they are also sons of Brahmā, but they are called Kumāras, brahmacārīs. When they were born... Because Brahmā wanted at that time to create living entities to fulfill the whole universe, so he wanted so many sons and grandsons. So he requested his four Kumāra sons, \"My dear boys, you get yourself married and increase generation.\"\nBut the Kumāras, they said, \"My dear father, we are not going to marry. We are not going to be entangled in this material way of life. We shall remain as brahmacārī and cultivate Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" Oh, the father was very angry. \"Oh, you are refusing my order?\" So when he became angry... Angry means that is Rudra. So from that anger Lord Śiva was born. Therefore he is called Rudra. And he was Rudra, his name was Rudra, because he was crying from the very beginning of his birth. So anyway, Rudra is also one of the authorities, Rudra, or Lord Śiva.\nSvayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kumāraḥ kapilaḥ. Kapila is the son of Devahūti, and He's also considered as the incarnation of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kapilaḥ kumāraḥ manuḥ. And manuḥ, manuḥ means the father of the mankind. From manuḥ, the word man is derived, or, in Sanskrit word, manuṣya. So in Latin and Sanskrit, man, manuṣya, and manuḥ, they are almost on the same level.\nSo svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kapilo kumāraḥ manuḥ, then prahlādo janako bhīṣmaḥ. So now this Prahlāda's name comes. Prahlāda's name comes. Prahlāda and Janaka, the great king, Janaka, whose daughter was married to Lord Rāmacandra, Jānakī. Therefore, Sītā's name is Jānakī, daughter of Mahārāja Janaka. So he is also a great authority.\nPrahlādo janako bhīṣmaḥ, and Bhīṣma, you have heard the name of Bhīṣma, the grandfather of Arjuna. He is also one of the authorities. And, prahlādo janako bhīṣmo balir, Mahārāja Bali, a king. He was a grandson of this Prahlāda Mahārāja. He became mahājana. All these persons, they became authorities by their exemplary character for advancing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nTherefore they are considered as authorities. So, balir vaiyāsakir vayam. Vaiyāsakiḥ means the son of Vyāsadeva, Śukadeva Gosvāmī. He's also authority. And vayam, it is, this statement is made by Yamarāja, the controller of sinful activities—superintendent of police, appointed by Kṛṣṇa. So he is also one of the authorities. How you can deny the superintendent of police as authority? As he is also authority in the state, similarly he is also authority.\nSo one of the authorities, Prahlāda Mahārāja, we are speaking today about his instruction. And what is the history of Prahlāda Mahārāja? Prahlāda Mahārāja born in the family of a great atheist. His father was a great atheist, Hiraṇyakaśipu. Hiraṇya means gold, and kaśipu means enjoyment in soft bedding. So he was concerned with two things, money and, next, sense enjoyment.\nSo that was his business, and he wanted to train his boy in that way. But fortunately, this boy happened to be a great devotee by instruction of Nārada. So this boy, although born in the family of atheist—his father is great atheist—but because he was bestowed benediction by a great devotee, Nārada, he became a great devotee.\nNow he took the opportunity of spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness where? In his school. In his school. He was five years old boy, and as soon as he would get opportunity he would spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness to his class fellows. That was his business. And so many times the father of Prahlāda Mahārāja called the teachers, \"So, what education you are giving to my child? Why he is chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa? [laughter] Why you are spoiling my boy?\" [laughter] You see? So don't think that I am spoiling these boys and girls by teaching them Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nSo that teacher said, \"My dear sir, I teach your son very nicely about politics, economics, and as you want, to become very clever man in the material world. But unfortunately I do not know wherefrom your son has learned this Hare Kṛṣṇa. So please excuse me. I am trying to make your son forget this nonsense Hare Kṛṣṇa, but I do not know; by nature, he chants Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, and not only he's spoiling himself, he's spoiling my whole school. [laughter] Because as soon as he chants Hare Kṛṣṇa, all the boys join with him, and they clap and they dance. So this is going on.\" So he's teaching his class fellows now. Kaumāra ācaret prājño dharmān bhāgavatān iha [SB 7.6.1].\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: One who is sufficiently intelligent should use the human form of body from the very beginning of life—in other words, from the tender age of childhood—to practice the activities of devotional service, giving up all other engagements. The human body is most rarely achieved, and although temporary like other bodies, it is meaningful because in human life one can perform devotional service. Even a slight amount of sincere devotional service can give one complete perfection.]\nNow, this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam which is in this table, this book is a great, grand edition of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Each verse contains eight commentaries by great stalwart devotees. They represent different disciplic succession of devotee. They are... There are four authorized disciplic succession. As I have already mentioned that Brahmā is one of the authorities, similarly, he has got a disciplic succession from Brahmā. From Brahmā to Nārada, from Nārada to Vyāsadeva, from Vyāsadeva to Madhvācārya, from Madhvācārya to Mad... I am making shortcut.\nFrom Madhvācārya to Mādhavendra Purī, from Mādhavendra Purī to Īśvara Purī, from Īśvara Purī to Lord Caitanya, from Lord Caitanya to Svarūpa Dāmodara, from Svarūpa Dāmodara to six Gosvāmīs—Rūpa Gosvāmī, Sanātana Gosvāmī—from Gosvāmīs to Kṛṣṇadasa Kavirāja Gosvāmī, the author of Caitanya-caritāmṛta, and from him Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, and from Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, Viśvanātha Cakravartī, from Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura to Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, from Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī to Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, from Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura to Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja, and from Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī my spiritual master, and then we are descended.",
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"content": "\n In this way, the disciplic succession is coming. And what is the specific condition or what is the significance of the disciplic succession? The disciplic succession, if you receive knowledge from the descendants of these authorities, or disciplic succession, then you get the perfect knowledge. Perfect knowledge. Perfect knowledge is imparted by the Supreme Perfect, God.\nAnd it is received by Brahmā, and the same knowledge is handed over to Nārada. Nārada hands over to Vyāsadeva, Vyāsadeva hands over to... Just like a ripe fruit on the top of the tree, if it falls down all of a sudden, it is destroyed. But if it is handed over from up to down, down, down, then it comes as it is. As it is. Then you can enjoy the reality. And that is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā.\nIn the Fourth Chapter, those who have read Bhagavad-gītā, you'll find that Kṛṣṇa says, imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam [Bg. 4.1]\n[The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.]\n\"First of all, I spoke this yoga system to Vivasvān.\" Vivasvān is the name of the controlling deity in the sun planet. There is also a president. As we have got many presidents, in the other higher planetary systems there is one president, and some of them is called the moon-god or the sun-god or the Varuṇa, according to Vedic languages. They have got...\nSuch post can be occupied by you also, if you become qualified. Just like you can become the president. Similarly, you can also occupy the predominating post in the sun planet, in the moon planet and all the other planets. That is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā, devān deva-yājo yānti [Bg. 7.23]\n[Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet.]\nThat anyone who aspires after to be elevated to such planetary system which is inhabited by the demigods, they can go.\nSo anyway, that is a different story. So Kṛṣṇa says that \"First of all, I narrated this yoga system to Vivasvān.\" Vivasvān means the predominating deity whose name is Vivasvān, Vivasvān. He was instructed Bhagavad-gītā. And He says, vivasvān manave prāha [Bg. 4.1]:\n[The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.]\n\"And Vivasvān, this gentleman, he spoke the truth about Bhagavad-gītā to Manu.\"\nWe have already mentioned the name of Manu. Manu means the father of the mankind. Vivasvān manave prāha, that means the..., from sun planet the message of Bhagavad-gītā was handed down to the chief man of this planet, the father of the mankind, Manu. Just like in your scripture also it is said Adam and Eve, similarly Manu.\nSo vivasvān manave prāha manur ikṣvākave 'bravit. And Manu handed over this knowledge to his son whose name is Ikṣvāku. This Ikṣvāku, he's also a great king. He happens to be the original king in the family in which Lord Rāmacandra appeared. So it is called sūrya-vaṁśa, the descendant from the sun. There are two classes of kṣatriyas. The one is coming from the sun planet, another is coming down from the moon planet.\nSo the history, Mahābhārata, says that the Indo-European stock, they also belong to this kṣatriya family. That is..., that's a long history. Now this, this paramparā system... This Vivasvān handed over the knowledge to Manu, Manu handed over this knowledge to his son, Ikṣvāku.\nAnd Kṛṣṇa says in the next verse, evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg. 4.2].\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\nIn this way, this knowledge was received by disciplic succession, and all the rājarṣis... Rājarṣi means the monarch who is just like a sage. You'll get... In the history of Mahābhārata there were many kings. They were all sages. Simply they were, by name, they're monarch. But they were always thinking for the welfare of the citizens. Just like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira. So this is the...\nNow Kṛṣṇa says, sa kāleneha yogaḥ naṣṭaḥ parantapa. Sa kāleneha yogo naṣṭaḥ parantapa. Now this paramparā system, or disciplic succession, has broken by the influence of time. Just imagine it was coming down from the sun planet, and... It is..., there is every possibility.\nSuppose I, if I hand over some knowledge unto you and you hand over to some other, in succession, there is possibility that the exact knowledge which I delivered at the beginning, there may be some deviation. That is called breakage of the paramparā system. So Kṛṣṇa says, \"That paramparā system is, by the,\" I mean to say, \"force of time, it is now broken; therefore I again begin that paramparā system with you, Arjuna.\"\nTherefore if we understand Bhagavad-gītā as it was understood by Arjuna, then we get the real knowledge. That is the way of understanding paramparā. Although we are not present before Kṛṣṇa, but if the message of Kṛṣṇa is received through the paramparā system as it was understood by Arjuna, then we get directly the message from Kṛṣṇa. This is the system. But if I interpret in my own way, then the paramparā system is broken.\nSo our this paramparā system from Lord Caitanya, as we have given account just now, we do not manufacture any knowledge by our fertile brain. We accept knowledge as it is coming down from the supreme authority. That is the process of... That is perfect knowledge. That is perfect knowledge. Just like we receive knowledge from our parents, \"This is called lamp, this is called table, this is called book.\" If you protest against it, \"Why shall I call it book? I may call it something else,\" you can do that, but that is deviation from the knowledge.\nSo paramparā system is considered to be perfect system of knowledge. Perfect... I may be imperfect or my disciple may be imperfect, but if you stick to the knowledge coming down from the paramparā system, then I am perfect. It is so simple, nice thing. Just like a child. His parent teaches him, \"This is called watch, timekeeper, timepiece.\"\nIf he accepts it, he hasn't got to make a research, that \"Why it is called timepiece?\" [laughter] It is very easy system. \"My father has told me this is timepiece. I accept it as timepiece,\" and everyone will understand that this is a timepiece. But if I manufacture some name out of my fertile brain, \"This is this,\" oh, people will call me crazy: \"What you are saying?\"\nSo the paramparā system is very nice and... Just like, man is mortal. Man is mortal, I have learned it from my parents or my teachers that man is mortal. Now, if you want to make research worker..., work whether man is mortal or not, it will take long, long time. But you accept it from the authorities, \"Man is mortal,\" your knowledge is perfect.\nSo this paramparā system of knowledge is given in the Vedic system of knowledge, and this system of knowledge is followed by the great ācāryas, and the Prahlāda Mahārāja is one of the great ācāryas. So you try to accept what Prahlāda Mahārāja is advising to his class fellows.\nSo what he's advising? Kaumāra ācaret prājño. Kaumāra ācaret prājño dharmān bhāgavatān iha [SB 7.6.1]. \n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: One who is sufficiently intelligent should use the human form of body from the very beginning of life—in other words, from the tender age of childhood—to practice the activities of devotional service, giving up all other engagements. The human body is most rarely achieved, and although temporary like other bodies, it is meaningful because in human life one can perform devotional service. Even a slight amount of sincere devotional service can give one complete perfection.]\nHe's advising, \"My dear friends, Kṛṣṇa consciousness should be practiced from the childhood.\" From the childhood. So, why childhood? Because if one is intelligent... He says prājñaḥ. Prājñaḥ means intelligent. If one is intelligent, he can understand that \"There is no certainty whether this is my childhood or old age.\" Because generally we think that when we are old we die. But who can say that I'm not old enough to die in the next moment?\nIf I have to gain something supernatural which will give me the ultimate benefit of my life, then why shall I wait for old age? Immediately let us begin. If Kṛṣṇa consciousness is very nice thing and if it will give us the highest benediction of my life, then if I am intelligent, then I must begin it immediately, without any delay. Because generally people think that childhood or youthhood should be, I mean to say, enjoyed.\nThe Śaṅkarācārya, he was passing on the road and he's singing. He was lamenting, what is that? Balas tavad krida sakta: \"Oh, all these boys are playing.\" Generally, when you pass a road you see the boys are playing, very much busy, and they're very jolly in playing. Bālas tāvad krīḍāsaktas taruṇas tāvad taruṇī raktaḥ: \"And young boys, they're after young girls.\" You see?\nTaruṇas tāvad taruṇī-rakto vṛddhas tāvad anta-magnaḥ. \"And the old man, they are very much morose, 'What is to be done next?' \" Parame brahmaṇi ko 'pi na lagnaḥ. \"Oh, everyone is busy. Nobody's interested in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, spiritual life. Everyone is busy. How they are spoiling their life!\" That is the version of Śaṅkarācārya.\nHe's lamenting that the boys, the youths, the old man, they are very happy in their materialistic way of life, but a spiritualistic man like Śaṅkarācārya or Lord Jesus Christ, they are unhappy: \"Oh, what foolish things they are doing.\" That is the, I mean to say, thankless task of persons who are spiritually enlightened. They can see it plain that how they are spoiling their valuable life, simply for sense gratification.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja is practically instructed the same thing, that kaumāra ācaret prājño dharmān bhāgavatān [SB 7.6.1]. Dharmān bhāgavatān iha. Bhāgavatān dharmaḥ. Dharma means your occupational duty. The \"religion,\" word \"religion,\" translation of the Sanskrit word dharma, is not perfect. Is not perfect. Religion is a kind of faith. That we can change. But dharma, dharma means your occupational duty. You cannot change. You have to execute it.\nWhat is our dharma? What is our compulsory duty? I have several times analyzed this fact. Our compulsory duty is to serve. Compulsory duty. Every one of us is serving, and all the boys and girls present here can know it. And nobody can deny that he or she is not serving. Everyone is serving. That is our compulsory duty.\nI may change my faith. I am Christian or I am Hindu; I may change myself to become a Muhammadan or Christian or Hindu. But my real occupational duty to render service to others, that cannot be changed. That is the real enunciation of religion. And therefore in the Vedic system it is called sanātana-dharma. Sanātana-dharma means that eternal occupational duty which you cannot cease.\nNow, Prahlāda Mahārāja is advising that dharmān bhāgavatān. Bhāgavatān means... Bhāgavata means pertaining to Bhagavān. And Bhagavān means to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So bhāgavata is the adjective form of the noun word Bhagavān. Bhaga, real form of the word is bhagavat. Bhagavat. Vat means possessing, and bhaga means opulences.\nOne who possess all the opulences, He's called bhagavat. And from bhagavat this word has come, bhāgavata. So bhāgavata means pertaining to God and His devotees. That is called bhāgavata. Just like this book is called Bhāgavata because it deals only with the subject matter of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, nothing more. Bās. Therefore it is called Bhāgavata. And you'll find description in this book, the dealings between Bhagavān, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and His devotees.\nSo there are two kinds of bhāgavatam: the devotee bhāgavatam and the book Bhāgavatam. And Prahlāda Mahārāja advises that from the very childhood, if one is very intelligent then his duty is kaumāra ācaret prājño dharmān bhāgavatān iha [SB 7.6.1]: one should engage himself in the execution of the duties, occupational duties, in relationship with devotees and the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nThank you very much.\nIf there is any question? Any question? Hmm?",
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"content": "\n How old was Prahlāda Mahārāja when [indistinct]? How old was Prahlāda Mahārāja?",
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"content": "\n Then how did [indistinct] hear from Vyāsadeva?",
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"content": "\n He learned this bhāgavata-dharma from the womb of his mother. His mother was instructed... His mother, when she was pregnant, she was arrested by the enemies of her husband, and Nārada Ṛṣi saved her, and he took the girl, pregnant girl, at his āśrama and kept her. And as it is the practice of saintly persons to instruct about God, so he was instructing, and Prahlāda Mahārāja was hearing from the womb of mother.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] Manu was on this planet. Now he's not?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Manu... Manu's son, Ikṣvāku, was in this planet, but Manu may be in another planet. Just like Manu's father, the sun, sun-god, Vivasvān, he is in the other planet. Similarly, the population of every planet has increased from one planet to another, like that. So Manu's son, Ikṣvāku, he happened to be in this planet.",
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"content": "\n You said Prahlāda Mahārāja, he heard Nārada Muni speaking in the womb. [indistinct] hear you speaking?",
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"content": "\n Why not Haimāvatī's child? Even a lizard is here in this room, he is also hearing. This is transcendental sound. Just like there was a sound, everyone's attention was diverted there. So sound is so penetrating. Sound is the origin of creation. So this is transcendental sound. It penetrates everyone's heart. Because everyone is spiritual being. That is the specific significance of sound vibration.\nIt is said in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, ahaituky apratihatā [SB 1.2.6]. \n[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]\nThis spiritual cultivation cannot be checked by any material impediment. Because the child is packed within the womb, within the belly, under the shackles of intestines and so miserable condition... In the belly or the abdomen of the mother, the child remains in a very miserable condition. Because the consciousness is not developed.\nBut as soon as the consciousness is developed at the age of seven months, the child wants to come out. Therefore it moves. If it is male child, then it moves toward the right side. If it is female child, then it moves to the left side. So these are description in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. So by the movement of the child you can understand whether it is male or female.\n[women exclaim]\nSo this transcendental sound is not checked by any material condition. Therefore it reaches. Therefore it is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā that śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭo'bhijāyate [Bg. 6.41].\n[The unsuccessful yogī, after many, many years of enjoyment on the planets of the pious living entities, is born into a family of righteous people, or into a family of rich aristocracy.]\nOne who cannot execute the full course of yoga system, he's given chance to take birth in the family of a pious man or a rich man. So, as you parents, you have taken to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the child who is coming, he's not an ordinary child. He must have executed in his previous life the yoga siddhi. If you believe Bhagavad-gītā, you have to accept.",
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"content": "\n Is Arjuna described in disciplic succession? I mean [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n How come the other incarnations are [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n Did Kṛṣṇa describe to Arjuna the disciplic succession?",
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"content": "\n Yes. He said that \"I am speaking to you Bhagavad-gītā because you are My devotee, you are My confidential friend.\" That is the qualification to receive this from disciplic succession. That is the qualification. He, he..., Arjuna did not go to instruct..., yes, Kṛṣṇa did not like to instruct the confidential system of yoga to any so-called impersonalist or so-called Vedāntist. Arjuna was ordinary householder. He was, of course, belonging to the royal family. He was a great warrior, that's all, but he did not belong to the brāhmaṇa family or...\n[no audio]\n...any learned scholar. He was a military man. Then why Kṛṣṇa to discuss the mystery of Bhagavad-gītā to him? Because his qualification is accepted by Kṛṣṇa that \"I am speaking to you that old system of Bhagavad-gītā, Arjuna, because you are My devotee and you are My confidential friend.\"\nSo we have to become a devotee or we have to establish a transcendental relationship with Kṛṣṇa. Then it is possible to understand what is the mystery of Bhagavad-gītā. Bhagavad-gītā cannot be understood by so-called scholars by academic degrees. One has to become a devotee of Kṛṣṇa. One has to become a friend or some way related with Kṛṣṇa. Then it is possible to understand Bhagavad-gītā. Otherwise it is impossible.\nMy Guru Mahārāja used to say that one who is licking up the bottle of honey, he is thinking that \"I am licking honey,\" but that is impossible. Similarly, the so-called scholars, when they comment on Bhagavad-gītā, they are licking up the bottle of honey. The taste of honey is different.\nThat taste one can get when the bottle is opened by [indistinct] person. Then he can taste the Bhagavad-gītā. Otherwise, licking up the bottle, that's all. If one is satisfied by licking up the bottle of honey, without tasting it, then is he not a fool? [laughter] The fools say, \"I have got the honey!\" but it is not opened.\nTherefore in Bhagavad-gītā it is said, rahasyaṁ hy etad uttamam [Bg. 4.3]. \n[That very ancient science of the relationship with the Supreme is today told by Me to you because you are My devotee as well as My friend; therefore you can understand the transcendental mystery of this science.]\nRahasyam, the transcendental secrecy of Bhagavad-gītā, that secret will not be opened to a so-called scholar or academic educated. It must be taken from the [indistinct] authorized person, evaṁ paramparā prāptam [Bg. 4.2], by disciplic succession.\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\nOtherwise... [end]",
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"content": "\n Begin. [kīrtana]\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the Six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī Ṭhākura, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayitāya kṛpābdhaye\nkṛṣṇa-sambandha-vijñāna-dāyine prabhave namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīla Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.]\nmādhuryojjvala-premāḍhya-śrī-rūpānuga-bhaktida-\nśrī-gaura-karuṇā-śakti-vigrahāya namo 'stu te\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mercy, who delivers devotional service enriched with conjugal love of Śrī Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamas te gaura-vāṇī-śrī-mūrtaye dīna-tāriṇe\nrūpānuga-viruddhāpasiddhānta-dhvānta-hāriṇe\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Lord Caitanya. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement against the teachings of devotional service enunciated by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamo gaura-kiśorāya sākṣād-vairāgya-mūrtaye\nvipralambha-rasāmbhodhe pādāmbujāya te namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja [the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is renunciation personified. He is always merged in a feeling of separation and intense love of Kṛṣṇa.]\nnamo bhaktivinodāya sac-cid-ānanda-nāmine\ngaura-śakti-svarūpāya rūpānuga-varāya te\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Saccidānanda Bhaktivinoda, who is the transcendental energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is a strict follower of the Gosvāmīs, headed by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\ngaurāvirbhāva-bhūmes tvaṁ nirdeṣṭā saj-jana-priyaḥ\nvaiṣṇava-sārvabhaumaḥ śrī-jagannāthāya te namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīla Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who is respected by the entire Vaiṣṇava community and who confirmed the discovery of the place where Lord Caitanya appeared.]\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvenebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.]\nnamo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te\nkṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ\n[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmātī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\npañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ bhakta-rūpa-svarūpakam\nbhaktāvatāraṁ bhaktākhyaṁ namāmi bhakta-śaktikam\n[I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional manifestation, devotional incarnation, pure devotee and devotional energy.]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, O ocean of mercy, O friend of the distressed and the source of creation, O master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devi praṇamāmi hari-priye\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīmātī Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\nśrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu-nityānanda\nśrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta vṛnda\n[All glories to Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu, Lord Nityānanda, Advaita Ācārya, Gadādhara Paṇḍita Prabhu, Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura and all those devotees who follow in their footsteps.]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[O Śrīmāti Rādhārāṇī (the divine energy of the Lord Kṛṣṇa), O all-attractive reservoir of pleasure, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, please engage me in Your loving devotional service.]\n[prema-dhvani] All glories to the assembled devotees. All glories to the assembled devotees. All glories to the assembled devotees. Thank you very much.\nHare Kṛṣṇa. Hmm?\n[23:15]\ntasmād guruṁ prapadyeta\njijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam\nśābde pare ca niṣṇātaṁ\nbrahmaṇy upaśamāśrayam\n[SB 11.3.21]\n[Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.]\nThe whole Vedic instruction is just to deliver all suffering humanity from the threefold miseries of material existence. That is the aim and object of Vedic civilization. That means this human form of life is meant for finishing all kinds of troubles. That should be the effort of human being. Actually, they are doing so. Everyone is trying to minimize the miseries of life and get happiness of life. That is the impetus of all activities. But unfortunately, they do not know how to do it.\nThe first thing is that one should very nicely understand the position of material existence. The Sanātana Gosvāmī, who approached Lord Caitanya, he presented himself that \"My dear Lord, people in general, they speak of me that I am very learned man,\" grāmya vyavahāre kaha paṇḍita [Cc. Madhya 20.100], \"I am very learned man.\n[“I do not know what is beneficial for me or what is detrimental. Nonetheless, in ordinary dealings people consider me a learned scholar, and I am also thinking of myself as such.]\nBut actually when I think of myself, what kind of learned man I am, I do not know what I am.\" So this type of advancement of knowledge, for simply for material comforts, without knowing about oneself, \"What I am?\" they're simply useless labor. One should try to understand what he is.\nThat is also the beginning of Vedānta-sūtra. Athāto brahma jijñāsā: one should be inquisitive to understand about himself, Brahman, or the Supreme Brahman. That is the real necessity of this human form of life. The animals, they cannot inquire about himself or about the Supreme. But a human being can inquire that \"I want to become happy, but miseries are coming upon me one after another.\"\nAt least, one should know what are the miseries. The miseries are three kinds of miseries. It is not the question of one religion or another religion. The miserable condition of life is for everyone, either he is Hindu or he is Muslim or Christian or Jew. It doesn't matter. Anyone who has accepted this material body has to undergo the miserable condition of material existence. That is a fact.\nAnd what are the miserable condition? There are three types: adhyātmika, adhibhautika, adhidaivika. Adhyātmika means pertaining to the body, mind. Everyone is experienced that \"I'm not feeling today well due to some sickness of my body or some mental disturbance.\" This is called adhyātmika. And there are other miseries, inflicted by other living entities: my enemies, some animal, some mosquito or some bug.\nThere are so many living entities, they are also try to give me some trouble. This is called adhibhautika. And there is another type of misery, which is called adhidaivika. That is natural disturbance—severe cold, severe heat, some famine, some earthquake, some disaster, some hurricanes. There are so many things, natural disturbance.\nSo in either of these three types of miserable condition we are. But those who are foolish, they do not see to it. Under illusion of māyā they think, \"Oh, we are very happy.\" This is called māyā. One is not happy, but he's thinking, \"I am happy.\" And they are trying to become happy in so many other ways.\nBut that is not the way of seeking happiness. If you actually want to be happy, then you have to inquire about your constitutional position, \"What I am?\" That is meditation, to know. You just think over yourself, \"Whether I am this body?\" If you think that... Suppose you think over your..., meditate upon your finger. You'll come to the conclusion that \"I am not this finger. It is my finger. I am not this finger.\"\nBecause if the finger is cut off, that I am not dead, therefore I am not finger. It is very easy to understand. So you meditate on every part of your body, you'll come to the conclusion, if you are sane, that \"I am not this body. The body is mine. I am not this dress. The dress is mine.\" That is the conclusion.\nThen what I am? At the present moment I am identifying with this body, with this dress. [child disturbing] That is illusion. Yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke [SB 10.84.13]. \n[One who identifies his self as the inert body composed of mucus, bile and air, who assumes his wife and family are permanently his own, who thinks an earthen image or the land of his birth is worshipable, or who sees a place of pilgrimage as merely the water there, but who never identifies himself with, feels kinship with, worships or even visits those who are wise in spiritual truth—such a person is no better than a cow or an ass.]\nBhāgavata says anyone who is identifying himself with this body, he's an ass. He's not even an human being. Actually it is so, because I am not this body. And the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā is with this proposition, that you are not this body. Dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā [Bg. 2.13].\n[As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.]\nThe body is growing because I am sitting within this body. A child grows so long the soul is there. If a child takes birth, dead body, it does not grow. That means the soul is not there. That is called dead. So this preliminary knowledge one has to learn. That is called brahma-jijñāsā. The Bhagavad-gītā begins from this point, that \"I am not this body.\"\nSo this is... The function of human activity is to know oneself, what he is, and then begin his work. And if he works simply just like animal, eating, sleeping, mating and defending... These are animal activities. If you simply endeavor for eating whole day and night, and if you are satisfied whatever you like to eat, and you think that \"My mission of life is finished, now my belly is full with foodstuff,\" that is not human civilization.\nBut in this age people are degrading so much that at the end of the day, if he can have a full belly meal, he says, \"Oh, I am now satisfied.\" Just like animal. Or \"If I can sleep in a nice apartment, oh, I am very happy.\" Or \"If I can mate with a beautiful opposite sex, oh, I am happy.\" These are animal happiness. Actual human happiness is not simply to meet the bodily demands. That is called brahma-jijñāsā. Athāto brahma jijñāsā.\nNow, where to inquire about this Brahman, about oneself, that is the next question. Just like if you want to learn something about medical science, you have to approach some medical man or you have to take admission in some medical school or college. Or if you want to learn about engineering you have to seek after somebody who knows engineering or technology.\nThat is the way of education: so many universities and department of knowledge teaching different department of knowledge. Similarly, if you want to learn about your self, Brahman, then you have to seek after some teacher who can teach you about your self. This is common knowledge. This is common knowledge.\nSo all the Vedic literature says that in order to learn that transcendental science about your self or about God, then tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12].\nTo understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.\nIn order to learn that science, don't manufacture. But scientific way, if you want to learn... Tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva..., gurum eva abhigacchet. Guru means spiritual master; eva, eva means certainly. Not that if somebody thinks, \"Oh, I can learn about myself without approaching any spiritual master.\" That is wrong.\nActually eva, eva means certainly. One must. And this verb gacchet is used where this sense is used, \"must.\" Gacchet, \"must go,\" \"must approach.\" That is the injunction of the Vedas. Similarly, the injunction of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is also tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam [SB 11.3.21].\n[Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.]\nNow, in order to approach a bona fide spiritual master, one must be very much disgusted with this material way of life. That is very nice qualification. Unless one he's disgusted with this materialistic way of life, that actually in this materialistic way of life there is no happiness... This proposition must be convinced by one, that he should know certainly that \"In the material way of life I cannot become happy.\" This is the first condition. Tasmād. Tasmād means \"therefore.\"\nSimilarly, in Vedānta-sūtra also, atha..., ataḥ brahma-jijñāsā. When we become fed up, disgusted with the materialistic way of life, natural inquiry is then \"What is next?\" That \"next,\" in order to understand that \"next,\" the Vedānta-sūtra says, the Vedic knowledge says that tasmād gurum evābhigacchet. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta. Therefore one should seek after a bona fide spiritual master and learn there. That is the Vedic injunction.\nSo one who is actually convinced that \"The materialistic way of life cannot make me happy,\" his duty is to seek after a bona fide spiritual master to be enlightened in the transcendental science of understanding oneself and what is God. There are five elementary truths. The living entity... We are all living entities, cats and dogs or animals.\nThere are 8,400,000's of different kinds of..., according to different kinds of bodies. The living entity is one, spirit soul, but according to his body he is claiming. Just like you have got American body, you are claiming that \"I am American.\" I have got Indian body, I am claiming, \"I am Indian.\" This is by bodily designation. Similarly, a cat has got a body of cat; he is thinking, \"I am cat.\" A dog has got a dog's body; he's thinking that \"I am dog.\"\nSo there are 8,400,000 species of life. They are claiming, \"I am this and that.\" Actually, he is spirit soul. He is spirit soul and eternal servant of the Supreme Lord. That is his constitutional position, but he has forgotten. Some way or other, he does not know. And in order to invoke that original knowledge, which is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness, one should approach a bona fide spiritual master. That is the way. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam [SB 11.3.21].\n[Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.]\nWhy one should approach a spiritual master unless one is inquisitive to understand if there is anything beyond this material world? Otherwise there is no need of seeking a spiritual master. A spiritual master should not be sought after to fulfill one's sense gratification. No.\nOne should be very much eager to understand, to know the science of Brahman, which is beyond this material existence, and then he should very seriously seek after a spiritual master. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ. Jijñāsuḥ means inquisitive. What kind of inquisitiveness? Not that we are inquisitive about politics or economics or some football result or some... So many things we have got.\nIn the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is said that there are many questions by the conditioned soul. There are many questions by the conditioned soul living within this material existence without any knowledge of the self-realization. There are many questions.\nSo that sort of question is not required to be solved by the spiritual master. The spiritual master should be approached by a person who is inquisitive to understand śreya uttamam, what is the highest benefit, spiritual benefit, beyond this material existence. For that purpose. Śreya. Śreya means the benefit, highest benefit. Preya and śreya. Preya means immediately I want some benefit, and śreya means the ultimate benefit. One who is inquisitive about the ultimate benefit, he should be inquisitive or inquire from a bona fide spiritual master. Jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam.\nNow, the next question is, \"Who is spiritual master where I have to go and inquire?\" Otherwise I'll be misled. I may approach a person who is not actually bona fide spiritual master. That should also be known. And what is that? That is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, in the Vedas and Bhagavad-gītā—everywhere the same thing is. Here also it is said that you should approach a bona fide spiritual master—jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam—to whom?\nŚābde pare ca niṣṇātam [SB 11.3.21]: one who has actually taken full bath in the ocean of transcendental knowledge. Śābde pare ca niṣṇātam. Śābde means the transcendental sound. The Vedic words, hymns, are called transcendental sound, and the gist of all such sound is oṁ, or Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma... So one has to take bath in the ocean of this transcendental sound; then he is bona fide spiritual master. Śābde pare ca niṣṇātam.\nAnd what is the symptom? Everyone can say that \"I have taken full bath in this transcendental sound,\" but the symptom is there. What is that symptom? Śābde pare ca niṣṇātaṁ brahmaṇy upaśamāśrayam: he has taken shelter of the Supreme Brahman, finishing all material activities. He has no more any material activities. He is simply after the Supreme Brahman, or Kṛṣṇa. This is the qualification.\nSo today we shall perform some initiated..., initiation performances in this meeting, and we are happy that you have come to participate in this nice function. So see the procedure, how we are doing it. This is Vedic principle, simplified to suit according to the time and place; otherwise, there are many other paraphernalias.\nSo this is the idea that one who is actually inquisitive to understand about the spiritual science, no other necessity. It is not that one should be initiated in spiritual science for some material benefit. No. One should be callous about anything material because material body is meant for suffering. One should not be disturbed by any suffering. Kṛṣṇa was. Kṛṣṇa explained when Arjuna was too much disturbed that he has to kill his own kinsmen.\n\"I understand that spirit is eternal but still when the body is killed I shall be sorry.\" Actually we are speaking of spiritual existence but if somebody suffers, dies immediately we shall be very sorry. Although we know that the spirit is different from the body that we have been accustomed for many many births. So what is the answer? The answer is by Kṛṣṇa, that we have to tolerate. Tolerate.\nmātrā-sparśās tu kaunteya\nśītoṣṇa-sukha-duḥkha-dāḥ\n[Bg. 2.14]\n[O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed.]\nThese perception of material happiness and distress is due to the skin. Just like in severe cold when there is snow falling you feel too much afflicted by the cold. Or the scorch heating you are too much afflicted. That affliction is not to be due to the heat and cold but due to your body. You cannot bear, or you will find some other animal, I mean to say, they are loitering in the street without any cold.\nSo that sort of distress and happiness is due to your body. Not actually the water is distress or happiness, water is sometimes distressful, sometimes happy. In the summer season if you take your bath you will feel very nice, water is very nice and in the cold season, oh it is very severe.\nSo water is neither severe nor distressful nor happiness it is your body according to the constitution of certain body we feel certain kind of distress and happiness in this material world but what is the remedy? The remedy is to tolerate. Just like you go to office even there is snowfall, even there is severe cold you cannot stop your working, you have to go. You tolerate.\nSimilarly you have to tolerate, even there are some material distress and happiness, so-called distress and happiness you have to tolerate but your main business is to, how to elevate yourself to the spiritual platform. That should be your main business. You should not be disturbed by the so called material happiness or distress. Your aim or mission of life is to be, how to understand yourself your relationship with God. How to understand what is God, that is your mission.\ntasmād guruṁ prapadyeta\njijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam\nśābde pare ca niṣṇātaṁ\nbrahmaṇy upaśamāśrayam\n[SB 11.3.21]\n[Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.]\nSo this function will be held today, we shall request you to remain and seat and join in our chanting at the last part of the function. That will be very nice. Thank you.",
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"content": "\n[Offer obeisances]\n[49:20]",
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"content": "\nJust see how I am doing, three times. Four times offering that's all. Do everyone who are present here for initiation, yes.",
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"content": "\nYes everyone. Those who are taking. Chant others, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n [Japa]\nFour times Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\nThat's all right. But now wash, wash your hands. Yes, you should see how I have done it. Yes, you should be intelligent. That's all right once, wash your hand.",
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"content": "\nOnce more?",
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"content": "\nYes. You have not seen it?",
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"content": "\nYou should be intelligent enough. Let's see everyone, one, two, three. [Sipping noise] Now again. That's right. Finished. Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa. That's it, do everyone like that. So do? He'll not.",
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"content": "\n[Japa]. That's it. You're also going to be initiated?\n[Chants the following mantra with devotees repeating responsively]\nnamaḥ, apa, vitraḥ, pavi, tra, vā, jaḥ, smaret,\npuṇḍarī, kākṣaṁ, sa, bahya, abhyantaram, śuciḥ.\n[Garuḍa Purāṇa]\nśrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu.\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]",
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"content": "\nDo it again. [Japa]. Why don't you give her a chair? She is feeling... Come down here. Where is another? Pass on.",
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"content": "\n[Japa]. Here. This is full.",
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"content": "\nThere is a piece of dust on your leg, can I remove it?",
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"content": "\nEh?",
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"content": "\nThere is a piece of dust on your leg, I just want to remove it. It's some dirt.",
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"content": "\nOh, that's all right. [Japa]. Where is that paper of 10 offences? That's all. [Japa]. Now bow down, bow down.\n[Chants the following mantra with devotees repeating responsively]\nnama, oṁ, viṣṇu, pādāya, kṛṣṇa, preṣṭhāya, bhū-tale,\nśrīmate, bhakti, vedānta, svāmin, iti, nāmine.\n[Śrīla Prabhupāda Praṇati]\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nSo, your spiritual name is Madana-mohana dāsa.",
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"content": "\nJaya! Haribol!",
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"content": "\nYes. So you chant from the big bead beginning from here,\nHare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare\nHare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare\nThen next in this way you come here again chant from here come here and in this way 16 rounds. Other rules and regulations you will understand from your Godbrothers. And I will also explain. All right be happy. Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n[Laughter] Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nNext. [Japa]. His mother? [Japa]. Hey ask Gargamuni to take a group photo of this.",
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"content": "\nTake a group photo of everyone.\nHaribol!\nMy camera is too small but Sudāmā [indistinct].\nSudāmā.",
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"content": "\n[Japa]. What is that?",
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"content": "\nLalitā Maṅgala.",
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"content": "\nNo, L. Lalita Kumāra, Lalit Kumāra.\n[break] k, u, m, a, r, a. Lalita Kumāra. [Japa]. This picture it is very nice.",
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"content": "\nPainting?",
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"content": "\nYes. [Japa]. Śacī-suta has come here?",
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"content": "\nYes. [Laughter]",
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"content": "\nThank you. [Laughter] [Japa].",
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"content": "\nA big black thing got him.",
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"content": "\nEh?",
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"content": "\nHe was caught by the big black thing.",
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"content": "\nYes. [Japa]. This light is not bright.",
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"content": "\nOn Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\nYes. You have got many dresses?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nChange?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n[Japa]. So you should give me a photo of this altar, this is. This system should be followed by others. [Japa]. So Lord Caitanya's picture should be placed in a throne.",
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"content": "\nA throne?",
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"content": "\n[Japa] Rather in this, this picture.",
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"content": "\nThat picture is too big to fit in the space.",
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"content": "\nOh, so you should have a picture like this.",
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"content": "\nSmaller one? Yes.",
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"content": "\n[Japa].\n[Chants the following mantra with devotees repeating responsively]\nnama, oṁ, viṣṇu, pādāya, kṛṣṇa, preṣṭhāya, bhū-tale,\nśrīmate, bhakti, vedānta, svāmin, iti, nāmine.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nCome on. The same instruction, you begin from this big one:\nHare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare\nHare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare\nCome to this smaller, then don't cross, again begin from here and this way 16 rounds, daily. Your name is Lalit Kumāra. Take it, not... Right-hand, that's it, be happy.\n[break] [Japa]. Eh?",
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
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"content": "\nLalit Kumāra. [Japa]. Who is this boy? This boy is like an Indian?",
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"content": "\nIndian. Yes he comes sometimes.",
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"content": "\n[Japa]. Sit down now. [Japa] What is this first [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nJay.",
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"content": "\n[Japa] his name is Jagat-uddhāraṇa.",
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"content": "\nHow do you spell it?",
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"content": "\nj a g a. g a",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nja ga, ja ga",
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"content": "\nOh, ja ga",
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"content": "\nYes. T, udharan. That's it.\n[Japa] [break] [Japa] [break] [Japa]. Not like that, yes. [Japa].\nJagannātha is pleased, yes, you are worshipping Jagannātha nicely. [Japa].\n[Chants the following mantra with devotee repeating responsively]\nnama, oṁ, viṣṇu, pādāya, kṛṣṇa, preṣṭhāya, bhū-tale,\nśrīmate, bhakti, vedānta, svāmin, iti, nāmine.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nSo your spiritual name is Jagat-uddhāraṇa, big name.",
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"content": "\n[Laughter]\nWhat was?",
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"content": "\nJagat-uddhāraṇa, that is another name of Lord Caitanya.",
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"content": "\nOhhh!\nJagat-uddhāraṇa.",
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"content": "\nDāsa, brahmacārī. So you have seen? Beginning from here, come here, don't cross this, again come here, to here, here, and in this way 16 rounds. Other regulation I shall announce at the end. Now take that and be happy. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Next.\n[break] [Japa]. Now your saṅkīrtana party is increasing and go on saṅkīrtana party.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nDaily.",
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"content": "\nDaily!?",
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"content": "\nYes. [Japa]. And all problems will be solved.\n[Japa]. From street to street, door to door.",
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"content": "\nDoor-to-door?",
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"content": "\nStreet to street go and chant, and Hare Kṛṣṇa party.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nFrom street to street.",
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"content": "\nFrom street to street, door to door.",
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"content": "\nYes. [Japa]. What is the beginning? His name?",
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"content": "\nGreg.",
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"content": "\n[Japa]. Govinda dāsa, Govinda dāsa there is no name I think?",
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"content": "\nGovinda dāsa? Yes.",
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"content": "\nGovinda dāsī but Govinda dāsa not.",
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"content": "\nAh!",
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"content": "\nSo you can make one.",
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"content": "\nJaya Govinda [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nSo you can make him Govinda dāsa.\n[Japa]. Or, here, yes, you can, you can make Gopīnātha.",
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"content": "\nGopīnātha.",
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"content": "\n[Japa]. This sitting is not proper. [Japa]. Yes.\n[Chants the following mantra with devotee repeating responsively]\nnama, oṁ, viṣṇu, pādāya, kṛṣṇa, preṣṭhāya, bhū-tale,\nśrīmate, bhakti, vedānta, svāmin, iti, nāmine.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nAlright, your name is…",
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"content": "\nGopīnātha.",
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"content": "\nGopīnātha dāsa brahmacārī.",
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"content": "\nJaya.",
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"content": "\nSo you chant from here down to this end again from here all 16 rounds. Other regulations [indistinct]. [Japa].\n[Chants the following mantra with devotee repeating responsively]\nnama, oṁ, viṣṇu, pādāya, kṛṣṇa, preṣṭhāya, bhū-tale,\nśrīmate, bhakti, vedānta, svāmin, iti, nāmine.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nYour name is Madhu-maṅgala dāsa brahmacārī. Madhu-maṅgala is the name of Śrī Kṛṣṇa's friend. M a d h u m a n g a l. Take your beads. Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nAh somebody give them beads and this garland.\n[Japa], chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n[Japa]",
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"content": "\n[Japa] [indistinct] make it thinner, very thinner, very thin, it is not thin. [Japa]. This is not thin, make it thin very thin. Here, like this. Yes. Rāma. Who is that for? Now you should take little little, very little bit. When I say svāhā one two three times.\n[Chants the following mantra with devotees repeating responsively]\nnama oṁ, apavitraḥ, pavitro vā,\nsarva, avasthāṁ, gato, api, vā,\nVery little little. Three times, you have too many times do.\n[Chants the following mantra with devotees repeating responsively]\nnama oṁ, apa, vitraḥ, pavi, travā, sarva, avasthāṁ, gato, api, vā,\nyaḥ, smaret, puṇḍarī, kākṣaṁ, sa, bahya, abhyantaraṁ, śuciḥ\nśrī-viṣṇu, śrī-viṣṇu, śrī-viṣṇu.\n[Garuḍa Purāṇa]\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\nvande, ahaṁ, śrī, guroḥ, śrī, yuta, pada-kamalaṁ, śrī, gurūn, vaiṣṇa, vāṁśca, śrī, rūpaṁ, sāgra, jātaṁ, saha-gaṇa, raghunāthān, vitaṁ, taṁ, sa-jīvam\nsa, advaitaṁ, sa, avadhūtaṁ, parijana, sahitaṁ, kṛṣṇa, caitanya, devaṁ\nśrī, rādhā. chanting. śrī, rādhā, kṛṣṇa, pādān, saha-gaṇa, lalitā, śrī, viśākhān, vitāṁśca\n[Maṅgalācaraṇa]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the Six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nnama, oṁ, viṣṇu, pādāya, kṛṣṇa, preṣṭhāya, bhū-tale,\nśrīmate, bhakti, vedānta, svāmin, iti, nāmine.\n[Śrīla Prabhupāda Praṇati]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nnama, oṁ, viṣṇu, pādāya, kṛṣṇa, preṣṭhāya, bhū-tale,\nśrīmate, bhakti, siddhānta, sarasvatī, iti, nāmine.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī, vārṣa, bhānavī, devī, dayi, tāya, kṛpa, hare\nkṛṣṇa, sambandha, vijñāna, dāyine, prabhave, namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrī Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.]\nmādhurya, ujjvala, premāḍhya, śrī, rūpānuga, bhaktida\nśrī, gaura, karuṇā, śakti, vigra, hāya, namaḥ, astu te\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya's mercy, who deliver devotional service which is enriched with conjugal love of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamaste, gaura, vāṇī, śrī, mūrtaye, dīna, tāriṇe\nrūpa, anuga, viruddha, apa, siddhānta, dhvānta, hāriṇe.\n[Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Praṇati]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Lord Caitanya. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement which is against the teachings of devotional service enunciated by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnama, oṁ, viṣṇu, pādāya, gaura, kiśorāya, vipra,\nlambha, rasām, bhode, pādām, bujāya, te, namaḥ\n[Śrīla Gaurakiśora Praṇati]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Gaura-kiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja [the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is renunciation personified. He is always merged in a feeling of separation and intense love of Kṛṣṇa.\nnama oṁ, bhakti, vinodāya, sac-cida, ananda, nāmine\ngaura, śakti, svarū, pāya, rūpa, anuga, varāya, te\n[Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Praṇati]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Saccidānanda Bhaktivinoda, who is transcendental energy of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is a strict follower of the Gosvāmīs, headed by Śrīla Rūpa.]\ngaura, vir, bhāva, bhūmes, tvaṁ, nirdeṣṭā, saj-jana, priyaḥ\nvaiṣṇava, sārva, bhaumaḥ, ṣrī, jagat, nāthāya, te, namaḥ\n[Śrīla Jagannātha Praṇati]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who is respected by the entire Vaiṣṇava community and who discovered the place where Lord Caitanya appeared.]\nvāñchā, kalpa, taru, bhyaś ca, kṛpā, sindhu, bhya, eva ca\npati, tānāṁ, pāva, nebhyo, vaiṣṇa, vebhyo, namo, namaḥ\n[Śrī Vaiṣṇava Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.]\nnama oṁ, mahā, vadānyāya, kṛṣṇa, prema, pradāya, te\nkṛṣṇāya, kṛṣṇa, caitanya, nāmne, gaura, tviṣe, namaḥ\n[Śrī Gaurāṅga Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\npañca, tattva, atmakaṁ, kṛṣṇaṁ, bhakta, rūpa, svarū, pakam\nbhaktākhyaṁ, bhakta, avatāraṁ, namāmi, bhakta, śaktikam\n[Śrī Pañca-Tattva Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional incarnation, devotional manifestation, pure devotee, and devotional energy.]\nhe, kṛṣṇa, karuṇā, sindho\ndīna, bandho, jagat, pate\ngopeśa, gopikā, kānta\nrādhā, kānta, namaḥ, astu te\n[Śrī Kṛṣṇa Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.\njayatāṁ, suratau, paṅgor, mama, manda, mater, gate\nmat, sarvasva, padām, bhojau, rādhā, madana, mohanau\n[Sambandhādhideva Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[Glory to the all-merciful Rādhā and Madana-mohana! I am lame and ill advised, yet They are my directors, and Their lotus feet are everything to me.]\ndīvyad, vṛnda, araṇya, kalpa, drumādhaḥ\nśrīmad, ratna, agāra, siṁha, asana-sthau\nśrī śrī, rādhā, śrīla, govinda, devau\npreṣṭhā, devī, sevya, mānau, smarāmi\n[Abhidheyādhideva Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[In a temple of jewels in Vṛndāvana, underneath a desire tree, Śrī Śrī Rādhā-Govinda, served by Their most confidential associates, sit upon an effulgent throne. I offer my most humble obeisances unto Them.]\nśrīmān, rāsa, rasa, arambhī, vaṁśī, vaṭa, taṭa, sthitaḥ\nkarṣan, veṇu, svanair, gopīr, gopī, nāthaḥ, śriye, astu, naḥ\n[Prayojanādhideva Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[Śrī Śrīla Gopīnātha, who originated the transcendental mellow of the rāsa dance, stands on the shore in Vaṁśīvaṭa and attracts the attention of the cowherd damsels with the sound of His celebrated flute. May they all confer upon us their benediction.]\nHare, Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Hare\nHare, Rāma, Hare, Rāma, Rāma, Rāma, Hare, Hare\nTake one piece banana and stand up.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] sample of this?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nStand up with folded hands.\nStand up.\nStand up, take the banana, with folded hands.",
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"content": "\nAll stand up.\n[Chants the following mantra with devotees repeating responsively]\nnama oṁ, brahmaṇya, devāya\ngo, brāhmaṇa, hitāya ca\njagad, dhitāya, kṛṣṇāya\ngovindāya, namo, namaḥ\n[Viṣṇu Purāṇa 1.19.65]\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to the Supreme Absolute Truth, Krishna, who is the well-wisher of the cows and the brahmanas as well as the living entities in general. I offer my repeated obeisances to Govinda [Krishna], who is the pleasure reservoir for all the senses.]\nnama oṁ, brahmaṇya, devāya\ngo, brāhmaṇa, hitāya ca\njagad, dhitāya, kṛṣṇāya\ngovindāya, namo, namaḥ\n[Viṣṇu Purāṇa 1.19.65]\nPut slowly. All around, one here.",
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"content": "\nNo, no.\n[indistinct] Do you want one Prabhupāda also?",
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"content": "\nNo.\n[devotees moving around]\nNow chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n[Japa]",
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"content": "\nFirst of all go round, go round. [break]\n[Chants the following mantra with devotees repeating responsively]\nnama, oṁ, viṣṇu, pādāya, kṛṣṇa, preṣṭhāya, bhū-tale,\nśrīmate, bhakti, vedānta, svāmin, iti, nāmine.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nHare, Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Hare\nHare, Rāma, Hare, Rāma, Rāma, Rāma, Hare, Hare\nNow you are married, your name is?",
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"content": "\nĪśam dāsa.",
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"content": "\nĪśvara dāsa.\nAnd you are?",
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"content": "\nLīlāvatī.",
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"content": "\nLīlāvatī yes. Now you say, I Īśvara dāsa.",
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"content": "\nI Īśam dāsa.",
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"content": "\nĪśvara dāsa or Īśvarānananda? What is the spelling?",
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"content": "\nDāsa.",
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"content": "\nWhat is the spelling?",
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"content": "\nSpelling?",
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"content": "\nĪśam dāsa. Yes, not Īśvara dāsa.\n[Says the following with devotee repeating responsively]\nI Īśam dāsa I surrender, I accept you, as my wife, for the whole life, I take charge of your maintenance.",
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"content": "\nI take charge?",
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"content": "\nThroughout the whole life.",
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"content": "\nYou say, I Līlāvatī.",
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"content": "\nI Līlāvatī.",
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"content": "\nYes, accept you.",
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"content": "\nAs my husband.",
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"content": "\nAnd I shall serve you.",
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"content": "\nAnd I shall serve.",
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"content": "\nServe you.",
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"content": "\nI shall.",
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"content": "\nServe you.",
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"content": "\nI shall serve you.",
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"content": "\nServe you, throughout my whole life.",
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"content": "\nWe shall not separate in any condition.",
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"content": "\nNow you change your garland. Yes. Now seat, change your seat. You come this side, come. Sit down, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n[Japa]",
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"content": "\nChant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nNow. Where is mṛdaṅga?\n[break] Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n. [kīrtana]",
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"content": "\n[with devotee 1] One, let's see one, one, yes, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Ten. Chant chant.",
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"content": "\n\n[chants gāyatrī during the kīrtana with a devotee repeating responsively]\nOṁ, bhūr, bhuvaḥ, svaḥ, tat, savitur, vareṇyaṁ, bhargo, devasya, dhīmahi.\n[Remaining parts of the gāyatrī mantra]\nsvāhā. You chant this mantra 10 times. [coughs] Morning, evening. Noon. Go down and go. Go down and bow down and go. Three times. [Prabhupāda repeats the above process with individual devotees repeating responsively during loud kīrtana]\n[with devotee 2] One, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.\nOṁ, bhūr, bhuvaḥ, svaḥ, tat, savitur, vareṇyaṁ, bhargo, devasya, dhīmahi.\n[Remaining parts of the gāyatrī mantra]\nYou chant this mantra 10 times. Morning, noon, evening\n[break]\n[with devotee 3] [Remaining parts of the gāyatrī mantra] You chant this mantra 10 times, like that. Chant 10 times. Three times, morning, noon, [indistinct]. three times. [loud conch]\n[with devotee 4]. One, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Oṁ, bhūr, chant. bhuvaḥ, svaḥ, tat, savitur, vareṇyaṁ, bhargo, devasya, dhīmahi. [Remaining parts of the gāyatrī mantra]. 10 times. [indistinct]. Each mantra. Morning, noon and evening. [loud conch]\n[with devotee 5]. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Oṁ, bhūr, bhuvaḥ, svaḥ, tat, savitur, vareṇyaṁ, bhargo, devasya, dhīmahi. [Remaining parts of the gāyatrī mantra]. 10 times. Three times, morning, noon . Three times.\n[with devotee 6]. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Oṁ, bhūr, bhuvaḥ, svaḥ, tat, savitur, vareṇyaṁ, bhargo, devasya, dhīmahi. [Remaining parts of the gāyatrī mantra]. This mantra [indistinct] 10 times. Chant three times, morning, noon [indistinct]. [loud conch]\n[with devotee 7]. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. Oṁ, bhūr, bhuvaḥ, svaḥ. [indistinct]. [Remaining parts of the gāyatrī mantra indistinct]. morning, noon and evening. [loud conch].\n[with devotee 8]. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Oṁ, bhūr, bhuvaḥ, svaḥ, tat, savitur, vareṇyaṁ, bhargo, devasya, dhīmahi. [Remaining parts of the gāyatrī mantra]. Each mantra 10 times. Morning noon and evening. [loud conch]\n[prema dvani]",
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"content": "\nŚrīla Prabhupāda Mrs. Davies [indistinct]. Son.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] mother from Chapel Hill North Carolina.",
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"content": "\nHe wants to see you tomorrow.",
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"content": "\nWhatever is good for you.",
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"content": "\nMorning.",
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"content": "\n9 to 10. [loud conch]\nHaribol!",
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"content": "\n [Kīrtana stops]\n[prema-dhvani]\nThank you very much.",
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"content": "\nAll glories to you Śrīla Prabhupāda! [Conch blowing] [offering of obeisances]",
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"content": "\nNow give this maha to everyone.",
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"content": "\n[Japa]. Specs, glasses case? So distribute prasādam. [Japa].",
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"content": "\nŚrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nShall we offer this to the Deity or shall we bring it to you?",
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"content": "\nYes offer there. It has not yet offered?",
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"content": "\nNo it has not yet offered.",
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"content": "\nOffer, offer and bring.",
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"content": "\n[Bell rings, offering of obeisances] [Japa]",
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"content": "\nHmmmm Hmm! Come on. [Japa].",
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"content": "\nShall we distribute prasādam?",
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"content": "\nYes. You can take this banana and put it [fire crackling]. Make pieces and distribute. [Japa]. What is that? It is for me? Nā pāra.",
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"content": "\nI don't know Prabhupāda.\nYes it is.\nJust for [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nGive it to him. Keep it here. And distribute them all, first of all distribute them all. Puruṣottama?",
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"content": "\nPuruṣottama!",
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"content": "\nYou can take this prasādam. I shall go and I shall take later. And cover this. So I shall go.",
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"content": "\nI shall go.",
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"content": "\nYes.\n[Brief indistinct conversation between devotees]\n[Offering obeisances]",
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"content": "\nYes.\n[From this point until the end of the recording, the microphone is still on, prasādam is being served. There are many simultaneous conversations. The following are some snippets of those audible]\nHaribol!\nHare Kṛṣṇa!\nAll glories to Prabhupāda.\nAsk Puruṣottama.\nFantastic. Śrīla Prabhupāda's record. It's great. Taking prasādam.\nAll glories to Śrī Guru!\nHaribol!\nI don't know yet. Could be a big book.\n Vṛndāvana.\nYes.\nHave to create memories.\nLalita Kumāra.\nI thought it was Lalit.\nLalit Kumāra that's what I thought it was. That's what I heard.\nRādhārānī.\nLalit yeah.\nGet our shoes all right.\nPull that forward so that.\nPull this?\nYes pull it forward so that people can sit. Sit on the floor.\nExcuse me.\nI'm trying to open up this temple.\nAh, wait a second while I do this.\nProbably.\nSomebody else has to serve over here. I can't serve every.\nOkay, I'll take care of it.\n[Japa]\nVṛndāvana temples. Gopīnātha, Madana-mohana, Gopal.\nPerimeter and still further to go [laughs].\nHaribol!\nAll Kṛṣṇa's names.\nMadana-mohana, Lalit koonan. It's Lalit koonan?\nTwo devotees have the same name. Lalit koonan. k u n a n.\nThis is just sweet rice and chutney. These are. That's chapatis. Poppadams. We have a Sunday feast tomorrow. Chapatis are made out of wheat they are more. We have dahl and chapatis. Lot of protein. Vegetables. Squash. Carrots, carrot juice. Sugar.\nHow is that? Isn't that something?\nYeah Prabhupāda has gone. He stays in his apartment. Wherever he goes he just continues his translating. He is still translating the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. The Nectar of Devotion. Translating and writing. Teachings of Lord Caitanya. This is like a running commentary on Caitanya-caritāmṛta. TLC. Is like lectures just like a regular book. Philosophy. [end]",
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"content": "\n Concord.",
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"content": "\n Concord, yes. Concord is famous tape record company.\n[tapping microphone] It is all right?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes, Swāmījī. It can also..., it can be an amplification system.\n See, if you talk... [feedback]\n The thing is, they're too close to one another so there's a feedback. You have to be twelve feet away. Then it will amplify. That's what we were using in all of our speaking engagements.\n Hare Kṛṣṇa. It's like..., it's an amplifier.\nOh!",
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"content": "\n Oh, it acts as amplifier also? So I'll have to speak from here?",
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"content": "\n No.\n You don't have to... If all..., the two microphones weren't so close, then it would be..., we wouldn't have this noise, and you could speak as you like to speak.",
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"content": "\n So Gargamuni wants that prayer? Solo? Solo?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n You also like that? [chuckles]",
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"content": "\n Oh. If it isn't too much energy, Swāmījī, that would be very beautiful.",
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"content": "\n All right.",
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"content": "\n Also, when you used to sing in New York, Vande 'Haṁ, you would add on Cintāmaṇi. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ.",
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"content": "\n Yes, sometimes. You shall, I shall...? I shall pray that?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. That's nice, that one.\n What does that mean, Swāmījī, that new prayer?",
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"content": "\n Cintāmaṇi... That is description of Kṛṣṇaloka.",
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"content": "\n Yes, I have a copy of it.",
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"content": "\n Oh.\n[02:45]\n[Prabhupāda chants Cintāmaṇi prayers]\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\nlakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.29]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\nveṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣam-\nbarhāvataṁsam asitāmbuda-sundarāṅgam\nkandarpa-koṭi-kamanīya-viśeṣa-śobhaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.30]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is adept in playing on His flute, with blooming eyes like lotus petals with head decked with peacock's feather, with the figure of beauty tinged with the hue of blue clouds, and His unique loveliness charming millions of Cupids.]\nālola-candraka-lasad-vanamālya-vaṁśī-\nratnāṅgadaṁ praṇaya-keli-kalā-vilāsam\nśyāmaṁ tri-bhaṅga-lalitaṁ niyata-prakāśaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.31]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, round whose neck is swinging a garland of flowers beautified with the moon-locket, whose two hands are adorned with the flute and jeweled ornaments, who always revels in pastimes of love, whose graceful threefold-bending form of Śyāmasundara is eternally manifest.]\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\nlakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.29]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.\n]\nadvaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam\nādyaṁ purāṇa-puruṣaṁ nava-yauvanaṁ ca\nvedeṣu durlabham adurlabham ātma-bhaktau\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.33]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is inaccessible to the \nVedas,\n but obtainable by pure unalloyed devotion of the soul, who is without a second, who is not subject to decay, is without a beginning, whose form is endless, who is the beginning, and the eternal \npuruṣa;\n yet He is a person possessing the beauty of blooming youth.]\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\nlakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.29]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\npanthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara-sampragamyo\nvāyor athāpi manaso muni-puṅgavānām\nso 'py asti yat-prapada-sīmny avicintya-tattve\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.34]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, only the tip of the toe of whose lotus feet is approached by the yogīs who aspire after the transcendental and betake themselves to prāṇāyāma by drilling the respiration; or by the jñānīs who try to find out the nondifferentiated Brahman by the process of elimination of the mundane, extending over thousands of millions of years.]\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\n[Bs. 5.29]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\neko 'py asau racayituṁ jagad-aṇḍa-koṭiṁ\nyac-chaktir asti jagad-aṇḍa-cayā yad-antaḥ\naṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham-\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.35]\n[He is an undifferentiated entity as there is no distinction between potency and the possessor thereof. In His work of creation of millions of worlds, His potency remains inseparable. All the universes exist in Him and He is present in His fullness in every one of the atoms that are scattered throughout the universe, at one and the same time. Such is the primeval Lord whom I adore.]\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\nlakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.29]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\n[end]",
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"content": "\n All right, you... Let your... Beginning of Kṛṣṇa consciousness means first of all faith. Ādau śraddhā: the beginning is faith. What is that faith? Faith means firm conviction that \"If I become transcendentally engaged in the service of the Lord, then my life becomes successful.\"\nThis is called faith. And that conviction must be firm, not tottering faith. So when this faith is created, then actually the initiation begins. Otherwise initiation is not accepted. Kṛṣṇe bhakti kaile sarva-karma kṛta haya [Cc. Madhya 22.62].\n[“Śraddhā is confident, firm faith that by rendering transcendental loving service to Kṛṣṇa one automatically performs all subsidiary activities. Such faith is favorable to the discharge of devotional service.]\n[break] When one is firmly convinced that \"If I be engaged in the transcendental loving service of Kṛṣṇa...\" When we speak of Kṛṣṇa, we should know, speak of God, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nSo this firm conviction is the beginning of initiation. The Bhagavad-gītā teaches this firm conviction gradually. And ultimately the Lord says, Kṛṣṇa says to Arjuna, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]:\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\n\"My dear Arjuna, you give up all other engagement. Just be engaged in My service or be engaged in executing My orders.\" \"Then what about other things?\" Kṛṣṇa assures, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi. If somebody thinks that \"If I give up all other engagements and simply be engaged in Your service, to carry out Your order, then what about my other engagements? I have got so many other duties. I am engaged in my family affairs, I am engaged in my social affairs, I am engaged in my country's affairs, community affairs, so many things, my... Then what about those things?\" Kṛṣṇa says that \"That I will see, how you can do it properly.\"\nJust like Arjuna. Arjuna was a military man. So Kṛṣṇa said that \"You give up all your engagements.\" That did not mean that Kṛṣṇa..., Arjuna gave up his engagement as a military man. To give up all other engagements means to give up the engagements of your sense gratification. Instead of... At the present moment, with all our activities we are trying to gratify our senses. That's all. And surrender to Kṛṣṇa means the beginning of satisfying the senses of Kṛṣṇa. That is called bhakti. This is the definition of bhakti.\nWhat is that bhakti? Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. One has to become free from all designations.\n[“’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nSo long we are in the material conditional life, we have got various designations—\"I am Indian,\" \"I am American,\" \"I am Hindu,\" \"I am Muslim,\" \"I am Christian,\" \"I am this,\" \"I am that,\" so many designations. \"I am nationalist,\" \"I am Communist,\" \"I am socialist,\" so many designations. So sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg. 18.66] means you have to give up the designations. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam. Now I am thinking, \"I am nationalist,\" \"I am Communist,\" \"I am American,\" \"I am Indian.\" So I have to give up these designations.\nAnd what I have to think? There must be thinking. I am not stopping my thinking what I am. That is indicated in the Vedas: ahaṁ brahmāsmi. That aham, my identity, is not lost, but at the present moment I am thinking that \"I am this,\" \"I am that,\" but you have to think, you have to identify with Brahman, the Supreme Brahman.\nAnd when you identify with the Supreme Brahman, that is your liberated stage. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā. When you identify yourself with Brahman, then at once you become free from all these designative activities. Prasannātmā: \"Oh, I have no more any duty in this material world.\" In this way, when you make further progress,\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg. 18.54]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nSo when one, after being freed from all designation, when one is actually engaged in the activities of Brahman, that is called bhakti, or devotional service.\nSo initiation means to be engaged in that Brahman activities. How Brahman activities? The same example can be cited, that Arjuna remained active, engaged in the battlefield, but in the beginning his identification was with his country, family and so many other things. But later on, after understanding Bhagavad-gītā, he identified himself with Kṛṣṇa. This identification with Kṛṣṇa means beginning of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo ādau śraddhā [Brs 1.4.15],\n[In the beginning there must be faith. Then one becomes interested in associating with pure devotees. Thereafter one is initiated by the spiritual master and executes the regulative principles under his orders. Thus one is freed from all unwanted habits and becomes firmly fixed in devotional service. Thereafter, one develops taste and attachment. This is the way of sādhana-bhakti, the execution of devotional service according to the regulative principles. Gradually emotions intensify, and finally there is an awakening of love. This is the gradual development of love of Godhead for the devotee interested in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.]\nWhen one becomes firmly convinced that \"By becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious, or being engaged in the transcendental loving service of Kṛṣṇa, my life is successful, life will be successful,\" that is the beginning of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or initiation. It is a stage. We have to go further and further till the stage of perfection. But initiation is the beginning. Ādau śraddhā. When one is firmly convinced, then he makes association with the devotees. Just like we have got this Society, International Society for Krishna Consciousness. We are picking up persons who desire to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. This is a Society.\nSo firm conviction, then association. Ādau śraddhā tato sādhu-saṅga [Cc. Madhya 23.14].\nUnless there is good association, you cannot be strong enough. In every field of activities you must have good association, either in business field, or if you want to be licentious, then you have to mix with persons who are drunkards. So association has got some strength. If you want to become scholars, then you have to associate with scholarly persons in the university. And if you want to be a thief, then you have to find out the association of the thieves. Similarly, if you want to be Kṛṣṇa conscious, then you have to find out persons who are Kṛṣṇa conscious. So firm conviction, then association.\nAfter association, the next stage is regulative life for following the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. This is called initiation. Or initiation from the very beginning, this is called dīkṣā. The Sanskrit term is called dīkṣā. Dīkṣā means... Di, divya-jñānam, transcendental knowledge; and kṣā, ikṣā. Ikṣā means darśana, to see, or kṣapayati, explains. That is called dīkṣā. Ādau śraddhā tato sādhu-saṅga. First faith, then association, then beginning of regulative principles. And if one follows, then the next promotion is to the stage of anartha-nivṛtti, disappearance of all misgivings.\nJust like in our association we don't allow four kinds of sinful activities: illicit sex life, nonvegetarian diet, intoxication and gambling. So by following the regulative principles one becomes freed from all these sinful activities. He does not any more indulge in illicit sex life, he does not indulge in nonvegetarian diet, he does not indulge in intoxication and he does not indulge in gambling. That is called anartha-nivṛtti. Unless one is above these four kinds of anartha, or sinful activities, one cannot be fixed up. When one is freed from these four kinds of sinful activities, then he becomes fixed up. Ruci. Niṣṭhā, fixed up, and then ruci. Ruci means he increases the taste.\nThen āsakti. Āsakti means attachment. Then ecstasy, bhāva. Then the last stage is that he becomes a lover of Kṛṣṇa, and that loving stage of Kṛṣṇa, there are different stages: śānta, dāsya, sakhya, vātsalya, mādhurya. The highest stage is the loving affairs between Kṛṣṇa and the gopīs. Of course, that is postgraduate stage of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, but that stage is considered to be the most perfectional stage, how to love Kṛṣṇa in the bhāva, or in the position, of a gopī.\nSo two boys who are now ready to be initiated, my request to all, especially to boys who are just going to be initiated, that this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is authorized because, even taking it for granted that it has begun from Kṛṣṇa, then it is at least five thousand years old. Kṛṣṇa appeared on this planet five thousand years ago. So if you take history of any religious or any cultural program within this world, no religion, no cultural program is older than 2,000 years or 2,500 years. But this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, even according to history, it is five thousand years old, the older than any principles of religion or culture.\nAnd if you go above historical references, then it is coming down from millions and millions of years past, because it was first instructed, as we understand from the Bhagavad-gītā, that it was first instructed to Sūrya. Imaṁ vivasvate proktam [Bg. 4.1]:\n[The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.]\n\"I first of all spoke this science to Vivasvān, Sūrya.\" Sūrya means sun-god. So nobody can trace out history when sun-god took the lessons, but we can have little information from Manu-saṁhitā, because Manu's age, Vivasvān... This age is called Vaivasvata Manu. So in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that first of all this initiation was given by Kṛṣṇa to Vaivasvata, and he instructed his son, whose name is Vaivasvata Manu. So Vaivasvata Manu, by calculation we can understand forty millions of years ago.\nSo this is not a new system that we are introducing or manufacturing by our concocted imagination, but it is authorized, coming down by disciplic succession from time immemorial. It may be that in this country it is being introduced for the last two or three years, but this system is the oldest system, oldest system, just like we are nityaḥ śāśvataḥ purāṇaḥ. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that the soul is eternal and Purāṇa. Purāṇa means the oldest. Purāṇa. And in the Brahma-saṁhitā it is also said, advaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam ādyam purāṇa-puruṣam [Bs. 5.33].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is inaccessible to the \nVedas,\n but obtainable by pure unalloyed devotion of the soul, who is without a second, who is not subject to decay, is without a beginning, whose form is endless, who is the beginning, and the eternal \npuruṣa;\n yet He is a person possessing the beauty of blooming youth.]\nSo Kṛṣṇa is also the oldest. Either Kṛṣṇa or the living creatures, all of them are the oldest, because they have no death, no birth. There is no history. Na jāyate na mriyate [Bg. 2.20]. \n[For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.]\nBhagavad-gītā says that the living entity, what to speak of God... They say, \"God is dead.\" This is all nonsense. What to speak of God, even these living creatures, they are not dead. The death program is for this body, just like changing, changing the body, er, changing the dress. So if one changes one dress or apartment, that does not mean that he is dead. Similarly, if we change this body to another body... As we are changing our body constantly, every moment, similarly, if we change this body to another body, that does not mean death.\nSo death is not accepted in the Vedic literature. So either God or the living creature, nobody dies. Everyone is eternal, śāśvata purāṇa. Similarly, as we are the oldest and eternal, similarly, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is also the oldest and eternal. [break]\nSo initiation means now we are in the consciousness of this body, which is never eternal—temporary. So we are going to Kṛṣṇa consciousness means we are going to our eternal consciousness. We are changing from the temporary, bodily consciousness to the eternal consciousness. This is the sum and substance of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nAnd we invite all ladies and gentlemen to come to our classes. We hold our classes three days in a week—Monday, Wednesday and Friday. So everyone is welcome, and everyone can inquire and understand the principles of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And if one is fortunate enough to understand what is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is, then his life will be perfect and successful.\n[to initiates:] Now you come forward.\n[break] Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Then again, one round sixt..., er, one bead, sixteen names. Then second bead. In this way finish 108, come here. Begin from here, again come there. In this way, finish sixteen rounds. And so far offenses, I will explain later on and you will get paper. So what is your name?",
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"content": "\n So your spiritual name is Bali Mardana dāsa. Take it. Just bow down. Nama...",
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"content": "\n\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhūtale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta svāmin iti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\n[repeats twice more]",
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"content": "\n Thank you. Come on. Be happy. Bali Mardana dāsa. B-a-l-i m-a-r-d-a-n. Bali Mardana dāsa brahmacārī. Bali Mardana means Kṛṣṇa's name. Kṛṣṇa, as Vāmanadeva, He punished Bali Mahārāja by capturing his whole kingdom. Mardana means punishment. And after all, Bali Mahārāja became an authority, because he showed the example of surrendering everything, sarvātma-snapane, even his body. First of all he gave his kingdom.\nThen, when it was not finished, then Kṛṣṇa demanded Vāmanadeva that \"You have finished all your kingdom. Still you are debtor for one step, another. Where shall I keep another step?\" So Bali Mahārāja said, \"Yes. I have got still place on my head. You can place Your step on my head.\" So he delivered his kingdom, his everything, at last his body, and Kṛṣṇa became purchased by him. And since then, Bali Mahārāja is one of the twelve authorities.\nsvayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ\nkumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ\nprahlādo janako bhīṣmo\nbalir vaiyāsakir vayam\n[SB 6.3.20]\n[Lord Brahmā, Bhagavān Nārada, Lord Śiva, the four Kumāras, Lord Kapila [the son of Devahūti], Svāyambhuva Manu, Prahlāda Mahārāja, Janaka Mahārāja, Grandfather Bhīṣma, Bali Mahārāja, Śukadeva Gosvāmī and I myself know the real religious principle. My dear servants, this transcendental religious principle, which is known as bhāgavata-dharma, or surrender unto the Supreme Lord and love for Him, is uncontaminated by the material modes of nature. It is very confidential and difficult for ordinary human beings to understand, but if by chance one fortunately understands it, he is immediately liberated, and thus he returns home, back to Godhead.]\nSo Bali is... Bali Mardana does not mean that he was... Because he was punished by Kṛṣṇa, he is not ordinary person; he is authority. So even a person punished by Kṛṣṇa becomes authority. Kṛṣṇa is so nice. What to speak of a person who is directly loved by Kṛṣṇa, even one is punished by Kṛṣṇa, he becomes authority. So therefore Kṛṣṇa's name is Bali Mardana. And Bali Mardana dāsa means Kṛṣṇa dāsa, one who is servant of Kṛṣṇa. Is that clear? Yes.\n[break] [japa] [break] So that list you have not made, offenses, ten kinds of...?",
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"content": "\n Why? You do that. They should be given that. You should avoid chanting, every one of you, ten kinds of offenses. The first offense is to decry the scriptures, Vedas. To accept authority of Vedas. Not to accept or decrying scriptures. Vedas means the book of transcendental knowledge. Not only Bhagavad-gītā, even Bible or Koran, they are also, although, I mean to say, Bhagavad-gītā, I mean to say... Higher or secondary or primary, that is different.\nBut whenever there is information of God, that is scripture, recognized. So we are concerned with the Vedas. So anyway, other scripture which is giving information of God scientifically or accepted by persons, that is also Vedas. So one should not blaspheme the Vedas. This is first offense, to blaspheme.\nAnd satāṁ nindā, those who are preaching the message of God, they should not be blasphemed. And then never interpret in the scriptures or in the chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa. And sāmya śubha-kriyā mati-pramādaḥ.\n[It is offensive to consider the chanting of the holy name equal to the performance of ordinary religious ceremonies or fire sacrifices, the observance of austere vows, or the practice of renunciation, all of which are materialistic auspicious activities.]\nThis chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa should not be executed as something auspicious activities. People generally go to church, to temple, to counteract their sinful activities.\nSomebody thinks actually that \"If I go to church or temple, if I confess before God, then my sinful activities will be counteracted.\" But hari-nāma should not be taken in that way. If we think that \"I am chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, therefore I am free to commit all kinds of nonsense,\" then no. Then we will not be able to make progress. Sāmya śubha-kriyā mati-pramādaḥ.\nAnd nāmna artha-vāda. And while chanting, to think of ahaṁ mameti [SB 5.5.8], \n[The attraction between male and female is the basic principle of material existence. On the basis of this misconception, which ties together the hearts of the male and female, one becomes attracted to his body, home, property, children, relatives and wealth. In this way one increases life's illusions and thinks in terms of \"I and mine.\"]\nMoha, this world as \"mine,\" \"I am this body,\" and without attention, to inattentive, to become inattentive... While chanting, you must hear. Hare Kṛṣṇa—you must give attention to hear. In this way there is paper. You will take from your Godbrothers ten kinds of offenses. If you avoid the offenses, then you make very good progress of chanting. You get good result.\nThe first stage is chanting with offenses. That is natural, because nobody is expert. The second stage is without offenses. When one can chant without offenses, then he becomes liberated. And the third stage is to achieve in the transcendental platform in the loving service of the Lord. So this chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa is so powerful that it will gradually elevate you to the highest position.\nChant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [break] [prayers for fire sacrifice]\nnama apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bāhyābhyantara-śuciḥ\nśrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu\n[Garuḍa Purāṇa]\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\n[break] [end]",
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"content": "\n[kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\n[05:51]\nmayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha\nyogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ\nasaṁśayaṁ samagraṁ māṁ\nyathā jñāsyasi tac chṛṇu\n[Bg. 7.1]\n[Now hear, O son of Pṛthā [Arjuna], how by practicing yoga in full consciousness of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from doubt.]\nMayy āsakta. Mayy means \"unto Me.\" Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, says, \"Unto Me, Kṛṣṇa.\" We cannot interpret in a different way. When I say that \"Give me a glass of water,\" it means that I am the person who is in want of a glass of water.\nAnd if you supply me, not to others, then it is right. So when Kṛṣṇa says \"unto Me,\" that means Kṛṣṇa. But sometimes rascal interpreters, they say something else. Why? Even grammatically this is wrong. Kṛṣṇa says \"unto Me\"; therefore the action should be unto Kṛṣṇa, not of any other else.\nSo Kṛṣṇa says mayi, \"unto Me\"; āsakta, \"attachment.\" One who has developed attachment for Kṛṣṇa, that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just like if you have got attachment for your lover, you always think of him. That is..., is lover consciousness. There is a very—this is natural—a Sanskrit verse in which it is stated that a woman who has got another lover besides her husband, she shows very attentive for her household duties, but she is always thinking when she will meet at night her lover.\n[aside:] Please sit properly.\nSo as it is possible that in spite of our all engagements, if I love somebody I think of him always, materially it is possible, why not spiritually? That is the whole teaching of Bhagavad-gītā.\nKṛṣṇa says to Arjuna, yudhyasva mām anusmara [Bg. 8.7]:\n[Therefore, Arjuna, you should always think of Me in the form of Kṛṣṇa and at the same time carry out your prescribed duty of fighting. With your activities dedicated to Me and your mind and intelligence fixed on Me, you will attain Me without doubt.]\n\"As a fighter, you have to fight. You cannot go away from fighting. It is not your duty.\" Nowadays—I have got experience, practical experience—that the drafting board of your country, calling some boy that \"You join military,\" but he is not willing. Why? Because he is not trained as a kṣatriya. He is trained as a śūdra.\nTherefore the caste system is very scientific. A section of people should be trained as brāhmaṇas. Those who are intelligent enough in the society, they should be picked up for being trained in higher philosophical science. Those who are less intelligent than the brāhmaṇas, they should be given military training.\nWe require everything—not that everyone is military man. This is nonsense. How everyone can be military man? Because they are sending śūdras to Vietnam, they are unnaturally being killed. So any country who is very proud of scientific advancement, if he does not know how to organize society, he is a fool. He's a fool.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find Kṛṣṇa says that the four division of society: brāhmaṇas, kṣatriya, vaiśya and śūdra. That is natural. Somebody is inclined for spiritual advancement, oh, they should be picked up as brāhmaṇas. Now, we are training boys who are spiritually inclined, and now unnecessarily they are being called for military service. Just see how discrepancy. The foolish person has no knowledge that \"This boy is being trained up in higher science. Why he should be disturbed?\" But they have no idea. Therefore imperfect.\nThe intellectual persons, those who have got brahminical qualification... These boys are being restrained for being trained up as brāhmaṇa, brahmacārī. They don't take, I mean to say, meat-eating; they don't take part in intoxication; they don't take part in gambling; they don't take part in illicit sex life. So they are being trained as complete brāhmaṇa, the highest intellectual person, purified person in the society. If there is one brāhmaṇa in a family, or one society, the whole family, whole society becomes sanctified.\nSo these rascals, they have no knowledge how to train as brāhmaṇa, how to train as kṣatriya, how to train as vaiśya. Just like, of course, in other field of action, in the śūdras and vaiśyas, there is nice training in your country. If anyone wants to become a businessman, oh, there is training, colleges and schools, technological. That's nice, very nice. But why everyone should be dragged for technology? This is foolishness.\nJust like in your body, for maintenance, proper maintenance of the body you require the head, you require the arms, you require the belly, you require the legs. So all these four divisions of the body required. You cannot say, \"Oh, we don't require this head.\" Oh, it is nonsense. You require everything. You require the head, you require the arms, you require the belly and you require the leg. This is fit body.\nSuppose if there is a body without head—oh, it is dead body. It is body undoubtedly, but if there is no head, simply the trunk is there, it is called dead body. The head is considered to be the intellectual part of the body. Similarly, if there is no brāhmaṇa in the society, that is a dead body. If there is no spiritual man in the society, that is a dead society. This is very nice, natural division.\nTherefore Bhagavān Kṛṣṇa says, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13]:\n[According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.]\n\"I have created the four divisions of society according to quality and work.\" If somebody is working just like a brahmacārī, brāhmaṇa, and he has acquired the quality... What is that quality? To understand Kṛṣṇa or the Supreme Lord. So he's a brāhmaṇa. Why he should be called for the action of the arms? The arms for defending, that is kṣatriya.\nOf course, that is required. To protect the country, to protect the society, military arrangement should be there. Nobody disapproves. But not the brāhmaṇas. It is putting the horse before a cart. Horse is required for different purpose. Another beast of those, asses, mules and bulls, they are required for towing cart.\nSo there is derangement of the social order in the present-day world. Why? There is no head. They are all rascals. I frankly say it. Anybody may come. Any society where there is no intellectual persons or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that is a rascal society, because there is no head. Either it is madman or a headless man or dead body. If there is no brain, there is no head.\nIf the brain is not working properly, then he's a madman. And if there is no head at all, then he's a dead man. So do you think in a dead society or in a mad society there can be any peace? No. What is peace? If the dead..., society is already dead; what do you mean by peace? And if the society is all full of madmen, then where is the question of peace?\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the most important subject of the present-day society. The responsible men who are leading the society, the president, or the secretaries, or the mayor, they should have intelligence to understand. But if we approach... The other day when I was coming to your country, I met in Japan, Tokyo, one chief secretary of the governor. I wanted to explain to him that \"You just cooperate with this movement.\"\nHe said, \"Oh, we are secular. We cannot cooperate with any religious movement.\" Just see. He's one of the chief secretaries of the governor, and he's such a fool. He is taking this movement as religious movement. Just like they have got so many sentimental religions. Oh, it is not sentimental. It is the necessity of the society that a class of men should be Kṛṣṇa conscious. Otherwise the society is doomed. It is going to hell. They have no brain.\nSo brainless persons, rascals, are on the head of government, how there can be peace? How you can expect peace in the dog's society? The dogs are by nature howling—\"how, how, how\"—as soon as he sees another dog. So do you mean to say there can be peace? So if you turn human society into dog society, into cat society, into tiger society...\nTiger is very powerful. He can kill many other animals. Does it mean it is very important animal? No. It has no use in the society. Undoubtedly it is very powerful. It has got the good weapons to fight, and it can kill many. These are not qualifications for good men or good society. Why you are afraid of a tiger? Why you are afraid of a monkey?\nSo we are not meant to manufacture a society of monkeys or tigers or asses and mules. The asses, they work very hard. Do you mean to say a society of ass will derive any benefit? No. We want human society. Human society. Otherwise, what is the use of becoming human being?\nSo the situation is so difficult that... It is very difficult to push on this movement, but still we have to do it. And this is the highest yoga. If you push on this movement of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then you'll be performing the highest type of yoga. Don't be misled by so-called yogas. This is yoga. Yoga means that cooperation, cooperation with the Supreme.\nJust like the head. Head, if the head... The head means head, chief. Why this part of the body is called head? Because it is chief. The brain is working. It orders the hand, \"Come here,\" it comes. Oh. Therefore it is head. It at once orders the leg, \"Go on,\" \"Oh, I must walk.\" Therefore it is head.\nSo a section of person must be head of the society. They must order, and others will work. Then there will be peace. Then there will be peace. But if the leg takes the part of working like head, how it can work? Leg is accustomed to carry order to walk. It cannot work as the brain. Therefore, when the śūdras or the leg take the part of the head, working like head, it is all disorder. It is all disorder. Therefore this yoga system, Kṛṣṇa consciousness yoga system, should be popularized. It is essential in order to stop all nonsense propaganda.\nSo Kṛṣṇa says mayya, mayy āsakta-manāḥ [Bg. 7.1]: \"Those who have developed attachment for Me...\" Kṛṣṇa attachment can be developed. Just like before my coming here, there was no movement like this, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, but you are developing. You had no... Kṛṣṇa was not born in your country. You do not accept Kṛṣṇa as your religious God. But Kṛṣṇa is so attractive that although you are foreigners... You are not foreigners. To Kṛṣṇa you are not a foreigner. He claims everybody as His son. We make Him foreigner. This is our foolishness.\nKṛṣṇa says, sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya [Bg. 14.4]:\n[It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kuntī, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father.]\n\"My dear Arjuna, there are many different forms in different species of life, undoubtedly, but I am their father.\" Just see how Kṛṣṇa is universal. He is claiming not only the human society, but even animal society, even the bird society, beast society, aquatic society, botany society, everyone. Everyone He says that \"I am the father.\" So how Kṛṣṇa can be foreign to you? No.\nIt is mental concoction that \"Kṛṣṇa is Indian\" or \"Kṛṣṇa is worshiped by the Hindus; therefore He is one of the Hindu gods.\" He never said that \"I am Hindu god; I am Indian.\" Just like the sun. If you say, \"It is American sun,\" is it possible, American? Sun is sun. Why American sun or Indian sun? Nothing is American, Indian. It is all artificial. This planet, this planet also, it belongs to the human society, that's all. This is real communism. This is real communism. These Communists also, they are defective because... Just like the Russians. They say...\n[break] ...Russians or the Chinese. They are speaking that \"China is for the Chinese.\" Why not for others? Then what sort of communism it is?\nJust think in terms of the human community. Human community. So this... Why human community? Living being community. If you make this world as belonging to the human society, that is defective. It belongs to everyone. It belongs to the trees community, it belongs to the beast community. They have got right to live. Why should you cut the trees? Why should you send the bulls to the slaughterhouse? This is injustice.\nAnd how you can meet justice by doing yourself injustice? Because you have no Kṛṣṇa consciousness. You do not know that Kṛṣṇa is our original father and we are all sons. The tree is my brother, the ant is my brother, the bull is my brother, the American is my brother, the Indian is my brother, the Chinese my brother. This is universal.\nTherefore you have to develop Kṛṣṇa consciousness before you talk of this nonsense universal brotherhood and this United Nations and all this nonsense. These are useless talks if you have no idea how to think of universal brotherhood or United Nations. Useless. Therefore they are talking for years, years. Still, they are the same fools. Don't you see? The United Nation, they have got their headquarter here. Simply talking nonsense. That's all. That is their business.\nSo unless there is full-fledged Kṛṣṇa consciousness, there cannot be any improvement of the world situation. You have to learn it. So how to do that? Kṛṣṇa says, mayy āsakta-manāḥ [Bg. 7.1]. You have to develop your attachment for Kṛṣṇa. Begin it. Now, begin... Not begin it; that is a very difficult job. But you can do it. It is not difficult. Just as we have got a few students here, sincere students, both boys and..., they are developing. If not complete, but they are developing, Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise, why they shall waste their time in chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa? They are developing.\nAnd it can be developed. You can develop love for anything if you try for it. But Kṛṣṇa development, Kṛṣṇa conscious development, is very natural, because Kṛṣṇa is not a thing belonging to a particular type of religion or sect or society. Kṛṣṇa claims that \"I belong to everyone.\" Therefore, originally, you are all connected with Kṛṣṇa. Simply you have forgotten.\nSo this process of chanting is to invoke your remembrance for Kṛṣṇa. That's all. It is not that we are implementing something artificially in you. No. Kṛṣṇa is already connected with you. You have forgotten, and we are trying to give you the process how you can revive your original consciousness. So mayy āsakta-manāḥ [Bg. 7.1]. So when you come to this place, temple, this is the beginning. This [is] the beginning of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nIf you see Kṛṣṇa or Kṛṣṇa's devotees, if you chant \"Kṛṣṇa...\" Kṛṣṇa is not different from the name, because He's absolute. He is not different. The word \"Kṛṣṇa\" and the person Kṛṣṇa, or God Kṛṣṇa, is not different, because everything is Kṛṣṇa. The oneness, the philosophy of monism or pantheism, is perfect. When that oneness comes in understanding Kṛṣṇa, that is perfection. If Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Absolute Truth from whom everything is emanating, then everything is Kṛṣṇa.\nJust like you have a gold mine and you are preparing so many golden utensils, ornaments and many other things, but they are all gold, because the origin is gold. Similarly, you may name it as \"earring,\" but you have to add \"gold\" earring. You may name it as \"necklace,\" but \"gold.\" Because originally it is coming from the gold mine. Similarly, originally, everything is coming from Kṛṣṇa. Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]. Because if He is Supreme, He is Absolute Truth, then nothing is different from Him.\nJust like either you say earrings or necklace or bangle or wristwatch, if they are all made of gold, they are gold. But you cannot say at the same time, \"This is gold, this is gold.\" \"This is gold necklace.\" If you say that \"Why necklace? It is gold...\" The Māyāvādī philosophers say, \"Everything is gold. Everything is Brahman.\" No. \"Everything is Brahman\" is all right, but it is this, but the Brahman.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā it is very nicely explained in the Thirteenth Chapter, mayā tatam idaṁ sarvam [Bg. 9.4]:\n[By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.]\n\"I am expanded all over.\" Sarvam. Sarva means all over. Avyakta-mūrtinā: \"That is My impersonal feature.\" Kṛṣṇa is everywhere in His impersonal, but still He is person. The Māyāvāda philosophy thinks that \"If Kṛṣṇa has become everything, then where is the necessity of Kṛṣṇa again, person?\" This is rascaldom, because he is thinking in material way. He has no spiritual knowledge.\nMaterial way... Suppose if you take a piece of paper and you may make it in particles and throw it all over; the original paper has no existence. This is material. But we get information from the Vedas that pūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya pūrṇam evāvaśiṣyate [Īśo Invocation].\n[The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the Complete Whole is also complete in itself. Because He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance.]\nThe Absolute Truth is so perfect that if you take the whole perfect, still, the perfect remains. One minus one equal to one, not zero. The material way of thinking is \"One minus one equal to zero,\" but spiritual way is not like that. Spiritual way is \"One minus one equal to one. One plus one equal to one.\" Oneness. This is the conception of oneness.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is everything. The atheist will say, \"Oh, they have installed some wooden forms and they are worshiping as gods.\" Atheistic. And one who knows the Kṛṣṇa science, he'll understand that \"Kṛṣṇa is everything; therefore He can appear in everything.\" If electricity current is everywhere, so wherever you touch current, you'll feel, \"Here is current.\" Similarly, the Kṛṣṇa current in impersonal form is everywhere. It is the technician who knows how to use that current. That's all.\nSo... Just like we get telephonic connection. We simply inform the person, deposit our money. They come immediately. They find out where the connection can be done, and he does his work. We do not know. He knows the technique, how to join telephone wire. Within a few seconds he joins and he, oh, \"kling, kling,\" you are ready.\nSo one must know how to connect Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is everywhere. This is Kṛṣṇa conscious movement. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. One must know how we can derive from these features of Kṛṣṇa's forms in wood or iron or metal... That doesn't matter. Kṛṣṇa is everywhere. But you have to learn how to contact Kṛṣṇa with everything. That will be explained in this system of yoga. You'll learn it.\nSo the Kṛṣṇa consciousness is also a yoga, the perfect yoga, the highest of all yogic systems. Anyone, any yogī may come, and we can challenge and we can say that this is the A-1 yoga system. This is A-1, and it is very simple at the same time. You haven't got to exercise your body. Suppose if you are weak or you feel some tiredness, but in Kṛṣṇa consciousness you won't feel.\nAll our students, they are simply anxious to be overloaded with work, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. \"Swāmījī, what shall I do? What can I do?\" They are actually doing, nicely. Very nice. They don't feel tired. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. In the material world, if you work for some time, then you'll feel tired. You'll require rest.\nOf course, I am not, I mean to say, exaggerating myself. I am an old man of seventy-two years. Oh, I was ill. I went back to India. I have come again. I want to work. I want to work. Naturally, I would have retired from all these activities, but I don't feel... So far I can do, I want work. I want to..., day and night. At night I work with Dictaphone.\nSo I am sorry..., I become sorry if I cannot work. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. One must be very much anxious to work. It is not that it is an idle society. No. We have got sufficient engagement. They are editing papers, they are selling papers. Just simply find out how Kṛṣṇa conscious can be spread, these boys. This is practical.\nSo if you want really peace, if you want to be happy, take to this philosophy, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And the beginning is how to develop attachment for Kṛṣṇa. So the process which we have prescribed, this chanting before the Deities and offering prasādam, this will make you gradually advanced. So we shall talk later on further on this subject. If there is any question, you can inquire.",
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"content": "\n Why not? Do you think we are simply wasting our time with this process? Why lifetime? Within a second you can do. It is spiritual process. It is not material process, that you require so much time. No. It requires simply the spiritual technique, to know how you can develop Kṛṣṇa attachment. As soon as you are cent per cent attached with Kṛṣṇa, your business is finished. Ārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim [Nārada-pañcarātra 1.2.6].\n[If one worships Lord Kṛṣṇa and considers Him the goal of life, then there is no need to execute severe types of austerity. And, if after executing all kinds of tapasya, one cannot reach Kṛṣṇa, then all his tapasya has no value, for without Kṛṣṇa consciousness different types of austerities are wasted labor.]\nThe whole formula is that you have to develop your attachment for Kṛṣṇa.\nSo if you have developed such attachment for Kṛṣṇa, then your business is finished. No more. That's all right. And nārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim. And if you cannot develop fully Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then all your labor is waste of time. There is no need of advertising yourself that \"I am religious, I am philosopher, I am yogī.\" All is nonsense if at the end there is no Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So if Kṛṣṇa consciousness is there, so all these things end. And if there is no Kṛṣṇa consciousness, these are all useless labor.\nārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim\nnārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim\n[Nārada Pañcarātra 1.2.6]\nThe whole business is how to develop attachment for Kṛṣṇa. If you have developed that attachment within a second, oh, then the business is finished within a second. And if you cannot develop that attachment for years, then it is very difficult. The only test is how you have developed your attachment for Kṛṣṇa. If you are serious about it, it can be done within a second.\nIf you are not serious about it, it cannot be done in many lives. So that depends on your serious nature. Kṛṣṇa is not a material thing that it requires some particular time or... No. The only thing is mayy āsakta-manāḥ [Bg. 7.1]. You have to develop your full attachment for Kṛṣṇa. That you can test, whether you have full attachment for Kṛṣṇa. Then it is..., the business is finished.",
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"content": "\n It is samādhi itself. Samādhi means to be absorbed in some particular type of thought. That is called samādhi. So if you are fully Kṛṣṇa conscious, that is samādhi. Twenty-four hours samādhi. Not that a periodical samādhi. The ordinary yogīs, they... Of course, samādhi is not, I mean to say, ordinary term.\nSuppose if he can remain in samādhi, say, for a little period, say, one hour, two hours, but Kṛṣṇa conscious person is in samādhi twenty-four hours, cent per cent, because he is always thinking of Kṛṣṇa. That is being explained. Mayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ [Bg. 7.1]. If one performs yoga, taking shelter of Kṛṣṇa, and always thinks of Kṛṣṇa, then he is in samādhi.",
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"content": "\n When he develops attachment for Kṛṣṇa. Nobody can certify him. He will certify himself. If you have got attachment for any other thing, then you are not in samādhi. If you have only attachment for Kṛṣṇa, then you are in samādhi. You don't require certificate from others. You know yourself. Just like while eating you can understand whether you are satisfied or not.\nWhile eating, if you are hungry man, if you are eating, you'll know, \"Oh, I have eaten something. I am feeling now strength.\" You don't require to inquire from your friend, \"Oh, am I feeling strength?\" \"Oh,\" he'll say, \"what nonsense. You know yourself.\" Similarly, if you have... You can test yourself whether you have got full attachment for Kṛṣṇa. If not, you are not in samādhi. The test is in your hand.\nAnd that is being explained. Mayy āsakta-manāḥ [Bg. 7.1]: in full attachment for Kṛṣṇa. And you can understand what is the meaning of attachment. You have got attachment for sex. You have got attachment for so many things. So similarly, if you have developed attachment only for Kṛṣṇa and you have no more any other attachment, then you are in samādhi. It is not artificial; it is practical.\n[pause] Śrī Rāma.\n[46:54]\n[kīrtana] [Prabhupāda leads Śrī Rāma] [end]",
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"content": "\n [aside] So you require some fans. They are, the devotees, they are very inconvenienced. So you're… From next time you just arrange for some fans. Whatever facility you have got, you can use them for Kṛṣṇa’s sake. Nirbandhe kṛṣṇa-sambandhe yukta-vairāgyam ucyate [Brs 1.2.255]. Dry renouncement is not recommended by our ācāryas.\nna tathā hy aghavān rājan\npūyeta tapa-ādibhiḥ\nyathā kṛṣṇārpita-prāṇas\ntat-puruṣa-niṣevayā\n[SB 6.1.16]\nSo this verse we have been discussing, that… The beginning of the discussion was that people are suffering, just like a man suffers from disease. There are different types of pains. So this material world is a place where we have to suffer different types of pains by different causes. That is our position, actual position. Tridhāpa-jantrama[?]. They are called… Tri means \"three.\" The Sanskrit word tri and the Latin \"three,\" almost…\n[loud thunder]\nNow here, this thunderbolt is another pain. This is called ādhidaivika—pains or miseries offered by the demigods. According to Vedic conception, this thunderbolt is thrown by Lord Indra, the king of heaven. He is in charge of cloud and rains. So when the thunderbolt is there, it is very painful. The other day one of our student was telling me a story that on the plane, Mr. George Harrison, he was descending by the modern jumbo plane, but there was lightning and thunderbolt, and the plane was in very great danger when it was descending on New York. So he began to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [laughter] So every passenger was surprised, \"Why this fellow is chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa?\" So some way or other, he said, that \"We are saved.\"\nThat is a fact, of course. You believe or not believe, that is a different thing, but it is a fact, [loud thunder] that taking shelter of this mahā-mantra, if you always keep yourself in chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra... It is not very difficult task. Simply you have to agree, that’s all. It is not difficult. Just like our boys and girls, they are chanting always, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare. What is your loss? You are not losing anything. But if there is gain, eh? Why don’t you try it? Eh?\nYou are not losing any money. We are not charging any money, [thunder] that I shall give you this mantra. No. We are giving this mantra, chanting in the street, chanting in the… So you simply practice it and do it and see the result. We are not asking anything, \"You first of all you do this, or that,\" or \"You pay us something.\" No. We are simply inviting you, \"Please come and chant with us Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, dance with us, and be happy.\" What is their objection? I do not find any objection. No sane man will say, \"No, I have got objection.\" What is the objection?\n[loud thunder]\nSo this world is always—we should remember—full of miseries. We are thinking that \"I am very comfortably situated.\" That is illusion. That is māyā. This is wrong conception. You should be very much pessimistic, not optimistic. Optimistic, that is animal conception. The animals, they do not know. Any miserable condition, even in the slaughterhouse, just after few minutes the animal will be slaughtered, but it is thinking that \"I am safe,\" eating grass. I have seen the goat. In India, of course, they do not slaughter cows. Some of them slaughter cows. So the one goat is being slaughtered, and the other goat is standing there eating grass. It is thinking that \"I am very safe.\"\nSo that is illusion. This question was raised by Dharmarāja to Yudhiṣṭhira: \"What is the most wonderful thing in this world?\" He replied, \"This is the most wonderful thing.\" What is that? Ahany ahani lokāni gacchanti yama-mandiram [Mahābhārata, Vana-parva 313.116]: in every moment so many men are going to yama-mandriyam—means to the hands of the cruel death—śeṣāḥ sthitam icchanti: but those who are not dying immediately, they are thinking, \"I am safe. We are safe.\" Everyone is thinking, \"I will not die.\" My father died; that’s all right. My brother; that’s all right. But he is thinking, \"I will not die.\" This is called illusion.\nBut there is no remedy. We are inventing so many scientific, I mean to say, processes to counteract difficulties. The scientific research is going on, how to counteract [thunder] nature’s onslaught on us. Just like here is a nature’s onslaught—thunderbolt. Now how you can counteract it? You have some measures of counteract; that does not mean it is perfect. At any moment, everything can be dismantled. So śeṣāḥ sthitam icchanti kim aścaryam ataḥ param [Mahābhārata, Vana-parva 313.116]. I am seeing... The same example: one goat is seeing that his fellow goat is being slaughtered, but he is thinking that he will not be killed. This is called illusion.\nSo here it is said that aghavān. Aghavān. Agha means sin. We are suffering all threefolds miseries. Threefold miseries means one kind of misery is due to this body and mind, that is called ādhyātmika—pertaining to the body and mind. Another kind of misery, ādhyātmika, ādhibhautika—miseries offered by other living entities: some enemy, some animal, causes some pains to your body, to your mind. So that is called adhi…, ādhyātmika, ādhibhautika. And ādhidaivika—miseries offered by the demigods. Just like we believe that this thunderbolt is thrown by the Lord Indra.\nSo these three kinds of miserable condition of material existence is going on, either three all at a time or two at a time. At least one must be there. That is our conditional life. And these miseries are offered to us due to our sinful life. That’s all. Without sin, nobody suffers. So in the material world every one of us—rich, poor, educated, noneducated, black, white, this, that, Christian, Hindu, Muslim, everyone—everyone is under these threefold miseries. That’s a fact. Therefore… But everyone is trying to get out of miseries. That is also another fact.\nNobody wants to suffer. Everyone wants to be very peaceful and prosperous. Why? Because we are originally spiritual spark, part of God, sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1], who is eternal, blissful and full of knowledge. Therefore eternally we are also blissful, although you may be part. Just like the part of gold is gold. So we are small eternal, and God is big eternal. That is the difference, that a big mine of gold and big earring of gold—both of them are gold. The quality, chemical quality, is the same.\nSo God is by nature ānanda-mayo 'bhyāsāt [Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12]. In the Vedānta-sūtra it is said that God is blissful by nature—always enjoying pleasure. Just like here we see Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa is enjoying. He is playing on flute. And Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, His pleasure potency, is there. So this is the perfect picture of God, full of enjoyment. Why God shall be engaged in other things which is not enjoyment?\nTherefore ānanda-mayo 'bhyāsāt: He is by nature ānanda-mayo, blissful. Just like we also try to, because we are part and parcel, a small particle of God, we also try to enjoy pleasure in association of young boys, young girls. That is… Why… Wherefrom this idea comes? The idea comes from God. In the Vedānta-sūtra it is said, janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]. Everything, whatever we see, it is coming from Him.\nSo by nature we should be always engaged in pleasure potency. But then why you are in this miserable condition? This question must arise in human form of life. If it does not, then he has not come to the perfection of human life. If he thinks that \"I am happy,\" then still he is in animal process of life. He has not developed his human consciousness. If he is self-complacent, that \"I am happy...\" This is the sign of advancement of consciousness. And when he comes to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that means he gives up this material consciousness, unhappy consciousness of material existence, and come to the pleasure platform of Kṛṣṇa. Then his life is perfect.\nTherefore we have to change the consciousness. In the material platform, or in material consciousness, we shall be always suffering by the threefold miseries. Just like this thunderbolt. You Americans, you may think that you are the richest nation in the world, but you cannot avoid this thunderbolt. That is not possible. You may have riches more than other countries, but that does not mean there will be no more thunderbolt in your country, there will be no more disease in your country, no more death in your country. These things must be there in material existence, however scientifically or economically you may be advanced.\nSo janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi [Bg. 13.9], not only on this planet, in every planet you go. Either you go to the moon planet… They are going to the moon planet, although they cannot live there; they come back. Anyway, any planet you go, the four things will follow within this material world—janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi. Janma means birth, the pains of birth, the pains of death. When a child is born, the mother also suffers from pain and the child also suffers from pain.\nHe is coming out from a packed-up condition, suffocated condition. So as soon as the child comes out from the mother’s womb, it feels relief: \"Oh.\" In seven months he develops the consciousness, and the child suffers too much. He prays. One who is fortunate, he prays to God: \"My dear Lord, please get me out from this condition. This time I shall simply be devotee.\"\nSo we have to repeated…, we have to accept repeated birth and death. That is suffering. Janma-mṛtyu. Then old age. Before death, when one is old, the limbs are not so strong, the stomach is not so strong. There are so many diseases. So we are always suffering from diseases..., from some kinds of pains. And pleasure, it is simply a mental concoction. There is no pleasure. Actually there is always pains.\nTherefore the śāstric conclusion—we are discussing this point—that we suffer from pains, different miserable condition, on account of our sinful life. And for getting out of sinful life, so many prescriptions are given: that you have to undergo austerity, celibacy, you have to control your mind, you have to control your senses, you have to give your money in charity, you should be very truthful, you should be very cleanse, so on—so many methods. And now here it is said that even if we undergo all these processes of purification from our sinful life, they are never complete.\nTherefore Śukadeva Gosvāmī says,\nna tathā hy aghavān rājan\npūyeta tapa-ādibhiḥ\n[SB 6.1.16]\nOne cannot be completely purified by this process. Then how he can be purified?\nyathā kṛṣṇārpita-prāṇas\ntat-puruṣa-niṣevayā\n[SB 6.1.16]\nAs one can become purified immediately, simply offering himself, his everything, dedicated himself to the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṇa. Yathā kṛṣṇārpita-prāṇas. Prāṇa means life force, living force. That is called prāṇa. So that is very dear to us. We do not wish to give up our living force. Therefore whenever there is possibility of death, we take all possible care to preserve that living force.\nBut if one dedicates this living force, the living energy… Just like these boys and girls, they have given; all their energies have been given to Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇārpita-prāṇas. Arpita means dedicating, and prāṇa means the living force. Kṛṣṇārpita-prāṇas tat-puruṣa-niṣevayā.\nHow one can dedicate the living force of oneself to Kṛṣṇa? Tat-puruṣa-niṣevayā: by serving that Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore you have got the eternal form of the Lord, Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa, and all activities are engaged to render Him service. By this process one will be able to dedicate his everything to Kṛṣṇa. And when he has actually done it, then all the other processes, they are automatically achieved—the result of such processes—automatically.\nTepus tapas te sasnur āryā [SB 3.33.7]. Anyone who has engaged himself in the devotional service of Kṛṣṇa, it is to be understood that he has already undergone all the processes of austerity, celibacy and controlling... Everything he has already done. Just like if you see that a man, a person, is admitted as a student in law college, it is to be understood that he has passed his graduation, education in the college, because without being graduate, nobody is admitted in the law college. Similarly, anyone who has taken to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it is to be understood that he has already passed all the processes recommended for getting out of contamination of sinful activities.\nThat is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā also: yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ. Without being freed from all the contamination of sinful activities, one cannot be attached to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nyeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ\njanānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām\n[Bg. 7.28]\nPersons who are simply engaged in pious activities, such person, te dvandva-moha-nirmuktā. Dvandva-moha-nirmuktā: whether I shall worship Kṛṣṇa or whether I shall worship Durgā or Kali or the Śiva or this or that, or so many, there are worshipable object. But, according to Bhagavad-gītā, mām ekaṁ. Kṛṣṇa says, \"Only unto Me.\"\nSo anyone who takes to this process, only to Kṛṣṇa, they are dvandva-moha-nirmuktā, they are freed from all dualities. No more dualities. Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28]: Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead; therefore I must surrender unto Kṛṣṇa and engage myself in the service of the Lord. This is called kṛṣṇārpita-prāṇa, dedicated to Kṛṣṇa.\nsadhrīcīno hy ayaṁ loke\npanthāḥ kṣemo 'kuto-bhayaḥ\n[SB 6.1.17]\nNow, Śukadeva Gosvāmī is recommending actually this is the perfect system, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is the perfect..., sadhrīcīno, sadhrīcīna, just suitable. Sadhrīcīno hy ayaṁ loke. In this material world, this is the perfect system of getting uncontaminated, or purified from the sinful life. Sadhrīcīno hy ayaṁ loke, panthāḥ, the path, kṣemaḥ, profitable, akutaḥ-bhayaḥ, without any danger, without any fear, akuto bhayaḥ.\nsuśīlāḥ sādhava yatra\nnārāyaṇa-parāyaṇāḥ\n[SB 6.1.17]\nSo devotees of Lord Kṛṣṇa, they are very suśīlāḥ. Suśīlāḥ means gentle, well-behaved. That is another test. Suśīlāḥ: they are very gentle. Others may ill-treat them, but they are very tolerant. They treat with others with very gentle behavior. You will find it practically. They are never, I mean to say, disregardful to anyone, even being insulted. Suśīlāḥ, sādhava. Why suśīlāḥ? Because they are sādhu. Sādhu means saintly. Saintly. Sadhavaḥ sādhu-bhūṣaṇām [SB 3.25.21].\nWhat is a saint? Saintly means titikṣava. Titikṣava means they are very tolerant. Don’t you see that Jesus Christ was crucified—still he was tolerant. He did not take any revenge. This is called suśīlāḥ sādhava, tolerant. Titikṣavaḥ kāruṇikāḥ [SB 3.25.21]: one side they are, for their personal self, they are tolerating all kinds of insult; but at the same time, still, they are kāruṇikā, very merciful to the people in general.\nThese boys, these girls, go to the street. They are sometimes disturbed, but still they are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra so that others may hear and take profit out of it. This is their business. Titikṣavaḥ kāruṇikāḥ. Why they are taking this business? Because they know that these people are suffering on account of loss of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So by hearing this chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, gradually they will come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nActually that is the fact. When I came to your country, I did not bring; I did not import it. They are your countrymen, your boys, your girls. Simply by hearing this chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra in the Tompkinson Square—I was sitting down underneath a tree—they have come. So this chanting of mahā-mantra is so powerful. So they are kāruṇikā, they are very merciful. They are going in spite of all troubles. They are not sitting down. They go.\nSo,\ntitikṣavaḥ kāruṇikāḥ\nsuhṛdaḥ sarva-bhūtānām\n[SB 3.25.21]\nWhy they are so merciful? Because they are friend of everyone. Sarva-bhūtānām. They don’t discriminate, that \"This white man should be my friend, not the black man,\" or \"The human being should be my friend, not the animals.\" No. A devotee is friendly to everyone, every living entity. It doesn’t matter. Without any distinction. Suhṛdaḥ sarva-bhūtānām.\ntitikṣavaḥ kāruṇikāḥ\nsuhṛdaḥ sarva-bhūtānām\najāta-śatravaḥ śāntāḥ\n[SB 3.25.21]\nThey do not think anyone as their enemy. They think, \"Everyone is our friend.\" Actually everyone is our friend. We are living at the, I mean, friendly relationship with the public. We have no enemies. We don’t think anyone is our enemy. If somebody acts inimically, we think that \"He has not understood; therefore he is doing like this. But let me try to make him understand what we are doing.\"\ntitikṣavaḥ kāruṇikāḥ\nsuhṛdaḥ sarva-bhūtānām\najāta-śatravaḥ śāntāḥ\nsādhavaḥ sādhu-bhūṣaṇāḥ\n[SB 3.25.21]\nThese are the ornaments of the sādhu. Sādhu.\nHere it is said, suśīlāḥ sādhava, well-behaved, and they are sādhu. Suśīlāḥ sādhavo yatra nārāyaṇa-parāyaṇāḥ. As soon as one becomes nārāyaṇa-parāyaṇāḥ… Nārāyaṇa means Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is the original Nārāyaṇa. So parāyaṇā means one who is attached to Nārāyaṇa, Kṛṣṇa, immediately all these good qualities manifest. Suśīlāḥ sādhavo yatra nārāyaṇa-parāyaṇāḥ.\nprāyaścittāni cīrṇāni\nnārāyaṇa-parāṅmukham\nna niṣpunanti rājendra\nsurā-kumbham ivāpagāḥ\n[SB 6.1.18]\nIn India, still, wine is untouchable, liquor. Not only wine; the wine bottle, even though it is empty, it is untouchable. Surā-kumbham. Surā means wine. Here, of course, in advanced civilization, they have got nice packed-up bottle [laughs], but formerly the wine drunkards, they used to keep wine in some, what is called, jug or big pot, kumbha. What is exact translation of kumbha? Eh?",
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"content": "\n All right, not one word. That's all right. So surā-kumbham iva apagāḥ. The pots which were used for keeping surā, or wine, liquor, that cannot be purified even if we wash thousand times with water. The example is given there.\nSimilarly,\nprāyaścittāni cīrṇāni\nnārāyaṇa-parāṅmukham\n[SB 6.1.18]\nIf this prāyaścitta, atonement, does not invoke his Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then it is just like washing the wine pot with water. The idea is, as the wine pot, although it is empty, you cannot purify it simply by washing with water; simply, similarly, a man who is not raised to the platform of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you go on trying so many types of atonement, it is like this surā-kumbha. The idea is that he cannot be purified. He cannot be purified. Day will come when his impure mind will be impetus to another type of sinful activities.\nThat is tried. One… In India, this Back to Godhead... It was started from India in 1944. So when I was posting in Delhi post office this Back to Godhead, the post office inquired—at that time I was not sannyāsī; I was in vānaprastha—so he inquired that \"If a man become honest, if a man deals with others very nicely, moral, and so on, so on, so what is the use of becoming devotee, devotee of God?\" So I replied that if a man is not devotee, that he cannot be honest, he cannot be moralist. That is not possible. Without God consciousness, the so-called morality, honesty, gentlemanness, is impossible. It is not possible.\nSo if you want to revive all these good qualities in your society, then you have to invoke your God consciousness first. Otherwise it is impossible. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇā. One who is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, he cannot have any good quality. It is impossible. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇā mano-rathena [SB 5.18.12]: because he is hovering on the mental plane. You will find so many big men, politicians, but because they are not God conscious, all their activities are not honest. It cannot be. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇā.\nTherefore it is said that simply by atonement, by superficial trying to become uncontaminated, is not possible, as much as the pot which contained liquor previously, you cannot purify it simply by washing with water.\nprāyaścittāni cīrṇāni\nnārāyaṇa-parāṅmukham\n[SB 6.1.18]\nNārāyaṇa-parāṅmukham means averse to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Such person cannot be purified simply by this prescription of austerity, penance and controlling the mind, controlling… They cannot do it.\nna niṣpunanti rājendra\nsurā-kumbham ivāpagāḥ\n[SB 6.1.18]\nsakṛn manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor\nniveśitaṁ tad-guṇa-rāgi yair iha\nna te yamaṁ pāśa-bhṛtaś ca tad-bhaṭān\nsvapne 'pi paśyanti hi cīrṇa-niṣkṛtāḥ\n[SB 6.1.19]\nSo Śukadeva Gosvāmī says that sakṛn manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor. If some way or other one surrenders his mind unto the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, sakṛn manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor… Sakṛn manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor.\nNow here another thing you can note, that in two verses the word kṛṣṇa has appeared. This Bhagavat was written five thousand years ago, and these incidents which Śukadeva Gosvāmī was..., is going to narrate, these incidents happened, ajāmila-upākhyāna, the history of Ajāmila's life, many thousands and millions of years ago. So this Kṛṣṇa name is already there. Kṛṣṇa name is already there. That means sometimes the so-called historians, they say that Kṛṣṇa worship has begun after Kṛṣṇa’s appearance on this planet. But that is not the fact. Kṛṣṇa worship was existent long, long before.\nAs it is stated by Kṛṣṇa in the Bhagavad-gītā,\nimaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ\nproktavān aham avyayam\n[Bg. 4.1]\n\"First of all I spoke this philosophy to Vivasvān, the god of the sun planet.\" So historically, if the historians argue like that, that Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement has begun after the appearance of Kṛṣṇa, but that is not fact. Kṛṣṇa appears in one day of Brahmā. That is many millions of years after once... Just like the sun appears after twenty-four hours or twelve hours; there is a period of appearance of the sun.\nSimilarly, there is a period of appearance of Kṛṣṇa on this planet. Kṛṣṇa is… He appears as a historical person, but He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore in these verses we see the name Kṛṣṇa. And not only here; in many places we will find the Kṛṣṇa name is there. So \"Kṛṣṇa\" is not to be taken a name picked up from history. No. He is Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nSo here it is said,\nsakṛn manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor\nniveśitaṁ tad-guṇa-rāgi yair iha\n[SB 6.1.19]\nIf somebody, somehow or other, becomes attracted to Kṛṣṇa by hearing about His transcendental qualities… Just like you are discussing here about Kṛṣṇa. You are coming—thank you very much that you are coming—but in this way hearing and hearing, some way or other you become attracted to Kṛṣṇa. This hearing means gradually you will be attracted. The same reasons that these boys and girls are attracted—by hearing. We have not bribed them with money. No. Simply by hearing.\nsakṛn manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor\nniveśitaṁ tad-guṇa-rāgi yair iha\nna te yamaṁ pāśa-bhṛtaś ca tad-bhaṭān\nsvapne 'pi paśyanti hi cīrṇa-niṣkṛtāḥ\n[SB 6.1.19]\nAnyone, somehow or other, he becomes attracted to Kṛṣṇa, and if he simply says, \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa is very nice. Kṛṣṇa's qualities are very nice. Kṛṣṇa's pastimes are very nice,\" he becomes guaranteed, immune from the attack of Yamarāja.\nYamarāja means the…, according to Vedic literature, there is a superintendent appointed by God who examines the sinful activities of the living entities and punishes him according to the gravity of his sinful life. He is called Yamarāja. And he has got many agents who take the living entity to Yamarāja after death. And when the judgment is given, then he is given a type of body for suffering or so-called enjoyment. But not enjoyment, because most heinous and sinful persons are taken to him.\nSo here it is said anyone, somehow or other if he has become attracted to Kṛṣṇa by His transcendental qualities and pastime, then what happens?\nna te yamaṁ pāśa-bhṛtaś ca tad-bhaṭān\nsvapne 'pi paśyanti...\n[SB 6.1.19]\nThe agents of Yamarāja, even in dream, do not come there. Even in dream, not to speak of directly. So you are guaranteed. You are guaranteed.\nThen, long, long ago, one friend asked that \"Why do you put these neck beads?\" It is guarantee that we shall not be shot down. Just like dog having a belt [collar], it is not shot down by anyone. It is known that he has a master. Similarly, this belt will save us from being shot down by the agents of Yamarāja. They will see, \"Oh, here is a devotee. Here is a devotee.\"\natra codāharantīmam\nitihāsaṁ purātanam\ndūtānāṁ viṣṇu-yamayoḥ\nsaṁvādas taṁ nibodha me\n[SB 6.1.20]\nNow, everything requires evidence how one is relieved from the attack of the agents of Yamarāja. He is citing some example from the history. Now here it is said that,\natra codāharantīmam\nitihāsaṁ purātanam\n[SB 6.1.20]\nThese Purāṇas… In the Vedic literature there are different divisions. The first is four Vedas. Then the Upaniṣads. Then they are summarized in Vedānta. Then they are again explained in Purāṇas. There are eighteen Purāṇas. This Bhāgavata Purāṇam is called Mahā-Purāṇa. The eighteen Purāṇas, they are meant for different kinds of people. There are different kinds of men: some are being conducted by the modes of ignorance; some are being conducted by the modes of passion; some of them are being conducted by the modes of goodness. So for three classes of men there are six Purāṇas each class; therefore eighteen Purāṇas. And this Bhāgavata Purāṇa is for the topmost class of men, who are in goodness. Not only in goodness, but they are devotees of Lord Kṛṣṇa.\nSo these Purāṇas are explanation of the Vedic system in understandable historical references. Therefore they are called itihāsam. Itihāsam means old history. So itihāsa does not mean this has to be learned chronological with date. Now if you keep a history of millions and trillions of years, it is impossible to keep. Therefore most important incidences in the history, they are picked up, and they are assorted in the Purāṇas.\nSo Purāṇas means… Mahābhārata is also history. You have heard the name of Mahābhārata. Mahā means great, and bhārata, now we call India, foreigners they call India. \"India\" is not the proper name. The whole planet is called Bhārata-varṣa. Bhārata-varṣa. India is, accidentally, it has come to be named a certain portion of the world, but actually the whole planet is called Bhārata-varṣa. And the history, greater Bhārata-varṣa. Greater Bhārata-varṣa, great Bhārata-varṣa, the history of the world. The Purāṇas are also history of the world, or history of the universe. There are many incidences we have taken from other planets.\nSo these Mahā-purāṇas, Mahābhārata... And the Mahābhārata especially was composed by Vyāsadeva for less-intelligent class of men, one who cannot understand the Vedas. The Vedas are not understood by three classes of men:\nstrī-śūdra-dvijabandhūnāṁ\ntrayī na śruti-gocarā\n[SB 1.4.25]\nTrayī. Trayī means the Vedas, where three kinds of processes are recommended: karma-kāṇḍa, jñāna-kāṇḍa and upāsanā-kāṇḍa. Karma-kāṇḍa means the ritualistic ceremonies; jñāna-kāṇḍa, this philosophical section, just like the Upaniṣad. And upāsanā-kāṇḍa. Upāsanā-kāṇḍa, there are many recommendation for worshiping the demigods, ultimately, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nSo these Vedas are not sometimes understood by three classes of men—strī-śūdra-dvijabandhu, three classes of men: women..., women and śūdra and dvijabandhu. Dvijabandhu means the friends of the twice-born. The twice-born are three classes of men: brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya. They are twice... They are given the chance to take second birth by upanāyana-saṁskāra, by purificatory process of offering the sacred thread. That is second birth. So this second-birth ceremony is offered to the high class of men. Not high class of men by birth, but by quality.\ncātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ\nguṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ\n[Bg. 4.13]\nBy developing good qualities.\nSo this Mahābhārata is also meant for not for the high-class men. Just try to understand. Mahā…, strī-śūdra-dvijabandhu: it was meant for woman and śūdra and dvija-bandhu. Dvija-bandhu means born in high family, but one hasn't got the qualities; he is called dvija-bandhu. And so far Mahābhārata is concerned… Actually, in our childhood I used to read Mahābhārata before my grandmother. In the afternoon, after taking rest, she would call me and ask me to recite Mahābhārata. There is edition, vernacular edition of Mahābhārata. So we learned Mahābhārata in association with grandmother from the childhood. So these are itihāsa. I am explaining to you, these are all histories.\nNow if you read simply Mahābhārata, which is meant for the śūdras and the woman class and the less-intelligent persons born in higher class society, you will find in Mahābhārata so sublime literature. You will find sociology, history, religion, culture—everything. But this was meant for the less-intelligent class. Now how much we have been degraded that we cannot understand even Mahābhārata. And in the Mahābhārata is the Bhagavad-gītā. Bhagavad-gītā is the portion of Mahābhārata. And such Bhagavad-gītā is being studied by many great scholars and philosophers at the present moment—still they cannot understand.\nTry to understand: Which was made for the less-intelligent class of men, now it is very difficult to understand. So what class of men we are? That is my point. Strī-śūdra-dvijabandhūnāṁ. The Mahābhārata was meant for less-intelligent class of men and women, and now at the present moment we cannot even understand Mahābhārata. Then what less-intelligent class of men we are? Try to understand. Or what intelligent class of men were there. That is to be understood.\nTherefore if we want to make improvement of our life by studying this Vedic literature it is very, very difficult, especially in this age. Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu’s formula, kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā [Cc. Ādi 17.21]: in this age there is no other alternative, no other alternative, no other alternative; only simply chant this harer nāma harer nāma harer nāmaiva kevalam, and you will find actual result. And you are finding already. So this is the only process you can elevate to your perfectional stage of spiritual consciousness.\nThank you very much.\nDevotees\n: All glories to you Śrīla Prabhupāda. [end]",
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"content": "\n [introducing recording] Discussion between His Divine Grace and Apa Pante, A-P-A-P-A-N-T-E, High Commissioner for United Kingdom, 4th August, 1971, noon. The recording is not very clear, being copied from a cassette tape recorder. Please make it out as best as possible. Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n …In India by nature they are Kṛṣṇa conscious, but by artificial means they have been...",
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"content": "\n [laughs]",
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"content": "\n …trained to forget Kṛṣṇa. Like that.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] So it is artificial?",
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"content": "\n That is...",
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"content": "\nHmm. That's normal [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n I think you understand some Bengali. There is a verse in Caitanya-caritamṛta,\nnitya-siddha kṛṣṇa-bhakti ‘sādhya’ kabhu naya\nśravaṇādi-śuddha-citte karaye udaya\n[Cc. Madhya 22.107]",
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"content": "\nYes. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n It is not an artificial imposition. So everyone is Kṛṣṇa conscious.",
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"content": "\nSva-bhāva.",
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"content": "\n Sva-bhāva.",
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"content": "\nSva-bhāva. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt [Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12]. Sva-bhāva. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nŚivo 'ham, śivo 'ham.",
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"content": "\n That is another thing. But the process recommended in this age by Caitanya Mahāprabhu:\nharer nāma harer nāma\nharer nāmaiva kevalam\n[Cc. Ādi 17.21]\nSo harer nāma—Hare means the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa—that simply chanting harer nāma one can be entirely Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And actually it is happening. These European and American boys and girls, especially the young men, four years ago they did not know what is Kṛṣṇa, but now they are so serious...",
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"content": "\nHmm.",
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"content": "\n ...about Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We have got many Muhammadans, Parsis, yogīs[?], everywhere. [indistinct] But nitya siddha kṛṣṇa. Nitya siddha. That means eternally.",
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"content": "\n Yes, eternally. That is very nice [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] So far my belief is that… Why my belief? It is the belief of the authority, Lord Caitanya. He said that this movement will spread, and people will be happy. So it is a great movement. Every thoughtful man, scientist, philosopher and follower should try to understand. It is authorized, based on Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam: śrīmad-bhāgavataṁ amalaṁ purāṇam [SB 12.13.18].",
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"content": "\nUmalaṁ?",
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"content": "\nAmalaṁ [indistinct]. Amalaṁ. Amalaṁ means karma jñāna-miśra. Amalaṁ means \"without any...\"",
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"content": "\nImpurities.",
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"content": "\n Yes.\nanyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ\njñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam\nānukūlyena kṛṣṇānuśīlanaṁ\n[Brs. 1.1.11]\nSo I have already established fifty branches. Now in Calcutta, Bombay also we have got. Now recently we have got a big program to start an institution, kṛṣṇa-bhakti, on the first five forms Lord Caitanya. So I have already purchased land, but we have to purchase more land. Now…",
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"content": "\nIs it in Bengal?",
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"content": "\n It is in Bengal. So my only [indistinct] is that Śrīmatī Indira Gandhi, I was hoping if she can authorize something. We don't want any monetary help from anyone; simply by supporting. So kindly help me, for that purpose[?].",
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"content": "\n [laughs] How right you are.",
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"content": "\n I don’t want anything. Another thing, I see you have got my first book, Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nOh! Beautifully done.",
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"content": "\n I don't ask you officially to execute it; I simply request you that you also request on behalf of Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. She knows us. She knows us. But if you request her, then she'll... She knows about our activities. Some of our boys in Delhi met her when she [indistinct]. And she promised also that when I go to Bengal... Now I want to fix up, and then I go and arrange [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n It is in the hands of God. I will do the writing, but the end result is not in my hands.",
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He does not require to come back here in this material world to have this material body. He at once develops his own spiritual body just like Kṛṣṇa. This is the process. Simply by understanding the transcendental activities and the appearance and disappearance, he becomes fully spiritualized, and the result is that he at once... He does not get; the spiritual body is already existing. I am spirit; I have got my spiritual body, but that body is now covered by this matter.\nSo by understanding the transcendental activities of Śrī Kṛṣṇa, by Kṛṣṇa consciousness, one can become liberated. And what is the result of that liberation? That is also spoken in the Eighth Chapter of Bhagavad-gītā. The Lord says, mām upetya kaunteya: \"My dear Arjuna, Kaunteya, son of Kuntī, please note it that mām upetya, anyone who comes to Me,\" mām upetya kaunteya duḥkhālayam aśāśvataṁ nāpnuvanti [Bg 8.15], \"that he does not come again to this material world, which is duḥkhālayam, duḥkhālayam, a place of misery.\"\n[After attaining Me, the great souls, who are yogīs in devotion, never return to this temporary world, which is full of miseries, because they have attained the highest perfection.]\nThis material world is certified by the Supreme Personality of Godhead as the place of misery. Now, if this place is made for that purpose, just to give us miseries only, how you can make it a place of happiness? The place is meant for that purpose. So Lord Kṛṣṇa says that \"Somebody, anybody who comes back to Me, he hasn't got to come back again to this place of miseries.\" Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti [Bg 4.9].\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\nAnd again He says, mām upetya kaunteya duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam [Bg 8.15]: \"This place is full of miseries.\"\nWe are deluded, illusioned. We are accepting this place as permanent settlement. We are making plans, so many plans, to make a permanent settlement, but the Lord says it is not only full of misery; aśāśvatam, you cannot remain here permanently. However make your plan to live here permanently, you cannot live here. You have to give up. You can spoil your energy for making this material world very comfortable, or you may live for some years very comfortably, but cruel death will come and snatch you from all comfortable position and put you into another position which is beyond your control.\nYou cannot say that \"I have made my position very secure. I am very comfortable with great endeavor by advancement of economic development, by advancement of material science. Let me remain here. I am very happy.\" The time will say, \"No, that will not be allowed. You must leave immediately, immediately, without delay.\" You know your President Kennedy. He was going in a procession, and the time came, and he had to leave everything at once, at once, without any hesitation. You cannot hesitate.\nSo we are in the grip of the material nature. However we may declare ourself that we are independent, we are not independent. We are dependent, completely dependent. We may foolishly mislead ourself by the sense of independence. No. You are not independent. You are completely under the control of the material nature. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg 7.14].\n[This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.]\nThe material nature is so strong that it is very difficult to get out of the entanglement.\nBut there is a way. That is also said in the Bhagavad-gītā. Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te: \"Anyone who surrenders unto Me...\" The whole process, the whole process of material activities, material nature, is going on under this principle, that we are required to go back to the eternal world, to get our eternal life and eternal blissful knowledge. These things are awaiting us. But if we do not try, do not endeavor for attaining that sublime position and spoil our reserve energy in making an adjustment of this temporary material world, that is our foolishness.\nYou will find in the Seventh Chapter Bhagavad-gītā the Lord says,\nna māṁ prapadyante mūḍhāḥ\nduṣkṛtino narādhamāḥ\nmāyayāpahṛta-jñānā\nāsurī bhāvam āśritāḥ\n[Bg 7.15]\n[Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons, do not surrender unto Me.]\nLord says that \"There are persons who are duṣkṛtina, duṣkṛtina, or miscreants; mūḍha, foolish; duṣkṛtina, mūḍha and narādhama—and the lowest of the humankind—and māyayāpahṛta-jñānā—and they have been plundered of their real knowledge by the stringent laws of material nature. Such people do not come unto Me.\"\nSo these things are... If we study Bhagavad-gītā, we have to take it, Bhagavad-gītā, as it is. We cannot give our own interpretations just to suit our purpose. This thing already been explained in this Fourth Chapter, that it is understood by the paramparā system, by the disciplic succession. So we have to take up this knowledge from the disciplic succession. And this Bhagavad-gītā was spoken some millions of years before to the sun-god. That is also stated. And the sun-god instructed this Bhagavad-gītā again to Manu, Manu to Ikṣvāku. And in this way this is coming by disciplic succession. But during the time of Kurukṣetra war that great philosophy of yoga system of Bhagavad-gītā was lost, and therefore Lord Kṛṣṇa again said to Arjuna. Therefore if we want to understand Bhagavad-gītā, then we have to understand as Arjuna understood it. That is the process.\nSo here the Lord says that janma karma me divyam [Bg 4.9]:\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\n\"My appearance and disappearance.\" Mark this word, \"appearance and disappearance.\" \"Birth and death\" is not applicable to Lord. \"Birth and death\" is applicable to this material body. The material body has its birth, and the material body has its death, dissolution. But the spiritual body is eternal. It has neither death nor birth. Therefore the spiritual body—the exact language to be used, \"appearance and disappearance.\"\nI have several times spoken in this meeting: Just like the sun. The sun disappear and appear. For the sun there is no question of birth and death, because sun is eternal. So anything eternal... So when the Lord comes it is just like the sun appears and sun disappears. It does not mean because we do not see Kṛṣṇa just now in our presence... Of course, in transcendental sense, when we acquire that transcendental sense, we see Kṛṣṇa through this Bhagavad-gītā. The Bhagavad-gītā is Kṛṣṇa. It is not... Bhagavad-gītā is not different from Kṛṣṇa. That is the, I mean to say, sense of absolute knowledge.\nIn the absolute world there is no difference between the person and the words. Just like this tape recorder. It is being recorded. My words or my songs are being recorded. But they are different from me. This is dual, the world of duality. But the absolute world, there is no such difference. Just like we are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare. This name Kṛṣṇa and the personality Kṛṣṇa is the same. Is the same. Hare Kṛṣṇa means when I hear the sound, the transcendental sound vibration Kṛṣṇa, that means Kṛṣṇa is on my tongue, on my ear.\nTherefore, if we chant this vibration of transcendental sound with devotion and with attention, that is the highest type of meditation and yoga. And very easy. The process is that you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, and exactly the same sound you hear. So your mind is concentrated on this Kṛṣṇa, and Kṛṣṇa is not different. This sound Kṛṣṇa is not different from person Kṛṣṇa. Therefore when we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare / Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare, it is as good as Kṛṣṇa.\nTherefore it is stated here that \"My appearance, disappearance and activity and glories, they are divyam.\" Divyam means transcendental. They do not belong to this world of duality. This world is of duality. But transcendental means that it is above, above this dualism. It is the absolute world. So anyone who understands this fact, that Kṛṣṇa is not different from this sound Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa is not different from this Bhagavad-gītā, Kṛṣṇa is not different from the..., from anything which is connected with Kṛṣṇa... These things are to be understood.\nThe whole world is the representation of the energy—that you will learn in the Seventh Chapter—is the manifestation of the energy of Kṛṣṇa. And it has been described, there are two kinds of energies: the lower energy and the higher energy. And the higher energy is the living entities, just like we are. We living entities, we belong to the higher nature of the Supreme Lord. Jīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bāho yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat [Bg 7.5].\n[Besides this inferior nature, O mighty-armed Arjuna, there is a superior energy of Mine, which are all living entities who are struggling with material nature and are sustaining the universe.]\nThis world is moving, this world is made of lower nature, material, and the higher nature is the living entity. So anything which is connected with Kṛṣṇa, it becomes to the higher nature. Even in this material things, if it is dovetailed with Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then it turns into higher nature.\nThe example I have several times repeated: Just like you put an iron rod in the fire. It becomes warm, warmer, and gradually it becomes red hot. When it is red hot, it is transformed into the nature of fire. It is no longer iron. Similarly, if you constantly remain in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you at once transfer yourself to the higher nature of Kṛṣṇa, and that is your liberation. And if we can die in higher nature, then this formula, tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti... [Bg 4.9], oh, he does not come back again to this material world.\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\nSo we shall have to try; we shall have to practice this Kṛṣṇa consciousness in such a way that we shall permanently exist in higher nature. And if we can die in that higher nature, then our place in the transcendental world is reserved. That is the whole thing.\nIn India there is a common saying. They say, bhajan koro pūjān koro morte janle haya. The meaning is that however you may meditate upon... You may be very great meditator or you may be a great religionist or yogī or a very learned scholar, or whatever you may be, but everything will be tested at the time of your death. How far you have made progress, that will be tested at the time of your death.\nThat is also explained in the Bhagavad-gītā: yaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran loke tyajaty ante kalevaram [Bg 8.6]. \n[Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that state he will attain without fail.]\nAnte. Ante means at the end. Because this body is sure to end. Antavanta ime dehāḥ. This body is antavat; it is destined to be ended. \"As sure as death.\" But nityasyoktāḥ śarīriṇaḥ. Śarīriṇaḥ means the spirit spark which is occupying this body. That is nitya; that is eternal.\nSo whole process is that the eternal has to get rid of this nonpermanent material contact. And he has to take leave for the spiritual world. So...\n[aside:] Come on.\nSo the whole process is that during our present existing life we have to practice in such a way that we remain constantly on the higher nature, on the spiritual nature. Exactly in the same way: just like you put the iron rod in the fire and make it warmer, warmer, warmer, warmer, and so long it does not get red hot, so it becomes fire. This is practical.\nIn the same way, you have to put yourself in such a way that you are always in, constantly in the higher nature. Not that for one hour, two hour we make this association, we try to be in higher nature, and after leaving this place we again turn to the lower nature. No. We should always, whatever we hear from here, from this place, we should try to understand clearly, without any doubt.\nJust like Lord Kṛṣṇa says here, tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya [Bg 4.9],\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\nthat anyone who understands Kṛṣṇa's appearance, disappearance and activities, all these transcendental things, he goes back to the kingdom of Godhead after leaving this body. Now this fact should be clearly understood. So I am trying to make you understand it clearly, how it can be possible. This is possible in this way, that you have to think of Kṛṣṇa always, \"How is that that Kṛṣṇa appears in His transcendental body, and how He disappears?\" So everything, scrutinizingly we have to understand.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā you will find, tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā [Bg 4.34].\n[Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.]\nOne has to learn all these things from the person who is in the knowledge of these things. It is not that simply by purchasing one Bhagavad-gītā we understand everything. No. Tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā. You have to approach a person who is in the knowledge of the things. Without this, you cannot understand. It is recommended; it is essential.\nIn the, I mean to say, in the Vedas also, Kaṭha Upaniṣad, this is said exclusively: tasmād, tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam [SB 11.3.21]. \n[Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.]\nTasmāt. Tasmāt means \"therefore.\" \"Therefore\" means something has been said before. What is that? Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam. As soon as we began to ask about the higher nature... That propensity should be awakened. In the lower nature we are busy in the matter of eating, sleeping, defending and sense gratification. So we should not be satisfied simply remaining in the lower nature. The human life is meant for developing the higher nature.\nThe Vedānta-sūtra therefore says, athāto brahma jijñāsā. Now, now we have got the developed consciousness of human body, now, this is the time for asking about the Supreme Brahman.\n[talking in the background]\n[aside:] You ask them to speak slowly. At least speak slowly. You go there.\nSo this higher nature has to be developed. This association, this transcendental association, is meant for developing that higher nature. Higher nature. We must understand that higher nature that as it is recommended in the Vedas, that tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet samit-pāṇiḥ śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12].\n[To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.]\nAnd again in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavata also it is said that tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam [SB 11.3.21].\n[Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.]\nIn all the scriptures this is said. Without approaching a person who can teach you of the higher nature, you cannot develop. It is not possible to acquire. You have got the higher nature, but to invoke that higher nature it requires the assistance of a person who is in the higher nature. That is recommended.\nIf somebody says that \"I don't require any help of any spiritual master,\" that is wrong. That is wrong. You will find all the great persons... And so far our Vedic culture is concerned, great learned scholars, just like Śaṅkarācārya... Perhaps you have heard the name of Śaṅkarācārya. Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya, Nimbārka, Lord Caitanya. In India there have been many, many great scholars.\nEven Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa, who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He had a spiritual master, because He wanted to show the example. He did not require any circumstances to acquire knowledge from any other, but because He was playing just like a human being, so He set the example that He accepted a spiritual master. There are instances. So similarly, Lord Caitanya also, He accepted spiritual master. Śaṅkarācārya accepted spiritual master. That is the system. Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg 4.2].\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\nThe disciplic succession must be accepted. Now, just like we are trying to understand from Kṛṣṇa, Arjuna, Arjuna is trying to understand. Arjuna also said to Kṛṣṇa, śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam [Bg 2.7]:\n[Now I am confused about my duty and have lost all composure because of weakness. In this condition I am asking You to tell me clearly what is best for me. Now I am Your disciple, and a soul surrendered unto You. Please instruct me.]\n\"Just I am surrendering unto You. Oh, accept me as Your disciple, śiṣya.\" Śiṣya means disciple. Śiṣya. Śiṣya, this is a grammatical word. Śās-dhātu. Śās-dhātu, it is a verb from which this word śiṣya comes. Śiṣya means one who accepts voluntarily the disciplinary measures from the higher authority. He is called a śiṣya.\nSo in order to acquire, in order to be situated in that higher nature, we have to approach a personality like Kṛṣṇa or His representative, and so the best thing is that... Arjuna. Arjuna, he got this instruction from Bhagavad-gītā, and he developed that higher nature. So we have to take from Arjuna as it is. So we have to keep ourself always in the higher nature. Then the result will be that at the time of death, at the end, tyaktvā deham. \nTyaktvā deham, that we are counting where, that day when we have to give up this body. Now, just like I am now seventy years old, so... [problems with microphone] I am now seventy years old. So my days are counted. So I have to give up this body. The warning is already there. So we have to prepare ourself. Just like when going some out of station, from New York to California, if you wanted to go, you have to make your preparation, say, fortnight before, reserving the seat and making all arrangement. Similarly, we must know that we have to leave this body, and we must prepare for that. Unless we don't prepare for that, all of a sudden, if death comes, then our whole life is spoiled. That is the whole system.\nSo we have to think of Kṛṣṇa. This is the very easiest process, that how..., what are the activities, how Kṛṣṇa appears, how Kṛṣṇa disappears, what are the nature of Kṛṣṇa's activities. So we must try to understand these things. So janma karma me divyaṁ yo jānāti tattvataḥ [Bg 4.9].\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\nThis inquisitiveness, the appearance and disappearance of Kṛṣṇa, and His activities, this inquisitiveness is transcendental enquiries. So we must know it from persons who are in the knowledge. And that way we shall be able to put ourself constantly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and the result will be that tyaktvā deham, by quitting this body, we shall be at once transferred to the transcendental world. This is the process.\nNow, in the next śloka Kṛṣṇa says that vīta-rāga-bhaya-krodhā.\nvīta-rāga-bhaya-krodhā\nman-mayā mām upāśritāḥ\nbahavo jñāna-tapasā\npūtā mad-bhāvam āgatāḥ\n[Bg 4.10]\n[Being freed from attachment, fear and anger, being fully absorbed in Me and taking refuge in Me, many, many persons in the past became purified by knowledge of Me\n—\nand thus they all attained transcendental love for Me.]\nKṛṣṇa says that \"Arjuna, in the past there were many sages who,\" vīta-rāga-bhaya-krodhāḥ, \"after surpassing three stages of existence, when they came to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they were liberated.\" Vita-rāga-bhaya-krodhāḥ. Now, what is this rāga? Rāga-bhaya-krodhāḥ. Rāga means attachment. Attachment. And vīta-rāga-bhaya. Bhaya means fear, and krodha means anger. So these three stages are there in our life.\nAnd what are these? Rāga, attachment. In the lowest stage of our life, when we do not know what I am, I consider this body myself, this deluded conception of life, that \"I am this body,\" [microphone problems] this is deluded conception. And when we have got too much attachment for this deluded conception of life, that is called rāga. Rāga. Mostly people, generally, they are acting in this material world with this conception of life, that \"I am this material body.\" So they are working whole day and night for making a comfortable life of this material body. So they are called in the stage of rāga, attachment. Attachment.\nAnd the next stage is bhaya. Bhaya. And what is that bhaya? Fear. Now, that...\n[aside:] Please don't talk.\nBhaya means that... There are person, transcendentalist, who are culturing transcendental knowledge, but they are very much afraid of conceiving that there is another world which is spiritual world, and that is also similar like this world, and the Personality of Godhead is there, and we have to go there, and we have to live as His servitor. So we carry the ideas of this world to that world. Therefore we are afraid. There are many transcendentalist who like the impersonal conception of the Supreme Truth. As soon as personal conception of the Supreme Truth is presented there, they are afraid of: \"Oh, it is something material. It is not real.\" This is called bhaya. But actually it is not that.\nActually, this material world is described in the Bhagavad-gītā as the perverted reflection of the actual spiritual world. You will find in the Fifteenth Chapter that this material world is described as the obverted tree, whose root is upwards and the branches are downwards. Have you have experience of this obverted tree whose root is upward and the branches and the leaves are downwards? Have you seen any tree like that? You have seen it, but you have forgotten. You have seen... When you see a tree on the bank of a river or bank of a reservoir of water, you find the reflection of the tree—just the opposite number. So similarly, this world, in the Fifteenth Chapter it is described there, the obverted tree. That means the real tree is there. The real tree is there.\nJust like the example is given, I have several times..., that the impersonalist, they describe this world as false. As false. But simply describing this world as false is not sufficient. What is the reality we must know. The... Generally the example is cited that in the darkness when you see a curling rope, you misunderstand it that it is a snake. But actually it is not the snake. Now, this conception of a snake comes wherefrom? Unless there is a real snake, how you conceived that it is a snake? That rope is false. That's all right. That rope is not snake, but there is real snake. Otherwise, how you get the conception of the snake? Just try to follow it. Without having the real snake, you cannot get this conception of snake.\nSimilarly, we say that this world is false, or shadow. The shadow, without being the reality, how there can be possibility of shadow? If there is no reality of my hand, how the shadow of the hand can be there? So this world is temporary shadow. That is accepted. But there is the real world, which has no destruction. This world is destructive. It will be dissolved. Just like our body is temporary, but it will be dissolved.\nAnything material that has got a birth, a stay for some time, a by-product, a growth, a dwindling, and then vanish—that is the nature, anything. Just like this body: It was born from the mother's womb at a certain time, and it is staying for some time.\n[Loud audio feedback]\nIt is staying for some time, and the body has got some by-product, like children. We have got some children, the by-product. Then it is dwindling. Just like I am getting older. Anyone, everyone, we are getting older. And at the last, it will vanish. Similarly, the whole material world, it has a time of its appearance, it grows, it makes so many varieties of by-product, it dwindles and again vanishes.\nBut Bhagavad-gītā gives you an information, paras tasmāt tu bhāvo 'nyo 'vyakto 'vyaktāt sanātanaḥ [Bg 8.20].\n[Yet there is another nature, which is eternal and is transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is annihilated, that part remains as it is.]\nBeyond this material world, which is subjected to these rules of six changes, there is another world, which is sanātana. Sanātana means which is eternal. So actually there is existence of an eternal nature, like this nature which you are experiencing. And that nature, transcendental nature... The whole Bhagavad-gītā scheme is to take you back to that transcendental nature. Because you are transcendental, you are eternal, you are blissful, you are full of knowledge. Now we are covered. Now you have to go back to that eternal world, which is full of knowledge, full of bliss. So we have to prepare in that way. That is the policy of the human life.\nKṛṣṇa says that vīta-rāga. Vīta-rāga. Vīta means one who has been able to give up this attachment. Rāga means the attachment of this material world. And bhaya, one who has developed this transcendental sense...\n[Loud audio feedback on and off]\nThe impersonalist, their philosophy is that they want to merge into the impersonal existence of the Absolute Truth. They are afraid of the life of variegatedness. Because they have got a very bitter experience of this life of variegatedness, therefore they want to make a negation of this variegatedness and they want to turn themself into the impersonal feature. So these things are there. So vīta-rāga. So one has to give up this attachment and detachment also.\nVīta-rāga-bhaya and krodha. Krodha means there are other persons, who are neither impersonalist nor personalist; they are what are called more or less atheists. Atheist means they don't believe in any transcendental nature. Even they do not believe in the existence of the soul. They simply concern themself with this material body. Just like Buddha philosophy. Buddha philosophy does not accept the existence of the soul. Buddha philosophy says that this material body is a combination of matter. Now, as soon as the matter is dissolved, then the feelings of happiness and distress is gone.\nBut according to Bhagavad-gītā, the existence of soul is accepted in the Vedic literature. Just like after Lord Buddha, Śaṅkarācārya, Śaṅkarācārya came. He gave hint about the spiritual nature of the soul, and he said, brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā:\n[The spirit soul is truth, and the external energy is untruth.]\n\"This matter is false and temporary, but spirit is eternal.\" And other ācāryas, just like Rāmānujācārya and Madhvācārya, they came after Śaṅkarācārya, and they established that in the spiritual world there is also life like this, but that is eternal, blissful and full of knowledge.\nSo here Kṛṣṇa also give us instruction that vīta-rāga-bhaya-krodhāḥ. There are persons who are too much attached to these material activities. They are called rāga. They are in the atmosphere of rāga. And there are persons who are atmosphere of fear: \"Oh, again we have got to..., a personal life?\" They are afraid of personal life. They want to make impersonal everything. That is called bhaya. And the first, second... And the third is krodha. They do not believe in any philosophy. \"Let us commit suicide. Let us annihilate all this material existence.\" So we have to surpass. We have to surpass these three stages of attachment and fearfulness and krodha, and anger. Just like somebody commits suicide when he is disgusted. When he is disgusted with this life, he commits suicide. That is called krodha, by anger. So we have to surpass all these stages.\nSo Lord Kṛṣṇa says, vīta-rāga-bhaya-krodhāḥ: \"After surpassing these three stages of life,\" vīta-rāga-bhaya-krodhā man-mayā mām upāśritāḥ, \"one who is constantly conscious of Me,\" man-mayā, and mām upāśritāḥ, \"and accepting the shelter of My protection,\" mām upāśritāḥ, bahavo jñāna-tapasā, \"there were many sages who by culture of knowledge and penance,\" bahavo jñāna pūtā, \"purified by that process,\" mad-bhāvam āgatāḥ, \"they attained My superior nature. My superior nature.\"\nJust like the same example, just like putting the iron rod in the fire, and the iron rod becomes hot, red hot, gets the nature of fire, similarly, if we constantly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, being transcendental to these stages of bhaya, fear, and attachment, and krodha, anger, if we put ourself completely under Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then it will be very easy to attain the superior nature of Kṛṣṇa.\nThat is the formula given here, that superior, how to attain that superior nature. Vīta-rāga-bhaya-krodhā man-mayā mām upāśritāḥ. Mām upāśritāḥ. That is the main thing. One has to take shelter of Kṛṣṇa. Mām eva ye prapadyante. This very thing, everywhere we will find in this Bhagavad-gītā, that Kṛṣṇa is stressing on His personal feature. Mām eva ye prapadyante: \"Anyone who takes shelter of Me...\" \"Anyone who thinks of Me,\" man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ... So these things are there. Simply we have to take up this thing, Kṛṣṇa. Then everything, the whole solution is there.\n[aside:] Why these boys are disturbing? They are not sitting, and talking.\nYe yathā māṁ prapadyante... Next verse is,\nye yathā māṁ prapadyante\ntāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham\nmama vartmānuvartante\nmanuṣyāḥ pārtha sarvaśaḥ\n[Bg 4.11]\n[All of them—as they surrender unto Me—I reward accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Pṛthā.]\nNow Kṛṣṇa says... There are three kinds of transcendentalist. What are they? The impersonalist and the localized yogī and the devotees. There are three kinds of transcendentalist. What are the impersonalist? Impersonalist means this jñānī, those who are trying to understand what is Brahman and try to negativating this material world, neti neti: \"This is not Brahman. Brahman is separate from this matter.\" They are called jñānī. And there are yogī. Yogī means those who are trying to focus all attention to the Supersoul which is within our heart. That is called yoga system. And yogī, jñānī and bhakta, devotees, those who are focusing all their concentration on the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa. So these three are classes of... They are all transcendentalist. They are not materialists.\nMaterialists, they are concerned with this matter only. They are very much attached to lord it over this material nature and enjoy life. That's all. That is the short description of the materialist. But the transcendentalist, they are above these attached people. They are detached, but they have got three conception of transcendental idea. That is stated in Bhagavād..., Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam:\nvadanti tat tattva-vidas\ntattvaṁ yaj jñānam advayam\nbrahmeti paramātmeti\nbhagavān iti śabdyate\n[SB 1.2.11]\n[Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān.]\nTattva, tattva, the Absolute Truth. Absolute Truth is nondual. And that Absolute Truth is experienced in three ways. What are they? Now, Brahman, the all-pervading, impersonal feature, Brahman. And brahmeti paramātmeti. Paramātmeti means the Supersoul. Brahmeti paramātmeti and bhagavān iti. Bhagavān iti means the Personality of Godhead. Now, these three conception of life have been analyzed in various places, and I will give you a short description.\nJust like the sun. You see the sun every morning. What do you see? You see the sunshine. One feature is the sunshine. Another feature is the sun disc. And another feature is, if you are able to go into the sun planet, you see something else. That we have got no experience, but we can see that sunshine and the localized sun disc.\nBut what is there within the sun planet, nobody has explained so far material science is concerned. But from Vedic literature we have got information of the sun planet also, that there is a supreme deity, which is known as the sun-god, and all the inhabitants there, they have got their body of fire, and the whole planet is fiery. That is also material. There is no reason to disbelieve it, because the whole material word is composed of five elements, that inferior nature: earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, ego, intelligence. So you will find different planets also. Some planet is predominated with earth; some planet is predominated with water; some planet with fire; just like this. So the sun planet is predominated with fire. Fire is also matter. It is also material.\nSo as we have got experience—we can take experience from what we see daily—so as we have got three different vision of the sun, although the sunshine is spread all over the universe, you cannot accept the sunshine as important than the sun disc, localized. Which one is important? The sunshine is important or the localized disc, the planet, is important? The localized planet is important.\nSimilarly, the impersonal feature of Lord, which is known as Brahman, that is not very much important. You will find in the Bhagavad-gītā, brahmaṇaḥ ahaṁ pratiṣṭhā: \"I am the source of the effulgence of Brahman.\" So this is one feature. But that is transcendental. When one thinks of Brahman conception of the Absolute Truth, that is also transcendental. When one thinks of the localized aspect of the Supreme Truth, that is also transcendental. And when one thinks of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, that is also transcendental.\nSo here it is stated,\nye yathā māṁ prapadyante\ntāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham\nmama vartmānuvartante\nmanuṣyāḥ pārtha sarvaśaḥ\n[Bg 4.11]\n[All of them—as they surrender unto Me—I reward accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Pṛthā.]\nAnywhere, any, I mean to say, person who is interested in the transcendental feature of the Absolute Truth, they must be either these impersonalist or the localized or must be devotee of the Lord.\nSo these three features are there, presented of Kṛṣṇa conception, and how they are conceived and what are the different results, we shall try to explain in the next meeting. Now you can put your questions. [break]\nThey have to take shelter of the Vedas. Just like Śaṅkarācārya. Śaṅkarācārya is impersonalist, and we, the Vaiṣṇava... There are two classes of philosopher in India. One is impersonalist and the other is personalist. So we, so far we are concerned, we are personalist, and Śaṅkarācārya is impersonalist. Now, although we are two classes, impersonalist and personalist, we take Veda as the medium of knowledge. We may give different interpretation. That is another thing. But either party of Śaṅkarācārya or the party of Vaiṣṇava and ācārya, they take the Vedānta-sūtra, the Vedānta philosophy, as the medium.\nBut Lord Buddha, although we accept him as the incarnation of God, and he was born in India and he propagated his philosophy from India, but because he denied to accept the Vedic principle, therefore he is known as atheist, because he, Buddha, did not accept the Vedic principles. He denied. And there was reason why he did not. That is a secret thing. That secret—because his whole philosophy was to stop animal killing. Animal killing. Now, in the Vedic scripture, you will find animal sacrifice is recommended. So he wanted to preach, \"Stop animal killing.\"\nNow, if there is evidence from the Vedas that animal can be killed under certain circumstances, then his whole preaching becomes topsy-turvied. So he was obliged to deny the authority of the Vedas. And because he did not accept the authority of the Vedas, the Vedāntists and the followers of Vedas, they called the Buddhist philosophy as atheistic. This is the explanation.\nSo one is accepted as atheist who does not believe in the tenets of the Vedas. That is the sum and substance of atheism. It may be a sound philosophy or whatever it may be, but atheism, one who does not believe in the authority of the Vedas, they are called atheist.",
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"content": "\n I said, what is the completion of all becoming, final goal, for a human being and for matter in general?",
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"content": "\n And what happens to matter when it, say, part of it that is, sort to say, spiritual attains the realization of [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n Yes. This is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā in the Seventh Chapter. Matter is described as the lower nature of the Supreme Lord, and the spirit soul, or the living entities, they are called the higher nature. Now, my present position is that I belong to the higher nature. Now I am entrapped with the lower nature. So whole mission of my life should be get out of this lower nature and be installed again in my higher nature. That is the whole philosophy. Yes.",
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"content": "\n This is material nature, of course. But one thing is that if you want to help a person, your aim should be to help a person for the ultimate goal. Just like I will give you an example that a physician treating a patient, he is also engaged in giving some assistance to the suffering man. Now, he treats the root of the disease. Now, the patient says, \"Doctor, I have got very much headache today.\" Doctor knows: \"Yes. All right. I shall see.\" He says, \"I have got a great pain in here.\" Now, the doctor sees that these are the symptoms of his main disease. [break] [end]",
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"content": "\n [leads kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\n[16:43]\n[sings:] Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\n[aside: Yes, open.]\nGovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\nPrabhupāda: [\nsings verse:]\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\nlakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.29]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\n[Bs. 5.29]\nThis is the description of Kṛṣṇa’s abode. So, cintāmaṇi-prakara. As here we find houses are constructed of bricks, there the houses are constructed of cintāmaṇi stone, touchstone. You have heard the name. Touchstone, if you touch that stone into iron, the iron becomes gold. That is called philosopher’s stone or touchstone.\nSo cintāmaṇi, the land and the houses are made of touchstone. Cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa. Kalpa-vṛkṣa: “desire tree.” There the trees are desire tree, because they are all spiritual. Just like if I ask you, “Please bring me a glass of water,” you can supply me. If I ask you, “Bring me something else,” so you can bring me also—because you are spirit, developed.\nBut if I ask a tree, suppose, supplying rose flower, if I ask, “Oh, please bring me lavender flower,” it cannot. Why? Because although it is spirit, it is not so developed.\nHere we see spirit, consciousness, different stages of development. That makes different status of life. And that different status of life are varieties, 8,400,000 developing. Developing means different kinds of body. Just like this child. Now this child has got a certain type of body.\nThe consciousness is according to that body. This child, when she will be grown-up as a young girl, her consciousness will be different—the same child. So the spirit soul is encaged by this material body, and according to the body, the consciousness is different. It is very simple to understand. Take example of this child.\nThe same child, same spirit soul, because it is now dwelling in a different type of body, its consciousness is different than the mother’s, because the mother has got a different type of body and the child has got a different type of body.\nSo it is not very difficult to understand that our consciousness are different type according to the body. So you go on developing. This human form of life is considered to be the most advanced animal. Human, human being also called animal according to logic. They are called rational animal.\nA human being is rational animal. Animal. And in the Vedas, śāstra also, they are called animal. Jantu. Jantu means “animal.” So it is when that spiritual consciousness, that Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is fully developed, full-fledged. Just like a rose flower, it has got different stages: the bud stages, the second stage, the third stage, the fourth stage, and when it is the blossom flower with full fragrance and beauty and color, you like: “Oh, it is very nice flower.” Similarly, you develop your consciousness. When it comes to the point of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, fully developed, that is your perfection of life.\nThat perfection of life is there. In the cintāmaṇi, in the abode of Kṛṣṇa, everyone—the tree, the animal, the cows, the birds, the bees, and the goddess of fortunes… They are called, all the women there, they are called goddess of fortune. Every woman is goddess of fortune. So there men are very beautiful, women are very beautiful, many, many thousand times of beautiful.\nThese are described in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. But the men are attracted, but there is so much attraction for kṛṣṇa-kīrtana that both men and women forget of anything of sex life. It is so nice, so attractive, that they have no more attraction for sex life. There is embracing, there is kissing—everything is there—but there is no sex life. Because they have got another thing, paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate [Bg. 2.59],\n[The embodied soul may be restricted from sense enjoyment, though the taste for sense objects remains. But, ceasing such engagements by experiencing a higher taste, he is fixed in consciousness.]\nSo sublime, so sweet, so transcendental, that they are simply absorbed in Kṛṣṇa thought. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, perfection of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo cintāmaṇi, there the trees, they have accepted the form of trees willingly: “I like to serve Kṛṣṇa as a plant,” “I like to serve Kṛṣṇa as a tree,” “I like to serve Kṛṣṇa as this or that.” So everything is there. Just like this calf is loving Kṛṣṇa in his own way, and Kṛṣṇa is also embracing, yes, responding. Not that because it is calf, animal, Kṛṣṇa is neglecting. No. Kṛṣṇa reciprocates His love. As you love Him, so He also reciprocates.\nye yathā māṁ prapadyante\ntāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham\n[Bg. 4.11]\n[All of them—as they surrender unto Me—I reward accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Pṛthā.]\nEveryone is loving Kṛṣṇa in different stages. And the response is there also by Kṛṣṇa. So when you are full-fledged Kṛṣṇa conscious, that is your perfection of life. And that can be seen in the transcendental abode of Kṛṣṇa known as Goloka Vṛndāvana.\nGoloka Vṛndāvana, that Goloka Vṛndāvana is descended with Kṛṣṇa. When Kṛṣṇa comes within this universe, His Goloka Vṛndāvana also comes with Him. Just like when the king goes somewhere, his all staff, his secretary, his military commander, his this, that—everyone goes with him. Similarly, when Kṛṣṇa comes on this planet, all His paraphernalia, entourage, everyone comes to display, to attract us, that “You are after this. You want to love.”\nHere you see in Vṛndāvana how everything is based on love. There is nothing else. They do not know that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. They don’t care to know it. But their natural affection and love is so intense for Kṛṣṇa that they cannot think anything else except Kṛṣṇa twenty-four hours. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The boys, cowherds boys, they go with Kṛṣṇa in the forest with the cows. The whole day they enjoy company of Kṛṣṇa.\nWhen they come home at night, also, they are speaking with their mother, “Mother, Kṛṣṇa is so wonderful. He…, He met... Oh, there was gigantic demon. He came, he was devouring us, and Kṛṣṇa killed him.” “Oh,” the mother says, “Oh, Kṛṣṇa is I know very wonderful boy.” That’s all.\nHe does not… They do not care whether Kṛṣṇa is God or anything. But Kṛṣṇa is very wonderful. Whenever there is some danger, they come to Kṛṣṇa. There was heavy rainfall. They all came, all the villagers came to Kṛṣṇa: “Ah, Kṛṣṇa, what is to be done?” And Kṛṣṇa said, “All right, I shall do.” He was only six- or seven-years-old boy. He lifted the whole hill and made it an umbrella. Made it an umbrella. [laughter] You see?\nSo this is Kṛṣṇa love. Kṛṣṇa love, they do not know Kṛṣṇa, whether Kṛṣṇa is God. They don’t care to know. “Brahmā—no. Kṛṣṇa is our lovable object.” Everyone. The animal, the birds, the bees, the flower, the land—everyone loves Kṛṣṇa. The gopīs, they are thinking always Kṛṣṇa: “Oh, Kṛṣṇa has gone to the forest. Oh, His sole is so soft.\nHow He is traveling on the ground, which is full of so many particles of stone and must be giving Him pain.” So they are thinking at home and becoming so sorry, crying, “Oh, Kṛṣṇa is…, must be very painful,” in this way. That is their thought. You see? The animals also, they are also thinking of Kṛṣṇa.\nEvery cow had a different name. And as soon as Kṛṣṇa will call by the name, just like this calf is there. The animal will come and wait with so ecstasy that the milk will drop on the ground. When the cow is very jubilant, milk automatically comes. These descriptions are there. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\nVery natural life, village life. Kṛṣṇa is not interested with industry or this or that—simply village life. The cows, the trees, nice land, nice Yamunā River, innocent cowherds boys, innocent cowherd, I mean to say, girls, and their father, their mother. This is called Vraja. Very natural life.\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\n[Bs. 5.29]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\nAnd Kṛṣṇa is very fond of herding cows. What kind of cows? Surabhi. Surabhi means they are also spiritual cows. You can take as much milk as you like, and as many times. There is no limit. Spiritual means unlimited; everything is unlimited. Here you can milk a cow once in a day or twice in a day, and that is also limited supply.\nBut there is no limit of supply. Surabhīr. And lakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ [Bs. 5.29].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\nLakṣmī. The gopīs, they are all goddess of fortune. What are these gopīs? What are these cows? They are expansion of Kṛṣṇa. They are not different from Kṛṣṇa.\nānanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhis\ntābhir ya eva nija-rūpatayā kalābhiḥ\ngoloka eva nivasaty akhilātma-bhūto\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.37]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, residing in His own realm, Goloka, with Rādhā, resembling His own spiritual figure, the embodiment of the ecstatic potency possessed of the sixty-four artistic activities, in the company of Her confidantes [sakhīs], embodiments of the extensions of Her bodily form, permeated and vitalized by His ever-blissful spiritual rasa.]\nYou read Brahma-samhitā very carefully. These descriptions are there. Ānanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhis. These cows, these gopīs, these trees, this land, this house, this father, mother, friend—everyone—they are expansion of Kṛṣṇa. They are not different from Kṛṣṇa. Expansion. Ānanda-cinmaya-rasa.\nThe Kṛṣṇa’s body is sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha, full bliss, full knowledge and eternal. And these cows, friends, land, trees, everything, they are all expansion. That is tested also here when Brahmā was illusioned, that “How is that, my Lord, Kṛṣṇa, has come on this earthly planet as a cowherd boy? He is playing. Let me see whether He is Kṛṣṇa.”\nSo he stole all the cows, all the cowherds boy, everything, and again when Brahmā came he saw that everything is there, although the stolen cows and boys were sleeping within a cave, but Kṛṣṇa has got full expansion. Then he could understand that He is the Supreme Lord Himself.\npūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya\npūrṇam evāvaśiṣyate\n[Īśo Invocation]\n[The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the Complete Whole is also complete in itself. Because He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance.]\nKṛṣṇa is so full. That is mentioned in the Vedas, that the Supreme Absolute Truth is so full that if you take even the full from the full, still He is full. Here if you take hundred dollars and if you take hundred dollars, there is zero. But in the spiritual world, if you take hundred dollars from hundred dollars, the hundred dollars is still there. So Kṛṣṇa is so full.\nSo as we make advancement in spiritual knowledge we can understand what is spiritual life. But if we meditate… Meditate means if we think over what is actually spiritual life, we can understand. That consciousness. This consciousness, purification of consciousness, and make the consciousness full with Kṛṣṇa thought, that will make you advanced in spiritual life.\nSo that day we were discussing…\n[aside: Where is my spectacle?]\n…about Prahlāda Mahārāja. Hm. So Prahlāda Mahārāja is humbly presenting himself, that “Great personalities and demigods like Brahmā and the siddhas, with eight kinds of perfection, material perfection, and there are many others, varieties of people and living entities there are within this universe.”\nAnd when Nṛsiṁhadeva was there, everyone came to see from every planet. So Prahlāda Mahārāja, he thought that, “How can I please the Lord while Brahmā and so many great personalities have failed?” Therefore he concludes like this. What is that?\nmanye dhanābhijana-rūpa-tapaḥ-śrutaujas-\ntejaḥ-prabhāva-bala-pauruṣa-buddhi-yogāḥ\nnārādhanāya hi bhavanti parasya puṁso\nbhaktyā tutoṣa bhagavān gaja-yūtha-pāya\n[SB 7.9.9]\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja continued: One may possess wealth, an aristocratic family, beauty, austerity, education, sensory expertise, luster, influence, physical strength, diligence, intelligence and mystic yogic power, but I think that even by all these qualifications one cannot satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead. However, one can satisfy the Lord simply by devotional service. Gajendra did this, and thus the Lord was satisfied with him.]\nHe is concluding like this, that “Because all these great personalities have failed to pacify the Lord, therefore I can conclude in this way.” Manye. Manye means “I can conclude.” What is that? That dhanābhijana-rūpa-tapaḥ-śrutaujas. Dhana, dhana means “riches,” “wealth.” Abhijana. Abhijana means “aristocrats.” Dhanābhijana-rūpa. Rūpa means “beauty.” These are material assets.\nIf you are born in an aristocratic family, in a rich family, you have got one dozen secretaries and you cannot be seen; you have to arrange with the secretaries for one dozen days, then you can be permitted. Just like if you want to see the President, you have to arrange for three months, or still you will be refused. This is called aristocracy.\nSo aristocracy, at the present moment if you somehow or other you can accumulate some wealth, you become aristocratic. Formerly that was not the process. Aristocracy means great parentage by quality. Just like in aristocracy of brāhmaṇas, that is a qualitative distinction. Satya-sama-dama-śaucam ārjavam.\nSo by formerly it was calculated whether you belong to high-class family by your quality. At the present moment, in this age, there is no question whether actually you are born in aristocratic family. Simply if you have got money you’ll be considered as aristocratic. So dhana, “wealth,” abhijana. Actually aristocratic family means they have got riches. Dhana abhijana and rūpa.\nRūpa means “beauty.” These things are specially mentioned here, because riches, wealth or birth in aristocratic or in a very respectable family and beauty, these things are achieved as a result of pious activities. They are not result of ordinary activities. So dhana jana abhijana rūpa tapa. Tapa means “austerity.”\nJust like Lord Buddha, he was prince, therefore he was very rich. And he was born in a royal family, therefore aristocracy, dhana rūpa; and because he was a kṣatriya… Buddha, Lord Buddha, was kṣatriya, so he was very…, kṣatriyas are very beautiful, especially.\nI have several times mentioned that this European stock, they belong to the kṣatriya according to Mahābhārata. So rūpa. Lord Buddha was aristocratic, wealthy and beautiful, and later on he took to meditation. That is called tapasya, tapa. Tapa means accepting some voluntary tribulation for higher advancement of life. That is called tapasya.\nSo this human form of life is meant for tapasya, tapa. That is mentioned. That is the special qualification: not to spoil this life in sense gratification, but for tapasya. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is educating people to accept this tapasya. Not…\nEven if you have got wealth, opulence, even if you are very beautiful, even if you are born in very high family or in the family of great nation, and still if there is no tapasya, it is imperfect. It is imperfect. So tapa. Manye dhanābhijana-rūpa-tapaḥ-śrutaujas [SB 7.9.9]. And śrutauja means “education.” Education. Highly educated.\nTapas śrutauja teja prabhāva. If one has got all these paraphernalia: wealth, aristocracy, beauty, austerity, penance, just like Lord Buddha had, then he gets some strength, teja. Teja, some influence. So teja. And teja prabhāva. Prabhāva, “influence.” Teja, “strength” or “power.”\nTejaḥ-prabhāva-bala, “bodily strength.”Pauruṣa. Pauruṣa means, what is called, if a man becomes very great by his own endeavor, what is the one word? Pauruṣa, in English? What is that one word? Just like you have got in your country somebody just like Ford. He began his business very poor but became very rich man.",
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And this line is for the humble and meek. That is also accepted by Lord Jesus Christ: only the humble and meek.\nCaitanya Mahāprabhu therefore teaches us,\ntṛṇād api sunīcena\ntaror api sahiṣṇunā\n[Cc. Ādi 17.31]\n[“One who thinks himself lower than the grass, who is more tolerant than a tree, and who does not expect personal honor yet is always prepared to give all respect to others can very easily always chant the holy name of the Lord.”]\nWho is fit for chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa? He is giving the definition. What is that? Tṛṇād api sunīcena: humbler than the grass. You know the grass, everyone is trampling over the grass, but it does not protest—“All right.” So tṛṇād api sunīcena: one has to be humbler than the grass. And taror api sahiṣṇunā. Taror api sahiṣṇunā…\nTaror means “trees.” Trees are very tolerant, example of tolerance, standing thousands of years, same place, does not protest. “Oh, you are cutting” –does not protest. “You are taking fruit” –does not protest. Still it is giving you shelter. When there is rain, there is scorching heat, you take shelter underneath a tree.\nHe does not say, “Oh, you man, you cut me, you take my fruit, you take my branches, take my leaves. Why you have came here to take shelter under me?” No. “Come on. Please sit down.” Just see how much tolerant. These things are to be learned how by nature’s study you can become very educated.\ntṛṇād api sunīcena\ntaror api sahiṣṇunā\namāninā mānadena\n[Cc. Ādi 17.31]\nFor personal self he is denying all kinds of respectful obeisances, but to others he will give all respectful obeisances. Amāninā mānadena kīrtanīyaḥ. Such mentality.\nNow how it is possible to become like that? That is not possible to learn artificially, that “I am trying to become more humbler or, I mean to say, tolerant than the tree.” No. It should be by scientific understanding of my constitutional position. What is my constitutional position? This gigantic body, I am not this body. I am not this body.\nWhat I am? I am spirit soul. And what is the measurement of the spirit soul? The measurement of a spirit soul is one ten-thousandth part of the top portion of your hair, tip of the hair. So actually I am smaller than the grass. I am smaller than the grass. Artificially I may have the body of an elephant, but I am not this body. My position is I am atomic spirit soul.\nSo if we understand…. In other words, if I am convinced, these things automatically develop in you. Tṛṇād api sunīcena taror api…Caitanya Mahāprabhu teaches that you become humbler than the grass, tolerant than the tree—not artificially but by pure understanding of your constitutional position.\nSo all these material qualification are due to this body. So this bodily qualification, I am not competent enough to approach the Supreme Absolute Truth. Your spiritual qualification, that spiritual… Therefore what is that spiritual qualification? That is stated by Prahlāda Mahārāja that,\nmanye dhanābhijana-rūpa-tapaḥ-śrutaujas-\ntejaḥ-prabhāva-bala-pauruṣa-buddhi-yogāḥ\nnārādhanāya hi bhavanti parasya puṁso\nbhaktyā tutoṣa bhagavān gaja-yūtha-pāya\n[SB 7.9.9]\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja continued: One may possess wealth, an aristocratic family, beauty, austerity, education, sensory expertise, luster, influence, physical strength, diligence, intelligence and mystic yogic power, but I think that even by all these qualifications one cannot satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead. However, one can satisfy the Lord simply by devotional service. Gajendra did this, and thus the Lord was satisfied with him.]\nParasya puṁso means the supreme transcendental personality. If you want to please that Supreme Personality of Godhead, then all these material qualification and assets cannot help you. Then what can help me? That is said, bhaktyā. That is devotion. So spiritual activity means devotional activity. Bhaktyā, devotion. If you want, that is also accepted in Bhagavad-gītā. Lord Kṛṣṇa says, bhaktyā mām abhijānāti [Bg. 18.55].\n[One can understand the Supreme Personality as He is only by devotional service. And when one is in full consciousness of the Supreme Lord by such devotion, he can enter into the kingdom of God.]\nBhaktyā: “Simply by devotional service one can understand Me.”\nIn another place Kṛṣṇa says,\nmanuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu\nkaścid yatati siddhaye\n[Bg. 7.3]\n[Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection, and of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth.]\n“Out of many millions and billions of persons, one become interested for spiritual perfection.” And,\nyatatām api siddhānāṁ\nkaścin māṁ vetti tattvataḥ\n[Bg. 7.3]\n[Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection, and of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth.]\n“And out of many such persons who are trying to have spiritual perfection of life, out of them, somebody may be knowing Me perfect.” To know Kṛṣṇa is not easy job. But it is easier, that is stated, bhaktyā mām abhijānāti [Bg. 18.55].\n[One can understand the Supreme Personality as He is only by devotional service. And when one is in full consciousness of the Supreme Lord by such devotion, he can enter into the kingdom of God.]\nIf you engage yourself in these Kṛṣṇa consciousness activities, very quickly you will understand. So Prahlāda Mahārāja confirms this statement, that nārādhanāya hi bhavanti parasya puṁso [SB 7.9.9]:\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja continued: One may possess wealth, an aristocratic family, beauty, austerity, education, sensory expertise, luster, influence, physical strength, diligence, intelligence and mystic yogic power, but I think that even by all these qualifications one cannot satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead. However, one can satisfy the Lord simply by devotional service. Gajendra did this, and thus the Lord was satisfied with him.]\nIf you want to please, satisfy, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, don’t count upon your material assets. You have to take to the spiritual process, bhaktyā, bhakti, devotional service. Then you can understand.\nSo now those who have got this material assets…. Just like I have come to your country; you have got much material assets. Everything you have got, these, all these things explained here, dhana, jana, abhijana, everything. Now if you apply these things to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then all these material assets becomes spiritualized.\nnirbandhe kṛṣṇa-sambandhe\nyukta-vairāgyam ucyate\n[Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.255]\n[When one is not attached to anything, but at the same time accepts everything in relation to Kṛṣṇa, one is rightly situated above possessiveness.]\nIf you dovetail this, then your opportunity is very, I mean to say, simple. You can very easily engage these things. We don’t condemn anything. Engage anything, everything, to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the formula given by our Rūpa Gosvāmī, that prāpañcikatayā buddhyā hari-sambandhi-vastunaḥ [Brs. 1.2.258].\n[On the other hand, one who rejects everything without knowledge of its relationship to Kṛṣṇa is not as complete in his renunciation.]\nThe Māyāvādī philosophers, they say that this material world is false and brahma satyaṁ, and the Supreme Spirit is truth, Supreme Truth. So brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā. But we say that the jagat, this material world, is not false; it is temporary. But so long it is under my control, if I can utilize it for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then these material assets can also help me. Very nice.\nSo we have to know the techniques, how to engage everything in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, so in any circumstances we can cultivate this bhakti-yoga, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is not hampering.\nsa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo\nyato bhaktir adhokṣaje\n[SB 1.2.6]\n[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]\nSimply we have to know the techniques, how to apply it for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then everything will be perfect. So this is the instruction of Prahlāda Mahārāja, that “Only by Your devotional service.” Material assets as it is, you cannot achieve spiritual perfection.\nBut if you are developed, if you have developed your devotional spirit, love of Godhead, sacrifice everything for Kṛṣṇa, apply everything for Kṛṣṇa, that will help you advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and go back to Godhead, go back to home.\nThank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\nAny question?\nViṣṇujana\n: In the prayer to the spiritual master there’s a verse that the spiritual master is receiving benediction from the ocean of mercy. Is the mercy that is always extended to the fallen souls the opportunity to serve Kṛṣṇa? And is that where all the bliss comes from also?\n Yes. Just like the sunlight. Sunlight is free. It is open for everyone. But if you block your room—you don’t like to see the sunlight—so how the sunlight can help you? You have to come to the open sunlight; then it is free. You can enjoy. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa’s mercy is open. It is not that Kṛṣṇa’s mercy is somewhere very prolific and somewhere it is very miserly. No. It is everywhere the same. But it is the recipient who can receive this Kṛṣṇa’s mercy.\nSo persons who are in love with Kṛṣṇa, they can receive Kṛṣṇa’s mercies very profusely. Otherwise Kṛṣṇa’s mercy is open for everyone. But if you, I mean to say, place stumbling blocks in understanding Kṛṣṇa… Just like the yogīs, the jñānīs, they like to speculate. Kṛṣṇa says that “I am here.” Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo [Bg. 10.8]:\n[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]\n“I am the source of everything.” Mattaḥ parataraṁ nāstī: “There is nothing superior or greater than Me.” But these people will still speculate to know. So what Kṛṣṇa can do? Here is Kṛṣṇa; here is the Supreme Absolute Truth presenting Himself, showing Himself, exhibiting Himself, and everything is there, complete, but still they will not… Just like the owls. As soon as there is daytime they will hide. Hmm, like… [makes gesture] [laughter] Determined not to see the sunlight, that’s all.\nSo these rascals, they will not see Kṛṣṇa. So what Kṛṣṇa, for Kṛṣṇa will do? Kṛṣṇa will never force, because He has given them independence. You see? So He will not touch upon your independence. Then what is the meaning of independence? If I give you something and if I take it away, then what is the meaning of giving? When I have given you, it is your property.\nSo Kṛṣṇa has given you independence. So you can misuse your independence. When Kṛṣṇa says, “I am here,” you are searching out. People will say, “Can you show me God?” And if I show, “Here is God. Just see,” “Ah, here is… Where it is? It is not God.” He wants to see something gigantic. What is that? Gigantic also, Kṛṣṇa showed His universal form to Arjuna.\nSo everything is there, but I am thinking otherwise. I am hiding from the sunlight. So sunlight is profuse; it is everywhere. The same sunlight in the northern portion of the earth, it is not so prominent. In the southern portion it is very prominent. Does it mean the sun exhibits very prominently in some portion of the earth and in some portion of the earth he is…? No. He is far away from the earth. It is the condition of the special place that sunlight is not seen.\nSo according to Vedic literature, places which are always overcast with clouds, no sunshine, they are condemned places. Condemned places. The people there are considered sinful where there is no much sunshine. Nature’s law, there will be less sunshine. Similarly, those who are sinful, they cannot understand Kṛṣṇa. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ. One who is completely liberated from all sinful activities,\nyeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ\njanānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām\n[Bg. 7.28]\n[Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life, whose sinful actions are completely eradicated and who are freed from the duality of delusion, engage themselves in My service with determination.]\nPersons who have simply acted piously, te dvandva-moha-nirmuktā, they become free from the duality, bhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ, and accept Kṛṣṇa with firm faith and devotes his life for His service.\nKṛṣṇa consciousness is not for ordinary persons. But if one seeing that “My other brother is in Kṛṣṇa consciousness; he is enjoying. Let me also,” he is also fortunate. Immediately he becomes fortunate—if he has got little sense. It is very difficult, but very easy also. The easiest. “Let me take to Kṛṣṇa…” Just like Kṛṣṇa says,\nbahūnāṁ janmanām ante\njñānavān māṁ prapadyate\n[Bg. 7.19]\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\n“After many, many births of cultivation of knowledge, one, when he is fully in knowledge, then he surrenders unto Me.” How? Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti: Kṛṣṇa is everything, vāsudeva. Sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ: “Such kind of great soul is very rare to be seen.”\nNow if you are intelligent, if you can understand simply by surrendering one becomes a very great soul, and they are very rare, why not surrender immediately? That is intelligence. If this is the process of highest perfection, why not do it immediately? Little intelligence.\nSo Caitanya-caritāmṛta says, kṛṣṇa ye bhaje se baḍa catura, only the first-class intelligent man can become in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, not the rascals and fools. They cannot. A little intelligence required. So it is very easy but it is very difficult for rascals and fools. Now why I am saying rascals and fools? I am not saying; Kṛṣṇa says. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā [Bg. 9.11]. Mūḍhā means rascals and fools.\nmānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam\nparaṁ bhāvam ajānanto\nmama bhūta-maheśvaram\n[Bg. 9.11]\n[Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be.]\n“These rascals and fools, they do not know what is the background of My personality.” They do not know. So it is by fortune, good association, but this fortune can be immediately achieved by association of kṛṣṇa-bhaktas, devotees of Kṛṣṇa. Therefore we have formulated this society for Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If anyone joins this society, very quickly he becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious without any previous qualifications. Simply by association and trying to follow the principles. Very quickly.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is open for everyone, as the sunshine is there for everyone, but we have got independence. If you like you can go to the sunshine, or you may block our room and windows and keep ourselves in darkness. That’s all. So Kṛṣṇa’s mercy is for everyone. Not that for a particular person. But a special mercy is for those who are engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is said,\nsamo 'haṁ sarva-bhūteṣu\nna me dveṣyo 'sti na priyaḥ\n[Bg. 9.29]\n[I envy no one, nor am I partial to anyone. I am equal to all. But whoever renders service unto Me in devotion is a friend, is in Me, and I am also a friend to him.]\nHe is not envious to anyone, neither somebody is especially favorable. But He says, ye bhajanti tu māṁ bhaktyā: “One who is engaged in My service with love and affection, oh, I am especially inclined.” That is natural. That is natural. The father loves the child; the child loves the father.\nIf many child are playing in the street, if there is some accident, and if the father goes and protects his own child particularly, neglecting other children, that is not his fault; that is natural. Similarly, one who is engaged in Kṛṣṇa’s service with faith and love, for him a special attention. That is not partiality. That is not partiality. But that special favor is there.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Suppose someone is firmly convinced that Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the only thing that will save him but yet he still has inclinations toward material activities. Will Kṛṣṇa force him in this case to become completely surrendered?",
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"content": "\n Yes. He puts the devotee in such a way that he is obliged to become Kṛṣṇa consciousness fully. Naturally, because we have materially associated for so many lives, so even though we are trying to become fully Kṛṣṇa conscious, so our material attachment sometimes drag us. But if we are very strongly Kṛṣṇa conscious, so these attachment will be taken away by Kṛṣṇa. That is mentioned in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam,\nyasyāham anugṛhṇāmi\nhariṣye tad-dhanaṁśanaiḥ\n[SB 10.88.8]\n[The Personality of Godhead said: If I especially favor someone, I gradually deprive him of his wealth. Then the relatives and friends of such a poverty-stricken man abandon him. In this way he suffers one distress after another.]\nI think I have personally that experience. Yes. I was not inclined to come to this line, but Kṛṣṇa has forced me. That is His special favor. I am now understanding, “Yes.” So, hmm, Kṛṣṇa is very intelligent. So if we foolishly want something other than Kṛṣṇa, He makes us forgetful of such nonsense. That is Kṛṣṇa’s special favor.",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, how may a brahmacārī channel his sex desire, you know, in serving Kṛṣṇa—that energy that he can’t control which is going to his sexual desires? How may he channel that into using that energy for Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n Sex desire is not unnatural, but you can utilize your sex desire for Kṛṣṇa’s service. You can produce Kṛṣṇa conscious children. So we don’t prohibit. Our process is that everything should be in the service of Kṛṣṇa. The others, they are producing children like cats and dogs.\nIf you produce children, Kṛṣṇa conscious, the face of the world will change. So sex desire is not unnatural. That is natural. Just like to become hungry. So hungry means it is healthy life. But it is the thing what you are eating. That is the thing.\nThat will be considered whether you will keep yourself healthy or you become diseased. That if you feel hunger, that is not unnatural. Similarly, if you feel sex desire, that is not unnatural. That is natural. But you have to utilize. That is restraint of the śāstra. Yaḥśāstra-vidhim utsṛjya [Bg. 16.23].\n[But he who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination.]\nWhat śāstra says how you shall utilize. So Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā that “The regulative way of sex life is Myself.” He says, “I am.” Sex life is not condemned. But one should know that “Why I shall use my sex life?” If it is used for Kṛṣṇa’s purpose, then I shall use. Otherwise I will not. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nJust like Vasudeva and Devakī, in their previous life Śatarūpā and other name I just forget. The husband and wife, after marriage, they began to prosecute tapasya. What was the tapasya? That “If we can get Kṛṣṇa as our child, then we will have sex life; otherwise not. Otherwise we shall go on tapasya.”\nSo when for many thousands of years they underwent tapasya, Kṛṣṇa came: “What do you want?” They said that “I want a child like You. Then we can have our marital life. Otherwise we shall go on tapasya.” “So, all right. But there is no proxy of Me. Then I shall become your child.” Then they agreed to become father and mother. [Sanskrit]\nThe Bhagavata says one should not become a father, one should not become a mother, one should not become a spiritual master, one should not become a friend, one should not become a husband. So many list. Who? One who cannot deliver his dependent from the impending clutches of death. You see? [Sanskrit] This life and death perpetual change of body, this is going on, 8,400,000s of species of life. And people are suffering. The living entities are encaged and suffering.\nSo a Kṛṣṇa conscious father and mother should be determined that “We shall beget children in such a way that this life will be the end of his change of body.” This life he will be liberated. That’s all. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness sex life. “I shall take care of my children in such a way that no more he will come back again in the womb of mother. He will be liberated, go back to Godhead.”\nYou can produce hundreds of children like that. That is Kṛṣṇa’s service. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There is nothing unnatural in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Everything is natural. So? Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nWho has seen that house? Dayānanda? You showed any of the brahmacārīs?",
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"content": "\n No [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Somebody else? Oh, Mandali, you have seen? Oh, you have seen. Very nice house.",
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"content": "\n Yes, I thought it was nice.",
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"content": "\n Oh, very good. You bring... We shall take that house. Eh? Very nice. You have seen inside also?",
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"content": "\n We looked at it through the window.",
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"content": "\n Oh, so... With Dayānanda?",
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"content": "\n I have been in that place.",
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"content": "\n Oh, you have been? It is nice place?",
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"content": "\n It has a fireplace. I think it has a fireplace.",
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"content": "\n That doesn’t matter, but... [laughter] So you take that house. It is very nice.",
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"content": "\n How many rooms does it have?\n I think it has two bedrooms and a bathroom and a living room and a big…, and a dining room which you can make into a temple, and a kitchen too. Backyard with a tree.",
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"content": "\n Very nice.",
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"content": "\n And on the broad road, very important place. Very nice. You immediately take that house. Yes. Hare Kṛṣṇa.\n[78:51]\n[kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\n What is this? Oh. For taking?",
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"content": "\n Would you like a plate, Swāmījī?",
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"content": "\n No, no. A sannyāsī should always take in his hand. That is the system. Not in a plate. That means if you take in a plate, you'll take much. [laughter] [chuckling] So in hand, he cannot take much. Kara-pātrī. That is the instruction. But in this age such strict laws cannot be followed.\nThe Bhāgavata says that when there is flat grass cushion, why should you ask for bedding? When you have got natural pillow, this hand, why you ask for a pillow? Then when there is river, so much water, why do you stock water? When there are fruits in the tree, why do you go and beg?\nWhen there is cave, why you are searching after apartment? [laughs] When the old garments are thrown in the street, then why you are searching after clothing? These are the instruction, you see. Completely free. Kasmād bhajanti kavayo dhana-durmadandhān [SB 2.2.5].\n[Are there no torn clothes lying on the common road? Do the trees, which exist for maintaining others, no longer give alms in charity? Do the rivers, being dried up, no longer supply water to the thirsty? Are the caves of the mountains now closed, or, above all, does the almighty Lord not protect the fully surrendered souls? Why then do the learned sages go to flatter those who are intoxicated by hard-earned wealth?]\nWhy should you go and flatter these moneyed men? That is it. Complete independence. But those days are now gone. [laughs] It is a different age.\n[taking prasādam]\nLos Angeles, I think, is a good place. Hmm? What is your...? Your problem solved?",
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"content": "\n Good news. We went to the Hollywood police station, and the man told us that part of the duty of the police station is to... He says he should protect religious people like us.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n He says... He mentioned other religious people, and he said if we can just keep the crowd moving, then we have every right to be there. So he has given us right to go to Hollywood. In downtown Los Angeles we don't have that right yet. We'll still go there, but in Hollywood it is all right. So that's good enough.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. It is Kṛṣṇa's grace. I was telling the same thing to Dayānanda, that he should present this case to the higher officer. That's all. We are preaching God consciousness. We should be given... That was the Vedic law. Saintly persons, they should be given all protection.\nIf somebody insulted a saintly person, there was a special punishment for that. That's all right. So you take that house, that is Hollywood quarter? Hmm.\n[aside:] Give him more. No. I have got. You take.\nOh, Nandarāṇī is outside?",
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"content": "\n Yes. [indistinct] for Nandarāṇī.",
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"content": "\n Why she is outside?",
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"content": "\n It's the baby.",
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"content": "\n Baby was not disturbing. I have received one letter from San Francisco. They are shortage of men. So Dīnadayālu is going back?",
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"content": "\n Oh, no. We need more men here. [Prabhupāda laughs] We are so short. That is the problem. We have too few people here. Dīnadayālu is so essential. I was just going to ask you if we could have some more men. Jayarāma...",
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"content": "\n Create men. Bring some men.",
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"content": "\n Recruit.",
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"content": "\n Here is a new boy, I see.",
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"content": "\n He's very intelligent.",
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"content": "\n Hmm. You have not taken prasādam? You have taken these fruits? This is the first time you come here?",
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"content": "\n Yes. [break]\nMādhavī-latā\n:\n If you live with people... If you live around people and they say offensive things, because they are ignorant or they are sinful, as you say...",
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"content": "\n Try to excuse them.\nMādhavī-latā\n:\n Do I leave...\n As far as possible.\nMādhavī-latā\n:\n Excuse them. I shouldn't move out of there?\n Yes. As far as possible tolerate.\nMādhavī-latā\n: \nTolerate.\n They are all crazy. Yes. They are crazy.\nMādhavī-latā\n:\n No, because... It's just one man, the owner. I asked him so many times if he would make room for..., to have a meeting. The place is gigantic. You know, 'cause you stayed there. Remember? At that motel. He said he didn't have any room.\n Oh. They have got very big hall?\nMādhavī-latā\n:\n So I was just wondering, maybe I should... You know, well, if that's how they're going to act, then I should move out of there. But I don't know. I don't know if that's the right attitude on my part. I don't know. They say they didn't have any room.\n Oh, you are...\n[aside:] Govinda dāsī? [end]",
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"content": "\n[Yamunā starts kīrtana with \"Hare Kṛṣṇa.\"\n Vandanam. Vandanam. Vandanam.",
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"content": "\n What?",
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"content": "\n Vandanam Prayer?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]\n[Prabhupāda leads devotees in Vande 'ham].\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the Six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nChant.\n[Yamunā starts leading Hare Kṛṣṇa kīrtana. Prabhupāda chants prayers to the six Gosvāmīs by himself]\n[13:37]",
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"content": "\n\nkṛṣṇotkīrtana-gāna-nartana-parau premāmṛtāmbho-nidhī\ndhīrādhīra-jana-priyau priya-karau nirmatsarau pūjitau\nYou can get up. Can anyone follow on the harmonium, this? Mukunda, you can follow. [sings]\nkṛṣṇotkīrtana-gāna-nartana-parau premāmṛtāmbho-nidhī\ndhīrādhīra-jana-priyau priya-karau nirmatsarau pūjitau\nśrī-caitanya-kṛpā-bharau bhuvi bhuvo bhārāvahantārakau\nvande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau\n[Śrī Śrī Ṣaḍ-gosvāmy-aṣṭaka 1]\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the Six Gosvāmīs, namely Śrī Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrī Sanātana Gosvāmī, Śrī Raghunātha Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, Śrī Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Śrī Jīva Gosvāmī, and Śrī Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, who are always engaged in chanting the holy name of Kṛṣṇa and dancing. They are just like the ocean of love of God, and they are popular both with the gentle and with the ruffians, because they are not envious of anyone. Whatever they do, they are all-pleasing to everyone, and they are fully blessed by Lord Caitanya. Thus they are engaged in missionary activities meant to deliver all the conditioned souls in the material universe.]\n[repeats song] [Prabhupāda continues playing karatālas while speaking]\nThis, today, a devotee is being initiated, so we are praying to the lotus feet of the six Gosvāmīs, who inaugurated this movement under the instruction of Lord Śrī Caitanya. Who are they? Śrī rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau. Just try to chant these six names.\n[sings] Vande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau.\nRepeat. [devotees chant]\nAgain. [devotees chant twice more]\nVande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau. \nRūpa, sanātana, two, vande rūpa-sanātanau; raghu-yugau. There were two Raghunāthas. One Raghunātha Bhaṭṭācārya and one Raghunātha dāsa. Two Raghunāthas, and Rūpa, Sanātana.\nVande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau. [repeats with devotees]\nRepeat. [devotees chant twice more]\nSo what was their business? Kṛṣṇot-kīrtana-gāna-nartana-parau: always engaged in chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇotkīrtana. Hare Kṛṣṇa means kṛṣṇa-kīrtana. Kṛṣṇotkīrtana-gāna-nartana-parau. Nartana means dancing. So chanting and dancing. That was their business.\n[sings]\nKṛṣṇotkīrtana-gāna-nartana-parau premāmṛtāmbho-nidhī. And kṛṣṇa-kīrtana, whenever one is merged in kṛṣṇa-kīrtana, that means he is merged into the ocean of love of Kṛṣṇa. That should be the test. As soon as \"Kṛṣṇa,\" this sound is vibrated, one immediately becomes merged into the ocean of love. That is the sign of pure devotion. Immediately. So these Gosvāmīs, they... Premāmṛtāmbho-nidhī. They merged immediately into the ocean of love of God.\n[sings]\nKṛṣṇotkīrtana-gāna-nartana-parau premāmṛtāmbho-nidhī,\ndhīrādhīra-jana-priyau priya-karau nirmatsarau pūjitau.\nAnd these Gosvāmīs were dear both to the devotees and nondevotees. Not that they were simply liked by the devotees, but nondevotees also liked them. That was their position. A devotee's position is ajāta-śatru: he has no enemy. He has no enemy. Ajāta-śatru. Nirmatsara. Nirmatsara means because they are not envious. A devotee is always open to everyone.\nThere is no question of discrimination, that \"This person should be allowed to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and this person should not be allowed.\" No. In the material platform there is difference: high, low, man, woman, this or that. But in the spiritual platform there is no such difference. Therefore they were nonenvious, nirmatsara, and because they were nonenvious, pūjitau. Pūjitau means they are worshipable.\nA person should be worshipable because he's nonenvious. Śrī-caitanya-kṛpā-bharau: such kind of position can be attained by one who has acquired the mercy of Lord Caitanya. Śrī-caitanya-kṛpā-bharau bhuvi bhuvo bhārāvahantāra. And such person can deliver the suffering humanity from this material contamination. Therefore we offer our respectful obeisances unto the six Gosvāmīs, Rūpa, Sanātana, two Raghunātha, Gopāla Bhaṭṭa and Śrī Jīva Gosvāmī.\n[sings, with devotees singing]\nVande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau.\nRepeat.\nVande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau.\nnānā-śāstra-vicāraṇaika-nipuṇau sad-dharma-saṁsthāpakau\nlokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau tri-bhuvane mānyau śaraṇyākarau\nrādhā-kṛṣṇa-padāravinda-bhajanānandena mattālikau\nvande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the six Gosvāmīs, namely Śrī Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrī Sanātana Gosvāmī, Śrī Raghunātha Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, Śrī Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Śrī Jīva Gosvāmī, and Śrī Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, who are very expert in scrutinizingly studying all the revealed scriptures with the aim of establishing eternal religious principles for the benefit of all human beings. Thus they are honored all over the three worlds and they are worth taking shelter of because they are absorbed in the mood of the gopīs and are engaged in the transcendental loving service of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa.]\n[Prabhupāda continues playing karatālas while speaking]\nNānā-śāstra-vicāraṇaika-nipuṇau: they were expert in scrutinizingly studying all the scriptures. Nānā-śāstra-vicāraṇaika-nipuṇau. Nipuṇau means expert. Why? Sad-dharma-saṁsthāpakau: to establish real religion in the world. Real religion. Just yesterday we have received one letter from Mr. Renovich, Vancouver. He says that the Canadians, they want real religion. That's very good, encouraging. Anyone, if he is anxious to have real religion, for him this is the best thing, this kṛṣṇa-kīrtana-gāna-nartana. So without religion, human society is nothing but animal society. It is simply polished animalism.\nSo these Gosvāmīs, they made so many books to guide us. You have read Rūpa Gosvāmī's Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu. That is the first direction in the line. So they always worked very hard, day and night. Their business was writing books or chanting and dancing. And other necessities—eating, sleeping, mating and fearing—they practically abolished. There was no question of mating; there was no question of fearing. And sleeping, they used to sleep utmost one and a half hour daily in twenty-four hours. And eating, that is also practically nil. When they felt hungry they would go to some householder's home and beg one cāpāṭi or two cāpāṭis. That's all. Finished.\nSo nānā-śāstra-vicāraṇaika-nipuṇau sad-dharma-saṁsthāpakau. Why? Lokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau. The mission of saintly person is simply to think how this suffering humanity will become happy by spiritual consciousness. That is their business. They are not for exploiting. The whole material world is trying... One man is trying to exploit another; one nation is trying to exploit another nation; one society is trying to... This is struggle for existence. They have invented this law that \"Might is right.\" You struggle, and if you are powerful... Just like there is now a struggle between Russia and America, or China and America. This is going on.\nSo everyone is suffering. The struggle for existence means a condition of suffering. And these saintly persons, devotees of Kṛṣṇa—not only devotees of Kṛṣṇa, any devotee of God—they are..., their business is to see how people become happy. Lokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau. Therefore, tribhuvane mānyau: the devotees are worshiped not only in this planet but in other planets also—wherever they will go.\nThere is a nice verse in Cāṇakya Paṇḍita: vidvatvāṁ ca nṛpatyāṁ ca naiva tulyaṁ kadācana. He says that a rich man and a learned man cannot be compared. There is no comparison. Why? Because sva-deśe pūjyate rājan vidvān sarvatra pūjyate: a rich man may be honored in his own country, but a learned man, a devotee of God, he will be honored wherever he goes.\nSva-deśe pūjyate rājan vidvān sarvatra pūjyate. So this is the position of devotee. Therefore a devotee, wherever he goes he'll be honored. Therefore a devotee has no distinction whether it is heaven or hell, because Kṛṣṇa is with him either in heaven or hell. So where there is Kṛṣṇa, there is no question of hell; it is Vaikuṇṭha.\nJust like Haridāsa Ṭhākura, he did not enter Jagannātha temple at Purī. He thought himself that \"I am born in Muhammadan family. These Hindus, they're against any Muhammadans entering the temple. Why shall I go and disturb them? I shall chant here.\" So Jagannātha Himself was coming daily to him.\nThis is the power of devotee. He hasn't got to go to Jagannātha, but Jagannātha comes to see Him. Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu used to come daily to Haridāsa Ṭhākura. When He was going to take bath in the sea, so He would first of all enter Haridāsa's cottage: \"Haridāsa, what you are doing?\" \"Yes, my Lord. Please come.\" So this is the position of devotee. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, mad-bhakta-pūjābhyadhikā [SB 11.19.21].\n[Firm faith in the blissful narration of My pastimes, constant chanting of My glories, unwavering attachment to ceremonial worship of Me, praising Me through beautiful hymns, great respect for My devotional service, offering obeisances with the entire body, performing first-class worship of My devotees, consciousness of Me in all living entities, offering of ordinary, bodily activities in My devotional service, use of words to describe My qualities, offering the mind to Me, rejection of all material desires, giving up wealth for My devotional service, renouncing material sense gratification and happiness, and performing all desirable activities such as charity, sacrifice, chanting, vows and austerities with the purpose of achieving Me—these constitute actual religious principles, by which those human beings who have actually surrendered themselves to Me automatically develop love for Me. What other purpose or goal could remain for My devotee?]\nIf somebody worships a devotee, that worshipment is more valuable than worshiping Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says like that.\nSo this is a process... Vaiṣṇava process is paramparā process. So today this nice girl is going to be initiated. She must learn this science, this very nice science, and you all Godbrothers and sisters will help her. Anyone who is trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious, he should be given or she should be given all kinds of facilities. You'll be glad to learn that our Hayagrīva Brahmacārī, he is taking one land in New [sic] Virginia, 136 acres of land. So I've advised him to develop it into New Vrindaban.\nSo I have got today his letter, the document he is preparing through the lawyer. So it is also a nice project. If by Kṛṣṇa's desire we can develop a center just exactly prototype of Vṛndāvana, it will be very nice. Those American boys and girls who cannot go so long distance, 14,000 miles, they will have facility. So Kṛṣṇa is giving us all facilities. Simply we have to be very sincere, and everything will be done nicely.\nSo let us begin our today's business. So you come forward. Yes. Take little water, one glass and spoon. This is too big. All right, take it. You know how to do it? Take little water—one, two, three, then four. Do it like that.\n[to other devotees:] You chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Hare Kṛṣṇa.\n[devotees chant japa]\n[Prabhupāda leads devotees in chanting oṁ apavitraḥ prayer three times]\nnama apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bahyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ\nśrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\nNow again do that. That door is closed? Three times. Again chant.\n[leads devotees in chanting oṁ apavitraḥ]\nnama apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bahyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ\nśrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu\nDo it again: one, two, three.\nnama apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bahyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ\nśrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu\nThe purport of this mantra is that if anyone is impure, apavitraḥ... Pavitraḥ means pure. Anyone, either he is pure or impure, it doesn't matter. Apavitraḥ pavitraḥ vā sarvāvasthām. In any condition of life, it doesn't matter. Pure or impure; there are two conditions. Someone is impure, someone is pure. So either way, namo apavitraḥ pavitro, sarvāvasthām, in any condition, yaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣam: anyone who remembers puṇḍarīkākṣam, means Viṣṇu or Kṛṣṇa...\nYaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ sa, that person, bahyābhyantaraṁ śuciḥ, he immediately becomes cleansed inside and outside. Śuciḥ, śuciḥ means clean or śuciḥ means brāhmaṇa. Brāhmaṇa means clean. You have got all threads, so you should always prove that you are always clean. Bahyābhyantaraṁ śuciḥ. Śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu. So this is remembering Viṣṇu.\nSo simply by remembering Viṣṇu, if one becomes clean inside and outside, so by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, how much purified he is becoming in every moment or every second. It is so nice. There is no question if we always keep ourselves chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare, so there is no chance of being contaminated by the influence of māyā. It is so nice.\nNow you chant, I'll say, you repeat.\n[chants prayers for fire sacrifice, devotees respond]\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the Six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nnama om viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya\nbhūtale śrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayitāya kṛpābdhaye\nkṛṣṇa-sambandha-vijñāna-dāyine prabhave namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrī Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.]\nmādhuryojjvala-premāḍhya-śrī-rūpānuga-bhaktida-\nśrī-gaura-karuṇā-śakti-vigrahāya namo 'stu te\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mercy, who delivers devotional service enriched with conjugal love of Śrī Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamas te gaura-vāṇī-śrī-mūrtaye dīna-tāriṇe\nrūpānuga-viruddhāpasiddhānta-dhvānta-hāriṇe\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mercy, who delivers devotional service enriched with conjugal love of Śrī Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamo gaura-kiśorāya sākṣād-vairāgya-mūrtaye\nvipralambha-rasāmbhodhe pādāmbujāya te namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja [the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is renunciation personified. He is always merged in a feeling of separation and intense love of Kṛṣṇa.]\nnamo bhaktivinodāya sac-cid-ānanda-nāmine\ngaura-śakti-svarūpāya rūpānuga-varāya te\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Saccidānanda Bhaktivinoda, who is the transcendental energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is a strict follower of the Gosvāmīs, headed by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\ngaurāvirbhāva-bhūmes tvaṁ nirdeṣṭā saj-jana-priyaḥ\nvaiṣṇava-sārvabhaumaḥ śrī-jagannāthāya te namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīla Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who is respected by the entire Vaiṣṇava community and who confirmed the discovery of the place where Lord Caitanya appeared.]\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvenebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.]\nnamo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te\nkṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ\n[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmātī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\npañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ bhakta-rūpa-svarūpakam\nbhaktāvatāraṁ bhaktākhyaṁ namāmi bhakta-śaktikam\n[I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional manifestation, devotional incarnation, pure devotee and devotional energy.]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, O ocean of mercy, O friend of the distressed and the source of creation, O master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\njayatāṁ, suratau, paṅgor, mama, manda, mater, gate\nmat, sarvasva, padām, bhojau, rādhā, madana, mohanau\n[Sambandhādhideva Praṇāma]\n[Glory to the all-merciful Rādhā and Madana-mohana! I am lame and ill advised, yet They are my directors, and Their lotus feet are everything to me.]\ndīvyad, vṛnda, araṇya, kalpa, drumādhaḥ\nśrīmad, ratna, agāra, siṁha, asana-sthau\nśrī śrī, rādhā, śrīla, govinda, devau\npreṣṭhā, devī, sevya, mānau, smarāmi\n[Abhidheyādhideva Praṇāma]\n[In a temple of jewels in Vṛndāvana, underneath a desire tree, Śrī Śrī Rādhā-Govinda, served by Their most confidential associates, sit upon an effulgent throne. I offer my most humble obeisances unto Them.]\nśrīmam, rāsa, rasa, arambhī, vaṁśī, vaṭa, taṭa, sthitaḥ\nkarṣan, veṇu, svanair, gopīr, gopī, nāthaḥ, śriye, astu, naḥ\n[Prayojanādhideva Praṇāma]\n[Śrī Śrīla Gopīnātha, who originated the transcendental mellow of the rāsa dance, stands on the shore in Vaṁśīvaṭa and attracts the attention of the cowherd damsels with the sound of His celebrated flute. May they all confer upon us their benediction.]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devī praṇamāmi hari-priye\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[O Śrīmāti Rādhārāṇī (the divine energy of the Lord Kṛṣṇa), O all-attractive reservoir of pleasure, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, please engage me in Your loving devotional service.]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\nThank you. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Right hand, not left hand. Keep forward your right hand. Yes.\n[Prabhupāda and devotees chant japa]\nSo you have seen how I'm chanting? You'll begin from this bigger one—Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare—then take another; in this way, come to this end, again begin from here, come to this end. In this way, chant sixteen rounds at least. At least. So...\n[break] ...principles of restriction. The more you follow the restriction, the more you become advanced. These things are required. And you try to avoid ten kinds of offenses.\n[aside:] That offenses? The paper is not there? The ten kinds of offenses.",
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"content": "\n Easy Journey to Other Planets. Shall I get that?",
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"content": "\n Other planets? Offenses. Ten kinds of offenses to be avoided. You have got that?",
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"content": "\n All right. So the first offense is satāṁ-nindā: no devotee shall be blasphemed. Satāṁ-nindaṁ śruti-śāstra-nindanam: no scriptures should be defiled. Satāṁ-nindaṁ śruti-śāstra-nindanam tathārtha-vādo hari-nāmni kalpanam: and never make any interpretation. Just like we are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, somebody may make interpretation. There is no interpretation. The direct meaning is that we are praying Kṛṣṇa and His energy to accept me in the society of His service. This is the simple... There is no other interpretation. Or artha-vādaḥ.\nAnd sāmya-śubha-kriyā-pramādaḥ: one should not accept chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa with some..., something śubha-kriyā. Just like generally the materialist persons, they go to churches or temple just to become purified of their sinful activities. Just like in Christian religion it is the custom... What is called?",
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"content": "\n Confession.",
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"content": "\nAh. Confession. So we should not [be] like that. It is not confession. Confession means I confess that I have done this sinful act, and as soon as I come out from the church I do it again. No. We should know that all sinful activities are washed off by chanting, but that does not mean we shall commit it again. Whatever we have done, that is washed off. Now we should be careful.\nAnd that four principles—no illicit sex life, no, I mean to say, meat-eating, and no gambling, no intoxication—you try and follow. You must follow. As you are taking this mantra, you must now follow. Whatever is done is done, finished. And we, we allow marriage. So there is no restriction. One can marry. But no illicit sex. So these four principles should be followed, and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and be pleased. Be more beautiful within and without. You are beautiful girl, so... You are all beautiful. So become beautiful within also. Kṛṣṇa will accept.\nKṛṣṇa can accept any number of beautiful girls. [laughs] Unlimitedly. Just see. Lakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānam [Bs. 5.29].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\nLakṣmī. The beautiful girls are called that goddess of fortune. Actually, woman is considered as goddess of fortune, representative of goddess of fortune. We are misusing for sense gratification. No. They should be respected as goddess of fortune. If one man has got nice wife, actually he has got goddess of fortune. That is astrological calculation. A man is considered to be fortunate in three ways. If he has got good wife, then he is fortunate. If he has got good son, then he is fortunate. And if he has got plenty money, he is fortunate. So these three standards of fortune, out of which, one who has got good wife, he is the most fortunate.\nSo our Society will try to make good wives so that the boys, all boys, should..., can think himself always fortunate. If one has got good wife, any place, doesn't matter. Either under... Just like Lord Śiva, he was living underneath the tree. There is no shelter, but he had the good wife, Pārvatī, so he was happy. So whenever you like, we shall select any brahmacārī. But don't have illicit sex. Marriage is allowed. I take personally care of marriage. I want this society must be cleansed. Without being cleansed, nobody can advance in spiritual consciousness. So what is your name?",
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"content": "\n Wendy.",
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"content": "\n Your present name? What is that?",
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"content": "\n Wendy. Wendy.",
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"content": "\nWendy. So is there any name Rukmiṇī in our list?",
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"content": "\n So you may be called Rukmiṇī devī. And some day you may be kidnapped by Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa kidnapped Rukmiṇī. Rukmiṇī was very beautiful, qualified, Lakṣmī. So his [her] father liked that Rukmiṇī should be given to Kṛṣṇa. And his [her] brother liked that she should be handed over to another boy. So Rukmiṇī sent one letter to Kṛṣṇa, that \"Although I've not seen You, but I've heard of Your activities. So I am attached to You. Now some nonsense is coming to marry me.\"\n[break] Just see how nice it is. [laughs]\nAnd we eat kṛṣṇa-prasāda, we enjoy the Kṛṣṇa. What is this nonsense, ahaṁ brahman, Brahman? \"I am stone.\" What is the difference? If somebody thinks, \"I am stone,\" and if somebody says, \"I am Brahman. I am void,\" so what is the difference between stone and void? The same thing. Why should we become stone and wood? We should..., we shall reciprocate loving affairs with Kṛṣṇa.\nMādhavī-latā? How many pictures you have done? You have seen Mādhavī-latā's picture? That picture is painted by Mādhavī-latā.",
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"content": "\n Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\nYes, she is good painter. You chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. We have stopped. Yes, always chant. Chant loudly.\n[break] fire sacrifice continues]\nnama apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bahyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ\nśrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\nnama om viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya\nbhūtale śrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine.\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the Six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nnama om viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya\nbhūtale śrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayitāya kṛpābdhaye\nkṛṣṇa-sambandha-vijñāna-dāyine prabhave namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\nI offer my respectful obeisances to Śrī Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.\nnamo gaura-kiśorāya sākṣād-vairāgya-mūrtaye\nvipralambha-rasāmbhodhe pādāmbujāya te namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja [the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is renunciation personified. He is always merged in a feeling of separation and intense love of Kṛṣṇa.]\nnamo bhaktivinodāya sac-cid-ānanda-nāmine\ngaura-śakti-svarūpāya rūpānuga-varāya te\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Saccidānanda Bhaktivinoda, who is the transcendental energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is a strict follower of the Gosvāmīs, headed by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\ngaurāvirbhāva-bhūmes tvaṁ nirdeṣṭā saj-jana-priyaḥ\nvaiṣṇava-sārvabhaumaḥ śrī-jagannāthāya te namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīla Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who is respected by the entire Vaiṣṇava community and who confirmed the discovery of the place where Lord Caitanya appeared.]\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvenebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.]\nnamo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te\nkṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmātī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\npañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ bhakta-rūpa-svarūpakam\nbhaktāvatāraṁ bhaktākhyaṁ namāmi bhakta-śaktikam\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional manifestation, devotional incarnation, pure devotee and devotional energy.]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, O ocean of mercy, O friend of the distressed and the source of creation, O master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\njayatāṁ, suratau, paṅgor, mama, manda, mater, gate\nmat, sarvasva, padām, bhojau, rādhā, madana, mohanau\n[Sambandhādhideva Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[Glory to the all-merciful Rādhā and Madana-mohana! I am lame and ill advised, yet They are my directors, and Their lotus feet are everything to me.]\ndīvyad, vṛnda, araṇya, kalpa, drumādhaḥ\nśrīmad, ratna, agāra, siṁha, asana-sthau\nśrī śrī, rādhā, śrīla, govinda, devau\npreṣṭhā, devī, sevya, mānau, smarāmi\n[Abhidheyādhideva Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[In a temple of jewels in Vṛndāvana, underneath a desire tree, Śrī Śrī Rādhā-Govinda, served by Their most confidential associates, sit upon an effulgent throne. I offer my most humble obeisances unto Them.]\nśrīmān, rāsa, rasa, arambhī, vaṁśī, vaṭa, taṭa, sthitaḥ\nkarṣan, veṇu, svanair, gopīr, gopī, nāthaḥ, śriye, astu, naḥ\n[Prayojanādhideva Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[Śrī Śrīla Gopīnātha, who originated the transcendental mellow of the rāsa dance, stands on the shore in Vaṁśīvaṭa and attracts the attention of the cowherd damsels with the sound of His celebrated flute. May they all confer upon us their benediction.]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devī praṇamāmi hari-priye\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\nNow, you take this. Stand up.\n[fire sacrifice continues]\nnama oṁ, brahmaṇya, devāya\ngo, brāhmaṇa, hitāya ca\njagad, dhitāya, kṛṣṇāya\ngovindāya, namo, namaḥ\n[Viṣṇu Purāṇa 1.19.65]\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to the Supreme Absolute Truth, Krishna, who is the well-wisher of the cows and the brahmanas as well as the living entities in general. I offer my repeated obeisances to Govinda [Krishna], who is the pleasure reservoir for all the senses.]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare \n[break] All bow down. [devotees offer obeisances]\nNow chant. \"Govinda Jaya Jaya.\" Chant.\nChant and dance.\n[77:07]\n[Prabhupāda leads kīrtana] [prema-dhvanī] [break]",
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"content": "\n Will you always be our spiritual master?",
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"content": "\n I don't follow. What do you say?",
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"content": "\n Will you be our spiritual master for eternity?",
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"content": "\n I think so. [laughs] Whatever we do here, it is for eternity, because it is not on the material stages. It is all on the spiritual platform. There is a song by Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, cakhu-dān dilo yei janme janme pitā sei [Śrī Guru-vandanā]:\n[He who has given us the gift of transcendental vision is our lord, birth after birth. It is by his mercy that divine knowledge is revealed within our hearts, bestowing pure love for Kṛṣṇa and destroying ignorance. The Vedic scriptures sing of his character.]\n\"One who has opened the eyes, he is, birth after birth, he is my father.\"",
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"content": "\n Oh, that is... Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Cakhu-dān dilo yei. Cakhu-dān means one who has opened the eyes, that is spiritual master. Janme janme pitā sei. Janme janme means birth after birth, he is my father. All right, distribute prasādam. Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare.\nOh, the whole thing? [laughs] All right. Give it.\n[devotees chanting japa]\n[break] You are not taking?",
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"content": "\nI have.",
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"content": "\nTake more. Oh, where is Mādhavī-latā? Why you are in the back side? Come on, take more. Come here. You are not taking more?\nHare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare/ Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n Rukmiṇī devī gave that to you.",
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"content": "\n Oh. Very good. What is this?",
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"content": "\n It's a shawl for around your neck in the cold weather.",
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"content": "\n Oh.",
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"content": "\n She made it.",
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"content": "\n Very good. Very nice. Thank you.",
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"content": "\n I'll give it to Govinda dāsī.",
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"content": "\nPrabhupāda\n: This verse is, namaḥ: “I offer my respectful…”Namaḥ means “I offer my respectful obeisances.”Apavitraḥ means “uncleanliness,” and pavitra means “cleanliness.” So either one is in cleanliness or uncleanliness, it doesn’t matter. Yaḥ, anyone who chants or remembers puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ... \nPuṇḍarīkākṣaṁ means Viṣṇu or Kṛṣṇa. Yaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ: anyone, either in cleanliness or uncleanliness, it doesn’t matter, if he remembers or chants the name of Viṣṇu and Kṛṣṇa, yaḥ smaret puṇḍarī…, sa, that person, bahya—bahya means “externally,”abhyantaraḥ, “internally.”\nThere are two things: externally, internally. So that person becomes purified, bahyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ. Śuciḥ means “purified.” The power is so great that simply by remembering and chanting one becomes purified, and therefore three times we chant this śrī-viṣṇu śrī-viṣṇu śrī-viṣṇu. This is the purport of this mantra.\nNow, as I repeat, you chant. [responsive word-by-word chanting by devotees]\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the Six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī Ṭhākura, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayitāya kṛpābdhaye\nkṛṣṇa-sambandha-vijñāna-dāyine prabhave namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrī Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.]\nmādhuryojjvala-premāḍhya-śrī-rūpānuga-varāya te\nmādhuryojjvala-premāḍhya-śrī-rūpānuga-varāya te\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mercy, who delivers devotional service enriched with conjugal love of Śrī Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nI forget. Ah, guru...\nrūpānuga-viruddhāpasiddhānta-dhvānta-hāriṇe\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Lord Caitanya. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement against the teachings of devotional service enunciated by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayitāya kṛpābdhaye\nkṛṣṇa-sambandha-vijñāna-dāyine prabhave namaḥ\nI offer my respectful obeisances to Śrī Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.\nmādhuryojjvala-premāḍhya-śrī-rūpānuga-bhaktida\nśrī-gaura-karuṇā-śakti-vigrahāya namo 'stu te\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mercy, who delivers devotional service enriched with conjugal love of Śrī Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamas te gaura-vāṇī-śrī-mūrtaye dīna-tāriṇe\nrūpānuga-viruddhāpasiddhānta-dhvānta-hāriṇe\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Lord Caitanya. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement against the teachings of devotional service enunciated by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamo gaura-kiśorāya sākṣād-vairāgya-mūrtaye\nvipralambha-rasāmbhode pādāmbujāya te namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja [the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is renunciation personified. He is always merged in a feeling of separation and intense love of Kṛṣṇa.]\nnamo bhaktivinodāya sac-cid-ānanda-nāmine\ngaura-śakti-svarūpāya rūpānuga-varāya te\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Saccidānanda Bhaktivinoda, who is the transcendental energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is a strict follower of the Gosvāmīs, headed by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnama gaurāvirbhāva-bhūmes tvaṁ nirdeṣṭā saj-jana-priyaḥ\nvaiṣṇava-sārvabhaumaḥ ṣrī-jagannāthāya te namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīla Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who is respected by the entire Vaiṣṇava community and who confirmed the discovery of the place where Lord Caitanya appeared.]\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.]\nnamo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te\nkṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ\n[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmātī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\npañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ bhakta-rūpa-svarūpakam\nbhaktāvatāraṁ bhaktākhyaṁ namāmi bhakta-śaktikam\n[I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional manifestation, devotional incarnation, pure devotee and devotional energy.]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, O ocean of mercy, O friend of the distressed and the source of creation, O master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\njayatāṁ suratau paṅgor mama manda-mater gate\nmat-sarvasva-padāmbhojau rādhā-madana-mohanau\n[Glory to the all-merciful Rādhā and Madana-mohana! I am lame and ill advised, yet They are my directors, and Their lotus feet are everything to me.]\ndīvyad-vṛndāraṇya-kalpa-drumādhaḥ\nśrīmad-ratnāgāra-siṁhāsana-sthau\nśrī-śrī-rādhā-śrīla-govinda-devau\npreṣṭhālībhiḥ sevyamānau smarāmi\n[In a temple of jewels in Vṛndāvana, underneath a desire tree, Śrī Śrī Rādhā-Govinda, served by Their most confidential associates, sit upon an effulgent throne. I offer my humble obeisances unto Them.]\nśrīmān rāsa-rasārambhī vaṁśī-vaṭa-taṭa-sthitaḥ\nkarṣan veṇu-svanair gopīr gopīnāthaḥśriye 'stu naḥ\n[Śrī Śrīla Gopīnātha, who originated the transcendental mellow of the rāsa dance, stands on the shore in Vaṁśīvaṭa and attracts the attention of the cowherd damsels with the sound of His celebrated flute. May they all confer upon us their benediction.]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devī praṇamāmi hari-priye\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[My dear Lord, and the spiritual energy of the Lord, kindly engage me in Your service. I am now embarrassed with this material service. Please engage me in Your service.]\nNow give up [pause] [japa]\n[break] Initiation…, initiation does not mean that it is a ceremony and it is finished. No. It is progressing. It is progressing just like education. It is progressing. So in the first beginning, ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12], just to cleanse oneself from the understanding of material identification, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa.\n[”’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nSo at least for one year chanting regularly, observing the rules and regulation, one comes to the platform of spiritual platform. And then, another initiation, this is called dīkṣā. That is also dīkṣā, that is first process. This dīkṣā, second process, is not very essential. The essential is to chant. In this age, there is no need of this second initiation. But those who are going to be recognized as properly initiated, so this second installment was introduced by Sanātana Gosvāmī. Dīkṣā-vidhānena dvijatvaṁ [Hari-bhakti-vilāsa 2.12], his twice birth he’s completed.\n[By chemical manipulation, bell metal is turned into gold when touched by mercury; similarly, when a person is properly initiated, he can acquire the qualities of a brāhmaṇa.]\nAnd so far men are concerned, they are offered the sacred thread. Not the woman. The idea is woman, every woman, is supposed to be married. Of course, in your country it is not very compulsory, not very essential. In India is still, but it is gradually declining. Unless a woman is married, his life is frustrated on his debt. Even one woman is diseased or something like that—nobody cares to marry such girl—then the system is that she marries one banana tree in order to get the certificate that she’s married.\nSo marriage is so much compulsory according to Vedic civilization for woman. Woman’s independence is never allowed by Vedic smṛti. Smṛti means regulation, Vedic regulation. Woman must be under the care of father so long she is not married, and then in her youthful age she must be under the care of the proper husband, and she must be under the care of elderly children in old age.\nNow you will see how much husband takes care of the wife, how much it is obliging. You will see from the history of Rāmāyaṇa. Rāma…, Lord Rāmacandra’s wife was kidnapped by Rāvaṇa. So it is not that the husband or like, “My one wife has gone; I can marry for the second time. There are many women I can…” No. He fought to the last, and He vanquished the whole family of Rāvaṇa to get out Sītā. This is husband’s responsibility.\nSo the idea spread here. So many women in this country say that “We are not going to be slave, slave of some man.” They say like that. India also there is some of these modern girls. One of my friend’s daughter, she was studying in M.A. and she was not willing to marry, so that my friend in my householder life, that friend called the daughter before me and he told me, “Abhay Babu,” that she, “she’s not willing to marry.” So I asked that girl, “Why you are not willing to marry? What is the reason?” “Oh, I’m not going to be a slave.”\nThis is also in India. But the śāstra does not allow that. It is not slavery, actually; it is grand protection. If the husband is nice, then wife’s position is very secure. Just like a king, and the woman whom the king marries, she becomes at once queen, without any endeavor, and she gets all the respect of the husband. Just see Rāmacandra. Rāmacandra was very young kṣatriya, fighter, everything. Sītā has no such record. But Sītā has got the same respect as Rāma—Sītā-Rāma. Now we have heard so many activities of Kṛṣṇa, nothing of Rādhārāṇī, but Rādhārāṇī is still as good as Kṛṣṇa.\nSo this combination, Vedic idea that woman must be under the… They have got three stages of life. First stage under the father, second stage under the husband. Therefore initiation, to the woman, there is no need of, I mean to say, sacred thread, because she’s considered to be the half body of her husband. She’s half-shareholder in everything of the husband; therefore there was no necessity.\nEven you’ll find in the picture of Rāmacandra and Sītā, Rāmacandra has got sacred thread but Sītā hasn’t got. That is the system. So this is Vedic system, that woman is given the mantra but not the sacred thread. Even she’s born of a brāhmaṇa father, there is no such system. No. In the Bhagavad-gītā you’ll find, strī-śūdra-dvijabandhūnāṁ SB 1.4.25].\n[Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he compiled the great historical narration called the Mahābhārata for women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.]\nmāṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya\nye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ\nstriyo śūdrā tathā vaiśyās\nte 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim\n[Bg. 9.32]\n[O son of Pṛthā, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth—women, vaiśyas [merchants], as well as śūdras [workers]—can approach the supreme destination.]\nFor… From becoming Kṛṣṇa consciousness there is no, I mean to say, deter, anything that can hamper for becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious. But so far this Vedic system is… And this offering of sacred thread, formerly in the Vedic age it was offered only to the brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, higher class, not to the śūdrās.\nSo at the present moment everyone is śūdrā. Then why the sacred thread is offered? No, the sacred thread is not offered to the śūdrā, it is offered to the highest brāhmaṇa in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And how? Because in India the caste system is by birth. But that is not recognized. So even one is not born in a brāhmaṇa family, a kṣatriya family, still Sanātana Gosvāmī says that by the process of initiation, any man can become a twice-born brāhmaṇa. How?\nyathā kāñcanatāṁ yāti\nkāṁsyaṁ rasa-vidhānataḥ\n[Hari-bhakti-vilāsa 2.12]\n[By chemical manipulation, bell metal is turned into gold when touched by mercury; similarly, when a person is properly initiated, he can acquire the qualities of a brāhmaṇa.]\nIf you can chemically manipulate the bell metal, then it becomes gold. It is chemical process. Similarly, by this purificatory process of…\n[aside: Try to sit down like that. You have to learn from him. No, your case is different.]\nSo the whole thing is purificatory process. We are pure soul. Somehow or other we are in contamination of, in this material world. Now we have to elevate from this fallen condition to our spiritual status; then we shall be eligible to enter into the spiritual kingdom. Just like—one example—that the oil and water, it never mixes. You have seen it? That if you take one bucketful of water and put some oil, it will not mix. But collect that oil and put with oil, and it will mix immediately.\nSimilarly, because we are spirit soul, in the material world we are unable to adjust, that…, so we always misadjustment. Nobody can be happy. This evening we were discussing this point with that boy, Joe, who came to tape-record. There were two one-and-a-half-hour conversations. He says that “We Americans, we have decided that there is no God. If there is God, He is dead.” And this is first-class rascaldom. God cannot be dead, and if anyone thinks like that, he’s fool number one. Bring anyone; I shall talk with him. I can challenge with him, and God is neither dead.\nSo this is the going-on misconception of life. Majority. “It is folly to be wise when ignorance is bliss.” So, majority people are godless, animal life. Out of that a small quantity of our society may, at least in this country, be struggling for becoming Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That doesn’t matter. That doesn’t matter. We don’t want… If somebody comes, that’s all right.\nMy Guru Mahārāja used to say, “If I can deliver one soul from the clutches of māyā, then my whole mission is successful.” Yes. So similarly, we are also trying to get out of this material… So whatever you are receiving as initiation from me, from my humble service, try to perform. Don’t neglect it; it is not very difficult. Try to follow. Make life successful. Never mind in whatever conditions you are, the mission should be to get out of the clutches of māyā.\ndaivī hy eṣā guṇa-mayī\nmama māyā duratyayā\nmām eva ye prapadyante\nmāyām etāṁ taranti te\n[Bg. 7.14]\n[This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.]\nThe open formula is that the…, to get out of the clutches of māyā is very, very, very, very, very, very difficult, but mām eva. Kṛṣṇa says, “One who surrenders unto Me becomes fully Kṛṣṇa conscious,”māyām etāṁ taranti te.\nSo that should be our business. We are a brahmacārī, a gṛhastha and vānaprastha, sannyāsa. So sannyāsa may not be accepted; that doesn’t matter. Those who are brahmacārīs, please follow the rules. If to remain as brahmacārī is disturbing, get yourself married; live peacefully, husband and wife. Of course for woman, there is no such rule for becoming brahmacārī, because every girl was compulsorily married by the father.\nBut anyway, if you can remain brahmacāriṇī that is very nice, very nice. But if not, get yourself married, live peacefully. Don’t be disturbed. Don’t be implicated. Remain always pure, because we are aiming to be promoted in the purest kingdom, spiritual kingdom. So we should always remember that, that we are making progress in a different line.\nSo conscious on Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is there. Kṛṣṇa is very kind. If anyone is serious and, I mean to…, good faith, and you love with Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa will guide. Kṛṣṇa is with you. Simply He wants to see that you are sincere, and everything will come. There is no difficulty.\nteṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ\nbhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam\n[Bg. 10.10]\n[To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.]\n“One who is engaged in the devotional service of Me in faith and love,” teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti…, buddhi-yogaṁ taṁ. In buddhi-yoga. The yoga system, but not haṭha-yoga—buddhi-yoga. Buddhi-yoga. The buddhi-yoga means this bhakti-yoga. This is very intelligent yoga. Why it is called buddhi-yoga? Buddhi means “intelligent.” Others, they are so much taking trouble exercising and pressing nose and so many other things, but still they are unsuccessful. Anything done intellectually is better.\nSo this is called buddhi-yoga. Bhakti-yoga, buddhi-yoga. Simply to take shelter of Kṛṣṇa, and everything is complete. Therefore it is called buddhi-yoga, very intelligent yoga. Buddhi-yoga dadāmi taṁ. Kṛṣṇa does not say that haṭha-yogaṁ dadāmi taṁ. Haṭha-yogaṁ—no. No haṭha-yoga. No jñāna-yoga. Buddhi-yoga dadāmi taṁ. That is Kṛṣṇa’s gift: buddhi-yoga. You’ll find this word in the Bhagavad-gītā. He never says that “I’ll give in jñāna-yogaṁ, karma-yogaṁ, dhyāna-yogaṁ or haṭha-yogaṁ,” or this yogaṁ or that yogaṁ.\nOnly Buddhi-yoga. And buddhi-yoga is bhakti-yoga. Why? That buddhi-yogaṁ dadāmi taṁ yena mām upayānti te. That “I’ll give in that intelligent yoga by which he can come to Me.” And what is that yoga by which one can go to Him? That is bhakti. That is in other places,\nbhaktyā mām abhijānāti\nyāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ\n[Bg. 18.55]\n[One can understand the Supreme Personality as He is only by devotional service. And when one is in full consciousness of the Supreme Lord by such devotion, he can enter into the kingdom of God.]\nSo buddhi-yogaṁor bhakti-yogaṁ, the same thing. Or “Those who are intelligent, they can take to this yoga system, bhakti-yoga, and by which one can approach Me.” It is declared in many places of the authoritative scripture, that there is… Now just like Kṛṣṇa says to Arjuna, “I am speaking to you this system of Bhagavad-gītā, yoga,” bhakto ’si, “because you are My devotee.”\nHe doesn’t say “Because you are warrior, you are kṣatriya, you are Hindu, you are Indian.” Not all these nonsense. He said, bhakto ’si: “Because you are My bhakta.” So bhakta, anyone can become bhakta. There is no question of becoming Indian, kṣatriya, brāhmaṇa, or this or that. Anyone can become bhakta. How anyone can become bhakta? That is also stated in Bhagavad-gītā:\nmāṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya\nye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ\n[Bg. 9.32]\n[O son of Pṛthā, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth—women, vaiśyas [merchants], as well as śūdras [workers]—can approach the supreme destination.]\n“Any living creature, born in any sinful family, doesn’t matter. If he takes My shelter,”te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim, “he also attains the highest perfection.”\nSo there is no such restriction. Everything is there spoken by Kṛṣṇa. So we are doing just according to the Bhagavad-gītā. Simply we have to know where these things are available. Execute this bhakti-yoga, this kīrtana and this mantra, and chanting, and never mind in whatever occupation you are engaged; that doesn’t matter. Be happy. I may be present or not present, the guidance is always there. So you can make progress very peacefully, nice. All right. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Why you stop?\n[devotees chant japa] [break]\nPrabhupāda\n: Distribute prasādam, and this ṭīkā. [devotees chanting japa] So now we have to make program for starting [laughs] [indistinct] policy.\nDevotee\n: Yes.\nPrabhupāda\n: Yes. Tomorrow just at five-thirty.\nDevotee\n: Should we speak about it tomorrow?\nPrabhupāda\n: Huh?\nDevotee\n: The program?\nPrabhupāda\n: Yes. After coming back, we make our program.\nDevotee\n: Okay.\nPrabhupāda\n: Now about the printing of Teachings, that must be immediately.\nDevotee\n: Yes, I’ll do that.\nPrabhupāda\n: If somebody wants to eat this banana, one can eat.\nDevotee\n: Yes.",
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"content": "\n Swamījī, how’s my new spiritual name spelled?\nPrabhupāda\n: Vaikuṇṭha, V-a-i-k-u-n-t-h-a.\n Vaikuṇṭha dāsa? Is that it?\nPrabhupāda\n: Yes. Vaikuṇṭha dāsa brahmacārī. Yes.\n Swamījī, could you tell me how to spell my name?\nPrabhupāda\n: Yes. M-a-d-h-a-v-i, Mādhavī. Latā, l-a-t-a.\nDevotee\n: Swami...\nPrabhupāda\n: Accha! Distribute it. Come on, eat. Everyone. No. I’ve taken. Everyone can take some, little, little. You can take, divide it. You’re not taking?\nDevotee\n: It’s solid.\nPrabhupāda\n: [laughs] Yes. Yes? Where is Annapūrṇā?\nSatsvarūpa\n: Outside.\nPrabhupāda\n: Outside?\nSatsvarūpa\n: The smoke is too much.\nPrabhupāda\n: What is the name of that boy in Montreal who… English boy?\nDevotee\n: Śivānanda?\nPrabhupāda\n: Śivānanda is English boy?\nDevotee\n: Oh, English boy?\nPrabhupāda\n: He has got… He has come from England?\nWoman Devotee\n: I think his name is Chris.\nPrabhupāda\n: Huh?\nWoman Devotee\n: I think his name is Chris.\nPrabhupāda\n: He’s there?\nWoman Devotee\n: I don’t know if he’s still there.\nPrabhupāda\n: Annapūrṇā, you’re not eating this banana? Accha. So Annapūrṇā, can you help in opening a branch in London? Huh?\nAnnapūrṇā\n: [indistinct]\nPrabhupāda\n: After Montreal I shall go to London, and you also. So make program like that. Then if it is favorable, then I shall call some of you there in London, set up a branch. Maybe Kṛṣṇa’s desire is like that.\nDevotee\n: Yes.\nPrabhupāda\n: And you are going... You are going to Germany?\nDevotee\n: Yes. That would be nice.\nDevotees\n: [offer obeisances]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\nHare Kṛṣṇa.\n[break] [japa]",
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"content": "\n [kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] Gaura-Premanandi. Hari Haribol. Thank you very much... [break]\n[41:08]\njñeyaḥ sa nitya-sannyāsī\nyo na dveṣṭi na kāṅkṣati\nnirdvandvo hi mahā-bāho\nsukhaṁ bandhāt pramucyate\n[Bg 5.3]\n[One who neither hates nor desires the fruits of his activities is known to be always renounced. Such a person, liberated from all dualities, easily overcomes material bondage and is completely liberated, O mighty-armed Arjuna.]\nJñeyeḥ, \"Just understand,\" sa. Sa means he. Who? Nitya-sannyāsī: \"That person is always in renounced order, not by dress, but by action. Always in renounced order,\" yo na dveṣṭi na kāṅkṣati, \"that person who does not hate, neither desires.\" Nitya-sannyāsī. The renounced order means that I renounce my material propensities. That is called renunciation. A living entity is living. He has got his different propensities. That is his natural position. If I say that \"You don't desire,\" no, that is not possible. I cannot desire, I don't desire... If I am desireless, then I am dead. What is my life? Desire... Somebody says that \"You become desireless.\" That is an impossible, sir. Desireless means don't desire materially. That is desireless.\nSo a person who has renounced everything for service of the Lord: sannyāsī. Sannyāsī means sat-nyāsī. Sat means the supreme eternal, and nyāsī means renounced. So sannyāsī... He is a sannyāsī who has renounced everything for the sake of the Lord. He's called sannyāsī. And he has no hatred for anything, because in his vision everything is meant for the service of the Lord. So therefore he cannot hate anything.\nSometimes it is advertised that \"Such-and-such saint, he does not touch money. He does not touch money. When money is offered to him, his hand becomes turned.\" But a Bhagavad-gītā does not say that. Bhagavad-gītā does not say that \"Because money is offered to you, therefore you shall turn your hand.\" Yes. Because a devotee's life is dedicated to the Supreme, so he also thinks that \"This money can be utilized for the service of the Lord.\"\nJust like there are many instances in India. In our line of disciplic succession, ācārya, there was one Rūpa Gosvāmī. Rūpa Gosvāmī, he was formerly the minister of a very big estate. Then he renounced his family life and joined Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu and became a mendicant. Now, of course, nowadays people are not so much fond of mendicant. But formerly, any householder, they would go to some sage, some saintly person, and offer some service, \"Sir, what can I serve for you?\" Oh, that was the system.\nSo one big merchant—he belonged to Sindhi, Sindh Province, which is now in Pakistan—he approached Rūpa Gosvāmī and offered that \"Swāmījī, I want to make some service. Please give me direction. How can I serve you?\" So he was a very big man. So Rūpa Gosvāmī asked him that \"Yes, if you have got money, then engage it in the service of Kṛṣṇa according to your position.\" So he built a very nice temple. That temple... If you go sometimes to India, that is a very remarkable temple.\nSo in this way, money is not bad. Ev... Nothing is bad. Anything created by God, nothing is bad. But if it is employed in the service of the Lord. Otherwise, it is bad. So for a sannyāsī who has dedicated his life for the service of the Lord, he, he does not hate anything. He can... He knows the art how to employ anything in the service of the Lord. Therefore he does not hate anything. Na dveṣṭi.\nAnd na kāṅkṣati. Na kāṅkṣati means he does not desire any money for his personal account. That is the significance. If you offer to a devotee who has renounced his life for the service of the Lord millions of dollars, he can engage. He knows the art how to engage millions of dollars in the service of the Lord, but not a farthing for his own comfort. Not a farthing for his own comfort. Na kāṅkṣati. Na dveṣṭi na kāṅkṣati. He does not hate money. Because he knows that money is a strength. By this strength, the service of the Lord can be advanced in so many ways.\nSo that Rūpa Gosvāmī made two verses for our guidance. For our guidance he made two verses, very nice verses.\nanāsaktasya viṣayān\nyathārham upayuñjataḥ\nnirbandhaḥ kṛṣṇa-sambandhe\nyuktaṁ vairāgyam ucyate\n[Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.255]\n[When one is not attached to anything but at the same time accepts anything in relation to Kṛṣṇa, one is rightly situated above possessiveness. On the other hand, one who rejects everything without knowledge of its relationship to Kṛṣṇa is not as complete in his renunciation.]\nHe says that viṣaya... Viṣaya means enjoyable things. In the material world, what we want to enjoy, that is called viṣaya. So anāsaktasya viṣayān. So far we have got this body, we have to accept not for sense gratification, but for maintenance. So anāsaktasya, without being attached, we may accept the necessities of our bodily requirements, yathārham, as far as possible, as much as I want for maintaining the body and soul together. In this way, if we live. But everything dedicated to the Supreme Lord, that is the highest standard of renounced.\nAnd another, other side he explains that, that the things... Phalgu-vairāgyaṁ kathyate. Nirbandhaḥ. The idea is... I exactly forgot the verse, but it is stated like this, that a person who is trying to renounce this world without knowing that everything can be engaged in the service of the Lord, and he's renouncing, he is..., his renunciation is not first grade. His renunciation is not first grade. Why?\nNow, what do you mean by renunciation? Suppose I am in the renounced order of life. What I have renounced? Oh, you are..., you have got clothing; I have got also clothing. It may be less costly. Or you are living in some room; oh, I am also living in some room. So what is the difference between you and me? Renunciation. Suppose a mendicant becomes..., he has renounced everything. In India you'll find, simply a loincloth he's wearing, even naked body. Sometimes, they are naked.\nSo Rūpa Gosvāmī says that the monkey, monkey is completely naked, and he eats fruit. Markaṭa-vairāgya [Cc Madhya 16.238]. \n[You should not make yourself a showbottle devotee and become a false renunciant. For the time being, enjoy the material world in a befitting way and do not become attached to it.]\nMarkaṭa-vairāgya..., mendicantism just like the monkey. He is... He is living in a jungle. Suppose a sage or saintly person goes to the jungle. So monkey is there in the jungle. Oh, he has renounced. He has no clothing. He's naked. And he eats also only fruits. Just like the sages also eat only fruit. So these are not qualification, simply eating fruit or renouncing. The real qualification is that how much one is engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, in the service of the Lord. That is the qualification. Otherwise, if I am in renounced, I am naked, I eat..., only eat fruit, and I live in jungle, and I have got many lady monkeys with me, oh, what sort of renouncement that is? That is not... That is called \"monkey renouncement.\"\nSo we don't want monkey renouncement; we want real renouncement. We don't use anything for my personal comfort; everything for Kṛṣṇa. That is called renouncement: not a single farthing for my personal comfort, but millions of dollars for Kṛṣṇa. Bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram [Bg 5.29].\n[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]\nHe is the only enjoyer. So this is called renouncement. Anyone who has renounced everything...\nTherefore Lord Caitanya has recommended the renouncement of the gopīs as the highest renouncement. Gopīs. The gopīs in Vṛndāvana... When Kṛṣṇa was present, He was so attractive. Now, why? Because He was said... Yesterday I explained that the God's one qualification is that He has all the beauty. Aiśvaryasya samagrasya vīryasya yaśasaḥ śriyaḥ [Viṣṇu Purāṇa 6.5.47]. Śriyaḥ means beauty.\n[Full wealth, strength, fame, beauty, knowledge and renunciation—these are the six opulences of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.]\nSo when He was sixteen years old, so in village He had many friends, girlfriends, who were of the same age. But in India the girls are married earlier. In those days also, they were married at the age of twelve years, thirteen years. But Kṛṣṇa was only sixteen years. So... But He was playing flute. His playing flute was so nice that even at night, when He was playing flute, all those girls, they'll leave their husband and father and mother and everything; they'll come at once to Kṛṣṇa. So this is an example how they don't care for anything for [but] Kṛṣṇa.\nSo that is the life. Therefore... Of course, that is not material association. That can be understood when one is a little advanced in the science of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the love between the gopīs and Kṛṣṇa. That is not ordinary thing. But anyway, that... They did not care anything. So that is renouncement. The father is asking, \"Oh, where you are going?\" The husband is asking, \"Where you are going?\" The Mother is... \"No, Kṛṣṇa's flute is there.\"\nSo Lord Caitanya recommended, ramya kaścid upāsanā vraja-vadhu-varga-vīrya-kalpita [Caitanya-mañjusā]:\n[The Supreme Personality of Godhead, the son of Nanda Mahārāja, is to be worshiped along with His transcendental abode, Vṛndāvana. The most pleasing form of worship for the Lord is that which was performed by the gopīs of Vṛndāvaṇa. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the spotless authority on everything, and pure love of God is the ultimate goal of life for all men. These statements, for which we have the highest regard, are the opinion of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu.]\n\"There is no higher type of worship than it was done by the gopīs of the Lord.\" They were not very learned. They were ordinary village girls. They were not educated. They were not Vedāntists, philosophers. But they had the unlimited ecstasy and love for Kṛṣṇa. That is required. That is called sannyāsa. Everything. We should, twenty-four hours, we should think in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, how we can advance the cause of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is renouncement. That is the first-class renouncement, how to engage people. The people are suffering.\nLord Caitanya is worshiped by the same Rūpa Gosvāmī,\nnamo mahā-vadānyāya\nkṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te\nkṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-\nnāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ\n[Cc Madhya 19.53]\n[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\nThey said, \"Lord Caitanya, You are the most munificent person, personality, because You are distributing kṛṣṇa-prema, love of Kṛṣṇa, love of Kṛṣṇa, and this love of Kṛṣṇa, distribution of love of Kṛṣṇa by You, means that You are Kṛṣṇa Himself.\"\nBecause Kṛṣṇa, when He appeared, when He spoke Bhagavad-gītā and He said, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg 18.66]:\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\n\"You give up all engagements; just become under My shelter. I give you protection,\" ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi, some people misunderstood. Even in Dr. Radhakrishnan's book, you'll find, he says, \"Oh, not to Kṛṣṇa.\" You see? Even great scholars make mistake. The clear indication is that sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekam... [Bg 18.66]. Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa says that \"Just surrender unto Me,\" and the scholar says, \"Oh, this surrender is not to Kṛṣṇa.\" Just see. So the surrender to Kṛṣṇa and this Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the highest perfectional stage of life. Highest perfectional stage of... One who has tasted it, oh, he cannot be, I mean to say, thinking of anything else.\nNirdvandvo hi mahā-bāho sukhaṁ bandhāt pramucyate\n[Bg 5.3].\n[One who neither hates nor desires the fruits of his activities is known to be always renounced. Such a person, liberated from all dualities, easily overcomes material bondage and is completely liberated, O mighty-armed Arjuna.]\nOne who has attained such consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he becomes nirdvandva. Nirdvandva means he has no duality because he sees everything in Kṛṣṇa relationship. He sees everything. Actually, everything is the manifestation of Kṛṣṇa's energy. So highest stage, in the highest stage of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the person sees everything in relationship with Kṛṣṇa. Nirdvandvo hi mahā-bāho sukhaṁ bandhāt pramucyate. And if we are fortunate enough to come to that stage of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then very easily and very happily we'll become liberated from this entanglement of material life. Only we have to develop that stage of ecstasy and love for Kṛṣṇa. That's all.\nsāṅkhya-yogau pṛthag bālāḥ\npravadanti na paṇḍitāḥ\nekam apy āsthitaḥ samyag\nubhayor vindate phalam\n[Bg 5.4]\n[Only the ignorant speak of karma-yoga and devotional service as being different from the analytical study of the material world [sāṅkhya]. Those who are actually learned say that he who applies himself well to one of these\npaths achieves the results of both.]\nNow Arjuna's question was that \"You are engaging me sometimes in karma-yoga and sometimes in sannyāsa. So what is the real thing that You want me to do?\" So Kṛṣṇa replies here that sāṅkhya-yogau pṛthag bālāḥ pravadanti na paṇḍitāḥ. Sāṅkhya-yoga. Sāṅkhya-yoga... Perhaps some of you or most of you know what is sāṅkhya-yoga, metaphysics, by Kapila, sāṅkhya-yoga. Sāṅkhya-yoga means analytical study of these material elements.\nNow, what is the use of analytical study of this material world? Simply understanding that this material world is working in twenty-four elements. The eleven senses: ten senses, five working senses and five knowledge-acquiring senses, and the mind. Eleven. Eleven elements. And pañca-mahā-bhūta. Pañca-mahā-bhūta means the material elements just like earth, water, fire, air and ether. Eleven and five, it becomes sixteen.\nThen subtle elements, just like manaḥ, buddhiḥ, ahaṅkāra: mind, intelligence and false ego. False ego. So sixteen and three. Nineteen. And five, I mean to say, sense objects. Sense objects means rūpa, form; rasa, taste; form, taste, rūpa, rasa, gandha, smell; then rūpa, rasa, gandha, śabda, sound, sound. You have got ear. You require sound to hear. In this way, the sāṅkhya-yoga, they have analyzed the whole material world into twenty-four elements. That is sāṅkhya-yoga.\nNow suppose you study very analytically these twenty-four elements. And what is the idea of studying these elemental..., analytical study of this material world? Because we have to find out what is the main principle which is working behind these twenty-four elements. What is the main principle? Now, suppose I have got these senses, and suppose there are material elements—earth, water, fire—all these things are there. But are they sufficient by themselves? No. They are not sufficient by themselves. Unless that spirit soul is there, so they are lying down.\nJust take for example this land of America. It was lying, oh, vast land. Still you have got many lands vacant. So they are lying vacant. And so when the Europeans they came here, they gradually developed. Now they nice. So simply these material elements has no value. Unless there is spiritual touch, there is no value.\nSo study of..., analytical study of this material world, they are not sufficient by themselves. You have to find out the spiritual power behind it. So sannyāsa means, generally, the sannyāsa, those who have taken up the renounced order of life, they search after the Supreme Truth and make an analytical study of this material world. That is called sāṅkhya-yoga.\nKṛṣṇa says, sāṅkhya-yoga... Sāṅkhya and yoga. And yoga means direct connection with the Lord. Direct connection with the Lord. Just like in the darkness. In dark, in the darkness, you cannot see anything. Suppose your room is closed and dark. You cannot see anything. But when you come to the light, you come to the sunlight, then you can see yourself and everything very nicely. So yoga, this word yoga, means to come in direct touch with the absolute light or Absolute Truth. That is called yoga.\nSo by analytical, analytical study of this material world, that is not sufficient. Unless you come in direct touch with the Supreme Absolute Truth, this knowledge has no value. This knowledge has no value. If you want, you can study anything, any straw in the street. You can make a very analytical study of the straw. But that sort of knowledge has no value unless you come to the point of our spiritual existence.\nSo sāṅkh... So Kṛṣṇa says... The idea of sāṅkhya-yoga, analytical study of this material world, means you have to find out the spiritual existence. And that spiritual existence you can have when you directly come to the spiritual life. So direct process is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa is just like the sun.\nkṛṣṇa—sūrya-sama, māyā haya andhakāra\nyāhāṅ kṛṣṇa tāhāṅ nāhi māyāra adhikāra\n[Cc Madhya 22.31]\n[Kṛṣṇa is compared to sunshine, and māyā is compared to darkness. Wherever there is sunshine, there cannot be darkness. As soon as one takes to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the darkness of illusion (the influence of the external energy) will immediately vanish.]\nThe idea is just like the sun. In the sun there is no darkness. You cannot conceive any darkness in the sun. Similarly Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa is just like the sun. If you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, if you come in touch with Kṛṣṇa, then there is no possibility of ignorance. There is no possibility of ignorance. You will learn everything.\nAs we have repeatedly said that Kṛṣṇa says, teṣām...,\nteṣām evānukampārtham\naham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥ\nnāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-stho\njñāna-dīpena bhāsvatā\n[Bg 10.11]\n[Out of compassion for them, I, dwelling in their hearts, destroy with the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance.]\nKṛṣṇa says. Kṛṣṇa is within yourself. Kṛṣṇa is without and within. So without, we cannot see, but within, we can see, provided we are little advanced in the understanding that there is Supersoul, presentation of Kṛṣṇa. So Kṛṣṇa says that teṣām eva anukampārtham. Those who are actually seeking after becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious... Within yourself, He sees, \"Oh, here is a person now who is anxious.\" So He gives you intelligence. Buddhi-yogaṁ dadāmi tam: \"I give him intelligence how he can approach Me, how he can excel himself by this Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" The help will come from within. And so far ignorance is concerned, that will be vanquished within no time.\nTeṣām eva aham anukampārtham: \"for special favor.\" Kṛṣṇa has got special favor for persons who are trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. He's God. He's God. He's equal to everyone. That you'll find in the Bhagavad-gītā. Samo 'haṁ sarva-bhūteṣu na me dveṣyo 'sti na priyaḥ [Bg 9.29].\n[I envy no one, nor am I partial to anyone. I am equal to all. But whoever renders service unto Me in devotion is a friend, is in Me, and I am also a friend to him.]\nJust like a rich man. A rich man, he has got many, many, many thousands of people to maintain. Suppose he has got workshop, many, many thousands of workers. So he's looking after the interest of everyone. That's all right. But those who are his personal sons and dependents, oh, he has got special favor for them.\nSimilarly, Kṛṣṇa, although He is equal to everyone, still, those who are especially trying to be connected with Him... Because the whole thing is, whole material manifestation, is meant for giving us a chance to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. So one who is trying to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, He has got special favor.\n[aside:] I'll answer later on.\nHe has got special favor.\nSo sāṅkhya-yogau pṛthag bālāḥ pravadanti na paṇḍitāḥ\n[Bg 5.4].\n[Only the ignorant speak of karma-yoga and devotional service as being different from the analytical study of the material world [sāṅkhya]. Those who are actually learned say that he who applies himself well to one of these paths achieves the results of both.]\nSo any, any type of spiritual realization, they are different forms. \"You are..., you are Hindu? Oh, I am, I am Christian.\" \"Oh, you are Christian? I am Muhammadan.\" So these conception, that \"I am different from you,\" that is not for the learned. The learned one is hankering after the Supreme Truth. Never mind, either you go through Bible, or go through Bhagavad-gītā, or go through this Koran, that doesn't matter. What is the aim of your life? If your aim of life is to understand the Absolute Truth, then there is no difference. But if your aim is something else, then you'll find some difference from Bhagavad-gītā to Bible, Bible to Koran, Koran to something else. So Kṛṣṇa says that sāṅkhya-yoga. Either you take sāṅkhya-yoga or sāṅkhya or this karma-yoga, anything, there is no difference. Because the..., everything is trying to give you the ultimate Absolute Truth.\nSo if you have caught up such Absolute Truth, then there you'll find no difference. Paṇḍitāḥ. Paṇḍitāḥ means learned. They do not find. But the..., those who are not learned, they find difference. Ekam apy āsthitaḥ samyag ubhayor vindate phalam. Those who are learned, he can be situated in any form of realization and he can realize soul or... It is not... Never a learned man will say that \"In this process, there is no self-realization. In this process there is spiritual...\" No. In every process, there is. It may be in a higher standard or in a lower standard.\nJust like I have many times [said] that two plus two equal to four, that is fact; that is a mathematical truth. Now, this two plus two, in the infant class, the two plus two equal to four is the same, and higher mathematics and in the M.A. class, the student is studying higher mathematics, astronomy, astrology, there also, the two plus two equal to four is the truth. But the infant class, the study of mathematics in the infant class and the study of mathematics in the M.A. class, there is difference. There is difference. There is a... There is a story that a student...\n[aside:] Why it is not open? It is not open?",
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"content": "\n All right. People may come in. One student, he was studying trigonometry. After passing his matriculation, in the college he was studying. So he was reading, \"Let A and B, a straight line, and C, another straight line.\" So just like he was reading. So his mother thought, \"Oh, my son has again begun A-B-C.\" You see? So he was asking..., she was asking his [her] son, \"Oh, my dear son, you have passed your school ending examination, you have again begun A-B-C-D? What is that?\" That means she, she's not so intelligent. She thought that \"My son has begun again A-B-C-D from the infant class.\" No. It is higher mathematics. The same A-B-C-D is there, but that is higher mathematics.\nSimilarly, the Truth, Absolute Truth, is always the same. But that Absolute Truth is expressed according to the different situation. The position of certain scripture in certain country in certain circumstances may be described in a certain particular way, but the aim is the same. Aim is the same. So those who are interested in higher mathematics, they take to higher mathematics. Or those who have developed themselves from infant class. But the truth, \"two plus two equal to four,\" that does not any circumsta..., become false. That is the truth.\nSo ekam apy āsthitaḥ samyag. If one is intelligent enough, if he is really learned, so he can be situated in any place, and if he follows... Just this morning we were reading, yaḥ śāstra-vidhim utsṛjya [Bg 16.23].\n[But he who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination.]\nIf he follows the rules and regulations and, uh, then it is sure that he will come to that stage. But you should not be rigid. Suppose I have come to certain stage, \"Oh, therefore I'll take it as final.\" No. There is no improvement. You have to seek out if there is more and more knowledge beyond this. Just like the higher mathematics and mathematics in the infant class.\nyat sāṅkhyaiḥ prāpyate sthānaṁ\ntad yogair api gamyate\n[Bg 5.5]\n[One who knows that the position reached by means of renunciation can also be attained by works in devotional service and who therefore sees that the path of works and the path of renunciation are one, sees things as they are.]\nNow, Kṛṣṇa is stressing that the ultimate goal of life which you can achieve by analytical study and metaphysics and philosophy, the same place you can also reach by direct Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Not that you have to wait. This is the direct means. It is specially suitable for this age. How many people, they are fit for studying philosophy? Very few. It requires very learned knowledge to understand philosophical truth.\nTherefore Lord Caitanya is... He said, kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā [Cc Ādi 17.21]:\n[In this Age of Kali there is no other means, no other means, no other means for self-realization than chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name of Lord Hari.]\n\"In this age, there is no other way, no other way, no other way than this particular way of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare.\" \"No other way, no other way, no other way\" means, according to Vedic system, there are different types of spiritual realization in different ages.\nJust like in the... Kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇum. Kṛte means in the Satya-yuga, when people used to live for millions of years. At that time it is recommended that they should take to meditation for self-realization. Then in the next age... Kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇuṁ tretāyāṁ yajato makhaiḥ [SB 12.3.52].\n[Whatever result was obtained in Satya-yuga by meditating on Viṣṇu, in Tretā-yuga by performing sacrifices, and in Dvāpara-yuga by serving the Lord's lotus feet can be obtained in Kali-yuga simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra.]\nAnd the next age it is recommended that they should sacrifice. They should perform costly sacrifice. But that is not possible also.\nAnd in the Dvāpara-yuga, dvāpare paricaryāyām. The temple worship was introduced in the Dvāpara-yuga. Kalau tad dhari-kīrtanāt. And in the, this age, it is called Kali-yuga, the age of quarrel and fight, in this age the only means is hari-kīrtana. If you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, so all enemies and friends, and learned and fools, rich and poor, man, woman, black, white, yellow, oh, everyone can take part. There is no distinction. There is no distinction, and you derive the same profit. That is recommended.\nSo here also, Kṛṣṇa says, ekaṁ sāṅkhyaṁ ca yogaṁ ca yaḥ paśyati sa paśyati [Bg 5.5]. So therefore we have to accept the favorable circumstances. In this age, in this difficult age, if we find the same result by being Kṛṣṇa conscious and chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare, then I..., we should take advantage of it. Why should we stick to certain other principles? That is also good. That's all right. But this is favorable in the present circumstances. That is the point.\nsannyāsas tu mahā-bāho\nduḥkham āptum ayogataḥ\nyoga-yukto munir brahma\nna cireṇādhigacchati\n[Bg 5.6]\n[Unless one is engaged in the devotional service of the Lord, mere renunciation of activities cannot make one happy. The sages, purified by works of devotion, achieve the Supreme without delay.]\nSannyāsa... Suppose if you simply renounce the world for your certain difficulty: \"The worldly life, household life, is very difficult to maintain. Now let, let me become a sannyāsī. I'll go door to door and beg and I'll have...\"\n[loud voice in background]",
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"content": "\n No. Just now you can ask.",
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"content": "\n Wait a minute, man. Wait.\n[quarrel goes on]",
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"content": "\n Why you interfere just now? We have got question time.",
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"content": "\n Let the man finish.\n[loud quarrel going on]\n I just have one question, please. How long is an individual allowed to go on with soul? What if he's going towards the [indistinct] without any type of thought? Why? How long?",
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"content": "\n Well, I am here to learn.",
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"content": "\n All right. I'm very glad that you are serious, but please wait. Have some patience. Because we have not finished. As soon as we finish now, after five minutes, ten minutes, I shall attend to your questions. Don't be impatient. Sit down. So Kṛṣṇa says that,\nsannyāsas tu mahā-bāho\nduḥkham āptum ayogataḥ\nyoga-yukto munir brahma\nna cireṇādhigacchati\n[Bg 5.6]\n[Unless one is engaged in the devotional service of the Lord, mere renunciation of activities cannot make one happy. The sages, purified by works of devotion, achieve the Supreme without delay.]\nSannyāsa, simply by renouncing this world, if you do not find out the Absolute Truth, then it is simply accepting tribulation voluntarily. Because suppose I give up my family life. Anyone is comfortable at family life, but suppose he leaves such family life and takes this life of mendicant—it is not very comfortable. But why shall I accept this position if I have no idea of the Absolute Truth? That is it. So sannyāsas tu mahā-bāho duḥkham āptum. So if you don't find the Absolute Truth, then it is simply meant for accepting miseries. Miseries.\nAnd yoga-yukto munir brahma na cireṇādhigacchati. But one who is dovetailed with Kṛṣṇa consciousness, even he is at home... It was particularly said to Arjuna that \"You are thinking that you are..., you'll not fight. Better you are thinking that you shall beg instead of killing your kinsmen. You do not want kingdom. But that is not a practical proposition. You, you, you just try to understand why you have to fight, what is the cause.\" That means He was giving hint that \"You'll have to fight for Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then you'll get happiness. Simply by leaving, simply by becoming mendicant, it will not help you.\"\nyoga-yukto viśuddhātmā\nvijitātmā jitendriyaḥ\nsarva-bhūtātma-bhūtātmā\nkurvann api na lipyate\n[Bg 5.7]\n[One who works in devotion, who is a pure soul, and who controls his mind and senses, is dear to everyone, and everyone is dear to him. Though always working, such a man is never entangled.]\nAll right. We shall... This gentleman is impatient. We shall stop here. You see. Now, what is your question, kindly, sir?",
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"content": "\n [question goes on for a long time—indistinct and practically unintelligible] \"I think, therefore I am.\"",
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"content": "\n I also know that Taoism and Hinduism, Islam, Judaism attempted to explain the whys and wherefores of my particular [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n We were taken to a small mandira called Raghunātha temple in old Delhi, right by Delhi [indistinct], and we stayed there for nearly one month[?].",
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"content": "\n So was that all right? No.",
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"content": "\n It is not first class, no.",
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"content": "\n Second class or third class?",
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"content": "\n Between second and third.",
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"content": "\n Intermediate.",
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"content": "\n Now Gurudāsa agrees third class.",
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"content": "\n Hmm. Where it is?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]\n It is on outskirts of Delhi, but very reputable.",
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"content": "\n Oh.",
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"content": "\n Very much respected [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n International Academy. It is near [indistinct] Road?",
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"content": "\n I don't know, Śrīla Prabhupāda.",
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"content": "\n What is the address? Somebody knows? Eh? Where is Girirāja? He is not yet prepared? [door opens and closes] Acchā. [Hindi] [break]\ndeha-vāg-buddhijaṁ dhīrā\ndharmajñāḥ śraddhayānvitāḥ\nkṣipanty aghaṁ mahad api\nveṇu-gulmam ivānalaḥ\n[SB 6.1.14]\nSo persons who observe the principles of tapasya, austerities; brahmācārya, celibacy; controlling the mind; controlling the senses—these are practiced—this is called yoga system. Then, mahad api agham: even he is subjected to the resultant action of great sinful life, he can vanquish it. The example is given just like to set fire in the field, and all the dry plants and grasses immediately become burned. So by austerity, tapasya, brahmācārya, celibacy, these regulative principles can burn out the sinful reactions—not by the root.\nThe example is given the dry vegetables or plants, they are burned from outside, but the root remains. The root is not burned. And the root remaining within the earth, as soon as there is favorable condition—there is some rain—again they come out. In other words, by tapasya, by austerity, by celibacy one can superficially get out of the sinful reaction, but because it is not rooted out, as soon as there is some opportunity, favorable conditions, again they come out.\nTherefore Śukadeva Gosvāmī says,\nkecit kevalayā bhaktyā\nvāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ\naghaṁ dhunvanti kārtsnyena\nnīhāram iva bhāskaraḥ\n[SB 6.1.15]\nHe is giving another example: nīhāram iva bhāskaraḥ. Fog, when there is big fog that you cannot see in front of you anyone, but as soon as there is sunlight the fog immediately disappears. Similarly, agham dhunvanti. Kecit kevalaya bhaktya vasudeva parayanaḥ [SB 6.1.15]. Simply by becoming devotee of Kṛṣṇa, Vāsudeva, one can immediately vanquish all sinful reaction. Just like the sun causes disappearance of the fog without any extra effort. You take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness sincerely, seriously, then all the past reaction of your sinful activities will be vanquished.\nNow there are two kinds of vanquishing: one by setting fire on the dry plants, and the rising of the sun and fog, the fog disappearing. Again in the presence of sun there is no possibility of appearance of fog. That is not possible. But the dry plants burnt out, as soon as there is rainfall, it again come out.\nSo by bhakti, by devotional service, one can completely root out the causes of sinful life. Not by otherwise. It is not possible.\nkecit kevalayā bhaktyā\nvāsudeva parāyaṇāḥ\naghaṁ dhunvanti kārtsnyena\nnīhāram iva bhāskaraḥ\n[SB 6.1.15]\nna tathā hy aghavān rājan\npūyeta tapa-ādibhiḥ\nyathā kṛṣṇārpita-prāṇas\ntat-puruṣa-niṣevayā\n[SB 6.1.16]\n[door opens] [aside:] Yes, come in. Aiye.\nTherefore Śukadeva Gosvāmī comments, na tathā hy aghavān rājan pūyeta tapa-ādibhiḥ. Tapasya, austerity; brahmācārya, celibacy; controlling the mind; controlling the senses—they are also recommended, but they are not as strong means as devotional service.\nNa tathā hy aghavān rājan pūyeta tapa-ādhibhiḥ. That aghavān, those who are sinful persons, they cannot become so much purified by observing austerity, penances, celibacy, as one can become completely free from sinful reaction by becoming devotee. Yathā kṛṣṇārpita-prāṇas tat-puruṣa-niṣevayā.\nOne who has dedicated his life to Kṛṣṇa, kṛṣṇārpita prāṇa... Prāṇa means life, and arpita means dedicated unto Kṛṣṇa. Or kṛṣṇārpita, two things: one to dedicate his life to Kṛṣṇa, and at the same time, tat-puruṣa-niṣevayā. Tat puruṣa means the spiritual master who is a bona fide devotee of Kṛṣṇa. By serving him, niṣevayā. \nGuru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpā. We have to acquire two kinds of benediction: one from Kṛṣṇa and one from the spiritual master. By serving the spiritual master we get the mercy of Kṛṣṇa. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo **. By serving the spiritual master we please Kṛṣṇa. We cannot please Kṛṣṇa directly. This is nonsense. It is not possible. Just like we cannot approach any big man without going through his secretary. Similarly, we cannot approach directly Kṛṣṇa without going through His bona fide representative. Tat-puruṣa-niṣevayā.\nBhakti svapalpy pumarpi... [reads commentary of Śrīdhara Swami] Tat-puruṣa-niṣevaya. Kṛṣṇa arpita prāṇa jñena. Then again he says, sadhrīcīno hy ayaṁ loke panthāḥ kṣemo akuto-bhayaḥ. Therefore this process of devotional service is without any danger, akuto-bhayaḥ. Akuto-bhayaḥ means without any fearfulness. You can go expressly[?].\nJust like a child taking shelter of his father, catching the hand of his father, crosses the street without any fear. There is no cause of fear. He knows, \"My father is there.\" Similarly, by accepting the process of devotional service... So these things they do not consider, they do not....\nNow yesterday the two boys, medical boys, they were arguing, \"Why not other way?\" Other ways are not so safe. Any other way is—jñāna-mārga, yoga-mārga, karma-mārga—they are not safe. Exactly the same way: prāyaścitta, atonement. They are not safe. The only safest way is bhakti-mārga.\nsadhrīcīno hy ayaṁ loke\npanthāḥ kṣemo 'kuto-bhayaḥ\nsuśīlāḥ sādhavo yatra\nnārāyaṇa-parāyaṇāḥ\n[SB 6.1.17]\nNārāyaṇa-parāyaṇāḥ. Those who are devotees of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, automatically they are suśīlāḥ, their characters are very nice, suśīlāḥ. Sādhava: and they are actually saintly persons. Others cannot be accepted, because they have got chance of falling down. But those who are devotees, they cannot fall. Kṛṣṇa will protect them. Suśīlāḥ sādhavo yatra nārāyaṇa-parāyaṇāḥ.\nprāyaścittāni cīrṇāni\nnārāyaṇa-parāṅmukham\nna niṣpunanti rājendra\nsurā-kumbham ivāpagāḥ\n[SB 6.1.18]\nPrāyaścittāni, the process of atonement or the process of austerity, penance, they are not safe. Kiṁ na nārāyaṇa-parāṅmukham. They are not safe in this sense: because they are nārāyaṇa-parāṅmukham. Parāṅmukham: devoid of devotional service. They are thinking by this practice of self-realization process, austerities, they'll be safe. But there is no sense of devotional service, such persons are not safe. Prāyaścittāni cīrṇāni nārāyaṇa-parāṅmukham, na niṣpunanti. Therefore they are not completely freed from the contamination.\nThe example is given, na niṣpunanti rājendra surā-kumbham ivāpagāḥ. Just like the pot which contains wine, they are even washed by the river they are not accepted, they are not purified. In India the process is, which is still, that big earthen pot which contains wine, they are thrown into the river. But nobody touches, although it is washed very nicely. Nowadays the situation is different. Formerly, anything which contained wine, it is never purified. It is never to be touched. Surā-kumbham ivāpagāḥ.\nsakṛn manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor\nniveśitaṁ tad-guṇa-rāgi yair iha\nna te yamaṁ pāśa-bhṛtaś ca tad-bhaṭān\nsvapne 'pi paśyanti hi cīrṇa niṣkṛtāḥ\n[SB 6.1.19]\nŚrīla Śrīdhara Swami says, tad daiva suśīlāḥ kṛpalavaḥ sādhavaḥ niṣkāma. Suśīlāḥ means those who have received the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, suśīlāḥ, kṛpalavaḥ, or those who can bestow benediction to others, suśīlāḥ. Sādhava. Who are sādhava, sādhu? Niṣkāma, those who have no desire for material enjoyment. That is..., he is called sādhu. And that niṣkāma means those who are devotee. Without being devotee, nobody can be niṣkāma, without any desires. Without any desires... Desire there must be. We cannot subdue our desires, because we are living entities. Desire must be there. But desire for sense gratification has to be given up. That is called desireless. Otherwise it is not possible to become desireless. Desire must be there.\nSo sādhava. Sādhava, Śrīdhara Swami is giving note, niṣkāma, those who have no desire. So this desire..., niṣkāma means those who have no desire for sense gratification. They are sādhu. And who are they? Devotees. Akāma. Their other name is akāma. They have no desires. Personally they have no desires. Their only business is how to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. That is their only desire. That is natural. Because we are eternally servants of Kṛṣṇa, or God, our desire should be how to please God, how to please Kṛṣṇa. Just like obedient servant, sincere servant, they are always waiting for the order of the master, and they try how to please him, how to make him happy.\nOf course, this is not possible in this material world. Material world nobody is servant of anybody. Everyone wants to be master of another. Actually he does not serve anyone. He serves because he gets some money. So as soon as the money payment is stopped, immediately servant becomes disobedient. Therefore there is no service in the material world. It is exchange of money.\nThe service is niṣkāma. That is brāhmaṇa, devotee. They do not expect anything from the Personality of Godhead. They want simply His satisfaction. Sādhava niṣkāmān yatra yasmin mārge. Therefore we have to follow mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186], great personality, the path of the great personalities. The great personalities means the devotees. We have to follow the path of the devotees.\n[Sanskrit] Śrīdhara Swami says that bhakti mārga, the path of devotion, is immune from all kinds of fearfulness because jñāna-mārga, jñāna mārga, the path of knowledge, is full of difficulties. Because I am trying myself, I have no protector. I do not know, if I am in danger, who will give me protection. Jñānīs, they try to understand the Absolute Truth by dint of their knowledge. So Śrīdhara Swami says they are atahaya. Atahaya means without any protection. If they make any mistake...\nJust like a little student they are learning something, but there is protection of the teacher. As soon as he commits a mistake, immediately the teacher rectifies: \"My dear boy, do like this.\" But anyone who has no teacher, no protector, simply trying himself, if he commits any mistake there is nobody protecting him. Therefore jñāna-mārga, the path of knowledge, is risky.\nSimilarly, the path of karma is also risky. Mataraka[?]. If you prosecute the path of karma, there is envy between the karmīs. If you become greater than me in execution of your fruitive activities, I become envious of you: \"Oh, this man is making so much progress in business or in some other way, in practice. I could not do.\" So I become envious. Similarly, if I advance, my friend becomes envious. So karma-mārga is the path of enviousness. Therefore Śrīmad-Bhāgavata says paramo nirmatsarāṇām [SB 1.1.2]. The Bhāgavata is meant for persons who are absolutely free from enviousness.\nSo both paths, karma-mārga, jñāna-mārga, they are not very safe. So in Bhagavad-gītā you will find in the Seventh Chapter, asaṁśayaṁ samagraṁ māṁ yathā jñāsyasi tac chṛṇu [Bg. 7.1]. Asaṁśaya, \"without any doubt.\" Just like our path, devotional service, we are fully convinced that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. There is no doubt. So others, they are finding who is God, what is God, they have got doubt. And they do not know also completely what is God. But we know what is God: Supreme Personality..., Kṛṣṇa, kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28].\nBecause we have taken the path of devotional service that with firm conviction, and we are making progress in that way. Asaṁśayaṁ samagraṁ māṁ yathā jñāsyasi tac chṛṇu [Bg. 7.1]. Mayā stitha mano buddhiḥ. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. \"Anyone who,\" yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ, \"by accepting a devotee, by taking shelter of a devotee, one who practices this yoga,\" Kṛṣṇa says in the Seventh Chapter, then \"he can understand Me,\" asaṁśayam, \"without any doubt,\" and samagram, \"completely.\" Yathā jñāsyasi tac chṛṇu.\nIn other path... Actually, there are so many parties, especially the impersonalist party, they are also searching after the Absolute Truth, but they have got only vague idea, not complete, perfect idea. It is saṁśayam, with doubts, and asamagram, not complete. That's a fact. They cannot give you any clear idea of the concept of God. That is not possible. And sādhu. The Bhagavad-gītā... Who is sādhu? That is also explained in the Bhagavad-gītā: api cet su-durācāro bhajate mām ananya-bhāk sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ [Bg. 9.30]. One who is performing devotional service without any deviation, ananya-bhāk, undivided mind, simply unto Kṛṣṇa, he is sādhu.\nSo api cet su-durācāro. If somebody says, \"These devotee, these American and European devotees, we accept as sādhu, but they have got some bad habits.\" Suppose one sees, according to the European-American custom after eating they do not wash hands. That is..., they are not practiced to that way. So similarly, if I see that \"Here is an American devotee or European devotee, he ate but did not wash his hands, so he is not yet perfect,\" \"No,\" Kṛṣṇa says. \"No.\" Api cet suḍurācāro. This is a small fault that he has not washed his hands.\nBut we should not neglect to wash our hands. If by mistake, if by forgetfulness I do that, that is excused. But not that because it is excused we shall follow..., we shall neglect the rules and regulations. But Kṛṣṇa says that even he is suḍurācāro, his behavior is not up to the standards, still he is sādhu. Still, sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ [Bg. 9.30]. He should be taken, accepted as sādhu. Because why? Because he has taken Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Without any deviation he is engaged in His service. That qualification makes him sādhu. It is not that by mistake, if he commits some mistake in his behavior.\nSo if the question is, then, \"With misbehavior, how he can be sādhu?\" Kṛṣṇa answers that, kṣipraṁ bhavati dharmātmā śaśvac-chāntiṁ nigacchati [Bg. 9.31]: because he has taken shelter of Kṛṣṇa as the Absolute Supreme Personality of Godhead, therefore very soon he'll be reformed, although in the..., at the present moment he is not completely in sadācara platform. Still he should be accepted as sādhu, because very soon he'll be completely reformed.\nThe same thing Śukadeva Gosvāmī says: sakṛn manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor niveśitaṁ tad-guṇa-rāgi yair iha [SB 6.1.19]. Anyone who has taken the shelter of Kṛṣṇa, sakṛn, manaḥ kṛṣṇa, and has dedicated his mind unto Kṛṣṇa, and one who is attracted by the transcendental qualities, na te yamaṁ pāśa bhṛtaś ca tad-bhaṭān. You are assured that they will never be touched by Yamarāja or his assistants, tad-bhaṭān. Na te yamaṁ pāśa bhṛtaś ca tad-bhaṭān svapne 'pi paśyanti. Not even dream they can see that \"The Yamarāja's assistants are coming to take me.\" It is so much assured.\nAll right. So have little kīrtana, Hare Kṛṣṇa. [break]\nSo some gentlemen were coming, and ladies. I think they are not prepared to hear these things. If you talk that \"You are God, I am God,\" then they will like it. As soon as the real process of self-realization, God-realization, is put before them, they are not agreeing.",
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"content": "\n Guru Mahārāja, what chapter of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam was [indistinct] from?",
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"content": "\n This is Sixth Canto, First Chapter. This is also one part of tapasya, to come early in the morning. So they want everything very cheap. That is the falldown of India's position. So, Mr. Pandiya?",
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"content": "\n Yes, sir.",
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"content": "\n What is your question, you can ask now.",
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"content": "\n God, you know the common definition is \"God is all-powerful.\" Mr. Marwar? God is all-powerful.",
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"content": "\n That all-powerful... Now let us come to our own concept of all-powerfulness. We consider a rich man powerful, a influential man powerful. Then a strong man powerful, a man of knowledge powerful. A man that is very beautiful, he is also powerful, or a woman is beautiful, she is powerful—she attracts so many. In this way, when all the six opulences are together in fullness, he is God. Is it clear?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes.",
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"content": "\n He is God. God means nobody can be richer than Him, nobody can be stronger than Him, nobody can be more beautiful than Him, nobody can be wiser than Him and nobody can be influential than Him. That is God. When you find somebody that \"Here is the richest man in the whole universe or in the whole creation. Here is the most beautiful man in the whole universe,\" in this way, when you compare the six opulences, then that you will find in Kṛṣṇa. When Kṛṣṇa was present He exhibited this practically. Therefore, Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.",
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"content": "\n [Hindi] Bhagavān is transcendental, above this universe. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: trai-guṇya-viṣayā vedā nistrai-guṇyo bhavārjuna [Bg. 2.45]. So that nistrai-guṇya means nirguṇa. [Hindi] He has no qualities—this is nonsense. When one is powerful, all-powerful, how he can think of that He has no good qualities? Is it possible to think like that? That means He has no material qualities. When there is nirviśeṣa, when there are such description, \"The Absolute Truth has no form,\" that means He has no material form.\nAs soon as there is question of form, we think of form like you have got a form, I have got a form, he has got a form. Immediately we think of form like that. When Veda says, \"God is formless,\" that means He is not under the conception of form which you can conceive. Sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1]. So his form, His form is described in the Brahma-saṁhitā, that aṅgāni yasya sakalendriya-vṛtti-manti [Bs. 5.32].\nHe has got form, but every part of His limb has got the power of other limbs. Just like I can see with the eyes only, but Bhagavān, Kṛṣṇa, can see with His fingers. I can eat with my tongue, with my mouth, but Kṛṣṇa can see [eat] by seeing, by eyes. Therefore His form is not exactly like your form.\nAnd that is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā, avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā ma... [Bg. 9.11]: \"Because they see Me as a human being, they commit mistake, and they say, 'How it can be?' \" Just like Arjuna inquired from Kṛṣṇa, \"How can I believe that You delivered the yoga system of Bhagavad-gītā to the sun-god?\" Arjuna was taking the position of ordinary man. He is therefore questioning, that \"How can I believe? Kṛṣṇa said that 'I told this Bhagavad-gītā yoga millions of years ago to the sun-god.' \"\nimaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ\nproktavān aham avyayam\n[Bg. 4.1]\nNaturally, if I say that thirty thousand years ago I was speaking with [indistinct]. You see? But similarly, Kṛṣṇa was supposed that..., Arjuna, that \"How is that? Kṛṣṇa says that so many millions of years He first of all spoke this Bhagavad-gītā yoga to the sun-god?\" So he becomes doubtful. So \"How can I believe that?\" And that answer is there, that \"Both you and Me had many, many times birth. You have forgotten; I have not forgotten.\" So therefore His body is not like Arjuna's body. He becomes formless. He appears.\nBecause our form... We have got this form in our previous form, body, we are existing. because we are eternal. But we don't remember. We don't remember what I was in my previous life. So this form is distinct... Kṛṣṇa's form is distinct from this form. He hasn't got a form like this useless form. Therefore He is formless. Not that He hasn't got form. His form is sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1]. His form is eternal, sat; cit, full of knowledge; and blissful. Our this form is not blissful. Why you are covering the body? Because it is painful. Unless... What is the use of covering? Similarly, during summer season we have to take out all this...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Due to this form you are always in suffering. Adyātmika ādibhautika. But because they are in māyā they are thinking they are happy. So Kṛṣṇa's form is not like that. He is always ānandamāyā. We see Kṛṣṇa's form in a picture. He is always happy. Therefore His form is not like our form. Therefore indirectly it is said \"formless.\" His qualities are not exactly like our qualities; therefore He is called nirguṇa. Apāṇi pāda javano grahītā. Just like Veda says that He has no hands, no legs, but still He accepts the sacrifices which you offer Him.\nHow He accepts? Paśyaty acakṣuḥ [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 3.19]. He has no eyes, but He sees everything. How you can adjust it? Two contradicting things. He has no eyes, but He sees. Upadraṣṭā anumantā [Bg. 13.23]. So these words are there in the Bhagavad-gītā. Your conception of eye, that if God has no eye, then how He can see? Is it not the next question? But He sees. That means He has eyes which is not exactly this eyes. Therefore you can say He has no eye.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So another place you will find, acakṣuḥ. But here it is said that He has got thousands of eyes. So how you can adjust? That means His eyes are not exactly like our eyes. I cannot see if this room is dark—so much defective are my eyes. But His eyes are not like that. Even there is darkness or light, He can see.",
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"content": "\n Yes, He has got variety. In the Brahma-saṁhitā also it is said, advaitam acyutam anadim ananta-rūpam [Bs. 5.33]. ",
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"content": "\nAnanta-rūpa. Just like Bhagavān, Kṛṣṇa, showed His viśva-rūpa. So ananta, cakṣur ananta. [Hindi] So your question is clear? Yes. He has got eyes, He has got form, He has got qualities—but not exactly the qualities which you have got, the form which you have got, the eyes which you have got. No. Then it will be avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā [Bg. 9.11]. As soon as we think that \"Kṛṣṇa is like me. He has got a body like me,\" that is mūḍhā, gadā. That is the conclusion of the rascals. That is not the conclusion of a man who is in knowledge.\nSo these nirākāra vādīs, they are..., they cannot think of that there can be any eye which can act from Vaikuṇṭha, which we cannot ascertain how far it is, still you can keep traveling. We can simply think of that \"I can see three yards; therefore Kṛṣṇa can see also three yards.\" But the actual fact is Kṛṣṇa can see you from any distant place. Sarvata pāṇi pādas... Sarvato. He has got eyes everywhere. So that eyes is not exactly your eyes. Therefore it is called apāṇi acakṣur. Acakṣur means His eyes are not like your eyes.\nSo as soon as we consider, \"Kṛṣṇa like me. Kṛṣṇa like me...\" That is natural for a foolish person. That is the first consideration. Because they cannot adjust that God can have eyes different from me, therefore they take nirviśeṣa, nirākāra. Nirākāra means He has no form, He has no eyes, no leg. If I say that God has no leg, no eyes, it is defaming. He has got the brilliant eyes. Yac-cakṣur eṣa savitā. Here is one of the eyes of Kṛṣṇa: the sun. You see? When as soon as they declare \"God has no eyes,\" if we take in that way that we cannot see, He has no eyes, then it is blaspheme. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n Who says? Who says?",
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"content": "\n Others.",
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"content": "\n Who says?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] in the Bible.",
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"content": "\n What does it say?",
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"content": "\n He says that the kingdom of God is within.",
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"content": "\n Not without?",
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"content": "\n Then why stressing within?",
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"content": "\n Then why you are stressing on the point \"within\"? He is without. Without; within also. That is God. That Kṛṣṇa says: sarva-loka-maheśvaram [Bg. 5.29]: \"I am the proprietor of all the planets, all the..., everything,\" without also. Antar-bahiḥ. So He is both inside and outside. Why you are stressing on inside only? One-sided.",
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"content": "\n Why? Why not outside? Suppose if one cannot begin from inside, then his beginning is not substantial? If it says by Kṛṣṇa Himself that sarva-loka-maheśvaram [Bg. 5.29], \"I am the proprietor of all planets,\" so if I say, \"This planet is Kṛṣṇa's property,\" what is the wrong there? What is the wrong? Kṛṣṇa says, bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ khaṁ buddhir prakṛti me..., bhinna me prakṛtir aṣṭadhā [Bg. 7.4]: \"This earth, water, fire, everything, is My energy.\" So if I say, \"This water is Kṛṣṇa's, the fire is Kṛṣṇa's,\" what is the wrong there?",
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"content": "\n What is the light [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n What is the light? It is common sense. You see water. Kṛṣṇa says, \"It is Mine.\" And if I say, \"The water is Kṛṣṇa's,\" what is the wrong there? Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā that \"This bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ, this bhūmir, this pṛthvī, is Mine.\" So if I say that \"Land is Kṛṣṇa's,\" then what is wrong there? Then why should I go to inside? Outside I see the Kṛṣṇa's property. Why you bother for inside? Inside is very difficult to understand, but outside I can see directly.\nBut I see it, \"Oh, it is mine. It is my land. It is my house. It is my property.\" Therefore that is wrong. As soon as you see \"It is Kṛṣṇa's,\" that is perfect knowledge. Why you bother about inside? Why don't you see outside? This outside, whose property it is? Kṛṣṇa has simply hidden Himself inside and He is not outside? Inside He is also. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61]. That's nice. But why not outside? Then what is this outside? That is also claimed by Kṛṣṇa: \"It is Mine.\"\nSo inside and outside you have to see. Any man can see outside. Any child, if I say, if I teach a child, \"Well, this everything you see, it is Kṛṣṇa's,\" what is the wrong there? This tape recorder is Kṛṣṇa's, this microphone is Kṛṣṇa's, this fire is Kṛṣṇa's. What is the wrong there? Kṛṣṇa has kindly given me. So I should feel obliged, \"Kṛṣṇa, You are so kind that You have given this fire so I am not suffering.\" Is that not Kṛṣṇa consciousness? We want to teach that. Not a bogus thing: \"I am seeing within Kṛṣṇa.\" Why not outside? What is the wrong there? Tell me what is. Is it clear or not? If you have doubt, you go on questioning.",
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"content": "\n There should be easier process.",
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"content": "\n This is easier process. \"This fire belongs to Kṛṣṇa. He has kindly given me, prasādam.\" This is not easier? Which is easier?",
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"content": "\n Eh? It is not a fact?",
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"content": "\n It's a fact.",
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"content": "\n But it is not easier? If you teach one child that \"If you meditate upon Kṛṣṇa within,\" that is easier? Or if you say that \"The fire which you are cooking on, this is Kṛṣṇa's\"? Which is easier? So why you become more than child? You should remain always child, then you will get knowledge, real knowledge. That is the mistake: \"I am now grown up. I cannot accept as child.\" What is the difference between child?\nA child also learns A-B-C-D and a grown-up man also uses A-B-C-D. In what sense he has grown up? The A-B-C-D is there. But when you are grown up can you give up A-B-C-D? Can you give up A-B-C-D when you are grown up? What do you mean by grown up? What is the difference between child and you? You also use A-B-C-D, he also uses A-B-C-D. But his knowledge of A-B-C-D is not so perfect as yours.",
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"content": "\n Eh? Yes, actually.",
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"content": "\n Yes. We should remain child. But they are going to become Kṛṣṇa. That is nonsense. That is nonsense. If you remain a child of Kṛṣṇa, that is real sense. And as soon as I want to become Kṛṣṇa, that is rascaldom. Do you accept this or not?",
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"content": "\n Yes. This is rascaldom. We want to stop this rascaldom from this world. That is our movement. We want to remain a child, eternally, of Kṛṣṇa, protected by Him. That is our mission. Because you cannot become Kṛṣṇa at any time. How you can become? It is false endeavor to try to become Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says, mamaivāṁśo jīva... What is that verse? Mamaivāṁśo jīva bhūtaḥ jīva loke sanātanaḥ [Bg. 15.7]? What is that? You know this verse? What is that? Just recite.",
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"content": "\n No, you recite this verse. [Hindi] Kṛṣṇa is saying that \"The living entities are My part and parcels eternally.\" Sanātanaḥ. So how you become equal to Kṛṣṇa? Part is never equal to the whole. That is axiomatic truth. So if you are eternally part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, how you become equal with Kṛṣṇa? Simply by artificial endeavor you become one with Kṛṣṇa? That oneness realization means oneness of quality, not of quantity.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] When we merge into Kṛṣṇa [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n When you merge into Kṛṣṇa, all this merges into Kṛṣṇa, then...",
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"content": "\n Merges?",
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"content": "\n First of all, you are part. Suppose you are part, a screw. You are set in the machine. Does it mean that you become machine? Does it mean that you become machine? You are a screw, you are a part of the machine. Now you are aloof from the machine. Now when somebody comes and he again screws, it will be machine. The machine's part is complete and you are also complete.",
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"content": "\nYou mean the goal of [indistinct], to merge into that?",
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"content": "\n Merging means this. Just like the machine merges with the machine..., a screw merges with the machine, but still a screw remains the screw and the machine remains the machine. But as soon as they are mixed together, the screw has value and the machine is complete. But not that the screw becomes the machine or the machine becomes screw. Is it not?",
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"content": "\n So merging means that the machine and the screw, some screw being slackened, it has fallen down on the ground, so, so long it is out of the touch of the machine it is useless. It has no value. So merging into the Supreme means your value is now useless without being merging into the Supreme. And as soon as you become adjusted with the Supreme, your original value is revived. That is real meaning of merging.\nTato māṁ tattvato jñātvā viśate tad-anantaram. In the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find. Tato māṁ tattvato jñātvā. When one understands Kṛṣṇa in truth, tattvata—tattvata means in truth—then he is allowed to enter, or merge. Tato māṁ tattvato jñātvā viśate tad-anantaram. Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti [Bg. 18.55]. That also, that entrance is allowed by bhakti. Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti. Tattvato jñātvā. You can understand Kṛṣṇa in truth by devotional service. Not by any other means.\nSuppose you are a big lawyer. I want to make friendship with you, I want to know about your inside life. That I can know by knowing you completely, and by satisfying you some way or other, by serving you. Then you will say: \"Oh, my dear sir, you want to know me? All right. This is this.\" So similarly, bhakti means service. You have to please Kṛṣṇa; then you can know Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is safe[?]. Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti pūrvakam [Bg. 10.10]: \"Those who are always engaged in love and affection,\" buddhi-yogaṁ dadāmi tam, \"I say unto Him, I give him intelligence.\" Not to ordinary persons.\nThose who are actually engaged in the service of the Lord, he can get instruction from Kṛṣṇa. Tato māṁ tattvato jñātvā. And when he gets instruction fully, and he is fully aware of Kṛṣṇa, viśate tad anantaram, then merging question comes. Without understanding... Without clear understanding of Kṛṣṇa, where is the question of merging? Simply imagining that I am merge into Kṛṣṇa? No. That is not possible. You should know first of all what is Kṛṣṇa, what is God. Then there is question of merging. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante [Bg. 7.19]. Therefore this merging process takes place after many, many births. Is it not? So we first of all have to understand Kṛṣṇa, what is Kṛṣṇa. If he has vague idea of Kṛṣṇa, vague idea of... Where is the question of merging?",
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"content": "\n And that we understand by service.",
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"content": "\n Eh? Yes, that service. Yes, service. Therefore only by devotional service you can understand Kṛṣṇa. There is no other way. That I have explained: bhaktyā. Bhaktyā, by bhakti, you can become perfect, you can understand Kṛṣṇa, God, and you can enter into the kingdom of God, make your life perfect. Only bhakti. There is no compromise. One who says that there are so many other ways, any way...\nEspecially this Ramakrishna Mission, that whatever way you accept, that is complete. No. Only. That is the recommended process. Bhaktyā māṁ abhijānāti yāvān... [Bg. 18.55]. In the Vedas, in the Purāṇas, in the Bhāgavata, in..., everywhere. That is the process. Simply by devotional service you can understand God. Otherwise it is not possible.\nSo is it becoming clear?",
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"content": "\n Don't keep yourself in doubt. So long you are in doubt, you go on searching.",
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"content": "\n Yes. One difficulty is that we go to some saintly person, we hear, and we challenge, \"Whether the saintly person corroborated my idea?\" If he does not, then he's not good.",
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"content": "\n If it is against my conviction, \"Oh, he is not good.\"",
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"content": "\n No, I am speaking not of you. I know what you are doing. But we should corroborate. But as a preacher we should simply speak the real truth. There is no question of corresponding with your ideas and another idea. No. We... Whatever we know, whatever we have heard from our authorities, we'll speak. That's all. It may be somebody may know better than me. That is another thing. But I have to present what I have learned from the authority. That's all. And our authority is Kṛṣṇa, mainly.\nYāre dekha tāre kaha 'kṛṣṇa'-upa... [Cc. Madhya 7.128] That is the spiritual master. Who does not add or subtract from the talks of Kṛṣṇa, he is spiritual master. One who adds and subtracts according to his whims, he is not spiritual master. He is not bona fide spiritual master. \"In my opinion...,\" \"I give this interpretation...\" He is not authorized. You are lawyer; you know better than me. In your law court you cannot change the law by your opinion. That is not possible.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is foolishness. Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad... [Bg. 18.65].",
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"content": "\n That is something within Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n That is his idea, foolish idea. Because he is nirviśeṣavādi, he cannot accept Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Person; therefore how he can avoid the version of Kṛṣṇa unless he pushes something extra out of his foolishness? And there are foolish persons, they'll say, \"Oh, here is Dr. Radhakrishnan says.\" The intelligent person will see, \"Why this foolish person introduces something else?\" Here is the clear... Kṛṣṇa says, \"Just become My devotee.\" And why he introduces somebody else? But less intelligent person cannot.",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes. If you have got Dr. Radhakrishnan's book, I will show you.",
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"content": "\n Yes. If you go to the market you can purchase one copy of Bhagavad-gītā of Gita Press. [Hindi] Gita Press. With Rāmānuja commentary.",
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"content": "\n Rāmānuja.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That will help you.",
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"content": "\n That is English?",
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"content": "\n No, Sanskrit-Hindi. Yes. Rāmānuja-bhāṣya. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Rāmānuja means the old [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n What is that? Rāmānuja-bhāṣya? Oh, he has got this.",
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"content": "\n Śrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n Hmm.",
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"content": "\n I was looking at the Gītā yesterday. There is a verse in the Sixth Chapter where Kṛṣṇa says that \"The yogī who knows that I and the Supersoul are one and always worships Me in that way [indistinct]. I was wondering... It seems that when the yogī sees Lord Kṛṣṇa as Viṣṇu within the heart, that would appear that that is actually Bhagavān realization, because Lord Viṣṇu and Kṛṣṇa are the same, so it would be Bhagavān. So what is the distinction between Paramātmā realization and Bhagavān realization?",
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"content": "\nBhagavān realization is complete. Paramātmā realization is partial.",
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"content": "\n Partial.",
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"content": "\n Partial.",
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"content": "\n Does that mean realizing knowledge without realizing it's coming from God?",
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"content": "\n No, the realization of existence of God everywhere, that is Paramātmā realization.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n That is called Paramātmā.",
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"content": "\n That is Paramātmā realization. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61]. He is situated in everyone's heart. Aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu cayāntara-stham [Bs. 5.35]. He is within this universe, and He is also within the atom. That is Paramātmā realization. Everywhere, all-pervading. Akhilātma-bhūto. Goloka eva nivasaty [Bs. 5.37]. Although He is situated in His Goloka Vṛndāvana-dhāma, He is everywhere. That everywhere aspect is Paramātmā. And that Goloka Vṛndāvana-sthiti is Bhagavān.",
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"content": "\n When a person becomes Bhagavān realized, is Supersoul in his heart [indistinct] Kṛṣṇa in His Śyāmasundara form?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti [Bs. 5.38].",
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"content": "\n Also, I was told by one devotee, a person working for Lord Caitanya, Lord Caitanya will appear as Supersoul to him [indistinct]. Does this happen?",
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"content": "\n Well, Lord Caitanya, Lord Kṛṣṇa, there is no difference. If you see Kṛṣṇa and Lord Caitanya the same, or Viṣṇu, it doesn't matter. Viṣṇu-tattva.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] ...Paramātmā realized in that way.",
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"content": "\n Yogīs, yogīs , they realize Paramātmā.",
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"content": "\nAnd they're completely satisfied in that way.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yogīs, they see Bhagavān as Paramātmā. Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān. So all of them are on the platform, but realization different. Gradually develop. Brahman realization is also spiritual realization. Paramātmā realization also spiritual realization ,and Bhagavān realization is also spiritual. But the perfect spiritual realization is Bhagavān realization. It includes Paramātmā and Brahman, everything.",
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"content": "\n In the Bhāgavatam it tells about Bhīṣmadeva... Bhīṣma? He was worshiping Lakṣmī-Nārāyaṇa, and when Kṛṣṇa came to [indistinct] Kṛṣṇa appeared in His four-armed form and then...",
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"content": "\n He knew there is no difference between Kṛṣṇa and Nārāyaṇa, because he was in perfect knowledge. Why Bhīṣma? Every one of us. You do not know?",
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"content": "\n Bhīṣma was more attracted to the four-armed form.",
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"content": "\n That is, that is... Some devotee is worshiper of Viṣṇu, some devotee is worshiper of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Their constitutional nature is that way.",
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"content": "\n That is rasa. He likes this form. Just like Hanumān said that \"Although I know Rāma and Kṛṣṇa are the same, still, I want to see Rāma.\" We also. Although we know Rāma and Kṛṣṇa the same, but we want to see Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Tulasidāsa said that he wants to see Rāma.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is devotee's inclination. That inclination we must have. Just like the gopīs were searching Kṛṣṇa, and they saw that Kṛṣṇa sitting in one place as four-handed Nārāyaṇa. They offered respect, \"Oh, He is Nārāyaṇa. We don't care for Him.\" [laughter]\n\"We don't care for Him.\" But they offered respect, \"Oh, Nārāyaṇa, namaskara. But we want Kṛṣṇa.\" And when Rādhārāṇī came, Kṛṣṇa wanted to remain Nārāyaṇa, He could not. Rādhārāṇī's desire is so strong that Kṛṣṇa could not remain as Nārāyaṇa. He became Kṛṣṇa. You see?\nSo somebody is offering us a little piece of land. In Sak... Saket.",
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"content": "\n Saket. It is good quarter.",
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"content": "\n Saket. It is good quarter. So why not accept that land and immediately have our building.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] say about four o'clock. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Yesterday there was a meeting. There is a hope of getting eighty-seven Life Member. So if you get some Life Members, say fifty, then we can have immediately one center.",
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"content": "\n But anyhow...",
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"content": "\n No, either we purchase or we invest [indistinct], but we require some Life Members.",
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"content": "\n [talks about making some appointment at between four and four-thirty]",
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"content": "\n But at that time somebody comes to see me. Somebody comes to see me and talk with me.",
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"content": "\n All right. If you can make some Life Members.",
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"content": "\n You are trying for that?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n All right. All right.",
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"content": "\n So Maharani has got many buildings also, I see.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] I can go to her secretary that [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n She's American.",
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"content": "\n She's American. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n She was born in India?",
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"content": "\n No, she was born in America. She was the daughter of [indistinct]. Her father owned [indistinct] companies [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n She has culture. Just like there is one..., another American woman in Bombay, Mrs. Gwaliya.",
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"content": "\n Yes. She's American, Gwaliya, a Parsee, a big businessman.",
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"content": "\n So you are Mr. Pandiya. You know him? He is also advocate. [Indian men converse]",
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"content": "\n You know me? You have seen my books? [indistinct] [conversation between guests]",
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"content": "\n Yes. In devotees' association everyone is blessed. Satāṁ prasaṅgāt mama virya saṁvido [SB 3.25.25]. There is some enlightenment.",
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"content": "\n May I sing one bhajana?",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa. We chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n No, Hare Kṛṣṇa. We chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa I chant, but...",
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"content": "\nIt may not be melodious, but we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [Indian man starts singing Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, coughs and stops] All right, don't take... You want water? Eh? Give this glass. Come on.\n[break] ...nāmaiva eva kevalam kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva [Cc. Ādi 17.21]. There is no mention that it should be chanted lowly. So how you can say it is gupta? It is not gupta.",
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"content": "\nPurāṇa says it is gupta.",
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"content": "\n This is also Purāṇa says. Especially it is harer nāma [Cc. Ādi 17.21], it is not gupta. That is in the Kali-yuga it should be openly chanted, and we have to follow our predecessor, Haridāsa Ṭhākura, nāmācārya.",
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"content": "\n When we chant, when we utter the bīja mantra, that we utter loudly. That is required. That is japa. So this mantra is mahā-mantra, and it should be chanted loudly, or as you like. There is no such restriction. Niyamitaḥ smaraṇe na kālaḥ. Nāmnām akāri bahudhā nija-sarva-śaktis tatrārpitā niyamitaḥ smaraṇe na kālaḥ [Cc. Antya 20.16]. [Hindi]\nAnd we have to follow the great personalities. Haridāsa Ṭhākura, he was chanting very loudly; Caitanya Mahāprabhu chanted very loudly. So what more evidence you want? My Guru Mahārāja chanted loudly; we are chanting loudly. Whole business finished. [chuckles] Is that all right? Eh?",
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"content": "\n Our process is very easy. We have to see whether my Guru Mahārāja, his Guru Mahārāja has followed this. Then there will be no more doubt. Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam [Bg. 4.2]. We receive things by paramparā system. Mahājano yena gataḥ. Sādhu mārgānu-gamanam. We have to follow the footsteps of sādhu.",
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"content": "\n Even if I am not well conversant with the Vedas and Purāṇas, if I see that my spiritual master is doing that, that is sufficient.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So karma-kāṇḍa, jñāna-kāṇḍa... We say karma-kāṇḍa jñāna-kāṇḍa sakali visera bandha. They are all pots of poison. Karma-kāṇḍa jñāna-kāṇḍa sakalī viṣera bāṅdha. You understand? All of them are pots of poison. Amṛta baliyā yebā khāya. One who accepts this viṣa bandha, this poison pot, as amṛta, as nectar, then what is the result? Nānā yoni brahman kare [Prema-bhakti-candrikā]. The result is that he will continue with the...",
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"content": "\n Ah, that business will go on. Nānā yoni brahman kare kadarya bhakṣaṇa kare. When there is question of various types of body, it may be I can get the body of hog, then I have to eat stool. By karma-kāṇḍa I become so much abominable, because nānā yoni brahman kare, there is no guarantee.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. But he was the king; he had to perform this karma-kāṇḍa for the prajā. Yes. That is according to the Vedic principle. So karma-kāṇḍa, for ordinary man it is not condemned, but those who are in devotional service, they do not require the guidance of karma-kāṇḍa or jñāna-kāṇḍa. Therefore sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg. 18.66]. All dharmas, they are in karma-kāṇḍa, jñāna-kāṇḍa. And bhakti is jñāna-karmādy anāvṛtam [Cc. Madhya 19.167].\nanyābhilāṣitā śūnyaṁ\njñāna karmādy anāvṛtam\nānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-\nśīlanam...\n[Brs. 1.1.11]\nSo bhakti is above karma-kāṇḍa and jñāna-kāṇḍa. Rather, bhakti should not be tinged or polluted by karma-kāṇḍa conception.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Bhakti. Raso [indistinct]. Bhagavan... Raso [indistinct]. Similarly, bhagavān, nāma. Nāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaś caitanya-rasa-vigrahaḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.133]. Rasa-vigrahaḥ. Yes.",
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"content": "\n That is why Lord Kṛṣṇa says, \"Give up all varieties of religiousness and just surrender to Me.\" All these other paths...",
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"content": "\n They are duality, karma-kāṇḍa, jñāna-karma. Karmīs, they are after enjoying this world, and jñānīs, they are after renouncing this world. But you haven't got to enjoy Kṛṣṇa's property, neither you have to renounce Kṛṣṇa's... The property is not yours, then how you can renounce?\nWhat is the meaning of your renouncement? If the property is not yours, then how you can accept it as your enjoyable thing? That is karma-kāṇḍa. And how you can reject it? That is jnana-kāṇḍa. So the best thing is to know that everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa, and it should be utilized for Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Yes, karma-kāṇḍa is the lowest thing. When they are fully under the concept of this body, that is karma-kāṇḍa. And when one is transferred to the mental platform, that is jnana-kāṇḍa. And when he's transferred to the spiritual platform, that is bhakti. That is bhakti.",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa. [Hindi] [break] [end]\nanyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ\njñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam\nānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-\nśīlanaṁ bhaktir uttamā\n\"\nOne should render transcendental loving service to the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṇa favorably and without desire for material profit or gain through fruitive activities or philosophical speculation. That is called pure devotional service.\n\"\n[Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.1.11]",
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"content": "\nNew students they are going to be initiated today. But one thing you should know that people may not think that we are concerned with something old-fashioned. When the world is progressing to reach the moon planet we are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. The people may not misunderstand that we are lagging behind with the scientific advancement. We have already passed all this scientific advancement.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā this attempt of the human being to reach other higher planet is not a new thing. They are advertising in the paper, that the man's first step in the moon planet. But they do not know, millions and millions of men went there, and they have again come back. This is not a first time. This is time old practice. And in the Bhagavad-gītā it is clearly stated:\nābrahma-bhuvanāl lokāḥ\npunar āvartino 'rjuna\n[Bg. 8.16]\n[From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kuntī, never takes birth again.]\nMy dear Arjuna, even if you go to the highest planetary system which is called Brahmaloka, punar āvartinaḥ, you have to come back. So, this is not a new thing, this is known to these Kṛṣṇa conscious people.\nSo Kṛṣṇa says we should always remember that we are Kṛṣṇa conscious people. What Kṛṣṇa says we take it as the absolute truth. Therefore, Kṛṣṇa says that even if you attempt to reach to the highest planet which is called Brahmaloka. There are many planetary systems according to Vedic literature. The planetary system in which we are now, this is called Bhūr-loka.\nAbove this planet system is Bhuvar-loka. Above that planetary system there is Svargaloka. This moon belongs to the Svargaloka planetary system. Above the Svargaloka there is Janaloka. Then above that there is Maharloka, above that there is Satyaloka. Similarly, there are below planetary system: Tala, Atala, Nitala, Talātala, Pātāla, Rasātala, like that. So, there are 14 status of planetary system within this universe and our\nGāyatrīmantra: oṁ bhūr bhuvaḥ svāḥ tat savitur vareṇyaṁ bhargo devasya dhīmahi. The sun is the chief planet within this universe. The sun is described in the Brahma-saṁhitā:\nyac-cakṣur eṣa savitā sakala-grahāṇāṁ\nrājā samasta-sura-mūrtir aśeṣa-tejāḥ\nyasyājñayā bhramati sambhṛta-kāla-cakro\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.52]\n[The sun who is the king of all the planets, full of infinite effulgence, the image of the good soul, is as the eye of this world. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda in pursuance of whose order the sun performs his journey mounting the wheel of time.]\nSo, our aim is govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ. It is not that those who are worshipping Govinda, Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Personality of Godhead, they are not aware of this. They know it very well. And therefore, in this verse, it is said, yac-cakṣur eṣa savitā sakala-grahāṇāṁ. The sun is the chief amongst all planetary systems. It is just like the eye.\nOr it is the eye of the Supreme Lord, yac-cakṣur eṣa savitā sakala. savitā sakala-grahāṇāṁ. Actually, without sun we cannot see, we may be very proud of our eyes. Can you show me what you can see? First of all, let me know. Eh? You cannot see even your next-door neighbour. By your eyes. Eh? You are challenging, \"can you show me God?\" What you can see? What is the value of your this nonsense eyes? But things are going on.\nSome great Swāmī, this this this spiritual master, not at that time Swāmī he was a student. \"Oh, can you show me God?\" He said, \"yes.\" And he said, \"yes I have seen God.\" Oh God is so cheap thing? Eh? You cannot see anything, what to speak of God, without sunshine. Therefore, the sun is called, yac-cakṣur eṣa sakala-grahāṇāṁ [Bs. 5.52].\nWithout sunrise you are blind, you're blind. At night can you see anything? Oh, you have to arrange for electricity, this that, so many things because the sun is not there. Try to understand everything practically don't be fools.\nSo, this sun is only one sun but there are millions and trillions of suns. That is also stated in the Brahma-saṁhitā:\nyasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi-\nkoṭiṣv aśeṣa-vasudhādi vibhūti-bhinnam\ntad brahma niṣkalam anantam aśeṣa-bhūtaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.40]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, whose effulgence is the source of the nondifferentiated Brahman mentioned in the Upaniṣads, being differentiated from the infinity of glories of the mundane universe appears as the indivisible, infinite, limitless, truth.]\nYasya prabhā prabhavato, the bodily effulgence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Kṛṣṇa, Govinda is called brahmajyoti. In that brahmajyoti there are millions and trillions of universes. Just like within the sunshine there are millions and trillions of planets. Similarly, in the effulgence, shining effulgence of the body of Kṛṣṇa which is called brahmajyoti. Yasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi, so we get information millions and trillions of universes and in each universe, there is one sun.\nSo, there are millions and trillions of universes and millions and trillions of suns and moons and planets and so many things. But Kṛṣṇa says that if you try to go in one of these planets then you will simply waste your time. That's all. Simply waste your time. Practically also you see, now somebody has gone to the moon planet but what will you get? And what the human society will get out of it?\nAfter spending so much money, so much energy, ten years adventure, if you have gone to moon planet and simply touched it. Then what is the benefit of that? You remain there and call your other friends, \"come here.\" And even if you go there and remain there, what benefit will go?\nābrahma-bhuvanāl lokāḥ\npunar āvartino 'rjuna\n[Bg. 8.16]\n[From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kuntī, never takes birth again.]\nSo long we are in this material world, either this planet or other planets. The four things, birth death old age and disease will follow you. You cannot get rid. Suppose if you go and domicile in moon planet, if you can of course. By oxygen mask how long you can stay? But if you get that opportunity to stay there then what you will gain? You will gain a little more duration of life, that's all. Not that you are going to live forever there. No, no, that is not possible.\nSo, a little duration of life increase, what do you gain by that? Are the trees are not living for many, many years? Taravaḥ kiṁ na jīvanti [SB 2.3.18].\n[Do the trees not live? Do the bellows of the blacksmith not breathe? All around us, do the beasts not eat and discharge semen?]\nIn your country I have seen in San Francisco, there is a wood, there is a tree 7,000 years old. But what is the benefit? If you stand up in a place for 7,000 years and if you are proud of your living 7,000 years is that a very great credit? Standing up?\nSo Kṛṣṇa says all these things are nonsense.\nābrahma-bhuvanāl lokāḥ\npunar āvartino 'rjuna\n[Bg. 8.16]\n[From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kuntī, never takes birth again.]\nYou like to come back again, it is a great story. How one goes to the moon planet, how again comes back. These are all stated in the Vedic literature. It is not a very new thing. But what is our aim? Our aim is different. We are not going to waste our valuable time, Kṛṣṇa says that don't waste your time by these attempts. That you will go to this planet, to that planet, to that planet, to that planet. What you will gain? Your material miseries will follow you wherever you go. Therefore, in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta it is very nicely said by the author:\nkeha pāpe, keha puṇye kare viṣaya-bhoga\nbhakti-gandha nāhi, yāte yāya bhava-roga\n[Ādi 3.97]\n[Everyone was engaged in material enjoyment, whether sinfully or virtuously. No one was interested in the transcendental service of the Lord, which can give total relief from the repetition of birth and death.]\nThe purport of this verse is: in this material world somebody is enjoying, not enjoying everybody is suffering. But something we take it, it is enjoyment and something we take it as suffering. Actually, it is suffering. Who is there within this material world who does not suffer in disease? Who is there within this material world who does not suffer from old age? Who is there within this material world who does not die? And who wants to die?\nNobody wants to die. Nobody wants to die, and everybody dies then where is this enjoyment? Nobody wants to grow old and everybody becomes old then where is the enjoyment? Nobody wants to suffer from disease and everybody suffers from disease then where is the enjoyment? So, this is all nonsense. Within this material world there is no enjoyment. It is simply our concoction. This is enjoyment this is suffering. Everything is suffering.\nTherefore, the Caitanya-caritāmṛta says viṣaya-bhoga. [Cc Ādi 3.97]\n[Everyone was engaged in material enjoyment, whether sinfully or virtuously. No one was interested in the transcendental service of the Lord, which can give total relief from the repetition of birth and death.]\nViṣaya means—what is that viṣaya? Viṣaya means the four things, eating sleeping mating and defending. So keha pāpe, keha puṇye, pāpe means—these four things will be there, but they may be third-grade. Just like taking for accepted you Americans you have got this country, you have got this body, American body by pious activities. Because you're materially prosperous and say in India they are poverty stricken.\nBecause I say wherever I go they say the state of India is poverty stricken. Actually, it is at the present moment so. So, it may be that they are suffering but the four things. Eating, you may be eating very nice things, butter bread and so many things and they might be eating without butter. But eating is there. It is not that because one is poverty stricken the wholesale men has died for want of food. No. Not even birds and beasts [aside]. not like this. Sit down.\nSo, this viṣaya-bhoga they. I mean to say, participating the four principles of bodily demands. Namely, eating sleeping mating and defending. That can be had in any circumstances even if you are born in impious condition, or you are born in pious condition. But the problem is how to get out of these four principles of life, namely birth death old age and disease. That is real problem. This is not real problem, what shall I eat? The birds and beasts they have no problem. In the morning they immediately chirping kzb, kzb, kzb. They have no problem. They know that we shall have our food. The cats and dogs also know they are confident they will get some food.\nSo, nobody is dying, that's a mistake. That over population, this and that. Everybody has got by God's arrangement, everyone has got food. But the quality may be different, that's all. But that quality of material enjoyment is not the end of life. The real problem is how to get out of this problems of life, birth death old age and disease. That cannot be solved by simply wasting time within this universe, this way or that way. Even if you go to the highest planet, these problems cannot be solved. Because there is also death although in the Brahmaloka the duration. In the moon planet so far, we have got information.\nThey live for 10,000 years and their one day is equal to our six months. So just imagine, that means 10,000 multiplied by 150. That is the duration of life in the moon planet. I do not know whether people from here will go to moon planet and live for so many days. That is not possible. Then the whole Vedic literature will be false. You can attain to go there make a farce, but it is not possible to live there. That is not possible.\nSo, this knowledge we have got read it from the Vedic scriptures. Therefore, we are not very much concerned to go to this planet or that planet. We are concerned to go directly to the planet where Kṛṣṇa is. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, what is that?\nyānti deva-vratā devān\npitṝn yānti pitṛ-vratāḥ\nbhūtejyāyānti bhūtāni\nmad-yājino 'pi yānti mām\n[Bg. 9.25]\n[Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live with Me.]\nYou can go to moon planet or sun planet. You can go even to sun planet, there are many millions and trillions of planets. That you can go, yānti deva-vratā devān. Similarly, there are Pitṛlokas planets, there also you can go. And if you want you can remain, bhūtejyāḥ. If you become material. Too much materialistic you can remain here. But mat yājinaḥ, those who are devotees of mine they come to me. So, we are aiming to that point.\nyad gatvā na nivartante\ntad dhāma paramaṁ mama\n[Bg. 15.6]\n[That abode of Mine is not illumined by the sun or moon, nor by electricity. One who reaches it never returns to this material world.]\nSo, this initiation is not a farce, this initiation means to initiate a person so that ultimately, he can go to that supreme planet Kṛṣṇaloka, Vṛndāvana. We are not sitting idly, we are also attempting to go to other planets. But that is not simply wasting time. This attempt will not be fruitful. Just attempt to go to Kṛṣṇa, fortunately at coincidence we have published one article in our \"Back to Godhead\".\n[aside:] Where is that?\n[Back to Godhead Magazine no. 26, October 1969]",
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"content": "\n Yes. Here is an article you can read. The name is.\n[aside:] What is the name?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Here is an article it is, \"Beyond The Universe.\" This article you will find, it is just fortunate that during this moment this article is also published, \"Beyond This Universe.\"\nThere is place beyond this universe, that information you get from the Bhagavad-gītā. Unfortunately, Bhagavad-gītā is very popular book, since a very long time. And there are so many publications of Bhagavad-gītā in your country.\nAnd imported also from India and you have also published but all these nonsenses they do not know what is beyond this universe. All these rascals they never preached, and they come here to preach Bhagavad-gītā. I say rascals because they did not give the real information. Simply bluff, therefore we have published this Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. Try to read it.\nYou'll find that information.\nparas tasmāt tu bhāvo 'nyo\n'vyakto 'vyaktāt sanātanaḥ\n[Bg. 8.20]\n[Yet there is another nature, which is eternal and is transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is annihilated, that part remains as it is.]\nThere is another nature, just like you see this nature. Nature you understand. This cosmic manifestation is called nature—sva-bhāva. But there is another nature, para—that is superior. Bhāvānya, sva-bhāva another nature, anya, but that is different. How it is different? 'Vyakto 'vyaktāt sanātanaḥ these manifested cosmic manifestation's.\nThis is one status and beyond this there is covering of the universe. That is non-manifested. So, beyond this manifested and non-manifested existence of this universe there is another nature. And what is that nature? Sanātanaḥ—eternal. And this nature, what is this nature? 'vyakto 'vyaktāt praṇaśyati, bhūtvā bhūtvāpraṇaśyati. Oh vinaśyati.\nThis material nature, you can understand this is common sense. Anything manifested here it will finish. Take for your example, this body. Suppose you are 30 years old, 30 years before your body was not manifested and say for another 50, or 50 years it will be again non-manifested. That is a fact. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate [Bg. 8.19].\n[Again and again the day comes, and this host of beings is active; and again the night falls, O Pārtha, and they are helplessly dissolved.]\nIt is manifested and again it is annihilated. Dissolved. Sagara laharī samāja, just like the waves in the sea they are coming, very big waves, high. Immediately within a second—finished.\nSo, they do not study, they are simply concerned with this bubble life which is. Which will be finished at any moment. So, as it is your body it is manifested, and it will be finished at any day. Similarly, the whole universe, this is also a gigantic material body and it will be finished. And when it will be finished, where is your moon planet and this planet or that planet? All finished.",
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"content": "\n Why should you waste your time to go to such planet where everything will be finished. Try to go to Kṛṣṇaloka.\nyad gatvā na nivartante\ntad dhāma paramaṁ mama\n[Bg. 15.6]\n[That abode of Mine is not illumined by the sun or moon, nor by electricity. One who reaches it never returns to this material world.]\nThis is science. Try to understand. You understand yourself and preach this message throughout the whole world. They are in the darkness. They have no knowledge. Although they are very much proud. This is not advancement of knowledge. That you go after 10 years endeavour to go to the moon planet and touch it and come back and become very proud, \"Oh I have touched!\" And what is that? You have touched, what you have gained? But they are proud simply by touching, that's all. Live there, and if you live, how long you will live? It will be all finished. Try to find out that planet:\nyad gatvā na nivartante\ntad dhāma paramaṁ mama\n[Bg. 15.6]\nWhere going no more coming back. You get eternal life and dance with Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n This is the initiation. So, this. Don't take this initiation tritely. This initiation is giving you chance to reach the Kṛṣṇa and live there eternally and dance with.\nThank you very much.",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. Śrīla Prabhupāda. [devotees offer obeisances] [break]",
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"content": "\n What is that? Ācamana. [indistinct]. This is my drinking water but another water.",
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"content": "\n Shall I light the candle Śrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n Yes... So, try to follow the rules and regulation be strict too. Then your. tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti [Bg. 4.9].\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\nAfter this body. With this body wherever you go you will simply touch and come back, that's all. Oh, you cannot live and even if you live how long will you live? What is 10,000 years? In comparison to the time eternal. First thing you cannot live, neither you can go, and even if you live and if you can go. It is not that you are going to get eternal. But our concern is how to get eternal life and dance with Kṛṣṇa, that's all.... Where is that water? Why you forget?",
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"content": "\nKeep it down... Just see how I am doing. [Tinkling sound of ācamana cup] one, two, three. [Sipping sound] four. Do like that. [Śrīla Prabhupāda and devotees chanting mahā-mantra]. Very good... Now chant.\n[Śrīla Prabhupāda chants the following with the devotees repeating responsively].\nnamaḥ, apa, vitraḥ, pavi, tra, vā, jaḥ, smaret,\npuṇḍarī, kākṣaṁ, sa, bahya, abhyantaram, śuciḥ.\n[Garuḍa Purāṇa]\nśrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\n[Śrīla Prabhupāda and devotees chanting mahā-mantra]. [break]\nŚīlavatī?... You can divide into two and put the two pillars of the throne for Kṛṣṇa, yes...\nDon't put it on the floor. [end]",
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"content": "\n\nom ajñāna-timirāndhasya jñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena tasmai śrī-gurave-namaḥ\n[\"I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who with the torchlight of knowledge has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance.\"]\nśrī-caitanya-mano-'bhīṣṭaṁ sthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale\nsvayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ dadāti sva-padāntikam\n[\"When will Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet?\"]\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\n[\"I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.\"]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[\"O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.\"]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devi praṇamāmi hari-priye\n[\"I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.\"]\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\n[\"I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They can fulfill the desires of everyone, just like desire trees, and they are full of compassion for the fallen souls.\"]\nśrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu nityānanda\nśrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda\n[\"I offer my obeisances to Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya, Prabhu Nityānanda, Śrī Advaita, Gadādhara, Śrīvāsa and all others in the line of devotion.\"]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[\"My dear Lord, and the spiritual energy of the Lord, kindly engage me in Your service. I am now embarrassed with this material service. Please engage me in Your service.\"]\nLadies and Gentlemen, [applause] we thank you very much for your kindly coming here and participating in this noble movement of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or saṅkīrtana movement. You'll be very glad to know that today I have received one letter from my disciple Śrīman Kṛṣṇadāsa adhikārī, the in-charge-of, commander, maṭha-command, or temple command, of West Berlin. He was negotiating with Russian Cultural Society, and one very important professor, he has invited us to lecture in Russia. [applause]",
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"content": "\n Haribol!",
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"content": "\nSo very soon I shall be going to Russia with some of my disciples. [applause]",
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"content": "\n Haribol!",
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"content": "\n So gradually it will be realized that Kṛṣṇa is for everyone. Don't take Kṛṣṇa as Indian or Hindu. Don't limit Kṛṣṇa's activities. Kṛṣṇa is unlimited, Kṛṣṇa's activities are unlimited, Kṛṣṇa's devotees are unlimited, and Kṛṣṇa's field of activities, unlimited. So Kṛṣṇa says, yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat [Bg. 7.5].\n[aside:] Why it is not working? Huh?",
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"content": "\n\napareyam itas tv anyāṁ\nprakṛtiṁ viddhi me parāṁ\njīva-bhūtaṁ mahā-bāho\nyayedaṁ dhāryate jagat\n[Bg. 7.5]\nYaya. Prakṛti. The prakṛti, the energy. Energy is feminine gender; therefore it is stated here yaya. Dhāryate jagat. We are, we living entities, we are superior energy, and the matter is inferior energy. Therefore dhāryate. We are enjoying or we are capturing this material energy. We are using in so many ways. Sadyāsana[?]. Just like I am sitting on this material cushion or sitting on the material floor, using this material microphone or having material bedstead, car. In so many ways we are enjoying this material world, yaya. The same prakṛti.\nBoth of them are prakṛtis, energy. One energy is called superior, and the another energy is called inferior. Matter is inferior, and the living entities are superior. But in relationship with Kṛṣṇa, both of them are energy. The energies in their particular field of activities, superior or inferior, but still, in connection with Kṛṣṇa, because Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Absolute Truth, for Him, there is no such distinction, superior and inferior.\nViṣṇu Purāṇa therefore says, viṣṇu-śaktiḥ parā. Originally, the energy of Kṛṣṇa is transcendental, spiritual.\nviṣṇu-śaktiḥ parā proktā\nkṣetrajñākhyā tathā parā\navidyā-karma-saṁjñānya\ntṛtīyā śaktir iṣyate\n[Cc. Madhya 6.154]\nSo Kṛṣṇa can change superior energy into inferior energy and inferior energy into superior energy. That is His omnipotency. As such, when Kṛṣṇa appears within this material world, even though He assumes a so-called material body according to the Māyāvādī philosophers, that is not material. He can change into spiritual. That is His omnipotency.\nSambhavāmy ātmā-māyayā [Bg. 4.6]. Just like the electrical engineer, the same electrical energy, he can use it for refrigerator and he can use it for heater. It is his manipulation. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa, by His Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, He can turn this material world into spiritual world simply by changing the consciousness. That is in His power.\nTherefore anything in Kṛṣṇa consciousness should not be considered as material.\nprāpañcikatayā buddhyā\nhari-sambandhi-vastunaḥ\nmumukṣubhiḥ parityāgo\nphalgu-vairāgyaṁ kathyate\n[Brs. 1.2.258]\nThat anything... Take for example, just like Māyāvādī philosopher, they say brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā. But jagat, not mithyā, but temporary. And still, even if it is mithyā, false, it can be turned into truth by this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. That is possible. Nirbandhe kṛṣṇa-sambandhe yukta-vairāgyam ucyate.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is so nice that it can transform the matter into spirit. How? Not transform, but the faith or feature is changed. Consciousness is changed. The same example as we have several times recited, that you take an iron rod, put into the fire. It becomes warm, warmer. But when it is red hot, it is no longer iron; it is fire. If you touch that red hot iron in any place, it will burn.\nSimilarly, Vaiṣṇava, by his spiritual advancement in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, makes the whole body spiritualized. Just try to understand the same example. By developing your Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you can make your body spiritualized, completely forgetting all material activity. Yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat [Bg. 7.5].\nThen Kṛṣṇa says,\netad-yonīni bhūtāni\nsarvāṇi iti upadhāraya\nahaṁ kṛtsnasya jagataḥ\nprabhavaḥ pralayas tathā\n[Bg 7.6]\nSo Kṛṣṇa is the original cause of the material energy, the spiritual energy. And by combination of this material energy and spiritual energy, the whole cosmic manifestation is there. There are two kinds of energies working. Everyone can experience. Just like in my body, I am the spirit soul, and the body is matter, material. When combined together it is working wonderfully. A man is becoming a great leader, a great scientist, a great philosopher, how? So long the spiritual spark is there. As soon as the spiritual spark is gone, the same very body is no longer a great leader, a great scientist or great, I mean, philosopher.\nSo both these energies are products of Kṛṣṇa's body. Just like the sunshine is the energy of the sun globe, and within the sun globe there is the sun-god also. We get it from Bhagavad-gītā. In the Fourth Chapter there is mention of the sun-god: imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ, yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam, vivasvate [Bg. 4.1]. Vivasvān is the name of the sun-god. At present, the predominating leader, or the principal deity, in the sun planet is called Vivasvān. So he's a person. He's a person, and his globe is the sun globe. And from the sun globe, there is sunshine.\nSimilarly, there is a planet which is known as Goloka Vṛndāvana. In the spiritual world there are millions of planets there. As we have got millions of planets here in this material world, millions of universes, similarly, the spiritual world there are millions of planets, globes, which are called Vaikuṇṭhalokas. And the topmost of the Vaikuṇṭhalokas is called Goloka Vṛndāvana or Kṛṣṇaloka. That is the original abode of Lord Kṛṣṇa. And from that globe, there is effulgence, which is bodily effulgence of Kṛṣṇa.\nWe get this information from Brahma-saṁhitā: yasya prabhā prabhavato jagadāṇḍa-koṭi [Bs. 5.40]. Yasya prabhā. The brahma-jyotir is the bodily effulgence of Lord Kṛṣṇa. Exactly the sunshine is the bodily effulgence of Vivasvān, it is being emanating, it is emanating from the sun globe, similarly, the brahma-jyotir is emanating from Kṛṣṇaloka. And in that Kṛṣṇa..., Brahman effulgence, so many universes and so many Vaikuṇṭha planets are growing, exactly the same way as so many planets have grown from the sunshine. This is scientific.\nSo how Kṛṣṇa is ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ [Bg. 10.8], you can understand it. If you study, if you take information from Vedic literature, if you attentively think over it, you'll very easily understand that everything is produced out of Kṛṣṇa's bodily effulgence or energy. Kṛṣṇa also personally says here,\netad-yonīni bhūtāni\nsarvāṇi iti upadhāraya\nahaṁ kṛtsnasya jagataḥ\nprabhavaḥ pralayas tathā\nAham: \"I am.\" The Māyāvādī philosophers cannot accommodate this idea, how a person can be the cause of creation, maintenance and annihilation. But Kṛṣṇa here says that ahaṁ kṛtsnasya. Ahaṁ kṛtsnasya jagataḥ prabhavaḥ pralayas tathā. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7], because He is the origin of all energies.\nWe have already understood that the whole manifestation is nothing but, I mean to say, demonstration of the different types of energies of the Supreme Lord. That is confirmed in the Vedas: parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8, Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport]. The Absolute Truth has varieties of energies, and they are so perfect and so perfectly working that it appears...\nSvābhāvikī jñāna-bala-kriyā ca. You take a flower, nice flower, how it is nicely painted, how it is symmetrically colored. But it is sprouting from the bud automatically. So we are seeing that if flower is coming out automatically... There is no such thing automatically. It is Kṛṣṇa's energy which is working there. It is Kṛṣṇa's energy.\nAnd if the energies are so perfect that we see that it is working automatically, that is because our energy is so limited. If I want to paint one nice flower, I have to arrange for so many things. I have to arrange for the colors, I have to arrange for the brush. I must have the requisite knowledge how to paint it. I have to devote some time for learning how to paint, then actually paint.\nSo many things required. But Kṛṣṇa's energies are so perfect that it appears svābhāvikī jñāna-bala-kriyā ca: flowers automatically coming out. That we have to study. And when you concentrate in that study with bhāva, then you can understand Kṛṣṇa, how He is working, how He is the original source of everything. That requires little brain.\nTherefore unless one has got very fine brain, he cannot understand Kṛṣṇa. Gross brain cannot understand. In order to make our brain and senses very purified and fine, we have to take to devotional service. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. That fine brain and purified senses can be achieved. Just like you can get relief from diseased condition of life, similarly, the brain is already there; it will become finer, it will become subtler to understand Kṛṣṇa when we are able to give up our all material designations.\nAt the present moment I am thinking, feeling and willing under different designation. I am thinking, \"I am this body.\" I am thinking, \"I am Indian.\" I am thinking, \"I am American,\" \"I am Russian,\" \"I am Pakistani.\" These are upādhis. But if you practice devotional service, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then you become free from this contamination of designation. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. Nirmalam means completely freed from all dirty things. These are all dirty things.\nAs soon as I think that \"I am this, I am that, I am that...\" Just like in the Bhagavad-gītā we have understood that the body is simply just like a dress. So suppose I am dressed in orange color robes. If I think, \"I am orange color,\" is that very nice intelligence? Similarly, as soon as I think in terms of my body, in my nationality, in my creed, in my being—they are all designation.\nSo purification of the senses made by devotional service, bhakti-yogena, nirmalam... That is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam also:\ntato rajas-tamo-bhāvāḥ\nkāma-lobhādayaś ca ye\netair ceta anāviddhaṁ\nsthitaṁ sattve prasīdati\n[SB 1.2.19]\nnaṣṭa-prāyeṣv abhadreṣu\nnityaṁ bhāgavata-sevayā\n[SB 1.2.18]\nBy daily, regular study or serving Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, anything in relationship with Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead... Naṣṭa-prāyeṣu abhadreṣu nityaṁ bhāgavata-sevayā. These abhadras, this designations, can be eradicated simply by regular service to bhāgavatam. Bhāgavatam means the person who is a devotee, he is also bhāgavata, and the literatures which describe about Kṛṣṇa, that is also Bhāgavata.\nSo we have to associate with devotees. Satāṁ prasaṅgān mama vīrya-saṁvido bhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ kathāḥ [SB 3.25.25]. If you associate with devotees, with pure devotees... And who is a pure devotee?\nanyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ\njñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam\nānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-\nśīlanaṁ bhaktir uttamā\n[Brs.1.1.11]\nThose who are executing devotional service without any material desire. Not that I render to service..., I render service to Kṛṣṇa to fulfill some material desire. That is not pure devotee. Pure devotion is ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-śīlanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]: simply take to such work and activities which will favorably dispose Kṛṣṇa. Sva-karmaṇā tam abhyarcya saṁsiddhiṁ labhate parām [Bg. 18.46]. Svanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam [SB 1.2.13]. As soon as we simply take to such activities as will please the Supreme Personality of Lord, Personality of Godhead... Ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-śīlanam. Ānukūlyena. As Kṛṣṇa becomes favorably inclined, we have to please Kṛṣṇa. Saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam.\nSo we do not know what is Hari, what is God, what is Kṛṣṇa and what is our activity to please Him. That we have to learn. That you have to learn satāṁ prasaṅgāt, by association with devotees. Satāṁ prasaṅgāt. Just like if you are a businessman, suppose a sharebroker, if you are a member of the stock exchange, your business is flourishing. You get most opportunities.\nThe scientists, they make some association. Every particular... The lawyers, they make an association, Bar Association. That is needed. The engineer, they make an association. The doctors, they make a medical club. Similarly, if you have to learn Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then you have to admit yourself with the Society for Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is necessary.\nSatāṁ prasaṅgāt mama vīrya-saṁvido bhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ kathāḥ. Unless you associate with practical devotees, you cannot understand or you cannot relish the transcendental nature of Lord Kṛṣṇa. Bhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ. Pleasing, rasāyanāḥ; relishing some mellows, transcendental mellows. How? Satāṁ prasaṅgāt: simply in the association. Sādhu-saṅge sato vṛtte. Rūpa Gosvāmī instructs that,\nutsāhān dhairyāt niścayāt\ntat-tat-karma-pravartanāt\nsādhu-saṅge sato vṛtteḥ\nṣaḍbhir bhaktiḥ prasidhyati\n[Upadeśāmṛta 3]\nIf you actually..., if you are actually serious to understand Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then you must be very much energetic, utsāhān: \"Yes, I shall learn this art verily in this life.\" You must be fixed up, dṛḍha-vratāḥ. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is called dṛḍha-vratāḥ. Bhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ [Bg. 7.28]. That determination should be \"Yes.\"\nJust like Prahlāda [Dhruva] Mahārāja, five-years-old boy. Nārada Mahārāja said, \"My dear boy, you are king's son. You cannot undergo so much severe austerity. Why you are feeling so much insulted by your stepmother? Please go home.\" And Prahlāda..., Dhruva Mahārāja replied, \"My dear sir, what you are saying, it is all right. But I am a son of kṣatriya. I am unpolite. I cannot accept your advice. I must see God. Please show me the way how I can get Him.\" That is determination, a five-years-old boy saying, \"I must see God in this life. If you know something, how to do it, please explain that. Don't try to deviate me.\" That is determination.\nSo that determination means utsāhā, \"I must.\" That is necessary. Not that \"When Kṛṣṇa will be pleased, then I shall take to it.\" Kṛṣṇa is always pleased upon you. But we are not taking His process. Kṛṣṇa says, everyone,\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\nBut we are not doing that. Why should we say that \"When Kṛṣṇa is merciful, then I shall do\"? Kṛṣṇa is already merciful. But if we do not take it, then what Kṛṣṇa will do? Kṛṣṇa does not touch on your little individuality or little independence.\nSo therefore we have... Just like when we earn money, we are very enthusiastic; similarly, if we want to earn Kṛṣṇa consciousness, if we want to earn that position, go back to home, back to Godhead, we must be very much enthusiastic, utsāhān. And dhairyāt. Dhairyāt means patience: \"Oh, I am executing Kṛṣṇa consciousness according to the rules and regulation, I mean, still, I am not yet perfect?\" So don't be impatient. Be patient.\nThe example is that any woman desires a child. So when she is married, it is supposed that she will get a child. But if she wants immediately child after being married, that is not possible. She must be patient, then in due course she will be pregnant and there will be child. Similarly, if we are patient, at the same time very much energetic, utsāhād dhairyāt, and tat-tat-karma-pravartanāt... But we must take to the regulative principles by which we can make advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Tat-tat-karma-pravartanāt sato vṛtteḥ.\nAnd our occupation should be very nice, honest. Sādhu-saṅge, the sādhu-saṅge, in the association of devotees. These six things: utsāhād dhairyāt niścayād and sato vṛtteḥ, sādhu-saṅga, tat-tat-karma. These six kinds of devotional service will make you perfect. Ṣaḍbhir bhaktiḥ prasidhyati. These six kinds of activities will make your devotional service perfect. Anything, if you want to do, if you want to learn, there are different regulative principles, anywhere.\nSo similarly, for understanding Kṛṣṇa consciousness, for enter into the kingdom of Kṛṣṇa, we have to adopt this means. And similarly, there are counteractivities also. The counteractivities also kill our Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So we have to be very cautious not to accept the counteractivities, but we have to take the favorable activities. Ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-śīlanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167].\nSo Kṛṣṇa says that,\nmattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat\nkiñcid asti dhanañjaya\nmayi sarvam idaṁ protaṁ\nsūtre maṇi-gaṇā iva\n[Bg. 7.7]\n\"Everything is resting on Me, just like the pearls are remaining on the thread.\" Kṛṣṇa is the thread, and all these universes, all this cosmic manifestation and their different activities in different planets, they are all resting on the thread of Kṛṣṇa. Therefore He is the original source of everything.\nHow you can accept Kṛṣṇa as ordinary man, I do not know. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ [Bg. 9.11]. They are described as mūḍhas. They do not know. Although it is all explained here in the Bhagavad-gītā, but they will not accept Kṛṣṇa in that way. They will manufacture a different way of understanding Kṛṣṇa. Therefore they are deviated. Therefore, after studying thousand times Bhagavad-gītā, they are all in darkness as they were in the beginning. That is the result. But if you take Bhagavad-gītā as it is, without any malinterpretation, without exercising your brain to manufacture something out of Bhagavad-gītā, then naturally you become Kṛṣṇa conscious and your life is successful.\nHere it is stated, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7]: \"There is no more superior factor than Me.\" Then how we can think of Kṛṣṇa as ordinary human being? What is your answer? How do you form such idea? These are the challenges by Kṛṣṇa. And I cannot understand how Kṛṣṇa is accepted as ordinary person. Then either you don't believe in Bhagavad-gītā— that is a different thing—but don't try to malinterpret, wrongly interpret Bhagavad-gītā in your own way. That will not help you.\nYou can propound your own philosophy, as you like. Everyone has got the right. Nāsau munir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam [Cc. Madhya 17.186]: \"One cannot be a philosopher, muni, thoughtful man, unless he has got a different philosophy.\" That's a fact. Everyone wants to propound a type of philosophical method and tries to become famous. That is the natural way. But you make your philosophical presentation in different way. You have got right. But don't try to interpret in Bhagavad-gītā in your own way. That cannot be accepted. And that will not give you the effect of Bhagavad-gītā. You have to accept Bhagavad-gītā as it is.\nOur this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, we are not presenting Kṛṣṇa in a different way. Our only method is to present Kṛṣṇa as He is. That is our... If there is any credit for this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement or for us, now, our credit is that we are not adulterating Bhagavad-gītā. We are simply presenting Bhagavad-gītā as it is. And by Kṛṣṇa's grace it is being understood very easily all over the world, and they are accepting it, that one God, Kṛṣṇa; one philosophy, Bhagavad-gītā; and one hymn, Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra; and one nation, Kṛṣṇa conscious people. Just push this movement and the world will be happy. Don't create God: \"Here is a incarnation of Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSometimes we accept somebody as God because he says that \"I am the same Kṛṣṇa. I am the same Rāma,\" believing on his word. All right, accept that he may be the same Rāma and same Kṛṣṇa. But when Kṛṣṇa is there, why should we accept an imitation Kṛṣṇa? Why? Suppose if you go to purchase some medicine in a drug shop and the shopkeeper says, \"Here is a medicine, sir, which is equally good, but the price is very cheap. You can take it,\" and if you are sane man, you will say, \"No, no. I don't want it. Give me that original. Why shall I take this? Let it be cheaper, but I don't want it.\"\nSimilarly, why should we accept so-called incarnation of Kṛṣṇa? We should accept Kṛṣṇa, original Kṛṣṇa. Original Kṛṣṇa is there. Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa's words are identical. When you read Bhagavad-gītā, you are exactly in front of Kṛṣṇa, as Arjuna was in front of Kṛṣṇa while Kṛṣṇa was personally speaking. That is transcendental nature of Kṛṣṇa. Why He has left this instruction? Because if we accept the teachings of Kṛṣṇa, Bhagavad-gītā, immediately we are in presence of Kṛṣṇa. Just like the other day I cited the example of the illiterate brāhmaṇa.\nSo that is transcendental way of understanding Kṛṣṇa. Take this formula. Kṛṣṇa says here that everything that is working in this material or spiritual world, they are different energies of Kṛṣṇa. He is the original source of creation, He is the original source of maintenance and He is the original source of annihilation. Therefore nobody is greater than Him.\nMattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat [Bg. 7.7]. Na anyat: \"There is no other greater elevated.\" Kiñcid asti: \"Not even one.\" You cannot say, \"Here is something which is greater than Kṛṣṇa.\" That is not possible. Na anyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya. Mayi sarvam idaṁ protaṁ sūtre maṇi-gaṇā iva. Just like in your necklace, pearl necklace, all the pearls are situated in the thread, similarly, Kṛṣṇa is the thread, and everything existing. This will be explained more explicitly in the Thirteenth Chapter.\nmayā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ\njagad avyakta-mūrtinā\nmat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni\nnāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ\n[Bg. 9.4]\nSo all the śāstric conclusion is... Now, so far the universes are concerned, that is also stated in the Brahma-saṁhitā:\nyasyaika-niśvasita-kālam athāvalambya\njīvanti loma-vilajā jagad-aṇḍa-nāthāḥ\nviṣṇur mahān sa iha yasya kalā-viśeṣo\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.48]\nSo Govinda, the ādi-puruṣa, whose plenary portion is Mahā-Viṣṇu. And what is Mahā-Viṣṇu's activity? That He is lying in the Causal Ocean, and while He is breathing, with His breathing only, innumerable universes are coming out. And universes, innumerable universes are going into Him. In this way He is sleeping. That Mahā-Viṣṇu is the plenary portion of Kṛṣṇa.\nSo we have to believe in the śāstras, and there is no other way for understanding Kṛṣṇa. What is beyond our imagination, beyond our mental cultivation, beyond the reach of our senses, we have to accept authority. Exactly in the same way, just like we have to accept somebody as our father simply on the version of mother, similarly, we have no information of Kṛṣṇa, but we have got Kṛṣṇa's books, we have got Vedic literature, and if we study... Śāstra-cakṣuṣāt: you have to see through the śāstras. Then you will understand Kṛṣṇa and your life will be successful.\nThank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [applause] [end]",
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"content": "\n ...Prahlāda Mahārāja, at the age of five years only, he was a great devotee. Prahlāda Mahārāja is one of the mahājana, great authority of this line, devotional line.\n[aside:] You can take your seat.\nTo understand God and to understand our relationship with God, it is not to be done by mental speculation. It is not possible. God is not so cheap thing that one can understand by mental speculation. In the present age people are very much fond of mental speculation. In the śāstra it is said, tarko apratiṣṭhaḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]: \"Simply by arguing you cannot come to the right conclusion.\" You may be very good arguer, but another arguer may defeat you by his argument. So in this way, simply by dry arguments it is not possible to come to the conclusion.\nTarko 'pratiṣṭha śrutayo vibhinnāḥ. Scripture. There are different scriptures, so if you simply... Scripture means Vedic, the Vedas. There are four Vedas and many other also, corollaries. So by studying at home these books, that is also not possible to understand. And nāsau munir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam. And if you follow philosophers, so one philosopher is differing from another philosopher. Just like our Śyāmasundara has brought one book, Ideas of Philosophers, different philosophers talking differently. So how you can take the conclusion? Even Aristotle, he is talking so many things nonsense. So mental speculators, philosophers, in this way you cannot.\nDharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyām. Actually, the purport of religion and God is very confidential. Therefore, to understand it, one has to follow the great authorities, mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. Mahājana. So that mahājanas, great authorities, are also mentioned, who are mahājanas, authorities. So,\nsvayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ\nkumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ\nprahlādo janako bhīṣmo\nbalir vaiyāsakir vayam\n[SB 6.3.20]\nEverything is there in the śāstras. If you simply refer to śāstras for the right source of knowledge, then you get. In the Bhagavad-gītā also it is said, yaḥ śāstra-vidhim utsṛjya. If you do things without reference to the śāstras, then, Lord Kṛṣṇa says, na siddhiṁ sa avapnoti: \"You will never get perfection.\" Na sukham: \"Neither happiness.\"\nThis Prahlāda Mahārāja, although he was a five-years-old boy, he became an authority in the devotional line. So his father was atheist. He wanted that his son should be politicians. He should be taught how to cheat others, how to get money. But this boy was devotee. The difficulty was a devotee is not accustomed to all these tricks of materialistic way of life. They are not interested in such things. Purposefully, they avoid all these things, because devotional life means coming to the original position.\nOriginal position is that we are part and parcel of God; therefore our original position is godly—not exactly like God, but godly. Just like gold and a particle of gold is also gold. A drop of ocean water contains the same chemical composition. Similarly, qualitatively we are as good as God in our original position. Now we are covered by this material body, but as soon as we take to the devotional service, that is our original position. Then very quickly we develop our good qualities, original godly qualities. Yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā sarvair guṇair tatra samāsate surāḥ [SB 5.18.12].\nSo devotees are generally very good, godly qualities. Just like Arjuna. Arjuna, he was insulted by his brothers, his wife was insulted, his kingdom was usurped, taken away, that..., forced to go to the forest for twelve years. So many troubles they had to undergo due to the political intrigue by the cousin-brothers. Still, while he was in front of fighting, he thought, \"What is the use of fighting and killing my cousin-brothers? Better let them enjoy. I retire. Kṛṣṇa, I cannot fight,\" he said. Why? Because he was a devotee. He was prepared to forego his claim. It is not that he was a coward. He was a great warrior, fighter. He could fight immediately. But because he was devotee, he was avoiding, trying to avoid fight, \"No.\" This is godly quality.\nSo in order to induce him to fight, Kṛṣṇa had to speak to him the whole Bhagavad-gītā. When he understood that \"Although I do not wish to fight, Kṛṣṇa desires,\" then he took: \"All right. Then I change my decision, because Kṛṣṇa's desire is my first duty.\" That is devotee's duty. If Kṛṣṇa says, God says, to devotee that \"You jump on the fire,\" he will do immediately. That is devotee: without any argument. So there is no consideration. Just like commander in the military active field. The commander says, \"You jump in this fire,\" he jumps. He knows that \"I'll surely die.\" Similarly, a devotee, fully surrendered devotee, means he is prepared to do anything for God. That is pure devotee.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja was a devotee and he was a child. So his father thought that \"He is taking good education in politics, in diplomacy.\" So one day he asked the boy, \"My dear boy, will you kindly say what nice things you have learned from your teachers?\" Prahrādānūcyatāṁ tāta svadhītaṁ kiñcid uttamam [SB 7.5.22]: \"My dear son Prahlāda, will you kindly explain what you have learned very good things from your teacher?\" Svadhītaṁ kiñcid uttamam: \"Very selected best things what you have learned,\" ucyatam, \"please explain.\" Kālena etāvatā āyuṣman yad aśikṣad guror bhavān: \"You have taken lessons from your teachers\"—Hiraṇyakaśipu appointed some special teachers for teaching Prahlāda Mahārāja—\"so tell me what you have learned.\"\nAnd Prahlāda Mahārāja says,\nśravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ\nsmaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam\narcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyaṁ\nsakhyam ātma-nivedanam\niti puṁsārpitā viṣṇau\nbhaktiṣ cen nava-lakṣaṇā\nkriyeta bhagavaty addhā\ntan manye 'dhītam uttamam\n[SB 7.5.23–24]\nHe wanted to know from the son what best knowledge he has received. He said, \"This is the best knowledge.\" Tan manye adhītam uttamam: \"I think he has learned very nice thing. His education is first class.\" Who? Now, \"Who is always engaged in śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇu—who is always engaged in chanting and hearing about the glories of Lord Viṣṇu.\"\nThis chanting and hearing which we perform—not chanting of any demigod. Viṣṇu, only of Viṣṇu. The chanting and hearing is not recommended for... Suppose if you chant and hear of the queen. That is not recommended. What to speak of queen, even of Lord Brahmā or Lord Śiva.\nyas tu nārāyaṇaṁ devaṁ\nbrahma-rudrādi-daivataiḥ\nsamatvena vīkṣeta\nsa pāsaṇḍī bhaved dhruvam\n[Cc. Madhya 18.116]\n\"Anyone who thinks that the Supreme Personality of Godhead Nārāyaṇa is as good as the demigods, he's a rascal, he's a fool.\" Sa pāsaṇḍī bhaved dhruvam. And in the Bhagavad-gītā also it is said, kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ yajante anya-devatāḥ [Bg. 7.20]: \"Those who are worshiping other demigods, they are hṛta-jñānāḥ. Their knowledge is lost.\" That requires a very big explanation. So one thing is that you should never place or put the demigods on equal footing with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is a great offense.\nSo here it is said, śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ [SB 7.5.23]: \"To hear and chant about the glories of Lord Viṣṇu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\" Smaranam pada sevanam. Nine different types of devotional service. So śravaṇaṁ, hearing. If you simply hear, that is also devotional service. Just like you are all coming. If you simply hear Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Bhagavad-gītā, where there is description of the glories of the Lord, that is also devotional service. You don't require any education to read books or Vedic literature. Simply if you hear, śravaṇaṁ. Just like Parīkṣit Mahārāja. Parīkṣit Mahārāja, at the end of his life, he simply heard from Śukadeva Gosvāmī Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam seven days, and he became liberated. That is śravaṇaṁ.\nEither you execute all the nine different types of devotional service...\nśravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ [viṣṇoḥ]\nsmaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam\narcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyaṁ\nsakhyam ātma-nivedanam\n[SB 7.5.23]\nThere are nine different processes. They are one, but it appears like different. Just like you are hearing, I am speaking, but both of them are the same, because while you are hearing, I am also hearing. So they are absolute. But still, as it is convenient, you can accept any one of them and you advance in devotional service.\nSo he said, śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇu smaraṇam. If you have no time to hear, to go to the temple or to hear the speeches of the ācāryas, at home you can simply remember the Lord. This Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa mūrti, if you simply remember, meditate, that will also do. Smaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam. Pāda-sevanam means to serve, giving service, rendering service to the lotus feet of the Lord, just like devotees do. They bring flowers, tulasī, and offer to the lotus feet of the Lord. The worshiping of the Lord begins from the leg, from the lotus feet, not directly to the head. That is the way. So pāda-sevanam.\nThen arcanam. Arcanam means the offering ārātrika, offering bhoga, cleansing the Deity room and dressing the Lord, changing the flowers. These are called arcanam. Vandanam: if you cannot do this, then offer prayers. Just like in Christian Church they offers prayers. That is also bhakti, devotional service. The Muslims, they offer prayers. Any way. Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ smaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam, arcanaṁ vandanam. Vandanam means offering prayer. Dāsyam. \nDāsyam means to work as menial servant of the Lord. Dāsyam. Sakhyam, to make friendship with the Lord, just like Arjuna did. He treated Kṛṣṇa as his friend, and by making friendship with Kṛṣṇa he became liberated. Sakhyam. And ātma-nivedanam. Ātma-nivedanam means giving everything to the Lord, even his body, wealth and everything, just like Bali Mahārāja did.\nSo,\nśravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ\nsmaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam\narcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyaṁ\nsakhyam ātma-nivedanam\n[SB 7.5.23]\n[aside:] Don't make that sound.\nIti puṁsārpitā viṣṇau bhaktiś cet nava-lakṣaṇā. Iti. Again he says, \"All these services, when rendered to Lord Viṣṇu,\" the bhaktiś cet nava-lakṣaṇā, \"nine different types of devotional service,\" kriyeta bhagavaty addhā, \"those who are engaged in such services,\" tan manye adhītam uttamam, \"I think they are the most advanced learned. That is the end of education.\" Tan manye adhītam uttamam.\nSo anyone who is engaged in devotional service, it should be understood that they are free, they are now liberated from all sinful resultant action of life. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: māṁ cāvyabhicāriṇi-bhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate. Anyone who is unflinchingly, without any deviation, engaged in this kinds of devotional service, śravaṇaṁ kīrtanam, māṁ ca 'vyabhicāriṇi, without any motive, without any purpose, simply to serve the Supreme Lord, with this purpose only... Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Brs. 1.1.11], without any purpose of material profit, simply \"It is my duty to serve Lord,\" on this stage, it is said in the Bhagavad-gītā, that,\nmāṁ cāvyabhicāriṇi\nbhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate\nsa guṇān samatītyaitān\nbrahma-bhūyāya kalpate\n[Bg. 14.26]\n\"Such persons immediately becomes liberated from the bondage of three modes of material nature.\" Sa guṇān samatītyaitān.\nGreat philosophers, great yogīs, they are undergoing severe type of austerities. Why? Just to get out of the clutches of these three modes of material nature, the three modes of material nature: goodness, passion and ignorance. Everyone is being conducted under the influence of these different types of material nature. Even in this material world, goodness, that is also bondage, and what to speak of passion and ignorance. So Kṛṣṇa says anyone who is engaged in devotional service, immediately, sa samatītyaitān guṇān. Etān guṇān means these three qualities of material nature, brahma-bhūyāya kalpate [Bg. 14.26]. That is real stage of ahaṁ brahmāsmi.\nŚaṅkarācārya taught his philosophy to develop your consciousness to the platform of Brahman understanding. When one understands himself that \"I am not this body. I do not belong to this material world. I am spirit soul,\" that is Brahman understanding. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā [Bg. 18.54]. At that time he becomes very jolly. So there are many different process of austerities to come to this platform of Brahman understanding, but if one is engaged in this devotional service, sravanam kīrtanam viṣṇu, he is to be understood as already on the Brahman platform. Therefore, Prahlāda Mahārāja says, \"I think such person has studied completely. His knowledge is perfect.\" Tan manye adhītam uttamam.\nniśamyaitat suta-vaco\nhiraṇyakaśipus tadā\nguru-putram uvācedaṁ\nruṣā-prasphuritādharaḥ\n[SB 7.5.25]\nWhen he heard, the atheist father, \"Oh, this boy is speaking nonsense,\" you see, so he became very much angry. Ruṣā. Ruṣā means became too much angry. Ruṣā-prasphuritādharaḥ. His lips were throbbing, he was so angry. Immediately called the teachers, \"Come on!\" Guru-putram uvācedaṁ ruṣā, brahma-bandho kim etat te vipakṣaṁ śrayatāsatā. \"I gave my child, my boy, to be educated by you. What sort of education you have given him? He is talking nonsense, devotional service. I wanted to make him politician, diplomat, tricky, and you have taught him śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ [SB 7.5.23]?\" [laughter] You see?\nThat is still going on. That is still going on. When I wanted to start this movement in India, I approached many friends, \"Sir, you have got four boys. Give me one boy. I want to make him devotee.\" They refused. \"Oh,\" he will say, \"Swāmījī, what will be the benefit by becoming devotee? After all, he has to earn his livelihood.\" [laughter] Nobody agreed.\nNobody agreed. Everyone wants that his son should be hard working, just like hogs and dogs, and satisfy senses. That's all. Everyone wants. That is civilization. Nobody wants that his son should be a devotee. They will not tolerate that. If somebody's son comes to us to become devotee, I have experienced, the father and mother immediately comes: \"Oh, Swāmījī, what you are doing?\" But his son becomes hippie—he will tolerate. That he will tolerate. But he becomes devotee—\"Oh, we can't tolerate. How can we...?\" You see? This is the nature.\nThis is the nature. If one son is going astray by drinking, \"Oh, young men, they can do that.\" But he becomes a devotee, he immediately becomes warned, \"Oh, what danger is!\" [laughter] \"He is going to be a devotee.\" This is the nature of demons. If the father, mother are demons, how you can expect nice child? You see? That is the defect of the modern civilization. Therefore the whole world is unhappy. There is need of devotees, need of real brāhmaṇa. That is wanted. Therefore this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement... Even a certain little percentage of people become Kṛṣṇa conscious, the whole face of the world will change. It is so nice.\nSo Hiraṇyakaśipu did not like that his son was becoming a devotee. So he chastised the teachers, because he was king, emperor, very powerful. He conquered all the universal planets, he was so powerful. So the teachers became very much threatened. So when they were asked, \"What nonsense you have taught my boy, spoiled? He has become a devotee,\" so they said,\nna mat praṇītaṁ na para-praṇītaṁ\nsuto vadaty eṣa tavendra-śatro\nnaisargikīyaṁ matir asya rājan\nniyaccha manyuṁ kad adāḥ sma mā naḥ\n[SB 7.5.28]\nSo the teacher said, \"Sir, we have not taught this. I do not know how your son has learned all this devotional service. By nature he is so like that.\" Prahlāda Mahārāja was doing that. Because the teachers were very much cautious that \"This Prahlāda has got tendency to become a devotee,\" so they were very careful. But Prahlāda Mahārāja, what he did do, as soon as there is tiffin hour, all the teachers gone, he would immediately call all the class friend and stand up on the bench and speak on bhagavad-bhakti. Perhaps you have seen that picture. That teaching is there. If there is time we shall..., how he was teaching his class friend to become devotee.\nJust like our boys going on the street try to teach all others how to learn devotional service. This is our business. Prahlāda Mahārāja is our ācārya, former ācārya. So following his footsteps, we have to do that. Everyone did that, preaching. Preaching is required. People are in ignorance. They do not know what is God, what is his relationship with God. Therefore preaching is necessary. So Prahlāda Mahārāja was doing that. Therefore the teacher said that naisargikīyaṁ matir asya rājan niyaccha manyum: \"Don't be unnecessarily angry upon us. We did not teach him. By nature he is like that.\"\nSo this is also another feature, that why one becomes devotee, why the other does not become? That means in his former life he was a devotee. It could not be finished in one life, but in this life automatically he is trying to become devotee. Therefore devotional service is so nice that even if you cannot finish the whole course in one life, next life you are guaranteed to get a very nice birth so that you can develop further.\nThat is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭoḥ sañjāyate [Bg. 6.41]. When Kṛṣṇa..., er, Arjuna inquired from Kṛṣṇa that \"A yogī, he cannot finish his duty, or yogic process, in one life. Then what happens? He becomes neither this way or that way?\" Kṛṣṇa said, \"No. Whatever he has finished, that is his permanent assets.\nNext life he begins from that point and he gets the opportunity of take birth\"—śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe—\"he is given birth in very nice family, either in very nice brāhmaṇa family or very rich family.\" In these two places one gets the opportunity to increase his Kṛṣṇa consciousness very easily. If he gets his birth in a nice brāhmaṇa family, automatically he is trained in that way. And if he gets his birth in a rich family, he has no economic demand. He hasn't got to earn. He can save the time for developing Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo those who are born in rich family, they should know that \"By the grace of Kṛṣṇa, by the grace of Lord, we are born with silver spoon. But we should utilize this opportunity.\" Not only rich man; every human being should be conscious to utilize this human form of life to understand God. That is the highest perfection of life. Otherwise it is animal life. The animal life means the animals are also eating, sleeping, mating and defending. So if we are simply engaged with four principles of bodily demand and do not inquire about the Brahman—athāto brahma jijñāsā, that is the Vedānta-sūtra—then we are no better than animals.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja was in his... Before his birth he was taught by Nārada Muni. Therefore naturally he was in devotional service. So he was executing, the boy. Devotional service... If one is devotee, he cannot sit down silently. He wants to preach God's glories to others, even at the risk of life, like Lord Jesus Christ did it. Even at the risk of life, he preached God consciousness. That is the duty of a devotee. Lord Nityānanda did it, Haridāsa Ṭhākura did it. There are many instances, a devotee risked life for preaching glories of God.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja also doing that. He knew that \"My father is nothing but a ferocious animal, Hiraṇyakaśipu.\" Even big, big demigods would be threatened by his red eyes, he was so powerful. Still, he was executing devotional service at the risk of life. And he was put to so many dangerous condition of life. Still, he did not give up.\nThen if we try to understand Prahlāda Mahārāja's character... Now, at the present moment the teacher said that naisargikīyaṁ matir asya rājan: \"My dear king, your boy, this tendency of God consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is by nature. We never taught him. Please don't be angry with us unnecessarily.\" Niyaccha manyum. \"Please give up your anger.\"\nNiyaccha manyuṁ kad adāḥ sma mā naḥ: \"Don't degrade us in that way.\" So he was king. He could understand that the boy is..., by nature he is doing that. Then he inquired, \"Prahlāda, wherefrom you have learned this art of God consciousness? Tell me. Wherefrom you have got this Kṛṣṇa consciousness?\"\nThen Prahlāda Mahārāja, explaining to his father,\nprahlada uvāca\nmatir na kṛṣṇe parato svato vā\nmitho 'bhipadyeta gṛha-vratānām\n[SB 7.5.30]\nGṛha-vratānām: \"those who have taken it as vow to be happy in this material world.\" Therefore they are called gṛha-vrata. Gṛhastha... There are two words in Sanskrit language. One is gṛha-stha, and one is gṛha-vrata, or gṛha-medhi. Gṛhastha means gṛhastha-āśrama. As soon as... Those who are conversant with Vedic language, they know: āśrama means something in connection with God. That is called āśrama. So gṛhastha-āśrama means one may live with family, children, wife, children, friends—that's all right. Live. Whatever life is suitable for you, you accept. But you chase Kṛṣṇa consciousness, cultivate Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is āśrama.\nTherefore it is called brahmacārī-āśrama, gṛhastha-āśrama, vānaprastha-āśrama, sannyāsa-āśrama. This is varṇāśrama, four varṇas and four āśramas. We are wrongly called Hindus. This is a wrong designation given by the Muhammadans. We don't find this word in any Vedic literature, \"Hindu.\" It is a foreign word.\nReal..., real word is varṇāśrama. Varnāśramācāravatā puruṣeṇa parā pumān. That is Vedic civilization: four varṇas and four āśramas. Four varṇas means brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra, and four āśrama means brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. One who follow this system of civilization, they are called varṇāśramī.\nSo the \"Hindu\" is a foreign name given to these Indians by the neighborhood Muhammadans. Actually, \"Hindu\" is not to be found. So when we call ourselves Hindus, that is misconception of Indian civilization. Real concept of Indian civilization, Vedic civilization, is varṇāśrama dharma. In the Viṣṇu Purāṇa it is said,\nvarṇāśramācāravatā\npuruṣeṇa parā pumān\nviṣṇur ārādhyate puṁsāṁ\nnānyat tat-toṣa-kāraṇam\n[Cc. Madhya 8.58]\nSo here it is said, called, gṛha-vratānām. Gṛha-vrata means those who have taken this family life or material life as all in all. That's all. Vrata. Vrata means vow. \"I shall improve my family condition,\" \"I shall improve my social condition,\" \"I shall improve the international condition\" or \"political condition.\" All these things, they are called gṛha-vratānām.\nThey have no idea that beyond this life there is another life. Therefore they are stuck up with this idea. They are called gṛha-vrata. Generally, at the present moment, everyone is gṛha-vrata. That's all. They simply want, \"How to improve my economic condition.\" That's all. Individually, socially, family wise, internationally or nationally, that is their aim. They are called gṛha-vrata.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja said, because he knew that his father is number one gṛha-vrata, atheist number one and materialist number one, so when he inquired, \"How you developed Kṛṣṇa consciousness?\" he said immediately, flatly, to his father, \"My dear father, don't worry. You will never will have Kṛṣṇa consciousness. [laughter]\nBecause you are so much attached to this materialistic way of life, be sure you will never increase your devotion to Kṛṣṇa. Be sure. Don't be agitated.\" Yes. Matir na kṛṣṇe parato svato vā mitho 'bhipadyeta gṛha-vratānām. \"Those who have taken this vow, for them there is no possibility of increasing or culturing Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There is no possibility.\"\nThese boys who have come to me, and they have become so nice devotee, because they are not gṛha-vrata, they have no interest with this material world. That is their first-class qualification. Therefore they have come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If anyone wants to make his economic position developed by Kṛṣṇa consciousness, don't do that; there is no possibility.\nOf course, Kṛṣṇa is very kind. If anyone wants... Just like Dhruva Mahārāja wanted to develop his economic condition. Kṛṣṇa gave him. Kṛṣṇa gives. He is very kind. But that is not the purpose of developing Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa consciousness should be pure—simply to serve the Lord.\nanyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ\njñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam\nānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-\nśīlanaṁ bhaktir uttamā\n[Brs.1.1.11]\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja first of all said, \"My dear father, anyone whose vow is to live in this material world very comfortably, although there is no possibility of comfort...\" This is called māyā. But they are trying to be comfortable. They are trying to be comfortable. Punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām [SB 7.5.30]. They have seen that Roman Empire was lost, Greek Empire was lost, Mogul Empire was lost; still, they tried for British Empire, and it has failed. They are called punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām. The things which have been thrown away after chewing, again chewing the same thing. That is called gṛha-vratānām.\nYou cannot make any permanent settlement within this material world. That is not possible. The nature is made so, whatever you do, for the time being you relish that \"I have done something, I am now very comfortably situated,\" and so on, so on, but time will come, you will be kicked off from your position. You will be again thrown into the wilderness. Therefore they do not know. That will be explained also. They do not know what is the aim of life. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇum [SB 7.5.31]. They do not know. They are foolish. Andhā yathāndhair. Their foolish leaders also misleading them.\nSo this will be explained by Prahlāda Mahārāja. This is very nice instruction. You please come tomorrow, I shall speak also tomorrow.\nThank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]",
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"content": "\n You want to answer any questions? [to guests:] Questions relating to tonight's lecture, pertaining to this philosophy of Prahlāda Mahārāja, please ask. You are free to ask any questions.\n Śrīla Prabhupāda, in the beginning, the sravanam is hearing... I was discussing this with somebody, and they said that reading of books silently is no good. Is this true? Does one have to recite aloud while one is reading? To read Bhagavad-gītā...",
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"content": "\n Reading is also smaraṇam. That śravaṇam, kīrtanam, smaraṇam. It is clear? Śravaṇam means hearing, kīrtanam means chanting, and smaraṇam. When you read, you remember God's activities, Kṛṣṇa's activities, His devotees' activities. Therefore it is smaraṇam. This is also one of the prescribed methods. But if anyone cannot read even—suppose if he is not educated, illiterate—does it mean that he will not get Kṛṣṇa consciousness?\nHe will get, simply by hearing. The process is so perfect and nice, there is no need of education even. Illiterate person, simply if he gives aural reception submissively, he will get the benefit. Therefore it is universal; it is good for everyone—educated, noneducated, learned, fool, rich, poor, everyone. Man, woman, child, adult—everyone can take part and take benefit out of it. It is so nice.",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, if someone is hearing the holy names in the street, if the saṅkīrtana party is chanting, and they are atheists, what benefit is this for them?",
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"content": "\n There is. In time, in due course of time, he will no longer remain atheist. He'll become theist. The hearing effect is so nice that gradually he becomes theist. As our students... Not that everyone was Prahlāda Mahārāja.\nStill, by simply hearing they have come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Is it not? Yes. Simply by... [laughter] We are giving chance to hear. Our street sankīrtana is meant for that. If somebody hears a little attentively, he will get the chance to come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n Any other question?\n Śrīla Prabhupāda, Prahlāda Mahārāja's father, he said that he would never come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n \"Never\" means so long he remains a gṛha-vrata. Because his only plan was—he was a powerful king—to conquer all over the world and become happy with money and women. That's all. That is gṛha-vrata. Anyone who wants to be happy with money and women, that is called gṛha-vrata.\nSo he flatly said to his father, matir na kṛṣṇe parato svato vā mitho 'bhipadyeta gṛha-vratānām. But by good association, by Kṛṣṇa conscious association, one becomes free from this vow, gṛha-vrata. They become detached. That is the progress of devotional service. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra syāt [SB 11.2.42]. The more you advance in devotional service, the more you'll be detached from this material life.\nThat is the test. That is the test. Pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra. Anyatra means materialistic way of life. Therefore people are afraid to send their boys to us. \"Oh, he'll be disinterested. He'll not do business. He'll not become a demon.\" [laughter] That's it. They do not like.\nAll right. [end]",
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"content": "\n[Distorted audio]\n Hare Kṛṣṇa [leads devotees in chanting]\n[leads devotees in chanting mantras 1–15]\noṁ pūrṇam adaḥ pūrṇam idaṁ\npūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate\npūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya\npūrṇam evāvaśiṣyate\n[Īśo, Invocation]\n[The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the Complete Whole is also complete in itself. Because He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance.]\nīśāvāsyam idam sarvaṁ\nyat kiñca jagatyāṁ jagat\ntena tyaktena bhuñjīthā\nmā gṛdhaḥ kasya svid dhanam\n[Īśo mantra 1]\n[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]\nkurvann eveha karmāṇi\njijīviṣec chataṁ samāḥ\nevaṁ tvayi nānyatheto 'sti\nna karma lipyate nare\n[Īśo mantra 2]\n[One may aspire to live for hundreds of years if he continuously goes on working in that way, for that sort of work will not bind him to the law of karma. There is no alternative to this way for man.]\nasuryā nāma te lokā\nandhena tamasāvṛtāḥ\ntāṁs te pretyābhigacchanti\nye ke cātma-hano janāḥ\n[Īśo mantra 3]\n[\"The killer of the soul, whoever he may be, must enter into the planets known as the worlds of the faithless, full of darkness and ignorance.\"]\nanejad ekaṁ manaso javīyo\nnainad devā āpnuvan pūrvam arṣat\ntad dhāvato 'nyān atyeti tiṣṭhat\ntasminn apo mātariśvā dadhāti\n[Īśo mantra 4]\n[\"Although fixed in His abode, the Personality of Godhead is swifter than the mind and can overcome all others running. The powerful demigods cannot approach Him. Although in one place, He controls those who supply the air and rain. He surpasses all in excellence.\"]\ntad ejati tan naijati\ntad dūre tad v antike\ntad antar asya sarvasya\ntad u sarvasyāsya bāhyataḥ\n[Īśo mantra 5]\n[\"The Supreme Lord walks and does not walk. He is far away, but He is very near as well. He is within everything, and yet He is outside of everything.\"]\nyas tu sarvāṇi bhūtāny\nātmany evānupaśyati\nsarva-bhūteṣu cātmānaṁ\ntato na vijugupsate\n[Īśo mantra 6]\n[\"He who systematically sees everything in relation to the Supreme Lord, who sees all living entities as His parts and parcels, and who sees the Supreme Lord within everything never hates anything or any being.\"]\nyasmin sarvāṇi bhūtāny\nātmaivābhūd vijānataḥ\ntatra ko mohaḥ kaḥ śoka\nekatvam anupaśyataḥ\n[Īśo mantra 7]\n[\"One who always sees all living entities as spiritual sparks, in quality one with the Lord, becomes a true knower of things. What, then, can be illusion or anxiety for him?\"]\nsa paryagāc chukram akāyam avraṇam\nasnāviram śuddham apāpa-viddham\nkavir manīṣī paribhūḥ svayambhūr\nyāthātathyato 'rthān vyadadhāc chāśvatībhyaḥ samābhyaḥ\n[Īśo mantra 8]\n[\"Such a person must factually know the greatest of all, the Personality of Godhead, who is unembodied, omniscient, beyond reproach, without veins, pure and uncontaminated, the self-sufficient philosopher who has been fulfilling everyone's desire since time immemorial.\"]\nandhaṁ tamaḥ praviśanti\nye 'vidyām upāsate\ntato bhūya iva te tamo\nya u vidyāyām ratāḥ\n[Īśo mantra 9]\n[\"Those who engage in the culture of nescient activities shall enter into the darkest region of ignorance. Worse still are those engaged in the culture of so-called knowledge.\"]\nanyad evāhur vidyayā-\nnyad āhur avidyayā\niti śuśruma dhīrāṇāṁ\nye nas tad vicacakṣire\n[Īśo mantra 10]\n[\"The wise have explained that one result is derived from the culture of knowledge and that a different result is obtained from the culture of nescience.\"]\nanyad evāhuḥ sambhavād\nanyad āhur asambhavāt\niti śuśruma dhīrāṇāṁ\nye nas tad vicacakṣire\n[Īśo mantra 10]\n[\"The wise have explained that one result is derived from the culture of knowledge and that a different result is obtained from the culture of nescience.\"]\nvidyāṁ cāvidyāṁ c yas\ntad vedobhayaṁ saha\navidyayā mṛtyuṁ tīrtvā\nvidyayāmṛtam aśnute\n[Īśo mantra 11]\n[\"Only one who can learn the process of nescience and that of transcendental knowledge side by side can transcend the influence of repeated birth and death and enjoy the full blessings of immortality.\"]\nandhaṁ tamaḥ praviśanti\nye 'sambhūtim upāsate\ntato bhūya iva te tamo\nya u sambhūtyām ratāḥ\n[Īśo mantra 12]\n[\"Those who are engaged in the worship of demigods enter into the darkest region of ignorance, and still more so do the worshipers of the impersonal Absolute.\"]\nanyad evāhuḥ sambhavād\nanyad āhur asambhavāt\niti śuśruma dhīrāṇāṁ\nye nas tad vicacakṣire\n[Īśo mantra 13]\n[It is said that one result is obtained by worshiping the supreme cause of all causes and that another result is obtained by worshiping what is not supreme. All this is heard from the undisturbed authorities, who clearly explained it.]\nsambhūtiṁ ca vināśaṁ ca\nyas tad vedobhayaṁ saha\nvināśena mṛtyuṁ tīrtvā\nsambhūtyāmṛtam aśnute\n[Īśo mantra 14]\n[One should know perfectly the Personality of Godhead Śrī Kṛṣṇa and His transcendental name, form, qualities and pastimes, as well as the temporary material creation with its temporary demigods, men and animals. When one knows these, he surpasses death and the ephemeral cosmic manifestation with it, and in the eternal kingdom of God he enjoys his eternal life of bliss and knowledge.]\nhiraṇmayena pātreṇa\nsatyasyāpihitaṁ mukham\ntat tvaṁ pūṣann apāvṛṇu\nsatya-dharmāya dṛṣṭaye\n[Īśo mantra 15]\n[O my Lord, sustainer of all that lives, Your real face is covered by Your dazzling effulgence. Kindly remove that covering and exhibit Yourself to Your pure devotee.]\n Open the page. Read.",
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"content": "\n Page eighteen. \"The root of sin is deliberate disobedience to the laws of nature through not recognizing the proprietorship of the Lord; disobedience to the laws of nature, or disobedience to the order of the Lord, brings ruin to the human being.\nOn the other hand, if one is sober and knows the laws of nature, without being influenced by unnecessary attachment or abhorrence, he is sure to be recognized again by the Lord and thus become eligible for going back to Godhead, back to the eternal home.\" [Īśo mantra 1]\n[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]",
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"content": "\n Hmm. So the natural law, without being influenced by unnecessary attachment or abhorrence. There is no need of attachment for this material world, neither there is need of abhorrence. That is īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1].\nSuppose we are sitting in this temple. So, of course, for temple we should have attachment. Ordinary home, or ordinary house... Temple... We must explain. The temple is transcendental. According to Vedic civilization, to live in the forest is residential quarter in goodness, to live in the forest. Therefore, formerly, great sages and saintly persons, they used to go to the forest and live there. And the government would give them protection.\nThe king's duty was to supply them food. What sort of food? The king used to give them in charity cows, nice cows. So they would take little milk, and whatever fruits are available in the forest, that was sufficient for them. And the king would sometimes hunt ferocious animals so that they may not disturb. But actually, they do not disturb saintly persons still.\nSo to live in the forest is in the mode of goodness, and to live in the city, or town, is..., is in the mode of passion, and to live in slaughterhouse and brothel and drunkards, these are the residential quarter in ignorance. And to live in the temple is transcendental, above goodness: pure goodness.\nIn the material world goodness is sometimes mixed up with ignorance and passion, but in the spiritual world there is pure goodness—no contamination or tinges of passion and ignorance. Therefore it is called śuddha-sattva. Śuddha-sattva. Śabdam, sattvaṁ viśuddhaṁ vasudeva-śabditam [SB 4.3.23]:\n[I am always engaged in offering obeisances to Lord Vāsudeva in pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is always pure consciousness, in which the Supreme Personality of Godhead, known as Vāsudeva, is revealed without any covering.]\n\"That pure goodness is called vasudeva, and in that pure goodness one can realize God.\" Therefore God's name is Vāsudeva, \"produced from Vasudeva.\" Vasudeva is the father of Vāsudeva.\nSo unless we come to the standard of pure goodness, without any tinge of passion and ignorance, it is not possible, God realization. Therefore bhakti means anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam. Jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam [Cc. Madhya 19.167, Brs. 1.1.11]. \n[When first-class devotional service develops, one must be devoid of all material desires, knowledge obtained by monistic philosophy, and fruitive action. The devotee must constantly serve Kṛṣṇa favorably, as Kṛṣṇa desires.]\nJñāna is the platform of goodness, and karma is the platform of passion and ignorance. So bhakti means anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ, without any material desire, devoid of, freed from all kinds of material desire and uncovered by ignorance, passion and goodness. Goodness also.\nTo become very good man in this world, that does not mean that he is freed from this material contamination. He's contaminated by the goodness quality. Just like Arjuna. He wanted to be very good man. Kṛṣṇa said, \"Now fight.\" He said, \"Oh, how can I fight? Oh, they are my brothers, they are my grandfathers. No, no. Better I shall beg. I don't want this kingdom.\"\nSo this is material goodness. People appreciate very much: \"Oh, just see. Arjuna is giving up claim on the kingdom.\" But what Kṛṣṇa replied? Kṛṣṇa said, \"Wherefrom you got this foolish idea?\" Kutas te kaśmalam idaṁ viṣame samupasthitam, anārya-juṣṭam [Bg. 2.2]:\n[The Supreme Person [Bhagavān] said: My dear Arjuna, how have these impurities come upon you? They are not at all befitting a man who knows the progressive values of life. They do not lead to higher planets, but to infamy.]\n\"This is for non-Āryans, not for Āryan.\"\nSo this so-called goodness, so-called gentlemanliness, has no value in the spiritual world. Spiritual world—complete love of God, without any attachment for this... So Arjuna, this goodness means attachment for his family. That's all. He was becoming a good man. Why? Because there is attachment for his family, for his grandfather, for his brother, nephews. So, so long there is attachment for this material world, either in the form of goodness or passion or ignorance, they're all the same.\nIn the transcendental platform... Therefore Caitanya-caritāmṛta says that in this material world, the divisions that \"This is good\" and \"This is bad,\" they are simply mental concoction. The same example: the stool dried up is good, and the wet is not good. Stool is stool. That's all. For a devotee, this is stool. Either it may be dried up or moist, it doesn't matter. So those who are in ignorance and passion, they're little moist, and those who are in goodness, they're dried up. But after all, it is stool.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66].\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\nThere is no consideration of this goodness or badness. You have to give up all material attachment. And abhorrence. Abhorrence is also another negative attachment. \"I don't like this,\" that means I have attachment for this \"don't like.\" You see? So a devotee is simply attached to the service of the Lord, and whatever condition comes, favorable or unfavorable, any circumstances he is steady, dṛḍha-vratāḥ, bhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ [Bg. 7.28].\n[Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life, whose sinful actions are completely eradicated and who are freed from the duality of delusion, engage themselves in My service with determination.]\nDṛḍha-vratāḥ means fixed up, without being tilting, tottering in any circumstances. Ahaituky apratihatā... [SB 1.2.6]\n[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]\nSo we should not have abhorrence or attachment. Suppose we have got this microphone. But sometimes there is no microphone; we have to say, lecture, in some jungle, where there is nothing available, neither like this seat. So whatever is available, that's all right.\nBut that does not mean because there is no microphone, there is no nice seat, there is no nice building, we shall stop our chanting. No. Chanting will go on at any circumstance, either in this nice building or in the hell. We have no consideration, hell or heaven. Whatever..., wherever Krsna is there, that we want. That's all.\nSo here it is said that without being influenced by unnecessary attachment. These karmīs, they are unnecessarily attached to this world. They know that everything will be finished; I will be finished, this body will be finished. Still they are attached. These are karmīs. And jñānīs, they are abhorring: brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā. Jagan mithyā:\n[The Supreme Brahman is the only truth, and this material world is false.]\n\"This world is false.\" Why it is false? It is... There are..., so many nice things there are which can be engaged in the service of the Lord.\nWhy it is false? We don't say that \"false,\" \"abhorrent,\" or \"This is made of material... You don't like.\" No, it can be used. When you speak, glorifying Lord, oh, it can help you. Why abhorrence? So there is no unnecessary abhorrence, unnecessary attachment. Simply whatever is favorable for my service to the Lord we shall accept. That is īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1]. \n[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]\nThank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances] [end]",
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"content": "\n Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi **.\neko 'py asau racayituṁ jagad-aṇḍa-koṭiṁ\nyac-chaktir asti jagad-aṇḍa-cayā yad-antaḥ\naṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-sthaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.35]\nEko 'py asau, that Govinda, by His one expansion of plenary portion, eko 'py asau, that expansion is meant for creating this material world. Eko 'py asau racayituṁ jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi. Not one universe, but billions of universes. As you see within this universe there are millions and trillions of planets, similarly, there are millions and trillions of universes. Jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi. So in each universe Govinda enters, then it becomes developed.\nJust like the matter created by the male and female, the jīva soul enters and then the body develops. Similarly, this material matter has no power of developing. Govinda enters into the matter, and therefore the universe develops. It is very easy to understand. Simply matter, combination of matter, cannot produce any development. Govinda.\neko 'py asau racayituṁ jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi koṭiṣ...\nAṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham.\nSo Govinda is... The atomic theory that combination of atom, paramāṇu vāda, is this material world, but we say that within the atom there is Govinda.\nAṇor aṇīyan mahato mahīyān. Govinda is greater than the greatest and the smaller than the smallest. That is Govinda. Aṇḍānta... We cannot imagine; we cannot see even atoms with your naked eyes. Unless six atoms combine together, you cannot see. One atom we cannot see. Paramāṇu, aṇu paramāṇu. If six paramāṇu combines in, one becomes atom. There are so minute divisions. So,\naṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-sthaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.35].\nSo we worship... Brahmā says, tam ahaṁ bhajāmi: \"I am worshiping that Supreme Personality of Godhead,\" and we are disciplic succession from Brahmā; therefore our process is to follow the footsteps of ācāryas. Ācāryopāsanam. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said for making progress in knowledge, one has to worship ācārya, ācāryopāsanam. So by paramparā system we follow.\nHow Govinda enters, that doesn't matter. We do not bother about that thing. That is not our business. How Govinda enters in the atom, that is not our business. Our ācārya says, aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham: He enters. We accept. That's all. Our business is finished.\nThis is Vedic way of understanding. We take knowledge from the authority and do not bother unnecessarily speculating. We don't waste our time in that way. Our time is very valuable. Instead of researching how Govinda enters in the atom, we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, utilize that time. So this line is very nice. Every knowledge is perfect there from the disciplic succession. You take it and be advanced. That's all. We don't bother much.\nJust like Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya. You know, Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya was a great scholar and..., Māyāvādī scholar, but Caitanya Mahāprabhu made him surrender unto Him. He became Caitanya Mahāprabhu's admirer, follower, after being defeated in Vedānta-sūtra understanding. That story is there in the TLC. [Teachings of Lord Caitanya]\nSo Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya became convinced that Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is Kṛṣṇa. He wrote hundred verses about Caitanya Mahāprabhu, out of two verses are available in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta. He composed—he was a very learned scholar—he composed one hundred verses about Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and handed it over. But in all those verses he admitted that \"You are Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu, of course He was very much pleased that Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya understood, but because He was playing the part of an ācārya, He, externally He became, \"What you have written all these things?\" He immediately torn out and throw it away. But the devotees saved only two. That two verses are there:\nvairāgya-vidyā-nija-bhakti-yoga-\nśikṣārtham ekaḥ puruṣaḥ purāṇaḥ\nśrī [kṛṣṇa] caitanya mahāprabhu [śarīra-dhāri]\nkṛpāmbudhir yas tam ahaṁ prapadye\n[Cc. Madhya 6.254]\nYou'll find that verse, that \"You are the same Śrī Kṛṣṇa. You have come to teach us vairāgya-vidyā.\" Vairāgya-vidyā means how to become unattached with this material world. That is called vairāgya-vidyā. Because our..., we are accepting different types of body on account of our attachment. Because we are attached to this material world, we want to enjoy. That is illusion. We cannot enjoy, we are simply suffering, but we are accepting it as enjoyment.\nJust like these karmīs. It is very distinctly visible wherever you go, so many congested work. All buses and cars are running; there are so many luggages being loaded in the street. Bharam udvahato. Great humbug, you see. Great humbug. Prahlāda Mahārāja said, māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhān [SB 7.9.43]. Actually they are taking so much labor, I mean to say, trouble for loading these big, big cases, but because they're getting, say, $40 a day, they say..., think, \"I am enjoying. I am enjoying.\"\nActually he's working so hard, just like ass or hogs, day and night, but because getting some money, and with that money because he is gratifying his senses, he thinks, \"I am happy.\" This is illusion. Illusion. He does not know what is a real happiness for a second. The illusory material world happiness means sex life, that's all. How long does it stay? Say for minutes. But they're working so hard. This is called illusion. Actually he is being killed, but he thinks that \"I am enjoying.\" This is illusion. Opposite.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja was very much sympathetic, that \"I am simply anxious for these rascals who have created a humbug civilization for temporary happiness,\" māyā-sukhāya. Māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhān [SB 7.9.43]. They have created ugra karma. This is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, ugra karma. Huge factory, day and night melting iron, and they are working, working. The special technologists, getting some money, they're happy. They do not know how they're wasting their valuable life.\nThis is called māyā. Why so much work? Why you are working so hard? Do you think if you'll get hundred dollars per day you can eat more capātīs than myself? [laughter] Rascal does not know that he will eat the same number of capātīs, four or five or six, but he'll work so hard. So we are the best intelligent class. We don't work, but we get our capātīs. [laughter] Let the rascal work, but we get our capātīs. Māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhan [SB 7.9.43].\nSo people sometimes envy us. Gargamuni was telling in Los Angeles that this..., some dealers, neighboring dealers, they were asking, \"How you get money? You are living in such a nice place and you are eating so nice. Where you get money?\" They are envious. So I told Gargamuni that \"Why don't you ask them to come and join? You also eat and dance. Why you are working so hard?\" That will..., they'll not do. You see? This is māyā. This is māyā. My Guru Mahārāja used to say that \"The whole country or the city, whole men, let them..., let them come here. I shall provide them with food.\" But they will not do.\nSo māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhān. Therefore Śukadeva Gosvāmī is recommending that happiness, material happiness also, is due to pious activities. Unless you are pious, you cannot be happy, even materially. And if you simply commit sins, Rūpa Gosvāmī has analyzed—you will read in the Nectar of Devotion—that distress is due to ignorance, simply ignorance. The distress and happiness... Actually you can see those who are not educated fairly, they cannot get any good job. Therefore it is..., his distress is due to less, poor fund of knowledge.\nSo actually our distress is due to ignorance, and in ignorance only we commit sinful activities. Therefore our topics began that prāyaścittaṁ vimarśanam. We are trying to move the ignorance of the people; therefore we are giving the best service to the human society. We are simply trying to remove the ignorance. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12], we are trying to polish, or cleanse, the heart. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam. As soon as the heart is cleansed, the heart that...\nNow I am indifferently conscious. I am thinking that \"I am American,\" \"I am Indian,\" or \"I am this,\" \"I am that.\" \"I have to work; I have got business.\" So many you have created. But our process is...\n[clanging noise] [aside:] What is that?\nOur process is to cleanse the heart, that you are nothing of this; you are simply eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa. You engage yourself as eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa and become happy. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. And because we are ignorant of our constitutional position we have created all these problems.\nActually there is no problem. Exactly the same example, just like at night in dream we create so many problems, but actually there is no problem. But dreaming that \"I am in such-and-such position. I am being harassed,\" \"Somebody is taking my money,\" \"Somebody is pinching me,\" so many things... \"I am in the front of tiger,\" \"There is ghost,\" \"There is so many things...\" So these problems, actually there is no problem, but by dreaming he is creating, mental. Asaṅgo hy ayaṁ puruṣaḥ, Veda says that this puruṣa, the ātmā, the soul, has no connection with all these things.\nSo we have created, by material concoction, so many problems. So the whole process is how to cleanse this dreaming condition of life. That is possible. First of all Śukadeva Gosvāmī recommended that tapasā brahmacaryeṇa śamena da...Gradually you have to go. Generally this is the process. First process is those who are grossly ignorant: for them atonement. \"You have done this mistake? All right, you atone for this.\" But they'll commit again. Therefore the next stage, the karmīs, karmīs are grossly ignorant, unnecessarily working so hard, karmīs, to get some material result out of it. They are called karmīs.\nAnd next prāyaścitta vimarsanam, those who are a little advanced in knowledge, they think that \"I am making atonement, again committing the same thing. I am getting medicine from the physician; again I am being infected by the same disease. How long this business will go on?\" When one comes to this discussion within himself, then he's little farther advanced than this, these rascal karmīs.\nAnd above them, those who are bhaktas. Karmī, jñānī, bhakta. Yogī comes to the jñānī platform. Karmī, jñānī, yogī and bhakta. So a bhakta can be peaceful; others cannot. The karmīs cannot be peaceful, the jñānīs cannot be peaceful, the yogīs cannot be peaceful. Only the bhaktas, they can be peaceful. Why? Because everyone except the bhakta, śuddha-bhakta, pure, has desire.\nA śuddha-bhakta has no desire. They are simply happy by serving Kṛṣṇa. They do not want to know Kṛṣṇa even. Whether Kṛṣṇa is God or not, they don't bother. They want to love Kṛṣṇa, that's all, whatever Kṛṣṇa may be. Not that because Kṛṣṇa is omnipotent, God, all-pervasive, Nārāyaṇa [indistinct]. No, no. In Vṛndāvana they did not know; the cowherds boy, the gopīs, they did not know whether Kṛṣṇa is God or something else, but they were too much inclined to love Kṛṣṇa. That's all. That was their position. They were not Vedāntist, they are not yogīs, they are not karmīs—village girls, boys. They wanted to see Kṛṣṇa happy, that's all. That is their position. This is called sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170].\nYogīs, jñānīs, they are trying to understand God, but they do not know they are in illusion. They're in illusion. So far karmīs are concerned, they're in illusion, māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhān [SB 7.9.43]. They're fools and rascals, because for illusory happiness for a moment, they are working so hard. Therefore they are rascal number one. They cannot... How they can have peace? There is no question.\nAnd next, the jñānīs. Jñānīs, they want to get relief from this hard work of this material world. Brahmā satyaṁ jagan mithyā. They reject this material world. Mithyā, false. We have no, nothing to deal. That is little higher than the karmīs, because the karmīs, they have taken this material world as everything: \"Here we shall be happy.\" Their dharma means: \"How we shall live peacefully here in this material world.\" Their religion means. I've talked with so many; their religion means to make a peaceful atmosphere within this material world. But the rascals do not know that it has been tried for millions of years for making this world peaceful—it has never happened. And never it will happen.\nHow it will happen? This place is meant for giving you troubles and miseries. Kṛṣṇa says, the Creator says, duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam [Bg. 8.15]: \"This is a place simply for suffering, and that also temporary. You cannot make an agreement, \"All right, let me suffer the threefold miseries. I will stay here.\" That also will not be allowed. You cannot stay. You cannot stay. You will be kicked out. You make your good bank balance, skyscraper house, and wife, children, cigarette, wine, liquor, \"I am living very peaceful.\" That's all right. But one day comes, \"Please get out.\" [laughter]\n\"Why? It is my house, I have got bank balance. I have got everything. I have got factory. Why shall I get out?\" \"Yes, you get out. Don't talk, get out.\" [laughter] That day he sees God. \"Oh, I did not believe in God. Now here is God, making everything finished.\" Everything finished. Sarva-haraś cāham, Kṛṣṇa says that \"I am God for the demons when I take away everything from them at the time of death. You do not believe God? All right, here I am. Today I am here. I have come to you to take away everything, whatever you have got. Now get out!\" They will see God on that day.\nSo why not see God here, Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. Why you want to see God...? Just like Hiraṇyakaśipu. Prahlāda's seeing God, and Hiraṇyakaśipu is seeing God by death. And Prahlāda is seeing God, \"Oh, here is my Lord.\" So those who are challenging that \"Whether you can show me God?\" they will see God like Hiraṇyakaśipu. Everyone will see God, but one who is sane, one who knows that \"I am eternally related with Kṛṣṇa, God. He loves me. My duty is to love. He is so much kind that even I do not..., even though I do not love Him, still He gives me food. He gives me fruits, flowers, grains. Whatever I want, God is supplying.\" Eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]. You cannot manufacture.\nSo Kṛṣṇa..., God is so kind that He is supplying food to the atheist also. But the atheist has no knowledge that \"Wherefrom I am getting my foodstuff?\" That is ignorance. So therefore they are committing so many sinful activities. It is due to ignorance, nothing but ignorance. Atheist means in gross ignorance, that's all. Otherwise any person who is honest, he can see God everywhere, always.\nJust like Kṛṣṇa says, \"Try to understand Me. Try to under... Try to see Me everywhere.\" How? Now, first of all He says, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya, \"I am the taste of the water.\" So when you are thirsty, you require a glass of water, drink it, and when you feel happy, you understand that this quenching power of this water is Kṛṣṇa. That is Kṛṣṇa realization. Raso 'ham apsu kaunteya prabhāsmi śaśi-sūryayoḥ [Bg. 7.8]. So as soon as there is sunrise, you see Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says, \"I am the sunshine. I am the moonshine.\"\nSo why don't you try to see Kṛṣṇa? In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, there is a big list. Just like Kṛṣṇa says, \"I am the lion amongst the animals.\" Because He took the shape of a lion, Hiraṇyakaśipu, eternal shape. \"I am the banyan tree,\" so many things Kṛṣṇa has described in the Bhagavad-gītā. So in the beginning, if one is not fortunate enough to see Kṛṣṇa, although He is sitting in this temple, let him see Kṛṣṇa in this way. If he's not fortunate to come here and to see Kṛṣṇa, take prasādam and dance in ecstasy, then let his unfortunate condition be diminished by seeing Kṛṣṇa in water, in sunshine, in moonshine, in this and that.\nKṛṣṇa is visible, but Kṛṣṇa is visible to the devotees. Nāhaṁ prakāśaḥ sarvasya yoga-māyā-samāvṛtaḥ [Bg. 7.25], \"I am not exposed to everyone,\" yoga-māyā-samāvṛtaḥ, \"covered by the curtain of yoga-māyā.\" But those who have developed love of Kṛṣṇa, for them, premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti [Bs. 5.38]. One who has developed love of Kṛṣṇa, he can see Kṛṣṇa within his heart twenty-four hours.\nSo it is very nice proposition, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Please take to it. We are canvassing. We are sending our devotees to the street, begging, \"Please come to our temple, be Kṛṣṇa conscious.\" That is our business. Caitanya Mahāprabhu wanted it. Go door to door, even at the risk of life, and ask these rascals to come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Māyā-sukhāya. Because they're, they're thinking, \"Oh, we are very happy.\" Illusion. The happiness will be finished within a second. As soon as death will come, finished.\nBut one can say that \"Death will come to you also.\" \"Yes, that's all right.\" \"Then why do you distinguish my death and your death?\" \"Yes, because you do not know where you are going, but I know where I am going, that is the difference.\" \"How do you know?\" \"Kṛṣṇa says.\" \"What does He say?\" Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti. One who has understood Kṛṣṇa, one has served Kṛṣṇa sincerely and seriously, he is not going to come again to take any material body. Then where does he go? Oh, mām eti, \"He comes to Me.\"\nSo how you can go to Kṛṣṇa unless you have got a body like Kṛṣṇa? Yes, that is the position. Sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1], īśvara [indistinct]. Just like you cannot enter into fire without being fire. Similarly, next life for the devotees is sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ, eternal body, blissful life, dancing with Kṛṣṇa in rasa dance—you have seen the picture—like the gopīs, like the cowherds boys. Kṛta-puṇya-puñjāḥ [SB 10.12.11]. Śukadeva Gosvāmī says that these boys who are playing with Kṛṣṇa in Vṛndāvana, kṛta-puṇya-puñjāḥ: for many millions of years they simply accumulated pious results of their activities.\nThe Bhagavad-gītā also says, yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpam [Bg. 7.28], one..., he, one who is simply free from all reaction of sinful life, yeṣāṁ anta-gataṁ pāpam. How it is possible? Janānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām. Those who are simply engaged in pious activities, the sinful activity cannot touch them. That is natural. If you are engaged in some type of activities, you are not engaged in other activity; you cannot do. Similarly, if you simply engage yourself in pious activities, the reaction of sinful activities cannot touch you. Yeṣāṁ anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ janānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām te, such persons, dvandva-moha-nirmuktā, they're released from the duality, bhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ.\nSo you are engaged in that business. There is no scope of sinful reaction in your life, provided you follow the four principles—no intoxication, no meat-eating, no illicit sex, no gambling—these four items, and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, sixteen rounds. Is it very difficult? And here is Kṛṣṇa's certificate. So do it, rigidly, and be happy.\nThank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]",
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"content": "\n So, so what do you want? That desire is nice, that's all. Either you distribute or not distribute, keep that desire. That's all. [laughter]\n[sound of package being opened]\nWhat is this? Coconut? Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ. [end]",
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"content": "\nPrabhupāda\n:\n...līḍha-loka-\ntrāṇāya kāruṇya-ghanāghanatvam\nprāptasya kalyāṇa-guṇārṇavasya\nvande guroḥ śrī-caraṇāravindam\n[Śrī Śrī Gurv-aṣṭaka 1]\nJust now we have sung this song, saṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka. There was little controversy whether I shall speak in English or Hindi. Of course, I am not very much accustomed to speak in Hindi, but I speak sometimes Hindi. But Swami Brahmānanda has asked me to speak in English because some African students are present here, and they cannot understand Hindi. I think most of you can understand English. So I shall speak a little portion in English and little portion in Hindi.\nSo, what is our problem? The problem is that saṁsāra-dāvānala. This material world is compared with dāvānala. Dāvānala means forest fire. Every one of you has got some experience about the forest fire. The forest fire takes place. Nobody is interested to set fire in the forest, but it takes place automatically, by collision of bamboos. There is friction, and fire is produced, and as soon as they touch some dry..., dry leaves, immediately there is fire; and as soon as there is fire, all the animals in the forest, they become very much disturbed.\nAnd the fire especially kills the serpents, because the serpents are on the ground and the dry grasses and leaves immediately taking to fire, and the serpents, they cannot run very swiftly, so they become the first victims. Similarly this world, this material world, is problematic. Some problems there is always, and because they do not know how to extinguish this blazing fire of problems, we are so much troubled.\nSo, saṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka, this one verse explaining will clear the idea of this movement. This material world is just exactly like the blazing fire in the forest. Everyone wants to live here peacefully, but situation develops in such a way that it will not allow you to live in peace. That is the law. We are trying to adjust things in so many ways, but this nature's law is so cruel and stringent that in spite of your so much trying, the blazing fire of this material world is continuing.\nJust like we have got experience: there was First World War in 1914. It continued up to 1920 or '18. The people of the world, they devised some plan: League of Nations. Perhaps those who are older present here, they know. But that failed. Again there was second war, and again they have devised some means, United Nation, but the war is going on—in Vietnam, in Egypt or in Pakistan; so many places the blazing fire is going on. That cannot be stopped.\nTherefore, in this verse of Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, he says that this saṁsāra, this material world where we are trying to enjoy life, is just like dāvānala—forest fire without our desire. Nobody wanted the First World War or the Second World War or again the Third World War, but it takes place. So what is the solution?\nSaṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka. It is blazing. Now, just try to understand how this blazing fire in the forest can be stopped. You cannot send fire brigade, or you cannot send men with buckets of water to extinguish the fire in the forest. That is not possible. How the fire in the forest is stopped? Because the stopping the blazing fire there must be pouring of water.\nSo what is the arrangement for pouring water? The arrangement is, saṁsāra dāvānala-līḍha-loka-trāṇāya, that to deliver them, kāruṇya-ghanāghanatvam. Ghanāghanatvam means clouds, merciful clouds. When there is merciful clouds over the forest and it pours rain torrentially, then immediately the fire, blazing fire in the forest, becomes extinguished. Otherwise there is no other way. You cannot call fire brigade. You cannot save the animals. You cannot send men with bucketfuls of water. [children making noise] It is not possible. Similarly,\nkāruṇya-ghanāghanatvam prāptasya kalyāṇa guṇārṇavasya...\n[aside:] These children are disturbing.\nKāruṇya-ghanāghanatvam prāptasya kalyāṇa-guṇārṇavasya.",
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"content": "\n[to person in audience] Can you keep the children quiet? Perhaps you can take them outside, because Śrīla Prabhupāda must speak so people can hear.\nPrabhupāda\n: This is another dāvānala. [laughter] If you want to stop one dāvānala, another dāvānala is there automatically. This is the proof. Yes. Sukhera lāgiyā ei ghara bandhila anale puriya gelā. I'll make home very peaceful, but nature's law is so cruel that it makes very uncomfortable. So this is going on, and we cannot understand. That is called māyā. In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavata there is a statement that the human beings, they are controlled under the modes of material nature of passion. So therefore they take this dāvānala as peaceful. That is their..., that is called māyā.\nAnyway, the verse:\nsaṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka-\ntrāṇāya kāruṇya-ghanāghanatvam\nprāptasya kalyāṇa-guṇārṇavasya\nvande guroḥ śrī-caraṇāravindam\nSo as the cloud is collection of water from the sea—cloud means evaporation of water from the sea—similarly, guṇārṇavasya, there is an ocean of mercy of Kṛṣṇa, or God. If one is able to collect water, or the dust, from the merciful ocean of Kṛṣṇa, and if we can pour over it the saṁsāra-dāvānala, then it is possible to extinguish this fire. In other ways, just like the forest fire cannot be extinguished without the water from the clouds, similarly, this saṁsāra, this dāvānala, the blazing fire of all material existence, problems after problems, they cannot be extinguished unless there is pouring of incessant merciful rain from Kṛṣṇa, and one who bestows, one who distributes this rain, he is called the guru.\nTherefore Viśvanātha Cakravartī says, \"I offer my respectful obeisances to such guru, spiritual master, who is able to distribute the merciful rain of Kṛṣṇa to extinguish this blazing fire of material existence.\" So this is the meaning of this verse,\nsaṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka-\ntrāṇāya kāruṇya-ghanāghanatvam\nprāptasya kalyāṇa-guṇārṇavasya\nvande guroḥ śrī-caraṇāravindam\nSo in the Vedic literature it is said that in order to understand the transcendental science, tad vijñānārthaṁ... Tad vijñāna means transcendental science. So,\ntad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet\nsamit-pāṇiḥ śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham\n[MU 1.2.12]\nIn order to... Because we are trying to acquire knowledge how to extinguish this blazing fire of problems. That is our plan. Everyone is trying. The scientist is trying, the thoughtful philosophers are trying, and..., so many ways, because our aim is ātyantika-duḥkha-nivṛtti. The aim is how to extinguish this blazing fire, or how to diminish, or almost vanquish, the miserable condition of life.\nThe karmīs, they are working heart and soul, day and night to extinguish this fire or diminishing the miserable condition of material existence. The jñānīs they are also crying that they are disgusted. They say: brahma satyam jagan mithya. This world is false, according to jñānīs, those who are after liberation. After being disgusted to adjust the material problems, they try to merge into the existence of the Supreme. They are called jñānīs, mukti. So they are also trying to extinguish this fire. Therefore they are being disgusted. They are saying this jagat, this material world, is false.\nJust like sometimes you know the story: One jackal tried to take some grapes from the orchard, and when he failed he said, \"Oh, the grapes are sour.\" [laughter] Similarly the karmīs, after struggling very, very hard, when the [indistinct], every [indistinct] so many people they are trying, but the problem, the blazing fire is there. The karmīs are trying by material process by making League of Nation, United Nation or social work, humanitarian work, education, so on and so on. They are trying to mitigate. Purpose is how to extinguish this blazing fire.\nĀtyantikaṁ sukham. Ātyantika-duḥkha-nivṛtti, this is the Sanskrit word, vācā, that people are trying to become in very happy condition of life. The karmīs are trying by working hard day and night by industrialization, by economic development, by political understanding, so many things. And jñānīs, when they see that they have become frustrated in trying materially in so many ways, they say that this world is false and let us take to Brahman understanding or merge into the void, the existence of Brahman. That is called jñānīs' aim of life.\nAnd similarly there are yogīs. Yogīs, they are trying to get material power in a mystic way, aṇimā, laghimā. These are called siddhis, or aṣṭa-siddhis. The yogīs, the perfect yogī who has attained success, he can become greater than the greatest, smaller than the smallest, lighter than the heavy. In this way there are eight kinds of siddhis. They are also trying to acquire this power. But there is another class who are called bhaktas, devotees.\nThey are also coming gradually from different stage, from the state of karmī, from the state of jñānīs, from the stage of yogīs, then they come to the state of devotional service. But the advantage is that if anyone wants to come to the topmost position, transcendental position of becoming bhakta, he can become immediately a bhakta without going gradually through the states of karmīs, jñānīs, yogīs. That is the advantage. You can immediately.\nJust like Kṛṣṇa says that:\nbahūnāṁ janmanām ante\njñānavān māṁ prapadyate\nvāsudevaḥ sarvam iti\nsa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ\n[Bg. 7.19]\nKṛṣṇa says that in this way, by gradual evolutionary process from the karmī's platform, the jñānī platform, from the jñānī platform to yogī platform and from yogī platform to bhakta platform, in this way, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān mām prapadyate. Actually, when one is wise, jñānī—jñānavān means wise—he surrenders to the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān mām prapadyate.\nSo the bhakta's position is that without waiting for bahu janma, or many births of struggling as karmī, as jñānī or as yogī, he immediately takes the opportunity of Lord Kṛṣṇa's instruction that,\nbahūnāṁ janmanām ante\njñānavān māṁ prapadyate\n[Bg. 7.19]\n\"Jñānavān, one who is actually, maturely wise, he surrenders unto Me.\" If that is the point, if that is the aim of life, the bhaktas, the intelligent men of the world, take to this step, that means immediately, as Kṛṣṇa says,\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\nSo really jñānavān, really wise man, he thinks that if after many, many births one has to come to this point of surrendering to Kṛṣṇa, why not immediately? That is intelligence, that \"Why I shall wait for many, many births, after being karmī or jñānī or yogī. Let me immediately surrender.\" Because this is the ultimate goal.\nThe Bhāgavata confirms this fact that,\nna te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ\ndurāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ\nandhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās\nte 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ\n[SB 7.5.31]\nThis is the statement of Mahārāja Prahlāda. He says that people, they do not know the ultimate goal is to back to home, back to Godhead. That is the goal of life. Therefore Prahlāda Mahārāja said, when his father challenged him that \"Why you are after so much devotional life?\" then he said, \"My dear father, people do not know this, that this is the ultimate goal of life.\" Nature's law is dragging us to that point.\nJust like I give you one example, that the state or government, the government wants that every citizen should be law-abiding, then the state can go very nicely. You can understand; it is very easy. But there are many men, or a few men, who disobey the state's laws, and they are put into the prison life, in the jail life. Now what is the purpose of this jail life? The purpose of jail life is to put this criminal, this, I mean to say, guilty person always doing some trouble so that he can come to the point of becoming a law-abiding citizen. That is the prison law.\nSimilarly, this material world is a prison house. It is called durga. Therefore the superintendent deity of this material world is called Durgā. Perhaps every one of you knows what is Goddess Durgā. Durgā has got weapons in her hands, ten hands, different types of weapons. That means she is directed. She is present in ten directions of this universe, and she has got different weapons to chastise the demon. You have seen the picture of demon. The demon is struggling with the lion and the mother, Goddess Durgā, has caught the hairs of the demon and pushing her trident just on the chest. This is going on.\nSo similarly, if we study the scripture who is a demon and what is this trident, what is this lion, in this if we analytically study that, we shall find that these demons, we are all demons. We find, because the trident means threefold misery, trident. It is, the Sanskrit word is triśūla. Triśūla. Tri means three, and śūla means..., śūla means punishment or tribulations, threefold. They are adhyātmikha, adhibhautikha, adhidaivikha.\nWe are suffering threefold miseries. One kind of misery is due to this body and the mind. Sometimes we feel not very happy with the bodily position; sometimes we do not find very happy in the mental condition. So that is called adhyātmikha. This is one kind of misery. The other kind of misery, adhidaivikha, miseries inflicted by the demigods. Just like all of a sudden there is famine or there is earthquake, so many natural disturbances, flood, and we are always busy to mitigate all these miseries by different method.\nBut the miseries are always there. This is called adhyātmikha, adhidaivikha and, similarly... Adhyātmikha, adhibhautikha. Bhautikha means tribulations from miseries inflicted by other living entities. Just like we are sleeping very happily. We are sleeping very happily, but there are bugs. They are biting, disturbing the happiness of sleep, the mosquitoes. Or we are very afraid of the tiger or the elephant, so many. That means distresses inflicted by other living entities.\nSo these three kinds of miserable condition of material life are there, and our existence is simply struggling against these miserable condition of life. Nobody can say that \"I am free of all these three kinds of miserable condition of life.\" Therefore it is said, saṁsāra-dāvānala. Just like our happiness means we are trying to mitigate some sort of disturbances in our own way, and that is the happiness. But actually it is not possible to have pure happiness within this material world, because the trident of the material nature, Durgā, is just pierced on the chest of everyone.\nSo you should try to understand what is Durgā. We want to satisfy Mother Durgā by worshiping her, giving her some bribe, but Mother Durgā is not so easily to be bribed. There is a story that one devotee of Mother Durgā worshiped Mother very nicely, and Mother asked the devotee, \"My dear son, you are happy?\" He replied, \"My dear Mother, yes, I am very happy. Only two things are lacking.\" \"What is this?\" \"That there is no sufficient food and there is no sufficient cloth.\" So this is the position. We are trying to adjust this material world in so many ways, but the insufficiency is always there. We should try to understand. This is the position.\nTherefore our aim should be, as it is indicated by Prahlāda Mahārāja, na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ [SB 7.5.31]. We should know that our aim of life should be to understand what is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is our aim. We should make all arrangement—social, political or philosophical, religious, whatever you like—you make all adjustment, but the aim should be how to approach the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Visnu. In the Vedas also it is said, oṁ tad viṣṇoḥ paramaṁ padaṁ sadā paśyanti sūrayaḥ [Ṛg Veda 1.22.20]. Those who are sūraya, means learned, advanced people, demigods, they are simply looking on the lotus feet of Visnu. Oṁ tad viṣṇoḥ paramaṁ padaṁ sadā paśyanti sūrayaḥ. This is Ṛg Veda mantra.\nSo the aim should be human civilization. The aim should be like the sūrayaḥ, sadā paśyanti tad viṣṇoḥ paramaṁ padam. That is the aim. Without aim if you cultivate any kind of religious principle, social principle or political principle, it will fail. Because you do not know the aim of our life, therefore in spite of all advancement of present-day world, education, economic development, we have to defend ourselves by the laws of something else, just like League of Nation or United Nation. You are hearing, specially the Indians who are here in Africa, they are always feeling such unsettlement, because the aim is missed.\nSo our this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to educate everyone to this aim. That is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are not sectarian. We are inviting everyone, it doesn't matter, because everyone is Kṛṣṇa's eternal servant. We are trying to teach everyone how to become Kṛṣṇa's servant and be helpful to the society and be happy himself and to make others happy. That is our...\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement especially we have come to Africa to educate the people, not only the Indians or the Hindus, but we have come to educate the people of the natives, of the local population, and I am glad that our people going to saṅkīrtana party in the street, as we go everywhere, in London, in New York, in all big, big cities of the world. Similarly, we are trying to lead our saṅkīrtana party to the street, and the local natives, the African boys and girls and gentlemen, they are gathering, they are receiving. So there is immense possibility of spreading this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement everywhere. That I have explained already, and again I am repeating.\nSo this movement has come here, so I request that those who are present here, try to cooperate with this movement of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and I am sure the African boys and girls, they will surely take part in it, as we have experienced, we have many other Africans boys and girls as our students in America. So there is no difficulty, and my only request is that you try to help us by [indistinct]. Just like it is described in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam,\nprāṇair arthair dhiyā vācā\nśreya-ācaraṇaṁ sadā\netāvaj janma-sāphalyaṁ\ndehinām iha dehiṣu\n[SB 10.22.35]\nIha dehiṣu, in this body, in human form of life, the perfection is to śreya-ācaraṇaṁ sadā. Śreya means ultimate good. That is called śreya. Śreya and preya, there are two words. Preya means immediate benefit, immediate happiness, just like sense gratification, immediate, and śreya means that permanent happiness. So śreya-ācaraṇaṁ sadā: in this human form of life you should not be, I mean to say, deviated by some temporary happiness. We should seek after the permanent happiness.\nAnd how this permanent happiness can be achieved? Prāṇair arthair dhiyā vācā: by dedicating your life, by dedicating your riches, prāṇair arthair dhiyā, by dedicating your intelligence, by dedicating your words. You can do the most beneficial work to the human society by these four things: by your life, by your money, by your intelligence and by your words. Everyone has got either the four, or some of them. But even one you can sacrifice. Better if you sacrifice life; that includes everything. If not, please sacrifice some money, prāṇair arthair. If not, then intelligence. If you cannot pay anything, let us worship, give your intelligence how it will be successful. Intelligence. And vācā: and if not, you give your word.\nWhat is that word? What is this movement? This movement, they are going, they are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. They are not giving any money. They have no money, but they are simply chanting, vācā. So people are taking it and being benefited all over the world. So if you cannot sacrifice your life or your vācā, just sacrifice little money. That is the way of living, our Sanātana Gosvāmī.\nAnd it is the duty of the gṛhasta and kṣatriyas especially, dāna, charity. And where dāna should be given? In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, dātavyam iti yad dānaṁ tad dānaṁ sāttvikam ucyate [Bg. 17.20]. There are three kinds of dāna, charity: sattvika, rajasika and tamasika. We should not take to the policy of rajasika and tamasika charity. We should take to the sattvika charity. What is that sattvika charity?\nDātavyam yajña: when you think, \"Here is the place where charity must be given there.\" And this movement is so, because it is trying to educate every man to come to the ultimate goal of life, Viṣṇu. That will make them happy. That will make them prosperous. That will solve all the problems of life. This is a fact. It is to be understood with little cool head and subtle mind. This is a fact. This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is so nice, so authorized.\nSo try to help this movement. Immediately we'll require a place. These devotees who have come here, they are from America, Europe, and still some of them are coming. So we must have a place to stay. Unless we stay, how we can prosecute the movement? Therefore help us immediately to give us a place, and see how things are going on, how things improve, gradually.\nWe have already tested that this movement has been successful all over the world; why not in Africa? So there is immense chance, and we have no sectarian view. We don't consider that \"He is African,\" \"He is American.\" Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ. This movement is freed from all designation, sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁtat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]\nBe Kṛṣṇa conscious. It is very, very pure, nirmalam. Because these American boys, they do not think that they are American or I think I am Indian. If I thought Indian, why should I have taken so much trouble to travel all over the world to preach this movement? So we have no such conception that \"I am Indian,\" \"I am American,\" \"I am brāhmaṇa\" or \"I am śūdra,\" or \"I am black,\" \"I am white.\" We all are the same. We are eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa, or God. That is our position.\nThis is called sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ, and so long we shall be conducted by upādhis—\"I am American,\" \"I am Englishman,\" \"I am Indian,\" \"I am Hindu,\" \"I am Muslim,\" \"I am Sikh,\" these are upādhis, designation. Actually, these are the designation of this body. As soon as the..., because I am born in India, I am thinking \"I am Indian.\" Accidentally one is born in America, he is thinking as American. But none of them are American, Indian or black or white. Spiritually, everyone is part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. We have to think in that way. We have to be educated in that way. Then there will be actually peace in the world.\nThat I have explained many times that,\nbhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ\nsarva-loka-maheśvaram\nsuhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ\njñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchati\n[Bg. 5.29]\nIf you actually want śānti, either in mind or body or soul, you must take to this movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and try to understand what is God, what is Kṛṣṇa, and try to distribute this knowledge all over the world, amongst your friends, amongst your family. And the process is very simple. It is not at all difficult.\nSimply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. You go on chanting, gradually your dirty things in the heart will be cleansed, ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ. This is the first effect of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra.\nThen, bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇaṁ, the same thing as I began my lecture in the beginning, that there is a blazing fire. We are all misunderstanding one another. That is the position. As soon as you come to the real understanding, real platform of understanding, that \"I am spirit soul, ahaṁ brahmāsmi, and I am that consciousness. I am Brahman,\" that Brahman consciousness, when developed, it is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just like it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā,\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu...\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg. 18.54]\nThis is the scientific procedure.\nSo my request is that you try to understand. You help us and see how good results are coming out this movement, not only here but all over the world.\nThank you very much. [applause] [break]\nQuestion\n: [indistinct]\nPrabhupada\n: [aside:] What is that? You can explain.\n[break] ...species of form. And all these particular bodies are awarded to the living entity, or the soul, according to his sinful activities. That is Vedic injunction. And therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that you cannot take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness, unless you are completely freed from the resultant action of sinful life.\nyeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ\njanānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām\nte dvandva-moha-nirmuktā\nbhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ\n[Bg. 7.28]\nThis is the statement of the Bhagavad-gītā. Anyone who has become freed completely, yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ, janānāṁ, persons who are engaged in pious activity. Activity means you should be pious, not impious. If we implicate ourselves in impious activities, then you will be more and more implicated in this material way of life, and from Brahman you can become a hog or dog or an ant. This is the law of nature. It is not that by evolutionary process if one has come to the human form of life he is not going to be degraded. If he does not believe in God consciousness, if he does not act nicely, then he is surely to degrade.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa says, yeṣāṁ anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ: one who has checked[?] his resultant action of sinful life, such person, always engaged in pious activity, they, such person, dvandva-moha-nirmuktā, without any hesitation, without any doubt, bhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ, can be fixed up in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and devotional service. Therefore as you see, these boys were all addicted to all kinds of sinful life, because they are told from the very beginning of their life.\nBut when they took to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they gave up under my instruction or the instruction of Bhagavad-gītā, and see how they are advanced in spiritual life. That is practical. Within three or four years, or even one year, simply by association many students are coming. Simply by their association they are becoming pure. This is a fact. You can examine. You can see.\nSo the primary principles of sinful life are four: illicit sex life. One cannot have sex life without his married wife. That restriction must be followed. Just like in our Cāṇakya community, the ordinary moral instruction of Cāṇakya Paṇḍita, who was the prime minister of India during the time of Chandragupta, and his name is still well known; in New Delhi there is a Cāṇakya Puri. He said that who is that learned man who is not judging from the academic qualification. He said... First of all he said, mātṛvat para-dāreṣu: one who sees all women as mother except his married wife, he is learned. So this illicit sex life must be stopped. This is the beginning of sinful life.\nAnd similarly, intoxication. We are already intoxicated by the influence of māyā, and if we take still more intoxication, then how we are improving? How are we becoming designationless? We are becoming more and more engulfed by designation. So this must be given up: illicit sex life and intoxication and gambling and unnecessary meat-eating. There is no need of meat-eating.\nFor human being, God has given us so many things: varieties of grains, varieties of fruits, varieties of vegetables and varieties of milk and milk products. Why should we take animal food? Of course, when there is no possibility of getting all these things in the desert, they may kill some animals and eat. That is a different thing. But in cities and towns where these things are amply available, why should we take meat, fish and eggs?\nSo they are not allowed in the śāstras. Just like Kṛṣṇa says,\npatraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ\nyo me bhaktyā prayacchati\n[Bg. 9.26]\nKṛṣṇa does not say, \"Give me eggs and meat.\" He says patraṁ puṣpaṁ. So our position is we take kṛṣṇa-prasādam, and whatever is offered to Kṛṣṇa, patraṁ puṣpaṁ, we take it. So if one is serious about advancing in spiritual life he must try to become free from all sinful life, yeṣāṁ anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ. Otherwise, Kṛṣṇa is pure:\nparaṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma\npavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān\n[Bg. 10.12]\nThat is described by Arjuna.\nSo if we want to reach the Complete Pure, we must first of all become pure. This chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa will make you pure, but it will help you by avoiding these four principles of restriction. Then you will make march[?] very quickly and go back to home, back to God, very quickly. That is the process. [end]",
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"content": "\n[kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\n[22:58]\noṁ ajñāna-timirāndhasya\njñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur-unmīlitaṁ yena\ntasmai śri-gurave namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master who, with the torchlight of knowledge, has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance.]\nśrī-caitanya-mano 'bhīṣṭaṁ\nsthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale\nsvayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ\ndadāti sva-padāntikam\n[When will Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet?]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho\ndīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta\nrādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\noṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya [break]\nToday I shall speak before you about Mahārāja Parīkṣit. The hero of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is King Parīkṣit as the hero of Mahābhārata, the great history of India, Mahābhārata. Now, this Bhārata I have several times explained. Bhārata means this planet, and Mahābhārata means the complete history of the whole world.\nNowadays, at the present moment, history means a chronological record, but previously, history means only the important incidences at different times, they were recorded. Therefore, in Mahābhārata or any other Purāṇa also... Purāṇas are also history. We don't find any chronological incidences one after another. But the most important selected incidences, especially in connection with God realization, they are recorded.\nSo this Mahābhārata is also history, and as history is liked by common man, so Mahābhārata was written by Vyāsadeva for understanding of the most common men. Strī-śūdra-dvijabandhūnaṁ trayī na śruti-gocarā [SB 1.4.25].\n[Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he compiled the great historical narration called the Mahābhārata for women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.]\nThe Vyāsadeva has given explanation why he compiled Mahābhārata, the great history of this Bhārata. Now it is called India, but it was..., this planet was called Bhārata, Bhārata-varṣa. So he has given explanation that \"The Vedic principle, Vedic instructions, they are not directly understandable by common men and women,'' strī-śūdra-dvijabandhūnaṁ [SB 1.4.25].\n[Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he compiled the great historical narration called the Mahābhārata for women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.]\nWho are common men? Women class, as a class; and śūdra, laborer class, working class; and strī-śūdra-dvijabandhūnaṁ, and dvija means twice-born, the higher caste. The higher caste means they must be twice-born. How is that? One birth is father and mother, real father and mother, and the next birth is spiritual master and the Vedas. That means when one is trained up in the matter of real knowledge—Veda means real knowledge—by the guidance of the spiritual master, he is supposed to be twice-born.\nSo dvija-bandhu. Twice-born means cultural society. Those who have Vedic cultured, those who have followed the Vedic principles rigidly, it doesn't matter whether he is a householder or a brahmacārī or a sannyāsī. There are eight divisions of human society: four divisions social structure, and four divisions for spiritual enlightenment. So unless the eight divisions are properly managed, that is not human society. Human society is distinct from animal society by culture. What is that culture? Vedic culture, knowledge. Vedic means knowledge. One must be equipped with full knowledge.\n\"So this Vedic culture,'' Vyāsadeva says, \"or the Vedic principles, are not very easily understood by women class, by worker class and dvija-bandhu.'' Dvija-bandhu means the boys who have taken birth in the family who are supposed to be very cultured, but their habit is different. They are called dvija-bandhu.\nIn every country, that deterioration of social structure has already begun. They are called varṇa-saṅkara. Varṇa-saṅkara factually means that those who are illiterate. So for them it is very difficult to understand the Vedic principles. Therefore the same knowledge is described in stories just like Mahābhārata, Purāṇas, and for understanding of all men, all women. So Mahābhārata is especially written for such class of men and women. And the hero of Mahābhārata is Arjuna. Similarly, the hero of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is Arjuna's grandson, Mahārāja Parīkṣit, King Parīkṣit.\nNow the history of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is like this, that Parīkṣit Mahārāja was a great king, emperor of the world, very pious devotee, all qualified. So sometimes he went to the forest for hunting. The hunting is allowed to the kṣatriyas, kings, royals, kings. Why? Because a king has to look after administration of the society; therefore sometimes he has to order to kill some man, \"Hang this man.\" Or sometimes he will take the sword in his own hand and kill the culprit, criminal, immediately.\nSo therefore the killing practice was allowed to the kṣatriyas, royal family. Therefore sometimes the king would go into the forest and kill some animals to practice. Just like in the medical laboratory, physiological laboratory, some animals are tested to see the physiological condition of the body, similarly, always these experiments are made on the animals.\nSo Mahārāja Parīkṣit went to the forest for hunting. So he was very tired. He was very tired, and he entered the cottage of one hermitage. He was at that time in meditation. So Parīkṣit Mahārāja was very much thirsty and hungry, and because he was king, he can order anyone, royal order, so he entered the cottage and asked the hermitage, that muni, that \"Please give me something to eat. I am very hungry,\" or \"Give me some drinking water.\"\nBut he was in meditation. By chance he could not hear Mahārāja Parīkṣit. He was silent. [beak] But because he was king, king, royal power, he little became agitated, although he was very nice king, \"Oh, he is disordering, er, disobeying my orders?\" then he became disgusted. And there was a dead serpent lying there. So he took that dead serpent and put it on the neck of the hermitage and went away.\nNow, that hermitage had one boy, a ten years, twelve years old, and that boy had some playmates. They were playing, and some of the boys informed the son of that hermitage that \"Your father has been insulted by the king. He is garlanded with a dead snake.\" So that boy, the son of that hermitage, became very angry, and he cursed him. That one point is here to see, that a child of a brāhmaṇa, a son of a brāhmaṇa, was so powerful that he could curse a great king like Mahārāja Parīkṣit that \"You have insulted my father. So that snake will bite you within seven days, and you will die.\" This was the version.\nNow the boy came back home and saw the father was garlanded with the dead snake, and he began to cry. Began to cry. He felt so much that his father was insulted. His father was brāhmaṇa. He was brāhmaṇa. \"Oh, brāhmaṇa has been insulted by the kṣatriya?\" So he felt too much. He began to cry. So by his crying, that hermitage came to his senses and asked the boy, \"Why you are crying?\" \"Oh, father, you do not know. You have been insulted by the king in this way, and I have cursed him.\"\nOh, his father became astonished. \"Oh, you have cursed Mahārāja Parīkṣit? Oh, you have done the greatest blunder. Oh, such a nice king. Depending on him, the subject, the citizens, are sleeping very peacefully; there is no danger. And you have cursed him?\" Oh, he became very much sorry. And that description is there. Next day we shall explain how he was sorry. But after all, the cursing was already there. So he sent information to the king that, \"My dear king, this accident is already done. So you prepare yourself for death.\" That information was given.\nSo Parīkṣit Mahārāja was also very sorry, that \"I insulted a brāhmaṇa, which I should not have done,\" and he welcomed the cursing, that \"It is good for me that I have been cursed, so that in future I shall not dare to act like that.\" He was such a nice king. Anyway, he was young man. He was not old man. He was within thirties. So immediately he entrusted the whole kingdom to his young boy, and he left home, left home and went to the Ganges side.\nThe kingdom of Mahārāja Parīkṣit was supposed to be situated somewhere in New Delhi, and there is a river called Yamunā. So Yamunā, Ganges, practically it is coming out from the same source. And that is according to Jīva Gosvāmī. But Yamunā is supposed to be more sacred than the Ganges, because in the Yamunā Lord Kṛṣṇa enjoyed. So in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is stated that Mahārāja Parīkṣit went to the bank of the Ganges. But near New Delhi side there is no Ganges; there is Yamunā. So it is to be taken that he went to the side of the Yamunā.\nAnyway, the news spread all over the world that \"The great king has been cursed, and he is going to die within seven days.\" So all great sages, saintly persons, scholars, kings, they went to see him at the Ganges side. There was great assembly. And Parīkṣit Mahārāja inquired from everyone that \"Now it is settled that I am going to die. The time is fixed already. Within a week, I shall be dying. Now what is my duty?\"\nThe thing is that before death we must prepare ourself. The present nonsense civilization, they don't prepare. They simply accept the flash life as all in all. The other day I was corresponding with one gentleman in London, Mr. Webb. He is little atheistic. He said that \"There is no life, next. Just like a flower. A flower is bloomed and finished.\" So I have replied that \"No, it is not finished. How it can be finished? The seed of the flower remains.\" Seed of the flower remains. So, so long the seed of the flower will remain, there will be many thousands and millions of manifestation of the flower.\nSimilarly, this body may be finished, but the seed of the body, the soul, that is eternal. It will develop another body. That is a fact. Just like in this very life every one of us experiencing that because I, I am the seed of this body... Seed. Just try to understand this word seed. Just like you have got idea: a small seed of a banyan tree. It is smaller than even a mustard grain, but in that seed there is potency of a big tree, so high, hundred stories high. In your country I see so many big trees very high. There are many other big trees in other planets.\nSo..., but that big tree means that seed. Within that seed, there is so much potency. That we do not understand. Actually, the materialist scientists, they cannot produce such seed. That if you want the tree, you have to sow one seed. If you have to produce a child, you have to sow. The man has to sow the seed in the womb of the woman. This is the practical.\nSo the seed is eternal. That we get information from Vedic literatures. Bījo 'haṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ [Bg. 7.10]. \n[O son of Pṛthā, know that I am the original seed of all existences, the intelligence of the intelligent, and the prowess of all powerful men.]\nNa hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg. 2.20].\n[For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.]\nThat bīja, that seed, does not, I mean to say, annihilate because the body is annihilated. This is the basic principle of understanding for making progress in spiritual life. One who does not understand this basic principle, that the spirit soul, the seed, is eternal, and it is transmigrating different body... And factually we know that \"My father gave the seed in the womb of my mother, that seed. And from that seed developed this body. But I am... When my body was just like, as small, just like a pea, I was there. And I have become so big; I am there. So many bodily changes have taken place, but I am there.\"\nSimilarly, tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati [Bg. 2.13].\n[As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.]\nSimilarly, when we change this body finally and take another body, so one who knows the fact or the science of birth and death, he is not disturbed. He is not disturbed. Dhīras tatra na muhyati. Dhīra means intelligent, cool-headed, not rascal. So this very word is used, dhīra. Dhīra means cool-headed, not disturbed. Na muhyati: \"He is not bewildered.\" He's just changing this body.\nSo now the business is that before changing this body, what kind of other body I am going to get. That is my business. That we can get according to as I deserve. Just like as you educate yourself in your childhood, so you get a particular type of post when you are businessman or working man. If you have got sufficient education, you could get good post, good salary, and if you are a nonsense, then you have to work like ordinary man, no good post. Just we have got, we get different types of post according to our culture or education, similarly this body, this human body, is the preparation ground for the next type of body. If you neglect that, then we are getting..., we are taking the risk.\nSo Parīkṣit Mahārāja, he was not a fool. He was a learned king. So all the great sages and saintly persons assembled there, he asked them, \"My dear sirs, you are so kind that you have come here at the time of my death. So kindly let me know what is my duty at the present moment.\" So there were different kinds of authorities. Different kinds of authorities means some were in favor of fruitive activities, karma-kāṇḍa, pious activities; some were in favor of yoga principle; some were in favor of philosophical speculation; and some were in favor of devotional service, or bhakti.\nSo fortunately, Śukadeva Gosvāmī, a boy of sixteen years old, but he was highly elevated in spiritual knowledge, the son of Vyāsadeva, he was wandering all over the world, naked, and without any care for his body or social convention. Of course, he did not come into the cities, but he heard that Parīkṣit Mahārāja was going to die, \"He is in need of some spiritual instruction.\"\nSo he also came there in that meeting. And when he was coming, because he was a naked boy, sixteen-years-old boy, the street boys were throwing stone upon him. Somebody was fighting just like a madman. But when he entered the assembly, everyone stood up. Then the rascal creatures who were annoying him, they fled away: \"Oh, he is important man, that so many sages and saintly person has stood up.\"\nAnyway, when he reached there, Parīkṣit Mahārāja received him that \"It is my good fortune that at this time you have come, because it is very rarely you go to anyone's house, but Kṛṣṇa has sent you. Now what is my duty?\" Parīkṣit Mahārāja was, from the very beginning... Because the whole family, Pāṇḍava family, they were devotees of Lord Kṛṣṇa, so naturally he was devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa. And when he was child, he was playing with the doll of Kṛṣṇa. These are described here. So he asked, \"What is my duty? Shall I continue my talks on Kṛṣṇa, because naturally I am inclined to Kṛṣṇa? So what is your advice?\"\nSo in answer to that, Śukadeva Gosvāmī... Now, one thing we should note in this connection that Parīkṣit Mahārāja, he was a powerful king. He was equipped with all..., everything, but he did not counteract the curse. He could counteract that curse—he was so powerful—but he accepted: \"All right. I am cursed. I shall give up my life within seven days.\" That means he took it as an opportunity that \"I am going to death within seven days. That is certain. And I must prepare myself fully so that my next life I can approach Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSo this is a good opportunity, that \"I have got seven days' time.\" We haven't got seven seconds' time. We do not know. Nobody has served me notice. We find by practical experience that we are walking on the street—all of a sudden there is some accident, and we die. There is possibility. So the important point is that Mahārāja Parīkṣit was fortunate enough to get seven days' time before his death. But we do not know how much time is there for our death. So how much serious we shall be.\nCāṇakya Paṇḍita says that \"If you want to make spiritual advancement, then you should always think that \"Death is next moment. Death is next moment.\" Because there is no guarantee when death is coming. If I think that death is next moment, that is not any utopian. The next moment may be my death. And Cāṇakya Paṇḍita says, \"But if you want to be materially happy, you should always think that 'I shall never die,' \" although it is false idea. Everyone will die.\nSo Parīkṣit Mahārāja, he was preparing. How he was preparing? He did not take seven days even a drop of water. He sat down tight on the bank of the Ganges, and the Śukadeva Gosvāmī narrated this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, and he heard, and at the end of seven days, at the particular time, he was bitten by a snake and he left this world.\nNow, the beginning of the Second Canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the answer, śrī-śuka uvāca: \"Śrī Śukadeva Gosvāmī is saying.\" Because in the previous chapter the questions were put by Mahārāja Parīkṣit, that \"What is my duty? What is my duty?\" So he says... Because he wanted to know about Kṛṣṇa, so Śukadeva Gosvāmī is approving his very nice praśna, question:\nvarīyān eṣa te praśnaḥ\nkṛto loka-hitaṁ nṛpa\nātmavit sammataḥ puṁsāṁ\nśrotavyādiṣu yaḥ paraḥ\n[SB 2.1.1]\n[Please let me know what a man should hear, chant, remember and worship, and also what he should not do. Please explain all this to me.]\n\"My dear King Parīkṣit, you have put very nice question. And to hear about Kṛṣṇa is the topmost subject of hearing.\" Śrotavyādiṣu yaḥ paraḥ. Paraḥ means topmost, the highest. \"So your question, whether to hear about Kṛṣṇa, is welcome.\" Varīyan eṣa te praśnah kṛto loka-hitaṁ nṛpa [SB 2.1.1]: \"This praśna, this question, is very much beneficial to the people in general,\" loka-hitaṁ. Because Parīkṣit Mahārāja was questioning, and Śukadeva Gosvāmī was answering, but there were many other persons. Although the questions and answers were only for Parīkṣit Mahārāja, not for others, but everyone expected that because Śukadeva Gosvāmī was speaking to the king, that speaking must be very important to everyone.\nSo all the great sages... Even the father of Śukadeva Gosvāmī, Vyāsadeva, who is the compiler of so many Vedic literature, he also came there to hear his sixteen-years-old boy. He was so elevated. It does not matter whether a man is old or young; it is the question of knowledge. So Śukadeva Gosvāmī was so elevated that so many persons assembled there. And the Sūta Gosvāmī, who spoke the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam for the second time amongst the sages of Naimiṣāraṇya, he was also present in that meeting, and he heard from Śukadeva Gosvāmī, and he repeated to the sages of Naimiṣāraṇya.\nSo, śrī-kṛṣṇa-śravaṇādhi-prāyeṇa parama-praśna kṛta eṣa tu varīyan [SB 2.1.1].\n[Please let me know what a man should hear, chant, remember and worship, and also what he should not do. Please explain all this to me.]\nŚukadeva Gosvāmī is congratulating Mahārāja Parīkṣit, that \"You have raised the question of Kṛṣṇa, understanding Kṛṣṇa. It is very welcome.\" Yaḥ praśno 'pi śrotavyādiṣu paraṁ: \"Such kind of question is the topmost question. Topmost question. There is no more better question than this.\" In other words, when you become inquisitive to understand the Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then that very questions will elevate you to the highest perfectional stage.\nSo, śrotavyādiṣu yaḥ para, yasya praśna syapi śravāṇādau paramaḥ puruṣarthaḥ. Now Mahārāja Parīkṣit, er, Śukadeva Gosvāmī says that \"The question put by you and the answer which I shall give to you, even the general persons who are assembled here, they do not understand it rightly. But simply hearing that mantra, or the answers, will give him the highest quality benefit.''\nIn another place it is stated, śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ [SB 1.2.17].\n[Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of Godhead, who is the Paramātmā [Supersoul] in everyone's heart and the benefactor of the truthful devotee, cleanses desire for material enjoyment from the heart of the devotee who has developed the urge to hear His messages, which are in themselves virtuous when properly heard and chanted.]\nNow, this the classes which we hold here, we invite everyone, but those who are fortunate, they come here. But even those who are coming here, they do not understand the philosophy, but simply by hearing the vibration of Hare Kṛṣṇa or the sound vibration, just like I am speaking to you, they will be benefited, even without understanding. It is such a nice thing. Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ. That Kṛṣṇa, description of Kṛṣṇa, is itself a pious activity, puṇya-śravaṇa. Because it is pious, so anyone who is speaking or anyone who is hearing, that is both of them are benefited.\nHow they are benefited?\nśṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ\npuṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ\nhṛdy antaḥ-stho hy abhadrāṇi\nvidhunoti suhṛt satām\n[SB 1.2.17]\nKṛṣṇa is situated in everyone's heart. It is not that because I am a sannyāsī, Kṛṣṇa is sitting within my heart. No. Kṛṣṇa is sitting in everyone's heart. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61].\n[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]\nSo... And He is sentient. He is perfect in knowledge. So this very act, that one is trying to understand Kṛṣṇa, that makes Kṛṣṇa very pleased. Because you have kindly come here, so Kṛṣṇa is within you, and because you are giving your patient hearing, He is already pleased. He is already pleased with you. And the effect will be that śṛṇvatām sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ, hṛdy antaḥ-stho hy abhadrāṇi. Abhadra means the nasty things which we have accumulated within our heart since time immemorial.\nThe beginning is that \"I am this body,\" this conception. This is animal conception, \"I am this body.\" So due to this misconception of our life, we have accumulated many dirty and dusty things within our heart. So if we hear Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam or Bhagavad-gītā, even if we do not understand it, the action will be there.\nThe action will be there. Just like if you touch fire, either you understand it or not understand it, that fire is fire; it will burn your finger. Just like if a child, he does not understand what is fire, but if he touches fire, his fingers or hand will be burned immediately. There is no mercy: \"Oh, here is an innocent child. He does not know.\" No. The law of nature will act.\nSimilarly, kṛṣṇa-kathā, puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtana, it is so pious and it is so spiritual that anyone who will hear it, either by understanding or without understanding, the action will be there like fire. So varīyān eṣa te praśnaḥ [SB 2.1.1].\n[Please let me know what a man should hear, chant, remember and worship, and also what he should not do. Please explain all this to me.]\nSo it is now quarter past, ten past eight. Now, we shall discuss this meeting of Parīkṣit Mahārāja and Śukadeva Gosvāmī continually, so you please come, even if you do not understand. You can understand, because we invite questions and answers. So any human being can understand. But even if you do not understand, the action of hearing will be there.\n[break] ...philosophy, they are purified or attracted simply by this sound vibration. It is so nice. So if we simply give our aural reception to this transcendental sound, then there is immense profit. Immense profit. So we invite everyone to come here and take this advantage.\nThank you very much. Any question.",
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"content": "\n Who was the author of Mahābhārata?",
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"content": "\n Mahābhārata author is Vyāsadeva. Author means it is not an imaginary story. It is historical fact. History anyone can write. So if you mean by author that something original, just like at the present moment there are so many authors of some fiction, novel, and fictitious, it is not like that. The historical incidences were there, and it was put forward by Vyāsadeva. In that sense he is author.",
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"content": "\n When was it written, the Bhagavad-gītā?",
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"content": "\n Five thousand years before. It was after the Battle of Kurukṣetra. The Battle of Kurukṣetra was fought about five thousand years ago, and the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam was written after writing Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, er, Mahābhārata. When Vyāsadeva was not satisfied in his heart even by writing Mahābhārata and Vedānta-sūtra, he was sitting morose, and he was thinking that \"I have written so many nice literature. Why I am not happy?\"\nAt that time his spiritual master, Nārada, came, and he instructed him that \"You have written the history of Mahābhārata. It is very nice. But there is some idea of Kṛṣṇa, or God, but not absolute. You write some book in which simply, absolutely about Kṛṣṇa is there.\" So under his instruction he wrote the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.",
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"content": "\n Did some time lapse between the actual..., Vyāsa's conception of the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and the actual writing down of the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam? Was it passed orally, or was written down by Vyāsa Kṛṣṇa himself?",
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"content": "\n That doesn't matter. If you know something, if you write after some years, what is the difference? That is not very important thing. It was written for the persons... Formerly there was no written literatures. Simply by hearing from the spiritual master, their memory was so sharp that they would grasp. But in this age, the memory is not such sharp.\nTherefore written records are... So these written records were made by Vyāsadeva. All Vedic literature. Formerly, before Vyāsadeva, there was no written literature. Simply... This is called śruti. Śruti means simply by hearing. The student should learn simply by hearing. Their memory was so sharp.\nBut at the present age so many things are reducing gradually. The memory is reducing, the duration of life is reducing, the strength is reducing, and the mercy is reducing. So many things are reducing. We are thinking that we are making progress, but actually we are reducing. This is called māyā. We are making progress on the wrong side.\nThat means reducing. Everyone, you know that people are not so much merciful at the present moment. If a man is attacked by some rogue, nobody is going to help him. If a man's apartment is..., there is a burglar, thief, nobody is going to help him. Or if a man is very poor, nobody is going to help him. It is dwindling. It is decreasing.\nSimilarly, duration of life. Your grandfather, your forefathers, they were living up to hundred years or more than that. And nowadays hardly they are living sixty or seventy years. Similarly, memory. The memory is also reducing. Knowledge is also reducing. This is the symptom of this age. Things will be reduced. Therefore Lord Caitanya is the most magnanimous.\nHe knows that \"People will not be very much alert in accepting spiritual knowledge after undergoing so much austerities and penances. Let them chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and take immediately.\" That is the special gift of Lord Caitanya. And Rūpa Gosvāmī therefore prayed Him, namo mahā-vadānyāya: \"You are the greatest munificent incarnation.\" Kṛṣṇa prema-pradāya te [Cc. Madhya 19.53]:\n[”O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\n\"You are distributing love of Kṛṣṇa.\" So unfortunately, we are not ready to accept His benediction.\nAny other question?",
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"content": "\n The stories of Kṛṣṇa's pastimes in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, are they found in the Vedas also?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n All the Vedic literatures? Why would they be written down?",
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"content": "\n Written? Nothing was written. Vedas was also not written. They were heard from disciplic succession. The first writing business was done by Vyāsadeva. Before that, there was nothing in writing. All Vedic scriptures, they were learned by simply hearing. That's all. The brahmacārīs will live in the direction of the spiritual master and hear in the class, and they will learn. That's all. No written book, neither there was notebook. Everything was heard by [indistinct]. There was no need of writing.\nTherefore this whole Vedic literature is called śruti. Śruti means simply hearing. There was... Even in recent years there was a learned paṇḍita in Calcutta, and there was some... In the British days there was some quarrel between two Britishers, and one of them complained to the magistrate, and the magistrate inquired, \"Who is your witness?\" Then one of them said that \"Well, there was nobody else. But there was a paṇḍita. He was worshiping in that bank of the Ganges. So we had some quarrel. He has heard it.\"\nSo he was called. So he stated that \"I do not know what they talked, because they were talking in English language. But I can produce what they talked.\" So he produced the whole thing verbatim, that \"He talked like this. He talked like this. He talked like this. He talked like this.\" Just like record, tape record. Just see. Even some hundred years before, the memory was so sharp. Just like tape recorder, it is recorded. This is mechanical. But by nature we have got such nice brain...\nJust like we remember so many things of our past life. That is recorded. Actually it is recorded. Everything is recorded. How you are getting this television? Because it is recorded in the atmosphere. It is being simply transferred. Everything is recorded. But we have deteriorated in our even physical condition that we cannot produce the recorded version.\nSo we are making ourself dull, duller, dullest. Just like Sir George Bernard Shaw, he also stated that \"You are what you eat.\" So by eating process, we are making our brain dull. So there is need of nice eating, nice talking, nice thinking, nice behavior. Then our brain is sharp. It requires training.\nIt is not that you can do whatever you like, and all nonsense, and your brain will be sharp. What is the difference between crazy and sane man? They keep nice behavior; therefore they are sane man. And if you put to you nonsense behavior, then you become crazy. This is a fact.\n[pause] All right. Chant.\n[77:55]\n[kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances] [end]",
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"content": "\nYou can open that door. You are feeling cold by opening the door?\nHaṁsadūta\n:\n No. No, I'm fine.\n Hmm. Naturally it is cold, you can close that door. [break]\nsambhavanti hi bhadrāṇi\nviparītāni cānaghāḥ\nkāriṇāṁ guṇa-saṅgo 'sti\ndehavān na hy akarma-kṛt\n[SB 6.1.44]\nDehavān. Dehavān means the living entities who have accepted this material body. Dehavān. Vān, there is a Sanskrit verb, vatup, asty arthe vatup. When one possesses something, it is called vatup-pratyāya, and from vatup it becomes vān. Dehavān means \"one who possesses this material world.\" Just like there are many other, bhagavān, gunavān—vān means \"possesses.\" Similarly, here also the same word is used, vān, dehavān. So the Yamadūta says that anyone who accepted this material body, he has to work. He has to work.\nThere are three kinds of energies of God: viṣṇu-śaktiḥ parā proktā [Cc. Madhya 6.154]. Actually, the Lord's energy is spiritual, spiritual energy. Viṣṇu-śaktiḥ parā proktā. And these living entities, they are also parā. Kṣetra-jñākhyā tathā parā—there is another śakti, kṣetrajña. The kṣetrajña-śakti means we living entities, we are also energy of Kṛṣṇa, of God. We are known as kṣetrajña-śakti. Kṣetrajña-śakti means I know about my body; the pains and pleasure of my body I can understand. Therefore I am living…, living entity.\nThe non-living entities..., a stone cannot understand the pains and pleasures, because there is no life. But as soon as there is life, the pains and pleasures are felt. The dead body cannot feel pains and pleasure. But kṣetra-jñākhyā tathā parā. As the direct energy of Kṛṣṇa, or God, is spiritual, similarly the living entities, they are also of the same nature. Therefore God and the living entities are one, because of the same nature, parā.\nTṛtīya-śaktīr anyā. Another…, there is another śakti, tathā-para, tṛtīya-śaktīr karma-saṅga. Another śakti, the spiritual śakti, spiritual energy, is one, and the material energy, there you have to work. Tṛtīya karma-saṅga anya. There is another energy, where you have to work; otherwise there is no… You have to work, anyone who has got this body, material body.\nJust like an ant and an elephant, both have got this material body, but none of them can sit idly. The ant requires a grain of sugar, and the elephant requires three hundred mounds for eating at a time. Huge quantity. But both of them have to work. The ant cannot say, \"Oh, I require only a little grain.\" The lion, he has to also work. He cannot say, \"I am lion.\" Just like our Lions members, Lion Club, they like lion, as if they haven't got to work, or…\nSo, nahi suptasya siṁhasya praviśyanti mukhe mṛgāḥ [Hitopadeśa]. One lion thought—there is a story—that \"I am the king of the animals, so I shall sleep, and I shall order all the animals to come, and I shall eat.\" So he lied down for several days; no animal came, and he was starving. Therefore he had to work; he had to find out his prey.\nActually, the lions and tigers, they do not find every day their prey. That is another miserable condition. They are very powerful, but they have very little chance of showing their power. So unless some animal comes, what is the use of power? The animals..., every animal is careful. No one is going to the forest where tiger and lions are there. Everyone takes care. So animals also. But when they are too much starving, Kṛṣṇa gives them food: \"All right you can kill this animal.\" They cannot get every day. Neither they can get food by sleeping: \"I will not work.\" No, that is not. Nahi suptasya siṁhasya praviśyanti mukhe mṛgāḥ—a Hitopadeśa story.\nSo here in this material world you cannot cease working. You have to work. Kṛṣṇa also says to Arjuna that \"You cannot live even without working.\" So you have to work. Foolish people say that Vaiṣṇavas, they do not work. They work. They work simply for Kṛṣṇa, day and night. Twenty-four hours they work. They are not idle sleepers. So in this material world, you have to work. But if you work for Kṛṣṇa, that is dharma. And if you do not work for Kṛṣṇa, that is adharma. That's all.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa says,\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\n\"You simply work for Me.\" That is life. Is there any counterarguments against this logic? You have to work, but if you work for Kṛṣṇa, then you are saved. If you work for your sense gratification, you'll become entangled—one after another, one after another, one after another. Then you cannot get out of these clutches of repeated birth and death. You have to continue sense gratification—sometimes a man, sometimes a demigod, sometimes an animal, sometimes a tree, sometime an insect, sometime a bird, sometime an aquatic, sometime this planet, sometimes another planet.\nThere are innumerable planets, varieties of planets, and innumerable varieties of living entities in this material world, and they are rotating here, there, here, there, here, there. But under the spell of māyā, when one gets a particular type of body, he identities himself that \"I am this body\"— \"I am Indian,\" \"I am American,\" \"I am this,\" \"I am that,\" \"I am that\"—and he becomes entangled in that business and simply spoils his life under this impression, false impression, false egotism.\nCaitanya Mahaprabhu clearly says, jīvera svarūpa haya nitya kṛṣṇa dāsa [Cc. Madhya 20.108]. The actual constitutional position of the living entity is that he's eternal servant, eternal servant of God. If he takes that position, then he's safe; otherwise he's not.\nSo in order to be elevated to this position there are different stages. The first stage is karma. Tṛtīya karma-saṅga anya tṛtīya śaktir iṣyate [Cc. Madhya 6.154]. The material energy…, those who are in the modes of ignorance, just like animals, they have no other information, neither they can understand what he is. There is no possibility in the animal life of understanding what I am. That is not possible. Therefore we should utilize this human form of life to understand what I am.\nWhen Sanātana Gosvāmī approached Lord Caitanya to become His disciple, he surrendered himself and said, \"My dear Lord, I was minister, and people used to address me as a learned man. And I accepted them, that 'I am very learned man. I am very intelligent man.' But actually, I am neither learned, neither intelligent, because I do not know what I am. This is my learning. I know everything except what I am.\" That's all.\nThe modern education is like that. He'll talk of everything, but if you ask him, \"What you are?\" oh, there is no answer. There is no answer. Grāmya-vyavahāre kaha e paṇḍita, sākṣa kare māni [Cc. Madhya 20.100]. Sanātana Gosvāmī says that \"These foolish neighbors, they call me very learned man, and I also become self-complacent. I think, 'Oh, I am. I am learned.' \"\nPeople say, \"You are B.A.,\" \"You are M.A.,\" \"You are Ph.D.,\" and I think \"Yes, I am very learned man.\" But if a Ph.D. man is asked, \"Can you kindly explain what you are, what is your necessity?\" he will simply say about this body: \"I am Indian,\" \"I am this,\" \"I am Hindu,\" \"I am a man,\" \"I am woman.\" That means he can simply give his identification of this body, which he is not. Therefore he is fool number one. He is giving identification—this is called pramāṇa.\nArjuna was thinking in that term: \"Kṛṣṇa, how can I fight? On the other side there are my cousin-brother and his sons; they are my nephews. And my cousin-brother's brother-in-law, all are there. And if I kill my cousin-brothers, then their wives will be widows, and they will be polluted, and there will be unwanted children…\" So many things he was explaining as a very learned man. Very learned man.\nSo when he was puzzled, he was answering in his own way. But he was puzzled. At that time he said, \"Kṛṣṇa, I am now actually puzzled. Actually, I am ksatriya; it is my duty to fight. But I am deviating from that duty. So I know that this is my fault, but I am puzzled. I cannot clear up what to do. And I know that you can explain what is my duty. Therefore I surrender unto You as Your disciple.\" Śiṣyas te 'haṁśādhi māṁ prapannam [Bg. 2.7]: \"I surrender unto You. Please instruct me what is to be done.\"\nThis is the position everyone. Everyone is puzzled. Nobody knows what is actual duty, what is the actual position. Therefore the Bhāgavat says, tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta: when one is actually inquisitive to understand his position, that inquisitiveness is the qualification for approaching a spiritual master. Otherwise there is no need of having a spiritual master for the showbottle. There is no need of spiritual…\nTasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥśreya uttamam [SB 11.3.21]. One who is actually serious to understand about himself, he requires a spiritual master. Otherwise, why he makes show: \"Oh, so many people have got spiritual masters, just like so many people maintain dogs; I will have to maintain a dog.\" Not like that.\nYou must find out seriously a spiritual master who can solve the problems of your life. Saṁsāra dāvānala-līḍha-loka-trāṇāya [Śrī Śrī Gurv-aṣṭaka], that is the first line. Everyone is suffering in the blazing fire of this material existence. And if he is serious to get out of it, he must approach a bona fide spiritual master. That is the injunction of the Veda.\nSo this material existence, you have to work. And you have to work means you have to work pious or impious. There are two things—dharma and adharma, lawful or illegal. Therefore the Vedas are there. How you can work lawfully without? You cannot work unlawfully. Just like in the state, in any circumstances you cannot work unlawfully. Then you'll be arrested.\nWhy don't you believe in the God's kingdom? The atheists, they take up the position of God, because if they accept that there is God, then all their sinful activities have to be explained, and they are afraid of that. Therefore, just like sometimes the…, what is it called? The ja… I forget the name. There is one animal; just now I am forgetting.",
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"content": "\n So the rabbit, when some animal comes to attack, he closes his eyes, [laughter] as if there is no danger. Yes. And the animal is very easily captured. You see? And all the animals. Even the monkeys, they also sometimes drop from the tree, and then there is another ferocious animal—close the eyes.\nSo this atheistic class of men, they, by closing their eyes, they try to forget: \"There is no God. I am God.\" But that will not save them. God's action will be there. They may think like that: \"There is no God. I am closing my eyes. I don't care for God.\"\nJust like government…, some foolish persons, and we have actually seen it. Gandhi inaugurated the civil disobedience movement. So out of enthusiasm, 60,000 Indians, they went to… Because Gandhi said jail was svaraj ka mandir hai: \"If you accept jail, then that is the opening for…, you are successful.\" But some of my friends also went to jail, civil disobedience, and there was one friend, I asked him, \"What is your condition?\"\nActually, many gentlemen died after coming back from that civil disobedience jail. C. R. Das died; many. They…, slow poison, and beaten like anything. They know how to govern that they may not come again in this jail. So many people died, and they suffered. And so I asked one of my friends, \"So whether you are going again to jail?\" He said, \"No, no. I am not going.\" You see?\nSo similarly, we may defy the existence of God, \"There is no God. I don't care for God. There is no law. I am everything, so 'haṁ,\" but that closing will not do. God has many agents. As soon as you do something wrong, immediately there is punishment. There is punishment.\nSo you have to work. Avidya-karma-samjñānya trtiya śaktir isyate [Cc. Madhya 6.154]. So long we are in the material…, under the spell of this material energy, you have to work. And because you have to work, some work may be very good, some work must be some bad. That is natural. So a devotee says, therefore, kāmādināṁ kati na katidhā pālitā durnideṣaḥ [Cc. Madhya 22.16]:\n\"My dear Lord, actually I am Your servant, but because I wanted to be master, therefore I became servant of so many masters.\"\nOne master is lust: I am the servant of lust. Kāmādināṁ. The first servant is kama, lust. Therefore for spiritual life one has to stop this lusty desires: brahmacārī, sannyāsī, restricted household life. Because the lust is the basic principle of this, ah, yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tucchaṁ [SB 7.9.45]. There are many instances.\nSo we are servant of lust, servants of anger. Kāmādināṁ. The lust is the first, ādi. Then when lust is not fulfilled, then we become angry. Just like a child, he wants something; if you don't give it then he becomes angry and cries. So one after another—lust, anger, greediness, so many. Kāmādināṁ. So we become, in the name of becoming God, becoming independent, we become servant of these propensities. That's all. Kāmādināṁ.\nAnd they dictate us, \"You do. Never mind there is risk, you do it.\" Durnideśāḥ. Durnideśāḥ means just like I am a servant in a firm, and he is black-marketing, and the master orders me \"You must do this business, black market.\" That is illegal, but because my master asks me, I have to do it. This is called durnideśāḥ. Durnideśāḥ.\nSo lust… Of course, there is arrangement for fulfilling your lust. God has arranged everything. You are very much anxious to satisfy your senses, so there is arrangement that you satisfy your senses. You legally accept a wife or you legally accept a husband and satisfy your senses and be Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is the law.\nBut if one becomes so much lusty that he does not take responsibility of accepting a wife or husband—he fulfills his desires in some other way—that entangles him. This is going on. Lust. So first thing is the illicit order of the lust: \"Why not? Why should you restrict yourself in one wife? Why not have a thousand friends and go on satisfying your senses?\" This is called durnideśāḥ. The lust is dictating him.\nSo when one comes to the senses, he says, \"My Lord, I wanted to be master, but I became servant of all these propensities.\" Kāmādināṁ. \"Not only I became servant, but I executed their orders, illegal orders.\" Kāmādīnāṁ kati na katidhā pālitā durnideśāḥ [Cc. Madhya 22.16]. \"But now I see that still, they are not satisfied. I have served the lust so faithfully that I carried things which is not to be done; still the lust is not satisfied.\"\nTeṣāṁ na karuṇā jatā. \"And I have worked for them so faithfully, still they are not happy, they are not pleased. They're not kind upon me: still ordering, still ordering, still ordering.\" Kāmādīnāṁ kati na katidhā pālitā durnideśāḥ, teṣāṁ na mayi karuṇā na jatā. \"They're not kind enough. They do not think that 'This rascal has worked blindly on my dictation; now let him go, let him take rest.' 'No, you must work.' \" This is the position.\nTeṣāṁ na mayi karuṇā na jatā na trapā. \"All right, if…, they are not kind. But if I ask, 'Are you satisfied with my service?' 'No.' \" Na trapā. \" 'Are you now peaceful?' 'No.' \" Nopaśāntiḥ. \" 'Will you stop dictating me any more?' 'No. So long you live, I must dictate.' \" This is our position. And people… This is called illusion, māyā. He's trying to be master, but he is becoming more and more servant of these six propensities.\nManaḥ-ṣaṣṭhāni indriyāṇi prakṛti-sthāni karṣati, in the Bhagavad-gītā [15.7]. Under mental speculation, being servant of lust, greediness, anger, they are struggling hard in this material world. Prakṛti-sthāni karṣati. Mamaiv… \"But they are actually My parts and parcels,\" mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ [Bg. 15.7]…, ah…",
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"content": "\n Jīva-bhūtaḥ sanātanaḥ.",
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"content": "\n Ah. Sanātanaḥ, eternal. But they have taken to this business. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is so kind, He comes personally: \"You rascal, you give up all this nonsense. Surrender unto Me—I will give you protection.\" But the rascal will not agree. Just like the hog, when Brahmā said, \"You are Indra. You have been cursed to become a hog.\nNow whatever is done is done; now I've come to take you. Please come.\" \"No, sir. I cannot go. I cannot leave my responsibilities. I have got so many responsibilities.\" \"Are you a hog? You are suffering. And this is not your life—you are Indra. Come on.\" \"No, no. I don't want Indra. I don't want to be Indra. I want to remain a hog.\" \"All right, remain.\"\nSimilarly, Kṛṣṇa comes to claim you, reclaim you: sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. \"No, Sir, I will not come. This is not possible. I'll remain a hog.\" \"All right, remain a hog.\" What Kṛṣṇa can do? And what Kṛṣṇa's father can do? Unless you agree to surrender, you will be allowed, \"All right, you go on with your business.\" That is required. The first proposition, the first condition, is that you must agree to surrender.\nThat is the whole teachings of Bhagavad-gītā. We should stop all this nonsense, benevolent work, \"I am nationalist,\" \"I am socialist,\" \"I am this,\" \"I am that.\" You can go on with that work, but so long you do not agree to be Kṛṣṇa-ized, or Kṛṣṇa conscious, your this position of repeated birth and death under different condition of life will continue.\nSo the karmīs' position is so precarious. And there are… When one is disgusted with this karmīs' position, just like this devotee says, that \"I have served so long, Sir, but they are not satisfied. They are not satisfied, and I have become fed up. Now I have come to You, Sir. Please engage me in Your service.\" That is Hare Kṛṣṇa. Hare means \"O my…, the energy of Kṛṣṇa,\" and Kṛṣṇa means \"O Kṛṣṇa.\" This is addressing: \"O energy,\" or \"Energy…\"\nBecause just like this material energy, we have to…, we are energy; we have to be under other energy. Just like there are different departments of government. They are different energies. So one energy is under some energy, another energy is under some energy. Similarly, we are marginal energy, tathasta śakti. Tathasta śakti.\nSo we have to live either under the spiritual energy or under this material energy. That is our choice. Just like you have made a choice to come here, that you are agreeing to come under spiritual energy. But there are many who may not come. They do not agree to come under the spiritual energy.\nSo God does not interfere: \"You may remain wherever you like.\" But because we have got this living condition, we have got this discriminating power what to do, and therefore sat-saṅga is required to come to our senses. Just like naughty children are sent to school to become pacified and to learn. Similarly, this sat-saṅga is required.\nThat was India's civilization. In every village, in every town, there was arrangement for sat-saṅga, and the brāhmaṇas, they were meant for, I mean to say, disseminating this Vedic knowledge. And people used to take knowledge. The kṣatriyas, the vaiśyas, they used to take knowledge from these learned brāhmaṇas; they used to act accordingly.\nTherefore they were happy. Now they have left everything. Everything has be…, everyone has become God, and they can defy any Vedic rules, and they can eat any nonsense, like hogs. And a svāmī will say, \"Yes, there is no [indistinct] of your religion; simply meditate that you are God, then everything is finished.\"\nBut that is not the actual position. You have to hear.\nsatāṁ prasaṅgān mama vīrya-saṁvido\nbhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ kathāḥ\n[SB 3.25.25]\nYou have to hear from the right source. Therefore Vedic literature is called śruti, \"by hearing.\" Śravaṇaṁ. \nśravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ\nsmaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam\narcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyaṁ\nsakhyam ātma-nivedanam\n[SB 7.5.23]\nThese are the rules and regulations. Everything is there. If you kindly accept this authority, then your life is successful. Otherwise, kāmādīnāṁ kati na katidhā pālitā durnideśāḥ—be satisfied with sense gratification like dogs and hogs, and repeated birth and death and so on. This is not threatening; this is actually the fact. But unfortunately we do not try to understand these things. That is our misfortune.\nThank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances] [break]",
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"content": "\n I am telling that… You told a very good support of having a good and extraordinary life.",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n But I am thinking that [indistinct], that he's not aware of that, so he's [indistinct]. Now there is no way of, of preparing for [indistinct] \"I'm going there. Don't worry.\"",
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"content": "\n That is foolishness. You see? That is foolishness. Why should you surrender in that way? That is… In human life, one does not go to the tiger and \"Please eat me.\" No. He takes precaution. If you have got precautionary measures, why shouldn't you accept it? Kṛṣṇa says,\nmām eva ye prapadyante\nmāyām etāṁ taranti te\n[Bg. 7.14]\nYou are saved from all the reactions of this māyā simply by surrendering to Kṛṣṇa. Why don't you accept this? Why do you say that \"All right. Please, kindly, Mr. Tiger, I have no other way. Please eat me.\" Philanthropic? That's not very good idea. When there is precautionary measures, why don't you accept it? You can save yourself.",
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"content": "\n God has made several times...",
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"content": "\nEh?",
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"content": "\n God has made several [indistinct]. He said [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n? God has not made; you have made.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] knowledge from [indistinct]. We can know that.",
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"content": "\n That is nature's way, nature's way. This is called sad-vikāra. This is nature's law. You cannot avoid it. This is called apakṣaya, apakṣaya, dwindling. Anything, it remain fresh. Just like flower, from the bud it grows, and then it fructifies and becomes very beautiful. Then there are some seeds, everything…, then it becomes dry, withered, and then finish. This is law, applicable to every... Anything material, this law is applicable. Anything material.\nBut when you, ah, under spirit, when you go to the spiritual world, these things are not there. That is eternal. So if you have got chance for being promoted to such eternal life, why not try in this human form of life for that eternal life. Kṛṣṇa says, \nyad gatvā na nivartante\ntad dhāma paramaṁ mama\n[Bg. 15.6]\nmām upetya kaunteya\nduḥkhālayam aśāśvatam\nnāpnuvanti mahātmānaḥ\nsaṁsiddhiṁ paramāṁ gatāḥ\n[Bg. 8.15]\nWhy don't you accept this? The things are there. The measures are there. Just like there are schools, there are colleges—it is open for education. If you don't take education, then that is up to you. So these books are there. Anādi bahirmukha jīva kṛṣṇa bhuli gela [Cc. Madhya 20.117]. We have forgotten Kṛṣṇa. We do not know from where it began. But it is a fact that we have forgotten Kṛṣṇa. Now try to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. This is the opportunity.",
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"content": "\n Which is the correct way for one who wants to get himself liberated from the bondage of lust, when he is [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Because one may not be doing physically anything, but mentally everybody is doing something in one thing or another.\nYes. That I explained, that you have to work. You cannot avoid work. But if you work for Kṛṣṇa, you are saved. A simple thing.\nYes, that is also [indistinct] by worshiping.",
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"content": "\n Well, when you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, what Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, you have to do that. That's all. Kṛṣṇa consciousness means to apply practically in life the instruction of Kṛṣṇa. That's all. Why don't you do that? Is there any difficulty?",
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"content": "\nYes, it is really very difficult.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\nIt is really very difficult!",
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"content": "\n Yes, it is difficult... So long…, so long you are rebellious it is difficult. \"Why shall I surrender to Kṛṣṇa?\" That is the difficulty. Otherwise it is second's business. You try, immediately surrender to Kṛṣṇa, He takes charge of you. He says, ahaṁ tvāṁ pariksyāmi sarva-pāpe... [Bg. 18.66]. But you won't do. That is your determination: \"Why should I surrender to Kṛṣṇa?\" All right. Don't do it. He gives you guarantee that \"I take charge of you.\" Why don't you surrender? Say it—what is your objection?",
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"content": "\nThere is no objection to it.",
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"content": "\n Then why don't you do it?",
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"content": "\nI am doing it, but it is very difficult.",
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"content": "\n Why difficult? So many others are doing. What is the difficulty? They are in a different culture, different society. They are doing. And what is your difficulty?",
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"content": "\nBecause these people, they have left the material world, and they have become…",
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"content": "\n They have not left… All these girls, they've got their husbands. Here is husband and wife sitting. What do you mean by \"material world\"? Eating, sleeping, mating and defending—this is material life. So are they not eating? They're starving? Are they not sleeping? Are they not mating? The wife is there. What do you mean by material life?\nThese four things, but they are Kṛṣṇa conscious, that is the difference. Simply they have accepted Kṛṣṇa as life; otherwise nothing is denied to them. It is not that they are eating…, they are not eating, they are not sleeping, they are not mating, they are not defending, they have become all fools and rascals. No.\nDon't misunderstand that Kṛṣṇa consciousness means to avoid everything. Why? You have to work in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that's all. Otherwise nothing is denied. So it is our obstinacy that we do not take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Otherwise there is no difficulty. \"I shall not take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness\"—that is the defect.\nSo this can be avoided if you attend. Just like all these boys, they were also like that, but attending these lectures, lectures, lectures, one day they \"Sir, I shall become…\" Like that. That is the way. Therefore sat-saṅga is required. In the beginning it appears very difficult, but if you associate with devotees, this māyā, this false idea, will be…\nCeto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and these difficulties will be over. Simple method. If you feel difficulty, go on chanting constantly, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa. And all difficulties will be avoided.",
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"content": "\nWhat does this word sat-saṅga mean?",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nWhat does that word sat-saṅga mean?\nSat-saṅga.",
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"content": "\n Sat-saṅga. Sat-saṅga, you do not know this word? Sat-saṅga means to associate with devotees. That's all. There are sat-saṅga and asat-saṅga. If you associate with devotees, then your path of liberation is clear. And if you associate with materialists, then your path of darkness is open. That's all. There are two paths. Mahat-sevāṁ dvāram āhur vimuktes [SB 5.5.2]. Mahat-sevā.\nWhen you engage yourself in the service of mahat… Mahat means those who are…, one who is surrendered, this, Kṛṣṇa has said surrender. As soon as you surrender, you become a mahat. And one who serves the mahat, mahat-sevā, for him, dvāram āhur vimuktes. Then his path of, path of liberation becomes open.\nTamo-dvāraṁ yoṣitāṁ saṅgi-saṅgam. And if you associate yoṣit—yoṣit means sense gratificatory agent. Generally, yoṣit is understood as women, but not…, that is limited. Anything sense gratification, that is called yoṣit. Yoṣit saṅgi-saṅgam. If you associate with persons..., those who are too much addicted to sense gratification, then you're tamo-dvāraṁ. You must know that you are making progress to the darkness. Mahat-sevāṁ dvāram āhur vimuktes.\nSo you have to… These things are there. We have to simply learn. Just like a boy, uneducated, when he goes to the school everything becomes clear. He becomes M.A., Ph.D. That's all. So we have got this advantage. In our India especially, so many literatures, they are available, but we are not taking advantage of them. They are misguided. To take birth on the land of Bhārata-varṣa is a great opportunity. But we are not taking advantage. Neither there is encouragement from the government side, from the parents' side, so-called spiritual master. So our position is very precarious.",
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"content": "\nSwāmījī, [Hindi].",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]\nGuest: [\nHindi]\n Hah. Karmāṇi nirdahati kintu ca bhakti-bhājāṁ [Bs. 5.54]. [Hindi] Beginning from Indra, the king of heaven, down to the indra germ… There is a small germ which is called indra-gopa, very small. In the Brahma-saṁhitā it is said,\nyas tv indragopam athavendram aho sva-karma-\nbandhānurūpa-phala-bhājanam ātanoti\n[Bs. 5.54]\nBeginning from that big Indra down to this small indra, everyone is bound up by the reaction of his own work. Karmāṇi nirdahati kintu ca bhakti-bhājāṁ. If you take to devotional service, your karma will be immediately curtailed. Why? Kṛṣṇa says, \"Never mind you are bound up by karma. You take shelter upon Me, I'll give you protection.\" When Kṛṣṇa gives you protection, assures you, why you are fearing the karma-bāṇḍa?\nGuest: [\nHindi]\n [Hindi] Those who are attached to these fruitive activities, for them, not for the devotees. Don't you see? These Europeans, Americans, how much abominable life was there. Now see. Because they have taken to devotional service, immediately changed—everything. That assurance is there, the śāstra is there, the practical result is there. But the only determination is that \"I will not take to this path.\" That is the hindrance. \"I will not take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" That is our misfortune. Otherwise, everything is there.",
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"content": "\nPrakṛtiṁ yānti bhūtāni nigrahaḥ kiṁ kariṣyati [Bg. 3.33].",
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"content": "\n Ah. Prakṛti..., why should you keep in this prakṛti, material prakṛti? There is other prakṛti. Why don't you take the spiritual prakṛti? That you can accept.\nWhen Kṛṣṇa says that \"You come to this side,\" why don't you come? That is your independence. Just like Kṛṣṇa asks Arjuna that \"Now I have instructed you everything. What you are going to do?\" Kṛṣṇa was not certain that \"Arjuna will accept My advice.\" That independence is there. But he said, \"Yes,\" kariṣye vacanaṁ tava, \"I shall accept.\" That is required.",
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"content": "\nŚiṣyas te 'haṁśādhi māṁ tvāṁ prapannam [Bg. 2.7].",
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"content": "\n Yes. So if you agree, everything is there. If you don't agree, what can be done? Yes?",
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"content": "\n[Hindi] The desires are increasing day by day. This is the [indistinct]. So what is the best way of controlling that desires and stopping the desires?",
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"content": "\n If one engages himself in the service of the pure devotee, then his direction of his energy becomes more purified, the more one serves the pure devotee. I found that this was true. Before I was a devotee I used to come to the temple and do little things—paint here and there, pull a few weeds. Just for an hour every day I would do this, for a week.\nThen it became two hours, then it became four hours, then I never went home. I had to stay, because I found that that was like licking on the outside of the bottle of honey, like a bee. But if the jar becomes open, and he can go right in, then what is the need for him going round the outside of the jar? So, the honey is here. Prabhupāda has brought us here. So you come here once a day, twice a day, so... You keep coming.\n[indistinct]\n That is māyā.\n That is not living [indistinct].\n[indistinct] I told Mahārāja I want to...",
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"content": "\n Well, svārtha, here also. Everyone has got. But they do not know. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ [SB 7.5.31]. Everyone's svārtha is Visnu. When you concentrate on Kṛṣṇa, that is real svārtha—all these nonsense svartha… [break] [end]",
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"content": "\n [reading] \"It is also wrong to consider that simply by becoming a vegetarian one can save himself from transgressing the laws of nature. Vegetables also have life. One life is meant to feed another living being, and that is the law of nature. One should not be proud of being a strict vegetarian. The point is to recognize the Supreme Lord. The animals have no developed consciousness to recognize the Lord, but a human being...\"",
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"content": "\n That is the main point. Just like there are the Buddhists, they are also vegetarian. According to Buddhist principle... Nowadays everything has deteriorated, but Lord Buddha's propaganda was to make the rascals at least to stop animal-killing. Ahiṁsā paramo dharma.\nLord Buddha's appearance is described in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and many Vedic literatures, sura-dviṣām. He came to cheat the demons. The demons... He made such a policy that the demons were cheated. How He has cheated? The demons, they are against God. They don't believe in God. So Lord Buddha propagated, \"Yes, there is no God. But what I say, you follow.\" \"Yes, sir.\" But He is God. [laughter] This is cheating. Yes. They do not believe in God, but they believe in Buddha, and Buddha is God. Keśava-dhṛta-buddha-śarīra jaya jagadīśa hare [Śrī Daśāvatāra Stotra 9].\nSo that is the difference between a demon and a devotee. A devotee sees that how Kṛṣṇa, Keśava, is cheating these rascals. The devotee can understand. But the demons, they think, \"Oh, we have got a nice leader. He does not believe in God.\" [laughter] You see? [chuckles] Sammohāya sura-dviṣām [SB 1.3.24]. The exact Sanskrit word is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. You have seen, those who have read: sammohāya, for bewildering sura-dviṣām. Sura-dviṣām means persons who are envious of the Vaiṣṇavas.\nThe atheist class, demons, they are always envious of the devotees. That is the law of nature. You see this father. Father became an enemy of a five-years-old son. What was his fault? He was a devotee. That's all. Innocent boy. Simply he was, I mean to say, attracted with chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. The father himself, he became a staunch enemy: \"Kill this boy.\" So if a father can become enemy, what to speak of others.\nSo you should always expect that as soon as you become a devotee, the whole world becomes your enemy. That's all. But you have to deal with them, because you are appointed servants of God. Your mission is to enlighten them. So you cannot be... Just like Lord Nityānanda, He was injured, but still He delivered Jagāi-Mādhāi. That should be your principle. Sometimes we have to cheat, sometimes we have to be injured—so many things. The only device is how people can become Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is our mission. Some way or other these rascals should be converted to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, either this way or that way.\nSo Lord Buddha, he cheated the demons. Why he cheated? Sadaya-hṛdaya darśita-paśu-ghātam. He was very compassionate. God is always sympathetic to all living entities, because everyone is His son. So these rascals were killing unrestrictedly, simply animal killing... And if you say, \"Oh, why you are animal-killing?\" They will immediately say, \"Oh, it is in the Vedas. Yes. Paśavo vadhāya sṛṣṭa.\" The animal killing is there in the Vedas, but what's the purpose? That is to test the Vedic mantra. An animal will be put into the fire, and by Vedic mantra he'll be rejuvenated. That is sacrifice, animal sacrifice. Not that for eating purpose.\nTherefore in this age of Kali, Caitanya Mahāprabhu has forbidden any kind of yajña, because there is no, I mean to say, expert brāhmaṇa who can chant the mantras and make experiment of the Vedic mantras, that \"Here is coming out.\" That is... Before performing yajña, how the mantra is potent, that was tested by sacrificing animal and again giving new life. Then it is to be understood that the priests who were chanting that mantra, that is right. That was a test. Not for animal killing.\nBut these rascals, for eating animals they cited, \"Here, there is animal killing.\" Just like in Calcutta... You have been in Calcutta? And there is a street, College Street. Now it is differently named. I think it is named Vidhan Raya[?], just like... Anyway, so there are some slaughterhouses. So slaughterhouses means the Hindus, they do not purchase meat from Muslims' shop. That is impure. [laughter] The same thing: stool this side and that side. They are eating meat, [chuckles] and Hindu shop is pure, Muslim shop is impure.\nThese are mental concoction. Religion is going on like that. Therefore... Therefore fighting: \"I am Hindu,\" \"I am Muslim,\" \"I am Christian.\" Nobody knows religion. You see? They have given up religion, these rascals. There is no religion. The real religion is this, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, which teaches how to love God. That's all. That is religion. Any religion, it doesn't matter whether Hindu religion, Muslim religion, Christian religion, if you are developing love of God, then you are perfect in your religion. Otherwise you are rascal; your religion is nonsense. That is the test.\nsa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharma\nyato bhaktir adhokṣaje\nahaituky apratihatā\nyayātmā suprasīdati\n[SB 1.2.6]\nThis is Bhāgavata religion. That is first-class religion. What is that? Yataḥ, by executing the religious principles, if you develop your love for the Supreme, who is beyond expression of your words and beyond the activities of your mind... Adhokṣaja. This very word is used, adhokṣaja: where your material senses cannot approach. And what kind of that love? Ahaitukī, without any cause. \"O Lord, I love You, God, because You supply me so many nice things. You are order-supplier.\" No. Not that sort of love. Without any exchange.\nThat is taught by Caitanya Mahāprabhu, that \"Whatever You do...\" Āśliṣya vā pada-ratāṁ pinaṣṭu mām [Cc. Antya 20.47]. \"Either You trample Me under Your feet or You embrace Me... What You like. You make Me brokenhearted by not seeing You—that doesn't matter. Still You are My worshipable Lord.\" That is love. \"From God's side, He may do whatever He likes. I don't want anything in exchange.\" That is love. That sort of love Kṛṣṇa wants.\nTherefore He was so much fond of the gopīs. In the gopīs' love there was no question of business propaganda—\"Give me this, then I love You.\" [chuckles] No. That is pure love. That is unalloyed love. Ahaituky apratihatā. Apratihatā means without being checked. No impediment. If you want to love God, there is nothing throughout the whole world which can check you. Simply you have to develop your eagerness: \"Kṛṣṇa, I want You.\" That's all. Then there is no question of checking. In any condition you'll increase your love, increase your love. Ahaituky apra...\nAnd why this? Yayātmā suprasīdati. If you attain that state, then you will feel fully satisfied. Otherwise not. Otherwise not. If you can develop your love for God, or Kṛṣṇa, without being checked, without any cause, then you will feel fully satisfied. Otherwise not. It is for your interest. And... It is not for God's interest that He wants you. It is for your interest. If you do otherwise, you will never be happy. This is the only way. Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ... [Bg. 18.66]\nTherefore here it is stated, simply to become vegetarian is not the last word. There are many vegetarians. The monkey is vegetarian. [chuckles] He's naked and lives in a jungle. Just like there are so many so-called sages, that \"I live naked. I live in the jungle. I have given up the society.\" So monkey is doing that. Huh? [laughter] Naked, vegetarian, no home. But the rascal has got at least two dozen wives. That is monkey.\nSo it is called markaṭa-vairāgya. He has become a sannyāsī, vairāgī, and, but, so much thing, but privately he has got so many connections. Yes. That is called markaṭa-vairāgya, monkey's renunciation. Monkey has renounced, naked, but, hah, at heart there is sense gratification. So markaṭa-vairāgya is no good. So simply to become vegetarian is no good. You must develop love of Godhead. That is real thing.\nThank you.",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī? Can I make an announcement? Swāmījī has said there are fifty important pilgrimage cities in India, but as far as we're concerned here, it's whatever city His Divine Grace is residing in. So right now it's Boston. And he will stay here so long as it's the best place to spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo you have some taste for it. You can help us to keep Boston this city of pilgrimage. We need engagements for Swāmījī. The universities will be closing... Well, some of them are almost already closed. But if you have any access to a nice engagement, a church or a club where people attend, please approach us and help us to spread in this way.\nAlso we have a Love Feast here in the temple every Sunday at noon, and this is very sumptuous bhakti-yoga Love Feast, with Indian delicacies that you'll certainly enjoy. So approach this way. We'll take collections at this time also. You can help us very solidly by putting in all that you can.\nOur next kīrtana is scheduled for Wednesday–Monday, Wednesday and Friday—but it won't be, because it will be held at MIT instead, in the student mezzanine lounge in the third floor at eight.",
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"content": "\n It is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā who can [indistinct] commented [indistinct] Just like you are medical man. You are authorized by the state collage to practise. [indisinct] is that nice? Without going to special collage without any training. So who will accept? This is going on. One who is not authorized he is commenting on [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Swami, if this is senseless talk and it distubs the tranquility of the ashram then it shouldn't be, be stressed.",
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"content": "\n This prayer for Govinda is from Brahma-saṁhitā. It is very old literature, and nobody can say when it was spoken, but it is understood that these verses were written by Brahmā, and when Lord Caitanya was traveling in South India He picked up this book from a temple, hand-written, and He delivered to His devotees. So it is very authorized book. In this book the description of Kṛṣṇa is very vivid, vividly given. There His place, His activities, His form, everything is there nicely given.\nSo, this, this verse, it is..., it is not first verse. This is the 34th verse of the Fifth Chapter. Cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-lakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam [Bs. 5.29]. \n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\nThat, that place, cintāmaṇi ... Cintāmaṇi, a stone. In the transcendental world the..., as we have got experience here the houses are made of bricks, there the houses are made of cintāmaṇi stone. The cintāmaṇi stone is..., of course there is no exact translation, but it is understood it is something like touchstone. Touchstone means the stone which, if it touches a iron, it transforms into gold.\nSo, the abode of Kṛṣṇa is described that there are houses, cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu. Prakara means house. And cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa, and that the trees are desire trees. What is that desire tree? Just like here in..., in this material world, a tree is meant for delivering a particular fruit or flower, but desire tree means whatever you desire you get immediately delivered from the tree. That is called cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu, kalpa-vṛkṣa. Kalpa means whatever you like, whatever you will.\nCintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-lakṣāvṛteṣu. Such trees are not one. Just like here in your country, as soon as you go outside the city there are hundreds and thousands of trees, there is neither fruit nor flower, but they are meant for fuel or some other purposes, but there, there are many millions of trees which are all desire trees. Whatever you want, it is present there. The tree will supply immediately. Prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-lakṣāvṛteṣu.\nAnd surabhīr abhipālayantam. Kṛṣṇa is engaged in..., as a cowherds boy. He is herding cows. What sort of cows? Surabhiḥ. Surabhiḥ means that cow supplies you milk as much as you like, and as many times you can, you like, you can draw milk from that cow. Immense supply of milk, surabhīr abhipālayantam. Lakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānam, and the Lord is worshiped by many hundreds, thousands of goddess of fortune.\nThe gopīs, here you see the picture. That is a little sample only. But in the transcendental kingdom the Lord is always served with all great respect and obeisances and devotion, many thousands of goddess of fortune. That goddess of fortune means they are most beautiful, and everything is complete, that such a place and such abode and such activities are described about Kṛṣṇa.\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\nlakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.29]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\nAnd that Personality of Godhead, Govinda, Kṛṣṇa, is the original person. As in the Vedānta-sūtra it is said, \"Who is Brahman? What is Brahman? What is the Absolute Truth?\"\n[break]\nDevotees\n: [singing] ...tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\n So, the description is that Govinda is very fond of playing on flute, venum. Venum means flute. Veṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣaṁ. His eyes are just like lotus petals. Very beautiful eyes. Veṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣaṁ barhāvataṁsam. And He likes peacock feather, peacock feather on the head. So you will find Kṛṣṇa always with peacock feather. He wears a very valuable helmet, helmet on His head, but you will find one peacock feather.\nBarhāvataṁsam asitāmbuda-sundarāṅgam, and His complexion of the body is blackish, just like new clouds. He is not that complexion light; He is blackish, Kṛṣṇa, and..., but He is so beautiful, all-attractive. Here, of course, in this material world, blackish we do not like; we want fair complexion. But Kṛṣṇa, the original person, He is blackish, but not blackish like this.\nKandarpa-koti-kamaniya-visesa-sobham. His beauty is surpassing many millions of Cupids. You have heard the name of Cupid. He is a very enchanting person, loving person. But here it is descibed, kandarpa-koṭi-kamanīya-viśeṣa-śobhaṁ.\nIf you assemble millions of Cupids in one place, still it cannot be compared with the beauty of Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa is so beautiful. Kandarpa-koṭi-kamanīya-viśeṣa-śobhaṁ. Veṇuṁ kvaṇantam, always playing on flute. [singing]\nveṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣaṁ\nbarhāvataṁsam asitāmbuda-sundarāṅgam\nkandarpa-koṭi-kamanīya-viśeṣa-śobhaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.30]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is adept in playing on His flute, with blooming eyes like lotus petals with head decked with peacock's feather, with the figure of beauty tinged with the hue of blue clouds, and His unique loveliness charming millions of Cupids.]",
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"content": "\n Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\nDevotees\n: Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\n So just imagine the position of the Kṛṣṇa conscious person. Everyone is worshiping somebody. Somebody is worshiping his wife, somebody is worship..., worshiping his husband, somebody is worshiping the leader of the country, somebody is worshiping something, something, something.\nAnd if anyone has nothing, then somebody is worshiping a dog, a cat. But we are worshiping the original person, Kṛṣṇa. Just see our position. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi. We are not flattering ordinary things. We have captured the original. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi. And why not? He is so...\nDevotees\n: Jaya, haribol!\n He is so beautiful. [laughter] Kandarpa-koṭi-kamanīya-viśeṣa-śobhaṁ. And calling us, by playing on His flute, nice flute. When He was playing His flute, all the gopīs, they would give up all their family duties, everything, and go off to Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa. Their fathers, their brothers, their husbands, who will call them, \"Where you are going? It is dead of night!\" \"No, we are going to Kṛṣṇa.\"\nDevotees\n: [laughter] Jaya, haribol!\n So, Kṛṣṇa is so nice. Just to attract us, that you want love, here, at Vṛndāvana, He appears at Vṛndāvana, in Vṛndāvana, and shows His līlā, His activities, just to attract us. How lovable object! You are trying to find out something lovable. You are being frustrated. Here is something complete, if you love, you will become complete.\nAnd this Govinda can be achieved simply by love. You don't require any other qualification. He is so great, He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He is the proprietor of everything, but what does He want from you? In the Bhagavad-gītā He says, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati [Bg. 9.26].\n[If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.]\nWe can worship Kṛṣṇa with a little flower, with a little fruit, a little water, that's all. How universal it is! A little flower, a little fruit, a little water can be collected by any poor man. You don't require to earn many thousands of dollars to worship Kṛṣṇa. Why Kṛṣṇa will ask you, you contribute dollars or millions of rupees? No. He is full in Himself. He has got everything, complete.\nSo He is not beggar. But He is beggar. In what sense? He is begging your love. Therefore He says that patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati [Bg. 9.26].\n[If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.]\nHe is not beggar from you a little flower, a little fruit, but Kṛṣṇa said, \"If something should be given to Me... Please try to give Me something, because that is the token of love. You are taking so many things from Me. I am supplying you light, I am supplying air, I am supplying you water, I am supplying you life, food, everything. You cannot reciprocate something for Me? I am asking you simply a little water, little flower, a little leaf.\"\nSo what does He want? He wants yo me bhaktyā prayacchati. He wants simply bhakti, or love, pure love. Yo me bhaktyā prayacchati tad ahaṁ bhakty-upahṛtam aśnāmi prayatātmanaḥ [Bg. 9.26]. And because a devotee is lover of Kṛṣṇa, brings these things in love and devotion, therefore Kṛṣṇa says, aham aśnāmi: \"I get that and eat that.\"\nDevotees\n: Jaya, haribol!\n So Kṛṣṇa worship is not very costly affair. Simply you have to decide that \"I shall love only Kṛṣṇa.\" And if you love only Kṛṣṇa, then you will actually love everything. If you love... Because you are loving the root. Just like if you supply foodstuff to your stomach, then you supply foodstuff all the parts of your body. This is the method. The Bhāgavata describes this method.\nyathā taror mūla-niṣecanena\n}tṛpyanti tat-skandha-bhujopaśākhāḥ\nprāṇopahārāc ca yathendriyāṇāṁ\ntatha [iva] sarvārhaṇam acyutejyā\n[SB 4.31.14]\n[As pouring water on the root of a tree energizes the trunk, branches, twigs and everything else, and as supplying food to the stomach enlivens the senses and limbs of the body, simply worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead through devotional service automatically satisfies the demigods, who are parts of that Supreme Personality.]\nJust like, taror mūla-niṣecanena, if you supply water on the root of the tree, the water is immediately transferred to the branches, to the leaves, to the flowers, to the fruits—everywhere. Everyone knows it. It is scientific. But if you supply water to one leaf, or thousand leaves, it does not mean that other leaves are also getting the benefit.\nSo at the present moment, people are captivated for human welfare activities. Oh, what human welfare activities they will do? It is not in your power. You can do something, but very limited. There are living entities, they are not only human beings. There are 8,400,000's of living entities, and the human living entities, they are only minute portion. They are only 400,000's these, only. Other living entities, they are eight million.\nThat is not very difficult to understand. If you take a census of the living entities in the city of San Francisco, then the census of the human being residing in this city, they will be very, a small number in comparison to the birds, beasts, aquatics, ants and so many other living entities, so many other living entities. So suppose a portion of human living entity you serve, then what is the value of service? What is the value of that service?\nTherefore, the Bhāgavata says, just like watering the root of the tree you can serve all the leaves, flowers, branches and everything of the tree, just by supplying foodstuff to your stomach you can serve all the limbs of your body, similarly, simply by loving Kṛṣṇa you can learn how to love everyone. If you don't love Kṛṣṇa, and if you love the whole universe, it is still imperfect. Imperfect. And, because we are not loving Kṛṣṇa, therefore we are sectarian.\nJust like, take for example your country, or any country, it doesn't matter. I am giving example. I am not attacking anybody; I am giving example. You love your countrymen. That's very nice, but why don't you love the cows of your country? As it... It is also living entity. They are also born in this country. Have they not right to live?\nOh, you know in argument, in logic, you will accept, \"Yes.\" But because we do not love Kṛṣṇa, therefore there is partiality, that one section of the living entities should be loved, and the another section of the living entities should be sent to the slaughterhouse. Why this defect?\nThis defect is due to your lack of loving affairs with Kṛṣṇa. And as soon as you try to love Kṛṣṇa, then you will see, \"Oh, the cows are my brothers. Oh, the black people are my brothers, the white people are my brothers, the ants are my brothers, the dogs are my brothers, the trees are my brother, everyone my brother.\" That is universal brotherhood.\nIf you simply talk of universal brotherhood and you do not love Kṛṣṇa, hah, then it is useless. [laughter] It is useless. Therefore, actually it is happening. They are proclaiming peace and prosperity, and they are fighting in the United Nations. But where is the peace? Then where is the prosperity? Because lacking love of Kṛṣṇa.\nTherefore, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness is very urgent necessity for the human society. They should learn how to love Kṛṣṇa. Then everything will be adjusted, very easily. It is not utopian theory; it is practical. There are many instances, and those who are following, the students in, in our Society, ask them how they love others, how they love everyone, because they are..., they are trying to love Kṛṣṇa. So govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi. Therefore our process is, try to love the original person. And as soon as you become an expert lover...\nYou will find in..., in our Back to Godhead there is a picture that a hunter, after being initiated in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is loving even the ants. Those who have seen our Kṛṣṇa pictures. Have you got Back to Godhead here? You can show picture? The story is, the hunter, a hunter was killing in the forest many animals, because hunter's business is to kill. So... I am speaking very shortly.\nThe story and the picture you will find in Back to Godhead recently published. And Nārada, because he is Vaiṣṇava, he is lover of Kṛṣṇa, when he was passing on the path in the forest, he saw that many half-dead animals are in torture, flapping. So he was very kind. \"Oh, who has done this mischief, these poor animals?\" So he searched out the hunter, and he went there.\nThe hunter asked me, \"Oh, why you are disturbing my business?\" So Nārada said, \"My dear hunter, I have come to beg something from you.\" So hunter thought that \"This mendicant is a beggar, so he might have come to me to beg some skins, or deerskin or tiger skin.\"\nSo he said, \"All right, please, let me do my business. I shall give you skins, whatever you like.\" Nārada said, \"No, no. I don't want anything from you. I have come to request you something.\" \"What is that?\" \"How, if you are killing animals, why don't you kill them all at once? Why you are killing them half, and giving them so much torture?\" \"Oh,\" he said that \"I have been educated in that way. I have been trained in that way killing of animals by my father. I take pleasure in it.\"\nSo Nārada said, \"So my request to you is that if you want to kill animals, please kill them immediately. Don't kill half. This is very great sinful.\"\nThen he inquired, \"What is the sin?\" He said that \"You are killing so many animals, so you are accumulating sins.\" Then he explained everything, so he became little softened, and he inquired that \"How to get out of these sinful activities?\" That Nārada said that \"If you follow my instruction, then you can get free from these sinful activities.\" \"Now, what I will have to do?\"\nHe said that \"First of all break your bow, then I shall tell you.\" \"Oh, if I break my bow, then my business instrument is gone.\" \"No, don't be afraid.\" \"Then how shall I eat?\" \"Oh, I shall send you food.\" So then he agreed: \"If you solve my food problem, then I will follow you.\" So Nārada said, \"Yes, I shall send you all kinds of food. You give up this business and come with me.\"\nSo the hunter and his wife went with Nārada, and Nārada fixed them a place on the bank of the Ganges at Prayāga, and he said that \"You sit down here and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. I shall send you all food that you require.\" \"All right, sir. Don't forget [laughter], because I have given up my business.\" [laughter]\nSo next day it was advertised in the village that the hunter has become a Vaiṣṇava, a bare-headed boy [laughter], Vaiṣṇava. [laughter] So in the..., in India it is the system that if anyone goes to a temple or to a saintly person, the ladies especially, and they take some grains in hand, at least one palmful, and contributes. So, ten, twenty, fifty people are coming, and it becomes sufficient for the temple-keepers.\nThat is the system in India still. Still there are many hundreds and thousands of temples in India, and India is advertised as poverty-stricken, but all these temples are being maintain..., maintained by the people from the morsel of their food, still. They contribute. If a sannyāsī goes to the house of a householder, he will never be refused. At least he should be given a little rice, little flour. That is the system.\nSo, so many people are coming to see them, how they have become Vaiṣṇava, saintly person, and contributing, somebody flour, somebody ḍāl, somebody rice, somebody fruit. \"Oh,\" they thought. \"Oh, why Nārada is sending so much? We are only two persons, husband and wife, and he is sending more than twenty person foodstuffs daily.\" So he was convinced that \"If I chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, I will not starve. Nārada will send everything. That's all.\" So gradually by chanting they became very highly advanced spiritually.\nSo one day Nārada said to his friend Parvata, \"My dear Parvata, I have got a disciple in Prayāga. He was hunter, and I have initiated him to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Let us go and see how he is doing.\" So, two friends are coming there, and it is the system that the disciple, by seeing the spiritual master, should immediately offer obeisances and receive him very nicely.\nSo when he was going to receive from distant place Nārada, he saw some ants were on the feet, and he was trying to remove them so that they may not die,\n[break] pressure of his foot... [break]\n Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\nDevotees\n: Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\n Thank you.\nDevotees\n: Jaya. [end]",
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"content": "\n \"In the Bhagavad-gītā the Lord directly states that He accepts the vegetable foodstuffs from the hands of a pure devotee. Therefore, a human being should not only become a strict vegetarian, but he should also become a devotee of the Lord and offer to the Lord all his food, and only then partake of the prasādam, or mercy of God. Such a devotee can properly discharge the duty of human life. Those who do not do so are eating only sins and thus will be subjected to the different types of distress which are the result of the various sins.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. This is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, Fourth Chapter: yajña-śiṣṭāśinaḥ santo mucyante sarva-kilbiṣaiḥ [Bg. 3.13]. Our this conditioned life is so situated that in every step we are committing some sins. In every step, without knowing, ignorance, because we, we are born ignorant. Therefore Bhāgavata says, parābhavas tāvad abhodha-jātaḥ [SB 5.5.5]. Abodha-jātaḥ. Abodha-jāta means every living entity is born fools. Therefore there are so many educational institution. If the man born... May be in very high family or in high nation, but he is a fool. Otherwise, what is the necessity of so many educational institution? It is a fact.\nSo that foolishness, when it is come to light... That is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam: parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam [SB 5.5.5]. This foolishness will continue so long as he does not come to the platform of understanding self-realization. Otherwise, all these universities and institution for imparting knowledge, they are continuation of that same ignorance and foolishness. Unless one comes to the point of understanding, \"What I am? What is God? What is this world? What is my relationship...?\" Unless these questions come into one's heart, and there is no proper answer, he continues to be foolish like animal, and he is subjected to different species of life, transmigration from one body to another. This is ignorance.\nSo this is a very risky civilization. I may feel very comfortable, that \"I am a spiritual master,\" or you may think very comfortable, \"I am born of a very rich nation, America,\" but this status of my life is temporary. I will have to change. I'll have to change. So if I do not change for the better, then my life is very risky. Suppose a healthy man, if he is in the society of contamination, is it not his life is very risky? He may be contaminated and infected by disease any moment.\nSo this ignorance should be dissipated. Here it is said that such a devotee can properly discharge his duty of human life. Those who do not do so are eating only sins. Bhuñjate te tv aghaṁ pāpaṁ ye pacanty ātma-kāraṇāt [Bg. 3.13]. Anyone who is cooking for himself... The difference between..., of cooking here in this temple and in ordinary house is that in ordinary house they're cooking sins. The cooking, it appears that the same, \"These people are also cooking,\" but this cooking and that cooking is different. Here there is no sin, because it is being cooked for Kṛṣṇa. Yajñārthe. Yajñārthe karmaṇo 'nyatra [Bg. 3.9].\nBeyond this field of activities, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, everything you are doing, pious or impious, you are become implicated with the laws of nature. Generally, you are being implicated in sinful activities. Generally. And those who are little more cautious, they avoid sinful activities; they act pious activities. But even there is pious activities, he is implicated.\nThis I have explained several times, that if a man is pious, he has to take his birth in rich family, janmaiśvarya-śruta [SB 1.8.26], in a very aristocratic family, rich family. He may become next life very learned scholar, very beautiful. These are the results of pious activities. But pious or impious, you have to enter into the womb of some mother. That tribulation is very severe. That we have forgotten. That we have forgotten. Either you take birth in a very rich family, aristocratic family, or you take birth in the animal womb, so the pangs of birth, death, disease and old age will continue.\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means to make a solution of these four things: birth, death, old age and disease. So if we act sinfully and if we eat sinfully, then this life of birth, death, old age will continue. Otherwise, you can make a solution, and as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya [Bg. 4.9]: \"After leaving this body,\" tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti, \"he does not take birth again in this material world.\" Then where does he go? He's finished? Just like voidist? No. Mām eti: \"He comes to Me.\" Mām eti. \"He comes to Me.\" \"And what is the benefit of going there, to You?\"\nmām upetya kaunteya\nduḥkhālayam aśāśvatam\nnāpnuvanti mahātmānaḥ\nsaṁsiddhiṁ paramāṁ gatāḥ\n[Bg. 8.15]\n\"To come back to Me, that is the highest perfection of life. He does not come to this miserable world.\"\nSo we should be careful not to eat anything which is not offered to Kṛṣṇa, prasādam. That should be determination. We cannot purchase things from the market and eat. No. That is not possible. We cannot eat. We can simply eat such things which are offered to the Deity, Kṛṣṇa. That is yajña-śiṣṭāśinaḥ [Bg. 3.13]. Even if we have committed some sin, by eating this prasādam we counteract it. Mucyante sarva-kilbiṣaiḥ. Yajña-śiṣṭa... Aśiṣṭa means the remnants of foodstuff after offering yajña. If one eats, then mucyante sarva-kilbiṣaiḥ. Because our life is sinful, so we become, I mean to say, freed from the sinful activities. How it is? That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, that ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi [Bg. 18.66]: \"If you surrender unto Me, then I'll give you protection from all sinful reaction.\"\nSo if you make it a vow that \"I shall not eat anything which is not offered to Kṛṣṇa,\" that means it is a surrender. You surrender to Kṛṣṇa, that \"My dear Lord, I shall not eat anything which is not offered to You.\" That's vow. That vow is surrender. And because there is surrender, you are protected from the sinful reaction.\nAll right. All right. Now you can... Hare Kṛṣṇa. [end]",
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"content": "\n[\nprema-dhvani prayers led by devotee] [break]\n[01:43]\nPage? Go on.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n [reading] Chapter Four, \"Transcendental Knowledge.\" Verse twenty-six. \"Some of them sacrifice the hearing process and the senses in the fire of the controlled mind, and others sacrifice the objects of the senses, such as sound, in the fire of sacrifice.\"\nPurport: \"The four division of human life, namely the brahmacārī, the gṛhastha, the vānaprastha and the sannyāsī, are all meant to help men to become perfect yogīs, or transcendentalists. Since human life is not meant for our enjoying sense gratification like the animals, the four orders of human life are fixed so that one may become perfect in spiritual life.\nThe brahmacārīs, or students under the care of a bona fide spiritual master, control the mind by abstaining from sense gratification. Furthermore, a brahmacārī hears only words concerning Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Hearing is the basic principle for understanding, and therefore the pure brahmacārī engages fully in chanting and hearing the glories of the Lord…\"\nBrahmacārī..., brahmacārī means brahmacārati iti brahmacārī. Brahma means the Supreme Absolute Personality of Godhead, and cārati, \"executes.\" Cārati, brahmacārati, brahmacārī. In Sanskrit, every word has got root meaning. Brahma means the Supreme Absolute Truth, and cāra means one who executes, cārati. So one who's life is completely devoted simply to execute the function of the Supreme Absolute Truth, he is called brahmacārī.\nGṛhastha, gṛhastha means… Gṛha means home; home means wife. Na gṛhaṁ gṛham ity ucate [Cc. Ādi 15.27].\n[“Merely a house is not a home, for it is a wife who gives a home its meaning. If one lives at home with his wife, together they can fulfill all the interests of human life.”]\nWhat is the difference between sannyāsī—we are sannyāsī—and gṛhastha? Gṛha means home. Home means wife. One who lives with his wife to execute Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is called gṛhastha. Āśrama, they are called āśrama: brahmacārī-āśrama, gṛhastha-āśrama, vānaprastha-āśrama, sannyāsa-āśrama. Āśrama means… This \"āśrama\" word is now very popular in your country also. Āśrama means where there is some spiritual connection. That is āśrama. So all these four divisions are called āśrama, different āśrama. Either you remain as brahmacārī or gṛhastha or vānaprastha or sannyāsa, your main business is to cultivate Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is called āśrama.\nAnd gṛha… Caitanya Mahāprabhu, when He was about seventeen years old, He was married, and when He was twenty years old His first wife died. Then He married for the second time, and in twenty-fourth year He took sannyāsa. So after the death, or disappearance, of His first wife… He was not at home at that time—He was out of His country, because a brāhmaṇa's business is to preach. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu was born in a very respectable family, a brāhmin, so when He came back home He saw His wife is no more. So mother requested, \"My dear boy, please accept another wife.\" Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, \"Yes. I’ll accept, because home… I have come home. Home means wife.\"\nActually gṛhiṇī, gṛhiṇī, \"the mistress of the home.\" Without wife there is no meaning of home, according to Vedic culture. Home means wife, gṛhiṇī gṛham ucyate. Na gṛhaṁ gṛham ity ucate [Cc. Ādi 15.27]. Home… If we mean home means an apartment—so we are also living in an apartment: four walls, one ceiling, one floor. But why you are called gṛhastha? The only difference is that gṛhastha is with wife and sannyāsī is without wife. Without wife means voluntarily giving up the connection with wife.\nSo these four divisions are very scientific. Another four divisions—brahmacārī, gṛhastha—four divisions of the order of working: brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra. This combined eight system in the human society is called perfect human society. Where these four…, eight divisions of spiritual and material advancement of life is not there existing, that means that is not human society. They are required.\nSo here it is explained that either you be brahmacārī or gṛhastha or vānaprastha or sannyāsa, everyone's business is Kṛṣṇa, cultivate Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Or either you become a brāhmaṇa or a kṣatriya or a vaiśya or the… Brāhmaṇa means intelligent class of men; kṣatriya means politicians, administrative class of men; vaiśya means mercantile class of men; and śūdra means general worker. So either you are brāhmaṇa or a kṣatriya—whatever you may be—it doesn't matter.\nJust like my different parts, limbs, of the body are situated in different parts to function differently. Hand's function is different from the leg's function. The mouth's function is different from the genitals' function. Although they are situated for executing different function, the whole aim is targeted to maintenance of this body. Similarly, whatever you may be, you do not require to change your position. You remain a brahmacārī, gṛhastha, worker, laborer, brāhmaṇa—whatever you may be, that doesn't matter—you just engage yourself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is your duty.\nThe hand's function is different from the leg's function, but both the hands and the legs are engaged for serving the whole body. Similarly, you may become an engineer or a medical practitioner, a businessman or worker, this or that—that doesn't matter. Please engage yourself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and your life will be success. This is the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. It doesn't matter; it is not required that you have to become from engineer to a brāhmaṇa. No. You remain an engineer, you remain anything, but take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nHmm. Go on.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n \"He restricts himself from the vibrations of material sounds, and his hearing is engaged in the transcendental sound vibration Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa. Similarly, the householders, who have some license for sense gratification, perform such acts with great restraint. Sex life, intoxication and meat-eating are general tendencies of human society, but a regulated householder does not indulge in unrestricted sex life and other sense gratification. Marriage on principles of religious life is therefore current in all civilized human society because that is the way for restricted sex life.\"\nYes. The animal… In the animal society there is no marriage. In any country, either in your country or in Arabian country or India, if they are human being there is some system of marriage. But in the cats' and dogs' society, they are also mating, but there is no marriage. So people can say so that marriage is legalized prostitution. But actually it is not that. Marriage means restricted: restriction.\nJust like you have got your wife, so if you have your sex life with any other women or man, that is adulteration. You can say, \"Why? The same thing is there. Why it is adulteration?\" No. The law says. That means restriction. Restriction is human life, and no restriction means animal life. All the laws are meant for the human being. \"Keep to the right,\" it is not meant for the dog. If the dog goes to the left, there is no law for it, because it is dog. But if you do, you'll be liable to punishment.\nSo all books of knowledge, literature, art, religion, philosophy, science, they are meant for human beings; they are not meant for the animals. Therefore the aim of human life is to elevate himself by knowledge. That is human life. Not to keep him in darkness—that is not human life. Human life, we have got the opportunity to rise up to the highest platform of knowledge. And what is that highest platform of knowledge? That highest platform of knowledge is to go back to home, back to Godhead, go back to Kṛṣṇa. That is perfection.\nBahūnāṁ janmanām ante. This knowledge is acquired after many, many births. It is not ordinary thing, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Ei rupe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān jīva [Cc. Madhya 19.151].\n[“According to their karma, all living entities are wandering throughout the entire universe. Some of them are being elevated to the upper planetary systems, and some are going down into the lower planetary systems. Out of many millions of wandering living entities, one who is very fortunate gets an opportunity to associate with a bona fide spiritual master by the grace of Kṛṣṇa. By the mercy of both Kṛṣṇa and the spiritual master, such a person receives the seed of the creeper of devotional service.]\nIt is meant for the fortunate man, what to speak of the animals; they cannot understand. But only the fortunate man, they are able to understand what is the purpose of this Bhagavad-gītā, and if fortunately he can understand, his life becomes successful.\nBut it is open to all; there is no restriction. Simply you have to understand it and make practical application in your life, then your life is successful. It is not difficult. But the thing is that we want to remain in animal life. That is our disease. We like animalistic life. \"Man is rational animal.\" So we want to sacrifice our rationality and remain in animalism. That is our disease. We prefer to remain in animalistic life, because there is immediate sense gratification, immediate some so-called pleasure.\nŚreya, preya. Just like a child playing all day. Father says, \"My dear child, you read.\" He says, \"Oh, I don't like to read.\" That is called preya. It is very dear to play, but to take to education is not so liking to the children, because he is foolish; he does not know that without education his future life will be in the darkness. Similarly, any person who is simply indulging in animalistic way of life without acquiring knowledge for highest perfection, he is simply making suicide, he is killing himself, sa ātmahā the śāstra says.\nHe is killing, just like you can take one razor and you cut your throat. That is..., you are at liberty to do that, but that is not a very good business, you see. [chuckles] Similarly, though so many books of knowledge are there if you don't take to this knowledge and simply indulge in our sense gratification, that means we are making the same thing, cutting our own throat.\nYes, go on.\nMadhudviṣa\n: \n\"This restricted unattached sex life is also a kind of yajña, because the restricted householder sacrifices his general tendency…\"\nThis is also yajña, sacrifice. I want unrestricted sex life, but I obey the order of the śāstras, or the law, that \"No, I shall not have sex life with anyone else without my married wife or husband.\" That is sacrifice. You sacrifice your propensity, unrestricted propensity. This is required. A brahmacārī, a brahmacārī is supposed to have no connection with women; a vānaprastha is supposed to have no connection with women, even his wife is present; and what to speak of sannyāsi. He has no connection with any women, even with his own wife.\nSo the restriction of sex life is from the beginning. Brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. Only gṛhastha, the householders, are allowed restricted sex life. The whole idea is that this material existence is due to sex life. That's all. If you increase your sex life, then increase your duration of material existence. If you decrease your sex life, then you advance towards the path of absolute realization, yad icchanto brahmacaryaṁ caranti [Bg. 8.11]. \n[Persons learned in the Vedas, who utter omkāra and who are great sages in the renounced order, enter into Brahman. Desiring such perfection, one practices celibacy. I shall now explain to you this process by which one may attain salvation.]\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā you will find that one who is desiring to go back to Godhead, back to home, then he should practice life of celibacy. That is very important thing.\nYes.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n \"The restricted householder sacrifices his general tendency toward sense gratification for higher, transcendental life.\" Twenty-seven.\nHmm. Go on.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n \"And some offered the work of the senses and the work of the life-force, controlling them in yoga to obtain knowledge of the self.\" Twenty-eight.\nThis is yoga practice. What is the yoga practice? Yoga practice, whole yoga practice is meant for controlling senses. It is not that you simply make a show of meditating fifteen minutes and do all nonsense twenty-four hours. That is not yoga practice. Yoga, whole practice, the yoga practice is yoga indriya-saṁyamaḥ. Yoga means to control the senses. That is the real meaning of yoga. Not that you attend yoga class and immediately...\nImmediately… While practicing yoga I see so many persons, they are smoking and doing all sorts of things. You see? This is simply bogus. Yoga means to control senses, practice controlled senses. It is not meant for keeping your health good so that you can enjoy senses more, I mean to say, strengthfully. No. Yoga practice means controlling the senses.\nGo on.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n \"There are others who, enlightened by sacrificing their material possessions in severe austerities, take strict vows and practice the yoga of eightfold mysticism, and others study the Vedas for advancement of transcendental knowledge.\"\nTwenty-nine. \"And there are even others, who are inclined to the process of breath restraint to remain in trance, and they practice stopping the movement of the outgoing breath into the incoming.\"\nThe breathing exercise, yoga practice, means increasing the duration of your life, if anyone can practice this breathing exercise actually. We have got limited number of breathing. The heart is palpilating [sic] like this. So it has got limited number of palpilation. Just like if you have got a bank balance, so if you go on drawing it daily, so very quickly it is finished. But if you don't draw it, keep it, balance, then you can continue for several years, several months, as you like.\nSimilarly yoga practice, perfection of yoga practice, means increasing the duration of your life. If we eat more, if we have sense enjoyment more, if you labor more, then our duration of life decreases. But if you can restrain yourself, if you can sit down in one place without eating more, without any work, then you can increase your duration of life.\nSo yoga practice means the yogīs, those who are perfect yogī, they practice in such a way that unless they are prepared fully to transfer himself, oneself, to any planet he likes, he continues to practice yoga. There are many yogīs still in India, they are seven hundred years old, three hundred years old; still they look like young boy. That is yoga practice.\nThe bogus yoga practice going on in your country is simply cheating people. Yoga practice is different. That is very difficult, and not possible in this age. Nobody can follow all the rules and regulation of yoga. That we will find in this Bhagavad-gītā in the Sixth Chapter, we'll come.\nSo yoga practice means that is another kind of sacrifice. Sacrifice means to stop your unrestricted..., or why, restricted even, sense gratification. That is yoga practice.\nGo on.\nMadhudviṣa\n: \n\"Some of them, curtailing the eating process, offer the outgoing breath into itself, as a sacrifice.\"\nThirty. \"All these performers who know the meaning of sacrifice become cleansed of sinful reaction and, having tasted the nectar of the remnants of such sacrifice, they go to the supreme eternal atmosphere.\"\nYes. The whole aim is to purify yourself and go back to Godhead, back to home. That is the whole aim, either you practice this yoga or that yoga. There are jñāna-yoga... The Bhagavad-gītā deals in three types of yoga, means karma-yoga, jñāna-yoga, dhyāna-yoga and ultimately bhakti-yoga.\nSo any transcendental practice is called yoga. So either you do it as karma-yoga... Yoga means linking yourself with the Supreme by your work, linking yourself by cultivation of knowledge, linking yourself by meditation or linking yourself by engaging yourself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo any yoga system you take, that will give you perfection. But the thing is, in this age no other yoga practice is possible except this practice, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or bhakti-yoga practice. Simply you have to chant, and you get all the good results. That is very easy. It can be practiced by anyone. It doesn't require any preliminary qualifications. Kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā [Cc. Ādi 17.21].\n“’In this Age of Kali there is no other means, no other means, no other means for self-realization than chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name of Lord Hari.’\nThere is no… [break]\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n [reading end of 4.30 purport] \"…but also at the end, he enters into the eternal kingdom of God, either merging into the impersonal Brahman or associating with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa.\"\nThat's all. [devotees offer obeisances]\nHare Kṛṣṇa. Any question?",
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"content": "\n You said that yoga, by yoga you can go to any planet. Does that mean you can go to Kṛṣṇaloka?",
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"content": "\nYes. If you practice Kṛṣṇa consciousness and at the time of death if you remain in full consciousness of Kṛṣṇa, you immediately go. That's all. This is the practice. Ante nārāyaṇa-smṛti [SB 2.1.6].\n[The highest perfection of human life, achieved either by complete knowledge of matter and spirit, by practice of mystic powers, or by perfect discharge of occupational duty, is to remember the Personality of Godhead at the end of life.]\n. \nAt the end if we can remember Kṛṣṇa, that is perfection of life. That's all. Ante means at the end of life.\nSo that is the test, examination, what happens at the end. So if you practice sadā tad-bhāva-bhāvitaḥ [Bg. 8.6]. \n[Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that state he will attain without fail.]\nIf you twenty-four hours practice how to think of Kṛṣṇa, naturally Kṛṣṇa will give you chance to think of Kṛṣṇa at that time, last moment. Yes.\nTherefore there is one verse by Kulaśekhara, he says:\nkṛṣṇa tvadīya-padapaṅkaja-pañjarāntam\nadyaiva me viśatu mānasa-rāja-haṁsaḥ\n[MM 33]\n[O Lord Kṛṣṇa, at this moment let the royal swan of my mind enter the tangled stems of the lotus of Your feet. How will it be possible for me to remember You at the time of death, when my throat will be choked up with mucus, bile, and air?]\n\"My dear Kṛṣṇa, Your lotus feet is lotus flower, and there is stem, and my mind is just like swan. So let me [be] entrapped by the stem immediately.\" You have seen in the lakes the swans take pleasure in being entrapped with the stems of lotus flowers or lily flowers. That is their sporting. Perhaps you have marked? You marked in that lake in Seattle? Yes. He was..., the swan was pushing its head to the stem. That is their pleasure.\nSo the King Kulaśekhara, he is praying that \"My dear Kṛṣṇa, Your feet is lotus flower, so there is stem, so let me push my head immediately and [be] entrapped by the stem.\" Why immediately? He says, prāṇa-prayāṇa-samaye, at the time of death, kapha-vāta-pittaiḥ kaṇṭhāvarodhana-vidhau smaraṇaṁ kutas te: \"At the time of death this mucus and bile and air, they will be congested, and my voice will be choked up. Where is the opportunity of chanting Your name at that time? Therefore I am now in good health and good consciousness, let me die immediately thinking of Your lotus feet.\" These are the prayers, you see.\nSo this is Kṛṣṇa consciousness practice, that you practice. Anything you practice... Just like you practice something, and in the examination hall you write very nicely immediately. But if you have no practice, then how you can write? Similarly, if you practice chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, then even in sleeping also you will chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. There are three stages: awakening state; sleeping state, dreaming state; and unconscious state. Unconsciousness. The consciousness..., we are just pushing Kṛṣṇa in the consciousness. So even in unconsciousness stage also you will have Kṛṣṇa.\nSo if you are fortunately able to come to that perfectional state, then this life is the end of your material existence. You enter into the spiritual world and have your eternal life, blissful life, and dance with Kṛṣṇa. That's all.",
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"content": "\nŚrīla Prabhupāda, what is the yoga of eightfold mysticism?",
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"content": "\nŚrīla Prabhupāda, what is the yoga of eightfold mysticism?",
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"content": "\nAh. Eightfold mysticism means this yoga practice, aṣṭāṅga-yoga. Aṣṭāṅga-yoga beginning is eightfold. Aṣṭā means eight. What is that? Yaṁ niyaṁ… Yaṁ means controlling; niyaṁ means following the rules and regulation; āsana—sitting posture, practicing the sitting posture. That will help you. Yaṁ niyaṁ asana prāṇāyāma—breathing exercise.\nYaṁ niyaṁ asana prāṇāyāma dhyāna—meditation; dhāraṇā—concentration; then samādhi—absorption. These are eight different practices of yoga. But who is going to do that? They simply practice a little more sitting posture and they think they are perfecting yoga, that's all. It is not possible to perform all the processes of yoga. Nobody can. You see? Kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇu.\nSo don't be mislead. Take the instruction:\nkṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇuṁ\ntretāyāṁ yajato makhaiḥ\ndvāpare paricaryāyāṁ\nkalau tad dhari-kīrtanāt\n[SB 12.3.52]\n[Whatever result was obtained in Satya-yuga by meditating on Viṣṇu, in Tretā-yuga by performing sacrifices, and in Dvāpara-yuga by serving the Lord's lotus feet can be obtained in Kali-yuga simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra.]\nThere are divisions of four ages. In the kṛte, in the satya-yuga, the good age or golden age, when people used to live for one hundred thousands of years, at that time this dhyāna meditation was possible. Kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇuṁ tretāyāṁ yajato makhaiḥ. \nNext age by performances of sacrifices; next age by temple worship; and this age, kalau—this age is called Kali, the age of quarrel and dissention—in this age, all these practices will not be possible to follow, only hari-kīrtanāt, chanting the name of Hari. That's all. These are the direction of the śāstra.\nSo if you want to be really happy, you have to take direction of the authority and follow it. So this is the… And actually we are experiencing, our students who have taken to this chanting process of yoga—oh, bring any other yogīs and just compare with them. You see?\nNo. They can not be compared. They are far advanced. Yes. But the simple process: chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. That's all. This is the process recommended in this age.\nYes?",
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"content": "\nPrabhupāda, when we first got to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, a way to concentrate is to just concentrate on the vibration. Should we try to strive for…",
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"content": "\nNo concentrate on the vibration. Simply hear. It is very easy. If I say \"Hare,\" you can hear, even without concentration. It is so easy.",
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"content": "\n But if you hear attentively, that is required.",
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"content": "\nShould we try to progress from that stage, or should we just…",
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"content": "\nThe progress is that you have to avoid the ten kinds of offenses. That is progress. And that ten kinds of offenses can be avoided if you chant and hear also at the same time. That is yoga. That means your mind and your all senses are concentrated, and that is samādhi. \nYou chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and hear also Hare Kṛṣṇa. This is the process. Not that you are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mechanically but you are hearing something else. That is inattention, That is offense. It will take some time. If you chant offensively, then it will take some time.\nThat means by chanting, chanting, you will come to the stage of offensless platform. But why don't you try from the very beginning? Because we want quickly to be perfect. So these are the processes. Simply chant and hear, that's all, and every perfection will come gradually, without any doubt.\nSo any other question?\n[pause] All right, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances]\n[38:46]\n[kīrtana] [prema-dhvani prayers by Prabhupāda] All glories to the assembled devotees. All glories to the assembled devotees. Thank you very much. [end]",
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"content": "\n[Recorded interview playing; Prabhupāda and devotees are listening]\n ...Personality of Godhead, who stops our struggle for existence and raises to the platform of eternal life, bliss and knowledge. To be more clear, everyone is trying to get eternal life. The whole human society is trying to get the highest perfection of knowledge, and they are trying also, by so many methods, to become happy, blissful. But they are being confused and baffled. Therefore if we take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, these things will be easily achieved.",
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"content": "\n Would you give me a background, the history and origin of Kṛṣṇa consciousness?",
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"content": "\n No history can trace out the origin of Kṛṣṇa consciousness because the living entities, they are eternal. The bodily concept of life is not correct. Nobody dies, nobody takes birth. Everyone is eternal. This change of body is considered a change of dress. Therefore nobody can say that \"This is the beginning of life.\"\nSo whenever there is life, there is consciousness also, and originally the consciousness is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But due to our long material association that consciousness is covered. Therefore we are out of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This movement is to revive that Kṛṣṇa consciousness again, so that he can be raised to his original position.",
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"content": "\n Would you describe where Kṛṣṇa consciousness started and why you have come to the Western world?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa consciousness is there in the Bhagavad-gītā. It is a very popular and old literature, Vedic literature, known all over the world. But so far the history of this Bhagavad-gītā is concerned, there are difference of opinions, but factually, even if we take it as it is, it is at least five thousand years old.\nAnd in the Bhagavad-gītā we learn that five thousand years ago it was spoken on the battlefield of Kurukṣetra. But before that, some millions of years ago, the same Bhagavad-gītā was spoken long, long ago. So actually the human effort cannot trace out the history of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, but taking consideration of the present history, it is at least as old as five thousand years.",
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"content": "\n Govinda told me that it started five hundred years ago in Western Bengal. Could you elucidate on this, please?",
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"content": "\n This Bhagavad-gītā is read by the human society not only in India, but outside India, since a very long, long time. But unfortunately, as everything is deteriorated by the contact of material contamination, so people began to interpret Bhagavad-gītā in different ways. Therefore about five hundred years ago, Lord Caitanya appeared, and he started the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement under His personal guidance in Bengal. His birthplace is known as Navadvīpa.\nNow, He ordered every Indian to spread this message of Kṛṣṇa consciousness all over the world, in every village, every town. That was His order. But unfortunately, since India was under foreign subjugation, they could not spread, or they lost their own independence of culture. But everyone expected after declaration of independence by India, such things should come to the outside world. But the government did not take much care of it.\nSo far I am concerned, I belong to Lord Caitanya's disciplic succession, and my spiritual master, who was just ninth generation from Lord Caitanya, he ordered me that \"You try to spread this Kṛṣṇa consciousness in the Western world.\" Therefore in pursuance of his order, I have come here.",
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"content": "\n Where is Kṛṣṇa consciousness most common in the world, and how widespread is it in India?",
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"content": "\n In India Kṛṣṇa consciousness is cent per cent spread. Every Indian, even if he is not Hindu, he is Kṛṣṇa conscious. There is one professor in Allahabad University, he is Muhammadan by religion, but he is a great devotee of Kṛṣṇa. On the birthday of Kṛṣṇa he would fast the whole day, and he would write one article to some paper.\nSo similarly, Kṛṣṇa consciousness is heart and soul of every Indian. One may differ, one may not agree, or there are so many different classes of men, but Kṛṣṇa is known cent per cent in India.",
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"content": "\n Is Kṛṣṇa consciousness more easily accepted among Indians and among Far Eastern peoples than among the Western peoples?",
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"content": "\n It is the easiest method conceivable, because the method is so easy that we simply ask people to come and chant the name of Kṛṣṇa. And it is actually experienced that in this country, all my disciples, they are neither Indian nor Hindu, nor they know the Sanskrit word—everything is unknown to them—but still, they are taking so seriously. That is the proof how it is easiest, that it can be spread all over the world.",
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"content": "\n I mean, just is Kṛṣṇa consciousness more readily accepted by the Far Eastern peoples? That is, is their way of life..., does their way of life make the acceptance of Kṛṣṇa consciousness any more easy than here in America? For instance, Americans are constantly rushing around, and Europeans somewhat less. But they find it more difficult to be tranquil and peaceful than the Eastern peoples. For this reason, might it not be harder for Western peoples to accept Kṛṣṇa consciousness and...",
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"content": "\n In India, due to her long subjugation by the foreigners, practically the so-called educated persons, they have lost their original culture. Rather, those who are not so-called educated, following the traditional rules and regulation, they are more Kṛṣṇa conscious. And the educated circle, they are thinking that this religious temperament is the cause of India's economic fall-down. But actually, that is not the fact.\nSo not only India, in other countries also they are trying to imitate the economic situation or economic development of other countries, specially of America, but they do not find that in America, although the boys and girls, the younger generation, they are born of rich family, rich nation, they are still confused, and they are also hankering after something better. So the policy followed by India now—that is, to imitate the Western way of life—is not very happy mood. This means they have lost their original culture.\nAnd so far Western countries are concerned, I think they have sufficient arrangement for material comforts. Now they can very easily take up this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, because they have no disturbance for material hankering. And I think it is the time for them to accept this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement to make them perfectly well.",
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"content": "\n Is there conflict with other Eastern religions, and if so, how far is this spread?",
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"content": "\n There is no conflict at all. The conflict is between persons who are godless, who does not believe in God. Conflict is there. The conflict is not between East and West; the conflict is between the atheist and the theist. We are preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness, not that we are trying to replace something by Indian method to Christian method or Jewish method. That is not our policy. This is... In one sense, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the postgraduate study of all religions.\nWhat is the method of religion? To accept the authority of God. That is the primary principle of every religion, may be Christian religion or Hindu religion or Muhammadan religion. It doesn't matter. But people are becoming godless. That is the problem. They are thinking that \"There is no God. Nature is everything.\" That is their foolishness. They are unhappy for this godlessness. And as a result of this godlessness, the Communist party have sprang up, the hippies have sprang up, and so many other things will gradually sprang up. So there is no check. It is... The only check is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, if people are taught that he can be happy only by reestablishing his eternal relationship with God.\nSo our test of religion is how one has developed his God consciousness, or love of God. We do not accept any principle of religion as genuine if we see that the followers have no love of God but they have got love of matter. We testify the, I mean to say, bona fides of a religious principle... Of course, in religious principle there is the teaching to become God conscious, to accept the authority of God, but because they are not properly taught, the followers are becoming godless, not only here, in India also. That is the position everywhere.\nSo our proposition is to make people God conscious. It doesn't matter what he is. Either he is Hindu or Christian or Muhammadan, it doesn't matter. And this Kṛṣṇa consciousness procedure is to raise or to develop love of Godhead. And as soon as he develops love of Godhead, then he becomes happy individually or collectively, because there is love. He wants to love somebody else, but he is placing his love wrongly. He is placing his love... Even one has nobody to love, he is loving cats and dogs. So love is there, but he does not know where to place his love and be happy. This is the information: Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Then love is the most important element of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. How do you feel about Christians, Buddhists, Moslems, Hindus, then? Are their other beliefs of real..., of no importance to you, just so long as they believe in one God and in love?",
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"content": "\n So far Hindu religion is concerned, it is a very broad thinking. The Hindu religion, Vedic religion, is divided into two kinds of philosophers. One kinds of philosopher is the impersonalist. They take the Absolute Truth as impersonal, all-pervading impersonal. And the another philosopher, they take that the Supreme Absolute Truth is person. The impersonal feature is one of the features of that person, but ultimately He is person.\nSo without person there cannot be any question of love. Therefore the section who believes in person... Not believing; they know actually what He is, and there is method how to love that person. The example is given: just like the sun and the sunshine and the predominating Deity in the sun globe, similarly, one who comes to the light, he first of all sees the sunshine. That is impersonal. Then, if he goes further, if he is able to go to the sun planet, that is localized. And if he can enter into the sun planet and see the predominating deity there, then he is a person.\nSo this is a vast science. People are too much engrossed with material activities. They do not try to understand actually what is the position of Absolute Truth, what is the position of the soul. Practically in the present day they are more or less animalistic. Just like animal does not know anything beyond eating, sleeping, mating and defending, similarly, the modern civilization is too much busy for increasing the method of eating, increasing the process of comfortable life or sleeping, and increasing the matter of..., method of sexual life or increasing the method of defense.\nSo these things are found even in the animals. They also eat, they also sleep, they also have sex life and they also defend in their own way. So human life is not limited within these four walls. He has to understand what he is, what is this world, what is this creation, what is God, how it is going on. But they are neglecting that fact. And Kṛṣṇa consciousness will give information to this department of knowledge.",
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"content": "\nWhat are other major beliefs besides love, understanding of Kṛṣṇa, understanding of oneself, which you would like to impart to me?",
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"content": "\n Love is the basic principle of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and love is the basic principle of all our activities. So love is there, dormant, but that love is not being properly utilized. So Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the movement to revive that original love and the original person with whom that loving transaction can be executed.",
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"content": "\n What are other major beliefs, besides love, to which you ascribe?",
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"content": "\n Other belief, they are also based on the principle of love. That is actually not belief; that is misbelief. Because any religious principle... Just like Buddhism. Buddhism, actually, they do not believe in God, but they have love for Lord Buddha. So love is there. They may declare that \"We don't believe in God,\" but they love Lord Buddha.\nAnd according to our Vedic scripture, Lord Buddha is also incarnation of God. So we interpret in this way, that Lord Buddha preached among the atheists by cheating them. Oh, how he did? That they did not believe in God, and Lord Buddha said, \"Oh, yes, there is no God. But you love me.\" So they are loving Lord Buddha.\nSimilarly, there are many persons, they do not believe in family life, do not believe in so many things, but love is there. He is sleeping with a cat, with a dog. So in no circumstances you can avoid love, but they are suffering, because the love is misplaced and misused.",
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"content": "\n As far as rites which you practice and demands upon you which Kṛṣṇa makes, what are any of these rites or demands? That is, must you eat special foods, wear special clothing, special..., anything special which you put upon your face—sign, symbols—and also, is there any connection of Kṛṣṇa consciousness to the meditation of yoga or of Zen, and what of physical fitness? How does Kṛṣṇa consciousness look at this?",
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"content": "\n Our process is to accept everything which conduces to develop Kṛṣṇa's love. So those methods are given by experienced ācāryas, that \"You just follow.\" Just like when a child tries to walk, the mother gives some direction or some help in a wooden plank, that \"You try to move in this way. You will learn how to walk.\" Similarly, there are certain principles given by experienced ācāryas. If we follow those principles, then we can work or we can go to the perfection of Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.\nIt is not the method that is important. The real important is how to develop your love of Kṛṣṇa. If somebody develops love of Kṛṣṇa, or God, without those methods, there is no objection. We are not limited by the methods, or ritualistic methods. But there are certain ritualistic method which, if one follows, then he can quickly learn the art of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nJust like we restrict our students in four principles: illicit sex life and intoxication, gambling and meat-eating. So it is not that a gambler or a meat-eater or a man addicted to illicit sex life, he cannot love Kṛṣṇa. It is not that. But that is very rare case. If he follows these principles, then it will be easier for him. Because Kṛṣṇa, or God, is pure, so so long one is impure in his habits, it is not possible for him. So these are the purificatory processes.\nAnd so far our signals or some marks on the body—just like we take tilaka; we have some beads—this means... Just like it is practical. When I was in Montreal and other cities, when we passed through the road, the children, the persons, they also said, \"Hare Kṛṣṇa!\" So these marks and this symbolic representation reminds other to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just like a policeman, as soon as he appears in his dress, \"Oh, here is a policeman,\" so similarly, these things are also required to remind others. Our process is to raise person to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So if by our symbolic representation one immediately remembers Kṛṣṇa, that is our success.",
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"content": "\n And what of special foods and special drink?",
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"content": "\n Special food means kṛṣṇa-prasāda. Because we have dedicated our life to Kṛṣṇa, we eat such things which Kṛṣṇa eats. The impersonalists, they have no idea of Kṛṣṇa, they have no idea of God, and how they can conceive that the God eats also? So we are not such rascal. We know that what God eats, and we offer such thing to God, or Kṛṣṇa, and we take after His eating. That is our special food.",
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"content": "\n Could you tell me the names of these special foods? How do you know what Kṛṣṇa eats and drinks, please?",
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"content": "\n As I have told you, that Bhagavad-gītā is the book of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just like any department of knowledge, there are some books to know that departmental knowledge or science, similarly, to know Kṛṣṇa consciousness there are many books, and especially Bhagavad-gītā. In this Bhagavad-gītā Kṛṣṇa says that \"Anyone who gives Me fruits, vegetables, grains, milk, with great devotional love, I eat.\" Therefore we offer these things to Kṛṣṇa in different preparations, and we know He will eat. And that's all.",
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"content": "\n What types of food..., what types of things do you drink, such as juices or anything else do you drink?",
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"content": "\n Eatables are just within this jurisdiction of fruits, flowers, vegetables, grains and milk. But we can prepare thousands of preparation, very nice palatable preparations. And I invite you to our temple. When Love Feast is distributed on every Sunday, you will see how they are nicely prepared. But they are prepared... Only if we get some grains and some butter and some fruits and some vegetables, we can prepare hundreds of preparation, hundreds, very, very palatable. You will forget all other eating.",
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"content": "\n What are your teachers called, those who teach the members of the community of Kṛṣṇa consciousness? Are they also gurus or anything similar to the gurus of the Hindu faith?",
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"content": "\n The original guru is Kṛṣṇa. And just like He taught first the Kṛṣṇa consciousness principle to Arjuna, and how Arjuna understood, that is also there. So anyone who follows the principle... Just like my great-grandfather told something, \"This is watch.\" Then my grandfather told, \"This is watch.\" Then my father told, \"This is watch.\" So I am also telling, \"This is watch.\"\nSo there is no difference of opinion between the old great-grandfather and me, because we are following the same principle. Similarly, whatever is spoken by Kṛṣṇa five thousand years or forty millions of years, it doesn't matter. If you are simply following the same principles, then you are spiritual master.",
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"content": "\n Then your teachers are called spiritual masters? You are the spiritual preceptor, Your Holiness. And do you use the word guru?",
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"content": "\n Our guru or spiritual master comes down from that disciplic succession. It is not that, that somebody all of a sudden becomes guru and manufactures his own philosophy. We don't accept such nonsense. We must accept somebody who is actually bona fide, coming in disciplic succession, not others.",
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"content": "\n What is your opinion of yoga and Zen? Do you incorporate any of their principles, such as meditation, for example?",
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"content": "\n Any principles of religion current in the world, they are all included in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Any principle. But just like if you have got two millions of dollars, the ten dollars, fifty dollars, five hundred dollars, five thousand dollars, or go on increasing, everything is included there, similarly, Kṛṣṇa consciousness is perfect. Just like in New York there is a building, Empire State Building. It is 102 stories.\nSo one who has gone up to the topmost story, 102, it is to be understood that he has passed over the fiftieth story or fortieth story or tenth story or all the stories. So one who has become Kṛṣṇa conscious, he knows everything—the meditation, the yoga, this practice, that practice. Everything is there. That we can give proof. It is practically. So we have to simply become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then everything will be included there.",
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"content": "\n What is your hierarchy in Kṛṣṇa conscious? That is, do you have anything comparable to bishops and the hierarchy of the Christian faith and of other major faiths? That is, you are the spiritual preceptor, and who are all those below you, between you and the congregation, the members?",
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"content": "\n It is not exactly the hierarchy, but in the Christian method, Roman Catholic method, the process of the pope, archbishop and..., that is very nice. There is no objection of us. But our point is that Kṛṣṇa consciousness is lacking. In spite of all arrangement, if people lost faith in God, so simply by hierarchy, what is the benefit there? There is no benefit. You see?\nBambarambhe laghu-kriya, in the Sanskrit word, that you can make a very high-grade arrangement, but the result is zero. So that hierarchical arrangement is exactly not in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But our method is very simple. If one is fortunate enough to meet a bona fide spiritual master and if he acts strictly under his discipline, he also becomes within a very short time another spiritual master.",
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"content": "\n How does one feel called toward Kṛṣṇa conscious? That is, does he begin by having faith, or does...? What demands are made upon him? How does he come into the frame of mind where he can accept Kṛṣṇa consciousness?",
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"content": "\n Of course, faith is the basic principle of everything. If you have no faith, then you cannot make progress in any line of action. So in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is also..., faith is the basic principle. Just like I have come here. I started my classes in New York. So I was alone chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Somebody came. Naturally, out of inquisitiveness, somebody comes.\nSomebody came and, \"Oh, what this Indian svāmī is doing? Let me see.\" So he sat down. Some other came. He sat down. Then some of them took it, \"Oh, Swāmījī speaks very nice. Let me come again.\" He comes, he comes, and then he gets some faith: \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa consciousness is very nice.\" Then next point is that he wants intimate relationship with the svāmī, or me: \"Swāmījī, I have heard you so many days. I think it is very nice. So I want to be your student.\" So faith is the basic principle.\nThe next stage is that he wants to become a student. And as soon as he wants to become a student, the next stage is that I accept him a disciple if I think that he is suitable. Then as soon as he becomes a disciple, he follows my regulative principles, injunctions. Then gradually he becomes free from all misgivings, and naturally he gives up that illicit sex life or gambling or meat-eating and so many other things.\nIn that way he becomes fixed up. Then he develops a taste; he cannot give up the Society, taste. Then attraction, attachment. He wants to do everything for the Society. In this way he develops love of Kṛṣṇa. And in the final stage he loves only Kṛṣṇa and nobody else. And because Kṛṣṇa includes everyone, that means he loves everyone.",
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"content": "\n Could you describe your temple to me?",
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"content": "\n At the present moment, we have got fourteen temples: New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Santa Fe, Buffalo, Boston and Montreal and Seattle, and one in New Vrindaban. We have purchased about 130 acres of land and developing there New Vrindaban. And we have got now a temple in London, in Germany, Berlin.\nAnd we are in negotiation with Florida friends, and we have sent one of our representative in Hawaii. So we have got so many temples. Gradually it is increasing. And boys and girls, especially younger generation... My, amongst my disciples, the oldest disciple is thirty-five years old. Otherwise they are between twenty to twenty-five.",
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"content": "\n How do you account for most of your disciples being so young, that is, of right after university age, and what have your inroads been here in Seattle during the month that you have been here?",
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"content": "\n I have come here for the last ten days only. And at least two or three is already converted, Seattle. Yes. I want to see the youngsters in your country to be happy. Everyone wants that. But not only in your country; I want to see everywhere. Because that is the duty of every human being, to give information of highest happiness. That is the duty of every human being. The animal propensity is to exploit others. And human propensity should be to do good to others. That is the difference between animal propensity and human propensity.\nSo here is a nice thing, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Why should you not distribute? Especially in your country, where there is great need for it. They are not after economic development. They have seen much of economic development. Now it is time for them to take to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and they will be happy. That is my mission.",
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"content": "\n Would you tell me something of your own background? That is, where you were educated, how you became a disciple of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n I was born and educated in Calcutta. Calcutta is my home place. I was born in 1896, and I was my father's pet child, so my education began a little late, and still, I was educated in higher secondary, high school for eight years. And in college... In primary school four years, higher secondary school, eight years, in college, four years.\nThen I joined Gandhi's movement, national movement. But by good chance I met my Guru Mahārāja, my spiritual master, in 1922. And since then, I was attracted in this line, and gradually I gave up my household life. I was married in 1918 when I was still a third-year student. And so I got my children. I was doing business.\nThen I retired from my family life in 1954. For four years I was alone, without any family. Then I took regularly renounced order of life in 1959. Then I devoted myself in writing books. My first publication came out in 1962, and when there were three books, then I started for your country in 1965, and I reached here in September 1965. Since then, I am trying to preach this Kṛṣṇa consciousness in America, Canada, in European countries. And gradually the centers are developing. The disciples are also increasing. Let me see what is going to be done.",
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"content": "\n How did you become a disciple yourself? What were you, or what did you follow before you became a disciple?",
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"content": "\n Same principle as I told you: faith. One of my friend, he dragged me forcibly to my spiritual master. And when I talked with my spiritual master, I was induced. And since then, the seedling began.",
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"content": "\n Would you discuss your dancing with me, please, and explain something of it. I first saw it Tuesday evening, and I would like to know more about it.",
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"content": "\n We don't..., this dancing as an art. It is automatic. We dance, we cry, we chant, we laugh not by artificially learning it. But Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so nice, as you begin to chant, naturally you feel for dancing. So it is not taught artificially. It comes simultaneously with development of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n What are the... What is the hand attire which you are wearing? What is the meaning of this?",
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"content": "\n I am chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa whenever there is opportunity, and there are beads. So I am chanting on beads. There are 108 beads, and each bead we chant sixteen names: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. So my disciples, they chant at least sixteen rounds. Actually... [break]",
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"content": "\n I wanted to find out more about attending the services, that is, are there any books written about Kṛṣṇa consciousness here available in Seattle or any other organizations besides the temple?",
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"content": "\n We have many books already published. One, first, is Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. This is published by Macmillan and Company. You can have any number of these books from our temple. And the next book is Teachings of Lord Caitanya. That is also available from our temple. And the next book, in three parts, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nSo if somebody... These are the, I mean to say, covering of the books. So if somebody carefully reads these books, Kṛṣṇa consciousness science will be understood very easily by him. Besides these books, we have got our monthly magazine, Back to Godhead. So if the students... It is not very costly. The monthly magazine is only 35 cent per copy, and the subscription four dollars yearly. And this Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, it is only $2.95. Of course, this Teachings of Lord Caitanya, it is hardbound; it is $5.95. So they will be greatly profited.",
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"content": "\n Do you offer... What do you offer to Kṛṣṇa? That is, do you offer money in the sense of an offering in a Christian church, or do you burn anything, for example, incense, or... Could you explain this?",
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"content": "\n Yes. The flowers, incense and fruit, the same thing I have already explained, that whatever He has described in the Bhagavad-gītā. Kṛṣṇa says that \"Anyone offering Me these things in devotion...\" So we follow the same principle. So it is very nice thing.\nIf the students follow, they can follow it individually. Even in his own apartment he can keep a picture of Kṛṣṇa and offer a lamp, a candle, and one, I mean to say, incense. He will feel tremendously spiritually advanced.\nAnd if he reads these books, his life will be changed completely. That is a fact.\n[break] And two boys, Kṛṣṇānanda and one German boy, is going there very soon. So, of course, we do not expect to sell English books in Germany very much, but maybe some... [end]",
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"content": "\nHansadutta\n: [indistinct]\n\nsvayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ\nkumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ\nprahlādo janako bhīṣmo\nbalir vaiyāsakir vayam\n[SB 6.3.20]\nThe twelve mahājanas, authorities, we have discussed yesterday morning.\ndvādaśaite vijānīmo\ndharmaṁ bhāgavataṁ bhaṭāḥ\nguhyaṁ viśuddhaṁ durbodhaṁ\nyaṁ jñātvāmṛtam aśnute\n[SB 6.3.21]\nSo the science of Kṛṣṇa is very difficult to understand. Durbodham. Durbodham. Durbodham means very, very difficult to understand. Therefore you have to approach the mahājanas. People, they try to understand which is impossible to understand by their own effort. That is a great mistake. Therefore this very word is used, durbodham. What is religion and what is God, that is very, very difficult to understand.\nThe Vedic injunction is, in order to understand, one must approach a bona fide spiritual master, durbodham. Guhyaṁ viśuddham. Why durbodham? Why it is very difficult to understand? Because it is transcendental, viśuddham, beyond the range of this material atmosphere. Our knowledge is...\nWe get knowledge after creation of this body; therefore all knowledge is material. We tax our brain, which is a material production only. So there is no possibility of understanding religion or God by taxing the material membrane... What is called?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is not possible. But those who are grossly materialistic, those who do not know that beyond this materialistic body there is the soul, they cannot understand, for them, this yogic principle is recommended, to exercise this body. As if by exercising the body he will understand God and understand religion.\nTherefore the yoga system is not recommended for the first-class men. First-class men, they know that by gymnastic process of exercising the material senses, one can[not] understand God or religion. Viśuddham. It is beyond.\nTherefore another name of Kṛṣṇa, or God, is Adhokṣaja. Adhaḥ. Adhaḥ means falls down, and akṣaja, akṣaja means... Akṣa means direct experience, direct seeing, direct touching. And ja means born. Knowledge born of direct perception of the senses—this is called akṣaja. And adhaḥ means where akṣaja, the direct perception of material senses, is cut down. There is no possibility. He is called adhokṣaja. Therefore, Kṛṣṇa's another name is Adhokṣaja, \"beyond the sense perception knowledge.\"\nPanthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara-sampragamyaḥ. We cannot understand God or religion by our mental speculation even by the speed of mind, manasa. Panthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara. And the speculation continues by..., continues to hundreds and hundreds of years. Panthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara. Śata means hundred, and koṭi means ten million. So ten million into hundred—then unlimited time. If you go on speculating, by speculation, panthās tu koṭi, still, your conception of God or religion will remain incomplete.\nPanthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara-sampragamyo vāyor athāpi [Bs. 5.34]. By airplane, with the speed of the mind... There are different airplanes, and they have got different speeds. Now, if you manufacture an airplane which runs with the speed of the mind... You know the speed of the mind. Within a second, you can travel millions of miles.\nSo an airplane running on, on that speed, and thinking for millions of years, still, you cannot approach the abode of Kṛṣṇa or understand Kṛṣṇa. Only you can understand by His mercy. Only by the mercy of... Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti. Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti [Bg. 18.55]. Just like Kṛṣṇa is voluntarily offering Arjuna to understand Bhagavad-gītā. He's not going to canvass anyone. \"Arjuna, you understand it. You'll be able to understand, because you are My devotee.\"\nSo for a devotee only, the door of God is open. For others, there is no possibility. Therefore He's called durbodham. Durbodhaṁ yaṁ jñātvā. But somehow or other, if he can understand the principles of religion and God, then immediately he becomes immortal. Immortal means he's no more going to accept any material body.\nThat is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:\njanma karma me divyaṁ\nyo jānāti tattvataḥ\ntyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma\nnaiti mām eti kaunteya\n[Bg. 4.9]\nAnyone who can understand in truth, not ephemerally, substantially if one understands what is Kṛṣṇa, how He appears, what are His activities, what is our relation—these things, when one understands, immediately he becomes liberated. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma. Such person, giving up this body, no more comes into this material world. The same thing is herein, that jñātvā. If one can understand what is religion and what is Kṛṣṇa, only by this understanding, jñātvā amṛtam aśnute. Amṛtam. Mṛtam means death. A means \"none,\" \"not,\" negation. So amṛtam aśnute: he drinks nectarine. The word nectarine, sudhā.\nYou know there was fight between the demons and the demigods, who will drink the amṛta, the nectarine. Because by drinking nectarine one becomes immortal. So here it is said, amṛtam aśnute. As by drinking nectarine one can become immortal, similarly, by drinking the nectarine of devotion one becomes immortal. Therefore we have named the book Nectarine of Devotion. You drink it and become immortal. That's all. Amṛtam aśnute.\netāvān eva loke 'smin\npuṁsāṁ dharmaḥ paraḥ smṛtaḥ\nbhakti-yogo bhagavati\ntan-nāma-grahaṇādibhiḥ\n[SB 6.3.22]\nSo dharma, this religion, so although it is very difficult to understand, still, by the grace of Kṛṣṇa, it has been made very simple and easy. Unfortunately, people have no faith. They do not believe. They think something cumbrous, something speculative, something very difficult is the process of executing religion. No.\nYamarāja says that etāvān eva loke 'smin puṁsāṁ dharmaḥ paraḥ smṛtaḥ: \"The highest principle of religion is this.\" What is that? Bhakti-yogaḥ bhagavati. Bhakti-yoga. One may... Just like some people, some foolish say, \"Bhakti-yoga... I have got very much devotion to Goddess Kālī, to Goddess Durgā,\" or so many demigods. \"This is also bhakti.\" No. Bhakti-yoga means bhagavati.\nLove means love of Godhead. Otherwise, there is no love—only lust. Similarly, bhakti means, when this word used, bhakti-yoga, that is only in relationship with the bhakta, or devotee, and Bhagavān. That is called bhakti-yoga. Nāma, harer nāma, not that any name. Harer nāma harer nāma [Cc. Ādi 17.21]. Any name can be applied to Kṛṣṇa indirectly, but directly... We are concerned directly.\nĀnukūlyena kṛṣṇānuśīlanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. We have to cultivate Kṛṣṇa not indirectly. Indirectly, everything is worshiping Kṛṣṇa, because there is nothing but Kṛṣṇa everywhere. Just like Kaṁsa. Kaṁsa, he was thinking of Kṛṣṇa indirectly, as enemy. Therefore, that is not bhakti. Bhakti means Kṛṣṇa consciousness favorably, directly.\nSo if somebody says, \"If everything is Bhagavān, why not worshiping the Goddess Kālī and Durgā becomes bhakti?\" No. That is not. Here it is distinctly stated, bhakti-yogaḥ bhagavati. Bhakti-yogaḥ bhagavati. And that bhakti-yoga, how it begins? Tan-nāma-grahaṇādibhiḥ. Tan-nāma, His name, His holy name, grahaṇa, chanting. The method is very simple. Tan-nāma-grahaṇa-ādibhiḥ. \nĀdibhiḥ means beginning is chanting. There are other processes. Chanting, śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ smaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam, arcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyam... [SB 7.5.23]. There are different processes, but the beginning is chanting and hearing. Tan-nāma-grahaṇādibhiḥ. Nāma-grahaṇa.\nBhaktivinoda Ṭhākura says, nāma saya sari tako apana karya.[?] So this, our process, first of all, we give the chanting process, sixteen rounds. That whole process of bhakti-yoga begins from that point. And the more you become experienced and more you relish the chanting, the more you become advanced. Other things will automatically come and make you perfect. Tan-nāma.\nTherefore we should be very much, I mean to say, strict in the principle of following the regulative principles and avoiding offenses and chant the mantra faithfully. That is the beginning of religion, and that is the beginning of liberation. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu blesses that ihā haite sarva-siddhi haibe tomāra: If you chant the holy name of Kṛṣṇa in faith and according to rules and regulations...\nEven rules and regulation fails, but chanting may not be stopped. Even sometimes we fail. There is possibility of failing, because we are conditioned, and there is every chance of falling down. So despite you are fallen down, still, you should go on chanting.\nThis verse, Nārada Muni's instruction, we were discussing the last meeting.\ntyaktvā sva-dharmaṁ caraṇāmbujaṁ harer\nbhajann apakvo 'tha patet tato yadi\n[SB 1.5.17]\nOne has taken to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness cult and is chanting as far as possible, but there is possibility, because one is not mature, there are so many attraction of māyā, he may fall down. But Nārada Muni says, \"Still, he is not in loss.\" It is so powerful. \"Still he is in gain. And one who does not take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, if he is following the principles of..., religious principles—everyone has got some religion—still, what does he gain? He does not gain anything.\" That is the verdict of Nārada Muni.\nA person who has taken to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, giving up his all religious principles and occupations, even he falls down on account of his immature position, he is much gainer than the person who is sticking to his religious principle, so-called religious principle, but does not know what Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He does not gain anything. That is the verdict of Nārada Muni.\nnāmoccāraṇa māhātmyaṁ\nhareḥ paśyata putrakāḥ\najāmilo 'pi yenaiva\nmṛtyu-pāśād amucyata\n[SB 6.3.23]\nSo the evidence is that Ajāmila, simply by his chanting \"Nārāyaṇa,\" he became saved from imminent danger, being arrested by the Yamadūtas, or death.\netāvatālam agha-nirharaṇāya puṁsāṁ\nsaṅkīrtanaṁ bhagavato guṇa-karma-nāmnām\nvikruśya putram aghavān yad ajāmilo 'pi\nnārāyaṇeti mriyamāṇa iyāya muktim\n[SB 6.3.24]\nThis is the conclusion, that,\netāvatālam agha-nirharaṇāya puṁsāṁ\nsaṅkīrtanaṁ bhagavato guṇa-karma-nāmnām\n[SB 6.3.24]\nTherefore Yamarāja is recommending that by our fruitive activities we are implicated in so many sinful reaction of life, so saṅkīrtanaṁ bhagavato guṇa-karma-nāmnām. Not only the chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is called saṅkīrtana of the holy name of the Lord, but here it is said, guṇa-karma-nāmnām. Saṅkīrtanaṁ bhagavato guṇa-karma-nāmnām.\nNot that when you read Kṛṣṇa, the book which is full of Kṛṣṇa's activities... That is also saṅkīrtana. That is also saṅkīrtana. Saṅkīrtana does not mean simply chanting the holy name of Kṛṣṇa. Saṅkīrtana means you discuss Kṛṣṇa's activities, that is also saṅkīrtana. That is not different from saṅkīrtana.\nIt is clearly stated here that bhagavato guṇa-karma-nāmnām. Nāma means name, and guṇa means quality and karma means activities. That is not ordinary karma. Just like when we read Kṛṣṇa book, Kṛṣṇa is killing so many demons, He is kidnapping somebody, He is... So many things. It appears just like ordinary, I mean to say, malpractices in the material world. It appears like that.\n\"So what is this God? He is killing so many persons, He is kidnapping some woman. What is this God?\" they may say. But they do not know that that is also transcendental. That is as pure as chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. It is as pure as. Otherwise, what interest we have got to read Bhagavad-gītā? It is in the battlefield. Senayor ubhayor madhye [Bg. 1.21]. Combination of two parties, soldiers, and they are fighting, they are killing.\nTherefore those who are sahajiyās, they simply go to the pastimes of Lord Kṛṣṇa with the gopīs. Other things, \"Oh, no, no. That is not Kṛṣṇa's pastime. That is not Kṛṣṇa's pastime.\" That is, they differentiate the absolute activities of the Absolute. That is called sahajiyā. The sahajiyās will never read Bhagavad-gītā, will never read. Because they have been elevated to the mellows of conjugal love.\nTherefore they have no interest in Bhagavad-gītā. They say. Or when you discuss Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam on the philosophical point, janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1], they also do not attend. If you discuss on the philosophy of Upaniṣad and Vedānta, they'll not attend.\nI have seen it. In Rādhā-kuṇḍa, sometimes in 1934, my Guru Mahārāja was living, and he was discussing Upaniṣad. He was discussing Upaniṣad regularly. And the bābājīs—there are many bābājīs in Rādhā-kuṇḍa—first of all they came, that \"Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura has come, such a learned scholar and the establisher of Gauḍīya Maṭha.\"\nSo out of curiosity they came. And when they saw that he was discussing Upaniṣad, gradually they stopped coming. So my Guru Mahārāja recommended that \"These people are not living in Rādhā-kuṇḍa. They are living in Nāraka-kuṇḍa.\" I have heard it personally.\nSo those persons distinguish. Just like Bhīṣma. Bhīṣma is stated here as one of the authority, mahājana. But what did he do? He fought against Kṛṣṇa and pierced with his arrows. You know, in the... We have stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Kṛṣṇa became so much disturbed that... Not disturbed; that is also another... He's pleased. He became pleased, rather. Being pierced by the arrows of Bhīṣma, He became pleased. That I have described in my translation.\nSo being pleased, He came before him. He came before him as if angry, but not... He was so pleased, that \"You wanted to break My promise. I have broken it! Please save Arjuna; that is My request to you.' \" He promised that \"Now tomorrow I shall fight in such a way that either Kṛṣṇa has to break His promise, either..., or His most intimate friend, beloved friend, Arjuna, will be killed.\"\nSo this person is determining to kill Kṛṣṇa's friend, most intimate friend, and he's a mahājana. Just try to understand. Bhīṣma is accepted here as mahājana, as authority. And what was his business? He wanted to kill Kṛṣṇa and Arjuna. Just try to understand.\nTherefore, we have to follow only the instruction of mahājana; otherwise, we'll be bewildered. Vaiṣṇave kriyā mudrā vijñeha nā bujhaya [Cc. Madhya 23.39]. We cannot understand what are the activities of Kṛṣṇa and His devotees. We have to simply follow their instruction. That's all. The sahajiyās, they do not follow the instruction. They imitate only: \"Kṛṣṇa has made rāsa-līlā; so why not we also make rāsa-līlā?\" It is going on, regularly.\nSo etāvatālam agha-nirharaṇāya puṁsāṁ saṅkīrtanam [SB 6.3.24]. If you actually want to become free from the contamination of this material world, then you should always be engaged in chanting, saṅkīrtanam. Not only the holy name, but reading the Kṛṣṇa book, The Nectar of Devotion, Teachings of Lord Caitanya.\nIf you feel tired chanting, you read these books. Sometimes there is psychology, transfer. You are reading some book, you want to read another book. So we have got so many books. If you feel tired this book, then transfer your attention to another book, or another book, or chant. Find out. Simply, not to waste a single moment.\nKīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ [Cc. Ādi 17.31]. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says sadā. Sadā means always. So we have got materials for engaging ourself always in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Not that we have got only this one item. No. We have got so many items. That is also accepted.\nśravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ\nsmaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam\narcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyaṁ\nsakhyam ātma-nivedanam\n[SB 7.5.23]\nIn whatever activities you are engaged... My Guru Mahārāja condemns the...\nduṣṭa mana! tumi kisera vaiṣṇava?\npratiṣṭhāra tare, nirjanera ghare,\ntava hari-nāma kevala kaitava\n[Duṣṭa-Mana 1]\n[\"My dear mind, what kind of devotee are you? Simply for cheap adoration you sit in a solitary place and pretend to chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa \nmahā-mantra,\n but this is all cheating.\"]\nHe says that in a corner, in a secluded place, you are chanting is a cheating process for cheap adoration. Why? Because he knows that those who are neophytes, if they imitate the chanting, they simply waste their time. Therefore, he should be engaged in other activities, because he has got the power at the present moment, karma.\nKarma means activities. This whole world is full of activities. Therefore this karma should be changed into bhakti, in devotional service. He..., one must be engaged in that... It appears like karma, but it is not karma; it is bhakti. Here also... Just like Kṛṣṇa is doing something. That is not karma; that is transcendental. Similarly, a devotee in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, for service of Kṛṣṇa, if he is engaged which looks superficially as karma, that is not karma; that is bhakti.\nThe sahajiyās, they do not know it. They think that \"We shall sit in a secluded place and chant, imitating Haridāsa.\" We have seen it. Their imitation is useless. They fall down. Therefore they must be always engaged in some activities. Otherwise, he'll be attracted by the modes of ignorance and passion.\nEtāvatālam agha-nirharaṇāya. Agha means the reaction of sinful activities. Every one of us, anyone who is in this material world, he is sinful. Without being sinful, nobody is here in this material world. If he's not sinful, then he'll be immediately transferred. Yeṣām anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ janānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām [Bg. 7.28]. Immediately transferred to the spiritual world. He has...\nJust like a person who has finished his criminal punishment, immediately he is released from the prison. Similarly, a person who is freed from the resultant action of sinful activities, he immediately becomes liberated. Therefore anyone who is in this material world engaged in fruitive activities... Not the devotees. That is another mistake. The devotees are also here, but they are always in Vaikuṇṭha. Brahma-bhūyāya kalpate [Bg. 14.26].\nSo anyway, the general process is that instead of, I mean to say, following the religious rituals for diminishing or getting out of the sinful reaction, one is recommended to accept bhakti-yoga, beginning with the chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa. That is the conclusion.\nThank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [end]",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] has come?",
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"content": "\n Yes, [indistinct] has come. Here is the foot pedals lead and earplug.",
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"content": "\nAnd... Jaya. I think there is... there an outlet here, Śrīla Prabhupāda?\n There's an outlet there. There's an outlet right there. Here.\n [indistinct] here.",
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"content": "\n Join?",
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"content": "\n Is this desk lamp work all right for you, Śrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n Yes. There is two or one?",
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"content": "\n I think there's one, so that means I'll have to get an adaptor.",
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"content": "\n Adaptor [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n [indistinct, moving equipment] This cord is not reaching well. I think perhaps it would be nice to keep it on the floor?\nSure.\n [tapping sound] Not working.",
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"content": "\n Oh, there is no bulb.",
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"content": "\n No bulb. Oh.",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes. You can sit it here. I wanted that box covered; then I would have kept here.",
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"content": "\n All right, I'll ask for the cover. Light bulb [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nYes. [devotee enters] Pratyatoṣa. You know what is the pratyatoṣa? Prati, pratyatoṣa.",
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"content": "\n What is the translation, Śrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n He can satisfy everyone.",
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"content": "\n Haribol.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Only Kṛṣṇa consciousness person satisfy everyone...\n[aside] You can [indistinct] this light. Switch on.",
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"content": "\n Śrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n Yes?",
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"content": "\n I'd like to give you this.",
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"content": "\n [aside:] Get that.",
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"content": "\n This here. It's my savings account, and there's a deposit slip in there, eleven hundred and thirty-three dollars and thirty-four cents, and I would like to present it as a gift.",
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"content": "\nSo you can...",
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"content": "\nĀtreya Ṛṣi can take care of all this.",
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"content": "\n What is this?",
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"content": "\n It's a withdrawal slip. That's just... That's Ātreya Ṛṣi..., and Ātreya Ṛṣi can take care of the details of getting the money out of the account to do whatever you want with it.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] the amount, you can charge my account [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n You see, originally we were planning on...",
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"content": "\n That's all. It is all right.",
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"content": "\n This is a presentation from Mahāpuruṣa. It's a dollar and brāhmaṇa's thread. It's a humble presentation.",
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"content": "\n You're not going to be working this immediately? I want to get...",
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"content": "\n No, no. If you want to join, join there.",
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"content": "\n I want to do it nicely, so it's not in your way. And also...",
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"content": "\n No, just later on I can do it.",
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"content": "\n Why later on? Why not now. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Śrīla Prabhupāda, I just wanted to ask you about... I'd like to get you a tape recorder. I wanted to get a real, really nice one. And I was thinking of getting one that has four channels. You could record four channels simultaneously or you could record, if you want to, one channel at a time.",
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"content": "\n Stanberg? Stanberg?",
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"content": "\n Well, no, it's a Sony, it's a Sony Professional.\n Eight track. It has eight tracks.\n It'll work anywhere in the world.",
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"content": "\n Oh!",
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"content": "\n Because the speed is electronically controlled, so you don't have to worry about the current, how many cycles per second. It'll work at different voltages, so it'll work anywhere in the world. And you could record, like, your voice on one channel and karatālas on the other channel and mṛdaṅga on another channel, and you can mix them together at the end.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct aside] It is very big?",
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"content": "\n Well, I think this one probably might be kind of big.",
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"content": "\n Can you carry it?",
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"content": "\n Oh, sure. Sonys are actually pretty compact. You can tell by the size of the reels, you know. But, see, there's four meters, so you could record four tracks, four channels simultaneously.",
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"content": "\n And it is stereo?",
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"content": "\n Stereo and quadraphonic.\n That means eight..., just like yours, four-track, Śrīla Prabhupāda. This is eight-track.\n No, this isn't eight-track.\n No?\n This is eight channel. You can only record in one direction when you use four channels. But you can also use it as a standard stereo and record in both directions.",
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"content": "\n First of all this way, then this way.",
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"content": "\n Yeah, you can do that, or else you could use all four tracks at the same time and just record in one direction if you want all four channels.",
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"content": "\n There are four microphones?",
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"content": "\n Yeah, you can have four microphones at the same time. To make good stereo recordings of music, it's nice to have four channels, because then you can mix them together afterwards and you can make it perfect.",
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"content": "\n It is Sony?",
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"content": "\n See, these are really Kṛṣṇa's mercy. They have microphones. These are microphones. They're made in Sweden. They're really about the best line you can get, and they're very inexpensive.",
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"content": "\n Why the sound is not...",
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"content": "\n It's on very low now. This is very low.",
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"content": "\n No, it comes one, two.",
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"content": "\n It's on zero.",
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"content": "\n It is zero. Then one it comes. [sound of Prabhupāda's voice on tape recorder]",
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"content": "\nComing very low.\n That's all right.",
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"content": "\n That's all right.",
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"content": "\n It goes up to ten.",
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"content": "\n I know that.",
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"content": "\n So this is what I planned on doing with the money, but then Bhavānanda and the GBC wondered about whether maybe the Book Fund or the around-the-world trip would have higher priority. So that's why I just wanted to donate the money, so maybe after I'm gṛhastha I could get this for you.",
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"content": "\n This money?",
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"content": "\n Yeah, he wanted to donate this money for a tape recorder.\n Yeah, but...\n The GBC suggested that he give it just to your Book Fund or else to pay for the around-the-world tour, to help pay for it.\n They thought that might have higher priority than... It's a project, I wanted to set up a library of all of your tapes and make them available to everybody and preserve them, and have them all indexed.",
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"content": "\n Yes, I wanted a tape recorder.",
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"content": "\n Do you think this would fit your needs, Śrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n Yes, I wanted. I wanted to purchase one Stanberg.",
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"content": "\n Tandberg?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Well, we have a Tandberg here that you can use. I had it in Detroit, remember? It's a very, very good machine, and I'm going to leave it here in New York because I have to go to Minneapolis for some training because of my job.\nI have a job as a computer programmer, so I have to go there for a while, but I'll be back in New York. But I'm going to show Gadādhara and Candanācārya how to use it so they can use it, and then you can use it during the daytime. It's a really good machine.",
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"content": "\n So where is that machine?",
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"content": "\n Pardon?",
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"content": "\n Where is that machine?",
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"content": "\n That's a Tandberg.\n Now it's in the temple. I use it when Your Divine Grace is speaking.",
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"content": "\n So where is that machine?",
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"content": "\n It's in the temple room right now. It's connected to the P.A. system and a microphone.",
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"content": "\n So you bring it and we will see. Hmm?",
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"content": "\n Okay. I have to leave tonight, but I'll instruct Gadādhara and Candanācārya how to use it while I'm gone.",
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"content": "\n Tandberg machine is nice.",
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"content": "\n Yeah, it's a good machine. It's made in Norway.",
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"content": "\n And that is not very costly also.",
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"content": "\n No, I ordered it directly from Norway, saved quite a bit on it.",
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"content": "\n What did you pay for it?",
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"content": "\n Two hundred and twenty-five, and the list price at the time was five hundred and fifty. I got this before I came into the movement.",
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"content": "\n So it is five hundred and fifty, the same machine?",
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"content": "\n Yeah, that's what they charged in the United States, five hundred fifty, and I ordered it for two hundred and twenty-five.",
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"content": "\n In Norway I got it, and then there's duty.",
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"content": "\n The same machine?",
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"content": "\n Yes, exactly.",
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"content": "\n Then bring it; it is working. Then we can utilize this one for other things.",
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"content": "\n Okay, fine. Okay, but maybe someday then I can get this, do you think?",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n Do you think someday we could use that machine?",
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"content": "\n I do not know, but I have got experience Tandberg is very nice.",
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"content": "\n Yeah, they're very reliable. They're reliable machines. And also, my job is computer programming, and I think that computers could be used.",
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"content": "\n Computer?",
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"content": "\n Yeah, they could be used in many, many ways in the Society. Like one... I think the most important use it could be put to is for helping in transcribing and editing and composing. A computer can do composing automatically, and so...",
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"content": "\n Automatically?",
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"content": "\n Sure. It's all automatic, because it's actually just a mechanical process, just getting the lines to come out even at the end and everything.",
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"content": "\n You can learn that?",
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"content": "\n I already know computer programming, Prabhupāda.",
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"content": "\n Oh.",
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"content": "\n I learned it in high school, and I was working as a programmer.",
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"content": "\n Then why not take a computer?",
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"content": "\n Sure. And we can get a terminal. You can buy a computer terminal for about $600.\n Oh, really?\n And for $185 a month, we could have forty hours a week of computer time, eight hours a day. And they have courses. This company gives computerized courses that'll teach children how to read and how to do arithmetic through the terminal, you know. And also, it has a fantastic editor. If you type in the text, and any mistakes you make, you can just type in a few instructions with a computer and it'll change them.\nThen after you get all the text the way you want it, it's stored on a magnetic disk at the computer. And then when you get it perfect—you can change it a hundred times if you want—but when you get it perfect, then you just have the computer automatically type out the whole thing.\nType it out and paste it up... finished.",
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"content": "\n You know how to do that?",
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"content": "\n Yes, Prabhupāda. I got A's in that.\nThese terminals have paper tape punches. You can punch the paper tape and then feed the paper tape into a machine called a photon machine, and you get out a perfectly composed page with... You can have any type size you want, you can have any type of, what do you call it, the face, you know, the typeface, and it'll be perfect for publishing. It'll come right out of that. The whole process is automatic.\n Those tapes can be kept, stored, all the tapes.\n Sure, they can be kept stored. And then... Oh, also, you get free storage with this for 300,000 characters. That's about 100 pages at least.\n This is a wonderful idea, Śrīla Prabhupāda. I don't know why no one thought of this before.\n I'll leave this here, okay? I'll leave this here.",
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"content": "\n All right, you read it.",
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"content": "\n And this tells... This is the basis of the whole language. They have Fortran...\n Honeywell machine?\n It's Honeywell, yeah. And see, this is educational.\n What language...? Could we use Fortran to program this language?\n Yeah, there's four languages. There's the...\n But what is best for programming Śrīla Prabhupāda's books? Fortran?\n No, there's an editor, it's called Edit, you see, and it's designed for editing text.\n Similar to Fortran?\n Well, no, it's just a special language by itself, but it's real easy to learn.\n Easy language?\n It's very easy.\n See, I was mostly doing Fortran. I'm a little out of practice now.\n You could learn this like nothing. This is Edit. But you only have to type in the text once, just a rough, and that's it. No retyping is necessary from start to finish.\n Śrīla Prabhupāda, this is wonderful. Get the books composed in no time, so fast, and pasted up.\n Sure. And the composers are available. VIP system.\n Śrīla Prabhupāda, not only that, but no paste-up is required, because the pages will come out perfect, and it can just be photographed.\n Yeah, right. The layout is almost eliminated. Composing is completely eliminated, and the editing is so easy and so fast that it'll be... The thing is, you'll be able to get a final copy that's really perfect, because it doesn't matter how many changes you make, it's so easy.\nEven if there's... You have one word you want to change, and it's just a minor change. Normally you might not want to do it because that means retyping the whole thing. But with this, it's no trouble, because the computer just types it out in no time.\n I used to think, Śrīla Prabhupāda, \"I wonder when the day is going to come when we're going to be able to use computers in Kṛṣṇa consciousness?\" and now maybe it's come. Composing can be eliminated, done automatically, and the layout can be done automatically, because the pages will come out perfect. When they're typed out, they will come out perfect. Therefore, there's no need of layout. You simply photograph those pages.\n With a photon machine, you can do a whole book. You could have a thousand-page book done in one night. It would type the whole thing in one night. That's all you'd need is a [indistinct].\n Those machines are fantastic.\n They're so fast.\n They are fantastic.\n They turn out a page in a couple of seconds.\n Electric brain.\n Yeah.\n Big electric.\n And they're always perfect. There's no variation in the characters or anything like this.",
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"content": "\n But as soon as an electronic is a little sick, the whole thing stop.",
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"content": "\n No, they're reliable machines. These are just...",
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"content": "\n That's all right.",
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"content": "\n $185 per month for 40 hours a week.\n That means eight hours a day, five hours...\n Yeah, that's just a little over a dollar an hour for the computer time, and it's a really... Normally it would be about twelve hundred or thirteen hundred dollars a month, but because... See, there's another thing, you've got to...\nThe time is only between 6:00 p.m. and 2:00 a.m., that's why it's less expensive. But that's a better time, actually, because it's after hours, and you get a faster response on the computer because there's hardly anybody on it. It's really good. And normally it's...",
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"content": "\n What is the whole price?",
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"content": "\n Well, the terminal would cost $700 for one that handled upper and lower case. You can get 132 characters across.",
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"content": "\n Well, that's for purchasing it. Then you have to maintain it yourself, or else you have to hire somebody else to maintain it for you. But you could just lease it for about $85 a month, and the maintenance and paper and paper tape and supplies...",
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"content": "\n You have to purchase at $700, then you have to pay maintenance service.",
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"content": "\n Correct.\n The machine is like a typewriter. It's hooked up with a computer... By telephone cables?\n Oh, yeah. You just dial over an ordinary telephone. You can use more than one time-sharing service on the same terminal just by dialing different numbers. In Washington, D.C., I was using four different computers through the same terminal, just by dialing different numbers.\nAnd they can be thousands of miles away; it doesn't matter. In Minneapolis, I'm using a computer that's located in..., near Baltimore, near Washington, D.C. And it's just like... It doesn't matter how far away it is.",
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"content": "\n Yeah, just by a phone call. Just by calling a local number, too, because they have lines already set up.\n Like you were talking with that big [indistinct].\n I was communicating with a karmī friend of mine in Baltimore through the computer system. He was using the same computer. So that's another thing I could do, communications. And we could do accounting with...",
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"content": "\n We could communicate with all the temples through the... If another temple had a terminal on the same computer system, they could communicate, they could share common...",
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"content": "\n [referring to tape recorders] What is the difference between this machine and that machine?",
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"content": "\n This one... This is only two channels, and this one's four channels. This one, the one that's shown, can take the large-size professional reels, ten-and-a-half inch. You can also get one of these with the ten-and-a-half inch, which is really an advantage to be able to use that, that size.\nBecause you can purchase those in cases, professional lots, and then you can put them on smaller reels if you wanted to—just cut the tape for however size the recording is and put it on a smaller reel.",
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"content": "\n So first of all you bring this Tandberg, then I shall see.",
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"content": "\n I'm not too sure, but it'd probably be about two hundred and fifty, something like that. The numbers usually sort of correspond to the price more or less.",
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"content": "\n I found Tandberg better than Sony.",
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"content": "\n Well the very expensive Sonys are good. The less expensive Sonys aren't very good, but the motors aren't powerful enough. But like that real expensive Sony has three motors, and it's got..., it's all electronically controlled with solenoids, so that there's very few moving parts, and I think it would be a really good machine.",
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"content": "\n What is this?\n That's different from this. That's if you aren't getting this educational package, then you've got to pay all these rates. Some of these rates apply anyway.\n All this rate business, you know about it. I just want to look at the program. What is this?\n That's a Dolby system for recording with less noise. That's for tape recorders.\n Why don't you take that? I'll just keep this [indistinct]. What's this?\n That's for the computer system. That's courses that are available over the computer.\n Over the computer?\n Yeah, the computer teaches, you see.\n Oh, yeah. Just like these computers, you can learn the language.\n This is like a mechanical tutor.\n But you can even learn this Edit language over the machine, right?",
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"content": "\n Machine teach language?",
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"content": "\n There's a language called Teach, so we can write our own programs for teaching. We could write programs to teach Bhagavad-gītā. We could have all the scriptures on the computer programs. [end]",
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"content": "\n The following lecture was recorded on the morning of December 24th, 1970, in Surat, India.[break]",
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"content": "\n\nsūryo 'gniḥ khaṁ marud devaḥ\nsomaḥ sandhyāhanī diśaḥ\nkaṁ kuḥ svayaṁ dharma iti\nhy ete daihyasya sākṣiṇaḥ\n[SB 6.1.42]\nThere are many Vedic evidences how the Vedas are directly received from the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Here are some of the evidences quoted from the Vedas:\nsvayambhu miticha nisyam matrena svayam eva bhavati sed\nasya mahato bhūtasya naśvasitam etad yad ṛg-vedo iti\nIn the Vedas it is stated that by the breathing of the Mahā-Viṣṇu, all these Vedas, especially Rg-Veda, is manifested.\nThen the question is that dharma or adharma. Dharma and the opposite, adharma; religion or non-religion; pious and non-pious; how they can be distinguished? How one is detected that he is non-religious and non-pious? This question was raised by our Christian professor when I was student in the Scottish Churches College, Calcutta. Dr. Urquhart, he was a great scholar, but he did not believe in the karma-vāda, that one has to suffer or enjoy the fruits of his own karma. Because according to Christian philosophy, after death there is no more birth. Is it not? Heh?\nWho is there? [a few devotees talk at once, indistinct]\nSo his argument was that \"Who is the witness?\" According karma-vāda, his analogy was that suppose a man has done something criminal. In the court there are witnesses to prove that this man has committed this theft or this criminal activity. So who is the witness? Suppose I have done something criminal or impious in my past life, so who is giving evidences that I did it; therefore I am suffering?\nSo at that time, of course, we were boys only. There was not much study; we simply heard. Later on, of course, we could understand from Bhagavad-gītā that the supreme witness is Kṛṣṇa Himself: īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61], and He is the prime witness. He is seeing everyone, what he is doing. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, sarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭo [Bg. 15.15]: \"I am sitting in everyone's heart.\" Mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca: \"Through Me anyone, every living entity, gets his remembrance or forgetfulness.\"\nSo this is also essential, that if anyone questions that why God, Kṛṣṇa, makes one forgetful and why God makes one remembering—that is also His mercy. This is mercy. Now suppose if one was a king in his previous birth, and now he has become a hog. So if the hog does not forget that he was a king… There was…, in the Purāṇas there are stories like that. Sometimes Indra, the king of heaven, he was cursed to become a hog. So he was enjoying the hog's life—the she-hog and many kiddies and eating stool and living in a very nice, filthy place. [laughter] So he was enjoying that life.\nNow when Brahmā saw that in his absence the management of the heavenly kingdom was not properly being done, so he came down and asked the hog that \"All right, whatever you have done, now I have come to deliver you to come with me.\" The hog said, \"No, no. I cannot go. I have got so much family responsibilities.\" [laughter] You see? So he refused. He was Indra, the king of heaven—now he is acting as hog, and he is satisfied. That is Kṛṣṇa's mercy. If he was not satisfied, how he could live as a hog?\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa says, mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca [Bg. 15.15]: \"Through Me the living entity forgets.\" That is a qualification of the conditioned soul. That is the difference between God and the living entity. God does not forget; the living entity forgets. That is the difference, how the difference is understood.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā you will see when Kṛṣṇa says that \"Previously I spoke this science of Bhagavad-gītā, bhagavad-yoga,\" imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam [Bg. 4.1], \"to the sun-god.\" So Arjuna enquired from Kṛṣṇa, \"How is that? Kṛṣṇa, You are my age, You were born later, and sun-god means long, long years ago. So how is it that You instructed him?\"\nSo His answer was that \"Both you and Me had many, many births, but you have forgotten; I remember.\" This is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. That means the living entity is subjected to forgetfulness. Just like if I ask any one of you to remember what you were doing at this time say one week before, that is very difficult to answer immediately.\nSo forgetfulness is a qualification or disqualification, whatever Kṛṣṇa says, of the living entity. And at the present moment we have also all forgotten that we are part and parcel of God. We have intimate relationship with Him, and somehow or other we have fallen in this material world—we don't remember. Because we do not remember, therefore Kṛṣṇa mercifully gives you all these Vedas—because you do not remember.\nanādi-bahirmukha jīva kṛṣṇa bhuli' gela\nataeva kṛṣṇa veda-purāṇa kailā\n[Cc. Madhya 20.117]\nThis is a statement in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta, that from time immemorial. When the forgetfulness began, it is very difficult to trace out; but in fact we have forgotten. That's a fact. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is so merciful, in order to remind us about our spiritual life, our spiritual identity, our oneness with Kṛṣṇa as spiritual sparks, as part and parcel… These things we have forgotten.\nOur actual relationship with Kṛṣṇa we have forgotten; therefore Kṛṣṇa comes personally sometimes, just like Kṛṣṇa came, and He teaches. He leaves behind Him the Bhagavad-gītā to remind us about our relationship with Kṛṣṇa, and He requests that \"Please give up all your nonsense engagement as hogs. Please come back to Me; I shall give you protection,\" sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg. 18.66].\nThat is Kṛṣṇa's business, because Kṛṣṇa is the father of all living entities. He is not happy that all these living entities are rotting as hogs in this material world. Therefore it is His business. He comes personally sometimes; He sends His representative, He sends His son, just like Lord Jesus Christ. He claims that he is the son. This is quite possible, that... Everyone is son, but this son means a particular favorite son who is sent to a particular place to reclaim them back to home, back to Godhead. This is going on.\nSo that question that Christian professor, Dr. Urquhart, said, \"Who is the…\" Therefore all other scriptures, they are not sufficient; they are insufficient. Only Vedic literatures are sufficient—full. They are also parts of the Vedic literature, but just like I…, several times we have gave the example: the pocket dictionary and the international dictionary, Webster's—very big volume dictionary. Both of them are dictionaries, but pocket dictionary is not as full of information as in the Webster's International Dictionary.\nSimilarly, there are many scriptures later on developed, as with the development of this Kali-yuga people became deviated from the Vedic rules and regulations, so many other religions have developed. There is information, but they are not perfect, not full information. But in the Vedas you will find full information.\nJust like this great philosopher, Dr. Urquhart, he asked, \"Who is the witness?\" But in the Vedic scriptures we find that God Himself is witness. Not only that—there are other witnesses. That is stated here. It is said here, the Yamadūtas said: the first witness is the sun, sūrya. How can you conceal yourself from the vigilance of the sun? That you cannot.\nSo sūrya. Then agni—fire is also witness. Sūrya, agni, kham—the sky is witness. How you can hide yourself from the sky? Sūrya, agni, kham, marut—the air is witness. Deva, soma—the soma, the moon, is also witness. You can say, \"All right, the sun is witness. At night I shall steal.\" But the moon is witness—soma.\nSandhyā—sandhyā, the, I mean to say, the junction between day and night. That is called ārāt[?]. In the morning prātaḥ-sandhya, dvitīya-sandhyā, tri-sandhyā. According to Vedic injunction we have got three junctions: one in the morning, praśamaḥ-sandhyā; therefore we have to chant the Gāyatrī mantra tri-sandhyā, thrice—in the morning, at noon and in the evening. Sandhyā ahanī diśaḥ. And all directions—there are ten directions—they are also witness.\nThen [indistinct Sanskrit] This is a quotation from Manu-saṁhitā. But these personalities, they can understand the psychological activities of everyone. Just like in modern science also, they have developed mind study: one can say what you are thinking—practical psychology. There is a science, it was developed. So the same thing in higher order, in higher personalities: they can understand what you are thinking, what you are feeling, what you are willing. They can understand.\nSo ahanī ahasya atrisya kaṁ udakam[?]. Kam means water. These are all witnesses, kam, udakam, and kuḥ pṛthi[?]—pṛthi means the earth. So how can you hide yourself? You have to walk on the earth, you have to use water, the sky is above you, the sun is there, the moon is there and the air is passing. All of them are witnessing what you are doing. Either pious or impious activities—whatever you are doing—that is being witnessed and it is recorded. Just like in..., I think in Los Angeles I have seen, in Beverly quarters, that the radar information?",
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If you take more salt, the foodstuff will be spoiled, and if you take less salt it will be not tasteful. Therefore the conclusion is that you have to take salt as much as you require. Not that because the ocean is there—salt—you want to take the whole salt. That is not possible.\nSimilarly, everything is there for your necessities, eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]. By God's arrangement everything is there in full. Pūrṇam ādāya [Īśo Invocation]: this is full. There is no question of scarcity. It is we, we the miscreants, we have created this anomaly that somewhere we find enough and somewhere there is no grain or no food. That is our creation. This is not God's creation.\nAccording to Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam everything created by God is to be enjoyed by the living entity according to his quota. He cannot take more, cannot take less. But according to God's creation everything is complete—there is no scarcity. My Guru Mahārāja used to say that \"There is no scarcity in this world. Simply one scarcity is there—Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" That is the only scarcity. Otherwise, by God's arrangement everything is in full; there is no scarcity.\nIf people understand this philosophy, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then everything will be adjusted. Nobody will feel scarcity. In former… Formerly, in Bhāgavata we see that people were not distressed even by severe cold or scorching heat. They were so much satisfied, because they were Kṛṣṇa conscious. You cannot adjust things. You are thinking that by our own endeavor, by advancement of our so-called science, we shall be able to bring peace and prosperity in this world. That is not possible. If you violate God's law, then it is not possible.\nsūryo 'gniḥ khaṁ marud devaḥ\nsomaḥ sandhyā ahanī diśaḥ\nkaṁ kuḥ svayaṁ dharma iti\nhy ete daihyasya sākṣiṇaḥ\n[SB 6.1.42]\nNow here it is especially, svayaṁ dharma, the Yamarāja. The question was that how Yamarāja can understand that this man is sinful and this man is not sinful. So in answer to that question the assistants of the Yamarāja replied that Dharma, Dharmarāja, [indistinct] Yama, so he is also appointed.\n[break] ...see how the impious activities are going on, so they have mentioned so many elements who are also witness, and Yamarāja himself, he knows everyone, how he is acting impiously. Therefore after his death he is called for explanation or for punishment.\netair adharmo vijñātaḥ\nsthānaṁ daṇḍasya yujyate\nsarve karmānurodhena\ndaṇḍam arhanti kāriṇaḥ\n[SB 6.1.43]\nSo in this way: etair adharmo vijñāta. This is Yamarāja. He knows how one is acting impiously, so after his death he is awarded a particular place and particular body according to his own work. That is also stated in another chapter, Third Canto in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa jantur dehopapattaye [SB 3.31.1]: after the death, one is awarded a particular type of body. That is… We know that we are changing our bodies every day, every moment, growing. It is known as growing, but actually we are changing our bodies.\nThat is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:\ndehino 'smin yathā dehe\nkaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā\ntathā dehāntara-prāptir\n[Bg. 2.13]\nDehāntara, another; accepting another body. It is a fact. One can understand from this present life that we are accepting a different body every moment. This growing means I am leaving the old body and I am accepting a new body. And after some years we can see this child has grown to youthhood. That means he has changed so many bodies in that course. Similarly, when we find this body no more inhabitable, we have to give up this body and accept another body as we change our dress. That is the description in the Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo that change of body is going on. And how this ultimate change is done? That is daiva-netreṇa. Daiva-netreṇa: under the supervision of higher authorities, daiva. Daiva means higher authorities. As we are suffering ādhidaivika… Some sufferings are ādhibhautika, adhyātmika and ādhidaivika.\nĀdhyātmika is we can perceive that \"I am not feeling well today. My body is suffering\" or \"My mind is suffering.\" That is ādhyātmika. Ādhibhautika, suffering offered by another living entity, that is ādhibhautika. And there are sufferings ādhidaivika, which is beyond our control—just like earthquakes, famine, extreme heat, extreme cold. We cannot adjust; we have to suffer.\nOf course, this is answered in the Bhagavad-gītā: mātrā-sparśās tu kaunteya śītoṣṇa-sukha-duḥkha-dāḥ [Bg. 2.14]. You cannot control that. You have to tolerate: tāṁs titikṣasva bhārata. It is beyond your control. Tāṁs titikṣasva bhārata. So similarly, daiva-netreṇa. According to your work—pious or impious—you will be offered a type of body, daiva-netreṇa, by superior authorities. You cannot say that \"No, sir, I don't want this body.\" You have to accept, daiva-netreṇa.\nSo here it is also, the Yamadūta says, etair adharmo vijñātaḥ [SB 6.1.43]. Adharma... Because we have to execute properly as good citizens. Good citizen means law-abiding citizen. And as soon as you break law, you become criminal, subjected to punishment. This is our experience; we have seen. So why not in God's kingdom? That is atheism. They do not believe in God. They say, \"I am God,\" because if he becomes God then he is not subjected to this punishment for violating the laws.\nThat is going on. Big, big sannyāsīs, they are lecturing, \"Why you are thinking of God? You are God. There is no sin.\" They think, \"Oh, there is no sin. Let me do whatever I like.\" This is going on, this atheistic philosophy. But you may say like that, [chuckles] but the God's law is so strong that even an atheist like Hiraṇyakaśipu, he was also defeated. He made arrangement in such a way that he would never die, but still he had to die.\nYou cannot violate God. That is not… Daivī hy eṣā guṇa-mayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14]. The stringent laws of nature, or God, they are so strong that you cannot violate. It is not possible. As soon as you violate, you will be punished. As soon as you… Just like here, if you kill somebody—murder—you will be killed. Similarly, so many animals which you are killing, you have to be killed so many times. That you do not know, but it is true. Like God's law: life for life.\nThere are many Purāṇa stories like that. One king, he sacrificed so many animals, and when he was entering into the heavenly kingdom, so many swords were hanging. \"What is this?\" \"You have to be killed by this each one of these swords, because you have killed so many animals.\"\nSo God's law is so minute and so clear and acute that nobody can violate.\netair adharmo vijñātaḥ\nsthānaṁ daṇḍasya yujyate\n[SB 6.1.43]\nOne becomes subjected to particular place. Why one is placed in certain nice place and one is placed in most, I mean to say, abominable place? But still, due to forgetfulness… Just like in northern regions the..., always it is covered by ice. What is that, inhabitants? Esk...?",
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They say that God is unjust—the atheists—that He has made one man rich and one man poor. Even these questions are raised by educated circle, \"Why God is so un…, injust?\" But God is not injust. Karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa [SB 3.31.1]. Just like when a person is put into the prison, you cannot say that the government is unkind or injust. No. He has made his place like that. He has committed.\nWhen a judge gives judgment that \"This man should be hanged immediately,\" so it is not judge's business that he discriminates between one man with another, and he rewards one man, that \"All right, you get this decree. You can acquire that one crore of rupees,\" and another man, \"You are condemned; you have to be killed.\" It is not the discrimination of the judge—it is the law. You have put yourself into that law, and you have to suffer or enjoy.\nTherefore it is said here,\netair adharmo vijñātaḥ\nsthānaṁ daṇḍasya yujyate\n[SB 6.1.43]\nBy witnessing your activities you will be awarded a particular place to live, and you will be punished in a particular way. And māyā will help you, that although you are punished, you will think that \"I am very happy.\" This is māyā's āvaraṇātmikā-śakti.\nsarve karmānurodhena\ndaṇḍam arhanti kāriṇaḥ\n[SB 6.1.43]\nNow it is very nice conclusion by the Yamarāja, that everyone who is engaged in fruitive activities, they are punishable. They are punishable. Suppose you are very big businessman, very industrially..., but you are karmī—you want to enjoy the fruit. Karmī means one works very hard and tries to enjoy the fruit, he is a karmī. \nKarmī… Karma-yoga and karma is different. Karmī means one who wants to enjoy for his personal. Suppose you are doing some business and you are earning ten lakhs of rupees every month. So you are thinking that \"I have earned this money with the dint of my labor. I shall enjoy.\" That is karmī; that is karma. So here it is said that,\nsarve karmānurodhena\ndaṇḍam arhanti kāriṇaḥ\n[SB 6.1.43]\nAnyone who is a karmī, he is subjected to all these punishments. Anyone.\nSo Śrīdhara Svāmī says: …sarva, everyone. Sarva means everyone. So, ... It is not that you will be able to act piously always. It is not possible, because guṇa-saṅgosti: you have to work under the influence of the three modes of material nature. Even if you try to remain pious, you will not be at this position. The circumstances is so implicated that you cannot.\nTherefore we see sometimes in this material…, a pious man, he sometimes also commits the greatest type of sins, because the influence of these three guṇas, these qualities, they are acting. Bhagavad-gītā says that yajñārthāt karma anyatra karma-bandhanaḥ [Bg. 3.9]. Simply for satisfaction of the Supreme Personal Yajñā, Viṣṇu, if you act any way you will be bound up by the reaction. You will be bound up by the reaction.\nSo karmīs..., so long we remain a karmī, you are punishable. Therefore according to karma-kāṇḍa-vicāra there is five kinds of yajñas, pañca-yajña, and every householder has to do that every morning. Pañca-sūnā. Pañca-sūnā, sūnā means violence, hiṁsā. Pañca-sūnā. When you take water there are so many small creatures, they are killed.\nWhen we, I mean to say, rub the mortar and pestle for spices, there are so many germs, they are also killed. When you ignite fire there are so many small germs, they are killed. When you walk on the street there are so many small ants you will kill. So even if you think that \"I shall not kill,\" but your activities in this material world will oblige you to kill animal, subjected to punishment.\nTherefore every karmī is punishable. Therefore we have to act for Kṛṣṇa. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Otherwise there is no escape. Daivī hy eṣā guṇa-mayī [Bg. 7.14]: \"You have killed? Oh, you have to suffer.\" So \"I did not know, Sir.\" That doesn't matter. Just like in ordinary law, if you have killed somebody unconsciously or something, you have to be punished.\nSo here it is said,\nsambhavanti hi bhadrāṇi\nviparītāni cānaghāḥ\nkāriṇāṁ guṇa-saṅgo 'sti\ndehavān na hy akarma-kṛt\n[SB 6.1.44]\nBut that means if you say that \"I'll not work,\" oh, that is also not possible. Anyone who has got this body, he has to work. And because you have to work, you have to commit sins. And because you are committing sins, you have to suffer. This is your position.\nTherefore there is no alternative than to become… Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. There is no alternative for you. So this is the śāstric conclusion.\nThank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\nIt is not a sentiment, that \"These people are chanting in Kṛṣṇa consciousness\"; it is obligatory. If you don't become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then you are subject to punishment. That's all.\n[pause] [devotees chanting japa] Yes?",
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"content": "\n Śrīdhara Svāmī?",
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"content": "\n Oh, this question is not good for you. You are student in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and you do not know Śrīdhara Svāmī? The commenter, the commentator of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In our book, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, we have mentioned several times Śrīdhara Svāmī. Śrīdhara Svāmī is one of the ācāryas. He happens to be in the Viṣṇu Svāmī sampradāya, the party, the devotees who are coming from Rudra.\nThere are four sampradāyas, devotees: Brahmā-sampradāya, Lakṣmī-sam…, Śrī-sampradāya, Rudra-sampradāya and Kumāra-sampradāya. They are mahājanas. Svayambhūr nāradaḥ... Svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ [SB 6.3.20]. Svayambhū is Brahmā; from him one disciplic succession is coming. We belong to that disciplic succession. And there is another disciplic succession from Lord Śiva, Śambhu. There is another disciplic succession from Lakṣmī, the goddess of fortune, and another disciplic succession from the Kumāras, cātur-sanā, Kumāras.\nSo these sampradāya are bona fide sampradāyas. Sampradāya-vihīnā ye. If anyone is not within these four sampradāyas, then his spiritual activities are not bona fide. Sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ [Padma Purāṇa]. Niṣphalā—he is simply wasting his time. Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]: you have to follow the original ācāryas, mahājanas, then you shall be on the right path; otherwise you are mislead.\nSo Śrīdhara Svāmī belongs to the Śambhu, from Lord Śiva, the party. The devotees... As there are political parties, they are, all the parties, they are meant for national improvement, similarly, these four parties, although they are called parties, but their aim is how to satisfy Viṣṇu.\n[pause] Hmm.What is that question? Yes.",
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"content": "\n Are any of the other sampradāyas still coming down by disciplic succession?",
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"content": "\n Yes. The Rāmānuja-sampradāya, the Mādhava-sampradāya, the Viṣṇu Svāmī sampradāya, Nimbārka-sampradāya, still they are going on.",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, in the list of witnesses, you said one witness is the ten directions.",
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"content": "\n What are the ten directions?",
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"content": "\n The four sides, four corners—eight—up and down. Ten direction. Where you will go? [laughter] You may think that \"I shall pickpocket in the airplane. I'm going this way; I'm not under the laws.\" No. It is not possible.",
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"content": "\n That's what we mean when we say everything is person.",
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"content": "\n What you said, that everything is person.",
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"content": "\n Everything is person.",
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"content": "\n Everywhere there is some person who watches.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Another was Yamarāja. He is a great personality. He can know everyone. Therefore he has been posted, Yamarāja: \"Bring that man. He committed such-and-such.\"",
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"content": "\n Then he was sent. He was Vidura.",
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"content": "\n Vidura.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. Sometimes he also commits mistakes, because he is a jīva. He did not commit mistakes, but he punished, overpunished. Yes. One ṛṣi, in his childhood he pierced an ant with some thorn, and therefore he was punished later on that false charge. So therefore he retaliated Yamarāja, that,\n\"For my this childhood crime you wanted to punish me in this way. So you are cruel. So I punish you that you have to take birth in a śūdra family.\" And that is Vidura. So sometimes this retaliation takes place. He was not ordinary; he was punished. He could punish Yamarāja. So this error of judgment is possible in everywhere. Everywhere, error of judgment.",
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"content": "\n Śrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n In this case, and just like when all the demigods were ordered to appear in the Yadu dynasty before Kṛṣṇa appeared, one question I had is how is it that..., that they appeared in the Yadu dynasty? Did they give up their bodies—the material bodies that they had—to take birth in the Yadu dynasty?",
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"content": "\n They gave up those bodies?",
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"content": "\n Devotee, when he appears, just like God appears, similarly devotee also appears. He is not under the condition of the material laws, although he appears. But others see that he has appeared like ordinary man.",
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"content": "\nThere are also some stories in Kṛṣṇa book. I forget the name of the demigod, but one snake, Kṛṣṇa put His foot on his head, and the demigod resumed his body. Just like Nālakuvera and Maṇigrīva, they took the bodies of trees. They gave up the bodies…",
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"content": "\n Yes. They were punished.",
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"content": "\n Then they took on those bodies again, the same bodies. Is that so?",
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"content": "\n Yes. But that means punishment is there even in the higher planets where demigods are there, what to speak of these lower planets. The only safest way is chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Yes.",
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"content": "\nIf the demigods leave their posts at that time to appear here, then how do the functions of the universe go on while they are appearing here?",
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"content": "\n How our function is going on in USA? You are here. You are the president of which center?",
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"content": "\n Oh, Santa Barbara.",
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"content": "\n Then how Santa Barbara is going on?",
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"content": "\n Yes. There is replaced. [laughter] There is a Bengali word: raja muli raja sharma[?]. Just like when Gandhi and Nehru was living, they were always thinking that \"Without me, whole India will be spoiled.\" They never tried to retire, you see, unless they were killed. You see? This is māyā. Everyone thinks, \"Oh, without me everything will be spoiled.\" [laughter]\nSo many kings and Nehrus and Gandhis came and gone, and everything is going on. And it will go on. Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ: everything is being done by the nature's laws. Only the rascals and fools, they think, \"I am this [indistinct]. I am doing this. Without me everything will be spoiled.\" This is rascaldom.\nprakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni\nguṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ\nahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā...\n[Bg. 3.27]\nThose who are trying to be rascals, under the false ego they think, \"Without me, everything is spoiled.\" That is māyā.\nTherefore we do not want to retire from family life. But according to Vedic rituals, as soon as fifty years you have passed, you must leave. There is no question of whether your all business is finished or not—you must leave. The remainder portion of life should be completely engaged in God's service; otherwise you spoil your life. Therefore there are four divisions: brahmācārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. Nobody can remain gṛhastha for all the life. That is Vedic arrangement. Gṛhastha life is a concession for sense gratification, that's all.\nOtherwise, just like the Kumāras: from the very birth they remained brahmācārī. Their father, Brahmā, ordered that \"You create. We want population.\" They refused: \"My dear father, we are not going to marry. We shall remain brahmācārī.\" Brahmā became angry, and his eyes became red, and therefore Lord Śiva came out—Rudra—and he created thousands of demons. Brahmā said, \"Please stop your creation. No more.\" [chuckles]\nSo these things are going on. [pause] So you can distribute this prasāda, little.\n[devotees chanting japa]\n[break] …Partition. They have got their own ideas, and people suffer. The Partition was..., this is due to politicians, maybe Nehru, Gandhi or Jinnah—but the sufferings are to the common man. You see? I have seen in Calcutta in 1947, I think, there was riots. So many innocent people were killed. So many, unnecessarily killed. And everywhere—not only there. In Europe, America also, I have got so many historical evidences that the politicians, they fight on their ideological platform, and the common people suffer.\nJust like in our country the politicians, they are simply engaged, \"How to occupy the post?\" So where is the time for them to think of the poor people, how they will be happy? They are simply thinking, \"How I shall occupy that post? How shall I occupy that post?\" Naturally, where is the time for them for thinking that \"How these poor people will be saved?\"\nEveryone who comes to the higher post tries to accumulate some money. This is going on. And in Bhagavata it is said, mlecchā rājanya-rūpiṇaḥ bhakṣayiṣyanti prajās te [SB 12.1.40]. Actually they are not kṣatriyas. This ruling is entrusted to the trained-up kṣatriyas, but now at this present moment the mlecchas—mlecchas means those who are not following strictly the Vedic principles—they will take possession of the political seats, and in the form of government men they will simply devour the citizens, that's all.\nThis is the symptoms of Kali-yuga as stated in the Bhāgavatam: mlecchā raja…, ācchinna-dāra-draviṇā gacchanti giri-kānanam [SB 12.2.9]. The people will be so much harassed by taxation and political embezzlement that they will give up their homes and go to the forests and mountains. Actually this has happened, this Pakistan-Hindustan division. So many people were unnecessarily harassed. They left their homes—they were so much embarrassed. Still in Calcutta you will find so many people are lying on the station from East Bengal—they have no home. They have left their home. Why this? This is due to these politicians. Why they agreed for partition? It is a mistake of the politicians.\nEverywhere you will find—in Europe also—three miles after, one state. You have to take visa, permit. Why? Human beings, they are free, and formerly we get history from China, from other countries—they were coming in India; Indian people also going. There are evidences. There was no such passport and visa. And now, because the people are advancing the politics… What is that state, Luxemburg? It is a city, and it has become a state. If you want to enter that Luxemburg, you have to take visa, permit. So then house to house there will be state, later on.",
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"content": "\nThere is one state in Italy that is a house.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Just see. [laughter]",
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"content": "\nYou also killed thousands of men during this go-[indistinct] agitation. Did you not? Your government. Therefore I say the politicians, not this or that.",
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"content": "\n You killed, but you killed very mildly, that's all. You killed very mildly. Do you know that? When there was this cow protection agitation, so many people were killed in Delhi?",
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"content": "\n So yes, that's a fact. There are so many rascals. [laughter] Yes, one gentleman, he is one statistics department, one Mr. Bar—he was coming to me—he said, \"I am speaking this.\" It was sometime in 1950 or '51. He went to the village to take statistics. So the villagers enquired from him, \"Bābājī, [Hindi].\" They are thinking of voting again for the Englishmen so that they may come and rule over. They were so much disgusted, in 1950.\nSo these elements are there. Therefore the only panacea is that everyone should become Kṛṣṇa conscious, and everything will be nice. Otherwise it is not possible. Of course, that is not possible also. [laughter] Hah?",
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"content": "\n So try as much as possible to turn people Kṛṣṇa conscious, then there will be happiness. Ekaś candras tamo hanti na ca tara sahasrasaḥ [Cāṇakya Paṇḍita]: \"If you can create one moon, it is better than millions of stars.\" You see? So try to create at least one Kṛṣṇa conscious person, then there is hope of at least peace, relief, personally. But he can do many things, both, a Kṛṣṇa conscious person.\n[pause] So let us disperse. [break]",
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"content": "\n May I ask another question, Śrīla Prabhupāda? “Is a guru essential for one to enter the spiritual path and attain the goal, and how does one recognize one’s guru?”\n Yes, a guru is necessary. In the Bhagavad-gītā, when Kṛṣṇa and Arjuna were talking as friends, there was no conclusion. So Arjuna decided to accept Kṛṣṇa as his guru. Find this verse in Bhagavad-gītā: kārpaṇya-doṣopahata svabhāvaḥ.",
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"content": "\n\nkārpaṇya-doṣopahata svabhāvaḥ\npṛcchāmi tvaṁ dharma-sammūḍha-cetāḥ\nyac chreyaḥ syān niścitaṁ brūhi tan me\nśiṣyas te ’haṁ śādhi māṁ tvāṁ prapannam\n“[Arjuna said:] Now I am confused about my duty and have lost all composure because of miserly weakness. In this condition I am asking You to tell me for certain what is best for me. Now I am Your disciple, and a soul surrendered unto You. Please instruct me.” ",
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"content": "\n Yes. So a guru is necessary. Like Arjuna, everyone is perplexed about his best course of action. Nobody can decide by himself. Even a physician – when he is sick he does not devise his own treatment. He calls for another physician, because his brain is not in order. How can he prescribe the right medicine for himself?\nSimilarly, when we are perplexed and cannot find any solution, at that time the guru is required. It is therefore essential for everyone to surrender to a guru, since in our present existence we are all perplexed. Arjuna is representing the perplexed position of the materialistic person. So under the circumstances, a guru is required to give us real direction.\nNow, Arjuna selected Kṛṣṇa as his guru. He did not go to anyone else, because he knew, “I can’t find any other means to pacify me. You are the only one.” The purport is that like Arjuna, we should also accept Kṛṣṇa as the guru who can intruct us in how to get relief from our perplexed position. So Kṛṣṇa is the guru not only for Arjuna, but for everyone.\nIf we take instruction from Kṛṣṇa and abide by that instruction, then our life is successful. Conveying that fact is our mission. This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement teaches, “Accept Kṛṣṇa as your guru. Don’t divert your attention.” We don’t say, “I am Kṛṣṇa; follow my order.” We never say that. We simply ask people, “Please abide by the order of Kṛṣṇa.” Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja, and we say the same thing: “Give up all other ideas of so-called dharma and surrender to Kṛṣṇa.” The same thing. we don’t say of ourselves, “I am the authority.” No, we say, “Kṛṣṇa is the authority, and you should surrender to His instruction and try to understand Him.” This is the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.\nNow, one may say, “Kṛṣṇa is no longer present, so how can I surrender to Him?” Kṛṣṇa is no longer present? How can you say that? Kṛṣṇa’s instruction is there – Bhagavad-gītā. How can you say that Kṛṣṇa is not present? Kṛṣṇa, being absolute, is not different from His words. The words of Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa Himself – they are the same. That is the meaning of Absolute Truth.\nIn the relative world, the word water and the substance water are different. When I am thirsty, if I simply chant “Water, water, water,” my thirst will not be satisfied. I require the real water. That is the nature of the relative world and relative consciousness. But in the spiritual world or spiritual consciousness, the name is the same as the thing that is named. For instance, we are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. If Kṛṣṇa were different from the chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa, then how could we be satisfied chanting the whole day and night? This is the proof. An ordinary name – if you chant “Mr. John, Mr. John,” after chanting three times you’ll cease. But this Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra – if you go on chanting twenty-four hours a day, you’ll never become tired. This is the spiritual nature of the Absolute Truth. This is practical. Anyone can perceive it.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is present through His words and through His representative. Therefore we advise everyone to accept Kṛṣṇa’s instructions in Bhagavad-gītā and to surrender to His bona fide representative. You have to accept a guru, so why go to a pseudo guru who will mislead you? Why not take instructions from a real guru? Now you are in doubt about whether a guru is needed. Yes, a guru is needed, but you have to go to a real guru. That is the instruction given by Kṛṣṇa in the Bhagavad-gītā. Just find this\ntad viddhi praṇipātena\nparipraśnena sevayā\nupadekṣyanti tad-jñānaṁ\njñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ",
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"content": "\n “Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.” [Bhagavad-gītā 4.34]",
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"content": "\n So this is the real guru – one who has seen the truth, just as Arjuna has seen Kṛṣṇa. Arjuna heard Kṛṣṇa’s instructions and said, “You are the Absolute Truth.” Now, if you take the instruction of Arjuna, then you will understand the Absolute Truth. So what is the instruction of Arjuna? Find out in the tenth chapter.",
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"content": "\n\narjuna uvāca\nparaṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma\npavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān\npuruṣaṁ śāśvataṁ divyam\nādi-devam ajaṁ vibhum\n“Arjuna said, ’You are the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the ultimate abode, the purest, the Absolute Truth. You are the eternal, transcendental, original person, the unborn, the greatest.’” [Bhagavad-gītā 10.12]",
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That is the significance, practical. You will feel more and more enthusiastic to chant. Our boys and girls do that. In the beginning, of course, you may not understand; but you take to this practice of chanting, you'll feel immediately transcendental pleasure.\nI saw, although some of you could not join us in dancing and chanting, but you were, from your seat, you were trying to dance. That I have seen. It is practical. We have seen even children, they immediately take to this dancing and chanting.\nSo it is not very difficult—the most easy process of transcendental realization. We don't ask you to press your nose, or put your head downwards, or make some gymnastic. No. In whatever condition you are, it doesn't matter; you simply chant these sixteen names. There is no secrecy.\nWe are not charging any fees, that \"You pay me so many dollars, I'll give you a secret mantra, and you chan...\" No. It is open. It is distributed freely. Simply you have to take it. That's all. The result will be, oh, great. Make an experiment. You have no loss. You haven't got to pay anything. But if you take this, the result will be very, very great, which has no comparison in this world. That is practical.\nSo result is... That is stated by Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, who inaugurated this movement. You see this picture, five learned brāhmaṇas. In the center there is one picture who is Lord Caitanya. He started this movement when He was only seventeen years old, a boy; a boy only—a schoolboy.\nHe was student, but He introduced this movement five hundred years ago, and some of the elderly men, as you see, one elderly man with beard, He also helped Him, and the others... Actually this movement was originally started by young boys. Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, Nityānanda Prabhu and Advaita Prabhu, They started. And there was a great agitation against Them by the brāhmaṇas, priestly brāhmaṇas, at that time.\nSo Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu picked up these sixteen words from Vedic literature. It is not that He manufactured something. No. In the Vedic way there is no question of manufacturing something, religious process. No. Just like you cannot manufacture law. In your state, privately, you cannot manufacture law.\nThe law is given by the state. Similarly, any process, any process for self-realization, you cannot manufacture. That is to be taken directly from God and His representative. That is the verdict of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam: dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19].\n[Real religious principles are enacted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Although fully situated in the mode of goodness, even the great ṛṣis who occupy the topmost planets cannot ascertain the real religious principles, nor can the demigods or the leaders of Siddhaloka, to say nothing of the asuras, ordinary human beings, Vidyādharas and Cāraṇas.]\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā also it is stated,\nyadā yadā hi dharmasya\nglānir bhavati...\nabhyutthānam adharmasya\ntadātmānaṁ sṛjāmy aham\n[Bg. 4.7]\n[Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion-at that time I descend Myself.]\n\"Whenever there is discrepancies in the religious principle, then,\" the Lord says that \"I appear to establish the real purpose of religiosity.\" That is going on. So according to our Vedic principle, there is no question of manufacturing a new type of religion. No. So Lord Caitanya introduced this Hare Kṛṣṇa movement; not that He manufactured something. No.\nIt is stated in the Agni Purāṇa\n—\nperhaps you have heard. There are eighteen purāṇas. Out of that, one Purāṇa is called Agni Purāṇa, and another Purāṇa is called Brahma-vaivarta Purāṇa. So in these two purāṇas, and many other purāṇas also, this Hare Kṛṣṇa movement is there, that in this age...\n\"In this age\" means this Age of Kali, where everything is based on disagreement and dissension. Nobody will agree with others' proposal. Everyone is thinking that \"I am independent. I can think in my own way. I can have my own process of self-realization.\" So many. Therefore it is recommended in this age that for self-realization these mantras, sixteen mantra, should be chanted—faithfully.\nIt is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and other Vedic literatures.... It is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam as follows: kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇuṁ tretāyāṁ yajato makhaiḥ [SB 12.3.52].\n[Whatever result was obtained in Satya-yuga by meditating on Viṣṇu, in Tretā-yuga by performing sacrifices, and in Dvāpara-yuga by serving the Lord's lotus feet can be obtained in Kali-yuga simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra.]\nIn the Golden Age, when everyone was pious, at that time, meditation was recommendation. Meditation. Kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇum: meditation on Viṣṇu. Tretāyāṁ yajato makhaiḥ. In the next age, the recommendation was to perform great sacrifices. And the next age was recommended for temple worship, or church worship, or mosque worship.\nKṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇuṁ tretāyāṁ yajato makhaiḥ, dvāpare paricaryāyām. Dvapar... Next age, just the age about five thousand years ago, the age was called Dvāpara-yuga. At that time temple worship was very gorgeous and very successful.\nNow, in this age, Kali-yuga, which has begun about five thousand years past, in this age, it is recommended, kalau tad dhari-kīrtanāt: you can realize yourself simply by chanting this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. And if you take to this simple process, result will be that ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nThe rubbish thing which has gathered in your heart will be cleansed. And what is that rubbish thing? That rubbish thing is also described, that yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke [SB 10.84.13].\n[One who identifies his self as the inert body composed of mucus, bile and air, who assumes his wife and family are permanently his own, who thinks an earthen image or the land of his birth is worshipable, or who sees a place of pilgrimage as merely the water there, but who never identifies himself with, feels kinship with, worships or even visits those who are wise in spiritual truth—such a person is no better than a cow or an ass.]\nAnyone... These are the description of rubbish things. Anyone who is thinking this body, this bundle of skin and bones, is the self... This skin and, I mean to say, blood and intestines and stools and urine—this body means combination of all these nice things: skin, bone... Bone, when you touch, according to our Hindu scripture, one has to take bath. So that bone is within you. Blood is also sometimes accepted as contagious. So this is not the self. Everyone is thinking that \"I am this body.\" This is rubbish thing.\nSo if you chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa, then you will very easily understand that you are not this body; you are spirit soul, ahaṁ brahmāsmi: \"I am Brahman.\" Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam. That is the first installment, you'll understand. For self-realization, there are so many different processes. There are mystic yogīs. There are philosophical speculators. There are karmīs. There are jñānīs. And... But this process, immediately you will realize that you are not this body. You are not matter; you are spirit soul. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nAnd as soon as you understand that you are not this body, you are not matter, that you are spirit soul, then immediately you become joyful. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, and actually it is a fact. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati [Bg. 18.54].\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nAs soon as one becomes elevated to the platform of spiritual realization, self-realization, immediately he will be free from all anxieties. Material life means full of anxieties. However great you may be, you are always full of anxieties. But if you come to the platform of spiritual realization, immediately you become free from anxieties. This is the test.\nSimply by advertising that you have elevated to the highest platform stage by taking some drugs or medicine or this way or that way... No. The result will be practical, that you will immediately feel joyful. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati. And what is the symptom of joyous life? No more hankering, no more lamenting.\nSo long we are in the material stage, we have got two kinds of business: we are hankering after something which we do not possess, and we are lamenting after something we had which we have lost. So as soon as you come to the spiritual platform, then you will understand that \"I do not belong to this material world. So what is my gain and what is my loss? I do not belong to this platform at all.\"\nSuppose we are sitting in this room. Because I do not belong to this room, if there is some loss in this room or gain in this room, we are not interested. We are not interested. Similarly, this is self-realization. So if you chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, your self-realization will be possible on the second stage.\nFirst stage: you'll realize that you are not matter but you are spirit soul, Brahman; and the second stage is, ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. Bhava-mahā-dāvāgni means these material anxieties. It is compared with forest fire. Forest fire means in this material world everyone wants to be happy. That is a fact. Everyone. But some..., by some cause or by some way, there is a fire just like forest fire. Nobody's interested to go in the forest and set fire there, but there is fire, automatically.\nSimilarly, this world... Nobody wants war, nobody wants famine, nobody wants earthquake, nobody wants disease, nobody wants death, but these things happening. It will happen. Even if you do not want, you cannot, I mean to say, combat all these, I mean to say, attacks of the material nature. That is the way of material nature. Therefore self-realization is the opportunity of this human form of life.\nThis human form of life... According to... Most of you..., many of you may be students of anthropology, of Darwin's theory, that the life is evolving. This anthropology long, long years was stated in the Padma Purāṇa. There it is, it is stated, aśītiṁ caturaś caiva bhramadbhiḥ jīva-jātiṣu. \n[One attains the human form of life after transmigrating through 8,400,000 species by the process of gradual evolution. That human life is spoiled for those conceited fools who do not take shelter of the lotus feet of Govinda.]\nBhramadbhiḥ jīva-jā... These very words are there. These are Sanskrit words. What is that? Aśītiṁ caturaś caiva...\n[break] ...life and you have got this human form of life, civilized form of life. This life has to be properly utilized. That is the whole purpose of Vedic literature. It is not to be spoiled like cats and dogs simply for sense gratification. One has to control the sense life or animal life and take to tapa. This very word is used there. Tapa means austerity, penance.\nYou have read in the Indian history that there were many, many great sages, even kings; they left everything, they went to the forest for practicing austerity and penances. Recent, very recently... Every one of you know it that Lord Buddha... He was also Indian. He was also a kṣatriya, a prince, but he left everything and he went to the forest for self-realization.\nSo the self-realization process is to be achieved by this human form of life. That is... Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is indicating everyone. We are teaching everyone that \"Don't spoil your this rare human form of life simply by engaging yourself in the matter of sense gratification.\"\nBecause sense gratification, ample or sufficient sense gratification opportunity, you had even in the hog's life. Because we have migrated, we have evolved from hog's life also. Sometimes we had been a hog or a dog or something like that. Now we have come to this stage of life, this life should not be spoiled like the cats, dogs and hogs. But we should have some restraint and realize ourself.\nThis possibility is there simply by chanting these sixteen words: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. This is possible. This is practical. Since I came to your country in 1965... Of course, for one year I was traveling here and there, but in 1966 I established first my class in New York at 26 Second Avenue. Then there are many branches now. We have got about sixteen branches all over your country. And these students, they are chanting, and they have taken to the austerity.\nI don't accept any cheap student or cheap disciple. My first condition is that there is no illicit sex life, there is no intoxication, there is no gambling and there is no meat-eating. These four principles are there, but all my students in these twenty..., about sixteen centers—one in London, one in Germany—but you will be surprised that all these boys and girls, they have taken to this austerity very seriously. They're not drinking even tea or smoking a cigarette.\nSo spiritual life does not mean a whimsical life. It is, first of all, basic principle is that building character. In the Bhagavad-gītā you will find that when Arjuna is accepting Lord Kṛṣṇa, he is saying that paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān [Bg. 10.12]\n[Arjuna said: You are the Supreme Brahman, the ultimate, the supreme abode and purifier, the Absolute Truth and the eternal divine person. You are the primal God, transcendental and original, and You are the unborn and all-pervading beauty. All the great sages such as Nārada, Asita, Devala, and Vyāsa proclaim this of You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me.]\n\"My dear Lord, Kṛṣṇa, You are the most purest.\" Purest. Most pure. Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma: \"You are the Supreme Lord. You are pure.\" So idea is that if you want to have spiritual life, you have also become..., to become pure. Without being pure... That pureness...\nThis evolution means gradual process of purifying process. You are not... You are distinct from cats and dogs means your body is purified than the body of the cats and dogs. So purification required. The first principle of purification are these four regulative principles.\nSo they have taken to this very easily. Some of them, students, they were, six months ago, they were not my students, but by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa they have seriously taken to these principles of austerities. That is not... That is stated by Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, that ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nAs soon as you come to the understanding that \"I am not this ma... I am not matter; I am spirit soul,\" immediately this process will follow, that you will have no unnecessary material demands.\nSmoking is not a necessary thing, but you have learned it by society or by company. So it is not necessary. It is unnecessary. Similarly, gambling is also unnecessary. Simply... Similarly, illicit sex life is also unnecessary. Oh, all these things are unnecessary, but we have gathered by some association by company.\nSimilarly, you can give it up also, by association. So ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nir... And unless you purify yourself, you cannot understand yourself or the position of God. It is stated, all these, in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nevaṁ prasanna-manaso\nbhagavad-bhakti-yogataḥ\nbhagavat-tattva-vijñānaṁ\nmukta-saṅgasya jāyate\n[SB 1.2.20]\n[Thus established in the mode of unalloyed goodness, the man whose mind has been enlivened by contact with devotional service to the Lord gains positive scientific knowledge of the Personality of Godhead in the stage of liberation from all material association.]\nPrasanna-manaso. You have to first of all place yourself in a platform which is full..., free of all anxiety. Evaṁ prasanna-manaso. Prasanna means full of joy, full of life. Evaṁ prasann... That can be achieved simply by practicing this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, devotional service to the Lord.\nevaṁ prasanna-manaso\nbhagavad-bhakti-yogataḥ\nbhagavat-tattva-vijñānam...\n[SB 1.2.20]\nThis science of God is not a petty thing. You see? We are going to understand the supreme cause of everything. What is God? God means the Supreme, the ultimate cause, or sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam [Bs. 5.1].\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nThat is stated in the Brahma-saṁhitā. Just like you are searching out what is the cause of this thing, what is this cause of this thing, this thing... Go on searching. When you come to the ultimate cause, that is God.\nThat is explained in the, I mean to say, Vedānta-sūtra. The Vedānta-sūtra, the first code is athāto brahma jijñāsā: \"Now let us discuss about the Supreme Absolute Truth.\" And immediately the answer is... What is Brahman? Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]\n[O my Lord, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmājī, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth.]\n\"The ultimate source of everything.\" A simple word. You have to find out the ultimate source of everything, the cause of all causes. Then you have found out God. Don't accept a nonsense as God. Find out the cause of God, ultimate cause, where there is no more cause. He is the ultimate cause. That is stated in Brahma-saṁhitā and all Vedic literature. Just like in the Brahma-saṁhitā it is stated,\nīśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ\nsac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ\nanādir ādir govindaḥ\nsarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam\n[Bs. 5.1]\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nThis sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam, cause of all causes.\nOf course, it is not possible to explain all the science of God immediately, within half an hour or fifteen minutes. It is not possible. But our request is that don't spoil your human form of life. You are all young boys and girls. You have got ample time. I am old man. I will die, say, within five or ten years, but you'll live at least for sixty, seventy, eighty years. Culture. Cultivate this knowledge, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and you'll be happy. Your life will be successful. That is all.\nAnd the method is simple: chant Hare Kṛṣṇa: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare... If you simply chant, that is sufficient for your self-realization. But if you want to study this philosophy, or the science of God, through your philosophy and argument, logic, we have got enough stock of books. We have got sixty volumes of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Already we have published five volumes. We have got Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. We have got Teachings of Lord Caitanya. We are publishing Back to Godhead paper.\nSo if you want to understand this philosophy by your learning, by your academic career, we have got sufficient stock to supply you. Sufficient stock. Don't think that we are all sentimentalists, simply dancing. No. There is a background. There is a background. If you want... You are all educated boys and girls. Try to understand this philosophy of Kṛṣṇa consciousness; your life will be successful. That is our aim.\nI'll not take much of your time. Now, if you have got anything to ask from me, I shall reply for fifteen minutes. Then we shall again begin our chanting, and I shall request you that you also join with our chanting. That is our request. Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\n[pause] You have got any question?\n[pause] All right. Thank you. There is no question. Then chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n \"He who thinks that the living entity is the slayer or that the entity is slain does not understand. One who is in knowledge knows that the self slays not nor is slain.\" [Bg. 2.19]\n[He who thinks that the living entity is the slayer or that he is slain, does not understand. One who is in knowledge knows that the self slays not nor is slain.]\nPurport: \"When an embodied being is hurt by fatal weapons, it is to be known that the living entity within the body is not killed. The spirit soul is so small that it is impossible to kill him by any material weapon. Nor is the living entity killable in any case, because of his spiritual constitution.\nWhat is killed or is supposed to be killed is the body only. This, however, does not at all encourage killing of the body. The Vedic injunction is mā hiṁsyāt sarvā bhūtāni [Bg. 9.4]:\n[By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.]\nNever commit offenses of violence to anyone. The understanding that a living entity is not killed does not encourage animal slaughter. Killing the body of anyone without authority is abominable, and it is punishable by the law of the state as well as by the law of the Lord.\"",
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"content": "\n\"Arjuna, however, is being engaged in killing for the principle of religion, and not whimsically.\"",
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"content": "\n This is verse twenty: \"For the soul there is never birth or death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal and ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not...\"",
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"content": "\n These are the statements of Kṛṣṇa. Now the constitution of the soul... So far materialists are concerned, they cannot even find out where is the soul. Therefore there are so many theories. Actually, they cannot find out where the soul is situated because material senses cannot approach.\nThe measurement of the soul is stated in the Vedic literature as one ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair. So there is no possibility of understanding what is soul by material scientist. The only process is to take it from higher authorities like Kṛṣṇa.\nKṛṣṇa here gives definition of the soul. So we have to accept it. And not blindly accept it, but try to understand as far as possible with your arguments and reason. But this is the actual fact. Fact. What is that statement? The soul, definition of soul, Kṛṣṇa is giving?",
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"content": "\n\"Only the material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is subject to destruction.\" [Bg. 2.18]\n[Only the material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is subject to destruction; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata.]\n\"He who thinks that the living entity is the slayer or that the entity is slain does not understand. One who is in knowledge knows that the self slays not nor is slain.\" [Bg. 2.19]\n[He who thinks that the living entity is the slayer or that he is slain, does not understand. One who is in knowledge knows that the self slays not nor is slain.]",
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"content": "\nTwenty: \"For the soul there is never birth or death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain [Bg. 2.20].\"",
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"content": "\nYes. Because eternal, therefore how it can be slain? So soul is never slain. The body is slain. Then?",
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"content": "\n Twenty-one: \"O Pārtha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, unborn, eternal and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill [Bg. 2.21]?\"\nPurport: \"Everything has its utility, and a man who is situated in complete knowledge knows how and where to apply a thing for its proper utility. Similarly, violence also has its use, and how to apply violence rests with the person in knowledge. Although the Justice of the Peace awards capital punishment to a person condemned for murder, the Justice of the Peace cannot be blamed because he orders violence to another according to the codes of justice. In the Manu-saṁhitā...\"",
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"content": "\n Manu-saṁhitā, yes.",
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"content": "\n \"...the law book for mankind, it is supported that a murderer should be condemned to death so that in his next life he will not have to suffer for the great sin he has committed. Therefore the king's punishment of hanging a murderer is actually beneficial.\n\"Similarly, when Kṛṣṇa orders fighting, it must be concluded that violence is for the supreme justice, and as such, Arjuna should follow the instruction, knowing well that such violence committed in the act of fighting for justice is not at all violence. Because at any rate, the man, or rather the soul, cannot be killed.\n\"For the administration of justice, so-called violence is permitted. A surgical operation is not meant to kill the patient, but is for his cure. Therefore the fighting to be executed by Arjuna under the instruction of Kṛṣṇa is with full knowledge, and so there is no possibility of sinful reaction.\"",
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"content": "\n This is the distinction between violence and nonviolence. People are very much advocate of nonviolence, but they are committing, according to their estimation, they are committing every moment violence. But from higher standard there is practically no violence, and the things which apparently appear to be violence, if it is properly executed...\nJust like under the order of high court judge, one body is being executed. So that is not violence. A justice of higher order is not meant for committing violence. It is justice. Similarly, when, under the direction of the supreme justice, Kṛṣṇa, anything is done, apparently although it appears violence, it is not violence; it is justice. This is to be understood.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Twenty-two: \"As a person puts on a new garment, giving up old ones, similarly the soul accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless one [Bg. 2.22].\" Purport...",
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"content": "\n In a different way, in varied ways, Kṛṣṇa is trying to make us understand the constitutional position of the soul. Yes.",
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"content": "\n \"Change of body by the atomic individual soul is an accepted fact. Even some of the modern scientists who do not believe in the existence of the soul but at the same time cannot explain the source of energy from the heart, they have to accept continuous changes of body which appear from childhood to boyhood and from boyhood to youth and again from youth to old age. From old age the change is transferred to another body. This has already been explained in the previous verse.\n\"Transference of the atomic individual soul to another body is also made possible by the grace of the Supersoul. The Supersoul fulfills the desire of the soul as one friend fulfills the desire of another. The Vedas, such as the Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad, as well as the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad...\"",
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"content": "\n Śvetāśvatara.",
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"content": "\n \"...confirm this concept of two kinds of souls by comparing them to two friendly birds sitting on the same tree. One of the birds, the individual atomic soul, is eating the fruit of the tree, and the other bird is simply watching his friend.\n\"Of these two birds, although they are the same in quality, one is captivated by the fruits of the material tree, while the other is simply witnessing his activity. Kṛṣṇa is the witnessing bird and Arjuna is the eating bird. Although they are friends, one is still the master and the other is the servant.\"",
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"content": "\n That is the eternal relationship. These are confirmed in Vedic literature, just like Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad, Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad. The system is whatever is mentioned in the Vedas, that is authoritatively accepted. That is the Vedic understanding. If there is some evidence in the Vedas... Just like in law court, if there is some section in the law book, then the lawyers, the judge, accept it: \"Yes, it is like this.\"\nSimilarly knowledge. Vedas means knowledge. So perfect knowledge is there. Therefore if the evidence is there in the statement of Vedas, that is the proof. Śabda-pramāṇa. There are three kinds of evidences. Pratyakṣa, direct sense perception; and śabda-pramāṇa, evidence from the Vedic statement; and anumāna, aitihya, historical or hypothesis.\nSo out of all evidences, the evidence which is called..., derived from Vedic statement, that is accepted as most authoritative. Therefore Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad and Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad, they are Vedas. There is statement that two birds are sitting on the same tree. The tree is compared..., the body is compared with the tree. And two birds, namely the Supersoul, Kṛṣṇa, and the living entity, individual soul, they are sitting together. And one is eating the fruit of the tree and the other is simply witnessing. This is our position.\nThe other friendly bird, Kṛṣṇa, or Supersoul, is giving us opportunity to act with this body as I like. He's giving us opportunity. Kṣetra-jña. I am the proprietor of this body. I have been allowed to utilize this body as I like. And the facility is given by the Supersoul. So if I like, I can utilize this body for higher grade of life. Kṛṣṇa will give us all facilities. And if I like, I can utilize this body for lower grade of life. Kṛṣṇa will give us facilities.\nSo He's always friendly. And He gives us also friendly advice, that \"Don't act independently. Just act in Kṛṣṇa consciousness under Me. Then you'll be happy.\" That is His actual instruction. But the living entity does not care for the instruction of the Supersoul. He wants to act independently, and he has to suffer the consequence.\nThat is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā in the Fourth Chapter. Yajñārthāt karmaṇo 'nyatra loko 'yaṁ karma-bandhanaḥ [Bg. 3.9].\n[Work done as a sacrifice for Viṣṇu has to be performed, otherwise work binds one to this material world. Therefore, O son of Kuntī, perform your prescribed duties for His satisfaction, and in that way you will always remain unattached and free from bondage.]\nYajña means Viṣṇu or Kṛṣṇa. Whatever you do, or what... Not whatever you do; you have to do only for Kṛṣṇa. Yajñārthe karma. Whatever you act. Never mind. Whatever you do. But you have to act for Kṛṣṇa. Yajñārthe karma anyatra. Otherwise, karma-bandhanaḥ, you'll be bound up by the reaction.\nThe same example: just a person acting on behalf of some superior authority, government, personally he has no responsibility, because he is acting on behalf of the supreme authority. Just like a manager or agent, attorney. Just like we signed one lease agreement.\nThat Mr. Brown, he is acting as attorney on behalf of the landlord. So he has no responsibility. He is acting in landlord capacity or landlord consciousness. He is trying to save the interest of the landlord as far as possible. But if there is any mistake, the landlord will suffer or gain; he has nothing to do.\nSimilarly, if we work in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, if there is something wrong... Because we can act two ways: wrongly or rightly. That's all. If we do rightly, it is all right. Even if we don't do it rightly, wrongly, still, it is right, because the cause is the Supreme. Yajñārthāt karmaṇo 'nyatra loko 'yaṁ karma-bandhanaḥ [Bg. 3.9].\n[Work done as a sacrifice for Viṣṇu has to be performed, otherwise work binds one to this material world. Therefore, O son of Kuntī, perform your prescribed duties for His satisfaction, and in that way you will always remain unattached and free from bondage.]\nThe best, safest way of acting is to act in Kṛṣṇa consciousness or under the order of Kṛṣṇa. Or if somebody says, \"Where is Kṛṣṇa?\" No. Kṛṣṇa is there. Just like Bhagavad-gītā is there, and the explanation of Bhagavad-gītā by the representative of Kṛṣṇa is there. So Kṛṣṇa, being absolute, His representative, His words are nondifferent from Him.\nWe should not think that \"Kṛṣṇa is not in my presence.\" As soon as Bhagavad-gītā is there, and as soon as we understand Bhagavad-gītā as it is, that means we are hearing directly Kṛṣṇa. So if we do according to the instruction of Kṛṣṇa, as Arjuna did, then there is no reaction. We are free. Yajñārthāt karmaṇo 'nyatra.\nThen? You go on.",
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"content": "\n \"Although they are friends, one is still the master, the other is the servant. Forgetfulness of this...\"",
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"content": "\n This friend is giving us facility. Kṛṣṇa is always our friend, natural friend. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānām [Bg. 5.29]. \n[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]\nSuhṛdam means suhṛt. There are different kinds of friend, but here... In Sanskrit, for different kinds of friend, there are different names. Just like one friend is called bandhu, one is called mitra, one friend is called suhṛt. There are differences. Therefore they are different words. Just like in English language there is only one \"friend,\" one word \"friend.\" But in Sanskrit, because it is perfect language, friend—what kind of friend.\nSo Kṛṣṇa says that \"I am suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānām.\" Suhṛt, suhṛt means He's such a friend... Just like you have got a friend, sincerely he wants how you shall be happy. Just like your mother. Mother is also friend. Or wife, devoted wife, she is also friend. So mother, wife or any such relative, or father. Or there are many person in our ordinary relationship. So they want actually that \"My this friend be happy.\" That is real friend, suhṛt. And mitra, social friendship; bandhu, official friendship. But suhṛt, suhṛt means one who actually desires good of his friend, \"sincere friend\" which you describe in English.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is suhṛt. He's always expecting my good: how I shall be good. And therefore He is canvassing me: \"Please, you surrender unto Me.\" Just like father says, \"My dear boy, why you are acting independently? Foolishly you are suffering. Just surrender unto me. I shall give you, I shall give you protection.\" Similarly, Kṛṣṇa is friend like that. He's always asking. He is going with me in any type of body. Even if I get the body of a dog, Kṛṣṇa is always there with me.\nThat is stated in Bhagavad-gītā, īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61].\n[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]\nĪśvara, the Supreme Lord, is staying within the heart of every living entity. So \"every living entity\" means He is staying even with the cats, dogs, hogs, or any lower type of animal. He has no hesitation. Because He is not living with him; He's living in Vaikuṇṭha. But He's so friendly that wherever this friend is going, He's also going there. He is with...\nAs Paramātmā, He is doing friendly activities. He's sending His bona fide servant as spiritual master. He's coming as incarnation. He's coming as devotee, Lord Caitanya. He's helping us in so many ways. But we are so foolish we are not accepting Him. You see? He's so... Nobody can be better friend than Kṛṣṇa. But we are so much unfortunate, so much captivated by the external energy, that we don't accept Kṛṣṇa as friend. We accept so many other things as friend.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Forgetfulness of this relationship by the atomic soul is the cause of one changing his position from one tree to another, or from one body to another.\"",
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"content": "\n Now here, that... He's giving trouble to the friend. I am giving to my sincere friend Kṛṣṇa simply trouble. Just like a bird is flying from one tree to another. The friend bird is also there. He has no business, he has no interest to be there, because he is not eating anything from the tree. He has nothing to do. But because his friend is there, he goes. So we are changing our body as the bird, the changing from one tree to another. But Kṛṣṇa, the supreme bird, is also going with me.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"The jīva, soul, is struggling very hard in the tree of the material body. But as soon as he agrees to accept the other bird...\"",
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"content": "\n That's all.",
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"content": "\n \"...as the supreme spiritual master...\"",
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"content": "\n Then here is the solution. He's simply taking unnecessary trouble. Kṛṣṇa says that \"I'll supply you everything. There is no necessity of going from here to there.\" No. But I'm not accepting it. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya [Bg. 4.9].\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\nOne who understands this, \"How Kṛṣṇa is helping me, how He is my, the greatest well-wisher, friend,\" immediately we can stop all these problems of life and go back to Godhead, go back to home.",
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"content": "\n \"But as soon as he agrees to accept the other bird as the supreme spiritual master, as Arjuna has agreed to do, by voluntary surrender unto Kṛṣṇa for instruction, the subordinate bird immediately becomes free from all lamentation.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. As Arjuna has accepted. Arjuna was talking with Kṛṣṇa as friend, but he has accepted. Although he is friend, he has accepted Him as spiritual master. The significance is that as soon as you accept somebody as spiritual master, you cannot argue. You have to accept. You have to accept. Therefore the selection of spiritual [master] must be very scrutinizing.\nYou cannot accept anyone as spiritual master. You must be very much satisfied that \"Here is a person who can solve the problems of my life.\" Just like Arjuna thought. He plainly said that \"The problem which is before me, I know, beyond You, besides You, nobody can make solution.\" That is the way of accepting spiritual master.\nWhen one is fully convinced that \"Here is a person who can actually solve the problems of my life,\" then one should accept spiritual master. In the Hari-bhakti-vilāsa there is such process that one should accept a spiritual master after associating with him for some time. Similarly, the spiritual master also shall accept somebody as disciple after associating with him for some time, whether he is eligible or not. This is the process.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Twenty-three: \"The soul can never be cut into pieces by any weapon, nor can he be burned by fire, nor moistened by water nor withered by the wind [Bg. 2.23].\" Purport.",
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"content": "\n This is the distinction of the soul being spirit. You take anything of this material world, they can be burned. It is the question of temperature only. Even iron is being burned, any metal, any hard thing, stone is being burned, everything is being burned. But here it is said that soul cannot be burned. So does it mean that it is stronger than iron and stone?\nBut it is very fragmental, minute, atomic portion. But it cannot be burned. So all these symptoms... Cannot be burned, cannot be cut into pieces. So here the Māyāvādī theory will fail. If the soul cannot be cut into pieces, then how the soul has become enwrapped with māyā? They give the example, ghaṭākāśa-poṭākāśa. Of course, they say that it is covered; it is not cut into pieces.\nBut the soul is separated, I mean to say, a separate identity constitutionally. That will be confirmed in the Fifteenth Chapter. Mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ sanātanaḥ [Bg. 15.7]. \n[The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.]\nSanātana means eternally. Eternally... The example just like fire and fire sparks. The fire sparks are part and parcel of the fire. Similarly the soul, individual soul, is part and parcel of the Supreme. But that part and parcel is eternally. Not that being covered by māyā, it has become individual. No. Individual permanently. Permanently individual.\nAs God is permanently individual, so every one of us living entity, we are permanent. It is not that by māyā we have been separated, cut into pieces, fragment. It is clearly stated it cannot be cut. If it is not cut, cannot be cut, then how I have become fragment, that I am not cut fragment; I am eternal fragment?\nThat is confirmed in the Fifteenth Chapter, sanātana, eternal. Try to understand. Just like you take a paper, you cut into pieces. That is cut. But here it is said that the spirit cannot be cut. Then how we have become fragments, pieces, different individuals? That means we are eternally so. We are eternally individual.\nIt is not that by the influence of māyā you have been cut into pieces. No. Here it is said you cannot be cut. Another, it cannot be burned. If you study one verse of Bhagavad-gītā, you understand so many things. It cannot be burned. Now, if it cannot be burned, then in fire also there is soul.\nThe materialists say that in the sun globe it is impossible to have living entities there. No. Because it cannot be burned. So impossible, possible. So this Vedic knowledge that sun planet is a planet just like other planet, and it is fiery, and the residents are also fiery body, so why one should be astonished that there is living entity? Then why they should deny, that there is no living entity? They are denying that in the moon planet also there is no living entity. Why? Why?\nLiving entity can be everywhere. Sarva-ga. This very word has been used in Bhagavad-gītā, sarva-ga. You'll find it. Sarva-ga means he can go everywhere. He can go..., live in the fire also. And actually we see that in the air there is living entity, in the water there is living entity, in the land there is living entity. So why not in the fire? Fire is one of the elements like air, water, land. So if in other elements there is possibility of living beings, why not in one? What is the reason? What is the argument?\nAnd Vedic literature gives us information that in the fire there is germ also. Just like in water there is germ, in the earth there is germ, in the air there is germ, living entities; similarly, in the fire there is also. And here it is said it cannot be burned. Even it is in the fire, there is no possibility of being burned. So why not in the fire? It requires a different type of body only. That's all. Just like the fish. It has got a different type of body.\nIt is living very comfortably in the water. You have got a different type of body. You are living in the land very comfortably. You cannot live in the water. The fish cannot live in the land. Similarly, in the fiery planet, just like sun, there must be living entity. There must be. You cannot say by any reason that there is no living entity. How you can say, if it is a fact that living entity cannot be burned? Is it not? Just try to understand.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Twenty-four: \"This individual soul is unbreakable, insoluble [Bg. 2.24].\"",
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"content": "\n Unbreakable, again. The Māyāvādī theory that it has broken part by māyā. No. Unbreakable. That means eternally we are individual, separated. Just like we are sitting, all individual. This is our eternal position. Kṛṣṇa is confirming that \"Arjuna, yourself, Myself and all these people who are assembled here, they're all individuals. They existed in the past, and they'll continue to exist in the future.\" So this is a confirmed truth, that every living entity is individual and Kṛṣṇa is also individual.\nAnd that is also stated in the Vedas. Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13].\n[The Supreme Lord is eternal and the living beings are eternal. The Supreme Lord is cognizant and the living beings are cognizant. The difference is that the Supreme Lord is supplying all the necessities of life for the many other living entities.]\nHe is the chief of all these individual living entities. That is the difference. He is the chief. Just like you have accept me the chief of your group. But that does not mean in all other respects we are all one. You have got the same feeling; I have got the same feeling.\nYou have selected me, or I have got some extraordinary qualification, I am controlling you. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa has got the extraordinary quality by which He can control the whole situation. Otherwise, He is as individual as we are. That's all. The supreme controller. We use this word. That's all.\nKṛṣṇa is... Just like we are sitting face to face, Kṛṣṇa is like that. You can have that opportunity. Just like Arjuna had the opportunity. Similarly, you'll have the opportunity. You have to take the opportunity. You'll see Kṛṣṇa face to face, talk with Him face to face, play with Him face to face. It is so nice, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Yes.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"He is everlasting, all-pervading, unchangeable, immovable, and eternally the same.\"",
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"content": "\n Everlasting. This is the word. Everlasting. Then why I am not everlasting now? This is my diseased condition. People should take it like this. Here it is stated that the living entity is everlasting, but my present position is not everlasting. I'm temporary. So why shall I be in this temporary..., such abominable condition? I am everlasting.\nSo they are so rascal fools they do not search out how he can be everlasting. They are trying to [sic] oint this body. That's all. Everlasting body by ointment, you see? That is not possible. That is their foolishness. They are trying to make this body, by so-called science, everlasting. That will never be possible.\nYour everlasting position is that you are spirit soul. You have to transfer yourself in that healthy condition, not this diseased condition. This is disease. My birth and death is disease. You have to cure this disease. That is your problem, real problem. But they are not serious about curing..., solving this real problem, birth and death.\nThey are thinking, \"So long I live, let me enjoy senses as far as possible, and let me enjoy.\" That's all. That's their philosophy. Child's philosophy. Just like child does not look forward his future. He's very playful. He sees that \"This playing will make me happy.\" Similarly, these rascals, they are simply enjoying senses, forgetting their future life.\nSo this is a rascal civilization. This is not a good civilization. You see? Childish civilization. However they may be proud of their advancement of knowledge, it is childish civilization, because they have no future. Everlasting. \"How I am going to be everlasting,\" they do not think of it. You see?\nThis one word can give so many volumes of thoughts to the real philosopher, to the real thinker. Here it is stated that the living entity is everlasting, and where is that living entity everlasting? Why it is not so? This is the problem.",
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"content": "\n \"It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable.\" [Bg. 2.25]\n[It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable, immutable, and unchangeable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body.]",
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"content": "\n Yes, invisible. That is a fact. I am soul, you are soul, but I cannot see with these eyes. I am seeing your body. Just like I am seeing my son or husband or brother, and as soon as my son or husband or son, anyone, dies, \"Oh, my son is gone.\" Where has your son gone? He's lying here. Why do you say gone? \"No, he's gone. He's gone.\" Then what is that son? Have you ever seen him? That is the problem. He has never seen his son or husband. He has seen this body as husband or son or father. Therefore invisible.\nYou cannot see even a small particle of soul which is spiritual; you want to see God immediately without preparing your eyes? Just see. They want to see God. They cannot see even the small particle of God, the soul, and they want to see immediately God.\nYes, one can see God—but not immediately. You have to prepare your eyes. You'll see God, you'll see soul, everything. Everything will be visible. At the present moment it is invisible because we have got material eyes. With material eyes we cannot see anything spiritual. It is blocked.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body.\" [Bg. 2.25]\n[It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable, immutable, and unchangeable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body.]",
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"content": "\n Yes. Because we cannot see. Just like the same example. A man is dead, his relative is crying. He says he's gone. He's still seeing. The body is there. That means he has never studied who is his relative. Then... At least, he must know after death that the body is not my relative. Something else beyond this body.",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"As described above, the magnitude of the soul is such that for our material calculation he cannot be detected even by the most powerful microscope. Therefore he is invisible. As far as his existence is concerned, nobody can establish his experimental stability beyond the proof of śruti, or Vedic wisdom.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Now, here Kṛṣṇa says that \"Don't care for this body. There is soul.\" That is śruti. Śruti means you hear from Kṛṣṇa; then you understand. Otherwise there is no possibility to understand. The same example, as I have several times said, that who is your father? That you can under[stand] simply by hearing from your mother. That's all.\nThe mother says, \"He is your father.\" What is the evidence? Hearing from the mother. That's all. Similarly anything spiritual, spiritual identity, spiritual God, spiritual kingdom, you have to learn simply by hearing from authorities. There is no other process. There is no other, second process. Simply you have to hear.\nJust the same example: Who is your father, you have to simply believe your mother. Even if he... Of course, it is not expected that she'll give a false information. Understanding the mother is nice, she'll give me. So that is the only way. You have to believe your mother, and that's all.\nSimilarly, if you want to understand anything spiritual, you have to take information by hearing from such authorities as Kṛṣṇa or His representative, and there is no other alternative. Other alternative, it will ever remain invisible and not understandable and so many things, negative.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n \"We have to accept this truth, because there is no other source for understanding the existence of the soul, although it is a fact by perception. There are many things we have to accept solely on grounds of superior authority.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n \"No one can deny the existence of his father based on the authority of his mother. There is no other source for understanding...\"",
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"content": "\n Now everyone knows that \"When I am born, there must have been somebody my father.\" This is the conclusion. \"And now, who is my father?\" That is evidence to be taken from mother. Similarly, nobody can deny the existence of God, because everything has got a father, generator.\nSo therefore this whole creation, there must be a generator. Now how we can see the father? Through the mother, Vedas. That's all. As we understand our father through the mother, similarly, through the mother of Vedic knowledge you can understand what is God.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Similarly, there is no other source of understanding the soul except by studying the Vedas. In other words, the soul is inconceivable to human experimental knowledge. The soul is consciousness, and consciousness, that also is the statement of the Vedas, and we have to accept that. Unlike the bodily changes there is no change for the soul. As eternally unchangeable, he remains atomic always in comparison to the infinite Supreme Soul.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Unchangeable means... The Māyāvāda theory is that \"Now I am finite. I shall become infinite.\" That's wrong. How you can be? Eternal. Eternally finite, you'll eternally remain infinite. You cannot be equal with God, the infinite. That is not possible. You'll have to remain as subordinate.",
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"content": "\n \"The Supreme Soul is infinite and the atomic soul is infinitesimal. Therefore the infinitesimal soul, being unchangeable, can never become equal to the infinite soul.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. This is a commonsense argument. How it can be? If it is equal to the infinite, how he has become finite? They cannot answer. The impersonalist cannot answer. How he has become finite? They'll simply..., the answer is, \"It is māyā.\" Then māyā is greater than the infinite? Then māyā becomes greater than the infinite.\nThen that God is no more infinite, because māyā covers the Supreme, so how He is infinite? He becomes finite. The common sense is that finite Brahman is covered by māyā, not the infinite. Therefore duality: finite and infinite living entities. Kṛṣṇa is infinite, and the ordinary living entities are finite.\n[sound of bells from ice cream truck]\nWhat is that?\n[music of ice cream truck]",
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"content": "\n Ice cream truck.",
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"content": "\n Oh, ice cream. [laughter] You are taking ice cream? Huh?",
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"content": "\n No. They go up and down the street.",
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"content": "\n Canvassing?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Don't take ice cream.\n[music continues louder in background] [laughs]\nThis is māyā. [laughter]\n\"Come on, come on, enjoy me. Come on, come on, enjoy me.\" [laughs] As soon as you enjoy, you become entrapped. That's all. Just like fishing tackle. They throw the tackle and invite the fish, \"Come on, come on, enjoy me. Come on, come on, enjoy me.\" As soon as—ap! [laughter] Finished. Then, [sound imitating fish] \"Where you go now? Come on in my bag. Yes, I'll fry you nicely.\" You see?\nSo these are all explained in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. The fish is losing his life by eating, by tongue. He cannot check the dictation of the tongue; therefore he is losing his life. You see? Similarly the animals, deer, in the jungle, the hunter, they play very nice flute, and all of them assemble to hear how he's nice, and then he keeps him in the trap, loses his life. That means hearing. Tasting, hearing.\nAnd the elephant is caught by sexual... Do you know how elephant is captured? Yes. A she-elephant is trained, goes to the male elephant, and it follows, and the male elephant is dropped into a, what is called, big pot, pit. Yes. Then he remains there for some time. Then he's shackled and he's taken away. In this way there are different examples of senses. The, what is called? That black, what is called, bhramara? English? That black big fly? [makes buzzing sound] Onnnhhh.",
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"content": "\n Bumblebee?",
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"content": "\n It may be.",
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"content": "\n Horsefly.",
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"content": "\n It is entrapped by smelling lotus flower, within the lotus flower, and loses its life. So by different sense gratification, the different kinds of animals, they are losing their life. And we have got all our senses active. So where we are? These examples are for animal kingdom, whose one sense is only active. But our all senses are active. Then what is our position? You see? This example is given in the Bhāgavata.\nA man has got six wives, and he has entered the house, and all the wives have captured him: \"You come to my room.\" You see? So one has taken his one hand, another has taken another hand, one has taken his one leg, one has taken..., so he's like this: \"Where shall I go?\" You see? So this is our position. Human being, whether they shall control the senses... Instead of controlling the senses, they are becoming servant of senses and losing their this great opportunity of human life.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n People that are concerned with advancing to the higher planets, do they have more opportunity to become entrapped?",
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"content": "\n No. Anyone within this material world, they are entrapped by this sense enjoyment—either in higher planets or lower planets. Just like animal kingdom there is sense impetus, and human being also. What this human being? We are civilized being, what we are doing? The same thing: eating, sleeping, mating.\nThe same thing as the dog is doing. So anywhere in the material world, either in the higher planet or in the lower planet, this sense gratification is prominent. Only in the spiritual world there is no sense gratification. There is simply an endeavor to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. That is...\nHere everyone is trying to satisfy his senses. That is the law of material world. That is material life. So long you try to satisfy your senses, that is your material life. And as soon as you turn yourself to satisfy the senses of Kṛṣṇa, that is your spiritual life. It's a very simple thing. Instead of satisfying... Hṛṣīkeṇa hṛṣīkeśa-sevanam [Cc. Madhya 19.170].\n[“’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nThat is bhakti. You have got senses. You have to satisfy. Senses, with senses you have to satisfy. Either you satisfy yourself... But you do not know. The conditioned soul does not know that satisfying the Kṛṣṇa's senses, his senses will be automatically satisfied. The same example: just like pouring water to the root... Or these fingers, part and parcel of my body, giving foodstuff here to the stomach, automatically the fingers will be satisfied.\nThis secret we are missing. We are thinking we shall be happy by trying to satisfy our senses. Kṛṣṇa consciousness means don't try to satisfy your senses. You try to satisfy the senses of Kṛṣṇa; automatically your senses will be satisfied. This is the secret of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The opposite party, they are thinking, \"Oh, why shall I satisfy? Why shall I work for Kṛṣṇa the whole day and night? Let me try for the karmīs.\"\nJust like you are working whole day and night for Kṛṣṇa, they are thinking, \"What fools they are. We are very intelligent. We are working for our own sense gratification whole day and night, and why they are working for Kṛṣṇa?\" This is the difference between materialist and spiritualist. The spiritualist's endeavor is to work whole day and night strenuously, without any hurt, simply for Kṛṣṇa. That is spiritual life. And the materialist means the same endeavor, always trying to satisfy their personal senses. That is the difference, materialistic and spiritual.\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means that we have to train our senses to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. That's all. So long in other, previous, many, many thousands and millions of lives, we have simply tried to satisfy our senses, personal senses. Let this life be dedicated for satisfying Kṛṣṇa's senses. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nOne life. We have, several lives, we have tried to satisfy our personal senses. Let this life, at least one life, let me try, what happens. So we are not loser. Even we feel inconveniences by not satisfying our senses, but we are not loser. Try simply to satisfy Kṛṣṇa's senses; then it will be all right.\nSo we shall stop. What is the time?",
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"content": "\n Seven o'clock.",
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"content": "\n All right. Stop. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances]",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? We're reading about the Sixth Chapter in Bhagavad-gītā now. And should I wait until you come to that chapter, or could I ask you a question now pertaining to that chapter?",
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"content": "\n As you like.",
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"content": "\n It mentions dhyāna [pronounces \"dahayana\"] and rāja-yoga in that chapter. Can you explain the meaning of these two yogas?",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n Dahyana. D-h-y-a-n-a.",
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"content": "\n Dhyāna. Dhyāna-yoga, meditation.",
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"content": "\n That's meditation. And is rāja-yoga the same?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Both meditation processes?\n You said in your lecture that everybody... I think that's what you said, that everybody in the material world is in māyā. But you can't be in māyā.",
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"content": "\n How do you think? What do you think?",
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"content": "\n You're spiritual, so you can't be in māyā. So how does that work?",
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"content": "\n How do you think that I am not in māyā?",
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"content": "\n Because you're a pure devotee. You see Kṛṣṇa in everybody.",
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"content": "\n [laughs] Yes. Then a pure devotee is not in māyā. Do you agree to that?",
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"content": "\n Uh-huh.",
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"content": "\n So are you going to be a pure devotee?",
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"content": "\n Me?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n I'm not a pure devotee.",
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"content": "\n But you are going to be, trying to be.",
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"content": "\n I try to be.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. That's all right. That's all right.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n In the Bhagavad-gītā it says that we are one..., that spirit soul, I, spirit soul, am one ten-thousandth of the tip of a hair.",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n We are very small. One ten-thousandth part of a hair. Well, since we are unchangeable, does Kṛṣṇa change His size to be the same size as us so that we can associate with Him when we go back to the spiritual world?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? Is it true that you once said something about the Supersoul being the size of the thumb? Where is that information or authority? He's the size of the thumb in human being?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n In the Caitanya-caritāmṛta you wrote that Kṛṣṇa has no arms or legs as we have arms and legs, and His spiritual body and the other is the same. The spiritual body and...",
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"content": "\n He has got spiritual arms, spiritual legs. I never said that He has no arms and legs.",
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"content": "\n It said that He has no arms and legs as we know arms and legs.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is the statement in the Vedas. Apāni-pādo javano grahīta [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 3.19].\n[The Supreme Lord has no material hands and feet but accepts whatever is offered to Him and moves very quickly. The Supreme Person has no material ears and eyes but sees and hears everything. He is the knower of everything, and He is all that is to be known. It is said that He is the best and the greatest of all persons.]\nThe Supreme Lord has no legs and hands, but still, He accepts whatever we offer. Now we are accepting, we are offering here foodstuff, Kṛṣṇa. So it is confirmed that He accepts. Now He is... We do not know how far away He is staying, in Vaikuṇṭhaloka. There is no limit of measurement. Then how He's accepting? It is said that javana, He is accepting the our offerings. So He must be accepting with His hand. So He can stretch His hand so many millions and trillions miles away.\nTherefore when it is said that He has no hand, that means He has no hand like us, limited. But that does not mean He has no hand. He has hand unlimited. Unlimitedly He can stretch. That we cannot conceive. Because we have got this three-feet hand, so Kṛṣṇa must have at least four-feet. That's all. That frog philosophy. [laughter]\nSimply imagining, \"Ah, Kṛṣṇa may be very great. So we have got this three-feet; Kṛṣṇa, let Him have six-feet. That's all.\" But we cannot imagine how long His hand is. Therefore His hand cannot be compared with this material hand. He has no material hand. That is the version of Vedas. But He has a hand. That you cannot measure. Just like Arjuna could not measure when He showed the universal form.\nSo avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīm... [Bg. 9.11].\n[Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be.]\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa says, \"Because I am moving amongst them as ordinary human being, they are thinking of Me as one of them.\" Paraṁ bhāvam ajānantaḥ: \"They do not know what is My background,\" paraṁ bhāvam. \"Therefore they fail to understand Me.\" Mūḍha. Rascals, fools.\nEveryone is trying to understand Kṛṣṇa from the angle of vision as he can understand. Kṛṣṇa is beyond that. Therefore His name is Adhokṣaja, \"beyond the limit.\" He can simply be presented by Himself, revealed. Just like Kṛṣṇa is revealing Himself to Arjuna. Arjuna is not understanding Kṛṣṇa by his philosophical speculation. Directly Kṛṣṇa revealing.\nThis is the process of understanding God. You cannot create your imagination, imaginative God. No. God reveals unto you, being pleased upon you by your devotional activities. Sevonmukhe hi jihvādau [Brs. 1.2.234].\n[No one can understand the transcendental nature of the name, form, quality and pastimes of Śrī Kṛṣṇa through his materially contaminated senses. Only when one becomes spiritually saturated by transcendental service to the Lord are the transcendental name, form, quality and pastimes of the Lord revealed to him.]\nJust like Kṛṣṇa says to Arjuna, bhakto 'si priyo 'si [Bg. 4.3]:\n[That very ancient science of the relationship with the Supreme is today told by Me to you because you are My devotee as well as My friend; therefore you can understand the transcendental mystery of this science.]\n\"You are My very dear friend, you are My devotee. Therefore I'll reveal unto you. Not to others.\" This is the qualification of understanding God: to become devotee.\nSo our movement is to make people in general devotee. Then he'll understand God. Then his life will be successful. That's all. You be yourself devotee and try to make others devotee. Then both your life and the person who is under your instruction, he, everyone is successful. And without being devotee, you cannot make others devotee.\nThat is also a secret. If you remain nondevotee, you cannot convince others. That is not in your power. Therefore the nondevotee class of men, they cannot understand God, they cannot convince others about God. That's a fact. They'll simply present hodge-podge thing; they do not understand clearly, and they present hodge-podge. That's all.\nWithout being... Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ [Bg. 18.55].\n[One can understand the Supreme Personality as He is only by devotional service. And when one is in full consciousness of the Supreme Lord by such devotion, he can enter into the kingdom of God.]\n\"If anyone wants to understand Me as I am...\" Of course, nobody can understand Kṛṣṇa as He is; still, as far as possible. That is only through bhakti. Bhaktyā, it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. It doesn't say that through knowledge, philosophical speculation or through haṭha-yoga system. No. He says bhaktyā, clearly. And in the beginning also He says, \"Because you are My bhakta, therefore I shall reveal to you.\"\nThe whole science is for the devotee, not for anyone else. Those who are not devotees, their understanding of God is blocked forever. They cannot understand. It is a fact. Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, māyāvādī-bhāṣya śunile haya sarva-nāśa [Cc. Madhya 6.169]:\n[“Śrīla Vyāsadeva presented the Vedānta philosophy for the deliverance of conditioned souls, but if one hears the commentary of Śaṅkarācārya, everything is spoiled.]\nIf anyone tries to understand these impersonalist Māyāvādī philosophers, then his, I mean to say, progress is blocked for good. Not for good, of course. Nothing can be for good. But for the present, at least, his progress is blocked. Sarva-nāśa.\nChant. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [end]",
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"content": "\n The symptoms of Kali-yuga have already begun, five thousand years past. And it will increase.\n[break] ...proud of advancing, but these things are important items of human civilization. They are decreasing. [break]",
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"content": "\n ...world now where people, they already, if they live to be twenty-five or thirty, like you explained last night, that was a ripe old age. There are tribes in the world where people live to the age of thirty, and that is considered a ripe age. That is considered old age. And they usually die about thirty or thirty-two.",
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"content": "\n Where?",
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"content": "\n In places in South America and Africa. So now, as the age of Kali progresses, will those people just eventually be diminished and wiped out because they already live so short?",
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"content": "\n Not wiped out. Nothing is wiped out. The species remain. Maybe somewhere, maybe somewhere else. Nothing is wiped out.",
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"content": "\n They could go to another planet?",
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"content": "\n Yes. There are so many places. The living entity is described in the Bhagavad-gītā as sarvaga. Sarvaga means he can go anywhere within this universe. He can go in the spiritual sky also. Sarvaga means including everywhere, if he likes. As I explained yesterday, last night, yānti deva-vratā devān [Bg. 9.25].\n[Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live with Me.]\nIf he likes, he can go to the planets of the demigods, to the Pitrloka, he can remain here, or if he likes, he can go to the planet of Kṛṣṇa. He has got this freedom. Just like there are many government post. You can select any one of them, but you must be qualified for that.\nSo it is a question of qualification, how you can go to the planets of the demigods, how you can go to the planet of the pitṛs. Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthā [Bg. 14.18].\n[Those situated in the mode of goodness gradually go upward to the higher planets; those in the mode of passion live on the earthly planets; and those in the mode of ignorance go down to the hellish worlds.]\nIf you develop your modes of goodness, then you go to the..., promoted to the higher planets, because in the higher planets, the third-class living entities are not allowed. Don't you see that in here also, in America, for permanent visa we have to undergo so many formalities? Why? The restriction is there, that American government cannot allow everyone to become a permanent resident here. Restriction.\nSimilarly, in higher planets, only those who have developed the quality of goodness. The quality of goodness contains those eight principles: religiosity, truthfulness, cleanliness... So ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthā [Bg. 14.18]. \nSattva means quality of goodness. So one has to develop the quality of goodness. Not an upstart, simply having as play sputnik, he wants to go to the Candraloka, moon planet. [chuckles] It is not possible. What quality he has got? He will immediately die. Temperature is so... [end]",
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"content": "\n It's not in good order, Swāmījī.",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n It's not in good order.",
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"content": "\n Which order?",
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"content": "\n Well, my house where I live.",
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"content": "\n No, no. I say that you purchase one house.",
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"content": "\n Participate in one house?",
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"content": "\n Purchase.",
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"content": "\n Purchase. Buy.\n Oh. [laughter] Am I gonna dig gold?",
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"content": "\n Oh, you have no money?",
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"content": "\n To buy a house? I wish I did. I'd take all of the disciples and put 'em all in one house.",
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"content": "\n Yes. You just make one down-payment, and they will pay monthly.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa!",
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"content": "\n Yes. Kṛṣṇa will help you.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa! [laughter]\n Sell your car!\n I've got a bad back. I can't walk.\n Your car helps your back?",
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"content": "\n Oh, your car is so nice. If I would have remained here, I would ask you to donate this car to the Society.",
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"content": "\n Can never tell what I do for [Prabhupāda chuckling] all my sisters and my brothers.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n These are all my sisters and brothers, Swāmījī. Right?",
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"content": "\n Yes. certainly. So don't worry. Kṛṣṇa will give you better place.",
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"content": "\n That was a disappointment, because we almost..., almost had it.",
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"content": "\n Yes. No question of disappointment. In Los Angeles, we had so many disappointment. At last, we got very nice place. Now we are after bigger place.",
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"content": "\n Tell Swāmījī about the church we want to get.\n The church...?",
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"content": "\n Then that article has worked adversely?",
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"content": "\n Yeah. The real estate man said if it had only come out a week later, he said, \"You'd be in.\"",
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"content": "\n So publicity like this is not good for us, that people are thinking they are hippies.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That's true, Swāmījī. Yeah.",
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"content": "\n So then you should not give publicity. You must even in the beginning verify that we are not hippies.",
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"content": "\n I have to tell a lot of people like this myself.",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa movement is not for hippies. In many places this is a notion, that we are hippies.",
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"content": "\n Montreal.",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n Montreal, too, the same thing.\n Yes, but a lot of hippies have gone back to... They've went to Florida, Swāmījī. Thousands of hippies went back to Florida. They left Boston. But I don't know...",
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"content": "\n They are, most of them, in Hawaii also.",
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"content": "\n Oh, there's some in Hawaii too?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Oh.\n Prabhupāda, I think he was worried because... [break]",
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"content": "\n ...all right. We don't hate the hippies. We have nothing against. But these people misunderstand. That is... That is another thing. We welcome everyone. We have no such distinction.",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes, yes. Everyone can come.",
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"content": "\n Never mind.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa's good.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa wants a better place for us.\n Kṛṣṇa wants a better place.",
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"content": "\n And also it is a fact that many of our students have come from the hippies. [chuckling]",
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"content": "\n Almost all of them. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n [laughs] So they are our best candidates. So you can advertise that \"We are not hippies, but we are converting many hippies to the sane condition of life.\" That's a fact. They are searching after something better, but they have no leader.",
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"content": "\n Yes, that's true. That's it. They haven't got the leader to understand...",
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"content": "\n They have no leader. Now, if they come to us seriously, they get the right thing. But that is also their defect. When we propose, \"Come and take this Kṛṣṇa,\" they don't want. They want that marijuana. [pronounces \"mariana\"]",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, my mother had the idea of going to rich parents who are very anxious about their children who've become hippies and saying that this movement...",
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"content": "\n So you should write article that \"We are not hippies, but we are converting hippies to the sane condition. So father, mothers who are anxious for their children, let them send their children to us. We take care.\" In this way you make impression in the public mind.",
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"content": "\n And also they make donations.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So our New Vrindaban scheme is there. Let them help and send their children. We make just opposite number of hippies. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, but that has to be advertised in papers...",
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"content": "\n So why don't you do it? This is a service. You can do it.",
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"content": "\n Yes, right.",
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"content": "\n You are acquainted with so many people. You are experienced.",
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"content": "\n But I mean so people can read it. So they'll understand it's not hippies.",
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"content": "\n Yes. You go to responsible men and see, that \"This is a nice movement. Why don't you patronize it to save your country from the hippies' falling down, confusion?\" We are saving. Practically this Society is giving the best service to your country.\nThey should appreciate, but they should not misunderstand us. How we can be hippies? We completely... That is also said. How foolish man he is, that, er... In that article, Satsvarūpa, in that article, it is clearly stated that we are refusing all these things. How they conclude that we are hippies?",
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"content": "\n It wasn't a bad article.",
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"content": "\n Oh! What a nonsense he is!",
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"content": "\n He is worried that hippies come to the ceremonies to see us.",
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"content": "\n I think that's why he's worried about hippies.",
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"content": "\n Because he saw photographs that audience was hippies.",
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"content": "\n Oh. So that we cannot cancel, that \"Hippies are not admitted.\" No. We admit everyone. We cannot say that \"Such and such person cannot enter into our temple.\" We cannot say. Everyone is welcome.",
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"content": "\n I understand. I understand that.",
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"content": "\n Everyone is welcome. And, if they do not come, how they'll converted?",
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"content": "\nCan we just finish four more words?\n I think that the confusion is...",
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"content": "\n We cannot say, just like, in some hotels, that \"Such and such persons are not admitted.\" No. We cannot. We admit everyone. Our mission is to elevate persons from down state of life to the highest state of life. So everyone is in down state. Lord Jesus Christ also said that \"You do not hate the sinners, but hate sin.\"\nIs not that, Lord Jesus Christ said? So hippies may be sinners. We raise them to the pious life. But we say, \"Don't do this. Don't do this sinful act. Don't take intoxication. Don't do this. Don't do this.\" We hate sin, not the sinners, actually. If we hate sinners, then where is the possibility of our preaching?",
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"content": "\n If the hippies would come, come, come...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...then you can get them out of this hippie into Christian[?] conscience, faith. See.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is our mission.",
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"content": "\n Yes. I can understand that.",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa. All right. Kṛṣṇa will see. So you just give service to Kṛṣṇa, impressing people that \"These Kṛṣṇa conscious people are not hippies.\"",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes! I told a lot of people. You know, Swāmījī, the first time when I heard about 95 Glenville Avenue, the first time, a woman told me that..., she says, \"You know,\" she says, \"gypsies, we have neighbors, gypsies on the street.\" And I said, \"Gypsies! I haven't seen any gypsies.\" Well, I put my shoes on. I went downstairs. I went to the door and I start reading. I says, \"This is spiritual. This is beautiful. This is spiritual.\" I got right away.\nSo she came to the door, Jadurāṇī. She came to the door and she said, \"Hare Kṛṣṇa,\" and she said, \"Come in.\" I came in and she started talking to me, and that's... I got started. So when I seen her, I said, \"That's not gypsies. That's not gypsies.\" And I explained it to her. \"Oh,\" she said, \"I seen the curtains in the window,\" she said, \"and I thought they were gypsies.\" \"Oh, well,\" I explained it to her. \"Oh,\" I says. I let her have it, there was no gypsies there. So she used to see me coming down to go to the temple. It's so nice, yeah? Do you like that place, Swāmījī?",
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"content": "\n Which place?",
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"content": "\n Where the disciples are now, on Glenville Avenue? Or do you think they should need another place?",
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"content": "\n No, sometimes the..., some children disturb. They broke...",
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"content": "\n No. Oh, I know they broke the windows. I know that. You know, Swāmījī, it's very hard to find apartments, and, Swāmījī, they're very expensive—$125, $135, $145 dollars a month, the apartments are. See. Yeah. [indistinct] And they're very, very hard to find. And sometimes I want to get out of there myself. Because, I mean, there is so many... It's really turning out to be kind of a bad..., a lot of children there.",
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"content": "\n Let us see. As Kṛṣṇa desires. [end]",
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"content": "\n [sings:]\n...pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the Six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayitāya kṛpābdhaye\nkṛṣṇa-sambandha-vijñāna-dāyine prabhave namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrī Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.]\nmādhuryojjvala-premāḍhya-śrī-rūpānuga-bhaktida-\nśrī-gaura-karuṇā-śakti-vigrahāya namo 'stu te\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mercy, who delivers devotional service enriched with conjugal love of Śrī Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamas te gaura-vāṇī-śrī-mūrtaye dīna-tāriṇe\nrūpānuga-viruddhāpasiddhānta-dhvānta-hāriṇe\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Lord Caitanya. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement against the teachings of devotional service enunciated by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nśrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu-nityānanda\nśrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta vṛnda\n[All glories to Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu, Lord Nityānanda, Advaita Ācārya, Gadādhara Paṇḍita Prabhu, Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura and all those devotees who follow in their footsteps.]\nbhaja śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu-nityānanda\nśrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta vṛnda\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[O Śrīmāti Rādhārāṇī (the divine energy of the Lord Kṛṣṇa), O all-attractive reservoir of pleasure, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, please engage me in Your loving devotional service.]\n[prema-dhvani] All glories to the assembled devotees. All glories to the assembled devotees. All glories to the assembled devotees. Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\n[11:09]\n Today is the second day of Lord Caitanya's birth ceremony. The Lord has appeared yesterday, 4th March. Not exactly 4th March. It is called, according to Vedic calendar, Gaura-pūrṇimā, the full-moon day of the month of Phālguna. Phālguna means up to 15th March. From 15th February to 14th March is the month of Phālguna according to Bengali calendar.\nAnd on the month of Phālguna, the full-moon day, the full-moon night is the appearance, or tithi, or occasion, for Lord Caitanya. Lord Caitanya appeared on the phālguni pūrṇimā. Pūrṇimā means full moon, and phālguni means the month which is called Phālguna, which is calculated from 15th February to 14th March.\nSo after the appearance of Lord Caitanya, there was great ceremony, all the inhabitants of Navadvīpa. His father, Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu's father, was not very rich man but was very respectable brāhmaṇa. The brāhmaṇa community, especially in those days, five hundred years ago, the brāhmaṇa community, as a community they were not very rich, because they did not care for material opulence. That is the specific quality of brāhmaṇas.\nThere are four classes of men all over the world.\n[break] ...people, they are interested for success of this human form of life. They are called brāhmaṇas. And the next class of men, they are interested for political power, next important class. First important class men is called who are seeking success of the human form of life, and the next class, they are seeking success to become very rich within this material world by political power. Another, next class, is trying to be successful by material opulence, by earning money, the mercantile community. First class, second class, third class. They are third class.\nAnd the fourth-class men, they are called śūdras. That means they have no other ambition than to fill up their belly only. That's all. They have no intelligence to become brāhmaṇa, neither to become kṣatriya, administrator, or to occupy political powers; neither they have energy to become very rich businessmen or industrialists. Therefore they are called fourth-class men.\nSo that division is there all over the world. Either you name differently, but these four classes of men are there, either in India or in America or Hawaii or Japan or anywhere. If you divide all people, they will..., you will find one class of men, they are not interested with this opulence of material happiness. They are seeking—philosophers, learned scholars, scientists, religionists, reformers. Their business is different.\nSo naturally, the brāhmaṇa class of men, they are not very rich.\n[baby starts crying] Oh. What happened?\n[break] ...are always, because they do not endeavor for material opulence, apparently they look very poor. But actually, they are rich in knowledge. But people do not care for knowledge, at the present moment at least. They care for material opulence. They think that this life is meant for highest grade of sense gratification. That is the general thinking. In this city, any city you go, they are struggling very hard.\nEveryone is trying to get very rich, to get monetary power, so that they can satisfy their senses. Just like I hear from my students that this island, Hawaii, is meant for tourists. Tourists means they are all rich class of men. They come here to spend money for sense gratification. That is the way of civilization, the modern civilization: \"Earn money at any cost. At the risk of all advancement of life, enjoy.\"\nSo this is not new thing, but at the present moment, in this age, this mentality has increased very improportionately. So when I came to the compound, to the yard of this house, I was very happy to hear the chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, because in this great city of sense gratification, at least in one corner there is the vibration of Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra.\nToday, of course, we find that our this small endeavor to preach this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is not very successful. But it has got the potency if the workers try for it. My Guru Mahārāja used to say that \"If people do not come to hear this philosophy, don't be discouraged. You sit down in a room and try to preach. The four walls will hear you. Don't be disappointed.\"\nSo there is no cause of disappointment. But this is very..., today is very important day, Lord Caitanya's birthday ceremony. At least in India, specially in Nabadwip, there is very, very great ceremony today. Thousands and millions of people are gathering to observe this important ceremony.\nSo ceremony..., apart from ceremonial function, let us try to understand the philosophy of Lord Caitanya. So Lord Caitanya thought it—not thought it; this is a fact—that this sort of life, seeking material happiness... Material happiness means sense gratification. That's all. Actually, according to Bhagavad-gītā—not according to Bhagavad-gītā; that is a fact according to any authoritative statement—sukham ātyantikaṁ yat tad atīndriyaṁ grāhyam [Bg. 6.21].\n[The stage of perfection is called trance, or samādhi, when one's mind is completely restrained from material mental activities by practice of yoga. This is characterized by one's ability to see the self by the pure mind and to relish and rejoice in the self. In that joyous state, one is situated in boundless transcendental happiness and enjoys himself through transcendental senses. Established thus, one never departs from the truth, and upon gaining this he thinks there is no greater gain. Being situated in such a position, one is never shaken, even in the midst of greatest difficulty. This indeed is actual freedom from all miseries arising from material contact.]\nŚrī Kṛṣṇa says that sukham ātyantikam. Ātyantikam means the super, superhappiness, ātyantikam; means that which you cannot excel more. That is the final point. That sort of happiness is not possible to achieve...\nHappiness... First of all, you must understand, happiness means sense gratification, happiness. You can understand it very easily. If I get some nice foodstuff, because I satisfy my taste, palate, I feel happiness: \"Oh, very nice food I am eating.\" Similarly, you take any of your sense organs, when it is satisfied according to the sense object, it is called happiness. So the sum and substance of happiness is to satisfy the senses. But Kṛṣṇa says that sukham ātyantikam: the supermost happiness can be achieved not by these senses, but atīndriya. Atīndriya means transcendental senses.\nJust like at the present moment our senses are gross material senses. But there is another sense... Not another sense; this sense. This is covered sense. Suppose you will try... You will be able to understand. Now, I want to touch some soft place to enjoy the sense of this hand, touch sense. But if the hand is covered with gloves, I cannot enjoy that sense so nicely. You can easily understand. The sense is there, but if it is artificially covered, then even the facility is there, I cannot enjoy the sense perfectly. Similarly, we have got our senses, but our senses are now covered by this material body.\nKṛṣṇa gives us indication in the Bhagavad-gītā that that superhappiness can be achieved by that sense, not this covered sense. Covered sense, you cannot enjoy the happiness superbly. Sukham ātyantikaṁ yat tad atīndriyaṁ grāhyam [Bg. 6.21]. Atīndriya means transcendental, not this covered sense. And Kṛṣṇa consciousness means... We have got consciousness. Everyone is conscious, but that consciousness is covered consciousness. So we are trying to clear the consciousness without any cover, without any color.\nJust like there is water, pure water. Take sea water: it is very clear. But if you take clear water and if you color it, then it is colored water; it is not pure water. Or if it is not distilled, if you add some chemical, sugar or salt, then the taste is different. That is not the real taste of water. Just like if you thirsty, if you want water, if I give you some adulterated water, you are not satisfied.\nIf you get clear water, pure water, then your thirst is quenched: \"Oh, I am satisfied.\" Because the taste is there in the clear water, not in the colored water. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa says sukham ātyantikaṁ yat [Bg. 6.21].: That superhappiness, super–sense gratification, can be achieved by your transcendental sense, not by these covered sense.\nSo our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to clear that covered sense, or this colored consciousness, or adulterated consciousness. Then everything will be there. You cannot kill consciousness. That is not possible. The Buddha philosophy is to stop consciousness, nirvāṇa. According to Buddha's philosophy, this consciousness is production by combination of this matter. This body is combination of matter: earth, water, fire, air, ether and, according to Bhagavad-gītā, further, mind, intelligence, ego. This is combination.\nThey are very finely analyzed by the sāṅkhya philosophy system, by Vedic system, into twenty-four elements. And according to some, twenty-five, and according to some, twenty-six. According to our Vaiṣṇava philosophy, twenty-six. According to Māyāvāda philosophy, this is twenty-five. And according to impersonal philosophy, or void philosophy, it is twenty-four. So originally, it is eight.\nSo in this way... Buddha philosophy means that this whole existence of our body or our self is the combination of matter. That is the way of thinking of modern scientists also, that this body is a combination of matter. Under Darwin's theory also, like that: \"organic matter, inorganic matter.\" They are studying evolution of this matter, organic matter. But actually that is not the fact. The fact is that we, individual soul, that is the real fact. And that individual soul is the seed, and upon that seed, this body has developed.\nAccording to our Vedic understanding, the body develops on the seed. This is very practical. Why we have got different bodies, different types of bodies? Because the condition of the seed is different. The seed is the spirit soul, and by material contact it is covered by finer body—intelligence, mind and ego. And according to the quality of that ego, we develop different kinds of this material gross body.\nTherefore somebody has developed the body in the modes of goodness... Because material nature is divided into three qualities: goodness, passion and ignorance. Somebody has developed body in the modes of passion. Somebody has developed body in the modes of ignorance. But the root is the spirit soul. And the finer cover is desire: ego, intelligence, mind. And the gross cover is this body.\nSo Buddha philosophy simply takes account of this gross body. They do not take account of the mind, because as soon as they go to the platform of mind, then immediately the question will be \"Whose mind? Whose intelligence?\" Then you have to come to the spirit soul. But the people for whom this Buddha philosophy was preached, they are not very intelligent class of men. Therefore Lord Buddha did not give them the information of the subtle body, or the soul. They are unable. Why they were unable? They were gross materialists.\nThe gross materialists, they are animal-killers, gross materialists. That..., these animal-killers, according to Bhāgavata also, they cannot understand finer things. Those who are animal-killers and animal-eaters, they cannot understand finer philosophical matter. Their brain is gross. Therefore they are much inclined to mechanical way of life. Machine. Machine is gross. You see? We therefore forbid our students not to be meat-eaters, because by refraining yourself from meat-eating, you will have..., you will develop finer... Not only refraining from meat-eating. That is one of the condition. There are other conditions also, but this is one of the condition.\nParīkṣit Mahārāja said, \"This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is understandable by liberated class of men.\" Liberated class means above the brāhmaṇas. \"But those who are killer of the animals...\" The killer of the animals are two kinds: one, gross killer, killing cows, goats, chickens, so many, gross killer. Another killer is soul-killer. Soul-killer means those who do not take any care for the soul. They are taking care of this gross body.\nSo there are different kinds of philosophies in the world, but Lord Caitanya's philosophy is the superphilosophy. Superphilosophy means... Why superphilosophy? Just like Lord Buddha's philosophy is... There is no acknowledgement of the Supreme Personality of Godhead or any God. His philosophy is this..., the body our material... this present condition, is a combination of matter. So you dismantle the matter by meditation. You disperse the matter.\nLet the earth go to the earth. Let the water go to the water. Let the fire go to the fire. Let this ether go to the ether, the air... Because this is combination of earth, water, fire, so disperse it. When go to the total water, total earth, total air, then... Just like you prepare a doll. You take little earth. You take little water. You dry it in the air. Then you, I mean to say, burn it in the fire, and it becomes a doll. You see? That means you take all the help of all these ingredients, and it appears.\nSimilarly, this body has appeared in that way, by combination. So you..., if the doll is broken, then, in due course of time, it mixes again: \"Dust thou art, dust thou beist.\" Again mixes with the water, earth, air. There is no... So as soon as it is dismantled and dispersed, there is no more consciousness, or the feelings of happiness or distress.\nBecause we are all concerned with the feelings of consciousness, of happiness and distress. Everyone is embarrassed. Everyone is trying that \"I shall become happy in this way.\" So that means he is feeling distress. So according to Lord Buddha's philosophy, these feelings of happiness, distress, is due to this combination of matter. So you dismantle this matter, material, there will be no more distress, and nirvāṇa—finish. Nirvāṇa means finish.\nBut, I mean to say, further development. Śaṅkara, he says, \"No, matter is not all. This is false. Matter has grown on the platform of spirit.\" Brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā.\n[The spirit soul is truth, and the external energy is untruth.]\nAnd the Vaiṣṇava ācārya said, \"Yes, spirit is the basic principle. Matter is false. That's all right. But that spirit is not void. There is spiritual construction. As in the material world there is material construction, in the spiritual world there is spiritual construction.\" So that spiritual construction is not known to other philosophers than the Vaiṣṇava philosophers.\nSo the Lord Caitanya's philosophy—that is the greatest contribution to the world—that these living entities who are hankering after happiness by different process. By material process, by philosophical process, by mental concoction or mental process they are trying, and Lord Kṛṣṇa also said—they are trying—but that happiness is available when your senses or consciousness are pure. The same philosophy is also Lord Caitanya's philosophy. He says that jīvera svarūpa haya nitya kṛṣṇa-dāsa [Cc. Madhya 20.108-109].\n[“It is the living entity’s constitutional position to be an eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa because he is the marginal energy of Kṛṣṇa and a manifestation simultaneously one with and different from the Lord, like a molecular particle of sunshine or fire. Kṛṣṇa has three varieties of energy.]\nWhat is the pure consciousness? Kṛṣṇa said that happiness can be achieved in pure consciousness, or when your senses are transcendental. He gave hint. Not only hint, He practically suggested also that \"You simply surrender unto Me.\"\nSo Lord Caitanya said the same thing. Lord Kṛṣṇa said... As the Supreme Lord, He commanded—He has got the commanding power because He is the Supreme God—that \"You surrender unto Me.\" Just like some superior, the teacher or father or king, says, \"You must do it.\" But there is force. The State says \"You must do it,\" but if you do not do it, then there is force. Just like this draft board. They are demanding that \"You must join. If you don't join, there will be force, and you will be forcibly joined after that.\"\nSo here, in the Kṛṣṇa's order, because He is Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord, there is no force. That voluntary. He says that \"This is life: You surrender unto Me.\" But He could force Arjuna to surrender, or anybody, because He is Supreme Lord. But that force He does not apply, because He has given us little independence. Therefore, if He forces, then His gift of independence is misused from His side. We are misusing our that gift of independence, but for that reason, Kṛṣṇa cannot withdraw your independence.\nJust like you are independent citizen. You are... If somebody misuses that independence, he becomes a criminal, but still, the independence continues. You are criminal. You are punished. Again you are set free. That means you are given again independence. But again if you misuse, then again you are put into prison.\nSimilarly, if the state cannot withdraw your independence, then what is the meaning of this independent country? How God can withdraw the independence He has given to you? That He will not withdraw. It is up to you to use your independence properly. That proper use of independence is to surrender unto...\nWe are suffering, we are manufacturing so many philosophical ways, but actual position is—that is the statement of Bhagavad-gītā—that we are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, God. We are not working according to our particular duty. Just like this finger is part and parcel of my body. It has got a particular duty: to serve the whole body. When it is unable to do it—it is painful—the physician or the surgeon says that \"This finger should be amputated. Otherwise it will create disturbance to the whole body.\"\nSimilarly, we are all part and parcel of the supreme whole, but not surrendering unto Him, misusing our independence, we are giving pain to the Supreme. Therefore He comes, that \"You surrender. Don't give Me pain. You just abide by My order. That will give Me pleasure. You will be happy.\" That state of consciousness, to abide by the order of Kṛṣṇa, is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That's all.\nSo Kṛṣṇa comes personally to canvass that \"This is not your proper order of life. You are misusing your independence for sense gratification and wandering through various types of transmigration of bodies—sometimes human body, sometimes dog's body, sometimes cat's body, sometimes demigod's body, sometimes rich body, sometimes poor body. So you stop this business,\" Kṛṣṇa says. Sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg. 18.66].\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\n\"You have manufactured so many duties. That duties means you are manufacturing so many bodies. That's all.\"\nWhy you have got different types of bodies? We have manufactured it. God has given us facility. I wanted to become such and such. He has given us facilities, \"All right, you become such and such.\" If I want to become a tiger, God will give me all the facilities to become a tiger. He will give me facilities, paws and nails and teeth, so that immediately I can capture any animal, and with the instruments which He has provided within my body, I can immediately scratch it into pieces and eat.\nSimilarly, you will find... You see the cranes. They have got big beaks. Why? Because they have to catch fish from within the water, so the beak must be very long. So there is facility. The hog has different mouth, because he has to eat stool. So a different kind of body.\nSo these bodies means we have manufactured according to our different mentality. Kṛṣṇa says that \"You stop all this business. Simply you are migrating, or transmigrating, from one body to another or one planet to another. That will not make you happy.\" Sarva-dharmān: \"You just surrender unto Me. Because you are meant..., your original creation is meant for serving Me.\" Just like this body.\nWhen this body was made in the womb of my mother, it was just like a small pea, and from that pea, different holes came out, then hand came out, leg came out, the fingers came out. Why this finger was created? Because I require the service of the fingers. Suppose if I want to press something, if there was no nail, then I cannot press. It is so nicely manufactured. By my energy, by my desire, and nature supplying me ingredient, it is manufactured.\nSo you are manufacturing different bodies, but our real sense is covered. So that transcendental sense can be discovered when we give up this material sense gratificatory process by creating different kinds of bodies.\nSo that is the profit of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So the people of modern civilization, they have no information about this, how this body is being created. That simply busy with the present problem. That's all. Present problem is not problem. We are eternal. Our problem is eternal.\nTherefore the modern age, the people are not very intelligent. They are advertising themselves that they are very much advanced. Actually, they are fools. And \"It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss.\" The whole world is full of ignorant. Therefore we are trying to preach this Kṛṣṇa consciousness—it is our folly. You see? It is our folly, \"the cry in the wilderness.\"\nBut we cannot stop this business. You see? They may think that \"Why you are, nonsense people, you have given up everything, you are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa? You are all fools. You are not enjoying life.\" They may say like that, but our..., because we have nothing to do with them, our business is to satisfy the Supreme. That is my real sense gratification. I have got my senses. As soon as I use it for my satisfaction, it is material. And as soon as I use them for Kṛṣṇa's satisfaction, it is spiritual. That's all.\nTry to understand the distinction between material and spiritual. Material means I have to act. Acting means I have to act with my senses, with my desires, with my thinking, feeling, willing, so many things, because that is original. You cannot stop your thinking, feeling, willing, working, because that is your original nature. You are living entity. If you have no thinking, feeling, willing, desire or working, then what is the difference between you and the stone? You are not stone. Some philosopher are trying to make you stone, but that is not possible. You cannot become stone.\nSo the whole process is to rectify, to purify your senses. And the purified sense means instead of using the senses for this so-called material happiness, one has to utilize the senses for happiness of Kṛṣṇa. That is purified sense. The example, the vivid example, is Arjuna. Arjuna was not willing to fight to satisfy his senses. He thought that \"If I do not kill my brother or nephews or my grandfather or my teacher, the other side, that will make me happy. If they are killed, then where is my happiness?\"\nThis is material calculation, because he was giving more importance to the material body, what is his brother, what is his grandfather or teacher. He was seeing the material. Just like what is our calculation? I am thinking somebody my friend and another body as my enemy. Why? Because I make distinction on the bodily platform. I say, \"American? Oh, they are my friends.\nRussians? They are my enemies.\" Why? What is the platform of this distinction? The platform is body. Because one has got the Russian body by some way or other, another bod..., has got American body, I am making distinction. So this distinction is on the material platform. And the spiritual platform, there is no such distinction because it is simply spirit.\nvidyā-vinaya-sampanne\nbrāhmaṇe gavi hastini\nśuni caiva śvapāke ca\npaṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ\n[Bg. 5.18]\n[The humble sage, by virtue of true knowledge, sees with equal vision a learned and gentle brāhmaṇa, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste]]\nOne who is paṇḍita—paṇḍita means learned—he does not make any distinction between a learned brāhmaṇa or a dog or a cat or a cow, because he sees the spirit.\nSo we have come to that spiritual platform. We have to give up our this sense gratification process, and that is the teaching of Lord Caitanya. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu practically demonstrated how to adopt that life of pure sense gratification, or pure utilization of the senses. He said, jīvera svarūpa haya nitya kṛṣṇa-dāsa [Cc. Madhya 20.108]. \n[“It is the living entity’s constitutional position to be an eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa because he is the marginal energy of Kṛṣṇa and a manifestation simultaneously one with and different from the Lord, like a molecular particle of sunshine or fire. Kṛṣṇa has three varieties of energy.]\nJīvera svarūpa haya means the real nature of the living entity is eternal servitor, eternal servant of Lord Kṛṣṇa. The same thing what Kṛṣṇa taught in the Bhagavad-gītā, Caitanya Mahāprabhu taught also in His..., this Bhāgavata-dharma teaching, and practically He showed how to do it. That is His specially.\nLord Kṛṣṇa said, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]:\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\n\"You give up all your material engagements. Simply just surrender unto Me. I shall give you all protection from all reaction of your past sinful activities.\" Because we are creating our next body in this life. So if we become sinful, or if we act only sinful activities, then we get next body a very lower class of body, even as the germ in the stool. You see? There are so many varieties of bodies. And if we act nicely, piously, then we get better body. Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthāḥ.\nThose who are acting, those who are situated on the platform of goodness, they are promoting their existentional status in higher planets. Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthā madhye tiṣṭhanti rājasaḥ [Bg. 14.18]:\n[Those situated in the mode of goodness gradually go upward to the higher planets; those in the mode of passion live on the earthly planets; and those in the mode of ignorance go down to the hellish worlds.]\nAnd those who are in the modes of passion, they will remain here. And jaghanya-guṇa-vṛtti-sthā adho gacchanti tāmasāḥ: and those who are very addicted to all abominable habits, they are clearing their way to hellish life. So to abominable life is these four principles. That we are trying to avoid.\nSo Lord Caitanya's teaching, the sum and substance of His teaching, is to understand that we are eternal servant of God, and if we immediately engage our energy to satisfy Kṛṣṇa, then immediately we are transferred to the spiritual platform. And if we stick to that activities on the spiritual platform, then, as assured by Lord Kṛṣṇa, then, after leaving this body, we go back to Kṛṣṇa, Vṛndāvana, go back to Godhead, back to home. That is our peaceful..., eternal, peaceful life. We should endeavor for that.\nThank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances] [break]\n Where is that girl? [break] Hmm?",
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"content": "\n Why does Kṛṣṇa have an external energy?",
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"content": "\n Why not? First of all say why not. What is your objection?",
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"content": "\n Well, if He is pure, everything about Him is pure...",
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"content": "\n He is pure. He is pure, always pure. Suppose you are very nice girl, nice, but because you pass some urine or stool, does it mean that you are bad?",
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"content": "\n Does it mean? Then? The urine may be bad, the stool may be bad, but because you passed urine or stool, you are not bad. Is it clear? Kṛṣṇa has got this external energy. That does not make Kṛṣṇa bad. Try to understand it.\nIf somebody asks, \"Oh, you are so nice girl, nice... Why you are passing stool and urine?\" is that any argument? I am just speaking on the argument's sake. Is that any good argument, that \"Because we are very good, we shall not pass stool and urine\"? Or \"Because you are very good, therefore your urine and stool also will be very good\"? Is that any argument?\nSo similarly, if Kṛṣṇa has created this external energy, that is for His satisfaction. That's all. But why should you take? If you are..., if we are confident about Kṛṣṇa's goodness, why should we bother about Kṛṣṇa's stool and urine? Why not directly Kṛṣṇa? Let Kṛṣṇa pass any amount of stool and urine. We have nothing to do with that. So let there be external energy.\nWe have nothing to do with that. You cannot say, \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa is all-good. Therefore His urine and stool...\" I am... Just try to understand. His urine is also good. That is a different thing. I mean to say, if this is an argument, that \"Because Kṛṣṇa is good, He should not pass urine and stool,\" that is no argument. It is not...\nExternal energy is not affecting Kṛṣṇa. The urine and stool is affecting... There are some worms, they are very much attracted with the stool. You see? They are also creatures of Kṛṣṇa. Similarly, this material nature, external energy of Kṛṣṇa, is Kṛṣṇa's. There is... Undoubtedly, it is Kṛṣṇa's. But that worm class of living entities, they are attracted by it. You see? So we should not be attracted. That should be our... Because we are not going to be worms of the stool. Kṛṣṇa, if He cannot...\nThere are many arguments. If you ask question, \"Why the government has created this criminal department?\" is that valid question? The jail department is criminal department, prison, where citizens are put into jail and given trouble. So if the prisoner says, \"Why the American government has created this prison department?\" is that valid question? The American government may create prison departments, but why you are interested there? Why you are going there? The real position is: because you are criminal, therefore government has to create such department.\nSo this material energy is created by Kṛṣṇa because there are some living entities who are not to satisfy Kṛṣṇa but satisfy their senses. For them, it is there: \"All right. Your field of activities, here.\" So it is not Kṛṣṇa's desire. It is fulfill your desire. Because in the spiritual world, Kṛṣṇa is supreme, but if you cannot tolerate Kṛṣṇa's sup... Even here there are so many: \"Why there should be God? I am God. I am God.\" Are you God?\nBut you have got this mean mentality that \"I am God.\" You cannot qualify yourself. You do not know what is God, what is the meaning of God. You are claiming \"God.\" Because you do not want to serve God, that is your mentality. So for these last, lowest class of men, there is external energy.\n[break] ...class of men, they will not abide by the laws of the State. They'll repeatedly break it. Therefore, \"All right, you go there and do whatever you like.\" That is not government's intention, that people go there and indulge in unrestricted gambling and there... That Mr. Bhaṭṭācārya told me that sometimes some rich man goes there with all his wealth and stake it, and when he's lost, he fires himself, and the gambling managers puts him down and throws him in the... There is no law for such killing or such homicide or anything. Do whatever you like. You see? So there is a class of men.\nJust like a liquor shop. Liquor shop is licensed by the government. Does it mean the government is encouraging that \"You become drunkard\"? But government is giving this license because there is a class of men who must drink, and they will violate all... Say, \"All right. Let them have it.\"\nSimilarly, there are two kinds of living entities: nitya-baddha, nitya-mukta—eternally liberated and eternally conditioned. You see? So for the conditioned... They will never agree to abide by God. Therefore for them, this material world, the external energy: \"All right, you do whatever you like. You do according to...\" But still, there is canvassing work. Oh, God sends His son to canvass, \"Oh, this is not your right engagement. Please come back to home, back to Godhead.\"\nKṛṣṇa comes. God Himself comes. He sends His devotees. He comes as a devotee just to again reclaim them. But they are so stubborn, they will not give up this habit. Even in their so-called spiritual cultivation they are thinking that \"I am God. I am the mover of the sun. I am the mover of the moon. I am the supreme,\" in this way. That is the disease. You see?\nSo as for the diseased person, there is a hospital, there is operation is going on, so many severe things are going on, similarly, for the criminal there is prison department. So it is not the government's desire that there should be hospital or prison house. They can save so much money. But the people want it. A class of men, third-class men, they want this.\nThey want to be diseased. They want to be criminals. So there must be some department for them. Just like Monte Carlo. So this is a facility for the living entities, for the slight independence which has been given by God to them. That's all. So material energy is there not by Kṛṣṇa's own will. You want it; therefore there is. Is that clear? Yes. [break]\nThere will be no more. Is that possible? How many people are coming to become Kṛṣṇa conscious? You see? So therefore it must remain. Why do you grudge? But you be careful. [chuckles] That's all. That is your business. Any other question?\n[break]",
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"content": "\n ...withdraw that independence, can we request Kṛṣṇa to force us to surrender to Him, due to our conditioning?",
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"content": "\n Yes, you can request Him. And He sometimes forces. He puts you in such circumstances that you have no other way than to surrender to Kṛṣṇa. Yes. That is special favor. That is special favor. Yes.\n[pause] My spiritual master wanted me to preach, but I did not like it, but he forced me. Yes. That is my practical experience.\nI had no desire to accept the sannyāsa order and preach, but my spiritual master wanted it. I am not very much inclined, but he forced me. That is also done. That is special favor. When he forced me, at that time I thought that \"What is this? What...? I am committing some mistake, or what is that?\" I was puzzled. But a little after, I could understand that it is the greatest favor shown to me. You see?\nSo when Kṛṣṇa forces somebody to surrender, that is a great favor. But generally, He does not do so. But He does so to a person who is very sincere to Kṛṣṇa's service, but at the same time he has got slight desire for material enjoyment. In that case He does, that \"This foolish person does not know that material facility will never make him happy, and he is sincerely seeking My favor. So he is foolish. Therefore whatever resource, little resource he has got for material enjoyment, break it. Then he will have no other alternative than to surrender unto Me.\"\nThat is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, er, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam: yasyāham anughṛnāmi hariṣye tad-dhanaṁ sanaiḥ. [SB 10.88.8]\n[The Personality of Godhead said: If I especially favor someone, I gradually deprive him of his wealth. Then the relatives and friends of such a poverty-stricken man abandon him. In this way he suffers one distress after another.]\nKṛṣṇa says that \"If I do somebody special favor, then I make him poverty-stricken. I take away all his means of sense enjoyment.\" You see? That is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Because here in this material world everyone is trying to be happy by earning more money, by business, by service, by this way or that way.\nBut in special cases, Kṛṣṇa makes his business or service unsuccessful. Do you like that? [laughs] At that time he has no other alternative than to surrender to Kṛṣṇa. You see? But sometimes, when we are unsuccessful in our business attempt or earning attempt, we become sorry, that \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa is so cruel upon me that I could not trust in this.\" But that is His favor, special favor. You should understand like that. Yes. [end]",
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Just like the clock pendulum, this side and that side—tock, tock, tock, tock.\nSimilarly, we are oscillating: sometimes in the platform of enjoyment and sometimes on the platform of renouncement. Two things are there in this material world. The karmīs, they are trying to enjoy this world, whole day and night that expressway, always trucks and cars are going on—sohn-sohn-sohn-sohn. Bhoga, how to enjoy first class. Another, the hippies, they don't want to do anything. Both sides are there in your country, bhoga and tyāga. But in neither of the paths you'll be happy, because that is not your proper position. You cannot enjoy or you cannot renounce.\nActually, the whole thing belongs to Kṛṣṇa. Nothing belongs to anyone. Whatever you have got in possession, that is Kṛṣṇa's property. Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1]. Everything. You do..., you try to understand. The trees, the plants, the water, the land—have you produced it? Then how do you claim that it is your land, it is your country, it is your water, it is your tree? That is the wrong position. And similarly, tyāga, renouncement... What can you renounce? What you had? What is the meaning of renouncement? You had nothing.\nYou came here in this world from the womb of your mother empty-handed, a child. Then you falsely claim: \"This is my country, this is my home, this is my wife, this is my children, this is my property, this is my bank balance, this is my skyscraper building...\" All these false. Because you did not brought this. You came empty-handed, and when you go, you go empty-handed. The things are there. The bank balance is there. The building is there. You cannot take anything. So what is the meaning of bhoga and tyāga?\nThere is no meaning. Either now, neither able to enjoy, because it is not your property... If you want to enjoy others' property, then you'll be implicated in criminal offenses. And if you say others' property, \"I renounce this bank. I renounce this Bank of America,\" when did it belong to you, that you are making renouncement? This is all lunacy. Then, what to do?\nThat is direction given by Kṛṣṇa: sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. You have created different types of religion on the basis of this bhoga and tyāga. So you give up all them. Then? Mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja: \"You surrender unto Me.\" Because you cannot enjoy nor make any renunciation.\nBut here it is said tapasā, tyāgena: by renouncing. Renouncing means that you are falsely possessing. So you give it to Kṛṣṇa, the original proprietor. Just like one-hundred-dollars note, a child has taken from the father. The child does not know how to use that hundred dollars note, but he..., he'll not give it to the father. \"No, I shall not give it.\" Father is begging: \"Oh, my dear child, you are so nice. [laughter] Kindly give it to me.\" Actually the note belongs to the father. But because he's child, he's innocent, ignorant, he does not know.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa says, dadāsi yat kuruṣva mad-arpaṇam [Bg. 9.27]. Dāna, this tyāga, \"You renounces this world for Me. You renounce your wealth, your property for Me.\" The same thing. Everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa. He's not a beggar. But He's patting the child, \"Oh, you are very good boy. Kindly give it to Me.\" That is the way. Kṛṣṇa is so kind. Because... The same example: the child does not know how to utilize that hundred dollars note. He'll simply spoil it. The best thing is to give it over, hand it over to the father. He knows how to use it. It is his property.\nSimilarly, this tyāgena means to practice to give everything to Kṛṣṇa. Everything. Tyāgena. Śamena damena tyāgena. This is the different steps of elevating yourself to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Tapasā brahmacaryeṇa śamena damena ca, tyāgena satya-śaucābhyām [SB 6.1.13]. Satya means truthfulness. One should know what is truth, ultimate truth, Absolute Truth.\nWe are concerned with relative truths, but we have to know the Absolute Truth. Just like in the Bhāgavata Vyāsadeva is offering his respect, obeisances, satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi [SB 1.1.1]: \"I offer my respect to the Supreme Truth, not to the relative truth.\" We are concerned with relative truth, categorical truth, not the summum bonum. \nŚaucābhyām: cleanliness. This is also required. Cleanliness. You should take bath twice, thrice, at least once. That is hygienic. Bāhyābhyantara-śuciḥ. One should be cleansed. Bāhya means externally, and abhyantaram, internally. Externally, you take soap, water, soda and cleanse yourself, body. Take bath, cleanse, keep your clothings very cleansed. Unclean habit will not help you, unclean habit. Cleanliness is godliness.\nTruthful. Truthfulness. These are the qualities of brāhmaṇa. Satyaṁ śamo damas titikṣā ārjavam āstikyaṁ jñānaṁ vijñānaṁ brahma-karma svabhāva-jam [Bg. 18.42]. Those who are brāhmaṇas, they must be qualified with all these symptoms. Satyam. This satyam, truthful. How truthful? You, even before your enemies, you'll disclose everything. Such truthful. That is the instruction of ācāryas. We want to disclose everything, hide. But truthfulness means even to a enemy you should be truthful.\nSatyaṁ śamam. This śamam, controlling the mind. Damam, controlling the senses. Satyaṁ samo damaḥ śaucam, cleanliness. Ārjavam, simplicity. No duplicity; simplicity. Ārjavam āstikyam. Faith in Vedas, that is called āstikyam. Just like Bhagavad-gītā, part of Vedas. Here Kṛṣṇa says, \"I am the Supreme Lord.\" So you have to accept Him by faith. This is called āstikyam. Āstikyam, jñānam. Not foolishly, but with knowledge, full knowledge. And vijñānam, practical application in life. Brahma-karma svabhāva-jam. This is the natural symptoms of a brāhmaṇa.\nSo you are all initiated to become brāhmaṇa. You have become brāhmaṇa. Don't become false brāhmaṇa. Real brāhmaṇa. It is not by birth; it is by education, by practice, by knowledge. So we are offering the sacred thread to the Americans and Europeans in the Western countries, and some of our Indian contemporaries, they are not very happy with my action. They are under contemplation that a brāhmaṇa can be, I mean to say, seen by birthright. No. No. Brāhmaṇa is by qualification. Brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra. That is the verdict of Kṛṣṇa.\nWe are concerned with Kṛṣṇa, not any other else. Kṛṣṇa says, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13]: \"By division of quality and..., guṇa and work, one must have the symptoms, the quality of a brāhmaṇa and work as a brāhmaṇa.\" Not that... Quality will be tested by work. Suppose if you are engineer; you have got the quality of... But if you sit down at home, what is your value? You must be engaged in some engineer work.\nSuppose you are lawyer, and if you don't go to the court and sleep at your home, then what is the worth of your studying law? Therefore guṇa-karma. One should not be simply qualified as engineer or lawyer, but he must work also as engineer, as lawyer. Then he's bona fide. Similarly, unless you work as a brāhmaṇa, so simply saying that \"I am a brāhmaṇa,\" what is the value? Useless. They... Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ. There must be quality and work also.\nSo here we are qualifying the students to be raised in the brahminical platform, and they're working also as brāhmaṇa. How they are working as brāhmaṇa? Because they're fully engaged in Paraṁ Brahma's service, Kṛṣṇa's service. Therefore they are brāhmaṇa. Brahma jānāti iti brāhmaṇaḥ. Without knowing, nobody can render service. They are not rendering service in the ear. They are serving Kṛṣṇa factually. Here is sitting Kṛṣṇa with Rādhārāṇī. Therefore they're brāhmaṇa by quality and work. Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13].\nSo this is paraṁ satyaṁ dhīmahi [SB 1.1.1]. They are worshiping the Supreme Truth, Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is the Absolute Truth.\nīśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ\nsac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ\nanādir ādir govindaḥ\nsarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam\n[Bs. 5.1]\nCause of all causes. Relative truth is the effect of the Absolute Truth. But He's Absolute Truth. He's the supreme cause, and everything is effect. Cause of all causes. Sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam. Satya-śaucābhyām and... How these things can be executed? Yamena niyamena vā. Yama-niyama. The practice of yoga is based on this principle of yama-niyama, regulating—controlling, regulating. Regulation cannot be executed without control. Therefore yamena niyamena vā. These are the process.\nIf you want to elevate... Our topics began: the people are suffering. Although one knows that \"This is not good, what I am doing...\" He has heard, he has seen also the effect of it... The same example: A man who has stolen some property, he's arrested. And he knew it, that \"If I steal, I'll be punished.\" But he has done it, the same thing. He knew it.\nHe heard it from the police courts or from the śāstras that stealing is not good. He knew it. He heard it from authorities. Still, he has done it. So Parīkṣit Mahārāja's question is, \"What is this atonement?\" If he, although knowing and hearing, completely in knowledge, still he's forced to do something, to steal, or to something criminal, what then is the use of putting him into the jail or atonement? He'll come again, and again do the same thing.\nTherefore he's saying that actually atonement is knowledge. \"Why I am stealing? What is the use?\" Vimarśanam, prāyaścittaṁ vimarśanam. Vimarśanam means to be thoughtful. Without being thoughtful, philosopher, how one can understand what is his position? Thoughtful. And that thoughtfulness comprehends so many things. Tapasā.\nOne has to learn it by tapasya. Just like if one wants to pass M.A. examination, then he has to go school, follow the principle of the schools, college, study, and take some pains. Then gradually he'll come a passed M.A. student. And if he plays all the day on the street, how he can? That is not possible.\nTherefore the process is being explained by Śukadeva Gosvāmī: tapasā. First thing is tapasya, austerity. Even it is painful... Austerity's painful. Brahmacarya is painful. Because we want, unrestricted, to do everything. But no. As soon as it is regulated, it appears to be painful. When it is practiced, it is not painful. One brahmacārī in Indian city, in severe cold, he was sleeping in the open air, without any covering. And it was severe cold. But it is practice. During Māgha-melā, many saintly persons come there on the bank of the Gaṅgā, Ganges—this year we had our own camp; we have seen—the whole night they are sitting in the open air, without any covering. So practice.\nSo practice means if you undergo austerity, tapasya, everything will be practiced. That is a Bengali proverb: śarīre nā mahāśaya[?]. Mahāśaya is a word used in India, a very respectable gentleman, mahāśaya. So this śarīra, this body, is mahāśaya. Ya sa haye sa taicha[?]. Whatever he'll practice, it will be accustomed. So practice. So here this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is bringing them to the practice. Therefore you find so nice boys and girls. They're practiced. As soon as they're neglectful to the practice—falls down. They cannot stay. Immediately goes out. So that is called austerity, tapasya. Practice. Practical life.\nSo these are the processes.\ntapasā brahmacaryeṇa\nśamena ca damena ca\ntyāgena satya-śaucābhyāṁ\nyamena niyamena vā\ndeha-vāg-buddhijaṁ dhīrā\ndharmajñāḥ śraddhayānvitāḥ\nkṣipanty aghaṁ mahad api\nveṇu-gulmam ivānalaḥ\n[SB 6.1.13-14]\nVeṇu-gulmam ivānalaḥ. Just like there is a jungle—so many unwanted creepers—so you set fire. Everything will be burned into ashes, and the field will be cleared, cleansed. So it is said, deha-vāg-buddhijaṁ dhīrā dharmajñāḥ śraddhayānvitāḥ. Those who are dhīra... Dhīra and adhīra. Dhīra means sober and adhīra means extravagant. There are two classes of men, dhīra and adhīra. Here Śukadeva Gosvāmī's speaking of the dhīra. Who is dhīra? Dhīra means in spite of provocation, in spite of something present which agitates the mind, one remains, I mean to say, in his position, steady. He's called dhīra.\nThe dhīra example is given by Kālidāsa Paṇḍita, a great poet in India, Sanskrit poet, long, long ago. He has written one book: Kumāra-sambhava. Kumāra-sambhava. In our college we read that book in Sanskrit class. Kumāra-sambhava. So he has given one example of dhīra about Lord Śiva, Mahādeva. He was meditating, and the demigods, they had a plan, that \"The demons are fighting with us. We are being defeated. We want a commander-in-chief who must be born out of the semina of Lord Śiva.\" But he was in meditation. So how to do it?\nSo Pārvatī, she was sent. She was young girl. And she was worshiping the genital of Lord Śiva. So a young girl touching the genital, and she's present, but still Lord Śiva was in meditation. So Kālidāsa—here is the example of dhīra. He's called dhīra. In spite of presence of a young girl touching the genital, he's not, I mean to say, disturbed.\nJust like Haridāsa Ṭhākura. You have heard the Haridāsa Ṭhākura. He was chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, and somebody wanted to cut down. He was young man. So young prostitute was sent at dead of night. And he..., she proposed... Haridāsa Ṭhākura said, \"Yes, it is very nice proposal. Please sit down. Let me finish my chanting, and I shall enjoy.\" So it became morning. The prostitute became, I mean to say, perturbed. And Haridāsa Ṭhākura replied, \"I am very sorry. I could not finish my chanting. Please come this night again.\"\nThe first night, second night..., third night the prostitute fell down on his feet and said, \"Sir, this was my intention. I was induced to do this act by some man who is your enemy. So kindly excuse me.\" So Haridāsa Ṭhākura replied, \"I knew that. But because you came to me, therefore I allowed you to come here, three days, so that you may be converted to be a devotee. So now take these chanting beads. You sit down, go on chanting. I am leaving this place.\" Here is another dhīra.\nSo here it is said, deha-vāg-buddhijaṁ dhīrā dharmajñāḥ. One who has control, deha, the body; vāk, the words; buddhi, intelligence—they are dhīra. So this tridaṇḍī. This tridaṇḍī-sannyāsa means to become dhīra, controlling śarīra; deha, the body; vāk, words; and intelligence. These things should be utilized. How? By dhīra, those who are dhīra. Dharmajña: one who knows actually the principle of religion. Dharmajña. Deha-vāg-buddhijaṁ dhīrā dharmajñāḥ śraddhayānvitāḥ, kṣipanty aghaṁ mahad api.\nSo because our life is continuously committing sinful activities, from time immemorial... You do not know when it began. Evolution, many births. Therefore this life is meant for rectifying all mistakes that we had committed in our previous lives or in this life. How? By this process: kṣipanty agham. Agham means the resultant action of sinful life. Mahad api. Although it is very great, mahad api, how? Veṇu-gulmam, veṇu-gulmam ivānalaḥ. Just like if you set fire to the unwanted grass and creepers in the field. You set fire, and they will be all burned. Similarly, by this process, tapasā brahmacaryeṇa, you can liquidate all of your sinful activities of life and you become purified.\nSo the next process, another alternative process, is being suggested by Śukadeva Gosvāmī:\nkecit kevalayā bhaktyā\nvāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ\naghaṁ dhunvanti kārtsnyena\nnīhāram iva bhāskaraḥ\n[SB 6.1.15]\nKecit, not all. Kecit means somebody. Somebody, not all. Generally, people understand austerity or pious life by this process. What is that? Brahmacarya, śama-dama, yama-niyama, tyāga, renunciation: \"Oh, he's very pious man.\" But another man, kecit... That is also kecit, not all. Kecit means somebody. Kecit kevalayā bhaktyā. Simply by pure devotional service. Simply by pure devotional service, vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ, I mean, inclined to Vāsudeva, Kṛṣṇa. Vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ. Or somebody simply by becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious, aghaṁ dhunvanti, they kills all resultant action of sinful life. Dhunvanti. Aghaṁ dhunvanti kārtsnyena, wholesale.\nHow it is? Nīhāram iva bhāskaraḥ. Just like there is fog and, as soon as the sun rises, whole fog gone, finished. Very good example. The fog is dense; you cannot see the next person. It is so dangerous. When there is fog in the ocean, they stop all the ships. I have experience. And the aeroplanes, sometimes they clash; they move very carefully. It is very dangerous, fog. Those who are... But as soon as there is sunrise some way or other, everything finished. Similarly, some way or other, if you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, all the sinful reaction of your life immediately finished like the fog.\nSo, but... This process is accepted kecit, somebody, very fortunate. Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore said,\nei rūpe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān jīva\nguru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja\n[Cc. Madhya 19.151]\nThe Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not for ordinary person. It is meant for very, very fortunate person. But simply by accepting one thing, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he finishes all business of brahmacarya, tyāga, yama, niyama, śama, dama—everything.\nSo Śukadeva Gosvāmī is prescribing kecit kevalayā bhaktyā [SB 6.1.15]. Kevala bhaktyā. Kevala-bhakti. There is no mixture. Kevala means only pure devotional service. What is that pure devotional service?\nanyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ\njñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam\nānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-\nśīlanaṁ bhaktir uttamā\n[Brs.1.1.11]\nNo other desire than to please Kṛṣṇa. Not that \"I have become a devotee. Now my income will increase,\" or \"I shall be...\" That, that will come automatically. You want money to increase your income to become happy. But if you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, automatically you'll be so happy that you'll neglect to collect money. That will automatically come. There is no need of separate endeavor. Happiness will come. Yaṁ labdhvā.\nJust like Dhruva, Dhruva Mahārāja. He was so lamenting. Those who are recording, I mean, transcribing my tapes, how he was lamenting, that \"How foolish I was that I took to devotional service with a desire for some material profit.\" He was so much repentant. So that is..., that is another profit of the devotee. For material profit, somebody goes to somebody—some boss, some rich man, some demigod, some powerful man. But a devotee does not go anywhere. He goes to Kṛṣṇa only, even if he has got material desires. That is the advantage. This advantage: that if you go to Kṛṣṇa for some material advantage even, then day will come, you'll forget that material advantage.\nJust like Dhruva Mahārāja, he was repentant, that \"I came to Kṛṣṇa for asking some material...\" The example is given: Just like one has pleased a very big, rich man, and the rich man said, \"All right, you ask me whatever you want. I shall give you.\" So when he's asked to beg whatever he wants, then if he asks that \"Give me some broken rice grains,\" is that very good proposal? If he's asking that \"You can ask anything else from me\"—he's a rich man—ask him for millions of dollars or something like that. But instead of..., if you ask, for your foolishness, that \"Please give me some broken grains of rice...\"\nSo similarly, to go to Kṛṣṇa and to ask for some material benefit is exactly like this, to go to some rich man and ask from him, \"Please give me some broken grains of rice.\" Why one should ask for material happiness from Kṛṣṇa? Material happiness will roll on his feet: \"Please take me. Please take me.\" These Kṛṣṇa conscious boys and girls, in sixty centers, just see how they are materially opulent. They're living in the best house. They're eating the best food. They're in best consciousness. They have got the best hope. Everything best. Their feature of body is best. What you want material happiness more than this? They have got wife, children, happiness, home—everything—full.\nSo material happiness is nothing to a Kṛṣṇa conscious person. He gets automatically, by the grace of Kṛṣṇa. There is no need of asking for it. Simply be steady to ask Kṛṣṇa, \"Please engage me in Your service.\" Ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānuśīlanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. How Kṛṣṇa will be satisfied—then your satisfaction will automatically come. Don't bother for material happiness.\nThank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances] [break]",
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"content": "\n ...vāsudevāya. [Prabhupāda and devotees repeat] [leads chanting of verse, etc.]\nnigama-kalpa-taror galitaṁ phalaṁ\nśuka-mukhād amṛta-drava-saṁyutam\npibata bhāgavataṁ rasam ālayam\nmuhur aho rasikā bhuvi bhāvukāḥ\n[SB 1.1.3]",
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"content": "\n nigama—the Vedic literatures; kalpa-taroḥ—the desire tree;\n[break] —fully matured; phalam—fruit; śuka—Śrīla Śukadeva Gosvāmī, the original speaker of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam; mukhāt—from the lips of; amṛta—nectar; drava—semisolid and soft and therefore easily swallowable; saṁyutam—perfect in all respects; pibata—do relish; bhāgavatam—the book dealing in the science of the eternal relation with the Lord; rasam—juice (that which is relishable); ā-layam—until liberation, or even in a liberated condition; muhuḥ—always; aho—O; rasikāḥ—those who are full in the knowledge of mellows; bhuvi—on the earth; bhāvukāḥ—expert and thoughtful.\n Translation: \"Know, O thoughtful men, that Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the mature fruit of the tree of Vedic literature. It emanated from the lips of Śrī Śukadeva Gosvāmī. Therefore this nectarean fruit is all the more relishable by liberated souls.\"",
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"content": "\n Hmm. So, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the ripened fruit of Vedic literature. Nigama-kalpa-taru. Kalpa-taru. We have no experience of kalpa-taru within this material world, but in the spiritual world there is kalpa-taru. Kalpa means desire, and taru means tree. Here you can get from a mango tree mango, not any other fruit. But in the kalpa-taru... The description of kalpa-taru is there in the Brahma-saṁhitā: cintāmaṇi kalpa-taru.\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\nlakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.29]\nThere is Kṛṣṇa's planet. That planet is made of touchstone. We do not know whether anyone has got experience of this touchstone, but there is a touchstone which you touch on iron, it becomes gold. Touchstone. So in the spiritual world there are also houses like these trees, like this; there are cows, and the gopīs, Kṛṣṇa. So their description is given in the Brahma-saṁhitā. We should not think that we have imagined something artistic and created a Kṛṣṇa. No. It is completely supported by Vedic literature, Brahma-saṁhitā.\nSo in the Brahma-saṁhitā it is clearly stated about Kṛṣṇa's place, original place. This is also Kṛṣṇa's place. That is also Kṛṣṇa's place. But here, because we are forgetful of Kṛṣṇa, therefore we are accepting this place as material. Just like king: he possesses all the places of the country. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa is the proprietor. Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, sarva-loka-maheśvaram.\nbhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ\nsarva-loka-maheśvaram\nsuhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ\njñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchati\n[Bg. 5.29]\nIf anyone wants happiness, śānti, peace, then he must know these three things. What is that? That Kṛṣṇa is the enjoyer of everything. Kṛṣṇa says, bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram. You can perform yajña, you can perform austerities, penances, but the result should be enjoyed by Kṛṣṇa. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. When you come to that consciousness, that \"I am working hard and earning so much money...\"\nEveryone is thinking that \"I must enjoy. Why others?\" That is the materialistic way of thinking. But we are trying to change the consciousness. Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means that..., that you earn as much as you like, but the enjoyer should be Kṛṣṇa, not you. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not very difficult thing to understand. The only... We have to change the account. That's all. Everyone... The karmīs, they are working so hard, day and night. The ultimate aim is that he will enjoy; he'll satisfy his senses. Therefore he's working so hard. The Bhāgavatam therefore says,\nnāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke\nkaṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye...\n[SB 5.5.1]\n\"Simply for sense gratification we should not work so hard, because these things are done by even hogs and dogs.\"\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means that we have to change the account, not for sense gratification. Because real proprietor is Kṛṣṇa. When I think \"I am proprietor, I am enjoyer,\" that is illusion. That is illusion. Janasya moho 'yam ahaṁ mameti [SB 5.5.8]. So in the cintāmaṇi-dhāma [Bs. 5.29], Kṛṣṇa's abode, everything is there, but the account is different.\nThat is spiritual world. Here the account is different. Is everything there, but everyone is trying to enjoy for himself. There is competition. I am enjoyer, you are enjoyer; therefore there is competition. Individually, man to man, family to family, society to society, nation to nation, there is always competition. But this competition will stop as soon as there is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that \"I am not proprietor. We are not proprietor. Kṛṣṇa is proprietor.\" That's all. That is the means of śānti.\nbhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ\nsarva-loka-maheśvaram\nsuhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānām...\n[Bg. 5.29]\nThese three things, if we understand properly, that Kṛṣṇa is the supreme enjoyer, bhoktā; He's friend also. Kṛṣṇa is so nice friend that... Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61]. Kṛṣṇa, or the Supreme Lord, is situated in everyone's heart as friend. That is stated in the Upaniṣads.\nTwo birds are sitting on one tree as friend. One bird is eating the fruit of the tree, and the other friend is simply witnessing. He is friend, He's supreme friend, not so-called friend. Actually He's our supreme friend. He's always trying to get us back to home, back to Godhead. Not only He's sitting within our hearts, but He's descending as Kṛṣṇa.\nyadā yadā hi dharmasya\nglānir bhavati bhārata\nabhyutthānam adharmasya\ntadātmānaṁ sṛjāmy aham\n[Bg. 4.7]\nHe comes and canvasses. What is that canvassing? Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]: \"Why you are engaged in so many so-called occupations? You simply surrender unto Me.\" Ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi.\nBut we are so engulfed in matter that we cannot take the advice of Kṛṣṇa. Therefore Kṛṣṇa again comes as a devotee, Lord Caitanya. Lord Kṛṣṇa said that \"You surrender unto Me.\" Same Kṛṣṇa came as devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa. Bhaktākhyaṁ bhaktāvatāraṁ namāmi bhakta-śaktikam.\npañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ\nbhakta-rūpa-svarūpakam\nbhaktāvatāraṁ bhaktākhyaṁ\nnamāmi bhakta-śaktikam\n[Cc. Ādi 1.14]\nLord Caitanya's prayer.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is always trying. He's coming Himself as Lord, the Supreme Lord; He's coming as a devotee; He's sending His representative simply to canvass to come to the cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa [Bs. 5.29], where there is eternal happiness, desire trees... Therefore the Vedic literature...\nWhat is the purpose of Vedic literature? Veda means knowledge. Veda means knowledge. Vetti veda-vido jñānam. Anything from which you get knowledge, that is called Veda. So from the Vedas we have to acquire the supreme knowledge. Therefore it is called Vedānta. Vedānta means... We have got so many different types of knowledge, but what is the ultimate knowledge? That is called Vedānta. \nUltimate knowledge means to inquire about the Supreme. We are getting knowledge... We are inquiring, \"What is the newspaper today? What has happened?\" That is also knowledge. But that is not ultimate knowledge. Ultimate knowledge is Kṛṣṇa. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ [Bg. 15.15]. Ultimate... Vedānta means to know the Supreme Absolute Truth. That is ultimate knowledge. Vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ.\nsarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭo\nmattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca\nvedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyo\nvedānta-kṛd veda-vid eva cāham\n[Bg. 15.15]\nPeople are after so-called Vedāntists, but they do not know Kṛṣṇa, so-called Vedāntist. But one who is actually Vedāntist, he knows Kṛṣṇa. Therefore sometimes ago some of these Vaiṣṇavas, they gave me this title, Bhaktivedanta. Bhaktivedanta means ultimate understanding of Vedānta is bhakti, not to become impersonalist.\nSo here it is stated, nigama-kalpa-taror galitaṁ phalam [SB 1.1.3]. All the Vedas, they are summarized in the Vedānta-sūtra. You have heard the name of Vedānta-sūtra. So this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is explanation of the Vedānta-sūtra. Therefore from the very beginning of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, the first aphorism of the Vedānta-sūtra is there, janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]. In the Vedānta-sūtra the first quote is, athāto brahma jijñāsā, \"Now we have to inquire about Brahman, the Absolute Truth.\" That is the business of human being. Because in other life other than the human form of body, we have simply passed our time in the matter of bodily necessities of life, āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithunam.\nāhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithunaṁ ca\nsāmānyam etat paśubhir narāṇām...\n[Hitopadeśa]\nThe bodily necessities of life... The animals, they have also bodily necessities of life—āhāra, eating; nidrā, sleeping; and bhaya, fearing or defending; and maithuna, sexual intercourse. So the cats and dogs, they have got all these functions, and the human being has also the same functions. It may be little polished, but the function is the same. Then what is the extra business of this human form of life?\nIf you are simply engaged in these four principles of life—eating, sleeping, sex life and defending, or fearing—then what is the difference between a man and a dog? There is no difference. The only difference is athāto brahma jijñāsā. A man can come here in this temple and he can inquire about Kṛṣṇa, or the Absolute Truth. That is the difference.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means we are giving chance to everyone to come and inquire about Brahman. Athāto brahma jijñāsā. Or, in other words, the whole activities of this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is Vedānta life. Vedānta life. Anyone who is inquiring about Kṛṣṇa, inquiring about the Absolute Truth... Now there are different stages of inquiring about the Absolute Truth. That is explained in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam:\nvadanti tat tattva-vidas\ntattvaṁ yaj jñānam advayam\nbrahmeti paramātmeti\nbhagavān iti śabdyate\n[SB 1.2.11]\nThe Absolute Truth is one, but according to our understanding, some are accepting the Absolute Truth as impersonal Brahman, some of them accepting the Absolute Truth as the localized Paramātmā, and some of them are understanding the Absolute Truth as Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, or Viṣṇu. So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means to understand the Absolute Truth as the ultimate issue. That means to understand the Absolute Truth as the Supreme Person.\nTherefore Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is describing the Absolute Truth in the beginning, oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya [SB 1.1.1]. Vāsudeva means Kṛṣṇa, the son of Vasudeva. He appeared as the son of Vasudeva. But spiritually, unless one becomes on the position of vasudeva, nobody can understand Vāsudeva. Vasudeva is the name of śuddha-sattva, pure goodness.\nNot contaminated goodness. Here in this material world there are three types of status: goodness, passion and ignorance. So ignorance and passion, they're simply material. The symptom of ignorance and passion is greediness and lust. Above this greediness and lust there is another platform, which is Vedānta platform—to understand everything clearly. That is called goodness.\nNow pure goodness means one has to transcend even this material platform of goodness, because in the material platform of goodness there is possibility of being contaminated by the other two qualities, namely passion and ignorance. Sometimes it becomes mixed up. The material type of goodness is just like a pure brāhmaṇa—satyaṁ śamo damas titikṣā—with all the good qualities: truthfulness, controlling the senses, controlling the mind, full of knowledge, tolerance and knowledge... Knowledge means about the Supreme. These are brahminical qualifications. But sometimes these brahminical qualifications also become contaminated by the other two qualities, passion and ignorance. It has been experienced.\nAt the present stage also, we see that many persons who are coming from the brahminical family, but they have been contaminated by the other two qualities, passion and ignorance. So there is possibility. In the material goodness there is possibility of being attacked with the other two qualities and thereby fall down. But when you transcend the material platform of goodness and come to this transcendental platform of goodness, then you cannot fall down. That is called sattvaṁ viśuddhaṁ vasudeva-śabditam. That sattva, that existence of pure goodness, is called vasudeva.\nIn that pure transcendental platform of goodness you can understand Vāsudeva. That means in that status of life, Vāsudeva is born... Because Vāsudeva is already there; you simply realize Him. Vāsudeva... Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61]. Vāsudeva is already there within your heart, but you simply realize it by placing yourself in the pure consciousness, pure platform.\nSo this can be done simply by our discussion of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Therefore it is said here, nigama-kalpa-taror galitaṁ phalam idam [SB 1.1.3]. It is the mature fruit of Vedic knowledge. And śuka-mukhād amṛta-drava-saṁyutam. This Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam was written by Vyāsadeva. And it was spoken for the first time by Śukadeva Gosvāmī, his son.\nHe wrote this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam under the instruction of his spiritual master, Nārada, and he taught his son, beloved son, Śukadeva Gosvāmī, that \"You preach. I am writing; you preach.\" That is the duty of the student. The spiritual master writes, and it is a duty of the disciple to preach. And if the student is also as pure as the spiritual master, then it becomes very nice. Śuka-mukhāt. Śuka-mukhād amṛta-drava-saṁyutam.\nThe... Another explanation of this verse is that any fruit ripened in the tree, it is already very nice, very sweet. If you take an unripe fruit from the tree and keep at your home, it also ripens, but it is not so tasteful. If it is ripened in the tree and you take it, then it is very tasteful. I think you have got this experience. Again, if that fruit is cut by the lips or by the beaks of the parrot, which is called śuka, it becomes still more tasteful. Similarly, this fruit, the ripened fruit of Vedic knowledge, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, is already very tasteful because it is the ripened fruit, but it has been tasted by the lips of Śukadeva Gosvāmī; therefore it is still more tasteful. Drava-saṁyutam. Therefore it is recommended, pibata bhāgavatam, \"Now, this ripened fruit, just taste it,\" pibata, \"drink it.\" Pibata bhāgavataṁ rasam.\nWhen we eat something, we taste its rasa, the juice. Raso 'ham apsu kaunteya [Bg. 7.8]. Just like Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, \"Kaunteya, My dear Arjuna, I am the taste of the water.\" Everyone, when he's thirsty, he wants, \"Give me water, give me water.\" Because there is a taste in the water which will immediately quench your thirst. So we enjoy everything because there is some taste. That is called rasa. Anything we do.\nJust like a man, he's working very hard day and night. What for? For maintaining his family, his children and wife. So unless there is some rasa, some taste, he cannot work so hard day and night. There is some flavor in maintaining the family with hard labor. And sometimes we see therefore one who has no family, one who has no family affection, he does not work so hard. He doesn't care to work. This is practical. Therefore in the Vedic civilization the family life is recommended unless one will become confused, hopeless, because he has no taste for the family life. So everything there is some rasa, taste. Without that taste, nobody can live.\nNow here it is recommended, śrīmad-bhāgavataṁ rasam ālayam. Here is a taste which you can enjoy up to the end of your life or up to the point of liberation. Because life is meant for getting liberated from this painful material existence. That is life. Everyone is trying to get out of the painful situation. That is struggle for existence. But they do not know what is the ultimate life, free from all painful activities. That is called liberation. The whole Vedic civilization is based on this point, how to get liberated and enjoy eternal happiness.\nramante yogino 'nante\nsatyānande cid-ātmani\niti rāma-padenāsau\nparaṁ brahmābhidhīyate\n[Cc. Madhya 9.29]\nRāma. Rāma, this word, comes from ramaṇa, ram, ram-dhātu, \"enjoyment.\" Just like here in this material world they are also engaged in ram, ramaṇa, but that is sex life. That's all. That is sex life. That is also ramaṇa. But there is another ramaṇa, that is Rāma. If you take the shelter of Rāma, that is real happiness. Ramante yoginaḥ anante. Those who are yogīs...\nYogīs means transcendentalists. Those who are aspiring after spiritual perfection, they are called yogīs. So the preliminary yoga system that is practiced generally... Haṭha-yoga, aṣṭāṅga-yoga, that is preliminary. Nobody gets perfection even in the preliminary yoga system. And what to speak of further progress.\nSo the bhakti-yogī, those who are engaged in this bhakti-yoga system... Māṁ ca yo 'vyabhicāreṇa bhakti-yogena sevate. That is yogī. This yoga system:\nmāṁ ca yo 'vyabhicāreṇa\nbhakti-yogena sevate\nsa guṇān samatītyaitān\nbrahma-bhūyāya kalpate\n[Bg. 14.26]\nKṛṣṇa says, \"If you take to this bhakti-yoga system...\" What is that bhakti-yoga system?\nśravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ\nsmaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam\narcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyaṁ\nsakhyam ātma-nivedanam\n[SB 7.5.23]\nSo if you take to this bhakti-yoga system, avyabhicāreṇa... Avyabhicāreṇa means without any deviation; strictly on rigid principles. Māṁ ca yaḥ avyabhicāreṇa bhakti-yogena sevate. One who is engaged in the service of the Lord by accepting the bhakti-yoga system, sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate [Bg. 14.26], he immediately becomes transcendental to the three material qualities, namely the sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa and tamo-guṇa. And that is called mukti. Mukti does not mean that when you become liberated you'll have got so many heads or so many legs. No. Mukti means svarūpeṇa vyavasthitiḥ [SB 2.10.6], to be situated in one's original, constitutional position. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo this verse recommends that pibata bhāgavataṁ rasam ālayam. Rasam ālayam. Ālayam, laya. Laya means \"to merge.\" We are also merged into this material world. Just like your body, my body is material. But I am the soul, you are the soul. I am merged into this material... But because I am spirit, although I am merged, I am not getting happiness.\nJust like if you are put into the Atlantic Ocean, you merge, but because you are not the living entity of the water, you cannot be happy. You cannot be happy. That merging is there. You have to merge into the spiritual existence; then you'll be happy. That is bhāgavataṁ rasam ālayam [SB 1.1.3].\nThank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances] [end]",
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But these three things are the symptoms of spiritual existence: eternity, blissfulness and knowledge, sat-cid-ānanda.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is fully ānanda-cinmaya-rasa. Kṛṣṇa's pleasure, Kṛṣṇa's enjoyment with Rādhārāṇī, that is not material. If we take it as material, then there is mistake. Ānanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhi. Not only Kṛṣṇa, Rādhārāṇī, but in the Goloka Vṛndāvana, everything—the land, the water, the trees, the flowers, the cows, the cowherds boy—everything, they are expansion of Kṛṣṇa's internal potency, ānanda-cinmaya-rasa.\nĀnanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhis tābhir ya eva nija-rūpatayā kalābhiḥ [Bs. 5.37]. That is Kṛṣṇa's expansion of His own person. Just like when Brahmā stolen all the cows and calves and cowherd boys of Kṛṣṇa to test Kṛṣṇa, whether He is actually the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa immediately expanded Himself in the typical same way: all the cows, calves, cowherd boys.\nSo there, in the spiritual world, Kṛṣṇa's energy, everything there—variety, all variety. Here also, the varieties are there. That is expansion of Kṛṣṇa's material energy, and in the spiritual world the varieties are expansion of Kṛṣṇa's spiritual energy.\nĀnanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhis tābhir ya eva nija-rūpatayā kalā... Nija-rūpa, His own form, expansion. Goloka eva nivasati: Goloka Vṛndāvana. He is permanent resident there. Akhilātma-bhūto, but He is everywhere. He is, although situated in His own abode, Goloka Vṛndāvana, He's..., He can expand Himself. Because this material energy is also His energy, so from His energy He can manifest Himself anywhere.\nSo here the Lord Kṛṣṇa and Rādhārāṇī, that is the same Kṛṣṇa and Rādhārāṇī who are in the Goloka Vṛndāvana. It is simply expansion to give us facility to accept our service. I think I have given many times this example: Just like in front of your door there is a mailbox. That mailbox, although it appears to be small box, but it is Post Office. It is not different from Post Office. The practical example is that you place your letters within the box and it goes thousands and thousand miles away. Therefore it is Post Office. Don't think that it is different from the Post Office.\nSimilarly, ānanda-cinmaya-rasa expansion—this Deity. When you are worshiping this Deity, exactly just like you are posting your letters in the mailbox, it is accepted by Kṛṣṇa. Don't think that you are worshiping some doll. No. As the Post Office kindly places a box before your house to facilitate your business, similarly Kṛṣṇa, goloka eva nivasati, He is living in the Goloka Vṛndāvana, but He expands Himself as Deity to accept your humble service. Never consider that the Deity is made of stone or brass or wood or like that. Brass, wood, stone—everything is Kṛṣṇa, because everything is Kṛṣṇa's energy.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ khaṁ mano buddhir eva ca, bhinnā me prakṛtir aṣṭadhā [Bg. 7.4]. Me, \"It is Mine.\" So everything is Kṛṣṇa's, and from everything, Kṛṣṇa can appear and accept your service. This is the philosophy. He can appear Himself through stone, because stone is His energy. Just like if the electric power is running on, from anywhere you can take electricity, energy.\nSimilarly, his energy is running on everywhere, and you can take the facility of His energy from anywhere, provided you know how to take it. Electric, where insulation is there, but one who knows... I have seen in your country, the telephone man immediately comes and joins telephone. But he knows how to do it. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa can be manifested from anywhere, everywhere, from anything, provided you know how to do it.\nSo that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. We are teaching people how to see Kṛṣṇa everywhere.\npremāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena\nsantaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti\nyaṁ śyāmasundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.38]\nThat technique is love of Godhead. If you learn, it doesn't matter what religion you profess. It is no concern. We do not say that \"You become Hindu,\" \"You become Muslim,\" or \"Christian.\" No. We say that \"You become lover of God.\" You learn how to love God. Your loving propensity is there, but it is being misplaced. It is placed on dog instead of God; therefore you are unhappy. When your loving propensity will be placed in the proper place, you will be happy. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, love of Godhead.\nsa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo\nyato bhaktir adhokṣaje\nahaituky apratihatā\nyayātmā samprasīdati\n[SB 1.2.6]\nIf you want happiness, then you must learn how to love God. You are trying to love somebody, but you are being frustrated, foiled. Because except God, nobody is loving object. And if you love God, then naturally you love everything, because God is everything. The example is that if you pour water on the root of the tree, it goes everywhere—to the twigs, to the leaves, to the flowers, everywhere. But if you pour water on the leaf, it is localized; it does not spread. So we are manufacturing, inventing, so many humanitarian work, welfare work, but still, people are unhappy. Why? Because it is pouring water on the leaf, not on the root.\nSo learn by Kṛṣṇa consciousness how to love Kṛṣṇa and how to love your country, your society, your friends, everything. But without loving Kṛṣṇa, you cannot love. This is the secret. And if you love... Just like because I love Kṛṣṇa, therefore I have come to your country. I had no business to come to your country naturally. But we are preaching this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means we love everyone. We don't make any distinction. We love animals also. We don't like to see animal-killing. That is also one of our propaganda: \"No meat-eating.\" Why? To save the animals, because we love animals also. We love even the ant—because we love Kṛṣṇa.\nSo this is the technique of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that if you learn how to love Kṛṣṇa, then you will love everything. Otherwise, your love will be localized and you will be frustrated. It is most scientific. And our process is very simple: chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. That's all. Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa's name—nondifferent. So chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa means you are associating with Kṛṣṇa. That means you are directly in touch with the root of everything.\nSo by advancing in love for Kṛṣṇa, you can love your society, your country, your community, your family, your husband, your wife, your children, your friend—everything, complete, pūrṇam. Pūrṇam adaḥ pūrṇam idaṁ pūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate, pūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya [Īśo Invocation]. And that love will never be, I mean to say, ended. Pūrṇa. Love of Kṛṣṇa is so complete that you go on distributing this love; it will never be expended. It will remain the same stock.\nSo I am very glad to see you in this temple. Please try to understand our philosophy of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We have got books, and at the same time we have got the simple method, chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa, in which even a small child can take part. The small... Most erudite scholar also can take part, and an innocent child who has no education, no literary sense, he can also take part equally. And equally, both of them take the same advantage.\nA small child who comes before the Deity and dances and claps, he is getting the result. Don't think that it is in vain. He is also getting the same... Just like fire. Either a child touches or an adult touches, fire's action will be there, equal. Similarly, anyone who is coming in this temple, offering obeisances, taking little prasāda, joining with the chanting, hearing some talks—everyone will be benefited spiritually. That is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.\nThank you very much.",
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"content": "\n\noṁ ajñāna-timirāndhasya\njñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena\ntasmai śrī-gurave namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who with the torchlight of knowledge has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance.]\nYou can... Because I have not seen this ordinary... Bring it. Yes. Yes.\nśrī-caitanya-mano-'bhistam\nsthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale\nsvayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ\ndadāti sva-padāntikam\n[When will Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet?]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho\ndīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopīka-kānta\nrādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi\nrādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devī\npraṇamāmi hari-priye\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\nHare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Hare Hare\nHare Rāma Hare Rāma Rāma Rāma Hare Hare\n[My dear Lord, and the spiritual energy of the Lord, kindly engage me in Your service. I am now embarrassed with this material service. Please engage me in Your service.]\nLadies and gentlemen, boys and girls, I thank you very much for joining us in this evening of chanting together Hare Kṛṣṇa. The saṅkīrtana movement is a prescribed performance in this age. In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Eleventh Canto, Ninth Chapter, sixth verse, there is a statement that,\nkṛṣṇa-varṇaṁ tviṣā-kṛṣṇaṁ\nsāṅgopāṅgāstra-pārṣadam\nyajñair saṅkīrtana-prāyair\nyajanti hi su-medhasaḥ\n[SB 11.5.32]\n[In the Age of Kali, intelligent persons perform congregational chanting to worship the incarnation of Godhead who constantly sings the names of Kṛṣṇa. Although His complexion is not blackish, He is Kṛṣṇa Himself. He is accompanied by His associates, servants, weapons and confidential companions.]\nSu-medhasaḥ, this Sanskrit word, means intelligent persons. Medhas. Medhas means brain substance, one who has got very good brain substance. The brain substance... According to psychology, there is difference of brain substance. Not the brain substance equally, of equal weight, in every man's brain. You know, you are all educated students, psychology students. In our boyhood when we were a student in psychology class, Dr. Urquhart explained this brain substance. The man has got the highest brain substance—not all—up to sixty-four ounce. And woman has got the highest up to thirty-six or thirty-four.\nOf course, we are not discussing that point. Our movement is a spiritual movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is beyond brain. Indriyāṇi parāṇy āhur indriyebhyaḥ paraṁ manaḥ, manasas tu parā buddhir [Bg. 3.42].\n[The working senses are superior to dull matter; mind is higher than the senses; intelligence is still higher than the mind; and he [the soul] is even higher than the intelligence.]\nSo there are different platforms and status of consciousness. Bodily consciousness means sensual consciousness. Above that, there is mental consciousness, speculative, philosophical, poetic. Above that, intellectual consciousness. And Kṛṣṇa consciousness—above intellectual consciousness.\nSo the recommendation is... That was a topic between Mahārāja Nimi and great sages called nine sages, navayogindra. Nava means nine, yogindra means mystic yogīs. So they were talking, and Mahārāja Nimi questioned the different incarnations in different ages. And Camasa Muni was replying. In that replying, he said that in the Kali-yuga, in this age...\nThis age called Kali-yuga. This Kali-yuga has begun about five thousand years ago. So he said, \"In the Kali-yuga the process of self-realization is saṅkīrtana movement.\" Saṅkīrtana. Saṅkīrtana means bahudhā, bahubhir militvā. When congregational chanting is done, that is called saṅkīrtana. So in this age the saṅkīrtana movement is recommended.\nThere is no question of what is your religion, what is my religion. Everyone can join in this saṅkīrtana movement, without any discrimination. That is the recommendation. Yajñair saṅkīrtana. This is also yajña, sacrifice. You are sacrificing some time, your valuable time, in joining with us to perform the saṅkīrtana movement. That is a sacrifice. And sacrifice means to please the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Yajña. Yajña is the name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, yajñārthāt karma anyatra karma-bandhanaḥ [Bg. 3.9].\n[Work done as a sacrifice for Viṣṇu has to be performed, otherwise work binds one to this material world. Therefore, O son of Kuntī, perform your prescribed duties for His satisfaction, and in that way you will always remain unattached and free from bondage.]\nWhatever you have to act, you have to act on the basis of pleasing the Supreme Lord. In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavata there is another verse, that,\nataḥ pumbhir dvija-śreṣṭhā\nvarṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ\nsvanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya\nsaṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam\n[SB 1.2.13]\n[O best among the twice-born, it is therefore concluded that the highest perfection one can achieve by discharging the duties prescribed for one's own occupation according to caste divisions and orders of life is to please the Personality of Godhead.]\nŚrī Sūta Gosvāmī is addressing the learned sages assembled in a place called Naimiṣāraṇya. That place is still existing in India, in northern India. It is very old place. Now the place is named Nimsar, but original name is Naimiṣāraṇya. So in that Naimiṣāraṇya meeting, the president, Sūta Gosvāmī, addressed the brāhmaṇas.\nHe said, ataḥ pumbhir dvija-śreṣṭhā. Dvija-śreṣṭhā means in that assembly the high-class brāhmaṇas, very intelligent class of men, they assembled. So he addressed them, \"My dear learned scholars, brāhmaṇas, the duty of the human society,\" ataḥ pumbhir dvija-śreṣṭhā varṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ...\nThe duties are different according to different divisions of social order and spiritual order. That is Vedic civilization. There are four kinds of social orders and four kinds of spiritual orders. The social orders are the brāhmaṇas, the kṣatriyas, the vaiśyas and the śūdras; or the intellectual class of men... Brāhmaṇa means intellectual class of men—one who devotes his life only in studying Vedas and acquiring knowledge and distributing that. Every time, in every age, there is a class of men who are intellectual class. So this intellectual class of men is called brāhmaṇa.\nAnd the next class, the administrative class. Those who takes part in politics for administration of the state, government, they are called kṣatriyas. The actual meaning of kṣatriya is \"one who protects a man from being hurt by others.\" That is called kṣatriya. That means, that is the business of the administrators, government. So brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, then vaiśyas.\nVaiśyas means productive class, who are interested in producing things for consumption by the people. Mercantile class, industrialists, they are called vaiśyas. And the last class, fourth class, they are called śūdras. Śūdras means that they are neither intellectual, nor they're administrator, nor industrial or mercantile, but they can serve others. That's all.\nSo it is said that kalau śūdra sambhava. In the modern age, people are being taught in the university to become śūdra—neither brāhmaṇas nor kṣatriyas nor vaiśyas, generally. Because after education, they will have to seek after some service. He becomes a great technologist, but unless he gets a good job, his whole education is spoiled. You see? So therefore, in the Vedic śāstra it is said, in this age people are almost all śūdras. Kalau śūdra sambhava.\nSo the president of that meeting, Sūta Gosvāmī, said that it doesn't matter whether one man is brāhmaṇa or a kṣatriya or a vaiśya or a śūdra. This is social order. And then spiritual order: brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. Brahmacārī means student, unmarried student, without any sex life. That is brahmacārī. And then gṛhastha, householder. Those who are living with wife and children, they are called householder, gṛhastha. Then vānaprastha, the retired persons. And then sannyāsa. After retirement, one dedicates his whole life for preaching work, preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is sannyāsa order.\nSo this is... These four divisions are in the spiritual order, and the other divisions are in the social order. Human society without these eight divisions—means social divisions and spiritual divisions—it is not called civilized. They must have. Therefore Sūta Gosvāmī said the social orders are there, and the spiritual orders are there, and each and every order, there are prescribed duties. The brāhmaṇas, they are engaged in such and such things, the brahmacārīs are engaged in such and such thing, the kṣatriyas are engaged... There are different prescribed duties.\nNow Sūta Gosvāmī says that varṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ. There are divisions of duties and divisions of social and spiritual order. That's all right. But how one can understand that by executing his duty, he's going to the path of perfection? Everyone should be confident that whatever he is doing, he's doing for the perfection of life. That should be the aim of... In the modern education system... Not only education system; in every field of life, practically we do not know what is the ultimate goal of life. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ [SB 7.5.31].\n[Persons who are strongly entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is to return home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Viṣṇu. As blind men guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, materially attached men led by another materially attached man are bound by the ropes of fruitive labor, which are made of very strong cords, and they continue again and again in materialistic life, suffering the threefold miseries.]\nThey do not know what is the goal of life. The goal of life is Viṣṇu, or the Supreme Lord, or God. That one has to understand what is the Supreme Lord, what is Absolute Truth, \"What is my relationship with Him and what is my duty towards Him?\" These things are to be known, and one has to adjust his life in that way. So Sūta Gosvāmī says, never mind in whatever order one may be situated, the perfection is saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam [SB 1.2.13]. \n[O best among the twice-born, it is therefore concluded that the highest perfection one can achieve by discharging the duties prescribed for one's own occupation according to caste divisions and orders of life is to please the Personality of Godhead.]\nAtaḥ varṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ dvija-śreṣṭhā svanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya. One should try to test, \"How my duties are being perfectly done?\" That one has to see.\nSo that perfection is recommended, hari-toṣaṇam: whether by your duty, by your action, the Supreme Lord is satisfied. Just like we want to satisfy... In the schools, colleges, we want to satisfy our professor, teachers, principal. Or as good citizen we want to satisfy our government or...\nSimilarly, you have to satisfy somebody. That is the perfection. The highest perfection is to satisfy hari-toṣaṇam. Hari means the Supreme Lord, and toṣaṇam means satisfaction. Whether by your work and duties, discharging your duty, the Supreme Lord is satisfied—that is your perfection. But this is very rare thing.\nAt the present moment practically nobody has any information what is his relationship with God or what is God. Practically, they are declaring \"God is dead,\" and \"I am God, you are God, everyone is God.\" These things are all... \"There is void.\" \"There is no God,\" \"There is no control.\"\nSo, so many things are going on. That is the disease of this present age. And this movement is practically against this idea of godlessness, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. The whole idea of this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to fight against the idea of godlessness.\nSo the Bhagavad-gītā is there. We are fighting in two ways. One way is that this chanting, Hare Kṛṣṇa. Very simple thing. Everyone can join: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. By chanting this movement, by the vibration, gradually one's heart, which is so contaminated that he is denying the existence of God, will be gradually simplified or clarified. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nJust like the mirror, when it is overcast with dust, you cannot see your face nicely. But if you clear the dust, you can see clearly.\nSimilarly, our this disease, denial of God, or \"God is dead,\" \"There is no God,\" \"I am God,\" \"You are God,\" such kinds of conception is due to covering of material dust on the mirror of our heart. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam. If you simply chant this transcendental vibration, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare, you don't require any qualification and you don't require that you have to become intellectual man or an administrator or a productive man or...\nNever mind whatever you are; you be situated in your place, but you try to chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare. The result will be that your heart, the dust on the mirror of your heart, will be gradually cleansed. And when it is completely cleansed, then you will understand that you are not this body. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam [Cc. Antya 20.12].\nAll the problems of our life, whatever you may say—social, political, religious and whatever... There are so many problems. The whole material world is full of problems. These problems are compared just like blazing fire in the forest. Just like in the forest, there is fire, nobody can check. Although nobody goes to the forest to set fire, it takes automatically.\nSimilarly, in this material existence of life, we do not want any problem, but problems are created. Just like automatically there is fire in the forest without our endeavor, similarly, material problems are created automatically by our dealings, by our behavior.\nSo if you chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, the first result will be that you will understand your real, constitutional position, for which many great mystics, sages and saints are meditating, \"What I am?\" That, I mean to say, procedure of spiritual realization will be the first installment, your profit. You'll understand that ahaṁ brahmāsmi, \"I am not matter, I am spirit soul.\"\nAnd as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, as soon as one is self-realized, that is called brahma-bhūtaḥ. Ahaṁ brahmāsmi: \"I am not this body, I am spirit soul. I am part and parcel of the Absolute Truth.\" This realization is called Brahman realization. And as soon as you come to the platform of Brahman realization, then the result will be brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā [Bg. 18.54].\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nYou'll be joyful. You'll be free of all anxieties. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā. That is the sign. It is not that simply... I may advertise that I am self-realized, but my behavior will show whether I am self-realized or not. Everything is stated in the Vedic literature, that a brahma-bhūtaḥ person, a self-realized person, the symptom of the self-realized person is that he is joyful.\nBrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā [Bg. 18.54]. Without any anxieties. This materialistic life means full of anxiety always. And spiritual life means without this anxiety. Just the opposite. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā.\nAnd what is the symptom of being joyful? That is also stated: na śocati na kāṅkṣati. There is no lamentation for loss, and there is no hankering for gain. Everyone in this material world is hankering after some gain. And if you have got some gain, if it is lost, then he's lamenting, \"Oh, I have lost so much.\"\nSo these two business... Hankering, when we do not possess, we hanker. And when we possess, it is lost. Because everything... The material waves are such that whatever we possess, we shall lose it. We have got this nice body; one day we have to lose it. Everything. You possess and lose, possess and lose. Therefore the..., punaḥ punaś car..., the same thing repeatedly: gaining and losing, and lamenting and hankering, lamenting and hankering. This is the position of material life.\nSo in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati. As soon as you come to that platform, prasanna, joyfulness, then samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu. The next stage is that you look everyone on the same level. There is no distinction between black and white or the Indian or American or Russian or this and that. No. Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ [Bg. 5.18].\n[The humble sage, by virtue of true knowledge, sees with equal vision a learned and gentle brāhmaṇa, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste].]\nOne who is actually learned, he sees everyone on the same level of spiritual understanding. So brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu. This is the stage of acquiring Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg. 18.54]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nThen he comes to the standard of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or platform of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, when he can begin his duties in transcendental lovings towards the Absolute Truth. And when we begin that activity, that spiritual activity, then we can understand, bhaktyā mām abhijānāti [Bg. 18.55], what is God.\n[One can understand the Supreme Personality as He is only by devotional service. And when one is in full consciousness of the Supreme Lord by such devotion, he can enter into the kingdom of God.]\nThese are the stages. We cannot understand by speculative method. God is unlimited, and we are very limited. Our knowledge is limited because our senses, the instruments by which we acquire knowledge, that is imperfect and limited. Just like my eyes. I cannot see perfectly. I cannot see the eyelid. I cannot see the distant place. Although I am very proud that \"I want to see face to face,\" but what you can see?\nWhat is your value of your instrument, seeing? That is imperfect. Therefore we cannot get perfect knowledge by these imperfect senses. By sense perception, by direct utilization of our senses, we cannot get perfect knowledge. The perfect knowledge you can get when your senses have been purified to the perfect order. Then you can see.\nSo that stage is brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā. When you are on the brahma-bhūtaḥ, or spiritual, self-realization platform, then your senses are purified and you can see things in two perspectives. And at that stage, you can see God also. You can talk with God also. Just like in the Brahma-saṁhitā it is stated, premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti [Bs. 5.38].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is Śyāmasundara, Kṛṣṇa Himself with inconceivable innumerable attributes, whom the pure devotees see in their heart of hearts with the eye of devotion tinged with the salve of love.]\nYou have... Most of you know the yoga. The yoga system means to see the Supreme Person, or the Absolute Truth, or the Personality of Godhead, Viṣṇu, within your heart. That is the perfection of yoga. Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yam... [SB 12.13.1].\n[Sūta Gosvāmī said: Unto that personality whom Brahmā, Varuṇa, Indra, Rudra and the Maruts praise by chanting transcendental hymns and reciting the Vedas with all their corollaries, pada-kramas and Upaniṣads, to whom the chanters of the Sāma Veda always sing, whom the perfected yogīs see within their minds after fixing themselves in trance and becoming fully absorbed in thoughts of Him, and whose limit can never be found by any demigod or demon—unto that Supreme Personality of Godhead I offer my humble obeisances.]\nDhyānāvasthita, by meditation, one can see. So this perfectional stage can be achieved when you are in the brahma-bhūtaḥ stage, Brahman realization stage.\nSo Lord Caitanya said that if you chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, the first installment of your gain will be that your heart, which is contaminated now with so many materialistic dust, it will be cleansed. And next stage will be bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam [Cc. Antya 20.12].\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nThat means you'll realize yourself that \"I am not this matter, I am soul. And my relationship with God is this. God is like this.\" And gradually, you will develop your love for God. You have got that love. Dormant love is there, but because we do not know what is God, because we do not see the beauty of God, because we do not know the mercy of God, therefore our love has been forced or placed in the dog.\nInstead of God, we have placed our love on dog. So we have to simply change. Our love is distributed in the matter in so many ways. That will not make me happy, because I am not matter; I am a spirit soul. I have to transfer my love towards the Supreme Spirit, God, then I'll be happy.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is a process by which you can transform your love from matter to God. That's all. You have got love, but you are being frustrated. You are being frustrated. You are being baffled. Your love is not placed in the proper place. Therefore we have to make our choice, \"Where I shall place my love?\" Then I'll be satisfied.\nThat is replied in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam,\nsa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo\nyato bhaktiradhokṣaje\nahaituky apratihatā\nyayātmā suprasīdati\n[SB 1.2.6]\n[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]\nĀtmā, self. Everyone is seeking after peacefulness, peacefulness of ātmā, or self. So this is the process recommended. Not recommended; it is the fact, that sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo. In whatever occupation you are situated, doesn't matter. You have to see simply whether by your occupation the Supreme Lord is satisfied, or your love for the Supreme Lord is increasing.\nThat is the test of perfection. And when your love is increased in that way, adhokṣaje ahaituki—ahaituki means without any cause, without any reason, and apratihatā, without any impediment—then you'll see yayātmā suprasīdati. Your ātmā is fully satisfied. Svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi [Cc. Madhya 22.42]\n[“[When he was being blessed by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Dhruva Mahārāja said:] ’O my Lord, because I was seeking an opulent material position, I was performing severe types of penance and austerity. Now I have gotten You, who are very difficult for the great demigods, saintly persons and kings to attain. I was searching after a piece of glass, but instead I have found a most valuable jewel. Therefore I am so satisfied that I do not wish to ask any benediction from You.’]\n\"My dear Lord, I am now fully satisfied. I have no more any demand.\"\nThe material world, material life, means simply demands, increasing the demands. That is the modern way of life, increasing artificial demand and being frustrated. That is our life. But if you want satisfaction, not frustration, not bafflement, then increase your love for God. And the process is very simple, recommended in this age.\nYou haven't got to perform any severe austerity, penance, or you have got to go to the forest or Himalayan mountain or you have to do this, that. Nothing. You be situated in your place, whatever you may be. But if you simply chant this mantra, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare, you will gradually develop.\nYour first..., the first installment will be that your heart will be cleansed of all material contamination. Then you'll be situated on the brahma-bhūtaḥ stage. Oh, prasannātmā! Oh, joyfulness! Without being joyful, you cannot understand what is God. If your mind is disturbed always, you cannot meditate, neither you can understand what is God, what you are. It is impossible. Therefore we have to accept any process which can make me joyful.\nThat is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. We have got... Simply we are not chanting by sentiment. We have got enough literature, philosophy, background. It is not that we are sentimentalist. But this is a fact, that if you simply... You do not require to read all this literature. If you can, it is very good, but if you have no time, simply chant these sixteen words,\nHare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Make an experiment.\nWe are not charging anything. We are not cheating you, that \"Give me some fifty dollars or twenty dollars. I'll give you some secret mantra.\" No. It is open. You can take. Everyone can take. Everyone.\nWe are chanting. You can chant with us and practice it, and there is no hard-and-fast rules and regulation. You can chant anyway, anywhere. Whether you are in the college, whether you're on the street, whether you are sleeping, lying, or whatever, you can chant. Because God has given you this tongue and you can chant. And this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, a dog or cat cannot chant although he has got the tongue. So you have got the facility. By God's mercy you have got this facility to chant the holy name of God.\nIf you think that Kṛṣṇa is Indian God's name, actually it is not Indian God's name. Kṛṣṇa never claims that He's Indian or Hindu. Most of you have read Bhagavad-gītā. He claims everyone as His son. Not only human society—the animal society, bird society, beast society, plant society, aquatic society—all. Sarva-yoniṣu. Sarva means all. Yoni, yoni means species of life. Everyone, all living entities, Kṛṣṇa says. Kṛṣṇa must be... If He is God, He must claim that, that \"The material nature is their mother and I am their father.\"\nSo Kṛṣṇa is for everyone. Not that... Don't think that Kṛṣṇa is for the Indian or for the Hindus. No. Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa. This Kṛṣṇa is for everyone. For the human being, for the animals—everyone. So if you think that Kṛṣṇa is belonging to some particular country or religion, then you can chant your own way. If in your religion, in your scripture, there is any God's name, you can chant that also. Our only propaganda is that you increase your love of God.\nAnd the simple process is to chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. There is no charge for it. There is no loss on your part. There is no inconvenience on your part. At any moment, at any place. There is no restriction. So why don't you take advantage of this great boon to the human society?\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is not any sectarian movement. It is practically postgraduate movement of all religion. Any religion, they have got some idea of God. But here, we are explaining what is God, how great He is, how you can establish your relationship with Him. These things are there.\nSo any religious person, or any person, without being religious, if anyone joins with us in this saṅkīrtana movement, his life will be sublime. And our method is very simple. We place before you to judge and join with us. That is our request.\nThank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\nAny question?\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Apparently, there are two parts to this. The first, the kīrtana singing and dancing, to some extent resembles the rock music that appears in the Western world within the last five years. Very notably the Beatles song last year, \"Hey Jude,\" in the second part, is very similar in tune to this. The second, which is quite remote, but there is a connection—your message is similar in some ways to the message of evangelical or fundamentalist teachers in Christianity, who are taking the name of Jesus Christ...",
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"content": "\n That's all right.",
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"content": "\n ...and excluding everything other than complete devotion to Christ. Would you comment on this?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That's very nice. We completely agree. We say that chant the holy name of God. The vibration, the sound which you chant, that must be the holy name of God. Then it is all right.\nIt doesn't matter what is the language. Language has nothing..., no significance. But this word \"Kṛṣṇa,\" we consider it is transcendental vibration because all great saints and ācāryas, they chanted, especially Lord Caitanya.\nAs I explained from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, kṛṣṇa-varṇaṁ tviṣākṛṣṇam [SB 11.5.32]. \n[In the Age of Kali, intelligent persons perform congregational chanting to worship the incarnation of Godhead who constantly sings the names of Kṛṣṇa. Although His complexion is not blackish, He is Kṛṣṇa Himself. He is accompanied by His associates, servants, weapons and confidential companions.]\nKṛṣṇa varṇa, kṛṣṇa varṇayati. Lord Caitanya was always chanting, \"Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa.\" Therefore He is called kṛṣṇa varṇayati, kṛṣṇa-varṇam. Tviṣākṛṣṇam: by complexion He's not black. Kṛṣṇa was blackish, but Lord Caitanya, He was golden colored.\nSo kṛṣṇa-varṇaṁ tviṣākṛṣṇaṁ sāṅgopāṅgāstra-pārṣadam: always associated by followers. Yajñair saṅkīrtana, chanting and dancing with Kṛṣṇa's name. Yajanti hi su-medhasaḥ: this form of the Lord should be worshiped by persons who are intelligent.\nSo if you follow the method, evangelist, that is also very nice, or this method... The business should be that we must realize in this human form of life what is our relationship with God. If we fail to do that, then we are misusing this human form of life.\nIn the Garga Upaniṣad it is said, etad viditvā ya prayāti sa brāhmaṇa. Etad aviditvā ya prayāti sa kṛpaṇa. \n[“He is a miserly man who does not solve the problems of life as a human, and who thus quits this world like the cats and dogs, not understanding the science of self-realization.”]\nBrāhmaṇa, brāhmaṇa means broadminded, liberal. So one who... Everyone will die. The cats and dogs and human being, everyone will die. But the Garga Upaniṣad says that if one dies after understanding the science of God, then he is perfect.\nHe is brāhmaṇa. His life is broader, mahātmā. And if one dies without understanding this, he is kṛpaṇa. Kṛpaṇa means miser. Miser means... Suppose if you have got millions of dollars. If you cannot utilize it, if you simply waste it, then you are kṛpaṇa, miser. You do not know how to spend money.\nSimilarly, we have got this body which is worth..., not millions—trillions, and more than that, because we can realize in this life what is our relationship with God, what is God. We can understand. But if we don't do that, simply we waste our time in sense gratification, then we are kṛpaṇa, miser. We are losing our opportunity. So these things are there.\nSo in whatever way you like, either this evangelistic way or this way or that way, try to understand what is God and what is your relationship with God, and try to invoke your dormant love of God. Then your life will be perfect. That is our mission. If you have got your own method, that's all right. You take it. Otherwise we are giving this method, very simple. You take it. Your life will be sublime. That is our request.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n ...question you stated. If [we devote] time trying to figure out our relationship to God, perhaps that takes time away from trying to figure out our relationship with all men. And I think I would anticipate your answer, I think, upon the... You're talking about ātmā, and if one clearly has perception of the reality of their own ātmā, he would also see others as himself. Right? And to know his self and his God through others.\nBut that doesn't really answer. It doesn't mean we'll be able to decrease that condition. A lot of people suffer in this world, and they suffer for pretty indefiable[?] reasons: economic exploitation, racists trying to put structures, militaristic powers. And it seems somehow we might be able to do something to attack those kinds of evils and suffering in the world, other than telling a man to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and the world will be solved.",
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"content": "\n That is automatically solved. If you chant, if you come to this God consciousness, those things will be automatically solved. Just like if you get million dollars, then your fifty dollars' business will be automatically solved.",
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"content": "\n Yeah, I guess that you could believe that.",
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"content": "\n Not believe. Is practical.",
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"content": "\n And I think the reason I don't believe that is because history has told me differently. History has told me that people who have managed to achieve freedom for themselves have not achieved it by doing something like chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. And I refer you to...",
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"content": "\n You can show in the history there was chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa? Is there any history?",
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"content": "\n I won't say chanting only Hare Kṛṣṇa, but give you a similar time and place.",
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"content": "\n What is that similar time?",
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"content": "\n Well, in Russia, in the nineteenth century, there were people who were religious, who traveled the countryside chanting the word \"Jesus Christ.\" It was quite prominent then. Tolstoy tells us about it. And I would assume that a similar kind of teaching was given. The only problem I see with that is that I don't think it would solve the very basic human problems.",
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"content": "\n So do you think that Russia has solved their questions? That their problems, all problems are solved?",
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"content": "\n I would say that in 1917 the state of the Russian peasants was fundamentally better by the Revolution.",
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"content": "\n Well, the history will repeat itself again. It will be wars again. So do you think by adopting the Russian method, people have become very happy?",
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"content": "\n Then? So we manufacture something. This material world is like that, problematic. That I have already explained. Just like the blazing fire. So the answer is given in the Bhagavad-gītā, daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama duratyayā [Bg. 7.14].\n[This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.]\nIn this material world, the onslaught of the material nature is very, very severe. Nobody can surpass it. In some way or other it will come in a different form. The problem will not be solved. The problem can be solved, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te, when one surrenders unto God, Kṛṣṇa.\nThen he can surpass this onslaught of material nature. So that is the real remedy. Unfortunately, people does not take that process. But if anyone accepts this process, his problems are solved. That is the fact. That is the fact.\nBut we do not expect that everyone can accept this process. But if anyone can accept this process, at least his personal problems will be solved. But it is the duty of such God conscious persons to distribute the message. If anyone likes, he can take, he can solve his problems. And if he does not take, that business is the own business. What can I do?\nBut any material method, either this Russian method or American method or Indian method, anything, materialistic method, that cannot solve the material problems. That is a fact. If you want to solve all the problems, then you have to invoke your dormant love for God. That is the solution. There is no other solution.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n I was wondering how important the choice of words are to the chanting. And if, perhaps, if you just count to ten in your mind or out loud, I thought it might work just as well.\n [explaining] \"Could you just count numbers and think about God and that would work just as well? Are the names important?\"",
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"content": "\n Count words?",
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"content": "\n Could you just count—one, two, three, four—and that would work just as well.",
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"content": "\n Well, that is not possible, of course, but as soon as stop counting, you can chant. [laughter] That's not difficult.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n What is consciousness?",
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"content": "\n Consciousness is very difficult to understand? Now you are talking, and when you don't talk, you lie down. People will say this man has become unconscious. So this is the distinction. When you are in full knowledge of things, that is consciousness.\nIt is not difficult to understand. Sometimes teachers say to the student, \"Do it conscientiously, with attention.\" When our full attention is there, full absorption, full concentration of the mind, that is consciousness.\nAnd another way of consciousness is the feeling which is spread all over your body. Just like I pinch over your head or any part of your body, you feel—that is consciousness. But when this body is dead or when you are out of this body, if I chop up your body, there is no consciousness. That is the distinction between consciousness.\nAvināśi tu tad viddhi yena sarvam idaṁ tatam\n[Bg. 2.17].\n[Know that which pervades the entire body is indestructible. No one is able to destroy the imperishable soul.]\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā the consciousness is stated: avināśi. Avināśi means cannot; never dies. Always living. Avināśi tu tad viddhi. You just try to understand that thing without always living. What is that? Yena sarvam idaṁ tatam—by which your whole body is spread by air. And anywhere of your body, that consciousness is spread. And that substance, consciousness, is always living. When you leave this body this consciousness goes to another body.\nJust like the air passes, the flavor the air carries, from one garden to another place, similarly, this consciousness will carry you to another body after your death. After you leave this body... Just like we are changing our consciousness also from childhood consciousness to boyhood, boyhood to youthhood, and the old age.\nThe consciousness is carrying me although the body is changing. Similarly, when you change this body, the consciousness will carry you to another body. That consciousness is always living. It is never dead. So much explanation is you've [indistinct]\n[break] Because they don't take it.",
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"content": "\n Then why are we born without feeling.",
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"content": "\n That's your independence. If you like, you can take it. If you don't like, you don't take it. There are so many things. If you like, you take it; if you don't like, you don't take it. There is no enforcement. Every individual soul has got little independence. Not full independence.\nThat can be used properly; that can be misused also. That depends on me. I am the master. So similarly... Just like the government. The government does not force anybody to go to the criminal department, neither government forces anybody to come to the university department. It is your individual liberty. You become criminal or a high standard scholar.\n[break] ...has to make his choice. He has got the freedom. He may be Kṛṣṇa conscious or he may be material conscious. If he's material conscious, he'll never be happy. If he becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious, he'll be always happy. Now it is up to you whether to accept this or that.",
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"content": "\n How would you say the chant in English?",
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"content": "\n Chant in English?",
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"content": "\n Yes. How would you say it in English?\n He wants a translation in English.",
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"content": "\n So there are many boys. You can have the translation. We have got our translation in many literatures. In our paper, Back to Godhead, in many books. We have got many books. So translation is there. We are simply publishing so many English translation. So there is no scarcity of translation.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Are you happy always in reflection?",
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"content": "\n What do you think? What do you think? I'm happy or not happy? What is your opinion? And if I say false, why do you believe? If I say falsely, \"I am happy,\" will you believe it? If I say falsely, \"I am happy,\" will you take it?",
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"content": "\n That I don't know.",
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"content": "\n Yes?",
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"content": "\n If I can rephrase that, if you were American, how would you say the chant? In other words, I know it has many translations, but what would it mean to you? How would you say it in English?",
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"content": "\n English, the translation... What is that?",
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"content": "\n These words are Sanskrit. He wants to know if they were English what would they be?",
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"content": "\n Well, proper names cannot be translated. You know that. Suppose if your name is John, and if I come from India I cannot translate into Indian language. I have to speak \"John.\" You see? Just like people say \"Swami Bhaktivedanta.\" Is there any translation, \"Bhaktivedanta Swami\"? Proper noun is never translated. That everyone knows.\nBut the meaning can be translated. So we have got translation of the meaning, what is this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra means. But so far chanting is concerned, that if I call you, you are American boy, Mr. John, so I'll have to call you Mr. John. I cannot translate into Sanskrit and call you.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n How important is your diet?",
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"content": "\n Oh, that is a very important thing. If you read Dr. George Bernard Shaw's book, You Are What You Eat, you see. So if you eat like human being, then you can increase your qualities of human being. If you eat like cats and dogs, you increase the quality of cats and dogs. That's all. So we must have discrimination what to eat.\nThat is there in the human world. Eating is there, but everything eatable. Even stool is eatable by a certain kind of animal, but that does not mean that stool has to be eaten by human being. Human being must have discretion what kind of food will be just suitable for my health, for my intelligence, for my brain. So these things are prescribed.\nIf we eat things which are in goodness... They are prescribed in the Vedic literature that wheat, rice, sugar, milk product, vegetables, fruits, these things are in goodness. So if you want to increase your quality of goodness, that is required for God realization. Unless you are situated in the quality of goodness, you cannot be promoted to the higher platform.\nSo your eating should be arranged within this group: rice, wheat, sugar, milk product, vegetables and fruits. In your country you have got enough nice grains, nice fruits, enough supply of milk, butter. So there is no question of accepting any other food. You can accept foodstuff within this group and become healthy and good brain, good conscience. You can engage yourself in God consciousness. That is possible.\nSo therefore, \"Discrimination is the best part of valor.\" We should discriminate what kind of food we should eat. We cannot eat anything and everything. That discrimination must be there.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Would it not be better if intellectual [indistinct] and would it not be better for them to leave the father and devote their status, instead, to the Lord?[?]",
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"content": "\n Of course, in the beginning I said that there is no question of changing your position. In whatever position you are, either you are a student or a lawyer or something else, you can chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and realize yourself. We don't recommend that you change your position. That is not our recommendation.\nBut if you can [be] fully devoted in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that is very nice. But don't do it whimsically. There will be a mature platform when you can do that. Just like I was a family man; I was living with my family. I have got my wife, sons, daughters, grandchildren. So in this old age I left them. So I'm not in difficulty, although I am alone. I came in your country alone. That's a long history.\nSo that dependence on God, when you actually develop, then you can give up everything, depend only on God. But don't do it by whimsically. No. That will not do. You stay in your position, realize yourself, then time will come when God will dictate you, \"You can do..., become free from all obligation.\"\nSo please join with us in the kīrtana.\n[74:24]\n[kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] All glories to the assembled devotees. All glories to the assembled devotees. [obeisances]\nHare Kṛṣṇa. So this is very simple method: chant, dance, eat nicely, and realize God.\nFirst of all give to the audience, then...\n[devotees chanting japa]\nWhy don't you collect something, door? [end]",
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"content": "\n Śrīla Prabhupāda, earlier today we were discussing the need to practice austerity in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Can you say something more about that?\n Yes, under the direction of the spiritual master one should practice austerities. You have no mind to follow austerities, but when you accept a spiritual master you have to carry out his order. That is austerity.",
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"content": "\n Even if you don’t want to practice austerity, you must.",
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"content": "\n Yes, you must. Because you have surrendered to your spiritual master, his order is final. So even if you don’t like it, you have to do it. To please me.",
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"content": "\n Ah.",
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"content": "\n But you don’t like it. [He laughs.] Nobody likes to fast, but the spiritual master says, “Today, fasting,” so what can be done? [Śyāmasundara laughs.] A disciple is one who has voluntarily agreed to be disciplined by the spiritual master. That is austerity.",
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"content": "\n Many people in the material world may be completely enamored by material life, and they don’t want to undergo any austerity or bodily pain, but still they must. They are forced by nature to suffer austerities.",
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"content": "\n That is forced austerity. That is not good. Only voluntary austerity will help.",
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"content": "\n But if you don’t undergo voluntary austerity, then you must be forced to undergo austerity?",
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"content": "\n That is the difference between man and animal. An animal cannot accept austerity voluntarily, but a man can accept it. Suppose there are some nice sweetmeats in the confectioner’s shop. A man wants to eat them, but he sees that he has no money so he restrains himself. But when a cow comes, immediately she pushes her mouth in. You may beat her with a stick, but she will tolerate it. Therefore an animal cannot undergo austerity. \nBut our austerity is very nice. We chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and dance, and then Kṛṣṇa sends very nice food and we eat. That’s all. Why are you not agreeable to such austerity? Chanting, dancing, and eating nicely? And because we are following austerities, Kṛṣṇa sends us nice things. So we are not losers. When you become Kṛṣṇaized, you get more comforts than at the present moment. That’s a fact. I have been living alone for the last twenty years, but I have no difficulties. Before taking sannyāsa I was living in Delhi. And although I was living alone, I had no difficulties.",
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"content": "\n If you don’t accept spiritual discipline, then nature will force so many calamities.",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. Kṛṣṇa states that in the Bhagavad-gītā [7.14]:\ndaivī hy eṣā guṇa-mayī\n \nmama māyā duratyayā\nmām eva ye prapadyante\n \nmāyām etāṁ taranti te\n[“This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.”] Māyā is imposing so many difficulties, but as soon as you surrender to Kṛṣṇa, no more imposition.",
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"content": "\n We were so foolish that we were always thinking, “In the future I’ll be happy.”",
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"content": "\n Yes, that is māyā, illusion. That is like the ass. You sit down on the back of the ass and hold a morsel of food in front of its face. The ass is thinking, “Let me go forward a little, and I shall get the grass.” [Bob laughs.] But it is always one foot distant. That is ass-ism. [They all laugh.] Everyone is thinking, “Let me go a little forward, and I’ll get it. I’ll be very happy.”\n[There is a long pause, filled with the sound of bicycle horns, children playing, and throngs of people calling to one another.]",
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"content": "\n I thank you so much. Tomorrow I’ll have to leave you.",
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"content": "\n Don’t talk l-e-a-v-e, but talk l-i-v-e.",
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"content": "\n I cannot yet. I must return to my town tomorrow.",
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"content": "\n Don’t return.",
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"content": "\n I should stay here tomorrow?",
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"content": "\n Stay here.",
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"content": "\n If you tell me to, I’ll stay.",
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"content": "\n Yes, you are a very good boy. [There is a long pause. It is now much quieter.] It is very simple. When the living entities forget Kṛṣṇa, they are in this material world. “Kṛṣṇa” means His name, His form, His abode, His pastimes – everything. When we speak of a king, it means the king’s government, his palace, his queen, his sons, his secretaries, his military strength, his activities – everything. Is it not?",
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"content": "\n Similarly, since Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, as soon as we think of Kṛṣṇa, this means we are in touch with Kṛṣṇa and all His energies. That is complete by saying “Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa.” Rādhā represents all the energies of Kṛṣṇa, and Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Lord. So when we speak of Kṛṣṇa, the living entities are also included because the living entities are one of the energies of Kṛṣṇa – His superior energy. When this energy is not serving the energetic, that is material existence. The whole world is not serving Kṛṣṇa. Or, they are serving Kṛṣṇa indirectly, just as disobedient citizens serve the government indirectly. Prisoners come to the prison house on account of their disobedience of the laws of the state. But in the prison house they are forced to obey the laws of the state. Similarly, all the living entities here are godless, either by ignorance or by choice. They do not like to accept the supremacy of God. Demoniac. So we are trying to bring them to their original condition. That is the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.",
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"content": "\n I’d like to ask you about something I talked with the devotees about: medicine. I walked to the river with some devotees today. I have a cold, so I said I shouldn’t go in the water. Some felt I should because it is the Ganges, and some said I shouldn’t because I have a cold, and we were talking, and I don’t understand. Do we get sick because of our bad actions in the past?",
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"content": "\n Yes, that’s a fact. Any kind of distress we suffer is due to our impious activities in the past.",
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"content": "\n But when someone is removed from karmic influence, does he still get sick?",
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"content": "\n No. Or, even if he gets sick, that is very temporary. For instance, this fan is moving. If you disconnect the electric power, the fan will move for a few moments. That movement is not due to the electric current. It is due to – what is it called?",
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"content": "\n Momentum.",
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"content": "\n Momentum. But as soon as the momentum is gone, no more movement. Similarly, even if a devotee who has surrendered to Kṛṣṇa is suffering from material consequences, that is temporary. Therefore, a devotee does not take any material miseries as miseries. He takes them as Kṛṣṇa’s, God’s, mercy.",
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"content": "\n That attitude seems possible only for a perfected soul.",
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"content": "\n A perfected soul is one who engages twenty-four hours a day in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is perfection. That is a transcendental position. Perfection means to engage in one’s original consciousness. That Kṛṣṇa states in the Bhagavad-gītā [8.15]:\nmām upetya punar janma\n \nduḥkhālayam aśāśvatam\nnāpnuvanti mahātmānaḥ\n \nsaṁsiddhiṁ paramāṁ gatāḥ\n“Anyone who comes to Me does not return to this miserable, temporary material world. That is complete perfection.” Saṁsiddhi. Siddhi is perfection. That is Brahman realization, spiritual realization. And saṁsiddhi means devotion, which comes after Brahman realization.",
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"content": "\n Could you just say that last thing again please?",
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"content": "\n Saṁsiddhi.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Sam means “complete,” and siddhi means “perfection.” In the Bhagavad-gītā it is stated that one who goes back home, back to Godhead, has attained complete perfection. So perfection comes when one realizes that he is not this body; he is spirit soul. That is the brahma-bhūta stage, called Brahman realization. That is perfection. And saṁsiddhi, complete perfection, comes after Brahman realization, when one engages in devotional service. Therefore if one is already engaged in devotional service, it is to be understood that Brahman realization is there. Therefore it is called saṁsiddhi.",
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"content": "\n I ask you this very humbly, but do you feel diseases and sickness?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Is this a result of your past karma?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n So one in this material world never escapes his karma completely?",
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"content": "\n Yes, he escapes. No more karma for a devotee. No more karmic reaction.",
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"content": "\n But you must be the best devotee.",
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"content": "\n No, I don’t consider myself the best devotee. I am the lowest.",
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"content": "\n No!",
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"content": "\n You are the best devotee.",
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"content": "\n [Laughs.] Oh, no, no! What you say always seems right, so you must be the best devotee.",
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"content": "\n The thing is that even the best devotee comes to the second-class platform when he preaches.",
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"content": "\n What would the best devotee be doing?",
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"content": "\n The best devotee does not preach.",
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"content": "\n What does he do?",
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"content": "\n He sees that there is no need of preaching. For him, everyone is a devotee. [Bob laughs heartily.] Yes, he sees no more nondevotees – all devotees. He is called an uttama-adhikārī. But while I am preaching, how can I say I am the best devotee? Just like Rādhārāṇī – She does not see anyone as a nondevotee. Therefore we try to approach Rādhārāṇī.",
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"content": "\n Who is this?",
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"content": "\n Rādhārāṇī, Kṛṣṇa’s consort.",
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"content": "\n Ah.",
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"content": "\n If anyone approaches Rādhārāṇī, She recommends to Kṛṣṇa, “Here is the best devotee; he is better than Me,” and Kṛṣṇa cannot refuse him. That is the best devotee. But it is not to be imitated: “I have become the best devotee.” Āśvare tad-adhīneṣu bāliśeṣu dviṣatsu ca. A second-class devotee has the vision that some are envious of God, but this is not the vision of the best devotee. The best devotee sees, “Nobody is envious of God. Everyone is better than me.” Just like Caitanya-caritāmṛta’s author, Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja. He says, “I am lower than the worm in the stool.”",
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"content": "\n Who is saying this?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja, the author of Caitanya-caritāmṛta: purīṣera kīṭa haite muñi se laghiṣṭha. He is not making a show. He is feeling like that. “I am the lowest. Everyone is best, but I am the lowest. Everyone else is engaged in Kṛṣṇa’s service, but I am not engaged.” Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, “Oh, I have not a pinch of devotion to Kṛṣṇa. I cry to make a show. If I had been a devotee of Kṛṣṇa, I would have died long ago. But I am living. That is the proof that I do not love Kṛṣṇa.” That is the vision of the best devotee. He is so much absorbed in Kṛṣṇa’s love that he says, “Everyone else is a devotee, but I am the lowest. Therefore I cannot see God.” That is the best devotee.",
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"content": "\n So a devotee must work for everybody’s liberation?",
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"content": "\n Yes. A devotee must work under the direction of a bona fide spiritual master, not imitate the best devotee.",
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"content": "\n Once you said that sometimes you feel sickness or pain due to the sinful activities of your devotees. Can disease sometimes be due to that? ",
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"content": "\n You see, Kṛṣṇa says, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ: “I will deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.” Kṛṣṇa is so powerful that He can take up all the sins of others and immediately make them right. But when a living entity acts on behalf of Kṛṣṇa, he also takes the responsibility for the sinful activities of his devotees. Therefore to become a guru is not an easy task. You see? He has to take all the poisons and absorb them. So sometimes – because he is not Kṛṣṇa – there is some trouble. \nTherefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu has forbidden, “Don’t make many disciples.” But for preaching work, to expand the preaching, we have to accept many disciples, even if we suffer. That’s a fact. The spiritual master has to take the responsibility for all the sinful activities of his disciples. Therefore to make many disciples is a risky job unless one is able to assimilate all the sins.\nvāñchā-kalpa-tarubhyaś ca\n \nkṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvanebhyo\n \nvaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\n[“I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. Just like desire trees, they can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.”] The spiritual master takes responsibility for all the fallen souls. That idea is also in the Bible. Jesus Christ took all the sinful reactions of the people and sacrificed his life. That is the responsibility of a spiritual master. Because Kṛṣṇa is Kṛṣṇa, He is apāpa-viddha – He cannot be attacked by sinful reactions. But a living entity is sometimes subjected to their influence because he is so small. Big fire, small fire. If you put some big thing in a small fire, the fire itself may be extinguished. But in a big fire, whatever you put in is burned up. The big fire can consume anything.",
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"content": "\n Christ’s suffering was of that nature?",
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"content": "\n He took the sinful reactions of all the people. Therefore he suffered.",
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"content": "\n I see.",
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"content": "\n In the Bible it is said that he took all the sinful reactions of the people and sacrificed his life. But these Christian people have made it a law for Christ to suffer while they do all nonsense. Such great fools they are! They have let Jesus Christ make a contract for taking all their sinful reactions so they can go on with all nonsense. That is their religion. Christ was so magnanimous that he took all their sins and suffered, but that does not induce them to stop all these sins. They have not come to that sense. They have taken it very easily: “Let Lord Jesus Christ suffer, and we’ll do all nonsense.” Is it not?",
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"content": "\n It is so.",
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"content": "\n They should have been ashamed: “Lord Jesus Christ suffered for us, but we are continuing the sinful activities.” He told everyone, “Thou shalt not kill,” but they are indulging in killing, thinking, “Lord Jesus Christ will excuse us and take all the sinful reactions.” This is going on. \nWe should be very cautious: “For my sinful actions my spiritual master will suffer, so I’ll not commit even a pinch of sinful activities.” That is the duty of the disciple. After initiation, all sinful reaction is finished. Now if he again commits sinful activities, his spiritual master has to suffer. A disciple should be sympathetic and consider that for his sinful activities his spiritual master will suffer. If the spiritual master is attacked by some disease, it is due to the sinful activities of others. Therefore the injunction is “Don’t make many disciples.” But we do it because we are preaching. Never mind, let us suffer; still we shall accept these disciples. \nSo your question was whether when I suffer it is due to my past misdeeds. Was it not? That is my misdeed – that I accepted some disciples who are nonsense. That is my misdeed.",
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"content": "\n This happens on occasion?",
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"content": "\n Yes. This is sure to happen because we are accepting so many disciples. It is the duty of the disciples to be cautious. “My spiritual master has saved me. I should not put him again into suffering.” Of course, when the spiritual master is suffering, Kṛṣṇa saves him. Kṛṣṇa thinks, ”Oh, he has taken so much responsibility for delivering fallen persons.” So Kṛṣṇa says, kaunteya pratijānīhi na me bhaktaḥ praṇaśyati: “O son of Kuntī, declare it boldly that My devotee never perishes.” The spiritual master is protected because he takes the risk on account of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Your suffering is not the same kind of pain we feel.",
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"content": "\n No, it is not due to karma. The pain is there sometimes, so that the disciples may know, “Due to our sinful activities, our spiritual master is suffering.”",
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"content": "\n You look very well now.",
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"content": "\n I am always well in the sense that even if there is suffering I know Kṛṣṇa will protect me. But this suffering is not due to my sinful activities.",
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"content": "\n In the town I live in, I take boiled water because some of the water has disease in it. Now, why should I drink boiled water if I have been good enough not to get a disease? Then I may drink any water. And if I have been not acting properly, then I shall get disease anyway.",
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"content": "\n So long as you are in the material world, you cannot neglect physical laws. Suppose you go to a jungle and there is a tiger. It is known that it will attack you, so why should you voluntarily go and be attacked? It is not that a devotee should take unnecessary physical risks. He shouldn’t think, “Now that I have become a devotee, I challenge everything.” That is foolishness.\nanāsaktasya viṣayān\n \nyathārham upayuñjataḥ\nnirbandhaḥ kṛṣṇa-sambandhe\n \nyuktaṁ vairāgyam ucyate\nThe devotee is advised to accept the necessities of life without attachment. He’ll take boiled water, but if boiled water is not available, does it mean he will not drink water? If it is not available, he will drink ordinary water. We take Kṛṣṇa prasādam, but while touring we sometimes have to take some food in a hotel. Because one is a devotee, should he think, “I will not take any food from the hotel. I shall starve”? If I starve, then I will be weak and will not be able to preach.",
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"content": "\n Does a devotee lose some of his individuality?",
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"content": "\n No, he has full individuality for pleasing Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says, “You surrender unto Me.” So he voluntarily surrenders. It is not that he has lost his individuality. He keeps his individuality. Just like Arjuna: in the beginning he was declining to fight on account of his individuality. But when he accepted Kṛṣṇa as his spiritual master, he became a disciple. Then whatever Kṛṣṇa ordered, he said yes. That doesn’t mean he lost his individuality. He voluntarily accepted: “Whatever Kṛṣṇa says, I shall do it.” \nOr just like all my disciples: they have not lost their individuality, but they have surrendered their individuality. That is required. For example, suppose a man does not indulge in sex. It does not mean he has become impotent. If he likes, he can have sex a thousand times. But he has voluntarily avoided it. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate: he has a higher taste. Sometimes we fast, but that does not mean we are diseased. We voluntarily fast. It does not mean that I am not hungry or cannot eat. But we voluntarily fast.",
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"content": "\n Does the devotee who surrenders keep his individual taste for different things?",
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"content": "\n Yes, he keeps everything in full. But he gives preference to Kṛṣṇa. Suppose I like something but Kṛṣṇa says, “No, you cannot use it.” Then I shall not use it. I give it up for Kṛṣṇa’s sake. Positively, Kṛṣṇa says, “I like these things.” So we have to offer to Kṛṣṇa what He likes, and then we take prasādam. Kṛṣṇa likes Rādhārāṇī. Therefore all the gopīs are trying to push Rādhārāṇī to Kṛṣṇa. “Kṛṣṇa likes this gopī. All right, push Her forward to Him.” That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness – to satisfy the senses of Kṛṣṇa, not to satisfy my senses. That is bhakti. That is called prema, love for Kṛṣṇa. “Ah, Kṛṣṇa likes this. I must give Him this.”",
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"content": "\n Some prasādam I like, and some I find not at all to my liking.",
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"content": "\n You should not do that. The perfection is that whatever is offered to Kṛṣṇa you should accept. That is perfection. You cannot say, “I like this, I don’t like this.” So long as you make such discrimination, that means you have not appreciated what prasādam is. No disliking, no liking. Whatever Kṛṣṇa likes, that’s all right.",
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"content": "\n But suppose someone prepares something for Kṛṣṇa but does not make it so nicely.",
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"content": "\n No, if made sincerely with devotion, then Kṛṣṇa will like it. Just like Vidura. Vidura was feeding Kṛṣṇa bananas, but he was so absorbed in thought that he was throwing away the real bananas and giving Kṛṣṇa the skin, and Kṛṣṇa was eating. [All laugh.] Kṛṣṇa knew that he was giving Him the skins in devotion, and Kṛṣṇa can eat anything, provided there is devotion. It doesn’t matter whether it is materially tasty or not. Similarly, a devotee also takes Kṛṣṇa prasādam whether it is tasty or not. We should accept everything.",
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"content": "\n But if the devotion is not there?",
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"content": "\n If devotion is not there, Kṛṣṇa doesn’t like any food, either tasty or not tasty. He does not accept it.",
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"content": "\n Oh, India, India. Don’t talk of India! Talk of philosophy. If there is no devotion, Kṛṣṇa does not accept anything, whether in India or in your country. Lord Kṛṣṇa is not obliged to accept anything costly because it is very tasty. Kṛṣṇa has very many tasty dishes in Vaikuṇṭha. He is not hankering after your food. He accepts your devotion, bhakti. The real thing is devotion, not the food. Kṛṣṇa does not accept any food of this material world. He accepts only the devotion.\npatraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ\n \nyo me bhaktyā prayacchati\ntad ahaṁ bhakty-upahṛtam\n \naśnāmi prayatātmanaḥ\n“If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, a fruit, or water, I will accept it, because it has been offered to Me with devotion and love.” [Gītā 9.26] It is devotion that is required. Therefore we do not allow anyone to cook who is not a devotee. Kṛṣṇa does not accept anything from the hands of a nondevotee. Why should He accept? He is not hungry. He does not require any food. He accepts only the devotion, that’s all. That is the main point. \nSo one has to become a devotee, not a good cook. But if he is a devotee, then he will be a good cook also. Automatically he will become a good cook. Therefore one has to become a devotee only. Then all other good qualifications will automatically be there. And if he is a nondevotee, any good qualifications have no value. He is on the mental plane, so he has no good qualification. ",
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"content": "\n I still do not understand so much about prasādam. ",
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"content": "\n Prasādam is always prasādam. But because we are not elevated sufficiently, therefore we do not like some prasādam.",
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"content": "\n I find that some prasādam is too spicy and hurts my stomach.",
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"content": "\n Let us say some devotee has some medical trouble and cannot eat a certain type of food. For instance, some devotees do not eat ghee because of liver trouble. So should these devotees also take all kinds of prasādam?",
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"content": "\n No, no. Those who are not perfect devotees may discriminate. But a perfect devotee does not discriminate. Why should you imitate a perfect devotee? So long as you have discrimination, you are not a perfect devotee. So why should you artificially imitate a perfect devotee and eat everything?\nThe point is, a perfect devotee does not make any discrimination. Whatever is offered to Kṛṣṇa is nectar. That’s all. Kṛṣṇa accepts anything from a devotee. “Whatever is offered to Me by My devotee, I accept.” The same thing is true for a pure devotee. Don’t you see the point? A perfect devotee does not make any discrimination. But if I am not a perfect devotee and I discriminate, why should I imitate the perfect devotee? It may not be possible for me to digest everything because I am not a perfect devotee. A devotee should not be a foolish man. It is said: kṛṣṇa ye bhaje se baḍa catura. So a devotee knows his position, and he is intelligent enough to deal with others accordingly.",
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"content": "\n Thank you. [chuckling] So, any particular question?",
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"content": "\n On the picture today that you gave Jadurāṇī, a picture of Śrī Viṣṇu, there is a foot on the chest. We didn't know what that was. There was a little footprint.",
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"content": "\n There are some special marks on the chest of Viṣṇu by which in Vaikuṇṭha He is known that He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Otherwise, in Vaikuṇṭha, everyone has got the same feature like Viṣṇu. Just like if President Johnson comes here as a gentleman, you'll not..., nobody will recognize him whether he's president or not, unless he shows his special mark. Is it not? All government officers, big officers, they have got within the coat one, some mark. So far I know.\nSo similarly, in Vaikuṇṭha the inhabitants, they got svarūpa. Their form is exactly like Viṣṇu. There is no difference. When the Viṣṇudūta came to take Ajāmila from the hands of Yamadūta, they were four-handed, with śankha-cakra-gadā-padma, as Viṣṇu: the lotus flower, this disc, and the club and the conchshell. There is no difference in the body. Simply by that special mark, some special hair on the chest, and there is Bhṛgu, I mean to say, sole, sole, a mark of the feet of Bhṛgu Muni. So by some special marks one can recognize He is Viṣṇu.\nOtherwise, from bodily features and from dress and from ornaments, there is no distinction between Viṣṇu and His devotees in Vaikuṇṭha. They're all four-handed. Svarūpa, sāyujya, sālokya, sārṣṭi. They have got equal, I mean to say, situation of prosperity, wealthy, equally...,\n[Phone rings]\n...almost equally powerful.\nSo practically there is no difference between Viṣṇu and Viṣṇu-bhakta. In Kṛṣṇaloka also. Only Kṛṣṇa is little blackish. Otherwise there is no... In the Kṛṣṇaloka they are two-handed, and Viṣṇuloka they are four-handed. All the Vaikuṇṭhas, the residents, they are four-handed. You want four hand or two hand? [laughter] Mr. Murti? What do you want? Four hand?",
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"content": "\n Two hands more than Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Yes. In this universe only Brahmā has got four hands. Nobody within this universe. And Viṣṇu also. In this brahmāṇḍa, in this universe, there is a planet where the ocean is of milk. Here, just like salted water. There are many oceans: ocean of oil, ocean of ghee, ocean of milk.\n[devotees exclaim]\nThe ocean of oil, you have got experience in this planet. Within the earth you are getting some... Your civilization depending..., your motorcar civilization is depending on that ocean of oil. You are getting oil and lavishly spending it. Stock is supplied by God. Your material advancement will be finished if the stock is not supplied by the Lord.\nSo these foolish men, they do not know. They think that \"Without God we can live.\" Who has created the ocean of petroleum within the earth? Is it possible for human being? [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Someone has said that the dhotī, the dhotī that the brahmacārīs wear, is the dress that's worn in Vaikuṇṭha. Is that correct?",
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"content": "\n Just see Viṣṇu. He has no coat-pant. [chuckles] Here is Viṣṇu. Or Kṛṣṇa, He has no dress. He is also bare body. Only Rādhārāṇī is covered. In India also, still, the covering of the body is only for woman; but men, this, practically one dhotī is sufficient. Sometimes laṅgoṭa, the underwear. Laṅgoṭa, underwear. What is that? [pause]",
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"content": "\n Swāmī? What does Nanda-kiśora mean?",
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"content": "\n Nanda-kiśora, kiśora means a boy.",
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"content": "\n Boy?",
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"content": "\n The transcendental boy of Nanda Mahārāja.",
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"content": "\n Yes.\nMadhusūdana\n:\n How is the lotus a weapon? They're all weapons. All the symbols in Viṣṇu's hand are..., all the symbols in Viṣṇu's hand are weapons. How is the lotus a weapon?\n Lotus is blessing. And that disc and club is for punishing. Viṣṇu has to see two ways, because He's the Lord. So, as it is said in the Bhagavad-gītā, paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām [Bg. 4.8].\n[In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium.]\nJust like the state. State is meant for punishing the criminals and giving protection to the law-abiding citizen. Wherefrom this idea is taken? It is taken from Viṣṇu, everything, because He is the supreme maintainer. So everything is required for maintaining. So this gada, the club, and the disc is for punishing the disobedient, the demons, or those who are harassing devotees. To punish them, the viṣṇu-cakra is there.\nJust like Mahārāja Ambarīṣa, he was harassed by Durvāsā Muni, and viṣṇu-cakra punished him sufficiently. Mahārāja Durvāsā... Mahārāja Ambarīṣa was a great king, but a great devotee at the same time. Because he was kṣatriya and householder, Durvāsā Muni, he was envious. Durvāsā Muni was brāhmaṇa and a great yogī.\nSo he could not tolerate that a householder king... King is supposed to be dealing in politics, economics. Therefore, according to social position, he is lesser than the brāhmaṇa, because they are simply engaged in the matter of transcendental advancement of life. But a devotee is above the brāhmaṇas. That is the position of devotee.\nHere, the highest qualitative position is to be situated in the modes of goodness or to acquire the qualities of brāhmaṇa, in this material world. Truthfulness, controlling the senses, controlling the mind, simplicity and knowledge, faith in God—there are so many qualifications which makes a person as recognized brāhmaṇa. But a devotee, never mind whether he's brāhmaṇa or a caṇḍāla, he automatically develop all these qualities. Yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā [SB 5.18.12].\n[All the demigods and their exalted qualities, such as religion, knowledge and renunciation, become manifest in the body of one who has developed unalloyed devotion for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vāsudeva. On the other hand, a person devoid of devotional service and engaged in material activities has no good qualities. Even if he is adept at the practice of mystic yoga or the honest endeavor of maintaining his family and relatives, he must be driven by his own mental speculations and must engage in the service of the Lord's external energy. How can there be any good qualities in such a man?]\nAnyone who has unflinching devotional faith in God, he has all the good qualities.\nI've several times narrated the story of that hunter. He was animal killer, and he used to enjoy by killing the animal half. But when he became a devotee, he was not prepared to kill even an ant. Who taught him? Nobody taught him, but he was simply chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. That's all. So if you actually making progress in devotional service, you are constantly in touch with the purest.\nKṛṣṇa is the purest. Bhagavad-gītā, it is said, paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhama pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān [Bg. 10.12].\n[Arjuna said: You are the Supreme Brahman, the ultimate, the supreme abode and purifier, the Absolute Truth and the eternal divine person. You are the primal God, transcendental and original, and You are the unborn and all-pervading beauty. All the great sages such as Nārada, Asita, Devala, and Vyāsa proclaim this of You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me.]\n\"You are the paraṁ brahma, Supreme Brahman.\" Brahman..., every living entity is Brahman, but He is paraṁ brahma, the leader of the Brahman. Just like the president is the first citizen of the state, similarly, Kṛṣṇa is also a living entity, but supreme living entity, just like the first citizen. So similarly, every living entity is Brahman, but paraṁ brahma is one. That is Kṛṣṇa.\nAnd therefore in the Brahma-saṁhitā it is confirmed, īśvaraḥ paramaḥ krsnaḥ [Bs. 5.1].\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nKṛṣṇa is... Everyone īśvara, more or less, controller. Lord Śiva, Lord Brahmā, Indra, Varuṇa, Vāyu, Candra, Sūrya, there are so many. They're all demigods, say, almost God. But they are not Supreme God. Supreme God is one.\nSometimes people who do not know the purpose of Vedas, they say, \"The Hindus are worshiper of many gods.\" That is nonsense. Actually those who are followers of Vedas, they worship Kṛṣṇa, only Kṛṣṇa or Viṣṇu. Tad viṣṇoḥ paramaṁ padaṁ [Ṛg Veda 1.22.20]. \n[\"The lotus feet of Lord Viṣṇu are the supreme objective of all the demigods. These lotus feet of the Lord are as enlightening as the sun in the sky.\"]\nṚg mantra. Tad viṣṇoḥ paramaṁ padaṁ sadā paśyanti sūrayaḥ. And in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyam [Bg. 15.15].\n[I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas am I to be known; indeed I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.]\nWhat is the purpose of Vedas? To understand Kṛṣṇa. One who does not understand Kṛṣṇa, his Vedānta philosophy is nonsense. However you may advertise that \"I am Vedāntist,\" is a pakkā nonsense [chuckles], because he has not attained the perfection of Vedic knowledge.\nThe perfection of Vedic knowledge is to know Kṛṣṇa, and that is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante [Bg. 7.19]: after many, many births.\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nJñānavān. Jñānavān means Vedāntist. Not... They have made it, that Vedāntist... Vedāntist..., Vaiṣṇavas, they are also Vedāntist, but it has become a common sense, a common affair that the impersonalists, they are called Vedāntists. Because, due to Śaṅkarācārya's propaganda, they have made their position as Vedāntists. But common men, they do not know that the Vaiṣṇavas are the best Vedāntists.\nWe shall discuss Vedānta here also. Vedānta... In Rāmānuja-bhāṣya there is... Perhaps you know, in your country, there is Rāmānuja-bhāṣya Vedānta. Madhvācārya, he has also written Vedānta-bhāṣya, not only Śaṅkarācārya. But because the Vaiṣṇavas, they know bhāṣyam brahma-sūtrāṇām: the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the actual explanation of Vedānta. So therefore they take more interest in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, because that is the actual explanation of Vedānta.\nJust like in the Vedānta-sūtra, the..., what is Brahman, Absolute Truth, athāto brahma jijñāsā, the inquiry is, \"What is Brahman, Absolute Truth?\" The Vedānta-sūtra answers... The Vedānta-sūtra is made like that, questions and answers like that. So answer is janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]\n[O my Lord, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmājī, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth.]\n\"The Absolute Truth is that from whom everything is emanating.\" He is the ultimate fountainhead of everything. Just now we tried to explain that the state functions protecting the good citizen and punishing the criminals. That should be the state business. Wherefrom this idea came? The law and... What is called? Law and order department, or what is that?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Wherefrom the idea came to the human society unless it is there in the Absolute? How the idea comes? Therefore that law and order is Viṣṇu. Janmādy asya yataḥ. The idea of law and order came from Viṣṇu. How nicely explained. Janmādy asya. In two words, janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]. Janma means creation, and ādi, ādi means first janma, then sthiti. Sthiti means staying, maintenance. And then dissolution. So three things. Yataḥ, from where these three things are happening.\nThat means this world is being created from that source, it is being maintained by that source, and when it is annihilated it rests in that energy, the whole energy. Pralayaṁ yānti māmikam, Bhagavad-gītā. When everything is dissolved, the energy is absorbed by the energetic. So that is Absolute Truth.\nSo Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam explains that Absolute Truth. Janmādy asya yata anvayād itarataś ca artheṣu abhijñaḥ svarāṭ. In the Vedānta-sūtra it is simply said that \"The Absolute Truth is that which is the fountainhead of everything.\" Now if fountainhead of everything, then what the Absolute Truth's nature shall be like? That is explained in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nThe first thing is that janmādy asya yataḥ. The factor, the Absolute Truth from which everything is emanating, so that emanation includes indirect and direct manifestation. What is that indirect and direct manifestation? The direct manifestation is the spiritual world, and the indirect manifestation is this material world. Indirect manifestation means it is simply a shadow of the spiritual world.\nJust like in the Bible also it is said the man is made after God. So you have got two hands, one head, two leg. So the mental speculation is said that these devotees, they create God according to their own feature. Because I am two-handed, and therefore I create God with two hands, Kṛṣṇa—but actually, the fact is not that. Actually, because Kṛṣṇa has got two hand and we have got a imitation body of Kṛṣṇa, therefore we have got two hand.\nBecause this is imitation. That we know everything, everyone. This body will not stay. Therefore it has got janma. Janma means birth or creation at a certain period, and it stays, say, for fifty years or hundred years. Then dissolved, dissolution. Therefore it is imitation. Just like if you create a doll, clay, clay doll, very nice, beautiful girl. But it will... It is imitation. It is shadow of the real beautiful girl. It has... It is created at some time and...\nSo reality is there in the spiritual world. Therefore it is called janmādy asya yataḥ. The idea comes from there. But the impersonalists, due to their intelligence being very meager, they think that the Absolute Truth is without any variety: impersonal or void. They think that varieties are only in the material world. But actually, real varieties are there in the spiritual world. It is only reflection, as it is described in the Bhagavad-gītā, ūrdhva mūlam adhah-śākham. Adhah-śākham. Aśvatthaṁ prāhur avyayam [Bg. 15.1]. \n[The Blessed Lord said: There is a banyan tree which has its roots upward and its branches down and whose leaves are the Vedic hymns. One who knows this tree is the knower of the Vedas.]\nAśvattha... This material creation, material manifestation is compared with a banyan tree whose root is upward. And that I have explained several times, how the tree can be upwards root. That means it is reflection. Just like you stand on the riverside, the tree will be reflected on the river, on the water, as obverted. That means that is reflection. As soon as we say that \"This is a tree, the root of which is up,\" that means it is reflection.\nThe Māyāvādī philosopher, they do not take account of the mathematical calculation, 380 degree. They are taking account of... Three hundred and sixty degree, the whole circle. They are taking account only 180 degree. And other 180 degree they're making void. But actually, the whole point is 360 degree. That is geomatical calculation. If you simply know 180 degree, then the other 180 degree is unknown to you.\nSo real life, real variety, real beauty, real knowledge, everything in reality is there in the spiritual world. It is only reflection. Therefore Bhāgavata explains that janmādy asya yataḥ anvayād itarataś ca artheṣu abhijñaḥ [SB 1.1.1]. The Supreme Absolute Truth is cognizant, abhijñaḥ; cognizant and svarāṭ. Svarāṭ means independent. In this way, the explanation of Brahma-sūtra is given in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nTherefore Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is vaiṣṇavānāṁ priyam. Yad vaiṣṇavānāṁ priyam. Yasmin paramahaṁsam ekaṁ paraṁ jñānam jñeyate. The knowledge of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is to be understood by the paramahaṁsa, the highest perfected man, paramahaṁsa. It is not ordinary thing.",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, if all things here are a reflection of what is perfect in the spiritual world, then shouldn't hate and frustration and despair and prejudice also appear in the spiritual world?",
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"content": "\n Then isn't that... Aren't they bad?",
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"content": "\n But that frustration has no disappointment. [laughter] That is the beauty. Just like Lord Caitanya is manifesting that spiritual frustration: \"O Kṛṣṇa, I could not see You.\" He's jumping on the sea in frustration. But that frustration is the highest perfection of love. Yes. Everything is there—but without inebriety. You are very intelligent boy. I thank you. Yes. Yes. There is frustration, but not this frustration. Yes. That frustration, I mean to say, enriches one's eagerness of love for Kṛṣṇa. Everything is there, but without inebriety. Everything is there. Yes.\nNow see Viṣṇu? Of course, in Vaikuṇṭha-jagat there is no violence. But Viṣṇu is taking the symbol of violence. Otherwise, what is the meaning of this disc and club? So when He wants to be violent, He comes here as nṛsiṁha-mūrti. [laughter] And He sends some of His devotees to play violence. That is Hiraṇyakaśipu. Because there the devotees are so much in accord with Kṛṣṇa and Viṣṇu that there is no question of disagreement. But violence is when this disagreement, atheist.\nTherefore sometimes a devotee is deputed in this world to play as atheist, and Kṛṣṇa comes to kill him, to teach these people that \"If you become atheist, then here is disc and club for you.\" But it is not possible to be displayed in the Vaikuṇṭha. But the... Otherwise, if there is no the propensity of violence... Just like there is sometimes mock fight. A father is fighting in mock with the small child, and he has become defeated. But there is pleasure. So ānanda-mayo 'bhyāsāt [Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12].\n[By nature, the Supreme Lord is blissful.]\nThe Lord is joyful. So there is joy in fighting also sometimes.\nSo your question that everything is there, that is a fact. Everything is there. Otherwise if everything is not there, they cannot be manifested here, because it is reflection. Just like in... Of course, this discovery is by the Vaiṣṇava, Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava. Just like the love between Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, it is called parakīya. They are not married husband and wife. But Rādhārāṇī appears to be wife of some other gentleman. But Kṛṣṇa, from childhood, They were friends. So Radhārāṇī could not forget Kṛṣṇa. She used to come to Kṛṣṇa and stand like that. That's all. And He was playing. Kiśora-Kiśorī, They were boy and girl. But there is no inebriety.\nJust like here the boy and girls mix and there are so many abominable things, distressful, which is binding their material bondage. So that friendship between boy and girl is there, but without inebriety. Kṛṣṇa had so many gopīs, girlfriend, but there was no contraceptive pills. [laughter] That is the beauty. Here, the so-called love is lust. And there, that is the highest.\nThe same thing: obverted, perverted reflection. Just like in the original tree the topmost part has come down to the down. Similarly, in the spiritual world the highest, topmost level of love, parakīya... Parakīya means love not by marriage life; by friendship. That is there. But there is no such inebriety. It is pure.\nSo perverted means the topmost thing has come down to the lowest. Here, this parakīya, loving other's wife or other's husband, is most abominable, adultery—not allowed by society, not allowed by the state. But tendency is there. Even one is married, he wants to love another's wife. Or if the girl married [s]he wants to love another husband. Why? That is there. But without inebriety. That is the beauty.\nSo everything is there, but here, that thing is reflected, pervertedly. Therefore misunderstood. There is so many other corollaries. You see? But you must know everything, that without being in the Absolute Truth there cannot be relative manifestation. This world is relative manifestation. So these things are not to be understood in the beginning, but as the questions came, we discussed something.\nBut you must know, as the Vedānta-sūtra says, janmādy asya yataḥ. Everything is emanated from that Absolute Truth. That is the fountainhead of everything. We cannot manufacture anything. It is not possible. But this is shadow and that is reality. And in the shadow... Just like photograph. You find that everything in detail of your beautiful face in the photograph, but that is not reality. That's all.\nSo you'll find everything in details, all... Or you can understand actual photograph, actual idea, actual notion of the spiritual world by scrutinizingly studying this material world. The impersonalists, they think that in the material varieties there are so many abominable inebrieties, therefore in the spiritual world all these things should be minus, void. That is their material calculation. They cannot think that in the spiritual world also there is love. Because here, in this world, the so-called love or lust is frustrated and followed by so many calamities that therefore they cannot conceive that in the spiritual world also there is love.\nTheir idea, in one sense, is right, that how these nonsensical things can exist in the spiritual world? Therefore they make it altogether minus. No variety. Impersonal. That is less intelligence. They cannot understand that photograph is the reflection of the actual person. There is everything in detail. A movie. Actually, the same man is laughing, walking, dress, everything, but it is all false. That they cannot understand. Therefore the Vaiṣṇavas say they are less intelligent.\nThe real understanding should be that if in the real person all these features are not present, how they can be reflected in the photograph? The Māyāvādī says, brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā. Brahman, the Absolute Truth, is real truth, and this world is mithyā. Then mithyā means it is a reflection, or shadow. Mithyā does not mean that it has no existence. The shadow is also existence. Therefore Vaiṣṇava philosophers say that mithyā means temporary.\nNow you have got this body. This is temporary. That's the real understanding. And if I say it is mithyā, then if I kill you, then why I am punished? I can say, \"Oh, it is mithyā, it is false. So what is their fault?\" No. It is not mithyā. It is temporary. Not mithyā. Mithyā, how can it be? Because it is reflection of the reality, therefore it cannot be mithyā. Then the reality becomes mithyā. Mithyā means not fact. The real explanation is that this is shadow, shadow, but the reality is in the spiritual world, and that is indicated in the Vedānta-sūtra, janmādy asya yataḥ, the fountainhead of all emanation. That is Absolute Truth.",
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"content": "\nSwāmījī, last night our window was broken. Was that māyā striking at us?",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n Last night my window was broken. Was that māyā striking?",
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"content": "\n Kids broke the window?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Māyā is always striking. Why do you take only a window? [chuckles] Why do you compact māyā in the window? He is without window, within the window. Māyā is not only, I mean to say, limited to a certain extent. The whole world is māyā. Jagan mithyā. The whole universe is māyā. Only that part is not māyā where the chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa is there.",
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"content": "\n Haribol. Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n As soon as there was some slacking in Hare Kṛṣṇa, the māyā struck. [laughs] Yes. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī?",
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"content": "\n Yes. You are asking at the last moment. You are very much careful about time.",
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"content": "\n Oh. I didn't know.",
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"content": "\n No, you ask me.",
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"content": "\n Could you describe Kṛṣṇa's pastimes as cowboy whenever He goes out in the morning with the cowherds boys?",
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"content": "\n Yes, you can... Because... Have you seen how the... You have no experience here in your country. Have you got any experience? But in India we have got experience how in the morning the cowboy takes some food from the mother, and with the cows he goes to the field. The cows are let loose on the grazing ground, they are enjoying, and this cowboy is sometimes singing.\nThe flute, Kṛṣṇa's flute is because He is cowboy. The cowboys still play in that flute. In India you'll find. Because the cows are let... They are doing their own work, and what this boy will do? They are playing. There are many cowherds boys, they are playing— sometimes playing on flutes, sometimes sporting, sometimes eating.\nSo Kṛṣṇa was exactly doing like that. All the cowboy friend went with Him. Kṛṣṇa was, of course, a very rich man's son. His father was very rich. So He used to take with Him very nice foodstuff, lugdoo, kachorī. And other, His poor friends, they were taking capātīs, dry capātīs. [laughs] So they were enjoying, dividing: \"Your food, my food, his food.\"\nAnd sometimes there was some trouble in the forest, because Kamsa was after Kṛṣṇa to kill Him. He was sending his assistants. So some asura would come, Bakāsura, Aghāsura, and Kṛṣṇa would kill. And the boys would return and narrate the story to their mother: \"Oh, my dear mother! Such and such thing happened and Kṛṣṇa killed it! Very...\" [laughter] The mother will, \"Oh, yes, our Kṛṣṇa is very wonderful!\" [laughter]\nSo Kṛṣṇa was their enjoyment. That's all. The mother is speaking of Kṛṣṇa, the boy is speaking of Kṛṣṇa. So therefore they did not know anything but Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa. Whenever there is some trouble, \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa.\" When there is fire, \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa.\" That is the beauty of Vṛndāvana. Their mind is absorbed in Kṛṣṇa. Not through philosophy, not through understanding, but natural love: \"Kṛṣṇa is our village boy, our relative, our friend, our lover, our master.\" Some way or other, Kṛṣṇa. That is the beauty.\nTherefore Śukadeva Gosvāmī is describing the playing of the boys:\nitthaṁ satāṁ brahma-sukhānubhūtya\ndāsyaṁ gatānāṁ para-daivatena\nmāyāśritānāṁ nara-dārakeṇa\nsākaṁ vijahruḥ kṛta-puṇya-puñjāḥ\n[SB 10.12.11]\n[All the boys would be differently engaged. Some boys blew their flutes, and others blew bugles made of horn. Some imitated the buzzing of the bumblebees, and others imitated the voice of the cuckoo. Some boys imitated flying birds by running after the birds' shadows on the ground, some imitated the beautiful movements and attractive postures of the swans, some sat down with the ducks, sitting silently, and others imitated the dancing of the peacocks. Some boys attracted young monkeys in the trees, some jumped into the trees, imitating the monkeys, some made faces as the monkeys were accustomed to do, and others jumped from one branch to another. Some boys went to the waterfalls and crossed over the river, jumping with the frogs, and when they saw their own reflections on the water they would laugh. They would also condemn the sounds of their own echoes. In this way, all the cowherd boys used to play with Kṛṣṇa, who is the source of the Brahman effulgence for jñānīs desiring to merge into that effulgence, who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead for devotees who have accepted eternal servitorship, and who for ordinary persons is but another ordinary child. The cowherd boys, having accumulated the results of pious activities for many lives, were able to associate in this way with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. How can one explain their great fortune?]\n\"Oh, these boys playing with Kṛṣṇa, they have attained this position, oh, after, I mean to say, accumulating many, many births' pious activities.\" Kṛta-puṇya puñjāḥ. Just like a man collects dollar, dollar, dollar, dollar, dollar, and one time he amasses money, say, millions of dollars. Similarly, Śukadeva Gosvāmī is describing that these boys who are playing with Kṛṣṇa, they have amassed their pious activities for millions and billions of births. Because with whom they are playing? They're playing, itthaṁ brahma-sukhānubhūtya. Satāṁ. The stalwart philosophers who are after brahma-sukha, brāhmaṇanda. So that brahmaṇanda is here, Kṛṣṇa.\nAnd dāsyaṁ gatānāṁ para daivatena. And for the devotees, He is the Supreme Lord. And māyāsritanam nara-dārakeṇa: those who are covered in māyā, for them He is ordinary human boy. And with Him these boys are playing. They have amassed pious activities of many, many millions of births. Otherwise it was not possible. So they do not know Kṛṣṇa is God. They do not know. But their affection for Kṛṣṇa is so great and nice that it is inexplicable. They were playing; Kṛṣṇa is defeated: \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa has to take the friend on His shoulder, yes, because You are defeated.\" So Kṛṣṇa is accepting, \"Yes, come on My shoulder.\"\nSo this kṛṣṇa-līlā, that also one who tries to understand and understands, they are also like those boys who have amassed pious activities of many, many births. It is not ordinary thing. Yes. And māyāśritānāṁ nara dārakeṇa: those who are under the clutches of māyā, they will think these Kṛṣṇa's pastimes, \"What is this? What is this? Kṛṣṇa conscious persons, they are enjoying about Kṛṣṇa's going to the field with some cows?\" Yes.\nJust like one of our student, that Raṇacora, he asked me, \"Swāmījī, how is that God has become a cowherd boy?\" Yes. Because ordinary people, they are thinking, \"God must be so great, so great, great,\" that they cannot conceive. And that great personality, how He becomes a cowherd boy playing with cowherd boys? Yes. Brahmā also became astonished, and therefore he came to check, \"Whether He is my Lord or not?\" [laughter] Yes. Bewildered. Muhyanti yatra sūrayaḥ, the Bhāgavata says therefore. Even the great personalities like Brahmā, they are also bewildered to understand the personality.\nHe..., Brahmā also heard that \"At Vṛndāvana Kṛṣṇa has appeared, and He is acting as a cowherd boy.\" He was also astonished. \"Oh, my Lord? He has become a cowherd boy?\" So he came to check. He, I mean to say, took away all the cowherd boys and cows and everything. And after a few seconds he came, he said, \"Kṛṣṇa is playing in the same way.\"\nAnd although the, I mean, stolen cowherd boys and cows they, by the, I mean to say, energy of māyā, by influence of Brahmā, they were kept in a secret cave. They were sleeping. But Kṛṣṇa is playing. That means He has manifested again with the cowherd boys and cows. Then he was convinced, \"Yes, He is my Lord.\" Then Brahma-stava is there.\nĀnanda cinmaya rasa pratibhāvitābhis tābhirya eva nija-rūpatayā kalābhiḥ [Bs. 5.37]. \n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, residing in His own realm, Goloka, with Rādhā, resembling His own spiritual figure, the embodiment of the ecstatic potency possessed of the sixty-four artistic activities, in the company of Her confidantes [sakhīs], embodiments of the extensions of Her bodily form, permeated and vitalized by His ever-blissful spiritual rasa.]\nSo Kṛṣṇa can expand in many, many thousand times. What Brahmā will do by stealing His...? No, that is not possible. So Brahmā was also convinced. These things you'll find in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Brahma-vimohana. Even Brahmā is bewildered, what to speak of ordinary men like us.\nSo kṛṣṇa-līlā, to understand... There is no need of understanding. Simply you love Kṛṣṇa, then the whole business finished. Just like if you touch fire, if you understand it or not understand it, the warmness is there. Similarly, either you understand Kṛṣṇa or do not understand Kṛṣṇa, it doesn't matter. Simply if you love Kṛṣṇa, then your life is perfect. That's all.",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Utsāhan, dhairyāt. Are you realizing the distinction between this association and others?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That you should realize. That is realization. We are trying to create a real spiritual path, not bogus, for livelihood. India's falldown is due to that spirit, that everyone takes everything for livelihood, that's all. Not only India; everywhere. India especially because poverty-stricken. So they take religion also as livelihood. Just like this Akhila Saheb. He wanted to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra for livelihood. Do you know that?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n How? How it was? No, you do not know. He was proposing that \"I know how to cure disease by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" So he wanted to go to [chuckles] foreign countries to take this profession. That means an attempt to kill our movement in purity. Of course, nobody can kill our movement, but this sort of thinking is just against the purity of our movement: to utilize Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra for curing disease. [aside:] Oh, it will not stay.",
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"content": "\n No. If we put it on the window. On the window it will stay. It won't stay on the wall.",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n If he puts it on the window it will stay.",
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"content": "\n Window means it will be dark.",
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"content": "\n Yes. I think that [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Yes. It has to be done. Not only idea; it has to be done in practical sense. Now who will take charge of this task? That is to be found out. You write to the...",
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"content": "\n GBC?",
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"content": "\n GBC.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] Because newspapers... So many newspapers have come out within the last three or four years. Of course, most of them are hippie groups, but they have become... People are very anxious to read something from different angle of vision.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n They are tired of old newspapers. So if we present a newspaper with our angle of vision, Kṛṣṇa consciousness...",
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"content": "\n So immediately you write to the GBC members.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] But the articles that will be in the newspaper, they will be exactly like other newspapers? Who will write them?",
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"content": "\n No, articles... Daily newspaper means there must be news. News you can purchase from the news collecting company. They will supply. At very cheap price they'll supply. And you take advertisement. Yes. You'll cover your expenses by getting advertisement and make sufficient profit. Newspaper starting is not a losing business provided you can organize. Just like ordinary newspaper, they give...\nIn daily news... People want to learn daily news, and they supply huge quantity. And those who are advertiser, they are simply concerned how many copies are issued. If you issue 100,000's of copies, then you can charge for each page thousand dollars. They will pay. Two thousand dollars they will pay.",
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"content": "\n That means in each city we would have to have our own local press.",
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"content": "\n No, not necessarily. You can arrange with any newspaper place. You simply supply your matter; they will print. Just like we are getting from Japan, similarly, make your own layout and supply them. Immediately, within two hours, everything is complete.",
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"content": "\n But a daily newspaper has to turn out daily, so it takes time to transport it from one city to another city.",
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"content": "\n Well, from every city we can publish. Every city there is a newspaper place.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] tend to buy local newspapers. And weekly's are often national, just like the national...",
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"content": "\n Yes. So we have to organize. First of all let us publish in one city, big city, like New York, like London, yes, Bombay, Tokyo. Big cities, world's big cities. In India only two cities are big: Calcutta and Bombay, important. If you publish simultaneously, Calcutta... Delhi is given importance due to capital; otherwise not important as big city, as Bombay and Calcutta. Delhi, without government offices it is a dead city.\nJust like Washington. What is the value of Washington? It is nothing. Simply because it is headquarters of the President it has got importance. Similarly, Delhi is that. Otherwise it is not important. But Calcutta, Bombay is really important city in India: big business, port, all rich men, every kind of, all cultural, everything—Calcutta and Bombay. Originally only Calcutta, now Bombay also. Because the Britishers, they made Calcutta capital. And Calcutta was very, very important city. But this Calcutta man, they create sometimes situation, very complicated.\nSo once in 1905 the same situation was there, politically. Sir Surendranath Banerjee made..., Surendranath Banerjee's movement, partition of Bengal. Lord Curzon, he wanted to divide Bengal, make it East Bengal and West Bengal. And Surendranath Bannerjee... He is the practically father of Indian politics. Gandhi's not. He was. He was. And in the beginning, in European circles he was famous. He was called \"Surrender-not.\" [laughter]\nThe spelling of the name, s-u-r-e-n-d-e-r, Surendranath. In Parliament he was known as \"Surrender-not.\" He was a very powerful politician. So there was trouble in Calcutta; so therefore they transferred, 1911, capital to Delhi. Otherwise, from the very beginning of British occupation, Calcutta was the capital. You have seen the government viceroy's house near that Hamilton building where you were trying to purchase.",
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"content": "\n The government house?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. It is better than Buckingham Palace. Such a big house.",
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"content": "\n Oh, the governor's house. The governor's house?",
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"content": "\n Yes, governor's house.",
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"content": "\n It's surrounded just like a...",
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"content": "\n A big garden. Yes. That was viceroy's house. Now it is dilapidated. Otherwise, formerly it was very, very nice. Huge palace in India. Lord Curzon's policy was to bring one of the princes from England and make him king of India.",
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"content": "\n King of India.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That was his policy. He favored that policy, that Indian people are in favor of monarchy. So introduce this system: one of the royal family's son should come and become king of India. That was good suggestion. If Britishers would have ruled India for the interest of India, making one king from the royal family, it would have been great success. That policy of Lord Curzon was very nice.",
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"content": "\n That never happened.",
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"content": "\n The same thing. The parliamentary members... Just like nowadays, party. India is suffering in party politics. And they did not like to give importance to monarchy. They wanted to rule according to their whims, and therefore the whole scheme failed. The so-called democracy under party politics is nonsense. Monarchy... I have said. That day I was in remarking that \"This democracy is the government of the asses,\" because the population are asses and they vote another ass to be head of the government.\nSo what you can do? Sayuddhe kriyate rājan sa kim asnu pahanam. These are instructions in Sanskrit. \"If you make a dog a king, don't you think that he will still lap the shoes?\" [laughter] You cannot change his habits. Sva... Yasya bhāvasya na sa sudurate kramaḥ. Anyone's habits, even if you give good position, you cannot change it. The example is just like if you make a dog the king, he will immediately come from the throne and lap the shoes. You see? So materially you cannot change. Only by spiritual understanding one can be...",
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"content": "\n Cāṇakya Paṇḍita... I have seen that book, and he says in his book that if a crow sits on a high plinth, he says it doesn't become [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Yes. If you make a crow... The crow generally sits on the roof of the house, but that does not mean he has become a great man—\"How great I am, a very beautiful bird.\"",
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"content": "\n The symbol of the Democratic party in America is the ass.",
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"content": "\n Everywhere. As soon as you...",
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"content": "\n Their symbol is an ass. They have a symbol.",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. Because they are asses.",
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"content": "\n The Republican party is elephant, and the Democratic party is an ass, a donkey.",
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"content": "\n What is the value of vote for the asses? According to Vedic civilization there was democracy, but that democracy is selected committee. Just like in England there was Privy Council. So selected body of learned brāhmaṇas and sages, they were guiding the king, and the king was himself was properly educated how to rule over, under religious principles. He was trained from the beginning of his life as prince. As the future heir of the throne he was trained, and at the same time, he was guided by a council of learned sages and brāhmaṇas. They were looking over the activities of the king. As soon as there was some mistake they will see.\nAnd there are instances; whenever there was a bad king, they were dethroned. Not for political purpose. He was dethroned, but his son was on the... Just like Lord Rāmacandra did. Rāmacandra killed Rāvaṇa, but He never occupied the kingdom. His brother Vibhīṣaṇa proved to be faithful. He was enthroned. From the same family. And that was the system. Even a king was wrong, he would be dethroned, but from his family, either his son or brother or somebody would occupy there. Not that \"Because I have conquered you, therefore I shall sit down.\" No. There are many instances. And therefore India was ruling all over the world. The emperor was in India, and the kings of different states, their family was.\nSo there was no rebellion. And in every state a king was trained in the same process, guided by committee of learned brāhmaṇa and sages. How perfect this monarchy is. Monarchy... That Lord Curzon studied it, that the Indian people like monarchy. Even these states, the so-called states... Now the Congress government has killed them; otherwise the Britishers were maintaining, necessary, and they were developed. Now see. The Indore was far better before. You can see from the buildings, from the whole city. It was very prosperous city. Still it is going on.\nSo every state, the native prince, the Britishers maintained so many native prince. And because they maintained them, they were friends to the Britishers. They knew the policy, if you create zamindar, landlord. They created this aristocratic class to support them. So when Gandhi and other leaders started this movement, all the princes and zamindars, they were in favor of British. Therefore it took so much time to transfer. And as a retaliation, the common people have bereft them of their kingdom: \"No more kingdom, because you always supported Britishers.\" It is a great politics. Therefore they have taken... The zamindars, immediately after this attainment of independence, all the zamindars and kings were bereft of their possessions.\nYou were in Calcutta? Oh, none of you were with me. We saw one house for purchasing. That was a big zamindar's house, Tagore Thakur. You saw? Yes. If you have saw... How nicely it was. When they were in opulence in our childhood, oh, it was a house to be seen. There are many houses. Just like in England the lord families. In Ascot, where we stayed, that was also lord family's house. Now Yoko is ocupying, a third-class Japanese girl. She has become the queen of the house.\nAnd how third class, low grade. It is the sitting room, and a naked picture has... How much degraded people have become. How this man is daring to hang that picture in his sitting room so that everyone who comes sees. How much low-graded they are. They want change, but because they have no [indistinct] education, they are going to the animal sphere. That is hippie movement. Yes. From animal standard they become civilized. The same story, punar muṣika bhāvaḥ. You know that story? \"Again become mouse.\"",
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"content": "\n Oh, yeah. I've heard that.",
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"content": "\n The story is a mouse came to a saintly person: \"Sir, I am in trouble. If you kindly release me.\" \"What is that trouble?\" \"A cat, they are after me. I am always at risk of life.\" \"So what do you want?\" \"You also make me a cat.\" \"All right. You become a cat.\" Then again he came. \"Sir, again the complaint is here.\" \"What is that?\" \"Dogs are chasing me.\" \"Then what do you want?\" \"I want to become a dog.\" \"All right. You become a dog.\" In this way he came up to the tiger by the benediction of the... And when he became a tiger, he was... [snarling sound] [laughter] Just like our Brahmānanda Prabhu. \"All right. Again become mouse.\" [laughter] You see?\nSo these civilization is like that. They became tiger, and they are so much badly trained up that they have to become again a mouse. That is the way. That is the way of nature. If you don't improve yourself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then you again become the stool worms. The human form of life is an opportunity to come out of this cycle of birth and death, but if one does not take—these are the statements in Padma Purāṇa—then he loses the chance. They do not know what is life, how life is rotating. Talking nonsense, \"I am God. Why Kṛṣṇa should be God? This is written by man.\" How much low-graded people have become.\nThey are completely under the laws of nature. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14], stringent laws of nature, and still, they are claiming, \"I am God,\" \"I am this,\" \"I am that,\" \"I am free,\" \"I am...\" And they do not mind, even they are degraded to the position of the worm of stool. But there is possibility. What is this worm of stool? It is also living entity. It is not a different thing. Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ [Bg. 5.18]. One who knows, he knows that the worm of stool and Brahmā are the same living entity. Simply under different reaction of karma one has become Brahmā and another has become the stool worm.\nNow we begin. It is not difficult. Simply the layout should be sent to different parts, and they will make immediately plate, and that will be paper. Daily you have to send it. Eh?",
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"content": "\n The best place to start is Boston, because they're already equipped there.",
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"content": "\n Yes, already. Even in small scale we can start from Boston.",
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"content": "\n Just like one or two pages.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Never mind. Just like I began in that way. You have seen the...",
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"content": "\n Yes, I saw the original Back to Godhead. A lot of your articles were commenting about current events.",
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"content": "\n Yes. The editorial board must be very intelligent how to talk about Back to Godhead with current politics. Girirāja, you can do that?",
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"content": "\n I could try.",
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"content": "\n Try. You just try it immediately. You take one newspaper and comment on the current news. Any one of you... Every one of you can do. And show me how you have given. Then we start immediately. We have got many things to do. We have Kṛṣṇa, and Kṛṣṇa is the bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka maheśvaram [Bg. 5.29]. What these petty politicians and three acres of land? Their stage is three acres of land; our stage is the unlimited. That I have mentioned in the second volume of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nSo what news they can publish? Three acres of land. We have got the innumerable universes. We can supply so much news, provided people are ready to read it. We have published so many books, they are not even able to read these books. So the other devotees, [laughs] they cannot ri..., come at five o'clock. That is the test. Yes. One who cannot rise early in the morning, he is not spiritually serious. That is test. Brāhma-muhūrta, this hour, one hour before sunrise, is very auspicious moment.",
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"content": "\n I can tell everyone that wants a program to come at five o'clock.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n If somebody wants a program, I can say, \"Come and see me at five o'clock.\" Because after they hear you and they have maṅgala-ārati, then they will be more thoughtful about our...",
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"content": "\n Yes, tell them.",
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"content": "\n I think that's a good idea.",
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"content": "\n You can say now, \"If anyone wants to see us, please come at five o'clock, early in the morning.\" Then I shall see how much serious he is. Now I have decided to go to Delhi. Even Gurudāsa suggests rightly. All of us, we should go to Delhi.",
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"content": "\n It might be difficult to make arrangements, Guru Mahārāja. The place where Gurudāsa is presently staying is not equipped for ten people at present. We'll have to arrange.",
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"content": "\n No, we can arrange in the Birla's house. He has a nice dharmaśāla. You know Birla's house?",
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"content": "\n Yes. We were invited to stay there for ten days.",
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"content": "\n So that's all right. So, who invited?",
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"content": "\n One of the people connected with the temple have associated with us in Delhi, and several have invited us.",
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"content": "\n So first of all take information from the [indistinct] in which train they have booked our seats for Delhi, and you write immediately one letter to Dhruva in Bombay and Tamāla Kṛṣṇa also, that Dhruva may instruct the Delhi Birla dharmaśāla to accommodate us immediately. So their dharmaśāla. It is Birla's dharmaśāla. First of all we have to see how they have made our seats.",
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"content": "\n So the residential place belongs to Mr. Birla?",
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"content": "\n No, it is a temple, very big temple.",
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"content": "\n So we should book seats for Delhi on which day?",
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"content": "\n Seventeenth.",
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"content": "\n Seventeenth you want to leave?",
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"content": "\n Yes. What is the day, seventeenth?",
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"content": "\n Today is the fourteenth.",
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"content": "\n No, day?",
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"content": "\n Today is Monday.",
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"content": "\n Then?",
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"content": "\n Seventeenth is Thursday.",
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"content": "\n Thursday?",
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"content": "\n Thursday, seventeenth.",
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"content": "\n So Thursday, before afternoon, we shall start.",
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"content": "\n You want to go by plane, Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n No, I am asking one ticket for plane.",
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"content": "\n You'll fly alone to Delhi?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n The Delhi airport?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is not difficulty. Ask Gurudāsa to take me. For two hours I can sit down. It goes directly Delhi from here.",
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"content": "\n No, it makes two stops.",
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"content": "\n That doesn't matter.",
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"content": "\n But the same plane.",
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"content": "\n Same plane. And you come, all, by train.",
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"content": "\n Will we open a bank account here? Will we open an account in Indore?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n This morning with Mr. Holi.\n So when we find out your arrival time, Gurudāsa..., we can inform Gurudāsa when you'll be arriving?",
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"content": "\n Yes. And then the next day you come, all, by train. Thursday we can wa...? What is that, Thursday?",
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"content": "\n Thursday [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Oh, Industrial House. Industrial House.",
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"content": "\n It's called \"Industry House.\"",
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"content": "\n Industry, that's all. Industry House. Industry House... Dhruva's full name, you know?",
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"content": "\n R. C.",
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"content": "\n R. C. Dhruva, Secretary to Mr. R. D. Birla, Industry House, Churchgate Reclamation...",
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"content": "\n Bombay West.",
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"content": "\n Bombay.",
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"content": "\n Is Parliament in session again?",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n I was thinking that Parliament goes in and out of session, and I wondered if they remembered this if Parliament was in session again.\n No.\n No.",
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"content": "\n Parliament is in session now?",
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"content": "\n No. Out of session now. When it's in session then all of the politicians come from their castles and their... They all, most of the members of Parliament come all the [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n So when the Parliament begins?",
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"content": "\n It will be [indistinct]. It separates for about a month and then comes together.",
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"content": "\n[someone enters] Aiye. Aiye. [japa]",
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"content": "\n Insofar as seeing the prime minister, this is the best time, because she is not so preoccupied.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Where is that picture? There was picture you took there?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] picture with a letter [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Oh. So... So how long you talked with the Prime Minister?",
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"content": "\n Maybe ten minutes.",
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"content": "\n So she took some interest?",
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"content": "\n She took a courteous interest. As I say, there was no doubt that at the time that she saw him she was pressed with other matters. A very personal friend of hers that Gurudāsa is now staying with told us that she was very impressed, her personal secretary was very impressed, and that she said—we have it on tape—that she would like to see us again and she was sorry that she didn't realize that we had been even waiting for so long. Otherwise we could have come earlier, she would have [indistinct]. In that way she would like to hear some time in the future.\n The next day we saw some yogī.",
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"content": "\n Pressing nose. Nose-pressing philosophy.",
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"content": "\n Haṭha-yoga also.\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n So what was his philosophy?",
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"content": "\n You do some exercises and know God, be self-realized.",
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"content": "\n You should have said to him, \"Are you self-realized?\"",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] a rascal, I didn't want to try.",
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"content": "\n If they tell you then he's God...",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] exercise and breathing [indistinct] some type of meditation performed.\n He's social svāmī, a very social svāmī. He's very polished in a material way.\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n And smoking also?",
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"content": "\n I didn't inquire into his vices.\n In New York they call them \"uptown svāmīs.\" [indistinct]\n His example of spiritual life is based on material prosperity.",
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"content": "\n So why they should go to the yoga system? The science is more advanced. Before flying in the sky by a yogī he has to press his nose for so many years, and the science has given us the airplane. He can purchase ticket, immediately fly. [laughter] What is use of pressing nose?",
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"content": "\n You explain that in Bhāgavatam.",
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"content": "\n Yes. What is the use, wasting time?",
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"content": "\n You said about when you walk on the water, walking on the water is a bogus thing, a two-cent yogī, because for two cents he could have taken a boat across.",
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"content": "\n That's all. If that is the ultimate end of life, to walk on the water or to fly in the sky, so science has given them all opportunity. And their material science is so advanced that all this yoga system is now almost accomplished, because that is material only, material prosperity. [someone enters] Aiye.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Yes, eating flesh sumptuously and get fat. Flesh-eaters get fatty very quickly, flesh-eaters. Māṁsa. The skin becomes increased for flesh-eating. You see in your country, the Russia? Russian beauty—big belly, fat. That...",
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"content": "\n Germans are like that, too. Germans.",
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"content": "\n Germans. If you eat meat, you very quickly can get fatty. Also too much ghee also. [chuckles] That is also. But ghee will increase your belly only. Just see Marwaris. [laughter] But by eating flesh you'll get sturdy, good lump of muscles. That is... In Āyur Veda there is a chapter which is called Dravya-guṇa. There is a book, Dravya-guṇa. So they have analyzed so many different kinds of flesh—birds, beasts, animals.\nHow they have analyzed? That \"If you eat this kind flesh you will get this kind of result.\" Hundreds of fleshes. What do they know? They can eat only cow's flesh or dog's flesh or hog's flesh. Yes. But there are so many, even birds, beasts, animals, and so many, analysis. And Bernard Shaw, I think, he wrote one book, You Are What You Eat.",
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"content": "\n George Bernard Shaw.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So they are becoming animals, animals eating animal flesh. Bernard Shaw was vegetarian.",
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"content": "\n Except he would take liver for his health.",
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"content": "\n Liver?",
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"content": "\n Yes. He used to take some liver periodically for his health.",
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"content": "\n Medicine. There are many liver extract preparations.",
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"content": "\n No, not liver extract. Maybe. I don't know exactly. But I know he used to take liver. Not cod liver oil or anything.",
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"content": "\n No, liver extract preparations there are many medicines. For anemic patient liver extract is recommended.",
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"content": "\n That's all right for us to take?",
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"content": "\n No, but if you are going to die, then you can take.",
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"content": "\n Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n When required for such trouble, if you are going to die, then, to save yourself, you can.",
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"content": "\n If that liver can be eaten raw...",
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"content": "\n If you are going to die. Not ordinary. If it is sure that without liver extract you shall die, you can take.",
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"content": "\n You cannot tell. You can't tell until you actually [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Because when there is question of death, it is recommended you may take anything to save your life.",
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"content": "\n Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n But those who are rigid, they are prepared to die even.",
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"content": "\n Vaiṣṇavas, wouldn't they just chant?",
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"content": "\n Their proposal is \"Death is sure today or tomorrow, so why shall I change my principles? Death will take place even if I live for ten years more, and what is the benefit? Why shall I change my principles? It is not that by taking that medicine or liver extract I shall be amara, immortal.\" That is not possible.\nIf somebody gives some medicine that one can make himself immortal, that is another thing. Nobody is going to be immortal. Why he should be afraid of death? Death will take place. \"As sure as death.\" So today or tomorrow or hundred years after. So if one moment is utilized for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that makes life successful. Why shall I live for hundred years, waste my time? One moment is sufficient for living.",
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"content": "\n Śrīla Prabhupāda? [indistinct] I just have one question about the ending, that Ajāmila, he was calling the name of his youngest son.",
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"content": "\n Nārāyaṇa.",
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"content": "\n He was thinking, but he was calling out to him, and after calling, he was reminded of his early life, of his worshiping the real Nārāyaṇa.",
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"content": "\n Nārāyaṇa.",
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"content": "\n And therefore Nārāyaṇa saved him. Isn't that true?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Not that he was simply calling and Nārāyaṇa had to save him...",
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"content": "\n But simply calling \"Nārāyaṇa,\" he reminded, he remembered. Remembered. Yes.",
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"content": "\n He remembered the real Nārāyaṇa.",
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"content": "\n Because actually when one chants Lord Kṛṣṇa's name, Lord's name, immediately he remembers Lord's form, activities, pastimes, everything. That is natural.",
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"content": "\n Not that he was unconsciously just chanting, and the Lord saved him in that way, but he actually remembered the Lord.",
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"content": "\n That is the remark of Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura. But according to others' opinion, even simply by chanting, that is sufficient. In the Bhāgavata it is stated like that. But Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura has remarked that this chanting referred to the context. Immediately he remembered Nārāyaṇa.",
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"content": "\n In that same connection, the story of Ṭhākura Haridāsa and the harlot, that she began to chant and told him the reason that she was a prostitute, she was no good, and simply by that association she began to chant, or by previous association...",
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"content": "\n No, by association. By the influence of Haridāsa Ṭhākura. For three days, three days she associated.",
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"content": "\n But Professor Sanyal was putting forward his theory that in previous lives she had had association; therefore she began to chant.",
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"content": "\n Why previous lives? That's not very good reason.",
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"content": "\n Subconscious, that she had subconsciously remembered.",
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"content": "\n No. No, no. That is not.",
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"content": "\n In one of the Back to Godhead magazines, he wrote in some book.",
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"content": "\n That is not. He advocates that.[?] Direct association with Haridāsa Ṭhākura. Why previously?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] he wants to say that previously she had done some chanting, therefore [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n We don't find any such thing. Professor Sanyal was not very much advanced. He committed so many blunders.",
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"content": "\n You heard about that article?",
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"content": "\n That was the one that [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Well, if that sort of remark is given, it is not against the śāstra, but it was not necessarily previously. His direct association. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says,\nsādhu saṅga sādhu saṅga sarva śāstra kaya\nlava mātra sādhu saṅge sarva siddhi haya\n [Cc. Madhya 22.54]\n\"Even a moment's association with a pure devotee—all success.\" Not necessarily that one has to acquire it previous. No. Generally it is so, but sādhu sanga has got its effect. Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, lavamatra sādhu sanga sarva siddhi haya. You have not read in the Sanātana-śikṣā in the Teachings of Lord Caitanya?",
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"content": "\n Does that also apply to reading the words of a pure devotee?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Even a little association with your books has the same effect?",
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"content": "\n Effect, of course, it requires both the things. One must be very eager to take it. Just like Mahārāja Parīkṣit heard Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, and there are so many others, they are also reading Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. So Mahārāja Parīkṣit was very serious. So both things should be serious. Just like the example: the husband and wife must be potent; then there is pregnancy. Otherwise there is no pregnancy. So sowing the seed, the field also must be fertile, or receptible, then the seed will fructify. It is reciprocal.",
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"content": "\n But if the seed starts to sprout and it lacks sufficient facilities, then it will die completely.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes.",
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"content": "\n But if a spiritual seed starts to sprout, then whatever sprout is made is never lost. Right?",
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"content": "\n Yes. It is not lost, but it is checked. Sometimes he is checked.",
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"content": "\n Because the tendency to revive again.",
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"content": "\n In that way again one has to... That brings the question of previous life. One was advanced so much; it was checked by some reason; he again begins from that point. Just like Bilvamaṅgala Ṭhākura. Bilvamaṅgala Ṭhākura was advanced in his previous life up to bhava-bhakti.\nSomehow or other, it was checked. But as soon as he heard the words from the prostitute, \"Oh, you are so much after the flesh and similar, and bones and skin. If you had been so much eager for Kṛṣṇa, how you would have been disposed,\" immediately he came to that point and immediately left. I'll take... [devotees offer obeisances]",
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"content": "\n Śrīla Prabhupāda? The other day you talked about the spirit soul and his position in the brahma-jyotir, that there's no shelter there. Just like we go up, up, up into the sky [indistinct] there's no shelter there, so you have to go to some planet. So I was thinking that the reason why our position is shaky is due to this body. But spirit, being restless, can remain anywhere, and shelter...",
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"content": "\n Yes, but there the shelter is transcendental bliss. The impersonal Brahman is not transcendental bliss. It is simply eternity. But we want three things: eternity, full knowledge and blissful life. So there is no bliss.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Just as we require shelter because we have the body...",
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"content": "\n Yes. So similarly, this living entity also requires shelter of blissful life. That is this association of Kṛṣṇa. So unless he gets that, he wants blissfulness, but—there is some spiritual blissfulness; he has no information—he comes down again to this perverted blissfulness of this material world.",
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"content": "\n They don't take their pleasure in being there in the brahma-jyotir? They don't [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n There is no pleasure. Blissfulness is not there. That is... Brahma-jyotir is simply eternity, that's all. The same example can be given: just like sunlight. There is only light. But on a planet, the effect of the light is there—there are so many trees, so many flowers, fruits. We..., we want varieties of pleasure. Variety is the mother of...",
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"content": "\n \"Variety is the spice of life.\"",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n Spice of life.",
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"content": "\n Oh. Yes. So therefore, we are living entities, life. We want variety. So this is the varietyless—no variety; one kind, sunlight. We require sunlight. We are so much anxious for sunlight. Not only sunlight.",
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"content": "\n It must be very boring. It is very boring in the brahma-jyotir? You get very bored? There is nothing to do? Nowhere to go?",
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"content": "\n Bore?",
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"content": "\n Boring, dull.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n But at first they are satisfied, aren't they, that they've achieved their goal?",
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"content": "\n Aviśuddha-buddhayaḥ [SB 10.2.32]. They do not know. They are after brahmaṇanda, transcendental pleasure, but they do not know what is actually transcendental pleasure, impersonalists. Therefore their intelligence is not clean. They go to the spiritual kingdom, transcendental platform, but they do not know that how the real transcendental pleasure can be achieved. Therefore their knowledge is not perfect.",
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"content": "\n When they want to come back, is it very easy for them to come back, or have they got to endure...?",
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"content": "\n No, they automatically come back, because he is hankering after varieties. So that variety is not there, so he is attracted again in the material world. Just like so many sannyāsīs. Take Vivekananda. He wanted to lecture on Vedānta, which is liberation. He came again back to the hospitalizing and philanthropic work because he could not find the variety of pleasure in Vedānta.\nOf course, he was not very much advanced. There are many. There is a sannyāsī is here, he's a...., Kārpātrī. He is very learned and other... He was formerly speaking on Vedānta and other... Now he is in politics and cow protection. You see? There are many.",
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"content": "\n The question I had is I have a hazy memory that one time I heard that when a soul, when it finally does enter into brahma-jyotir, that he has to remain there for some long duration of time, a daytime of Brahmā or a lifetime of Brahmā. Is that correct? What is that duration?",
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"content": "\n Not that. That is not like that.",
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"content": "\n Not like that. Thank you.",
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"content": "\n But he feels inconvenience without varieties of life. The Bhāgavata says, tvayy asta-bhāvād aviśuddha-buddhayaḥ: \"Their intelligence is not clean.\" Arūhya kṛcchreṇa paraṁ padaṁ tataḥ [SB 10.2.32]: \"Although they rise up to the brahma-jyotir,\" patanty adho tataḥ, \"they again come back.\"",
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"content": "\n And the nirvāṇa conception of life is just before Brahman?",
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"content": "\n Nirvāṇa conception is marginal position between brahma-jyotir and this material world.",
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"content": "\n Just on the brink.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Kāraṇārṇava. Kāraṇārṇava. The Kāraṇa Ocean, wherefrom the beginning of creation, material creation, that is nirvāṇa.",
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"content": "\n Virajā.",
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"content": "\n Virajā, yes.",
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"content": "\n Is it possible to go there?",
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"content": "\n Why not? Yes.",
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"content": "\n Arjuna went there.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n What was Arjuna's purpose?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa took him to show His friend. He did not go alone. That he could not. No. [laughter] It was Kṛṣṇa's [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n So he went to the spiritual sky?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Then what is the use of making friendship with Kṛṣṇa if you cannot do that? There was a rich man in Calcutta, Motilal Sil. He was so rich that... Every man has different circle in younger days. So he would see. If any of his friends did not possess a house in Calcutta, he would purchase house. He said that \"If people say, 'Oh, you are friend of Motilal Sil. You have no your own house?' what people will say about me? He must have his own house.\"\nHe purchased house for him. He was very big man. And there are many incidences also like, a very noble story. Actually it was not long ago, say about hundred years ago. He would not see that any one of his associates, friends, does not possess a house in Calcutta. Another Kṛṣṇa's friend, Sudāmā also. [chuckles] He could not recognize his own place, how it has happened, palatial buildings, garden. In Kṛṣṇa, you have not read Sudāmā?\nGive me water.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] mentions in the Teachings of Lord Caitanya that a devotee in attachment selects one of the Vṛndāvana..., the inhabitants of Vṛndāvana, and follows in his footsteps in order to be successful in his own devotional service. Does that mean that one of our spiritual masters is an eternal representative of Vṛndāvana? [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n What is that? Let me...",
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"content": "\n It says, \"All inhabitants of Vrajabhūmi, Vṛndāvana, are very dear to Kṛṣṇa. A devotee in attachment selects one of the inhabitants and follows in his footsteps in order to be successful.\"",
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"content": "\n Devotee... Devoted to the Vṛndāvana inhabitants. You don't directly think of yourself that \"I shall see Kṛṣṇa as my son.\"",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n That is Māyāvāda.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n You have to follow the footsteps of Yasoda-mā.",
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"content": "\n Yes. You've told me that before.",
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"content": "\n Then it will be success.",
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"content": "\n But you've said that you are always in Vṛndāvana, so we are following a Vṛndāvana inhabitant. That's right.",
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"content": "\n Yes. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n It says, \"One should always remember the activities of that particular inhabitant of Vraja.\"",
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"content": "\n Now you have got Kapoor[?] darśana?",
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"content": "\n Yes.\n Have we got an engagement this morning?\nYes. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n He asked if we have an engagement this morning, 8:30. [indistinct] Molpar[?].",
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"content": "\n Oh, Molpar[?], yes. They'll send cars?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n How far is it?",
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"content": "\n It's supposed to be just in the neighborhood.",
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"content": "\n Oh, that's all right.",
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"content": "\nWhat's his position? His Highness?\nHis Highness [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nHe was formerly prince.",
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"content": "\n Of this area?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n He had written that [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n That is the sign of princely opulence.",
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"content": "\n He's the son of this man we saw last week? This Mahārāja? It's not his son?",
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"content": "\n No, no, he is also old man.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] because I have to wait for Mr. Homing. I won't be going to that place, because I'll be waiting for Mr. Homing.",
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"content": "\n Homing is coming?",
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"content": "\n Yes, and I... We'll open a bank account.",
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"content": "\n That's it.",
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"content": "\n We'll open a one-sided account. Book account and, er...",
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"content": "\n Book Fund account, selling, and one International Society, checking account. [devotees offer obeisances] So what we have to do in that connection?",
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"content": "\n Bring [indistinct] just now.",
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"content": "\nSo those who attend lecture will kindly sit down. Speaking in English for the majority.",
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"content": "\n[aside, introducing recording:] The following lecture was recorded on the morning of the 22nd December, 1971..., 1970, Surat, India. [break]",
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"content": "\n\nveda-praṇihito dharmo\nhy adharmas tad-viparyayaḥ\nvedo nārāyaṇaḥ sākṣāt\nsvayambhūr iti śuśruma\n[SB 6.1.40]\nSo we were speaking this verse yesterday morning. So vedo nārāyaṇaḥ sākṣāt. That is to be understood—why Vedas are given so much importance. Here it is explained that Veda means directly Nārāyaṇa. Why? Because Nārāyaṇa is absolute, God is absolute; therefore the words of God are also God. You cannot make any differentiation. Sākṣāt, directly.\nSo this is to be understood, that God—His form, His quality, His pastimes, His entourage—everything of God is God. Even sometimes... Why sometimes? Always: the devotee of God is also God. Just like we chanted this mantra, sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstraiḥ, that \"In every scripture the spiritual master is identified as directly God.\" Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstraiḥ.\nViśvanātha Cakravartī said, not that any sectarian śāstra, but all śāstra, all scriptures, they admit that the spiritual master is God directly. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktaḥ: ** \"It is said; it is mentioned.\" Authoritative śāstra, actually bona fide śāstra, it is said. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktaḥ: \"It is said.\"\nAnd sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ: \"And that is accepted by all strict followers of transcendental science.\" Not that somebody admits or somebody does not admit. No. Everyone, sadbhiḥ. Sad-bhiḥ means \"by the transcendentalists, those who are actually making progress in transcendental science and those who are..., objective is to reach the Supreme.\" They are doing.\nThen again, Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura says, kintu prabhor yaḥ priya eva tasya. Why the spiritual master should be accepted directly as Nārāyaṇa and God? The Māyāvāda philosophers, they say, \"Yes, spiritual master is God and I am God, you are God—everyone is God.\" No. That is rectified. Everyone is not God. God is God, and living entities are living entities. In the Vedas it is..., nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]: \"He is the prime entity of all entities.\" So there cannot be two Gods. One God.\nAs such, if God is one, there cannot be two religion also, because religion means to understand God, to love God. That is religion. And religion means the words of God, just as it is said. So why there should be two religions? There cannot be two religions. There may be some difference according to climate, country, population. There may be some difference in the execution of religion. But on principle there cannot be two religions, because God is one, and religion means the words of God. So how there can be two religions?\nWe have made two, three, four, five, six, increasing the number of religion. Just like in New York we have seen the United Nation's organization. It is said that united, but there are thousands of flags. Disunited. Because actually they do not want to unite. It is a farce that they have made a United Nation organization. Nobody wants to unite. In the material world how there can be unity? That is not possible.\nMaterial world means everyone wants to enjoy to his satisfaction sense gratification. That is material world. So you want to satisfy your senses, I want to satisfy my senses. Therefore there is struggle: \"Oh, this man is enjoying so much; I am unable.\" Even brother to brother, envious: \"Oh, my this brother has increased so much money. He is enjoying.\" Envious. That is material envy: envious, to be envious.\nTherefore the science of God is for persons who are not envious. That is religion. Bhāgavata..., in the Bhāgavata you will find in the beginning it is said, dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavaḥ atra paramo nirmatsarāṇāṁ satām [SB 1.1.2]: \"Here the religion of Bhāgavata is not a cheating religion.\" Kaitava. Kaitava means cheating. Cheating. And Śrīdhara Svāmī has remarked, commented on the statement, kaitava, he says that atra mokṣa-vāñchā-paryantaṁ nirastam: \"Anyone who is trying to become liberated or merge into the existence of God, that is also cheating.\"\nNirastam: that is also nullified. Nirastam. Why? Why the...? A person who is trying to be merged into the existence of God, jñānīs... Those who are philosophically advancing, they are called jñānīs. The absolute idea is that \"Because I am Brahman, and God is also Brahman, therefore, as soon as I am freed from māyā, I become one with God.\"\nIn one sense it is all right, because God and the living entity, they are of the same quality. As it is stated in the Vedas, nityo nityānām. There are millions and trillions of nitya, eternally. So God is the chief eternal. Therefore quality, eternity, is there both for the living entities and God. Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]. Knowledge, sense, cetanatā, life, activities...\nSo God is also active; the living entities are also active. But His actions and my actions are not comparable. Just like God is creator; I am also creator. So in this way I am one. I have got creative power; God has also creative power. But God creates innumerable universes, and you can create a motorcar. That's all, no more. Or atom bomb—to kill.\nYou cannot create a planet; you can create a sputnik. With great difficulty it flies in the sky. But God's creation—innumerable planets, they are floating without any machine. Still, the rascal says, \"There is no God. I am God.\" You do like God; then you become God. What you have done like God? You have created a toy flying in the sky. Therefore you are so much proud that you compare yourself with God? This is called demons, demonic. Unnecessarily, without any authority, when a man claims that \"I am God,\" that is demonic.\nNow, just like Hiraṇyakaśipu, Rāvaṇa. Rāvaṇa was materially very much powerful, but he defied Rāma: \"What is Rāma? I am more than Rāma. I shall kidnap His wife, and I shall enjoy.\" So this is Rāvaṇa, Rāvaṇa spirit. Sītā... Sītā is Lakṣmī. Lakṣmī is the goddess of fortune. So God is the husband of the goddess of fortune, and goddess of fortune is under His control.\nLakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānam [Bs. 5.29]. Thousands and millions of goddesses of fortune are serving the Supreme Lord, and I am thinking that \"God has become poor, daridra, daridra-nārāyaṇa.\" And what does...? Nārāyaṇa, He is so great authority that His words are accepted as Vedic truth, and He has become daridra? These are all demonic declaration.\nSo sincere..., those who are actually followers of Vedas, they should understand that there is no difference between the Lord and His words—absolute. We read Bhagavad-gītā, the words of Kṛṣṇa. Then how we can change the meaning of Gītā when it is spoken by Lord? Does it mean that I am greater than the Lord? \"Kṛṣṇa left something to be told by some rascals later on\"—is that the meaning of Bhagavad-gītā? Then where is the authority of Bhagavad-gītā? If the meaning was to be corrected and commented by a conditioned soul, then where is the authority of Bhagavad-gītā? Then what is the necessity of reading Bhagavad-gītā? Simply because it is written in Sanskrit? No. That is not the fact.\nThe words of Bhagavad-gītā are Kṛṣṇa. That should be taken into consideration. That is real reading of Bhagavad-gītā. And if we read Bhagavad-gītā according to my whims—I like some stanza; I take it, and other stanza I give up—that is not reading of Bhagavad-gītā. You have to take everything, what it is presented.\nJust like Arjuna says, who has taken Bhagavad-gītā as it is. He says, sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye yan māṁ vadasi keśava [Bg. 10.14]: \"My dear Lord...\" He... Of course, he was friend. \"My dear Kṛṣṇa, whatever You have spoken, I accept in toto.\" There is no question of eliminating this stanza and that stanza. I accept some, selected, and I become a student of Bhagavad-gītā, authority of Bhagavad-gītā. No. That is not authority of Bhagavad-gītā. You have to accept. And then it is...\nSimilarly, Vedas, as I gave you the example, that in the Vedas you will find that stools are considered as impure, stool of some animal, but Vedas says that \"This stool, the cow stool, is pure.\" So there is no argument, that \"Once you said that stool of animal is impure, and another time you say that this stool is pure. Once you said that all bones of animals are impure; again you say that śaṅkha, conchshell... This is also a bone of an animal. You say it is pure.\" So there cannot be any argument. Veda says, \"This is this; this is that,\" we have to accept it. That is the following of religion. Dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19].\nAnd vedaḥ sākṣāt... Vedo nārāyaṇaḥ sākṣāt svayambhūḥ [SB 6.1.40]. Svayambhūr iti śuśruma. Svayambhū. Svayambhū means which is not created by any man. Just like Brahmā is sometimes called Svayambhū. His another name is Svayambhū. Svayambhū means he was not created by father and mother. The father-mother... Ordinarily, a living entity take birth by the combination of father and mother. But Brahmā is called Svayambhū, because he is not created by father and mother. Then again, you can argue that Brahmā was created by Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, so He is his father. But the argument can be defied that although He is the father, but he was not born of a mother. That is all-powerful Kṛṣṇa, Nārāyaṇa, Viṣṇu.\nYou have seen the picture that Nārāyaṇa is lying down on the water of Garbhodaka, udaka, and Lakṣmī is massaging His lotus feet, and Brahmā in a lotus flower is born. So generally, when a father begets a son, he takes the advantage of his wife, the help of his wife. But here Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, although His wife is present, He did not take the assistance of the wife. A lotus sprouted from His navel, and there was Brahmā. That is all-powerful.\nGenerally we understand that whenever there is birth, the man and woman must combine. But that is for ordinary entities or in this material world. But that is not posable in the case of God, or Viṣṇu. Therefore He is called sarva-śaktimān, all-powerful. He can do anything, whatever He likes.\nIn the Brahma-saṁhitā it is stated, aṅgāni yasya sakalendriya-vṛttimanti paśyanti pānti kalayanti ciraṁ jaganti [Bs. 5.32]. So we have to take the help of Vedic literature. Then we understand what is God. Aṅgāni yasya sakalendriya-vṛttimanti: \"The limbs of Kṛṣṇa, or God, has got the potency of all other limbs.\" Just like with eyes we can see only, but Kṛṣṇa, or God, can eat also with eyes. With ears we simply hear, but... Just like this navel. The navel has got some purpose, but Kṛṣṇa can beget, Nārāyaṇa can beget a child also, Brahmā. Therefore, in the śāstras it is said, aṅgāni yasya sakalendriya-vṛttimanti: all the potencies of all other limbs can be found in...\n[aside:] Why it is closed?",
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"content": "\n But others who are outside, they are closed. It can be open. You can ask them to stop.\nSo Śrīdhara Svāmī says, vedena praṇihitaḥ vihita-dharma, vedena praṇihitaḥ vihita-dharma, na ca veda-pramāṇa..., sa ca veda-pramāṇaka ity arthaḥ.[?] So whenever you accept some religion, you have to corroborate with the words of the Vedas. Then that is religion. Veda means knowledge, the knowledge, not ordinary knowledge—transcendental knowledge. Why Vedas' knowledge accepted so rigidly? It is already said, sākṣād nārāyaṇaḥ. Because it is spoken by... In the words of Nārāyaṇa there are no deficiencies.\nIn the words of conditioned soul there are so many deficiencies. Why? The deficiencies are that bhrama... Any conditioned soul, however great he may be, he must commit mistakes. That is one of the deficiencies. In this material world, however great one may be in the estimation of the general populace, he is not above committing mistakes. \"To err is human,\" as it is said. He'll commit mistake.\nBhrama, pramāda. And pramāda means to accept something as something, something else. Just like the most erudite scholar, he also accepts that \"This body is the self. There is no soul.\" Others... There are many scholars, they do not accept that there is soul differently. \"This body is everything.\" That is called pramāda.\nBhrama, pramāda, vipralipsā. Vipralipsā means cheating. Every conditioned soul has a cheating propensity. \"For my purpose, to fulfill my purpose, I say something to you which is not beneficial to you, but still, I impress that this is right.\" That is called cheating. And karaṇa-pāṭava. Karaṇa means the senses. The senses are also imperfect. I am seeing the sun daily with my eyes, but still, I have no full knowledge of the sun, because my eyes are imperfect. If there is any sound upstairs, and I inquire, \"What is this sound?\"\n[aside:] Why he is crying so much? What is that? [man talking loudly outside the room]",
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"content": "\n Oh, telephone. Oh. That's all right. So Śrīdhara Svāmī says that vedena praṇihita vihita dharmaḥ sa ca veda-pramāṇaka ity arthaḥ. Unless it is verified by the words of the Vedas, that cannot be accepted as authoritative.\nAnena yo veda-pramakaḥ sa dharmaḥ. Now, it is concluded that \"Anything which is supported by the Vedic injunction, that is dharma.\" Sa dharma yo 'dharmo na veda pramāṇakaḥ: \"And any dharma which is not corroborated by the Vedas, that is not dharma. That is not accepted as religion.\" Iti svarūpaḥ pramāṇaṁ ca ity uktam[?]. Now, that is the characteristic of dharma, svarūpa. So if we want to understand what is dharma, then the test should be whether it is corroborated by the Vedas. Then it is dharma. Otherwise it is...\nNow, the question may be that the Indians or the followers of the Vedas... Now it has become so. Actually, the followers of Vedas are everyone. Every human being is the followers of Veda, because the history of all other religions, they are all recent—one thousand year, two thousand years, three thousand years—but you cannot trace out the history of the Vedic religion. So from historical point of view, suppose one religion is current for the last three thousand years. Then what was their condition before three thousand years?\nSo the natural conclusion is: as there was no such religion three thousand years and the Vedic religion has no history—it is coming from time immemorial—that was the religion. Take for example in India. Twenty years before there was no Pakistan, but now there is Pakistan. Under certain circumstances, the religious principle has changed, but originally every human being on this planet were following the Vedic religion. And another sense, everyone is following the Vedic religion if it is religion.\nHow? In the Bhagavad-gītā you will find that vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ [Bg. 15.15]. Sarvaṁ vedam: \"all Vedas.\" \"All Vedas\" means originally there was one Veda, Ṛg Veda, or somebody says Atharva Veda. Then, later on it was divided into four: Ṛg, Sāma, Yajur, Atharva. Then, from the Vedic injunction, then it was summarized, which is called Vedānta, summarized in sūtras: janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1], athāto brahma jijñāsā.\nIn the sūtra there are so many meanings. Then the Upaniṣads, 108 Upaniṣads, they are also Vedic. Then they were explained further for ordinary men—the Purāṇas. They are also Vedas. Then it was further explained by Mahābhārata. So that is also Vedas. Rāmāyaṇa, that is also Vedas.\nSo any scripture, any literature, transcendental literature, whose aim is to understand God, that is Veda. Therefore anyone who is searching after the Supreme Lord, he is following the Vedic religion. This is another conclusion. The searching process may be different according to the country, climate, but if the ultimate goal is God, then that is accepted as religion. Just like Christian religion. Christian religion, they are also searching after God—Lord Jesus Christ advising, \"Be lover of God.\" He presents himself as son of God. The Muhammadan, Muhammad, he also presented himself as servant of God. In this way, everyone is accepting.\nOr if anyone is accepting God as the ultimate goal of religious process, that is also Vedic. Because Kṛṣṇa says that vedaiś ca sarvair aham [Bg. 15.15]. And a godless scripture, that is not accepted as religion. Therefore in India, although Lord Buddha appeared in India—he was a kṣatriya, and he started some religious principle—it is not accepted, because it is not..., in the Buddha religion, there is no acceptance of God or soul.\nSo these are some of the points. But the Bhāgavata says that although in the Buddha religion there is no, I mean to say, mention of worshiping God, but Lord Buddha is Himself incarnation of God, and He induced His followers to worship Him. Therefore in the Bhāgavata it is said that He cheated the atheists. The atheists were against God. He appeared before them. He said, \"Yes, you are right. You don't worship God. You worship Me.\" And He is incarnation of God. Keśava dhṛta-buddha-śarīra jaya jagadīśa hare [Daśāvatāra-stotra 9]. He is accepted in the Vedic literature as incarnation of God, but He says that \"There is no God. You worship Me. You follow Me,\" because His principle was to stop animal-killing. Sadaya-hṛdaya darśita-paśu-ghātam.\nHe was... God became very much compassionate. When people were too much addicted in killing animals unnecessarily, He appeared as Lord Buddha. Sadaya-hṛdaya darśita-paśu-ghātam. Paśu-ghātam. The paśu-ghātam means they were being implicated in innumerable sinful activities by this process. Therefore God wanted to... Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati [Bg. 4.7]. In the name of religion, they were killing so many animals. Therefore to stop this nonsense, he appeared.\nAnd He declined to accept the Vedic principles, because there was no other way to stop. If He would have accepted Vedic principles, then these animal-killers would have shown Him evidences that in the Vedas there is mention of animal-killing in the sacrifice. But He wanted to stop completely animal-killing; so therefore He adopted a new type of religion. But those who were followers of Vedic religion, they did not accept, because that is not religion, because it is against the Vedas. These are the principles.\nŚaṅkarācārya... Śaṅkarācārya, after Buddha, His Holiness Śaṅkarācārya appeared to drive away Buddhism, and he established again Vedic religion. But that Vedic religion, being impersonal, that is also not Vedic religion. That is also another cheat. That God is person. Nityo nityānām. Nityānām, the so many living entities—everyone is person. How God can be imperson? If God is the supreme father... If you are a person, then how your father can be imperson? So that is imperfect knowledge. When we speak of God as imperson, that is imperfect knowledge.\nvadanti tat tattva-vidas\ntattvaṁ yaj jñānam advayam\nbrahmeti paramātmeti\nbhagavān iti śabdyate\n[SB 1.2.11]\nThe Absolute Truth is presented in three different phases. One is Brahman, impersonal Brahman, another is localized Paramātmā, and another is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nSo we shall discuss again. Next morning, please come. [break]",
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"content": "\n ...that Lord Buddha, he adopted a new type of religion, but those who were strict followers of Vedas, they would not accept Him. Does that mean that there were still people who were following those beliefs, scriptures, at his time, or did He convert all of India?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Lord Buddha was patronized by the then emperor, Ashoka. And anything patronized by the state, it becomes very popular. Yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhaḥ lokas tad anuvartate [Bg. 3.21]. So Lord Buddha converted Ashoka, Emperor Ashoka, to this religion. Therefore whole India became Buddhist. And later on, when Buddhism was driven out of India, the Jainism and similar other religious principles became visible.\nAhiṁsā paramo dharmaḥ. Lord Buddha... Ahiṁsā paramo dharmaḥ is also Vedic religion, but they stressed especially on ahiṁsā. In the Bhagavad-gītā you will find: amānitvam adambhitvam ahiṁsā kṣāntir ārjavam [Bg. 13.8]. These are the different steps of, I mean to say, progressing in knowledge and religion.\nThe first thing is amānitvam. Amānitvam means very humble. Very humble. And therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu teaches that tṛṇād api sunīcena, \"Just become humbler than the straw in the street or grass.\" To become religious means... Lord Jesus Christ also, he taught like that—\"The humble and meek will attain the kingdom of God.\" Is it not said like that?",
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"content": "\n He said, \"The greatest amongst you shall be the last...\"",
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"content": "\n \"...and the servant of all.\"",
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"content": "\n So this is taught also in the Bhagavad-gītā. Amānitvam adambhitvam. No false pride. Then ahiṁsā. Unless one is prideless, unless one is humble, it is not possible to become nonviolent. So this nonviolence is also there, the Vaiṣṇava. So automatically they don't encourage animal-killing.\nSo every religion, the highest principle of any religion is there in Vaiṣṇavites, or the followers of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Any best thing, in any religion, you will find in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore it is perfect. Buddha religion teaches ahiṁsā; the Kṛṣṇa conscious people are ahiṁsā. Lord Jesus teaches love of God; they are the best lover of God.\nAnd Hindu religion teaches liberation; they are... As soon as they become Kṛṣṇa conscious, immediately they are liberated. Immediately, instantly. There is no question of asking for liberation. Bilvamaṅgala Ṭhākura says liberation means... What is that? Liberation from this material hankering. And what is that material hankering? To satisfy the senses.\nSo these devotees, they are not for satisfying their senses. They are simply trying to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa said that sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. They are determined to preach this cult, that \"You surrender to Kṛṣṇa.\" Therefore they are actual representative of Kṛṣṇa. Immediately they are liberated. So, so far liberation is concerned, there is. So far ahiṁsā, nonviolence, there is. So far love of God is there, there is.\nSo combination of Hindu religion, Muslim religion... And Muslims also, they also say their bandeḥ. They also pray in the mosque. I do not know, of course, all other religions. These principal things I know. They also accept Allah-u akbar, \"God is great.\" We are all bandehs, all servants. So that is also... Vaiṣṇavism, that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. \"Kṛṣṇa is great.\"\nSo any highest principle of religion in any religion of the world you take, this is the summarization of all religions, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And that is accepted by Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam—sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6]: \"That is first-class religion which teaches how to love God, how to learn to love God.\" That is first class, not the rituals, not the formulas. That is another thing.\nJust like when a man is diseased, the physicians prescribes so many, that \"You don't do this. You do this. You take this medicine. You just...\" That is according to the particular disease. But the real aim is to be cured from the disease. So any religion which teaches to be cured from the material disease of sense gratification and teaches love of Godhead, that is perfect religion.",
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"content": "\n You were saying that Lord Buddha gave impetus to Buddhism by converting the Emperor Ashoka. What is...?",
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"content": "\n No, no. Lord Buddha, of course, did not came to convert... Ashoka liked it, that's all.",
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"content": "\n But because of that, that gave impetus to the spreading of Buddhism.",
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"content": "\n That is natural. If the state is after some religion... Just like Christian religion spread in India because there was Christian government. The Muhammadan religion spread because there was Muhammadan government. That is natural. If the state is following a certain type of religion, then naturally...\nAnd that is said in the Bhagavad-gītā: yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhaḥ [Bg. 3.21]. Just like in India, at least in Bengal, we have got the history that educated persons, they saw that \"In Christian religion one can drink, one can eat meat. So why not become Christian?\" So the drunkards and meat-eaters, they became Christian. Similarly Muhammadans also, they saw a clue to deviate from the Vedic principles, and they turned themselves.\nJust like Aurangzeb enacted the jizya tax, that all the Hindus will have to pay this tax. So the untouchables... Because Hindus made these untouchables, so untouchables, they thought that \"Why shall I pay the tax? Better become Muhammadan.\" So, so many people, they became converted into Muhammadan.\nSo a state controls anything, if the state... Now the state is secular, atheist, the people are becoming atheist. They are teaching that \"Throw away these scriptures. You eat everything. What is the wrong in eating flesh, eating meat, eating chickens?\" They are advertising, \"Eggs are available here.\" When the state supports, so people follow.\nyad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas\nlokas tad anuvartate\nsa yat pramāṇaṁ kurute\nitaras te...\n[Bg. 3.21]\nThis is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā.",
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"content": "\n When the Emperor Constantine... The Emperor Constantine in Rome, when he became a Christian, that was the real beginning of the Christian era.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Because the whole Europe was under Roman Empire. That's nice.",
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"content": "\n Śrīla Prabhupāda, in the United States' Constitution there is a Bill of Rights that says that any religion can be practiced. Do we mean to say that [indistinct] can be practised. Therefore anything goes and people become atheistic?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Don't you feel that your people are atheistic?",
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"content": "\n They are simply after wine and women. So that is fall of religion. Just like Mahārāja Parīkṣit: As soon as he saw that one man was trying to kill a cow, immediately took his sword: \"Who are you? You are killing a cow in my kingdom?\" So if the state does not take steps in maintaining religion, then religion will fall down. Just like a father: if he does not take care of his son to be a man of character, he becomes a debauchee. That is natural.\nSo according to Vedic principles, the kings were very much highly trained to see how the people are advancing in the spiritual knowledge. Just like one king... You will find in The Nectar of Devotion. There was law that... [chuckles] He said that \"If I do not find any one of my citizens with tilaka, then I shall punish him.\"\nSo everyone, out of that fear, they used to have this tilaka. And they were looking all Vaiṣṇavas. [laughs] Although they had no very much faith in Viṣṇu, but out of fear of the state orders, they were having tilaka. So sometimes authority orders are accepted in that, out of fear. Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nI was thinking of Doctor..., yourself. You are a little late today? [chuckles] Yes. Let us stop here. Tomorrow we shall again... [end]",
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In one place it is very nicely summarized what is this material attraction. The basic principle of material attraction is sex. [child crying] Pumsaḥ striya mithuni-bhavam etam [SB 5.5.8]. \n[The attraction between male and female is the basic principle of material existence. On the basis of this misconception, which ties together the hearts of the male and female, one becomes attracted to his body, home, property, children, relatives and wealth. In this way one increases life's illusions and thinks in terms of \"I and mine.\"]\nA man is hankering after another woman, and the woman is hankering after another man. This is the basic principle of material life. Puṁsaḥ striyā mithunī-bhāvam etam [SB 5.5.8]. \nMithunī-bhāvam means sex. Tayor mitho hrdaya-granthim. And when they actually come into sexual life, each one of them become too much attracted.\nHṛdaya-granthim. Granthi means very hard knot: \"I cannot leave you.\" He says, \"I cannot leave you. You are my life and soul,\" and she says, \"You are my life and soul.\" For a few days. [laughs] And then again divorce. You see?\nBut the beginning is there. Basic principle of material attraction is this sex life. This is general. Those who have organized the sex life in social convention in so many ways... The marriage is also another convention to give a very finishing nice touch than the animal. That's all.\nJust like sometimes it is said marriage is legalized prostitution. So for social convention the marriage is a license, but it is also based on the sex life. But for keep up social life, one has to accept some regulative principle. Therefore sex life like animals and sex life in marriage, there is difference; it is better. That is accepted in civilized world.\nSo when they're united some way or other, then next demand is nice apartment, gṛha. The next demand, gṛha-kṣetra, land. Because human civilization is based on land and cow, gavayā dhanavān. Formerly, a person was considered to be rich man by possession of the number of cows, by possession of land, not these papers, this false money. At the present moment, if you have got some printed paper, thousand dollars... They are papers actually.\nWhen the government is a failure, it has no value. But actually if you possess some land and cows, the government may fail or not fail, your value is there. So that is actual property. Therefore in Sanskrit language it is said gavayā dhanavān. A man is known as rich man by the number of..., by possession of the number of cows. That was the mode of civilization in the Vedic age.\nGṛha-kṣetra-suta. Suta means children. When you have got apartment, when you have got wife, when you have got..., then next demand is children, suta. Because without children no home life is pleasant. Putra-hīnaṁ gṛhaṁ śūnyam [Cāṇakya Paṇḍita].\n[Life without knowledge is empty, and all directions are void for those without friends. Household life without a son is void, and for the poor the whole world is void.]\nA home life is just like desert without children. Children is the attraction of home life. So grha-kṣetra-suta āpta. Āpta means relatives or society. Sutāpta-vittaiḥ: and all these paraphernalia are to be maintained on money. Therefore money is required, vittaiḥ. In this way, one becomes entangled in this material world. Janasya moho 'yam. This is called illusion. Illusion.\nWhy illusion? So important things, why illusion? Illusion means that this nice paraphernalia arrangement—home, life, apartment, wife, children, society, position—everything is all right, but as soon as this body is finished, everything is finished; you're in a next platform. You do not know what is next platform. The next platform may be a human being or a cat or a dog or a demigod or anything. You do not know.\nAnd as soon as you have got a next life, you forget all these things. There is no remembrance what I was, what was my home. Everything is finished. Everything is finished—flash, just like a bubble. By the thrashing of different waves in the ocean, there are so many bubbles immediately generated, and the next moment, oh, they are all finished. Finished. Toye janame punaḥ toye samat[?].\nIn this way the life is going on. The living entity is traveling in many species of life, in many planets. But this human form of life is an opportunity to understand how I am transmigrating from one place to another, one life to another, and simply wasting my time without understanding what is my constitutional position, why I am so much in distress, miseries.\nThese things are to be understood in this human form of life. But instead of understanding my real position, the process of life, we reject everything. Simply I am engaged with the gṛha-kṣetra-sutāpta-vittaiḥ [SB 5.5.8]. \n[The attraction between male and female is the basic principle of material existence. On the basis of this misconception, which ties together the hearts of the male and female, one becomes attracted to his body, home, property, children, relatives and wealth. In this way one increases life's illusions and thinks in terms of \"I and mine.\"]\nGṛha-kṣetra-sutāpta-vittaiḥ—home, society, money, position—everything is all right provided you can utilize it for elevating yourself from these material clutches. Otherwise, if you are simply engaged and captivated by these things, then I am spoiling my life.\nSo Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, representing ourself, he is lamenting, \"My dear Lord, I have spoiled my life. I have simply spoiled my life.\" Why? This life, this human form of life, manuṣya-janama pāiyā, rādhā-kṛṣṇa nā bhajiyā. This human form of life was meant for understanding what is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa and worship Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa or Lord, His energy, whatever you call—Hare Kṛṣṇa or Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa, Hare Rāma, the same thing, the Lord and His energy.\nSo, \"Instead of making contact with Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa, I am simply spoiling my life in sense gratification.\" So he's lamenting, hari hari biphale janama goṅāinu: \"Uselessly I have spoiled my life.\"\n[O Lord Hari, I have spent my life uselessly. Having obtained a human birth and having not worshiped Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, I have knowingly drunk poison.]\nWhy? What is your lamentation? He says, golokera prema-dhana, hari-nāma-saṅkīrtana.\n[The treasure of divine love in Goloka Vṛndāvana has descended as the congregational chanting of Lord Hari's holy names. Why did my attraction for that chanting never come about? Day and night my heart burns in the fire of the poison of worldliness, and I have not accepted the means for relieving it.]\nThis chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa, this transcendental vibration, is not any material thing. It is imported from the transcendental abode, golokera. Goloka means the transcendental abode of Kṛṣṇa.\nGolokera prema-dhana. From there, the transcendental abode of Kṛṣṇa... Just like the sunshine, wherefrom it has come? From the sun planet. Everyone knows it. Although you cannot go there, it is far, far beyond your reach, but you can understand that the sunshine is coming from the sun globe. There is no doubt about it.\nSimilarly this vibration, this shining, is coming from Kṛṣṇa, Goloka. Golokera prema-dhana. And prema-dhana means this chanting is in love with Kṛṣṇa. So golokera prema-dhana, hari-nāma-saṅkīrtana, rati nā janmilo kene tāy. \"I've no attachment for this.\"\n[The treasure of divine love in Goloka Vṛndāvana has descended as the congregational chanting of Lord Hari’s holy names. Why did my attraction for that chanting never come about? Day and night my heart burns in the fire of the poison of worldliness, and I have not accepted the means for relieving it.]\nWhy should one be attached to this? That is explained in the next line: viṣaya-viṣānale, dibā-niśi hiyā jvale. Hiyā. Hiyā means heart. Our heart is always burning. Why? In touch with this material sense gratificatory process. No sense gratificatory process is giving me satisfaction.\nI'm trying this way, that way, this way, that way, that way. You see? Just like people are trying sense gratification in so many ways, they have come to the last point, naked picture, naked dance. What is called? That short, what is called?",
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Therefore I have spoiled my life.\"\nThen he says, brajendra-nandana yei, śacī-suta hoilo sei. Now, this chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa is introduced by Kṛṣṇa Himself, Vrajendra-nandana. Kṛṣṇa appeared as the son of Mahārāja Nanda in Vṛndāvana; therefore He is called Vrajendra-nandana, Vrajeśa-tanaya. These are names. So this same Vrajendra-nandana, Kṛṣṇa, has appeared as Śacīnandana.\nThe Supreme Personality of Godhead takes pleasure when He's addressed with His devotee's name, with His energy's name. Devotee's also His energy. So He has no father. He is father of everyone. But He accepts some devotee. A devotee wants Kṛṣṇa as his son; therefore Kṛṣṇa accepts a devotee as His father.\nSo nobody can become His father, but a devotee... Just like this girl, Nandarāṇī, is raising her daughter, always giving service. The child is accepting service from the parents. Her business is only to accept. Torture and accept service. So devotees accept Kṛṣṇa as son so that Kṛṣṇa may simply torture them and accept service. That is the policy. Because the devotee want to render service, so this is the best way of service rendering. The child will draw always service.\nSo this conception, fatherhood of the Absolute Truth, of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is undoubtedly very good, but there is no service. Father is meant for exacting: \"Father, give me this. Father, give me this.\" And here, the Vaiṣṇava conception, to accept the Supreme as child to render service. Not to accept. No parents accept any service from the child, but he simply gives service.\nSo anyway, Vrajendra-nandana, the idea of accepting the Lord as son... Mahārāja Nanda accepted Kṛṣṇa as his son, similarly Śacīdevī accepted Lord Caitanya as his [her] son. So both of Them are the one. So Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says, \"The same Vrajendra-nandana, Kṛṣṇa, has now appeared as Lord Caitanya, as the son of Śacī. And the same Balarāma has become Nitāi.\"\nAnd what is Their business? The business is pāpī-tāpī jata chilo: \"They are claiming all kinds of sinful conditioned souls.\" Their only business is. Because in this age, Kali-yuga, you cannot find any perfectly pious man or saintly person. Everyone is addicted to so many sinful activities.\nSo pāpī-tāpī yata chilo, hari-nāme uddhārilo. Simply by distributing this chanting, He claimed everyone, however fallen he may be. \"Come on, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and become delivered.\" You see? So nice thing. Pāpī-tāpī yata chilo, hari-nāme uddhārila. What is the evidence that He has? Ta 'ra sākṣī jagāi and mādhāi. Jagāi-Mādhāi, they were two brothers, debauch number one. You see?\nThey were all kinds of sinful affairs. They were drunkard, they were woman hunter, meat-eater, so many things. And, of course, they were born in a very high brāhmaṇa family, but bad association, they became like that. Similarly, at the present age, this human society, although they are coming from the Āryan family, very nice family, but due to association the only environment is there's woman and intoxication, meat-eating, and gambling. That's all. So Jagāi-Mādhāi is the specimen, sample of this population, and Lord Caitanya delivered them simply by this Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nSo this chanting process, Hare Kṛṣṇa, will actually deliver all these fallen souls without any failure. It is not bogus propaganda. Anyone who will take to this chanting process, whatever, you don't consider about his past life. He will become saintly. He will become a pure Kṛṣṇa conscious person. So pāpī-tāpī yata chilo, hari-nāme uddhārilo, ta 'ra sākṣī jagāi-mādhāi. The evidence is Jagāi-Mādhāi.\nThen he says, hā hā... When he has come to the senses that \"I am eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa,\" then he surrenders. This process, the chanting process, will purify our heart, our burning heart, and one will come to the understanding that \"I am eternal servitor of the Supreme, Kṛṣṇa.\" Then, as soon as he comes to this understanding, as it is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 7.19],\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\n\"After many, many births, when one person becomes actually wise, a man of wisdom, jñānavān\"—jñānavān means wise man—then what does he do? \"He surrenders unto Me,\" Kṛṣṇa says. Why? Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19]: \"Because Vāsudeva, Kṛṣṇa, is everything.\" Sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ: \"That kind of great soul is very rare.\" That is stated in...\nBut Caitanya Mahāprabhu has made easy to become such kind of great soul simply by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Therefore Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, at the end he says, hā hā prabhu nanda-suta, vṛṣabhānu-sutā-juta. Again the sutā, the son, son of Nanda, and Rādhārāṇī, the daughter of Vṛṣabhānu, They are standing. Kṛṣṇa... Vaiṣṇava, they do not worship Kṛṣṇa alone without Rādhārāṇī.\nThey do not worship Rāma without Sītā. They do not worship Nārāyaṇa without Lakṣmī. Because the Lord and the energy must be there. We don't say..., we don't believe that God is without any energy. No. \"Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" First the energy is addressed, Harā, Hare, then Kṛṣṇa.\nSo here also, Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura prays, \"My dear Lord Kṛṣṇa, You are now present before me with Your internal potency, Your pleasure potency, Rādhārāṇī. So I am surrendering unto You.\" Hā hā prabhu nanda-sutā. And \"Don't neglect me because I am so sinful, my past life is so black. Don't neglect me. Please accept me. Don't kick me away. I surrender unto You.\" This is the purport of this song.\nSo this instruction should be taken by all of us. The purificatory process is chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. And as soon as our heart is purified, we completely become convinced that \"The Lord is Supreme. I am His eternal servant. I have forgotten this. Servant..., my servitorship is there, but instead of serving the Lord, I am serving my senses. That's all.\nI have never become the master. I am not master of my senses; I am the servant of my senses. That is my position.\" So why not becoming the servant of the Supreme instead of serving on the servant of the senses?\nYou cannot become master. Actually, you become master of the senses when you are actually servant of Kṛṣṇa; otherwise it is not possible. There are two words, gosvāmī and go-dāsa. Persons who are servant of their senses, they are called materialistic go-dāsa, and persons who are master of the senses, they are called gosvāmī. Gosvāmī.\nThey control the senses. The tongue wants to eat something which is not... \"Oh,\" he controls. \"Oh, tongue, you cannot taste these things. It is not kṛṣṇa-prasāda.\" Therefore he becomes gosvāmī, master. He does not allow the tongue to eat any nonsense thing except kṛṣṇa-prasāda. He cannot allow his senses, his anything, for sense gratification. Only for the service. That is called devotional service.\nHṛṣīkeṇa hṛṣīkeśa-sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. \n[“’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nBhakti, this devotional service, means when you engage your senses for the satisfaction of the master of the senses. The supreme master of the senses is Kṛṣṇa. So we are trying to apply the senses for our personal service. This is called māyā; this is called illusion. The same senses purified, when they'll be engaged in the service of Kṛṣṇa, that is perfection. So we are not going to stop the activities of the senses, but senses are being purified for being engaged in the service of the Lord. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nThank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\nSo, any question? Yes.",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, how was it that Lord Jesus was called a son of God? If Kṛṣṇa is usually the son, how come Jesus was the son?",
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"content": "\n Not usually. Kṛṣṇa is father, that I told you. But He becomes son out of His love. Kṛṣṇa is father. Kṛṣṇa's position is father, but He... He's simply father, so He voluntarily becomes a son also sometimes, to taste how to become a son. Son is not His constitutional position.\nFather is His constitutional position. But He voluntarily accepts to become a son. But who is going to be His father? He is the original father. He is a father of everyone. Ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā. In the Bhagavad-gītā says there, sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya [Bg. 14.4]:\n[It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kuntī, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father.]\n\"There are millions, 8,400,000 species of life, and I am the father of all these living entities.\" So who is going to be His father? Nobody is father, but a devotee, when likes, \"My dear Lord, I want a son like You,\" so Kṛṣṇa accepts: \"Oh, where is another son like Me? I'll become your son.\" That's all.\nJust like Vasudeva and Devakī. In their previous life they underwent severe austerities. They were married couples, but they had no sex. They were determined that \"Unless we get the Lord as our son, we are not having any son.\" So they went on for many years, many thousands years' austerity.\nThen the Lord appeared: \"What do you want?\" \"Sir, I want a son like You.\" \"Where can I get another son like Me? I'll become your son.\" So Kṛṣṇa, or the Lord, is father of everyone, but He voluntarily accepts to become a son to His devotee. Otherwise His position is always father.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, I read in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Volume Three, that when one becomes a liberated soul, he attains perfect freedom, and even sometimes that freedom is on the same level as Kṛṣṇa or even more than Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Can you explain that?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Just like this Vasudeva, he's more than Kṛṣṇa. Yaśodā... You have seen the picture, Yaśodā is binding Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n Yes, He has become... The Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is, I mean to say, afraid, who is fearful by everyone, Yaśodā..., and Kṛṣṇa has become fearful to Yaśodā: \"My dear mother, kindly do not bind Me. I shall obey your orders.\" So Yaśodā has become more than God, more than Kṛṣṇa.\nThe Māyāvādī philosophers, they want to be one with Kṛṣṇa or one with Lord, but our philosophy is to become more than Kṛṣṇa. [laughter] Why one with Kṛṣṇa? More than Kṛṣṇa. And actually He accepts. He makes His devotee more than Kṛṣṇa. Just like Arjuna and Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa took the part of a driver, and he was the hero of the fight.\nActually, Kṛṣṇa was the hero, but He gave position to His devotee: \"You become the hero. I shall become your charioteer.\" That's all. Don't you see how Arjuna has become more than Kṛṣṇa? Kṛṣṇa says, \"Arjuna, you are hesitating to fight, but you know that all these person who have assembled in this battlefield, they are not going back. They are already killed. That is My plan. You simply take the credit that you have killed them. That's all.\" [laughter] That He wants.\nJust like a father wants a son to see him more than himself. If a father is an M.A., he wants to see his son M.A., Ph.D., or something more. He's satisfied. He'll not tolerate anybody to become more than him, but he'll tolerate if his son becomes more than him. I'm giving you a crude example.\nSimilarly, Kṛṣṇa, or the Lord, wants to see His devotee more than Himself. That is His pleasure. He takes pleasure in that. So to become a devotee is not ordinary thing. You see? He has got the chance to become more than God. Why equal with God, one with God? No. More than God. Yes. That is our philosophy.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n What is the relationship of the surabhī cow with Kṛṣṇa?\nPrabhupāda: Huh?\n What is the relationship of the surabhī cow with Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n They are also... These cows are also devotees, and Kṛṣṇa is fond of keeping cows, taking care of them. The same love affairs, exchange of love. That's all.",
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"content": "\n Dāsya-rasa. Dāsya-rasa, servitude. There are different rasas, mellows of relationship with Kṛṣṇa. Śānta, dāsya... Just like Vṛndāvana-bhūmi or the trees, the plants, they are serving Kṛṣṇa silently. And the cows and servants, they are offering superior service. The friends, they are offering service as friend.\nThe gopīs, they are... Gopīs, or the motherly gopīs, just like Yaśodā and ladies, offer their..., loving Kṛṣṇa as son, and the younger girls, they're loving Kṛṣṇa as husband, as lover. So in this way in Vṛndāvana there are different transcendental mellows of loving affairs.\nSo the cows are on the śānta..., dāsya-rasa, giving service, just like master and servant. They are situated in this transcendental humor. But they're all one with Kṛṣṇa. Nobody is inferior than Kṛṣṇa, but the relationship is exchange of loving service. That's all.",
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"content": "\n Is our rasa with Kṛṣṇa already established? I mean, is it eternal? Or do we..., can we attain...",
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"content": "\n No. It is already established. You have got eternal relationship. When you become liberated, you realize that your relationship is with Kṛṣṇa like this. You'll develop that taste, whether in śānta-rasa or dāsya-rasa or mādhurya-rasa or vātsalya-rasa. But that is not to be imitated at the present moment. When we are actually liberated.\nTo come to that stage, the routine work, regulative work, should be followed: chanting, hearing, worshiping, following the regulative principles. In this way, gradually, as we are purified, we come to the pure consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then at once we understand, \"My relationship with Kṛṣṇa is like this.\" And you are transferred to the Kṛṣṇaloka in that humor.",
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"content": "\n We could also have a passive relationship with Kṛṣṇa, like a tree?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That will be revealed, how we are related with Kṛṣṇa. Every relationship is as good as the other. Just like in this material world, everyone's position, he thinks it is very nice. Similarly, in the spiritual, what to speak, they are all equal, but still, one is apprec..., one's aptitude is that \"I want to love Kṛṣṇa in this way.\" Yes.\nSo he's there in that way. There must be variety. If there is rasa-līlā, there must be nice trees, nice field, nice cows, nice Yamunā river. Otherwise how it is, simply if the gopīs and Kṛṣṇas are there, if the other things are not there? [chuckles] The background must be there.\nSo everything is spiritual. Background is also spiritual. That is creation of Kṛṣṇa. Eko bahu-śyāma. Just like a painter paints a picture, he makes a nice background. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa wants to enjoy, so He has created us in different varieties to supply His pleasure potency. You see. Eko bahu-śyāma. This Vedic literature says that alone He has many. Why? Just to enjoy. Why? Ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt [Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12].\n[By nature, the Supreme Lord is blissful.]\nHe's by nature joyful, sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1].\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nSo ānanda does not mean that one. No. Variety. Variety is the mother of enjoyment. So that variety, they're all spiritual. Just like the same example: you paint a picture with the same brush and color, but as soon as you make it variety, variegated, it becomes very enjoyable.\nSo we don't say that the varieties created by God is false. No. It is real. How can I say it is false? This flower, it is designed by God so nicely, it is colored so nicely. It has got its use. There is variety. Even there is greenness... There is so many things, varieties. There is color display, sometimes a dark red, sometimes it is light red.\nSo nicely created by Kṛṣṇa, and I shall say it is false? Why it is false? It is Kṛṣṇa's creation. Let me take it and offer it to Kṛṣṇa. This is called bhakti. This is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness. I don't enjoy it. It is Kṛṣṇa's creation; it must be offered to Kṛṣṇa.\nAnd after offering to Kṛṣṇa, you'll enjoy. After offering nice prasāda, Kṛṣṇa is full, Kṛṣṇa is not eating. You'll enjoy. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We don't reject anything. This tape recorder we don't reject. We don't say, \"Oh, it is material. We shall not touch.\" Bring any scientific invention, we shall engage in the service of Kṛṣṇa. That's all. [laughter]\nWe don't say it is false. Why? You have applied your brain, you applied your energy to invent such nice machine. Let it be engaged in Kṛṣṇa's service. Your life will be successful. That's all. The flower from... The tree from which this flower is grown, if this flower is offered to Kṛṣṇa, his life is successful.\nSo it is so nice program, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. All-round successful. There is no comparison with this program, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There cannot be any comparison, neither any rivalry with this conception of philosophy, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So try to understand, preach it nicely, and be happy, and let them become happy.\nSo you want to chant something or..., no?",
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"content": "\n All right. That's all right. We have chanted. Now we can distribute prasādam. [devotees offer obeisances]\n[aside:] You distribute. I want to go to the bathroom.\n[break] \"Oh, I don't like this. He may come back.\" He must be seen as beloved child. First of all he gave him work just like ordinary laborer. He became sick. He's also tasting. That is nice. [laughs]\nSo tomorrow we must find out some store.\n[Prabhupāda eats]",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? I spoke to Puruṣottama. He is coming here.",
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"content": "\n Coming?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n That's nice.",
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"content": "\n Brahmānanda said, \"Do you know what you are doing to me, Tamāla? Now I have to do all the work here.\" So he said, \"But it's all right.\" [Prabhupāda laughs] Number-one man.",
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"content": "\n So you may send somebody to help him.",
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"content": "\n Who is coming? [pause]\n Puruṣottama. He said it was all right, because Puruṣottama can still get a lot of advertisements for Back to Godhead in Los Angeles area.",
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"content": "\n[sings:] Śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda.",
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"content": "\n Yes. You learn this song.\nśrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya\nprabhu nityānanda\nśrī-advaita gadādhara\nśrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda\nChant this when [indistinct].\nśrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya\nprabhu nityānanda\nśrī-advaita gadādhara\nśrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda\n[I offer my obeisances to Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya, Prabhu Nityānanda, Śrī Advaita, Gadādhara, Śrīvāsa and all others in the line of devotion.]\nManifestation of Kṛṣṇa in five expansions. Kṛṣṇa can expand Himself. Not only Kṛṣṇa, even a perfect yogī, he can also expand. Not as many as Kṛṣṇa, but a perfect yogī, from the scriptures we can understand that a perfect yogī can expand himself up to eight, up to nine forms.\nThere was one Saubhari Muni. The Saubhari Muni he used to perform yoga practice within water. There were many sages who used to practice. Somebody within water, somebody surrounding fire and in the midst. That means voluntarily putting the body into trouble, and at the same time executing yoga practice. They were so much advanced that in spite of all material trouble they would be able to execute spiritual duties.\nSaubhari Muni was sexually agitated within the water by the fishes. So he came out of the water, and the neighboring king—I forgot the name—he went there and demanded the king that \"I want to marry your daughter. So give me your daughter.\" The king thought... [laughs] He was so ugly, because he was within the water. So all body was, what is called?",
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"content": "\n Distorted?\n Water-logged, yeah. The skin gets water-logged?",
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"content": "\n No, not that. There are some kind of weeds within the water.",
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"content": "\n Oh. Algae?",
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"content": "\n Seaweeds, yes. So they... All over the body there was some seaweeds. Not exactly... He was very unclean and odd-looking, and beard and ugly. So he thought that \"He's a great yogī. If I refuse, 'No, I'm not going to hand over my daughter to you,' then he may be angry and create some catastrophe.\"\nSo he said, just to avoid him, that \"I have got eight daughters, and it is the desire of my daughters that they should be given over to one husband...,\" no, that \"they should be married all at once. So unless I find other husbands of my daughters, you have to wait.\" So immediately, \"Yes, I shall myself become eight, then.\" And he expanded himself, eight expansions.\nSo at that time what could he say? He said, \"You know, my dear sir, that they are princesses after all. They may not like such ugly husband.\" Oh, he at once became very youthful and beautiful. Then he married. So we shall find that a perfect yogī can expand himself. So similarly, Kardama Muni also expanded into nine. He married Devahūti on condition that unless his wife has got sufficient children, he'll not leave her, and he must leave her. So he expanded himself nine and begotten nine daughters.\nSo we can find from history, the Purāṇas... Purāṇas all means history, Purāṇas. Old history. Purāṇa means old. So even a perfect yogī can expand, what to speak of Kṛṣṇa. He is called Yogeśvara, the supreme yogī. In the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find this word about Kṛṣṇa, yatra yogeśvaraḥ hariḥ. Yogeśvara: He's perfect in all practices of mystic power. So these five expansions, śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu nityānanda-śrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura...\nKṛṣṇa appeared in five expansions. Sri Kṛṣṇa Caitanya, Lord Caitanya, is Kṛṣṇa Himself. And Prabhu Nityānanda, His immediate expansion. Just like Balarāma, Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma. And Advaita is incarnation, and Gadādhara is internal potency, and Śrīvāsa, marginal potency. And there is another potency, external potency. The external potency is not there. External potency means by which this material world is manifested.",
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"content": "\n What is the difference between an expansion and an incarnation?",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n What is the difference between an expansion and an incarnation?",
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"content": "\n Expansion is direct, and incarnation is indirect. When expansion of expansion is accepted, that is called kalā, incarnation, avatāra, kalā. So Advaita is not direct. The example is given in Brahma-saṁhitā, just like you get one candle kindled from the first candle, another from the second, another from the third. So similarly, either expansion or incarnation, they are all candles.\nThe original candle is Kṛṣṇa. It is not that expansion of expansion is less powerful. The candle power is the same either origin or expansion or expansion of the expansion. It is not that Nityānanda is less powerful than Caitanya, or Advaita is less powerful than... No. Any incarnation or expansion has the same potency, viṣṇu-tattva. The manifestation of potency is different.\nJust like Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and Lord Rāma is also the Supreme Personality of Godhead. But one is original. Kṛṣṇa is original, and Rāma is an expansion. Why? Because Kṛṣṇa exhibited the qualities of God fully; Rāma exhibited qualities of God partially. Take, for example, Rāma was manifesting Himself as an ideal king.\nHe was not manifesting Himself as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore as ideal king He was limiting Himself with the moral principles of this world. And Kṛṣṇa, being the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He exhibited that He's above any principle of the material world. He's free to act any way He likes. Otherwise what is the meaning... Means full-fledged manifestation of God.\nLord Rāma, He married only one, Sītā. And when Sītā was kidnapped by Rāvaṇa, He never married again. Or when Sītā was sent to the forest for public opinion, He never married again. He remained a sticked to..., stuck to only one wife, because He was setting example, moral principle, to the world. Kṛṣṇa married 16,108.\nNot religious. Religious, He married only eight wife. But these 16,100 girls were kidnapped by one demon, and they were concentrated in a camp. So they prayed to Kṛṣṇa to save them. Kṛṣṇa is kind to everyone. So Kṛṣṇa came to their rescue, and He killed that demon. He rescued all the girls.\nBut the girls requested Kṛṣṇa that \"Because we were kidnapped and we are concentrated under his custody, so if we go back to our father, it will be difficult for him to get us married to a suitable prince. So our request is that You marry us.\" [laughs] Kṛṣṇa agreed, \"All right.\" He married wholesale, 16,100. [laughter] And that can be possible. Why 16,100? He can marry 16,000,000 at a time. Otherwise how He's God?\nTherefore Prahlāda Mahārāja advises his class fellows that \"Don't be bothering yourself for solution of economic question. That is already provided.\" Just like all these animals, these birds, they have no question how to live, how to eat, how to mate, how to defend. This is already there.\nThey're eating, they're sleeping, they're mating and they're defending as far as required. Just see the birds, as soon as they see us they [indistinct]. [laughs] So the defending propensity is there. How you can say the man is greater intelligence? There is intelligence. They were here, and as soon as they saw, \"Here are come all the men. They can eat us. Let us fly there.\" The man cannot come to [indistinct]. So don't you see the defensive propensity is here?\nYou may, according to your intelligence, you may discover defensive weapons, nuclear weapons, and aeroplanes and bombs, and so many things, because they have got higher intelligence. That the... But the ultimate conclusion: that the defensive propensity is there in you also. There is no difference in the material existentional propensities. So what does he find?\n[break] ...from history point? [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n I think I understood you to say that man's intelligence is higher in purpose and it's not manual service[?], taking advantage of it.",
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"content": "\n Yes, his higher intelligence is utilized for purification. That is the teaching.",
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"content": "\n So you have to convince people like that, that it is not a sentimental institution. We are teaching the thing which is very, absolutely needed for the human society. As soon as one becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious, his personal questions and problems are solved. And if others adopt the same principle, then social-political questions are also solved. So we have to teach.\nThey will say it is not practical. Why not practical? [indistinct] This is not practical. There are so many scientific..., you discovered. Just like this tape recorder. This is advantageous to the human society. But it is not practical that everyone will have a nice tape recorder. That is not practical. But when you go to manufacture, say the discoverer, \"Oh, that it is not practical; therefore it should not be manufactured...\"\nSimilarly, Kṛṣṇa consciousness may not be practical for all, but that does not mean it should not be preached. The customer will take. Just like this tape recorder: one has got money, you have purchased, taking advantage. Similarly, there are many pious persons who can take Kṛṣṇa consciousness, just like you have taken. You are not ordinary, common man. There must have been some pious activities in your past lives. Therefore you have taken to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness seriously. Bhagavad-gītā says, yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ [Bg. 7.28].\n[Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life, whose sinful actions are completely eradicated and who are freed from the duality of delusion, engage themselves in My service with determination.]\nA sinful person cannot understand Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is said, yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ. One who has completely vanquished all sorts of sinful reactions.\nNow, the question may be that whether one can finish all sorts of sinful reactions within this material world. No. That is not possible. But it is possible also. What is that? That is also answered in the Bhagavad-gītā, that \"You give up everything. Surrender unto Me. I shall give you protection from all sinful reactions.\" So I may be sinful, and there are so many reactions awaiting me for giving me trouble, but as soon as Kṛṣṇa takes charge of me, then everything is finished. How it can be finished? Because He is all-powerful, He's the supreme.\nJust like if the president says... One man is ordered to be hanged. If the president says, \"No, he should not be hanged,\" then immediately all others sanction, because he's the supreme. Similarly, if we surrender to Kṛṣṇa, in spite of a huge stock of sinful reactions awaiting me, simply for the purpose of my surrendering to Kṛṣṇa they're all set aside by Kṛṣṇa.\nHe'll see to it. Simply surrender. And that surrender, as soon as it is done, then the other word says, yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ... [Bg. 7.28] One who has finished all kinds of reactions of sinful activities, janānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām, persons executing pious activities... And the most pious activity is devotional service.\n\"How is that? There are so many other kinds of activities. What is this? This man has made so much charity, he has made so many hospitals, he has [indistinct] in such things. And this man is simply chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Do you mean to say he is more pious than that man who has made so much charity?\" The śāstra says, \"Yes. Yes.\" Why? That is also explained in the Bhāgavata: sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6].\n[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]\nThat activity is considered to be the highest pious activity. The Bhāgavata does not say what kind of activity. \"That activity which leads one to be a devotee of the Lord.\"\nThat activity is not limited. Any activity that makes one progressing for realization of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that is higher, the highest pious activity. That is the description. Just as military art is not a very pious activity, killing art. But because the killing art exhibited by Arjuna was leading him to this platform of satisfying Kṛṣṇa, so that became the highest pious activity. Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro... We have to see whether by his activity he's gaining strength in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then it is highest. It doesn't matter whether it is photography or business or painting or cooking. It doesn't matter. Whether Kṛṣṇa is being satisfied by his activities.\nJust like you are engaged in different activities. But as soon as you bring your money and engage in the Society's cause, oh, I am very gratified. I do not require... Of course, we do not encourage impious activity. That is not the meaning. But phalena paricīyate. Because you offer the result of your activities to Kṛṣṇa, that becomes pious. Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje. So that is the standard of pious activity.\nNow, this is also pious activity, [indistinct] teacher. But if by satisfying the poor teachers one becomes pious, how much pious he is who is trying to satisfy the supreme teacher, Kṛṣṇa. He's also a living creature. He's also individual person. Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13].\n[The Supreme Lord is eternal and the living beings are eternal. The Supreme Lord is cognizant and the living beings are cognizant. The difference is that the Supreme Lord is supplying all the necessities of life for the many other living entities.]\n[pause] Oh you have we finished our walking? Not yet?",
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"content": "\n No, they bloom in the springtime.",
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"content": "\n It is just like a beautiful man without any qualification.",
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"content": "\n Is that a qualification? Is that part of the age of Kali-yuga? Flowers with no scent?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Trees will have no fruits. The fruit will have no juice. That is mentioned. Just like in a mango there is a seed. In many fruits there is seed. In Kali-yuga you'll find simply the skin and seed, no pulp. And cloud without rain. These are mentioned. [laughs] What can you do?\nIf the cloud becomes without rain, if the fruit become without pulp, if the paddy becomes without grain, then what you have to eat? You have to eat the grass, the husk, the skin and the seed. Or kill another man and eat. Just like in Africa, still, they are doing: cannibals. Killing the grandfather, that is a great ceremony. Do you know that?",
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"content": "\n They kill the grandfather and have a feast, the cannibals. Yes. That is a great sport, that the grandsons will kill the grandfather and have a feast on his body by toasting.[?] Yes. The same idea is being preached by the Communists. They want that all old man of the society, they should be killed. That is one of the theories put forward by the Communists. Because they are not producing anything.\nSo just imagine, these things will come gradually. So better to leave this place as soon as possible. Not to come again. That should be our serious attention. The other day the radio man was asking, \"Swāmījī, how to adjust?\" And \"There is no adjustment. You have to go out of the scene. There is no adjustment.\" So he was not very happy.\nIf I would have bluffed him, \"Oh, you do this, you do that, you do this humanitarian work, you spread[?] education and give foodstuff.\" No! There is no adjustment. The only adjustment is quit this place. That is the function of this human form of life.\nYou can get out of this show by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa says that this is the abode of miseries and that also temporary. Because you can accept any miserable life. That is the spell of māyā. Just like this dog life. If somebody asked me, \"Would you like to be a dog? I can make you,\" shall I agree? Why not? Because I know that's miserable life. But the dog is satisfied. By becoming a purchased slave, very much satisfied.\nHe has no independence, always chained and always servant, eternal servant of a particular man. He can do any harmful thing by the order of the master, he's so faithful. But still, his life is miserable, because he's dog. But he is satisfied. He thinks that \"Oh, it is a very nice life.\" This is called covering power of māyā, illusion. Anyone in the most miserable condition of life, he'll think, \"Oh, I am very happy.\" Ask him, \"How are you?\" \"Oh, very nice. Very nice.\"\nSo there is no adjustment. A Kṛṣṇa conscious person should... He knows that here, only adjustment is to live in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the only... If he's materially conscious... What is the difference between materially conscious man and Kṛṣṇa conscious man? Materially conscious person is thinking everything as his property or enjoyable thing. And Kṛṣṇa conscious person is seeing the same thing as Kṛṣṇa's.\nA materially conscious person is satisfied, you get him a nice, aromatic flower for his personal enjoyment; and Kṛṣṇa conscious person, he at once thinks, \"It is very nice flower; it should be offered to Kṛṣṇa.\" The flower is there, he is there, the consciousness is changed. That's all. He's thinking everything in relationship with Kṛṣṇa.\nHere the man, distributing food to the animals and fish, he's thinking that \"I am doing some pious activities, and I shall enjoy the fruit of it.\" And that's a fact. But if we distribute kṛṣṇa-prasādam, we think that \"This man is being supplied kṛṣṇa-prasādam; one day he may become Kṛṣṇa conscious.\" There is no personal question. And the principle of distributing kṛṣṇa-prasādam is there. Therefore even they don't pay any charge, if you distribute the prasādam, if you are able, you are doing some service. Because by eating only, he shall one day become Kṛṣṇa conscious.\nSo whole program is for Kṛṣṇa. And that is kṛṣṇa-karma.[?] You are preparing, you are earning money, you are distributing prasādam. Why? For Kṛṣṇa's sake. Otherwise, why should you work so hard? But we have voluntarily accepted, \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa will be satisfied.\" This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Samsiddhir hari-tosanam. Everyone may act in his own duty. It doesn't matter what kind of duty he has got, but he has to see whether by execution of that duty Kṛṣṇa is satisfied. Then he's successful. That is the version in the Srimad-Bhāgavatam:\nataḥ pumbhir dvija-śreṣṭhā\nvarṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ\nsvanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya\nsaṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam\n[SB 1.2.13]\n[O best among the twice-born, it is therefore concluded that the highest perfection one can achieve by discharging the duties prescribed for one's own occupation according to caste divisions and orders of life is to please the Personality of Godhead.]\nSvanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya, everyone has got a specific duty. So one has to see that by his specific duty, entrusted with or discharging that duty, whether Kṛṣṇa is being satisfied. That's all.\nTherefore one has to accept a bona fide spiritual master to know whether Kṛṣṇa is being satisfied by his work. Who will certify? You cannot concoct, \"Oh, I am doing for satisfaction of Kṛṣṇa.\" No, that is not possible. It must be accepted by the representative of Kṛṣṇa: \"Yes, by your work, Kṛṣṇa is satisfied.\" Then it is all right. So... [break]\nSvanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya. In everything, Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavata, just stick to these two books very nicely. Svanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya, saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam. It is a great science and very intricate also. But one has to learn also very diligently. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not for the fools. It is not for the fools. Highly intelligent class of man, he can understand the philosophical aspect of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nBut the thing is so attractive that even a child, even a fool is attracted.\n[break] Yes. That is the beauty. Although it is very difficult to understand this philosophy, Caitanya Mahāprabhu has introduced the system that anyone can take it. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [gets in car] [end]",
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"content": "\n[background] Śrī Guru, Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nFirst of all who are to be initiated? Yes, sit down.",
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"content": "\nHe wants to be initiated.",
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"content": "\nEh?",
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"content": "\nHe wants to be initiated.",
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"content": "\nHe wants, sit down. Who are to be initiated. Take.",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nFour another? Another place.",
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"content": "\nOh that's the sacred thread.",
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"content": "\nSacred thread, oh.",
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"content": "\nTrivikrama [indistinct].\nDid he get one?\nTrivikrama [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nThey want.",
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"content": "\nSo they can sit down also. [Tinkling sound]\n[mātājī whispering]\nJust see how I am doing. One, two, three. Four. Begin.",
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"content": "\n[japa].\nOne two three and then...\n[japa].",
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"content": "\n[break] So what is your news from London?",
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"content": "\nAh, Śacī-suta[?].",
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"content": "\nWe have just [indistinct] pandal[?].",
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"content": "\nAh. Certificate you have got?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nOccupation, certificate?",
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"content": "\nFor three years?",
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"content": "\nTwo years.",
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"content": "\nSo you're renovating work is going on there?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nHm. Right-hand, right-hand. Should be [indistinct]. It should be.",
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"content": "\nLike this?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n[japa]",
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"content": "\nWhere is Puruṣottama?",
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"content": "\n[japa]\nJaya-ya!",
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"content": "\n[Chants the following mantra with devotees repeating responsively]\noṁ apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bāhyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ\n[Garuḍa Purāṇa]\nśrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\nYou can chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n[japa]",
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"content": "\nDo again. Come on.",
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"content": "\n[japa]\nNot see? How? Then why you're keeping in your hand, the pot. Do like. Keep it in my hand, you should be intelligent, how to do it. Finish. I told you that you see, all of you see how I am doing. But why you're keeping this pot in your hand? Minor things if you cannot follow then other things, how you will be able to follow? Now do it, do it. Finish it. Do it as you like if you cannot follow what can I do?\nThree drops.\nDrink?\nNow one more. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nYes! That's it. Now chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Yes that's it. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n[Chants the following mantra with devotees repeating responsively]\noṁ apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bāhyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ\n[Garuḍa Purāṇa]\nśrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\nAgain see, one, three, four.",
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"content": "\n[japa]\n\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.",
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"content": "\nYou get beads?",
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"content": "\n[Chants the following mantra with devotees repeating responsively]\noṁ apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bāhyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ\n[Garuḍa Purāṇa]\nśrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa!",
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"content": "\nThe purport of this mantra, mantra means—man means mind and tra means delivering. So every mantra means deliverance from the mental platform. In the material world, everyone is living on the bodily or mental platform. Those who are grossly materialists they are living on the bodily concept of life, \"I am this body, therefore enjoy the senses as far as possible, that is my life.\"\nThis is bodily concept of life and those who are a little more advanced they are living on the mental platform, philosophy, speculation and poetry. Literature, like that. That is mental platform. Somebody is actually having sense gratification directly and somebody is reading about sense gratification and enjoying. So one is directly enjoying sense gratification, body to body, they are grosser and those who are enjoying on the mental platform they are subtler, that's all. But the field of activities are the same.\nFrom mind we come to the gross platform, actually our this body develops on the mind, the situation of the mind. We prepare our next life, next body on the situation of the mind. At the time of death the mental condition will carry me to a different type of body. The example is given, just like air carries the flavor or odour, bad smell or good smell. According to the place the air is passing. If it is passing on a filthy place then it will carry some air which is obnoxious. I will say, \"oh it is a bad smell.\"",
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"content": "\nIf it is passing on some rose flower garden then it will carry some nice flavor. I will say, \"oh it is a nice flavor,\" you see? But this flavor is in subtle stage, similarly our mental condition will be carried. I am a spirit soul, I am covered in subtle body, mind, ego and intelligence and then my gross body develops.\nThis body of five elements. These things are very nicely explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, seventh chapter. You should read very carefully. So material existence means to live on the mental platform that is transferring me or transmigrating. Helping me, transmigrating from one type of body to another.\nAnother type, another type, another type in this way the living soul is eternal but is entrapped by the material mind and gross elements and he is forced to change place. As you are changing our body even in this life from childhood to this grown-up body. So this is going on but actually we are spirit soul, eternal. We don't require to be changed. We have got our eternal situation. Therefore mantra means to get release from this gross and subtle stage of life. Mantra. Man means mind and tra means deliverance. Every mantra. All these Vedic mantras they are meant for that purpose. To deliver the living entity from the mental platform.\nFirst of all we think in the mind then we strongly feel, then we will and then we act. Acting is the last stage, just like I want to construct a building. First of all I imagine, \"Oh I shall construct such a nice building.\" Then I feel for it, then I will for it, then actually I begin the work and it comes up. In all activities. So, now what sort of feeling we should indulge in? That is the question.\nIf we indulge in this material feeling then we shall be continuing this change or continuing this transmigration from one body to another. And so long we are in this material body, maybe either in this body. Somebody you have got European body, somebody have got Indian body, somebody have some other body, animal's body, or demigod's body, or microbe's body. There are so many 8,400,000 species of body, but the spirit soul is one. Their quality is one but their... according to the mental status they are developing different types of body.\nSo mantra means to deliver one from. So what kind of mantra will deliver you? But this Viṣṇu mantra because Viṣṇu can give you deliverance. Viṣṇu or the Supreme Lord, nobody can give you deliverance, only Viṣṇu the Supreme Lord. Viṣṇu means all pervading Personality of Godhead the Supreme Lord.\nTake for example, just like one man is condemned to death, so according to law he is condemned to be hanged. Nobody can excuse him, nobody can excuse him but the King can excuse, he has got the prerogative. If the condemned person appeals to the King and if the King thinks it proper, \"All right this man may be excused.\" Then it is, he can be excused. I think this is the law in your country also.\nThe supreme executive head can excuse. Similarly we are under the laws of material nature and we are entangling ourselves in such a way that it is very difficult for us to get out of this process of transmigrating from one body to another. It is very difficult. We are creating another body, another body, another body, another body, another body, this way. The only process to get deliverance from this entanglement of transmigration from one body to another is Viṣṇu.\nTherefore the initiation means to re-establish your eternal relationship with Viṣṇu and thereby get yourself out of this material clutches and go back to Godhead, back to home and enjoy there eternal life of bliss and knowledge. This is Kṛṣṇa Consciousness Movement. Kṛṣṇa Consciousness Movement means to keep oneself always in Viṣṇu consciousness or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then at the time of death if he keeps his Viṣṇu consciousness he will be immediately transferred to the Viṣṇu-loka or Kṛṣṇa-loka and his human form of life will be successful.\n So, now this Viṣṇu, this holy name of the Supreme Lord can be uttered by anyone, apavitraḥ pavitro vā. Either he is in contaminated state or he is in liberated state it doesn't matter, he can chant: apavitraḥ pavitro vāsarvāvasthāṁ. Sarvāvasthāṁ means in all conditions of life, it doesn't matter. But once it has begun you cannot check it then your progress will be hampered. Just like if you burn fire, ignite fire, immediately you get heat, there is no doubt about it. As soon as there is fire there is heat, you feel there is heat. But if you ignite fire at the same time pour water on it. Then how you can have blazing fire? No. It will be checked.\nIt will be checked, therefore if you want to keep the blazing fire you should not pour water which is against... Similarly, as soon as you utter the name of Viṣṇu or Kṛṣṇa you immediately become freed from all sinful activities. [indistinct]. The reaction of sinful activities.\noṁ apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\nAnyone who chants or remembers the Viṣṇu, Lord Viṣṇu. Jaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ sa vāhyābhyantaraṁ śuciḥ, immediately he becomes purified freed from the contamination of all sinful activities. That is a fact. But if you again commit sinful activities then your progress will be checked.\nWe should always remember like that, don't think that because this chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra will nullify the reaction of all sinful activities, so let me commit sin and again chant Hare Kṛṣṇa it will be nullified. This is greatest offence, just like somebody goes to the church and he confesses his sinful activities. Of course in the church if one confesses his sinful activities, immediately nullified. But if you come out, again commit the same then what is this? This is not intelligence. This is not intelligence, if you have... just like you contaminate some disease and you go to the physician he gives you some medicine.\nYour diseases is counteracted but again you contaminate and again come to the doctor, what is this business? This is not very good business, therefore everyone should be very careful that so long whatever I have done sinful activities, all, now it is washed off because I am now initiated to chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. But don't commit it again. That is our warning, therefore our students are, I mean, pledged not to commit this four kinds of sin.\nWhat is that? Illicit sex life, and meat-eating, intoxication and gambling. These are the four corners or four direction of sinful activities. If you indulge in these four things then your volumes of sinful activities will simply increase, now stop this. Stop this, close this door, don't enter again then this purificatory process will keep you in tact and your life will be successful.\noṁ apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bāhyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ\n[Garuḍa Purāṇa]\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\nŚuciḥ, you are now being purified but don't commit any more sinful activities. That they are very simple things, illicit sex life. So in our society there is no allowance for illicit sex life. If you want sex life then you get yourself married and use sex life only for begetting nice children, Kṛṣṇa conscious children. Just like these children are born from the very beginning they are becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious. They are dancing, they are chanting in this way from the very beginning their life is purified.\nSo human life is meant for purification, this life is not meant for amassing, amassing more and more the resultant action of sinful life. So far animal life is concerned they are not... Just like if you violate laws because you are human being you are punished, but animal is not punished because they have no sense. If you keep your car, keep to the left, if you keep your car on the right side you are punished. But the if a dog goes from the right to the left, or the left to the right he is not punished because it is a dog. It is not under any law.\nSo every law is meant for human being, all scriptures, all Vedas, all law books, all statues books they are meant for human life. Not for animal life. The more we abide by the laws, the more we advance in human form of life. That is the principal and the more we disobey the laws, either the laws of nature, the laws of the state, any, or the laws of religion the more we become animal. Therefore in human life there should be restricted. Lawful life either in religious law or state laws or nature's laws then you will keep very fit for making progress in further developed consciousness. And the summit consciousness is Kṛṣṇa Consciousness that is our original consciousness. Just like original sky means clear sky and the sky sometimes becomes cloudy, misty, foggy, that is not original.\nSimilarly except Kṛṣṇa consciousness, except God consciousness, any other consciousness means cloudy, cloudy consciousness. Just like the sky, except clear sky whether it is cloud or mist or fog or something else, this is not clear. This is contaminated, similarly any other consciousness, except Kṛṣṇa consciousness and what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness or God consciousness? God is great I am small and I am dependent on God, this is Kṛṣṇa consciousness or God consciousness. Never try to become that, \"I am God, I am great,\" this is cloudy, misty.\nHow you are God? You cannot be God, you do not know what is God therefore you claim. There are so many rascals that claim that they are God. God is so cheap thing? No. God is great and I am small. Therefore my business is to abide by the order's of God, to become servant of God this is my actual life. And the more and we develop that life—the servant of God that is perfect life, that is perfect life.\nThe more we feel [chuckles], the more we act, as servant of God that is perfect life. And the more we feel that I am God, I am servant of my senses, I am servant of my country, I am servant of my society, I am servant of my dog and so many things. That is adulterated consciousness. You should always think that I am servant of Kṛṣṇa, I am servant of God and act in that way.\nSo this initiation means beginning life in that consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Now it is up to you to develop or to degrade. The spiritual master duty is, \"My dear boy, you write 'a' like this, this way.\" [indistinct]. So the spiritual master's duty is there. You do like that, you write like that, now if you write like this and practice it very nicely your handwriting becomes very nice and you are praised by everyone and you have become an educated literate man. Exactly like that a spiritual master's duty is to give you indication, direction, this is the way of spiritual realization.\nThis is the way of Kṛṣṇa consciousness he is always prepared to help you. Now it is up to you to take chance, don't expect any miracles. You must work yourself for advancing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it is a great science. So if you work sincerely and seriously then your life will be successful you will also meet Kṛṣṇa face-to-face, just like we are meeting face-to-face. You will talk with Kṛṣṇa, you will enjoy life with Kṛṣṇa as the Kṛṣṇa's cowherd boys, the gopīs, or as Kṛṣṇa's parents, or Kṛṣṇa's other servants and friends.\nSimilarly you can become Kṛṣṇa's friend, Kṛṣṇa's servant but either you become friend or servant or lover or parent whatever you become, any relationship. That is the in transcendental platform there are all the same. On the same level that you will realize as you make advancement.\nSo mantra means, don't be mental speculator or... Try to follow the rules and regulation and instruction and don't go by the dictation of the mind then your life will be successful.",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n[Chants the following mantras with devotees repeating responsively]\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ...\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the Six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nYou’re not chanting, here? You're not here? Try to chant loudly, yes. Hm.\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.\nśrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayitāya kṛpābdhaye\nkṛṣṇa-sambandha-vijñāna-dāyine prabhave namaḥ\nI offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīla Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.\nmādhuryojjvala-premāḍhya-śrī-rūpānuga-bhaktida-\nśrī-gaura-karuṇā-śakti-vigrahāya namo 'stu te\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mercy, who delivers devotional service enriched with conjugal love of Śrī Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.\nnamas te gaura-vāṇī-śrī-mūrtaye dīna-tāriṇe\nrūpānuga-viruddhāpasiddhānta-dhvānta-hāriṇe\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Lord Caitanya. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement against the teachings of devotional service enunciated by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.\nnamo gaura-kiśorāya sākṣād-vairāgya-mūrtaye\nvipralambha-rasāmbhodhe pādāmbujāya te namaḥ\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja [the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is renunciation personified. He is always merged in a feeling of separation and intense love of Kṛṣṇa.\nnamo bhaktivinodāya sac-cid-ānanda-nāmine\ngaura-śakti-svarūpāya rūpānuga-varāya te\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Saccidānanda Bhaktivinoda, who is the transcendental energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is a strict follower of the Gosvāmīs, headed by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.\ngaurāvirbhāva-bhūmes tvaṁ nirdeṣṭā saj-jana-priyaḥ\nvaiṣṇava-sārvabhaumaḥ śrī-jagannāthāya te namaḥ\nI offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīla Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who is respected by the entire Vaiṣṇava community and who confirmed the discovery of the place where Lord Caitanya appeared.\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvenebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.\npañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ bhakta-rūpa-svarūpakam\nbhaktāvatāraṁ bhaktākhyaṁ namāmi bhakta-śaktikam\nI offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional manifestation, devotional incarnation, pure devotee and devotional energy.\nnamo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te\nkṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ\nO most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmātī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\nO my dear Kṛṣṇa, O ocean of mercy, O friend of the distressed and the source of creation, O master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.\nAh, then.\njayatāṁ suratau paṅgor mama manda-mater gatī\nmat-sarvasva-padāmbhojau rādhā-madana-mohanau\nGlory to the all-merciful Rādhā and Madana-mohana! I am lame and ill advised, yet They are my directors, and Their lotus feet are everything to me.\ndīvyad-vṛndāraṇya-kalpa-drumādhaḥ\nśrīmad-ratnāgāra-siṁhāsana-sthau\nśrīmad-rādhā-śrīla-govinda-devau\npreṣṭālībhiḥ sevyamānau smarāmi\nIn a temple of jewels in Vṛndāvana, underneath a desire tree, Śrī Śrī Rādhā-Govinda, served by Their most confidential associates, sit upon an effulgent throne. I offer my humble obeisances unto Them.\nśrīmān rāsa-rasārambhī vaṁśī-vaṭa-taṭa-sthitaḥ\nkarṣan veṇu-svanair gopīr gopīnāthaḥ śriye 'stu naḥ\nŚrī Śrīla Gopīnātha, who originated the transcendental mellow of the rāsa dance, stands on the shore in Vaṁṣīvaṭa and attracts the attention of the cowherd damsels with the sound of His celebrated flute. May they all confer upon us their benediction.\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devi praṇamāmi hari-priye\nI offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīmātī Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.\nHare, Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Hare\nHare, Rāma, Hare, Rāma, Rāma, Rāma, Hare, Hare\nO Śrīmāti Rādhārāṇī (the divine energy of the Lord Kṛṣṇa), O all-attractive reservoir of pleasure, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, please engage me in Your loving devotional service.",
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"content": "\nHaribol!\nHari!",
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"content": "\nGive me that list. [indistinct] Alright.\nRead it, number eight. What is this? Eh?",
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"content": "\nOur japa beads.\nOur japa beads.\nYes.\n[japa]",
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"content": "\nAll right.",
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"content": "\n[japa].",
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"content": "\nYamunā, take these flowers and decorate there.",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nDown, up... like that.",
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"content": "\n[japa].",
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"content": "\n[japa] ... Garland?",
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"content": "\n[japa].",
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"content": "\nBegins from the bigger side. The big bead. And chant like this:\nHare, Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Hare\nHare, Rāma, Hare, Rāma, Rāma, Rāma, Hare, Hare\nFinish one then take one other and in this way come to this side. Don't cross, again begin from this. [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nDeva.",
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"content": "\nPuruṣottama, he will teach you. Eh?",
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"content": "\nDevadatta.",
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"content": "\nYour spiritual name is Devadatta. Devadatta. D e v a d u tt a. Devadatta.",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa. Haribol!",
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"content": "\nCome.",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa!",
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"content": "\nChant the mantra. Just chant.",
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"content": "\n\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.",
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"content": "\nSo you remember, you know what are the restriction?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nWhat is that?",
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"content": "\nNo illicit sex, no meat eating.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nNo gambling. And no intoxication.",
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"content": "\nYes. So you shall follow, all this. You should follow these restriction and happy.",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa! Hare Kṛṣṇa! Haribol! [japa].",
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"content": "\nDon't touch on the ground, keep it like this, Make a, make a, make a bag, you have seen the bag. You can prepare bags, like that? You can prepare bag?",
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"content": "\nMake a bead bag.",
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"content": "\nYes, bead bag.",
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"content": "\n[japa].",
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"content": "\n[japa]. This platform. Yes. [japa]. [indistinct] no?",
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"content": "\nNo sandalwood. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nThis was meant for[?].",
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"content": "\nBig bloom, I like more...",
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"content": "\n108, you have counted 108 beads?",
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"content": "\n[japa]. [Child crying]. [japa].",
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"content": "\n[japa]. Make it nicely, tightly, kumbha.",
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"content": "\nI'll show him?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nThe knot.",
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"content": "\nYes. The same process, begin from the bigger one, come to this side. Again begin from here and come to this side. This 16 rounds, daily. Take all instruction from your god-sisters. One round. You know the mantras? Now, please chant.",
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"content": "\n\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.",
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"content": "\nTake it. What is her name?",
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"content": "\nDroopadī.",
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"content": "\nEh? Draupadī.",
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"content": "\nHaribol!",
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"content": "\nTake that. [Laughs] That's all right. [Laughs] But, Draupadī had five husbands.",
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"content": "\n[Laughter]. Haribol.",
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"content": "\nDon't imitate.",
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"content": "\n[Laughter].",
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"content": "\n[Laughs]. Ha, that's all right. So, so far you are married. Now you, your, his name is Devadatta?",
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"content": "\nDevadatta. And they have a little son.",
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"content": "\nAnd Draupadī. So you just, stand up, how to accept her, tell her. Yes. Like that, yes.",
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"content": "\nSay [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\nYes, you know how. Tell that.",
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"content": "\nDevadatta prabhu [indistinct] Draupadi prabhu. Draup...\nDraupadi prabhu.\n[indistinct] I don't.",
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"content": "\nWhy not? You're seeing always, you should know? Do.",
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"content": "\nDevadatta prabhu do you promise to take charge of Draupadī and protect her and take care of her.",
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"content": "\nThen like him. Then like him. What he says, you say.",
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"content": "\nDoes he say yes? I ask him and he says yes?",
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"content": "\nNow, he, he repeat the words, what you say, you say \"I Devadatta.\" You say like this. \"I Devadatta.\" [indistinct], why don't you see [indistinct]? You say \"I Devadatta.\" You say.",
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"content": "\nI Devadatta.",
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"content": "\nAh, I accept you.",
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"content": "\nI accept you.",
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"content": "\nDraupadī as my wife.",
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"content": "\nAs my wife.",
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"content": "\nYes, I shall take charge of you.",
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"content": "\nI shall take charge of you.",
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"content": "\nFor your life.",
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"content": "\nFor your life.",
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"content": "\nFor your comfortable life.",
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"content": "\nFor your comfortable life.",
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"content": "\nAnd Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\nAnd Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\nYou say, you say. I Draupadī.",
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"content": "\nI Draupadī.",
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"content": "\nI accept you.",
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"content": "\nI accept you.",
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"content": "\nAs my husband, as your wife. To serve you.",
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"content": "\nTo serve you.",
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"content": "\nWhy don't you say? To serve you.",
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"content": "\nAs my wife to serve you.",
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"content": "\nEveryone should hear. This is a promise. And to serve you.",
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"content": "\nAnd to serve you.",
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"content": "\nThroughout my whole life.",
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"content": "\nThroughout my whole life.",
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"content": "\nThere will be no separation.",
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"content": "\nThere will be no separation.",
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"content": "\nIn any condition.",
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"content": "\nIn any condition.",
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"content": "\nEither in distress or in happiness.",
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"content": "\nEither in distress or in happiness.",
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"content": "\nAnd we shall live together peacefully for Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\nAnd we shall live together peacefully for Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\nThat's alright. Now change your garlands. Yes.",
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"content": "\nHaribol! Hare Kṛṣṇa!",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa, now you come to this side you go to that side. Like that. And you cover the head.",
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"content": "\nPrabhupāda?",
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"content": "\nYes?",
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"content": "\nWe have a little boy, Dylan.",
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"content": "\nThat's all right. Boy cannot see the marriage of father and mother.",
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"content": "\n[Laughs]",
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"content": "\nThat's all right. [Laughs] It is not good that boy shall see the marriage of father and mother.",
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"content": "\nNo! [Laughs]\n[Laughter].",
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"content": "\nYes. Boy is expected to come out after the marriage. Yes, well that's all right, now everything is in order, now you can take charge of your boy and go home. Yes.",
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"content": "\nCould we have a name for the...",
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"content": "\nYour name is Devadatta.",
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"content": "\nFor the boy.\nDhruvānanda.",
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"content": "\nDhruvānanda.",
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"content": "\nHaribol!",
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"content": "\nDhruvānanda, yes.",
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"content": "\n[Offering of obeisances]",
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"content": "\nNow your turn, your father and mother is present? Come here. So you agree to this marriage?",
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
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"content": "\nYour boy is being married with this girl. So you agree?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nDo you like this marriage?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nYou give permission to your boy?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nThat's all right.",
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"content": "\n[Laughter].",
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"content": "\nThat's all right. So you can say. Say the mantras.",
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"content": "\nI Kulaśekhara.\nI Kulaśekhara.\nPromise to take charge of you Viśākā.\nPromised take charge of you Viśākā.",
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"content": "\nOh a big yajña has to be performed, yajña.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nLet them, let them take the boy and come again to perform the yajña, yes.",
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"content": "\nTo take charge of you throughout my life.\nTo take charge of you throughout my life.\nTo help you in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nTo help you in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nAnd there shall never be any separation.\nAnd there will never be any separation.\nThrough distress or happiness.\nThrough distress or happiness.",
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"content": "\nYou say. I.",
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"content": "\nI Viśākā dāsī.\nI Viśākā.\nPromise to be your wife throughout my life.\nPromise to be your wife throughout my life.\nAnd to help you.",
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"content": "\nServe you.",
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"content": "\nAnd to serve you.\nAnd to serve you.",
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"content": "\nThroughout my life.",
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"content": "\nThroughout my life.",
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"content": "\nThere will be no separation.",
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"content": "\nThere will be no separation.",
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"content": "\nAh. And we shall live together peacefully in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\nAnd we shall live together peacefully in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\nEither in distress or in happiness.",
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"content": "\nEither in distress and happiness.",
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"content": "\nAlright. Now you can change your garlands.",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa! Haribol! [Offering of obeisances]",
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"content": "\nNow change, change your seat. Let her come to the left side, wife is the left side husband is the right side. They are one body.",
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"content": "\nJaya!",
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"content": "\nYes. Come on. Now if you can bow down to your father and mother, you can go to show your respect's to your father and mother. Your father and your mother. See, you can offer your blessings to them. You, you offer your blessings to them. Blessings, you offer your blessings. Good it[?] yes. You are fortunate to have a son like this, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Yes.",
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"content": "\nHaribol! Hare Kṛṣṇa!\n[japa].",
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"content": "\nThen let us perform this... Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. All chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n[japa].",
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"content": "\nIt should be [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n[japa].",
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"content": "\nVery clean.",
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"content": "\nYes Prabhupāda.\n[japa].",
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"content": "\n[Off mic now] Yes. [indistinct conversation]",
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"content": "\nJaya Śrī Guru.\n[japa]. [breaking of sticks]",
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"content": "\nWhat is this rice? It is rice?",
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"content": "\nYes Śrīla Prabhupāda, [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nYou could not seek out a [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n[indistinct]\nWell. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nRice will not burn.",
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"content": "\nI [indistinct]\nBurning.",
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"content": "\nYou have got burning? Bring it.",
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"content": "\nShow Mālatī.",
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"content": "\nYou have to. Why only four five colours [indistinct]. But you do not see [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nNo [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nNo, you told but you did not see that it is properly made. [end]",
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"content": "\n I’ve asked devotees about how they feel toward sex in their relations, and I see the way they feel, but I can’t see myself acting the same way. See, I’ll be getting married at the end of this summer.\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n I’ll be getting married at the end of this summer, in September or August when I return to America. And the devotees say that the householders only have sex to conceive a child, and I cannot picture myself at all in such a position. What kind of sex life can a devotee lead, living in the material world?",
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"content": "\n The Vedic principle is that one should avoid sex life altogether. The whole Vedic principle is to get liberation from material bondage. There are different attachments for material enjoyment, of which sex life is the topmost. The Bhāgavatam says that in this material world man is attached to woman, and woman is attached to man: puṁsaḥ striyā mithunī-bhāvam etam. Not only in human society – in animal society also. That attachment is the basic principle of material life. So, a woman is hankering for or seeking after the association of a man, and a man is hankering for or seeking the association of a woman. All the fiction novels, dramas, cinemas, and even ordinary advertisements that you see simply depict the attachment between man and woman. Even in the tailor’s shop you will find in the window some woman and some man. So this attachment is already there.",
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"content": "\n Attachment between man and woman?",
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"content": "\n Yes. So if you want to get liberation from this material world, then that attachment should be reduced to nil. Otherwise, simply further attachment. You will have to take rebirth, either as a human being or as a demigod or as an animal, as a serpent, as a bird, as a beast. You will have to take birth. \nSo, this basic principle of increasing attachment is not our business, although it is the general tendency. Gṛha, kṣetra, suta [home, land, children]. But if one can reduce and stop it, that is first class. Therefore our Vedic system is to first of all train a boy as a brahmacārī – no sex life. The Vedic principle is to reduce attachment, not to increase it. Therefore the whole system is called varṇāśrama-dharma.\nThe Indian system calls for varṇa and āśrama – four social orders and four spiritual orders. Brahmacarya [celibate student life], gṛhastha [married life], vānaprastha [retired life], and sannyāsa [renounced life] – these are the spiritual orders. And the social orders consist of brāhmaṇas [intellectuals], kṣatriyas [administrators], vaiśyas [merchants and farmers], and śūdras [ordinary workers]. So under this system, the regulative principles are so nice that\neven if one has the tendency to enjoy material life, he is so nicely molded that at last he achieves liberation and goes back home, back to Godhead. This is the process. So sex life is not required, but because we are attached to it, there are some regulative principles under which it is maintained.\n[Chanting starts somewhere in the background, with exotic mṛdaṅga drumbeats amid laughing and the loud blowing of horns.]\nIt is said in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam [5.5.8]: \npuṁsaḥ striyā mithunī-bhāvam etaṁ\n \ntayor mitho hṛdaya-granthim āhuḥ\nato gṛha-kṣetra-sutāpta-vittair\n \njanasya moho ’yam ahaṁ mameti\nThis sex life is the basic principle of material life – attachment for man or woman. And when a man and woman are united, that attachment becomes increased, and that increased attachment will induce one to accumulate gṛha (a home), kṣetra (land), suta (children), āpta (friendship or society), and vitta, money. In this way – gṛha-kṣetra-sutāpta-vittaiḥ – he becomes entangled. Janasya moho ’yam: this is illusion. And by this illusion he thinks, ahaṁ mameti: “I am this body, and anything in relationship with this body is mine.”",
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"content": "\n What is that again?",
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"content": "\n The attachment increases. The material attachment involves thinking “I am this body, and because I have this body in this particular place, this is my country.” And that is going on: “I am American, I am Indian, I am German, I am this, I am that. This is my country. I shall sacrifice everything for my country and society.” So in this way, the illusion increases. And under this illusion, when he dies he gets another body. It may be a superior body or an inferior body, according to his karma. So if he gets a superior body, then that is also an entanglement, even if he goes to the heavenly planets. But if he becomes a cat or dog, then his life is lost. Or a tree – there is every chance of it. \nSo this science is not known in the world – how the soul is transmigrating from one body to another, and how he is being entrapped in different types of bodies. This science is unknown. In the Bhagavad-gītā Arjuna lamented, “How can I kill my brother or my grandfather on the other side?” He was simply thinking on the basis of the bodily concept of life. But when he could not solve his problems, he surrendered to Kṛṣṇa and accepted Him as spiritual master. And when Kṛṣṇa became his spiritual master, He chastised Arjuna in the beginning [Gītā 2.11]:\naśocyān anvaśocas tvaṁ\n \nprajñā-vādāṁś ca bhāṣase\ngatāsūn agatāsūṁś ca\n \nnānuśocanti paṇḍitāḥ\n“You are talking like a learned man, but you are fool number one because you are talking about the bodily concept of life.” So sex life increases the bodily concept of life. Therefore, the whole process is to reduce it to nil.",
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"content": "\n To reduce it over the stages of your life?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Reduce it. A boy is trained as a student up to age twenty-five, restricting sex life. Brahmacārī. So, some of the boys remain naiṣṭhika-brahmacārī [celibate for life]. Because they are given an education and they become fully conversant with spiritual knowledge, they don’t want to marry. And even if they do marry, sex life is restricted. But the basic principle is that one cannot have sex life without being married. Therefore in human society there is marriage, not in animal society.\nBut people are gradually descending from human society to animal society. They are forgetting marriage. That is also predicted in the śāstras [scriptures]. Dāmpatye ’bhirucir hetuḥ: in the Kali-yuga [the present age of quarrel], eventually there will be no marriage; the boy and the girl will simply agree to live together, and their relationship will exist on sexual power. If the man or the woman is deficient in sex life, then there is divorce. So, for this philosophy there are many Western philosophers like Freud and others who have written so many books. But according to Vedic culture, we are interested in sex only for begetting children, that’s all. Not to study the psychology of sex life. There is already natural psychology for that. Even if one does not read any philosophy, he is sexually inclined. Nobody is taught it in the schools and colleges. Everyone already knows how to do it. [He laughs.] That is the general tendency. But education should be given to stop it. That is real education. ",
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"content": "\n In America at present that’s a radical concept.",
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"content": "\n Well, in America there are so many things that require reformation, and this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement will bring that. I went to your country and saw that the boys and girls were living like friends, so I said to my students, “You cannot live together as friends; you must get yourselves married.”",
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"content": "\n Many people see that even marriage is not sacred, so they find no desire to marry. They see that often people get married, and if things are not proper they get a divorce so very easily. Therefore many people feel that to get married is not meaningful.",
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"content": "\n Their idea is that marriage is for legalized prostitution. They think like that, but that is not marriage. Even that Christian paper – what is that? ",
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"content": "\n Watchtower.",
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"content": "\n Watchtower. It has criticized that one priest has allowed a marriage between two men – homosexuality. So these things are all going on. People are taking to marriage purely for prostitution, that’s all. So therefore people are thinking, “What is the use of keeping a regular prostitute at such heavy expenditure? Better not to have this.”",
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"content": "\n You use that example of the cow and the market.",
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"content": "\n Yes. When milk is available in the marketplace, what is the use of keeping a cow? [Everyone laughs.] It is a very abominable condition in the Western countries. I have seen it. Here also, in India, gradually it is coming. Therefore we have started this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement to educate people in the essential principles of spiritual life. It is not a sectarian religious movement. It is a cultural movement for everyone’s benefit.",
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"content": "\n [sings:]\nbrahmādayaḥ sura-gaṇā munayo ’tha siddhāḥ\nsattvaikatāna-gatayo vacasāṁ pravāhaiḥ\nnārādhituṁ puru-guṇair adhunāpi pipruḥ\nkiṁ toṣṭum arhati sa me harir ugra-jāteḥ\n[SB 7.9.8]\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja prayed: How is it possible for me, who have been born in a family of asuras, to offer suitable prayers to satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead? Even until now, all the demigods, headed by Lord Brahmā, and all the saintly persons could not satisfy the Lord by streams of excellent words, although such persons are very qualified, being in the mode of goodness. Then what is to be said of me? I am not at all qualified.]\nmanye dhanābhijana-rūpa-tapaḥ-śrutaujas-\ntejaḥ-prabhāva-bala-pauruṣa-buddhi-yogāḥ\nnārādhanāya hi bhavanti parasya puṁso\nbhaktyā tutoṣa bhagavān gaja-yūtha-pāya\n[SB 7.9.9]\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja continued: One may possess wealth, an aristocratic family, beauty, austerity, education, sensory expertise, luster, influence, physical strength, diligence, intelligence and mystic yogic power, but I think that even by all these qualifications one cannot satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead. However, one can satisfy the Lord simply by devotional service. Gajendra did this, and thus the Lord was satisfied with him.]\nviprād dvi-ṣaḍ-guṇa-yutād aravinda-nābha-\npādāravinda-vimukhāt śvapacaṁ variṣṭham\nmanye tad-arpita-mano-vacanehitārtha-\nprāṇaṁ punāti sa kulaṁ na tu bhūrimānaḥ\n[SB 7.9.10]\n[If a brāhmaṇa has all twelve of the brahminical qualifications [as they are stated in the book called Sanat-sujāta] but is not a devotee and is averse to the lotus feet of the Lord, he is certainly lower than a devotee who is a dog-eater but who has dedicated everything—mind, words, activities, wealth and life—to the Supreme Lord. Such a devotee is better than such a brāhmaṇa because the devotee can purify his whole family, whereas the so-called brāhmaṇa in a position of false prestige cannot purify even himself.]\nnaivātmanaḥ prabhur ayaṁ nija-lābha-pūrṇo\nmānaṁ janād aviduṣaḥ karuṇo vṛṇīte\nyad yaj jano bhagavate vidadhīta mānaṁ\ntac cātmane prati-mukhasya yathā mukha-śrīḥ\n[SB 7.9.11]\n[The Supreme Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is always fully satisfied in Himself. Therefore when something is offered to Him, the offering, by the Lord's mercy, is for the benefit of the devotee, for the Lord does not need service from anyone. To give an example, if one's face is decorated, the reflection of one's face in a mirror is also seen to be decorated.]\n[01:49]\nIn the last meeting, we have discussed that a person in devotional service, even though born of a very low family who are eating dogs’ flesh, he is better than a qualified brāhmaṇa who is not a devotee of the Lord. The only disqualification—that he is not a devotee of the Lord—that makes everything null and void. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāh [SB 5.18.12].\n[All the demigods and their exalted qualities, such as religion, knowledge and renunciation, become manifest in the body of one who has developed unalloyed devotion for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vāsudeva. On the other hand, a person devoid of devotional service and engaged in material activities has no good qualities. Even if he is adept at the practice of mystic yoga or the honest endeavor of maintaining his family and relatives, he must be driven by his own mental speculations and must engage in the service of the Lord's external energy. How can there be any good qualities in such a man?]\nThe Bhāgavata school does not give any credit for all material acquisitions. Simply they say it is simply a waste of time. Śrama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8]. If by your worldly acquisition, if by your religious principles, if you are becoming very highly thoughtful man of character—all good qualifications materially estimated—but if your aptitude is not Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then Bhāgavata says śrama eva hi kevalam, it is simply laboring, that’s all.\ndharmaḥ svanuṣṭhitaḥ puṁsāṁ\nviṣvaksena-kathāsu yaḥ\nnotpādayed yadi ratiṁ\nśrama eva hi kevalam\n[SB 1.2.8]\n[The occupational activities a man performs according to his own position are only so much useless labor if they do not provoke attraction for the message of the Personality of Godhead.]\nŚrama means “labor” and kevalam means “only.” Dharmaḥ svanuṣṭhitaḥ puṁsāṁ: everyone has got some particular type of duty. I’m not speaking of those who are not following the Vedic prin… Duty means to follow the duty enjoined by the scriptures. That is called duty.\nDuty, you cannot make anything, manufacturing duty, that “This is my duty.” No. Duty means it is authorized. So according to Vedic principle, everyone has some authorized duty. The classification is brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra. They are followers of the enjoined duties. Others, they are called pañcama; they are out of this core.\nSo even those who are following the duties—brāhmaṇa’s duty, kṣatriya’s duty, vaiśya’s duties, śūdra’s duty… The more you come lower, the duty’s charge becomes smaller. Just like the brāhmaṇa, they have to qualify in twelve kinds of qualifications. The kṣatriyas, they have to qualify themselves in seven kinds of qualifications. The vaiśyas, they have to qualify themselves in three kinds of qualifications. And the śūdras, they have to qualify themselves in one, that’s all. What is that one? Simply to serve the master faithfully. That’s all. Paricaryātmakaṁ karma śūdrasyāpi svabhāva-jam [Bg. 18.44].\n[Farming, cattle raising and business are the qualities of work for the vaiśyas, and for the śūdras there is labor and service to others.]\nA śūdra means one who is simply to satisfy the master. He cannot live independently. He must seek out. Just like a dog: a dog’s living independently means it is a street dog; there is no comfort. A street dog has no comfort. The cats and dogs, they find out some shelter. Just like this cat [chuckles], Govinda dāsī's cat. As soon as Govinda dāsī comes out, immediately she comes on the feet: “My dear mother, please keep me on your feet.” So that is fortunate, she has selected…, it has selected a Vaiṣṇavī, so it will have some good affect. But if the selection is wrong…\nSo our Vaiṣṇava principle is we have to qualify ourselves, just like cats and dog. But we are not going to serve the ordinary person. Kṛṣṇa and His representative—then his life is perfect. Kalau śūdra sambhava. In this age, everyone is practically a śūdra seeking a master. But let him seek a master. Kṛṣṇa is prepared. He says, sarva-dharmān parityaja mām ekaṁ [Bg. 18.66]\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.]\n“Just accept Me as your master.” The master is ready. If we accept this master, then our life is successful. Even though you are now in śūdras, but don’t make mistake to find out a master who is a nonsense. Then life is spoiled.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja says, śvapacaṁ variṣṭham—because one has dedicated his life… Because without dedication one’s life to the transcendental loving service of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, all other qualification, material qualification they are acquiring, they are simply laboring hard. That’s all.\nThere is no benefit. As soon as this body is finished, whatever I acquired by my material qualification, that is all finished. But if we have got a tinge of spiritual qualification, that will go with you, because you are spiritual soul; you are eternal. Therefore whatever spiritual activities you do, that is also eternal.\nNow the question is that does it mean that Kṛṣṇa is hankering after your service? We are advising everyone, “Just become a servant of Kṛṣṇa or His representative.” Kṛṣṇa and His representative is identity…, identical. That is explained in the Guruvaṣṭakam: saṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha [Śrī Śrī Gurv-aṣṭaka 1].\n[The spiritual master is receiving benediction from the ocean of mercy. Just as a cloud pours water on a forest fire to extinguish it, so the spiritual master delivers the materially afflicted world by extinguishing the blazing fire of material existence. I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of such a spiritual master, who is an ocean of auspicious qualities.]\nYou chant these songs, in the last verse that is sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair. The representative of Kṛṣṇa is not different from Him. That is the way of dealing, even in the material field. Anyone’s representative is as good as the proprietor. Even our ordinary canvasser, he comes to book some order from you, but as soon as he signs on behalf of such-and-such company, then the company is responsible for his signature, because he is representative.\nEven if he has transacted some business at a loss, the company has to bear it. Even if there is no profit, the company cannot refuse the contract, because it has been signed by a representative. Is it not a fact? What do you think? This business—this is business dealing. As soon as a man signs for such-and-such company, it doesn’t matter.\nJust like representative, ordinary policeman, he comes with a paper: “Here is a warrant for you. You have to go immediately.” What does the [indistinct] say—“What you are? You are non-significant.” No. He’s the representative of government; therefore you have to abide by his rule, abide by his order.\nSo in the material world also, the representative’s value is there. Similarly, sākṣād-dharitvena samasta: the spiritual master is representative of Kṛṣṇa. And Viśvanātha Cakravārtī advises that in all the scriptures it is stated that spiritual master is identical with the Supreme Lord. Sākṣād-dharitvena. Sākṣād means “exactly the same.” Sākṣād. Not that indirect. Sākṣād means “directly,” just like face to face.\nIf you see the representative of Kṛṣṇa, that means you are seeing Kṛṣṇa. Because you have to see Kṛṣṇa through that representative; otherwise there is no seeing Kṛṣṇa. He is the transparent via media. Everyone has no idea what is Kṛṣṇa. And because the representative of Kṛṣṇa induces one to see Kṛṣṇa and gives his knowledge and intelligence and tactics how to see Kṛṣṇa, therefore he is as good as Kṛṣṇa. That is the verdict of all śāstras. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair. Samasta means “all,” and śāstra means “scripture.”\nŚāstra—Vedic literature, authorized literature. That is the verdict. Kintu prabhor yaḥ: but it does not mean, not like the Māyāvādī… The Māyāvādī, they present he is Kṛṣṇa. But the Vaiṣṇava, spiritual master, he does not say that “I am Kṛṣṇa.” He says, “I am humble servant of Kṛṣṇa.” That is his position: kintu. But the servant, why he is as good as Kṛṣṇa? Because he is the most confidential servant. Therefore he is as good as Kṛṣṇa.\nSo here the question is that a disciple, a follower, is advised to serve Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is far away. His representative… Just like cats and dogs. Vaiṣṇava ṭhākura tomāra kukura baliyā jānaha more. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has written one song, Vaiṣṇava Ṭhākura. A spiritual master, or a Vaiṣṇava, is called ṭhākura. Just like we say “Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura.” Ṭhākura means “as good as God.” Ṭhākura. Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura.\nSo Vaiṣṇava who is actually representative of Kṛṣṇa, he is also ṭhākura. “Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura,” we say. “Baladeva Vidyābhūṣana Ṭhākura.” All the big Vaiṣṇavas, those who are representatives of Kṛṣṇa, they are called ṭhākura. So vaiṣṇava ṭhākura tomāra kukura. Vaiṣṇava… Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura is addressing, “My dear Vaiṣṇava, devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa, you are ṭhākura. You are as good as Kṛṣṇa. So you accept me,” tomāra kukura, “you accept me as your dog.”\nSo he has sung a very lengthy song, tomāra kukura baliyā jānaha more: “So please accept me as your dog.” Then he describes: as a dog watches the door, no outsiders are allowed to come in. So he says, “I shall always watch your door. I shall not allow any nondevotee to enter your house.” He is saying like that. “And for my food, whatever remnants of food you throw me, I shall be satisfied with that.” In this way he has presented himself as a dog to the devotee.\nSo why this instruction? Does the Vaiṣṇava require a dog, or Kṛṣṇa require any servant? This verse says that naivātmanaḥ prabhur ayaṁ nija-lābha-pūrṇo. The Lord, Prabhu, or His representative, He does not require any service. He does not require any service. Then what is the use of offering myself as a dog, as a servant? He’s not need of a dog or a servant. Nija-lābha-pūrṇo. \nNija means “own”; lābha, lābha means “gain.” Pūrṇo. Pūrṇo means “fully.” He has, Kṛṣṇa… Kṛṣṇa is full Himself, ṣaḍ-aiśvarya-pūrṇa. Pūrṇa means “complete.” He is full of all opulences. Nobody is richer than Him; nobody is reputed than Him; nobody is powerful than Him; nobody is beautiful than Him; nobody is learned than Him; nobody is renouncer than Him. Just see. Kṛṣṇa has created… God created this world. But God does not come here; He has got His own place—kingdom of God.\nJust see, renouncer. “You do whatever you like. You take. Enjoy. You want to enjoy? You want to become God? You want to imitate? All right, take this world, material world, and do whatever you like.” Who can be renouncer than Him? If you construct a small building, “Hah, it is my building. No trespasser allowed.”\nJust see how Kṛṣṇa is renouncer. God created… Nobody is more renouncer than God, Kṛṣṇa. So how we can become…, how we can satisfy Him by becoming His dog or servant? He can create millions of servants like you. Why He has…, shall be anxious to accept you, a fourth-class servant? Not even fourth-class—no classification.\nSo here it is said prabhur ayaṁ. Prabhur. Kṛṣṇa—nija-lābha-pūrṇo. He is complete in Himself. There is no need of any service for Him. Otherwise, unless He is complete, how He can be God? Similarly, the question is raised, “All right, if Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is complete, that’s accepted. So how His representative is complete? So he requires some servant, or dog.” No.\nHe is also complete. How he is complete? Because the Complete is his property. Kṛṣṇa is his property; therefore he is also complete. Just like the father is very rich man, and the little son, he is not rich man. But because he is rich man’s son, therefore he is rich man. Automatically. Yaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ manyate nādhikaṁ tataḥ [Bg. 6.22].\n[The stage of perfection is called trance, or samādhi, when one's mind is completely restrained from material mental activities by practice of yoga. This is characterized by one's ability to see the self by the pure mind and to relish and rejoice in the self. In that joyous state, one is situated in boundless transcendental happiness and enjoys himself through transcendental senses. Established thus, one never departs from the truth, and upon gaining this he thinks there is no greater gain. Being situated in such a position, one is never shaken, even in the midst of greatest difficulty. This indeed is actual freedom from all miseries arising from material contact.]\nThe Bhagavad-gītā, it will point that if you can achieve Kṛṣṇa… How you can achieve Kṛṣṇa? Kṛṣṇa does not require any service from you but the love. If you can achieve Kṛṣṇa, then you will feel that “I don’t require anything more.” Yaṁ labdhvā: by gaining which a person thinks, “Complete, full.”\nDhruva Mahārāja said when he saw Viṣṇu, he says, svāmin kṛtārtho ’smi varaṁ na yāce [Cc. Madhya 22.42]\n[“[When he was being blessed by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Dhruva Mahārāja said:] ’O my Lord, because I was seeking an opulent material position, I was performing severe types of penance and austerity. Now I have gotten You, who are very difficult for the great demigods, saintly persons and kings to attain. I was searching after a piece of glass, but instead I have found a most valuable jewel. Therefore I am so satisfied that I do not wish to ask any benediction from You.’]\n“My dear Lord, my all desires and demands are now fulfilled. I don’t want anything.” This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If actually one becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious, he has no more demand for anything material. Not by becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious, even by coming to the spiritual light one can become like that. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā [Bg. 18.54]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nAs soon as one realizes his self, immediately he becomes joyful. So long there is demand for our sense gratification, you cannot be joyful. So nija-lābha-pūrṇo. Tad ekam danadi apramena samanan prakrtaiva bhagavan apityata nitiya [Śrīdhara Svāmī commentary]. So this verse says “No.”\nJust like in the material sense, if I got immense wealth, if I’ve got immense manpower—many servants, many children, many followers, many houses, many bank balances, much bank balance, all these things—so that is a kind of so-called satisfaction. So does Kṛṣṇa and His devotee require these kind of satisfaction by possessing more?\nThis says, this verse says, “No; it is not that.” Kṛṣṇa and His representative is not trying to possess more, just like ordinary man. You cannot say it like this. Tad ekam danadi apramena samanan prakrta [Śrīdhara Svāmī commentary].\nHere in the material world they want to acquire riches and manpower. That is material desire, fulfillment of material desire. Does it mean that Kṛṣṇa and His devotee or His representative is like that, desiring to fulfill some material ambition by getting money and men? This verse says “No it is not that.” Tad ekam danadi apramena samanan prakrtaiva bhagavan apityata [Śrīdhara Svāmī commentary].\nThe Lord, does He, I mean to say, wait, or does He depend upon such material acquisition, therefore He is canvassing that “You surrender unto Me; you follow Me,” so that another addition of servant He gets? No. It is not like that. Try to understand this. Ahara prabhu isvara avidusa avakad janat manam pujan, atmana arthena vinite nechate. Yatha niva larva neva purna [Śrīdhara Svāmī commentary].\nThe Supreme Personality of Godhead does not require any service. He is already satisfied by His own opulence. Tad ekin puja nechetati eva tatra karuna krpalu ata brinate ca, tattva itur jagajad iti. Janjan manam jadvar jasmad jarineda janadi na bhagavate manam bhidavita, kaveva atmane bhavati nainat jatha mukhe krpaiva tilokada sri sobha, prativinda suhotri natu saksad ta saiva kartun sakrti talva [Śrīdhara Svāmī commentary].\nPrahlāda Mahārāja says that “He demands your surrender, your service or your wealth—’You give Me everything.’ It is for your benefit. He is full.” Just like a small example—suppose a bank advertises that “You deposit your money; we give you five percent.” So does it mean the bank has got less money and is trying to get your money to fulfill? No.\nThe bank has immense money. But if you deposit some money in the bank, then your money is protected, and you get nice interest. The bank is not poverty-stricken. Don’t think... I’m just giving a crude example. Similarly, by serving Kṛṣṇa you will be benefited. Therefore it is said, mānaṁ janād aviduṣaḥ. \nPeople do not know. Aviduṣaḥ. Aviduṣaḥ means they are fools. They are thinking that “Why shall I become servant of God? Why shall I become dog of God?” But he will become very willingly a dog of a third-class man. Therefore he is aviduṣaḥ. Aviduṣaḥ means “fool,” “rascal.” He will agree to become a dog, a servant, of a fourth-class man, third-class man and nonsense.\nBut as soon as we shall say that “You become servant of Kṛṣṇa, dog of Kṛṣṇa,” he will protest: “Oh, why shall I become? I am God. Just see. I am Kṛṣṇa.” Just see the fun. [laughs] Therefore aviduṣaḥ. Aviduṣaḥ means “rascal,” “fool.”\nSo mānaṁ janād aviduṣaḥ karuṇo vṛṇīte. So when Kṛṣṇa says that “You surrender unto Me,” it is His mercy. Out of His mercy He is asking, that “This will be good for you. You are servant of God, you are dog of… You are servant of māyā, dog of māyā, servant of nonsense, dog of nonsense. You just become My dog, My servant. That will be good for you.” And He gives assurance also, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi [Bg. 18.66]\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.]\n“I shall give you protection from all sinful reaction.” Suppose I am servant of a third-class nonsense. When he asks me something to do which is abominable, which I should not do, but in order to keep my service there I have to do it, and it is sinful. But from the reaction of sinful activities, he cannot give me protection. I will have to suffer.\nTherefore one who is intelligent, he can understand that kāmādināṁ katidhā na katidhā palita durnideṣaḥ [Brs. 3.2.25, quoted in Cc. Madhya 22.16]\n[“’O my Lord, there is no limit to the unwanted orders of lusty desires. Although I have rendered these desires so much service, they have not shown any mercy to me. I have not been ashamed to serve them, nor have I even desired to give them up. O my Lord, O head of the Yadu dynasty, recently, however, my intelligence has been awakened, and now I am giving them up. Due to transcendental intelligence, I now refuse to obey the unwanted orders of these desires, and I now come to You to surrender myself at Your fearless lotus feet. Kindly engage me in Your personal service and save me.’]\n“I have served throughout my whole life…” Serving means…, actually I am serving not any master. I don’t like that master. I don’t wish to serve, because I know he is third-class, fourth-class man. But I am serving my lust. I think that “By serving this man I shall get some money, so I shall be able to satisfy my senses.”\nSo therefore I am not serving, because I am not inclined to serve him, but because I am serving his money. So kāmādināṁ katidhā na katidhā palita durnideṣaḥ [Brs. 3.2.25]:\n“Therefore to serve my lust, I have done so many abominable things. But in spite of doing that,” teṣāṁ na karuṇā na mayi jatā, “I have served the lust,” kāmādināṁ. Kāmādināṁ means not only lust—lust, anger, avarice, envy, so many things. “So I have served, throughout my whole life, but unfortunately still they are not kind to me. They are not kind to me.”\nOne man is serving the dictation of his senses. Even if he is old, just going to die, still he is after that sense gratification. He knows that this drinking habit is not good. Nobody will say, any of his son, that “You become a drunkard like me, debauch like me,” because he knows. But he cannot give it up. This is the material position. Kāmādināṁ katidhā na katidhā palita durnideṣaḥ. Always dictating.\nSo one who has got this sense, that “I am serving māyā. I am serving illusion. So Kṛṣṇa is demanding from me service; why not serve Kṛṣṇa?” this is intelligence. So aviduṣaḥ karuṇo vṛṇīte [SB 7.9.11]. Then other thing is that I can see… Suppose I am serving somebody in the material sense. So I am getting some money. But what I am getting if I serve Kṛṣṇa and God? I am not getting even money. It is simply I am wasting my energy. No. It says, yad yaj jano bhagavate vidadhīta mānaṁ.\nThe service rendered unto Kṛṣṇa, tac cātmane. If you are serving Kṛṣṇa, that means you are actually serving yourself. The same example: the hands and legs, they are serving the stomach–you see, whole day working, and the food is moving. The hand is preparing food and the brain is working, everyone. But after the preparation of food the stomach is sitting idly, and you offer it.\nThe stomach is doing nothing, but the other limbs of the body, they are working all day and night. But when the actual foodstuff is prepared, it is to be given to the stomach. You see? So why? Why it should be done? Not… The Bhāgavata says that if you do that, that is your welfare. That is your welfare. Whatever you give to Kṛṣṇa, that is your…, that is your beauty, that is your… Everything that comes to…\nThe example, example is here given that, tac cātmane prati-mukhasya yathā mukha-śrīḥ [SB 7.9.11]. Prati-mukhasya. Suppose if you decorating your face… Suppose Kṛṣṇa is the face, and you decorate Kṛṣṇa, this face—but you cannot see the beauty of the face. The eyes are there in the face, but you cannot see how much beautiful it is decorated. But you stand before a mirror, and the face reflected in the mirror, you see all the beauty. So we are, man is made after God. You see?\nWe are just like reflection of God. So as in the mirror the reflection you can see the beauty, similarly by serving God you serve your society, you serve your country, you serve yourself—everything. This is the secret. By serving God, nobody is loser. He serves himself, he serves his country, he serves his family, he serves the human society, he serves the living entity—everyone. The same principle: when the stomach is satisfied, all the limbs of the body are satisfied. When the water is poured on the root of the tree, all the branches and fruits and flowers, they are automatically nourished.\nThis is the secret of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, to become dog of Kṛṣṇa, servant of Kṛṣṇa, means you are philanthropist, you are national, you are altruistic—so many good qualifications. You are universal brotherhood… There are big, big words all—but all these things can be achieved in one stroke by simply becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious. You become good member of your family, you become good citizen, you become good, I mean to say, yourself. You become humanitarian, you become philanthropic, altruistic—everything.\nJust take one example: take any devotee, how he’s full in all these qualifications. He is a good member of the family, he is a good citizen, he is a good philanthropy, he is a good altruistic—everything. Sarvair guṇais tatra samāsate surāḥ [SB 5.18.12].\n[All the demigods and their exalted qualities, such as religion, knowledge and renunciation, become manifest in the body of one who has developed unalloyed devotion for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vāsudeva. On the other hand, a person devoid of devotional service and engaged in material activities has no good qualities. Even if he is adept at the practice of mystic yoga or the honest endeavor of maintaining his family and relatives, he must be driven by his own mental speculations and must engage in the service of the Lord's external energy. How can there be any good qualities in such a man?]\nAs soon as one becomes Kṛṣṇa consciousness, all these good qualities will develop in him. Therefore the very good example, that tac cātmane prati-mukhasya yathā mukha-śrīḥ. Mukha-śrīḥ, the beauty of the face after decoration, the face cannot see immediately. But it is reflected; it can be seen in the reflection. So if people accept this philosophy of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then the reflection—the world is the reflection; this material world is the reflection of the spiritual world—everything will be satisfactory, everything will be peaceful, everything will be glorious.\ntasmād ahaṁ vigata-viklava īśvarasya\nsarvātmanā mahi gṛṇāmi yathā manīṣam\nnīco ’jayā guṇa-visargam anupraviṣṭaḥ\npūyeta yena hi pumān anuvarṇitena\n[SB 7.9.12]\n[Therefore, although I was born in a demoniac family, I may without a doubt offer prayers to the Lord with full endeavor, as far as my intelligence allows. Anyone who has been forced by ignorance to enter the material world may be purified of material life if he offers prayers to the Lord and hears the Lord's glories.]\nTasmād ahaṁ. Therefore, if the process is like that, if one understands fully that by simply serving Kṛṣṇa, simply becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious, I become fully qualified in everything, then why not accept it?\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja says, tasmād evaṁ, because it is like that. Tasmād evaṁ bhagavan bhakti eva tucchyati [Śrīdhara Svāmī commentary]. So simply by discharging devotional service in Kṛṣṇa consciousness everything can be achieved; then what shall I do? Tasmād ahaṁ nīco ’pi.\n“I know that I am disqualified in every respect. I am born of a demon father. I cannot give any good representation of my family, my father. And I am also a little boy, which I… I am not educated. I never studied Vedānta, how to please God, how to understand. Never studied philosophy. So I am disqualified by birth, by age, by education and everything.” Nīco. “In everything I am lower.”\nThat is the temperament of a Vaiṣṇava. Vaiṣṇava never thinks, “Oh, I am this, I am that.” Prahlāda Mahārāja, just see how much qualified he is, but he is thinking himself nīca. Nīca means the most downtrodden, the most fallen. Just like Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, he is singing,\npatita-pāvana-hetu tava avatāra\nmo sama patita prabhu nā pāibe āra\n[Prārthanā 39]\n[Your incarnation is just to reclaim the conditioned, fallen souls, but I assure You that You will not find a greater candidate for Your mercy than me.]\n“My dear Lord Caitanya, You have appeared to deliver the fallen souls, but please note that You will find no degraded fallen souls more than me. I am the last. If You are finding out the fallen souls, my number is the last. So therefore kindly accept me. And then from the opposite side, because You have come to claim the fallen souls, thus from the opposite side my number is first. Please accept me.”\nSo this is the Vaiṣṇava mentality. Here Prahlāda Mahārāja says that “I am nīca. I am fallen. I am the lowest. I have no good qualifications, no good parentage, nothing of this sort. Then how can I serve Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme? But the only hope is that, that whatever I do, that is good for me.” So even if I do a little, that little is good for me.\nThere is no question of disappointment. He doesn’t require any service from me. But whatever little service I can render, that is for my good. So there is no question of loss. Tasmad evam bhagavan bhakti eva tucchyati, tasmād ahaṁ nīco ’pi vigata viklava. [Śrīdhara Svāmī commentary]. “Therefore I should not hesitate.”\nNobody should hesitate. Prahlāda Mahārāja is giving us this assurance, that to serve Kṛṣṇa, there is no question of hesitation. There is no question that I am lower, I am uneducated, I am born of this family or that family, or I am black or white or this or that. There is no question of disqualification. In whatever position you are, you can render service to Kṛṣṇa.\nI… My Guru Mahārāja therefore always instructed that it is not necessary that you have to qualify yourself for serving Kṛṣṇa. Whatever qualification you have already got, that is sufficient to come to the platform of service. That’s all. You don’t require any extra qualifications. But what extra qualifications?\nSo if somebody thinks, “Let me qualify like this, then I shall be able to serve Kṛṣṇa better,” no, that’s a wrong philosophy. Whatever qualification you have acquired already, you begin Kṛṣṇa service, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, immediately, so that even a little bit done towards service you are gainer. Vigata-viklava gata sankha[?]. Do not be doubtful, that “I am not qualified, so I cannot serve. My service will not be accepted.”\nNo. Sa karmaṇā tama vācā. In the Bhagavad-gītā also it is said that whatever qualification and whatever asset you have got, just immediately engage to Kṛṣṇa’s service. And whatever you do, little, that is your asset. Vigata-viklava īśvarasya mahi: “So let me glorify.”\nWe started this Back to Godhead so that our students may write in this paper whatever realization he has got. It doesn’t matter. I have sent therefore one article written by Vīrabhadra, you see, for publication here. One must express his feelings of service. Actually I have started this Back to Godhead for this purpose. Not that I want to discuss huge, complicated philosophical thesis. We don’t care for that.\nOne must express how he is feeling, or being employed, in the service of the Lord, without any doubt. And as soon as one becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious, he becomes poetic also. That is another qualification. A Vaiṣṇava, a devotee, develops twenty-six kinds of qualification, simply by service of Kṛṣṇa. Out of that, one qualification is that he becomes poetic. So, maima amsa sarva pratatnena [Śrīdhara Svāmī commentary].\nSo we simply… If we simply try to explain how Kṛṣṇa is great, how God is great, that is sufficient service. That is complete service: śravaṇaṁ kīrtana. If you simply go to the people, “Oh, you are denying God. Don’t do this. God is very great. God is supplying you food. God has created this world. God is feeding everyone,” simply these two things we should speak to the people, by writing or speaking—you are rendering great service.\nWithout any education, without any qualification—you simply just… Actually this is the fact. This is the fact. Everything is property of Kṛṣṇa, of God. Everything is supplied by Kṛṣṇa. You are living at the cost of Kṛṣṇa. Your body is given by Kṛṣṇa. In this way, we simply chant and preach like this, we are rendering service. Is it very difficult? Anyone can do. There is no need of qualification—either go to Japan or Honolulu or this or that. Everyone is man; everywhere you can say this. So just engage yourself in Kṛṣṇa’s service. That is good for you.\nThat’s all. Thank you. [devotees offer obeisances]\nSo is it very difficult to be a preacher? You are going to be preacher, going to Japan? Do you think it is difficult? It is difficult? Simply say like this—you see—that “God is great.” Don’t be puffed up that you are great, you are all-powerful, you have got… Give up these foolish ideas. “God is great. He has created this world. He is giving you food; He has given you body.” Just simply try to convince them, these principles, and you become a preacher.\nSo is there any question? Just try to understand. This is our philosophy, Kṛṣṇa consciousness preaching. You don’t require any high type of philosophical speculation or this or this ism, that ism, that ism—no. Simple truth. That’s all. Just try to glorify the Supreme Lord, the great. That’s all. And whatever capacity you have got—not that you have to qualify yourself in this way.\nIt is very nice to preach Kṛṣṇa consciousness. When I was first in Boston, I was thinking on the ship that “I have come to preach here Kṛṣṇa consciousness. I see these people are so much addicted to so many nonsense things. How I shall convince them? What shall I tell them? [chuckles] How they will understand me? It is a complete different culture, complete different…” I was thinking like that.\n“Anyway, when Kṛṣṇa has sent me, let me try; otherwise I shall go back.” Yes. Actually I was thinking like that. I never thought that so many boys and girls will understand me and work with me. From the very beginning I was thinking that “It is impossible, because their mode of living, their mode of culture—everything is different. And I have brought Kṛṣṇa consciousness. I will have to say, ’You don’t take meat, you don’t take intoxication, don’t have illicit sex.’ How they will be able to do that?” I was thinking. But by Kṛṣṇa’s grace everything is possible. That is my practical experience.\nSo we have to work very sincerely, keeping our faith in Kṛṣṇa. Do this preaching work—it is not difficult—and be happy. And whatever service you render to Kṛṣṇa, that becomes your permanent asset, permanent bank balance, never to be spoiled. Such nice thing.\nIf you have any question, you can ask me, or chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Any question? No. Gaurasundara, you have no question? Govinda dāsī?",
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"content": "\n\nom ajñāna-timirāndhasya jñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena tasmai śrī-gurave-namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who with the torchlight of knowledge has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance.]\nśrī-caitanya-mano-'bhīṣṭaṁ sthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale\nsvayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ dadāti sva-padāntikam\n[When will Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet?]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devi praṇamāmi hari-priye\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\nSo Vyāsadeva is submitting himself to his spiritual master, Nārada Muni, that \"Yes, what you say is right, that I have tried to understand the Absolute Truth through your grace, and I have tried to explain also the Absolute Truth in so many books—Vedas, Purāṇas, Upaniṣads, Vedānta-sūtra—but still I am not happy. So what is the defect in me?\"\nSo nārada uvāca, Nārada replied,\nbhavatānudita-prāyaṁ\nyaśo bhagavato 'malam\nyenaivāsau na tuṣyeta\nmanye tad darśanaṁ khilam\n[SB 1.5.8]\n[Śrī Nārada said: You have not actually broadcast the sublime and spotless glories of the Personality of Godhead. That philosophy which does not satisfy the transcendental senses of the Lord is considered worthless.]\nThe whole scheme should be to satisfy the Lord. This is the secret of success. Tasmin tuṣṭe jagat tuṣṭam. If God, or Kṛṣṇa, is satisfied, then whole world is satisfied. The modern civilization is lacking this knowledge. Asuric civilization, demonic civilization, what to speak of satisfying God, they are denying the existence of God. And they want peace and happiness.\nI remember there was a speech by Archbishop of Canterbury. He said that \"You people, you want kingdom of God without God.\" That is our policy—Rāvaṇa's policy. Rāvaṇa's policy was kingdom of God without God. Kingdom of God means everyone is prosperous, happy in every respect. That is considered as kingdom of God so far materially considered. So Rāvaṇa wanted. He was materialistic. His capital was almost gold.\nEvery house was, I mean to say, wrapped with gold. Svarṇa-laṅkā. Svarṇa-laṅkā means at that time Rāvaṇa's kingdom, the Ceylon, modern Ceylon, was covered with gold everywhere. Very rich. Very, very rich. It is said that in Rāvaṇa's room, moon was rising. That means there was electricity at that time also, or similar lights. So the descriptions are very nice. It was very prosperous and rich country. And the policy was without God. Material civilization means like that, without God.\nSo the result was... What was the result? That everything became vanquished. Whole Rāvaṇa's kingdom with his family, with his everything, finished. Māre kṛṣṇa rākhe ke rākhe kṛṣṇa māre ke.\n[If Lord Kṛṣṇa protects a person, who can kill him? And if Kṛṣṇa desires to kill someone, who can protect him?]\nIf Kṛṣṇa protects, nobody can kill him, and if Kṛṣṇa kills, nobody can protect him. So Rāmacandra, Lord Rāmacandra, killed him. He was a great devotee of Lord Śiva, Rāvaṇa.\nGenerally, the demons are devotees of Brahmā, Śiva. Generally. They don't like Viṣṇu, because there is restriction. Viṣṇu worship does not mean unrestricted sense gratification. No. In other worship there is allowed. \"All right. You... Whatever you do.\"\nTherefore, generally, people do not take to Viṣṇu worship. Vaiṣṇava, you'll find very small number of men, they are really pure Vaiṣṇava. So Rāvaṇa was a great devotee of Lord Śiva, but when Rāmacandra, Lord Viṣṇu—Rāmacandra is also Viṣṇu—He wanted to kill him, Lord Śiva could not save him.\nThere are many stories about him, that when Rāvaṇa was on the actual battlefield, he was praying Lord Śiva. Generally, one who worships some demigod or somebody, he remembers. And Pārvatī, the wife of Lord Śiva, was insisting that \"Your devotee is in so great danger, and he is repeatedly calling you to help him. And why you are not going? You are sitting?\"\nThe Lord Śiva said, \"Now he is destined to die. Lord Rāmacandra has come to kill him. Nobody can save him.\" That is the fact. Rākhe kṛṣṇa māre ke māre kṛṣṇa rākhe ke. If Kṛṣṇa gives protection to somebody, nobody can kill him. And if Kṛṣṇa kills somebody, nobody can give him protection, whatever he may be.\nSo we are... Our business should be, the whole business should be, how to please the Supreme Lord. And in the Bhagavad-gītā there is a very simple formula how to please the Supreme Lord. Kṛṣṇa says,\nya idaṁ paramaṁ guhyaṁ\nmad-bhakteṣv abhidhāsyati\n[Bg. 18.68]\n[For one who explains the supreme secret to the devotees, devotional service is guaranteed, and at the end he will come back to Me.]\nna ca tasmān manuṣyeṣu\nkaścin me priya-kṛttamaḥ\n[Bg. 18.69]\n[There is no servant in this world more dear to Me than he, nor will there ever be one more dear.]\nKṛṣṇa said that \"A person who is taking the risk and trouble of preaching this confidential philosophy, Bhagavad-gītā, as it is...\" Paramaṁ guhyam, very confidential. Confidential means that the last instruction of Bhagavad-gītā, simply to surrender unto the Supreme, Kṛṣṇa, is not understandable by ordinary men. Even great scholars like Dr. Radhakrishnan, he denies.\nĀsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ\n[Bg. 7.15].\n[Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons, do not surrender unto Me.]\nOne who has taken the attitude of becoming a demonic, however learned he may be, māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ. His learning, his knowledge, has been taken away by māyā. And āsuraṁ bhāvam, na māṁ prapadyante. They will never surrender. This is the sign of demon. They will never surrender.\nThey will be killed, they will go to hell, they will accept all the thing, but still, if you ask him that \"You surrender to...\" \"No.\" That is demonic. Therefore one who surrenders to Kṛṣṇa, or God, is very fortunate. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 7.19].\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nOne who surrenders, he's not ordinary man. He is greater than all scholars, all philosophers, all yogīs, all karmīs. Topmost man, one who surrenders. Therefore it is very confidential. So our teaching, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, to present Bhagavad-gītā as it is, is a process of teaching people how to surrender to Kṛṣṇa, or God. That's all. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says this is a confidential... Nobody will accept. But one who takes the risk, \"Please, surrender...\"\nSo when you go to preach, you know the preachers are sometimes attacked. Just like Nityānanda Prabhu was attacked by Jagāi-Mādhāi. And when Lord Jesus Christ was crucified, killed... So a preacher has the risk. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, \"These field workers who are engaged in preaching this Bhagavad-gītā as it is, they are very, very dear to Me. Very, very dear to Me.\" Na ca tasmān manuṣyeṣu kaścin me priya-kṛttamaḥ [Bg. 18.69].\n[There is no servant in this world more dear to Me than he, nor will there ever be one more dear.]\n\"There is nobody dearer to Me than that person who preaches this confidential truth to the people.\"\nTherefore if we want to please Kṛṣṇa, we have to take this risk. Kṛṣṇa, guru. My spiritual master took this risk, preaching work, and he inspired us also to do that preaching work. And we are also imploring you to take this preaching work. So this preaching work, however, I mean to say..., I mean to say, poorly we do...\nPoorly—it is not poor, but suppose I am not very much educated. Just like this boy. If I send him for preaching work, he is not very educated now. He's not a philosopher. He's not a scholar. But he can also preach. He can also preach.\nBecause our preaching is not very difficult thing. If we go from door to door and simply request people, \"My dear sir, you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" And if he's little advanced, \"Please try to read Teachings of Lord Caitanya. It is very nice. You'll be benefited,\" these three, four words will make you a preacher.\nIs it very difficult task? [chuckles] You may not be very learned, very good scholar, very good philosopher. You simply say..., go, and door to door: \"My dear sir, you are very learned man. For the time being, you stop your learning. Simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.\"\nJust like Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī did. He said, dante nidhāya tṛṇakaṁ padayor nipatya [Caitanya-candrāmṛta].\n[Taking a straw between my teeth and falling at your feet a hundred times, I humbly submit, \"O great personality, please give up all mundane knowledge that you have learned and just submit yourself at the lotus feet of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu.\"]\nThe preaching method he is teaching. Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī, he was a great devotee of Lord Caitanya. He wrote one book, Caitanya-candrāmṛta, \"The Moonlight of Lord Caitanya,\" in Sanskrit. He belonged to southern India. And his nephew became one of the Gosvāmīs. When Lord Caitanya was staying at his home, he was at that time householder. Later on he took sannyāsa and became Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī.\nAt that time Gopāla Bhaṭṭa... Actually, their family title was Bhaṭṭa, Bhaṭṭācārya. Bhaṭṭācārya is given title to the very learned brāhmaṇa. Cakravartī, Bhaṭṭācārya—these are brāhmaṇa's title who are very learned, very influential. So Bhaṭṭācārya. So at that time Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī was little boy. So Lord Caitanya stayed with this Veṅkaṭa, Veṅkaṭanātha. His name was Veṅkaṭa. Later on he became Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī.\nSo that boy became influenced, and he wanted to go with Lord Caitanya. He was sannyāsī. He was traveling. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu advised him that \"Your father and mother are still living. So you can come to Me later on.\"\nHe was boy, only sixteen years old. So this boy, Gopāla Bhaṭṭa, he, after the death of his father and mother, he went to Lord Caitanya, and He accepted him. And He handed over in charge of Rūpa Gosvāmī, that \"You treat this boy as your younger brother.\" And he also became one of the six Gosvāmīs.\nThe six Gosvāmīs... Rūpa Gosvāmī is the..., is the head actually. But Sanātana Gosvāmī, being his elder brother, he was treating him as his spiritual master. So Rūpa Gosvāmī, Sanātana Gosvāmī and Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī and Raghunātha Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī and Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī and Jīva Gosvāmī.\nThese six Gosvāmīs, they have given immense literature. And all of them established one temple in Vṛndāvana. You have seen, Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja, the Rādhā-Ramaṇa temple. Rādhā-Ramaṇa temple, that is Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī's.\nSo that Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī [is] teaching us how to preach. In this age, simply by fighting, argument, it is very difficult to preach. Better to become humble and meek. Just like Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī is teaching us: dante nidhāya tṛṇakam. In India there is a system to become humble.\nIf you take one blade of grass in your..., between your lips and approach somebody, it is to be understood that you are approaching with great humbleness. Therefore he said, dante nidhāya tṛṇakam. Tṛṇakam means blade of grass. Dante means teeth. Padayor nipatya: \"And falling down on your feet.\"\nKāku-śataṁ kṛtvā: \"And flattering you hundred times, 'My dear sir, you are so great. You are so big. You are so learned. You are so rich. You are so beautiful,' and everything,\" although he may be not.\nSo dante nidhāya tṛṇakaṁ padayor nipatya kāku-śataṁ kṛtvā ca. Śatam. Śatam means \"Hundred times flattering, I have come to you to say something.\" \"Why you are so humble? What is the... What do you want to talk? \" \"No, I am...\"\nHe sādhavaḥ. \"You are very religious man. You are very upright man, sādhavaḥ. Very honest man, saintly man. Yes. But I request you that whatever you learned, please forget. That is my request.\"\nSakalam eva vihāya dūrād caitanya-candra-caraṇe kurutānurāgam. \"You just try to submit yourself on the lotus feet of Lord Caitanya. By His mercy you'll find that,\" kaivalyaṁ narakāyate, \"you'll find that to become one with the Supreme, it will appear to you just like hell.\"\nTo merge into the Supreme, that is the highest ambition of the impersonalist. But if you submit yourself to the lotus feet of Caitanya-candra, then you'll find that this conception is just like hell. Kaivalyaṁ narakāyate. Naraka means hell. You'll find kaivalyam, to become one.\nAnd tridaśa-pūrākāśa-puṣpāyate. Tri-daśa-pūra means the planets, higher planets where demigods live. Thirty-three million demigods, there are at least thirty-three million planets. Tri-daśa-pūrākāśa-puṣpāyate. They are just like phantasmagoria. The exact analogy of phantasma..., equivalent word in Sanskrit of phantasmagoria, \"which has no actual existence,\" is called ākāśa-puṣpa, \"flower of the sky.\"\nThere is no flower in the sky, but you can say. Or in common Bengali words, \"eggs of the horse.\" Now, horse never gives eggs, but there are words like that. [chuckles] Just like Vivekananda has manufactured: daridra-nārāyaṇa. How Nārāyaṇa can be daridra? So it is something like horse eggs. You see?\nSo these words are very... Tri-daśa-pūrākāśa-puṣpāyate. By the grace of Lord Caitanya you'll find to merge into the effulgence, to become one with the Supreme, will be considered as hell, actually. If you ask any pure devotee, \"Do you want to merge into the existence, impersonal Brahman?\" he'll deny. If he has got little Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he'll deny, that \"What is this merging? This is hellish. We want to dance with Kṛṣṇa. Why shall I merge and lose my existence, individuality?\"\nAnd karmīs, they are trying to be elevated in the higher planets. Just like they are trying to go to the higher planets by sputniks, similarly, there are ritualistic ceremony. Yānti deva-vratā devān [Bg. 9.25].\n[Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live with Me.]\nBy performing all the ritualistic ceremonies, sacrifices, you can elevate yourself to the higher planet: yānti deva-vratā devān. That is another method. And this method also, another method, they want to go direct by machine. But that tendency is there everywhere, that \"We may go to this sun planet, moon planet, this planet.\"\nBut Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī, he says, [chuckling] \"Oh, you are trying to go to other, higher planets by your karma, by his work? Oh, this is just like horse egg. Huh? Why should you bother yourself?\" Horse egg means it has no substance. As like there is no existence of horse egg, similarly, even if you attain that higher planetary system, what do you gain by that? You don't gain anything, because the four principles of material existence will continue there also.\nBirth, death, old age and disease, you cannot stop. You may live for a greater period—that is possible in higher planets. But if you are simply satisfied only by living a bigger span of life, is that very success? Just stop death. That is success. To become very strong in body, that is not success.\nBut either you become strong and weak, you have to die. There is no, I mean to say, excuse, because you are a strong man you will not die. Or because you are rich man you will not die. Because you are... No. Therefore Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī says it is just like ākāśa-puṣpa, phantasmagoria.\nSo this is karmī, jñānī. Jñānī wants to merge, and karmī wants higher level, higher standard of life. That is karmī's business. Karmīs give in charity just to acquire pious result out of it, so that after death he can be elevated to the Svargaloka, heavenly planet.\nSo Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī says, \"But by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa, by the mercy of Lord Caitanya, this ambition to be elevated in higher planetary system will appear to be as phantasmagoria.\" Ākāśa-puṣpāyate. And this is karmīs' ambition, the jñānīs' ambition.\nThen yogīs. The yogīs' ambition is siddhi, or eight kinds of success. A yogī can become lighter than the cotton swab. He can become smaller than the atom. Aṇimā, laghimā, prāpti, siddhi, īśitā, vaśitā. There are so many yogic perfection. And that is, of course, perfection. Nobody... It is not very easily gone to that perfectional stage. Generally, people try by practicing yoga to control the senses and the mind. That is general practice.\nSo Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī says that durdānta indriya-kāla-sarpa-paṭalī protkhāta-daṁṣṭrāyate. Why you should be afraid of your senses? Why you are so much busy to try to control the senses? The senses become... How? Why not controlled? He says that senses are just like serpents. Durdānta indriya-kāla-sarpa-paṭalī.\nThese senses are just like snakes. Snakes are always dangerous, because as soon as he touches like this, immediately death. Poisonous snake. You cannot distinguish who is not poisonous. Therefore snake is always horrible. Just like the other day you found out one snake in the brahmacārīs' house.\nSo Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī says, \"Yes, snake is very fierce and horrible. But if you know that the snake has no poison, his poison teeth has been broken...\" Snake has also use for human being. There are expert snake charmer who take the snake and take out the poisonous teeth, and that poison is used for so many medicinal purpose. So poison is also used for human benefit if one knows.\nSo Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī, he said these indriyas, the senses, are just like snakes. Our senses are acting just like snakes. It is, as soon as it touches, there is some danger. Sense gratification means you are creating some danger, some future danger. That's all. We should always remember.\nAll our troubles and miseries are due to sense gratification. They are always troublesome. The yoga system means yoga indriya-saṁyama. Yoga means controlling the senses. That is the first principle.\nSo Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī said that \"Yes, it is admitted that the senses are just like snakes. But if you break the poisonous teeth, then there is no danger. There is no... They have no more fears.\" A snake without poison, a child may be afraid of, \"There is a snake.\"\nBut if a man knows that \"This snake is here, but there is no poisonous teeth, it is broken,\" then there is no question of fearfulness. Otherwise, it is ordinary, insignificant..., just like reptile, something, or worm, or microbes.\nSo he said... So that means he answers to the jñānīs, to the yogīs, to the karmīs: durdānta indriya-kāla-sarpa-paṭalī protkhāta. Protkhāta, extracted. The teeth is extracted. Protkhāta. Protkhāta. Daṁṣṭrāyate. Daṁṣṭra means teeth. Taken away. So there is no cause of...\nDurdānta indriya-kāla-sarpa-paṭalī protkhāta-daṁṣṭrāyate viśvaṁ pūrṇa-sukhāyate. Everyone is facing the problem of material world, so many problems. But if you take shelter of Lord Caitanya, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness... Lord Caitanya means Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa-varṇaṁ tviṣākṛṣṇam [SB 11.5.32].\n[In the Age of Kali, intelligent persons perform congregational chanting to worship the incarnation of Godhead who constantly sings the names of Kṛṣṇa. Although His complexion is not blackish, He is Kṛṣṇa Himself. He is accompanied by His associates, servants, weapons and confidential companions.]\nLord Caitanya means Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then viśvaṁ pūrṇa, you'll find there is no problem. The world is very happy place. A devotee finds a very nice place. Just like here in New Vrindaban, those who are karmīs, oh, they'll find, \"Oh, it is a nonsense place.\" You see? \"There is no amenities, modern amenities. There is so much trouble. There is no nice bathroom. There is no water supply.\" But devotees, they are finding, \"Oh, it is very nice place.\"\nSo just you... Similarly, widely you take, all the karmīs, they are faced with so many problems. But a devotee, those who have taken to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they have no problem. Viśvaṁ pūrṇa-sukhāyate. And vidhi-mahendrādiś ca kīṭāyate. And for them, all these big, big men may be very big to others, but for the devotees they're just like worms and germs and ordinary flies.\nJust like we sometimes criticize big men. Hmm? So on what strength? That strength is because we have taken shelter of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Otherwise, any ordinary man can criticize. Just like the Consulate General in San Francisco, he was speaking to me that \"Swāmījī, you have called Maharishi rascal?\" \"Yes. Yes. I may have called. What is that?\" So the people..., a man who is worshiped by so many people we call rascal? On what strength? The strength is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nWe can prove that he is rascal. I am not speaking; Kṛṣṇa is speaking. Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ [Bg. 7.15]. \n[Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons, do not surrender unto Me.]\nMūḍha means rascal. So I am repeating Kṛṣṇa's word. Anyone who does not surrender unto Kṛṣṇa, he is rascal. So we can quote from Bhagavad-gītā. If somebody brings case against us, so we can freely say that \"I am not speaking. It is said in the Bhagavad-gītā. You just bring libel case against Bhagavad-gītā. Why you are troubling me?\" [laughter]\nBhagavad-gītā says anyone who does not surrender to Kṛṣṇa... Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ mām... Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ: he's not only rascal, he's the lowest of the mankind. And if you say, \"Oh, he is very learned scholar.\" Oh, māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ [Bg. 7.15]: his knowledge has been taken away by māyā. Āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ. Simply he's defying God. Kṛṣṇa means God. \"I am God,\" that is asuric.\nSo for a devotee, there is no need of controlling senses. It automatically becomes controlled. Just like we have taken the vow we are not going to eat anything except kṛṣṇa-prasāda. Oh, the sense is already controlled. There is no question of asking a devotee, \"You don't drink, don't this, don't this, don't this.\"\nSo many don'ts. Simply by accepting kṛṣṇa-prasādam, all don'ts there, already there. And it becomes very easier. Others, if one is requested that \"You don't smoke,\" it will be very difficult job for him. For a devotee, he can give up at any moment. He has no problem.\nTherefore the same example, that these senses are very strong undoubtedly, as strong as the snake. But if you break the poison teeth, the poison teeth, then it is no more fierceful. Similarly, if you engage your senses in Kṛṣṇa, no more controlling; it is already controlled. Protkhāta-daṁṣṭrāyate viśvaṁ pūrṇa-sukhāyate. [Caitanya-candrāmṛta 5]:\n[For a devotee, the pleasure of merging into the existence of Brahman is considered hellish. Similarly, he considers promotion to heavenly planets just another kind of phantasmagoria. The yogīs meditate for sense control, but for the devotee the senses appear like serpents with broken teeth. The whole material world appears joyful for a devotee, and even great personalities like Lord Brahmā and Lord Indra are considered no better than insects. Such is the position of a devotee who has received but a small glance of the mercy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Unto this most magnanimous personality I offer my respectful obeisances.]\nAnd the whole world is problem for ordinary persons, but to us it is not problem. Because we see everything Kṛṣṇa's. If there is problem, it is Kṛṣṇa's problem. Why my problem? Kṛṣṇa can know how to solve problem. So we have no problem practically. Kṛṣṇa's problem. Kṛṣṇa will see to it. Just like Arjuna was, I mean to say, encouraged that nimitta-mātraṁ bhava savyasācin [Bg. 11.33]\n[Therefore get up and prepare to fight. After conquering your enemies you will enjoy a flourishing kingdom. They are already put to death by My arrangement, and you, O Savyasācin, can be but an instmment in the fight.]\n\"You don't worry about your victory. I have already arranged.\" So we should have such faith and conviction and let us try. Let us do very sincerely and seriously. Then everything Kṛṣṇa will do. I haven't got to do anything.\nJust like our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, it is improving. Kṛṣṇa giving us all facilities. We have no power, but we are trying to discharge the duty sincerely. Then it is everything. There is no problem. Viśvaṁ pūrṇa-sukhāyate. And vidhi-mahendrādiś ca kīṭāyate. And when a person is fully Kṛṣṇa conscious, he knows what is what.\nHe knows what this learned scholar is. He knows what is this. Vidhi-mahendra. What to speak of ordinary scholars and big men, vidhi... Vidhi means Lord Brahmā, and mahendra means the king of heaven. So they are also treated as ordinary human being or ordinary living entities. They are not given any importance. \"Well, as...\"\nĀbrahma-bhuvana-stham. Ābrahma. For a devotee, as Brahmā is also living entity, a small ant is also living entity, all Kṛṣṇa's parts and parcels; they have no quarrel with anybody. As Kṛṣṇa's part and parcel, we offer respect to everyone.\nSo not that they are amazed with the greatness of a living entity. He thinks that his greatness is due to Kṛṣṇa's favor. Because Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, yad yad vibhūtimat sattvaṁ tat tad eva mama tejo 'ṁśa-sambhavam [Bg. 10.41].\n[Know that all beautiful, glorious, and mighty creations spring from but a spark of My splendor.]\nNobody can become great unless... Just like the sunshine. The sunshine, what is the sunshine? It is simply a partial reflection of Kṛṣṇa's brahma-jyotir. Similarly anyone who is great in the estimation of this material world, there is some Kṛṣṇa's favor. That's all. Yad yad vibhūtimat sattvaṁ tat tad eva mama tejo 'ṁśa-sambhavam.\nJust like in the Brahma-saṁhitā, we are giving respect to all the demigods. We are giving respect to Lord Śiva, we are giving respect to Durgā, we are giving respect to Gaṇeśa, we are giving respect to the sun-god. They are very big demigods, Lord Śiva or Durgā, Gaṇeśa and Brahmā and...\nWe don't disrespect. We give respect even to the ant; why not to Lord Śiva or Lord Brahmā? They should have their due respect. But that does not mean we consider them as the Supreme Lord. That is the mistake of the karmīs and the impersonalists. No. We know that nobody can be greater than or equal to Kṛṣṇa, or viṣṇu-tattva, Nārāyaṇa.\nyas tu nārāyaṇaṁ devaṁ\nbrahma-rudrādi-daivataiḥ\nsamatvenaiva vīkṣeta\nsa pāṣaṇḍī bhaved dhruvam\n[Cc. Madhya 18.116]\n[“’A person who considers demigods like Brahmā and Śiva to be on an equal level with Nārāyaṇa is to be considered an offender, or pāṣaṇḍī.’”]\nIt is said in the Vaiṣṇava Tantra that anyone who, I mean to say, considers on the equal level Nārāyaṇa with such great demigods like Brahmā and Śiva, brahma-rudrādi-daivataiḥ, such big demigods, sa pāṣaṇḍī bhaved dhruvam. He becomes pāṣaṇḍī. \nPāṣaṇḍī means atheist. Atheist will compare that the Supreme Lord and other demigods are on the equal footing. No. They are never. Nobody can be greater or equal with the Supreme Lord. Therefore, vidhi-mahendrādiś ca kīṭāyate...\nviśvaṁ pūrṇa-sukhāyate vidhi-mahendrādiś ca kīṭāyate\nyat kāruṇya-katākṣa-vaibhavavatāṁ taṁ gauram eva stumaḥ\n[Caitanya-candrāmṛta 5]\n[For a devotee, the pleasure of merging into the existence of Brahman is considered hellish. Similarly, he considers promotion to heavenly planets just another kind of phantasmagoria. The yogīs meditate for sense control, but for the devotee the senses appear like serpents with broken teeth. The whole material world appears joyful for a devotee, and even great personalities like Lord Brahmā and Lord Indra are considered no better than insects. Such is the position of a devotee who has received but a small glance of the mercy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Unto this most magnanimous personality I offer my respectful obeisances.]\nThese things happen simply by little merciful glance by Lord Caitanya upon us. Simply if Lord Caitanya approves our activity, \"Well, this man is doing nice,\" oh, then you get all the success. Simply if He approves. Yat kāruṇya-katākṣa-vaibhavavatāṁ taṁ gauram eva stumaḥ.\nTherefore our point was how to please the Supreme Lord. This is the way. If you want to please Kṛṣṇa, you spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the point Nārada is pointing out to Vyāsadeva, yathā dharmādayaś cārthā muni-varyānukīrtitāḥ. Muni-varya. Muni-varya means he was the greatest of all thoughtful men. Muni. Muni means those who are thoughtful, and varya means the greatest.\nSo he says, yathā dharmādayaś cārthā muni-varyānukīrtitāḥ: \"As you have described in all the Vedas and Upaniṣads about religiosity or economic development or the procedure of sense gratification or merging into the Supreme, in that way you have not described the glories of the Lord. You have given more importance to the material activities.\"\nJust like in the Vedas there are ritualistic ceremony of performing great sacrifices. What is the meaning of that sacrifice? That means you get a very opulent position in your next life or in this life. So people are attached to such thing. Veda-vāda-ratāḥ pārtha nānyad astīti vādinaḥ [Bg. 2.42], Bhagavad-gītā, you'll find.\n[Men of small knowledge are very much attached to the flowery words of the Vedas, which recommend various fruitive activities for elevation to heavenly planets, resultant good birth, power, and so forth. Being desirous of sense gratification and opulent life, they say that there is nothing more than this.]\nPeople are very much attracted by these ritualistic ceremony. Not only the followers of the Vedas; in every religion, if you perform some ritualistic ceremony, oh, they are very much attracted. And if you simply say, \"Let us chant Hare Kṛṣṇa,\" they will not be very much attracted.\nSo veda-vāda-ratāḥ pārtha nānyad astīti vādinaḥ. So we should not be like that. Our business is how to glorify the Supreme Lord, how to glorify Kṛṣṇa. Then all success is there. That will be instructed by and by, by Nārada Muni to Vyāsadeva.\nyathā dharmādayaś cārthā\nmuni-varyānukīrtitaḥ\ntathā vāsudevasya\nmahimā hy anuvarṇitaḥ\n[SB 1.5.9]\n[Although, great sage, you have very broadly described the four principles beginning with religious performances, you have not described to such an extent the glories of the Supreme Personality, Vāsudeva.]\nNa tathā. Na tathā vāsudevasya mahimā hy anuvarṇitaḥ. \"You have taken much trouble about these ritualistic performances in the Vedas and other literatures, but you have not taken much trouble to describe the glories of Vāsudeva.\" Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19].\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\n\"Although in the Bhagavad-gītā you have seen that everything is Vāsudeva...,\" vāsudeva-parā makhāḥ vāsudeva-paraṁ jñānam [SB 1.2.28],\n[In the revealed scriptures, the ultimate object of knowledge is Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of Godhead. The purpose of performing sacrifice is to please Him. Yoga is for realizing Him. All fruitive activities are ultimately rewarded by Him only. He is supreme knowledge, and all severe austerities are performed to know Him. Religion [dharma] is rendering loving service unto Him. He is the supreme goal of life.]\n\"But still you have not described about..., much about Vāsudeva.\" Na tathā vāsudevasya mahimā hy anuvarṇitaḥ. \"You have not described very nicely about the glories of Vāsudeva.\"\nAll right. [end]",
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"content": "\n These four things, namely birth, death, old age and disease, will accompany you. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that mad-dhāma gatvā punar janma na vidyate [Bg 8.16]\n[From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kuntī, never takes birth again.]\n\"If you reach My abode in the spiritual sky, then you'll have no more birth.\"\nSo this male-female question is everywhere. The only difference is that in spiritual world there is no need of sex life, or there is no impelling sex life, although there is attraction between man and woman. That is... Just like Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa. There is attraction of Rādhā for Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa for Rādhā, but there is no sex life.\nSo male-female, conception of male-female as we have got here, there is concomitant factor of sex life, but that should not be exported to the spiritual world, that idea. There is also male-female, but there is no sex life attraction. That's all right. Yes?",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, I read in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam in the purport to the [indistinct] ...ślokas... And I saw in another book about sambandha, abhidheya, [indistinct]. Could you explain that? [break]",
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"content": "\n\ntataś cānu-dinaṁ dharmaḥ\nsatyaṁ śaucaṁ kṣamā dayā\nkālena balinā rājan\nnaṅkṣyaty āyur balaṁ smṛtiḥ\n[SB 12.2.1]\n[Śukadeva Gosvāmī said: Then, O King, religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy, duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day by day because of the powerful influence of the Age of Kali.]\nToday we shall discuss about the prominent symptom of this age. This book, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, was written... Not written; practically it was recorded. All Vedic literature, they are recorded from hearing, or tradition of...\n[break] ... five thousand years before, the statements of authorities, people could keep in mind without any book record. At that time the memory was so sharp that one could keep in his memory simply by once hearing from the spiritual master. There was no need of written book to consult.\nSo five thousand years ago this book was recorded by Vyāsadeva because he could understand that in future people will be born of so lower grade that it would be not possible to keep in memory without book record. So formerly, these books were written in hand on palm leaves, and... Because there was no press or type. So if you wanted a book, you had to copy from other's book. That was the system.\nSo the point is that five thousand years ago, the things which were written for this age, how they are coming to be true in our experience. That is the point: how they could see past, present and future so nicely. The sages were known as tri-kāla-jñā. Tri means three. There is almost similarity, tri and \"three.\"\nTri is Sanskrit, and three is English, or Latin, but there is similarity. Tri-kāla-jñā. Tri means three, and kāla means time. Time is experienced by three ways: past, present and future. Time limitation, past, present and... Whenever you speak of time, it is past, present or future.\nSo the sages in those days were tri-kāla-jñā. Tri-kāla-jñā means they could understand, they could know what was in the past, what there shall be in the future and what is at present. Just like in the Bhagavad-gītā Kṛṣṇa says, \"My dear Arjuna, you, Me, I, and all these kings and soldiers who have assembled in this battlefield, they were all individuals, and we are still individual. And in this past, in the future, we shall all remain individual.\" That past, present and future, he explained. Another place Kṛṣṇa says, vedāhaṁ samatītāni [Bg. 7.26]. \n[O Arjuna, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, I know everything that has happened in the past, all that is happening in the present, and all things that are yet to come. I also know all living entities; but Me no one knows.]\nAtītāni, atītāni means past. Vartamānāni ca, \"and present.\" So that is yogic power. One can know past, present and future.\nSo here Śukadeva Gosvāmī is speaking about this Kali-yuga. The Kali-yuga means the fourth age. There are four different kinds of ages: Satya-yuga, Tretā-yuga, Dvāpara-yuga and Kali-yuga. Just like there are six seasons, or four seasons in a year, similarly, in one day of Brahmā there are one hundred cycles of four yugas.\nFour yugas means forty-three thousand..., forty-three hundred thousands of years. It is a very long period. That is the duration of four yugas. Similarly, one thousand yugas passes, then one day of Brahmā finished, twelve hours. It is a big calculation. Anyway, there are four yuga: this Satya-yuga, Dvāpara-yuga, Tretā-yuga and Kali-yuga.\nSo in the previous chapter, some description of these yugas have been described. Now here, in this chapter... This is Second Chapter of Twelfth Canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Śukadeva Gosvāmī is describing,\ntataś cānu-dinaṁ dharmaḥ\nsatyaṁ śaucaṁ kṣamā dayā\nkālena balinā rājan\nnaṅkṣyaty āyur balaṁ smṛtiḥ\n[SB 12.2.1]\n[Śukadeva Gosvāmī said: Then, O King, religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy, duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day by day because of the powerful influence of the Age of Kali.]\n\"My dear King...\" Śukadeva Gosvāmī was speaking to Mahārāja Parīkṣit, who was emperor of this planet. Mahārāja Parīkṣit. And he was cursed by a brāhmaṇa that he should die within seven days. So he was utilizing the seven days by hearing Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nSo he's explaining, \"My dear King, as the days of Kali-yuga will make progress...\" Make progress means we have passed only 5,000 years of this Kali-yuga. The total duration of Kali-yuga is 432,000's of years. Out of that, we have passed only 5,000's of years.\nI think in the world history there is no..., nobody can place records of 5,000 years. At most, the historians can present history of 3,000 years. That's all. So Kali-yuga has begun prehistoric age. And before that, what was there in the history nobody can say. But in the Vedic literatures everything is there. You believe or not believe, that is a different thing.\nNow here, Śukadeva Gosvāmī says, tataś ca anudinam. Anudinam means \"as the days will pass.\" Then what will be the symptoms? Now, naṅkṣyaty. Naṅkṣyaty means gradually diminish, will diminish. What will diminish? Now, dharmaḥ, religiosity; satyam, truthfulness; śaucam, cleanliness; kṣamā, forgiveness; dayā, mercifulness; āyuḥ, duration of life; bala, strength; and smṛtiḥ, memory. These eight items, just try to know.\nFirst thing is religiosity. As the age of Kali will make progress, people will become more and more irreligious. And they will become more and more liars. They'll forget to speak what is true. Śaucam, cleanliness, that will also diminish. Cleanliness is required. Bahyābhyantaraḥ-śuciḥ. If one is to advance, he has to clean himself.\nAccording to Vedic civilization, one has to take bath thrice daily. Actually, in India they take. In your country I was also taking twice bath till I was attacked last year. So I thought that in this country, twice taking bath is not possible, so I am taking once now. But India, there are many gentlemen, high class gentlemen, they take bath thrice. Morning, and before lunch, and in the evening. Especially the brāhmaṇas.\nSo cleanliness is next to godliness. To take bath, to evacuate daily, to wash the teeth, wash clothings, this cleanliness process. But as the days of this Kali-yuga will make progress, this system of hygienic cleanliness, cleanliness both inside and outside... Outside by taking bath, inside by becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious—two kinds of cleanliness. Simply if we take bath with soap outside, and inside all rubbish thing, that is not cleanliness. Cleanliness means bahyābhyantaraḥ. Bahya means outside, without; abhyantara means inside.\nUnless we are clean, unless we are pure, how we can make advance to approach the Supreme? The Supreme is described as the purest. In the Bhagavad-gītā Arjuna says, paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān [Bg. 10.12]:\n[Arjuna said: You are the Supreme Brahman, the ultimate, the supreme abode and purifier, the Absolute Truth and the eternal divine person. You are the primal God, transcendental and original, and You are the unborn and all-pervading beauty. All the great sages such as Nārada, Asita, Devala, and Vyāsa proclaim this of You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me.]\n\"My dear Kṛṣṇa, You are the Supreme Lord, Brahman.\" And pavitraṁ paramam: \"You are supreme pure.\" There is no impurity. Impurity means material contamination, and purity means spiritual life. So this cleanliness inside and outside, that will also decrease. Just know.\nFirst decreasing—religiosity. People will become irreligious, and they will forget what is telling truth. They will be accustomed to speak lie. And śaucam, no cleanliness. And kṣamā. Kṣamā means forgiveness. Suppose I have done some wrong...\n[break] ...but there is no forgiveness. Kṣamā-rūpaṁ tapasvinaḥ, people is advised, especially those who are following penance and austerity, yogic principle or devotional life, they should learn to excuse. In our dealings, there are so many faulty dealings between ourselves. So if we take everything very seriously, then it is very difficult to live. So kṣamā. But that kṣamā—kṣamā means forgiveness—will reduce. Nobody will forgive. Retaliation, vengeance, that will increase. So four items: religiosity, truthfulness, cleanliness and forgiveness. Four.\nThen dayā. Dayā means mercy. What is dayā? Who is, I mean to say, less strong. Just like animals, birds, beast, you should be very merciful. Just like children: you should be very merciful to children. According to Vedic injunction, children, women, brāhmaṇas, old men and cow. How many? Children, women, brāhmaṇa, cow..., and what else?",
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"content": "\n Old men. Yes. These five items, according to Manu-saṁhitā, or Hindu law, they have no offense. They have no offense. They cannot be criminally prosecuted, are excused. If a brāhmaṇa has committed some fault or a woman has committed some fault or a child has committed some fault or a cow has transgressed the law, oh, there is no punishment for them. Dayā. They should be shown always mercy. They require protection, especially. These five items have been especially enjoined that they should be given protection. That is required in human civilization.\nCow protection is very important. Women's protection is very important. Brāhmaṇa's protection is very important. Children's protection is very important. Of course, nowadays there is protection for children, of course, from the state. But that is also artificial. There is killing process also. So many children in the womb are killed. But according to Vedic civilization, they are greatest offense. So dayā. Dayā means you should show your mercifulness those who are weak. So this will reduce, dayā.\nAnd āyuḥ, duration of life. Duration of life. In the Satya-yuga the duration of life was 100,000's of years. A man used to live for 100,000's of years. Then in the Tretā-yuga it reduced ten times. They used to live for 10,000 years. Then in Dvāpara-yuga it reduced again ten times; they used to live for 1,000 years. And now, in the Kali-yuga, the duration of life is prescribed as one hundred years. But you see that it is reducing.\nEveryone may note it. Perhaps your grandfather lived for hundred years. Your father lived for eighty years. And nowadays, sixty or seventy years. Gradually, it will so reduce, we shall come to that statement that if a man lives from twenty to thirty years he will be considered a very grand old man. If he lives for twenty to thirty years he'll be considered, \"Oh, you have got very good life.\" That will come, gradually.\nThis is the progressive age. Progressive age for material civilization. We are proud of making advancement of our civilization, but these nice thing are being reduced. That means... We are advancing means reducing the nice things. This is advanced. Āyuḥ and smṛtiḥ. Smṛtiḥ means memory. So these eight items will reduce gradually. You can keep it noted, and you'll see how they are being reduced. And we have already experienced. Smṛtiḥ.\nThen next description is,\nvittam eva kalau nṝṇāṁ\njanmācāra-guṇodayaḥ\ndharma-nyāya-vyavasthāyāṁ\nkāraṇaṁ balam eva hi\n[SB 12.2.2]\n[In Kali-yuga, wealth alone will be considered the sign of a man's good birth, proper behavior and fine qualities. And law and justice will be applied only on the basis of one's power.]\nAnother symptom is how a man is respectable. He says, Śukadeva Gosvāmī says, vittam eva kalau nṝṇām. Vittam means money. If you have got money, some way or other, whatever you may be, you are very respected. Janmācāra-guṇodayaḥ. Formerly a man was respectable by his birth in a respectable family and by his behavior.\nJust like a brāhmaṇa. A brāhmaṇa was respected because his behavior was so nice. He was truthful, he was clean, he was man of knowledge, he was faithful in scriptures, and so many qualification. Therefore he was respected. So here it is said that janma, birth in a good family or high family, or good behavior. Janmācāra. Janmācāra, and guṇa, quality. Suppose a man is a great philosopher, a great learned scholar. That is a very good qualification.\nSo these things will not be considered. If a man is very learned scholar or coming of a very respectable family and has got all good qualities, that will be neglected. Another man, if he has all the bad qualities but he has got money, he's respected. He'll be respected. This is the symptom of this age.\nAnd dharma-nyāya-vyavasthāyāṁ kāraṇaṁ balam eva hi\n[SB 12.2.2]. \n[In Kali-yuga, wealth alone will be considered the sign of a man's good birth, proper behavior and fine qualities. And law and justice will be applied only on the basis of one's power.]\nDharma. Dharma means suppose you have acted something irreligious. In every religion, in every scripture, there are many things, you do it and do not do it. So that is called following the religious principle. In every religion, either Hindu or Christian or Muhammadan, there are some rules and regulation. Just like in Muhammadan religion, drinking is greatest sin. And in Hindu religion, flesh eating, especially cow's meat, is greatest sin. So these are religious principle. So dharma-nyāya-vyavasthāyām.\nSo there are some rules and regulation according to different types of religion. So how they will be settled? Kāraṇaṁ balam eva hi: by might. If one has... \"Might is right.\" That \"Might is right.\" There is no reason. \"Why you are doing against religious principle?\" If I ask, if you are powerful, stronger than me, you'll say, \"Yes! I can do that. What is that? What for you? What is that to you?\" So balam eva hi. If anyone is powerful in power, oh, he can act against the rules and regulation of religious or scriptural injunctions. Nobody can protest. Dharma-nyāya-vyavasthāyāṁ kāraṇaṁ balam eva hi. \nDāmpatye abhirucir hetur māyaiva vyāvahārike [SB 12.2.3]. Dāmpatye. \n[Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction, and success in business will depend on deceit. Womanliness and manliness will be judged according to one's expertise in sex, and a man will be known as a brāhmaṇa just by his wearing a thread.]\nDāmpatye means making husband and wife relationship. Abhiruciḥ. Abhiruciḥ means liking. A boy likes another girl, and the girl likes another boy. That's finished. Let them become husband and wife. Formerly, it was not. Formerly, according to Vedic civilization, there was no liking of the boy or the girl. The parents of the boy and the girl, they would see, \"Whether this combination will be happy.\"\nThey will bring horoscope and calculate astronomically, \"What is the symptoms of this boy? What is the symptoms of this girl? Whether they will be peaceful in married life?\" They calculated, and the parents would see in what kind of family the girl is born, and what kind of boy, the family he's born. So many things. If they do not agree, the parents of the girl and the boy, then there is no marriage.\nStill, in India... At least, I was also married, and some of my children, they are also married. But this system in India is still followed. The parents, they select the suitable boy and the suitable girl. The primary aim is that they may live very peacefully; there may not be unnecessarily disturbance in their family life. That was the aim.\nBut in the Kali-yuga it is said dāmpatye, selection of husband and wife, will depend on agreement. That's all. \"I like you; you like me.\" That's all. Finished. Dāmpatye abhirucir hetuḥ. Abhiruciḥ. Because the boy likes the girl. And suppose the parents do not like? That will be [indistinct], \"The girl likes, so that's it.\" That's all.\nSo dāmpatye... It is not only in your country; in every country. Because the age is like that. Dāmpatye abhirucir hetur and māyaiva vyāvahārike [SB 12.2.3]. \n[Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction, and success in business will depend on deceit. Womanliness and manliness will be judged according to one's expertise in sex, and a man will be known as a brāhmaṇa just by his wearing a thread.]\nMāyā means false dealing. Vyāvahāre. Even in ordinary dealing there will be cheating and faulty dealing. Even in ordinary. Even you go to purchase something from a store, oh, there is false dealing. Dāmpatye. \nStrītve puṁstve ca hi ratiḥ. And strītve, a husband and wife will agree so long they are sexually strong. That's all. Strītve puṁstve ca hi ratiḥ. Ratiḥ means sex. Formerly it was not the system. The husband and wife combined together as life companion. Even the husband becomes diseased and penniless, the wife cannot give..., give him up. \"Oh, he is my husband.\" Similarly, wife.\nEither she becomes diseased or so many things, the husband and wife combined together for life. There was no question of divorce. There was no question of divorce, even they do not like each other, even they fight. Fight there must be, whenever there are two men or woman. That is individuality. Therefore Cāṇakya Paṇḍita says, dāmpatye kālahe caiva bambhārambhe laghu-kriya. Whenever there is fight between husband and wife, it should be neglected.\n[The husband and wife’s quarrel should not be taken very seriously.]\nThe formula of Cāṇakya Paṇḍita is given like this: aja-yuddhe. When the goats are fighting, as it is very insignificant... If you understand that in the door two goats are fighting, you don't care for it. You see? A goat fight. So aja-yuddhe muni-śraddhe. And some sages are performing śraddhā ceremony.\nŚraddhā ceremony means after the death of one's father and mother there is great ceremony, and the son spends lots of money. The father spends lots of money during the marriage ceremony of the boy and the girl, and the boy spends lots of money after the death of the father and mother. That is the system, Hindu system.\nSo aja-yuddhe muni-śraddhe. Muni-śraddhe means the muni is performing the śraddhā ceremony after the death of his father. Muni means he lives in the forest. They are mendicants. And what is the expenditure? Some flowers and fruits, that's all. So that is not very expensive. So... And in the forest you haven't got to pay anything for flowers and fruits. You can get from the trees. Aja-yuddhe muni-śraddhe, and prabhāte megra-dumbhake [?].\nIn the morning if there is thundering sound in the cloud, you should know it will not rain. It will never rain. That thundering may be very loud, but there will be no rain. That means you can neglect. As you can neglect the fight between two goats, as you can take not seriously the śraddhā ceremony of muni, as you do not take very seriously the thundering sound of the cloud in the morning, similarly, dāmpatye kālahe caiva, similarly, whenever there is fight between husband and wife, you should take like that. Don't take it seriously.\nBut at the modern civilization, the husband and wife quarrel is taken so seriously that immediately they go to the court and there is filing of divorce, and the combination, the married life, dissolved, and both are unhappy. And this psychology is, as it is stated—I do not know, but probably it is right—that disagreement between husband and wife is due to sex difficulty. That's all. It is clearly stated here. Either the husband or the wife, if there is not complete sex satisfaction, one of them must be very unhappy, and disagreement and dissolution.\nStrītve puṁstve ca hi ratir vipratve sūtram eva hi. Vipratve means... Just this morning I was explaining vipra, who is vipra. Vipra means one who has studied Veda nicely, or one who has passed in the studies of Vedas, he is called vipra. And before becoming a vipra, there is sacred thread ceremony. Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ.\nThere are stages: śūdra, dvija, vipra and brāhmaṇa. These four steps. One is born a śūdra. Śūdra means the lowest class, almost animal. So anyone who is born of father and mother, he is accepted as śūdra. And janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ. By birth, everyone is born a śūdra, the lower class. And saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ: and if that man, the boy, or the child, is reformed by education gradually, then he is, saṁskārad bhaved dvijaḥ, his second birth is there.\n[By birth everyone is a śūdra, but by undergoing the purificatory ceremonies under the direction of a bona fide spiritual master, one may become a brāhmaṇa, and when one knows the Supreme Spirit, he actually becomes a truly learned brāhmaṇa.]\nSo amongst the higher class, the brāhmaṇa, the kṣatriya and the vaiśyas, especially amongst the brāhmaṇas and kṣatriya, the boys were trained very nicely. Very nicely. So by reformation, when the boy is, I mean to say, mature, at the age of twelve years or thirteen years, he goes automatically to a spiritual master. He automatically goes to a spiritual master for becoming initiated.\nJust like sometimes some students come to me also: \"Swāmījī, get me...\" That is the process. When one understands the importance of spiritual life, that is reformation. So automatically he offers to a learned person to accept him as his disciple.\nThat point is, acceptance of a disciple, is the second birth. He is called dvija. Dvi means second, and ja means janma, or life. So saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ. Dvija means..., second life means reformation and acceptance of spiritual master. Then education, spiritual education, begins. And what is that spiritual education? The Vedic literature, just like Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Vedānta. There are many. Especially Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nSo one... When one has educated himself sufficiently in the Vedic literature, he is called vipra. And at that time the spiritual master... Or before that. Before accepting him as a student for spiritual education, the disciple was given a badge, which is called sacred thread. You have seen my sacred thread. So that sacred thread is offered.\nOne who has got the sacred thread is to be understood that he is twice-born. His second birth is also there. First birth is from the father and mother, and second birth is from the spiritual master and Vedic literature. The spiritual master is the father, and Vedic literature is the mother.\nNow here it is said that in the age of Kali, vipratve sūtram eva hi. The sūtra, the thread, is only two-cent worth. So just to place oneself as born of higher class... Especially in India that is now being done. One man can purchase a two-cent-worth this thread and put it on the..., \"Oh, I come from a brāhmaṇa family.\" Without any education, without any acceptance of spiritual master and without anything, simply by showing the thread, that \"I have got this thread,\" he becomes a brāhmaṇa or vipra, or twice-born or... Nonsense. But this will be done in Kali-yuga.\nActually, these things are being done in India especially. Because here, in your country, there is no sacred thread ceremony, but in India there is this division of brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, and still the sacred thread ceremony is there. So in order to pose oneself as born of high family, one can simply purchase two-cent-worth thread and put on the breast, and he can introduce himself, \"Oh, I am brāhmaṇa.\" And nobody is going to inquire whether he is actually a brāhmaṇa. As soon as one sees that sacred thread: \"Oh, he's a brāhmaṇa.\" That's all. So this is the, another symptom of Kali-yuga, that simply by two-cent-worth sacred thread one becomes a brāhmaṇa.\nLiṅgam evāśrama-khyātāv anyonyāpatti-kāraṇam [SB 12.2.4]. Liṅgam. \n[A person's spiritual position will be ascertained merely according to external symbols, and on that same basis people will change from one spiritual order to the next. A person's propriety will be seriously questioned if he does not earn a good living. And one who is very clever at juggling words will be considered a learned scholar.]\nLiṅgam means symptom. According to Vedic literature, there are different dress. A girl unmarried, her dress is different. A girl married, her dress is different. A girl widow, her dress is different. A girl prostitute, her dress is different. A man sannyāsī, his dress is different. A brahmacārī, his dress is different. So by the dress one can understand that who is who. That is the system.\nSo that dress is offered by the spiritual master after qualified. Just like if a girl is married, then his [her] dress is offered during the marriage ceremony. One of the symptom of married girl is some red powder between the two divisions of the hair. So one can understand that \"This girl is married.\" So similarly, there are different dresses according to qualification, according to the situation.\nBut in the Kali-yuga, that anyone can take any dress without any regulation, without any formality. Simply by dress. Suppose... Just like sannyāsī. Because a sannyāsī has to dress himself in these saffron-color garment, so sannyāsī has the privilege, if he goes to a householder's house, he is very respectfully received, and if he wants something, the householder gives him. That is the system. Now, if somebody sees that \"It is a very cheap process of earning money, so let me dress in this saffron color and beg from door to door. What is the use of laboring so hard...?\" So that will go on. Misuse of dress. Misuse of dress.\nLiṅgam eva āśrama-khyātāu. Āśrama, a gṛhastha. Āśrama means... There are four āśramas: brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. They have got different dress. But they have got different duties also. But in the Kali-yuga, simply by dress one should be known that either he is a sannyāsī or a brahmacārī or gṛhastha.\nAvṛttyā nyāya-daurbalyam... I shall explain another one line: avṛttyā nyāya-daurbalyaṁ pāṇḍitye cāpalaṁ vacaḥ [SB 12.2.4] If you have no money, then you cannot get justice. Formerly, if somebody has done injustice to you, you could go in the open court. Because the king used to sit in assembly, and any of the citizen could go there and put his complaint: \"My lord, I have been done so wrong by such and such.\" He could complain, and immediately the judgment is given. That was the system.\nNow in the Kali-yuga there is court. Suppose you have been insulted, you have been done wrong by somebody, if you want to go to court, oh, immediately you have to find out first about the fees of the lawyer and the stamp fees and so many things. And if you have no money, oh, there is no justice. If you have no money, then there is no justice. Therefore he says, avṛttyā nyāya-daurbalyam. Nyāya means justice, and daurbalyam means weakness. Avṛttyā means without money. Without money you cannot get justice.\nAnd pāṇḍitye cāpalaṁ vacaḥ. Paṇḍita means a learned scholar. If he can speak something, without any reference of the scripture, if he can simply..., what is called? Exact English language I don't find. False propaganda. False propaganda. Simply if he can satisfy the mass people by false propaganda, then he will be accepted that \"You are very learned.\" Nobody will inquire whether he is learned according to the standard books, because nobody has got knowledge of the standard book.\nI may speak something without any reference to the standard book, but if I can convince you, if I can flatter you, then you will accept me. Just like so many propaganda is going on that \"You can become a great yogī, at the same time you can indulge your senses. There is no restriction.\" People likes..., they like it.\nSo people are following that. But actually, if we refer to the standard books of yoga, it is very difficult. But that will not be spoken, because they will not like it. So everyone can manufacture in his own way some cheap thing, and people will like it. So pāṇḍitye cāpalaṁ vacaḥ. \nSo these are the symptoms. We shall discuss later on. The time is eight-twenty. If you have got any question about this? [break]",
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"content": "\n Yes. Vedas means from the beginning of creation. Brahmā, the first living creature, he was impregnated with Vedic knowledge by Kṛṣṇa. And that is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam: tene brahma hṛdā ādi-kavaye [SB 1.1.1]. Ādi-kavi means the first living creature, Brahmā. In his heart, hṛdā... Hṛdā means heart; tene, impregnated. Brahma, brahma means Vedic knowledge. So he was the first living creature. So one may inquire that how he was educated in Vedic knowledge, because there was no other living being. So therefore it is stated, tene brahma hṛdā. Hṛdā means from within.\nThere is education from within and from without. From within the Supersoul gives you education. Kṛṣṇa gives you education. Not to everyone. Who is devotee, to him, the Lord speaks from within. And from without, the spiritual master. So both ways we are getting opportunity for learning Vedic knowledge, from without, from within. And if we still we don't take advantage of it, then it is our misfortune.\nThe spiritual master is considered to be outward expression of the Supersoul. God is so kind that He is within, giving you education, provided you are prepared to hear Him. And from without, He sends His representative. So both ways we are benefited. We have to take advantage of this opportunity. From without, we have got these books, the spiritual master, the saintly persons, so many. Friends, books. And from within, Kṛṣṇa, the Supersoul.\nteṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ\nbhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam\ndadāmi buddhi-yogaṁ taṁ\nyena mām upayānti te\n[Bg. 10.10]\n[To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.]\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find, teṣāṁ satata-yuktānām: those who are constantly engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Satata means constantly. Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānām, engaged. How? How engaged? Bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam: rendering service with faith and love. Only those persons. Those persons who are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and rendering service with faith and love, to them only.\nTeṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam dadāmi buddhi-yogaṁ taṁ [Bg. 10.10]: \"I give them buddhi-yogam, the intelligence.\" What sort of intelligence? Dadāmi buddhi-yogaṁ yena mām upayānti te: \"Such intelligence by which, by help of which, he can gradually come to My kingdom.\" That is there. So from within, there is education, and from without, there is education. So we have to take advantage of this.\nSo Veda, your question, Veda knowledge means from the beginning of the creation. Unless the knowledge is there, how this creation can be conducted? So Brahmā was made in charge of this universe, and he was educated in Vedas. Therefore you'll find the Brahmā's picture, he has got Vedas in his hand. Have you seen? Brahmā's picture, he has got Vedas. And in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is said, tene brahma hṛdā ādi-kavaye. Ādi-kavaye means he is the original learned man. And the disciplic succession comes from Brahmā.\nBrahmā was educated by Kṛṣṇa, and from Brahmā, his disciple Nārada, and Nārada's disciple Vyāsa, Vyāsa's disciple Madhvācārya. In the Madhvācārya, Lord Caitanya in the line. From Lord Caitanya, others. In this way the disciplic succession is coming directly from Kṛṣṇa. And it is called Brahma-sampradāya. Brahma-sampradāya.\nSo that knowledge... Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam [Bg. 4.2].\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\nAs it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, this knowledge is received by this disciplic succession. That is perfect knowledge. No adulteration. Just like if you see water directly from the sky, it is pure water. And as soon as you take water either from sea or river, it is adulterated. Similarly, we have to receive knowledge direct from Kṛṣṇa. So it is a great opportunity that Bhagavad-gītā is directly imparted by Kṛṣṇa. And if we take, accept, Bhagavad-gītā as it is, we are full of knowledge.\nThere is no question of research or bothering your brain. You take directly, immediately. We receive knowledge in that way, oh... Just mother gives the child education, \"My dear child, here is your father. Here is your brother. Here is your sister,\" the child accepts it. He doesn't require to make research, \"Who is my father?\" The mother says, authority, \"Here is your father,\" and accept. Finish.\nOtherwise make research, \"Who is my father? Are you my father? Are you my father? Are you my father? Where is father?\" The authority is mother: \"Here is your father.\" Accept it. There is no research. There is no trouble. And if you, \"No, I want to find out my father by research,\" go on with your nonsense research. What research you can do? What knowledge you have got?\nTherefore this knowledge is perfect. Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam [Bg. 4.2], by disciplic succession from authority. That knowledge is perfect. Our knowledge, most imperfect. Just like we are studying the moon. So many scientists are engaged to study the moon. Every day we read something about moon. And in Bhāgavata you see that the moon is very cold planet, and there people drink soma-rasa. And the other day I was reading in the paper, the temperature is 200 degrees less than zero. Just you can imagine how cold it is.\nSo how we can go there? You cannot go to Canada, because when it is below zero degree, you are so unhappy. And it is, if we accept the statement of the scientist, it is 200 degrees below zero. So how you can go there? At once you'll die, immediately. Similarly, the temperature of sun, oh, so many degree higher centigrade. So you have to remain.\nTherefore we are called conditioned. You cannot go outside. You are conditioned. You may try, but you cannot go outside in that way. If you want to go other planets, then you have to prepare yourself. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nyānti deva-vratā devān\npitṝn yānti pitṛ-vratāḥ\nbhūtejyā yānti bhūtāni\nmad-yājino 'pi yānti mām\n[Bg. 9.25]\n[Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live with Me.]\nThat those who are desirous of going to the heavenly planets—moon is also considered one of the heavenly planets—they can worship the particular demigod there. If you want to go to the sun planet, you worship the sun-god, moon-god, and at the expiry of this body you can directly go there. Yānti deva-vratā devān pitṝn...\nIf you want to go to the Pitṛloka, you can go there. If you want to remain here, you can remain here. And even if you want to go to the planet where Kṛṣṇa lives, you can go there. Yānti mad-yājino 'pi mām: \"And those who are My devotees, they come to Me, My planet.\" That is... We have described in our book Easy Journey to Other Planets.\nSo you cannot go immediately. You have to make arrangement for. That is not possible that you have discovered something, sputnik, and by sputnik you immediately go to the Candraloka. That is imagination. It is not possible. [end]",
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"content": "\n Yes. What was the business of Rāmacandra? To kill Rāvaṇas. [laughter] To kill all the atheists. That was the Rāmacandra's business: to kill Rāvaṇa. Rāvaṇa was a very powerful atheist, and he was working with the ten heads. Just like materialistic karmīs, they work very hard, and they have got good brain also for wording hard. So Rāvaṇa had ten heads. But the plan was to cheat Rāma. With all intelligence, with all brain, his only plan was how to cheat Rāma. That was his...\nHe became a sannyāsī and he went to take some alms from Sītā. The purpose was to cheat, to enter. Because according to Vedic civilization, a sannyāsī has open door. He can go even inside. But that... He was the only sannyāsī at that time who tried to cheat. But this kind of sannyāsī or this kind of intelligent persons are killed by Rāma. They may make plan very nice to cheat Rāmacandra, but ultimately they become vanquished with all their planning commission.\nSo you have to please Rāmacandra in that way, to kill all these cheaters, Rāvaṇas—those in the form of sannyāsī, in the form of priest, or religionist, [who] are trying to cheat the Lord. Their only business is, \"There is no God,\" \"God is impersonal,\" \"God is void\"—some way or other to say there is no God. All these proposition, \"God is void,\" \"God is impersonal,\" means indirectly to say there is no God. So this is Rāvaṇa's policy.\nAnd in order to please Rāmacandra, oh, we have to kill this atheist class of men who try to cheat Rāmacandra and take away His Lakṣmī, Sītā, the goddess of fortune. The materialistic persons, they are trying simply to accumulate wealth, and so they come to Rāmacandra. You see? They want money. That is Sītā. Money is goddess of fortune. So the materialistic persons, their policy is to take..., earn money like anything and employ it in sense gratification. That is their policy.\nBut our policy is to take away the money from the atheist and employ it to the service of Rāmacandra. Just like Hanumān. Hanumān was fighting not for his personal. He was trying to recover Sītā from the hands of Rāvaṇa to bring her again to the side of Rāmacandra. That was his policy. So devotee's policy should be that \"These atheists, materialists, karmīs, they have taken Sītā, all the goddess of fortune, money, for their sense gratification, and we, following the footstep of Hanumān, the great devotee, Vajrāṅgajī, we have to fight with this atheist class of men, and snatch from him Sītā and place her again on the side of Rāmacandra.\"\nSo we may make plan. As they are making plan to take away all the monies, we have to also make plan to take the money from the Rāvaṇa and employ it for Kṛṣṇa. Of course, we are not going to cheat them, but our policy is pacifying him, that \"Your money is not... Whatever you are thinking your money, it is not your money; it is God's money, Kṛṣṇa's money. If you kindly spare for Kṛṣṇa's service, then your life will be successful. Otherwise, you will be killed like Rāvaṇa.\" This message we can convey to all the Rāvaṇas.\nSo Rāma-rañjana means find out the ways and means how to please Rāmacandra and how to vanquish the Rāvaṇas. That's all.\nThank you. [end]",
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"content": "\nRatha-yātrā. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\nHe is a gṛhastha. [Hindi] also sannyāsī.. [Hindi] Gṛhastha..\nkibā vipra, kibā nyāsī, śūdra kene naya\nyei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā, sei 'guru' haya\n[Cc Madhya 8.128]",
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"content": "\n\"One has to learn the science of Kṛṣṇa, then he becomes spiritual master. It does not matter whether a sannyāsī or a gṛhastha.\"\nI've known gṛhastha he was 1000 times better than so many sannyāsīs [laughs]. [Hindi] Nityānanda prabhu—gṛhastha, Advaita prabhu— gṛhastha, [Hindi]\nkibā vipra, kibā nyāsī, śūdra kene naya\nyei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā, sei 'guru' haya\n[Cc Madhya 8.128]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi] Mahāprabhu's the movement, it is very important. Systematically [Hindi conversation]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi] Yato mat tato path.",
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"content": "\nBhutva bhava sa maṇḍita.",
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"content": "\n\nAtaḥśrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi\nna bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ\n[Cc. Madhya 17.136]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi conversation]\n[04:07]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi] government service, government servant [Hindi] first of all, we are servant of Kṛṣṇa we have got claim. [laughs]",
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"content": "\nīśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam: [Īśo mantra 1] [Hindi conversation]\n[06:49]\nlokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau [Hindi]\nnānā-śāstra-vicāraṇaika-nipuṇau sad-dharma-saṁsthāpakau\nlokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau tri-bhuvane mānyau śaraṇyākarau\nrādhā-kṛṣṇa-padāravinda-bhajanānandena mattālikau\nvande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau\n[Śrī Śrī Ṣaḍ-gosvāmy-aṣṭaka 2]\nlokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau [Hindi]\n[07:28]\npatitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\n[Hindi conversation]",
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"content": "\n\nmāṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya\nye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ\nstriyo vaiśyās tathā śūdrās\nte 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim\n[Bg. 9.32]\npāpa-yonayaḥ\n[Hindi conversation]\n[08:14]\nkiṁ punar brāhmaṇāḥ puṇyā\nbhaktā rājarṣayas tathā\n[Bg. 9.33]\n[Hindi conversation]\n[08:30]\nbhārata-bhūmite manuṣya janma haila yāra\njanma sārthaka kari' kara para-upakāra\n[Cc. Ādi 9.41]\n[Hindi conversation]\n[09:10] it is the duty of every Indian\n[Hindi conversation]\n[09:23]\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\n[Hindi conversation]\n[09:52] we are canvassing\n[Hindi conversation]\n[09:58] kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28]\n[Hindi conversation]\n[10:14] I am very well pleased that you are... Certified that this is the greatest service to the humanity.",
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"content": "\nThank you very much. [Hindi conversation]\n[10:49] for this materialistic way of life",
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"content": "\nathāto brahma jijñāsā [Vedānta-sūtra] [Hindi conversation]\n[12:00] Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28], sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66], man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]\n[Hindi conversation]\n[13:25]",
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"content": "\n...brahma-bhūyāya kalpate [Bg. 14.26]\nbrahma-bhutaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg. 18.54]\nmad-bhaktiṁ, mad..",
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"content": "\n\nbahūnāṁ janmanām ante\njñānavān māṁ prapadyate\n[Bg. 7.19]",
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"content": "\nmāṁ prapadyate\nPrabhupāda\n: \nsa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ [Hindi conversation]\nmāṁ vetti, māṁ vetti.. manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu\nkaścid yatati siddhaye yatatām api siddhānāṁ\n[Bg. 7.3]\nsiddhānām siddhānāṁ",
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"content": "\nAh.",
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"content": "\nkaścin māṁ vetti tattvataḥ, siddhānām jñānināṁ",
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"content": "\njñāninām muktinaṁ",
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"content": "\n[Hindi] material science... Advanced... 100 years back [Hindi conversation]\n[17:40]\n[Hindi]. Nectar of Devotion [Hindi] photographs\n[18:04] you have brought some record here?",
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"content": "\nIt's in my other case, two records I have got.",
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"content": "\nTwo copies of Govinda.",
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"content": "\nReading them and keep them in the library. [Hindi]\n[18:29] in Ratha-yātrā Festival in one hour we sold about 24 copies. Although it is very highly priced, eight dollars. But in America they keep the nice dollar cheaper[?] [Hindi] eight dollar.... Oh he has got.. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\nI gave him one already.",
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"content": "\n Caitanya Mahāprabhu has said that this kṛṣṇa-saṅkīrtana—Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare—paraṁ vijayate: \"All glories.\" Paraṁ vijayate śrī-kṛṣṇa-saṅkīrtanam. Ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam. Because the śrī-kṛṣṇa-saṅkīrtana will increase the ocean of transcendental bliss.\nNow, here in this meeting we are present. I am an old man of seventy-four years old, and here is a child, one year old. So beginning from this child— abala-vṛddha-vanita[?], the Sanskrit word—beginning from the child, woman, up to the old man, everyone can take part in this saṅkīrtana movement. Actually we can see practically that everyone can take part in it. This is such a nice yoga system. There is no need of any material qualification. But we don't neglect material qualification. We can dovetail material qualification to render service to Kṛṣṇa, and that will make our all material possession, assets, successful.\n[child making noises like japa] He is trying to...",
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"content": "\n [chuckles] He is seeing mother's. You see? Therefore such child, they are all fortunate child. You see? He is learning automatically how to chant, how to keep the beads. Śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭo sañjāyate [Bg. 6.41].\n[The unsuccessful yogī, after many, many years of enjoyment on the planets of the pious living entities, is born into a family of righteous people, or into a family of rich aristocracy.]\nIt is very nice that you have got tendency for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and this is the duty of father and mother, to raise children in that Kṛṣṇa consciousness so that this child can be saved from further bondage of birth and death.\nBhāgavata says that \"One should not become father, one should not become mother, unless they are able to save the child from the impending mouth of death.\" And hariṁ vinā na mṛtiṁ taranti: \"Without Kṛṣṇa consciousness, nobody can be saved from the cycle of birth and death.\" That is not possible.\nThere are many Vedic version. Yāvan na prītir mayi vāsudeve na mucyate deha-yogena tāvat [SB 5.5.6].\n[When the living entity is covered by the mode of ignorance, he does not understand the individual living being and the supreme living being, and his mind is subjugated by fruitive activity. Therefore, until one has love for Lord Vāsudeva, who is none other than Myself, he is certainly not delivered from having to accept a material body again and again.]\nDeha-yoga means contacting this material body. We are not this material body, but we have contacted. Just like we contact some infectious disease, similarly, we have somehow or other contacted. Deha-yogena. And that is the cause of all our misery.\nSo Bhāgavata says, yāvan na prītir mayi vāsudeve. So long one does not develop this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, there is no chance of getting out of this contact of material body. We can get very nice body or very bad body. That doesn't matter. We can get a dog's body, or we can get a demigod's body. We can live for five minutes. There are many insects and germs which live for five minutes, and there are living entities in Brahmaloka who live for five millions of years. All varieties of life there are within this universe.\nBy Kṛṣṇa's creation, you will find, aṇor aṇīyān mahato mahīyān: the bigger than the biggest and the smaller than the smallest. You will find. Just see in this New Vrindaban: there are big trees, also small, very insignificant, so small tree that you are trampling over it. So in the living condition there are so many varieties, 8,400,000's of species. But the problem is not to promote ourself from this small body to big body, from the ant's body to elephant's body. That is not our problem. Not to accept this material body—to have our spiritual body, sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1].\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nJust like Kṛṣṇa has sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha, Nārāyaṇa has got sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha. So that is our problem.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness will give us that opportunity, and those who are gṛhasthas, family men, their duty is to raise their children to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness so that actually the child will have full advantage of having a nice parent, nice father and mother. So this New Vrindaban we have selected to grow a community of such nice father and mother. There is sannyāsī also, brahmacārī, gṛhastha. We have no such distinction. Yei kṛṣṇa bhaje sei guru haya. Anyone who is in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and full in the understanding of science of Kṛṣṇa, he can become a spiritual master, a teacher.\nSo in this Vrindaban, New Vrindaban, you should live in such a way, ideal way, that people will learn that what is actually human life, what is human civilization, how..., what is, it is meant for. That we have to teach to the world. So those who are conducting this institution, my request is that you develop this place in such a nice way. And you can practically see. If you train... That this child is dancing. This child is trying to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa with beads. Simply they are to be instructed. They must have the association. Then there will be a new growth of population, not like cats and dogs, but actually demigods, devatā.\nDemigods means devotees of Kṛṣṇa. That's all. And asura means nondevotee. So there is enough population of asura in this world. And the people are not happy, because āsuriṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ. This demonic civilization is killing the human race. So it is the responsibility of the members of the Kṛṣṇa consciousness to save so many ignorant, innocent people. They have got this human form of life to end all miserable condition of material existence. They are being misguided simply just like animals. It is not a good civilization.\nSo this place is out of contact. It is very... It is Kṛṣṇa's desire that here no man of ordinary interest will come here. It is in a very nice location. It is beyond the reach of the ordinary class of men. [laughter] Just like Howard's father said that \"I'll never come here.\" [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Oh. So it is Kṛṣṇa's grace. [laughter] He had some affection for the dog. Now he can turn his affection for Kṛṣṇa. The dog is lost... No, dog will not be lost. He will reach. The dog, they are very... They will soon smell and find out the way. Dog will never be lost.\nSo our Mr. D.D. [referring to Dvārakādhiṣa] is in samādhi. Let him take rest. You can take rest. Go. [laughs] Yes. You are feeling samādhi, Mr. Ekendra? No, you can go and take rest. Yes. You are very good. So these children, they are coming. I especially request Swami Kīrtanānanda to take care of them. And here is a nice, motherly girl, Satyabhāmā, and her husband. They are all... So take care of these children. If you can make one child Kṛṣṇa conscious, it is a great service. Kṛṣṇa will be very pleased. So, so many children will come. This place is nice. And Kṛṣṇa will give us all opportunity.\nSo I will also come again, and I like this place. So... Because I have come to preaching work, so let me finish whatever little work is still remaining. I want to go once to London and Germany. Then I will entrust the whole thing to you. So let us cooperate in this movement very nicely, and here in this spot, New Vrindaban, the woman's business will be to take care of the children, cooking, cleansing, and churning butter. [laughter] And those who have the knowledge of typing can help in typing also. No other hard work. That's all. This is for woman.\nAnd for men, hard work, field work, taking care of the cows, of the animals, to go to collect wood, to construct building. In this way cooperate. The girls who are here, they should prepare nice prasādam so that the boys, in time, they can get their prasādam timely. This is the duty. And they must be given timely breakfast, lunch prasādam. They will work hard. And the churning business is for the girls. That will keep your health very nice.\nMā Yaśodā, the mother of Kṛṣṇa, just see how exalted she was. She was... Materially, she was rich also. She had many maidservants. Still, she took pleasure in churning. You have seen the picture. Recently in Los Angeles they had the festival dadhi-maṇḍa... What is called? Butter, butter ceremony. So people took part in churning, and there were twelve pounds of butter churned in the meeting. Yes. And they collected good amount by churning.\nSo our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is very nice. We churn butter and have festival and live nicely and dance, Hare Kṛṣṇa. It is very nice life. So just cooperate and try to improve. It will improve if you be sincere. Kṛṣṇa will send all help. And some day it will be actually replica of that Vṛndāvana. And our Kīrtanānanda Swami, he was in Vṛndāvana; he has got the ideas. Here is Keśighāṭa also. And try. Cooperatively you can do. Kṛṣṇa will help. So... And Jack and you... You have decided to remain here? Very nice. You have got very nice child. And now Mr. Ekendra is feeling samādhi. He can also take... [laughter] Let him take rest. You take rest. Ekendra? You take rest. Go. He is...",
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"content": "\nSo the reason material progress doesn't work simply because everything in the material world is temporary. Nothing is actually real, nothing is permanent, it's a reflection of reality. The reality is actually spiritual, you can't find something real, you can't find something permanent in a temporary situation.\nAn example is that if you see the reflection of some fruit in a mirror and it looks very nice and you become very hungry and if we try to get the fruit. So you're not going to get it, no matter how hard you try. This is the material advancement, this is the material content, you're looking for eternal happiness, looking for a permanent solution to all your problems but you're turning to a reflection of reality.\nYour not at the real thing, real happiness is not even in the material world. People think that, \"If I had a car, if I had a beautiful wife, if I had this or that then I'll be happy.\" Actually it's a reflection, it's just trying to get off the mirror. Trying to get the fruit through the mirror. It doesn't work that way you have to be intelligent enough to realise this is not real. It's just a reflection and you must turn and face to the real fruit.\nIt's behind you, you couldn't see it but you must turn around that's what Kṛṣṇa consciousness is. It's turning to Kṛṣṇa, it's turning to the reality everyone in the material world is so intent, just fix the mind, I must get the fruit, I must get.. I must have happiness, I must have success, I must have this I must have that. And then they don't use their intelligence they are so deluded by the illusion of the mirror they can't think correctly. They don't realise this is simply an illusion.\nThe process of turning to reality, the process is very simple. Simply if we hear, simply hear about Kṛṣṇa come to this temple and hear of Kṛṣṇa's name in chanting. Hear about the pastimes of Kṛṣṇa, hear about the words of Kṛṣṇa as he spoke Bhagavad-gītā and this is.. this is turning to Kṛṣṇa. This is what it means to turn to Kṛṣṇa-through your ears. Through your mind, your consciousness, just to engage in Kṛṣṇa. Return to reality and then you will see as all the devotees here see. It's a permanent solution and permanent happiness. It is not just temporary it's not a reflection.\nMahārāja Parīkṣit was a great saintly King, he found out that he was going to die in seven days. So he sought out Śukadeva Gosvāmī a great saintly person and he asked him about what is the absolute truth. What is Kṛṣṇa? And Śukadeva Gosvāmī the great Saint said, \"You have asked the most intelligent question. You have asked about Kṛṣṇa. You've asked about the absolute truth.\" This is the most intelligent thing we can do. All day long everyone is asking questions, every second there is a question coming in our mind. And in the next second there is an answer. This goes on and on eternally.\nIn the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam-our spiritual master wrote that even the birds and the trees every second there is question and answer on and on. Where will I get food next, how will I do this how will I do that. Always questions and answers, there is no end to them. Until you ask about Kṛṣṇa until you ask that final question. The question about the absolute truth and this brings you to the ultimate answer and that answer is that you are the servant of God.\nEverything you see around us is here simply for the pleasure of Kṛṣṇa, we ourselves were created simply for the pleasure of God. There is no other meaning to our existence but to please God. But in the material consciousness the idea is how can I get pleasure from myself. So this is actually fighting the absolute truth. The absolute truth is in everything, a balance, all the food, all the trees, the air, the mountains, the beautiful things.\nEverything's here simply because Kṛṣṇa wants it here for His enjoyment. We are here simply for Kṛṣṇa's enjoyment. So if our consciousness is saying, \"How can I enjoy, how can I get pleasure out of all these things.\" Then we are going against the absolute truth and how can we possibly be happy? So first we have to surrender and we have to realise everything is here for the pleasure of God so let me use everything for the pleasure of God.\nLet me utilise all my time, all my energy. If I have money then I will give my money, I will use my words, I will use to speak about Kṛṣṇa. I will use my ears to hear about Kṛṣṇa, glorify Kṛṣṇa, tell people about Kṛṣṇa and work for Kṛṣṇa.\nSo this latest perfection-go back in our constitutional position as the servant of God. In the material world being a servant is in a lower position but actually in spiritual life it is just the opposite. It's in a higher position. You reach perfection, you don't become unhappy. In the material world a servant could be kicked by his master and treated ill and he is unhappy.\nThat's why we don't like the idea of being a servant. We like the idea of being a master but actually to become the servant of God is not like that, it is blissful. Just like if the son thinks that, \"Oh I don't want to obey my father, I want to be independent on my own.\" So the little child runs away from home thinking that he is going to be independent, he is going to get pleasure for himself.\nSo he's just going to suffer, he is not going to enjoy but then finally when he realises that I must go back to my father I'm not independent, I am eternally dependent on my father as long as I am in this position. So he goes back to his father and it is not an unpleasant meeting, the father doesn't.. He isn't very mad and he beats him and hurts him.\nSurrendering to Kṛṣṇa is not like that, that Kṛṣṇa becomes very angry with you. No it is a very blissful occasion being reunited with your father, reuniting in your actual position it's a very blissful reunion to meet Kṛṣṇa again. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, to go back to home back to Godhead. It's actually all everybody wants, spiritual life.\nWe are looking for the pleasure of spiritual life in the material world. If we simply tell people we can find the pleasure in the spiritual world that's where it really is and the way that you do that is to simply chant the name of Kṛṣṇa. Chant:\nhare kṛṣṇa, hare kṛṣṇa, kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa, hare hare\nhare rāma, hare rāma, rāma rāma, hare hare\nThis is practically engaging ourselves in the service of Kṛṣṇa, practically turning to Him. It is not vague, it is not uncertain, you're saying Kṛṣṇa's names, your engaging all your sense in Kṛṣṇa. And you can see for yourself practically, \"Yes I'm back with Kṛṣṇa. I'm making progress in spiritual life.\"",
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"content": "\nThis platform of God consciousness for being reunited with the absolute truth, being fixed in the eternal natural position of the soul as sac-cid-ānanda vigraha in full blissful knowledge in perfect form as a servitor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nCannot be realised by the attempt of exploration of the central role[?] and cannot be understood or approached by force of mind or intelligence. So nobody who is willing to spend his lifetime in the false and illusory creating pursuits of this world is able to come to the final conclusion of how to bring about that eternal blissful feeling which he so much desires and neither is he able to advise anybody else as to what the cause of all causes is and as to how he can obtain himself that realm of unalloyed happiness.\nSo the process for finding out the absolute truth is not to search in this world, nor is it to speculate by means of our mind and intelligence but it is to accept the absolute truth as it is presented by the Personality of Godhead Himself. Who is the original spiritual master seated in everybody's heart and he can be known as soon as one is willing to turn his attention towards Him.\nThe inner God or the Personality of Godhead seated in the heart is one of two gurus and the other guru is the external guru or spiritual master who appears to the enquiring soul and by the mercy of Godhead himself and it is said in the scripture that by the mercy of the Personality of Godhead Kṛṣṇa one receives a bona-fide spiritual master and by the mercy of the bona-fide spiritual master one receives Kṛṣṇa.\nSo one should be enquiring after the absolute truth and this has been determined that no one should seek for pleasure in this material world. That we cannot presume ourselves to be God. The obvious fact is that we are not God. The additional obvious fact is that if we are not God now we can never become God because God is never not God. So here we are in this platform of not God and we are being kicked by other not God's and thinking very puffed up thoughts that we are very big.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is presenting to us a darśana of humility, that you have to give up your vain pursuits and give up your pride and you must surrender to Him. He is not begging for your attention in the way that somebody wants some money, some false teacher is begging. He is complete in Himself and what He wants only is your love. If you can find out the secret and find out somebody who can teach you that secret, the art of love of God then your life will become perfect.\nSo Kṛṣṇa kindly sends a spiritual master and if we can turn our ear to Him and listen with a submissive attitude and not really challenging state of mind then we can appreciate the presentation of the absolute truth. Just as it is presented by the Personality of Godhead Himself. Why? Because the realised soul takes dictation from the Personality of Godhead directly without any distortion he makes no addition or subtraction according to his own imagination but presents the absolute truth just as it is an eternally being presented by the Personality of Godhead Kṛṣṇa Himself.\nAnd so we can accept it from him and make no error, just as a child can accept from his mother, \"What is this?\" \"This is a watch.\" So we can also accept what is the absolute truth? -Kṛṣṇa from the realised soul and the realised soul has no other business in this world except to deliver the fallen souls back home to Kṛṣṇa which is tantamount to delivering Kṛṣṇa to them. So you have to be willing to accept Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa is already willing to accept you.\nSummarised by Puruṣottama so nicely who has advised us to turn our attention in the direction of the Personality of Godhead. The Lord can satisfy all our desires it is described in the Vedas as satisfying fully all the desires of all beings from time immemorial. So whatever you want you can get it from the Personality of Godhead He is supplying everything to everyone. And so we should turn our attention towards Him and accept this highest blessing which is love of Himself.\nAnd in such consciousness we can live this life peacefully, happily, in ecstatic joyous consciousness without making any error in our life. Without wasting our time, losing all doubt as to the mission of our life and come to the steady conclusion of intelligence. That we are parts and parcels eternal servitors of the Personality of Godhead.",
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"content": "\nDevananda you can speak something.",
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"content": "\n This platform of God consciousness for being re-united with the absolute truth. Being fixed on the eternal natural position of the soul as sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha, in full blissful knowledge. In perfect form as a servitor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead cannot be realised by the attempt of exploration of the central role and cannot be understood or approached by force of mind or intelligence.\nSo nobody who is willing to spend his lifetime in a false and illusory fading pursuits of this world is able to come to the final conclusion of how to bring about that eternal blissful feeling which he so much desires and neither is he able to advise anybody else as to what the cause of all causes is and as to how he can attain himself that realm of unalloyed happiness.\nSo the process for finding out the absolute truth is not to search in this world, nor is it to speculate by means of our mind and intelligence but it is to accept the absolute truth as it is presented by the Personality of Godhead Himself. For He is the original spiritual master seated in everybody's heart and He can be known as soon as one is willing to turn his attention towards Him.\nThe inner God, or the Personality of Godhead seated in the heart is one of two gurus. The other guru is the external guru or spiritual master who appears to the enquiring soul by the mercy of Godhead Himself and it is said in the scripture that by the mercy of the Personality of Godhead Kṛṣṇa one receives a bona-fide spiritual master and by the mercy of the bona-fide spiritual master one receives Kṛṣṇa.\nSo one should be enquiring after the absolute truth and this has been determined that no one should seek for pleasure in this material world. That we cannot presume ourselves to be God. The obvious fact is that we are not God, the additional obvious fact is that if we are not God now we can never become God. Because God is never not God. So here we are on this platform of not God and we are being kicked by other not God's and thinking very puffed up thoughts that we are very big.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is presenting to us a doctrine of humility that you have to give up your vain pursuits and give up your pride and you must surrender to Him. He is not begging for your attention in the way that somebody wants some money, some false teacher is begging. He is complete in Himself and what He wants only is your love. If you can find out this secret and find out someone who can teach you that secret, the art of love of God then your life will become perfect.\nSo Kṛṣṇa kindly sends the spiritual master and if we can turn our ear to Him and listen with a submissive attitude and not really challenging state of mind then we can appreciate the presentation of the absolute truth just as it is presented by the Personality of Godhead Himself. Why? Because the realised soul takes dictation from the Personality of Godhead directly without any distortion. He makes no addition or subtraction according to his own imagination but presents the absolute truth just as it is eternally being presented by the Personality of Godhead Kṛṣṇa Himself.",
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"content": "\n And so we can accept it from him and make no error. Just as a child can accept from his mother, \"What is this?\" \"This is a watch.\" So we can also accept, \"What is the absolute truth?\" \"Kṛṣṇa.\" From the realized soul and the realized soul has no other business in this world except to deliver the fallen souls back home to Kṛṣṇa which is tantamount to delivering Kṛṣṇa to them.\nSo you have to be willing to accept Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa is already willing to accept you. Simply as Puruṣottama so nicely advised, just turn our attention in the direction of the Personality of Godhead for one who can satisfy all our desires. He is described in the Veda are satisfying fully all the desires of all beings from time immemorial. So whatever E want you can get it from the Personality of Godhead.\nHe is supplying everything to everyone and so we should turn our attention towards Him and accept this highest blessing which is love of Himself. And in such consciousness we can live this life peacefully, happily, in ecstatic joyous consciousness without making any error in our life. Without wasting our time, losing all doubt as to the mission of our life and come to the steady conclusion of intelligence. That we are parts and parcels, eternal servitors of the Personality of Godhead.",
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"content": "\n You talk about the service of Lord Kṛṣṇa. How does service of our fellow man come in?",
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"content": "\n How these boys are coming here? How you have come here? It is not service? The best service: to take them out from the illusory life of material existence. The best service. This is the best service, to spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness. What do you mean by service? To give him relief from the suffering. That is service.\nThis is the best relief. Yayātmā suprasīdati. The Bhāgavata says, \"That is the best service, that is the best religion, that is the best philosophy, which teaches one how to love God.\" And as soon as he comes to that position, without any motive, without any impediment, yayātmā suprasīdati [SB 1.2.6].\n[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]\nImmediately he becomes satisfied.\nSvāmin kṛtārtho 'smi varaṁ na yāce\n[Cc. Madhya 22.42].\n[“[When he was being blessed by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Dhruva Mahārāja said:] ’O my Lord, because I was seeking an opulent material position, I was performing severe types of penance and austerity. Now I have gotten You, who are very difficult for the great demigods, saintly persons and kings to attain. I was searching after a piece of glass, but instead I have found a most valuable jewel. Therefore I am so satisfied that I do not wish to ask any benediction from You.’]\nDhruva Mahārāja, a five-years-old boy, was insulted by his stepmother, and he wanted the kingdom of his father. So his real mother advised him, \"If God gives you, then you can get. Otherwise it is not possible.\" So he went to the forest. He inquired from his mother, \"Where is God? I shall go there.\"\nThe mother said, \"My dear boy, I think He is in the Himalaya or in the forest, because many sages go there and find out God.\" The five-years-old boy immediately went to the forest and began to search out where is God. He was so... That means [in]tense desire: \"I shall find out God, where is God.\"\nSo, many people went there. Even Nārada Muni came there: \"My dear boy, you are prince. You are so delicate. You are so nice. You cannot undertake this austerity, this severity of penance, finding out God. You better go home. Go to your father, mother.\" \"Oh, sir, oh, I don't want your advice. Can you give me any way to find out God?\" Then Nārada Muni initiated him, and he began to meditate, and ultimately he found out God.\nBut when he saw God, he says, \"My dear Lord, I do not want anything. Now I am fully satisfied.\" Svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi varaṁ na yāce [Cc. Madhya 22.42]: \"I came here for something which is just like broken pieces of glass, but I have got the diamond. So therefore I have nothing to ask for.\"\nSimilarly, when one finds out his eternal relationship with God, loving spirit, then he becomes, says, \"Oh, I do not...\" Yaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ manyate nādhikaṁ tataḥ [Bg. 6.22].\n[The stage of perfection is called trance, or samādhi, when one's mind is completely restrained from material mental activities by practice of yoga. This is characterized by one's ability to see the self by the pure mind and to relish and rejoice in the self. In that joyous state, one is situated in boundless transcendental happiness and enjoys himself through transcendental senses. Established thus, one never departs from the truth, and upon gaining this he thinks there is no greater gain. Being situated in such a position, one is never shaken, even in the midst of greatest difficulty. This indeed is actual freedom from all miseries arising from material contact.]\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā you will find. If you, I mean to say, go that standard of life, then you will feel, \"I have no more want. Finished. All want finished.\" That is the best gift, that is the best service, when a man will feel that \"I have no more want. I am fully satisfied.\" That is the best service.\nWhat is this service, nonsense service? Suppose I am hungry; you give me some food. Does it mean that I shall not be hungry again? That food is already given also in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness move... That is not very difficult job. That is being given also. But we are giving some food which will make him satisfied for good: no more hunger.\nThat is the best service. Just try to understand what sort of service is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness: no more hunger, no more demand. Svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi: \"Oh, I am fully satisfied.\" Varaṁ na yāce: \"I have no more demand. Finish.\" And if you go materially, satisfy your hunger, this, that, this, that, this, that, oh, it is simply illusion. It will never be finished.\nJust like you are advanced in material prosperity than other country. Does it mean that you are satisfied? Why there are hippies? Why there are so many frustrated youngsters? The richest country in the world. That..., this richness of material world, the rascals, they are following that \"If we become like America and some industrial, we shall become happy.\" That is rascaldom.\nActual happiness is how you learn to love God. Then you get happy. That can be achieved without any material advancement. Anywhere you can have, without any expenditure, without any effort, without any education, without any knowledge. Simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and you develop that love. This is the highest service to the human society. Just try to understand.\nEveryone will say, \"Oh, I am now satisfied, fully satisfied. I don't want. No more stealing, no more pick-pocketing, no more cheating, because I have no want. Why shall I cheat? Why shall I cheat?\" Everything will be complete, fully satisfied. Yayātmā suprasīdati. Suprasīdati, this very word, Sanskrit word, is there. You have to make yourself fully satisfied. Then there will be no more want. You see?\nJust like there is a story, \"Alexander and the Cynic.\" Perhaps most of you know. There was a cynic. He was saintly person. He was sitting in a solitary place, so, almost naked body. Alexander the Great went there and asked him, \"If I can do something for you? You are a great man.\" He said, \"Oh, please don't obstruct sunshine. Please be aside. That's all. [laughter] You may do this: don't obstruct the sunshine. I am quite pleased. You please step aside.\" Because he was fully satisfied, why this Alexander Great will do..., can do him?\nyam labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ\nmanyate nādhikaṁ tataḥ\nyasmin sthite guruṇāpi\nduḥkhena na vicālyate\n[Bg. 6.22]\n[The stage of perfection is called trance, or samādhi, when one's mind is completely restrained from material mental activities by practice of yoga. This is characterized by one's ability to see the self by the pure mind and to relish and rejoice in the self. In that joyous state, one is situated in boundless transcendental happiness and enjoys himself through transcendental senses. Established thus, one never departs from the truth, and upon gaining this he thinks there is no greater gain. Being situated in such a position, one is never shaken, even in the midst of greatest difficulty. This indeed is actual freedom from all miseries arising from material contact.]\nIn Bhagavad-gītā you will find. If you are situated in that transcendental position, then there is no more demand. And if you are situated in that position, the greatest difficult position, you'll don't care for it.\nYasmin sthite guruṇāpi duḥkhena. Guruṇ means heaviest type of difficulty, if you are put in, you don't care for it. This is life. Any condition, in any position, you are satisfied. You are not disturbed. That is required. That is called peace. That can be achieved by Kṛṣṇa consciousness, not by any other method.\nAny other question?",
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"content": "\nI have a question. Are you trying to say that human beings are created for sacrifice of God from the beginning to the end?",
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"content": "\n What is your idea?",
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"content": "\n I want your idea.",
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"content": "\n First of all I want your idea. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n I'm here to listen to you.",
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"content": "\n Then you listen. We are listening that you come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and that is perfection.",
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"content": "\n You are a giving a truth, a side, already handed out to me, that you have to be Kṛṣṇa conscious.",
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"content": "\n Because you are not Kṛṣṇa conscious... Because you are not Kṛṣṇa conscious, therefore we have to teach you that you become Kṛṣṇa conscious and you become happy.",
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"content": "\n That's a given truth you are giving to me.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Well, how do you know?",
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"content": "\n How do you know it is not truth?",
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"content": "\n I don't know. I haven't found out.",
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"content": "\n Therefore you take it truth, because we accept the truth from Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n You have accepted it. Have you ever found out?",
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"content": "\n What is that \"found out\"?",
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"content": "\n That being Kṛṣṇa conscious, you're the most happiest person?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n You are?",
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"content": "\n Yes. [chuckles] [laughter] Don't you see practical happiness? I left my home, sannyāsī. I have got my wife. I have got my children..., but how many children I've got... [break] [end]",
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"content": "\n\nyathaidhāṁsi samiddho 'gnir\nbhasmasāt kurute 'rjuna\njñānāgniḥ sarva-karmāṇi\nbhasmasāt kurute tathā\n[Bg 4.37]\n[As the blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities.]\nYathā, \"as,\" as an edhāṁsi. Edhāṁsi means \"fuel.\" Sammidho 'gniḥ, \"blazing fire\"; bhasmasāt, \"turns into ashes.\" Just like blazing fire, whatever you put into it, any fuel, that becomes turned into ashes, similarly, jñānāgniḥ, \"when your fire of knowledge will be ablazed, then sarva-karmāṇi, all reaction of your work, will turned into ashes.\"\nBecause the reaction of our karma, reaction of our work, is the cause of our bondage. There are good work and bad work. Here it is stated, sarva-karmāṇi. Sarva-karmāṇi means either good work or bad work. There are reaction of bad work, and there is reaction of good work. But a, a person who is going to be liberated from this material bondage, for him, both good work and bad work are reprehensible.\nThere is no need of reaction of good work also. In this material world we are attached to perform good work. Not all. Those who are in the modes of goodness, they want to do some good work in the material estimation. And those who are in the modes of passion and ignorance, they do work, bad work, passionate work, work in ignorance. But those who are going to be Kṛṣṇa conscious, they have no need, either this good work or bad work.\nWhy? Now, either you enjoy the reaction of good work or bad work, your material bondage is there. Suppose by bad work I am born... Because, according to work, there are different position of life. Janmaiśvarya-śruta-śrībhir edhamāna-madaḥ pumān [SB 1.8.26].\n[My Lord, Your Lordship can easily be approached, but only by those who are materially exhausted, because one who is on the path of [material] progress, trying to improve himself with respectable parentage, great opulence, high education and bodily beauty, cannot address You with sincere feeling.]\nBy good work we get good heritage, birth in a very good place, in a high family, in rich family, aristocratic family. And with bad work we may get our birth even in the animal kingdom or lower-graded family, poor family. These are Vedic estimation of good work and bad work. But for a person who is going to be Kṛṣṇa conscious, he has no need either for good work or bad work, because he has no need of bondage again.\nSuppose I am born in a very aristocratic family, very rich family. That does not mean that I am getting free from the material miseries. Just like we are sitting here. Some of you are very well situated. Some of you coming from rich family and some of you may not be so rich—from middle-class family. But the temperature of this day is equally heating us. There is no consideration that \"Here is a person who is coming from rich family, so the temperature should be lesser for him.\" No. Therefore, either we enjoy the reaction of good work, either we enjoy the reaction of bad work, we have to accept this material body. And as soon as we accept this material body, we have to undergo the material miseries.\nBut our whole program is... Duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam. Lord Kṛṣṇa says, mām upetya kaunteya duḥkhālayam aśāśvataṁ nāpnuvanti [Bg 8.15].\n[After attaining Me, the great souls, who are yogīs in devotion, never return to this temporary world, which is full of miseries, because they have attained the highest perfection.]\nYou'll find in the Tenth Chapter, the Lord says, \"Anyone who comes to Me or gets Me,\" mām upetya, \"gets Me...\" We can get Kṛṣṇa in this life also, by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just like you get into touch with government if you are engaged in the government service, similarly, if you get into the transcendental service of Kṛṣṇa, then you get into Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says, mām upetya tu kaunteya. Kaunteya means Arjuna. \"O the son of Kuntī, after attainment of Myself by a person, the...\" What is the result? The result is: mām upetya tu kaunteya duḥkhālayam aśāśvataṁ nāpnuvanti [Bg 8.15]: \"He does not get any more to this place of miseries.\"\nThe whole thing is... Now, jñānāgniḥ, knowledge, fire of knowledge. That fire of knowledge does not burn in our mind. You see? Therefore we accept this miserable life as happiness, because there is want of that knowledge. Just like a dog or a hog cannot understand what sort of miserable life he's passing on. He thinks that \"I am all right. I am enjoying life very nicely.\" That is the... That is called covering influence of material energy.\nA person who is suffering... Just like you'll find in the Bowery Street there are so many drunkards lying on the street. Oh, they're also thinking, \"Oh, we are enjoying life, enjoying life.\" But others, who are passing on cars, they are taking sympathy on him, \"Oh, how miserably they are living.\" So that is the way of covering, covering influence of material nature. I am in miserable life, but I accept it, \"Oh, I am very happy. I am very happy.\" This is called ignorance.\nSo when one is awakened to the full knowledge, he understands, \"Oh, I am not happy. Oh, I want freedom. Oh, there is no freedom. I don't want to die, but there is death. I don't want to become old man. Oh, there is old age. I don't want diseases. Oh, there are diseases.\" These are the problems. But due to our ignorance we set aside all these big questions of human problems. We take a small problems as very important.\nWe take economic development as the most important thing, forgetting that how long I shall live here in this material world. So fifty or sixty or hundred years. So economic development or no economic development, my life will be finished. Suppose I develop my economic life in a very..., I accumulate millions of dollars. But when I leave this body I'll leave everything. Then again I take my birth according to my reaction, either in poor family or old, I mean to say, rich family or even animal life. There is no guarantee.\nThis is knowledge. One has to acquire this knowledge. So unless this knowledge is awakened in our mind or in our consciousness, then whatever we are doing we must consider that we are being defeated, defeated by the influence of material nature. So here Kṛṣṇa says, jñānāgniḥ sarva-karmāṇi bhasmasāt kurute tathā. As soon as I understand my position, that I want freedom... We are trying to go to the moon planet, but because there is no freedom, oh, we are failing in every step, although we are advertising in the paper, \"Now it is two years more, two years more.\" The Russians began to sell land in the moon planet, that \"In 1965 we shall go there.\" But 1965... Now it is going to 1967. Now they are silent about selling land in moon planet.\nThe thing is that we want. That is our nature. We want to travel. People are coming from India to America, from America to India. So we want to travel freely. That is my right, because as spirit soul, there is a word... You'll find in the Bhagavad-gītā, sarva-ga. Sarva-ga means a spirit soul has the potency of going anywhere he likes. Anywhere he likes. There are... Actually, those who have attained perfection in yoga... Of course, that is not the highest perfection. Even persons, those who have attained perfection in yoga, they can travel in any planet.\nAnd the perfection of yoga is indicated like this, that a yogī dies according to his own will. He is not, I mean to..., pressed to leave this body just like ordinary people, they leave this body under the pressure of nature's law. So they get so much power. When they find that \"Now I shall leave this body,\" they fix up in which planet they will go, and they transfer their soul into that planet. That is the highest yogic perfection. And hardly you'll find such a yogī.\nSo my point is that the living entity has got the tendency to move freely. To move freely. There are living entities in other, higher planets which is called Siddhaloka. We get this information from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In the Siddhaloka planet there are also living entities, or human being like us. But they are so powerful that, without any help of airplane or without any help of sputnik, they can travel from one planet to another. We have got this information.\nSo our... When we are free from this material bondage we have no information how much powerful we are. We are satisfied here by manufacturing something, sputnik, that we are very much satisfied that we have advanced so much in material science without knowing that without any help of this sputnik and aeroplane, I can travel all planets. That potency I have got. Now, how that potency we can have? That is the thing we should culture. Jñānāgniḥ. And that can be achieved by jñāna, by knowledge.\nThe knowledge... The knowledge... For knowledge, everything is there. We have to accept that. That... Therefore, formerly people used to observe penances and austerity to attain perfection. Now here, in this age, oh, that..., such austerities and penances are not possible. Are not possible. Because our life is very short, and we are always disturbed. Prāyeṇālpāyuṣaḥ kalau asmin yuge janāḥ. Kalau. Kalau means this age, the age of quarrel and insufficiency. This age is called Kali. Kali means \"the age of quarreling.\" We fight. On insignificant questions we fight. Therefore this is called Kali-yuga. So in this yuga we have got very short period of life.\nThat day I was reading from the Twelfth Chapter, er, Twelfth Canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam—perhaps some of you who were present—that in this age the life will be reduced from twenty to thirty years. We have to wait for that time. So gradually, things will deteriorate. Therefore in the Kali-yuga, the yoga practice or the sacrifice or, I mean to say, very pompous worship of God, oh, that is not possible. People are..., have got short life, they are always disturbed. They are disturbed with material disturbances, diseases, and they are unfortunate also. They are not very fortunate. So mandāḥ sumanda-matayo manda-bhāgyā hy upadrutāḥ [SB 1.1.10]. \n[O learned one, in this iron Age of Kali men almost always have but short lives. They are quarrelsome, lazy, misguided, unlucky and, above all, always disturbed.]\nMandāḥ. They are very slow, and also unfortunate. This very word is used in the Bhāgavata. So therefore, in the Kali-yuga, if we want to get all this advantage of knowledge, then the only way is to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. To become Kṛṣṇa conscious. That will help us. If that Kṛṣṇa consciousness is ablaze... That... Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg 7.19].\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nIf we can surrender unto Kṛṣṇa and fully become Kṛṣṇa conscious—just the example Arjuna showed; he became Kṛṣṇa conscious—then our knowledge will be ablaze, and all the reaction of our good work or bad work will be turned into ashes. We shall be purified. Na hi jñānena sadṛśaṁ pavitram iha vidyate [Bg 4.38].\n[In this world, there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental knowledge. Such knowledge is the mature fruit of all mysticism. And one who has achieved this enjoys the self within himself in due course of time.]\nThe Lord says again, \"There is nothing purified things in this material world except jñāna, or knowledge.\" What is that knowledge? That knowledge is that, that \"I am part and parcel of the Supreme Lord. Therefore my business is to dovetail myself with the supreme consciousness. I am individual consciousness, and I shall be dovetailed with the supreme consciousness.\" That is jñāna.\nThis is the purest thing in this material world. Everything is contaminated here by some modes of material nature. Even the modes of material nature of goodness, that is also another kind of contamination. And what to speak of the modes of passion and ignorance. Even goodness... In goodness, one becomes enlightened. He becomes enlightened about his position, about this matter, about transcendental subject. But the defect is there: \"Oh, now I have understood everything, I am all right.\" He wants to stay here. That means a first-class prisoner. And... He's offered all kinds of facilities in the prison house. Oh, he thinks, \"Oh, now I am all right.\"\nSo even the modes of goodness, that is also a cause of our bondage. Therefore we have to transcend even the quality of goodness. Even the quality of goodness we have to transcend. That transcendental position is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The transcendental position is, also begins, ahaṁ brahmāsmi: \"I am Brahman. I am not this matter.\" But that position is also unsettled. Because,\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg 18.54]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nNow, it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, in the brahma-bhūtaḥ stage... Brahma-bhūtaḥ stage means self-realization of transcendental position, that \"I am not this matter; I am spirit soul.\" This realization is called brahma-bhūtaḥ. We are Brahman. We are not matter. But some way or other we have been in contact with the māyā, matter. Therefore, out of ignorance I am identifying myself with this material body. But actually, we are not matter. That we can understand. If I had been matter, then as soon as my, my dead body is there, oh, no matter can revive the life.\nNow they have made so much scientific improvement, material scientific improvement. Now, suppose there is a body, dead body. Now, if the living force was something material, then bring something material and inject in that dead body and get him up again. No, that is not possible, because that spiritual thing is gone, and we have no control over the spiritual matt..., spiritual thing. The spirit soul, that is a superior nature. We have been simply informed in Bhagavad-gītā, that is a superior nature. This is inferior nature. So this inferior nature is my bondage. I am not this inferior nature.\nSo Kṛṣṇa says, na hi jñānena sadṛśaṁ pavitram iha... [Bg 4.38].\n[In this world, there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental knowledge. Such knowledge is the mature fruit of all mysticism. And one who has achieved this enjoys the self within himself in due course of time.]\nSo as soon as we become, I mean to say, revived to our position, brahma-bhūtaḥ, then our first symptom will be prasannātmā. Prasannātmā—we shall be joyful. Prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati. [Bg 18.54]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nThere will be no lamentation and no hankering. But the difficulty is that even if we rise up to the brahma-bhūtaḥ stage and if we do not take to the service of Kṛṣṇa, then there is possibility of falling down again. That information we have got. Āruhya kṛcchreṇa paraṁ padaṁ tataḥ patanty adhaḥ anādṛta-yuṣmad-aṅghrayaḥ [SB 10.2.32].\n[[Someone may say that aside from devotees, who always seek shelter at the Lord's lotus feet, there are those who are not devotees but who have accepted different processes for attaining salvation. What happens to them? In answer to this question, Lord Brahmā and the other demigods said:] O lotus-eyed Lord, although nondevotees who accept severe austerities and penances to achieve the highest position may think themselves liberated, their intelligence is impure. They fall down from their position of imagined superiority because they have no regard for Your lotus feet.]\nJust like you may rise very high in the sky, but if you have no shelter there, if your aeroplane or sputnik fails, then you again you fall down. Again you fall down. So if you rise up to that stage that you can attain some planet and take your rest there, so then there is no possibility of falling down. But so long you are in the sky, oh, there is every chance of falling down, every chance.\nSimilarly, simple understanding of brahma-bhūtaḥ stage will not help me unless I take shelter unto Kṛṣṇa. As soon as I get shelter unto Kṛṣṇa, as soon as I engage myself in the service of Kṛṣṇa, then there is no chance of falling down again into this material world. Because there is engagement. Our nature is such that we want some engagement. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate [Bg 2.59]. \n[The embodied soul may be restricted from sense enjoyment, though the taste for sense objects remains. But, ceasing such engagements by experiencing a higher taste, he is fixed in consciousness.]\nJust like a child. Child is playing all day and doing mischief in the house, and... So he cannot be stopped mischief-doing. He must be given some engagement. If he's given some engagement, some playthings, and if his attention is diverted there, then he'll stop mischief-making in the house. Otherwise, idle brain, devil's workshop. He will go on, go on. So therefore we must have spiritual engagement. Simple understanding that \"I am spirit soul\" will not help me.\nBrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\n[Bg 18.54].\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nThe brahma-bhūtaḥ stage, situation, is that \"I am not matter; I am spirit.\" That's all right. But we have to sustain the spirit. How you can sustain? You can sustain when there is spiritual engagement. Otherwise, it is not possible. Otherwise, I may continue for some time, but there is chance of falling down. Because we have got this information and a practical experience also: great, great, I mean to say, yogīs and jñānīs, they again come.\nWe have some practical experience. Sometimes we find a person leaves all worldly engagements, leaves his family, gives up his family connection, becomes a renounced order, sannyāsī, and highest order, and then, after some time, he becomes engaged in opening hospitals and philanthropic work and in politics. We have seen it. Oh, why? You have renounced the world. Why you are hospital-making business? Hospital-making business is there, going on by the government, by the state. You are not meant for making hospitals. You have to make hospitals how people can get rid of this material body. That is spiritual activity.\nWe also require to open hospital. And what is that hospital? To cure this material disease, not this temporary disease. Again we may be attacked. The complete cure of material disea... That sort of hospital will be required. That hospital is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness Society. If we take treatment under this Kṛṣṇa consciousness Society, then we shall be cured of this material disease. Otherwise, we shall be again attacked with some kind of body.\nVāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya\n[Bg 2.22].\n[As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, similarly, the soul accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.]\nJust like we change our dresses from one dress to another, similarly, this body to another body, transmigration of the soul. But we are meant for now completely ceasing to have any material body in the next life. That should be our aim of life. That is called... That knowledge is called the purest knowledge. Na hi jñānena sadṛśaṁ pavitram iha... That knowledge is the purest knowledge.\nTat svayaṁ yoga-saṁsiddhaḥ kālena ātmani vindati [Bg 4.38]. \n[In this world, there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental knowledge. Such knowledge is the mature fruit of all mysticism. And one who has achieved this enjoys the self within himself in due course of time.]\nNow, by becoming Kṛṣṇa consciousness, by this yoga, bhakti-yoga, you can be successful. Yoga-saṁsiddhaḥ. And, in due course of time, you'll understand that \"Yes, I am in right path. Oh.\" In due course of... Immediately you may be very doubtful, \"Whether I have accepted the right path or not?\" But in kālena, in due course, in due course of time, if you continue the process...\nTherefore in the next verse it is stated, śraddhāvān labhate jñānam [Bg 4.39]. \n[A faithful man who is absorbed in transcendental knowledge and who subdues his senses quickly attains the supreme spiritual peace.]\nŚraddhāvān, one who is faithful, he can take up this knowledge. Faithful. Those who are hesitating, those who have no faith, oh, it is very difficult for them. We have to accept. Because the method is standard, and it is given by the highest authority, Kṛṣṇa, so we must have such faith, \"Oh, here is a thing, authoritative.\" Just like faith in any transaction we have. We must have some faith.\nNow, suppose if I go to California from here, from New York, now, I have purchased the ticket by, going by air. Now, I have got this faith that \"This company, this aeroplane company, will take me to there.\" Maybe there may be some accident, but on faith I accept it, \"Yes, it will take me there.\" When we go to the barber shop, on faith we stretch our neck and the razor is going on. He may at once put into the neck. But you keep the faith, \"Yes, we have got the faith he will not do that.\"\nSo without faith, we cannot make progress. If in ordinary dealings we have to accept faithfully something... Who knows that this aeroplane will take me to California? It may go down to hell, in the oil[?]. The, in the bus there may be some accident. In the railway there may be some accident. There is possibility. But on faith we accept. So if we want to make progress we must have faith.\nAnd where to keep our faith? In the authority. We are not going to book our ticket in an authorized..., unauthorized company. Those who are acknowledged company, we purchase their ticket to go to California. Similarly, here we must have faith in Kṛṣṇa. If you have got this faith in Kṛṣṇa or Lord Jesus Christ or whatever you may have, full of... Without faith, we cannot make progress. That is called faithful. And those who have no faith, they are called faithless. So here it is clearly stated, śraddhāvān labhate jñānam: \"Those who are faithful, they can make progress in this knowledge of spiritual advancement.\" Tat-paraḥ saṁyatendriyaḥ.\nAnd faith, how we become faithful? Now, saṁyata indriya. You have to control the senses. The whole thing is, our material existence is here because we want to gratify senses. That is the whole disease. So this faith of spiritual advancement can be, I mean to say, enhanced when we agree; at the same time, saṁyata indriya. Just like if you are taking treatment of a physician, you have faith, \"All right.\" But the physician says, \"Don't do this,\" and if you do this, then what kind of faith you have got?\nPhysician, when he treats some patient, he prescribes something, \"don't do this\" and \"do this\"; some \"do-nots,\" some \"do.\" Now, if I say, \"My dear physician, I have got all faith in you. Very good. But I cannot follow your instruction. You say, 'Do not.' I do it,\" oh, how you can? How you are faithful? How you are faithful? So śraddhāvān labhate jñānaṁ tat-paraḥ saṁyatendriyaḥ. You have to follow the instruction with faith. Then you get. You have to follow the instruction with faith.\nśraddhāvāl labhate jñānaṁ\ntat-paraḥ saṁyatendriyaḥ\njñānaṁ labdhvā parāṁ śāntim\nacireṇādhigacchati\n[Bg 4.39]\n[A faithful man who is absorbed in transcendental knowledge and who subdues his senses quickly attains the supreme spiritual peace.]\nAnd when the formula is properly executed and he attains to the stage of knowledge, then his profit is, jñānaṁ labdhvā parāṁ śāntim: he gets complete peace, parāṁ śāntim, complete peace. Acireṇa. And that peace is very near to you. In the near future you'll have, if you faithfully follow. Very near, not very long. Acireṇa. Acireṇa means \"very near.\" Very near. Śraddhāvān labhate jñānaṁ tat-paraḥ saṁyatendriyaḥ, jñānaṁ labdhvā. And when that stage you'll achieve, then you'll feel, \"Oh, there is no happiest man in the world like me.\" That stage you will have.\nJust like when the disease is cured, when disease is... Just like you have got some boil, in the boil, in the hand or some part of your body, and the physician says, \"It is... It has to be surgically operated,\" now, with faith you undergo the surgical operation, and during the operation it may seem very severe. You may be feeling very severely. But when the pusses are out and it is bandaged, oh, you'll feel relief: \"Oh, my dear physician, you have done a great deal of progress. You are [indistinct].\" But when the operation was going on, he was at hell.\nSo this is the thing. With faith, we have to accept the formula, and we have to execute it. But if you do it... Because the authority is there. We are keeping our faith not to a third-class person. To the supreme authority, Kṛṣṇa. We have to understand first. Therefore we have discussed this point. Tad-vijñānārtham..., tad viddhi praṇipātena [Bg 4.34].\n[Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.]\nFor attain, attainment of knowledge, we have to approach such a person where we can keep our faith. If we are faithless, if you keep..., if we go somewhere where we cannot keep our faith... That is also necessary. We must find out such a person who is actually worth for keeping my faith. If we find out a third-class person and keep my faith, then there may be dangerous thing.\nSo here, Kṛṣṇa is the most authorized personality. Now, anyone who is actually Kṛṣṇa conscious, Kṛṣṇa conscious, then you can accept him as the same as Kṛṣṇa. Because a person who is fully in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is the bona fide representative of Kṛṣṇa. He's the bona fide representative of Kṛṣṇa. So keeping faith on Kṛṣṇa or to His bona fide representative is the same thing. So that śraddhāvān, if you follow, saṁyatendriya, with controlled senses, then your result is guaranteed, and you'll feel it.\nHow you'll feel it? Just like you are hungry and if you are given some food, foodstuff and you eat it, and as you eat it, you feel that \"Yes, I am feeling satisfaction,\" so you'll feel it. You won't have to ask anybody that \"Whether I am making progress nor not?\" You yourself will feel it. Acireṇa. Acireṇa śāntim adhi... You will feel full peace, acireṇa, very soon.\nThen ajñaś cāśraddadhānaś ca saṁśayātmā vinaśyati. And those who are faithless or hesitating, oh, they have no chance. They have no chance. Ajñaś ca. That hesitation is due to also ignorance. Ajñaś ca aśraddadhānaḥ. And ignorant and faithless. Saṁśayātmā, hesitating. Vinaśyati: \"He is hopeless.\" Nāyaṁ lokaḥ asti na paraḥ na sukhaṁ saṁśayātmanaḥ [Bg 4.40]:\n[But ignorant and faithless persons who doubt the revealed scriptures do not attain God consciousness; they fall down. For the doubting soul there is happiness neither in this world nor in the next.]\n\"Anyone who is hesitating in accepting this principle of knowledge, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, for him,\" nāyaṁ loko 'sti, \"not even this material world will be happy. And what to speak of his next life.\" If he has no faith, then even in this material world he'll be unhappy. The material world is unhappy. It is all already miserable. It will be more miserable. He'll feel always disturbed, miserable, faithless. So for a faithless, the situation is very precarious.\nSo here is an authoritative version in the authoritative book, Bhagavad-gītā. And spoken by the Lord Himself, Śrī Kṛṣṇa. And if we accept faithfully, with confidence, that \"Here is an authority...\" Just the same way that when I am purchasing a ticket from a recognized company... Just like I am keeping my money in some bank, thousands of dollars. Why? With faith. With faith. They have created some faith. Otherwise, thousands and thousands of dollars are coming in the bank. Why? There is faith. Who knows? The bank may fail or may not pay. Because the money's out of my hand, now they may not pay it. It may be. But because I have faith, I am putting my money there. So faith is required.\nWhere? Authority. Here is authority. Why are you putting our money in the bank? Because you have got faith. We have confidence that \"This bank will not fail.\" Similarly, if we can keep our faith in an ordinary bank or a traveling agent, can we not keep our faith Kṛṣṇa, who is accepted as the Supreme Personality of Godhead by all other big authorities, even by Śaṅkarācārya, Rāmānujācārya, Lord Caitanya and all these?\nSo we have to follow the footprints of great authorities. Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc Madhya 17.186].\n[Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu continued, ”’Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated, self-realized person. Consequently, as the śāstras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahājanas advocate.’]\nHe'll be situat... Just like we also follow others. Just like if I put some money in a bank, I see, \"So many people are keeping their money. So I may also keep.\" So if Kṛṣṇa has been accepted as the supreme authority by so many big, big men, why should we not keep our faith in Kṛṣṇa? Or Jesus Christ? That's all right. We must keep our faith, and faithfully we shall discharge our duties. And if we follow that principle, the result is guaranteed.\nThank you very much. Any question, you can ask.\nWhy the door is closed? [indistinct comment by guest] Come here. Eh?",
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"content": "\n Yes. This transcendental sound is a process of cleansing our mind. This is also transcendental sound. This is not ordinary sound. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc Antya 20.12].\n[Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.]\nThe whole thing is due to our unclean mind. So this transcendental sound is the process of cleaning the mouth[?], and in clean..., in clean mind, we can accept transcendental subject. Otherwise it is sometimes disturbing. So this...",
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"content": "\n Cleanse the mind.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes?",
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"content": "\n In other words, you don't want to negate the senses?",
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"content": "\n In other words, there's no negation of the senses?",
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"content": "\n No negation?",
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"content": "\n Of the senses.",
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"content": "\nGovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi. [devotees chant responsively]\n\nnaivātmanaḥ prabhur ayaṁ nija-lābha-pūrṇo\nmānaṁ janād aviduṣaḥ karuṇo vṛṇīte\nyad yaj jano bhagavate vidadhīta mānaṁ\ntac cātmane prati-mukhasya yathā mukha-śrīḥ\n[SB 7.9.11]\n[The Supreme Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is always fully satisfied in Himself. Therefore when something is offered to Him, the offering, by the Lord's mercy, is for the benefit of the devotee, for the Lord does not need service from anyone. To give an example, if one's face is decorated, the reflection of one's face in a mirror is also seen to be decorated.]\nNow in the previous verse it has been explained that neither any material opulence nor a qualified brāhmaṇa with twelve high qualification can satisfy the Lord simply by such acquisition. One can satisfy the Lord simply by love and devotional service. Why? Doesn't He not... Then why so much opulence is created in erecting nice temple or churches, and so much money is expended? Does it not satisfy the Lord? Why they are spending so much money?\nThe modern economist says that this is unproductive investment. Because if you construct a very big temple... Just like in India we have got many temples, especially in South India, each of them is just like a fort, very big fort. There is a temple in Raṅganātham, it is a few miles' temple. There are seven gates. Very big temple.\nMany other temples. Similarly, in your country also there are many nice churches. I have traveled all over America, and I have seen very big churches. Here also, in Montreal, there are many big churches. So why they are spending so much money, although the modern economist will say it is nonproductive investment?\nSo this church building or temple building or mosque building is coming down from time immemorial. People are investing their money, hard-earned money. Why? Uselessly? Nonproductive? No. They do not know. They do not know how much productive that is. Therefore in this godless civilization they have stopped building nice, decorated...\nIn Vṛndāvana there is a temple of Govindajī that was seven-storied. Four stories was broken by Aurangzeb on political grounds. Still, three stories are still remaining. If somebody goes there, he'll see how wonderful workmanship is there in that temple. So does it mean that those kings or rich men, they were all fools? Simply at the present moment we are very intelligent? No. They are not fools.\nThat is explained in the Prahlāda Mahārāja's prayers: naivātmanaḥ prabhur ayaṁ nija-lābha-pūrṇo [SB 7.9.11]. You cannot satisfy the Supreme Lord by constructing a nice temple, but still He is satisfied. Still, He is satisfied. He is nija-lābha-pūrṇo. He is fully satisfied in Himself because He has no want. We are in want. Suppose I am renting one small apartment.\nIf somebody says, \"Swāmījī, come on. I shall construct a very nice, palatial temple. You come here.\" Oh, I shall be very much obliged. But does Kṛṣṇa, or God, is like that? He can construct so many nice planets, not only one, two, but millions and billions, with so many nice oceans and hills and mountains and forests, and full of living entities. And why He is hankering after a temple constructed by me? No. That is not the fact.\nThe fact is that these fools, these rascals who are thinking that this world is for their enjoyment, this money belongs to him... It is stated here, aviduṣaḥ. Aviduṣaḥ means rascal, without any education. Without any education. \"They have got all these university degrees, and without education?\" Yes. \"Why?\" Because they have no spiritual education. So aviduṣaḥ.\nSo mānaṁ janam aviduṣaḥ karuṇo vṛṇīte [SB 7.9.11]. When Kṛṣṇa says or God says that \"Give Me this...\" Just like He is begging from Bali Mahārāja, Vāmanadeva, \"My dear King, will you give Me a little land?\" So his spiritual master, he was a demon. He forbade Bali Mahārāja not to promise, because He is Viṣṇu. \"He'll take everything from you.\" That's a nice story.\nSome of you know how Bali Mahārāja became a great devotee of the Lord. Now here it is stated that mānaṁ janād aviduṣaḥ karuṇo vṛṇīte [SB 7.9.11]. Whatever He wants from any person, provided he is a devotee... The Lord does not accept anything from nondevotee. That is clearly stated in Bhagavad-gītā. Patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati [Bg. 9.26]. \n[If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.]\nHere it is stated, nija-lābha-pūrṇo. He is so opulent that He has no hankering. Complete. Ṣaḍ-aiśvarya pūrṇaḥ. He is complete with full six opulences. He is the richest, He is the wisest, He is the most famous, He is the most strong, influential, and renounced order. Everything is complete there. Then why He is asking that patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati [Bg. 9.26]? He is so rich, so opulent, still He is begging that \"Little flower, a little water, a little fruit, if offered to Me with devotion and love, I accept and eat it.\"\nSo the real fact is that we have lost our devotion, faith, in God. So He is begging therefore that love and faith. Not your money. Because He is already opulent. What you can give Him? And what belongs to you? Nothing belongs to you. You come from the womb of your mother openhanded, and when you die you go openhanded. So what does it belong to you? Nothing belongs to you. That's a fact. Simply by illusion you come here for some days and you think, \"This is mine.\" That's all. This is called māyā. Actually, nothing belongs to you. Everything belongs to God, or Kṛṣṇa. But you claim that it belongs to you. That is your māyā.\nTherefore here it is said, mānaṁ janād aviduṣaḥ karuṇo vṛṇīte. Out of His causeless mercy He begs sometimes, \"Give Me this.\" Just like sometimes father asks his child, \"My dear boy, will you kindly give me a little cake from your portion?\" And if the child is very fond of her [him], immediately gives. And sometimes he refuses, \"No, I shall not give it.\" Similarly, Kṛṣṇa is full. Why He's begging? He's begging your love. That's all. Whenever Kṛṣṇa wants some service from you or begs something from you, it does not mean that He is in need of it. He is not in need of it. But He is in need of your love because you have forgotten how to love God, how to love Kṛṣṇa. That He is practiced[?].\nThere is a story that some sannyāsī went to a householder, because a sannyāsī goes to householder for begging. They are begging also like that. They are not beggars, but they introduce as beggar so that the householder may receive and take some advantage of his knowledge. He is not beggar. So one beggar went to a householder, and the housewife said, \"Oh, this beggar has come from door to door. Give him some ashes.\" So the sannyāsī replied, \"All right. Give me some ashes. Just begin your charity.\" \"Just begin your charity.\"\nSo similarly, Kṛṣṇa, when He wants, \"Give Me a little flower, a little fruit, a little water,\" it does not mean that He is begging. He is just inducing me to the practice of offering everything which belongs to Kṛṣṇa.\nīśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvaṁ\nyad kiñcid jagatyāṁ jagat\ntena tyaktena bhuñjīthā\nmā gṛdhaḥ kasya svid dhanam\n[Īśo mantra 1]\n[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]\nThe Īśopaniṣad instructs us that everything that is within your vision, it belongs to Īśa, the Supreme Lord. Whatever you see, whatever you have got, that does not belong to you; it belongs to God. Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā. This is the first verse in Īśopaniṣad. Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā. You can simply enjoy whatever is given to you as prasādam. Mā gṛdhaḥ kasya svid dhanam. Don't touch any other's property. This is the instruction of Īśopaniṣad.\nSo we have forgotten this. So in order to instruct us the principle that everything belongs to God, this is the beginning, that we should try to offer whatever we have got. Kṛṣṇa is ready to accept from you a little bit of water, little bit of flower, a little bit of leaf or fruit. Practically it has no value, but when you begin to give to Kṛṣṇa, then gradually a time will come when you'll be prepared to give everything to Kṛṣṇa like the gopīs. This is the process. Sarvātmanā. Sarvātmanā. Sarvātmanā means with everything. That is our natural life. When we are in consciousness that \"Nothing belongs to me. Everything belongs to God, and everything is meant for God's enjoyment, not for my sense enjoyment,\" that is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nKṛṣṇa consciousness means to be situated in the actual fact. Whenever we claim something that \"This is mine,\" it is called moha, illusion. Ahaṁ mameti [SB 5.5.8]. \n[The attraction between male and female is the basic principle of material existence. On the basis of this misconception, which ties together the hearts of the male and female, one becomes attracted to his body, home, property, children, relatives and wealth. In this way one increases life's illusions and thinks in terms of \"I and mine.\"]\nJanasya moho ayam. This conception of \"mine\" and \"I\" is the platform of illusion. Janasya moho 'yam. This world, whole world, is moving under this illusion that \"I am this body, and everything...\" \"I am the monarch of all I survey.\" This is the philosophy. \"Whatever I can acquire, that is mine.\" This is wrong. This is called illusion.\nTherefore we should try to give to Kṛṣṇa, not to ask. Because He has given us everything without asking. Without asking. We go to temple or churches to ask for our daily bread, but the birds and beasts, they have no churches, no temples, they do not ask. But how do they get their bread? Therefore according to Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, there is no actually bread problem. The only problem is that we have forgotten our relationship with God. Whatever... Tasyaiva hetoḥ prayateta kovido [\nSB\n 1.5.18].\n[Persons who are actually intelligent and philosophically inclined should endeavor only for that purposeful end which is not obtainable even by wandering from the topmost planet [Brahmaloka] down to the lowest planet [Pātāla]. As far as happiness derived from sense enjoyment is concerned, it can be obtained automatically in course of time, just as in course of time we obtain miseries even though we do not desire them.]\nTherefore the instruction of Bhāgavata is, \"Just try to revive your lost relationship with God, or Kṛṣṇa.\" That relationship is never extinguished, but sometimes it is covered. Just like a crazy boy forgets his father and mother and home, goes away. But the relationship between the son and the parents cannot be lost. As soon as the son comes back, the parents receives him very nicely. Similarly, we are all sons of the Supreme Lord.\nWe have forgotten our father, we have forgotten our relationship, and we are loitering in this material world as helpless, and if we revive our consciousness, our Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that \"My home is in the spiritual world. I am a foreigner in this material world...\" Just like a foreigner is traveling from one place to another, similarly, I am also changing my body from one body to another, one planet to another. But there is no permanent settlement anywhere in this material world. This is our condition.\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness means to be rightly situated in the original consciousness that we are all sons of God, Kṛṣṇa. We have got eternal relationship with Him, and He is the richest, the most opulent. As a rich man's son has no scarcity, no want, everything is supplied amply... Just like the Americans, they are... American or many other Western countries, the young men, they belong to a rich nation, so practically they have no want.\nBut still, why they are becoming hopeless and confused? Because this material want is not all. There is spiritual want. Unless that spiritual want is fulfilled, unless that spiritual relationship is reestablished, nobody can be happy. So in order to make us happy, Kṛṣṇa says that \"Begin with little flower, little water or little fruit, and try to offer Me.\"\nmānaṁ janād aviduṣaḥ karuṇo vṛṇīte\nyad yaj jano bhagavate vidadhīta mānaṁ\ntac cātmane prati-mukhasya yathā mukha-śrīḥ\n[SB 7.9.11]\n[The Supreme Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is always fully satisfied in Himself. Therefore when something is offered to Him, the offering, by the Lord's mercy, is for the benefit of the devotee, for the Lord does not need service from anyone. To give an example, if one's face is decorated, the reflection of one's face in a mirror is also seen to be decorated.]\nJust like if you decorate your face very nicely, how your face has become beautiful you cannot see. You cannot see. But as soon as you bring one mirror before your face, you'll see that in the mirror the reflection of your face is very nicely decorated. The same example is given here. We are reflection. We are reflection of God. Just like in the Bible it is said, \"Man is made after God.\" God is not made after man. That is a mistake. The modern atheist class of men, they suggest that we manufacture a form of God according to our own form. Just like Kṛṣṇa and Rādhā, the picture is there. They allege that we have made a Kṛṣṇa form—maybe very beautiful—according to my form. But actually it is not.\nThe Biblical truth is that man is made after God. Because we are sons of God, therefore God has got two hands, you have got also two hands. Just like your father has got two hands and you have got two hands, so you are made according to the body of your father, not that your father's body is made after your body. This is rationalism. Similarly, God's body is not made according to your body, but your body is made according to God's body. But this body is material; therefore we have to change. When we come to the spiritual platform, we get as good a body as that of Kṛṣṇa, which is eternal, full of bliss and full of knowledge. This is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nNow here it is said, yad yaj jano bhagavate vidadhīta mānam [SB 7.9.11]. Whatever you are offering to Kṛṣṇa... Practically, we see that we are offering so many nice foodstuff to Kṛṣṇa, but Kṛṣṇa, apparently it appears that Kṛṣṇa has not eaten. The prasādam is distributed among the devotees. Similarly, whatever is offered to the Supreme Lord, He is not in need of it, but He accepts it. He spiritualizes it, and it is meant for you. You are gainer. Whenever there is some special function to offer some nice foodstuff to the Lord, you can take the prasādam, so actual gainer you are. But you are gainer in both ways. You taste very nice foodstuff, at the same time you regain your spiritual consciousness.\nSo yad yaj bhagavat..., yad yaj jano bhagavate vidadhīta mānam [SB 7.9.11]. Whatever honor, respect or presentation is given to the Lord, it is enjoyed by Him. It is enjoyed by Him. So how it is so? Just the same example: just like you decorate your face, but you cannot see directly how your face is beautiful. But when you put your mirror before the face, on the reflection you see very nice decoration. Similarly, if you decorate the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa... That is the system of temple worship: very nicely decorated temple, very nicely decorated Deity, all nice foodstuff offered to the Deity—you will feel enjoyment. The more you do that, you'll feel enjoyment.\nIt is not nonproductive. It is very spiritually productive process. Yad yaj jano vidadhīta. Ayaṁ prabhur īśvara. Īśvara. Prabhu means īśvara. Naivātmanaḥ prabhur ayaṁ nija-lābha-pūrṇo [SB 7.9.11]. Prabhu means īśvara. Prabhu means master, controller. If a person is controller, master of a big establishment, so what the laborer can offer him? He is already the proprietor. So here it is said, īśvara aviduṣaḥ akalpād janād mānaṁ pūjām ātmano 'rthe na vṛṇīte [SB 7.9.11]. So do not foolishly think that the prescription given in the śāstras that whatever you have got, offered to Kṛṣṇa or offered to God, it is not that God is in want; it is your interest. The more you give to God, the more you become benefited. It is your interest.\nBut the foolish persons, they do not know it. Therefore God... Like Bali Mahārāja. He goes, like Vāmanadeva, He goes to beg from Bali Mahārāja. And His representative, devotees of God, sannyāsīs, they also go to beg: \"My dear sir, give us some contribution for our temple.\" It is not that he's beggar. It is for the person's benefit. He's spoiling his life in sense enjoyment, and this representative goes to him and takes some money from that hell-going activity and offers it to the Deity, so he'll be saved. Svalpam apy asya dharmasya trāyate mahato bhayāt [Bg. 2.40].\n[In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution, and a little advancement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear.]\nWillingly or unwillingly, if you offer something to God, that will be a permanent credit. A permanent credit. Svalpam apy asya dharmasya trāyate mahato bhayāt [Bg. 2.40].\n[In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution, and a little advancement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear.]\nEven little done, it can act so nicely that sometimes it can save you from the greatest danger.\nJust like Ajāmila. The story of Ajāmila is that he was a son of a brāhmaṇa, and he was very nice boy. He was married, and he was acting just like a brāhmaṇa boy. One day he went to collect some flowers and some wood from the forest for his father's worship. His father was worshiping Deity, and he was helping. On the path he saw that one śūdra and his wife, without any shame, they were embracing and kissing. This young boy became attracted.\nTherefore this system, that loving exchange or affairs should not be exhibited on the street. This is not very civilized form. In India it is not at all allowed. It is calculated indecent. There is punishment by law. But here the practice is different. But why it is so strict according to Vedic scripture? Here is the example. A young man was passing, and another young man and girl was embracing. Naturally he became excited. And of course, this kind of embracing and kissing on the public street is done not by any high class. So he was a śūdra.\nSo this Ajāmila was standing there, and the śūdrāṇī, or the śūdra woman, also called, and he became more excited, and he embraced and kissed her, and gradually became attracted to her. And he left his wife and home and father and mother, then became drunkard and everything for that prostitute. At the last moment, when he was old enough, when he could not earn, he could not cheat to bring money, the man Ajāmila was thrown in the street by that woman. Because she was not his legalized wife, she was prostitute, so did not like him.\nBut this man had a youngest son whose name was Nārāyaṇa. So when he was in precarious condition, he was just asking his youngest son Nārāyaṇa, \"My dear boy, please come here.\" And by reciting this word \"Nārāyaṇa,\" he remembered the same Nārāyaṇa whom he worshiped in his early age. Just see. Because under the direction of his father, as a brāhmaṇa boy he was being trained up to become a devotee of Nārāyaṇa, but unfortunately, he was misled by a prostitute, but still, he was saved at the last moment. And this is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā, svalpam apy asya dharmasya trāyate mahato bhayāt [Bg. 2.40].\n[In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution, and a little advancement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear.]\nSo anybody who is chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, even for a moment, it will never go in vain. It will act. It will act, and it will act so nicely that sometimes you'll be saved from the greatest danger. That experience some of our students have already expressed. One girl is present here, she also experienced this. She was attacked by some black Negroes, and she began to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, and she was saved. So these things are actual fact. There are many instances. So svalpam apy asya trāyate mahato [Bg. 2.40]. So anything, a little flower, a little fruit, a little water, you offer to Kṛṣṇa, or if you chant for a little while Hare Kṛṣṇa, or if you make association with devotees for a moment, this will never go in vain.\nSo the purpose of opening so many centers of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is to give chance to these forgotten men, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is not a business. It is a charitable institution. It is hospital to cure the material disease. So unfortunately, people are not taking very much advantage, but those who are fortunate, ei rūpe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kono bhāgyavān jīva [Cc. Madhya 19.151]. \n[“According to their karma, all living entities are wandering throughout the entire universe. Some of them are being elevated to the upper planetary systems, and some are going down into the lower planetary systems. Out of many millions of wandering living entities, one who is very fortunate gets an opportunity to associate with a bona fide spiritual master by the grace of Kṛṣṇa. By the mercy of both Kṛṣṇa and the spiritual master, such a person receives the seed of the creeper of devotional service.]\nBhāgyavān. So only the fortunate persons. As it is also expressed in the Bhagavad-gītā, yeṣām anta-gataṁ pāpam [Bg. 7.28].\n[Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life, whose sinful actions are completely eradicated and who are freed from the duality of delusion, engage themselves in My service with determination.]\nOne who is completely free from all sinful reaction, such person can take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But the door is open for everyone. Everyone can come here and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. It is not difficult job. We distribute prasādam. So take advantage and be benefited in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nThank you. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [break]",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, in one of Professor Sanyal's books he says that the mind is an organ of the soul. Is that correct? I always thought the mind was part of the material..., the subtle body, the subtle material body.",
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"content": "\n No. Organ of the self. It is covered by the material energy. Originally, you have got everything. You have got mind, ego and everything. Just like when I think ahaṁ brahmāsmi, \"I am servant of Kṛṣṇa,\" that is also ego, \"I am.\" But that is pure. But as soon as I think \"I am American,\" \"I am Indian,\" \"I am this body,\" that is impure. This is impure egoism, and that is pure egoism.\nSo ego is there. Similarly, mind is also there, intelligence is also there, but when it is covered by this material contamination it is called māyā, and when it is out of material contamination, ahaṁ brahmāsmi, \"I am servant of Kṛṣṇa. I shall act for Kṛṣṇa, I shall live for Kṛṣṇa, I shall eat for Kṛṣṇa, I shall prepare foodstuff for Kṛṣṇa, I shall sing for Kṛṣṇa—everything Kṛṣṇa,\" that is liberated stage.",
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"content": "\n So that mind is part of the soul. It's just, it's polluted.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is a symptom of... Mind is the active principle. Without mind, how can you act? The mind is there. But at the present moment, becoming covered by the material energy, everything is contaminated. Mind is contaminated, the intelligence is contaminated, the ego is contaminated, I, or self, I am contaminated. Everything is contaminated.\nWhen you have got fever, there is pain all over the body. There is temperature all over the body. And when the fever is off, there is no temperature. Similarly, it is the difference of consciousness only. As soon as we take material consciousness, it is to be understood in feverish condition. And as soon as we take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we are out of feverish condition.\nYou want to ask? Yes, you can ask.",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, what is... The material elements are described, the mind, intelligence and false ego. What's the..., what is that mind, you know, that material mind? In other words, there's a spiritual mind and a material mind?",
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"content": "\n What is the difference of your material life and spiritual life?",
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"content": "\n That is the difference between material mind and spiritual mind. Because you are thinking that you are this body, this is material conception. Therefore everything is material—mind, intelligence and identification, everything material. Similarly, if you think, that thinking means mind, that you are Kṛṣṇa's, then everything is spiritual. That we have to practice. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nWe have to keep ourselves always in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Īhā yasya harer dāsye. And what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness? Kṛṣṇa consciousness means to... Īhā. Īhā means desire. Desire is a function of mind. So īhā means desire. So what is that desire? Īhā yasya harer dāsye: anyone whose desire is to engage himself in the service of Kṛṣṇa.\nSo whole Kṛṣṇa consciousness activity is purification of the mind, of the intelligence, of the ego, everything, purifying process. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. The impurification is that upādhi, designation. I'm thinking, \"I am American,\" \"I am Indian.\" This is designation. Actually, spirit soul is neither American nor Indian nor Hindu nor Muslim. So one has to get out of this entanglement, material entanglement. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170].\n[“’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nAnd how one can become purified? Tat-paratvena, when he identifies himself ahaṁ brahmāsmi, \"I am servant of Kṛṣṇa. I am Brahman, I am pure self. I'm not matter. I'm not this body.\" This is the stage of purification. And when one is purified, then hṛṣīkena hṛṣīkeśa-sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate. Hṛṣīka means senses. So mind is also one of the senses. There are eleven senses: five senses gathering knowledge and five senses working, and mind is the center. So mind is also accepted as sense. So hṛṣīkena hṛṣīkeśa-sevanam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. When your purified senses are applied in the service of the master of the senses, Hṛṣīkeśa, that is called bhakti. This is the definition of bhakti.\nSo mind required there. You are thinking that \"I shall decorate Kṛṣṇa in such a way.\" That is a function of mind. And as soon as you think that \"I shall decorate my such-and-such person in this way,\" that is māyā. So mind is there. Sometimes it is acting for māyā, and when it is acting for Kṛṣṇa, then it is purified. So in the Kṛṣṇa consciousness nothing has to be eradicated. Everything has to be purified. This is the Kṛṣṇa consciousness process.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n ...when they go back to Godhead, some people can remember their past lives.",
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"content": "\n Some people can remember their past lives.",
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"content": "\n In the mind.",
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"content": "\n I thought the mind was left behind.",
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"content": "\n No. Actually mind carries you to the next body. So mind goes with you. The material mind, material ego, material intelligence become nil when you are completely liberated. But at that time your spiritual mind acts. It is not very difficult to understand. Somebody is acting under the impression...\nJust like one of our student, he was acting under the impression that he is Frenchman and doing something subversive, and now he is thinking that \"I am Kṛṣṇa's.\" [chuckles] He has stopped all those nonsense.\n[break] When he was thinking that he's a Frenchman, that mind was there. And now he's thinking that \"I am Kṛṣṇa's,\" the mind is there. So where is the chance of losing the mind?\nYou want to question anything?\n[break] This boy?",
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"content": "\n She. It's a girl.",
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"content": "\n It is a girl? Oh. That's all right. [chuckles] So any other question? Otherwise chant Kṛṣṇa. Yes?",
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"content": "\n I don't understand how materialistic people, if they have material minds, they can remember their past lives.",
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"content": "\n Material mind has to be treated by spiritual medicine, then the material mind will be spiritual. Just the same example, that a man has got some bowel disturbance by drinking excessive milk, and the physician gives him another milk preparation, curd, and he is cured.\nSimilarly, the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is just to treat the mind by Kṛṣṇa engagement. Then he becomes freed from material contamination. And actually it is happening. Those who are taking to this treatment, they are experiencing how it is happening.\n[aside:] The door is closed? Why? Open. Chant.\n[kīrtana] [end]",
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"content": "\n Govindam ādi-puruṣam tam ahaṁ bhajāmi **. We are worshiping the original person, ādi-puruṣam. Original person... As we are all persons, our origin also a person. We should always understand this. Ādi-puruṣam. The same example: unless my forefather was a person, how his son, his son, his son, his son—I am the last—we are persons? So the original father, the supreme father, or God, or Kṛṣṇa, must be a person, not imperson. We should always remember. Govindam ādi-puruṣam tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\nSo Śukadeva Gosvāmī is recommending that either you go through this austerity process, brahmacarya, śama, dama, titikṣa, dhana, satya, śauca, yama, niyama [Bg. 18.42], so many items... Either you go through this process to come to the platform of your spiritual understanding, or kecid, those who are fortunate, kecid kevalayā bhaktyā, the same result is open. Sometimes other people, the so-called yogīs, jñānīs, karmīs, or followers of religious, ritualistic ceremonies, they think, \"How it is possible that these Hare Kṛṣṇa people have become so quickly self-realized simply by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, without undergoing so many processes?\" That is the gift of Lord Caitanya.\nCaitanya, Lord Caitanya seeing..., or Lord Kṛṣṇa... Lord Caitanya, Kṛṣṇa—the same person. Kṛṣṇa is Supreme Person. Lord Caitanya is the same Supreme Person, but He's teaching us how to approach the Supreme Person. Just like sometimes my disciple, massaging my body, I take his hand and show him: \"Do like this.\" Actually I am not massaging, but I am teaching him. It is not that I am massaging him. Similarly, when Kṛṣṇa comes as a devotee, Lord Caitanya, He shows the way how to approach Kṛṣṇa.\nKṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne, namo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te [Cc. Madhya 19.53]. Lord Caitanya was worshiped by Rūpa Gosvāmī as the greatest munificent personality, or incarnation, because He was distributing kṛṣṇa-prema, love of Kṛṣṇa, very easily, so that this system was acceptable even by a child. So easy—by simply chanting and dancing. Here, Śukadeva Gosvāmī says kecid. Kecid means some fortunate person. It is not for all. For general people, one has to undergo the regular process of austerity, but one who knows, or one who is fortunate to have the mercy of Lord Caitanya and His disciplic succession, such person, kecid, someone...\nAnd in the Bhagavad-gītā also it is said, manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu [Bg. 7.3]: out of many thousands, hundreds of thousands men, manuṣyāṇām... Especially it is said manuṣyāṇāṁ. Manuṣya means human being. Manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu. God realization is not meant for the animals or persons who are almost animals, or animals in the shape of human beings. Animals. At the present moment, in the shape of human being, the population is animal, assembly of animals, because they do not know beyond the animal propensities.\nThe animal propensities... The animal is busy all day. The bird or any beast, rising early in the morning, they are busy: \"Where there is some food? Where there is some sex? How to defend?\" Then at night, \"How to take shelter and sleep?\" They have got their own arrangement. In the morning they know that \"In that tree there are some fruits. Let us go there.\" So they fly. Āhāra: eating. As we go to office...\nIn your this New York City, thousands of people are coming from other islands by the ferry boat, waiting for the bus, going to the office. What is the purpose? The purpose is, \"Where is food?\" The birds are also going. So you have made ferry boat and nice—so many not nice, very nice; it is crowded always. But you have to come. For your bread, you have to go fifty miles, forty miles. But the birds are free to fly from one tree to another tree without any bus, without any ferry boat.\nSo the problem—eating, sleeping, mating—these problems are there amongst the living entities other than human being. Other than human being, they're many. If you take a census of the living entities in different categories, how many human beings are there in this city, how many sparrows are there, how many pigeons are there, how many dogs are there, how many trees are there, how many insects are there—they're all living entities—the number of other than human being will be far, far greater. The votes will be smaller in number. If the municipality, city, or the government said, \"Everyone can vote, all living entities,\" then your vote will be lost, because you are very small in number.\nOther living entities, they are very great. Even from the holes of your room, many thousands of ants will come. They are also living entities. Why don't you..., why do you say that they are not living entities? They are living en... They are also eating; you are also eating. They're also sleeping; you are also sleeping. They're also mating; you are also mating. They're also defending. The small ants, they are defending. They enter into the hole of your room. You do not know where the ants live, but they defend. You cannot capture them.\nSo these policies—eating, sleeping, mating and defending—they're in all living entities. That is the, I mean, the general law for every living entity. So if you are simply engaged in this eating, sleeping, mating and defending, then what is the difference? That is the defect of modern civilization. If you think that \"We have very scientifically running on, so many slaughterhouses, eating purposes,\" so that is not advancement of civilization. The..., in that sense, a tiger is better situated. He hasn't got to keep a slaughterhouse. By nature, he has got nails and jaws: immediately attack and finish.\nSo these things are not advancement of civilization. Real civilization is how to understand your relationship with God, the supreme father. That is real civilization. You may learn it through any process. It doesn't matter. You learn your relationship with the supreme father through this Christianity. That's all right. Or through Vedic process. That's all right. Or Muhammadan, Koran process. That's all right. But you learn it.\nOur Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is not that we are out to make Christians Hindus, or Hindus Christian, or Muhammadan... No. Our propaganda is not that. Our propaganda is that \"You are human being. Your business is to understand your relationship with God.\" That's all. You learn it. Anywhere you learn it, but you learn it. Otherwise you are simply wasting your time by animal propensities.\nSo you are nobody's enemy; you are everyone's friend, because we are showing the right way. Try to love Kṛṣṇa, or God. That's all. If you have got any own process, do it. Otherwise, please come to us. Learn it. Why one should grudge? Nīcād apy uttamāṁ strī-ratnaṁ duṣkulād api [Nīti-darpaṇa 1.16]. Cāṇakya Paṇḍita says that you have to catch up the right thing from any source. It doesn't matter. He gives example: viṣād api amṛtaṁ grāhyam. If there is a pitcher of poison, but if there is some nectarine over the pitcher, you catch it, take it out. Don't take the poison, but take the nectarine. Amedhyād api kāñcana. If you find that in a filthy place there is some gold, take it out. You are not to take the filthy stool, but you take the gold.\nNīcād apy uttamāṁ vidyām. Nīcā. According to Vedic system, education has to be taken from high class, intellectual person like the brāhmaṇas. But if you find that a person who is not a brāhmaṇa—he's less than a brāhmaṇa, or even lower caste—but if he has got some nice education, just accept him as your teacher and learn. Not that \"Because he's lowborn or not brāhmaṇa, I shall not take the education from him.\" The point is that you have to take the education.\nAnd strī-ratnaṁ duṣkulād api. In India, still, the marriage takes place in equal family. The boy and the girl must be equally rich, equally cultured, equally educated. Equality. They find out. Even by horoscope, they test whether their astronomical calculations are also equal, so that after marriage they may not be unhappy. So many things, they are taken care of by the parents, and the marriage takes place. It is not that in youthful age the boy and girl mixes and... No. There are so many. But these things are now gone.\nSo the point is that they were calculating especially to accept a girl from a family, they must be equal. But Cāṇakya Paṇḍita says that if a girl is well qualified, strī-ratna... Strī-ratna means... Ratna means jewel. If a girl is just like jewel, very qualified, even she is born in low family, accept her. Nīcād apy uttamāṁ vidyāṁ strī-ratnaṁ duṣkulād api. Duṣkulād api means born of low family. Never mind. Don't care for her parentage. If she's qualified, accept her. There are many instances.\nSimilarly, if you are serious about understanding God, don't consider that \"I am Christian,\" \"I am Hindu,\" \"I am Muslim,\" \"Why shall I go this? Why shall I hear from Swāmījī?\" If you are serious about understanding God, and to love God, then here is the nicest process. That is practical. There is no question of grudging, \"Oh, why shall I go there? They are following some Hindu, Vedic scripture.\" No. There is no question of Vedic scripture. We..., our business is how to love God. That's all.\nJust like many students come here to take higher education. As there is no consideration that \"Why shall I go to America or Germany? They are different people. Oh, I don't take higher education...\" No. Everyone goes. Similarly, if there is nice process to understand God, to approach God, you should take it. Don't be grudging. Take it. You'll be benefited. Kevalayā bhaktyā.\nSo kecid, not all. Someone who is intelligent, bhagavān, fortunate, they take to this process, kevalayā bhaktyā. Our process is kevalayā bhaktyā. Kevalayā means pure devotional service. No other adulteration or amalgamation. No. Simply to serve Kṛṣṇa. This is the program. From early morning at four o'clock till night, ten a.m., p.m., they are all engaged in Kṛṣṇa's service. This is called kevalayā. They have no other business.\nSo this process is recommended for all. That is the perfection of all religious process. Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharma yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6]. That is first-class religion. Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharma. Paro means transcendental. There are two things: parā and aparā, superior and inferior, material and transcendental. There are material dharmas, religious process. For some material gain, generally, people go to church, go to temple, some material gain. Just like in your church you pray, \"God, give us our daily bread.\" So daily bread is a material gain.\nSo these gain is already settled up. You'll get your bread. Just like the birds or beast, they are getting their bread without going to the church. They do not go to the church for asking God, \"Give us our daily bread.\" The bread is there in the tree. They go and take as much bread as they like. Similarly, your bread is also settled up, either you go to the church or not go to the church. That is not a problem.\nNobody is dying on the street out of starvation. When you find somebody is lying dead on the footpath, the cause is some might have shot him down or by some other means he's killed. But you'll no..., you'll not find either a bird or a beast or an ant or human being died of starvation. Never. The food is already there. Don't bother. If you have to bother, if you have to tax your brain, just do it for Kṛṣṇa, or God. That is proper utilization of your time. Bread is already there. There is no scarcity of bread in the kingdom of God.\nTasyaiva hetoḥ prayateta kovido na labhyate yad bhramatām upary adhaḥ [SB 1.5.18]. The Bhāgavata says one should try for that thing which is not available by traveling all over the universe. What is that? This is kevalayā bhaktyā, simple pure devotion. That is wanting. Nothing is scarcity. Everything is complete by the grace of God for everyone.\nJust like even in jail the government supplies sufficient food. But why people come into the jail? Because they are not honest. Dishonest, criminal. Food is outside jail, inside jail. But what is the difference inside and outside? Inside jail, the men are criminals. Outside jail, they are not criminals; they are lawful.\nSimilarly there is spiritual world and material world, and everywhere God is providing food, either in the spiritual world or material world—for everyone. Eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]. The Vedas says that one person, Supreme Person, He is supplying food to this many living entities, bahūnām. Eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān. So for fulfillment of your material desires, you need not go to God. That is, that arrangement is already there.\nBut because we are foolish, we think... Not only think; sometimes we are put into difficulty by the laws of nature, starvation. Just like if you eat more, and then next two days you cannot eat; you have to starve. Similarly, the difficulty in this material world is that we take more than what we need; therefore we have created problems. Otherwise there is sufficient supply from God's side. There is no scarcity, no problem. We have created problems.\nJust like in your country, sometimes I have heard that you throw away grains, thousands of tons of grains, in the water. That means you have enough food. But there are countries who are starving. So it could be adjusted by sending this food. Instead of throwing in the water, they could be sent to the starving countries. But people will not do that. The point is from God's arrangement, there is enough food within this planet. There is enough land, enough food-producing prospect. But we have arranged in such a way that in one part the people are suffering, and one part, they are throwing the grains in the water. This is not God's arrangement; this is our arrangement.\nTherefore the problems are created by men. Now the so-called politicians, they create problems. Otherwise, by nature's ways, by God's way, everything is complete.\npūrṇam idaṁ pūrṇam adaḥ\npūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate\npūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya\npūrṇam eva avaśiṣyate\n[Īśo Invocation]\nThis is Vedic song. God is complete. His creation is complete. His arrangement is complete. Simply we are creating disturbance. Therefore the real education to stop this disturbance is to make people Kṛṣṇa conscious, God conscious. Then all problems will be solved. Otherwise, by passing resolution in the United Nation it is not possible.\nYou do not know how to solve the problems. That is being discussed. Here Śukadeva Gosvāmī, in right place, he says kevalayā bhaktyā: simply by pure devotional service, kevalayā, only. Kecid kevalayā bhaktyā vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ. And who can do, kecid, that kecid, that person, who is that person? That is not ordinary person. That is vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ, one who is devotee to Lord Kṛṣṇa.\nVasudeva means Kṛṣṇa. Vasudeva, not others, not demigod parāyaṇāḥ. Vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ. Demigod parāyaṇāḥ, it cannot do that. Therefore it is particularly mentioned, vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ: whose business is only to satisfy Lord Vasudeva, or Kṛṣṇa. Such person. They can solve all the problems simply by taking to pure, unalloyed devotional service. Kevalayā bhaktyā. Aghaṁ dhunvanti.\nWe create trouble for our sinful activities. Just like I have already explained: there is enough food, but I gather more food, I stock it to make business so that when there is less supply the price will increase, and I shall sell at that time. This is my process. This is going on as economic development. There is grain—by God's arrangement, sufficient grain. But I am a man, I have got some influence. I have got some money, and I go to the bank: \"Sir, I want to purchase one hundred thousand, millions of dollars' worth of wheat. So I have got ten thousand dollar. Please give me loan.\" Bank gives him loan. He purchases. He stocks it somewhere; nobody knows. The price is increased. There is scarcity.\nActually there is no scarcity, but it is the so-called economic law, man-made law, that creates scarcity. From God's side, there is no scarcity. Sufficient supply—more than what you need. But how this man can be checked from this evil propensity, to gather money and stock unnecessarily?\nIn India, in 1942, they created artificial famine by this process. Big men, they collected rice. The rice was selling at six rupees per mound. All of a sudden, within a week, it came to fifty rupees per mound. I have seen it. No rice was available in the market. People were hungry. They were purchasing. But the beauty is one American gentleman was at that time present. He remarked that \"People are starving in this way. In our country, there would have been revolution.\" Yes. But the people of India are so trained that in spite of creating this artificial famine, they did not commit any theft, stealing others' property. They died peacefully.\nOf course, this is a single instance. But the thing is that the problems are not created by God; it is created by us. Just like in the... One, my German Godbrother, he said that during the First World War... Perhaps some of you know. The politician created war and there was war. So people went to church. People means all women, because men were all in the active field. So they prayed, \"My brother may come back,\" \"My husband may come back,\" \"My son may come back.\" But nobody came back, and they all became atheist: \"Oh, there is no God.\" But the thing is that God does not say that \"You create war, create problem, and for solution of the problem you come to Me.\" No. You have created your problems; you have to take the result.\nBut still, one who takes to the shelter of Kṛṣṇa, or God, his problems are solved. That's a fact. Here it is stated, kecid kevalayā bhaktyā. Somebody. Who? Vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ. Those who are advanced in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Vasudeva means Kṛṣṇa. Nārāyaṇa parāyaṇa, vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ, these words are there in the Vedic language.\nIn another place you'll find,\nvāsudeve bhagavati\nbhakti-yogaḥ prayojitaḥ\njanayati āśu vairāgyaṁ\njñānaṁ ca yad ahaitukam\n[SB 1.2.7]\nIf you apply your devotional service to Vāsudeva, vāsudeve bhagavati... Vāsudeva is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, bhagavati. Vāsudeve bhagavati bhakti-yogaḥ prayojitaḥ [SB 1.2.7]. If you apply, if you engage yourself in devotional service to Vāsudeva, then the result will be janayaty āśu. Āśu means very soon, without delay; janayaty, generated. Janayaty āśu vairāgyam. Vairāgyam means knowledge by which one becomes detached from this material allurement. That is called vairāgya.\nSimply by employing yourself in devotional service you get the highest knowledge. That is vairāgya. Without vairāgyam... Jñānaṁ ca. Jñāna and vairāgya. Jñāna means knowledge, and vairāgya means detachment. This is required in this human form of life. As soon as you get right knowledge, that \"I am spirit soul. I am not anything of this material world.\nSomehow or other I have been in contact with this material world, and because I have desired to enjoy this material world in different capacities, therefore I am transmigrating from one type of body to another type, and I do now know since when this system began, but is still going on,\" this is called knowledge. To understand one's constitutional position and how he's suffering in this material world, that is called knowledge. Now that perfection of knowledge comes when one becomes vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ.\nTherefore in Bhagavad-gītā it is said, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 7.19]. After many, many births, sufferings, or cultivation of knowledge, when one comes to the right point, at that time he becomes vāsudeva parāyaṇāḥ. Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ. One who understands \"Vasudeva is everything; He is the cause of everything,\" sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam [Bs. 5.1], sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ, that kind of mahātmā... You were asking yesterday about some mahātmā's instruction. But we are talking of this mahātmā who is vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ. He is perfect mahātmā.\nSo the mahātmā, as it is said... It is kevalayā bhaktyā, kecid kevalayā bhaktyā vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ. Similarly, vāsudeva parāyaṇāḥ means vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ [Bg. 7.19]. One who has known perfectly well that Kṛṣṇa, Vasudeva, is the source of everything, sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ, such kind of mahātmā is very rare. You can find out so-called mahātmās with great beard, mustaches and... But that is different mahātmā. That is not mahātmā. They are sometimes durātmā, because they want to encroach upon the rightful position of Kṛṣṇa. They want to become one with Kṛṣṇa.\nSuppose if there is servant in your office, and if he tries to occupy your seat, would you like him, if you understand that your \"This servant is trying to occupy my seat\"? Similarly, any living entity who is trying to become God, he's not very much liked by God. He cannot become God, but this very endeavor to become God, to become a competitor of God, is not very much liked.\nThat person is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā as dviṣataḥ, envious. Tān aham dviṣataḥ krūrān kṣipāmy ajasram andhā yoniṣu [Bg. 16.19]. Such persons, envious persons, are put into the hellish condition of life. They are envious of God's position. They want to occupy high position in this material world, and when they are frustrated, they think, \"Now I shall occupy the position of God.\" But that will be also frustrated.\nNobody can become God. God is God, and living entity's living entity. He's supreme, He's infinite; we are infinitesimal. Our position is to serve God. That is our perfect position. That will make us happy. Not otherwise. Not by imitating how to become God. That is impossible. How you can become God? Yasyaika-niśvasita-kālam athāvalambya jīvanti loma-vilajā jagad-aṇḍa-nāthāḥ [Bs. 5.48]. There are innumerable universes, and within the breathing period of Mahā-Viṣṇu so many universes are coming out by exhaling. And when He inhales, so many universes are dissolved within His body. So how we can become God? God is not so cheap.\nTherefore sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ, one who is actually advanced in knowledge, mahātmā, who has accepted Vāsudeva, Kṛṣṇa, as the Supreme... Here it is also said that kecid kevalayā bhaktyā vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ, aghaṁ dhunvanti. They exterminate all kinds of resultant reaction of sinful activity. Aghaṁ dhunvanti. How it is? Now Kṛṣṇa, Vasudeva, personally says also that \"You surrender unto Me.\" Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. \"You give up everything, all other occupation. You simply surrender unto Me.\" Ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo.\nSo this aghaṁ dhunvanti, He destroys all kinds of resultant activities of sinful life. Not he does; it is done by Kṛṣṇa. He says, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo: \"I'll help you. I will release you from all kinds of reaction. You simply surrender.\" Therefore vāsudeva-parāyaṇāḥ, one who is devotee, and simply engages in devotional service, aghaṁ dhunvanti, immediately He causes disappearance of all sinful action.\nHow? The example is given: aghaṁ dhunvanti kārtsnyena, wholesale, immediately. How? Nihārām iva bhāskaraḥ: just like fog is immediately, I mean to say, moved, simply by sunrise. Sunrise. Just like this is night, darkness. In the morning, as soon as there will be sunrise, there will be no more darkness. Immediately all thousands and millions of miles of darkness immediately moved. So try to make Kṛṣṇa sūrya, the sun, Kṛṣṇa, rise in your heart, and everything will be solved.\nThank you very much. Thank you.",
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"content": "\n To make them Kṛṣṇa conscious. If he knows that \"These grains belongs to Kṛṣṇa. Why I am throwing it? There are so many living entities, they are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Let me distribute,\" that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But he is thinking, \"It is mine. These grains are mine. I am the proprietor.\" This is due to lack of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If he knows that everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa, then he'll not misuse it. What is your question?",
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"content": "\n If I have got a lot of foodstuffs, Śrīla Prabhupāda, I wish to distribute, but I'm afraid it will go bad, how could I distribute very quickly, very quickly? I want to distribute it all. I've gotten a lot of foodstuffs. I want to give it up. Can I offer it...",
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"content": "\n You don't find? You don't find men to distribute...",
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"content": "\n Sometimes I get crates of lettuce. Could I offer a whole crate at once, and give a crate away to another Salvation Army, that they can give it away?",
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"content": "\n That is all right. Some way or other it should be distributed. It should not be wasted. Yes?",
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"content": "\n How do you feel about Rabindranath Tagore?",
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"content": "\n How do you feel about Rabindranath Tagore, the Indian poet, writer?",
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"content": "\n How do you feel about Rabindranath Tagore, the poet?",
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"content": "\n[laughter] [laughs] So you want my right answer? The answer is that anyone who has no Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he has no good qualification. Or he's a fool, in simple word. So we have to test whether one has got Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness.\nIf one has no God consciousness, then according to Bhāgavata, harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇā [SB 5.18.12]: those who are not Kṛṣṇa conscious, they cannot have any good qualification. Why? Manorathena asato dhāvato bahiḥ. Because they are..., they have no God consciousness means they do not know what is God; therefore their consciousness is either on the bodily platform or mental platform or intellectual platform. God consciousness is on the spiritual platform.\nSo those who are in the bodily platform, they're trying to satisfy the senses. And those who are on the mental platform, they're writing poetries and philosophical speculation to satisfy the mind. Similarly, there is intellectual platform. But soul is above intellect.\nindriyāṇi parāṇy āhur\nindriyebhyaḥ paraṁ manaḥ\nmanasas tu parā buddhir\nbuddhes tu yaḥ paraḥ sa eva\n[Bg. 3.42]\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that first of all you have got bodily conception: \"I am this body.\" Generally people are in bodily concept of life. Therefore body means the senses. They want to satisfy the senses. And then mental platform, they are satisfying the mind by philosophical speculation or some poetry.\nSo Rabindra..., Rabindranath Tagore, he belongs to the mental platform. So one has to transcend the bodily platform, mental platform, intellectual platform and come to the simple spiritual platform. That is kevalayā. Kevalayā means simply, without any adulteration of bodily, mental and intellectual activities. That is pure devotional service.\nSo Rabindranath Tagore belonged to the mental platform—a little bit higher than persons who are on the bodily platform. But perfection of life comes when one comes to the spiritual platform. That we are giving directly, Kṛṣṇa. Immediately. That is the difference between Rabindranath Tagore and our activities.\nThank you.",
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"content": "\n[radio interference]\n “Arjuna said: O Kṛṣṇa, first of all You ask me to renounce work, and then again You recommend work with devotion. Now will You kindly tell me definitely which of the two is more beneficial?”\nRenouncement does not mean voidness. Renouncement is only the negative side. When our spiritual master was physically present, we asked him whether renounced order of sannyāsa is nice or householder life is nice. So Guru Mahārāja replied that “We are going to enter into the household of Kṛṣṇa. What we have got to do with renouncement?”\nActually that is the position. When I speak that “Don’t do this,” “don’t do this” means don’t do this nonsense. “Don’t do this” does not mean you give up nice activities. Nobody says “Don’t do this.” “Don’t do this” means don’t do rascaldom. Similarly, renouncement means to renounce these material activities.\nJust like Śaṅkarācārya’s philosophy—to merge into the existence of Brahman. His first condition is you must accept sannyāsa. Śaṅkarācārya’s philosophy is brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā:\n[The spirit soul is truth, and the external energy is untruth.]\nThis material world is false, and Brahman, the supreme spirit, is reality. So their philosophy is to merge into the supreme reality and stop this material activity. That is the sum and substance of Śaṅkarācārya’s philosophy. Lord Buddha’s philosophy also almost the same. He says nirvāṇa. Nirvāṇa also means “extinguish.” Just like this flame is there. If you extinguish this flame, it is called nirvāṇa. So Buddha’s philosophy is also that extinguish this blazing fire of material activities: stop this; try to understand your life; meditate. This is another science.\nSo Vaiṣṇava philosophy means not only stop this nonsense, but begin actual life. Lord Buddha also wanted to tell the same philosophy; Śaṅkarācārya also wanted to say the same philosophy. But the people who are followers, they had no stamina to understand what is spiritual activities. Therefore he did not say it; he stopped simply up to nirvāṇa. “Stop this nonsense.”\nBut here Kṛṣṇa says that stop work means stop working this nonsense work. What is that nonsense work? This material activities—sense enjoyment—it is nonsense. Why nonsense? Because it is animalistic. The animals are also working for sense gratification. What the animals are doing? The birds and the beasts, what they are doing? All day they are searching after some food, and as soon as the belly is fulfilled—sex life. You see the sparrow, the pigeons, or any animal. That means āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithuna [Hitopadeśa 25].\n[Both animals and men share the activities of eating, sleeping, mating and defending. But the special property of the humans is that they are able to engage in spiritual life. Therefore without spiritual life, humans are on the level of animals.]\nAnd in the evening they gather together, eating, mating, eating, mating, and sleep. So sleeping, eating and sex life—and fearing from the enemy. Everyone is afraid.\nSo material activities mean the same thing. You may eat very nice, palatable dishes in the restaurant, but what is that? Eating, that’s all. There is no other philosophy. Simply eating philosophy, that’s all. You may be satisfied with certain type of dishes, and the pigeon will be satisfied simply by certain grains of peas, that’s all. But the pleasure is eating. Similarly, sleeping. When you fall asleep, you do not know whether you are sleeping on a very nice mattress or on the floor. Sometimes you are dreaming that “I am sleeping on the forest” or “on the seashore.”\nYou forget everything. So sleeping… Eating, sleeping, mating—sex intercourse. The same enjoyment as the pigeon is enjoying, you are also enjoying. And defending—they are defending by their wings; you are defending by atomic bomb. So there is no difference of quality of life. So Kṛṣṇa, when says “Stop work,” means stop working like animals, but not to stop working like Kṛṣṇa conscious people are doing—not to stop chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Stop you animalistic life and begin your spiritual life. That is the purpose.\nSo Arjuna is playing the part of a common man. He is constant companion of Kṛṣṇa. He is friend of Kṛṣṇa. So there was no possibility of Arjuna’s becoming such fool, but he is playing the part of a fool because if he does not question like that, then how this Bhagavad-gītā will come from the Supreme Personality of Godhead? Just like there is a stage play. Somebody is speaking, somebody is answering, and the audience is benefiting. Similarly, this is also Kṛṣṇa’s stage play to teach us. And who will accompany Him? Who will answer Him? Who will play with Him?\nHis most confidential devotee, Arjuna. Otherwise who will play with Him? He is Supreme Personality of Godhead, and a great devotee like Arjuna can play with Him. Just like if there is a very respectable person, who will accompany him? Somebody similarly respectable. So Arjuna as a common man says that “Sometimes You say that ’You stop work,’ and again You say that ’You work with devotion.’ ” So Kṛṣṇa will explain. Go on.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n “The Blessed Lord said: The renunciation of work and work in devotion are both good for liberation. But of the two, work in devotional service is better than renunciation of work.”\n Renunciation of work, practically the same meaning. When I say “Don’t do this,” but you are active, “Don’t do this” does not mean that you become inert stone. Then the next question, “What shall I do?” That is the next question. If I say, “My dear boy, don’t do this,” then next question will be, “Then what shall I do?” Because you cannot stop your doing. It is not possible. You must give me some engagement. Just like… It is historical and practical.\nIn Indian history, those who have read Indian history, there was a great Mogul emperor, Shah Jahan. So when Shah Jahan became old, he had four sons: Dhara, Aurangzeb, Murad and another, I forget. So four brothers, they intrigued at who will be the next emperor. Out of the four, the second brother was very cunning. He was Aurangzeb. Perhaps you have heard his name. So by intrigue and politics and diplomacy he killed all other brothers, and at last he arrested his father, old father. Otherwise how he can become emperor? And intrigue to become himself emperor.\nSo when Shah Jahan was arrested by the order of Aurangzeb, Shah Jahan became mad: “Aurangzeb, what you are doing? You are arresting me? You kill me.” So the son said, Aurangzeb, “Well, I have killed my brothers, but I will not kill my father. But you are arrested. You cannot go out of this fort, Agra fort.” So he became mad, that “I was emperor. I was ordering, and you stopped my work. Then I shall become mad. Better kill me.” Just try to understand.\nSo similarly, we stop to..., we want to stop these material activities. Just like in your country there are many persons, they don’t want to do anything anymore, material activities—confused, frustrated. But there is no specific duty for them. That is not good. To stop material activities, that is the defect of void philosophy and impersonal philosophy. To stop this material work is good, but where is the positive engagement? Unless you have got positive engagement, you cannot stop yourself. You become mad. The same word that Shah Jahan said, that “I was emperor. I was acting as the supreme person in the empire. Now you are stopping me, then I shall become mad.”\nSo simply stopping material activities, and if there is no spiritual activity, then he will be mad just like Aurang…, Shah Jahan. So there must be some spiritual activities. You cannot stop. Just like a child: child is playing. If you stop his playing, you must give him some engagement, immediately, some good engagement; otherwise he will become dull and nonsense. He’ll play havoc. So this is being explained. Go on.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n Purport: “Fruitive activities [seeking sense gratification] are causes for material bondage. As long as one is engaged in activities aimed at improving the standard of bodily comfort, one is sure to transmigrate to different types of bodies, thereby prolonging the material bondage perpetually.”\n Yes. There is a verse in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam:\nevaṁ manaḥ karma-vaśaṁ prayuṅkte\navidyayātmany upadhīyamāne\nyāvan na prītir mayi vāsudeve\nna mucyate deha-yogena tāvat\n[SB 5.5.6]\n[When the living entity is covered by the mode of ignorance, he does not understand the individual living being and the supreme living being, and his mind is subjugated by fruitive activity. Therefore, until one has love for Lord Vāsudeva, who is none other than Myself, he is certainly not delivered from having to accept a material body again and again.]\nWe are planning that “I shall do this. I shall do that. I shall do that.” This is called mind is always absorbed how to be the enjoyer of this material world. So long this spirit of enjoying the material world, our sense gratification will continue. You have to accept some sort of material body, either as human being or beast or bird or animal or insect or demigod, superior, inferior. There are varieties of bodies. You see in your [indistinct]. There are so many living entities, 8,400,000s species. So, so long our mind will be absorbed for sense gratification, the nature will offer me a similar body to enjoy.\nIf I want to be a tiger, nature will give you a nice body, tiger. If you want to become a demigod, nature will supply you, or Kṛṣṇa will supply you. But Kṛṣṇa does not supply your demands in the material world. The agent is this material nature by the direction, because Kṛṣṇa is seated on your heart. If you want..., that “I want to be like this,” Kṛṣṇa immediately accepts, “All right. I shall make you like this.” And He orders the material nature, “Give him facility to become like this.” This is going on. You can become a very great man or very insignificant man according to your work. That facility you will have. But that is bondage.\nSuppose…, America is a very nice country, a very rich country. There are, in other countries, they are thinking, “Americans are living in heaven. They are so happy.” And some of them, they are imitating how to become Americans, how to construct skyscraper buildings. So suppose one becomes American. What benefit does he derive? Does the American not die? Are they permanent in life? No. Do they not take birth? No… Yes, they take birth.\nDo they not become old? Yes, they become old. So what is the benefit of becoming American? The difficulties of material life—birth, death, old age and disease—either you become in America or in moon planet or sun planet or India, Czechoslovakia, hell or heaven—anywhere—the four principles of material pains, or material miseries—birth, death, old age—will follow you. Bondage. That is bondage.\nMy… I am spirit soul. I am bound of this body; therefore I cannot move even to the moon planet. But if I get my spiritual body, immediately, within a second, I can reach kingdom of God, the spiritual world. Spiritual body is so powerful and so, I mean to say, swift, because it is swifter than the mind. You get this from Bhagavad-gītā. Mind is swifter than anything, than the air even, than the ether.\nYou are sitting here, and immediately you remember twenty thousands miles away your home—immediately you go. This is the swiftness on mind. But the soul is still swifter than the mind. So as soon as you, just like in this fourth chapter you have read, Kṛṣṇa says,\ntyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma\nnaiti mām eti kaunteya\n[Bg. 4.9]\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\n“Just after giving up this body, immediately he comes to Me.” It is so swift. So we have to seek after that swiftness of my spiritual body. Immediately I transfer. Why should I become bounded up by this material body? That is our perfection. So we have to work in such a way that no more coming into the bondage of this material body. That work is needed. That is work in devotion. That is work in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Go on.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n “Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam confirms this as follows: ’People are mad after sense gratification, and they do not know that this present body, which is full of miseries, is a result of one’s fruitive activities in the past. Although this body is temporary, it is always giving one trouble in many ways.’ ”\n This point people do not understand, that body is subject to all kinds of material tribulations. Just try to understand this simple philosophy: and so long you will be attached to sense gratification, you will be forced to get a body, unless you are spiritually elevated and try to go to the spiritual kingdom. And this materialistic way of life means sense gratification.\nSo you go on sense gratifying, you will have a certain type of body, and sense gratification will be everywhere. Either you become a dog or cat or man or elephant or tiger, you will have the sex facilities, eating facilities, sleeping facilities and defending facilities. Viṣayaḥ khalu sarvataḥ syāt [SB 11.9.29].\n[After many, many births and deaths one achieves the rare human form of life, which, although temporary, affords one the opportunity to attain the highest perfection. Thus a sober human being should quickly endeavor for the ultimate perfection of life as long as his body, which is always subject to death, has not fallen down and died. After all, sense gratification is available even in the most abominable species of life, whereas Kṛṣṇa consciousness is possible only for a human being.]\nViṣayaḥ means these four principles of material enjoyment. You will have everywhere birth, kṛṣṇa guru nahi mile baja hari ei, but you cannot get Kṛṣṇa and spiritual master. You can have facility for all these bodily pleasures—eating, sleeping, mating and defending—in any life, but Kṛṣṇa and the spiritual master can be had in this life, human form, kṛṣṇa guru nāhi mile. Janame janame sabe pitā mātā pāya [Prema-vivarta].\n[In every birth you’ll get a father and a mother. But in every birth you cannot get Kṛṣṇa or a bona fide spiritual master.]\nVery simple: in any birth you will get a father and mother, because without father and mother, where there is question of birth? Janame janame sabe pitā mātā pāya. In every birth you can get father and mother. But kṛṣṇa guru nahi mile baja hari ei: but you should always remember that Kṛṣṇa and the spiritual master cannot be had in every birth.\nTherefore that thing should be sought after: Where is Kṛṣṇa? Where is spiritual master? That is perfection of life. Ei rūpe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān [Cc. Madhya 19.151].\n[“According to their karma, all living entities are wandering throughout the entire universe. Some of them are being elevated to the upper planetary systems, and some are going down into the lower planetary systems. Out of many millions of wandering living entities, one who is very fortunate gets an opportunity to associate with a bona fide spiritual master by the grace of Kṛṣṇa. By the mercy of both Kṛṣṇa and the spiritual master, such a person receives the seed of the creeper of devotional service.]\nIn this way the living entities are wandering throughout the whole universe in different planets, in different species of life, but somehow or the other if he becomes fortunate, then by the mercy of spiritual master and Kṛṣṇa he gets the seed of devotional service. And as soon as he gets the seed, if he waters, then it becomes sprouted, gradually grows. What is that water? Śravaṇa-kīrtana-jale karaye secana [Cc. Madhya 19.151].\nThis is watering: you’re hearing, you’re chanting. This means watering the seed of devotional service. So take this devotional…, seed of devotional service, sow in your heart, and water it by hearing and chanting. You will see how happy you are becoming, day after day. As the plant grows, you’ll become more happy, happy, happy. Go on.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n “Therefore, to act for sense gratification is not good. One is considered to be a failure in life as long as he makes no inquiry about the nature of work for fruitive results, for as long as one is engrossed in the consciousness of sense gratification, one has to transmigrate from one body to another. Although the mind may be engrossed in fruitive activities and influenced by ignorance, one must develop a love for devotional service to Vāsudeva. Only then can one have the opportunity to get out of the bondage of material existence.”\n Vāsudeva means Kṛṣṇa. As soon as you develop a little love for Kṛṣṇa, then a different path is open for you. This is fact.\nbahūnāṁ janmanām ante\njñānavān māṁ prapadyate\n[Bg. 7.19]\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nThis opportunity is there. Anyone can accept it. But it is our misfortune, you see, that we do not accept it. The path is very simple. Anyone can accept it.\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.]\nSo it is our duty to explain that this is the real path. Now it is up to the people to accept it or not. Go on.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n “Therefore, jñāna [or knowledge that one is not this material body but spirit soul] is not sufficient for liberation. One has to act in the status of spirit soul, otherwise there is no escape from material bondage. Action in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not, however, action on the fruitive platform.”\n It is said… The impersonalist philosophers, they are stating that you just realize yourself, what you are. So by meditation, by many other mystic process, one understands that actually, “I am not this body; I am spirit soul.”Ahaṁ brahmāsmi: “I am Brahman.” But the thing is that simply to understand that “I am Brahman,” that is not life. Just like simply if you think “I am American,” will that improve your situation?\nNo. You have to act like American, you have to serve your country, you have to take all the opportunities that the American government is offering you. Then your life will be successful. If you simply become meditating, “I am American! I am American!” What you’ll benefit you will do? Simply thinking, “I am Brahman, I am Brahman!” that is very nice, but you take the advantage of becoming Brahman, that is work with devotion. When you take the advantage of becoming Brahman…\nIt is very simple. Try to understand. You are also American, and President Nixon is also American; there is no quarrel. But your position and President Nixon’s position is different. Why? Because he has taken all the opportunities of becoming American by serving the country. Similarly, you take all the opportunities of becoming Brahman, then you will benefit. Simply thinking, “I am Brahman,” that is nice, but what benefit you will derive? It is very practical. It is not difficult to understand.\nSo simply nirvāṇa, simply to make the material activities void...,\n[break] that is not life. That is the beginning of a fresh life, provided you take advantage. Just like I have got immigration permanent residential permit. If I take the advantages offered by the American government, then I can become also one of you. But if I am simply satisfied that “Now I have got this permit,” that’s all. So simply understanding that “I am Brahman” is not very happy. You have to act like Brahman. Your activities must be like Brahman. And that is work in devotion. Go on.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n “Activities performed in knowledge strengthen one’s advancement in knowledge. Without Kṛṣṇa consciousness, mere renunciation of fruitive activities does not actually purify the heart of a conditioned soul. As long as the heart is not purified, one has to work on the fruitive platform. But action in Kṛṣṇa consciousness automatically helps one escape the result of fruitive action so that one need not descend to the material platform.”\n If you apply yourself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness activities, the nonsense activities automatically stop. Because you can act in one way. So if you work in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then your working in material consciousness will automatically stop. But if you simply try to stop material activities, if you have no engagement in spiritual activities, then you will have to come back again to the material world. But you cannot stop. You are active. You are living force.\nIt is impossible to stop. Just try to stop even an ant. It is going in a certain direction—just try to stop it. Oh, it will protest. Many times it will struggle, “Oh, I shall go this way. Why you are stopping? You are stopping.” This is the… A child wants to take something; you try to stop it. Oh, she will cry, “I must have it.” This is the symptom of life. How we can make…, stop doing anything? It is not possible. You have to engage yourself in better activities. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Go on.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n “Therefore action in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is always superior to renunciation, which entails a risk of falling. Renunciation without Kṛṣṇa consciousness is incomplete, as is confirmed by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī in his Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu. To achieve liberation, renunciation of things which are related to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, though they are material, is called incomplete. Renunciation is complete when it is in the knowledge that everything in existence belongs to the Lord…”\n This verse from Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu is very nice. Rūpa Gosvāmī says:\nprāpañcikatayā buddhyā\nhari-sambandhi-vastunaḥ\nmumukṣubhiḥ parityāgo\nphalgu-vairāgyaṁ kathyate\n[Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.256]\n[When one is not attached to anything but at the same time accepts anything in relation to Kṛṣṇa, one is rightly situated above possessiveness. On the other hand, one who rejects everything without knowledge of its relationship to Kṛṣṇa is not as complete in his renunciation.]\nJust like the impersonalist philosophers, they are saying, “Well, this is material. I have no connection with this material thing.” Prāpañcika. Prāpañcika means “material.” So they are renouncing. But the Vaiṣṇava philosophy is that why should we renounce? It can be utilized for Kṛṣṇa. Just like this tape recorder, this microphone, this is material advantage. This tape recorder and microphone was discovered or manufactured not for utilizing for lecturing Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is a fact.\nThey manufactured it, the inventor, for some material purpose. But we are taking advantage of this. Although it was manufactured for serving some material purpose, but we are utilizing it for spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So that is the direction of the Gosvāmīs, that nothing should be renounced thinking it is material. Try to find out how it can be spiritually utilized. That is the technique. Everything we can utilize for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, but not for sense gratification. So this is the way. Go on.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n “One should understand that factually, nothing belongs to anyone. Then where is the question of renunciation?”\n Yes. What you can renounce? What you have got? This is knowledge: what you have got? You haven’t got anything. Everything belongs to God. Even if your body, this body is not yours; it is given to you because you wanted to enjoy something materially, so God has given you a particular type of body to enjoy that. Actually, the body is not manufactured by you or given by your production. You cannot produce a body in the factory.\nYou can produce a huge airplane, but you cannot produce even the body of an ant. That is not possible. Therefore even your body is not yours, so what you can renounce? What is the meaning of renouncement? Suppose you are sitting here. You are invited to sit here and hear our lecture, and if while going away, if you say, “All right, I renounce this room to you,” what is the meaning? When you possess this room that you are renouncing?\nSo there is no question of renouncing. The real knowledge is to see that everything belongs to God; it should be utilized for God’s purpose. That is renunciation. Nothing should be utilized for my sense gratification. That is renunciation. I renounce the attitude of my sense gratification. That is renunciation. And that is my real position. Suppose somebody wants to utilize this room. We are dancing.\nSomebody comes, “All right, we shall utilize it for ballroom dancing. Please let us dance.” So there will be trouble. We will say, “No we cannot allow you for ball dancing.” Similarly, this temple should be utilized for the purpose for which it is established. Similarly God is supreme. He has created you for His enjoyment, just like a father takes the responsibility of the family.\nA man marries and takes the responsibility of wife, children, family, household, car. Why so much responsibility? He could have lived alone without spending a farthing, but he has taken so much expenditure on his responsibility. Why? For his enjoyment. If the wife is nice, if the children are obedient, then he feels happy, “Oh, I have got good wife, I have got nice children. Let me work for them.” And at the time of death he leaves huge property, happily. Similarly, if God has created, it is for His enjoyment.\nSo try to enhance His enjoyment. Don’t try to enjoy yourself. That is devotional service. That is your natural position for which you are meant. This finger is there to pick up some nice cake and put it in here. That is its duty. If the finger thinks, “Why shall I put it here? Let me enjoy,” it cannot enjoy. Similarly, you are created for God’s enjoyment, not for your enjoyment. Try to understand.\nThis is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then your position is natural; you’re happy. As the finger is happy putting the cake within the mouth, similarly, simply by serving Kṛṣṇa you will be happy. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the real process of becoming happy. Don’t try to become happy otherwise; then you will be frustrated, you will be confused. Simple process. Go on.\nMadhudviṣa\n:\n “One who knows that everything is Kṛṣṇa’s property is always situated in renunciation. Since everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa, everything should be employed in the service of Kṛṣṇa. This perfect form of action in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is far better than any amount of artificial renunciation.”\n Yes. Artificialness. What you can renounce? What you have got? Therefore any kind of renunciation is simply artificial, or false. You cannot renounce anything. After all, you have got this body. This body is also given by God, so what you have got to renounce? This is real understanding, that I cannot renounce because there is nothing which is belonging to me. Everything belongs to God; therefore it should be utilized for God, for Kṛṣṇa. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That’s all right. Thank you.",
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"content": "\n You said that we were all life force [indistinct]. How can we engage this life force in Kṛṣṇa if it is always being distracted by billboard signs and cars and women and so many things like that? How can you control this life force?\nPrabhupāda\n: Simply by engaging in Kṛṣṇa consciousness activities. That’s all. Force..., there is force. You utilize the force rightly. Just like this fire is a force. Now you can utilize it for purpose of illumination or cooking, so many ways, but if you put the fire on your cloth, that is not utilization; that is misuse. You can put this fire on your cloth, and you can die. The fire can do that. But that is not the utilization of this fire.\nThe real utilization of the fire, to take service from it for [indistinct] purpose. Similarly, everything is Kṛṣṇa’s force. All these activities that is going on in this world, that is Kṛṣṇa’s force. That will come in the Seventh Chapter, how two forces are working—one material force and one spiritual force. The whole world is combination of these two forces.\nSo when the forces are utilized properly, that is working in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Otherwise it will burn your clothes and put you into death. That’s all. You must know how to utilize the force. Nirbandha-kṛṣṇa-sambandhe yukta-vairāgyam ucyate [Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.255].\n[When one is not attached to anything, but at the same time accepts everything in relation to Kṛṣṇa, one is rightly situated above possessiveness.]\nThe force can be controlled in collaboration of service to Kṛṣṇa—then the force will be controlled. Otherwise the force will create disaster. Just like a powerful engine is working. So long as the driver is there, sense, with sense it is going on nicely.\nAnd as soon as he is senseless, or nonsense, “Oh, it’s come…,” immediately there is accident. Immediately. So force is there, sense is there, now you have to utilize it. That sense, proper utilization of sense, is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then every force will be under control, and it will give you good effect.\n [indistinct] take the attitude that [indistinct] engage their [indistinct] in the service of Kṛṣṇa [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\nFirst of all you must be expert how to utilize everything for Kṛṣṇa, then that is possible. Just like to play with fire, one must be very much expert how to use fire, energy. Electricity, just like it is an energy, one must be an expert electrician how to utilize it; then the electricity can be utilized in so many ways, as is in your country everything is being utilized.\nYou are shaving also with electricity power, you are brushing you teeth with electricity power, [laughter] [laughs] you are sweeping the floor with electricity power. So you know… But in India, if this message are given, they will be puzzled. You see? Therefore one must be expert how to utilize that force.\nActually the force should be utilized for Kṛṣṇa’s purpose—every force. Because the force is… Just like another example, this cloud. What is this cloud? The cloud is a force from the ocean. Now there is torrents of rain, and it is reserved on the head of the mountain, and it comes like river and goes again to the ocean. Similarly, the same example can be utilized when there is torrents of rain and there is thunderbolt and everything. What is this?\nThis is simply action and reaction of the seawater and sunshine. That’s all. But ultimately the whole water is utilized to go back again to the sea. Is that not natural arrangement? The all water fall down, they are again going back to the sea and again coming back as cloud. Similarly, all forces. Janmādy asya yato [SB 1.1.1].\n[O my Lord, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmājī, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth.]\nThe Vedānta-sūtra says that the ultimate source of everything is the Absolute Truth, Kṛṣṇa. So everything is coming from Kṛṣṇa; therefore everything should go to Kṛṣṇa. That is natural. Simple thing. Nothing should go to anywhere. Just like the same water, all water is coming from the sea; it is going back again to the sea. This is natural.\nSo if it is a fact that all energy is coming from Kṛṣṇa, that why all energy should not be utilized for Kṛṣṇa? Is there any difficulty to understand? All energy, whatever energy you have got, utilize for Kṛṣṇa. Then your life will be successful. Just like we are trying to engage. What you know? “Oh, I know typewriting.” All right, utilize for Kṛṣṇa. What you know? “Oh, I know painting.” All right, utilize for Kṛṣṇa. What you know? “I know this electronics.”\nAll right, utilize for Kṛṣṇa. That is our business. You know singing? All right, utilize for Kṛṣṇa. You know dancing? All right, utilize for Kṛṣṇa. You can write books? All right, utilize for Kṛṣṇa. You can write poetry? All right, utilize for Kṛṣṇa. What is there? This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Whatever you know, just try to utilize for Kṛṣṇa, and your life is perfect.\nAnd how to utilize? Then you have to take the help of the association of the expert spiritual master. This is the way. Whatever energy you have got, you should know it is Kṛṣṇa’s energy. Therefore it should… Must be. It must be utilized for Kṛṣṇa. It is trying to go to Kṛṣṇa, and checking it. Just like the river is going to the sea, natural course, but if you check it, there will be flood, inundation, devastation. Don’t check it. Let your energy go automatically to Kṛṣṇa. Then it is all right. And if you check it, there will be devastation.\nSo they are checking. Except this movement of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, any other spiritual movement or so-called spiritual realization, they are simply checking. Simply checking. Therefore there is devastation. Simply opposing: “Oh, why should I serve Kṛṣṇa?” Opposing. “I am Kṛṣṇa! I am God!” Simply opposing, that is unnatural way. So if you take it as religion, this is the only religion in the world.\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.]\nWhat is religion? Just to utilize your energy for the supreme, that is religion. Anything beyond this, that is not religion. That is cheating. Anything that is not utilized for Kṛṣṇa, that is cheating. Just in an establishment, in an office, anything that is not utilized… Take for example your government. Anything that is not utilized for the government aim and object, that is criminal. Just like in your country, the communist movement is criminal, but in other countries the communist movement is legal. Why?\nIt is not approved here by the government; therefore it is criminal. So anything which is not approved by Kṛṣṇa, that is criminal. Kṛṣṇa was instructing Arjuna to fight, and Arjuna thinking, “It is criminal.” But later on, when Arjuna understood that to disobey the order of Kṛṣṇa is criminal, not the fighting, then he says, kariṣye vacanaṁ tava [Bg. 18.73],\n[Arjuna said: My dear Kṛṣṇa, O infallible one, my illusion is now gone. I have regained my memory by Your mercy. I am now firm and free from doubt and am prepared to act according to Your instructions.]\n“Yes, I shall fight.” Why? In the beginning he thought that “This fighting is criminal,” and he said, “I cannot do it.” But when he understood to disobey the order of Kṛṣṇa is criminal, then he fought.\nSo we cannot manufacture what is criminal and what is lawful. We have to take direction from the higher authority, Kṛṣṇa and His representative. Then our life will be accordingly. Just like Arjuna could not decide, but when the direction came from Kṛṣṇa, it was all right.\nAny other question? Hare Kṛṣṇa. Chant. [kīrtana] [end]",
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"content": "\n [leads singing of Govindam]\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\nThank you.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja has decided that any material qualification is not, I mean to say, the prerogative or any preferential admission or fee for entering into the kingdom of God. So he is explaining furthermore how it is so. He says,\nviprād dvi-ṣaḍ-guṇa-yutād aravinda-nābha-\npādāravinda-vimukhāt śvapacaṁ variṣṭham\nmanye tad-arpita-mano-vacanehitārtha-\nprāṇaṁ punāti sa kulaṁ na tu bhūrimānaḥ\n[SB 7.9.10]\n[If a brāhmaṇa has all twelve of the brahminical qualifications [as they are stated in the book called Sanat-sujāta] but is not a devotee and is averse to the lotus feet of the Lord, he is certainly lower than a devotee who is a dog-eater but who has dedicated everything—mind, words, activities, wealth and life—to the Supreme Lord. Such a devotee is better than such a brāhmaṇa because the devotee can purify his whole family, whereas the so-called brāhmaṇa in a position of false prestige cannot purify even himself.]\nPrahlāda Mahārāja says, \"I think...\" Whatever he thinks is right, because he is a great devotee. Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186].\n[Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu continued, “’Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated, self-realized person. Consequently, as the śāstras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahājanas advocate.’”]\nThe Vedic literatures indicate that you have to follow the footprints of great personalities, devotees. Tarko apratiṣṭhaḥ. If you want to understand the Absolute Truth by your argument and logic, oh, it is not possible. Because our argument, logic, may be defeated by another man. Another man's argument may be defeated by another man. Because all of us, we are limited. Whatever qualification we have got, they are all limited, and there is greater and greatest, comparative, superlative degree in every field of activities.\nSo that is not the way. Tarko apratiṣṭhaḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. If you want to understand the Absolute Truth by your arguments, teeny arguments, it is not possible. Tarko apratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnam. Śrutayo means scriptures. If you want to understand the Absolute Truth by studying different scriptures... Just like the Hindus have got their different scriptures.\nThey have got four Vedas, eighteen Purāṇas, Mahābhārata, Rāmāyaṇa, Vedānta-sūtra, 108 Upaniṣads, so many, similarly, in other countries also, they have got Bible or Buddhist literature or Muhammadan. They are all scriptures. But you cannot conclude about the Absolute Truth simply by studying scriptures. It is not possible.\nŚrutayor vibhinnaḥ. Vibhinnaḥ means there are different... Every scripture is made according to the time, atmosphere, persons—so many things there are, conditional. Therefore we sometimes find difference in one scripture from another. That is due to circumstances. So śrutayor vibhinnā nāsau munir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam. So far philosophers, great thinkers, muni—muni means great thinker—they have got their different theses. One muni, thinker, or philosopher, is trying to defeat another philosopher. This is going on.\nSo that is also not the way to understand the Absolute Truth; neither by argument nor by study of scriptures, nor by following different kinds of thinkers and philosophers. Why? Dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitam guhāyāṁ [Mahābhārata, Vana-parva 313.117].\n[Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated self-realized person. Consequently, as the śāstras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahājanas advocate.]\nThe essence of spiritual realization is very secret and confidential. Therefore Lord Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā that \"I am... Just now I am speaking to you the most confidential part of knowledge.\" Sarva-guhyatamaṁ. \"Why You are speaking to me the most confidential...?\" \"Because you are My very dear friend.\" And what is that? Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]:\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\n\"Give up everything. Simply surrender unto Me.\"\nSo the Vedas indicate therefore that mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186].\n[Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu continued, “’Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated, self-realized person. Consequently, as the śāstras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahājanas advocate.’”]\nIf you want to understand the Absolute Truth, then you have to follow great personalities, great devotees. Just like in the Western world, Lord Jesus Christ, you have to follow his principles. That is all right, his Ten Commandments. But we do not follow. We simply fight: \"Oh, I am Christian, you are Hindu,\" \"I am Muhammadan,\" \"I am this.\" Nobody tries to follow. You see? That is not the way. You have to follow. If you believe in certain personality... Of course, not believe, not blind believing; he must be authority.\nTherefore in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam they have indicated twelve authorities. According to Vedic version, there are twelve authorities, and one of them is Prahlāda Mahārāja. The twelve authorities are,\nsvayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ\nkumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ\nprahlādo janako bhīṣmo\nbalir vaiyāsakir vayam\n[SB 6.3.20]\n[Lord Brahmā, Bhagavān Nārada, Lord Śiva, the four Kumāras, Lord Kapila [the son of Devahūti], Svāyambhuva Manu, Prahlāda Mahārāja, Janaka Mahārāja, Grandfather Bhīṣma, Bali Mahārāja, Śukadeva Gosvāmī and I myself know the real religious principle. My dear servants, this transcendental religious principle, which is known as bhāgavata-dharma, or surrender unto the Supreme Lord and love for Him, is uncontaminated by the material modes of nature. It is very confidential and difficult for ordinary human beings to understand, but if by chance one fortunately understands it, he is immediately liberated, and thus he returns home, back to Godhead.]\nThis was explained by Yamarāja to his followers, that there are twelve authorities. So if one has to know the secret of spiritual realization, then one has to follow either of these twelve authorities.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja is one of the authority. Therefore I say, when Prahlāda Mahārāja says manye, \"I think,\" it has to be taken as authoritative statement. We have to follow. If we follow the footprints of great personalities, then there is no danger. Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. Just like in the villages there is a track. One who follows that track, he is not lost. He... Similarly, if we follow the track of mahājana on which great personality has traversed, then we'll not fall.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja, he says, \"I think.\" So whatever he thinks, we have to accept. That is very nice. And what he thinks? He thinks, manye viprād dvi-ṣaḍ-guṇa-yutād aravinda-nābha pādāravinda-vimukhāt, śvapacaṁ variṣṭham [SB 7.9.10].\n[If a brāhmaṇa has all twelve of the brahminical qualifications [as they are stated in the book called Sanat-sujāta] but is not a devotee and is averse to the lotus feet of the Lord, he is certainly lower than a devotee who is a dog-eater but who has dedicated everything—mind, words, activities, wealth and life—to the Supreme Lord. Such a devotee is better than such a brāhmaṇa because the devotee can purify his whole family, whereas the so-called brāhmaṇa in a position of false prestige cannot purify even himself.]\nHe says that \"If a brāhmaṇa...\" Brāhmaṇa is considered to be the highest qualified man in the human society. Why? Because he has got twelve qualification. We don't speak brāhmaṇa by birth.\nBrāhmaṇa does not become by birth. Brāhmaṇa is a qualification. That is the injunction of Vedic literatures. The most intelligent man is called brāhmaṇa. And how his intelligence is exhibited? There are twelve qualities. If you find those twelve qualities in any person... It doesn't matter whether it is in India or in Czechoslovakia or anywhere. Simply you have to find out whether that man is qualified.\nThese qualifications are stated in Bhagavad-gītā also:\nsatyam śaucam sama dama titikṣā ārjava, jñānam vijñānam āstikyaṁ brahma-karma svabhāva-jaṁ [Bg. 18.42].\n[Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, wisdom, knowledge, and religiousness—these are the qualities by which the brāhmaṇas work.]\nIf a person is a brāhmaṇa, then his natural qualification will be like this. What is that? Satyam: he is truthful. In any circumstances he will be truthful. Even to an enemy he will disclose the secret, \"This is the fact.\" That is truthfulness, not that I am very truthful, but when my interest is jeopardized, I tell lie. That is not truthfulness. Truthfulness means at any circumstances one will speak the plain truth. That is truthfulness. Satya śama. \nSatya śaucam. Śaucam, cleanliness. There are two kinds of cleanliness: external and internal. External cleanliness by taking bath with soap and other cleansing material... Of course, in India, the brāhmaṇas, they take... They cleanse themselves externally at least three times a day: in the morning, early in the morning; at noon before taking lunch; and in the evening before going to the temple. Tri-sandhyā. There are so many rules and regulation for becoming cleansed. This is external cleanliness. And there is internal cleanliness. The internal cleanliness is this chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ [Cc. Antya 20.12], cleansing the heart.\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nSo satya śaucam and śama, equilibrium of the mind, not to become disturbed in any circumstances. That is called śama. \nDama. Dama means controlling the senses. Every one of us, we are all controlled by the senses. But one has to become the controller of the senses. That is brāhmaṇa. That is svāmī. Svāmī or gosvāmī means who is controller of the senses. My tongue wants to eat something, and if I say, \"No, you cannot eat this,\" then... My eyes see something. I say, \"No, you cannot see this.\" My hand wants to touch something.\nI say, \"No, you cannot do this.\" My legs want to go somewhere. I say, \"No, you cannot do this.\" When one is in full control of the senses, he is called svāmī. Svāmī is not a title; it is a qualification. It is a qualification, and it is attained by a brāhmaṇa, one who is already advanced in brahminical qualification by cleansing.\nThen... And truthfulness. Then this qualification also is there, controller. And when one is completely controller of the senses, or when one is actually svāmī or gosvāmī... There is no difference between these two words. Svāmī, svāmī means controller, and gosvāmī is still clearer. Go means senses, controller of the senses.\nSo Rūpa Gosvāmī says who can be a spiritual master. So he has given specifically this definition, that one who has got controls over the tongue, over the speech, over the mind, over the belly, and over the genital and over the anger. If anyone has control over these six things, then he can become spiritual master. Pṛthiviṁ sa śiṣyāt [NoI 1]:\n[A sober person who can tolerate the urge to speak, the mind's demands, the actions of anger and the urges of the tongue, belly and genitals is qualified to make disciples all over the world.]\n\"He is allowed to make disciples all over the world.\" Otherwise not. These are the qualification of brāhmaṇa. Satyam śaucam śama dama titikṣā [Bg. 18.42]. \n[Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, wisdom, knowledge, and religiousness—these are the qualities by which the brāhmaṇas work.]\nTitikṣā means tolerance. Just like in your Western countries, Lord Jesus Christ, he was being crucified. He tolerated. He never cursed even. He, rather, begged from God, \"My God, these people do not know what they are doing. Please excuse them.\" This is toleration. So satyam śaucam sama dama titikṣā. Toleration. Caitanya Mahāprabhu has instructed, tṛṇād api sunīcena taror api sahiṣṇunā [Cc. Ādi 17.31].\n[“One who thinks himself lower than the grass, who is more tolerant than a tree, and who does not expect personal honor yet is always prepared to give all respect to others can very easily always chant the holy name of the Lord.”]\nTolerance. What kind of tolerance? Tolerance like the straw in the street, like the tree. Amāninā mānadena kīrtanīyaḥ sadā hariḥ. There are so many instances. Let us finish it briefly.\nSo śaucam..., satyaṁ śaucaṁ śamaṁ damaṁ titikṣā ārjavam. Simplicity. A brāhmaṇa should be very simple, not gorgeous. He wants to live, so he wants to eat something, not for the taste of the tongue but just to keep the body and soul together. He must eat nice things. There are nice things—grains, fruits, milk. Why should he take meat? If there are, by nature's products, so many nice things, why one should kill another animal? Desires, of course. [indistinct] Titikṣā, ārjavam, and jñānam [Bg. 18.42].\n[Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, wisdom, knowledge, and religiousness—these are the qualities by which the brāhmaṇas work.]\nNot that simply become qualified, but these qualification are stepping stone to jñānam. Jñānam means knowledge.\nAnd vijñānam. Vijñānam means practical application. Just like in the science class there is theoretical knowledge and practical knowledge. Theoretical knowledge—if you mix hydrogen and oxygen gas, there is water. But we have to experiment it in the laboratory, mix so many parts of hydrogen and so many parts of oxygen, and actually, when we see there is water, then your knowledge is perfect. So not theoretical knowledge but practical application. Jñānam, vijñānam and āstikyam. Āstikyam means faith in God, faith in scripture. That is called āstikyam. According to Vedic version, āstikyam means faith in the Vedas. Nobody can refute the Vedas. That is called faith: no argument.\nA practical example... This practical example is given by Lord Caitanya. It is very nice. In India the cow dung is accepted as pure, although the Vedic injunction is that if you touch stool of an animal, you have to take bath to purify yourself, cleanse yourself. Of course, we see in New York City that the stool of dog is thrown all over the street, and we are touching, but we have no opportunity to take bath. But it is, according to Vedic injunction, if you touch stool of an animal, then you have to take bath immediately.\nTherefore this is a system. When you go to the Deity room, you should change your cloth, because I do not know what things I have touched in the street, so better to change the cloth. And still better to cleanse, to take bath. That is the system. Anyway, to touch the stool of an animal makes one unclean; therefore one has to take bath or purify himself. That is the system. But the Veda says the stool of cow is purified. The stool of cow is purified.\nNow, practically, in India they accept it, and it has been found by chemical examination that the cow dung contains all antiseptic property. That is a fact. One Dr. Goshal, he analyzed in his laboratory, \"Why this Vedic injunction is the stool of cow, or cow dung, is pure?\" So he analyzed, and he found it that the stool of cow, cow dung, is full of antiseptic properties. So this is called faith or theistic, to take the injunction of the scripture as it is, without any reformation. That is called āstikyam.\nThere is another example. Just like the Buddhism. Buddhism was originated in India. Lord Buddha was a Hindu, and he was a prince, and still, Buddhism was not accepted by the Indians. Why? Because the Buddhism decried the Vedas. Nindasi yajña-vidher ahaha śruti-jātaṁ [Śrī Daśāvatāra Stotra 7]. \n[O Keśava! O Lord of the universe! O Lord Hari who have assumed the form of Buddha! All glories to You! Your heart filled with compassion, you decry animal slaughter performed according to the scriptural rules of Vedic sacrifice.]\nŚruti means Veda. So āstikyam means to have full faith in the orders of the scripture. This is also one of the qualification of a brāhmaṇa. Jñānam vijñānam āstikyam brahmā-karma svabhāva-jaṁ [Bg. 18.42]. These are the natural qualification of a brāhmaṇa.\n[Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, wisdom, knowledge, and religiousness—these are the qualities by which the brāhmaṇas work.]\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja says that viprād dvi-ṣad-guṇa-yutādaravinda-nabha. Even a brāhmaṇa, qualified brāhmaṇa who has all these brahminical qualification, but he is not a devotee of the Lord... There are many good, qualified persons, but they do not accept the subordination of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Materially, one may be very much highly qualified. Academically, one may be very highly qualified. But if one is not a believer, faithful, or is not accepting the existence of God, or God the Supreme, he is called atheist.\nAnd Prahlāda Mahārāja does not say atheist, but he says that \"Even one has got all these good qualifications, but if he is not qualified with the faith in God, or not becoming a devotee of God, then he is not qualified. He is rejected.\" You may take his qualification in consideration, but Prahlāda Mahārāja says he is rejected from Kṛṣṇa consciousness for that one disqualification, that he is not a devotee of God.\nSimilarly, in other places it is also confirmed that,\nyasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā\nsarvair guṇais tatra samāsate surāḥ\n[SB 5.18.12]\n[All the demigods and their exalted qualities, such as religion, knowledge and renunciation, become manifest in the body of one who has developed unalloyed devotion for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vāsudeva. On the other hand, a person devoid of devotional service and engaged in material activities has no good qualities. Even if he is adept at the practice of mystic yoga or the honest endeavor of maintaining his family and relatives, he must be driven by his own mental speculations and must engage in the service of the Lord's external energy. How can there be any good qualities in such a man?]\n\"If one is simply unflinching faithful devotee of the Lord, then he develops all the good qualification of demigods.\" Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇā: \"If one is not devotee of the Lord, then he has no good qualification.\" Why? Because manorathenāsato dhāvato bahiḥ: \"Because he is hovering on the mental plane.\" And because he is hovering on the mental plane—the mind's business is to change—so he will change from one platform to another, another platform to another. He has no fixed idea; therefore his qualification has no value.\nIn several places... In the Bhagavad-gītā Lord Kṛṣṇa says, api cet su-durācāro bhajate mām ananya-bhāk [Bg. 9.30]:\n[Even if one commits the most abominable actions, if he is engaged in devotional service, he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated.]\n\"If a person is found even unclean or not very well behaved but he has got unflinching faith in Me, Kṛṣṇa,\" sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ, \"oh, he is sādhu. He is saintly person.\" He is saintly because that one qualification, that he has full faith in God, Kṛṣṇa, that one qualification makes him a saintly person. Others may have all the good qualification, but simply for one minor godlessness, he is nonqualified.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja confirms the same statement. Prahlāda Mahārāja is also a sādhu, because he is a devotee. Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura has said that if you want to make concrete progress in spiritual life, then you have to corroborate the statement of the scriptures, the statements of saintly person, and statement of the spiritual master—three things. Why three things? Because a spiritual master means he does not place anything which is not in the scriptures.\nHe does not say that \"My theory is like this.\" That is not a spiritual master. Similarly, sādhu, saintly person, also does not say anything which is not mentioned in the scriptures. He does not manufacture anything by mental concoction. And what is śāstra, scriptures? They are statement of different saintly persons and spiritual masters.\nTherefore one has to corroborate these three things: scriptures, and statement of saintly persons, and statement of spiritual master. The spiritual master is via media. The disciple, if he cannot understand the statement of the scriptures or any saintly person, he submits his doubts before the spiritual master and he clears it. In this way we have to make progress.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja says that a person, even if he is a brāhmaṇa with good qualification, if he is not a devotee of the Lord, then he is good for nothing. He says, \"He is good for nothing.\" Viprād dvi-ṣad-guṇa-yutāt. And then who is good? Now, śvapacaṁ variṣṭham. Better than him, even a person is born of a very low family... In India it is considered according to Vedic, that low family is considered one who eats the dog, dog-eaters. Of course, there are many kinds of flesh-eaters, but when a man becomes the eater of dog flesh, he is considered to be very low. So śvapacaṁ variṣṭham.\nSo there is a class in India, they are called caṇḍāla. Everywhere there is. They eat dog flesh. So Prahlāda Mahārāja says, \"It doesn't matter. But if he is a devotee of Lord, he is better than that brāhmaṇa, that brāhmaṇa with good qualifications. And he, although he is born of a low family...\" Śvapacaṁ variṣṭham. Why he is variṣṭham? Now, manye tad-arpita-mano: \"Because his mind and attention is always engaged in the service of the Lord.\" That is his qualification. That is making him purified in every moment.\nŚṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ-kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ [SB 1.2.17]. \n[Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of Godhead, who is the Paramātmā [Supersoul] in everyone's heart and the benefactor of the truthful devotee, cleanses desire for material enjoyment from the heart of the devotee who has developed the urge to hear His messages, which are in themselves virtuous when properly heard and chanted.]\nNow, this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, which is full of the narration and topics of the Lord and His devotees... So devotees mean one who talks about God, and God means His pastime with His devotees. Anyway, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam means the topics of the Lord, God. So Kṛṣṇa is within you. According to Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, śṛṇvatām sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇa, those who are hearing about God, or Kṛṣṇa. And what sort of those topics? Now, puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ. One who is narrating and one who is hearing, both of them are being purified. Puṇya. Puṇya means pious, piety.\nSo at least those who are hearing this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, it is so nice that he is being purified. It is not that all of you are my students, or we are not..., we don't claim that we have become fully purified, but we have accepted the purificatory process, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo anyone who hears this chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa and kindly attends this class, he is also purified. Śṛnvatām sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-tanaḥ [SB 1.2.17]. Kīrtana. This chanting is so nice that it makes people, one who is hearing, purified. So a person who is always thinking of Kṛṣṇa, always talking of Kṛṣṇa, then just imagine how much purified he is becoming.\nSo puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ, hṛdy antaḥ stho hy abhadrāṇi vidhunoti suhṛt satyam. The Lord is friend of the devotee, and as soon as He sees—He is within you—that you are engaged in hearing about Him, He helps you. How He helps you? He cleanses your heart. Therefore a person, although he is born of low family, because he is thinking of Kṛṣṇa, or God, always, oh, he is being purified.\nPrahlāda Mahārāja gives us evidence that manye tad-arpita-manaḥ. Because he has placed his life, he has placed his endeavor, everything for Kṛṣṇa, by mind, by his body, by activities, therefore prāṇaṁ punāti sa kulaṁ: he is purifying not only himself but his whole family. This is a prerogative. If a boy becomes a devotee, the whole family becomes purified. Sva-kulaṁ. The whole family becomes purified. What best service he can give otherwise than by becoming the devotee of Lord? That is the best service to his father, mother, forefathers, grandfather, everyone. That we will find in this Prahlāda Mahārāja said, sva-kulaṁ.\nAnd na tu bhūrimānaḥ. But a person who is simply proud of his material qualification, bhūrimānaḥ... Bhūrimānaḥ means puffed up, Mr., Dr. Frog, puffed up:\n[The logic of the frog in the well.]\n\"Oh, I am such and such. I am such and such.\" So he cannot purify himself, what to speak of his family. No. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so nice that if one becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious, he purifies himself. Never mind wherever he is born; it doesn't matter. He is more than a brāhmaṇa, viprād dvi-ṣaḍ-guṇa, with all the qualifications. This is certified by Prahlāda Mahārāja. We have to accept it.\nNobody can say that this Kṛṣṇa consciousness... There are many so-called, I mean to say, brāhmaṇas. They may say like that, that \"How Kṛṣṇa conscious can be spread up in the Western countries?\" No. That is not the fact. That fact, as it is said by Prahlāda Mahārāja: even the lowest of the lowest can be purified. There are many other statements. Kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā ābhīra-śumbhā [SB 2.4.18].\n[Kirātas, Hūṇas, Āndhras, Pulindas, Pulkaśas, Ābhīras, Śumbhas, Yavanas, members of the Khasa races and even others addicted to sinful acts can be purified by taking shelter of the devotees of the Lord, due to His being the supreme power. I beg to offer my respectful obeisances unto Him.]\nThe list has been given. So the Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so nice that anyone who takes to this principle, he becomes greater than the highly qualified brāhmaṇa. That is the statement of Prahlāda Mahārāja.\nThank you very much.",
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"content": "\n Constantly, without any cessation. Is it very difficult? You can chant while you are walking in the street, \"Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" Who checks you? There is no tax, there is no price, and if there is some gain, why don't you try it? If there is any gain by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, oh, it is better to give it a trial. We are not charging anything; the government is not taxing anything. You can chant: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Just see the result. At least for one week you chant. It is very nice thing.\nOne does not require to be highly educated or very rich or very beautiful or very famous. No. Anyone. Anyone. Simply God has given us this tongue, we can vibrate nicely. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, just see the result. I think one of our students, Śrīman Hayagrīva brahmacārī, he will give you a nice experience, when he first came here in this class and chanted on the way, how did he feel. There are many instances. Yes.\nSo our only appeal to you, all people of the world, that we are embarrassed with so many problems. So we say this is the only solution. There is no price; there is no tax; there is no, I mean to say, imposition of previous qualification. Simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. This is our propaganda. And see the result. Sixteen words: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare. And...\nOn the whole, there are three words only: Hare, Kṛṣṇa and Rāma. So these three words, they are nicely set up in sixteen words: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma... So we request everyone to chant this transcendental vibration and see the result. There is no question that you have to change your religion, you have to change your dress, change your occupation. No. Simply go on chanting.\n[pause] [break] ...pratyakṣa avagamaṁ dharmyaṁ su-sukhaṁ kartum avyayam [Bg. 9.2]. \n[This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed.]\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā it is stated that this, this process of devotional service to the Lord, is pratyakṣa avagamaṁ dharmyaṁ. There are many types of religious principles or religiousness, but here is the religion which you can directly perceive. Which you can directly perceive.\nPratyakṣa avagamaṁ dharmyaṁ. And su-sukhaṁ. Su-sukhaṁ means very easy to perform. Very easy. Anyone, even a child, can perform. Su-sukhaṁ kartum avyayam. Avyayam means imperishable. If you chant for a minute, it will never go in vain. Avyayam. It will never go in vain. A great opportunity.\nSo we should take this opportunity. Pratyakṣa ava... Rāja-vidyā rāja-guhyam [Bg. 9.2]. This is called rāja-vidyā, the knowledge, the king of all knowledge. Rāja-guhyam: the king of all confidential things. Rāja-vidyā rāja-guhyaṁ pavitraṁ paramam idam, and very pure, and sublime.\nPratyakṣa avagamaṁ dharmyaṁ: and it is directly perceived; su-sukham, and very easy to perform; avyayam, never to be destroyed. Whatever you do, that is your asset. If you do one percent, that is your asset. So actually it is so. So our request is that you take up this chanting and be happy.\nSo, let us chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [kīrtana] [break] [end]",
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"content": "\n ...means Vedic injunction, and Vedic injunction means directly the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is the sum and substance. Dharma means approved by the Vedas. You cannot manufacture dharma, \"this dharma,\" \"that dharma.\" No. It must be approved by the Vedic injunction.\nAnd next? How this material world is created by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Every religion accepts this: God created this material world.\nyena svadhāmny amī bhāvā\nrajaḥ-sattva-tamomayāḥ\nguṇa-nāma-kriyā-rūpair\nvibhāvyante yathā-tatham\n[SB 6.1.41]\nThe difference between material world and spiritual world is that here in this material world these three qualities are acting. Therefore we find so many different varieties of men. There are three qualities: the quality of goodness, the quality of passion and the quality of ignorance—sattva, rajas, tamas. Now, these qualities, again mixed up, they create several varieties of... Just like three multiplied by three becomes nine. Nine multiplied by nine becomes eighty-one. Eighty-one multiplied by eighty-one, it becomes...\nSo many varieties. Expert color men, they take three colors—that blue, red and yellow—and mixes the color, and varieties of color is manufactured. Similarly, these three guṇas, originally they are coming from the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nIt is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā that the three qualities are also emanated, or generated, from the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And the three qualities are represented by Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśvara. The quality of goodness is represented by Viṣṇu, the quality of passion is represented by Brahmā, and the quality of darkness is represented by Lord Śiva. By the quality of goodness this whole material world is maintained, and by the quality of passion the whole material world is created, and by the quality of ignorance the whole material world is again annihilated. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate [Bg. 8.19].\nThe nature of this material world is that it becomes manifest at a certain time and again it disappears. That is the difference between material world and spiritual world. Spiritual world is eternal. There is no question of occasional appearance and occasional disappearance. Paras tasmāt tu bhāvo 'nyaḥ [Bg. 8.20]. In the Bhagavad-gītā you will find the description that \"There is another nature, bhāva.\" Bhāva means... Svabhāva, bhāva, these are the Sanskrit terms of the nature. So that nature is vyaktāvyakta. This nature is vyakta and avyakta, manifest and nonmanifest.\nSo..., and above this, beyond this manifested and nonmanifest material nature, there is another, spiritual nature, which is sanātana. Sanātana means eternal. And it is also stated, yasmin sarveṣu api naśyatsu na vinaśyate: \"When everything is annihilated, that sanātana nature is not annihilated. That sanātana nature remains as it is.\" That is the spiritual nature and material nature.\nSo these three qualities... As from Viṣṇu, Brahmā is generated, and from Brahmā, Lord Śiva is generated, so original cause is Viṣṇu. And Viṣṇu's cause is Kṛṣṇa. Yasyaika-niśvasita-kāla. In the Brahma-saṁhitā it is said,\nyasyaika-niśvasita-kālam athāvalambya\njīvanti loma-vilajā jagad-aṇḍa-nāthāḥ\nviṣṇur mahān sa iha yasya kalā-viśeṣo\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.48]\nThe Kāraṇārṇavaśāyī Viṣṇu, the Viṣṇu lying in the Causal Ocean of material creation, so He is in the nature of sleeping, ananta. And He is breathing. So yasyaika-niśvasita-kālam athāvalambya. This breathing, exhaling and inhaling, that is going on. So that exhaling and inhaling is the duration of this material existence. When Viṣṇu exhales, whole creation takes place. And when He inhales, the whole creation again is... Prakṛtiṁ yānti māmikām [Bg. 9.7]. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, \"Then it again enters into the nature of the Supreme.\"\nSo with the exhaling of breathing, innumerable universes are being generated. Yasyaika-niśvasita-kālam atha. Niśvasita-kāla, that period. Now, imagine what is that period. Jīvanti loma-vilajā jagad-aṇḍa-nāthāḥ. And also from the holes of the body, many universes are coming out. Such Viṣṇu, the Brahma-saṁhitā says, yasya iha kalā-viśeṣaḥ, such Viṣṇu, Lord Viṣṇu, Kāraṇodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, He is also a plenary portion of Govinda. Just imagine what is Govinda. Yasyaika-niśvasita-kālam athāvalambya jīvanti loma-vilajā [Bs. 5.48].\nThat is also confirmed by Govinda, Kṛṣṇa, in the Bhagavad-gītā: ekāṁśena sthito jagat [Bg. 10.42]. When Arjuna inquired from Kṛṣṇa, \"What is Your opulence?\" then He is describing the opulence, and in that opulence He concludes that \"There is no necessity of describing My opulence very much. You simply understand that the whole material creation is existing in one fourth of My energy.\" So that is understanding of Bhagavad-gītā. We have to understand what is Kṛṣṇa.\nSo here it is also said that yena svadhāmni bhāvāḥ. The svadhāmni bhāvāḥ. This goodness, this passion, this mode, they are also represented in the spiritual world. They are also represented in the spiritual world, svadhāmni bhāvāḥ, but a perverted reflection is represented here only. Everything is there. Otherwise, there cannot be any creation.\nThe Vedānta says, janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]. Everything, whatever we see, it has got a source of generation, and that is Brahman, Absolute Truth. So these guṇas, these material guṇas, they are also generated from the Absolute Truth. That is explained in Bhagavad-gītā also. But here everything is perverted reflection. Therefore we see in a different way it is represented.\nGuṇa-nāma-kriyā-rūpair vibhāvyante yathā-tatham. And those qualities, guṇa-nāma, guṇa-nāma-kriyā-rūpaiḥ, when the qualities begin to act, they are represented in different varieties, these qualities. These qualities of goodness, passion and ignorance, when they are interacted, they represent in different varieties of representation. Just like when there is quality of goodness, then it is brāhmaṇism. That is the representation of the quality of goodness.\nAnd when the quality of passion is represented, that is the quality of kṣatriya. And when the quality of ignorance is represented, that is the presentation of the śūdras. And mixed-up quality of ignorance and passion, that is vaiśya. Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13]. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, that \"These four qualitative representation, brāhmaṇas, kṣatriya...\"\nSo when it is creation by the Supreme Lord, it is not that the brāhmaṇas are to be found only in India. That is another wrong conclusion. Because brāhmaṇas means representation of the quality of goodness. Anywhere you find the quality of goodness, that is brāhmaṇism. So these American, European boys, when they have developed their quality of goodness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they are brāhmaṇas. If they are considered as mlecchas and yavanas, that is nārakīya-buddhi, hellish consideration.\nVaiṣṇave jāti-buddhiḥ: if anyone considers a Vaiṣṇava, a devotee of the Lord, in the categorical estimation of birth, then that is hellish consideration. Vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhiḥ. Arcye viṣṇau śilā-dhīr guruṣu nara-matiḥ [Padma Purāṇa]. Just like here we are worshiping Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Deity. You have all come here early in the morning, and... So does it mean that you are all fools? You have come to see a brass idol is being worshiped here? So anyone who considers the Deity as arcye śilā-dhīḥ, made of stone, made of brass, made of wood, that is nārakī-buddhiḥ. Arcye śilā-dhīḥ. Śilā. Śilā means stone.\nSo those who are unaware of the Vedic knowledge, they consider that this is idol worship. It is not idol worship. It is directly worshiping the Supreme Lord. The Supreme Lord has, by His mercy, descended to accept your service. If you want to dress the Supreme Lord, if you take His virāḍ-rūpa, universal form, where is your cloth and how you can dress? Eh? You haven't got so much cloth. In spite of having so many mills, you cannot dress the virāṭ form. Therefore Kṛṣṇa, by His omnipotency, He becomes a smaller, just to be handled by you. That is His mercy. Not that...\nJust like Kṛṣṇa became a small child of Yaśodā. That does not mean Kṛṣṇa has diminished in His power. He immediately showed. When there was attempt to kill Him by the Pūtanā, immediately He showed His godly power. So we have to study like that, that God in any circumstances is God. God is never made. Any circumstances, God is God. God... Not that by meditation, pressing your nose, you become God. No. That is not God. God is God.\nSo all the... Therefore Rūpa Gosvāmī says,\nśruti-smṛti-purāṇādi-\npañcarātra-vidhiṁ vinā\naikāntikī harer bhaktir\nutpātāyaiva kalpate\n[Brs. 1.2.101]\n\"Their conception of God or devotional service to God without reference to the Vedas, śruti and smṛti, and the purāṇas,\" śruti-smṛti-purāṇa, pañcarātra-vidhi, \"the Nārada Pañcarātra, these regulative principles, without reference to these regulative principles, if one, anyone, claims that he has become a devotee of the Lord, it is simply disturbance.\" It is simply disturbance. One cannot become a bona fide devotee without being trained up under the regulative principles of śruti-smṛti-purāṇādi-pañcarātra-vidhi.\nRūpa Gosvāmī directly says in his Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu that \"Without reference\"—that means without being trained up by a bona fide spiritual master—\"if one poses that he has become a devotee, he simply creates disturbance. That's all.\" That is being done. That is being done. We have got so many so-called devotees, but without any reference to the authoritative scripture; therefore we are creating disturbance. Here it is said that guṇa-nāma..., guṇa-nāma-kriyā-rūpaiḥ. Guṇa-nāma-kriyā-rūpair vibhāvyante yathā-tatham. \nThen again he says,\nsūryo 'gniḥ khaṁ marud devaḥ\nsomaḥ sandhyāhanī diśaḥ\nkaṁ kuḥ svayaṁ dharma iti\nhy ete daihyasya sākṣiṇaḥ\n[SB 6.1.42]\nNow we are acting under the influence of different guṇas. Therefore we find the brahminical class of men, the kṣatriya class of men, the vaiśya class of men, the śūdra class of men. That is natural. Natural. A śūdra class of man, his behavior, and a brāhmaṇa class of man, his behavior, is different. And Nārada Muni says, and Bhāgavata also says, that we have to see the symptoms how one is acting.\nYasya yal lakṣaṇaṁ proktaṁ puṁso varṇābhivyañjakam [SB 7.11.35]. Varṇa, this catur-varṇa—brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra—there are symptoms. By symptoms... Just like a physician diagnoses the disease by the symptoms of the disease, similarly, we have to accept one as brāhmaṇa by the symptoms of his behavior, not by birth. It is not said in the Bhagavad-gītā or any śāstra.\nThat is going on in India at the present moment. By birthright one is claiming, \"I am brāhmaṇa,\" \"I am kṣatriya.\" That is the cause of falldown of India's civilization. Without any quality they are claiming, and it is passing on. Here, in every śāstra—the Nārada Pañcarātra, Bhāgavata, Bhagavad-gītā, everywhere—it is said, yasya yal lakṣaṇaṁ proktam. Yasya: the varṇasya, of the varṇa, of the class, there are symptoms.\nJust like in Bhagavad-gītā you will find, satyaṁ śamaḥ śaucam ārjavaṁ titikṣā, jñānaṁ vijñānam āstikyaṁ brahma-karma svabhāva-jam [Bg. 18.42]. By nature a brāhmaṇa will be truthful. Satyaṁ śamaḥ. He will be controlling of the senses, controlling the mind, very cleansed, śaucam. Satyaṁ śaucaṁ śamaḥ damaḥ titikṣā, tolerant. Even in the severest type of danger, he is never disturbed. Tolerant. Satyaṁ śamaḥ damaḥ śaucam ārjavam, and simplicity; jñānam, full of knowledge; and vijñānam, practical application in life; āstikyam, firm faith in the scripture and Kṛṣṇa—these are the qualification of brāhmaṇa.\nSimilarly, the kṣatriyas' qualification—they want to rule over. A kṣatriya never goes away from fighting. He is never afraid of fighting. He never, I mean to say, he is afraid of the challenge of the other party. Just like Jarāsandha. Jarāsandha was a kṣatriya, and he was... At the same time, a kṣatriya's quality is charitable. Formerly the kings, they would distribute money like anything. They would collect money by taxing, but at the same time, they would distribute.\nThe example is given in the case of Mahārāja Daśaratha, that he was exacting taxes just like the sunshine exacts water from the sea, and it turns into cloud and it distributes all over the planet. Similarly, the kṣatriya's duty is to collect... Government's duty is to collect tax, heavily tax. But the money should be distributed to all the citizens by different way.\nThat is the way, dāna-bhāva-jam. Not that I collect tax and I engage it in my sense gratification; I employ three hundred prostitutes for dancing before me. These are... This is the cause of falling down of monarchy system. Therefore people are in democracy. And the democracy is also failure. Every democratic member has become another debauchee. So therefore it is coming down to Communism, dictatorship. You see? So in this way things are changing. But actually, if they follow the symptoms of a kṣatriya, then it is good for the kṣatriya king and the citizens.\nBut they are not following. Therefore śāstra says that the brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra... If one is... Kṛṣi-vāṇijyam, go-rakṣya. That is the symptom of the vaiśya. As the kṣatriyas are entrusted to protect the human beings, the vaiśya is expected to protect the cows. Unfortunately, they are not doing that. There is no kṣatriya; there is no brāhmaṇa; there is no vaiśya. Therefore the śāstra says, kalau śūdra-sambhavaḥ [Skanda Purāṇa]: \"In the Kali-yuga there is only śūdras\"; there is no more brāhmaṇa. Of course, there is; not \"no more,\" but very minor quantity, very...\nManuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu [Bg. 7.3]. Brāhmaṇa means one who is aware of the Supreme Absolute Truth. And one who is above brāhmaṇa, when the Absolute Truth is worshiped, that is Vaiṣṇava. A brāhmaṇa may be qualified in so many ways, but if he is not a Vaiṣṇava, then he cannot be a spiritual master. That is also stated in the śāstra: ṣaṭ-karma-nipuṇo vipraḥ. A brāhmaṇa is very qualified, ṣaṭ-karma. Ṣaṭ-karma, six kinds of activities. The six kinds of activities are paṭhana-pāṭhana yajana-yājana dāna-pratigraha. \n[poor audio] Paṭhana means he must be very much serious in understanding the Vedic literatures. That is brāhmaṇa's qualification [end poor audio],\n...very much studious, high-class scholar in Vedic literature, paṭhana. And pāṭhana, he must teach the Vedic knowledge.\nFormerly, therefore, you know, everyone, that in every village the brāhmaṇa had a catuṣpāṭhī. The brāhmaṇa had no other business. He would sit down in his cottage, and he would teach Vedic literature. Even in Muhammadan, the, what is called, maulanas, they also teach Koran. That is brahminical quality, paṭhana-pāṭhana. Not that \"I am very much learned; I will not distribute it. I shall...\"\nThat is called jñāna-khala, envious, even he has knowledge. The spiritual knowledge must be distributed. That is the system of our Vaiṣṇava philosophy. Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanam [SB 7.5.23]. The śravaṇam is paṭhana, to learn from the spiritual master. That is called śravaṇam. And then kīrtanam, then distribute the knowledge. Whatever you have learned from your spiritual master, you must distribute. Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanam.\nSo paṭhana-pāṭhana yajana-yājana. Yajana means worshiping the Lord, the Deity. And yājana, and inducing others to engage in that worshiping. This is going on. You kindly mark in this Society, we are allowing the students..., giving them volumes of books for reading, paṭhana. Then pāṭhana, then teach others. And they are worshiping the Lord, and they are inviting others to come here and learn how to worship Lord.\nPaṭhana-pāṭhana yajana-yājana dāna-pratigraha [SB 5.17.11 puport]. They are exacting money: \"Give us some money. Become our member.\" But what is that membership fee? That is not being utilized for their sense gratification. For dāna, for distributing knowledge. \"You give us some money as membership fee. We give you whatever we have got. We have got this book. Take it.\" Dāna-pratigraha.\nSo this is brahminical business. Paṭhana-pāṭhana yajana-yājana dāna-pratigraha. Again...\n[aside:] You can...\nAgain, in the śāstra it is said that ṣaṭ-karma-nipuṇo vipro mantra-tantra-viśāradaḥ [Padma Purāṇa]: \"If a brāhmaṇa has become very much expert in this six kinds of business,\" and mantra-tantra-viśāradaḥ, \"and he knows also all the mantras and tantras, but he is impersonalist or voidist, then he cannot become guru.\" Avaiṣṇavo gurur na syāt [Padma Purāṇa].\nIn spite of having all these qualities, if he is impersonalist and voidist, he cannot become spiritual master. Avaiṣṇavo gurur..., syād vaiṣṇavaḥ śvapaco guruḥ: \"On the other hand, if a person is Vaiṣṇava, devotee of the Lord, even if he is born in the family of caṇḍāla, less than the śūdra, he can become the spiritual master.\" These are the injunctions of the śāstra.\nSo guṇa-nāma-kriyā-rūpair vibhāvyante yathā-tatham [SB 6.1.41]. Sūryaḥ agniḥ. Now, the creation, the God's creation, is going on, and we are acting under the influence of the material qualities. As such, when we act in tamo-guṇa, we become entangled with so many sinful activities. Tamo-guṇa. Tamo-guṇa means ignorance. We have to act, because in the material world sometimes we are under the influence of goodness, sometimes we are under the influence of passion, sometimes we are under the influence of ignorance.\nSo when we are in ignorance... Everyone commits sin or criminal activities simply by ignorance. Ignorance. Just like by ignorance a child touches a fire. The fire will not excuse. Because it is a child, he does not know, therefore the fire excuses? It does not burn his hand? No. Even it is child, the fire must act. It burns. Similarly, ignorance is no excuse of law. If you commit some sin and go to the law court, and if you plead, \"Sir, I did not know this law,\" that is no excuse. You have committed this criminal activity; even though you did not know the law, that does not mean you will be excused.\nTherefore all sinful activities are done in ignorance or in mixed-up passion and ignorance. Therefore one has to raise himself to the quality of goodness. He must be good, very good man. And if you want to become very good man, then you have to follow these regulative principles: no illicit sex life, no meat-eating, no intoxication, no gambling. These are the four pillars of sinful life. If you indulge in these four principles of sinful life, you cannot become a good man.\nAnd if there is want of good men, how you can expect peace and prosperity in the world? If everyone is full of rascaldom, how you can expect? You are... Why you are accusing the government? The government is your representative. You are rascals, fools, you select some rascal and fool, how you can expect good government? Democracy. You become good man. You will see government is good.\nSo therefore the mass education should be how to become good man. And how one can become good man? That is also stated in the śāstras: yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā sarvair guṇais tatra samāsate surāḥ [SB 5.18.12]. If one is simply made a devotee and he has got unflinching faith in God, Kṛṣṇa, then all the good qualities automatically develop.\nSo therefore this is the duty. This is duty of this Society, to make everyone a devotee, a sincere, a pure devotee of Kṛṣṇa. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. If you make the people all good, you will have good society, you will have good government. You will have everything good. And if you create rascals and fools, how you can expect good government? That is not possible. Therefore all serious, thoughtful men should take it that Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is very, very essential in this world.\nThank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances] [break]",
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"content": "\n A devotee becomes more surrendered because the influence of the modes, the three modes, becomes diminished, or is the influence just changed from ignorance and passion to goodness?",
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"content": "\n The surrender means surrender to whom?",
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"content": "\n To Kṛṣṇa and to Your Divine Grace.",
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"content": "\n So that surrender means to accept his orders. The spiritual master trains the disciple in the way of goodness quality. So if you do not abide the orders of spiritual master, what is the use of your surrender? Surrender means ānukūlyasya saṅkalpaḥ prātikūlyasya varjanam [Hari-bhakti-vilāsa 11.676]. Anukūla, favorable things, should be accepted. And you do not know.\nTherefore spiritual master will direct you, \"This is favorable. This is unfavorable. Don't smoke—this is unfavorable.\" But if you don't accept the instruction, what is the meaning of surrender? Simply by offering obeisances, falling flat for the time being, that is not surrender.",
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"content": "\n Daṇḍavat.",
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"content": "\n Daṇḍavat class. Surrender means you must abide strictly the orders, sad-dharma-pṛcchā, ādau gurvāśrayam. To accept a guru means... Śiṣya means one must agree to be governed by the spiritual master. That is called śiṣya. Śiṣya... Śās-dhātu. From śās-dhātu all these terms—śāstra, śastra, śiṣya, śāsana—these are words derived from the root śās-dhātu. \nŚās-dhātu means śāsana, governing. The governing is done by military, governing is done by law books, governing is done by personal instruction, so many things. So śiṣya means who voluntarily accepts to be guided or being governed by the representative of God. That is śiṣya. Yes.",
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"content": "\n In regard to worshiping arcā-vigraha form, you have explained that if one receives a mantra from a spiritual master who is not bona fide, that mantra has no effect. So I would like to ask if one is worshiping a Deity and the instruction of his spiritual master is not bona fide, so that Deity cannot be considered the Supreme Lord?",
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"content": "\n Well, first of all, thing is if the spiritual master is not bona fide, how his mantra can be bona fide? Your statement is contradictory. If you say the spiritual master is not bona fide, then how his mantra becomes bona fide? If he is bona fide, then his mantra is bona fide.",
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"content": "\n Then why is he giving instruction to worship the Deity? If the spiritual master is not bona fide, then is the Deity also not bona fide?",
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"content": "\n I do not follow. What does he say?",
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"content": "\n His idea is that if one receives a mantra from a spiritual master, if the spiritual master is not bona fide...",
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"content": "\n Then there is no question of mantra, there is no question of worshiping Deity. These are all bogus things. If you are not... Just like here is a young medical man. If he has not received instruction from a bona fide medical college, so what is the value of his medical, being... That is... What is called? What is the technical name?",
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"content": "\n Quack.",
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"content": "\n Quack! [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Quack.",
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"content": "\n A quack is not a medical man, however he may show all red bottles, white bottles. There is a Bengali proverb, naj jal yac curi tini ei daktar.[?] One stethoscope, naj[?], and some bottles, jala, and talking all nonsense, he becomes a doctor. That means the quack doctor, not a... Qualified doctor, he knows what is what. So naj jal yac curi tini ei daktar[?]. In Bengali they say. And mostly in villages they go on like that. But of course, they have got some experience.\nI know in Allahabad there was a doctor, Kabir, a Dr. Kabir. And because in my previous household life I was a chemist and druggist, I was supplying medicine, so he was my customer. So he had that... This Dr. Kabir was a compounder. Later on he practiced. So he had very, very big prac... He was my biggest customer. He was purchasing medicine like anything. But he had experience. He learned from an experienced doctor. He cannot be called a bogus, because whatever he learned, he was...\nBut generally, one who is not a bona fide doctor, he is called a quack. So anything, experience required; not that you have to go to the medical college. If you are trained under a bona fide doctor, then also you can get the quality of a doctor. Similarly, the whole thing is tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. One should go to the bona fide spiritual master to learn this transcendental science.",
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"content": "\n There is a..., just a quotation from Bengali poet that to be devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa, one should be fully trained without any [indistinct]. And it is often said that in this Kali-yuga, even if you do not know, or if you are not studied any books, but if you know only bhakti, then you can be...",
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"content": "\n What is that? If you know bhakti... That's a very big task. If you know actually bhakti, then it is all good. But do you know what is bhakti? First thing is that.",
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"content": "\n Means worshiping God. By understanding this mantra, Hare Kṛṣṇa, if you do not know any scriptures, you do not know śrutis, mantras, anything, then has any effect at all?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes, because this is a special advantage for the people in this age, that if he chants this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra without any offense, purely, then... There are three stages of chanting this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. In the beginning there are full of offenses. Then it is almost offenseless. And then, when it is pure, that is perfectional stage.\nSo by chanting, if you practice chanting, even though in the beginning it is full of offenses, but if you continue chanting... Therefore we say that \"You must chant so many times.\" So even there are offenses, by chanting, chanting, chanting, chanting, he will be purified. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].\nSo therefore, in this age we must stick to this process of chanting. That will make us perfect. If not immediately, it will do, certainly. That is special advantage for the men of this age. Kaler doṣa-nidhe rājann asti hy eko mahān guṇaḥ. Mahān guṇaḥ. It is a great advantage. What is that? Kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya [SB 12.3.51]:\n\"Simply by chanting Lord Kṛṣṇa's name,\" mukta-saṅga, 'he becomes free from all contamination and he becomes eligible to be promoted to the spiritual kingdom.\" That is special advantage of this age. Therefore we are advising, we are preaching, that \"You chant this mantra. In any condition of life, begin chanting. You will be benefited.\" Yes.",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, you mentioned a person who commits sins because he is in ignorance.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n What if the person knows what he is doing is wrong, and he knows what the ultimate result of his doings is also wrong, but he still commits? Is that still ignorance?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is ignorance-rooted, ignorance..., heart, rooted in the heart. That can be... Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu recommends ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. You have to cleanse your heart. Then, when your heart is cleansed, then you will say, \"No, no. No more I am going to do this. I have suffered so much. No. No.\" That is real knowledge.\nUnless your heart is cleansed, then, even though you know that \"By committing theft I will be punished,\" you will commit, because the heart is not clear. Even though one knows that \"By doing this, I will suffer,\" still, he will do that. That distinction is always there. Therefore the only method is this cleansing process in this age, Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra.",
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"content": "\n In the Fourteenth Chapter in the Gītā, you describe that the mode of goodness..., people who are in the mode of goodness become conditioned by that mode, and they come back repeated births as philosophers, educators, like that.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n And then in the Eighteenth Chapter there are different qualities described, and the qualities in the mode of goodness are said to be leading to self-realization. So is there a distinction between that mode of goodness described in the Eighteenth Chapter and the Fourteenth Chapter?",
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"content": "\n No. Goodness is a chance. If you acquire... Just like if you become a graduate, there is chance of becoming a lawyer. But if you do not become a lawyer, you remain only graduate. That's all. But without becoming graduate they cannot enter to be a lawyer. Similarly, goodness is the qualification of a brāhmaṇa. A brāhmaṇa has a chance.\nWhen you are qualified, you are following the regulative principles, qualified, you have got the chance of being promoted to become a Vaiṣṇava. That is the advantage. But in this age... Again, the same thing. Even one is not a brāhmaṇa—he is in the category of caṇḍāla—still, if he chants this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, he becomes elevated to the position more than a brāhmaṇa. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Is that called purified goodness?",
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"content": "\n Purified... Goodness is purified, but this material world is so made that you cannot have here absolute goodness. That is not possible. There is... Sometimes it is mixed with passion, mixed with ignorance. Mixture. You see? Therefore the transcendental stage is called śuddha-sattva. Sattva-guṇa is goodness, and the platform where the other qualities cannot contaminate even the quality of goodness, that is the stage of devotion. That is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nmāṁ ca 'vyabhicāreṇa\nbhakti-yogena ya sevate\nsa guṇān samatītyaitān...\n[Bg. 14.26]\nAll the guṇas... He transcends all the three guṇas. He remains in the fourth stage. Therefore Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is so powerful. If you keep yourself always chanting, you will stay on the..., above goodness, where this passion, the mode of passion and ignorance, cannot touch you.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Is it true that all this [indistict]... [break] [end]\nśruti-smṛti-purāṇādi-\npañcarātra-vidhiṁ vinā\naikāntikī harer bhaktir\nutpātāyaiva kalpate\n\"Devotional service of the Lord that ignores the authorized Vedic literatures like the Upaniṣads, Purāṇas and Nārada-pañcarātra is simply an unnecessary disturbance in society.\"\nBhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.101\ntad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet\nsamit-pāṇiḥ śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham\n\"To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.\"\n[Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12]",
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"content": "\n [introducing recording] Evening, September 23rd, continuation of questions by African intelligentsia.",
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"content": "\n ...yesterday? Hmm?",
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"content": "\n[to guest] ...yesterday you asked a question. Do you remember? \"What is our beginning?\" Is that it? \"Why are we existing?\"",
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"content": "\n Hmm? What is that question?",
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"content": "\n [to guest] You ask.",
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"content": "\n That I have already answered, that there is no beginning, because we are part and parcel of God. God is ever-existing; therefore His parts and parcels are also ever-existing. There is no beginning. The…, we are taking into account of beginning because we have got this material body. The material body has beginning, just like this material body is taken into account when it is born. But the spirit soul is ever-existing. The beginning is, means, the beginning of this material body. The spirit soul has no beginning, no end.\nJust like in this present life you can realize that, as I explained yesterday, that you had a body of babyhood, then you had a body of boyhood, now you have got a body of youthhood. The body is changing, but you are the same. You can remember when you were playing with other children in your childish body. The same you, who is still existing in this body, he was in that childhood body. Similarly, when you get old, old means your body gets old. Just like I have got. I am old man; I can remember my childhood, I can remember my youthhood.\nSo this soul is existing, but the body is changing. Therefore this soul existed before getting this body, and soul continue to exist after annihilation of this body. Is it clear? Therefore the soul is ever-existing: there is no beginning, no end. The end and beginning is calculated in terms of this body, material body. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is clearly stated there that this change of body is going on, so when this body will be changed, tathā dehāntara-prāptir [Bg. 2.13]: āntaram, another. After giving up this body, the soul gets another body, dehāntaram. \nDhīras tatra na muhyati: those who are sober, those who are educated, intelligent, they do not bewilder. They know that this soul has now left this body and it has gone to another body. Just like if I leave this apartment, any one of you will understand that I have gone to another apartment. Does not… Because I have left this apartment, it does not mean that I am no longer existing. This is the position of the soul.\nWe can experiment, or verify, this knowledge even in this life. The same example: I was existing in my childhood body, I was existing in my boyhood body, I was existing in my youthhood body. The body is changing, but I am there. So I will exist when this body is changing. Is there any difficulty to understand?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] so one who then exists when the body is dead [indistinct]?\n He is asking if God still exists.",
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"content": "\n Exists in exactly the same way. When your childhood body is no longer, how you are existing?",
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"content": "\n Well, after all, at the present moment you haven't got your childhood body. Similarly, when you will not have this body, why not another body? What is the difficulty? You have got experience in this life that you were existing in your body when it was baby. Just like this child: when he will grow up, the father, mother will not cry or lament, \"Oh, where is my son? Where is my son?\" He knows that \"My son has got another body, but he is existing.\" Therefore the very word is used, dhīras tatra na muhyati. Dhīra. Dhīra means those who are sober, cool-headed. Dhīras tatra na muhyati. \nExactly the same example, that this so many children there are, so when they will grow up the mother will not lament. The mother knows that \"My child is there; the body has changed.\" Another example can be given that if somebody has seen a child, say a one-year-old child, and he is absent… It is my practical experience: one of my Godbrother, he left home when his child was one year old, and then after twenty-five or thirty years, his boy came to see him—he could not recognize him. Why? There is change of body. One had to introduce his son, \"This is your son.\" \"Oh!\" [laughter] [laughs] Similarly, we are changing bodies, but the same son he could not recognize.\nThere were many instances. Just like there is a story of Sohrab Rostam. You know? The father killed his boy. They did not know they are father and son, and they fought, and when the boy was killed, then his father knew, \"Oh, he is my son!\" [aside:] Aiye, aiye, bhaite. The body is changing, but the soul is there. Why Rostam lamented for killing his child? Because he could not recognize that \"He was my child. I could not…,\" because he was long, long away from home. So he killed his child.\nThis is very simple fact; try to understand. This is the first beginning of spiritual education. Unless one understands that spirit soul is everlasting, nityaḥśāśvato 'yaṁ, na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre… [Bg. 2.20] That is the description in the Bhagavad-gītā, that the spirit soul is eternal; it does not annihilate after the annihilation of this body. And this spirit soul has no beginning. The spirit soul is part and parcel of God. As God is ever-existing, similarly, the spirit soul is ever-existing. Just like as the sun is existing, the sunshine is also existing.\nThe example of the spirit soul is like the molecular parts in the sunshine. The sunshine is combination of so many atomic shining particles. This is natural. They are different. The sun-shining particles, they are different. But because they are combined together… Everything is atomic combination—in water also; in land also—similarly, the sunshine is combination of molecules, shining molecular parts. So as the sun is existing, the sunshine is also existing. Similarly, as God is existing, the part and parcel of God, shining particles, spirit souls, they are also existing. They are also existing.\nSo clear this part. Any one of you, first of all clear this part. That is the first stage for advancing in spiritual education. What is the difficulty in understanding?",
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"content": "\n The only difficulty… I, when I die, when I die and [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n You don't die. That is my proposition.",
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"content": "\n My form dies.",
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"content": "\n Form, yes!",
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"content": "\n Eh…",
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"content": "\n Just like if you change this dress.",
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"content": "\n Now the soul will be given to somebody else, probably. Is that what you say?\n The soul will be given to somebody else? After using this body, the soul is given to somebody else?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Somebody else... That I have already explained: karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa, jantur dehopapattaye [SB 3.31.1]. According to your karma, according to your pure desire—karma means desire—at the time of your death, if your desire will create a situation, mental situation. Just like a businessman, always thinking of his business; a thief is always planning how to steal; a professor is always thinking how to make a solution of the mathematic problem. Everyone has got different consciousness. So at the time of death, the consciousness created by you by your present activities will carry you to similar bodies.\nThe example is given, just like air flowing through a rose garden, it carries very nice flavor. Similarly, the air passing through filthy place, it carries very bad smell. Is it not? Eh? Similarly, the mind, intelligence and ego is very subtle, subtler than the air. It carries a certain consciousness, and that creates another body. The soul is carried by that consciousness and put into the womb of a particular type of mother through the semina of the father, and the soul grows body in the womb of the mother. Just like a tiger grows the tiger body, a man grows a man's body, the hog grows the hog's body. The body is grown in the mother's body, and when it is complete it comes out and becomes this body.\nTherefore this human form of life is a chance to understand his real position. In other lives other than human form of life, they are coming by nature's law, by evolution, transmigration—evolution, Darwin's theory of evolution. But the process of evolution are just like there is evolution in human life. There are 4,000 [sic] species of human life. They are 8,400,000 species of different forms of life, so other than human beings, there are 8,000,000 forms, and in the human form of life there are 4,000 [sic] human species of life. Therefore we find so many varieties; the two bodies will never coincide exactly, the different forms of life.\nSo when one comes to the human form of life, never mind whether he is highly advanced civilized life or uncivilized life, the human form life has got a special privilege to understand his position. It doesn't matter whether he is European or American or Indian or brāhmaṇa or śūdra—these are of course bodily differentiation—but the human consciousness is there. Therefore if we utilize this human consciousness and try to understand our constitutional position, \"What I am?\" and if I can understand that I am spirit soul, part and parcel of God, then my life is perfect.\nSo this understanding, this education, is not hampered. It is not that only the Indian brāhmaṇas will be able to understand and not the Africans will be able to…, able to understand. No. Everyone will be able to, because that human consciousness is there. So my request to you African people is that you are now a growing nation; you try to grow from the solid basic principles of life, understanding, that spiritual understanding. Then your life will be very much successful; you will be an example in the world.\nAt the present moment people are degrading, degrading in this sense: that instead of understanding his spiritual basis of life, they are understanding on the material [indistinct], which is known. He is not this body, but we are trying to adjust things on this bodily concept of life. The United Nations, they are trying to adjust things, but the basic mistake is there, that all the people are simply assembled there, they are in bodily concept of life, therefore they cannot make any solution. And actually that has happened. They are trying for so many years, but because they are in bodily concept of life, according to Bhāgavat they are all asses:\nyasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke\nsva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ\nyat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile na karhicij\njaneṣv abhijñeṣu sa eva go-kharaḥ\n[SB 10.84.13]\nPersons, yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke… Kuṇape: this is a bag of three elements, kapha, pitta, vāyu. According to Āyurveda, this body is developed on three material principles: kapha, pitta..., pitta, vāyu, air. Kapha, pitta, vāyu. The Āyurvedic treatment is on these three principles. Their method of treatment is they can feel the pulse, and by the beating of the pulse they can understand how these three elements are working.\nAnd on that principle immediately there are formulas in the Āyurveda that if the pulse is beating like this, then the position of the body is like this. So they will enquire from you the symptoms, and if you say \"Yes,\" immediately they will prescribe medicine. That is Āyurvedic medicine.\nSo this body, you may not understand what is kapha, pitta, vāyu, but we can understand it very easily that if you dissect this body you will find some mucus, some blood, some muscles, some bones and so on. Does it mean that I am a combination of bones, muscles, blood, urine and stool? As such intelligence is coming from bones and biles and urine and stool? No. Therefore anyone who is accepting this body as the self is an ass. Can you combine intelligence by combining the stool, urine and blood and bones and biles and mucus? Can you make a human intelligence? Is it possible?",
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"content": "\n No, I don't think.",
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"content": "\n That is not possible. They are scientists, but if you analyze this body you will find all these things. So if these biles and the bones and the stool and the urine and blood can be found outside also, so if you combine them and produce an intelligence like a great scientist or great [indistinct], that is not possible. Therefore Bhāgavat says, yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke [SB 10.84.13]: if we accept this combination of these three dhātus as self, then we are nothing but ass.\nTherefore the first spiritual understanding is that we should try to understand that \"I am not this body.\" That is Vedic education: ahaṁ brahmāsmi, just to understand that \"I am not this body; I am spirit soul. I am Brahman.\" And when you come to that understanding, then you actually become happy: Na śocati na kāṅkṣati, brahma-bhūtaḥ [Bg. 18.54]. When you come to that understanding of spirit soul, then there is no more lamenting and no more hankering.\nWe are embarrassed by two things: what we haven't got we are simply hankering after it. Just like you African people or Indian people, they hankered after independence. They got independence—India has got independence—but where is the happiness? It is simply [indistinct] simply hankering. So, so long you shall be in bodily concept of life, these two things—hankering and lamenting: hankering after something which we do not possess, and lamenting after something which you have lost.\nSo as soon as you come to the spiritual understanding, there is no more hankering and lamenting. This is the science. Na śocati na kāṅkṣati. Samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu: at that time one can see all people, all living entities, equally—universal brotherhood. That is the real platform. So they are trying to establish the universal platform…, brotherhood on the platform of these asses' understanding: \"I am this body.\" But how the asses can make universal brotherhood? Is it possible? No. They cannot do. Asses are asses. Sa eva go-kharaḥ. Kharaḥ means asses. Yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape.\nFirst of all, first education should be that… Therefore our students formerly were sent to gurukula to have this spiritual understanding, brahmacārī, that \"I am not this body. I am spirit soul.\" So where is the soul's activity? Perhaps throughout the whole world the activity of soul can be seen in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement: no bodily activity. This boy, Brahmānanda Swami, his father has got very lucrative manufacturing concern.\nHe is manufacturing the plastic boxes; very profitable business. But he has left…, his eldest son, very beloved son, pet son, but he has left. Why? Because he has come to the spiritual understanding. He has understood that \"I have nothing to do with this material engagement.\"\nSo unless people come to the spiritual understanding, there is no question of United Nation. It is simply bluff, or impossible. It is not possible. The first education is to know yourself, what you are: ahaṁ brahmāsmi, \"I am the spirit soul. I am not this body.\"\nSo it is clear that you are existing, your body is changing. Similarly, when this body will be changed, you will exist. What is the difficulty in understanding this simple fact? I am existing after changing so many bodies in this life—I was a child, I was a boy, I was a young man, so I am now an old man—so when I give up this body, why shall I not exist? What is the difficulty to understand? This is first understanding.",
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"content": "\n If my real identity is spirit soul, what do I look like? What do I really look like?",
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"content": "\n That you can understand by an analogy. You look like with two hands and two heads, er, two legs and one head. Unless you have got a head, you have got two hands, you have got two legs, how this body has developed with hands and legs? This body is called dress. Just like if you go to a tailor, he immediately measures your hands and legs and makes your coat and shirt.\nSimilarly, unless you have got hands and legs and head, how this head and legs and hands have come out? Is it very difficult to understand what is your form? You can understand your form by the form of your dress. If this body is dress, then from the form of the dress you can understand your whole form.",
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"content": "\n Hmm. But very small?",
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"content": "\n Certainly. That is also described, that is one ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair.\nkeśāgra-śata-bhāgasya\nśatadhā kalpitasya ca\njīvo bhāgaḥ sa vijñeyaḥ\nsa ānantyāya kalpate\n[Cc. Madhya 19.140]\nĀnantyāya: many, innumerable, unlimited number. Sa ānantyāya kalpate.\nnityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām\neko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān\n[Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]\nThese are Vedic injunctions. As you have got a spiritual body, very small, similarly the Personality of Godhead, He has got a spiritual body. [aside:] You are going?",
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"content": "\n All right. So there's no difficulty...",
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"content": "\n…to understand your form. You are not formless. That cannot be.",
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"content": "\n So this spirit spark, this very small spark, has form?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Hah.",
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"content": "\n That spirit spark is in the microbic germ and in the elephant also.",
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"content": "\n Hmm.",
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"content": "\n They have got different bodies, but the same spirit soul is there.",
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"content": "\n Now which one of these two, body and spirit, makes probably good or bad activities? Is it the bodies or souls?",
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"content": "\n Good or bad activities, there you have to follow. Just like in your state there is law book, and the law book it is said, \"You do not do this. You do this.\" If you're doing… Just like you are marking in your railway department, so there are… What do you call? Regulative books?",
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"content": "\n Regulations.",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n Regulations.",
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"content": "\n Regulation books. So if you follow the regulation, that is good. If you don't follow the regulation, that is bad. That is the standard of good and bad. So as you have got in the railway department some regulative principles, so why not in the big, gigantic universal state some principles which is given by God?\nTherefore in the Bhāgavat it is stated, dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītaṁ [SB 6.3.19]. Religion means the regulative principles given by God. You cannot manufacture religion. Religion means regulative principles given by God—that is religion. Mr. Patel, is that all right? \"The regulative principles given by God is religion.\" Is there any defect in the definition?",
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"content": "\n I don't understand that.",
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"content": "\n Just like you have got regulative principles given by your railway authorities, is it not?",
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"content": "\n Similarly, the regulative principles which are given by God, that is called religion.",
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"content": "\n Which are these?",
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"content": "\n Which are these?",
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"content": "\n That you find from the religious book. Just like the Christian religion books, the regulative principles is given, Ten Commandments: \"Thou shall not kill.\" But if you are killing, then you are not Christian. You are violent; you're becoming sinful.",
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"content": "\n Is this also, I mean, a material given in Kṛṣṇa's book or philosophy?",
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"content": "\n In any book or philosophy. We are not bringing… Religion means the regulative principles given by God. That is religion. Any religion you take—Christian religion, Hindu religion, Muslim religion—there are regulative principles. So if you follow the regulative principles, then you are following the, I mean to say, orders of God, then you are religious.\nSo religious… Different types of religions are created according to time, circumstances and people. Just like in Christian religion the first commandment is \"Thou shall not killing.\" \"Thou shall not kill,\" that means it was preached among certain classes of men who were engaged in matters of killing. Is it not?",
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"content": "\n Otherwise why it is commanded, \"Thou shall not kill\"? So there are different classes of men; therefore we find different types of religion. Where there are men very highly advanced, who have nothing to do with killing, their instruction is different. Their instruction is: \"Just try to understand that you are spirit soul, you're not this matter.\" And one who cannot understand this principle, the primary moral principles are taught: \"Thou shall not kill,\" \"Thou shall not [indistinct],\" \"Thou shall not...\"\nSo this is also religious principle; that is also religious principle. Just like in pocket dictionary, this is called also dictionary, and the Webster's International Dictionary is a very big volume—that is also dictionary. But that dictionary is meant for a class of men and this dictionary is meant for another class of men. But both of them are dictionaries. Similarly, the different types of religious system is due to different types of men. But when you actually come to spiritual understanding, then you have to understand yourself, self-realization: that you are not body, you are not matter—you are spirit soul.",
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"content": "\n First of all just try to put some question. Let us try to understand this.",
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"content": "\n [to guest] Weren't you asking also that which of these two creates good and bad activities—the body or the soul?\n What I don't understand, actually, is that whether it is the body which makes bad activities or good activities, or is it the soul itself which decides to make these good activities or bad activities?",
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"content": "\n The body is the instrument. Just like if I want to drink this water, so this tongue is the instrument to taste it. And when I taste this water, my thirst is immediately gone. So tongue is the instrument for tasting this water. Similarly, if I want..., if I desire some particular type of enjoyment, Kṛṣṇa, or God, gives me a type of instrumental body, and I shall enjoy. The body is the instrument. The Sanskrit word is called karam. Karam. Karam means doing. Karaṇeṇa. Karaṇeṇa means by the instrument, by the bodily instrument.\nSo you are given. God is so kind that if I want, if I desire to enjoy something… I shall give you another example. You find that the hog, it eats, it eats stool. But it has got a different type of mouth. A tiger has got different type of mouth; a human being has got a different type of mouth—so different instrumental body. That body is offered by superior management, daiva-netreṇa. Daiva means superior, or godly; netreṇa, \"by supervision.\" You are not the maker of your body. Is that right?",
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"content": "\n Your body is made different, my body is made different, his body is different. Therefore I am not the maker of the body. I can desire that I want to enjoy this type of facility, and God gives you a type of body to enjoy that facility.",
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"content": "\n So should one believe then that one is born a thief, is born a murderer, is born good? The soul, is he so envious, born all these way?",
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"content": "\n The soul is always good, but, just like the example is, just like fire and the sparks of the fire: fire is also fire, and the small sparks of the fire, they are also fire. Is it not? Fire… You have seen sparks of fire?",
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"content": "\n Are they not fire?",
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"content": "\n But sometimes they fall out of the fire, and when it is out of the fire, it is no longer fire; it is extinguished. Is it not? You have seen in so many fireplace a phut! phut! There are so many sparks. And as soon as the spark out of the fire it is extinguished. A minute before it was fire, but as soon as it falls down, separated from the fire, it is no longer fire. It is fire, but the potency of fire, illumination is gone.\nSimilarly… [aside:] Come on. Similarly, we are also fire, but as soon as we have separated from God, our that fire quality, illuminative quality, is lost, the spiritual illuminative quality. But it can be revived if that spark, that particle of coal or carbon, if it is again put into the fire it will be fire. It will become fire.\nSo by our desire to lord it over the material nature we have come in this material world, and God has given us facilities, that \"You enjoy this material world to your best capacity.\" And we are doing that. That is hard struggle for existence. But we are not happy.",
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"content": "\n Even if as you say that you have..., I have a soul, and after having a soul like Russian, American and Dutch, now why didn't we have, I mean, all these different, different minds, or divisions…, varieties and divisions…",
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"content": "\n Different minds, that the constitution of mind. Just like my…, you are sitting here, but others, they left. The mind dictated, \"Oh, what is the use of sitting?\" They cannot utilize the situation. So that is the business of the mind: accepting and rejecting. We sometimes accept something which we like, and we sometimes reject if we do not like. That is the way of mind. Mind's constitutional position is like that: accepting and rejecting. And that we are doing. We are accepting so many things and rejecting again. This acceptance and rejection is going on perpetually, being controlled by the mind.\nBut when you become controller of the mind, then your life is successful. That is called in Sanskrit word svāmī, gosvāmī. At the present moment we are being controlled by the senses and the mind, and when you become actually the controller of the mind and senses… Just like a gentleman has got good business, and he has given all power to the manager.\nThe manager has become so powerful that he is trying to control over the master. But if the master becomes strong and controls over the manager, then it is nice. And if the master becomes indolent and is controlled by the manager, then it is dangerous.\nSo at the present moment in our material existence we are being controlled by the manager—mind.",
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"content": "\n Hmm.",
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"content": "\n That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, that you can make your mind friend and enemy. If you can train your mind, it becomes your friend so that you can come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and become liberated. And if you train your mind in such a way that it becomes your enemy, it drags you to the hell. Therefore the yoga system is an attempt to control over the mind. Yoga indriya-saṁyama [Bg. 4.27]. Yoga means to control over the mind and senses. That is yoga.\nBy bodily exercise there is process, mechanical process, to control over the body and the senses, because our this tribulation, this condition, material condition, is due to my mind. I am desiring in different way. Adānta-gobhir viśatāṁ tamisraṁ [SB 7.5.30]. Adānta, adānta means uncontrolled; go, go means indriya. Therefore gosvāmī. Go means senses, one who has become the master of the senses. He is called gosvāmī or svāmī. The sannyāsī is called svāmī because he is supposed to have control over his mind and senses.\nBecause we are being driven to the hellish condition: adānta-gobhir viśatāṁ tamisraṁ. Tamisraṁ means in the darkness of material body; adānta, adānta means uncontrolled. At the present moment I am so…, I am put under the control of the mind. I cannot control it. Therefore the mind is dragging me to the darkest region of this material existence. Adānta-gobhir viśatāṁ tamisraṁ, punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām. And what I am doing? Repeating the same thing—chewing the chewed, punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām.\nmatir na kṛṣṇe parataḥ svato vā\nmitho 'bhipadyeta gṛha-vratānām\nadānta-gobhir viśatāṁ tamisraṁ\npunaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām\n[SB 7.5.30]\nSo if we study all these statements in the Vedic literature then we come to the light. These are the facts. So human life is meant for this purpose—understanding. It is not meant for imitating or being carried off by the propensities, like the animals. The animals have no other business than how to eat, how to sleep, how to have sense enjoyment and how to defend. That is animal life. Animals are very much busy, \"Where is eating? Where I shall eat? Where I shall…? Where I can stay? So how can I defend? How can I mate? How can I have sex life?\" These are the complete occupation of the mind and senses of the animals.\nBut in the human form of life there must be something extra; therefore we find in human society there is some attempt for understanding God, and that is called religion. Vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyam [Bg. 15.15]. The Vedas are giving instruction. But what is the purpose of Vedas? The purpose of Vedas is to understand God, athāto brahma jijñāsā [Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.1], the Vedānta-sūtra, first verse.\nThe human body should be utilized properly. It is a chance, otherwise, which glides down again into the circle. If we remain in the circle… Just like this morning I was explaining, there is a circle; it begins from here. So you are advancing, you are advancing, but if you remain in the same circle, that means advancing means again come to the same point.\nSo by evolutionary process, from aquatics to plant life, to plant life to insect life, from insect life to bird's life, from bird's life to animal life, from animal life to human life, from uncivilized life to civilized life—this is called progress. But if the progress is in the same line, then again you become animal, punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām, again repeating, chewing the chewed. Again you become aquatics, again you become trees, again you become insects. This is going on.\nSo this is a chance. Human form of life is a chance to get out of this circle of repetition of birth and death, jarā-maraṇa-mokṣāya. Jarā-maraṇa-mokṣāya [Bg. 7.29]. This is human life: to get out of the circle. We are advancing—that's all right—advancing the same. The circle means advancing the same. Just like in the world, around the world, if you go eastward, eastward, eastward, again you come to the west. That is not advancing; that is simply taking labor. Advancing means how to get out of this repetition of birth and death. That is advancing.",
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"content": "\n He has a question.\n I have a question. It has been said by others anyway, and excuse me to mention other religions, but when one is becoming Christian, the aim, after all, you be going in heaven, or if he is bad he will be probably in hell. Now this is the aim or [indistinct] of getting to…, becoming a good Christian. What is the idea of Kṛṣṇa's philosophy?\n [explaining] What is the idea of Kṛṣṇa philosophy? Just as the Christians believe that you go to heaven or hell after this life, what is the idea in Kṛṣṇa philosophy?",
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"content": "\n Yes, the same philosophy. Kṛṣṇa says, \"Come to Me,\" we take it as heaven. But if you do not go to Kṛṣṇa, then go to hell. The same thing I was explaining, that this human form of life is the point where you can go to hell or heaven. If you actually make progress, tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya [Bg. 4.9], Kṛṣṇa says, that \"After giving up this body you don't come again to this material existence, but you come to Me.\" Material existence means repetition of birth and death. So that is hell. And if you go back to home, back to Godhead, just like, then you'll get free from this repetition of birth and death.\nBecause the Christian idea—either you go to hell or to heaven—that is not bad; that is all right. It is your choice, either you remain in the cycle of birth and death or you get out of it, go back to Godhead. That we are preaching, our Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So there is no difference. It may be in different words, but there is no difference. It is the fact that this human form of life is a chance to get out of this birth and death or going gliding down to hellish life. Now you may have a very nice body, but what is your next life? You do not know.\nTherefore you have to know, \"Now I have got this human form of body, I have got higher consciousness to understand, so I should understand what is my heaven and what is my hell—how I go to hell and how I go to heaven.\" So that statement is nice, the Christian, but is it said that either you go to hell…",
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"content": "\n Or heaven.",
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"content": "\n Or heaven. That's nice.",
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"content": "\nSwāmījī, there's another thing, according to him, or what I understand also, that they said that heaven is somewhere up and hell is somewhere down, like that.",
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"content": "\nBut according to what you have said just now, we can take it also this way, isn't it, that suppose we, we just become with Kṛṣṇa by our thinking our thoughts even at present, and the pleasures we get, can that be heaven?",
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"content": "\n Those who are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness…",
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"content": "\n …they are not in this material world. Just like we are—we are not in Kenya; we are with Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nSo therefore we are in Vṛndāvana.",
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"content": "\nWe are in heaven, isn't it?",
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"content": "\nAnd those who are suffering, those who haven't got ideas of Kṛṣṇa, or say those who are having some sort of...",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa, or God, is all-pervading, so as soon as you take Kṛṣṇa consciousness, immediately you are in Kṛṣṇa. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nmāṁ ca vyabhicāreṇa\nbhakti-yogena ya sevate\nsa guṇān samatītyaitān\nbrahma-bhūyāya kalpate\n[Bg. 14.26]\nKṛṣṇa says, māṁ ca vyabhicāreṇa bhakti-yogena, \"unadulterated bhakti-yoga.\" So one who is engaged in unadulterated bhakti-yoga—avyabhicāreṇa means unadulterated, pure bhakti-yoga—such persons, māṁ ca avyabhicāreṇa bhakti-yogena ya sevate. Sevate means offering service. So that person, guṇān samatītyaitān… \nSamatītya means completely being liberated from these three modes of material nature—goodness, passion and ignorance. Then what is his position? Brahma-bhūyāya kalpate: he is in the transcendental platform of spiritual understanding.\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg. 18.54]\nAs soon as one becomes in the transcendental platform of brahma, then his signs are that he is no longer lamenting and no longer hankering, and he is equal to everyone,\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\nSuch person is eligible to enter into devotional service, or after these stages, one is elevated to the devotional service. And what is the effect of devotional service?\nbhaktyā mām abhijānāti\nyāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ\n[Bg. 18.55]\n\"He understands Me by this devotional service,\" bhaktyā. It doesn't say by knowledge, by speculation, by philosophical speculation, or by karma or by jñāna or by yoga, but He says particularly bhaktyā. Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti. What kind of understanding? Yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ, \"as I am actually.\"\nSo if you want to understand God, what He is actually, then you have to understand Him through bhakti. Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti. And when he understands fully, tato māṁ tattvato jñātvā, \"after understanding Me fully in full knowledge,\" viśate tad-anantaram, \"he enters in the spiritual world.\" And as soon as you enter into the spiritual world, that is your normal life.\nIf you don't enter into the spiritual life, if you remain in the material life, then you will have to accept one body after another, go on, continuing. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate: once he appears and again he disappears. And that is called saṁsāra, or repetition of birth and death. So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is giving persons a real light, so that he can stop this repetition of birth and death and can go back to home, back to Godhead.",
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"content": "\n You said that God cannot be approached except through bhakti.",
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"content": "\n What does that mean, bhakti?",
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"content": "\n Bhakti means devotion. There are nine kinds of bhakti:\nśravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ\nsmaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam\narcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyaṁ\nsakhyam ātma-nivedanam\n[SB 7.5.23]\nThis śravaṇaṁ… Just like you are patiently hearing, this is bhakti. If you don't do anything—if you simply patiently hear and try to understand—your life is successful. You don't require any education. God has given you these ears, but you must hear from the real person. If you hear from others… Because without bhaktyā, nobody can give you. Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti.\nUnless you become bhakta, you cannot understand God. And if you do not understand God, then what is the use of hearing from you? Therefore so many nonsense are coming. They have no information of God; there is no benefit. But because these boys, these European boys and the American boys, are hearing from the right source, they are getting immediately the profit. Because God cannot be understood without bhakti.\nSo people hear from a pure bhakta, then you understand God. It doesn't matter what is your stage, but if you simply give patient hearing, śravaṇaṁ, then kīrtanaṁ. And as soon as you… Just like these boys, they have heard; now they have come out for kīrtanaṁ, for glorifying the Lord. There he is the son of a businessman, and I told him that \"Take the business of Mr. Sharma.\" He denied. [laughter] He denied. He has no more taste any more. Just see, a young boy, a businessman's son, an American boy, a rich man's son. Why? Bhakti pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra syāt [SB 11.2.42].\nThis is the test of bhakti, that he has no more any interest. Viraktir anyatra syāt: immediately there will be detestful, \"What is this nonsense?\" Just like a hungry man: if you give him food he will eat, but when his hunger is satisfied he will say, \"No more. No, I don't want.\" So bhakti is like that, true bhakti, bhaktyā mām abhijānāti. If you understand God then you say, \"Oh, no more I am interested in the material...\" This is going on.\nJust like there is the case of Dhruva Mahārāja. Dhruva Mahārāja, he was very much eager to have the empire of his father, and he wanted, he wanted to please God to get this benediction. But when by his penance and austerities he saw God, he said, \"Oh, I am fully satisfied. I don't want anything.\" Svāmin kṛtārtho'smi varaṁ na yāce [Cc. Madhya 22.42; Hari-bhakti-sudhodaya 7.28]: \"My dear Lord, I am completely satisfied.\"\nSpiritual understanding means complete satisfaction. You come to a stage where you become completely satisfied. Na śocati na kāṅkṣati: there is no more hankering, no more lamenting, no more this. But if you do not educate people to the spiritual understanding, this hankering and lamentation will continue.\nI give you one example, very practical example: just like our Indian people came to Africa, that \"We go to Africa; there is very good field of business.\" They are hankering. And now there are some inconveniences, they are lamenting. Their input ever improved, their hankering is fulfilled, but now they are lamenting, that \"We have to leave because we are not citizen.\" Also they have riches, they have everything—so once hankering, and then lamenting, and more lamenting then hankering. [laughs] This is going on. Just like pendulum, tock-tock-tock-tock. [door opens]\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa says…\n[aside:] Aiye. \n…that \"Don't remain in this platform of hankering and lamenting. Come to a platform where there will be no more hankering and lamenting.\"\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\nSo that is the business of human form of life: to stop this business of hankering and lamenting. The material life means the hankering and lamenting—once hankering and then lamenting. [pause] [aside to guest:] Wherefrom you are coming?",
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"content": "\nWe met this gentleman today…",
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"content": "\n…at a real estate agent's office.",
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"content": "\n I see. So you invited him.",
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"content": "\nYes.\n First time [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Very good. You try to understand this Kṛṣṇa consciousness philosophy. Lord Caitanya's mission was that in every part, in every corner of the world this philosophy must be spread. So we are trying to spread this philosophy. You take advantage of it; try to understand it and then take it. That is our mission.",
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"content": "\n Just I have got a question.",
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"content": "\n Taking into account that we are not these bodies but a soul, what is the… What do we understand or say when we dream? I might dream now about probably [indistinct]. What can we learn from that, as far as the soul is concerned?\n [explaining] Dreaming.",
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"content": "\n What is dreaming? How does that relate to the soul?",
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"content": "\n Dreaming is hallucination. You see? It is the business of the mind. The mind is creating some other body. Just like you are thinking that you have got a body flying in the sky. So even in dream you forget that you have got real body or another body, which is lying on the bed.\nSo it is a scientific fact—the mind creates by different desires, different types of body—that's a fact—and we forget the previous body. Just as dream, when you are dreaming, you forget that you are lying on the bed, you are active in a different way. So similarly, we had our past body, but we have forgotten it, as soon as… Death means forgetfulness. We forget our past, everything—that is death.",
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"content": "\n That is death. When dreaming we are also forgetting this body, but because it is not death we are coming back again this body, and in early in the morning we rise up, we catch up our duties: \"Oh, we have to do this, I have to go there,\" and so on. But at night when dreaming you forget everything.",
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"content": "\nSo this dreaming is another sample of death.",
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"content": "\n Sample of death?",
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"content": "\n Death. And as you are dreaming at night, as this is night dream, this our material life is day dream. It is also dream. Because what we create in the dream, that does not exist. Is it not a fact?",
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"content": "\nIt exists for a few minutes only. So this dream also exists for a few years, that's all. This is also dream; it is simply for few years. But the who is dreaming, that is spirit soul. So we have to understand and come to that spiritual platform. That is your real business—not dreaming, either night or day. That is not your business.\nJust try to understand. As dreaming at night is for a few minutes—five minutes, ten minutes or half an hour utmost, then it breaks; everything is lost—similarly, this material life is also dreaming for years, say for fifty or sixty or say hundred years, any, everything, mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham [Bg. 10.34]. Mṛtyuḥ means taking away everything what you have created by dreaming.\nAs soon as this body is changed, you forget everything, that I was Mr. Such-and-such, I was African, I was American, I was this or that, black or white—everything forgotten, finished. So this is also dreaming. And as in dreaming sometimes we see the tiger has attacked me at night, or a goat has come and is crashing me, and so many things, and crying—sometimes it happens. But as there is no goats, no tiger, still you dreaming that there is goat, there is tiger, similarly in this way, in this life also, we are thinking, \"He is my enemy; he is my friend,\" this is also dreaming.",
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"content": "\n Nobody is your enemy; nobody is your friend. We have created by dreaming. So we have to get out of this dreaming at night and day and come to the Kṛṣṇa platform. Then our life is successful.",
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"content": "\n I have got another question. You said that man has got a mind that is higher than animals; that is why a man tries to think more about God. Then why is it possible that man should be born, say, as a dog in the next life or something of the sort? Okay, so he has passed to this level of animal and has come to, I mean, the soul has come to the human society…",
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"content": "\n …what is the purpose of him going back to the animal kingdom?",
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"content": "\n Because if you…, if you live like animals, then you go to animals again. If you live like man, then you keep yourself man. And if you think like God, then you go to God. That is your business.\nye yathā māṁ prapadyante\ntāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham\nmama vartmānuvartante\n[Bg. 4.11]\n[aside to devotee:] Read the verse of this.\nSo if you simply live a life like animal, then you go to the animal kingdom. If you prepare your life like human being, you remain here in a human society. If you prepare your life godly, you go to God. What is the difficulty? So that is the best benefit: you can prepare your life godly and go back to Godhead. This is a chance only. Just like you were in school: if you educate yourself nicely, in future you become very happy; and if you spoil your time, don't take education, then you are a loafer.\nSo this human form of life is a chance—either you remain as human society or you go back to Godhead or you go back to animals. That is your business. Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthā [Bg. 14.18]: they are elevated who are in the modes of goodness. Madhye tiṣṭhanti rājasāḥ: those who are in the modes of passion, they remain here. Jaghanya-guṇa-vṛtti-sthā, adho gacchanti tāmasāḥ: and those who make their character jaghanya, most abominable, they go to the animals. What is the difficulty to understand?\nIt is not stereotype. The soul is described in the Vedic literature as sarva-gā: he can go anywhere. He can go anywhere. Anywhere means he can go up, he can go down, or he can remain as he is, according to his work. Just like even in this life I can become illiterate, I can educate…, I can become educated, if I try for that. The chance is there.\nThe government is giving you a chance to everyone, but according to his own desires one is going to the prison house, one is becoming the high court judge. As it is possible in this life, similarly next life also, the same thing. You can elevate yourself to godly position, and you can stay in position what you are, and you can degrade yourself.",
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"content": "\n I have got another question. If it is possible for the human soul to remain in the body of an animal, does that mean that the souls are all the same, whether it is created as life in an animal body or in a human being body? Does it mean the souls are the same?\n All souls are the same?",
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"content": "\n Yes. All souls are the same. Just like you are soul—you are in a black body; he is a soul, he is in a white body; I am Indian, I am in a different body; but the soul is the same. It is called dress: vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya [Bg. 2.22]. The body is dress. Because you are in white shirt and because he is in blue jersey, it does not mean you are different. You are the same. Similarly, we may have different bodies—a tiger may have different body and the godly man, the saintly man, may have different body—but the soul is the same.\nTherefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ.\nvidyā-vinaya-sampanne\nbrāhmaṇe gavi hastini\nśuni caiva śva-pāke ca\npaṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ\n[Bg. 5.18]\nVidyā-vinaya-sampanne brāhmaṇa. According to Vedic civilization the brāhmaṇa is highly learned, vidyā-vinaya, and very gentle. He is considered to be the highest in the human society, the brāhmaṇa, vidyā-vinaya-sampanne. If we fall[?], he does not make any distinction.\nvidyā-vinaya-sampanne\nbrāhmaṇe gavi hastini\nśuni caiva śva-pāke ca\npaṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ\n[Bg. 5.18]\nThat is paṇḍita. That is real learned man.",
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"content": "\n I have got another question.",
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"content": "\n In the material form we have got a big man, small man, big animals and small animals [indistinct]...",
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"content": "\n Yes, the spiritual form, there is no such thing.",
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"content": "\n There's no big soul and small souls?\n No big soul, no small soul—all the same size?",
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"content": "\n Yes, the big soul there is: big soul is God.",
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"content": "\n And apart from God?",
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"content": "\n And small soul we are. Both of them, we are souls. The big soul is God. Just like you and me, we are small souls, so we are dominating over this small body, but God, being big soul, He is dominating over everyone. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi, sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata [Bg. 13.3].\nKṣetra-jña. Kṣetra-jña means the body, one who knows the body. Just like I, I am soul; I know that this is my hand, this is my leg. This is called kṣetra-jña. Kṣetra means this body, and jña means one who knows. So I know everything of my body—not everything practically, but I know when I feel pain or pleasure I can know. But I cannot know what is your pain and pleasure. Therefore you are the master of your body, I am the master of my body. But Kṛṣṇa says,\nkṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi\nsarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata\n[Bg. 13.3]\n\"But I am also kṣetra-jñaṁ. I am also present in every body.\" That is Supersoul, or big soul.\nSo just like there are two souls: big soul and a small soul. The small souls we are, and big soul is God. Big means all-pervading. God knows what you are thinking, what you are feeling; but I cannot know what you're thinking, what you are feeling. Therefore I am small soul and God is the big soul. Just like I may be proprietor of this house, and you may be proprietor of that house, but the state is proprietor of everything—so there is big proprietor, the king. Similarly we are soul, God is soul, nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]. Cetanā means living; nitya means eternal. We are all living and eternal. God is also living and eternal, but eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān, but that one maintains all the small.\nSo God has provided food for everyone, all living entities. There are hundreds and thousands of living entities other than human beings. They have no business, they have no profession, but they have no economic problem. You may have never seen that a bird has died fasting or without food, or elephant has died without food. The elephant eats at a time hundred pounds, but he has got eating arrangement by God. The ant is eating only one grain, and it has got also arrangement.\nSo eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān: that one God, big soul, He is maintaining all living entities. These are the Vedic injunction. And actually we are being maintained by God. He is supplying rain. From rain there is grain, and you are eating grain—therefore you are living.",
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"content": "\n I have got another question.",
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"content": "\n If I am not wrong, I think I am most like a chimpanzee and gorillas. They are considered as the…",
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"content": "\n They are also supplied food by God. Because I have heard that here in Africa there are gorillas, and where they live there is a kind of tree, and the fruits of that tree is harder than the, I mean to say, iron bullet. [laughter] Yes. The fruits of that tree, the nut, so hard that you cannot break it by hammering. And the gorillas take it, and they chew it, \"Very nice!\" [laughter] So who has supplied these nuts there where gorillas live? Perhaps you know it, the gorillas in your country, and how in the book[?] that they are supplied with these fruits. Who is supplying the fruits?",
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"content": "\n I don't know.",
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"content": "\n That is God. Eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]. Kāmān means all things I want. So Kṛṣṇa is supplying, God is supplying. We require sufficient water, so there are oceans, there are seas, stocked, and the water is salty so that it may not decompose. And the sun is engaged to evaporate the water and make it cloud and distribute all over the globe. And it is stored on the mountain, just like tank, and it is coming down like pipe, rivers. Every element is there. Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvaṁ [Īśo mantra 1]: everything is being controlled by God.\npūrṇam idaṁ pūrṇam adaḥ\npūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate\npūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya\npūrṇam evāvaśiṣyate\n[Īśo Invocation]\nBecause the arrangement is complete, you see. It requires excessive amount of water. So just see: therefore the water portion is three fourths. Immense water supply, immense air supply, immense light supply, immense food supply—simply you are mismanaging. The birds, bees, animals, they never feel any scarcity of food. That day I was showing the bird was dancing, the monkey—they are jumping from one tree to another, enough food. They have no problems.",
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"content": "\n Except for the monkey-eating birds. [laughs]",
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"content": "\n Eh? Therefore that problem must be there; otherwise how you will understand that this is a miserable place? However you may be very expert in making adjustments to your food supply and everything is there, still there will be trouble. That is called saṁsāra-dāvāna. You cannot be happy here. Whatever you make arrangements you will feel unhappy, unless you come to your senses. This is God.",
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"content": "\n I have got another question. What is the difference between a wisdom and knowledge, say as far as the spiritual understanding is concerned?",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n What is the difference between what?\n Difference between wisdom…\n Wisdom and...\n …knowledge, as far as the spiritual understanding is concerned?\n What is the difference between wisdom and knowledge?",
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"content": "\n Wisdom is knowledge. There is no difference.",
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"content": "\n And which...",
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"content": "\n Knowledge is wisdom; wisdom is knowledge. There is no difference.",
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"content": "\n Which comes first?",
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"content": "\n Which comes first? It is already existing. Because you are living, there is knowledge. Wisdom you can say is material knowledge, that's all.",
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"content": "\n Hmm.",
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"content": "\n But wisdom is also knowledge. Just like after experiencing much experience you become very wise. So wisdom you can say is material knowledge. So this is wisdom: to understand that \"I am spirit soul. I am part and parcel of God; therefore my duty is to surrender unto God. He is big soul, I am small soul—He is providing me; therefore it is my duty to take shelter of Him.\" This is wisdom.\nbahūnāṁ janmanām ante\njñānavān māṁ prapadyate\n[Bg. 7.19]\n\"After many, many births of cultivating knowledge, when one actually becomes wise, He surrenders unto Me.\"\nvāsudevaḥ sarvam iti\nsa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ\n[Bg. 7.19]\nTo understand God is everything—that kind of great soul is very rare. So?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n This will be a little bit outside our discussion. I understand that somewhere in the Himalayan mountains in India, there is a valley where the souls of the saints normally meet.",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n He says that somewhere in the Himalayan mountains there is a valley where the saints meet.\n The souls of the…\n The souls…\n …the martyrs and the saints…",
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"content": "\n No saintly person will eat meat.",
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"content": "\n No, no. Where they will meet; they will congregate together. The souls of the saintly persons will congregate. You understand—it is a place in the Himalayas where the souls of the saintly persons congregate.",
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"content": "\n Yes, that is possible.",
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"content": "\n That can be possible by the Himalayas. Here it can be possible if you mix together in our Kṛṣṇa consciousness. You are all good souls—then it would be possible. A saintly person does not mean that he has got something extraordinary. That extraordinary is this wisdom to understand God. That is saintly person. Sa mahātmā, vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti: one who knows that God is everything, God is the original cause of everything, he is saintly person.",
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"content": "\n [aside:] This way.",
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"content": "\n He is sa-mahātmā. Everything. And what is the business of mahātmā?\nmahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha\ndaivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ\nbhajanty ananya-manaso\n[Bg. 9.13]\nMahātmā means he is under the spiritual nature, daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ. And what is the symptom? Bhajanty ananya: he has no more business except serving Kṛṣṇa. He does not want anything more. Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha, daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ bhajanty. To keep oneself under the protection of spiritual nature means he becomes liberated[?]; he has no other aim. Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha, daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ.",
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"content": "\n I have got another question. This is, or is not so… I read in a certain book that a…, say first of all taking into consideration that life [indistinct] in other planets apart from theirs… [indistinct] I read in a certain book that these people, they normally visit earth [indistinct]. Whether it is true or not I don't know, but I have heard it. [indistinct]. [break]",
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"content": "\n ...residents of those, that planet, they can fly, and they can go from one planet to another. Just like siddha-loka. By mystic perfection in yoga you can do that also. Aṇimā, laghimā siddhi—you become light.",
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"content": "\n Now if this, erm, Lord Kṛṣṇa, is He above, you know, the other idols, you worship them, the cows? Is He above them?\n Is Lord Kṛṣṇa above all other forms of God?",
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"content": "\n Yes. He is the Supreme God.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] there is, erm, it would appear that there is another God above Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Then He's not supreme. If He is supreme, there cannot be any other God superior to Him.",
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"content": "\n In India there are so many gods worshiped…",
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"content": "\n Not many. God is one.",
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"content": "\n Some people worship them.",
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"content": "\n God means… Of course, God, God means controller. The controller, everyone offers to the controller, some sort of controller. Just like Mr. Patel, he is controlling his business; he has got many men working under him. You may be an official; so many men may be working under you. I am also a human being, so many of my disciples they are working under me. So if God means controller, then everyone is controller, then everyone is God.\nBut the thing is that we are not supreme controller. I am controlling my disciples, but if your government says that \"You can't preach here. You go away,\" I will go. I cannot deny it. Therefore although I am controller, I am not supreme controller. Similarly, Mr. Patel may be controller in his business—hundreds of men working under him—but he's not [indistinct]. Anyone who finds that he is controller, but he is controlled by somebody else. You take anyone—even your president—he is also controlled by somebody.\nSo nobody is supreme controller. When it comes to a point who is not controlled by anyone, that is God. That is called supreme controller. He is controlling everybody, but He is not controlled by anyone. There's a test: if somebody comes before you and he says that \"I am God,\" you test him, \"Whether you are not controlled by anyone. If you are controlled by somebody else, then you are not God.\" But people do not know what is the nature of God. This is the simple nature.\nIf some rascal comes, that \"I am God,\" so test him, that \"Whether you are not controlled by anyone, then you are God; otherwise rascal.\" That is going on. Every day there is coming out a God. What kind of God he is? We don't accept such rascal as God. God is Kṛṣṇa, because He is not controlled by anybody. That is God. Kṛṣṇa, when He was present, He was never controlled by anyone, but He controlled everyone. That is God.\nmattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat\nkiñcid asti dhanañjaya\n[Bg. 7.7]",
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"content": "\n So, erm, this word...",
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"content": "\n God is the supreme controller. That is the small definition.",
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"content": "\n So Kṛṣṇa means God.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa means all-attractive. He is supreme controller.",
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"content": "\n All-attractive [indistinct] coming from God…\n Kṛṣṇa is God.\n God.\n [indistinct] Kṛṣṇa is another name of God.",
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"content": "\n You try to [indistinct], another name of Kṛṣṇa, kṛṣṇa means black.",
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"content": "\n Black?",
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"content": "\n Black, yes. As you are black, similarly Kṛṣṇa is also black, but that does not mean any black man is God.",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, can some light be thrown on this thinking? Most of the people over here, they think that when Indians are showing their respect to the cows, some think that they, when they go to the temple, the cows idols are there, they throw milk and all this so many things on there, people think that we are really worshiping them.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\nSo how far the ISKCON thinking is that when we pray to the gorakpur[?] idols, some [indistinct], cow worship...",
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"content": "\n Because therefore you have to learn from your spiritual master. You cannot speculate. Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. Just like you are asking me, you maybe have to learn all these things from your spiritual master. Vedic civilization, those who are following Vedic civilization, they worship cows. That is necessary. The cow produces miracle food, milk. So if you want to have good brain, then you have to take milk.",
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"content": "\nGood brain?",
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"content": "\n If you don't want to remain dull, then you have to take milk.",
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"content": "\nMilk.",
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"content": "\n Therefore cow protection is necessary. Kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyaṁ, brāhmaṇa-karma svabhāva-jam…, er, vaiśya-karma svabhāva-jam [Bg. 18.44]. Those who are mercantile people, their business, according to Vedic…, kṛṣi-go, agriculture. They should be engaged in agriculture and go-rakṣya, and protection of the cows. Kṛṣi-go-rakṣya and vāṇijyaṁ, and trade. That is three kinds of occupation.\nSo go-rakṣya is the duty of the mercantile people, because without milk and grains, how you can live very decently? Therefore cows'…, cow protection, go-rakṣya, not tiger-rakṣya. That is not mentioned. Go-rakṣya. There are many other animals—why they are particular about go, cows? That is significant. Because unless we have got sufficient milk supply, you cannot have nourishing food and you cannot develop good brain. Therefore it is necessary.",
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"content": "\nMost essential; an essential animal. Therefore I…, more respect with me.",
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"content": "\n In the prayers of Kṛṣṇa it is said, namo brahmaṇya-devāya go-brāhmaṇa-hitāya [Viṣṇu Purāṇa 1.19.65]. Why especially the cow's name is there? When Kṛṣṇa, when He was present on this planet, He remained as a cowherds boy in His childhood. He gave protection to the cows. So it is the essential part of civilization.",
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"content": "\n He protect the…, all animals?",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n He protected all animals.\n Are you asking did He protect all animals? The question is did He protect all animals, or just cows?",
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"content": "\n Yes, everyone. Jagaddhitāya.",
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"content": "\n All the…",
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"content": "\n All the animals, the whole world. But first preferences is to the cows and the brāhmaṇas. Because without brahminical culture and sufficient supply of milk, that is not human civilization.",
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"content": "\n In worshiping cows, do you think that there is nothing wrong about it, because Lord Kṛṣṇa does not consider it wrong to worship the cow?\n Kṛṣṇa does not consider it wrong to worship the cow?",
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"content": "\n No, He personally worshiped cow. He showed the example.",
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"content": "\nHe used to take them for grazing, even.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n So the actual, the actual doctrine is that you will not kill a cow?\n The question was would we kill a cow?\n Yes.\n Would we kill a cow?",
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"content": "\n Who?",
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"content": "\n Would we?",
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"content": "\n \"We\" means?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa followers.\n Would the devotees of Kṛṣṇa kill a cow?",
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"content": "\n Who? No devotees of Kṛṣṇa would kill cow.",
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"content": "\n A devotee of Kṛṣṇa would not kill a cow.",
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"content": "\n No, they would kill nobody. Kṛṣṇa's devotee would not kill even an ant, what to speak of cow. Cow is most important.",
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"content": "\n Then would it be possible for [indistinct] Kṛṣṇa doctrine [indistinct] influence the government not to kill people for their mistakes, but to leave them to God, or leave them to Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n What was that?",
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"content": "\n Could you...\n Would it be possible to influence the government…\n Yeah.\n …not to kill people for their mistakes, but to leave it to Kṛṣṇa, to leave it to God, to punish those?",
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"content": "\n Well, at the present moment, no government is perfect. But no government is allowed to kill a cow. That's a fact. Why the government kills cows?",
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"content": "\nIf the people accept the proposal [indistinct] and if they are Kṛṣṇa conscious, and if...",
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"content": "\n They won't kill a cow.",
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"content": "\n They won't kill.\nThere is no automatically [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n We want that you become all Kṛṣṇa conscious and stop this slaughterhouse.",
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"content": "\n You think that, he asked, not kill a cow, is it accepted everywhere in India?",
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"content": "\n Hmm.",
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"content": "\n Is it accepted everywhere in India?",
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"content": "\n India is also killing cow, because they have degraded.",
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"content": "\n Cow killing is going on also in India.\n No, it is not so much...",
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"content": "\n No, they're making business, government.",
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"content": "\n Hmm, by killing cows? Please tell me [indistinct].\n [whispers] Take prasādam.\n For their milk, yeah?",
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"content": "\n In India there was government, when Mahārāja Parīkṣit was going on his tour, he saw that one man was attempting to kill a cow. He immediately took his sword: \"Who are you? You are trying, attempting to kill a cow in my kingdom.\" That was by cow protection. [aside:] I am not going to. Keep it there and if I want, I require…",
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"content": "\n Keep it in the room.\n Yes, all right.",
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"content": "\n Even we get history during Muhammadan rule there was no slaughterhouse. There was no slaughterhouse. The Muhammadans ruled over India for eight hundred years, but there was not a single slaughterhouse. The slaughterhouse was introduced by the British government.",
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"content": "\n In India?",
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"content": "\n In India. The Muhammadans sometimes used to kill cow, but that was in the masjid during their Bakrid ceremony. Not daily. That also very secretly. The Muhammadans king, er, emperor, he knew that it would hurt the Hindu sentiment. He did not allow publicly. It was the creation of the British government to encourage, and our leaders, they were made in London, and they advocated, \"Yes. Whatever is introduced by Britishers is all right.\" [laughter]",
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"content": "\n I would like to ask another question. The Muhammadans [indistinct].\n He says that other religions have their books. Which book does Kṛṣṇa have?\n Ah, he thinks that Kṛṣṇa dreamed of this religion, or it came to Him.",
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"content": "\n What is that?",
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"content": "\nHe says that the Muhammadans are having a book like...\n The Koran was founded by the Bible.",
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"content": "\n Oh!",
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"content": "\n It was written from the Bible. What book… What is the foundation of Kṛṣṇa religion…",
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"content": "\n What is that?",
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"content": "\nHe says that Muhammadans, they translated the Bible and then they made the Koran as their holy book, from where they take their all the source of their knowledge and all these things, inspiration. Now the people, the Kṛṣṇa conscious people, from what book do they get their source of inspiration from, which book or...",
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"content": "\n Wherefrom the Bible got their inspiration? First of all let me know. As you say that the Muhammadan Koran was taken from Bible. Is it not? Anyway, you say. So wherefrom the Bible was taken?",
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"content": "\nFrom where is the Bible?\n The Bible as we read was founded by prophets.",
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"content": "\n Huh? As the Koran has a history, the Bible has a history also.",
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"content": "\n So in [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n What is that history? What is that history? Wherefrom the Bible was inspired?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] the disciples, the disciples [indistinct] performance of God. [indistinct] different times. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n So similarly, the Koran has been taken from Bible, and the Bible is from the disciples of God…",
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"content": "\n Yeah.",
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"content": "\n …then what is the wrong in the Koran?",
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"content": "\n No, we wanted to know whether there was [indistinct]. How was this thing founded? Where did He get His things from?",
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"content": "\n Religion… The original religion is founded by God.",
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"content": "\n But what is the root of it?",
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"content": "\n God is the root of it, because God's parts and parcels have come to the material world to enjoy. So God has given that \"All right, you have come here to enjoy. You enjoy in this way, then you will in due course of time, you will again come back to Me.\"",
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"content": "\n So God spoke to what religion?",
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"content": "\n Eh? What? Whom He spoke, that is different thing.",
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"content": "\n It is the principle.",
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"content": "\n He says, did God speak through Lord Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]\n No, no. Speak through Lord Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Lord Kṛṣṇa is God himself. Not through, but He is God.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] God.\n No, He is God.\n Oh, He's God, God Himself.",
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"content": "\n That's it.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]\n [indistinct]\nKṛṣṇa means all-attractive. God.\n It means that anything that is blessed, anything that is attractive, that is our own God. [indistinct] then Kṛṣṇa has got thousands of ladies [indistinct].\nSomething good or something nice.\n Śrīla Prabhupāda has not said that. Yes.",
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"content": "\n What is that?",
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"content": "\n The question was that it was said that God has many names; He is unlimited. So the question was, well, does it mean that one can just have any name, and that becomes a name of God? One can make up any name?",
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"content": "\n \"Any name\" means must have some meaning.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] say if there's something very good. Say you make a watch, which is...",
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"content": "\n Not any name is God, but God has many names. Try to understand this.",
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"content": "\n Because according to…",
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"content": "\n God is unlimited, so He has got unlimited names. But not that any name is God.",
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"content": "\n That is true.",
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"content": "\n Try to understand this.",
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"content": "\nJust like sun…",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\nSay sun, sun, it was in our language we call it sūrya. Somebody might be calling it something else, but it is the same thing, how one calls.",
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"content": "\n Either you call sun, or sūrya, the object is the same.",
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"content": "\nThe object is the same.",
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"content": "\n Similarly, any name which clarifies God, that is God's name. There is Kṛṣṇa, \"all-attractive.\" If this \"all-attractive\" name is applicable to God, then it is God's name. Also, kṛṣṇa means \"black\"; that is another meaning. But if God is not all-attractive, then how He can be God?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] which is attractive, to meet God, love God…",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n …if you give Him a name which is attractive?",
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"content": "\n It is not attractive, but any...",
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"content": "\n God.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] The sunshine is not enough. Is there a difference between attractiveness and holiness?\n Is there a difference between attractiveness and holiness?",
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"content": "\n Well, unless one is holy, how he can be all-attractive? Unholy, how he can be attractive?",
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"content": "\n I don't know.",
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"content": "\n Is a rogue attractive?",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n Is a thief attractive?",
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"content": "\n Something is there, but it won't last.\n [indistinct] A thief is attractive by his personality, but not by his heart.\nSo he is not fully attractive.",
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"content": "\n Hmm. But still, you cannot worship a thief.",
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"content": "\n No, I don't think I can do it.",
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"content": "\n A thief may be attractive to a certain person, but he is not all-attractive. One who is thief, he can appreciate a big thief. [laughter] That is another thief. But a thief is not all-attractive. Then if a thief… If somebody says, \"One thief is coming to your home at night,\" oh, he becomes [indistinct] to your house.",
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"content": "\n But Kṛṣṇa can become a thief and be attractive. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa... Kṛṣṇa is so qualified. Just like the moon. There are spots in the moon—nobody considers about the spots. Everyone takes moon, \"Oh, here is moon.\" Nobody considers. Eko 'si doṣāya, guni sanga parte nirvadyati[?]. Kṛṣṇa has no fault. Even we take it as fault, one who has got many qualities, a little fault even there is, it is not taken account of. Tejīyasāṁ na doṣāya [SB 10.33.29].\nJust like the sun: the sun is absorbing water from seas and oceans, and he is also absorbing water from your urine. So nobody is taking account, \"Oh, sun is taking water from the urinal.\" [laughter] Immediately[?] it can purify. By sun's touch the urine becomes pure. Even there is something faulty, by Kṛṣṇa's touch it becomes purified. That is Kṛṣṇa. Therefore He is all-attractive.\nThe same example: the sun is absorbing water from the urinal. Is sun polluted? Can you say, \"Oh, the sun has taken water from urine, so it has become polluted\"? Can you say that? Tejīyasāṁ na doṣāya. Therefore anyone who is very powerful, he has no fault. Even if you find some fault in him, there is no fault actually. But even if you think that it is fault, it is not taken. Sūrya, by absorbing urine, it is making purified that place. But if you say, \"Oh, the sun is evaporating urine; it has become polluted,\" that is your shortness of understanding. That sūrya is purifying that place, very, very [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n How do they appear? [indistinct] came into this world?\n How long ago did Kṛṣṇa come into this world?",
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"content": "\n Five thousand years.",
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"content": "\n Five hundred years.",
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"content": "\n Five thousand.",
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"content": "\n Five thousand years.",
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"content": "\n Five thousands of years.",
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"content": "\n So two thousand years...",
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"content": "\n Three thousand B.C.",
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"content": "\n Three thousand B.C. Now if [indistinct] Lord Kṛṣṇa attending the school or any society before He became a God?\n Did Kṛṣṇa attend any school or any society before He became a God?",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n He was born.",
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"content": "\n He was God from His childhood, from His babyhood.",
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"content": "\n He was born.",
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"content": "\n Since He was born.",
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"content": "\n Like Jesus?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n He is like Jesus?",
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"content": "\n But I don't think Jesus was Christ from the very beginning. He was given the title when he was perfect.",
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"content": "\n He was given the title of Christ when he was perfect.",
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"content": "\n When he was baptized.",
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"content": "\n When he was baptized?",
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"content": "\n Well, I don't know much about Jesus Christ.",
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"content": "\n But how it is that Lord Kṛṣṇa exists now?",
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"content": "\n Now first of all we are speaking of the philosophy of God. When you understand the philosophy of God, then you can question.",
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"content": "\n\nbhāgavatārambhe vyāsa maṅgalācaraṇe\n'parameśvara' nirūpila ei dui lakṣaṇe\n[Cc Madhya 20.358]\n[In the auspicious invocation at the beginning of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Śrīla Vyāsadeva has described the Supreme Personality of Godhead by these symptoms.]\nWe have been discussing about the symptoms, characteristics, of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. One characteristic is that is eternally constant, or present with Him, and another characteristic is that it is sometimes manifested, sometimes not manifested. These two characteristics are called the superior energy and the inferior energy. Manifestation of the superior energy is always constant, present in the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And manifestation of the inferior energy, that is not always present. It is sometimes manifested, sometimes not manifested.\nJust like we have got also... It is very easy to understand. We have got several energies, personally. And we have got some mean energy also that is within us. That is not always manifested. Sometimes I commit theft. That is my energy. That is my energy, but it is not always manifested. This is a crude example.\nSimilarly, everything is there in the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Janmādy asya yataḥ [Cc Madhya 20.359].\n[O my Lord, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmājī, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth.]\nThe Bhāgavata explains, in the beginning of Bhāgavata, that everything has its origin from the Supreme Lord. Everything. Whatever you have got, it has its origin from the Supreme Lord. And that is also confirmed in other Vedic literature. Yato vā imāni bhūtāni jāyante [Taittirīya Upaniṣad 3.1]. \n[The Supreme Absolute Truth is that from which everything is born.]\nImāni bhūtāni, all these things which are created, there is a source. That is Brahman. That is Brahman.\nThe Vedānta-sūtra also confirms this, janmādy asya yataḥ. Athāto brahma jijñāsā. What is Brahman? This is explained in one code word, janmādy asya yataḥ: Brahman is that from whom everything is emanating. That's all. Brahman is that from whom, or from which—whatever you like—everything is emanated. So that supreme source, summum bonum of everything, is described in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam: janmādy asya yato 'nvayād itarataś ca artheṣu abhijñaḥ svarāṭ.\nThat supreme source of everything, what is the nature of that supreme source of everything? Now the Bhāgavata says, janmādy asya yataḥ anvayād itarataś ca arthesu abhijñaḥ. He is conscious. First qualification is conscious. The supreme source cannot be unconscious. Why? Because we are conscious being. So we are also emanation from the Supreme Lord, the living entities. Some of the living entities are moving, some of the living entities, they do not move. Just like the trees, the hills, the mountains, they have got also their life. So they are not moving. We are moving. Man, human being, cats, dogs and ants, so many there are. So they are conscious. So unless the Supreme Lord is conscious, the supreme source of all generation is conscious, wherefrom this consciousness can come?\nSo the philosophy that the supreme source is void, how you can maintain? Wherefrom this consciousness comes? They say that consciousness is generated by the combination of matter. Up till now, no scientist has proved that by combination of chemicals and matter, physical things, one can produce consciousness. So the Bhāgavata very nicely describes that the supreme source of everything, He is conscious. Conscious. Janmādy asya yataḥ anvayāt itarataś ca.\nNow, He is conscious in two ways: anvayāt itarataś ca. Directly and indirectly. Just like we are also conscious, but we are directly conscious. Indirectly, we are not conscious. Indirectly we are not conscious. But God is all-powerful supreme consciousness. Therefore He's directly conscious and indirectly conscious.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā, you will find that Kṛṣṇa says that vedāhaṁ samatītāni vartamānāni ca bhārata [Bg 7.26]:\n[O Arjuna, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, I know everything that has happened in the past, all that is happening in the present, and all things that are yet to come. I also know all living entities; but Me no one knows.]\n\"I know everything about atītāni, what is past, everything what is past, and I know what is present, I know what is future.\" And on this understanding, Kṛṣṇa says in the Second Chapter, you may remember, that \"You, Me and all these persons who have assembled here, they were individual person in the past, they are individual persons now, and they will continue to be individual person in the future.\" This is consciousness, anvayāt itarataś ca.\nNow again, what sort of consciousness? Wherefrom He has got this consciousness? Just like we have got our consciousness from the Supreme Lord, the supreme source, and wherefrom the Supreme, or God, He has got His consciousness? So Bhāgavatam says svarāṭ. Svarāṭ. Svarāṭ means He is independent. His consciousness is not dependent on others' consciousness. Svarāṭ. God, He has got all the knowledge. Yesterday we have been discussing Bhagavān. Bhagavān is full of all knowledge. Wherefrom He got this knowledge? Now our experience is that we go to schools, college, and get knowledge.\nWherefrom He gets knowledge? The Bhāgavata replies, svarāṭ. He's self-sufficient, full of knowledge. These are the differences.\nSo these qualifications are always present. This is called svarūpa-lakṣaṇa. Unless God is independent, unless God is conscious, indirectly and directly, He cannot be the supreme source. This is called svarūpa-lakṣaṇa: constantly present.\nTene brahma hṛdā ādi-kavaye muhyanti yat sūrayaḥ. Now, people may argue that in the creation we find Brahmā the first-born living creature, and he has given us the Vedic knowledge. So this... In the creation, because he's the first living creature, then he is svarāṭ. He is also independent. Why God is independent? This living creature, he's first-born. He's independent. Otherwise, how could he give the knowledge of Vedas?\nSo the reply is tene brahma hṛdā. No. He's also dependent. He got the knowledge from the Supreme Lord. How is that? He's the first-born living creature. How he got knowledge from God? Tene brahma hṛdā. Brahmā.., the Vedic knowledge was imparted into the heart of Brahmā. Why? Because God is situated within everyone's heart. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg 18.61].\n[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]\nThese things are very nicely described in the Bhāgavatam in the beginning. Tene brahma hṛdā ādi-kavaye. Ādi-kavaye means Brahmā. Kavi means the learned. Kavi. Kavinaṁ purāṇam anuśāsitāram [Bg 8.9], in the Bhagavad-gītā. He's the kavinaṁ purāṇam.\n[One should meditate upon the Supreme Person as the one who knows everything, as He who is the oldest, who is the controller, who is smaller than the smallest, who is the maintainer of everything, who is beyond all material conception, who is inconceivable, and who is always a person. He is luminous like the sun and, being transcendental, is beyond this material nature.]\nHe's the oldest learned man. Oldest. Purāṇam. Purāṇam means the oldest.\nThen why God is not recognized? Now muhyanti yat sūrayaḥ. To understand God, even the greatest of the greatest thinker, philosopher or sage or saintly person, they are also bewildered. Cannot understand. Panthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara-sampragamya. So Lord Caitanya is [indistinct] that He has got two characteristics. One characteristic is..., that is always present. What is that? He's independent and full of knowledge, and He's conscious. Unconsciousness is not the qualification of God. Voidness cannot be accepted as the qualification of the Supreme. The Supreme must be conscious.\nTene brahma hṛdā ya ādi-kavaye, tejo-vāri-mṛdāṁ yathā vinimayo yatra trisargo 'mṛṣā. And yatra: in Him rests the material manifestation. And what is this material manifestation? Tejo-vāri-mṛdāṁ vinimayam. It is simply exchange of fire, water and earth. Of course, there other things are eight elements, fire, water, earth, ether and air. This is the gross material elements. And the finer material elements are the mind, intelligence and false ego. We have discussed this in the Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo this material manifestation is nothing but a manipulation, or a preparation of these things. Just... Just like we present sometime varieties of foodstuff—kacaurīs, siṅgāra, purī and rasagullā, and so many things. But what are these? That is varieties of grains and milk, fat, that's all. Similarly, all these varieties, manifestation in the material world, they are... Yatra, yatra..., tejo-vāri-mṛdāṁ yathā vinimayo, oh, and yatra trisargo 'mṛṣā.\nAmṛṣā. It is false. But it appears to be just like real. Foolish living entities, under the spell of illusory energy, they have accepted this false exchange of material elements as reality. This is called materialism. One who has accepted this false representation of reality, they are called materialist. And one who knows the real position of this material world, he's spiritualist. That is the difference between materialism and spiritualism.\nSo this, this material representation, false representation, are temporary. The Vaiṣṇava philosophy, they do not say false. Why they will say false? God is real. His energy is real. You cannot say material energy as unreal, because God is there, and His energy is there. Just like the fire is there, the heat is there, the temperature is there. You cannot say temperature false. It may be manifested at some time, or it may not be manifest. Just like the temperature of sun is not perceived nowadays because it is due to the cold season. But the temperature is the same, but it is manifested during June-July. It is very strongly. And in other seasons, it is not manifested.\nSimilarly, this material energy, you cannot say that it is false, it is false. The Vaiṣṇava philosophy is perfect. As it is temporary. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate [Bg 8.19]. \n[Again and again the day comes, and this host of beings is active; and again the night falls, O Pārtha, and they are helplessly dissolved.]\nIt is sometimes manifested. And this is called taṭasthā. This characteristic, this symptom of the Supreme Lord, is called taṭasthā: sometimes manifested, sometimes not manifested. But so far the superior energy is concerned, that is always manifested. That is explained in the next line: dhāmnā svena sadā nirasta-kuhakaṁ paraṁ satyaṁ dhīmahi. Now that is paraṁ satyam, the Supreme Truth, where there is no such temporary manifestation. So this is knowledge and ignorance. The ignorant materialistic, they are captivated, durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninas [SB 7.5.31].\n[Persons who are strongly entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is to return home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Viṣṇu. As blind men guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, materially attached men led by another materially attached man are bound by the ropes of fruitive labor, which are made of very strong cords, and they continue again and again in materialistic life, suffering the threefold miseries.]\nWhat is the materialistic point of view...? Now, durāśayā. They are thinking to have peace and prosperity. This is nonsense. Durāśayā. This is called durāśayā. That will never be fulfilled. The foolish creatures[?], what will never be fulfilled, they're trying for that. Durāśayā, na te viduḥ. Why they are trying so? Na te viduḥ. They are fools. They do not know. What they do not know? Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatim. What is their self-interest, they do not know. And what is that self-interest? Viṣṇu, the Supreme Lord. Their self-interest is to go back to home, go back to Godhead. That is their real self-interest.\nOne should be interested, selfish. This is real selfishness, that I must know what I am, what is the goal of my life. But these people, they do not know what is the goal of life. They are trying to adjust things here, but things will never be adjusted, because the nature of this material world is like that. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate [Bg 8.19]. \n[Again and again the day comes, and this host of beings is active; and again the night falls, O Pārtha, and they are helplessly dissolved.]\nTrisargo 'mṛṣām. It is a false, or temporary, representation... So this sum and substance is that the Supreme Lord, God, or Kṛṣṇa, has got two..., that He has got many diverse energies; all these diverse energies are, I mean to say, summarized in three division: the spiritual energy, the material energy and the marginal energy.\nWe are the mar... We are living entities. We are marginal. We are sometimes captivated by the material energy and sometimes we are in spiritual energy. Now our attempt is, Kṛṣṇa consciousness means, we are trying to transfer ourself from this temporary energy to the permanent energy.\nTherefore in the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find, mahātmānas tu mām, daivī prakṛtim āśritāḥ [Bg 9.13].\n[O son of Pṛthā, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible.]\nDaivī prakṛti means the superior energy, divine energy. This is also divine energy, but that is directly. This is indirectly. This is temporary. Nothing, without..., nothing can exist without being divine, because everything is coming out from divine. So sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma [Chāndogya Upaniṣad 3.14.1].\n[Everything, both matter and spirit, is non-different from the Supreme Personality of Godhead who is the Supreme Brahman.]\nTherefore the impersonalists, they have taken everything as Brahman. That is their... That is also true. Everything is Brahman. That's right. That's all right. Just like in this store. This whole thing is store. That's all right. But we have to take advantage of the store, not sitting in this, I mean to say, lavatory. You have to sit here. If you saw, \"That is also sitting place. Why not go there? And deliver the lecture from there?\" No. We have to utilize here. So you have to take advantage of the best. Everything is energy of Kṛṣṇa. That's all right. But we have to take advantage of the better energy, superior energy. So na te viduḥ, they do not know how to take advantage of that superior energy.\nSo there are two energies, the superior and inferior, or the spiritual and material. The material energy... This is the definition and the sum and substance of the definition and activities of the supreme summum bonum, janmādy asya yataḥ, the supreme source of everything. So, but the superior energy in which the Supreme Lord is always staying... Goloka eva nivasaty akhilātma-bhūto [Bs 5.37].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, residing in His own realm, Goloka, with Rādhā, resembling His own spiritual figure, the embodiment of the ecstatic potency possessed of the sixty-four artistic activities, in the company of Her confidantes [sakhīs], embodiments of the extensions of Her bodily form, permeated and vitalized by His ever-blissful spiritual rasa.]\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā also it is stated, paras tasmāt tu bhāvo 'nyo 'vyakto vyaktāt sanātanaḥ [Bg 8.20], \n[Yet there is another nature, which is eternal and is transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is annihilated, that part remains as it is.]\npuruṣaḥ sa paraḥ pārtha bhaktyā. That puruṣa, that Supreme Lord, has to understood bhaktyā, not otherwise. That is stated. Only through Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There is no other way. You cannot understand the Supreme Lord.\nThat Supreme Lord is dhāmnā svena sadā. Sadā means always, eternal. Dhāmnā svena: in His own abode. His own abode. Dhāmnā svena nirasta-kuhakam: where there is no illusion. Nirasta-kuhaka. Kuhaka means illusion. Just like here we..., everything is kuhaka. Everything is made of earth, water, temporary things. Just like a doll. Doll is the... You find, you sometimes find in store, storefront of big mercantile firm, there is nice girl standing with dress. So that is kuhakam, illusion. That is illusion. Those who know, \"Oh, it is a doll,\" similarly, that is the difference between a man in knowledge and man in ignorance. They are accepting this material doll as reality. That is materialism. And those who are in knowledge, they know, \"No, it is doll.\" The reality is different. So sadā nirasta, there is no, kuhakam... That doll illusion is not there. Sadā nirasta-kuhakam.\nThere, satyaṁ param, and there exists the Supreme Truth. Satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi [SB 1.1.1].\n[O my Lord, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmājī, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth.]\nThis dhīmahi means Gāyatrī mantra. Those who are brāhmaṇas, who are elevated, they are given this Gāyatrī mantra, oṁ bhūr bhuvaḥ svaḥ tat savitur vareṇyaṁ bhargo devasya dhīmahi. Dhīmahi. That dhīmahi word is used here in the Bhāgavatam. So Bhāgavatam is meant for persons who are already in the qualification of brāhmaṇa. It is not meant for persons who are in the qualification of śūdra. Because this very word suggests, dhīmahi. Dhīmahi is meant for brāhmaṇa, Gāyatrī mantra.\nSo this is to be understood, that God is always, His real characteristic, spiritual energy. And another characteristic, material energy, that is temporary.\nThank you very much. Any question? Any question?",
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"content": "\n Then open... There are so many men. It must be... Ventilation must be there.\najñāna-timirāndhasya\njñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur-unmīlitaṁ yena\ntasmai śrī-gurave namaḥ\n[Śrī Guru Praṇāma]\nAjñāna-timirāndhasya. Ajñāna means ignorance, darkness. Timi. Timi means darkness. So ajñāna-timirāndhasya: one who is in ignorance and in the darkness, such a person, every one of us... This material advancement of civilization is not knowledge. People may not agree with us, but actually this is the fact. This is ignorance.\nSuppose I have come here in your city. I have got some business. So if I forget my business and I become busy with my apartment, is that very sound knowledge? I have come here to execute some business. I have got my temple here. There are devotees. They want to see me; I want to see them. They want to take something, spiritual knowledge, from me, and my duty is to impart. This is the business. But if I simply become engaged how to decorate the apartment where I shall live and forget my business, does it mean that I am very intelligent? No.\nTherefore that is called ignorance. I forget my real business; I become engaged in some business which is very temporary. I am here for two days. I shall live in an apartment. It may be very nice or not very nice—that is not very important thing. For two days I can live anywhere, even underneath a tree. That does not hamper my business. But I must be very serious about my business. That is intelligence. If I forget my business and simply engage myself how to decorate the apartment, or simply thinking how I shall live here comfortably... Just like I saw one advertisement while coming: \"Comfortably living in heat[?] begins here.\" I saw.\nSo we are contemplating to live in this material world very comfortably. That has become our business. That is very much manifest in your Western countries. They are always busy how to live comfortably in this world. But they forget that one day will come, however secure and comfortable we may make our country or home, we will be kicked out: \"Please get out immediately.\" You cannot say that \"I have not finished my decoration of the apartment. Let me stay here for some days.\" No. The death is so cruel that one day, all of a sudden, it will come and say, \"Please get out immediately.\" So if I could not finish my business during that time, and if I am kicked out, then just imagine how much loss we suffer and what kind of fool we are.\nThe modern civilization, they do not know this. They think that \"This body has come out all of a sudden by accident\"—and the body means the senses—\"and let us enjoy the senses to the best capacity. That is perfection of life.\" The whole world, especially the Western country, their ideology, philosophy, is this: hedonism. \"Enjoy this life very comfortably, as nicely as possible.\" But that is a great defect and great mistake. Those who are in gross sense enjoyment platform, it is very difficult for them to understand.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, bhogaiśvarya-prasaktānāṁ tayāpahṛta-cetasām [Bg. 2.44]. Those who are too much attached to material sense enjoyment, bhoga... Bhoga means material sense enjoyment; and roga, roga means who is..., which puts impediments to sense enjoyment, or diseased condition. You cannot enjoy life in diseased condition.\n[aside:] Don't make that sound. Hear first of all.\nSo bhoga, roga, and there is another word, yoga. These are Sanskrit words. Bhoga. Bhoga means enjoying sense gratification. Roga means diseased condition, where..., when we cannot enjoy. And yoga means to get out of this bhoga and roga and go back to home, back to Godhead. That is called yoga. Bhogī, rogī and yogī. [laughter] Yes. Bhogī means they are interested in sense gratification, and rogī means those who are suffering.\nEvery one of us suffering more or less, because this is a place where suffering is the condition of life. But we forget. That is called ajñāna. Ajñāna-timirāndhasya. Ajñāna means that we living entities, being part and parcel of God, our position is as good as God. We may be little God, but our position qualitatively is as good as God. The Māyāvādī philosopher, they take it that we are as good as God in full strength. No. That is not.\nJust like part and parcel, anyone can understand, a little part of any good thing... Suppose gold. A little particle of gold, it is gold. That's a fact. But it is not as valuable as the lump of gold. The lump of gold is more valuable. The mine of gold and a particle of gold: particle of gold is also gold, but not equal to the gold mine. So the Absolute Truth, God, is just like gold mine, and we, every one of us, everything—a part and parcel of that gold mine. We are also gold.\nBut the quality being the same, the propensities should be also the same. Just like Kṛṣṇa. Here Kṛṣṇa is enjoying with gopīs. So because we are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, we also want to enjoy life with young girls, because we are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. This propensity to enjoy life with young girls or young boys, that is natural. Yuvatīnāṁ yathā yunoḥ yunaṁ yatati yathā yuvatī [Vijñāpti-pañcaka]. Young girl, young boy, they have got natural tendency to mix, to love. That is not unnatural. Why? Because this propensity is there in the Supreme. Just like you see Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa picture:\nānanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhavitabhis\ntābhir ya eva nija-rūpatayā kalābhiḥ\ngoloka eva nivasaty akhilātma-bhūto\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.37]\nGovinda, Lord Kṛṣṇa, He has expanded His ānanda-cinmaya-rasa energy. That ānanda-cinmaya-rasa energy expanded, there are so many gopīs, cowherds boys, cows, calves: they're giving, all combined together, ānanda, transcendental bliss to Kṛṣṇa. Just like... It is not very difficult to understand. Just like somebody keeps a batch of dogs to love. The dog also love the master, and the master loves the dog. So why not Kṛṣṇa loving cows and calves and they also love Kṛṣṇa? What is the difficulty to understand? This tendency try to understand.\nThe Vedānta-sūtra says, athāto brahma jijñāsā. Now what is the Absolute Truth? That is the question in the Vedānta-sūtra. The answer is, \"The Absolute Truth is that from which everything emanates.\" Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]. Now, now, what is that Absolute Truth? Ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt: \"By nature He is blissful.\"\nNow try to understand. If the Absolute Truth, God, is blissful, full of enjoyment... Blissful means... Without enjoyment there is no bliss. Ānandamaya abhyāsa. So we must be blissful. We must enjoy life very nicely. But that is not possible here, because here we are in diseased condition. The proof of diseased condition is that there is birth, death, old age and disease.\nThese are very nicely explained in the Bhagavad-gītā: \njanma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-\nduḥkha-doṣānudarśanam\n[Bg. 13.9].\nEvery effort is being made here to surpass distressed condition and to reach to the platform of happiness. The whole struggle is there. Why people are running by motorcar this way and that way? The background is to be happy, how to become happy. But they are making planning: \"I shall be happy in this way. I shall be happy in that way.\" Just like there is advertisement, \"Come on: there are some naked girl pictures.\" They are inviting, \"Come here. You will be happy.\"\nSo we are planning for happiness. Why? Why you are searching after happiness? Because constitutionally you are happy. Just like when we fall diseased we go to the doctor, physician, to cure the disease. Why? Because constitutionally we are healthy. To remain healthy is our normal life, and to fall diseased condition, that is not normal; that is abnormal. Therefore we go to the physician, take medicine, ask treatment, \"How shall I be cured?\"\nSimilarly, we are searching after happiness. Why? Because constitutional position is we are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, who is ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt [Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12]. He is by nature full of bliss. But our blissfulness has been disturbed. Now we shall have to find out why our happiness has been disturbed so that life after life we are searching after happiness, but we are becoming frustrated. That is our busines—not to make the temporary place very comfortable.\nJust like when you go to your office but you find the bus too much crowded. But you are not happy. Because the bus is too crowded, you have to stand, or very..., with difficulty you have to stand. You don't like that. But because you have to go to the office, you tolerate. You tolerate. \"First my business is to go to office, attend at the time. What can be done? Let me suffer this.\" Similarly, if you are serious about your business, that seriousness can be understood in this human form of life.\nThe animals cannot understand. The animals, they are taken to slaughterhouse, and one said... If one animal enters, all the animals will enter. They do not know. Even they know that \"We are going to be slaughtered,\" they have no means to protest or to go out. If a human being is slaughtered in the street, then his relatives, his kinsmen, file suit and brings the man into law.\nSo many facilities are there for a human being. But an animal, because it is animal, it has no facility. A cow is born in America and a gentleman is born in America, but the state takes care of the gentleman, not of the cows. They say \"national,\" \"nationality.\" Why nationality is refused to the animals?\nJust like few days or few years ago the nationality was also awarded to the black man. This is nice. Why one section of humanity should be denied nationality? That was very nice. So similarly, if national means the living entity born in that land... That is natural. If a child, even of an Indian, if a child is born in your country he gets immediately the citizenship. That is the law. So the conclusion is that anyone who is born in this land, he gets nationality. But why we should refuse nationality to the poor animals? This is called ignorance. He is also...\nBut we have made concoction, law, that \"Animal has no soul.\" Why it is, it has no soul? What is the difference between you and animal? You eat; the animal eats. You sleep; the animal sleeps. You have sex life; the animal has sex life. You also try to defend yourself and the animal also tries to defend himself. So āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithunaṁ ca [Hitopadeśa], eating, sleeping, mating and defending, these four principles, bodily demand, are similar to the animal and to the man.\nSo why the animals should be denied nationality? It is not that because they are less intelligent they should be denied nationality. No. Just like a father has got four boys. Not that everyone is of the same intelligence. But does the father gives less protection to the less intelligent son? No. The protection, the family protection, is equal for everyone.\nThese are the conception, bhāgavata community, equal right to everyone, even to the animals. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa consciousness means paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ, learned. One who is Kṛṣṇa conscious, he is fully learned, paṇḍita. So what is the symptoms of a paṇḍita, learned man? That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nvidyā-vinaya-sampanne\nbrāhmaṇe gavi hastini\nśuni caiva śva-pāke ca\npaṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ\n[Bg. 5.18]\nOne person is very learned. In our country a brāhmaṇa, he is supposed to be very learned; therefore he is addressed as paṇḍita. Paṇḍita means very learned. Nowadays he may be a fool number one, but he is called paṇḍita. That is not actually the fact. A brāhmaṇa means very, very learned in Vedic literature. Veda-pathād bhaved vipraḥ. One who has studied the Vedas very nicely, he is vipra.\nSo one who is actually paṇḍita, he will see a learned brāhmaṇa, a hog, a dog and a caṇḍāla, an elephant, like that, everyone, all living entities—that means all living entities—on the equal level, because he sees to the soul, not to the body. Just like we are meeting here. We are seeing each other. We have not come here to see the dress; we have come to see or to learn some knowledge. Similarly, the human life is especially meant for grasping the knowledge we are missing. The missing knowledge is that I have forgotten that I am spirit soul, part and parcel of God, Kṛṣṇa. That is the missing point.\nSo our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is meant for reviving that lost consciousness. That lost consciousness. We have lost this consciousness that \"I am the part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, the supreme blissful enjoyer, but somehow or other, being complicated within this matter, I am suffering. I am trying to become happy with this material atmosphere, which is not possible.\" Just like if you are put into the water you may be very nice swimmer, but you cannot be happy there, because the water is not your place.\nYou are a living entity of the land. Similarly, a fish, if you take out of the water and give it a velvet bedding, \"My dear fish, you lie down here, on the velvet,\" he'll die, because the condition is different. Similarly, we are spirit soul, Kṛṣṇa's part and parcel. So unless we go back to Kṛṣṇa, just like the gopīs or the cowherds boy, we cannot be happy. There is no possibility.\nSo the ideal pictures are there, that you become Kṛṣṇa conscious and you go back to home, back to Kṛṣṇa, and be happy. That is our program. It is very nice program. This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is not an ordinary, bluffing movement. It is a solid, authorized movement, and we are opening branches as far as possible in all parts of the world to give facility to the people, to the civilized men, to understand what is the value of his life, how he can be happy.\nThat is our business. We have no business to cheat you, that \"I give you some mantra and you give me some money; I go away.\" No. We have come to serve you, so you take advantage. You don't misunderstand us, that \"It is a religious sect.\" No. We are not religious sect. We are cultural sect. We are giving the highest culture to the human society, to awaken his lost consciousness.\nSo I am very happy to see you all, American boys, Indians. This is wanted. We want to unite the whole world under this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. And actually that is happening. In our Society we have got devotees from all section of people—from Christian, from Jews, from Hindu, from Muhammadan, from black, from white. It doesn't matter, because we are seeing according to the Bhagavad-gītā, paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ [Bg. 5.18]. A learned man sees every living entity on the equal level. So we are trying to see in that light, and we are trying to teach others also how to accept that light, how to enjoy that light.\nSo it is a very serious movement. You can take. Every one of you can take advantage of it. It is not very difficult to practice, because our process is very simple: you come and chant with us Hare Kṛṣṇa. Anyone can pronounce this word \"Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" Actually we are seeing all over the world. There is no difficulty to chant this mantra. It is open. There is no secrecy, that \"I shall give you one mantra, a particular mantra for you.\" No. This mantra is one, and it is equally applicable to everyone—to the learned, to the ignorant, to the white, to the black, to the old, to the youth. Everyone can chant.\nAnd actually it is happening. It is very easy. And chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and learn how to chant. There is... Of course, there is no hard and fast rules. You begin chanting, in whatever condition you are and, see the result. And so far examples, we have got our temples, we have got our devotees. How they are living, how their characters are being formed, how they are becoming purified, how their faces are becoming brighter, you try to see. It is practical.\nSo that is our request, that you take full advantage of this center. You come here. It is being guided by one of my best disciples, Bhagavān dāsa. So he and others will help you. Please come regularly to this temple and take advantage of it.\nThank you very much.",
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"content": "\n All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. [devotees offer obeisances]",
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"content": "\n Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.\n[break] So is there any other business? I shall go.",
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"content": "\n Caitanya Mahāprabhu said that \"Under My order, every one of you go and preach and become spiritual master.\" And what is that order? The order is that \"Whomever you meet, you talk to him about Kṛṣṇa.\"\nyāre dekha, tāre kaha 'kṛṣṇa'-upadeśa\nāmāra ajñāya guru hañā tāra ei deśa\n[Cc. Madhya 7.128]\nHe says that \"Under My order, you become a spiritual master.\" To become a spiritual master under the order of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu is not very difficult. Unless we adulterate, mix in something nonsense in His teachings, if we simply present, as it is, then every one of us can become a spiritual master.\nBut the difficulty is that they mix up something. Just like you have tasted sweet rice, paramānna. And if somebody mixes some sand with it... The paramānna is very good, but because it is mixed with some sand particles it is spoiled; you cannot take. This is practical. Similarly, the teachings of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, teachings of Lord Kṛṣṇa, is very simple. But the rascals put some sand particles. That is the difficulty. Spoils the broth, spoil the everything. \"Kṛṣṇa means this, and Pāṇḍava means this.\" Why \"Pāṇḍava means this\"? Why not as it is in the Bhagavad-gītā?\nSo this process should be avoided—mixing sand with the sweet rice. This rascaldom should be avoided. Then you can..., everyone can distribute nicely. So many people say, \"Oh, Swāmījī, you have done wonderful.\" So I say, the secret of my wonderful activities is that I have not tried to adulterate it. I am simply presenting as it is. In the Bhagavad-gītā Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So I have told you that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. I say that \"You simply surrender unto Kṛṣṇa.\" So what is the difficulty?\nEverything is there in the Bhagavad-gītā, and I am simply reproducing it: \"Do this.\" And it is acting. Because I am not adulterating the sweet rice with sand, people are tasting it very nice. So you also follow the same principle. Don't try to adulterate. Present it as it is. And people will like it. There is no difficulty.\nSo this is a paramparā. Our system is paramparā, guru-paramparā. Kṛṣṇa is the original guru. He says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66], man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. So if we say in the similar way that \"Give up everything. Surrender to Kṛṣṇa. Just always think of Kṛṣṇa. Chant Kṛṣṇa's name. Worship Kṛṣṇa. Offer obeisance to Kṛṣṇa,\" where is the difficulty? It is very simple thing.\nAll our disciples, they are doing the same thing. I have come here for the first time, but before me, Bhagavān dāsa, he has organized. But what is his credit? He has presented the thing as I have told him. That's all. This is wonderful. In Los Angeles also our program is going on very nicely. He, my disciple in charge, Karandhara—he's present here—he's simply doing what I instruct, and he's doing very nicely, first class. Everyone who comes, they become enchanted with the temple, with the activities, with the disciple.\nSo this is the way. This is called paramparā system. Don't try to manufacture. The difficulty is that we are manufacturing. And some rascals are supporting that \"Whatever you manufacture, it is all right.\" This is another rascaldom. They are supporting that \"Whatever you think of, religion, whatever you manufacture, it is all right.\" We don't say that. We say, \"What Kṛṣṇa says, that is right. And everything wrong.\" That is our business. So if you say like that, \"What Kṛṣṇa says is all right,\" that will please me. We don't want to adulterate and bluff.\nHare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances] Go on. [end]",
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"content": "\n\nye yathā māṁ prapadyante\ntāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham\nmama vartmānuvartante\nmanuṣyāḥ pārtha sarvaśaḥ\n[Bg 4.11]\n[All of them—as they surrender unto Me—I reward accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Pṛthā.]\nLord Kṛṣṇa says that \"Every man is following My path, indirectly or directly.\" The supreme position of the Lord is that He is in the supreme absolute position, and every other living being, they are all subordinate. In the Vedic Upaniṣad it is clearly stated,\nnityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām\neko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān\n[Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]\n[The Supreme Lord is eternal and the living beings are eternal. The Supreme Lord is cognizant and the living beings are cognizant. The difference is that the Supreme Lord is supplying all the necessities of life for the many other living entities.]\nThis is the natural law in any society, in any community, in any country, even in the animal society. If you go to the forest there are societies of different animal: elephant society, tiger society, deer society, jackal society, wolf society. Even in the birds, you'll find, the birds of the same feather flock together. This is the natural way. You'll find that all the pigeons, they flock together, not the crows and the pigeons flock together. The ducks, they flock together. Similarly, this is the natural way, and there... In every group there is a leader.\nSo the Supreme Lord, He is called in the Vedic literature that He is the supreme leader. Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām. Nitya means eternal, and nityānām, that means many other eternals. We are many other eternals. Eka, that one eternal... Eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān. There are two kinds of eternals. We living entities, we are also eternal, and the Supreme Lord, He is also eternal. So far eternity is concerned, both of us equal on the qualitative nature. He is eternal, and we are eternal. Sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha [Bs 5.1].\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nHe is also all pleasure, and we are also all pleasure, because we are all parts and parcel of the same quality. But He is the leader. Eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān: \"That one is maintaining all these many's.\" We, the living entities, we are many's.\nSo our position is always subordinate. That is our natural constitutional position. Now, the Supreme Lord's position is the leadership, and our position is subordinate. Now, then what is our duty? Our duty is to follow the leader. And actually we are doing so. We have got... Instead of... We have forgotten that the supreme leader is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but still, for our daily activities we create a leader. We accept some leader and follow his principles.\nJust like you have elected your leader as President Johnson, the president of your state. He is supposed to be the leader of your nation, and he is asking you to go to the Vietnam and sacrifice your life. So you are following. So this is the natural position. Even if we do not accept God, if we do not accept the leadership of God, we have to select another leader. We cannot get rid of this principle, that we can live without leader. That is our constitutional position.\nSo the difficulty is that... Our difficulty is that instead of following the supreme leader, we are creating by mental concoction some leader according to our material conception of life, and we are following. That is our position. So Lord Kṛṣṇa says,\nye yathā māṁ prapadyante\ntāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham\nmama vartmānuvartante\nmanuṣyāḥ pārtha sarvaśaḥ\n[Bg 4.11]\n[All of them—as they surrender unto Me—I reward accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Pṛthā.]\nPeople are actually following the same principle, but the difficulty is that in our this position of lower nature we are following in the manner which will not make us happy and satisfied. Because we are not following the supreme leader, the difficulty. By constitutional position we are to follow a leader, but because we are misled, because we are deluded to follow a leader which is not perfect, therefore our position is always unhappy in spite of following the leadership of a concocted nature.\nTherefore the best thing will be to get rid of this concocted position and follow the supreme leader. That is the highest perfection. Just try to understand that I cannot avoid following someone's leadership. That is not possible. Can anyone say that \"We can avoid this\"? No. We cannot avoid. Even if we don't accept the leadership of God, we have to accept some other leaders. That is our position. We cannot avoid it.\nSo there is a very nice verse in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. A brāhmaṇa, he was a family man, just like worldly man, as we are. Now, brāhmaṇas are generally expected to be highly learned, and he was very learned man in Vedic literature. And when he came to his consciousness by reading all this Vedic literature, that \"Although I am following the leadership, why I am not happy? Why I am not happy?\"... This question should arise in the sane human mind. One should think that \"I am following the leadership of somebody, according to my position and according to my circumstances. But still, I am not happy. Why?\"\nWhy we select one leader? The leader should be such a leader that they shall..., he shall make happy and prosperous persons who follow him. That is the question of leadership. But actually, if we think in sober mind and cool head, we can understand that although we are following leadership, may be whatever he may be, still, we are not happy. Now, the brāhmaṇa concluded that \"This following leadership is the following leadership of my lust.\" I select one leader according to my lust. Just like in political parties there are many leaders, but I like some particular type of political pursuit—someone likes Democratic political pursuit; someone likes Congress political pursuit; someone likes Communist political pursuit. So we have got different desires.\nSo practically, if we study very minutely, then we are not following the leadership but we are following our particular lust. I have got a particular lust within me, and when I find somebody corroborating with that particular lust, oh, I accept him, that leader. That is my position. Therefore I do not follow anyone's leadership, but I follow my own leadership. That is the lust. I want to do..., I like to do something, and if somebody says, \"Oh, yes, it is very nice,\" \"Oh, you are my leader. If you confirm my lust, then you are my leader.\" That is the material leadership.\nBut the Supreme Lord is not like such... He is not such a leader. He is not going to follow your lust. In the Bhagavad-gītā you will find that the Supreme Lord says in the Eighteenth Chapter,\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja\nahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo\nmokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ\n[Bg 18.66]\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\nHe says, \"My dear Arjuna, I have spoken to you all about Bhagavad-gītā. I do not know whether you have understood the whole thing or not, but because you are My friend and I love you and you love Me, I say you the most confidential thing to you. And what is that? You give up everything and just follow Me. You just give up all your concocted things in the mind and just become Kṛṣṇa conscious.\"\n\"Oh, I shall give up everything and simply I shall follow You?\" \"Yes.\" \"Oh, how can I do? I have got so many department of knowledge and department of things. How can I?\" No. He says, mā śucaḥ: \"Don't hesitate.\" Then what will be the result? The result will be ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi [Bg 18.66]: \"I shall deliver you from all reactions of your sinful acts.\"\nYou know, of course, according to Vedic literature... And I don't say about the Vedic literature. That is the injunction of every scripture, either Bible, Koran or any religious scripture, that we suffer due to our sinful actions. And our sinful actions are due to our ignorance. This is the cause.\nNow, you will find in the Bhagavad-gītā,\nteṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ\nbhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam\nbuddhi-yogaṁ dadāmi taṁ\nyena mām upayānti te\n[Bg 10.10]\n[To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.]\n\"Any person who is devoutedly is attached to Me and is fully Kṛṣṇa conscious with love and faith, unto him, I give dictation in such a way that he will come to Me.\" \"He will come to Me.\" How He will give me dictation? Oh, īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe arjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg 18.61]:\n[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]\n\"The Supreme Lord, by His plenary portion, He is situated within your heart.\" Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe arjuna tiṣṭhati, that we individual soul and the Supreme Soul, both of them are sitting in this tree of body. That is the Vedic injunction. The Veda says that two birds, just like friends, they are sitting on the same tree. One bird is eating the fruit of the tree, and the other bird is not eating the fruit but is simply observing the activities of the other bird. This description we get from Vedic literature.\nThe bird which is not eating the fruit of the tree, he is the Supersoul. And the bird which is eating the fruit of the tree, he is the soul, individual soul. That is we are. We are sitting in this tree of body, and we are eating. This body means every one of us has got a particular body for particular type of distress or enjoyment. Every living being is responsible for his past act, and he gets a body, either human body or animal body, American body or Indian body or African body. There are different kinds of... I have several times repeated that 8,400,000's of different bodies.\nSo living entity is... According to his work, he is wandering in this circle in the cycle of different species of life. But the Supreme Lord, He is so kind and so friendly with us that He is also with us. Suppose I am sitting in this bird. As soon as I fly to another... I am sitting in this tree, and as soon as I fly to another tree, the other bird, He also follows me. He also follows me, and sits again in that tree. He is so friendly.\nJust imagine how much kind and how much friendly is the Lord. He is always trying to call me back again to Him. We are trying to noncooperate with Him. We are trying to noncooperate, and He is trying to cooperate. He is sitting with me in the same branch, He is witnessing, He is observing, and He is waiting, simply waiting when we shall turn my face, when I shall turn my face towards Him. That is the whole thing.\nSo here Bhagavad-gītā, Bhagavān, Kṛṣṇa, says, ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. He is waiting, waiting when you shall turn, when I shall turn my face towards Him. That's all. He is waiting. Just like... Just you can imagine, just like a father and a rebelled child or insane child. Those who have got... Of course, you are all young men here. Those who are elderly person, they have got experience. If their sons go wrong, how much they are anxious. How much the father is anxious to get his son back again. Back again. That is the natural instinct.\nAnd wherefrom this instinct comes? This instinct comes from the Supreme, because in the Vedānta-sūtra you will find that everything, whatever you are finding in this material world or spiritual world, everything, that has come from the Supreme. Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]: \"He is the supreme source, fountainhead of everything.\"\nSo similarly, whatever we see, paternal affection, conjugal love, friendship or master and servant... There are so many things we are related in this material world. We must always know that all these sentiments, they are coming from the Supreme. So here the paternal affection which we see here or the conjugal love which we see here, that is simply a perverted reflection of the Supreme.\nSo you just... If we can study this material relationship between one living being to another living being, then if..., a sober student, a philosophical-minded student, can understand what is our relation with God. It is not very difficult to understand.\nNow here Kṛṣṇa says, ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. He is looking after always, \"When the living entity shall turn his face towards Me?\" And as we turn our face towards Kṛṣṇa, or the Supreme Lord, He also responds in proportionately. He also responds proportionately. It is not difficult.\nSomebody says, \"Can we see God?\" Yes, you can see God. But how much prapatti? How much you have surrendered to God? Surrender to God... How much qualification you have acquired for seeing God? Seeing God is not very difficult, but at the same time it is very difficult. Just like if I want to see President Johnson, if I am unknown to him, oh, I will have to take so many formalities. I will have to write to his secretary, and the secretary will give me some time or may not give me some time. So many things. But if you are personally known to President Johnson, you are intimately thick and thin with him, and as soon as you call him, \"Mr. Johnson, I want to see you,\" \"Yes, you can come.\"\nSo it depends on the thick-and-thin–ship of your relations with Supreme Lord. If you can establish your relationship with the Supreme Lord in love... The Lord does not require our cooperation. He is full in Himself. He does not require my service, but still, if you love Him, then He reciprocates. So our reciprocation with the Lord depends on the proportion of our love, love of Godhead. This love of Godhead can be attained by Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. A proportionately, as I surrender unto the Supreme Lord... We must always know that our background of relationship is that we are subordinate and He is great. God is great. We cannot be equal with Him. We have to follow. He is the supreme leader. Therefore Lord Kṛṣṇa says that \"You give up everything.\" He is trying to give you leadership. He is prepared to give you all leadership, provided you are prepared to follow His leadership. That's all. Reciprocation. And in proportionately, proportionately as you accept His leadership, He also responds reciprocally. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. As you...\nSo everything depends on me. I can see God. Just like I am seeing you face to face, you are seeing me face to face, similarly, you can see Kṛṣṇa face to face. Just like Arjuna saw face to face. Why? Because the relationship was so nice that they were in friendly relation. So seeing of God is not very difficult. Simply we have to acquire that qualification.\nIn the Brahma-saṁhitā—this is another Vedic literature—it is said,\npremāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena\nsantaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti\nyaṁ śyāmasundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs 5.38]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is Śyāmasundara, Kṛṣṇa Himself with inconceivable innumerable attributes, whom the pure devotees see in their heart of hearts with the eye of devotion tinged with the salve of love.]\nPremāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena. Now, we have to prepare our eyes to see God. That's all. Just like we are seeing here a thing, say, suppose a motorcar. A layman is seeing, and another, mechanic, who knows how the motorcar is running, what are the machinery, how it is fitted, he is also seeing. So this layman seeing and the expert seeing is different. The expert mechanic, he can see the car, who has made it, who is the maker and how it is running, and so many things he can see. And layman, he can see just a car. So similarly, to see everything... Just like we are seeing the sun, a child is seeing the sun and a scientist, astronomer, is also seeing the sun. So both seeing are not the same.\nSo seeing God is not difficult, but we have to prepare our eyes. And how that eyes..., how that eye is prepared, that is stated in the Vedic literature, that if you kindly smear your eyeballs with the ointment of love. There is an ointment. Of course, it is not available in the drug shop. [laughter] You have to prepare that ointment. You have to prepare that eye ointment, love, love ointment. And if you smear with that love ointment your eyes, then you can see Kṛṣṇa always.\npremāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena\nsantaḥ sadaiva...\n[Bs 5.38]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is Śyāmasundara, Kṛṣṇa Himself with inconceivable innumerable attributes, whom the pure devotees see in their heart of hearts with the eye of devotion tinged with the salve of love.]\nSadaiva means always. Always. Not a single moment you are without Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise, do you think that...\nOf course, in India we have got many sages, they are living in the jungle, aloof from human society, without any fear, without any caring the animals or for life or fooding. How? Because he is seeing always Kṛṣṇa there, so he has no fear. He has no fear. He is enjoying life there. There are many instances. In our line, one Rūpa Gosvāmī... Rūpa Gosvāmī, he was the prime minister of the then government. Five hundred years before, India was under the Pathan rule, Bengal, and there was a king whose name was Nawab Hussain Shah. Nawab Hussain Shah's prime minister was Sākara Mallika. That Sākara Mallika later on became a great devotee of Lord Caitanya, and his name was transformed into Rūpa Gosvāmī.\nSo they were coming from very aristocratic family, but they gave up everything and lived at Vṛndāvana, eating only dry bread and whatever nonsense they... They were very rich men, but still, how they could live in such a way? That is described that tyaktvā tūrṇam aśeṣa-maṇḍala-pati-śreṇīṁ sadā tuccha-vat: \"They gave up all aristocratic association just like insignificant.\" And,\ntyaktvā tūrṇam aśeṣa-maṇḍala-pati-śreṇīṁ sadā tuccha-vat\nbhūtvā dīna-gaṇeśakau karuṇayā kaupīna-kanthāśritau\n[Śrī Śrī Ṣaḍ Gosvāmy Aṣṭaka 4]\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the six Gosvāmīs, namely Śrī Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrī Sanātana Gosvāmī, Śrī Raghunātha Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, Śrī Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Śrī Jīva Gosvāmī, and Śrī Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, who kicked off all association of aristocracy as insignificant. In order to deliver the poor conditioned souls, they accepted loincloths, treating themselves as mendicants, but they are always merged in the ecstatic ocean of the gopīs' love for Kṛṣṇa and bathe always and repeatedly in the waves of that ocean.]\n\"And they adopted life of mendicant just to show mercy to the fallen souls.\" But how they lived?\ngopī-bhāva-rasāmṛtābdhi-laharī-kallola-magnau sadā\nvande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau\n[Śrī Śrī Ṣaḍ Gosvāmy Aṣṭaka 4]\n\"They were merged in the ocean of love of Kṛṣṇa, and they lived so happily.\"\nThat is... There is a position like that, that you can forget all these material comforts. But there is no comfort in the material life. It is so-called. It is simply a delusion. We are thinking that we are comfortable. And suppose we are comfortable. How long you shall live in that comfort? That is limited. Either the comfort will leave you or you have to leave the comfort. It may be that your position... The comfortable position which you have created by your monetary strength may be that your monetary strength may go down and you become a pauper. So comfort leaves you. Or if you continue... Even if you continue a comfortable life, then death comes and you leave the comfortable. You go away. So there will be separation, certainly.\nTherefore the brāhmaṇa of whose story I was telling, he, when, after going through this Vedic literature, he understood that \"I am following the leadership wrongly of my lust. I am not following the leadership of anyone else. It is false. And although I am accepting somebody as my leader, but actually I accept somebody as my leader who corroborates with my lust. Therefore lust created by me is my leader.\"\nSo he said, kāmādīnāṁ kati na katidhā pālitā durnideśāḥ [C.c. Madhya 22.16]:\n[O my Lord, there is no limit to the unwanted orders of lusty desires. Although I have rendered these desires so much service, they have not shown any mercy to me. I have not been ashamed to serve them, nor have I even desired to give them up. O my Lord, O head of the Yadu dynasty, recently, however, my intelligence has been awakened, and now I am giving them up. Due to transcendental intelligence, I now refuse to obey the unwanted orders of these desires, and I now come to You to surrender myself at Your fearless lotus feet. Kindly engage me in Your personal service and save me.]\n\"Oh, I have followed the leadership of my lust, and in doing so, I am ashamed to, I mean to say, accept it. I agree to accept it, that I have done so many nonsense by the dictation of my lust.\" Kāmādīnāṁ kati na katidhā pālitā durnideśāḥ. When a person is lustful, then he can do any nonsense thing. Lust is so strong. He can do any nonsense. Durnideśāḥ. Durnideśāḥ means the direction which I should not have followed, but being, I mean to say, pressed by my lust, even I followed which I should not have followed.\nSo he is just studying his own life, that \"So far I have followed the leadership of my lust, but the result is that my lust is not satisfied.\" Teṣāṁ na trapā nopaśāntiḥ. Lust will never be satisfied. \"My lust is never satisfied, neither he is giving me release of this slavery of my lust.\" So he says, \"My dear Lord, Kṛṣṇa, I have understood that I have followed the leadership of my lust so long, but the result is that the leader whom I have followed, neither he is satisfied, neither I am satisfied.\" Neither the leader is satisfied...\nJust like, I'll give you a concrete example. In India, I know, Mahatma Gandhi was the leader. But you know that at the last stage he was killed. That means the leader could not satisfy the public, neither public was satisfied with the leader. This is the material leadership. Nobody can... Just like we see so many criticisms of President Johnson. The other day I was seeing in the paper, they have given some caricature. So this is going on. Nobody is satisfied. Kāmādīnāṁ kati na katidhā pālitā durnideśāḥ [Cc Madhya 22.16].\nI may follow the leadership of my wife throughout my whole life. Now, if I say to my wife, \"My dear, I am going to..., for spiritual culture. Please give me leave,\" \"Oh, how can you leave? You have got so many responsibilities. You have this and that. Oh...\" So there is no pension. So Kāmādīnāṁ kati na katidhā pālitā durnideśāḥ.\nTherefore, if we become saner, then instead of following this material leadership, we may agree to follow the leadership of Kṛṣṇa. Just try to follow the leadership of Kṛṣṇa and make an experiment how you are becoming happy. We have just started this association, International Society for Krishna Consciousness, and trying to preach Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If you kindly come and take advantage of this opportunity, it will be beneficial for both of us, because we have come here with a mission, and if you cooperate, you will be benefited.\nThe Bhagavad-gītā is a standard literature. Most of you know this Bhagavad-gītā. But generally, the Bhagavad-gītā is read very superficially, not very critically. We do not understand Kṛṣṇa, the author of Bhagavad-gītā, neither we understand what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, although it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. We read Bhagavad-gītā superficially, not very critically, neither there is any edition so far... Of course, in Sanskrit there are many editions: annotation by Śrīdhara Svāmī, annotation by Baladeva Vidyābhūṣaṇa, annotation by Viśvanātha Cakravartī, annotation by Śrī Rāmānujācārya. There are many great scholars. But we have no information of those in the Western countries. You have no information of those scholars.\nOrdinary person with some academic career, they think they are very learned, they can comment on Bhagavad-gītā. Oh, that is not possible. That is not possible. The other day we have already discussed that Bhagavad-gītā can be understood by a person who is Kṛṣṇa conscious, nobody else. Bhakto 'si priyo 'si me rahasyaṁ hy etad uttamam [Bg 4.3].\n[That very ancient science of the relationship with the Supreme is today told by Me to you because you are My devotee as well as My friend; therefore you can understand the transcendental mystery of this science.]\nSo here is a chance. Now, Kṛṣṇa says that ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. Now the proportionately, if you agree to follow the leadership of Kṛṣṇa, proportionately as you follow, so you become perfect. If you follow one percent, then you become one percent perfect. If you follow twenty-five percent, then you become twenty-five percent perfect. And if you follow cent percent, then you become cent percent. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante tāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham [Bg 4.11].\n[All of them—as they surrender unto Me—I reward accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Pṛthā.]\nKṛṣṇa does not interfere with your individual independence. Every living entity has got an independence, minute, because he is also spiritual atom. We are all spiritual atom. That atomic, spiritual atomic force... Just like a material atomic force is so strong, so you can just imagine how strong is spiritual atom. In the modern age, the atomic age, the scientists have discovered the force, the power of material atom. But they have not yet known what is the force of spiritual atom. There is spiritual atom. We are spiritual atom.\nThe atom is described in the Vedic literature, the form of the spirit which we are actually: keśāgra-śata-bhāgasya śatadhā kalpitasya ca [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 5.9]. \n[When the upper point of a hair is divided into one hundred parts and again each of such parts is further divided into one hundred parts, each such part is the measurement of the dimension of the spirit soul.]\nKeśāgra... Keśa means the hair, the upper portion of your hair. When it is divided into ten thousand part... And just imagine, that one part is the spiritual atom. It is so small, it is so minute, that it is not possible to see with our material eyes. Even the material atom also we cannot see. When the material atoms are combined into six, then you can see floating in the air through the sunshine which is entering your room through the holes of a window. You can see some particles. That small particle, they are combination of six atoms. That particle, when it is divided into six, that becomes the atom. So we cannot see even the material atoms, and what to speak of the spiritual atom.\nWhen a dead man is there, the medical man or every scientist, everyone is sitting. How that spiritual atom is passed from this body, nobody can see. They can simply say, \"Oh, now he is gone.\" Who is gone? Have you seen who is gone? \"No.\" Then what you are seeing? \"I am seeing this dead body.\" So whole life you have seen this dead body. So if I cannot see at the present structure of my body even the spark, material atom, how we can see God, the Supreme Spirit?\nSo we have to qualify ourselves. So that qualification is, here it is stated, ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. If you try to surrender yourself into Kṛṣṇa consciousness... Just like Kṛṣṇa is canvassing, asking Arjuna, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇam [Bg 18.66]:\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\n\"You just try to surrender unto Me, and I shall give you all protection.\" And just I described a few minutes before that Kṛṣṇa is seated along with you in the same tree of this body. He is just waiting for your voluntary looking unto Him. That's it. He does not press you. He gives you all instruction. Just like Kṛṣṇa gave all instruction of Bhagavad-gītā to Arjuna, but at last, He asked him, \"My dear Arjuna, I have given you all instruction. Whether you have understood it? And how you are going to follow? Have you decided to follow Me?\"\nJust see. He does not say that \"I force you to follow.\" No. He asked him, \"Now, have you decided to follow Me?\" And He gives him the, I mean to say, full independence—yathecchasi tathā kuru [Bg 18.63]:\n[Thus I have explained to you the most confidential of all knowledge. Deliberate on this fully, and then do what you wish to do.]\n\"Now I have given you all instruction. Now it is up to you. You can do whatever you like.\"\nSo our position is always like that. Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord, or His bona fide representatives who come here, they can force you to go back to Godhead, but they do not do that. They want your voluntary cooperation. Unless you are prepared to cooperate voluntarily, oh, there is no question of my improvement. So we must accept our voluntary cooperation with Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord, or His representative who comes before you to canvass, \"My dear sir, please be Kṛṣṇa conscious. Please look to the leadership of the Supreme Lord.\" Now it is up to you.\nNow, He says that \"Actually they are following my leadership.\" Because they are servant, they are followers of leader. They are servant of some created leader materially. So that means there is a propensity, that intrinsic background of following some leader, is there. That you cannot avoid. That you cannot avoid. Mama vartmānuvartante manuṣyāḥ pārtha sarvaśaḥ. They have to... Every man has to follow the same principle. He cannot go out of it. His constitutional position is to follow a leader. He cannot go out of it. Nobody can go out of it. He has to follow either A, B, C or D or anyone. He has to select.\nJust like I'll give you another example. According to Manu-saṁhitā, our Vedic literature, the Manu-saṁhitā says, na striyaṁ svatantratām arhati: \"Women should not be given independence,\" or \"Women are not independent.\" That is a, I mean, a truth, Vedic truth. Now, so far a girl is child, she is dependent on the father, and it is hoped... At least in India we have got this principle. When a girl is grown up, the father gives him..., gives her in charity to a boy to protect her, protect her, give her protection. And similarly, when a woman is grown up, old enough, she becomes protected by the grown-up boys, children.\nSo this Vedic truth that woman has no independence... She is always under the protection, either under the protection of the father or under the protection of the husband or under the protection of the grown-up sons. That is position. And woman becomes happy in that way. Those who are not following this principle, I think they are not happy. This Vedic principle is truth.\nSo as the woman or the child requires the protection of somebody, similarly, by nature we are under the protection of some leader. But that supreme leadership is vested in the Supreme Lord. And when we do not accept the leadership of the Supreme, then we have to accept somebody else, A-B-C-D, as our leader, and they will misguide us. Andhā yathāndhair upanīya... How they are misguiding, just try to understand. How our leaders are misguiding us, just try to understand. In the Bhāgavata it is said,\nna te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ\ndurāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ\nandhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās\nte 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ\n[SB 7.5.31]\n[Persons who are strongly entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is to return home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Viṣṇu. As blind men guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, materially attached men led by another materially attached man are bound by the ropes of fruitive labor, which are made of very strong cords, and they continue again and again in materialistic life, suffering the threefold miseries.]\n\"People deluded by the material nature do not know what is the ultimate goal of life. The ultimate goal of life is Viṣṇu.\" Viṣṇu means self-realization, the supreme soul.\nWhy they do not know it? Now, durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ: \"They have accepted this external, deluded nature as the goal of life.\" They want to be happy by adjustment of this material nature. This is durāśayā. Durāśayā means... Duḥ means a difficult, a far away. This hope will never be satisfied. They have made it a point to forget God for good, and they want to make it a point that \"We shall be happy in this material world by adjustment of our scientific or so-called knowledge.\"\nAnd the leaders who are leading them in that way, what sort of leader they are? Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānāḥ [SB 7.5.31]. Andha, just like a blind man. Sometimes you see a blind man is in this side of the street. He is asking somebody, \"Kindly take me to the other side.\" But if another blind man comes, \"All right, I will help you,\" so what he will help him? The man who wants help to go to the other side, he is seeking for help, and another blind man comes, \"All right, I shall help you.\" So that help is that in the middle of the street they will be smashed. Both of them will be smashed.\nSo similarly, our leadership is like that. Our leaders, they are compact by the laws of nature, and they are proclaiming that \"I am leader.\" Just like in India or... The late Prime Minister, Shastri, oh, he was leader. He went to, I mean to say, Russia for making compromise with Pakistan. But he did not know that while signing the peace agreement he would be expired. Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās te 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ: \"They are tied hand and feet by the laws of nature; still, they are claiming that 'I am the leader.' \"\nSuppose if I want to help you, just like the blind man. I must have eyes. Suppose your hands are tied up. If I want to help you, then my hands must be free. But if my hands are also tied up, how can I help you? It is not possible. So I must be a free man to help you. Your hands are tied up by the laws of nature; then I must be a free man. I must be free from the laws of nature; then I can help you.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is free from the laws of nature. Therefore He can help you. He can, I mean to say, unbind your tightening. Tri-guṇamayī. Tri-guṇamayī means the guṇa. Guṇa means rope, and also the modes of nature. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg 7.14].\n[This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.]\nSo we are all under the stringent laws of this material nature. So if we want to get free, we must accept a leader who is free from this material nature. So Kṛṣṇa is free. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā. The material nature is working under His direction. Mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram [Bg 9.10].\n[This material nature is working under My direction, O son of Kuntī, and it is producing all moving and unmoving beings. By its rule this manifestation is created and annihilated again and again.]\nYou'll find in the Bhagavad-gītā. Material nature is working under His direction. He is not under the direction of the material nature. Therefore He can be our leader, and nobody else can be leader.\nSo if you actually want... Because by nature we have to follow some leadership, so if we actually want the leadership which will lead us to the perfect goal of life, then we have to follow Kṛṣṇa. That is a fact. If you don't follow, that depends on our discretion. Just like Arjuna. He was asked by Kṛṣṇa, \"Now, what you have decided? Are you going to follow Me? Oh, you can do whatever you like. I have told you everything.\" So Kṛṣṇa is telling us everything in the Bhagavad-gītā. Now it is up to us to accept His leadership or not. If we accept His leadership, then we are free from this material bondage, and if we do not accept, then we can do whatever we... Kṛṣṇa does not interfere with our independence. That is a fact.\nThank you very much. Now if there is any question, you can ask. [break]\nYou have any doubt in the supreme nature of Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n I wish to understand.",
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"content": "\n That we are making discussion. That we are making discussion. Yes. Kṛṣṇa is accepted as the Supreme by all stalwart past ācāryas. Just like Śaṅkarācārya, a great stalwart scholar. He also accepts Kṛṣṇa: sa bhagavān svayaṁ kṛṣṇaḥ. Oh, he accepts Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Lord. You will find in his annotation of Bhagavad-gītā. Similarly, Śrī Rāmānujācārya, he accepts. And now Lord Caitanya, He also preached this Kṛṣṇa philosophy, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And formerly also, great leaders like Vyāsadeva, Nārada, and even at the present moment all big leaders of India... I am speaking especially of India because this Bhagavad-gītā was first seen in India, in the Indian plain.\nOf course, it is not meant for India; it is meant for everyone. Just like the sun rises in the east first, then comes to the west, but that does not mean east has the monopoly of the sun and not the west. Similarly, the sun of Bhagavad-gītā might have arisen in the land of India, but that does not mean that it is the monopoly of India. It is meant for everyone. It is meant for everyone. So it is an accepted authority. So, mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc Madhya 17.186].\n[Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu continued, ”’Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated, self-realized person. Consequently, as the śāstras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahājanas advocate.’]\nSo we have to follow great personalities. Yes.",
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"content": "\n If Kṛṣṇa is the supreme consciousness, then why isn't anything we do or anyone we follow following or doing Kṛṣṇa consciousness?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa is supreme consciousness. That's all right. But you are not supreme consciousness. You have to follow the supreme consciousness.",
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"content": "\n But if He is supreme consciousness, everything I do is following that one supreme consciousness. There can be nothing else that exists.",
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"content": "\n No. No. No. We are not following the supreme consciousness. Then we'll have been on the same level. Just like your consciousness and my consciousness is different because we do not follow the supreme consciousness. Therefore your...",
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"content": "\n The supreme consciousness is all, isn't it?",
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"content": "\n Is all, all consciousness.",
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"content": "\n Consciousness is the same, as in the Supreme, so also in you, so also in me. The quality of the consciousness is the same. But your consciousness and my consciousness is different.",
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"content": "\n But that's all part of the same supreme consciousness.",
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"content": "\n Qualitatively, the one, but at the present moment, because we are materially bound up, therefore we find so many different consciousness. Do you think that your consciousness and my consciousness is the same?",
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"content": "\n How? Do you agree with me? Do I agree with you?",
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"content": "\n Yes. We do not agree. Therefore your consciousness, different; my consciousness, different. When we agree, then it is the same. When we come to the point of agreement, then it is the same.",
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"content": "\n It's the same, even we disagree.",
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"content": "\n It's the same, even we disagree...",
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"content": "\n That's what I'm trying to understand. The supreme consciousness is all consciousness, even disagreement.",
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"content": "\n Supreme consciousness... Just like you try to understand your consciousness. Are you conscious? You agree?",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī?",
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"content": "\n It is not working, I think.\n[break]\n...ajñāna-timirāndhasya\njñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur-unmīlitaṁ yena\ntasmai śrī-gurave namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who with the torchlight of knowledge has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance.]\nśrī-caitanya mano-'bhīṣṭaṁ\nsthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale\nsvayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ\ndadāti sva-padāntikam\n[When will Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet?]\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nIt is not properly working.",
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"content": "\n We have been discussing Prahlāda Mahārāja's instruction to his class fellows. Fortunately, we have got some little boys. So it is very interesting. Prahlāda Mahārāja was five-years-old boy, and he was preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness. All the boys, and Prahlāda Mahārāja himself, belonged to the atheist class, most materialist.\nThey did not know anything beyond sense enjoyment. That's all. All the fathers of the students, classfellow of Prahlāda Mahārāja, they belonged to the atheist family. In Sanskrit language the atheist is called asura, asiriyan[?]. And the persons who are God conscious, they are suras or āryans. So they belonged to the family of asirian[?], or asuras.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja is fortunately, although he is born of a father completely atheist, by the grace of Kṛṣṇa and by the grace of his mother, he became a great devotee. From very childhood, from his birth, he was a devotee. Why he became such devotee, that is explained in later chapters. We shall come to that.\nSo he was agitating in the school amongst his class fellows to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. So he's preaching. Just in the tiffin hour, in the recess hour, as soon as the teacher's gone, he took the opportunity and stood up on the bench and began to agitate his friends, \"My dear friends,\" kaumāra ācaret prājñā [SB 7.6.1],\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: One who is sufficiently intelligent should use the human form of body from the very beginning of life—in other words, from the tender age of childhood—to practice the activities of devotional service, giving up all other engagements. The human body is most rarely achieved, and although temporary like other bodies, it is meaningful because in human life one can perform devotional service. Even a slight amount of sincere devotional service can give one complete perfection.]\n\"Now we should become Kṛṣṇa conscious from this childhood. Don't wait for your old age.\" Generally, people think that \"When we shall become old, we shall take care of becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious or God conscious or go to the church or temple. At present, let us play and enjoy life.\"\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja says, \"No.\" Kaumāra ācaret prājñā. Prājñā means intelligent. Intelligent means who does not waste time. Time is very valuable. You are American people. You know very well how to utilize time. But time is very valuable is also accepted in Vedic civilization.\nThere is a very nice verse in Cāṇakya śloka. You just see how much time was considered as valuable. By this verse, you will know. Cāṇakya Paṇḍita says... Cāṇakya Paṇḍita was a great politician. He was sometimes prime minister of the emperor of India. So he says, āyuṣaḥ kṣaṇa eko 'pi na labhya svarṇa-koṭibhiḥ [Cāṇakya-śloka 34].\n[Even one moment of life spent cannot be regained for millions of gold coins. Therefore, what greater loss is there than time spent uselessly?]\nHe says that \"A moment's time of your duration of life...\" Moment. Not to speak of hours and days, but moment. He was considering moment to moment.\nJust like today, 15th March, 1968, now it is half past seven or past seven, thirty-five. Now this 1968, 7:35, gone. As soon as it is 7:36, you cannot bring back that 1968, 15th March, evening, 7:35, again, even if you pay millions of dollars, \"Please come back again.\" No. Finished. So Cāṇakya Paṇḍita says that \"Time is so valuable that if you pay millions of golden coins, you cannot get back even a moment.\"\nWhat is lost is lost for good. Na cen nirarthakaṁ nītiḥ: \"If you such valuable time spoil for nothing, without any profit,\" ca na hānis tato 'dhikā [Cāṇakya Paṇḍita],\n[Even one moment of life spent cannot be regained for millions of gold coins. Therefore, what greater loss is there than time spent uselessly?]\n\"just imagine how much you are losing, how greatly you are loser.\" The thing which you cannot get back by paying millions of dollars, if that is lost for nothing, how much you are losing, just imagine.\nSo the same thing: Prahlāda Mahārāja says that dharmān bhāgavatan, to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, or God conscious, is so important that we should not lose even a moment's time. Immediately we shall begin. Why? Durlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma. Mānuṣaṁ janma [SB 7.6.1].\nHe says that this human form of body is very rare. It is obtained after many, many births. So modern civilization, they do not understand what is the value of this human form of life. They think that this body is meant for sense enjoyment like cats and dogs. The cats and dogs, they are also enjoying life in four principles: eating, sleeping, defending and mating.\nSo human form of life is not meant for spoiling like cats and dogs. Human form of life is meant for something else. And that \"something else\" is Kṛṣṇa conscious, or God consciousness, because without human form of life, no other body can understand what is God, what is this world, what I am, wherefrom I have come, where I have to go. These things are meant for human life.\nSo he says that \"From very childhood...\" Actually this is essential. From childhood, in the schools, in the colleges, this bhāgavata-dharma, or the occupation of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, should be introduced. This is necessary, but they do not understand. They think that this spot life is all, and this body is all, and there is no other life. Next life, they do not believe it. This is all due to ignorance. Life is eternity, and this spot life is preparation for the next life.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja says durlabhaṁ. Durlabhaṁ means very rarely obtained. Our modern anthropologists, they also admit it, that after many evolution of different species of life, this human form of life is obtained. But they do not know what it is meant for. That is answered here, Prahlāda Mahārāja. We have to pass through many millions of species of life.\nThere are 900,000 species of life in the water. Eleven hundred thousand species of life... Jalajā nava-lakṣāni sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati [Padma Purāṇa].\n[There are 900,000 species living in the water. There are 2,000,000 nonmoving living entities [sthāvara] such as trees and plants. There are 1,100,000 species of insects and reptiles, and 1,000,000 species of birds. As far as quadrupeds are concerned, there are 3,000,000 varieties, and there are 400,000 human species.]\nSthāvarā means plants and trees. They are 2,000,000's species of life. And jalajā nava-lakṣāni sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati, kṛmayo rudra-saṅkhyakāḥ.\nAnd worms, they are 1,100,000 species of life. Kṛmayo rudra-saṅkhyakāḥ. Pakṣiṇāṁ daśa-lakṣaṇam. And birds, they are 1,000,000 species of life. And then four-legged beasts, they are 3,000,000 species of life. And human form of life, beginning from the most uncivilized to the civilized form of life, they are only 400,000 species of life.\nSo in consideration of all the total species of life, human form of life is very small. Only 400... Out of 8,400,000's of species of life, human form of life is only 400,000. Out of that, there are many uncivilized. So the Āryan family, they are considered as advanced, civilized, so, with full developed consciousness, and therefore this is the opportunity for understanding the value of life. So,\nkaumāra ācaret prājño\ndharmān bhāgavatān iha\ndurlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma\ntad apy adhruvam [arthadam]\n[SB 7.6.1]\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: One who is sufficiently intelligent should use the human form of body from the very beginning of life—in other words, from the tender age of childhood—to practice the activities of devotional service, giving up all other engagements. The human body is most rarely achieved, and although temporary like other bodies, it is meaningful because in human life one can perform devotional service. Even a slight amount of sincere devotional service can give one complete perfection.]\nAdhruvam arthadam. He says that \"This life is very valuable, very rare, but it is also temporary.\" Because it is very rarely obtained, it is not permanent. It is also temporary like cats and dogs. They have got their temporary body. But the one significance of this body is arthadam. Arthadam means you can derive the greatest value in this life. Arthadam. Artha means money, and paramartha means spiritual consciousness. That is also artha.\nSo one should be engaged for earning money, because the body requires material necessities. That's all right. But his real attention should be how to achieve spiritual consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is arthadam. That is the value of life.\nyathā hi puruṣasyeha\nviṣṇoḥ pādopasarpaṇam\nyad eṣa sarva-bhūtānām\npriya ātmeśvaraḥ suhṛt\n[SB 7.6.2]\n[The human form of life affords one a chance to return home, back to Godhead. Therefore every living entity, especially in the human form of life, must engage in devotional service to the lotus feet of Lord Viṣṇu. This devotional service is natural because Lord Viṣṇu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the most beloved, the master of the soul, and the well-wisher of all other living beings.]\nAnd what is that spiritual consciousness? Puruṣasyeha viṣṇoḥ pādopasarpaṇam. Viṣṇu. Viṣṇu means the Supreme Lord. The Supreme Lord is called Viṣṇu, all-pervading, the word used here, viṣṇoḥ. Viṣṇu means who is all-pervading, at the same time He's a person. The Supreme Personality of Godhead is person; at the same time, He is all-pervading.\nHow it is? In our material conception we cannot imagine, but there is a proof in your presence. Just like the sun. Sun is localized. You can see every day. Sun globe is located at a certain place in the outer space, but the sunshine is all-pervading. Sun is present everywhere by his all-pervasive sunshine.\nSimilarly, Viṣṇu, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He is in His abode, which is called Viṣṇuloka, or the kingdom of God, or Kṛṣṇaloka, whatever you may understand. He has got His particular abode. But at the same time, by His different energies, He is all-pervading.\nThere is another example of this all-pervasiveness of God in the Viṣṇu Purāṇa, that \"Just like fire is situated in one place, but its light and heat is distributed long, long distant, similarly, whatever we see within this cosmic manifestation, that is diffusion of the energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\" So Prahlāda Mahārāja points out that,\nyathā hi puruṣasyeha\nviṣṇoḥ pādopasarpaṇam\nyad eṣa sarva-bhūtānām\npriya ātmeśvaraḥ suhṛt\n[SB 7.6.2]\n[The human form of life affords one a chance to return home, back to Godhead. Therefore every living entity, especially in the human form of life, must engage in devotional service to the lotus feet of Lord Viṣṇu. This devotional service is natural because Lord Viṣṇu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the most beloved, the master of the soul, and the well-wisher of all other living beings.]\nOne should be Kṛṣṇa conscious, or God conscious, why? Because He is the master of your self and the most intimate friend, suhṛt. Yathā ātmeśvara. Ātmeśvara means we are individual self and He is the original Superself. Just like we, for the present, we like this body, we love this body, why? Because the body is the production of the soul.\nWithout soul, there is no body. Just like a child born. If the soul is there, the child will grow. If the child is born dead, however chemically you can keep up that body, it will never grow. So that is the significance of the presence of the soul. So as the body grows on account of presence of the soul, similarly, the soul, individual soul, is the part and parcel of the Supreme Lord.\nIt is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā that mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ [Bg 15.7]:\n[The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.]\n\"All these living entities, they are My part and parcel.\" We are part and parcel of God. You can study. You can understand what is the nature of God by studying yourself, because you are sample God. You are miniature, small God. Just like particle of gold is also a small particle—it is also gold—similarly, because we are part and parcel of God, therefore there all the ingredients, all the [break] [end]",
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"content": "\n\nparābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto\nyāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam\nyāvat kriyās tāvad idaṁ mano vai\nkarmātmakaṁ yena śarīra-bandhaḥ\n[SB 5.5.5]",
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The big, big oil tankers are now standing without any work, and they're feeling scarcity.\nActually, we haven't got to work for our livelihood. There are 8,400,000 species of living entities. Out of that, only 400,000 species of life are human form. Other 8,000,000's, they are bird, beast, trees, insect, aquatics, so many varieties. So they have no economic problem. The bird, beast, aquatic, they have no economic problem. They have sufficient... Our material necessities are to eat, to sleep, to have sex life and to have protection from danger. These are our problems.\nSo living entities less intelligent than the human being, they have no problem of this field of activities. They are eating. They have no problem for eating. They have no problem for sleeping. They have no problem for sex life. And neither they have problem for any defense. That is already there.\nA bird, early in the morning, chirps very nicely. He has no problem. He will go anywhere and get some fruits and eat, and sleeping accommodation is there on top of the tree. And the sex: the male bird, the female bird, they take birth simultaneously. And defense..., they know how to defend themselves. They are in danger on the ground; they live on the top of the tree. So they know how to defend, how to enjoy sex life, how to eat, how to sleep. So there is no problem.\nNow why human society has created this problem? If 8,000,000 living entities can have no problem, why the 4,000,000 [sic] group, the human society, they will have problem? That is māyā. Actually, there is no problem. They have created problem. By their advanced intelligence they have created problem. Why? Because the advanced intelligence is not being properly used. They are being used for these lower-grade activities: eating, sleeping, mating and defending. The human being, being advanced in consciousness, they should have used the advanced intelligence for self-realization. But that, they are... There is no such education in the universities.\nThat... I raised this question in the Massachusetts Technical Institution when I was asked to speak, that \"Where is your technical department where a man after death can be alive again, injecting some...?\" Just like motor stops, so a mechanical technologist go and makes the, I mean to say, machine correctly. Then it again runs. That I understand that there is technology. But when a man stops running, where is the technology to give him again the energy to go on?\nBecause it is Massachusetts Institute of Technology, this technology must be there. So I asked the university, \"Where is your that department?\" The rascal could not answer. [laughter] Yes. And they appreciated, the students. Later on, they surrounded me and they appreciated: \"Actually, where is that technology in the university?\" That is called parābhava.\nThis verse is there: parābhavas tāvad abodha-jātaḥ. These rascal, they are born fools and rascals, and they are working in rascaldom. Therefore, whatever they are doing, it is defeat. Therefore this crisis has come. Parābhavas tāvad abodha-jātaḥ. They are rascals and fools, and there is no proper education to understand \"What I am? What is my necessity?\"\nThat education is wanting. These rascals are accepting this body, \"I am this body.\" And they are working for the bodily necessities of life. But that is being done by the lower animals, working day and night hard for the necessities of the body. That verse is here: parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam.\nThese rascals do not inquire also that \"I am working so hard for this body, but this body cannot be protected. And when the body is dead, nobody can help.\" They are technologist. When the motor stops, they can again run on by supplying something which is wanting. Why not this technology?\nThat means they do not know what is the need of the body. When the body dies, they cry simply like child, \"My father has gone.\" Why your father has gone? It is lying there. Where he has gone? It is lying on the floor or on the bed. \"No, my father has gone.\" He has not seen his father; he has seen the body. And now he says, \"My father has gone.\" Body..., you saw the father's body. The body is there. Why you are crying, \"My father has gone\"? He's lying there.\nThis is called defeat. What you are seeing, his father or his son, that is lying there, but he does not know who is his father, who is his son. This is called defeat. Abodha-jātaḥ. He remains the same fool and rascal as he was born. A born rascal. Otherwise, why children are sent to school? To become intelligent, to become men of knowledge, wise men. But where is the wisdom? Your technology is not there.\nThe whole world is working under this wrong impression, that \"I am this body.\" Yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke [SB 10.84.13]. That is the defeat. It is practical. And they are simply meeting crisis after crisis, because they're rascals and fools. This is a civilization of rascal and fools. Parābhavas tāvad abodha-jātaḥ. Why rascal and fools? Yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam. There is no inquiry, \"What I am? Why I am becoming befooled? I am trying so much. Why the problems are still there, or the problems are increasing?\" These questions are not there. Simply blindly, like asses and cows, working and going to the slaughterhouse, cannot protest, cannot protect. Animal civilization.\nSo this animal civilization will continue so long one does not inquire what he is. That is real intelligence, \"What I am? Am I this body? If I am not this body, then I am not American, I am not Indian, I am not black, I am not white, I am not brāhmaṇa, I am not śūdra.\" So many things become \"I am not.\" And when you understand what you are, if you work on that basis, then there is no crisis. You are working on the wrong basis of understanding, identifying with this body yourself. You are not this body.\nTherefore unless one comes to the standard of inquiring, \"What I am? Why I am forced to suffer? I do not like to suffer. I do not like to die. Why there is death? I do not like to become old man. Why I become old man? I do not want any disease. Why there is disease?\" they are not making solution of these problems. They are after these temporary problems. Therefore they are working hard. Working hard means simply contaminating another kind of infection, and therefore the śarīra-bandha. Śarīra-bandha, different types of bodies I am transmigrating from one body to another. My problems remains the same: birth, death, old age and disease. And therefore whatever I am doing, it is all defeat. Parābhava.\nSo don't work for being defeated by the laws of material nature. Try to conquer over the laws of material nature. That we can do simply by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Mama māyā duratyayā. What is that verse?\ndaivī hy eṣā guṇamayī\nmama māyā duratyayā\nmām eva ye prapadyante\nmāyām etāṁ taranti te\n[Bg. 7.14]\nWhere is that? Bhagavad-gītā? Take Bhagavad-gītā. Find out this verse, Seventh Chapter. Mama māyā duratyayā.\nSo read books profusely and learn the problems of life and the solution of life. Everything is there. Read it.",
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"content": "\n \"This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.\"",
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"content": "\n Purport.",
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"content": "\n \"The Supreme Personality of Godhead has innumerable energies, and all these energies are divine. Although the living entities are part of His energies and are therefore divine, due to contact with material energy, their original superior power is covered.\"",
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"content": "\n We have to work under some energy. This is our position. We are also energy. Just like two energy, the negative and positive, works on electricity, similarly... There are varieties of energies. We are also one of the energy of God. So our position is marginal energy. We can work under spiritual energy, we can work under material energy. We have to take shelter of another energy.\nTherefore our position is marginal. We can take shelter of the material energy or the spiritual energy, as we like. If we take the shelter of material energy, then we become entangled. Therefore it is called daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14]. Without knowledge, without identification, if we take the shelter of material energy, then we become in darkness. Tṛtīya karma-saṅga anya śaktir iṣyate. This third energy, material, I mean to say, human being, or living entity...\nTherefore at the present moment... There are different atmosphere. Just like here, in this house, in this temple, the spiritual energy is acting. Outside this house the material energy's acting. What is the difference between this house and the next house? Here the material energy is not working; the spiritual energy is working.\nThe other house, the same pattern—there is no difference between this house and that house—the only difference is the other house, they are interested in material energy, and here, in this house, the inhabitants are interested in spiritual energy. So that is explained here, that if we work under material energy, then there will be problems of life. And if we work under spiritual energy, there will be no... All problems will be solved. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nWhat is the purport? Go on.",
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"content": "\n \"Being thus covered by material energy, one cannot possibly overcome its influence.\"",
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"content": "\n \"As previously stated, both the material and spiritual natures, being emanations from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, are eternal. The living entities belong to the eternal, superior nature of the Lord. But due to contamination by the inferior nature, matter, their illusion is also eternal.\"",
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"content": "\n Just like a citizen is supposed to remain free, but sometimes is put into the jail because he has worked under different criminal energy. So therefore he is put into the jail. But when he becomes perfectly civil, so there is no jail for him; he is free to move. So we have preferred to act under material energy; therefore we are suffering, there are problems. And if we prefer to act under spiritual energy, then we'll be happy. This is the difference.\nSo what is difference between material energy and spiritual energy? Material energy means one works for his own sense gratification, and spiritual energy means one works for sense gratification of Kṛṣṇa. That's all. There must be some sense gratification, working. But when we work for our personal sense gratification, that is called māyā. He cannot be personally be satisfied without Kṛṣṇa.\nJust like in this body, different parts of the body, they cannot enjoy independently. If you get nice cake, you have to put it to the stomach; then you'll get the energy. And if you want... This finger caught the cake and want to utilize themself, that is not possible. It must give it here. And then the energy will be distributed. This is the difference. The materialistic person, they are simply taking things for enjoying themselves. That is māyā. They cannot enjoy themselves. But if you take through Kṛṣṇa, then it is spiritual life. That is the difference between material and spiritual.\nātmendriya-prīti-vāñchā—tāre bali 'kāma'\nkṛṣṇendriya-prīti-icchā dhare 'prema' nāma\n[Cc. Ādi 4.165]\nWhen you try to satisfy your own senses, that is lust. And when you satisfy..., when you try to satisfy the senses of Kṛṣṇa, or God, that is called love. Here in this material world so-called love is personal sense gratification. A girl loves a boy, she has got the intention for personal sense gratification. Or the boy loves the girl, he has also the same, personal sense gratification. But the gopīs' love for Kṛṣṇa is not for personal sense gratification, but for Kṛṣṇa's sense gratification. That is the difference between gopī's love and people's lust.\nSo love cannot be possible within this material world because everyone has got the intention to satisfy his senses. Therefore love is not possible in the material world. Love is possible only in the spiritual atmosphere. When we know how to love Kṛṣṇa, or God, then our life is... Yenātmā suprasīdati. By that love you'll be fully satisfied. Ahaituky apratihatā yenātmā suprasīdati. Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6]. So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to train people how to satisfy the senses of Kṛṣṇa. Then all problems will be solved.\nThank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances] [end]",
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"content": "\n This movement is especially meant to enable a human being to reach the real goal of life.",
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"content": "\n Is the real goal of life to know God?",
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"content": "\n Yes. To go back home, back to Godhead. That is the real goal of life. The water that comes from the sea forms clouds, the clouds fall down as rain, and the actual goal is to flow down the river and again enter the sea. So, we have come from God, and now we are embarrassed by material life. Therefore, our aim should be to get out of this embarrassing situation and go back home, back to Godhead. This is the real goal of life.\nmām upetya punar janma\n \nduḥkhālayam aśāśvatam\nnāpnuvanti mahātmānaḥ\n \nsaṁsiddhiṁ paramāṁ gatāḥ\nThis is the version of Bhagavad-gītā [8.15]. Kṛṣṇa says, “If anyone comes to Me, he does not come back again.” Where? “To this place – duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam.” This place is the abode of miseries. Everyone knows it, but they have been befooled by so-called leaders. Material life is miserable life. Kṛṣṇa says, God says, that this place is duḥkhālayam – it is a place of miseries. And it is also aśāśvatam, temporary. You cannot make a compromise: “All right, let it be miserable. I shall remain here as an American or Indian.” No. That also you cannot do. You cannot remain an American. You may think that, having been born in America, you are very happy. But you cannot remain an American for long. You will have to be kicked out of that place. And your next life you do not know! Therefore, it is duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam – miserable and temporary. That is our philosophy.",
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"content": "\n But when you have some knowledge of God, then life is not so miserable?",
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"content": "\n No! Some knowledge will not do. You must have perfect knowledge. Janma karma ca me divyam evaṁ yo vetti tattvataḥ. Tattvataḥ means “perfectly.” Perfect knowledge is being taught in the Bhagavad-gītā. So, we are giving everyone in human society a chance to learn the Bhagavad-gītā as it is and make his life perfect. That is the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. What does your science say about the transmigration of the soul?",
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"content": "\n I think that science cannot deny or affirm it. Science does not know it.",
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"content": "\n Therefore I say that your science is imperfect.",
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"content": "\n Science may, though, say something. It is said in science that energy is never destroyed; it is changed.",
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"content": "\n That’s all right. But how is the energy working in the future – that science does not know. How is the energy diverted? How, by different manipulations, is the energy working differently? For instance, electrical energy. By different handling it is operating the heater and it is operating the refrigerator. They are just the opposite, but the electrical energy is the same. Similarly, this energy – living energy – how is it being directed? Which way is it going? How is it fructifying in the next life? That they do not know. But in the Bhagavad-gītā it is very simply stated, vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya: You are covered by a shirt and coat. When this shirt and coat is unusable, you change it. Similarly, this body is just like a shirt and coat. When it is no longer workable, we have to change it.",
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"content": "\n What is the “we” that has to change? What is constant?",
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"content": "\n That is the soul.",
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"content": "\n From one life to the next?",
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"content": "\n That is the soul – I. What “you” is speaking? What “I” is speaking? Identity: ātmā, or soul.",
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"content": "\n My soul is different from your soul?",
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"content": "\n Yes. You are an individual soul, I am an individual soul.",
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"content": "\n You have removed yourself from karmic influences. If I were to remove myself from karmic influences, would our souls be the same or different?",
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"content": "\n The soul is of the same quality in all. You are under a certain conception of life at the present moment, and these countrymen of yours [gestures to the devotees present] were under a certain conception of life, but by training they have taken to another conception of life. So the ultimate training is how to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is the perfection.",
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"content": "\n If two people are Kṛṣṇa conscious, is their soul the same?",
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"content": "\n The soul is always the same.",
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"content": "\n In each person? In each person is it the same?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n [pointing to two devotees] If these two are Kṛṣṇa conscious, are their souls the same?",
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"content": "\n The soul is the same but always individual, even if one is not Kṛṣṇa conscious. For instance, you are a human being, and I am a human being. Even if I am not a Christian, even if you are not a Hindu, still we are human beings. Similarly, the soul may not be Kṛṣṇa conscious, or he may be Kṛṣṇa conscious – it doesn’t matter. But the soul is the soul.",
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"content": "\n Can you tell me more about this?",
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"content": "\n Soul – as pure spirit, all souls are equal. Even in an animal. Therefore it is said, paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ: those who are actually learned do not see the outward covering, either in a human being or in an animal.",
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"content": "\n If I may ask another question on this?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n I have considered the soul somewhat as part of God. At times I think I feel God. I’m here, and you may say God is here. So if the soul is inside me, then should I be able to feel God inside me? Not all of God, I mean, but a …",
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"content": "\n Part of God.",
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"content": "\n But I don’t feel God in me, but God may be here, separate – separate from me. But should I be able to feel God inside me, since my soul is part of God?",
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"content": "\n Yes. God is inside also. God is everywhere. God is inside and outside also. This is to be known.",
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"content": "\n How do you feel God inside you?",
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"content": "\n Not in the beginning, but you have to know from the śāstras [scriptures], by the Vedic information. For example, in the Bhagavad-gītā [18.61] it is said, īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe ’rjuna tiṣṭhati: God is there in everyone’s heart. Paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham: God is also within every atom. So this is the first information. And then, by the yogic process, you have to realize it.",
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"content": "\n Yogic process?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Is chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa such a yogic process?",
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"content": "\n Yes, it is also a yogic process.",
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"content": "\n What kind of yogic process must I do to find out – to feel this information – to feel the soul inside?",
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"content": "\n Yes, there are many different yogic processes, but for this age this process is very nice.",
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"content": "\n Chanting.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Through this I can feel not only God outside but God inside?",
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"content": "\n You’ll understand everything of God – how God is inside, how God is outside, how God is working. Everything will be revealed. By this attitude of service, God will reveal Himself. You cannot understand God by your endeavour. Only if God reveals Himself. For instance, when the sun is out of your sight at night, you cannot see it by your torchlight, or any light. But in the morning you can see the sun automatically, without any torchlight. Similarly, you have to create a situation – you have to put yourself in a situation – in which God will be revealed. It is not that by some method you can order God, “Come. I will see You.” No, God is not your order-carrier.",
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"content": "\n You must please God for Him to reveal Himself. Is that correct?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n How do we know when we are pleasing God?",
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"content": "\n When we see Him. Then you will understand, just as when you eat you do not require to ask anyone whether you are feeling strength or your hunger is satisfied. If you eat, you understand that you are feeling energy. You don’t need to inquire from anyone. Similarly, if you actually serve God, then you will understand, “God is dictating to me. God is there. I am seeing God.”",
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"content": "\n Or God’s representative.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n It comes easier.",
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"content": "\n You have to go through God’s representative. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ: If you please God’s representative, then automatically God becomes pleased, and thus you can directly see Him.",
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"content": "\n How can we please God’s representative?",
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"content": "\n You have to carry out his orders, that’s all. God’s representative is the guru. He asks you to do this, to do that – if you do that, that is pleasing. Yasyāprasādān na gatiḥ kuto ’pi: If you displease the spiritual master, then you are nowhere. Therefore we worship the guru. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair uktas tathā bhāvyata eva sadbhiḥ: the guru should be accepted as God. That is the injunction of all śāstra.",
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"content": "\n The guru should be accepted as a representative of God?",
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"content": "\n Yes, the guru is God’s representative. The guru is the external manifestation of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n But different from the incarnations of Kṛṣṇa that come?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n In what way is the external manifestation of the guru different from the external manifestation of, let us say, Kṛṣṇa or Caitanya when They come to earth?",
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"content": "\n The guru is the representative of Kṛṣṇa. So there are symptoms of who is a guru. The general symptoms are described in the Vedas.\ntad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet\n \nsamit-pāṇiḥ śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham\nA guru must come in a disciplic succession, and he must have heard thoroughly about the Vedas from his spiritual master. Generally a guru’s symptom is that he is a perfect devotee, that’s all. And he serves Kṛṣṇa by preaching His message.",
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"content": "\n Lord Caitanya – He was a different type of guru than you are?",
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"content": "\n No, no. Gurus cannot be of different types. All gurus are of one type.",
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"content": "\n But He was – was He also an incarnation at the same time?",
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"content": "\n Yes, He is Kṛṣṇa Himself, but He is representing the guru.",
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"content": "\n I see.",
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"content": "\n Because Kṛṣṇa was God, He demanded, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja: “Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me.” [Gītā 18.66] But people misunderstood Him. Therefore Kṛṣṇa again came as a guru and taught people how to surrender to Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Doesn’t Kṛṣṇa say in the Bhagavad-gītā, “I am the spiritual master”?",
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"content": "\n Yes, He is the original spiritual master because He was accepted as spiritual master by Arjuna. So what is the difficulty? Arjuna told the Lord, śiṣyas te ’haṁ śādhi māṁ tvāṁ prapannam: “I am Your disciple, and a soul surrendered unto You. Please instruct me.” So unless Kṛṣṇa is a spiritual master, how does Arjuna become His disciple? Kṛṣṇa is the original guru. Tene brahma hṛdā ya ādi-kavaye: “It is He only who first imparted Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmā, the first created being.” Therefore He is the original guru.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Yes. He is the original guru. Then His disciple Brahmā is a guru, then Brahmā’s disciple Nārada is a guru, then Nārada’s disciple Vyāsa is a guru – in this way there is a guru-paramparā, a disciplic succession of gurus. Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam: the transcendental knowledge is received through the disciplic succession.",
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"content": "\n So a guru receives his knowledge through the disciplic succession, not directly from Kṛṣṇa? Do you receive some knowledge directly from Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Kṛṣṇa’s direct instruction is there: Bhagavad-gītā.",
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"content": "\n I see, but … ",
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"content": "\n But you have to learn it through the disciplic succession; otherwise you will misunderstand it.",
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"content": "\n But presently you do not receive information directly from Kṛṣṇa? It comes through the disciplic succession from the books?",
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"content": "\n There is no difference. Suppose I say that this is a pencil. If you say to him, “This is a pencil,” and if he says to another man, “This is a pencil,” then what is the difference between his instruction and my instruction?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa’s mercy allows you to know this now?",
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"content": "\n You can take Kṛṣṇa’s mercy also, provided it is delivered as it is. Just as we are teaching the Bhagavad-gītā. In the Bhagavad-gītā [18.66] Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja: “Just give up all other forms of religion and simply surrender unto Me.” Now, we are saying that you should give up everything and surrender to Kṛṣṇa. Therefore, there is no difference between Kṛṣṇa’s instruction and our instruction. There is no deviation. So if you receive knowledge in that perfect way, that is as good as receiving instruction directly from Kṛṣṇa. But we don’t change anything.",
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"content": "\n When I pray reverently, faithfully, does Kṛṣṇa hear me?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n From me to Him?",
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"content": "\n Yes, because He is within your heart He is always hearing you – whether you are praying or not praying. When you are doing some nonsense, He is also hearing you. And when you pray, that is very good – welcome.",
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"content": "\n To Kṛṣṇa’s ear, is praying louder than nonsense?",
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"content": "\n No. He is all-perfect. He can hear everything. Even if you don’t speak, even if you simply think, “I shall do it,” then He hears you. Sarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭaḥ: Kṛṣṇa is seated in everyone’s heart.",
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"content": "\n But one should pray – is that so?",
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"content": "\n That is one’s only business – praying.",
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"content": "\n Whose business?",
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"content": "\n Every living entity’s. That is the only business. Eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān. That is the statement of the Vedas.",
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"content": "\n What does that mean?",
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"content": "\n He supplies everything to everyone. He is supplying food to everyone. So He is the Father. So why should you not pray, “Father, give me this”? Just as in the Christian Bible there is the prayer “Father, give us our daily bread.” That is good – they are accepting the Supreme Father. But grown-up children should not ask from the father; rather, they should be prepared to serve the father. That is bhakti, devotion.",
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"content": "\n My questions you solve so nicely. [Everyone laughs with affection.]",
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"content": "\n Thank you very much.",
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"content": "\n So, should I ask you another question now?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. Yes!",
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"content": "\n ...recording?",
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"content": "\n It's good.",
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"content": "\n The first scene is that people passing on with saṅkīrtana movement as we have, as we usually do, very nice procession with mṛdaṅga, karatāla and that bugle, all people, just in the ordinary way. We have to make a nice procession.\nThe second scene is that Kali, the personified Kali... A person should be decorated blackish. A blackish man with royal dress and very ugly features. And his queen, another ugly-featured girl or lady. So they are disturbed. They'll talk within themselves that \"There is saṅkīrtana movement now, and how we shall prosecute our business of this Kali-yuga?\"\nThere will be, in that scene, in some corner somebody is drinking. Two or three persons drinking. The scene will be like that. They are sitting in the central. In one corner somebody taking part in drinking, and another part somebody is illicitly talking of lust and love with woman. In another section there is slaughtering of a cow, and another section gambling. In this way that scene should be adjusted.\nAnd in the middle, the ugly man, black man, and the ugly woman will talk that \"We are now in danger. The saṅkīrtana movement has been started. What to do?\" In this way you have to finish that scene.",
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"content": "\n Now Kali is depicted as a male. As male?",
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"content": "\n As male, yes.",
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"content": "\n Because sometimes I know he's depicted as female.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Male, his feature black, and dressed like a king. Black means... Black means ignorance. And similarly, the scene is also blackish.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n These things should be ascerted. Then, it is mentioned there, exhibit illicit sex, slaughterhouse, intoxication, gambling. Then the third scene is very nice: rāsa dance.",
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"content": "\n Uh... This before this... I'm not going to make this, I don't believe, either Eastern or Western, but I think this can apply for the whole world that in the sense that the names may be Indian names, but I think the exhibition of the assembly of Kali and his consort Sin and the exhibition of illicit sex and slaughterhouse, this can all be..., it can be some Western type prototype.",
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"content": "\n That may be. No, why should you... It may be sometimes misunderstood that Western people are only under the influence of Kali. Because the world is under the influence of Kali. Not that in your country only this intoxication, illicit sex. No. Everywhere it is.",
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"content": "\n I realize that.",
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"content": "\n More or less. More or less.",
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"content": "\n My point... Not only in that scene. My point is that I don't want to make this an Indian play.",
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"content": "\n That you may do. That you may do. I have no objection. But people may not misunderstand that here a scene is depicted simply criticizing the Western way. That is my point. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Now that other person, that other Lord Caitanya... Roy? Who wrote the other Lord Caitanya? That other play?",
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"content": "\n No, nobody.",
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"content": "\n I showed you that other play.",
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"content": "\n Oh, that Dilip Kumar.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That's what I had in mind. I thought it was strictly an Indian type of play.",
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"content": "\n Yes, that was Indian type. Yes, that was Indian type. Or if you like... I have no objection if you present the characters in European style. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu...",
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"content": "\n No, no. They wouldn't be presented in a Western style, but there wouldn't be neither an Eastern nor a Western flavor.",
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"content": "\n That will be very nice. That will be very nice.",
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"content": "\n In other words, it could be anywhere.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n The situation could be... Because it's transcendental. It's not here, it's not there.",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes. No, the Kali is not transcendental. Kali is material.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. The earth, the whole world is affected, so it's not just one section.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Not only earth, this earth; it is whole universe.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n So next scene is rāsa dance. Rāsa dance means Kṛṣṇa and Rādhārāṇī in the center, and the gopīs, they are surrounding. You have seen that surrounding scene they were dancing the other day in the park, hand to hand.",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes.",
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"content": "\n So one Kṛṣṇa and one gopī, they are dancing. That scene be, scene should be... Then the rāsa dance should be stopped, and Kṛṣṇa will talk with the gopīs. Kṛṣṇa will say to the gopīs that \"My dear friends, you have come to Me in this dead of night. It is not very good, because it is the duty of every woman to please her husband.\nSo what your husband will think that you have come in such dead of night? A woman's duty is not to give up her husband, even he is not of good character or if he is unfortunate, if he is old or if he is diseased. Still, husband is worshiped by the wife. So you have come here, it is very sinful. So you... People will decry it. Please go back. Now we have finished.\"\nSo in this way the gopīs will reply that \"You cannot request us to go back, because with great difficulty and with great, I mean to say, ecstatic desire we have come to You, and it is not Your duty to ask us to go back.\" In this way you arrange some talking that Kṛṣṇa is asking them to go back, but they are insisting, \"No, let us continue our rāsa dance.\"\nThen when the rāsa dance is finished, the gopīs will go, then Kṛṣṇa in His halilaki says that \"They are My heart and soul, these gopīs. They are so sincere devotees that they do not care for family encumbrances and all..., any bad name. They come to Me. So how shall I repay them?\"\nHe was thinking, \"How shall I repay their so ecstatic love?\" So He thought that \"I cannot repay them unless and until I take up their situation to understand Me. Because I Myself cannot understand Me, I have to take the position of the gopīs, how they are loving Me.\"\nSo with that consideration He took the form of Lord Caitanya. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is blackish; Lord Caitanya is of the color of the gopīs. The whole life of Lord Caitanya is representation of gopīs' love towards Kṛṣṇa. That should be painted in that picture.\nYou have got ask anything?",
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"content": "\n This is His determination to incarnate as Lord Caitanya.",
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"content": "\n Lord Caitanya, yes.",
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"content": "\n In order to...",
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"content": "\n In order to appreciate Kṛṣṇa in the form of gopī. Just like I have got dealings with you. So you have got your individuality, I have got my individuality, but if I want to study how you are so much obedient and loving to me, then I have to go to your position. It is very natural psychology. Yes. You have to paint in that way.",
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"content": "\n I think that's clear.",
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"content": "\n Huh? That's clear.",
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"content": "\n I think that's clear.",
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"content": "\n Ācchā. Then fourth scene is lunar eclipse. You'll have to arrange a scene that just in the evening there is appearance of the full moon on the side of the Ganges, and people are taking bath half in the water and half above the water, and they're all chanting, this same scene, \"Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa,\" with mṛdaṅga and... Yes.\nSo somebody comes, Advaita. Advaita comes in the scene to take bath in the Ganges and begins to dance. \"Oh, my mission is now fulfilled! My mission is now fulfilled!\" He'll talk. He was very sorry to see the condition of the people that \"Everyone is engaged simply for material sense gratification.\nNobody is engaged in love of Godhead.\" So he wanted to rectify their behavior, but he thought that \"I am ordinary man. What can I do? If Kṛṣṇa Himself comes, then He can do it.\" Therefore he worshiped Kṛṣṇa, and he simply offered Ganges water and tulasī leaf.\nIn this way Kṛṣṇa has taken His incarnation as Lord Caitanya. So he has understood now at this moment Lord Caitanya is now taken His appearance. So he was dancing, \"Now my mission is fulfilled. Now my mission is fulfilled.\"",
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"content": "\n That's Advaita.",
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"content": "\n Advaita. Lunar eclipse, everyone taking bath in the Ganges and chanting.",
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"content": "\n And Advaita is introduced there, and he's very joyful on this occasion because he had requested that this incarnation...",
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"content": "\n Yes. He prayed. He prayed to Kṛṣṇa that \"You come.\"",
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"content": "\n And he's aware at this time that this is the occurrence of Lord Caitanya's incarnation.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. So this scene should be entered like that.",
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"content": "\n Now I noticed in the list of characters we have up here, Rādhārāṇī. She doesn't appear at this point.",
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"content": "\n No. Rādhārāṇī will be in the rāsa dance?",
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"content": "\n Oh. In the rāsa dance.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n That's the...",
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"content": "\n Rādhārāṇī and Kṛṣṇa in the center.",
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"content": "\nThat is...",
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"content": "\nAnd Kṛṣṇa has expanded Himself for other gopīs, hand to hand.",
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"content": "\n That's the third scene, the rāsa dance. So Rādhārāṇī appears in that?",
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"content": "\n That's the third scene, yes. There is the appearance, appearance of Rādhārāṇī.",
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"content": "\n The damsels of Vṛndāvana appear also in the...",
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"content": "\n No, the dance was in Vṛndāvana. Yes. That dance was in Vṛndāvana.",
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"content": "\n The damsels of Vṛndāvana also appear in the third scene.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Third scene. Yes. Rāsa dance of Lord Kṛṣṇa and His associates. Lord Kṛṣṇa's determination.",
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"content": "\n All right. Now we have the fourth scene. Does Advaita speak to anyone in the fourth scene, or is that...?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Is there anyone there? Any of these characters there? I'm trying to introduce the characters.",
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"content": "\n Yes, certainly.",
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"content": "\n The characters should be introduced in the first act.",
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"content": "\n Yes. There should be...",
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"content": "\n A few of them. Not all of them, but a few of them should be...",
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"content": "\n Śrīnivāsa. Śrīnivāsa and Haridāsa. Haridāsa character is there?",
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"content": "\n Yes, I have this.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Haridāsa should be a old man.",
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"content": "\n So Advaita is old too, isn't he?",
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"content": "\n Advaita is old.",
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"content": "\n And Nivas.",
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"content": "\n He is not so old. He is middle-aged man.",
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"content": "\n Could you give me a brief rundown on their...? Are they devotee, they're devotees...",
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"content": "\n Just like the picture is, Advaita [sic], say, his age is about forty years, and Haridāsa and Advaita, he was about more than fifty years old at that time when Caitanya Mahāprabhu was born. They were quite old men, His father's age.",
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"content": "\n They're all devotees.",
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"content": "\n They're all devotees. When Caitanya Mahāprabhu was propagating His saṅkīrtana movement, the brāhmaṇas, the orthodox brāhmaṇas, they took objection. So \"This is not according to Hindu śāstra. This is something new.\" But only these two gentlemen, they... Advaita happened to be the head of the brāhmaṇa community. So his support...\nAnd he was a well-to-do man, he was rich man, influential man. His support made Caitanya's movement successful in Nabadwip. He was very influential man. And similarly, Śrīnivāsa, he was also, he belonged to the brāhmaṇa community. And Advaita gave shelter to Haridāsa. Haridāsa was a Muhammadan. So he was punished by the Muhammadan magistrate and he took shelter at the house of Advaita. He was maintaining him.",
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"content": "\n Haridāsa Ṭhākura.",
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"content": "\nYou can make them appear in the scene. They were talking between Haridāsa and Śrīnivāsa and Advaita, and all of them chanting and dancing: \"Now our mission is fulfilled.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes, I see. All right. Now, the fifth scene...",
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"content": "\n Fifth scene, Lord Caitanya's mother, Śacīdevī, is sitting underneath a tree, a nīm tree. It is called nīm tree. And the little child on her lap, and the visitors, so many visitors are coming, and they are offering some presentation. Somebody is offering gold necklace, somebody offering some bangles, some cloth, some money, and His father, he..., what is called?\nJagannātha Miśra. Jagannātha Miśra is there? Yes. Jagannātha Miśra, His father. He was, whatever money and clothes and gold and silver they were coming, he was also distributing to poor men, some dancers. In India there is a system... What do you call? The eunuchs? Those who are neither male or female. What do you call? What is their name?",
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"content": "\n A combination of both, male and female?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nA hermaphrodite. A hermaphrodite.",
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"content": "\n Eunuchs, what is that eunuch?",
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"content": "\n A eunuch is...",
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"content": "\n Feminine.",
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"content": "\n Impotent, an impotent... Someone who's been castrated.",
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"content": "\n Oh, that is called eunuch. By nature, neither man, neither woman.",
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"content": "\n Oh, this is also called asexual, that is to say no sex.",
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"content": "\n No sex.",
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"content": "\n Hermaphroditic means they have the physical features of both man and woman.",
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"content": "\n Oh. At the same time?",
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"content": "\n At the same time.",
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"content": "\n I do not exactly... But such people, they have their own society, and their means of living is that whenever there is some good occasion, a marriage or childbirth, like that, so they go there and pray to God that \"This child may be very long living.\" In this way they make some prayer and get some...",
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"content": "\n These people... Now I don't understand... This takes place at..., the sixth scene...?",
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"content": "\n At Jagannātha Miśra's house.",
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"content": "\n Jagannātha Miśra's house. And his wife is who?",
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"content": "\n This scene should be mentioned as Jagannātha Miśra's courtyard.",
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"content": "\n And who is his wife, again?",
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"content": "\n Śacīdevī.",
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"content": "\n Śacīdevī, yes.",
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"content": "\n Śacīdevī is the mother of Lord Caitanya. She is sitting with the child, and everyone is visiting, visiting, presenting, or all..., everyone's saying, \"Oh, how nice child He is.\"",
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"content": "\n And these asexual people...",
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"content": "\n They are dancing.",
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"content": "\n They are dancing.",
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"content": "\n Yes. They are dancing, \"Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" Yes, like that. So Hare Kṛṣṇa dancing is going there.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n And visitors coming and presenting. That is a very nice scene. Yes. The sixth scene is Lord Caitanya, a naughty boy. He would go to the Ganges side, and it is the system of orthodox brāhmaṇas that they meditate in the Ganges, half. That is the system.\nNow He will go and swim over the water and throw water in their mouth in this way. Naughty boy. And they will be very much disgusted. \"You naughty boy! You come here!\" \"Stop your meditation. What is this meditation? Chant! Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa!\" He would say like that.\nSo they will come and complain to His father: \"Your child has become too much naughty, and just see that..., teased us like this.\" The father will say, \"Oh, the boy is going to be very naughty. I'll punish Him. Let Him come.\"\nSo father, angry father, was waiting. As soon as the boy will come he would punish. But when the boy returns the father sees that \"He's just coming from school. There is no sign that He has gone to Ganges and taken bath. How is that these gentlemen complained?\" He will be puzzled. In that way, we have to show.",
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"content": "\n How old is He here? How old is Caitanya here? Maybe five, six?",
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"content": "\n That was, He was five or six years old. That's all.",
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"content": "\n And this is... What's the location again?",
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"content": "\n This location is front of Jagannātha Miśra's house.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Six years later, in other words.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n All right. And then that's the...",
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"content": "\n I think...",
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"content": "\nDoes He meet any of these characters at the river? Does He meet any of the characters up there?",
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"content": "\n No. General public. General public. But they are all brāhmaṇas, rigid brāhmaṇas. They are taking bath. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Now is that the end of the first act?",
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"content": "\n End of the first... I think you should first of all write this, then you take. Or you take all the notes at a time.",
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"content": "\n Do you feel like going on? I don't think I'm going to write these down. I'm just going to use this tape. When I go over a scene I'll just play it back. It's too much to write.",
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"content": "\n All right. That's all right.",
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"content": "\n If you feel like going on, then go ahead.",
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"content": "\n No, I can talk.",
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"content": "\n Oh, good.",
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"content": "\n I can talk.",
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"content": "\n Well let's do as much as possible, because you're leaving Sunday.",
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"content": "\n All right. All right. Do it.",
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"content": "\n This is second act now.",
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"content": "\n Second act. Then Lord Caitanya's saṅkīrtana organization in the house of Śrīnivāsa. Śrīnivāsācārya. The saṅkīrtana movement was... They were all chanting together Hare Kṛṣṇa, and Caitanya Mahāprabhu asked the devotees that \"Hello, My dear friends. What do you want to eat?\" So some of them said...\nThat was out of season, and still some of them asked that \"We shall be very glad if You give us some mangoes.\" [laughs] So Lord Caitanya said that \"All right. You just bring one seed of mango.\"\nSo in Bengal there is..., seed of mango is available always, because the people in the village, they eat mango and throw it in the ground, they say they come out as creep, creeper. So it is not very difficult. So he brought some creeper like that, and he sowed it, and at once it became a tree, and there was sufficient quantity of mango fruits. So all the devotees were distributed. And that mango tree remained there, and they were taking mango every day. And in that scene, just try to...\nThe next scene is brāhmaṇas' dissatisfaction. Now some of the brāhmaṇas...",
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"content": "\n How old is Caitanya now?",
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"content": "\n He was about...",
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"content": "\n Sixteen?",
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"content": "\n Fifteen, sixteen, like that. Yes. Fifteen, sixteen. Yes, you ask me questions, any, about that.",
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"content": "\n That's His saṅkīrtana organization, that first scene.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n And from this first comes...",
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"content": "\n Yes, that is the beginning of...",
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"content": "\n A scene of Nivās...",
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"content": "\n At Śrīnivāsa's house.",
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"content": "\n Are the people mainly young people like Himself?",
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"content": "\n Yes, they were all young.",
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"content": "\n Or are they older brāhmaṇas?",
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"content": "\n Older, only these...",
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"content": "\n Only the three, yes.",
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"content": "\n Haridāsa, Śrīnivāsa and Advaita. They were taking part. Otherwise, all, they were young friends, yes. Young boys. No girls. That is not the system in India. [laughs] Yes.\nNow when the second scene, mainly their movement was going on and it was becoming popular. Now Caitanya Mahāprabhu preached that \"Simply by the saṅkīrtana movement everything will be fulfilled. You need not do anything.\" So the priest class, brāhmaṇas, they became very much dissatisfied that \"He is inviting Muhammadans and all others...\"\nBecause according to Hindu society, except the brāhmaṇas... Especially in those days, only the brāhmaṇas were considered the highest in the society, and even the kṣatriyas, vaiśyas, they all calculated to..., in the group of śūdras. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu was allowing everyone—the Muhammadans, the śūdras, the low class, the high class, the brāhmaṇas... He was amalgamating everyone.\nSo these brāhmaṇas, they took objection: \"He is making a disastrous movement. The prestige of the brāhmaṇas will go.\" So they became very much dissatisfied, and they concluded that \"We shall go to the magistrate and file our complaint that He is doing against Hindu religion, and He's crying always 'Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa' loudly. The Lord is sleeping. He will be disturbed and there will be disaster, Lord being angry.\" In this way they filed complaint.\nAsk anything, questions.",
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"content": "\n Are there any of the characters listed up here among the brāhmaṇas who complained?",
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"content": "\n No. They complained... Characters... Ordinary brāhmaṇas.",
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"content": "\n Yes. All right. Now, I can't think of anything there. That leads into the next scene, third scene.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Then the next scene is that some constables came, and during the hari-saṅkīrtana, they broke the mṛdaṅgas, that \"You have disobeyed the magistrate orders that... So you cannot do it.\" So as the constables, they do some, I mean to say, what is called, violence or assault, so they did that.\nAnd after the constables went away Caitanya Mahāprabhu was informed. He came. He saw that the mṛdaṅgas are broken and the everything is strewn away, so Caitanya Mahāprabhu saw. He decided, \"All right. Now we shall organize a civil disobedience movement. Now tomorrow we shall organize thousands and thousands of people with mṛdaṅgas, and we shall approach the magistrate house.\" So He...\nNext scene... What is that next scene?",
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"content": "\n Now the constables broke up a saṅkīrtana carried on by Caitanya's friends. Any location here particular?",
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"content": "\n Yes. It is called the Śrīvāsa house.",
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"content": "\n On a house. At someone's home.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Because in India the village houses, they have got some compound. Not that only fixed house. Every house has got a compound.",
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"content": "\n All right. Very good. Now there's the fourth scene, this is the meeting with the magistrate.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Fourth scene. That...",
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"content": "\n They march to the magistrate.",
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"content": "\n Magistrate house, and in the courtyard all the people, they were very much enthusiastic.",
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"content": "\n Several thousand.",
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"content": "\n Several thousand. And they were loudly chanting and meeting Lord... So when the chanting was going on, the Chand Kazi appeared and there was discussion between... Chand Kazi was also very great scholar, and Lord Caitanya was also scholar. So Chand Kazi, just to pacify them, he addressed Caitanya, \"My dear boy, You happen to be my nephew. You are my sister's son. Why You are so angry upon Your maternal uncle?\"\nCaitanya Mahāprabhu got the clue that he was prepared to make compromise. So He also mildly replied, \"Yes, you are My uncle, I know. So because you are My uncle, therefore I have come to your house. How is that when the nephew comes that you do not receive Him? In an angry mood you go upstairs?\" So in this way, the situation was pacified. Then they sat together and there was very learned discussion between the two. Because Hindus are always against cow killing. So he was Muhammadan. They were killing cow.",
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"content": "\n Chand...",
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"content": "\n Chand Kazi.",
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"content": "\n Muhammadan.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Muhammadan. Chand Kazi was a... Maulana Chand Kazi. His name is Maulana Chand Kazi. He was a great scholar in the Koran scripture. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu first of all asked the Chand Kazi, \"My dear uncle, what is your religion, that you are eating your mother and father?\" [laughs]\nSo he could understand that He was attacking the cow killing process. So he said, \"Well, You are just trying to criticize our cow killing, but in Your Vedic literature also I have seen that cow killing is allowed in sacrifice.\" Then Lord Caitanya said, \"Yes. That is not killing. That is rejuvenating. That is not killing.\" The sacrifice of cow recommended in the Vedic śāstra means that the brāhmaṇas proved how powerful was Vedic mantra that it could give a new life to the old cows and bulls.\nSo then Caitanya Mahāprabhu said that \"Such kind of learned brāhmaṇas and Vedic yajṣa is not possible in this age. Therefore cow killing...\" Not cow killing. \"Sacrifice by offering cow, sacrifice by offering horse, and...\" Aśvamedhaṁ gavālambhaṁ [Cc. Ādi 17.164].\n[In this Age of Kali, five acts are forbidden: the offering of a horse in sacrifice, the offering of a cow in sacrifice, the acceptance of the order of sannyāsa, the offering of oblations of flesh to the forefathers, and a man’s begetting children in his brother’s wife.]\nAnd sannyāsaṁ pala paitṛkam. Sannyāsa means to become in the renounced order of life. And these five things. One thing is sacrifice by offering cow. Second, sacrifice by offering horse. Third, to accept renounced order of life. And fourth, offering ablutions... Or what is called? Offering some..., something to the forefathers? What is called?",
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"content": "\n Oblations.",
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"content": "\n Oblations. Yes. This, and to beget child by the husband's younger brother. Formerly, the society allowed that if a woman is young, she has no child, but husband died, so if the husband has younger brother, through the younger brother she could have a child. This system was current. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that these five things are forbidden in this age.\nSo Chand Kazi also replied that \"Cow killing is also not generally recommended in the Koran. Actually... I mean to say, beef-eating or flesh-eating is not in the higher stage. But those who are inclined to take flesh, for them it is recommended that instead of killing many small animals, one big animal should be killed.\" So actually in Mecca, Medina, they kill camel. That is also in the mosque.\nSo the substance of his speech was that flesh-eating ultimately is not recommended. \"But those who have no other means, they eat flesh, and they recommend that one big animal should be killed. So India, the cow is big animal, therefore we kill. But that is not recommended for advanced spiritual students.\"\nIn this way... So they were friends, and he understood..., Chand Kazi understood that it is very nice movement, that \"You are preaching love of Godhead. So I did not understand. So my dear boy, henceforward there will be no hindrances in Your movement, and I promise that not only myself but all my descendants would never object Your movement, this saṅkīrtana movement.\"",
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"content": "\n All right. Now, I don't have any questions there. I probably wouldn't deal quite at such length about the meat. I don't see how that... The main thing was about the saṅkīrtana, the chanting.",
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"content": "\n Chanting, and it was mitigated, and he allowed. First of all, there was objection, then there was civil disobedience, then when they, I mean to say, compromised, the Chand Kazi allowed the movement. This is the whole idea.",
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"content": "\n The fifth scene is renunciation of household life.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n This is at age...? This is considerably later, then. This is about ten years later.",
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"content": "\n No. Renunciation... Now this Chand Kazi, he was... This movement when He was about twenty years old. Do you follow?",
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"content": "\n The saṅkīrtana was when He was around twenty. The Kazi.",
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"content": "\n The saṅkīrtana was going on.",
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"content": "\n When He was sixteen, fifteen.",
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"content": "\n But practically He started this saṅkīrtana movement vigorously from the age of fifteen years. But when He was twenty years old, when the movement took very nice appearance, the brāhmaṇas they complained. So this movement was about twenty years old, when... Then renunciation...",
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"content": "\n He's twenty-four now.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Renunciation. So one day it so happened that instead of chanting \"Hare Kṛṣṇa,\" Lord Caitanya was chanting, \"Gopī, gopī, gopī, gopī, gopī,\" instead of chanting \"Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa.\" So He had a small school. The brāhmaṇas, generally they keep a small school, which is called catuṣpaṭhī. C-c-h-a-a-t-u-s-p-a-t-h-i.\nCatuṣpaṭhī. Catuṣpaṭhī means that a school where up to the four Vedas are taught. Grammar and religion and everything is taught there. So there... In every village that was system, the brāhmaṇas should keep up a school like that. Students were all almost, they were also of the same age. Some of them were fifteen years old, sixteen years old.\nSo the students came and saw Lord Caitanya was chanting \"Gopī gopī,\" so they objected. They said, \"Oh, why You are chanting 'gopī gopī'? Why You do not chant 'Kṛṣṇa,' 'Hare Kṛṣṇa'?\" So Caitanya Mahāprabhu was in His ecstasy, because He was... In the beginning, His appearance is in the form of gopī, to love Kṛṣṇa.\nSo He became very much angry, and because they were students, He wanted to chastise them. He took a stick. \"You nonsense! What you are speaking? Go away!\" So they fled away, but after that they organized, \"Oh, how is that? Caitanya, He is... How He has become so big that they [He] wants to beat us?\" In this way they practically they were talking ill of Him.\nSo He decided that \"If I remain a householder, these people will not honor Me.\" Because in those days a sannyāsī was honored in the society very much. If a sannyāsī comes to your village or to a householder's house, it was very... Still it is going on, although not so widely. But still, eighty percent of the population in India, if they find out a sannyāsī they give all honor.\nSo He decided that \"Now I shall become a sannyāsī.\" So He happened to see Keśava Bhāratī, a sannyāsī on the Śaṅkara sampradāya, and He requested him that \"You give Me sannyāsa.\" So He took sannyāsa from Keśava Bhāratī and He was assisted by Nityānanda, Murāri Gupta and some other people. So this is His renunciation decision and acceptance of sannyāsa.",
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"content": "\n How does He, How does He accept sannyāsī? Is it an offical ceremony?",
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"content": "\n Sannyāsa, there is a ceremony. Just like we have got the initiation ceremony.",
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"content": "\n Did He have a spiritual master?",
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"content": "\n So He accepted spiritual... Not spiritual master, but a sannyāsa-guru. That is also master, but he's not spiritual master. But he's also considered as sannyāsa-guru, spiritual master who offers him sannyāsa. Just like myself, I took initiation from my Guru Maharaja, but I took sannyāsa from a Godbrother who is a sannyāsī. So my original guru is that spiritual master who initiated me, but he's also a śikṣā guru. Like that. Teacher.\nThen His renunciation of householder. He became sannyāsa. Now when He was, after taking sannyāsa, when He was going towards Vṛndāvana, He became always almost mad. So Nityānanda, He was with Him. When He saw that Lord Caitanya is in ecstasy, He misled Him just to...\nHis plan was that \"I shall take Lord Caitanya to the house of Advaita, and then I shall call His mother to see Him for the last time. If Caitanya goes away from this very point His mother will not be able to see Him.\"\nSo out of sympathy He said, \"Well, Śrīpāda Caitanya, this is not..., this side is not Vṛndāvana. You go...\" He just misdirected Him. So... And He sent one man to Advaita to receive Him, that \"He has taken sannyāsī. Just try to make arrangement to receive Him. Then we shall meet.\"\nSo when He came near the house of Advaita He saw that Advaita was waiting. So then He, I mean to say, came to His sense: \"Oh, I am misled? I have come to Advaita's house? How is that, Nityānanda? You showed Me this way Vṛndāvana.\" Then He said, \"Oh, wherever You stay, that is Vṛndāvana.\" Now Advaita says, \"All right, please come to my house.\"\nSo he received Him and took Him there and sent news to His mother that \"Your son has now taken sannyāsa. Now if you want to see Him for the last time, please come and see.\"\nSo in this way at Advaita's house He remained for some time. Say about a fortnight. And during that time, in the beginning, His mother came, and His mother became so much sorry. That scene you have to describe very nicely—mother seeing that her son has taken sannyāsa: \"No more He'll come to house.\"\nSo [s]he was crying. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu fell on his [her] feet and begged, \"My dear mother, yes. This body belongs to you. This body should have been engaged for your service. Unfortunately, I've done a mistake. I have already taken sannyāsa. Please excuse Me.\" In this way. That scene described in the Dilip Kumar's house, that Caitanya is consulting mother, that is a false scene. The actual scene is that after accepting His sannyāsa, His mother came to see Him at Advaita's house. That is the...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Does she give Him her blessing finally?",
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"content": "\n No. Of course, mother's blessings are always there. But the scene was that mother was crying, and He was falling on the feet, and His mother was very sorry that He had very beautiful hair; now it is all cut off. In this way, the scene is very pathetic.\nSo in this way, after remaining at Advaita's house, His mother was asking Him through Advaita, \"Let Him remain for some time.\" Then He consulted, \"Mother, now just you,\" I mean to say, \"think over that I have taken sannyāsa. And if I remain in this way, leaving My own family, and if I leave another family, do you think this is very nice for a sannyāsī?\nSo give Me permission to go away.\" Then the mother agreed, and other friends like Advaita and Śrīnivāsa requested His mother that \"You give Him permission.\" Then [s]he said, \"Yes, I have to give Him permission, because He has already accept sannyāsa. If somebody blames Him, blasphemy, that is also not good. \"So my last request is that He may make His headquarter at Jagannātha Purī so that... Because people generally go to Jagannātha Purī, so I shall be able at least to know about Him, how He is faring there. That is my last request.\"\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu at once accepted: \"My dear mother, I shall always stay in Jagannātha Purī, and sometimes I may come to Bengal also to take bath in the Ganges. So there will be meeting. Now let Me go.\" So in this way they departed, and Caitanya Mahāprabhu for the last time saw His friends and mother.",
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"content": "\n I don't understand Nityānanda's motive. He's a friend. Nityānanda, He's a young friend of... Caitanya's.",
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"content": "\n Oh, Nityānanda was not actually a family brother. But He was..., He is the incarnation of Baladeva, the elder brother of Kṛṣṇa. So He took His birth in a different family, but He joined Caitanya's movement as other friends joined. So He is considered the elder brother of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He's actually.",
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"content": "\n He opposed Caitanya's... He opposed Caitanya's sannyāsa.",
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"content": "\n No, no. He did not oppose. He did not oppose. He simply, after Caitanya's acceptance of sannyāsa, He wanted simply that He should come to Advaita's place so that His mother may see Him for the last time. That was His plan.",
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"content": "\n I see.\n[break] All right, this is third act, first scene.",
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"content": "\n So Caitanya Mahāprabhu, after taking leave from His mother, left Bengal towards Orissa, and on the entrance in the district of Balasore there is a nice temple called Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha temple. And He saw the temple. Here the scene is to be arranged that there is nice temple, and within the temple there is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Deity, Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha.\nThe pūjārīs are there, ārati is being taken place, and at that time Caitanya Mahāprabhu entered with His followers, chanting \"Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa,\" and He saw the Deity and danced before Him. And when the ārati was finished, prayer was finished, then He sat down, talked with His associates, Nityānanda and Gadādhara and Murāri.\nSo Nityānanda Prabhu described about the Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha, the story of Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha. It was very nice story, that formerly one ācārya, Madhavendra Purī, came to this temple, Gopīnatha, and while that condensed milk, which is called kṣīra, was being offered to the Deity, Madhavendra Purī wanted to taste it so that he would also prepare such condensed milk and offer to his Gopāla. So after that he thought, \"Oh, it is being offered to Kṛṣṇa and I wanted to taste it. So I am so greedy.\"\nSo he left the temple, that \"I am not worth to visit this temple.\" So he went outside the temple and sat down underneath a tree and was chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then at dead of night, Gopīnatha, the Deity, was awakening His priest by dream, that \"You please get up. I have kept one pot of condensed milk behind My...,\" what is called... That pid vastra... that kings, sometimes they have got, very long tail-like. What is that called?",
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"content": "\n Robe or something?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. What is the name?",
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"content": "\n I don't know.",
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"content": "\n In Sanskrit it is called pid vastra, backside robe. So under the backside robe He kept one pot of condensed milk by stealing. So the pūjārī woke up and opened the door and actually saw that there was a pot of condensed milk. They were... The priests were very much astonished, that \"Oh, He has stolen [laughs] kṣīra for His devotee.\"\nSo the order was that \"You take this pot and give to Madhavendra Purī. He is sitting underneath the tree.\" So they, with the pot of the condensed milk, they began to cry, \"Oh, who is that Madhavendra Purī? Oh, you are so fortunate. The Deity has stolen condensed milk for you. Take it.\"\nSo he came forward, and he was so pleased that Lord has stolen. \"Because I desired to taste, so Lord has stolen one pot.\" In this way. From that day He became famous, \"the thief of condensed milk,\" kṣīra-corā. Kṣīra means condensed milk, and corā means thief. So the temple became famous that the temple of the thief of condensed milk.",
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"content": "\n Caitanya, the condensed milk thief.",
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"content": "\n No. Oh, you did not hear. Caitanya, after seeing the Deity, He was sitting and seeing, and in the meantime Nityānanda Prabhu narrated the story how His name became Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha. You did not follow me?",
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"content": "\n Nityānanda?",
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"content": "\n Nityānanda.",
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"content": "\n Nityānanda.",
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"content": "\n Nityānanda was going with Lord Caitanya.",
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"content": "\n Narrated this to Lord Caitanya? Nityānanda narrated this to Lord Caitanya.",
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"content": "\n Yes, that how the Deity was known as Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha. The story was narrated that formerly He stole one...",
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"content": "\n Condensed milk.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Pot of condensed milk for His devotee.",
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"content": "\n Now what direct relationship does this have to Lord Caitanya?",
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"content": "\n Lord Caitanya also visited. Anyone in those days going to Jagannātha Purī from Bengal, they had to pass that way. And on the way the Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha temple is there. So everyone used to visit. So formerly Madhavendra Purī, he also visited, and for him the Deity stole the condensed milk. From that time He's known as Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha. That story was narrated to Caitanya Mahāprabhu.\nSo while sitting before the Deity, the story was narrated, and Caitanya Mahāprabhu relished it that God is so kind that sometimes He steals for His devotee. This is the significance of this. So here the scene should be arranged that very nice temple, the Deity within, and Lord Caitanya entered while chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa and saw the worship, ārātrika. These things are to be shown in this scene. And a little story about Him, that's all.",
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"content": "\n About the temple.",
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"content": "\n About the temple. This will finish the first scene.",
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"content": "\n There should be more to the scene, I think, than that.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Arrangement of the scene, yes. A very nice temple.",
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"content": "\n We might be able to... Now what is this second scene? This is another temple.",
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"content": "\n This is another temple, yes. Here also, this temple, Sākṣi-gopāla.",
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"content": "\n I might be able to combine these, if they...",
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"content": "\n No. They are different temples. So Lord Caitanya is visiting different temples, that you have to show. And each temple, the significance of the temple has to be described. Especially the Deity. When the importance is to the Deity, the Deity should be shown nicely decorated.",
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"content": "\n Hmm. Well I don't know if I have enough information for that first scene. But I'll think of something. I don't know if I have enough information for the first scene. It can be very short.",
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"content": "\n First scene, why you have to... The ārātrika is going on and kīrtana is going on, you can continue for five minutes, ten minutes the kīrtana, and short description of the Deity. That's all. That will finish.",
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"content": "\n Now the other is the Sākṣi-gopāla.",
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"content": "\n Sākṣi-gopāla. Sākṣi means witness. Gopāla.... That picture, we have brought that big picture, that is Gopāla mūrti—alone standing Kṛṣṇa and playing... You have seen that big picture?",
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"content": "\n The big picture, yes.",
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"content": "\n A Deity like that should be situated in that temple. And His name is Sākṣi-gopāla. These... Similarly, Lord Caitanya entered with His party and saw the ārātrika in Gopāla temple. Then the story of the Gopāla, Sākṣi, why He was known as Sākṣi-gopāla.",
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"content": "\n Saw Darate? Saw what? Darate. He saw...",
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"content": "\n Ārati.",
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"content": "\n Entered and saw in the Sākṣi temple and saw...? What did you say?",
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"content": "\n Sākṣi-gopāla means witness Gopāla. Witness. So how He became witness, that story was also narrated by Nityānanda to Caitanya Mahāprabhu. That story is that in that village, two brāhmaṇas... That's a very long story.",
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"content": "\n What does this have to do with this temple? What does this story have to do with the temple? Lord Caitanya has entered this temple.",
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"content": "\n That's all. But how this temple was established, how Gopāla was established, that history is in that story. The Sākṣi-gopāla means witness. This Gopāla was situated in Vṛndāvana, but to give witness for His devotee He came to Orissa, that place. That is the significance of this Gopāla. Do you follow?",
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"content": "\n No. [laughs] No.",
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"content": "\n This Gopāla was situated at Vṛndāvana. Vṛndāvana means about more than one thousand miles away from where the temple is situated now. But He came one thousand miles to give witness for His devotee. Since then, Gopāla is situated there. So that story is narrated. So that story should be narrated, or what? How to do it? That is the significance of the temple. There was some family quarrel, and Gopāla came to give witness to decide judgment on that quarrel. So it is possible to describe?",
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"content": "\n I think from a dramatic point of view, in your third act, you can't have too many narrations. It becomes very tedious, if you have a narration—someone telling the history of various temples. Like in the first scene, now there's a story being told Lord Caitanya by Nityānanda. Now in the second scene He visits another temple. And is there going to be another narration about how the temple was founded? I don't think that's... I don't know. [laughs] Do you think that will be all right?",
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"content": "\n No. That will be all right in this way, that the narration should be shortly described in poetry, and that will be chanted with kīrtana. In that way, you see.",
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"content": "\n Yes. You see the first two acts... The first two acts there was a lot of action. There was a lot of action. Now we're in the third act, and we have two scenes..., two scenes of description. Now they can be two short scenes of description. That'll be all right. That'll be all right, I think.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n So what is the story? A short little story?",
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"content": "\n The short story is that there was two brāhmaṇas. Two brāhmaṇas: one young brāhmaṇa, one old brāhmaṇa. They went to Vṛndāvana to see Gopāla, and the old brāhmaṇa was so obliged to the young brāhmaṇa, he promised to hand over his youngest daughter to the young brāhmaṇa. But when he came back home, his eldest son objected. So he kept mum.\nThen when the young brāhmaṇa, I mean to say, reminded him that \"You promised before Gopāla to hand over your daughter. Now you are silent. What is this?\" so his eldest son said, \"Well, if Gopāla comes to give witness that my father promised before Him, then my sister can be married with you.\" So he went back to Vṛndāvana and requested Gopāla to come and give witness. So He came, and the marriage ceremony was performed. This is the sum and substance of the story.\nAnd since then Gopāla did not... Gopāla means statue. So in those days there was no transport service. And when Gopāla was present everyone became struck with wonder that \"Oh, such a devotee that Gopāla has come from Vṛndāvana to Orissa, more than 1,500 miles.\" So the king of that place constructed a very nice temple, and since then that temple is known as Witness Gopāla.\nSākṣi-gopāla means witness. So this story can be shortly described and chanted with music, and the scene of the temple will be seen, Caitanya Mahāprabhu dancing. Our real purpose will be the dancing and singing and little description.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Now, is that all of this?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Then He visited Jagannātha temple. And the Jagannātha temple you have to arrange, it is very crowdy temple. So many people were visiting Jagannātha temple, at the same time Lord Caitanya also entered, and He entered alone.",
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"content": "\n How old is He at this point? How old is He?",
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"content": "\n Caitanya Mahāprabhu?",
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"content": "\n His age at this time?",
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"content": "\n Twenty-four years. It is just after His sannyāsa. He took sannyāsa at the age of twenty-four. So He's visiting. After sannyāsa He's going to Jagannātha Purī. On the way He visited this Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha, Sākṣi-gopāla, and ultimately He came to Jagannātha temple. And in the Jagannātha temple was very crowded temple, because it is always at least 500, 1,000 devotees are always seeing. It is significance of Jagannātha temple.\nSo He entered, and as soon as He saw Jagannātha He became overwhelmed with ecstasy and fell down unconscious. So all the people gathered, \"He's a young sannyāsī. He has fallen down.\" So there was Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya, the learned scholar of Purī. He saw, \"Oh, this young sannyāsī, He's not ordinary.\"\nSo he asked his men to carry Him to his place, and that will be the scene. Then after His departure His followers will come, and they will search in the temple that Caitanya Mahāprabhu is not there. Then one Gopīnātha Ācārya... I think the character is there? Gopīnātha Ācārya?",
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"content": "\n Now is this the...",
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"content": "\n Yes, Gopīnātha Ācārya. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Is this the learned brāhmaṇa?",
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"content": "\n Gopīnātha Ācārya and Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya. They were brother-in-law.",
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"content": "\n Saba... Be...",
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"content": "\n Bhauma.",
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"content": "\n Oh, his name is here. Yes, you didn't mention...",
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"content": "\n And Gopīnātha Ācārya is also there.",
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"content": "\n Yes, all right. Sarvabhooma.",
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"content": "\n So just note down. First of all, Caitanya Mahāprabhu enters the temple. As soon as He sees Jagannātha He becomes fainted and fell down unconscious. So all the visitors, they became astonished that \"Here is a young sannyāsī, and how is that, He has fallen down?\"\nBut Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya noted that He is a high-grade sannyāsī. So he asked his men that \"You carry this body, unconscious body, to my place.\" So his men took away Caitanya Mahāprabhu's body unconscious, and Sārvabhauma also, and exit.\nThen after their departure His party entered the temple. Nityānanda, Gadādhara and Murāri, all these men entered. So Gopīnātha Ācārya was present there. He was known to Gadādhara, and Gadādhara inquired that \"Is there any sannyāsī who came here?\" Then Gopīnātha Ācārya said, \"Yes, we have seen one sannyāsī.\nHe fell down in ecstasy and Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya has taken Him to his home.\" So he invited, \"All right, you come with me. I am taking you there.\" So all the parties were taken to Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya's place.",
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"content": "\n The friends of Caitanya. What are their names again?",
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"content": "\n Their name is Nityānanda, Gadādhara...",
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"content": "\n What's that name?",
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"content": "\n Gadādhara.",
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"content": "\n Oh, I see, yes.",
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"content": "\n Nityānanda, Gadādhara...",
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"content": "\n And Murāri.",
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"content": "\n And Murāri and Mukunda.",
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"content": "\nAnd Mukunda.",
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"content": "\n Yes. And Haridāsa also. Yes.",
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"content": "\n And Haridāsa. What about Advaita?",
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"content": "\n No, Advaita and Śrīnivāsa, they were left in...",
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"content": "\n All right. They're not there.",
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"content": "\n So the next scene comes to the Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya's place.",
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"content": "\n Fourth scene.",
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"content": "\n Fourth scene. Yes. \"Lord Caitanya meets Sārvabhauma.\" Now from Jagannātha temple the next scene is Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya's house. Do you follow?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n In that house, Caitanya, Lord Caitanya was lying unconscious in ecstasy, the same unconsciousness which He got from the temple. So Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya was trying to treat Him with some water so that He may come to consciousness. Now when His other friends, Nityānanda, Gadādhara and others, arrived there, they told, \"Oh, Lord Caitanya, He becomes unconscious while chanting.\nSo He cannot be revived to His consciousness by any other means. We have to chant.\" So in the Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya's house that chanting and dancing began with all the members, and gradually Caitanya Mahāprabhu came to consciousness.\nThen there was introduction of Caitanya Mahāprabhu through Gopīnātha Ācārya and Gadādhara. And Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya told that \"You become my guest, you, all of you.\" And he gave them places. Then... Caitanya Mahāprabhu was only twenty-four years old, and Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya, he was old man, about sixty years old.\nSo by acquaintance it was disclosed that Sārvabhauma's father and Caitanya Mahāprabhu's grandfather were class friends. So Jagannātha Miśra, in that sense—Jagannātha Miśra means Caitanya's father—was, I mean to say, a relative, brother-in-law of Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya. So he took Him affectionately and told Him, \"My dear boy, You have taken sannyāsa at a very early age. So You should be very careful to study Vedānta-sūtra from me. Otherwise it will be very much difficult for You, young man.\"\nSo He agreed, \"Yes, you are just like My father. So you will kindly give Me instruction on Vedānta-sūtra.\" So there was discussion of the Vedānta-sūtra between Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya and Caitanya Mahāprabhu. That discussion is shortly mentioned in the introduction of my Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. You will see it.",
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"content": "\n The discussion between Sarvabhooma?",
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"content": "\n And Caitanya.",
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"content": "\n And Caitanya, regarding...",
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"content": "\n Regarding Vedānta-sūtra.",
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"content": "\n That's in the introduction to Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Yes, I remember that. All right. There's no sense in going over that. All right. What is the outcome of this, now? Final outcome?",
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"content": "\n The outcome is that the Sārvabhauma was impersonalist and Caitanya Mahāprabhu was Vaiṣṇava. Then by argument, logic and everything—that is shortly described there—Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya became a disciple of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and he became a greatest devotee. That is the outcome. And it was a great victory on the part of Caitanya Mahāprabhu because Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya was known as the most stubborn scholar of logic of that time, and he became a devotee. Yes.\nAnd by Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya's becoming a devotee of Lord Caitanya, practically He became victorious in His missionary activities, because Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya was a learned scholar in the assembly of the King of Orissa. So the King of Orissa also became a devotee, and many other scholars and big men.",
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"content": "\n Of Caitanya's. They all became devo... The King of Orissa?",
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"content": "\n Yes, he became a great devotee.",
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"content": "\n That might even be mentioned in this scene. I don't know if you can mention it here.",
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"content": "\n It is not mentioned, but...",
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"content": "\n Well, that's an outcome of this meeting, anyway.",
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"content": "\n When Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya was meeting the King, the King inquired that \"I have heard that there is a big sannyāsī has come here. What is the details of this sannyāsī? I've heard that you have also become a disciple.\" So Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya explained, \"Yes, He's not ordinary sannyāsī. He's Kṛṣṇa Himself, so far I've studied.\"\nSo Bhaṭṭācārya, he was authority, a great learned man. And the King, when he heard that He is Kṛṣṇa, he also became a devotee. So all expenditure, all everything was supplied by the King and his officers to Caitanya Mahāprabhu. So many people... Always four hundred, five hundred men were visiting Him. So whoever would come, and he would supply food and place. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He began His chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa in the Jagannātha temple.\nThe same scene is being performed here before the Jagannātha temple, Lord Caitanya is dancing. When we perform the class I remembered that scene. Yes. That Caitanya Mahāprabhu is dancing before Jagannātha. Every evening four parties. In each party four mṛdaṅga and eight karatāla.\nSo one party this side, one party this side, one party back side, one party front side, and Caitanya Mahāprabhu in the middle would dance, and the four parties will chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa... That was going on every evening so long He stayed at Jagannātha Purī.",
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"content": "\n This... That only happened as long as He stayed there. Is that right?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n This no longer... They no longer do this.",
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"content": "\n No, not in that way, but kīrtana goes on in the temple still.",
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"content": "\n Not to such an extent.",
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"content": "\n Sometimes to such an extent. But He was different personality. In His presence, that was a different thing. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu's, I mean to say, Deity is within the temple. That Deity is worshiped, and kīrtana takes place, Bhāgavata-[indistinct].",
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"content": "\n In Jagannātha.",
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"content": "\n In Jagannātha Purī, yes.",
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"content": "\n All right. Now is that all of the fourth scene? Anything else in the fourth scene?",
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"content": "\n No, nothing.",
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"content": "\n All right. Then that's the end of the third act.",
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"content": "\n It is the end of third act. We have... [break]",
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"content": "\n This is the fourth act, first scene.",
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"content": "\n Yes, fourth act, first scene.",
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"content": "\n \"Meets Rāmānanda Rāya.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Shall I speak?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes.",
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"content": "\n So after converting Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya, Caitanya Mahāprabhu started for His South Indian tour. In South Indian tour, before meeting Rāmānanda Rāya, He visited a very nice temple, which is called Vijaya Nṛsiṁha. Shall I...? Shall you give that scene? That is very nice temple. Huh?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Go ahead.",
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"content": "\n Then the first scene will be the visit of Vijaya Nṛsiṁha Garh temple.",
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"content": "\n Vijaya...",
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"content": "\n Vijaya Nṛsiṁha Garh.",
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"content": "\n I'll get the spellings of these from you later.",
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"content": "\n I'm spelling. V-i-j-a-y N-r-i-s-i-n-g-a G-a-r-h. Vijaya Nṛsiṁha Garh temple. This is near modern Visakhapatnam shipyard. There is a very great Indian shipyard, Visakhapatnam. Formerly it was not Visakhapatnam. So near that, five miles away from that station, there is that nice temple on the hill. So I think that the temple scenery may be there and Caitanya Mahāprabhu's visiting that temple.\nAnd after that temple He came to the bank of River Godāvarī. Just like the river Ganges is very sacred river, similarly there are others, four other rivers: Yamunā, Godāvarī, Kṛṣṇā, Narmadā. Gaṅgā, Yamunā. Godāvarī, Narmadā and Kṛṣṇā. These five rivers are considered very sacred.\nSo He came to the bank of Godāvarī and He took His bath and was sitting in a nice place underneath a tree and chanting \"Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" In the meantime He saw that a great procession was coming, and that should be the scenario of this. In that procession... Formerly the kings and governors, they used to take bath in the Ganges with their paraphernalia, band party and many brāhmaṇas and all kinds of charitable things.\nIn this way they used to come to take bath. So Lord Caitanya saw that somebody is coming in that great procession, and He was told about Rāmānanda Rāya, the governor of Madras province. Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya requested Him that \"You are going to South India. You must meet Rāmānanda Rāya. He's a great devotee.\"\nSo when He was sitting on the bank of the Kāverī and Rāmānanda Rāya was coming in procession, He understood that he is Rāmānanda Rāya. But because He was sannyāsī, He did not address him. But Rāmānanda Rāya, he was a great devotee, and saw a nice sannyāsī, young sannyāsī was sitting and chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Generally, the sannyāsīns they do not chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. They, \"Oṁ Nārā..., oṁ...\" Simply sound oṁ. Not Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n What do you mean He wouldn't address him because He was a sannyāsī?",
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"content": "\n Sannyāsīn, the restriction is the sannyāsī should not beg from pound-shilling man or see them. That is a restriction. Women, and men of pounds-shillings-pence.",
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"content": "\n But I thought Rāmānanda Rāya was a devotee.",
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"content": "\n But he was devotee, but undoubtedly, but outwardly he was a governor. Outwardly. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu did not go him, but he understood that \"Here is a nice sannyāsī.\" He came down and offered his respect and sat down before Him. And there was acquaintances, and Lord Caitanya said that \"Bhaṭṭācārya has already informed Me about you. You are a great devotee. So I have come to see you.\"\nAnd then he replied, \"Well, what devotee? I am a pound-shilling man, politician. But Bhaṭṭācārya is very kind to me that he has asked Your Holiness to see me. So if You have come, so kindly, kindly deliver me from this material māyā.\"\nSo there was appointment of time with Rāmānanda Rāya, and both of them met again in the evening, and there was discussion about, I mean to say, spiritual advancement of life. Lord Caitanya inquired from him and Rāmānanda Rāya replied. Of course, that's a long story, how He questioned and how he replied.",
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"content": "\n Rāmānanda Rāya.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Well, is that important? That's the scene about the meeting.",
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"content": "\n Meeting... Meeting, that discussion would you like to give?",
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"content": "\n Well, if it has to be rendered in the scene it's important. You want me to render the discussion?",
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"content": "\n Important is the scene that He met Rāmānanda Rāya, he came in procession, that was a nice scenery. These things are already complete. Now so far the talks are concerned, the summary of the talk was...",
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"content": "\n Just give me the brief summary.",
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"content": "\n Brief summary... In this scene Caitanya Mahāprabhu became the student. Not exactly student; He inquired and Rāmānanda Rāya answered. So the importance of the scene is that Caitanya Mahāprabhu does not follow the formality only the sannyāsīns should be the spiritual master.\nAnyone who knows the science of Kṛṣṇa, he can be spiritual master. And to show this example practically, although He was sannyāsī and brāhmaṇa and Rāmānanda Rāya was a śūdra and a gṛhastha, householder, still He became like a student and inquired Rāmānanda Rāya.\nRāmānanda Rāya felt some, I mean to say, hesitation, that \"How can I take the position of a teacher to a sannyāsī?\" Then Caitanya Mahāprabhu replied, \"No, no. Don't hesitate.\" He stated that either one may be a sannyāsī or may be householder or one may be a brāhmaṇa or śūdra, it doesn't matter.\nAnyone who knows the science of Kṛṣṇa, he can take the place of teacher. So that was His, I mean to say, gift. Because in Indian society it is simply taken that the brāhmaṇas and the sannyāsī can be spiritual master. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, \"No. Anyone can become spiritual master provided he's conversant with the science.\"\nAnd the summary of the discussion was how to elevate oneself in the highest perfection of love of Godhead. And that love of Godhead was described, existed, I mean to say, superexcellently in Rādhārāṇī. So in the bhāva, in the feature of Rādhārāṇī. And Rāmānanda Rāya, in the feature of Rādhārāṇī's associates Lalitā-sakhī, both of them embraced and began to dance in ecstasy. That will be the end of the scene. Both of them began to dance in ecstasy.",
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"content": "\n Rāmānanda Rāya...",
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"content": "\n And Caitanya Mahāprabhu.",
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"content": "\n All right. Now the second scene. Is that the end of the first?",
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"content": "\n Second scene...",
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"content": "\n Fourth act.",
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"content": "\n ...fourth act, Caitanya Mahāprabhu, after finishing His South Indian tour, He came back to Jagannātha Purī, His headquarter, and after some days He started for Vṛndāvana. While He was in Vṛndāvana He was embracing the trees as old friend, and the birds were sitting on His hand, as if receiving an old friend. Because He was Kṛṣṇa.\nSo after many years they have seen. And that scene, if you can describe how He's traveling in Vṛndāvana forest. Then He took bath in the several vānas and ghāṭas. Ghāṭas means bathing place of Kṛṣṇa's pastimes. And everywhere He felt the ecstasy of Rādhārāṇī, separation. In this way He returned from Vṛndāvana, and when He came down to Prayāg, modern Allahabad, at that time He met Rūpa Gosvāmī. Rūpa Gosvāmī.",
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"content": "\n Now you say the trees were old friends because He could remember that He was Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa used to play in these forests. He used to play in the forest. Yes. Now He met Rūpa Gosvāmī...",
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"content": "\n At Prayāg.",
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"content": "\n ...at Prayāg. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Allahabad. And...",
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"content": "\n What is His age? I just want to keep checking on this, His age now. Is He twenty, in His twenties still?",
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"content": "\n No, no. He took sannyāsa at twenty-four. Say twenty-five, twenty-six years.",
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"content": "\n Couple of years later. All right. Because time is an important factor. You have to keep track of the time in the play.",
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"content": "\n Yes. He toured, after His sannyāsa, He toured all over India for six years only. That means up to thirtieth year He toured all over India. And from thirtieth year to forty-eighth year—eighteen years—He constantly remained at Jagannātha Purī. He used to chant in the temple and meet His visitors.\nEspecially during car festival ceremony of Jagannātha, from Bengal about four hundred, five hundred devotees would go and meet Him, and they would remain there for four months continually: July, August, September, October. Four months. And then they would come back. In this way, for eighteen years He passed in Jagannātha Purī.\nSo Rūpa Gosvāmī... He met Rūpa Gosvāmī and He taught him about the science of devotion for ten days. That devotional service He instructed that the living entities, they're roaming in the 8,400,000 species of life. Fortunately, if by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa and if he gets one good spiritual master, then he learns about devotional service. So He taught him about the science of devotional service. That is the importance of meeting Rūpa Gosvāmī.\nSo here the scenery must be mentioned. It is on the bank of Ganges. There is a nice ghāṭa, just like... You have been to Benares? No. You have been Haridwar? Haridwar?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n You have seen many ghāṭas, bathing places.",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes, yes.",
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"content": "\n Similarly, there are ghāṭas in Benares, at Prayāg, and all, I mean to say, Vṛndāvana. That is the specific significance of Indian places of pilgrimage.",
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"content": "\n Yes. They bathe there every day, I noticed.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So similarly, there is a ghāṭa which is called Daśāśvamedha Ghāṭa at Prayāg. He instructed about the science of devotional service to Rūpa Gosvāmī.",
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"content": "\n Now how old is Rūpa Goswami? Is he an old man?",
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"content": "\n Oh, he was old enough. He was not less than fifty years at that time.",
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"content": "\n I see. All right. Anything else in the second scene, fourth act?",
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"content": "\n That is it. And when He is... And then He came back to Benares.",
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"content": "\n Who?",
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"content": "\n Caitanya Mahāprabhu.",
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"content": "\n I thought He stayed in Jagannātha... He's not now... He left...",
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"content": "\n No, from Jagannātha Purī He went to Vṛndāvana. From Vṛndāvana, while coming down again, He first of all came to Prayāg. There He taught Rūpa Gosvāmī. Then when He still came down, He came to Benares.",
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"content": "\n Yes. All right.",
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"content": "\n At Benares He remained for two months. More than two months. And for two months continually He instructed Sanātana Gosvāmī about devotional service. That instruction you'll find in the Teachings of Lord Caitanya. I've written that Teachings of Lord Caitanya?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Yes. In that you'll find.",
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"content": "\n Now this third scene, meets Sanātana Gosvāmī, that's in Benares. And Sanātana is how old?",
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"content": "\n Sanātana was older than Rūpa Gosvāmī. He was the eldest. He was not less than about sixty-five or seventy years old. He was old man. Sufficiently old man.",
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"content": "\n Yes. And the instructions to Sanātana Gosvāmī are in the Teachings of Lord Caitanya. All right. Now...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Similarly, the fourth scene, the teachings with Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī, that is also in there.",
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"content": "\n Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī was at Benares. He was a Māyāvādī sannyāsī, Śaṅkara-sampradāya. So he used to... This scene should be given that at Benares He was also walking all over the streets and roads, \"Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa,\" and thousands and thousands men were following Him.\nThis news arrived to Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī, who was the chief sannyāsī there and some of the devotees told, \"Oh, a very nice sannyāsī has come to Benares. He's chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" So Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī deprecated, \"Oh! This is a nonsense! Why a sannyāsī should chant and dance? He should concentrate his mind in studying Vedānta. He is a fool.\" In this way Caitanya Mahāprabhu was criticized.\nSo one Maharastrian brāhmaṇa, he was devotee of Caitanya Mahāprabhu, he said that \"This incident gave us much pain, sir. If You kindly meet this sannyāsī and talk with him about Vedānta-sūtra, that would be a nice thing.\"\nIn the meantime, one brāhmaṇa came and invited Lord Caitanya that \"I have invited all the sannyāsīns of Benares, but I know You do not meet these Māyāvādī sannyāsīs, but still I have come to invite You. If You kindly accept my invitation.\"\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu saw this opportunity of meeting Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī. He accepted his invitation, and there was a meeting, and there was discussion of Vedānta-sūtra with Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī, and He converted him to be a Vaisnava. That is another incident.",
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"content": "\n How old is this man?",
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"content": "\n Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī? He was also old man. Not less than sixty years old. Yes.",
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"content": "\n And what was his role, again, in the town? What was he... He was a Vedāntist?",
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"content": "\n Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī. He was a Māyāvādī sannyāsī. He accepted Caitanya Mahāprabhu's principle and he offered his respect. He touched His feet. And he also joined. But there is no mention that he became officially a Vaiṣṇava, but he accepted the philosophy of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. But Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya, officially, he became a Vaiṣṇava. Then Lord Haridāsa [sic] meets...",
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"content": "\n Fifth scene.",
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"content": "\n Fifth scene.",
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"content": "\n This is Haridāsa Ṭhākura?",
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"content": "\n Haridāsa Ṭhākura.",
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"content": "\n At who's death? At Haridāsa's death?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Haridāsa was very old man. He was Muhammadan.",
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"content": "\n He was the person that was thrown in the river.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n So he finally met his end here, in the fifth scene.",
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"content": "\n We are not meant for those... Of course, Haridāsa Ṭhākura has a separate life, but that we are not going to show.",
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"content": "\n Yes. All right. This particular incident.",
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"content": "\n Particular incident is significant, that Caitanya Mahāprabhu was a brāhmaṇa and He was a sannyāsī. According to social custom He should not touch even a Muhammadan, but this Haridāsa Ṭhākura was a Muhammadan, and at his death He took the body Himself and danced, and He put him in the graveyard and distributed prasādam.\nAnd Haridāsa Ṭhākura for two, three days he was feeling not well. Because he was Muhammadan, he did not enter the temple of Jagannātha temple, because the Hindus were very strict. He was devotee, he never mind. Why he should create some row? So Caitanya Mahāprabhu appreciated his behavior that he did not want to create any..., because he has become devotee. Forcibly he was not going to the temple.\nBut Caitanya Mahāprabhu Himself was daily coming and seeing him. While going to take bath in the sea, He'll first of all see Haridāsa. \"Haridāsa? What you are doing?\" Haridāsa will offer his respect and He will sit and talk for some time. Then Caitanya Mahāprabhu will go to take His bath. In this way, one day when He came He saw Haridāsa not feeling very well. \"Haridāsa? How is your health?\" \"Yes, Sir, it is not very... After all, it is body.\"\nThen the third day He saw that \"Haridāsa is going to leave his body today.\" So Caitanya Mahāprabhu asked him, \"Haridāsa, what do you desire?\" Both of them could understand. Haridāsa said that \"This is my last stage. If You kindly stand before me.\" So Caitanya Mahāprabhu stood before him and he left his body. [pause]",
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"content": "\n You mentioned that...",
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"content": "\n After his departure the body was taken by Caitanya Mahāprabhu Himself, and other devotees took him to the seaside and dug his grave here. That grave area is still in Jagannātha Purī—Haridāsa Ṭhākura's samādhi, tomb. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu began to dance. That was the ceremony. Because in a Vaiṣṇava ceremony, everything is kīrtana and dance. So that was His last ceremony of Haridāsa Ṭhākura.",
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"content": "\n You mentioned something about Caitanya dancing with Haridāsa?",
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"content": "\n Haridāsa's body. Caitanya..., dead body. Haridāsa's dead body.",
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"content": "\n Oh, with his dead body?",
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"content": "\n Yes. His dead body.",
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"content": "\n After his death.",
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"content": "\n After his death.",
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"content": "\n Caitanya...",
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"content": "\n While, I mean to say, Haridāsa was alive, he was dancing. But after the death of Haridāsa, Caitanya Mahāprabhu Himself took the body and began to dance with kīrtana. That means his funeral ceremony was conducted by Caitanya Mahāprabhu Himself. He took the body to the seaside, and in the graveyard He...",
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"content": "\n He conducted the...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Funeral ceremony, yes.",
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"content": "\n With a kīrtana.",
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"content": "\n With kīrtana. Kīrtana is always there. And after burial there was distribution of prasādam and kīrtana. Haridāsa Ṭhākura. So here you have to show some talks with Haridāsa, how feelingly.",
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"content": "\n All right. Are there any other... Is there any other information about Haridāsa?",
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"content": "\n The life history of Haridāsa is that he was born in a Muhammadan family. Someway or other he became a devotee and was chanting 300,000 times..., 300,000 times Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare / Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare, and Caitanya Mahāprabhu made him ācārya, the authority of chanting. Therefore we glorify him, \"Nāmācārya Haridāsa Ṭhākura ki jaya.\" Because he was made the ācārya, the authority of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nThen, when Lord Caitanya took sannyāsa, Haridāsa Ṭhākura desired that \"My dear Lord, You are going to..., You are leaving Nabadwip, then what is the use of my life? Either You take me or let me die.\" So Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, \"No. Why shall you die? You come with Me.\" So He took him to Jagannātha Purī.\nAt Jagannātha Purī, because he considered himself born of Muhammadan family, he did not enter. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu gave him a place at Kāśīnātha Miśra's house, and there he was chanting and Caitanya Mahāprabhu was sending him prasādam. In that way he was passing his days. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu used to come and see him daily, and one day he died like this.",
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"content": "\n All right. That's the end of the fourth act. Now the fifth act...",
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"content": "\n Yes. This is the, in the fifth act, \"Ecstasy.\" At night Caitanya Mahāprabhu would become mad in separation of Kṛṣṇa. He would dash His head on the floor. Sometimes He would write with His nails, and sometimes He would go away. Although the house was locked, He would go away, and sometimes He would be found amongst the cowshed of Jagannātha Purī. Sometimes He would be seen in the seashore.\nOne day it was so found that He fell in the ocean and some fisherman caught Him on the net. And as soon as He was in the net and the fisherman touched Caitanya Mahāprabhu, he also began to dance, \"Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare.\" And his brothers, his fellow men, thought, \"Oh, he's caught ghost, haunted.\"\nSo in the meantime, His secretary, Dāmodara Svarūpa, came to the seashore and he saw that the fisherman was dancing. Then he could understand that he must have some connection with Caitanya Mahāprabhu, [laughs] otherwise why this fisherman is dancing and \"Hare Kṛṣṇa\"? Then asked him, \"What has happened to you?\" He said, \"Sir, I do not know. I am a fish-catcher. Now this morning I caught one big fish, and as soon as I caught I am haunted. So I am dancing.\"\nSo Svarūpa Dāmodara, \"Where is that fish, big fish? Let me see.\" So he saw in the net Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He saw Caitanya Mahāprabhu, then he told him, \"Yes. I'll chant some mantra so the ghost will go away.\" So he made him some show. \"All right. Now your ghost is over.\"\nSo he took away Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and when Caitanya Mahāprabhu saw, He told Svarūpa Dāmodara, \"Why you have brought Me in the seaside? Oh, I was seeing rāsa dance of Kṛṣṇa. I was enjoying.\" In this way He was always in ecstasy.\nAnd in the last stage, the same ecstasy, He entered Jagannātha temple and He never came back. That is the end of [voice trails off] Caitanya Mahāprabhu's... So you have to [indistinct] scenes and sounds. That's all.",
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"content": "\n Uh, now... In ecstasy here on the seashore, I don't understand. He met this fisherman. On the seashore?",
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"content": "\n No! He, at night, out of His own accord, He came to the seashore and fell on the sea.",
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"content": "\n Oh, He threw Himself in the ocean.",
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"content": "\n In the ocean. Bay of Bengal. And the fishermen, they came to catch fish. So instead of fish, Caitanya Mahāprabhu's body was in the net.",
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"content": "\n Oh, I see.",
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"content": "\n He already dropped Himself on the sea.",
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"content": "\n He was unconscious.",
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"content": "\n Unconscious. He was rolling in the sea.",
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"content": "\n So they brought Him out and some of His friends went to find Him.",
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"content": "\n Not all. His secretary. Because he knew that Caitanya must have gone somewhere. So while inquiring where is Caitanya Mahāprabhu, when he came to the seashore he saw that the fisherman was dancing. Then he could understand, \"He is dancing with Hare Kṛṣṇa, that means he must have some connection with Caitanya Mahāprabhu.\"",
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"content": "\n Oh.",
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"content": "\n Then when he inquired, he told him that \"I have caught this morning a big fish, and since then I am dancing. I do not know. I got mad. Perhaps I have been caught by some ghost. So I do not know.\" So Svarūpa Dāmodara, just to pacify him, \"Yes. I am just driving away ghoul, mean to say, ghost. Don't worry. Where is that fish? Let me see it.\" And when he saw that fish was caught in the net, and it was Caitanya Mahāprabhu.",
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"content": "\n Now the second scene here, this is when Caitanya on the seashore, this is when He would walk around saying, \"Where is Kṛṣṇa?\" Is that right? \"Where is Kṛṣṇa\" He would...",
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"content": "\n Yes. He was seen on the seashore within the net after being caught by the fisherman. And when He fell on the sea, that is not seen. You can make a scene that Caitanya Mahāprabhu is coming, \"Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare...,\" and fall down in the sea. Then He was caught by the net of the fisherman.",
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"content": "\n And what is the second scene?",
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"content": "\n This is the second scene I have described. First scene and second scene.",
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"content": "\n The first scene also.",
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"content": "\n They are all. First, second scene, they are all ecstasies. Yes. And the third scene, similarly...",
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"content": "\n Wait. He must be around..., in His forties now. This is in His forties.",
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"content": "\n Yes. These ecstasies were going on daily from His age thirtieth to forty-eighth year.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-eight to forty-eight, every day.",
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"content": "\n Not thirty-eight. Thirtieth.",
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"content": "\n Thirtieth.",
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"content": "\n Thirty to forty-eight. Eighteen years. Sometimes He was chanting, sometimes He was falling, sometimes He was going there. That was His business all eighteen years.",
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"content": "\n Every day?",
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"content": "\n Every day. Especially at night. [Hayagrīva laughs] Simply... The whole program was the whole day He would see the visitors. And so many visitors were coming. In the evening He'll chant and dance in the temple. And at night, instead of sleeping He was doing all these... Sometimes falling in the sea, sometimes here, sometimes there. That was His business.",
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"content": "\n I see. Now this third scene.",
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"content": "\n Third scene. In the same way, one day when He was forty-eight years old, He entered the Jagannātha temple...",
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"content": "\n And disappeared.",
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"content": "\n Disappeared. His friends outside waited and waited, and He never come back. That's all.",
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"content": "\n They never knew what happened to Him. They never found...",
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"content": "\n Yes, they knew that He was Kṛṣṇa; He has merged into the existence of Jagannātha.",
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"content": "\n He left. Took off. All right. Now no more. That's the end.",
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"content": "\n Now you write and I shall make some addition or alteration when you write. This is the synopsis and framework. Now you can proceed. [end]",
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"content": "\n [Sings Jaya Rādhā-Mādhava] [prema-dhvani] Thank you very much.",
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"content": "\nAll glories to Śrī Guru and Gauranga. [devotees offer obeisances]",
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"content": "\nGet some books, more books. Incense. Burn more incense. [indistinct] [Hums, sings] Thank you.",
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"content": "\n Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. [Prabhupāda and devotees repeat] [leads chanting of verse, etc.]",
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"content": "\n\ndharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra paramo nirmatsarāṇāṁ satāṁ\nvedyaṁ vāstavam atra śivadaṁ tāpa-trayonmūlanam\nśrīmad-bhāgavate mahā-muni-kṛte kiṁ vā parair īśvaraḥ\nsadyo hṛdy avarudhyate 'tra kṛtibhiḥ śuśrūṣubhis tat-kṣaṇāt\n[SB 1.1.2]\n[indistinct] Try.\ndharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra paramo nirmatsarāṇāṁ satāṁ\nvedyaṁ vāstavam atra śivadaṁ tāpa-trayonmūlanam\nśrīmad-bhāgavate mahā-muni-kṛte kiṁ vā parair īśvaraḥ\nsadyo hṛdy avarudhyate 'tra kṛtibhiḥ śuśrūṣubhis tat-kṣaṇāt\n[SB 1.1.2]\nTry once more.",
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"content": "\n[with Prabhupāda]\ndharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra paramo nirmatsarāṇāṁ satāṁ\nvedyaṁ vāstavam atra śivadaṁ tāpa-trayonmūlanam\nśrīmad-bhāgavate mahā-muni-kṛte kiṁ vā parair īśvaraḥ\nsadyo hṛdy avarudhyate 'tra kṛtibhiḥ śuśrūṣubhis tat-kṣaṇāt\n[SB 1.1.2]",
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"content": "\n So śrīmad-bhāgavate mahā-muni-kṛte. Śrīmad-Bhāgavata is not some materialistic philosopher's or writer's, as you have got..., they are called grāmya-vastavaḥ. Grāmya-vastavaḥ means ordinarily these affairs. A man is meeting woman, woman is meeting man—that story, all these novels and fiction and dramas.\nIt is not like that. Therefore it is said, mahā-muni-kṛte śrīmad-bhāgavate. It is not ordinary person's writing whimsical, some..., manufacturing some story, narration, and puzzling the brain. No. Śrīmad-bhāgavate mahā-muni-kṛte: it is beyond all defects of human life.\nWhen a ordinary person writes, he writes with defective instruments. First of all, any man within this world, however great he may be, he must commit mistake. That's a fact. There are many instances: simply for little mistake. Just like Hitler. Hitler planned so gorgeously winning over the world.\nA little mistake: as soon as his attention was diverted toward Russia, he was finished. The Britishers tried to divert his attention towards the Russia. Little mistake. Otherwise, Hitler would have come out victorious. There are many instances, in political field, in sociological field.\nSo however one man may be great, he must commit mistake. This is called conditional life. There is no man in this world who can say that \"I never committed any mistake.\" Is there any man? No. That is not possible. And he must be illusioned. Illusioned. What is that illusion?\nyasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke\nsva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ\nyat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile na karhicij\njaneṣv abhijñeṣu sa eva go-kharaḥ\n[SB 10.84.13]\nThis is illusion. Go-kharaḥ. Go-kharaḥ means animals: cows and asses. What is the fault of the animals? The animals, they cannot take nice instruction. They do not know that the soul is..., they are spirit soul, they are not this body. They do not know.\nSo this is called illusion. I am accepting this body as self. I am accepting my father or my son... \"Here is my son.\" What is that? \"This body.\" Now when the son is dead, he is crying, \"My son is gone. My son is gone. Oh, my son, where you have gone?\" Well, why you are crying? Here is your son. Here is your son, lying on the floor. Why you are crying that \"My son is gone, gone, gone\"? \"No, no, no. My son is gone.\"\nThis is illusion. He was all along illusioned to accept this body as his son. But at the time of death, he can understand that \"The body was not my son. The son was a different thing which was within the body.\" So this is conditional life. Everyone is thinking, \"I am this body.\" Everyone is committing mistake. Illusion and mistake.\nThen another thing is cheating. So many rascal philosophers and scientist, they have no knowledge, accurate knowledge, but they are writing books. This is cheating. If you do not know what is what, why you are misleading others by writing books? No. He is making money. So cheating. Cheating, illusion, committing mistake. Three.\nAnd fourth: that the senses imperfect. They are gathering knowledge through senses. I see... I want to see personally: \"All right, put up the light. Now see.\" That is your seeing power. You see under condition. Therefore your seeing power is imperfect. Your thinking power is imperfect.\nSo every sense... We are gathering knowledge by the imperfect senses. We are seeing every day, morning, the sun, which is bigger than this earth by fourteen thousand..., fourteen hundred thousand times, and we are seeing just like a plate. If he's not informed by an authority when he goes to school... The teacher of geography, when he informs, \"My dear boy, the sun is very, very big,\" then he can understand.\nI am seeing that the one aeroplane is running very fast, flying in the sky. A child sees, \"Oh, such a big thing. How it is flying?\" He does not know that this machine is not flying independently. There is a pilot. Without this pilot, all this mechanical arrangement is simply void. If that aeroplane is kept down for many thousands of years with all the machine complete, it has no power to fly unless there is a expert pilot who pushes on the button, it will fly. So therefore imperfect senses.\nJust like they do not see, the so-called scientist, philosophers, they don't see that who is pushing on this button. This material world is going on. Jagat. Jagat means going on. Gacchati iti jagat. Every planet is going on. This planet is going on. One thousand miles per hour, going on. The sun is moving sixteen thousand miles per second. This is called jagat. Everything is going on. Your motorcar is going on. You are going on. We have a big city, especially in Europe, America, simply going on. This way, this..., whoosh-whoosh-whoosh. No rest. This is called jagat.\nWhere he is going on? You have heard Rabindranath Tagore, poet Tagore. He wrote one article that \"When I was in London I saw the people are walking very fast, the cars are going very fast. But I was thinking that 'This England is a small island; they may not fall down on the sea.' \" [laughter] If you let loose your dog, it will go on this way, this way, this way, this way, this way. [laughter] This is jagat, going on. Going on, but condition: \"You cannot go beyond this.\"\nJust like these so-called scientists are going to the moon planet and coming back—because conditioned. You have to remain where you are placed by your karma. You cannot move. I cannot move beyond this body. Therefore our senses are all imperfect. We think that \"I have got my legs; I can walk very fast.\" No. You cannot go fast as it is destined by you. Relative. This is called relative world.\nTherefore, here it is said that this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is not written by such rascal who is sure to commit mistake, who is sure to become illusioned, who is sure to cheat others and whose senses are imperfect. This is the meaning. Śrīmad-bhāgavate mahā-muni-kṛte. How it is? Vyāsadeva writing...\nFive thousand years ago this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam was written, and he is describing Lord Buddha's incarnation. Kīkaṭeṣu bhaviṣyati. Sura-dviṣām. Sammohāya sura-dviṣām, buddho nāmnāñjana-sutaḥ kīkaṭeṣu bhaviṣyati [SB 1.3.24], he's writing. Bhaviṣyati means in future tense.\nLord Buddha appeared on this planet 2,600 years ago, and this book was written 5,000 years ago, and indicating that Lord Buddha incarnation of Keśava will appear in the Bihar province, Kīkaṭeṣu, Gayā Pradesh, near Gayā. This Gayā city is still there. And five thousand years ago, either the Gayā city was there or it was predicted that there will be city of the name Gayā. In that province, Lord Buddha, as the son of Añjanā—his mother's name, Añjanā—he will appear to cheat the atheist.\nLord Buddha appeared to cheat the atheist. \"Oh, God comes to cheat?\" Yes. Sometimes required. Just like one little child has taken away from the pocket of his father one-hundred-dollar bill, and he's going to tear it. And the father says, \"Oh, my son, what you will do with this paper? You take these lozenges.\" And the lozenges is worth one cent. So he's cheated, giving him one-cent-worth thing and he's taking hundred dollars, \"Give me.\" But that is not cheating. That is required. Sometimes a child requires to be cheated to save him from some..., making mischievous activities.\nSo when God cheats you... Just like I was speaking while coming, Vāmanadeva cheated Bali Mahārāja. Bali Mahārāja thought that \"I am the king of the whole universe.\" The Vāmanadeva came: \"My dear Bali Mahārāja, you are so charitable man. Will you kindly give Me three feet of land?\" The proprietor has come to beg. This is cheating. This is cheating. Chalayasi vikramaṇe balim adbhuta-vāmana. Chalayasi. Chalayasi means cheating.\nchalayasi vikramaṇe balim adbhuta-vāmana\npada-nakha-nīra-janita-jana-pāvana\nkeśava dhṛta-vāmana-rūpa jaya jagadīśa hare\n[Śrī Daśāvatāra Stotra 5]\nSo because we are cheater in conditioned stage... Because that is my qualification, four qualifications. Conditioned life means we must have four disqualification. What is that? To commit mistake, to become illusioned, to become cheater and to possess imperfect senses. This is our qualification. And we want to write books and philosophy. Just see.\nOne does not consider his position. Andha. One man is blind, and he is saying, \"All right, come with me. I shall cross over the street. Come on.\" And if one believes, \"All right...\" He does not inquire that \"Sir, you are also blind. I am also blind. How you can help me crossing over the road?\" No. He is also blind. This is going on. One blind man, one cheater, is cheating another blind man, cheating.\nTherefore my Guru Mahārāja used to say this material world is a society of cheaters and cheated. That's all. Combination of cheater and cheated. I want to be cheated because I don't accept God. If there is God, then I become responsible for my sinful life. So therefore let me deny God: \"There is no God,\" or \"God is dead.\" Finished.\nTherefore somebody comes, \"Yes, I am God.\" \"Oh, sir, you are God? Yes. That's all right.\" Because he wanted to be cheated, so somebody comes and declares himself that \"I am God,\" and he is cheated. We cannot accept such God. We shall say, \"Oh, you are God? All right, you lift this hill first of all with your finger. Then I shall accept you God.\"\nWe don't accept such so cheap God. The rascals may accept some cheap God. No, we don't accept. We accept Kṛṣṇa. Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1]. Brahmā said, \"God is here, Kṛṣṇa.\" Brahmā is the original person who distributes knowledge, Vedic knowledge. So we accept Kṛṣṇa. The Brahmā has said. And we see, \"Yes. He is God. He is lifting hill. He is killing Pūtanā at the age of three months old only. A seven-years-old boy is lifting hill.\"\nSo God must execute uncommon acts; otherwise, how shall I accept God if He's like me? Kṛṣṇa devoured the whole forest fire. His friends appealed, \"My dear Kṛṣṇa, there is fire.\" The cows were crying. Kṛṣṇa said, \"Don't worry.\" Boy of six years old. So that is God.\nWe accept Rāmacandra as God. He brought big, big stones and floated over the ocean. Does a stone float over the ocean? Yes, it floats under the order of God. He can.... He can do it. The law of gravitation will not act there. He can change. You can see. Million tons heavy, this earth, so many hills, and Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean—it is floating in the air just like a swab of cotton. You are explaining \"weightlessness,\" but that's all right. But you float such thing. You can say so many things.\nTherefore we should accept knowledge from such person who is beyond these four defects of conditional life. What is that? Illusion, mistake, cheating and imperfectness. So Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is that proof. As I told you, that 2,500 years ago, or 5,000 years ago Vyāsadeva wrote about Lord Buddha's appearance. Still, there is appearance of Kalki from this time, henceforward, after 400,000's of years Kalki will appear. And his name, his father's name, the place where he will appear, that is mentioned in the Bhāgavata.\nThat means tri-kāla-jña. Mahā-muni, he is liberated. He is incarnation of God. He knows past, present, future and everything. That knowledge is perfect. One who knows past, present and future perfectly, we should take knowledge from him. That is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, that we don't accept any knowledge from a person who is defective in so many ways. And what is the value of such knowledge?\nHe is defective. \"Physician heal thyself.\" A physician suffering from fever, and if I go there, \"Sir, I am also feverish. Treat,\" what is the use of such treatment? His brain is already puzzled. What he can treat? The doctors also, when he become sick, he does not treat himself. He calls another doctor friend to treat him. That is the fashion.\nSo similarly, one who is imperfect, one who is subjected to so many defects of life, we cannot accept knowledge from them. This is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. We don't accept. We accept knowledge from the Vedas, which is perfect. As I have several times explained, that Veda says that stool of animal is impure.\nAgain, Veda says that the stool of cow is pure. Now, you will say, \"Oh, this is contradictory. Sometimes it is said pure, and sometimes... This cow is also animal. First of all you said that the stool of any animal is impure, and again you say the cow dung, the stool of another animal, is pure.\" It is fact—it is pure. So if we accept the standard perfect knowledge from the Vedas, or one who knows the Vedas, then our knowledge is perfect.\nTherefore in the Bhagavad-gītā Kṛṣṇa says,\ntad viddhi praṇipātena\nparipraśnena sevayā\nupadekṣyanti te jñānaṁ\njñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ\n[Bg. 4.34]\nOne who has seen the Absolute Truth, or one who has known the Absolute Truth, go there and take knowledge by surrendering. Praṇipātena. Praṇipāta means surrendering. Paripraśnena. Don't make question, waste his time. After you surrender, after you render service, then make question. Otherwise, there is no need of question. Don't waste your time, don't waste his time.\nAn outsider has no right to put any questions, because he is not surrendered. And a spiritual master is not obliged to answer anyone except to his disciple. This is the Vedic way. Don't waste time for unnecessary questions and answers. But we have to do something sometimes. But that is not the way—unless one surrenders fully, praṇipātena, and renders service. Service means whatever the spiritual master wants, \"You do this,\" you must do it, just like a menial servant. Nīcavat. Nīcavat.\nOf course here, in your country, there is no... In India there is a śūdra class. They are..., generally they are servant, servant class. That is called nīcavat. So servant class... A brahmacārī living at the care of spiritual master, he is advised that \"You shall carry out the orders of your spiritual master nīcavat, just like the śūdra class.\" Because a person coming to spiritual master, they are coming from brāhmaṇa family or kṣatriya family or high caste family. But he may say, \"Oh, I am coming from a brāhmaṇa family, and my spiritual master is ordering to brush his shoes? Oh, how can I do?\"\nTherefore it is advised nīcavat. When you are serving spiritual master, you should always think that \"I am lowest of the animals.\" Nīcavat. In that condition you can simply inquire. Otherwise, you have no capacity. There is no need of wasting time, because he will not understand. He will unnecessarily...\nPraṇipāta. Praṇipāta means surrender. So nobody wants to surrender, especially in this material world. Everyone thinks, \"Oh, I am the lord. I am the monarch of all I survey. Why shall I surrender?\" Independent. Especially in the Western countries. They are refusing to surrender to the social laws, to the king's law, everything.\nBut here is the process: surrender. Surrender means everyone is puffed up with some so-called knowledge, and he thinks that \"I am perfectly all right. My knowledge is perfect. Why shall I surrender?\" But if you want to receive knowledge actually from the person who has actually knowledge, then you must surrender there. This is the process.\nJust like Vyāsadeva first of all: paraṁ satyaṁ dhīmahi. This is surrender. Surrender. Without surrender, we cannot get knowledge. And in another... There are many places. Jñāne prayāsam udapāsya namanta eva [SB 10.14.3]. To understand the..., God, understand God, Brahmā says, jñāne prayāsam udapāsya. Leaving, giving up this nonsense habit of speculation, \"God is like this, God is like that,\" prayāsam, jñāne prayāsam.\nThe jñānīs, they are discriminating, \"No, this is not God.\" The scientists, they will say, \"This is the fact.\" And then, one year after, \"No, this is not fact. Now we have improved, another.\" And again, three years after, they will say another. There is no standard knowledge. What is the final knowledge, they do not know. Therefore these kind of speculative habits or scientific research is simply waste of time. They cannot understand what is the ultimate truth.\nThen Vedic injunction is, jñāne prayāsam udapāsya: \"Give up this nonsense habit, speculation.\" Namanta eva: \"Be submissive. Admit that you do not know anything. You have to learn from the person who knows.\" Jñāne prayāsam udapāsya namanta san-mukharitāṁ bhavadīya-vārtām. \"Then what shall I...? All right. I shall not speculate. I have become humble now. Now what to do?\" San-mukharitāṁ bhavadīya...: \"Just try to learn about God from the devotee, pure devotee.\" San-mukharitāṁ bhavadīya-vārtām.\nSo in this way we can understand God. That is the process. Arjuna, when he was hearing from Kṛṣṇa, he also surrendered, although he was His friend, very intimate friend, always sitting together, eating together, lying together, talking together. He also accepted Kṛṣṇa, śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam [Bg. 2.7]: \"I am surrendered unto You, my dear Kṛṣṇa. I have become Your disciple. Please teach me.\" So this is the Vedic process. This is the Vedic process. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Janmādy asya yataḥ satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi [SB 1.1.1].\nSo the... If you, instead of making speculation, if you simply surrender to Vyāsadeva, his writings, śrīmad-bhāgavate mahā-muni-kṛte, then the result will be kiṁ vā paraiḥ: you do not require to study any other literature. The result will be, if you surrender to the study of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that Īśvara, the supreme controller, sadyo hṛdy avarudhyate...\nĪśvara is already there, but here it is used, the word avarudhyate, \"He is locked up.\" He wants to be locked up. Kṛṣṇa, Paramātmā, He wants to be, but we don't care. But by reading Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, by discourses in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, īśvara sadyaḥ, immediately, hṛdy avarudhyate.\nBut in whose heart He becomes locked up? Kṛtibhiḥ. Kṛtibhiḥ means those who are pious. Those who are sinful, they cannot. Kṛtibhiḥ śuśrūṣubhiḥ. Two things: he must be pious. That pious, piety, as soon as he surrenders... Just like Kṛṣṇa says... Piety, it is not that \"Then I have to become pious first of all; then I shall understand Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nSo it will take long time.\" No. It will take tat-kṣaṇāt, in a second. In a second. How? Simply by surrender. As soon as you surrender, immediately you become pious. How immediately? Yes, Kṛṣṇa says,\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja\nahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo\nmokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ\n[Bg. 18.66]\nSarva-dharmān... As soon as you surrender: \"Kṛṣṇa, I was misled so long. Now, today, I am surrendering unto Your lotus feet. Now, if You like, You kill me or protect me, as You like,\" then everything is all right.\nThank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances]\n[kīrtana] [end]",
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"content": "\n\nke yūyaṁ pratiṣeddhāro\ndharma-rājasya śāsanam\nūcur niṣedhitās tāṁs te\nvaisvasvata-puraḥ saraḥ\n[SB 6.1.32]\nSo the constables of Yamarāja inquired from the Vaikuṇṭhadūta, the messengers of Vaikuṇṭha, that yūyaṁ pratiṣeddhāraḥ: \"Why you are interrupting in our business?\" Pratiṣeddhāraḥ. Pratiṣeddhāraḥ means the opposite element.\n\"Why you are opposing? We are Yamadūta. It is our duty to take away a sinful man, sinful soul, like Ajāmila, who was simply acting misdeeds throughout his whole life. Now, at the end of his life, we are authorized to take him to the Yamarāja. Why you are preventing us? Why you are interrupting in our business?\"\nkasya vā kuta āyātāḥ\nkasmād asya niṣedhatha\nkiṁ devā upadevā vā\nyūyaṁ kiṁ siddha-sattamāḥ\n[SB 6.1.33]\nSo because the Viṣṇudūtas were very beautiful, four-handed, exactly resembling Lord Viṣṇu... As I have explained, in the Vaikuṇṭhaloka all the inhabitants, their feature of the body are exactly like Lord Viṣṇu, four-handed, with conchshell, lotus flower, club and disc. So they never saw Viṣṇudūta before, these Yamadūtas, because they go in an atmosphere where sinful activities are executed. But this time they were astonished, that \"How these beautiful personalities are here?\"\nKiṁ devā upadevā vā yūyaṁ kiṁ siddha-sattamāḥ. So, \"Will you kindly let us know wherefrom you are coming? Are you coming from the Siddhaloka planet or heavenly planet?\" Because in the material world nobody knows that there is a spiritual sky beyond this material sky...\nAs it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, paras tasmād tu bhava anyaḥ [Bg. 8.20]: \"There is another nature.\" This is one nature, material nature, where millions and trillions of universes are clustered together in the corner of the spiritual sky. This is only one universe, within which there are innumerable planets. But there are millions and trillions of universes also. That is material creation.\nMaterial creation means one-fourth part of the whole creation. Three-fourths part is spiritual creation. Ekāṁśena sthito jagat [Bg. 10.42]. Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, \"This whole material world is existing in one fourth of My energy.\" Kiṁ devā upadevā vā bhṛśaṁ kiṁ siddha-sattamāḥ.\nSarve padma-palāśākṣāḥ. They were very much satisfied by seeing the Viṣṇudūtas. Just like in your country they are very much satisfied by seeing your face. They have named you \"bright-faced.\" Why? You are naturally very beautiful, but they understand, your countrymen, that you have become more beautiful by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That's a fact.\n[aside:]: You can sit down there. This is disturbing.\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so nice that naturally it will make you beautiful—not black-faced, not morose—beautiful face. That is the sign of spiritual advancement. By the face you'll understand that \"Here is a man who is spiritually advanced.\" Pratyakṣam avagamaṁ dharmyam [Bg. 9.2]. This process of spiritual consciousness can be directly perceived.\nIt is not theoretical: \"Oh, I am a very great devotee.\" No. Simply theoretical understanding, \"I am a great devotee...\" From the very face it will be understood. Face is the index of mind, how you are thinking. If you are thinking of Kṛṣṇa always, then your face will be beautiful. Therefore it is called pratyakṣam avagamaṁ dharmyam, direct perception. There is no theoretical. It is practical. Pratyakṣyam avagamaṁ dharmyaṁ su-sukham.\nThen to become such spiritually advanced, is it very difficult task? No. Su-sukham: very easily and very happy. How it is happy? Happy because this spiritual consciousness is developed by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. That is very pleasing. With music, with musical instrument we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. There is no trouble. Even a child can take part, experience. A child also claps; he also dances. So what can be easier method than this?\nAny other method you take, you have to exercise, you have to tax your brain, press your nose, or so many other things. But here automatically you chant before ārātrika and you become spiritually enlightened. Even the child becomes. Therefore it is susukham, very happy to execute. Susukham kartum avyayam [Bg. 9.2]. And whatever you do, little, that becomes a permanent asset, avyayam. It is never to be vanished. Even one percent of devotional service you execute, it will help you again to begin from that point.\nSo here is a description of the Vaikuṇṭha-puruṣā. Sarve padma-palāśākṣāḥ [SB 6.1.34]: \"Your eyes are so beautiful, just like petals of the lotus flower.\" And pīta-kauśeya-vāsasaḥ: saffron and yellow, these two kinds of colors of garments, because... Those who are Māyāvādīs, impersonalists, they cannot understand that there is another, spiritual world and there are spiritual planets, and their inhabitants, their bodily features are like this, their dress are like... Everything is there. But unfortunate persons, they cannot understand. They think everything is here.\nThey are that kūpa-maṇḍūka, frog philosophy, that the frog in the well, he cannot understand beyond that well. Similarly, these materialistic persons, frog, they cannot understand that there is a Pacific Ocean, or spiritual world. They are satisfied with this well, three-cubic-feet well. That's all.\nAnd simply imagining, \"God may be like this, may be like this, may be like this, and therefore I am God.\" So God is so easy that \"Everyone is God. God is loitering in the street as daridra. God as Nārāyaṇa has become the poor, and I am so rich that I can provide Nārāyaṇa also.\" This is going on.\nSo, na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ [Bg. 7.15]. Persons who are very much influenced by this materialistic way of thought, āsuri-bhāvam āśritāḥ, such persons are always engaged in misdeeds, duṣkṛtina. Misdeeds. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ. Why they are engaged in misdeeds? Because mūḍha. They do not know what is the responsibility of this human form of life. They are simply wasting their life in animal propensities, mūḍha. \nMūḍha is the symbol of an ass. He does not know. The ass does not know why he is working so hard for the washerman. He carries a very heavy load, but he does not know, \"Why I am carrying so much heavy load?\" That is the symbol of an ass. If you work so hard, you must know what benefit you are deriving out of it. But the ass does not know.\nSimilarly, the karmīs, they are very busy, very busy accumulating wealth. But he does not know what for he is doing so, why he is so laboring hard. Ṛṣabhadeva says that this life, human form of life, is not meant for so much hard working.\nnāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke\nkaṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye\n[SB 5.5.1]\nWhy people are taught to work so hard? Simply for morsel of bread and little sense gratification. So Ṛṣabhadeva says that that is done by the hogs and dogs. Daily they are whole day and night working: \"Where is some food? Where is some stool?\"\nBut that human form of life is meant for that purpose, working hard, so hard like hogs and dogs simply for fulfilling the belly and having a sex life? No. So they should be taught for tapasya. \nnāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke\nkaṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye\ntapo divyaṁ putrakā yena śuddhyet...\n[SB 5.5.1]\nṚṣabhadeva was advising, instructing His sons, \"My dear boys, this life is meant for tapo-divyam, for spiritual realization, austerity. That should be taught.\"\nSo the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is teaching that tapa. Tapa means you have to accept voluntarily some difficulties. Actually, it is not difficulty, because... Just like somebody smoking, and we are advising, \"Don't smoke.\" The smoker may feel some inconvenience. But if he voluntarily suffers that inconvenience, that is called tapasya.\nActually he will not die, but because he is practiced to so many nonsense habits, he feels difficulty to give it up. From the birth he is not a drunkard, from birth he is not a smoker, but by bad association, so-called civilized association, he becomes a drunkard, he becomes a smoker, he becomes a woman hunter, he becomes a gambler—sinful life.\nSo to advance in spiritual life one has to give up all these sinful activities; otherwise it is not possible. Some rascal says that \"You can do whatever you like. It has nothing to do with your religiousness.\" This is nonsense. Religious life means to approach God, and God is pure. As it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān [Bg. 10.12]. Pavitra.\nKṛṣṇa is addressed by Arjuna, pavitram. In the Upaniṣad it is said, Īśopaniṣad, apāpa-viddham [Īśo mantra 8]. God cannot be infected by sinful activities. That is God's... Just like we are infected by sinful activities, God is not like that. There is Absolute. So He is always pure. So we have to make ourselves purified before we can approach the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nSo these are sinful activities: illicit sex life and meat-eating, unnecessarily killing the animals. Why should you kill animals? If God has given you so many nice foodstuffs—varieties of fruit, varieties of grain, sufficient milk—why should you take to this obnoxious foodstuff? But it is ill luck, unfortunate. By ill association they'll learned all this nonsense. So therefore one has to give up these nonsense habits. That is called tapasya. Tapo divyam.\nWhy tapasya? Divyam: for spiritual realization. Why it is necessary? Tapo divyaṁ yena śuddhyet sattva. Your existence will be purified, because... Just like in diseased condition we cannot relish very palatable foodstuff. A man, jaundice, suffering from jaundice, if you give him something just like candy, sugar candy, he'll taste it as bitter because he is suffering from jaundice. But sugar candy is not bitter. Similarly, in our diseased condition, this material body, actually you cannot taste real happiness. That is not possible. Therefore we have to cure the disease.\nBhagavad-gītā therefore says curing the disease means janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-doṣa..., kleśa-doṣānudarśanam [Bg. 13.9]. Those who are actually advancing in spiritual life, they should always keep in front that \"We may advance in so many things, but these four things—birth, death, old age and disease—cannot be solved by our so-called material advancement of science.\" And Bhagavad-gītā points out that you should always keep these four principles of misery in front. Then you'll be able to advance in spiritual path.\nAnd if you become callous—\"Oh, death takes place. What is that?\"—why you should die? You are not subjected to death. Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg. 2.20]. Even after the destruction of this body you do not die. \"Then why should I accept this material body?\" This is intelligence. This is science. \"I do not want to be old. Why I become old?\" Nityaḥ śāśvato 'yam. Because the living entity is eternal, so why he should become old? Kṛṣṇa never becomes old. Kṛṣṇa's picture you have never seen old. Similarly, you also cannot become old.\nSo these questions do not arise. They are simply, I mean to say, engrossed with animal propensities—eating, sleeping, mating and defending—as if these are the problems. These are no problems. We have created these problems. Eating is no problem. The animals, they do not endeavor for doing some work for eating. Eating is already there.\nThe birds, beasts are eating. Similarly, human body, eating is there. For example, we are, these forty heads, we are traveling. So eating is already there. Before our coming, our Padubhai has arranged for our eating. So why should we think for eating? [laughter]\nSo..., but actually that is the fact. There is no problem of eating. They have created this problem. God has given enough food. In America they throw away foodstuff in the ocean. You see? This is nonsense. Because they have no Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they do not know that these food grains belong to Kṛṣṇa. He has sent. So instead of throwing in the ocean, it should be dispatched to the countries where there is scarcity.\nThere cannot be any scarcity. Pūrṇam idam [Īśopaniṣad, Invocation]. Everything created by God is sufficiently pūrṇam. Pūrṇāt pūrṇam. It is... There is arrangement of raining; there is arrangement of producing. We simply, so-called rascals, so-called politicians, they have created all this trouble for their political ambition. Just like our politicians created the Pakistan and Hindustan. So all the foodstuff is there in Pakistan. Rice is in East Bengal and wheat is in East Pakistan. So this Hindustan is in shortage, in short of wheat and rice.\nSo this is the creation of the politicians. By God's arrangement everything is complete. Therefore you have to change the whole consciousness of the people if you want to be happy. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nThank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances] [break]",
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"content": "\n You were talking about Ajāmila, and I would like to know what is the difference between the planetary systems that the earth here, or the universe, that is the planetary system the universe, or is there something beyond the planetary system which it is situated in? I do not not understand the difference between planetary system and the universe.",
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"content": "\n Universe is a covering just like a football, and within that, there are planetary systems. And these football-like universes, they are floating in the Virajā water, where Mahā-Viṣṇu is lying. So each universe is covered.",
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"content": "\n Like a coconut?",
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"content": "\n Eh? Yes.",
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"content": "\n Like a coconut half filled with water?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa koṭi. Jagad-aṇḍa. Jagad-aṇḍa means this universe, aṇḍa, round sphere. Koṭi. Koṭi means innumerable.\nyasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi-\nkoṭiṣv aśeṣa-vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam\n[Bs. 5.40]\nAnd in each of them there are innumerable planets, and each planet, the atmosphere is different from one another. Vibhūti-bhinnam. Just like sun planet. It is a different thing from this planet, but... And the moon planet is a different thing from this planet. And the scientists, they are thinking that the sun planet being fiery, there cannot be any living entity. No. There are. There are living entities. Their bodies are also fiery. Fire is also one of the elements. Here we have body with material elements. Major portion is earth, and their major portion is fire. So somewhere major portion is water.\nSo therefore there are vibhūti-bhinnam, different atmosphere. That is God's creation.\nyasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi-\nkoṭiṣv aśeṣa-vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam\ntad brahma niṣkalam anantam aśeṣa-bhūtaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.40]\nGovinda's bodily rays is brahma-jyotir. The impersonalists, by their ascending process they realize brahma-jyotir and they think, \"This is end.\" No. You have to go further, further. Brahmaṇo 'haṁ pratiṣṭhā, Kṛṣṇa says. \"I am the,\" what is called, \"reservoir, or the background of this brahma-jyotir.\" Background. Because Kṛṣṇa is there, therefore brahma-jyotir is there. You'll find always in Kṛṣṇa's picture there is an auri. It is called auri?",
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"content": "\n Aura.",
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"content": "\n When Kṛṣṇa appeared... I think the translation in Bhagavad-gītā begins that \"I am the source...\"",
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"content": "\n That \"I am the source of impersonal Brahman, which is eternal, and the constitutional position of ultimate happiness.\" Does that mean that because everything in the spiritual sky is situated in the brahma-jyotir, that therefore it is the position of ultimate happiness?",
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"content": "\n Or is it because Kṛṣṇa is situated in the spiritual sky, therefore the spiritual sky is the position where there is ultimate happiness to be found?",
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"content": "\n That is the understanding?",
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"content": "\n Yes. In the spiritual sky you will find happiness, real happiness. In the material sky there is no happiness. How it can be happiness, because the four things are there, janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi [Bg. 13.9]? If you think it is happiness in spite of your death, then you are a fool. You do not want to be a dead man, but you are forced to accept death. You do not want to become old man, but you are forced to accept. And these things, if you accept—happiness—that is your foolishness.\nVyādhi. Jarā-vyādhi, disease. If you are constantly suffering from various types of diseases and if you think that you are happy, that is another foolishness. Therefore Bhāgavata says, parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam [SB 5.5.5], that \"All the foolish persons who are born foolish, all their activities are defeat for them unless they are enlightened to inquire about ātma-tattvam.\"\nSo in the modern education there is no department for inquiring about ātma-tattvam. And they are proud of advancement of learning. But Bhāgavata says, parābhava: \"These are all defeat.\" They do not know what is ātmā, what is ātma-tattva. They are identifying, \"I am this body.\" \"I am Indian,\" \"I am American,\" \"I am Gujarati,\" \"I am Bengali,\" \"I am this,\" \"I am that.\"\nYasyātmā-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke, sa eva go-kharaḥ [SB 10.84.13]. Anyone who identifies himself with this body, he is nothing but ass and cow. And that is going on. We are fighting, nations and nations, community and community, religious party and religious party—because due to the misidentification of body.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa consciousness begins when one is above this bodily concept of life. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. These are upādhis, designations. So these Kṛṣṇa conscious boys and girls, they are no longer thinking that \"I am American,\" \"I am Canadian,\" \"I am French,\" \"I am German.\" No. \"I am Indian.\" No. They know certainly that \"I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. I am eternally servant of Kṛṣṇa.\" And that is our real identity. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. They are no more interested to be identified as American or European. And this is knowledge. And this is mukti. If one is under the misconception that \"I am American,\" \"I am Indian,\" then how there is mukti? There is no mukti. Mukti means svarupena avasthiti: to stay in his own constitutional position. That is called mukti.\nSo this movement is very important movement. Everyone should seriously study and execute this. Don't be carried away by the illusory ideas of material existence. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. It is very easy. If you simply chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]—immediately all the misconception within your heart will be cleansed. This is misconception: \"I am this body.\" \"I am American,\" \"I am Indian,\" \"I am brāhmaṇa,\" \"I am Gujarati,\" \"I am Bengali.\" These are all misconceptions. You are part and parcel of God, Kṛṣṇa. That is your identity.\nSo that can be realized. The easiest process is this chanting Hare... Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. And next stage is that the blazing fire of this material existence will be extinguished immediately. Here in our disciples you will find Americans, Europeans, Japanese, Africans. They are all absorbed in Kṛṣṇa thoughts, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. They have lost all these misgivings, upādhi, designation, nonsense designation. The nonsense designation is the cause of their bondage.\nSo let us realize that we are not this, not this. We are eternally... Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu immediately says, gives to you the highest philosophy, jīvera svarūpa haya nitya kṛṣṇa dāsa [Cc. Madhya 20.108]. Taṭasthā-śakti jāta acintya bhedābheda-prakāśa. In two lines He has given the whole idea of jīva-tattva. Jīvera svarūpa haya nitya kṛṣṇa dāsa. You can explain in so many books these two lines. The real identity of the living entity is that he is eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n What is the second line? Jīvera svarūpa...",
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"content": "\n Jīvera svarūpa haya nitya kṛṣṇa dāsa, taṭasthā-śakti acintya bhedābheda, taṭastha-śakti prakāśa. The jīva is the manifestation of the marginal potency of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa has many potencies. Parasya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8, Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport]—the Vedic injunction. The Absolute Truth has many varieties of energy.\nThose energies are consolidated into three divisions: spiritual energy, material energy and marginal energy. So these jīvas are products of this marginal energy, bhedābheda prakāśa. Bhedābheda means... Bheda means different, and abheda means one. So jīva is one and different simultaneous. He is one in quality; he is different in quantity.\nSo when you are free from all these designations,\nsarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ\ntat-paratvena nirmalam\nhṛṣīkena hṛṣīkeśa\nsevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate\n[Cc. Madhya 19.170]\nAt that time, when we are purified, when we have purified our senses, when in that sense we shall engage ourself in the matter of satisfying the owner of the senses, Hṛṣīkeśa—Kṛṣṇa is Hṛṣīkeśa—that is called bhakti. Bhakti is not a sentiment. Bhakti is practical, by purified senses. [end]",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nCome on.",
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"content": "\n One at a time.",
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"content": "\nOne at a time. [japa] Hmm. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Vince. Śruta-kīrti.",
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"content": "\n Śruta-kīrti. Whose activities are well famous. Come on. What are the rules?",
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"content": "\n No meat-eating, no illicit sex, no intoxication [indistinct]...",
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"content": "\n How many rounds you'll chant?",
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"content": "\n Around twenty.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n Around twenty.",
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"content": "\n All right. [japa] [break]",
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"content": "\nSudhamani.",
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"content": "\n Sudhamani. Sudhamani, yes. Brilliant night. You know the rules? That's all right. [japa]",
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"content": "\n Puravī. Puravī.",
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"content": "\n Puravī. Puravī means eastern, not western. [laughter] Come on.",
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"content": "\n Are these your beads? [devotee offers obeisances]\n Śrutadeva.",
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"content": "\n Śrutadeva. Śrutadeva means Viṣṇu. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Come on. You know the rules and regulation? Yes. [Śrutadeva offers obeisances] Come on. Next. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Yes. [japa]",
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"content": "\n Harikeśa.",
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"content": "\n Harikeśa. [Harikeśa offers obeisances] Harikeśa means hairs of God. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Hmm.",
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"content": "\n Ravindra-svarūpa.",
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"content": "\n Ravindra-svarūpa. \"Just like sunshine.\" Hare Kṛṣṇa. Come on. You know the rules and regulation? [devotees chanting japa] Come on. Who is it? Hmm. What is name?",
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"content": "\n Rohiṇīdevī.",
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"content": "\n Rohiṇīdevī. Rohiṇī is the mother of Balarāma. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Devamīda.",
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"content": "\n Devamīra.",
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"content": "\n Devamīra. [devotee offers obeisances] Vijaya-dvaja.",
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"content": "\n Vijaya-dvaja. Victory flag. Victory flag. His flag is victorious. Come on. Vijaya-dvaja. That means Kṛṣṇa. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [japa]",
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"content": "\n Madirā.",
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"content": "\nMadirā. Madirā means intoxication. [laughter] So you be intoxicated by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. So after performing yajña...",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] now?",
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"content": "\nI am going. They may come in my room.",
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"content": "\nAfter the yajña?",
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"content": "\nOkay. After the yajña the brāhmaṇas, those who are going to be second-initiated, can come to Prabhupāda's room to receive their threads.\nAll glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. [end]",
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"content": "\n ...humbler than the grass and tolerant more than the tree. Tṛṇād api sunīcena taror api sahiṣṇunā, amāninā mānadena [Cc. Ādi 17.31]. We have to give all respect to everyone. Even one has no respect, he should be also offered respect. In this attitude one can make advancement by chanting this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. That is the instruction of Lord Caitanya.\n[aside:] I was expecting you earlier because I speak in English for them. [speaks in Hindi with Indian men] So one who cannot understand English, they can hear that. [Hindi] Everyone is requesting to have a temple here. Some police officers, they are very much appreciating. [Hindi] [pause]\nSo Śrīdhāra Swami is very nicely explaining the omnipotency of chanting the holy name. So he says, tasmād idam upapannam iti tatrāha etāvad iti. If one takes shelter of the transcendental holy name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, he hasn't got to go through the dharma śāstras or abiding by the rules and regulation of different kinds of religious scripture. Etāvat. Etāvad iti. Simply by surrendering to the holy name.\nSo this is applicable in all ages, but especially in this age, because nobody can perform the ritualistic ceremonies of any religious principle. The people are so fallen that they cannot. So this hari-nāmānukīrtanam, it is not that it is manufactured for this age. No. This is potent in all other ages also, but especially it is potent because people in this age, they are unable to execute any religious principles very nicely.\nBhagavato guṇānāṁ karmāṇāṁ nāmnāṁ ca samyak kīrtanaṁ iti yat etāvatā puṁsām agha-nirṇayāya pāpa-kṣaya-mātrāya alam upayogo nāsti alam-śabdena atra varaṇe. So Śrīdhāra Swami especially stresses on the point alam, means \"It is forbidden. There is no necessity. Simply...\"\nThat is the version of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He said, ihā haite sarva-siddhi haibe tomāra [Caitanya-bhāgavata Madhya 23.78]. He also stresses that \"Simply by chanting, you will get all perfection.\" Yata amara-śṛṅgāḥ, alaṁ bhūṣaṇa-paryāpi śakti-varaṇa-vaśakam ity upayoga-bhavam eva ajāmilo mahā-pāpa-kṛd api nārāyaṇeti vikṛśya na tu samyak kīrtayitaḥ.\n[aside:] You can hear now.",
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"content": "\n Ajāmila, there was not pure saṅkīrtana. Just like we are advised when chanting the mantra, mahā-mantra, to avoid ten kinds of offenses. So Ajāmila had no such program. He never meant that he was chanting the holy name of Nārāyaṇa. This point is being stressed by Śrīdhāra Swami. He simply tried to call his son, whose name was Nārāyaṇa.\nThat was not practically kīrtana, but this very vibration, transcendent vibration, has got so potency that without following the rules and regulation of chanting the holy name, he became immediately released from all sinful reaction. That point is stressed here.\nAbhavan aśucir api niyamāna asustha-cittaḥ[?]. Not only he never meant for chanting the holy name; he was not only sinful, but he was practically in coma because he was dying. His all functions of the physical body was stopped, and he could not chant even properly. Still, he became released from all sinful reaction. At the time of death... Why death? Even in our sleeping condition we are out of our own control completely.\nSo Ajāmila was diseased and was almost on the verge of death, and he was calling his son only. Practically he had no program, but still, he became released, and what to speak of persons who are regularly chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra under principles and without any offense?\nAvṛtti-śraddhādi-viṣayas tu pāpa-vāsanā-kṣayārtham harer guṇānuvādaḥ khalu sattva-bhāvanaḥ [?]. So some way or other, if one is engaged in glorifying the activities... [Hindi aside] Harer guṇānuvādaṁ khalu sattva-bhāvanaḥ. So even with offense if... Because in the beginning everyone chants with offenses... But harer guṇānuvāda, the glorification of the Lord, is so powerful that simply by chanting constantly... Therefore we stress that so many rounds must be done. So many rounds must be done. That will protect him from contamination of this material world. Sattva-bhāvanaḥ. Sattva-bhāvanaḥ means his pure consciousness will gradually develop. Pure consciousness means Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nYadu-priya āvṛtaṁ tarhi dāruṣa, dāruṣābdi-smaraṇam iti tatrāha prāya... [etc., to:] ...tvayi noktam [reads long commentary in Sanskrit].\nŚrīdhāra Swami is explaining the next verse. Prāyeṇa veda tad idaṁ na mahājano 'yaṁ divya-vimohita-matir bata māyayālam trayyaṁ jaḍi-kṛta-matir madhu-puṣpitāyāṁ vaitānike mahati karmāṇi yujyamānāḥ [?]. People, if they are advised, as it, as it is actually advised... The question is why there are so many ritualistic ceremonial scriptures. Why? So the conclusion is that people are very much attached to any gorgeous method.\nIf you perform here in this temple a great sacrifice with hundreds of brāhmaṇas and chanting Veda mantra, people will be very much attracted immediately. They'll think, \"Oh, something very gorgeous is going on.\" You see? Why they are so? Now, vimohita-matir bata māyayālam. Because they are captivated by māyā, they cannot understand what is the potency of the holy name. They cannot understand. Therefore sometimes something very gorgeous ceremony is advised, just to attract them.\nTrayyaṁ jaḍi-kṛta-matir madhu-puṣpitāyām. Trayyam. Trayyam means Vedas. Veda is called trayi because there are three kinds of different processes: karma-kāṇḍa, jñāna-kāṇḍa and upāsana-kāṇḍa. So jaḍi-kṛta. Just like in India there is a section called Ārya-samājīs. They are very much attached to performance of these sacrifices. They say that \"We do not want anything. We shall simply chant the Vedic mantra.\" Of course, they cannot do it properly. That is also gone. Simply as a formality, they ignite some fire and, hither and thither, some mantra—finished. [laughter]\nEspecially in this age, these sacrifices are not possible. Our... There is a sannyāsī leader, many sannyāsī leaders, they attract people by this performance of yajña, although in this age yajña is not possible because there is no yajñic brāhmaṇa. The mantra... Perhaps you have seen in the Kumbha-melā some government officers were—they are also born in a brāhmaṇa family—and they are performing yajña.\nActually, the brāhmaṇas had so much power in those days that simply by mantra, they would ignite fire. That fire was not ignited by matches—by mantra. And the animal... Just like in medical science, in physiology sometimes experiment is made by plying the knife on some animal, similarly, how the yajña was being performed, that was tested by animal sacrifice.\nAnimal sacrifice was not meant for killing one animal and eating. No. That the animal, an old animal, should be put into the yajña fire and he'll come out a young, with a young body, that was the test how Vedic mantras were being chanted powerfully. That was the... Not that animal was to be killed there. No. Superficially it appears that animal is put and he is killed, but when the animal comes out of the yajña, that is the test of yajñic brāhmaṇa chanting the Vedic hymns correctly. That was the system.\nAnd because there is no such powerful yajñic brāhmaṇa at the present moment, therefore all kinds of yajñas are forbidden at the present moment. Kalau tad hari-kīrtanāt. Kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇuṁ tretāyāṁ yajato makhaiḥ [SB 12.3.52]. This is the injunction of the śāstra, that in the Satya-yuga, meditation on Viṣṇu... Now they have manufactured meditation in so many ways, but actually meditation means dhyāyato viṣṇu. Viṣṇu-mūrti, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, meditation, focusing the mind on the form of four-handed Viṣṇu, that is yoga.\nyaṁ brahmā-varuṇendra-rudra[-marutaḥ] stunvanti divyaiḥ stavair\nvedaiḥ sāṅga-pada-kramopaniṣadair gāyanti yaṁ sāma-gāḥ\ndhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ...\n[SB 12.13.1]\nYogina dhyānāvasthita, yaṁ paśyanti. Yam. Whom? The Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nSo kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇum. Perfection of life was attained in the Satya-yuga... Because in the Satya-yuga there is no disturbance. Every man is perfectly religious and peaceful, and therefore they could concentrate their mind focusing their mind on Viṣṇu. So this dhyāna, meditation, was possible in the Satya-yuga.\nKṛte yad dhyāyato..., tretāyāṁ yajato makhaiḥ. Then, next stage, next yuga is performance of sacrifices. People, the brāhmaṇas, were so powerful that they could give the desired result by performing sacrifices, and there were means of securing the ingredients. Just like tons of ghee is wanted. Where is ghee? It is all dalda. Where you can perform sacrifice? [laughter] Ghee is finished. You cannot secure even the ingredients. There is no qualified brāhmaṇa. Therefore yajña is not possible in this age.\nKṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇuṁ tretāyām..., dvāpare paricaryāyām [SB 12.3.52]. And gorgeous temple worship according to the principle was possible perfectly in the Dvāpara-yuga. Our this temple worship, Deity worship, we are following the principles of Deity worship because our ācāryas established temple, but main principle is chanting. Therefore, whatever we are doing—we are offering prasādam to the Lord, we are having maṅgalārati—the main principle is chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. This temple worship, it can be avoided, but we cannot avoid chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra.\nAs such, we have introduced in several centers that \"Begin with Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, keeping the picture of Guru-Gaurāṅga.\" If it is not possible to worship the Deity according to the rules and regulation, there is no need of establishing temple. But if there are devotees who can actually keep the temple worship method in right order, then... Otherwise, simple, by chanting, everything is complete.\nBut when there is temple worship, there is automatic purification because we have to rise early in the morning, we have to take bath. This kind of purification help..., is helped by temple worship. But when there is grossest type of people who cannot take to this, simply chanting will do. Hari nāmānukīrtanam. Kalau tad, kali... Kalau. Kalau means this age, that cleanliness is very difficult to maintain. Therefore kalau tad dhari-kīrtanāt. This is recommended.\nSo trayyāṁ jaḍi-kṛta-matiḥ. By the injunction of the Vedas, people are captivated. \"Oh, if I perform this yajña, then next life I'll be elevated to the heavenly planet, Svarga.\" Svargaloka mem. So madhu-puṣpitāyām. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. Veda-vada-ratāḥ pārtha nānyad astīti vādinaḥ [Bg. 2.42]. Those who are simply after the formulas of the Veda, they cannot understand. The same example: Even at the present moment, because here is temple, people are attracted. If you simply chant, very few people will come. Very few people will come. Therefore both things are recommended.\nTrayyāṁ jaḍi-kṛta-matiḥ. Their mind is so materialistic that they cannot give proper respect or importance to the chanting of the holy name. Trayyāṁ jaḍi-krta-matir madhu-puṣpitāyāṁ vaitāni ke mahati karmāṇi yujyamānāḥ [?]. They are... Generally, they are attracted for karma-kāṇḍīya vicāra. That is explained here. Puspitāyāṁ puṣpatanair artha-vādi-mano harāyāṁ trayyāṁ jaḍi-kṛta abhiniviṣṭa matir yasya ata eva mahaty eva karmāṇi agni-stomādau śraddhāya yujyamāno narake pravartate. If you do not arrange for this gorgeous system, people are not attracted. Therefore we have to do sometimes, to attract people, this gorgeousness. Otherwise, chanting of the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra without any offense is sufficient.\nTherefore our Guru Mahārāja introduced both the processes. This arca, arca, this is pañcarātriki-vidhi. According to pañcarātrika system, Nārada Pañcarātra, this worship of the Deity is there. And bhāgavata-mārga, the path of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, is simply śravaṇaṁ kīrtanam. Out of the nine processes recommended, śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ smaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam [SB 7.5.23], so up to śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ smaraṇam, that is bhāgavata-mārga. That is the best. And pāda-sevanaṁ arcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyam, that is pañcarātriki-vidhi.\nSo both the viddhis, both the systems have been introduced. One will help the other. That is the way. Simply bhāgavata-mārga... Just like in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, in the beginning, is simply śravaṇam—paraṁ satyaṁ dhīmahi; janmādy asya [SB 1.1.1]—smaraṇam, simply remembering, memorizing the Supreme Truth. But, of course, the pañcarātrika-vidhi is recommended in the Second Canto. That, another pañcarātrika-vidhi, is worshiping the gigantic form of the Lord. These things are there. But both, combined together, it is very much helpful, bhāgavata-mārga. Bhāgavata-mārga will help the pañcarātrika-mārga, or process, and the pañcarātrika process will help Bhāgavata process. Both together is helpful.\nTherefore my Guru Mahārāja introduced... You have seen the, what is called? That signia? One side, pañcarātriki-vidhi, one side bhāgavata-viddhi. That is... I have seen that Gauḍīya Math emblem. Yes. And so actually bhāgavata-mārga is very strong. That is sufficient. But without pañcarātrika-vidhi this polluted body, polluted mind of the devotee, cannot be purified. Therefore both the process should be adopted in preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.\nI think it is now... So any questions?",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? You said... When you were speaking of bhāgavata-vidhi, you said that of the nine devotional methods, it includes... I didn't understand which ones it includes, up to what point.",
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"content": "\n Śravaṇam kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ smaraṇam [SB 7.5.23]—this is bhāgavata-mārga. And arcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyaṁ sākhyam ātmā-nivedanam—that is pañcarātrika, arcanam. So out of the nine—nine, eight, seven, six, five—whatever you do, that is sufficient because absolute. Any item, even one item, you can, if you perform perfectly, that is sufficient. But there are nine alternative items.\nJust like Haridāsa Ṭhākura, he simply chanted, śravaṇaṁ kīrtanam. He did not establish any Deity, but he got perfection. There were many others. Just like Parīkṣit Mahārāja. At the last stage of his life he simply concentrated in hearing Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Śravaṇam. So if śravaṇa is perfect, that is sufficient. Any one of the nine items, if it is done perfectly, that is sufficient.\nParīkṣit Mahārāja, he did not go to the temple. He sat on the bank of the Ganges, and he was very serious because he knew that \"I am going to die within seven days. Let me finish as soon as possible simply hearing of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\" He was intelligent; otherwise... Not that simply he was hearing. He was questioning, as you have seen in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. So he was very scholar. It means as the spiritual master, Śukadeva Gosvāmī, was a great scholar in Sanskrit, the king was also a great scholar. Therefore quickly he was reciting, and he was understanding. And as soon as there was some difficulty, he was immediately questioning.\nSo both the spiritual master and the disciple, they became perfect simply by śravaṇaṁ kīrtanam. This is bhāgavata-mārga. Simply by hearing and chanting. The spiritual master chanted, recited Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, and that is being imitated. Again this karma-kāṇḍīya... This karma-kāṇḍīya vicāra, fruitive activities, the smārta brāhmaṇas, they have manufactured a way of bhāgavata-saptaha. That is a farce only, because it is imitation of the process adopted by Parīkṣit Mahārāja and Śukadeva Gosvāmī.\nBut they are... These people, at the present moment, they are neither Parīkṣit Mahārāja nor Śukadeva Gosvāmī. So how it is possible to finish Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam within seven days? That is not possible. It has become a profession, that gorgeousness. They will make a mañcha[?], they will perform some ceremonies and there is some charitable. The result is that the professional reciter will gather some money and some goods and he will maintain his family. That's all. And these people will take that \"I have heard for seven days Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\" Of course, there is some effect, but this is not recommended in anywhere in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that one has to hear Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam within seven days. No.\nSo far we see in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, it is said, nityam bhāgavata-sevayā. People should hear daily, regularly Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Why seven days? Regularly. Naṣṭa-prāyeṣu abhadreṣu nityaṁ bhāgavata-sevayā [SB 1.2.18]. Nityam, daily, regularly, if one hears and chants Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, then naṣṭa-prāyeṣu abhadreṣu, then the dirty things within his heart becomes almost cleansed.\nNow, just try to understand. By daily hearing... Because we are so much contaminated that it is very difficult to get us freed from the contamination, so nityam, regularly, there should be regularly class, hearing of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Naṣṭa-prāyeṣu abhadreṣu.\nnaṣṭa-prāyeṣu abhadreṣu\nnityaṁ bhāgavata-sevayā\nbhagavaty uttama-śloke\nbhaktir bhavati naiṣṭikī\n[SB 1.2.18]\nBy the process of cleansing our heart, our devotional temperament becomes fixed up on the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is called Uttama-śloka, who is glorified with first-class, I mean to say, Sanskrit stanzas. Uttama-śloka.\nJust like we pray, we offer prayer to Kṛṣṇa, govindam adi-puruṣam, cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-lakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam [Bs. 5.29]. These stanzas are not ordinary. It is very first-class composition, and written by..., written or offered by the first living creature, Lord Brahmā. Therefore Kṛṣṇa's name is Uttama-śloka. He is prayed with first-class composition.\nAll the ślokas, all the prayers we will find, they are not ordinary Sanskrit composition, as we have seen Bhīṣma's prayer to Kṛṣṇa, Kuntī's prayer to Kṛṣṇa in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. How philosophically they are elevated; how nicely they are composed. And because Kṛṣṇa is worshiped, God is worshiped by such kind of language and elevated poetical and rhetorical, all perfect, therefore His another name is Uttama-śloka.\nSo by studying, by hearing and chanting, reciting regularly of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, nityam... Not that we make a function for seven days, and all the days we do all nonsense. No. Regular habit should be there. Nityaṁ bhāgavata-sevayā bhagavaty uttama-śloke bhaktir bhavati naiṣṭikī. The result will be that our devotional service towards the Supreme Personality of Godhead will be fixed up, firmly fixed up. And that firmly fixed up means you are immediately elevated to the platform of sattva-guṇa, goodness. Sattva-guṇa. \nTato rajas-tamo-bhāvāḥ [SB 1.2.19], as soon as you are fixed up... The devotional service is so nice. As soon as you are fixed up, the other two qualities... To be fixed up in devotional service... Therefore we offer the brahminical position. One who is... When we see that \"This man is chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, and his bad habits, contaminated stage, is much improved, naṣṭa prāyeṣu...\" Prāyeṣu means almost he is purified. At that time he is fixed up in devotional service; therefore we offer the brahminical position, sacred thread.\nBecause a person who is fixed up in devotional service, he is a brāhmaṇa. He is a brāhmaṇa. He is no more any other, because he has cleansed almost the bad habits and the unclean state of mind. Naṣṭa prāyeṣu abhadreṣu. Just see. It is, whatever we are doing, it is all according to the śāstra. Not that he has completely become free, but naṣṭa prāyeṣu. Prāya means almost. Almost he has finished the contamination. Therefore he is fixed up. The first test is whether he is fixed up. As soon as he is fixed up, that means he is fixed up in the brahminical stage.\nMy Guru Mahārāja introduced the sacred ceremony because foolish people, they used to... Vaiṣṇave jāti-buddhiḥ. They used to consider Vaiṣṇava as belonging to some jāta, some particular caste. No. Vaiṣṇava is not in the particular caste. As soon as he is fixed up... He may be coming from the pāpa-yoni, from the most abominable family, but as soon as he is fixed up, immediately he is fixed up in the position of a brāhmaṇa because sattva-guṇa... Naṣṭa-prāyeṣu abhadreṣu. Naṣṭa... Tato rajas-tamo-bhāvāḥ [SB 1.2.19]. He has no more inclination to be attracted by the activities of tamo-guṇa and rajo-guṇa. They have no more attraction for drinking, no more attraction for meat-eating, therefore no more attraction for smoking, drinking tea.\nThis means that the rajas-tamo-bhāvāḥ, kāma-lobha, greediness. We are addicted to all these bad habits due to greediness. There is no other cause. A man will not die if he does not drink. A man will not die if he does not eat meat. He will not die. It is due to our greediness: \"I want.\" And lusty. The illicit sex means lusty. So rajas-tamo-bhāvāḥ means lustiness and greediness.\nSo when one is fixed up in devotional service, then tato rajas-tamo-bhāvāḥ kāma-lobhādayaś ca ye, ceta etair anāviddha. At that time, when he's fixed up in devotional service, his mind is not disturbed with all this nonsense coming out of the quality of ignorance and passion. Tato rajas-tamo-bhāvāḥ kāma-lobhādayaś ca ye, ceta etair anāviddha. Anāviddham means it is not attacked by this greediness and lustiness. Sthitaṁ sattve prasīdati: \"He is immediately in the sattva-guṇa, goodness. Therefore his mind is satisfied.\" These are the test. Mind is no more disturbance.\nAnd as soon as his mind is in tranquillity, evaṁ prasanna-manaso... [SB 1.2.20], because as soon as one is elevated to the sattva-guṇa platform, he becomes happy in his mental situation. Evaṁ prasanna-manaso. Unless one is situated in tranquillity of his mental position, one cannot understand the science of Kṛṣṇa. That is not possible. One must become satisfied. That satisfaction comes on the platform of sattva-guṇa, not in the platform of ignorance and passion.\nPeople are... They come... Mostly people, they are being conducted by passion and ignorance. Therefore they cannot understand. They say, \"Such and such person is greater than Kṛṣṇa,\" because they are captivated by ignorance. They do not know, and therefore talk so many nonsense. Unless we are freed from the rajas-tamo-bhāvāḥ... They advise, \"You can do whatever you like. You can eat whatever you like. Now you are liberated, you can indulge in all kinds of nonsense, but still, you are God. You are Brahman.\" These things are going on. How they can understand Kṛṣṇa? It is not possible.",
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"content": "\n Śrīla Prabhupāda? If they were more intelligent in previous ages, then why didn't they take to the chanting process? Why did they do it, the more difficult method, if they were more intelligent?",
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"content": "\n They do not care. They say, \"What is this chanting? Let me perform a big sacrifice.\" That is explained. Jaḍi-kṛta-matiḥ. They are so materialized, they do not understand the importance of chanting. For them, they should be called, \"Come on. Here is a big yajña. Bring three hundred pounds of ghee.\" \"Oh, it is something.\" You see? \"It is something.\"\nGorgeousness. They want gorgeousness. And people come to show them gorgeousness to cheat. Because although it is not possible to perform properly yajña, but people are..., want that, so there are many cheaters. They say, \"Oh, this yajña, that yajña, that yajña,\" and people will be attracted. Jaḍi-kṛta-matiḥ, materialized. Their brain cannot accommodate that the Hare Kṛṣṇa, this Kṛṣṇa name, is Kṛṣṇa. It is very difficult for them to understand.",
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"content": "\n Just you have told by chanting holy name one can attain the sattva-guṇa standard.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n But the many persons such as this, that the so-called vicāra, namely they introduce when the karma-kāṇḍa, and this is particularly difficult to get in this age. So how can we get these vicāra? By chanting holy name within two or three days we don't find that sort of blissful [indistinct]. I don't know how, what is this, but I [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Chanting... Chanting? What is your question?",
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"content": "\n Right now we have so many preachers, so many other kinds of preachers in India. Then how can they get rid of them just by chanting?",
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"content": "\n That is the difficulty. That is the difficulty. But you have to got little intelligent associate. Just like if you want to purchase something, once or twice you may be cheated. A third time, you are very intelligent. [chuckles] So even despite being cheated, you should try to find out who is the real preacher. That requires little intelligence.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] But these so-called spiritual preachers are looking at you, and immediately you go they will pounce over you. Where is the guarantee [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n Yes, there is such possibility. Yes.",
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"content": "\n I have discussed yesterday in the market. They were, \"You are chanting with this party. What interest you have got?\" I explained that \"The mass have forgotten Lord Kṛṣṇa, and we are importing the importance of Kṛṣṇa from USA.\" [laughs]",
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"content": "\n Yes, that... Yes. That is the fact. That is the fact.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] Then I told that \"Guru Mahārāja is Indian, but he has got no place in India. [indistinct] And it is the Western people who are teaching us how to serve Kṛṣṇa. If I learn something from them, what is wrong with it?\"",
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"content": "\n Their brain is full with hodgepodge. [laughter] You see? Brain is full with hodgepodge. They cannot understand clearly. Just see, the other day the boy was speaking that Aurobindo is greater than Kṛṣṇa. You see? How much misled they are. That is the difficulty in India. The so-called preachers, yogīs, they have filled up the brain with so many hodgepodge things that it is difficult for them. These boys in..., they had no such hodgepodge things. They accepted Kṛṣṇa as He is, and therefore their progress is very quick.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n And some people I have told that they are the friends of Kṛṣṇa...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Anyone, not only they. Anyone. Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Anyone who will accept this principle, he will be elevated. That's all. But his brain is filled, \"Then why Kṛṣṇa? Why not Aurobindo? He is greater than Kṛṣṇa.\" You see?",
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"content": "\n I don't think he is greater than Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n He has told only, \"Ahaṁ brahmāsmi.\"",
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"content": "\n Ahaṁ brahmāsmi... Not he says, but his disciple says.",
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"content": "\n These things are wrong then. What is wrong with guru?",
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"content": "\n And why you did not follow it, that \"Why? What we are...?\" Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu. As soon as he was addressed \"Kṛṣṇa,\" He was doing like this: \"Oh, what you are nonsense speaking?\" That should be done. He was enjoying: \"Yes. I am greater than Kṛṣṇa. Oh.\" Because he is leader of the fools, so he is a great fool. Because leader—a great man becomes leader—so he is a fool, so he is a great fool. That's all.\nCaitanya Mahāprabhu, by His practical... He was Kṛṣṇa Himself. So as soon as He was addressed that \"You are Kṛṣṇa...\" When He went to Vṛndāvana... The incidence is that people saw at night some light in Yamunā dancing. So people thought that \"Kṛṣṇa has again come, and He is curbing down the Kāliya.\" So people gathered. Every night they used to gather on the bank of the Yamunā, that \"Kṛṣṇa has again come.\"\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu had one personal assistant, Balabhadra. So he asked permission from Caitanya Mahāprabhu that \"Can I go and see Kṛṣṇa? So many people are going.\" And Caitanya..., \"Don't be foolish. Where is Kṛṣṇa?\" So next morning some people came to see Him, Caitanya Mahāprabhu asked them, \"How you have seen Kṛṣṇa?\" Then some intelligent person, \"No, no. It was all wrong impression. It was not Kṛṣṇa. Some fisherman was fishing at night and there was light. The light was dancing like that, and these people took that Kṛṣṇa is dancing.\"\nSo actually Kṛṣṇa was present during that time, because Caitanya Mahāprabhu is Kṛṣṇa. But He never said that \"I am Kṛṣṇa.\" He never said. When people addressed Him that \"You are Kṛṣṇa...\" Sanātana Gosvāmī some..., tactfully addressed Him, \"Kṛṣṇa.\" One who directly addressed Him, \"Kṛṣṇa\"—immediately He used to close His ears like this: \"Viṣṇu, Viṣṇu, Viṣṇu. Why you are speaking like that? Why you are addressing an ordinary man as Kṛṣṇa?\" This is the teaching.\nAnd if you say, \"Oh, Swāmī Mahārāja, you are Kṛṣṇa,\" and if I accept that \"Oh, yes, I am Kṛṣṇa,\" then I am greater fool. You are a fool, I am also fool. Is it not? How one can accept that he is Kṛṣṇa, he is greater than Kṛṣṇa? Then he's a greater fool. Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānāḥ [SB 7.5.31]: \"One blind man is leading many other blind men.\" And that is the position. We have got manufactured so many incarnation. Still, there are so many—this mother, that father, this, that, so many. You know prac... Yes.\nAll incarnation. All incarnation, they have congested together and spoiling the brain of the poor people. Every day incarnation. And there are many rascals, he says that \"I am Kṛṣṇa's incarnation, and rasa-līlā.\" You know? Yes. This rascaldom is going on, rasa-līlā. And people are so fool that they send their wife and their daughter for performing rasa-līlā. Things are going on like that.\nYou know the Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura's life? A similar rasa-līlā was going on. You know that story? Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was magistrate, and one person in Orissa, he declared himself that \"I am Viṣṇu,\" and in the village he was enticing young women and girls to dance at night. And some of them protested, and they lodged complaint to the government that \"This person is doing like that.\" And the government commissioner, he knew that Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, Kedāranātha Datta, was a very elevated, religious man, and he was magistrate. So the commissioner entrusted the inquiry to Kedāranātha Datta at that time.\nSo Kedāranātha Datta, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, took the matter and went to inquire at that..., in the village of Orissa, with some constables in plain dress. So when he went there... He had some yogic power, so immediately he could say, \"Oh, your name is Kedāranātha Datta. I know you are very good man, but don't be after me. You will not be happy. And I shall elevate you to become the king of this country. Don't be after me.\"\nNow, if anyone... He was Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, a strong devotee. If any other person would have been addressed like that, he would be immediately puzzled: \"How this man is talking about me, that I am Kedāranātha Datta, I am magistrate and...?\" So he would not do anything. But Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was so strong, he said, \"Yes. Thank you very much that I shall become king. So why don't you go to Jagannātha Purī and stay there? That is a nice pilgrimage, and you can stay there. Many holy men go there. Why you are in this village?\" He wanted to drive him away from that village.\n\"Oh, what is that Jagannātha? That is wood. I am Viṣṇu.\" As soon as he said, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura became fire: \"Oh, this rascal is like that.\" He immediately ordered, \"Arrest him. Arrest him.\" And he showed some fiery spark coming from his jāta. So the constables were hesitating to arrest him, but Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura ordered, \"Yes, immediately arrest him. Handcuff.\" So he took him away, arrested.\nAnd as soon as he returned home, all the members of his family were in fever, high degree fever, and Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura himself was in fever. He made some trick, yogic trick. So his wife began to cry: \"Oh, you have arrested one great yogī. He is Viṣṇu, and therefore we are now going to die. We are now...\" [laughter] So Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura: \"Yes, you die. All die. Still, what I have done is all right.\"\nThen when there is date for appearance in the court, in the court the man was brought, and yogī. You see? And Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura asked... Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was suffering still in fever. Still, he attended the court and asked the constables that \"Cut his jāta.\"",
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"content": "\n What is jāta?",
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"content": "\n Jāta is hair. Hair. Jāta. So no barber was available. [laughter] Because they knew that Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, after arresting, he is suffering from fever. Whole family is lying down in fever. So nobody came forward to cut his jāta. So Bhaktivinoda: \"All right, bring one scissor. I shall cut.\" So he personally cut, and personally cut, and that man became very thin immediately after cutting his jāta. He had some power in the jāta. And he ordered six months' imprisonment. And in the prison he managed to take some poison and die.\nSo devotees are so strong. They can know what is what. You see? He was not puzzled that \"He is Viṣṇu and this...\" No. So we should learn from the Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura's treatment that this jugglery or this so-called power is not..., no good for advancement in spiritual life. You have to follow the regulative principles as enjoined in the śāstra. Yaḥ śāstra vidhim utsṛjya. If you do not follow the injunction of the śāstra, then there is no possibility of attaining perfection. Na siddhiṁ sāvapnoti.\nSo our business is to accept a bona fide spiritual master, being guided by him, to follow the rules and regulation. Then advancement is sure. There is no doubt about it. And if we become hodgepodge and mix with hodgepodge and do hodgepodge, there is no progress. Na siddhim. It is clearly said by Kṛṣṇa, \"There is no question of perfection,\" na sukham, \"neither happiness,\" na parāṁ gatim, \"and what to speak of being promoted to the spiritual world? There is no...\"\nTherefore vaidhi-bhakti, as it is enunciated in the Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, Nectar of Devotion, by the Gosvāmīs, we shall try to follow as far as possible. Be sincere and hard-working. Then the success is sure. Not to be bewildered, misled by the so-called avatāra, incarnation. You see? The so-called avatāras, they are simply rascals. Especially in Bengal, every day there is an avatāra. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n The other day I received a postcard [indistinct] that \"Some Viṣṇu has appeared in some temple, next to [indistinct]. Please come and see us.\"",
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"content": "\n Just see. So many. Everyone.",
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"content": "\n Just ten years ago there was [indistinct], and he was speaking sometimes, \"I am the incarnation. I am Brahman.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. In Kanpur also one man has been arrested.",
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"content": "\n And just one man, he is coming, and thousands of people just near the [indistinct] protested. They are at liberty. They can do. \"Why you are protesting?\" Then we told, \"He is misrepresenting the Vedānta and ācāryas. He doesn't accept the Veda-sanctioned authorities, so we don't want him.\" [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Now state is secular; therefore this is the condition. Formerly the kings and the executive heads were very responsible to protect religion. That is the duty of the king, to protect. Just like Parīkṣit Mahārāja, when he was on tour, as soon as he saw that one man is trying to kill a cow, immediately he became fire: \"Oh, in my kingdom there is killing of cow? Who are you? I shall immediately kill you.\" You know this? The kings were taking. The kings were so responsible. But here they have declared... The so-called kings, they are themselves debauch, and they do not know what is religion.\nTherefore, in the Kali-yuga there is no other alternative than to chant peacefully, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare. There is no protection. And what does the executive heads, the presidents or secretaries? They simply manipulate some votes, third-class men. Who has written that article?",
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"content": "\n Satsvarūpa.",
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"content": "\n [chuckles] What he has written? \"In this age government is ruled by...?\"",
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"content": "\n The lowest class.",
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"content": "\n \"The lowest class of men.\" He is bold enough to declare like that. One of our students, he has written an article in which he has said that \"At the present moment, everywhere, the government is ruled by lowest class of men.\" And he's right in this sense, because this is the verdict of the Vedas. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad guṇā [SB 5.18.12]. Unless one is a devotee of the Personality of Godhead, he cannot have any good qualification. That's a fact. And one who is a devotee, all good qualifications automatically develop. [noise] What is this? Hmm?",
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"content": "\n He tipped a glass of water.",
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"content": "\n So as far as possible, let us follow the footsteps of mahājana—mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]—and depend on Kṛṣṇa and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Everything will be all right. The simple method. Try to follow Caitanya Mahāprabhu's teachings. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and be sincere, and, as far as possible, worship the Deity. Everything is all right.\n[break] ...camp, the servant's camp was overcrowded, and people would come to our camp.",
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"content": "\n The university's there. Intellectuals are...",
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"content": "\n Yes. So many judges and high-court retired justice, they also came. And one retired judge, Gaṅgeśvarānanda, he admitted that \"Swāmījī, for the first time it is my experience that you are explaining Personality of Godhead so nicely.\" He was also under the impression God is impersonal. Gaṅgeśvarānanda. [end]",
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"content": "\nSecond Chapter?",
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"content": "\nYes, Second.",
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"content": "\n Start at verse 8? \"I can find no means to drive away this grief which is drying up my senses. I will not even be able to destroy it if I win an unrivaled kingdom on the earth with sovereignty like the demigods in heaven. [Bg. 2.8]\n\"Sañjaya said: Having spoken thus, Arjuna, chastiser of the enemies, told Kṛṣṇa, 'Govinda, I shall not fight,' and fell silent. [Bg. 2.9]\n\"O descendant of Bharata, at that time Kṛṣṇa, smiling in the midst of both the armies, spoke the following words to the grief-stricken Arjuna. [Bg. 2.10]\n\"The Blessed Lord said...\"",
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"content": "\n So when we become very serious in a dangerous position, as if we are lost, but Kṛṣṇa smiles. You see? Sometimes we think... This is called illusion. The same example, just a man in dreaming, crying, \"There is tiger, there is tiger. It is eating me,\" and the man who is awakened, he is smiling: \"Where is the tiger?\" [chuckles] \"Where is the tiger?\" And this man is crying, \"Tiger, tiger, tiger.\" Similarly, when we are very much perplexed...\nJust like the politicians, they are sometimes perplexed in political situation and claiming, \"This is my land, my country,\" and other party also claiming, \"It is my land, my country,\" and they are fighting very gravely, Kṛṣṇa smiles: \"What these nonsense are claiming 'my country, my land'? It is My land, and they are claiming 'my land' and fighting.\"\nActually, the land belongs to Kṛṣṇa, but these people, under illusion, claiming, \"It is my land, it is my country,\" forgetting how long he shall belong to this country or this nation. That is called illusion.\nSo this is our position. Without understanding our real position we are perplexed with these all worldly problems, which are all false. Janasya moho 'yam ahaṁ mameti [SB 5.5.8]. \n[The attraction between male and female is the basic principle of material existence. On the basis of this misconception, which ties together the hearts of the male and female, one becomes attracted to his body, home, property, children, relatives and wealth. In this way one increases life's illusions and thinks in terms of \"I and mine.\"]\nMoha, moha means illusion. This is the illusion. So everyone is under this illusion. So one who is intelligent, if he can understand that this worldly position is simply illusion... The, all the thoughts which I have concocted, based on the principle of \"I\" and \"my,\" this is all illusion. So one, when one is intelligent to get out of the illusion, he surrenders to a spiritual master.\nThat is being exemplified by Arjuna. When he's too much perplexed... He was talking with Kṛṣṇa as friend, but he saw that \"This friendly talking will not solve my question.\" And he selected Kṛṣṇa... Because he knew the value of Kṛṣṇa. At least, he ought to have known. He is friend. And he knows that Kṛṣṇa is accepted... \"Although He is acting as my friend, but by great authorities Kṛṣṇa is accepted as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\"\nThat was known to Arjuna. So he said that \"I'm so much puzzled that I cannot understand. Even accepting that I shall be victorious in this battle, still I shall not be happy. What to speak of being victorious of this planet, if I become the king of all other planets or if I become a demigod in the higher planetary system, still this distress cannot be mitigated.\" You see?",
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"content": "\n Verse 11: \"The Blessed Lord said: While speaking learned words you are mourning for what is not worthy of grief. Those who are wise lament neither for the living nor the dead.\"\nPurport: \"The Lord at once took the position of a teacher and chastised His student, calling him indirectly a fool. The Lord said, 'You are talking like a learned man, but you do not know that one who is learned, one who knows what is body and what is soul, does not lament for any stage of the body, neither in the living nor in the dead condition.'\n\"As explained in the later chapters, it will be clear that knowledge means to know matter and spirit and the controller of both. Arjuna argued that religious principles should be given more importance than politics or sociology, but he did not know that knowledge of matter, soul and the Supreme is more important than religious formularies.\n\"And because he was lacking in that knowledge, he should not have posed himself as a very learned man. As he did not happen to be a very learned man, he was consequently lamenting for something which was unworthy of lamentation.\n\"The body is born and is destined to be vanquished today or tomorrow. Therefore the body is not as important as the soul. One who knows this is actually learned. For him there is no cause for lamentation in any stage of the material body.\"\nTwelve...",
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"content": "\n He says, Kṛṣṇa says, that \"This body, either dead or alive, has nothing to be lamented.\" Dead body, suppose when the body is dead, it has no value. What is the use of lamenting? You can lament for many thousands of years, it will not come to life. So there is no cause of lamenting on dead body. And so far spirit soul is concerned, that is eternal.\nEven it appears to be dead, or with the death of this body, he does not die. So why one should be overwhelmed, \"Oh, my father is dead, my such-and-such relative is dead,\" and crying? He's not dead. This knowledge one must have. Then he'll be cheerful in all cases, and he'll be interested simply in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There is nothing to be lamented for the body, either alive or dead. That is being instructed by Kṛṣṇa in this chapter.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings. Nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.\" [Bg. 2.12]\n[Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.]\nPurport: \"In the Vedas, in the Kaṭha Upaniṣad, as well as in the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad, it is said that...\"",
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"content": "\n [correcting pronunciation] Śvetāśvatara.",
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"content": "\n There are many Upaniṣads; they are called Vedas. Upaniṣads are the headlines of the Vedas. Just like in a chapter there is a headline, similarly, these Upaniṣads are the headlines of the Vedas. Kaṭhopani... There are 108 Upaniṣads, principal. Out of that, nine Upaniṣads are very important. So out of those nine Upaniṣads, Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad, Taittireya Upaniṣad, Aitareya Upaniṣad, Īśopaniṣad, Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad, Māṇḍūkya Upaniṣad, Kaṭhopaniṣad, these Upaniṣads are very important.\nAnd whenever there is argument on some point, one has to give reference from these Upaniṣads. If one can give reference from the Upaniṣads, then his argument is very strong. Śabda-pramāṇa. Pramāṇa means evidence. Evidence... If you want to gain in your case... Just like you have to give very nice evidence in a court, similarly, according to Vedic culture, the evidence is pramāṇa. Pramāṇa means evidence. Śabda-pramāṇa.\nThere are three kinds of evidences accepted by the learned scholars in Vedic culture. One evidence is pratyakṣa. Pratyakṣa means direct perception. Just like I am seeing you, you are seeing me. I am present, you are present. This is direct perception. And there is another evidence, which is called anumāna.\nSuppose in that room, and I am coming just now, I do not know whether any person there is or not. But there is some sound, I can imagine, \"Oh, there is somebody.\" This is called anumāna. In logic it is called hypothesis. That is also evidence. If by my bona fide suggestion I can give evidence, that is also accepted.\nSo direct evidence and, what is called, hypothesis, or suggestion evidence. But the strong evidence is śabda-pramāṇa. Śabda, śabda-brahman. That means Veda. If one can give evidence from the quotation of the Vedas, then it is..., it has to be accepted. Nobody can deny the Vedic evidence. That is the system.\nHow it is so? Caitanya Mahāprabhu has given very nice example. That is in the Vedas. Just like we keep conchshell in the Deities' room. Conchshell is considered very pure, transcendental; otherwise, how we can keep before Deity and you blow conchshell, you offer water with conchshell? How you can offer? But what is this conchshell? The conchshell is the bone of an animal. It is nothing but bone of an animal.\nBut the Vedic injunction is that if you touch the bone of an animal, you'll have to take bath immediately. You become impure. Now one may say, \"Oh, this is contradiction. In one place it is said that if you touch the bone of an animal, then you have to purify yourself by taking bath immediately, and here, the bone of an animal is in the Deities' room.\"\nSo it is contradiction, is it not? If bone of an animal is impure, how you can place it in the Deities' room? And if bone of an animal is pure, then what is the meaning of becoming impure and take bath? You'll find similar contradiction in the Vedic injunctions. But because it is said by the Vedas that bone of an animal is impure, you have to accept. But this bone of an animal, conchshell, is pure. Just like sometimes our students are perplexed when we say that onion is not to be taken, but onion is a vegetable.\nSo śabda-pramāṇa means the Vedic evidence should be taken in such a way that no argument. There is meaning; there is no contradiction. There is meaning. Just like several times I have told you that cow dung. Cow dung is, according to Vedic injunction, is pure. In India it is actually used as antiseptic. In villages especially, there is large quantity of cow dung, and they're, all over the house they have smeared to make the house antiseptic.\nAnd actually, after smearing cow dung in your room, when it is dried, you'll find refreshed, everything antiseptic. It is practical experience. And one Dr. Ghosh, a great chemist, he examined cow dung, that why cow dung is so much important in the Vedic literature. He found that cow dung contains all the antiseptic properties. In Āyur-veda, cow dung dried and burned into ashes is used as toothpowder. It is very antiseptic toothpowder.\nSimilarly, there are many things, many injunctions in the Vedas, which may apparently appear as contradiction, but they are not contradiction. They are on experience, on transcendental experience. Just like a father says to his child that \"My dear child, you take this food. It is very nice.\" And the child takes it, believing the father, authority. The father says... The child knows that \"My father...\" He is confident that \"My father will never give me anything which is poison.\"\nTherefore he accepts it blindly, without any reason, without any analysis of the food, whether it is pure or impure. You have to believe in such a way. You go to a hotel because it is licensed by the government. You have to believe when you take foodstuff there it is nice, it is pure, or it is antiseptic, or it is... But how do you know it? The authority. Because this hotel is authorized by the government, it has got license, therefore you believe.\nSimilarly, śabda-pramāṇa means as soon as there is evidence in the Vedic literature, \"This is this,\" you have to accept. Then your knowledge is perfect because you are accepting things from the perfect source. Similarly Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa is accepted as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Whatever He says, it is all right. Accept. Arjuna said at last, sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye [Bg. 10.14]:\n[O Kṛṣṇa, I totally accept as truth all that You have told me. Neither the gods nor demons, O Lord, know Thy personality.]\n\"My dear Kṛṣṇa, whatever You say I accept it.\" That should be our principle. Why should we bother about researching when the evidence is there from the authority?\nSo to save time, to save trouble, one has to accept the authority, actual authority. This is the Vedic process. And therefore Veda says, tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12]. \n[To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.]\nTad vijñānārtham, in order to learn that transcendental science, one has to accept guru. Gurum eva: certainly, one must. Otherwise there is no possibility. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is accepted here as the spiritual master of Arjuna, and as the spiritual master or father or teacher has got right to chastise his son or disciple...\nA son is never dissatisfied when father chastises. That is the etiquette everywhere. Even the father is sometimes violent, the child or the son tolerates. A typical example is Prahlāda Mahārāja. Innocent child, Kṛṣṇa consciousness child, but father torturing. He never says anything. \"All right.\"\nSimilarly Kṛṣṇa, just after taking the position of the spiritual master, is designating Arjuna as a grand fool. Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu also said that \"My spiritual master found Me a great fool.\" Was Caitanya Mahāprabhu a fool? And can it be possible that anyone can become the spiritual master of Caitanya Mahāprabhu?\nBoth things are impossible. Caitanya Mahāprabhu, even not accepting Him as incarnation of Kṛṣṇa, if simply you accept Him as ordinary scholar or man, there was no comparison of His scholarship. But He said that \"My spiritual master found Me a great fool.\"\nWhat is that meaning? That \"A person, even in My position, always remains a fool before his spiritual master. That is good for him.\" Nobody should impose that \"What do you know? I know better than you.\" This position is not..., denied.\nAnd other point is, from the disciple's point of view, why he should remain always a fool before a person, unless he's actually authorized, actually so great that he can teach me as a fool. One should select a spiritual master in that way, and as soon as the spiritual master is selected, one should remain always a fool, although he may not be a fool. But the better position is like that.\nSo Arjuna, instead of remaining on the same level as friend and friend, voluntarily accepting to remain a fool before Kṛṣṇa. And Kṛṣṇa is accepting that \"You are a fool. You're talking just like a learned man, but you are a fool because you are lamenting on a matter which no learned man laments.\" That means \"A fool laments,\" that \"You are a fool. Therefore you are a fool.\" It is in a roundabout way.\nJust like..., what is called in logic? Parenthesis? Or something like that, called. Yes. That if I say that \"You look like that person who stole my watch,\" that means \"You look like a thief.\" Similarly, [chuckles] Kṛṣṇa, in a roundabout way, says that \"My dear Arjuna, you are talking just like a learned man, but you are lamenting on a subject matter which no learned man laments.\"\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"In the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad it is said that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the maintainer of innumerable living entities, in terms of their different situations according to individual work and reaction to work. That Supreme Personality of Godhead is also, by His plenary portions, alive in the heart of every living entity. Only saintly persons, who can see within and without the same Supreme Personality of Godhead, can actually attain to perfect peace eternal.\n\"The same Vedic truth enumerated herein is given to Arjuna, and in that connection to all persons in the world who pose themselves as very learned but factually have very poor fund of knowledge. The Lord says clearly that He Himself, Arjuna, and all the kings who are assembled in the battlefield are eternally individual beings and that the Lord is eternally the maintainer of the individual living entities.\"",
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"content": "\n Now, \"Never there was a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor these people.\" Now He analytically says, \"I, you and...,\" first person, second person and third person. That is complete. \"I, you and others.\" So Kṛṣṇa says, \"Never there was a time when I, you and all these persons who have assembled in this battlefield did not exist.\" That means \"In the past, I, you and all of them, they individually existed.\" Individually.\nThe Māyāvādī theory is that the ultimate spirit is impersonal. Then how Kṛṣṇa can say that \"Never there was a time when I, you and all these persons never existed\"? That means, \"I existed as individual, you existed as individual, and all these persons who are before us, they existed as individual. Never there was a time.\"\nNow, what is your answer, Dīnadayāla? Kṛṣṇa says never we were mixed up. We are all individuals. And He says, \"Never we shall remain... Never there will be time when we shall not exist.\" That means in the past we existed as individual, in the present there is no doubt we are existing as individual, and in the future also, we shall continue to remain as individual.\nThen when the impersonal conception comes at all? In the past, present, future, there are three times. Huh? In all the times we are individuals. Then when God becomes impersonal or I become impersonal or you become impersonal? Where is the chance?\nNow Kṛṣṇa clearly says, \"There was never a time when I, you and all these individual kings or soldiers... It was not that we did not exist in the past.\" So in the past we existed as individual, and the present there is no doubt, we are existing as individual. You are my disciple, I am your spiritual master, but you have got your individuality, I have got my individuality. If you don't agree with me, you can leave me.\nThat is your individuality. So if you don't like Kṛṣṇa, you cannot become in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is your individuality. So this individuality continues. Similarly Kṛṣṇa, if He does not like you, He may refuse you Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Not that because you are following all the rules and regulations, Kṛṣṇa is obliged to accept you. No. If He thinks that \"He's nonsense; I cannot accept him,\" He'll reject you.\nSo He has got individuality, you have got individuality, everyone has got individuality. Where is the question of impersonalism come? There is no possibility. And if you don't believe Kṛṣṇa, you don't believe Vedas, apart from anything else, Kṛṣṇa is accepted as the supreme authority, the Personality of Godhead. Then if we don't believe Him, then where is the possibility of advancing in knowledge? There is no possibility of it. So there is no question of individuality. This is the statement of authority.\nNow, apart from statement of authority, you have to apply your reason and arguments. Can you say anywhere there is agreement between two parties? No. You go, study. In the state or in the family, in the community, in the nation there is no agreement. Even in the assembly, even in your country. Suppose there is Senate. Everyone has got country's interest, but he's thinking in his individual way.\nOne is thinking that \"My country's welfare will be in this line.\" Otherwise, why there is competition during election of president? Everyone is saying that \"America needs Nixon.\" And another president, he also says, \"America needs me.\" So, but why two? If America you, and you are both... No. There is individuality. Mr. Nixon's opinion is something else. Mr. another candidate's opinion is something else.\nIn the assembly, in the Senate, in the Congress, in the United Nations, everyone is fighting with his individual view. Otherwise, why there are so many flags in the world? You cannot say anywhere impersonalism. Personality is predominating everywhere. Everywhere, the personality, individuality, is predominant. So we have to accept. We have to apply our reason, arguments, and accept the authority. Then the question is solved. Otherwise it is most difficult.",
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"content": "\n \"The Supreme Personality of Godhead is the supreme individual person, and Arjuna, the Lord's eternal associate, and all the kings assembled there are individual eternal persons. It is not that they did not exist as individuals in the past, and it is not that they will not exist..., they will not remain as eternal persons. Their individuality existed in the past and their individuality will continue in the future without interruption.\n\"Therefore there is no cause for lamentation for any one of the individual living entities. The Māyāvādī, or impersonal, theory that after liberation the individual soul, separate on account of māyā, or illusion, will merge into the impersonal Brahman without individual existence...\"",
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"content": "\n Now, the Māyāvādī says that this individuality is māyā. So their conception is that spirit, the whole spirit is a lump. Their theory is ghaṭākāśa poṭākāśa. Ghaṭākāśa poṭākāśa means... Just like sky. The sky is an expansion, impersonal expansion. So in a pot, in a water pot, in a pitcher that is closed...\nNow, within the pitcher there is also sky, a small sky. Now as soon as the pitcher is broken, the outside, the bigger sky, and the small sky within the pitcher mixes. That is Māyāvāda theory. But this analogy cannot be applied. Analogy means points of similarity. That is the law of analogy. The sky cannot be compared...\nThe small sky within the pitcher cannot be compared with the living entity. It is material, matter. Sky is matter, and individual living entity is spirit. So how you can say? Just like a small ant, it is spirit soul. It has got its individuality. But a big dead stone, hill or mountain, it has no individuality.\nSo matter has no individuality; spirit has individuality. So if the points of similarity differ, then there is no analogy. That is the law of analogy. So you cannot analogize with matter and spirit. Therefore this analogy is fallacious, the ghaṭākāśa poṭākāśa.\nThen another evidence is in the Bhagavad-gītā. Kṛṣṇa says that mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūta [Bg. 15.7]:\n[The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.]\n\"These individual souls, they are My part and parcel,\" jīva-loke sanātanaḥ, \"and they are eternal.\" That means eternally they are part and parcel. Then when..., how this Māyāvāda theory can be supported, that due to māyā, being covered by māyā, they are now appearing individual, separate, but when the covering of māyā will be taken away, they will mix up just like the small sky within the pitcher and the big sky outside mixes? So this analogy is fallacious from logical point of view, as well as from authentic Vedic point of view. They are eternally fragments.\nThere are many other evidences from Bhagavad-gītā. Bhagavad-gītā says that spirit cannot be fragmented. So if you say that by covering of māyā the spirit has become fragment, that is not possible. It cannot be cut. Just like if you cut one big piece of paper into small fragments, it is possible because it is matter, but spiritually it is not possible. Spiritually, eternally, the fragments are fragments, and the Supreme is Supreme. Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme, and we are fragmental parts. We are fragments eternally.\nThese things are explained in Bhagavad-gītā in different places very nicely. I request you all to keep one copy of this Bhagavad-gītā, every one of you, and read it carefully. And there will be examination in the coming September. So... Of course, that is voluntary. But I request you to prepare for the examination next September. And one who will pass the examination will get the title Bhakti-śāstrī. Have you distributed that...? Yes.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Nor is the theory that we only think of individuality in the conditioned state supported herein. Kṛṣṇa clearly says that in the future also the individuality of the Lord and others as it is...\"",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa never says that after liberation these individual souls will mix up with the Supreme Soul. Kṛṣṇa never says in the Bhagavad-gītā.",
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"content": "\n \"Kṛṣṇa clearly says that in the future also the individuality of the Lord and others, as it is confirmed in the Upaniṣads, will continue eternally. This statement of Kṛṣṇa is authoritative.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes, Upaniṣad says nityo nityānām. Now, nitya means eternal, and the Supreme Lord is the supreme eternal, and we individual souls, we are also many eternals. So He is the leader eternal. Eko bahūnām... How He is leader? Eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13].\n[The Supreme Lord is eternal and the living beings are eternal. The Supreme Lord is cognizant and the living beings are cognizant. The difference is that the Supreme Lord is supplying all the necessities of life for the many other living entities.]\nThat one, singular number eternal, person, He is supplying all the needs of other eternals. These things are clearly said in the Vedas. And actually we are experiencing. Just like in Christian theology, the individual goes to the church and prays God, \"Give us our daily bread.\" Why he's asking God? Of course, this atheist class of men are now teaching them, \"Where is bread? You are going to church. You come to us; we shall supply you bread.\"\nSo this Vedic thought is there also. The Veda says, eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān. That supreme one eternal, He's supplying, He's maintaining all other individual eternals. And Bible also enjoins that \"You go, ask for your bread to God.\"\nSo unless God is maintainer and supplier, why this injunction is there? Therefore He is the leader; He is the maintainer. And the Vedas clearly says this is the position. He is the Supreme. And by knowing this, one can become in peace. That is the Vedic injunction.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"This statement of Kṛṣṇa is authoritative, because Kṛṣṇa cannot be subject to illusion. If individuality...\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. If the Māyāvādī philosopher says that this statement of Kṛṣṇa is in māyā, that \"He says that 'Everyone was individual in the past.' No, in the past everyone was one, lump sum, homogeneous. By māyā, we have become individual...\"\nIf the Māyāvādī says like that, then Kṛṣṇa becomes one of the conditioned soul. He does not... He loses His authority. Because conditioned soul cannot give you the truth. I am conditioned soul. I cannot say something which is absolute.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is accepted as the Absolute. So if the Māyāvādī theory is accepted, then Kṛṣṇa's theory has to be rejected. If Kṛṣṇa is rejected, then there is no need of reading Kṛṣṇa's book, Bhagavad-gītā. It is useless, waste of time, if He's a conditioned soul like us. Because we cannot take any instruction from a conditioned soul.\nSo the spiritual master, even if you take that he is conditioned soul, but he does not speak anything from his own side. He speaks from Kṛṣṇa's side. So unless... The Vedic principle is that unless one is not liberated from the material conditions, he cannot give us any perfect knowledge.\nThe conditioned soul, however he may be academically advanced, educated, he cannot give us any perfect knowledge. Only one who is above the condition of these material laws, he can give us the perfect knowledge.\nSimilarly Śaṅkarācārya, he's also impersonalist, but he accepts Kṛṣṇa the supreme authority. Sa bhagavān svayaṁ kṛṣṇa [SB 1.3.28]:\n[All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists.]\n\"Kṛṣṇa is that Supreme Personality of Godhead.\" The modern Māyāvādī philosophers, they do not disclose this statement of Śaṅkarācārya, to cheat people. But Śaṅkarācārya's statement is there. We can give evidence. He accepts Kṛṣṇa as the supreme authority.\nHe has written so many nice poems praising or worshiping Kṛṣṇa. And at the last time he says, bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindaṁ mūḍha-mate: \"You rascal fools. Oh, you are depending on grammar to understand. This is all nonsense.\" Bhaja govindam:\"Just worship Govinda.\" Bhaja govindaṁ bhaja... Three times he says, \"Just worship Govinda.\" Bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindam.\nJust like Caitanya Mahāprabhu says three times, harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma [Cc. Ādi 17.21].\n[”’In this Age of Kali there is no other means, no other means, no other means for self-realization than chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name of Lord Hari.’]\nThree times means giving too much stress. Just like we sometimes say, \"You do this, do this, do this.\" That means no more denial. Finish all stress. So as soon as one thing is three times stressed, that means final. So Śaṅkarācārya says, bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindaṁ mūḍha-mate. Mūḍha. Mūḍha I've several times explained. Mūḍha means rascal, ass. \"You are depending on your grammatical understanding,\" dukṛn karaṇe. \nDukṛn, these are grammatical affix and prefix, pratya, prakaraṇa. \"So you are depending on this verbal root, that verbal root, and creating, interpreting your meaning in a different way. All this is nonsense. This dukṛn karaṇe, your grammatical jugglery of words, will not save you at the time of death. You rascal, you just worship Govinda, Govinda, Govinda.\" That is the instruction of Śaṅkarācārya.\nBecause he was a devotee, he was a great devotee. But he pretended to be an atheist because he was to deal with the atheist. Unless he presents himself as an atheist, the atheist followers will not hear him. Therefore he presented Māyāvāda philosophy for the time being. The Māyāvāda philosophy cannot be accepted eternally. The eternal philosophy is Bhagavad-gītā. That is the verdict.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"If individuality is not a fact, then Kṛṣṇa would not have stressed it so much even for the future. The Māyāvādī...\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. He says that there was no such time when we are not individual, and there will be no such time in the future when we shall not remain individual. And so far present is concerned, we are all individual. You know. So where is the possibility of losing individuality, become imperson? No. There is no possibility.\nThis voidism, impersonalism, they are artificial way of negating the perplexing variegatedness of this material existence. That is the negative side only. That is not a positive side. A positive side is that, as Kṛṣṇa says, tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya [Bg. 4.9]:\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\n\"After giving up this material tabernacle, one comes to Me.\" Just like after leaving this room, you have to enter another room. You cannot say that \"After leaving this room, I shall live in the sky.\" Similarly, after leaving this body, if you go to Kṛṣṇa in the spiritual kingdom, your individuality will be there, but you'll have that spiritual body. When there is spiritual body there is no perplexities.\nJust like your body is different from the body of the aquatics. The aquatics, they have no disturbance in the water because their body is made like that. They can live there peacefully. You cannot live. Similarly, the fishes, if you take them out of the water, they cannot live.\nSimilarly, because you are spirit soul, you cannot live peacefully in this material world. This is foreign. But as soon as you enter into the spiritual world, your life is eternal, blissful and full of knowledge, real peace. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9].\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\nKṛṣṇa says, \"After leaving this body, he does not come to this perplexities of material world.\" Mām eti, \"He comes to Me.\" \"Me\" means His kingdom, His paraphernalia, His associates—everything.\nIf some rich man or some king says, \"All right, you come to me,\" that does not mean that he's impersonal. If a king says, \"Come to...,\" means that he has got his palace, he has got his secretary, he has got his nice apartment, everything is there. How he can be imperson? But he says only \"Come to me.\" This \"me\" means everything. This \"me\" does not mean impersonal. And we get information from Brahma-saṁhitā,\nlakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ\nsurabhīr abhipālayantam\n[Bs. 5.29]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\nSo He's not impersonal. He's raising cows, He's with hundreds and thousands of goddess of fortune, His friends, His paraphernalia, His kingdom, His house; everything is there. So there is no question of impersonalism.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n \"The Māyāvādī may argue that the individuality spoken of by Kṛṣṇa is not spiritual but material. Even accepting the argument that the individuality is material, how can one distinguish Kṛṣṇa's individuality?\"",
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"content": "\n They also think of Kṛṣṇa, therefore, as material. That is also condemned by Kṛṣṇa. You'll find, avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam [Bg. 9.11]:\n[Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be.]\n\"Because I have appeared just like a human being, these rascals deride at Me that I am also one of them.\" Mūḍha. Mūḍha means rascal. Just like Dr. Radhakrishnan says, \"It is not to Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa... It is the soul within the Kṛṣṇa.\" That means he identifies Kṛṣṇa as one of us: His body and His soul different.\nBut Kṛṣṇa is not... Kṛṣṇa said, sambhavāmy ātma-māyayā [Bg. 4.6]:\n[Although I am unborn and My transcendental body never deteriorates, and although I am the Lord of all sentient beings, I still appear in every millennium in My original transcendental form.]\n\"I appear in My own, original stature. I do not change.\" We change. The individual soul... Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni [Bg. 3.27].\n[The bewildered spirit soul, under the influence of the three modes of material nature, thinks himself to be the doer of activities, which are in actuality carried out by nature.]\nHe's conducted by, influenced by this prakṛti, nature, but He's not conducted or influenced by the nature. He comes in His own influence, as He is, ātma-māyayā. This is the distinction. Therefore He does not change body. When I come, I change bodies. This time I may have this body; next time I may have another body. That is material, and therefore I forget. Just like Kṛṣṇa says in the Fourth Chapter that \"Many times you and I came. You have forgotten.\" Because we change our material body, therefore we forget. These things all will be explained.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Kṛṣṇa affirms His individuality in the past and confirms His individuality in the future also. He has confirmed His individuality in many ways, and impersonal Brahman has been declared as subordinate to Him. Kṛṣṇa has maintained spiritual individuality all along, and if He is accepted as an ordinary conditioned soul in individual consciousness, then His Bhagavad-gītā has no value as an authoritative scripture.\n\"A common man with all the defects of human frailty is unable to teach that which is worth hearing. Bhagavad-gītā is above such literature. No mundane book compares with the Bhagavad-gītā. When one accepts Kṛṣṇa as an ordinary man, the Bhagavad-gītā loses all importance.\n\"The Māyāvādī argues that the plurality mentioned in this verse is conventional, and that the plurality thus refers to the body. But previous to this verse such a bodily conception has already been condemned. After condemning the bodily conception of living entities, how was it possible for Kṛṣṇa to place a conventional proposition on the body again?\n\"Therefore, the plurality is on spiritual grounds, as is confirmed by great teachers like Śrī Rāmānuja. It is clearly mentioned in many places in the Bhagavad-gītā that this spiritual plurality is understood by those who are devotees of the Lord.\n\"Those who are envious of Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead have no bona fide access to the great literature. The nondevotee's approach to the teachings of the Bhagavad-gītā is something like a bee licking on a bottle of honey. One cannot have a taste of honey unless one can taste within the bottle. Similarly, the mysticism of the Bhagavad-gītā can be understood only by devotees.\n\"No one else can taste it, as is stated in this Fourth Chapter of the book. Nor can the Gītā be touched by persons who envy the very existence of the Lord. Therefore the Māyāvādī explanation of the Gītā is a most misleading presentation of the whole truth. Lord Caitanya has forbidden us to read commentaries made by the Māyāvādīs.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Lord Caitanya has clearly said, māyāvādi-bhāṣya śunile haya sarva-nāśa [Cc. Madhya 6.169].\n[“Śrīla Vyāsadeva presented the Vedānta philosophy for the deliverance of conditioned souls, but if one hears the commentary of Śaṅkarācārya, everything is spoiled.]\nOne meets a disaster if he hears a Māyāvādī philosopher to understand Vedic literature. That is His injunction. Māyāvādi-bhāṣya śunile haya sarva-nāśa. Sarva-nāśa means disaster. It is actually disaster. A māyāvādi-bhāṣya, Māyāvādī commentary, they have simply tried, [that] the individual, tiny individual spiritual spark that \"You are the Supreme.\"\nSo he's just a Dr. Frog. You see. So puffed up, puffed up, when he..., at one time, it will burst. Therefore it is disastrous. It is disastrous. [chuckling] Māyāvādi-bhāṣya śunile haya sarva-nāśa. So that's all. Finished? Yes. Oh, not yet?",
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"content": "\n \"Therefore the Māyāvādī explanation of the Gītā is a most misleading presentation of the whole truth. Lord Caitanya has forbidden us to read commentaries made by the Māyāvādīs and warns that one who takes to understanding of the Māyāvādī philosophy loses all power to understand the real mystery of the Gītā.\n\"If individuality refers to the empirical universe, then there is no need for teachings of the Lord. The plurality of the individual souls and of the Lord is an eternal fact, and it is confirmed by the Vedas as above mentioned.\"",
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"content": "\n So you read very carefully Bhagavad-gītā. You have to meet so many opposing elements, so you have to argue and you convince them.\nHmm. [saṅkīrtana party enters and offers obeisances]\nSo, what is your report?",
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"content": "\n Yesterday we sold 125 magazines and collected twenty dollars. Today, so far, during the day, we have sold... How many have you sold today?\n Eighty-five.\n Eighty-five today so far.",
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"content": "\n And there is night.",
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"content": "\n Tonight, we will go out tonight.\n I have a question. In about the middle of your lecture you said that Kṛṣṇa said that everybody always lived on. \"I lived on, you lived on and everybody here lived on.\" Does that means us in this room lived on, too? We always lived?",
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"content": "\n What do you think?",
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"content": "\n I don't know.",
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"content": "\n Yes. \"All\" means including all men of this room also. You also.",
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"content": "\n I lived on?",
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"content": "\n Yes. You lived in the past, you are living at present, you will live in the future also. Is that all right?",
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"content": "\n I understand now.",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n I read somewhere in your writings that in order to understand the confidential affairs of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa one must serve the gopīs who are servants of the gopīs, and I assumed that you were a servant of the gopīs. Is that correct? Or... How do I serve the servants of the gopīs?",
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"content": "\n Gopīs, they are not conditioned souls. They are liberated spirits. So first of all you have to come out from this conditioned life. Then the question of serving gopī will come. Don't be, at the present moment, very eager to serve gopī. Just try to get out of your conditional life. Then time will come when you'll be able to serve gopī.\nIn this conditional stage we cannot serve anything. Kṛṣṇa is performing it. But Kṛṣṇa gives us opportunities to accept service in this arcā-mārga. Just like we keep the Deity of Kṛṣṇa, offer prasādam under regulation, under principle. So we have to make advance in this way, this chanting, hearing, and worshiping in the temple, ārati, offering prasādam. In this way, as we make advance, then automatically Kṛṣṇa will reveal to you, and you'll understand your position, how you have to...\nGopīs means who are always, constantly engaged in the service of the Lord. So that eternal relationship will be revealed. So we have to wait for that. Immediately we cannot imitate serving gopīs. That's a good idea that we shall serve gopī, but it will take time. Not immediately. Immediately we have to follow the rules and regulation and routine work.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Do the liberated souls also seek after this Kṛṣṇa consciousness? Those who have become free...",
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"content": "\n They become perfect in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Liberated soul means... We are just trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. We are not actually in full Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are... Just like a diseased person is trying to recover. So one who is recovered, there is no question of his healthy life. We are trying to be healthy, our present position. So we are trying to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. So one who is liberated he is nothing but Kṛṣṇa conscious. You follow? Yes.\nKṛṣṇa consciousness is the perfection of life. So we are trying to reach that platform of perfection by regulative principle. But when we are actually on the platform, there is nothing but Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the perfection of life. That is our actual, liberated stage. Jīvera svarūpa haya nitya-kṛṣṇa-dāsa [Cc. Madhya 20.108].\n[”It is the living entity’s constitutional position to be an eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa because he is the marginal energy of Kṛṣṇa and a manifestation simultaneously one with and different from the Lord, like a molecular particle of sunshine or fire. Kṛṣṇa has three varieties of energy.]\nThat is our svarūpa. Svarūpa means actual constitutional position. And mukti, liberation, means to come to that real position. Just like healthy life means to come to the normal life from the diseased stage. That is healthy life and normal life.\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness is our normal consciousness. This normal consciousness is now polluted. We have got so many other consciousness. So this is an attempt to get out of all, I mean to say, infected consciousness, come to the real stage of pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nOne question. No more. Next day.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam you have said that... It's stated that Vyāsadeva was afraid when Sūta Gosvāmī was born that he would leave home because he was already a liberated soul.",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n It says in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam that Vyāsadeva was afraid that Sūta Gosvāmī when he was born would leave home because he was already a liberated soul.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n But he was attracted to Kṛṣṇa's pastimes.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n So what...?",
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"content": "\n That is the sign of liberated soul. Because to become attracted by Kṛṣṇa, that is our normal condition. So he was liberated; therefore normally he became attracted with Kṛṣṇa's pastimes. That is his normal life. One who is not attracted by Kṛṣṇa's pastimes, he will be attracted by President Johnson's pastimes. [laughter]\nOne has to be attracted. One has to be attracted by the dog's pastimes. Don't you see a person how he is serving the dog? The dog stands, passes urine, he also stands. You see? He's a human being, and he is waiting for the dog passing urine. How much he is attending the pastimes of the dog?\nSo if you are not attracted by the pastimes of God, then you'll have to be attracted by the pastimes of the dog. There is no other alternative: either māyā or Kṛṣṇa. The atheist, agnostic, they deny Kṛṣṇa's pastimes; therefore they remain attracted by the pastimes of this material world.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, I think this is... Did Lord Caitanya take sannyāsa from a Māyāvādī sannyāsī?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is a formality. That is not very important. Because Māyāvādī sannyāsīs, they are also Vedic sannyāsī. They are not outsiders. But their interpretation of Veda is different. But they follow the Vedic rules. So this acceptance of sannyāsa is following a principle of the Vedic rules.\nSo the Māyāvādī sannyāsī may differ in his interpretation, but he's following the Vedic rules. So this acceptance of sannyāsa is following the Vedic rules. So you can accept sannyāsa even from Māyāvādī. It doesn't matter.\nBut you have to transcend the limits of Vedic rules. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That also Caitanya Mahāprabhu... Although He took sannyāsa, He did not assume the sannyāsa title. His sannyāsa guru was Keśava Bhāratī. Naturally, He would have accepted the Bhāratī title, Śrī Kṛṣṇa Bhāratī, or something like that. But He remained Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya. Caitanya is the name of the brahmacārī under the Bhāratī sannyāsī.\nOne brahmacārī... The brahmacārīs are under..., they are assistant or personal servitors of a sannyāsī. That is the system. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu was... In the beginning, He was accepted... That is the Māyāvādī system. One is accepted first of all as brahmacārī. So that, His name was Caitanya.\nBut even after His acceptance of sannyāsa, He did not assume the title Bhāratī. That means actually He did not take sannyāsa. That was simply formality. Because Māyāvādī sannyāsī thinks that he is God; so how He can assume that title? He was preaching, He was going to preach that we are servant of God; therefore He did not assume that title.\nAnd besides that, when Caitanya Mahāprabhu was going to Lord..., see Jagannātha Purī, His rod was taken away by Nityānanda and it was broken and thrown away. So He, apparently He became very angry that \"You have broken My rod, sannyāsa rod. So I am not going with You.\" He separated. These statements are there in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta.\nSo in one sense, Caitanya Mahāprabhu did not require to accept any sannyāsa guru, but He accepted the formality that if one takes sannyāsa, one has to take sannyāsa from another sannyāsī. That is the system. Just like if you want to get yourself married, you have to call for a priest. That does not mean that you have to agree with the priest's personal opinion. Do you follow? Yes.\nHe may execute the rules and regulation of marriage ceremony, but that does not mean that one has to agree with the priest's opinion, personal opinion. This is the answer. But when you accept a spiritual master, that is not allowed. Unless you cent per cent agree with the spiritual master's opinion or philosophy, there is no need of accepting a spiritual master. There is no need.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n How is Māyādevī in such a distasteful position? How did she acquire her position?",
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"content": "\n\n...sādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[My dear Lord, and the spiritual energy of the Lord, kindly engage me in Your service. I am now embarrassed with this material service. Please engage me in Your service.]\nkaumāra ācaret prājño\ndharmān bhāgavatān iha\ndurlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma\ntad apy adhruvam arthadam\n[SB 7.6.1]\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: One who is sufficiently intelligent should use the human form of body from the very beginning of life—in other words, from the tender age of childhood—to practice the activities of devotional service, giving up all other engagements. The human body is most rarely achieved, and although temporary like other bodies, it is meaningful because in human life one can perform devotional service. Even a slight amount of sincere devotional service can give one complete perfection.]\nThis verse we have been discussing in our last meeting. The purport is: \"From very childhood, very childhood, the boys, the children, should be taught about this God consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" The mistake of modern civilization is that we are, I mean to say, bringing up spoiled children. So when they are grown up, if they become hippies or Communists, it is not their fault; it is the fault of the guardians. It is the fault of the guardians. When the people become just something against the social convention, it is not the fault of the youngsters, but it is the fault of the education system, it is the fault of the parents, it is fault of the teachers. Because they are not teaching.\nPrahlāda Mahārāja says that from the very childhood one should be taught. I have seen in India, the Muhammadans, they are very much particular about it. The small children, within ten years, they are... From the very beginning they are taught Koran in the mosques. I have seen. In my Delhi headquarter, it is just behind the Jama Masjid. You have heard the name of Jama Masjid. That is the greatest mosque in the world. Many foreigners go to see it. It was constructed by Emperor Shah Jahan, say, about three hundred years or little more than that.\nSo the Muhammadans, they are very particular to teach the Koran from the very beginning. That's a very nice system. Either you teach Koran or you..., Koran, Bible, or you teach Bhagavad-gītā, it doesn't matter—one should have the idea of God consciousness. Then he can develop. So this opportunity should be offered to the children. If not, they are not real guardians, real parent or real teachers.\nWhy? Durlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma. This Prahlāda Mahārāja teaching is not this Bhāgavatam. Just mark it. Prahlāda Mahārāja says, dharmān bhāgavatān, \"the religion of God consciousness.\" He does not say Hindu religion or Muhammadan religion or Christian religion. Dharmān bhāgavatān.\nAs I explained already last days, Bhāgavata means pertaining to God. So whatever your idea of God may be, that must be impressed from the childhood, that \"There is God.\" Actually there is God. To deny God or \"God is dead\" is simply rascaldom. So whatever religion or sect you may profess, the Prahlāda Mahārāja says that one should have the idea of God consciousness. We don't say, neither Prahlāda Mahārāja says, that Kṛṣṇa conscious. Of course, Kṛṣṇa means God.\nBut if somebody has got objection, \"Kṛṣṇa\" because this name is Indian name or Sanskrit name or Kṛṣṇa appeared Himself in India, it doesn't matter. We are concerned with the philosophy, with the teachings. Just like Buddha. He was also Indian. He was Hindu, kṣatriya. And why Buddhism is accepted by so many people of the world—whole Japan, whole China, Burma, and...? Why? The philosophy is concerned. Just like Christian, Christian religion. Christian... Lord Jesus Christ, he appeared in Jordan. But... Jordan or Jerusalem?",
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"content": "\n Palestine. Near about that place, yes. So anyway, he was not European or American or Indian or Chinese, but there are many Chinese Christians, there are many Indian Christian, European Christian, American Christian. So if some idea of religion is developed in a particular country, we should not take it that it is meant for that particular country. No. That is mistake. God is one. Just like the sun. The sun is one. It does not mean if the sun appears in America, he becomes American sun. No. Sun is sun. He is neither American nor Indian. But he rotates. He rotates. He sometimes appears on the American land, sometimes on the Indian land, sometimes on the Chinese land.\nThere is a very nice verse in Cāṇakya-śloka that... He gives the example, I mean to say, broadmindedness. Na hi harate jyotsnā chandraś caṇḍāla-veśmani. Caṇḍāla. Caṇḍāla, according to Vedic conception, a caṇḍāla, a class who are dog-eaters, and they are meant for very low class duty. So they are out of the caste system. Caṇḍāla means fifth dimension. Brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra—these four classes are accepted. And beyond that, they are called caṇḍāla. So Cāṇakya Paṇḍita says that \"Even one is caṇḍāla, that does not mean that moonshine will not be delivered there.\" The moon is so liberal that it doesn't matter whether it is the house of brāhmaṇa or it is the house of a caṇḍāla. It doesn't matter.\nJust like when rain falls... You have seen, experienced: there is no necessity of rain on the sea. The vast mass of water there is, but rain is falling there also. Why? It is liberal, meant for everyone. Rain is not only meant for land; it is meant for the sea also. Similarly, any God consciousness movement, it does not mean that it is meant for that particular country or for that particular section. No. Bhagavad-gītā or Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, don't consider it that it is meant for the Hindus or for the Indians. It is meant for everyone. Just see. Dharmān bhāgavatān.\nPrahlāda Mahārāja said that \"From the childhood, one should be taught the science of God.\" Dharmān bhāgavatān means the science of God. Just try to understand the word dharma. Dharma is generally translated into English as \"religion.\" But dharma does not mean a particular type of faith. That is not the Sanskrit import. Dharma means the natural quality. That is. Everything has some natural quality, characteristic. Everything.\nSo natural characteristic for every living entity is to serve. That is the natural characteristic. Every one of us who are sitting in this meeting, nobody can say that \"I am not servant.\" Every one of us is a servant. You go up to the highest man, your prime minister, or USA, the president, everyone is servant. Nobody can claim that \"I am not servant.\" So therefore, either you are a Christian or either you are a Hindu, either you are a Muhammadan, but you have to serve. It is not that because one is Christian or Hindu, he hasn't got to serve. Just like so many Indians, they have come here. What is the profession? They are serving. They are serving here some company or some institution or some university. So serving was there in India; service is also here. So this is religion.\nReligion means the characteristic. Characteristic... You cannot change your characteristic. In whatever circumstances you may be, the characteristic will continue. That is the meaning of religion. Dharmān bhāgavatān. And bhāgavatān means pertaining to God. And what is that, that characteristic of relationship between God and myself? That is called religion. Religion means that, oh, characteristics of God, characteristics of the living entity, and to dovetail them.\nThe characteristic of God is God is great. That is the characteristic. And we are small, little. This is our characteristic. If we are not small, then why we are serving the great? Serving means there must be somebody greater than me. At least, the money is greater than me. If I don't serve the man, but the man, my master who supplies me the money, that is greater.\nSo actually in this material world, there is no genuine service. Everyone is serving the intention of sense enjoyment. Just like from tomorrow there will be postal strike. What is that? They are not serving the government or the public; they are serving their salary. Is it not? As soon as there is some less salary, they strike. Therefore I have got my service spirit, and I have to serve somebody. That is my natural characteristic. You cannot deny it. Now you have to find out where your service should be engaged so that you may not be frustrated. That is required.\nThere is one verse in Bhāgavatam. One devotee, he has taken sannyāsa. Sannyāsa means the renounced order of life. Just like as you see me by my dress, this is called sannyāsa. Sannyāsa means... This is Sanskrit word, sat-nyāsa. This is sannyāsa. Sat means the Supreme, the Absolute Truth, and nyāsa means renounced. One who has renounced everything for the service of the Supreme, he is called a sannyāsa. Sannyāsa does not mean a particular type of dress or particular type of beard. Sannyāsa means you can become a sannyāsī even with you this coat-pant—it doesn't matter—provided you have dedicated your life for the service of God. That is called sannyāsa.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā it is clearly said, anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ kāryaṁ karma karoti yaḥ, sa sannyāsī..., sa sannyāsī sa yogi ca na cānya akriya [Bg. 6.1].\n[The Blessed Lord said: One who is unattached to the fruits of his work and who works as he is obligated is in the renounced order of life, and he is the true mystic: not he who lights no fire and performs no work.]\nThe meaning of this verse is that anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ. Everyone is working in this material world for some salary or for some remuneration, but if one works not for salary or for remuneration but as a matter of duty... Anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ kāryam. Kāryam means \"It must be done.\" Karma karoti yaḥ: \"In such a way if somebody acts, then sa sannyāsī, he is sannyāsī.\"\nJust try to understand. Anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ. You are doing some work. Why you are doing some work? Either for some salary or for some profit or for some gain. Otherwise nobody is working uselessly. He must have some gain. But one who does not utilize that gain for his sense gratification but works as a matter of duty, kāryaṁ karma karoti—sa sannyāsī sa yogi ca, such person is actually a sannyāsī and yogī\nYou have heard the name of yogī. Yogī means that he has no other business. The sannyāsī and yogī is the same, because yogī has no other business. He is simply trying to concentrate his mind on the Viṣṇu. Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ [SB 12.13.1]. \n[Sūta Gosvāmī said: Unto that personality whom Brahmā, Varuṇa, Indra, Rudra and the Maruts praise by chanting transcendental hymns and reciting the Vedas with all their corollaries, pada-kramas and Upaniṣads, to whom the chanters of the Sāma Veda always sing, whom the perfected yogīs see within their minds after fixing themselves in trance and becoming fully absorbed in thoughts of Him, and whose limit can never be found by any demigod or demon—unto that Supreme Personality of Godhead I offer my humble obeisances.]\nYoginaḥ. Not these black yogīs; the real yogī. Real yogī means he is always in meditation, dhyānāvasthita. Dhyāna means meditation. Dhyānāvasthita manasā. Where meditation is performed? In the mind. That means concentrating the mind. Dhyānāvasthita manasā.\nThen what is that concentration? Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ [SB 12.13.1]. Yam, whom. That means the Supreme Viṣṇu. One who sees the Supreme Viṣṇu always within his mind by concentration, he is called yogī. Yogī does not mean to show some magical or gymnastic feats. These are... This practice of āsana or breathing exercise, that will help you for concentrating, pratyāhāra. There is a term, pratyāhāra. Pratyāhāra means you draw your engagement of the senses from matter, and you engage them in the Viṣṇu. That is yogī.\nSo bhakta-yogi, which we are teaching in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they are the topmost yogīs, because they are being trained to draw the engagement of the senses from anything outside Kṛṣṇa consciousness. They are trying to draw the senses from everything and applying it in Kṛṣṇa. Just like we are trying to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. When we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, that means we withdraw our mind from all other engagement and try to engage my mind and ear on the sound vibration of Kṛṣṇa.\nThis Kṛṣṇa, being Absolute Truth, there is no difference between the person Kṛṣṇa and the name Kṛṣṇa. In the absolute world there is no relativity. Therefore, when you concentrate your mind on the sound vibration of Kṛṣṇa, that means you are concentrating on the Absolute Truth, and that is the process of yogī. Yogīs... Somebody may think, \"Here there is no bodily exercise, no breathing exercise. How they become yogīs?\"\nReal yogīs means to concentrate the mind in Viṣṇu. Dhyānāvasthita. So the original form of Viṣṇu is Kṛṣṇa, and therefore concentrating the mind on Kṛṣṇa, even by vibration, because there is no difference of identity between the vibration of the name of Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa, therefore this is the highest form of yoga practice.\nAnd life dedicated for Kṛṣṇa's service. All the students, all the disciples, they are engaged how to broadcast the message of Kṛṣṇa. They are trying to find out the opportunity in so many ways. They are making arrangement for distribution of prasādam so that one may be attracted, or at least he may hear the word Kṛṣṇa for once when he comes to take kṛṣṇa-prasādam, or he may hear the vibration of \"Kṛṣṇa,\" or he may hear something, teachings of Kṛṣṇa. So this is the movement of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And it is recommended in the Bhagavad-gītā that yoginām api sarveṣāṁ mad-gatenāntarātmanā [Bg. 6.47]:\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\n\"He is the first-class yogī.\" Who? \"Who always thinking of Kṛṣṇa within himself.\" That is yoga practice.\nSo the bhāgavata-dharma and bhakti-yoga or yoga practice—everything synonymous. There is no difference. But this is the easiest process. Here you will find the students, although they are not exercising the bodily āsana, praṇāyāma, it is automatically being done, because the mind is the center of all activity. So mind is always engaged in Kṛṣṇa. That is bhāgavata-dharma.\nSo as we have explained several times in these classes, that this concentration is required. And that should be taught from the very beginning of life, kaumāra. Kaumāra means from five years to fifteen years. From sixteenth year, one becomes..., one's youthfulness begins, say, up to forty years. Then middle age up to sixty years. Then after sixty years, one is old. This is the definition of different ages. So kaumāra ācaret prājñaḥ. If one is intelligent, if one is wise... Prājña means wise. If he's a fool, rascal, it is not for them.\nCaitanya-caritāmṛta therefore says, kṛṣṇa yei bhaje sei baḍa caturā. \n[One who takes to Kṛṣṇa consciousness seriously and perfectly, he must be very, very intelligent.]\nCaturā means very intelligent. Unless one is very intelligent, he cannot understand the philosophy of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And if you try to find out intelligent class of men, naturally the number will be very small. If you want that in this street find out some boys who have passed their M.A. examination and Ph.D. examination, hardly you will find one or two. But if you try to find out the illiterate or without any education, you will find many. So we should not judge by the number; we should judge by the quality, what is the quality.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, even though you may not find many students, but any one student who has understood this philosophy, he is very intelligent. He is very intelligent. If you like, you can talk with them and you can try to understand what they have understood about the science of God, and you will be pleased.\nEven a neophyte student, he will answer very satisfactorily. Because as soon as you become Kṛṣṇa conscious and you follow the rules and regulation under the direction of your bona fide spiritual master, at that time you become yourself bona fide. And as soon as you become bona fide, the response from within will come, because Kṛṣṇa is within you.\nKṛṣṇa is everywhere. \"Kṛṣṇa\" does not mean... Just like the sunshine, the sunlight, is everywhere; similarly, Kṛṣṇa is everywhere. As we understand from the Brahma-saṁhitā,\naṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham [Bs. 5.35]:\n[He is an undifferentiated entity as there is no distinction between potency and the possessor thereof. In His work of creation of millions of worlds, His potency remains inseparable. All the universes exist in Him and He is present in His fullness in every one of the atoms that are scattered throughout the universe, at one and the same time. Such is the primeval Lord whom I adore.]\n\"Kṛṣṇa, or God, is within this universe and within this room, within your heart, even within the atom.\"\nAṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham. So Kṛṣṇa is within you. As soon as you become sincere, Kṛṣṇa responds from within. If you want Kṛṣṇa, or God, sincerely, then the help will come two ways: from without, from within. From without, by these books of knowledge, by the instruction of spiritual master, you will get help from without. And as soon as you are serious to follow, then you will get instruction from within also. Within.\nIt is said in the Bhagavad-gītā, teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam [Bg. 10.10]:\n[To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.]\n\"One who is seriously engaged in My service with faith and devotion.\" Prīti-pūrvakam. Prīti means love, not that official: as soon as there is less salary, oh, there is strike. Not that kind of love. They are considered that government servant, and very faithful to the country's service, but as soon as a country or government does not pay, everything is rejected. So Kṛṣṇa service does not mean like that, that as soon as Kṛṣṇa...\nPractically, Kṛṣṇa gives everything. One who knows, one who is intelligent, he knows that Kṛṣṇa is supplying him everything. Actually, Kṛṣṇa is supplying, either you give service or not service. Kṛṣṇa is so kind. Even those who are not serving Kṛṣṇa directly... Everyone is serving Kṛṣṇa, but not directly. What is the difference between ordinary man and this Kṛṣṇa consciousness man? The difference is that Kṛṣṇa consciousness man knows that \"I am eternal servant of God. Therefore let me willingly serve Kṛṣṇa.\" And others, they are also serving Kṛṣṇa, but by force, by māyā, by the qualities of nature.\nJust like a citizen of a state who has violated the laws, he is also obeying the laws in the prison house, forced: \"If you don't obey, then you will be punished.\" That is called prison life. And if you become obedient to the laws, then you are not outlaws; you are free, out of the walls of the prison house. So either you obey or not obey, you have to serve the laws of the state. Similarly, either you be Kṛṣṇa conscious or not Kṛṣṇa conscious, you have to serve. But in non–Kṛṣṇa consciousness condition, you have to serve your senses. And in Kṛṣṇa consciousness condition you serve Kṛṣṇa directly. That is the difference.\nSarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170].\n[”’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nAnd you serve Kṛṣṇa, then you become purified, your senses are purified. Exactly like the same example, that when a citizen is free and willingly obeying the laws of the state, he is free from contamination. And as soon as he is disobedient, he is contaminated; therefore he is put into the jail. Similarly, our material existence means that we have revolted against the will of Kṛṣṇa, or God; therefore we are dragging the struggle for existence. And as soon as we become again obedient to Kṛṣṇa, we shall always remember that our characteristic is to serve. So by natural way, if we serve God, then we are happy, and by unnatural way, if we serve our senses, then we are unhappy. This is the difference. Service you have to give.\nSo intelligent man, he thinks that \"Throughout my whole life I have given service to the lust, anger and desire and so many things.\" We are serving. Always remember that whenever we serve somebody, we do not serve that person, but we serve our lust. Because the person will pay me something, and out of that payment I shall be able to gratify my senses, therefore I am not serving anyone, but I am serving my senses. That is the sum and substance. That is the sum and substance. Similarly, if you serve Kṛṣṇa, the same service is there. Only difference is that it is not service to the sense grati..., senses, but it is the service to the sense proprietor, Hṛṣīkeśa.\nKṛṣṇa's another name is Hṛṣīkeśa. Hṛṣīka means senses, and īśa means the Lord. Kṛṣṇa is the Lord of the senses. Therefore His another name is Govinda. So instead of serving the senses, if you serve the Lord of the senses, then you are in natural condition, and that is called bhāgavata-dharma. So bhāgavata-dharma is nothing unnatural, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness is nothing unnatural. It is very natural. Simply you have to change from one platform to another. Instead of serving your senses, you have to serve the senses of God, or Kṛṣṇa. That is called bhāgavata-dharma. \nThank you very much. [break]",
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"content": "\n ...in which way one can engage oneself to the best service of Kṛṣṇa, or best use one's time for [indistinct] Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n Therefore you have to be guided by your spiritual master. Otherwise, how can you know? It is not possible. Any school you go, you have to be guided by the schoolteacher. Otherwise, you don't have any education. So this is also a kind of education, Kṛṣṇa education. So you have to find out a bona fide school, you have to find out a bona fide teacher, and then you learn. That's all. If, for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you go to somebody who is engineer, then you cannot have Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But if you go to engineer how to become engineer, you can become engineer.\nUnfortunately, we have got departments of knowledge in our educational system, but actually there is no department of knowledge where Kṛṣṇa consciousness is taught scientifically. That is a great necessity of the present day. But if you are sincere to learn, tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet [MU 1.2.12], it is indicated by the direction of the Vedas,\n[To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.]\n\"Then you have to approach a bona fide person who can teach you Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" Then you will learn it.",
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"content": "\n Why not? You can pronounce them properly. Everything you can learn. Just like I am speaking in English. English is not my mother language, but I have tried to learn it, and I am doing my business. That's all. Similarly, you can learn any language. You can learn Sanskrit. You can pronounce very nicely. It requires learning. That's all.",
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"content": "\n Would there be any effect if they're not pronounced properly?",
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"content": "\n How do you teach Kṛṣṇa consciousness to a five year old who is only a children? What it means to be a teacher? What teaching...?",
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"content": "\n How you are learning? You are also young. Anyone who is completely, I mean to say, unaware of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is to be taken as child. Doesn't matter one who has got age. It doesn't depend on the age; it depends on the knowledge. So not only young children, but anyone who is unaware of the science, he is also a child. And anyone who knows this science, he is old. Vṛddhatvaṁ vāyasā vinā. There is a Sanskrit word that \"One man has become old even without age.\" This is contradictory.\nHow one can become old without age? Suppose a man, a boy, is sixteen years old... Just like Śukadeva Gosvāmī. He was teaching Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam when he was only sixteen years old, but he was so learned that when he entered the assembly, all the great sages, including his father, stood up to receive him. So he was oldest. So he was older than his father even. Why? Because he was so learned.\nSo our childishness or experience, old age, means according to the acquirement of knowledge. If one is advanced in knowledge, he is to be understood older. And if one is not advanced in knowledge, he is a child. That's all. So child does not mean that a five-years-old boy. Just like Prahlāda Mahārāja, he was only five years old, and just see how nicely he is teaching. So he is older than any other man. At least, he is older than his atheistic father.\nSo you should always remember that any man who is not aware of a particular subject matter, he is a child in that subject matter. And one who is fully aware in his particular subject—it doesn't matter what is his age—he is to be considered as elderly. [end]",
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"content": "\n All blessings to the assembled devotees. Thank you very much.\nSo this is the process of ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc Antya 20.12], to cleanse the material dust from the mirror of our mind.\n[Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.]\nThe whole process is to dust out the dirty things which we have accumulated by our material association, and therefore to revive our spiritual consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. From Bhagavad-gītā we are studying about the process of life by which we can revive our Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There is no need of external help for reviving Kṛṣṇa consciousness. You have got Kṛṣṇa consciousness dormant in yourself. It is the quality of the self. So the..., we have simply to invoke by this process.\nKṛṣṇa-bhakti nitya-siddha sādhya kabhu naya [Cc Madhya 22.107].\n[Pure love for Kṛṣṇa is eternally established in the hearts of the living entities. It is not something to be gained from another source. When the heart is purified by hearing and chanting, this love naturally awakens.]\nThis Kṛṣṇa consciousness is an eternal fact. It is nothing that by this organization we are imposing upon you something extra. No. It is within you. It is within every living entity. Any living entity—never mind whether he is human being or animal... When Lord Caitanya was singing this Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare, He was passing through jungles, forests, and the tigers, the elephants, the stag and all, I mean to..., forest animals, they joined. They joined. It is such a thing. Of course, it depends on the pure-hearted chanting. As we become... This is the process. As we become advanced in this chanting method, similarly, our heart becomes freed from all the dirty things of material contact. So even the animals can be captivated by this chanting, what to speak of human being.\nSo in our practical life Kṛṣṇa advises how to invoke this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He says,\nyasya sarve samārambhāḥ\nkāma-saṅkalpa-varjitāḥ\njñānāgni-dagdha-karmāṇaṁ\ntam āhuḥ paṇḍitaṁ budhāḥ\n[Bg 4.19]\n[One is understood to be in full knowledge whose every act is devoid of desire for sense gratification. He is said by sages to be a worker whose fruitive action is burned up by the fire of perfect knowledge.]\n[loud conversation going on in background]\n[aside:] Ask them to stop. Why do they come and talk nonsense?\nYasya sarve samārambhāḥ. You are not forbidden to execute your duties. We are not after stopping the general process of material activities. That is not our mission. The whole thing is that we have to act everything in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just like... It is very easy to understand. Everybody has got some vocation of his life. But what is their consciousness? Their consciousness is that \"I am engaged in this business, I am engaged in this service, because I have to maintain my family,\" \"I have to maintain myself,\" or \"I have to satisfy the government,\" or \"I have to satisfy somebody else.\" This is our consciousness. Nobody is free from such consciousness.\nEverybody must have some consciousness. Without consciousness, nothing can be done. One who has no consciousness, he cannot do anything nicely. If his consciousness is disturbed, then his work cannot be... Just like a madman. A madman cannot do anything nicely, because his consciousness is disturbed. So we, similarly, if we change the process only, that \"I am..., to satisfy Kṛṣṇa.\" Just like we are doing everything with that idea to satisfy somebody else, or at least myself, for my satisfaction. This process has to be changed to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that's all. This process has to be changed into Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore Lord Kṛṣṇa says, yasya sarve samārambhāḥ. \n[aside:] Those who want to come, we can invite them. Come inside.\nYasya sarve samārambhāḥ: \"Whatever activities you may do, do it,\" but kāma-saṅkalpa-varjitāḥ. Kāma-saṅkalpa-varjitāḥ: \"Don't be carried away by kāma.\" Kāma means for your own satisfaction, kāma. The word, Sanskrit word kāma, is used for lust, for desire, for sense satisfaction. So Lord Kṛṣṇa recommends that \"Don't do it for satisfaction of your senses, for satisfaction of your lust or for satisfaction of your desire.\" That is the whole thing. Whole teaching of Bhagavad-gītā is based on this principle.\nThe whole instruction to Arjuna is that Arjuna wanted to satisfy his senses. His senses. He wanted that, that by not fighting with the opposite party, who were composed of his relatives, brothers and brother-in-laws and father-in-laws and so many relatives, so he did not want to fight. And therefore this instruction of Bhagavad-gītā was needed by Kṛṣṇa. The whole basic principle is this.\nNow, that was Kṛṣṇa's..., Arjuna's own satisfaction of the senses. Arjuna did not want to fight. Materially, it appears very nice that he is giving up his claim of kingdom for satisfying his relatives. \"Oh, he's very good man.\" But Kṛṣṇa did not approve it. Why? Because the basic principle was Arjuna decided to satisfy his own senses. Externally it appeared very nice. But anything which is done for the satisfaction of his own senses, that is kāma, kāma—lust, desire.\nHere it is prescribed that you can do anything. There is no harm. Whatever your business or vocation, occupation, you are engaged in, that has not to be changed. That has not to be changed. Simply your consciousness has to be changed. That's all. Kāma-rāja-varjitāḥ. How? How that consciousness can be changed? Now, jñānāgni-dagdha-karmāṇam. That consciousness, transferring the present self-interested consciousness to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, requires knowledge. Requires knowledge. And what is that knowledge? That knowledge is that \"I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. I'm not different from Kṛṣṇa. I am part and parcel. I am the superior energy of Kṛṣṇa.\" That is knowledge.\nKnowledge means to understand something. How this tape recorder is manufactured, if we get some knowledge, technical knowledge, that is not knowledge. That is a, of course, to have some our occupation executed. That knowledge is temporary knowledge. But real knowledge is... This is real knowledge. The real knowledge is that when one understands convincingly that \"I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa.\" Kṛṣṇa, or God. When we say Kṛṣṇa, you should understand the Supreme Lord, the Absolute Truth. Kṛṣṇa is the technical word which is meant for indicating the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the whole, the whole pleasure, the whole attraction. These are the meaning of \"Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSo we are all part and parcel of the supreme pleasure, and our pleasure... Just like my hand. This is my hand. Now, this my hand can take pleasure when it is attached with my body. My hand can take pleasure when it serves my body. It does not take pleasure by serving your body.\n[aside:] This is [indistinct]. Sit here.\nSo therefore, because I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, my pleasure, my happiness, is dependent by serving Kṛṣṇa, just like my senses are satisfied when they are used for my purpose, not for your purpose. This is the whole, I mean to say, philosophy. I cannot be satisfied by serving you. I can be satisfied by serving me. So that me, I do not know. That is Kṛṣṇa. That is Kṛṣṇa.\nSo when we begin to serve Kṛṣṇa... Because we are part and parcel. Always remember, the part and parcel we are. Mamaivāṁśo jīva-loke jīva-bhūtaḥ sanātanaḥ [Bg 15.7].\n[The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.]\nIn the Fifteenth Chapter you'll find, \"All these living entities, they are My eternal part and parcel. Now they are detached. Now they are detached. By material contact, they are detached.\" So we have to... The whole process is that we have to attach again. Now we are detached. Now we have to attach again. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nThat Kṛṣṇa consciousness is within you, because you are originally, eternally the part and parcel of the Supreme. Artificially, I am trying to forget it. I am trying to live independently. That is not possible. We are not independent. If we want to live independently, that means we voluntarily become dependent on the influence of material nature. That's all.\nActually, we are not independent. If I think I am independent of Kṛṣṇa, then I am dependent on the influence of material nature. Just like, if I think that I am independent of government regulation, then I become dependent of the police force. My dependence is neither in this way or that way. I'll see? So that is our mistaken. Everyone is trying to be..., become independent. That is called māyā. That is called māyā, or illusion. Nobody can be independent. Individually, community-wise, society-wise or nation-wise—you can extend even universal-wise—nobody can be independent. We are dependent. And this is called knowledge. When you come to the sense that \"I am dependent; I am not independent,\" this is called knowledge.\nNow we are misguided. Jñānāgni-dagdha karmāṇam. In other place, you'll find, Kṛṣṇa says,\nbhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ\nsarva-loka-maheśvaram\nsuhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ\njñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchati\n[Bg 5.29]\n[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]\nNow, people are planning for peace in the world, but they do not know how to formulate that peace formula. You know, the United Nation are trying for the last twenty years or more than that for peace, but there is no peace actually in the world. The war is going on because they do not know.\nThe formula is in the Bhagavad-gītā. The Bhagavad-gītā says that bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram: \"I am the proprietor of everything. Whatever you are doing, I am the ultimate beneficiary. I have to take the result.\" Just like a laborer works in a factory, but who is the proprietor? The ultimate proprietor is the..., the proprietor is the ultimate owner of the... So everything, whatever we do... Jñānāgni-dagdha-karmāṇam. Now, we are thinking that \"This thing I am doing, I am the proprietor of this thing.\" That is a misconception. When we understand that everything, whatever we are doing, the ultimate proprietor is Kṛṣṇa, that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is jñānāgni-dagdha-karmāṇam.\nSo we can have simply... Just like in office. In office so many people are working. Hundreds of people are working. Everyone is conscious that \"Whatever we are acting, whatever profit we are making, that belongs to the proprietor.\" Then there is peace. As soon as the cashier thinks, \"Oh, I have got so much money. I am the proprietor,\" then whole trouble begins.\nThis consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness... If we understand that \"I am a very rich man. I have got so much bank balance. I can use it for my sense gratification,\" that is kāma. That is kāma-rāga. But if we understand that \"Whatever I have got, it belongs to Kṛṣṇa,\" then I am liberated person. I am liberated person. This is Kṛṣṇa... You, you'll have the same money under your custody. It doesn't matter. But as soon as you think that \"I am the proprietor of this wealth,\" then you are under the influence of māyā. And as soon as you think that \"Kṛṣṇa is the proprietor of all these things,\" then you are free.\nKāma-rāja-varjitāḥ, jñānāgni-dagdha-karmāṇaṁ tam āhuḥ paṇḍitaṁ budhāḥ: \"One who thinks like that, one who is situated in that consciousness,\" paṇḍitaṁ budhāḥ, \"he is learned, and he is actually a man of knowledge.\" This is the whole process. Tam āhuḥ. Tam, he is known as the paṇḍita. Paṇḍita means one who knows things as it is, not to take a thing wrongly. So that consciousness has to be invoked, not only individually, but also community-wise, society-wise, nation-wise, all over the world. Then there will be peace. If you want real peace.\nbhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ\nsarva-loka-maheśvaram\nsuhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ\njñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchati\n[Bg 5.29]\n[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]\nWe are just trying to be philanthropic, altruistic. And we are trying to become friend of my countrymen, of my society, of my family. But that is a wrong conception. Real friend is Kṛṣṇa. I can work on His behalf. How I can work? You try. If you actually want to do something good to your family, then you try to make all the members of your family Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then your life will be successful. If you want to make them otherwise, without Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then you will be serving..., not serving; you will be rendering them disservice. Because any knowledge will not help your wife or children. Any knowledge, any amount of knowledge, will not help his real problem.\nWhat is his real problem we do not know. The real problem is... That we do not know. The real problem is janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi [Bg 13.9]. \n[Humility, pridelessness, nonviolence, tolerance, simplicity, approaching a bona fide spiritual master, cleanliness, steadiness and self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification, absence of false ego, the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; nonattachment to children, wife, home and the rest, and evenmindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me, resorting to solitary places, detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization, and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth—all these I thus declare to be knowledge, and what is contrary to these is ignorance.]\nThe Bhāgavata says, pitā na sa syāj jananī na sā syāt [SB 5.5.18]: \n[One who cannot deliver his dependents from the path of repeated birth and death should never become a spiritual master, a relative, a father, a husband, a mother or a worshipable demigod.]\n\"One should not try to become father. One should not try to become mother.\" Why? Na mocayed yaḥ samupeta-mṛtyum: \"One who is unable to save his children from the grip of material nature.\" That should be Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If you are a responsible father, then, if you are completely in knowledge of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then your duty will be that \"These creatures, these innocent creatures now who are playing in my..., at my home as my children, as my boy, now this life should be the last installment of his transmigration from one body to another. I shall train these boys in such a way that after this body he will have no more to go into the cycle of birth and death.\" That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nThat means you have to make yourself expert. Then you can help your children also. Then you can help your nation also. Then you can help your society also. If you are yourself ignorant, then,\nandhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās\nte 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ\n[SB 7.5.31]\n[Persons who are strongly entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is to return home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Viṣṇu. As blind men guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, materially attached men led by another materially attached man are bound by the ropes of fruitive labor, which are made of very strong cords, and they continue again and again in materialistic life, suffering the threefold miseries.]\nJust like a person who is, I mean, tightly bound-up, hands and feet. Suppose we are sitting here, some people, twenty-five gentlemen, ladies, and all our hands are tightly bound-up by some rope. And if I want to make you free, although my hand is also tightly bound-up, is it possible? No. At least my hand should be free. Then I can open, I can untie your bindings by the rope. So unless one is free man... And what is that freedom? One who is Kṛṣṇa conscious, he is free man. And nobody is free man.\ndaivī hy eṣā guṇa-mayī\nmama māyā duratyayā\nmām eva ye prapadyante\nmāyām etāṁ taranti te\n[Bg 7.14]\n[This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.]\nEveryone is under the spell of material influence. Nobody's free. And one who is..., who has surrendered unto Kṛṣṇa, one who has taken Kṛṣṇa consciousness, māyā has nothing to do. Māyā cannot touch. Just like when..., if you come in front of the sunlight, there is no question of darkness. There is no question of darkness if you place yourself in light, sunlight, not this artificial light. This artificial light may be extinguished at any time, but sunlight is not like that. So Kṛṣṇa is just like sunlight. As soon as you come in front of sun, oh, there is no darkness. So there is no ignorance. So there is no māyā. Māyā means illusion.\nSo, jñānāgni-dagdha-karmāṇaṁ tam āhuḥ paṇḍitaṁ budhāḥ [Bg 4.19].\n[One is understood to be in full knowledge whose every act is devoid of desire for sense gratification. He is said by sages to be a worker whose fruitive action is burned up by the fire of perfect knowledge.]\nIn this way, we have to become budha. Budha means learned. Learned. And you'll find in the Tenth Chapter of Bhagavad-gītā that the Lord says who is budha and what are the symptoms of budha. Budha means learned. What are the symptom? What are the symptoms of mahātmā, great soul? And what are the symptoms of budha? That is described in Bhagavad-gītā. It is said that,\nahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo\nmattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate\niti matvā bhajante māṁ\nbudhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ\n[Bg 10.8]\n[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]\nBudha, this word, the very word, again is used, budha. So budha, one who is learned, one who is actually in sense—he's not nonsense—he's called budha. So budha, what are the symptoms? The symptoms of budha is that ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ: he knows that Kṛṣṇa is the fountainhead of all emanations, everything, whatever we find—everything. Anything, whatever you see.\nNow, take for example, take for example the material world. The most prominent thing is, I mean to say, unity between man and woman. Now, one can enquire, \"Wherefrom this attraction comes between male and female?\" Not only the human society, but also in animal society, in the bird society, in any society, any living... This is a fact.\nSo somebody criticizes, but those who do not know Kṛṣṇa, that Kṛṣṇa had so many girlfriends, so they are... Some people are criticize. But one does not know that where we get this idea of having girlfriend unless the tendency is in Kṛṣṇa? Because you can have nothing here unless that is in Kṛṣṇa. But here it is perverted; it is polluted. And Kṛṣṇa, it is pure consciousness, pure spiritual. That is the difference.\nSo one who does not know, they want to avoid something. Nothing is, I mean to, can be, can exist in this material world unless it is in Kṛṣṇa. Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1].\n[O my Lord, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmājī, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth.]\nSo these things have to be studied very scientifically and from books like Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, and when he is perfectly learned, then his symptom is that he becomes a, a pure devotee of Kṛṣṇa. Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate [Bg 10.8]:\n[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]\n\"I am the source, fountainhead,\" Kṛṣṇa says. \"I am the source and fountainheadlike, of everything. One who understands this science, then he takes to Kṛṣṇa.\" How? Now, budhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ: with full knowledge, he becomes a devotee of Kṛṣṇa.\nSimilarly, so far mahātmā... Mahātmā is a Sanskrit word which is used for great soul. That is also described in the Bhagavad-gītā.\nmahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha\ndaivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ\nbhajanty ananya-manaso\njñātvā bhūtādim avyayam\n[Bg 9.13]\n[O son of Pṛthā, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible.]\nMahātmā. Who is a mahātmā? He is a great soul. Great soul is he who is under the influence of the superior nature.\nThere are two kinds of nature: superior nature and inferior nature. Now we are under the influence of this inferior, material nature. And that..., by Kṛṣṇa consciousness we shall be transferred into the superior nature. Just try to understand: a person in the prison, a person outside the prison. The government's influence is in both the places, outside the prison and inside the prison. But outside the prison, the government's rules and regulation is superior. And inside, that is inferior. So influence is there.\nSimilarly, either in the material world or in the spiritual world, wherever you, you are, your position is marginal. You can transfer yourself either in this, under the influence of this inferior nature, or you can transfer yourself under the influence of superior nature. Your position is marginal.\nNow, you are given... Because Kṛṣṇa is full independent, and because you are also part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, therefore you have got the quality of independence, to make your choice whether to be under the influence of this inferior nature or to become under the influence of superior nature. But because we do not know what is that superior nature, therefore we have no other alternative than to remain in this inferior nature. This is the whole position.\nBecause in the world there are many philosophies. They are informing that \"There is no other nature. This nature, which we have experienced, it is troublesome. Make an end of it and become void.\" Oh, you cannot be void, because you are living entity and eternal. Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg 2.20].\n[For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.]\nYour change of body does not mean that you are finished. No. You are continuing. Vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni. Because I change my dress, that does not mean that I am finished. So I am eternal. If I have to finish the... If I have to get rid, out of the influence of material nature, then I have to seek, \"Where is my place?\" If we know or do not know, then we prefer, \"All right, whatever it may be, inferior or superior, let us remain here and rot.\"\nSo Bhagavad-gītā gives you information of the superior nature: yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama [Bg 15.6], na tad bhāsayate sūryo na candro na pāvakaḥ. \n[That abode of Mine is not illumined by the sun or moon, nor by electricity. One who reaches it never returns to this material world.]\nSo we have to become Kṛṣṇa conscious by scrutinizing, studying, this authoritative book, Śrīmad Bhagavad-gītā, without having fashionable interpretation. As it is. What Kṛṣṇa says, He says for all the time. It does not change.\nJust like the verse which we are just now discussing, He says that \"It does not matter in whatever occupation you are. Simply you have to change your consciousness. You are now guided by the consciousness of self-interest, of sense gratification.\" Self-interest. Not exactly self-interest, because we do not know what is our self-interest. Rather sense interest; not self-interest, but sense interest. Whatever we are doing, we are doing for satisfying the senses. This consciousness has to be changed. We have to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. That consciousness has to be invoked, and then our life will be successful.\nThank you very much. If there is any question, you can put.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n It's not dedicated to Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n The work is not dedicated to Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n How, specifically, how can you do this?",
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"content": "\n Well, first of all, if you want to find peace, don't you have to believe that war is wrong, any kind of war?",
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"content": "\n The Bhagavad-gītā teaches that there is good war and bad war.",
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"content": "\n And a little bit like, later on, the Crusades.",
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"content": "\n It was a holy war, and it was looked on as a good war and existed for a good purpose.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa believed that it was all right to kill the enemies of Arjuna because it was a righteous war.",
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"content": "\n Now, if you have a philosophy like that, and find peace?",
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"content": "\n What do you mean by peace, then?",
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"content": "\n Absence of war.",
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"content": "\n Not necessarily. Not necessarily. Absence of war is not peace. Just think over. Suppose now there is no war. Do you think that everybody is in peace? Ask any individual person that \"Are you in peace? Are you in peace of mind or peace of...?\" No. War is not only the cause. There are many other causes which disturbs our peace. War is one of the causes. But, simply if you stop war, that does not mean peace is guaranteed. No. War is one of the disturbing thing of peace. But there are many other disturbing things, many, incalculable, which will disturb you. You see? So we have to take relief from all disturbing position. War is one of the item. And that can be done when you are Kṛṣṇa conscious.",
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"content": "\n Well, how can it be done if you're Kṛṣṇa conscious and Kṛṣṇa Himself was a proponent of war?",
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"content": "\n [chuckles] You are speaking to war. You see? The war has nothing to do...",
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"content": "\n Well, the Bhagavad-gītā starts out with a war.",
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"content": "\n Yes, but... That's all right, but that war was a necessary thing. You cannot, I mean to say, completely eradicate war from the social life. Just like government maintains the law and order force. There is necessity. Why the government maintains so much police force and military force? There is necessity.",
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"content": "\n Well, if you believe, if you believe that it's necessary...",
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"content": "\n ...then that's the end of the discussion. Because if you believe it's necessary, then Kṛṣṇa believes it's necessary.",
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"content": "\n Everything is necessary, but whole... Our position is that, so far our material existence is concerned, that there are so many things that... But one thing, or the four things, janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi: that we are under the entanglement of repeated birth, death, diseases and old age. These four things does not depend on war or peace. Suppose there is no war. Can you get free from diseases? Suppose there is no war. Can you get free from death? Suppose there is no war. Can you become..., remain a young man all the time? No. Your problem is these four things. You have to solve that thing.\nJanma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam\n[Bg 13.9]. \n[Humility, pridelessness, nonviolence, tolerance, simplicity, approaching a bona fide spiritual master, cleanliness, steadiness and self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification, absence of false ego, the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; nonattachment to children, wife, home and the rest, and evenmindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me, resorting to solitary places, detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization, and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth—all these I thus declare to be knowledge, and what is contrary to these is ignorance.]\nBhagavad-gītā says that this war or no war, that is no question. So long the human society will be there, there will be sometimes fighting, sometimes peace, sometimes... That is another thing. The whole problem is that a learned man sees that \"My problem is that I don't want to die. Why there is death? I don't want to be old man. Why I, there is old age?\" These are... These are the problems. Real problem, these are the problems.\nJanma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam [Bg 13.9]. A learned man, a man of real knowledge, he should see that \"I am...\" Not only war. Suppose there will be excessive heat. Oh, I am so much disturbed. There is no peace. Oh, there is excessive snowfall, cold. Oh, I am disturbed. So there are so many disturbances. So we have to get free from all disturbances—because I do not want it, my nature does not tolerate these things, but I have been forced to tolerate. That is your problem.\nThat can be solved by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are talking the wholesale solution, not a particular thing. There are so many disturbing things, especially they are under the headings of these four principles:\njanma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam. \nSo... Mad-dhāma gatvā. Just the other day we discussed the śloka, that tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya [Bg 4.9]:\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\n\"Now, one who becomes Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then the result will be that just after quitting this body, he comes to Me. No more coming to this material world.\"\nSo long you'll be in the material world—material world means so long we'll have this material body—we'll have to face so many disturbances. War is one of them. Suppose there is, perpetually, there is no war. Do you mean to say there will be perpetual peace? No. There are so many other things. At once, if there is some upheaval in the Atlantic Ocean, the whole thing is swallowed up; your beautiful New York City will be no more there. There are so many natural disturbances. What to speak of war, what you have...",
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"content": "\n Bhagavad-gītā speaks of war. It started out with a war.",
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"content": "\n No, what... I mean to say, Bhagavad-gītā says... Bhagavad-gītā does not say that stop war. Bhagavad-gītā says stop your repeated birth and death. Bhagavad-gītā is not concerned with the war principle. The war will remain so long the human society is there. How can you stop it?",
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"content": "\n Well, some people don't believe that it's necessary.",
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"content": "\n Some people, they foolishly believe. Because, so long the human society will continue, there is no history that there was no war in the history. So war there will be.",
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"content": "\n Well, there's never been in history that everyone has accepted Kṛṣṇa, either, and yet you...",
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"content": "\n No, you do not think that... Of course, when you are Kṛṣṇa conscious, when you are not in this material world, then there is no question of war also. My point is that war is not only the only disturbing principle. There are many other disturbing principles. So we have to make a wholesale solution of all principles. That is the point.",
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"content": "\n War is only a symptom.",
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"content": "\n I think I am only giving the gross ones: earth, air, fire, water, ether and [indistinct], mind, intelligence and ego.",
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"content": "\n Eight. It comes to eight. Then?",
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"content": "\n Ten. Ten knowledge-acquiring, five, and working senses, five. Ten. So eight, ten—eighteen. Then sense objects. Just like I have got eye, but I have to see something, dṛśya. So there are five sense objects. Eighteen and five—twenty-three. And mahat-tattva, the original stock of all material... In this way, they are called twenty-four elements.\nSo this whole creation, whatever material creation we have got, they are made of these twenty-four el... Just like colors. Varieties of color means three color: yellow, red and blue. Those who are expert in color mixing, they'll mix these three colors into eighty-one colors. Three into three equals nine; nine into nine equals eighty-one. So expert colorists, they can display these three colors into eighty-one.\nSimilarly, the material nature... Of course, this is one, one energy. But within this energy there are three qualities: sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa. By interaction of these three qualities, the manaḥ, buddhi, ahaṅkāra—the subtle elements—are manufactured, and then from the subtle elements, the grosser elements are manufactured.\nThen their objectives. In this way, the creation is going on. But it requires so much time to create such huge cosmic manifestation, but God is so perfect, as soon as He desires, He says, \"Let there be creation,\" immediately the creation. That is God.\nThank you. [devotees offer obeisances] [end]",
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"content": "\n Renunciation. Giving up everything. In spite of having everything, if one can renounce at a moment's notice—\"I don't want\"—that is called renunciation.\nSo when you find these six things in complete, then He's God. This is the definition of God, and these things, completely you'll find in Kṛṣṇa. In the history, if you take human history... The Kṛṣṇa, of course, was present as a man, personality. But when He was present, all these six things were completely present in Him. Therefore He was accepted.\nAs in the morning class, we were discussing about the symptoms of incarnation. So in the śāstra, in the scripture, these symptoms are given. Similarly, who is Bhagavān, who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, that is also given. And Kṛṣṇa, this word means all-attractive. Because He has got all these things in complete, naturally He's attractive. Just like we have analyzed that beauty attracts, wealth attracts, fame attracts, education..., knowledge attracts. So He has got all these attractive features. Therefore He is completely attractive. Kṛṣṇa means the supreme attractive. This is the meaning of Kṛṣṇa. And therefore He's Bhagavān. Because He's completely attractive, therefore He's Bhagavān.\nSo here it is said, bhagavān uvāca. Bhagavān uvāca. The Vyāsadeva, writer, he says that bhagavān, now, uvāca, said. What? He has already..., we have finished Ninth Chapter. He has already said, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg 18.65]:\n[Always think of Me and become My devotee. Worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend.]\n\"Just become always thinking of Me. Just become My devotee. Just worship Me.\" Man-manā, man-manā bhava mad-bhakta mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru. \"Just offer your obediences.\" Mām evaiṣyasi. If you continue these four things... What are these four things? Man-manāḥ, always fix up your mind in Kṛṣṇa. That means you become always in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nAnd, thinking of Kṛṣṇa as enemy or as friend? Sometimes we think of enemy also. \"Oh, the enemy might be coming,\" \"Oh, he's..., my enemy is becoming very strong.\" So not that sort of thinking. Bhakti means... There is... Everything has got definition. That is called śāstra. What is that bhakti? Devotion. Devotion means anuśīlanam, cultivation of Kṛṣṇa knowledge favorably, not unfavorably. Sometimes to kill some enemy, we do many things to kill our enemies. In the laboratory you think of manufacturing atomic, nuclear bombs. That is also thinking. But that sort of thinking is not bhakti. Therefore bhakti means ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānuśīlanam [Cc Madhya 19.167].\n[When first-class devotional service develops, one must be devoid of all material desires, knowledge obtained by monistic philosophy, and fruitive action. The devotee must constantly serve Kṛṣṇa favorably, as Kṛṣṇa desires.]\nAnd favorably you have to think of Kṛṣṇa, not unfavorably.\nIf you think of Kṛṣṇa just to kill Him... Just like Kaṁsa, His maternal uncle, he wanted to kill his nephew. Kṛṣṇa was the nephew of Kaṁsa. He was always thinking of Kṛṣṇa, how to kill Him. How to kill Him. So that is unfavorable thinking. Not that sort of thinking. Man-manā bhava. Just thinking... \"Just be always thinking of Me\" does not mean that you shall think of Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord, as your enemy, but as your friend, or lovable object. Man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ. Bhakta means we should be always ready to render loving service to Kṛṣṇa. That sort of thinking. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī. Just become a worshiper of Kṛṣṇa. And māṁ namaskuru: \"And offer your obeisances unto Me.\"\nBy following these four principles, mām evaiṣyasi asaṁśayaḥ [Bg 18.68].\n[For one who explains this supreme secret to the devotees, pure devotional service is guaranteed, and at the end he will come back to Me.]\nKṛṣṇa says to Arjuna, \"My dear Arjuna, if you follow these four principles, then surely you will come back to Me, back to home, back to Godhead.\" This has already been explained in the last verse of Ninth Chapter.\nAnd in the Tenth Chapter the Lord says, bhagavān uvāca, the Supreme Lord says, bhūya eva mahā-bāho śṛṇu me paramaṁ vacaḥ [Bg 10.1]:\n[The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Listen again, O mighty-armed Arjuna. Because you are My dear friend, for your benefit I shall speak to you further, giving knowledge that is better than what I have already explained.]\n\"Now I have already said what is the process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Now you hear further more information.\" Yat te 'haṁ prīyamāṇāya vakṣyāmi hita-kāmyayā. Because Kṛṣṇa and Arjuna were, I mean to say, in relationship of friends; therefore He said that yat te ahaṁ prīyamāṇāya: \"Because you are My, My..., you are My dear friend, therefore, vakṣyāmi, I am speaking to you.\"\nThat means the same chapter of Bhagavad-gītā, what is spoken there, it is not meant for any ordinary person. It is meant for those who are a little bit advanced in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. One who has accepted Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and he's conscious about Him, for them it will be relishable. For others, it will not be relishable.\nWhy? Now just like you have got a beloved son, little child. You are always thinking of it. You are speaking, \"Oh, my child this morning, he was playing like this. Oh, he was dancing like this.\" So you are thinking, you are speaking. Others may be disturbed. Why? Because it is not his..., that child is not his. He has no love for it. He has no love for it. He doesn't like to hear. Therefore it is said here, this part of which in the same chapter, it is meant for such persons who are a little advanced in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nJust like confidential things is spoken to a very confidential friend or relative, similarly, this is little more confidential than what is spoken in the Ninth Chapter. Tenth Chapter. Yat te 'haṁ prīyamāṇāya vakṣyāmi hita-kāmyayā:\n\"Because you are My dear friend, and for your benefit I am speaking.\" A friend is always well-wisher of a friend. And what to speak of Kṛṣṇa. If Kṛṣṇa becomes one's friend and He becomes well-wisher, then what do you want more? You know that we have already described Kṛṣṇa, the all riches, all strength, all knowledge, all beauty and all fame and all renunciation is there. So if He becomes your friend, if He becomes your well-wisher, then what do you want more? If you have got a friend who is very rich and very powerful, then do you think anything required more? A friend can sacrifice everything for a friend, and here is a friend where there is no limitation. There is no limitation of wealth, there is no limitation of favors.\nSo here Lord Kṛṣṇa says, \"I am speaking to you for your benefit.\" If you become Kṛṣṇa conscious in either of these five relationships... A devotee becomes related with Kṛṣṇa in five different transcendental mellows. One can be related as silent devotee. Silent devotee means he knows Kṛṣṇa is very great. Kṛṣṇa is very great. \"God is great.\" To accept this principle, that is also devotion. He does not do anything for God, but he admits God is great. That is called silent devotion.\nNow, if one advances a little more, he wants to do something for Kṛṣṇa. Just like if you think somebody is very great, very noble, then if you think that \"I must do something for that man,\" so this is called dāsya. First, śānta, neutral, then activity begins. This is better stage than the śānta stage. In the śānta stage a devotee simply admits the greatness of God. But when he makes a further advancement in the understanding of that greatness, that is the beginning of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, when one wants to do something for Kṛṣṇa.\nNow here, in this material world, we can do so many things for Kṛṣṇa. So many things. What are those things? Now suppose if you want to do something for somebody, then you must know how that particular gentleman is satisfied. Otherwise, if you want to do something without knowing what does he want, then that is useless. You must know the mind of the person to whom you want to serve.\nNow what Kṛṣṇa wants, that is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā in various places. What is that? In the Fifteenth Chapter you'll find Kṛṣṇa says,\nmamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ\njīva-loke sanātanaḥ\nmanaḥ ṣaṣṭhānīndriyāṇi\nprakṛti-sthāni karṣati\n[Bg 15.7]\n[The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.]\n\"All these living entities, they are My part and parcel.\" Just like your son or your daughter is the part and parcel of your own body, personal body, similarly, we are all part and parcel of the Supreme God. We are all sons of God. How is it? That is also mentioned in the Bhagavad-gītā, in the Fourteenth Chapter:\nsarva-yoniṣu kaunteya\nsambhavanti mūrtayaḥ yāḥ\ntāsāṁ mahad yonir brahma\nahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā\n[Bg 14.4]\n[It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kuntī, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father.]\nThe Lord Kṛṣṇa says that \"My dear Arjuna, you find so many species of life, eight..., eight thousand,\" no, \"8,400,000, 8,400,000's of species of life. All of them, they are My sons. I am the seed-giving father.\" He accepts. So every living being, either man or beast or ant or birds, everyone, anywhere, they're all sons of God. And they are suffering here.\nManaḥ ṣaṣṭhānīndriyāṇi prakṛti-sthāni karṣati\n[Bg 15.7].\n[The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.]\nThey have, somehow or other, they have come in contact with this material nature, and each and every one of these living entities, they are making..., having a hard struggle for existence. But under the spell of the illusory energy, they are thinking, \"We are happy,\" although whole day and night they are unhappy; their desires are not fulfilled. They want something, but they are forced to accept something else. This is going on.\nThis is called hard struggle for existence. Nobody's satisfied. There is always disruption. In this moment, I am your friend. Next moment, I am your enemy. This moment, I am your husband or wife. Next moment, no. \"Don't see my face. I'll not see your face.\" Divorce. So these things are going on. So this is called struggle. I am wanting something, but I am accept..., I am forcefully being bound to accept something else. This is called struggle. So this is going on.\nSo therefore Kṛṣṇa gives you message that these living entities, they are very unhappy in this material world under the spell of material energy. Under the spell of illusory energy, they are thinking that they are happy, in ignorance. Just like the animals, they cannot know, they do not know what is unhappiness. When there is a slaughterhouse, they'll be slaughtered next moment. They are standing and eating grass, because due to ignorance. They do not know. Similarly, when human society becomes plunged into ignorance, they do not know what is unhappiness. Their struggle for existence, and therefore..., therefore they are in unhappiness. They are never satisfied; full of anxiety. In spite of having all these things, the foolish man says, \"Yes, we are advancing in civilization.\" This is their ignorance and foolishness.\nSo Kṛṣṇa conscious persons, if they want to serve Kṛṣṇa, if they want to render some service to Kṛṣṇa, their first business is to dispel this ignorance of the human. That is the best service. That is the best service. People have manufactured so many philanthropic association, charitable association and hospitals and so many things. But if somebody or if some association can enlighten people to the Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that is the best service to the human society. That is best service to the human society.\nSo a further advancement from neutrality, that \"I love Kṛṣṇa, or God, because He's great,\" no, that love is not sufficient. We must render some service to the Kṛṣṇa. Just like Arjuna. Arjuna is rendering service to Kṛṣṇa as a soldier. Kṛṣṇa wanted that the Battle of Kurukṣetra should be executed, and Arjuna did not like it because it was concerned to his family members, with his brothers, and to his..., so he did not like it. But when, after hearing this Bhagavad-gītā, he became Kṛṣṇa conscious, he executed the will of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa wanted that the fighting must continue, so he executed, in spite of his own conclusion that he would not fight.\nSo this is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that one has to do. That is better con... Simply to know, simply to make God as order-supplier, \"I love God because He gives me my daily bread,\" that is also good, good sense. But better sense is that how you can serve Kṛṣṇa. If God is giving you bread daily, so you have no duty to return. God will give you bread, either you want it or not want it. He is giving bread to the cats and dogs and ants and so many animals, so why not to you, human being? Oh, that He will give. Don't bother about that. Don't bother about that. Your bread will come, wherever you may be. Either you may remain in America or in Europe or in India, wherever, your bread is already there.\nTherefore, tasyaiva hetoḥ prayateta kovidaḥ\n[SB 1.5.18].\n[Persons who are actually intelligent and philosophically inclined should endeavor only for that purposeful end which is not obtainable even by wandering from the topmost planet [Brahmaloka] down to the lowest planet [Pātāla]. As far as happiness derived from sense enjoyment is concerned, it can be obtained automatically in course of time, just as in course of time we obtain miseries even though we do not desire them.]\nYou should rise up to the occasion how to serve God. And this is the greatest necessity of the present-day civilization. People are suffering due to godlessness, and if you want to serve the people, your society, your country, the whole human society, then try yourself, best, try your best, you just rise up to the occasion of becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious and just spread this philosophy to the world. There will be happiness, there will be peace, and everyone will be blessed.\nThank you very much. If there are any questions... [end]",
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"content": "\n [sings Śrī Śrī Ṣaḍ-gosvāmy-aṣṭaka; devotees sing responsively]\nvande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau\nvande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau\nvande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau\nkṛṣṇotkīrtana-gāna-nartana-parau premāmṛtāmbho-nidhī\nkṛṣṇotkīrtana-gāna-nartana-parau premāmṛtāmbho-nidhī\ndhīrādhīra-jana-priyau priya-karau nirmatsarau pūjitau\ndhīrādhīra-jana-priyau priya-karau nirmatsarau pūjitau\ndhīrādhīra-jana-priyau priya-karau nirmatsarau pūjitau\nśrī-caitanya-kṛpā-bharau bhuvi bhuvo bhārāvahantārakau\nśrī-caitanya-kṛpā-bharau bhuvi bhuvo bhārāvahantārakau\nvande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau\nvande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau\nkṛṣṇotkīrtana-gāna-nartana-parau premāmṛtāmbho-nidhī\nThank you. Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nom ajñāna-timirāndhasya jñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena tasmai śrī-gurave-namaḥ\n[\"I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who with the torchlight of knowledge has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance.\"]\nśrī-caitanya-mano-'bhīṣṭaṁ sthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale\nsvayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ dadāti sva-padāntikam\n[\"When will Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet?\"]\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-[?]\nna yat punaḥ karmasu sajjate mano\nrajas-tamobhyāṁ kalilaṁ tato 'nyathā\n[SB 6.2.46]\nSo we have been discussing the advantage of chanting the holy name. This is recommended for all the ages, but especially for this ages. It is not that something new has been advented. Just like for this particular Kali-yuga, from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, which was written, recorded, five thousand years ago, and this incident of Ajāmila's deliverance, it took place long, long ago before writing this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. It is a historical reference.\nSo tens of thousand years ago, the same recommendation was there, but it is more advantageous in this age. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's introduction. No ācārya will introduce something new of his own concoction. Then he is not ācārya. Always remember: evaṁ paramparā-prāptam [Bg. 4.2]. One has to receive knowledge, Vedic knowledge, through the disciple chain, and it is the business of the ācārya which one is suitable for the particular time, age, circumstances. That is ācārya.\nJust like we are chanting about the Gosvāmīs. Five hundred years ago these Gosvāmīs left their opulent position as ministers, as zamindars—they were very highly posted. Vande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau. All of them either were very, very rich man or very, very great scholar, learned scholar. They are not ordinary men. So they left their home, Rūpa, Sanātana, Raghunāth dāsa Gosvāmī.\nRaghunāth dāsa Gosvāmī, he was the only child of his father and uncle, and at that time their income not less than one lakh of rupees per month. One lakh of rupees of that day, it is fifty lakhs now; you can understand from the exchange value. So he was such rich man, and he was only child. The whole property was for him. And he was married, with a very, very beautiful wife. He left everything for preaching Caitanya Mahāprabhu's cult.\nSimilarly Rūpa Gosvāmī, he was highly exalted minister in the government of Nawab Hussain Shah, both the brothers. Practically the whole kingdom was entrusted to them. The Nawab was very happy by entrusting the administration to these Gosvāmīs because they were so expert administrator. So when Sanātana Gosvāmī expressed his desire to resign the post, the Nawab was very, very much disturbed. You know this story. So out of his anger he arrested him, that \"You may not go away.\"\nSo these Gosvāmīs, although very..., occupied very exalted positions, they were living in Vṛndāvana as a very, very poor mendicant. They will not live underneath a tree more than one night, because one may develop some attachment after living two or three nights. There is a process for the sannyāsīs. A sannyāsī cannot live in a place more than three days. That is injunction.\nSo it is very difficult nowadays to follow exactly all the rules and regulation. But His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Goswami Prabhupāda, because he is an ācārya, he introduced that a sannyāsī can live in a palatial building. It may appear that he introduced something against the principles of the Gosvāmīs, because our Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava, they are rūpānuga-viruddhāpa siddhānta-dhvānta-hāriṇe [Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Praṇati].\nWe pray for our spiritual master, rūpā anuga viruddhā—anything which is against the principles of Rūpa Gosvāmī. Rūpānuga-viruddhā. Viruddhā means \"against the principles of\"; āpasiddhānta, \"such kind of conclusion.\" His Divine Grace was very much against such principle.\nBut one may say that the Rūpa Gosvāmī lived underneath a tree only for one night. Both the brothers also would not live together. Sanātana Gosvāmī would live somewhere; Rūpa Gosvāmī would live somewhere. They were following. Sometimes Rūpa Gosvāmī will invite his elder brother. In this way they are living in Vṛndāvana. But does it mean that Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Goswami, instead of living under the tree overnight, he was living in Calcutta in a palatial building—so does it mean that he broke the principles of Rūpa Gosvāmī? No.\nThat is ācārya. The ācārya has to make convenient means how people can get the principle. If Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Goswami would not have introduced these principles, nobody would come to the principles of Rūpa Gosvāmī. In these days, nobody is prepared to go to Vṛndāvana and live underneath a tree overnight. That is very, very difficult task.\nSo ācārya's business is to see how people will take it. First business is that. That is recommendation by Rūpa Gosvāmī: yena tena prakāreṇa manaḥ kṛṣṇe niveśayet [Brs. 1.2.4]. Rūpa Gosvāmī recommends according to circumstances you find out means how people will take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Sarve vidhi-niveṣedhāḥ syur etayor eva kiṅkarāḥ [Brs. 1.2.4].\nThis vidhi-niveṣedha, the restriction, the rules and regulation, might be introduced later on, which may serve as servant. Not that if you simply stick to the rules and regulation and forget the real business. That is called niyamāgraha. We have to find out what is the suitable means to take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nTherefore Rūpa Gosvāmī is worshiped: vande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau śrī-jīva-gopālakau [Śrī Śrī Ṣaḍ-gosvāmy-aṣṭaka]. Dhīrādhīra-jana-priyau. They adopted such means. We have to follow the principle, how we can attract people to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Dhīrādhīra-jana-priyau. That is the business of ācārya. Not that to follow a stereotype rules and regulation and forget the real business of preaching the cult.\nHe's not ācārya. Ācārya is he who adopts means by which people may be attracted to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. So the ācārya..., Caitanya Mahāprabhu as ācārya introduced these all principles for the convenience of this age, and that is also recommended.\nSo our business is, as you have already adopted, that we should chant according to Caitanya Mahāprabhu's recommendations that kīrtaniya sadā hariḥ [Cc. Ādi 17.31]. Kīrtaniya sadā hariḥ: twenty-four hours we have to chant this holy names of Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare. The idea is, as I've already told you, the one chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is sufficient to dismantle the structure of your sinful life immediately. If it is purely chanted, one is sufficient.\nBut as we know, that we are not so powerful that after dismantling the structure of our sinful life we are not prone to fall down again. We are prone to fall down again. Therefore, kīrtaniya sadā hariḥ. We should chant always; always chant. Deliberately we should not commit any sinful activities. That is our business. But unconsciously, due to our past habits, if we do something, that may be excused. But not deliberately.\nNāmno balād yasya hi pāpa-buddhiḥ [Padma Purāṇa, Brahma-kaṇḍha 25.16]. That is the greatest offense, if anyone commits sinful activity on the strength of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. Because he knows—it is a fact also; it is not only knowing, it is a fact—by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra you become free from the effective result of sinful life. But if you commit again, and again chant, this is not very good business. Just like in the Christian church they go, confess, and again commit. This is not good business. You confess your sinful life, excuse, but don't commit it again. That should be the principle.\nSo if we follow, if we stay strictly on this principle, then, as it is recommended here that,\nna yat punaḥ karmasu sajjate mano\nrajas-tamobhyāṁ kalilaṁ tato 'nyathā\n[SB 6.2.46]\nSo if you keep yourself always antiseptic by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, then the mind will not be attracted to the qualities of ignorance and passion and you will safely make progress in your spiritual life, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nya etaṁ paramaṁ guhyam\nitihāsam aghāpaham\nśṛṇuyāc chraddhayā yukto\nyaś ca bhaktyānukīrtayet\n[SB 6.2.47]\nNow the speaker of this Ajāmila, history of Ajāmila, it is stated here clearly that guhyam itihāsam. Itihāsa. It is not story; it is historical fact. The…, some so-called gentlemen, they say these are all mythological.\n[aside:] What exactly means mythological? It is imagination, or what? What does it mean, mythological?",
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"content": "\n But here it is not stated anything as mythological, because they cannot adjust things. So suppose sometimes it is said, \"The snake began to talk.\" Yes, a snake talks. It is not a story or mythological. The tree also talks—every living entity. If you have got symptoms of living being, other symptoms, why should you deny others? Simply you have to understand.\nKṛṣṇa is known as, therefore, out of His sixty-four qualities, His one quality is bahudak. That is explained in our Nectar of Devotion, you will see. That means He could talk with any living entity. Why not? If He is the father of every living entity, why He is not able to understand the language of every living entity? That is natural. Is it not a fact that a father understands the language of his son? Naturally, if Kṛṣṇa is the father of all living entities, it is natural for Him to understand all the languages of birds, bees, trees, man—everyone. Therefore Kṛṣṇa's another quality is bahudak.\nThis was proved when Kṛṣṇa was present. One day Kṛṣṇa was answering to the speaking of a bird, and one old lady, she came to take water from the Yamuna, and when she saw that Kṛṣṇa was talking with a bird, she became amazed: \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa is so nice.\"\nSo that is possible. It is not that the snake has no language. So it is not allegory; it is a fact. But one has to understand that language. That's all. Everyone can speak. Every living entity can speak. They have got their own language. Even in human society, just like you do not understand Hindi language—does it mean that Indians have no language? [laughs] This conclusion is a most foolish conclusion. Everyone can speak; simply one has to know the art how to understand other's language. That's all.\nya etaṁ paramaṁ guhyam\nitihāsam aghāpaham\nśṛṇuyāc chraddhayā yukto\nyaś ca bhaktyānukīrtayet\n[SB 6.2.47]\nNow, these stories or itihāsa—is not story—the history of Ajāmila... Sukadeva Gosvāmī recommends that anyone who discusses these incident of historical fact, which is not only very nice to hear, but aghāpaham... Agha means sin. Apaham. Apaham means counteractive or dismissive, vanquished. If you hear these stories, or the itihāsa, the history of Ajāmila's activities, if you hear it with a…, simply by hearing Ajāmila's incident you become free from the contamination of sinful life. Simply by hearing. It is so nice. Unless there is some spiritual effect, no historical fact is inserted within Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nSo here it is said, ya etaṁ paramaṁ guhyam. Paramaṁ guhyam: it is very confidential. Just like Kṛṣṇa also declared, when He wanted to impress upon Arjuna the most confidential fact of His teaching:\nya imaṁ paramaṁ guhyaṁ\nmad-bhakteṣv abhidhāsyati\n[Bg. 18.68]\nA similar thing. Paramaṁ guhyaṁ is most confidential, that this teaching of Lord Kṛṣṇa, that \"You give up all religion, all occupation,\" sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg. 18.66]. \"Simply surrender unto Me.\" It is possible… It is not possible to take this advantage by everyone. It is practical. If I would have said that \"You give up Christian religion and you take to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness\" in the first, you would have immediately left the meeting. So it is very confidential; it is not to be opened immediately. When gradually one comes to confidence, then it will be clear. Therefore it is called.\nSo those who are not devotees, those who have no taste for Kṛṣṇa consciousness or any attachment for chanting the holy name of Kṛṣṇa and be convinced, for them the Ajāmila sto…, the Ajāmila incident will appear as mythology or something like that. But it is most confidential. It is to be understood by a devotee who knows the value of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. Therefore it is guarded. It is called paramaṁ guhyam.\nya etaṁ paramaṁ guhyam\nitihāsam aghāpaham\nśṛṇuyāc chraddhayā\n[SB 6.2.47]\nChraddhayā means one who hears with śraddhā, with faith. Chraddhayā yuktoyaś ca bhaktyānukīrtayet. There are two [indistinct] required to discuss anything: one is hearing, and one is speaking. Kirtaye, kīrtanam. Speaking also kīrtana. Don't think that kīrtana means simply with mṛdaṅga and karatālas when you chant, that is kīrtana. No.\nWhen I speak, when you speak about Kṛṣṇa, kīrtana must be with reference to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is kīrtana. Either you speak or chant. When you lecture on the Supreme Personality of Godhead, that is also kīrtana. And when you chant and dance with reference to the activities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, that is also kīrtana. Don't mistake that this is not kīrtana and that is also kīrtana. No.\nWhen you go, preach, talk, put your arguments, logic, to the opposing elements, and you are sometimes forced backward, sometimes you are defeated. Sometimes in arguments it happens. So this is… Viśvanāth Cakravārtī Ṭhākura has commented that a devotee, when he goes to preach and he is attacked by the opposing elements, that is also culture of bhakti, devotional service. Not that when you go to preach, don't think that \"I am wasting my time. Better to sit down in a place and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa.\" These are all nonsense. You have to preach, face the opposing elements. That is better than chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nThat is my Guru Mahārāja's policy.\nmana! tumi kisera vaiṣṇava?\npratiṣṭhāra tarenirjanera ghare,\ntava hari-nāma kevala kaitava\n[Duṣṭa-Mana 1]\nIt is simply cheating the public, \"Why I am engaged in chanting?\" If you have got some important business, you have to do first. Your only business is how to satisfy Kṛṣṇa through His representative. That is your only.\nSo kīrtanam, anything speaking about Kṛṣṇa:\nsa vai manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor\nvacāṁsi vaikuṇṭha-guṇānuvarṇane\n[SB 9.4.18]\nYour speaking, vibration of the tongue, should always be engaged in the service of the Lord. That is kīrtana. Either you preach, either you talk with opposing elements, or you chant—everything is kīrtana. Anu kīrtana. Anu means following the spiritual master. Or anu means \"always.\" Here it is said anu kīrtana. Bhakta..., and with bhakti… This is also another. Bhakti, not that \"I have become a very nice speaker. I can speak; I can defeat.\" Don't become proud like that. Whatever I am doing, it is in the service of the Lord, for the service of the Lord.\nJust like Arjuna. Arjuna was fighting. That fighting was not his pride, that he thought himself that \"I am a great fighter.\" He was simply executing the order of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa wanted to fight, so he was fighting. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa wants you to preach, so you preach and meet all opposing elements. But don't think that you have become a very good preacher or speaker. No. You have to do all this businesses anu, by following the footsteps of your spiritual master or predecessor. Like that. Anu kīrtana.\nSimilarly, śṛṇuyāc. Bhāgavata should be heard from the recognized bhāgavata. Grantha-bhāgavata means this book Bhāgavata, it is to be heard from the person bhāgavata, realized soul. Not from a professional man. Just like it has become a custom, a professional man comes in a village and he finishes Bhāgavata in seven days. Now we are speaking Bhāgavata for seven generation, and still it is not understood. And Bhāgavata will be finished in seven days? It is a karma-kāṇḍa-vicāra. Of course, by such function one gets some result of piety. That is fact. But that is not understanding Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nAnd especially one should not hear Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam from a professional man whose business is to recite Bhāgavata and take some money for his family expenses. No.\navaiṣṇava-mukhodgīrṇaṁ\npūtaṁ hari-kathāmṛtam\nśravaṇaṁ naiva kartavyaṁ\nsarpocchiṣṭaṁ payaḥ yathā\n[Padma Purāṇa]\nThat is the injunction given by Sanātana Gosvāmī, that one who is not a pure devotee, Vaiṣṇava, you should not hear his kīrtana. Avaiṣṇava-mukhodgīrṇaṁ pūtaṁ hari-kathāmṛtam. Hari-kathāmṛtam. Hari means this Absolute Supreme Personality of Godhead. His katha, His description, it is amṛta, it is nectarean. And still, it should not be heard from a professional or unscrupulous man who is not a Vaiṣṇava. Why? It is amṛta; it may be brought by anyone. The example is sarpocchiṣṭaṁ payaḥ yathā. Milk is amṛta, known to everyone. But when it is touched by the lips of a serpent, it is spoiled. That principle you should follow.\nna vai sa narakaṁ yāti\nnekṣito yama-kiṅkaraiḥ\nyady apy amaṅgalo martyo\nviṣṇu-loke mahīyate\n[SB 6.2.48]\nSo by hearing this history of Ajāmila incident, sa vai sa…, na vai sa narakaṁ yāti nekṣito yama-kiṅkaraiḥ. He never goes to hell, neither he's seen by the servants of Yama. Yama kiṅkara. Means… Means, just like you can understand very easily, if you are not acting criminally, against the laws of the law, no policeman will watch over you. Policeman may be there, but policeman watches there as soon as you are criminal.\nSimilarly, yama kinkara: the policemen, the constables engaged by Yamarāja, they are meant for the sinful men, not for the devotees. That is explained further. They do not come to the devotee. So if you remain factually a devotee of Kṛṣṇa throughout your whole life, there is no chance of your seeing the Yamadūtas. They will not come. Neither you are meant for going to the hellish condition of life.\nKṛṣṇa also says that even if you have fallen down, you will be given chance to take birth in a good family of a brāhmaṇa or in a rich family of vaiśyas. Śrīla Bhaktivinode Ṭhākura has explained these two words…, what is that? That a person, yoga-bhraṣṭaḥ. Śucīnāṁśrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭaḥ sañjāyate [Bg. 6.41].\nŚucīnām. Śuci means brāhmaṇa. Brāhmaṇa means he is always clean, internally and externally. Bahyābhyantaraṁśuciḥ. You know this mantra—it is enunciated during initiation—bahyābhyantaraḥśuciḥśrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu [Garuḍa Purāṇa]. Anyone who is always thinking of Kṛṣṇa, chanting of Viṣṇu's name, Hari's name, or anyone who is particularly Vaiṣṇava, he is śuciḥ.\nBrāhmaṇa is supposed to be engaged always in the service of Viṣṇu. Still in old families a brāhmaṇa, there is śālagrāma-śilā; the whole family is engaged. Those who have continued that process and keeping themselves always clean, they are really brāhmaṇa, śucīnāṁ.\nAnd a sannyāsī is recommended to beg from the house of a brāhmaṇa. Caitanya Mahāprabhu used to do that, because a brāhmaṇa is always śuci; they are not unclean. But they… Provided… Otherwise it is not that one is born of a brāhmaṇa father but does not follow the rules and regulations—he is not a brāhmaṇa. He is called brahma-bandhu. He is called brahma-bandhu.\nSo here it is said, na vai sa narakaṁ yāti. So a devotee is never sinful, even if he has fallen down. Somehow or other, because māyā is very strong, he is not very mature and maybe attract… Just like Ajāmila did. He was the son of a brāhmaṇa; he become attracted with a prostitute and fell down.\nBut again, he rose up simply by chanting. So simply if you keep yourself always chanting, there is no fear of falling down, neither you are eligible to go to the hellish condition of life, neither these constables of Yamarāja will come and see you. This is a part of the conclusion; we shall discuss it.\nThank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [end]",
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"content": "\n\nkecit kevalayā bhaktyā\nvāsudeva-parāyaṇaḥ\naghaṁ dhunvanti kārtsnyena\nnīhāram iva bhāskarā\n[SB 6.1.15]\nThis is a discussion between Śukadeva Gosvāmī and Mahārāja Parīkṣit. The question was that \"Why people are suffering in different types of hellish condition of life, and how they can be delivered?\"\nParīkṣit Mahārāja heard from Śukadeva Gosvāmī that there [are] different kinds of hellish condition of life according to different types of sinful activities. So in this material world everyone is implicated, or involved, in some sort of sinful life. Just like in the prison house. One may be a first-class prisoner, just like sometimes big politicians, they are put into first-class prison arrangement.\nA second-class prisoner, a third-class prisoner there are. But as soon as we understand this man is in the prison, or prisoner, it should be understood that he's criminal. He has committed some criminal activity; therefore he is in prison. Now, you can compare between the first-class prisoner or third-class prisoner, that is another thing. But they're all prisoners. They're undergoing the duration of prison life.\n[break] Anyone who is in this material world—he may be Brahmā or a small, insignificant ant—it is to be understood that he's sinful. It doesn't matter whether he is Brahmā or an insignificant ant. Everyone has got a different type of body according to the desires of sinful activities.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā also it is stated, yaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran loke tyajaty ante kalevaram [Bg. 8.6]. At the time of death the situation of mental situation, according to that mental situation he gets the next body. How? The example is: just like air passing over a nice rose garden. The air is carrying the flavor of the rose garden. And if the air is passing through some filthy place, stool, urine, then it carries the smell of stool and urine. The air is pure, but according to the blowing of the air under certain situation, it is carrying the flavor, or smell, a bad smell or good smell.\nSimilarly, we spirit souls, we are all parts and parcel of the Supreme Lord. Therefore, qualitatively we are one. If God is gold, then I am also gold. How can I be otherwise? Because I am part and parcel. If God is iron, then I am also iron. That is my position. But as I am carrying different airs by my association with this material nature, I am getting a different body. It is very simple to understand.\nWe are getting different bodies, that's a fact. Even in our present life we have passed through so many different bodies: a baby's body, a child's body, a boy's body, young man's body. All those bodies are gone. Now I am undergoing in an old man's body. Similarly, when this body will be useless for any purpose, then I accept another body. This is called transmigration of the soul. So for another body, that will be created according to the mental situation we made here at the present body—just like the same air passing through rose garden and air passing through a toilet room.\nTherefore, this human form of body is specially meant for creating a favorable situation so that when we pass through this body, or we leave this body, and we accept another body, we'll get exact a body like Kṛṣṇa. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. We are trying to change the consciousness of the people so that this preparation will help him to get exactly a body like Kṛṣṇa in next life, and he may dance with Kṛṣṇa in rāsa dance. That is our propaganda.\nBody you'll get. That's a fact. Just as you are getting one body after another in this life, similarly, tathā dehāntara-prāptir [Bg. 2.13], similarly another change of body. Dhīras tatra na muhyati. Those who are in the knowledge, they're not surprised. They know what kind of body. \"My father left this body; now he has accepted another body.\" He can understand what kind of body he has.\nHow? Just like when you see a friend going away to other place by plane, you know, \"This plane is meant for...\" Just like I came from New York yesterday to London. So everyone knows that I have gone to London. How? They are not seeing me, but from the evidences of the ticket, of the aeroplane and everything, they know certainly, \"Swāmīji has gone to London.\" Similarly, if you know the things right, you can know also \"Where this man is going after death.\"\nHow you can know? That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthā [Bg. 14.18]: \"Those who are situated in the modes of goodness...\" There are three qualities in the material world: the quality of goodness, the quality of passion and the quality of ignorance. So if you know somebody that he is in the quality of goodness, then you can understand, ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthā. Those who are in the quality of goodness, they are being promoted to the higher planetary system.\nŪrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthā madhye tiṣṭhanti rājasāḥ: and those who are in the modes of passion, they remain in the middle planetary system. And jaghanya-guṇa-vṛtti-sthā adho gacchanti tāmasāḥ: and those who are associating very much abominable condition of life, they go adhaḥ, downward. So we can understand from the śāstras. Therefore people has to be taught to be situated in the modes of goodness. At least, he will be guaranteed to get a life in the higher planetary system, if not liberated. That is Vedic civilization.\nThe whole Vedic civilization is to elevate people. There are two kinds of system in the Vedas: pravṛtti-mārga, nivṛtti-mārga. Because we are all here criminals... Criminal means we have come here within this material world with a purpose to enjoy to the fullest extent. Don't you see? Anywhere you go, people are struggling so hard because the idea is that \"I shall be greater than him\" or \"I shall be very great.\" \"I shall be minister,\" \"I shall be president,\" \"I shall be big merchant,\" \"I shall be very big leader.\" \"How I can be bigger?\" When he fails everything, then he thinks, \"Now I shall become God.\" This is going on.\nSo up to the understanding to become God is materialism. All endeavors up to the point of becoming God is materialism. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says that \"You cannot be happy by all these religious systems.\" Religious system... There are two kinds of religious systems. Some of them are pravṛtti-mārga, increasing the path of enjoyment, sense enjoyment. That dictates that \"You come to the heavenly planet. You'll have ten thousands of years' duration of life and very beautiful women to enjoy. Very nice garden, and drinking soma-rasa.\" So this is called pravṛtti-mārga.\nAnd nivṛtti-mārga means a little more advanced, when one understands that there is no actual happiness in this way, then he says, \"This is all false.\" Brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā: \"The world is false. Now let me search out Brahman.\" Athāto brahma jijñāsā. But... That path of brahma-jijñāsa is called nivṛtti-mārga, negativating this path of enjoyment. But śāstra says that simply by understanding that \"This is false, and I'll have to become away from these false engagement,\" so without knowledge of Kṛṣṇa, such elevators, they become impersonalist and voidist, to make negative this material enjoyment.\nSo we are manufacturing so many religious system on these two platforms. One platform is how to enjoy to the fullest extent, and another platform is how to become zero, voidism. But actually, neither you are enjoyer, nor you are zero. Both of them are false. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says that any religious system on the basis of this renunciation or enjoyment... When we take this material world as fact, that means we want to enjoy it. And when are frustrated, then we want to make zero. So actually, it is neither zero, nor there is any cause of frustration. You have to simply to take to the right knowledge.\nThe right knowledge is given in the Bhagavad-gītā. Kṛṣṇa says,\nbhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ\nsarva-loka-maheśvaram\nsuhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ\njñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchati\n[Bg. 5.29]\nIf you simply understand that Kṛṣṇa is the only enjoyer, then your propensity to become false enjoyer will be vanquished, that \"I am not enjoyer. Kṛṣṇa is the enjoyer.\" Then there is no question of renunciation also. Bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram. And He says that \"I am the proprietor of all planetary systems,\" loka. Loka means universe. Then what you have got to renounce?\nIf Kṛṣṇa or somebody is proprietor of something, what is the meaning of your renouncement? And if He is the only enjoyer, then what is the meaning of you are enjoyer? So if you enjoy, then you become a thief. And if you renounce, you become a pretender—because we have nothing to renounce, and you cannot enjoy others' property. This is your position. So one who knows this perfectly well, he's in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is sum and substance of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo when we engage ourself in enjoying others' property... Because Kṛṣṇa's property, how you can enjoy? That means you become criminal. Just like in the modern state, or any state, if you want to enjoy others' property, then you are a thief. That is the statement given in the Īśopaniṣad, īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1]: everything belongs to God. Yat kiñcid jagatyāṁ jagat. Anything, anywhere in this universe, it belongs to God. \"Then? How I can enjoy? I have to live. If everything belongs to God...\" Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā. \"Yes, you can enjoy.\"\nJust like the father in a family. Father is very rich. Actually, the proprietor is the father, but the enjoyers are the sons. Similarly, whatever there is, it is the property of God. But because you are all sons of God, you have got the right to enjoy the property of the father. There is no denying. But you cannot enjoy the property of your other brother. Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā. Whatever the father says, \"My dear boy, you enjoy this,\" you be satisfied with that. Don't try to encroach upon others', other brothers' property. Then you'll be criminal. You enjoy. Kṛṣṇa has give you sufficient. Kṛṣṇa is not poor. Sarvaiśvarya... Ṣaḍ-aiśvarya-pūrṇa.\nSo if you remain satisfied what is given to you by Kṛṣṇa and remain in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that \"My father is so kind, my father is so rich, so let me abide by the orders of my father and live peacefully,\" then the world becomes peaceful. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is very scientific and authorized. But as soon as we want to encroach upon others' property, to enjoy more than it is allocated to me, that is criminal.\nSo in order to become free from this criminality, there are so many prescription in the śāstras. They're called tapasya. The beginning is the tapasya. Tapasya means just like a thief wants to steal others' property, but if he thinks at the same time, \"No, no, it will be criminal. Father has said it is criminal. I shall not steal others' property,\" this is tapasya. Because I have got the inclination to steal, to usurp other things, but if I restrain myself by the order of father or the śāstras, the laws... Just like a thief. He knows that if he steals, if he takes others' property, he'll be arrested and he will be punished. But he has got that bad inclination. That is called pāpa-bīja.\nThe śāstras, they prescribe different types of atonement for person who has committed criminal activities. The criminal activities is that if you encroach upon others' property, others' right, that is criminal. Tena tyaktena... You should be satisfied whatever Kṛṣṇa has allotted to you. Therefore we are training our devotees to take kṛṣṇa-prasādam. Whatever Kṛṣṇa has willfully left after His eating, we take it.\nBut Kṛṣṇa is so kind that He keeps the prasādam as it is. Because He's pūrṇa. He's not hungry. He's feeding millions of living entities. Eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]. So He's not hungry. Neither whatever you are offering to Kṛṣṇa, it is your property. It is Kṛṣṇa's property. You cannot manufacture fruits, flowers, grains or milk, or anything else. Anything eatable you cannot manufacture in your factory. That is Kṛṣṇa's manufacture. Therefore, actually it is Kṛṣṇa's property. Simply you have to acknowledge: \"Kṛṣṇa, You are so kind. You have given so many things for our eating. First of all, You taste. Then we shall take it.\" What is the difficulty? This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo each and every item, if you study what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then your life will be happy—if you take to it. Simply understanding Kṛṣṇa, you'll be liberated. Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā,\njanma karma me divyaṁ\nyo jānāti tattvataḥ\ntyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma\nnaiti mām eti...\n[Bg. 4.9]\nKṛṣṇa says that \"If somebody simply understands Me, Kṛṣṇa, in fact...\" To understand Kṛṣṇa superficially is no knowledge of Kṛṣṇa. Tattvataḥ. That tattvic knowledge is also very difficult. Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā,\nmanuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu\nkaścid yatati siddhaye\nyatatām api siddhānāṁ\nkaścid vetti māṁ tattvataḥ\n[Bg. 7.3]\nIt is very difficult to understand. Because Kṛṣṇa says out of many millions of people, one is perfect, and out of many millions of perfect men, one can hardly understand Kṛṣṇa.\nSo it is very difficult to understand Kṛṣṇa. But if one is fortunate, he can understand. How? Now, Kṛṣṇa says, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7]. Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate [Bg. 10.8]: \"There is no more higher truth than Me.\" So if one is fortunate to understand Kṛṣṇa, that there is no more higher truth than Kṛṣṇa, and if he follows the advice of Kṛṣṇa, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66], then he's fortunate. Fortunate means everyone has got his discretion. So one who has the fortune to discriminate, then he can understand Kṛṣṇa very easily.\nTherefore this association is required, how to understand Kṛṣṇa, although it is very difficult. But the difficulty is removed by the association of devotees, by the association of Kṛṣṇa. So this opening of different centers in different parts of the world means we are trying to give association of Kṛṣṇa to everyone. There is no discrimination. Just like in the Western countries we are trying to give Kṛṣṇa consciousness for the last four or five years, and people are taking it. We have got now sixty centers, and they're accepting the principles; they're becoming devotees of Kṛṣṇa sincerely.\nSo it is not very difficult task, provided one is sincere and serious. Then as soon as you understand Kṛṣṇa, then what happens to you? Kṛṣṇa says, tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya [Bg. 4.9]. Anyone who simply understands Kṛṣṇa, then the result will be that after quitting this body you won't have to come back again in this material world and accept a body for different kinds of miserable condition. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]: \"He doesn't take birth again here.\" Then where does he go? Mām eti, \"He comes to Me.\"\nSo these are simple truths, all explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. It is open to everyone. Kṛṣṇa is everyone's father. You may take Kṛṣṇa Indian God, or Kṛṣṇa Indian or Hindu, but Kṛṣṇa says that sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya [Bg. 14.4]: \"In all forms of life, in all species of life, whoever he may be, I am the seed-giving father.\" So don't think that Kṛṣṇa is for the Hindus, for the Indians or for the human being. No. Kṛṣṇa is for everyone. Otherwise, how He is God?\nIf He is for a particular section, then how He can be God? God cannot be for a particular type of man or particular section, particular society. God is for human being or the birds, beasts, aquatics, insect, trees, plants—everyone. That is God. He says, sarva-yoniṣu: \"In every species of life, whatever form may be, that doesn't matter,\" ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā [Bg. 14.4], He says, \"I am the seed-giving father.\" This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo our proposition is that we are somehow or other in an envelopment of so many mistakes. And therefore we are suffering. Suffering means due to ignorance. Just like a man does not know the law of the country... A similar instance: just like here in London the car is driven from the left side; in America the car is driven by the right side. So suppose one comes from America, he's driving the car from the right side, the police arrest. \"Why you arrest me, sir?\" \"Because you are driving on the right side.\" \"That I know. I do not know that you have to drive left side.\" \"That does not mean you are freed from criminal charges. Come to the court.\"\nSo this criminality is happened on account of ignorance. So any criminal person wrongly-guided means ignorance. Therefore we have to develop real knowledge. The real knowledge is that God is one, God is great, we are part and parcel of God, and therefore we have to serve God. This is knowledge.\nThank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [break]",
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"content": "\n Does anyone have any questions that you would like to ask Śrīla Prabhupāda?\n Your Divine Grace, you talked about when one was dead, if he's complete in Kṛṣṇa consciousness or is ready to take death and is in exact mindfulness of this state. How..., how do you process to a right moment unless one is helped at the last minute of death?[?]",
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"content": "\n Yes, somehow or other, at the time of your death if you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then your life is successful. Ante nārāyaṇa smṛtiḥ [SB 2.1.6]. But if you do not practice while you're conscious, then it is very difficult to remember Kṛṣṇa at the time of death.",
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"content": "\n Would you possibly say that the moment of death, the last thought which is...",
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"content": "\n At the time of death, somehow or other, if you are fortunate enough to remember Kṛṣṇa, then your life is successful. I shall describe this instance in these discourses, Ajāmila, how he became delivered. So the real purpose is ante nārāyaṇa-smṛtiḥ: at the time of death we may be able to think of Kṛṣṇa. Then life is successful.",
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"content": "\n Much has been said about yoga and...",
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"content": "\n That yoga is also the same thing. Yoga practice means to concentrate one's mind, to practice, to Viṣṇu form within the heart. Viṣṇu is another form of Kṛṣṇa. So not this modern yoga system, thinking something void. This is not prescribed in the authoritative scriptures. That is simply taking trouble. Kleśaḥ adhikataras teṣām avyaktāsakta-cetasām [Bg. 12.5]. Those who are attached to void, voidness, they simply take more trouble to realize God.",
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"content": "\n Many books from the East advocate the..., without any success in yoga, before one has success, the kuṇḍalinī must be opened. What do you think about this?",
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"content": "\n Well, we think of Bhagavad-gītā first, then others. Bhagavad-gītā says that yoga should be practiced concentrating one's mind on Kṛṣṇa. Mat-parāyaṇaḥ. Vāsudeva-parāyaṇaḥ. Nārāyaṇa parāyaṇaḥ. These words are there. So if yoga practice is performed by concentrating one's mind on Kṛṣṇa or Viṣṇu, that is first-class yoga, and that is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, yoginām api sarveṣāṁ mad-gatenāntarātmanā [Bg. 6.47]: \"Of all yogīs, one who is always thinking of Me within the heart, he is first-class yogī.\"\nSo if you are practicing yoga, we should recommend that you think of Kṛṣṇa within your heart. That will help you. That is our advice. But if you think something else, that is your business. [laughter] We cannot advise anything. But we would advise you, if you are fond of practicing yoga... This is also yoga. This is called bhakti-yoga. Everything yoga—jñāna-yoga, karma-yoga, dhyāna-yoga, haṭha-yoga. Generally, they practice haṭha-yoga, and they're satisfied only by getting into practice the system of āsana. That's all.\nBut there are many other steps: yama, niyama, āsana, praṇāyāma, dhyāna, dhāraṇā, pratyāhāra, samādhi. Say, generally, the so-called yogī class, they simply practice some āsana. And no yama, niyama, dhyāna, dhāraṇā, pratyāhāra. So to practice yoga, it is recommended in the Bhagavad-gītā, first of all you have to select a secluded place. And that must be very sacred. And you have to sit there alone.\nWho is going to do that? It is not possible to practice yoga in a fashionable city. It is not possible. Therefore India, those who are actually yogīs, they go to the Himalaya, Haridwar, in a secluded place, in a sacred place they sit down tight and practice yoga. That is yoga. Not that in a yoga class you practice some gymnastic and you become a yogī.\nYoga system is very difficult this time, haṭha-yoga system. But we do not know that. We want everything very cheap. Oh, that is not possible. Because it is not possible, therefore in this age the śāstra recommends, harer nāma harer nāma harer nāmaiva kevalam [Cc. Ādi 17.21]. Simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and you will achieve... And see the result. We have got thousands of students. They have been called by the newspaper reporter \"bright-faced.\" Compare with these students and any yoga class student: how much they know, how do they know?\nSo this haṭha-yoga system is a recommended system. That's all right. But it is not possible in this age. It is very difficult. This practice is very easy. Even a child can chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, and he becomes purified. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. So if your business is how to become purified and realize yourself or realize God, then this is the system in this age. You have to take to it, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If you take to other system, you are at liberty. But so far śāstra is concerned, that will not be successful.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n When the living entity comes to the material world, what is the state of the spiritual body? And how does this spiritual body begin to develop?",
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"content": "\n Spiritual body is there already. You simply cover yourself with another material coating. Just like you are trying to go to the moon planet. Your body's there, but you coat your body just suitable to the moon planet. And that dress costs $40,000, or something like that. [laughter] So after spending $40,000 for each man and going for so many years, they have collected little dust. That is their success. So if you want to waste your money in that way, do that. [laughter]\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Is it better to chant the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra loud or is it better to hide the mantra?[?]",
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"content": "\n As loud as possible.",
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"content": "\n Jaya! Haribol!",
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"content": "\n So that others can hear and take benefit of it. There is no secret. It is not that secret mantra, that \"I'll give you a special mantra, and you give me $35.\" [laughter] It is open to everyone. Chant loud, as loudly as possible. No question of payment.",
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"content": "\n Your Divine Grace, have you seen Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n Yes. You are not seeing? Why you are so blind? Everyone sees Kṛṣṇa is here.",
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"content": "\n Is it a very good omen to see in your sleep state a person showing to do the Hare Kṛṣṇa chant?",
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"content": "\n Well, sleep, when you sleep and dream, you take it all false. It is not very good omen.",
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"content": "\n She said...\n Like you do anything about the movement in sleep, and I was [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Sleep... Sleep is sleep. But in advanced stages in sleep also... Dream means whatever you act in awakened state, that comes as something, phantasmagoria. But actually, you have to do according to the rules and regulation, not under some dream or phantasmagoria. So Kṛṣṇa consciousness has to be executed according to the rules and regulations. Then it will be successful.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n What does the peacock feather mean to Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\nHmm?",
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"content": "\n What does a peacock feather mean to Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa likes it. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Is it a symbol of love or [indistinct], or what it is?",
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"content": "\n No. Kṛṣṇa likes peacock feather. Barhāvataṁsam asitāmbuda-sundarāṅgam [Bs. 5.30]. We cannot check Kṛṣṇa's liking. [laughter] Yes.\nFirst of all, yes...",
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"content": "\n I am very much thankful to you for giving this divine knowledge to our crippled people, who are suffering in this material world. But... And I'm also convinced by this of [indistinct] of Kṛṣṇa. I am somewhat surprised, and I feel very much grateful about... Or the world, it is not grateful for Kṛṣṇa consciousness[?]. And there were many Kṛṣṇa devotees in that part of the world which is now called Bangladesh. And millions of Kṛṣṇa devotees, all sons of Kṛṣṇa, are being butchered by the [indistinct] of their family or... I'm talking about West Pakistan. What is your answer to this sort of the genocide, or greatest man-made disaster?",
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"content": "\n That is going on since the creation. How can you stop it? The history repeats itself. This butchering, this attack by one country by another or by one king to another, that is going on. This is the nature; therefore it is called duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam [Bg. 8.15]. This is a place simply for suffering. Therefore everyone's business is how to get out of it. You cannot stop what is going on in Bangladesh. It may be in Bangladesh or it may be in Vietnam or it may be in some other places—this is nature's law; it will go on. You cannot stop it.\nThe best thing is to get out of the scene. That is your business. You cannot stop it. Even if you show sympathy, that is useless. Because this is the way of nature. Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati...[Bg. 4.7]. Paritrāṇāya sa..., vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām [Bg. 4.8]. The vināśa is there. The two things are going on: maintenance and dissolution, and creation.\nSo you cannot stop the process. And in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, yaṁ hi na vyathayanty ete puruṣaṁ puruṣarṣabha [Bg. 2.15]: all these ephemeral things which come and go, if one is not disturbed by all these things, then he is the right candidate for liberation.",
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"content": "\n They seem the greater criminal who is now telling these people there...",
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"content": "\n Well, criminal is criminal, greater or smaller. Just like in India it is said that if you have stolen a khira, a cucumber, or you have stolen a hīrā, a diamond, you are equally punishable.",
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"content": "\n Do you think those who are butcher are all criminals?",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n Those who are butcher, they are all criminals?",
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"content": "\n They may not be criminals, but what is your idea?",
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"content": "\n I want to hear the solution from you to this disastrous situation in the present material world.",
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"content": "\n So what way you want?",
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"content": "\n No, I don't know. I want from you.",
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"content": "\n So our solution is that chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Haribol! Jaya!\n What is the best method of making your children Kṛṣṇa conscious? Teaching the śāstra or...?",
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"content": "\n What is that?",
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"content": "\n What is the best method of making children Kṛṣṇa conscious?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Dharmāviruddho kāmo 'smi [Bg. 7.11]. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that \"Sexual intercourse which is not against religious principle, that is I am.\" Kṛṣṇa says. So sex intercourse should be not against the religious principle. Therefore illicit sex life is forbidden in our Society. Sex should be utilized only for begetting nice children, not for any other purpose.",
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"content": "\n How do you make the children [indistinct]? But how do you make them Kṛṣṇa conscious?",
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"content": "\n Yes. We are propagating this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement just to make everyone Kṛṣṇa conscious, never mind what is his past background. If one takes to this process, he becomes purified. That is our propaganda. We are not taking account of his past deeds. In the Kali-yuga everyone's past deeds is not very happy. Therefore we don't consider about the past deeds. We simply request that you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And Kṛṣṇa also says that,\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja\nahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo...\n[Bg. 18.66]\nIt might be I was very sinful in my past life, but when I surrender to Kṛṣṇa, He gives me shelter and I am free. That is our proposal. We don't consider about the past deeds. Everyone may be sinful in his past deeds. That doesn't matter. But if he takes to Kṛṣṇa's shelter as Kṛṣṇa says, then Kṛṣṇa will give us protection. That is our propaganda.",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, can you tell us why we're in material contamination? Why is it that the spirit soul has material contamination?",
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"content": "\n That is the slight independence of the spirit soul. As soon as the spirit soul wants to enjoy for himself... Just like many boy gives up the association of the parents and he wants to enjoy this material world in his own way, without the sanction of the father and mother. He has got the right. Similarly, although we are all sons of God, or Kṛṣṇa, we have got the independence to give up His company and enjoy this material world. That is contamination.",
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"content": "\n And do we all originate from Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n What is one's prescribed duty?\nWhat is one's prescribed duty?",
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"content": "\n To surrender to Kṛṣṇa. Very simple thing. \"Kṛṣṇa, I forgot You for so many lives. Now I surrender unto You. Give me protection.\" That's all. Very simple thing. Yes?",
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"content": "\n Your Divine Grace, will you kindly explain the significance of Ratha-yātrā festival?",
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"content": "\n Ratha-yātrā is Kṛṣṇa's festival.",
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"content": "\n And purpose of it?",
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"content": "\n Purpose to see how Kṛṣṇa is enjoying.",
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"content": "\n Is it a victory procession? I'm not quite sure. I'm not quite sure whether it is a victory procession. And...",
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"content": "\n Yes, you'll be sure when you come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. At this present..., at the present moment, you cannot be sure. But when you come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness you'll be sure.",
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"content": "\n No, I mean, when Kṛṣṇa was returning from the Battlefield of...",
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"content": "\n Yes, this is meant for the devotees of the Kṛṣṇa, or those who are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But with the Kṛṣṇa consciousness people, other also can take the advantage. But if anyone sincerely sees the Ratha-yātrā festival and understands how Kṛṣṇa visited Kurukṣetra along with His brother and sister, that is very nice. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n I cannot hear you.",
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"content": "\n Could you explain a little bit about the position in which we were situated in the spiritual sky before coming to the material world?\nWhat position did we occupy in the spiritual sky before we fell into the material world?",
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"content": "\n You are already in the spiritual sky, but you are simply covered. Just like the sun is already there. You are also already there, but there is a cloud which hinders your checking, your seeing of the sun. Similarly, the sky is one, when it is clouded or not clouded. So actually we are always in the spiritual world. But when you forget Kṛṣṇa by the cloud of illusion, that is material.\nTry to understand. There is logic[?]... When the sky is clouded, you cannot see the sun, it does not mean that you are in a different sky. You are in the same sky. When the cloud is clear, you are in the same sky. But the difference of position is due to the cloud. That is called māyā. When you forget Kṛṣṇa, that is material. And as soon as you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, that is spiritual. Just like here, this temple is not in London; it is Vaikuṇṭha.",
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"content": "\n Haribol!",
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"content": "\n Because here everyone is Kṛṣṇa conscious. They haven't forgotten Kṛṣṇa. Therefore they are in Vaikuṇṭha. Others may see that \"Oh, you are in London. How you are in Vaikuṇṭha?\" Just like Kṛṣṇa, in the Bhagavad-gītā it says, īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61]: God is situated in everyone's heart. So everyone's heart means He is in the heart of the hog also. But if the hog is within the stool, that does not mean Kṛṣṇa is also within the stool.\nSimilarly, the devotees, although they are in London or New York, they're in Vaikuṇṭha. That is to be realized when one is in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Yatra tiṣṭhanti mad-bhaktā tatra tiṣṭhāmi nārada [Padma Purāṇa]. Kṛṣṇa says, \"I live there where My devotees are there.\" So Kṛṣṇa can be everywhere where there is devotee.\nSo this \"material world,\" \"spiritual world\" means when you forget Kṛṣṇa, that is material. When you are Kṛṣṇa conscious, that is spiritual. That's all. You may remain in the same place. Because everything is Kṛṣṇa's—īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1]—so how you can distinguish what is material, what is spiritual?\nIf every, every part of the creation belongs to Kṛṣṇa, you cannot practically distinguish, \"This portion is spiritual, this portion is material.\" That distinction is due to our forgetfulness. So as soon as you come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness you will find everything spiritual.",
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"content": "\n If one realizes the impersonal Brahman, what progress can be made here from this?",
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"content": "\n So if you realize impersonal Brahman, there is chance of falling down again to the material conception. Because you are person, you cannot remain in impersonal stage. Therefore to elevate, to be elevated in the impersonal stage means there is chance of falling down again.\nBut if you elevate yourself to the personal conception of the Absolute Truth, there is no falldown. Of course, because we are marginal potency of Kṛṣṇa, there is possibility of falldown always. But those who are strong in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they do not fall.\nThat's all right. [end]",
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"content": "\n [leads kīrtana] [prema-dhvani]. All glories to the assembled devotees. All glories to the assembled devotees.\n[21:48]\nNow, spiritual consciousness, and to continue it. Simple theoretical knowledge that \"I am consciousness; I am not this body,\" anything simple theoretical knowledge cannot help us.\n[aside:] You can put on this light.\nUnless... Just like a person, he studied medical science or law, anything, any technical science; he gets all theoretical knowledge. But if he does not practice, then that knowledge will gradually subside. You see? Similarly, that \"I am not this body, but I am that pure consciousness,\" that is already analyzed in various ways.\nNow we are in practical life. Now, if we say that \"I am not this body,\" so what is the use of working for this body? The whole world is moving under the bodily conception of life. Because I am born in this land—my body is born out of this land, American land—therefore I am thinking \"American.\" Because I am born in India, therefore I am thinking \"Indian.\" Because I am born of a certain family, therefore I am identifying myself with that family. Because my father has given me some name, so I am identifying with that name. So my position is that I am all around surrounded by this bodily conception of life.\nNow, from studying Bhagavad-gītā or deeply thinking over the matter, I come to understand that I am not this body. That is settled. That's all right. But actually I am working on bodily plane. This adjustment is required, that yes, you, for the present moment, because you are entangled or enwrapped within this..., encaged within this body, so you cannot say that \"I will work without this body.\" But you can work in such a way that even without this body..., even with this body you can work in your spiritual platform. Although I am in this bodily conception of life, still, I can work from the spiritual platform.\nThat technical knowledge is instructed by Lord Kṛṣṇa to Arjuna, that \"You are not this body, but you have to work at the same time.\" Then how? Now, here is the formula: yoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi [Bg 2.48]. \n[Be steadfast in yoga, O Arjuna. Perform your duty and abandon all attachment to success or failure. Such evenness of mind is called yoga.]\nYoga-sthaḥ. Yoga-sthaḥ means that you remain in spiritual consciousness, but at the same time, you go on with your usual work. You remain in spiritual consciousness and go on with your work. It is very difficult? I am working with bodily conception of life. How I can be situated in spiritual conception of life? So, this techniques is saṅgaṁ tyaktvā dhanañjaya. Saṅgaṁ tyaktvā dhanañjaya: without being touched with bodily conception. And how it can be done? Siddhy-asiddhyoḥ samo bhūtvā samatvaṁ yoga ucyate. That neutrality will be that...\nIn the former verse it has been already explained that \"You have right to work, but not for the result. Don't be cause of the effect of your result. Then you will be bound up.\" We are being bound up by reaction of every work. It is just like this world is so situated... Just you know that a sound vibration... Practically, nowadays everyone knows it, that any sound vibrated, it, within a second, it takes round all over the world seven times. It is so... The arrangement is so. Just like in a pond if you drop a stone, the circle, the circle begins to enlarge, enlarge, enlarge, enlarge, enlarge, and so similarly, we catch the radio vibration. You know there is numbers. Under such-and-such vibration, you can catch the sound. So the whole arrangement is like that.\nNow, if we work even in that arrangement, yoga-sthaḥ, being situated in my spiritual plane, then that will reach to the spiritual sky by enlargement of the circle. Enlargement of the circle. I can do work here. You will find in the Bhagavad-gītā that the Lord says that patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati [Bg 9.26]:\n\"Anyone who offers in devotion patraṁ puṣpam, a little flower, a little...., a small leaf, a little water, I accept them. Because it is offered to Me in devotion, therefore I accept them. I take them in My hand.\"\nBut people may ask question that \"Where is the hand? Where is the hand of God?\" He says that \"I take.\" \"I take\" means \"I take it in my hand.\" Without hand there is no question of taking. Therefore Vedic hymn says that apāṇi-pādo javano grahītā [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 3.19]:\n[The Supreme Lord has no material hands and feet but accepts whatever is offered to Him and moves very quickly. The Supreme Person has no material ears and eyes but sees and hears everything. He is the knower of everything, and He is all that is to be known. It is said that He is the best and the greatest of all persons.]\n\"The Lord..., the Lord has no legs, no hands, but still, He can walk more than the speed of the air, more than the speed of the mind, and He can accept whatever we offer. But He has no hand; He has no leg.\" So this means that He has no hand, He has no leg like our limited measured hand or leg. He can stretch His hand anywhere. And similarly, He can stretch..., He can hear from anywhere. That is the prerogative of the Supreme Lord. I have given you several times the example that the sun is far, far away from us. Still, he can distribute his heat and light to us.\nSo if we work with God consciousness, although we are here in this platform, material platform, that work is admitted by the Supreme Lord. That is called yoga-sthaḥ. Yoga-sthaḥ... Yoga means keeping touch with the Supreme. That is called yoga. There are different kinds of yoga mentioned in the Bhagavad-gītā, especially jñāna-yoga, karma-yoga and bhakti-yoga. And within jñāna-yoga there are many other yogas—dhyāna-yoga, haṭha-yoga, so many things. Now, here it is said that yoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi: \"You be situated in your yoga, or a meditation.\" Generally yoga is understood as meditation, but yoga, real meaning of yoga—to keep in touch with the Supreme—that is called yoga: to keep in touch.\nSo you have to work for the, er, from the platform of spiritual consciousness. At the same time you have to work. The Lord never says that \"You stop work.\" Never says. Arjuna... Arjuna's friend was Lord Kṛṣṇa, but Kṛṣṇa never said... He is God Himself. He is the Supreme Personality of God Himself. He never said Arjuna that \"I am your friend. I shall supply all your necessities. You don't require to work. You stop.\" No. He never said that. Rather, Arjuna was declining to fight, but Kṛṣṇa is inducing him to fight. So in spiritual platform there is no question of stopping work. No question of stopping work. But work for the Supreme, that's all—īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1], with God consciousness.\n[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]\nNow, there are three process of yoga: jñāna-yoga and karma-yoga and bhakti-yoga. Now, jñāna-yoga, take for example jñāna-yoga. Jñāna-yoga means to keep in touch with the Supreme by speculation of higher knowledge, that discriminating what is spirit and what is matter. So there are philosophers, they are discriminating that \"This is matter...\" Neti neti: \"This is matter and this is spirit.\" Now, that requires study, and that requires knowledge also.\nNow, suppose a man is neither educated, neither he has got sufficient knowledge, philosophical knowledge. Then what happens to him? He will not be able to perform yoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi? No. He is also a bona fide person. He can also perform the work. Because he has no knowledge and because he is uneducated, that doesn't mean that he cannot do the..., or he cannot work from the spiritual platform. He can also do. That, how he can do, that is the technique.\nThis technique is explained herewith, the siddhy-asiddhyoḥ samo bhūtvā. Siddhy-asiddhyoḥ samo bhūtvā, that \"You do not be anxious for the success and failure of the attempt you are making.\" Success and failure. A common example can be cited in this connection. Suppose you are working for your master. You are working in a firm for selling something. The master says that \"You go and find out some customers for this particular thing.\" You go out. You go out. Now, you sincerely work for it. Suppose you get business worth 100,000 dollars or something like that. And suppose one day you don't get any business. Now, the day in which you got some business and on the day in which you did not get any business, it doesn't matter. Your connection with the master is there, so you get your salary. When the profit is 100,000's of dollars, you don't expect any profit out of it. And when there is no business, there is no loss on your part. Siddhy-asiddhyoḥ. Siddhy-asiddhyoḥ.\nSimilarly, if you act on behalf of the Supreme Lord, you can do any work you are situated. That doesn't matter. But if you act on behalf of the Supreme Lord... Just like Arjuna is being requested indirectly that Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa says that \"This fighting is My plan. So if you work for it, so you have nothing to enjoy or suffer out of the reaction because you shall work under My instruction.\" That is the... If we work on behalf of the Supreme Lord, then that is called yoga-sthaḥ. So our work is also not stopped, and at the same time I am situated in the spiritual platform.\nThat technique is taught by Lord Kṛṣṇa. Yoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi tyaktvā saṅgaṁ dhanañjaya: \"You do not be attached with the profit and loss of anything, but you simply do your duty. You don't care for the success or failure. And if you are, I mean to say, steady either in success or failure, that is called yoga. That is called yoga.\" Don't mind for the success or failure. Do act on behalf of the Supreme Lord. And if you are steady in that position, then your working in spiritual platform is successful. Saṅgaṁ tyaktvā. Saṅgaṁ tyaktvā means \"Don't be associated with the result of the work. Let the result come, whatever it may be, but you have to do your duty nicely and for the sake of God.\" Saṅgaṁ tyaktvā. \nKartṛtvā abhiniveṣam ca tyaktvā yoga-sthas taṁ karmāṇi kuru yuddhadi.[?] Kartṛtvā. Kartṛtvā means that you are the doer. \"Forget this. You are not the doer. You are being ordered to do it.\" Just like there is an example that you take a rod and kill a snake. Now, the rod is practically killing the snake, but actually the rod is not responsible, because the man who has taken the rod, who is killing the snake, he is responsible for killing the snake, not the rod. So we have to become the rod in the hand of the Supreme. Then all the reaction of our work will be... I will not be responsible for the reaction; the Lord will be responsible for that. That is the system. Yoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi saṅgaṁ tyaktvā dhanañjaya.\nNow, for a householder, according to our Vedic system... I have already described to you the four divisions of social system and four division of spiritual orders. Now, all the social system and orders, they are so designed that everyone is working for the satisfaction of the Supreme Lord. In a higher section of the social order, just like the brāhmaṇas and the kṣatriyas and the vaiśyas, the system is that in every household they establish the Deity, I mean to..., the form of the Supreme Lord. Either in picture or in idol, they establish that.\nNow, what is the function in your household affairs? You have got wife, you have got children, and you require some money. And the activities in householder affair is that you have to get some store from the market, and they are brought in your house and they are stocked, and in due time they are cooked, and you take your foodstuff and then go to your work. This is generally the whole system of household work.\nNow here, the yoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi... In India there are many families still, at least in my family, when I was family man, I was also doing this, that the Deity, Lord Kṛṣṇa, the mūrti—mūrti means Deity, or the idol of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa—established in a room. That is called the God's room. The God's room. So our duty is to rise early in the morning and open the door of the God's room, offer Him some prayers and some kīrtana, and then cleanse the room and then begin our daily duty, take our breakfast and... The whole idea is that \"The proprietor of this house is the Supreme Lord, and we are all workers.\" The whole idea is, \"The proprietor is the Supreme Lord, and we are all workers.\" Now, I am going to my office, to my work, to earn some money, because without money my household affairs cannot be run. So I am thinking that \"This money is required; otherwise God's service will be stopped.\" So in earning that money in my office or in my workshop, my God consciousness is there. Therefore, even in earning, whatever may be the process, you are yoga-sthaḥ; you are situated in yoga.\nNow, you get your money, then you go to the market. You are thinking, \"Oh, this is a very nice thing. Oh, it can be offered to Lord Kṛṣṇa. It can be offered to Lord Kṛṣṇa.\" Just like sometimes you bring some fruits for me, thinking, out of your love, \"Oh, Swāmījī will take this—you like it.\" So the consciousness is love. Out of love, you think of Swāmījī. Similarly, Swāmījī is thought because he is in relation with God. So similarly, we can think of also God. God or anything, relation with God, that is God consciousness. Just like electric charge. Anything connected with the powerhouse and anything later on connected with that powerhouse link—everything is surcharged with electricity.\nSo our life should be so formed that in our every activity there will be God consciousness. That is the technique of yoga-sthaḥ. You haven't got to separately being seated in meditation as yoga, generally as we understand. Now, how much you can devote your time to meditation? Suppose one hour in the morning or one hour in the evening you can devote. But if you mold your life in such a way that always, twenty-four hours, you are in meditation, that is the platform of yoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi.\nI am earning for the Supreme Lord. Then, when I earn, I bring things for cooking, I am thinking, \"Oh, this thing will be cooked for Lord.\" Now, your wife cooks, and she is also very clean because it is being cooked for Lord Kṛṣṇa. You see? Now, as far as I am concerned here, I also cook myself my food and offer to Kṛṣṇa, and therefore I ask my friends that unless it is offered to Kṛṣṇa, you please do not take it. You see? Sometimes I see that in your country, while cooking, they taste. They taste. But I request them that don't taste before the cooking is finished. After cooking is finished and when it is offered to the Deity, then you take as much as you like. As much as you like. So that means there is God consciousness, that \"This thing is being cooked for the Lord.\"\nThe cooking will go on. If you don't think of God, you require cooking, because you want to eat. The cooking is there in the program. But if you think that this cooking is done for God, then your God consciousness is there. The cooking you cannot avoid. As a householder you have to cook for yourself, you have to cook for your children, you have to cook for somebody else or for your own self. Just like I am cooking. I have no here family or children, but I am cooking for myself. So cooking you cannot stop. But if you cook with the understanding that \"This foodstuff is being cooked for the Lord. The Lord may be offered first; then we shall take,\" this is God consciousness. This is God consciousness.\nBut is it very difficult thing? Anyone can accept this. Anyone can do it. It is not... Because your cooking business is not stopped. Simply the mode of thinking has to be changed. That's all. A small technique, that \"I am earning for God. I am cooking for God. I am eating also for God. I am eating also for God.\" How is that eating you are...? \"Now, because my body is dedicated to the service of the Lord, if I don't eat sufficiently to keep my body fit, then how can I work?\" So your eating is also God consciousness. Your sleeping is also God consciousness. So that is the way. We have to mold our life's activities.\nNow, when I think that \"I have to keep this body fit for working for God,\" so then that is not, I mean to... That is not bodily conception of life. Just like when you think that \"My car has to be kept very nicely so that I can take nice work for it,\" then you are not identified with your car; you simply want to take some service of the car. Similarly, if you think that \"This body is required for acting, for working on behalf of the Supreme Lord; therefore I must keep the body fit to work,\" so that is not your identification with the body. But if I use this body for sense gratification and therefore I make my body stout and strong to enjoy sense enjoyment, that is the cause of my bondage. So it is a simple technique, and we have to understand it and we have to act it on the program as they have been made by experienced devotees. Experienced devotees.\nNow, another thing. Take this... See the advantage of God consciousness. Now, if you have got determination that \"I shall not take anything which is not offered to God...\" Because your life is meant for God's service. You earn for God; you cook for God; you eat for God. Therefore the whole life is like that. Now, if you are cooking for God, if you are purchasing stores for God, then you have to know what sort of things can be offered to God, because... Always remember that you are going to the store not for your own purpose. You find in later chapters that pacanti te aghaṁ pāpām... Er, no. The idea is that anyone who is doing everything for the sake of the Lord, he is freed from the reaction, but anyone who is doing anything on his own account, he is being entangled in that action and reaction. So that is the technique of becoming yoga-sthaḥ. Yoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi.\nIn the next śloka, in next śloka, it is very clearly explained that,\ndūreṇa hy avaraṁ karma\nbuddhi-yogād dhanañjaya\nbuddhau śaraṇam anviccha\nkṛpaṇāḥ phala-hetavaḥ\n[Bg 9.49]\n[O Dhanañjaya, rid yourself of all fruitive activities by devotional service, and surrender fully to that consciousness. Those who want to enjoy the fruits of their work are misers.]\nKṛpaṇāḥ phala-hetavaḥ. Now, here is... The word kṛpaṇa is very significant. Kṛpaṇa. There are two classes of men. The kṛpaṇa means miser; kṛpaṇa, miser. And just the opposite word of kṛpaṇa is brāhmaṇa. I have already explained to you sometimes that brāhmaṇa, brāhmaṇa means who knows that \"I am not this body; I am the... I am the... I am in spirit, conscious. I am soul, spirit, consciousness\"; one who knows perfectly well this understanding and the science also, that \"I am qualitatively one with the Supreme Lord,\" ahaṁ brahmāsmi. The Vedic mantra says, ahaṁ brahmāsmi. That means \"I am Brahman. I am not this matter. I am Brahman.\" So one who knows this science, he is called brāhmaṇa. And that doesn't matter who is he and where he is born. That doesn't matter. Simply knowing this science.\nNow, the opposite word is kṛpaṇa. Kṛpaṇa means miser. Whom you call miser? The miser is a man who has got enough money but does not spend it. He is called miser. Miser means who has got enough assets, but he does not spend. He simply sees his money and satisfied. He does not spend it, properly utilize it. He is called kṛpaṇa. Is it right, the miser explanation?\nSo kṛpaṇa, who is kṛpaṇa and who is brāhmaṇa? Brāhmaṇa means who has known that \"I am spiritual identity. I am qualitatively one with the Supreme Lord. I am the part and parcel of the Lord.\" This knowledge, one who has developed highly and perfectly, he is called brāhmaṇa. And kṛpaṇa means who has not utilized this human form of body to understand that he is spiritual identity, Brahman, but he simply knows that \"I am this body, and because this body is born in a certain place, so I am identified to that country or to that society or to that family.\" They, they are called kṛpaṇa. Kṛpaṇa means that he has not properly utilized the developed consciousness he has got in his asset.\nA human being has got the developed consciousness than other subhuman or the animal society. So he has to utilize. Just like you have got 100,000's of dollars. Now, if you properly utilize, it can be increased. It can be increased to millions of dollars by your intelligence if you utilize it. And if you do not utilize it, if you keep it as it is, that is also very good, but sometimes we lost the whole thing. They are called kṛpaṇa, foolishness. Foolishness.\nSo we must utilize this human form of body properly to understand that \"I am not this body; I am pure consciousness. And this pure consciousness I have to practice in such a way that in next life I get my pure conscious or into pure spiritual body, not again this material body.\" This material body, we must always know, this is a foreign thing. We have already explained to you that this is just like dress. Dress. Dress is a foreign thing to my body. Similarly, this gross and subtle body—gross body of this material five elements and the subtle body of mind, ego, intelligence—they are my foreign things.\nSo I am now encaged in foreign things. My whole life mission is to get out of these foreign things. I want to be situated in my real, spiritual body. That can be done if you practice. If you practice during this life to..., always to be spiritually situated, then your next life, after leaving... Even within this body, when you get clear conception that \"I am not this body,\" and you are clearly working from the spiritual platform, as Lord Kṛṣṇa prescribes here that yoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi, \"Be situated in yoga and act in your daily duties,\" then similarly, if we practice this to work in such a way that we have to work from the spiritual platform, then in your next life will be free from this material bondage and you get your freedom life. Spiritual body means your freedom life.\nWe do not know; we have no conception that in our spiritual body how much we can be powerful. We do not know that. There is calculation. There is calculation that suppose God is cent percent perfect. So when you get your spiritual body, you may not be as powerful as God, but almost near to God. You get seventy-eight percent. You get seventy-eight percent of the whole power. That is a calculation by the great sages. They have calculated that a living entity can attain to the perfection of seventy-eight percent. Now, in our present material condition we have no spiritual power at all. We are always encumbered and conditioned by material forces. You see?\nSo therefore one who does not utilize this body for perfection, for liberation, he is called kṛpaṇa. Kṛpaṇa. This is stated here. Kṛpaṇāḥ phala-hetavaḥ. Kṛpaṇāḥ phala-hetavaḥ. That kṛpaṇa, that means miserly person who does not utilize this human form of life for better profit, then he wants that \"Oh, I have done so much. I must get the profit. I must get it.\" What profit you get? For the bodily enjoyment? For sense enjoyment? Oh, sacrifice it. Sacrifice it. You know that there is a word yajña, \"sacrifice.\" Sacrifice means—it is a common word—that you dedicate, you dedicate your life for the service of the Lord, this life. You'll not be sufferer. What is there, suffering?\nNow just the prescription or the formula I have just cited before you that your householder life... Now, you are doing everything. You are earning money; you are getting from the store; you are cooking. Everything... Nothing is stopped. Simply change your mentality, that everything is being done for God. It is not at all difficult. Simply we have to adopt it. We have to adopt it. So kṛpaṇāḥ phala-hetavaḥ.\nNow, if you think, \"Oh, why...? I am earning for my palatable dishes. Why shall I offer it to God? This is..., there are so many, I mean to say, encumbrances. I am not going to do,\" then you become kṛpaṇa, miser. But if you be a brāhmaṇa... Brāhmaṇa means udāra, liberated..., liberal, not liberated. Liberal. The opposite word of kṛpaṇa is liberal. \"I offer this body for the service of the Supreme.\" I become so liberal. Not for my sense enjoyment. So one who engages this body for sense enjoyment, he is called kṛpaṇa, miser. And one who engages this body for the service of the Supreme Lord, he is called brāhmaṇa. So Lord says that \"You don't be kṛpaṇa. You don't be miser.\" Miser want...\nNow, here, suppose... There are so many rich men in your country and so many foundations also. And I tell you my practical experience. I wrote some letters to some good foundation that \"I want to start here in America an institution for God consciousness, international institution for God consciousness. You kindly help me.\" Now, they have flatly refused, that \"Our pledge is not anything for religion or God.\" Just see. That means, according to Bhagavad-gītā, they are all misers. Although they have got very good foundation, they are making actually some charities, but they are miserly. They do not know where to make charity, where to make charity.\nThe karma-yoga, karma-yoga... It will be clearly stated by Lord in later chapter, yat karoṣi yaj juhoṣi yad aśnāsi dadāsi yat kuruṣva tad mad-arpaṇam [Bg 9.27].\n[O son of Kuntī, all that you do, all that you eat, all that you offer and give away, as well as all austerities that you may perform, should be done as an offering unto Me.]\nThe karma-yoga process is that \"Whatever you do, whatever you take trouble for, whatever you eat, and everything, offer to Me. Offer to Me.\" That is called karma-yoga, or yoga-sthaḥ. But the people have developed such a consciousness at the present moment that whenever they hear of God or whenever they hear of some religion, they at once become adverse to it. In my country also the same position.\nNow this book, my Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, it is recognized by the government. The Ministry of Central Government, they have recognized this book, and they are purchasing hundred copies of each part. They recognize. But when I told that \"For this publication of the whole thing, I require 500,000's of dollars. The government can take up this work,\" \"No, our government is secular. Secular.\" So I could not get any help from my government. You see?\nAnd here also, I approached some foundation that \"Here is my program, that I want to start one institution for God consciousness. Please, your... The institution will be established in your country. Your people will be benefited. I don't take any money. I don't make any profit. I want to simply give my service.\" And I have got their letter, on the Rockefeller Foundation. They have flatly refused: \"No, we are not going to contribute anything for religious purpose or for God consciousness. It is not possible.\"\nSo people have become so averse to the sense of God. How they can be happy? At least from the Bhagavad-gītā we find it clearly they cannot be happy. However they make progress in material advancement of science and economy and everything, oh, they cannot be happy. They cannot be happy. The whole thing is the wrong process. Here is the process recommended in the Bhagavad-gītā, that yoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi [2.48].\n[Be steadfast in yoga, O Arjuna. Perform your duty and abandon all attachment to success or failure. Such evenness of mind is called yoga.]\nYoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi. Unless you work... Your work... No work is condemned. Whatever you do, that doesn't matter. But if that work is done on behalf of the Supreme Lord, that makes you purified. That makes you happy.\nBut that science is lacking altogether all over the world—not only here or there. The whole thing... In Russia they are preaching godless civilization: \"There is no God.\" Here also there are even some churches, I know, they are preaching that God is dead. You see? They are preaching like that. So the condition is very precarious at the present moment. And we are preaching Bhagavad-gītā and the formula, but the formula is practically very difficult to apply in the present circumstances. You see? Yoga-sthaḥ kuru karmāṇi.\nPeople have gone so much ahead in material, I mean to say... Material civilization means only sense gratification. That's all. It has nothing more than this. And actually we are seeing that as much as we are making economic progress, as much money we are getting, the next program is how to spend it for sense gratification. How to spend it for sense gratification. They have no other program. No other program. You see? Everywhere. But here the formula is that nothing for your sense gratification; everything for God. The work is not condemned. Work you can do. Whatever in situation, position, you are by God's will you are put in, that doesn't matter. Your work is not bad, provided you work for the Supreme Lord. That's all. That is the technique.\nSo dūreṇa hy avaraṁ karma [Bg 2.49].\n[O Dhanañjaya, rid yourself of all fruitive activities by devotional service, and surrender fully to that consciousness. Those who want to enjoy the fruits of their work are misers.]\nHere it is emphatically emphasized that dūreṇa hy avaraṁ karma buddhi-yogād dhanañjaya: \"By application of this God consciousness, you throw away all other work. Any work which you cannot do with God consciousness, don't do it.\" Now, here is the injunction in Bhagavad-gītā that \"Anything which you cannot do with God consciousness, stop doing.\" But the whole world is engaged doing things in which there is no God consciousness. There is no God consciousness.\nBut here it is enjoined that buddhau śaraṇam anviccha kṛpaṇāḥ phala-hetavaḥ [Bg 9.49]:\n[O Dhanañjaya, rid yourself of all fruitive activities by devotional service, and surrender fully to that consciousness. Those who want to enjoy the fruits of their work are misers.]\n\"Only those who are kṛpaṇa, those who are not self-realized, they are hankering after sense gratification. They want to enjoy the fruits of their labor. But you don't be. Arjuna, you don't be. If you want to be spiritually situated, if you want to work from the spiritual platform, then you don't do it. You work on the spiritual platform and don't do anything which you cannot do in God consciousness.\" This is clearly stated here.\nNow, it is, of course... It depends on us whether to accept it or not accept it, because God has given us independence. You'll find also in the Bhagavad-gītā at the end that after the instruction is given, the Lord enquires from Arjuna that \"I have given you all instruction necessary. Now whatever you like, you do.\" So this is the position. The Lord never interferes with the little independence that has been offered to us. We have got little independence because we are part and parcel of the Supreme Lord. So under certain percentage we have got independence. Not full independence, but under certain percentage we have got independence. And that independence we can use properly or misuse it also. When we misuse, then we become kṛpaṇa, the miser. And when we use it properly, then we become brāhmaṇa.\nSo,\ndūreṇa hy avaraṁ karma\nbuddhi-yogād dhanañjaya\nbuddhau śaraṇam anviccha...,\nśaraṇam anviccha\nkṛpaṇāḥ phala-hetavaḥ\n[Bg 2.49]\n[O Dhanañjaya, rid yourself of all fruitive activities by devotional service, and surrender fully to that consciousness. Those who want to enjoy the fruits of their work are misers.]\nBuddhi, by intelligence. By intelligence you take shelter of the Supreme Lord. Don't be miser and be hankering after the result of your work and enjoy for yourself. No. Sacrifice. Sacrifice means you sacrifice your energy. God is not hankering after your money or whatever you have got. He is full in Himself. He is full in Himself. He doesn't require.\nNow, in India there is a system of worshiping the Ganges water. Ganges water. Ganges water... There are five sacred river which the Hindus, they worship. They are Gaṅgā, Yamunā, Kāverī, Godāvarī, Narmadā. Just like you have got your Hudson River here, similarly, there are many rivers, and one of them... These five rivers, they are accepted as the sacred river, and people take their bath and offer their, I mean, respect. Now, what is the process of respect? The process of respect is, just like worshiping the Ganges water. Now, after taking your bath, you stand on the water and take little water from the river, just like this. The river is flowing. You take little water like this and chant your mantra and offer it.\nNow, this offering, offering of water, wherefrom the water is come? Oh, you have taken the water from the Ganges. You have not brought even the water from your house. You are taking the water from the Ganges, and you are again offering the same to the Ganges with some mantra. So similarly, the Ganges has got immense water. If you take one palmful of water out of it, the Ganges is not in loss. And again, if you offer a palmful of water on the Ganges, the Ganges does not gain anything. But utilizing the Ganges water and offering to the Ganges, you become a devotee of Ganges.\nSimilarly, the offering to Lord... What you have got? Your body, it is also given by God. Your intelligence, it is given by God. The facility of work, it is given by God. Everything is given by God. Now, what do we work? Now, suppose I am writing books. All right. \"In which you are writing?\" On paper. \"All right, who has given you paper?\" Now, you make philosophical study. \"Well, paper I purchased from the market.\" Market, how does it supply paper? \"It is manufactured in mills.\" Oh, it is manufactured in mills. Where they get the raw materials? \"Oh, from the wood.\" How the wood is produced? Oh, then you come to the God. You cannot produce the wood. You simply bring wood from the forest and get it to chemically purified and make a plaster, and the paper is made. So no raw material you can manufacture. Raw material has to be taken from God's stock. But if the raw material is taken from God's stock, then how the paper becomes yours?\nThis is God consciousness. This is... Everything we'll find that nothing is our. We simply... The economist also say that we cannot manufacture anything; we can simply transform from one form to another. That's all. We can give our labor only. And that labor also, given the strength... Now, suppose I work with my hand. Now, I am claiming, \"This is my hand.\" But if God withdraws the power of your hand, paralyzed, oh, your pride is at once vanquished. Not your hand. You see?\nSo in everything, nothing is yours. I am also... As spirit soul, I am also part and parcel of God. And we are thinking independently, that \"I have no connection with God.\" This is very horrible condition. The whole world is suffering because this misconception of life, misconception of life, that he has forgotten his eternal relationship with God. So we have to revive it. We have to revive it, this process. The Bhagavad-gītā has prescribed,\ndūreṇa hy avaraṁ karma\nbuddhi-yogād dhanañjaya\nbuddhau śaraṇam anviccha\nkṛpaṇāḥ phala-hetavaḥ\n[Bg 2.49]\n[O Dhanañjaya, rid yourself of all fruitive activities by devotional service, and surrender fully to that consciousness. Those who want to enjoy the fruits of their work are misers.]\nKṛpaṇāḥ means those who are anxious for enjoying sense gratification by the fruits of their labor. They are called kṛpaṇa. And those who have sacrificed the whole body, whole intelligence... Sacrifice... You always remember: what we can sacrifice? Just like we take Ganges water from Ganges and offering Ganges, so everything is obtained from God, and now, if we offer the same thing to God, then we become liberated. Actually I am not proprietor in anything. Myself is also not... I am also the part and parcel of the Supreme Lord. These are the conception. Without this conception, without this God conception, there is no spiritual realization and there is no happiness, either personally or impersonally or socially or economically or politically. There cannot be.\nOf course, today there is no time; otherwise I would have recited. Those who have got my books, you will see that how much profusely the earth was producing during the time of Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira. Because the executive head of the state was a pious, so how nature was helping. Nature was helping. Now India there is scarcity, scarcity of foodstuff. But the same India was producing so much grains, even during British time, that many thousands and thousand tons of rice were being exported from India to other countries. You see? That I have seen. I have seen. My maternal uncle was very rich man by simply exporting rice to the foreign countries. Yes. Spices... And old history you will find that India, they had got their own ships for exporting spices to Greece and other countries of Europe. The history is there. And they were supplying muslin cloth, even just before the British period, Muslim period.\nSo India's export, export, I mean to say, status was far greater than other countries. And these spices and other export attracted persons from Europe, that Vasco da Gama, and the Columbus also wanted to go, but he fortunately came to America. You see? All these Europeans and the Britishers went and established their supremacy. So India was so rich. But now how that India has become so poor? The same land is there. Why? Because they have lost that old culture, God consciousness. You see?\nAnd at least my calculation is that, that a state, a secular state... Secular state means he has no... Here in America you have got state religion. You have got state religion. But in India there is no state religion. Every country has state religion. Even Pakistan, it has divided; it is now a part of India. But they have also their state religion. But unfortunately India has no state religion. That means deliberately they are trying to disconnect with God relation, godly relation. But in the same India... You just read the history, five thousand years before, how much profusely the nature was supplying. In the morning we are studying that portion. Mr. Paul was reading that portion, that how much nature was giving.\nSo nature can give you anything. After all, it is the nature that supplies your necessities, not the industry. Industry simply transformed in a different way, and a certain class make profit out of it. Industry does not mean really economic improvement. Real economic improvement means what you produce from the land. That requires God help. Without raw materials, even your industry cannot go on. Just like I have cited the example of paper. Now paper..., nowadays paper is made from wood. Now, if there is no sufficient... Now you have got in your America sufficient wood, so you can make, produce paper in large quantity. But suppose the woods are finished. Then industry will be finished.\nAnyway, we should always be in conscious that everything that we have in our possession, even our body, even our mind, even our energy, everything, that is God-gifted. One who has got this conception of life, he is brāhmaṇa. He is the one who knows Brahman. One who does not know this and simply lives for sense gratification, he is called the miser. So we shall not be miser. We shall be the brāhmaṇa. That should be our...\nAnd there is no restriction. Don't think that because you are born in America, you cannot become a brāhmaṇa. No, you can become a brāhmaṇa. There is no restriction. Brahma jānātīti brāhmaṇaḥ. The formula is that janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ. Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ. Everyone who is born, first born by the father and mother, then he is called a śūdra. Even he is born in a brāhmaṇa family, he is called a śūdra. Then saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ. Then, by culture... The cultural birth is called the second birth, dvija. The higher caste in India, they are called dvija. Dvija means the first birth by father and mother, that is... Animal birth and man birth is the same, because the process is the same. But unless one takes his birth by higher culture, he cannot be called dvija.\nSometimes the birds are also called dvija. Dvija means twice-born. Twice-born. Just like the birds... The sea bird lays the egg first, and then it is fomented. And from the, I mean to, the egg, the cub comes out, the offspring comes out—the second birth. Therefore birds are also sometimes called dvija. Similarly, human and higher status of life, they must have twice-born. Therefore the brāhmaṇas, the kṣatriyas and the vaiśyas, this thread, this thread is the sign that \"My second birth has been done.\" This is the emblem. This upavīta, upanayanam, this is the sign.\nIn India higher caste you will find this sacred thread. Sacred thread means when he is accepted, when he is given the second birth, this thread ceremony, there is a thread ceremony. So second birth means saṁskāra, saṁskāra, reformation. Reformation. It doesn't matter where and how he is born. It doesn't matter. The other day I cited the example of Jābāli Upaniṣad. He could not say even his father's name. But because he was so sincerely that he declared before Gautama Muni that \"Either my mother or myself, I do not know who is my father,\" Gautama Muni ac..., \"Oh, you are brāhmaṇa. You are truthful. You are truthful.\"\nSo these are the qualification, saṁskāra, cultural birth. Cultural birth makes the twice-born. Saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ. Janmanā jāyate. By birth everyone is śūdra. And when he is reformed, when he is culturally rebirth, taken rebirth, then he is dvija, twice-born. And after being dvija, veda-paṭhāt bhaved vipraḥ. Veda-paṭhāt means this knowledge, scriptural knowledge, Vedic wisdom. By studying this Vedic wisdom he becomes a vipra. And after studying, when he knows, \"Oh, I am spiritual. I am not this matter,\" and he knows the constitution of himself, constitution of the Supreme Lord, then he is brāhmaṇa.\nTherefore the whole mission of human society should be how to prepare brāhmaṇa. Then peace and prosperity will be there. If you keep them just like cats and dogs in the platform of śūdra, how can you expect? Do you mean to say there is any peace in the dog society? No. That is not possible. Peace can be had only, really, human society.\nSo this is the culture. The Vedic, whole Vedic culture is to make a man a brāhmaṇa, not to keep him in the śūdra stage. Not to. Every father has to take care. The state has to take care, the teacher has to take care, how to make the children, the poor children, the innocent children, to a perfect brāhmaṇa. The whole culture is like that. You see? So Bhagavad-gītā teaches that. And don't become... Don't remain in the śūdra stage and a miser, but just try to become a brāhmaṇa by culture. Then your life will be successful.\nThank you very much. Now, any question? Yes?",
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"content": "\n\n...rīraṁ kaunteya\nkṣetram ity abhidhīyate\netad yo vetti taṁ prāhuḥ\nkṣetra-jña iti tad-vidaḥ\n[Bg. 13.2]\nThe Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, is instructing Arjuna about the knowledge of kṣetra and kṣetra-jña. Kṣetra means the field, just like here, agricultural land, and there is cultivator. So this body is called the field, and the soul, which is the proprietor of this body, is the cultivator.\n[feedback sound from microphone]\n[aside:] What is this, this sound?",
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"content": "\nSo we have got this body, and we have to cultivate. That is called karma, or work. Just like while coming to your place we saw so many cultivating land—somewhere coffee is being cultivated, somewhere peas, somewhere others, corns.\nSo we have been given this particular type of body for cultivating and getting the required produce according to our desire. That is the gift of God. God is very kind.\nye yathā māṁ prapadyante\ntāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham\n[Bg. 4.11]\nEveryone who wants something from God, God is very kind; He awards, \"All right, you take this.\" Actually, just like father and the son: the son insists upon getting something from father. Father says, \"My dear son, don't take this. This is not good for you.\" But when he insists upon: \"Father, I want this,\" then the affectionate father gives him, \"All right, you take it, try for it.\"\nSimilarly, we are all part and parcel of God. Just like your sons, daughters and children are part and parcel of your body, similarly, we are... All living entities—not only human beings. Human being is one of the 8,400,000 species of forms. There are 8,400,000 species of forms, and the human body is one of them. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nsarva-yoniṣu kaunteya\nsambhavanti mūrtayaḥ yāḥ\n[Bg. 14.4]\n\"My dear Kaunteya, Arjuna, as many forms are there in all species of life,\" tāsāṁ mahad yonir brahma, \"this material world is their mother and,\" ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā, \"I am the seed-giving father.\" Exactly in the same way that we are born, the father gives the seed within the womb of the mother and mother develops the body.\nSo we living entities, we are coming from God in this material world, and the mother, material world, prakṛti, jarā prakṛti, the dull material world, is giving us this body. And there are 8,400,000 species of body. Jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi: in the water there are 900,000 species of life. Jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati [Padma Purāṇa].\nAnd there are 2,000,000 species of life, plants and trees. They're all living entities. And don't think that they have no soul. It is a wrong theory that only human being has got soul and not other living entities. No. Everyone has got soul…\n[baby making noises]\n[aside:] The child is... It is disturbing.\nSo there are 2,000,000 species of forms, plants and trees: jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati kṛmayo rudra-saṅkhyakāḥ. Insects. From plant life the development is insect and reptiles. There are eleven lakhs, eleven hundred thousand species of life of insects, sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati kṛmayo rudra-saṅkhyakāḥ. Rudra-saṅkhyakāḥ means eleven hundred thousands, and daśa-lakṣaṇi, birds, ten lakhs.\nOne million species of birds, and 3,000,000 species of beast and 400,000 species of human being. These are the definition of different species of life. And Kṛṣṇa says that \"They are all My parts and parcel.\" Not that only human being are parts and parcels of God, not the animal. Therefore this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is especially meant for understanding the position of the soul and his relationship with God. Sambandha. Sambandha means relationship.\nThis human form of life, that is explained here,\nidaṁ śarīraṁ kaunteya\nkṣetram ity abhidhīyate\n[Bg. 13.2]\nWe are not this body, but we are placed in this body. Exactly the same as I already explained: that the father gives the seed within the womb of the mother, yathā bījaṁ yathā yoni [SB 6.1.54]. Bījaṁ means the semina of the father, and yoni is the mother. So in this way, we are put into this material world and then we develop different types of body according to our desire. This is the understanding of kṣetra and kṣetra-jña. \nKṣetra-jña means one who understands his body. Just like if you meditate upon your body—you study your finger, whether I am this finger—you come to the conclusion that \"I am not this finger; it is my finger.\" Similarly, if you study your hands, legs and all parts of the body, you will come to the conclusion that you are not this body but the body is belonging to you. It is your body.\nSo the modern civilization do not know \"What I am.\" They are working under the impression that I am body. If I ask you, \"What you are, gentleman?\" he'll say, \"I am Hindu,\" \"I am Muslim,\" \"I am Sikh,\" \"I am Christian,\" like that. But these are the identification of the body. But I am not this body. Kṣetra, kṣetra-jña: body is the field of my activities, different bodies.\nJust like dog is engaged in one kind of activity, and the cat is engaged in one kind of activity, or the human being is engaged in another kind of activity, so these differences of activities are due to the difference of body, kṣetra. But when you come to the platform of soul, when you understand that \"I am not this body,\" then the activity is different. That activity is called spiritual activity. The material activity and spiritual activity.\nSo material activity and spiritual activity. So long we are under the concept of bodily life, our activities are material. But as soon as you understand that \"I do not belong to the body. I am not this body, but I am spirit soul, ahaṁ brahmāsmi…\" The exact Vedic language in this connection is called ahaṁ brahmāsmi: \"I am spirit soul.\" This knowledge is perfect. So long we are under the concept of body, that \"I am this body,\" that is ignorance.\nIn the śāstra it is said,\nyasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke\nsva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ\nyat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile na karhicij\njaneṣv sa abhijñeṣu sa eva go-kharaḥ\n[SB 10.84.13]\nSo long we are in this bodily concept of life, then as long as we are feeling like that, all our activities are our defeat. Parābhava. Parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto [SB 5.5.5]. Abodha-jātaḥ. The animals or the human beings—everyone, just like this child—abodha-jātaḥ: born ignorant. Similarly, human being, if he remains under the bodily concept of life, then he is ignorant. That is called śūdra. Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ: the Vedic culture says that everyone born is a śūdra. Therefore he has to be given knowledge, exactly like we send our children to schools, colleges. Why? To get knowledge.\nSimilarly, if we remain satisfied simply with the birth by our father or mother, that is śūdra condition. One has to be raised to the brahminical condition. Janmanā…, there is a process. The process is janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ. Everyone is born śūdra by birth. It is not that by birth one becomes brāhmaṇa; otherwise the śāstra would not have stated like this, that janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ, \"By birth everyone is śūdra.\" Saṁskārād dhi bhaved dvijaḥ: but when he has executed the purificatory process, sanctifying process…\nThere are ten kinds of sanctifying process. Even when the father is going to give birth to the child, he has to undergo a ritualistic ceremony, which is called garbhādhāna-saṁskāra, seed-giving ceremony. That is the Vedic function, garbhādhāna. But in the Kali-yuga all these saṁskāras are not followed strictly. Otherwise, according to śāstra, if these garbhādhāna-saṁskāra is not done… Garbhādhāna-saṁskāra is especially recommended for the brāhmaṇas, the kṣatriyas and the vaiśyas—especially the brāhmaṇas.\nSo now in this age no saṁskāra is adopted; therefore he remains a śūdra, janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ, because the purificatory processes are not practised. Therefore, janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ. And in this age, Kali-yuga, the processes are not observed; therefore śāstra says, kalau śūdra-sambhava. In this age, Kali-yuga, it is everyone is śūdra: kalau śūdra-sambhava.\nSo this process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is making everyone a brāhmaṇa from the śūdra stage. This is a purificatory process. Just like you see these European and American boys, they are undergoing purificatory process. Purificatory process means to avoid sinful activities. That is purificatory. If you don't act sinfully, then you are pure.\nSo the basic principles of sinful life are four: striya sūnā pāna dyūta yatra pāpaś catur-vidhā [SB 1.17.38]. Catur-vidhā means four kinds of sinful activities are… Striya means to have illicit sex life. According to Vedic principles, sex life cannot be performed without a married life that is sanctioned by religion. Therefore in human society there is system of marriage.\nNot that you keep a woman, you keep a man, like cats and dogs; no human society. May be Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Sikh—it doesn't matter—any civilized form of society has got this system of marriage, because without marriage sex life is irreligious. Therefore this is one of the sinful activities: to have illicit sex life.\nAnd sūnā, sūnā means killing of animals. Killing of animals… Even in Christian religion it is forbidden: \"Thou shall not kill.\" Out of the Ten Commandments the first commandment is, \"Thou shall not kill.\" In the Buddha religion there is also the same thing: ahiṁsā paramo dharmaḥ. So in other religions, Hindu religion, they are…, there are sometimes killing of animals in sacrifices. But that is not for eating purpose. The test of Vedic mantra was, I mean to say, verified how the mantras are being chanted. So sometimes the animals were put into the fire, and the animal would come out again with new life. That was the test of Vedic mantras.\nIn this age, Kali-yuga, there is no such qualified brāhmaṇa to perform the sacrifices; therefore all kinds of animal sacrifices are forbidden.\naśvamedhaṁ gavālambhaṁ\nsannyāsaṁ pala-paitṛkam\ndevareṇa sutotpattiṁ\nkalau pañca vivarjayet\n[Cc. Ādi 17.164]\nSo sūnā, sūnā means unnecessary animal-killing. Unnecessary. Human society should be sober and continent. If I can…, I require to eat something, if I have got sufficient grains, fruits, milk, flour, vegetables, why should I kill unnecessarily a poor animal? So this is sinful.\nStriya sūnā pāna. Pāna means intoxication. Therefore those… Of course, in this country, it is not very much so, but in India pān, betel, betel nut, and pān eating. The pāna means drinking; pāna means intoxication. So even drinking tea, chewing pān is also intoxication, what to speak of drinking wine and other things. Striya sūnā pāna dyūta. And dyūta means gambling. So if we want to be purified, then we must give up these four principles of sinful activities.\nSo these boys are being trained up for their purification, and although from their birth they are habituated to all these habits, they have given up. They have no other bad habits. Nothing. They don't take even tea, and smoke. This is purificatory process. Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ. By this purificatory process one becomes brāhmaṇa.\nSo this path is open for everyone—to become brāhmaṇa or to become purified. Brāhmaṇa means truthful and purified: satya, śauca, śama, dama, titikṣa, ārjavam jñānaṁ vijñānam āstikyaṁ, brahma-karma svabhāva-jam [Bg. 18.42]. Truthfulness, purity—satyam, śaucam; śama—controlling the mind; dama—controlling the senses. Śama, dama; titikṣa—tolerance; ārjavam—simplicity; jñānaṁ—learning; vijñānam—practical application of learning in life; āstikyaṁ—full faith in God. Brahma-karma svabhāva-jam. These are the symptoms when one becomes a brāhmaṇa.\nSo at the present moment, there is necessity of creating some brāhmaṇa—creating some brāhmaṇa. Because as I have already told that in this age almost everyone is a śūdra because the purificatory processes are not adopted. Everyone's busy only for maintaining this body, āhāra-nidra-bhaya-maithuna ca. Āhāra-nidra-bhaya-maithuna: eating, sleeping, fearing and defending. But this is the business of the animals and the śūdras.\nBut the society cannot be peaceful unless there are four principles, four divisions of human being: brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya and śūdra. Just like your body is complete when there is head, when there are arms, when there is abdomen and when there are legs. If you keep simply the head and no trunk, hands or legs, that is useless.\nSimilarly, if there are simply brāhmaṇas, then the human society is incomplete. If there are simply kṣatriyas, or the arms, that is also incomplete. If there is only abdomen, or the vaiśya—vaiśyas are concerned only filling of the belly—so that is also incomplete. And if you simply have legs, that is also. The four things must be there to make a complete body.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā,\ncātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ\nguṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ\n[Bg. 4.13]\n\"Under the division of quality and work.\" These four divisions of human society is there. What is that? There must be some people, some section of the human society, must be brāhmaṇa, or very intelligent class of men, having spiritual knowledge. Intelligent class of men means having spiritual knowledge. Non-intelligent class of men means \"I am this body,\" and intelligent class of men means \"I am soul,\" brahma-bhūtaḥ.\nSo there must be a… Just like a living body must have the head, similarly, there must be a class of men brāhmaṇa, very intelligent class. That intelligent class of men are the Kṛṣṇa-ites, or Kṛṣṇa conscious men. Just like Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā,\nbahūnāṁ janmanām ante\njñānavān māṁ prapadyate\n[Bg. 7.19]\n\"After many, many births, one, when he is jñānavān, very wise, he prapadyate, he surrenders unto Me.\" How? Without any reason he surrenders? No. Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19]. He understands that Kṛṣṇa is the root of everything, He is the origin of everything, īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ [Bs. 5.1]. There are many īśvaras; īśvaraḥ means controller. Every one of you may be a controller, and you are some controller—you are controller of family also, controller. But there, that controller means īśvaraḥ, or God. But Kṛṣṇa is the supreme controller, īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ.\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness is wisdom.\nbahūnāṁ janmanām ante\njñānavān māṁ prapadyate\n[Bg. 7.19]\nThat is actually wisdom. People do not know it: na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ [SB 7.5.31]. They do not know their self-interest. They are thinking, \"My self-interest is to maintain this body.\" Such kind of self-interest is there in the society of cats, dogs and hogs. They are also trying to maintain this body, somehow or other. But another thing is from the Vedic knowledge you can understand that you don't require to labor very much for maintaining your body. Because from the Vedic instruction we understand that eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān.\nnityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām,\neko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān\n[Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]\nA bird is also living entity like you and me, and we are also living entities, because we are part and parcel of God. Just like you are part and parcel of your father, so you are a person, then your father must be a person, and your father's father must be a person, his father must be a person… In this way, if you go to the original father, He must be a person. He cannot be imperson.\nSo when we understand that supreme person from whom we are all emanations, as in the Vedānta-sūtra it is said, the first question is brahma jijñāsā: \"What is Brahman, or the Absolute Truth?\" The answer is, janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]: wherefrom everything is born. God, or the Absolute Truth, Absolute Personality of Godhead, is the father. From Him everything is emanating, everything is born. The material nature is born from the supreme father. We, the spirit souls, we are also one of the spiritual nature of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. These things are very nicely explained in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nbhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ\nkhaṁ buddhir mano eva ca\nprakṛtir me bhinnā aṣṭadhā\napareyam itas tv viddhi\nme prakṛtiṁ parām\njīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bāho\nyayedaṁ dhāryate jagat\n[Bg. 7.4–5]\nSo there are two prakṛtis, nature: one spiritual nature, another, material nature. Both of them are coming from the same source, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Just like fire and heat, er, light and heat, the source is the fire. From the fire emanating heat and light also. Similarly, from God, Kṛṣṇa, two prakṛtis, natures, are coming out. One is called material nature and one is called spiritual nature.\nJust like we are combination of material and spiritual—not only we; the whole cosmic manifestation is combination of these two natures, material and spiritual. Just like both of us—you, me and everyone—we are combination of the spiritual nature, the soul, and the material nature, the body—the subtle body and the gross body. As soon as the spiritual nature is out of this body, the body is called dead. Therefore this spiritual nature is called superior nature, jīva-bhūtāṁ mahā-bāho, apareyam itas tu viddhi me prakṛtiṁ parām.\nSo this material nature is aparā, inferior, and the spiritual nature is parā, or superior. Why superior? Because the spiritual nature is controlling over the material nature. This table is material nature, but I am spirit soul—I can move this table from here to there. The table has no power to move. Just like a big aeroplane, it is moving at the rate of one thousand miles per hour, but because the pilot is a spiritual nature, he is pushing the button; therefore it is moving. Otherwise it has no power to move. In spite of all mechanical arrangements, if there is no pilot, the big aeroplane will lie down on the street.\nTherefore this spiritual nature is superior, and as we have explained already, nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]. As we are spirit soul, cetana, living force, so there is a supreme living force: that is God, that is Kṛṣṇa, nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is very scientific movement for spiritual understanding. At the same time, the modern society requires such intellectual persons who can broadcast spiritual knowledge all over the world. That is the necessary. So our request is that you also kindly join with us, kindly try to understand this movement—scientifically, philosophically or with your best of knowledge and judgment—and then try to cooperate with us. That will bring peace and prosperity all over the world.\nAnd the method is very simple, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. If you simply chant these sixteen words and follow the regulative principles—no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication, no gambling—that means you avoid the four pillars of sinful life; and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra—that means associate with Kṛṣṇa, or God, constantly—you become purified. And as soon as you become purified, that means you become free from the material contamination; then you are immediately transferred to the spiritual world.\ntyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma\nnaiti mām eti kaunteya\n[Bg. 4.9]\nyad gatvā na nivartante\ntad dhāma paramaṁ mama\n[Bg. 15.6]\nThese are descriptions. There is a spiritual world. As in this body there is spiritual spark and material body, similarly there are two kinds of creation. This cosmic manifestation, universe, material—this is made of material energy. Similarly, there is another world. The information is there in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nparas tasmāt tu bhāvo 'nyo\n'vyakto 'vyaktāt sanātanaḥ\n[Bg. 8.20]\nSo that spiritual world never annihilates. So we are spirit souls, God is supreme spirit soul, and there is a spiritual world. When you combine together, when we meet God face to face in the spiritual world, then we get our eternal, blissful life of knowledge, sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is for giving chance everyone to come to his original form of life, sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ, and meet God face to face and engage oneself in His service. And the life becomes very blissful, eternal and full of knowledge. So… And the method is very simple: chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, that's all.\nEven a child can take up this bhakti-yoga process of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. There is no need of education or vast knowledge. Simply you agree. You do not lose anything, but if there is a gain, why should you neglect it? That is our request.\nThank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [end]",
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"content": "\n One-hundred-twenty-three, text number 19.\n \"Transcendental Knowledge.\" Text number nineteen. \"One is understood to be in full knowledge whose every act is devoid of desire for sense gratification. He is said by sages to be a worker whose fruitive action is burned up by the fire of perfect knowledge.\"",
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"content": "\n \"One is understood to be in full knowledge whose every act is devoid of desire for sense gratification.\" The opposite is ignorance. Those who are in knowledge of sense gratification, they are devoid of knowledge. Yes. \"He is said by sages to be a worker whose fruitive action is burned up by the fire of perfect knowledge.\"\n\"He is said by sages to be a worker whose fruitive action is burned up by the fire of perfect knowledge.\" This is very common thing. Everyone has to act but if he acts in full knowledge, then that is perfection of activity. Just like in our ordinary life, if we do business, or whatever we do, if we are in full knowledge of the state laws and act accordingly, that is perfection of our activities.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Twenty: \"Abandoning all attachment to the results of his activities, ever satisfied and independent, he performs no fruitive action, although engaged in all kinds of undertakings.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. \"Abandoning all attachment to the results of the activities.\" Everyone is aspiring some result of his activity. So the plain example is, suppose you are working in an office. So you are not concerned with the result. You have to simply do your duty. The result, the ultimate profit or loss of that establishment, is concern for the proprietors or the directors. But your duty is that the post which you are occupying, you must do your work very nicely—that's your duty—without being attached to the result. The result will be enjoyed by the proprietors of that establishment.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Twenty-one: \"Such a man of understanding acts with mind and intelligence perfectly controlled, gives up all sense of proprietorship over his possessions and acts only for the bare necessities of life. Thus working, he is not affected by sinful reaction.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Suppose a man is a manager, a cashier in the bank. He is receiving millions of dollars daily, but he does not claim the proprietorship. He is simply handling millions of dollars, but he knows that \"I am not the proprietor.\"\nSimilarly, in our this material activities we may have the chance of handling millions of dollars. Practically nobody comes here with millions of dollars, neither one goes with millions of dollars. Everyone comes here empty hand. The child comes empty hand and the dead body goes empty hand. So between the birth and death, this small duration of life, we are supposed to possess so many things. That is our false possession. Actually you don't possess.\nJust like so long I am cashier in the bank, I am supposed to deal with millions of dollars; but that is not my money. In this consciousness..., this is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, to understand everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa. If one acts in that way that everything... Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1].\n[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]\nThe Īśopaniṣad says, \"Everything belongs to God,\" but God has given me chance to handle these things. Therefore my knowledge and intelligence will be there if I utilize for serving God. That is my intelligence. As soon as I utilize them for my sense gratification, then I am entrapped. The same example can be given: if the bank cashier thinks, \"Oh, so many millions of dollars at my disposal. Let me something and put in my pocket,\" then he is entrapped.\nOtherwise, you enjoy. You get good salary. You get good comforts and do your work nicely for Kṛṣṇa. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Everything should be considered as Kṛṣṇa's. Not a farthing mine. That is Kṛṣṇa conscious.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n \"He who is satisfied with gain which comes of its own accord, who is free from duality and does not envy, who is steady both in success and failure, is never entangled, although performing actions.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Now if I think that \"I am poor man. Oh, the bank proprietor and directors, they have got so much money...\" The theory of the..., communist theory. They have tried to attack others that \"They have snatched our money.\" Actually one should be satisfied. Just like a bank clerk or a bank cashier should be satisfied with his post and the wages he gets. He should be satisfied. If God pleases, he will be elevated to higher position. That is God's grace. But we should not be disturbed. We should be sati... And thus disturbance can be checked only if we are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nYou'll be surprised, in 1942 there was an artificial famine in India by politicians, and practically they were starving. And one American gentleman, very responsible man, he was present. He said that \"In our country if such starvation would have happened, there would have been revolution.\" But the Vedic culture is so nice that nobody even stole a pin from others' pocket. They starved. Because the culture is they are satisfied: \"Well, God has put me in this condition. Why shall I encroach upon others' property?\" That is Vedic culture. Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1].\n[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]\n\"Everything belongs to God. Whatever He has allotted to me, that is my possession. I can...\" Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā: \"Whatever is allotted to you, be satisfied.\" Mā gṛdhaḥ kasya svid dhanam: \"You do not encroach upon others' property.\"\nIf anyone is satisfied in this way in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, where is the question of stealing? There is no question of stealing. There is no need of law for the thieves. People will become so honest. He will be satisfied.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is all-pervading. Either you take socially, politically, religiously, scientifically, philosophically—any way you take. Just like sandalwood. Sandalwood, you rub it on the stone in any way, the pulp will be flavored. It is not that if you rub the wood on the stone in this way then the pulp will come flavored. No.\nKṛṣṇa consciousness is so nice, if you apply it in any field of activities you will see it is perfect—either you apply in industry or in politics or in sociology or in philosophy or in science. Therefore Bhāgavata says that whatever capacity you may have, either you are a scientist or a lawyer or an engineer or a rich man, a capitalist, whatever you may be, your duty is to utilize your talent for Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That's all. That is perfection.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"A Kṛṣṇa conscious person does not make much endeavor even to maintain his body. He is satisfied with gains which are obtained of their own accord. He neither begs nor borrows, but he labors honestly as far as in his own power and is satisfied with whatever is obtained by his own honest labor. A Kṛṣṇa conscious person is therefore independent in his livelihood. He does not allow anyone's service to hamper his own service to Kṛṣṇa. However, for the service of the Lord He can participate in any kind of action without being disturbed by the duality of the material world.\n\"The duality of the material is felt in terms of heat and cold or misery and happiness. A Kṛṣṇa conscious person is above this duality, because he does not hesitate to act in any way for the satisfaction of Kṛṣṇa. As he does not care for duality, therefore he is steady both in success and in failure. These signs are visible when one is full in transcendental knowledge.\"\nTwenty-three: \"The work of a man who is unattached to the modes of material nature and who is fully situated in transcendental knowledge merges entirely into transcendence.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. \"The work of a man who is unattached to the modes of material nature.\" The modes of material nature are three: goodness, passion and ignorance. Somebody is working in the material world in the quality of goodness. In Vedic culture these divisions are very distinct. Just like brāhmaṇas, sannyāsīs, they are supposed to be working in goodness, because they are simply working for God consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, brāhmaṇas' business.\nThe kṣatriyas, they are working in the modes of passion. They want to possess land, they want to be king, they want to be leader of the citizens, and they see to the protection of the citizens. This is called in the mode of passion. And the third degree is the mercantile community. They are engaged in trades, commerce. In this way, the fourth grade of man is the laborer class. They have no capacity either to become brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya or vaiśya. They have to take shelter of somebody and must be satisfied with the wages he takes from that.\nIn this age, the Vedic literature says, kalau śūdra-sambhavaḥ.\n[In the Age of Kali everyone is born a śūdrā.]\nIn this age practically everyone is a śūdra, laborer class, because everyone is dependent. The brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya and vaiśya, they are not dependent, but laborer class, they are dependent. So because this human civilization at the present moment is so made that everyone is dependent, nobody is self-sufficient. One has to work somewhere for his livelihood.\nSo in this age practically everyone is dependent, or laborer class. Now here it is said that \"the work of a man who is unattached to the modes of material nature.\" Now this division, brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, or the intelligent class, the administrative class, mercantile class and the laborer class—you say in any way—these are material activities. But when you engage yourself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, either you are a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya or vaiśya or śūdra, then you are transcendental immediately.\nJust like in this body there are different parts and section. The head... Head is one section. The arm, another section. The abdomen, another section. The legs, another section. So the leg is considered to be laborer class, carrying me. The hand is working, protecting me. The brain is giving me intelligence. In this way, every part is working for the whole body.\nSimilarly, either you become intelligent class of men or you become administrator or you become mercantile class or laborer, if you engage yourself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness then your position is transcendental. You are no more in the material nature. This is the process of transcendental position.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"To him Brahman, the Supreme, is the offering, Brahman is the oblation and the sacrificial fire, and by Brahman the sacrifice is performed. By performing action in this way, one ultimately attains the Supreme.\"\nPurport: \"A person who is fully absorbed in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is sure to attain the spiritual kingdom through his full contribution to spiritual activities, for the consummation is absolute and the things offered are also of the same spiritual nature. How activities in Kṛṣṇa consciousness can lead one ultimately to the spiritual goal is described here. There are various activities in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. All of them will be described in the following verses. But for the present, just the principle of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is described.\n\"A conditioned soul entangled in material contamination is sure to act in the material atmosphere, and yet he has to get out of such an environment. The process by which the conditioned soul can get out of the material atmosphere is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. For example, a person who is suffering from a disorder of the bowels...\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. It is a very good example. Sometimes... In India, of course, out of our greediness we take too much milk products—khīr and sweet rice and burfī, pranāl[?], so many. So if you take too much milk then there is possibility of [indistinct], disorder of the bowel. Ghee. Therefore when you go the physician he will give you some medicine, and he will ask you to take this medicine with yogurt. Now what is this yogurt? This yogurt is also milk preparation. Now you can doubt, \"How is that? My disorder of bowel is due to taking too much milk preparation. How it will be cured by yogurt?\" So this is the way. The yogurt is a..., although milk preparation, its action is different.\nSimilarly, you will find that these boys and girls acting in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, what they are doing? They have rented a nice house which is called temple. They are cooking there, eating there, dancing and singing. The outsider they will say, \"What is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness? They are living in the nice house and they are eating very nicely, dancing, singing. What is the difference? We also do that. We go to the club and eat very nicely and dance also. What is the difference?\" There is the difference. What is that difference? The one milk preparation causes disorder, another milk preparation cures. This is practical. Another milk preparation cures you.\nIf you go on dancing in the club and eating in the club, then gradually you become diseased materially. And the same dancing and same eating here, you become spiritually advanced. So nothing has to be stopped. Simply it has to be changed by the direction of an expert physician. That's all. As the expert physician gives you yogurt mixed with some medicine—actually, medicine is just to bluff the patient; actually, the yogurt will act—so similarly, we have to do everything.\nBut because it is mixed up with that medicine of Kṛṣṇa consciousness it will cure your material disease. That is the process. Because it is mixed up with some medicine which is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness, therefore your dancing, your eating, your loving affairs—all, whatever you want there is, but it is well-treated. It will not entangle you. It will give more and more enlightenment of spiritual understanding. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n \"This process is generally known as yajña, or activities simply meant for the satisfaction of Viṣṇu, or Kṛṣṇa. Therefore the more the activities of the material world are performed in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or for Viṣṇu only, the more the atmosphere becomes spiritualized by complete absorption. Brahman means spiritual. The Lord is spiritual, and the rays of His transcendental body are called brahma-jyotir, His spiritual effulgence. Everything that exists is situated in that brahma-jyotir. And when the jyoti is covered by the illusion of māyā, or sense gratification, it is called material.\"",
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"content": "\n Now, this is the difference between material and spiritual. Try to understand. Just like in the sunshine there is cloud. That cloudy atmosphere is not very good. But when there is bright sunshine you say, congratulate your friend, \"Oh, today is very nice day.\" But the sunshine is always there. The cloud also is an interaction of the sunshine. The cloud is nothing, but due to excessive heat it absorbs water from the sea or anywhere else, and it becomes gas and it stands in the sunshine. But it does not cover all the sunshine.\nSimilarly, Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the original consciousness. As soon as it is clouded by material consciousness... What is that material consciousness? That \"It is mine. It is for my sense gratification.\" That is material consciousness. And if you keep yourself always intact that everything is for Kṛṣṇa, then there is no cloud. The cloud is material. Actually there is no material existence. Just like cloud appears in the sky, it remains temporary for a few day or few hours and again disappears. We do not know where that cloud has gone. Similarly, material consciousness is the covering of the spirit soul. So as soon as this covering is taken away the bright sunshine is there, the cloud. As soon as the cloud is gone, the bright sunshine is there. Then everything is sunshine, light.\nSimilarly, as soon as this consciousness, material consciousness that everything belongs for my satisfaction, sense gratification... That is material. And if you are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that is spiritual. The things does not change. Simply the consciousness changes. Just like the sunshine does not change; simply the cloud changes. It appears and disappears. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate [Bg. 8.19].\n[Again and again the day comes, and this host of beings is active; and again the night falls, O Pārtha, and they are helplessly dissolved.]\nSo if you keep yourself always in bright sunshine... Just like if you go above the cloud, as you have experience by plane journey that you go above the cloud and there you will find simply sunshine, no more cloud, no more cloud. So just keep yourself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and this cloud of material existence will disappear, or you will be above; even you can see them, that will not affect you. This is the process.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"This material feature can be removed at once by Kṛṣṇa consciousness, wherein the offering for the cause of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the consuming agent of such an offering or contribution, the process of consumption, the contributor and the result of such activities are all combined together Brahman, or the Absolute Truth.\n\"The Absolute Truth covered by māyā is called matter. Matter dovetailed for the cause of the Absolute Truth regains its spiritual quality. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is a process of converting the illusory consciousness into Brahman, or the Supreme. When the mind is fully absorbed in such Kṛṣṇa consciousness it is said to be in samādhi, or trance. Anything done in such transcendental consciousness is called yajña, or sacrifice for the Absolute, and in that condition of spiritual consciousness, the contributor, the contribution, the consumption, the performer or leader of the performance, and the results or ultimate gain, everything becomes one in the Absolute, the Supreme Brahman. That is the explanation of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\"",
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"content": "\n \"Some yogīs perfectly worship the demigods by offering different sacrifices to them, and some of them offer sacrifices in the fire of the Supreme Brahman.\"\nPurport: \"As described above, a person engaged in discharging duties in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is also called a perfect yogī, or a first-class mystic. But there are others also, who perform similar sacrifices in the worship of demigods, and still others who sacrifice to the Supreme Brahman, or the impersonal feature of the Supreme Lord.\n\"So there are different kinds of sacrifices in terms of different categories. Such different categories of sacrifice by different types of performers only superficially demark varieties of sacrifice. Factual sacrifice means to satisfy the Supreme Lord, Viṣṇu, and is also known as yajña.\"",
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"content": "\n Just like a small example: Now you are paying some tax in the waterworks department. So this waterworks department, or the director of the waterworks department, may be considered as a demigod. But the money you sacrifice for payment in the waterworks department, that goes to the government. The waterworks department or the man in charge, director of the waterworks department, does not consume that.\nSimilarly, in the Vedic rituals there are many sacrificial ritualistic ceremony, demigods, but in that sacrifice there is Viṣṇu also. Therefore Viṣṇu is called Yajñeśvara, the master of the sacrifice. The demigods cannot accept the result of the sacrifice. Viṣṇu is there. Of course, we have no experience of these performances. That is a Vedic ritual performance. Actually, the demigods, they cannot accept anything from you. But the sacrificer, he approaches a demigod for quick result for material benefit, and these things will be explained in the Eighth Chapter of the Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo this is the process. Ultimately it goes to the Absolute Truth. So those who are intelligent, they directly makes connection with the Absolute Person, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa; then everything is automatically done.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"All the different varieties of sacrifice can be placed within two primary divisions: sacrifice of worldly possessions and sacrifice in pursuit of transcendental knowledge. Those who are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness sacrifice all material possessions for the satisfaction of the Supreme Lord, while others, who want some temporary material happiness, sacrifice their material possessions to satisfy demigods such as Indra, the sun, etc. And others, who are impersonalists, sacrifice in the sense of merging into the existence of impersonal Brahman.\n\"The demigods are powerful living entities appointed by the Supreme Lord for the maintenance and supervision of all material functions like heating, watering and lighting of the universe. Those who are interested in such supplies of material benefits worship the demigods by various sacrifices according to the Vedic rituals. They are called bahv-īśvara-vādī, or believers in many gods.\"",
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"content": "\n Bahv-īśvara-vādī. Bahv-īśvara-vādī means believing in many gods. Actually, God is one, but His servants, who are known as demigods... So less-intelligent class of men, they accept demigods as God. Just like a less-intelligent class of man takes a police constable, he raises his hand like this, and the car is stopped, even it belong to a great, rich man.\nSo his child may think that \"This constable is very great man,\" you see, \"He is very important man.\" [chuckles] But the father knows he is nothing. Similarly, those who are interested in demigods, they are like children: \"Oh, this constable is very important,\" you see, \"because by his hand my father had to stop my car.\" You see?\nSo the antavat tu phalaṁ teṣām [Bg. 7.23].\n[Men of small intelligence worship the demigods, and their fruits are limited and temporary. Those who worship the demigods go to the planets of the demigods, but My devotees ultimately reach My supreme planet.]\nTherefore in the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find there is a statement, kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānā yajanti anya-devatāḥ [Bg. 7.20]:\n[Those whose minds are distorted by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.]\n\"Those who go to worship the demigods, they have lost their intelligence on account of too much lusty propensity.\" Just like sometimes a person goes to bribe the policeman, constable, because he is illegal. But if you become, I mean to say, true to your state laws, you haven't got to bribe the constable or this officer, that officer. You see?\nSo you be true Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then there will be no disturbance from these demigods. But the less-intelligent class of men, in order to save themself from the disturbance of the demigods—there are many varieties of demigods—they go to this, to that, to this, to that. But an intelligent man... That is also stated, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 7.19]: \"One who is perfectly intelligent, after many, many births of culturing knowledge, he comes to Me and surrenders, 'Yes.' \" Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti.\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\n\"O Kṛṣṇa, you are everything.\" That is the highest intelligence. So Caitanya-caritāmṛta says, kṛṣṇa ye bhaje sei baḍa catura: \"Anyone who is engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is very intelligent man.\" Very intelligent man. Kṛṣṇa ye bhaje sei vara catura. Catura means intelligent. Yes.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Whereas others, who stick to the impersonal feature of the Absolute Truth and regard the forms of the demigods as temporary, sacrifice their individual selves in the supreme fire and thus end their individual existences by merging into the existence of the Supreme. Such impersonalists relinquish their time in philosophical speculation for understanding the transcendental nature of the Supreme. In other words, the fruitive workers sacrifice their material possessions for material enjoyments, whereas the impersonalist sacrifices his material designations with a view to merging into the existence of the Supreme.\n\"For the impersonalist, the fire, altar and the sacrifice is the Supreme Brahman, and the offering is the self being consumed by the fire of Brahman. The Kṛṣṇa conscious person, however, sacrifices everything for the satisfaction of Kṛṣṇa, and as such all his material possessions, as well as his own self, everything, are sacrificed for Kṛṣṇa, as with Arjuna. Thus he is the first-class yogī, for he does not lose his individual existence.\"",
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"content": "\n If we're eternally individual, so how do the impersonalists, upon attaining their goal, merge into the impersonal brahma-jyotir?",
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"content": "\n That is their sign of less intelligence. Therefore we call the impersonalist as less intelligent. Just like the same example: the child is thinking that the constable is very important man. Similarly, the impersonalists are less intelligent in this sense, that what is this brahma-jyotir?\nThe brahma-jyotir is combination of atomic spiritual sparks, just like sunshine is combination of molecular shining particles. This is scientific. Anything you take, either take sunshine or fire or water, you'll find atomic, even earth, they are all atomic, small, very small parts. Similarly, the brahma-jyotir is combination of the atomic spiritual sparks who are individual living entities.\nSo they may merge into that existence of brahma-jyotir, but because every individual living entity has got individual desires, therefore they cannot exist very long in that individual condition..., I mean to say, impersonal condition. That is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam: ye 'nye 'ravindākṣa vimukta-māninas tvayy asta-bhāvād aviśuddha-buddhayaḥ [SB 10.2.32].\n[Someone may say that aside from devotees, who always seek shelter at the Lord's lotus feet, there are those who are not devotees but who have accepted different processes for attaining salvation. What happens to them? In answer to this question, Lord Brahmā and the other demigods said:] O lotus-eyed Lord, although nondevotees who accept severe austerities and penances to achieve the highest position may think themselves liberated, their intelligence is impure. They fall down from their position of imagined superiority because they have no regard for Your lotus feet.\nAny person who is thinking that by merging, or one who has already merged into the brahma-jyotir, he has become liberated, Bhāgavata says that is not intelligent, what to speak of liberation. He says, ye 'nye 'ravindākṣa vimukta-māninaḥ. Vimukta-māninaḥ means he is simply falsely thinking that he is liberated. Māninaḥ. Just like you think yourself, just like so many rascals, he is thinking, \"I am God.\" You see? \"I am God.\"\nSo this is only thinking. Actually they do not know what is God. Otherwise they would not have dared to say that \"I am God.\" They do not know the meaning of \"God.\" You see? Therefore they are less intelligence. They are thinking, \"I am merged into the...\" Just like the rabbit. The rabbit, when he is faced with some enemy, he closes his eyes. He thinks, \"Now I am safe.\" [laughter] [laughs] The rascal animal thinks that he is safe now. \"I cannot see the enemy.\"\nJust like a child. When there is something fearful, the child—it is nature—closes the eyes. I have practical experience. When I was young man I went to the zoo with my little son, and as soon as there was a tiger cage, oh, the child closed the eyes. Yes. He could not bear the vicious sight. This is natural.\nSimilarly, these impersonalist, they are closing their eyes. That's all. Just like voidists, they are also doing that. \"Now I have become free by smoking,\" or by gāñjā eating, drinking, or smoking. You see? These things are simply false imagination. Therefore they are less intelligent. They are not intelligent. Bhāgavata says, ye 'nye 'ravindākṣa vimukta-māninaḥ. They are self-complacent, that \"I have become free, liberated,\" this and that. But actually their intelligence is very contaminated.\nYe 'nye 'ravindākṣa vimukta-māninaḥ. They are simply thinking like that. Māninaḥ. Māninaḥ means actually he is not, but he's thinking. You can think that \"I am the proprietor of all the banks of this Los Angeles city.\" You can think. Who checks you? But are you actually the proprietor of all the banks of this Los Angeles city? Anyone can think, intoxication, like anything. He has got the liberty. But that is not the fact.\nSo ye 'nye 'ravindākṣa vimukta-māninas tvayy asta-bhāvād aviśuddha-buddhayaḥ [SB 10.2.32]. Their intelligence is contaminated, because they have no information of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So long one does not reach to that point, vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19], \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa is everything...\"\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nIt can take some time, but unless you reach to that point, your all intelligence is imperfect. Your knowledge is imperfect. That you must know. Therefore one who takes Kṛṣṇa, he is most intelligent. Tvayy asta-bhāvād aviśuddha-buddhayaḥ, āruhya kṛcchreṇa paraṁ padaṁ tataḥ [SB 10.2.32].\n[Someone may say that aside from devotees, who always seek shelter at the Lord's lotus feet, there are those who are not devotees but who have accepted different processes for attaining salvation. What happens to them? In answer to this question, Lord Brahmā and the other demigods said:] O lotus-eyed Lord, although nondevotees who accept severe austerities and penances to achieve the highest position may think themselves liberated, their intelligence is impure. They fall down from their position of imagined superiority because they have no regard for Your lotus feet.\nJust like these foolish men, they are going very high on sputniks and other machine, but they cannot find out the shelter, and come back. You see? But they are thinking, \"Oh, we are so much advanced in science. We go so high.\" You go high; what is your result? You come back again. They will be puffed up: \"Yes, it will be perfect in so many years, in this way and that way.\" They will never accept defeat. But actually you see they go and come back, that's all.\nSimilarly, these foolish persons who are thinking that \"I shall merge into the brahma-jyotir,\" they are less intelligent, because they cannot exist there. He has got inclination, desires. There is no facility for fulfilling your desires unless you go to Kṛṣṇa. Therefore in order to fulfill the desires he'll come again to this material world. Because he wants activities, pleasure. Ānanda-mayo 'bhyāsāt [Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12].\n[By nature, the Supreme Lord is blissful.]\nThe spirit soul and the Supreme Lord is by nature joyful. Whenever there is question of joyfulness there must be varieties. So there is no variety. So without variety he cannot remain there for very long. He has to come. But because he has no information of the spiritual varieties, he is bound to come back to this material variety. That's all. So therefore their intelligence is less. They are not very high class men. Yes. [end]",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] He's taking [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Oh, I see. And what happened to the case?",
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"content": "\n Their bondsman? The case?",
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"content": "\n Jaya-gopāla.\n I was allowed to preach in court.",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n I preached to the whole court. And I had a lady judge, she liked it. So she suspended my sentencing.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n She suspended the sentence and took the bail[?] and [indistinct] very soon.",
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"content": "\n Oh. So suspended.",
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"content": "\n Oh. All right. Where is that book, Bhagavad-gītā? Oh, you must have the book in your hand, everyone. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Our copies came today.",
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"content": "\n Which copy? Ah...",
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"content": "\n Each of us will have a copy now.",
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"content": "\n Back to Godhead?",
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"content": "\n Bhagavad-gītā.",
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"content": "\n Ah, Bhagavad-gītā. That's all right. So everyone, you must possess a copy.\n[aside:] So, read it, where you stopped last time, Second Chapter.",
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"content": "\n \"For one who has taken his birth, death is certain, and for one who is dead, birth is certain. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament.\" [Bg. 2.27] Purport.\n[For one who has taken his birth, death is certain; and for one who is dead, birth is certain. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament.]",
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"content": "\n Purport. Read on.",
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"content": "\n \"According to logicians, one has to take birth according to one's activities of life. After finishing one term of activities, one has to die to take birth for the next. In this way the cycle of birth and death is revolving, one after the other, without liberation. This cycle of birth and death does not, however, support murder, slaughter and war unnecessarily. But at the same time, violence and war are inevitable factors in human society for keeping law and order.\n\"The Battle of Kurukṣetra, being the will of the Supreme, was an inevitable event, and to fight for the right cause is the duty of a kṣatriya. Why should he be afraid of or aggrieved at the death of his relatives, since he was discharging his proper duty? He did not deserve to break the law, thereby becoming subjected to the reactions of sinful acts, of which he was so afraid.\n\"By ceasing from the discharge of his proper duty, he would not be able to stop the death of his relatives, and he would be degraded on account of his selection of the wrong path of action.\"\nTwenty-eight: \"All created beings are unmanifest in their beginnings, manifest in their interim state and unmanifest again when they are annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?\"\nTwenty-nine...",
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"content": "\n This another theory, that voidism, that before our this manifested life there was void, and after this manifestation is over, still there will be void. Because according to voidism, everything is manifested originally void.\nSo Kṛṣṇa puts forward this argument that before this manifested form of life there was void, and after this manifested life, there will be void, according to the void philosophy. Then where is the cause of lamentation? There is no cause of lamentation. It was void, and it is going to be void. So where is the cause of lamentation?\nBut actually, that is... Originally, it was not void. That is a Bhagavad-gītā and Vaiṣṇava theory. Just like Kṛṣṇa said that \"There was no such time when we did not exist.\" That means not there was... There was no void. There was life. And in future also, there will be life. But accepting the theory of voidism, this manifested body is combination of matter.\nOriginally, void means the matters, elementary matters, were not combined. Just like here is a open land. Now, if you combine some bricks and stones and wood, it will appear a big skyscraper building. And if you dismantle, then again it becomes a vacant land. Similarly, in the beginning it was vacant land, and after finishing this body it will be vacant land. So where is the cause of lamentation? For argument's sake, Kṛṣṇa is putting this reason.\nYes. Go on.",
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"content": "\n \"Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, do not understand him at all.\" [Bg. 2.29]\n[Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all.]",
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"content": "\n Hear about the soul, [for] the general people, it is amazing. Still, in the modern society, which is so proud of scientific advancement, so far soul is concerned, it is amazement. Nobody understands, still. And those who are hearing about the existence of soul, some of us also in amazement. It is a mysterious thing.\nAnd even after hearing... Just like some student. There are many students, they are reading Bhagavad-gītā, which confirms from the very beginning the existence of soul, but still, Bhagavad-gītā they are reading daily, they cannot understand what is soul. Amazement.\nSo about the soul and about God, the Supreme Soul, this is the problem of the material world. The Śrīmad-Bhāgavata says, naiṣāṁ matis tāvad urukramāṅghriṁ spṛśaty anarthāpagamo yad-arthaḥ [SB 7.5.32], niṣkiñcanānām...\n[Unless they smear upon their bodies the dust of the lotus feet of a Vaiṣṇava completely freed from material contamination, persons very much inclined toward materialistic life cannot be attached to the lotus feet of the Lord, who is glorified for His uncommon activities. Only by becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious and taking shelter at the lotus feet of the Lord in this way can one be freed from material contamination.]\nNiṣkiñcanānām... What is that? Mahīyasāṁ pāda-rajo-'bhiṣekaṁ niṣkiñcanānāṁ na vṛṇīta yāvat. This is very important verse. It says that urukramāṅghrim. Urukramāṅghrim is the name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Uru, uru means big, and krama means activity: one whose activities are very great; he is..., whose activities are very great. Just try to understand.\nNow see, the big planet, biggest planets in the universe, the sun globe, is floating in the corner of the sky. So whose activities these are? Who has caused this floating? This is called urukrama, big activity. Not that because you have some way or other balanced some millions of dollars in the bank and you have become Rockefeller or Ford, that does not mean you are very big worker. Here is the big worker. Millions of planets are floating in the air by His arrangement. He is called Urukrama, big worker.\nSo Bhāgavata says, naiṣāṁ matis tāvad urukramāṅghrim [SB 7.5.32]. If anyone understands urukramāṅghri, or the Supreme Lord, for him, to understand the existence of soul is not very difficult. Just like one who has seen the sun globe, for him to understand what is sunshine is not very difficult. But one who is perpetually in the darkness, neither has seen the sunshine nor has seen the sun globe, for him, what is light, what is sun, it is very difficult to understand.\nSo urukramāṅghrim, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, cannot be understood. And if it is understood, spṛśaty anarthāpagamo yad-arthaḥ. If one understands what is urukramāṅghrim, God the great, then immediately all his ignorance, illusion, is over. Anartha-upaśama [SB 1.7.6]. \n[The material miseries of the living entity, which are superfluous to him, can be directly mitigated by the linking process of devotional service. But the mass of people do not know this, and therefore the learned Vyāsadeva compiled this Vedic literature, which is in relation to the Supreme Truth.]\nAnartha means just like we are unnecessarily entangled in these material affairs. So if one understands the urukramāṅghrim, God, then immediately his entanglement in these unnecessary activities of the material world becomes stopped.\nBut how it is possible? Mahīyasāṁ pāda-rajo-'bhiṣekaṁ niṣkiñcanānāṁ na vṛṇīta yāvat. Mahīyasāṁ niṣkiñcanānām. Niṣkiñcana means a great personality who has become completely freed from all material consciousness. He is called mahīyasām. He is also great, the great soul.\nSo unless one takes shelter of the lotus feet or the dust of the lotus feet of a great personality who has no material affection, nobody can understand what is God. Naiṣāṁ matis tāvad urukramāṅghriṁ spṛśaty anarthāpagamo yad-arthaḥ [SB 7.5.32].\n[Unless they smear upon their bodies the dust of the lotus feet of a Vaiṣṇava completely freed from material contamination, persons very much inclined toward materialistic life cannot be attached to the lotus feet of the Lord, who is glorified for His uncommon activities. Only by becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious and taking shelter at the lotus feet of the Lord in this way can one be freed from material contamination.]\nAs soon as one understands the spirit soul and the Supreme Soul... That can be understood only when one is taken shelter of a great personality freed from material contamination. This is the version of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Otherwise, it is amazement. To understand about soul is amazement. To understand about God is amazement.\nSo Vedic injunction is therefore that if you are at all serious to understand tad vijñānam, that science, transcendental science... Tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12].\n[To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.]\nThe Veda says, \"Then you must find out a bona fide spiritual master,\" tad vijñānārtham, \"if you are seriously interested.\"\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Thirty: \"O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the body is eternal and can never be slain. Therefore you need not grieve for any creature.\"",
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"content": "\n Now, after putting forward all definitions and arguments from different angles of vision, of different philosophers, thesis, now Kṛṣṇa concludes, \"My dear Arjuna, take it for certain that the soul within is eternal.\"\nSo because we are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, even if we do not understand what is the constitutional position of the soul, here, because Kṛṣṇa says, we should accept it. This is called paramparā. Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam [Bg. 4.2], disciplic succession.\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\nWhat does He say? Yes. The same verse repeat.",
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"content": "\n Thirty?",
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"content": "\n \"O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the body...\"",
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"content": "\n \"He who dwells in the body.\" He began this instruction that deha, dehī—the body and the proprietor of the body, or the resident of the body. Just like this hall, and we are a resident of this hall. We are different. We are not this hall. This lecture room, we are within this lecture room, but that does not mean that we are or I am or you are this lecture room.\nSimilarly, the soul dwells in this body. The body is changing but the soul is not changing. That was the beginning of conversation with Arjuna after his surrendering unto Kṛṣṇa as disciple. And again He concludes in that way, that the soul... \"Take it from Me, because you have accepted Me as your spiritual master.\"\nThis is the significance. If you accept somebody as spiritual master, you have to accept whatever he says. Otherwise there is no need. But if you cannot understand, you can inquire sincerely. That is not barred. But you have to accept.\nSo Kṛṣṇa says, conclusion, what is that? That \"Within this body...\" What is that?",
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"content": "\n \"He who dwells in the body is eternal...\"",
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"content": "\n \"He who dwells within this body is eternal.\" Then?",
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"content": "\n \"...and can never be slain.\"",
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"content": "\n \"And can never be slain.\" Because it is already described that soul cannot be burned, soul cannot be moistened, soul cannot be dried up, soul cannot be killed, soul cannot be cut into pieces. So many things. Just opposite of matter. Any material thing you take, even stone, iron, it can be burned, it can be cut into pieces, it can dry up and so many things, all applicable to the matter. But so far the spirit soul is concerned, it is just the opposite.\nTherefore the conclusion is there, na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg. 2.20].\n[For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.]\nEven after this body is annihilated, the soul remains eternal. Just like if somebody comes and drives us out of this room, that does not mean that I am finished. I shall go and take shelter of another room. Similarly, when the soul, when the body is killed or annihilated by nature or by force, the soul takes shelter of another body. That is the conclusion.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-one: \"Considering your specific duty as a kṣatriya you should know that there is no better engagement for you than fighting on religious principles, and so there is no need for hesitation.\"",
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"content": "\n So here fighting is a matter of duty. That is the kṣatriya spirit. Fighting is not killing. Because people have no idea what is the soul, therefore they think that stopping war will help us in peaceful condition of the society. There are so many troubles so long this body is there. War is one of the item. Even war is stopped, there is no question that people will live forever. No. That is not the law of nature. Duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam [Bg. 8.15].\n[After attaining Me, the great souls, who are yogīs in devotion, never return to this temporary world, which is full of miseries, because they have attained the highest perfection.]\nThis life, the problem is how to stop our contact with this material body That is the problem. Not that these general people, they are thinking, \"If war..., there is no war, then we shall be very happy.\" How you'll stop your war with māyā? Māyā has declared war with you, or you have declared war with māyā. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14].\n[This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.]\nThe māyā, the material nature, is enforcing, \"Why you are closing this door?\" \"Oh, because it is very cold outside.\" Who is forcing? Immediately there will be cold, immediately there will be fog, immediately there will be excessive heat, immediately there may be earthquake. How you can stop it? So they simply think... Just like innocent child, they are concerned with the immediate problem. But a sane man is concerned with the ultimate problem.\nSo our ultimate problem is not this war. The ultimate problem is repetition of birth and death. That is ultimate problem, how to stop this. That is the problem. So Kṛṣṇa says that \"This is useless lamentation, that you do not wish to fight. It is a concluded fact that even your grandfather or relatives die, they will continue as soul. You have to execute your duty. You cannot deviate from your duty.\"\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-two: \"O Pārtha, happy are the kṣatriyas to whom such fighting opportunities come unsought, opening for them the doors of the heavenly planets.\"\nThirty-three...",
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"content": "\n Now why the kṣatriyas... It is said in the śāstra if a kṣatriya dies in the fight, then he is promoted to the heavenly kingdom to take birth, because he is fighting for the right cause so he is promoted. As in this world also, if you fight for some right cause, you are rewarded. Even after your death, your memory is commemorated. Just like in your country so many brave soldiers, leaders, they have died, but you have honored them by keeping their statues because they fought and died for right cause, whatever we think, right or wrong.\nSo the kṣatriyas—this is the Vedic injunction—who dies for the right cause, he is promoted to the heavenly planet. Now Kṛṣṇa says, \"Now it is a great opportunity for you. Suppose either you or your grandfather, the opposite party, die in this fight, so your promotion to heavenly planet is sure. And if you gain, then you get the kingdom. Both ways it is profitable for you.\"\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-three: \"If, however, you do not fight this religious war, then you will certainly incur sin for neglecting your duties and thus lose your reputation as a fighter.\"",
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"content": "\n \"And on the other hand, if you don't fight, then... You are known as a great warrior, a great soldier. If you go away, people will say against your reputation: 'Oh, Arjuna has become a coward. He has fled away from the fighting.' So it is better to die than to have bad reputation.\" That is another argument. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-four: \"People will always speak of your infamy, and for one who has been honored, dishonor is worse than death.\"",
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"content": "\n \"Now, you are so much honored as Arjuna the great fighter, Dhanañjaya, and if you leave, you go away from this fighting and leave, and people will say, 'Oh, Arjuna has become coward. He did not fight,' then what is the use of your living in such a way? Better die. Fight and die. That is good for you.\" Yes.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-five: \"The great generals who have highly esteemed your name and fame will think that you have left the battlefield out of fear only, and thus they will consider you a coward.\"\nThirty-six: \"Your enemies will...\"",
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"content": "\n A kṣatriya... It is the custom of the kṣatriya that if they are wounded on the back side, he is considered a coward, but if he is wounded on the chest, he is accepted as real kṣatriya. That means he has fought face to face. That is the injunction of military art in Vedic injunction.",
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"content": "\n \"Your enemies will describe you in many unkind words and scorn your ability. What could be more painful for you?\"\nThirty-seven: \"O son of Kuntī, either you will be killed on the battlefield and attain the heavenly planets or you will conquer and enjoy the earthly kingdom. Therefore get up and fight with determination.\"\nThirty-eight: \"Do thou fight for the sake of fighting, without considering happiness or distress, loss or gain.\"",
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"content": "\n This is duty. One has to execute duty without any consideration of loss and gain. That is duty, observing duty. Just see. \"You are kṣatriya. There is necessity of this fighting. So you should not consider whether you are gaining or losing. It is your duty to fight.\"\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"And by so doing you shall never incur sin.\" Purport...",
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"content": "\n Yes. If you execute your duty nicely, there is no question of sin. To execute duty is piety. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"Lord Kṛṣṇa now directly says that Arjuna should fight for the sake of fighting, because Kṛṣṇa desires the battle. There is no consideration of happiness or distress, profit or gain.\"",
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"content": "\n This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa says... Actually this happened. This is the Kṛṣṇa consciousness. One should not think of personal loss or gain. \"Kṛṣṇa desires it, so I have to do it,\" that's all. There is no personal consideration. That is real Kṛṣṇa consciousness. \"Kṛṣṇa, You are asking me to do this. I do not like to do this. You give me some other work,\" that is not Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nThere is no, I mean to say, yes or no. As Kṛṣṇa says. What Kṛṣṇa says? Kṛṣṇa says the essence of Bhagavad-gītā that \"A person who preaches this sublime message of Bhagavad-gītā, he is My dearmost friend in the human society.\" This is the open order of Kṛṣṇa.\nLord Caitanya says,\nāmāra ājñāya guru hañā tāra' ei deśa\nyāre dekha tāre kaha 'kṛṣṇa'-upadeśa\n[Cc. Madhya 7.128]\n[”Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa as they are given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land.”]\n\"Take My order and you become a spiritual master.\" How? \"Simply speak Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that's all. Simply speak on Kṛṣṇa's message, kṛṣṇa-kathā.\" There are two kinds of kṛṣṇa-kathās. One is the Bhagavad-gītā, and the other is Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nSo this is the propagation of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We have to abide by the superior orders without consideration of our personal gain or loss. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There is no question of personal gain or loss.\nGo on reading.",
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"content": "\n \"...victory or defeat in the activities of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That everything should be performed for the sake of Kṛṣṇa is transcendental consciousness, so there is no reaction from material activities.\"",
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"content": "\n And if you do that, then there is no reaction. Yajñārthāt karmaṇo 'nyatra loko yam [Bg. 3.9].\n[Work done as a sacrifice for Viṣṇu has to be performed; otherwise work causes bondage in this material world. Therefore, O son of Kuntī, perform your prescribed duties for His satisfaction, and in that way you will always remain free from bondage.]\nAnd if you do on your account, there will be reaction. Either you do good work or bad work, there will be reaction. If you do good work, you'll get good result, and if you do bad work, you will get bad result. That's all right. But within this material world... Suppose if you do pious activities. So what is the result of pious activities?\nAccording to śāstra, the effect of pious activity is that you can get birth in a very respectable, aristocratic family; you can get very nice wealthy position; you can become very beautiful; and you can become very learned. These are the four principles of pious activities, according to śāstra. And if you do just the opposite, you take your birth in abominable family or in lower, degraded animal species of life, no education, no beauty, no knowledge. There are so many things. So if you have to believe śāstra, these are the effects of bad and good works.\nNow for a person who is in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is not concerned with aristocratic family or abominable family. He wants to stop birth. So suppose one gets birth in aristocratic family or very nice family, what is the gain there? You have to live ten months within the womb of your mother in suffocated condition, either you take your birth in aristocratic family or in abominable family, either in human mother's womb or animal mother's womb. That does not make any difference.\nSo Kṛṣṇa conscious person is neither interested in pious activities or impious activities, but one who is in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, all activities are pious, transcendental, automatically. He hasn't got to try separately. Yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā [SB 5.18.12].\n[All the demigods and their exalted qualities, such as religion, knowledge and renunciation, become manifest in the body of one who has developed unalloyed devotion for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vāsudeva. On the other hand, a person devoid of devotional service and engaged in material activities has no good qualities. Even if he is adept at the practice of mystic yoga or the honest endeavor of maintaining his family and relatives, he must be driven by his own mental speculations and must engage in the service of the Lord's external energy. How can there be any good qualities in such a man?]\nAnyone. Take for example nonviolence. Nonviolence is good quality. Now here, you see Kṛṣṇa and Arjuna. Arjuna is a devotee of Kṛṣṇa. Automatically he's trying to be nonviolent. \"Why should I fight?\" This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Because he is devotee of Kṛṣṇa, nonviolence is already his quality. People are starting vegetarian society to become vegetarian, a very, I mean to say, uplifted society.\nBut the persons who are in Kṛṣṇa conscious, they are already vegetarian. That means the people in the ordinary status, they are trying to acquire some good qualities, but in Kṛṣṇa conscious person you will find all the good qualities automatically. That is the difference.\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness..., Kṛṣṇa conscious person is not interested that this is good work or this is bad work. He is interested with Kṛṣṇa—because his activities in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is all transcendental, better than good, śuddha-sattva, pure goodness.\nIn the material world, the goodness, the quality of goodness is sometimes tinged with passion and ignorance. But in pure goodness, which is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, there is no tinge of passion or ignorance. Automatically everything is good. Yes.",
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"content": "\n \"Anyone who acts for his sense gratification, either in goodness or in passion, is liable to the reaction, good or bad.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is explained. Yes.",
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"content": "\n \"Anyone who has completely surrendered himself to the activities of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is no longer obliged to anyone, nor is he a debtor to anyone, as we are in the ordinary course of activities. It is said, 'Anyone who has completely surrendered unto Kṛṣṇa, Mukunda, giving up all other duties, is no longer a debtor, nor is he obliged to anyone, not the demigods, nor the sages, nor the people in general, nor kinsmen, nor humanity, nor forefathers.' That is the indirect hint given by Kṛṣṇa to Arjuna in this verse, and the matter will be more clearly explained in the following verses.\"",
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"content": "\n That's all. So? There is a verse in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, devarṣi-bhūtāpta-nṛṇāṁ pitṝṇāṁ...\ndevarṣi-bhūtāpta-nṛṇāṁ pitṝṇāṁ\nna nāyam ṛṇī kiṅkaro ca rājan\nsarvātmanā yaḥ śaraṇaṁ śaraṇyaṁ\ngato mukundaṁ parihṛtya kartam\n[SB 11.5.41]\n[O King, one who has given up all material duties and has taken full shelter of the lotus feet of Mukunda, who offers shelter to all, is not indebted to the demigods, great sages, ordinary living beings, relatives, friends, mankind or even one's forefathers who have passed away. Since all such classes of living entities are part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, one who has surrendered to the Lord's service has no need to serve such persons separately.]\nThe meaning of this verse is that anyone who is born in the human society, civilized society, he is indebted immediately. Just like child is born in a family, so according to Vedic injunction, he immediately becomes indebted to so many items. What is that? He becomes indebted immediately to the different demigods—sun, moon, Indra, Candra, so many.\nBecause we are receiving light from the sun, from the moon, so we are indebted. People do not care for it, because they have no knowledge. Therefore in the Vedas, the sacrifice is recommended, to perform respective duties to become discharged from the indebtedness.\nSo you are indebted to the demigods, indebted to the sages, just like Vyāsadeva. Vyāsadeva, he has given us so many Vedic literatures. So we are taking advantage. So deva, ṛṣi, bhūta, ordinary living entities, even cats and dogs. But we, instead of being indebted, we do something else. Just like we are drinking milk, so we are indebted to the cows.\nSo instead of repaying the indebtedness, we are killing them. So in this way we are complicated in so many ways. Devarṣi-bhūtāpta-nṛṇāṁ pitṝṇām [SB 11.5.41]. Pitṝṇām means in the family in which you are born. You are indebted because you are inheriting property, you are inheriting the mother's affection, father's affection. So you are indebted. People should consider. That is civilization.\nSo... But anyone who has taken shelter of Mukunda—Mukunda is Kṛṣṇa—he has no more any indebtedness. He becomes free. All indebtedness, charge is taken by Kṛṣṇa, and He will square up the account. There is no doubt about it. He says that ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi [Bg. 18.66].\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\nYes.\nAll right. So any question? Yes?",
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"content": "\n I understand that it is an offense to wear red or blue in the Kṛṣṇa temple. Why is this true?",
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"content": "\n What is that?",
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"content": "\n She says that it is an offense to wear red or blue in the temple.",
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"content": "\n Blue?",
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"content": "\n Red or blue. She wants to know why this is.",
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"content": "\n I do not follow.",
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"content": "\n Why is it an offense to wear red or blue clothing in the Kṛṣṇa temple? That's what she thinks.",
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"content": "\n Oh. [laughs] Hmm. Because it is red and blue. Is that all right?",
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"content": "\n Because the temple is red and blue?",
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"content": "\n You see, you have to accept the Vedic injunction as it is. There is some meaning which may not be explained immediately, but because it is so enjoined, we have to accept it. Just like the conchshell. The conchshell is the bone of an animal. Now, in the Vedas it is said that if you touch the bone of an animal or human being, you have to take bath immediately to purify yourself.\nNow, this conchshell is also a bone of an animal. Now, it is kept in the Deities' room. Now if you say, \"Oh, the bone of an animal is impure. How it is that it is kept in the Deities' room?\" So actually it is being done. Why it is being done? Because it is injunction of the Vedas.\nSimilarly, all such injunctions we have to accept. But there is meaning. There is meaning, and that may not be understood immediately. That doesn't matter. So if, instead of red garment, if you take this saffron, what is harm to you? So you should accept the injunction.",
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"content": "\n I am yet not so clear to understand why it is so important to Arjuna, or that Kṛṣṇa should say to Arjuna that it is so important, the reputation. Because in Arjuna's own heart he knows that he is being kind, or that he is in confusion because of his kindness. Does this make a difference, the opinion that one's fellow kṣatriya would have of him?",
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"content": "\n Arjuna was reputed as a great warrior. So he should remain a great warrior. A warrior's business is not to stop fighting on the plea of becoming kind. If you have gone to the war field and if you practice nonviolence there, this is useless. Why should you go?\nThere is a Bengali proverb that naste bose guṇṭhanam[?], that... In India, the girls, they cover their head. That is the system of married girl's shyness. So it is said that one girl is on the stage for dancing. Now while she is to dance, she's covering the head. What is the use of covering the head? You have come to dance, you dance. Similarly, in the war field, you have gone there to fight. Where is the question of becoming nonviolent?\nSo things should be done according to the time and atmosphere. In the war field, there is no question of nonviolence. That is, the war is arranged for committing violence. Where is the question of preaching there nonviolence?",
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"content": "\n I don't know how exactly to word this. It seems like... I didn't quite understand the explanation, but it seems that although the battlefield was arranged for this war, there was almost a test for his principles and for him to renounce his place in the kṣatriya class. This is where I get confused in the Gītā. It seems like this is a very noble thing for him to renounce his place in the caste. I'm not clear here.",
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"content": "\n Renounce what?",
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"content": "\n To renounce his place as a warrior and to go off into the woods and be a mendicant or whatever he wanted to do.",
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"content": "\n Who said?",
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"content": "\n Arjuna.",
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"content": "\n So that is his cowardice. That is being condemned by Kṛṣṇa, that \"It is not your business to give up fighting and go away from the war field and go to the forest for meditation. It is not your business.\"",
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"content": "\n How did that war differ from other wars?",
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"content": "\n It is... Sometimes knife is pierced in your body by a surgeon, and in another occasion, another man pierces a knife to stab you. Do you think both knife piercing is the same?",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n Similarly.",
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"content": "\n But a man who charges at you on a horse with a lance or something in a war, this...",
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"content": "\n No, first of all try to understand this, that piercing the knife in the body is not always bad. Similarly, war or fighting is not always bad, provided it is done for right cause. That should be understood. So when the director is Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself, is directing, so there is no cause of stopping. He has His plan, He knows. We cannot judge. So He's the Supreme. So that war is necessary because it is desired by the Supreme Lord.\nTo maintain the laws of the world, as to maintain the laws and order of a state, there is violence department, the police department, the military department. Why? The government can stop it: \"Oh, this is unnecessary expenditure.\" No. That is necessity for maintenance of the state. Similarly, war is sometimes necessary for maintenance of the order of the world.\nBut people have misused. That is a different thing. But here, in this battlefield of Kurukṣetra, there is no question of misuse. Because it is under the direction of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, there is no such question of misusing. War is necessary, but that does not mean it should be misused.\nThere are so many instances. Just like sex life is necessary for generating, for progeny. But that is being misused for sense gratification. That is another thing. In Bhagavad-gītā it is said that \"sex life in religious principle.\" Religious principle means, according to Vedic injunction, putra te kriyate bhāryā, putra piṇḍa prayojanam. There is necessity of a bona fide son in the family, and to beget a bona fide son, there is necessity of accepting wife.\nSo acceptance of such wife and sex life in that connection is not abominable. But to keep some friend and enjoy sex life for sense gratification, that is abominable. But the function is the same. Somebody may say, \"Oh, this is also sex life, that is also sex life.\"\nBut there is much difference. Similarly, apparently a thing may appear to be the same, but it has got great significance. That is to be judged by higher authorities. That higher authority, supreme authority, is there, Kṛṣṇa Himself.",
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"content": "\n There are six things, such as anger, lust, false pride, envy. What are the other two? I've heard...",
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"content": "\n Illusion and enviousness.",
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"content": "\nKāma, krodha; lust, lust, anger. Lust is also. Kāma krodha lobha moha mātsarya and mada. Mada means illusion. Mātsarya. First thing is kāma—lust; second krodha—anger; third—greediness. Kāma krodha lobha moha—illusion; mada—madness. Kāma, krodha, lobha, moha, mada..., mātsarya—enviousness. These are six.\nHmm. So, anything more?",
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"content": "\n What is meant by madness?",
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"content": "\n Just as don't you see all these people of the world, they are mad? What they are doing? They whole day the cars going this side, that side. What is the aim of life? They're mad. Simply wasting petroleum, that's all. What they're doing? Huh? Suppose a cat and dog goes this side and that side, \"yow, yow, yow, yow, yow,\" and he goes some motorcars. What is the difference? There is no difference, because the aim of the life is the same. Therefore they are mad.\nThat is explained: nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma yad indriya-prītaya āpṛṇoti [SB 5.5.4]. \n[When a person considers sense gratification the aim of life, he certainly becomes mad after materialistic living and engages in all kinds of sinful activity. He does not know that due to his past misdeeds he has already received a body which, although temporary, is the cause of his misery. Actually the living entity should not have taken on a material body, but he has been awarded the material body for sense gratification. Therefore I think it not befitting an intelligent man to involve himself again in the activities of sense gratification by which he perpetually gets material bodies one after another.]\nNūnaṁ pramattaḥ. Pramattaḥ means mad. Prakṛṣṭa rūpeṇa mata, sufficiently mad. And why? Kurute vikarma. They're acting which they should not act. They're acting in a way in which they should not have done. So what is the aim of their acting? Indriya-prītaya, simply for sense gratification. That's all.\nSo Ṛṣabhadeva says, na sādhu manye, \"This is not good.\" Na sādhu manye yato ātmano 'yam asann api kleśada āsa dehaḥ [SB 5.5.4]. These madmen do not know that this is the cause of getting this miserable material body. The sufferings of humanity is due to this material body, and the cause is vikarma, acting for sense gratification.\nSo this life is meant for acting for liberation, but they are acting for sense gratification. Therefore they are mad. They do not know the aim of life. Life after life, they are working. The cat's life, the dog's life, the horse life, the man's life or even demigod's life, simply for sense gratification. And so long he will continue these activities of sense gratification, he will have to accept some sort of material body in the 8,400,000's of species, either as demigod or as dog. So this is going on.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, ei rūpe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān jīva [Cc. \nMadhya\n 19.151].\n[”According to their karma, all living entities are wandering throughout the entire universe. Some of them are being elevated to the upper planetary systems, and some are going down into the lower planetary systems. Out of many millions of wandering living entities, one who is very fortunate gets an opportunity to associate with a bona fide spiritual master by the grace of Kṛṣṇa. By the mercy of both Kṛṣṇa and the spiritual master, such a person receives the seed of the creeper of devotional service.]\nThey are encircling, or circumambulating, in this cycle of birth and death. Out of many, many millions of such persons, if one is fortunate, he comes in contact with Kṛṣṇa's representative, and by which he becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious, and his life becomes sublime. So this is madness. Simply for sense gratification. They have no other business. This is madness. What do you think? This is not madness?",
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"content": "\n We see it every day.",
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"content": "\n Yes. There is no difficulty to find out a madman. Any man you find out, he's a madman. And that is medical version also. That is medical version. In India, there was a case. A man was murdered, and the criminal lawyer pleaded that he was in madness. So the expert..., the medical practitioner was invited, and he was asked to examine whether this man is in madness.\nSo he said that \"So far my experience goes, I have studied, every man is a madman, more or less.\" Just see. So every man in the material concept of life is a madman, because he does not know his identification. Therefore he's a madman.\nPiśācī pāile yena mati-cchana haya [Prema-vivarta].\n[When a living entity is conditioned by material nature, he is exactly like a person haunted by a ghost.]\nJust like a ghostly-haunted man. A father is standing before him and he's calling the father by ill names, because he's ghostly-haunted. Similarly, a living entity who is entrapped by this material energy, illusion, he's a madman. And the whole treatment is to get out of this disease of madness, misidentification, misconception of life. So it is not difficult to find out a madman. Any man is a madman.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? What is the position of Lord Śiva?",
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"content": "\n Lord Śiva is a demigod, but he is higher than all other demigods. He's higher than Lord Brahmā also. But he's not the Supreme Lord. Just like there are different gradations. That is not difficult to understand. In society also, there are different gradations.\nSimilarly, the living entities, there are different gradations. So all the living entities, they are..., some of them are situated in higher planets, some of them are situated in lower planets, some of them are situated in high-grade life, in low-grade life.\nSo the demigods are also, they are living entities, but they are enjoying better standard of life due to their acts of piety. But Lord Śiva is not amongst the living entities. He's above the living entities, but he is counted as one of the demigods. But his position is better than Lord Brahmā even. Brahmā is to be the highest living entity within the universe, and Lord Śiva's position is higher than Lord Brahmā.",
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"content": "\n Does Lord Śiva also have a consort, like, a potency?",
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"content": "\n Does Lord Śiva have a wife, like, a consort?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Pārvatī.",
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"content": "\n Pārvatī?",
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"content": "\n Satī. Everyone has got wife. Yes. Śakti.",
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"content": "\n Is Lord Śiva a devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Everyone is devotee. Only the madmen, they are not devotees.",
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"content": "\n Any sane man is devotee of... Sanity means become devotee. That is sanity. And one who is not devotee is insane, insanity. So how you can expect that Lord Śiva is not devotee? He's not insane. We are..., the material, the ordinary living entities, in the lower grades of life, they are all insane. What is that? Yes?",
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"content": "\n Lord Śiva's relationship with Durgā—does he have a relationship with Durgā?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Durgā is the material energy. So Lord Śiva is directly connected with the material energy. Therefore he's less than Lord Viṣṇu. Viṣṇu is not directly related with the material energy. The example is given in the Brahma-saṁhitā, just like milk, as soon as in touch with something sour, it becomes yogurt.\nThe yogurt is nothing but milk, but in connection with some sour material, it is yogurt. So yogurt is milk, but it is not milk also. Your child requires milk. You cannot give yogurt. Nobody can argue, \"Oh, yogurt is milk preparation, why not give?\" No. It will be not beneficial for him.\nSo similarly, if you want release from this material world, you have to take to Viṣṇu, no other demigod. If you want strength, then you have to drink milk, not yogurt. Yogurt, at times you can eat for some taste or some particular purpose. The milk is general drinking. Just take the statistics, how many bottles of milk are sold in the store and how many bottles of yogurt is sold.\nThe yogurt and milk is the same thing. Why they'll demand milk and not the yogurt? Is that right? Yes. But nobody can put argument, \"Oh, why do you take milk? Take the yogurt.\" No.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Is it all right that Lord Śiva's picture is in the new calendar that's come out?",
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"content": "\n Lord Śiva is devotee. Why not? Hare Kṛṣṇa. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances]\n[pause] [Prabhupāda chants japa as devotees prepare for kīrtana]\nSo your case is dismissed?",
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"content": "\n [chuckles] Ah, that money is returned?",
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"content": "\n[Poor audio]\n[chants Govindam prayers, with devotees responding]\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\nlakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.29]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\nveṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣam-\nbarhāvataṁsam asitāmbuda-sundarāṅgam\nkandarpa-koṭi-kamanīya-viśeṣa-śobhaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.30]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is adept in playing on His flute, with blooming eyes like lotus petals with head decked with peacock's feather, with the figure of beauty tinged with the hue of blue clouds, and His unique loveliness charming millions of Cupids.]\nadvaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam\nādyaṁ purāṇa-puruṣaṁ nava-yauvanaṁ ca\nvedeṣu durlabham adurlabham ātma-bhaktau\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.33]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is inaccessible to the \nVedas,\n but obtainable by pure unalloyed devotion of the soul, who is without a second, who is not subject to decay, is without a beginning, whose form is endless, who is the beginning, and the eternal \npuruṣa;\n yet He is a person possessing the beauty of blooming youth.]\nThank you very much.\n[break]\n...manye tad-arpita-mano vacanehitārtha-\nprāṇaṁ punāti sa kulaṁ na tu bhūri-mānaḥ\n[SB 7.9.10]\n[If a brāhmaṇa has all twelve of the brahminical qualifications [as they are stated in the book called Sanat-sujāta] but is not a devotee and is averse to the lotus feet of the Lord, he is certainly lower than a devotee who is a dog-eater but who has dedicated everything—mind, words, activities, wealth and life—to the Supreme Lord. Such a devotee is better than such a brāhmaṇa because the devotee can purify his whole family, whereas the so-called brāhmaṇa in a position of false prestige cannot purify even himself.]\nSo simply by becoming proud that \"I have got so much material acquisition,\" nobody can compete with Kṛṣṇa. That is not possible. Anor aṇīyān mahato mahīyan [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 1.2.20].\n[Both the Supersoul and the atomic soul are situated in the same heart of the living being.]\nKṛṣṇa, if you compare Him, then you'll find He's greater than the greatest. Just like generally, transcendentalist, they have got idea of Brahman. What is that Brahman? Bṛhatvāt bṛhaṇatvāt iti brahma. Bṛhat means the great. God is great. Brahman, the great. Nobody can be greater. Bṛhatvāt bṛhaṇatvāt. And Brahman can expand to unlimited extent. Just like sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma [Chāndogya Upaniṣad 1.1].\n[Everything, both matter and spirit, is non-different from the Supreme Personality of Godhead who is the Supreme Brahman.]\nYou see the expansion of Brahma. Parasya brahmaṇaḥ śaktir [Viṣṇu Purāṇa 1.22.53].\n[Just as the illumination of a fire, which is situated in one place, is spread all over, the energies of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Para-brahman, are spread all over this universe.]\nWhatever we are seeing, the manifestation, expansion, this is Brahman. You can have little idea of the sky, but the sky which you are seeing, it is very little fraction, fragment, of the whole sky, Brahman sky.\nSo Brahman is so great, and Brahman can expand. Bṛhatvāt. That which is greater than the greatest, and that which can expand unlimited, that is called Brahman. But in the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find Kṛṣṇa says, brahmaṇo 'haṁ pratiṣṭha [Bg. 14.27],\n[And I am the basis of the impersonal Brahman, which is the constitutional position of ultimate happiness, and which is immortal, imperishable and eternal.]\nThat \"I am the resort of Brahman. Brahman is resting upon Me.\" So who is greater? Kṛṣṇa or Brahman? You'll find in the Bhagavad-gītā, brahmaṇo 'haṁ pratiṣṭha.\nJust like the sunshine. The sunshine is distributed all over the universe. According to Vedic knowledge, the sunshine is distributing its shining all over the universe, and the stars or the moons, they're glittering, being reflected by the sun. Just like in the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find, nakṣatrāṇām aham śaśi [Bg. 10.21].\n[Of the Ādityas I am Viṣṇu, of lights I am the radiant sun, I am Marīci of the Maruts, and among the stars I am the moon.]\nKṛṣṇa says that \"Out of the many stars, I am the moon.\" That means moons and the stars are on the same category. As the moon is a reflection of the sun, similarly the stars are also a reflection of the sun.\nSo this shining you can see, it is expanded all over the universe. And whoever is coming in front of that shining, sunshine, it is glittering. Just like you can see sometimes an aeroplane running very high on the sky. As soon as there is reflection of the sunshine, it glitters. So everything in touch with sunshine, it glitters.\nSo now, the sunshine is expanding all over the universe, but where is the rest of the sunshine? The sun planet. The sun planet, you can see that it is lying in one corner of the sky. But because the sun planet is lying in one corner of the sky, does it mean that sunshine is greater than the sun? No.\nSimilarly, Brahman may be very great. There is no question about it. But Brahman effulgence is resting on Kṛṣṇa. That you'll find in the Brahma-saṁhitā [sings]:\nyasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi-\nkoṭiṣv aśeṣa-vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam\ntad brahma niṣkalam anantam aśeṣa-bhūtaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.40]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, whose effulgence is the source of the nondifferentiated Brahman mentioned in the Upaniṣads, being differentiated from the infinity of glories of the mundane universe appears as the indivisible, infinite, limitless, truth.]\nYasya prabhā: \"I worship the Supreme Lord, the prime, the primeval Lord, Govinda.\" Why? Yasya prabhā prabhavato: \"By expansion of whose bodily luster or effulgence, jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi, many, many millions and trillions of universes are generated in that brahma-jyotir.\" Exactly like the..., within the sunshine, the effulgence, there are millions and trillions of planets, similarly, in the effulgence of Kṛṣṇa, bodily effulgence, there are millions and trillions of universes.\nYasya prabhā prabhavato. On account of His bodily luster being expanded, there are creation of so many millions and trillions of universes. But if you take it for granted that each star is a universe—no. That, according to Vedic literature, that is not accepted. But in each and every universe, there are millions and trillions of planets. Yasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi-koṭiṣv aśeṣa. Aśeṣa means there is no end. Millions and trillions there is counting, but here it is mentioned, aśeṣa. Aśeṣa means there is no question of count.\nAśeṣa-vasudhādi. Vasudhā means planet where the living entities can reside. This is the meaning of vasudhā. No planet is without any living entities. Every planet is full of living entities. Vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam. But each planet is particularly opulent in a particular way. Just like you can see the moon planet is particularly opulent by some particular feature: it is very cold. Similarly, sun planet, it has got a particular feature: it is very hot. So each planet has got a different particular type of feature. Vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam.\nSo this is the creation. Sarvam idam. Therefore the Vedic injunction, sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma [Chāndogya Upaniṣad 3.14.1]:\n[Everything, both matter and spirit, is non-different from the Supreme Personality of Godhead who is the Supreme Brahman.]\n\"There is nothing except Brahman.\" But the Māyāvādī philosophers, they do not accept the varieties. They accept varieties as false. But we Vaiṣṇava philosophers, we don't accept varieties as false, but it is temporary. That is the difference. Actually it is so. Just like your body. Now if I say, \"Your body is false. Let me kill you,\" will you agree? Then why should you call it is false? If it is false, then don't mind whether it is killed or it is left. No, it is not false. The theory of the Māyāvādī, brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā... \n[The Supreme Brahman is the only truth, and this material world is false.]\nJagat, this material world, they say it is false. We don't say it is false; it is temporary. That is the real termination, or terminology, that it is not false.\nSo because it is temporary, so we have to make the best use of this temporary body. Don't take it as false. Just like a train... You have no experience in your country. In India we have got experience. When there is a little more stoppage of a mail train... The people of India, they are accustomed to take bath daily. So immediately they take some advantage, and they begin to take bath. And there are so many water taps in the station, and every tap is engaged. So to make the best use. Because they think that \"We have got a half an hour at our disposal, so let us finish it properly.\" So once taken bath, then the whole day's journey is pleasant.\nSimilarly, this body is not false. Not only this body; everything material. We don't take it is false. We take it as temporary. And temporary, how it should be utilized for our best purpose? Just like the mail passengers in the train, they are using the half an hour time for taking bath, utilize. Similarly, although this body is temporary, we can utilize it for the best purpose. What is that best purpose? Realization of Kṛṣṇa. If we can utilize this temporary body for utilization..., for understanding Kṛṣṇa consciousness and be fixed up in that Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that is the best use of the bad bargain.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja therefore says in this verse, prāṇaṁ punāti sa-kulam. One who has engaged himself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, aravinda-nābha pādāravinda, lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa or Viṣṇu, he purifies himself as well as his family. Purifies his whole family. Sometimes a Vaiṣṇava born in a village, he purifies the whole village. These are statement in authentic scriptures.\nSo apart from village, a Vaiṣṇava born in a family can give the best service to his family, because he purifies. Sa-kulam. The host of his ancestors and forefathers, everyone is purified. Na tu bhūrimānaḥ. But the person who is simply proud of being born of a brāhmaṇa family, and even if he has all the good qualities of a brāhmaṇa, but if he's simply proud, he has not engaged his qualification in understanding Kṛṣṇa consciousness, Prahlāda Mahārāja says that he is useless.\nBetter than him is he who has engaged his everything, prāṇair arthair dhiyā vācā [SB 10.22.35].\n[It is the duty of every living being to perform welfare activities for the benefit of others with his life, wealth, intelligence and words.]\n\"Everything\" means I have got my body, I have got my mind, I have got my words. I can serve you by my words, just like I am serving you. Somebody can serve by his mind, somebody can serve by his bodily service. So everything should be engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then he is glorious. He is glorious. He is better than that person who is simply materially qualified and proud of his material qualification and acquisition but does not engage himself in the service of the aravinda-nābha, Viṣṇu.\nSo somebody may question, \"What is the profit? Suppose I am prepared to engage my life, my mind, my words, my wealth and everything in the service of the Lord. Then what is my profit? I become insolvent, because I give everything to Kṛṣṇa. Then what I keep myself, for me?\" So Prahlāda Mahārāja is very... Kṛṣṇa yei bhaje sei baḍo catur. Anyone who is in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he's very intelligent. So this question he is replying.\nBecause the next question should be like this: \"Suppose I am prepared to engage everything, whatever I have got, in the service of Kṛṣṇa. Then what is my profit?\" Because we are always after profit. That should be. Any intelligent man should not do anything without any profit. But they do not know what is that profit.\nThat is also answered by Prahlāda Mahārāja somewhere else: na te viduḥ svārtha gatiṁ hi viṣṇum [SB 7.5.31].\n[Persons who are strongly entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is to return home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Viṣṇu. As blind men guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, materially attached men led by another materially attached man are bound by the ropes of fruitive labor, which are made of very strong cords, and they continue again and again in materialistic life, suffering the threefold miseries.]\nThe foolish human society, they do not know that their real profit is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Viṣṇu or Kṛṣṇa conscious, the same thing. Durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ. They are trying to be profitable by the external world. They are thinking that \"I shall make profit by becoming a very big businessman,\" just like Ford and Rockefeller and so many; in our country, Birla. No. Durāśayā. That is your... What is called, durāśayā? The hope which is never to be fulfilled. What is called that in English language?",
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"content": "\n No. The hope. Suppose you are hoping something, but will never be fulfilled. What is called?",
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But still, the people, they exert so much energy.\nAnd even if he is president, if there is something wrong in somebody's mind, he is killed. So is it not utopian? His energy should have been utilized for self-realization, \"What I am?\" But if somebody wastes his energy to capture some utopian post which will be finished at any moment, so is it not utopian?\nTherefore Bhāgavata says they do not know their self-interest. Bahir arthaḥ maninaḥ, \"being captivated by the external energy.\" Na te viduḥ svārtha gatiṁ hi viṣṇum durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ. But why they are so much captivated?\nandhā yathāndaiḥ upanīyamānās\nte 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ\n[SB 7.5.31]\nBecause they follow rascal leaders. Their leadership is andha. Andha means blind. And they are following the blind leadership. They are themselves blind. Why blind? They cannot see future. They do not know what is going to... Because they have no understanding that \"I am eternal.\" This temporary body is only a flash in my life. I've changed so many bodies. Just like in this present existence I have changed my body so many times, from my childhood to this old age. Similarly, I am changing my body.\nSo this life, this body is temporary. Durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ. Andhā, and I do not see my future; therefore I am blind. And the leader which is leading me, he is also blind. So a blind man leading other blind men, what is the result? The result is catastrophic. Therefore in spite of so many great leaders, politicians, scientist, educationist, the result is that problematic. The whole world is full of problems. They do not know what is their interest. The interest is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That they do not know.\nSo it is the task of the members of the Kṛṣṇa consciousness to preach this. Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore has ordered, yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṇa upadeśa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]:\n[”Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa as they are given in the Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in this land.”]\nWhomever you meet, your business is just try to make him convinced of the instructions as given by Lord Kṛṣṇa in the Bhagavad-gītā. That is the best service to the humanity.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja says,\nnaivātmanaḥ prabhur ayaṁ nija-lābha-pūrṇo\nmānaṁ janad aviduṣaḥ karuṇo vṛṇīte\nyad yaj jano bhagavate vidadhīta mānaṁ\ntac cātmane prati-mukhasya yathā mukha-śrīḥ\n[SB 7.9.11]\n[The Supreme Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is always fully satisfied in Himself. Therefore when something is offered to Him, the offering, by the Lord's mercy, is for the benefit of the devotee, for the Lord does not need service from anyone. To give an example, if one's face is decorated, the reflection of one's face in a mirror is also seen to be decorated.]\nIt is very nice. So the question may be that \"Because everything has to be offered to Kṛṣṇa, so does it mean that Kṛṣṇa is hankering after my riches? Because I have amassed so much money by hard labor, and Kṛṣṇa is very clever that He's trying to take it away?\" Yes. [laughs] Yes, that is the fact.\nKṛṣṇa says in Bhāgavata that, yasyāham anugṛhnāmi hariṣye tad dhanaṁ śanaiḥ [SB 10.88.8].\n[The Personality of Godhead said: If I especially favor someone, I gradually deprive him of his wealth. Then the relatives and friends of such a poverty-stricken man abandon him. In this way he suffers one distress after another.]\nThe Pāṇḍavas, they were friends of Kṛṣṇa, and they were put into so many difficulties. Their kingdom was stolen, their wife was insulted, they were forced to live in the forest, giving up the kingdom—so many difficulties. Their house was set in fire the other party, his cousin brothers. So Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja, the elder, the eldest brother of the Pāṇḍavas...\nPractically this question was raised by Parīkṣit Mahārāja to Śukadeva Gosvāmī. The question was that Viṣṇu, or Nārāyaṇa, He's the supreme opulent, Lakṣmī-pati, the husband of the goddess of fortune. So persons who are Viṣṇu-bhakta or Vaiṣṇava, why they become poorer? Why this contradiction?\nAnd the devotees of Lord Śiva... Śiva presents himself as the poorest man. He has no dwelling house even. He lives underneath a tree. And his wife, Durgā, she is the proprietor of this universe. She is also following the husband. She has also agreed to live underneath the tree. Never complains, \"Oh, my dear Śiva, you don't construct a house even. What is this?\" She also agrees. That means they live very..., in a wretched, poor condition.\nSo this was the question of Parīkṣit Mahārāja, that those who are worshiper of this wretched Lord Śiva—not wretched, but he places himself in such condition—they become very opulent materially. They have got very nice estate, very nice wife, very nice foodstuff. And the Vaiṣṇavas, who are worshiper of Viṣṇu, the most opulent, the controller of Lakṣmī, lakṣmī-sahasra-śata sevyamānaṁ [Bs. 5.29],\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\nWhom not only one, but millions and billions of goddess of fortune are always in His service, such opulent Kṛṣṇa and Viṣṇu, those who are worshiper of Viṣṇu and Kṛṣṇa, why they become poorer?\nThis contradiction was inquired by Mahārāja Parikṣit to Śukadeva Gosvāmī, and Śukadeva Gosvāmī said that... This is the process of great personality. He said, \"I'll not answer this question, but this very question was inquired by your grandfather, Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, to Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa. And it is better to take the answer directly from Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSo similar question was put. Because Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira was little doubtful, that \"I am known as Dharma-rāja, the king, personified religion, because I never tell anything lie, and my life is so pious. So..., and my brothers Arjuna and Bhīma, they're the greatest warrior. And our wife, Draupadī, she is personally the goddess of fortune. So we are combined together—religion, goddess of fortune, greatest warrior—and above all, the greatest friend, Kṛṣṇa. Why we are in difficulty?\" This question was asked.\nKṛṣṇa... This question was asked not for their personal benefit, just to teach us that sometimes in Kṛṣṇa consciousness you may be put in difficulty, but don't, I mean to say, be hesitated. Fixed up. You should know Kṛṣṇa's mercy. Why? Kṛṣṇa says, yasyāham anugṛhnāmi hariṣye tad dhanaṁ śanaiḥ [SB 10.88.8].\n[The Personality of Godhead said: If I especially favor someone, I gradually deprive him of his wealth. Then the relatives and friends of such a poverty-stricken man abandon him. In this way he suffers one distress after another.]\nHe answered to Yudhiṣṭhira, \"My dear Yudhiṣṭhira, the first test of a devotee is that I, if I show him special favor, then I take away all his wealth.\"\nWhy? Why this sort of special favor? Because this material attachment is so great that one cannot go to Kṛṣṇa. So anyone who is engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, at the same time he wants material enjoyment, Kṛṣṇa sees his foolishness. Foolishness. Anyone who is making progress in Kṛṣṇa consciousness should not be envious, \"Oh, he is so great. He is so rich man. He has got so nice palace. He has got so nice wife. I haven't got anything.\"\nDon't be. Because it is completely different life. Don't be captivated by the material opulence, even you are put into great difficulties. Because you are not this material body. You are spirit soul. So your progress should be steady on the spiritual platform. So we shall discuss this point more. The time has passed. So Prahlāda Mahārāja will explain that why one should offer everything to Kṛṣṇa. That we shall discuss in the next meeting.\nThank you very much. Any question?",
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"content": "\n Devotee thinks, \"Why shall we not have a nice house?\"",
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"content": "\n For Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Oh, for Kṛṣṇa he can have anything. That is a different thing. Not for himself. For himself, he should be satisfied whatever Kṛṣṇa offers. That's all. But for Kṛṣṇa he'll try to... Just like the example is Hanuman. Hanuman, he fought with Rāvaṇa. Why? Not for his personal sake. He did not fight with Rāvaṇa to take the kingdom of Rāvaṇa, become king there. No. He fought for Rāma. So the Kṛṣṇa consciousness person's endeavor should be to give everything to Rāma. Not...\nBut for himself he's completely dependent on Kṛṣṇa, whatever position he may keep. It doesn't matter. He has no such perception, \"Whether I'm...\" He's always happy. Kṛṣṇa's service is so nice that he has no other idea what is happiness except Kṛṣṇa's service. So why shall he desire this or that? Naturally, he has no desire because he's already fulfilled his desire, being in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nBut those who are thinking that \"Becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious I shall become very rich, I shall become one of the richest men,\" that is his foolishness. That means he's not in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He still requires to be more advanced. But actually one who is Kṛṣṇa conscious, that very consciousness is so happy that he doesn't want anything more. That very consciousness is happiness.\nAhaituky apratihatā [SB 1.2.6].\n[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]\nThere is no other cause. A real Kṛṣṇa conscious person does not become Kṛṣṇa conscious for any other purpose. That Kṛṣṇa consciousness is his purpose. That is the end; that is the means. It is not a means to achieve something else. Bhakti is such thing. Therefore bhakti is transcendental. It is not material, that... In the material world, in exchange of something you get something else, but in the spiritual world the endeavor and the achievement, the same thing. So actually, a person who is in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he has no such desire.\nAnyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Brs. 1.1.11].\n[One should render transcendental loving service to the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṇa favorably and without desire for material profit or gain through fruitive activities or philosophical speculation. That is called pure devotional service.]\nThe exact definition you'll find in the Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu: anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam. Śūnyam means completely devoid of any other desire. Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam [Cc. Madhya 19.167].\n[“’When first-class devotional service develops, one must be devoid of all material desires, knowledge obtained by monistic philosophy, and fruitive action. The devotee must constantly serve Kṛṣṇa favorably, as Kṛṣṇa desires.’]\nAnd uncovered by the activities of knowledge or fruitive action. Ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānuśīlanam. Simply acting in favor of Kṛṣṇa: \"Kṛṣṇa wants this, I shall do it.\" \"Kṛṣṇa wants this fight\"—Arjuna did it. Not for himself.\nWe shall keep always in mind that Arjuna was engaged into fight not for his personal self. For his personal self he denied: \"Oh, what shall I do with this kingdom by fighting with my brothers and grandfather? No. Kṛṣṇa, excuse me. I cannot fight.\"\nBut when he understood that the fight is to be done for Kṛṣṇa, he took all the responsibility. Similarly, a Kṛṣṇa conscious person will not aspire anything for his sense gratification, but he will aspire for all the world for Kṛṣṇa's service. Is that clear? Yes.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Supposing if I were to become a devotee and I might be influenced to try to live like Śiva, because richness doesn't appeal to me. But the problem is that in a country like this the winter is extremely cold, and if I try to live like Śiva I would freeze to death. So... [break]",
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"content": "\n I have understood. I have understood. Kṛṣṇa consciousness does not mean that you falsely make some attempt. The... Just like Arjuna. Arjuna understood the Kṛṣṇa philosophy, and it does not mean that he became a naked fakir and went away from the fighting place, and without any clothing he began to travel. Is it that? No. The only thing is that he changed the account. The account was on behalf of Kṛṣṇa.\nSo you haven't got to make such renunciation that you have to live underneath a tree or give up your dress, become naked. No. That is not... You have misunderstood. You should dress himself properly, you should eat properly, you should work properly—but not on your account, but Kṛṣṇa's account. That is the thing. That's all.\nNirbandhe kṛṣṇa-sambandhe\nyukta-vairāgya ucyate\n[Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.255]\n[When one is not attached to anything but at the same time accepts everything in relation to Kṛṣṇa, one is rightly situated above possessiveness. On the other hand, one who rejects everything without knowledge of its relationship to Kṛṣṇa is not as complete in his renunciation.]\nThat is the difference between Vaiṣṇava philosophy and Māyāvādī philosophy. The Māyāvāda philosophy says that brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā, \"This world is false and Brahman is truth. So let me become renounced of all this worldly relationship and try to be one with the Brahman.\" That is Māyāvāda philosophy.\nWe don't say that. We say that because Brahman is satya, truth, and because the world is created by Brahman, so this is also truth. This is also truth. Pūrṇam idaṁ pūrṇam adaḥ pūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate [Īśopaniṣad, Invocation].\n[The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the Complete Whole is also complete in itself. Because He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance.]\nThat is the version of Upaniṣad. The thing is, difference between Māyāvādī and Vaiṣṇava, they do not know the proprietorship. We know the proprietorship. We don't accept anything as \"I am the proprietor.\" This is mistake. This is māyā. Actually... If I take, \"It is Kṛṣṇa's,\" then I am liberated. Just try to understand. You are sitting here. You know that this apartment or this loft belongs to somebody. So there is no harm sitting here, hearing here. But if you think that \"This is mine,\" and if you want you take something out of this, then there is trouble.\nSimilarly, this world belongs to Kṛṣṇa. If you have always that consciousness that it belongs to Kṛṣṇa... Just like a bank cashier. He knows that millions of dollars is coming to him, but he knows that \"This is belonging to the bank. I am simply cashier.\" Similarly, you can deal with all the worldly things, but if your consciousness is Kṛṣṇa, then you are free.\nNikhileṣv apy avasthāsu\njīvan muktaḥ sa ucyate\n[Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.187]\n[One who engages in the transcendental service of the Lord in body, mind and word is to be considered liberated in all conditions of material existence.]\nIn every condition of life if one is Kṛṣṇa conscious, he's always liberated. He's not affected.\nSo that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa consciousness does not teach you to become a false renouncer. What is the use of becoming a renouncer? After all, you have got this body. How can you renounce it? Either you cover it with underwear or either you cover it with costly dress, you have to cover it. So that covering also belongs to Kṛṣṇa.\nSo we have to be situated under the consciousness that \"Everything is Kṛṣṇa's. Nothing belongs to me.\" That is the actual fact. But by illusion we are accepting, \"This is mine,\" \"This is mine,\" \"This is mine.\" We have to give up this consciousness and accept the Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is our preaching. Is that clear?\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, I don't understand when you say that you worship Kṛṣṇa or Viṣṇu. I don't understand if Kṛṣṇa is Viṣṇu or Viṣṇu is Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Kṛṣṇa... There are several categories of living entities. Kṛṣṇa is also living entity. Viṣṇu is also living entity. You are also living entity. Lord Śiva is also living entity. Every one of us. But there are categories. Just like in your Montreal city, there are hundreds of millions of people. But someone's status is higher than the others. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa is the original living entity. Govindam ādi-puruṣam. Ādi-puruṣam means original. And from Him everything has expanded. Eko bahu śyāma. He has expanded Himself in many.\nSo some of them are in the Viṣṇu category. The Viṣṇu category means they are almost equal to Kṛṣṇa. It is estimated the Viṣṇu categories, They have ninety-four percent opulence of Kṛṣṇa. And the next category is Śiva category. The Śiva category has eighty-four percent of all the opulence of Kṛṣṇa. And the next category is Brahmā category. Brahmā.\nBrahmā category means living entities, when they are perfect, they can obtain seventy-eight percent of the opulence of Kṛṣṇa. So Kṛṣṇa is cent per cent, Viṣṇu or Nārāyaṇa is ninety-four percent, Lord Śiva is eighty-four percent, and we, in our perfection, we are seventy-eight percent. Is that clear?",
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"content": "\n Well, I don't understand then why you'd worship Viṣṇu and not Kṛṣṇa. I don't understand that why then you'd go to Viṣṇu and not to Kṛṣṇa if Kṛṣṇa is higher?",
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"content": "\n Why do you, I mean to say, take care of your child? Why not other child? They are also children. Why don't you take care? Answer this?",
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"content": "\n Because this child was given to me.",
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"content": "\n You love him. That's all. Similarly, if you love Kṛṣṇa, that's all right. If you love Viṣṇu, that is also all right. But you cannot derive the same result by loving Kṛṣṇa and by Viṣṇu. Therefore it is your selection, whom should you love.\nKṛṣṇa is cent per cent and Viṣṇu is ninety-four percent. So if you want to worship or love ninety-four percent, that is also almost Kṛṣṇa. But Kṛṣṇa is cent per cent, pūrṇam. Mattaḥ parataraṁ kiñcid asti dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7].\n[O conqueror of wealth [Arjuna], there is no Truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.]\nIn Bhagavad-gītā you'll find that He is the supreme.\nahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ\nmattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate\niti matvā bhajante māṁ\nbudhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ\n[Bg. 10.8]\n[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]\n\"I am the origin of everything, including Viṣṇu, Brahmā, Śiva, living entities, everything.\" Iti matvā. So intelligent persons, if I have to love, why not love the greatest personality, Kṛṣṇa, who is cent per cent perfect? That is your selection. If you select ninety-four percent, there is no harm, but best thing is why not cent per cent.\nIs that all right? Not yet clear?",
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"content": "\n That part I understand. What I don't understand is why... Why would they take less than Kṛṣṇa? Why would you take less than Kṛṣṇa? If Kṛṣṇa is cent per cent, why take less?",
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"content": "\n I don't follow what you say. What is that?",
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"content": "\n Why would someone take less? Why would someone choose Viṣṇu and not Kṛṣṇa if they know that Kṛṣṇa is cent per cent and Viṣṇu is ninety-four percent?",
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"content": "\n That we have already answered. Why you like this child?",
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"content": "\n No, what I mean is...",
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"content": "\n That is your selection.",
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"content": "\n Then what I want to know is, if you worship Kṛṣṇa and you go to Kṛṣṇaloka.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n And if you worship Viṣṇu, what happens to you? Where do you go? What happens to those people?",
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"content": "\n He goes to Viṣṇuloka.",
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"content": "\n And it's not... Is it eternal? Is it eternal?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is also. Any place in the spiritual sky, they are eternal. If that is your question... Now, either Viṣṇu planet or Kṛṣṇa planet, they are all in the spiritual world. Or the impersonal Brahman, that is also in the spiritual world. So somebody wants to be merged into the Brahman effulgence, so that is also a spiritual world.\nSomebody wants to go into the Viṣṇu planets, that is also in the spiritual world. And somebody wants to go to this Kṛṣṇa planet, that is also in the spiritual sky. But there are differences even in the spiritual sky. The difference between spiritual sky and material sky is that everything in the spiritual sky, they are eternal, and everything in the material sky, they are temporary. That's all.\nOh, so many? You, you.",
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"content": "\n Isn't brahma-jyotir temporary in the fact that you can come back down to the earth? Back to the material world?",
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"content": "\n Brahmacārī?",
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"content": "\n Brahma-jyotir.",
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"content": "\n No. Brahma-jyotir means spiritual sky. This material sky means brahma-jyotir is covered by material cloud. Actually, everything is brahma-jyotir. Just like clear sky, but some portion of the sky is sometimes covered by cloud. Some portion only. The whole sky is never covered by sky. Similarly, some portion which is covered by this material atmosphere, that is called material world. That's all.\nActually, the original sky is spiritual. Original sky is full of sunshine, but the covered portion means we cannot see the sunshine. Covered portion by cloud means we cannot see the sunshine. And similarly, this material sky means where we cannot see the spiritual effulgence. That is the difference. Otherwise, even this material sky is also a spiritual sky. The spiritual sky is the original status. Yes.",
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"content": "\n I have noticed when everybody touches their head to the floor. And this I find so disturbing [indistinct] another man and kiss their boots. I found that [indistinct]. And to tell you frankly, I find it quite shocking, too, that people place their head on the ground before another man. And you are a man like that. You are a man of knowledge, and you're [indistinct]. But yet I can't see the point of people touching their heads to the floor...",
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"content": "\n Nobody asked me, but I see everybody else does it.",
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"content": "\n Then why you are feeling so disturbed?",
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"content": "\n Because to me, people are people, and there's... No man is a God, and it's just appearing as if you were...",
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"content": "\n But as you are thinking that they should not, they are thinking that you should. [laughter] As you are thinking they should not do like that, they are thinking you must do that. Then what is it? Difference of opinion. Your vote is single and they are so many. So you have to follow the greatest majority vote.",
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"content": "\n Unless I am given a very good reason to do so...",
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"content": "\n No, I am answering your question. As you are thinking in that way, they are also at liberty to think otherwise. So you cannot encroach upon their thinking.",
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"content": "\n I will not do that.",
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"content": "\n So therefore as you are thinking that they should not have done, they are thinking you should have done. The real question is that they are following a system. So in that system, the spiritual master is offered respect in that way. There is a system. And they don't feel any uneasiness by doing that.",
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"content": "\n But if I were to enter politics and..., [indistinct] and suppose I were to attack some people who have actually the leadership of foreign powers or something like that, and a newspaper man would tell my opponents that that man has... [break]",
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"content": "\n Newspaper man has poor vision. He's seeing \"Indian\" and \"American\" and \"Canadian.\" So his vision is poor. If anyone thinks that \"This Swāmījī is coming from India, and the Americans or Canadians, they are offering their respect in that way,\" so he has to expand his vision in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That... Just like it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā that,\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg. 18.54]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nSo these obei... [break] ...is taught, just like Kṛṣṇa is asking everybody, Arjuna, that mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66].\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\nThis is our system. Just like anyone who comes to the temple, he at once offers by falling flat, offering respect to the Deity. And the spiritual master is accepted as representative of the Deity. He's the living representative.\nThat is the system everywhere. Just like in our India somebody was going as viceroy, representative of the King in England. Oh, he was being offered all the respect of a king. Nobody bothered, \"Oh, he's coming from England. Why a brāhmaṇa should offer respect to the viceroy?\" No. They never grudged. That is a system. The representative of a king, if he can be offered such respect, then how much respect should be offered to a person who is representative of Kṛṣṇa?\n[pause] Yes?",
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"content": "\n Swāmī, is the idea that matter is neither created nor destroyed, but the substance is eternal but the form is temporary? Is that...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. That is the way. Everything here in the material world is temporary. Anything you take, anything material, that is temporary. Similarly, this body is temporary, this house is temporary, this country is temporary. Say some five hundred years ago, this was not Canada; it was something else. Similarly, in some other time, it will be different. So nothing is fixed up or permanent in this material world.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Some time ago, I... [break]",
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"content": "\n ...either belonging to the Indians or to the Canadians. It belongs to Kṛṣṇa. [laughter] Actually, that is the fact. Everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa. We simply falsely say that \"This is, belongs to Canadian,\" \"This is, belongs to Indian,\" \"This is, belongs to Englishman.\" This is māyā. Actually... [break] [end]",
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