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"content": "\n\noṁ ajñāna-timirāndhasya jñānāñjana-śalākayācakṣur\nunmīlitaṁ yena tasmai śrī-gurave namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who with the torchlight of knowledge has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance.]\nśrī-caitanya-mano-'bhīṣṭaṁ sthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale\nsvayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ dadāti sva-padāntikam\n[When will Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet?]\n[microphone is moving around]\n[aside: you can bind it, some, something]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devi praṇamāmi hari-priye\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They can fulfill the desires of everyone, just like desire trees, and they are full of compassion for the fallen souls.]\nśrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu-nityānanda\nśrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda\n[I offer my obeisances to Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya, Prabhu Nityānanda, Śrī Advaita, Gadādhara, Śrīvāsa and all others in the line of devotion.]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[My dear Lord, and the spiritual energy of the Lord, kindly engage me in Your service. I am now embarrassed with this material service. Please engage me in Your service.]\nLadies and gentlemen I thank you very much for your participating in this...\n[aside: finish it; that’s all right]\n...the saṅkīrtana movement. Today’s subject matter is kīrtana?",
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"content": "\n Saṅkīrtana. This word saṅkīrtana is a Sanskrit word. Sam means samyak, “complete,” and kīrtana means “glorifying” or “describing.” Kīrtaye. So this complete description means complete glorification of the Supreme, of the Supreme complete whole.\nKīrtana does not mean that you can describe anything or glorify anything, that will become kīrtana. From grammatical point of view, that may be kīrtana, but according to Vedic scriptures, when you speak of kīrtana, that kīrtana means describing the supreme authority, the Absolute Truth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is called kīrtana.\nŚravaṇaṁ kīrtanam [SB 7.5.23]. This devotional service begins from the method of śravaṇaṁ. Śravaṇaṁ means “hearing,” and kīrtana, and “describe.” One should describe and one should hear, or the same man himself can describe and hear himself. He doesn’t require any other’s help. Just like if you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, you chant and you hear. This is complete. This is complete method. Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanam. But what is that chanting and hearing? Viṣṇu. Not of anything else.\nśravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥsmaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam\narcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyaṁsakhyam ātma-nivedanam\n[SB 7.5.23]\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: Hearing and chanting about the transcendental holy name, form, qualities, paraphernalia and pastimes of Lord Viṣṇu, remembering them, serving the lotus feet of the Lord, offering the Lord respectful worship with sixteen types of paraphernalia, offering prayers to the Lord, becoming His servant, considering the Lord one's best friend, and surrendering everything unto Him (in other words, serving Him with the body, mind and words)—these nine processes are accepted as pure devotional service. One who has dedicated his life to the service of Kṛṣṇa through these nine methods should be understood to be the most learned person, for he has acquired complete knowledge.]\nYou can understand about Viṣṇu, or the all-pervading Absolute Truth, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, by these methods. What are these? Śravaṇaṁ, hearing. You have to hear. If you hear simply, that is the beginning. You don’t require any education; don’t require any development of knowledge. In any position. Just like this child, you have seen many times. As soon as she hears, immediately she response and dances.\nSo by nature God has given us this nice instrument, ear. You can simply hear, that’s all. But you must hear from the right source. That is said in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam:\nsatāṁ prasaṅgān mama vīrya-samvido\nbhavanty hṛtkārṇa-rasāyana-kathāḥ\n[SB 3.25.25]\n[In the association of pure devotees, discussion of the pastimes and activities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is very pleasing and satisfying to the ear and the heart. By cultivating such knowledge one gradually becomes advanced on the path of liberation, and thereafter he is freed, and his attraction becomes fixed. Then real devotion and devotional service begin.]\nSatāṁ prasaṅgāt. Satāṁ means “devotees,” those who are devoted to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. They are called satāṁ. \nsatāṁ prasaṅgān mama vīrya-samvido\nbhavanty hṛtkārṇa-rasāyana-kathāḥ\n[SB 3.25.25]\n[In the association of pure devotees, discussion of the pastimes and activities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is very pleasing and satisfying to the ear and the heart. By cultivating such knowledge one gradually becomes advanced on the path of liberation, and thereafter he is freed, and his attraction becomes fixed. Then real devotion and devotional service begin.]\nTat-joṣaṇāt. If you hear from the right sources… Right source means one must be realized soul; then it will act. Bhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ kathāḥ. This kaṭha means these wordings of God, or Kṛṣṇa, they become very relishable, palatable. Bhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ. Rasāyanāḥ means “relief.”Kathāḥ taj-joṣaṇād. \nNow if you are intelligent enough, if you give your thought also, what is spoken by the realized soul, taj-joṣaṇād āśu. Āśu means “very soon,” “immediately.” Apavarga-vartmani. Apavarga means “release from material entanglement”; pavarga means “entanglement.” In Sanskrit there are pa, pha, ba, bha, ma. Each word conveys some meaning. So they are called pavarga.\nSo apavarga-vartmani. The human life is meant for advancing on the path of liberation, apavarga. That is called apavarga, “not entangled.” We are always entangled. To accept this material body means we are already entangled. Don’t progress in the process of entanglement. That process is karma. So long the mind will be absorbed in karma, you will have to accept this material body. Yaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran loke [Bg. 8.6].\n[Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that state he will attain without fail.]\nAt the time of death if your mind is absorbed—“Oh, I could not finish this work. Oh, I am dying. I had to do this. I had to do that”– that means Kṛṣṇa will give you another chance for doing that. You have to accept. You have to accept. He will give you time, “All right, you could not do it. Now you do it. You get this body.”\nTherefore Bhāgavata says,\nnūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma\nyad indriya-prītaya āpṛṇoti\n[SB 5.5.4]\n[When a person considers sense gratification the aim of life, he certainly becomes mad after materialistic living and engages in all kinds of sinful activity. He does not know that due to his past misdeeds he has already received a body which, although temporary, is the cause of his misery. Actually the living entity should not have taken on a material body, but he has been awarded the material body for sense gratification. Therefore I think it not befitting an intelligent man to involve himself again in the activities of sense gratification by which he perpetually gets material bodies one after another.]\nThese rascals, they have become mad, pramattaḥ. Pramattaḥ means “mad,” “intoxicated.”Kurute vikarma, by intoxication they are acting something which they should not have done, but they are doing it. Why? Indriya-prītaya. Yad indriya-prītaya. Just like there is very good example, Mahārāja Dhṛtarāṣṭra.\nMahārāja Dhṛtarāṣṭra was planning some intrigue how to cheat the Pāṇḍavas in favor of his own son. So Kṛṣṇa sent His uncle to advise him not to do that. He understood, but he said, replied, “My dear Akrūra, whatever you are saying is quite all right, but it does not stand in my heart. So I have to. I cannot change my policy. I’ll have to follow this policy and let whatever it may, come.”\nSo people become, when they want to satisfy their senses, they become mad, pramattaḥ. So in this madness they do everything. Just like we have got many instances in this material life that sometimes, when one is too much after something, he commits some criminal action, commits even murder. He cannot check himself. Similarly, we are being accustomed to sense gratification. We are mad, and therefore our mind is full absorbed in karma.\nnūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma\nyad indriya-prītaya āpṛṇoti\n[SB 5.5.4]\n[When a person considers sense gratification the aim of life, he certainly becomes mad after materialistic living and engages in all kinds of sinful activity. He does not know that due to his past misdeeds he has already received a body which, although temporary, is the cause of his misery. Actually the living entity should not have taken on a material body, but he has been awarded the material body for sense gratification. Therefore I think it not befitting an intelligent man to involve himself again in the activities of sense gratification by which he perpetually gets material bodies one after another.]\nSo Ṛṣabhadeva says, na sādhu manye: “This is not good.” Why this is not good? Because yata ātmano 'yam asann api kleśada āsa dehaḥ [SB 5.5.4]. This body, although temporary, it is the result of all, I mean to say, misfortune, miseries, kleśada. Kleśada means always giving trouble.\nThese things are to be studied. We should not be mad. Human life is not meant for that. That is the defect of the present civilization. They are mad after sense gratification, that’s all. They do not know this value of life—neglecting the most valuable life, human form of life.\nAnd as soon as this body is finished, there is no guarantee what kind of body he is going to take next. Suppose in my next life, by chance, I get the life of a tree. For thousands of years I’ll have to stand up in one place. So they are not very serious. They even say, “What is there? Even if I stand up, I shall forget.” Actually, forgetfulness, unless one forgets, he cannot stand up.\nThe tree, if it is not in forgetfulness, it is impossible. Suppose if you are asked, “You stand up for three days here,” you will become mad, because you are not forgetful. So by nature’s law, all these lower grade of life, they are forgetful. Their consciousness is not developed. Even you cut, just like when you cut the tree, it does not like, but its consciousness is not developed, does not respond. Animal.\nSo this life, human form of life, we should be very careful. This movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, is meant for giving perfect sense to your life. It is a not a thing to bluff, or exploitation. But unfortunately people are accustomed to be bluffed. There is a verse by Indian poet, satya bole tomāre lata jhuta jagat bolaye[?]: “If you speak nice thing, ’Today will be with lolahead[?],’ what nonsense you are speaking?”\nAnd if you give them bluff, and cheat them, oh, they will be very glad. Yes. Jhuta jagat bolaye[?]. So if you bluff, that “ You make this, and you become within six month God, and you give me my fees,” oh, they will be agreeable: “Yes, you take this fees, and I shall become within six months God.” No. These things will not solve your problems. If you want actually to solve the problems of life in this age, then you have to take to this process of kīrtana. That is the recommendation, kīrtana. In this age, Kali-yuga: kalau nāsty eva, nāsty eva, nāsty eva gathir anyathā [Cc. Ādi 17.21].\n[“’In this Age of Kali there is no other means, no other means, no other means for self-realization than chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name of Lord Hari.’]\nYou cannot execute any other process of self-realization or perfection of life except this: harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma eva kevalam [Cc. Ādi 17.21]. The same thing: śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ [SB 7.5.23].\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: Hearing and chanting about the transcendental holy name, form, qualities, paraphernalia and pastimes of Lord Viṣṇu, remembering them, serving the lotus feet of the Lord, offering the Lord respectful worship with sixteen types of paraphernalia, offering prayers to the Lord, becoming His servant, considering the Lord one's best friend, and surrendering everything unto Him (in other words, serving Him with the body, mind and words)—these nine processes are accepted as pure devotional service. One who has dedicated his life to the service of Kṛṣṇa through these nine methods should be understood to be the most learned person, for he has acquired complete knowledge.]\nViṣṇu and Hari, the same thing. Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ, and harer nāma eva kevalam. You will find in Vedic literature all the symmetries. There is no difference of opinion.\nSo this kīrtana, our subject matter, is essential in this age. In all śāstras, all Vedic literature, it is confirmed, kalau tad dhari-kīrtanāt, kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇuṁ [SB 12.3.52]\n[Whatever result was obtained in Satya-yuga by meditating on Viṣṇu, in Tretā-yuga by performing sacrifices, and in Dvāpara-yuga by serving the Lord's lotus feet can be obtained in Kali-yuga simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra.]\nMeditation of the Supreme Absolute Truth, Viṣṇu. The same Viṣṇu, not anything else. Kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇuṁ. Dhyāna avasthita [SB 12.13.1]. Dhyāna, dhyāna means “meditation.”\nyaṁ brahmā varuṇendra-rudra-marutaḥ stunvantidivyaiḥ stavair\nvedaiḥ sāṅga-pada-kramopaniṣadair gāyanti yaṁ sāma-gāḥ\n[SB 12.13.1]\n[Sūta Gosvāmī said: Unto that personality whom Brahmā, Varuṇa, Indra, Rudra and the Maruts praise by chanting transcendental hymns and reciting the Vedas with all their corollaries, pada-kramas and Upaniṣads, to whom the chanters of the Sāma Veda always sing, whom the perfected yogīs see within their minds after fixing themselves in trance and becoming fully absorbed in thoughts of Him, and whose limit can never be found by any demigod or demon—unto that Supreme Personality of Godhead I offer my humble obeisances.]\nDhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena…yoginaḥ [SB 12.13.1]. So dhyāna, this dhyāna, this meditation process, was possible in kṛte, in the Satya-yuga—now it is not possible—when people used to live for many, many years. But nowadays will not believe, but sometimes there was, when people used to live for one hundred thousands of years.\nAt that time it is called Satya-yuga, and then meditation was possible at that time, because it takes them very, very long time. Just like Vālmīki Muni. Vālmīki Muni, he meditated for sixty thousands of years. So that is a long-term process, and it is not possible to execute in this age. If you make one farce, that is another thing. But actually if you want to meditate, it takes a very, very long time to make perfection.\nSo,\nkṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇuṁtretāyāṁ yajato makhaiḥ\n[SB 12.3.52]\n[Whatever result was obtained in Satya-yuga by meditating on Viṣṇu, in Tretā-yuga by performing sacrifices, and in Dvāpara-yuga by serving the Lord's lotus feet can be obtained in Kali-yuga simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra.]\nAnd in the next age by performing various kinds of sacrifices, ritualistic sacrifices, as recommended in the Vedas, that was possible. And dvāpare paricaryāyāṁ, the Dvāpara-yuga, next age, by temple worship, paricaryā. Kalau tad dhari-kīrtanāt [SB 12.3.52]. The same result you can achieve by this process, hari-kīrtana. Not other kīrtana. Because this hari-kīrtana was inaugurated, started… Of course, hari-kīrtana is there always, but officially it was started five hundred years ago, from Bengal, by Lord Caitanya.\nSo in Bengal there is a competition between the Vaiṣṇavas and the śāktas. The śāktas also introduced a certain type of kīrtana, which is called kālī-kīrtana. But according to śāstra, there is no recommendation of kālī-kīrtana. Kīrtana means hari-kīrtana. Kīrtana means viṣṇu-kīrtana, no other kīrtana. You cannot say, “You are Vaiṣṇava; you can perform hari-kīrtana.\nI shall perform śiva-kīrtana or devī-kīrtana or gaṇeśa-kīrtana.”No. Śāstra does not say any other kīrtana. Śāstra says hari-kīrtana. Kīrtana means hari-kīrtana, hari-kīrtanāt. Similarly, in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam also it is said that kṛṣṇa-kīrtana. In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, in the Twelfth Canto, you will find Śukadeva Goswāmī says,\nkaler doṣa-nidhe rājann\nasti hy eko mahān guṇaḥkīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya\n[SB 12.3.51]\nSpecifically mentions,\nkīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya\nmukta-saṅgaḥ paraṁ vrajet\n[SB 12.3.51]\n[My dear King, although Kali-yuga is an ocean of faults, there is still one good quality about this age: Simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra, one can become free from material bondage and be promoted to the transcendental kingdom.]\nIf one simply takes to this kīrtana process, kṛṣṇa-kīrtana, kīrtanād eva, “only.” This eva, this word is used to stress “only.”Kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya. Just like harer nāma eva, eva means “only.”\nSo you will find everywhere. So this simple process, kṛṣṇa-kīrtana: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Sixteen words. Actually there are three words, Hare, Kṛṣṇa, Rāma, but they are very nicely arranged for chanting. So everyone can take and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare, and that is practically proved. Since we have started this movement in the Western countries, all foreigners—Europeans, Americans, the Africans, the Egyptians, the Japanese—everyone is chanting.\nThere is no difficulty. There is no difficulty. They are chanting very gladly, and they are getting the result. So what is the difficulty? We are distributing it without any charges, and it is very simple, and simply by chanting you realize yourself, self-realization, God realization. And when there is self-realization, God realization, then there is this nature’s realization also, tasmin vijñāte sarvam evaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavanti.\nJust like if you try to learn one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten—nine and zero; one is already there—then your all whole arithmetic is studied. This ten figures. Because arithmetic means simply changing this place of one, two, three, four, five, six, eight, nine, that’s all. Similarly, if you simply study Kṛṣṇa, then your all knowledge is perfect. You don’t require any other endeavor to exert, to understand. Tasmin vijñāte sarvam evaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavanti. And that Kṛṣṇa can be understood simply by chanting this mantra, Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nSo why don’t you take this opportunity—the great opportunity offered to the human society. It is very scientific, authoritative, old, purāṇa. It is not that it is something concocted, introduced, say, for three or four years. No, don’t think. Just like I have several time repeated this Kṛṣṇa philosophy. Kṛṣṇa Himself says,\nimaṁ vivasvate yoga\nproktavān aham avyayam\n[Bg. 4.1]\n[The Personality of Godhead, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.]\nThis is avyayam yoga. Avyayam means inexhaustive, indestructive, never lost, never destroyed. It may be covered for the time being, but it is never destroyed; therefore it is called avyaya. Avyaya means “inexhaustible,” just like vyayaḥ means “expenditure.” Just like you have got hundred pounds. Hundred, if it is spent one after another, then one day it comes to zero. That is bought, expended. But this is not that. If you cultivate this knowledge, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it will increase.\nThat is the recommendation by Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu: ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam. Ānandā means “pleasure,” “transcendental bliss” and āmbudhi, āmbudhi means “ocean.” In the material world you have seen the ocean, but it does not increase; but here, if you culture this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, your transcendental bliss will simply increase, ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam. And the process is… I shall always remind you that the process is very simple. Anyone can chant, anywhere, without any tax, without any loss; but the gain is very great.\nSo, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu explains about this kīrtana movement…\n[break] …called Śikṣāṣṭaka. Śikṣā means “instruction,” and aṣṭaka means “eight.” He has given us eight verses to understand this Krsna consciousness movement, and I shall try to explain. Please hear attentively. The first instruction is, the Lord says, ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nI think I explained this several times, again, repeatedly. Just like we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa repeatedly; there is no, I mean to say, tiresomeness. These boys, they can chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra twenty-four hours, they will never get tired.\nThey will dance and they will chant. And you also, you try it. You will never get tired, because it is not material. In the material world, if you chant anything, any favorite name, for three, four or ten times, you will get tired. Yes, that’s a fact. But because it is not material, if you chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, you will never get tired.\nThe more you chant, your heart will be cleansed from all material dirty things. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇaṁ [Cc. Antya 20.12]. And the problems of your life within this material world… These are simple words, but it requires lots of explanation.\nWhat is the problem of our life? That you do not know. The modern education never gives enlightenment what is the problem of life. That is indicated in the Bhagavad-gītā, that those who are educated, advancing in knowledge, they should know what is the problem of life. The problem of life is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:\njanma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-\nduḥkha-doṣānudarśanam\n[Bg. 13.9]\n[Humility; pridelessness; nonviolence; tolerance; simplicity; approaching a bona fide spiritual master; cleanliness; steadiness; self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification; absence of false ego; the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; detachment; freedom from entanglement with children, wife, home and the rest; even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me; aspiring to live in a solitary place; detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization; and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth—all these I declare to be knowledge, and besides this whatever there may be is ignorance.]\nOne should always feel the inconvenience of taking birth, janma; mṛtyu, inconvenience of death; jarā, inconvenience of old age; and inconvenience of disease. Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi. So nobody is taking care. When one day they are diseased, they think, “All right. I am diseased. Let me go to the doctor, and he will give me some medicine. It will be cured.”\nBut he does not take seriously, “But I did not want this disease. Why this disease is there? It is not possible to make me free from the disease?” He never thinks. That means the intelligence is very low grade, just like animal. Animal, it is suffering, but it has no sense. It is brought before the slaughterhouse.\nIf the animal is seeing that another animal is being slaughtered before him, but still he is satisfied with a morsel of grass. He’ll stand there eating the grass. This is animal life. He does not know that “Next moment my turn. I shall be slaughtered.” I have seen it. In a Kālī temple I have seen the goats are sacrificed. So one goat is already there for being sacrificed; another goat is very happy eating grass. That’s all.\nSo similarly, Mahārāja Parīkṣit, er, Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira was asked by Yamarāja, “What is the most wonderful thing in this world? Can you explain?” So he explained, “Yes. What is that?”Ahany ahani lokāni gacchanti yama-mandiraṁ: “Every moment we see that our friends, our relatives, our fathers, our family members, our he or she died,” śeṣāḥ sthitam icchanti, “but the others, they are thinking, ’I shall live for ever.’ He never thinks that ’I shall die.’ He is satisfied.”\nThe same animal, he never thinks that “At the next moment I will be slaughtered.” He is satisfied with the grass, that’s all.\nĀhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithunaṁ\n[Hitopadeśa].\n[Both animals and men share the activities of eating, sleeping, mating and defending. But the special property of the humans is that they are able to engage in spiritual life. Therefore without spiritual life, humans are on the level of animals.]\nHe is satisfied with the sense gratification. He does not know that “I am also going to die. My father has died, my mother has died, my grandfather has died, he has died, she has died—so I have to die. Then what is after death? Oh, no.” So this is the problem, but they do not take it seriously. But Bhagavad-gītā indicates,\njanma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-\nduḥkha-doṣānudarśanam\n[Bg. 13.9]\nThat is real education. That is real education, to see that “I do not want to die. Why death comes?” That is real inquiry. “I do not want to become old man. Why old age comes upon me?” But they do not take it seriously. But Bhagavad-gītā says that this is the process.\nSo we have got problems, many problems, but this is the sum and substance of all problems,\njanma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-\nduḥkha-doṣānudarśanam\n[Bg. 13.9]\n[Humility; pridelessness; nonviolence; tolerance; simplicity; approaching a bona fide spiritual master; cleanliness; steadiness; self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification; absence of false ego; the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; detachment; freedom from entanglement with children, wife, home and the rest; even-mindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me; aspiring to live in a solitary place; detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization; and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth—all these I declare to be knowledge, and besides this whatever there may be is ignorance.]\nIn order to solve the problems of your life, Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇaṁ [Cc. Antya 20.12].\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nImmediately, the blazing fire of problematic life is extinguished. As soon as your heart is cleansed by chanting this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, the blazing fire of material existence immediately… How it is immediately extinguished? Because cleansing of heart means you understand that “I do not belong to this material world.”Brahma-bhūta [Bg. 18.54].\n[One who is thus transcendentally situated at once realizes the Supreme Brahman and becomes fully joyful. He never laments or desires to have anything. He is equally disposed toward every living entity. In that state he attains pure devotional service unto Me.]\nThat is ceto-darpaṇa. Now I am identifying with this material world: “I am Indian,” “I am Englishman,” “I am this,” “I am that,” because I am identifying with this material world. But if you chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, you will realize that you are not…, you are not this body. You do not belong to this material body or this material world, but you are spirit soul. You are part and parcel of the Supreme.\nYou are eternally related with Him. You have nothing to do with this material world. This is called liberation, knowledge. If I haven’t got to do anything with this material world, then that is liber… This knowledge, that is called brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā [Bg. 18.54]. Then I have no duty. Actually I have no duty. Because now I am identifying my existence, this body, with this material world, I have got so many duties.\nSo Bhāgavata therefore says that so long there is no self-realization, we have so many duties and debts also, devarṣi-bhūtāptaṁ nṛṇāṁ pitṝṇām [SB 11.5.41].\n[O King, one who has given up all material duties and has taken full shelter of the lotus feet of Mukunda, who offers shelter to all, is not indebted to the demigods, great sages, ordinary living beings, relatives, friends, mankind or even one's forefathers who have passed away. Since all such classes of living entities are part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, one who has surrendered to the Lord's service has no need to serve such persons separately.]\nWe are debted to the demigods. Demigods means… Don’t think it is fictitious; it is fact. Demigods we accept just like the sun, moon, the air. They are all demigods. Just like you have got director of a department. Similarly, for heating department the sun god is there; for air department the Varuṇa is there.\nSimilarly, there are departmental demigods. In the Vedas they are stated, they are controlling deities, so you cannot neglect them. Devas, ṛṣis. Ṛṣi means the great sages, philosophers, who have given us the knowledge. You are debted to them. And bhūta, ordinary living entities. So there…, we are debtor. As soon as we take birth anywhere, we are debtor to so many things. But it is impossible to liquidate all these debts.\nTherefore śāstra recommends,\nsarvātmanā yaḥśaraṇaṁśaraṇyaṁ\ngato mukundaṁ parihṛtya kartam\nnāyam ṛṇī ca na kiṅkaro rājan\n[SB 11.5.41]\n[O King, one who has given up all material duties and has taken full shelter of the lotus feet of Mukunda, who offers shelter to all, is not indebted to the demigods, great sages, ordinary living beings, relatives, friends, mankind or even one's forefathers who have passed away. Since all such classes of living entities are part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, one who has surrendered to the Lord's service has no need to serve such persons separately.]\n“My dear King, anyone who has taken shelter to the lotus feet of Mukunda,” śaraṇyaṁ, “who is worthy.” We take shelter. We take shelter of an officer. We take shelter of a physician. We take shelter of a lawyer when you are in trouble. We take shelter. Without shelter we are not existing, because the three-fold miseries are there: janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi. We have to take shelter. But the real shelter is Kṛṣṇa. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says that,\nsarva-dharmān parityaja\nmām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.]\n“If you take shelter unto Me, you haven’t got take shelter of so many things.” So one does, sarvam evaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3].\n[If one can understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the controller of all controllers, one can understand everything else.]\nSo this stage they taking shelter of Kṛṣṇa, the beginning is this chanting and hearing. Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ [SB 7.5.23].\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: Hearing and chanting about the transcendental holy name, form, qualities, paraphernalia and pastimes of Lord Viṣṇu, remembering them, serving the lotus feet of the Lord, offering the Lord respectful worship with sixteen types of paraphernalia, offering prayers to the Lord, becoming His servant, considering the Lord one's best friend, and surrendering everything unto Him (in other words, serving Him with the body, mind and words)—these nine processes are accepted as pure devotional service. One who has dedicated his life to the service of Kṛṣṇa through these nine methods should be understood to be the most learned person, for he has acquired complete knowledge.]\nSo our fervent request, humble request, to everyone who is present here and who is not present here, that is our very, very humble submission: padayor nipatya kṛtvā ca ahaṁ kāku-śataṁ bravīmi [Caitanya-candrāmṛta]. “I am flattering you. I am just falling down unto your feet. Please accept this,” he sādhavaḥ. \nThis is a verse by Prabhodānanda Sarasvatī, a great devotee of Lord Caitanya. He submitted this verse, that dante nidhāya tṛṇakaṁ padayor nipatya: “My dear sir, I have taken a grass in my mouth, and I am falling down on your feet, and I am flattering you hundreds of ways,”ahaṁ bravīmi, “I am submitting something to you.”\nSo those who are going to preach this philosophy, they have to adopt this means. Humbly, most humbly, submissive, padayor nipatya kṛtvā ca kāku-śataṁ ahaṁ bravīmi. He sādhavaḥ: “You are very nice man. You are very honest man, sādhu.” Sakalam eva vihāya dūrāt! “You give up all these nonsense things! Any nonsense, give up. Simply,”sakalam eva vihāya dūrāt caitanya-candra-caraṇe kurutānurāgam, “simply you submit unto the lotus feet of Lord Caitanya and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.” Thank you very much.",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Why is it that you have not approached the politicians of your own country, Mrs. Gandhi, and [indistinct], and told them of the mantra, and asked them to implement saṅkīrtana throughout India and throughout the Eastern world before coming to the Western world?",
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"content": "\n Because you are a great politician; therefore I have approached you. [laughter] Is that all right? Do you think [laughing] that politicians will be able to help us? Yes. So we…, I also approached Gandhi. I approached Mahatma Gandhi, that “Mahātmājī, you have got some influence over the world. Now we have got svarāja, independence. Now you give up politics. You preach Bhagavad-gītā.\nWherever you go, you take this Bhagavad-gītā, and your picture is there. Now you take seriously Bhagavad-gītā and you preach.” You see? But the disease is so strong that even Mahatma Gandhi, in his later days, he was not liked by his disciples like Patel and Jawaharlal Nehru. He was interfering, and—it is a great story—and perhaps he was killed for that purpose. So the material attachment is so strong that even Mahatma Gandhi could not give up politics, and he died for it. That’s all.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is for everyone, but it is for the fortunate person. Yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that one who has been freed, anta-gataṁ, “ended,”yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ, “sinful life”:\nyeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ\njanānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām\n[Bg. 7.28]\n[Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life and whose sinful actions are completely eradicated are freed from the dualities of delusion, and they engage themselves in My service with determination.]\nAnd one who is simply engaging in pious activities. So, te dvandva-moha-nirmuktā: he can become freed from all kinds of dualities and engage himself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He can. So it is very difficult also to accept this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, because this is the condition. Yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ. Pāpaṁ means… What do you mean by pāpaṁ? Sin. Just like what is criminality?\nCriminality means disobedience of the state law. Just like even if you do not know what is the regulation. Just like in America, the cars are driven on the right side; here on the left side. So even without knowing that cars are to be driven on the left side, you drive on the right, you become a criminal—knowingly or unknowingly.\nActually, we commit sins by ignorance. So it does not mean a sinful man is always sinful knowingly. No—unknowingly. Similarly, people are engaged in so many humanitarian works, so-called humanitarian work, but they do not know that they are engaged in sinful activities. They do not know. They do not know that they are engaged in sinful activities. Anything in the karma jagat is sinful. That is… It is not that I am manufacturing.\nYou see in the Bhagavad-gītā: yajñārthe karmaṇaḥ anyatra karma-bandhanaḥ [Bg. 3.9].\n[Work done as a sacrifice for Viṣṇu has to be performed; otherwise work causes bondage in this material world. Therefore, O son of Kuntī, perform your prescribed duties for His satisfaction, and in that way you will always remain free from bondage.]\nSimply you can act for yajña, or Viṣṇu. Otherwise you are criminal. That’s all. Either you become mahatma, this atma, that atma, if you do not act for Viṣṇu, or yajña, you are criminal. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ [Bg. 7.28].\n[Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life and whose sinful actions are completely eradicated are freed from the dualities of delusion, and they engage themselves in My service with determination.]\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is not easy also. It’s very difficult. But it has been made easy by the grace of Lord Caitanya. He has simply given us this chanting process: “You chant.” So any fortunate man who takes this seriously, he becomes freed from all sinful reaction and takes Kṛṣṇa consciousness seriously.",
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"content": "\n Haribol.\n You said in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness [indistinct] chant the mantra, and also that you can be [indistinct] fallen in this material world. Well, don’t you think that you’re mixing emotional…, people being emotionally aroused and being spiritually aroused?",
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"content": "\n For a Kṛṣṇa conscious person there is no material world. Do you follow? For a Kṛṣṇa conscious person there is no material world.",
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"content": "\n Why is there this material world then?",
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"content": "\n Yes, that you have to understand.",
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"content": "\n But why?",
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"content": "\n Yes, I will say you. I will say you. For a Kṛṣṇa conscious person—try to understand me—actually there is no material world. Just like the sky. The sky is one. There is no second sky. But when the sky is covered, that is called clouded sky. Try to understand me. The sky is one, but somehow or other, when the sky is clouded, it is called clouded sky, and you cannot see the sun. Similarly, there is no material things. Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśopaniṣad mantra 1].\n[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]\nBut when you forget Kṛṣṇa, that is material world. When you forget. Just like when you forget your state laws you are criminal. Otherwise there is no criminality. So this forgetfulness without Kṛṣṇa consciousness means material life and sinful life, and with Kṛṣṇa consciousness means there is no material life, there is no sinful life.",
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"content": "\n Well if everybody, when they come to the material world, and they all join your religion…",
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"content": "\n Material world means forgetful of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that’s all.",
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"content": "\n What happens to all the suffering, [indistinct] suffering because it’s part of the material world.",
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"content": "\n What is that?",
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"content": "\n She says what about all the suffering. If everybody sings and dances, what about all people who are suffering?",
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"content": "\n Those who are singing and dancing, they are not suffering. You may be suffering. That’s all. They are not suffering.",
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"content": "\n Well what do you do about the suffering?",
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"content": "\n No. Nobody is suffering in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n What about us then?",
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"content": "\n Well you are not suffering, but what about the other people?",
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"content": "\n Other people, let them take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that’s all.",
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"content": "\n Haribol!",
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"content": "\n Why they are suffering? Let them take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are canvassing for that. Why don’t you take it?",
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"content": "\n Is there anything you want, materially?",
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"content": "\n The only thing is forgetful of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that’s all.",
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"content": "\n Is the material world beautiful?",
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"content": "\n No, I told you. Just try to understand. Material world means forgetfulness of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That’s all.",
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"content": "\n No, Kṛṣṇa consciousness can come in… [break]",
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"content": "\n Where is material world? You do not understand what I explained. Actually there is no material world. When you are in forgetfulness of Kṛṣṇa that is material world.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa consciousness makes the material world more wonderful. Why God created the material world in the first place?",
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"content": "\n Try to understand what Prabhupada is trying to explain is simply that everything to a personalized being everything is spiritual but it is due to forgetfulness that things become material. Just like the rays of sunshine but to those people clouds are up there it seem that the sun is not shinning but factually the sun is always shinning.\nSimilarly God or Kṛṣṇa, He is always there and to a person who chants the mantra and takes to spiritual understanding he erases the dust or the clouds away so that he can always see Kṛṣṇa and his life becomes perfect and happy. The reason that it appears to you that there is a material world is simply because the clouds are in front of you. The material consciousness is still there. It is something that takes chanting, if you start chanting you will begin to see that the dust will disappear. The misery, the material consciousness will go the more you chant.\n But [Indistinct.]\n No. Try and understand, try and understand that the point is not that there is not physical. There is physical, there is form but there is spiritual form and material form. You should understand that we do not say that there is no form. We say there is form but we say that form is spiritual, you see and it only becomes material when you forget Kṛṣṇa and you use the form to satisfy yourself.\nJust like this microphone that Prabhupada is using it is spiritual because it is being used to glorify Kṛṣṇa but it can become material if it is used simply for someone’s own sense gratification. Everything is spiritual when it is used in the service of God, or Kṛṣṇa but it becomes material when it is simply used to satisfy your body or your mind.\n Yes, I see that. So you are saying that material things are spiritual really.\n Yes but it is misused. Everything has become misused in this world so now it has become material. When it is properly used again it will regain its original spiritual position.\n [Indistinct]\n If the use of each thing must be used spiritually for Kṛṣṇa.\n So it still exist in a spiritual form to us because that's how we see it?\n Yes. The way to help people who are miserable is to teach them who they are so that they will understand who they are and who God is and what their relationship with the Supreme is then he will be happy, not simply by beating their body.\n Yes sure but [indistinct].\n Yes that is what Prabhupada is explaining. We are spirit soul. We are servants of God, parts and parcel of God. We are spiritual by nature but we have forgotten our original position and we think now that we are material or this body. Therefore we are unhappy because we only try and satisfy our bodies. So if we will remember that we are spiritual then we will learn to satisfy our soul. That is understanding who Kṛṣṇa is.\n [indistinct] spiritual?\n Yes then it becomes spiritual once again.\n [indistinct]….",
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"content": "\n She says what will happen if she leaves here now and sings and dances on her way home, some policeman will her see her and think that she is mad and will take her and lock her up.",
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"content": "\n So you better dance with us. [Laughter.] The Policeman will not touch you. You dance with us.",
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"content": "\n I feel, I mean [indistinct] with the area in which I [indistinct] and several of the people [indistinct]. They will not consider [indistinct] spiritual, [indistinct] you have taken on Hindu religion [indistinct] ignoring they are material parts of the world [indistinct]…….\n Excuse me Maam, then what you should do the best thing if you are interested in chanting this mantra is that you don’t need to dance. Like for instance when we come here sometimes we are chanting quietly to ourselves so that it does not appear, perhaps it will appear strange if we dance.\nAnd then when we come into our temple or into a hall such as this then we dance where it would not be considered too much strange. But it is very strange on your way home when you are in your neighborhood. Then you simply chant softly to yourself and no one will take offence.\n ….take in to account the material world.\n No, ma'am. I am simply saying that if you feel that you need to take into account then you can do so but just as we chant in the middle of a street day in and day out and people are very much happy to see us and the police they go, “Oh Hare Kṛṣṇa.” So they do not think that we are mad at all. In fact. Many people say, “What are you doing?”\nAnd when we explain we are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa and preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness to all mankind they say, “That is very nice. Where is your temple so that we may come and find out more?” So, on the contrary neither do they think we are mad but they are interested to find out more. And I think if you would take to this you will find out that yes people will ask you what you are doing but if you have the answers, if you study carefully our philosophy they will be very much convinced and impressed by your condition.\n Anyway, why are you afraid of the chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa in this way even if you are taken to prison. What does it matter? Jesus Christ prayed to his Lord prayed to his God and he was crucified. He was killed for it. What is there to [indistinct]? How many followers has he got? [indistinct]\n Yes but you needn’t be killed for it simply dancing and singing.\n …you will have all the followers. You will get a reward for it. If you are really convinced about Hare Kṛṣṇa, really convinced go and do what you like.",
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"content": "\n So you can chant peacefully now.",
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"content": "\n [Indistinct.] [break]\n[Kirtan by Yamuna dasi begins.] [break]\nSo you are all very kind for coming here today. And it is very nice that you have come. Because just see. There are so many millions of people living in this big city but only twenty-five of all have come. But, in Kṛṣṇa consciousness just one sincere person will come forward and take fully the learning about Kṛṣṇa then we can understand….. [indistinct]\n[aside conversation between Prabhupāda and Yamuna]\nHe will benefit so many millions of people thoughout the world. So in two weeks from today on the fourteenth. On the fourteenth of this month we will be officially opening our Radha Kṛṣṇa Temple on 7 Bury Place. And at that time the Deities with be installed in our Temple and there will be big feasting all day long. And we are inviting all of you to come at that time to join with us. For the most fourtunate celebration.\n14th, of December. And, I must say we have still much to do in our temple and it is very much at the mercy of Kṛṣṇa that we will get everything done. And similarly we have many temples throughout the world and we wish to open many others. And because all of you are so sincere that you have come here today I am going to put this big request upon you all. If there was more of you then it would be easier but now, very direct upon twenty five of you. You must come forward if you can to help us in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\nPeople like this... [side coversation with Yamuna] there is no more, there is no more?",
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"content": "\nJust today I was told that if a person is very poor and takes to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness there is a chance that he might fall away. And if a person is very weathy and take to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness there is a chance that he may fall away. But, if a person is both happy, has the money and takes to Kṛṣṇa consciousness there is a good chance he will last and never fall. So all of you seem very happy people and you also seem so very, very wealthy people. Therefore I would like to put the following request upon you. That you will all take part in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness at this time.\nI will come around and I'm asking each of you to give large sum, a donation of [indistinct] one pound. And you may say that, that is very great and many time they come in here and this. But, I'll state to you that we have so many temples and we are teaching fifty of people to become God consciousness in this age. Once you people we are all the people teaching so simply by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa and we need your help.\nWe need the financial support, so please I'll come around and see if you cannot give ten shillings to one pound at this time which will help us so much in constructing a very beautiful temple that will be open to the public 24 hours every day. So please take this chance to take an active part in our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement it is for all people after all so we wish you to take part in it.",
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"content": "\nThank you very much.\n[aside conversation in English and Hindi]",
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"content": "\nThe fighting must be there, but that does not mean separation. I fought with my wife all along, yes, but there is no question of separation. I have…, I have since made provision for my wife. [indistinct] So one must be responsible. Marriage is not a joke.",
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"content": "\n In this country it is such a joke that it is hard for them to understand.",
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"content": "\nYes.\n[break]... Of marriage, there must be some struggle, but the marriage is required. They have introduced new [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n We have never had a single marriage in Hawaii.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n We have never had a single marriage in Hawaii, although we have been here two and a half years.",
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"content": "\nWhy?",
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"content": "\n I guess because… [laughs] I don't know. No one wants to get married. Because it's a serious thing; it is not taken lightly. [break]",
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"content": "\nWhy did not [indistinct]? [break]",
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"content": "\n Fourth of July, Independence Day weekend, so...",
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"content": "\nIndependence Day you are free?",
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"content": "\n No. But there's so much traveling that it becomes too...",
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"content": "\nCrowded.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So perhaps we will wait.\n 'Til Monday.\n Until Monday.",
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"content": "\nThere is very much crowd?",
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"content": "\n Pretty much.",
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"content": "\nPeople are coming or going?",
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"content": "\n Coming and going.",
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"content": "\nEverywhere this Independence Day will be observed?",
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"content": "\n Yes.\n In the United States.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n It is American Independence.",
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"content": "\nBut it is observed in New York especially, no everywhere?",
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"content": "\n Not particularly. In Hawaii they are shooting off firecrackers all night. Everywhere, everybody is throwing firecrackers.\n It sounds like a war, and it smells like gun smoke.",
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"content": "\nHmm?",
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"content": "\n It sounds like a war…",
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"content": "\nHmm.",
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"content": "\n …in Hawaii. It is so bad, firecrackers going all the time, it sounds just like a war. And you smell the powder, gunpowder.",
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"content": "\nEverywhere?",
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"content": "\n No, especially in Hawaii.",
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"content": "\nHawaii was included when America declared independence?",
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"content": "\n Oh, no. About five years ago. No, I think it was... I think it was 1960 it became a state.",
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"content": "\n1960.",
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"content": "\n There was 48 states for a long time, and then about the last 10 years, Hawaii and Alaska were added, made 50.",
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"content": "\nAt that time, before that, Hawaii was under some king?",
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"content": "\n No, Hawaii was a territory. It was a United States Territory, but it wasn't attached to the United States.",
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"content": "\nTerritory means, er, conquered?",
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"content": "\n Well, it was...",
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"content": "\nOccupied by force.",
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"content": "\n Well, it was purchased, purchased from Russia.",
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"content": "\nOh.",
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"content": "\n No, that was Alaska.\n Oh, Hawaii was…, yes it was, more or less taken over by Americans. It was also a territory.",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa. Somehow or other they are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Why don't you [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] Tomorrow is also [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n Yes, maybe. [indistinct]\n Yes, tomorrow is [indistinct].\n At what time? I wish I had known [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nWhat is this called? [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] so many [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Do you need a new sweater, Śrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\nHmm?",
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"content": "\n Do you need a new sweater?",
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"content": "\nI have got many.",
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"content": "\n Ah, never mind.",
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"content": "\nSweater I have got many now.",
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"content": "\n One.\n One. Is it that saffron one?",
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"content": "\nI got… Last year I got over one dozen.",
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"content": "\n But not here.\n You gave them all away.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n You gave them all away. [laughs]\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nI distributed some in London; I distributed some here.",
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"content": "\n [laughs]\nAnd in India there are still many.",
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"content": "\nHmm?",
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"content": "\nIn Bombay there are still many. There are so many clothes in Bombay from the devotees. One…, one girl here, she was asking what she could make for you. And I suggested that she should make a sweater. And she [indistinct]. The devotee that come in... come in said please [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nThat is nice. The spirit is nice.",
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"content": "\nSo I told one girl...",
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"content": "\nTo do something, to serve something, that is the way of understanding Kṛṣṇa.\nsevonmukhe hi jihvādau\nsvayam eva sphuraty adaḥ\n[Cc. Madhya 17.136]\nWhen you have the service attitude, then Kṛṣṇa becomes pleased. Whole process is service, according to one's capacity. So it is not required in that one has to serve in this way or that way. No. The spirit should be service to the best capacity. Take, for example, I came here with a service position, that I must give some service to my Guru Mahārāja, [background noise; moving microphone] not that I thought of success. But the spirit was that Guru Mahārāja told me I must do something, whatever I can. It may be failure; it may be success—let me try. This service spirit is the only goal. There is no other way.\nYou must be a servant—either you're a servant of māyā, or the senses, or Kṛṣṇa. You cannot become master. We are all servant. The so-called karmīs are servant of their senses, that's all. They're working so hard, being servant of their senses. The karmīs, they are servant of sex, that's all. That is their encouragement: they are working so hard, they will enjoy sex. That is their only solace. Is that not? What other things they have got to enjoy? The are simply suffering, simply suffering, working hard; their only satisfaction is enjoying sex. That is the center: the servant of sex. All karmīs.\nNot only karmīs, everyone—all animals, all beasts, everyone—servant of sex. And the human so-called civilization, they have made arrangement: big sex interest. They are advertising sex, their theater is sex, their club is sex, their home is sex. What do they know beyond sex? So they are servant of sex. Is it not? Servant of sex, senses. Sex is the ultimate sense, but there are many other senses. Tongue is sense, ear is sense, nose is sense, eyes are sense. Eh? Then genital is sense. The sense organs, different.\nSo everyone is servant. Somebody is servant of Kṛṣṇa, somebody is servant of sex. If you remain servant of the senses, you are never happy. If you became servant of Kṛṣṇa… You have to remain servant; you cannot be master. Rather, if you serve Kṛṣṇa then you become master of your senses. That is gosvāmī. To become servant of Kṛṣṇa means master of senses. So the senses cannot now order, \"You do this.\" \"No, I am engaged in Kṛṣṇa's service.\" Therefore he becomes master. Then he becomes gosvāmī. Go means senses; svāmī means master. When you become master of the senses, then you're gosvāmī. And when you become servant of the senses, you are godāsa.\nNow our whole process is become servant of Kṛṣṇa so that automatically I become master of the senses. There is no separatedness. One becomes servant of the king, he gets a post, master of the citizens. Is it not? Minister, big post, secretary. He becomes servant of the king or state but becomes master of the people, governor. So if you become servant of Kṛṣṇa, you become master. Otherwise you remain servant of senses. If somebody says that \"What is the wrong to remain servant of the senses? After all, I am servant. Instead of becoming servant of Kṛṣṇa, if I remain servant of senses, what is the wrong? Tell me.\"",
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"content": "\n They are never satisfied.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n They are never satisfied.",
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"content": "\nYes, that is the...",
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"content": "\n They are never [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nA little service to Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa is so kind and He is so much satisfied. And here, you go on serving... they're never satisfied. The servant of the world is said that he… My practical example, that I have made provisions for my wife and children so they can simply eat and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, but still they want me to become their servant. So dangerous [indistinct]. Hmm?\nEven if you keep them very nicely, still they will require your service.What does he do, what [indistinct]. Never happy. You cannot make happy, māyā's servant. But if you give little service to Kṛṣṇa, He immediately [indistinct], and immense profit. The māyā is so strong that you go on the best service, life long, we still we will find no satisfaction.\nTherefore the service attitude is the only process to elevate oneself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And this automatically. Why these girls and these boys, why you are all trying to serve? That is natural. It is natural. Kṛṣṇa is not directly contacted, so Kṛṣṇa's representative that, that attitude: \"Let me serve to the servant of Kṛṣṇa.\" That is good policy. And we have to accept this. We cannot deny it. The service spirit will be… Otherwise I don't require anyone's service, by living alone. And now we are creating so many servants of Kṛṣṇa, when they offer some service, we accept. [indistinct].\nActually I don't require service; I can remain alone. I was doing that, [laughs] actually. But when preaching was there, the creating servant of Kṛṣṇa, then I have to accept, to encourage them, to train them. That is spiritual master's business. But the service is accepted on behalf of Kṛṣṇa, not for personal benefit. I cannot accept any service for my personal account unless I serve Kṛṣṇa. I serve Kṛṣṇa means I make you a perfect servant of Kṛṣṇa. So I have to train. That is my...",
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"content": "\n Śrīla Prabhupāda, can I cut up one of these mangoes for you?",
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"content": "\nYes.\n[pause] Come on. Very good.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct conversation with Gaurasundara]",
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"content": "\nNo. [indistinct] What is that?",
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"content": "\n Govinda dāsī suggested that I peel like this, because sometimes there are some worms.",
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"content": "\nWorms?",
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"content": "\n Śrīla Prabhupāda, do they have worms in them in India? There is a little bug. It stings the skin, and if it stings the skin there may be some tiny, tiny worms.\n I should peel the whole?",
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"content": "\nNo.",
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"content": "\n Peel it off?\n He can't eat it like this.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n [laughs] That's how we eat it in Hawaii.",
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"content": "\nI am expecting [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n They might do it. They have done it before. No more? You want me to [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\nThat's all right.",
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"content": "\n [laughing] It's the sweetest sweetball I've ever had.",
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"content": "\nYes. Who has made it?",
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"content": "\n I think Śilāvatī.",
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"content": "\nŚilāvatī is good cook. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Would you like for me to cut it?",
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"content": "\nNo, no. This is [indistinct]. In mango season, my father used to purchase a full basket. In India they are sold in baskets. They were very cheap in those days. Three rupees, a big basket at least containing more than hundred mangoes, first-class mangoes. Otherwise one rupee, two rupees. So in our childhood we take each mango, and while playing, we were eating like this, in this way.",
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"content": "\n The children in Hawaii, they are always eating mangoes.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n Their faces are always yellow from eating.",
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"content": "\nI remember I was traveling with my father [indistinct] a train, and he gave me a big mango. At that time I was small, so all sides had become moist with mango juice, and when it is dried up, I was feeling so much inconvenience, but there was no water. Finally, I knew how to undo it. I remember that precarious time. [pause]",
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"content": "\n That's how we eat them in Hawaii.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n That's how we eat them in Hawaii.",
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"content": "\nHmm. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n I prefer to eat them that way. Gaurasundara will not eat them unless they are cut into little pieces.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n I prefer to eat them like that. But Gaurasundara will not eat mangoes unless they are cut into little pieces. They are juicy.",
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"content": "\nHow Kṛṣṇa has arranged. How is nicely cut, it is total juice. Still they cannot keep all.",
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"content": "\n They come in such abundance, just during the heat of the sun.",
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"content": "\nHmm?",
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"content": "\n They come in such abundance, just during the heat of the sun or whatever such fruit is needed.",
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"content": "\nIn Russia there was no mango, no fruit or nectar. Whatever you have prepared, you have to take from government's store. Stand up in the line, wait for one hour, two hours. And for meat, you can get easily.\n[long pause]\nManufacture such a nice thing in your factories. Then you say that there is no God. In the name of becoming scientist they are so fools and rascals. What do you think? Do you admit or not?",
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"content": "\n Yes. They sent...",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n Did you know the Russians sent three men to space for twenty-four days? Did you hear that?",
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"content": "\nI was…, I was hearing from Karandhara.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\nWhat happened? They are dead.",
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"content": "\n Yes. They were talking with them on the radio, and everything nice, and then when they landed they opened the capsule and they were dead. And they thought perhaps that's why they died. They think because they were in weightless condition, they could not return any more to the earth's surface.",
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"content": "\nAll nonsense. What is the benefit of sending a man in that condition? Simply propaganda. Unlearned. In that senseless way, why they come back on this planet? Why not other planet? What was the idea?",
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"content": "\n Oh, they want to establish a space station. They want to build like a building up in space, floating around the earth.\n They've completely lost their minds.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n They've completely lost their minds. They don't even know their ideas anymore [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nRāvaṇa tried to make a staircase for going directly to heaven, it is like that. Rāvaṇa said that \"Why there should be religious life for going to heaven?\" Just like they are also challenging, that \"Why one should be religious, godly, for being elevated to the heavenly planets? We shall go by missile.\" That is their plan. So this challenge of Rāvaṇa class of men is always there. You cannot conquer the laws of God or nature by Rāvaṇa's mentality.\nThat is not possible. You can try, but it will never be successful. So the result is instead of establishing a platform, they establish a dying. That is the natural result. But still they are proud of their science. Why don't you write?",
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"content": "\n Yes, I should write.",
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"content": "\nAnd they cannot explain why he died. What is the advancement? What is the next…, or what is the actual result of this expedition?",
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"content": "\n They become very depressed.",
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"content": "\nThey have written?",
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"content": "\n Yes. The whole Russian nation is shocked.",
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"content": "\nThen they will be depressed more and more. Your Lenin or Stalin cannot save you. They await more depression. In a godless country you will simply be depressed. Note it down. Māyā bhraṣṭa divesena[?]. When one becomes too much attached to the influence of māyā, they talk like that and become disappointed. Again attempt, another; again disappointment.\nThere is a story in India. There is a province, Orissa. The people of that province are very cowardly[?]. There is a story of the Orissan man that one man, he was quarreling with him, so he challenged him, \"All right, you have said you can slap me. Slap me. All right. I am [indistinct].\nSlap me.\" So he slapped in this way. \"Oh, you have slapped me. All right, you have slapped this side. I see you have slapped this side; again you slap this side.\" Still he said, \"All right, you have slapped enough. You can slap… Can you can slap my son?\" and slap. So the slapping is going on, and still he is challenging.\nThese rascals are like this. Nature's slapping is going on, \"All right, now better this attempt, and this attempt, this attempt.\" Exactly the same theory after [indistinct]. In every item they are being failure, but still, \"All right. Slap me. Attempt like this.\" The Americans, they advertise they have gone, and they brought some dust, without any profit.\nThey are also proud. And the Russians, they are killing so many men, and afterwards they are proud. \"All right, this was failure. All right, try again.\" The same slapping process. Nature is slapping, seriously, but still, \"All right, you have slapped in this way. Can you slap like this?\" [indistinct]\nThey are so shameless, shameless rascals. They have no shame even, that \"We have been proved, useless. You stop this rascaldom.\" No. They will, \"Another. Slap me in this way.\" That I have seen. This is going on. In every respect they are being slapped, but still challenging, \"All right, you can slap. You can slap me in this way.\" We have [indistinct].\nWhy they have become successful? Still they are proud of their learning. Simply wasting time and teaching others to waste time. This is going on. From time in memorial, Rāvaṇa's society like this. Hiraṇyakaśipu tried to become immortal. So these attempts are going on perpetually, but history proves that nobody has become successful. When this news came?",
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"content": "\n The one yesterday?",
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"content": "\nHmm. What was the heading?",
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"content": "\n \"Three die in space.\"",
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"content": "\nHmm.",
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"content": "\n In the Bible also there is somebody who tried to build a tower of Babel.",
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"content": "\nWhat is that story?",
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"content": "\n I don't know.\n They tried to build one tower to Heaven",
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"content": "\nAh. And what happened?",
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"content": "\n It failed. The whole thing broke.\n It smashed.",
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"content": "\n[aside:] What is that?",
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"content": "\nŚacī-suta Prabhu requests that you chant on some new beads for him.",
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"content": "\nWhy?",
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"content": "\nHe said he lost his old tulāsi beads a year ago, and he needed some others. That's why he asked. Also there is one set of beads from one prabhu on saṅkīrtana.\n[aside] So you like Gaura-śakti[?] Prabhu.",
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"content": "\nSo I am enjoying this mango in this way.",
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"content": "\nI am enjoying mangoes, so many mangoes. Can I ask you one more question, Śrīla Prabhupāda, about these initiations? Tomorrow's the last batch.",
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"content": "\nHmm.",
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"content": "\nThere are [counting] three, four, five, six… There are eight for...",
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"content": "\nHmm?",
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"content": "\nThere are eight for harināma initiation and nine for gāyatrī, but one of the names for gāyatrī is Loka-mālā, which you have just initiated, either today or yesterday, Loka-mālā. But she is supposed to be married to one boy who is a brāhmana this Sunday coming. She is supposed to be married to one boy who is a brāhmana, and so they are recommending her for second. Is that all right?",
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"content": "\nWhen she is [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\nShe is going to be married this coming Sunday.",
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"content": "\nThat is all right.",
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"content": "\nThat is all right?",
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"content": "\nSo building up the platform in space is faster?",
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"content": "\n Yes. If they go up, they cannot come back again. They have to stay there.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n If they go out and live on that platform, they cannot return again to earth. Because their heart can no longer pump; it becomes lazy, and when they return to the gravity the heart is smashed. So it means that if they go up there, then they have to stay.",
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"content": "\n [prema-dhvani]\nAll glories to the assembled devotees. All glories to the assembled devotees. All glories to the assembled devotees. Thank you very much.\n[00:55]\n[break] ...prakṛti saṁskāra, five sense organs. Karma-indriya, jñāna-indriya—five senses for acquiring knowledge and five senses for executing the desires. Everyone has got particular type of desire, and he executes that desire by five senses, just like hands, legs, genitals, like that. They are active senses. And five senses for acquiring knowledge: cakṣu, karṇa, nāsikā. By eyes you acquire some knowledge; by ears—just like you are hearing, acquiring knowledge through the sense of ears.\nSo there are five senses for acquiring knowledge and five senses for executing our desires. [indistinct Sanskrit] Five objectives of our sensual activities. Just like with eyes we see beautiful things. So this beauty of the form is the object of our sensual activities. Just like you can hear the Vedic sound, Vedic vibration, Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, or you can hear a cinema song. The ear is the instrument of hearing both the things.\nSo other philosophers—Buddha philosophers, Māyāvādī philosophers—both of them are Māyāvādīs, but there is distinction between Śaṅkara's philosophy and Buddha’s philosophy. Everyone is trying to stop these pains and pleasures due to our sensuous activities—all philosophers. No philosopher says that \"You go on with your sensuous activities.\" Lord Buddha, he was prince; he was engaged in very nice sensuous activities; but he gave up everything, his kingdom, when he sat down for meditation.\nWhy? To stop these sensuous activities and become subjected to the pains and pleasures of this material world. Otherwise he had no business to give up His kingdom. But that was his philosophy, that the sensuous activities would not help us. Then we cannot get liberty or... Salvation means to get out of the clutches of the pains and pleasures of this material world. Actually there is no pleasure; it is only painful. The other day I was speaking that udāna…, udāna?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] Yes. They are enterprising to colonize. Just like in European countries, the French, the English especially, or the Spaniards, they endeavored colonizing, and they colonized in America, in many places in Africa. Why they wanted to colonize, go out of their home? To get some land and derive some pleasure.\nSo in the beginning..., in the beginning or in the end, still, just like they have got America now, but it does not mean they have pleasure, they are in pleasure. When the attempt was colonizing, that was temporary; and after colonizing there was fight between the French and the Englishmen. Canada was divided, and United States was divided. So many. And after [indistinct], there were so many other problems. The latest problem is hippies.\nSo this is called māyā. Actually, everyone is trying to be happy by sensuous activities, but the result is unhappiness. But every philosopher can understand. The Buddha philosophy is that \"What are the senses?\" The senses are combination of this matter. My body, that is combination of these material elements: kṣitir ap teja marut vyoma, earth, water, air, fire. So their philosophy: that this combination is the cause of pains and pleasure.\nSo this must be dis-combinated. That is called nirvāṇa. And when the combination will be dismantled, there will be no more cause for pains and pleasure. That is the end of Buddha philosophy. And Māyāvāda philosophy is that the… It is not the combination; the combination is also there, but this combination is temporary. That's a fact. This combination is temporary.\nSo get out of this combination and be situated in your own original position, brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā. That is Śaṅkara's philosophy. He did not accept the Buddha philosophy. Buddha philosophy does not give any idea or any information of the spirit soul. Buddha philosophy deals only with matter, dismantling of matter. That is their philosophy. There is no information.\nJust like here in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam we get information that pañca kurute karma pañca vedātha pañcabhiḥekas tu ṣoḍaśena trīn svayaṁ saptadaśo aśnute [SB 6.1.50] So mind, and these five sense organs, and the working organs and the mind is eleven, and the five sense objects and the mind, sixteen, and the spirit soul, seventeen, sapta-daśa. Actually the enjoyer is the spirit soul. The spirit soul is the enjoyer, but these are active ingredients, pradhāna-puruṣa. Puruṣa, puruṣa is the spirit soul, and the pradhāna, the material nature, they are supplying the ingredients.\nWe are enjoying. What is this material activity? They are enjoying. This material, this house, \"I have got a very nice house, skyscraper.\" So I am the enjoyer. But I have selected all this iron, wood, earth, bricks, and there are these five materials; I take the earth and mix it with water, I dry it with fire, so brick is made. Similarly, the cement is made. Then we bring together and make a very nice house, and I think, \"I am enjoying. I am enjoying.\" I am not enjoying; I am spoiling my energy, that's all. The ingredients are supplied by nature, prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni. Prakṛti, in one sense prakṛti helps you, and you are thinking, or I am thinking, that I am the enjoyer, I am kartā, kartāham iti manyate [Bg. 3.27].\nActually prakṛti, according to the association... Everyone wants to have some skyscraper building, but not that everyone can construct it, because he is under the influence of the prakṛti. Prakṛti it will not…\n[aside:] What is this sound?\nSo actually prakṛti is helping me according to my karma and desire. I am under the influence of prakṛti, but I am thinking that kartāham, ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā [Bg. 3.27]. By false egotism I am thinking that I am kartā, I am enjoyer.\nSo the Buddha philosophy is partial, and Śaṅkara philosophy is also partial. Śaṅkara philosophy, impersonalist, to accept Brahman, the spirit. Buddha philosophy accepts only matter. But matter is not all—there is spirit. The Śaṅkara philosophy, they accept spirit, but he does not describe the spirit in his fullness. Śaṅkara philosophy, as soon as you become cognizant of your existence as Brahman, ahaṁ brahmāsmi, then all your activities stop.\nBut that is not actual fact. Here it is said, pañcabhiḥ kurute svārthān [SB 6.1.50]: \"The living entity is always active.\" Everyone is active. When the activities is not there, then superficially there is no activity. Just like meditation. There is not…, it is stopping the sensuous activities, but meditating that \"I have become God.\" That is recommended for a certain class of men. That is called ahaṅgropāsanā, pṛthaktvena. That is also not final.\nWhen one thinks, meditates, that \"I am one with God,\" that is also in one sense right. \"One with God\" means I am one with God in quality. The nature of myself and nature of God is the same. Not that I have become God. That is your foolishness. One has to realize, just like Kṛṣṇa says, mamaivāṁśo [Bg. 15.7]: \"My part and parcel.\"\nSo Kṛṣṇa, who is sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ, therefore His part and parcel must be sac-cid-ānanda. The gold source and the gold earring. [indistinct] my part and parcel. Gold mine, say, this is part and parcel. That's a fact. But the gold earring is not the gold mine. That is their mistake. The Māyāvādī philosophers commit mistake, that \"Because I am gold, therefore I am gold mine.\" That is their wrong conclusion. \"Because I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, therefore I am Kṛṣṇa.\" But the axiomatic truth is the part is never equal to the whole. That's [indistinct]. That they do not understand.\nTherefore Bhāgavata says, aviśuddha-buddhayā: their intelligence is not yet purified. They are still in ignorance. They are thinking that \"By knowledge I have become one with God,\" and they address between one another as Nārāyaṇa: \"I have become Nārāyaṇa.\" That is their mistake. \"I have become Nārāyaṇa\" means I have now realized my qualities. Not that I have become actually become Nārāyaṇa. No.\nNārāyaṇa is prabhu, vibhu, and we are very, very small, minute particles of Nārāyaṇa. That is also measured, how much small we are spiritually: keśāgra-śata-bhāgasya śatāda kalpitasya ca [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 5.9]. The tip of your hair divided into a hundred, and again one part of that, divide another hundred. That means one ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair. That is your dimension, spiritual dimension.\nSo Buddha philosophy is also not complete. That it is not complete does not mean that Lord Buddha did not know the philosophy. Just like a teacher who has passed M.A. but he is teaching in the eighth class A-B-C-D, that does not mean the teacher is A-B-C-D. The teacher is complete, but the students who are taking lessons from him, they are meant for A-B-C-D.\nSimilarly, any messenger, any incarnation, śakti-āveśa-avatāra, they teach according to the time and circumstance: deśa, kāla, pātra. That they do not consider. Therefore other groups beyond the Vedic group, they come forward to compete with the Vedic group without knowing their own position. That is their defect. Always remember this: the teacher is M.A., that's all right; but the students are not competent to take instruction of him. Therefore you find different types of religion.\nSo the Buddha philosophy and the Śaṅkara philosophy... Śaṅkara philosophy gives little hint about Brahman. But Buddha philosophy is [indistinct] the matter. But if you dismantle matter, then... That is also fact. When you enter into spiritual kingdom, you have to dismantle your material combination of this body. I think it is described in the Second Canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, how one has to dismantle. That is nirvāṇa. That is called nirvāṇa philosophy. And Śaṅkara gives his spiritual hint, therefore ahaṁ brahmāsmi [Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad 1.4.10]. That is also Buddhist version: \"Yes, I am spirit soul,\" but spirit soul, simply their understanding.\nJust like a patient. A patient suffering from disease; there are symptoms of disease. Now the symptoms are just fever. Fever…, if no longer there is fever, doctor says, \"Now your fever is now gone,\" but that is not final cure. There is no fever—that is not final cure. There may be relapse again. There may be relapse again. The final cure is when one is not only out of fever, but he is acting like a healthy man. Otherwise it is again there is possibility of… Why again?\nSuppose there is no fever, but he is lying down on the bed; he cannot do, act, anything, simply sleeping. So that is not cure. He must get up and become active. That is similarly in the spiritual life. Simply to understand that aham brahmāsmi—simply I have realized that I am Brahman, not this matter—that is not cure. You must engage yourself in Brahman activities.\nThat Brahman activities are this, as you are executing: always engage in Kṛṣṇa's service. That is Brahman activities. That is not ordinary activity.\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg. 18.54]\nThen one has actually becomes brahma-bhūtaḥ. The symptom is that he does not care any more for worldly pleasures and fame. That is brahma-bhūtaḥ stage, first class. If I have become brahma-bhūtaḥ and again I see, \"Oh, my countrymen are suffering. I must open some hospital. They are uneducated. I must open some schools...\" Why? If you have become brahma-bhūtaḥ… Na śocati na kāṅkṣati—where is that symptom? You are still lamenting. Na śocati na kāṅkṣati, that is the symptom.\nSo why you are accepting some place as your country? Actually, you do not belong to any country. Apparently you get this body, and as soon as your body is finished, your country is also finished. So why you are accepting a particular land as your country? That means you have not become brahma-bhūtaḥ. This is the proof. What do you think? This is a sign of brahma-bhūtaḥ: brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā [Bg. 18.54]. \nHe is happy. Na śocati na kāṅkṣati. Why you should be lamenting? Just like our [indistinct]—we do not wish to name—they are very highly learned, but they have fallen down to these material activities. They have fallen down to the material activities. That means they have not realized Brahman.\nBrahman realization is not so easy. Brahman realization means just like if you want to go to the sunlight, or if you are actually in the sunlight, then you can see the sunlight. Not that you have not seen the sun. Really Brahman realization: brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate [SB 1.2.11]. You have to still go further, further. Simply by brahmajyoti realization is not end of knowledge. You have to still go further—Paramātmā realization, localized realization. And then if go you still further, then you enter into the spiritual planets.\nThe same example: you come to the light, sunlight, but if you can see the sun globe, that is localized; similarly, Paramātmā is localized. Sunshine is brahmajyoti, and if you have got the power, then you can enter into the sun globe and see the sun-god there. That is perfection. Brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate. The sun-god, the sun globe and the sunshine, they are one. Vadanti tat tattva-vidas tattvaṁ yaj jñānam advayam [SB 1.2.11]. There is no difference; all of them are light. They are not darkness—either the sunshine or the sun globe or the sun god. But still there is difference. The sun-god is person, the sun globe is localized and the sunshine is impersonal.\nSo simply by impersonal Brahman realization, like Śaṅkara says, your knowledge is imperfect—you have to still go further. In the Īśopaniṣad it is said that \"My dear Lord, please wind up Your this glaring effulgence so that I can see You actually, Your face.\" So this Brahman realization is this yasya prabhā [Bs. 5.40]; it is the effulgence, rays of the body of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, brahmaṇo āham pratiṣṭha [Bg. 14.27]. This brahmajyoti, that is [indistinct]. Pratiṣṭhā: \"I am the source. It is standing on Me, it is depending on Me.\" Brahmaṇo āham pratiṣṭhā.\nSo the senses…, for a devotee, here it is said, pañcabhiḥ kurute svārthān [SB 6.1.50]. The devotees' business is, they are also pañcabhiḥ kurute svārthān, but they know what is this svārthā. Svārthā, what is this? Actual goal or actual interest. That is Viṣṇu. Therefore they haven't got to control the senses. One devotee, Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī, he said that,\nkaivalyaṁ narakāyate tri-daśa-pūr ākāśa-puṣpāyate\ndurdānta-kāla-sarpa-paṭalī...\ndurdāntendriya-kāla-sarpa-paṭalī protkhāta-daṁṣṭrāyate\n[Caitanya-candrāmṛta 5]\nVery nice verse. He is gradually… First of all he says, kaivalyaṁ narakāyate: \"Simply to understand that 'I am Brahman,' kaivalya, that is for us as good as hell.\" But not all can understand. Kaivalyaṁ narakāyate tri-daśa-pūr ākāśa-puṣpāyate. And the karmī's aim is to go to the heaven, heavenly planets, tri-daśa-pūra. Tri-daśa-pūra is just like a flower in the sky, ākāśa-puṣpā, or phantasmagoria, that which actually, it has no existence. So ākāśa-puṣpā, durdānta-kāla-sarpa-paṭalī. Kāla-sarpa indriya. The yogīs, they are trying to control the senses—dhyāna, dhāraṇā, yama, niyama... [break] [end]",
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"content": "\n\nom ajñāna-timirāndhasya jñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena tasmai śrī-gurave-namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who with the torchlight of knowledge has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance.]\nśrī-caitanya-mano-'bhīṣṭaṁ sthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale\nsvayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ dadāti sva-padāntikam\n[When will Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet?]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[My dear Lord, and the spiritual energy of the Lord, kindly engage me in Your service. I am now embarrassed with this material service. Please engage me in Your service.]\nnaiṣkarmyam apy acyuta-bhāva-varjitaṁ\nna śobhate jñānam alaṁ nirañjanam\nkutaḥ punaḥ śaśvad abhadram īśvare\nna cārpitaṁ karma yad apy akāraṇam\n[SB 1.5.12]\n[Knowledge of self-realization, even though free from all material affinity, does not look well if devoid of a conception of the Infallible [God]. What, then, is the use of fruitive activities, which are naturally painful from the very beginning and transient by nature, if they are not utilized for the devotional service of the Lord?]\nNow Vyāsadeva is discussing different kinds of literature. He has explained that any literature, however nicely prepared from rhetorical point of view, or poetical, metaphorical, grammatical, but if there is no information of the Absolute Truth, such literatures are useless, and no saintly person will take any interest in such literature. They give it up. Just like the swans, they do not take pleasure in a place where the crows can take pleasure.\nAs there is distinction between the crows and the swans, even in the bird's kingdom, or even in the animal kingdom... You'll find always. The different kinds of varieties of birds and beasts, they live together. Similarly, those who are saintly persons, those who are Kṛṣṇa conscious persons, their taste is different from the persons who are just like crows. Crows are interested in things carvita-carvaṇānām [SB 7.5.30].\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja replied: Because of their uncontrolled senses, persons too addicted to materialistic life make progress toward hellish conditions and repeatedly chew that which has already been chewed. Their inclinations toward Kṛṣṇa are never aroused, either by the instructions of others, by their own efforts, or by a combination of both.]\nPrahlāda Mahārāja says, \"chewing the chewed.\" Already it has been chewed, and if somebody wants to try it, \"Let me see what is the taste there,\" it is useless labor only.\nSo this material world is going on on the system of chewing the chewed. Just like a person, he has done very good business, amassed money, and sense gratification he has done. But he is not satisfied. But still, he'll induce his sons and grandsons to the same business. He has experienced that \"In this way, life is not very pleasing. I have not satisfied myself, but still, why I am engaging my sons and grandsons to the same business, chewing the chewed?\" But because they have no better information...\nna te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ\ndurāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ\n[SB 7.5.31]\n[Persons who are strongly entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is to return home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Viṣṇu. As blind men guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, materially attached men led by another materially attached man are bound by the ropes of fruitive labor, which are made of very strong cords, and they continue again and again in materialistic life, suffering the threefold miseries.]\nPrahlāda Mahārāja advised his father, atheistic father. He said... When his father inquired, \"My dear boy, where you got all these ideas?\" He was perfect devotee, and the father was perfect atheist. He said, \"This status is..., cannot be achieved without being favored by a pure devotee.\" Naiṣāṁ matis tāvad urukramāṅghrim [SB 7.5.32]. \n[Unless they smear upon their bodies the dust of the lotus feet of a Vaiṣṇava completely freed from material contamination, persons very much inclined toward materialistic life cannot be attached to the lotus feet of the Lord, who is glorified for His uncommon activities. Only by becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious and taking shelter at the lotus feet of the Lord in this way can one be freed from material contamination.]\nUrukramāṅghrim, aṅghri. Aṅghri means lotus feet. Nobody can be interested to the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead... Because to be become interested in the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead means to become liberated. Anartha-apagamaḥ yad-arthaḥ. Anartha. Anartha means unnecessary. We are creating unnecessary necessities of life and becoming entangled. This is material life. But if one becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious, interested in Kṛṣṇa, then he becomes detestful: \"What is the use?\"\nJust like our brahmacārīs, our devotees, they can lie..., lie down flat on the ground. They don't require any nice bedstead or cushion. Because the life is so molded, they think, \"Well, I have to take some rest. So in this way and that way, why should I bother about that?\" Yes. That is the sign of advancement in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa consciousness means bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra syāt [SB 11.2.42].\n[Devotion, direct experience of the Supreme Lord, and detachment from other things—these three occur simultaneously for one who has taken shelter of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, in the same way that pleasure, nourishment and relief from hunger come simultaneously and increasingly, with each bite, for a person engaged in eating.]\nThose who have no taste of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they are trying to be happy by unnecessarily increasing the material demands, because they have no other information. But as soon as one is engaged in devotional service of Kṛṣṇa, pareśānubhūti, he relishes some transcendental pleasure, and as a result of that, this nonsensical pleasure becomes insignificant. That is the test.\nA devotee can..., cannot be equally interested with material pleasure and transcendental pleasure. No. Virakti. Then Bhagavad-gītā also says that paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate [Bg. 2.59].\n[The embodied soul may be restricted from sense enjoyment, though the taste for sense objects remains. But, ceasing such engagements by experiencing a higher taste, he is fixed in consciousness.]\nJust like in a hospital a diseased person is forced not to accept a certain type of foodstuff. He has the desire. He has the desire to take such food. Just like a typhoid patient, suffering from typhoid. Doctor says that \"You cannot take any solid food. A little liquid food you can take.\" But he has the desire to take the solid food. \"Oh, doctor has asked me not to take such food. All right, what can I do?\" But he has got the desire. But a devotee, he hasn't got to be forced, just like the physician asks him, \"Don't do this.\" He automatically does so. Why? Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate: he has seen or he has tasted something better, for which he doesn't like to take any more this abominable taste. That is bhaktiḥ pareśānu...\nThat means when we become detestful such abominable things, then we should know that we are advancing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The test is in your hand. You haven't got to ask anybody, \"Do you think I'm increasing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness?\" But you can understand. Exactly in the same way: if you are hungry and if you are eating, you know, by eating, how much your hunger is satisfied, how much you are feeling strength, how much you are feeling pleasure. You haven't got to ask anybody. Similarly, if anybody increases his Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the test will be that he will be disinterested with all material pleasures. That is test.\nJust like Yāmunācārya. He was emperor. He was emperor, and his standard of living is very..., was very high. Standard of living, materialistic standard of living, means, high standard of living means unrestricted enjoyment of wine and woman. That's all. That is the standard. So he was addicted to all these habits. He was king. At his command everything was there. If, if a man is rich, three things..., four things will be at his command: wine, woman, gold and gambling. It is called. Yes. So therefore these are the places, I mean to say, allotted to Kali by Parīkṣit Mahārāja. Therefore a persons who is desirous of advancing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he should take care.\nSo that Yāmunācārya later on became a great devotee. So he has got... He happened to be the spiritual master of Rāmānujācārya. He became a great devotee, Yāmunācārya, in the Śrī-sampradāya Vaiṣṇavas. So he writes very nice... These are practical experience of the ācāryas. Yad-avadhi mama cetaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravinde nava-nava-dhāmany udyataṁ rantum āsīt... He was, in his previous life, very extravagant. So he says, \"Since I have taken to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and I am enjoying daily new, new transcendental pleasure, being advancing myself in that science, the result is,\" tad-avadhi, \"from that day, since that day,\" bata nārī-saṅgame...\nBecause he was accustomed to associate with women very much. \"So now, simply by thinking of this womanly association...\" Means sex life. He says, bhavati mukha-vikāraḥ suṣṭhu niṣṭhīvanaṁ ca: \"Oh, I hate. My face immediately becomes turned. Oh, what nonsense I used to do...\" So the bhakti, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the test is there. The more you become advanced, more you become, no more any interest in this material pleasure.\nSo ordinary literature, they're full with all this, I mean to say, grāmya-kathā. The man and woman's behavior, that is good literature. There is a hero; there is a heroine. So those who are saintly persons, they do not take interest. So Nārada was advising Vyāsadeva that \"You have written this Mahābhārata. That's all right. It is a great epic, history. But the, mostly... History means the ordinary dealings of the worldly men. So what benefit there is? That is nothing. No saintly person will take interest.\"\nActually, this Mahābhārata was written by this..., by Vyāsadeva for giving instruction, Vedic instruction, to the less intelligent class of men. He has given introduction, strī-śūdra-dvija-bandhūnāṁ trayī na śruti-gocarā [SB 1.4.25]\n[Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he compiled the great historical narration called the Mahābhārata for women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.]\n\"The Vedic knowledge is difficult to be understood by these classes of men and women: strī-śūdra-śūdra class, woman class, strī, śūdra; and dvija-bandhu.\" And dvija-bandhu means born in high family, brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, but their behavior is different, like śūdras. They cannot understand Vedas. Therefore there is restriction, that \"The śūdras cannot read Vedas.\" They are restricted.\nSo therefore Mahābhārata was written by Vyāsadeva. But Nārada says that \"This kind of literature will not appeal to the saintly devotees. So you write something for the satisfaction of the saintly devotees.\" And he is giving the instruction that \"Even such literature is written in broken language, not in the proper way from grammatical point of view, from poetic point of view, from rhetorical, still, because such literature is full with glorification of the Supreme Lord, saintly persons, they accept it, they hear it and they chant it.\"\nThen he says, naiṣkarmyam apy acyuta-bhāva-varjitam. Acyuta. Acyuta means Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa's name is Acyuta. You'll find in the Bhagavad-gītā. Arjuna says to Kṛṣṇa, senayor ubhayor madhye rathaṁ sthāpaya me acyuta [Bg. 1.21].\n[Arjuna said: O infallible one, please draw my chariot between the two armies so that I may see who is present here, who is desirous of fighting, and with whom I must contend in this great battle attempt.]\nHe's addressing Kṛṣṇa as Acyuta. Acyuta means \"not,\" and cyuta means \"falldown.\" So God never falls down; therefore God's name is Acyuta.\nThe Māyāvāda philosopher says that God has become man, being, I mean to say, complicated in māyā, being illusioned. But God is acyuta. God never falls down. Then what is the meaning of this acyuta? If God falls down, becomes under the clutches of māyā, then māyā is greater than God. Then how God is great? That is the fallacy of their argument. They say that \"I am God, but now I am under the clutches of māyā. As soon as māyā will be cleared, then I am again God.\"\nBut they cannot answer the question that \"Why? You are God. Why you are under the clutches of māyā? How you fall down?\" That answer, there is none. Because God is great, acyuta. He never falls down. Then how He can fall down? If He falls down under the clutches of māyā, then māyā becomes great, not God great.\nAnyway, Vyāsadeva, Nārada says that \"Even jñānaṁ nirañjanam...\" Nirañjana means... Añjana... Añjana means ointment or designation, something covering. So nirañjanam. If one is elevated in knowledge, then he becomes free from this designated life. Our material life is añjana life, or designated life. Añjana... Just like we decorate. I think I wrote one article in my Back to Godhead in India, \"Decoration of the Dead Body.\" This material qualification means decoration of the dead body. Actually the body is dead, but there are certain men who wants to decorate this dead body. In India also, still the custom is that in lower class men, when some of their relative dies—I hear that here also they do such—they decorate the dead body very nicely. Here also the same system is there?",
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"content": "\n So śāstra says that what is the meaning of this decoration? What benefit the man who is dead, what benefit he's getting? Suppose you make lips very smiling—but actually that man is smiling? [laughter] Similarly, in India also, the cobbler class men, they, during their life, they will dress very wretchedly, not spend money, but after death they will purchase some velvet and cover the body and very nicely decorate, and with band party they'll take, lead the dead body. Aprāṇasyeva dehasya maṇḍanaṁ loka-rañjanam [Hari-bhakti-sudhodaya 3.12]. \n[For a person devoid of devotional service, birth in a great family or nation, knowledge of revealed scripture, performance of austerities and penance, and chanting of Vedic mantras are all like ornaments on a dead body. Such ornaments simply serve the concocted pleasures of the general populace.]\nSo it may be very much pleasing to the relatives. Just like the dead body's decorated; the sons of that dead body may see him, that \"Oh, my father is smiling.\" [laughter] But he does not know where his father has already gone. You see?\nSo this material civilization is just like decorating the dead body. This body is dead. That is a fact. So long the soul is there, it is working, it is moving. Just like your coat: it is dead. But so long it is on your body, it appears the coat is moving. The coat is moving. But if somebody is very much astonished, \"Oh, how nice the coat is moving!\" [laughter] You see? He does not know the coat cannot move. The coat is dead. But because the man is there who is putting on the coat, therefore the coat is moving, the pant is moving, the shoe is moving, the hat is moving.\nSimilarly, this body is dead. It is numbered: this dead body will remain for such and such time. That is called duration of life. But people are interested with this dead body exactly like the cobbler class or these decorating men. So decoration of the dead body. Aprāṇasya hi... Aprāṇasya means dead. Aprāṇasyeva maṇḍanaṁ loka-rañjanam. Loka-rañjanam: \"It is very pleasing to the relatives.\" That's all. Similarly, to get liberation, nirañjanam—nirañjanam means to get out of this so-called decoration of the dead body—one requires to acquire knowledge.\nSo Nārada says,\nnaiṣkarmyam apy acyuta-bhāva-varjitaṁ\nna śobhate jñānam alaṁ nirañjanam\n[SB 1.5.12]\n[Knowledge of self-realization, even though free from all material affinity, does not look well if devoid of a conception of the Infallible [God]. What, then, is the use of fruitive activities, which are naturally painful from the very beginning and transient by nature, if they are not utilized for the devotional service of the Lord?]\n[aside:] Before the Deity, not like that. Yes.\nThat \"Even there is advanced knowledge for getting liberation, and if there is no mention of acyuta...\" Acyuta-bhāva. Acyuta-bhāva means bhakti, acyuta-bhāva. Just like here, in this temple, there is acyuta-bhāva. Acyuta-bhāva means Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There may be another room in the neighborhood, but the difference between this room and that room: here the atmosphere is acyuta-bhāva, Kṛṣṇa conscious. The other room is not that.\nSimilarly, Nārada says, \"Even high, elevated discussions of knowledge, how to get out of this designated or decorated body to self-realization platform, spiritual realization, but if that is acyuta-bhāva-varjita, if there is no mention of Kṛṣṇa consciousness,\" Vyāsadeva, er, Nārada says, na śobhate, \"that does not look very well.\" Therefore the devotees, they're not very much interested with the dry philosophical speculation, because there is no acyuta-bhāva. There is no Kṛṣṇa consciousness. They, they, they have been described as vāk-cāturyam, simply jugglery of words, Māyāvādī philosophical speculation. There must be acyuta...\nWe have got sufficient philosophy, but it is plus Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the difference, Māyāvāda philosophy and our philosophy. We are discussing also. The Bhāgavata, each line is full of philosophy, each line, practical philosophy. But there is acyuta-bhāva, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the beauty. Bhagavad-gītā, it is full of philosophy, but there is Kṛṣṇa in the center. This philosophy's not dry.\nOther philosophies, they're simply dry, because that is without Kṛṣṇa. In the... You'll find Buddha philosophy or Māyāvāda philosophy or Jain philosophy, they're philosophy, but simply dry. There is no God consciousness. There is no Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So here it is condemned, that naiṣkarmyam apy acyuta-bhāva-varjitaṁ na śobhate: \"It does not look very well. It is not first-class philosophy.\" Na śobhate.\nSo kutaḥ punaḥ śaśvad abhadram īśvare na cārpitaṁ karma yad apy akāraṇam: \"Then what to speak of those who are karmīs?\" The philosopher class, they are better than the karmīs, because they are searching after something. They are making research by knowledge. But the karmīs, they are simply satisfied just like animals. They have been described in the Bhagavad-gītā as mūḍha. Mūḍha. Na māṁ prapadyante mūḍhāḥ [Bg. 7.15]. \n[Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons, do not surrender unto Me.]\nMūḍha means ass. The karmīs have been described as ass, whole day working, a beast of burden. Simply, unnecessarily, they have piled up on their back so many work. They have no more interest, nothing, no more interest—neither philosophy, nor Kṛṣṇa, nor... Simply work hard and get some money and enjoy in eating, sleeping and mating. \"Eat, drink, be merry and enjoy,\" that is their... That is... They are called karmīs.\nSo Nārada says that \"Even great philosophers who are trying to elevate themselves in the self-realization platform, if that sort of philosophy is acyuta-bhāva-varjitam, without Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that does not look well. That is not first-class philosophy.\" Philosophy should be to search out Kṛṣṇa. That is philosophy. As it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ [Bg. 15.15].\n[I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas am I to be known; indeed I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.]\nWhat is the Vedic knowledge searching after? Kṛṣṇa says, \"Searching Me,\" aham. Aham eva vedyaḥ: \"I am the ultimate goal to understand.\"\nIn another place Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 7.19]\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\n\"Those who are actually philosopher, actually wise and attained wisdom, and after many, many births' research work...\" Research work is very good. But the end of research work is Kṛṣṇa. Therefore after many, many births, if one is actually wise and attained wisdom, then he finds Kṛṣṇa. Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19]: \"He finds that Vāsudeva, Kṛṣṇa, is everything.\" But sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ: \"But such kind of great soul is very rare.\" These are the statement of Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo the karmīs, they are mūḍhas. They do not... They are not wise. Unless one is wise, he cannot surrender unto Kṛṣṇa. Therefore Caitanya-caritāmṛta says, kṛṣṇa yei bhaje sei baḍa catura. Catura means very intelligent. Only the first-class intelligent men in the human society, they can take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness— not even second class, what to speak of the third class. The third-class men are karmīs, the second-class men are philosophers and the first-class men are devotees. So Nārada says that,\n...na śobhate jñānam alaṁ nirañjanam\nkutaḥ punaḥ śaśvad abhadram īśvare\nna cārpitaṁ karma...\n[SB 1.5.12]\n[Knowledge of self-realization, even though free from all material affinity, does not look well if devoid of a conception of the Infallible [God]. What, then, is the use of fruitive activities, which are naturally painful from the very beginning and transient by nature, if they are not utilized for the devotional service of the Lord?]\nThen what to speak of the karmīs? Their whole life is abhadra. Abhadra means abominable. Just like when earning money, I want to earn, say, millions of dollars. So I have to make plan. I have to go to black market, this and that, so many things. Then if I earn money, then how to invest it to make it double? Then how to keep it? Which bank I shall keep it so that my money will be safe? How I shall distribute it? So abhadra. \nAbhadra means the whole procedure is simply abominable, beginning to the end, karmīs—simply full of anxieties: \"How to earn money? How to distribute it? How to keep it? How to spend it? How to utilize it?\" Therefore, it is advised that saintly persons, those who are, they should avoid money. As soon as... Money is great māyā. As soon it comes in my possession, then the same thing will come: \"How to utilize it? How to do this? How to do that? How to do that?\"\nSo Śrīdhara Svāmī says that evaṁ bhūta-vijñānam acyuta-bhāva-varjitaṁ cet alaṁ tata na śobhate tadā sat-sādhana kāle phala kāle ca abhadraṁ duḥkha duḥkham yat kāmam[?]. Lust. We require money for fulfilling our lust. So it is, beginning, from the beginning to the end, it is abominable. Yadyapy akatak ceti cakarasya anvaya[?]. So therefore we should employ our money for Acyuta, for Kṛṣṇa. Then it will be nice.\nOtherwise, it will be simply abominable. How money can be utilized for Kṛṣṇa? How? If somebody says, \"It is the same money. How, by spending it for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it become nice?\" The question may be raised: \"The money is the same. How you say that when it is employed in Kṛṣṇa conscious business, it is nice, and when it is not employed, it is bad? Money is the same.\" The reply is there. Bhāgavata says.\nWhat is that reply? Now, cikitsitam. The example is given: just like milk. If you take... Milk is very nice food, but if you take more, then there will be disorder of the bowel. If you, by greediness, you take more milk, then there will be bowel complaint. Yes. Then, when there is bowel complaint, you go to physician. Then he gives you prescription: another milk preparation. What is that? Yogurt. If you say to the physician, \"Well, I am suffering by taking milk preparation, and you are giving another milk preparation. How it will be cured?\" No, it will be cured.\nSimilarly, this material world, there is different type of use. As soon as you use it for your sense gratification, you'll be affected with material disease. And if you use it for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it will elevate you to the liberated condition. Just like the same example: in your diseased condition, if you go on again taking milk preparation as it is, then it will increase your bowel complaint, but if you take in another form, in prasādam, under the direction of the authority, then you..., the same thing, the same enjoyment, that is, material, will elevate you to the liberated stage.\nSo we should employ... Without Kṛṣṇa, either philosophy or karma or jñāna or yoga, they are useless. Nārada says that \"You should write books simply describing about Acyuta, or Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\" He says,\natho mahā-bhāga bhavān amogha-dṛk\nśuci-śravāḥ satya-rato dhṛta-vrataḥ\nurukramasyākhila-bandha-muktaye\nsamādhinānusmara tad-viceṣṭitam\n[SB 1.5.13]\n[O Vyāsadeva, your vision is completely perfect. Your good fame is spotless. You are firm in vow and situated in truthfulness. And thus you can think of the pastimes of the Lord in trance for the liberation of the people in general from all material bondage.]\n\"Now, you are mahā-bhāga. You are most fortunate man.\" Vyāsadeva is not ordinary. Just see. Nārada is his spiritual master. He's not ordinary man. And besides that, he is taken as incarnation of God, mahā-bhāga. Atho mahā-bhāga bhavān amogha-dṛk: \"Your vision is without any sin.\" Because he has dedicated his life to present the Vedic literature for the benefit of the human society, that \"They have forgotten God, Kṛṣṇa. Let me help.\" Therefore, he is trying to give all this Vedic literature.\nThat is the duty of all devotee, to give literature so that people may take benefit out of it. Just like about the Gosvāmīs, it is stated about the Gosvāmīs,\nnānā-śāstra-vicāraṇaika-nipuṇau sad-dharma-saṁsthāpakau\nlokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau tri-bhuvane mānyau śaraṇyākarau...\nvande rūpa-sanātanau raghu-yugau srī-jīva-gopālakau\n[Śrī Ṣaḍ Gosvāmy Aṣṭaka 2]\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the six Gosvāmīs, namely Śrī Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrī Sanātana Gosvāmī, Śrī Raghunātha Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, Śrī Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Śrī Jīva Gosvāmī, and Śrī Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, who are very expert in scrutinizingly studying all the revealed scriptures with the aim of establishing eternal religious principles for the benefit of all human beings. Thus they are honored all over the three worlds and they are worth taking shelter of because they are absorbed in the mood of the gopīs and are engaged in the transcendental loving service of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa.]\nThe six Gosvāmīs, they engaged themselves in literary work. Nānā-śāstra-vicāraṇaika. They are... You'll find in Rūpa Gosvāmī's books, oh, how many references are there, from Purāṇas, from Vedas, from this literature, that literature. Highly, great scholars. So that is one of the duty. We have given the list of qualification of a devotee. One of the qualification is poetic. Poetic means not write poetry; poetic means literary man. They must give literature. Naturally they'll give. That is the nature of devotee. Because without literature, how can we enlighten the people at large?\nMy Guru Mahārāja used to say that this press is bṛhad-mṛdaṅga. Bṛhat means bigger, at large, bigger mṛdaṅga, bigger. Just like we are playing mṛdaṅga. This mṛdaṅga can be vibrated in the neighboring quarter, but our mṛdaṅga, Back to Godhead, that will go far, far away. So therefore this press was considered by my Guru Mahārāja as bṛhad-mṛdaṅga. He said. You'll find in the picture: there is this mṛdaṅga and press. He was very much fond of press. In the very beginning of his this life, he started one press. You'll find in his life a small press.\nSo this press propaganda, this literary propaganda, is required, because it is not sentiment. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not sentiment. It is not that some sentimental people have gathered here and dancing and chanting. No. There is background. There is philosophical background. There is theological understanding. It is not blind or sentimental. So therefore Nārada advises Vyāsadeva that \"You are not only fortunate, but you are amogha-dṛk. Your vision is perfect because you are liberated.\" Amogha.\nOur vision—we are not perfect. Therefore you'll find in Vedic version, anuśṛṇuyet, anuvarṇayet. Anu. Anu means following. Following. We have to follow the ācāryas. Just like Vyāsadeva. Amogha-dṛk: his vision is without any impediment. There are four kinds of impediments for the conditioned soul. What are those? That we are subjected to commit error. Any man will commit error, because he's conditioned; he'll be illusioned; and he will try to cheat; and his senses are imperfect. These four imperfectness of a conditioned soul. Anywhere, you take any great man, any big man, he has got these four imperfection.\nTherefore without liberated man, you cannot get real knowledge. Therefore you'll find even the so-called scientists, astrologer and the astronomer, or... They're studying this nature, \"Perhaps,\" \"It might be,\" because they have no clear vision. And another scientist comes, they changes. But you'll find in the Vedic literature, everything clear understanding. Just like the Vedic literature says the division of the living entities: jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi [Padma Purāṇa].\n[There are 900,000 species living in the water. There are 2,000,000 nonmoving living entities [sthāvara] such as trees and plants. There are 1,100,000 species of insects and reptiles, and 1,000,000 species of birds. As far as quadrupeds are concerned, there are 3,000,000 varieties, and there are 400,000 human species.]\nAccurate number is given, that \"There are 900,000 species of life in the water.\" Accurate. So they might have said ten..., one million, or 800,000. No. Nine hundred thousand. Nine hundred thousand. Because it's accurate. Amogha-dṛk, they have been placed. How it has been acquired? The..., the same process: paramparā, amogha-dṛk. If you receive knowledge from the person who is liberated, then it is all right.\nSo Vyāsadeva is liberated person. Amogha-dṛk. He's amogha-dṛk. Bhavān amogha-dṛk śuci-śravāḥ. \"And your behavior is pure,\" śuci-śravāḥ. \"You have heard the Vedic knowledge from right sources, from pure sources.\" Śuci-śravāḥ satya-rataḥ. Satya-rataḥ means \"You are dedicated to the Absolute Truth.\" These are the qualification. One must be liberated, one must be pure, one must be dedicated to the service of the Lord, and dhṛta-vrataḥ, and one must be determined. Then he can do something to the human society. Not a conditioned soul, by whims he can manufacture something, that \"I can do something to the human...\" It is not possible.\nHere are the qualifications, that,\natho mahā-bhāga bhavān amogha-dṛk\nśuci-śravāḥ satya-rato dhṛta-vrataḥ\nurukramasyākhila-bandha-muktaye...\n[SB 11.5.13]\n[O Vyāsadeva, your vision is completely perfect. Your good fame is spotless. You are firm in vow and situated in truthfulness. And thus you can think of the pastimes of the Lord in trance for the liberation of the people in general from all material bondage.]\n\"If you actually desire to get this suffering humanity to become liberated from all kinds of material bondage, then, samādhinā...\" Samādhinā: in samādhi, in trance. Samādhinā, anusmara. Here the same thing, anusmara. The, as I told you before, anu. Anu means following. Just like Vyāsadeva. Even after so many qualification, he has a spiritual master, Nārada. Not that because he's incarnation of God, not that because he's so learned, so great scholar and śuci-śravāḥ, and dedicated his life for the benefit of the human society—so many good qualification—still, you see practically: he has got a spiritual master, and—Nārada—and he's giving instruction.\nSo this is necessary. Therefore it is said samādhinā, means \"Don't manufacture your meditation.\" Samādhi, this trance by meditation, cannot be attained by something manufacturing. Anu: \"Just follow the great predecessor ācārya.\" Samādhinā anusmara tad-viceṣṭitam. Tat means the acyuta, acyuta, the activities of the Lord. Therefore we have to learn Kṛṣṇa consciousness through the disciplic succession.\nOur this sampradāya, the Gauḍīya-sampradāya, is also in the same line—Nārada, Vyāsadeva. Nārada is the disciple of Brahmā. It is, therefore, called, this sampradāya... This party is called Brahma-sampradāya.\nBrahma-madhva-gauḍīya-brahma-sampradāya. Originally from Brahmā. Brahmā instructed Nārada. You'll find in this Bhāgavata, Brahmā is instructing Nārada.\nNow you see Nārada is instructing Vyāsadeva. Similarly, Vyāsadeva instructed Madhva Muni. Now, Madhva Muni, by disciplic succession, Mādhavendra Purī. Now, Mādhavendra Purī instructed Īśvara Purī. Īśvara Purī instructed Lord Caitanya. Lord Caitanya instructed the six Gosvāmīs. The six Gosvāmīs instructed Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja. Kṛṣṇadāsa instructed Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura. Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, Viśvanātha Cakravartī. Viśvanātha Cakravartī, Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī. In this way, there is a clear line of disciplic succession.\nSo that is recommended here, that samādhinā. Samādhinā, meditation, anusmara: \"Don't manufacture your meditation.\" Just like there are so many meditators, they have manufactured their own way of meditation. That is not recommended. Anusmara. Anu means \"Follow. You become thoughtful, you think, but taking the instruction from higher authority.\" Just like Arjuna is taking instruction from Kṛṣṇa.\nHe is thinking, \"Whether I shall fight or not fight?\" So you become thoughtful—that's very nice—but don't be thoughtful without accepting a spiritual master. That thoughtfulness will not help you, because you are conditioned. You are..., you have got the four kinds of defects. So that defect will not... Simply by becoming philosopher, speculator, will not help you. Athāpi te deva ciraṁ vicinvan [SB 10.14.29].\n[My Lord, if one is favored by even a slight trace of the mercy of Your lotus feet, he can understand the greatness of Your personality. But those who speculate to understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead are unable to know You, even though they continue to study the Vedas for many years.]\nYou cannot understand God for millions and millions of thinking. No. It is not possible.\npanthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara-sampragamyo\nvāyor athāpi manaso muni-puṅgavānām\n[Bs. 5.34]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, only the tip of the toe of whose lotus feet is approached by the yogīs who aspire after the transcendental and betake themselves to prāṇāyāma by drilling the respiration; or by the jñānīs who try to find out the nondifferentiated Brahman by the process of elimination of the mundane, extending over thousands of millions of years.]\nThat is stated in the Brahma-saṁhitā, muni-puṅgava. Muni-puṅgava means \"the greatest of all thoughtful men.\" Muni means mental speculator, and puṅgava means first class, the highest, topmost. Puṅgava. So if such thoughtful speculators go on speculating about understanding God... How? Vāyor athāpi manasaḥ: in the speed of, in the velocity of air and mind. Not sputnik. A sputnik can run... Your mechanical can run, say, eighteen thousand miles per hour, but the air, that can run still more quicker. And the mind can run still more quicker.\nSo here it is recommended that if one is seated not on the ordinary aeroplane, but the aeroplane of air... The yogīs can do that. The yogīs know how to rise on the aeroplane of air, and they can immediately transfer to any planet. Vāyoḥ. Vāyor athāpi. There were... There were planes made of air. Here...\nJust like now we have manufactured the planes, iron or aluminium, but there are planes of air, and similarly, there are planes of mind. You see? So that..., these are explained in the Brahma-saṁhitā. Vāyor athāpi manaso muni-puṅgavānām. And manufactured by greatest, stalwart thinker or scientist. And going in this speed for many, many thousands of years—still, you cannot reach where is Kṛṣṇaloka.\npanthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara-sampragamyo\nvāyor athāpi manaso muni-puṅgavānām\nso 'py asti yat-prapada-sīmny avicintya-tattve\n[Bs. 5.34]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, only the tip of the toe of whose lotus feet is approached by the yogīs who aspire after the transcendental and betake themselves to prāṇāyāma by drilling the respiration; or by the jñānīs who try to find out the nondifferentiated Brahman by the process of elimination of the mundane, extending over thousands of millions of years.]\nStill... Just like when we go to the..., by airplane above the cloud, we see, still, the sky is unlimited. That is our experience. Still, the sunshine is unlimited, and we do not know where is the sun. Similarly, if one goes on the plane of mind and air, try to find out the Absolute Truth, it is not possible. Even many, many years. No, no. Still it remains avicintya-tattve, still inconceivable.\nBut this process, if you take anu... Anuvarṇaye. If you take the process of... Just like the same example, as I told you, that there are 900,000's species of life in the water. Now, if you make research, it is impossible for you, whether actually... If you want to..., want to know by experimental knowledge, \"Let me see how far this Vedic instruction is right, that there are 900,000 species of...,\" you, you..., whatever experience you have got, it is not even one thousand species of life you have seen. But there are 900,000 species of life. But if we accept this Vedic knowledge, then your knowledge is there immediately.\nSo thing is that we have to take knowledge from the perfect. Then, even it is very difficult, but the knowledge is there. Even it is very difficult. Just like we are taking knowledge from Kṛṣṇa. By our own effort, by the plane of mind and plane of air, we cannot reach where is Kṛṣṇaloka. But Kṛṣṇa says that mad-yājino 'pi yānti mām [Bg. 9.25]\n[Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live with Me.]\n\"Those who are My devotees, they can reach to My planet.\" So at least we know that Kṛṣṇa has got a planet, and if we take to devotional service, then we can go. Then why not try? There is no loss, but if there is such gain that we can go to Kṛṣṇaloka, so why not take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, simply chanting and dancing and taking prasādam? Is it very difficult job? The authority is Kṛṣṇa. It is confirmed by Vyāsadeva. It is confirmed by Nārada. It is confirmed...\nTherefore Arjuna says that \"Kṛṣṇa, whatever You are speaking in the Bhagavad-gītā, I accept in toto.\" That is study of Bhagavad-gītā. I do not select, \"Oh, this portion is nice. I accept.\" Ardha-kukkuṭī-nyāya [Cc. Ādi-līlā 5.176]\n[“If you have faith in one but disrespect the other, your logic is like the logic of accepting half a hen.]\n\"The back portion is nice. It is giving, the hen, daily, one egg. It is very nice. And the mouth portion is expensive. Cut it.\" The fool does not know if you cut this portion, that portion will be stopped also. So these, all these ordinary commentator... Just like Gandhi. He wanted to prove his nonviolence some way or other from Bhagavad-gītā. How he can prove? This is the same thing, that he was finding out, \"If there is something, simply cutting the head, if I can get egg?\" That is not possible. That is not...\nIf... We have to accept Bhagavad-gītā just like Arjuna says, that sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye yad vadasi keśava [Bg. 10.14]\n[O Kṛṣṇa, I totally accept as truth all that You have told me. Neither the gods nor demons, O Lord, know Thy personality.]\n\"My dear Kṛṣṇa, Keśava, whatever You are saying, I accept in toto. And this is confirmed by such authorities like Devala, Vyāsa, Asita. It is not that because we are friends, I am accepting You, but I know it is confirmed by such great authorities like Nārada, Asita, Vyāsa.\"\nSo we have to follow. This is called anu. Anu means following. Therefore it is recommended by Nārada that samādhinā anusmara: \"You try to understand the activities of the Supreme Personality of Godhead by samādhi, by trance, meditation, by following the instruction of me, or predecessors, like that.\" This is the way.\nThat's all right. [end]",
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"content": "\n\nbrahmārpaṇaṁ brahma havir\nbrahmāgnau brahmaṇā hutam\nbrahmaiva tena gantavyaṁ\nbrahma-karma-samādhinā\n[Bg 4.24]\n[A person who is fully absorbed in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is sure to attain the spiritual kingdom because of his full contribution to spiritual activities, in which the consummation is absolute and that which is offered is of the same spiritual nature.]\nThis verse we have been discussing in our last meeting about the sacrifice. And there are different types of sacrifice recommended according to the different classes of men. There are generally three classes of human being: those who are under the influence of the modes of goodness, and those who are under the modes of passion, [coughs] and those who are under the modes of ignorance.\nThe whole Vedic scriptures, they are also divided into three divisions according to these modes of material nature. There are eighteen Purāṇas. Purāṇas means supplementary to the Vedas. The Vedas, they are written in very difficult language, but in order to explain them to the ordinary persons there are Purāṇas, Mahābhārata, Rāmāyaṇa... \n[coughs] [aside:] It is disturbing to me. [pause]\nThe Vedic principle is described... According to these modes of material nature, there are eighteen Purāṇas. Out of that, six Purāṇas are in the modes of goodness, and six Purāṇas are in the modes of passion, and six Purāṇas are in the modes of ignorance. So there are different varieties of sacrifices according to the different class of men. The whole idea of Vedic literature is to give chance to every human being to develop a spiritual consciousness under certain rules and regulation.\nSo what is applicable to the persons who are in the modes of ignorance, they are not applicable to the persons who are in the modes of goodness; or those who are in the modes of passion, they are not applicable to the modes of goodness. The gradual process of evolution.\nNow, just like there are recommendations of animal sacrifice. There are many different types of sacrifice. There is recommendation of animal sacrifice also in the Vedic literatures. And what is that? That is a sort of restriction to the animal-eaters. Indirectly it is restriction, but it is sanctioned also by sacrifice in the Vedas. Just like the Vedic principle says that if you want to eat flesh, don't eat flesh which is not offered in the sacrifice. Which is not offered in the sacrifice.\nNow, those who have been in India, perhaps you have seen the goddess Kālī. The goddess Kālī, before the goddess Kālī a goat sacrifice is... and is offered. But the Vedic principle says that if you want to take flesh, then you must sacrifice the goat before the goddess Kālī and then you can take. And that prescription is also very difficult, because on the dark moon night the goat has to be sacrificed, and there are so many paraphernalia, and the mantra, the hymns chanted there... The goat is, I mean to, whispered within the ear that \"The man who is sacrificing you, he will be responsible for your life, and for yourself, you are going to get the next life as human being without waiting for the evolutionary process.\"\nThe animals... There is an evolutionary process. That is accepted in Darwin's theory also, anthropomorphism. What is that? Anthropology. Yes. Not anthropomorphism. Anthropology. Anthropology, there is evolutionary process. So that is accepted in the Vedic literature also.\nSo the animal which is sacrificed, he gets immediately his evolutionary process developed and promoted from animal life to human life. But the man who is offering that sacrifice, he becomes responsible. These are therefore there are so many hymns in the Vedic literature. So whole idea is that by offering such sacrifices man is restricted from flesh-eating.\nSimilarly, there are many kinds of sacrifices, they are described here. I think those descriptions may not be very elaborately described, but I will give you the idea.\ndaivam evāpare yajñaṁ\nyoginaḥ paryupāsate\nbrahmāgnāv apare yajñaṁ\nyajñenaivopajuhvati\n[Bg 4.25]\n[Some yogīs perfectly worship the demigods by offering different sacrifices to them, and some of them offer sacrifices in the fire of the Supreme Brahman.]\nśrotrādīnīndriyāṇy anye\nsaṁyamāgniṣu juhvati\nśabdādīn viṣayān anya\nindriyāgniṣu juhvati\n[Bg 4.26]\n[Some of them sacrifice the hearing process and the senses in the fire of the controlled mind, and others sacrifice the objects of the senses, such as sound, in the fire of sacrifice.]\nYajña-dāna-tapaḥ-kriyā. Yajña-dāna-tapaḥ-kriyā na tyājyaṁ kāryam kartavyaṁ. This is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā that yajña, sacrifice; charity, dāna. Yajña, dāna and tapaḥ, tapaḥ. Tapaḥ means penance.\nNow, there are four divisions of human society according to Vedic literature: the brahmacārī, the gṛhastha, the vānaprastha and the sannyāsa. The brahmacārī means the student life, more or less. Student life. And gṛhastha means those who are leading family life, after the student life. And vānaprastha means retired life. And the sannyāsa means renounced order; they have no connection with worldly activities. So these are four different stages of human social orders.\nNow, the brahmacārī, they are meant for sacrifice, the students. The students are recommended to sacrifice, especially to sacrifice sense gratification. The students are... Formerly, they were in the guru-gṛha, spiritual master's place, and they had to undergo severe types of regulations. So a brahmacārī is expected to go to every householder and beg. There was no system of schooling, there was no system for payment. The spiritual master, or the teacher, he did not accept any payment in pound, shilling, pence. That was not accepted. Because mostly brāhmaṇas, they used to become the teachers. So they were not accepting any salary. The brāhmaṇas are forbidden to accept any service.\nSo the education was free. To every student, education was free. And village to village, education was... So in former days—even fifty years before I have seen in villages—there was some small school, and all the village boys, they were coming and they are taking education. So education was very much widespread, because education was free in this way. So students were meant to go for begging alms for the teacher. These are some of the, I mean to say, regulative principles.\nNow, that is sacrifice. They sacrificed their labor for the spiritual master, for the teacher, and whatever they got, they surrendered to the teacher. And it is said that after cooking, if the teacher asked the student, \"My dear boy, you come and take your meals,\" then he will take. Otherwise, if the teacher forgets to call him one day for his meals, then he should not go and ask the teacher that \"Sir, I have not taken my food. Give me my food.\" Rather, he should starve. So much penances, so much civility. These are called sacrifices.\nSo student life is meant for sacrifice. They should undergo training under severe regulations and penances so that life may be built up for future hope and future spiritual realization. But the sacrifice is meant for the student life.\nSimilarly, the family life, those who are... Yajña-dāna. Dāna means charity. The gṛhastha, those who are living in family life with wife and children, they are expected to give in charity as much as possible. That is also service. Suppose you are earning hundred..., one thousand dollars in a month. So according to Vedic instruction, you should give in charity fifty percent of your income. Five hundred dollars you should give in charity. And twenty-five percent you should spend for your family, and twenty-five percent, as you are a family man, you may have it as bank balance so that in case of emergency you may require it. This is the prescription. Suppose you are earning one thousand dollars a month. You should give in charity for God's service fifty percent, and twenty-five percent you should spend for your family, dependents, and twenty-five percent you may have in a bank balance so that... This is the point.\nSo yajña-dāna... This is also sacrifice. Sacrifice. So yajña-dāna and tapaḥ. Tapaḥ means penance. So the students are meant for sacrifice, and the gṛhasthas, the householders, are meant for giving in charity, and so far we are concerned, just like sannyāsī, we are meant for tapasya, penance. We should undergo all kinds of difficulties for spreading the knowledge that we have acquired. That is the proper sannyāsī. A sannyāsī, a renounced order of, I mean to say, man who is in the renounced order of life, his business is that his acquired knowledge, his experienced knowledge, should be distributed to the public.\nSo according to the varṇāśrama-dharma, the brahmacārīs and the vānaprastha and the sannyāsī... Now, suppose if there are hundred person in a society, twenty-five percent students, twenty-five percent retired life and twenty-five percent sannyāsa, renounced order of life. Now, out of hundred persons, seventy-five percent, they are engaged in the service of the Supreme Lord. The rest twenty-five percent, who are gṛhasthas, they are meant for sacrificing fifty percent of their income for this seventy-five percent. That is the whole program of varṇāśrama-dharma.\nThat is a kind of spiritual communism. Spiritual communism. For spiritual advancement of the society, the whole social order is so arranged that seventy-five percent of the people, they are engaged in the matter of spiritual advancement of knowledge, and twenty-five percent of the population, those who are earning, those who are in family life, those who have got factories, business and so many things, they should sacrifice fifty percent of their income for these seventy-five percent persons who are engaged in spiritual emancipation.\nSo that is the whole program.\n[aside:] Oh, I am very glad to see you. [laughs]\nThat is the whole program of varṇāśrama-dharma, varṇa and āśrama. Varṇa means that... You have perhaps heard, the caste system in India. That is called varṇa. That is... The caste system which is now going on, that is a vitiated form of caste system. You have heard in the Bhagavad-gītā that cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg 4.13].\n[According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.]\nThis varṇa and āśrama is also creation of the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṇa. That is not man-made. That is not man-made.\nSo how that varṇāśrama is created? Now, guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ. The guṇa... As I have already told you, that we are being controlled in three qualities, or three modes of nature, so anyone, he must be either under the spell of these three qualities. So according to the quality and according to the karma, the varṇas are there. I have several times explained to you. So the varṇa and the āśrama. Āśrama means the brahmacārī-āśrama, the gṛhastha-āśrama, the vānaprastha-āśrama and the sannyāsa-āśrama.\nĀśrama, this very word indicates that it is spiritual. And perhaps most of you know that āśrama means... Āśrama, this very word, means that this place... Just like temple or church. There are so many buildings on this Second Avenue. When you see a church or a temple, you at once understand that \"This building is meant for spiritual understanding.\" Similarly, when we call āśrama, āśrama means that that, I mean to say, function is meant for spiritual realization.\nSo all the four classes of social order—the brahmacārī, the gṛhastha and the vānaprastha and the sannyāsa—they are called āśrama. Āśrama means they are meant for spiritual emancipation. The student is also given instruction so that before entering family life, he gets complete instruction of spiritual life, so that when he enters into family life he is not just like a cat and dog, for sense gratification. They are meant for... Although they live with wife and children, they are meant for spiritual emancipation. This is called āśrama, gṛhastha-āśrama.\nSo that was the idea. The whole program was aiming at spiritual emancipation. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇum... [coughs]\nna te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ\ndurāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ\nandhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās\nte 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ\n[SB 7.5.31]\n[Persons who are strongly entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is to return home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Viṣṇu. As blind men guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, materially attached men led by another materially attached man are bound by the ropes of fruitive labor, which are made of very strong cords, and they continue again and again in materialistic life, suffering the threefold miseries.]\nIt is a verse from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam that Prahlāda Mahārāja... That is a, I mean, statement of Prahlāda Mahārāja before his father. His father was very much materialistic, so he was explaining to his father, \"My dear father,\" that na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇum, \"general people...\" Because he was in the materialistic family, his father was a great materialistic, so he is explaining... And he was a great devotee. The son was a great devotee, and the father was a great materialist, and there was a quarrel between father and son.\nSo father questioned, \"Where you have got all this nonsense knowledge, or spiritual knowledge?\" So he was explaining, na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ [SB 7.5.31]:\n\"My dear father, these people, these materialistic people—that means men of your nature—they do not know what is their self-interest.\"\nEveryone is very busy for fulfilling his self-interest, but actually he does not know what is his self-interest. Na te viduḥ. The self-interest is Viṣṇu, so go back to Godhead. That is self-interest. Self-realization, self-interest, and so many things—everything is meant for going back to Godhead. That is self-interest.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja said that \"Because people are very much illusioned by this external energy...\" The material energy is called external energy. \"Because people are deluded by this external..., by the glimmer of this external energy, they have forgotten that their self-interest is Viṣṇu, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And they are conducting their life, general process of life, in a manner...\" How? Now, andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānāḥ: \"Just like one blind man is leading several other blind men.\" That's all. He is the leader. A blind man has become the leader of several other blind man.\nSo what benefit is there? If the man is blind, how can he... Because blind... Why blind? Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās te 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ [SB 7.5.31]. Īśa-tantra, īśa-tantra means by the laws of God or by the laws of nature, they are bound up tight, hand and feet, and they are trying to get free from the control of the nature.\nSo this struggle for existence is going on, because they do not know that their self-interest lies in the understanding of his relationship with the Supreme Lord. And that is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg 7.19]:\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\n\"After many, many births, when a man is actually in full knowledge, he surrenders unto Me,\" the Lord says. That is the ultimate interest. That is the ultimate knowledge, that one should understand his relationship with Viṣṇu and surrender there. That is... Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante [Bg 7.19]: \"After many, many births,\" jñānavān, \"who has actually acquired knowledge, he surrenders unto Me,\" the Lord says.\nBut sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ: \"But such a great soul is very rare.\" The surrendered soul, a man in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, a man surrendered unto the control of the Supreme Lord, is very rare. These are instruction we get from Vedic literature. And to come to this point, this surrendering process, that vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ [Bg 7.19], to understand that the Supreme Lord is everything. Whatever is manifested before us, they are different varieties of energies of the Supreme Lord.\nThat is also stated in Viṣṇu Purāṇa:\neka-deśa-sthitasyāgner\njyotsnā vistāriṇī yathā\nparasya brahmaṇaḥ śaktis\nsarvedam akhilaṁ jagat\n[Viṣṇu Purāṇa 1.22.53]\n[Just as the illumination of a fire, which is situated in one place, is spread all over, the energies of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Para-brahman, are spread all over this universe.]\nThe Viṣṇu Purāṇa says that \"Just like fire is situated in one place and distributes its heat and light and illumination from that place, similarly, whatever we are experiencing in this manifested world, they are different energies of the Brahman, parasya brahmaṇaḥ.\" Parasya parabrahmaṇaḥ, that means Śrī Kṛṣṇa. Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the Parambrahman.\nSo whole process is, sacrifice means that we have to reach to that point. The whole process of sacrifice, either by yoga system or by jñāna system or by observing the rules and regulation of the social system, everything is meant for reaching to that point. What is that? Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān mām [Bg 7.19]: to surrender unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nSo we, if we are intelligent enough, then we should consider that \"If I have to do this job after many, many births—I am getting myself to very much experience—and Lord Kṛṣṇa says that this is the last point of knowledge, why not accept it immediately? Why not accept immediately? If I have to come to Kṛṣṇa at the last stage of mature knowledge and I surrender unto Him, then why should I wait for many births? Why should I wait for many birth? Let me surrender unto me [Him].\"\nJust yesterday night one of our friend inquired that \"How long it takes time to have complete Kṛṣṇa consciousness?\" So I replied that the Kṛṣṇa consciousness can take place in a second, and it may not take in thousands of years. Because the point is here that after all, we have to come to this point, that surrender unto Kṛṣṇa, vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg 7.19]—Vāsudeva means Kṛṣṇa—\"Kṛṣṇa is everything, and therefore I surrender unto Him.\" Sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ. That person, a great soul, is very rare to be found.\nTherefore why not become that great soul immediately by surrender unto Kṛṣṇa? This is the point. By sacrifice. Sacrifice means we have to come to that point. Now, if that is the point to be achieved at the end, now why not become immediately jñānavān and surrender unto Kṛṣṇa? That is my suggestion.\nsarvāṇīndriya-karmāṇi\nprāṇa-karmāṇi cāpare\nātma-saṁyama-yogāgnau\njuhvati jñāna-dīpite\n[Bg 4.27]\n[Those who are interested in self-realization, in terms of mind and sense control, offer the functions of all the senses, as well as the vital force [breath], as oblations into the fire of the controlled mind.]\nĀtma-saṁyama. There are different kinds of penances. That is called ātma-saṁyama. The yogic principle is also another sort of ātma-saṁyama.\ndravya-yajñās tapo-yajñā\nyoga-yajñās tathāpare\nsvādhyāya-jñāna-yajñāś ca\nyatayaḥ saṁśita-vratāḥ\n[Bg 4.28]\n[There are others who, enlightened by sacrificing their material possessions in severe austerities, take strict vows and practice the yoga of eightfold mysticism, and others study the Vedas for the advancement of transcendental knowledge.]\nThere are dravyamaya-yajñas. Dravyamaya-yajñas means giving in charity. That is called dravyamaya-yajña. Jñānamaya-yajña means to engage oneself into the studies of the Vedas very critically, nicely. That is called jñānamaya-yajña. And those who are controlling the senses, that is called yogamaya-yajña.\nSo there are different kinds of yajña, and according to different types of yajña, there are different types of yogī also. Each one of them is called yogī. So according to the type of yajña, there are different kinds of yogīs. Just like we are. We are trying in the process of transcendental loving service, so we are bhakta-yogī. We are called yogī in the devotional service. Of course, we'll find in the Sixth Chapter that bhakta-yogī is the topmost yogī.\nyoginām api sarveṣāṁ\nmad-gatenāntar-ātmanā\nśraddhāvān bhajate yo māṁ\nsa me yuktatamo mataḥ\n[Bg 6.47]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nAnd that is stated by the Lord that \"There are different kinds of yogīs, but the person who is always under the contemplation of Me, he is the highest yogī.\"\nTherefore devotional service, loving devotional service of the Supreme Lord, that is the topmost kind of yogī. That is we find in everywhere, in every chapter, in every verse of this Bhagavad-gītā, that Kṛṣṇa consciousness, which we are trying to culture, that is the highest type of yoga.\napāne juhvati prāṇaṁ\nprāṇe 'pānaṁ tathāpare\nprāṇāpāna-gatī ruddhvā\nprāṇāyāma-parāyaṇāḥ\napare niyatāhārāḥ\nprāṇān prāṇeṣu juhvati\n[Bg 4.29]\n[And there are even others who are inclined to the process of breath restraint to remain in trance, and they practice stopping the movement of the outgoing breath into the incoming, and incoming breath into the outgoing, and thus at last remain in trance, stopping all breathing. Some of them, curtailing the eating process, offer the outgoing breath into itself, as a sacrifice.]\nThese prāṇa, apāna... There are breathing control. There are different kinds of air passing within the body, and the yoga system, the controlling, that is also another kind of sacrifice.\nsarve 'py ete yajña-vido\nyajña-kṣapita-kalmaṣāḥ\nyajña-śiṣṭāmṛta-bhujo\nyānti brahma sanātanam\n[Bg 4.30]\n[All these performers who know the meaning of sacrifice become cleansed of sinful reaction, and, having tasted the nectar of the remnants of such sacrifice, they go to the supreme eternal atmosphere.]\nNow, what is the purpose of this sacrifice? Now, it is concluded here that sarve 'py ete yajña-vidaḥ. All these different kinds of yajña, they are meant for diminishing our sinful reaction. Our sinful reaction. Because we are accumulating many sinful reaction in different births. So if we perform sacrifice, if we perform yoga, that process helps us in diminishing our accumulated, I mean to say, sinful reaction. But so far this harer nāma harer nāma harer nāmaiva kevalam [Cc Ādi 17.21], oh, this is the easiest and the most, I mean to say, supreme process.\n[In this Age of Kali there is no other means, no other means, no other means for self-realization than chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name of Lord Hari.]\nAs we have discussed many times, the Lord Caitanya recommends that ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc Antya 20.12].\n[Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.]\nBy this, paraṁ vijayate śrī-kṛṣṇa-saṅkīrtanam, by this performance of saṅkīrtana—Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare / Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare—immediately the dust from the mind is clear. That is recommended.\nSo in spite of it is very easy process, it is the supreme process. It surpasses all kinds of other yajña and yoga system.\nnāyaṁ loko 'sty ayajñasya\nkuto 'nyaḥ kuru-sattama\n[Bg 4.31]\n[O best of the Kuru dynasty, without sacrifice one can never live happily on this planet or in this life: what then of the next?]\nThe Lord says that \"Those who are not performing yajña, they cannot be happy even in this world, in this life, and what to speak of next life.\" This is the con... Therefore we have to perform sacrifice.\nNāyaṁ lokaḥ, ayaṁ lokaḥ. Ayam, in this world, in which we are at present, that is also becoming more miserable. At the present moment people are feeling so much painful in the modern existence, because this process of yajña has been... Completely, people are engaged, \"Work hard, earn money and be engaged in sense gratification.\" That's all. This is the whole program at the present moment is going on. That cannot bring any peace and prosperity to the society. We have to perform yajña. That is the natural law.\nSo Lord says, nāyaṁ loko 'sty ayajñasya: \"Those who are not performing, for them, there is no happiness even in this world, even in this life.\" And kuto anyaḥ kuru-sattama: \"My dear Arjuna, then what to speak of the next life. Oh, next life is still more miserable.\"\nevaṁ bahu-vidhā yajñā\nvitatā brahmaṇo mukhe\nkarma-jān viddhi tān sarvān\nevaṁ jñātvā vimokṣyase\n[Bg 4.32]\n[All these different types of sacrifice are approved by the Vedas, and all of them are born of different types of work. Knowing them as such, you will become liberated.]\nśreyān dravyamayād yajñāj\njñāna-yajñaḥ parantapa\nsarvaṁ karmākhilaṁ pārtha\njñāne parisamāpyate\n[Bg 4.33]\n[O chastiser of the enemy, the sacrifice of knowledge is greater than the sacrifice of material possessions. O son of Pṛthā, after all, the sacrifice of work culminates in transcendental knowledge.]\nNow, Kṛṣṇa is concluding these different types of yajña. He says that śreyān dravyamayād yajñāj jñāna-yajñaḥ parantapa. Jñāna-yajña, jñāna-yajña means... This is jñāna-yajña, which we are doing here. We are discussing Bhagavad-gītā very scrutinizingly, and trying to understand every verse with reference to the Vedic, I mean, reference and as far as our logic and argument goes. So this is called jñāna-yajña.\nAnd dravyamaya-yajña means, just like yesterday, day before yesterday, discussed that in the altar of fire we have to sacrifice clarified butter, grains, or sometimes animal sacrifice. They are called dravyamaya-yajña. So Kṛṣṇa says, śreyān dravyamayād yajñāt. That dravyamaya, that sacrificing goods or other things in the yajña, from that type of yajña, śreyān dravyamayād yajñāj jñāna-yajñaḥ parantapa. Jñāna-yajña, this philosophical discussion, logical discussion of the aim of life from authorized books like Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, if we have discussion, this is called jñānamaya-yajña, \"with knowledge,\" jñānamaya-yajña.\nSo why jñānamaya-yajña is preferred? Sarvaṁ karmākhilaṁ pārtha jñāne parisamāpyate. Because after all, we have to acquire that knowledge which will make me a surrendered soul to the Supreme. That's it. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate. So jñāna also means that to understand our position, to understand what is God, to understand what is our relationship with God, to understand why we are in this material world and what is our next life, wherefrom we have come, where we have the right knowledge, you can understand all these things.\nAnd when you understand everything, the, I mean, the path is clear, you can clearly understand that \"I am the part and parcel of the Supreme; therefore my duty is to render transcendental service to the Supreme.\" That is the highest yajña, highest jñāna, knowledge, knowledge, yajña. So Kṛṣṇa advises that jñānamaya-yajña, sacrifice... Sacrifice. Now, to understand these things, you have to sacrifice some time, you have to sacrifice some labor, some attention. So these sacrifices are counted more than when we offer sacrificial goods in the fire. That is clearly stated here.\nNow what is the process of this knowledge? That is also stated by the Lord:\ntad viddhi praṇipātena\nparipraśnena sevayā\nupadekṣyanti te jñānaṁ\njñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ\n[Bg 4.34]\n[Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.]\nNow, if you have to acquire knowledge, then first of all, you have to find out a person who has already seen the light. Tattva-darśinaḥ. Tattva... Tattva means... In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, tattva is described, the English translation is \"Absolute Truth.\" That is called tattva. Now,\nvadanti tat tattva-vidas\ntattvaṁ yaj jñānam advayam\nbrahmeti paramātmeti\nbhagavān iti śabdyate\n[SB 1.2.11]\n[Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān.]\nNow, \"That Absolute Truth is known in three different phases.\" What is that? \"Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān.\" So a person, we have to... If we really seeking knowledge, then we have to find out a person who is tattva-darśī, who has understood the Absolute Truth.\nNow, the Absolute Truth is realized in three phases: Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān. There are certain tattva-vit, or the knower of the Absolute Truth, who understands the Absolute Truth as impersonal Brahman. And there are other, knower of the Absolute Truth, who understands the Absolute Truth as the localized Supersoul. These are called yogīs. And the first-mentioned persons, they are called jñānīs. And there are other tattva-vit, or knower of the Absolute Truth, who knows the Absolute Truth as Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nSo either Brahman or Paramātmā or Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Personality of..., there is no difference. The same thing, but according to the capacity of the knower, they are manifested into different phases. We have several times discussed this point. Just like to understand the sun, somebody is studying the sun ray. He is also studying sun. And somebody is studying what is the sun disc. So he is also studying sun. And somebody is trying to enter into the sun planet to see who is there. Everything is the sun. But the person who are studying the sunshine, their grade is lower than the person who is trying to understand the sun disc. And their position is lower grade than the person who wants to enter into the sun.\nSo the bhaktas, they are trying to see the sun-god within the sun. Just like they want to see Kṛṣṇa. In the Upaniṣad we'll find... There is a prayer that the Brahman is praying, \"Will You kindly push off Your glaring, dazzling glare, so that I can really see You.\" So within the brahma-jyoti there is Kṛṣṇa. So we have to see that.\nSo anyway, either the Brahmavādī or Paramātmavādī or the bhakta, they are all tattva-vit. They are all transcendentalists. There is no difference. But as there are three classes in every sphere, so there are three classes in the transcendental field also. So here Bhagavad-gītā, the Lord recommends that jñāninas tattva-darśinaḥ [Bg 4.34].\n[Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.]\nYou have to find out a person who is tattva-darśī, who has realized the Absolute Truth, either in Brahman conception or in Paramātmā conception or in Personality of Godhead conception. Because we have got different taste. So the Paramātmā, or the Supreme Absolute Truth, is also manifested in three phases: Brahman, Paramātmā, Bhagavān.\nSo anyway, either you select the impersonal Brahman conception of the Absolute Truth, either you select the localized Supreme Soul, Supersoul conception of the Absolute Truth, or you accept the highest, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Śrī Kṛṣṇa. Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya [Bg 7.7].\n[O conqueror of wealth [Arjuna], there is no Truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.]\nThe Lord says that \"This is the last phase of Absolute Truth, what I am, Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSo anyway, we have to, if we want jñāna—because the jñānamaya-yajña is recommended the highest yajña—so if we actually want jñāna, then we have to first of all find out a person who is tattva-darśī. Just like if you have to purchase gold, you must know where gold is available. If you go for purchasing gold to a grocer's shop, then it is hopeless. You see? It is not possible. Then you will be cheated. So at least you have to find out the person who has... That can be found. Just like by culture. That, that is called sacrifice, jñāna.\nIf you are actually in search of knowledge, Kṛṣṇa will help you, because He is helping you in every way. Īśvara. Sarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭaḥ [Bg 15.15].\n[I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas am I to be known; indeed I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.]\nThis we have discussed this morning. He is always with you, so He understands what kind of knowledge you are in search after. So we must be sincere, that we want to know that Absolute Truth. Then you will find out; Kṛṣṇa will help you. If you want a Brahmavādī, He will help you. If you want a Paramātmavādī, then He will help you. And if you want a devotee, that also help. So tad viddhi. You have to first of all search out a person.\nSo Kṛṣṇa recommends that if you want knowledge, then first of all... That is the process, the whole Vedic process. In the Kaṭhopaniṣad also it is said that tad-vijñānārthaṁ gurum eva abhigacchet: \"If you want to understand the transcendental science, then you have to approach to a spiritual master.\" And who is spiritual master? Oh, nowadays everyone wants to be spiritual master. Oh, that is also mentioned, who is spiritual master. Samit-pāṇiḥ śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12]:\n[To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.]\n\"You have to approach a spiritual master who is śrotriyam and brahma-niṣṭham.\" Śrotriyam means who has come down from the disciplic succession, or from the Supreme.\nJust like we have understood in the Fourth Chapter, in the beginning of the Fourth Chapter, evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg 4.2].\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\nThere is a paramparā; there is a disciplic succession. So one who is coming into that disciplic succession, and by coming from that disciplic succession he is firmly convinced in the Absolute, he is firmly conversant in the Absolute Truth, he is guru. Two qualification. He must come from that disciplic succession, and he must be convinced; nobody can deviate him from conviction of the Absolute Truth. Any kind. These two qualification. Tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena [Bg 4.34].\n[Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.]\nIn Kaṭha Upaniṣad it is said, tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12]. \n[To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.]\nAbhigacchet. This is a Sanskrit grammatical injunction. When there is the question if imperative, \"you must,\" there vidhiliṅ, this form of verb, is used, gacchet, gacchet. Gacchet means \"You must go.\" You don't think that without going to a qualified, bona fide spiritual master you can have. No. That is not possible. Here also, Lord Kṛṣṇa also recommends, tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā: \"If you want to learn that transcendental science, then you have to find out a transcendentalist first of all.\" That is also recommended in Kaṭhopaniṣad.\nIn Bhāgavata also, it is said, tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam [SB 11.3.21]:\n[Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.]\n\"One who is hankering after the highest type of question...\" We have got so many questions. We can question the whole day and night: \"What is the rate of this commodity? What is happening in this political field? What is going on in China?\" Why not these questions are not... Not these question. Śreya uttamam: one who has become inquisitive in the uttamam. Uttamam means udgata-tama, not any question of pertaining to the material world. One who is eager to question about the Absolute Truth or the spiritual world, he requires a spiritual master. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta. The first injunction is that tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta: \"You must submit to a spiritual master.\"\nWho? Who is recommended to find out a spiritual master? Tasmād gurum..., jijñāsuḥ. Jijñāsuḥ means who is inquisitive. What kind of inquisitive? Jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam: \"What is the ultimate goal of my life?\" If you have no such view to enquire what is the ultimate goal of your..., you need not require to search out a spiritual master. Spiritual master is not a show bottle. Just like, \"Oh, so many people, they have got a spiritual master. Oh, let me have also some spiritual master.\" It is not like that. It is only jijñāsuḥ: one must be very much inquisitive of the transcendental subject matter. He requires a spiritual master.\nSo here also, the Lord says that tad viddhi: \"If you want to understand that transcendental subject matter, then you must approach a person, a bona fide spiritual master.\" And the process is praṇipāta, praṇipātena. Praṇipāta means full surrender. Pra means prakṛṣṭa-rūpeṇa, fully, and nipāta means completely becoming a blank slate. Blank slate. Nobody should approach a bona fide spiritual master just to argue with him and just to..., with a desire that \"I shall see what kind of spiritual master.\" No. This is useless. You have to select a spiritual master...\nMy Guru Mahārāja, my spiritual master, used to say that you have to select a spiritual master not by seeing but by your ear, but by hearing. And you don't select a spiritual master who has got a very good hair or beard or some very beautiful feature, \"Oh, he is a very good, nice looking.\" No. You must hear. Tad viddhi praṇipātena. Śruti. The whole process is śruti. The Vedas are called śruti. The ear has to aural reception.\nSo here also the same thing recommended by Lord Kṛṣṇa, that praṇipāta. First of all, you have to find out a bona fide spiritual master, and then you should surrender unto him. This is the first process. Praṇipātena paripraśnena. Paripraśnena means by sincere inquiries. Not only surrender; you must be intelligent enough to enquire. Not that when something is heard, and there is no question. No. There must be some question. Paripraśnena and sevayā. So surrender, enquiry and sevā, service.\nWe sing this song every day,\nyasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo\nyasyāprasādān na gatiḥ kuto 'pi\ndhyāyan stuvaṁs tasya yaśas tri-sandhyaṁ\nvande guroḥ śrī-caraṇāravindam\n[Śrī Śrī Gurv-aṣṭaka]\n[By the mercy of the spiritual master one receives the benediction of Kṛṣṇa. Without the grace of the spiritual master, one cannot make any advancement. Therefore, I should always remember and praise the spiritual master. At least three times a day I should offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master.]\nYasya, if we actually find a spiritual master, bona fide spiritual master, and if we can make him satisfied by my service, then my path for realization of God is guaranteed. This is the thing. Here it is. First of all we have to find out a bona fide spiritual master. Then by my service, by my surrender, by my questions, if we utilize, then my path for back to Godhead, back to home, is guaranteed. That is the... It is very important verse. Tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā, upadekṣyanti te jñānam [Bg 4.34].\n[Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.]\nThat knowledge by which you can go to the point of your self-interest, Viṣṇu, that knowledge you can realize.\nThank you very much. If there is any question, you can ask. [break]",
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"content": "\n ...stated that exist between jñānīs and yogīs.",
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"content": "\n Oh, the yogī, they are searching after the Supersoul within himself, and jñānī is understanding the impersonal feature of the Absolute Truth.",
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"content": "\n The jñānī is not [indistinct] seeker?",
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"content": "\n He is also seeker. You did not hear. The Absolute Truth is being manifested in three phases—as Paramātmā, as Bhagavān and as Brahman. Those who are after Brahman, they are called jñānī; those who are after Paramātmā, they are called yogī; and those who are after the Personality of Godhead, they are called bhaktas. And all of them are seeking the Absolute Truth, but in different phases. You understand?\nThey are not differentiated. They are not in the material field. Either the seeker of the Brahman, either the seeker of the supreme soul, Supersoul, or the seeker of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, they are all transcendentalists. They are not in the material world. They are tattva-vit. Tattva-vit means they are in the field of transcendental transaction. But there are degrees.\nJust like I have given this example already—you did not hear attentively—that the sunshine, the sun disc, and within the sun. The subject matter is same, but still, the subject matter of studying sunshine and subject matter of studying the sun disc and subject matter of studying what is within the sun, there are differences, although the whole subject matter is the sun. The Absolute Truth is also, in the same way, manifested in three phases: Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān. So either of these three, we have to find out; then gradually we make further promotion.\nThose who are in the Brahman conception... Just like Śukadeva Gosvāmī. He was in the Brahman conception, but by his further development, he became a devotee. He became a devotee. There are many instances. The Sanaka-Sanātana sages, they were in Brahman conception. So to... As it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, that bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg 7.19].\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nThis mām means the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So anyone who comes to that Supreme Personality of Godhead, he is in the highest perfection of knowledge. [break]",
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"content": "\n ...a man has plenty of spiritual knowledge and Vedic religion or a man has plenty of faith in heart.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is...",
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"content": "\n I mean, in other words, if bhakta were a jñānī.",
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"content": "\n No. It is just like... In the Bhagavad-gītā it is clearly stated that bhakto 'si me priyo 'si [Bg 4.3]:\n[That very ancient science of the relationship with the Supreme is today told by Me to you because you are My devotee as well as My friend; therefore you can understand the transcendental mystery of this science.]\n\"Because you are My devotee, you are My most dear friend.\"",
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"content": "\n Why it is, sir?",
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"content": "\n That is His option. That you ask Kṛṣṇa. He says.",
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"content": "\n But why it is?",
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"content": "\n Why? Kṛṣṇa says. You cannot say...",
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"content": "\n Because if we go wholeheartedly to God without proper understanding, there is also a flaw.",
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"content": "\n No. There is no question of understanding. Suppose this process... Just like Kṛṣṇa says, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg 7.19]:\n\"After many, many births of culture of knowledge, the person who has come to the highest point of knowledge, he surrenders unto Me.\" So similarly, if any person without any knowledge, if he surrenders only to Kṛṣṇa, he acquires the all the knowledge. He has surpassed all stage. He has surpassed all stages. And that is also confirmed.\nIf you say, \"How he has gone, surpassed all stage?\" that answer is in Bhagavad-gītā you find:\nteṣām evānukampārtham\naham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥ\nnāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-stho\njñāna-dīpena bhāsvatā\n[Bg 10.11]\n[Out of compassion for them, I, dwelling in their hearts, destroy with the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance.]\nTeṣām: \"Because he is a devotee, just to give, just to show him a special favor,\" teṣām evānukampārtham, \"simply for showing a special favor, I Myself, from within, I light up the knowledge, I mean to say, searchlight, and he becomes...\"\nAnd you will be surprised that my Guru Mahārāja's spiritual master was Gaura Kiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja. He was completely illiterate. He did not know how to sign, and my spiritual master was the most learned man of his age. He accepted that guru who was completely illiterate. But when he would speak, that Gaura Kiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja, he would speak with all Vedic reference. And you will find in the Vedas that,\nyasya deve parā bhaktir\nyathā deve tathā gurau\ntasyaite kathitā hy arthāḥ\nprakāśante mahātmanaḥ\n[Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.23]\n[Unto those great souls who have implicit faith in both the Lord and the spiritual master, all the imports of Vedic knowledge are automatically revealed.]\nSo the spiritual knowledge becomes revealed. It is not subjected to any material acquisition. It is not subjected to any material acquisition of knowledge. It becomes revealed. How? Yasya deve parā bhaktir yathā deve tathā gurau. One who has a staunch faith in the Supreme Lord and staunch faith in the personality of his spiritual master, bona fide, then he gets all the things revealed in himself. Spiritual things are not just like material things.\nSo according to Bhagavad-gītā, sarva-guhyatamam, the Lord says that \"The most confidential part of knowledge I am speaking to you, My dear Arjuna, because you are My very dear friend, that sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg 18.66].\"\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\nSo one who has the conception of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and has surrendered unto Him, he is considered to be highest, topmost spiritualist.",
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"content": "\n What is the importance of prasādam? Importance of prasādam?",
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"content": "\n Prasāda? Prasāda means mercy. Mercy. Prasāda means prakṛṣṭa-rūpeṇa sīdati. That is prasāda, means completely satisfied.",
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"content": "\n At the end of this, you will give us some prasāda. What is the importance of that prasāda?",
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"content": "\n Oh!!! That. Yes. Prasāda. Very good. That prasāda is Kṛṣṇa's favor. Kṛṣṇa's special favor. That is prasāda. Prasāde sarva-duḥkhānāṁ hānir asyopajāyate [Bg 2.65].\n[For one who is so situated in the Divine consciousness, the threefold miseries of material existence exist no longer; in such a happy state, one's intelligence soon becomes steady.]\nIf we simply eat Kṛṣṇa prasāda, without any culture, we can get spiritual knowledge. All right. Let us have kīrtana. You can close the door...",
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"content": "\n Hear and narrate. So, whatever you have heard, you can speak.\n[break] So in your country also they do not like this organized Christian religion. The difficulty is that either Hindu religion or Christian religion, religion is one. So what is that one religion nobody knows perfectly, and it was not presented, because they did not know what is religion.\nThey are simply sticking to a particular kind of faith. Faith can be changed, faith can be given up, but real religion, that cannot be given up. It may be perverted. Real religion is to render service to the Supreme Lord. That cannot be changed. We are serving. If not to the Lord, we are serving māyā. But my that characteristic to serve is continued.\nSo religion is presented simply on formulas and stereotyped ideas, but actual religion is this surrender. Yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6]. Bhakti means serving. Bhaja sevayā. Sevayā means serving. So religion means to serve the Supreme Lord. That is religion. Anything which has no such idea, that is not religion. Then again [you] have different types of religion, how far they are making progress with..., on that ultimate goal, serving Kṛṣṇa? The more we advance, the more you become perfect, our real religious life becomes manifested. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nWe say this is real religion. So what others have to say on this point? We say this is real religion. Bhāgavata says..., Bhāgavata say, dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra [SB 1.1.2], \"All cheating type of religion is thrown away.\" The cheating type of religion means which does not teach people how to serve the Lord. That is cheating. They take advantage of the religious feeling. They say, \"I am God\" or \"I am everything.\nYou serve me, you give your money unto me, I shall give you some material benefit, atonement. You have made your confess; you are sinful. Give me some money and you are excused.\" In this way religion is being perverted. Therefore, people are educated, [they] say, \"What is this, religion?\" They are becoming disgusted. But real religion is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness—surrender to Kṛṣṇa and you will become happy.\nSo if we say that this is the real religion, is there anything wrong there? What possible protest they can offer when I say this is the religion?",
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"content": "\n Sometimes the Christians, they say that \"According to our scriptures, that Christ is the only way. And unless one is worshiping God through Christ, that is heathenism.\"",
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"content": "\n So what Christ teaches? Let us see what Christ teaches, then we can understand whether only through Christ we can... What is his teaching?",
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"content": "\n His first teaching is that \"Love the Lord thy God with all they heart, with all thy might, with all thy [indistinct].\"",
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"content": "\n That's nice.",
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"content": "\n He is also saying that \"I have no will but to do the will of my father, who has sent me,\" and that \"Everything I am saying is not my words but are the words of Him [indistinct].\"",
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"content": "\n Complete surrender.",
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"content": "\n Yeah.",
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"content": "\n That's nice. But they do not follow, and still they say they are Christians. They do not follow. Christ is all right. According to the time, according to the country, according to the atmosphere, he's all right, but the followers, they reject.",
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"content": "\n The followers try to make everyone fear God. Their whole aim is to make everyone so much afraid. They always try to instill fear in everyone that they speak to. \"You are going to burn in hell.\"\n That is the principle of eternal hell that is used to make people surrender: fear of eternal hell.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Fear of God.",
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"content": "\n According to time... Deśa-kāla-pātra. That kind of forceful does not act very nicely. One should know the science, but the class of men to whom Jesus Christ said, they are not very much advanced. Under the circumstances, the fearfulness of hell is quite appropriate for them.\nActually, one who does not go back to home, back to Godhead, he is put into the hellish condition of life. That is fearful. But we are so blunt that we do not take care. It is fearful. Just like Prahlāda Maharaja said that \"Nṛsiṁha-deva, I am not afraid of Your this fierceful feature, Narasiṁha, but I am very much afraid of this materialistic way of life.\" Saṁsāra. Saṁsāra means this material world.\nSo it is actually very fearful. The whole atmosphere is fearful. Padaṁ padaṁ yad vipadāṁ [SB 10.14.58]. To make adjustment, you have to accept something fearful. Just like this fight, \"In future there may be some adjustment so that people may live peacefully. Therefore, we have to fight.\" This is also..., the method is itself fearful.\nTo gain a position where there will be no fear, we have to accept a fearful method. So in the material world, whatever we think, they are not very happy proposition, that everything is fear. Karma-kāṇḍīya, they have to go..., undergo so many hardship, then they get something profit. People are working so hard to get some profit. In the material world everything is fearful, hard-working.\nSo in the Bible it is said that hell or...?",
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"content": "\n Hell or...?",
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"content": "\n Hmm? What is it? Hell, you were speaking something of hell?",
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"content": "\n Eternal hell.",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n Eternal hell?",
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"content": "\n Eternal hell. Huh? What is that?",
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"content": "\n Everlasting hell.\n It means that, so far as I remember, Prabhupāda, in the Bible it says that at the time of judgment...\n Judgment, the judgment.\n There's a judgment...\n You rise from the grave in the time you are judged.\n Yes, all of the souls then rise for judgment, and accordingly they either go to heaven or to hell.\n Or into an intermediate stage, where they can gradually go up to heaven. Limbo, I think.\n The ultimate desire of a Christian is to be with Jesus, is to go to be with him. That is their ultimate desire. Not necessarily to be with the Father, but to be with Jesus.\nWhat do they do with him?\nBy leading the Christian life.\nI mean when they go to him, what do they do?\n[indistinct]\nGurudas\n:\n See, the idea is that you could not remember perfectly 'cause the taste is gone, the līlā is death mostly. But it isn't death; the basics are there, but they're teaching death. And so any intelligent person says, \"I want to go to Jesus,\" but then what do I do? If it is everlasting hell, then heaven must be also everlasting, but what do we do? And if it's void, then it will not keep the people interested; therefore people are leaving religion.",
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"content": "\n Yes, that is very good reason. There is no hope; better go to hell. [laughter] At least there is something. Never mind. Yes, hopelessness is not good.",
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"content": "\n Actually, that is their philosophy, Śrīla Prabhupāda. I've heard people say exactly that, is that \"All the things I want to do are for the people that are going to hell, therefore I want to go to hell. Why should I go anywhere else?\" By drinking, smoking, etc... That's what they want.",
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"content": "\n There was a story, the priest was describing about the hell, so they did not respond. But when he said, \"There is no newspaper,\" then, \"Oh, it is horrible.\" [laughter] Other conditions—that it is dark, there is very moist, and so many things described. But they were miners; they know that these things are happening daily. So what is the wrong in the hell? Then he stressed, \"There is no newspaper.\" Then they will, \"Oh, it is horrible.\" [laughter] So according to one's taste, the hellish conditions should described.\nGurudas\n:\n And according to one's taste the heavenly condition can be described also, because Kṛṣṇa is all-attractive.",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n It seems that just like a mother, when she is training her young child, because the child is very young and not yet very advanced in intelligence sometimes, the mother uses the method of fear to train her child. So similarly, according to the consciousness of the people, the doctrine of love of God has to sometimes be preached with a little element of fear so that they'll accept it.",
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"content": "\n That creation of fearfulness may be sometimes, not fact; but fearfulness is there according to our actions. That everyone has got experience. Just like if you steal, then you go to jail. It is a fact. It is not a creation of fearfulness; it is a fact. If you contaminate some disease, then the typhoid or any other disease, you contaminate. So there is suffering, and that is really fearfulness; that is not a false creation. So sometimes there are false creation, but actually for our misdeeds we have to suffer. That's a fact.\nPanchadravida\n:\n I think if there is so much fear being preached in Christianity... Originally the Old Testament was the testament of the vengeful God and the New Testament was supposed to be the love of Christ. So if there is so much fear being preached, it would seem to be a reflection of individual consciousness more than the religion. They are preaching so much fear, it would seem to stem from their own activities, that maybe they do have this fear, rather than the true reflection of the religion that Christ was teaching.\nHe was supposedly [indistinct] to take up, he said, the sins of his disciples and to help them lead the nice life and lead them back. He said..., he referred to them as his flock. So he was taking a role of a protector. And yet the Christians you speak to, they talk about hanging you over hell by a thin thread that can be burnt away at any second. [laughter]\n What is that?",
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"content": "\n He said the Christians... [break]",
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"content": "\n But generally the Christians, they are very much confident that \"All our sinful actions, that have been absorbed by Lord Jesus Christ, so we can do anything.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Therefore they say the Christian religion is very good. \"Very good\" means that Lord Jesus Christ has taken contract for absorbing all their sins, and they go on committing. Is that not idea in the Christian religion?",
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"content": "\n Yes.\n They say all our sins have been washed away by the blood of Jesus. [break]\n I know, Prabhupāda, that in Seattle you had me lecture on a newspaper clipping that in New Jersey they had opened up one home for alcoholic priests. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Five thousand..., five thousand priests, they are suffering from alcoholic [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Plus here in India we see that the sādhus, they are taking gañjā.",
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"content": "\n Gañjā, yes. Not sādhus; rogues. Sādhu's description is there—bhajate mām ananya-bhāk. Fully surrendered to Kṛṣṇa, he is sādhu. Sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ [Bg. 9.30]. He is sādhu. Api cet sudurācāro. Even one is found that his habits are not to the standard, but if he has unflinching faith in Kṛṣṇa and engaged in His service, then he is sādhu.\nThese sādhus with long hairs and gañjā smoking, they have no idea what is the ultimate goal. And those who come from Western countries, naturally they find out these are the sādhus, and they imitate. Hippies, they do like that, imitation. They do not know what is the philosophy, what is religion, what is sādhu.",
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"content": "\n The American hippies actually are following these sādhus. Certain persons, like Allen Ginsberg, have brought back impression that this is what the sādhus...",
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"content": "\n But they do not know that they are not sādhus, they are rogues.",
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"content": "\n Yeah.",
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"content": "\n Sādhu means devotee of Kṛṣṇa. That is sādhu.",
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"content": "\n We are also opening up homes for habituated japa-mālā users, who are also intoxicated, but in a spiritual way. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Huh? [break] That is required. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Śrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n The spiritual master, his duty is to take all of his disciples back to home, back to Godhead, and I've heard it said that he doesn't leave until he has taken all his disciples back. What is the position of Lord Jesus when so many people are following him but not doing..., not in a position to go back to home, back to Godhead? Is he responsible for all of these people, who are attempting to serve him?",
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"content": "\n That is nice question. What is that? Repeat it again.",
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"content": "\n Because the guru is responsible for taking all of his disciples back to home, back to Godhead, I was wondering what was the position of Lord Jesus Christ, because so many people for so many years have been attempting to follow his teachings, many of them sincere, but not getting proper instructions. I was wondering if he is responsible for all of these people who are attempting to serve him.",
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"content": "\n But one thing is, we sing daily, yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo **. You have to please your spiritual master. But yasyāprasādān na gatiḥ kuto 'pi, if you displease your spiritual master, then you are nowhere. How do you adjust these things? It does not mean that because you have made somebody spiritual master, you displease him, at the same time he takes responsibility. Is it very nice?",
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"content": "\n Many times...",
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"content": "\n If you please him, then he is responsible. Yasyāprasādān na gatiḥ kuto 'pi. If you displease him then you are nowhere. So, if you take it in this way, that \"My spiritual master has taken responsibility so whatever nonsense I do, it doesn't matter...\" The Christians are thinking like that, that \"Jesus Christ has taken contract for all our sinful activities, so we can do anything, whatever we like.\"\nBut that is not the fact. If one takes responsibility for you, you must abide by his order. Otherwise how is that, that he simply takes responsibility and you don't abide by his order? It is reciprocal. But the Christians are thinking, \"Because we have taken to Christian religion, now we are safe. We can do anything we like, and Lord Jesus Christ will compensate. He'll be every time crucified and we can go on doing all nonsense.\" Is it not? Then? That's not a very good idea.\nThis is, as Viśvanātha Cakravartī said, yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādo **. If you please your spiritual master, then God will be pleased. If you don't please him, then you are nowhere. So first of all you please Jesus Christ—that is reasonable—then he takes the responsibility. If you disobey Jesus Christ in every step, where is his responsibility? That is a misconception.",
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"content": "\n There are some Christians who are actually sincere, and they feel as though they are doing the proper thing, but they are just misled by the fact that there is no paramparā system from Lord Jesus, that the churches are teaching the wrong thing. But they are sincere. If Kṛṣṇa will direct them [indistinct] the proper authority?",
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"content": "\n Yes. If they are actually following strictly the principles of Jesus Christ, then sometimes when he meets some pure devotee, he will accept. The groundwork will be nice for accepting farther advancement. Just like Jesus Christ says, \"Thou shall not kill.\" So if anyone follows this principle—\"No, I shall not kill\"—then he becomes purified.\nBut who is that Christian who is not killing? So where is follow? Amongst the Christians, the more killing process is going on very strongly. So who is a Christian? In that, if you disobey the first principle of Christianity, then where is your Christianity? Why you falsely claim that you are a Christian? \"Thou shall not covet.\" What is that next?",
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"content": "\n \"Thou shalt not kill.\" [break]\n \"Honor thy mother and father?\"\n There is one about no adulteration.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So adulteration is going on, killing is going on. So many disobedience to Christian principles. So where is the possibility of becoming a Christian?\nGurudas\n:\n \"Honor thy mother and father\" is not being respected.\n Huh?\nGurudas\n:\n \"Honor thy mother and father\" is not being respected.\n Not... So many things. So, if you do not follow the principles of Christianity, simply by stamping yourself as Christian, will that do? So why Jesus Christ will be responsible for you, simply by stamping yourself that \"I am Christian\"? Is that very reasonable proposal?",
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"content": "\n Lord Jesus himself never claimed that he would be responsible. As a matter of fact, he would heal certain persons who by their karma were blind, or lame, some disease, even dead, he would bring them back to life, so many things. And then when he healed them, he invariably said after, he said, \"Now go thou and sin no more, lest the worst thing befall you.\" And he has been saved by Jesus personally, yet Jesus is saying, \"lest the worst thing befall you.\" How worst thing befall you if everything he does then is all right? So that means Jesus does not take that responsibility.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Why he should be responsible? If you are not a Christian, why he should be responsible? Now here he says that \"Now you have sinned, full reaction I have washed, don't do it again.\"",
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"content": "\n But they are going to the church, confessing every week, and doing the same thing. Who is a Christian, first of all find out; then Jesus Christ will take responsibility.",
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"content": "\n They are gambling and eating flesh right in the churches, Śrīla Prabhupāda.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. I mean to say, if you don't follow the Christian principles, how you can claim yourself to become a Christian and how you can ask Jesus Christ to take responsibility for you? These are misleading; therefore people are coming disgusted. Otherwise, Christian religion is all right. It teaches love of Godhead, teaches to become moral, it teaches to love people. That's nice. These are good principles.",
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"content": "\n So, Śrīla Prabhupāda, in the Bible it says, \"Thou shalt not kill\", and the Christians say, \"Yes, thou shalt not kill, but you can kill animals.\" [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n That is rascaldom. Where it is written that \"Thou shall not kill animals\"? \"Thou shall not kill.\" \"Thou shall not kill\" means you shall not kill anything. [break]",
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"content": "\n ...because Jesus ate fish. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n What is that?",
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"content": "\n He said, \"The fish can say, 'It's not what goes in your mouth, its what comes out of your mouth that's important.' \"\nGurudas\n:\n Because Jesus ate fish.",
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"content": "\n Jesus said?\nGurudas\n:\n He said that the... [break]\n [indistinct] allowed.\nGurudas\n:\n But if there's no vegetables, you have to eat something.",
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"content": "\n I read an article once that said...",
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"content": "\n No, no. The thing is that one has to eat. And whatever you eat, that is coming out of some living entity, even if you eat vegetables. The vegetable has also life, the tree, the plant. So the real explanation is that you take which is offered to Kṛṣṇa. That is nice philosophy. Killing you have to do. Either you kill vegetable or animal, killing you have to do. Therefore our proposition is that you take the prasādam of Kṛṣṇa, so if killing is bad, then the responsibility goes to Kṛṣṇa. We take Kṛṣṇa's prasādam.\nSo this is the method. And Bhagavad-gītā says, yajña-śiṣṭāśinaḥ mucyante sarva kilbiṣaiḥ. Suppose you don't kill animal, but you kill vegetables, but still you are responsible. Bhuñjate te aghaṁ pāpā ye pacanty ātma-kāraṇāt [Bg. 3.13]. Anyone who is preparing food for his personal eating, he's eating all sinful activities. It may be vegetables or animals, it doesn't matter. Bhuñjate te aghaṁ pāpā.\nSo this is the best formula. But therefore, for crude people, those who are accustomed to killing, for them this is best advice: \"Thou shall not kill\". Next stage—prasādam. First of all let them stop. Generally, what is meant by killing... Actually, vegetarians, they do not kill, because if you take fruit from the tree, the tree is not killed. Is it not?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n You take grains, just like paddy or wheat. These plants, after producing the fruit, the grain, automatically they die. You are not killing. So those who are taking fruits, vegetable, grains, they are not actually killing. You take the milk... What is milk? Milk is transformation of the blood. So cow's milk means cow's blood, but still the cow is not killed. Cow's blood is nutritious, accepting this theory. Karnish[?], karnish it is called? Cow's blood? What is the meaning of karnish[?]? But by nature's way she is delivering you the blood, which is nutritious according to your science—but why you should kill her?\nSo any circumstances, the direct killing is not approved by any śāstra, any religion. Jīva hiṁsā. Caitanya Mahāprabhu also says, niṣiddhācāra jīva-hiṁsā [Cc. Madhya 19.159]. So jiva hiṁsā, violence upon other animals, that is against Vaiṣṇava principle. You cannot be violent. You cannot kill.",
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"content": "\n \"Thou shalt not kill\" is one of the Ten Commandments, which is much older than Jesus' teachings. Moses delivered the Ten Commandments to the people of Israel thousands of years before Jesus appeared. So they knew all of this before Jesus.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n They lived by the Ten Commandments, or were expected to, way before Jesus appeared. The Ten Commandments are Moses'..., it's Moses' teachings.\n They were all very much meat-eaters, though. In the time of Moses all the laws of kashruth, how to sanitary slaughter, which is supposedly given by God, these were all for meat-eating.\nGurudas\n:\n That came after the Book of Mishnah [a Talmudic book, considered to be the cornerstone of Judaism]. Mishnah recommends vegetarian.\n Really?\nGurudas\n:\n And also Lord Jesus says that if there is unnecessary killing of animal, that \"By my hand you shall be slain.\" In Genesis. He is stating, \"Yes, one may kill, but if there is unnecessary killing, by my hand you shall be slain.\" In Genesis.\n Also, in Genesis is says that \"The fruits and the herbs of the land shall be your meat.\" It's describing how man should live, and it says, \"The fruits and herbs of the land shall be your meat.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes, they were meat-eaters, so Jesus Christ replies that fruit should be your meat.",
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"content": "\n The whole key is that [indistinct] Jesus in one of his first meetings said that \"Disregard everything that has been taught in the past and listen to me.\" He speaks so many things, and he does not lay out so many basic principles about the eating of flesh, having illicit sex connections and so many things. He speaks just slightly touching the subject. He doesn't really give any basic principles. So they always say, \"Well, it's okay to do this, it's okay to do that, because Jesus said, 'Forget everything that was said in the past.' \" That's their basic principle.\n And he also said, \"I've not come to change the law.\" He did not come to change the law.\n That's just their standpoint. [indistinct] I don't mean to argue.\n The knowledge that we have of Jesus was not direct, but it was written down up to a hundred or two hundred years later in another language, called Aramaic, and scholars recently have discovered that wherever Jesus refers to fish, distributing fish, that that word actually refers to a type of sea plant that grows in the Sea of Galilee, which they make a type of bread out of. And it's not really fish but a type of vegetarian bread. This is what I read in an article. So, we don't have... [laughter]\n Śrīla Prabhupāda, there was a fish on Lakṣmī's hand yesterday. The Deities in the temple, where Lakṣmī had her hand up like this, there was a fish here across her hand. What is this?",
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"content": "\n That is a mark. Mark.",
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"content": "\n It's an auspicious sign.",
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"content": "\n Not actual fish.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Not that Lakṣmījī eats fish. [laughter] There are many other marks also.",
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"content": "\n So it's an auspicious mark. Would it be better if we gave up the eating of vegetables, then?",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n Would it be better if we gave up eating vegetables?",
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"content": "\n You cannot eat anything except kṛṣṇa-prasādam. Even if we eat vegetables, that is also sin. Bhagavad-gītā clearly says, bhuñjate te agham pāpā, ye pacanty ātma-kāraṇāt [Bg. 3.13]. If you prepare very nice pure foodstuff for eating yourself, then still you are eating sins. You have to prepare anything very nicely, offer it to Kṛṣṇa, then you take.\nThen you will be free from all sin. Yajña-śiṣṭāśinaḥ santo. Even there is sin... Sin there must be. Just like you are cooking, you are taking water from the jug, there are so many germs you are killing. The killing responsibility is there. In the higher sense, \"Thou shall not kill\" means you have to take the prasādam of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Jaya!",
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"content": "\n Otherwise, even you do ordinary killing, vegetable killing, you are killing so many germs. So in higher sense, if you take this principle of Bible, \"Thou shall not kill,\" that means you must eat kṛṣṇa-prasādam; otherwise you will be killing. In whichever you do, it will be killing. So our process is perfect: take kṛṣṇa-prasādam. Hmm?",
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"content": "\n What happens to the jīva souls who were fruits and vegetables that were offered to Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n Yes, there is jīva also. I say that even vegetable you are killing, but that killing responsibility goes to Kṛṣṇa. We are killing for Kṛṣṇa. Suppose in the vegetable there is life, but we are preparing food for Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n I think she wanted to know what happens to the soul. Supposing that a plant, we are killing the plant and offering in prasādam to Kṛṣṇa. The jīva soul who is living in the plant, what happens to him?",
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"content": "\n Because he is killed for Kṛṣṇa's purpose, so he gets immediately liberation.",
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"content": "\n This is a very sinful life they're living, unless we offer everything to Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Not anything. Kṛṣṇa, whatever says, you... Kṛṣṇa says, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyam [Bg. 9.26]. You can offer these things which is asked by Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Do they just get liberation, or do they go directly to Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n They go to Kṛṣṇa, or do they only get liberation? Do they go to Goloka Vṛndāvana?\n What kind of liberation?",
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"content": "\n Well, liberation not always means that he goes directly. In the lower stage, liberation means to come out of the lower stage to the human form of body. Then he gets chance for directly serving Kṛṣṇa, then real liberation takes... [break]\nGuest\n:\n ...and I would like to invite...\n All right. [end]",
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"content": "\n I have read that in life there are three guṇas – passion, ignorance, and goodness. I was wishing that you would explain this somewhat, especially what is meant by the mode of ignorance and the mode of goodness.\n In goodness you can understand things – knowledge. You can know that there is God, that this world was created by Him, and so many things, actual things – the sun is this, the moon is this – perfect knowledge. If one has some knowledge, even though it may not be perfect, that is goodness. And in passion one identifies with his material body and tries to gratify his senses. That is passion. And ignorance is animal life – in ignorance, one does not know what is God, how to become happy, why we are in this world. For example, if you take an animal to the slaughterhouse, it will go willingly. This is ignorance. But a man will protest. If a goat is to be killed after five minutes but you give it a morsel of grass, it is happy because it is eating. That is ignorance.",
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"content": "\n Being in these modes determines your karma. Is that correct?",
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"content": "\n Yes. According to the association of the modes of nature, your activities are being contaminated. Kāraṇaṁ guṇa-saṅgo ’sya sad-asad-yoni-janmasu: “A man gets a higher birth or lower birth according to the association of the guṇas, or the modes of nature.” [Gītā 13.22]",
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"content": "\n So, cheating and things like that – what mode is that?",
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"content": "\n Cheating is mixed passion and ignorance. Suppose one man cheats another. That means he wants to obtain something; he is passionate. But if he commits murder, he does not know that he will have to suffer for it. So it is a mixture of passion and ignorance.",
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"content": "\n And what about when somebody helps another person?",
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"content": "\n That is goodness.",
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"content": "\n Why is that goodness? You said that goodness is when you have knowledge. So helping someone represents knowledge of what? ",
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"content": "\n If he is ignorant and you are trying to enlighten him, that is goodness.",
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"content": "\n So giving knowledge is goodness?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n And what about just giving assistance?",
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"content": "\n That is also goodness.",
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"content": "\n If a beggar has nothing and you give him alms …",
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"content": "\n That may still be goodness. But in your Bowery Street, they give someone charity, and immediately he purchases a bottle of wine and drinks and lies down flat. [All laugh.] So that is charity, but that is not goodness; that is ignorance.",
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"content": "\n Charity can be ignorance?",
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"content": "\n There are three kinds of charities – in goodness, passion, and ignorance. Charity in goodness means giving charity where charity must be given. Just like this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement – if anyone gives charity to this movement, that is charity in goodness because it is spreading God consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is charity in goodness. And if one gives charity for some return, that is charity in passion. And if somebody gives charity at an improper place and time, without respect, and to an unworthy person, just like the Bowery man, that is charity in ignorance. But Kṛṣṇa says, yat karoṣi yad aśnāsi yaj juhoṣi dadāsi yat: “Whatever you do, whatever you eat, whatever you offer or give away, and whatever austerities you perform – do that as an offering to Me.” [Gītā. 9.27] If Kṛṣṇa takes your offering, that is the perfection of charity. Or anyone who is a representative of Kṛṣṇa – if he takes it, that is perfection.",
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"content": "\n And what kind of charity is it when you give food to somebody who is hungry?",
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"content": "\n Well, that depends on the circumstances. For example, if a doctor has forbidden his patient to take any solid food, and if the patient is asking, “Give me some solids,” and if you give him solid food in charity, then you are not doing good to him. That is ignorance.",
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"content": "\n Are the devotees beyond accumulating karma? These devotees – do they feel karma? Do they work in these modes? Are they in the mode of goodness?",
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"content": "\n They are above goodness! Śuddha-sattva. The devotees are not in this material world. They are in the spiritual world. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā [14.26]:\nmāṁ ca yo ’vyabhicāreṇa\n \nbhakti-yogena sevate\nsa guṇān samatītyaitān\n \nbrahma-bhūyāya kalpate\n[“One who engages in full devotional service, unfailing in all circumstances, at once transcends the modes of material nature and thus comes to the level of Brahman.”] Devotees are neither in goodness, passion, nor ignorance. They are transcendental to all these qualities.",
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"content": "\n A devotee who is very faithful reaches this stage?",
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"content": "\n Yes. You can become a devotee as they have become. It is not difficult. Simply you have to engage yourself in the transcendental loving service of the Lord, that’s all.",
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"content": "\n What is the status of service minus devotion?",
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"content": "\n Hmm? That is not service, that is business. [Everyone laughs.] For example, here in Māyāpur we have employed a contractor. That is not service – that is business. Is it not? Sometimes they will advertise, “Our customers are our masters.” Is it not? But in spite of the flowery language – “Our customers are our masters” – this is business, because nobody is a qualified customer unless he pays. But service is not like that. Caitanya Mahāprabhu prays to Kṛṣṇa, yathā tathā vā vidadhātu lampaṭo mat-prāṇa-nāthas tu sa eva nāparaḥ: “You do whatever You like, but still You are my worshipable Lord.” That is service. “I don’t ask any return from You.” That is service. When you expect some return, that is business.",
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"content": "\n I wish to gain more knowledge of God and be able to feel God’s presence more. I feel life has little meaning without this.",
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"content": "\n Yes! If you misuse this human form of life, then it is a great loss. Human life is a great chance given to the living entity to get out of the entanglement of material existence.",
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"content": "\n I feel thankful that I’ve been able to ask these questions.",
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"content": "\n Yes, you can learn more and more. Questions and answers are required. They are beneficial to all. Sūta Gosvāmī says [Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.2.5]:\nmunayaḥ sādhu pṛṣṭo ’haṁ\n \nbhavadbhir loka-maṅgalam\nyat kṛtaḥ kṛṣṇa-sampraśno\n \nyenātmā suprasīdati\n[“O sages, I have been justly questioned by you. Your questions are worthy because they relate to Lord Kṛṣṇa and so are relevant to the world’s welfare. Only questions of this sort are capable of completely satisfying the self.”] So, questions about Kṛṣṇa are very good. When you discuss and hear about Kṛṣṇa, that is loka-maṅgalam, auspicious for everyone. Both the questions and the answers.",
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"content": "\n I am attracted to devotional life, but I still have my connections at home. Marriage is … I’m engaged.",
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"content": "\n No, no. There are so many marriages [indicates Śyāmasundara]. He is married. Marriage is no barrier. I told you that there are four orders of spiritual life – brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha, and sannyāsa. So after brahmacārī life, one can marry, although it is not obligatory. One may remain naiṣṭhika-brahmacārī – unmarried for his whole life. But a brahmacārī may marry. And after marriage, there is vānaprastha life. This means that one is a little aloof from family – the husband and wife live separately. At that time there is no sex life. Then when he is fully renounced, detached from family life, he takes sannyāsa.",
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"content": "\n Does the sannyāsī forget his wife completely then?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Forgetting is not very difficult, if you try to forget. Out of sight, out of mind. [All laugh.] Just as I have my wife, children, grandchildren – everything. But, out of sight, out of mind, that’s all. Therefore, vānaprastha, sannyāsa – everything is nicely arranged by the Vedic system.",
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"content": "\n ...iti matvā bhajante māṁ budhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ [Bg. 10.8]:\n[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]\n\"I am the origin of everything.\" Everything means universe also. Whatever you can imagine, that comes within the category of \"everything.\" So if Kṛṣṇa is the source of everything, then if you love Kṛṣṇa, then you love universe. Actually that is so. If you love your father, then you love your brother.\nIf you love your country, then you love your countrymen. Suppose we are in foreign country, and here is one gentleman India, from India; I am from India. So naturally we ask, \"Oh, you come from India? Which part of India you come?\" Why attraction for that person? Because I love India. And because he happens to be Indian, therefore I love him.\nSo the love begins from the origin. If you love your body, then you love your finger. If you are careless of your body, your health, you don't care for your finger. Therefore Bhagavad-gītā says that,\nahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo\nmattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate\niti matvā [bhajante māṁ]\nbudhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ\n[Bg. 10.8]\nIti matvā bhajante mām. One who has understood this fact, that God is the origin of all emanation... One who has understood this fact very nicely, scientifically, then, by loving God, you love everything, universe.\nIf you think that \"God is something manufactured by my imagination,\" then you cannot love universe or God. You have to understand the position of God. In every literature, in every scripture... Just like in your Bible it is said, \"God said, 'Let there be creation.' So there was creation.\" So creation is the universe. So God created this universe. So if you love God, then you love the universe. That is automatically. If I say, \"I love my body\"—everyone loves his body—that does not mean I do not love my finger.\nSo a God conscious person... There is a nice example. A hunter—in Sanskrit language it is called vyādha—he was hunting in the forest and killing the animals, boar and other, deer and so many animals—hunter's business is to kill animals—so half..., half-dead. And Nārada was passing through that road. He saw that \"These half-dead animals are flapping. Who has killed them in that way, half-dead? Why not full kill?\" So he went to the vyādha, hunter, that \"Why you are doing this business? Better kill them altogether so that they may not suffer. It is a great sinful act.\"\nSo he explained, \"Oh, I do not know what is sinful or not, pious. My father has taught me this business. I am doing this.\" So Nārada explained him, \"So it is not a very good business. You better do another business for your livelihood. Simply killing, and half-killing—better kill them fully. That is also [not] very good.\" So he said, \"Then I am committing sins?\" And Nārada said, \"Yes, you are committing sins.\" \"Then, if I give up this business, how shall I eat, my living?\" Nārada said, \"All right, I shall give you your necessities of life. I shall supply you. You give up this business.\"\nSo he was initiated, and he was seated in a sacred place. So the villagers understood that a vyādha, a hunter, has become a great saint. So everyone was coming and offering some rice, some flowers, some fruits. So he was executing his devotional service according to instruction of Nārada. Then, after some time, Nārada wanted to show that devotee to his friend, Pārvata Muni, and he was coming to that devotee, hunter devotee. At that time the devotee was going to receive Nārada, and while going, he was very careful that a ant may not be killed on the path. So he was jumping. Whenever there was an ant, he was jumping.\nSo Nārada inquired that \"While you were coming here, why you are jumping?\" So he said, \"Sir, there are so many ants. So how can I kill ant?\" Just see. The same man who was without any kindness, killing so many animals, he has become kind to the ant even.\nThis is universal. As soon as you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, as soon as you become God conscious, then your real universal, ideal universal consciousness develops. Otherwise it is all simply jugglery. There are so many doctrines of universal love, universal friendship, fraternity, but they are fighting, and they are killing simply, because there is no God consciousness. If you are universal, if you are after universal love, then how you can maintain regular slaughterhouse? How you can think that an American gentleman or lady is your countryman, and not a cow, and not a goat, not a serpent? Where is your universal idea?\nSo unless there is development of God consciousness, this universal idea, oh, these are nonsense. There cannot be. It is all false, jugglery of words. So first business is to understand your identity, identity of God, your relationship, and your action reformed in that way. Then there is question of universal brotherhood, universal... Otherwise it is simply jugglery of words.\nIf you are thinking of universal way, how you can give protection to a human being born in America, and send a cow to the slaughterhouse? What is your reason?",
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"content": "\n This would be a personal love.",
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"content": "\n Universal means all. You have to love everyone.",
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"content": "\n If I didn't love the cow as equally with a child, then it is a personal love, because I'm defining qualifications.",
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"content": "\n But how can you avoid this personal?",
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"content": "\n Because to love the child only, I have to exclude other things, meaning the cow.",
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"content": "\nWhen you love, how can you avoid a person? What do you mean by love? Whenever you love universally... In the universe there are so many men, animals, and plants and beasts and birds, and so many things. So we have to love everyone. That is universal. You cannot discriminate, \"Oh, this is not universal; this is universal.\" Universal means all-including. So how you can avoid this person or imperson? You have to love everyone. That is universal.",
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"content": "\n If I don't do that, then I have a love with limitations, and this is false. This would be...",
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"content": "\n No. Not limitation. The point is, if you love the root, then you love everything. Just like if you pour water on the root of the tree, then the branches, the flowers, the leaves, the fruits and everything is nourished. So you have to know the technique, how to love the whole. If somebody is loving the tree—he is putting water in each every leaf, every branch, every flower—he is spoiling his time. Another intelligent man goes and he pours one bucketful of water on the root—oh, it is distributed.\nThis is foolishness, that without knowledge of the root, you want to love the branches. Your body. You love your body. Why do you supply your food in the stomach? Why not to the eyes, to the ears, to the nose? Why not individually, every finger, every hand, every part, every hair? No. As soon as you put the foodstuff to the stomach, the energy is at once distributed everywhere. Similarly, universal love means to love God.\nThey do not know the technique. Just this man, this hunter, he loved God, he became lover of the ant automatically. There was no need of separate education, that \"You love this ant, you love this cow, you love this tree, love this country, love this man, love white man, black man, this man...\" No. As soon as you love God, and you understanding what is God, then you love everything.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that,\nsarva-yoniṣu kaunteya\nsambhavanti mūrtayaḥ yāḥ\ntāsāṁ mahad yonir brahma\nahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā\n[Bg. 14.4]\n[It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kuntī, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father.]\nPeople are accepting Bhagavad-gītā as something Indian or Hindu, but actually it is not. It is universal. Kṛṣṇa says that there are so many forms of living entities. There are 8,400,000's of different types of bodies. \"And all of them are My sons.\" So if you love Kṛṣṇa, then you love white man, you love American, you love European, you love Indian, you love cow, you love dog, you love serpent—everything.\nSo we have to know the techniques. Simply by theoretical knowledge you cannot make any improvement. These are practical example. Because there is no love for God at the present moment, all this nonsense universal love, fraternity, are going to hell. Therefore we are interested in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. You have to change your consciousness, make it full with Kṛṣṇa, or God. Then everything will be all right.\nAll right. Thank you. And if you kindly come and inquire in this way, we shall be very glad to answer as far as possible. Now let us have little kīrtana. It is quarter to nine. Please join with this kīrtana, Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nIt is very simple: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare / Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma...\n[15:17]\n[Prabhupāda leads kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] [break] [end]",
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So the fighting was good, because it was the will of the Absolute Personality of Godhead. Therefore at the end of understanding Bhagavad-gītā, Arjuna agreed, \"Yes, I shall fight.\"\nSo fighting for the matter of executing the desire of the Supreme Will is also absolute. It is not different from Absolute Truth. So sometimes it is... Just like we sometimes see mock-fighting, because that fighting spirit is there. The father and son, the little son is fighting with the father. That is not fighting, but the mock fight. But the fighting spirit is there. You cannot deny it.\nSimilarly, the fighting spirit is there. Sometimes that is exhibited by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And He wanted to exhibit such fighting spirit, so who will fight with Him? Ordinary living being cannot fight with the Supreme Lord. Therefore some of His devotees, some of His associates, must fight with Him.\nJust like in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that Arjuna was inquiring from Kṛṣṇa that \"You say that millions of years before, You spoke this Bhagavad-gītā yoga to the sun-god.\" Imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam [Bg. 4.1]. \n[The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.]\nThe Lord said that \"Many, many, many, many millions of years before, ago, I explained this science of Bhagavad-gītā to the sun-god.\" Now, to eliminate any doubts in the mind of ordinary persons like us, Arjuna inquired that \"Kṛṣṇa, You are my friend. We are almost of the same age. How do you say that You explained this Bhagavad-gītā millions and millions of years ago to the sun-god? How can I believe it?\" In answer to this question, Kṛṣṇa said that \"Both you...\"\n[break] \"...descended on this material world many, many times, but you have forgotten; I remember.\" That is the nature of ordinary living entity. The nature is forgetfulness. But God does not forget. He knows past, present and future. That is the difference between Arjuna and Kṛṣṇa.\nSo the fighting spirit, it is to be understood. The fighting spirit is there in the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and it is exhibited at a certain period just to teach us that when fighting should be taken. Fighting is not very good thing, but if there is necessity... Just like in the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra. The Battlefield of Kurukṣetra was organized by two rival parties. One party was pious; another party was impious. So Kṛṣṇa took side of Arjuna, and he was victorious. That is the history of Kurukṣetra fight.\nSo the Lord wanted to exhibit His fighting spirit. And who will fight with Him? Therefore two of His devotees were resigned that they should go in the material world and fight with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Because in the Vaikuṇṭha world there is no question of fighting. There is no enmity. Everyone accepts the Supreme Personality of Godhead as the protector, as the master, as the Lord, and they serve faithfully. So there is no question of fighting.\nIn the material world everyone wants to be the lord, everyone wants to be God, so therefore there is fight. The fighting here takes place because everyone wants to lord it over the material nature, so there is difference of interest. I want to be lord, you want to be lord: now there must be fight. But in the Vaikuṇṭha world there is one Lord and all others servitor. Therefore there is peace.\nSo fighting was not possible in the Vaikuṇṭha world; therefore these two doorkeepers were sent to the material world by the plan of the Supreme Lord so that they could fight as Hiraṇyakaśipu and Hiraṇyākṣa with the Lord. That is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nNow, the spiritual spark is entering into the material world, penetrating seven layers. This is called avyakta, nonmanifested. Just like in the sky there are nonmanifested and manifested things. If you go high, some twenty-five thousand, fifty thousand miles up, you'll simply find in the sky nothing manifested. But if you go still higher, higher, higher, you will find some other planet existing. So the part which is nonmanifested is called avyakta, and the part which is manifested, that is called vyakta.\nSo these two souls from Vaikuṇṭha, they are coming into this material world. So they're penetrating the nonmanifested matter. As the matter... Five elements—earth, water, fire, air, ether. And then... These are gross elements. And there are subtle elements: mind, intelligence, ego. And then spiritual. Our body is composed of three things—the spirit soul, and it is covered by subtle body: mind, intelligence ego; and there is gross body: fire, water..., earth, water, fire, air, ether.\nSo this universe, this universe is only one universe, but there are millions of universes, and they are covered with the gross and subtle elements. And penetrating that gross and subtle elements, when one comes to the sky, there are innumerable planets. The planets are seen, the suns and stars, like that. So the two souls, Jaya and Vijaya, they are coming on this earth. That is shown in this picture.\nNow, they came as demons because they had to fight with the Supreme Lord. The devotees will not fight. The devotees are servitor, but the atheists, the demons, they are always inimical to the Personality of Godhead. That is the nature. Demonic nature means they do not believe in God. \"Oh, what nonsense, God. I am God.\" Although he's a dog, he thinks himself \"I am God.\" That is demonic nature. He is being kicked every minute by the laws of nature, and still, he is superficially thinking that \"I am God.\"\nGod is not so cheap, but they have made to become God is very cheap. If you pay thirty-five dollars to a person, he'll give you a mantra and you become within six months God. This is very nice statement, and people will follow. Thousands and thousands will follow. But if you say, \"Oh, you have to undergo much austerity, penance, regulation and tapasya,\" \"Oh, this is botheration. We shall enjoy material life, and the same time become God.\"\nSo these cheap things are exhibited by the demons. And when a demon is born, the natural disturbances are there. When there are natural disturbances, we must know that there is some demonic principle. That is stated in the all Vedic scriptures. At the present moment, because we are increasing daily demonic principles, or demonic population is increasing, we are meeting with so many disturbances. So when these two demons, playing the part of demons, they also took birth on this planet, there were so many disturbances, and this picture is there, that so many disturbances are being created at the time of their birth. Next picture. Ah.\nSo when the demons became full-fledged human being, got this body... Demons and... There are two classes of men. One is called demon, and other is called demigod, or god. The demigod and the... The difference between demons and demigod is that the demigods, they are also human being, but they obey the Supreme Personality of Godhead and they believe in the supremacy of the Supreme Lord. But the demons, they do not believe in the existence of God or they obey the supremacy of the Lord. That is the difference between demons and demigods.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā also, in other scriptures also, you'll find, dvau bhūta-sargau loke 'smin daiva āsura eva ca [Bg. 16.6]. \n[O son of Pṛthā, in this world there are two kinds of created beings. One is called the divine and the other demonic. I have already explained to you at length the divine qualities. Now hear from Me of the demoniac.]\nThere are two classes of men—men means living entities—either in this planet or any other planet. But in this planet the demons, number of demons, are great, not in other planets. So there are two classes of men. One class is called demon, and other classes are god, or demigod. And what is the difference between them? Now, viṣṇu-bhaktaḥ bhaved daivaḥ. The godly persons, who are devoted to the Lord, they are called demigods. And asuras tad-viparyayaḥ [Padma Purāṇa]. \n[There are two classes of men in the created world. One consists of the demoniac and the other of the godly. The devotees of Lord Viṣṇu are the godly, whereas those who are just the opposite are called demons.]\nAsura means demons. They are just opposite number. They are very much against anything God. They want simply, cheaply, to become God. That is their demonic principle.\nSo where..., there was fight. And the demons are always very much inimical to the gods. There are many men... You have got experience, some of you, that if you speak something about God, they become very angry: \"What nonsense, God? I am God. Everyone is God. What special qualification of God?\" This is demonic principle. So there is always... Not now; there is always fighting between the gods and the demons. So when these demons grew up with full-fledged strength by the grace of the Lord, so they fought with the demigods in other planets. And sometimes the demons became victorious, sometimes the gods became victorious.\nSo when the gods became victorious, Hiraṇyakaśipu, his wife was arrested. At that time, his wife was pregnant, and the demigods arresting the wife of Hiraṇyakaśipu was dragging her to take her into their, I mean to say, planet. In the meantime, Nārada Muni met. Nārada Muni asked them, \"What you are doing? This innocent woman you are dragging?\" They replied that \"The woman is innocent, I know,\" the head of the demigods, Indra, \"but she is pregnant, and the child is born of the demon. So we shall keep this woman under our custody, and as soon as the child is born we shall kill him. That is our program. We are not going to do any harm to the woman.\"\nSo Nārada Muni informed that \"This child, although he's born of a demon father, he's a great devotee. He's a great devotee, and do not try to kill. Neither you can kill him. This is not possible.\" But the demigods, they accept the instruction of the authority. Nārada is an authority. So immediately they accepted that \"This woman has got a child who is a great devotee.\"\nSo in order to show respect to the child, they offered their obeisances and circumambulated the mother and they left the woman. They went to their own places. And Nārada advised the wife of Hiraṇyakaśipu, \"My dear daughter, you don't worry. I shall give you protection. Your husband has gone away. So long he does not come back, I will give you protection. You come to my āśrama.\"\nSo he took the woman to his āśrama, and as it is the duty of saintly person to instruct about God and His activities, so he was daily explaining about God and His activities, and the child was hearing from the womb of his mother. The mother was anxious to give protection to the child, but the child was fortunate that he was hearing directly from the Nārada. And as a result of this, when the child came out of the womb of his mother he became a great devotee...\n[break] So will it go on, still more?",
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"content": "\n [leads singing of Brahma-saṁhitā 5.29–33]\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\nlakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.29]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.\n]\nveṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣam-\nbarhāvataṁsam asitāmbuda-sundarāṅgam\nkandarpa-koṭi-kamanīya-viśeṣa-śobhaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.30]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is adept in playing on His flute, with blooming eyes like lotus petals with head decked with peacock's feather, with the figure of beauty tinged with the hue of blue clouds, and His unique loveliness charming millions of Cupids.]\nālola-candraka-lasad-vanamālya-vaṁśī-\nratnāṅgadaṁ praṇaya-keli-kalā-vilāsam\nśyāmaṁ tri-bhaṅga-lalitaṁ niyata-prakāśaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.31]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, round whose neck is swinging a garland of flowers beautified with the moon-locket, whose two hands are adorned with the flute and jeweled ornaments, who always revels in pastimes of love, whose graceful threefold-bending form of Śyāmasundara is eternally manifest.]\naṅgāni yasya sakalendriya-vṛtti-manti\npaśyanti pānti kalayanti ciraṁ jaganti\nānanda-cinmaya-sad-ujjvala-vigrahasya\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.32]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, whose transcendental form is full of bliss, truth, substantiality and is thus full of the most dazzling splendor. Each of the limbs of that transcendental figure possesses in Himself, the full-fledged functions of all the organs, and eternally sees, maintains and manifests the infinite universes, both spiritual and mundane.]\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\nlakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.29]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.\n]\nadvaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam\nādyaṁ purāṇa-puruṣaṁ nava-yauvanaṁ ca\nvedeṣu durlabham adurlabham ātma-bhaktau\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.33]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is inaccessible to the \nVedas,\n but obtainable by pure unalloyed devotion of the soul, who is without a second, who is not subject to decay, is without a beginning, whose form is endless, who is the beginning, and the eternal \npuruṣa;\n yet He is a person possessing the beauty of blooming youth.]\n[prema-dhvani] [devotees offer obeisances]\n[aside:] Stop. Stop. Hmm. Yes. Thank you.",
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"content": "\n Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. [Prabhupāda and devotees repeat] [leads chanting of verse, etc.]\nsa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo\nyato bhaktir adhokṣaje\nahaituky apratihatā\nyayātmā suprasīdati\n[SB 1.2.6]",
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"content": "\nThat's all right. [devotees continue chanting] Hmm. Word meaning.",
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"content": "\nsaḥ—that; vai—certainly; puṁsām—for mankind; paraḥ—sublime; dharmaḥ—occupation; yataḥ—by which; bhaktiḥ—devotional service; adhokṣaje—unto the Transcendence; ahaitukī—causeless; apratihatā—unbroken; yayā—by which; ātmā—the self; suprasīdati—completely satisfied.\nTranslation: \"The supreme occupation, or dharma, for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted in order to completely satisfy the self.\"",
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"content": "\n So here the translation, dharma, I have purposefully given, \"occupation.\" Actually dharma is generally translated by the English word \"religion.\" But religion is misunderstood. It is taken as a faith. Faith I may believe, faith, or may not believe. But actually, dharma does not mean. That means occupation, which you cannot change.\nJust like a carpenter: he earns his livelihood by his occupation as a carpenter. A lawyer, he lives by his occupation, profession, as lawyer. So, so many things. Occupation you cannot give up. You have learned engineering; you cannot give up engineering. That is your livelihood. You cannot say, \"No. Today I am engineer. Tomorrow I shall be sweeper.\"\nOf course, in the material world sometimes it is done so, but spiritual meaning means that the living entity has got a permanent occupation. The other occupational duties, they are temporary, bodily, in relation to body. When we feel \"I am this body,\" then I manufacture some occupation according to the circumstances. But spiritual occupation, that is eternal.\nSa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmaḥ. Para means transcendental. We have got some duties—just like we go to evacuate, to pass urine or to take food, take bath. These are the occupations of the body. Similarly, there are occupations of the mind, intelligence. But there is occupation of the soul also. That we do not know.\nSo the question was that \"After departure of Kṛṣṇa from this planet to His abode,\" dharmaḥ kaṁ śaraṇaṁ gataḥ, \"under whom the real occupational duty was entrusted?\" Kṛṣṇa also came to give us the real occupational duty—not of the body or the mind. Bodily occupational duty changes, because as soon as the body is changed...\nI am now human being, and next time, if I become some animal, so my occupational duty changes. Or if I become demigod, my occupational duty changes. The body is born in India, so one is feeling that \"It is my duty to serve my country.\" Similarly, an Englishman is thinking to serve his country.\nBut these occupational duties are not para. Para means transcendental, supreme. This is temporary. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]: \"This is your real occupation. You have got some bodily occupation, some mental occupation, some intellectual occupation, but you have to give up all these things. Simply surrender unto Me. This is your real occupation.\" Kṛṣṇa says. And Kṛṣṇa descends to teach us this dharma, or occupational duty.\nHe has explained karma-yoga, jñāna-yoga, dhyāna-yoga. These are all occupational duties of the body, of the mind, of intelligence. But real occupation... Because soul is eternal. The body is not eternal. Mind also changes according to body, or according to mind the body becomes...\nSo we are contaminating so many qualities of nature, and we are making our concoction, manufacturing our duty. A drunkard, because he has mixed with the quality of drunkards, he thinks, \"Drinking is my duty.\" When you mix with the hippies, then you become like the hippies: \"Oh, it is my duty,\" unless you cannot stay in the society of the hippies.\nSo these occupational duties, this is faith. He thinks that \"This is my duty.\" \"Oh, as Hindu, I have to do it,\" \"As Christian, I must believe it,\" \"As Muslim, I must do it.\" But here it is stated, sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6]. Bhakti.\nThis is real dharma. Except bhakti, they are all pseudo. Therefore in the beginning of the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is said, dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavaḥ. All so-called cheating, pseudo-religious system is rejected. Dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavaḥ. Kaitava means cheating.\nCheating... Just like Śrīdhara Svāmī says, dharma artha kāma mokṣa [SB 4.8.41, Cc. Ādi 1.90], these are gradually progressive life. First of all, dharma. Unless one takes to some religious principle, he's not a human being. Dharmeṇa hīnāḥ paśubhiḥ samānāḥ [Hitopadeśa].\nHe's not a human; he's animal. Some sort of religious system the human being must follow. Therefore civilized man, either he's born in Western or Eastern country, he has got some religion. It may be Christian religion or Hindu religion or Muslim religion, Buddha religion. Any civilized man has some religion. That's a fact.\n[aside:] Don't sit like that.\nSo therefore dharma first. That is the beginning of humanity, human civilization. Otherwise animal. The animal, they don't say, \"I am Christian,\" \"I am Muhammadan,\" \"I am Buddhist,\" \"I am this.\" No. He's dog. He's cat. That's all. Finished. But a human being says, \"I am... I belong to this religion. I belong to that religion.\" That is required first.\nThey are rejecting religion. The churches are vacant. That means they are becoming cats and dogs. That is not improvement. They are thinking that \"I am now no more going to temple, no more going to church. I have come something, Communist\" or something like that. \"We don't care for these..\" That means you have got... This is the certificate that you have become animal. The animal never says that \"I belong to this dharma or that dharma.\" No.\nTherefore, distinction between animal and human being, that he must have some dharma. Dharma. And on religious principle, artha, economic development. Actually, if people become religious, then the economic development... Economic... You require some money to maintain yourself. So they will never be dishonest. Dishonest.\nIn India still there are merchants, they would not take profit more than twenty-five percent, highest. There is no question of black market. \"Now, I purchased this for one dollar. Oh, I am getting demand. I must charge five hundred times.\" No. That is irreligious. There are... Everything there is prescribed, that \"You cannot take more than this profit.\" So there was no black market, because people were religious.\nTherefore if civilization is based on religious life, it doesn't matter what religion he belongs to, he is elevated. Any religion. And therefore I ask the Christians that \"Lord Christ says that 'Thou shall not kill.' Why you are killing?\" They give some vague explanation. But actually a real Christian is as good as a real Hindu, as a real Mussulman—if he follows. No religion is bad. We don't say.\nBut the first-class religion is that... That is explained here: sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6]. Every religion teaches how to love God more or less. Why more or less? That is the only aim: how to learn how to love God. But they are rejecting God, what to speak of love. Rejecting. \"What is God, this nonsense? I am God. God is dead. Finished.\"\nSo this means at the present moment the whole human society has become animal. That's all. Their behavior is also like animal. Behavior is also like animal. And gradually, in this age people will become more and more animalistic. And they like to become animal. They say that \"We are going to nature, to remain naked, without any polished behavior. Lie down... Just like cats and dogs lie down on the street, I'll lie down.\" They are thinking this is ideal.\nSo just see that so much expenditure on education, university, father, mother's care, still care, but they are becoming cats and dogs. And they are taking it as advancement. Dharma artha. Artha must be on the basis of dharma. And kāma. Kāma means sense gratification. And last, at last, mokṣa, liberation.\nSo the whole aim is liberation. We are conditioned by this material nature. We have got this material body. Therefore our aim should be how to become liberated from this contamination, accepting birth after birth, material body. This is the need of human being. The animals cannot know that there is a thing like liberation. They cannot understand. The human being also says that after finishing this body everything is finished. That is liberation. No. This is animalism.\nSo dharma artha kāma mokṣa. So mokṣa, there are different types of mokṣa, or liberation. The Māyāvāda philosopher, the impersonalist, they think mokṣa means to merge into the effulgence of Kṛṣṇa, brahma-jyotir. That is also accepted, merging. But that kind of mokṣa is not accepted by the Vaiṣṇava, because to merge into the effulgence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead may be liberation from this material world, but that does not mean that is actual liberation.\nJust like if you, from darkness of night, if you come to the sunlight, it is light of course, but sunshine or sunlight, if you go up with your aeroplane, \"Now I shall live in the sunshine or sunlight and travel for millions of years...,\" you cannot travel millions of years. One day or three days or four days, then you come back again to this...\nIf you can approach the sun planet, then there is stay. Otherwise you have to come back. Similarly, those who are taking shelter of the effulgence, which is the bodily rays of Kṛṣṇa, they will have to come back. Many, many big, big sannyāsīs, they have come back again to these material activities.\nSo mokṣa... Sāyujya. It is called sāyujya-mokṣa, merging. Sāyujya, sārūpya, sālokya, sārṣṭi, sāmīpya—five kinds of liberation. So for the Vaiṣṇavas, this merging liberation is rejected. They accept the other four kinds of..., sārūpya, sālokya, sāmīpya, sārṣṭi. Means to possess equal opulence with God.\nAs Kṛṣṇa is full in six kinds of opulences, one can become almost as opulent as Kṛṣṇa. Not as Kṛṣṇa; as Viṣṇu. That is called sārṣṭi. One can have equal, exactly the same bodily features as Viṣṇu, four hands. That is called sārūpya. Sālokya, you can live in the same planet where Viṣṇu is living, Nārāyaṇa is living or Kṛṣṇa is living. Sālokya.\nSo... But a pure devotee does not accept even all these liberation. They don't ask for liberation. Pure devotee is satisfied only with the service of the Lord. That is pure devotion. Because there is no desire. That is explained here.\nAhaituky apratihatā. \"Oh, I am engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness because after death I shall go back to home, back to Godhead,\" of course, that's a fact. But a pure devotee even does not desire that. He says, \"Wherever Kṛṣṇa will keep me, I shall remain there. It doesn't matter whether heaven or hell. I don't care for it.\" Nārāyaṇa-parāḥ sarve na kutaścana bibhyati.\nActually one who is nārāyaṇa-para, pure Kṛṣṇa conscious devotee of the Lord, he's not afraid of going to hell or being promoted to heaven. For him everything is all right.\nnārāyaṇa-parāḥ sarve\nna kutaścana bibhyati\nsvargāpavarga-narakeṣv\napi tulyārtha-darśinaḥ\n[SB 6.17.28]\nFor heaven or hell, it doesn't matter. That is pure devotion. Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Brs. 1.1.11], without any desire. That is also desire, that \"I am going back to home, back to Godhead.\" But that desire is very highly qualified desire. But a pure devotee does not desire even that. Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Cc. Madhya 19.167].\nThey do not desire... What to... They do not desire even to go back to Godhead, and what to desire for being elevated or promoted to the heavenly planet. They simply want, \"Let me remain wherever Kṛṣṇa desires. I may be engaged in His service.\" That is pure devotee. That's all.\nAnyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. Jñānī, they want to merge. Karmī, they want to be elevated to the heavenly planet. Yogī, they wants mystic power. They want something. A pure devotee does not want anything. Therefore it is called ahaitukī. Hetu means cause. \"I am serving God for this cause: I'll go back to home, back to Godhead.\" That is also cause. So ahaitukī. No cause. \"Kṛṣṇa is my lovable Deity. I must serve.\" That is pure devotion.\nJust like Prahlāda Mahārāja was offered all kinds of facilities. \"Prahlāda, you have suffered for Me so much. Now you take whatever you like.\" Prahlāda Mahārāja replied, \"My dear Lord, it is not a good proposal. Because I am born of a father, passionate father. Generally, I am passionate, and You are so exalted, You can give me anything.\nSo I shall be inclined to ask You again. Just like my father had so many opulences. So kindly do not induce me in that way. I am not a merchant, that because I have rendered some service unto You, I expect some return. No. Sa vai vaṇik. It is not business with You. I am your eternal servant.\" Oh, just see. This is pure devotee.\nAhaitukī. No reason. \"It is my duty.\" That is occupational duty. \"It is my eternal occupation to serve You.\" These are the highest ideas of pure devotion. Ahaituky apratihatā. Then \"You are poor man. How you can serve Me?\" No. \"You are illiterate. You have no education. How can you can serve Me?\nYou cannot understand Vedānta philosophy. How you can know Me? How you can serve Me? You are poor man. You are poor man, you are woman, or you are śūdra.\" No. Apratihatā. Whatever you may be, either you are poor man or rich man or black man or white man or woman or man, it doesn't matter. Everyone has right to serve Kṛṣṇa. Apratihatā.\nThere is nothing in the material world which can check one's devotional service. It is so pure and exalted. Ahaituky apratihatā. And if you be situated in such kind of devotional service, yayātmā suprasīdati—immediately you become happy.\nThat is the standard of happiness. We are seeking, \"I may be happy in this way, I may be happy in that way.\" No. You can simply become happy when you are a pure devotee of the Lord, without any reason. Pure devotee. Ahaituky apratihatā yayātmā suprasīdati.\nRead the purport.",
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"content": "\n\"In this statement, Śrī Sūta Gosvāmī answers the first question of the sages of Naimiṣāraṇya. The sages asked him to summarize the whole range of revealed scriptures and present the most essential part so that fallen people, or the people in general, might easily take it up. The Vedas prescribe two different types of occupation for the human being. One is called the pravṛtti-mārga, or the path of sense enjoyment, and the other is called the nivṛtti-mārga.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Because we have come here, every one of us come in this material world for sense gratification. That is the cause.\nkṛṣṇa bhuliya jīva bhoga vañcha kare\npāśate māyā tāre jāpaṭiyā dhare\n[Prema-vivarta]\nBecause in the spiritual world, the only enjoyer is Kṛṣṇa. Bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram [Bg. 5.29]. He's the only proprietor. So therefore in the spiritual world, all the living entities...\nThere are many more times living entities in the spiritual world than in this material world. In the material world we see so many living entities, conditioned, 8,400,[000] species, and in each species, millions and millions are... And there are millions and millions of planets and universes. All these taken together, they are conditioned soul.\nSimilarly, many more times... This is called one-fourth creation, and the three-fourth creation is the spiritual world. Just imagine how many living entities are there. They're all mukta. They're liberated. Because they do not think that \"I am enjoyer.\" Kṛṣṇa is only enjoyer. Here everyone is thinking that \"I am enjoyer.\" I am enjoyer; therefore fight. You are enjoyer, I am enjoyer. So you are enjoying most... \"Oh, you have taken more food.\" Just like cats and dogs, they fight. Because the disease is that \"I am enjoyer.\"\nPrasāda means that whatever by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa I get, that is called prasāda. And when we fight, oh, that is not prasāda. Then immediately it becomes ordinary ḍāl wal.[?] So this is the center of devotion, that Kṛṣṇa is enjoyer. And as soon as we think that \"Now why Kṛṣṇa should be enjoyer alone? I am also enjoyer,\" that is māyā.\nSo mukti and conditioned, there is no difference. Simply due to our ignorance we become conditioned. If we change the ignorance, immediately we are mukta. Immediately liberated. Just like... The same example: you're dreaming that \"I am being attacked by a tiger.\" So the mukti means some way or other if somebody pushes you and you are awakened, no more tiger; finished.\nSo mukti and conditioned life... The whole world is conditioned because there is no Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And as soon as one takes to Kṛṣṇa conscious, he is mukta, immediately liberated. What is that Kṛṣṇa conscious? Now, \"Kṛṣṇa is the enjoyer. I am not enjoyer. Why I am struggling so hard? Whatever prasāda will Kṛṣṇa give me, that's all.\" That is mukti.\nSo one can become liberated in one second. In one second. It doesn't take many lives or... But because we are fools and rascals, therefore it takes many, many births. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 7.19]. After many, many births, when one actually becomes jñānavān, wise, intelligent, he surrenders immediately. Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ [Bg. 7.19]. Immediately accepts Vāsudeva, Kṛṣṇa, is everything. That person is mahātmā. Sa mahātmā. But such kind of mahātmā is very rare. Sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ.\nSo just try to understand. Actually, there is no condition. It is a dream. By conditioned stage we are differentiating. Bheda-buddhi. Bheda-buddhi, that \"Kṛṣṇa is different from me. Who is Kṛṣṇa? I am Kṛṣṇa.\" The bheda-buddhi. So...\nWhat is that?",
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"content": "\n \"And the other is called the nivṛtti-mārga.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. This is called inferior and superior. Pravṛtti-mārga is inferior. Therefore if you don't accept pravṛtti-mārga under regulative principle... Just like a diseased person, typhoid, suffering from typhoid. Typhoid means intestinal disease. He cannot digest anything. So just to satisfy him the doctor says, \"\nAll right, give him little glucose water.\" What is the glucose water? The water only. But the patient will think that \"I am eating.\" He does not know, if he eats, he will die. If he eats, he will die. But the doctor, just to bluff him, \"All right. You take this glucose water.\" You see? But he must know that \"I am eating something.\" And he cannot digest more than glucose.\nSimilarly, in our diseased condition, we actually we cannot enjoy life. The sex impulse is there in the Vaikuṇṭha also. But they are so elevated that... After all, it is enjoyment. If you get better enjoyment, you give up. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate [Bg. 2.59]. That is the nature. You are enjoying something, but if you get better enjoyment, you give up this inferior enjoyment.\nSo don't think in the Vaikuṇṭha or in Goloka Vṛndāvana there is no sex impulse. There is—in Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. But not like this abominable way. The impulse is there in a perfect order. So they're enjoying. Not like this abominable sex life.\nThe devotees there, they are so much absorbed in Kṛṣṇa thought, they don't like to have sex. There are beautiful women, beautiful men, very, very. But they have got other engagement, very nice engagement. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate. Just like, for example, in this our society also, you see thousands of men are standing, paying to see some dead body. Sense enjoyment. You see?\nBut our men are not so rascal that they will stand for five hours to see some dead body. You see? Similarly, why? Why they are able not to go there, stand? Because they have seen something better. So the more you see better thing, you give up this abominable. That is progress of spiritual life. Thank you.",
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"content": "\n [Hindi] So you can speak something in English... And some of the messages... And, first of all you speak something.",
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"content": "\n[Chants Śrīla Prabhupāda Praṇati]\nI am offering my most respectful and humble obeisances unto the lotus feet of my Guru Mahārāja who is most dear unto Lord Kṛṣṇa for he has taken complete shelter of the Lord's transcendental lotus feet. We are offering our respectful and humble obeisances unto you Śrīla Prabhupāda because you are the servant of Sarasvatī Gosvāmī and you are so kindly delivering the message of Lord Caitanya-deva throughout the western countries and you are ridding them of impersonalism and voidism.\nBy the grace of our Guru Mahārāja we have somehow been able to hear this message of Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Before meeting Śrīla Prabhupāda our lives were very much enveloped in materialism and we were simply calculating how we could become advanced materially, thinking that we could become happy in life. But anyone who has tried simply to become happy through materialistic means knows that it is a very difficult path. In fact it is impossible to become happy materially alone. So by the grace of our Guru Mahārāja somehow we have been fortunate enough to hear this message of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nŚrīla Prabhupāda came just in the nick of time because for many of us we had become very much frustrated in our materialistic endeavours and Prabhupāda delivered this message of Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Caitanya Mahāprabhu's message is for everyone and it does not matter whether he is from India, or whether he is from the United States, whether he is from the Soviet Union. Caitanya Mahāprabhu's message is that everyone has a relationship with God, with Kṛṣṇa.\nBut that relationship has become forgotten and so it must be reawakened. Just like everyone, everyone is originally Kṛṣṇa conscious. But this Kṛṣṇa consciousness has been covered, just as the sun is sometimes becomes covered by the clouds. But still the sun is there, in the same way we are originally God conscious or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But we have forgotten that original consciousness. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu's instructions are for everyone, he says:\nharer nāma harer nāma\nharer nāmaiva kevalam\nkalau nāsty eva nāsty eva\nnāsty eva gatir anyathā\n[Cc. Ādi 17.21]\nIn this age of Kali the most effective way, or to uncover our original consciousness is by chanting this Hare Krishna mantra. And you can see from us here that it is not something artificial. Just like we are coming from western countries, we had perhaps never heard of Lord Kṛṣṇa five years ago. But simply by chanting this Hare Krishna mantra our relationship with Kṛṣṇa, our remembrance of Kṛṣṇa has been revived. So everyone has within him this natural love of God and simply it has to be revived and the process is this chanting of Hare Krishna mantra.\nToday is a very special day for us because it is the appearance day of Śrī Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī Mahārāja. Our spiritual master's Guru Mahārāja. Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta is the founder ācārya of the Gauḍīya Maṭha. The Gauḍīya Maṭha has so many branches throughout India and he is the most stalwart ācārya since the time of Śrī Rūpa Gosvāmījī, Śrī Jīva Gosvāmī. Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Mahārāja has given our Guru Mahārāja the mission of preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness in the English-speaking countries. And so it is by his grace also that we have had the chance to receive this Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nI would like to read these prayers which were written by my spiritual master Śrī A. C. Bhaktivedanta Svāmī Prabhupāda on the Vyāsa-pūjā day of his Guru Mahārāja. Prabhupāda wrote:\nAdore ye all,\nThe happy day.\nBlessed than Heaven,\nSweeter than May.\nWhen He appeared at Puri,\nThe holy place,\nMy Lord and Master\nHis Divine Grace.\nOh! my Master\nThe evangelic angel.\nGive us thy light,\nLift up thy candle.\nStruggle for existence\nA Human race,\nThe only hope\nHis Divine Grace.\nMisled we are\nAll going astray,\nSave us Lord\nOur fervent pray,\nWonder thy ways\nTo turn our face\nAdore thy feet\nYour Divine Grace.\nForgotten Krishna\nWe fallen souls.\nPaying most heavy\nThe illusion's toll.\nDarkness around\nAll untraced,\nThe only hope\nHis Divine Grace.\nAbsolute is sentient\nThou hast proved.\nImpersonal calamity\nThou hast moved.\nThis gives us a life\nAnew and fresh.\nWorship thy feet\nYour Divine Grace.\nHad you not come\nWho had told,\nThe message of Krishna\nForceful and bold,\nThat's your right\nYou have the mace.\nSave me a fallen\nYour Divine Grace.\nThe line of service\nAs drawn by you,\nIs pleasing and healthy\nLike morning dew.\nThe oldest of all\nBut in new dress\nMiracle done\nYour Divine Grace.\n[Pause] [end]",
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Table light?\n[chants maṅgalācaraṇa prayers]\noṁ ajñāna-timirāndhasya jñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena tasmai śrī-gurave-namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who with the torchlight of knowledge has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance.]\nśrī-caitanya-mano-'bhīṣṭaṁ sthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale\nsvayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ dadāti sva-padāntikam\n[When will Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet?]\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the Six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\nIn the last meeting we are discussing about the life of a fallen brāhmaṇa, Ajāmila. He was addicted to prostitute. Therefore his high standard of life became degraded.\nThis morning also we were reading in the Īśopaniṣad that God is apāpa-viddham. A means not, and pāpa means sin, and viddham, infected. The God is never infected by sin, sinful activities. Common sense. Just like a king orders somebody to be killed, \"This man should be killed.\" This killing is sinful for the ordinary citizen, but killing by the order of the supreme executive head, the president or the king, that is not criminal. If you say that \"Killing by me is criminal. Why it is not criminal for you, you, the president or the king?\" I am giving a crude example.\nSimilarly, if you go higher and higher, when you come to God... First of all, what is the conception of God? Conception of God is \"God is great. Nobody is greater than Him, and nobody is equal to Him.\" That is God. Asama-ūrdhva. The exact Sanskrit word is asama-ūrdhva. Asama means \"not equal.\" Nobody can be equal to God. This is analyzed by great ācāryas. They have analyzed the characteristics of God. They have characterized the characteristic are sixty-four. And out of that sixty-four, we have, we living entities, we have got fifty only. And that is also in very minute quantity. Fifty qualities of God we have got, but that is very..., in minute quantity.\nTake, for example, just like God has got also the tendency to love young girl. Take it for a crude example. Just like God is dancing with young girl. But we have also the same tendency. We also want to be surrounded by young girls and dance; we enjoy. But the thing is that you can enjoy in the company of a few girls. That is minute quantity. But God can dance with unlimited number of girls. That you cannot. These are crude examples.\nSo these sixty-four qualities, they have analyzed that we living entities, we have got in minute quantities. And amongst the living entities, the highest perfection is to be seen in the life of Brahmā, who is the chief living entity within this universe. So similarly, Lord Śiva has got fifty-five. Lord Nārāyaṇa has got sixty. But Kṛṣṇa has got in full sixty-four—cent percent, hundred percent all the qualities. Therefore either Lord Śiva or Lord Brahmā or the living entities, nobody can be equal to Him. This is the conception of God. Asamora-udhva.\nAnd in the Bhagavad-gītā you have seen that Kṛṣṇa says, mattaḥ parataraṁ nāsti kiñcid asti dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7]:\n[O conqueror of wealth [Arjuna], there is no Truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.]\n\"My dear Dhanañjaya, My dear Arjuna, there is nobody superior to Me.\" So just like some heating agent. You have got several heating agent. You have got heater in your apartment, oven in your apartment. There are so many different varieties of heater. But the heat of the sun cannot be compared with any other heat. You cannot say that \"Because I have got little heat, I have become sun.\" [chuckles]\nThis is ludicrous; it is not possible. So those who are claiming that \"I am God,\" \"Everyone is God,\" they are simply, what can I say, less-intelligent persons. [laughter] They have no conception what is God. They do not know what is God. This claim that \"I am God,\" that means he has no idea what is God. Therefore he is falsely claiming.\nYou may have minute quantity of God's quality, but that does not mean you are God. Just like the same example: you may have a minute quantity of the total heat of the sun, but that does not mean you are sun. So qualitatively we are one; everyone has got some temperature, 98 degrees. But not that a million degree. That is not possible. Why the million? If you rise your temperature to 107 degrees, then finished your life. These are practical.\nSo because Lord Kṛṣṇa is all-powerful, you cannot compare with Kṛṣṇa. He's apāpa-viddham. No contamination can touch Him. But for that reason you cannot say..., you cannot imitate Kṛṣṇa and you cannot say that \"No contamination can touch me.\" No. That is not possible. Therefore the whole life, our this human form of life, is a chance to purify so that we may approach. At least, if we get that fifty-five, fifty degrees, fifty parts or fifty fractional portion of God's quality, even in minute quality [quantity], then we can approach God.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that pavitraṁ paramam [Bg. 10.12]. \n[Arjuna said: You are the Supreme Brahman, the ultimate, the supreme abode and purifier, the Absolute Truth and the eternal divine person. You are the primal God, transcendental and original, and You are the unborn and all-pervading beauty. All the great sages such as Nārada, Asita, Devala, and Vyāsa proclaim this of You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me.]\nPavitram. Pavitra means purity. So \"You are, Kṛṣṇa, You are the supreme pure.\" So because we are trying, by Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we are trying to approach Kṛṣṇa... Just like if you want to approach the sun, the same example can be given. Everything is there in the nature. If you study minutely, you become learned philosopher. But if we want to enter the sun planet, then you must equip yourself. Just like you are trying to go to the moon planet by artificially dressing, but still, you cannot stay there more than a few hours—if we suppose that somebody has gone there.\nSo this is the position. If you want to enter into the sun planet also... That is also a planet. That is also possible. If it is possible to enter into the moon planet, then it is also possible to enter into the sun planet. Why not? And there are living entities. We get information from Vedic literature. But you have to raise your temperature so that you can exist there. Similarly, God is supreme pure. If you want to go back home, back to home, back to Godhead, then you have to become pure, without any contamination of this material world.\nThe contamination of material world is called seed. That is seed. Just like you infect some disease, germ, you become diseased. I have got some infection, so I am diseased. You may know it or not know it, that doesn't matter. If you infect, knowingly or unknowingly, you will be diseased. So what is that infection? That infection, that is stated in the Īśopaniṣad, we read in the..., every morning, īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1].\n[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]\nThis everything what we see, either in the sky or in the water or outside our vision, everything belongs to God. Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam.\nSo everything God's property. You cannot, even you are son of God, you cannot take anything without God's permission. Just like even your father's property. You'll inherit your father's... That's a fact. But suppose a father has got on the table one thousand dollars. If you take it without his permission, if you think that \"It is my father's money,\" but by law you become a criminal. Your father can prosecute you criminally. That is the state law. Even it is your father's money, even your father is very kind, but if you take your father's money without his permission, then you are a criminal. And what to speak of others?\nSimilarly, we are all sons of God. That's a fact. Kṛṣṇa says,\nsarva-yoniṣu kaunteya\nsambhavanti mūrtayaḥ yāḥ\ntāsāṁ mahad yonir brahma\nahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā\n[Bg. 14.4]\n[It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kuntī, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father.]\nAham. Kṛṣṇa says that \"All these living entities in 8,400,000's of species...\" He doesn't mean that only human being. The animals, the birds, beasts, trees, everything—all living entities—they are all sons of God. He says, ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ. The material nature is the mother.\nJust like in ordinary way, the father and mother requires to give a birth to a child. Similarly, this material nature is the mother. We have got this body from the mother, material nature. Just like we get the body from the mother's womb. Father gives the seed and mother gives the body. In the combination we get out. Similarly, ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā [Bg. 14.4]: Kṛṣṇa impregnates this material nature with the living entities, and when there is creation they come out. This is the process.\nSo we are fallen in this material condition of life, and because we have disobeyed without the permission of father, we have misused our independence; therefore we are condemned within this material world. The īśāvāsya, the Īśopaniṣad teaches us, therefore reminds us, that \"My dear human being...\" The śāstras, the scriptures, the Vedas, they're meant for human being, not for the dogs, cats. Those who are not taking advantage of these scriptures of Vedic literatures, they are no more than animals. Because animals, they cannot take advantage of this knowledge. But human being can take.\nTherefore it is said, indicated, in the śāstras, that this body is very suitable boat for crossing over this ocean of nescience. We are in the ocean. This outer space, the big space within this universe, it is to be considered just like a big ocean, and all the planets, they're just like islands. Therefore in the Vedic literature sometimes these planets are called dvīpa. Dvīpa means island. Śvetadvīpa. This planet is called Jambūdvīpa. Just like in the ocean, there are many hundreds of small, big island. Similarly, the ocean of air or outer space, there are so many planets. They are called dvīpas.\nSo īśāvāsyam... So all this belongs to God. And we, we are, because we are His sons, we have got the right to use our father's property, but not illegally. What is allotted to us by our father we can accept it. That's all. One who lives... That is stated in the Īśopaniṣad, that kurvann eveha karmāṇi jijīviṣec chataṁ samāḥ [Īśo mantra 2].\n[One may aspire to live for hundreds of years if he continuously goes on working in that way, for that sort of work will not bind him to the law of karma. There is no alternative to this way for man.]\nIf you accept this principle, then you can live for hundreds of years without any sin. Otherwise, you become complicated in the laws of material nature. And so long we are complicated, entangled, by the laws of material nature, then we shall have to transmigrate from this one kind of body to another kind of body, and our material existence will be prolonged.\nSo her I shall try to explain the teachings of Ṛṣabhadeva, His teachings to His sons. \"My dear son...\" Nāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke, \"My dear sons, this body,\" nṛloke... He has particularly mentioned nṛloke, this body in the human society. Ayaṁ dehaḥ, this body, nāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke. Deha-bhājām means anyone who is embodied. So the cats, dogs, trees, birds, beasts, insects, reptiles, they have all body. But He's specifically mentioning nṛloke, the body in the human society.\nAyaṁ dehaḥ, \"This body in the human society,\" nāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke kaṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye. [SB 5.5.1]\n[Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one's heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever.]\n\"It is not meant for working very hard to satisfy the senses.\" Why you are working so hard? What is the principle? What is the aim? Everyone is working very hard. What is the...? Sense gratification. So Ṛṣabhadeva says, \"Simply for sense gratification we should not work so hard.\"\nThat is the verdict of Vedic literature. If you say that we have got senses, so in order to keep the body fit, we have to give something for the enjoyment of the senses, that is accepted. Yes. But don't aggravate it. The śāstra says that do not increase artificially the demands of the senses. Then you will be entangled. Just like eating. We have got tongue, we have got belly. We require to eat something for maintaining the body. That's nice—you maintain. But do not try to satisfy the senses, tongue or belly or any other senses unreasonably.\nWhy? That is unreasonable... What is that unreasonable? Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthāḥ [Īśo mantra 1].\n[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]\nWhat is ordained to you, what is allotted to you, you eat. Just like for human being. Human being—Kṛṣṇa, or God, has given so many nice things. God has given us grains, rice, pulses, vegetables and fruits, flowers—so many—milk. Are they not sufficient for maintaining our body and soul together? Yes. Why not?\nThose who are vegetarians... Simply you take, for example, we, all the members in the temple, we live simply on these things: fruits, vegetables, grains, milk, that's all. So are we dying for want of food? Then why should we eat meat? What is the reason? Simply for satisfaction of the tongue? If I can live peacefully, otherwise which is allotted to me by God, why shall I give trouble to another animal for satisfaction of my tongue? What is the reason?\nIf you have no food... Of course, in the deserted country, just like Arabia, simply desert, sand, so for them they can kill some animal and eat, because they cannot die for want of food. But here, in America, you have got sufficient foodstuff. Why should you kill animals? You have got sufficient grains, sufficient food, sufficient milk, and is it very nice thing that you take milk from the cow, who is your mother, and kill at the same time? Is that very good reason?\nOh, therefore Ṛṣabhadeva says that this human form of body is not meant for mismanaging the whole thing for the satisfaction of the senses. That is not meant for human being. Nāyaṁ nṛloke. Nṛloke: a human society. He is speaking to the human society. We are speaking to the human society. We are not calling cats and dogs, \"Come here. Please hear Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\" That is not possible. They cannot. But we are inviting those who are enlightened human being, \"Please come. Just try to understand what is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement and be happy.\" That's all. We want to see every human being to be happy. That is our program.\nSo Ṛṣabhadeva says, kaṣṭān kāmān. Just like we are not criticizing the modern method of living—of course, automatically it becomes criticized—but we are speaking from the śāstras. He says, Ṛṣabhadeva says, kaṣṭān kāmān. For your sense gratification do not arrange something very dangerous, or very tiresome, laborsome. Make your life simplified, that is allotted by Kṛṣṇa. We have got in..., a place, New Vrindaban, in West Virginia. With little effort they produce so much vegetables that they cannot eat, they cannot finish. They cannot finish.\nSo God has given us land, God has given us producing experience, so wherever you live, it doesn't matter. If you have got a little plot of land and a cow, your whole economic question is solved. Why you should work so hard day and night?\nSo we have created a civilization simply working hard day and night, and the purpose is sense gratification. That's all. That is prohibited. Make your life simplified. Save your time for Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the program. Don't be implicated with sinful activities. Simple life. Just like your father says, \"My dear boy, you take your food just in time, and you do this work, and I'll be satisfied.\" If you do that, then father is satisfied. But if you take from the pocket of your father or from the cash box without his permission, then you are criminal.\nSo by God's arrangement, everything is there. Everything. Pūrṇam idam. Pūrṇam idaṁ pūrṇam adaḥ pūrṇam idaṁ pūrṇāt pūrṇam udacyate [Īśopaniṣad, Invocation].\n[The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the Complete Whole is also complete in itself. Because He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance.]\nEverything is complete in this world. There is no scarcity. We have simply created scarcity by our mismanagement. But if we take up the laws as they are prescribed in the scriptures and live peacefully, there is no scarcity. My Guru Mahārāja used to say that in this world there is no scarcity by the arrangement of God. But the only scarcity is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. People are not Kṛṣṇa conscious; they're materially conscious; they're sensually conscious. That has to be changed.\nSo Ṛṣabhadeva says that to satisfy our senses, that is also available in the life of a hog. Kaṣṭān kāmān arhate yad viḍ-bhujāṁ [SB 5.5.1]. \n[Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one's heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever.]\nViḍ-bhujam, a animal who eats stool, viḍ-bhujam. That means the hog. The hog is also an animal, a living entity, and you'll find that it is working whole day, wherever there is stool, simply searching out. Research work—\"Where there is stool?\" Because he has been made into that abominable condition of life that he is eating stool, he, still, he has to find out, \"Where is stool? Where is stool?\" You see?\nSo there are different grades of life. So does it mean that we shall live a life like a hog while we have got this human form of body? Just try to understand. The hog is eating stool, which is rejected by everyone. And still, he is searching that out, \"Where is that stool?\" You see? And it is called research work. So we should not make our life complicated like the hog. And what is the aim of his life, the hog? The aim of his life is sex. The hogs and..., especially hogs and goats, they're very sexually influenced. The hog does not discriminate. The monkeys, they do not discriminate—mother, sister or anyone—they must have sex.\nSo especially mentioned here: not like hog. Don't live like hog. This is the instruction of Ṛṣabhadeva. This human form of life is not meant for living like a hog. Then what it is for? That is stated in the next line, tapo divyam [SB 5.5.1]: \"My dear boys, this life is meant for tapasya.\" Tapasya means restraining your senses. That is. That is human life. That is human civilization. The more you restrain your senses from its activities, the more you're advanced, civilized, advanced in life. Tapasya. Tapasya means... Tapa, tapa, from tap, tapa comes. Tapa means temperature.\nSo if I restrain my senses, because we are, from time immemorial, we have been practiced to indulge our senses for gratification, and in the human form of life, because we have to control the senses, it sometimes gives us some pains. \"I am accustomed to do something, but my spiritual master said...\" Just like in this country I say that you cannot take meat, you cannot smoke. So all my students, they were accustomed to this habit, but by my order they have restrained. In the beginning there is some pain.\nSo that pain is called tapasya, voluntarily accepting little pain. Tapo divyam [SB 5.5.1]. And what for that pains taking? Divyam, for realizing the Absolute Truth. Not for that... Just like a student is working very hard to find out the possibilities of nuclear weapon. That is also tapasya. But what is that? For finding out some means to kill the human society. That sort of tapasya is not required, like Rāvaṇa's tapasya or Hiraṇyakaśipu's tapasya. Tapasya... Here it is especially emntioned that you accept, voluntarily accept some pain for realizing the Absolute. Tapo divyam.\nSo you may answer that \"Why shall I take so much pains for realizing the Absolute? I can take some pains here for material acquisition, I shall be happy here. I do not...\" That answer is also given: Tapo divyam..., tapo divyaṁ putrakā yena sattvaṁ śuddhyet [SB 5.5.1]: \"My dear boys, you just take to this austerity, life of austerity, for realizing the Absolute, by which your existence will be purified.\"\nWe began... Because we require..., this human form of life is meant for being purified. So just like a diabetic patient is advised by the physician not to take so many things—not to take sugar, not to take this, not to take this—that prohibition is meant for his curing.\nSimilarly, here also, if we accept some voluntary pains in giving up our sense gratificatory process, then our existence will be purified. Tapo divyam. Tapo divyaṁ putrakā yena sattvam [SB 5.5.1]. Sattvam means your existence. Yena sattvaṁ śuddhyet. Śuddhyet means becomes purified. Then you may ask, \"What is the result? Suppose if I purify by your prescription.\" Śuddhyed yasmād brahma-saukhyam anantam: because if you purify your existence, then you get unlimited pleasure.\nYour life is, you are finding out where is pleasure. That is ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt [Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12].\n[The aim of life is to come to the platform of happiness, where there is no distress at all, simply happiness.]\nEvery living entities is fit for enjoying, because he's part and parcel of God. Because he is part and parcel, he's also enjoyer, although in the minute quantity. But he can enjoy in association with God. So in order to enter into the association of God, he has to purify himself. Yasmād brahma-sau... Brahma, brahma-saukhyam. Brahma means the unlimited, or spiritual. Spiritual means unlimited, unending, eternal—the greatest. These are some of the meanings of brahma.\nSo you are searching after pleasure; that is your prerogative. That is your right. You must be. But you are searching in this sense gratificatory platform, you'll never get it. If you purify your this existence, then you get unlimited pleasure in your spiritual existence. Unlimited pleasure. Brahma-saukhyam anantam [SB 5.5.1]. Anantam means unlimited.\nSo this life we should utilize for purifying, not for extravagancy in sense gratification. You'll not suffer at... You'll... This is māyā. Actually, just like a child, a boy, wants to play, and the father prescribes him, \"My dear boy, do not play so long. Please read.\" So he's thinking that \"My father is prescribing something which is very troublesome.\" But actually this tapasya, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness regulated life, is not for trouble. It is for your progress of life to the spiritual understanding, where you get unlimited eternal life, sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1].\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nGod is sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha. Sat, cit, ānanda. Sat means eternal, cit means full of knowledge, and ānanda, full of pleasure.\nSo as soon as you become purified from this material existence, then you enter into the spiritual kingdom, and you get your body sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha and live there eternally in full knowledge and full bliss.\nThank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]",
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"content": "\n\n...na sāṅkhyaṁ dharma uddhava\nna svādhyāyas tapas tyāgo\nyathā bhaktir mamorjitā\n[Cc Ādi 17.76]\nWe have explained this verse yesterday, that in order to approach the Supreme Personality of Godhead, bhakti, devotional service, is required. And in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, bhaktyā mām abhijānāti [Bg. 18.55]: \"Simply through devotional service one can understand Me.\" Not through knowledge, not through fruitive activities.\nThere are various types of men. The lowest stage is the karmīs. Karmīs means those who are working very hard for sense gratification. They are called karmīs. And the next stage is the jñānī. Wiser than the karmīs, they try to realize the value of life, what is the value of life. Not that blindly, simply working hard day and night.\nActually, human form of life is not meant for that purpose, to work so hard. Because the animals... Our tendency is also... Therefore the capitalists and the laborer class are there. Actually, we do not want to work hard. That is our tendency. But we want more profit for sense gratification. Therefore we utilize others' service, who will work for me, and I shall take the profit. This is the defect of modern civilization.\nActually, my tendency is... Just like when a man gets some money, he does not work very much. He takes some profit, either keeping in the bank some balance, and lives in a comfortable place. That is the tendency. Because we are spiritual entities, our natural tendency is to enjoy life. Spiritual entities means by nature, ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt [Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12]; by nature, they want to enjoy life.\nĀnanda-mayo 'bhyāsāt. That is the spiritual nature. As Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is by nature joyful, similarly, we being part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, we are also by nature joyful. But unfortunately, we have been put into such condition, material condition, that we are trying to enjoy life in this material condition. That is not possible.\nSo karmīs, they are trying their best to make material adjustments and enjoy life. They are called karmīs. But when they are wiser, that \"We have worked so hard, but actually we could not enjoy life. Then what is the problem of life?\" that is the platform of the jñānīs and the yogīs.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu said that these karmīs, the jñānīs... In another place, in His instruction to Rūpa Gosvāmī, He has said that in the human society there are different kinds of people. Out of that, those who are followers of the Vedic civilization, they are supposed to be first-class human being. So out of the followers of Vedic civilization, mostly they say that \"We are followers of Vedic civilization,\" but actually they do not do. Actually, they, I mean to say, indulge in anything which is not sanctioned by the Vedic knowledge or Vedic scriptures.\nTake, for example, that in our Vedic civilization, these four things are prohibited: illicit sex life, animal-killing, intoxication and gambling. This is the preliminary understanding. Especially those who are higher caste—brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya—they are strictly forbidden. That is the Vedic injunction. But although we pose ourself followers of Vedic injunction, we indulge in these things.\nTherefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, \"Most people, they call themselves as followers of Vedic civilization, but actually they do not obey all the rules and regulations.\" Then again He says that \"Persons who are actually trying to follow the Vedic rules and regulations, mostly they are karmīs.\" Karmīs means they are attracted by the ritualistic ceremonies, just like performing great sacrifices, yajña, for elevating oneself to the higher planetary system.\nThey are called karmīs. \"And above them,\" He says, \"out of many thousands of karmīs, one person is jñānī or yogī. So out of many such jñānīs, one person may be a mukta, or liberated soul. And out of many thousands of liberated souls, there may be one devotee of Kṛṣṇa.\" That is the division Caitanya Mahāprabhu makes.\nTherefore, to become a person Kṛṣṇa conscious, a Kṛṣṇa conscious person, from the systematic way, it is very difficult. But by the mercy of Kṛṣṇa Himself, He has made the path very easy. Otherwise, Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not very easy task. Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti [Bg. 18.55]. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says,\nbhaktyāham ekayā grāhyaḥ\nśraddhayātmā priyaḥ satām\nbhaktiḥ punāti man-niṣṭhā\nśva-pākān api sambhavāt\n[SB 11.14.21]\nSimply by devotional service one becomes purified, even he is born in the family of the dog-eaters. That is the Vedic version. Caitanya Mahāprabhu quotes from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Ataeva bhakti kṛṣṇa prāptyera [Cc. Madhya 20.139]. Therefore He concludes that \"If you want at all Kṛṣṇa...\" Kṛṣṇa... We should, everyone should want Kṛṣṇa. Because as soon as we get Kṛṣṇa... Yaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ manyate nādhikaṁ tataḥ [Bg. 6.22]. If actually we get Kṛṣṇa, then we shall not consider any other profit more valuable than Kṛṣṇa.\nJust like Dhruva Mahārāja. Dhruva Mahārāja went to practice yoga in the forest, Madhuvana. The idea was to get the kingdom of his father. Now, actually when he saw Kṛṣṇa, Viṣṇu... The picture is here; you can see. Actually when he saw by his severe austerities and penances, a small boy, five-years-old boy, then he said, \"My dear Lord, now when You offer benediction that 'You take whatever benediction you want, you take from Me,' \" he said, svamin kṛtārtho 'smi varaṁ na yāce [Cc. Madhya 22.42]. That is the process. If one gets Kṛṣṇa, he thinks that no more any other benediction is required. He becomes fully satisfied. Svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi: \"I am fully satisfied.\" Therefore we find a kṛṣṇa-bhakta is always satisfied, because he has no demand.\nIn other place Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, kṛṣṇa-bhakta niṣkāma ataeva śānta [Cc. Madhya 19.149]. So long you have got demands to fulfill your desires, you cannot be happy. Kṛṣṇa-bhakta, kṛṣṇa-bhakta has no demand. They do not demand that \"Kṛṣṇa, favor me in this way or that way.\" No. Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Brs.1.1.11]. They are completely free from demanding anything from Kṛṣṇa. That is Kṛṣṇa..., pure devotee. Kṛṣṇa bhakta niṣkāma ataeva śānta. Therefore they are pacified, they are peaceful.\nAnd bhukti mukti siddhi kāmī sakali aśānta. Bhukti means these karmīs, they want elevated life of sense gratification, bhukti. That is called bhukti. From bhoga, bhukti. Bhukti or mukti, liberation. They are also not, I mean to say, peaceful because they are making sādhana, austerities, penances, to get liberation. There is demand, that \"I shall be liberated.\" So there is demand.\nSo the karmīs, they have also demand; the jñānīs, they have also demand; and the yogīs, they have also demand because they want siddhi, eight kinds of siddhi: aṇimā, laghimā... A yogī can become very light. They can become..., they can become the smallest. Such siddhis, such mystic powers, they can attain. So they have also demand. They are trying to get some material perfection. Just like flying in the sky or walking on the water—these things are very wonderful, and people are very much amazed. If you can walk on the water, so many followers you will get immediately. That is a wonderful thing for common man.\nSo the yogīs want these mystic power. Therefore they have also demand. Muktīs, the jñānīs, they have also demand; the karmīs also have the demand. But the bhaktas... Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu. We accept Caitanya Mahāprabhu as the ideal bhakta. He's teaching us how to become exceptionally perfect devotee. So He says in His Śikṣāṣṭaka, \nna dhanaṁ na janaṁ na sundarīṁ\nkavitāṁ vā jagad-īśa kāmaye\n[Cc. Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4]\n\"I do not want riches,\" na dhanam. Na janam, \"I do not want number of followers.\" Na dhanaṁ na janaṁ na kavitāṁ vā jagad-īśa kāmaye. \"I do not want very beautiful, nice, poetic wife.\" Mama janmani janmanīśvare. Janmani janmani means He does not want even liberation, because when there is liberation, there is no question of janmani janmani. So He says, mama janmani janmani īśvare bhavatād bhaktir ahaitukī tvayi.\nSo this is the sample of pure devotee. A pure devotee does not want even liberation. Dīyamānaṁ na gṛhṇanti [SB 3.29.13]. If liberation is offered to a devotee, he does not want it. He'll refuse to accept it. He is satisfied only in the service of the Lord. That is the standard of satisfac... Or in other words, to a devotee, liberation is not very valuable thing. Just like our one devotee, Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī... No, Prabodhānanda Sarasvatī. He says, kaivalyaṁ narakāyate tridaśa-pūr ākāśa-puṣpāyate [Caitanya-candrāmṛta 5]. Like that. So devotee's position is very sublime. Devotee's position is the most exalted, transcendental position of a pure devotee who does not want anything except Kṛṣṇa.\nanyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ\njñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam\nānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-\nśīlanaṁ bhaktir uttama\n[Brs.1.1.11]\nThat is.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, ataeva bhakti kṛṣṇa prāptyera. The conclusion is that if you want Kṛṣṇa, then you have to take the path of devotional service. That will help you. And that bhakti is technically known as abhidheya. That is the technical, abhidheya. Abhidheya means discharging one's duty. That is abhidheya. Or the performance of the means by which one can reach the ultimate goal of life. That is called abhidheya.\ndhana pāile yaiche sukha bhoga phala pāya\nsukha-bhoga haite duḥkha āpani palāya\ntaiche bhakti-phale kṛṣṇe prema upajaya\npreme kṛṣṇāsvāda haile bhava nāśa pāya\n[Cc. Madhya 20.140-41]\nHe says that \"If a poor man gets some money, not only he becomes happy, but the symptoms of his poverty is also immediately vanquished.\" Just like a poor man gets, say, ten lakhs of rupees. Immediately he'll have a nice bungalow, he'll have two, three cars, and so many other opulences. So simultaneously, the distress out of his poverty-stricken life is also vanquished, and there are symptoms of sukha, symptoms of happiness. We suppose like that. If a man has got a car, we think he's very happy. But this is a symptom of happiness. A poor man cannot get a car, but a rich man cannot get... If one has got a car, it is understood that he is rich man.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu said that automatically the symptoms of happiness come unto him, and his distress of material condition simultaneously becomes vanquished if one is elevated to the position of devotional service. That is the test. That is the test of how one is advanced in devotional service. This is the test. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra ca [SB 11.2.42]. He is no more interested in material happiness. He is fully satisfied with Kṛṣṇa.\nTaiche bhakti-phale kṛṣṇe prema upajaya. Kṛṣṇa bhakti-phale. These, by the, as a result of kṛṣṇa-bhakti, devotional service... The same devotional service for the neophyte and the same devotional service for the advanced devotee, but the advanced devotee enjoys life, but the neophyte devotee simply practices. That is the difference. Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura gives the example: just like mango.\nThe mango remains the same, but in the unripe stage the taste is little different, whereas in the ripened stage the taste is different. So bhakti in the beginning maybe tastes a little pungent. One may feel very inconvenient to discharge devotional service according to the rules and regulation of the śāstra. But when he is advanced, the same service will appear to be very palatable, very relishable.\nyaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ\nmanyate nādhikaṁ tataḥ\nyasmin sthite guruṇāpi\nduḥkhena na vicālyate\n[Bg. 6.22]\nSo devotional service... Because it is transcendental, pure, spiritual, and we are, every one of us, hankering after to be elevated to the spiritual stage of life because we are spiritual entities. The same example, as I have repeatedly explained, that if you take a fish out of the water, however you may keep comfortably on the land, it will never be happy unless and until it is again thrown in the water.\nSimilarly, we are all spiritual sparks, part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ [Bg. 15.7]. So however we may try to make ourself happy by material adjustment, it is not possible. We must turn to the spiritual life, or devotional... Spiritual life means devotional service. That is real spiritual life.\nAs Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, māṁ ca vyabhicāriṇi-bhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate: \"One who is engaged in bhakti-yoga service,\" sa guṇan samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate [Bg. 14.26], \"he's already in the Brahman stage.\" People cannot understand how bhakti is on the Brahman platform. But here the Lord Himself says, brahma-bhūyāya kalpate.\ndāridrya-nāśa bhava-kṣaya-premera 'phala' nay\nprema-sukha-bhoga-mukhya prayojana haya\n[Cc. Madhya 20.142]\nSo when one is elevated in the platform of devotional service, it is not that he gets some material happiness, that is the result. No. Material happiness automatically comes to him. Material happiness..., a devotee is not bereft of material happiness. Automatically comes to him. So that is not the ultimate goal of a devotee's life. A devotee's ultimate goal of life: how he becomes, I mean to say, a lover of the Supreme Lord.\nThe example are the gopīs, or the inhabitants of Vṛndāvana. They had no other desire. They simply wanted to love Kṛṣṇa. They wanted to see Kṛṣṇa very happy. That feeling of happiness, that thinking of Kṛṣṇa, that is the highest perfection of life. Always, constantly thinking of Kṛṣṇa. That was their happiness. They do not..., they did not try to derive any material happiness by loving Kṛṣṇa. There was no such thing. That is pure love. [indistinct]\ndāridrya-nāśa bhava-kṣaya-premera 'phala' naya\nprema-sukha-bhoga-mukhya prayojana haya\n[Cc. Madhya 20.142]\nSo we should be trying for that position when we shall relish what is the position by loving Kṛṣṇa, by loving God.\nveda-śāstre kahe sambandha abhidheya prayojana\nkṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa-bhakti prema-tina mahā-dhana\n[Cc. Madhya 20.143]\nTherefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu concludes again that we are after dhana. Dhana are riches. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that Kṛṣṇa and kṛṣṇa-bhakti, devotional service, and love of Kṛṣṇa, these three items are the topmost riches of our life.\nvedādi sakala śāstre kṛṣṇa-mukhya sambandha\ntāṅra jñāne ānuṣaṅge yāya māyā-bandha\n[Cc. Madhya 20.144]\nCaitanya Mahāprabhu further says that the purpose of studying Vedas means to understand Kṛṣṇa. And as soon as one understands Kṛṣṇa, automatically the tinges of māyā, the influence of māyā, automatically becomes vanquished. That is also stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam..., er, Bhagavad-gītā, that,\ndaivī hy eṣā guṇamayī\nmama māyā duratyayā\nmām eva ye prapadyante\nmāyām etāṁ taranti [te]\n[Bg. 7.14]\n\"It is very difficult to surmount the stringent laws of material nature, but anyone who surrenders unto Me, very easily, automatically, simultaneously he becomes freed from the contamination of māyā.\"\nmukhya-gauṇa-vṛtti, kiṁvā anvaya vyatireke\nvedera pratijñā kevala kahaye kṛṣṇake\n[Cc. Madhya 20.146]\nCaitanya Mahāprabhu says, \"Directly or indirectly, whichever Vedic literature you study, you'll find that the aim is to understand Kṛṣṇa.\" When Caitanya Mahāprabhu was speaking, He proved that in the Koran there is kṛṣṇa-bhakti. When He was coming back from Vṛndāvana, at a place... It is known as Soro. Perhaps you know, Soro. That is a holy place, Soro. Still, people go there. There is a nice place, Soro. So there Caitanya Mahāprabhu, when He was chanting and dancing, He sometimes fainted. So in the course of His chanting and dancing, when He fainted, then His personal assistants, they were treating Him.\nSo one batch of soldiers, Moghul, Pathan soldiers, were passing that way. So the chief of the soldiers, of the army, they were surprised, that \"How is that? One man is lying unconscious, and others are treating him. This must have been..., this man must have been poisoned by these men.\" So they came down, because they were government men, they came down and challenged all these men that \"You have given this man some drug so that he's fainted, and you wanted to plunder him. So we arrest you.\" Then they said, \"No, sir. We have not done anything such. He faints like that while chanting. Now He'll be... Very soon He'll get up, because we are also chanting. Hearing, hearing, He will get up.\"\nSo in this way, when He came to His consciousness, the Muslims, these Pathan soldiers, they were very happy to see Him. So there was a Mullah. So he talked with Him. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu—I am summarizing the story; this story is very big—He talked with that Mullah, and He proved from the Koran that there is kṛṣṇa-bhakti. He proved from the Koran that there is kṛṣṇa-bhakti, there is hint of kṛṣṇa-bhakti.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu says here also that indirectly... When I speak of Kṛṣṇa, you should know, Kṛṣṇa means the Supreme Personality of Godhead. You may call Him by any other name; that is a different thing. But Kṛṣṇa means the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu said,\nmukhya-gauṇa-vṛtti kiṁvā anvaya vyatireke\nvedera pratijñā kevala kahaye kṛṣṇake\n[Cc. Madhya 20.146]\nYou take any literature, any Vedic literature, religious literature, you'll find that the whole literature, whole knowledge, is aiming at Kṛṣṇa. That is the purport of all Vedas and religious scripture.\nkṛṣṇera svarūpa-ananta vaibhava-apāra\ncic-chakti māyā-śakti jīva-śakti āra\n[Cc. Madhya 20.149]\nNow Caitanya Mahāprabhu is explaining what is the identification of Kṛṣṇa. In the beginning He says, kṛṣṇera svarūpa ananta. Kṛṣṇa has form, svarūpa. Kṛṣṇa is not formless, but He has got many millions of forms. Not one form, many millions of forms. But He has form. He is not impersonal. Kṛṣṇera svarūpa ananta. Ananta means unlimited. That is also confirmed in the Brahma-saṁhitā:\nadvaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam\nādyaṁ purāṇa-puruṣaṁ nava-yauvanaṁ ca\nvedeṣu durlabham adurlabham ātma-bhaktau\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.33]\nThe Brahma-saṁhitā says that advaita acyuta. Advaita means although Kṛṣṇa has many forms, many expansions, still, they are one. There is no duality. Just like Kṛṣṇa and Rāma, They are one. They are not different. Similarly, rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan [Bs. 5.39]. Beginning from Rāma, Nṛsiṁha, Varāha, He has got innumerable forms. Tiṣṭhan: He is existing always with all these forms, expansions, rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā.\nJust like Kṛṣṇa existing in everyone's heart. There are millions and trillions of living entities. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe arjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61]. Kṛṣṇa is existing. That is Kṛṣṇa's omnipotency. If you do not try to understand God, or Kṛṣṇa, with inconceivable omnipotency, then you cannot understand God. That is not possible.\nSo Kṛṣṇa... Just like we are sitting here; we are not sitting in the other room. But Kṛṣṇa can sit in innumerable rooms simultaneously at one time. Therefore He is all-pervading. Just like Kṛṣṇa married 16,108 wives. Nārada came to see Kṛṣṇa, and every palace he entered he saw Kṛṣṇa was there. And with some wife, in some wife's palace He is playing with children, or some wife's He's just taking bath. Or in another palace He was playing chess. In this way he differently saw Kṛṣṇa in different palaces. So in 16,000 palaces he saw Kṛṣṇa.\nThat is Kṛṣṇa. Not that He married 16,000 wives but He remained one. He also expanded Himself sixteen hundred times. That is Kṛṣṇa. He can expand Himself. Rāsa-līlā... Rāsa-līlā, every gopī was feeling that \"Kṛṣṇa is dancing with me.\" So many gopīs. That is Kṛṣṇa. He can expand. But He has got form. He is not formless. The Māyāvādī philosopher thinks because Kṛṣṇa is all-pervading, therefore He has no form. No. That is not fact. He has form, but His form is not like your form and my form.\nThis form is explained in the Brahma-saṁhitā: advaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam [Bs. 5.33]. Acyuta. And He does not fall down. Acyuta means thing which does not fall down. So just like we are, we are living entities, we fall down in the clutches of māyā. But Kṛṣṇa does not fall down. The Māyāvādī philosophers mistake that. They think that as we come to this material world with a material body, similarly, Kṛṣṇa also comes with a material body. No. That is not the fact. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā manuṣīṁ tanum āśritāḥ [Bg. 9.11]. Mūḍha. Mūḍha means those who are not intelligent. \"They think that I am also ordinary man.\"\nTherefore there is controversy, \"Why I shall worship Kṛṣṇa? Kṛṣṇa cannot... The Supreme Lord cannot come in this way, just like ordinary man, and making friendship with Arjuna and driving his chariot, or dancing with the gopīs.\" They cannot conceive. They cannot accommodate within their tiny brain that Kṛṣṇa is so powerful, He's so... We say that Kṛṣṇa, God, is all-powerful, God is all omnipotent, but when God shows actually that He's omnipotent, all-powerful, they do not believe. That is their defect.\nBut the manifestation which Kṛṣṇa showed when He was actually present, He's the Supreme Lord.\naiśvaryasya samagrasya\nvīryasya yaśasaḥ śriyaḥ\njñāna-vairāgyayoś caiva\nṣaṇṇāṁ bhaga itīṅganā\n[Viṣṇu Purāṇa 6.5.47]\nHe fully manifested, or demonstrated, the six opulences of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7]: \"There is no other supreme power or supreme personality than Myself.\"\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu says the same thing. What Kṛṣṇa has said in the Bhagavad-gītā, what is spoken about Kṛṣṇa in all the Vedic literature, Caitanya Mahāprabhu says the same thing in His teaching to Sanātana Gosvāmī.\nSo we shall discuss further. Thank you very much.",
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Even God's name is there, God's address is there. Do you agree to this point? Yes. That is the difference. Any other scriptures, if you ask what is the name of God, what is His address, what He is doing, they cannot give you. But we can give.\nWe do not give; God Himself gives, Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says, \"My address is like this.\" What is that? Yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama [Bg. 15.6]. That is address. Paras tasmāt tu bhāvo 'nyo 'vyakto 'vyaktāt sanātanaḥ [Bg. 8.20]. God is giving address. We have to note down. And His name is Kṛṣṇa.\nYou'll find Vyāsadeva is writing, śrī bhagavān uvāca, \"the Supreme Personality of Godhead speaking, or Kṛṣṇa.\" And in the śāstras there is list of incarnation of God. And Vyāsadeva concludes: ete cāṁśa kalāḥ puṁsaḥ kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28]: \"All the list, comprehending list, they are either part or part of the part of God. But the name Kṛṣṇa,\" kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam, \"He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\"\nSimilarly, in the Brahma-saṁhitā it is said,\nīśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ\nsac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ\nanādir ādir govindaḥ\nsarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam\n[Bs. 5.1]\nSarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam. And Kṛṣṇa also says, mattaḥ parataraṁ kiñcid asti, kiñcid asti dhanañjaya. \"There is no more.\" Everyone is cause. You are... You are... Your cause..., your cause for appearance is your father. The cause of your father's appearance is his father. You go on—father, father, father, father—you reach Brahmā, who is called the supreme forefather. Then Brahmā is also born of Viṣṇu, Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu. And the Garbhodakaśayī is also appeared from Kāraṇodakaśāyī Viṣṇu. In this way, go on, go on. And Saṅkarṣaṇa, Nārāyaṇa, Pradyumna, Aniruddha—there are so many. And at last you reach Kṛṣṇa. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is the cause of all causes.\nSo Kṛṣṇa's name is there, God's name is there, God's address is there, and how to reach God, the process is there. Then why you'll not utilize this? What is the reason? Why you say, \"Can you show me God? Is there any God?\" Why do you say like this? What is the reason? Everything, information, is there, and still you say, \"Can you show me God?\" \"Who is God?\" \"There is no God,\" \"God is dead.\" Why do you talk like that? If you say that \"How we can understand that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Lord?\" then you have to approach authorities. Just like if you want to purchase some diamonds, you cannot understand whether it is diamond, but you go to a jeweler and he'll say yes or no: \"Yes, it is real.\"\nSo you have to go to the authorities. Who are the authorities? At least, in our country. Not only in... All countries. So our authorities, the whole Vedic civilization is going on under the authorities of ācārya. They are coming by disciplic succession: Śaṅkarācārya, Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya, Viṣṇu Svāmī, Lord Caitanya—there are so many authorized ācāryas. What is their opinion?\nTheir opinion: krsnas tu bhagavan svayam [SB 1.3.28]. The śāstra is there, the authoritative statement is there, and the activities are there. Then what reason you have got not to believe that Kṛṣṇa is not God? What reason you have got? Here is God. And those who are devotees of Kṛṣṇa, actually see their life, how they are advanced in God consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nBut the difficulty is, as Kṛṣṇa says,\nna māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhā\nprapadyante narādhamāḥ\nmāyayāpahṛta-jñānā\nāsuri-bhāvam āśritāḥ\n[Bg. 7.15]\nThe duṣkṛtinaḥ, the miscreants, those who are always engaged in mischievous activities... Such persons are called duṣkṛtina. So duṣkṛtina class, na māṁ duṣkṛtina mūḍhā. Mūḍha means less intelligent or foolish class men. Na māṁ duṣkṛtina mūḍhā prapadyante: \"They do not accept Me,\" narādhama, \"the lowest of the mankind.\" \"No, they have got very much educated.\" Kṛṣṇa says, māyayāpahṛta-jñānā: \"Yes, they are educated, but their knowledge has been taken away by māyā.\" Why? Āsuri-bhāvam āśritāḥ: \"Because they have taken to this view, 'There is no God.' \" On this account they cannot understand in spite of high degrees of university education. Māyāyapahrta-jñāna.\nSo Kṛṣṇa says like that. The only reason is because duṣkṛtina mūḍhā māyayāpahṛta-jñānā āsuri-bhāvam... Therefore, in spite of all evidences from the śāstras, they'll not accept Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Lord, Personality of Godhead. That's it. Just like Prahlāda Mahārāja requested his father so many times, but still, he did not agree that there is God.\n[break] But he agreed there is God when he was killed by God. Yes. That you cannot escape. Then you'll see God: \"Here is God.\" The asuras, they will never accept God, but when they are killed by God, they understand that \"Yes, there is God.\" That is the difference between asuras and devas. The devas, they accept God while living, and the asuras accept God by being killed. That's all.\nAnd who can escape killing? Is there any scientist, is there any philosopher, any great man who can stop being killed by the cruel death? Is there any man? That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham [Bg. 10.34]: \"I am mṛtyu.\" Mṛtyu means death, which takes away everything at a time.\nJust like \"I am very rich man,\" \"I am very big industrialist,\" \"I am prime minister,\" this, that, so many things. \"I am in possession of all I survey. I am the master of my country and everything.\" That's all right. As soon as death comes, \"Oh, I am Jawaharlal Nehru,\" \"I am Gandhi,\" \"Oh! Never mind! Please go away! Finish. Stop your all leadership.\" That is God.\nYou don't believe; you may not believe God, but when death comes you have to believe in God. Let the scientists and let the big leaders and rich men protect himself from death. Then you can say that there is no God.\n[break] This atheism, denying the existence of God, is not very good. Therefore Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is very important.\n[pause] Prasāda, you have given prasāda? I'll take. First of all... [end]",
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"content": "\n These, they do not leave the control. They sell things, and they catch some leaders, they take loan from them, and they take it, and eighty percent for themselves and twenty percent for so on. This is going on, the so-called independent country. In India also, that is being done. America is loaning, and these, ah, those who are in charge of the government, they're spending money in their way...\n[break] …purchasing weapons from them.\nActually, the development, and these Britishers and Americans, they're constantly engaging Pakistan in fighting spirit and supplying them ammunition and supplying here. Their business is going on, taking loan from them and paying to them, and they remain debtor perpetually. You give me money, purchase from me, and in books you are debtor. I take your money by supplying some goods. So my money comes back, and you remain a debtor in the book, perpetually.",
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"content": "\n Is it not?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Eighty percent rupee belong to the States, United States.",
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"content": "\n Just see.",
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"content": "\n The public did the dee…, the date, 3-04-80[?]. The interest is calculated every fortnight. So though it is two or three percent, but it works out about eighteen percent in a year.",
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"content": "\n Oh.\n You see, it's a sort of, I don't know how to call it. It's… Not only compound interest, but super-compound interest. Every fifteen days or a month something is added to the capital. So things are… But I think Kṛṣṇa consciousness is better for them as well as for us. [laughs]. So I will take leave and come tomorrow at four o'clock. Hmm? Dalmiyaji has been here? Jai Dayal Dalmiyaji?\n Not recently.\n Hmm?\n Not recently.",
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"content": "\n I have come just yesterday night, last night.",
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"content": "\n Hmm.",
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"content": "\n Give him that prasādam.",
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"content": "\n I'll come…",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa… How many of you… [break]",
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"content": "\n …our activities. But… [break]",
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"content": "\n Even the security governments know us. One time there was this Mr. Fugarty from Florida. Remember, Mahā-puruṣa went to see him?",
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"content": "\n Fugarty, yes, I know.",
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"content": "\n First Dayānanda and Nandarāṇī went, and they knew him?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. Fugarty. Yes.",
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"content": "\n So he came to London, and he wanted to meet with us. But he didn't know our address, so he looked in the Central Intelligence files, and they had our address, and he came to see us. [laughs]",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. He was interested in our...",
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"content": "\n He was cryptologist, code breaker, for the government.",
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"content": "\n When secret codes would come in, he would decode them by formula. That was his job.",
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"content": "\n Ācchā.",
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"content": "\n Yes.\n Just like Sanskrit. [break] …so he was doing that job. [break]",
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"content": "\n But do it, do it throughout with enthusiasm. In this way simply this advertisement goes out, village to village. And this should become popular in the world.",
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"content": "\n Nagarādi grāma.",
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"content": "\n Nagarādi grāma.",
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"content": "\nBut we should leave at least one devotee in each village.\nIf there was time…",
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"content": "\nBut difficulty is you do not know the local language.",
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"content": "\nHmm. When Caitanya Mahāprabhu was here, there was one language? Because the…",
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"content": "\nNo, this Hare Kṛṣṇa language will be understood by everyone. There was one language, Sanskrit, amongst the learned. Still, amongst the learned gentlemen you can speak in English. Similarly, in India the pand…, learned class language was Sanskrit, all over India. Anywhere you go you can talk with them, Sanskrit.",
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"content": "\nWe are not… Learned circles, they are not concerned with the mass of people. They meet with learned circles. When learned circles meet, everyone comes.",
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"content": "\nThere was that nice story, that one person was coming to defeat one of the associate of Caitanya Mahāprabhu; it was Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura. So his disciples, he said, \"If they want me to leave, I will leave.\" So his disciples posed as a cobbler and a betel-seller, and when they came to… A potter and a betel-seller. When they came to buy betel they spoke Sanskrit. And they thought, \"Oh, Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura is teaching the common betel-seller Sanskrit, then how can we compare with this?\" It's a very nice story. [break]",
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"content": "\nĀcchā.",
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"content": "\nThen give another one.",
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"content": "\nPaṇḍita Nārāyaṇa dāsa came?",
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"content": "\nAnd whatever things we require, you give him a list and they'll supply. So if you can cook, that's all right; otherwise they have got their cooks. So take that advantage. You talked with Nārāyaṇa dāsa?",
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"content": "\nBut at that time he did not give us some facility.",
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"content": "\nAt that time he was sick in bed.",
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"content": "\nBlood pressure, high. So he said, \"Arrange with these other people; then I will come and see that it is all right.\"",
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"content": "\nOh. So when he came, he was informed that I had left. So somebody said, \"No, he's upstairs,\" and he came to see me.",
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"content": "\n[laughs]",
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"content": "\nHe's my old friend. He knows me.",
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"content": "\nHe help… He was on the League of Devotees? Yes?",
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"content": "\nNot League of, but he knew me when I was there. Whenever my books were published, he came to purchase one.",
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"content": "\nI spoke to them about putting some books in that shelf; they said yes.",
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"content": "\nNot shelf; they purchase.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nAsk them to purchase.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nNārāyaṇa dāsa's son?",
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"content": "\nHe's the secretary… [break] But they are putting… [break] Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham [SB 7.9.45]. People are not being taught the value of life. They only understand that polished hogs' life is to be [indistinct]. [break] I have said that they're all sinful. Indirectly I have said. Factually.\nThese, all the gosāis and bābājīs, they're actually sinful. And some of them who are..., those who are sincere, they're surprised, that \"We are so long in Vṛndāvana, we cannot have saṅkīrtana like that. What is the reason?\" They're searching. I told them, \"You do not follow the rules and regulation.\" First of all I told them that \"You have no bona fide guru.\"",
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"content": "\nOr you're not bona fide student. There must be some defect. Anandamayi's men also came to invite me.",
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"content": "\nThis morning I met mātājī in Kamala Nagar.",
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"content": "\nShe was there, yes.",
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"content": "\nShe's…, she has got some party for saṅkīrtana.",
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"content": "\nYes. She was in Calcutta, she told me.",
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"content": "\nShe has become something, incarnation, like that. That is his proposal. And she cries.",
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"content": "\nShe is not… [break]",
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"content": "\nShe is simply exploiting some women's sentiments, by giving them some deity and crying. And woman, they're simple. This way, she wanted to captivate donors. I know that. She has got some foolish woman, innocent woman. I say foolish, innocent. And naturally their husbands become inclined.",
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"content": "\nHmm.",
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"content": "\nActually she has no… She is not a preacher. She is a sentimental so-called religionist among some women, and naturally their husbands… And she has no objection. Whatever you do, it doesn't matter. Therefore she is getting some followers, and posing herself as… She's opening hospital. That means she has no asset.",
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"content": "\nTrue.",
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"content": "\nWe are going without opening hospital and school; rather challenging…",
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"content": "\n[laughs]",
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"content": "\n…and diminishing everything, decrying. We do not agree with anyone, and still people like us. Is it not?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nOur first proposition is that \"You do not know anything.\"",
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"content": "\n[laughs]",
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"content": "\n[laughs] And still they'll agreed to come to us.",
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"content": "\nYes, Delhi is very successful. People are asking, asking, asking.",
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"content": "\nYes, yes. Walking in the morning, and someone came to me, \"Ah, we thought that somewhere you have gone.\" When we have got regular center here, they should come.",
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"content": "\nI mean they were asking questions, like \"Who am I?\" And… [break] [end]",
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"content": "\n So this is Sri Madan. He is architect.",
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"content": "\n Madan Mohan.",
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"content": "\n And this is Sri...",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]\n[break] [Hindi] Patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyam [Bg. 9.26]. Then?",
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"content": "\n This is Sri Naran Svarupa Sharma. He was professor in England and then Member of Parliament here.",
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"content": "\n Oh.",
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"content": "\n And he has been helpful. Very nice.",
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"content": "\n Prāṇair arthair dhiyā vācā śreya-ācaraṇaṁ sadā [SB 10.22.35]. [Hindi] Just see our condition. You have read this morning's paper?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Swami Akhandananda is speaking kalpanā. Such a big sannyāsī, he says that Kṛṣṇa is kalpanā.",
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"content": "\n What was that now?",
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"content": "\n Swami Akhandananda, he was...",
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"content": "\n Swami Akhandananda, I see. But yes, in Birla temple.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Birla temple is speaking that Kṛṣṇa is kalpanā.",
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"content": "\n Kalpanā.",
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"content": "\n Yes, kalpanā. Māyāvādī theory is brahma nirākāra, so... [Hindi] You can imagine that God is so insignificant that you can imagine His form. This dangerous theory is going on in India. God is so insignificant that you can imagine, at your whims, whatever you like. Ramakrishna Mission is also preaching this, and our this big, big sannyāsī, they also preaching this. God is a subject matter for..., of my imagination, He is so insignificant. You have seen the paper?",
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"content": "\n No. I haven't read this particular statement.",
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"content": "\n Oh. Rayānanda[?], can you get that paper, Hindustan?",
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"content": "\n Quite surprising. He's quite a learned scholar.",
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"content": "\n The learned scholar, they have been described in the Bhagavad-gītā, māyaya apahṛta-jñānā asurī-bhāvam āśritāḥ [Bg. 7.15]. Because they have taken this view that God is impersonal, He has no form, this is āsurī. Then māyaya apahṛta-jñānā. Therefore, however learned they may be, māyā takes away their knowledge.\nMāyaya apahṛta-jñānā asurī-bhāvam āśr... That is described in the Bhagavad-gītā. [Hindi] The Absolute Truth, that is subjected to be imagined by me. I am a tiny soul. And if a learned sannyāsī says like that, how many thousands of people will believe in that, will be wrongly impressed? This paper will be read by thousands and millions. [Hindi] ...hodgepodge [Hindi].",
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"content": "\n Another one, Bala-yogi, has made a statement that \"I will call myself anybody but not Hindu.\"",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n \"I will call myself anybody but not Hindu.\"",
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"content": "\n I will call...?",
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"content": "\n \"Anybody but not Hindu.\"\n He is not Hindu, he says.\n Bal-yogeswara, some other saint. He said, \"I am not a Hindu.\"\n He was giving this sermon in [indistinct].\n [indistinct].\n Nobody is now, I think.",
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"content": "\n [referring to paper] [Hindi] What is the heading?",
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"content": "\n This one? [reads in Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n \"To imagine.\" By imagination one is going to tattva-vasya, Absolute Truth. Just see the theory. By imagination you have to reach the tattva-vasya. Tattva means Absolute Truth, reality, and that is subjected to man's imagination.",
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"content": "\n You see, Swāmījī, this is the headline, which is not a Akhandananda's statement. Only the reporter has put up the headline.",
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"content": "\n But people will read as Akhandananda's...",
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"content": "\n Yes, sir.\n Why don't you read the whole matter? Śrīla Prabhupāda says, he says, and he says it very wrongly, that [indistinct]. You read the whole matter. The summary of the whole matter is the same. This is very wrong.",
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"content": "\n Vasudeva, you just..., you can read the whole thing. It is imagination. Tattva... [break] ...you imagine yourself that \"My lover will be like this, like this, like that.'' In this way he will reach to the reality. Do you think it is very nice argument?",
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"content": "\n [Hindi conversation with Prabhupāda as Prabhupāda reads article] He is not a bhakta.",
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"content": "\n Huh? Huh?",
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"content": "\n He is not a bhakta, he is a scholar.",
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"content": "\n What is the nonsense scholar [laughter] if he does not know the truth? [Hindi] Māyaya apahṛta-jñānā [Bg. 7.15]. Scholar maybe superficially, but real knowledge is taken away by māyā. Caitanya Mahāprabhu [Hindi] māyāvādi-bhāṣya śunile haya sarva-nāśa [Cc. Madhya 6.169]. If people hear him, then for good he will be lost in bewilderedness. [Hindi conversation] Why do you think that you are sinner? [Hindi conversation] Our theory is not that. Kṛṣṇa is fighting. He is inducing fight against irreligiosity.",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi] Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7]: \"There is no higher reality than Me.'' Are we imaginists? Kṛṣṇa says that mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya: \"There is nothing,'' I mean, \"as higher reality than Me.'' And these people are taking Him as a mūrta-vigrahaḥ, kalpanā. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n No. Why this word kalpanā is there? That is..., that is my point. Kalpanā means something false imagination. Kalpanā is not reality, and Kṛṣṇa says that \"There is no higher reality than Me.'' And He became the subject matter of my kalpanā. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi] Let it become reality.",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n Why this word should be used as kalpanā? I don't think the newspaper reporter can write in that way unless this word was actually spoken.",
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"content": "\n This is Times? Hindustan? [Hindi conversation]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n He says imagination is the supermost.",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [reading Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi conversation] Bhagavān is sac-cid-ānanda vigrahaḥ. Bhagavān says, ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ [Bg. 10.8], ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā. [Hindi] sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya sambhavanti murtayaḥ [Bg. 14.4]. Ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā. [Hindi] So practical experience [Hindi].\nīśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ\nanādir ādir govindaḥ sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam\n[Bs. 5.1]\n[Hindi] They have been cut with two hands because I have got really two hands. [Hindi] Vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya [Bg. 2.22]. [Hindi] Origin, I am spirit soul. [Hindi] Mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūta [Bg. 15.7]. [Hindi] Bhagavān katha mamaivāṁśo. So bhagavān nirākāra. Bhagavān avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāh, mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam [Bg. 9.11]. [Hindi] is all for imagination.",
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"content": "\n [Hindi conversation]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi] ...program he, I shall return to USA by the month of March. So, December, January, February. [Hindi conversation] Thank you very much. [Hindi] We are dealing with facts. [Hindi] The..., already everything is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. We have to simply explain them. That's all. Explanation [Hindi]. You cannot stop sunshine. That is not possible.\nBut you close yourself in the dark room. It is not possible to cover Kṛṣṇa. That is not possible. But by jugglery of words you close yourself in a dark room. [Hindi conversation] Oh, thank you. All right, thank you very much. Come on. No. [Hindi] [laughs]\n[aside] You can open this and distribute it.\n[Hindi] Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. [Hindi conversation] [break] [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] Any worship, we first worship Lord Ganeśa, in...",
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"content": "\n That is not necessary. That is not necessary. If we worship other demigods to fulfill our some particular desire [Hindi]. There are different demigods they worship, but one who knows that \"If I approach Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord, then everything is obtained...\"",
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"content": "\n You say a true devotee of Kṛṣṇa, such a person need not go after the demigods?",
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"content": "\n No, no, no.",
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"content": "\n Secondly...",
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"content": "\n There is no need.",
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"content": "\n But if he goes after demigods...",
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"content": "\n If he wants some material profit. [Hindi conversation] So kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ prapadyante anya-devatāḥ [Bg. 7.20]. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n Tulsidas is different; therefore we don't take Tulsidas as authority.",
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"content": "\n Not? Then, sir, there is Rāma and there is Kṛṣṇa. You have Hare Rāma, Hare Kṛṣṇa. So Rāma is Hari. Kṛṣṇa is considered Hari. So when you...",
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"content": "\n No, Rāma... Bhagavān has different forms: rāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan [Bs. 5.39]. Bhagavān can expand in both.",
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"content": "\n That's good. So that explains...",
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"content": "\n Viṣṇu-tattva. That is called viṣṇu-tattva.",
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"content": "\n In that expansion can't we take Durgā and Śiva, even for...",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is śakti-tattva. We have to take expansion according to the tattva. Substance and categories; in which category. The substance is Viṣṇu, and all other tattvas are categories. So devatās, they are śakti-tattva, śakti category, the same category as you are. The same example: just like here a government officer, he is also Indian gentleman, you are also Indian gentleman, but he has got his power on account of his high qualities. Similarly, you can become also Durgā. You can become Indra, Candra, Sūrya.\nSo qualitatively the ant, you or a learned brāhmaṇa, they are all the same category.\nvidyā-vinaya-sampanne\nbrahmaṇe gavi hastini\nśuni caiva śva-pāke ca\npaṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ\n[Bg. 5.18]\nA paṇḍita knows that they are on the same jīva-tattva categories. Viṣṇu-tattva, jīva-tattva, śakti-tattva, there are many tattvas. Brahman-tattva, paramātmā-tattva and bhagavat-tattva, they are the substance, and all other tattvas, they are jīva-tattva, śakti-tattva, like that.\nSo Bhagavān is not jīva-tattva, but others, they are jīva-tattva. Demigods, they are jīva-tattva. Brahmā is also jīva-tattva. Devī is śakti-tattva. Jīva is also śakti-tattva. In one sense jīva-tattva is higher than this material śakti-tattva. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:\napareyam itas tu\nviddhi me prakṛtiṁ parāḥ\njīva-bhūtaṁ mahā-bāho\nyayedaṁ dhāryate jagat\n[Bg. 7.5]\n[Hindi]",
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"content": "\n For meditation, which form of should we...",
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"content": "\n Meditation Viṣṇu, Viṣṇu form.",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n Yes. Viṣṇu form is the objective. Tad viṣṇoḥ paramaṁ padaṁ sadā paśyanti sūrayo. Viṣṇu-padma lakṣar[?], Ṛg Veda mantra. Oṁ tad viṣṇoḥ paramaṁ padaṁ sadā paśyanti sūrayaḥ divīva cakṣur ātatam, like that.",
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"content": "\n But in the Eleventh Chapter of the Gītā...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...when Lord has shown His virāṭ-darśana...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...He has shown Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśa, etc. They are all in Him.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Subordinate to Him.",
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"content": "\n You are also in Him.",
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"content": "\n They are subordinate to Him.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Subordinate. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Therefore to meditate on Kṛṣṇa, the only Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Yes. To meditate upon Kṛṣṇa is the highest yogic principle.",
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"content": "\n So that's what I asked...",
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"content": "\n Generally yogīs, they observe viṣṇu-tattva, generally.",
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"content": "\n For what...",
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"content": "\n But higher yogīs, bhakta-yogīs, they see only Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, yoginām api sarveṣāṁ mad-gatenāntarātmanā [Bg. 6.47].",
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"content": "\n What is fit for lay people? Which form should we meditate upon?",
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"content": "\n For Kali-yuga, this is Kṛṣṇa. Kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya [SB 12.3.51]. Kali-yuga, kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya.",
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"content": "\n I asked which form, that is the form...",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa form.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa form holding muralī[?] in His hand?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Veṇu, muralīdhara.\nveṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣaṁ\nbarhāvataṁsam asitāmbuda sundarāṅgam\nkandarpa-koṭi-kamanīya-viśeṣa-śobhaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.30]",
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"content": "\n But when you chant \"Rāma,'' the other...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Rāma is another... There is no difference between Rāma and Kṛṣṇa. If you like...",
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"content": "\n The form comes different in the...",
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"content": "\n Yes, but they are the same. Rāmādi mūrti.",
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"content": "\n For purpose of practice I am asking, when you chant Rāma, should you have the form of Rāma before you?",
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"content": "\n That, that depends on your affection. Bhagavān has got many forms. If you want, if you love Rāma, that's all right. If you love Kṛṣṇa, that is all right. If you love Nārāyaṇa, that is also all right. But Bhagavān mūrti, rāmādi-mūrtiṣu.",
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"content": "\n Along with Rādhe? [Hindi] [laughter]",
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"content": "\n That is incongruency. Rāma with Sītā.",
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"content": "\n Along with...",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa along with Rādhikā.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa with Rādhārāṇī.",
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"content": "\n Then what is Rādhā category?",
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"content": "\n The same śakti. Cit-śakti. Bhagavān ke pleasure potency. Śakti, śakti-tattva. So śaktimān. Bhagavān is śaktimān, and that śakti is Rādhārāṇī or Sītā or Lakṣmī. Durgā is also śakti, another feature of Rādhārāṇī.",
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"content": "\n Śakti in original is Rādhā?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Parāsya śaktih..., parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8, Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport]. [Hindi] Originally cit-śakti. Cit-śakti. That cit-śakti is expanding. Just like we are..., rāmādi mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan [Bs. 5.39]. Kalā means part and parcel. So we are also part and parcel, but we are very small part and parcel.\nBut rāmādi mūrti, they are bigger part and parcel. Just like if you throw one brick on the floor, so there will be so many small particles, big particles, this particle, that par... They are all part and parcel of the brick, but one part, very small atomic part, and one big part, this part, this part, then this part, then this part. So all, Kṛṣṇa is the origin, and everyone is part and parcel. Some of them are bigger and some of them are smaller. So viṣṇu-tattva is almost like Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Like Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Others, they are very small. So according to the size, or according to the power...",
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"content": "\n Power.",
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"content": "\n ...the part and parcel exercises his position. Some of them are viṣṇu-tattva, some of them are jīva-tattva, some of them are śakti-tattva and some of them para-tattva. Like that.",
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"content": "\n Para-tattva?",
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"content": "\n Para-tattva.",
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"content": "\n Means?",
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"content": "\n Para-tattva is Bhagavān. Para-tattva means Kṛṣṇa, Rāma, Nārāyaṇa, Viṣṇu. These are para-tattvas. Bhagavān avatāra, rāmā, nṛsiṁha, varāha, kūrma, vāmana, daśāvatāra, all avatāra. [Hindi] Or śakti-tattva, material energy, aparā-tattva, matter. Similarly cit-tattva, spiritual world. The living entities, although they are in the material world, they belong to the spiritual world. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, apareyam. This material energy is inferior. Itas viddhi me prakṛtiṁ parām. Beyond this there is another, superior energy, jīva-bhūta. That is jīva.",
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"content": "\n Excuse me, Śrīla Prabhupāda, Kṣīrodakaśāyī-Viṣṇu...",
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"content": "\n Hmm.",
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"content": "\n Kṣīrodakaśāyī-Viṣṇu...",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n Kṣīrodakaśāyī-Viṣṇu is in which category?",
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"content": "\n He is para-tattva.",
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"content": "\n And, uh...",
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"content": "\n Any viṣṇu-tattva is para-tattva.",
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"content": "\n What is definition of [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n Some people say that jīva is a, you see, surrounded by [Hindi].",
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"content": "\n [Hindi] False. False ego. He is misidentifying with this matter. He is not matter. So this ahaṅkāra, this identification, has to be purified by understanding himself that \"I am Brahman. I am not matter.'' That is purification. And as soon as he is purified, brahma-bhūta.... Now jīva-bhūta, but when he becomes brahma-bhūta, then he becomes jolly. Brahma-bhutaḥ prasannātmā [Bg. 18.54].\nThat is the symptom. Not that \"I am realized Brahman.'' But the symptom will be there. If he says, \"I am very rich man,'' then I'll see what is the symptom, whether you have got a nice car, you have got many servants, and \"Oh, yes, you are rich man.'' And if you are walking on the street with a sweeper, how can I accept you?",
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"content": "\n If I am that bad balances and [indistinct]. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Subject to your symptom. [laughter] [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n We're just asking questions and questions. [indistinct] Endeavor to understand it. [indistinct] That we have come to receive. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Bhagavān's rāsa-līla is very confidential. It is not for ordinary men. [Hindi] So, step by step [Hindi]. Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa rāsa-līla, Kṛṣṇa with young girls dancing, embracing, kissing, just like ordinary novel and nātha. They like it. So these professional Bhāgavata readers, they take advantage of the people's inferior quality, of their weakness, and make money. That's all.",
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"content": "\n That's why I wanted to know...",
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"content": "\n Yes. They make money.",
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"content": "\n The significance..., there is no significance. These professional Bhāgavata readers, they make money from the public because public wants to hear all these things. Just like we read a novel—a woman is embracing a man, or kissing or having sex. They like it. Therefore they go the Bhāgavata Tenth Canto immediately. Their Bhāgavata reading is professional, not understanding of Kṛṣṇa.\nIf you want to understand Kṛṣṇa, then go step by step, one by one. First of all read Bhagavad-gītā, try to understand, and you surrender to Kṛṣṇa as Kṛṣṇa says, then you enter. Just like after passing entrance examination you enter into the college. Similarly, when you are qualified in accepting Kṛṣṇa as all in all, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇam [Bg. 18.66], then you enter into Bhāgavata.\nBhāgavata is the graduate study, not ordinary study. But these professionals, they take advantage of the weakness of the people, and they make profession and earn some money. That's all. When we speak of Bhāgavata we speak from First Canto, Second Canto, Third Canto..., the nine cantos to understand Kṛṣṇa. Just like in First Canto the beginning, janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1], oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya, janmādy asya yataḥ. This is Vedānta-sūtra verse. Paraṁ satyaṁ dhīmahi. [Hindi] Come to Kṛṣṇa for perfect knowledge, then you'll understand what is kṛṣṇa-līlā. [end]",
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"content": "\n I understand that your..., this society is known as International Student Society? Yes. There are many other international societies. There are international United Nations also. The idea is very nice, but we should try to understand—internationally or universally—what is the central idea. Just like if you throw a stone in the middle of water, it expands. It becomes..., the circle expands, and the circle goes to the limit of the bank of the water. That is the way. The vibration, sound vibration also, radio message also. Similarly, the circle increases, and you capture the waves and you understand.\nSimilarly, international feeling can be extended also. In the beginning of our life, just like a child, anna-brahma: everything he wants to eat. A small child, whatever he captures he wants to eat. Personal interest. Then, when the child grows, he tries to participate with his other brothers and sisters: \"All right. You also take little.\" This is increasing the feeling of fellowship. Then he grows again; he feels for his father, parents, society, then community, country and, at last, international. Expansion.\nBut in such feeling, unless the center is right, that expansion of feeling, universally or internationally or nationally even, that is not perfect. That is not perfect. Take, for example, internationally. In your country, what is the meaning of national? National means one who has taken birth in that particular country. Is that all right? National? You feel for another American because he is born in this country. Or any other country, Indian. That national feeling..., that is called national feeling. You feel for your countrymen. You sacrifice your life for your country.\nBut there is defect. What is that defect? If this is the definition—that a living entity or a person born in that country, he is a national—then why not the animals? They are also born in that country. But we are not expanding our feelings beyond this human society. We don't think animals are national assets. Animals are sent to the slaughterhouse. So this is because the center of national feeling or international feeling is losing. The center is not fixed up. If the center is right, then you can make circle from that center, any number of circles, they'll never overlap. They'll be growing, growing, growing. They'll not interact with one another if the center is all right.\nSo everyone is feeling nationally or internationally, but the center is missing. Therefore your feeling, your international feeling, my international feeling, your national feeling, my national feeling, they are overlapping. So we have to find out the center. Then you expand your circle, it will not, I mean to say, overlap or counteract. It will go on. That center is Kṛṣṇa. Our society, International Society for Krishna Consciousness, is teaching to the people of all country that the center is Kṛṣṇa. You try to think from the central point of Kṛṣṇa. That Kṛṣṇa philosophy is the Bhagavad-gītā.\nI take it for granted that many of you have studied Bhagavad-gītā. And in the Seventh Chapter there is a nice verse that,\nbahūnāṁ janmanām ante\njñānavān māṁ prapadyate\nvāsudevaḥ sarvam iti\nsa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ\n[Bg. 7.19]\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nYou have heard the word mahātmā. That is a Sanskrit word, or Indian word, which is applied to a person whose mind is expanded, whose feelings, the circle of his feelings, is very expanding. He is called mahātmā. Mahā means big or great, and ātmā, ātmā means soul. Who has expanded his soul very wide, he is called mahātmā. So this Bhagavad-gītā gives the definition of the person who has expanded his feeling very wide.\nWho is that? It is said there, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante [Bg. 7.19]. We are trying to expand our feeling socially, communally or nationally or internationally or universally or some other way. This is going on. We try to do it. That is our natural function, especially in the human form of life—expanded consciousness, broader consciousness. We try.\nWe try to do some service to the whole humanity, to society, to the country. That is expanded consciousness. But Bhagavad-gītā says that bahūnāṁ janmanām ante. Bahu means many, and janma means birth. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante: at the end of. At the end of many, many births.\nPerhaps you know that we believe the theory—not theory; the fact—of transmigration of soul. We are changing bodies one after another. There are 8,400,000's of different species of life, and we are evolving. And at last we come to this form, human form of life. This is also called bahūnāṁ janmanām ante: after many, many births.\nLabdhvā su-durlabham idaṁ bahu-sambhavānte\n[SB 11.9.29]. \n[After many, many births and deaths one achieves the rare human form of life, which, although temporary, affords one the opportunity to attain the highest perfection. Thus a sober human being should quickly endeavor for the ultimate perfection of life as long as his body, which is always subject to death, has not fallen down and died. After all, sense gratification is available even in the most abominable species of life, whereas Kṛṣṇa consciousness is possible only for a human being.]\nIn the Bhāgavata there is a verse. It is said there, labdhvā su-durlabham idam. Idam. Idam means \"this.\" This body, labdhvā, you have got it. Labdhvā su-durlabham idam. Su-durlabham means it is very rare. This is not very cheap. The body of cats and dogs or animals, they are cheap, but this is not very cheap. Su-durlabhaḥ. Bahūnāṁ janman... Labdhvā su-durlabham idaṁ bahu-sambha-vānte.\nAfter many, many births, at least 8,000,000 births of different species of life, we get this human form of life. It is stated in the Bhāgavata, and similarly, all Vedic literatures, they corroborate one another. It is... The person who can understand, he doesn't find any contradiction. The same statement is there in the Bhagavad-gītā: bahūnāṁ janmanām ante.\nSo this human form of life is obtained after many, many births of lower animal or other than human form of life. But even in this human form of life also, if one is cultivating that knowledge to find out the central point, what is the central point, then that also requires he gets many, many births in human form of life also. But he has to find out that central point.\nThat central point is there, Kṛṣṇa is saying, that bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān [Bg. 7.19].\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nJñānavan means who has actually acquired knowledge. Jñānavān. Jñāna means knowledge, and vān means one who possesses. So one who possesses actual knowledge, after... We are cultivating knowledge. If we are actually cultivating knowledge, spiritual knowledge, not in one life but many, many lives, then when we actually become on the highest platform of knowledge, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān, then Kṛṣṇa says, mam prapadyate: \"He comes and surrenders unto Me, Kṛṣṇa,\" or God.\nWhen I speak \"Kṛṣṇa,\" \"Kṛṣṇa\" means the Supreme Lord, the all-attractive Supreme Personality of Godhead. So bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate. Surrenders. Why? Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ. This word mahātmā is there, because after cultivating knowledge many, many births, he has expanded himself to be very great.\nGod is great, and His devotee who expands up to the point of God, he is also called great. His ātmā is also great. Mahātmā. But He says, sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ. That sort of mahātmā, or great soul, is very rare to be seen. Su-durlabhaḥ. Su-durlabhaḥ. Su means very, and durlabhaḥ means rare. Very rare.\nSo this is the definition we get from Bhagavad-gītā, that we are expanding our feelings of love, different types of love—love of the country, love of the nation, love of the society, love of the community, love of the family, or love of the cats and dogs and so on. Love is there. Love is there, but we are expanding it according to our expansion of perfect knowledge.\nThat perfect knowledge comes to exist when we come to the point of loving Kṛṣṇa. That is perfection. Sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ. But it is very difficult to find out such person who has developed love of Kṛṣṇa. But that is the aim of life. That is the aim of all activities.\nSimilarly, in the Bhāgavata, there is another verse. It is said that,\ndharmaḥ svanuṣṭhitaḥ puṁsāṁ\nviṣvaksena-kathāsu yaḥ\nnotpādayed ratiṁ yadi\nśrama eva hi kevalam\n[SB 1.2.8]\nThe occupational activities a man performs according to his own position are only so much useless labor if they do not provoke attraction for the message of the Personality of Godhead.\nIt is said that you are doing your duty according to your position. Everyone is doing. Svanuṣṭhitaḥ dharmaḥ. Dharma means occupational duty. Everyone has got duty. A student has a duty, or a householder has got some duty, a sannyāsī has got some duty, a brahmacārī has got duty. So there are different types of duties according to different occupation or profession.\nBut Bhāgavata says that you can perform your duties very nicely, very accurately, but if by performing your duties you do not come to the understanding of Kṛṣṇa, or God, then whatever you have done very nicely, śrama eva hi kevalam: it is simply laboring. Simply laboring.\nBut if you want to perfection, come to the point of perfection, then that is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, as I said, that bahūnāṁ janmanām, after discharging duties very nicely, very accurately, very faithfully, if one comes to the point that vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti, then you should understand that your feelings of love or international feeling or national feeling has actually expanded. That is it. That is real national feeling.\nAnd what is the symptom? A man says, \"Yes, I have expanded very widely my feelings of love.\" No. There are some symptoms how you are feeling, how you are... That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, that paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ. Paṇḍita means learned. Sama-darśinaḥ.\nvidyā-vinaya-sampanne\nbrāhmaṇe gavi hastini\nśuni caiva śva-pāke ca\npaṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ\n[Bg. 5.18]\n[The humble sage, by virtue of true knowledge, sees with equal vision a learned and gentle brāhmaṇa, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste]]\nA paṇḍita, if one has actually elevated to that stage of perfect wisdom, then he is sama-darśinaḥ, that actually sama... How sama-darśinaḥ? Vidyā-vinaya-sampanne brāhmaṇe. A brāhmaṇa, according to Vedic culture, a brāhmaṇa is considered... Brāhmaṇa means vidyā-vinaya-sampanne. He is very gentle and very learned. That is the first qualification of brāhmaṇa. Not by birth but by qualification.\nGentle and learned. Vidyā-vinaya-sampanne brāhmaṇe gavi..., brāhmaṇe gavi hastini, paṇḍitaḥ sama-darśinaḥ. Because his vision is no more on the platform of this body. Sama-darśinaḥ. He sees a learned brāhmaṇa is also a spirit soul, and a dog is also a spirit soul, an elephant is also a spirit soul, or a low-born man, he is also spirit soul.\nBeginning from the high-born brāhmaṇa up to the caṇḍāla, there are social stages in the human society. But if a man is really learned, he sees everyone, every living entity, on the same level. That is the stage of learning.\nvidyā-vinaya-sampanne\nbrāhmaṇe gavi hastini\nśuni caiva śva-pāke ca...\n[Bg. 5.18]\nŚva-pāk means the dog-eaters. In India there are many types of flesh eaters. Not higher caste; amongst the lower grade. But anyone who eats the flesh of dog, he is called caṇḍāla, lowest of the mankind. But here Bhagavad-gītā says even if he is caṇḍāla, the paṇḍitaḥ, he sees equally like the brāhmaṇa, because he sees the spirit soul.\nSo our point is that if we actually want to expand this international feeling, then we must find out the real center. That center is Kṛṣṇa—Kṛṣṇa, or God, I have already explained. Kṛṣṇa said in the Bhagavad-gītā... You'll please always remember that this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means placing Bhagavad-gītā as it is.\nWhatever I am speaking, it is there in the Bhagavad-gītā. Unfortunately, Bhagavad-gītā has been misinterpreted by so many commentators that people have misunderstood the Bhagavad-gītā. Actually, Bhagavad-gītā means to develop Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and we are trying to do that.\nSo in that Bhagavad-gītā, as Kṛṣṇa has given the definition of mahātmā, broadminded... So what is that broadminded? He says next verse, mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ [Bg. 9.13]. \n[O son of Pṛthā, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible.]\nMahātmā, who is actually wise and broadminded, he is no more within the spell of this material energy. He is under the shelter, or protection, of spiritual energy. Everything... Just try to understand. Whatever we are seeing, they are different energies of God. Parāsya brāhmaṇa śaktir..., akhilaṁ jagat. Whatever we are experiencing, they are all different energies of the Supreme Lord, parāsya śaktir.\nIn the Vedic literature, Upaniṣad, it is said, parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate. The Supreme Absolute Truth has many varieties of energies. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate, svābhāvikī jñāna-bala-kriyā ca [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8, Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport].\n[The Supreme Lord has multipotencies, which act so perfectly that all consciousness, strength and activity are being directed solely by His will.]\nAnd the energies are acting so nicely that it appears that it is being automatically, nicely done. Just like a flower is blooming. The energy of God is acting there, but we are seeing that it has automatically become so beautiful and blooming. No. That is energy. That is the vision how we can see God.\nHow we can see Kṛṣṇa? In the Fourth Chapter you'll find, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya [Bg. 7.8]\n[O son of Kuntī [Arjuna], I am the taste of water, the light of the sun and the moon, the syllable om in the Vedic mantras; I am the sound in ether and ability in man.]\n\"My dear Kaunteya, Arjuna, you, if you try to understand Me, if you want to make your soul broader to understand Me, try to understand Me—raso 'ham apsu kaunteya—I am the taste, the sweet taste in the water.\" So every day we are drinking water. There is nobody here who does not drink water. So when you drink water and you feel satisfaction, that satisfaction is Kṛṣṇa. Raso 'ham apsu kaunteya prabhāsmi śaśi-sūryayoḥ. Nobody can escape seeing the light of the sun, of the moon. Śaśi, śaśi means moon. Sūrya means sun. So Kṛṣṇa says, \"That illumination is I am.\"\nSo there is so many list of understanding that God consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So when one is fully cognizant of the energies of the Lord, how they are acting... And we have to practice. We take lesson from Bhagavad-gītā and we practice. You will be able to understand. Then after bahūnāṁ janmanām ante, when you become mature, vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti, \"Oh, Vāsudeva is everything,\" then you surrender. Sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ. That person, who has widened his soul in that way, he is very rare to be seen.\nAnd what are the functions of such mahātmā? Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ [Bg. 9.13]. \n[O son of Pṛthā, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible.]\nMahātmā, one who is so broadminded, he is not crooked to be under the spell of this material energy. He is under the protection of the spiritual energy, daivī prakṛti. Prakṛti means nature. This nature is called the material energy. And there is another, spiritual energy. These things are all explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. Apareyam. These are aparā. Aparā means inferior energies, material energy. Itas tu viddhi me prakṛtiṁ parā. Beyond this inferior energy, there is another, spiritual energy. There are so many verses you'll find in the Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo our propagation is to present Bhagavad-gītā as it is, without any nonsensical commentation. There is no need of nonsensical commentation. Bhagavad-gītā is as clear as the sunlight. As you do not require to see the sun with another lamp, similarly, you do not [chuckling] require to study Bhagavad-gītā with another commentation of a common man who has no knowledge. Bhagavad-gītā as it is, you should study. Then you will get all this knowledge. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante: you become wise and you can understand Kṛṣṇa. Then you surrender. Then you become mahātmā.\nAnd what is the function of mahātmā? Mahātmā is under the protection of spiritual energy. And what is the symptom of that protection of spiritual energy? That is also stated,\nmahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha\ndaivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ\nbhajanty ananya-manaso...\n[Bg. 9.13]\nHe is always engaged in devotional service of Kṛṣṇa. That is the only symptom. That is mahātmā.\nmahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha\ndaivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ\nbhajanty ananya-manaso\njñātvā bhūtādim avyayam\n[Bg. 9.13]\n[O son of Pṛthā, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible.]\nDoes he follow this devotional service blindly? No. Jñātvā. Jñātvā means \"knowing perfectly that I am the source of everything.\" Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ [Bg. 10.8]:\n[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]\n\"I am the source of everything.\"\nSo these things are there in the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. It is not possible to explain all the verses, but our request is that this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to spread the knowledge depicted in the Bhagavad-gītā as it is, without any nonsensical commentation. Then the human society will profit by it. They are actually not in sound condition of living atmosphere, but if they understand Bhagavad-gītā and if they actually expand their broader outlook, then these questions of social, national, international, all will be automatically solved. There will be no difficulty.\nAnd without finding out the center, if we manufacture our own ways... Not to speak of any individual person; the different nations of the whole world, they are trying to be united. And in your country there is United Nations Organization. Unfortunately, instead of becoming one, the flags are increasing. Daily you pass, you'll see another flag is there. Just like in our India, there was one Hindustan. Now [chuckling] there has become another, Pakistan. And sometime there will be Sikhistan and there will be some-stan. So instead of becoming united, we are being disunited, because we are missing the center.\nSo my request is that you are all international students, you try to find out the center of any international movement. That international movement does not mean that \"My brother is international and I am international. All others, they are nothing.\" Not like that. Actually you try to feel internationally. That international feeling will be possible when you find out the center, Kṛṣṇa, as it is in the Bhagavad-gītā: bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyat. When you actually understand Kṛṣṇa, the Kṛṣṇa philosophy, that will be perfect.\nAnd Kṛṣṇa says, in the Thirteenth Chapter, you'll find,\nsarva-yoniṣu kaunteya\nsambhavanti mūrtayaḥ yāḥ\ntāsāṁ mahad yoni brahma\nahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ [pitā]\n[Bg. 14.4]\n[It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kuntī, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father.]\nHe is claiming that \"I am the father of all forms of life.\" Sarva-yoniṣu, \"all species of life.\" \"The material nature is the mother, and I am the seed-giving father.\" Just like without father and mother nobody can appear, similarly, in this material world, whoever has come, every one of us, beginning from Brahmā down to the ant, everyone, the mother is the material nature.\nThe mother supplies this body. So our this body is material; therefore it is the gift of the material mother, material nature. But I, the spirit soul, that I am part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa. Mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ [Bg. 15.7]\n[The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.]\n\"All these living entities, they are My part and parcel.\"\nSo if you try to wide your feelings of internationality, please try to understand Bhagavad-gītā. You'll be getting enlightenment, you'll understand what is international feeling. Sarva-yoniṣu. Sarva-yoniṣu means then you will feel international even for the cats and dogs and animals and reptiles. In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam...\nThese people are manufacturing Communism, but in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Seventh Canto, you'll find a statement given by Nārada Muni that if in your house there is a snake even, you should give him something to eat. Just see how the feeling. Even there is a snake, what to speak of other animals.\nSo these feelings will be enlightened. Unless... We cannot be enlightened unless we come to the real point of God, or Kṛṣṇa. So we are preaching this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness. It is not a new movement, because as I told you, that this is based on the principles of Bhagavad-gītā, and Bhagavad-gītā is not new. At least from historical point of view, it is five thousand years old. And beyond history, pre-history, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā in the Fourth Chapter, it is said, Kṛṣṇa said,\nimaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ\nproktavān aham avyayam\nvivasvān manave prāhur\nmanur ikṣvākave 'bravīt\n[Bg. 4.1]\n[The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.]\nThat means \"I first of all spoke to the sun-god.\" Now if you take that duration, it will be some millions of years before it was spoken. These things are stated in the Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo apart from that statement, from historical point of view, since the days of Mahābhārata, yes, Battle of Kurukṣetra... Bhagavad-gītā was spoken in the Battle of Kurukṣetra. From historical point of view, it is five thousand years old. So this Bhagavad-gītā teaching is coming, at least, from five thousand..., since five thousand years. So it is older than any other scripture in the world.\nSo you try to understand as it is, without any unnecessary commentary. You do not... There is no use of commentary. The words are sufficient to give you enlightenment, but unfortunately, people take advantage of the popularity of Bhagavad-gītā, and they try to impress under the shelter of Bhagavad-gītā their own philosophy or own idea. That is useless.\nYou try to understand Bhagavad-gītā as it is, then you will get this entitlement, enlightenment, that Kṛṣṇa is the center of all activities. And if you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then everything will be perfect; all problems will be solved. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nThese things are there, and actually, they are happening. Our students are feeling..., they are actually doing that. So we shall request you to read this Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, so your feelings of international spirit will be perfect and you'll be happy, and wherever you preach this cult, they will be also happy. And that will be very nice thing.\nThank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\nIf there are any question, you can ask.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Could you discuss the various levels on the way to bliss consciousness? What happens to the body and the mind as one approaches bliss consciousness?",
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"content": "\n What are the different levels that you go through on the way to getting bliss consciousness? What happens to the body? What happens to the mind?",
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"content": "\n We are acting not singly, simply with mind or simply... Prāṇair arthair dhiyā vācā [SB 10.22.35]. \n[It is the duty of every living being to perform welfare activities for the benefit of others with his life, wealth, intelligence and words.]\nKāya-mana-vākya. Whatever we do, we do with our body, mind and words. But this consciousness means if you put your mind in Kṛṣṇa, then your words and body also become Kṛṣṇa-ized.\nSa vai manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor\n[SB 9.4.18].\n[Mahārāja Ambarīṣa always engaged his mind in meditating upon the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, his words in describing the glories of the Lord, his hands in cleansing the Lord's temple, and his ears in hearing the words spoken by Kṛṣṇa or about Kṛṣṇa. He engaged his eyes in seeing the Deity of Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa's temples and Kṛṣṇa's places like Mathurā and Vṛndāvana, he engaged his sense of touch in touching the bodies of the Lord's devotees, he engaged his sense of smell in smelling the fragrance of tulasī offered to the Lord, and he engaged his tongue in tasting the Lord's prasāda. He engaged his legs in walking to the holy places and temples of the Lord, his head in bowing down before the Lord, and all his desires in serving the Lord, twenty-four hours a day. Indeed, Mahārāja Ambarīṣa never desired anything for his own sense gratification. He engaged all his senses in devotional service, in various engagements related to the Lord. This is the way to increase attachment for the Lord and be completely free from all material desires.]\nThere was a nice king, Mahārāja Ambarīṣa. He was great king. He had to administer a great kingdom, whole world. But he was a great devotee also, although he was very busy. Because it is said, sa vai manaḥ. Manaḥ means mind. Sa vai manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor. He always kept his mind in the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa. Vacāṁsi vaikuṇṭha-guṇānuvarṇane. And therefore his mind was always dedicated to the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa. He could not speak anything but Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Vacāṁsi vaikuṇṭha-guṇa.\nSo the whole process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is transferring the business from matter to spirit, or Kṛṣṇa. There is a nice definition how to execute Kṛṣṇa consciousness in the Nārada Pañcarātra. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170].\n[“’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nIf we become freed from all these designations... \"I am American,\" this is a designation. \"I am Indian,\" this is a designation. I am not Indian; you are not American. We are all parts and parcel of the Supreme. This is only dress. It does not mean because I am in this saffron colored dress and you are in black coat or green coat, there is difference between you and me.\nWe are all human being. Similarly, we have to understand that this body is our dress only. Because we have got a different dress—a black dress or white dress or Indian dress or American dress—that does not mean we are different.\nWhen we can feel in that way, when we are trained in that way, that is called sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam. He is freed from all designation. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam tat-paratvena nirmalam. That time he becomes purified, nirmalam. So long I have got identification that \"I am this,\" \"I am that,\" \"I am that...\"\nSimply when I shall understand that \"I am part and parcel of God,\" that is..., means, that status of mind is called nirmalam, without any contamination. And when you are in that status of life... That is also explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. This is called brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā [Bg. 18.54].\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nBrahma-bhūtaḥ means self-realization. And the symptom will be prasannātmā, joyfulness, without any anxiety. So there are stages. One has to learn this from authoritative sources. Then it is possible to become... But our movement, it is..., chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is so nice that what was possible after many, many births, you can get it within a few weeks.\nThat is a fact. If you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra as we are doing, then you'll understand. Very quickly your self-realization, your freedom from designation, your mental concoction, everything will be cleared, and there will be no more anxiety.\nSo we request everyone. We are not charging anything. We are not saying that \"I shall give you some mantra. You pay me fifty dollars, and it is private.\" No. It is open, without any charge. Anyone can. These boys, American boys and girls, they are chanting. Similarly, you can also chant. There is none Indian, but they are very nicely chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. You can also chant. There is no fee. You just make an experiment on how you become free from this designation.\nSo our request is that everything will be complete if you take to this chanting: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. And there is no very strict rules, regulation. You can chant anywhere, either in this room or outside the room or on the road, street, bus. Wherever you find opportunity, you chant simply Hare Kṛṣṇa and see the result.\nSo this is a process of purification. When we actually purify our this material contamination and designation, we, I mean to say, raised, we are promoted to the actual spiritual life. And then, at that time, we shall feel happy and our consciousness will be broader, and everything will be all right.",
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"content": "\n I don't know the equivalent verse of Sanskrit from the Gītā, but somewhere it says that..., Kṛṣṇa says, \"All roads lead to Me. No matter what one does, no matter what one thinks, no matter what one is involved with, eventually he's evolving towards Me,\" this Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Yes, that's nice, but...",
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"content": "\n In this evolution, is it a natural evolution that you can teach people, you can guide people, you can show them the path, but the actual progress that one would make towards the supreme knowledge, is that a natural evolution, or is it...? Can that be influenced by external teaching?",
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"content": "\n No. There is natural, of course...",
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"content": "\n But no one person having no control on it. One may get there sooner than the other, but in reality there may not be any control that one really has on this...",
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"content": "\n No, it requires. It requires. Otherwise, why Kṛṣṇa is teaching? Why Kṛṣṇa's teaching is required?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa..., in the Gītā it says the student comes to the teacher.",
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"content": "\n If it is natural, then why it was needed that Kṛṣṇa would teach Arjuna? It is not natural. You have to select, by getting knowledge from superior person. Otherwise there is no meaning of teaching, Kṛṣṇa's to Arjuna. Arjuna was perplexed. He was... He could not understand whether he should fight or not. So that is the position of everyone. Everyone is perplexed. He requires a guidance like Kṛṣṇa. Then you can find out the...\nIt is not natural. Natural means up to the animal life it is natural. Then come to the human form of life. Then it is discretion. As you like, you make your choice. If you like Kṛṣṇa, you can go to Kṛṣṇa. If you like something else, you can go there. That is your discretion. Everyone has got independence, little independence. Kṛṣṇa says at the end of Bhagavad-gītā, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\n\"Just you surrender unto Me, giving up everything.\" If it is natural, then why should He say, \"You should do this\"? It is not natural. One has to learn it. Therefore he requires a spiritual master like Kṛṣṇa or His representative. But he has got the potency to accept it. And because he has got little independence, he can reject it.\nSo it is not natural evolution. You have to accept the principle as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. Why it is said, yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata [Bg. 4.7]?\n[Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion-at that time I descend Myself.]\nIf it is actually evolutionary, then why there is dharmasya glānir? Tadātmānaṁ sṛjāmy aham: \"As soon as there is discrepancies in the discharge of real duties, I appear.\" So it is natural. If we keep ourself in natural life, it is natural. But because we are developed consciousness, we do not keep in natural life. We accept so many unnatural things. Therefore our knowledge becomes covered by unnatural material nature.\nSo that has to be cleared by superior instruction. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nTherefore we have to take; voluntarily we have to accept. Just like a man who lives naturally, he never gets disease. But one who lives... Just like you don't find any disease amongst the animals. But amongst the human beings, oh, there are so many medical science, so many things. Why? They live unnaturally. So if you live naturally there is natural evolution, but if you block the natural course, then how you can do it? If you lit fire and let it go, it will grow. But if you pour water in it, how it will grow?\nSo in human form of life we do not go according to natural intuition. Just like amongst the animals, amongst the birds you'll see—take the pigeons—you give them some peas, they will eat. But if you give them some particles of meat, oh, they will not eat, because they are living natural life. A tiger, he will not accept... You give him nice foodstuff, prepare your vegetables, he'll not accept.\nSo natural life evolves up to the animal life. But when you come to the human form of life you have got developed consciousness, and instead of using your intelligence and consciousness for further develop naturally, you put unnatural impediments; therefore you are covered. That is called yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati, tadātmānam. Therefore you require instruction of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n One of the major criticisms today of most religions are their irrelevance to tackling the social problems or immediate external problems. You talked about things beyond the self. In the Bhagavad-gītā I think you have references such as Arjuna being told not to become attached to the fruit of his actions, but act. Can you give us some idea of, more specific idea, of the principles which would guide one's action while trying to develop Kṛṣṇa consciousness?",
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"content": "\n That principle is stated as the ultimate instruction of Bhagavad-gītā, that sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66].\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\nWe have got two kinds of religion. One is called, what is called, pravṛtti. Pravṛtti means we are inclined, because we have got this material body, we are inclined to material activities. That is called pravṛtti-mārga. Indriyāṇi parāṇy āhur [Bg. 3.42].\n[The working senses are superior to dull matter; mind is higher than the senses; intelligence is still higher than the mind; and he [the soul] is even higher than the intelligence.]\nThis body means senses. So because so long we are absorbed in this bodily concept of life, then we try to give comforts to the senses, sense gratification. This is one stage.\nSo dharma means occupation. People are engaged in various types of occupational duties for sense gratification. Sometimes in religion they say you'll go to heaven. What is that heaven? That is also sense gratification. You'll live so long years, you'll have so many beautiful wives and so many things, so many things.\nAll flowery language. What is the basic? Sense gratification. That's all. This is one way. Another way is nivṛtti-mārga. When one has seen perfectly that \"This process of sense gratification cannot give me actual happiness,\" then they began to give it up.\nJust like the Māyāvādī philosophy. They say brahma-satyaṁ jagan mithyā [Śaṅkarācārya]\n[The Supreme Brahman is the only truth, and this material world is false.]\n\"This world is false.\" Just like in your country, a section of youngsters, they're disgusted with this materialistic way of life. They have taken to the hippies' path. Why? It does not give satisfaction, but they do not know the right way. They have taken a wrong way, hippies. So this is called accepting and rejecting.\nSo Kṛṣṇa says, \"You have to give up all this nonsense accepting and rejecting. You have to take to Me, then you'll be happy.\" Sarva-dharmān. Sarva-dharmān means some religious occupation is for sense gratification and some religious occupation is rejection of this material world. So we have to give up both these, the acceptance and rejection. We have to accept the Kṛṣṇa's path, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. \"Surrender unto Me.\" Then we'll be happy.",
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"content": "\n I'd like to just digress on that. Arjuna had a very difficult problem with whether to go into combat or not. Today...",
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"content": "\n Yes. He accepted Kṛṣṇa's..., Kṛṣṇa's path, surrender. Kṛṣṇa wanted that \"You must fight.\" So in the beginning he did not like to fight, but when he surrendered... Kṛṣṇa asked him, \"My dear Arjuna, I have spoken to you everything. Now what you are going to do?\" Now here is also Kṛṣṇa is giving independence to Arjuna: \"What you are going to do?\" Yathecchasi tathā kuru [Bg. 18.63]\n[Thus I have explained to you the most confidential of all knowledge. Deliberate on this fully, and then do what you wish to do.]\n\"Now whatever you like, you do.\" He never interferes. And what Arjuna said? Kariṣye vacanaṁ tava [Bg. 18.73]\n[Arjuna said, My dear Kṛṣṇa, O infallible one, my illusion is now gone. I have regained my memory by Your mercy, and I am now firm and free from doubt and am prepared to act according to Your instructions.]\n\"Oh, I shall do what You are saying. Yes.\" [laughter] This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kariṣye vacanaṁ tava. Yes. He changed his decision and he wanted to do as Kṛṣṇa desired. This is Kṛṣṇa conscious. He remained the same military man, but he changed his consciousness. He perfected.\nArjuna, after learning Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or teachings of Bhagavad-gītā, he did not go away from the battlefield, but he sternly fought the fight because he knew that \"Kṛṣṇa wants it. All right.\" Kariṣye vacanam. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So when we take to this conclusion, kariṣye vacanaṁ tava, \"Kṛṣṇa, whatever You want, I shall do,\" that is perfection.",
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"content": "\n Under what conditions would Kṛṣṇa sanction violence?",
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"content": "\n Under what conditions would Kṛṣṇa sanction violence?",
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"content": "\n Violence? Kṛṣṇa does not sanction violence, but if there is absolute necessity, then violence is required. Yes. Kṛṣṇa wanted to mitigate the misunderstanding of two groups of cousin-brothers. So Kṛṣṇa personally induced, \"All right, they are..., your brothers are kṣatriyas. \nKṣatriyas, they cannot do any business or take the profession of a brāhmaṇa. So you give them five villages. They will be satisfied.\" And they replied, \"Oh, what do You call five villages? I cannot spare even that land which can hold the tip of this needle.\" Then Kṛṣṇa says, \"You must fight.\"\nSo Kṛṣṇa or Kṛṣṇa's devotees, they are not fight..., they are not after fight, but if there is absolute necessity of fight, then they can fight also. Because they are prepared to do anything. Just like in Rāmāyaṇa also, the same subject matter. Hanumān... Hanumān is a devotee of Lord Rāmacandra.\nSo he fought with Rāvaṇa not for his personal self, but Rāma wanted, that \"He has kidnapped the queen of Rāma. She must be delivered,\" and there was fighting. That is the principle. When one does not agree to the religious principle or to the moral principle or any instruction, he is adamant, then there must be fight.",
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"content": "\n What are the specific principles that you would use in trying to determine whether it is absolutely necessary to fight? That sounds sort of like \"Whenever in doubt, do the right thing.\" That's a very vague directive. You know that perhaps if somebody comes into your house and threatens your family, then you have to repel them with a certain amount of force, but how would you...",
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"content": "\n These instructions, these directions are there in the Vedic literatures. If somebody..., it is said if somebody kidnaps your wife, if somebody sets fire in your house, somebody comes to kill you, then he is understood as aggressor and you can kill him immediately. There is no question of nonviolence. These are śāstric instruction.\nAll right. So I think we can chant again. You can join. [end]",
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"content": "\n The amazing thing was that everybody was able to shake their own ass and get up and dance after..., a long time, and not knowing what to do. When ancient rhythms were floating through, everybody thought and certainly everybody desired to dance and sing rather than be frozen.\nBut such is the nature of our conditioning, in this, which is called the Kali-yuga, according to Hindu fairytale, Hindu mythology, Hindu religion, Hindu belief, Hindu metaphysics, Hindu cosmography, probably corresponding to what in our Western tradition we know as the gnostic tradition, through [indistinct], [indistinct] and William Blake.\nThis is a Orient version of what may be the same tradition, suppressed in the West when the CIA took over religion in 313 A.D. [laughter and applause], when Constantine, Caesar, made a deal with the Church to suppress all alien thoughts and heresies and to formulate a square Western version of heaven and hell. [laughter]\nThe Kali-yuga concept is one that you can now, in a sense, interpret ecologically. If you've been following the scientifical pronouncements of doom possibility coming over television, radio and slick magazines, as well as from the underground press, you will notice that there's increasing attention to the fact that our own fecal material, the waste products of our robots, have now so polluted Lake Erie that it's a great lake of green goo slime, biologically dead;.\nThat our atmosphere, the planetary atmosphere, is increasingly polluted with carbon wastes; and that we are so sunk in our attachment to automobile exhaust fumes, to sulfur wastes from great steel factories producing metals that can be sent flying to explode on the other side of the planet with the collaboration of the science faculties in such universities as this, [applause] so that we find ourselves increasingly sunk into what is called a materialistic habit, like a junky stuck on his junk.\nPeople are hooked on matter, and on their own identity in matter, taking their own identity from their faces, nose, bodies, and immediate physical city-complex around them, and not realizing another sweeter, deeper but wilder, or \"transcendental,\" identity than the identity of the one-dimensional man that Marcuse has talked out. So what we are proposing here is a modern-minded view, or some indications of a modern Western, i.e., gnostic, Marcuse view of Kali-yuga, as applying to our own situation, rather than being an Oriental fairytale.\nAs it stands, I read in the paper today, the prognosis for our... According to U Thant in today's paper, according to the head of the U.N., mankind has only ten years to reverse the political, social, moral, emotional, bhakti course of the planet, and alter our technology, alter our consciousness radically enough to preserve human existence on the planet. [applause] So this is not only the official U.N. pronouncement; it's also the pronouncement of most of the ecologists, biologists and ecosystemic students of the planet that are presently considering the ecological disruption that we have caused through our greed and destructiveness.\nThe Oriental tale, or analysis, has it, however, that we have a good deal more time. The Kali-yuga, or age of heavy metal entanglement, iron age, lasts 432,000 years, and we're only 5,000 years into it. So there is 428..., 427,000 years to go.\nIn a conversation with Swami Bhaktivedanta today, I was inquiring more about the details of the mythology, which are found in a book called the Bhāgavata Purāṇa. He explained that according to Hindu analysis we are five thousand years into the descent from a lighter age, the age of brass, the disappearance of Lord Kṛṣṇa, an aspect of the Hindu Deity Viṣṇu, preserver, or perhaps the supreme form of the preserver aspect of the universe, of ourselves, or of Viṣṇu.\nThis appearance of Kṛṣṇa, mythologically or historically, is five thousand years ago. We're five thousand years into the age of iron, and we have ten thousand years in which to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, which is to say, repeating the name of the aspect of preservation, hope, that particular vibration of dancing joy, transcending our cosmopolitical words. We have ten thousand years for that play before there is a total descent into one-foot-tall monsters who eat each other up for meat because all the vegetables have disappeared, because DDT has completely cleared out any biological life form except mammals who go around eating each other at that point.\nFor... I've known Swami Bhaktivedanta for about three years, since he settled in the Lower East Side in New York, which was my territory and my neighborhood... [applause] It seemed to me like a stroke of great intelligence of him to come not as an uptown swami [laughter], but as a real down-home street swami, and make it on the street in the Lower East Side, as in..., as also opening a branch on Frederick Street in San Francisco, right in the center of Haight-Ashbury neighborhood, so that people who were tripping in Haight-Ashbury several years ago, coming down, wanting some, quote, \"permanent—eternal reassurance,\" formula, ritual, magic, hope, feel, one truth, if you wish, okay, zeroed in on the Frederick Street rug'd, perfumed, incensed, āśrama, where chanting would be heard at dawn as they were coming down off a trip all night.\nA great many people who were hung on acid or other varieties of chemical psychedelics found it much more stable to practice a prolonged ritual, or sādhana, following the instructions of Swami Bhaktivedanta, which are old, classical, Indian-style instructions for both ritual, daily living, diet, sexuality, thought consciousness, apparel, hand gestures—in other words, a very complicated ritualized yoga, a very ancient one also.\nI thought Swami Bhaktivedanta made a great move in coming to the Lower East Side and to Haight-Ashbury. And then, naturally, because people dig chanting, centers formed in other parts of the United States, so that there are small street-level houses or storefront centers in Vancouver or in L.A., in Montreal, up in Buffalo, down in... There's some Buffalo chanters here. And \"chant\" comes from the word enchant, by the way, which means to make oneself into..., to make a magical spell about oneself. So there are Santa Fe centers also.\nIn other words, the indigenous..., the importation of a very strange Oriental form, almost a hard-shelled Baptist Oriental form, in the sense of its traditionality and its fundamentalism, its reliance on ancient texts and interpretation of ancient texts by a long tradition of teachers—it's strange, it's so far-out and ritualized an Indian form should take root in the United States a little more naturally than the more Protestant Vedānta Society or the extremely rigorous Zen groups that have taken root.\nI think partly it's due to the magnanimity or generosity or the old-age charm, wisdom, cheerfulness of Swami Bhaktivedanta, his openness of heart, his willingness to come down onto the street, and his sense of his own divinity and the divinity of others around him that it's been possible for the bhakti-yoga cult of India to be planted very firmly here in America, so that now there are communes, or āśramas, functioning on the basis of the Kṛṣṇa rituals, which are, in some respect, a model for all those anarchists and political people who are interested in establishing indigenous American communes.\nThe regulations on food, on sexual relations, which generally cause much confusion in mutual-living health pads; the regulations on sleep and thinking process are, like, an interesting model to study for those who are interested in forming affinity groups or large family communes.\nI will have my turn at language tomorrow, because I'm giving a poetry reading at the Student Union somewhere—I'm not sure where—which is my regular thing, which is why I was invited here by the Student Activities Committee. So I will cut myself off now and be brief and leave the rest of the evening to Swami Bhaktivedanta, who will give a language explanation, or whatever he wants to say, of the cultural or metaphysical or religious roots in... Pardon me?\n What time?\n I don't know. Any time now. The time now...\n Mention we'll have more chanting.\n Yes, I will. So the rest of this evening will be..., Swami Bhaktivedanta will explain his divine self. Then we will continue chanting.\nSwāmījī. [applause]\n[12:46]",
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As poet Ginsberg has explained to you, this is called Kali-yuga, or very degraded age. From the spiritual point of view, from material point of view also, people are reducing their duration of life and their merciful tendency, their strength, their stature.\nIf you study scrutinizingly, you will see that your stature is reducing, your memory is reducing, your duration of life is also reducing in this Kali-yuga. There are many symptoms. So Bhāgavata recommends, \"For self-realization in this age, simply by performing this sacrifice of saṅkīrtana.\"\nThe saṅkīrtana-yajña is so nice that at once you get transcendental ecstasy, and from spiritual consciousness, you try to join. Even a child desires like that. This is the effect of the saṅkīrtana-yajña. And Lord Caitanya, the inaugurator of this movement five hundred years ago.\nHe says that if you chant this mantra, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare, then the first installment of your gain will be that all the dirty things in your heart will be cleansed. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nAnd when we are in clean heart, then the next stage will be bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam: \"The problems of material existence will be solved.\" And when you are spiritually steady on the platform of saṅkīrtana-yajña, then your original consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and its concomitant joyfulness begins.\nThis thing also is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg. 18.54]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nIt is said there that \"When one comes on the platform of spiritual consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, at that time he becomes completely joyful.\" Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā. Prasanna means joyful; ātmā means soul. And the symptom is na śocati na kāṅkṣati.\nHe does not lament, neither hanker. In the material existence we have got two diseases: hankering for things which we do not possess and lamenting for things which we have lost. But actually we don't possess anything; everything belongs to God.\nThat is the Vedic injunction. Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1]\n[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]\nWhatever we see, that is the property of the Supreme Lord. And this claiming that \"This is my property,\" \"This is my body,\" \"This is my country,\" \"This is my home,\" \"This is my...,\" \"This is my...,\" this is called illusion.\nActually we do not possess anything. So when you actually come on the spiritual consciousness, you understand that nothing belongs to you. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati [Bg. 18.54].\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nKāṅkṣati means hankering, and socati means lament.\nThen the next stage is samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu. Then you can see everything, or every living entity, on the equal status. People are trying to come to that platform of oneness, but that is only possible when you come to the spiritual platform, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. In the material platform it is not possible.\nPractically we see the United Nations, they are trying to come to oneness of all nations, but they have failed. Simply the flags are increasing. Instead of being united, we are increasing our flags. So if you want actually oneness, then you have [to] come to that platform of brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā [Bg. 18.54]—prasannātmā, joyfulness.\nEveryone is hankering after joyfulness. How that joyfulness can be attained? That is explained in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. The Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam says,\nsa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo\nyato bhaktir adhokṣaje\nahaituky apratihatā\nyayātmā suprasīdati\n[SB 1.2.6]\n[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]\nĀtmā means soul, your self. We are, every one of us, hankering after that peace and tranquillity. How it is possible? Bhāgavata says yayātmā suprasīdati. Suprasīdati means completely become satisfied. How it is possible? Now, sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmaḥ: \"That is the first-class occupational duty by which you develop your love of God.\" That is first class.\nThe test of religion... Every religion has got some conception of God. That's all right. But if by following the principles of that religion, if you see that you are developing your love for God, then that is first class. Otherwise, Bhāgavata says, it is simply wasting time laboring.\ndharmaḥ svanuṣṭhitaḥ puṁsāṁ\nviṣvaksena-kathāsu yaḥ\nnotpādayed ratiṁ yadi\nśrama eva hi kevalam\n[SB 1.2.8]\n[The occupational activities a man performs according to his own position are only so much useless labor if they do not provoke attraction for the message of the Personality of Godhead.]\nThe Bhāgavata says that \"You are very nice man. You are very honest to your occupational duty. That is all right. But if by discharging your occupational duty you do not develop your eagerness to understand what is God and what is love of God,\" then, Bhāgavata says, \"it is simply laboring and wasting time.\" That is the test.\nAnd why we should try to increase our love of God? That is also explained: ahaituky apratihatā yayātmā suprasīdati [SB 1.2.6]. Ahaitukī, without any cause. We should love God without any cause. Just like we go to temple, church, with a motive. We go there: \"O God, give us our daily bread. I have come to You for my bread.\" That is not love of God. That is love of bread. [applause]\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu has given nice sample of love. He is playing the part of Rādhārāṇī. Rādhārāṇī is the conjugal consort of Kṛṣṇa. Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not dry. You'll see the picture, Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is a boy, sixteen years old, and Rādhārāṇī, a young girl, a little younger than Kṛṣṇa. They are enjoying, Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. Rādhā kṛṣṇa-praṇaya-vikṛtir hlādinī śaktir asmāt [Cc. Ādi 1.5].\n[The loving affairs of Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa are transcendental manifestations of the Lord’s internal pleasure-giving potency. Although Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa are one in Their identity, previously They separated Themselves. Now these two transcendental identities have again united, in the form of Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya. I bow down to Him, who has manifested Himself with the sentiment and complexion of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī although He is Kṛṣṇa Himself.]\nThere are different potencies of God. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8, Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport].\n[The Supreme Lord has multipotencies, which act so perfectly that all consciousness, strength and activity are being directed solely by His will.]\nIn the Vedic literature you'll find, Vedas, \"God has many energies.\" Parāsya śaktiḥ. Śakti means energy, power; vividhaiva, multi, various. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate svabhāva... Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva, na tasya samaś cābhyadhikaś ca dṛśyate.\nThis is the injunction of Vedas. \"You cannot find anyone equal or greater than God. Nobody can be equal with God; nobody can be greater than God.\" Then he is not God. Na tasya samaś cābhyadhikaś ca. Sama means equal; adhika means greater. Na tat-samaś cābhyadhikaś ca dṛśyate.\nThey have analyzed who is God. The great sages, the liberated sages, they are not fools, rascals, that they will accept anyone God. No. They will test. This is the test. If you find somebody that he is neither lower than anyone, neither equal to anyone, then he is God. There are other, many definitions of God. Aiśvaryasya samagrasya vīryasya yaśasaḥ śriyaḥ [Viṣṇu Purāṇa 6.5.47].\n[Full wealth, strength, fame, beauty, knowledge and renunciation-these are the six opulences of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.]\nAnalytical study. Try to understand God. This is the only business of human form of life, not that simply eating, sleeping and mating and, I mean to say, defending. These are animal business. The animal knows how to eat, how to sleep, how to mate, and how to defend in its own way. So that is common formula for human being or animal.\nBut there is one speciality in human society or human being—he can understand God, what is God. If I explain to a human being, however illiterate, uneducated he may be, if he has simply these two ears, he will understand what is God.\nTherefore the Vedic information is called śruti. Just try to hear. You haven't got to be educated or literate. God has given you these two ears, and you can learn. Simply you have to learn from the authorized sources. Then you will understand God. And when you understand God, then you develop love of God.\nAnd when you develop love of God without any motive and without any impediment, then you find, \"Oh,\" svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi varaṁ na yāce [Cc. Madhya 22.42]\n[“[When he was being blessed by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Dhruva Mahārāja said:] ’O my Lord, because I was seeking an opulent material position, I was performing severe types of penance and austerity. Now I have gotten You, who are very difficult for the great demigods, saintly persons and kings to attain. I was searching after a piece of glass, but instead I have found a most valuable jewel. Therefore I am so satisfied that I do not wish to ask any benediction from You.’]\n\"I have no more any demand. I am completely satisfied.\" Try to come to this platform, transcendental stage. You cannot be happy simply by material advancement. That is not possible.\nThat is explained in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam: parābhavas tāvad abodha-jātaḥ [SB 5.5.5].\n[As long as one does not inquire about the spiritual values of life, one is defeated and subjected to miseries arising from ignorance. Be it sinful or pious, karma has its resultant actions. If a person is engaged in any kind of karma, his mind is called karmātmaka, colored with fruitive activity. As long as the mind is impure, consciousness is unclear, and as long as one is absorbed in fruitive activity, he has to accept a material body.]\nEvery one of us are rascals, born ignorant. But we have got the capacity to take the message of God from authorized information. That we have got.\nSo Bhāgavata says, parābhavas tāvad abodha-jātaḥ: \"All living entities who are born ignorant, whatever they are doing for advancement of society, culture, education, civilization, all such activities are defeat only if he does not inquire what he is.\"\nParābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam. Ātma-tattvam. So long one does not inquire, \"What I am? What is God? What is this material nature? What are these activities? What are our relationships?\"—if these inquiries are not there, then all our activities are simply defeat. Parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam. Yāvan na prītir mayī vāsudeve [SB 5.5.6]\n[When the living entity is covered by the mode of ignorance, he does not understand the individual living being and the supreme living being, and his mind is subjugated by fruitive activity. Therefore, until one has love for Lord Vāsudeva, who is none other than Myself, he is certainly not delivered from having to accept a material body again and again.]\n\"So long one does not develop his dormant love of God,\" na mucyate deha-yogena tāvat, \"so long he will not be able to get out of this repeated birth and death and transmigration of the soul.\"\nThis transmigration of soul, repeated birth and death, is a diseased condition of the spirit soul. That we do not know. Neither in our education system there is any department of knowledge teaching what is the soul, what is after death, what was before birth. There is no science. It is very lamentable. Education in the name of simply eating, sleeping and mating, this is not education. If my bodily conception continues... The Bhāgavata says, yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke [SB 10.84.13]\n[One who identifies his self as the inert body composed of mucus, bile and air, who assumes his wife and family are permanently his own, who thinks an earthen image or the land of his birth is worshipable, or who sees a place of pilgrimage as merely the water there, but who never identifies himself with, feels kinship with, worships or even visits those who are wise in spiritual truth—such a person is no better than a cow or an ass.]\n\"Anyone who is thinking that this body of flesh and bone is self, he is an ass.\" [laughter] Sa eva go-kharaḥ. Go-kharaḥ. Khara means ass [laughter].\nYasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke sva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ. And by his conceiving this body as self... They have no even common reason that \"This bag of flesh, bone, urine, stool and secretion—can it be soul? Can it be self?\" But they are finding out by exercising this body to find out the soul.\nThe soul is there, but you cannot see by material instrument. It is very fine. It is one ten-thousandth part of the tip of your hair. These are explained in the Vedic literature. So how you can find with your material eyes? You cannot see it. And because you cannot see it, you are concluding there is no soul. That is the ignorance.\nThere is. There is soul, and this body has developed on the platform of that soul, and that soul is migrating from one body to another. That is called evolution. And that evolutional process is going on, 8,400,000's of species of life—aquatics, birds, beasts, plants and so many species of life. And we have got now this developed consciousness, human form of life.\nWe should properly utilize it. That is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. We simply educating people, \"Don't waste your valuable life, the human form of life. If you are missing this chance, you are committing suicide.\" That is our propaganda. Don't commit suicide. Take to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nAnd the process is very simple. You haven't got to take difficult processes like yoga system or philosophical, speculative system. That is not possible in this age. That is... I am not speaking from my own experience, but I am taking the experience of big ācāryas and big stalwart sages. They say that kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā.\nIf you want to realize yourself, if you want to know what is your next life, if you want to know what is God, if you want to know what is your relationship with God, all these things will be revealed to you—this is real knowledge—by simply chanting this mantra, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare.\nIt is practical. We are not charging anything. We are not bluffing you that \"I shall give you some something, secret mantra, and charge you fifty dollars.\" No. It is open for everyone. Please take it. That is our request. We are begging you, \"Don't spoil your life. Please take this mantra. Chant wherever you like.\"\nIt has no hard-and-fast rules you have to follow. Whenever you like, wherever you like, any condition of life... Just like we chanted half an hour before. Any condition, you felt ecstasy.\nSimilarly, you can continue this. Chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. It is given to you free. But if you want to know what is this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra through philosophy, through knowledge, through logic, we have got volumes of books. Don't think that we are simply sentimentally dancing. No, we have got background.\nSo try to understand this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. I have especially come to your country to deliver you this good message, because if you accept this, if you can understand this science of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, other part of the world will also follow, and the face of the world will be changed. That is a fact.\nSo therefore I request you that you take this chanting, Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, with you, and wherever you live, in whatever condition you are, you don't require to change. Caitanya Mahāprabhu has recommended that,\nsthāne sthitāḥ śruti-gatāṁ tanu-vāṅ-manobhiḥ\nprāyaśa ajita jito 'py asi tais tri-lokyām\n[SB 10.14.3]\n[Those who, even while remaining situated in their established social positions, throw away the process of speculative knowledge and with their body, words and mind offer all respects to descriptions of Your personality and activities, dedicating their lives to these narrations, which are vibrated by You personally and by Your pure devotees, certainly conquer Your Lordship, although You are otherwise unconquerable by anyone within the three worlds.]\nCaitanya Mahāprabhu discussed about spiritual realization with one of His great devotees called Rāmānanda Rāya. And Rāmaṇanda Rāya placed before Him many theories expounded in the Vedic literature. And at last, when Rāmānanda Rāya placed this verse from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that jñāne prayāsam udapāsya namanta eva... Don't be foolishly try to speculate to understand the unlimited. It is not possible.\nBy your tiny senses you cannot understand the unlimited. It is not possible. Therefore the first recommendation is that jñāne prayāsam udapāsya: don't try to be a dry speculator to understand the ultimate truth. Namanta: just become meek and humble. Namanta eva san-mukharitāṁ bhavadīya-vārtām. And try to receive the message from authorized sources.\nThen sthane sthitaḥ śruti-gatam tanu-van-manobhiḥ: in whatever condition you are, you don't require to change. You simply hear. Then a day will come when you will be able to conquer the Supreme Lord, who is unconquerable. God is great, nobody can conquer, but if you simply follow this process, then—in whatever condition you are, simply try to hear about God from authorized sources—then one day you will be able to conquer God within your hand.\nThis is also confirmed in the Brahma-saṁhitā:\nadvaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam\nādyaṁ purāṇa-puruṣaṁ nava-yauvanaṁ ca\nvedeṣu durlabham adurlabham ātma-bhaktau...\n[Bs. 5.33]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is inaccessible to the \nVedas,\n but obtainable by pure unalloyed devotion of the soul, who is without a second, who is not subject to decay, is without a beginning, whose form is endless, who is the beginning, and the eternal \npuruṣa;\n yet He is a person possessing the beauty of blooming youth.]\nYou cannot find out, simply you find out searching in the Vedas or scripture where is God. You have to conquer Him by your love. He will reveal to yourself. That is also explained in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nteṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ\nbhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam\nbuddhi-yogaṁ dadāmi taṁ\nyena mām upayānti te\n[Bg. 10.10]\n[To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.]\nEverything is clearly explained there. Please try to read this Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. It is science of God. You will understand. You will realize. And chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. This Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra will cleanse your heart. And after cleansing your heart, if you read one chapter of Bhagavad-gītā, you will understand gradually what is God, what you are, what is your relationship with God. And when you understand all these things and you develop your love of God, you'll become perfectly happy.\nSo we want to see you all happy. That is our program.\nSarve sukhino bhavantu.\n[Let everyone be happy.]\nEvery one of you become happy. But you must take the path how you can be happy. This is the path, Kṛṣṇa consciousness: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare.\nThank you very much. [applause] [end]",
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"content": "\n Erm, they have to be taught reading, and for this they have primers.",
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"content": "\n Primary readings.",
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"content": "\n And this is all right to use?",
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"content": "\n Because we haven't got any books such.",
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"content": "\n What about taking the primers and changing the names of the people to people like Satyabhāmā and give them spiritual names. Would that be nice?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Hari-nāmāmṛtam.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n All right. Arithmetic should be taught?",
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"content": "\n Arithmetic? Yes. That is necessary.",
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"content": "\n What about any history? World history or American history, or American literature or English literature?",
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"content": "\n American history. That's all. They are Americans. They should learn American history. Don't bother much.",
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"content": "\n Any Indian history?",
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"content": "\n Indian history, that... Bhāgavata is all right.",
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"content": "\n Bhāgavata... Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam?",
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"content": "\n That Kurukṣetra battle. That's all. And there are many other stories in the Bhāgavatam. They are all historical.",
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"content": "\n What about literatures? When they get older, of course. This would be for when they are older.",
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"content": "\n Literature, we have got so many. Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavata.",
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"content": "\n Any English literature, American literature, English literature?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Any... Some of the English literature, recognized.",
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"content": "\n Any of the sciences at all?",
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"content": "\n I don't think we require any science. What do you think?",
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"content": "\n Biology?\n No.\n No. Geology, zoology, astronomy.",
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"content": "\n Biology, you can teach them the evolution of the species from Padma-Purāṇa, 8,400,000's, one after another. Yes.",
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"content": "\n What about astronomy? Anything like that? No. Okay. Any animal husbandry they can learn out there. Animal husbandry they will learn...",
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"content": "\n That they will learn practically, cow-keeping.",
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"content": "\n At what age should they be taught to cook prasādam?",
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"content": "\n At what age should they be taught to cook?",
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"content": "\n After twelve years.",
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"content": "\n After twelve. And you think they can be taught typing, for instance? A skill like typing and how to use a typewriter?",
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"content": "\n Does it require all? Well, just this knowledge is required.",
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"content": "\n Whatever is practical.\n And the only other... Oh, how old should they be before Deity worship, they do Deity worship?",
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"content": "\n Just after ten years.",
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"content": "\n After ten years? Then they can do Deity worship?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n That's Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Deity worship.",
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"content": "\n Any Deity. Or worship Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Well, the boys are keeping Deities now, aren't they?\n Yes.\n He said after ten.",
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"content": "\n No, they are keeping as plaything now, not they are regularly worshiping.",
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"content": "\n He means in the temple they can officiate, do ārati and things...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Oh, I see. So from just very small they can keep Deities.\n Yes. As small as they want to.\n And you suggested... I have it written down somewhere. You suggested a certain number of hours for their school, about five hours or four hours a day, or...",
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"content": "\n Three hours in the morning, two hours in the evening. That's all. Not at a stretch. Morning, evening. And in the noon they should take their prasādam, take little rest.",
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"content": "\n Because our literatures are a little difficult to read, see they have to...",
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"content": "\n Yes. You have to make some suitable literature.",
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"content": "\n Something... When they can do that, then they can read Bhagavad-gītā. They try a little, but it's very difficult to begin.",
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"content": "\nPrabhupāda\n:\n [japa]\n[04:53]\nWhat is your name? Huh?",
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"content": "\n Lucy.\nPrabhupāda\n:\n Lucy. So your spiritual name, Lakṣmī-priyā. Lakṣmī-priyā. Lord Caitanya's first wife's name was Lakṣmī-priyā. Yes. So always think of Lord Caitanya and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nCome on, next. [japa]\n[12:28]\nYour name is Mṛga-netrī. Mṛga-netrī. Mṛga-netrī means staring eyes like she-deer. When Kṛṣṇa and Rādhārāṇī used to pass through the forest of Vṛndāvana, these deers and stags, they were looking with staring eyes: \"When Kṛṣṇa will pass this way?\" These animals were also attracted to Kṛṣṇa. The birds, everyone, the flowers, the fruits, everyone engage... Vṛndāvana means everything engaged in Kṛṣṇa. So if all of you similarly engage yourself always in Kṛṣṇa's service, this is Vṛndāvana.\nVṛndāvana is not that... As Kṛṣṇa is not located... He is located, but by His inconceivable potency He can simultaneously become located and distributed. Akhilātma-bhūtaḥ. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilātma-bhūtaḥ [Bs. 5.37]. He is always in Goloka Vṛndāvana, but still, He is everywhere. That is God's omnipotency. We say that God is omnipotent, but we do not know what does it mean. The omnipotency means simultaneously to do or to act or to remain everywhere. That is Kṛṣṇa.\nKṛṣṇa... You may not think that \"Kṛṣṇa is [in] Goloka Vṛndāvana. Here is an idol of Kṛṣṇa.\" No. He is Kṛṣṇa. Just like the electricity is distributed, but in the plug there is also electricity, similarly, Kṛṣṇa... That is Kṛṣṇa's inconceivable potency. He can remain in everyone's heart, He can remain everywhere. Just imagine. Everywhere He is. Goloka eva... But His location is Goloka Vṛndāvana, but still, He is everywhere.\nSo try to see Kṛṣṇa with that staring eyes—\"Where is Kṛṣṇa?\" Here is... Kṛṣṇa is within your heart. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānām [Bg. 18.61]. He is within the atom. He is everywhere. So by service, we can realize. Ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.136]. If we want to see Kṛṣṇa, touch Kṛṣṇa, with our these material senses, it is not possible. These senses are to be purified. How it is purified? Sevonmukhe hi jihvādau: the service. And wherefrom the service begins? The service begins jihvādau, from the tongue. The service begins from the tongue. You chant. Therefore we are giving you the beads to chant. That is the beginning of service: chanting.\nIf you chant, then svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ. By hearing Kṛṣṇa's name, you will understand Kṛṣṇa's form, you will understand Kṛṣṇa's quality, you'll understand Kṛṣṇa's pastimes, His omnipotency. Everything will be revealed. Svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ. Svayam means the Kṛṣṇa science becomes revealed. You cannot make research to understand Kṛṣṇa science with these material senses. You have to purify your senses, sevonmukhe, by service. Tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. When you engage your senses in Kṛṣṇa's service, then it becomes purified. Hṛṣīkeṇa.\nThat purified... Your senses is not to be abolished like the impersonalists: \"No more sense, finished.\" No. We... Our senses are... Because we are eternal, our senses are eternal. But at the present moment our senses are being used, contaminated; therefore you are not satisfied. The senses are not to be cut off. No. Liberation does not mean I become impersonal; all my senses are gone. No. Liberation means purification of the senses. And the symptom how the senses are purified, that will be manifested that when one's senses are simply engaged in the service of the Lord. Hands, legs, eyes, ears, mouth—we have got so many senses—everything.\nHṛṣīkeṇa-hṛṣīkeśa-sevanam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. Actually the proprietor of the senses is Kṛṣṇa. We have got this hand, but it is given to us. Actually it is the hand of Kṛṣṇa. He is all-pervading. Sarvato 'pāṇi pādas tat: \"Everywhere, His hands and legs are there.\" You'll find in the Bhagavad-gītā [Bg 13.14]. So therefore these hands and legs which we have got, this is Kṛṣṇa's hands and legs. So when these Kṛṣṇa's hands and legs will be engaged in the service of Kṛṣṇa, that is the perfection. That is the perfection. If our, our senses... Just like we used to..., we like to use our senses for own satisfaction, similarly... But actually the senses are not ours; it is Kṛṣṇa's. Hṛṣīkeṇa-hṛṣīkeśa [Cc. Madhya 19.170].\nTherefore Arjuna addressed Kṛṣṇa in the battlefield, \"Hṛṣīkeśa.\" Hṛṣīkeśa. The significance of this word is, \"My dear Kṛṣṇa, You are Hṛṣīkeśa. You are sitting in my heart, and You are the master of my senses. So I personally cannot understand what is the benefit of this fighting, but You give me direction and use my senses as You like. That's all.\" He was not inclined to fight, but he surrendered his senses and mind, everything. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo sevonmukhe jihvādau. Jihvā. Jihvā means the tongue. The tongue has got two business: to articulate, vibrate; and to taste. Taste Kṛṣṇa-prasādam, and articulate, chant, vibrate Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then as soon as your tongue is controlled, become purified, all other senses becomes automatically purified. Tongue is the greatest enemy. If you cannot control your tongue, then you cannot control your other senses. And therefore we prohibit, \"Not these...\" They are all concerned to the tongue: intoxication-tongue and meat-eating-tongue. So, intoxicant... Tongue dictates, \"Oh, my tongue is becoming dry. Let me drink something or smoke something.\"\nSo if you can control, if you become controller of your tongue—\"No\"—then you become svāmī, or gosvāmī. That means the senses do not become your master. You become the master of your senses. Then perfection, gosvāmī. That is... Go means senses; svāmī means master. So svāmī or gosvāmī, the same thing. So we have to become the master of our senses. That we can become only... Ourself, we cannot control our senses. If we engage our senses in the service of the Lord, Kṛṣṇa, then automatically it becomes controlled and purified. Then our life is successful.\nThank you very much. Now...\n Śrīla Prabhupāda? Could there be a name for their child?",
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"content": "\nThat little girl, Angie.",
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"content": "\n Oh, where is your daughter? She is not here?",
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"content": "\n No, she is not feeling well.",
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"content": "\n All right. She may be named as Anaṅga, Anaṅga-mañjarī. That's a name of one of the assistant gopīs. Yes. So your daughter is fortunate. She is getting association of these devotees from childhood. So give her protection and raise her nicely. He is becoming... She is becoming attracted to the Vaiṣṇavas, to Kṛṣṇa. This is the opportunity, to get nice father and mother and become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Yes.\nSo that is the duty of the father and mother, parents, to raise the children to complete Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then she will no more have to come back in the womb of any other mother. This is the... This finishes. That is the duty of father and mother. Father and mother should think that \"This child will no more come in any other womb. I shall train him or her in such a way.\" That is the duty. That is the duty of spiritual master, that is the duty of parents, that is the duty of state. But it is Kali-yuga; everything is different. So somehow or other, so she should be taken care. And as you train, so she becomes trained. That's all. Mmm.\n[chuckles] Oh. [chuckles] Thank you.",
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"content": "\n I have the list.",
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"content": "\n Yes. You can explain the offenses.",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is essential. Don't keep in the paper, but try to follow. All right. Go on. Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare.\n[devotees chant japa]\n[26:32]\nFormerly, the brāhmaṇas used to ignite fire by mantra. Yes. They did not use another fire. The mantra will ignite fire. In the Vedic age this was being done. Aruṇi. The sacrifice means to sacrifice one animal in the fire end give it again a new life. That was a test for the Vedic mantra, how one has chanted. It is not sacrifice, means killing. The animal sacrifice mentioned in the Vedas were not for killing. It was experiment of the Vedic mantra.\nThey would sacrifice an animal and again it will be given new life, rejuvenation. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu said to Chand Kazi that \"Because in this age the brāhmaṇas are not so powerful, therefore sacrifice is prohibited. Only this sacrifice: harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma eva kevalam [Cc. Ādi 17.21], this is...\"\n[japa] That's all right. Don't put any more. Yes. Put little ghee. Little ghee. That's all. [japa] Let it burn. Then, later on... You can chant mantra.\n[29:37]",
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"content": "\n\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\nPrabhupāda\n: \nWith the right hand. Right hand will [indistinct]. That's alright, offer obediences and chant, that's all... I can go? Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Viṣṇujana you can chant...\n[43:43]\n[kīrtana] [break] [end]",
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"content": "\n In the Caitanya-caritāmṛta it is said, ekale īśvara kṛṣṇa ara saba bhṛtya [Cc. \nĀdi\n 5.142].\n[Lord Kṛṣṇa alone is the supreme controller, and all others are His servants. They dance as He makes them do so.]\n[baby making noises] [aside:] He will disturb.\nĪśvara... Īśvara means master or the controller. Actually only Kṛṣṇa is master. Even Lord Śiva, Lord Brahmā or incarnation of Viṣṇu, all of them are, in one sense, even Rādhārāṇī, all are servants. Ekale īśvara kṛṣṇa ara saba bhṛtya.\nSo in that sense, in this New Vrindaban, the master is Kṛṣṇa, and we are all servants. But there are division of duties of the servants, and they should discharge. Just like in our propagation of Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement there are certain duties entrusted to certain devotee, and if he faithfully carries out that duty, that is his perfection. The spiritual master is the representative of Kṛṣṇa, and the duty allotted by him to a certain person, that should be his execution of spiritual duties.\nSo this New Vrindaban, master is Kṛṣṇa. Now we should specifically divide duties amongst ourselves and discharge such duties faithfully. Then, by the grace of Kṛṣṇa, as you are growing up to now, the system and the prescription is very nicely being conducted. And this will help us more and more progress. So in this meeting I think we should allot different kinds of duties to different persons and execute. So you say something.\n[break] ...temple. I don't think it can take more than two hours.",
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"content": "\n We are done ārati and kīrtana by seven o'clock in the morning.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. Then the respective duty can be discharged in two, three hours. That's all. Seven to ten. After taking your breakfast you work up to ten. Then you have got enough time.",
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"content": "\n Time for what?",
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"content": "\n Everyone has to make his own routine work, and for chanting and reading and Bhagavad-gītā he requires, say, two to three hours. So we have got twenty-four hours at our disposal. Out of that, six hours or seven hours for sleeping. So still you have got seventeen hours. And three hours devote for chanting and reading. Still you have got fourteen hours.",
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"content": "\n But we devote at least five hours to ārati and kīrtana.",
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"content": "\n Oh.",
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"content": "\n Another hour and a half or two hours to prasādam.\n Eating?\n Yes. To eating prasādam.",
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"content": "\n Two hours for eating?",
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"content": "\n Eating and taking rest.\n Well, noon prasādam, morning prasādam, milk in the evening.\n Morning and evening, half hour, noon, one hour.\n Bathing. Bathing takes an hour. An hour [indistinct] bathe.",
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"content": "\n So you want to stop chanting and reading?",
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"content": "\n No. No. [laughs]\n We don't want to stop chanting. I don't want to. That's not the proposal. The proposal was...\n Which comes first? If... The work seems to have to be done, but the...",
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"content": "\n You can forego your sleeping and eating.",
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"content": "\n Haribol.",
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"content": "\n The Gosvāmīs were doing like that. Nidrāhāra-vihārakādi-vijitau.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the six Gosvāmīs, namely Śrī Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrī Sanātana Gosvāmī, Śrī Raghunātha Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, Śrī Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Śrī Jīva Gosvāmī, and Śrī Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, who were engaged in chanting the holy names of the Lord and bowing down in a scheduled measurement. In this way they utilized their valuable lives and in executing these devotional activities they conquered over eating and sleeping and were always meek and humble enchanted by remembering the transcendental qualities of the Lord.]\nThey were discharging their duties, and if sometimes they still could not finish the chanting, they would forego their eating and sleeping. Eating and sleeping, say, seven to nine hours—then we have to sacrifice our sleeping and eating.",
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"content": "\n But the Gosvāmīs, they didn't swing axes all day, did they?",
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"content": "\n Yes. [chuckles]",
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"content": "\n They didn't do hard physical work.",
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"content": "\n No, they were writing books. So they were writing. You have to manage. You see? How can I suggest, \"You can do this, you can do this\"? Everyone has to do. Just like I do my work according to my own routine, you see, similarly, one has to... But if sometimes, by chance, you do not get any time for reading Bhagavad-gītā, that does not harm very much, because you are already engaged in Bhagavad-gītā.\nAny duty here in New Vrindaban... Just like Kṛṣṇa was inducing Arjuna to fight. That fighting was also within the program of this devotional service. Similarly, anything working within this New Vrindaban, that is also counted reading Bhagavad-gītā. So in some day if you don't find..., read Bhagavad-gītā, but that chanting must be finished. That is very essential.",
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"content": "\n Can one chant when working?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Why not? Chanting is the basic standing of our life.",
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"content": "\n I think here, as I look at it, we're spending about five hours a day in ārati and kīrtana, which, I think, is really good, because I think that is the heart of Vṛndāvana.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is the life of Vṛndāvana.",
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"content": "\n So I don't want to sacrifice that for anything.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That must be...",
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"content": "\n That must be there. That's the heart.",
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"content": "\n You can forego even reading Bhagavad-gītā, but that must be continued.",
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"content": "\n But now, right now, of course, this is not time for pruning, but I'd like to prune to show people that we really have something.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n It would be nice for our community. It would be nice for the people who visit us so that they'd be able to see that \"Ah, they're able to carry on with their gardening.\"",
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"content": "\n No. You also require some fruits for your existence also. Kṛṣṇa will like it.",
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"content": "\n Actually, it will help morale if they just have a little better prasādam.",
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"content": "\n Yes. And now we require some assistants, more assistants. Yes. So Kṛṣṇa will send. Kṛṣṇa will send gradually. You'll have more men here, and engage them.",
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"content": "\n Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja?\n Yes?\n This couple who are staying here now with their child, are they going to stay?\n Not that I know of.\n Yes. They want to go back to Athens and get their things and then come back here and stay. [break]",
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"content": "\n ...in charge of that particular department? Why it..., supervision? But casual supervision can be made.",
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"content": "\n Śrīla Prabhupāda? I was thinking that so far... [break]\n ...after that? Or does that work better?",
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"content": "\n Yes, why not? Prasādam is finished at two? Then up to four they are free. Or up to...? No.",
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"content": "\n The way it works out, the afternoon, they never seem to get much done anyway. There's a lot of frustration. Because sometimes I have a feeling like it's a lot of time being wasted, but still it seems very difficult, because you figure... Well, suppose prasādam were offered at two and you didn't finish up until about three. And then they rest until four. By the time they bathe and everything, it's time to start getting ready for kīrtana.\n We finished ārati and kīrtana by six o'clock this morning, which means that the early morning prasādam must be ready at six o'clock so we finish by seven and then work from seven to eight to nine to ten to eleven to twelve to one to two. That's eight hours' hard work in the morning. And then the rest of the afternoon off.\n That's all right.\n But we should get at least eight hours' hard work in on the grounds.\n Can the men do that, eight hours' hard work in a row, like that, without a break?\n Sure. I could.\n That is not enough time, though, in the afternoon for chanting.\n What do you mean? The whole afternoon...",
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"content": "\n That is nice, that in the morning you work, and after prasādam you are at ease, take rest or read or whatever you like.",
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"content": "\n There's plenty of time. From two o'clock until bedtime. That's eight hours. From two to ten. You can't chant sixteen rounds in eight hours?\n Well, I have to begin my duties with the cow at five o'clock. So we'll be finishing prasādam and rest at about four o'clock. That leaves me one hour, which is filled up with other odd chores.\n Well, then, if you have to take... You have an extra hour you have to work in the afternoon. You have an extra hour?\n Two hours.\n Since you milk the cows in the evening like that, you could take an hour or so off earlier. That would be all right.\n Then you can take off at one. If you put in an hour in the afternoon with the cow, then take off an hour from one to two to chant.\n Then we have from seven to eight.\n We'll try it that way.\n Sometimes we're so slow getting started in the morning.\n It's not enough time because..., that is, if the morning, the entire morning, is to be allotted to the major tasks... 'Cause the thing is, I find, that there are many, many time-consuming little chores to be done, that without which New Vrindaban would be a mess. There are so many little tasks to be done. [break]\n I'm president.",
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"content": "\n You are the president. And who is secretary?",
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"content": "\n Śyāma dāsī is secretary.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n Śyāma dāsī.",
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"content": "\n Śyāma dāsī, secretary. And who is treasurer?",
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"content": "\n Hṛṣīkeśa.",
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"content": "\n Hṛṣīkeśa. And what is Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja's position?",
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"content": "\n He is maṭha commander?\n Prime minister.\n Advisor. Advisor?\n General advisor, maṭha commander.",
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"content": "\n The maṭha commander... Of course, so far the management of the New Vrindaban affairs is concerned, that is within maṭha commander's jurisdiction?",
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"content": "\n I don't know.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Maṭha commander means the..., everything of that place under his command.",
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"content": "\n That's not good. Then advisor is better. Advisor would be better.",
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"content": "\n Advisor means his advice will be final?",
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"content": "\n Advice final? That means the advice would be depending on the president.",
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"content": "\n Confirmed by the president. So honorary advisor. Advice gratis?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n [chuckling] No. Another thing is that, as I suggested, that Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja, being sannyāsī, he should be given the top post to give honor to the position of a sannyāsī. Otherwise, in our Society there is no meaning of a sannyāsī.",
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"content": "\n So you want him to be president?",
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"content": "\n I think he should be, like that. You become secretary, and Śyāma dāsī become assistant secretary. Of course, everything should be decided in a meeting, and president maybe have as a casting vote, but the decision of the meeting will be actually the decision. Not that president autocracy. No. Or he may be president, you may be vice president and others, Śyāma dāsī, secretary, and treasurer he is. From sampradāya point of view, sannyāsī has to be given the top post. Do you think he will overrule you? [laughs]",
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"content": "\n Well, I have to make one request on that.",
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"content": "\n What is that?",
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"content": "\n That I not stay here.",
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"content": "\n You do not stay here?",
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"content": "\n Yes. I don't want to stay.",
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"content": "\n Unless you become president?",
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"content": "\n Unless I am in charge, I don't want to stay. I mean there are too many responsibilities that I've already assumed, and not to have the decisions as to what to do with the vehicles, what to do with this, what to do with that, I'd rather not have any part of it.",
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"content": "\n No, anyone who can manage everything, he should be in charge of the whole thing.",
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"content": "\n Well, factually he's in charge. Actually, we very seldom have any disagreements on things.",
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"content": "\n All right. That's all right. Then you remain president. And let him become vice president. That will be all right? In case of your absence, he will preside in the meeting. Will that be all right?",
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"content": "\n No, that's all right, as long as I have final decision in certain matters, as to what to do with my vehicles, what to do with this and what to do with that.",
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"content": "\n No, you will hold meeting and decide in that meeting. If you form a committee, then whatever you do, something serious, you should consult the committee and do it.",
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"content": "\n Well, you make the final decision. You can have anybody you want in charge here. I just make a request, personal request, that I not stay here. That's all. So I mean you can put anybody you want in charge. What I have given of the place is yours. I don't even care to have it.",
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"content": "\n [chuckles] This is not a good proposal. Then where you want to stay?",
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"content": "\n I'd like to go to India. Or maybe I could travel with you. That would be nice.",
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"content": "\n No. That is not good idea. You have started this New Vrindaban, you must finish it. So you must be in charge of this place. We have to do so many things. So...",
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"content": "\n What about... Why can't two people be in charge? Why can't we both...?",
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"content": "\n No. Then he will work as vice president? Or what do you want? Temple command?",
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"content": "\n I don't know. The title doesn't make any difference. The title doesn't matter. It's just that we agree on basic issues which I think that we should agree on, not that an issue comes up, and I have one idea about, and he says, \"No. I want it this way,\" and I can't do anything about it. For instance, say I don't want to cut down the tree there, and he says the tree must be cut down. That doesn't leave me anywhere. See? That leaves me to say, well... He can pull rank on me, which is something... I mean I'd just as soon not be involved.",
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"content": "\n So you disagree in every point?",
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"content": "\n Not every point. We don't often disagree. But I might want this tree to be left here.",
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"content": "\n Or what you decide and he must disagree that? Whatever you decide, and Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja must disagree with that point? Is that the situation?",
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"content": "\n That's not necessarily so.",
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"content": "\n But suppose if Kīrtanānanda says, \"Then I'll leave this place,\" then what will be the situation? As you say that \"Unless I am in charge, I leave this place,\" similarly, if he says that \"If I am not in charge, then I will leave this place,\" so would you like that he should leave this place?",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n Then both of you are required. Then how you can say that \"I'll leave this place,\" how he can say he'll leave? You must jointly work, because both of you, you have started this New Vrindaban, and you have to work jointly. There may be sometimes disagreement, but you should settle up. Otherwise how you can make progress? He's a sannyāsī.\nHe has got the right to travel. That is his business. He can go and preach. That is actually his business. His business is not to stay any place. Just like I am also, in this old age, I am traveling, parivrājaka. So if you think that you can do without him, then he can travel, and sometimes he may come here.",
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"content": "\n Well, I think he's necessary here. Definitely we need him here.",
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"content": "\n So if his presence is necessary, then he is a sannyāsī; he should be given some responsible post. And if he is not necessary, then his main business is to go. Now, if I... I am getting older. If he travels all over the centers and sees as superintendent what things are going on, that will be also nice. And in my absence he can deliver speech, and in that way he can get experience.\nNow he went to North Carolina. He did nicely. So... I know that both of you are required here to develop this center. Not that if you say, \"I go,\" and if he says he goes, then this place, the advancement which is progressing, this will be stopped. It is now in the nascent stage. You should not neglect now. You should work conjointly.",
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"content": "\n Well, what do you want to do, Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja? You have no preference at all.\n No.",
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"content": "\nWhat does he say?",
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"content": "\n He says he has no preference at all.",
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"content": "\n So... But you require his assistance also.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n So I think... Then the difficulty is that you say that whatever you decide, he says no?",
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"content": "\n If I don't want this tree to be cut down and he says, \"Cut down the tree,\" does the tree get cut down? [Prabhupāda laughs] That's what I want to know. I say, \"I want this tree to stay here.\" He says, \"We want to burn it for firewood.\" Now does the tree stay, or does it go?",
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"content": "\n [laughing] Well, if this is the position, it is very difficult to solve. [laughing] You want to stay, and he wants to burn it. [laughing]",
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"content": "\n Yes. I mean, it will come down to something very basic like this, something very simple.\nYes, simple.\nNow you said that according to you it should be burned. According to you... If the president is in charge, then if he says to cut it down, it gets cut down.",
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"content": "\n No. The committee. The majority decision will be...",
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"content": "\n That's democracy. That's democracy. That's no good.",
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"content": "\n Democracy? This is the age of...",
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"content": "\n I thought you said we should have enlightened monarchy. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n No. Monarchy is out of date now. When you form a committee... But what can I say? If you disagree in that way, then... If you have to live together, you have to work together; if you disagree in that way, it will be a difficult job.",
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"content": "\n Well, I don't care. I'll leave it up to you then. I'll leave it up to you. You can do what you want.",
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"content": "\n No... You... My... I have explained. He is... As a sannyāsī, he should live everywhere temporarily, just like I live temporarily. Aniketa. A sannyāsī should not have a permanent place. Anywhere he goes, temporary. So because you think that his service is required, then he should remain here.\nOtherwise, as he has accepted sannyāsa order, he should travel, go and preach. And especially nowadays, I cannot go everywhere; he can go, and he can recruit members. He can make propaganda of New Vrindaban to many persons, to the, I mean to say, foundations. As I have suggested, make pamphlet. So he can do outside work very nicely for developing Vrindaban.",
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"content": "\n How much of his time do you think should be spent doing this?",
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"content": "\n Which one?",
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"content": "\n Preaching and traveling.",
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"content": "\n He should always preach and travel. Always. There is immense field here. He should convince people that we are developing such a center. And you make a nice literature, picture. You go. He is educated. He is intelligent. He has studied our philosophy. He can go and speak.",
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"content": "\n But he shouldn't stay here at all?",
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"content": "\n No. He can come. He stay for some time and go, in that way. That... When he comes here, you take his advice, what to do, and then you execute in that way. The final is yourself, whatever you do. He will come and... Now, for developing this center we must require so many things. So he can do the outside work.",
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"content": "\n Well, I mean, I don't care that much. If you want to put him in charge...",
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"content": "\n That is... No. So far, if you ask my advice, he should do that work, outside propaganda, preaching. But as you say that his presence is required, therefore I say he may remain here. Otherwise, to remain here is not his duty as a sannyāsī. That is actually your duty, to organize the local management and everything.\nAnd his duty is outside work, preaching. He may have one assistant, and he can travel. He can educate your countrymen that \"Here is a nice thing we are developing. Please come and cooperate.\" Invite him, and when he comes, you receive him and give him good reception. In this way you have to make propaganda, outside and inside.\nJust like Kṛṣṇa is making outside and inside propaganda. Inside He is Supersoul; outside He is spiritual master to reclaim these fallen souls. Similarly, we should also work outside-inside. And for making outside propaganda, I think he will be the best man. Suppose if he goes to New York, stays for some time, sees respectable foundation and presidents and just to attract their attention this side...\nSimilarly, if he goes Los Angeles, San Francisco, all other cities, Boston, and sees important men, makes propaganda that \"We are doing this. Please come and help,\" that will be very nice. Arrange lectures from... Our local temples may arrange lectures, and he can impress people about the importance of this movement. Not only one; I require several such preachers now. Now we are improving. We are increasing our propaganda. We require several such assistants.\nThose who have decided to remain brahmacārī, some of them, those who are experienced, they can accept this sannyāsa order and preach. Outside propaganda is also required. Don't you think? Outside propaganda?",
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"content": "\n Well, I don't know if it's that important. I think more important than that is that he develop the place.",
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"content": "\nSo he'll remain.",
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"content": "\nI mean, actually I think that's good at the beginning, but there's still a degree...",
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"content": "\n His outside work means developing this place, but not by remaining here. He may come, remain here. Say for three months he remains, and again he goes three months outside. Again he comes one month. Why three months? One month here, again goes out; two months outside, again comes. He sees how things are going on.\nHe can suggest, \"You do like this. You can do like this.\" And you execute with your assistance. Will not that be nice? He gives your suggestion that \"You should...\" He can give yourself that \"You burn this tree.\" But if you like, you can burn. Otherwise you don't burn.",
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"content": "\n Haribol.",
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"content": "\n But if he remains here, you say, \"It must remain,\" he says, \"It must be burned,\" and then there will be kalaha, quarrel. You see? Better you let him travel, and when he comes, if he gives his suggestion that \"This tree should be burned,\" and now you decide whether it should be burned or should remain. And if he works outside, then we can very quickly develop, because we get outside sympathy for developing this center. I think that should be the way. What it is bringing?",
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"content": "\n Paper.",
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"content": "\n Some paper. [laughs] So inside-outside work must be done. Bahyābhyantaram śuciḥ. You know that verse?\napavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthaṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍerīkākṣam\nsa bahyābhyantaram śuciḥ\n[Garuḍa Purāṇa]\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\nSo we have to develop this center from outside work and inside work. Outside work means to draw sympathy of the people, to draw money for development. This is also required. We have got a very big scheme. It is not possible that by one man's earning we can do that. It is not possible. We require millions of dollars for developing. If we want to construct here temples, at least seven temples, nicely, so that requires huge amount.\nSo outsiders' sympathy must be there. There is no scarcity of money in your country. Simply they have to be educated that \"We are doing something very nice. Please come and help.\" And that will be nice, in my opinion, that let him come, stay here for one month, again go out for two months, again come here. And he sees how things are going on. He suggests. Now you decide whether his suggestion will be accepted or not. Then I am there, of course. If there is some suggestion, good suggestion. then my order will be final. Yes. In that way we have to develop this.",
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"content": "\n Well, are you leaving the decision up to me, or what? Are you leaving the decision up to me?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Local management, your decision, yes.",
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"content": "\n No, I mean whether he's to stay here or to travel or what.",
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"content": "\n No. Your decision is all right, but now he can give you some suggestion. Actually, when you are in charge of, your decision will be all right. But just like we make a plan. That is not one man's decision; that is the Society's decision. Suppose if we want to construct a temple here. So in this way we have to cooperate. Otherwise, how it can be developed?",
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"content": "\n I'd rather not be totally in charge, because it's too much work. I mean, I don't want to be in that sense responsible for the whole thing.",
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"content": "\n Then in your absence this secretary will do or this maṭha command will do.",
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"content": "\n Beg pardon?",
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"content": "\n Maṭha command will be Hṛṣīkeśa.",
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"content": "\n Maṭha commander?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Now you want to stay here. You are not staying here?",
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"content": "\n I'll be staying here...",
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"content": "\n Yes, that's all right.",
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"content": "\n ...permanently, temporarily at least, for a while.",
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"content": "\n Then? Why temporarily? You can... As gṛhastha, you can build a small house and stay with your wife and children. You remain the president of this center. That will be nice. Yes. As there are many..., in all centers there is one president, similarly, you remain president of this center.",
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"content": "\n Well, what happens when I leave? Then if he's not here and I leave, what happens then?",
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"content": "\n Then the maṭha command, secretary. Not with you, not that all, everyone, is leaving. You may leave sometimes. You want to go to your college, university, like that?",
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"content": "\n Well, I'll be gone every week, about half a week, for the whole school year. So somebody has to be here to take charge for three days out of the... I'm at least gone three days, at least.",
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"content": "\n So then the Paramānanda is there, and he is there. They are not fools. They are also intelligent. They can manage.",
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"content": "\n Well, whatever situation you want to set up.",
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"content": "\n No, no, I think this will be nice, because if he does outside propaganda, that will help development of this center. You make nice, what is called, prospectus? I gave you the idea, that what is the idea of this center, and make plans and where we want to construct temple, the, what is called, design of the temple, and make nicely and put before the people. And they have already known that Kṛṣṇa conscious movement is going on. So there are so many rich people in our country. If somebody comes forward, we can make very nice progress very quickly.\nSo we have to make some propaganda amongst them. Actually it is the nicest possible thing. Simply they have to be convinced. That's a fact. Nobody can challenge our sincerity and our purity in this world. Let anyone come, any so-called society, yoga society, this society, this, that. The best thing we are presenting. There is no doubt about it.\nNow people has to know it. How to make it known? We have to go to the newspaper man, magazine man, to the Foundations. So one responsible... One? Why one? Two, three men must move amongst them. And whenever required, if some big meeting is arranged, then I also go.\nPeople should know about our activities. We are not bogus thing. We are not that Maharshi Mahesh, that \"I give you something private, and give me some money.\" We are not that. We have got philosophy. We have got program. We have got authorities. So we must let people know the importance of this movement. What do you think, Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja?",
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"content": "\n Haribol.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Well, I think...",
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"content": "\n You have to sometimes go also.",
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"content": "\n Well, I think that until things are set in motion here... But I mean I don't know. Actually, he does most of the supervision here, and things aren't in motion. I'm at a loss. I don't like to get people down and get them to do their job.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. That's all right. In the meantime, you prepare the literature. You give me the literature, I'll get it printed somehow or other. You give me the synopsis. Both you consult, make a literature. And as soon as the literature is prepared, you will be out with that. And we have got so many centers. There is no difficulty of staying. He can stay in some center and go and see the important men there.\nHe is educated. He is learned. He has known our philosophy. He can convince people. He can arrange a big meeting of respectable men. They must know what we are doing, the importance of this movement. And your people, your government, is anxious to have something tangible, because there are already frustration in so many departments, in so many faction.\nSo this movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, will, I mean to say, smooth everything, pave everything. So they must know. And our process is very simple. We can introduce this process even in factories, even in anywhere, and we make peaceful everything. That is a fact. School, college, university, factory, everywhere. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ [Cc. Antya 20.12].\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nIt is cleansing process. Everything is dirty. So we want to cleanse and make people peaceful and happy. That is our mission. We are not money-collecting mission, that \"Give me your money, and let me enjoy.\" We are not that. Money..., we have got much money. Kṛṣṇa is our... The whole money is Kṛṣṇa's. Yaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ manyate nādhikaṁ tataḥ [Bg. 6.22].\n[The stage of perfection is called trance, or samādhi, when one's mind is completely restrained from material mental activities by practice of yoga. This is characterized by one's ability to see the self by the pure mind and to relish and rejoice in the self. In that joyous state, one is situated in boundless transcendental happiness and enjoys himself through transcendental senses. Established thus, one never departs from the truth, and upon gaining this he thinks there is no greater gain. Being situated in such a position, one is never shaken, even in the midst of greatest difficulty. This indeed is actual freedom from all miseries arising from material contact.]\nKṛṣṇa is so valuable, if one gets Kṛṣṇa, he wants no more anything. Svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi [Cc. Madhya 22.42]\n[“[When he was being blessed by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Dhruva Mahārāja said:] ’O my Lord, because I was seeking an opulent material position, I was performing severe types of penance and austerity. Now I have gotten You, who are very difficult for the great demigods, saintly persons and kings to attain. I was searching after a piece of glass, but instead I have found a most valuable jewel. Therefore I am so satisfied that I do not wish to ask any benediction from You.’]\n\"I am now satisfied. I don't want anything.\" Like Dhruva Mahārāja. So you are giving Kṛṣṇa so that people will be so happy he will say, \"Oh, I don't want anything. Now I have got the thing.\" You are distributing Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te [Cc. Madhya 19.53].\n[“O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\nCaitanya Mahaprabhu was adored by Rūpa Gosvāmī, \"Oh, You are the most munificent incarnation. You are distributing kṛṣṇa-prema.\" So we have taken that job. So people must know our importance. So outside propaganda is required. Don't you think it is required? Yes.\nSo make literature. Make nice literature with this picture, we get it printed, and then, in the meantime, you try to see things, how it can be managed. And let him move outside. As I am moving, he will move. And if some other boys who are determined to remain brahmacārī, not to marry, they can also take up. Brahmācari and sannyāsī is meant for moving. Yes.\nGṛhastha cannot move because they have to earn. They have to maintain. But the brahmacārīs, they will go and beg contribution. A sannyāsī will make the situation favorable. Just like if now a little more Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is known, if some brahmacārī goes, that \"We come from the...\"\nJust like in San Francisco it happened. One of our brahmacārī was arrested. So when he was taken into police custody, the officer said, \"Oh, he is Swāmī's man. Let him go. Let him go out.\" Yes. Actually happened so. Similarly, in New York also happened. They were arrested in the subways, and when they were taken in the police custody, he also, \"Oh, they are doing nice work. Let them go.\" [chuckling]\nSo we must make the situation—people will know that \"They are doing some good work.\" And when the brahmacārīs go there to beg some contribution, they will be glad: \"Oh, yes, they are doing nice work.\" So we have to do outside propaganda. First of all you make this literature, as I suggested. That you have got. You consult, both together. You do it, and I shall get it printed, at least a few thousand, five thousand or ten thousand. And then Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja will go to stay in every center for some days and make..., see the important men and convince. That is necessary.\n[aside:] Give me water. [wind blowing microphone]",
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"content": "\n So when should this be started?",
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"content": "\n As soon as the literature is prepared. Huh?",
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"content": "\n In the meantime we'll work on something.",
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"content": "\n Yes. You finish it and give me. I will get it printed, and then he goes. In the meantime you... So he remains as consultant. Your proposal, that you remain president, he is secretary, and treasurer, and he is consultant so long he is here and when he comes.",
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"content": "\n So he can be... He'll be general supervisor?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Naturally when he comes, he becomes overhead everyone, when he comes, because he is a sannyāsī. Just like here, when I am present, you take all final decision from me, so that should be the honor of the sannyāsī. But he should actually... He is not in charge of this place. Just like in other centers the president, secretary, are in charge.",
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"content": "\n So that's not called maṭha commander; that's called general supervisor.",
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"content": "\n He will be, for the time being, the superintendent of the Society. He will go everywhere and see and report me what..., how things are going on. And then we are going to make a central committee gradually. Everything will be done. Let us work very seriously and sincerely. Everything will come out.",
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"content": "\n So then Śyāma dāsī is our treasurer..., secretary.",
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"content": "\n Yes. And he is treasurer, Hṛṣīkeśa?",
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"content": "\n He's treasurer and temple commander.",
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"content": "\n No, what...? You president, she is secretary, and then? Treasurer?",
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"content": "\n He could be also vice president or temple... Well, there has to be a second charge, another person in charge.",
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"content": "\n That you select, who should be vice president.",
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"content": "\n Temple commander.",
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"content": "\n No. Because you are president, you can select out of all the workers...",
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"content": "\n Not many.",
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"content": "\n ...who will be nicely representing you. That's your trust.",
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"content": "\n There will be more workers. More will come. There are more people coming all the time, aren't they?\n Well, if they'll stay on a permanent basis.\n Why not? It's such a nice place.\n Yeah, but I mean all this time we only... We don't have... Not many on a permanent basis.\n You won't be leaving until September. You won't be leaving until September?\n Well, I don't know. I may. [break]",
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"content": "\n ...Kali-yuga, everything should be managed by society. In Bhāgavata also. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Oh, democracy. In Kali-yuga, democracy.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Society. Body.",
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"content": "\n This is not best. This is not best. You mention that in the books, that this is not very good.",
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"content": "\n This is not very good in this sense... But at that time one man was so advanced, his order was perfect. Actually these kings like Mahārāja Parīkṣit and others, they were consulting learned brāhmaṇas, not that they were actually autocrat. No. They used to consult how the government should be conducted.",
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"content": "\n They had a council of brāhmaṇas.",
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"content": "\n Yes, council of brāhmaṇas. Yes. The brāhmaṇas, they are not politicians, but they would give from śāstra direction, \"You are a king. You do like this.\"",
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"content": "\n There were instances when the king wouldn't follow the brāhmaṇas, so they were thrown out, weren't they?",
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"content": "\n Yes. There were such instances also. Just like Prthu Mahārāja. His father was dethroned. I think same thing was in England also, the knights. If they liked, they dethroned the king.",
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"content": "\n Not exactly the knights. They were more...",
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"content": "\n Noblemen. Yes. The knights are different?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Knights were fighting men.\n They're warriors. Knights were like kṣatriya.",
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"content": "\n Oh. Oh. And noblemen?",
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"content": "\n They were the lords. They were...\n There were no brāhmaṇas, though. [laughs]\n There were bishops.\n Not exactly brāhmaṇas. They were proprietors of large tracts of land, and they were responsible for giving protection to a certain number of people under them.",
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"content": "\n Aristocrats. The same system the Britishers introduced in India also. They were called zamindari. [break] That is sannyāsī's business.",
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"content": "\n I see somebody's going to get stuck with a lot of traveling tickets.",
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"content": "\n That Kṛṣṇa will provide. That doesn't matter. You see?",
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"content": "\n So I want to make certain that this is your...",
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"content": "\n Sometimes I think that \"I came here with no money, and now I am spending so much money in traveling.\" [laughter] Aeroplanes. As soon as I get on aeroplane, immediately two hundred dollars. And not only I am; my assistant also. So Kṛṣṇa will provide. That doesn't matter.",
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"content": "\n This is the way, I mean, you want it. I don't quite understand...",
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"content": "\n Yes. I think... No... You see, if we actually serious about developing this place, then we must do propaganda work outside also. Not only inside management, but outside also, we should draw the sympathy of the people. Don't you think it is necessary?",
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"content": "\n It's necessary.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n But my question was that I won't get any cooperation from people if they think that my being in charge here is a concession. You see? I won't get any cooperation from anyone.",
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"content": "\n No, no, no. It is not concession; it's necessary. One man must be in charge of this place. So you don't think like that. Everyone will cooperate. Why not? It is Kṛṣṇa's. Nobody is actually the in-charge. Kṛṣṇa is in charge. We are simply assisting Kṛṣṇa. In that spirit we shall work.",
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"content": "\n Well, it's almost impossible to be in charge.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Kṛṣṇa is in charge. What do you think, Śyāma dāsī?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Kṛṣṇa is in charge.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Kṛṣṇa is in charge. Everyone should think that \"I am acting to satisfy Kṛṣṇa.\" That's it. And you..., immediately you make that literature for outside propaganda, the aims and objects of what we want to do, and the plan, entire plan, where we want to... So long I am here, at least you make a plan, and I give you instructions where to construct which temple, the design of the temple, guesthouse. In this way we make a plan. Have you got an entire plan of this land?",
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"content": "\n No. But I can get one.",
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"content": "\n You get it. Then I give you direction and make it nicely, and you print it, nice paper. We have to make propaganda.",
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"content": "\n Well, in order to develop the place properly, we're going to need people who are dedicating themselves, not just fly-by-night, people who come and stay for a week and then go.",
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"content": "\n Yes, they will come.",
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"content": "\n But we're going to need people who stay here permanently.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Some people will... At least fifty men should live here permanently. That I shall arrange.",
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"content": "\n Fifty.",
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"content": "\n Fifty at least. Otherwise this big property, how it can be managed? At least fifty men. At least. It may go to two hundred.",
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"content": "\n On this property?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Haribol.",
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"content": "\n This whole property. We have to manage so many temples.",
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"content": "\n The conservation people estimate that this land will support eighteen people.\n Well, that's materialists.\n Thirty people, I think.\n That's a materialistic calculation.\n So if you want one cow for every person, it would only support eighteen cows.",
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"content": "\n Eighteen cows? The whole property?",
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"content": "\n If you want them to be self-sufficient, then you have to grow grain for them for the winter.",
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"content": "\n All right. Let eighteen people first of all. Then we shall share, eighteen people. You see?",
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"content": "\n One cow per person? We're all going to end up with the gout.",
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"content": "\n No. They don't calculate one cow, one person. They calculate only cow. And that does not mean eighteen persons will only remain.",
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"content": "\n I think a cow can do four or five people nicely.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Why not? No... I calculated, one cow per one person means the milk products he can sell, he can get other necessities of life in that way. Yes. And otherwise, one cow's milk, it can be shared by ten people at least.",
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"content": "\n So eighteen cows, that's 180 people. I mean, could support that many people on the farm.",
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"content": "\n Not support.",
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"content": "\n Give them milk.\n Oh, give them milk.",
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"content": "\n Milk, yes. Milk products.",
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"content": "\n I think you could keep fifty cows on this property if you bought your grain and hay from outside.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That we have to do. We cannot get everything. If we construct temple, we will require so many things. It is not possible to be self-sufficient within this land. We have to get so many things outside. That means we have to get money from outside. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Can we put requests in the next news, next New Vrindaban newsletter, for people who..., devotees who are interested that they should come?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Because many people don't know that they can come, that there's any facility or that they are wanted here.\n Well, there is no facility actually.",
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"content": "\n Now first of all...",
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"content": "\n The barn.",
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"content": "\n ...repair that barn immediately so you can... At least ten people can live there.",
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"content": "\n If there were people here, then facilities could be built. But if there are no people...",
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"content": "\n You'll get everything, men and money both.",
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"content": "\n Have you any plans yet to go to England? Is anything definite?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That plan is pending. But I have just now received letter from Mukunda that they are negotiating three houses. Out of that, one they must get. And if they invite me, then I shall go. That is already settled. But I don't wish to go unless they have got their own house. I have waited so long, so I don't wish to go as a third person. I must go... Just like I have come here definite, New Vrindaban; similarly, when they get nice temple, I go and open it.",
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"content": "\n Then it may be some time yet.",
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"content": "\n [chuckles] And that Mātājī, she has taken land. I don't like that idea. Some Hindus are supporting. I don't want a Hindu temple. Our constitution is different. We want everyone. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is for everyone. It is not a Hindu propaganda. People may not misunderstand. And actually, till now in our Society there is not a single other Hindu than me. [laughter] Is that not? Is there any Hindu?",
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"content": "\n Sarvesvar?",
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"content": "\n Sarvesvar, he is not living in the temple.",
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"content": "\n Gopāla Kṛṣṇa in Montreal.",
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"content": "\n Gopāla Kṛṣṇa, yes. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Gopāla Kṛṣṇa? Where is he?",
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"content": "\n He is in Montreal.",
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"content": "\n And Malvani. Malvani, the old man.",
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"content": "\n Malvani, he is not disciple.",
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"content": "\n He's living in the house.",
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"content": "\n Yes. He is living, and he is doing service. He is almost disciple. Yes. He came to Buffalo and Boston. But I don't think he can follow the four principles. He is meat-eater, because his family eats meat.",
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"content": "\n I've never been able to figure that out, Prabhupāda.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n The Hindus, they think it is such a tremendous thing to give up meat-eating, and here we have been raised with meat-eating, and we have no problem whatever. To us it is nothing to give up...",
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"content": "\n No. There is no problem for Vaiṣṇava here in India [America]. They are not trained. They are simply... Just like there are so many Christians, practically they are not following. Similarly, these Hindus at the present moment, they are in name. Either Hindus, Muslim, or..., they are in name only.",
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"content": "\n There's no real substance.",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n When one starts tasting the real substance, then there is no problem giving up any of the...",
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"content": "\n Yes. When he gives importance to Kṛṣṇa, he can sacrifice everything for Kṛṣṇa. That is another state. That is not ordinary stage. That is transcendental state. Yes.",
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"content": "\n You mentioned with the payments...",
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"content": "\n Caitanya Mahāprabhu has said that veda mukha mane..., veda viruddha kārya kare, veda mukhe mane [Cc. Madhya 19.146]\n[“Among human beings, those who are followers of the Vedic principles are considered civilized. Among these, almost half simply give lip service while committing all kinds of sinful activities against these principles. Such people do not care for the regulative principles.]\n\"They do everything against Vedas, but they say that 'We are following. We are followers of the Vedic religion.' \" What is that?",
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"content": "\n You said that with the payments, that the Society can take up some of these? How would that be managed, and when would it be put into effect? Because there is a payment this August for five hundred dollars.",
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"content": "\n So, we'll have to manage. You are making that document transferred to the Society?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n So give that, and we shall manage.",
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"content": "\n It's twenty after six now. Shall we have kīrtanas?",
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"content": "\n All right. All right. Let us... [end]",
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"content": "\nPrabhupāda: [\njaya rādhā-mādhava] [breaks] [prema dhvani] [devotees offer obeisances]",
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"content": "\nOṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. [Prabhupāda and devotees repeat] [leads chanting of verse, etc.]\nyaḥ svānubhāvam akhila-śruti-sāram ekam\nadhyātma-dīpam atititīrṣatāṁ tamo 'ndham\nsaṁsāriṇāṁ karuṇayāha purāṇa-guhyaṁ\ntaṁ vyāsa-sūnum upayāmi guruṁ munīnām\n[SB 1.2.3]",
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"content": "\n\nyaḥ svānubhāvam akhila-śruti-sāram ekam\nadhyātma-dīpam atititīrṣatāṁ tamo 'ndham\nsaṁsāriṇāṁ karuṇayāha purāṇa-guhyaṁ\ntaṁ vyāsa-sūnum upayāmi guruṁ munīnām\n[SB 1.2.3]\nSo, yaḥ svānubhāvam akhila-śruti-sāram ekam. Akhila means entire.\n[aside:] Hmm. Read the word meaning.",
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"content": "\n yaḥ—he who; sva-anubhāvam—self-assimilated (experienced); akhila—all around; śruti—Vedas; sāram—cream; ekam—the only one; adhyātma—transcendental; dīpam—torchlight; atititīrṣatām—desiring to overcome; tamaḥ andham—deeply dark material existence; saṁsāriṇām—of the materialistic men; karuṇayā—out of causeless mercy; āha—said; purāṇa—supplementary to the Vedas; guhyam—very confidential; tam—unto him; vyāsa-sūnum—the son of Vyāsadeva; upayāmi—let me offer my obeisances; gurum—spiritual master; munīnām—of the great sages.\nTranslation: \"Let me offer my respectful obeisances unto him [Śuka], the spiritual master of all sages, the son of Vyāsadeva, who, out of his great compassion for those gross materialists who struggle to cross over the darkest regions of material existence, spoke this Purāṇa, supplement to the Vedas, the cream of Vedic knowledge, after having personally assimilated it by experience.\"",
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"content": "\n So these are the qualification of spiritual master. What is that? Svānubhāvam, \"must assimilate personally.\" Svānubhāvam akhila-śruti-sāram. Śruti. The Vedas are called śruti, absolute knowledge. It has to be learned by hearing, not by speculation. Śruti. Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet śrotriyam [MU 1.2.12]. From śruti, the śrotriya comes.\nSo he's offering respect to Śukadeva Gosvāmī because he has assimilated the whole Vedic knowledge. Śruti-sāra. What is that sāra? Sāra means essence. What is the ultimate goal of knowledge, essence of knowledge? This is also explained in Bhagavad-gītā: vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ [Bg. 15.15]. The real purpose of Vedic knowledge is to search out where is Kṛṣṇa.\nSo Śukadeva Gosvāmī assimilated the Vedic knowledge, and he was after Kṛṣṇa. Although he was liberated soul, still, he was after Kṛṣṇa. To become liberated is not the final stage. To... Liberated means one who understands that he is not this material body. He is liberated. But that much knowledge is not sufficient. One must act according to that. Just like one is cured of the feverish condition.\nOne was suffering some fever; now there is no fever. That's nice. But that is called convalescent stage. In the convalescent stage, if we do not take care nicely, again the fever may be relapse. That is marginal stage. In this stage, and diseased condition stage, and between them there is marginal stage. So we cannot stay on the marginal stage. We must come this side or that side.\nSo even if we are liberated, if we are not engaged in the activities of liberation, then we are to be considered on the marginal stage. And marginal stage means we may again fall down in this material condition. Āruhya kṛcchreṇa paraṁ padaṁ tataḥ patanty adho 'nādṛta-yuṣmad-aṅghrayaḥ [SB 10.2.32]. \nĀruhya kṛcchreṇa. Kṛcchreṇa means with great difficulty. The philosophers, they try to understand the Absolute Truth by mental speculation. But simply by mental speculation you cannot stay in that understanding. Or, in other words, by theoretical knowledge you cannot escape. It must be practiced. Practiced.\nSo in our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement we are putting the candidates into practice. Without practice, simply knowledge is no good. That is... Simply foolishly to become puffed up that \"I am now liberated. I have got this knowledge; I am now liberated,\" no. That is not liberation. That is explained in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam elsewhere. Ye 'nye 'ravindākṣa vimukta-māninaḥ [SB 10.2.32]. Vimukta-māninaḥ. They're thinking that they have become liberated.\nJust like the Māyāvāda sannyāsīs, they address amongst themselves as \"Nārāyaṇa,\" namo nārāyaṇa. That means everyone has become Nārāyaṇa. The modern increase of incarnation of God means this Māyāvāda philosophy. Because in the Māyāvāda philosophy everyone thinks that he is God, Nārāyaṇa. \"I have become Nārāyaṇa.\" Brahma-bhūta [Bg. 18.54]. \"Now I have become Nārāyaṇa.\" No. You cannot become Nārāyaṇa. You can become Nārāyaṇa's dāsa, servant. That is your healthy state.\nSo if after liberation... Liberation means sufficient knowledge to understand that one is not this body. That is called liberation. So after liberation there is activity. That they do not know. They think after liberation there is no other activity. Some of them say that when the water pot is full, there is no more sound; it is solid. But our philosophy is that when one is liberated, his actual life begins. What is that actual life? The actual life is to be engaged in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. That is actual life.\nTherefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said,\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg. 18.54]\nAfter being brahma-bhūtaḥ, not simply by knowing ahaṁ brahmāsmi. No. One must realize, assimilate, how he is Brahman. Brahman means the same thing as the Absolute Truth. So we, all living entities, being part and parcel of the Supreme Brahman, Kṛṣṇa, certainly we are Brahman. There is no doubt about it. But if one stops activities of Brahman realization, then he falls down.\nThe Brahman activities are this devotional service. People may see that \"These Kṛṣṇa conscious people, they are also working, they are also eating, they are also sleeping, they are earning money. We are earning money in this way; they are earning in another way.\" So they may see the similarity of action. Karma and bhakti to the fools appear to be the same. No. It is not the same.\nHere is realization that everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa, whereas in the karma platform, the realization is that \"Everything belongs to me. It is my house, my money, my children, my country, my society, my property.\" \"My\" and \"I.\" \"I am the monarch of all I survey, and I am the proprietor of everything.\" So this misconception is not there in the bhakti. In the bhakti school, everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa. We don't take anything as our own. That is called Vaiṣṇava philosophy. Assimilate. Anubhāva.\nSo it is stated here, yaḥ svānubhāvam. Svānubhāvam. Svānubhāvam means personally convinced. Anubhāvam. God can be realized at the present stage by anubhāva. We cannot see God now, but anubhāva, appreciating or understanding the nature of God and seeing God, there is no difference. Absolute.\nSo our business is at the present moment to feel the presence of the Lord in every action. To... Presence... The presence of the Lord—that is wanted. So in someday, if you continue in that Kṛṣṇa consciousness, presence of Lord in everything, then it will be possible some day to see Kṛṣṇa eye to eye, just like we are seeing.\nWe are seeing Kṛṣṇa: here is Kṛṣṇa. But still, because we are conditioned souls, sometimes we think that \"This is not actual Kṛṣṇa; this is a statue of Kṛṣṇa.\" But that is not the fact. Fact is Kṛṣṇa is one. Kṛṣṇa is absolute, advaya-jñāna. He is identified to everything. What is everything? Everything means manifestation of His energy.\nSo energy is not different from the energetic. Śakti-śaktimatayor abhedam. There is no difference. Just like the sun and the sunshine, or heat of the sun. Heat of the sun and the sunshine, they appear to be different from the sun, but actually it is not, because they are simultaneous.\nWherever there is sun, there is heat and light. Or wherever there is heat and light, there is sun. In the morning, when you see that it is now clear, there is no more darkness, immediately you understand that there is sunrise. So this svānubhāva, when there is no darkness in your heart... Svānubhāva. What is Kṛṣṇa, when you understand fully within your heart, at that time your actual liberation is attained.\nSo what Śukadeva Gosvāmī did, that after assimilating the whole Vedic literature, he distributed it. That is another instinct. If you really have learned the essence of Vedic knowledge, automatically you'll be inclined to preach it. Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanam. Śravaṇam means to hear, to receive the knowledge. And next, kīrtanam, means to distribute or describe the knowledge. Yaḥ svānubhāvam akhila-śruti-sāram ekam adhyātma-dīpam [SB 1.2.3]. Dīpam means lamp. So this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is just like the lamp in the darkness to see Kṛṣṇa, or God. Adhyātma-dīpam.\nAnd for whom is it meant? Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is not meant for the street boys, or who are accustomed to read so many nonsense literature. They want to waste their time. They have no engagement. They purchase some book, fictitious book, and read it. Not only they; even elderly men, they read it. But this book is different from those books. It is meant for person..., those who are desiring to get out of this world of ignorance. Tamo 'ndham. Gṛha andha-kūpam. Andha. Andha means blind or darkness.\nSo our materialistic way of life is described as gṛha andha-kūpam [SB 7.5.5]. This family life is just like dark well. We are already in the darkness, and another darkness is to fall in the dark well. If one falls down in the dark well, it is very difficult to get out, because he may cry very loudly and people may not hear. These dark well are sometimes there in the paddy field.\nI have seen one dark well. In your country, when I was guest in John Lennon's house in 1969, we saw in the garden there was a dark well. Dark well means a very deep ditch, well, but it is covered with grass. You cannot know that there is a deep well, but while walking, you may fall down within it. And it is already covered with grass, and it is very deep. If you fall down and you try to get out of it, because it is lonely place, nobody is there, nobody may hear you, and you may simply die without any help.\nSo this materialistic way of life, without any knowledge of the outside world or without any knowledge... Outside world means just like we are within this universe. It is covered. The round thing which we see in the sky, that is the covering. Just like a coconut shell: a coconut shell, within and without. Within the coconut shell it is darkness, and without it is light. Similarly, this universe is just like the coconut. We are within.\nAs in within coconut there is water, half water, similarly, within this universe there is half water. On that water, Lord Viṣṇu, Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, is lying. And from His navel, a lotus stem is sprouted. Just imagine within the coconut there is water, and somebody's lying, and there is some stem out of the navel. Exactly this universe is like that. But outside the universe there is light.\nHere, within the universe, because it is covered, light is required—sunlight is required; moonlight is required; electricity is required. But in the spiritual world there is no necessity of light. They're self-effulgent. Therefore, tamo 'ndham saṁsāriṇām, atititīrṣatāṁ tamo 'ndham. Those who are actually serious about going out of this darkness and come to the light... Tamasi mā jyotir gama: \"Don't remain in this darkness. Come to the light.\"\nSo anyone who is very serious... Titīrṣatāṁ tamo 'ndham. Saṁsāriṇām... Adhyātma-dīpam atititīrṣatāṁ tamo 'ndham. Those who are actually serious to go out of this darkness to light, for them this is the lamp. Just like in darkness, if you are helped with a lamp, \"Please come this way. Come this way,\" so you can come out of the darkness. Similarly, atititīrṣatām, one who wants to get liberation from this darkness, for them this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is given by Śukadeva Gosvāmī.\nSaṁsāriṇām... Karuṇayā. This is the business of the saintly person. They are very much compassionate to these materialistic men, saṁsāriṇām. Saṁsārī means they are perpetually rotating, wandering, within this darkness in different forms of life. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says,\nei rūpe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān jīva\nguru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja\n[Cc. Madhya 19.151]\nWe are wandering. The modern education system has no knowledge. They simply know that \"This life is everything. Waste this life by sense gratification, because after death everything is void. Now I have got this body. Body means the senses. So enjoy my senses.\" This is the materialistic way of life. They have no knowledge that there is life after death. We should prepare ourself, what kind of body we shall have next life. Instead of, they are being washed off. Not washed off; carried away by the waves of material nature.\nBhaktivinoda Ṭhākura therefore sings,\n[miche] māyār bośe jāccho bhese'\nEveryone is suffering, māyār bośe. Under the influence of māyā, the illusory energy, they are being carried away by the waves. Waves means the three modes of material nature. And suffering: sometimes being drowned, sometimes up, sometimes relief, sometimes distress. This is going on. So the only way to get out of this anxiety or to stop the perpetual being carried away is to take shelter of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa also says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]: \"You are suffering; you simply surrender unto Me.\"\nSo what Kṛṣṇa says, the Bhāgavata also says the same thing. Bhāgavata begins, paraṁ satyaṁ dhīmahi: \"The Supreme... I offer my respect to the Supreme.\" Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya: \"I offer my respectful obeisances to Lord Vāsudeva.\" Vāsudeva means Kṛṣṇa.\nSo saṁsāriṇāṁ karuṇayāha purāṇa-guhyam. Purāṇa. Purāṇa means... Sometimes the Māyāvādīs, they say these Purāṇas are stories. No. They are not stories. It comes from the Purāṇa. Purāṇa means filling up, supplementary, to complete it. Purāṇas, they are not out of the Vedic literature. Rāmāyaṇa, Mahābhārata, Purāṇa, they are..., Mahā..., yes, they are all belonging to the Vedic literature. Especially Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is called Mahā-Purāṇa. Therefore Mahā-Purāṇa... Why Mahā-Purāṇa? Purāṇa-guhyam. Very confidential Purāṇa.\nThere are sāttvika-purāṇa, rājasika-purāṇa, tāmasika-purāṇa—three kinds of Purāṇas. So the aim is to take the leader on the liberation platform, but according to the quality. In the tāmasika-purāṇa there are recommendation for Goddess Kālī and other. And rājasika-purāṇa there is recommendation for yajña or worshiping the demigods in the heavenly planet—Indra, Candra.\nBut in the sāttvika-purāṇa only about Viṣṇu, Lord Viṣṇu, is recommended to be worshiped. So this is called purāṇa-guhyam, because in this Purāṇa you won't find any recommendation for worshiping any other demigod. Simply satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi [SB 1.1.1]. Only the Absolute. Satyaṁ param. The ultimate Absolute Truth, Kṛṣṇa, oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya.\nSaṁsāriṇāṁ karuṇayāha purāṇa-guhyam. He first of all spoke Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam to..., being compassionate to the people suffering from these material pangs. Taṁ vyāsa-sūnum upayāmi guruṁ munīnām. Guruṁ munīnām: \"He's not only my guru, but he is guru, spiritual master, of great sages and saintly persons.\" Even Vyāsadeva also considered his son greater than himself.\nWhen Śukadeva Gosvāmī appeared in the assembly where many saintly persons were present at the time of Mahārāja Parīkṣit, so at that time all the munis stood up to receive him. All the munis. Even there was Vyāsadeva, he also stood up. Therefore he is guruṁ munīnām: he is spiritual master of all saintly persons.\nRead purport.",
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"content": "\n Yes. First of all, there was only one Veda, Atharva-veda. Then he divided according to the subject matter into four Vedas: Sāma, Yajur, Atharva, Ṛg. Then he explained the Vedas by the Purāṇas, and he compiled Mahābhārata also for same purpose: how one can understand the Vedic literature. Strī-śūdra-dvija-bandhūnāṁ trayī na śruti-gocarā [SB 1.4.25].\nThose who are less intelligent—woman, śūdra and dvija-bandhu... Dvija-bandhu means those who are born in brāhmaṇa family but are not just to the quality. They are called dvija-bandhu. For them this Mahābhārata. And at the end he compiled..., he summarized the whole thing by writing Vedānta-sūtra. Still, he was not happy, and under the direction of his spiritual master, Nārada, he wrote himself the commentary of the Vedānta-sūtra, and that is Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the natural commentary on this cream. Śrīla Śukadeva Gosvāmī was a thoroughly realized master of the Vedānta-sūtra, and consequently he also personally realized the commentary, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. And just to show his boundless mercy upon bewildered materialistic men who want to cross completely over nescience, he recited for the first time this confidential knowledge.\n\"There is no point in arguing that a materialistic man can be happy. No materialistic creature, be he the great Brahmā or an insignificant ant, can be happy. Everyone tries to make a permanent plan for happiness, but everyone is baffled by the laws of material nature. Therefore the materialistic world is called the darkest region of God's creation. Yet the unhappy materialists can get out of it simply by desiring to get out. Unfortunately they are so foolish that they do not want to escape.\"",
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"content": "\n They do not know that there is escape. They think this is all. This is their education. They have no knowledge. Although they are suffering in every step, they are making plan in their own way within this material world. Just like the UNESCO and so many other, all nation attempts are there. They are planning within this. That is described in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam as carvita-carvaṇānām. \nCarvita means chewing the chewed. They see that \"Our previous leaders, they also did like this; it was not successful,\" still they are going on in different way. That is not the way. Actually if you are really anxious to become free from the conditional life, then you have to take to adhyātma-śāstra. You have to take knowledge from spiritual sources.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Therefore they are compared to the camel, who relishes thorny twigs because he likes the taste of the twigs mixed with blood. He does not realize that it is his own blood and that his tongue is being cut by the thorns.\nSimilarly, to the materialist, his own blood is as sweet as honey, and although he is always harassed by his own material creations, he does not wish to escape. Such materialists are called karmīs. Out of hundreds of thousands of karmīs, only a few may feel tired of material engagement and desire to get out of the labyrinth. Such intelligent persons...\"",
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"content": "\n Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 7.19]. After many, many births they come to realize that \"This is not the way of solution. I must take shelter of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\"\nThat's all right. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances] [end]",
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"content": "\n Yogamāyā dāsī.",
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"content": "\n Yogamāyā. Yogamāyā, the internal energy of Kṛṣṇa. You are the servant of internal energy. Come on. What are the rules and regulation?",
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"content": "\n No meat-eating, no illicit sex, no gambling, no intoxication.",
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"content": "\n So you agree?",
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"content": "\n [laughs] Yes.",
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"content": "\n All right. Come on. Next. [japa]",
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"content": "\n Chāyadevī dāsī.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n Chāyadevī. Chāyadevī.",
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"content": "\n Chāyadevī. Chāyadevī. Chāyadevī means material nature. That is also Kṛṣṇa's energy, as acts according to the direction of Kṛṣṇa. Come on. You know the rules and regulation? All right.",
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"content": "\n Kaumadakī.",
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"content": "\n Kaumadakī, \"born of lotus flower.\" Come on. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [japa]",
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"content": "\n Gandharvikā.",
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"content": "\n Gandharvikā. Another name of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī. Come on. You know the rules and regulation?",
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"content": "\n No illicit sex, no intoxication, no meat-eating, no gambling.",
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"content": "\n Charaṇi.",
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"content": "\n Charaṇi, Charaṇi devī. Celestial singers. Come on. Hare Kṛṣṇa. You know the rules and regulation?",
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"content": "\n Yes. No illicit sexual life, no meat-eating, no intoxication, no gambling.",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa. Come on. [japa]",
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"content": "\n Kapindra.",
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"content": "\n Kapindra. Kapindra means Hanumānjī, servant of Lord Rāmacandra. Come on. You know the rules and regulation? That's all right.",
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"content": "\n Virendra.",
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"content": "\n Virendra. Virendra means Arjuna or Kṛṣṇa. Come on. The supreme hero. Virendra. [japa]",
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"content": "\n Surendra.",
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"content": "\n Surendra is also Kṛṣṇa's another name. Sura means gods, demigods, and the chief, the chief is Kṛṣṇa. Come on. [japa]",
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"content": "\n Viṣṇugadā.",
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"content": "\n Viṣṇu...?",
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"content": "\n Viṣṇugadā.",
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"content": "\n Viṣṇugadā. You know Viṣṇu has got the club? Śaṅkha cakra gadā padma. Gadā, the club. So you are that. [laughter] You have to punish all the demons.",
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"content": "\n Mahendra.",
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"content": "\n Mahendra. Mahā-indra. Mahā-indra is the heavenly king. Yas tu indra-gopa-mahā indra. There are two kinds of indra. One is a small insect, which is called indra-gopa, and beginning from this indra up to the mahā-indra, the king of heaven, they are all under the reaction of fruitive activities. Yas tv indra... \nYas tv indra-gopa-mahendra-mahā-sva-karma-phala-bhājanam āta... [Bs. 5.54]. Everyone is enjoying and suffering the result of his fruitive activities. Karmāṇi nirdahati kintu ca bhakti-bhājām [Bs. 5.54]. But those who are in devotional service, they have no reaction of their work, because they do not work for themselves. They are for Kṛṣṇa. Therefore there is no reaction.\nSo Mahendra means the greatest king within this universe. So because he is representative of Kṛṣṇa, therefore we accept him as one of the devotee. Hare Kṛṣṇa.\n[aside:] Don't take this. [end]",
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"content": "\n ...ways that God is giving facility to become one of His associates. Common [indistinct]. So nobody is seeking after God. When you will seek after God, God is situated within your heart; He will give you all facility. And so long you want to become God, you will be cheated, because you are trying to cheat yourself. How you can become God? First thing is that you are trying to become God, then how you became a dog? God cannot become a dog. God is always God.\nThe Māyāvādī philosopher says that \"I am God, but I am, by māyā, I am thinking I am not God. So by meditation I shall become God.\" But that means he is under the punishment of māyā. So God has become under the influence of māyā. How is it that? God is great, and if He is under the influence of māyā, then māyā becomes great. How God becomes great?\nSo the real idea is, so long we shall continue this hallucination that \"I am God,\" \"There is no God,\" \"Everybody is God,\" so many things like that, there is no question of getting favor of God. Then you do your own business, and try to find yourself whether you are God or something else. As soon as I think that \"I am God,\" that is I am trying to cheat myself. Who will help me? That is going on. Everyone is thinking, \"I am God.\"\nSo what you are thinking? You are trying to become God, or what is? What is your idea? Or you are thinking there is no God?",
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"content": "\n I am thinking that there is one.",
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"content": "\n There is God? You are thinking like that?",
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"content": "\n Yes. I am also..., can see that I was trying to become God.",
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"content": "\n So, that you are trying to become God, that means you are not God. Is it not? How you became not God? [laughter] How you became not God? God is so [indistinct] that there, [indistinct] just like so many think that, there are, it..., he becomes not. That God is great, then how He is great? Then you..., your conclusion should be that \"I am not that God who is great. I am a different God who becomes sometimes not God.\" [laughter] Therefore you are a different God from that God who is great. Is it not?\nThat is a fact. Because you are part and parcel of God, you are minute God; therefore you have the potency of becoming not God. Just like fire and spark of fire. A spark, when it is with the fire it is bright fire, but as soon as it goes out of the fire, it extinguishes. But the big fire never extinguishes. Similarly, you are not that big fire; you are that small spark fire. You have fallen down; therefore you are not God. Now you have to raise yourself again to the fire, you will be again blazing spark.\nSo that is the difference. That is stated in the Vedic literature Brahman. Every living entity is Brahman, but the Supreme Brahman is Kṛṣṇa. He never becomes not God. We see Kṛṣṇa's life, when He was a child on the lap of His mother, He is God. So many demons were killed. He hasn't got to meditate to become God.\nWhile He was playing, He was God, and when He was fighting in the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra, He is God. That is God. Not that sometimes not God, sometimes God. That is not God. God is always God, in any circumstance. That is God. [pause] Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nI am not God. I cannot eat so many things. [laughter]",
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"content": "\nSo distribute prasādam. [everyone chants japa] Very nice [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nHuh? Oh, yes. Why not? Nobody who will please go, please take prasādam.\nDevotee\n: There is a big feast here. Please stay and take prasādam.\n Please, wait few minutes. [end]",
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"content": "\n\n...pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bahyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ\nśrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu\n[Garuḍa Purāṇa]\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\nThe purport of this mantra, namaḥ, namaḥ means \"I surrender,\" or \"I become submissive,\" namaḥ. So one has to become submissive. Apavitraḥ pavitro vā. Apavitraḥ means contaminated. This material world is contamination, infection of the spirit soul. We are suffering... Just like in ordinary diseased condition we suffer on account of infection, similarly the..., one who is intelligent, he should understand that this conditional life is suffering. One should not be foolishly very optimistic, that \"I am very well situated. I am enjoying life.\" This is ignorance. Nobody is enjoying life in this material world; everyone is suffering.\nSaṁsāra-dāvānala-līḍha-loka.\n[The spiritual master is receiving benediction from the ocean of mercy. Just as a cloud pours water on a forest fire to extinguish it, so the spiritual master delivers the materially afflicted world by extinguishing the blazing fire of material existence. I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of such a spiritual master, who is an ocean of auspicious qualities.]\nThis world is just like blazing forest fire; so everyone is suffering, contaminated. This is the sign, symptoms of contamination, that suffering, threefold miseries—ādhyātmika, ādhibhautika, ādhidaivika. But as the animals they suffer, but they do not understand, this is animal life. The animal is being taken to the slaughterhouse, but still he's happy. This is animal life.\nSo when one cannot understand his sufferings of this material contamination, his life is animal life. He knows that he's suffering, but he's trying to cover the suffering by some nonsense means: by forgetfulness, by drinking, by intoxication, by this, by that. He's aware of his suffering, but he wants to cover his suffering in a nonsense way. Just like the rabbit. The rabbit, when he's in face to face of some ferocious animal, the rabbit closes the eyes; he thinks he is safe. Similarly, simply by trying to cover our sufferings by artificial means, that is not solution. That is ignorance.\nThe suffering can be solved by enlightenment of spiritual life, spiritual bliss. That is the way. Ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam. Ānanda means bliss, transcendental bliss. And there is ocean of transcendental bliss. If you want to dip into this ocean, there is chance for you. Ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt [Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12]. \n[The aim of life is to come to the platform of happiness, where there is no distress at all, simply happiness.]\nVedānta-sūtra says that we spirit soul, we are by nature full of bliss. That is our nature, ānandamaya. But we have been contaminated by this material affection. So one has to come out of it. That is the process of self-realization, liberation, whatever you call. The process is to come out of this contamination.\nSo this mantra suggests that either you are contaminated or not contaminated... It is not that... The Māyāvādī philosophers, they say that so long we are contaminated in the māyā, we can adopt any means of self-realization, and after self-realization, when we become liberated, we become one with the Supreme and there is no more any work. This is partially true. Partially true means when actually you realize yourself, then you have no material activities. That is the sign of self-realization.\nThis is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg. 18.54]\n[One who is thus transcendentally situated at once realizes the Supreme Brahman. He never laments nor desires to have anything; he is equally disposed to every living entity. In that state he attains pure devotional service unto Me.]\nSelf-realization, liberation, the sign is that he becomes joyful, prasannātmā, immediately. If you have actually realized yourself, simply by bluffing that \"I am God, I am this, I am...\" No. There are signs. If you are God, then you must be as joyful as God, as Kṛṣṇa. If you are suffering still and you are claiming that you are God, that is nonsense. You needn't become God. You, simply if you become in the light of God, you become joyful.\nJust like from the darkness of night, if you simply come to the sunshine, immediately your position is changed. It does not require that you have to become the sun. Simply by coming to the sunlight your purpose is fulfilled. So the sunlight and the sun is not different; they are one unit. But sunlight is not sun. That is knowledge. If we, if simply by coming you can come into the sunlight, if I think that I have become identical with the sun, that is nonsense.\nSun, you cannot become identical with the sun. It is so powerful, the temperature is so high and great, that you cannot approach even sun. The scientists say even from so many millions of miles away, if a planet or somebody goes near the sun, immediately he will be burned into ashes. So this is false claim that brahma-bhūtaḥ means one becomes God. No. That means that you come to the light of God. That is also nice, to come to the light of God.\nSo brahma-bhūtaḥ... Anyway, if you realize yourself that you are not... That brahma-bhūtaḥ means simply to understand that \"I am not the material body.\" To be convinced firmly with all reasons and argument, firmly conviction, this is called faith. Faith is not flickering. One must be firmly convinced. So then you immediately become joyful. Just like if you are implicated with some undesirable affairs and if you, some way or other, your lawyer advises, \"Oh, you are free from this implication. The law does not bind you,\" just like you feel pleasure, \"Oh, I'm not in this implication?\" \"Yes,\" similarly, as soon as one is convinced that \"I am not this material body,\" then immediately he becomes joyful. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati [Bg. 18.54].\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nAnd what is that joyfulness? There is no lamentation and there is no hankering. If you have hankering, then you are not joyful. If you have lamentation, there is no hankering. If you have hankering, then you are not joyful. If you have lamentation, then you are not joyful. These are the signs. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu.\nAnd if you are actually self-realized soul, in the light of God, then your treatment will be equal to all living entities. Not that \"He is animal,\" \"He is man,\" \"He is black,\" \"He is white,\" \"He's this,\" \"He's Indian,\" \"He's American,\" \"He's Chinese.\" No. Samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu. Everyone is spirit soul, son of God, part and parcel of God. This realization. Prasannātmā.\nHe has no enemy. He becomes enemy-less immediately, because he sees everyone part and parcel of God, everything energy of God, everything belongs to God, everything enjoyable by God, by Kṛṣṇa. In this way he sees in everything Kṛṣṇa, and nothing else. Prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati samaḥ sarveṣu... That is the beginning of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Mad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām. Parām. That is transcendental situation of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo our this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to take one from the material concept of life, material consciousness, to the platform of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then he will be joyful. He will be no more hankering for anything material, neither he'll be sorry for any so-called material loss. And he'll be equal to everyone: universal brotherhood. So they do not know... They simply talk of these high sounds. But here is the process. If you adopt the process, then you come to the platform. It is open for everyone.\nSo this mantra suggests that either you are in the material consciousness or not, apavitraḥ pavitraḥ vā, or in spiritual consciousness. It is not that when you are delivered from the material consciousness and come to the spiritual platform, your service stops to Kṛṣṇa. That is not. Our service is eternal. We are serving here Kṛṣṇa, and after leaving this body, when you go directly to Kṛṣṇa, faced with..., the service is there. The service is the main means and the end. Not that this is simply means, and the end is something else. No. It is so nice, it is means and end, both. We are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa here, and when we go to Kṛṣṇa we shall chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, like that.",
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Here we have got that taste of rasa in a perverted manner. But cinmaya-rasa means it continues. This Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa with the gopīs, they are enjoying, dancing, chanting. That is eternally; that is never stopped. It is not that they become old and there is no more enjoyment or they are separated or somebody..., Kṛṣṇa goes somewhere and the Rādhārāṇī goes to somewhere. No. Everything is eternal. They are enjoying.\nThat is the difference between this rasa and that rasa. This rasa is temporary. Your youthful enjoyment will not exist; it will be finished. Your American life will be finished. Your this life, that life, everything will be finished—and finished forever. Not that you are going to have it again. Therefore this is flashing. It is coming and going. But that life is eternal. That is ānanda-cinmaya.\nĀnanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhis tābhir ya eva nija-rūpatayā kalābhiḥ. This ānanda-cinmaya-rasa is called hladini-śakti, Kṛṣṇa's pleasure potency. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate, na tasya karyaṁ karaṇaṁ ca vidyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8, Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport].\n[The Supreme Lord has multipotencies, which act so perfectly that all consciousness, strength and activity are being directed solely by His will.]\nThese are Vedic versions, that \"The Supreme has nothing to do.\" Just like here if we enjoy in the hotel some dancing, and next morning I'll have to go into the garbage for bringing money for that dancing. I'll work, go underground to dig out garbage. It is not like that, that Kṛṣṇa has to go next morning to garbage. [laughter] You see? It is not that I'll have to acquire money by flattering somebody or working some..., in hell. No.\nĀnanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitā... That is the expansion of His pleasure potency. Kṛṣṇa is Paraṁ Brahman. Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān [Bg. 10.12].\n[Arjuna said: You are the Supreme Brahman, the ultimate, the supreme abode and purifier, the Absolute Truth and the eternal divine person. You are the primal God, transcendental and original, and You are the unborn and all-pervading beauty. All the great sages such as Nārada, Asita, Devala, and Vyāsa proclaim this of You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me.]\nWhen Arjuna understood Kṛṣṇa, he says, confirms, \"My dear Kṛṣṇa, You are Paraṁ Brahman, You are the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\" This is understanding of Gītā. And after reading, I understand that I am God. What is this nonsense? Where do you get this idea? Where it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā? Simply bluffing, all these rascals, scholars and so-called commentators. They're all rascals. They do not know what is Bhagavad-gītā.\nHere is Bhagavad-gītā, understanding Kṛṣṇa, accepting, Arjuna, paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān śāśvataṁ puruṣam [Bg. 10.12]. The Supreme is puruṣam. He is not female. Just like some rascal thinks that He's Kālī, He's Durgā. No. Kālī, Durgā are His potencies. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva. The Supreme has many kinds of potencies. Goddess Kālī is also one of the potency; Durgā is also one of the potency. Not that Durgā is the Absolute Truth. This is nonsense. That is stated in the Brahma-saṁhitā: \nsṛṣṭi-sthiti-pralaya-sādhana-śaktir eka\nchāyeva yasya bhuvanāni bibharti durgā\n[Bs. 5.44]\n[The external potency Māyā who is of the nature of the shadow of the cit potency, is worshiped by all people as Durgā, the creating, preserving and destroying agency of this mundane world. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda in accordance with whose will Durgā conducts herself.]\nDurgā. What is that Durgā? Durgā is the material nature, very powerful. Sṛṣṭi-sthiti-pralaya-sādhana-śaktiḥ. She has got the power of creating, maintaining and dissolving. She is so powerful. You have seen Durgā's picture. She has got ten hands. That's a long story, of course, Durgā, Caṇḍī. These are all described in the Vedic literatures. But she is not the Absolute Personality.\nSṛṣṭi-sthiti-pralaya-sādhana-śaktir eka chāyeva. She is working simply just like shadow. As the shadow moves when the original substance moves, similarly, she is only working under the direction of Kṛṣṇa. That's all. She is the external potency. Similarly, Rādhārāṇī is a pleasure potency, and these gopīs are expansion of Rādhārāṇī, pleasure potency. So they are not ordinary girls, neither Kṛṣṇa is enjoying like us, that in the hotel at dance, and in the morning, the garbage. No. It is not like that. Ānanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhis [Bs. 5.37].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, residing in His own realm, Goloka, with Rādhā, resembling His own spiritual figure, the embodiment of the ecstatic potency possessed of the sixty-four artistic activities, in the company of Her confidantes [sakhīs], embodiments of the extensions of Her bodily form, permeated and vitalized by His ever-blissful spiritual rasa.]\nSo when you enter into the Kṛṣṇa science you get so much volumes of transcendental knowledge, and we are trying to present before you this knowledge in so many ways, by cleansing your heart from this material contamination. And this initiation is the beginning of cleaning the contamination. Therefore this mantra suggests, apavitraḥ pavitraḥ vā: either you be contaminated or not contaminated. When one is not contaminated, he's relishing this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra by associating with Kṛṣṇa.\nJust like Rūpa Gosvāmī, he's also chanting. Caitanya Mahāprabhu is also chanting. But His chanting and my chanting, there is little difference. That chanting is on the transcendental platform, actually relishing with Kṛṣṇa. My chanting... In the beginning there are three stages: offensive stages, liberated stage and relishing stage. So you will be initiated for chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, there will be so many offenses. So we have to offend..., we have to defend ourself from the offenses.\nThere are ten kinds of offenses. You'll get the list. So we shall try to avoid. Then our chanting will be purified. And when the chanting is purified, then immediately you are liberated. And after liberation? Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā [Bg. 18.54]: your life of devotional service actually begins.\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nThen you relish reciprocation of love with Kṛṣṇa. So everything can be attained simply by chanting this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. Everything. The means is the end and the means is the whole. It is not that we accept something and give it up and again come to another stage. No. If you have got conviction, if you have got faith, if you are strenuous, immediately you are in the platform. Apavitraḥ pavitro vā sarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā.\nSo any stage of life, yaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣam, anyone who remembers Puṇḍarīkākṣam, Kṛṣṇa...\n[aside:] Sit like this.\nYes. Puṇḍarīkākṣam. Puṇḍarīka means lotus; akṣam means eyes. Puṇḍarīkākṣam. Yaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ sa bahyābhyantara-śuciḥ: externally, internally, he becomes immediately purified. So keep on chanting, you keep yourself purified, māyā cannot touch you. Māyā's contamination will not touch you. Just like if you take vaccine, the infectious disease will not touch you. Similarly, if you keep yourself vaccinated with Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the māyā has no power to touch you. And if you can keep, then you will be accustomed.\nJust like a child, when he learns walking, he requires little help. He may fall down, but that doesn't matter. He again stands up. Similarly, in the beginning there may be childlike falldown, but if you stick to the position, then one day you'll be able to walk freely, without any hamper. So this mantra, apavitraḥ pavitro vā sarvāvasthām..., sarvāvasthām, any condition of life, you can simply remember Puṇḍarīkākṣam, Kṛṣṇa. As soon as you chant \"Kṛṣṇa,\" you remember everything.\nSo this remembering is the whole thing. If you have got always within your heart Kṛṣṇa by sound or by mental thoughts, by work, some way or other, by reading books, any way, if simply you keep your consciousness in Kṛṣṇa, then your life is successful. That's all. And in the Bhagavad-gītā such person who is keeping always Kṛṣṇa within himself, he's certified as the greatest of all yogīs. Yoginām api sarveṣāṁ, \"Of all the yogīs,\" mad-gatenāntarātmanā, \"simply who is keeping Me within his heart...\"\nyoginām api sarveṣāṁ\nmad-gatenāntarātmanā\nśraddhāvān bhajate yo māṁ\nsa me yuktatamo mataḥ\n[Bg. 6.47]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\n\"He's first-class yogī.\"\nYou don't require to labor and pay somewhere some five dollars, ten dollars, and practice this gymnastic. No. It is not possible. And as soon as you come out, you'll again engage yourself in all nonsense activities. No. The first-class yoga system is to keep yourself always in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then it is always you are pure. No contamination of this material world can touch you, and you are first-class yogī.\nAll right.\n[chants fire sacrifice prayers]\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the Six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nnama om viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya\nbhūtale śrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayitāya kṛpābdhaye\nkṛṣṇa-sambandha-vijñāna-dāyine prabhave namaḥ\nI offer my respectful obeisances to Śrī Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.\nmādhuryojjvala-premāḍhya-śrī-rūpānuga-bhaktida-\nśrī-gaura-karuṇā-śakti-vigrahāya namo 'stu te\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mercy, who delivers devotional service enriched with conjugal love of Śrī Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.\nnamas te gaura-vāṇī-śrī-mūrtaye dīna-tāriṇe\nrūpānuga-viruddhāpasiddhānta-dhvānta-hāriṇe\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Lord Caitanya. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement against the teachings of devotional service enunciated by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.\nnamo gaura-kiśorāya sākṣād-vairāgya-mūrtaye\nvipralambha-rasāmbhodhe pādāmbujāya te namaḥ\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja [the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is renunciation personified. He is always merged in a feeling of separation and intense love of Kṛṣṇa.\nnamo bhaktivinodāya sac-cid-ānanda-nāmine\ngaura-śakti-svarūpāya rūpānuga-varāya te\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Saccidānanda Bhaktivinoda, who is the transcendental energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is a strict follower of the Gosvāmīs, headed by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.\ngaurāvirbhāva-bhūmes tvaṁ nirdeṣṭā saj-jana-priyaḥ\nvaiṣṇava-sārvabhaumaḥ śrī-jagannāthāya te namaḥ\nI offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīla Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who is respected by the entire Vaiṣṇava community and who confirmed the discovery of the place where Lord Caitanya appeared.\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvenebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.\nnamo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te\nkṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ\nO most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmātī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.\npañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ bhakta-rūpa-svarūpakam\nbhaktāvatāraṁ bhaktākhyaṁ namāmi bhakta-śaktikam\nI offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional manifestation, devotional incarnation, pure devotee and devotional energy.\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\nO my dear Kṛṣṇa, O ocean of mercy, O friend of the distressed and the source of creation, O master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devi praṇamāmi hari-priye\nI offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīmātī Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.\njayatāṁ suratau paṅgor mama manda-mater gatī\nmat-sarvasva-padāmbhojau rādhā-madana-mohanau\nGlory to the all-merciful Rādhā and Madana-mohana! I am lame and ill advised, yet They are my directors, and Their lotus feet are everything to me.\ndīvyad-vṛndāraṇya-kalpa-drumādhaḥ\nśrīmad-ratnāgāra-siṁhāsana-sthau\nśrīmad-rādhā-śrīla-govinda-devau\npreṣṭālībhiḥ sevyamānau smarāmi\nIn a temple of jewels in Vṛndāvana, underneath a desire tree, Śrī Śrī Rādhā-Govinda, served by Their most confidential associates, sit upon an effulgent throne. I offer my humble obeisances unto Them.\nśrīmān rāsa-rasārambhī vaṁśī-vaṭa-taṭa-sthitaḥ\nkarṣan veṇu-svanair gopīr gopīnāthaḥ śriye 'stu naḥ\nŚrī Śrīla Gopīnātha, who originated the transcendental mellow of the rāsa dance, stands on the shore in Vaṁṣīvaṭa and attracts the attention of the cowherd damsels with the sound of His celebrated flute. May they all confer upon us their benediction.\nHare, Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Hare, Hare\nHare, Rāma, Hare, Rāma, Rāma, Rāma, Hare, Hare\nO Śrīmāti Rādhārāṇī (the divine energy of the Lord Kṛṣṇa), O all-attractive reservoir of pleasure, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, please engage me in Your loving devotional service.\nChant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [japa] [end]",
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"content": "\n Jamadāgni.",
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"content": "\n Jamadāgni.",
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"content": "\n Jamadāgni.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Jamadāgni was a great sage. That's all. Father of Paraśurāma. [japa]\nYou know the rules and regulation? Hmm. What are those? Rules? What are the rules?",
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"content": "\n No meat-eating, no illicit sex, no intoxication...",
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"content": "\n What is his name?",
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"content": "\n Brahma-vita.",
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"content": "\n Brahma-vita. Brahma-vita, \"whose profession is to realize Brahman.\" [indistinct] That's all right. [japa] Hmm.",
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"content": "\n Pāyasvinī.",
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"content": "\n Pāyasvinī dāsa [sic]. Pāyasvinī means the surabhī cow, who delivers milk as much as you like. [devotees laugh] Surabhīr abhipālayantam. Cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-lakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam [Bs. 5.29]. Come on. [japa] Hmm.",
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"content": "\n Bhārgava.",
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"content": "\n Bhārgava. Bhārgava means the descendant of Bṛghu. Bṛghu is one of the great sages, seven sages, in..., rotating around the polestar, seven sages. And Bṛghu Muni is one of them. Bhārgava. In India there is still a brāhmaṇa's family they are called Bhārgava. Come on, next.",
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"content": "\n Keith Miller? Sumahat.",
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"content": "\n Sumahat. \"Great personality.\" Come on. You know the rules and regulation?\nSumahat\n: \nNo gambling, no illicit sex, no intoxication, no meat-eating.\n Thank you.",
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"content": "\n Ricardo. Haihaya.",
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"content": "\n Haihaya, a great saintly king. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Come on. [japa]",
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"content": "\nThis is for you to drink...",
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"content": "\nWhat is this? Goblet? What is this?",
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"content": "\nIt's [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nOh! Thank you. Come on. What are the rules? The rules, prohibitive rules? Eh?",
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"content": "\n [prompting] The rules. What are the rules? The four regulative...",
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"content": "\n You do not know? Oh, [indistinct]. Tell her. Tell her.",
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"content": "\n [prompting] No meat-eating, no intoxication...\n[woman devotee repeats faintly]",
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"content": "\n Yes. [laughing] Repeat again. Repeat. Yes. What are the rules, you repeat.",
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"content": "\n No illicit sex, no meat-eating, no gambling, and... Intoxication.",
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"content": "\n No intoxication.",
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"content": "\n Narmadā.",
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"content": "\n All right.",
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"content": "\n Narmadā.",
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"content": "\n Narmadā. Narmadā is a sacred river in India, like Ganges. What you have got here? Yes. Come on, next. Narmadā, Godāverī, Kāverī, Gaṅgā, Yamunā. All sacred rivers.",
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"content": "\n [offers obeisances and praṇāma mantras]\n Vaijayantī.",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n Vaijayantī.",
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"content": "\n Vaijayantī. Vaijayantī is one who becomes victorious everywhere. Come on.",
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"content": "\n Urvasī.",
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"content": "\n Urvasī. Urvasī is the beautiful society girl in the heaven. [laughter] Come on. Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Gosita.",
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"content": "\n\n...sthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale\nsvayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ dadāti sva-padāntikam\n[\"When will Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet?\"]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[\"O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.\"]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devi praṇamāmi hari-priye\n[\"I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.\"]\nvāñchā-kalpa-tarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\n[\"I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone. They are oceans of mercy and are the purifiers of the fallen souls.\"]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[\"My dear Lord, and the spiritual energy of the Lord, kindly engage me in Your service. I am now embarrassed with this material service. Please engage me in Your service.\"]\nSo Parīkṣit Mahārāja inquired from Sūta Gosvāmī..., Śukadeva Gosvāmī, how the people in general, rotting in hellish life, could be saved. This is the desire of a Vaiṣṇava. Others, they do not care whether one is suffering or enjoying. But a Vaiṣṇava, a devotee of the Lord, he always thinks of the fallen condition of general people. Just like in Christian philosophy they believe that Lord Jesus Christ suffered to be crucified by assimilating all the sinful activities of the people. Yes. A devotee of Lord thinks like that.\nSimilar devotee was Vāsudeva Datta, Lord Caitanya's... He requested the Lord that \"You have come. Kindly deliver all these people now present on this earth, and take them to Vaikuṇṭha. And if You think that they are so sinful that they cannot be delivered, then please transfer all their sins unto me. I shall suffer. You take them.\" This is Vaiṣṇava: \"So for all their sins I shall suffer. You take them.\"\nThis philosophy is also expressed in Bible, Lord Jesus Christ, that he agreed to suffer himself for the sins of the all people. But that does not mean that Jesus Christ or Vāsudeva Datta should make a contract for ourself, and we shall go on committing sins. This is most heinous proposal. A Vaiṣṇava and a devotee suffers for the all humanity, human race.\nBut that does not mean that human race or the particular follower should take advantage of this facility and go on committing sins. That is not a good proposal. They should take rather seriously, that \"Lord Jesus Christ or Vāsudeva Datta who has suffered for us so much, we shall stop committing sins now.\" That is sane proposal. Otherwise, if I think, \"Well, there is Vāsudeva Datta and Lord Jesus Christ. He will suffer for us and let us go on merry-making. That's all...\" A most heinous life.\nAnyway, everyone is responsible for his sinful activities. That's a fact. Therefore Śukadeva Gosvāmī recommends that tasmāt, \"Therefore,\" puraiva āśu iha pāpa-niṣkṛtau, \"so long you are in this body, in order to get yourself free from all the reaction of sinful activities, you should atone.\" Yateta mṛtyor avipadyata..., avipadyatātmanā, doṣasya dṛṣṭvā guru-lāghavaṁ yathā bhiṣak cikitseta rujāṁ nidānavit [SB 6.1.8]. According to the sinful activity, one should accept the prescription and program of atonement exactly like a..., a physician prescribes different type of medicines according to the gravity of the disease.\nThe other day I was explaining, just like the state law is that if you commit a murder, if you kill your fellow man, then you have to atone that sinful activity by being killed, by offering your life. That's a fact. Everyone knows it. You cannot escape. If you have killed one man... Of course, not man; if you kill even an ant, you are responsible for that, what to speak of man.\nBecause that distinction is imperfect, because this is man-made law. Man-made law, they're taking consideration of the man being killed. Another, the killer, must be killed. Why not an animal? The animal also a living entity. The man is also living entity. So if you have law that if a man kills one man he must be killed, why not if a man kills an animal he should be killed also? What is the reason?\nThis is man-made law, defective. But there cannot be defect in God-made laws. God-made laws, if you kill an animal, you are equally punishable as you kill a man. That is God's law. There is no excuse that he..., when you kill a man you are punishable, but when you kill an animal you are not punishable.\nThis is concoction. This is not perfect law. Perfect law... Therefore Lord Jesus Christ prescribes in the Ten Commandments, \"Thou shall not kill.\" That is perfect law. Not that you shall discriminate, that \"I shall not kill man, but I shall kill animals.\" This is cheating one's self. But God laws will not excuse.\nTherefore there are different atonements. According to Vedic law, if one cow dies while he's locked up on the neck... Because the cow is on the shed; somehow or other it dies, and the rope is round the neck, the proprietor of the cow has to make some atonement. Because it is to be supposed that the cow has died on account of being locked up with the rope, there is atonement. Now if you are willingly killing cows and so many animals, so how much we are being responsible?\nTherefore at the present moment there is war, and the human society becomes subjected to be killed in mass massacre—the nature's law. You cannot stop war and go on killing animals. That is not possible. There will be so many accidents for killing. The wholesale kill. When Kṛṣṇa kills, He kills wholesale.\nWhen I kill—one after another. But when Kṛṣṇa kills, they assemble all the killers and kill. Therefore there is atonement in the śāstras. Just like in your Bible also there is atonement, confession, paying some fine. But after performing atonement, why people commits the same sin again? That is to be understood.\nSo Parīkṣit Mahārāja is very intelligent. He's Vaiṣṇava. He therefore inquires from Śukadeva Gosvāmī that,\nrājovāca\ndṛṣṭa-śrutābhyāṁ yat pāpaṁ\njānann apy ātmano 'hitam\nkaroti bhūyo vivaśaḥ\nprāyaścittam atho katham\n[SB 6.1.9]\nA man... Suppose a man... Of course, if..., if he commits murder, he's killed and gone. That's another thing. The..., Śukadeva Gosvāmī's proposal was that tasmāt puraiva āśu iha pāpa-niṣkṛtau yateta mṛtyor avipadyatātmanā: \"Before your death, next death comes, you should perform atonement so that you may not carry the sinful activities to suffer next life.\" If I do not commit..., perform atonement for the commit, for the sinful activities, then nature will not excuse me. You'll have to take the effect of it and suffer in the next life.\nThe law... As I explained the other day, that a murderer should be killed, that is a mercy upon him. The, when the king orders... It is very old law. It is not new law. \"Life for life.\" So when the king awards, or the judge, high-court judge, that \"This man must be hanged,\" the judge is not the enemy of that man, but according to law, in order to save him from further trouble in the next life, this prescription of hanging is there. The..., exactly like that: according to the disease, the prescription of medicine is there. Similarly, according to the gravity of the sinful activity, the atonement is there.\nIf one has killed a man, he should be should be hanged—according to the gravity of his sin. So that is showing mercy upon him. But if he's not killed, then he'll be killed in so many ways. He'll be... Suppose something, some animal, and this man who has killed, he will take another birth and he will slaughter him. There are so many subtle laws. Māṁsa.\nThe word māṁsa, Sanskrit. Mām means \"me,\" and sa means \"he.\" \"As I am eating him just now, he will eat me next life.\" That is called māṁsa. Māṁsa khādati. This is the definition of māṁsa, or flesh. Māṁsa khādati. \"As I am eating, enjoying now, palate, eating some animal, so he'll also eat me next life.\" This is called karma-bandhana. \nKarma-bandhana means being locked up in one's material activities. Yajñārthe karmaṇaḥ anyatra karma-bandhanaḥ [Bg. 3.9]. Yajña, Viṣṇu..., if you act for Kṛṣṇa, beyond this, whatever you act, you'll be under bondage. Just like I'm killing some animal, eating, now enjoying, so it is karma-bandhana. I am being locked up with my action so that I shall become again a cow or goat, and this man, this cow and goat will become man, and he will kill me and eat. You believe or not believe—that's a different thing. But these are the Vedic statement. And practically we are seeing that life for life. Why? Unless there is some meaning, why this punishment is there, \"Life for life\"?\nSo Sūta Go..., Śukadeva Gosvāmī recommends that we should atone immediately, so long this body's there. Otherwise, we'll have to carry the effect and suffer next life. Unfortunately, at the present moment, people are educated in such a way that they do not believe in next life. They are so befooled. The education means to make people befooled.\nHe has no knowledge actually. This is the education. The more you are educated, you don't believe in God, you don't believe in God's law, you don't believe your next life, you don't believe in sinful and pious activities, you become animal. That's all. More or less, you become animal. The modern education is like that, preparing so many animals.\nTherefore, you don't mind if I tell you frankly that in spite of so many education and universities arrangement in your country, so much nice arrangement, you're producing hippies. Because that is no education. If the... A human being does not know what I am... I am this body? If this education is there, then he's no better than an ass. The ass also thinks that \"I am this body.\" The cow also thinks that \"I am this body.\" The dog also thinks that \"I am this body.\" So if a human being thinks like that, cats, dogs and..., then what is the difference?\nYasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke [SB 10.84.13]. The śāstra says one who has accepted this body, which is made of three elements... According to Āyur-veda, this body is made of three elements: kapha, pitta, vāyu—mucus, bile and air. Development. There is great machinery within this body. You are taking food; they are transforming into liquid.\nWhatever you can absorb, that goes to become blood. And what you cannot absorb, that becomes urine. It comes out. Therefore in old age, or those who are diseased, they cannot absorb; they pass more urine. Therefore they become lean and thin, weak. They cannot make blood. So many machinery work is going on.\nAnd when that secretion comes to the heart, it turns into blood. Then the blood is distributed by air. It becomes solidified. It becomes flesh, it becomes muscle, it becomes bone. So many things are going on. But what we know? We say that \"It is my body.\" What do you know about your body? Still he says \"I am God.\" He does not know what is going on within his body, and still he's supposed to be God.\nSo yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke. The..., this bag of stool, urine, blood, bones, if one takes it that intelligence comes out of this stool, urines and blood and bone, then he's a fool. Can you create intelligence by taking stool and urine and bones and blood and mix it in laboratory, make some intelligence? Is it possible? But they're thinking like that: \"I am this body.\"\nTherefore śāstra says,\nyasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke\nsva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ\nyat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile na karhicij\njaneṣv abhijñeṣu sa eva go-kharaḥ\n[SB 10.84.13]\nYasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke. Anyone who has accepted this body as self and the bodily production or bodily relationship—\"Wife, children, family, they are my own men...\" Yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri..., sva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu. Kalatra means wife. Kalatra ādi. Ādi means beginning.\nBecause I am alone. As soon as I get..., accept a wife, immediately there are children, and then grandchildren. They have expanded. So kalatra ādi. Strī. Strī means \"which expands.\" So kalatrādiṣu, beginning from wife and other expansion, that is mine.\nYasyātma-buddhiḥ..., sva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ. Bhauma means the land, the land of birth. That is ijya-dhīḥ, worshipable. People are giving life for the land wherein he's born. But he does not know that he's neither this land, nor this body, nor this wife, nor these children, nor this country, nor this society; he's spirit soul, ahaṁ brahmāsmi. This is realization of knowledge. When he comes to this knowledge, then he becomes happy.\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg. 18.54]\nWhen one comes to understand that \"I am spirit soul,\" ahaṁ brahma, \"I am not this matter,\" so immediately he becomes jolly, prasannātmā. And what is the sign of jolliness? Na śocati na kāṅkṣati: he has no more any hankering, no more any lamentation. Within this world, everyone is subjected to these categories of life. We are lamenting for the loss and we are hankering for some gain. But real gain is to understand oneself, what I am.\nSo, so long we have got this bodily concept of life, so long we have to abide by the laws of material nature, by the laws of the state or any other laws. Because this body is conditional. Every one of us who are sitting in this meeting has got a different body, because everyone is under different condition—varieties, varieties of condition.\nTherefore I'm responsible. If I do not atone for the sinful activities I'm doing within this body, then I have to suffer in my next body, because I'll get another body according to my karma. Yaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran loke tyajaty ante kalevaram [Bg. 8.6]. Kalevaram means this body. That is the nature's law.\nSo Śukadeva Gosvāmī recommended that \"Considering the gravity of your sinful life, you should undergo a type of atonement.\" They are prescribed in the śāstras. You have to do that. Otherwise, there is no rescue. Exactly like that, if you have committed murder, if you become killed here, then your sinful activities is neutralized.\nOtherwise, you'll have to suffer next life. So when a king orders a subject, or the state orders that \"This man should be hanged,\" it is not cruelty to him; it is mercy. They do not know. It is a mercy. Otherwise why... Every state, anywhere you go, the law is there, \"Life for life.\" So atonement must be done.\nBut King Parīkṣit Mahārāja, he's very intelligent. He says, \"All right, sir, there is atonement. By performing some type of atonement I become free from the sinful activities.\" Suppose a man, he has committed murder and he's killed. So the sinful reaction of his committing a murder is neutralized. But it does not mean that next time, next life, he'll not again kill another. That is not guaranteed. Exactly like that: you are diseased, the physician gives you medicine, you are cured. But it is not guarantee that you'll not be attacked again by that type of disease. That is not guarantee.\nOne man is suffering from venereal disease, and it is painful. Doctor gives some painful injection. Some way or other, he's cured, but again he's attacked with venereal disease, again comes to the doctor. There are many instances like that. A man has committed theft, and he was punished. He was taken to the government custody and he was punished for six months or one year, and comes back.\nAgain he commits the theft. Why? This is intelligent question. So..., so Parīkṣit Mahārāja inquires from the..., that \"Atonement, that's all right. You are prescribing atonement. That is all right, to counteract the sinful activities. But why a man commits again the same sinful activity? What is the remedy for that?\"\nThis is intelligent question. He says, dṛṣṭvā, dṛṣṭa-śrutābhyāṁ yat pāpam [SB 6.1.9]. Dṛṣṭa means just like one man sees this man has committed murder and he's hanged. Everyone sees. And in the law book it is said that if a man commits murder, he'll be hanged. So śruta means we have heard it from authoritative sources; law book is authoritative source. Just like śāstra. \nŚāstra and law book is the same. Śāstra means that which controls. Śās-dhātu. Śastra, śāstra, śāsana, śiṣya comes from the same root. Śiṣya. Śiṣya also comes from the same root. Śiṣya means one agrees voluntarily to be governed by the spiritual master. He's called śiṣya. And śāsana, the government. So śāstra means that regulates our daily activities.\nSo here it is called... Śāstra is learned by hearing, not by licking, not by seeing. By hearing. Just like here is a śāstra, bhagavat-śāstra. You cannot learn it by seeing or by touching it or... You have to learn it by hearing. Śās... This is called śruta. Therefore Vedas are called Śrutis. Śruti. Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet..., śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham [MU1.2.12]. So śruta, śruta means hearing from authoritative sources, either you take a scripture or law book.\nSo one knows that in every śāstra, every scripture, every law book, man is warned, \"Don't commit theft; you'll be punished. Don't tell lie; you'll be punished. Don't do this; you'll be punished. Don't kill. Thou shall not kill; otherwise, you'll be punished.\" But nobody is caring. Why? What is the remedy for that? Everything is there. Dṛṣṭa, practical experience, and śruta,... \nŚruta means heard also from authoritative sources. So he says, dṛṣṭa-śrutābhyāṁ yat pāpam. Everyone knows it, jānan, everyone knows that this is pāpa, this is sinful activity. Everyone knows. Nobody can say that \"I do not know what is sinful activities.\" Who does not know that stealing is sinful, committing murder is sinful, or so many other things?\nSo Parīkṣit Mahārāja inquires that dṛṣṭa-śrutābhyāṁ yat pāpaṁ jānann apy ātmano 'hitam [SB 6.1.9]. \"And he knows that 'It is not good for me; if I steal I'll be arrested, I'll be punished, I'll be put into jail. That is not a very comfortable life.' He knows that.\" Karoti bhūyo vivaśaḥ. \"But he commits again and again, vivaśaḥ, as if forced by something. Forced by something.\" Karoti bhūyo vivaśaḥ prāyaścittam atho katham [SB 6.1.9].\nSo Parīkṣit Mahārāja immediately says, \"What is the value of this atonement? If he is not corrected, checked that he should not commit such sin any more, then what is the value of prāyaścitta, katham? 'I have committed some sin. I do some atonement. Again I commit. Again I atone. Again I commit. I confess, and again I do the same thing.' So what is the use of such atonement?\" his question is, another question.\nkvacin nivartate 'bhadrāt\nkvacic carati tat punaḥ\nprāyaścittam atho 'pārthaṁ\nmanye kuñjara-śaucavat\n[SB 6.1.10]\nFor the time being, when he's punished, he thinks, \"I shall not commit what mistake I did.\" But as soon as he's out of the danger, he commits again. So kvacin nivartate abhadrāt. Nivartate means he refrains, abhadrāt, from abominable activities. Kvacic carati tat punaḥ. And again sometimes he commits the same thing. Punaḥ. \nTherefore habit is the second nature. It is very difficult. The example that yasya hi yaḥ svabhāvasya tasya sa duratikramaḥ.[?] Svabhāva, one who has his habit, one who is habituated to do something, it is very difficult for him to give it up. The example is given: sva yadi kriyate rāja saḥ kiṁ na so uparhanam.[?]\nYou can keep one dog in a royal position, but as soon as it will see one shoe there, immediately bite—because he's a dog. The doggish quality's there. You may put him on the throne; that's doesn't matter. But the doggish quality you cannot change.\nSimilarly this svabhāva. Svabhāva means the material nature. Material nature. We have acquired so many material nature by association of the three modes of material nature: sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa. So our habits are formed on account of our association with the three different qualities of material nature. But if we can disassociate ourself from the three modes of material nature, then our real nature, means spiritual nature, becomes invoked.\nThat is the process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If you remain Kṛṣṇa conscious, then there is no chance of your associating with the three material modes of nature. That is the secret. Therefore you'll find our students, those who are habituated to so many bad things previously, they are able to stay in a platform where there is no such contamination.\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness is such nice medicine. Unless you come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, your habits, formed by the association with the three modes of material nature, will continue. You cannot check it. They... Therefore, if you want to save yourself from this repetition of different types of birth and death, then you must come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the medicine.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, māṁ ca' vyabhicāreṇa bhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate: \"Anyone who is engaged in My transcendental loving service, bhakti-yoga, the yoga, devotional yoga...\" Māṁ ca 'vyabhicāreṇa bhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate, sa guṇān samatītyaitān... [Bg. 14.26]: \"He can transcend the influence of these all these three qualities.\" Brahma-bhūyāya kalpate. \"Immediately he's situated on the Brahman platform.\"\nSo our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is, without recommending this atonement or that atonement, which will not check him... You can go on, make many experiment of atonement, but the disease of the heart will remain. And you'll commit again sin. But as soon as you come to the Kṛṣṇa platform, then you become free from the contamination. This is the advantage of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If you don't come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then you may be relieved for the time being from the reaction of sinful activities, but you'll again commit.\nSo Parīkṣit Mahārāja says, \"This kind of committing sin and again become relieved by atone..., atonement, repetition, it is just like kuñjara-śaucavat.\" He's giving very nice example. Kvacin nivartate abhadrāt kvacic carati tat punaḥ, prāyaścittam atho 'pārtham [SB 6.1.10]. \"Therefore this atonement, to me, is nothing but waste of time.\"\nHow it is waste of...? Kuñjara-śaucavat. The example, kuñjara means elephant. The elephant cleanses the body very nicely in the water, in the lake or some water, reservoir, but as soon as comes on the shore takes some dust and overthrows the body. Those who have seen, those that have got experience—immediately the whole body becomes dirty.\nImmediately taking... Just like we, human being, we go to the bathroom and cleanse ourself with soap and water, and then we feel comfortable. We do not again take some dirty things and throw over it. But the elephant, animal, does it. These are our examples.\nSo Parīkṣit Mahārāja said that \"You may become cleansed by the atonement process, or you may be relieved from the disease by taking some medicine, but if again you commit, then what is the use of this treatment or use of this atonement?\"\nSo this is the second question of Parīkṣit Mahārāja to Śukadeva Gosvāmī, very important question, that \"How one can ultimately become free from all contamination of these material modes of nature? Otherwise, what is the use of atonement?\" So that is—I've told you in summary—that unless one comes to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, there is no possibility of being freed from this repetition of committing sin and atonement.\nSo..., so Śukadeva Gosvāmī is replying:\nkarmaṇā karma-nirhāro\nna hy ātyantika iṣyate\navidvad-adhikāritvāt\nprāyaścittaṁ vimarśanam\n[SB 6.1.11]\nnāśnataḥ pathyam evānnaṁ\nvyādhayo 'bhibhavanti hi\nevaṁ niyamakṛd rājan\nśanaiḥ kṣemāya kalpate\n[SB 6.1.12]\ntapasā brahmacaryeṇa\nśamena ca damena ca\ntyāgena satya-śaucābhyāṁ\nyamena niyamena vā\n[SB 6.1.13]\nSo we shall discuss this prescription tomorrow again. It is a long discussion. Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances] [break]",
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"content": "\n You come and live with us. That's all. Is it very difficult? Our students, they are living with us. You simply come and live with us—you are free from all karma. Is it difficult? Then do that. We shall give you food, we shall give you shelter, we shall give you nice philosophy. If you want to marry, we shall give you good wife. What you want more? So come and live with us. That's all.\nThat I've already explained: māṁ ca 'vyabhicāreṇa bhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate [Bg. 14.26]. We employ you immediately in the devotional service of Lord, and you become free. Kṛṣṇa says; not that we have concocted this idea. Kṛṣṇa says that \"Anyone who's engaged in My devotional service without any hypocrisy, avyabhicāreṇa, then immediately he's freed. Immediately.\" In another place Kṛṣṇa says,\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja\nahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo\nmokṣayiṣyāmi...\n[Bg. 18.66]\nSo this assurance is there. You believe it and see, practically. You hear and you see practically what is being done. What is the difficulty?\nSo increase the volume of the Society. The whole world will be happy. That's a fact.\n[pause] That's all.",
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"content": "\n\nceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇaṁ\nśreyaḥ-kairava-candrikā-vitaraṇaṁ vidyā-vadhū-jīvanam\nānandāmbudhi-vardhanaṁ prati-padaṁ pūrṇāmṛtāsvādanaṁ\nsarvātma-snapanaṁ paraṁ vijayate śrī-kṛṣṇa-saṅkīrtanam\n[Cc. Antya 20.12]\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nAll glories to the saṅkīrtana movement. Paraṁ vijayate śrī-kṛṣṇa-saṅkīrtanam. Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, five hundred years ago in Navadvīpa, at the age of sixteen years only, a boy of sixteen years, He introduced this movement, saṅkīrtana movement.\nNot that He manufactured some religious system. Just like nowadays there are so many religious system have been manufactured. Actually, religion cannot be manufactured. Dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19].\n[Real religious principles are enacted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Although fully situated in the mode of goodness, even the great ṛṣis who occupy the topmost planets cannot ascertain the real religious principles, nor can the demigods or the leaders of Siddhaloka, to say nothing of the asuras, ordinary human beings, Vidyādharas and Cāraṇas.]\nReligion means the codes of God, the laws of God. That's all. Just like you cannot live without obeying the state laws, similarly, you cannot live without obeying the laws of God. And in the Bhagavad-gītā, the Lord says, yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati [Bg. 4.7]\n[Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself.]\n\"Whenever there is discrepancies in the process of religious..., prosecution of religious activities,\" yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati, abhyutthānam adharmasya, \"and there is predominance of irreligious activities,\" tadātmānaṁ sṛjāmy aham, \"at that time,\" Kṛṣṇa, the Lord, says that \"I appear.\" That is the way.\nThe same principle. Just like as soon as there is disobedience of state laws, there is advent of some particular state officer or the governor or the state man to take step and to set things right. That is the way.\nSo Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He is worshiped by the Gosvāmīns, and there is a verse written by Rūpa Gosvāmī, one of His principal disciple. There were six Gosvāmīns: Rūpa Gosvāmī, Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī, Śrī Jīva Gosvāmī, Gopāla Bhaṭṭa Gosvāmī and Śrī Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī. All of them were Gosvāmīns.\nGosvāmīns means... Go means senses. There are three meanings of go. Go means land; go means cow; go means senses. So gosvāmī... They were gosvāmī means they were master of the senses. Svāmī. Svāmī or gosvāmī, the same category. Gosvāmī is more explained. Svāmī, svāmī means master.\nSo when one becomes master of the senses, gosvāmī, he can make progress in the spiritual life. That is the meaning of svāmī. Svāmī does not mean that he is servant of the senses. Svāmī means master of the senses, gosvāmī. So they were all gosvāmīs, and one of the gosvāmīs, Rūpa Gosvāmī, he was the head. So he compiled one nice verse in respect of honoring Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He says,\nanarpita-carīṁ cirāt karuṇayāvatīrṇaḥ kalau\nsamarpayitum unnatojvala-rasāṁ sva-bhakti-śriyam\nhariḥ puraṭa-sundara-dyuti-kadamba-sandīpitaḥ\nsadā hṛdaya-kandare sphuratu vaḥ śacī-nandana\n[Cc. Ādi 1.4]\n[May the Supreme Lord who is known as the son of Śrīmatī Śacī-devī be transcendentally situated in the innermost chambers of your heart. Resplendent with the radiance of molten gold, He has appeared in the Age of Kali by His causeless mercy to bestow what no incarnation has ever offered before: the most sublime and radiant mellow of devotional service, the mellow of conjugal love.]\nHe is blessing the people in general that \"This incarnation of God, Kṛṣṇa...\" Anarpita-carīṁ cirāt karuṇayāvatīrṇaḥ kalau. Kalau means this age, this Age of Kali, which is very much contaminated, or the age of quarrel and disagreement. This is called Kali, Age of Kali.\nSo Rūpa Gosvāmī says that \"In this Age of Kali, where everything is disagreement and quarrel, You have descended to offer the highest, topmost love of God.\" Samarpayitum unnatojvala-rasām. \"And not only topmost, but very brilliant rasa, transcendental mellow, humor.\"\nAnarpita-carīṁ cirāt karuṇayāvatīrṇaḥ kalau samarpayitum unnatojvala-rasāṁ sva-bhakti-śriyam, hariḥ puraṭa-sundara-dyuti\n[Cc. Ādi 1.4]:\n\"Your complexion is just like golden, luster of gold. So You are so kind. So I bless everyone...\" Gosvāmīs, they can bless because they are master of the senses \"...that this form of the Lord, Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, may always remain dancing in your heart.\"\nAnother place, when Rūpa Gosvāmī first met Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu at Prayāg, Lord Caitanya was dancing on the street, \"Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" At that time also, he offered one prayer, namo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te [Cc. Madhya 19.53]\n[“O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\n\"Oh, You are the most munificent of all incarnation, because You are distributing love of Godhead.\" Kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te. Kṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ: \"You are Kṛṣṇa Himself, because without being Kṛṣṇa, You cannot distribute kṛṣṇa-prema. Love of God, or love of Kṛṣṇa, is not so easy thing, but You are distributing freely to everyone.\"\nSo this saṅkīrtana movement was inaugurated in Bengal, in India, and in Navadvīpa. So in this sense the Bengalis are very fortunate that in their country this movement was inaugurated by Lord Caitanya, and He predicted that... Those who are Bengalis here present, they will understand,\npṛthivīte āche yata nagaradi grāma\nsarvatra pracāra haibe mora nāma\n[CB Antya-khaṇḍa 4.126]\n[“In every town and village of the world, the chanting of My name will be heard.]\nHe predicted that \"As many villages and towns there are all over the world, everywhere this saṅkīrtana movement will be preached.\" That is His future prediction.\nSo by the grace of Lord Caitanya, this movement is already introduced in the Western countries, beginning from New York. Our first movement, the saṅkīrtana movement, was introduced in New York. I came in New York first, and I began to chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra in the Tompkinson Park.\n[aside:] Is that Tompkinson Park or Square?",
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"content": "\n Tompkins Square. So this..., I was chanting there for three hours with a little small mṛdaṅga, and these boys, American boys, they assembled, and gradually they joined. And it is increasing. First of all it was started in New York in a storefront, 26 Second Avenue.\nThen we started our branch in San Francisco, in Los Angeles, in Santa Fe, in Buffalo, then here. We have got now twenty branches, including one in London and one in Hamburg. And in London, the boys—they are all American boys, American boys and girls—they are preaching.\nThey are not sannyāsī, neither they are Vedāntist, neither they are Hindus, neither they are Indian. But they have taken this movement very seriously. Here one lady from London, she has come. She was very much praising about that movement. And in London Times there was an article. They said that \"Kṛṣṇa Chanting Startles London.\"\nSo we have got many followers now. All my disciples till now, at least in this country, they are all Americans and Europeans. They are chanting, dancing. They are issuing paper, Back to Godhead. Now we have published so many books, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, Teachings of Lord Caitanya.\nSo this movement is not like that is a sentimental movement. Don't think that these boys are dancing in some religious sentiment or fanaticism. No. We have background. We have background, highest philosophical and theosophical, whatever you like. Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Caitanya Mahāprabhu, while He was preaching, He went to Benares. So Benares is the seat of Māyāvādī sannyāsīs. The followers of Śaṅkarācārya, they are mostly seen in Benares, Vārāṇasī.\nWhen Caitanya Mahāprabhu was there, He was chanting and dancing. So some of the people, they became very much appreciative of Caitanya Mahāprabhu's dancing and chanting, and there was a big sannyāsī, Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī, leader of many thousands of Māyāvādī sannyāsīs. So somebody went to him and said, \"Oh, from Bengal one young sannyāsī has come. Oh, He is so nicely chanting and dancing.\"\nSo Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī, he was a great Vedāntist. He did not like the idea. He said, \"Oh, He is a pseudo-sannyāsī. He is chanting and dancing. This is not the business of a sannyāsī. This is the... Sannyāsī should always engage himself in the study of philosophy and Vedānta, and He is simply chanting and dancing?\" So he remarked that \"He's a pseudo-sannyāsī. He is not actually sannyāsa.\"\nThen one of the devotees, he did not like the idea, remark of Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī. He came back and informed Lord Caitanya that \"Oh, these people are blackmailing You. I cannot tolerate this. So if something can be done to stop this blackmailing?\" So that's a long history.\nSo one devotee, he arranged the meeting of all the sannyāsīns, and Caitanya Mahāprabhu was also invited, and there was Vedānta philosophical discussion between Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī and Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu. This description and philosophical discussions are given in our Teachings of Lord Caitanya, and it is very nice that Prakāśānanda himself with his, all his disciples, they became Vaiṣṇavas. The idea is... Similarly, Caitanya Mahāprabhu had a great discussion with Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya, the greatest logician of that time. He was also Māyāvādī, impersonalist.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu's movement is not sentimental. People think that this is a sentimental movement. No. We have got very good background. If one wants to understand this saṅkīrtana movement through philosophy and learning and logic, oh, there is ample opportunity. It is not sentimental.\nIt is based on science and based on authority of Vedas. But it is simplified. That is the... That is the beauty of this movement. Either you are great scholars or philosopher, or either you are a child just like this child, everyone can take part, without any difficulty.\nAny system of self-realization, either jñāna process or yoga process or any process, they are also recognized, but they are not possible to be practiced in this age. That is not possible. That is the verdict of the Vedas.\nkṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇuṁ\ntretāyāṁ yajato makhaiḥ\ndvāpare paricaryāyāṁ\nkalau tad dhari-kīrtanāt\n[SB 12.3.52]\n[Whatever result was obtained in Satya-yuga by meditating on Viṣṇu, in Tretā-yuga by performing sacrifices, and in Dvāpara-yuga by serving the Lord's lotus feet can be obtained in Kali-yuga simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra.]\nIn the Satya-yuga it was possible to execute the meditation process. Just like Vālmīki Muni. He meditated for sixty thousands of years to get perfection. So where is your age? Besides that, that process, meditation process, are described in the Bhagavad-gītā. You have to select a secluded place, you have to execute it alone, you have to sit down in such a posture, you have to completely lead a life of celibacy, and so many rules and regulations.\nSo aṣṭāṅga-yoga, meditation, that is not possible. But if you are satisfied by doing some imitation, that is different thing. But if you want right perfection, then you have to execute all the different, I mean to say, stages of yoga practice, aṣṭāṅga-yoga. There are eight divisions: dhyāna, dhāraṇā, āsana, prāṇāyāma... So if it is not possible, then it is waste of time.\nWhat is the ultimate goal of yoga process or meditation? To contact the Supreme, the Supersoul, the Supreme Lord. That is the aim and object of yoga process. Similarly, philosophical research, jñāna process, that is also, the aim is to understand Supreme Brahman, realize Brahman. So they are recognized process undoubtedly, but according to authoritative description, those processes are not practical in this age. Kalau tad dhari-kīrtanāt. Therefore one has to take to this process of hari-kīrtana.\nAnyone can take, without any prequalification. You haven't got to study philosophy or Vedānta. This Vedānta philosophy was very much discussed between Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī... Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī asked first of all Caitanya Mahāprabhu that \"I understand that You were a very good scholar in Your previous life.\" Caitanya Mahāprabhu actually was a very great scholar. His name was Nimāi Paṇḍita.\nAnd at the age of sixteen years old He defeated one great scholar from Kashmir, Keśava Kāśmīrī. So He was a great scholar. So Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī asked Him that \"I understand that You are a great scholar, Sanskrit scholar, and especially in logic You are a very good scholar. And You are now sannyāsī. You were born in a brāhmaṇa family. How is that You are chanting and dancing without reading Vedānta?\"\nThis was the first question made by Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī. And He replied, \"Yes. The thing is that when I was initiated by My spiritual master, he said that 'You are fool number one. You don't discuss Vedānta. Simply You will spoil Your time. Please take to this chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, and You will be successful.' \" That was His reply.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu was not a fool, but Vedānta is not for fool. It requires sufficient education, sufficient status. Then one can understand Vedānta. In each and each code, each word, there are volumes of meaning, and there are many commentation, commentary by Śaṅkarācārya, commentary by Rāmānujācārya, commentary by..., big, big volumes in Sanskrit language. So how one will understand Vedānta? It is not possible. It may be possible for one person or two persons to understand what is Vedānta, but for the mass of people it is not possible; neither it is possible to practice yoga.\nTherefore this Caitanya Mahāprabhu's method, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa... He says the first installment of gain will be ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]\n[“’Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nAll the dirty things from your heart will be cleansed simply by chanting. You chant. There is no expenditure; there is no loss. But as we are chanting, if you kindly chant... You just do it for one week, and you see how much you progress in spiritual knowledge.\nWe are getting many students. Simply by chanting, they are understanding the whole philosophy. They are giving up their bad habits, they are becoming purified, so many things. They are practical. This Society, movement, is started practically not more than two years, 1966, and we have got so many branches. The American boys and girls, they are taking it very seriously and do it very nicely. They are following all rules and regulation, and they are happy. Ask any one of them.\nSo this is practical, ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12], cleansing the dirty things from the heart simply by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Yes. And the next thing is that bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam. As soon as your heart is cleansed of all dirty things, then all the problems of material existence immediately solved. Bhava-mahā-dāvāgni. It has been compared with dāvāgni. Dāvāgni means the blazing fire in the forest.\nIn this material existence, nobody wants unhappiness, but it comes, forced, by force. That is the law of material nature. Nobody wants that there may be fire, but especially in this country, wherever in a city we go, the fire brigade is always active. You see? Nobody wants fire, but the fire brigade is active. Yes. There is fire. Similarly, nobody wants so many things. Nobody wants death; there is death. Nobody wants disease; there is disease. Nobody wants old age; oh, there is old age—against my..., against my desire.\nWe should have to think that what is the status of this material existence. This human form of life is meant for understanding. The human form of life is not meant for wasting the valuable life like cats and dogs in the matter of eating, sleeping, mating and defending. That is not advancement of civilization. The Bhāgavata says that \"This body is not meant for working very hard simply for sense gratification.\" No.\nnāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke\nkaṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye\n[SB 5.5.1]\n[Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one's heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever.]\n\"To work very hard and to have..., satisfy oneself by sense gratification, that is the business of the hogs or dogs, not for human being.\" The human being, tapa, they should learn tapasya. And especially in India so many great sages, so many great kings, and so many brahmacārīs, sannyāsīs, they passed their life in great tapasya, not to go further.\nJust see Lord Buddha. Lord Buddha was a prince. He gave up everything, and He engaged himself in tapasya. This is life. King Bharata Mahārāja, under whose name India is called Bhārata-varṣa, in twenty-four..., when He was twenty-four years old he gave up his kingdom, He gave up his young wife, young children, and went for tapasya.\nLord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, when He was only twenty-four years, He gave up His young wife, mother, everything. There are various, many, many examples. India is land of tapasya, but we are forgetting that. We are forgetting. Now we are making it the land of technology. It is surprising that India has gone so down, forgetting its tapasya—the land of tapasya, the land of dharma. Dharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre [Bg. 1.1]. Dharma-kṣetre.\n[Dhṛtarāṣṭra said: O Sañjaya, after assembling in the place of pilgrimage at Kurukṣetra, what did my sons and the sons of Pāṇḍu do, being desirous to fight?]\nSo it is not only in India; everywhere in this age, everything is degraded, degraded in this sense: prāyeṇa kalau asmin alpāyeṣu yuge janāḥ [SB 1.1.10].\n[O learned one, in this iron Age of Kali men almost always have but short lives. They are quarrelsome, lazy, misguided, unlucky and, above all, always disturbed.]\nThe duration of life is diminished. They are not very much active to understand what is self-realization. And if they are, some of them are very much active, oh, he is misled by so many misleading, so-called leaders. So the age is very corrupting. Therefore this Caitanya Mahāprabhu's process of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa is the best method and the simplest method. Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma iva kevalam. Kevalam [Cc. Ādi 17.21].\n[“’In this Age of Kali there is no other means, no other means, no other means for self-realization than chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name of Lord Hari.’]\nThere is no other alternative.\nIn the Agni Purāṇa this verse appears, harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma iva kevalam. Three times: \"Simply chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa,\" kevalam, \"only.\" You cannot offer any other alternative. No. Only.\nHarer nāma harer nāma harer nāma iva kevalam. Kalau: \"In this age,\" nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā, \"there is no other alternative for self-realization except this.\" So we have to accept.\nThere is another version in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Parīkṣit Mahārāja was instructed by Śukadeva Gosvāmī. He described the faults of this age. There is... In the Twelfth Canto, Third Chapter, you will find. Everything is now being corroborated, what is described five thousand years ago.\nSo in that conclusive portion, Śukadeva Gosvāmī says, kalau doṣa-nidhe rājann hy asti eko mahān guṇaḥ: \"My dear King, this age, Kali, is full of faulty things, but there is one good opportunity.\" What is that? Kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya mukta-saṅgaḥ paraṁ vrajet [SB 12.3.51]\n[My dear King, although Kali-yuga is an ocean of faults, there is still one good quality about this age: Simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra, one can become free from material bondage and be promoted to the transcendental kingdom.]\n\"Simply by chanting this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, one becomes liberated and he goes back to Godhead, back to home.\" So this is practical, this is authorized, and you can yourself test also how you become advanced simply by chanting.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is nothing... It is not a new thing that we have introduced or manufactured. No. It is authorized on the Vedic principle, authorized by ācāryas like Caitanya Mahāprabhu and all other ācāryas. So you join us. You will be happy. Your human life will be sublime. And the method is very simple. There is no loss.\nWe are not charging anything, that \"You give me fee, I shall give you some secret mantra, and within six months you shall become God.\" No. It is open for everyone. Even child, even woman, girls, boys, old—everyone can take it and chant it and see the result. That is our request.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa conscious movement is universal movement. I would request you to join. We have got branches here. We are chanting daily twice. Especially we are holding meetings on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. And you try to understand. We have got... Not that we are sentimentalist. We have got books, philosophy, everything. So please join and take advantage of it. That is our request.\nThank you very much.\n[break] Yes?",
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"content": "\n Yes. We are not only establishing New Vrindaban, but there is New Navadvīpa, New Jagannātha Purī. Yes. We have already started New Jagannātha Purī in San Francisco. The Ratha-yātrā festival is going on. And this year there will be a great ceremony of Ratha-yātrā in London. There will be three cars: Jagannātha, Subhadrā and Balarāma. And it will be taken to the riverside, Thames.\nSo this American land, they have imported \"New England,\" \"New York\"; why not New Vrindaban? [laughter] So you should all join. Those who are Indians, they should join this movement, especially to establish this New Vrindaban. Because Lord Caitanya recommended, ārādhyo bhagavān vrajeśa-tanayam, tanaya [CB Madhya-khaṇḍa 8.214].\n[Lord Śrī Gaurasundara danced in the mood of a servant as the enchanting sound of kīrtana vibrated in the four directions.]\nThe vrajeśa-tanaya, Kṛṣṇa, the son of Nanda Mahārāja in the Vṛndāvana dhāma, or Vrajabhūmi, He is the supreme worshipable Deity. Tad-dhāma vṛndāvanam. And His place, Vṛndāvana, is also worshipable. So these Western boys and girls, they are taking to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So they should have a place like Vṛndāvana.\nSo here is present our Swami Kīrtanānanda. He went to Vṛndāvana with me two years ago, and he has taken the idea, what is Vṛndāvana. So I have instructed him that \"You should construct at least seven temples.\" In Vṛndāvana there are five thousand temples, not one, two. Five thousand temples of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. But the most important temples are seven, established by the Gosvāmīs.\nSo our program is to live there, depending on agriculture and cow. Cow protection and agriculture. That should be the economic solution. And peacefully be in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. That is the Vṛndāvana scheme. Yuktāhāra-vihārasya yogo bhavati siddhidaḥ [Bg. 6.17].\n[He who is temperate in his habits of eating, sleeping, working and recreation can mitigate all material pains by practicing the yoga system.]\nThis human form of life is not meant for increasing artificial needs. We should be satisfied just to maintain the body and soul together, and balance time we should save for enhancing our Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or spiritual consciousness, so that after this body we haven't got to take another material body, but we go back to home, back to Godhead. That should be the motto of human life.\nAnother thing I may inform you in this connection, that when I first came to New York, one big man in India, mean rich man, Sir Padampat Singhania of Kanpur, he..., I had correspondence that \"Singhaniajī, if you give me some money, I can construct a temple here of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa.\" So he was ready. He said that \"Swāmījī, whatever amount you want, I can give, provided the government gives sanction.\"\nSo I had many correspondence with the government, but they did not give me sanction. But here, the embassy, they have given me sanction that \"You can raise funds from the residents in America and construct temple.\"\nSo you are so many Indians. If you help me, I can construct temples everywhere. We have got many assistants. Of course, the American rich men, they are not coming. The boys and girls who have joined me, they are very not rich, but very sincere. They are working and maintaining these twenty centers. We have got good expenditure. You know, it is America. Sometimes we have to spend two thousand dollars in every center.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is giving us opportunity. Although there is no temple, but we are—I mean to say, our own temple—but temples we have got everywhere. We have got our Deity, Jagannātha, Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. They are being worshiped nicely, and we are offering prasādam. Every Sunday we are distributing prasādam.\nSo the system is going on. Especially if you go to Los Angeles, we have got the biggest temple there. At least, daily, fifty, sixty persons are taking prasādam. On Sunday there are guests, more than one hundred. They are taking part. It is going on nicely. Similarly, we'll have in every place.\nSo that foretelling, prediction of Lord Caitanya, pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi grāma [CB Antya-khaṇḍa 4.126], that time has come.\n[“In every town and village of the world, the chanting of My name will be heard.]\nLet us cooperate and distribute this nice thing, Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. People will be happy.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Our students are forbidden not to accept any kind of intoxication. They do not drink even tea or coffee, or they do not smoke, what to speak of other things. That is our first condition to become disciple: no illicit sex life, no intoxication, no meat-eating, no gambling. These four things must be there. Otherwise we don't accept anyone as disciple.",
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"content": "\n Because for an average American, a man in the street who doesn't know what Hinduism means, he thinks...",
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"content": "\n ...probably this is a meeting of hippies going on here.",
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"content": "\n Hippies who are coming in our touch, they are giving up all these things even. Because they are not guided—misguided—they are seeking after something better, but there is no leader. But this movement will give them relief, to everyone. We are... Anyone who comes to us for initiation, our first condition is that there should be no illicit sex life, no boyfriend-girlfriend. No. Just get yourself married.\nAlthough I am sannyāsī, I have no connection with this marriage, but I do it for the sake of my disciples, just to settle them nicely. So all the boys or girls, they are being married. In Boston, while I was coming, there was three couples married. So they are living peacefully. There is no intoxication. They do not smoke even, do not take even tea or coffee. And they are taking nice prasādam every day. They are happy, they are healthy, and chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. That's all.",
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"content": "\n Is there a basic conflict between a spiritual life and material living? How does the philosophy...?",
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"content": "\n No. Material life means... Material life means eating, sleeping, mating and defending. This is material life. And spiritual life means something more than this. Just like animal life or human life. Animal life, the common formula is eating, sleeping, mating and defending.\nA dog also eats; a man also eats. A man also sleeps, and a dog also sleeps. The man also have sex life, and the dog also have sex life. The dog also defends in his own way, and man also defends in his own way—maybe atomic bomb; that is a different thing. But the defense, defense measure... These four principles are common between human being and animal.\nSo advancement of these four principles is not human civilization. That is animal civilization. That is not human civilization. And human civilization means that athāto brahma jijñāsā, the Vedānta-sūtra says. The Vedānta-sūtra, first aphorism is athāto brahma jijñāsā: \"Now it is the time for inquiry about the Brahman.\" That is human life. Without this inquiry, that is animal life.\nSo that is material life and... So long one is not spiritually inquisitive, jijñāsu śreya uttamam, he is animal, because he has got only these four principles: eating, sleeping, mating and defending. That's all. He must be inquisitive, \"What I am? Why I am put into these miseries of life—birth, death, old..., disease? Is there any remedy?\"\nThese things should be questioned. Then it is human life. Then it is spiritual life. Athāto brahma jijñāsā. This is the beginning of Vedānta. Brahma-jijñāsā: one should be inquisitive to understand what is Brahman. That is spiritual life.\nSo our Vedic system was so nicely designed that automatically one will be elevated to the understanding of Brahman. This caste system is condemned because they have been vitiated by designing person. Actually, caste system, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ... [Bg. 4.13].\n[According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.]\nThe... According to division of qualities, there are caste system everywhere. Goodness, passion, and ignorance—these three qualities are working in the material nature.\nThe persons who are in goodness, they are called brāhmaṇas. Not that birth. Kṛṣṇa does not say \"by birth.\" Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ. There is no question of birth. Simply by quality. By quality, the division is everywhere: intelligent class of men, administrative class of men, productive class of men and laborer class of men. This is brāhmaṇa, śūdra... That's all.\nSo everything should be taken scientifically. Human... That is human civilization, human life; otherwise animal life. Spiritual life means human life, and material life means animal life. That's all. So we have to make adjustment, as it is recommended in the Bhagavad-gītā, yuktāhāra-vihārasya [Bg. 6.17].\n[He who is temperate in his habits of eating, sleeping, working and recreation can mitigate all material pains by practicing the yoga system.]\nIt does not mean because I am going to be spiritual man, I shall give up eating. No, not that. But my eating should be adjusted. These things are described in the Bhagavad-gītā, what class of foodstuff is first class, in goodness, and what class of foodstuff in the passion, third class, in ignorance.\nSo we have to raise ourself in the goodness platform of human civilization, then revive our transcendental consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. These things are..., everything is there in the śāstras. Unfortunately, we do not consult. [break]\nevaṁ prasanna-manaso\nbhagavad-bhakti-yogataḥ\nbhagavat-tattva-vijñānaṁ\nmukta-saṅgasya jāyate\n[SB 1.2.20]\n[Thus established in the mode of unalloyed goodness, the man whose mind has been enlivened by contact with devotional service to the Lord gains positive scientific knowledge of the Personality of Godhead in the stage of liberation from all material association.]\nUnless one is liberated from the clutches of these three modes of material nature, he cannot understand what is God. Prasanna-manaso. He must be Brahman-realized soul. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati [Bg. 18.54].\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nThese things are there. So you should take advantage of these śāstras and preach. That is the responsibility to the Indian. Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu has said,\nbhārata-bhūmite manuṣya-janma haila yāra\njanma sārthaka kari' kara para-upakāra\n[Cc. Ādi 9.41]\n[“One who has taken his birth as a human being in the land of India [Bhārata-varṣa] should make his life successful and work for the benefit of all other people.]\n\"Anyone who has taken his birth in India as human being, he should learn all the śāstras, make his life successful, and distribute this.\" That is the responsibility of India. This is the injunction of Lord Caitanya. Bhārata-bhūmite manuṣya-janma haila yāra. So Bhārata-bhūmi is not... To take birth in India is not ordinary thing. You must know.\nBut you should utilize the opportunity. That utilization you should read, study, understand volumes of Vedic literature, and you should distribute the knowledge to the rest of the world. Rest of the world, they know God is great, but they do not know how great is God. That you will find in the Vedic literature. And that is our duty. That is kīrtana, hari-kīrtana. Paraṁ vijayate śrī-kṛṣṇa-saṅkīrtanam, to glorify.\nSo I shall specially request our Indian nationals to join this movement and distribute the knowledge. I am doing it now alone. And if you join, it will be great help to this movement. Try to understand.",
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"content": "\n We understand from the newspaper that there is a temple which has been started on East 20th Street. Can somebody tell us at what stage it is?",
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"content": "\n In New York?",
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"content": "\n Here in Columbus. We read in newspaper yesterday.",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. That is our temple. Our temple, yes. So you come and see. That is just started for the last few weeks only. Yes. But we have got very nice temples in Los Angeles, in New York, in San Francisco.",
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"content": "\n We saw the one in Montreal.",
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"content": "\n In Montreal also. You saw me there?",
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"content": "\n Yeah, we saw...., last year.",
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"content": "\n Last year, no. I think in June I was there. Montreal also we have got. In Vancouver we have got. So as these boys are growing, so we are starting. Bala bari duḥkha kande[?]. When the children are grown up, the father's labor diminishes.\nSo... all right. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Please join with us. [end]",
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"content": "\n First thing is, their calculation of Candra..., moon planet, they have different views. Different scientist, they have different views. It is not a standard. They have not agreed to the... Somebody says something, somebody says another thing. Speculation. That's all.\nBut that idea, that it is very low in temperature, that is mentioned in Bhāgavata also. You cannot live in the water. You have to qualify yourself.\n[sound of ducks]\nJust see. Their body is made just suitable for the water. So you have to qualify yourself. That is...\nJust like in the spiritual sky they can live only spiritual body, and material body cannot live there. Material body is not allowed there. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Ūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthā madhye tiṣṭhanti rājasāḥ [Bg. 14.18].\n[Those situated in the mode of goodness gradually go upward to the higher planets; those in the mode of passion live on the earthly planets; and those in the mode of ignorance go down to the hellish worlds.]\nThose who are too much passionate, they are meant to live in this planet. This planetary system, status. There are many other planets like this world. So they are allowed to live here. Here all living entities, they are very much passionate.\nAnd adho gacchanti tāmasāḥ. And there are other planets, they are dark, dark planets, below this earthly planet. And the animals, they are in darkness. Although they're on this park, but they do not know where they are, darkness. Their knowledge is not developed. So this is the result of the modes of ignorance.\nAnd those who are Kṛṣṇa conscious, they are neither in darkness, nor in passion, nor in goodness. They are transcendental. So if one cultivates Kṛṣṇa consciousness nicely, he is at once promoted to the Kṛṣṇaloka. That is wanted.\nYou are all chanting sixteen rounds? No? [laughs]",
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"content": "\n I did at first, but then I slipped back.",
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"content": "\n Is it very difficult?",
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"content": "\n No. We do not know how yet to regulate our time too well. Some days we chant sixteen rounds, and then the next day, I don't know what happens. I think we sleep too much—I mean, I think I sleep too much.",
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"content": "\n How many hours you are sleeping?",
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"content": "\n About six to eight.",
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"content": "\n That is not much. Sixteen... It takes only two hours, sixteen rounds. Huh? Two hours, or more than that?",
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"content": "\n Two hours is all it takes to do the rounds.",
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"content": "\n So you have to spend two hours for Kṛṣṇa out of twenty-fours.\n[walks for awhile and chants japa]\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Is there something wrong with sleeping eight hours?",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n Is there something wrong with sleeping eight hours?",
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"content": "\n Sleeping and eating, this is the material disease. Sleeping, eating, mating... So they should be reduced as much as possible.",
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"content": "\n If you're still tired...",
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"content": "\n No, you can sleep till you are refreshed. Somebody's refreshed by sleeping four hours; somebody is refreshed by sleeping ten hours.",
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"content": "\n But we should not sleep when we have..., in place of our devotional service.",
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"content": "\n No, of course not. Devotional service is first.",
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"content": "\n So if we miss some sleep, we should do it.",
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"content": "\n We should forego sleeping even. The real regulated life is that if sixteen rounds is not completed, then we have to go..., forego sleeping. You should take out hours from sleeping. We should be... The main thing is that we should always be careful that we are going..., we have taken up a very responsible task, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo we should be very much careful in discharging the duty. The devotee should be so much careful that he'll always see, \"Whether this moment is spoiled or utilized?\" Avyartha-kālatvam [Cc. Madhya 23.18]. \n[”’When the seed of ecstatic emotion for Kṛṣṇa fructifies, the following nine symptoms manifest in one’s behavior: forgiveness, concern that time should not be wasted, detachment, absence of false prestige, hope, eagerness, a taste for chanting the holy name of the Lord, attachment to descriptions of the transcendental qualities of the Lord, and affection for those places where the Lord resides—that is, a temple or a holy place like Vṛndāvana. These are all called anubhāva, subordinate signs of ecstatic emotion. They are visible in a person in whose heart the seed of love of God has begun to fructify.’]\nAvyartha-kālatvam, that \"My time may not be wasted.\" He should be so careful, \"Whether my time is being wasted?\" And time wasted, the time we engage for our bodily necessities, that is wasted. Generally, conditioned souls, they are simply wasting their time. Only the period which we are engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that is utilized. So we should be very much careful whether time is being wasted or being utilized.",
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"content": "\n Sometimes, well, if you slept less, we could do more for Kṛṣṇa, but at the same time you would be very tired. I mean, you could be... Well, you could regulate that.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n But I think we're partly...",
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"content": "\nPractically everything depends on practice.",
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"content": "\nAbhyāsa-yoga-yuktena cetasā nānya-gāminā [Bg. 8.8]. Abhyāsa-yoga. \n[He who meditates on the Supreme Personality of Godhead, his mind constantly engaged in remembering Me, undeviated from the path, he, O Pārtha [Arjuna], is sure to reach Me.]\nAbhyāsa-yoga means yoga practice... Practice it. So this whole Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to practice transferring from one kind of consciousness to another. So we require practice. Just like one man can run three miles. I cannot run even one mile. He has practiced. We see some boys, they run, run on. They practice, practice it. Strength of the heart increasing by practice. And if I run, my heart will be palpitating, because I have no practice. So by practice, everything can be attained. [japa]\n[break] ...determination. And this determination is increased by celibacy. Brahmacārya is recommended to keep oneself determined. A brahmacārī, if he determines something, he executes. He has got that strength of mind. Those who are too much addicted to sex life, they cannot be determined. They cannot be fixed-up. They are flexible, changing. People are, in modern day, they cannot sit down in a place for a long time. Therefore so much traveling. The traveling business is very prosperous. Everyone wants to travel. They cannot fix, fix up.\nSo the processes recommended, they're very valuable, but it is not possible to follow them all in the present age because everything is reducing. So our method is to pray to Kṛṣṇa to give us the necessary strength. That's all. Otherwise, by regular practice, for this age is very difficult. Unfavorable. First thing is memory is very short. We cannot remember. Life is very short.\nLife is short, at the same time, so much disturbed by anxieties, by disease, by natural disturbances. Roga-śokādibhiḥ. Short life; that is also disturbed by disease and lamentation. Every moment there is something for which you have to lament: \"Oh!\" Roga-śokādibhiḥ. And disease. This body is a breeding ground of all kinds of disease. Life is short and it is so much disturbed. So how it is possible to practice?\nTherefore, this one practice—chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, and hearing—that is very nice. And praying to Kṛṣṇa, \"Please give me strength.\" Hare, \"O Energy of Kṛṣṇa, O Kṛṣṇa, I am fallen; I have no strength. Please accept me.\" That's all. \"I have no qualification. I am frail. I am trying, but I am failing.\" All these appeals should be made. And Kṛṣṇa is all-powerful; He can do anything. Even the..., we do not perform, trying our best, if we fail, Kṛṣṇa will help us. Just like a child tries his best, but he falls down. The mother takes up and \"All right. Come on. Walk.\" Like that. Yes?",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī? Is doing something other than chanting, like going to school and paying attention to what's there, if you're doing that so you can spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is that just as good as chanting?",
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"content": "\n Chanting is good everywhere.",
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"content": "\n Yes, but, I mean, if you can't chant all day.",
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"content": "\n If there is, I mean to say, some inconvenience in chanting loudly, you can chant slowly. Loudly, slowly... Within mind you can chant. This simple practice, you'll give up all kinds of\n[microphone rattling]...",
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"content": "\n Sometimes in school you have your..., your mind is focused on their problems that they are, I mean...\n[plane going overhead]",
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"content": "\n Not sometimes. Practically, we are always disturbed.\n[walks for awhile]",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, would it be all right for Cathy to become a devotee?",
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"content": "\n I don't follow.",
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"content": "\n To be initiated. Cathy. To be initiated. She's the girl with the baby.",
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"content": "\n Oh. If she can perform the..., there is no objection.",
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"content": "\n She would like to.",
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"content": "\n You are very kind upon her. [laughs] Yes. Vaiṣṇava is very kind.\n[pause] [break] [to devotee carrying tape recorder:]\nIt is very heavy?",
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"content": "\n No, not too heavy. If I had a memory, I wouldn't need this.\n[Prabhupāda laughs]\n So you're carrying your memory in your hand?\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Because memory is reducing, therefore nature is helping to manufacture so many machines.",
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"content": "\n Is that why people are making these machines, because they can't remember? Is that a sign of Kali that there's more machines to help people?",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes. And nowadays in the courts, they use machines. The judges also cannot remember what has been argued between the parties. So they take this tape recorder and give judgment. Because the argument is going on for two days, three days, how much he can remember? And when he gives judgment he has to take consideration of all the arguments, then give his judgment. So this machine helps.",
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"content": "\n If somebody had a big dollar bill, the judge would remember.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n If somebody gave the judge a big dollar bill, he would remember.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That means truthfulness is not there; diminished. The same thing. Because truthfulness has diminished, therefore you can bribe anybody and he can tell lie for you. We are in a very precarious condition, very unfavorable condition. The best thing is to pray Kṛṣṇa, \"Please pick me up very soon and let me go back to Your place.\" If you have to come back again, oh, you do not know how much miseries we have to undergo.\nBecause with the advancement of Kali-yuga, everything is becoming more and more miserable. There is no happiness in family life, there is no happiness in social life, there is no happiness in political life, there is no happiness in earning livelihood. Everything is encumbered. All impediment, full of impediments.",
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"content": "\n One of my friends said, \"[indistinct], you want to tell us everything, so why don't you build a machine to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa for you?\"",
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"content": "\n Huh? Yes. Machine was not made for chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, but we are utilizing it so that the machine-maker may be benefited. Because we employ everyone's energy to Kṛṣṇa. So by his energy he has manufactured this machine, so we are employing in Kṛṣṇa's service so that he may be benefited, [indistinct]. We are showing him the mercy.\nJust like one flower picked up from a plant offered to Kṛṣṇa is offering benefit to that plant. Because his energy is in the service of Kṛṣṇa. Similarly, the person who has manufactured this machine, when it is employed in Kṛṣṇa consciousness business, he's benefited.\nIndirectly, we are giving him opportunity, although he does not know it. But his energy is being utilized for Kṛṣṇa. We offer prasādam, the same principle. A man does not know about Kṛṣṇa. But he wants to eat. By eating, he'll be gradually Kṛṣṇa conscious.\nSo you have... Our business is to give opportunity to all forgotten souls to be engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, today or tomorrow. The boys and girls who have come to this Society, they have accumulated in that way, knowingly or unknowingly, some Kṛṣṇa conscious qualification, and therefore they have taken this opportunity.\n[pause] We have no dog friend. [laughs]",
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"content": "\n It's a dog taking a man for a walk.",
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"content": "\n We are all devotee friend. Where is your dog?",
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"content": "\n Oh, he's gone.",
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"content": "\n Gone? [laughs]",
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"content": "\n Yes. Some very nice people who worship dogs took him. [laughs]",
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"content": "\n The dog saw that \"My master has become devotee, so it is useless to keep here.\"",
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"content": "\n These people who took him, they think he is a person.",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n They treat him like person.",
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"content": "\n He's a person. Dog is a person. Why imperson?",
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"content": "\n Dog is person also.",
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"content": "\n Yes, but they treat him like I would... They... Human person. They treat him like... They worship him.",
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"content": "\n Yes, but what is the difference between human person and dog person? No difference.",
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"content": "\nSo far eating, sleeping, mating and defending, they are equal. Human personality is there when he's Kṛṣṇa conscious. Otherwise he's an animal, as good as dog.",
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"content": "\n So these... If you do not take to Kṛṣṇa conscious, you are a dog.",
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"content": "\n Yes, equal to dog. Because he has no other consciousness except those four principles: eating, sleeping, mating and defending. That is there in the animals. Don't you see the swans? They are enjoying sex life. So what is the difference between man...\nA man also does like that. So, so long one is not above these four principles of animal demands, he's as good as animal. To meet animal demands in a polished way is not civilization. One must be above the animal demands. That is civilization. You have read that poetry, \"Alexander and the Robber\"? Have you read?",
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"content": "\n I don't think so. Say again?\n \"Alexander and the Rabbit\"?\n No.",
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"content": "\n Alexander the Great, you have heard the name?",
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"content": "\n He conquered all over the world almost. He went to India also. So he met one robber. So he arrested, Alexander. He was king. The robber said, \"Why you have arrested me?\" \"Because you are robber.\" \"Oh, you are also great robber.\" Then when Alexander was charging him that \"You have done this,\" oh, he charges, \"You have done this. I have entered a private house; you have entered a private state. So you are a big robber.\" Then he released him, \"Yes, what is the difference between robber and me?\" And Alexander, from that day, he stopped his conquering propaganda. \"Alexander and the Robber.\"\nThe robber proved that \"You are a big robber only. But because you are big robber, therefore you are called 'Alexander the Great.' But my business is the same as yours—encroaching upon others' property. Why do you think that I am culprit and you are innocent? You are also culprit. If I had power, I could have punished you. And you have now power, you are trying to punish me.\" So Alexander the Great was convinced by robber.",
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"content": "\n What did he... [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Did he kill himself?",
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"content": "\n Alexander the Great?",
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"content": "\n He killed himself?",
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"content": "\n He died from a... He died.\n[to tape] This was recorded at Stowe Lake in San Francisco on March 23rd, 1968, about 7:30 in the morning. Stowe Lake is Swāmījī's favorite walking place. [end]",
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"content": "\n ...viṣṇu [Viṣṇujana repeats each word] pādāya kṛṣṇa preṣṭhāya bhū-tale śrīmate bhaktivedānta svāmin iti nāmine.\nYou chant beginning from here, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Then begin again, another. In this way, there are 108. Come this side. Don't cross. Then again chant on this side from this way to this way. Your name is Viṣṇujana. Viṣṇujana. V-i-s-n-u-j-a-n-a. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.\n[break] [japa] [break] You have not brought? All right. All right. You come. [indistinct] [break]\nThe brahminical qualifications is described in the Bhagavad-gītā: satyam śauca śama dama titikṣa ārjavam, jñānaṁ vijñānam āstikyaṁ brahma-karma svabhāva-jam [Bg. 18.42].\n[Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, wisdom, knowledge, and religiousness—these are the qualities by which the brāhmaṇas work.]\nThose who are actually brāhmaṇas, they must be truthful, always clean, inside and outside. Truthful, clean, and controlling the senses, śama dama, controlling the mind, controlling the senses, controlling the mind; śama dama titikṣa, tolerance, titikṣa, tolerance; ārjavam, simplicity; and jñānam, must be profoundly wise; vijñānam, practical application in life; jñānaṁ vijñānam āstikyam, full faith in scriptures and in God, or Kṛṣṇa, āstikyam. Brahma-karma svabhāva-jam: \"These are natural duties, or work, of a brāhmaṇa.\"\nAnd in the Bhagavad-gītā you will find in another place, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13].\n[According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.]\n\"These four classes of classification of the society, it is made by Me.\" That means this classification of society in the human society, that is made by God. What is that classification? The brāhmaṇa, the kṣatriya, the vaiśya and the śūdra. It is not the name, but it is guṇa-karma. Brāhmaṇa means quality and work, kṣatriya means quality and work, and vaiśya means quality and work. There is no question of birthright.\nIt is a false proposition that a brāhmaṇa's son becomes brāhmaṇa. No, not necessarily. If he properly becomes initiated under the guidance of a spiritual master, then he is brāhmaṇa. Otherwise, if he has acquired the qualities of a śūdra, then he should be considered as a śūdra. These are the śāstric injunctions. And this classification is all over the world. Don't think that it is Indian or Vedic system. No. In every country, in every place, in every planet, these four divisions are there.\nBrāhmaṇas means those who are interested in spiritual life, they are called brāhmaṇas, intelligent class. They are called intelligent class, because unless one is intelligent, he will simply consider that this body is he, identification of the body. That is foolishness. Brāhmaṇas means brahma jānātīti brāhmaṇaḥ. One who knows that \"I am ahaṁ brahmāsmi,\" and he has actually realized that \"I am not this body; I am pure spirit self...\" It is not the question of Hindu, Muslim. Anyone. Anyone who knows this knowledge that \"I am the self,\" and acts in that way, he is a brāhmaṇa.\nSo these initiation formalities are there. You are instructed, you are guided, but you have to act. Unless you act, then the same thing as in India—the so-called brāhmaṇas and kṣatriyas are degraded; there will be no meaning. So guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13].\n[According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.]\nYou have to stick to the brahminical qualities, and at the same time work. Brahma-karma. Brahman is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the last word of Brahman. So you have to engage yourself, brahma-karma, means Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And exhibit your quality, that you are truthful, you are controlling control over the senses, control over the mind, and you are simple and you are tolerant.\nBecause as soon as you take up spiritual life, the whole class conducted by māyā, they will be against you. That is māyā's influence. Somebody will criticize. Somebody will do this, somebody will do that, but we shall... We have to become tolerant. This is the disease of this material world. If anyone becomes spiritually advanced, the agents of māyā will criticize. So therefore you have to become tolerant.\nAnd simple, simplicity. Ārjavam, titikṣa ārjavam, and jñāna, and you must be fully equipped with knowledge. The Bhagavad-gītā is there, the Śrīmad-Bhāgavata is there. Now we are publishing other books also, Teachings of Lord Caitanya. So read them. These three or four books, if you read, you become fully qualified with knowledge. And vijñānam, and apply them in your practical life. And āstikyam, in full faith of the procedures and in Kṛṣṇa. That will make you successful. All right. Get up.\n[japa] [indistinct] [break] Come forward. Now you keep your mālikā, [indistinct]. You have to offer it. [knocking noises] Its in your name. Take little, this. Nama.",
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"content": "\n Each time, when I say \"svāhā\" three times, you'll... Little bit. [devotees chant responsively]\noṁ apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bahyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nsvāhā\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the Six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayitāya kṛpābdhaye\nkṛṣṇa-sambandha-vijñāna-dāyine prabhave namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\nI offer my respectful obeisances to Śrī Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.\nmādhuryojjvala-premāḍhya-śrī-rūpānuga-bhaktida-\nśrī-gaura-karuṇā-śakti-vigrahāya namo 'stu te\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mercy, who delivers devotional service enriched with conjugal love of Śrī Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamas te gaura-vāṇī-śrī-mūrtaye dīna-tāriṇe\nrūpānuga-viruddhāpasiddhānta-dhvānta-hāriṇe\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Lord Caitanya. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement against the teachings of devotional service enunciated by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamo gaura-kiśorāya sākṣād-vairāgya-mūrtaye\nvipralambha-rasāmbhodhe pādāmbujāya te namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja [the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is renunciation personified. He is always merged in a feeling of separation and intense love of Kṛṣṇa.]\nnamo bhaktivinodāya sac-cid-ānanda-nāmine\ngaura-śakti-svarūpāya rūpānuga-varāya te\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Saccidānanda Bhaktivinoda, who is the transcendental energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is a strict follower of the Gosvāmīs, headed by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\ngaurāvirbhāva-bhūmes tvaṁ nirdeṣṭā saj-jana-priyaḥ\nvaiṣṇava-sārvabhaumaḥ śrī-jagannāthāya te namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīla Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who is respected by the entire Vaiṣṇava community and who confirmed the discovery of the place where Lord Caitanya appeared.]\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvenebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.]\nnamo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te\nkṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmātī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\npañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ bhakta-rūpa-svarūpakam\nbhaktāvatāraṁ bhaktākhyaṁ namāmi bhakta-śaktikam\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional manifestation, devotional incarnation, pure devotee and devotional energy.]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, O ocean of mercy, O friend of the distressed and the source of creation, O master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\njayatāṁ, suratau, paṅgor, mama, manda, mater, gate\nmat, sarvasva, padām, bhojau, rādhā, madana, mohanau\n[Sambandhādhideva Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[Glory to the all-merciful Rādhā and Madana-mohana! I am lame and ill advised, yet They are my directors, and Their lotus feet are everything to me.]\ndīvyad, vṛnda, araṇya, kalpa, drumādhaḥ\nśrīmad, ratna, agāra, siṁha, asana-sthau\nśrī śrī, rādhā, śrīla, govinda, devau\npreṣṭhā, devī, sevya, mānau, smarāmi\n[Abhidheyādhideva Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[In a temple of jewels in Vṛndāvana, underneath a desire tree, Śrī Śrī Rādhā-Govinda, served by Their most confidential associates, sit upon an effulgent throne. I offer my most humble obeisances unto Them.]\nnamo, rāsa, rasa, arambhī, vaṁśī, vaṭa, taṭa, sthitaḥ\nkarṣan, veṇu, svanair, gopīr, gopī, nāthaḥ, śriye, astu, naḥ\n[Prayojanādhideva Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[Śrī Śrīla Gopīnātha, who originated the transcendental mellow of the rāsa dance, stands on the shore in Vaṁśīvaṭa and attracts the attention of the cowherd damsels with the sound of His celebrated flute. May they all confer upon us their benediction.]\nNow take each one. Chant.\nnama oṁ, brahmaṇya, devāya\ngo, brāhmaṇa, hitāya ca\njagad, dhitāya, kṛṣṇāya\ngovindāya, namo, namaḥ\n[Viṣṇu Purāṇa 1.19.65]\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to the Supreme Absolute Truth, Krishna, who is the well-wisher of the cows and the brahmanas as well as the living entities in general. I offer my repeated obeisances to Govinda [Krishna], who is the pleasure reservoir for all the senses.]\nSlowly like this. [japa]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[My dear Lord, and the spiritual energy of the Lord, kindly engage me in Your service. I am now embarrassed with this material service. Please engage me in Your service.]\nNow those with a sacred thread you come. [indistinct] you do like that. [japa]\nNow you can sit down and chant. Chant.\n[32:00] [kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] [obeisances]\nYou keep it and others will come. Keep it. [japa]\nYes chant Govinda. [Govinda jaya jaya]\n[prema-dhvani]\nMalati where is that jug? Opening jug.",
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"content": "\n And that, too, in the foreign countries, to establish that, it is...\n Yes, it's a wonderful thing. I was all the while imagining, imagining...",
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"content": "\n So I went in USA without any sponsor. No, I... That is the... One gentleman sponsored for one month. One month only. Not even one month; I remained there only three weeks, and then I chalked out my plan. He was my friend's son, and my friend wrote him that \"You sponsor Swāmījī for one month.\"",
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"content": "\n No, Indian. One gentleman from Agra. So his son immediately sent me, sponsoring. But still, the government objected that \"We cannot allow you to go there, because you are sponsored by an individual person.\" But I wanted to see chief controller of... what is called, foreign exchange, Mr. Rao. So he kindly accepted: \"Yes, Swāmījī, you can go.\" He fought. [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n That time it was very difficult. Passport I have got already.",
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"content": "\n Now, the difficulty is about visa only. Passport I have secured. It's cleared it for three years. [indistinct] passport. Now it is easy to get a passport. I do possess. After getting the passport I wrote and corresponded with your...",
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"content": "\n So there was no money with me, and in an awkward position... My philosophy is completely different. I was to ask them to cease from four kinds of sinful activities, and they are habituated to these things. Illicit sex, and drinking wine, and intoxication and gambling—these are their daily affairs. So I was thinking, \"I have to stop this. Who will hear me?\" But Kṛṣṇa... Everything became...",
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"content": "\n Yes. So I got the opportunity to go to America because their ship goes to New York. So I accepted, \"All right, we can see, either go to London or New York.\" New York is better place than London.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] He's my old friend.\n We both are coming from Horir[?], leaving Delhi after [indistinct]. We are interested in this Gītā-jayantī Mahotsava, and we shall be more interested in you also. You are coming...",
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"content": "\n So this is [indistinct] Kumar Sharma. He's an..., a learned[?] man. He has brought this tape recorder. He has come to tape your interview. Last night we met Mr. Ja.[?]",
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"content": "\n And he has permitted us to tape your interview for our paper. So if you don't mind, we shall ask some questions.",
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"content": "\n [Hindi] ...America from the last five, six years back and incorporated this Kṛṣṇa conscious movement there. That means to say that it is Kṛṣṇa alone, it is bhakti of Kṛṣṇa alone through which you can have God realization, and Kṛṣṇa alone... [indistinct]... servant of Lord Kṛṣṇa and...",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa is God. People are searching after \"Where is God?\"—but they are missing Kṛṣṇa. That is the dilemma of the present society.",
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"content": "\n You have written number of books also [indistinct] volumes are there. It is not only appealing to your eyes but to your heart and to your soul. By the very look of the book, our heart is..., rather, our soul is elated, and we come into that state of mind. Huh? So after reading this, we don't know what stage will come. See how beautiful... [indistinct]\n [indistinct] Will they be answering in Hindi or English?",
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"content": "\n This gentleman. You'll be answering in Hindi or English?",
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"content": "\n They know Hindi.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]\n No, no. If you want to put questions in English, Swāmījī will reply in English. If you want to put in Hindi, I hope... Yesterday I heard him in Hindi, I had the good fortune, and I can say with my understanding that he is equally past master in Hindi, although... [laughter] Yesterday we had the good occasion and the good fortune of hearing him in Hindi as well. [Hindi]\nDisciples will speak English only.",
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"content": "\n Yes, they do not speak.",
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"content": "\n And I will also give you one song, you see, so that you may know that collection is me[?] ...as a memory for me of my great svami, for whom I was always thinking for the last more than six months.\n [Hindi].",
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"content": "\n [Hindi] I was born, Vaiṣṇava family. My father was a great devotee. Naturally, he gave me... Oh, I am speaking in Hindi..., English. [Hindi, talking about centers opened in the West amongst other things]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi about Hindu dharma]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi] They are not attracted to the Hindu dharma.",
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"content": "\n Then why they attracted to Hare Rāma, Hare Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n They are attracted to Kṛṣṇa. These people, they are [Hindi]. But you are taking Kṛṣṇa as Hindu. That is your mistake. Kṛṣṇa is... Hindu ne. He is God. He is God. God Hindu ne, Mussulman ne, Christian ne, Parsi ne—God is God. [Hindi] And I am also not interested to preach Hindu dharma. [Hindi] ...Kṛṣṇa dharma. Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that is the only dharma. [Hindi] ...Kṛṣṇa literature. It is not a Hindu dharma literature. [Hindi]\nSo they are not interested in many gods, Durga, Kali, or Śiva, or... [Hindi] Strictly, if you take the version of Bhagavad-gītā, why Bhagavān says that \"You give up all religion. Simply you take to the shelter of My feet?\" That means to take shelter of Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet is the only religion. [Hindi] Practically that was against Hindu conception. [Hindi] We are not talking of God, [Hindi] we are talking of love.\nWhy you misunderstand? Don't misunderstand the philosophy. We are teaching love of Godhead. It is not we are teaching that you become afraid of God [Hindi]. [break] [Hindi] Bahut easy process hai. You come, sing, dance, and take prasādam. Is there any difficulty? If people come to us, in melodious songs they sing and they dance and when they are tired they take sumptuously prasādam, so what can be the more convenient way? [Hindi]\nYou are a qualified lawyer, but you cannot do for want of money. [Hindi] He has no right because he does not know what is name. Nāma-cintāmaṇi-kṛṣṇaś caitanya-rasa-vigrahaḥ. [Hindi] Yes. Because you are responsible, if you cut throat of a goat, then you'll be responsible. Just like in your jurist[?] law, if you commit murder—you are lawyer—you have to be hanged. So, [Hindi] \"...life for life.\" So I am killing one life. I shall not be liable to repay by my life.",
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"content": "\n But then why the Vedas allow us to eat the meat of goat and other animals?",
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"content": "\n That is to restrict. Just like government opens liquor shop. That does not mean government is encouraging to drink. Those who are drunkard, going create disturbance, for them there is little concession. But they are responsible. If they become drunkard and causes some disturbance in the street, then he will be arrested by the police. He cannot say, \"Oh, I have paid for the bottle.\" [Hindi conversation about schools and colleges] [Hindi] The bhakti is all-inclusive. [explains Brahman, Paramātmā, Bhagavān in Hindi]\nvadanti tat tattva-vidas\ntattvaṁ yaj jñānam advayam\nbrahmeti paramātmeti\nbhagavān iti śabdyate\n[SB 1.2.11]\n[Hindi] Brahmā-jñāna means... Just like sunlight. You understand sunlight. That does not mean that you know sun disc. But both of them are light.",
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"content": "\n The brahma-jñāna has got a limited jurisdiction.",
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"content": "\n It is these things that... This is the... Just like ordinary... [Hindi]\nyasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi-\nkoṭiṣv aśeṣa-vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam\ntad brahma niṣkalam anantam aśeṣa bhūtaṁ...\n[Bs. 5.40]\nBrahma niṣkalam anantam... [Hindi conversation]",
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"content": "\n Different stages? Are there different stages?",
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"content": "\n Different features. Different features. Just like Sūryaloka or Sūryadeva or Sūrya-raśmi. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n I see.",
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"content": "\n [Hindi] Different stages. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n You have to try to come in second arya[?].",
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"content": "\n Then second, paramātmā-jñāna. Then bhagavat-jñāna. [break]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi] [break] [Hindi conversation] That is bhakti. That is the pure bhakti. [Hindi conversation] ...my family, my [Hindi], so many responsibility, [Hindi].",
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"content": "\n It is very difficult to give up.",
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"content": "\n Yes. It is difficult, but there is way.",
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"content": "\n There is some ceremony for that.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So this is upādhi. [Hindi] ...I identify myself as Hindu. Yes. Then they would not have not accepted. They would have said, \"We have got Christianity. Why should I accept your Hinduism?\" [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n This sort of distinction was not also clear to us, but now, after hearing you this morning...",
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"content": "\n ...and your ceremony [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Yes. Now, if you go anywhere, if you want to preach Hinduism, why they should be interested in Hinduism? They can hear some words. But we are not talking of Hinduism and Muhammadanism; we are talking on the science of God.",
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"content": "\n The true philosophy.",
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"content": "\n Yes. What is God? What is the conception of God? Oh, they have accepted, there: \"Yes, here it is right conception.\" Yes.",
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"content": "\n Go back to Godhead.",
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"content": "\n Back to Godhead.",
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"content": "\n Go back to Godhead. [conversation among Indians about BTG's] I distributed what I got.",
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"content": "\n No, I shall arrange to distribute. I am getting fifty thousand Back to Godheads. Fifty thousand. I shall distribute. [Hindi conversation]\n[break] [Hindi] We haven't got to present Kṛṣṇa as Indian as Hindu. Kṛṣṇa is neither of them. Kṛṣṇa says, claims, that \"Every living entity is My part and parcel. I am the seed-giving father.\" So therefore it has become successful. I never said that \"You become a Hindu.\" \"You accept Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and try to understand the philosophy.\" What business they have got to become Hindu? But they want to know what is God. Oh, that we have been confident.",
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"content": "\n They are accepting God.",
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"content": "\n Yes. [Hindi] Even if they are puzzled. Although Kṛṣṇa appeared in India.",
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"content": "\n We don't think that He belongs to particular place or [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n That's... They do not understand Kṛṣṇa. [Hindi conversation] Why step by step? If you have to accept Kṛṣṇa, why not immediately? That is intelligence.",
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"content": "\n But you should be...",
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"content": "\n There is no question of \"should be.\" When Kṛṣṇa says, \"I'll give you protection,\" why \"should be\"? You don't believe in Kṛṣṇa. He says, ahaṁ tvaṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣa [Bg. 18.66]. You are doubtful about Kṛṣṇa's capacity. That means you do not know Kṛṣṇa. Yes.",
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"content": "\n But in a part of the one form...",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n But in a part of one form [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n What is that?",
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"content": "\n He means that is beyond his capacity to understand Him.",
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"content": "\n What is the difficulty? Kṛṣṇa says, \"I am everything.\" Why don't you accept Him? That means you want to understand Kṛṣṇa in your own way. Why you are becoming intentionally unable?",
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"content": "\n No, believe Him as you are a servant and serve Him. Or you believe that you are mother to Him. Or you believe that you are [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n No, that is second. First of all surrender. Then what way you shall surrender, that is different thing, another stage, more confidential. First of all there is surrender. First of all you enter this house or this room. Then you ask, \"How can I serve you?\" That is different. First of all there is no surrender, or without surrender, full surrender, there is no entrance in Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nNo entry.",
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"content": "\nNo entry. Because those who revolted against Kṛṣṇa, those who wanted to become Kṛṣṇa by imitating Him, they are here in this material world. Icchā-dveṣa-samutthena sarge yānti parantapa [Bg. 7.27].\n[Hindi] Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate [Bg. 8.19], creation, that all the living entities who have come into this created world, they have revolted. They wanted to become Kṛṣṇa, to imitate Kṛṣṇa. Therefore they have given the chance, \"All right, you become Kṛṣṇa. You do whatever you like. I will give you facility. You want to become Brahmā? All right, you become Brahmā. And you want to become the worm of stool? I will give you the facility.\"\nSo these living entities are rotating. Sometimes he is becoming Brahmā, sometimes becoming the worm of a stool, sometimes this, sometimes that. In this way he is changing body. This is material world. Or when he comes back again, back to Godhead, yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama [Bg. 15.6]. Then you'll haven't got to come back. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya [Bg. 4.9].\nSo we have to prepare for that position, how to go back to home, how to go back to Kṛṣṇa, and engage ourself in His service. Then the question of either as mother or friend or... That will be considered later on. First of all let us try how to enter kingdom of God. That is condition, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ [Bg. 18.66], that \"You surrender unto Me fully, giving up all your other engagement. Then I take charge of you.\" Ahaṁ tvāṁ mokṣayiṣyāmi. Mokṣa is there. For a kṛṣṇa-bhakta is nothing, mokṣa, or liberation. He'll do it. He'll look after it.",
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"content": "\n Thank you very much.",
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"content": "\n [aside:] Ready? All right. [end]",
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"content": "\n ...and I spoke to him, and then he said we could have an interview, and...\n[break] ...Cosmos. It was formerly The New Cosmic Star...",
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"content": "\n I see.",
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"content": "\n ...and we just changed the name for January, the first issue. The first issue just, well, it's out, coming off the printer today.",
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"content": "\n It is published every monthly?",
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"content": "\n Monthly, that's correct. That's correct. And we cover Eastern religions. We did a feature article this month on Bishop James Pike, UFOs, astrology. We have... You know Dr. Bode, Framroze Bode from the theol... He's with Manly Hall. Are you familiar with Manly Hall?",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\nYou don't know Framroze Bode?",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n He's from India. Parsee.",
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"content": "\n Parsee.",
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"content": "\n Yes. He does an article for us next month.\n[break] But I spoke to Dan, and I told him that one of the things I would like to ask you, and I think that an awful lot of our readers, and an awful lot of people in the United States, are terribly confused with the many people who claim to be avatāras and who come from India to this country, one after the other, after the other, and they say...",
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"content": "\n I can declare, they are all nonsense.",
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"content": "\n That's what... I wanted to... If you could elaborate on that a little more.",
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"content": "\n And I can say furthermore, they're all rascals.",
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"content": "\n The Maharishi, for example.",
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"content": "\n He was rascal number one. I say publicly.",
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"content": "\n Could you explain that, give me a little background on that and why, because our readers are...",
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"content": "\n I do not know, but from his behavior I can understand he's rascal number one. I do not like to know about him, but what he did... But the wonderful thing is that people in Western countries, they're supposed to be so advanced. How they are befooled by these rascals?",
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"content": "\n Well, I think that people believe what they want to believe. They're looking for something, and he comes along...",
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"content": "\n Yes. But they want something very cheap. That is their fault.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Now for our disciples, we don't give anything cheap. Our first condition is character, moral character. You see? So unless one is accepting moral character, we don't initiate, don't allow him in this institution. And this Maharishi was, \"Oh, you do whatever you like. You simply pay me thirty-five dollars and I'll give you some mantra.\"\nYou see? So people wanted to be cheated, and so many cheaters come. They do not wish to undergo some disciplinary action. You see? Anything. They have got money. They think that \"I shall pay,\" and immediately he'll get the money.",
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"content": "\n Instant heaven.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is their position. Just like people are trying to go to the moon planet. I have given my opinion. You have seen in the Los Angeles Times? This chance is very remote.",
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"content": "\n Oh?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Why not? Suppose in your country you have got some quota for immigration. Within this planet, if somebody comes, without your Immigration Department's order, nobody can enter. How do you expect in that planet where the people are more advanced—they are called demigods, they are living for ten thousand years—how you expect that you go and you are immediately enter into the moon planet? And they are selling tickets, reservation. Everything, they make a fun of it. You see?",
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"content": "\n Let me understand this if I may. Are you saying that there are people on the moon?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n There are. And they are demigods?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n They are demigods. How do you know that?",
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"content": "\n From our scripture, from Vedic literature.",
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"content": "\n From what literature?",
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"content": "\n Vedic literature.",
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"content": "\n How do you spell that?",
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"content": "\n V-e-d-i-c.",
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"content": "\n Oh, Vedic. I beg your pardon.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n You'll forgive me if I...",
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"content": "\n That's all right, that doesn't...",
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"content": "\n I don't mean to offend you.",
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"content": "\n Sometimes I do not follow your accent. That is difference of country. That doesn't matter. Yes.",
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"content": "\n And from that literature, Vedic literature, it is stated in that, that there are people on the moon.",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes.",
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"content": "\n But they're demigods.",
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"content": "\n The demigods means they are highly advanced than these human beings. They are also living entities like us, but their duration of life, their standard of life, their civilization, spiritual knowledge, so advanced that they are called demigods. Almost God. They are so advanced. Demigods means almost God. They have got all godly qualities, and they are controller of the atmospheric affairs. Some of them are controlling rainy season; some of them controlling heat; some...\nAs you have got controller here, some departmental director of this department, director of that department, similarly, why don't you think that this cosmic manifestation, there is a great brain behind it and there are different directors and there is management? People do not accept it. \"Nature.\" What do you mean by nature? Such nice things, such wonderful things are going on automatically, without any control? You see?",
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"content": "\n Well, I know that's a question that, of course, one asks oneself all the time, I guess. It's part of man's quest to find himself and...",
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"content": "\n But they should have common sense, that you are trying to float one sputnik, so many scientific brains are working, and millions of wonderful sputniks which are called planets, they are floating in the air—there is no brain behind it. What is this? Is that very good reasoning?",
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"content": "\n Well I don't know. I must ponder that.",
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"content": "\n We should know it. How it can be? There must be a very big brain behind this. They are working.",
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"content": "\n Now, do you say that the moon is, so to speak—what should I say—headquarters, where these demigods live?",
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"content": "\n No, there are many planets on the same level. There are many planets. Moon is one of them. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Have any of these demigod creatures visited the earth or...",
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"content": "\n Formerly they used to, because at that time people were worth to see them. You see?",
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"content": "\n When you say formerly, you mean thousands of years ago or...",
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"content": "\n No. At least five thousand years ago.",
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"content": "\n At least five thousand years ago, the last time that any, that we would... Are they in human form?",
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"content": "\n Yes. So far we get information, sometimes great sacrifices were performed, and demigods from other planets, they were invited, and they used to come.",
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"content": "\n Where...? Where...? And this is... Your authority for this statement is based in the Vedic literature?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n I see. I see.",
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"content": "\n It is not manufactured by me.",
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"content": "\n Oh, I know! No! I'm not implying that. No, no. But I just want to know where the...",
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"content": "\n My authority is Vedic literature. Yes. You'll find Bhagavad-gītā... You have seen our book Bhagavad-gītā?",
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"content": "\n Yes. We have it at the office. I've seen it.",
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"content": "\n There are descriptions. There are description of these things. There is description of another nature, which is called spiritual nature. This is material nature. The sky, as far as you can see, this is one universe. Similarly, there are millions of universes. And all these together, that is material sky. Beyond that, there is spiritual sky, which is far, far greater than this. And there are spiritual planets.\nSo this information we have got from Bhagavad-gītā, what to speak of other Vedic literature. Bhagavad-gītā, it is daily read by practically all over the world, but they do not understand it. Simply they become student of Bhagavad-gītā, or simply just to think falsely that \"I am God.\" That's all. They don't take any particular information. There is a verse in the Eighth Chapter, paras tasmāt tu bhāvo 'nyo 'vyakto 'vyaktāt sanātanaḥ [Bg. 8.20]:\n[Yet there is another nature, which is eternal and is transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is annihilated, that part remains as it is.]\nThere is another nature, beyond this material nature, which is eternal. This nature is coming into existence, again dissolution, dissolution. But that nature is eternal. These things are there.\nSimilarly, there, planets are also eternal. There, living entities, they are also eternal. That is called sanātana. Sanātana means eternal: without any end, without any beginning. But this nature, as we have..., this body has got a beginning and it has end, similarly anything, this cosmic nature, has a beginning and it has an end. So our this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is how to transfer ourself to that nature, eternal nature.",
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"content": "\n That's man's quest.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is the quest. Everyone is trying to be happy because that is every living entity's prerogative. He is by nature to become happy, but he does not know where to become happy. He's trying to become happy where four things are, miserable conditions are there, namely birth, death, disease and old age. So many scientist, they are trying to become happy, to make people happy, but which scientist has tried to stop death, to stop old age, to stop disease? Has any scientist tried?",
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"content": "\n I don't know.",
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"content": "\n Then what is this? Why do they not take consideration that \"We are making so much improvement. What improvement we have done about these four things?\" They have no... And still they're very much proud, advanced in education, science. But the four primary miserable conditions, they remain as they are. You see? There may be advancement in medical science, but there is no medicine which can claim, \"No more disease, come on.\" Is there any medicine? So what is that advancement? Rather, disease are increasing in different forms.\nThey have invented nuclear weapon. What is that? To kill. But have you invented something so that no more men will die? That is credit. Man is dying every moment, so you have invented something to accelerate that death. That's all. Is that very, very good credit? So there is no solution of death. There is no... They are trying to stop the, I mean to say, overpopulation. But where is the solution? Every minute, there are three persons increasing. That is the statistics.\nSo there is no solution for birth, there is no solution for death, there is no solution for disease and there is no solution for old age. There was a great scientist, Professor Einstein, he also died in old age. Why did he not stop to check old age? Everyone is trying to remain youthful. Where is that process? So they do not care how to solve this, because this is beyond their means. They are giving something bluff, that's all. They do not care what is the real problem, how to solve it. They do not care for it.\nBut here is a movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There is the real solution of all problems, if people take it seriously. Yes. And the whole thing is described in the Bhagavad-gītā. Let them try to understand it. At least, make an experiment. Why they are so much callous and going in their own way?",
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"content": "\n Let me ask you... I have my opinion, but I want to ask you. Why do you feel that the younger people today are turning more and more toward the Eastern-oriented religions?",
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"content": "\n Because you have failed to give them satisfaction.",
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"content": "\n You what?",
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"content": "\n You have failed to give them satisfaction. Your this materialistic way of life will no more satisfy them. There is a stage, in the beginning, when one is poverty-stricken, he may think that \"Money and woman and good apartment, good car, can give me satisfaction.\" They are after this. But after enjoyment, they see, \"Oh, there is no satisfaction.\" Because matter cannot satisfy you.\nSo your stage is, in America especially, you have got enough for enjoyment. You have got enough food, you have got enough woman, you have got enough wine, you have got enough house. Everything enough. This shows that material advancement cannot give one satisfaction. The confusion and dissatisfaction is more in your country than in India, which is said to be poverty-stricken.\nYou see? But you'll find in India still, although they are poverty-stricken, because they are continuing that old culture, they are not disturbed. Yes. They are dying inch by inch, but still they are satisfied: \"All right.\" You see? Why? Because they have got little tinge of spiritual platform.\nSo it is necessary now that people should take spiritual life. That will make them happy. There is no hope. All these people, they're in darkness. They do not know where they are going. They have no aim. But when you are spiritually situated, you know what you are doing, where you are going, what is your future. Everything is clear. You see?",
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"content": "\n So I'll just follow up on this very briefly. In other words, you feel that the Western-oriented church, whether it be the synagogue or a church, has failed to present... Would you say that its message is not relevant, or that they have failed to present their message properly?",
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"content": "\n No. The thing is, these Western churches, just like Christianity, these gospels were spoken long, long ago to the primitive men. You see? Jerusalem. These people were living in desert, and they were not so much advanced. So at that time... Of course, in Bible or in the Old Testament, the idea of God is there. That is all nice. But they... Just like the statement, \"God created this world.\"\nThat is a fact. Now those people who are not advanced in those... Now, at the present moment, people are advanced scientifically. They want to know how the creation has taken place. You see? That explanation is not there, neither the church can give them. You see. Therefore they are not satisfied. Simply officially going to the church and offering prayer, that does not appeal to them.\nBesides that, practically, they do not follow religious principles. Just like in the Old Testament there is, I mean to say, Ten Commandments, and there is commandment that \"Thou shall not kill.\" But killing affair is very prominent in the Christian world. They are maintaining slaughterhouse very regularly, and they have manufactured a theory that animals have no soul, they do not feel—because they have to kill.\n\"Give the dog a bad name and hang it.\" Why animal cannot feel? Why you are committing these sinful activities? So the priestly class, they will not also say, they will not discuss; everyone is silent. That means deliberately, I mean to say, disobeying Ten Commandments.\nSo where is religious principle? If you don't obey the commandments of your scripture, does it mean that you are following religion nicely? How you can kill which you cannot create? And it is plainly stated that, \"Thou shall not kill.\" What is the answer? Why they are killing? What is the answer? How do you answer it?",
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"content": "\n Are you asking me?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Well, its, obviously, \"Thou shalt not kill\" is an ethic, and it's timeless and it's valid. But man is not really interested in...",
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"content": "\n They are not interested in religion. It is simply a make-show, show bottle. Then how they can be happy? If you do not follow the regulative principles, then where is your religion?",
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"content": "\n I'm not arguing with you. I couldn't agree with you more. I'm in total agreement. It doesn't make any sense. \"Thou shalt not kill,\" \"Thou shalt worship no other Gods before Me,\" \"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's ass,\" \"Thy shall honor thy father and thy mother,\" those are beautiful ethics, but they're not obeyed.",
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"content": "\n \"Thou shall not kidnap your neighbor's wife.\"",
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"content": "\n Wife, covet.",
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"content": "\n So who is following this?",
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"content": "\n No one. Very few.",
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"content": "\n You see? So how you can expect they're religious. And without religion, human society is animal society.",
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"content": "\n All right, but let me ask you this: Along this line... Now I'm not asking you...",
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"content": "\n Take it. Take it.",
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"content": "\n Thank you. I'm not asking you any of these questions facetiously. Please understand. What does your interpretation..., or how does it differ in principle from the basic Jewish-Christian ethic of the Ten Commandments? How does it differ?",
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"content": "\n There is no difference.",
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"content": "\n All right. Then if that's the case, what have you to offer... When I say \"you,\" I mean it impersonally.",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes.",
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"content": "\n Basically, what have you to offer that is different than the Christian ethos or the Jewish ethos?",
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"content": "\n Because, as I told you, that none of them are strictly following God's commandment. I simply come that \"You follow God's commandment.\" That is my message.",
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"content": "\n In other words, \"You obey those principles.\"",
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"content": "\n I don't say that \"You Christian, you become Hindu\" or \"You come to me.\" I simply say, \"You obey this commandment.\" That is my order. I make you better Christian. That is my mission. I don't say that \"God is not there; God is here,\" but I simply say that \"You obey God.\"\nThat is my mission. I don't say that you have to come to this platform and accept Kṛṣṇa as God and no other. No. I don't say. I say, \"Please obey God. Please try to love God.\" That is my mission. And I give the way how to love God very easily. How to love, provided you agree.",
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"content": "\n Well, see, again we get back to this...",
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"content": "\n So practically you follow that I have no difference.",
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"content": "\n Yes, I understand. I appreciate.",
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"content": "\n Yes. You believe in God, I believe in God. I simply say, \"You try to love God.\"",
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"content": "\n Well, I... I'm still... It's not that I'm confused. I understand what you're saying...",
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"content": "\n You are confused still?",
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"content": "\n No. No. I understand what you are saying. What confuses me, or makes it... When I say \"me,\" and so many of our readers, is why is it...? Let me ask the question again. Let me ask it maybe to become clear in my mind. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but let me say it this way.\nAre you saying that if your mission and the mission of the Jewish, Christian, Western ethic is the same, again let me ask the same question: why is it that the younger people, or people in general, are disenchanted, are trying to go toward the Eastern-oriented religions if their aim or premise is the same as the Western. Why are they going toward the Eastern if the premise is the same?",
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"content": "\n Because these Christian people, they are not teaching them practically. I am teaching them practically.",
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"content": "\n In other words, you're teaching them what you feel is a practical, everyday, daily method of obtaining this fulfillment of man's spirit.",
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"content": "\n Yes. How to... The love of Godhead is being taught by Bible or Old Testament and Gītā, that is all right. But you are not teaching them how to love God. I am teaching them how to love God. That is the difference. Therefore young people are attracted.",
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"content": "\n All right. So the end is the same. It's the method of getting there.",
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"content": "\n Not method. You are not at all following, even the method is there. Just as I say, the method is there, \"Don't kill,\" and you are killing.",
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"content": "\n I see, but your... The end is the same. Your end...",
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"content": "\n End is the same.",
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"content": "\n ...is the same, but it's the way...",
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"content": "\n Method is also same, but they are not teaching people to follow the method. I am teaching them practically how to follow and how to do it.",
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"content": "\n Let me ask you something that we've run into a great deal just recently. We've just started a youth supplement for kids. And one of the most... What should I say? That particular thing which provides perhaps the biggest schism between man's, or at least American man's and woman's, love of God or the following of the Ten Commandments is the problem, how shall I put it, well, the sexual problem.\nWe here in this country are taught, and we have the Puritan background, that sex is a bad thing. And hopefully, we're coming out of it. But when young people, a person reaches the age of puberty—here in this country; I don't know from other countries—he begins to have a terrible..., obviously a terrible problem. Now I'm stating something that's obvious. We've all gone through this.\nBut it seems that is has been impossible for the Western churches to give to the young people something to hold on to so that they can understand, number one, that what they're feeling is a normal, beautiful thing, and number two, how to cope with it. And there is nothing in Western culture that teaches or helps a young person to cope with this thing that is a very, very difficult problem. And I went through it. We all have. Now, do you, in your message, give the young people something to hold...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...to hang onto, and if so, what?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes, I give.",
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"content": "\n What?",
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"content": "\n I ask all my disciples to get married. I don't allow these boys living with boyfriend, girlfriend. No. You must get yourself married, live like gentlemen, treat your wife as assistant, treat your husband as your provider. In this way, I am teaching them.\nThis boy was married just four days before. He is professor. So I have got so many of my disciples married, and they are living very happily. This girl is married. Formerly, they were living with girlfriend, boyfriend. I don't allow that. I don't allow that.",
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"content": "\n Well, let's... Let me get a little more basic. How about when someone is fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old?",
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"content": "\n The same thing. Of course, another thing is that we teach our boys to become brahmacārī. Brahmacārī. Brahmacārī means how to live the life of celibacy.",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n Just Howard explain brahmacārī life.",
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"content": "\n Yes, I understand.\n Well, it's control of the senses, and he teaches us how to control the senses. Generally, marriage doesn't take place until a boy is about twenty-two, twenty-three, twenty-five.\n You mean in his culture.",
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"content": "\n Yes. We select girl, say, about sixteen, seventeen years old, and boys not more than twenty-four years old. I get them married. You see? And because their attention is diverted to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they have very little interest simply for sex life. You see? They have got better engagement. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate [Bg. 2.59].\n[The embodied soul may be restricted from sense enjoyment, though the taste for sense objects remains. But, ceasing such engagements by experiencing a higher taste, he is fixed in consciousness.]\nYou see? We give substitute. We simply don't say that \"You don't do it,\" but we give something better. You see? Then automatically the \"don't\" automatically comes. You see?",
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"content": "\n At the right time.",
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"content": "\n Immediately. We give something better engagement.",
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"content": "\n What is this?",
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"content": "\n Just like our boys and girls, they are all engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness business—in temple work, in painting, in typing, in recording, so many things. And they are happy. They are not going to cinema, they are not going to club, they are not drinking, they are not smoking.\nSo practically I am training them how to control. And there is possibility, because these boys and girls, they are all Americans. They are not imported from India. Why they have taken to this? The system is so nice that they have liked it. So if you spread this system, everything will be solved.",
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"content": "\n So, well, then it...",
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"content": "\n We don't prohibit that you don't mix with woman or you stop sex life. We don't say that. But we make everything regulated under Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Their aim is higher. These are all secondary platform. So in this way, everything is nice.",
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"content": "\n Is this what Gandhi did?",
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"content": "\n Huh? What Gandhi knew? He was a politician. He did not know anything about this culture.",
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"content": "\n Well, I read that when he was thirty-six years old he became a celibate, and that was it.",
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"content": "\n That is... Of course, he had some Hindu cultural ideas. That is nice. He began celibacy. That's all right. But Gandhi had no very advanced spiritual ideas. You see? He was more or less politician, statesman. Yes. That's all.",
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"content": "\n Yes. A very courageous man. Well, the answer seems very pat, so to speak, and if it's that...",
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"content": "\n Now, if you cooperate, then I can change the whole thing in your country. They will be very happy. Their everything will be very nice. This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is so nice—provided you cooperate. Nobody is cooperating.\nSimply these boys, they have kindly come to me and cooperating. So my movement is progressing, but very slowly. But if the leaders of the American people, they come and they try to understand and they try to introduce this system, oh, your country will be the nicest country in the world.",
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"content": "\n [to Hayagrīva:] You... How long have you been involved with this?\n Two and a half years.\n Two and a half years? How old are you, if I may ask?\n I'm twenty-eight.\n You're twenty-eight. Now, has this sort of turned you around?\n Ah, considerably. [laughs]\n From a practical standpoint, how is this sexual thing that the Svāmī was talking about, how has this affected you? Have you found that there is efficacy in that which has been..., we were just talking about? 'Cause to me it's a very paramount problem in terms of young people.\n Well, there are desires, and we have so many desires. And the sexual desire is perhaps one of our strongest desires. So...",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes.",
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"content": "\n So these desires are channeled, so to speak. They are redirected, and they are directed toward Kṛṣṇa.\n Well, I understand that, but I'm saying is it efficacious? Does it work?\n Yes, it works. It works. But you have to stick with it. It can be very difficult, especially at first, but it works. You have to resolve to make it work. You have to want it to work.\n I want to understand this thoroughly. In other words, it's nothing that you feel that you're giving up.\n No. It's that when you see something better...\n That's what I'm... That's what I mean. That's...",
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"content": "\n Yes. You are accepting something better.",
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"content": "\n Better. That's, yes. Not by just biting your tongue or your lip, saying, \"I won't touch it, I won't touch it.\" There is a substitute.\n It's not... You're not... You have a capacity for enjoyment, and you're not going to give up something... It's very human not to give up something unless you have something better. So the case is that you have to get something better than what you want to give up.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n How long have you been here, sir?",
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"content": "\n I came here in September 1965. And then I was little indisposed in May 1967, I think. Then I went back to India. Then again I came back in December 1967, just one year past.",
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"content": "\n Yes, I see. Why did you come here?",
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"content": "\n Because I want to give this culture to the world, and my idea is that America is advanced country; if they accept it, then it will be possible to broadcast the idea throughout the whole world. That is my idea. But I am hopeful now, because these educated young Americans, they are taking serious interest to this movement. And we are publishing papers, books, and they are writing very nicely.\nSo I am old man—I may die—but I have implanted the idea. It will go on. It will go on, and they will be accepted. That experiment is done. If it is nicely propagated, then it will be accepted without any fail. And these boys who have come to me, they have taken seriously. So I am hopeful.",
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"content": "\n I saw your magazine. It's a beautiful magazine.",
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"content": "\n Back to Godhead?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. A beautiful magazine.",
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"content": "\n Thank you very much. Thank you.",
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"content": "\n Beautiful thing. Where is that done?",
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"content": "\n It is published in New York.",
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"content": "\n In New York. I saw the latest issue. Beautiful. Ah, how many people are in the movement, if I may ask? Approximately?",
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"content": "\n I have got about a little more than one hundred disciples who are strictly following my regulative principles.",
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"content": "\n One hundred.",
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"content": "\n Yes. In different branches. I have got about thirteen branches. Some of the disciples are working in London.",
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"content": "\nIn London.",
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"content": "\nYes. They are doing very nice. They are all married couples. I got them married. Yes. I got them married. They're young boys, all within thirty. My oldest disciple, he is twenty-eight. Otherwise, twenty-five, twenty-four. Utmost thirty.\nAnd similarly, girls; you have seen this girl. You see. So I get them, make them happy in married life. Their mentality is... They are not after so-called puffed-up life. They can live very simply, with the least demand of bodily necessities, but thinking very high of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo I am very hopeful that even I die... Because I am old man, seventy-three years old. I may die at any moment. But I am now assured my movement will go on. These boys will carry it. That, my mission, is in that way successful. I came here with this idea, that this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement should be started from America.\nBecause anything accepted by America, people follow, because America is considered to be the... Actually, America is not a poverty-stricken country. So they can very easily understand; they can take it. And there are many confused youths. So with all these consideration, I came here, and I think I'm successful. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Doesn't seem like very many converts in that amount of time. How many followers other... [sneezes] Pardon me, please.",
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"content": "\n That's all right.",
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"content": "\n How many followers are there, then, within...? Just a hundred?",
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"content": "\n Little more than hundred.",
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"content": "\n These are initiates, who are strictly following. Of course, there are more and more people come to the temples. More people join us.\n How many temples are there?",
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"content": "\n We have got thirteen temples.",
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"content": "\n How many?",
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"content": "\nThirteen. One in this Los Angeles, one San Francisco, one New York, one Santa Fe, one Buffalo, one Boston, one Montreal, one Vancouver, and...",
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"content": "\nSeattle.",
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"content": "\n...Seattle...",
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"content": "\nColumbus.",
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"content": "\n...Columbus, and then London, Hamburg. In this way there are... Hawaii.",
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"content": "\n Well, there's got to be more than a hundred people in thirteen temples. More than a hundred?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes, more than a hundred. Yes. About a...",
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"content": "\n I don't know.",
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"content": "\n Yes, I have got list. There are more than hundred.",
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"content": "\n Must be at least, because that would only be an average of ten per temple.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Here we have got about twenty heads in this temple.",
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"content": "\n About twenty here. Where does the money come from to print Godhead?",
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"content": "\n God sends. [laughs]",
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"content": "\n Well, yes, I was pretty sure of that, but God doesn't write checks and stuff like that. I'm just sort of curious. And I must say that one of...",
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"content": "\n God dictates you, and you pay. That's all.",
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"content": "\n I must say that that answer to that question is a very ambivalent answer.",
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"content": "\n [chuckling] Yes. I came here... You will be surprised. I came here with seven dollars only, and the whole establishment expenditure is not less than, I think, five thousand dollars monthly. At least.",
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"content": "\n That's sixty thousand a year. What I mean, is it donated?",
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"content": "\n Five thousand is very minimal. I think it is more than that.",
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"content": "\n I have no idea.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Because we are paying... This temple, we are paying four hundred, simply rent. Similarly, each and every place we are paying three hundred, four hundred, rent.",
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"content": "\n Well, do people come to the services who are not disciples and devotees?",
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"content": "\n Yes. No, we allow everyone, \"Come on, chant. Take prasādam.\" We offer this prasādam. \"Chant, dance, hear Bhagavad-gītā and take prasādam, and go home.\"",
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"content": "\n In other words, if they want to donate something, they donate.",
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"content": "\n Yes. We ask donation, that \"We are simply depending on donation. If you like, you can pay.\" People pay. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Is that how the magazine is published?",
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"content": "\n Magazine also, we take to the market and put it for sale. People purchase. So actually we have no steady fund.",
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"content": "\n Oh, you don't.",
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"content": "\n No. We simply depending on Kṛṣṇa. But by the grace of Kṛṣṇa, our movement is increasing. It is not decreasing.",
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"content": "\n That's good. That's fine. I am just, you know, I am curious about this, because it's a beautiful magazine.",
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"content": "\n So try to help us.",
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"content": "\n Pardon?",
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"content": "\n Try to help this movement. Your America, there are so many rich men. If somebody comes and helps this movement, one or two, we can make very steady progress. We have no money. We are struggling very hard. You see? This boy is a professor in the Ohio University. So whatever he's earning, he's spending for this.\nSimilarly, all the boys, whatever they earn, they spend. But that is not sufficient, you see? We require to make propaganda. We cannot sufficiently publish this magazine. We want to publish it at least fifty thousand per month, but there is no money. You see? We are publishing utmost five thousand. [conchshell blowing]",
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"content": "\n Who's blowing the shofar?\n Conchshell.",
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"content": "\n Conchshell.",
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"content": "\n I thought it was a shofar.",
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"content": "\n What is that?",
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"content": "\n Shofar.",
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"content": "\nChauffeur? No?",
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"content": "\n The Jewish ram's horn.",
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"content": "\n This conchshell sounding is considered auspicious. Yes. Actually it is conchshell sounding. Yes. So after offering prayer to the Lord, we bugle this conchshell.",
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"content": "\n I guess I've really asked the main question. Not the main question, but the thing I want to know was, again, was why this..., and about people like the Maharishi, which turned me off and so many people. My daughter was very involved in that kind of thing for awhile, and she's terribly disillusioned.",
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"content": "\n Yes. The psychology is that your people, all the Western people, especially youngsters, they are hankering after something. You see? But the difficulty is... Just like me. If somebody comes, \"Swāmījī, initiate me,\" I immediately say that \"You have to follow these four principles,\" oh, he goes away. And this Maharishi, he did not put any restriction. You see? Just like a physician, if he says that \"You can do whatever you like. You simply take my medicine, you'll be cured,\" that physician will be very much liked. You see?",
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"content": "\n Yes. He'll kill a lot of people, but he's very liked.",
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"content": "\n Yes. [laughs] And a physician which says, \"Oh, you cannot do this, you cannot do this, you cannot eat this,\" it is a botheration. So they want something. That is a fact. But at the same time, they want it very cheap. Therefore the cheaters come and cheat them. They take the opportunity: \"These people want to be cheated. Oh, let us take the advantage.\" You see?\nOtherwise, they are advising that \"You are God. Everyone is God. You just realize yourself. You have forgotten. You take this mantra, and you become God, and you become powerful. Whatever you like, you can control.\" And there is no control of senses: \"You can drink, you can have unrestricted sex life and whatever you like.\"\nPeople like this. \"Oh, simply by fifteen minutes' meditation, I shall become God, and I have to pay only thirty-five dollars.\" So, many millions of people will be ready, \"Oh, let me.\" I need, thirty-five dollars in your country is not... But that much, thirty-five multiplied by million, it becomes thirty-five million dollars. [laughs]\nAnd we are crying here, because we cannot bluff. We say that if you actually want, you have to follow these restriction. We cannot allow you that the commandment is \"You shall not kill,\" and I shall say, \"Yes, you can kill. The animal has no feeling. The animal has no soul.\" We cannot bluff in this way. You see?",
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"content": "\n Well that's just about it, that I wanted to know. It's a shame that this kind of thing, as I say, has turned off an awful lot of kids, a lot of very disenchanted young people, because...",
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"content": "\n So please try to help us. This movement is very nice. It will help the humanity. It will help your country, the whole human society. It is a genuine movement. There is nothing bluff, nothing cheating. It is authorized. So I'll request you, because...",
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"content": "\n Authorized by whom?",
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"content": "\n Authorized from Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Is there in India a licensing body by the state for people to preach or to... How in the heck would you say it here?",
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"content": "\n It was not there, because in India there are so many churches, and they're supposed to be very saintly person. So simply to become a disciple of a saintly person is sufficient certificate. Just like in your country, marriage requires certificate.\nIn India, still, there is no certificate. The boys and girls, they are seated, and before the relatives and priest and elderly person, they are offered. I am doing that. There is no certificate. But still their connection is lifelong. What certificate will do?\nThat ceremony is so nice, the wife takes \"My husband for life\" and the husband takes wife, \"She is my companion for life.\" They cannot separate. There is no history in India that there was a certificate issued. No. But still, their connection is so nice, that lifelong. N\now, they are being Westernized, especially I am very sorry to say that lately our so-called Westernized leaders, they are introducing this Hindu code bill, this marriage certificate, this and that. But formerly they weren't existing.",
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"content": "\n Is there much divorce in India?",
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"content": "\n Yes. The modern, so-called advanced boys and girls, they are now after divorce.",
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"content": "\n But before that...",
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"content": "\nBut before that, even there was misunderstanding between husband and wife, quarrel, there was no question of divorce. Take for my life, practical. I was a householder. Now I have given up. So practically I did not agree with my wife, but there was no dream of divorcing. You see? Neither she dreamt, neither I dreamt. This was unknown. Now they are being introduced.",
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"content": "\n Yeah. Western culture.",
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"content": "\n Ah, yes.",
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"content": "\n Do you have much of a following in India itself?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Not my personal, but my other Godbrothers, this cult is very good.",
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"content": "\n How many..., how many...",
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"content": "\n Oh, millions. We have got, this Vaiṣṇava philosophy, the Kṛṣṇa consciousness, millions and millions. Almost all. Eighty percent. You ask any Indian, and he'll talk so many things about Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He may not be my disciple, but there are many saintly person like me, they are doing this business.",
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"content": "\n Did you get formal training with a...",
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"content": "\n Yes, I was initiated by my Guru Mahārāja. His..., here is that, my spiritual master's photo.",
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"content": "\n Oh, I see.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So when your country wanted a certificate for making me permanent resident, so I got a certificate from my Godbrothers that I am initiated. That's all. But otherwise, in our country, there is no necessity of certificate.",
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"content": "\n In other words, there's nothing like going to a seminary in India, where you go to a seminary or a monastery and take a course for four years...",
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"content": "\n No, this is monastery. Yes, there is a monastery. We have got institution, Gauḍīya Math Institution. They have got hundreds of branches. Yes.",
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"content": "\n You go for a prescribed course of study?",
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"content": "\n Yes, prescribed course of study, these two, three books, that's all. Anyone can read—Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam or Caitanya-caritāmṛta. You'll learn everything. You haven't got to learn so many huge volumes of books.\nBecause Bhagavad-gītā is such nice book, if you can understand one line, you advance hundred years. You see? So, I mean to say, meaningful and so solid. Therefore we have published this Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. Let your people read it, let them question, and try to understand what is this movement.",
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"content": "\n Macmillan is publishing this one.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Macmillan is publishing.",
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"content": "\n Now, when you... Do you go to this institute for a certain period of time?",
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"content": "\n There is no fixed period. No. But, say, for me, I was trained... My father was of this line...",
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"content": "\n Oh, your father...",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. My father trained me from childhood. Yes. And then I met my spiritual master in 1922, and I was initiated in 19... On the whole there was a background, because as I told you, eighty, ninety percent people are Kṛṣṇa conscious by family-wise. You see?\nSo we were trained up from the beginning of our life. Officially, of course, I accepted my spiritual master in 1933. Since then, I had some background, and since I met, I developed this idea. Yes.",
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"content": "\n I see, I see. So you have been, in a sense, spreading this word since 1933 on your own.",
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"content": "\n No. I'm spreading as missionary since nineteen hundred..., practically since '59.",
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"content": "\n Fifty-nine. I see. What did you do from the time...",
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"content": "\n I was a householder. I was doing business in medicine. Formerly, I was manager in a big chemical firm. But I was cultivating this knowledge although I was householder. I was publishing this Back to Godhead...",
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"content": "\n So you were publishing that...",
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"content": "\n In India.",
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"content": "\n Oh, I see.",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes. I started in 1947, under the order of my spiritual master. So whatever I was earning, I was spending. Yes. I was not getting any return, but I was distributing. So I was doing this business since a long time. But actually, after giving up all connection with my family, I'm doing this work since 1959.",
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"content": "\n Do you have children?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. I have got grown-up boys.",
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"content": "\n You just left them?",
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"content": "\n Yes. I have got my wife, my grandchildren, everyone, but I have no connection with them. They are doing their own way. My wife is entrusted to the elderly boys. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Well, is that a...? I mean, I find that sort of difficult to assimilate, to give up your family and just sort of say, \"See you later.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes, that is the Vedic regulation. Everyone should give up family connection at a certain age, after the age of fifty. One should not remain in family life. That is Vedic culture. Not that up to death one is in family-wise. No. That is not good.",
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"content": "\n Can you explain that?",
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"content": "\n First of all, a boy is trained as brahmacārī, spiritual life. Then he is advised not to enter family life. But if he is unable to control his sex life, he is allowed, \"All right. You get yourself married.\" Then he remains in family life. So he marries at the age of twenty-four or twenty-five. Twenty-five years, let him enjoy sex life. In the meantime, he gets some elderly children.\nSo at the age of fifty, the husband and wife goes away from the home and they travel in all places of pilgrimage, just to detach them from family affection. In this way, when the man is little more advanced, he asks his wife that \"You go and take care of the family, and your sons, grown-up, they'll take care of you. Let me take sannyāsa.\" So he becomes alone and preaches the knowledge which he has acquired.\nThis is Vedic civilization. Not that a man should remain in family life from birth to death. No. In Buddhism also there is compulsory regulative principle that a Buddhist must become a sannyāsī at least for ten years.",
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"content": "\n Hmm. I didn't know that.",
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"content": "\nYes. Because the whole idea is how to attain spiritual perfection. So if one remains in his family life, encumbered, he cannot make any spiritual advancement. But if the family also, whole family, is Kṛṣṇa conscious, then it is helpful. But that is very rare. Because the husband may be Kṛṣṇa conscious, the wife may not be. But the culture was so nice that everyone remained Kṛṣṇa conscious.",
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"content": "\n Do you think that, really, from a very practical standpoint, do you think that your movement has a chance to make it here in America?",
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"content": "\n So far I've seen it has great chance. What do you think?",
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"content": "\n [to Hayagrīva:] From a very pragmatic standpoint, what do you think? Really?\n Yes, it has possibilities. I don't know about on a wide scale, but it definitely has possibilities. Especially in, I think in these areas, in the cities.\n Cosmopolitan areas.\n Of course, we're also starting a community in West Virginia.\n You are? Why West Virginia?\n Well, this is where we're starting. I've just started it with others' help.\n You're starting it?",
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"content": "\n He has secured a land, about 138 acres.",
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"content": "\n May I ask you why you picked West Virginia? [break]\n Well, it's mountainous and it's very economical living there.\n Yes, it is mountainous. Well, I mean there's mountains here, too. I'm not being facetious. Again, I'm just curious.\n No, it's very economical living there, and it's also nicely located because we have temples in New York and in other areas in the east. So it's sort of, like, between the east and the west, so it's sort of centrally...",
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"content": "\n And one thing is that main supporter is he. He is working in Ohio University. He's nearer.",
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"content": "\n Where are you?\n In the Ohio..., Ohio State University.\n That's where you teach? How come you're not teaching now?\n Well, I'm... This is Christmas vacation.\n Oh, you're on vacation. You have tickets to the ball game?\n No.\n Oh. What the heck. I come all the way down here, and you can't get me a ticket to the ball game.\n Ohio State. Yes, they're playing the game here.\n Do you think?\n I know. That Rose Bowl game.\n Yeah, I would feel that you had not attained that level of being out of it yet that you wouldn't know that. I really think I've asked most of the questions that I want to ask. I really sort of knew the answers—the ultimate of the answer, that is. I can't really think of much else to say or to ask.\nHave you anything that you'd like to say that may be of some kind of revelation to me or to our readers, or something that... You know, what you're really saying, there's no easy way out. [laughs] If man is to attain any goal in his quest for fulfillment, he's got to work at it, is really what it amounts to. So your message is really no different from that of Moses or Christ or any of the other great religious leaders. If people will follow the ethic of the Ten Commandments, and follow it, that's where it is.",
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"content": "\n We ask people... That. We don't say that \"You give up your this religion. You come to us.\" But at least you follow your own principles. And... Just like a student. Sometimes in India it happens that they, although they have passed M.A. examination in Indian university, they come to foreign university to study more. So why does he come? To get more enlightenment.\nSimilarly, any religious scripture you may follow, but if you get more enlightenment here in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, why should you not accept it if you are serious about God? Why should you say, \"Oh, I am Christian,\" \"I am Jew. I cannot attend your meeting\"? Why should you say, \"Oh, I cannot allow you to speak in my church\"? If I am speaking about God, what objection you have got?",
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"content": "\n Well, I couldn't agree with you more. I'm sure you know, and I'm certainly aware, that it's only recently that, for example, a Catholic couldn't even come in here because of some other church. That's changed.",
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"content": "\n Now I have written one letter to Pope. You have seen that? [aside:] Where is that paper?",
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"content": "\n It's in here.\n Oh, a letter to the Pope. Did he answer it?",
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"content": "\n I have not received any answer. [aside:] Is it in this paper? No, not in this paper. Where is the latest? Who is there? Ask to bring one latest. Bring one latest.",
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"content": "\n One's coming.",
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"content": "\nYes. So we just [sent] that letter, but unfortunately, I have received no reply. How is that?",
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"content": "\n I guess he doesn't figure that you're of sufficient importance for him to deign a reply, I guess. That's about the way I figure it. They don't..., are inclined not to give credence to too much that isn't of his own doing or making or something.",
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"content": "\n Do you think that is very nice? Just... Will you read or..., read this. Read it. [pause]",
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"content": "\n What is the \"renounced order\"?",
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"content": "\n Renounced, this is renounced. I have no family connection.",
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"content": "\n Oh, oh. [pause as journalist reads letter]",
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"content": "\n I used to cooperate with everyone, but they are declining. What can I do? I am prepared to talk with any God conscious man. Let us chalk out a program so that people may be benefited. But they want to go in their own stereotyped way. The Pope himself is harassed by the contraceptive proposal. People want sanction from him to use unrestricted contraceptive method.\n[break] If we see that following a particular type of religious principle one is developing his love of Godhead, that is first-class religion. But if one is developing his love for demon or mammon, then where is the religion?",
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"content": "\n True. Eh, no.",
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"content": "\n [laughs] You see. That is our test. If you have developed... We don't say that you follow Christianism or Muhammadanism or Jewism or Hinduism—we don't say. Whether you are developing your love of Godhead. But they deny, \"Oh, I am God. Who is God? I am God.\" You see? Everyone is taught nowadays that everyone is God. Just see how fun. Everyone is God. Do you think like that?",
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"content": "\n You know from Meher Baba?",
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"content": "\n He is also another rascal. He is preaching this, that everyone is God.",
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"content": "\n He says he's God.",
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"content": "\n He's God. Just see. This is going on.",
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"content": "\n Do you know him? Have you ever seen him?",
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"content": "\n I have heard his name. I don't care to know these people. He's making some propaganda he's God.",
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"content": "\n He says he hasn't spoken in forty years, forty-five years.",
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"content": "\n That means people do not know what is God. Suppose if I come to you, if I say I am President Johnson, will you accept me?",
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"content": "\n No, [laughing] I don't think I would.",
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"content": "\n But these people, rascals, will accept him as God because they do not know what is God. That is the defect. We know what is God; therefore we cannot accept any rascal declaring that he's God. That is the difference.",
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"content": "\n Well it's just absolutely absurd that somebody comes out and tells you he's God.",
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"content": "\n But how much rascal he is who accepts him as God. He's rascal number one. He is a cheater, and the man who is cheated, he is also another rascal. He does not know what is God. Anybody comes as God, as God has become so cheap it can be available in the market, everywhere.",
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"content": "\n Well, of course, the Western concept that man is created in the image of God, consequently God must look like man, kind of thing, therefore any man can be God or...",
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"content": "\n That's all right. You have got so many scientists. Just find out what is the image of God, whether his form is not... Where is that department? You have no such department. You have got so many department, technology department, this department. Where is that department what is God to know? Is there any department of knowledge?",
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"content": "\n I don't know if... There's no God department working tonight, I'll tell you that right now.",
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"content": "\n That is the difficulty. And here is. Here is. The Kṛṣṇa conscious movement is the department of knowledge how to know God. Then he will not accept any rascal as God; he will accept only God as God.",
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"content": "\nI dont suppose it comes under the Department of Defence.",
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"content": "\nI am simply surprised that how people accept any man, who comes and proposes that I am God you are God. They have know conception. In this paper also there is interview with that boy. What is that boy? He said everyone is God. If everyone is God then what is the meaning of God?",
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"content": "\nWell as I say I couldn't agree with you more, but ah, sure its amazing to me—see that's why I come to ask you. You know what, what is all this thing about. We get... In our paper, we must have. I couldn't tell you how many letters. If we have a disciples of—of guys you never—you know every week there is another guy that's coming down the pike you know. Here comes God he's got this to say and this ones got this to say and this ones got this to say. Meher Baba so they are running out your ears. You know they are all over the place.",
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"content": "\nMeher Baba is here?",
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"content": "\nNo, no he's not here. But, I mean I'm talking about we have readers who are constantly making us aware of this Avatar and that Avatar, Avatar, Avatar, Avatar you know you get tired of it after awhile. Oh my God!",
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"content": "\nSo at least this is a place where you want get such ideas. We don't say like that.",
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"content": "\nIt's terrible and its an indication to me... Of course, that doesn't make me any genius and dunce can figure this out. But, its an indication of a terrible situation in terms of confusion. People are searching very, very much and they don't want to record our office in a state of panic.",
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"content": "\nSo what do you think of us? What do you think of us? What is your...",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n What is my opinion?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Well I think you have got. You know what you are saying is nice and it's meaningful. But I don't think its any more than what perhaps the Code of Hammurabi or what Moses got from God on Sinai or what Jesus Christ said, its...",
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"content": "\n Yes, every God conscious person will say the same thing. Every God conscious person will say that God is worshipable. He does not pose himself as God, you see. Actually one is—one who is actually God conscious he will never say that I am God. He will say just love God or worship God, that is the difference.",
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"content": "\n Yeah, well that's you know. My particular religious beliefs are. I've always been considered a black sheep anyway. I'm sort of considered an odd duck, I don't care everybody's can have his own thing thats his own bag. Fine, of course, it's difficult for me make any kind of a judgment about your particular kind of a thing. It would hardly be worthy of me to sit here and make a judgment. But, based on what you told me your message is love. That's all you are preaching is love is that right.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That's all, love of God. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Love of God. And through God in the manifestation the purest thing that man can be. This what God is and I'm all for that. I think that's great. It beats the hell out of Vietnam I'll tell you that right now. I like it, its great.",
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"content": "\n So please try to help us, this movement.",
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"content": "\n Well I certainly shall. I'll certainly put this in the paper and if it helps through that particular medium why I, I you know that would please me. You have certainly been very kind and I appreciate talking to you and I'd be most anxious to see what becomes of the movement say in six months Do you intend to stay here in Los Angeles or are you traveling?",
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"content": "\n I am traveling but I am still here. At least for one or two months.",
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"content": "\n I see. But, you will go from Temple to Temple?",
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"content": "\nYes I am preparing to go to Hawaii, then I may come back again here and from here I may go to New Vrindavan and then there, from there I may go to London because I have got so many branches. So I have to travel.",
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"content": "\n I see. Now when you... so who is heading up the various, the other twelve.",
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"content": "\n All my students just like yes. I train my and give in charge and he conducts.",
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"content": "\n I see. Is there a formalized service?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n Oh yes.",
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"content": "\n Conducted daily or...",
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"content": "\n Daily twice.",
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"content": "\n Oh twice a day.",
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"content": "\n Not twice rather four, five times, yes.",
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"content": "\n I see. I see. Very interesting.",
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"content": "\n We are living in God. Simply not...",
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"content": "\n You are doing a daily thing.",
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"content": "\n Yes. We are eating Gods prasādam. We are talking of God, singing of God.",
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"content": "\n I will say this. It's a little different. The scriptures are somewhat different. Scriptures are more complete and I think more intellectually satisfying to modern man than say the other scriptures which tend to be somewhat historical.\nYou mean you are talking about the Testaments. This is apposed to the Western Testaments you mean.\n There more scientific than the ones...\n You talking about a la the Adam and Eve story kind of thing you mean.\n Yes as opposed to that kind of a story. These are more timeless in one sense. In other words, it's as timely now.\n It's as meaningful right now.\n You don't have to have any historical background at all. So in that sense, it's more complete it tells you more about what your relationship is within the universes. What God's relationship is to the universe, in this way.\n Does it assume is it all premised upon a belief in God?\n Oh yes. All this is belief but its actual—actually tells you going to experience this.\n In others words, if one does not believe in God and he picked this up he could, he could experience this to prove then for himself that there was one.\n Whether he believes it or not it tells him how in other words whether he believes its New York City or not it tells him how to get there by following this such and such... there are so many ways about four or five ways in Bhagavad-gītā how you can get to Kṛṣṇa.\nAnd there are different ways for people with differant types of human nature. So if one way doesn't work for one man another way will work for another. A way of action and there is a way of meditation. And there is way of wordings[?] so many ways to approach Kṛṣṇa.\n And how long have you been involved in this thing?\n Almost two, two and a half years.",
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"content": "\n Since I've craft[?]. He is my first student.",
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"content": "\nYes [Laughing]. Yes.",
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"content": "\n That's terrific. And have you—you have demonstrated for yourself then that this has efficacy and meaning.\n Oh yes. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. The further you travel the road the closer you get. There is no doubt to that.\n That's marvelous that really is.\n But there is know easy, there is know easy way and I know that a lot of the young people now are taking LSD to get there easy. A five dollar trip they can get to God. This hasn't proved itself to be really the case. So a lot of it is just a five dollar trip to insane asylum for many.\n Yeah I know. I did a motion picture on the hippies I was very close to... I thought that the acid thing was sort of past though.\n There is know easy way out. There is know easy way out. You have to travel the road.",
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"content": "\n But you take it seriously it is very easy, yes. It is easier the same time.",
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"content": "\n Yeah. It's just joyful, just joyful. It maybe like Kṛṣṇa in Bhagavad-gītā says its like poison in the beginning. Maybe like poison in the beginning but nectar at the end. Because to other forms of happiness are like nectar in the beginning but their poison at the end.\nSo LSD is like nectar, in the beginning, poison at the end, you know. This is like maybe like poison at the beginning and nectar at the end. Poison at the beginning because we have to withdraw from so many sense objects.\n Right, so many what?\n All sense gratification. You know, activities we are...\n Yes, yes, yes. Well I, ok I... [end]",
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"content": "\n ...a bona fide [indistinct] spiritual master. Bona fide spiritual master means who carries out the order of higher authorities. Otherwise he is not spiritual master. Anyone who manufactures his own process of religion, that is rascaldom. Dharmāṁ tu sakṣād bhagavat-praṇitam [SB 6.3.19].\nJust like lawyer, representative of the law, means who carries the order of the supreme executer. He is lawyer. Similarly, a spiritual master means who carries the order of superior authority. We are carrying the order of Caitanya Mahāprabhu or Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa taught this Bhagavad-gītā, and He has said that \"Anyone who will preach this confidential message of Bhagavad-gītā, he is very dear to Me.\"",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] ...and believers in Sai Baba and other we believe in an incorporeal God, [indistinct] nirākāra. So if Kṛṣṇa was [indistinct] Rāma or any other deity or devata, one who was definitely a superior ātman, no doubt about it, but Paramātman is all other religions' God, if something is incorporeal is there, without entering into the cycle of...",
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"content": "\n Who says \"incorporeal\"? Who says?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] It is scripture.",
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"content": "\n No, no. Who says \"incorporeal\"?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] in the form of śiva-liṅga. You find it all over India, that, a summary of everything, that incorporeal form, jyotir-rūpa, incorporeal. Jyotir-liṅga, the Hindu svarūpa.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. You are bringing something else besides Bhagavad-gītā. Just try to understand. We are preaching... This International Society for Krishna Consciousness, we are preaching...",
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"content": "\n But you have to understand the relation between the two.",
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"content": "\n That's all... That we understand very nicely. It is not that I have to learn from you. We know it very well. But you should know that we are preaching Bhagavad-gītā.",
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"content": "\nThat is true.",
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"content": "\n So this jyotir-liṅga, all these theories, they are not in the Bhagavad-gītā. It may be in other literature, but we are particularly interested in preaching Bhagavad-gītā. Because Bhagavad-gītā is wrongly preached all over the world by nonsense commentation, we want to rectify it. Therefore our Society is specially named \"Krishna conscious.\"",
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"content": "\n What is wrongly preached about Gītā?",
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"content": "\n Wrong... Just like yesterday I went that Gītā-Samītī. There is a lamp. Why there is a lamp instead of Kṛṣṇa? Why there is a lamp? Kṛṣṇa is a lamp? And it is Bhagavad...",
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"content": "\n I don't know...",
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"content": "\n You do not know. Therefore I say this is wrongly preaching. Why in the place of Kṛṣṇa there is a lamp? Does Kṛṣṇa say?",
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"content": "\n Lamp has been with us for more than... In our mandira...",
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"content": "\n That's all right. [Hindi] Kṛṣṇa is also there.",
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"content": "\n They must evolve with that idea because...",
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"content": "\n No, no. First thing is that when you speak of Bhagavad-gītā, it is spoken by Kṛṣṇa. So why there is no Kṛṣṇa photograph?",
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"content": "\n They didn't put the picture.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That means you have not understood Kṛṣṇa. Therefore your..., this so-called Gītā Society is not bona fide. At least even in ordinary feature, suppose if there is political meeting, you keep Gandhi, this photo, Jawaharlal Nehru's photo, because they are the political leaders. You are preaching Bhagavad-gītā, Gītā-Samītī, and there is not a single picture of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n There is little misunderstanding, that Gītā-Jayantī is for...",
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"content": "\n No, first of all answer me this question; then you go to Gītā Jayantī. That, your Samītī is Gītā Samītī, and there is not a single picture of Kṛṣṇa. Yes.",
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"content": "\n We don't know about that one.",
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"content": "\n You were not there present? Oh. That's not... I think you were present.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n This is misguided.",
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"content": "\n I never gone there, never been there. They have just named it Gītā Bhavan, that's all.",
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"content": "\n This is misguided. That's all. Now, \"Gītā Bhavan,\" and they have invited me because we are teaching Bhagavad-gītā, and that was Gītā's jayantī—and the speaker of Gītā is not present? Therefore I say that there are so many places—here also—they are wrongly representing Bhagavad-gītā. So our position is to rectify that wrong propaganda of Bhagavad-gītā.",
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"content": "\n So that is what we want to know. What is that wrong propaganda?",
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"content": "\n That is one of the instance. There are many instances, many instances, many instances. Just like Dr. Radhakrishnan. In the Ninth Chapter there is verse, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. Radhakrishnan says, \"It is not to the person Kṛṣṇa.\" Where he gets this nonsense idea?",
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"content": "\n No, that Vivekananda also has said.",
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"content": "\n They are all nonsense! Therefore I say they are all nonsense, who deviates from the original text of the Bhagavad-gītā.",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, by declaring other interpretation as nonsense, you do not...",
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"content": "\n Yes! You cannot interpret! First of all if you cannot interpret. First of all my proposal, that you cannot interpret.",
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"content": "\n We'll come to that, that you are not interpreting correctly does not make me correct. I must be correct also to...",
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"content": "\n I am correct so long I present the correct thing, so long I am... If I present Kṛṣṇa as it is, then I am correct.",
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"content": "\n My solution, Swāmījī, most respectfully, is how do you judge that \"I am correct\"?",
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"content": "\n Because I am presenting what Kṛṣṇa says. First of all you answer this: What is correct, the standard of correctness? You cannot create correctness. When Kṛṣṇa says this, man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ, \"You just surrender unto Me; become My bhakta,\" how you can say, \"It is not to Kṛṣṇa\"? This is not nonsense? If I say, \"Give me a glass of...\" Just hear me. If I say, \"Give me a glass of water,\" if you say, \"It is not to Swāmījī,\" is that interpretation?",
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"content": "\n I do not, and again I say...",
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"content": "\n No, no, first of all you answer me. If I say, \"Give me a glass of water,\" and you say, \"It is not to Swāmījī.\"",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] ...what the Christ says, Muhammad says, everyone says, that...",
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"content": "\n Let them surrender to Christ. But why don't you surrender to Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n No, that is true, but...",
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"content": "\n That is true, but you do not know how.",
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"content": "\n No, you see, our... Even your... Even your way of thinking and your purpose is that Lord Kṛṣṇa should be the Lord of the whole universe. So we also satisfy...,",
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"content": "\n Yes, Lord Kṛṣṇa is Lord, universe.",
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"content": "\n Universe?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n So that is what you want to talk with me.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n In that case, you will have to satisfy everybody.",
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"content": "\n I am satisfying everybody. I am preaching that. But it is not possible... I am preaching in Europe. Christian, Muhammadans, Jews, they are surrendering to Kṛṣṇa. So I am doing my duty.",
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"content": "\n If I would be permitted, I would very humbly submit that...",
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"content": "\n You may not. You have not to surrender; you may bring some argument. But where I am preaching, they are surrendering.",
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"content": "\n You are doing a very wonderful work, there is no doubt about it, but the thing is that...",
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"content": "\n But you do not like that wonderful work.",
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"content": "\n ...judging jury of what we are doing, this is somebody else and not we ourself.",
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"content": "\n Now... What you... My point is that our Society is clearly giving you the indication that we are preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n Every Society has taken...",
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"content": "\n So that's all right. If you like this Kṛṣṇa philosophy, you are welcome. Otherwise, you leave.",
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"content": "\n We have come here...",
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"content": "\n Because first of all say that you are...",
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"content": "\n If you reject...\n[guests all speaking at same time]",
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"content": "\n No, no. Don't talk all together. First of all you must know what is the truth. If your standard of truth is different and my standard of truth is different, then where is the use of talking nonsense? If you have any other truth than Kṛṣṇa, you be satisfied.",
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"content": "\n Seeking knowledge...",
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"content": "\n Seeking God is sufficient. If you take... First of all you know my position. Suppose...",
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"content": "\n I understand your position, and I have since the beginning said most respectfully, I beg to submit, and what my submission is, that as a seeker of knowledge, I come to you. Now same...",
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"content": "\n No, no, that... Do you know what is the process of seeking knowledge? Do you know that?",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n Now, first of all answer me. You are seeking knowledge...",
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"content": "\n The thing is...",
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"content": "\n No, you also hear me. First of all let me know what is the process of seeking knowledge. You cannot make your own process.",
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"content": "\n The concepts have changed. The thinking has changed from the time...",
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"content": "\n No. No. First of all you know that I am speaking from Bhagavad-gītā. Bhagavad-gītā says, tad viddhi praṇipātena [Bg. 4.34]. Is it not? Tad viddhi praṇipātena. You have to surrender first of all.",
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"content": "\n Surrender to whom?",
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"content": "\n Anyone wherefrom you are seeking knowledge.",
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"content": "\n Ah! Surrender and...\n You lose your identity. You lose your identity.",
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"content": "\n Yes. First of all you have to find out a person where you can surrender. Then you can ask and you can seek knowledge. Otherwise, there is no... Simply waste of time. Why should you waste your time? Why shall I waste my time? Are you surrendered to me? If you have not surrendered to me...",
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"content": "\n I, I...",
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"content": "\n No, no. Stop this. Just try to understand. If you have not surrendered to me, you have no right to ask me anything.",
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"content": "\n Before one surrenders to somebody, he should be satisfied first with the questions...",
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"content": "\n Therefore... Yes. So that, that... Now that satisfaction, I cannot satisfy for your whims.",
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"content": "\n It is not a whim. It is common sense...",
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"content": "\n Now, one thing is that I am preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n That is true.",
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"content": "\nIf you talk on Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then you can ask me.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Yesterday you said in our night gathering, I remember, that we have to rise above body consciousness.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is in the Gītā.",
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"content": "\n And we have to be soul conscious.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Now, the idea of rising above body consciousness is to sell off the wild things—kāma, krodha, lobha, moha, ahaṅkāra.\n Ahaṅkāra...\n Now, that is one thing that it is there in all scriptures. The Gītā also says that kāma, krodha, lobha, moha, ahaṅkāra must be checked. Now, if we are being moved with that pride and arrogance that \"We are the only correct calling. This is the only correct path,\" and that \"You have to surrender from the beginning,\" now that only aggravates the pride in a person, and that...",
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"content": "\n Then what can I do? Kṛṣṇa says... If you talk, two, I cannot answer. You talk with me one.",
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"content": "\n No, we have talked with reasoning.",
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"content": "\n No, no. Don't talk two. I cannot answer with all these reasons. Either you talk or then let him talk.",
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"content": "\n I am talking. I am talking now.",
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"content": "\n Then you talk. Let him talk.",
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"content": "\n So we have to tear all these vices that are connected with our body. That is our purpose of getting into either bhakti or nāma or whatever it may be.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n But in that way, if you talk from that, another way of ahaṅkāra and pride, then things cannot go far. Things cannot go far.",
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"content": "\n So shall I answer now? Now you stop; I answer. Now Kṛṣṇa says,\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja\nahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo\nmokṣayiṣyāmi...\n[Bg. 18.66]\nEven though you have got so many sinful life, Kṛṣṇa assures that \"If you surrender unto Me, I shall give you protection from the reaction.\"",
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"content": "\n That is another thing. Kṛṣṇa...",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa... Kṛṣṇa, yes. Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Surrender to Kṛṣṇa, not surrender to all who...",
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"content": "\n No, no, no. Surrender to Kṛṣṇa. We are saying not \"Surrender unto me.\" We say, always say, \"Surrender to Kṛṣṇa.\" Therefore the same word. I am not saying that \"I have become Kṛṣṇa. I have become God. You surrender to me.\" We are preaching, \"Surrender to Kṛṣṇa.\" That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So we are not speaking differently from Kṛṣṇa. You try to understand. We are saying... Suppose if I say, \"Give me a glass of water,\" and if you say, \"Oh, give Swāmījī immediately a glass of...,\" the same thing.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa also says in Gītā that...",
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"content": "\n No, first of all you try to understand this, that Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ: \"only unto Me.\"",
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"content": "\n \"I am the only one.\" \"I am the...\" Sarva-dharmān...",
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"content": "\n Again you are speaking. I am talking with him. Again you are speaking. No, no. I cannot answer in that way. Let him talk. No, no. You stopped me. Let him talk. Otherwise it is not possible. You put some question, he puts some question, it is not possible. Now Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Now what do you say? He is very proud?",
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"content": "\n He's entitled to be proud. [indistinct] If a person has said that...",
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"content": "\n Yes?",
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"content": "\n Let him say that, but it doesn't mean everybody will be able to be His follower. That doesn't mean that. Maybe He has said.",
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"content": "\n But then He doesn't say. You say, \"You follow me.\" Now it is your discretion to follow Him or not to follow Him. Kṛṣṇa said this to Arjuna. That does not mean everyone of the world, like Arjuna, surrenders to Kṛṣṇa. That is not possible. Anyone, if he says, even Kṛṣṇa, or God, says, it is not that everyone follows that. That independence you have got.\nBut our philosophy is that Kṛṣṇa says, \"You surrender unto Me,\" and we are imploring, we are begging persons, that \"You please surrender to Kṛṣṇa.\" Now it is your discretion. Whether you surrender to Kṛṣṇa or Lord Śiva, that is your discretion. But our preaching method is we are trying to preach in the world, Please sir not[?] to Kṛṣṇa.\" That is our...",
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"content": "\n Sir, can I speak now?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n With your permission. I believe in Gītā. I believe in this thing, that it is the Lord who says,\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja\nahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo\nmokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ\n[Bg. 18.66]\nAnd it is..., He says also in Seventh, Eighth and Ninth chapters of Gītā that [indistinct Sanskrit], \"I do not take part in that ordinary being, and I cannot be seen by the naked eye.\"",
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"content": "\n Then you find...",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa was body incarnate.",
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"content": "\n Then you mean to say that Kṛṣṇa contradicts.",
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"content": "\n No, not Kṛṣṇa contradicts.",
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"content": "\n Then why you bring this question?",
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"content": "\n The Gītā, the Gītā is... Sir, if I may be permitted to continue?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Gītā jñāna itself is given by Lord incorporeal, not to Kṛṣṇa.\n Kṛṣṇa was a medium.\nKṛṣṇa, it is told, at the time the jñāna was given, had a body which became divya [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Yes, that is your interpretation.",
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"content": "\n That is exactly what...",
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"content": "\n No, you say. Anyone who... Anyone... Whatever he says, he thinks like that, exact. That is another thing. But we know that Kṛṣṇa had no difference between His body and soul. He is absolute. Now, you are talking from the point of view that Kṛṣṇa's body and Kṛṣṇa's soul is different.",
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"content": "\n Ah, no. In every body...",
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"content": "\n That is not the fact. That is not the fact.",
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"content": "\n Sir, Kṛṣṇa could not be the two-handed...",
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"content": "\n No, no, you say \"could not,\" but we do not say like that. Now who will settle up this thing? You say, but I do not say.",
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"content": "\n If you say, \"This is not the body...\"",
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"content": "\n No, no, no. We are to speak on the Bhagavad-gītā. We are talking on Bhagavad-gītā. Kṛṣṇa says that mām ekam. He never says that \"to My soul.\"",
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"content": "\n No. He says, \"I am one.\"",
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"content": "\n Therefore He is one, both body and soul. One. That is one.",
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"content": "\nSwāmījī, the material aspect, in your estimation, they are one?",
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"content": "\n Therefore He is nonmaterial. Therefore He has spoken... No, no, if you compare with Him ordinary man, then at once you become a mūḍha. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā. No, you say... This is the saying of Bhagavad-gītā. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā manuṣīṁ tanum āśritaḥ [Bg. 9.11]. [Hindi] \"Because I have taken this human form of life, the rascals, they think I am a human being.\" It is said in the Bhagavad-gītā.",
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"content": "\n I think... As my understanding of this aspect is concerned, He says, \"When I adopt this medium through which I give this jñāna, mūḍhā-matī do not understand Me.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Now, mūḍhā-matī, how to understand?",
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"content": "\n \"Cannot recognize Me.\"",
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"content": "\n Suppose I am mūḍhā-matī, so how I am to understand?",
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"content": "\n Yes, but sir Kṛṣṇa as a body form could be seen and could be recognized by people as such. So there was no question of not understanding Him.",
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"content": "\n Thing is that whatever I have understood about Kṛṣṇa, I haven't got to learn from you.",
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"content": "\n No, you don't have to learn from me.",
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"content": "\n Thank you.",
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"content": "\n But what you have to learn...",
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"content": "\n No, no, I am not speaking my own views. I have got my ācāryas, my teachers—Rāmānujācārya, Śaṅkarācārya, Madhvācārya.",
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"content": "\nThis is all right, sir.",
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"content": "\nSo it is all right. It is all right. I have got so many authorities. What authority you have got?",
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"content": "\n I am, myself, in my own senses...",
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"content": "\n Now, you are not authority.",
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"content": "\n I am not, but my own...",
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"content": "\n I am following so many authorities. Then... Then there is no question.",
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"content": "\n I am only...",
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"content": "\n You are yourself authority. Now, if you say my views are not correct, I may be incorrect, but I am following the predecessor. I am taking...",
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"content": "\n So what is the difference there? Sir, I accept that...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...hundred percent. You are very correct in saying what you have just said.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n I want to understand that point of view. That is why I have come.",
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"content": "\n But this is the point of understanding. That I have already told you, in the Bhagavad-gītā, that if you want to understand, first of all you have to surrender.",
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"content": "\n Surrender to whom? Not to the ācāryas, but to the...",
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"content": "\n First of all find out whom to surrender, then talk.",
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"content": "\n ...supreme ācārya.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. If you think that you are not fit for my surrender, that's all right. But first of all you find out somebody where you can surrender; then talk.",
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"content": "\n To jñāna-datta Himself.",
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"content": "\n Yes, that's all right. If you surrender and if you get jñāna-datta, that is all right. So far we are concerned, if we do not surrender, if you do not surrender, then you simply waste our time, idle talk. This is not the process.",
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"content": "\n You have to treat the person with [indistinct] difficult for us to get the knowledge from you.\n For seeking knowledge from him.",
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"content": "\n But you are not seeking knowledge. You have come to challenge it. You have come to challenge.",
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"content": "\n No, no, no... [several Indian men talk at once]",
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"content": "\n Now, you are saying that Kṛṣṇa says that incorporeal. But Kṛṣṇa says that \"Anyone who thinks that I am incorporeal, that he is a fool.\"",
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"content": "\n Quite right. Lord Kṛṣṇa, as such, if anybody calls Him incorporeal, he's a fool.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n But because He has a body, He has taken birth from Devakī. And incorporeal does not. Incorporeal does not take birth.",
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"content": "\n Therefore the Kṛṣṇa says that one has to understand that what is Kṛṣṇa's birth. Janma karma me divyam yo jānāti tattvataḥ. So that tattvata is not yo. Anyone who knows Kṛṣṇa actually, he becomes immediately liberated. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya [Bg. 4.9]. Anyone simply who understands Kṛṣṇa, he becomes immediately liberated. If you understood Kṛṣṇa correctly, then you are liberated person. You have nothing to ask from me.",
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"content": "\n It is what...",
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"content": "\n No, that's all. Then you are a liberated person. You have nothing to ask from me. I am for those who are conditioned, but you are liberated, so you have nothing to ask from me.",
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"content": "\n Rest of us, we persons, go.",
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"content": "\n Then you are liberated; you have nothing to go. If you are liberated, then you have nothing to seek, knowledge.",
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"content": "\n Thank you for listening. Time and place. He's already said that.",
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"content": "\n Yes. If you are liberated, you have nothing to go anywhere, because you know everything.",
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"content": "\n May I again submit with the honor that you have bestowed on me of having said that I am already liberated according to the version of Gītā...",
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"content": "\n If you have understood Kṛṣṇa, then you are liberated.",
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"content": "\n I still feel... I still feel...",
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"content": "\n Then you haven't got to seek knowledge.",
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"content": "\n I still feel that...",
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"content": "\n You be satisfied with yourself. You are liberated.",
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"content": "\n That means those who are to follow you are not liberated.",
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"content": "\n I am not follow... Er, I don't say, \"Follow me.\" I say, \"Follow Kṛṣṇa.\" Why...? Don't mistake that. I say... My vision is that Kṛṣṇa says, \"Surrender unto Me.\" I say, you and everyone, \"Surrender to Kṛṣṇa.\"",
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"content": "\n That you make wherever you are spreading, not that idea [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Well, that is my business. Where I am spreading or not, that is my business. But I am saying this, that Kṛṣṇa says you surrender unto Kṛṣṇa, \"Surrender unto Me.\" I say, \"Surrender unto Kṛṣṇa.\" Is there any difference?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] according to our desire [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Is it not according to Gītā? Is it not according to Gītā? If I say, \"Surrender unto Kṛṣṇa\"...",
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"content": "\n ...if each and every person has an individual identity of [indistinct] soul above the body consciousness, and unless you treat him as equal, there is little...",
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"content": "\n No, nobody... You cannot say... Even though they are equal, you can see equal, but they are not equal. They are not equal. There are three guṇas, and in the Bhagavad-gītā that is analyzed, that \"These persons are in the sattva-guṇa, these persons are in the rajo-guṇa, these persons are in...\"",
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"content": "\n That is not personality of the ātmā, but the ātmā is everybody's soul.",
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"content": "\n That's all... First of all we have...",
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"content": "\n If you have potency to rise and go higher and higher...",
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"content": "\n You are not on the ātmā stage; I am not in the ātmā stage. You are in the bodily stage.",
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"content": "\n Both, body and soul, together...",
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"content": "\n Then if you are in the ātmā stage, then you have no argument with me. Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ [Bg. 5.18].",
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"content": "\n But argument, you have admitted that...",
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"content": "\n No, there is no argument. That will stop. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati [Bg. 18.54].",
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"content": "\n It is on arguments get down...",
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"content": "\n No. If you are... Just see. This is stated in the Bhagavad-gita, that:\nvidyā-vinaya-sampanne\nbrāhmaṇe gavi hastini\nśuni caiva śva-pāke ca\npaṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ\n[Bg. 5.18]\nIf you are in the spiritual platform, then you will see a learned brāhmaṇa, a dog, a caṇḍāla, a elephant—they are in the same stage. So there is no argument, because he sees a dog and the learned brāhmaṇa, the same position.",
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"content": "\n That is the correct position.",
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"content": "\n That is correct position. But if you find that \"Swāmījī is not on the standard,\" that means you are not in the posit..., sama-darśinaḥ.",
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"content": "\n You mean if a person commits a murder, a sinner...",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is very high stage. That is very high stage, sama-darśinaḥ.",
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"content": "\n No, no. If a person commits a murder, you are seeing...",
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"content": "\n So why you see, you are seeing, \"Commits murder\"? Why don't you see that it is Kṛṣṇa is acting there? Why you say that \"commits murder\"?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa is getting the sin committed.",
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"content": "\n Sama-darśinaḥ means you have no distinction what is sin and what is...",
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"content": "\n Sama-darśinaḥ means to treat everyone as equal.",
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"content": "\n No, no, no. Sama darśinaḥ means there is no distinction between sin and virtue. That is sama-darśinaḥ. As soon as you see, \"This is virtue, and this is sin,\" it is not sama-darśinaḥ.",
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"content": "\n Virtue and sin become the same in sama-darśinaḥ.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is sama-darśinaḥ.",
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"content": "\n In other words, the sin does not remain sin any longer.",
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"content": "\n That is another thing. But he has no vision that \"This is sin, and this is virtue.\" That is sama-darśinaḥ. As soon as you make distinction, you are not sama-darśinaḥ.",
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"content": "\n In another interpretation, in common parlance...",
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"content": "\n You may interpret in a different. Sama-darśi, this is plain word. Sama-darśi means there is no difference. That's all.",
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"content": "\n But sama-darśi equals sama-darśi. The sin and virtue are the same.",
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"content": "\n No, here... Yes, that is sama-darśinaḥ, because here it is said clearly, vidyā-vinaya-sampanne brāhmaṇa [Bg. 5.18]. A brāhmaṇa, learned brāhmaṇa, and vinaya, very humble... That is the sign of goodness. Vidyā-vinaya-sampanne brāhmaṇa gavi hastini śunica. \nŚunica means dog. Now he is seeing a dog and a learned brāhmaṇa, same. Now, dog is supposed to be sinful, and this learned brāhmaṇa is supposed to be virtuous. Therefore his vision, the virtuous and the sinful, the same. That is sama-darśi.",
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"content": "\n I think that they have made many mistakes in writing of the ślokas.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. Now you are finding mistake with Vyāsa, so who can talk with you?",
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"content": "\n No, no, but, but...",
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"content": "\n Please excuse me. Please go out. Please go out. Don't trouble me. You are finding faults with Vyāsa.",
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"content": "\n We only want you to be understood here.",
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"content": "\n [shouting] I am not sama-darśi! I don't say I'm sama-darśi!",
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"content": "\nWho is sama-darśi?",
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"content": "\n I don't say sama-darśi. So you say sama-darśi. Sama-darśi.",
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"content": "\n You should be sama-darśi.",
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"content": "\n But I am not in that stage. I say because you don't surrender to Kṛṣṇa, you are sinful. That is my darśana.",
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"content": "\n So then you should be also seeing as sama-darśinaḥ.",
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"content": "\n No, why shall I? I am not in that position. I am not within that... I am simply repeating the words of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Then that... We came to learn, giving your... [?]",
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"content": "\n I am simply teaching the teachings of Kṛṣṇa. That is my point. I may be sama-darśi, I may be not sama-darśi.",
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"content": "\n May not be, but you teach that we should worship the sama-darśi.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa says. I don't say.",
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"content": "\n Ah! You say Kṛṣṇa says that...",
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"content": "\n But that does not mean one has become sama-darśinaḥ. That is... That is his...",
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"content": "\n Then he is not following the guru.",
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"content": "\n No. My position is simply repeating. That's all. My position is.",
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"content": "\n So we want understanding more than mere tape recorder.",
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"content": "\n Yes, you may be tape... But that is my position, because I have been authorized in that way, that \"Anyone who preaches this confidential subject matter, he is My dear.\" So I have nothing to learn what is sama-darśi. I have my position...",
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"content": "\n No, blind following and open-eyed following, I said it is all right. We can read the book. We can read the verses, translation, Hindi translation. But that is not understanding.",
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"content": "\n Yes, that is not understanding, I understand. But I am understanding from my teachers, just like I told you—Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya, Viṣṇu Svāmī, Lord Caitanya. There are so many stalwart teachers, practically whole Hindu community.",
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"content": "\n But every successive teacher has added some interpretations of the knowledge, no?",
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"content": "\n First of all let him be successor.",
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"content": "\n You are the successor of somebody.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So you want to act something to get knowledge.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n And what is your contribution, then? That is what we are asking. What is sama-darśi? Have you become sama-darśi?\n You are teaching others to be sama-darśi...",
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"content": "\n My sama-darśi is that why only the Hindus shall know Kṛṣṇa? The world should know Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n World should know also.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n What exactly Kṛṣṇa was and what is His teachings? That is what...",
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"content": "\n So if you... If the Hindus refuse to know, what can I do? If the Hindus refuse to know, then what can I do?",
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"content": "\n There is no challenge to anyone. We are not...\n We are not issuing challenge to anyone. This is a simple open-hearted discussion that we should have learned something, though we are not in a position to make... [Indians talking together]\n But the process of knowing, in Bhagavad-gītā... Kṛṣṇa says, \"Just try to approach a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render him all kinds of service. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth. And when you have thus learned the truth, you will know that all living beings are My parts and parcels, that they are in Me and are Mine.\" So if one is not prepared to approach a spiritual master inquiringly—not challenging, but with inquiry and followed by submission or service...\nYou must be prepared to act on the instructions of the spiritual master. If those two qualifications are not with you, then why approach anyone for anything? You will simply waste his time and your time. This is Kṛṣṇa speaking in Bhagavad-gītā. Kṛṣṇa says, \"You just try to approach a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively. Render him all kinds of service. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.\"\n There is a difference of day and night between blind following and His following.\n That is not blind following. Submissive inquiry, and then you have to be prepared to test. Just like the professor, the professor in a college. He says, \"You inquire from me.\" \"My dear professor, how is it?\" He says, \"It is like this. You simply do this homework.\" And you do it. You have to do it; otherwise you cannot get any mark; you cannot make any advancement in the class. If you simply say, \"Oh, why, why, why...?\"\n No, no, but...\n That is submission. That is inquiry and submission, that the master is there and you say, \"All right, I accept you as my master and I will follow your instruction.\" And then in the end, when you have done the work, then you can say, \"Oh, this master, yes, he is correct,\" or \"No, he's a fool.\"\n You have caught up only one śloka.\n There is no other way. It is not possible. Every śloka in the Bhagavad-gītā is as good as any other śloka, because it is absolute.\n Let me tell two words. If submissive word means in relation of Gītā...\n Yes, the perfect example given by Arjuna, the perfect disciple, is \"Now I am confused about duty...\"\n No more than you or I.\n Arjuna says to Kṛṣṇa... Arjuna says to Kṛṣṇa... What does he say?",
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"content": "\n No, no, no. First let me know whether you want to submit or not?",
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"content": "\n I do!",
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"content": "\n First of all answer this question, whether you want to submit or not.",
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"content": "\n We want to submit after understanding. [Indians talking at once]\n Try to understand. The teaching of Bhagavad-gītā, teaching of Bhagavad-gītā begins when Arjuna admits, when he admits that \"Oh, now I see. Now I am confused about my duty, and now I am a soul surrendered unto You. You please instruct me.\"\n We don't want... We have not come here... [many Indians talking at once]\n If you are not prepared to follow the example of Arjuna and submit yourself...\n Swami Bhaktivedanta has said...\n No, no, no.\n When we are all...\n[several talking at once]\n One at a time. One at a time. Let me make my point, that Gītā begins... The reason Gītā has value is because Arjuna, he admits his ignorance. He says, \"Now I am confused about my duty and I am a soul surrendered unto You. You please instruct me.\" That is the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā. And if, if we want to take, or if we want to get the benefit of Gītā, then we must follow the example of Arjuna, who is the perfect disciple, and Kṛṣṇa is the perfect master. And the first point is you must become submissive.\n We understand now what you mean: submissiveness.\n So that same thing is there if you want to learn from a spiritual master, that you come with an attitude of submission and prepared to follow the instruction. But if you think, \"Well, if I like the instruction, I may follow. And if I don't like, then let him go to hell,\" then what is the use of inquiry?\n No, no, no. We don't want Prabhupāda...\nGītā.\n That is the only lesson. \"You just give up all...\"",
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"content": "\n No, we cannot hear any more. That is the only lesson. That is the only example.",
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"content": "\n That is the only lesson. Kṛṣṇa says, \"Give up all forms of religiousness and just surrender unto Me.\"\n You are taking one śloka. You can interpret...\n Any śloka. Any śloka.",
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"content": "\n Neither you can give up this śloka. You cannot give up this śloka. Yes.\n[Indian men all talking at once]\nSo first of all you answer. See practical example. When Arjuna became confused, he said, śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam [Bg. 2.7]: \"Now I am surrendered unto You. Please teach me.\" Unless you come to that point, there will be no teaching, and there is no use of teaching.",
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"content": "\n What time and what energy...",
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"content": "\n That you have to see. You have to see. You have to see your time, when you are prepared to surrender. When you are prepared to surrender, as Kṛṣṇa..., Arjuna said, that \"I am now confused and I surrender unto You.\" If you think that you are not confused, you cannot surrender, then there is no question of teaching.",
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"content": "\n Surrender is the first condition. \"You must surrender\" is the first condition.\n Yes.\nNo man... [break] [end]",
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"content": "\n\n...mahā-bhāga\nyathaiva narakān nara\nnānogra-yātanān neyāt\ntan me vyākhyātum arhasi\n[SB 6.1.6]\nThere was topics of the different hellish conditions of life according to different sinful activities. There is description in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Fifth Canto, the different planetary systems of this universe, how each and every planet is different from the other by its atmosphere, by its inhabitants, dealings.\nJust like modern scientists, they are finding difference between this planet and the moon planet. They say that there is no living entity. That is not fact. They... Even though they have reached the moon planet, it is not a fact that there is no living entity. Accepting they reached the moon planet, they might have gone to the part where it is desert or barren land, because in each and every planet there is such possibility.\nIn our this planet also, when I was passing through the Suez Canal, it is horrible desert. So if somebody drops in that Arabian desert and concludes that there is no living entity in this planet, it is simply foolish. Similarly, these people are going..., maybe going. First of all, I don't believe they have gone, frankly speaking. Even they have gone, they are landing in some part of the moon planet where there is no inhabitation.\nBut there are different kinds of planets. That we get from Vedic literatures. Vibhūti-bhinnam. Bhinnam means different, and vibhūti means opulence. Every planet has got special opulence. Just like the moon planet: it is shining. It has got a special opulence—it is shining. The sun planet is so hot and so brilliant. Similarly, each and every planet, either small or big, they have got a particular type of opulence. That is stated in the Brahma-saṁhitā: \nyasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi-\nkoṭiṣv aśeṣa-vasudhādi vibhūti-bhinnam\n[Bs. 5.40]\nVibhūti-bhinnam.\nIn this planet also, different places have got different opulence. Just like in India you will find throughout the whole year brilliant sunshine, and in the Western countries, in London, hellish—always moist, raining and cloudy. You cannot distinguish whether it is night or day. In our... Now I was in London. When I was, I think, last year, in this time, December, the morning was at ten o'clock, and the evening was at three o'clock. So how many hours from ten to three?",
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"content": "\n Five hours day. And nineteen hours night. So of course, I was rising, as usual, early in the morning. So I wanted to go out. So I couldn't go out before half-past nine to the Regent Park. And it was full of snow and ice, and it is very difficult to walk.\nSo just like in this planet there are different places of different conditions, so it is natural to accept it that different planets have got different atmosphere, different opulences, different kinds of population, living entities. Keśava tuyā jagat vicitra. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has sung that \"My dear Kṛṣṇa, Your creation is variegated.\" There are different types. Similarly, there are planets where hellish conditions perpetually continue. Just like you can compare the northern pole. It is a hellish condition within this earth. And similarly, there are planets, so, and they are suffering.\nSo Parīkṣit Mahārāja inquired that,\nadhuneha mahā-bhāga\nyathaiva narakān nara\nnānogra-yātanān neyāt\ntan me vyākhyātum arhasi\n[SB 6.1.6]\n\"You have described, 'For this kind of sinful activities one has to take his birth in this kind of planet or this kind of place.' Now please let me know how these suffering living entities can be delivered from this suffering condition, different varieties of suffering condition.\" Ugra. Ugra means very acute. \"If there is any means to deliver them?\" So that answer is given:\nna ced ihaivāpacitiṁ yathāmhasaḥ\nkṛtasya kuryān mana-ukta-pāṇibhiḥ\ndhruvaṁ sa vai pretya narakān upaiti\nye kīrtitā me bhavatas tigma-yātanāḥ\n[SB 6.1.7]\nSo, \"My dear king, one has to suffer. This is the law of karma. According to the volume of sinful activity, one has to accept the reaction. There is no other alternative.\" Tasmāt, \"Therefore,\"\npuraivaṣv iha pāpa-niṣkṛtau\nyateta mṛtyor avipadyatātmanā\ndoṣasya dṛṣṭvā guru-lāghavaṁ yathā\nbhiṣak cikitseta rujāṁ nidānavit\n[SB 6.1.8]\nJust like you are suffering from some disease. So according to the nature of the disease, you have to pay for its medicine. One who is suffering from malarial disease, tuberculosis disease, asthmatic tendency, these disease are considered very severe type of disease. Coughing or having some little fever, they are not very severe. But there are many severe diseases. So as you pay to the specialist doctor or you pay for the medicine according to the severity of disease, similarly—yasmād evaṁ tasmād pāpasya niṣkṛtau prayaścitte yateta—you have to make treatment. And according to the symptoms of the disease, you have to undergo treatment. That is called prāyaścitta.\nJust like if a man who has committed murder... His prāyaścitta is that he should be hanged. This is prāyaścitta: life for life. That is Manu-saṁhitā. This hanging a condemned person, a murderer, is a mercy to him. That is stated in the Manu-saṁhitā. So people are becoming now sympathetic, that \"Whatever is done is done. Let this man be saved.\" This kind of sympathy is no good. So people are taking sympathy...\nA man suffering from certain disease or certain miserable condition, they want to ameliorate it. This kind of sympathy is not sanctioned. He should suffer so that the reaction of his sinful activities in the past life should be diminished. If he does not suffer, then he will have to suffer more, continue, because he is condemned to suffer so much. If you minimize it now, that does not mean he will not suffer. He will suffer next life.\nJust like a man is imprisoned, and... If your friend or relative is imprisoned, by somehow or other you get him released by hook and crook, so when you are again captured you are again severely punished, both the men. Is it not the law? So how can you give relief to the suffering person who is condemned? If in your state law a man is suffering in the prison and if you feel sympathy or you may try to give him release and get him out by some hook and crook means, then both of you will be punished. Is it not? So how can you avoid the punishment by God's law?\nSo this kind of sympathy, just like this Ramakrishna Mission, daridra-nārāyaṇa sevā, under the plea of accepting this suffering humanity as Nārāyaṇa and appealing to the compassion of the people... Although they cannot do anything. Actually they are not doing anything. But this philosophy is a rubbish philosophy. You cannot do. If you can do anything good to the people, then you can simply awaken them to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the best service. Other service you cannot do. Te 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni-baddhāḥ [SB 7.5.31]. Just like by any means you cannot get released a man who is condemned in the prison. Against law. However sympathetic you may be to your friend, but you cannot release him. That is against law.\nSimilarly, people are suffering, undoubtedly, but they have to undergo the prāyaścitta process. In the śāstras there are prāyaścitta process. Formerly, even our childhood days, we have seen in Calcutta there is a special quarter of the bhaṭṭācārya brāhmaṇas. The bhaṭṭācārya brāhmaṇas' business is that if you have committed some sinful act, you should immediately go and consult the bhattācārya: \"What is the process of prāyaścitta?\" Just like you go in case of disease, consult a physician, and take his prescription and diagnosis, similarly, that was the Vedic system.\nYou have read in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta that one Buddhimanta Khan, he was formerly... He was very rich man, and Nawab Hussain Shah was the servant when he was not Nawab. So he was menial servant. So he stole some money, as servants are generally habituated. So he whipped him with his cane. So that whipping stripe was on his back side. When he was Nawab, so his wife saw it and inquired, \"What is this scar?\" So he replied the whole story, that \"I was formerly a menial servant to this Buddhimanta Khan and I did something wrong. So as my father, he punished me. That's all. He was treating me as my son.\" So he admitted that he was so kind.\nBut his wife said, \"Oh, this scar is a defamation. If somebody sees and you explain, then it will be known that you were a menial servant previously.\" So the Nawab did not mind. He: \"What is that? I may be... Now what I am, that's all.\" So his wife requested that \"This man should be killed so that he may not disclose the secret of your life, that you were a menial servant in his house.\" And \"No, no, no. This is... This cannot be. He is just like my father. How can I kill him? This is not possible.\" And just see. Then she advised, \"At least make him Muhammadan. Convert him to be a Muhammadan.\"\nIn those days it was not very difficult. If somebody, a Muhammadan, takes water from his water pot and simply sprinkle in somebody's body, he becomes Muhammadan. The Hindu society was so rascal. Still they are. Simply by sprinkling water from the pot of a Muhammadan he becomes Muhammadan.\nSo this Nawab said, \"All right, I shall sprinkle water. Let him do what he likes,\" [chuckles] to satisfy his wife. So he did it. When he did it—then the society was so strong—he went to the bhaṭṭācārya to consult: \"Oh, sir, I have been sprinkled water by a Muhammadan. So what prāyaścitta?\" What is called? What is the English of prāyaścitta? Compensation?",
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"content": "\n No, no. Atonement. \"So what kind of atonement I have to do?\" So the bhaṭṭācārya advised him that \"You take one kilo of lead and melt it and drink it, and that is your atonement.\" You see? So he said, \"How it is possible?\" \"This is the atonement for such sinful activity. Yes.\"\nJust see. For the last five hundred, six hundred years... Why...? For thousands of years the Hindu society is so fallen. Therefore so many Muhammadans have increased here. They are not imported. In this way the Hindu population, they have been forced to accept Mohammadan religion, you see, by the Muhammadans. Just like Aurangzeb. He imposed one tax for the Hindus. So all the poor men class, to avoid the tax they become Muhammadans. And there was so much punishment by the Hindus. And so he became a Muhammadan, so-called Muhammadan, by the diagnosis of the bhaṭṭācārya.\nSo this kind of prāyaścitta was current during the [indistinct] days of the Vedic society. But in the śāstras there are... In every scripture... Just like in Christian, their prāyaścitta is to confess, similarly, there are different types of prāyaścitta. So here Parīkṣit Mahārāja is advised, yathā puraiva. Yathā evaṁ tasmāt pāpasya niṣkṛtau prāyaścitta yateta kadā mṛtyu puraiva.\nSo prāyaścitta. If you want to be free from the reaction of the sinful activities in this life—exactly in the same way as Christian Bible advises that you have to make some atonement, go to the church and confess your sinful activities and pay some fine—exactly in the same way in Vedic scriptures also, that \"Before death you must make some atonement; otherwise you will continue in your next life.\" Tasmāt puraivaṣv iha pāpa-niṣkṛtau yateta mṛtyor avipadyatātmanā [SB 6.1.8]. \"Before you meet your death, that you should take.\"\nDoṣasya dṛṣṭvā guru-lāghavaṁ yathā: and you have to make atonement according to the gravity of your sinful activities. Yathā bhiṣak cikitseta rujāṁ nidānavit. Just like nidānavit. Nidāna means a expert physician. He prescribes medicine and advises treatment according to the gravity of the disease. Similarly, you have to undergo atonement for the sinful activities according to its gravity. That is the system.\nThen... The king is very intelligent. He is not only king but he's a great devotee of Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa conscious. So he replied, \"What is the use of this kind of atonement?\"\ndṛṣṭa-śrutābhyāṁ yat pāpaṁ\njānann apy ātmano 'hitam\nkaroti bhūyo vivaśaḥ\nprāyaścittam atho katham\n[SB 6.1.9]\n\"Sir, what is the value of this atonement? If people continue to act sinfully, then what is the use of this kind of prāyaścitta?\" This is a very intelligent question. If... Suppose a man suffering from venereal disease goes to a doctor and he prescribes some medicine and gives him some diagnosis that \"You should live in this way, in that way,\" but after the disease is cured, immediately if he commits the same sinful act, then what is the value of the treatment?\nThe same thing, just like nāmnād balād yasya hi pāpa-buddhiḥ. In every society this is going on. In our Kṛṣṇa conscious Society, or those who are Vaiṣṇava, they are, some of them are thinking like that, that \"I am chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, so if I commit some sinful act, then I shall again chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and it will be adjusted.\" And Christians also think like that, that \"I may commit sins throughout the whole week, and on Sunday I shall go to the church and confess it. It will be counteracted.\" So this defective conclusion of the human society is interrupted here by the question of Mahārāja Parīkṣit, that,\ndṛṣṭa-śrutābhyāṁ yat pāpaṁ\njānann apy ātmano 'hitam\nkaroti bhūyo vivaśaḥ\nprāyaścittam atho katham\n[SB 6.1.9]\nSo people, they know that \"There is resultant action of this kind of sinful activity.\" He knows. Even if he does not know, he sees. Just like a man who has stolen, committed theft. One sees that he is arrested or he is punished, he is put into the prison, and still, he commits stealing. He knows. So similarly, we are hearing from the śāstra that \"If you commit this sin...\" Just like māṁsa. Māṁsa, this very thing, means māṁ sa khadati. Therefore flesh is called māṁsa. \"The animal which I am killing, he will have the right to kill me and eat me.\" That is going on, repetition: \"I kill you this life. Next life you kill me. In this life you have become a cow or goat. Next time I'll become a cow or goat. You have the right to kill me.\" This is called karma-bandhana.\nSo we hear from the śāstras. You may not believe, but we can see practically that a man who has committed murder, he is also hanged. There is no doubt about it. \"Life for life.\" So how these foolish persons very, I mean to say, boldly killing animals? If it is a fact even in your state law that \"life for life,\" how I can dare to commit murder or kill another animal? You see? And this is conclusion. The śāstra says that you have to pay that particular individual soul by your life. That is the meaning of māṁsa, the Sanskrit word māṁsa. Māṁsa khadati.\nI am taking the risk. When I kill one animal for eating, I am taking the risk that \"This animal sometimes will kill me.\" Exactly in the same way, life for life, murder, murderer is hanged—that is the law of the state—so why not that law in the state of the Supreme? Is that very unreasonable? But they do not see. Parīkṣit Mahārāja says that dṛṣṭa-śruta. In the scriptures or in the religious law books I have heard it that this kind of sin will be reacted in this way. And dṛṣṭa, and I have seen also that a man committing murder is hanged. So dṛṣṭa-śruta yat pāpam.\nSo this kind of sinful activities, janānn apy, everyone knows. Yesterday we were speaking of seeing and hearing. These experiences gathered by seeing and hearing is very important. This is tangible. So these two words have been used, dṛṣṭa-śruta: \"by hearing and by seeing.\" Everyone knows that there is sinful reaction. Janānn apy. What is that? Ātmano ahitam. Ātmanā: it is disastrous for his self. He has to undergo so much punishment. Still, karoti bhūyo vivaśaḥ. Vivaśaḥ means automatically. He has been habituated. Automatically he commits the same sin, vivaśa. \nPrāyaścittam atho katham. Then, if he remains always a victim to the sinful reaction and if he is habituated to do that, so artificially this kind of confession in the church or giving some bribe to the bhaṭṭācārya, what is the meaning of this? It is practical question. If the man is habituated to commit sinful activities throughout the whole week, what is the use of his going to the church and confessing and give some bribe or... You take in any..., any field.\nSo it is very intelligent question. There is practically no use. If you remain a thief always, so for your theft you are put into the prison, and as soon as you get out of the prison again you commit theft. He knows that \"I shall be again put into the prison\"; still, he commits the same thing. Actually there are many thieves. At least in India I have seen. Their business is stealing, and they are put into the jail, and as soon as he comes out, again commits the same thing and put into the jail for many days.",
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"content": "\n Swāmī, many people also think that \"If you're sinful, how can church help you? What is the use of going to church and confessing [indistinct]?\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. If you... That will be discussed. This is the point. This is being discussed. It is not the... It is not the question of atheism. Your point is, \"What is the use of going to the church?\" But the use is that if he goes to the church, if he actually hears about, I mean to say, glorious life, to become devotee, to understand God, then the utilization of going to the church is all right. But if he goes with that spirit that \"I shall go to the church and my sinful activities will be counteracted by giving some bribe and going to the church, then it is [not?] very good...\" But his motive is different. Churchgoing is not for that purpose. That is a facility.\nJust like we are preaching, \"You chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and,\" ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12], \"your sinful activities will be counteracted. Kṛṣṇa says that 'You just surrender unto Me and I shall give you protection from the sinful acts.' \" So if I think, \"It is very good. Then I shall go to Kṛṣṇa. I shall take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and He will protect me from sinful reaction. So it is a great opportunity. You become Kṛṣṇa conscious and commit all sinful activities, Kṛṣṇa will give me protection.\" That will create certainly atheism: \"What is this bogus thing?\"\nBut that does not mean... So you surrender to Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa takes charge of your past sinful activities. But that does not mean that \"I shall remain Kṛṣṇa conscious, at the same time I shall go on committing sin.\" This..., for this facility, if anyone takes to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that is most sinful, that \"I shall take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness because whatever sinful activities I shall do, it will be counteracted by Kṛṣṇa.\" So that will create certainly atheism, that \"What is this bogus talk?\" Do you follow? Yes. But that is not meant for.\nJust like Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Caitanya Mahāprabhu accepted Jagāi-Mādhāi on the condition that they will not commit any more sinful activities. So whatever they have committed, that is excused. Just like I am also accepting. Not that on the condition that you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and whatever you do, it will be counteracted. We are not making that condition. We are making condition that you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness; whatever sinful activities you have done, that will be squared up. But you don't do any more. Don't have illicit sex, don't drink, don't do this, don't do this.\nSo you must take it in that [indistinct]. Whatever you have done, that is no disqualification. That will be squared up. But not that on the strength of your Kṛṣṇa consciousness you'll do again. So these people are misunderstanding that \"Church is giving me some facility that 'All right, whatever you have committed, that you confess. It is excused.' \" But if the Church and the people make a business that \"All right, throughout the whole week let me commit all kinds of sins, and on Sunday it will be all counteracted...\" Yes?",
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"content": "\n There's one example I just remembered from the Christian Gospel. Jesus was accustomed to heal diseased people. And one time they brought a leper or somebody with a very bad disease before him. Or he was blind or something. And they asked him, \"Can you heal this man?\" And instead of saying, \"Be free from leprosy,\" he said, \"Your sins are forgiven.\" And they said, \"Oh, what is this? No, we don't want you to forgive his sins. We want you to cure his disease.\" Jesus said, \"What is the difference? Your sins are forgiven you.\" And when he said that, the man's disease was healed, and then he said, \"Now go away and sin no more.\"",
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"content": "\n That was a reference about karma. Those who do not understand... It was a lesson on karma. They don't understand that.",
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"content": "\n So there is no value of this question of the atheist. They do not know what is the meaning of going to the church or going to the temple or church or spiritual master. That is a foolish question. The church does not allow. But if the church does not disclose this fact, that \"Oh, I see every week you come. What is this, nonsense?\" But the priest, they get some money and they want to continue their church business to get some money. So this is going on, cheating and cheated. Therefore the society has become the full of cheaters and cheated.\nSo the cheating cheaters are not encouraged. If in the church or if anywhere, in the court, they are all full of cheaters and cheated, then what can be done? But either the court or the church is not meant for that purpose, that they will excuse the sinners every week without questioning and without giving him full, nice instruction that \"You cannot do this.\" But if they say like that, then no more..., nobody will come. Their income will be lost. So therefore they are cheated, and those people who are thinking that \"I have gone to church and my priest has excused me. I have confessed,\" this is cheating. That's all. Actually the purpose is different.",
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"content": "\n The priests are all driving Lincoln Continentals [indistinct]. All the priests drive very expensive automobiles. They're all dressed very nicely, and they have very big cars, Catholic priests. They get so much money for forgiving sins.",
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"content": "\n They get money?",
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"content": "\n Yes, in Europe they used to sell indulgences. For a certain amount of money you get a certain indulgence and your...",
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"content": "\n Here also. The priests allow. The guru allow. The professional guru... His disciple will come: \"Sir, doctor has advised me to take fish. Without taking fish my eyesight will be lost. He has advised. So what to do? You have asked me not to take fish. You said.\" \"Oh, all right, I give you permission.\" He gives his permission. This is going on. \"I give you per...\" Because the guru sees that \"If I say no, this rich disciple will be lost. So better let him do whatever he likes. I get my fees. That's all.\" This is going on.\nThat statement of my Guru Mahārāja, \"the society of the cheaters and the cheated,\" is a fact everywhere. In a law court also, you bribe; you get justice. That is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Anardhena nyāya-rahitam[?]: \"If you have got no money, then you cannot get justice in this age. You cannot get justice.\" It is clearly stated here. That is the symptom of this age. In the law court you have to bribe. In the judges... I know so many cases. The judges are bribed and they give favorable judgment. You bribe any judge, then he accepts.\nOne big judge and a big man's brother, P. R. Das, he was a very famous judge in high court and, in Patna high court, and he is the brother of a great pleader, C. R. Das. So he was taking bribe. He was taking bribe. And this was known to the other judges and the chief justice also. Complaint was there by other judges, that \"He takes bribe.\" So in one case... Because there are rivals in everywhere. You see?\nSo in one case he was to just deliver the judgment, and everyone knew that he has taken already bribe, some thousands of rupees. So chief justice called him in his room, that \"Mr. Das, I have heard that you do this business, and you have done this also today. All reports are with me. You immediately resign and go. Otherwise I shall take action. You immediately resign and go away. Otherwise I'll take action. I have got all evidence.\"\nSo when he saw that \"There is now no way out,\" so he resigned that \"On consideration of health. I am feeling very weak. My heart is palpitating.\" In this way wrote and resigned, and immediately he left high court, and the judgment was saved, and it was announced, \"Mr. Das is very ill, sick, so today's court is closed. It will return tomorrow.\"\nSo that means that was the last day of his sitting in the court, and he retired. I think that man is still living, or dead? He was taking. And when he was asked by his friends that \"Why did you take bribe?\" So, \"I get only four thousand rupees. I have got expenditure ten thousand. What can I do?\" You see? A big judge, he was doing that business. That is within our experience.",
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"content": "\n That [indistinct] Das in Calcutta was a [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Huh? Which [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n That Mr. [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n No, no, no. That is different. This is a different Das. So, so many cases I know, and the judges take bribe. They take bribe. Therefore it is called Kali-yuga. The whole atmosphere is surcharged with vicious condition, anywhere. You go to the court, you go to the church, you go to the priest, you go to the so-called spiritual master... The time is so vicious. You see? The only rescue is to become sincere to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then one is safe. Otherwise, the whole atmosphere is very dangerous. That's all. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances] [end]",
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"content": "\n[explains ten offenses]\nSo there are 10 offences. One must be very careful to avoid in chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, explained here. The first, to blaspheme the devotees who have dedicated their lives for propagating the holy name of the Lord.\nThis means one must be free from envy—especially of the spiritual master. In the Nectar of Devotion, it is explained that one may not envy the spiritual master as he would an ordinary man. One may not be envious of the spiritual master, this enviousness of the spiritual master—blaspheme the spiritual master's position. The spiritual master being an emissary of Kṛṣṇa. An ambassador, just like if the ambassador of United States, suppose France was insulted then it is taken as an insult by the president. It is taken as an insult, by the leader of the country.\nSo the ambassador is just a representative, but the offence to the ambassador is not forgiven, in the case of a pure devotee Kṛṣṇa never forgives this offence. Because the pure devotee, the spiritual master is so dear to Kṛṣṇa performing the most beneficial activity to reform souls in the material world and thereby as Kṛṣṇa explains in the 18th chapter of the Bhagavad-gītā. There He explains this science of devotional service, the devotee is the most dear to the Lord. So therefore anyone who blasphemes or insults the spiritual master, the pure devotee is automatically becoming greatly hindered in his advancement in devotional service.\nIn fact it is called a 'mad elephant' offence to offend a pure devotee. Just as in a garden there are so many nice flowers and plants growing but if an elephant gets into the garden. If a 'mad elephant' gets into the garden then all the vines and flowers are torn, torn away from the roots. And so with devotional service, the creeper of devotional service can be completely destroyed by this offence to the pure devotee. This must be avoided.\nThe second offence. \"To consider the names of the demigods like Lord Śiva or Lord Brahmā to be equal to or independent of the name of Lord Viṣṇu.\" Sometimes the atheistic class of men take it that any demigod is as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead Viṣṇu but one who is a devotee knows that no demigod no matter how great he may be is independently as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore if somebody thinks that he can chant, \"Kālī, Kālī,\" or \"Durgā, Durgā,\" and it is the same as Hare Kṛṣṇa, that is the greatest offence.\nSo, also in the Nectar of Devotion it is described that one who thinks of the demigods on an equal level with Kṛṣṇa or he thinks that it is alright that if you worship the demigods you will get to Kṛṣṇa, he is considered an atheist. He is not understanding the Supreme Personality of Godhead and his position as the supreme over all the spiritual world and material world.\nThe demigods are merely living entities like ourselves, emanations from Kṛṣṇa. They cannot be accepted as God. Sometimes they are accepted by foolish men, these foolish men are accepting, this is atheistic. So we should be careful to avoid comparing the demigods with the Lord placing them on any kind of equal level with the Supreme Personality Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is the source of the demigods, as He explains in the Bhagavad-gītā and in the 9th chapter all about spiritual knowledge, Kṛṣṇa says, \"Whatever is offered to the demigods is actually meant for Me. Albeit without due understanding—for I am the source of the demigods.\"\n\"The third offence is to disobey the orders of the spiritual master.\" The spiritual master's instructions are given explicitly to the devotees so that he may make advancement so if the devotee neglects to follow these instructions of the spiritual master, his advancement will be in trouble. In the Bhagavad-gītā Lord Kṛṣṇa tells Arjuna, \"Never mind, don't consider loss or gain, victory or defeat, just fight for the sake of fighting—just fight.\"\nSo one must... In the purport Śrīla Prabhupāda explains, one must execute the instructions of the spiritual master as if in military discipline, that may seem troublesome [indistinct]. But the troubles will preposter[?] tapasya, the difficulty will only go on by the disciples because he is following the instructions of the spiritual master. This is the key, this is the key to advancement in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. After all the devotee must learn to hate sense enjoyment. This tapasya means the giving up of sense enjoyment for the satisfaction of the Supreme Lord. This is very beneficial for advancing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It must be accepted, if one neglects or disobeys the orders of the spiritual master his progress is greatly hindered.\n\"To blaspheme the Vedic literature or literature in pursuance of the Vedic version.\" Just like [break] Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam may contain many stories like Lord Kṛṣṇa when He was in Dvārakā from each of His 16,108 palaces each day He would give away thousands of cows. Material [?], this material nature[?] so, so many cows every day were being given away by Kṛṣṇa. This is inconceivable we can't understand so many instances, parts of the scriptures will seem inconceivable. But we must accept it as it is, we cannot test.\nWe can test by following the instructions of the spiritual master then all will become revealed by Kṛṣṇa's causeless mercy. This is Kṛṣṇa's inconceivable potency. The example is given of cow dung and conch shell, being the bone and stool of an animal. Ordinarily even if one touches dung or stool of an animal he must immediately bathe, or the bone.\nBut the bone of a conch shell and the dung of cow dung these are pure, it is stated in the Vedic scriptures. It may be doubted, you may say, \"Oh this is contradictory because it also says as soon as one may touch the dung of an animal, stool of an animal one must bathe.\" But the scientists are discovering, yes. The stool of a cow, cow dung is full of all antiseptic properties. So the Vedic scriptures and literatures in pursuance of the Vedic version, all are perfect but they must come in disciplic succession.\nLiteratures in pursuance of the Vedic version coming through Rūpa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī, Bilvamaṅgala dāsa Ṭhākura, Bhaktivinode Ṭhākura, Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura and Śrīla Prabhupāda. All these literatures coming through disciplic succession in pursuance of the Vedic version must be accept the cent percent as the absolute truth. One must not blaspheme these gurus.\nThe next offence is, \"to consider the glories of chanting Hare Krishna to be imagination.\" Very simply this is just [indistinct] to be mental speculation. Anyone who chants seriously, sincerely with a view to understanding Kṛṣṇa and becoming purified to gain relief from material miseries. Anyone, four classes of men come to Kṛṣṇa. Those in want of money, those in material distress, those who are curious and those who are in knowledge.\nAnyone of these men by chanting Hare Krishna seriously, just after a short time though note the effect. And only because of someone's entanglement, mental activities, mental speculation would they consider this chanting an imaginative process. So we must be careful to avoid all speculation about chanting the holy name. The holy names are pure and this can be experienced by anyone and everyone. [indistinct]\nAnd the next offence, \"To interpret the holy name of the Lord.\" This again, the name of the Lord is non-different from the Lord himself. It can't be changed, Kṛṣṇa is non-different from Kṛṣṇa the personality and it can be understood by any intelligent man verified [indistinct]\nBy hearing Hare Krishna from the authorised spiritual master everyone even if he a very sinful person can become free and can eventually come to a purified state because of the potency of the chanting of Hare Krishna. So we cannot interpret, Kṛṣṇa gives full information about His name. Kṛṣṇa's name, His self, His pastimes...",
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"content": "\n...paraphernalia, are all the same, same on the absolute level.\nSo the next offence is, \"To commit sinful activities on the strength of the holy name of the Lord. Because by chanting the holy name of the Lord one can be freed from all kinds of sinful reactions, it should not be taken that one may continue to act sinfully and after that chant Hare Kṛṣṇa to neutralize his sins. Such a mentality is very dangerous and should be avoided.\"\nSo Kṛṣṇa being the supreme absolute truth Personality of Godhead gives us this chanting of Hare Krishna to come to Him, chant Hare Krishna you can go back home, back to Godhead and come to Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa and His name are non-different, devotional service and the kingdom of God are the same. Devotional service is the beginning of the process in practice. Devotional service and the practice are all bhakti and in the end devotional service is the end.\nDevotional service is non-different from Kṛṣṇa as well, so we must chant and engage in Kṛṣṇa's devotional service. But if we think we can chant and allow our senses still to go still freely, this is a mistake. You may think, \"Oh I will be freed anyway, I will be purified by chanting and then indulge, think about meditate on or engage in some way in the objects of the senses. This is like trying to light a fire while pouring water on the thing.\nHow can you cleanse the lust if you are remaining lustful? If you are deceiving and give in to your lustful desires while meditating on the objects of the senses, or engaging with the objects of the senses at the same time trying to become purified. No, one must try to control the senses. Controlling the senses is very important, we must control our mind and if the senses are out of control the mind cannot be controlled.\nSo the senses must be controlled by meditating on Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet. The Deity in the temple, the picture of Kṛṣṇa, the picture of Vṛndāvana, by controlling our senses, by burning incense in the temple, the smelling of flowers offered to the Deities. Controlling the sense of touch, chanting japa, playing instruments, [indistinct], dancing for Kṛṣṇa.\nAnother sense the tongue, chanting Hare Krishna, taking bhāgavata prasādam. Then the hearing, of course by hearing the transcendental vibration Hare Krishna. All the senses must be controlled this way then the mind will be controlled. And we can focus the mind on Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet. The mind will be wavering here and there, but if we control the lower self...",
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"content": "\n Or, in other words, when you fix up your mind in Kṛṣṇa, then senses will be automatically controlled.",
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"content": "\n This way is difficult. That way is easy. You fix up your mind... Sa vai manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor vacāṁsi vaikuṇṭha-guṇānuvarṇane [SB 9.4.18]. Ambarīṣa Mahārāja, he was a emperor, but he was a great devotee. How? He always fixed up his mind on the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa. Vacāṁsi. Sa vai manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor. Kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor, on the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, he fixed up his mind. Vacāṁsi vaikuṇṭha-guṇānuvarṇane.\nThe next is the tongue. Mind fixed up, then the next sense is, important sense, is the tongue. Next to the mind, the tongue should be controlled. How? By chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa and eating kṛṣṇa-prasādam. Then other senses will be automatically controlled.\n[continues chanting japa]",
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"content": "\n [continues lecture] Then there will be no more sinful activities if the mind is fixed on Kṛṣṇa and the tongue is fixed on Kṛṣṇa. Sinful activities on [indistinct]. One must know the goal by intelligence. We must know the goal...",
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"content": "\n That verse is not quoted there? Sa vai manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor vacāṁsi vaikuṇṭha-guṇānuvarṇane [SB 9.4.18]. Leg should be engaged to go to the temple of Kṛṣṇa. Hand should be engaged for cleansing the temple. Nose should be engaged for smelling tulasī which is offered to the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa. Ear should be engaged for hearing about Kṛṣṇa. Eyes should be engaged for seeing Kṛṣṇa beautifully dressed.\nThese things are... In this way, the temple worship means all these senses being engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, mind and senses. Then they can..., cannot do any harm. They're already engaged. They cannot have any other engagement. And if you keep vacant the mind and the senses, then māyā will capture. Then eye will go to see the cinema and tongue will go to the restaurant, for [indistinct] steak, what is called? These things will be engaged. [laughter] Yes. [continues japa]",
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"content": "\n [continues lecture] The next offence to be avoided is, \"To consider the chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa as one of the auspicious ritualistic activities which are offered in the Vedas as fruitive activities karma-kāṇḍa.\"\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā also it is explained that when your mind has become free from the dense forest of delusion then you will be indifferent to all that is given[?] and all that is to be imparted [?]. By chanting Hare Krishna one becomes immediately free from the dense forest of delusion, I mean ignorance of Kṛṣṇa.\nRemembering Kṛṣṇa and remembering His holy name thereby remembering His lotus feet one is automatically fulfilling all the purposes of the Vedas. In the second chapter of the Bhagavad-gītā [indistinct] the purposes of a small pond are immediately fulfilled by a large reservoir of water [japa] understand [indistinct] the Vedas. All the Vedas [indistinct] all the puerile activities, the rules and regulations. Just fix your mind on Kṛṣṇa [indistinct].\nThe next offence is, \"To instruct a faithless person about the glories of the holy name. Anyone can take part in chanting the holy name of the Lord, but in the beginning one should not be instructed about the transcendental potency of the Lord. Those who are too sinful cannot appreciate the transcendental glories of the Lord, and therefore it is better in the beginning not to instruct them in this matter.\"\nHowever the process of chanting Hare Krishna works so quickly to cleanse the mind that in a very short time the devotees who have come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness relish the activities of the Lord in His form as Kṛṣṇa and in fact the pastimes of Lord Kṛṣṇa are so powerful. Śrīla Prabhupāda points out in the introduction of Kṛṣṇa Book that even if a materialist reads about the activities of Kṛṣṇa and the gopīs and he understands them only on the level of a young boy and young girl.\nStill they will become purified because these activities are 100% transcendental. Kṛṣṇa's pastimes are completely purifying, so anyone who appreciates Kṛṣṇa's activities becomes purified. So we must always try to fix our mind on Kṛṣṇa-Kṛṣṇa's activities, Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet...",
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"content": "\n Bhavauṣadhi śrotra-mano-'bhirāmāt [SB 10.1.4]. Kṛṣṇa's pastimes are described as the medicine of the disease, bhava. Bhava means repeated birth and death. This is a disease. So bhavauṣadhi. The medicine, panacea, for curing this disease, bhavauṣadhi. At the same time, śrotra-mano-'bhirāmāt: it is very pleasing to hear, and very enlightening to the heart. Kṛṣṇa's name is so nice, Kṛṣṇa's pastime is so nice, that it is very pleasing, satisfying, at the same time, it is the medicine for the disease of repeated birth and death. [continues japa]",
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"content": "\n [continues lecture] This is the very reason why Kṛṣṇa appears in the material world at all. He appears so that others may know and hear of His transcendental activities and thereby be attracted to offer to Him and be engaged on the spiritual platform and give up all material desires. Just to know Kṛṣṇa's activities and pastimes are all attractive, Kṛṣṇa means all attractive and His pastimes are to attract the conditioned souls to give up.\nGive up material association and go back to Kṛṣṇa be with Kṛṣṇa in the spiritual realm. And the last offence is, \"To not have complete faith in the chanting of the holy names and to maintain material attachments, even after understanding so many instructions on this matter.\" One of the qualities of...",
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"content": "\n The more you become free from material harassment, the more you make advance in spiritual life, or the more you make advance in spiritual life, the more you become detached to the material life. These are the tests. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra syāt [SB 11.2.42]. Bhakti, devotional life, spiritual life, the test is that viraktir anyatra. Anyatra means beyond, without Kṛṣṇa, everything becomes detestful.\nThe example is given just like a hungry man, when he's eating, as he's eating so he's feeling satisfaction and no hunger, proportionately. And at one time it will come, he'll say, \"No, I don't want any more. I am completely satisfied.\" Svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi varaṁ na yāce [Cc. Madhya 22.42]. Just like Dhruva Mahārāja. He said, \"I am now completely satisfied. I have..., I haven't got to ask anything, benediction.\"\nThat is the progress and ultimate goal of bhakti. As soon as one is saturated with bhakti, he has no more demand, no more attraction for this material world. Not... Kṛṣṇa attraction means decreasing attraction for the material world. Go on. [chants japa] One can test his advancement for spiritual life, how he is being detached to the material life.\nThat's all. It is not to be taken certificate from others. Just like when you eat, you haven't got to take certificate from others. You'll feel, \"Yes, I'm satisfied.\" That's all. You don't require, while eating nicely, you don't require to take certificate: \"Am I eating nicely?\"",
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"content": "\nOne must be convinced of success and Viṣṇu is success the only key to advancement. So Kṛṣṇa gives a taste, you feel satisfaction coming, just like when eating one feels the satisfaction. In Kṛṣṇa consciousness this satisfaction is coming.",
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"content": "\nAnother example is given: the candy. Candy, when a man is suffering from jaundice disease, if you give him candy, he'll taste it bitter. That means more one is materially suffering, he'll not be interested to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But the example is this: The candy is the only medicine for jaundice. So we have to give him candy by force. And as he cure, as he cures, he'll say, \"Oh, candy's very nice. Candy's sweet.\" [laughter]\nSo in the beginning we have to force. We have to give the medicine just like horse is given medicine. Three men required to induce medicine to the mouth of the horse. So this is our duty, to inject Hare Kṛṣṇa medicine, just like pushing medicine in the throat of a horse. By force. [laughter] [japa]\n[devotees chant fire sacrifice prayers]\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurun vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā- śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī, and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārānī, and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāminn iti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nnamas te sārasvate deve gaura-vāṇī-pracāriṇe\nnirviśeṣa-śūnyavādi-pāścātya-deśa-tāriṇe\n[Our respectful obeisances are unto you, O spiritual master, servant of Sarasvatī Gosvāmī. You are kindly preaching the message of Lord Caitanyadeva and delivering the Western countries, which are filled with impersonalism and voidism.]\noṁ ajñāna-timirāndhasya jñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena tasmai śrī-gurave namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance, with the torchlight of knowledge.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayitāya kṛpābdhaye\nkṛṣṇa-sambandha-vijñāna-dāyine prabhave namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrī Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.]\nmādhuryojjvala-premāḍhya-śrī-rūpānuga-bhaktida\nśrī-gaura-karuṇā-śakti-vigrahāya namo 'stu te\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya's mercy, who deliver devotional service which is enriched with conjugal love of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamas te gaura-vāṇī-śrī-mūrtaye dīna-tāriṇe\nrūpānuga-viruddhāpa\nThen neck, neck beads. Neck beads let them...",
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"content": "\n\nsiddhānta-dhvānta-hāriṇe\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Lord Caitanya. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement which is against the teachings of devotional service enunciated by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamo gaura-kiśorāya sākṣād-vairāgya-mūrtaye\nvipralambha-rasāmbhode pādāmbujāya te namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Gaura-kiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja [the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is renunciation personified. He is always merged in a feeling of separation and intense love of Kṛṣṇa.\nnamo bhaktivinodāya sac-cid-ānanda-nāmine\ngaura-śakti-svarūpāya rūpānuga-varāya te\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Saccidānanda Bhaktivinoda, who is transcendental energy of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is a strict follower of the Gosvāmīs, headed by Śrīla Rūpa.]\ngaurāvirbhāva-bhūmes tvaṁ nirdeṣṭā saj-jana-priyaḥ\nvaiṣṇava-sārvabhaumaḥ ṣrī-jagannāthāya te namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who is respected by the entire Vaiṣṇava community and who discovered the place where Lord Caitanya appeared.]\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.]\nnamo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te\nkṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ\n[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\npañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ bhakta-rūpa-svarūpakam\nbhaktāvatāraṁ bhaktākhyaṁ namāmi bhakta-śaktikam\n[I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional incarnation, devotional manifestation, pure devotee, and devotional energy.]\njayatāṁ suratau paṅgor mama manda-mater gatī\nmat-sarvasva-padāmbhojau rādhā-madana-mohanau\n[Glory to the all-merciful Rādhā and Madana-mohana! I am lame and ill advised, yet They are my directors, and Their lotus feet are everything to me.]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.\ndīvyad-vṛndāraṇya-kalpa-drumādhaḥ\nśrīmad-ratnāgāra-siṁhāsana-sthau\nśrīmad-rādhā-śrīla... [break]\n[In a temple of jewels in Vṛndāvana, underneath a desire tree, Śrī Śrī Rādhā-Govinda, served by Their most confidential associates, sit upon an effulgent throne. I offer my most humble obeisances unto Them.]\n...vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devī praṇamāmi hari-priye\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\nThose who are second initiates taking the brahminical initiation. This has been called by His Divine Grace as more important than the first initiation. Receiving Gāyatrī mantra is supposed to be done, done only by those who have become fixed up in the mode of goodness.\nEarlier on I was explaining about the lust full coverings of the living entities. How the lustful covering can be completely cleansed by the chanting of Hare Krishna.",
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"content": "\nGo on. I shall distribute this. Who is this?",
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"content": "\n Should I go on, Śrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n So, after a year's time or less, sometimes more.\n[lecture continues in background] [devotees coming up, taking initiation]",
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"content": "\nĀtmārāma dāsa. Ātmārāma means who is satisfied with self-realization. Next?",
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"content": "\nPurañjana.",
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"content": "\nPurañjana was a great king, devotee, in the history. [japa]",
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"content": "\nHe is completely fixed up in the mode of goodness. Completely cleansed of all lustful coverings. Lustful coverings due to contamination with association with the material modes. So after a short time, if one is qualified because he is fixed in the mode of goodness. Mode of goodness means he is not attracted by the objects of the senses. Belly, anger, the tongue, genitals and so forth. We have to be completely free from material attachments.\nPurañjana.",
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"content": "\nPurañjana was a great king, devotee, in the history. [japa]",
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"content": "\nAll material attachments are completely wiped away by the chanting Hare Krishna. One becomes fixed in the mode of goodness and by taking brahminical initiation from the spiritual master one then eventually becomes qualified, becomes situated in pure goodness and therefore can become a spiritual master himself.",
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"content": "\n[japa]",
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"content": "\nSometimes the tongue as in the case of Śrīla Śukadeva Gosvāmī. He was not required to undergo any purificatory activities and Śukadeva Gosvāmī was completely liberated from birth. But this brahminical initiation is a second birth. This is the title given to the spirit soul taking a second birth. It is dvija, twice born.\nAprākṛta.",
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"content": "\nAprākṛta. Aprākṛta means transcendental. Yes. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then, next?\nThere are different stages of understanding. First understanding is direct perception, pratyakṣa. In Sanskrit word it is called pratyakṣa, direct understanding. That tenth-class understanding. That is not actually understanding, direct perception. But people are giving stress that \"I want to see. I want to touch.\" This is called pratyakṣa.\nThen next is parokṣa, hearing from authorities. Then aparokṣa, realizing. Then adhokṣaja means beyond the perception of the senses. And then aprākṛta, transcendental. These are the stages for going to the aprākṛta, transcendental stage. From direct perception, then pratyakṣa, parokṣa, to take instruction from others. Then realization. Then beyond these senses. Then aprākṛta, transcendental.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is aprākṛta. Kṛṣṇa cannot be understood by direct sense perception. Gradually you have to rise to the aprākṛta stage, which is called vasudeva stage, beyond this material understanding. That will take time. You have to practice that. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Come on.",
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"content": "\nHiraṇyagarbha.",
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"content": "\nHiraṇyagarbha. Hiraṇyagarbha is Lord Brahmā's name. Or Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu's name. Generally Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu's. Hiraṇyagarbha dāsa. That's all right.\nThen, next? Where is...? No neck bead? How is that? Heh? Where is neck bead? Huh? Oh, these things are not good. It must be well equipped. Otherwise, what is the meaning of initiation?\nGive... No neck bead? Go on. First of all get neck beads. Who is next? You have got neck beads? [indistinct comment by devotee] That's alright.",
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"content": "\n Viśvakarmā dāsa.",
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"content": "\nViśvakarmā. That's nice. Viśvakarmā is the engineer of this universe. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. You know what are the rules and regulation?",
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"content": "\nNo intoxication, no illicit sex...",
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"content": "\nThat's right. Next? [laughter] Come on.",
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"content": "\nDineśvara dāsa.",
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"content": "\nDineśvara. Dineśvara is the name of sun, sun-god. Come on. We are all dāsa, not the person. When you call \"Kṛṣṇa,\" \"Kṛṣṇa\" means Kṛṣṇa dāsa. When you call Dineśvara, Dineśvara means Dineśvara's servant. Our position is always servant. Dāsa-anudāsa [Cc. Madhya 13.80]. Servant of the servant, servant of the servant. The more..., the more you become on the lower status of servant, our position is greater. This is...\nCome on. Next. [japa]\nYou arranged for offering this sacrifice? You arranged? [indistinct comment by devotee] What is name?",
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"content": "\n Mahāvī dāsa.",
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"content": "\nMahā...?",
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"content": "\nMahāvī.",
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"content": "\nEh? Mahāvīra. Mahāvīra.",
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"content": "\nM-a-h-a-v-i.",
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"content": "\nM-a-h-a-v-i. Mahāvī?",
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"content": "\nM-a-h-a-v-i.",
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"content": "\n ...'r' Mahāvīra. Mahāvīra is the name of Hanumān, the servant of Lord Rāmacandra. He was very strong. He could raise even the hills for service of the Lord. Mahāvīra. Mahā means great, and vīra means hero. Come on. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [laughter] Don't laugh.\nThen? [japa]",
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"content": "\nBahirṣmatī dāsī.",
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"content": "\nBahiṣmatī, one of the daughters of Manu. Come on. Hare Kṛṣṇa. You know what are the rules? Tell me.",
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"content": "\nNo meat-eating, no illicit sex, no intoxication, no gambling.",
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"content": "\nThank you. Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nCome on. Next. Who's is this?",
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"content": "\nWent to get some neck beads on.",
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"content": "\nOh, all right. Then how many still remaining?",
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"content": "\nThree.",
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"content": "\nAll right. [japa] First of all grains mixed up. [japa]\nCome on. Take your... Come on.\nWhose beads are lying on the floor there? Whose beads?\nOh, you never put it in the floor. When there is no bag, you put like this.",
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"content": "\n Mahāyogi.",
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"content": "\nMahāyogi. Mahāyogi is a name of Lord Śiva. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Take. [japa]",
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"content": "\nUttamaśloka. Uttamaśloka dāsa.",
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"content": "\nUttamaśloka. Uttamaśloka means Kṛṣṇa who is chanted with best verses. Come on. [japa]",
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"content": "\nThe mantras can be recited again, and this time the initiates can mix up the grains in their hands and throw, at the end of each prayer, the grains on the fire by saying svāhā and pouring ghee on the fire. All the initiates. All the initiates should surround the fire. Those who are not initiates can leave.\n[devotees chant fire sacrifice prayers]\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurun vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā- śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī, and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārānī, and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale",
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"content": "\nYou keep it.",
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"content": "\n\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nnamas te sārasvate deve gaura-vāṇī-pracāriṇe\nnirviśeṣa-śūnyavādi-pāścātya-deśa-tāriṇe\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[Our respectful obeisances are unto you, O spiritual master, servant of Sarasvatī Gosvāmī. You are kindly preaching the message of Lord Caitanyadeva and delivering the Western countries, which are filled with impersonalism and voidism.]\noṁ ajñāna-timirāndhasya jñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur unmīlitaṁ...",
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"content": "\nYou keep it. You keep it. [prayers continue] So where is that, he has come? Waiting. I'm going just now. [japa]",
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"content": "\n\n...yena tasmai śrī-gurave namaḥ\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance, with the torchlight of knowledge.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayitāya kṛpābdhaye\nkṛṣṇa-sambandha-vijñāna-dāyine prabhave namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrī Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.]\nmādhuryojjvala-premāḍhya-śrī-rūpānuga...\nBhagavatī.",
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"content": "\nBhagavatī. Goddess Durgā's name. Goddess Durgā, external energy of Kṛṣṇa. [japa]\n...bhaktida\nśrī-gaura-karuṇā-śakti-vigrahāya namo 'stu te\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya's mercy, who deliver devotional service which is enriched with conjugal love of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamas te gaura-vāṇī-śrī-mūrtaye dīna-tāriṇe\nrūpānuga-viruddhāpa siddhānta-dhvānta-hāriṇe\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Lord Caitanya. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement which is against the teachings of devotional service enunciated by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamo gaura-kiśorāya sākṣād-vairāgya-mūrtaye\nvipralambha-rasāmbhode pādāmbujāya te namaḥ\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Gaura-kiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja [the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is renunciation personified. He is always merged in a feeling of separation and intense love of Kṛṣṇa.\nnamo bhaktivinodāya sac-cid-ānanda-nāmine\ngaura-śakti-svarūpāya rūpānuga-varāya te\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Saccidānanda Bhaktivinoda, who is transcendental energy of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is a strict follower of the Gosvāmīs, headed by Śrīla Rūpa.]\ngaurāvirbhāva-bhūmes tvaṁ nirdeṣṭā saj-jana-priyaḥ\nvaiṣṇava-sārvabhaumaḥ ṣrī-jagannāthāya te namaḥ\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who is respected by the entire Vaiṣṇava community and who discovered the place where Lord Caitanya appeared.]\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.]\nnamo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te\nkṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\npañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ bhakta-rūpa-svarūpakam\nbhaktāvatāraṁ bhaktākhyaṁ namāmi bhakta-śaktikam\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional incarnation, devotional manifestation, pure devotee, and devotional energy.]\njayatāṁ suratau paṅgor mama manda-mater gatī\nmat-sarvasva-padāmbhojau rādhā-madana-mohanau\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[Glory to the all-merciful Rādhā and Madana-mohana! I am lame and ill advised, yet They are my directors, and Their lotus feet are everything to me.]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.",
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"content": "\nTapasvinī.",
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"content": "\nTapasvinī: who performs great austerity. [indistinct] ...after performing sacred thread initiation..",
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"content": "\n\ndīvyad-vṛndāraṇya-kalpa-drumādhaḥ\nśrīmad-ratnāgāra-siṁhāsana-sthau\nśrīmad-rādhā-śrīla-govinda-",
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"content": "\n[leaves] [Devotees offering obeisances]\ndevau\npreṣṭhālībhiḥ sevyamānau smarāmi\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[In a temple of jewels in Vṛndāvana, underneath a desire tree, Śrī Śrī Rādhā-Govinda, served by Their most confidential associates, sit upon an effulgent throne. I offer my most humble obeisances unto Them.]\nśrīmān rāsa-rasārambhī vaṁśī-vaṭa-taṭa-sthitaḥ\nkarṣan veṇu-svanair gopīr gopīnāthaḥ śriye 'stu naḥ\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[Śrī Śrīla Gopīnātha, who originated the transcendental mellow of the rāsa dance, stands on the shore in Vaṁśīvaṭa and attracts the attention of the cowherd damsels with the sound of His celebrated flute. May they all confer upon us their benediction.]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devī praṇamāmi hari-priye\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]",
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"content": "\nEveryone stand up.\nnamo brahmaṇya-devāya\ngo-brāhmaṇa-hitāya ca\njagad-dhitāya kṛṣṇāya\ngovindāya namo namaḥ\n[Viṣṇu Purāṇa 1.19.65]\nSvāhā. Svāhā. Svāhā.\nnamo [end]",
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"content": "\n[prema-dhvani] Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\nDr. Atmaram, Ladies and Gentlemen, I thank you very much for your kindly coming here and participating in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Today I shall discuss one chapter from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. This is Seventh Canto, Sixth Chapter, the statement by Prahlāda Mahārāja. [SB 7.6.1]\nPrahlāda Mahārāja was a great devotee, and his father was a great atheist. The struggle between the theist and the atheist is perpetual; it is not new. Actually, anyone who is in this material world, he is supposed to be atheist. Because just like the government gets together all the criminals in the prison house, similarly, those who are disobedient to the laws of the Supreme Lord, such criminals are sent into this material world.\nicchā-dveṣa-samutthena\nsarge yānti parantapa\n[Bg. 7.27]\nIcchā and dveṣa. Icchā means desiring, and dveṣa means hating. These two things are there; it is natural. A living entity… Even in God there is such things, but in God, because He is absolute, His hiṁsā, dveṣa or love is the same thing, advaya-jñāna. Just like, for example, those who are scientifically searching after God, the jñānīs, they also merge into the existence of God; and similarly the enemies, the atheists, just like Hiraṇyakaśipu, Rāvaṇa, Kaṁsa, they were killed by God, but they got the same salvation. That is God, absolute.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja was a son of atheist. His father would not allow him to cultivate Kṛṣṇa consciousness, but he was naturally Kṛṣṇa conscious, and as soon as he would get some opportunity in the school… Because the school was also full of students who were born of atheistic father. So as soon as he would get some opportunity, in the tiffin hour, he would speak something about God consciousness. So that chapter is here. He is teaching to his fellow students:\nkaumāra ācaret prājño\ndharmān bhāgavatān iha\ndurlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma\ntad apy adhruvam arthadam\n[SB 7.6.1]\nThis is the science. Durlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma: this human form of body is very, very difficult to obtain. In this material world there are 8,400,000 species of life: jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi sthavarā lakṣa-viṁśati [Padma Purāṇa]. The aquatic animals, there are nine lakhs, 900,000's. Similarly, sthavarā. Sthavarā means those who cannot move, just like trees, plants, hills, they are called sthavarā. And those who can move, they are called jaṅgama. Sthāvara-jaṅgama: moving and not moving. But all of them are living entities.\nSo this non-moving entities, namely the trees, the plants, the grass, they cannot move, apadāni. They are called apadāni, apadāni catuṣ-padām. Everything is described there, the nature's law. Ahastāni sahastānām apadāni catuṣ-padām [SB 1.13.47]. Nūnaṁ mahatāṁ tatra jīvo jīvasya jīvanam. Ahastāni sahastānām: just like man has got hands; therefore he eats some animal which has no hand, only legs—that means paśu. Similarly, apadāni catuṣ-padām. Apadāni means one who hasn't legs, cannot move—that means the trees and the plants and the grass and the straw—they are foodstuff for the catuṣ-padām, for the animals: goats, cows, buffalo. They eat them. Nūnaṁ mahatāṁ tatra: and those who are weak, they are eatable by the strong.\nIn this way, jīvo jīvasya jīvanam: every living entity is the food of some other living entity. Just like we are eating here animals—not we, but some of us—but we are also eatable by the tigers, because the tiger is strong. So nūnaṁ mahatāṁ tatra. In the jungles there are snakes, big snakes—they eat small snakes. So this is struggle for existence is going on.\nSo we have to pass through all these lives: this tree life, the aquatic life… When the whole world was merged into water, pralaya-payodhi jale [Śrī Daśāvatāra Stotra 1], at that time the living entities were in fish form, aquatics. Then as the land dried, the living entities began to take the forms of trees, plants and grasses. Then gradually, jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati kṛmayo rudra-saṅkhyakāḥ [Padma Purāṇa]. Kṛmayo means insects. There are different kinds of insects; there are eleven lakhs species. And then, pakṣiṇāṁ daśa-lakṣaṇam. You know, every one of you have seen, that worms, they develop their feathers. The ants also, at the time of death they develop their feather.\nSo from the insect life, the evolution comes to the birds' life, pakṣiṇāṁ daśa-lakṣaṇam. And we have to pass through these 10,000 species of life in the bird life. Then paśavaḥ triṁśal-lakṣāṇi: then 300,000's of species of life in the animal kingdom. Then we get mānuṣaḥ catur-lakṣaṇi: there are 400,000 species of life in the human form of body.\nOut of them, ninety percent, they are not to be considered as human being—uncivilized. Maybe ten percent, five percent only, civilized. Amongst the civilized beings, most of them, they are not following the Vedic principles, or even they are following Vedic principles… In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, veda-vāda-ratāḥ pārtha [Bg. 2.42]: simply falsely talking of Vedas, but he does not know what is Veda, what is the purpose of Veda.\nThe purpose of Veda is stated in the Vedānta-sūtra, that \"Vedānta means the last stage of knowledge, or the topmost understanding of knowledge.\" Veda, veda means knowledge, and anta means this end, Vedānta. So Vedānta, in the Vedānta-sūtra, the first aphorism is called athāto brahma jijñāsā. Athāto brahma jijñāsā means that this Vedānta, or this Vedas, they are not meant for the animals. The animals cannot understand what is Veda. They have got knowledge of this āhāra-nidra-bhaya-maithuna.\nWe are trying to improve our material status: how to eat, how to sleep, how to mate, how to have sense enjoyment, sex life, and how to defend. So the defending process, the so-called advancement of civilization in eating, mating and sleeping, these things can be learned without any scientific knowledge. Āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithuna ca sāmānyam etat paśubhir narāṇām.\nEating—we are eating; the dog is also eating; the tiger is also eating; the elephant is eating; the ant is also eating; but they have no problem. The elephant is eating at a time forty kilos, and the ant is eating one grain, but by the arrangement of the Supreme Lord the one grain is also there, and the forty kilos are also there.\nWho is providing for the elephant? Who is providing for the tiger? And who is providing for the ant? But there is arrangement. In the Vedas it is stated, eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān.\nnityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām\neko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān\n[Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]\nThese are the statements of Vedas, that the nityo, the Supreme Lord, is eternal, and we, the living entities, we are also eternal:\nna jāyate na mriyate vā\nnityaḥśāśvato 'yaṁ\nna hanyate hanyamāne śarīre\n[Bg. 2.20]\nSo we are also eternal, and Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord, or the Absolute Truth, or the paraṁ brahma, Paramātmā, He is also eternal. We are equal in quality; and similarly, God is also living force, the creative force—we are also creative force. Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām. Then what is the difference between God and me? The difference is He is eko; He is only one. God is one and we are many, bahūnāṁ. Then what is our relationship? Eko, this one, is feeding all these numer..., manys.\nSo by nature—either you call by nature or by God's arrangement—these problems, āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithuna, is already there. You can see it that out of 8,400,000 species of life, there is only 400,000 species of life in the human kingdom. Out of them, most of them are uncivilized. But except the so-called civilized human being, there is no problem for their eating, sleeping, mating and defending. So why the civilized man will have the problem of eating, sleeping and mating? Why? What is the reason?\nBecause in his civilized form he wants to forget God. That is the fault; that is the offense of the so-called human civilized life. Therefore they are suffering. And Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā,\nteṣāṁ nityābhiyuktānāṁ\nyoga-kṣemaṁ vahāmy aham\n[Bg. 9.22]\nHe is supplying food to everyone. Suppose there are 8,400,000 species of life, and if He is supplying 8,300,000 species of life, why not for the 100,000 species of life, the civilized human form of life? Why? Why God should be so much partial? No, that is not the thing. The real thing is that the so-called civilized man, they are trying to forget God. That is their fault.\nOur process is that whatever you may be—you may be a scientific man, you may be something else, it doesn't matter—but you must see whether you are making perfection of your life. That formula is there in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. It is said there,\nataḥ pumbhir dvija-śreṣṭhā\nvarṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ\nsvanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya\nsaṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam\n[SB 1.2.13]\nYou may be engaged in any occupational duty of your life. Duty means according to position. A scientist's duty is to work in the laboratory; a lawyer's duty is to practice in the court; a businessman's duty is to go and keep up his shop nicely. So there are different kinds of duty. You cannot say that everyone will have the same duty. That is not possible. Just like in our body there are different parts of, limbs. The mouth is doing something, the hand is doing something, the belly, the abdomen, is doing something, the leg is doing something. Similarly, as there is division in the body, there must be social division in the social body. That is called varṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ.\nScientifically we have divided—not we, but by the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:\ncātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ\nguṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ\n[Bg. 4.13]\nThere are four divisions of the human society according to quality and according to karma. Not by birth. He never says by birth. This is not accepted in the śāstras, that these divisions of social life should be calculated by birth. No: by guṇa, by quality, and by karma.\nJust like Dr. Atmaram is scientist because he has acquired the qualities of a scientist, and he is working in his laboratory for scientific research; therefore he is scientist. Similarly, there are divisions. Now there are many divisions, but formerly there were grossly four divisions only: the brāhmaṇa, the kṣatriya, the vaiśya and the śūdra. The most intelligent class of men were know as brāhmaṇas, and the next, the administrator class of men, they are called kṣatriyas, one who gives protection to the citizen from attack by others. So they are called kṣatriyas. And similarly, those who are producing the food products, kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyaṁ vaiśya-karma svabhāva-jam [Bg. 18.44].\nSo the intelligent class, the administrative class, the productive class and the śūdra, the laborer class—this is most scientific division. As there is scientific division in the body—there is brain, there is hand, there is abdomen, there is leg—similarly, these divisions are there, and they have their duty. The brāhmaṇas, they should be truthful: satyam, śamo, damaḥ, titikṣā ārjavaṁ, jñānaṁ vijñānam [Bg. 18.42].\nThis vijñānam science is the subject matter for the brāhmaṇas. It is not the understanding of God is unscientific. Jñānaṁ me sa-vijñānam [Bg. 7.2]. Vijñānam: if we don't understand through science what is God, then that knowledge of God… Just like foolish person, they ascribe some, I mean to say, faulty behavior in the affairs of gopīs, because they know..., they do not know. They have no scientific knowledge of Kṛṣṇa.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā that,\nmanuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu\nkaścid yatati siddhaye\n[Bg. 7.3]\nNot all men—manuṣyā. According to Śrī Rāmānujācārya, manuṣyā means one who has got control over the śāstra. He is called a manuṣyā, śāstra adhikāram. He has described manuṣyā. When he is commenting on this verse, manuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu kaścid yatati siddhaye [Bg. 7.3], Śrī Rāmānujācārya, he says, manuṣyāśāstra adhikāra yajña: \"Those who are fit for understanding the śāstras, the Vedas, they are manuṣyā.\" Otherwise, according to ācārya, they are not considered as manuṣyā.\nmanuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu\nkaścid yatati siddhaye\nyatatām api siddhānāṁ\nkaścin vetti māṁ tattvataḥ\n[Bg. 7.3]\nThose who do not understand what is Kṛṣṇa scientifically, they commit that mistake. Unfortunately, in our society, the so-called reciters of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, they jump over the Tenth Canto, and especially the five chapters describing the rāsa-līlā of Bhagavān Kṛṣṇa, without understanding Kṛṣṇa, because they want cheap adoration from materialistic persons who are very much fond of sex life. So these so-called reciters, they take advantage of this weakness of the public, and at once they go to that rāsa-līlā chapter and recite. Therefore this impression has come.\nOtherwise, one who knows scientifically Kṛṣṇa, he will not jump over like that to recite the five chapters in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam describing Kṛṣṇa's līlā with gopīs. That is very scientific; but these rascals, they do not know. They do not understand what is Kṛṣṇa. They think of Kṛṣṇa as ordinary man:\navajānanti māṁ mūḍhā\nmānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam\n[Bg. 9.11]\nAnd because they want cheap audience, they have caused this defamation against the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nCaitanya Mahāprabhu, He was sannyāsī. No woman could offer Him respect, coming nearer. He ordered that \"Women should offer Me respect from a distant place.\" He has given another verse, that niṣkiñcananam..., niṣkiñcanasya bhagavad bhajanonmukhasya [Cc. Madhya 11.8]: those who are desiring to understand Bhagavān, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, niṣkiñcanasya bhagavad bhajanon mukhasya. Niṣkiñca means one who has no more desire for any material sense enjoyment; they are called niṣkiñca, and such person can engage himself in the devotional service of the Lord. This is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā: \nyeṣāṁ anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ\njanānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām\nte dvandva-moha-nirmuktā\nbhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ\n[Bg. 7.28]\nSo this bhagavad-bhajan is not for ordinary man. Those who are completely uncontaminated from all sinful activities, such person can be engaged in devotional service. Therefore our students are forbidden the prime principles of sinful life: illicit sex life, intoxication, meat-eating and gambling. So when these people are trying to reach Kṛṣṇa, being completely pure from all contamination of sinful life, does it mean they are going to worship Kṛṣṇa who is sinful? Is that very reasonable?\nBut we do not understand Kṛṣṇa; therefore Kṛṣṇa says,\nmanuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu\nkaścid yatati siddhaye\nyatatām api siddhānāṁ\nkaścin vetti māṁ tattvataḥ\n[Bg. 7.3]\nSo understanding of Kṛṣṇa is not for ordinary man, but the most scientific and pure soul. Because Kṛṣṇa says only persons who are siddhas, in the perfectional stage of life, he can understand; not all. Those who are in the perfectional stage of life, brahma-bhūta [SB 4.30.20], out of them, yatatām api siddhānāṁ kaścin, out of them one may—kaścin means one—may understand Kṛṣṇa. And so far His connection with the gopīs, that is not understandable by persons who are not free from sinful activities.\nTherefore there are twelve cantos in the Bhagavad-gītā, er, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, and nine cantos are there for understanding what is Bhagavān. Just like here in the Seventh Chapter…, Seventh Canto, Prahlāda Mahārāja is describing about the bhāgavata-dharma. Bhāgavata-dharma means to understand God. Bhagavān is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and bhāgavata means the knowledge about the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja recommends here,\nkaumāra ācaret prājño\ndharmān bhāgavatān iha\n[SB 7.6.1]\nThis bhāgavata-dharma should be taught to the students from the very childhood, kaumāram. Kaumāra age is from five years to sixteen years. That is the recommendation: kaumāra ācaret prājño dharmān. Why kaumāram? Because if we do not teach the students what is Bhagavān… The scientific knowledge of the students, every educational quality, can be achieved or attained when it is attempted in childhood. In old age it is not possible.\nSome times ago I read in the paper in the Yurjand[?] district one father and one daughter appeared in B.A. examination. The daughter passed nicely; the father failed. Therefore any educational system should be taught from the beginning of life. This Prahlāda Mahārāja says, kaumāra ācaret prājño. Prājño means one who is actually in knowledge, they should teach the science of God, bhagavad-vijñāna, this bhagavad-vijñāna:\nevaṁ prasanna-manaso\nbhagavad-bhakti-yogataḥ\nbhagavat-tattva-vijñānaṁ\n[Bg. 7.1]\nIt is not sentiment; it is vijñānaṁ.\nevaṁ prasanna-manaso\nbhagavad-bhakti-yogataḥ\n[Bg. 7.1]\nIf you train yourself in the bhagavad-bhakti-yoga, then you’ll become very joyful, prasanna-manaso. That is the scientific knowledge of God. The symptom... If anyone says that \"I know what is God,\" the symptom must be there. What is the symptom? Joyfulness.\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg. 18.54]\nSo this bhakti-yoga is so nice that if we execute it properly, according to the scientific way:\nśravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ\nsmaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam\narcanaṁ vandanaṁ dāsyaṁ\nsakhyam ātma-nivedanam\n[SB 7.5.23]\nThese are the scientific process. The first process is that you must hear. As you go to college and hear the professor then you become advanced in that particular type of knowledge, similarly, you must hear first of all. Without hearing, how you can understand God? Without hearing, you cannot understand any ordinary subject matter. How you can understand the Absolute Truth without hearing? Therefore the Vedānta recommends, athāto brahma jijñāsā: \"Now you inquire about this human form of life. Now inquire about God.\" But where is that education? Where is that education?\nI was invited to speak in Massachusetts Technological Institute. So my first challenge was that \"Where is your technology by which you can distinguish a dead man and a living man? What is that technology? How you distinguish, this dead man and the living man?\" I speak of my father, my brother: \"Here is my father, here is my brother,\" but when they are dead, I say, \"My father has gone; my brother has gone.\" Where he has gone? He is lying there. Where is your science to see what…, who was your father, who was your brother? Where is that science? If you say, \"This body is my father,\" then the body is lying there; why you are crying? Why you are saying that \"My brother is gone\"? That means you have never seen your brother, never seen your father—so in blindness.\nSo what is the use of that scientific knowledge? If you have got scientific knowledge, if you say that \"This is a lump of matter, chemicals,\" then replace that chemical and make him alive again. That is scientific knowledge—not theory. Just like Darwin's theory: he has no knowledge, scientific knowledge, how these bodies are evolutionary. He says \"something missing,\" or so many theories. No.\nHere is the scientific theory, that Prahlāda Mahārāja says, durlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma. He knows the science; therefore he says durlabhaṁ. This human form of life is very rare. Why? Because he knows that the soul had to pass through so many millions of bodies: vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya [Bg. 2.22]. Just like we change our dress, one dress to another, similarly the soul is changing from the aquatic body to the plant life, to the plant life to the insect life, from insect life to bird's life, to bird's life to beast's life, from beast's life to human form—this evolution.\nThe body is not evolving; the soul is getting different types of body according to his desire, either by nature's arrangement or by his own will. So long he is living within the bodies less than human body, it is nature's arrangement.\nprakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni\nguṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ\nahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā\nkartāham iti manyate\n[Bg. 3.27]\nkarmaṇā daiva-netreṇa\njantur dehopapattaye\n[SB 3.31.1]\nThese are scientific statements. The difference is that we do not consult this scientific knowledge; we want to make research with our blunt senses. That is not possible. We have to take scientific knowledge from the authorities, Vedas. Just like Veda says that stool, animal stool, is impure, but the cow's stool is pure. Now you can argue both of them are animal by physiological, biological condition. So why one animal's stool is pure and other animal's stool impure? But if you analyze scientifically you will see the cow dung is full of antiseptic property.\nSo if you take knowledge, scientific knowledge, from the Vedas, you save the time. That is deductive knowledge. You take the knowledge from the perfect and you get perfect knowledge: yasmin vijñāte sarvam evaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3].\nBut if you take knowledge from imperfect, then your knowledge is imperfect. Therefore scientific knowledge should be taken from the Vedas; it is everything there. Simply we have to search out a qualified professor, tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. This evābhigacchet means \"must\"; otherwise he will not be able to understand.\nSo God's knowledge is scientific, jñānaṁ me sa-vijñānam. So this religion without scientific knowledge is simply sentiment; it has no value. Generally religion is going on under sentiment; therefore the condition of the human society is so fallen. But the whole science is described there. It must be learned from the qualified professor; otherwise... And religion means, it is stated, dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītaṁ [SB 6.3.19]. Religion is not unscientific, because it is coming from the most perfect, nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]. Aparuṣa. \"How it is coming?\" you can say. Therefore the Supreme Personality comes personally and establishes religion—most scientific. He comes here,\nparitrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ\nvināśāya ca duṣkṛtām\ndharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya\nsambhavāmi yuge yuge\n[Bg. 4.8]\nSo a man cannot give religion. Man-made religion is not religion. But the religion given by God, that is religion. And what is that religion?\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja\nahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo\nmokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ\n[Bg. 18.66]\nKṛṣṇa says that \"You give up everything, simply surrender unto Me, and I will give you all protection and all knowledge.\"\nteṣām evānukampārtham\naham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥ\nnāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-stho\njñāna-dīpena bhāsvatā\n[Bg. 10.11]\nSo if you… Our only disease is that we have revolted against God; therefore we are under the clutches of māyā, illusion.\ndaivī hy eṣā guṇa-mayī\nmama māyā duratyayā\nmām eva ye prapadyante\nmāyām etāṁ taranti te\n[Bg. 7.14]\nThis is the process. We are placed under the clutches of māyā, therefore we are in illusion; we do not know what to do. But if you put yourself under the protection of the Supreme, then you know everything.\nBut you cannot claim that you are independent. You are not independent. That is another māyā. We are dependent; every one of us, we are dependent. Just like we Indians, we are dependent on the government. So where is your independence? You want to do something, but the government will not allow it—then you are dependent. In any condition you are dependent.\nI talked with Professor Kotovsky in Moscow. So there were many talks. I ultimately, I told Professor, \"After all, you have surrendered to something, somebody. You have surrendered to Lenin, and we have surrendered to Kṛṣṇa.\" So the principle of surrender is there, either you become Communist or this \"ist\" or that \"ist.\" So our conclusion is that \"Why should we surrender to Lenin? Let us surrender to Kṛṣṇa.\" Paraṁ vijayate śrī-kṛṣṇa-saṅkīrtanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].\nThank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n ...my Guru Mahārāja was in his last days, these rascal doctors injected... Our, this Kuñjabihārī, Tīrtha Mahārāja brought so many big, big doctors. And he protested, \"Why are you giving me injection?\" He protested. He personally said, \"Why are you giving me injection?\" And if you bring a doctor, the rascals will not stop: \"Oh, that is our treatment. We must try our best.\" They will plead like that. \"To give more trouble to the patient, that is our business.\"\nInventing new medicines means inventing new means of giving trouble. That's all. As soon as you ask them whether by injection the life is guaranteed, they will say, \"No. There is no guarantee. Let us try, make experiment.\" [laughter]\n[indistinct comment by devotee]\nYes. In hospital, as soon as you get [indistinct—microphone moving]... Whatever nonsense knowledge they have got, they make experiment, at the risk of other's life.",
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"content": "\n When Himāvatī broke her leg they wanted to operate. I said, \"Oh, no chance. No operation.\" Then they immediately said, \"Then maybe she'll never walk again.\"",
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"content": "\n Just see.",
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"content": "\n So I said, \"Well, how can we tell?\" They said, \"Well, there's no way to tell.\"",
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"content": "\n Huh? [laughter]",
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"content": "\n I said, \"Suppose we operate. Then it's guaranteed that everything will be all right?\" They said, \"No.\" But they thought they should do that, you know.",
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"content": "\n Yes. They canvass, they convince like that and make experiment. That is their business. They have no, I mean to say, assured idea. Simply experiment. All these hospitals, they are meant for making experiment. I think I have told you one story of my servant. Did I?",
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"content": "\n No. I don't think so.",
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"content": "\n No. Tell us the story.",
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"content": "\n Please tell us the story. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n [laughs] The servant was crying, \"Oh! I am dying, I am dying, I am dying.\" So I immediately called ambulance and took her [him] to the hospital. Then, when I went there, there were so many neophyte doctors. They experimented, and they said, \"Immediate operation is required.\"\n\"Why?\" They gave us some technical terms. Then their leader doctor came. He said, \"All right. Let us see this night. Then, next morning we shall operate.\" So I asked him, \"I can go? He may remain in your charge?\" \"Yes.\" So I went, came back.\nAnd when I was absent, another servant was with neighbor, he told to my wife that \"Babuji\"—Babuji means master—\"it is unnecessarily he has taken to hospital. He was drunk, and he was crying like that. [laughter] He's drunk.\" So my wife told that he was drunk, and he was therefore crying like that. \"No, no. Doctor says that it is a serious case [laughter] and it is to be operated.\"\nAnd the next morning the servant came back. \"And why you come back? You were to be operated?\" \"Oh, thik hai. It is now all right.\" Just see. The rascals were going to operate. He was drunk. In drunken state he was crying, and they took it a case of operation. That is my practical experience. Everything you take there: \"Operation.\"",
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"content": "\n That's a symptom of the modern civilization, Śrīla Prabhupāda.",
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"content": "\n Operation. That is... Demons are to be cheated like that. Simply operation. Simply operation. Bās.",
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"content": "\n Also they're trying to get money.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Injection and operation, that is in their hands.",
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"content": "\n Should we try to avoid getting injections as much as possible?",
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"content": "\n That is my opinion. But as soon as you go to a medical man, especially in your country, first of all you have to give blood. Immediately. [laughter] One ounce of blood immediately. First business. And then other injection. Because I underwent so many medical examination, I have got experience. For my immigration.\nI think, three or four times I was under health examination, and blood-taking, and injection. Of course, it is not very painful. [chuckles] That arrangement is there. But the business is like that, \"First of all give your blood; then talk of other things.\" Better to die without a doctor. [laughter] That's the best principle. Don't call any doctor. Simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and die peacefully.",
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"content": "\n But what about when you're not going to die? What about when you have some problems that's not fatal. Then who do you call?",
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"content": "\n Then go take injection. What can be done? [laughter] There is no alternative.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] body. How long will you be feeling bad from the injection?",
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"content": "\n If it remains simply for a while, that is sufficient to kill you. There is no question of how long.",
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"content": "\n It's just that you don't look very... You don't look like your normal self. There's no [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Sometimes they do business, simply water they inject. Yes. Simply water and take fee. They know there is no necessity of medicine; still, they will inject some water, distilled water, and take the fees.",
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"content": "\n There are some people, doctors...",
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"content": "\nI have seen the doctors and some, I mean to say, ordinary man, illiterate: \"What kind of treatment you want? Injection or medicine?\" So naturally, he will say, \"The best one. I want to...\" \"Then you have to take injection.\"",
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"content": "\n Or both. You might get both.",
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"content": "\n Yes. I have seen, they have spoken like that. Because the patient will think, \"Oh, if I take injection, I'll be very nicely..., very quickly cured.\" He will canvass like that. Because if he gives a bottle of medicine, that will not be very costly. But injection in his hand, he'll at least five rupees, that much. So he'll canvass like that, \"What kind of treatment you want, injection or ordinary medicine?\" So he'll say, \"Sir, best medicine I want.\" \"Then you take injection.\" That's all.\nIt is a fact that the whole human civilization is a society of cheaters and cheated. That's all. Any field. Mayaiva vyāvahārike [SB 12.2.3]. The whole world in this Kali-yuga: mayaiva vyāvahārike. Vyāvahārike means ordinary dealings, there will be cheating. Ordinarily, there will be cheating. Daily affairs. Not to speak of very great things. Ordinary dealings, there will be cheating. That is stated in the Bhāgavata, mayaiva vyavahari. \nThe sooner you get out of this scene is better. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So long you live, you simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and preach Kṛṣṇa's glories, and that's all. Otherwise, you should know that this is dangerous place. Padaṁ padaṁ yad vipadāṁ [SB 10.14.58]. In every step there is danger. [end]",
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"content": "\n ...coming from Prahlāda Mahārāja's instruction, I'll request you to practice another prayer. I'll pray the last line, govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi **. You'll repeat that. Now try to unders...\n[chants one word at a time with devotees repeating:]\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\n[sings:] Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\n[repeats several times, devotees trying to sing along]\nThe meaning of this line is govindam, the Govinda, Kṛṣṇa, and govindam ādi-puruṣam. Ādi-puruṣam means the original person. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam, \"unto You,\" bhajāmi, \"I offer my respectful obeisances.\" This is the meaning. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi. Repeat.",
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"content": "\n Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\ncintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa-\nlakṣāvṛteṣu surabhīr abhipālayantam\nlakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.29]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\nRepeat.\nveṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣaṁ\nbarhāvataṁsam asitāmbuda-sundarāṅgam\nkandarpa-koṭi-kamanīya-viśeṣa-śobhaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.30]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is adept in playing on His flute, with blooming eyes like lotus petals with head decked with peacock's feather, with the figure of beauty tinged with the hue of blue clouds, and His unique loveliness charming millions of Cupids.]\nRepeat.",
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"content": "\n Loudly. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\nYes. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\nālola-candraka-lasad-vanamālya-vaṁśī-\nratnāṅgadaṁ praṇaya-keli-kalā-vilāsam\nśyāmaṁ tri-bhaṅga-lalitaṁ niyata-prakāśaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.31]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, round whose neck is swinging a garland of flowers beautified with the moon-locket, whose two hands are adorned with the flute and jeweled ornaments, who always revels in pastimes of love, whose graceful threefold-bending form of Śyāmasundara is eternally manifest.]\nGovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi.\naṅgāni yasya sakalendriya-vṛtti-manti\npaśyanti pānti kalayanti ciraṁ jaganti\nānanda-cinmaya-sad-ujjvala-vigrahasya\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.32]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, whose transcendental form is full of bliss, truth, substantiality and is thus full of the most dazzling splendor. Each of the limbs of that transcendental figure possesses in Himself, the full-fledged functions of all the organs, and eternally sees, maintains and manifests the infinite universes, both spiritual and mundane.]\nadvaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam\nādyaṁ purāṇa-puruṣaṁ nava-yauvanaṁ ca\nvedeṣu durlabham adurlabham ātma-bhaktau\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.33]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, whose transcendental form is full of bliss, truth, substantiality and is thus full of the most dazzling splendor. Each of the limbs of that transcendental figure possesses in Himself, the full-fledged functions of all the organs, and eternally sees, maintains and manifests the infinite universes, both spiritual and mundane.]\nThank you. So in this way, Brahma-saṁhitā you'll learn, and there is Brahma-saṁhitā book, discuss translation, purport.\nkaumāra ācaret prājño\ndharmān bhāgavatān iha\ndurlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma\ntad apy adhruvam arthadam\n[SB 7.6.1]\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: One who is sufficiently intelligent should use the human form of body from the very beginning of life—in other words, from the tender age of childhood—to practice the activities of devotional service, giving up all other engagements. The human body is most rarely achieved, and although temporary like other bodies, it is meaningful because in human life one can perform devotional service. Even a slight amount of sincere devotional service can give one complete perfection.]\nThis verse we have been discussing for the last three days. So Prahlāda Mahārāja's argument is that everyone, if he is intelligent... If he's a rascal, that is a different thing. Because the science of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness, is not meant for the rascals. It is meant for the intellectual person. Kṛṣṇa yei bhaje sei baḍa caturā.\n[One who takes to Kṛṣṇa consciousness seriously and perfectly, he must be very, very intelligent.]\nUnless one is very intelligent, he cannot be God conscious or Kṛṣṇa conscious. Therefore this word is used, prājñā. Prājñā means... Pra means prakṛṣṭa-rūpena, specifically. Jñā, jñā means a man of intellect. So bhāgavata-dharma, what is that bhāgavata-dharma? That I have already explained. Again we can repeat. Bhāgavata-dharma means to reestablish our lost relationship with God. This is bhāgavata-dharma.\nTherefore in every, I mean to..., section of human society there is attempt to reestablish our relationship with God. But at the present moment there is systematic propaganda to forget whatever little relationship we have got. We do not understand what is the science of God, but still, people know that there is something like God. So we are just trying. This is the symptom of this Kali-yuga.\nThey will manufacture objects of worship, but not worship God. They will present so many false God, but they will not worship the real God. One has to worship something, because it is my nature; I worship. Somebody worships God and somebody worships dog. Because I cannot remain without worshiping. Worshiping means loving. Without love there is no worship, there is no question.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja says that this bhāgavata-dharma... Bhāgavata-dharma means to revive our lost relationship with God. We should know what is God. We should know what we are, living entities. We should know what is this material nature. We should know what is time, and we should know what are our real activities.\n[aside:] Why don't you come forward? The sunshine is troubling you. So come forward. Yes. Sit comfortably.\nSo bhāgavata-dharma means it is scientific knowledge. It is not sentiment. Religion without philosophical understanding is sentiment. And philosophy without understanding of God is mental speculation. So we should not be both—neither sentimentalist nor dry mental speculators.\nThere is a class of mental speculators, they're writing volumes of books, but there is no substance. And there are some religious fanatics, but they do not know, do not understand what is religion. So these two classes of men are now very prominent at the present moment. But Śrīmad-Bhāgavata or Bhagavad-gītā, if anyone is intelligent he'll know that it is combination of religious sentiment plus philosophy. To understand religion on the basis of philosophy and logic, not blindly accepting. So this is called bhāgavata-dharma.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja recommends that from childhood this should be instructed. Because nobody is caring to teach this science of God from childhood. Therefore the present population, godless population, is the cause of all disturbances. In the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find varṇa-saṅkara. Varṇa-saṅkara means population, unwanted population.\nWhat is the use of this population? Simply for living? The Bhāgavata says does the tree not live? The tree also lives for thousands of years. So do you mean to say living is very important thing? No. There are many trees they are living for thousands of years. So what is the value of living?\nIf you say, \"Oh, the tree lives, but it cannot breathe.\" Breathing. The Bhāgavata says the bellow, it breathes very nicely. \"Well, the bellow can breathe, but it cannot eat.\" \"Oh, the dogs and hogs, they do not eat?\" There are so many questions and answers in the Bhāgavata. But actually, population, important population, means who are conversant with the science of God.\nThat is important population. Otherwise, what is the use of living? Śaṅkarācārya lived for thirty-two years, and Lord Jesus Christ, I think he also lived similarly. Lord Caitanya lived for forty-eight years. But their philosophy and God consciousness is so important, they are still living. Kalpante sthayinā guṇāḥ. Cāṇakya Paṇḍita said, āyuṣaḥ kṣaṇa vidyanti. Āyuṣaḥ kṣaṇa vidyanti. \n[Even one moment of life spent cannot be regained for millions of gold coins. Therefore, what greater loss is there than time spent uselessly?]\nĀyuṣaḥ means this duration of life, it can be finished at any moment, but kalpante sthayinā guṇāḥ: but if you are a qualified man, then your qualities will be remembered for many, many thousands of years. Therefore live for the best qualities, to acquire the best qualities, God consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja recommends to the world society that from the very beginning of childhood this science should be taught. Why? Durlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma tad apy adhruvam arthadam. Now this human form of life is very important.\nŚrīdhara Swami comments on this, kaumāra ity ādinā, ihaiva mānuṣa-janmani dharmān ācaret. Now question may be why in this birth of human life it is so much stressed? The answer is durlabham. Durlabham means the intelligence that you have got now in this form of body, it is very rare.\nThe intelligence, how it is rare? How it is important? Now here we are discussing about science of God, maybe very small number of men we are sitting, but we are all, because we are human being, we are able to discuss. But we cannot call a cat or dog and sit down here and understand the science of God. That is not possible. So except human body, in any other form of life there is no possibility. You can become a tiger or a lion, very powerful, but it is a useless life. Useless life.\nI had correspondence with one gentleman in England. He says that \"We want to be tiger.\" So I answered, \"What is the use of tiger?\" Tigers, to become tiger... Tiger is very important animal? It is, rather, enemy of the human society. So actually, the present society is producing tigers or hogs or dogs or camels, like that—in the form of human body. The real human body, the intelligence should be utilized to understand God consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Tad api janma.\nWhy... Somebody may say that \"I may... Let me enjoy this life. I shall try for Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness, next life. Or after enjoying life in my youthhood, then we shall try.\" So Prahlāda Mahārāja answers, \"No, don't remain confident that you shall live long or remain confident that you are getting next life also human form of life.\"\nNo. Adhruvam. There is no certainty. But if you begin Kṛṣṇa consciousness in this life and try to achieve the result to some extent, even one percent, two percent, your life, next life, is guaranteed a human form of life. It is such a nice thing.\nBecause it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga bhraṣṭo sanjāyate [Bg. 6.41].\n[The unsuccessful yogī, after many, many years of enjoyment on the planets of the pious living entities, is born into a family of righteous people, or into a family of rich aristocracy.]\nOne who cannot fulfill the entire course of understanding the science of God, but because he has begun to understand it, never mind he has understood it one percent, two percent, ten percent... Not ten percent. Unless one understands the science cent per cent, he does not get liberation. But even one percent. Svalpam apy asya dharmasya trāyate mahato bhayāt [Bg. 2.40].\n[In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution, and a little advancement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear.]\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find this stanza, that even little percentage of God consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is attempted, then you can be saved from the greatest danger.\nThere are many instances in the śāstra, Ajāmila. Simply he was most, I mean to say, a sinful man. All through his life he acted simply sinfully, but at the end of his life, just at the point of death, he remembered Nārāyaṇa. That also in connection with his youngest son. And because he uttered the name \"Nārāyaṇa,\" he remembered Nārāyaṇa, and simply by remembering Nārāyaṇa he was, I mean to say, liberated. So there were many instances. So svalpam apy asya dharmasya trāyate mahato bhayāt. [Bg. 2.40].\n[In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution, and a little advancement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear.]\nIn the Śrīmad-Bhāgavata, Nārada has instructed Vyāsadeva,\ntyaktvā sva dharmaṁ caraṇāmbhujaṁ harer\nbhajann apakvo 'tha patet tato yadi\n[SB 1.5.17]\n[One who has forsaken his material occupations to engage in the devotional service of the Lord may sometimes fall down while in an immature stage, yet there is no danger of his being unsuccessful. On the other hand, a nondevotee, though fully engaged in occupational duties, does not gain anything.]\nNārada, he's instructing. Vyāsadeva is disciple of Nārada Muni. So Vyāsadeva was not very happy, even he wrote so many books, even Vedānta-sūtra. He wrote Mahābhārata, he wrote all the Purāṇas, and he wrote the philosophy, Vedānta-sūtra, and still, he was feeling unhappy. So at that time Nārada Muni came and instructed him, and he asked that \"Why I'm not feeling happy? In spite of working so hard about writing all these different kinds of Vedic literature, why I am not feeling happy?\"\nSo Nārada Muni instructed him, \"Because you have not very elaborately discussed about the science of God. You have simply superficially given some moral instruction to the society, some social instruction, but..., some political instruction, Mahābhārata.\" Just like Mahābhārata, you'll find first-class political discussion, first-class social, economics, everything is there. But still, there is Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo Vyāsadeva has done, but still he was not feeling. So at that time Nārada Muni instructed him that \"You simply describe about God, about Kṛṣṇa.\" Then he wrote this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In that connection he said, tyaktvā sva dharmaṁ caraṇāmbujaṁ harer bhajann apakvo 'tha patet tato yadi. [SB 1.5.17]\n[One who has forsaken his material occupations to engage in the devotional service of the Lord may sometimes fall down while in an immature stage, yet there is no danger of his being unsuccessful. On the other hand, a nondevotee, though fully engaged in occupational duties, does not gain anything.]\nJust like many students come to us, and they stick for some days, again go away. Not very much, but I have got experience. Some boys came, three, four boys, they are no longer with us; they have left us. Now Nārada Muni said tyaktvā sva-dharmam. Sva-dharmam means everyone has got his specific activity, duty. So Nārada Muni says even if...\nOf course, this specific duty is in reference with the system of varṇa and āśrama. Just like somebody is brāhmaṇa, executing the duties of a brāhmaṇa; somebody is executing the duty of a kṣatriya; somebody is executing the duty of a vaiśya, or a śūdra, or a brahmacārī, or a sannyāsī, vānaprastha.\nThere are eight divisions. So Nārada Muni says that if one gives up his occupational duty, specific duty either as a brahmacārī or sannyāsī or gṛhastha or brāhmaṇa or kṣatriya, he gives up. Why he gives up? Tyaktvā sva-dharmaṁ caraṇāmbujaṁ harer [SB 1.5.17].\n[One who has forsaken his material occupations to engage in the devotional service of the Lord may sometimes fall down while in an immature stage, yet there is no danger of his being unsuccessful. On the other hand, a nondevotee, though fully engaged in occupational duties, does not gain anything.]\nBy sentiment or by association, he becomes encouraged that \"I shall take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. I shall give up everything.\"\nSo Nārada Muni says, \"Oh, it is a very good thing. Even if he's sentimental.\" Tyaktvā sva-dharmaṁ caraṇāmbujaṁ harer. And because one comes by sentiment to understand Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he cannot stick. So bhajann apakvo 'tha. That means, bhajann, when the execution of devotional service is not complete, apakvo, immature... Tyaktvā sva-dharmaṁ caraṇāmbujaṁ harer bhajann apakvo 'tha patet tato yadi. Or even falls down.\nSuppose a brahmacārī, he's supposed to follow the laws of celibacy, but he could not. He falls down. There are so many rules and regulations. And... He began the execution of devotional service, but some way or other māyā catches him and he falls down. Nārada Muni says, \"Oh, there is no loss for him.\" Yatra kva vābhadram abhūd amuṣya kiṁ ko vā..., ko vā artha āptaḥ sva abhajatāṁ adharmataḥ..., sva-dharmataḥ [SB 1.5.17].\nNārada Muni says that even if he falls down he does not lose anything. But what does he gain if one is engaged in his occupational duty as a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, or this or that? If he sticks to his occupational duty and does not understand Kṛṣṇa consciousness, what does he gain? He does not gain anything.\nSuppose if one follows the rules and regulations of a brāhmaṇa. His next life he may get a brāhmaṇa birth or a very, I mean to say, learned family. Like that he can get. But that is not a very good gain. But Nārada Muni says if one has begun the occupational duty of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, giving up all other occupational duty, even if he falls down, that one percent, two percent remains as his asset so that he will be able to begin from next life again Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo it is so nice that even one falls down, it will not... Whatever he has done, whatever you have done, that is your permanent asset. Permanent asset, because it is spiritual. This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is spiritual. As spirit soul is eternal, permanent, similarly, any activity on the spiritual platform is eternal. It will never be lost. So there are many instructions like this.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja is also stressing on that point, that durlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma tad apy adhruvam arthadam. Although this human form of life is not very long, but you can get the very nice result out of it. Arthadam. Artha. Artha means profit. So real profit is spiritual profit. That is real profit, because that will never be lost. And material profit, suppose you become M.A., Ph.D., Doctor, or Rockefeller or Ford, or something like that. You gain so many material things. But as soon as this body is finished, everything is finished.\nYou are no more Rockefeller, you are no more M.A. Suppose you get again a birth in a human family, so you have to again begin your education to come to the point of M.A. Or you have to begin your life to become again Rockefeller. This Rockefeller estate is left here. You have to begin again. You do not know whether you are going to be Rockefeller or some feller.\nBut at least, it is certain that whatever material gain you acquire, that will be finished with this body. That is a fact. So you have to begin again. But if you take up this Kṛṣṇa consciousness even one percent, that will never be finished. It will give you... Just like a seed. A seed, if you sow on the earth and you put little water, it will grow. It will grow. It will never be stopped. Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore says,\nei rūpe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān jīva\nguru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja\n[Cc. Madhya 19.151]\n[”According to their karma, all living entities are wandering throughout the entire universe. Some of them are being elevated to the upper planetary systems, and some are going down into the lower planetary systems. Out of many millions of wandering living entities, one who is very fortunate gets an opportunity to associate with a bona fide spiritual master by the grace of Kṛṣṇa. By the mercy of both Kṛṣṇa and the spiritual master, such a person receives the seed of the creeper of devotional service.]\nBīja means seed. So hundreds and thousands and millions of living entities are rotating in many places in the kingdom of God, both material and spiritual. There are so many planets, and each planet there are so many countries, towns, cities, life, varieties of... So the living entity is circumambulating in different kinds of species of life, different kinds of countries, places, planets. That is their material business.\nSo in this way, while traveling, if he meets by chance a devotee of God, Kṛṣṇa, and if he gets that seed... Ei rūpe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona... That is obtained fortunately. Fortunately. Ei rūpe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān jīva [Cc. Madhya 19.151]. \"Fortunate,\" this very word is used, \"fortunate.\" Nobody can capture the seed of God consciousness or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But it is very... It is meant for the fortunate. So all right, he may be fortunate, but devotees of Lord Kṛṣṇa and God, they are trying to make others fortunate. They are approaching, canvassing. So if anybody is intelligent, he catches up.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that mālī hañā sei bīja kara āropaṇa [Cc. Madhya 19.152].\n[”When a person receives the seed of devotional service, he should take care of it by becoming a gardener and sowing the seed in his heart. If he waters the seed gradually by the process of śravaṇa and kīrtana [hearing and chanting], the seed will begin to sprout.]\nNow, suppose you have got the seed of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, now it is your duty to become a gardener. How? Mālī hañā sei bīja kara āropaṇa, śravaṇa kīrtana jale kara secana. Just like you sow a seed in your garden or in your house and put some little water daily and it grows gradually, similarly, if you have captured the seed of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness, just pour water on it of this hearing and chanting. Then it will one day fructify. It will never be lost. It will grow, grow, grow. And when it is fully grown and the fruit is there... And what is that fruit? That fruit is love of Godhead. Then your life is successful.\nSo it should be begun from the childhood. That is the instruction of Prahlāda Mahārāja, that,\nkaumāraṁ ācaret prājño\ndharmān bhāgavatān iha\ndurlābhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma\ntad apy adhruvam arthadam\n[SB 7.6.1]\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: One who is sufficiently intelligent should use the human form of body from the very beginning of life—in other words, from the tender age of childhood—to practice the activities of devotional service, giving up all other engagements. The human body is most rarely achieved, and although temporary like other bodies, it is meaningful because in human life one can perform devotional service. Even a slight amount of sincere devotional service can give one complete perfection.]\nThis human life is also not permanent, but you can acquire a permanent thing. This is the opportunity. Therefore it should be learned from the very beginning of your life.\nNow next line he says,\nyathā hi puruṣasya iha\nviṣṇoḥ pādopasarpaṇam\nyad eṣa sarva-bhūtānām\npriya ātmeśvaraḥ suhṛt\n[SB 7.6.2]\n[The human form of life affords one a chance to return home, back to Godhead. Therefore every living entity, especially in the human form of life, must engage in devotional service to the lotus feet of Lord Viṣṇu. This devotional service is natural because Lord Viṣṇu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the most beloved, the master of the soul, and the well-wisher of all other living beings.]\nVery important. We are searching after a lover. That day the boys were singing, what is that singing? You said?",
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"content": "\n Jaya. Better find out somebody to love. That is the problem. That is the problem of this life. Everyone is there... Now, after disappointment they say that \"I had tried to find out somebody, girl or boy, to love, but I was, I mean to say, frustrated, disappointed. Now I find the dog is the best friend.\" Yes. Actually, they say like that: \"We find the dog is the best friend.\" Is it not? Yes. Why?\nEveryone is searching after to love somebody. That's a fact. Because we are lover. Our constitutional position is lover. Prahlāda Mahārāja says that Viṣṇu..., your loving object is Viṣṇu. So try to love Viṣṇu, then your life will be successful. You'll feel satisfaction. Yayātmā suprasīdati. You'll feel, \"Oh, I have got something now. Now I have got this loving object.\" In another place Prahlāda Mahārāja said, na te viduḥ svārtha gatiṁ hi viṣṇu [SB 7.5.31]. \n[Persons who are strongly entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is to return home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Viṣṇu. As blind men guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, materially attached men led by another materially attached man are bound by the ropes of fruitive labor, which are made of very strong cords, and they continue again and again in materialistic life, suffering the threefold miseries.]\nThey do not know what is their actual loving object. That is Viṣṇu. And in the Vedic mantra, Ṛg mantra, it is said, tad viṣṇoḥ paramaṁ padaṁ sadā paśyanti sūrayaḥ [Ṛg-veda 1.22.20].\n[The lotus feet of Lord Viṣṇu are the supreme objective of all the demigods. These lotus feet of the Lord are as enlightening as the sun in the sky.]\nThose who are demigods, they are always sūrayaḥ. Sūrayaḥ means... Just like Āryans and non-Āryans. Then there's suri and asuri, or sura or asura. Asura, asura means demons, and sura, just the opposite. Or Āryans and non-Āryans. So the Āryans... Āryans, the real meaning, the Sanskrit word Āryans means progressive. We have historically made a class of men. No. Āryans civilization means who is progressive, advancing. They are intelligent. They are fair-complexioned. Therefore Āryans means progressive. So they know.\nVedic mantra says that tad viṣṇoḥ paramaṁ padam. Paramaṁ padam, the highest perfection of life, is to understand Viṣṇu, or God. Tad viṣṇuṁ paramaṁ padaṁ sadā paśyanti sūrayaḥ [Ṛg-veda 1.22.20]. In order to reach that goal, they are always looking after that. Just like in darkness you are walking on the road. The cynosure of the neighboring eyes. You see the stars. Just like in the ocean, the navigators, they look to the polestar, that which side they are going. Similarly, our aim should be always to Viṣṇu. Always to Viṣṇu. But unfortunately we are not educated in that way. We are educated in different way. Therefore there is disaster.\nThe same example we can give. If you do not know that the polestar, then you may be misdirected. Just like Columbus, he came to America, or many..., there are many navigators. If they miss that, misses that polestar, then they will be misdirected. Similarly, our human form of life, the aim should be to understand Kṛṣṇa or Viṣṇu. That should be the aim of life. Tad viṣṇoḥ paramaṁ padaṁ sadā paśyanti sūrayaḥ.\nSo here also, the same thing, viṣṇu pādopasarpaṇam yad eṣa sarva-bhūtānāṁ priya. Sarva-bhūtānām means all living entities. Priya, that is real dear object. Sarva-bhūtānāṁ priya ātmeśvaraḥ suhṛt [SB 7.6.2].\n[The human form of life affords one a chance to return home, back to Godhead. Therefore every living entity, especially in the human form of life, must engage in devotional service to the lotus feet of Lord Viṣṇu. This devotional service is natural because Lord Viṣṇu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the most beloved, the master of the soul, and the well-wisher of all other living beings.]\nHe is the proprietor of my self. He is Superself. Just like I love this body. Why? Because I am the spirit self, or soul is within this body. Therefore just like I love this apartment. Why? Because I live here. Similarly, I love this body because I am spirit soul, I am living within this body; therefore I try to protect it. Real love is to myself. So naturally, if you love yourself, then this self is the part and parcel of the Superself. Therefore you love indirectly the Superself.\nAnd suhṛt, and He is your actually intimate friend. Suhṛt. Suhṛt means who is always wishing your good. The Vedic information says that the Supreme Lord as Supersoul is sitting with you in the same tree. The individual soul and the Supersoul is sitting in the heart, and this body is considered as tree, and He is seeing your..., my activities. He is trying to get me back to Godhead. So in whichever form of life I am transmigrating He is also going with me. Just like two birds. So He is acting as my friend.\nThat is described in the Upaniṣad, that two birds are sitting in one tree in friendly terms. One bird is eating the fruit of the tree, and the other bird is simply witnessing. So the bird which is eating the fruit of the tree, that means we are enjoying happiness or distress out of my own activities or this bodily activities. But the other bird, or Supersoul, He is not affected with the activities of the body. He is simply looking when this bird will turn to Him. That is His friendship. So suhṛt, this very word is suhṛt.\nSo īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61].\n[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]\nThis is confirmed in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and all Vedic literature. So that suhṛt is simply looking to the opportunity when the other bird, instead of eating the fruit, looks to his friend. That's all. He's simply waiting for the opportunity. And He's sending His servant, He's coming Himself as incarnation, He is leaving books like Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Bible, just to attract me: \"My dear friend, come this side. Come this side.\"\nSuhṛt. And He is ātmeśvara. And He is the proprietor of myself, because I am part and parcel of God. So therefore He is the Supreme. So He is... Just like you are part and parcel of your father, similarly, every one of us, we are part and parcel of the Supreme Father. As you do not find any good friend than your father... [end]",
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"content": "\n Yes. [japa]\nBegin from here. Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Then take next. In this way you'll come this side. You don't cross this. Again from..., begin here, and come to this.\nSuch sixteen rounds must be done every day. Your spiritual name is Chandanācārya dāsa. Chandanācārya. C-h-a-n-d-a-n-c-h-a-r-y-a dāsa. Chandanācārya, a great preacher of this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. So you are servant of that. You have to preach very nicely. Bow down.\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nNow chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and be happy. Take this.",
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"content": "\n [japa] You could not secure like that? This is all right. [japa] Put in your bag and do... [japa]\nBegin from here, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Next. In this way come to this point, again like that.\nAnd where is that chart, the ten kinds of offenses and the regulative principles?",
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"content": "\n I have it in Montreal.\n They have.\nThey have that. They already have that, Prabhupāda. Yes.",
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"content": "\n You must give them copies. Is there any name Madana-mohana dāsa? Yes? There is? So his name should be Baradrāj. B-a-r-a-d, Baradrāj, r-a-j, Baradrāj. Baradrāj is another name of Lord Viṣṇu. Baradrāj dāsa Brahmacārī. All right. Just bow down. Bow down. Bow down.\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nAll right. Take your beads. Be happy. Baradrāj. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [japa] Chant. [japa] Keep it there. You can keep it. [japa]",
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"content": "\n [to devotees] You want to move a little closer?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Nama... You take little, little, everyone, and when I say svāhā, you put it.",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? Is Śāradīyā dāsī going to take Gāyatrī?",
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"content": "\n Gāyatrī... So where is that mantra sheet? Then I'll give you after. That's all.\nnama apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bahyābhyantara śuciḥ\n[Garuḍa Purāṇa]\nśrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the Six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]",
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"content": "\nNot at Prabhupāda!\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī Ṭhākura, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayitāya kṛpābdhaye\nkṛṣṇa-sambandha-vijñāna-dāyine prabhave namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrī Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.]\nmādhuryojjvala-premāḍhya-śrī-rūpānuga-bhaktida-\nśrī-gaura-karuṇā-śakti-vigrahāya namo 'stu te\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mercy, who delivers devotional service enriched with conjugal love of Śrī Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamas te gaura-vāṇī-śrī-mūrtaye dīna-tāriṇe\nrūpānuga-viruddhāpasiddhānta-dhvānta-hāriṇe\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Lord Caitanya. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement against the teachings of devotional service enunciated by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamo gaura-kiśorāya sākṣād-vairāgya-mūrtaye\nvipralambha-rasāmbhodhe pādāmbujāya te namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja [the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is renunciation personified. He is always merged in a feeling of separation and intense love of Kṛṣṇa.]\nnamo bhaktivinodāya sac-cid-ānanda-nāmine\ngaura-śakti-svarūpāya rūpānuga-varāya te\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Saccidānanda Bhaktivinoda, who is the transcendental energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is a strict follower of the Gosvāmīs, headed by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\ngaurāvirbhāva-bhūmes tvaṁ nirdeṣṭā saj-jana-priyaḥ\nvaiṣṇava-sārvabhaumaḥ śrī-jagannāthāya te namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīla Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who is respected by the entire Vaiṣṇava community and who confirmed the discovery of the place where Lord Caitanya appeared.]\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvenebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.]\nnamo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te\nkṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmātī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\npañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ bhakta-rūpa-svarūpakam\nbhaktāvatāraṁ bhaktākhyaṁ namāmi bhakta-śaktikam\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional manifestation, devotional incarnation, pure devotee and devotional energy.]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, O ocean of mercy, O friend of the distressed and the source of creation, O master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\njayatāṁ suratau paṅgor\nmama manda-mater gatī\nmat-sarvasva-padāmbhojau\nrādhā-madana-mohanau\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[Glory to the all-merciful Rādhā and Madana-mohana! I am lame and ill advised, yet They are my directors, and Their lotus feet are everything to me.]\ndīvyad-vṛndāraṇya-kalpa-drumādhaḥ-\nśrīmad-ratnāgāra-siṁhāsana-sthau\nśrī-śrī-rādhā-śrīla-govinda-devau\npreṣṭhālībhiḥ sevyamānau smarāmi\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[In a temple of jewels in Vṛndāvana, underneath a desire tree, Śrī Śrī Rādhā-Govinda, served by Their most confidential associates, sit upon an effulgent throne. I offer my humble obeisances unto Them.]\nśrīmān rāsa-rasārambhī\nvaṁśīvaṭa-taṭa-sthitaḥ\nkarṣan veṇu-svanair gopīr\ngopī-nāthaḥśriye ’stu naḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[Śrī Śrīla Gopīnātha, who originated the transcendental mellow of the rāsa dance, stands on the shore in Vaṁśīvaṭa and attracts the attention of the cowherd damsels with the sound of His celebrated flute. May they all confer upon us their benediction.]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi\nrādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devi\npraṇamāmi hari-priye\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\nNow each one, banana. Stand up. Namo brahmaṇya-devāya go-brāhmaṇa-hitāya ca...\nStand up.\nnamo brahmaṇya-devāya\ngo-brāhmaṇa-hitāya ca\njagad-dhitāya kṛṣṇāya\ngovindāya namo namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to the Supreme Absolute Truth, Krishna, who is the well-wisher of the cows and the brahmanas as well as the living entities in general. I offer my repeated obeisances to Govinda [Krishna], who is the pleasure reservoir for all the senses.]\nNow put silently. Namo brahmaṇya-devāya go-brāhmaṇa-hitāya ca.\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[O Śrīmāti Rādhārāṇī (the divine energy of the Lord Kṛṣṇa), O all-attractive reservoir of pleasure, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, please engage me in Your loving devotional service.]\nNow bow down, namo oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya.\n[devotees offer obeisances] [end]",
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"content": "\n The following lecture was recorded on the evening of February 19th, 1971, at Śrī Kṛṣṇa-niketana, Gorakhpur, Uttar Pradesh.",
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"content": "\n\n...tathā parā\navidyā-karma-saṁjñānyā\ntṛtīyā śaktir iṣyate\n[Cc. Madhya 6.154]\nSo there are three kinds of energies. The Supreme Personality of Godhead has got unlimited energies, just like in the sun there is unlimited energy. You can imagine if so much energy is possible in a material thing which is created by God, or Kṛṣṇa, how much energy Kṛṣṇa has got. That can be easily...\n[break] ...partial energy is there in the sun globe. For millions and trillions of years the waves of heat and light emanating from the sun, and still, it is as good as before. Similarly, we can understand from this example that the Supreme Personality has got unlimited energy.\nThe example is given also, just like fire. The same thing...\neka-sthāne sthitasyāgner\njyotsnā vistāriṇī yathā\nparasya brahmaṇaḥ śaktis\nsarvedam akhilaṁ jagat\n[Viṣṇu Purāṇa 1.22.52]\nJust like a fire situated in one place distributing unlimitedly, or limitedly, its heats and energies, heats and light, similarly, whatever we are experiencing within our views in this material world, they are simply manifestation of the energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nIt is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā. Kṛṣṇa says, mayā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ jagat avyakta-mūrtinā [Bg. 9.4]: \"I am all-pervading, spreading, in this material manifestation, jagat, in impersonal feature, avyakta-mūrtinā.\" Everything... Avyakta means Kṛṣṇa is not manifested there, but we can feel.\nJust like when you see some smoke from a distant place, you can immediately understand that there is fire. It is very easy. Similarly, if everything is going on nicely—the sun is rising exactly in the time; the moon is rising exactly in the time; they are illuminating; they are appearing, disappearing; everything is going on, seasonal changes—so if things are going on so nicely, how you can say, \"God is dead\"?\nIf the management is going on nicely, you cannot say that these things are automatically happening. No. There is no such thing within your experience which is automatically managed. We must appreciate there is some brain behind it. Professor Einstein, the greatest scientist, he admitted that \"As we are advancing in scientific research, we are coming to the conclusion that there is a very big brain behind all this.\" How you can deny that? And we are getting direct information from Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead,\nmayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ\nsūyate sa-carācaram\nhetunānena kaunteya\njagad viparivartate\n[Bg. 9.10]\nSo the progress of the material world... Progress, no. Progress means... In the material objects progress means... Just like a flower: it is in the bud, then it fructifies. That is progress. Again dwindles and vanishes. Ṣaḍ-vikāra. Just like your body, my body—progress means from babyhood, childhood, boyhood, youthhood. That is, up to that, youthhood, progress.\nThen as soon as youthhood passed, old age comes in, then dwindling, then finish. That means janma-sthiti-pralaya. It comes into existence, then it remains for some time, and again pralaya, vanishes, vanquish. This is the way of material existence. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate [Bg. 8.19]. It takes place...\nTherefore in the Vedānta-sūtra, Brahman means the original source of appearance, maintenance and disappearance. From Brahman, the Supreme Brahman, everything is emanating, janma. Janmādi. Janmādi means janma, sthiti and pralaya. So it is remaining in Brahman.\nMayā tatam idaṁ sarvam avyakta-mūrtinā, mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni [Bg. 9.4]. Everything is existing, maintained by Brahman. And when the whole manifestation annihilates, pralaya-prakṛtiṁ yānti māmikam—it enters into the energy, supreme energy of the Personality of Godhead. That is the way, sṛṣṭi-sthiti-pralaya. From the energy.\nIn the Vedas also it is said, sa aikṣata sa asṛjata: \"The Supreme Personality of Godhead glanced over.\" In the Bhagavad-gītā also, ahaṁ bijā-pradaḥ pitā [Bg. 14.4]. In the material energy, Kṛṣṇa gives the seed. Just like a father gives the seed, the semina, within the womb of the mother, and a living entity comes out, similarly, within this material world the Supreme Personality puts, impregnates, the material energy with the living entities, and they come out with different types of bodies, 8,400,000's. This is the creation.\nSo here Caitanya Mahāprabhu quotes one verse from Viṣṇu Purāṇa: viṣṇu-śaktiḥ parā proktā [Cc. Madhya 6.154]. You cannot say that the Absolute Person, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, has no energy. Niḥśakti. The Māyāvādī philosopher says that the energy generates when impersonal Brahman enters into this material energy, or māyā, He has got a body of māyā. No. That's not the fact. Kṛṣṇa hasn't got the body of..., created by this material world, as we have got.\nKṛṣṇa says, therefore, avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam [Bg. 9.11]: \"Those who are foolish person, poor fund of knowledge, such person thinks that I assume a body with the help of material energy.\" Kṛṣṇa says Himself that sambhavamy ātma-māyayā [Bg. 4.6]—His own energy. That own energy is this viṣṇu-śaktiḥ parā, spiritual energy. He does not accept a material energy, a body of material energy. Viṣṇu-śaktiḥ parā proktā kṣetrajñākhyā tathā parā [Cc. Madhya 6.154].\nSo kṣetrajña, these living entities, they are also parā-śakti, cit-śakti. As we can experience two kinds of śaktis... One is cit-śakti and one is jara-śakti. Just like so long the cit-śakti is there within this body, it is living, it is moving, and as soon as the cit-śakti, the soul, departs from this body, there is no more movement. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He is the chief śakti, or..., not śakti, śaktimān, from whom—janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]—from Him this material world is coming out. Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate [Bg. 10.8].\nSo we should try to appreciate the energy of God. When Kṛṣṇa says, mayā tatam idaṁ sarvam: \"I am all-pervading...\" Sarvam. Sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma, the same thing, as it is Vedic injunction, similarly Kṛṣṇa says, mayā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ jagat avyakta-mūrtinā: \"The all-pervading nature, the expansion of my energy, is the impersonal Brahman.\" That is impersonal. Mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni nāhaṁ teṣu avasthitaḥ [Bg. 9.4]. That is Kṛṣṇa's power. Everything is resting in Him. That means in His energy. Śakti-śakti mato abheda. His energy is not different from Him.\nSo therefore this quotation given from Viṣṇu Purāṇa by Caitanya Mahāprabhu is very appropriate. Viṣṇu-śaktiḥ parā proktā kṣetrajñākhyā tathā parā [Cc. Madhya 6.154]. Ksetrajña, these living entities... Those who have read Bhagavad-gītā, you know. Ksetrajña means the living entity. Kṣetra means this body, and jña means proprietor or the knower of this body. Just like when there is some pain and pleasure, you know.\nTherefore you are kṣetrajña; we are all kṣetrajña. And Kṛṣṇa says, kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata. And that is Paramātmā. When Kṛṣṇa says, \"I am also kṣetrajña...\" Not this kṣetrajña. Sometimes they misunderstand that the individual soul, living entity, and Paramātmā is the same. No. He says, kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi: \"I am also one of the birds sitting on this body.\"\nThat is confirmed in the Upaniṣad. Two birds are sitting in one tree. So one bird is witnessing. The witnessing bird is the Paramātmā, antaryāmī. He is looking after all your activities, witness. Anumantā upadraṣṭā. Bhagavad-gītā: upadraṣṭā. You don't think that whatever you are doing, nobody is witnessing. Sarvato pani-padas tat sarvato akṣi. Therefore, when it is said paśyaty acakṣuḥ... Paśyaty acakṣuḥ. Kṛṣṇa, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, has got such nice eyes that He can see your activities anywhere. He sees.\nBut His that seeing, that eye, or His eyes, are not exactly... Because we cannot see. As soon as I am closing my eyelids I cannot see you. So what is the power of this seeing? But He can see from within your heart what you are thinking, what you are feeling, what you are acting. And He is giving also sanction. You cannot act anything without His sanction because everything is property of Kṛṣṇa. Sarva-loka-maheśvaram [Bg. 5.29]. So if you want to enjoy something, you have to take sanction from the proprietor. Otherwise you cannot take, unless He sanctions.\nMattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca [Bg. 15.15]. This is the process. We have to understand. He is sitting within your heart.\nīśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ\nhṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati\nbhrāmāyān sarva-bhūtāni\nyantrārūḍhāni māyayā\n[Bg. 18.61]\nAnd as witness, as anumantā, as sanction-giver, I am thinking, \"Oh, I...\" Either you are playing or you are wanting some way. So Kṛṣṇa will give you all facility: \"All right, you want? You have it.\" Māyā is there; she supplies you ingredients, and you get your thing. This is going on. Anumantā upadraṣṭā. But the action which you are engaged, the result you have to enjoy.\nYou wanted some facility from Kṛṣṇa. You get it. You wanted to steal something from somewhere. Kṛṣṇa will give you intelligence: \"Yes, you steal. Come here. You steal. Here is the opportunity.\" But when you are arrested, you don't make responsible Kṛṣṇa. You wanted to steal. Here is the facility. That's all.\nSo it is kindness of Kṛṣṇa that He is giving you all facilities. If you want to be a thief, He'll give you all facilities to be a first-class thief. And if you want to be a devotee, He'll give you all facilities to be a first-class devotee. Now it is your choice. Therefore we are suffering in our own choice.\nIcchā-dveṣa-samutthena sarge yānti parantapa [Bg. 7.27]. We wish something, we desire something, to have, and we hate something, to leave. Kṛṣṇa is giving us all facility, but we are not happy. By acting in our own way we are misguided. Otherwise we are..., would have been happy.\nSuppose if somebody wanted that \"Let me have one crores of rupees.\" \"All right, you have it. Here is one crore of rupees.\" But after one crore of rupees you are not happy. These Americans, they wanted to be the richest nation in the world. They have become. But their children—not happy. They are becoming hippies. Their father is also not happy, because his boy has gone astray. The government is perturbed, bewildered, \"What to do with these boys?\"\nTherefore, so long we shall want something for our sense gratification, without serving Kṛṣṇa we shall suffer. That is the proposition. In different ways we shall suffer. Therefore Kṛṣṇa very kindly, most confidential... Sarva-guhyatamam. Kṛṣṇa says Arjuna that \"I am talking to you most confidential matter.\" What is that? Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇam [Bg. 18.66].\n\"This is the secret of life. Don't bother yourself in this way and that way. That is the secret. You simply become surrendered unto Me.\" Ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi: \"I am giving you guarantee. You have committed so many sinful activities life after life, and you'll suffer life after life. But if you surrender unto Me, I give you protection, guaranteed.\" Mā śucaḥ: \"Don't be worried.\"\nWhy don't you take this path? This is the way. Viṣṇu-śakti. We are visnu-śaktis, parā, parā-śakti, cit-śakti. But we are not śaktimān. Śaktimān is Kṛṣṇa, and we are śakti. And when we consider that \"I am śaktimān; I can do something,\" that is avidyā. That is avidyā.\nThere is another śakti—avidyā, avidyā-śakti. That avidyā-śakti is for these living entities, not for Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is never covered by avidyā. Just like I... [break] ...the cloud has covered your eyes. You say, \"The cloud has covered the sun.\" That is nonsense. Sun is very, very, very, very big. What is the cloud? Maybe hundred miles' spread.\nBut the sun globe is fourteen lakhs... [break] Is that correct? So how the cloud, hundred miles' spreading cloud, can cover the sun? It is foolishness that \"God is covered by māyā.\" No. God is never covered by māyā. But God's particles, they are covered by māyā. Jīva is covered by māyā, not God. Māyāṁ ca tad-apāśrayam [SB 1.7.4].\nJust like you face the sun, there is no darkness. If you keep the sun back side, there is a big dark—shadow. The shadow is māyā. It has no existence. It is simply impeding the sunshine; therefore it is shadow. Māyā means which has no existence of its own accord. It is also created by the sun, the darkness. Similarly, this avidyā, when you forget Kṛṣṇa, there is avidyā. That is also Kṛṣṇa's creation. Because you want to forget Him, therefore He covers you with avidyā. Avidyā-karma-saṁjñā anyā. Another..., another energy of Kṛṣṇa which is known as avidyā, or darkness, covers you.\nAnd what is the symptoms, that avidyā? Karma-saṁjñā. Karma-saṁjñā means you have to work hard. Those who are covered by the avidyā, they are working day and night. And actually those who are not covered by avidyā, they are depending on Kṛṣṇa. Actually everyone is depending on Kṛṣṇa. Eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān. Whatever you are getting for your sense gratification, that is supplied by Kṛṣṇa. You cannot create anything. But by avidyā, he thinks that \"I am creating.\"\nprakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni\nguṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ\nahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā\nkartāham iti manyate\n[Bg. 3.27]\nHe's thinking.\nTherefore, avidyā-karma-saṁjñā anyā tṛtīyā śaktir iṣyate. There is another śakti. One śakti... Every śakti... Kṛṣṇa śakti... Just like Kṛṣṇa... Just like the sun is light, effulgence, and the sunshine is the energy of sun; it is also light. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1]. His energy is also cit-ānanda, sat-cid-ānanda. Therefore says, viṣṇu-śaktir parā. Parā means superior or spiritual.\nKṛṣṇa is spiritual, and His śakti, His energy, is also spiritual. When it is covered by avidyā it is called material. Actually, in the higher sense, there is no material energy. It is covered only. Just like sunshine, when it is covered by the cloud, there is light, but the light is not so strong, so in the material world we cannot feel the energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. We are forgetful.\nTherefore so many people, those who are covered by this material energy, they say, \"There is no God\" or \"God is dead,\" \"You are God; I am God,\" \"God is loitering in the street,\" so many theories of God. That is due to our covering of the knowledge how to appreciate God. The difficulty is that we do not follow the direction of the śāstras; therefore we are misguided. As I was speaking the other day, because we have forgotten Kṛṣṇa for time immemorial, therefore these books are there.\nataeva kṛṣṇa veda purāṇa karilā\nanādi bahirmukha jīva kṛṣṇa bhuli gela\n[Cc. Madhya 20.117]\nBahirmukha. Bahirmukha means those who are trying to be happy by adjustment of this material energy. They are called bahirmukha. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ [SB 7.5.31]. This is their misconception, hope. They are hoping against hope. Don't you see?\nEveryone is trying to be very happy—individually, nationally—but it is not happening. Sukhera lagiya ei ghara bhandinu, agune puriya gelo [?]. The nature's law is that, that it will set fire. Tal labhyate duḥkhavad anyataḥ sukham [SB 1.5.18]. Bhāgavata says that \"Why you are hankering after happiness? If you are destined to get some happiness, you'll have it. There is no need of your further endeavoring.\" \"Why? Everyone is trying. I shall try.\" No. Tal labhyate duḥkhavad anyataḥ sukham. Just like you don't hanker after distress. Why distress comes? Why distress is forced upon you?\nSo many people come to us, \"Swāmījī, I am in distress in this way and that way.\" But he never wanted this distress. Why it has come? \"Similarly,\" Bhāgavata says, \"when distresses come without your invitation, similarly, your happiness also will come without your invitation, hankering. Rest assured.\" Because you are under the laws of nature—prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi [Bg. 3.27]—so the effect will come.\nSo don't try for moving your distress, or don't try..., don't be puffed up with so-called happiness. God is... [break] ...things will be managed. Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni. Don't think that you are managing. It is being managed by nature's law. Everything is there, destined. That is called adṛṣṭa. You cannot see, adṛṣṭa. Dṛṣṭa means seeing; a means not.\nTherefore everyone's business is to cultivate this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the only business of the human society. And there is ample opportunity. And the process is very simple. Why do you losing the opportunity? Don't do it. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇam [Cc. Antya 20.12].\nNow here again Caitanya Mahāprabhu says,\nyayā kṣetra-jña-śaktiḥ sā\nveṣṭitā nṛpa sarva-gā\nsaṁsāra-tāpān akhilān\navāpnoty atra santatān\n[Cc. Madhya 6.155]\nThat avidyā, avidyā, this material energy, is covering me exactly like the cloud covering. Now, this cloud covering also in different stages—one... Some of you must have traveled in the air. The cloud is covered... [break] ...little hazy, and when you go above the cloud, it is a sunshine. So different stage of covering.\nSimilarly, this avidyā, or māyā, is covering us in different stages, in different features. Māyā has got three qualities. Guṇamayī, māyā, Bhagavad-gītā says. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī [Bg. 7.14]. Guṇamayī means having three modes of material nature: sattva, tamaḥ, rajaḥ. So here also the same thing is. Yayā kṣetra-jña-śaktiḥ sā veṣṭitā nṛpa sarva-gā. That veṣṭitā... Either you are covered by the quality of goodness or you are covered by the quality of passion or you are covered by the quality of ignorance.\nSo the goodness, good man within this material..., he is also covered. He thinks himself that \"I am very learned. I have nothing to do,\" or \"I am now realized God. I have become God, Nārāyaṇa. I've become Nārāyaṇa.\" That is also covering, māyā's covering. He's speaking like that, that he has become God, but that is also another covering.\nOf course, he is performing very rigidly the Vedic principles. Āruhya kṛcchreṇa. Kṛcchreṇa means very severe austerity. Those sannyāsīs following the principles of Śaṅkarācārya, they strictly follow austerities, lie down on the ground, and taking three times bath even in very severe cold, and simply have a kamaṇḍalu, nothing more, and lying down on the earth without any bedding—so many austerities.\nThey are going, undergoing, severe austerities. Why? Now, to rise up to the Brahman realization—āruhya kṛcchreṇa paraṁ padam [SB 10.2.32]—paraṁ padam, that impersonal Brahman effulgence. But patanty adhaḥ, they fall down. Just see. After so much severe austerities, performing, they rise themselves to the brahma-pada, but they again fall down.\nFor example, you know, many learned Māyāvādī sannyāsīs, very learned scholar, they suppose..., they are supposed to have realized Brahman, but after few days they come to politics. You have... Perhaps you know. So many sannyāsīs, they go to jail for political affairs. Why? If you have realized Brahman, brahma satya jagan mithyā, why you are mingling matters here in the material world? That means he has not.\nĀruhya kṛcchreṇa. He has come to the position of Brahman realization, but because he has no information of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, nirākāra-vādī, he falls down. Āruhya kṛcchreṇa paraṁ padaṁ tataḥ patanty adho anādṛta-yuṣmad-aṅghrayaḥ [SB 10.2.32]. They don't care this worshiping, or bhakti-mārga. They say, \"Oh, these things are meant for the lower class of men or ignorant men, uneducated person. Bhakti-mārga is for the uneducated person.\" Their allegation is like that. But they are uneducated. They do not know what is education.\nTherefore Bhagavad-gītā says, \"After many, many births of such cultivation of knowledge, when actually becomes wise...\" Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān [Bg. 7.19]. What is the..., that function? Māṁ prapadyate: \"He,\" I mean to say, \"surrenders himself,\" Kṛṣṇa says, \"unto Me.\" How he surrenders? \"Because after many, many births' culture of knowledge he can understand vasudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19], 'Kṛṣṇa is everything,' that knowledge.\"\nmayā sarvam idaṁ tataṁ\n[jagad] avyakta-mūrtinā\nmat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni\njñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchati\n[Bg. 9.4]\nThese things are there in the Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is very much authorized, scientific, and accepted by the all people all over the world. So why not accept it, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, which was spread from this country? Why you are forgetting Kṛṣṇa consciousness? What is your reason? Kiṁ punar brāhmaṇāḥ puṇyā [Bg. 9.33]. Kṛṣṇa says, māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ. \"The pāpa-yoni,\" whom we consider as pāpa-yoni, mleccha, yavana, caṇḍālas, Kṛṣṇa says, \"if the mlecchas, yavanas and caṇḍālas accept,\" māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya, te 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim, \"they also become elevated to the highest perfectional stage of life.\" Kiṁ punar brāhmaṇāḥ puṇyā [Bg. 9.33].\nIf the mlecchas, yavanas and caṇḍālas are accepting, and they are making progress to the highest perfectional stage of life, why not the brāhmaṇas and the kṣatriyas of India? Why they should lag behind? So join this movement and be happy. That is our request.\nThank you very much.\n[break] Now why don't you join?\n[break] You are going to surrender to Kṛṣṇa or not? There is still hesitation?",
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"content": "\n It's the capital. [indistinct]\n Tallahassee.",
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"content": "\n Miami is the capital.",
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"content": "\n No. Miami is a big tourist city.",
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"content": "\n It's all tourist, the whole place.\n There's an Indian fellow in the San Francisco temple. He comes very often. He's a student, and his name is Vinode.",
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"content": "\n Vinode.",
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"content": "\n Yes. And he helps us cook prasādam. And he cooks in the kitchen, and oh, he says, \"Kṛṣṇa is my only life.\" He says he was so happy to find a temple here.",
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"content": "\n He mentioned to me that he's married and that he has a child in India. And he asked, \"Oh, were you married?\" And I said, \"No. My wife was taken away.\" And he came over and he hugged me. \"Oh,\" he said, \"you are so lucky.\" [laughter] He hugged me. He said, \"Oh, you are so lucky.\"",
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"content": "\n [chuckling] There is a Tulasī dāsa poetry, din ka ḍākinī, rāt ka bāghinī, palak palak rahe cuṣe duniyā sab bhora hoye, ghara ghara bāghinī pūse. Bhāginī. Tulasī dāsa had very good, beautiful wife, and he was very much attached to her. So the system is that after the girl is staying with her husband... Because young girls, very minor age they were married, say, ten years, nine years, twelve years. But they're allowed to live with husband, say, after thirteen years or fourteen years, when she has attained puberty.\nSo the system is six months father house and six months husband. In this way, going and coming. But when she is elderly, she can remain continually. But in the beginning... Because after all, she is girl, so she cannot tolerate the separation from father and mother. So six months here, six months... So Tulasī dāsa, as soon as the..., his father-in-law will come to take his daughter, he won't allow. He won't allow.",
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"content": "\n Oh, he's so attached.",
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"content": "\n Yes. \"She'll go later on. She'll go.\" So he went back. The father used to..., went back. In this way, several times. Then it was agreed that the girl would go there, father's house, and the father took the girl in the morning, and in the evening Tulasī dāsa went there. [laughs] His wife chastised, \"You are so rascal fool that I have come this morning, and you have..., evening you are here? You have so much attachment for the skin?\" Just like husband and wife talking.\nThat struck him very badly, and he immediately left that place and went to... Left home for good. Yes. And that was the initiation that he took up writing about Rāma. That is Tulasī dāsa's life. Just being, I mean to say, hurt by the words of wife, that \"I love her...\" Later on he understood, \"Yes, she is right. So why should I be so much attached?\" She uttered this words, \"If you have got so much attachment for this skin and bone, oh, if you had so much attachment for Rāma, then your life would have been different.\" So he took it seriously: \"Why not attachment for Rāma?\"\nSo he became a great devotee of Rāma, Tulasī dāsa. His book, Rāma-carita-mānasa—means \"Thinking always of Rāma\"—that is his book. It is very famous book, and that is the only important literature in the Hindi language, Rāma-carita-mānasa. It is very popular in India. Village to village, every... Practically Gītā Press has flourished simply by selling the Rāma-carita-mānasa and Gītā. Gītā and Rāma-carita-mānasa. Two books. Millions of books they print and sell, this Rāma-carita-mānasa and Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo he has written that din ka dakini: in the daytime she is just like, what is called, witches. Witch? Witch?",
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"content": "\n Witch, yes.",
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"content": "\n Ḍākinī. And rat ka bhāginī: at night she is tigress.",
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"content": "\n She's what?\n Tigress.",
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"content": "\n Tigress. At daytime she is witches. Witch or witches?",
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"content": "\n Witch. And at night she is tigress. So that is the nature of woman. But the world is so mad that everyone is keeping such tigress. [laughs heartily] Din ka ḍākinī rat ka bhāginī. [Hindi] Every moment she is sucking blood. She is such a dangerous tigress. Every moment sucking blood. But [Hindi] the people, the world, people of the world has gone so crazy that each one is keeping one tigress. [laughs]",
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"content": "\n Right in the home.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is Tulasī dāsa's remark. So in many passages of his poetry he has not done very justice to woman. And another poetry, he writes, dhol guṇār śūdra narī. Dhol guṇār śūdra narī ihe sab śaśan ke adhikārī. Dhol guṇār paśu śūdra narī, ihe sab śaśan ke adhikārī. Dhol, dhol means drum, mṛdaṅga. Guṇār, guṇār means... What is called English? A fool, fool. Illiterate fool, what is one word?",
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"content": "\n Buffoon?",
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"content": "\n Maybe buffoon. Buffoon is sometimes troublesome. But guṇār means he doesn't understand very nicely.",
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"content": "\n Dullard.",
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"content": "\n Dull, dull. Dhol guṇār, dhol means drum and guṇār means that dull. Dhol guṇār śūdra, and the laborer class, śūdra. Three. Dhol, guṇār, śūdra, and paśu, household animals, just like cows, dogs.",
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"content": "\n Pet.",
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"content": "\n Pet, like that. Dhol guṇār śūdra paśu and narī. Narī means woman. [laughs] Just see. He has classified the narī amongst these class, dhol, guṇār, śūdra, paśu, narī. Ihe sab śaśan ke adhikārī. Sasan ke adhikārī means all these are subjected for punishment.\n[aside:] And what about the guest?",
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"content": "\n Oh, the guest? It's coming.",
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"content": "\n So śaśan ke adhikārī means they should be punished. [laughs] Punished means, just like dhol, when the, I mean to say, sound is not very hard, dag-dag, if you beat it on the border, then it comes to be nice tune. Similarly, paśu, animals, if you request, \"My dear dog, please do not go there.\" Hut! [laughter] \"No, my dear dog.\" Hut! This is the way.[?]\nSimilarly, woman. If you become lenient, then she will be troublesome. So in India still, in villages, whenever there is some quarrel between husband-wife, the husband beats and she is tamed. [laughs] In civilized society, \"Oh, you have done this?\" Immediately some criminal case. But in uncivilized society they don't care for court or civilized way of...\nKicharī. [prasādam being served]",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, Janārdana told me that from Vedic sources, you drew some conclusion that there are different universes visible? The stars are different universes? What is that?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n So each star is a different universe.",
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"content": "\n Begin, begin. [eating prasādam] Yes. Gargamuni, you distribute this purī.",
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"content": "\n Everything hot.",
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"content": "\n Yes.\n[long pause]",
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"content": "\n Before Kṛṣṇa consciousness, was there any purī manufactured here? No. [laughs]",
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"content": "\n No. None of this.\n When I first came to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, I'd only been coming, I think, maybe two days to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and then Mukunda had his wedding. Oh, that hooked me. Nice wedding and nice feasting. I was hooked.\n That was the day after our initiations. They initiated the night before. We had two days feasting.\n I came into San Francisco looking for a spiritual teacher, and I came to prasādam and I never left.\n I think that's what hooked all of us. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Prasāde sarva-duhkhānāṁ hanir asyopajāyate.\n[long pause] Thank you. Govinda dāsī has become very good housewife. Yes.\n[long pause] Rāyarāma, come.\nKṛṣṇa baṛo doyāmoy koribāre jihvā jay sva-prasād-anna dilo bhāi.\n[ “O Lord, this material body is a lump of ignorance, and the senses are a network of paths leading to death. Somehow or other we have fallen into the ocean of material sense enjoyment, and of all the senses the tongue is the most voracious and uncontrollable. It is very difficult to conquer the tongue in this world. But You, dear Lord Kṛṣṇa, are very kind to us. You have given us this nice prasādam just to control the tongue. So now let us take this prasādam to our full satisfaction and glorify Their Lordships Śrī Śrī Radha and Kṛṣṇa, and in love call for the help of Lord Caitanya and Prabhu Nityānanda.” ]\nNo more. [end]",
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"content": "\n \"Gradually, step by step, with full conviction, one should become situated in trance by means of intelligence, and thus the mind should be fixed on the Self alone and should think of nothing else.\" [Bg. 6.25]",
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"content": "\n Yes. The self. The mind should be fixed in self. We are self, and Kṛṣṇa is also Self. So just like if you fix up your eyes on the sun, then you can see the sun and yourself also. Sometimes in dense darkness we cannot see ourself also. That you have experienced. So I cannot see my body in dense darkness. Although body is with me—I am the body or I am whatever I am—I cannot see myself. That you have got experience. So if you are in the sunshine, sunlight, then you see the sun as well as yourself. Is it not? Therefore to see the self means first of all see the Supreme Self.\nThe Supreme Self is Kṛṣṇa. In the Vedas it is said, Kaṭha Upaniṣad, nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]. \n[The Supreme Lord is eternal and the living beings are eternal. The Supreme Lord is cognizant and the living beings are cognizant. The difference is that the Supreme Lord is supplying all the necessities of life for the many other living entities.]\nThe Supreme Self is the chief eternal of all eternals. He is the chief living being of all living beings. So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means to fix up in self. To... The same example: if you fix up your mind in Kṛṣṇa, then you can fix up your mind in everything. The same example again: if you take care of your stomach, then you take care of all the bodily limbs. If your stomach is supplied nice, nutritious food, the stomach is cleared of all disturbances, then you keep good health. So if you pour water in the root of the tree, then you take care of all the branches, leaves, flowers, twigs, everything, automatically.\nSo if you take care of Kṛṣṇa, then you do the best service to all others. Automatically. These boys, they are going with kīrtana party. Because they are Kṛṣṇa conscious, it is not that they are sitting idly in this temple. They are going outside, preaching this philosophy so that others may take advantage of it.\nSo a Kṛṣṇa conscious person cannot sit idly. He thinks that \"Such a nice philosophy of life, why it should not be distributed?\" That is his mission. A yogī may be satisfied with his own elevation. He is sitting in a secluded place, practicing yoga, elevating himself to transcendental life. That is his personal concern. But a devotee is not satisfied simply elevating himself, his personal.\nWe offer our respect to the Vaiṣṇavas:\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca\nkṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvanebhyo\nvaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\n[Praṇāma Prayers 9]\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.]\nVaiṣṇava is he..., devotee is he who is very compassionate to these conditioned soul. Kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca. Kṛpā means mercy, and sindhu means ocean. A devotee is ocean of mercy. He wants to distribute the mercy.\nJust like Lord Jesus Christ: he was God conscious, Kṛṣṇa conscious, but he was not satisfied in himself. If he would have continued his God consciousness alone, he would not have met crucification. But no. He wanted to take care of others also, the others should be God conscious, others should be Kṛṣṇa conscious. He was forbidden by the king not to do that. So at the risk of his life he did it. That is the nature of devotee.\nTherefore the preacher devotee is the most dearest devotee of Lord. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. They are going outside, they are preaching, they are meeting opposing elements. Sometimes they are defeated, sometimes disappointed, sometimes able to convince; there are different kinds of people. So, not that every devotee is very well equipped. There are three classes of devotees also. But that endeavor, that \"I shall go and preach Kṛṣṇa consciousness,\" is the best service to the Lord, because they are trying in opposition to elevate people to the highest standard of self-realization.\nSo one who has seen, one who is in trance of self-realization, he cannot sit idly. He must come out. He... Just like Rāmānujācārya: he declared the mantra publicly. His spiritual master said that \"This mantra...\" Just like that Maharshi came in your country. He wanted to give some private mantra. If that mantra has any power, why it should be private? If at all the mantra has any..., why not it should be publicly declared, so that everyone can take advantage of that mantra? That is real. It is cheating, you see?\nSo here is no cheating process. We say that this mahā-mantra can save you; we are distributing publicly. No [indistinct]. Free, without any charge. But people are so fools, they are not prepared to take this. They'll hanker after that mantra, after Maharshi: pay thirty-five dollars and take some private mantra. You see? So people want to be cheated. And here, Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, these people are preaching without any charge, declaring in the street, park, everywhere, \"Come on, take it.\" \"Oh, this is not good.\" This is māyā. This is called illusion. This is spell of māyā. And if you charge something, if you bluff, if you cheat, oh, people will follow.\nSacha bole tomare lata juta jagat harai dhana kali-yuga dukha lalge haspai [?]. This is a Hindi verse by one devotee, that this Kali-yuga is so abominable that if you speak truth, then people will come with some rod to beat you. But if you cheat them, bluff them, they'll be bewildered; they'll like it. If I say, \"I'm God,\" people will say, \"Oh, here is Swāmījī, God.\" They won't inquire that \"How you have become God? What is the symptom of God? Have you got all the symptoms?\" Nobody inquires.\nSo these things happen, unless one is not fixed up in the self, unless one does not understand what is real self, unless one does not understand what is Superself. So yoga means to understand this self-realizing process. That is yoga.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Verse twenty-six: \"From whatever and wherever the mind wanders due to its flickering and unsteady nature, one must certainly withdraw it and bring it back under the control of the Self.\"",
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"content": "\n This is the process. This is yoga system. Suppose you are trying to concentrate your mind on Kṛṣṇa, and your mind is diverted, going somewhere, in some cinema house. So you should withdraw, \"Not there. Please, here.\" This is practice of yoga: not to allow the mind to go away from Kṛṣṇa. If you can practice this simply, don't allow your mind to go away from Kṛṣṇa... And because we cannot fix up our mind sitting in one place in Kṛṣṇa, that requires very high training. To sit down in a place and always fix up in Kṛṣṇa the mind, that is not very easy job. One who is not practiced to it, if he simply imitates, then he will be confused.\nWe have to engage ourself always in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Everything we do must be dovetailed in Kṛṣṇa. Our usual activities should be so molded that it has to do everything for Kṛṣṇa. Then your mind will be fixed up in Kṛṣṇa. Artificially, when you are not advanced, if you try to fix up our mind in Kṛṣṇa, that yoga practice as it is recommended here: that you have to sit down in this way, straight, you have to concentrate your eyesight on the tip of the nose in a secluded sacred place. But where are these chances? At the present moment, where is the chance of all these facilities?\nTherefore this is the only method, that you chant loudly and hear Hare Kṛṣṇa. If your mind is in other things, it will be forced to concentrate on the sound vibration \"Kṛṣṇa.\" You haven't got to withdraw your mind from other; automatically it will be withdrawn, because the sound is there.\n[sound of car going by]\nJust like the motorcar sound is going on, automatically your attention is diverted there. Similarly, if we chant \"Kṛṣṇa,\" so automatically my mind will be fixed up. Otherwise I'm accustomed to fix up my mind in so many things. So yoga practice means to withdraw the mind and again fix up in Kṛṣṇa. So this vibration of chanting automatically helps us in that yoga practice.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"The nature of the mind is flickering and unsteady. But a self-realized yogī has to control the mind. The mind should not control him.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is the yoga success. At the present moment the mind is controlling me, go-dāsa. Mind is dictating me that \"Please, why not see that beautiful nice girl?\" and I go and... \"Why not drink that nice liquor?\" \"Yes.\" \"Why not smoke this nice cigarette?\" \"Yes.\" \"Why not go to the restaurant, nice?\" \"Why not do this?\" So many things mind is dictating, and we are following.\nSo this present stage is I am controlled by the mind. The material life means one is controlled by the mind or by the senses. Mind is the center of all senses. So to become controlled by the mind means to be controlled by the senses. Senses are subordinate assistants to the master mind. Master mind dictates, \"Go and see that,\" my eyes sees.\nTherefore my eyes..., the sense eye is under the direction of the mind. My legs go. Therefore my sense organ the leg is under the direction of the mind. So to become under the direction of the mind means to become under the direction of the senses. So if you can control the mind, then you'll not be under the control of the senses.\nSo one who is under the control of the senses, he is go-dāsa. Go means senses, and dāsa means servant. And one who is master of the senses, he's gosvāmī. Svāmī means master, and go means senses. You have seen the gosvāmī title. The gosvāmī title means one who is the master of the sense. One who is not the servant of the sense. So long one is servant of the senses, he cannot be called a gosvāmī or svāmī. Svāmī or gosvāmī, the same thing, means one who is the master of the senses.\nSo unless one is not master of the senses, his accepting this title of svāmī and gosvāmī is cheating. One must be master of the senses. That is defined by Rūpa Gosvāmī, gosvāmī, Rūpa Gosvāmī. They were ministers. When they were ministers they were not gosvāmī. But when they become disciples of Lord Caitanya, Sanātana Gosvāmī and Rūpa Gosvāmī, and was trained by Him, they became gosvāmī.\nSo gosvāmī is not a hereditary title. It is a qualification, under the direction of spiritual master. One who attains perfection in controlling the senses, he is called svāmī or gosvāmī. So one has to become svāmī, gosvāmī; then he can become spiritual master. Without being svāmī or master of the senses, to become a spiritual master is bogus. That is also defined by Rūpa Gosvāmī. He says,\nvāco vegaṁ krodha-vegaṁ manasaḥ-vegam\njihvā-vegam udara-vegam upastha-vegam\netān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ\n...pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt\n[NoI 1]\n[A sober person who can tolerate the urge to speak, the mind's demands, the actions of anger and the urges of the tongue, belly and genitals is qualified to make disciples all over the world.]\nHe says there are six impetus, pushing, vegam. Pushing. Vegam, you can understand: just like you are called by nature, you have to go to the toilet room. You cannot check; you have to answer. That is called vegam, pushing. So there are six vegam, pushing. What is that? Vāco vegam: vegam, pushing of talking, unnecessarily talking. That is called pushing of the talks. Krodha-vegam: There is sometimes pushing of the anger. If I am very much angry, I cannot check myself; I do something which I ought not to do. Sometimes in anger he kills his own men. This is called vegam, pushing. So pushing of the talking, pushing of the anger.\nSimilarly, pushing of the mind. Mind dictates, \"You must go at once there.\" Immediately. Pushing of the talking, pushing of the mind, pushing of the anger. Then jihvā-vegam. Jihvā-vegam means tongue. I want to taste such nice thing, some sweetballs or something else which I like very much. So one has to control this. One has to control his talking unnecessarily. One has to control his mind, dictation of mind. The yoga practice only on the mind.\nBut our Kṛṣṇa conscious practice... Except mind, there are so many other things, just like anger, tongue, then jihvā-vegam, then udara-vegam. From tongue come little down. Udara means belly. The belly is already filled up; still I want to fill it more. That is called vegam, pushing of the belly. And when there are so much pushing of the tongue and pushing of the belly, the next underneath the genital, there is force of the genital. Then I require some sex. If I eat more, if I use my tongue unnecessarily, if I allow my mind to do anything and everything, then I cannot check my genital also. There will be sex urge which I cannot check. In this way there are so many pushings.\nRūpa Gosvāmī says one who has control over all this pushing machine, he can become spiritual master. Not that spiritual master is manufactured. One has to learn this, how to check the pushing of these things. Etān vegān yo viṣaheta dhīraḥ [NoI 1]. One who can control over these pushing and remains dhīraḥ, steady, pṛthivīṁ sa śiṣyāt: he can make disciples all over the world. Open. Yes.\nSo everything depends on training. That is yoga system. Yoga means... The whole yoga system means training—our senses, our mind, our this, that, so many things—then we are fixed up in the self. Do you think that simply by fifteen minutes' meditation we realize? And do all nonsense all the day? No. It requires training. You are going to solve the problems of life, and you want to do it very cheap? No. Then you'll be cheated. You have to pay for it. If you want the nicest thing, then you have to pay for it.\nBut by the grace of Lord Caitanya, the payment has been made very easy: chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Everything becomes very... All this controlling system, perfection of yoga system, becomes very easy. That is the mercy of Lord Caitanya. Ihā haite sarva-siddhi haibe tomāra [Caitanya-bhāgavata Madhya 23.78]. \n[“By doing so, everyone will attain all perfection. Always chant, there is no other prescription.]\nLord Caitanya has blessed that if you follow His principle, chanting, then you'll get all the perfection of self-realization. That is a fact.\nSo for this age, when people are so much fallen, no other process will be successful. This process is the only process. It is very easy and sublime and effective and practical, and one can realize oneself. Pratyakṣāvagamaṁ dharmyam [Bg. 9.2]. \n[This knowledge is the king of education, the most secret of all secrets. It is the purest knowledge, and because it gives direct perception of the self by realization, it is the perfection of religion. It is everlasting, and it is joyfully performed.]\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that you can practically experience. In other system, you do not practically experience how far you are making progress. But this system, if you follow for a few days, you realize, \"Yes, I am making progress.\" Just like if you eat, you understand that your hunger is satisfied. Similarly, actually if you follow this principle of Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, you'll see yourself that you are advancing in the matter of self-realization.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"One who controls the mind, therefore the senses as well, is called gosvāmī or svāmī. One who is controlled by the mind is called go-dāsa, or the servant of the senses. A gosvāmī knows the standard of sense happiness. In transcendental sense happiness, the senses are engaged in the service of Hṛṣīkeśa, the supreme owner of the senses, Kṛṣṇa. Serving Kṛṣṇa with purified senses is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the way of bringing the senses under full control. What is more, that is the highest perfection of yoga practice.\"",
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"content": "\n Verse twenty-seven: \"The yogī whose mind is fixed on Me verily attains the highest pleasure. By virtue of his identity with Brahman, he is liberated, his mind is peaceful, his passions are quieted and he is freed from sin.\"\nTwenty-eight: \"Steady in the self, being freed from all material contamination, the yogī achieves the highest perfectional stage of happiness in touch with the Supreme Consciousness.\"",
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"content": "\n So here is the perfection. \"The yogī whose mind is fixed on Me.\" \"Me\" means Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is speaking. If I am speaking, \"Give me a glass of water,\" it does not mean that the water should be supplied to somebody else. Similarly, Bhagavad-gītā is being spoken by Lord Kṛṣṇa, and He says \"Me.\" \"Me\" means Kṛṣṇa. This is clear understanding. But there are many commentators, they deviate from Kṛṣṇa. I do not know why. That is their nefarious motive. No. \"Me\" means Kṛṣṇa. So Kṛṣṇa conscious person is always in yoga trance.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Verse twenty-nine: \"A true yogī observes Me in all beings and also sees every being in Me. Indeed, the self-realized man sees Me everywhere.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Now, \"A true yogī observes Me in all beings.\" How he can see? They interpret that all beings are Kṛṣṇa, so therefore there is no use of worshiping Kṛṣṇa separately. They take therefore to the humanitarian activities. They say this is better. \"Why Kṛṣṇa shall be worshiped? Kṛṣṇa says that one should see in every being Kṛṣṇa. So let us serve.\" But they do not know the techniques. That requires training under bona fide spiritual master.\nThis, \"A true yogī observes Me in all beings...\" A true yogī, devotee. Just like these devotees are going to preach Kṛṣṇa consciousness outside. Why? They see Kṛṣṇa in all beings. How? Because they see that \"All beings are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. They are under forgetfulness of Kṛṣṇa. So let us awake them to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" A devotee sees others who's not in Kṛṣṇa consciousness... Just like sometimes some missionary activities are there to give education to the uneducated community. Why? Because they see they are human beings; they should be educated, they should know the value of life. That is their sympathy.\nHere also the same thing, that everyone should know that he's part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Forgetting this consciousness, he suffers. That is to see Kṛṣṇa in everything. Not that everything has become Kṛṣṇa. Don't see like that; then you'll be mistaken. Every being is... Just like if I see somebody, that \"This boy is the son of such-and-such gentleman.\" That means I see such-and-such gentleman in this boy. Is it clear? If I see every living being is son of God, or Kṛṣṇa, then that means I see God in every being. Is there any difficulty to understand?",
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"content": "\n No, this is a fact. [laughter] It is not an association or vision; this is a fact. When you see a cat, when you see a dog, you see Kṛṣṇa in him. Why? You know that \"Here is a cat, living being. He, by his deeds, past deed, he has got this body cat, forgetfulness. So let me help this cat, give it some kṛṣṇa-prasāda, so that in some day he will come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" This is to see in him Kṛṣṇa.\nNot that \"Oh, here is Kṛṣṇa; let me embrace this cat.\" This is nonsense. Here is a tiger, \"Oh, here is Kṛṣṇa; come on, please eat me.\" [laughter] This is rascaldom. You should take sympathy with every living being, that he is part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Vāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca [Praṇāma prayers]. \n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They can fulfill the desires of everyone, just like desire trees, and they are full of compassion for the fallen souls.]\nNot that we shall embrace him, \"Come on, Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSo, \"The true yogī observes Me in all beings.\" This is the seeing. Why we are welcoming these children? Because he is part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. We are giving them chance to, as much as possible, to take part in the kīrtana, to taste the prasāda. That child who comes, imitates like this, oh, don't think that it is going in vain. Something done in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, knowing or not knowing, it will have its effect.\nThese children who are bowing down or trying to vibrate \"Kṛṣṇa\" or clap, these things are being accumulated in bank account of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just like if the child touches this fire, it will act. It will not excuse the child, that \"Oh, he is child; he does not know.\" The fire will act. Similarly, if Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Spirit, a child who may take part in it, Kṛṣṇa will act. You may know it or do not know it, it doesn't matter—because Kṛṣṇa is there.\nSo it is so nice. Therefore every living being should be given chance. These boys are inviting outsider, \"Come on,\" this Love Feast. What is the idea? The idea, let them come, take little prasādam, and it will act someday in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It will act. So that is their propaganda. They are seeing everyone, Kṛṣṇa..., they are seeing Kṛṣṇa in everyone, in that way. Not that everyone is Kṛṣṇa. Don't make this mistake. Kṛṣṇa is all-pervading. Why [only] in this human being? He is there in the atom also.\nAṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham [Bs. 5.35], you'll find in the Brahma-saṁhitā.\n[He is an undifferentiated entity as there is no distinction between potency and the possessor thereof. In His work of creation of millions of worlds, His potency remains inseparable. All the universes exist in Him and He is present in His fullness in every one of the atoms that are scattered throughout the universe, at one and the same time. Such is the primeval Lord whom I adore.]\nParamāṇu means atom. So He's there within atom also. Why not every living being? You should have that knowledge.\nSo \"The true yogī observes Me in all beings and also sees every being in Me.\" How \"in Me\"? Because everything what you see, that is Kṛṣṇa. You are sitting on this floor, so you are sitting on Kṛṣṇa. You are sitting on this carpet, you are sitting on Kṛṣṇa. You should know it. How this carpet is Kṛṣṇa? Because carpet is made of Kṛṣṇa's energy.\nThere are different kinds of—parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8, Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport]. \n[“The Supreme Lord has multipotencies, which act so perfectly that all consciousness, strength and activity are being directed solely by His will.”]\nThe Supreme Lord has various energies. Out of those various energies, three divisions are primary: material energy, spiritual energy and marginal energy. We living entities, we are marginal energy. The whole material world is material energy. And there is spiritual energy, the spiritual world. And we are marginal. So we are sitting either in the material energy... Marginal means this way or that way. You can become spiritual or you become material. No third alternative. Either you become materialistic or become spiritualistic.\nSo, so long we are in the material world, we are sitting on the material energy; therefore we are sitting in Kṛṣṇa. Because energy is not separated from Kṛṣṇa. Just like this light, this flame, there is heat and there is illumination, the two energies. The heat is not separated from the fire, and the illumination is not separated from the fire. Therefore in one sense the heat is also fire, the illumination is also fire. Similarly, this material energy is also Kṛṣṇa. So we are thinking that we are sitting on this floor, but actually we are sitting in Kṛṣṇa. This is philosophy.\nSo, \"...and also sees everything..., every being in Me. Indeed, the self-realized man sees Me everywhere.\" That is seeing everywhere. To see every being, everything, in relationship with Kṛṣṇa, that means you see Kṛṣṇa everywhere. As it is taught in the Bhagavad-gītā, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya [Bg. 7.8]:\n[O son of Kuntī [Arjuna], I am the taste of water, the light of the sun and the moon, the syllable om in the Vedic mantras; I am the sound in ether and ability in man.]\n\"I am the taste of water.\" Why water is drunk by all living entities? The animals, the birds, the beasts, the man, human being, everyone drinks water. Therefore water is needed so much. And Kṛṣṇa has stocked water so much. You see? Water is needed so much—for agriculture, for washing, for drinking. So if one does not get a glass of water in due time, he dies.\nThat experience one has got in the war field. How much valuable is water they can understand. In fighting, when they become thirsty and there is no water, they die. So why water is so valuable? Because there is nice taste. You are so much thirsty, you drink one sip of water, \"Oh, thank God.\" You see? So Kṛṣṇa says, \"That taste I am. That life-giving taste of water I am,\" Kṛṣṇa says.\nSo if you have learned this philosophy, whenever you drink water you see Kṛṣṇa. And when do you not drink water? This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Raso 'ham apsu kaunteya prabhāsmi śaśi-sūryayoḥ [Bg. 7.8]. \"I am the light of the sun and the moon.\"\n[O son of Kuntī [Arjuna], I am the taste of water, the light of the sun and the moon, the syllable om in the Vedic mantras; I am the sound in ether and ability in man.]\nSo either in the night or in daytime, you have to see either sunlight or moonlight. So how can you forget Kṛṣṇa?\nEither you drink water or see the sunlight or see the moonlight, or you hear some sound, śabdaḥ khe... There are so many things, you have read it in the Fourth Chapter, how Kṛṣṇa is all-pervading. So one has to see Kṛṣṇa in that way. Then you'll get perfection of yoga. Here it is stated: \"A true yogī observes Me in all beings and also sees every being in Me. Indeed, the self-realized man sees Me everywhere.\" Hmm. [end]",
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"content": "\nSo where is that town, eh?",
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"content": "\nNear the island of Zetland.\n In the Orkneys.",
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"content": "\nZetland.",
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"content": "\n In the Orkneys.",
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"content": "\nBut, he was, he was known as Lord Ronaldsay when he was Governor, in Bengal. And later on, when he was seen one of, by one of my Godbrother, he came about thirty years ago, 1935, at that time he was known as Marquis of Zetland. So, the same person, perhaps he was known in India as Lord Zetland, because India, the governors and the viceroys, they’re mostly Lords. They are not accustomed to know marquis or this.",
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"content": "\nMarquis is a, is a higher title.",
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"content": "\n[aside: Keep it there, I shall… Keep it.] So this Lord Ronaldsay, he was invited by our principal, because he also happened to be Scotsman. So I was at that time a boy. So he’s elderly. At least at that time he was our father’s age. He’s still alive? No.",
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"content": "\nThe older Lord Zetland, m’lord?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nNo, I don’t think so. No. I think he died, and consequently Lord Ronaldsay, and his son, take on the title of Marquis of Zetland.",
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"content": "\nHe immediately inquired, “How many you have philosophical students?” So our principal replied that this is I.A., I.A. class. So I.A. means Intermediate Art.",
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"content": "\n There’s a phone call for Śyāmasundara.\n Oh, it’s Mr. Ambuja.",
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"content": "\nSo you can call him to come here. We can talk. So our principal said that this is I.A. class; they haven’t got philosophy, but most of them have got logic, preliminary philosophy. So he was interested also. “All right, how many you have taken, logic?’’ So I was also student [laughing] of logic. In this way we were introduced. But I know, he was very nice gentleman, and fond of Indian philosophy and culture. He studied them. And the Gandhi, during Gandhi’s movement, there was a great leader in Calcutta, Shealdah, he was a big lawyer.\nSo government ordered that he should be arrested. So before arresting, Lord Ronaldsay called him at his house, that “It will be very much painful for me to arrest you. If you kindly give up this movement.” So he said, “No, you can arrest me. I cannot give up.” So later on he was arrested. But before arresting, he called him at his [laughs]…\nA very nice gentleman, but government ordered, what can he do? Another governor, he was Indian. He was the first Indian governor, Lord Sinha. So when he was requested to arrest Gandhi, he immediately resigned: “So you are asking me to arrest? Why not ask some English governor to arrest him?” So he resigned.",
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"content": "\nI think there’s still two Indians…",
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"content": "\n…who sit in the House of Lords.",
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"content": "\nHm? Indians?",
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"content": "\nTwo Indians, MPs.\nNo, they’re titled Lords; they’re peers. They sit in the House of Lords.",
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"content": "\nMaybe son of Lord Sinha.",
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"content": "\nMaybe. I wouldn’t know.",
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"content": "\nBecause this is hereditary title.",
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"content": "\nYes, m’lord.",
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"content": "\nThey deposit some money to the government.",
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"content": "\nSomeone was saying that the head of the Liberal…",
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"content": "\nHm?",
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"content": "\nThe head of the Liberal department was an Indian.",
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"content": "\nHe may be domiciled here. There are many Indians domiciled.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nBecause, I don’t think anyone with the title “Lord” in India, they can become member of the Parliament. Because…, because India is not now… But he may be Commonwealth. But is it, is there any rule that Commonwealth member can become Parliament member?",
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"content": "\nOh, yes, there’s various people sit in the House of Lords, m’lord, who are not British at all. We’ve got Australians, New Zealanders.",
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"content": "\nBut Australia is in, now in, still in touch with England. The Australians, in the stand, the Queen’s picture is there.",
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"content": "\nYes, oh, yes, but even so, the, their…",
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"content": "\nCanadian, they’re in touch.",
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"content": "\nYeah.",
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"content": "\nBut India, now, at the present moment, it is simply in name Commonwealth member. Actually, in the matters of governing, there is no…",
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"content": "\nNo, but these people have received their titles for service to the British Empire in the past.",
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"content": "\nAnd of course it’s a hereditary title.",
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"content": "\nOh, yes.",
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"content": "\nSo naturally it hands down from father to son.",
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"content": "\nThen how you can be elected?",
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"content": "\nYou can’t be elected to this house. It’s quite impossible.\n That was Mrs. Ambuja, and she said he’ll be back about eight o’clock, and either they’ll come directly over here, or they’ll call first.",
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"content": "\n 6:30 now.",
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"content": "\nSo we can talk at that time.",
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"content": "\n…Saha. You know him?",
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"content": "\nI prefer not to speak, m’lord.",
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"content": "\nHeh?",
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"content": "\nI prefer not to speak, m’lord.\n I don’t think he trusts him.",
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"content": "\nOh, it’s not…?",
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"content": "\n That was pure gold, practically. His, that jewelry is practically pure gold.",
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"content": "\nHe tested it?",
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"content": "\n They had it tested, yeah.\nHe’s off.\n I don’t think he trusts him.\nHe says one thing, and then a few days after he says something else which completely refutes what he said in the first place.\n That’s the problem. We have to really work with trustworthy people.",
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"content": "\nNo, that kind of man cannot help us.",
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"content": "\n No, we have to work with very trustworthy men, because it’s too big, it’s too important.\nI think he’s out for prestige.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nHe’s out for prestige.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nKnown in this country, m’lord, as a social climber.\n Social climber.",
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"content": "\nOh. Hm. So decide like that, then when he comes, I shall talk with him.",
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"content": "\n Ok. I think that…",
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"content": "\nWe try for that.",
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"content": "\n Meanwhile, I could find out where George is. I have a few numbers I want to call to try and find him.",
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"content": "\nGeorge, being out of [indistinct], don’t count upon him.",
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"content": "\n No, but he’ll be back soon.",
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"content": "\nSo, when he comes then we’ll… That is different.",
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"content": "\n Yeah, and if I know when he’s coming, I’ll be prepared to see him.\nWe’re going on this Bhāgavata-saptāha. Should we still…, should we still?",
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"content": "\nWhat? That Bhāgavata-saptāha, that is attractive to the Indians, but the Indians have no cooperative feeling. Then what is the use?",
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"content": "\n Let us this week find out from different Indian men if they’re going to be willing, and next Saturday I’ll know for sure.\nYes, that’s…",
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"content": "\nAnd another thing is that the Indians, they’re inclined to keep their Hindu element, hodgepodge—demigods, this, that…",
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"content": "\n After they’ve seen our Deities they’ll want to install Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa only; that’s right.\nWell. [laughs]\n After they’ve seen our temple, now they all want to install Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nThat is out of sentiment.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nThey thought that “If Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa is there, people will come.”",
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"content": "\nYes. I went, I went to visit them…",
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"content": "\nHere is a different atmosphere. That they cannot create.",
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"content": "\n Yeah.",
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"content": "\nThat is not possible.",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\nThat requires sincere devotion.",
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"content": "\nYeah. I went to an installation ceremony.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nI went to an…, I was invited with some other devotees to go to an installation ceremony in a temple in the East End of London, and they were installing Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Deities there, and at the same time they were having a marriage ceremony was going on.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nA marriage ceremony was going on, along with the installation ceremony.",
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"content": "\nWhat is that ceremony? Merge?",
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"content": "\n Marriage.",
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"content": "\nRight.",
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"content": "\nThis hodgepodge, they…",
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"content": "\nYes, and there was this, this one, they had this one, like a professional priest was there.",
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"content": "\nOh.",
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"content": "\nAnd he was saying over again, oṁ bhūr bhuvaḥ svaḥ tat savitur vareṇyaṁ bhargo devasya dhīmahi, and again and again he’d be saying the first line of Gāyatrī mantra, like he was chanting japa. And he would start to sing it, and he’d sing louder, and he was cavorting with this microphone, and it was all so…",
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"content": "\nOh. [chuckles] So, how it is going on so that…",
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"content": "\nThe same one that…, who gave us these Deities.\n Gave us these Deities.",
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"content": "\nSo when Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa came here, they ordered more Deities from India, you see, and this was the installation ceremony for these…",
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"content": "\nWhen it was held?",
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"content": "\nThis was about two years ago.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nTwo years ago.\n It was right after we left, I think.\nAbout two years ago.",
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"content": "\nHow it is going on now?",
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"content": "\nOh, I don’t know. I’ve never been back.\n They don’t have much.\nIt is simply sentimentality.",
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"content": "\nSentimental.",
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"content": "\nThat’s all. Who will go there?",
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"content": "\n We went there for a durgā-pūjāone night, too. I remember. They dance around the room.",
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"content": "\nThey take it as recreation.",
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"content": "\n Yeah.",
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"content": "\nThere is no philosophy.",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\nThere is no seriousness. Then our is different. We are training people how to become real devotee.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\nThat is different.",
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"content": "\nYes. They’re also, they were garlanding the Deities with beads. They were giving Kṛṣṇa japa beads, [laughs] putting on.",
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"content": "\nThey’re not guided.",
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"content": "\n Yeah.",
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"content": "\nJust like they are chanting Gāyatrī mantra loudly. That is another rascaldom.",
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"content": "\n Yeah. Mr. Goyal is a self-appointed guru.",
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"content": "\nOh! He, he wants to become a guru?",
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"content": "\n Yeah.",
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"content": "\nOh, then it is.",
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"content": "\n They have ambitions, to be guru.\nAnd all these meetings, all these meetings I’ve been to, they’re all saying, “We must remain Hindu. We must not forget our culture. We may be in England, but we are Hindus.’’ Like this. “India, she is our real mother, not this England. India, she is our real mother. We must be thinking of India, and to become always thinking of Hindus.”\n How to, how to get rupees out of India.",
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"content": "\nSo therefore it is very difficult to get their cooperation. They’re mentality is, they don’t want to understand this Kṛṣṇa philosophy. They want to remain Hindu. Hindu means hodgepodge, that’s all. Hindu means hodgepodge.",
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"content": "\nAnd at the same time…",
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"content": "\nHindu means Śaṅkara philosophy.",
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"content": "\n Śaṅkara.",
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"content": "\nYes, that God has no form, and you can imagine any form and worship for your material benefit. This is at the present moment. And we said that we are not Hindus. Hindu is a Muhammadan title, given.",
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"content": "\nMuhammadan? [laughing]\n That startles you. You didn’t know that?\nNo! [laughing]",
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"content": "\nHindu, there is no such word in the Vedic literature. You won’t find this word in Bhāgavata, or Bhagavad-gītā. The Muhammadans outside India, they used to call the sindhus, sindhu. There is a river, Sindhu river. From Sindhu to Hindu. They cannot speak “s,” they call “ha.” In this way it is a hodgepodge word, but it has come that Vedic followers as “hindus,” but this word is not found in any authorized scripture, no.\nOur, our system, culture is varṇāśrama-dharma. That is mentioned in the Bhagavad-gītā, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ, varṇa [Bg. 4.13]. Varṇa means four sections: brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra. That is real Vedic culture. That Vedic culture can be all over the world. Why in India? We are trying for that, to get the Vedic culture, which is acceptable by everyone. It is meant for everyone.",
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"content": "\n So actually Śaṅkara introduced this five gods…",
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"content": "\nŚaṅkara had no universal idea, but still the Śaṅkarites, they won’t accept outside brāhmaṇa caste. They won’t allow sannyāsa unless he’s a caste brāhmaṇa. It is still going on. That is their strict principle. Now it is dwindling—that is a different thing. But we Vaiṣṇavas, we, according to Bhagavad-gītā, whatever one may be, if he takes shelter of Kṛṣṇa consciousness he’s eligible to go back to home, back to Kṛṣṇa.\nmāṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya\nye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ\nstriyo vaiśyās tathāśūdrās\nte 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim\n[Bg. 9.32]",
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"content": "\n At the Hindu Centre they, the only symbol they have is an oṁ, a big oṁsign, and at the beginning they have a prayer to the oṁsign.",
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"content": "\nImpersonalist.",
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"content": "\nYes. And their ārati ceremonies are terrible.\n Their what?\nĀratis are terrible.",
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"content": "\nTerrible?",
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"content": "\nOh, yes.",
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"content": "\nWhy is that?",
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"content": "\n“Jaya, oṁ jaya jagadīśa hare.”",
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"content": "\nOh, that, cry like anything.",
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"content": "\nYes, and at the end they sing oṁśānti oṁśānti śānti śānti oṁ.",
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"content": "\nSo, that determination, “We want to remain Hindu,” that is the basic principle of their defect. We cannot get any cooperation from them.",
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"content": "\n They’re…, those are mostly women. There’s not many men at these ceremonies.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n Mostly those are women also.",
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"content": "\nMust be women, because these men, if they could not understand the philosophy, they are rascals. So now religious sentiment expressed by these women, that’s all. That is, that is not our purpose. We want to spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness throughout the whole world. If we say that “We are Hindus,” we may be Hindus, but it is for everyone.",
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"content": "\n There’s one or two Hindu leaders that are with us.",
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"content": "\nTherefore, in India, there are many enemies for me, because I am making brāhmaṇas. They do not like that.",
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"content": "\n Oh, then it won’t be their property anymore…",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n …if it goes out of India.",
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"content": "\nYes. Therefore, this, I think this Devānanda was bright. There are so many things, you see, I don’t want to discuss publicly. So I am becoming popular on my own strength. Nobody is helping me.",
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"content": "\n That’s a fact.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n That’s a fact.",
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"content": "\nRather you are helping me; from India I am not getting any help.",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\nNeither by the government nor by the people.",
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"content": "\n So many big men we went to see. Even, even our own American government is helping us more than…",
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"content": "\nYes.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n …the Indian government.\nAlso the BBC. I think BBC is like a father. British Broadcasting Corporation.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nIt’s very, very helpful. Very much in favor of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\n BBC.\nYes.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nThat’s an important organization?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nOh, yes.\n Either that or they were…, they’re spying on us.",
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"content": "\nNo, any sane man, he will appreciate.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nYes, it’s a very intelligent organization.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHuh?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nBBC, very intelligent.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes, it is government is coming here.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n They acknowledged that they came to Nairobi to take films of you.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Yeah, they did.\nAnd these two radio programs yesterday. They’re very important also.",
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"content": "\nSo, actually we’re very important. What is your impression?",
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"content": "\nOf the, of the programs, my lord? Or…",
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"content": "\nNo, our, this mission, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\nI think it’s, it’s just the thing that is needed at the moment.",
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"content": "\nYes,\n a\nctually it is so. The, what United Nations could not do, we can do that—provided people agree to our terms. These four terms: no illicit sex, no intoxication, no meat-eating, no gambling. But that is very difficult.",
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"content": "\nVery difficult. [laughter]",
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"content": "\nWe put these terms, that is thunderbolt. That is thunderbolt.",
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"content": "\nYes.\n Most young people think, “Well I’ve tried it…”",
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"content": "\nThe whole Western civilization is based on these principles, and we say break these four pillars [laughing], then come to me. That we don’t get many followers. There is this condition. If that, like Maharishi, if I would have said, “Oh, no, you can do whatever you like.”",
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"content": "\n Oh, you would have millions.\nPrabhupāda: “\nSimply pay me 35 dollars, and I give you special mantra.” This bluff…\nLike the Roman Catholic Church will sell...",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHuh?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nLike the Roman Catholic Church will sell…, sell you a free pass into heaven.\n Indulgences.\nIn the old, in the old days—indulgences.",
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"content": "\nHm?",
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"content": "\n Indulgences. The Catholic Church, they, they used to sell passes into heaven, for you or your family; you pay so much, you get to go to heaven.",
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"content": "\nJust see. The Muhammadans also they do. [laughter]. The Aga Khan. He was doing that. If the man dies, so Aga Khan will give a draft. You know draft?",
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"content": "\nYes, we know draft.",
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"content": "\nSo draft will be also within the coffin. So when he goes to hell or heaven…",
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"content": "\n He’ll have some money.",
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"content": "\nHe’ll get money. Draft. [laughter] And people are paying. You know this Aga Khan’s business?",
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"content": "\nAga Khan? Yes.",
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"content": "\nAga Khan. He was doing this. He was a guru of a section of Muhammadans, very rich section.",
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"content": "\n Nairobi they…",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n In Nairobi they were…",
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"content": "\nAh, yes. So… And all the money he was spending in racehorse. Aga Khan had special horse.",
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"content": "\nHe has become one of the richest men in the world.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nI used to ski with him in Switzerland.",
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"content": "\nAnd all his officers are Hindus, in Bombay. He never trusted Muhammadans [laughter]. Not only that, Aga Khan, even Muhammadan emperors that…, their all important men were Hindus. Just like Rūpa-Sanātana.",
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"content": "\n Ah.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n They were Hindus.",
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"content": "\nRūpa-Sanātana. Huh?",
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"content": "\nThey were Muhammadans.\n They were Hindus.\nMuhammadan government.\n They were brāhmaṇas.\nNo. They were brāhmaṇas, but because they accepted ministership from Nawab Hussein Shah, they were rejected from the strict brāhmaṇa community: “So you are now servant of a Muhammadan, your, you cannot call yourself a brāhmaṇa.” That’s a fact. So they were rejected. Their names were also changed: Dhabir Khan or Dhabir Khās, and Sākara Mallik.\nAnd they were mixing with big, big Muhammadan chiefs and landlords and, therefore about them Śrīnīvās Ācārya has written, tyaktvā tūrṇam aśeṣa-maṇḍala-pati-śreṇīṁ sadā tucchavat [Śrī Śrī Ṣaḍ-gosvāmy-aṣṭaka 4]: “He gave up the aristocratic society as very insignificant and preferred to become a mendicant.” This is the picture. So. [aside: You can sit down.] They were very big ministers, Caitanya Mahāprabhu made them Gosvāmī.\nThey were thrown by the Hindu society, or brāhmaṇa society, rejected them, that, “They have become Muhammadan.” And actually, just like in our younger days, in our father’s time, if one should come to England for education, he has to pass through some prāyaścitta: shaving the head, and have some big ceremony, and feed the brāhmaṇas and spend so much money—then you will be accepted in the society. Otherwise you cannot enter the society. He went to mleccha-deśa, mleccha-deśa, and he has eaten meat and he has mixed with so many, so he will not be accepted.\n He had to be repurified.",
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"content": "\nYes. So one of our community men, so he became barrister, and when he went back, so he was asked by the brāhmaṇas, that “You must undergo this prāyaścitta ceremony.”",
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"content": "\nBecause he had associated with…",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n…Muhammadans.\n Englishmen, Englishmen.\nEnglishmen?\n Englishmen.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n He’s using an example from his early boyhood.",
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"content": "\nSo he became so sorry that he went to take bath in the Ganges and drowned himself, committed suicide. Another, he was also college man, he later on became a very big doctor, Dr. R. L. Dutta, M.D. He also came for education, medical education, here. When he went back, all his father—not father—mother requested, “My dear boy, you have to do this otherwise you will be extricated from the society.”\nSo he decided that “I shall leave this society.” So, to… Mother unwillingly granted him permission: “Then you go out. Otherwise our whole family will be extricated.” So he simply asked his wife, “Whether you want to go with me or remain here?” She said, “I am your wife. I must go where you go.”\nSo the husband and wife went away, and later on they accepted…, they rejected Hindu religion, they became Brahmo. At that time Brahmo religion was going on. Brahmo religion means… Rāmānanda, he was also Rāmānanda Rāya, so he introduced a system of Brahmo religion on the basis of impersonal worship of Upaniṣad. Same church, Rabindranath Tagore’s. You know Rabindranatha Tagore’s name?",
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"content": "\nTagore?",
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"content": "\nTagore, the big poet.",
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"content": "\nOh, yes.",
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"content": "\nHis father, his father introduced. So he became a Brahmo. They don’t worship deities. Impersonal. And they can eat anything, whatever they like. The real facility was that they want to eat meat, pigs, or wine. That would not be allowed. You see? Indians, they did not know how to drink. It was either Hindus or Muhammadans. Amongst the Muhammadans, drinking is a great sin, is it not?",
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"content": "\nStill.",
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"content": "\nYes. Still. They don’t drink. That’s a great sin. Similarly Hindu.",
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"content": "\nI believe this is introduced by the English.",
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"content": "\nHuh? Yes.",
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"content": "\nThis drinking is introduced by the English.",
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"content": "\nYes. They did not know how to drink tea even. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Gosh.",
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"content": "\nSociety girls or meat-eating or drinking tea—these things were introduced by the Englishmen. They did not know.",
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"content": "\nThis is Clive?",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nThis is Lord Clive?",
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"content": "\nNo, after Lord Clive. Lord Clive was in the beginning. He established the British rule there, by cheating Nawab Siraj Daula. So after Lord Clive, then Lord Hastings.",
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"content": "\nHastings.\n Hastings Street in Calcutta.",
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"content": "\nYes. He was, what is called, Hastings, that big speaker, Burke? When a man is chastised in Parliament, what is called?",
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"content": "\nChief Whip.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n When a man is chastised.\nNo, no, not whip, not whip. A man’s…, Mr. Speaker, you mean?",
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"content": "\nNot Speaker.",
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"content": "\n If a man is chastised in Parliament, what is the name?\nWhat is the term they use?\nThey withdraw the whip. If he’s chastised.",
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"content": "\nThere is a technical.",
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"content": "\nWell, they call it…, it’s chastised, which means to say that when they withdraw the whip, he then has to leave the house for so long until the whip is restored. They’re not allowed to sit without the whip.",
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"content": "\nImpeachment, yes.",
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"content": "\n Impeachment.",
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"content": "\nImpeachment of Warren Hasting. That’s a big book.",
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"content": "\n Oh. The American president.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n There was an American president named Warren Hastings.\nNo, there was this Lord Hastings in India.\n Oh, Lord Hastings.",
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"content": "\nImpeachment of… He was Warren Hastings, Lord Hastings. He was impeached by one Mr. Burke. So his writings we read, we had prescribed.",
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"content": "\n Oh, I see.",
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"content": "\nBurke’s speeches, some Englishman’s speeches, out of them.",
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"content": "\n Edmund Burke.",
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"content": "\nEdmund Burke, yes. So he impeached this Warren Hastings for his misbehavior in India.",
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"content": "\nSo he was so notorious.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nHe was so notorious.",
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"content": "\nEveryone was… I think it was so in the Parliament.",
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"content": "\n But Hastings, my lord, surely was trying to be a decent fellow, wasn’t he, and uh… [someone laughs] No, he really was, and I am, how I understand it, first of all the whole Indian subcontinent was being sort of taken for a ride by English people out there, you know. They were really trying to make themselves very rich, very quick, and the, and the Parliament in London, they got so scared that they, they first of all removed many of these people, and replaced them by…",
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"content": "\nThat is natural, if you are in important post, then you take bribe.",
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"content": "\nYeah, this is why they put Hastings there. But Hastings…",
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"content": "\nWell Hastings, all the governors used to do it.",
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"content": "\nYeah.",
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"content": "\nThe system was, if some presentation was given to the governor or viceroy, it was to be not his personal property. It was kept as government property. So, these governors made a trick that the presentation may be given to his wife. So it was not government’s property; it was the governor’s wife property. [laughter] These things are going on.",
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"content": "\n I remember the story you told us once about an Englishman, and that man wouldn’t let him sit on his bench.",
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"content": "\nYes, in our childhood we have seen it. Even Lord Clive. Lord Clive, at that time there was, when he cheated Siraj Daula. Now he wanted to establish, he wanted to construct Calcutta city. So he wanted some money. So he approached one Indian banker, Sukhamaya Raya. Sukhamaya Raya, at that time Clive was giving facilities, who were helping them. The modern aristocracy in Calcutta was practically made by the Britishers.\nThey used to give titles, that’s all. And give land, and that land is Indian land. So if I, if I say, “You can go and take as much land as you like,” well what is the loss of the Britishers? But that man became very obliged: “Oh, the Britisher has given me so much land.’’ [laughter] This was false. I take from Mr. Arnold’s pocket, and I pay you. You think, “Oh, Swāmījīis so liberal.” [laughter] You do not care that I have pick-pocketed your own man. This was going on.\nBut they did not take any money from England. Rather, they brought all the money from India here. Yes. So the foolish person, they thought that “As soon we meet any Englishmen, I become rich.”Sahib śubha. Sahib śubha. Sahib śubha: As soon as you become a friend of any nice Englishman, your fortune is start. And that was being done [laughter]. That was being done, because they wanted men. That anyone knew, every city, he’s immediately given some important post.",
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"content": "\n Civil Service.",
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"content": "\nYes. A little English knowledge.",
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"content": "\nAnd a title.",
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"content": "\nSome title and money. But they want some clerks, they want some helper. So people began to learn English, and… But they didn’t want to give high education. No. Simply to become clerks. So one gentleman, Motilal Sil, he was very rich man, so he saw that “Now English education is very important.” So he wanted to start a college, for free education, so that poor man may take English.\nBecause India was poor, so they could not pay for education. The government stopped: “No, you cannot give free higher education.’’ The government did not want, because the government knew that as the, as soon as these people will be highly educated, they will read history, [laughter] and they will know how to…, they will know how to revolt, how to fight. And actually that became.",
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"content": "\n That happened. That happened.",
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"content": "\nThey did not want to open the secret.",
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"content": "\n Yeah, I’ll bet they…, I’ll bet they didn’t know England was a small island, either.",
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"content": "\nAh. [laughter] And, and somebody goes, he goes, he’s near some village, he becomes Lord [indistinct], Lord this, Lord that, but “Where is your Lordship’s…? You have got so small village.” But they wanted to keep their prestige. That was the point. That Gandhi broke this prestige, false prestige. Otherwise, “Oh, Englishmen, they’re coming from heaven.” [laughter] And they maintained that prestige, somehow or other.",
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"content": "\n Chums for a little village.",
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"content": "\nAhah. [laughs] So, and Indians, and there was a Lord Macaulay’s note, what is called, that “If you want to keep these Indians in their original culture, you’ll not be able to rule over them.” Therefore they wanted to kill the Indian culture. And they did it.",
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"content": "\n Dr. Radhakrishnan?",
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"content": "\nYes, that such a fool, you see.",
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"content": "\n Made President, wasn’t he?",
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"content": "\nThey regularly maintained this, I mean to say, standard, that “Anything Indian is, it is primitive, it is useless. Now we are becoming civilized, under our country.” That impression was created. So they liked. Then you must drink. You must drink tea, you must drink wine, you must become, dress like European.",
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"content": "\nRefined. You must become refined.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nYou must become refined, like an Englishman.",
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"content": "\nYes. That was in India. Anyone who becomes, imitate, a respectable Englishman, he’s considered gentleman.",
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"content": "\n Imitate.",
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"content": "\nImitate. Others, Parsis—you know Parsis—they imitate cent percent.",
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"content": "\n Is there a white, whitish color.",
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"content": "\nYes, they are whitish color also.",
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"content": "\n[enters room] Hare Kṛṣṇa. There is a Dr. Sharma.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nA Dr. Sharma",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHe’s here?",
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"content": "\nOr Shah?\nI’m not sure.\n Who is he?\nThere were…, I don’t know a Dr. Sharma, but there were two Doctors.\nNot Dr. Sharma, Mr. Sharma.\nMr. Sharma, ah.\n Probably Mrs. Sharma’s…, you know Carl Road? Anyway.\nWe have one hundred and eight people, so I don’t know them all personally.\n Mr. Arnold has started a guild, Hare Kṛṣṇa Guild?\nGuild of the Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Temple. I sent you a lotus badge.",
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"content": "\nOh, I think that you sent me one.",
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"content": "\n Yes, he sent one badge for how much, they charge? One pound?\nAt least one pound.\n So we’re building up many supporters.",
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"content": "\nThat’s nice.",
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"content": "\n They don’t pay much, but at least they’re…",
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"content": "\nSo you are distributing among Indians or Englishmen?",
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"content": "\nEveryone.\nEveryone.\nAnyone who wants to.\nThe, the main idea, my lord, is so that we can find out exactly what they can do.",
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"content": "\nYes, it is a good idea.",
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"content": "\nWhether they can paint windows, or wash floors, or then consequently when we do get a very nice little temple.",
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"content": "\nAnd our real point was that, how the, in the beginning, the Indians treated the Englishmen. The Lord Clive, he wanted some money. So he approached that Sukhamaya Raya, he was very rich man, banker. So his secretary or his doorman informed—he was upstairs—that “Some Englishman has come to see you.” “Oh, Englishman? Don’t allow him to enter the house.” [laughter] “Let him sit down on the door. I am coming. I am coming. Don’t bring him here.” That was the position. So he came. He came down. He was very rich man.\nThis Lord Clive wanted to go and see him. He said his doorman, “Don’t allow him to enter the door.” [laughs] “Let him sit down on the door; I am coming.” So he came. So he introduced, that “I am Clive.” At that time he might not have been Lord Clive; anyway. “Yes, yes. I have heard your name.” He was speaking in Bengali, interpreted.\n“So what do you want?” “Now, we want some money. We shall return you very soon with interest.” So he said, “Yes, I’ll give you money. I know you are good man.” Because at that time people were not very much satisfied with the rulings of Siraj Daula. So this Siraj Daula was killed by Clive’s intrigue. So some of the people, they liked.",
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"content": "\nSo he wasn’t a Vaiṣṇava.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nHe wasn’t Vaiṣṇava.",
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"content": "\nWho?",
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"content": "\nThis Siraj Daula",
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"content": "\nSiraj Daula was a Muhammadan.",
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"content": "\nMuhammadan?",
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"content": "\nYes. His only fault…, he was a good governor, a good ruler, but these Muhammadans are very much woman-hunter. As soon as there is some beautiful woman, “Bring him…, bring her.” This was going on. So this Sukhamaya Raya advanced money to Lord Clive, and when everything was settled up, he was given vast land and the title “king.”",
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"content": "\n The banker?",
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"content": "\nHuh? The banker, yes. [laughter] Similarly, Raja Nava Kumar, he was a clerk of type, but he helped, so he was also given land and the title “king.” Raja Nava Kumar Raya. They so [indistinct] their family. So in this way the Britishers created the Zamindars, land…, land…, landholders.",
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"content": "\n Oh, they created them.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n Before that there was no…",
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"content": "\nLord Cornwallis.",
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"content": "\n Before that there was no kings or small…",
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"content": "\nNo, there were kings…\n[break] …that is Lord Curzon’s advice, that India, send one of the Royal Family member and become King here.",
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"content": "\nThat didn’t happen though.",
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"content": "\nOh, no. This Parliament interfered. They wanted to bring all money from us. If the Britishers would have ruled, that rule, their administration was very much appreciated, but later on it become exploitation.\nIf the King of England would have ruled the other parts of the world as King, for the benefit of the local people, the British Empire would have continued for long. That was their mistake. It was very nice program, the British Empire. They had very good administration; that everyone admits. But later on the administration became too expert for English people.\nIf they had ruled over the area for the benefit of the people…. That is the King’s duty. As King, as it is Vedic principle, King should give protection to the citizens, make them religious, make them upright. That is King’s duty, not that simply collect tax and think that “This property’s mine,” and spend it as he likes. Of course, in England also, because when the King was doing like that, that Cromwell introduced this parliamentary system.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nAnd the King James, he was…",
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"content": "\nExecuted.",
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"content": "\nExecuted. Now it is by simply name, “King,” it has power. His Majesty, Her Majesty has no power. So this British Empire was very nicely planned, and it was desire of God, but later on they make this policy, exploitation; therefore it failed. That is my opinion.",
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"content": "\n The only, the only thing I could see that they did good is that they gave English, so that you could come to us in the West—so Your Divine Grace could come here and give us Vaiṣṇavism, Vaiṣṇava philosophy.",
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"content": "\nSo, that was possible even at that time. But they would not accept.",
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"content": "\n Yeah.",
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"content": "\nWhen India was dependent, they would not accept anything from India; then their prestige is gone. Here, as I told you, when my Godbrother came, Lord Wellington, his wife, Lady Wellington… Lord Wellington, he was Viceroy. So there was some introduction later. So Lady Wellington challenged our Godbrother, “Swamījī, your men come here.\nWe educate them, give some title, and they go to India, become very big man, important man. So what you have got to teach us?’’ She challenged him like that. They are not prepared to take anything Indian, or give any importance.",
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"content": "\nThey’re thinking you’re second or third class.",
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"content": "\nNo. They knew they’re first class, but they would not allow to become first class. Otherwise their prestige is gone. They were teaching that “Anything, whatever you’ve got, that is all third class. Take from us. That is first class.” This was the impression.",
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"content": "\n Indians are so mild mannered and gentle that they didn’t resist.",
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"content": "\nNo. There is another illusion. If you become supporter of the British rule, you get profit. The British say, “We’ll give you land—your land,” [laughter] “give you title.” So the British businessman, he’ll make him chief salesman. [laughter] Chief salesman means any way, they will sell their goods.\nThe chiefs are just like Motilal Sil, he was chief salesman of seven British business houses, but they cannot approach the local customers; they require the help of a broker. But the broker thinks, “Oh, these Englishmen has made me big man.”",
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"content": "\n Like Sir Padampat Singhania? He got “Sir” title from the British.",
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"content": "\nYes, that he got because he contributed large sum of money during war fund. So in the commission, not only he, many rich men, got this “Sir” title, because they contributed enough money for prosecuting this war affair.",
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"content": "\nWas the Indian government in agreement with this?",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nThe Indian government, did they agree with this? All this?",
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"content": "\nThe Indian government is British government at that time.",
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"content": "\n There wasn’t any Indian government.",
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"content": "\nThe India was forced to join the war, by British, British government.",
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"content": "\n Pakistan…",
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"content": "\nAnd then they utilized Indian soldiers, the Sikh soldier. The India had no hand. And this Mr. Singhania, he supported this, so he was made Lord. So these are politics.",
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"content": "\n Actually, I think that even the word “Sir” comes from Śrī, doesn’t it?",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n The word “Sir”, English word “Sir,” doesn’t that come from Śrī, Sanskrit Śrī?",
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"content": "\nNow, that I do not know. “Sir” means gentleman. “Sir” means knight.",
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"content": "\n“Sir” is a knight. Monsieur. It comes from French.\n I thought it came from Sanskrit, Śrī.\nIt could possibly come from… But “Sir” was being used in the West for centuries.",
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"content": "\nSo where is that Sharma?",
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"content": "\nOh, they went down to ārati.\n Yeah, but the original inhabitants of Britain came from India.\nWell, this is a… [laughs] But, uh, there’s two, there’s two…\n Is that right, Śrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n The original inhabitants of Europe and Britain came from India? Aryan, Aryan tribes?",
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"content": "\nNo, no.",
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"content": "\n Oh.",
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"content": "\nNo. Originally Aryan came from India.",
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"content": "\n Yeah.",
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"content": "\nThat is in Greece, Turkey, and then gradually I think…",
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"content": "\n Hun?",
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"content": "\n…Romans came to England.",
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"content": "\n But there was Huns. Before that there was Huns, and you mentioned others from Bhāgavatam, Pulinda, Huns, Mongols, Saxons and…",
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"content": "\nSo Europe, mixed up. Not pure Aryans.",
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"content": "\n Yeah, but they, they came from that part, didn’t they, India, the…",
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"content": "\nNo, no. Huns were in this side, European side.",
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"content": "\nWe were also…",
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"content": "\nNorth, north of Russia, still they’re Huns. Kirāta-hūṇāndhr. Kirāta means the Africans. So the Europeans, originally Indian kṣatriyas, some of them came to this side, being afraid of being killed by Paraśurāma. Kṣatriya-rudhira-maye jagad-apagata-pāpaṁ [Śrī Daśāvatāra-stotra 6]. He was, twenty-one times killed all the kṣatriyas.",
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"content": "\nWhat does that mean, twenty-one times? You mean they took birth again, and then He…",
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"content": "\nNo, no. Twenty-one times there’s seven years war.",
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"content": "\nSeven…, twenty-one wars. Campaigns.",
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"content": "\nYes. So at that time some of them fled from, and settled up here.",
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"content": "\n Because they call our English language an Indo-Aryan language. That means they find many of the roots in Sanskrit words.",
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"content": "\nSanskrit. Sanskrit, the Professor Rowe, he was Professor in Sanskrit, in Presidency College. He has his grammar, Rowe and Wade. We read that grammar. In that grammar he has written that “Sanskrit is the mother of all languages.” He has written. And your European language, from Latin, Latin is also originated from Sanskrit. Just like matri sabdhā, this is Sanskrit. Like Latin mater.",
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"content": "\nMother.",
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"content": "\nPitri sabdhā.",
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"content": "\nFather.",
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"content": "\nFather. Pitā.",
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"content": "\nPata.",
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"content": "\nPata. Like that.",
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"content": "\nPata, patri.",
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"content": "\nThe original “father” and “mother,” that is derived from Sanskrit.",
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"content": "\n And in the Teutonic languages also, German languages, like atma means to breath, still. Atma, “to breath.”",
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"content": "\nAnd there is one book, Aquarian Gospel? There it is mentioned that Christo, this is a Greek word. But krista is a perverted representation of kṛṣṇa. In India also, still, we call, if one’s name is Kṛṣṇa, we call Krista, still. My younger brother’s name is Kṛṣṇa, so we we were, we were calling him by the name Krista.\n“Krista!” Not Krista—“Kesta.” And from this word krista, the Christ has come. So this Christian religion has got a link with Kṛṣṇa. And Jesus Christ went to India. He remained there for twelve years. That Aquarian Gospel writes; I do not know. You have read that book?",
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"content": "\nNot at all.",
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"content": "\nHe resided in Jagannātha temple.",
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"content": "\nI’ve read it.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nI read that book.",
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"content": "\nYou have read it, that’s it. But there was some misunderstanding; therefore left Jagannātha temple. He went to Buddhist temple in Katmandu. So at that time he received one letter, his father and mother died, when he was staying in India. So Jesus Christ remained for a considerable years in India.",
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"content": "\n Yeah. There’s a whole period of his life, where there’s nothing known…",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n …about him, about his movements.",
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"content": "\nThen he started his preaching here. And in the beginning of his life, he was horrified when the Jews were killing birds in the Synagogue. He was horrified. So how Jesus Christ will allow animal killing? And therefore he said, “Thou shalt not kill.” From his life, from his other information, he was not for killing. He was not for killing.",
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"content": "\nHe did…",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n…on two occasions cause the death of fish, my lord.",
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"content": "\nOne thing is, might have done when there was no other means of eating. This is one point, so far I study. Another thing is that what was the purpose, or even there is no purpose, he was so powerful, he could do that. But we should follow the instruction of Jesus Christ; we should not imitate him.",
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"content": "\n There’s some doubt whether that word has been translated from the original language properly.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n There’s some doubt whether our word “fish” is the proper translation for that word in the original.",
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"content": "\nMany…, but in the common men, it is clearly said, “Thou shalt not kill.’’ That is, that you have to accept. That even Jesus Christ ate some fish or some…, that maybe some special circumstances.",
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"content": "\nThe breaking of the bread; the feeding of the five thousand—two small loaves, fishes, certain fishes.\nFive loaves and two fishes.\n I read a book put out by the Vegetarian Society that said that, that word was translated from the Greek copy of the Aramaic, and in the Greek, that word means a loaf of bread made of some kind of seaweed that grows in Galilee, a kind of sea…",
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"content": "\nThat may be interpretation. But without interpretation, if you have to accept the Ten Commandments, how you can kill? There is no such chance of killing. And other statement that he gave, that the animals are given under the…",
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"content": "\n Dominion.",
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"content": "\n…dominion of man. That does not mean they are meant for killing. Just like Nanda Mahārāja, Kṛṣṇa’s foster father, he was maintaining 900,000 cows, giving protection. And it is the duty of the vaiśya community, kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyaṁ [Bg. 18.44]. There are three different types of occupation: agriculture, cow protection and trade.\nThat is called vaiśya. So, giving the animals under the human being means protection, not for killing. Suppose if you give…, you give your child to some gentleman, that “I am going; you take care of this child,’’ it does not mean that the child has to be killed. So I don’t think in Christian religion killing is allowed. I don’t.",
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"content": "\nIn the very, very first pages of the Bible it says when Lord created the Earth and everything, and then He says, “The seed-bearing plants of the earth shall be your meat, and strictly forbidden to eat other things.” It says very clearly what they shall eat.",
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"content": "\nBesides that, Lord Jesus Christ says that you should…, well-behaved with your neighbor, what is that?",
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"content": "\n“One should love thy neighbor as thyself.”",
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"content": "\nThyself?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nSo, in broader sense now, there are many animals, they’re also our neighbor, the domestic animals. So Lord Jesus Christ cannot say that your human being are neighbors; they are not your neighbors. And he was horrified when animals and birds are being killed in the Jews’ Synagogue. That is… So one who is horrified for killing, and he specifically accepted, “Thou shalt not kill.” I don’t think in Christian religion killing is allowed.",
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"content": "\nBut it’s such a long-accepted practice now, my lord.",
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"content": "\nThat is different thing.",
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"content": "\nVery difficult.",
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"content": "\nThat is different. That is different. You are practiced to something; that is different thing. But when you talk of Christian religion, I don’t think killing can be allowed. And besides that, any religion, killing is barbarian. Killing is barbarian. When you talk of religion, there cannot be any killing.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa says, “When there is a rise in irreligion, then I come.”",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa says, “When there is a rise in irreligion, then I come.”",
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"content": "\nYes. So far Muhammadan religion is concerned, that is also killing restricted, and they had no other ways. It is desert.",
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"content": "\nBut that’s a very…",
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"content": "\nAnother thing, even killing of animal is required for sacrifice, the Vedic religion also allow—but not cow. These goats, they are allowed. The meat-eater, under restriction, they can eat goats. But not the higher caste. The brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśyas, they would not. The lowest class, the śūdras, or lower than that, they used to kill. But not cows, because cow is very important animal.",
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"content": "\nI remember once also…",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n…on a walk in Mr. John Lennon’s estate, you were speaking about how when the old cows and old bulls die, then the mucis, the cobblers, after taking off their skin…",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n…then they could take.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nBut not before.",
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"content": "\nNo, no, no, no.",
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"content": "\nNot before.",
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"content": "\nNo, it is not very wise to kill cow. But if you want cow’s skin, there is guarantee. Anyone will die; you get the skin. And if you want to eat, then at the time when it dies, you can eat. So why you should kill? Killing means economic loss. The cows, while living, is giving the nicest food—milk. And so long you get nice milk, you can prepare so many nutritious foodstuff, from cow’s milk.",
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"content": "\nFertilizer you can get, too.",
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"content": "\nFertilizer. Cow dung. Cow’s urine is also so, I mean, antiseptic. So the meat-eaters may, if they’re insisting. First, first of all, nobody should eat meat. All right, if there is a class of men, they want eating meat, but they can eat. Just like they’re eating hogs, or goats.",
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"content": "\nHunting for things.",
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"content": "\nHunting other animals. But cow especially must be protected, for society’s good. Must be protected—from gratitude. We are drinking milk of cow. How we can kill our mother? From all considerations, especially cow protection must be there. That is the duty of the vaiśyas, kṛṣi-go-rakṣya-vāṇijyaṁ.\nCow protection is especially mentioned. And the cow blood, the milk is nothing but blood. So you get more vitamin value by drinking milk than eating, drinking, cow blood. From all points of view, cow protection must be there. That is human civilization. From all points of view.",
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"content": "\n And they eat garbage. They don’t eat…, it’s not that they’re going to eat very much. They eat garbage or any grass.",
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"content": "\nNo, that is our…, because of want of food. They should be given nice food. One nice food.",
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"content": "\nGrass.",
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"content": "\nYou take the paddies of the wheat, and you give him the grass. You take the pulp of the fruit, and you give the skin. You take the plantain, banana, the inside pulp, and you give him the skin. So there is always share, and the cow, taking the rejected portion, is supplying you milk. You cannot avoid milk, but on account of this sinful activity, milk supplies will be stopped. There will be no more milk. That is stated in the Bhāgavatam.",
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"content": "\n If they have no mercy for the cow, what to speak of other humans, now they’re killing the…",
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"content": "\nThey have no mercy. There is no question of mercy. And they cannot be devotion also, animal killers. According to our conception, every living entity is part and parcel of God. So suppose God…, in Christian religion also it is accepted, “father.” So the father has got so many children. Some of them are animals, some of them are trees, some of them are human beings, some of them are insects, some of them… Like that—8,400,000 species.\nKṛṣṇa claims sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya: “In all species of life, as many forms are there,”sambhavanti mūrtayaḥ yāḥ [Bg. 14.4]. Mūrtayaḥ means “forms.” In all species of life. He does not say simply human form—all forms. And Kṛṣṇa’s picture, you see, is…, as loving… Where is that picture you showed me?",
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"content": "\n He’s always with the cow.",
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"content": "\nAh, He is embracing.",
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"content": "\n The cow in the back",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nI have one also.",
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"content": "\nSo He has personally taught us how to treat with cow. He began a cowherds boy, and His business was go early in the morning to take care of the cows and go in the forest.",
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"content": "\nAnd also, of course, when He was, when He was in danger after, after killing Pūtanā, then all the women came, bathed with urine…",
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"content": "\nYes, the ladies, Yaśodā and other ladies took Him to the cow dung, and cow’s tail, like that, so that inauspicity may go. So cow has been given very importance position. And practically we see, we are drinking cow’s milk still. Still also many dairy farms are going on. So cow killing in human society cannot be supported.\nCannot be supported. In…, during Emperor Akbar’s time, one poet wrote a poetry presenting to the emperor about the cow’s appealing, that “I am doing this, I am doing this, I am doing this. I am simply eating grass, and I don’t encroach upon your foodstuff, but still I give you so nice food that your children lives on this, and when I die, I give my skin, I give my hoof. I am so serviceable. I am willing to serve you, and still you are killing me.’’ The substance of the poetry is there, and when Emperor Akbar read this poetry, he stopped cow killing: “No. No more cow killing.”",
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"content": "\n Which king was that?",
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"content": "\nHuh? Akbar. The first Mogul emperor. He simply presented this poetry, had the cow appealing, that “I am giving so much service—not only living time, even after my death. Still you are killing me. And you call yourself civilized.” So when Emperor Akbar read this poetry, he stopped. In Afghanistan still, there is no cow killing. Afghanistan.",
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"content": "\n That’s a Muhammadan country, isn’t it?",
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"content": "\nYes, yes. And long ago I was coming from Kashmir, one Muhammadan gentlemen was my fellow passenger, so when he called for that restaurant man, so he was whispering, “Don’t…, is it cow’s flesh?’’ “Well, no, no, no, it is not.’’ So there are many Muhammadans, they won’t touch cow’s flesh. Still, in India. There are many vegetarian also.",
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"content": "\n Many signs in the restaurants, “No beef.”",
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"content": "\nYes. So for civilized society, cow killing must be stopped. It is a great sin. From all points of view—from economic point of view, from religious point of view, from social point of view.",
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"content": "\nThat’s a big task.\n Everybody thinks that there’s no, we have no reason to not kill cows, that we’re simply sentimental, the Indians or the Vaiṣṇavas.\nPrabhupāda\n: \nSentiment, yes. Do you think this sentiment is bad? You are drinking milk, and cow is accepted as mother. Is this sentiment? Is it sentiment? You drink one’s milk, and you consider that animal as ordinary animal. How you are civilized? According to Vedic civilization, even, just like Kṛṣṇa, because He drank the milk of Pūtanā, He took him as mother, although she came to poison Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa took the bright side, that “Whatever he” [laughter] “she, she might have done, I have sucked her breast. Oh, she has become My mother. She should get the exact position like My mother.’’ This is sentiment.\n You know one of their arguments is that if we don’t kill the cow, there’ll be over-population. They say.",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\n Yes, they say about the cows that if we did not have slaughterhouses to kill these cows, there would be so many cows they would take up everything. This, this is the kind of argument. Really. I’m serious. They say.\nThat’s demonic thinking.",
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"content": "\nThe rascals, they do not understand they will be oversupplied of milk, he will be happy. [laughing]",
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"content": "\n Everything will be adjusted.",
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"content": "\nYou’ll get more rasgullās. [laughter] Ghee.",
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"content": "\nCream.",
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"content": "\nCream, so many things.",
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"content": "\n They’re actually bred anyway, the cows. Artificial insemination is what makes so many cows. Our cows at New Vrindavan are born from artificial insemination. They take the sperm…",
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"content": "\nThey, they want for food. They want to kill.",
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"content": "\n The people are not…, they don’t…., they don’t even like milk, these people, at least in Germany. They give the milk to the hogs in Germany. They give. But we sometimes go to a farm, you know, and they say, “Oh, and we have just given all the milk to the hogs.”\nThey take the cream off first.\n They said, “We ourselves, we don’t, we hardly ever drink milk. We take a little for our coffee, for the cream, but the rest we give to the hog, or we sell to the dairy.”\n They make it into cheese that tastes like meat, smells like meat. Make it into cheese.\n Most people don’t drink too much milk. The younger children, the children drink the milk, but once they get past sixteen years old, they don’t take much milk anymore.",
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"content": "\nThat means beginning of life is from milk. If there was no milk, how your children would live?",
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"content": "\n Even in Russia the babies were drinking milk.",
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"content": "\nSo still you’re killing. No. There is no reason for cow killing.",
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"content": "\n In fact, a cow that eats grass, it only bites it off; it doesn’t pull the roots. The grass grows back, and it’s harmless. But the goats, they pull the grass up by the root. No grass can grow there anymore.",
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"content": "\nOh.",
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"content": "\n So actually in North Africa, it used to be very verdant, very fertile land, and from so many thousands of years of grazing goats—I read an article in a science magazine—it’s depleted the soil. No grass grows there now. It’s desert, desert country mostly. The Muhammadans introduced goats, and those goats have eaten all the grass. It won’t grow back.\nBut before them there were cows, because that’s when Mahārāja Parīkṣit was traveling in his kingdom, and Kali personified was…\n North Africa?\nYes.\n Yeah, originally it was very fertile, even in Roman times. Carthaginian.",
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"content": "\nCow dung is a fertilization. Any, any stool is fertilizer. So passing stool in the field, that is, stool is utilized for some purpose. Now in the cities, we are passing so much stool, it is being spoiled. [laughter] No, there was scientific estimation, that we are losing so many, so much quantity of fat and hypophosphite, and this, like that.",
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"content": "\nDid you see the article today in the paper, my lord, that uh…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHuh?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n…one borough council was giving farmers, and all the various people, free fertilizers that was in fact, was made from the human’s excreta, and the scientists were finding that there was vast deposits of mercury and lead. In fact it was killing the land, and it was being taken from humans.",
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"content": "\nIn stool?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nNo. In Germany they attempted to extract fat from stool, and they did it. They collected all stool, and by chemical process extracted fat from it. And from practical experience stool is very substantial food, vitamin A, B, C, D. [laughter] You see the hogs, they eat, they become very quickly fat. [laughter]\nBecause human being, eating all valuable foodstuff, they cannot digest; so that is passing into stool. So all the feed values are there. So better the scientist make some research. And they made, German scientist, and they extracted fat from stool. I do not know if they’re still doing. [laughter] You know, you know better.",
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"content": "\n I don’t know about it.\nThen the scientists, the German scientists anyway, have made very fine meat from wood. Hauptsfleisch they called it.\n When was this?\nThey were selling this during the war, in tins.\n Out of wood?\nYes.\n The Germans?\nYeah.",
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"content": "\nThen why not take vegetable?",
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"content": "\nYes, but, you know the American Spam stuff? Well, when we were in the army, of course, we got cut off, you know, and we was eating anything.",
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"content": "\nSo, that Mr. Sharma can come. Let him come in. Yes. He wanted to see me.",
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"content": "\nWell, can I be excused, my lord, for a little while? Go and see my wife? She’s downstairs.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHuh?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nCan I be excused?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nOh, yes.",
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"content": "\n She can come up here.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nOh, yes.",
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"content": "\n Later.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nOh, yes. Let her come. Oh, you can, you can go, bring her. [to new guest:] You sit down. He is going, he is going.",
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"content": "\nWell, I’d like change, my lord, too, because I’ve out since…",
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"content": "\nAll right, all right, all right.",
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"content": "\nShould I bring his wife?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nOh, yes.",
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"content": "\n He’s just coming. [break]",
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"content": "\n …be introduced to the human society. They will be saved.",
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"content": "\nThere’s, there’s some very nice land still in England that could be used for, for a nice āśrama, country āśrama. There’s some very nice land still. In Devon, in the West Country of England, in Wales. Scotland also.",
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"content": "\nWhen people understand that we are doing something very important, they will cooperate. It is our duty to convince them.",
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"content": "\n Intelligent men like Mr. Arnold are many. They can understand through philosophy, if we just give it.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nMr. Arnold can preach amongst…",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n…gentlemen-class men.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n When he becomes more and more…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n …convinced. He’s a wonderful man.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n Very logical, and cool-headed.",
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"content": "\n[knock on door; people enter and Prabhupada greets] Yes?",
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"content": "\nWould you like the fire on, Prabhupāda?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nWould you like the fire on?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nWhat is that? You should come.",
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"content": "\n Fire, do you want the fire on?",
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"content": "\nI don’t want. [Hindi, talking with guest]\nGuest\n: [Hindi]\nPrabhupāda\n: We want a big hall.",
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"content": "\n[Hindi] and I have to buy another hall, big place in Kingsway, for few months back.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nOh, yes.",
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"content": "\nFew months back.",
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"content": "\nJaya.",
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"content": "\nBut I think they were wanting much more money. We could not afford to pay that much.",
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"content": "\n[Hindi]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi] Actually I started coming only few months back.",
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"content": "\n[Mrs. Arnold enters] How are you?",
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"content": "\nVery well, thank you. Very nice.",
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"content": "\n[Hindi]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi].",
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"content": "\nIf Pakistan [Hindi] and we can make the whole world Hindustan. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\nTikhe.",
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"content": "\n[Hindi]",
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"content": "\nTikhe.",
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"content": "\n[Hindi]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi]",
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"content": "\nAnd why don’t you take this opportunity to make the whole world Hindustan?",
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"content": "\nThat’s right.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nI’m doing that.",
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"content": "\nHindi",
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"content": "\nI’m claiming the whole world is Bhārata-varṣa. Last night’s…, you were present last night?",
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"content": "\nActually, I’m staying over thirty miles from this place.",
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"content": "\nOh. I told that, that whole world was Bhārata, Bhārata-varṣa.",
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"content": "\nYeah.",
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"content": "\nYou remember?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nSo I’m claiming the whole world Bhārata-varṣa, and whole world Vedic culture.",
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"content": "\nTikhe.",
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"content": "\nAnd whole world’s God is one—Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nThat’s right.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nSo why don’t you help us?",
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"content": "\nYeah.",
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"content": "\nI do not know why the Hindus, they are not, they are not coming, in my cooperation. They are so much downtrodden.",
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"content": "\nThat’s right. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi] I can challenge all these rascals. They come to earn some money. These so-called Bhāgavata reader, and these, and Swami, and… They come to earn some money. They do not want that this culture should be spread, neither they know how to spread it.",
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"content": "\nYes. That’s right.",
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"content": "\n[Hindi] I’ve used some strong word, but it is with great regret. That so many Indians there are, they are not coming to my cooperation.",
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"content": "\nThat’s right. [Hindi] Not so much as we should.",
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"content": "\nThat we have contested. We want immediately. We cannot expect monetary help from others.",
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"content": "\nActually.",
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"content": "\nYou see.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nThat’s right.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nBut they are still giving us so much help, these European boys and American boys.",
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"content": "\nYeah, they are doing a lot more.",
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"content": "\nNot a single Indian coming.",
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"content": "\nYeah. That I do realize, because I started coming this temple about six months back. So I went through some of the literature which I got from Oxford Street in the beginning, before, when I came from India.",
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"content": "\nThat is my plight, you see.",
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"content": "\nAnd I was…",
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"content": "\nI don’t get any Indian, Hindu cooperation, in such a big movement.",
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"content": "\nSo I thought that we Indians who should have much more, sacrifice much more devotion, much more donation to this city and this…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nNow immediately we require a big place.",
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"content": "\nYeah. Oh, yes.",
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"content": "\nAnd so, so many Indians, rich Indians are there; they are not coming forward.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nThat’s right.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n[Hindi] How many Indians are here in London?",
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"content": "\nAround 200,000.\nHow much?",
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"content": "\n200,000. If they, if contribute one pound each.",
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"content": "\nOne pound each will be with one…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nImmediately we can purchase a nice place.",
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"content": "\nToday, the United Kingdom is about ten thousand, uh, ten lakhs.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nTen lakhs.\nTen million.\nOne million.\nOne million, that means ten lakhs of people living here…",
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"content": "\nSo we can immediately raise ten lakhs.",
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"content": "\nIn London there are only about two lakhs now.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nIn London there are two lakhs. In whole of the United Kingdom...",
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"content": "\nOh. [Hindi].",
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"content": "\n[Hindi] we went to all the temples of the world and…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nThe thing is a great achievement.\nIn this century, I would say…",
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"content": "\nThey…, you simply speak on your lips but don’t come forward to help me.",
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"content": "\nHm. That’s right.",
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"content": "\nIt is a great achievement, undoubtedly. Whole world will accept. That’s a fact.",
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"content": "\n[Hindi] I have been going through [Hindi].",
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"content": "\n[Hindi]. But I don’t want to become proud. It is my duty I have done. But you should know it. You should help me. Neither the government is helping, neither the Indian people is helping, and neither the foreign… Subhas Bose, he raised fund and established one iron fleet. But I cannot do that. Why this non-cooperation? I do not know what I have done. [Hindi] Why this non-cooperation spirit?",
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"content": "\nOh, nahi, I would say not non-cooperation; it is ignorance.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes, I don’t get their cooperation.",
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"content": "\nIt’s ignorance, that they…",
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"content": "\nBut ignorance—that, that it is foolishness.",
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"content": "\nThe foolishness I would say.",
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"content": "\nIt’s not ignorance. It is foolishness. [Hindi] …immediately for a nice place. And so many English boys are coming. I can keep thousands of them…",
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"content": "\nThousands of…",
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"content": "\n…if I get a proper place.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nThat’s right.",
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"content": "\n[Hindi]",
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"content": "\nWhen Keśava from USA—he came here about two months back…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nWho?",
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"content": "\nKeśavananda.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes, yes. He’s my disciple, Keśava.",
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"content": "\n455 Valencia, San Francisco. And at that time they went to have some place, but they said we could not have money, that’s what the…",
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"content": "\nThe money, you can, you can contribute.",
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"content": "\nHm.",
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"content": "\nI came in America with seven dollars only.",
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"content": "\nThat’s right.",
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"content": "\nNobody gave me money. Neither government, neither big men.",
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"content": "\nNo, that I know. It was all you alone, personally and all great continuous perseverance.",
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"content": "\n[Hindi] [end]",
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"content": "\n[some distortion]\n So you are now married, and you happily go on with Kṛṣṇa consciousness and have Kṛṣṇa conscious children. If you cannot produce Kṛṣṇa conscious children, then don't indulge in sex life; don't bring in cats and dogs. [laughter] All Kṛṣṇa conscious. And if you can bring Kṛṣṇa conscious children, you produce one hundred children.\n[break] ...Vedic śāstra, the Vedic, I mean, scripture, we find that Kṛṣṇa is supporting all living entities: eko yo bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]. What is God and what is living entities? That difference is there in the Vedas: nityo nityānām cetanaś cetanānām. He is the chief amongst the living entities. There are eka.\nHe is the one, single, and we are many millions and trillions, unlimited—there is no counting how many living entities are there. But He is maintaining everyone, eko yo bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān. So there is no question of population..., increase of population. This is a nonsense theory. Kṛṣṇa can feed any number of population, but when they are rascals there is trouble.\n[break] You can understand it very easily. Just like if you are a nice citizen, so there is no restriction of your activities. But as soon as you become criminal, oh, immediately there is trouble. So at the present moment we are all criminals; therefore there is so much crisis in the world. But if we live simple life, there is no crisis. If we abide by the laws of God, there is no question of poverty or distress or famine or disease—nothing. There is nothing.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is aiming to that perfectional stage of human society, that everyone will live happily during this life, and after this body he goes directly to Kṛṣṇa, That's all.",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa!",
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"content": "\n This is our program. So don't miss this opportunity. Now next, Hari-nāma. No guardian present?",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n So, all right. So any. You can. You can…",
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"content": "\n Hari-nāma, this is my Godsister Prabhāvatī, and I give her to you in charity because she is my sister, and I ask you that you must take very good care of her and always protect her. Do you accept her in charity?\n I accept Prabhāvatī as my wife, and I will protect her...",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is the…",
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"content": "\n ...help her in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n The whole idea is that woman require protection. They are very innocent, weaker sex. They should not be given freedom. No. That is not…, very dangerous. Just like a child cannot be given freedom. It is dangerous. If I give one child freedom, \"All right, you cross this road,\" that means his life is at risk. Similarly women, they are weaker sex.\nArtificially don't try to become one with man; that is not possible. That is not possible. Better to remain protected by man. In the childhood a girl is protected by the father; in youth she is protected by the husband; and in the old-age she is protected by the elderly sons. This is the three stages of woman. There is no fourth stage. That is nice.\nSo this system—the husband taking charge of the young girl, husband and wife in Kṛṣṇa consciousness—it is very nice life. Introduce this. Everyone will be happy. There will be no unhappiness in the society. So I am very glad that Hari-nāma, a Kṛṣṇa conscious boy, is taking charge of you, and you also promise that \"I shall serve you throughout my whole life.\" Say like that.",
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"content": "\n I promise to serve Hari-nāma for my whole life.",
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"content": "\n Ah. And there is no question of separation in any condition of life. Not that, \"Oh, the husband is a little poor. I am giving…, give him up.\" No. There is no question. [laughter] [chuckles] In any condition of life you should remain together. Even if you have to live underneath a tree, don't be separated—you'll be happy. And chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [break] [Prabhupāda and devotees chant japa] [break]\nDīkṣā means… Dī means divyā. Divyā means \"transcendental.\" And kṣa, kṣapayati—kṣapayati means \"explains\" or \"reveals,\" or \"becomes enlightened.\" So dīkṣā means beginning of enlightenment, transcendental enlightenment. Dīkṣā. And initiation is beginning. That you know[?].\nSo, tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. In the Vedic injunction it is stated that in order to learn that transcendental science one must approach a guru, or the spiritual master. Without approaching a spiritual master there is no possibility of attaining transcendental knowledge. So dīkṣā, divyaṁ jñānaṁ kṣapayati—the beginning.\nSo those who are being initiated today, they should learn how to make advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Ādau gurvāśrayam [Brs 1.1.74]. In the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement the first thing is to accept a bona fide spiritual master.\nIn any science, if you want to advance in that science, you have to accept a bona fide teacher, without which, in any field of knowledge, you cannot make any advance. Especially in the transcendental science one has… Ādau gurvāśrayam. Ādau means in the beginning; gurvāśrayam—accepting a bona fide spiritual master. Sad-dharma-pṛcchā [Brs 1.1.74].\nThen simply by accepting formally a spiritual master is no use. One must be very inquisitive. One must enquire about the transcendental science. The student who is inquisitive for transcendental science, he should accept a spiritual master. A spiritual master is not accepted for any material gain.\nFor material gain you have got so many universities, colleges, schools—that's all right. But for spiritual gain you must accept a spiritual master who is in the disciplic succession and self-realized soul. Then your path is clear. To accept a spiritual master—bona fide spiritual master—and follow his instructions means your path to liberation is open.\nIn many places of the authoritative scripture these things are stated. Mahat-sevāṁ dvāram āhur vimuktes [SB 5.5.2]. Vimukteḥ. Vimukteḥ means liberation from this material bondage. If anyone wants liberation from the material bondage… Unfortunately, we do not know what is material bondage. They are so much callous that we have no knowledge. The material bondage is birth, death, old age and disease. This is called material bondage.\nWe want freedom—that is our natural inclination. Every one of us wants freedom. But freedom from what? This so-called freedom has no meaning. Real freedom is when you are free from the nature's law, which is forcing you to take birth, which is forcing you to die, which is forcing you to become diseased and which is forcing you to become old. So if one wants freedom… [break] [end]",
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"content": "\n Who has taken your Deity?",
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"content": "\n Who has taken Him? I don't know. Somebody, they broke in the house, they took one typewriter and the sewing machine, and I think it's...",
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"content": "\n Who? Typewriter? When?",
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"content": "\n Last night. Yesterday we just got a new sewing machine...",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n Heh?",
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"content": "\n ...a very expensive sewing machine, and they stole it.",
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"content": "\n Sewing machine?",
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"content": "\n And a typewriter. It was taken from the house.\n While we were at Griffith Park with kīrtana party they broke into our house and took it.\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n So that quarter is not nice?",
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"content": "\n No, it's not a nice quarter. So we'll take more precautions now.",
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"content": "\n Somebody must remain always.",
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"content": "\n Okay.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nThat is the only precaution.",
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"content": "\nYes, that's what I was thinking.",
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"content": "\n I think in our apartment also somebody must remain. Here, this is... In New York also I lost my typewriter, tape recorder. In 72nd St. at daytime, at nine o'clock. I went to take my meals in Dr. Mishra's place at about nine, and when I came back we saw the door is broken. That superintendent, he was a Negro. He has done, I know that. This is very common case here. You purchased new machine and new...?",
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"content": "\n The tape recorder... I mean the sewing machine was Śīlavatī's. She has sent it down here with Dineśa. Two or three hours before, I had just gotten it.",
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"content": "\n Your tape recorder also?",
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"content": "\n No. I had brought the sewing machine from Śīlavatī in San Francisco. Yes. This sewing machine.",
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"content": "\n And typewriter, whose?",
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"content": "\n The typewriter was mine. I'd just... Puruṣottama had just brought it from New York from my parents to me. So less than a week, and they both are gone.",
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"content": "\n New typewriter?",
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"content": "\n Well, it was practically new. It was a very good typewriter.",
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"content": "\n What is the maker?",
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"content": "\n Olivetti. It's the portable.",
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"content": "\n Olivetti portable.",
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"content": "\n Yes. A good one. But the sewing machine is very expensive. It may be 150 dollars,\n 163 dollars.\n 163 dollars. Very good.",
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"content": "\n So we have to take care. What can be done? Now you should be very careful, and somebody must remain there always.",
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"content": "\nWe live in a very good quarter, though. They live by Watts, and that's the... They live by Watts district, and Watts district is very notorious. There were seven-day riots of shooting and Negro revolts there about two years ago, three years ago. We live in a very nice quarter, but where they're living is in a very bad place.",
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"content": "\n So you will continue to live there? [chuckles]",
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"content": "\n Yes, it's in [indistinct]. It's not directly in the worst area. It's not in Watts county. It's in a different area, but still... Where you live is very good, though. I don't think there would be any theft. More safe.",
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"content": "\n Yes. It appears very respectable quarter.\nAll right. Read.",
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"content": "\n \"Sañjaya said, Seeing Arjuna full of compassion and very sorrowful, his eyes brimming with tears, Madhusūdana, Kṛṣṇa, spoke the following words. [Bg. 2.1]\n\"The Supreme Personality said, 'My dear Arjuna, how have these impurities come upon you? They are not at all befitting a man who knows the progressive values of life. They do not lead to higher planets, but to infamy [Bg. 2.2].' Purport...\"",
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"content": "\n Now, Arjuna was sympathetic with his brothers and relatives, and he was practically crying, with tears in his eyes, and Kṛṣṇa said that it is non-Āryan. It is not befitting for an Āryan. Just see. He was so compassionate, but still, it is not approved by Kṛṣṇa.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"The Sanskrit word Bhagavān is explained by the great authority Parāśara Muni, the father of Vyāsadeva. The Supreme Personality who possesses all riches, entire strength, entire fame, entire beauty, entire knowledge and entire renunciation is called Bhagavān. There are many persons who are very rich, very powerful, very beautiful, very famous, very learned and very much detached, but no one can claim that he is possessor of all these opulences entirely.\n\"Such a claim is applicable to Kṛṣṇa only, and as such He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. No living entity, including Brahmā, can possess such opulence. Neither Lord Śiva nor even Nārāyaṇa can possess such opulence as fully as Kṛṣṇa.\n\"By analytical study of such possessions it is concluded in the Brahma-saṁhitā by Lord Brahmā himself that Lord Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Nobody is equal to or above Him. He is the primeval Lord, or Bhagavān, known as Govinda, and He is the supreme cause of all causes. It is stated as follows:\n\"There are many personalities possessing the qualities of Bhagavān, but Kṛṣṇa is supreme over all of them because none can excel Him. He is the Supreme Person and His body is eternal, full of knowledge and bliss. He is the primeval Lord Govinda and the cause of all causes.\n\"In the Bhāgavatam also there is a list of many incarnations of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but Kṛṣṇa is described therein as the original Personality from whom many, many incarnations and Personalities of Godhead expand. It is stated in this way:\n\"All the lists of the incarnations of Godhead submitted herewith are either plenary expansions or parts of the plenary expansions of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead, the Absolute Truth, the source of both Supersoul and the impersonal Brahman.\n\"In the presence of the Supreme Person, Arjuna's lamentation for his kinsmen is certainly unbecoming, and therefore Kṛṣṇa expressed His surprise with the word kutas, 'wherefrom.' Such unmanly sentiments were never expected from a person belonging to the civilized class of men known as Āryans.\n\"The word Āryan is applicable to persons who know the value of life and have a civilization based on spiritual realization. Persons who are led by the material conception of life do not know that the aim of life is realization of the Absolute Truth, Viṣṇu, or Bhagavān. Such persons are captivated by the external features...\"",
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"content": "\n But at the present moment they claim that \"We belong to the Āryan family,\" but they have not the qualification of an Āryan. The Āryan qualification is described there. Simply Arjuna was little flickering, he showed his little weakness, and he was at once condemned as non-Āryan: \"Oh, you are just showing your symptom of a non-Āryan.\" You see. And by Kṛṣṇa. But, the Āryan word is not ordinary. To become Āryan means a perfect human being, as far as possible. That is Āryan civilization.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Such persons are captivated by the external features of the material world, and therefore they do not know what liberation is. Persons who have no knowledge of liberation from material bondage are called non-Āryans. Arjuna was trying to deviate from his prescribed duties, declining to fight, although he was a kṣatriya, or warrior.\n\"This act of cowardice is described as befitting the non-Āryans. Such deviation from duty does not help one in the progress of spiritual life, nor does it even give one the opportunity of becoming famous in this world. Lord Kṛṣṇa did not approve of the so-called compassion of Arjuna for his kinsmen.\"",
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"content": "\n So-called compassion. He was thinking that by showing that compassion he'll be, I mean to say, eulogized by Kṛṣṇa. But Kṛṣṇa condemned it. Yes. Just the opposite. In other words, Kṛṣṇa is very strict also. That is the qualification of Kṛṣṇa and His associates.\nVajrād api kaṭhora and kusumād api kamala. Softer than the flower and harder than the thunderbolt. Two sides. When Kṛṣṇa is strict He's harder than the thunderbolt, and when He's soft, He's softer than the flower. These two examples are given. Vajrād api kaṭhora, kusumād api kamala.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is not lenient to His friend or to His devotee. Because that leniency will not help him. Will not help him. Sometimes He appears to be very hard for the devotee, but He's not hard. Just like father sometimes becomes very strict. That is good. That will be proved, how Kṛṣṇa's hardness will prove his salvation. At the end Arjuna will admit, \"By Your mercy, my illusion is now over.\"\nSo this sort of stricture by..., from God on the devotee is sometimes misunderstood. Because we are always accustomed to accept what is immediately very pleasing, but sometimes we'll find that we are not getting which is immediately very pleasing. But we should not be disappointed. We shall stick to Kṛṣṇa. That is Arjuna's position.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"O son of Pṛthā, do not yield to this degrading impotence.\" [Bg. 2.3]\n[O son of Pṛthā, do not yield to this degrading impotence. It does not become you. Give up such petty weakness of heart and arise, O chastiser of the enemy.]",
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"content": "\n Hmm. Degrading impotence. He doesn't want to see [chuckling] His devotee a coward and impotent. So this so-called qualification, impotency and niggard, that is not qualification for devotee. He must be very, in every way, very expert and fit. Kṛṣṇa wants to see. Yes.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"It does not become you. Give up such petty weakness of heart and arise, O chastiser of the enemy.\"",
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"content": "\n He's specially addressing, \"chastiser of the enemy.\" Where there is no excuse, you must be chastiser. Not that \"Because I have become Kṛṣṇa conscious, I'll be very humble.\" You must be humble, but in need, if there is need, you shall be thunderbolt. That is Kṛṣṇa instructing.",
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"content": "\n \"Arjuna said: O killer of Madhu, Kṛṣṇa, how can I counterattack with arrows in battle personalities like Bhīṣma and Droṇa, who are worthy of my worship?\" [Bg. 2.4]\n[Arjuna said: O killer of Madhu [Kṛṣṇa], how can I counterattack with arrows in battle men like Bhīṣma and Droṇa, who are worthy of my worship?]",
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"content": "\n Of course, all explanation are not there. Here, these words, Kṛṣṇa addressed Arjuna, \"chastiser of enemies.\" And Arjuna addresses Kṛṣṇa, \"Madhusūdana,\" or the killer of the demon Madhu. \"Yes, You are addressing me as chastiser of enemy, but do You think my grandfather, my teacher, they are my enemies?\nYou killed demon Madhu, therefore Your name is Madhusūdana, but You are asking me to kill my grandfather and teacher.\" That is the hint. \"It is all right that Your name is Madhusūdana. You killed one demon whose name was Madhu, but You are asking me, Bhīṣmasūdana? Bhīṣma is my grandfather. And Droṇasūdana?\" Sūdana means killer. \"So how can I be that?\" That is the answer.",
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"content": "\n \"It is better to live in this world by begging than to live at the cost of the lives of great souls who are my teachers. Even though they are avaricious, they are nonetheless superiors. If they are killed, then our spoils will be tainted with blood.\" [Bg. 2.5]\n[It is better to live in this world by begging than to live at the cost of the lives of great souls who are my teachers. Even though they are avaricious, they are nonetheless superiors. If they are killed, our spoils will be tainted with blood.]",
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"content": "\n This is another indication how superiors should be shown respect. Arjuna says, \"Although they have become avaricious, still, they are my superior.\" Avaricious, why? \"They have got full affection for me. My grandfather Bhīṣma has got full affection for me. And Droṇācārya, I am his very dear student, so he has also my very affection..., good affection for me.\nBut because Duryodhana has paid them, he has accepted their service. Paid them. So avaricious. Simply for money, in spite of so much affection and intimate relationship, they have accepted the service of Duryodhana, counting on money. So therefore they are avaricious. But in spite of their being avaricious, they are my respectful.\"\nThis is respect. This is respect, that the respectful person who is my respectful, even there are some characteristics who does not command respect, still respect should be offered. This is respectful offering. Yes. Sometimes it may be... The example is given, in the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find, api cet sudarācāro bhajate mām ananya-bhāk sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ [Bg. 9.30]:\n[Even if one commits the most abominable actions, if he is engaged in devotional service, he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated.]\n\"Even a devotee is sometimes found not acting properly, but because he has got that unflinching faith and devotion upon Me,\" Kṛṣṇa says, \"therefore he is saint.\" Only for that one qualification—he does not know except Kṛṣṇa.\nSo to such person, even some flaws are found in their character... Just like we have imposed some rules that illicit sex relationship and intoxication, meat-eating, so many things. So... Of course, intentionally one should not break these laws. But even sometimes we may find that there is some flaw in one's part... Suppose if I see somebody smoking, but he is doing Kṛṣṇa consciousness very nicely. So we should not deride.\nWe shall give him concession to reform. It does not mean that because he has accidentally smoked, smoking, that does not mean he has become immediately disqualified. As Arjuna is showing: \"Although they have become avaricious, still, they are my superiors. Still. Still, they are my superiors.\"\nThis is. This is called unflinching faith. In spite of seeing my respectful superior abominable, not willingly, but by accident, still, I should not withdraw my respect. That is the... Hmm.",
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"content": "\n \"Nor do we know which is better, conquering them or being conquered by them. The sons of Dhṛtarāṣṭra, whom if we killed we should not care to live, are now standing before us on this battlefield.\" [Bg. 2.6]\n[Nor do we know which is better—conquering them or being conquered by them. The sons of Dhṛtarāṣṭra, whom if we killed we should not care to live, are now standing before us on this battlefield.]\nPurport: \"Arjuna became perplexed in this connection, not knowing whether he should execute the fighting with the risk of committing unnecessarily violence, although it is the duty of the kṣatriyas, or whether he should not and prefer instead to live by begging. Because if he did not conquer the enemy, begging would be the only means left for his living. There was no certainty of victory, because either side might emerge victorious.\"",
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"content": "\n These are his causes of perplexities, how he was thinking, that has been tried to be explained.\nYes, go on.",
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"content": "\n \"Even if there were victory awaiting them, because their cause was justified, still, if the sons of Dhṛtarāṣṭra should die in battle, it would be very difficult to live in their absence. Under the circumstances that would be another kind of defeat. All these considerations by Arjuna definitely proved that he was not only a great devotee of the Lord but that he was also highly enlightened and had complete control over his mind and senses.\nHis desire to live by begging although he was born in the royal household is another sign of detachment. He was fully in the quality of forbearance as all these qualities combined with his faith in the words of instruction of Śrī Kṛṣṇa, his spiritual master, give evidence.\n\"It is concluded that Arjuna was quite fit for liberation. Unless the senses are controlled, there is no chance of elevation to the platform of knowledge, and without knowledge and devotion there is no chance of liberation. Arjuna was competent in all these attributes over and above his enormous attributes in his material relationships.\"",
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"content": "\n Go on. [coughs]",
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"content": "\n \"Now I am confused about...\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. What is there?",
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"content": "\n \"Now I am confused about duty and have lost all composure because of weakness. In this condition I am asking You to tell me clearly what is best for me. Now I am Your disciple and a soul surrendered unto You. Please instruct me.\" [Bg. 2.7]\n[Now I am confused about my duty and have lost all composure because of weakness. In this condition I am asking You to tell me clearly what is best for me. Now I am Your disciple, and a soul surrendered unto You. Please instruct me.]\nPurport: \"By nature's own way, the complete system of material activities is a source of perplexity for everyone. In every step there is perplexity, and it behooves one therefore to approach a bona fide spiritual master who can give one the proper guidance for executing the purpose of life. All Vedic literatures advise us to approach a bona fide spiritual master to get free from the perplexities of life, which happen without our desire.\nThey appear like a forest fire which takes place without being set by anyone. Similarly, the world situation is such that perplexities of life automatically appear without our wanting such confusion. Nobody wants fire, and yet it takes place and we are perplexed.\n\"The Vedic wisdom therefore advises that in order to solve the perplexities of life and to understand the science of the solution one must approach a spiritual master who is in disciplic succession. A person with a bona fide spiritual master is supposed to know everything. One should not therefore remain in material...\"",
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"content": "\n This is a translation of a Vedic version, ācāryavān puruṣo veda [Chāndogya Upaniṣad].\n[One who follows the disciplic succession of ācāryas knows things as they are.]\nĀcāryavān, one who has ācārya as his guidance, he is supposed to know everything. Ācāryavān puruṣo veda. That is been given there.",
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"content": "\n \"One should not, therefore, remain in material perplexities but should approach such a teacher. This is the purport of this verse. Who is the man in material perplexities? It is he who does not understand the problems of life.\n\"In the Garga Upaniṣad this is described as follows: He is a miserly man who does not solve the problems of life as a human and who thus quits this world like the cats and dogs, without understanding the science of self-realization. He is called a miserly man. This human form of life is the most valuable asset for the living entity, who can utilize it for solving the problems of life. Therefore one who does not utilize this opportunity is a miser.\"",
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"content": "\n As a miser does not properly use his asset... Suppose you have got one million dollar, you keep it only, you do not use it properly or you spoil it, then you are called miser. But if you utilize it properly and gain out of it, then you are intelligent.\nSimilarly, Garga Upaniṣad says, makes distinction, two classes. One class of men he says kṛpaṇa. Kṛpaṇa means miser. And another class of men he says brāhmaṇa, brāhmaṇas.\nSo he classifies, etad viditvāsmāt ya praiti sa brāhmaṇaḥ. This self-realization process... We shall die. It is sure. Every one of us will die. But we should not die like cats and dogs. That is the difference. We may die. We must die. Nobody can escape death. But before death we must know what is self and self-realization. They are brāhmaṇas.\nThose who are trying to understand what he is, what is his relation with God and how he should live, they are called brāhmaṇas. And those who are living like cats and dogs, simply eating, sleeping, mating and dying, so they are dying like cats and dogs.\nSo death is inevitable. That is also advised by Prahlāda Mahārāja in his instruction to his class fellows: kaumāra ācaret prājño dharmān bhāgavatān iha [SB 7.6.1].\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: One who is sufficiently intelligent should use the human form of body from the very beginning of life—in other words, from the tender age of childhood—to practice the activities of devotional service, giving up all other engagements. The human body is most rarely achieved, and although temporary like other bodies, it is meaningful because in human life one can perform devotional service. Even a slight amount of sincere devotional service can give one complete perfection.]\n\"My dear friends, from this beginning of life—we are now five years old—from this life we should try to understand bhāgavata-dharma.\" Bhāgavata-dharma means to understand our relationship with the Supreme Lord. That is called bhāgavata-dharma. Mānuṣam adhruvam. Tad apy adhruvam. Although the life is temporary, but it is very suitable for self-realization. So therefore one should begin this process from childhood.\nJust like modern education system, if children are given some playthings, engineering... I've seen in your country especially; he's given railway line and so many things. He can understand how railway system is working, or engineering, so that from the very beginning of his life he's getting idea and he may catch up some line of activities. Similarly, this Kṛṣṇa conscious education also should be given from the very beginning of life.\nThat is the mistake of the modern civilization. Everyone is becoming engineering, technologist or medical man or so many. But the real problem of life is to understand the self. But there is no educational system throughout the whole world what is the self, what is his need, how it is constituted, how it is working, so many things. In Boston, there was a Massachusetts Technological... You know that?",
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"content": "\n Massachusetts Institute of Technology.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So I explained there that \"Here is a nice technological institute, but where is your this technological department, to understand?\" So the students very much appreciated it.\nFactually, this is the defect. We know—this will be the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā—that there is something which minus, this body is useless. But nobody is trying to understand what is that something. There is no technological institute to understand what is that something. Is it not defective? And still, they are very much proud of advancement of education.\nThe real thing is missing. You have got all departments for comforts of this body, for maintaining this body, but the thing which minus this body, the body is useless, what about that thing? That is Bhagavad-gītā. That is Bhagavad-gītā. Bhagavad-gītā is teaching that technology.\nYou should try to understand this. Bhagavad-gītā is not technology for the external body. Bhagavad-gītā is the technology of the dehī, which is within the body, which is moving the body, which is keeping the body fit. This body is fit, very nice, very beautiful, very attractive. How long? So long the spirit soul is there.\nAs soon as the spirit soul is off, immediately it begins to decompose. There may be a nice, beautiful young girl, everyone is hankering after her, but as soon as the spirit soul is gone, nobody will like to accept it. Immediately it becomes useless. [laughs] Huh? So nobody is very serious what is that thing. That is Bhagavad-gītā.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Is that what age is, then? As the spirit soul is leaving the body, do you become older?",
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"content": "\n No, spirit soul is not old. The body is changing; that is the process. That will be explained,\ndehino 'smin yathā dehe\nkaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā\ntathā dehāntara-prāptir\ndhīras tatra na muhyati\n[Bg. 2.13]\n[As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.]\nSpirit soul is evergreen. The body is changing. That is to be understood. Body is changing. That everyone can understand. Just like in your childhood your body was different. Just like this child, a different body. And when that child will be young girl, that will be a different body. But the spirit soul is there in this body and that body. So this is the proof that spirit soul does not change; the body changed.\nThis is the proof. I am thinking of my childhood. That means I am the same \"I\" which I was existing in my childhood, and I remember in my childhood I was doing this, I did that. But that childhood body is no longer. That is gone. Therefore it is conclusion that my body has changed, but I am the same. Is it not? This is simple truth.\nSo this body will change, still I shall remain. I may enter into another body, that doesn't matter, but I shall remain. Tathā dehāntara-prāptir dhīras tatra na muhyati [Bg. 2.13]. As I am changing my body even in the present circumstances, similarly, the ultimate change does not mean I am dead. I enter into another... That also explained, vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā [Bg. 2.22], that I change.\n[As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, similarly, the soul accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.]\nJust like when I was not sannyāsī, I was dressing like any gentleman. Now I have changed my dress. That does not mean that I have died. No. I have changed my body, that's all. I have changed my dress.\nGo on.\n[aside:] Not now.",
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"content": "\n\"Who is the man in material perplexity...\" Oh, we read that. \"The kṛpaṇas...\"",
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"content": "\nYes. Kṛpaṇas, yes, you were reading there.",
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"content": "\n \"...or miserly persons, waste their time in being overly affectionate for family, society, country, etc., in the material conception of life. One is often attached to family life, to wife and children and other members on the basis of 'skin disease.' The kṛpaṇas think that they are able to protect their family members from death, or the kṛpaṇa thinks that his family or society can save him from death. Such family attachment can be found even in the lower animals, who also take care of children.\n\"Being intelligent, Arjuna could understand that his affection for family members and his wish to protect them from death were the causes of his perplexities. Although he could understand that his duty to fight was awaiting him, still, on account of miserly weakness, he could not discharge the duty.\n\"He is therefore asking Lord Kṛṣṇa, the supreme spiritual master, to make a definite solution. He offers himself to Kṛṣṇa as a disciple. He wants to stop friendly talks. Talks between a master and disciple are serious, and now Arjuna wants to talk very seriously before the recognized spiritual master. Kṛṣṇa is therefore the original...\"",
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"content": "\n Here is a technique. The same Kṛṣṇa and same Arjuna, they are talking as friends. Then what was the necessity of Arjuna accepting Kṛṣṇa as spiritual master? The same Arjuna and same Kṛṣṇa, they'll talk, but what is the necessity of accepting as spiritual master? That means after accepting spiritual master he'll not argue. He'll simply accept whatever He says. That is the technique.\nFriendly talks, equal level, He..., Kṛṣṇa was talking something and he was replying. So that argument has no end. But when he accepts Him as spiritual master, there is no more argument. One has to accept whatever He says. Therefore he's accepting as spiritual master. After this, Arjuna will never say, \"This is wrong, this is, no,\" or \"I don't agree.\" No. He'll accept.\nSo acceptance of spiritual master means to accept anything whatever he says. Therefore one has to select a spiritual master whom he can completely surrender. That is the technique. Veda-vākya. Just like in the Vedic injunction, nobody can deny. Similarly, spiritual master is also representative of Veda. Ācāryavān puruṣo veda [Chāndogya Upaniṣad 6.14.2].\n[One who follows the disciplic succession of ācāryas knows things as they are.]\nSo similarly, it is just like Vedic injunction.\nSo spiritual master has also got the great duty. He has to instruct the disciple in such a way that he may not be misled, and that is not possible, because a spiritual master is he who will simply speak from authoritative sources. He'll speak from Bhagavad-gītā, Bhāgavata, or what was spoken by Nārada, Vyāsa. That is his authority. He does not say, \"In my opinion it is...\" No.\nTherefore it is perfect, it is coming from the disciplic succession, and if one agrees to such instruction, then he's also perfectly advancing. It is not difficult to understand. So he's accepting. \"Now I accept You as my spiritual master. You teach me.\" Is that the statement?\nYes. What is that?",
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"content": "\n \"He offers himself to Kṛṣṇa as a disciple. He wants to stop friendly talks. Kṛṣṇa is therefore the original spiritual master in the science of the Bhagavad-gītā, and Arjuna is the original disciple in understanding the Gītā.\n\"How Arjuna understands the Bhagavad-gītā is stated in the Gītā itself, and yet foolish mundane scholars explain that one need not submit to Kṛṣṇa as a person but to the unborn within Kṛṣṇa. There is no difference between Kṛṣṇa's within and without, and one who has no sense of this understanding is the greatest fool, the greatest pretender.\"\n\"I can find no means to drive away this grief which is drying up my senses. I will not even be able to destroy it if I win an unrivalled kingdom on the earth with sovereignty like the demigods in heaven. [Bg. 2.8]\n[I can find no means to drive away this grief which is drying up my senses. I will not be able to destroy it even if I win an unrivalled kingdom on the earth with sovereignty like that of the demigods in heaven.]\n\"Sañjaya said: Having spoken thus, Arjuna, chastiser of enemies, told Kṛṣṇa, 'Govinda, I shall not fight,' and fell silent. [Bg. 2.9]\n[Sañjaya said: Having spoken thus, Arjuna, chastiser of enemies, told Kṛṣṇa, \"Govinda, I shall not fight,\" and fell silent.]\n\"O descendant of Bharata, at that time Kṛṣṇa, smiling in the midst of both the armies, spoke the following words to the grief-stricken Arjuna.\" [Bg. 2.10]\n[O descendant of Bharata, at that time Kṛṣṇa, smiling, in the midst of both the armies, spoke the following words to the grief-stricken Arjuna.]",
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"content": "\n So Arjuna was so serious, and Kṛṣṇa was smiling. [laughs] \"Just see the fool, what he is doing.\" Therefore there was necessity of instructing Bhagavad-gītā. The fool has to be instructed. Yes. This is the... He was smiling.\nThis is childish. He was very serious, \"Oh.\" Just like sometimes a child is very serious, and the father is smiling. Yes. So now Bhagavad-gītā will be spoken. He has accepted Kṛṣṇa as spiritual master. Now He'll teach. So what does He teach?\nNext?",
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"content": "\n \"The Blessed Lord said: While speaking learned words, you are mourning for what is not worthy of grief. Those who are wise lament neither for the living nor the dead.\" [Bg. 2.11]\n[The Blessed Lord said: While speaking learned words, you are mourning for what is not worthy of grief. Those who are wise lament neither for the living nor the dead.]",
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"content": "\n This is the first version of Kṛṣṇa as teacher.\nWhat is that? Read it again.",
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"content": "\n \"Those who are wise lament neither for the living nor the dead.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Aśocyān anvaśocas tvaṁ prajñā-vādāṁś ca bhāṣase [Bg. 2.11], that \"You are lamenting for a thing which no learned man does. That means you are not learned, but you are talking just like a learned man.\"\nWhat is that? \"You are talking\"?",
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"content": "\n \"While speaking learned words you are...\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. \"You are speaking learned words, but your behavior shows that you are not learned, because you are lamenting on a subject which no learned man laments.\" And politely He says that \"You are not learned, but you are talking just like a learned man.\" That you will find. Dr. Frog, [laughs] speaking like a very great philosopher.\nJust like here, that Dr. Radhakrishnan, that says, \"It is not to Kṛṣṇa but within Kṛṣṇa.\" That fool does not know that there is no within or without of Kṛṣṇa. Rather, Kṛṣṇa is within and without. That he does not know. And he's accepted as a very great, learned man, Dr. Frog, or Dr. Radhakrishnan. You see?\nThis is going on in the world. They are posing themself as very learned, but... This can be detected by devotees: who is learned and who is not learned. Others cannot detect. Others will be misled. The devotees, they have got such eyes to see that they can immediately, I mean, discriminate who is a fool, who is learned.\nThere is a story that one man was searching after the truth. So he met some person, saintly person. So he gave him one feather, that \"You try to see within the feather who is a human being and who is not.\" So when he began to see within the feather, he saw, \"There is no human being.\" Similarly,\najñāna-timirāndhasya\njñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena\ntasmai śrī-gurave namaḥ\n[I was born in the darkest ignorance, and my spiritual master opened my eyes with the torch of knowledge. I offer my respectful obeisances unto him.]\nGuru, or the spiritual master...\n[break] ...means pure devotee.",
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"content": "\n In the āśrama, and before that when you said that a brāhmaṇa is... Do you mean, when you say brāhmaṇa, do you mean... I mean are they..., the devotees who are not pure but...",
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"content": "\n Yes, they're also pure devotees because they're following my instruction. Just like a technician, he is expert, but somebody is assisting him. So the assistants, because they are following the instruction of the expert, therefore their work is also complete. So it is not necessarily that one has to become pure devotee immediately.\nJust like we are also following the instruction of our spiritual master. I don't claim that I am pure devotee or perfect, but my only qualification is that I am trying to follow the instruction of the perfect. Similarly... This is called disciplic succession. Just like here it is stated that Kṛṣṇa is the original spiritual master and Arjuna is the original student.\nSo Arjuna said that sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye yad vadasi keśava [Bg. 10.14]:\n[O Kṛṣṇa, I totally accept as truth all that You have told me. Neither the gods nor demons, O Lord, know Thy personality.]\n\"My dear Kṛṣṇa, whatever You are saying, I accept in toto,\" in the Tenth Chapter. I don't make... Just like Dr. Radhakrishnan says, \"It is not to Kṛṣṇa, it is something else.\" He does not accept in that way. He says that \"Whatever You are saying, I accept it. You are saying that You are the Supreme, I accept it. I don't say that You have got a separate thing within. That is Supreme; You are not Supreme, as person.\" This is impersonalist. They do not know that Kṛṣṇa has no such...\nA conditioned soul... Just like we are, I am different from my soul. \"I am\" means I am my body, or I am soul, different from the body. So Kṛṣṇa has no such differentiation. He does not know that, because he's not following Kṛṣṇa, the perfect spiritual master. He's following some rascal spiritual master. Therefore he has this mistake. But if we follow Arjuna and Kṛṣṇa, then we get the perfect knowledge. May not be cent per cent perfect, but as far as possible, if we follow the instruction as it is, that much perfect. In this way one will get perfection.\nSo one has to follow. The same example, try to understand, that a perfect, expert technologist or technician or mechanic is working, and somebody is working under his instruction. So this somebody, because he is strictly working under the instruction of the expert, he's also expert. He may not be cent per cent expert, but his work is expert. Is that clear? Because he is working under the expert. Do you follow?\nSo if you follow pure devotee, then you are also pure devotee. It may not be one is cent per cent pure, because we are trying to raise ourself from the conditional life. But if we strictly follow the pure devotee, then we are also pure devotee. So far we do, that is pure.\nSo pure devotee does not mean one has to become immediately cent per cent pure. But if he sticks to the principle that \"We'll follow a pure devotee,\" then his actions are... He is as good as a pure devotee. That is a... It is not I am explaining in my own way; it is the explanation of Bhāgavata. Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186].\n[Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu continued, ”’Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated, self-realized person. Consequently, as the śāstras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahājanas advocate.’”]\nWe have to follow the footprints of pure devotees. It is said that tarkaḥ apratiṣṭhaḥ. If you want to become pure by your arguments and logic, that is not possible. I may be defeated by another strong man, who is stronger in argument than me. So this is not the way of becoming purified, tarka, simply arguing.\nTarkaḥ apratiṣṭhaḥ smṛtayo vibhinnāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. Śrutayaḥ, scriptures. Suppose somebody sticks to the scriptures. So scriptures, there are different types of scripture. So they are vibhinna. Vibhinna means different types. So how we can become purified by..., even by following the scriptures?\ntarko 'pratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnā\nnāsāv ṛṣir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam\n[Cc. Madhya 17.186]\nMuni means thoughtful, philosophers. If we follow a particular type of philosopher, that is also not perfect, because I may be under the care of a philosopher, frog philosopher. So that is also not sure.\nTarko 'pratiṣṭhaḥ smṛtayo vibhinnā na cāsāv ṛṣir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam, dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyām. Therefore to become pure or to understand the essence of purity is very confidential. It is not to be acquired by our own efforts, by argument or by being expert in scripture or by becoming a philosopher or a similar way. It is very confidential. Then how? Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Mahābhārata Vana Parva 313.117].\n[Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated self-realized person. Consequently, as the śāstras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahājanas advocate.]\nYou have to follow a pure devotee, acknowledged devotee.\nSimilarly, in the Bhagavad-gītā, if we follow Arjuna, then we understand Bhagavad-gītā as it is. But if we don't follow Arjuna, if we follow somebody, Dr. Frog, or create our own interpretation, then we remain impure. So mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ. We have to follow the footprints of mahājana, great soul. So here is directly you are meeting great soul, Arjuna. He is directly being taught Bhagavad-gītā by the original teacher. Who can be greater authority than Arjuna?\nSo as Arjuna accepts Bhagavad-gīta, if you accept Bhagavad-gītā in that way, then your study of Bhagavad-gītā is perfect. It is very simple. Therefore I'm saying here that Kṛṣṇa is the original teacher, and Arjuna is the original student. So you follow the original student, you understand Bhagavad-gītā, even Kṛṣṇa is not present before you. He is present by His words. This is the way of following what is pure.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Can Kṛṣṇa give us the ability to someday remember every word that you are saying to us now? Because I, myself, I forget so much. I want to hear just how you are talking and I can't.",
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"content": "\n What is that? [chuckles] I don't follow.",
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"content": "\n I want to be able to hear you saying exactly what you're saying now. I want to always be able to hear it, but I forget.",
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"content": "\n Why?",
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"content": "\n My memory is very poor.",
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"content": "\n No. If we try... Memory may be poor. Everything depends on cultivation. If you cultivate something, your memory increases. Everyone becomes expert not in one day, but by cultivation. Similarly, if you try to remember, then your memory will help you to remember. It is not difficult. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, that we have to try to remember Kṛṣṇa. He's so beautiful, His instructions are so nice, if we simply remember Kṛṣṇa...\nThat was the perfection approved by Lord Caitanya. I think I have narrated the story. When Lord Caitanya was traveling in South India in a big temple, Raṅganātha temple, He went to see the Deity, and He saw one brāhmaṇa was reading Bhagavad-gītā. And people were joking him, \"Oh, Mr. brāhmaṇa, how you are reading Bhagavad-gītā?\"\nBecause they were the neighbors, they knew that this brāhmaṇa was illiterate and he was studying Bhagavad-gītā. So they were joking. But the brāhmaṇa did not care them. He was taking the book, and in his own way he was reading.\nCaitanya Mahāprabhu saw this incidence; He came to the brāhmaṇa. So He asked the brāhmaṇa, \"My dear brāhmaṇa, what you are reading?\" So he could understand, \"This persons is not joking with me; He is serious.\" So he explained, \"My dear sir, I am reading Bhagavad-gītā.\nUnfortunately, I am illiterate. I do not know even the alphabets.\" \"Why you are reading Bhagavad-gītā?\" So he said that \"My spiritual master knows that I am illiterate, but still, he has asked me to read Bhagavad-gītā. What can I do? Therefore I have taken this book. I am seeing simply. I do not know how to read.\"\n\"Oh, that's all right. You cannot read. But I see that you are crying. How you are crying if you are not reading?\" \"Yes, I am crying, of course. There is cause.\" \"What is that?\" \"As soon as I take this Bhagavad-gītā, I remember Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is sitting as driver, and Arjuna is hearing. I have heard the story. I know something of the instruction but cannot read.\n\"So as soon as I take this book, this picture comes before me, and I simply think, 'Oh, how Kṛṣṇa is nice that He has become a charioteer of His devotee. He is so great. Still, He has accepted a menial service of His devotee.' This gives me so much pleasure that I cry.\" Caitanya Mahāprabhu embraced him: \"Your Bhagavad-gītā reading is perfect. You have taken the essence.\"\nSo this is the thing. If you simply remember Kṛṣṇa is teaching Arjuna and Arjuna is hearing, if you simply remember the picture, that is sufficient. Even if you think that you cannot read. Because after all, we have to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. We haven't got to become a learned man to argue with another learned man.\nIf it is possible we can do that, but that does not make any difference if I cannot argue with others or if I cannot teach very nicely Bhagavad-gītā to others. Simply if I remember this picture, that is perfection. Because we have to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. We have to simply think of Kṛṣṇa. You think in any way; that is your perfection. Smartavyaḥ satataṁ viṣṇuḥ [Padma Purāṇa].\n[Kṛṣṇa is the origin of Lord Viṣṇu. He should always be remembered and never forgotten at any time. All the rules and prohibitions mentioned in the śāstras should be the servants of these two principles.]\nThis is the injunction. You have to think of Viṣṇu always. This is samādhi; this is meditation; this is yoga siddhi, perfection of yoga. So one who has learned to think of Kṛṣṇa always, he is already on the perfectional stage. Ārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim [Nārada Pañcarātra 1.2.6].\n[If one worships Lord Kṛṣṇa and considers Him the goal of life, then there is no need to execute severe types of austerity. And, if after executing all kinds of tapasya, one cannot reach Kṛṣṇa, then all his tapasya has no value, for without Kṛṣṇa consciousness different types of austerities are wasted labor.]\nIf one has come to this stage, just to understand Kṛṣṇa the great, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and he's surrendered soul, \"Kṛṣṇa, whatever You like You do. I am surrendered....\" This is ārādhana. Then he doesn't require to undergo any austerities or penance. His everything is finished. And nārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim. And if he does not come to this stage, his so-called scholarship, learned argument, this or that—all nonsense, finished. Useless. One has to come to this stage.\nTherefore Lord Caitanya embraced the brāhmaṇa, \"Yes, your study of Bhagavad-gītā is perfect.\" Because one has to come to this stage, thinking of Kṛṣṇa always. So if one does not come to this stage, simply by academic education he says, \"It should be like this. The interpretation should be like this,\" he's simply wasting time. Frog philosopher. One has to come to this stage. Ārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim, nārādhito yadi haris tapasā tataḥ kim. So that is the perfection.\nKṛṣṇa and gopīs... They were cowherds girl. Their father, mother, they were only ordinary village men, keeping cows. That's all. What was their education? They were not Vedāntist. But they learned to love Kṛṣṇa. That was their qualification. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu certifies, ramyad upāsanā vraja-vadhu-vargeṇa va kalpita [Caitanya mañjuṣā]:\n[The Supreme Personality of Godhead, the son of Nanda Mahārāja, is to be worshiped along with His transcendental abode, Vṛndāvana. The most pleasing form of worship for the Lord is that which was performed by the gopīs of Vṛndāvaṇa. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the spotless authority on everything, and pure love of God is the ultimate goal of life for all men. These statements, for which we have the highest regard, are the opinion of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu.]\n\"Oh, there is no better worship than that which was contemplated by the gopīs.\" Because they did not know what is Kṛṣṇa, but they loved Kṛṣṇa. That's all. They loved Kṛṣṇa that because Kṛṣṇa was God or Kṛṣṇa was something great? No. Their natural affection was for Kṛṣṇa. They could not stay even for a moment without seeing Kṛṣṇa. That was their qualification. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nBīrabhadra\n:\n How come a lotus flower is so great?\n He will explain. He will explain.\nSo, one has to come to perfect Kṛṣṇa consciousness some way or other. That is perfection. That is everything. If one always thinks of Kṛṣṇa, then he is perfect. We should not forget. We have presented so many formulas. Why? Not the formulas are important, but the formulas will help me to remember Kṛṣṇa always.\nJust like you are going to sell our magazines. So this magazine selling or taking some contribution is not our business. Our business is that we are spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness, people are hearing about something about Kṛṣṇa. And because we are helping, we are also hearing. We are also benefiting. When you speak somebody about Kṛṣṇa, then I hear also Kṛṣṇa. Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanam [SB 7.5.23].\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: Hearing and chanting about the transcendental holy name, form, qualities, paraphernalia and pastimes of Lord Viṣṇu, remembering them, serving the lotus feet of the Lord, offering the Lord respectful worship with sixteen types of paraphernalia, offering prayers to the Lord, becoming His servant, considering the Lord one's best friend, and surrendering everything unto Him (in other words, serving Him with the body, mind and words)—these nine processes are accepted as pure devotional service. One who has dedicated his life to the service of Kṛṣṇa through these nine methods should be understood to be the most learned person, for he has acquired complete knowledge.]\nThe first preliminary steps, hearing and chanting, is going on. So in this way we shall take all opportunities so that twenty-four hours, whether awakened or sleeping, we shall always think of Kṛṣṇa. That is perfection.\nThis chanting means always remembering Kṛṣṇa—Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma. Cooking, I am cooking for Kṛṣṇa; I am typing for Kṛṣṇa; I am going to preach for Kṛṣṇa; I'm distributing Back to Godhead for Kṛṣṇa. In this way [laughs] always remember Kṛṣṇa, that's all. That will make you perfect.\nYes?\nDevotee\n: Did Kṛṣṇa have children by the gopīs?\n No. Kṛṣṇa's love was not this love, sex love. That was different thing.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n When we're engaged in spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness by your singing or selling Back to Godheads or speaking with people, if through our senses, like seeing or hearing or touching and smelling, our mind gets distracted even while we're engaged in selling Back to Godhead, then how can we always..., how can we always return to that point of remembering even though our senses are being dragged by billboard signs and so many...",
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"content": "\n No, suppose you are selling Back to Godhead. Does it not remind you Kṛṣṇa? Does it not remind you about Kṛṣṇa? What for you are selling Back to Godhead? You could sell another popular magazine which could sell very nicely, quickly, thousands of copies. Why you have taken this Back to Godhead? For Kṛṣṇa. You are not for business.\nYou are not ordinary, I mean to say, newspaper seller. Why you have taken Back to Godhead? Your motive is that people may know about Kṛṣṇa. That is your motive. If magazine selling is your business, you can take any other sense gratificatory magazine. There are so many. And you can sell, you can make some profit.\nSo we have to mold our life in such a way that we shall always remember Kṛṣṇa. Therefore remembering Kṛṣṇa is my primary business. And we have to act in such a way that we may not forget Kṛṣṇa. That should be the principle. That is the secret. Therefore it is equally good for anyone, because we can engage anyone in the business of Kṛṣṇa.\nIf somebody has no, I mean to say, knowledge, he can simply sweep over the floor of Kṛṣṇa's temple. That will make him remembering Kṛṣṇa, that \"I am cleansing the floor of Kṛṣṇa's temple.\" He's as good as the editor of Back to Godhead.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n How does the devotee go about practicing this Kṛṣṇa consciousness when he's asleep?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Just as sleep means your gross senses are stopped, but your mind works; therefore you dream. So if you practice your mind to be engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, in dream also you'll see that you are preparing prasādam, \"I am going to sell Back to Godhead.\" [chuckles] That's all. Sometimes some nights when I feel hungry, I dream that I'm eating kṛṣṇa-prasādam very sumptuous. [laughing]",
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"content": "\n Oh, haribol! [laughing]",
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"content": "\n [laughs] Somebody is supplying me nice paraṭā, and I am eating. [laughs] But, being hungry, oh, my hunger is not satisfied. I'm eating, eating, till the dream is end.\nSo if you practice, this is the technique. We have to practice in this way, that when all functions of this body will be stopped at the time of death, oh, we shall remember, some way or other, Kṛṣṇa. Then successful. Immediately successful. That is the technique. Therefore Kulaśekhara is praying,\nkṛṣṇa tvadīya-pada-paṅkaja-pañjarāntam\nadyaiva viśatu me mānasa-rāja-haṁsaḥ\nprāṇa-prayāṇa-samaye kapha-vāta-pittaiḥ\nkaṇṭhāvarodhana-vidhau smaraṇaṁ kutas te\n[MM 33]\n[O Lord Kṛṣṇa, at this moment let the royal swan of my mind enter the tangled stems of the lotus of Your feet. How will it be possible for me to remember You at the time of death, when my throat will be choked up with mucus, bile, and air?]\nThe devotee, a great devotee, King Kulaśekhara. He has a nice book, Mukunda-mālā-stotra. I began translating, commenting, this line in Vṛndāvana. So in the first verse is he's comparing his mind with the swan. You have seen..., I think you have seen, Jayānanda, when we were walking in Seattle in that park, in a lake the swan were diving near the lotus. You have seen? Yes. That is the practice. The swan takes pleasure where there is, I mean to say, what is called, lotus or lily, lilies. There's a stem. They dive and they entangle their long neck with the... That is their sporting.\nSo Kṛṣṇa's lotus feet, we call, lotus feet. So he says that \"My mind may be entangled with the stem of Your lotus feet just like the swan. Immediately. I can do that now, because I am in healthy state. Otherwise, at the time of death, kapha-vāta-pittaiḥ, when mucus, bile, everything will be disordered, and my throat will be choked up, I will not be able to speak or chant.\nSo why shall I wait for that time? Now I am fit. Let my mind be absorbed with Your thought and let me die immediately.\" That is the technique, that your mind should be always absorbed in Kṛṣṇa thought. So if by Kṛṣṇa's grace, at the time of that last moment of quitting this body, when every function of the body will be disordered we can remember Kṛṣṇa, then our life is successful.\nSo we have to practice this. This, everything, whatever we are doing, it is practicing for the last moment. There is a Bengali proverb, bhajana kara sādhana kara matte janle haya.[?] How you are advancing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that will be tested at the time of your death. The examination will be at that time. So if that technique becomes perfect, then our life is perfect. At once you are transferred to the Kṛṣṇaloka. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya [Bg. 4.9]:\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\n\"My dear Kaunteya, My dear Arjuna, that person, after quitting this body, he never comes back again to this nonsense material world, but he comes to Me.\" That is perfection. People have no knowledge who is transferred, where it is transferred, what is God, what is... No. Nothing of the sort. Simply eat, drink, be merry and enjoy, and die like cats and dogs. That's all.\nSo we have tried to explain all these things in this Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. Try to read it repeatedly and you get all information, all techniques. This life should not be misused. That should be the first point. It should be very properly utilized in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Consciousness is there. Just absorb it in Kṛṣṇa. Consciousness must be absorbed in some thought. Make it Kṛṣṇa thought always.\nMake your program in such a way that you cannot go out of Kṛṣṇa thought. Just like businessmen, they're always thinking, \"What profit is there? What is the bank balance? And how the business is..., how the profit is going?\" They're always thinking of that. Somebody is thinking something. Everyone. If one is after some woman, he's thinking of that woman always. If one is after some man, [s]he's also thinking of that man.\nSo thinking must be there, some subject matter of thinking. That we have to change to Kṛṣṇa thinking, some way or other, transferring the thinking or consciousness to Kṛṣṇa. You do it in whatever way you like, but there are some standard way. If you follow, that will be easier. People have some idea of God; they accept. But simply having some idea of God, one cannot think. But here is a solid God, Kṛṣṇa, with two hands, playing flute, and one can think of Him.\nPremāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti yaṁ śyāmasundaram [Bs. 5.38].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is Śyāmasundara, Kṛṣṇa Himself with inconceivable innumerable attributes, whom the pure devotees see in their heart of hearts with the eye of devotion tinged with the salve of love.]\nThey're thinking of whom? Śyāmasundara. Śyāma, blackish, but very beautiful. Śyāmasundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpam. With transcendental qualities. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi **. \"I am worshiping that Govinda.\" So we have to mold our life. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nChant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances]\nSo you have got another good assistant?",
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"content": "\n Expert.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Now take some contribution and purchase one temple. [laughs] The saṅkīrtana's party's responsibility is increasing. Just find out some person, and give us a temple.",
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"content": "\n I found someone who will give us a big garage, but it's not a temple. A nice man.",
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"content": "\n Never mind garage. Let him begin. We shall sit down there in garage. He's giving for good or...",
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"content": "\n No. He is volunteering. He's a businessman who has started to chant.",
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"content": "\n He's very nice.",
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"content": "\n So let him give us and we shall make our temple there in the garage. Where it is?",
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"content": "\n He says it's nearby here. He said fifty people can come in.",
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"content": "\n Oh, that's all right.",
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"content": "\n He said we should hold kīrtana there now.",
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"content": "\n And immediately.",
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"content": "\n Yes, he's suggested it.",
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"content": "\n So do it immediately. It is Kṛṣṇa's grace. Never mind garage. We shall turn hell into heaven. [laughter]\nnārāyaṇa-parāḥ sarve\nna kutaścana bibhyati\nsvargāpavarga-narakeṣv\napi tulyārtha-darśinaḥ\n[SB 6.17.28]\n[Devotees solely engaged in the devotional service of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Nārāyaṇa, never fear any condition of life. For them the heavenly planets, liberation and the hellish planets are all the same, for such devotees are interested only in the service of the Lord.]\nSvargāpavarga, heaven, or the Brahman effulgence or hell, all these are equal to a devotee. A devotee does not make any distinction, because he has always within his heart Kṛṣṇa. So either he goes to hell or heaven, it doesn't matter. You see? If Kṛṣṇa goes with him, then it is no longer hell. [laughs] Just like īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61].\n[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]\nThe Lord as Supersoul is in everyone's heart, so He's in the heart of the hog or He is in the heart of the worm in the stool. Does it mean Kṛṣṇa is living in the stool? No. Wherever He lives, He lives in Vṛndāvana. That is His inconceivable potency. He can live everywhere, but He does not live there. He lives in Vṛndāvana. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilātma-bhūtaḥ [Bs. 5.37].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, residing in His own realm, Goloka, with Rādhā, resembling His own spiritual figure, the embodiment of the ecstatic potency possessed of the sixty-four artistic activities, in the company of Her confidantes [sakhīs], embodiments of the extensions of Her bodily form, permeated and vitalized by His ever-blissful spiritual rasa.]\nSo it doesn't matter whether it is garage or anything. If somebody is voluntarily offering that, immediately accept that. We shall sit down there, and fifty people can sit, it is sufficient. We can decorate it nicely. Immediately. Near this place?",
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"content": "\n Yes, he says it's nearby here.",
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"content": "\n Very good.",
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"content": "\n He's a very nice man. He started to chant when he came to our other temple, and every day he chants while he goes to work...",
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"content": "\n ...when he's walking the street.",
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"content": "\n So he is devotee.",
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"content": "\n He said he was smoking two and a half packs of cigarettes. Now he only smokes three or four. Soon he will stop.",
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"content": "\n [laughs] You see? How practical. Yes. This is practical. One of my Godbrother, he narrated his life history that he was distilling wine for drinking. And he said that all kinds of intoxicants he has passed. He is graduate of all kinds of intoxication. [laughs] But when he came to Guru Mahārāja, he left everything. He has not even smoking a bīḍī, cigarette. Pāpī tāpī yata chilo, hari-nāme uddhārilo, tāra sākṣī jagāi mādhāi [Hari Hari Bifale].\n[Lord Kṛṣṇa, the son of the King of Vraja, became the son of Śacī, and Balarāma became Nitāi. The holy name delivered all those souls who were lowly and wretched. The two sinners Jagāi and Mādhāi are evidence of this.]\nThe witness is Jagāi and Mādhāi. So you'll accept it.",
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"content": "\n He'll have to call me. He said he would call tomorrow.",
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"content": "\n Well, did he donate it?\n No. We'll have a phone by tomorrow.\n You said he came to the other temple.\n Remember the Indian people came that night? I'll tell you who he is.\n With the twelve-year-old boy?\n No. He came with his wife that night.",
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"content": "\n He's Indian?",
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"content": "\n No. No. There was another Indian people there that night, but he was separately with his wife. We had a kīrtana. That was that very rich man, Indian man who came, and then there was another couple there.",
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"content": "\n I don't think so. But he has a wife, and he says many things have been changing since he chanted. He says he doesn't know whether he should attribute it to the chant, but he's going to keep chanting. And he looks very..., ah, he looks much happier.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. So, chant.\n[89:53]\n[kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances] [end]",
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"content": "\n Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi. Ādi, ādi means “beginning.” Everything has got a beginning. In the Vedānta-sūtra, the Absolute Truth is described as the beginning of everything—substance—and then different categories. So that origin, original source of everything, Absolute Truth, He is puruṣaṁ. Puruṣaṁ means person. He is not imperson.\nGovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ. How the beginning can be impersonal? That is the way; consider. Just like ordinarily everyone's family—you, your father—you are a person, your father is a person, his father is also person, his father is also person. So where you get imperson? If you go on researching, is there any history of any family where the beginning was imperson?\nIs there any history? Any royal family… Of course, ordinary family there is no history; but there are many royal families, there is a history. So in the history suppose one royal family, so is there any instance that the beginning was impersonal? Hmm? What is your answer? Then the beginning of everything, as the Vedānta-sūtra says: What is Absolute Truth? Athāto brahma jijñāsā: now this human form of life is meant for inquiring about the Absolute Truth. Not driving down to animal life, as it is now, it has become a fashion to become animal. Huh? That natural life, people are gliding so low.\nJust like Nārada Muni. He is a great saintly person, and he is never angry, but when he was passing through the way of heavenly planets there he saw that some of the boys of Kuvera, with other girls, they are swimming naked. Nārada Muni happened to be passing through that way. So they were drunkards also. So when Nārada Muni was passing, the girls took care; they immediately covered their body, and..., but the boys, they were so drunkard that they could not take care of their bodies; they remained naked. So such a great saintly person, he became angry—huh?—that “You have lost all your sense; you are naked.”\nAll right, he'll stand as a tree, naked for so many years, cursed. That is yamala-arjuna. You know the story of yamala-arjuna; the picture is there. The saintly curse is also benediction. These yamala-arjunas, these two brothers, they become two trees. Yamala means “twin,” and arjuna tree. So they remain standing there for hundreds of years, but because Nārada Muni cursed them, they had the opportunity to see Kṛṣṇa eye to eye. This is one side, and another side is that to become naked means the trees are naked, the animals are naked—does it mean the human being should be naked? Then what is the advancement of civilization? No. Naked…, to remain naked is animal life. A human being must be well dressed. That is human civilization.\nSo because they are degrading to the animal life, they cannot understand what is the Absolute Truth, what is the beginning. Therefore their brain cannot accommodate all these things, understanding the Absolute Truth. The human society has become so degraded. This life is a chance. Nature, by the evolutionary process, nature gives one chance. But you…, you may come out of the clutches, of her clutches. Nature is…, material energy is catching you very tightly; she does not allow you to go away. But still she gives one chance: the human form of life. In this form of life you can get out from these clutches, from this repetition of birth and life..., birth and death. So now if you like you can get out.\nI do not know whether you have got such practice. In India there are…, there is a bird, he is kept in a cage, and the man sometimes lets the bird come out of the cage. But he walks with the man, and again when he pats he comes within the cage. [makes noise patting his desk with hand] He does not take the opportunity that “Now I have given a little freedom, let me fly away.” No. It comes again to the cage. So similarly, the material nature gives us the opportunity: this human form of life we have got freedom. The freedom is just like an animal in the slaughterhouse.\nIf you can push one animal, all the animals will go. Veriyal-hasa[?]. This is called, Hindi, veriyal-hasa[?]. They have no sense that “This is slaughterhouse, and the first one has entered, so why we should enter?” That is animal. They…, although it is slaughterhouse… Why slaughterhouse?\nIf you kill one animal before another animal, the other animal will think that “I am saved. I am saved. The… That animal is being killed; this man will not kill me.” He is saved. Just like we also think, so many of our relatives or friends are dying, but I am thinking “I shall not die.” This is the most wonderful thing.\nYudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja inquired… Not Yudhiṣṭhira Mahārāja; Dharmarāja inquired from Yudhiṣṭhira, “What is the most wonderful thing in this world?” He replied,\nahany ahani lokāni\ngacchanti yama-mandiram\n[Mahābhārata, Vana-parva 313.116]\n“Every moment thousands of living entities are going in the hands of cruel death,” śeṣāḥ sthāvaram icchanti, “but those who have not died, still they are thinking, ‘I shall not die. I am permanent settlement.’ ” Kim āścaryam ataḥ param: “What is more wonderful than this thing?” Everyone knows that death is sure. But still, he sees his friends dying, his father dying, mother dying, brothers dying, but he is thinking, “Oh, I shall live now very long time.”\nThis is the nature. But another side is that he wants to live, because actually he does not die. By nature he is eternal; therefore he does not like to die, or he remembers his eternity. So we are eternal: na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg. 2.20]. It is described in the Bhagavad-gītā that we do not die.\nEven after the disillusion of this body we change to another body, we accept another body. Just like when you give up old dress, garment, and accept another garment, similarly, according to the price we pay, if we can give good price then we can purchase new dress from a very nice shop. But if we cannot pay nicely, then you have to purchase some second-hand, third-hand dress. Just like we are in practice, similarly, this dress is offered according to the price we pay. Karma.\nIf you act nicely, that you can get a body in a very rich man's family, or you can get a body in the dog's family. That will depend on my work, or the price I pay. This is nature's law. But either I get a king's body in the royal family or I get the body in the dog's family, the process of birth and death is there. It is not that when a king dies he dies very comfortably. No. Neither a dog dies very comfortably. The pangs of death equal to the king or to the dog. But temporarily, sometimes we get the king's body, sometimes a dog's body.\nBut those who are intelligent, they will see the pangs of birth and death, not the king's body, not the dog's body. Disease is disease, not that if the king is diseased he is not suffering. When there is disease, the king will suffer, a dog will suffer. So this is our disease, because naturally we are spirit soul, but somehow or other we have come in contact with the material nature and getting repeatedly different types of body. Therefore our main business is how to get out of this disease, and that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nIf you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then you get out of it. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma, mām eti [Bg. 4.9], Kṛṣṇa says. Janma karma. If you simply try to understand. Kṛṣṇa consciousness means to understand Kṛṣṇa, what is Kṛṣṇa. That is brahma jijñāsā, enquiring about Kṛṣṇa and understanding Kṛṣṇa. And Kṛṣṇa says, “If anyone understands Me, then he gets out of this disease of repeatedly taking birth and death, or changing the body.” That is our main business in the human form of life.\nSo the proposition was the ādi-puruṣa, that we are part and parcel. Just like we have got material father, originally Kṛṣṇa is everyone’s father, all living entities. So if we are person—either cat or dog or man or demigod, it doesn’t matter—but if I am person, how the original father can be imperson? Māyāvādī philosophers, they say that God is imperson. How you can accept that God is imperson? No. God is person.\nPut your arguments how you can say that God is imperson. Huh? Ādi-puruṣaṁ. I am puruṣa; I am a person. Puruṣa means “person.” My father is person, his father is person, his father is person... Go on, if we have history—where do you find that some of your forefather was imperson? How we get this history? Where is the evidence? Therefore the original father, or God, is person.\nGovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ. Ādi, ādi means original. Then if He is a person, how He is God? Because He has no father; that is it. End of father. Ādi-puruṣaṁ. Anādir ādir govindaḥ [Bs 5.1]. Everyone has got father—his father, his father—but when you come to a person who has got no more father, that is God. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ.\nīśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ\nsac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ\nanādir ādir govindaḥ\nsarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam\n[Brahma-saṁhitā 5.1]\nAnādir: He has no ādi; He has no origin. He is the origin. So to find out God, it is not difficult. This is the definition: that if you go on searching—my father, his father, his father, his father, you go on—when you come to a point when no more father, He is everything, that is God.\nIs there any question in this regard? Very simple formula, who is God. But God cannot be imperson. God cannot be imperson. How He can, if He is the father, the original father? So within our experience we find my father, your father, his father—all person. So how the original father can be imperson? Huh? Is there any question? Yes?",
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"content": "\n Material representation. Therefore Kṛṣṇa has called them mūḍhā. [laughter] Mūḍhā means fools, rascals. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā [Bg. 9.11]. This very word has been used. Because they are rascals, less intelligent, no knowledge, therefore they think like that. Mūḍhā, the exact meaning of mūḍhā is “rascal,” “fool.”\nSo according to the definition given in the Bhagavad-gītā, all, everyone who thinks of God as imperson, they are all mūḍhās, rascals and fools. So we haven't got to consult the rascals and fools; we have to consult the greatest learned: Kṛṣṇa. As Kṛṣṇa says, we have to accept; not the rascals and the fools. [end]",
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"content": "\n Because India, the caste system is very strong. So a brāhmaṇa will never accept a girl born in one śūdra family, although in śāstra it says that you can accept. [Sanskrit] family not very respectful. Here family consideration is very... During marriage ceremony, the family consideration is very strong. Now that is dwindling. Formerly, family tradition, then horoscope.\nThe so-called love was not given any importance, the so-called love. As in other countries the boys select wife or girls selection... No. There is no importance on this. The father, mother will see the horoscope, whether this boy and girl will agree according to the horoscope. Rāja-yoga[?] There are some calculations, astronomical calculations, from his birth, from her birth, and the expert astrologer select, \"Yes, this boy and this girl will be happy.\" Then they are married. If there is any discrepancy, they will deny, \"No.\" These were the considerations.\nThen family tradition. What is the tradition of the boy's father's family, mother's family, so many things they calculate, then the marriage settlement, \"Yes.\" And the boy might not have seen the girl. There is no necessity of the boy seeing the girl or the girl seeing the boy. There is no necessity. After marriage, when the marriage ceremony is performed, then the boy and girl can see one another: \"Oh, she is my wife.\" [laughter] \"He is my husband.\" That.\n[aside:] So. You can begin.\nOh, this is another magazine, Earth.",
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"content": "\n It's a new magazine, and this is the second issue out in America. It promised to be a very good magazine, and it hasn't turned out to be so. It's just another slick magazine.",
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"content": "\n Well, unless magazines are reduced to such position, it will not be sold.",
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"content": "\n Yeah.",
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"content": "\nThey want to make business... All these pictures are yours? No.",
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"content": "\n No, just the ones on Kṛṣṇa consciousness...",
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"content": "\n You begin... [break] So who will go to Hong Kong?\n[long silence, then two indistinct replies]",
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"content": "\n Shall we decide now, or shall we wait until tomorrow?\n I met one man from Hong Kong yesterday, Dr. Bali, so Body[?] and he said he'd give us financial help in Hong Kong. I will go to see him this morning. I already told him about getting here.\n To Singapore also?",
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"content": "\n To Singapore also, the same men? The same two men will go to Singapore and Hong Kong. [devotees chant japa for several minutes] Do you think Revatīnandana could go? You said Revatīnandana should go?",
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"content": "\n Yes, he can go. [japa continues] Are you getting some interest with our association?",
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"content": "\n Yes, I am. I feel the effects of chanting very much.",
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"content": "\n And if you have got any doubts, any questions, you can inquire. That is required.",
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"content": "\n I have been asking questions of devotees. It's hard for me to comprehend some of the things in the scriptures. I just don't understand.",
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"content": "\n No, apart from scripture, from your personal understanding you can place questions. People, generally, they have no idea of God. We are placing the factual God. That is very difficult to understand. Generally they think it is an idea, fiction. But we don't think like that. We have got clear conception of God. That is the difference between our Society and all any other religious groups. They have no clear idea of God. They simply say that there is God, God is great, but no clearer.",
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"content": "\n I think a lot of other societies make compromises.",
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"content": "\n Many other societies make compromises. Many other religious groups make compromises in their doctrine.",
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"content": "\n Yes, because they have no clear idea. They cannot push forward their concept. Just like the other... day before yesterday or yesterday the lady, she asked if Kṛṣṇa was a naughty boy. Yes, because He is God He must be naughty boy. Otherwise, wherefrom this idea of naughty boy comes if that quality is not in God? God is the origin of everything, creator of everything. So if He hasn't got this naughtiness in His person, then how this thing comes? That is the Vedānta version, janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1].\nThe Supreme Absolute Truth is that from which or from whom everything emanates. So wherefrom this naughtiness comes if it is not in the person of God? Wherefrom this stealing propensity comes if it is not in God? But because He is absolute, His stealing is also as good as his blessing. Mākhan-cora. Kṛṣṇa was stealing butter, that is worshiped, mākhana, by the very name. Is just like in another temple, Kṣīra-cora-gopīnātha. Gopīnātha is known as condensed milk thief, Kṣīra-cora. He is famous by the name cora, thief.\nBut that cora and this cora, you cannot compare. He is famous as cora, or thief, but thousands of people go every day to worship that cora, that thief. And in the material, if one is known as thief, then thousands of people will beat him with shoes. [laughter] That is the difference. If you say, \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa was a thief, then I can become a thief,\" then your will be beating of shoes on your head, and Kṛṣṇa will be eternally worshiped because He is thief. That is the difference. That is Absolute. He will be worshiped as thief, and He will be worshiped as very honest. That is Absolute. [aside:] No, no, this [indistinct] is not good. Will take little fruit.\nKṛṣṇa is a woman-hunter. That is the highest pastimes of Kṛṣṇa, rāsa-līlā. But here if a man becomes woman-hunter, he will be most abominable person. That is the mistake of the people: they consider Kṛṣṇa as ordinary man. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā [Bg. 9.11]. They are rascals, fools, mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam.\nThis sense has to be learned-Kṛṣṇa, how He is Absolute in all circumstance. Kṛṣṇa is teaching, \"Just go and tell little lie to Droṇācārya.\" Now people will be surprised, how God is teaching somebody that \"You go and tell this lie\"? So they become bewildered. So one has to understand actually what is Kṛṣṇa's position in all circumstances. That requires intelligence.\n[aside:] What is this?",
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"content": "\n No, no. One has to learn how Kṛṣṇa is always God in any circumstance. And if he can understand this philosophy, then Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā he becomes immediately liberated. Janma karma me divyaṁ ye jānāti tattvataḥ. \"My activities, My birth, they are all transcendental. One who understands in truth,\" tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9], \"after leaving this body, he no more comes to this material.\"\nThat means we can be liberated simply by understanding His activities. All the qualities are described in the Nectar of Devotion. He has got sixty-four qualities. Unlimited quality, but for our understanding, Rūpa Gosvāmī only discussed sixty-four. Just see, that lady was speaking that she speaks to thousands and thousands of people. How ignorant she is about God. She was inquiring, \"Kṛṣṇa is not...\" That means she cannot understand Kṛṣṇa. And she is leader, thousands of people she is speaking.\nWhat is the use of her speaking if she has no clear idea? This is going on. Useless speaking. In India also, so many fools, they are accepted as very perfect. Just like Gandhi, take Gandhi. What was Gandhi? In spiritual consciousness, he is nothing. Nothing, no value. But if we say in the public, they will be angry, \"Oh!\" But actually there is no value, no spiritual value. He is known all over the world as a great spiritualist. He was a moralist, that's all. That is not a qualification for understanding God.\nGurudas\n:\n It says, \"Any activities sanctioned in the revealed scriptures and aiming at the satisfaction of the Supreme Personality of Godhead are accepted by saintly teachers as the regulative principles of devotional service. If somebody regularly executes such service unto the Personality of Godhead under the direction of a bona fide spiritual master, then gradually he rises to the platform of serving in pure love of God.\" [pause]\n That nonviolence. Kṛṣṇa is number one violent. [chuckles] Number one. There is no limit of His violence. Just see.",
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"content": "\n Don't you have... In the material world, sometimes you have to stand up for what you think is right and sometimes use violence?",
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"content": "\n Only satisfaction of Kṛṣṇa is right. All wrong. If Kṛṣṇa is satisfied, that is right. Otherwise everything wrong.",
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"content": "\n A man in Surat brought up the question of the British in India.",
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"content": "\n Hm?",
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"content": "\n A man in Surat brought up the question of the British in India, and he felt they should be thrown out.",
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"content": "\n Surat?",
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"content": "\n In Surat.",
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"content": "\n Surat, what happened? One man questioned?",
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"content": "\n A man in Surat brought up the question of whether the British should be removed from India.",
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"content": "\n British? I do not understand. What is his real question?",
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"content": "\n Should the British have been violently thrown out of India?\n But if somebody is stepping on you, then you should take action to remove those people.",
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"content": "\n Yes, our position is how to satisfy Kṛṣṇa, not for personal self. Ordinary world activities. Serving Kṛṣṇa and the result of such service is the same. In the material world, doing something and result of the doing is different. Our means and aim is the same. Just like Kṛṣṇa advises Yudhiṣṭhira to speak lie to Droṇācārya. It is a means.\nThe means is also Kṛṣṇa, and the end is also Kṛṣṇa. That is Absolute. Absolute... We must have clear conception of what is the Absolute. In any circumstances, the quality of the Absolute remains the same. What was the question in Surat?",
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"content": "\n Whether the British should have been forcibly removed from India.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is ordinary duty. If you encroach upon my freedom, I have the right to kill you. That is recommended. Then... clearly said in the śāstras. If anyone sets fire in another's house, if anyone kidnaps his wife, if anyone takes his money—so many list—he is to be killed. There is no question. He can be killed immediately. That action-reaction is going on in the material world, that is a different thing. That is karma-bandha.\nBut in devotion, there is no karma-bandha. As Kṛṣṇa is free from all reaction, similarly Kṛṣṇa's devotee who wants to satisfy Kṛṣṇa only, he is also free from all reaction. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, ācāryaṁ māṁ vijānīyān nāvamanyeta karhicit [SB 11.17.27]. \"The ācārya is as good as I am,\" Kṛṣṇa says. Nāvamanyeta karhicit, \"Never neglect him.\" Na martya-buddhyāsūyeta, \"Never be envious of the ācārya, thinking him as anything of this material world.\" Ācāryaṁ māṁ vijānīyān. Therefore, ācārya's position is as good as Kṛṣṇa. Sākṣād-dharitvena samasta-śāstrair **.\nĀcārya is always cautious that he may not be subject to criticism. But who criticizes ācārya, he becomes immediately offender. Because he is playing the part of ācārya, he plays as far as possible. But sometimes for preaching work, he might have to do something which is not consistent. But if he is criticized, then that man who criticizes, he becomes... Of course, he must be ācārya, not a bogus. Ordinary man cannot transgress the laws, but Kṛṣṇa and His representative, ācārya, might be sometimes seen that he has transgressed. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, ācāryaṁ māṁ vijānīyān [SB 11.17.27].\nVaiṣṇavera kriyā, mudrā vijñeha nā bujhaya. In the Caitanya-caritāmṛta, Vaiṣṇava ācārya, his activities is not understood even by the wisest man. Vaiṣṇavera kriyā, mudrā vijñeha nā bujhaya. Brahmaṇy upaśamāśrayam. Ācārya, guru, he is completely surrendered to Kṛṣṇa. He has taken the shelter of Kṛṣṇa, being completely freed from all material affection. Brahmaṇy upaśamāśrayam. Everything... Everyone has got some material desire to fulfill, but a guru or ācārya has no such business. That is the symptom of ācārya. He has no more any material business.\nBrahmaṇy upaśamāśrayam. He has finished all business of material satisfaction. That is the symptom of ācārya. And śābde pare ca niṣṇātam. And he has taken full bath in the ocean of transcendental [indistinct]. Śābde pare ca niṣṇātaṁ brahmaṇy upaśamāśrayam. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta [SB 11.3.21], one should surrender to such spiritual master. Jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam, when he is actually serious about inquiring the transcendental subject matter.\nOtherwise there is no need of accepting guru or ācārya. He has no business. If one is not interested in the transcendental subject matter... Just as so many people come, they have no interest. Unnecessarily they talk and waste time. As soon as I asked that man that \"If I say something, whether you will accept?\" He said, \"If I like it, then I shall accept.\" Then why come to waste my time to inquire from me?\nTherefore Bhagavad-gītā says, tad viddhi praṇipātena [Bg. 4.34]. When you go to inquire something from a person, you must fully surrender there, or you must find out a person where you can fully surrender. Otherwise, don't put any questions. Your waste of time, his waste of time. Because he will not accept. Suppose if you go to a physician, you are diseased, and the physician says, \"All right, I shall give you medicine.\" And if you say, \"Yes, I shall accept the medicine if I like it,\" then why do you go to that physician? What is the meaning?\nThe physician, one physician doctor friend, long..., forty years ago, he prescribed one of my patent medicines. And the patient little protested because it is Indian-made. He was Eurasian. So as soon as he questioned, \"What is this medicine, Indian-made?\" \"Yes, it is Indian-made. If you have no such faith, don't come to me.\" He flatly said, \"Don't come to me.\" That should be the position of the physician or ācārya. If you go there, you should accept whatever he says.\nIf you are in doubt, then don't go there. That is the position. It is freedom. It is not that you have to accept some ācārya particular by canvassing. No, you should be inspired that \"Yes, here I can surrender, here I can gain something.\" Then surrender. In the spiritual science, there is no bluffing. Everything must be very clear-cut. Otherwise it will be not very satisfactory. [break] Hear this sound, ca-caw caw. [laughter] Because nobody keeps this rooster.",
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"content": "\n Oh, that's chicken? Oh.",
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"content": "\n No, what is...",
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"content": "\n Peacock?",
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"content": "\n Peacock, yes. Yak, yak, like that. That sound he makes.",
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"content": "\n And kīrtana.",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n We can hear kīrtana.",
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"content": "\n Kīrtana and bell in the temple, dong, dong, dong, dong, dong, dong. This sound we will hear early in... [sound of rooster crowing in background]\n In Hawaii, this disturbance is there. Always, ca-caw, caw. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n There's not so much at Advaita Bhavan.",
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"content": "\n Hm?",
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"content": "\n There's not chickens at Advaita Bhavan.",
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"content": "\n No, in neighborhood. In Hawaii, they are very much fond of. Some of them eat dogs also.",
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"content": "\n Yes, the Filipinos eat dogs.",
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"content": "\n Filipino.",
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"content": "\nChinese also sometimes.",
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"content": "\n Dog-eaters.",
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"content": "\nSometimes monkeys also.",
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"content": "\n Monkey?",
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"content": "\n Um hm. Monkey brain. It's very rare, but it's done.",
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"content": "\n Chinese?",
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"content": "\n Chinese.",
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"content": "\n Chinese, they eat everything. [laughter] They eat rats also. Rats, snakes. They are caṇḍālas.",
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"content": "\n They say Chinese are very practical and that they will make use of anything.",
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"content": "\n They eat man also. Yes. There was a case in Calcutta, they were eating man. They will call a hawker, \"Come in, I shall purchase.\" And as soon as he enters, he never comes back. There were two hawkers. So one entered the house and other was waiting. But when he saw that he is not coming, he went to the police, that \"My friend, he went but he is not coming.\" The police inquired and made a search, whole house, there were so many human bones, they're eating. Man-eater. Man-eater, in Africa there are many.",
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"content": "\n They're called cannibals.",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n They're called cannibals.",
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"content": "\n That is also. And they eat white man very... They like white.",
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"content": "\n In pot.",
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"content": "\n They will mislead some white man and... In India also there is this class. In Assam side. They eat man. Man mean, they regularly sacrifice before the Goddess Durgā and eat. Ahiravan[?], Rāvaṇa's brother. The Red Indians, they also eat in America. Do they not?",
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"content": "\n They used to. There are no left anymore.",
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"content": "\n \"Used to\" means who knows what they are doing now.",
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"content": "\n The white men came and killed them.",
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"content": "\n That is another thing, but they kill for eating. That is..., fighting or for taking possession, killing, that is everywhere. That is not extraordinary. But killing for eating a man, that is extraordinary. [chuckles]",
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"content": "\n That's only in Kali-yuga, yes, Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n Only in...",
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"content": "\n No, no, all the yugas. More or less.\n[aside:] So when we shall have to go?",
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"content": "\n I'll just see if the car is here. [break]",
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"content": "\n ... have to take away Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma. The Japanese, they also eat everything? No.",
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"content": "\n Not now.",
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"content": "\nSome of them?",
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"content": "\n In times of war, I think all people...",
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"content": "\n That is another thing, but generally.",
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"content": "\n No, they don't. In China, the island of Taiwan, the original inhabitants, they were known as man-eaters.",
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"content": "\n Man-eaters?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n So this Calcutta story is not a story, it is fact. Hm?",
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"content": "\n I was asking Yamunā about the tape.",
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"content": "\n Tape?",
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"content": "\n About this tape recording.",
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"content": "\n Yes. It is not the question of \"the Chinese are eating, I am not eating.\" It is a question that how many number of different types of body I got. It is not that I am talking of Chinaman eating man or dog. I may be in that form, next life. So, therefore, the problem is how to stop this transmigration of the soul. That is the problem. Not that because the Chinese man eats something else other than I eat, that does not mean that I am very much...\n[break] Therefore, we have to prepare ourself what kind of body we are going to have next. That is human civilization. But they do not believe in the transmigration of the soul. They do not believe in God. They do not believe in anything. Simply just like animals. This life—eating, sleeping, mating—do it to your best capacity. That is Kali-yuga. They have no knowledge, neither they are interested to know. Mandāḥ. And even they become little interested of spiritual..., a hodgepodge, no clear idea. Mandāḥ sumanda matayo [SB 1.1.10]. And unfortunate, harassed in every field of life.\nAnd hy upadrutāḥ. And over and above everything, they are always disturbed by external enemies. This is the position of Kali-yuga. And this life shortened, duration of life. So how they can advance by following the regular Vedic process? It is not possible. Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma [Cc Ādi 17.21]. No car?",
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"content": "\n Not yet come.",
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"content": "\n Uh?",
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"content": "\n He will ring as soon as it comes. He telephoned it is on its way. It should be here any moment. [pause]",
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"content": "\n They are so slow. They do not understand the spiritual value of life, and simply they are satisfied with something hodgepodge, that's all. The entire population of the present-day world. [break] Just like the hippies. There are so many hippies. They want something spiritual, but no clear... Something hodgepodge, that's all.",
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"content": "\n Has this happened before, the material wealth that we have now? Has it happened in past ages?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Technological advancement, scientific?",
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"content": "\n All scientific. As this is winter season, so there will be a summer season. Anyone can say that after two months there will be summer season. Similarly, these ages are also, what is called, changing. So now it is Kali-yuga. After this Kali-yuga, there will be Satya-yuga. Cycle. So everything is happening. When there is winter season, everyone feels cold. So there is no question of asking.\nThe particular type of age and its reaction of the quality of the nature, it will be there. So as there are many Kali-yugas, so it is to be understood that many times these things happened, and many times again will happen. Seasonal flowers, fruits. In the past, there were many times all those flowers and fruits, and in the future also they will appear. What is the difficulty to understand? But if—all these changing circumstances, if you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then your position becomes transcendental.\nYou are no more subjected to all this changing process. So that opportunity is in the human life. It doesn't matter whether he is in the Kali-yuga or Satya-yuga. Because he has got this human form of life, he must be Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then his problem is solved. So you have to preach like this, that we are giving the best human welfare activities to utilize this human form of life.\nhari hari biphale janama goṅāinu, manuṣya-janama pāiyā,\nrādhā-kṛṣṇa nā bhajiyā, jāniyā śuniyā biṣa khāinu\nIf we do not make our..., revive our lost relationship with Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, then this human form of life means knowingly you are drinking poison. This Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura's songs, they are Vedic songs written in plain Bengali language.\nhari hari biphale janama goṅāinu, manuṣya-janama pāiyā,\nrādhā-kṛṣṇa nā bhajiyā, jāniyā śuniyā biṣa khāinu\nPeople are already mad, and the so-called rascal leaders making them more and more mad. That's all. Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās [SB 7.5.31]. So-called scientists, so-called religious leaders, all rascals. If we say that all rascals, we are only intelligent, [laughter] they will not be very happy. But that will be fact, try to understand it.",
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"content": "\n They get very upset.\nPrabhupāda\n: Eh?\n They get very upset.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n They have no conception of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. They just don't understand.",
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"content": "\nOnly intelligent person can understand. If you can understand, then you are intelligent. Are you understanding or not?",
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"content": "\n No. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Then why you are not understanding yet? We have given free scope. What is your reason of not understanding?",
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"content": "\n I think I understand a little bit, gradually.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. Even if you understand little bit, that will give you great benefit. Svalpam apy asya dharmasya trāyate mahato [Bg. 2.40]. If you understand little, that means your door is open. Just like sometimes there is boil. If little mouth is open, that means that is the beginning of oozing out all the pus. It will gradually open, and that is the natural venue. Open and it will be cured. So little understanding is also very good. Then you will understand further. What you have understood now?",
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"content": "\n What have I understood? I understand that the chant has potency, has some meaning for me. And I understand on the basis of what I've done before, on the basis of my experience, what I've seen around me, I've seen that conditions are not good. And I've seen the conditions in Kṛṣṇa consciousness are much better and the feeling is much better.",
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"content": "\n That is very good sign. Yes.",
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"content": "\n So I think it must have some worth. There must be something here.",
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"content": "\n Yes. You can discuss with these boys and girls. Try to understand. Here there is nothing dogmatic. Even something appears to be dogmatic, it is not dogmatic.",
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"content": "\n Even if we have dog's obstinacy, Prabhupāda...",
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"content": "\n Hm?",
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"content": "\n Even if we have dog's obstinacy, if we just associate long enough, then it will act upon you.",
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"content": "\n Yes, if we open our heart, then open-heartedly, then it will be nice. No reservation. And that open-heartedness means free from designation. That is open-heartedness. If I think, \"Oh, I am American. Why shall I take this Indian philosophy?\" Or if I think, \"I am Christian. Why shall I take the philosophy of Bhagavad-gītā?\" then it will not work. One has to be free from these designations. Then it will be easy. I am... God is God, and I am also part and parcel of God, my relationship with God.\nSo let me understand what is that relationship, what is God, what I am. That freedom, that open-heartedness will make it. But if I try to understand as Christian, as Englishman, as Japanese, as Indian, then it will be difficult. Many of our students joined, even initiated, but they could not make them free from these stereotyped ideas. Sarvopādhi vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. One must be free from the... Aiye aiye. So let us go. Take the box. [break]",
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"content": "\n I'll try and please you, but I don't think I can do such a nice job.",
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"content": "\n I have seen the Sai's photo. From his photograph, it appears he has a guru. From his appearance, I can understand. [break]",
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"content": "\n I feel that it is my duty to see that the devotees who are staying at the other temples are respectful and are following your wishes.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Some things that Sai mentioned in that letter that I should answer, he asked about photographs, spiritual photographs.",
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"content": "\n My photograph?",
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"content": "\n Yes, he said something about photographs, that the devotees had photographs of him and he didn't want them to have them if you didn't want them to.",
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"content": "\n Oh, that is not harmful. He can... [break] [end]",
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"content": "\n It is simply troublesome, kleśa. Kleśa means troublesome. Because they cannot concentrate. Avyaktā hi gatir duḥkhaṁ dehavadbhir avāpyate [Bg. 12.5].\n[For those whose minds are attached to the unmanifested, impersonal feature of the Supreme, advancement is very troublesome. To make progrese in that discipline is always difficult for those who are embodied.]\nSo those who have accepted this body, for them, to think of something impersonal is simply artificial. Is simply artificial. Therefore the impersonalists or the void philosopher, their process of so-called yoga is simply troublesome, and may be some profit there, but the ultimate profit they cannot have. It is not possible.\nTherefore in the Bhagavad-gītā it is clearly said that yoginām api sarveṣāṁ [Bg. 6.47]:\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\n\"Of all the yogīs, the one who is thinking of Kṛṣṇa or Viṣṇu...\" Because that is the ultimate goal. One has to come to the point. That point, of course, one has to come ultimately, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante [Bg. 7.19], after many, many births.\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nIt is simply obstinacy. One who does not take to the meditation of God, or they want to meditate in something other, void or impersonal—that is not possible; that is simply troublesome—so simply they are wasting time, because ultimately they have come to this point of personal conception of the Supreme Lord.\nBahūnāṁ janmanām, after many, many births, if they are fortunate enough to meet some real devotee, then he becomes enlightened. And vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19], he then accepts Vasudeva, Kṛṣṇa, as everything. Sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ: \"Such kind of great soul is very rare.\"\nSo here is an opportunity to get directly that post of great soul by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. So it is very scientific. We can present this formula to any person who wants to understand this movement scientifically, philosophically, logically. There is no dearth of all these things in this movement. We are not sentimental at all. Of course, there must be sentiment. Without sentiment, nobody can come to the stage of ecstasy. But that sentiment is transcendental sentiment. This is not ordinary sentiment.\nSentiment, when religion or any faith is devoid of philosophy and logic, then it is material sentiment. And philosophy and logic without understanding of God is simply waste of time, mental...\n[break] So both should be combined—religion plus philosophy. One should understand the principles of religion with philosophy and logic.\nWe are claiming college students, university students, because we are presenting religion on the basis of philosophy and logic. We are not blindly following. We have no dogmatism. We have got reason, philosophy and everything, science. If you want to understand this Kṛṣṇa consciousness on the basis of philosophy, logic and science, we are prepared to present to you. But the ultimate goal is to surrender unto the Supreme.\nSo although you will find some of the students joining us, they are not very great philosopher or great scientist or greatest educationist, but they have accepted the reality, Kṛṣṇa. Therefore they are the highest yogī. They are highest yogī. Just like if somebody is offering one million dollars, one may understand it or may not understand it, what is the value of one million dollars. But if one has got that one million of dollars, then he is rich man undoubtedly.\nSimilarly, the boys and the disciples and the followers of this movement, who are accepting Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Lord, oh, they have already got that millions of dollars. They are richest. They may not understand it, that what is the value of Kṛṣṇa, but because... Just like fire. If you touch knowingly or unknowingly, it is fire, and it will burn your body. Similarly, if Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then one who has taken Him, then he will derive the highest benefit undoubtedly.\nThank you very much. Any questions? [break]",
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"content": "\n ...\"the conqueror of sleep\" is one of his names. How and what relation can develop greater love for Kṛṣṇa through conquering sleep?",
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"content": "\n Sleep?",
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"content": "\n Resting.\n He said Arjuna's another name was Guḍākeśa.",
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"content": "\n Guḍākeśa. Guḍākeśa. Guḍākeśa means one who has conquered sleep. Sleeping means māyā, or darkness. Just like in sleeping you do not know where you are, similarly, a person who is in the darkness... Everyone is, in this material conditional life, everyone is in darkness. He does not know wherefrom he has come, what for he has come, what he has to do and where he is going next. All these questions are darkness for him. So anyone who has conquered over this darkness, he is called guḍākeśa.\nSo Arjuna did it. He knew, by the grace of Kṛṣṇa; therefore his another name is Guḍākeśa. Everyone is in darkness. Ask him, \"What what you were in your past life? What you are going to become in your next life? Why you have come here?\" \"Why you have become American?\" \"Why you have become Indian?\" \"Why you are white?\" \"Why you are black?\" \"Why you are suffering?\" \"Why you are enjoying?\" So many \"whys.\" Ask them. They will not be able to answer. Therefore they are in darkness. So anyone who knows all these things, he is out of darkness.\nSo try to be like Arjuna, to become out of darkness. That is the Vedic injunction. Tamasi mā jyotir gamaḥ [Bṛhad-āraṇyaka Upaniṣad 1.3.28]:\n[Lead me from untruth to truth! Lead me from darkness to light! Lead me from death to immortality.]\n\"Don't remain in darkness. Just try to go to the light.\" This is light. Just like it is very commonsense affair that I, the soul, is eternal. I am changing my body from the very inception in the womb of my mother. And because I am changing this body, therefore I am nowhere? I am gone forever? Ask the greatest scientist. He will say like that. It is a commonsense affair. Just like a child. Because he cannot see the sun at night, he may say, \"Oh, sun is gone, dead and gone.\" But no scientist, no intelligent man will say. \"My dear child, the sun is not gone. The sun is there. I cannot see now.\" That is the fact.\nSimilarly, these foolish persons, because they cannot see the soul and because the body is left there and it is destroyed, he says that there is no soul. Just see how childish and how much darkness is there. It is commonsense affair. How this body...? I am taking this body so important, the body of such-and-such professor, such-and-such scientist, such-and-such philosopher. But as soon as I, the soul, go away, where is the importance? If the body is important, why it becomes nonsense immediately after the departure of the soul?\nTherefore the soul is important. One who does not know the soul, his all activities are defeat. Parābhavas tāvad abodha-jato yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam [SB 5.5.5].\n[As long as one does not inquire about the spiritual values of life, one is defeated and subjected to miseries arising from ignorance. Be it sinful or pious, karma has its resultant actions. If a person is engaged in any kind of karma, his mind is called karmātmaka, colored with fruitive activity. As long as the mind is impure, consciousness is unclear, and as long as one is absorbed in fruitive activity, he has to accept a material body.]\nAnyone who has not inquired about the soul... Because he is born ignorant, born in darkness, he does not know what is soul, what is this body, what is this world. Therefore born in darkness. So if in that darkness and ignorance he is acting so many things, what is the profit? It is simply defeat. So a person who does not inquire into the existence of soul, his real identity, all his so-called improvement is simply waste of time. Śrama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8]. Simply laboring, that's all.\n[The occupational activities a man performs according to his own position are only so much useless labor if they do not provoke attraction for the message of the Personality of Godhead.\nThe whole world is doing that, beating the bush, laboring for nothing. He does not know that how long he will remain. Suppose you are in America. You are now Mr. Ford. You have constructed a very skyscraper building. But how long you shall remain in this skyscraper building? How long you shall remain American or Mr. Ford? Next life, as soon as your body is changed, then you are Mr. Dog or Mr. Cat or Mr. this or Mr. Chinaman, Mr. Indian.\nThat means if, in my next life, I become Mr. Such-and-such instead of Mr. Ford, then all the activities that I have done as Mr. Ford is simply waste of time. That he does not know. This is ignorance. And one who has conquered this ignorance, he is Arjuna. Is it clear?",
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"content": "\n Thank you, Prabhupāda.\n Is Kṛṣṇa consciousness the knowing, or the awareness, of the Absolute?",
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"content": "\n Certainly. Otherwise, why you are laboring so hard? To know yourself, know the Absolute. Three..., five things. Kṛṣṇa consciousness means to know perfectly well five things. What are those? God, living entities, and this material nature, the time factor and the activities. God, the supreme controller.\nHowever you may declare there is no God, there is a supreme controller. That we have to admit. There are so many things that which does not depend on our so-called scientific advancement of knowledge. It depends completely something else. Supreme controller. So that is God. They may call it nature, but they do not know nature, what is nature.\nSo God, and we are living entities. We are godly. We have got the same activity. As God is the creator of the whole universe, we are also creator of some skyscraper building or a city like Montreal or New York. We may do that. But in comparison to the God's creation and my creation, there is no comparison. It is very insignificant. If you go high up on the sky, you will see this globe is just like a point. And there are millions and trillions of globes and planets like this.\nThey are full of all opulences as you find here. So that is God's creation. In comparison to that creation, suppose if you have created a city or a skyscraper building. What is there? That is called living entity, minute; and the Lord: greatest. God is great; you are minute. Understanding of God, understanding of the living entities.\nThen try to understand this material nature. What is this material nature? The material nature is exactly like your body. This body is working so nicely because you, the soul, is present within this body. That is a fact. You do not know how your hairs are growing, how your nails are growing. You are claiming, \"It is my hair; it is my nail,\" but can you explain how it is growing? No.\nSimilarly, the nature's work is going on wonderfully. Just like my... That is... So many things are going on wonderfully due to the presence of the spirit soul. Similarly, all this nature's work is going on so wonderfully due to the presence of God, the Supersoul. This is understanding of the material nature.\nThen God, living entity, material nature, and then time. Time is eternal. There is no past, present and future. It is my calculation, according to... That is relativity. That is the modern scientific proposition by Professor Einstein. Your time and my time... He has also stated that the time factor in the higher planets are different. In the higher planet the time factor—our six months makes their one day. Just like our so many yugas makes twelve hours of Brahmā. So time is according to the different object. But time is eternal. Actually, there is no past, present, future or limitation. This is understanding of time.\nSo God, living entity, material nature, time and the activities. What are these activities? The activities are not eternal; they are temporary. You have got this temporary American body. You are thinking \"American.\" You are busy twenty-four hours as American. I am Indian. Or these boys... The boy's activities are different, the woman's activities are different, man's activities are different, the Russian's activities are different, and American's activities, different. All different activities. So therefore activities are temporary. Temporary, according to the time, according to the atmosphere, according to the body, the activities are...\nJust like the dog, unnecessarily running this side, this side. He thinks that \"I am very busy.\" He is very busy. He is businessman. But you are calling, \"A nonsense dog is running here and there.\" Similarly, all these activities by your motorcar, they may think it is very important, but those who are in the higher status, they are thinking like dog is going this side, that side, this side, that side. So the activities are temporary.\nSo we have to find out our eternal life, our eternal activities, our eternal place and eternal bliss. Those things are explained in the Bhagavad-gītā and further explained in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. And that is, we are moving as Kṛṣṇa consciousness...\n[break] A sane man should take very serious view of this movement, and it should be pushed all over the world. Otherwise you remain in darkness. You never become guḍākeśa. You remain in guḍāka. Never īśa. Guḍāka-īśa, guḍākeśa. Guḍāka means darkness, and īśa means master. So you remain in guḍāka, but not guḍākeśa. So if you want to become guḍākeśa, master of this ignorance, then surrender to Kṛṣṇa. You'll get it.\ndaivī hy eṣā guṇamayī\nmama māyā duratyayā\nmām eva ye prapadante\nmāyām etāṁ taranti te\n[Bg. 7.14]\n[This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.]\n\"It is very difficult to surmount this darkness of ignorance, but anyone who surrenders unto Me, he immediately [indistinct].\"\nSo this is the greatest service to the human society, to get out them from the darkness of ignorance. That is the greatest gift. If you put him into the darkness... Suppose a man is suffering from disease and he is asking, \"Sir, I am very hungry. Give me some food.\" If you give him some rasagullā or some very nice foodstuff, neither he cannot eat, neither he can enjoy. And by supplying such things you are making him more and more diseased. You have to cure the disease, then give him. That's right.\nSo there is no curing process. Simply sense gratification. I want to satisfy my senses, and if somebody talks about my sense gratification, oh, I receive him very nicely. You see? And as soon as one says that \"You are diseased. You cannot satisfy your senses without restriction. Then you will continue your disease,\" \"Oh, this is not good. This doctor is not good.\" This is going on. You want to be cheated; therefore there are..., so many cheaters are coming.\nJust like this Maharishi came. \"Yes, enjoy your senses. Enjoy. Simply pay me thirty-five dollars; I give you some mantra.\" People gave him thousand, millions of dollars, and at the end both of them became dissatisfied. He said, \"It is failure,\" and who were followers, they left him. So what is the use of? Don't try to be cheated. If you want to be cheated, then Kṛṣṇa will send you some cheater. And if you want to be really profited, if you simply think of Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa... [end]",
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"content": "\n\npatraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ\nyo me bhaktyā prayacchati\ntad ahaṁ bhakty-upahṛtam\naśnāmi prayatātmanaḥ\n[Bg 9.26]\n[If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.]\nNow, the Lord Kṛṣṇa says that \"Anyone who offers Me in devotion these four things,\" patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyam, \"a bit of leaf and a bit of flower, a little fruit, a little water...\" So He is pleased to take, accept. Why? Because we are offering Him with devotion and love. That is the only way. Just like if you offer me varieties of foodstuff and very palatable dishes, but if I am not hungry, then all these palatable dishes and varieties of foodstuff is useless. I cannot accept anything.\nSimilarly, if you offer anything to the Supreme Lord, He is full; He does not require your offering. He is always being served by hundreds and thousands of goddess of fortune. Lakṣmī-sahasra-śata-sambhrama-sevyamānam [Bs 5.29].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, the first progenitor who is tending the cows, yielding all desire, in abodes built with spiritual gems, surrounded by millions of purpose trees, always served with great reverence and affection by hundreds of thousands of \nlakṣmīs\n or \ngopīs.]\nWe are, in the material world, we are seeking the favor of goddess of fortune, but in the spiritual world, hundreds and thousands of the goddess of fortunes, they are eagerly trying to serve the Supreme Lord. So He is full. He has nothing to accept from you. But He likes that you should offer Him something.\nJust like a rich father: He does not like any help from the son, but if the son, after he is grown up, he is earning, and if he offers something to the father, oh, he becomes very happy. This is natural. So our connection with the supreme father is like that. He is not in want. He does not require anything from me. But it is for my interest. If I offer something, then I become a very pet son of my father. This is called bhakti. This is devotional service, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And why should we not offer? Then we are ingratitude. Suppose the father is supplying everything, and if I do not offer anything to my father, is it very good business? No.\nSo here the ultimate, even the poorest of the poorest, he can offer these four things. Otherwise if you have got means, oh, you should prepare very nice foodstuff for the Lord. At Vṛndāvana in India there are temples still, they are spending thousands and thousands of rupees for palatable foodstuff, offering to the Deity. And those foodstuff are distributed to the, I mean to say, the devotees. Not only devotees, even nondevotees come and take, because by eating, one shall be devotee. Nobody shall eat... If I ask somebody, \"Please come and hear Bhagavad-gītā,\" oh, he may not agree. But if I offer some palatable dishes, foodstuff, kṛṣṇa-prasāda, oh, everyone will accept. Everyone will accept.\nSo that is one of the process of devotional service, that we should offer very sumptuously to the Lord, and the prasāda should be distributed. The Lord is not taking away to His abode, to His kingdom. It is for you. But if you eat and if you distribute that sort of prasādam to the public, you are doing great service and the public is getting spiritual consciousness, God consciousness. Just establish, just propagate this everywhere. In the hospital, in the charitable societies, in industrial places, everywhere distribute this prasādam and chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa. Just see what is the result.\nYou want peace? These are the process of peace. But we do not take care of this, what is peace. Bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram [Bg 5.29], just we have discussed previously.\n[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]\nWe should simply acknowledge. There is a process of worship of the Ganges. You have perhaps heard the name of the Ganges River. The Ganges River is the sacred river, Ganges and the Yamunā, the most two sacred rivers in India. Millions of people take bath early in the morning in the two rivers, all parts of the country. It is very wide and very long river, from Himalaya to the Bay of Bengal. So it is very long river, and all the tracts of land, they are considered to be sacred place, and in each and every part, thousands and thousands of people, they are taking their bath early in the morning. Either in the winter season or in the summer season, it doesn't matter.\nSo there is a process of worshiping the river Ganges. And what is that? After you take your bath, you stand up to your waist filled up with water and take little water from the Ganges water, and you offer: \"Mother Ganges, I am offering this respect.\" This is the process. Now, suppose you take a handful of water from the Ganges. What is the loss of Ganges water? And if you offer some handful of water in the Ganges, where is the gain? So this patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyam, a bit of flower, a bit of, I mean, a fruit and a bit of leaf, if you offer to the Supreme, do you mean to say He gains something? Or if you take it out of nature's—you are taking so many things—is He in loss? So He has no gain or loss. It is for your interest. When God accepts, He says, \"Yes, I...\" Aśnāmi: \"I eat.\"\nOne Ārya-samājist... You see, in the Hindu society since a very long time, especially since the days of India's disruption of the original culture, so many offshoots they have come out under the name of so many isms. So there is one section who are called Ārya-samājist. Their business is only to criticize all the scriptures. That is their business.\nSo one of the member of the Ārya-samājis, he... They do not favor the temple worship. So he asked me, \"Swāmījī, do you think God eats?\" I said, \"Yes.\" \"Then how do you think?\" \"Because God says, 'I eat.' \" Here is, Kṛṣṇa says, aśnāmi. \"So God says, 'I eat.' Who are you that He does not eat?\" I replied him like that. \"Who are you? You say that God does not eat, but here God says, 'I eat.' So whom shall I believe—a loafer like you, or Kṛṣṇa? [laughter] I am a third person, and you are also a third person, and Kṛṣṇa is recognized the Supreme Personality of God. Whom shall I believe? I am..., I accept that I am the fool number one, but whom shall I accept, you or Kṛṣṇa? You said that... What you are? What is your position? You are an ordinary man. So you say that God does not eat, but God says, 'I eat.' Why shall I not believe?\"\nSo this is the question of faith. This is the question of faith. And without faith, you cannot reach the kingdom of God. Your experimental knowledge, your so-called defective reasons and arguments and philosophy, that will not be applicable in the transcendental field. You have to believe. You are believing in every sphere of your life. When you purchase a ticket for transferring yourself in the aeroplane, if you go on arguing whether..., \"Sir, I am purchasing ticket. Whether this aeroplane will reach? Whether it will not, I mean to say, crash in the way?\" If you go on arguing, there is no question of, I mean to say, getting on the aeroplane. You have to believe that \"Aeroplane will take me to the other side.\" You are doing that. There is no argument.\nSo similarly, you have to believe. We must have faith. And we see that many faithful, great ācāryas and devotees of the Lord, they achieved success by this faith. Why shall I not follow them? Therefore the Vedic literature says that you have to follow the footprints of great ācāryas. Ācārya means great devotees who come to teach the people in general about God consciousness or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He is called ācārya. He behaves in his life how? To think of Kṛṣṇa, and he teaches his students about that. He is called ācārya. Acinoti śāstrāṇi. He knows the purport of the scriptures, and he behaves in his life and he teaches his student in that way. He is called ācārya.\nSo we have to... In the Bhagavad-gītā in the Thirteenth Chapter you have read it that ācāryopāsanam. Ācāryopāsanam. You have to approach an ācārya. That is the way of learning transcendental knowledge in all Vedic scriptures. Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12]:\n[To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.]\n\"If you want to learn that transcendental science, then you have to approach the bona fide spiritual master.\" Tad-vijñānārtham. Tat means that transcendental; vijñāna means science. If you want to learn.\nSo the Vedic literature teaches us to accept the authorized bona fide spiritual master ācārya. Kṛṣṇa is the head of all ācāryas. He is the principal ācārya. From Kṛṣṇa, Brahmā learned this Vedic literature. From Brahmā, Nārada learned this Vedic literature. From Nārada, Vyāsadeva; from Vyāsadeva, Madhvācārya. From Madhvācārya, so many. In this way the paramparā system, the ācārya system, is coming down. So we have to believe that.\nMahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ\n[Cc Madhya 17.186].\n[Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu continued, ”’Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated, self-realized person. Consequently, as the śāstras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahājanas advocate.’]\nYou have to follow the footprints of ācārya. Not only in the... Everywhere, the footprints of ācāryas are followed. Just like in your country you are following the footprints of Lord Jesus Christ. Yes, that is the way. Or any ācārya. Because the ācārya, they come here to teach us about Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness. That is their business. They have no other business. That is bona fide ācārya. If somebody claims that \"I am God,\" then he is fool number one. At once reject him. One who teaches about the message of God, he is ācārya.\nSo the Vedic literature teaches us that tarko 'pratiṣṭhaḥ: \"In the spiritual matter, you cannot argue.\" Your argument will be failure because you may be very good arguer, but I may come, I can cut all your arguments. And somebody else comes—he cuts all my arguments. It is a question of logic. So there are many logical experts. So by arguments we cannot reach the Supreme Truth. Tarko 'pratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnāḥ [Cc Madhya 17.186].\n[Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu continued, ”’Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated, self-realized person. Consequently, as the śāstras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahājanas advocate.’”]\nNot by purchasing books from the market and reading it. No. That also will not help you. Tarko 'pratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnāḥ. If you purchase Bhagavad-gītā, you purchase Bible, you purchase Koran, or... So many, there are, literatures, they are also authorized. That's all right. But you cannot learn them by your own study.\nTad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet\n[Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12].\n[To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.]\nOne must go and learn it from the spiritual master. Exactly you purchase some scientific book, medical science or engineering and study at home, oh, you will never be acknowledged as a medical practitioners. You have to admit yourself into the..., that disciplic succession, medical college. You have to attend lectures. Then, when you pass degree, then you will be admitted.\nSo śrutayo vibhinnāḥ, and nāsāv munir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam. And if you consult different kinds of philosophers, you will be bewildered. But one philosopher is giving one opinion, another philosopher is... Because nāsāv ṛṣir yasya...: \"A philosopher is not philosopher if he does not cut another philosopher.\" That is going on. Nāsāv munir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam, dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyām:\n\"Therefore the purport of spiritual life is very confidential.\" How I can learn? Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc Madhya 17.186]:\n[Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu continued, ”’Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated, self-realized person. Consequently, as the śāstras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahājanas advocate.’]\n\"Therefore we will accept the footprints of those recognized ācāryas.\" Ācāryopāsanam.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is the best and foremost ācārya, and He is accepted as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. In India all, I mean to..., schools of, I mean to say, transcendentalist, the impersonalist and the personalist, all of them, they have accepted Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. There is no doubt about it.\nSo here the Lord says Himself that \"I eat.\" So we cannot say that He does not eat. \"He does not eat\"—in favor of my conclusion, there is no evidence. But here is the evidence, accepted evidence, that God eats. If God eats, then why don't you offer Him to eat? Where is the harm? Huh? What is the harm? If your little fruits and flowers offered to God, He accepts it, why don't you offer it? You want to please so many. You flatter so many bosses by supplying good dishes and so many things, and why don't you try to please God? What is the harm? Is there any loss? You are eating every day, and before eating, if you offer to God, what is the harm there? Why people do not take this formula and see the result? If actually God eats from your hand, oh, how much advanced you become in spiritual life you do not know. He accepts your things from your hand. How much fortunate you are.\nSo here is the... It is clearly said, tad aham aśnāmi. Aśnāmi, the Sanskrit word, means \"I eat.\" \"I eat.\" Why? Bhakty-upahṛtam: \"He has brought with devotional love.\" So you try to love God. You become a lover of God and offer Him whatever you eat, whatever you do. Then see the result, how peaceful you become and how the world becomes peaceful. Simply by theoretical resolution you can make peace in the world? Now resolve, \"We shall not fight.\" Oh, next moment you are fighting. UNESCO resolution is going on for the last twenty years, and where is the peace? That is not the way of peace. Here is the peace. Try to establish your lost relationship with Kṛṣṇa, or God. Then there will be peace.\nNow, Kṛṣṇa says in the next verse,\nyat karoṣi yad aśnāsi\nyaj juhoṣi dadāsi yat\nyat tapasyasi kaunteya\ntat kuruṣva mad-arpaṇam\n[Bg 9.27]\n[O son of Kuntī, all that you do, all that you eat, all that you offer and give away, as well as all austerities that you may perform, should be done as an offering unto Me.]\nNow, every human being, he has got a philanthropic view. Now, the other day I met one gentleman. So I did not know that he is not a family man, because in India we are supposed to accept anyone, any gentleman, as family man. So he said, \"Yes, I am not family man.\" Then what he is doing? He is earning nicely, but he is helping one orphanage. That's nice. He said that \"I have got many sons in this orphanage.\" That is very good. So this natural inclination for loving a orphanage is there. Is there. So this give and take, this inclination, is there in the human being.\nSo Lord says that yat karoṣi... And we have to work. It is not that without working, we can have our body and soul maintained. This is not possible. This material world, we have to work. Everyone is working. Yat karoṣi yad aśnāsi. And we have to eat also. That is a fact. And yaj juhoṣi. And for our salvation or advancement we do something, religious rituals or attending church and temple or mosque. Something there is in human society. And dadāsi yat, and charity. Everyone is more or less charitably disposed, and he makes some charities according to his capacity. Dadāsi yat yat tapasyasi. And everyone accepts some penance, voluntary penance in his life. Yat tapasyasi kaunteya tat kuruṣva mad-arpaṇam.\nNow, Lord Kṛṣṇa says, \"All these activities—your work, your charity, your eating, your penance and your rituals—everything should be done for Me.\" That's all. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Everything should be done for... If you want to work, well, work day and night, but you work for Kṛṣṇa. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If you don't work, if you are simply eating, if your father has got money and you are eating, oh, eat for Kṛṣṇa. What is that? You offer the same to Kṛṣṇa and eat palatable dishes. Kṛṣṇa will not take away your dishes. Simply offer it. Yad aśnāsi. Yaj juhoṣi.\nOh, you are trying to elevate yourself to higher standard of life? Just try to go back to Kṛṣṇa, God, Godhead, and try for that. Accept all kinds of austerities and penances. Yaj juhoṣi dadāsi yat. You are making some charity? All right. Make charity for Kṛṣṇa. \"Well, Kṛṣṇa is God, and He is very rich. Why shall I make charity to Kṛṣṇa?\" No. Kṛṣṇa says, dadāsi: \"Give Me that charity. Give Me that charity.\" Kṛṣṇa is not poor, but you are very proud that you try to make charity with Kṛṣṇa's property.\nI am thinking... I come here for a short duration of life. Say, I am born a hundred years before or fifty years before, and I live here for fifty years and then go away, but I claim, \"This is my property.\" Wherefrom your property comes? Before your birth the property was there, and after your death the property will remain there for thousands and millions of years. Wherefrom you claim your property? You have no property. You are simply a outcomer, a guest.\nSo you should accept that this is Kṛṣṇa's property; this is God's property. You are falsely claiming that it is your property. It is not your property. So when Kṛṣṇa asks you that \"Give Me in charity,\" so that—you are foolishly thinking that it is your money—Kṛṣṇa is just trying to take your money so that your false consciousness may be dispelled. Therefore He is.\nJust like there is a nice story, Bali Mahārāja. Bali Mahārāja, he became a very strong king, and he... Nowadays, as in the modern age, we find a strong government or a strong king, he simply tries to conquer other countries. Formerly they were able to conquer other planets also. They were so powerful. So this Bali Mahārāja became so powerful that he conquered many of the higher planets of the demigods, so he became a disturbing element.\nSo God, as incarnation of Vāmanadeva, He... Bali Mahārāja was also a grandson of a great devotee, Prahlāda Mahārāja. He had that blood of devotional blood. He had some devotion to Lord Kṛṣṇa also. But at the same time he was king. He was conquering life. He was making disturbance like that. So all the demigods prayed to Kṛṣṇa to settle up this thing. So Kṛṣṇa as Vāmanāvatāra, incarnation of Vāmana... Dwarf. Vāmana means dwarf. He went to Bali Mahārāja, and He was brāhmaṇa. So as a brāhmaṇa boy, so He asked some charity, because the kṣatriyas, the kings, are meant for give in charity.\nSo he was very much pleased to see that beautiful dwarf boy: \"Yes, what do You want? I will give You charity.\" But his spiritual master, so-called spiritual master, he could understand that \"This boy is Viṣṇu, God Himself. He has come to cheat this Bali.\" So he asked his disciple, \"Don't promise any charity to Him. Because He is God, He will take your everything. [laughs] Once you agree to offer something, then He will take yourself also.\" God is very intelligent. Once you engage yourself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, there is no way out. You cannot go out. [laughter] You cannot go out. He is so kind. As once you become sincerely a surrendered soul to Kṛṣṇa, then there is no way out. You have to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. You have to continue to be Kṛṣṇa conscious. You cannot do otherwise.\nSo this guru, the so-called guru, he thought, \"Oh, if Kṛṣṇa, the vāmana God, if He takes away everything from my disciple, then how I shall live? I am living at his cost, and if he becomes a beggar, then I also become beggar.\" So he was very cautious. He said, \"Don't promise. Don't promise.\" \"Why? He is a little boy. Let me give Him something.\" \"No, no, He is not little boy. He is God. He is...\" \"Oh! He is God! Oh, then you ask me not to give Him? And you formerly taught me that everything should be given to God. Now God is at my door, and you ask me not to give? Oh, I reject you. I don't want you, a spiritual master like you.\" So any spiritual..., so-called spiritual master who is against God, he should be at once rejected just like Bali Mahārāja.\nSo Bali Mahārāja is one of the mahājana whose footprints we have to follow. He has given tacit example. Anyone who is against God, he should be at once rejected, never mind what he is. Yes. Never mind what he is. He should at once be rejected. This is the example of Bali Mahārāja.\nSo Kṛṣṇa also approached him as a beggar. So here is also... He is... \"All right. You are very powerful king. You have got much wealth. You think that yourself, that you are very much charitably disposed. All right, give Me something.\" So Kṛṣṇa is so kind. Dadāsi yat. If you are in cha..., give for..., charity, charity for Kṛṣṇa, eating for Kṛṣṇa, working for Kṛṣṇa, sacrificing for Kṛṣṇa—everything for Kṛṣṇa—then you become perfect.\nYat karoṣi yad aśnāsi\nyaj juhoṣi dadāsi yat\nyat tapasyasi kaunteya\n[Bg 9.27]\n[O son of Kuntī, all that you do, all that you eat, all that you offer and give away, as well as all austerities that you may perform, should be done as an offering unto Me.]\nTapasya. Tapasya means penance. Now people are... There are great scientists, great philosophers, great thinkers, they are engaged in great penances. They are taking very severe type of pains for discovering something. We have got that tendency. Just like we have discovered this atomic bomb. That required some penance or austerity. But Kṛṣṇa says that \"Don't discover atom bomb, but discover Me. If you are so painstaking, if you are so great scientist, discover Me.\" \"Oh, that is not possible. We can kill. That is possible.\"\nSo this is going on. Yat tapasyasi, kuruṣva mad-arpaṇam. Everything should be done for Kṛṣṇa. That is the greatest civilization. That is the perfection of civilization. That is peaceful civilization, everything for God.\nThank you very much.",
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"content": "\n Yes. There is a verse in Bhagavad-gītā,\nyad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas\nitaras tad anuvartate\nsa yat pramāṇaṁ kurute\nlokas tad anuvartate\n[Bg. 3.21]\n[Whatever action is performed by a great man, common men follow in his footsteps. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues.]\nThe idea is that anything which is, I mean to say, accepted by the leading persons, ordinary persons follow them. Yad yad ācarati śreṣṭha. Śreṣṭh means leading persons; [break] ācarati, acts. Whatever leading persons act, people in general follow them. Sa yat pramāṇaṁ kurute. If the leading person says, \"It is nice. It is all right,\" the others also accept it. So by the grace of God, Kṛṣṇa, you are leaders. Thousands of young men follow you. They like you. So if you give them something actually nice, the face of the world will change.\nSo our this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, it is not a manufactured, new thing. It is, from historical point of view, at least, it is five thousand years old. Because Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means Bhagavad-gītā as it is. And Bhagavad-gītā... Of course, it is supposed to be Indian religious book, but it is not like that. It is not Indian or Hinduism. It is for all the people of the world. Not only for the human being, but also other than human being. Because in the Bhagavad-gītā there is a verse, Kṛṣṇa said, sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya sambhavanti mūrtayo yāḥ [Bg. 14.4]. In all species, all kinds of form...\n[It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kuntī, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father.]\nThe living entities, they are in different forms. Just like we are sitting here, so many ladies, gentlemen, boys. We have got different forms. Similarly, you Europeans, you have got different color, or Indians, we have got different... So this whole world is full of varieties. So Kṛṣṇa says, \"All the varieties of life, it doesn't matter. I am their father.\" Ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā [Bg. 14.4]. Pitā means father. So Kṛṣṇa claims all living entities as His sons. But we may say that \"Kṛṣṇa is Indian,\" \"Kṛṣṇa is Hindu,\" or Kṛṣṇa something. But no. Kṛṣṇa is actually the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement was started by Kṛṣṇa Himself. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. In the Ninth Chapter, last verse, it is said, Kṛṣṇa says, that \"You always think of Me.\" Man-manā bhava. Mana means mind. \"Let your mind be always engaged in Me, Kṛṣṇa.\" Man-manā bhava. \"Just you become mad-bhakta. Just become My devotee.\" Mad-yājī: \"If you want to worship, just worship Me.\" Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru.\n[Always think of Me and become My devotee. Worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend.]\n\"If you offer to..., if you want to offer obeisances, you just offer Me. And if you do like this, then without any doubt you'll come to Me.\"\nSo this is very simple method, always thinking of Kṛṣṇa. There is no loss, but the gain is very great. Suppose if I chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Materially I do not commit any offense or I undergo any loss, but if there is any gain, why not try it? There is no expenditure. [laughs] Everything has got some expenditure. So this mantra, Kṛṣṇa or His later succession, do not sell or distribute. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, everyone. Dance in ecstasy. It is very nice thing.\nSo I have come to your country, come to your place. It is very good. So my request is that you are intelligent boys; try to understand this Kṛṣṇa consciousness philosophy with your all reason, arguments. It will not to be accepted blindly. Caitanya-caritāmṛta-kar, the author of Caitanya-caritāmṛta, he says, caitanyera dayāra kathā karaha vicāra: \"Just put into your judgment the mercy of Lord Caitanya.\" Vicāra karile citte paibe camatkāra: \"And if you scrutinizingly judge over it, you'll find it is sublime.\"\nSo we are putting this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement not as a force, but to the judgment of the people. Let them judge. It is not a sectarian movement, not any religious movement. It is a science. So we put this philosophy to your judgment, and you judge it scrutinizingly with your all intellects, and you'll find it sublime.\nAnd if you find it sublime, then why not put it to the world? You are also anxious to bring some peace in the world. I have read sometimes your statements. You are anxious also. Everyone, every saintly person, should be anxious to bring in peace in the world. But we must know the process. According to Bhagavad-gītā, the idea of peace is... Kṛṣṇa says,\nbhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ\nsarva-loka-maheśvaram\nsuhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ\njñātvā māṁ śantim ṛcchati\n[Bg. 5.29]\n[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]\nPeople can be peaceful by knowing three things. If he perfectly understands only three things, then he'll become peaceful. What is that? Bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ. All the sacrifices, austerities, penances, whatever people are undertaking for perfection, the enjoyer of such activities, Kṛṣṇa says, \"I am.\" \"I am.\"\nJust like your activities. This is also a kind of austerities. Your artistic songs, they have become popular because you have undergone some austerities. You have come to the perfection. That requires penance and austerities. Or any scientific discovery, that requires austerities. So every nice thing presented in the world, that requires austerity. Very devout, painstaking. Then it comes successful. That is called yajña, tapasya.\nSo Kṛṣṇa says, \"The result of the tapasya enjoyer, I am.\" He is claiming. \"The result of your tapasya should come to Me.\" Then you'll be satisfied. Bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram [Bg. 5.29].\n[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]\nPeople are claiming, \"This is my England\" and \"This is my India,\" \"This is my Germany,\" \"This is my China.\" No. Everything belongs to God, Kṛṣṇa. Sarva-loka. Not only on this planet. We have divided this planet in so many states. Actually, this planet was not divided.\nFrom the history of Mahābhārata we understand, this planet, there was only one king, one emperor, in India, Hastinapur. Even up to five thousand years ago, there was only one king, Mahārāja Parīkṣit, one flag. And he came out for touring over his kingdom, and he found somebody near Sindh, a black man killing a cow. And he immediately arrested him: \"Oh, in my kingdom you are killing cow?\"\nSo actually the whole planet was under one flag, one suzerainty. Gradually it has become small, small, small, small, small. Just like in our, very recently, twenty years ago, India became divided, Pakistan and Hindustan. Actually India was one, but we see now it is Pakistan. And some day another \"stan\" will be divided. So this is going on.\nSo sarva-loka, in all planets, all the planets, actually that is God's place. Nobody's place. We come here empty-handed; we go empty-handed. How we can claim? Suppose you have given me this place to stay. I stay for one week, and if I claim, \"Oh, this is my room,\" is that very nice thing? [laughs] There will be immediately some disagreement, trouble. But you have kindly spared this room. I am living here. I can comfortably live, enjoy. And when my necessity... When I go, there is no trouble.\nSimilarly, we come here in the kingdom of God empty-handed; we go empty-handed. Why we trouble that \"This is my property,\" \"This is my country,\" \"This is my world,\" \"This is my planet\"? Why we claim like that? Is it not insanity? Wherefrom the claim comes? So Kṛṣṇa says that sarva-loka-maheśvaram: \"I am the Supreme Lord of every place.\" And suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ [Bg. 5.29]\n[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]\nAnd He is the real friend of every living entity. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61].\n[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]\nAs a friend, He is sitting within your heart. He's so nice friend.\nIn this material world we make friendship, it breaks. Or the friend lives somewhere, and I live somewhere. But He's so nice friend that He's living within, with me and within my heart. He is so nice friend. Sarva-bhūtānāṁ. He's not only selected friends. No. Even the most insignificant creature, He is living there, Paramātmā. So if these three things are understood clearly, then he becomes peaceful. This is peace formula.\nSo everything is there in the Bhagavad-gītā and Vedic literature. Simply one has to learn. Just like in arithmetic, there is all mathematical calculation, addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, this or that, fraction. One has to learn. So Bhagavad-gītā is so nice book, and it is accepted. Not that because we are preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we are advocating for Bhagavad... No.\nIt is accepted by scholarly section, religious section, not only in India, but all over the world. Perhaps you know. In every country there are thousands of Bhagavad-gītā translation, in every language—in English, in French, in German, all languages. And even Muhammadans... Of course, scholarly Muhammadans, they also read very nicely Bhagavad-gītā.\nI know one Muhammadan professor in India; he was a great devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa. He did not disclose that he was a devotee, but he was observing Janmāṣṭamī fasting day, and he was writing one article on Kṛṣṇa every Janmāṣṭamī day. There are many, they read. And in our childhood... Not childhood; we were young man at that time. So one Englishman was a tenant in Calcutta, my friend's house. So he was vacating the house.\nWe went to take possession of that house, and he had many books, and there was a book, Bhagavad-gītā. So that my friend, Mr. Mullik, he was a little astonished, that \"He is Englishman, he's Christian. How is that, he has got Bhagavad-gītā?\" So he was touching that book, and that gentleman thought that \"He is my landlord. He may like that book.\" So he immediately said, \"Oh, Mr. Mullik, I cannot present that book to you. This is my life and soul.\" He said like that.\nSo Bhagavad-gītā is accepted by scholarly section, by philosophers. So I think people should have one scripture, one God, one mantra, and one activity. One God: Kṛṣṇa. One scripture: Bhagavad-gītā. And one mantra: Hare Kṛṣṇa. And one activity: to serve Kṛṣṇa. That's all. There will be peace. There will be actually peace all over the world.\nSo I request you to..., at least to understand this philosophy to your best knowledge. And if you think that is nice, you take up. You are also willing to give something to the world. So you try this. [pause] You have read our books, this Bhagavad-gītā As It Is? No.",
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"content": "\n You have been there?",
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"content": "\n Oh, Rishikesh. Rishikesh is also one of the pilgrimage. And there is similarly Kurukṣetra near Delhi. Still that place is there. And that is a place of pilgrimage from the Vedic time. In the Vedas also it is stated, kuru-kṣetre dharmam yajayet: \"If you want to function in a religious ceremony, just go to Kurukṣetra.\" So it is a place of pilgrimage.\nNow, the name is there. The adjective dharma-kṣetra, it is from Vedic age. Then the Pāṇḍavas and the Kauravas, they are historical persons. The history is there, Mahābhārata. Then where is the question of interpreting Kurukṣetra as \"this body,\" and the Pāṇḍavas and the \"a senses\"? Where do you get this opportunity to interpret? So these things are going on. But we object, \"Why should you interpret in that way and the facts are there?\"\nThat means Bhagavad-gītā is very popular book. One has got his own philosophy—he wants to prove it through Bhagavad-gītā. This is going on. There are so many interpretations, 664. Everyone thinks that \"I can interpret in my own way.\" Why? Why this should be? We say, \"No. You cannot interpret.\" Then what is the authority of Bhagavad-gītā? The author of Bhagavad-gītā did not leave it for being interpreted by a third-class man. He is Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord. He said everything clearly. Why an ordinary man should interpret His word? [break] That is our objection.\nTherefore we present Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. The Macmillan Company wanted to shorten. [chuckling] Because they are merchants, they wanted to minimize. Otherwise, the book was very big. They wanted to make it only four hundred. Therefore half of the ślokas were not nicely explained. But next time we are going to publish in large and revised edition of Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. We must explain everything. [break]\nSo the Bhagavad-gītā is very, very high class philosophy and theology. Social, political, science—everything is there. It is very nice. And everything is clear. It is explained by Kṛṣṇa. So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means to present Bhagavad-gītā as it is. That's all. We have not manufactured anything.",
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"content": "\n [aside:] Come in.\n Hare Kṛṣṇa.\n Hare Kṛṣṇa.\n This is Dan's wife, Jill, who lives here with us too.",
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"content": "\n Oh, very glad to see you. Be happy and make all others happy. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Sarve sukhino bhavantu. That is Vedic idea. Everyone be happy. That is the benediction. Sarve sukhino bhavantu. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says also the same thing, that \"Let this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement be preached in every village, in every town of the world. People will be happy.\" That is His foretelling.\nSo any mission, any high ideas, should be preached just to make everyone happy. Because in the material existence, there is no happiness. That is a fact. There cannot be any happiness. This place is not meant for happiness, because in the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find the Lord Himself says this is a place, duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam [Bg. 8.15].\n[After attaining Me, the great souls, who are yogīs in devotion, never return to this temporary world, which is full of miseries, because they have attained the highest perfection.]\nIt is a place of miseries, this material world. And aśāśvatam: and temporary. Everything is temporary. Even if you accept, \"All right. Whatever miserable is there, I'll accept this,\" that is also has no value. Even if you accept, nature will not allow you to accept it and remain there. Aśāśvatam. You have to leave. [break]\nSo Kṛṣṇa says,\nmām upetya kaunteya\nduḥkhālayam aśāśvatam\nnāpnuvanti mahātmānaḥ\nsaṁsiddhiṁ paramāṁ gatāḥ\n[Bg. 8.15]\n[After attaining Me, the great souls, who are yogīs in devotion, never return to this temporary world, which is full of miseries, because they have attained the highest perfection.]\n\"If somebody comes to Me, then he hasn't got to return back to this miserable condition of life, which is not only miserable but temporary.\" So we should understand that. Nature is so cruel. In America, President Kennedy, he was thought to be the most fortunate man, happy man, young man, was elected president, nice wife, children, honor all over the world—[snaps finger] within a second, finished. Temporary. Now what is his condition? Where he is? If life is eternal, if living entity is eternal, where he has gone? What he is doing? Is he happy or he is distressed? Or he's born in America or China? Nobody can say.\nBut it is a fact that as living entity, he's eternal, he's existing. That is the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā philosophy. Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg. 2.20].\n[For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.]\nAfter destruction of this body the living entity is not destroyed. He is there. That we can understand. Just like in your childhood, you had a small body. That body is no more, but you are existing. So it is natural, when this body will not exist, I will exist in another body. It is not very difficult to understand.\nSo this theory that body is eternal..., soul is eternal and body is temporary, that's a fact. Therefore this life, this present life, is meant for manufacturing the next body. That is Vedic knowledge. We are creating... Just like a boy, he is studying very nicely. So he's creating next body, a very educated young body. By education he can get nice job, nice place, nice position. So he's creating his next body. Similarly, we are creating our next body according to our karma.\nSo Kṛṣṇa says that \"You create a body so that you can come to Me.\" Mad-yājino 'pi yānti mām. The whole Vedic philosophy is that if you want to go to some planet—just like people are trying to go to moon planet—so you have to create a body like that. You cannot go in this body. They're attempting to go with this body. That will be failure. It will be not possible. In every planet the atmosphere, the..., everything is different. So you have to create a different body to go to a particular type of planet. There are millions and thousands of planet. Moon planet is one of them.\nKṛṣṇa says,\nyānti deva-vratā devān\npitṛn yānti pitṛ-vratāḥ\nbhūtejyā yānti bhūtāni\nmad-yājino 'pi yānti mām\n[Bg. 9.25]\n[Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live with Me.]\n[chuckling] Mad-yājino: \"Those who are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they'll come to Me.\" And what is the benefit of going to Kṛṣṇa? He says, mām upetya: \"If anyone comes to Me,\" mam upetya kaunteya duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam [Bg. 8.15]\n[After attaining Me, the great souls, who are yogīs in devotion, never return to this temporary world, which is full of miseries, because they have attained the highest perfection.]\n\"He does not come back again to this miserable condition.\" And aśāśvatam, temporary. Why? Samsiddhim paramam gataḥ. Oh, he has attained the highest perfection, to go back to Kṛṣṇa, mad-yājino 'pi mām, \"one who comes to Me.\"\nSo this is the greatest benediction to the human society, to train them to go back to Kṛṣṇa and dance there with Kṛṣṇa in rasa-līlā. You have seen Kṛṣṇa's rasa-līlā dancing? You have not seen?",
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"content": "\n Which? This picture?\n Rasa-līlā dancing with the gopīs. That's the..., with Rādhā. Dancing with Rādhā. Pictures like that.\n Walls of the temple room?\n Yes, Some of them.",
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"content": "\n So we can go there. Join with Kṛṣṇa and dance happily, without any botheration.",
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"content": "\n Haribol.",
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"content": "\n [laughs] We can have so many connection with Kṛṣṇa—as friend, as servant, as parents, as lover, whatever you like. Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante tāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham [Bg. 4.11].\n[All of them—as they surrender unto Me—I reward accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Pṛthā.]\nYou cultivate that consciousness, how you like Kṛṣṇa. He is prepared to accept you in that capacity. And that makes a solution of all problems. Here, nothing is permanent, nothing is blissful and nothing is full of knowledge. Here... This year we held examination and bhakti-śāstrī, and here is the answer of a girl, Himavati. She has written very nice. I have read it.\nSo we are training these boys and girls to Kṛṣṇa consciousness according to the Kṛṣṇa science. Anyone can take advantage of it. It is a very nice thing. So you also try to understand, and if it is nice, you take it up. You are after something very nice. Is my proposal unreasonable? [chuckles] You are all intelligent boys. Try to understand it.",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n And you have got a very good talent, music. Na vidyā sangīta uttamam. The Vedic mantras were all through music. Sāma Veda. Sāma Veda is full of music.\nyaṁ brahmā-varuṇendra-rudra-marutaḥ stunvanti divyaiḥ stavair\nvedaiḥ sāṅgopada-kramopaniṣadair gāyanti yaṁ sāma-gāḥ\n[SB 12.13.1]\n[Sūta Gosvāmī said: Unto that personality whom Brahmā, Varuṇa, Indra, Rudra and the Maruts praise by chanting transcendental hymns and reciting the Vedas with all their corollaries, pada-kramas and Upaniṣads, to whom the chanters of the Sāma Veda always sing, whom the perfected yogīs see within their minds after fixing themselves in trance and becoming fully absorbed in thoughts of Him, and whose limit can never be found by any demigod or demon—unto that Supreme Personality of Godhead I offer my humble obeisances.]\nSāmagāḥ. Sāmagāḥ means the followers of Sāma Veda. Gayānti. They are always in music. Through musical vibration they are approaching the Supreme. Sāmagāḥ. Gāyanti. Gāyanti means singing. So Vedic mantras are sung. This whole Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, can be sung very nicely. And it is Vedic mantra, chanting. Simply by hearing the vibration, people will be benefited, even they do not understand. You have got that, just this mantra you chant? You just play it.\n[break] Huh?",
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"content": "\n Begin any time.",
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"content": "\n [singing slowly:]\nna te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ\ndurāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ\nandhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās\nte 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ\n[SB 7.5.31]\n[Persons who are strongly entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is to return home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Viṣṇu. As blind men guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, materially attached men led by another materially attached man are bound by the ropes of fruitive labor, which are made of very strong cords, and they continue again and again in materialistic life, suffering the threefold miseries.]\nmatir na kṛṣṇe parataḥ svato vā\nmitho 'bhipadyeta gṛha-vratānām\nmatir na kṛṣṇe parataḥ svato vā\nmitho 'bhipadyeta gṛha-vratānām\nadānta-gobhir viśatāṁ tamisraṁ\npunaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām\n[SB 7.5.30]\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja replied: Because of their uncontrolled senses, persons too addicted to materialistic life make progress toward hellish conditions and repeatedly chew that which has already been chewed. Their inclinations toward Kṛṣṇa are never aroused, either by the instructions of others, by their own efforts, or by a combination of both.]\nadānta-gobhir viśatāṁ tamisraṁ\npunaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām\nna te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ\ndurāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ\nandhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās\nte 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ\n [SB 7.5.31]\nnaiṣāṁ matis tāvad urukramāṅghriṁ\nspṛśaty anarthāpagamo yad-arthaḥ\nnaiṣāṁ matis tāvad urukramāṅghriṁ\nspṛśaty anarthāpagamo yad-arthaḥ\nmahīyasāṁ pāda-rajo 'bhiṣekaṁ\nmahīyasāṁ pāda-rajo 'bhiṣekaṁ\nniṣkiñcanānāṁ na vṛṇīta yāvat\nniṣkiñcanānāṁ na vṛṇīta yāvat\n[SB 7.5.32]\n[Unless they smear upon their bodies the dust of the lotus feet of a Vaiṣṇava completely freed from material contamination, persons very much inclined toward materialistic life cannot be attached to the lotus feet of the Lord, who is glorified for His uncommon activities. Only by becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious and taking shelter at the lotus feet of the Lord in this way can one be freed from material contamination.]\nna te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ\ndurāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ\nandhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās\nte 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ\nna te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ...\n[SB 7.5.31]\n[break] Veda mantra. Sa jñāta na vṛtti. Vedānta-sūtra-śabdat. Simply by transcendental vibration of sound, everything can be achieved.",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n[long pause] What kind of philosophy you are following? May I ask?",
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"content": "\n Following?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n We don't follow anything. We are just living.\n We've done meditation. Or I do my meditation. I have a mantra meditation.",
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"content": "\n This is also mantra.",
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"content": "\n It's not a song, though.\n No, no. It's chanting.\n We got it from Maharishi. A mantra each.",
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"content": "\n His mantra is not public.",
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"content": "\n Not out loud. No.\n No. It's a secret. [laughs]",
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"content": "\n There is a version by Rāmānujācārya. Rāmānujācārya, he was a great ācārya of this Vaiṣṇava sampradāya. His spiritual master gave him mantra: \"My dear boy, you chant this mantra silently. Nobody can hear. It is very...\" So then he asked, \"What is the effect of this mantra?\" He said, \"By chanting this mantra, by meditation, you'll get liberation.\" So he immediately went out, and in a public, big meeting he said that \"You chant this mantra. You'll be all liberated.\" [laughter]\nSo he came back to his spiritual master, and his spiritual master was very angry that \"I told you that you should chant silently.\" He said, \"Yes, I have committed offense. So whatever punishment you like, you can give me. But because you told me that this mantra will liberate, I have given publicly. Let everyone hear and be liberated. Let me go to hell. I don't mind. I have disobeyed your order. Let me go to hell. I am prepared. But by this chanting mantra, if anyone is liberated, let it be publicly distributed.\" His spiritual master embraced him: \"You are greater than me.\" You see?\nSo if a mantra has so power, why it should be secret? It should be distributed. People are suffering. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, \"Chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. Anyone who will hear... Even the birds and beasts will hear and they will be liberated.\" That's all.",
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"content": "\n If Hare Kṛṣṇa is such a strong, powerful mantra, is there any reason to chant anything else? For instance, you talked about songs and many different mantras. But is there any point in even chanting other songs or mantra? [break]",
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"content": "\n No, no. These mantras are also... But Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is specially recommended for this age. And the Vedic mantras, they are also chanted with, I told you, with musical, tampura, and they sit down and chant. Nārada Muni, he's chanting always. So chanting through musical instruments, mantras, it is not new introduction. It is from time immemorial.\nAnd Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, especially in this age, that is recommended in many Vedic literature: Brahmanda Purāṇa, Kali-santaraṇa Upaniṣad, Agni Purāṇa, like that. And apart from the statement in the Vedic literature, Lord Caitanya Himself, He preached this mantra: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa... And people, public, followed Him. Yes. [break]\nSo anything... Just like a scientist, when he discovers something, it becomes a public property. People may take advantage of it. Similarly, if mantra has got potency, all people should take advantage of it. Why it should be secret?",
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"content": "\n All people can get the mantras that we have, but it's just they must get it from somebody else. We can't give it to them, but it is available for everybody.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Mantra, if it is valuable, it is valuable for everybody. Why it should be for a particular person?",
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"content": "\n If all mantras are... All mantras just the name of God. Whether it's a secret mantra or an open mantra, it's all the name of God. So it doesn't really make much difference, does it, which one you sing?",
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"content": "\n No. Just like in drug shop they sell all medicine for disease, curing disease. But still, you have to take doctor's prescription to take a particular type of medicine. They will not supply you. If you go to a drug shop and you say, \"I am diseased. You give me any medicine,\" that is not... He'll ask you, \"Where is your prescription?\" So similarly, in this age, in Kali-yuga age, this mantra, Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, is recommended in the śāstras, and great stalwart—we consider Him the incarnation of Kṛṣṇa, Caitanya Mahāprabhu—He preached this.\nTherefore our principle is everyone should follow. Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186].\n[Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu continued, “’Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated, self-realized person. Consequently, as the śāstras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahājanas advocate.’”]\nWe should follow the footprints of great authorities. That is our business. The Vedic mantra says, tarko 'pratiṣṭhaḥ [Cc. Madhya 25.57, Mahābhārata, Vana-parva 313.117].\n[“’Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated, self-realized person. Consequently, as the śāstras confirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahājanas advocate.’]\nIf you simply try to argue and try to approach the Absolute, it is very difficult, simply by argument and reasoning, because our arguments and reason are limited because our senses are imperfect. [break] So tarko 'pratiṣṭhaḥ śrutayo vibhinnāḥ.\nAnd scriptures, there are different kinds of scriptures. Nāsau munir yasya mataṁ na bhinnam [Cc. Madhya 25.57, Mahābhārata, Vana-parva 313.117]. Philosophers, every philosopher has got a different opinion, and unless a philosopher defeats other philosopher, he cannot become a big philosopher. So therefore philosophical speculation also will not make a solution. Dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyām. So it is very secret. Then how to get that secret thing? Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]: you simply follow great personalities, how they have achieved success.\nSo our this Vaiṣṇava philosophy is to follow the great personality, just like Kṛṣṇa or Caitanya Mahāprabhu or ācāryas of His succession, to take shelter of authority and follow. That is recommended in Vedas, that you follow great authorities. That will take you to the ultimate goal. Mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ.\nSo... Kṛṣṇa also recommends in the Bhagavad-gītā, Fourth Chapter, evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg. 4.2].\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\nThis science of Kṛṣṇa consciousness was understood by disciplic succession, paramparā-prāptam. Imaṁ vivasvavate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam: \"My dear Arjuna, don't think that this Kṛṣṇa consciousness science I am speaking to you is something new. No.\" Imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam: \"It is eternal, and first I spoke to sun-god.\" Vivasvate. Vivasvān manave prāhuḥ: \"And Vivasvān said to his son, Manu.\" Manur ikṣvākave 'bravīt: \"And Manu also transferred this knowledge to his son, Ikṣvāku.\" Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam [Bg. 4.2]: \"In this way, by disciplic succession, it is coming on.\" Sa kāleneha yogo naṣṭaḥ parantapa: \"But in due course of time it is now broken. Therefore I am speaking to you again.\"\nSo a mantra should be captured from the disciplic succession. According to Vedic injunction, sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te nisphala mataḥ [Padma Purāṇa]: \"If the mantra does not come through disciplic succession, then it will not be active.\" Viphala. Mantrās te viphalāḥ. Viphala means \"will not produce result.\" Mantrās te viphalāḥ mataḥ. So mantra has to be received through the channel; then it will act. Mantra cannot be manufactured. Mantra must be from the original Supreme Absolute, coming down through disciplic succession, channel. It has to be captured in that way, and then it will act. Sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te nisphala mataḥ.\nSo according to our Vaiṣṇava sampradāya, the mantra is coming down through four channels. One is coming through Lord Śiva, one is coming through Goddess Lakṣmī. Not one; different... One thing is coming in different channel. One through the channel of Brahmā, one through the channel of Lord Śiva, one through the channel of Lakṣmī and one through the channel of Kumāras. So they are called four sampradāya. So one has to take mantra, either of these four sampradāya. Then that mantra is active, and if we perform that mantra in that way, it will act. Sampradāya-vihīnā ye. And if one does not receive this mantra in either of these sampradāya, channel, then viphala, it will not act; it will not give fruit.",
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"content": "\n If the mantra itself has such power, does it matter where you receive it, where you take it?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. That is a fact. The example is given: just like milk. Milk is nutritious. That's a fact. Everyone knows. But if the milk is touched through the tongue of a serpent, it is no more nutritious; it is poison.",
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"content": "\n Well, milk is material.",
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"content": "\n No, material... You want to understand through your material senses, we have to give...",
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"content": "\n Well, no. I don't have, you don't have to tell me material senses. I mean mantra is not material. It should be something spiritual, and therefore nobody can spoil it, I don't think. I mean, I wonder if anybody can spoil something that is not material.",
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"content": "\n But the thing is that if you don't receive the mantra through the proper channel, it may not be mantra.",
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"content": "\n But how would you know, anyway? How are you able to tell, anyway? I mean, for any of your disciples or us or anybody that goes to any spiritual master, how are we to tell...",
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"content": "\n Not any spiritual master.",
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"content": "\n True master. How are we to tell one from the other?",
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"content": "\n It is not that any spiritual master. Sampradāya. Sampradāya means a particular line of disciplic succession.",
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"content": "\n But, you see, Maharishi said exactly the same thing about his mantras coming from the Vedic, with seemingly as much authority as you, and he was probably right. So how... It's like having too many fruits on a plate, and you can't only eat two of them.",
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"content": "\n No. If mantra is coming down in that way, then it is potency; the potency is there.",
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"content": "\n But Hare Kṛṣṇa is the best one.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Well, if Hare Kṛṣṇa is the best one, what is the reason why we have to bother to even say anything else other than this one?",
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"content": "\n You don't require to bother to say anything else. We say that Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is sufficient for one's perfection.",
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"content": "\n Isn't it... Surely isn't it like flowers? If somebody may prefer roses and somebody may like carnations better... Isn't it really a matter for the devotee, that one person may find Hare Kṛṣṇa is more beneficial to his spiritual progress, and yet somebody else, some other mantra may be more beneficial? Isn't it like just a matter of taste? Like judging a flower. They're all flowers, but some people may like one better than the other.",
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"content": "\n But still, there is distinction. The rose flower is considered better than simply a flower without any flavor.",
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"content": "\n In that case I can't...",
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"content": "\n Just try to understand this flower example.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n It is all right; you are attracted by some flower, I am attracted by some flower, but amongst the flowers there are distinctions. There are many flowers which has no flavor and many flower has flavor.",
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"content": "\n So therefore attraction for any flower is not the solution of the question. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, ye yathā māṁ prapadyante tāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham [Bg. 4.11].\n[All of them—as they surrender unto Me—I reward accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Pṛthā.]\nKṛṣṇa is Supreme Absolute. Anyone wants Him in any way, He also presents Himself in that way. Just like the same example: If you want a yellow flower, never mind whether there is any scent or any flavor or not, so that flower is there. It is for you. That's all. But if anyone wants rose flower, oh, the Kṛṣṇa gives him rose flower. But when you make a comparative study which one is better, then rose will be considered better. [chuckling]\nSo ye yathā māṁ prapadyante. That means the Absolute is realized... Of course, varieties there are, but the original division of the Absolute is three: Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān. Now, Brahman, Paramātmā, Bhagavān is the same Absolute. Different names. The jñānīs, or the empiric philosophers, they reach or they aim at Brahman, impersonal Brahman. The yogīs, they, I mean to say, focus on the Supersoul, Paramātmā. And the devotees, they aim at Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nNow, this Kṛṣṇa and the Supersoul and the impersonal Brahman, they are not different. They are light. They are not darkness. But in the light also, there is difference The example is given: just like sunlight, sun globe and the sun-god. Everywhere you find light. In the sunshine there is light. In sun globe there is light. And what to speak of the predominating deity in the sun-globe? He also must be light; otherwise wherefrom this light comes?\nSo, so far light is concerned, everywhere there. But you cannot say because sunshine has come through your window in your room, you cannot say the sun has come. That will be mistake. Sun is many, many miles away. But so far light is concerned, now there is question of degrees of light, intensity of light. So the degrees of spiritual realization in Brahman, degrees of spiritual realization in Paramātmā and degrees of spiritual realization in the Supreme Personality of Godhead, they are different.",
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"content": "\n But you said about if the milk goes through a serpent's mouth it will produce poison, and, for instance, George just told us about a week ago a very interesting story about a man who had a face of Christ, and in twenty years' time he had a face of Judah. And the Catholic Church and all those churches first probably had good words, and now it's deteriorating. Now, how would you decide, really, that brāhmaṇas are always in a pure state that you speak of, that they would never turn into serpents?",
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"content": "\n That you have to become a serious student.",
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"content": "\n Well, I mean, what do you mean by serious student? Maybe everybody, all of us are serious anyway. I mean, we're born serious or born, you know, unserious.",
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"content": "\n Then you must know what is distinction between Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān, if you are serious student.",
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"content": "\n But does it depend on knowledge? I mean, the final judgment that you make?",
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"content": "\n Everything depends on knowledge. Without knowledge, how can we make progress? Student means to acquire knowledge. Serious student means to acquire knowledge.",
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"content": "\n Yes. You cannot know completely. That is because our knowledge is very imperfect. But still, so far our knowledge is concerned, as far as possible, we should try to understand. Avāṅ mānasa gocaraḥ. This Absolute is so great and unlimited that it is not possible for us to know Him completely. That is not possible. Our senses does not allow. But as far as it is possible...\nBecause, after all, we are part and parcel of the Absolute, so all the qualities of the Absolute are there in us, but it is in minute quantity. So that minute quantity is also very great in comparison to material knowledge. Material knowledge is practically no knowledge. It is covered. But when one is liberated, liberated knowledge is certainly very, very great than material knowledge.\nSo Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān. These are the statements of Bhāgavata. Brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate [SB 1.2.11].\n[Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān.]\nIt is... Śabdyate means sounded as Bhagavān, Paramātmā and Brahman. Now, what are the difference of degrees of knowledge? Brahman knowledge, Paramātmā knowledge and Bhagavān knowledge. The same thing: the knowledge of sunshine, the knowledge of sun globe and the knowledge of this predominating deity in the sun globe.\nSo knowledge of sunshine is not knowledge of the predominating deity of the sun globe. There is another example in this connection. Just like if you see one hill from a long-distant place, first of all you see just like it is a cloud. Then, if you proceed further, you'll see something green. And if you enter into that hill you'll see, oh, there are so many varieties—there are animals, there are men, there are trees. But from the distant, you'll see just like a cloud.\nSo although the same thing... Similarly, Absolute, when visioned from the Brahman point of view, it is just like cloud. Absolute when visioned as Paramātmā, it is just like something green. And Absolute when realized as the Supreme Person, it is just like you enter into the hill and see everything in detail. So although the focus is the same, the Brahmavādī and the Paramātmāvadī and the devotee are..., focus is the same, but due to their respective position the realization is different.\nThese things are very nicely explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. Therefore Bhagavad-gītā you'll see,\nahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo\nmattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate\niti matvā bhajante māṁ\nbudhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ\n[Bg. 10.8]\n[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]\nThat \"I am the source of everything.\" This sarvaṁ means Paramātmā, Brahman, everything. These are clearly stated. Brahmaṇo 'ham pratiṣṭhā. So Brahman knowledge or Paramātmā knowledge is within Kṛṣṇa knowledge. If one has got Kṛṣṇa knowledge, he has got Paramātmā knowledge, Brahman knowledge. He has got the effect of yogic principle, meditation, he has got the effect of empiric philosophical speculation, and he is situated personally in the service of the Lord.\nSo if you make comparative study, then this Kṛṣṇa knowledge includes all knowledge. The Vedas also confirm it, yasmin sarvam evaṁ vijñātam bhavati [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3].\n[If one can understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the controller of all controllers, one can understand everything else.]\nIf you understand the Supreme, then all knowledge becomes automatically revealed. Yasmin vijñāte sarvam evaṁ vijñātam bhavanti. And in the Bhagavad-gītā also it is stated, \"Knowing this, you'll have nothing to know anymore.\" In the Ninth Chapter there is.\nSo first of all we have to seriously study. Therefore I'm asking that to become serious student, what is the difference between Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān? Paramātmā is localized aspect of the Absolute Personality of Godhead. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61].\n[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]\nAnd Brahman is the effulgence of the Absolute. And Parambrahma, or Bhagavān, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is Kṛṣṇa. So if you have full Kṛṣṇa knowledge, then you have got Brahman knowledge and Paramātmā knowledge. But if you have got simply Brahman knowledge or Paramātmā knowledge, you have no Kṛṣṇa knowledge.\nThe same example can be... If you are in the sunshine, then you do not know what is sun globe and the predominating deity in the sun. But if you are by the side of the sun deity, you know what is sun globe and what is sunshine. Therefore impartially it is recommended that one should know the science of the Absolute Truth, or Kṛṣṇa. That will include all other knowledge. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 7.19].\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nThis is also a verse from Bhagavad-gītā. Kṛṣṇa says, \"After many, many births' cultivation of knowledge, when one is actually wise, jñānavān...\" Jñānavān means has attained wisdom. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate: \"He surrenders unto Me.\" Why? Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19]: \"He understands, 'Oh, Vāsudeva, Kṛṣṇa, is everything.' \" Sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ: \"Such great soul is very rare.\"\nAnd in the Tenth Chapter,\nahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo\nmattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate\niti matvā bhajante māṁ\nbudhā bhavā-samanvitāḥ\n[Bg. 10.8]\n[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]\n\"I am the origin. I am the source of everything. Everything emanates from Me. One who knows this science perfectly, he is budhā, he is intelligent, and he becomes engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" And the Vedānta-sūtra also, the first aphorism is athāto brahma jijñāsā: \"Now it is the time for inquiry about the Absolute, Brahman.\" So what is Brahman? The next aphorism is janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]\n[O my Lord, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmājī, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth.]\n\"Brahman, the Absolute, is that from whom everything is coming, emanating.\" That Absolute is personally saying, mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate: \"Everything is emanating from Me.\"\nSo if you study Vedic literature very scrutinizingly, then you come to this conclusion, that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme. Therefore Kṛṣṇa consciousness will include all other knowledge. Just like if you have got million dollar, ten dollar is included, five hundred dollar is included, thousand dollar is included. But one who has got ten dollar or five hundred dollar, he cannot claim that he has got million dollar. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa science means full spiritual knowledge. That is accepted by the ācāryas. And even you are speaking of Maharshi. He has written some book on Bhagavad-gītā?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That's the one we've read.",
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"content": "\n So why he's taking Kṛṣṇa's book as authority? Bhagavad-gītā is Kṛṣṇa's book. Everyone knows. Why he's taking Kṛṣṇa's book?",
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"content": "\n Well, he didn't. He just translated it into English.",
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"content": "\n Why? Unless he has got some respect for that book?",
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"content": "\n But I've also read another, part of another translation by Yogananda, Paramahamsa Yogananda.",
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"content": "\n Everyone will have to take Kṛṣṇa's book first to prove their authority.",
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"content": "\n Vivekananda has taken, Aurobindo has taken, Dr. Radhakrishnan has taken, Mahatma Gandhi... There are thousands and thousands. So why do they take Bhagavad-gītā?",
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"content": "\n So that we can read it in English.",
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"content": "\n No, no. It is not the question of English. It is the question of the thoughts. English it may be or Parsee it may be. That doesn't matter. Why do they take shelter of the thoughts of Bhagavad-gītā unless they accept Bhagavad-gītā as authority? Why they quote from Bhagavad-gītā? So why not directly Bhagavad-gītā? Is Bhagavad-gītā is the authority for everyone, now why not Bhagavad-gita as it is? That is our proposition.",
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"content": "\n But Bhagavad-gītā as it is, is Sanskrit.",
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"content": "\n No, we have made English.",
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"content": "\n Yes, but they all make it English.\n But that must be also a translation, mustn't it? Whoever puts it into English. I mean...",
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"content": "\n So you also read any Bhagavad-gītā translation only. You don't read the original.",
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"content": "\n Well, which is the original?\nIt's the same as the Bible.",
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"content": "\n Original is there. Origin is Sanskrit.",
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"content": "\n It's in Sanskrit, but we don't read Sanskrit.\n Yes, but it's pointless me reading Sanskrit, because I don't understand Sanskrit.",
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"content": "\n Therefore you have to take translation.",
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"content": "\n So then there's all, a hundred translations.\n And interpretations.\n Which is again like all the roses and all the different flowers. It's a matter of taste as to which one. Because everybody claims their version is the best. All the versions I've read, they all say... And sometimes I get something from one which I don't get from something else.\n Did you ever read any without any commentary at all? Just straight?\n Just straight translation?\n Without any commentary.\n Just the Sanskrit, you mean?\n No. Just the translation.\n Well, that's really what they are, you know. They all have a translation. Some of them have a commentary as well, on top of that. But just again, the translations, you know, it depends on who's translating as to what the translation is.\n So obviously you have to go through an authority. Someone who's...\n But how do you know one authority from the other?\n The world is full of authorities, really, you know. [Prabhupāda chuckling]\n There's five hundred authorities, you know, who...\n I found that the best thing for myself is to take a little bit from here and a little bit from there and a little bit from there. [Prabhupāda chuckles]\n I mean, we're not just saying that. We want to ask your advice on that. In other words, what is your answer to that? Your saying there's five hundred versions.",
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"content": "\n Bhagavad-gītā is seven hundred verses.",
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"content": "\n All right, so seven hundred. I don't know. But what I mean is you use the word \"authority,\" saying why would he translate that into English without authority? Now, what is the authority, and who has the authority?",
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"content": "\n Authority is the original text.",
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"content": "\n Yes, but everybody's translating from the original text, I'm sure, you know.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n So what's the difference between one and the other?",
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"content": "\n Therefore we say that sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te viphala mataḥ [Padma Purāṇa].\n[\"If you do not accept mantra initiation from the disciplic succession of the sampradāya, then it will be useless.\"]\nIf we then don't take from the disciplic succession of the authority... Just like Kṛṣṇa. Now, take for example: We have explained this in our introduction, that nobody is authority. Don't care. Kṛṣṇa is authority because Bhagavad-gītā is spoken by Kṛṣṇa. That you cannot deny. Can you deny that?",
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"content": "\n Is Kṛṣṇa translated...",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa is authority. Kṛṣṇa is authority.",
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"content": "\n Yes, all right. Did He translate it into English?",
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"content": "\n Just hear me.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa is authority, you accept?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Is that all right?",
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"content": "\n Then you see what Kṛṣṇa says. That is authority. Why should you hear anyone else? Now, what Kṛṣṇa has said, to understand that, that you have to search out if you are serious student.",
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"content": "\n How do we know if somebody else, Yogananda, Maharshi, and all these different people that have translated it, how are we to tell that their version isn't Kṛṣṇa's word from your version?",
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"content": "\n Therefore I say if you are serious student, then you study Sanskrit, original.",
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"content": "\n Study Sanskrit? Oh, now you're talking.\n But Vivekananda said that books and rituals and dogmas and temples are secondary details, anyway. He said they're not the most important thing, anyway. You don't have to read the book in order to have the perception.",
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"content": "\n Then why Vivekananda wrote so many books? [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Well, it's the same as in the Gītā.",
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"content": "\n No, no. He said there is no use of books. Then why he wrote so many books?",
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"content": "\n But in Rishikesh, when we meditated for a long time, one man got tired of meditation, and he thought... He made the excuse to read the Gītā so he could come out of meditation, and he opened the Gītā and it said, \"Don't read books. Meditate.\"",
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"content": "\n Who says?",
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"content": "\n The Gītā said.",
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"content": "\n \"Don't read books\"?",
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"content": "\n It said, \"Don't read books. Meditate.\"",
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"content": "\n Where?",
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"content": "\n No, but you see, you...",
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"content": "\n He said, brahma-sūtra-padaiś caiva hetumadbhir viniścitaiḥ [Bg. 13.5].\n[That knowledge of the field of activities and of the knower of activities is described by various sages in various Vedic writings-especially in the Vedānta-sūtra-and is presented with all reasoning as to cause and effect.]\nHe refers that \"This scientific knowledge, the Absolute Truth, is explained very nicely in Brahma-sūtra, Vedānta-sūtra.\" He refers to the book. Another place Kṛṣṇa says,\nyaḥ śāstra-vidhim utsṛjya\nvartate kāma-kārataḥ\nna sa siddhim avāpnoti\nna sukhaṁ na parāṁ gatim\n[Bg. 16.23]\n[But he who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination.]\n\"Anyone who does not follow the scriptural injunction, his attempt will be failure. He'll never be happy. And what to speak of being promoted to the spiritual world?\" These things are there. How you can say Kṛṣṇa has not recommended to read books?",
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"content": "\n Then, in that sense, you see, for instance... I see the same pattern in what you have said. For instance, you said that Hare Kṛṣṇa is the most superpowerful word, and if that is true, then why do you bother to utter any other words? I mean, is it necessary? And why do you encourage us, saying that we're songwriters and all...",
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"content": "\n ...to write any song but Hare Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is cleansing process.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n So actually one who chants Hare Kṛṣṇa regularly, he hasn't got to do anything. Actually it is the position. He doesn't require to read any book.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Then why do you say that it's all right and all that? I mean is it a compromise, or what?",
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"content": "\n What is that?",
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"content": "\n I mean the fact that we are doing songwriting and all that. It's a waste of time, isn't it? Without Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n No, not waste of time. Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Caitanya Mahāprabhu was chanting, simply. Even He was criticized by great sannyāsīs that \"You have taken sannyāsa. You do not read Vedānta. You are simply chanting and dancing.\" He was criticized. But the thing is, when Caitanya Mahāprabhu met such stalwart scholars, He was not lagging behind.\nSimilarly, Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is sufficient. There is no doubt about it. But if somebody wants to understand this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra through philosophy, through study, through Vedānta, we are not lacking. We have got books. It is not that Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is insufficient, therefore we are recommending books. No. Not like that. Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is sufficient. But...\nJust like Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He was chanting, but when there was a Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī, when there was a Sarvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya, oh, He was ready to argue with him with Vedānta. So we should not be dumb. If somebody comes to argue with Vedānta philosophy, then we must be prepared. When we are preaching, there will be so many people, different types of people will come. Otherwise Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is sufficient. Sufficient. It does not require any education, any reading, anything. Simply chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa and you get the highest perfection. That's a fact.",
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"content": "\n You were saying earlier that we can also supplement our Kṛṣṇa consciousness while we're working, hammering the nails.",
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"content": "\n So chanting along with devotional service, performing our duties while concentrating on Kṛṣṇa, is also part of the process, isn't it?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Anything, any way. The whole idea is manāḥ kṛṣṇe niveṣayet [SB 7.1.32].\n[Somehow or other, one must consider the form of Kṛṣṇa very seriously. Then, by one of the five different processes mentioned above, one can return home, back to Godhead. Atheists like King Vena, however, being unable to think of Kṛṣṇa's form in any of these five ways, cannot attain salvation. Therefore, one must somehow think of Kṛṣṇa, whether in a friendly way or inimically.]\nMind should be fixed up in Kṛṣṇa. That is the process. Either you go through philosophy or through arguments or through chanting. Any way. That is recommended in the Bhagavad-gītā. Yoginām api sarveṣāṁ [Bg. 6.47].\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nOf all kinds of yogīs. In the... You might have read it. Yoginām api sarveṣāṁ. I think Maharshi has translated this Bhagavad-gītā? And in the Sixth Chapter...? You have read it?",
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"content": "\n Oh, his translation of Gītā?",
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"content": "\n Sixth Chapters, he's asking.\n Yes. I haven't read all of it. Part of it.",
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"content": "\n So in the Sixth Chapter, last verse, you'll find yoginām api sarveṣāṁ mad-gatena...\n[aside:] You have got our Bhagavad-gītā As It Is here? No? How is that, you don't keep Bhagavad-gītā?\nYou'll find it is clearly stated that all yogīs, the one yogī whose mind is fixed up in Kṛṣṇa, he is first-class yogī. Yoginam api sarveṣāṁ. Sarveṣāṁ, \"of all yogīs.\" There are different kinds of yogīs. So yoginām api sarveṣāṁ mad-gata: \"One whose mind is fixed up in Me,\" or Kṛṣṇa, āntarātmanā, \"within the heart,\" śraddhāvān, \"and is devotee,\" and bhajate, \"and serves Me, oh,\" sa me yuktatamo mataḥ, \"he is the first-class yogī.\" Tama. Tama means most, supermost. Yuktatamo: yogī, better yogī and the supermost yogī.",
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"content": "\n Whose is that little purple paperback Gītā that we all have? A light grey purple?\n That's the one.\n Oh, that's the one? I've got that in the office. There's another one by that guy, that Spanish guy? [indistinct]\n One thing that Prabhupāda was explaining, I think, that didn't quite get cleared up was how do we discern which translation of the Gītā is most authoritative. Well, he answered when he said that Kṛṣṇa is the authority. So we have to take it in a channel from Kṛṣṇa, and there are only four lines of disciplic succession that come from Kṛṣṇa. And of these, only one is existing now. Or is it two?\n What do you mean by \"channel\"? Is it through hereditary or what?\n Lines of disciplic succession. Yes, it's hereditary. Swāmījī's spiritual master...",
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"content": "\n Just like channel you'll understand very easily. You send some money order to your friend. So from which channel he'll receive? He'll receive through the post office, not through any other channel. So if the postal peon delivers it, you are confident, \"Yes, the money has come.\" So why you give the importance to the postal peon? Because he's representative of the post office. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa is the original authority.\nSo the Kṛṣṇa's representative is the authority. And who is Kṛṣṇa's representative? Who is a devotee of Kṛṣṇa. So therefore the devotee of Kṛṣṇa is authority, at least of Bhagavad-gītā. So you have to receive through the devotee of Kṛṣṇa about Bhagavad-gītā. One who does not know about anything about Kṛṣṇa, how he can preach Bhagavad-gītā? This is common sense.",
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"content": "\n Will you excuse me? I must put my baby to bed. Good night.",
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"content": "\n [chuckles] Take some prasādam. Give him [her] some.",
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"content": "\n Oh, thank you.\n Well, who says who's in the line of descent? You know, I mean, it's just like royalty. Who's who? Who's claiming... [all talk at once]\n That's what I was talking about.\n I mean Yogananda claims...\n His guru's, guru's, guru's...\n All his guru's, guru's, guru's, gurus, like that. Maharshi claimed all his guru's guru's gurus went back. I mean, how are we to know? I mean, it's a matter of just deciding, you know.",
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"content": "\n But Maharshi does not say anything about Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Doesn't he?\nNo, his guru is the Śaṅkarācārya, which is Śaṅkara's teaching.\n But they all talk about God, and Kṛṣṇa's just a name for God, isn't it?",
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"content": "\n Anyway, whatever he may be, he does not go up to Kṛṣṇa. [chuckles]",
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"content": "\n ...personality, anyway, of...\n Well, that's what he used to say in exactly the same way, about anybody else.",
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"content": "\n No, no. He cannot be, because he does not speak about anything Kṛṣṇa. A peon comes, he does not know anything about post office—what kind of peon he is?",
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"content": "\n No, but his post office... He was talking about his post office.",
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"content": "\n No, you cannot create post office. Post office one: government post office.",
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"content": "\n Yes, of course. I'm sure there's only one post office.",
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"content": "\n You cannot create that he is... Somebody says, \"I belong to another post office,\" then he is at once unauthorized. [everyone talking at once]",
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"content": "\n No, no. He saying that his post office is the one post office.\n Then why... Obviously not satisfied yet with what they found in that post office. Why have you come here, then? If you have been satisfied with that... You have to test.\n Yeah, we've gotta go around. Yoko never met Maharshi. We're asking advice of how to, you know, how to stop. You can go on forever. I know people that have been wandering around for years, seeking gurus and spiritual teachers. I mean it's doing them all quite well.",
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"content": "\n [aside:] Bring prasādam.",
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"content": "\n I mean, we can only judge on a material level by looking at your disciples and looking at other peoples' disciples and looking at ourselves, you know. And, of course, if there's thirty disciples, seven of them look fairly spiritual, another ten look okay, and the others just look as though they're having trouble, you know. So there's no...\n It's the same thing.\n We still have to keep sifting through like sand to see whose got the best [indistinct], or...",
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"content": "\n Try to understand this, that regarding authority, you say that how to find out the authority. To answer this question: Kṛṣṇa is authority. There is no doubt. Because if Kṛṣṇa is an authority, Maharshi takes also Kṛṣṇa's book and Aurobindo takes Kṛṣṇa's book, Vivekananda takes Kṛṣṇa's book, Dr. Radhakrishnan takes Kṛṣṇa's book. So Kṛṣṇa is authority.\nŚaṅkarācārya also takes Kṛṣṇa's book. You know Śaṅkarācārya's commentary on Kṛṣṇa? And in that commentary he accepts, kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam, sa bhagavān svayam kṛṣṇaḥ: \"Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\" He accepts. You say that Maharshi accepts Śaṅkarācārya. Śaṅkarācārya accepts Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.",
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"content": "\n Yes, but it's like the Bible, which came...",
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"content": "\n Now, don't go to Bible. We're talking of Kṛṣṇa. [laughter] Just try to understand.",
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"content": "\n Yes, but, you see, the religion is bringing out [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Just see that Kṛṣṇa is the authority. He's accepted by everyone. You say Maharshi belongs to the Śaṅkara sampradāya. Śaṅkarācārya accepts Kṛṣṇa. Not as authority... He says, \"Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\" He says this very word in his commentary.",
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"content": "\n Bhaja govindam bhaja govindam bhaja govindam.",
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"content": "\n So authority means one who has accepted Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Lord. Then he is authority.",
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"content": "\n Now, who said that?",
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"content": "\n Everyone says. All authorities. Śaṅkarācārya says. Rāmānujācārya says. Those who are really authorities, those disciplic succession is going on. In India, there are five sects. Actually two sects: Vaiṣṇava and Śaṅkara. So the Vaiṣṇava accept Kṛṣṇa as the authority, and Śaṅkara accepted Kṛṣṇa authority. There are no third sect. Practically, actually, there is one sect, the Vaiṣṇava. Anyway, later on, later ages, Śaṅkarācārya established his sect. But Śaṅkarācārya accepts that kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28]\n[All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists.]\n\"Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead,\" in his writing. And at his last stage of his life he said, \"You rascal fools, what you are dealing with? That will not save you.\" Bhaja govindam: \"You just worship Kṛṣṇa.\" Bhaja govindam bhaja govindam bhaja govindam mūḍha-mate. Mūḍha-mate means \"you rascal.\" [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Means what?\n \"You rascal.\"",
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"content": "\n \"You rascal.\" \"You rascal, just worship Kṛṣṇa and become devotee of Kṛṣṇa, Govinda.\"\nbhaja govindam bhaja govindam\nbhaja govindam mūḍha-mate\nprāpte sannihite kāle\nna hi na hi rakṣati dukṛñ-karaṇe\n[Śaṅkarācārya]\n[You fools and rascals, all your grammatical word jugglery of suffixes, prefixes and philosophical speculation will not save you at the time of death. Just worship Govinda! Worship Govinda! Worship Govinda!]\n\"When your death will come, all this grammatical jugglery of words will not save you. Kṛṣṇa can save you. So you bhaja govindam.\" That is instruction of Śaṅkarācārya.",
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"content": "\n But every sect says that. But every sect says that...",
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"content": "\n No, there is no question \"every sect.\" Kṛṣṇa is the center of every sect. If Kṛṣṇa is the center, then there is no question of \"every sect.\" Only Kṛṣṇa sect.",
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"content": "\n Does \"Kṛṣṇa\" mean God?\n Yes.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Kṛṣṇa means God, and God means Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n So for the Bible or any other holy book, they all talk about one God, but they all have many ways of...",
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"content": "\n Personalities.\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n It's still just the one Being everywhere, in all the books. But they all have... Why isn't Hare Kṛṣṇa or something similar in the Bible, then? I mean, that's the only other one I know, because I was brought up with the Bible.\n It is. In the 150th Psalm it says, \"Praise the Lord with every breath. Praise the Lord with drum and flute.\"\n But they haven't got very good tunes, you know. I mean, they haven't been passing on any good chants, have they?\n They don't have the aural disciplic succession with the Bible. It's broken.\n It's just a matter of that is it. I mean, would it be as effective to chant \"Lord Jesus, Lord Jesus. Hail Lord Jesus\"?\n If you're sincere, sure.",
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"content": "\n But it's a waste of time of doing it unsincerely, isn't it?\n Yeah, it depends on sincerity.",
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"content": "\n No, no. Lord Jesus says that he is son of God. He's son of God.",
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"content": "\n Your cab's here, Śyāmasundara. Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n [someone enters] What is that? You want to hear? Come on, sit down. So there is no difference. Lord Jesus Christ says that he is son of God. So there is no quarrel between God and God's son. So he says that \"Love God,\" and Kṛṣṇa says, \"Love Me.\" The same thing. [laughs] If you say that \"You love me,\" and your wife says that \"Love my husband,\" there is no difference of opinion.",
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"content": "\n But about the knowledge, I'm a bit worried about it, if you have to, you know, learn Sanskrit and all that, and that's the only way to get enlightenment... I mean, what do you do about people who are not sort of skillful in learning languages and things like that? I mean, would that not at all... I mean, I thought that it...\n It's translated, anyway.",
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"content": "\n Translation is there.",
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"content": "\n So you've got to take a risk.\n But he said, then why don't you go and...\n So then you've got to take the risk of reading a translated one.\n So you see many devotees of the authority, and then you decide which is the most sincere devotee. And just like in the Ninth Chapter He says, \"You will come to Me.\" Now, if I asked you for a glass of water and you poured it on the wall, I'd think you were silly. But if you brought it to me, then I knew you were in knowledge, we were having a reciprocal relationship. Therefore, if the devotee is saying, \"Worship Kṛṣṇa,\" and not putting so much of his own ideas in, but just saying, \"Worship Kṛṣṇa,\" all throughout, as Swāmījī does, then you can know he's a sincere devotee.",
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"content": "\n Now, one thing you try to understand. Why these people, if Kṛṣṇa is not the supreme authority, why they are taking Kṛṣṇa's book and translating? Why don't you try to understand?",
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"content": "\n I'm not saying Kṛṣṇa isn't the Supreme. I believe that.",
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"content": "\n No, no. I mean to say, even there are other sects, as you say, Maharshi, they accept also indirectly Kṛṣṇa as the supreme authority. Because if we say Maharshi belongs to Śaṅkara sampradāya, you said just like...",
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"content": "\n Yeah, but we had a misunderstanding before about the translation of the Sanskrit Gītā into English, and I was saying that there's many versions, and I think we thought you were trying to say that your version, your translation, was the only authority, and that the other translations... But we didn't really have misunderstanding as to the identity of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. If you believe Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Lord, if that is your version, then you have to see who are much addicted to Kṛṣṇa directly. For argument's sake. That these people, they are twenty-four hours chanting \"Kṛṣṇa,\" and another person who has no, not a single word \"Kṛṣṇa,\" how he can become devotee of Kṛṣṇa?\nHow he can become representative of Kṛṣṇa, who does not utter even the name of Kṛṣṇa? If Kṛṣṇa is authority accepted, therefore who are directly addicted to Kṛṣṇa, they are authorities. [end]",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n One-fifteen. Verse seven?\n\"Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bhārata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself.\" Purport.",
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"content": "\n This is very important verse.\nyadā yadā hi dharmasya\nglānir bhavati bhārata\nabhyutthānam adharmasya\ntadātmānaṁ sṛjāmy aham\n[Bg. 4.7]\n[Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion-at that time I descend Myself.]\nWhen God comes or His representative comes, His servant comes, or His son comes, there is necessity. Because it is God's kingdom, as soon as there is too much violation of the laws of God, there will be appearance of God.\nSo in the present age, this hari-nāma, Kṛṣṇa... Kṛṣṇa has descended at the present moment in the incarnation of His holy name. Kali-kāle nāma-rūpe [Cc. Ādi 17.22].\n[“In this Age of Kali, the holy name of the Lord, the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra, is the incarnation of Lord Kṛṣṇa. Simply by chanting the holy name, one associates with the Lord directly. Anyone who does this is certainly delivered.]\nIn other ages, God comes to kill the demons. But if God takes the killing process... Of course, at last, when Kalki incarnation will come... That is, of course, long, long after. But at the present moment, God is compassionate. Taking consideration of the people's most fallen condition, there is no process of killing, but reclaiming them simply by this chanting process.\nWe should take it seriously, that this movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, is also incarnation of God in the simple form, holy name, and people may take advantage simply by chanting.\nGo on, the purport.",
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"content": "\n \"The word sṛjāmi, \"manifest,\" is significant herein. Sṛjāmi cannot be used in the sense of creation, because according to the previous verse, there is no creation of the Lord's form or body, since all of the forms are eternally existent. Therefore sṛjāmi means that the Lord manifests Himself as He is.\nAlthough the Lord appears on schedule, namely at the end of the Dvāpara-yuga, or the twenty-eighth millennium of the eighth Manu in one day of Brahmā, still He has no obligation to adhere to such rules and regulations, because He is completely free to act many ways at His will.\nHe therefore appears by His own will whenever there is a predominance of irreligion and a disappearance of true religion. Principles of religion are laid down in the Vedas, and any discrepancy in the matter of properly executing the rules of the Vedas makes one irreligious.\n\"In the Bhāgavatam we find that such principles of religion are the laws of the Lord. Only the Lord can manufacture...\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Here is a reference of Bhāgavatam. In the Bhāgavatam it is said, dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19]:\n[Real religious principles are enacted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Although fully situated in the mode of goodness, even the great ṛṣis who occupy the topmost planets cannot ascertain the real religious principles, nor can the demigods or the leaders of Siddhaloka, to say nothing of the asuras, ordinary human beings, Vidyādharas and Cāraṇas.]\n\"The religion is the,\" I mean to say, \"order, or regulation, given by God.\" Just like the state gives you some regulation, the same example, that \"Keep to the right.\" This regulation is given by the state. You cannot give such regulation. You cannot say, \"No. Why keep to the left..., keep to the right? Let me keep to the left. I give this law.\" Your law will not be accepted. The state laws will be accepted.\nSimilarly, nobody can manufacture a religious process. That is nonsense. If somebody says that \"I am introducing this religious process,\" that is nonsense. Nobody will be interested. But if God gives you law, just like the state gives you law, one has to accept. So religion means to accept the order of God. That is religion. And who can accept the order of law, er, God? When there is exactly relationship. Just like you have got relationship with the state. You are a citizen of American government. So you, out of love of your country, out of your obligation, you abide by the laws.\nSimilarly, religion can be performed by a person who has full conception of God. Without God, religion is a farce. That is not religion. Religion means you must have obligation to God, you must have clear conception of God. That is called... That is... And that relationship is based on love. Just like father and child. What is the relationship between the child? There are hundreds of thousands of children in the street. Why you are interested with your own children? Because there is love. Similarly, religion means love of God, and irreligion means forgetfulness of God. That's all.\nReligion does not mean to follow some ritualistic process. That helps us to approach, but they are not, I mean to say, primal necessity. That ritualistic process may be different. Hindus may be following a different kind of ritualistic process. The Christian may be following a different kinds of ritualistic process. That does not matter. Just like the same example: your relationship with the state. You Americans, you follow the state laws, keep the car right, \"Keep right.\" In India and in England I have seen also that \"Keep to the left.\" So the process may be different, but the actual obedience to the state is there, either in India or in America or in England or everywhere.\nSimilarly, religion means love of Godhead. Now, that love of Godhead you may learn under certain process, I may learn under certain process. Just like love between boys and girls may be different from India to America. In India there is still. No young man can mix freely with a young girl, but still, there is love. So process may be different, but we have to accept the basic principle. Basic principle is love of God. That is religion. Don't bother about the ritualistic process. Just try to see how much you are increasing your love of God. Then you are religious. That's all. That is bhāgavata-dharma.\nŚrīmad-Bhāgavata says, sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6]:\n[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]\n\"That is first-class religion.\" What is that? \"Where love of God is enthused.\" That is first-class religion. And if you follow ritualistic processes and your love of Godhead is gone to hell—your love of materialistic life or love of this world is increasing, love of sense gratification is increasing—that is not religion. That is not religion. Test of religion is how much you are increasing your love of God.\nSo here it is said, \"Whenever and wherever there is decline in religious practice...\" What is that religion practice? That religion practice is whenever there is decline of love of God. That's all. When people becomes lover of mammon, matter, that means decline of religion. And when people increase love of Godhead, that means real religion. So Kṛṣṇa comes, or Kṛṣṇa's servant or representative comes, to adjust things. When people forget love of Godhead, somebody, either Kṛṣṇa, God Himself or His representative comes to adjust things.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is incarnation. They are teaching love of Godhead. We are not teaching some ritualistic process, that \"You become Hindu,\" \"You become Christian,\" \"You become Muhammadan.\" We are simply teaching, \"You try to love God. You have forgotten love [God]. You have declared, 'God is dead.' These are all nonsense. God is there. You are here. You are suffering because you have forgotten God. You try to love God. Your normal life will come back. You will be happy.\" This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. There is nothing artificiality.\nSo there is no question of sectarianism, that \"In this temple the Christians will come\" or \"The Muhammadans will not come.\" Anyone. Because we are teaching what? Teaching love of Godhead. Either you become Christian or Muhammadan, Hindu, how you can deny God? Those who are denying God, their case is different. But one who is accepting God as the central figure in religion, how they can deny this movement? Because we are teaching love of Godhead, that's all. Go on.",
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"content": "\n \"Only the Lord can manufacture a system of religion. The Vedas are also accepted as originally spoken by the Lord Himself to Brahmā from within his heart. Therefore the principles of religion are the direct orders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. These principles are clearly indicated throughout the Bhagavad-gītā. The purpose of the Vedas is to establish such principles under the order of the Supreme Lord, and the Lord directly orders at the end of the Bhagavad-gītā that the highest principle of religion is to surrender unto Him only and nothing more.\n\"The Vedic principles are to push one toward complete surrender unto Him, and whenever such principles are disturbed by the demons, the Lord appears. From the Bhāgavatam we understand that Lord Buddha is the incarnation of Kṛṣṇa who appeared when materialism was rampant and materialists were using the pretext of the authority of the Vedas. Although there are certain restrictive rules and regulations regarding animal sacrifice for particular purposes in the Vedas, people of demonic tendency still took to animal sacrifice without reference to the Vedic principles. Lord Buddha...\"",
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"content": "\n Just like still, animal sacrifice... Not only the followers of Vedas, every religion—animal is killed or sacrificed under certain religious rituals, in the lower stage. In the higher stage there is no such animal sacrifice. Just like this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, there is no ritualistic process as animal sacrifice. But the Vedas, they will include everyone. Suppose one is addicted to fish-eating or meat-eating.\nSo the Vedas do not reject him also. He gives him direction that \"You... All right, you can eat meat, but not you can start slaughterhouse. You can sacrifice one goat in the presence of Goddess Kālī, and then you can eat.\" That means restriction. Goddess Kālī cannot be worshiped daily. So at least he is forbidden to eat daily meat. That is the idea.\nJust like liquor shop is allowed by the government because there are drunkards. They must drink, but under restriction. You cannot keep liquor or wine more than the necessity. There is restriction. In India especially, there is very strict restriction. So similarly, the Vedic principle is to restrict sense gratification under certain rules and regulation. So the animal sacrifice is also restricted in that way.\nBut when people become too much animal-eater and simply giving the evidence of Vedas, \"In the Vedas it is sanctioned,\" but without caring for the ritualistic process, at that time Lord Buddha appeared. It is said about Lord Buddha that sadaya-hṛdaya-darśita-paśu-ghātam [Daśāvatāra-stotra 9].\n[O Keśava! O Lord of the universe! O Lord Hari, who have assumed the form of Buddha! All glories to You! O Buddha of compassionate heart, you decry the slaughtering of poor animals performed according to the rules of Vedic sacrifice.]\nThe Lord appeared as Lord Buddha, being compassionate on the poor animals, unrestricted.\nSo this animal-killing, no religion sanctions. In your Christian religion also, it is clearly stated, \"Thou shall not kill.\" But who is caring for that? Nobody is caring. They are killing. Their killing process is increasing, and there is reaction also. Every ten years you will find one war, killing process upon you. How you can avoid?\nThere must be reaction. You cannot violate the laws of God. As you cannot violate the laws of the state, similarly, if you violate, you have to suffer. You cannot expect peace and you go on killing animals. That is not possible. If you want peace, then you must think for others also. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is God consciousness.\nHow you can kill another animal? He is also as good a child of God. A father has got some dozens of children. It may be one is useless, but that does not mean father will allow it to be killed..., allow him to be killed. If the very intelligent child says, \"My dear father, your this son is useless. Let me kill him,\" the father will sanction? No, never. Similarly, the animal may be less intelligent. They cannot make protest. They are also nationals.\nWhat do you mean by national? One who is born in America is national. Are the animals are not born in America? Are they not American nationals? But because they cannot make protest, they cannot make meeting, you are killing them. You see? Is that humanity? And you expect peace? That is not possible.\nViolation of God, laws of God, one has to suffer, today or tomorrow. Today or tomorrow. Just like if you contaminate some disease germ, it may not be manifest immediately, but it will act someday. Similarly, if we contaminate sinful activities, it may not be immediately manifest, but you must wait for the reaction.\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness means to understand these things. It is not a bogus propaganda, that \"You meditate fifteen minutes and you become God,\" nonsense. This is not such a movement. You have to understand your constitutional position. You have to understand what is God, what is law of God, how it is functioning. These are there. These are meant for human study. They are not meant for animals.\nSo when there are discrepancies of this violation of law, there is incarnation of God. So Lord Buddha appeared in that way.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n \"Therefore each and every avatāra, or incarnation of the Lord, has a particular mission, and They are all described in the revealed scriptures. Nobody can be accepted as an avatāra without reference to such scriptural indications. It is not a fact that the Lord appears only on Indian soil. He can advent Himself anywhere and everywhere, and whenever He desires to appear.\n\"In each and every incarnation He speaks as much about religion as can be understood by the particular people under their particular circumstances, but the mission is the same: to lead people to God consciousness and obedience to the principles of religion. Sometimes He descends personally, and sometimes He sends His bona fide representative in the form of His son or servant.\"",
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"content": "\n So there are some protagonists, they say that God cannot come personally. Why? Why God should be restricted? Is God under your regulation or restriction? Then what kind of God He is? Yes. God can come personally out of His compassion. That is possible. Yes. And He comes. He says here in this verse that \"I come.\"\nBut it is not that somebody will imitate and he will say that \"I am God.\" No. That also not. You have to test actually. That test, if you have got..., if you are conversant with the principles of God appearance, disappearance, incarnation, then you can understand who is a pretender and who is actually representative of God, by action.\nThere are... Just like Kṛṣṇa is accepted as the Supreme Personality of Godhead by His actions, wonderful actions, not that He pretended and cheated some people that \"I am God.\" Actually, from the beginning of His appearance He played, I mean to say, uncommon activities. Just like at the age of seven years old He lifted the Govardhana Hill.\nThere are so many instances. If you read Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, life of Kṛṣṇa in the Tenth Canto, there is description. And in the Battle of Kurukṣetra, the Bhagavad-gītā. So by His activities, by His knowledge, by His opulence—everything is there. Nobody is supposed to be cheated by a pretender if he is actually intelligent.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"The principles of the Bhagavad-gītā were spoken to Arjuna and, for that matter, to other highly elevated persons because they were highly advanced compared to ordinary men in other parts of the world. Two plus two equals four. This is a mathematical principle, and it is true both in the infant's arithmetic class and in the Master's degree class as well.\n\"Still, there are higher and lower mathematics. In all incarnations of the Lord, therefore, the same principles are taught, but they appear to be higher and lower under various circumstances. The higher principles of religion begin with the acceptance of the four orders and the four ranks of social life, as will be explained later. The whole purpose of the mission of incarnations is to arouse Kṛṣṇa consciousness everywhere.\"\nEight: \"In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium.\"\nNine: \"One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.\"",
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"content": "\n This is very nice. If one can understand the principles of appearance and disappearance of God, His activities, so simply by understanding these principles he will be liberated. It is said here that after quitting this body, he is no more coming to take birth again in this material world.\nSo just like a layman does not know how the sun appears and disappears, but an astronomer, he knows very well the movements of the sun, moon and other planets' appearance and disappearance. This is a science, astronomy. Similarly, there is a science of God by which you can understand how God appears, disappears, how He acts, how He works. Everything is there.\nBut if you are not interested, that does not mean that the science of God is false or there is no such science. There is. You must be interested to know; then you can understand. And if you simply understand this science, then you become liberated. It is open order. Simply by understanding—even not engaging yourself in transcendental service of the Lord—simply by understanding the process of appearance and disappearance. So why don't you try that?\nGo on. Purport.",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"The Lord's descent from His transcendental abode is already explained in the sixth verse. One who can understand the truth of the appearance of the Personality of Godhead is already liberated from material bondage, and therefore he returns to the kingdom of God immediately after quitting his present material body. Such liberation of the living entity from material bondage is not at all easy. The impersonalist and the yogīs attain liberation only after much trouble and many, many births. Even then their liberation is...\"",
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"content": "\n Try to understand bondage, what is bondage. We are thinking we are very..., we are free. We are declaring that \"We belong to the free nation\" or \"free community,\" or everyone is seeking after freedom. But nobody is free. Nobody is free. Everyone is under the stringent laws of nature. So bondage means to remain under the condition of material laws. That is called bondage.\nJust like people are trying for so many years to go to the moon planet. The Russian and the American scientists are competing. But they are so bound up, they go some, say, thousands and thousands of miles up, again come back. Just see how they are bound up. You cannot go. So this is the nearest planet, and there are so many other planets also. So you cannot go by your whims or by your will. This is called bondage. But if you become free—when you are in spiritual understanding, then you are freed—then you can travel anywhere.\nThe perfect yogī, he can travel in any planet. That is freedom. That is little freedom. We have no idea what is the freedom of the spirit soul. That we have forgotten, because for..., from time immemorial we have been bound up under the laws of material nature, so we do not know what is freedom. But there are information of the freedom, how a spirit soul can become free.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"The impersonalists and the yogīs attain liberation only after much trouble and many, many births. Even then the liberation they achieve, merging into the impersonal brahma-jyotir effulgence of the Lord, is only partial, and there is the risk of returning again to this material world. But the devotee, simply by understanding the transcendental nature of the body and the activities of the Lord, attains the abode of the Lord after ending this body and does not run the risk of returning again to this material world.\n\"In the Brahma-saṁhitā it is stated that the Lord has many, many forms and incarnations. Advaitam acyutam ananta-rūpam [Bs. 5.33].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is inaccessible to the \nVedas,\n but obtainable by pure unalloyed devotion of the soul, who is without a second, who is not subject to decay, is without a beginning, whose form is endless, who is the beginning, and the eternal \npuruṣa;\n yet He is a person possessing the beauty of blooming youth.]\nAlthough there are many transcendental forms of the Lord, they are still one and the same Supreme Personality of Godhead. One has to understand this fact with conviction, although it is incomprehensible to mundane scholars and empiric philosophers. As stated in the Vedas: eko devo nitya-līlānurakto bhakta-vyāpī hṛdy antarātmā:\n'The one Supreme Personality of Godhead is eternally engaged in many, many transcendental forms in relationships with His unalloyed devotees.'\n\"This Vedic version is confirmed in this verse of the Bhagavad-gītā personally by the Lord. Anyone who accepts this truth on the strength of the authorities of the Vedas and of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and who does not waste time in philosophical speculation obtains the highest perfectional stage of liberation.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. This is very important point: the process of understanding knowledge. The modern tendency is to understand by dint of one's sense perception. That is not possible. There are many things, especially spiritual matters; nobody can understand by simple speculation. So one has to accept the authority. So accordin g to Vedic culture, the Vedas are the authority. If there is some information in the Vedas, you accept it, authority. That is very nice system.\nJust like a child. If he wants to understand something out of his own intelligence, it is very difficult to understand, but if he asks his parents, \"Mother, what is this?\" mother says, \"My dear child, this is this.\" So he understands immediately, \"Oh,\" because mother is the authority. Mother will not cheat the child. Similarly, those who are liberated persons... Vedas means the knowledge given by the liberated person, by God. So if you accept it, then you get the knowledge immediately. You haven't got to make research or philosophical speculation.\nThat process is deductive process. That process is very nice. So Vedic process means, as it is stated in the Fourth Chapter, that evaṁ paramparā-prāptam. [Bg. 4.2]\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\nBy disciplic succession if you try to understand the truth, then you get infallible knowledge. Your purpose is to get knowledge. As soon as you get the knowledge from authority, your knowledge is perfect. But if you want to get the knowledge by your own sense perception, you will never be able to come to the right conclusion; neither it is possible to get knowledge in that process.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"The Vedic version tat tvam asi is actually applied in this case. Anyone who understands Lord Kṛṣṇa to be the Supreme or who says unto the Lord, 'You are the same Supreme Brahman, the Personality of Godhead,' is certainly liberated instantly, and consequently his entrance into the transcendental association of the Lord is guaranteed. In other words, such a faithful devotee of the Lord attains perfection, and this is confirmed by the following Vedic assertion: tam eva viditvāti mṛtyum eti nānyaḥ panthā vidyate ayanāya. One can attain the perfect stage of liberation from birth and death simply by knowing the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\n\"There is no alternative means, because anyone who does not understand Lord Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead is surely in the mode of ignorance. Consequently he will not attain salvation simply, so to speak, by licking the outer surface of the bottle of honey or by interpreting the text of the Bhagavad-gītā according to his own mundane scholarship. Such empiric philosophers may assume very important roles in the material world, but they are not necessarily eligible for liberation. Such puffed-up mundane scholars have to wait for the causeless mercy of the devotee of the Lord. One should, therefore, accept the principle of Kṛṣṇa consciousness with faith and knowledge, and in this way one can attain the perfection of life.\"\nTen: \"Being freed from attachment, fear and anger, being fully absorbed in Me and taking refuge in Me, many, many persons in the past became purified, and thus they all attained transcendental love for Me.\"\nPurport: \"As described above, it is very difficult for a person who is too materially affected to understand the personal nature of the Supreme Absolute Truth. Generally, people who are attached to the bodily concept of life are so absorbed in materialism that it is almost impossible for them to understand how the Supreme can be a person. Such materialists cannot even imagine that there is a transcendental body which is nonperishable, full of knowledge, and eternally blissful.\n\"In the materialistic concept, the body is perishable, full of ignorance and completely miserable. Therefore people in general keep this same bodily idea in mind when they are informed of the personal form of the Lord.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. When we try to impress people about the personal nature or the personal body of God, generally we think, \"God is a person like me.\" Therefore they cannot imagine how God... Actually, God is not a person like me, but He is a person. That is to be understood. Sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1].\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nHe has got body, but He hasn't got body like me.\nJust like in the Vedas it is stated, apāni-pādo javano gṛahītā [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 3.19].\n[The Supreme Lord has no material hands and feet but accepts whatever is offered to Him and moves very quickly. The Supreme Person has no material ears and eyes but sees and hears everything. He is the knower of everything, and He is all that is to be known. It is said that He is the best and the greatest of all persons.]\nIn the Upaniṣads it is said that \"God has no leg, but He can run faster than any one of us.\" Now, this is superficially contradiction. If He has no leg, then how He can run faster than me? So the adjustment is that He has got leg, because He runs. Just like in another place, \"God has no hands, but He can accept whatever we offer.\" There are many such Vedic version. Now, we have to understand in this way, that He has got His hand, He has got His leg, but not this limited hand or limited leg.\nIn another place in Bhagavad-gītā you'll find, God says that \"Whatever is offered to Me in the group of flowers, fruits, vegetables, I accept for eating.\" Now, if we think that \"God is far, far away. How He eats? I offer here. How He eats?\" that means His eating process is different. He can eat even from millions and millions of miles away. So these things are to be understood, that God has got a form, but that form is not exactly our form. If we try to understand God's form as limited as our form, then we'll misunderstand.\nSac-cid... In the Brahma-saṁhitā it is said, sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1]: His form is eternal, full of bliss and knowledge, just exactly opposite to this form which we have got just now. We can also attain that form. That is being explained here.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Therefore people in general keep the same bodily idea in mind when they are informed of the personal form of the Lord. For such materialistic men the form of the gigantic material manifestation is Supreme. Therefore they imagine that the Supreme is impersonal. And because they are too materially absorbed, the concept of retaining a personality after liberation from matter frightens them. When such materialistic men are informed that spiritual life is also individual and personal, they are afraid of becoming persons again, and so they naturally prefer a kind of merging into the impersonal void.\n\"Generally, they compare the living entities to the bubbles of the ocean which merge into the ocean. That is the highest perfection of spiritual existence attainable without individual personality. This is a fearful stage of life, devoid of perfect knowledge of spiritual existence.\n\"Furthermore, there are many persons who cannot understand spiritual existence at all. Being embarrassed by so many theories and by contradictions and various types of philosophical speculation, they become disgusted or angry, and foolishly they conclude that there is no supreme cause and that everything is ultimately void. Such people are in diseased conditions of life. Some of them are too materially attached, and therefore do not give attention to spiritual life. Some of them want to merge into the supreme spiritual cause. And some of them disbelieve in everything, being angry at all sorts of spiritual speculation out of hopelessness. This last class of men take to the shelter of some kind of intoxication, and their effective hallucinations are sometimes accepted as spiritual visions.\n\"One has to get rid of all three stages of attachment to the material world: the negligence of spiritual life, fear of spiritual personal identity, and the concept of void that underlies the frustration of life. To get free of these three stages in the material concept of life, one has to take complete shelter of the Lord, guided by the bona fide spiritual master, and follow the penances of disciplinary and regulative principles of devotional life. The last stage of such devotional life is called bhāva, or transcendental love of Godhead.\n\"According to Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, the science of devotional service: 'In the beginning one must have a preliminary desire for self-realization. This will bring one to the stage of trying to associate with persons who are spiritually elevated. The next stage is that one becomes initiated by an elevated spiritual master, and under the instruction of the spiritual master the neophyte devotee begins the process of devotional service.\n\" 'By execution of devotional service under the guidance of the spiritual master, one becomes free from all material attachment and attains steadiness in self-realization and acquires a taste for hearing about the Absolute Personality of Godhead, Śrī Kṛṣṇa. This taste leads one further forward to the attachment for Kṛṣṇa..., for the attachment for Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And this Kṛṣṇa consciousness is matured in bhāva, or the preliminary stage of transcendental love of Godhead. When the devotee reaches the stage of real love for Godhead, it is called prema, the highest perfection of life.'\n\"In the prema stage there is a constant engagement in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. So by the slow process of devotional service under the guidance of the bona fide spiritual master, one can attain the bhāva stage, being free from all material attachment, from the fearfulness of one's individual spiritual personality and from the frustration of voidness. And when one is actually free from such lower stages of life, one can attain to the abode of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\"",
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"content": "\n That's all. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances]\nAny question? So we discuss Bhagavad-gītā. If somebody has got any difficulty to understand or any question, they can..., he can clear it up. This class is meant for understanding. So we should try to understand clearly what is discussed. So if there is any question, you can put.\nTad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā [Bg. 4.34].\n[Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.]\nSpiritual understanding is possible by surrender, by question and by service. The question should be made to a person where you can surrender, and that person where you surrender must be rendered service. This is the process.\n[pause] Yes?",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, in this Vedic verse tat tvam asi, is this where the Māyāvādīs have begin their impersonal philosophy, \"Thou art that,\" or...?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. We also... We cannot deny the Vedic version. Tat tvam asi is a Vedic version. So either you are Māyāvādī or Vaiṣṇava, you cannot deny it. Just like two lawyers are arguing in the court. The medium is the law court. So neither of them can deny the law court, but one has to establish his conviction by argument, by logic. So similarly, tat tvam asi is the code of Vedic principle, or Vedas, \"You are that.\" Tat tvam asi. Tat means that supreme spirit you are.\nSo our philosophy, Vaiṣṇava philosophy, we begin from this point. Just Kṛṣṇa began Bhagavad-gītā from the point that \"You are not this body,\" we begin from this version, tat tvam asi. Tat tvam asi: \"You are not this.\" That means \"What I am?\" Then I must be something; otherwise what is my identity? That reply is, \"Your identity is that you are as good as God.\" That means you are qualitatively the same. Tat tvam asi. Qualitatively you are...\nThe mistake of the Māyāvāda philosophy is that \"You are the same.\" You are the same in which way? I am the same in quality, not in quantity. Just like if I say, \"You are as good as President Nixon,\" there is nothing wrong, because you are American, he is American. Is there anything wrong? From the point of view American citizenship, you are as good as President Nixon.\nBut when you go deep into the matter, you will find, oh, you are far, far away from President Nixon. Similarly, we are identifying ourself with this matter, but Vedas says that \"You are not matter. You are supreme spirit soul.\" Not supreme; \"You are spirit soul.\" That understanding is tat tvam asi.\nYou have to understand ahaṁ brahmāsmi: \"I am Brahman. I am not matter.\" Our disease is that I am identifying with this matter, \"I am this material body,\" which is foreign to me. This is the beginning of the Bhagavad-gītā instruction, that \"You are not this body.\" Tat tvam asi: \"You are spirit soul.\" So we also, we have to accept. We are accepting that \"I am not this body; I am spirit soul.\" But my constitutional position is part and parcel of the supreme whole.\nSo just like big gold mine and a small particle of gold. That small particle of gold is also gold. But that does not mean it has the same value as the gold mine. Tat tvam asi. Just like a drop of sea water. Chemical composition is the same. Salty taste is the same.\nSimilarly, if you can understand yourself, then you can understand even God. If you study yourself, that \"Although I am very small...\" What to speak of myself? Even a small ant, it has got individuality. The ant is going on. You stop it, it will struggle. That means it wants to keep its individuality.\nTherefore if you are the same, then God is also individual. He is not impersonal. Immediately you can understand. How you can...? I have got so much... I am so small, tiny; still, I have got my individuality, personality, and how God can be impersonal? Even a commonsense man can understand.\nIf I have got tendency to love nice girls and dance with him, er, her, or a girl—everyone is individual—why God shall not be? He must have that tendency. Otherwise wherefrom this tendency comes? Because I am part and parcel of God, unless the tendency is there, wherefrom I get this tendency? So if you simply try to understand the tat tvam asi, you can immediately understand your position and God. It is so nice.\nSo ānanda-mayo 'bhyāsāt. Ānanda-mayo 'bhyāsāt. The Vedic version says, Vedānta, that \"A spirit soul is by nature joyful.\" Therefore—we are spirit soul—we are hankering after joy, where there is dance, where there is cinema, where there is nice food, where there is nice song, nice picture, nice beautiful woman or man. Everyone is searching after joy. Therefore the Supreme must be joyful. But I am conditioned. Therefore my joy is being checked up. But He is not conditioned. His joy is unlimited. He is everlastingly in enjoyment in Vṛndāvana, dancing with gopī.\nSo you simply study this tat tvam asi, you can understand yourself and God if you are a philosopher, if you are thoughtful. The tat tvam asi is so nice. But if you simply become more fool, \"Oh, I am God, so I have nothing to do. I have become God. I have no seeing. I have no... Yes. Meditation. That's all,\" this is another foolishness. Just try to understand. \"You are the same.\" That's nice.\nBut why your process of enjoyment is checked? You want unchecked happiness. You do not wish to die. Why death overcomes you? We are sitting here very peacefully. If there is any information, \"Oh, the ceiling is going to fall down,\" we shall immediately vacate this floor, because we are afraid of death. That means I want eternal life, but death is there.\nThese questions should be answered. Why I am subject to death? Why I am subjected to birth? Why I am subjected to disease, old age? This is called brahma-jijñāsā. Athāto brahma jijñāsā. This is called inquiry, real inquiry. That is human life's inquiry. The beasts, the birds, the animals, they can[not] inquire these things. They are suffering, but they cannot inquire, \"Why I am suffering?\" Here is an opportunity. Here you can understand that \"I am as good as God, although I am very small.\" Then you can prepare yourself. Tat tvam asi.\nYou are the same. You can also join with Kṛṣṇa and dance with Him. Why you are forgetting that? But you have to qualify yourself. You cannot dance with the dog and God at the same time. If you want to dance with the dog, then remain here. Go on perpetually dancing with the dog. But if you want to dance with God, you can prepare yourself and go there and dance with Him. That is up to you, because tat tvam asi: \"You are the same.\"\nThat, everything, is my choice, what I want to do. In the practical life also. President Nixon is the head of your state. You can also become. But you must have the capacity. Simply by thinking that \"I am President Nixon, Nixon, Nixon,\" that will not do. Tat tvam asi means that \"You have got the same quality as God. Now you have to realize and you have to act. Don't misuse your life simply in animal propensity and go to dog.\" No. Therefore Vedic... Tamasi mā jyotir-gama: \"Don't remain in the darkness. Come out to the light.\" Tamasi mā jyotir-gama: \"Don't remain in birth and death cycle. Come to the eternal life.\"\nSo everything is there. You can have eternal life, blissful life, life of knowledge. So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness means training people for becoming fit to enter into that eternal life, blissful life. That training is meant for human being, not for animals. So you should not misuse this human form of life. Try to understand tat tvam asi, and act accordingly. That will be successful of our activities. Is that clear? Yes.\nYou have question? 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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? You've said many times that in this material nature we have no guarantee what our next birth will be. But, say for instance the yogīs who perfect certain mystical powers, do they have any guarantee of a human birth in their next life?",
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"content": "\n You have also guarantee. You have also guarantee. Those who are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness seriously, even they do not make perfection... Generally you can make perfection. It is not very difficult, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. You have to keep your consciousness always absorbed in the thought of Kṛṣṇa. Our consciousness must be absorbed in some thought. Without thought, your consciousness is not existing. There must be some thought. Now you have to replace that thought with Kṛṣṇa. That's all. You have to mold your life in such a way that you cannot think of anything except Kṛṣṇa.\nThis our arrangement of this chanting, the dancing, or reading this Kṛṣṇa conscious book, what does it mean? That we always try to be absorbed in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So if you remain always absorbed... This is called samādhi. If you remain absorbed in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then Kṛṣṇa says that next life you go directly there. So there is guarantee.\nThen, if you say that \"It may be that I cannot fulfill cent percent Kṛṣṇa consciousness in this life,\" then that is also guaranteed. What is that guarantee? Kṛṣṇa says that śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭo sanjāyate [Bg. 6.41]. \n[The unsuccessful yogī, after many, many years of enjoyment on the planets of the pious living entities, is born into a family of righteous people, or into a family of rich aristocracy.]\nYoga-bhraṣṭaḥ, those who cannot fulfill the whole program of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, by some way or other falls down, incomplete, so Kṛṣṇa says, \"Such persons are given chance to take birth in the next life in rich family and in pure brāhmaṇa's family.\"\nSo that means your human life is guaranteed. A rich family does not mean animal family. Rich means human being. And brāhmaṇas means intelligent class of men. So you get your birth in a family where your parents are very intelligent, very advanced in philosophical knowledge, in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. You get chance.\nFrom our practical experience we can say we got this chance. We got this chance. We got very nice parents. And I was born in a family, a very pure family. And, of course, in those days they were rich also. We had Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa mūrti-sevā. So from the childhood I was taught... Not taught; I asked my father, \"Give me this Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa mūrti. I shall worship.\" And father encouraged me. I was performing this Ratha-yātrā festival. My father encouraged. So this means that I got this chance again.\nSo those who are executing Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they are not in loss. Whatever they are doing, they are gaining some meaning, one percent, two percent, three percent, five percent, ninety-nine percent. It is fulfilled cent percent, then it is perfect. But even it is not cent percent, you are not in a loss, because you get good chance to make further advance. These things are discussed. In the Sixth Chapter you will find. So there is guarantee.\nSo try your best to execute Kṛṣṇa consciousness fully. That should be the motto of our life. But if, by chance... We shall not allow us to fall down, but even if we fall down, there is no loss. But that does not mean I shall be slack and allow me to fall down. Yes. We must be very serious. That should be our motto.\nJust like... It is very easy to understand. A person trying to appear in the M.A. examination, if he passes, he's all right. Otherwise next chance he will have, another. It does not mean that he has to study again from A-B-C-D. No. Next year he can appear. But his motto should be: \"Why shall I wait for next year? Let me pass in this year.\" Similarly, we should be very serious: \"Why we shall wait for the next life? Let us finish this life and go back to Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, and dance there.\" Yes?",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, if we are performing actions, if we are acting, like preparing offerings for Kṛṣṇa by our work, but while we are doing this work our mind is not engaged in Kṛṣṇa all the time, thinking about Kṛṣṇa all the time, we fall into māyā, but we're still doing the work—eventually by performing the work and offering the offering...",
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"content": "\n Yes. The important thing is that you're working for Kṛṣṇa. That is important. You see? And māyā is calling; that is not very important. If you engage yourself, keep yourself engaged in Kṛṣṇa's activities, then māyā, even calling, she will not be, I mean, able to call you back. She will call. That is quite natural. But you stick to your business. Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te [Bg 7.14].\n[This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.]\nYou will find in the Seventh Chapter. If we stick to the principle of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, māyā will not be able to react upon us.",
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"content": "\n That means that eventually we'll stop being distracted?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Eventually māyā will fail to attract you. She will fail. You will not fail. All right. saṅkīrtana.\n[break] Nandarāṇī, you are feeling well? Feeling well?",
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"content": "\n Tonight we have that engagement, so if it's all right, the saṅkīrtana party, we wanted to show you...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. You show and go.",
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"content": "\n[addressing others] We have a party of our devotees to go out on the street [indistinct] saṅkīrtana We chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa's mercy, Prabhupāda's mercy.",
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"content": "\nSo we have an engagement",
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"content": "\n All glories to the assembled devotees.",
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"content": "\nAll glories to Śrī Guru and Gaurāṅga. Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nPage number?",
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"content": "\nPage one hundred and forty four.",
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"content": "\nYes, go on. Where is that boy Kamalāsana?",
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"content": "\n He's here.",
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"content": "\n Go on reading. Who will read? You will?",
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"content": "\n [reading Bg. 5.17-20] \"When one's intelligence, mind, faith and refuge are all fixed in the Supreme, then one becomes fully cleansed of misgivings through complete knowledge and thus proceeds straight on the path of liberation.\"",
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"content": "\n Hmm.",
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"content": "\n \"The humble sage sees with equal vision a learned and gentle brāhmaṇa, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater, or outcaste.\n\"Those whose minds are established in sameness and equanimity have already conquered the conditions of birth and death. They are flawless like Brahman, and as such, are already situated in Brahman.\n\"A person who neither rejoices upon achieving something pleasant nor laments upon obtaining something unpleasant; who is self-intelligent, unbewildered and who knows the science of God, is to be understood as already situated in transcendence.\n\"Purport...\"",
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"content": "\n \"A person who neither rejoices upon achieving something pleasant nor laments upon obtaining something unpleasant; who is self-intelligent, unbewildered and who knows the science of God, is to be understood as already situated in transcendence.\"\nYes. Go on.",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"The symptoms of the self-realized person are given herein. The first symptom is that he is not illusioned by the false identification of the body with his true self.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. So achieving something pleasant... Generally we accept a thing pleasant when it satisfies our senses. We accept it as pleasant. But actually, satisfaction of my sense is not real pleasure, because my senses are at the present moment diseased. Therefore, as it is stated in the Nārada Pañcarātra, that tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]:\n[“’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nOne has to purify the senses in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nThe Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is not to become void of the senses. The other philosophers, they say that \"You don't desire.\" We say that we don't desire nonsense, but we desire Kṛṣṇa. Desire is there, but as soon as desire is purified, then I shall desire Kṛṣṇa. When one is desiring only Kṛṣṇa, that is his healthy state. And if somebody is desiring something else, something other than Kṛṣṇa, then he is to be understood in diseased condition.\nSo diseased condition means contaminated by māyā. This is external. So our philosophy, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, is not to stop desiring but purify desiring. And how you can purify? By Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If you desire... Just like—concrete example—if I desire a very nice apartment for my personal sense gratification, this is diseased desire. And if I desire a nice, costly temple for Kṛṣṇa, that is purified desire. So desire is there. You are sitting here in a very nice room, very cleansed, very good atmosphere. But this desire is purified desire. And if you require similar room for your sense gratification, that is impure desire.\nSo desire there must be. But when it is desired for Kṛṣṇa, it is purified desire, and when it is desired for non-Kṛṣṇa, then it is impurified. So those who are desiring for Kṛṣṇa, they are not behind any enjoyment. They are rather in perfect enjoyment. These Kṛṣṇa conscious students, they are desiring for Kṛṣṇa nice prasādam, so they are not bereft. Practically they are enjoying, but it is Kṛṣṇa-ized. Therefore their everything is becoming purified. This is the science.\nHow it is? Now, it is said here that \"Who is self intelligent, unbewildered, and who knows the science of God.\" How do you know the science of God? The same example, that this finger, when it is in healthy condition, it serves the whole body. When it is not in a healthy condition it cannot serve. Similarly, we are part and parcel of God, or Kṛṣṇa. When we are engaged in transcendental loving service of God, that is our healthy condition. That is our natural condition. That is our situation in Brahman, ahaṁ brahmāsmi. \n[Simply to understand that one is not matter but spirit soul (ahaṁ brahmāsmi: \"I am by nature Brahman\") is not sufficient knowledge for understanding the self and his activities. One must be situated in the activities of Brahman. Knowledge of those activities is explained by the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. Such transcendental knowledge can be appreciated in human society but not in animal society, as clearly indicated here by the word nṛṇām, \"for the human beings.\" Human beings are meant for regulated life. By nature, there is regulation in animal life also, but that is not like the regulative life as described in the scriptures or by the authorities. Human life is regulated life, not animal life. In regulated life only can one understand transcendental knowledge. [SB 3.25.1 Purport]]\nThis is self-realization. Just like this finger. If it thinks, \"I am finger of this body. My duty is to serve this whole body,\" this is healthy stage. Similarly, when we are fully convinced that \"I am part and parcel of God...\"\nThere are many examples. Just like you are American citizen. If you think yourself that \"I am part and parcel of the State...\" Sometime there is some advertisement that \"If you spoil this thing, you must know you are spoiling your own thing, because the State is yours.\" Similarly, if I know the science of God, if I know science of Kṛṣṇa, then I am..., my duty is to utilize everything for the satisfaction of Kṛṣṇa.\nJust like the same citizen who is conscious that \"I am part and parcel of this State. I shall see that everything is nicely done for the interest of the State.\" In Communist State they are very much strict. In other State they are not so much strict, but in Communist State, if you go a little against the State, you are immediately punished.\nSo this is real knowledge of science of God, that \"I am part and parcel of God, so my duty is that everything is nicely done, everything is nicely preserved, everything is nicely utilized for the service of God.\" That is the knowledge of science of God. I personally... Of course, in your country there is no water supply hydrant on the street, but in India that is a system: on big roads there are supply, water supply hydrant, because there are many poor men who cannot provide water supply pipes in their house. They take from the street.\nSo when I was passing—I do not know why; that is my habit—if I see that the water tap is open, I immediately close it. I do not like that the water is wasted, you see, because I think that \"The government is spending so much money for supplying water, and this water is unnecessarily being lost. So why it should be?\" That is also advertised in your country. When there is dropping in your bathroom, the authorities request you to stop that, because that drop of water costs many dollars for the management.\nSimilarly, when everything we see in connection—nirbandhaḥ kṛṣṇa-sambandhe—in connection with Kṛṣṇa, when everything we see that \"This can be utilized very nicely for Kṛṣṇa's service,\" that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that is God consciousness: everything to see in connection with Kṛṣṇa. The Gosvāmīs, they give us this formula. Prāpañcikatayā buddhyā hari-sambandhi-vastunaḥ [Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.258]. \n[When one is not attached to anything but at the same time accepts anything in relation to Kṛṣṇa, one is rightly situated above possessiveness. On the other hand, one who rejects everything without knowledge of its relationship to Kṛṣṇa is not as complete in his renunciation.]\nThe Māyāvādī philosopher, they say that \"This world is false. This world is false.\" Some philosophers, they are meditating to the voidness, that \"These things are all nonsense. Voidness is best.\" This is frustration. But we know that everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa and it can be used for Kṛṣṇa. Why void? Why false? Reality.\nThat is Kṛṣṇa consciousness: to accept everything in reality, not false. This tape recorder machine, it is material. The Māyāvāda philosophers, they will say it is false. We say, \"It is not false; it is temporary. But it can be used for Kṛṣṇa.\" That is the best use of a bad bargain. Similarly, this body is not false, but it is temporary. How can I say false? If I give you a nice, I mean to say... What is called?",
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"content": "\n Shock, you will feel. So it is not false, but that feeling is temporary, that's all. So this body... The Bhāgavata says, asann api kleśada āsa dehaḥ [SB 5.5.4]. \n[When a person considers sense gratification the aim of life, he certainly becomes mad after materialistic living and engages in all kinds of sinful activity. He does not know that due to his past misdeeds he has already received a body which, although temporary, is the cause of his misery. Actually the living entity should not have taken on a material body, but he has been awarded the material body for sense gratification. Therefore I think it not befitting an intelligent man to involve himself again in the activities of sense gratification by which he perpetually gets material bodies one after another.]\nThis body, although false or temporary, but when it is painful, I feel it. So how can I say it is false?\nSo everything created or given by God, we should not say it is false, but we should know that \"This is God gifted, it is God's possession, so I must utilize it for God's purpose.\" That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the knowledge of science of Kṛṣṇa. Everything... Nirbandhaḥ kṛṣṇa-sambandhe yuktaṁ vairāgyam ucyate. And,\nprāpañcikatayā buddhyā\nhari-sambandhi-vastunaḥ\nmumukṣubhiḥ parityāgo\nphalgu vairāgya kathyate\n[Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.258]\n[When one is not attached to anything but at the same time accepts anything in relation to Kṛṣṇa, one is rightly situated above possessiveness. On the other hand, one who rejects everything without knowledge of its relationship to Kṛṣṇa is not as complete in his renunciation.]\nVairāgya means renunciation, and phalgu means without any value, or little, very little. Why should we give up this world? But the process is that give up the idea of sense enjoyment. That is required. That is real renunciation. \"I shall not use it for my sense gratification. I shall utilize it for Kṛṣṇa's service.\" That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"He knows perfectly well that he is not this body but is the fragmental portion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is therefore not joyful in achieving something, nor does he lament in losing anything which is related to this body. This steadiness of mind is called sthira-buddhi, or self-intelligence.\"",
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"content": "\n Sthira-buddhi. Sthira means steady, and buddhi means intelligence.",
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"content": "\n \"He is therefore never bewildered by mistaking the gross body for the soul, nor does he accept the body as permanent and disregard the existence of the soul. This knowledge elevates him to the station of knowing the complete science of the Absolute Truth, namely Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. The complete knowledge, Absolute Truth, means to understand three features of the Absolute Truth. One feature is Brahman, impersonal. The next feature is Paramātmā, localized. And the next feature is Bhagavān, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. When one understands these three features of the Absolute Truth very perfectly, then he is in complete knowledge of the science of God. Brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate. \nIn the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is said that human life is meant for inquiring the Absolute Truth. And the next verse the Absolute Truth is explained, vadanti tat tattva-vidas tattvam [SB 1.2.11]. \n[Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān.]\nThose who are in knowledge of the Absolute Truth, they say, \"Absolute Truth, that thing which is nondual.\" Nondual. \"And that Absolute Truth is known in three phases.\" What is that? Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān. There is no difference between Brahman and Paramātmā or Bhagavān, the same thing.\nThe same example again: Just like the sunshine, the sun disc and the sun-god within the sun disk. They are the same thing, light. But there is difference of degrees. The light and temperature which you feel in the sunshine is different from the light and temperature in the sun disc. And the light or temperature in the sun disc is different from the light and temperature of the sun-god. But they are all light.\nSimilarly, Absolute Truth is one—light—but there are degrees. If you become attached to impersonal Brahman, you simply enjoy the eternity feature of the Absolute Truth. If you simply try to understand the Supersoul by meditation, then you realize the eternity and knowledge aspect of the Absolute Truth. But if you realize the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then you realize eternity, knowledge and bliss, three things.\nBecause without being connected with Kṛṣṇa, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, there is no possibility of enjoying transcendental bliss. In the impersonal Brahman you can remain there eternally. In Paramātmā you can have knowledge. But in Bhagavān you have eternity, knowledge and transcendental bliss.",
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"content": "\n \"He thus knows his constitutional position perfectly well without falsely trying to become one with the Supreme in all respects. This is called Brahman realization, or self-realization. Such steady consciousness is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Go on.",
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"content": "\n Verse 21: \"Such a liberated person is not attracted to material sense pleasure but is always in trance, enjoying the pleasure within. In this way the self-realized person enjoys unlimited happiness, for he concentrates on the Supreme.\"",
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"content": "\n There is a word ātmārāma, in Sanskrit. Ātmārāma means one who is satisfied with his self. He is called ātmārāma. Because self is the basic principle of this body, the soul, so one who is satisfied with his soul, he is called ātmārāma, or self-realized person. One who seeks pleasure externally, he is materialist, and one who seeks pleasure internally, he is spiritualist. That is the difference. Yes.",
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"content": "\n \"An intelligent person does not take part in the sources of misery, which are due to contact with the material senses. O son of Kuntī, such pleasures have a beginning and an end, and so the wise man does not delight in them.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Material pleasure is circumstantial, in contact with this body. Similarly material distress. So those who are ātmārāma, enjoying in the platform of soul, they are not concerned with this external pleasure and pain. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Verse 23: \"Before giving up this present body, if one is able to tolerate the urges of the material senses and check the force of desire and anger, he is a yogī and is happy in this world.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is the perfection of yoga practice. The yoga practice means one should be tolerant. According to yoga system there is a practice: In winter season they go deep into the water up to this. In cold winter they dip into the water up to this and meditate. And in scorching heat they, I mean to say, ignite fire all side and sit down in the midst and meditate. These are the processes. What is that? To learn toleration. Toleration.\nBut fortunately, we haven't got to do all these things. You see? [chuckles] We can chant very nicely in a nice room like this, with statues of Jagannātha, chanting and dancing, and derive thousand times greater and beneficial result than those practices. Besides that, if you try to imitate those practices, it is not possible at all. It may be possible for one or two person, but it cannot be practiced in a mass scale. But this practice of self-realization can be practiced by anyone, even by the children. Therefore it is universal self-realization process.\nAnd in this age Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore recommends, kalau—kalau means in this Age of Kali—nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva: there is no other process feasible. No other process. Any process of self-realization will be very, very difficult. But here is a process, even if you have nothing, you can simply... God has given you this tongue, and God has given you this ear. Simply sit down. If you cannot, I mean to say, utilize your tongue in chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, you simply sit down and let others chant, and you hear; you get the benefit. Who can give you more feasible program of self-realization than this?\nTherefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu's recommendation, \"There is no other alternative, no other alternative, no other alternative,\" is a fact. Kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā. Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāmaiva kevalam [Cc. Ādi 17.21]. \n[“’In this Age of Kali there is no other means, no other means, no other means for self-realization than chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name of Lord Hari.’]\nSimply chant and you get the result. And those who are chanting, those who have joined this movement, those who are seriously engaged, ask them how they are advancing, how they are realizing. The method is very simple.\nHmm. Go on.",
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"content": "\n Verse 24: \"One whose happiness is within, who is active within, and who rejoices within and is illumined within is actually the perfect mystic. He is liberated in the Supreme, and ultimately he attains the Supreme.\"",
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"content": "\n Within. Within means self-satisfied. Bhakti... How this process can give you that understanding within? How? One may question that \"How it is possible within?\" Yes, it is possible. The example is given by Gosvāmīs, that just like a hungry man, he wants some food, he's demanding some food, and if you give him nice food he eats, and with each morsel of food he realizes within that \"I am eating. I am getting strength. I am satisfied.\" Is it not? Similarly, you begin this Kṛṣṇa consciousness chanting, you will feel yourself, \"Yes. Yes, I am doing something. Yes, I am eating something. Yes, I am getting spiritual strength.\" Is it not a fact?\nActually, if somebody is disturbed, then it is to be understood that his disease is little more acute. Otherwise, in normal condition, if he chants and follows the regulation, then he will feel, \"Yes, I am doing something. I am getting something. I am getting strength. I am getting satisfaction. I am feeing I am spiritually advancing.\" These things will manifest automatically simply by chanting.",
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"content": "\n Verse 25: \"One who is beyond duality and doubt, whose mind is engaged within, who is always busy working for the welfare of all sentient beings and who is free from all sins achieves liberation in the Supreme.\"",
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"content": "\n Now, these things are very important things, \"whose mind is engaged within, who is always busy working for the welfare of all sentient beings.\" This chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa, it is welfare work for all sentient beings, even the worms, the microbes, the cockroaches. So many living entities are within this room. By hearing this vibration of Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra they will be getting also the result.\nThat is described in Caitanya-caritāmṛta. When Lord Caitanya questioned Haridāsa Ṭhākura about the efficacy of chanting, how he described? You will find it in the Teachings of Lord Caitanya. It is a fact. If you are chanting within this room, and if you find nobody is coming to participate in the kīrtana, don't be disappointed. There are many germs, worms, cockroaches within this room—they are being benefited. They are being benefited. You cannot find any place without any living entities. You just find out one hole, you will see hundreds of ants are coming out.\nSo living entities are in the air, in the water, in the holes—everywhere. And this vibration... Everyone, every living entity, has got this ear. So this sound is so powerful because it is spiritual that it will act even on the ants and the trees and the birds and the bees, what to speak of human being. It is so nice thing.\nSo those who are chanting... \"One who is always busy working.\" What is the busy-ness of these Kṛṣṇa conscious students? They are busy in chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, in distributing knowledge in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore they are doing the best welfare work in the world. Other welfare work will be finished as soon as this body is finished. But these welfare activities will not be finished. If one hears one day, one minute, one second this vibration of chanting, it will act someday. Therefore this is the best welfare activity in the human society.\n\"And who is free from all sins achieves liberation in the Supreme.\" So it is said that,\neka kṛṣṇa-nāme yata pāpa hare,\npāpī haya tata pāpa karibare nare\n[Prema-vivarta]. \nThe Kṛṣṇa name is so powerful transcendentally, spiritually, that if you chant once \"Kṛṣṇa,\" all your sinful activities, reaction, are immediately finished. One may say that \"He was not so sinful. He was little sinful; therefore it is finished.\" But this verse says that the vibration of \"Kṛṣṇa,\" this sound, has so much potency that it can finish the reaction of all sinful activities as you cannot perform in your various lives. Even if you are very expert in committing sinful activities, still, this will finish, provided it is chanted offenselessly. It has got the power.\nSo if we always chant... Suppose I am now freed from all sinful reaction. I may be attacked again. That is quite possible. I may be free from the disease but I may be attacked again by this disease. That is possible. But if you always keep yourself constantly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa—therefore we supply the beads and ask the student, \"Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa\"—then sinful activities cannot touch you. These are the processes. And if you keep yourself without being touched by the sinful activities, then one who does so achieves liberation in the Supreme. Then your liberation is guaranteed.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"Only a person who is fully in Kṛṣṇa consciousness can be said to be engaged in welfare work for all living entities.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. For all living entities. You can open a hospital for the human being, but where is your hospital for the tiger? Can any man open a hospital for the tigers, for the snakes? And why not? You are compassionate with living entities. Are they not living entities? This is the frailty of imperfect knowledge. They are giving protection..., the state is giving protection to the national, but the cows are not national; they should be killed. But the definition of national is that one who is born in that land is called national. Are the cows are not born in this land? Why for them killing, and only for the human being protection? This is imperfect, imperfect knowledge.\nSo whatever a man is doing, you will find some imperfectness. But this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is so nice that it has no imperfectness. It is all-perfect. It is for all living entities, not that I shall simply give protection to my brother, my sister or my father, but even to the lowest animal we shall give protection. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nTherefore, \"Only a person who is fully in Kṛṣṇa consciousness can be said to be engaged in welfare work for all living entities.\" Why discrimination? Why protect this and not that? That is imperfectness. The human society cannot give protection to all living entities, but here is a scheme which can give protection to all living entities.\nYes. Go on.",
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"content": "\n \"When a person is actually in the knowledge that Kṛṣṇa is the fountainhead of everything, then to act in that spirit is to act for everyone.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. If we can understand... Just like if you are affectionate to his father..., to your father, then you naturally become affectionate to your brother. They are preaching universal brotherhood, but \"Where is the father, sir?\" \"Oh, father is missing.\" Then where is the question of brotherhood? If you don't find your father, then how do you select your brother? These are the imperfectness. The... If you actually want to do something for your brother in universal brotherhood, first of all establish your relationship with father, which you have lost.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"The sufferings of humanity are due to forgetfulness of Kṛṣṇa as the supreme enjoyer.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Because we are forgotten of Kṛṣṇa, or God, therefore in your country you are throwing away so many tons of grains into the sea—because we have no connection with Kṛṣṇa. But if one thinks, \"Well, these grains are supplied by Kṛṣṇa, our father. Why it should be thrown into the sea? Let it be distributed to other countries where they are suffering for grains...\" But because want of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they cannot think like that. Therefore this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement should be taken very seriously to solve all the questions of the world. But they want to remain in ignorance, in darkness. Let us do our duty. What can be done?\nYes.",
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"content": "\n \"The sufferings of humanity are due to forgetfulness of Kṛṣṇa as the supreme enjoyer, the supreme proprietor and the supreme friend.\"",
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"content": "\n If I know Kṛṣṇa as the supreme proprietor, then how can I throw so many tons of grains into the water without asking the proprietor? But I do not know; I am thinking I am proprietor. That is nescience. That is ignorance, practical. Because I know..., I do not know who is the proprietor, therefore I am doing whimsically. But I will have to...\nSuppose if I do not know who is the proprietor of this building, if I do something harm to this building, does it mean that because I do not know who is the proprietor, I shall be free from the punishable law? No. I may think that there is no proprietor, but actually there is proprietor. I do not know.\nKṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram [Bg. 5.29]:\n[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]\n\"I am the supreme enjoyer. I am the proprietor of all planetary system.\" Suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānām: \"I am the friend of everyone. I am supplying the grains for all living entities. Why you are destroying it? You shall be punished.\"\nSo people do not see the effect of these abominable activities because they do not know Kṛṣṇa. But they will have to suffer the consequence. Time will come when there will be devastation, just like there was First War, Second War in Europe, and there was mass devastation. So these are the reaction because we do not know Kṛṣṇa. Therefore this movement is very important movement, every gentleman, every serious man to take to it. Yes.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Therefore to act to revive this consciousness...\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. It is simply want of consciousness. Just like a boy is not educated. He is given education just to give a consciousness, \"This is this. This is this.\" That's all. So therefore the whole movement should be to change the consciousness. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n \"Therefore to act to revive this consciousness within the entire human society is the highest welfare work.\"",
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"content": "\n One cannot be engaged in first-class welfare work without being liberated in the Supreme. A Kṛṣṇa conscious person has no doubt about the supremacy of Kṛṣṇa. He has no doubt because he is completely freed from all sins. This is the state of divine love.\n\"A person engaged only in administering to the physical welfare of human society cannot factually help anyone. Temporary relief of the external body and the mind of the living entity is not satisfactory. The real cause of his difficulties...\"",
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"content": "\n Just like in New York I have seen there is mental hospital, big mental hospital. What is that?",
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"content": "\n Bellevue. Simply building is increasing. Every year the building is increasing. What is that? The number of lunatic persons are increasing. You see? But they are under welfare activities. But they do not see that \"How much welfare I am doing? Why the patients are increasing?\" You see? \"Oh, we have increased the hospital.\" That means you increase the disease. They are very much proud of having a big hospital. [laughter] [laughs] Just see the ignorance. They are not sorry that \"Why so much big hospital? Why so much big prison house?\" The number of prisoners are increased.\nSo rascals are there in... engaged in welfare activities. You see? And they are in charge of welfare activities. I do not wish to criticize, but there are so many things, simply rascaldom—without Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Simply rascaldom. [indistinct] Yes.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"The real cause of his difficulties in the hard struggle for life may be found in his forgetfulness of his relationship with the Supreme Lord.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Just change the consciousness and everything will be clear. Just change the consciousness. Real treatment is to get him Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is real treatment. Yes.",
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"content": "\n \"When a man is fully conscious of his relationship with Kṛṣṇa, he is actually a liberated soul, although he may be in the material tabernacle.\"",
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"content": "\n That's all right. So please try to push on this movement as far as possible. That is our duty. [devotees pay obeisances] [pause]",
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"content": "\n But a snake, he doesn't have ears. A snake, he doesn't have ears.",
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"content": "\n No, they have got very nice ear. Yes. You do not know. [laughter] The snake... There is a statement, the snake, they can hear very nicely. The snakes are charmed by nice musical sound. Yes. The snake charmer in India, they sing very nicely, flute, and the snake comes and... [laughter] Like this. Immediately. I have seen. And when he comes, then they have got methods to capture the snake.\nAnd besides that, there is another example, of foolish man. The foolish men are compared like the frogs. The general example is that somebody is chanting or singing something. The example is that by such singing they are losing their duration of life. As the frog sings... Have you heard any sound of the frog? \"Ka-kara-kaa, ka-kara-kaa.\" You have heard? [laughter] Have you heard? Yes?\nSo what is the result of that sound? In rainy season the frogs, they sing very nicely. They like rainy season. \"Ka-kara-kaa, ka-kara-kaa, ka-kara-kaa,\" like that. The result is the snake can understand, \"Here is a frog.\" He stealthily comes, and immediately finishes \"ka-kara-kaa.\" [laughter] [laughs]\nSimilarly, anything vibration, except this chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they are like \"ka-kara-kaa.\" And the result is that one day Yamarāja, the superintendent of death, comes and captures: \"All right. Come on. That's all. Finished. Finish your 'ka-kara-kaa.' \" He might have been very great lecturer, politician, but when death comes, your \"ka-kara-kaa\" finished. Immediately \"ka-kara-kaa\" finished. You have seen. Your President, Mr. Kennedy, was going to lecture, or he finished some lecture, is going to another place and the \"ka-kara-kaa\" finished, immediately.\nSo we should be ready always that this \"ka-kara-kaa,\" this material vibration, this lecturing, this planning, at any moment can be finished. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. If you are finished, then you go to Vaikuṇṭha immediately. Don't be practicing \"ka-kara-kaa.\" Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Even if we are finished... We can be finished. We are... Now modern life is that we are traveling in aeroplane. It can be crashed at any moment.\nBut those who are ka-kara-kaa's, they'll be finished; and they are chanting, they will go to Vaikuṇṭha. Finishing will be there. It is not that because we are Kṛṣṇa conscious we will not be finished. The example is that you'll be captured by the mouth of a cat, but when the cat captures with its mouth, its kitties they feel very good pleasure. And when he captures a rat, oh, it finished.\nSimilarly, everyone will be captured by the laws of nature, but a devotee will be carried with great care to Vaikuṇṭha, and others will be thrown again into this material existence. But people will say, \"Oh, your devotee is also dying, and the nondevotee is dying,\" just like the foolish man. The cat is capturing in the mouth both the kitty and the rat. They are not same thing. Apparently it seems that the same thing, but it is not the same thing.\nKṛṣṇa says, tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti kaunteya [Bg. 4.9]:\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\n\"Just after finishing this body he does not come again to this material world. He goes directly to Me.\" So there must be death either of the devotee or of the nondevotee. But those who are devotees, constantly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they will be carried to Vaikuṇṭha, and others will come back to accept any form of body.\nTherefore the method should be that we should sadā tad-bhāva-bhāvitaḥ [Bg. 8.6]. \n[Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that state he will attain without fail.]\nTwenty-four hours, we shall remain in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Even death takes place, you are not loser. That's all. You are gainer here; you are gainer there, after death. Sādhu māro vā jīvo vā. Those who are sādhu, devotees, they either live or die—their benefit is there. When they live, they chant, dance, and eat Kṛṣṇa prasāda, enjoy, and when they die, they go to Kṛṣṇa. That's all. Where is the loss? There is no loss. So keep yourself sādhu. Sādhu. Sādhu means saintly.\nAnd who is a saintly? That is also described in Bhagavad-gītā. Api cet sudurācāro bhajate mām ananya-bhāk, sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ [Bg. 9.30]. \n[Even if one commits the most abominable actions, if he is engaged in devotional service, he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated.]\nA person who is constantly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is sādhu; he is saintly person. Sādhur eva sa mantavya. Even if you see sometimes that he is doing something which is not very good, but still, because he has kept himself tight in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is sādhu, he is saintly person. These things are..., you will find in the Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo try to keep yourself always in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then you are safe in any circumstance. So we should mold our life in such a way that we cannot go out of the orbit of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Always thinking of Kṛṣṇa, that's all. Either you become a carpenter of the temple, or a gardener of the temple, or a cooker of the temple, or a typewriter of the temple, or a tape recorder of the temple—anything, because it is in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, therefore you are safe, because you are thinking of Kṛṣṇa. That is required, sadā tad-bhāva-bhāvitaḥ [Bg. 8.6]\n[Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that state he will attain without fail.]\nAlways thinking of Kṛṣṇa, any way, this way or that way. That is meditation; that is trance; that is everything. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, when the living entity, when the jīva leaves the body at death, is there any interim period before it takes up another body, or does it happen immediately?",
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"content": "\n ...many thousands of years before, Ṛṣabhadeva... He is accepted as the incarnation of Godhead, king, or emperor of the world. He instructed His sons. He had one hundred sons, and He was... Before retiring from His family life, He wanted to install His eldest son, Mahārāja Bharata, on the throne. And before retiring He was instructing His other sons as [indistinct].\nMahārāja Bharata was a great king, and after his name, India is called Bhārata-varṣa. [break] This planet is..., was known before that as Ilāvṛta-varṣa, and after Mahārāja Bharata ruled, this planet was known as Bhārata-varṣa. Gradually, the planet was divided into so many other states. Now Bhārata-varṣa means a small piece of land known as India.\nAnyway, the king of this planet, Ṛṣabhadeva, was instructing His sons as follows:\nnāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke\nkaṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye\ntapo divyaṁ putrakā yena sattvaṁ\nśuddhyed yasmād brahma-saukhyaṁ tv anantam\n[SB 5.5.1]\n[Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one's heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever.]\nHe's instructing, \"My dear sons, this human form of body is not to be wasted like cats and dogs.\" What is that? How this body is wasted like cats and dogs? Now, kaṣṭān kāmān. Kāmān means sense gratification. So with hard labor, ultimate end of hard laboring is sense gratification.\nNow, not only in your country, but also in all other countries at the present moment, everyone is trying to make economic development. What is that economic development you have got very good idea: industrialization, high standard of living and so many other things. But the end is sense gratification. The purpose of economic development... It is wonderful for us. We are Indian. When we see... When I was in Los Angeles, there is a freeway. So eight lines of cars running in seventy miles speed this way, and eight miles of lines running cars on the opposite side.\nAnd unfortunately, one day we had one car which was running at thirty-five miles only, and our Gaurasundara was driving. [chuckling] Immediately he was arrested by the police. Not exactly arrested—stopped. That means you cannot run your car in this way, thirty-five miles speed. So now from impartial point of view, if we study why people are running in this way and that way, what is the ultimate goal? If we calculate very..., in cool head, the ultimate goal is sense gratification. That's all.\nSo however busy we may be, however intelligent we may be, however advanced we may be in material civilization, the real point is sense gratification. I have seen in the Times Square in New York, there are so many advertisement for sense gratification, advertising, \"Here you'll have nice girls. Come on,\" like that. Freely written, and some naked picture. And so many theaters. The whole idea is sense gratification. That's all.\nṚṣabhadeva... It is not new. This is very old-fashioned. This sense-gratificatory process is current in all other planets, even which we call the demigods' planet, heavenly planet, the moon planet, the sun planet—everywhere. From the highest planet, Brahmaloka, down to the, what is called, Pātālaloka... There are different Sanskrit names of different planets. Everywhere in this material world is..., the ultimate point is sense gratification. That's all.\nSo Ṛṣabhadeva is pointing out that this sense gratification problem or desire or propensity is there even in the hogs and dogs. Therefore He says, distinguishing the human form of life from the life of lowest class of animals, that He says ayaṁ deha, \"this body.\" Na ayaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke. Nṛloke means in the human society. Everyone has got body. The dog has body, the cat has body, the tiger has body, the bird has body. Everyone has got body. Similarly, we have also got body. Therefore He is warning, \"My dear sons, in this body the aim of life should not be sense gratification after so much trouble.\"\nIf the point is sense gratification, then why so much, I mean to say, manifestation of economic development? Do you think that those who are not fortunate to have these flyways or motorcars or a skyscraper building... Take, for example, the most aborigines, the most uncivilized nation somewhere in Africa or any other parts of the world. Are they not sense-gratifying? The dogs and hogs, they are not sense-gratifying? So if the ultimate aim of life is simply sense gratification, then why should we take so much trouble?\nThere is a very nice story—these are very instructive story from Bhāgavata. There was a very nice prostitute. Her fee was, if anyone wants to visit that prostitute, she was charging one hundred thousands of, what is called, diamond pieces. Diamonds, you can understand, one diamond piece is at least five hundred dollars. So she used to charge, \"If somebody wants to visit my house, then he must pay one hundred thousand pieces of diamond.\"\nSo there were rich men. For sense gratification she was being paid. But one poor man and diseased man, so he had his very faithful wife. Although he was very poor and diseased, his wife was serving him very nicely. The husband could not work because he was diseased, and the wife was working, and, I mean to say, maintaining her husband, herself. Fortunately she had no children. But the husband was always morose.\nNow the wife is asking, \"My dear husband, I am trying to satisfy you in so many ways, working myself and cooking for you, giving you foodstuff, and I am getting you bathed and everything. Why you are so morose?\" So he was hesitating to disclose his mind. When she insisted that \"You disclose. Why you are sorry? Then I shall try to satisfy you...\"\n[aside:] Come on.\n...so he disclosed his mind. What is that? \"I want to visit that prostitute.\" Just see. He is poor man and [chuckling] he is diseased. Just see how much this lust and sense gratification is strong. He was thinking of going to that prostitute, and he disclosed his mind to his wife.\nWife was very faithful. She wanted to satisfy her husband. So she promised, \"My dear husband, I shall try my best to take you to that prostitute.\" \"Oh, where you'll get one hundred thousand pieces of diamond?\" \"All right. I shall see to it.\" Then she went to the prostitute's house, and without her permission she was washing her dishes, her clothes and, I mean to say, sweeping the rooms and everything. The prostitute asked, \"Who are you? You are coming. You are not charging anything. You are not asking anything. What do you want?\" \"I shall tell you.\"\nSo in this way, when she was daily asking that \"What is your mind? You tell me. You are very nice woman. You are, for nothing you are working for me. I must something do for you.\" Then she disclosed her mind: \"My dear lady, I am very poor man [woman], but my husband, he is diseased and he has no money, but he wants to visit you.\" So the woman could understand. She said, \"Yes. You can bring your husband on the..., on such-and-such date.\" So she was very glad and told her husband that \"I have fixed up, appointed a date. You shall be able to go.\" Oh, he was very glad.\nNow, when the man visited the prostitute's house, she received the man. In India it is system that when you receive a gentleman or lady you must give him sumptuously to eat. So there was many palatable dishes served to the man, and each vegetable and each preparation was put in two pots—one in iron pots and one in golden pots. So he was eating. Now this man asked the prostitute, \"Well, you have given me the same preparation in two pots: one in gold pot and one in iron pot. Why? What is the idea?\" So she said that \"First of all taste it. Then I shall disclose what is the idea.\" So he was tasting, eating. Then the prostitute asked him, \"How do you like?\" \"Oh, it is very nice.\" Then, \"Is there any different taste in the golden pot?\" \"No. Same taste.\" \"And the iron pot?\" \"Oh, the same taste.\"\nSo she replied at that time that \"You are so rascal that you want to gratify your senses, but you do not know that sense gratification in poor wife or rich wife is the same. There is no difference of taste, so why you are after a woman by paying this one hundred thousands of jewels?\"\n[break] The idea is... This story is very instructive, and it is mentioned in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. The idea is the same thing...\n[break] ...sense gratification is the ultimate aim of life, then why so much hard trouble for decorating the process of sense gratification? Why wasting so much time for decorating?\nSo Ṛṣabhadeva is asking that sense gratification, there is necessity, because we have got senses. But not with too much trouble, accepting too much trouble in the name of economic development. Because our time is very valuable. If we want to utilize our short duration of life which we have got at our disposal, we must utilize it for self-realization, not for unnecessarily increasing the necessities of bodily wants. This is not a good type of civilization, simply wasting time for sense gratification. Time should be utilized for greater advantage.\nCāṇakya Paṇḍita says that āyuṣaḥ kṣaṇa eko 'pi na labhyaḥ svarṇa-koṭibhiḥ.\n[Even one moment of life spent cannot be regained for millions of gold coins. Therefore, what greater loss is there than time spent uselessly?]\nYou know... In your country I have seen many tablets, \"Time is money.\" Yes, actually time is very valuable, but we do not know how to utilize this time. That is the mistake of this present civilization. Time should not be, I mean to say, wasted simply for sense gratification. So far the problem of sense gratification is there, it should be minimized. It should not be increased. Minimized.\nJust like according to Vedic system there are brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa—four divisions of the society. Brahmacārī, vānaprastha... Brahmacārī means student life, vānaprastha means retired life and sannyāsa means renounced life. For them the minimum necessities of life is prescribed. And they should be automatically minimum, because they are ordered to beg from door to door and live. The brahmacārī is meant for begging.\nNow, no beggar can live very luxuriantly. That is not possible. It is not possible. So if a beggar goes somebody's house, \"Mother, give me some alms,\" so it is not that one is awarding some hundred thousands of rupees or dollars. So naturally, they have minimized their... Only little luxury or, I mean to say, high standard of life is allowed to the gṛhasthas, according to Vedic system, and the three other sections of the society, they should minimize. Why minimize? Because the idea is not to waste time unnecessarily. Unnecessarily.\nAfter all, either you live very high standard of life or low standard of life... There is no question of low standard of life. The proper upkeep of health is cleanliness. If you keep yourself clean, then your, I mean to say, problem of health is solved. Simply cleanliness. \"Cleanliness is next to godliness.\" That is also an English proverb. And in Sanskrit literature also, bāhyābhyantara-śuciḥ [Garuḍa Purāṇa]: \"One should be cleansed within and without.\"\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\nSo without, you can clean yourself simply by water. By the laws of nature you have got enough water so you can cleanse yourself outside by water. There is no necessity of soap. There is no necessity of anything. Simply if you wash your body with water sufficiently. Of course, in your country it is cold country. In India, common people, they go to the river and take bath very nicely, because it is a tropical climate; there is no trouble. So you can cleanse your body.\nThere are many saintly person residing on the bank of the river Ganges. Early in the morning they cleanse the body. They go to evacuate on the field. After evacuating they come to the river, cleanse the body very nicely, and smear the body with the clay received from the river, and they sit down at a place and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa—whole day. They don't care for whether they have got to eat or not to eat. By God's grace somebody is coming, somebody is giving something, somebody is giving something. Just like in your country also you are offering, somebody is offering food, somebody is offering something.\nSo there is arrangement by God's law, everyone shall eat. It is not that... You have never seen any animal or any bird has died for starvation. No. There is no starvation in the law of God. Everyone has food. Viṣayaḥ khalu sarvataḥ syāt [SB 11.9.29].\n[After many, many births and deaths one achieves the rare human form of life, which, although temporary, affords one the opportunity to attain the highest perfection. Thus a sober human being should quickly endeavor for the ultimate perfection of life as long as his body, which is always subject to death, has not fallen down and died. After all, sense gratification is available even in the most abominable species of life, whereas Kṛṣṇa consciousness is possible only for a human being.]\nBy the laws of nature, by God's order, everyone has, I mean to say, provision for four things. What is that? Eating, shelter and sense gratification and defense. Āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithunaṁ ca [Hitopadeśa 25].\n[Both animals and men share the activities of eating, sleeping, mating and defending. But the special property of the humans is that they are able to engage in spiritual life. Therefore without spiritual life, humans are on the level of animals.]\nThis is secure. Everyone. If you see a bird, bird's life... By nature, one bird has got another mate. A male and female, they are together. Anywhere you go: a tiger, a tigress; a dog, a she-dog; a hog, a she-hog. So these are not problems. Here also, anyone: a boy, a girl; a man, woman, there is. So the arrangement is there. That is not problem.\nSo we should be satisfied. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness means whatever is received through the mercy of God, we should be satisfied. That's all. Therefore we prescribe that our students should be married. Because that is a problem. Sex life is a problem. So this marriage in every society, either Hindu society or Christian society or Muhammadan, marriage is done under religious rituals. That means one should be satisfied: \"Oh, God has sent me this man as my husband.\" And the man should think that \"God has sent me this woman, this nice woman, as my wife. Let us live peacefully.\" But if I want, \"Oh, this wife is not good. That girl is nice,\" \"This man is not good. That man is good,\" then the whole thing is spoiled. Whole thing is spoiled.\nBecause these demands are there, sense gratification. On the basis of sense gratification, \"I don't like this girl. I like that girl,\" \"I don't like this boy. I like that boy,\" that means sense gratification...\n[break] Otherwise, the sense gratification... As I have already cited the example, the prostitute gave two pots of vegetable, that \"You are thinking that you shall enjoy this woman who is charging one million dollars, or like that, the sense pleasure from this woman will be greater than the other woman. It is mistake.\" The sense pleasure is the same, either you derive it from this man or that man or this woman or that man.\nSo if our Kṛṣṇa consciousness improves, then we may be satisfied whatever is kṛṣṇa-prasāda. That's Kṛṣṇa cons... Whatever Kṛṣṇa has offered me, that is sufficient; no more. Then your problem of sense gratification is solved. Similarly, your bread problem is solved, your apartment problem is solved. If you make your life very simple and shortcut, then the balance time you can utilize for Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is the program. This is the program of Vedic civilization.\nYou'll find great scholars, Vyāsadeva... There is no, I mean, the comparison of his scholarship, how many... Now, this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, he has written eighteen thousand verses. And not only Śrīmad-... He has written eighteen Purāṇas. Out of eighteen Purāṇas, the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is one Purāṇa. And in one Purāṇa you'll find eighteen thousand verses, and each and every word is so meaningful that you study throughout your whole life, oh, still you'll find refreshed.\nWhy this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam? There is Mahābhārata. And out of the Mahābhārata, the Bhagavad-gītā is only one chapter, seven hundred verses. Such a great scholar was living in a cottage. You see? Not only that. He was, of course, brāhmaṇa, he was saintly... But he was family man. He had his wife, he had his children.\nSimilarly, you'll find the history of Cāṇakya Paṇḍita. He was a great politician, prime minister of Emperor Candragupta. Those who have read history of India, they know it. The Candragupta was during the time of Alexander the Selkar[?] in Greece. He also visited India to conquer. That history is there. So at that time Candragupta was the emperor of India, and he had his prime minister Cāṇakya Paṇḍita. And he was not charging a farthing. And he was vastly learned man. You see?\nHis politics is studied in the M.A. class in Indian university. And those who are the students of politics, they might have known this gentleman's name, Cāṇakya Paṇḍita. And in India, New Delhi, there is a quarter where foreign ambassadors are supplied place. So that quarter is known as Chanakyapuri. Chanakyapuri. Because he was politician, under his name that place is ascertained Chanakyapuri.\nSo the prime minister, the great scholar, the great scientist, they used to live in a cottage. They gave us so much contribution how to make scientific advancement. Because the brāhmaṇas, they were meant not for material enjoyment. Simply for... Therefore four classes. Only the kṣatriyas and vaiśyas were meant for economic development.\nSo the whole idea here is expressed by Ṛṣabhadeva. \"My dear sons,\" ayaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke kaṣṭān kāmān na arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye, \"you should distinguish yourself from the hogs and dogs, that simply for sense gratification, this life is not meant for working very hard.\" That is the modern civilization. Not only here... Now, every..., the whole material world, history is like that. People are after sense gratification.\n[aside:] Come on.\nSo Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, a great commentator on Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, is explaining this verse that kaṣṭān, kaṣṭa-pradan kāmam yoṣit-darśana-sparśanadim na arhate naivarhati iti.[?] Kāmān. He has plainly explained that kāma, sense gratification, means to see woman with lust or to touch woman with lust. That is called kāma, or sense gratification.\nSo this is natural. Materialistic life means whenever there is some beautiful woman or girl, it is natural. It is not... One sense, it is not bad, because it is natural. There is a very nice verse written by Rūpa Gosvāmī. He is explaining, yuvatīnāṁ yathā yūni yūnāṁ yathā yuvatau. [Viṣṇu Purāṇa 1.20.19]\n[Just as the minds of young girls take pleasure in young boys, and young boys take pleasure in young girls, kindly allow my mind to take pleasure in You alone.]\nYuvatī means young girl, and yūna means young boy. So he is expressing his desire, \"My dear Lord, as a young boy has got natural affection for a young girl, or a young girl has got a natural affection for a young boy...\" Spontaneously. It is not to be taught or to be educated in the schools and colleges. Spontaneously the attraction is there. \"...how my attraction for You will be like that, spontaneous?\" It is a very nice example.\nSo this attraction for man or woman is called kāma. Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura says that this has to be controlled. This has to be controlled. That is the distinction between human life and animal life. Animal life, they are still controlled, but human life, being so-called advanced in civilization, they have no control. You'll be surprised that lion... These examples are given in the śāstras. It is not that the animal-eaters or meat-eaters have got more passion than the vegetable-eaters. No.\nThe example is given there is the śāstra, comparison between lion and the pigeons. The pigeons are vegetarian. They simply eat grains. And the lions, they eat only meat and flesh. So... But still, in spite the lion's eating flesh, he has got only one sex appetite, once in a year. But the vegetarian, the pigeon, although eating grains, oh, at least hundred times daily. You see?\nSo it is not that the vegetarians are less passionate than the animal-eaters or flesh-eaters. Nature's codes are different. It can be controlled. But human consciousness, this control is, I mean to say, practiced from the brahmacārī life. Because the... Unless we control our sex life, there is very little possibility of advancing in spiritual consciousness.\nBecause spiritual perfection means to stop the transmigration of the soul from one body to another. That is real spiritual perfection: stopping; stopping the soul, the spirit soul, transmigrating. This process is going on. Ei rūpe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān jīva [Cc. \nMadhya\n 19.151].\n[“According to their karma, all living entities are wandering throughout the entire universe. Some of them are being elevated to the upper planetary systems, and some are going down into the lower planetary systems. Out of many millions of wandering living entities, one who is very fortunate gets an opportunity to associate with a bona fide spiritual master by the grace of Kṛṣṇa. By the mercy of both Kṛṣṇa and the spiritual master, such a person receives the seed of the creeper of devotional service.]\nLord Caitanya says that each and every spirit soul is just wandering throughout the whole universe from one planet to another, one body to another. This business is going on. But the basic principle of that continued transmigration is sex life or sense gratification. Anyway, so long we have got a pinch of sense gratification we have to take birth in any form or any shape within this material world. When we shall be actually disgusted, \"No more material sense gratification,\" then you are brahma-bhūta [Bg. 18.54], you are eligible to enter into the spiritual world.\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nThat is the whole process. Therefore if we are at all interested... And that interest must be there in human life; otherwise it is spoiling. That is the problem, that no more transmigration from one body to another. That problem can be solved in this human form of life. Therefore Ṛṣabhadeva advises His sons, \"My dear sons, to work very, very hard simply for sense gratification is not the business of human form of life.\" Nāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke.\nThen what it is meant for? The next line He says that tapo. Tapo means austerity. Austerity. What is that austerity? The austerity is to follow the rules and regulation by which one can elevate himself to the spiritual platform. That is required. In human... Either you practice yoga or haṭha-yoga or jñāna-yoga or dhyāna-yoga or karma-yoga or... Everything is yoga.\nAs I explained last night in the meeting in the church, that yoga is one staircase to reach to the perfection of spiritual realization, and there are many steps. Just like haṭha-yoga, dhyāna-yoga, jñāna-yoga, there are many steps. But the perfectional stage is bhakti-yoga. The perfectional stage is bhakti-yoga. That should be the aim of life.\nBut people do not know it that what is the aim of life. The aim of life is self-realization, and to understand and to know and to reestablish our lost relationship with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That should be the aim of life. Therefore it requires tapo. Tapo means voluntarily accepting some penances. Just like I am inclined for sense gratification, and tapasya means voluntarily avoid too much sense gratification.\nThe śāstra does not stop sense gratification. Āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithuna. If the nature law allows sense gratification to the lower animals, birds and beast, why not to the man? But it should be controlled. Tapasya.\nSo this is also tapasya. Just like if one man is satisfied with one man..., one woman, or one woman is satisfied with one man and live peacefully, that is tapasya. Because natural inclination is that \"I want to enjoy that man or that woman.\" But if you can control that you be satisfied with woman or with one woman, that is called tapasya. That is austerity. That is, voluntarily, you are restraining himself. Tapasya means voluntary restraint.\nIn India, still, the system is followed in conservative families that a widow cannot marry. There is no widow marriage in India. They, the... Manu-saṁhitā, the law-givers, the saintly persons, Manu-saṁhitā... Why widow marriage is prohibited? The idea is generally, everywhere, in all countries, the female population is greater than the male population. So the idea is that she has become widow. She was once married. Now if again she is married, the another virgin girl, she does not get the chance of being married. Therefore there is no widow marriage according to Hindu scripture.\nAnd a man is allowed, if he is, I mean to say, able man, he can marry more than one wife. Not that simply marry. To get more than one wife does not mean sense enjoyment. The wife must be maintained very respectfully. She must have good house, good ornaments, good food, good servants, good children. Then one can marry. Not that simply for sense gratification.\nJust like Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa married sixteen thousand wives. And sixteen thousand wives, sixteen thousand palaces. And each wife, ten children. And Nārada wanted to see how Kṛṣṇa is managing these sixteen thousand wives. He wanted to visit each and every palace, and he saw that everywhere Kṛṣṇa is present. That means not that He remained one and there were sixteen thousand. Because there were sixteen thousand wives, so with each and every wife He was present. That is God. He can expand Himself. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilātma-bhūtaḥ [Bs. 5.37]. \n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, residing in His own realm, Goloka, with Rādhā, resembling His own spiritual figure, the embodiment of the ecstatic potency possessed of the sixty-four artistic activities, in the company of Her confidantes [sakhīs], embodiments of the extensions of Her bodily form, permeated and vitalized by His ever-blissful spiritual rasa.]\nAkhilātma-bhūtaḥ. He is all-pervading. Why sixteen thousand wives? If He's omnipotent, all-powerful, then sixteen millions of wives also insufficient for Him. So the program of sense gratification should be minimized, and that is called tapasya. The program of sense gratification should be minimized, and that is called tapasya, tapo. Tapo divyam [SB 5.5.1].\n[Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one's heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever.]\nThen, \"Why I shall minimize my sense gratification? If I have got opportunity, I must utilize it to the best of my capacity.\" That is being done not only now; every time. No. You have to do it: divyam, for self-realization, for God-realization. You have to save your time. Tapo divyaṁ putrakā. And what is the purpose of that self-realization, or God-realization? That is yena sattvaṁ śuddhyet. Then your existence will be purified.\nWhat is the necessity of purifying my existence? Yena sattvaṁ śuddhyed yasmāt. If you purify your existence, then yasmād brahma-saukhyam [SB 5.5.1], you'll relish unlimited pleasure. You are after now temporary pleasure by sense gratification, but in this life, in this human form of life, if you control your sense gratification and utilize the time for self-realization, so as soon as you are self-realized man or Brahman-realized man, then your happiness is unlimited.\nYou are after happiness. Your sense gratification means you are after happiness, but this happiness is temporary. Any material happiness, it has no continuity. It has got limit. But if you want... But my desire is to have unlimited happiness, unlimited life, unlimited knowledge. If you want that, so try this life, this human form of life. Don't waste it simply after sense gratification, but practice austerity.\nMinimize your sense gratification. Be satisfied whatever is offered by nature or by God. We don't... Not complete abstinence, but regulate it, and the balance time utilize for self-realization. Then your perfection will be there by which you'll live eternally, you will enjoy eternally and your knowledge will be unlimited.\nSo Ṛṣabhadeva instructed in this way. It is very instructive chapter, if you continue to understand this instruction of Ṛṣabhadeva. Now we have only read one verse. The next verse is that mahat-sevāṁ dvāram āhur vimukteḥ [SB 5.5.2]. \n[One can attain the path of liberation from material bondage only by rendering service to highly advanced spiritual personalities. These personalities are impersonalists and devotees. Whether one wants to merge into the Lord's existence or wants to associate with the Personality of Godhead, one should render service to the mahātmās. For those who are not interested in such activities, who associate with people fond of women and sex, the path to hell is wide open. The mahātmās are equipoised. They do not see any difference between one living entity and another. They are very peaceful and are fully engaged in devotional service. They are devoid of anger, and they work for the benefit of everyone. They do not behave in any abominable way. Such people are known as mahātmās.]\nMahat-sevā. If you want this platform of self-realization, or spiritual life, then your engagement should be mahat-sevā, to serve a great soul, to associate with great soul. Then that will be possible. We shall discuss this next śloka, mahat-sevā. Who is mahat, who is great soul, how to serve, everything we shall discuss next meeting.\nThank you very much. Any questions? Any question?\n[break] You have got intelligence, you have got brain. If there is any doubt, whatever is spoken... It is not dogmatic, I mean to say, pushing, or thrashing something. No. It is scientific and reasonable, whatever is said in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Amalaṁ purāṇam. It is spotless. Nobody can find any fault. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam amalaṁ purāṇam. Amalam means spotless. Yes.",
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"content": "\n You gave us some diet that we should follow. We shouldn't have meat, eggs, fish and chicken and that. Can we eat cheese? I mean, is everything else possible? Can we eat anything else that isn't fish..., meat, fish, eggs and chicken? Is there anything else we should not eat in our diet?",
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"content": "\n Our program is to eat kṛṣṇa-prasāda.",
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"content": "\n I know, but I mean if we're not in a position, like we're away from... Like we're on the road at lunchtime or something.",
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"content": "\n Lunchtime you can eat bread, butter, fruit, milk. There are so many things. Then, dry fruits. So there are so many. God has supplied... Your country is, by God's grace, you have got sufficient foodstuff. You can use potato, vegetables.",
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"content": "\n Cheese?",
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"content": "\n Cheese also. Cheese is milk preparation. You can eat. And offer it to Kṛṣṇa, that \"Kṛṣṇa, these things are supplied by You. Kindly You taste it, then I'll take.\" You can do that everywhere. Kṛṣṇa is everywhere. At least we should acknowledge that everything is sent by Kṛṣṇa, or God.\nThat is a fact. Kṛṣṇa's laws or nature's law is so nice that a cow is eating grass and producing milk. Now, if you think that grass is the cause of milk, then you are mistaken. It is the laws of Kṛṣṇa that transforms grass into milk. If you eat..., you eat grass, then you'll die. But the cow, she is eating grass... That also not supplied by your factory.\nThe grass is produced by nature's way. And she is eating that grass and supplying the most nutritious food—milk—and in exchange you are cutting throat. How you can be happy? Such an innocent animal. She is eating grass supplied by God, and instead of grass, if you think that \"She is eating grass from the land, American land or my land. She must give me something,\" oh, she's supplying milk. So what reason there is?\nSo if we human being, if we forget even ordinary mercy, compassion and gratefulness, then what is that human life? And then from national point of view... National means one who is born in this land. The cow is also born in this land. So why the man should be given protection, not the cow? But according to Vedic civilization you see. You have read in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, I explained: Oh, one man was going to kill one cow. Immediately Mahārāja Parīkṣit took his sword, \"Oh, you are trying to kill cow in my kingdom? I shall immediately kill you.\" The special protection, brāhmaṇas and cow.\nYou know, we offer Kṛṣṇa obeisances, namo brahmaṇya-devāya go-brāhmaṇa-hitāya ca: \"Kṛṣṇa, You are the leader of brahminical civilization,\" the purest civilization. Namo brahmaṇya-devāya go-brāhmaṇa-hitāya ca. \"You are the well-wisher of cows and the brāhmaṇas.\" Why special stress is given to the words go and brāhmaṇa, cows and brāhmaṇas? Then he said, jagad-dhitāya. Means \"After being, first, being well-wisher to the cows and brāhmaṇas, then You are well-wisher of this general world.\" Jagad-dhitāya kṛṣṇāya govindāya namo namaḥ. This is the prayer, namo brahmaṇya-devāya.\nSo why this specific stress has been given to the cows and brāhmaṇas? Just see Kṛṣṇa's picture, how He's loving the cow. You see? He is instructing by His practical life how He is compassionate with the cows. He played as a cowherd boy. Why? Because if in human society these two things are neglected, cows and the brāhmaṇa, that is animal society. Animal society. That is not human society. That is the idea.\nBecause the brāhmaṇas, they will give you good information of spiritual life, and cows will give you the best food you can have within this material world. That is the real interpretation of go-brāhmaṇa-hitāya ca. If you have simply a cow and... The great sages, just see. A child born, it lives simply on cow's milk. First of all, mother's milk. Milk for six months. Then when it is a little grown up, you simply give her sufficient milk, oh, she'll be very stout and strong. Then supply it little grains, fruits. That's all.\nSo we have got many foodstuff in the vegetarian kingdom, and Kṛṣṇa asks you that patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati [Bg. 9.26]\n[If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.]\n\"Anyone who is offering Me...\" This is universal. Patram means a leaf. Just like a leaf. Puṣpam, a flower. And patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalam. Phalam means a fruit. And toyam means water. So any poor man can offer Kṛṣṇa. There is no need of, I mean to say, luxuriant foodstuff, but it is meant for the poorest man. The poorest of the poor men can secure these four things—a little leaf, a little flower, a little fruit and little water. Any part of the world. Therefore He is prescribing, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati: \"Anyone who offers Me with love and devotion...\" Tad ahaṁ bhakty-upahṛtam. \"Because it is brought to Me with love and devotion,\" aśnāmi, \"I eat.\"\nKṛṣṇa is not hungry, neither He is poor. But the main thing is bhaktyā, devotion and love. So whatever you offer Kṛṣṇa with devotional love within this group as prescribed by Him, Kṛṣṇa accepts. So you can offer anywhere. It does not matter that you have to offer in temple. Kṛṣṇa is everywhere. So you offer and eat that. This cauliflower is also fruit..., er, flower. This is also flower. [chuckles] And potato is fruit. Fruit, flower. Yes\nSo any other question? Yes?",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī? Why is it that in the mornings and the evenings we say bells before the Deity?",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\nIn the mornings and the evenings we say bells before the Deity?",
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"content": "\nBells?",
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"content": "\n Prayers. Bells.",
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"content": "\n Oh, that is ceremonial. Yes. When you offer something to Kṛṣṇa in the temple, the system is that you offer with bell. That bell offering worship, even in Christian world there is bell, church bell. So that is system everywhere. Only in Muhammadan religion they don't allow any sound. Yes. But Hindu religion or in other religion there is sound. Sound vibration. Our whole process is sound vibration. The Muhammadans, they offer silent prayer. That is also prescribed in devotional service.",
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"content": "\n Did Kṛṣṇa invent Rādhā for His own pleasure?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Not invent. Kṛṣṇa has nothing to invent. Everything is there. \"Invent\" means what was not in Him.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] created?",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes. No. It is not like that. It is always there, and then manifested. His energy manifested. It is for our understanding. Rādhā is always manifest constantly, but because we want to say that Kṛṣṇa is the source of everything, so He is also source of Rādhā. Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]. \n[O my Lord, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmājī, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth.]\nAnd another meaning is... That is explained by Gosvāmī, that Rādhā is not an ordinary woman. If somebody thinks, \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa and Rādhā, They're side by side just like a boy and girl,\" no. If Kṛṣṇa is transcendental whole spirit, similarly the Rādhā or His expansion, Her expansion... It is explained in the Brahma-saṁhitā, \nānanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhāvitābhis tābhir\nya eva nija-rūpatayā kalābhiḥ\n[Bs. 5.37]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, residing in His own realm, Goloka, with Rādhā, resembling His own spiritual figure, the embodiment of the ecstatic potency possessed of the sixty-four artistic activities, in the company of Her confidantes [sakhīs], embodiments of the extensions of Her bodily form, permeated and vitalized by His ever-blissful spiritual rasa.]\nThis is expansion of the quintessence of spiritual energy, ānanda-cinmaya. Ānanda means blissful, and cinmaya means spiritual. So all kṛṣṇa-līlā, all Kṛṣṇa's activities, they are manifestation of His spiritual internal potency. You understood this?",
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"content": "\n Yes. But what I wanted within that... Did She have to become transcendence? Does She have to...",
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"content": "\n No. She is already transcendental.",
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"content": "\n She's always transcendental.",
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"content": "\n She hasn't got to become. Become means... Nobody become. Become means... Just like to become healthy. To become healthy is a thing..., not that the man was not healthy. He has fallen diseased. You understand? When I say to become healthy, to become healthy does not mean that he was not healthy. He was healthy. Somehow or other, he is now diseased. So the \"become\" is applicable to the diseased or to the condition, not to the original.\nSo Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa or His expansions, They're original spirit. We are also original spirit. In contact with matter we are now diseased; therefore \"to become\" is applicable to the conditioned soul, not to the liberated. \"To become...\" The past, present and future is applicable within this dual world. In the spiritual world there is no past, present, future. There it is eternal. So \"become\" is applicable to us who are conditioned. Conditioned means by contamination of matter we are suffering. So we have to go to the healthy life, spiritual life. That is required.\n\"To become\" is not applicable to anything of Kṛṣṇa's name, fame, form, paraphernalia, expansion. They are all transcendental and eternal. And you can also become one of them as soon as you are freed from this material contamination. That is practice of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama [Bg. 15.6].\n[That abode of Mine is not illumined by the sun or moon, nor by electricity. One who reaches it never returns to this material world.]\nIf you practice Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and at the end of life if you continue, the next life you also become brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā [Bg. 18.54].\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nYou also associate with the same. And there will be no distinction at that time—either Kṛṣṇa and Rādhā or all expansions—because They are all spiritual. Oneness. That oneness. Your question was that the oneness. Because there is no disagreement, there is no dissension. Everything is in harmony, spiritual harmony; therefore one.\nAny other question? You have any question? No? All right. [pause]",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī? When we ring bells especially for the Deities at 6:30, does that put Them to sleep then?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. Not six-thirty. One and a half hour before sunrise.",
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"content": "\n Oh. So we should say prayers in the morning at one hour and a half before sunrise?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is the system.",
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"content": "\n Oh.",
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"content": "\n Yes. In Vṛndāvana you'll find just early in the morning before... Exactly one and a half hours before sunrise, all temples will ding-dang, ding-dang, like this. And people will automatically rise up and go to see the first ceremony. It is very nice. So that you'll be forced to rise early in the morning. If you practice, you'll be practiced to... \"Early to rise, early to...\" \"Early to bed, early to rise\"? Yes?",
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"content": "\n \"...makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. You become automatically healthy, wealthy and wise. [laughter] Yes. But here you are accustomed to sleep up to twelve o'clock. [laughs] No. That is not good. Yes?",
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"content": "\n Can we chant a little while \"Kṛṣṇa\"?",
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"content": "\n Yes, certainly. This chanting is nice program. Now chant. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [end]",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa. So we have got new book, The First Step in God-Realization. Yes. Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n First, Invocation.\nOṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo vāsudevaya.\nText one.\nśrī-śuka uvāca\nvarīyān eṣa te praśnaḥ\nkṛto loka-hitaṁ nṛpa\nātmavit-sammataḥ puṁsāṁ\nśrotavyādiṣu yaḥ paraḥ\n[SB 2.1.1]\nNow you recite independently, oṁ namo bhagavate.",
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"content": "\n [recite oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya and the verse]",
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"content": "\n Very good. All right. Again.\nThis last line, it is śrotavyādiṣu yaḥ paraḥ. Like this: śrotavyā...",
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"content": "\nŚrotavyādiṣu...",
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"content": "\n Diṣu, short. Śrotavyādiṣu yaḥ paraḥ.",
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"content": "\n Śrotavyādiṣu yaḥ paraḥ.",
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"content": "\n So these Bhāgavata verses, if it is chanted with little tune, then it is very nice. The tune should be like this: [repeats verse with tune]\nśrī-śuka uvāca\nvarīyān eṣa te praśnaḥ\nkṛto loka-hitaṁ nṛpa\nātmavit-sammataḥ puṁsāṁ\nśrotavyādiṣu yaḥ paraḥ\n[SB 2.1.1]\nLike that.",
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"content": "\n Jaya. [laughing] Nectar.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Try to hear and... [chanting with tune:] varīyān eṣa te praśnaḥ.",
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"content": "\n Varīyān eṣa te praśnam.",
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"content": "\n Kṛto loka-hitaṁ nṛpa.",
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"content": "\n Kṛto loka-hitaṁ nṛpa.",
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"content": "\n Ātmavit-sammato puṁsām.",
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"content": "\n Ātmavit-sammato puṁsām.",
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"content": "\n Śrotavyādiṣu yaḥ param.",
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"content": "\n Śrotavyādiṣu yaḥ param.\n[verse is repeated three more times]",
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"content": "\n Now chant independently.\nAgain.\nVery good. So read the translation. Yes.",
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"content": "\n First with the Invocation?",
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"content": "\n Yes.\n[08:10]",
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"content": "\n Translation: \"O my Lord, the all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.\"",
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"content": "\n Purport. Go on.",
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"content": "\n Purport. \"Vāsudevāya means to Kṛṣṇa, the son of Vasudeva. As by chanting the name of Kṛṣṇa, Vāsudeva, one can achieve all the good results of charity, austerity and penances, so by the chanting of this mantra, oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya, it is to be understood that the author or the speaker or any one of the readers of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam offer respectful obeisances unto the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṇa, the reservoir of all pleasure. In the First Canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, the principles of creation are described, and as such the First Canto can be called 'Creation.' \"",
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"content": "\n So this oṁ means addressing the Lord. In the all the Vedic mantras they are addressing. Our this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, mahā-mantra, that is also addressing. Hare, Hare, addressing the energy of the Lord, Harā. The energy is Harā, Rādhā, Sītā. So when a female is addressed, it is like that: Hare, Late, Sīte, Rādhe. So Hare means addressing first, first of all the energy. The impersonalists, they do not know this, this addressing first of all Kṛṣṇa's energy. We Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava, we don't worship Kṛṣṇa alone, ekala-vāsudeva. No. We must worship Kṛṣṇa along with His energy. Just like Kṛṣṇārjuna, Kṛṣṇa and Arjuna. Arjuna is also energy, living entity, and Kṛṣṇa, Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa, His internal energy and marginal energy.\nSo Kṛṣṇa means with His energy. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. This bhagavate means full of energies. I have several times explained bhagavān. Bhaga means opulence, and vān means one who possesses. Bhagavān. That is the meaning of word bhagavān. So when this bhagavān word is addressed, it is addressed as bhagavate. The word is bhagavat, bhagavat-śabda. \nOf course, these are grammatical arrangement. Vat, this affix, is there when it is meant... Sanskrit, every word, every syllable, has got meaning. That is Sanskrit language. It is not like that \"beauty but,\" \"beauty put.\" No. If you say \"beauty but,\" then you must say \"beauty put.\" But in English, \"beauty but, beauty put.\" So in Sanskrit language, you cannot do like that. If you have to follow the rules, then the same rule will go on. So bhagavate address, oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Vāsudevāya, this is the form of..., fourth form of śabda, sound vibration. Fourth form. Just like kṛṣṇāya. When I offer something, kṛṣṇāya, viṣṇave. Similarly, bhagavate, vāsudevāya.\nSo the beginning is, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam means Kṛṣṇa. It cannot be otherwise. This is kṛṣṇa-kathā. The Bhagavad-gītā is also kṛṣṇa-kathā. Kathā means words. So Kṛṣṇa words spoken by Kṛṣṇa, that is Bhagavad-gītā. And words spoken about Kṛṣṇa, that is Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Or about Kṛṣṇa's devotees, that is bhāgavata. So bhāgavata, there are two kinds of bhāgavata. One, this book Bhāgavata, and another, the person bhāgavata, the devotee. He is also bhāgavata. Caitanya Mahāprabhu recommends that bhāgavata para giya bhāgavata sthāne: \"You should go and read Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam from the bhāgavata, person bhāgavata.\" Otherwise you will misunderstand. Bhāgavata para giya bhāgavata sthāne.\nOne big poet, he composed some songs when Caitanya Mahāprabhu was at Purī. And many people used to come and see Him. Because in those days there were many scholars, and Caitanya Mahāprabhu was also a very great scholar, so they used to compose and come to see Him, and they would get some applause. But before seeing Him, the rule was that it must be passed through His secretary, Svarūpa Dāmodara. Svarūpa Dāmodara was Lord Caitanya's personal secretary, so unless something is passed through Svarūpa Dāmodara, nobody can directly approach Caitanya Mahāprabhu.\nSo one learned scholar, he composed some poetries, and he wanted the poetries to be heard by Caitanya Mahāprabhu. But Svarūpa Dāmodara, he knew that \"This man is mundane. What he will write?\" So he was avoiding: \"All right, we shall see later on.\" But when he insisted... And one of his uncle, he was amongst the associates of Lord Caitanya, so he also requested Svarūpa Dāmodara that \"This boy has come so long. If you kindly hear.\"\nSo because he requested, a Vaiṣṇava, so Svarūpa Dāmodara agreed to hear. But he pointed out his all faults, and he chastised him, that \"You don't write poetry in this way. You first of all read Bhāgavata from the bhāgavata. Then try to write.\" So that you will find in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta. He advised that \"Go and read Bhāgavatam from bhāgavatam. Then try to write.\"\nRecently one gentleman from India... He is a man of very good position, ICS, the old ICS, the British ICS, Indian Civil Service. They are the topmost service. So he sent me one translation of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. So perhaps you know. Gargamuni knows. So I rejected it, that \"No, this [indistinct] cannot be published. There are so many anomalies.\" And so his daughter is here in Los Angeles. So she came with her husband and took back.\nSo we do not publish anything which is not approved by the ācāryas. We are not like ordinary press, that anything and anything will come and we shall publish. No. That is not our business. It must be approved, as we are presenting Bhagavad-gītā as it is, no mental concoction. We don't allow any mental concoction. It must be approved by the ācārya, disciplic succession. Then it is nice.\nSo the next verse... All right. This much today. We shall discuss tomorrow again. Thank you. Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n And there are so many English devotees.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. [Hindi] So the constables of Yamarāja, they are describing the bodily features of the Viṣṇudūta. You can have an idea of the Viṣṇuloka, or Vaikuṇṭhaloka. From this study, we have to understand that there is a spiritual sky, and that is far, far extensive than the material sky.\nYou cannot even measure the sky covered by one universe, and there are innumerable universes. That is... All together, that is one-fourth of the whole sky. It is a rough estimate only, according to the Vedic scripture. And the three-fourths of the sky is spiritual sky.\nThe population in the spiritual sky is far, far greater than the material sky. Only a few living entities who are rebelled. Just like the population in the prison house is insignificant compared to the whole population of the state, similarly, the living entities who are here in this material world, they are very insignificant.\nIncluding all the universes, all the planets together, they are an insignificant portion of the whole living entities. Ananta. Hy anantāya kalpate [Cc. Madhya 19.140]. The living entities, there is no counting, ananta, unlimited number of living entities. Therefore in the Vedas, the living entities are plural, but God is one. Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13].\nThen,\nsarve ca nūtna-vayasaḥ\nsarve cāru-caturbhujāḥ\ndhanur-niṣaṅgāsi-gadā-\nśaṅkha-cakrāmbuja-śriyaḥ\n[SB 6.1.34]\nThis is another description of the feature. Sarve ca nūtna-vayasaḥ. In the Vaikuṇṭhaloka, the inhabitants are always young, just like Kṛṣṇa or Viṣṇu is always young. There is no old age. Old age is here in this material world, because this material body becomes old, not the spirit soul. Spirit soul is always fresh. Nityaḥ śāśvato 'yaṁ na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre.\nSo they are describing that \"You are... You look all just very young.\" And sarve cāru-caturbhujāḥ: \"And you are beautifully embodied with four hands.\" Sarve cāru-caturbhujāḥ.\n[aside:] What is that?\nDhanur-niṣaṅgāsi-gadā-śaṅkha-cakrāmbuja-śriyaḥ: \"And exactly like Viṣṇu, you have got dhanur, bows; and śaṅkha, conchshell; cakra, disc; gadā, club; and ambuja, padma, lotus flower. Everyone.\" That means everyone in the Vaikuṇṭhaloka, they are exactly like the bodily feature of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Nārāyaṇa.\nThis is called sārūpya-mukti. There are five kinds of liberation. This liberation, to have the same bodily feature like Nārāyaṇa, is called sārūpya, \"the form exactly like Viṣṇu.\" Sārūpya-mukti. There are five kinds of liberations: sāyujya, sālokya, sārūpya, sārṣṭi, sāmīpya [Cc. Madhya 6.266]. So these Māyāvādī philosophers, they prefer sāyujya, to merge into the existence of impersonal existence.\nA living entity can live, can remain in the Brahman effulgence as a particle of shining. Just like there are many molecular particles in the sunshine, similarly, the living entities also can cluster together and live as a small particle of spiritual shining, and that is called brahma-sāyujya-mukti [Cc. Madhya 6.264–265]. But that kind of existence is subjected to falldown again.\nye 'nye 'ravindākṣa vimukta-māninas\ntvayy asta-bhāvād aviśuddha-buddhayaḥ\nāruhya kṛcchreṇa paraṁ padaṁ tataḥ\npatanty adho...\n[SB 10.2.32]\nBecause the living entities, they want varieties of enjoyment, but in that impersonal existence there is no varieties of enjoyment, therefore, when they desire varieties of enjoyment, they have come to this material world. So even they merge into the effulgence of brahma-jyotir, there is cause, there is chance of falling. Not all. Some of them may go to the planets, but there is chance.\nsarve ca nūtna-vayasaḥ\nsarve cāru-caturbhujāḥ\ndhanur-niṣaṅgāsi-gadā-\nśaṅkha-cakrāmbuja-śriyaḥ\ndiśo vitimirālokāḥ\nkurvantaḥ svena tejasā\nkim arthaṁ dharma-pālasya\nkiṅkarān no niṣedhatha\n[SB 6.1.35-36]\n\"You are so brilliant that immediately on your appearance the darkness is dissipated. Immediately.\" They are so much, I mean to say, glowing, their body, in Vaikuṇṭha. Therefore in the Upaniṣad it is said that in the Vaikuṇṭhaloka, in the spiritual sky, there is no need of sun, moon.\nThe planets and the bodily effulgence of the inhabitants, they are all glowing. So on account of everything glowing in the spiritual world, there is no necessity of sunshine or moonshine or electricity. They are self-effulgent.\ndiśo vitimirālokāḥ\nkurvantaḥ svena tejasā\nkim arthaṁ dharma-pālasya\nkiṅkarān no niṣedhatha\n[SB 6.1.36]\n\"You are so brilliant, you appear to be very,\" I mean to say, \"enlightened and coming from some planets.\" Because they had no exactly idea what kind of planet they live. They are simply suggesting that \"You must be coming from some very exalted planet. But why you are interfering with our business?\"\nKim arthaṁ dharma-pālasya. Dharma-pāla. Yamarāja's another name is Dharmarāja or Dharmapāla. He is one of the authorities. There are twelve authorities mentioned in the śāstras. Brahmā is one authority, Lord Śiva is one authority and Nārada is one authority. Then Manu is one authority, Prahlāda Mahārāja is authority, Bali Mahārāja is authority, Śukadeva Gosvāmī is authority. So similarly, Yamarāja is also authority. They are authorities who know exactly what is God, or Kṛṣṇa, and they can direct.\nTherefore śāstra says you have to follow the authorities. Otherwise it is not possible. Dharmasya tattvaṁ nihitaṁ guhāyāṁ mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. You cannot understand the path of religion by your mental speculation. Dharmāṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19]. Dharma, religious principles, are enacted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. No ordinary man can enact dharma.\nTherefore there is dharma-viparya. Real dharma, actual dharma, is to abide by the words of the Supreme Lord. That is dharma. Just like Kṛṣṇa says, mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ [Bg. 18.66]. That is dharma, simply to surrender unto Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise it is not dharma. Man-made dharma is no dharma. That is called kaitava-dharma, cheating dharma. You cannot manufacture religion. But nowadays it has become fashion. Everyone is manufacturing his own religion. Therefore there is dharma-viparya.\nSo one should know that dharma means the laws given by God. That is dharma. And such dharma, or the path of dharma, is strictly followed by these mahājanas. Just like Brahmā, Lord Śiva, Nārada, Manu, Kapila..., Kapiladeva, Kapiladeva who enunciated sāṅkhya philosophy... Svayaṁbhūr nāradaḥ śaṁbhuḥ kapilo manuḥ, prahlādo bhīṣmaḥ [SB 6.3.20]. Bhīṣmadeva is also authority. You know Bhīṣmadeva, the grandfather of the Pāṇḍavas. He is also authority. Prahlāda, Bhīṣma... Bali Mahārāja is also authority.\nSo we have to follow these authorities. Otherwise there is no possibility of understanding what is religion, what is God. This... Our this sampradāya, Madhva-Gauḍīya sampradāya, they are following the authorities of Lord Brahmā and Nārada. Similarly, there is another sampradāya, Rudra-sampradāya. Rudra-sampradāya. And there is another sampradāya, coming from Lakṣmījī, Śrī-sampradāya, Rāmānuja.\nSo we have to accept religious principles from the leaders of the sampradāya. Otherwise it is useless. Sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te viphalā matāḥ [Padma Purāṇa]: \"If you do not accept mantra initiation from the disciplic succession of the sampradāya, then it will be useless.\" Sampradāya-vihīnā ye. So people are manufacturing religion without any reference to these authorities.\nSo diśo vitimirālokāḥ kurvantaḥ svena tejasā. Svena: \"By your own effulgence you are dissipating the darkness, all directions. You are so bright, brilliant.\" Kim arthaṁ dharma-pālasya: \"Oh, we can understand that you are not ordinary living entities. You are coming from some exalted planet. But what business you have got to interfere with our business?\" Dharma-pālasya.\nśrī-śuka uvāca\nity ukte yamadūtais te\nvāsudevokta-kāriṇaḥ\ntān pratyūcuḥ prahasyedaṁ\nmegha-nirhrādayā girā\n[SB 6.1.37]\nWhen they were addressed by the assistants of Yamarāja, then the representative of Vāsudeva, vāsudevokta-kāriṇaḥ, those who are followers of the order of Vāsudeva... Representative...\n[aside:] Again you have to stand, please.\nTān pratyūcuḥ prahasyedaṁ megha-nirhrādayā girā. Now, the Viṣṇudūta, they began to speak in a very grave language, just like resounding the cloud. [reads Śrīdhāra Swami commentary:] Kim anya-lokasyānyasya prakāśa yat tu tathā bhūta diśaḥ kurvantaḥ bhavatam anuṣitaṁ yam ity āhuḥ kim artham ity āha.\nIndirectly, the Yamadūtas said that \"You are so exalted, so it is not very good for you to interfere with our business.\" They politely submitted. And... [commentary:] Ato daṇḍyādaṇḍya-jñāna-śūnyā iti śaura evākṣnod dhiyā dharma-rājasya kiṅkarā ity anvitaṁ vadanti viṣayena prahasya tān pratyūcuḥ.\nNow, Śrīdhāra Swami is commenting why they were smiling, these Viṣṇudūta, because the Yamadūtas were criticizing, \"Why you are interfering?\" The Yamadūtas did not know that whatever action is taken by the representative of Viṣṇu, they are not, I mean to say, unnecessarily interference; they are actual fact.\nTherefore they are smiling, that \"These Yamadūtas, without knowing our position, they are trying to criticize us.\" So they were smiling. Prahasya, prahasya. Just like if a child speaks something to a learned man, he smiles. So Viṣṇudūta were smiling, hearing the Yamadūtas.\nMeghasya eva nirhrāda hānir yasya prayātaḥ:[?] \"They began to speak in grave,\" I mean to say, \"voice, as if the thundering cloud.\"\nśrī-viṣṇudūta uvāca\nyūyaṁ vai dharma-rājasya\nyadi nirdeśa-kāriṇaḥ\nbrūta dharmasya nas tattvaṁ\nyac ca adharmasya lakṣaṇam\n[SB 6.1.38]\n\"You are claiming to be representative of Dharmarāja, Yamarāja.\" Yamarāja is Dharmarāja. So Viṣṇudūta knows that they are representative. So he challenged..., the Viṣṇudūtas challenged the Yamadūtas, that \"You are accusing us that we are interfering with your business which is entrusted unto you by the Dharmarāja, the maintainer of dharma. Would you kindly explain what is dharma and what is adharma?\" It is very intelligent answer. Yūyaṁ vai dharma-rājasya: \"If you are actually representative.\"\nTherefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu said that yei kṛṣṇa tattva-vettā sei guru haya [Cc. Madhya 8.128]: \"If anyone is representing as guru, he must know Kṛṣṇa.\" He must know. Kṛṣṇa cannot be known, but at least... Just like Kṛṣṇa says, yo jānāti tattvataḥ [Bg. 4.9], that... One must know Kṛṣṇa in fact, tattvataḥ, in truth. He can become guru. Otherwise, guru is not a..., so cheap post that everyone can become guru. Similarly, here is the challenge, that \"If you are representative of Dharmarāja, you must explain what is dharma and what is adharma.\" That should be the criterion of test. Not that everyone should be accepted as religious, everyone should be accepted as guru. \nThis ignorance of the population has created so many nonsense as representing as guru and dharma-jñā. No. Tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta [SB 11.3.21]. The Vedic injunction says, tasmad gurum prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam, śābde pare ca niṣnātam. One is advised... First of all, who will accept a guru?\nGuru is not a plaything, that \"I must have a guru, and I will never care to obey his order, but because it is a fashion to keep a guru, I shall keep a guru.\" That kind of guru is useless, and that kind of disciple is also useless. One must seek after a guru—when? When he is inquisitive to understand the transcendental knowledge. Jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam.\nIt is not a fashion. It should be very serious: one who is very much eager to understand transcendental knowledge, śreya uttamam. Jijñāsuḥ śreya. Śreyaḥ and preyaḥ. There are two kinds of paths. Preyaḥ means immediate satisfaction or sense gratification, and preyaḥ means spiritual happiness, er, śreyaḥ. Śreyaḥ means spiritual happiness. Just like children, they are interested with playing—that is preyaḥ—whereas the elderly person, they are interested to give education.\nSo people... What is the meaning of this preaching? Why we are taking interest in preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness? Because the people in general, they are interested in preyaḥ for their sense gratification, immediate sense gratification. But that is not good for them. Bhāgavata says, nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma yad indriya-prītaya āpṛṇoti [SB 5.5.4]: \"Simply for sense gratification, they are committing so many sinful activities. It is like..., just like madman.\" A madman does not know what he is doing. Similarly, the materialistic persons, they are so much engrossed and become maddened to commit everything simply for sense gratification. Indriya-prīti.\nSo Ṛṣabhadeva says, \"It is not good. It is very risky life.\" If we indulge in sense gratification, Kṛṣṇa will give us facilities for sense gratification. Just like a monkey. A monkey has very good facility for sex life. A monkey, every monkey has got at least three dozen wives. Perhaps you know it. So he has been given the facility for sense gratification: \"All right.\" But what is his position? He is a monkey. [laughter] Therefore it is called markaṭa-vairāgya [Cc Madhya 16.238].\nMarkaṭa-vairāgya means that a monkey is renounced. He does not dress, naked. And he lives in the forest. And he eats also fruit, vegetarian. But the nature is that he must have at least three dozen wives. You see? So the so-called sādhus or so-called vairagis, having illicit sex life very secretly, they are just like monkeys. So Rūpa Gosvāmī has said markaṭa-vairāgya. Markaṭa-vairāgya.\nSo markaṭa-vairāgya is not necessary. Real vairāgya. We do not indulge in so-called sannyāsī or brahmacārī. If one is unable, he must become a gṛhastha, live like a gṛhastha, and not that \"I pose myself as a brahmacārī or a sannyāsī, but I have got illicit sex life secretly.\" This is markaṭa-vairāgya. Markaṭa-vairāgya is not wanted. Real vairāgya. Real vairāgya means one who can sacrifice everything for Kṛṣṇa. That is vairāgya. Karma-phala-tyāga—that is karma-yoga. One should give up the result of his fruitive activities to Kṛṣṇa. That is karma-yoga.\nAnāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ kāryaṁ karma karoti yaḥ [Bg. 6.1]. Anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ. One who is not desirous to enjoy the fruits of his activities, fruitive activities, anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ, but does it as a matter of duty... \"Kṛṣṇa wants it. Kṛṣṇa will be satisfied by doing this.\" Kāryam: \"It must be done.\" Just like Arjuna. Arjuna, for his personal interest, he was not willing to fight. But when he understood that \"Kṛṣṇa wants this fighting,\" then he took it as kāryam: \"It must be done. It doesn't matter whether I like it or not, but Kṛṣṇa wants it. Therefore I must do it.\"\nThat is called anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ kāryaṁ karma karoti yaḥ, sa sannyāsī [Bg. 6.1]. He is sannyāsī. Na niragnir na cākriyaḥ. Niragnir and akriya. Akriya means they are freed, all kinds of fruitive activities. So they are not sannyāsīs, they are not yogīs, but a yogī is he who gives away the result of his activities to Kṛṣṇa. Anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ kāryaṁ karma karoti yaḥ.\nSo he is asking... Viṣṇudūta uvāca, yūyaṁ vai dharma-rājasya yadi nirdeśa-kāriṇaḥ. It is a challenge: \"So you are claiming that you are representative of Dharmarāja. So we want to know from you what is dharma.\" Just like yesterday some gentleman came. He said that he has performed yoga, and he has become Nārāyaṇa. Was not? Was not he speaking?",
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"content": "\n Oh. So naturally... Just like somebody says that \"I am God. I have become God by mystic yoga,\" so one should challenge him, \"What kind of God you are? Whenever there is toothache, you go to the doctor immediately. And you are God?\" So I have seen. I have seen one man in America. He had some disciples, some.\nAnd he was claiming everyone is God, he is God. And one day he was suffering from toothache. So I asked him, \"What kind of God you are, that you are so much painful, suffering from toothache?\" And actually, one should challenge these... And they are, practically, another kind of lunatic who claim that \"I am God.\"\nSo similarly, this challenge is given by the Viṣṇudūtas to the Yamadūtas, that \"You are representative of Dharmarāja. Now explain what is dharma and what is adharma.\" Brūta dharmasya nas tattvaṁ yac ca adharmasya lakṣaṇam. Tattva, lakṣaṇam: the symptoms of adharma and the truth of dharma.\nkathaṁ svid dhriyate daṇḍaḥ\nkiṁ vāsya sthānam īpsitam\ndaṇḍyāḥ kiṁ kāriṇaḥ sarve\nāho svit katicin nṛṇām\n[SB 6.1.39]\n\"Now explain who is subjected to the punishment of Yamarāja. You have come here to take away this Ajāmila to the court of Yamarāja. But first of all explain who is actually subjected to go to the court of Yamarāja for being punished.\"\nThis is the question, and we shall discuss tomorrow about the answer. Hare Kṛṣṇa.\n[devotees offer obeisances] [break]",
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"content": "\n What is adhut? What is the word adhut?",
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"content": "\n Dut? Avadhūta. Paramahaṁsa. Paramahaṁsa stage, the highest stage of perfection. They are not under any rules and regulation, paramahaṁsa.",
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"content": "\n How does such a person engage?",
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"content": "\n That's a long history. You'll find in the Bhagavad-gītā, sthita-prajñasya. Sthita-prajñā. So there are many symptoms. On the whole, avadhūta or paramahaṁsa is not subjected to any rules and regulation. They are so elevated. That is not to be imitated.\nThat is a post, position, very exalted, perfectional stage, spiritual advancement. So if you want to know the symptoms, that is in the Bhagavad-gītā. There is a list. But one thing you can simply know, a paramahaṁsa is a stage who is above all rules and regulations. That's all.",
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"content": "\n Another nonsense. That's all.",
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"content": "\n So if he continues to follow these rules and regulations...",
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"content": "\n He doesn't follow. He doesn't follow. I can... I understand from his behavior.",
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"content": "\n But generally they do follow, in the sense that they generally...",
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"content": "\n No, no. Paramahaṁsa...",
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"content": "\n For setting example for others?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Paramahaṁsa, they do not come in the society, because the people may imitate and they fall down. Therefore they are aloof. Just like Gaura Kiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja. He was aloof, bhajanānandī. But one who will act as preacher or spiritual master, even if he is paramahaṁsa, he should live ordinarily, so that his disciples may follow. He comes to second stage. Paramahaṁsa is the first stage, and preacher is in the second stage, and neophytes are in the third stage.\nSo the neophyte should try to come to second stage. Īśvare tad-adhīneṣu bāliśeṣu dviṣatsu [SB 11.2.46]. They have got discrimination: Īśvara, Bhagavān, the Supreme Personality of Godhead; tad-adhīna, the devotees; bāliśa, innocent; and dviṣat, those who are atheists, envious of... As soon as they hear that \"Here is something going on, talking about God,\" they become immediately envious. We have increased the number of this kind of men. They are no more interested in God. They simply challenge. They are called dviṣat. So a preacher should avoid them. But the paramahaṁsa, he does not avoid.\nSo there are so many things. So we haven't got to imitate the activities or... A paramahaṁsa is a position, exalted position. They are very rare to be visible, because they do not care to come in the society. So..., and if you want to know about the paramahaṁsa, the sthita-prajñā description in the Bhagavad-gītā, I think, in the Twelfth Chapter, you can know it. Hmm?",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? Can you explain more about preyaḥ and śreyaḥ?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Śreyaḥ means ultimate benefit, and preyaḥ means immediate sense gratification. That is called... That is the difference between śreyaḥ and preyaḥ. [pause] That's all right.",
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"content": "\n So the transcendentalists are śreyaḥ? And the karmīs and others are...",
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"content": "\n Yes, they are after preyaḥ. Those who are after śreyaḥ, they should follow the catur-āśrama, varṇāśrama. The varṇāśrama, according to Vedic system, the four kinds of varṇas, or social caste, and four kinds of spiritual order, āśramas, that is the beginning of preyaḥ. Without this acceptance of these principles, according to Vedic principles, one is not considered as a human being or civilized man. Because that is a system, if we follow that system, gradually we rise to the platform of śreyaḥ. If anyone does not follow regulative principles, it is very hard for him to come to the standard of śreyaḥ.\nBut in this age, in Kali-yuga, every man is so fallen that he cannot follow any regulative principles according to the Vedic system. As such, they have been accepted as śūdras. Kalau śūdra-sambhavaḥ [Skanda Purāṇa]: \"In this age everyone should be accepted as śūdra.\" But then how to elevate them? For elevating them, this..., not the Vedic system is to be followed, but pañcarātriki. Pañcarātriki... Just like we are trying to elevate these Europeans and Americans according to pañcarātriki-vidhi. Everyone should be followed. It is not that Indians should not follow, only the others should. No. It is for everyone, pañcarātriki-vidhi.\nThe pañcarātriki-vidhi means that if anyone has got little tendency for being elevated to the śreyaḥ platform, he should be given chance. That is called pañcarātriki-vidhi. Just like dīkṣā, initiation. Śūdras are not given initiation. A śūdra cannot be initiated. Only the brāhmaṇas can be initiated, or dvija, or the vaiśyas and the kṣatriyas, the higher caste, not the śūdras. But according to pañcarātriki-vidhi, even the śūdras or less than the śūdras, kirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā [SB 2.4.18], everyone can be initiated by a bona fide representative of Kṛṣṇa; not by others. That is the system.",
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"content": "\n Does one become elevated by following the karma-yoga principles only?",
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"content": "\n It will take a long, long time, and failure is possible. In this age, nothing is possible for the fallen people.\nharer nāma harer nāma harer nāma eva kevalam\nkalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva gatir anyathā\n[Cc. Ādi 17.21]\nThis is the injunction. If you want to be elevated to the perfectional stage of life, then you must chant this Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare. That will help you. No other method, measures, will help you. You can try for it, but there is every chance of failure. But if you follow this path, as enunciated by the śāstras and elaborated by Lord Caitanya, then there is chance. And actually we are seeing that is being done.",
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"content": "\n In the First Chapter, God Realization booklet, First Chapter, Second Canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, the process described there where it says that the gross materialists can begin meditating on the syllable oṁ, and then try to contemplate the universal form. That is not recommended for this age, right?",
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"content": "\n No, that is not for the advanced stage. Those who cannot... Just like the materialistic person, they cannot understand why we are worshiping Deity. They are puzzled. They think, \"Why these fools are taking one brass doll and worshiping as God?\" They laugh. You see? They cannot understand. They are hard... What is called?\nIt is impossible for them. Therefore they have been recommended that \"You think of God, the universal form.\" That they like, their meditation, that universal form. They cannot understand or concentrate on this form, kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28], dvi-bhuja-muralīdhara, Śyāmasundara form. They cannot.\nBut by this arca process we are giving chance to everyone. But for the materialistic person it is difficult. They think that they are idol worshiper. But actually, the Vaiṣṇavas, they are not so fools that they will worship an idol. Therefore they have been recommended to concentrate on the universal form.",
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"content": "\n We always encourage the chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa. Is that so? [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is the only method in this age. By chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, one's... The reservoir of understanding will be cleared. And then you can receive..., he can receive the spiritual knowledge. Without cleansing the heart it is very difficult to understand and receive spiritual knowledge. All these reformatory measures—brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha—they are simply the cleansing method.\nAnd bhakti is also cleansing method, vidhi-bhakti. But by engaging oneself in this Deity worship, he also becomes cleansed. Tat-paratve... Sarvopādhi... As he becomes enlightened, or advanced in understanding that he is eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa, he becomes purified. He becomes purified. Sarvopādhi means he doesn't... Sarvopādhi. He tries to eliminate his upādhi, his designation, that \"I am American,\" \"I am Indian,\" \"I am this,\" \"I am that.\"\nSo in this way, when you become fully eliminated of this bodily concept of life, then nirmalam. He becomes nirmala, uncontaminated. And so long this concept of life is going on, that \"I am this,\" \"I am that,\" \"I am that,\" he's still in the... Sa bhaktaḥ prakṛtaḥ smṛtaḥ [SB 11.2.47].\n[aside:] Sit down properly, not like that.\nSa bhaktaḥ prakṛtaḥ smṛtaḥ. Arcāyām eva haraye...\nEven in this process, when they are engaged in Deity worship, arcāyāṁ haraye yat-pūjāṁ śraddhāyehate, with great devotion doing, but na tad bhakteṣu cānyeṣu, but he has no sympathy with others or he does not know what is the position of a devotee, then sa bhaktaḥ prakṛtaḥ smṛtaḥ: \"He is called material devotee.\" Material devotee.\nSo we have to elevate ourselves from material devotional stage to the second platform, when one can understand what is a devotee, what is a nondevotee, what is God, what is atheist. These discriminations are there. And in paramahaṁsa stage there is no such discrimination.\nHe sees everyone is engaged in service of the Lord. He does not envy anyone, he does not see anything, anybody. But that is another stage. We should not imitate, try to imitate, but we may know that paramahaṁsa is the highest stage of perfection. [pause]\nJust like as a preacher we have to point out... Just like I told this boy, \"You sit down like this.\" But a paramahaṁsa will not say. A paramahaṁsa, he sees, rather: \"He is all right.\" He sees. But we should not imitate paramahaṁsa. Because we are preacher, we are teacher, we should not imitate paramahaṁsa. We must tell the right source, right course.",
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"content": "\n You must be higher than the paramahaṁsa stage, Prabhupāda.",
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"content": "\n I am lower than you. I am lower than you.",
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"content": "\n You are so beautiful. You are paramahaṁsa, but still, you are preaching to us.",
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"content": "\n No, I am lower than you. I am the lowest of the all creatures. I am simply trying to execute the order of my spiritual master. That's all. That should be the business of everyone. Try best. Try your best to execute the higher order. That is the safest way of progressing.\nOne may be in the lowest stage, but if he tries to execute this duty entrusted upon him, he is perfect. He may be in lowest stage, but because he is trying to execute the duty entrusted to him, then he is perfect. That is the consideration. [end]",
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"content": "\nHe will remain here?",
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"content": "\nI will go home and come back.",
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"content": "\nCome back?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nThen I have some important talks with you.",
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"content": "\nI see. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nYes. And the first thing is that we have been promised Life Membership by about fourteen, fifteen men. Out of that, we have collected about less than half.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] Yesterday I phoned...",
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"content": "\nAh.",
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"content": "\nHmm.",
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"content": "\nWhat is the name of your brother-in-law? That grain merchant.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct reply] [indistinct conversation in the background]",
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"content": "\nSo has he paid something?",
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"content": "\nNo, he is out of station.",
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"content": "\nOh, he promised.",
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"content": "\nHe said... No, no, I have talked with him at present. He said, \"I don't want to become a member [indistinct].\"",
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"content": "\nHmm?",
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"content": "\n He says he doesn't want to become a member but he will [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nJust see.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct conversation in the background]",
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"content": "\nSo let him make some member [indistinct] like that.",
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"content": "\nYes, [indistinct]. [indistinct conversation in the background]",
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"content": "\nSo one thing, now there are so many promises. So is it possible to collect from them?",
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"content": "\n[indistinct]\n No, no. [indistinct conversation with Indian men]",
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"content": "\nHmm. So now the question is that do you think that to collect all this promised money, you will, be able?",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] and phoned to make an appointment. Now this, eh [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nNo, I mean to say whether they are hopeless.",
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"content": "\nI see.",
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"content": "\nThen...",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] and then we were not informed [indistinct]. What else can you do those to you who have promised Life Membership of this [indistinct] become either a subscriber member or a donor member, if not Life Member [indistinct]. Something has to be sorted [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nSo for this purpose is it necessary that he should remain? Or...?",
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"content": "\nRemain.",
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"content": "\n Oh, that's all right.",
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"content": "\nI have contacted [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nOh, then give him the addresses.",
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"content": "\nYes, they... They can...",
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"content": "\nThey can pay something to you directly.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] I'd like to make this person [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nHmm. So for the time being give him our Bombay address.",
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"content": "\nBombay [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nYes. That will do. Now this morning I wanted to see that land, and I want to take you there. So in my absence... [aside:] You can do it. Another thing that, ah, Sarmistha, Queen Sarmistha, Halkar, so she also promised some help, but there is no... We can contact her? By phone?",
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"content": "\nAh.",
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"content": "\nHmm.",
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"content": "\nNow the... Is it possible to see her today?",
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"content": "\nWe can try.",
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"content": "\nSo why not try for that? If both of them, both the husband and wife promised that \"I shall consider.\" I requested them to purchase a house for us. That... What is that?",
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"content": "\nSamarji.",
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"content": "\nSamarji. Of course, I don't think that..",
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"content": "\nSamarji [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nNot here.",
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"content": "\nSo whatever he gives, we can accept. Something is better than...",
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"content": "\nEh?",
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"content": "\nYes, we saw them. There was kīrtana.",
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"content": "\nTwo nights ago [indistinct] I phoned...",
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"content": "\nAh.",
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"content": "\n ...to take an appointment to see [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nYes, why not?",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] appointment [indistinct] phoned [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nHmm.",
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"content": "\nHmm... But do they...",
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"content": "\nAnd it would mean that this man [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nMarwari, yes. So he's not coming?",
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"content": "\nI told him. I have seen his place.",
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"content": "\nAh.",
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"content": "\nI have known him. He was [indistinct] last year.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nSo he's not [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nBut he's not personally presenting.",
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"content": "\nHe's not, yes. [laughs] He's a monies man [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nMonies man, oh.",
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"content": "\nHe wants to develop abroad [indistinct] and central India [indistinct] district [indistinct] and to make some money.",
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"content": "\nYes, that is... That was his purpose.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] from here. I'm going [indistinct] that is the purpose and [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nSo?",
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"content": "\nĀcchā. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] some one thousand people [indistinct] at his temple [indistinct] then he will call my name to come [indistinct] we can come [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nAh.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] so he became more and more materialistic and [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHmm. If people go there for some material benefits... Nobody goes...",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nNobody goes for God\n.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYou see?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nThe president also [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nThat's all. Therefore people...",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nTherefore people are becoming atheist. Suppose you go somewhere for some material benefit, and if you do not get it, naturally you become faithless, \"Ah, what is this nonsense?\" Therefore bhakti is anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.1.11].\nOne should approach God without any material desires, anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam. Simply one has to approach God, ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-śīlanam: [indistinct], without any cause. That is bhakti. This is not bhakti; this is business.",
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"content": "\nYes [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n[laughs] Yes. When Prahlāda Mahārāja was offered benediction, so he said these very words, that \"Am I a mercantile man, vaṇīya, baṇik, that I have to ask from You something by giving You service? So don't allure me Sir, in this way.\"\nThis is śuddha-bhakta. Yes. \"We were born in a demonic family, and naturally inclined for material enjoyment, and Your Lordship can give me anything, I know, if I ask. So naturally I will be allured to ask from You...\"",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nI was [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nHmm?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nSuppose I am going to Indore...",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHmm.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nOr [indistinct] I asked him to give me that confidential member...",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nHmm?",
"role": "assistant"
},
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nYes. You should not ask anything.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\nNo?",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nNo.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nThis is also bhajan[?].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes. Why should you desire [indistinct]. Eh? yad bhāvyaṁ tad bhavatu [Mukunda-mālā-stotra 5]: \"Whatever it has to be happen, let it happen.\"",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nRāmāyaṇa says [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nRāmāyaṇa, means that it is Tulsī dāsa's Rāmāyaṇa.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nHmm.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct] bhakti [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nNo, bhakti is not demand. That is to put oneself in his natural position. That is not demand.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nOh.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nOh, that is... Because...",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n ...our constitutional position...",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct] my life [indistinct] desires, how can I get without [indistinct]?",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nHmm.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nHmm.",
"role": "assistant"
},
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"content": "\nSo whatever our [indistinct], suppose I get [indistinct]?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nThat is dharma-artha-kāma-mokṣa [SB 4.8.41]. That is catur-varga. But bhakti is above that.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nAh, bhakti is..",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nAbove that. A bhakta does not even desire for mokṣa.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nAh, he doesn't desire.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nNo. He does not desire, desire even...",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nAh. That is real bhakti.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nBās, that is it. Mama janmani janmanīśvare [Śikṣāṣṭaka 4]. I was explaining this verse...",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nYesterday.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes. That is bhakti.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nThat is not demand; that is your natural position. You are eternal servant of God. Now, somehow or other, under the influence of this material existence, you are thinking otherwise. Somebody is thinking that \"I am master of the [indistinct],\" somebody is thinking master of community, master of... They are thinking the..., in terms of becoming master.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHmm. That is our material life. Kṛṣṇa bhūliya jīva bhoga-vāñchā kare [Prema-vivarta]. Master means enjoy. That is material life. So he has to work off that mentality. Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66].",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nAh. That is bhakti. So long we think of becoming master, that is materialist. If one thinks, \"Oh, I have become spiritual master and have so many disciples, they are my servants,\" and that is also material. Therefore according to our Vaiṣṇava, the address is prabhu. Even a spiritual master addresses the disciple as prabhu. This very mentality to become master is material. Because he is servant.",
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"content": "\nDāsa [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nHe is eternally servant. In the mistaken idea of becoming master he is serving māyā. Just like you are master of your family, but actually you are serving. But you are thinking, \"I am master of this family.\" And to be... By becoming a false master, your whole life you have to serve your wife, your children, your grandson, your family, your brother...",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n[laughs] Actually he is serving, but he is thinking...",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct] moham [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nJanasya moho 'yam it is called. In the Bhāgavata it is said, gṛha..., ato gṛha-kṣetra-sutāpta-vittair janasya moho 'yam [SB 5.5.8]. It is moho. That is illusion.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] Suppose if someone wants to have your darśana [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHmm. Yes.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nHmm. No, if some arrangement is made here, then I shall open a branch here, and I shall train up your...",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nYes.",
"role": "assistant"
},
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHmm. So I have... I have asked them to give me a plot and a temple, and other buildings I shall collect money and do. That I have proposed.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHmm. So in case they do that, then I give you two or three assistants and you help. Hmm?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nAnd this pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness we shall develop. And another gentleman was proposing that \"Instead of opening another center, why don't you do your activities in the Gītā Bhavan?\" That is not possible. It is hodgepodge.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nHmm?",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nSome propaganda from this platform.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nFrom which platform?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nFrom Gītā Bhavan.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nAh, yes.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct conversation in the background]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n[someone enters] Aiye. [Hindi] I was just thinking of you.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct] the doctor [indistinct] it is not possible [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nAh. Oh.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct] So I have come, because it is not possible you and Dr. Gupta would see this today [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHmm.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\nHe will come some other [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nWhat he will do at this stage? He will not forbid[?].",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nHmm. That's all right.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nDon't be puzzled, because death..., everyone will die today or tomorrow. Try to enlighten her with Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That's all.",
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"content": "\nI will [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nLet her chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. It doesn't matter whether she dies or not. Let her chant so long she lives. That is nice. So most... We are arranging to go to Surat.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nSurat.",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nYes.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nSo what about this Sarmistha? Halkar?",
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"content": "\nSarmistha Halkar I can get [indistinct] because we were always [indistinct]. But if you want a bigger amount, then you will have to meet [indistinct] wait and see. Three times she sent me [indistinct] fourth [indistinct] at two o'clock [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nSo why don't you send...",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct] 1,000, 5,000 rupees [indistinct], then take money from him. [indistinct] So [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nSo how to contact her?",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nAh. Both of them promised that \"We shall consider.\"",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nAh? [indistinct reply] [indistinct conversation in the background]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n[laughs] So what shall I do now? Shall I try to contact?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct] We shall phone her [indistinct] and we shall arrange it. [indistinct conversation in the background]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n[aside:] Aiye. But... So because they promised that \"We shall contribute,\" we shall simply ask..",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nNo, no. We told him that [indistinct] two o'clock...",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n[aside:] Aiye.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct] I told him that [indistinct] I said, \"How can I say something about it?\" Because [indistinct] get some money [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nSo then best thing is to why not call Mr. Karmita, Mr. Karmita call and ask, remind him what...",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nAh, [indistinct] if I have to leave I have to go [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nThen I think these girls can call, because...",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct] Karmita [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nAll right. That's all right.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nAnd what about our [indistinct] mātājī?",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nEh?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nThe other mātājī [indistinct] twelve o'clock this morning [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nYes, the idea is [indistinct]",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nEh?",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\n...that Mathura. Muk..., muk..., Mukan. We are going... You mean to say about that house?",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\nAh.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nAh, he is asking fancy price.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nAh. [indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nThat is a...",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\n[indistinct] I told him [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nSo that is hopeless.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nAh.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nBest thing is to remain stopped, as he told me.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nAh. That is right, because [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nAnd he has no customer.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nNo, no. Customer is impossible to find. [indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nSo then we stop for the time.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct] customer [indistinct] government [indistinct] because the government [indistinct]. So now [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nThat doesn't matter. You attempt; you ask, induce her to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nAh.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nTake this flower, give her. So if you are very anxious, you can go.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nAnd if you [indistinct] you will send a message to [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nAll right.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nOh, thank you. That's all right.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nAll right.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\nAh. [indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nIt is very good that she knows you very well.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\n[indistinct] she knows that I was to go, six months back. [indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nYes. All right. Jaya. Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nTake your dhoti in [laughs]. It is very kind of you, you have come.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nSo now we have got permission to contact them. That's all.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\n [indistinct] desire is for [indistinct] some big agenda [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nYes I saw, it is very...",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nAnd he's very much impressed with our activities. Hmm.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\nYou can make an appointment and then come there. [indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nYes.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct] temple [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nIt is authorized and pure. That is shall try to understand, that this is not a bogus movement.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nNo, no.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nYes. It is authorized and pure.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\nI have become a member [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nYes, [laughs] but I cannot. It is very kind of you. There is no other motive. It is pure bhakti, anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam [Cc. Madhya 19.167].",
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"content": "\n[indistinct conversation in the background]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi]",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\n[Hindi]",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nĀcchā.",
"role": "assistant"
},
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"content": "\nYesterday... Because our this yesterday program was to take [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nĀcchā.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nNo... [break] that you construct the room, that is desire for you so long you live. And after your death, it becomes to this ashram.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct] within one year [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nYes. Yes.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nYes. [break] One Mr. Vikram Singh. He has house in the city, he has at least forty, fifty cows.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\n[indistinct] a man. He, has got cars and everything is there.",
"role": "assistant"
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{
"content": "\n[indistinct]",
"role": "user"
},
{
"content": "\nHe has faithful sons. It was a sport for the boys.",
"role": "assistant"
},
{
"content": "\nEh?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes, the little boys, they go with the calves, in a different way. And the elderly boys, they take the cows. And...",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n[indistinct] [break] [Hindi] [end]",
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"content": "\n Why not preach in a systematic way under government patronage? I am alone trying for it.",
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"content": "\n I would just request you, if you can give some idea as to how we could do this in practice; otherwise it is...",
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"content": "\n No, no. You cannot see how I am doing this Bhagavad-gītā As It Is? We don't misinterpret Bhagavad-gītā [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Well... Hare Kṛṣṇa, our in the bhajan Hare Kṛṣṇa we did. Perhaps we did with the boys and girls, not with adults.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n No, no. You have seen our book, Bhagavad-gītā As It Is?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n And the preachers will not be proper present.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n No. No. I can train them. My submission is that this movement is acceptable all over the world.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Yes, yes.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n That is experimented. Why not government gives this movement in a systematic way? I am trying alone in my own, individual way.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n That is the [indistinct].",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n Government understand it [indistinct] that this important..., is very, very important from religious side, and people are eager for it.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Well the government difficulties, this being a secular state... You see, the difficulty would be...",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n First of all accept Bhagavad-gītā. We are speaking on the Bhagavad-gītā.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Government... Then government has to also [indistinct] book…",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n Then why the [indistinct] did not accept another religious books? [end]",
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"content": "\n You know the rules and regulation? What are they?",
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"content": "\nNo illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication, no gambling.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "\nThank you.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Jīmūta.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nJīmūta-bhāva. Jīmūta. A great king, devotee. Come on. Next? Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāmaiva kevalam [Cc. Ādi 17.21]. You know the rules and regulation? Rules and regulation?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nYes.",
"role": "user"
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{
"content": "\nYes. What is that?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n [indistinct]\n Pañcaratna.",
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"content": "\n Pañcaratna dāsa. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Pañca means five; ratna means jewels. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [japa] You know the rules?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] no meat-eating, no illicit sex, no gambling.\n Navaratna.",
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"content": "\n Navaratna. Navaratha. Nine chariots. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Come on. \"One who has got nine chariots.\" [japa]",
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"content": "\n Aṣṭaratha.",
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"content": "\n Aṣṭaratha, \"one who has got eight chariots.\" Hare Kṛṣṇa. [japa]\nYou know the rules and regulation?",
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"content": "\n Patrick. Daśaratha.",
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"content": "\n Daśaratha, the father of Lord Rāmacandra. Hare Kṛṣṇa. \"Who could drive his chariot from ten directions.\" Hare Kṛṣṇa. [japa]",
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"content": "\n Daśarha.",
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"content": "\n Daśarha, a king in the dynasty in which Lord Kṛṣṇa appeared. Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nNext? Pay obeisances to Prabhupāda.",
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"content": "\n You know the rules and regulation? What are they?",
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"content": "\n No illicit [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Sixteen.",
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"content": "\n Very good. Come on. What is her name?",
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"content": "\n Śaśimukhi.",
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"content": "\n Śaśimukhi. Śaśi means moon, and mukhi means face.",
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"content": "\n Very fortunate name. Come on. So...?",
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"content": "\n Mahāmāyā.",
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"content": "\n Mahāmāyā. Mahāmāyā, the illusory energy. [laughter] [chuckles] So illusory energy is not bad. Illusory energy is another face of Rādhārāṇī. Those who do not want to worship Kṛṣṇa, for them illusory energy is there. Come on. You know the rules and regulation? Hare Kṛṣṇa. Come on.",
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"content": "\n Hemalatā.",
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"content": "\n Hemalatā, golden leaf. [japa]",
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"content": "\n Saptaratha.",
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"content": "\n Saptaratha, \"one who drives seven chariots.\" Hare Kṛṣṇa.\n[aside:] Take care. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Divine birth is not... There's no known being, super-being, here to... Here you find Vietnam War, you find here Bangladesh, you find all suffering, and they'll cry all around to God that \"He will come and protect us,\" and there is no protection anywhere from this.",
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"content": "\n Well, this kind of protection, crying at the time of danger, this is experienced from past history also. Just like in the last war in Germany. One German friend told me that naturally the all the women went to the church for praying, \"My Lord, save my husband. Save my brother.\" Because all men were in the front; only women were left. So they were praying that \"My husband may come back. My brother may come back\" or \"My father may come back,\" but nobody came back, and they thought, \"Oh, there is no God. Our all prayers are useless.\" They became atheist.",
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"content": "\n Then that God should come.",
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"content": "\n So God is not your order-supplier.",
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"content": "\n God is not your order-supplier. You create war and pray to the church. Why you create war? Precaution is better than... Unless you [are] Kṛṣṇa conscious, then you will—tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā [Īśo mantra 1]—you will encroach upon others' property. That pāpa-bīja has to be killed. Now, after creating war... What is the use? After creating war by your own fault, if you go to the church and pray God, \"Please save me,\" so who wanted you to create this war? They are creating their wars, and they are making God as order-supplier: \"Now I have created war. Please stop it.\" Why? Did you do it by the sanction of God? So they must suffer.\nHow can you make God as your order-supplier? You create something by your own fault and you ask God to come and save you. What is your answer? That is... That is, means, sva-karma-phala-bhuk [Cc. Antya 2.163]. You have created something: you must suffer for that. You have created some disease: you must suffer it. Why you violated the law of nature and created your disease? Is it not a fact that when you eat, overeat, and you have got so many troubles in the stomach, then you must suffer for some time. You have created that disease.",
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"content": "\n Well, when there is war, that thing happens everywhere. But the persons who create war, they are responsible for it. Yadā yadā hi dharmasya. First of all we have to understand.\nyadā yadā hi dharmasya\nglanīr bhavati bhārata\nabhyutthānam adharmasya\ntadātmānaṁ sṛjāmy aham\n[Bg. 4.7]\nparitrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ\nvināśāya ca duṣkṛtām\n[Bg. 4.8]\nSo Kṛṣṇa says, paritrāṇāya sādhunam vināśāya ca duskrtam, yuge yuge sambhavāmi. So first of all we have to know who is a sādhu. He specifically meant paritrāṇāya sādhūnām. Sādhūnām. So who is a sādhu? That sādhu is also described. Bhajate mām ananya-bhāk sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ [Bg. 9.30]: \"Those who are constantly engaged in My devotional service, they are sādhus.\"\nSo Kṛṣṇa comes to save the sādhus. But Kṛṣṇa, being Absolute, either He saves the sādhus or kills the duṣkṛtas, it is the same. It is the same. Because when Kṛṣṇa kills somebody, he is also liberated immediately. Paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ. Dharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya: and He comes to reestablish the principles of religion. What is that principle of religion? That is stated by Kṛṣṇa in the last paragraph of Bhagavad-gītā. Not last; in the last chapter. Sarva-dharmān parityajya. Anything which... Dharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya: \"I come to reestablish the religious principles.\"\nBut again He says, sarva-dharmān parityajya, parityajya, that any religion which does not teach how to surrender to God, that is not religion. Therefore He says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. This is only religion. Now tell me if I am right or wrong?",
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"content": "\n No, no. You quoted from Bhagavad-gītā; I am replying from Bhagavad-gītā. You quoted from Bhagavad-gītā, so your answer should be given from the Bhagavad-gītā. You told me that Kṛṣṇa, or God, transcended [indistinct]. So what is adharma, what is dharma, who is sādhu—these things should be understood. But generally, this movement is to create sādhus.\nSo you have to give time. You have to cooperate. This incarnation of Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa and nāma, Kṛṣṇa's name, is the same. Abhinnatvaṁ nāma-naminoḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.133]: \"There is no difference between Kṛṣṇa's name and Kṛṣṇa.\" So you encourage this movement, you will see that there will be no more fighting. Kṛṣṇa has come. Welcome Kṛṣṇa. This is noncooperatation Kṛṣṇa, then how you'll get happiness? Kṛṣṇa has already come by this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. You receive Him. Yad yad ācarati śreṣṭha [Bg. 3.21]. You are all respectable gentlemen. You accept it. Then others will follow. Tat tad evetaro janaḥ. And if leading personalities of the society, reject it, then how Kṛṣṇa is welcome? How can you expect? [Hindi]\nEveryone should welcome this movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Then actually there will be dharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya, paritrāṇāya sādhūnām. Everything will be done. Just like when Kṛṣṇa was personally present, how many received Him? Only the Pāṇḍavas and the gopīs and the vṛndāvana-līlā is there. Nobody knew Him as Kṛṣṇa. In the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra, how many knew Him that He was Kṛṣṇa? But everyone benefited. Everyone benefited. Everyone who died in the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra, they got salvation. That is stated in Bhīṣma's teachings.\nSo they got the benefit, but not that everyone understood Kṛṣṇa. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum... [Bg. 9.11]. Many... Even nowadays there are so many scholars, [indistinct] svāmīs, they do not accept Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Even nowadays, what to speak of then? Even at the present moment. They are reading Bhagavad-gītā, and they are trying to kill Bhagavān, Kṛṣṇa. That's all. That is their business, killing... Kaṁsa's business. Kaṁsa was trying killing Kṛṣṇa, always thinking, \"How to kill Kṛṣṇa?\"\nSo, so many Bhagavad-gītā commentators, scholars, their only business is how to drive away Kṛṣṇa from Bhagavad-gītā. That is their business. They do not give on the personality of Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. I have several times told you. Even scholars like Dr. Radhakrishnan, he says like that, \"It is not to Kṛṣṇa, person.\" Why?\nWhy this demonic attitude? How you can get help from Kṛṣṇa? That is... We are discussing now daivī-sampāt and āsuri-sampāt. Āsuri-sampāt means to kill Kṛṣṇa. That's all. To wipe out Kṛṣṇa from Bhagavad-gītā and bring something else. Six hundred and sixty-four editions of Bhagavad-gītā. This is going on.\nPrasādam? [end]",
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"content": "\nBalaṁ balavatāṁ...\nbalaṁ balavatāṁ cāhaṁ\nkāma-rāga-vivarjitam\ndharmāviruddho bhūteṣu\nkāmo 'smi bharatarṣabha\n[Bg 7.11]\n[I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles, O Lord of the Bhāratas [Arjuna]]\nNow, this particular verse we are discussing last day, that lust, or sex desire, on the principles of religiosity is Kṛṣṇa. This point we have discussed very elaborately, you may remember, that so far necessities of this body are concerned, that is allowed, but in a regulated form.\nThe necessities of this body are four: we must eat something; we must have rest, sleep for some time; we must defend ourself from the attack of enemies; and we, er, we must have the facility for sex life also. These things are necessary for keeping up this body. But one who is going to liberate himself from this material entanglement, he cannot use this excessively. There must be regulated.\nJust like a diseased person, he is put under regulation. He is also given to eat something. Although eating is not very good for a diseased person, still, he is allowed to eat something, some barley water, some fruit juice, some light food, so that... Starvation is also not good, so he is allowed. But he cannot be allowed foodstuff according to the patient's desire. The foodstuff is allowed to him according to the direction of the physician.\nSo if we want to be conversant, well-equipped, with Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then we have to regulate our life. That regulation, that regulation is given in various scriptures, and here also Lord Kṛṣṇa says. He is describing Himself, how you can remember Him in every circumstances of your life. So similarly, sex life is also a necessity, a necessity for our life. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, \"Yes, I am also in sex life, provided it is,\" I mean to say, \"carried according to the scriptural injunction.\" What is that scriptural injunction? That one must get himself married; otherwise, sex life is not allowed. It is considered sinful.\nMarried life sex life is allowed. Kṛṣṇa says that dharma-aviruddhaḥ. Aviruddhaḥ means not against religious principle. The religious principle is putrārthe kriyate bhāryā putra-piṇḍa-prayojanam. According to Vedic literature, one should marry just to have a child, putra. Putra means son. The derivative meaning of putra is pun-nāmno narakād yasmāt trāyate iti putraḥ. For our sinful reaction we have to visit some hell, which is known as pun. So it is prescribed in the Hindu scripture that the child, when the father dies, the boy has to perform several ceremonies, which is called śrāddha ceremony, so that if the father for his sinful acts is in trouble in his next life, this ceremony will protect him. These are the some of the thoughts. And they are true. So putra means pun-nāmno narakād yasmāt trāyate iti putraḥ: \"One who delivers the father from the hell which is known as pun, he is called putra.\"\nSo therefore, how can I have putra without wife? If one wants a son without wife, that is not possible. Therefore the scriptural injunction is that according to the Vedic rules you get yourself married and have good sons to protect your family and to protect yourself. This is called religious sex life. So this religious sex life, Kṛṣṇa recommends. And He says that \"Sex life in religiosity is I am. I am present there. I am present there.\"\nAnd next He says,\nye caiva sāttvikā bhāvā\nrājasās tāmasāś ca ye\nmatta eveti tān viddhi\nna tv ahaṁ teṣu te mayi\n[Bg 7.12]\n[All states of being-be they of goodness, passion or ignorance-are manifested by My energy. I am, in one sense, everything—but I am independant. I am not under the modes of this material nature.]\nI think we have discussed all this. Now, tribhir guṇamayair bhāvair ebhiḥ sarvam idaṁ jagat [Bg 7.13].\n[Deluded by the three modes [goodness, passion and ignorance], the whole world does not know Me who am above the modes and inexhaustible.]\nWe are discussing about the three modes of material nature. Now, the Lord says that the whole world is captivated by the three modes of material nature. And mohitam, and bewildered by the actions and reaction of these three modes of material nature, one has forgotten his eternal relationship with God, or Kṛṣṇa. We have got eternal relationship with God because we are sons of God. How the relation can be broken? Suppose you have got son. Now, he is not obedient to you. That is all right. He has gone out of home. He does not like you. But the relation cannot be broken. When he will be asked, \"What is your father's name?\" he has to name your..., that \"I am son of such-and-such gentleman.\" That relation cannot be broken.\nSimilarly, we are all sons of God, Kṛṣṇa. So our relationship is eternal, but we have forgotten. Just you understand: God is all-powerful, all-famous, He possesses all wealth, He possesses all beauty, He possesses all knowledge and He possesses all renunciation. So we are sons of such a great personality. We have forgotten. Just a rich man's son forgets his father and becomes mad and lying on the street and begging—oh, that is due to his forgetfulness.\nIf somebody gives him information that \"Why you are suffering in this way? You have got your father's riches. You go home and enjoy your father's property. Your father is very much anxious to have you. Why you are rotting in this condition?\" And if he comes to his senses that \"Oh, I have suffered so much. Now I shall go back to my father and enjoy life...\"\nThis is our condition. We are under threefold miseries here in this material world. Always we are suffering by these threefold miseries: adhyātmika, adhibhautika and adhidaivika, threefold miseries. Some miseries are pertaining to this body and mind. Just like one of our student—all of a sudden, he has got some aches and he has to undergo surgical operation. So this is going on.\nSomething misery are due to the body, something miserable due to the mind, something miserable due to the nature. All of a sudden, it becomes very cold. All of a sudden, it becomes very hot, warm. Nature. All of a sudden, there is great snowfall. All of sudden, there is earthquake. So many miseries, so due to nature, due to body, due to mind and due to other living entities. Oh, somebody attacks me with dagger. A tiger attacks me with his jaws. So many difficulties, miseries in every step. Padaṁ padaṁ yad vipadāṁ na teṣām [SB 10.14.58].\n[For those who have accepted the boat of the lotus feet of the Lord, who is the shelter of the cosmic manifestation and is famous as Murāri, the enemy of the Mura demon, the ocean of the material world is like the water contained in a calf's hoof-print. Their goal is paraṁ padam, Vaikuṇṭha, the place where there are no material miseries, not the place where there is danger at every step.]\nSo we should remember this. But due to the illusion, being covered by the illusion, we don't take account of these miseries. But we must remember that we are always in miseries. An intelligent person who is developed in consciousness, he enquires, \"Why I am in miseries? I do not want miseries. Why I am in miseries?\" When this question arises, then there is chance of becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious. You will find how one becomes..., comes to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. You will find, later verses. Catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ sukṛtino 'rjuna [Bg 7.16].\n[O best among the Bhāratas [Arjuna], four kinds of pious men render devotional service unto Me—the distressed, the desirer of wealth, the inquisitive, and he who is searching for knowledge of the Absolute.]\nSo, bewildered by this interaction of these three modes of nature, we have forgotten our eternal relationship with God. And Kṛṣṇa consciousness means that we have to revive. Just like a psychiatrist, psychiatrist, they, by some lectures revive his consciousness. So we are, more or less, not the person who is going to the psychiatrist, but every one of us more or less mad, bewildered by this material nature. So we have to cure our madness and become situated in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is the whole problem.\nMohitaṁ nābhijānāti mām ebhyaḥ param avyayam\n[Bg 7.13]. \n[Deluded by the three modes [goodness, passion and ignorance], the whole world does not know Me who am above the modes and inexhaustible.]\nParam avyayam. Avyayam means which has no end; which never, I mean to say, annihilates. That is called avyayam: eternal, never can be killed. So we are also avyayam. We have discussed all these points in the very beginning of Bhagavad-gītā, that we are living entities, we have no birth, no death. The birth and death is concerned with this body, but we are sons also of this supreme eternal, param avyayam. So we are also avyayam. The sons of gold is also gold. But we are in this miserable condition. Why? Because we are bewildered by these material three modes of nature.\ndaivī hy eṣā guṇamayī\nmama māyā duratyayā\nmām eva ye prapadyante\nmāyām etāṁ taranti te\n[Bg 7.14]\n[This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.]\nThis madness, this hallucination, this illusion of this material world, is very difficult to overcome. It is very difficult. But Lord Kṛṣṇa says, mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te. If anyone voluntarily, or understanding his miserable life, if he surrenders unto Kṛṣṇa, \"My dear Kṛṣṇa, I forgot You for so many lives. Now I understand that You are my father, You are my protector. I surrender unto You.\" Just like a lost child goes to the father, \"My dear father, it was my misunderstanding that I went away from your protection, but I have suffered. Now I come to you.\" The father embraces, \"My dear boy, you come on. I was so much anxious for you all the days. Oh, it is happy that you have come back.\" The father is so kind.\nSo we are in the same position. As soon as we surrender ourself to the Supreme Lord... That is not very difficult. A son's surrender to the father, is it very difficult job? Do you think is it very difficult job? A son is surrendering to his father. It is quite natural. There is no insult. Father is always superior. So if I touch the feet of my father, if I bow down before my father, it is glory. It is glorious for me. There is no insult. There is no difficulty. Why should we not surrender unto Kṛṣṇa?\nSo this is the process. Mām eva ye prapadyante. \"All these bewildered living entities, when they surrender unto Me,\" māyām etāṁ taranti te, \"he has no more any miseries of life.\" He becomes at once under the protection of the father. You will find in the end of Bhagavad-gītā, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo mokṣayiṣyāmi mā śucaḥ [Bg 18.66].\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\nWhen the father... When the child comes on the breast of his mother, the mother protects. If there is any danger, the mother is prepared to give her life first, then the child's life. Similarly, when we are under the protection of God, then there is no fear. We becomes fearless under the protection of God. The child..., small children, they have got this faith on the father and the mother.\nSo we should take shelter of Kṛṣṇa—mām eva ye prapadyante. \"Anyone who takes shelter unto Me, he is out of this danger at once.\" At once. So why not do this? Is it very difficult job? No. Then why the person do not take shelter? If it is so easy thing, a certain child is going to surrender unto the care of his father, it is so simple thing, why people do not do this? Why? Because people are, I mean to say, challenging even the existence of God.\nNow, the godless civilization: \"Oh, nature is everything. Science is everything. God is nothing.\" Their advancement of this material knowledge means they are getting more and more mad. Their madness is increasing. Instead of being cured, their disease is being increased. This is the material civilization. \"Don't care for God.\" All right, don't care. Then you care for this material nature. He will give you... She will give you good kicks. She is engaged for kicking you always, twenty-four hours, threefold miseries. Mind that. But we are so much, I mean to say, what is called, accustomed to this kicking that we don't... We think, \"It is all right. You go on kicking. My dear material nature, thank you very much for your kicking.\" You see?\nSo we have become so fools, and we are very much proud of our education. Can you conquer material nature? Who has conquered? The material nature is always inflicting upon us threefold of miseries. That's all right. Again the four things, janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam [Bg 13.9]:\n[Humility, pridelessness, nonviolence, tolerance, simplicity, approaching a bona fide spiritual master, cleanliness, steadiness and self-control; renunciation of the objects of sense gratification, absence of false ego, the perception of the evil of birth, death, old age and disease; nonattachment to children, wife, home and the rest, and evenmindedness amid pleasant and unpleasant events; constant and unalloyed devotion to Me, resorting to solitary places, detachment from the general mass of people; accepting the importance of self-realization, and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth—all these I thus declare to be knowledge, and what is contrary to these is ignorance.]\nThe birth, the miseries of birth; the miseries of death; the miseries of old age; and miseries of diseases—can you solve? No. Then what advancement of knowledge you have got? The death is there. The old age is there. The disease is there. Then what advancement you have made? You are so much proud. This is called māyā. He is in the same stage, miserable stage, but he is thinking that \"I am advanced in knowledge. I am advanced in knowledge.\" This false pride. You see?\nSo the simple thing is that father has to surrender..., er, the son has to surrender to the father. Simple thing. And the father, what kind of father? He is not ordinary father. He is Bhagavān. Bhagavān means possessing full power, full strength, full wealth, full knowledge. He's not ordinary father. He is not like material father, a poor father without any knowledge. But here is the father who is full of knowledge, full of opulence, and we have to surrender to such father. Don't you think yourself to be lucky to go to such a father and enjoy His property? Why you are so fools?\nThis foolishness, why they are so much fools, that is described in the next verse:\nna māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ\nprapadyante narādhamāḥ\nmāyayāpahṛta-jñānā\nāsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ\n[Bg 7.15]\n[Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons, do not surrender unto Me.]\nThese are the good qualifications of the fools. What is that? Duṣkṛtina. Duṣkṛtina means always doing against the scriptural or religious injunction. Always, continuously. Our business is now to break the rules of scriptures. That's all. That has become our business, duṣkṛtina, always. Duṣkṛtina, sukṛtina, means a pious worker and impious worker. Just a man, lawful; and law..., outlaw. Who is outlaw, and who is lawful? One who obeys the state laws, he is called lawful citizen. And one who does not obey the state laws, he is put into the prison house, he is called outlaws.\nSo these duṣkṛtina and sukṛtina, who is pious and who is impious, there must be some standard rules. The pious is he who follows the scriptural injunction, and impious is he who does not follow. Every civilized nation, every civilized man has got his scripture. May he be a Christian, may be a Hindu, may be a Muhammadan or may be a Buddhist—it doesn't matter. But everyone has got his authority, book of authority, scripture. So one who does not follow the scriptural injunction, he is outlaw. He is punishable. Duṣkṛtina.\nAnd mūḍha. Mūḍha means fool number one. These people do not go to God. These qualified peoples—duṣkṛtina, means impious; mūḍha, fool number one; and narādhama, and lowest of the humankind, lowest of the humankind; and māyayāpahṛta-jñāna, and bewildered of his knowledge; and āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritaḥ, and atheistic mentality. These people. One who has developed...\nNow, the simple thing is to surrender unto the father. Anyone can do it. There is no difficulty, there is no insult, and it is all prospective. Everything is good. But still, people do not do it. Why? These are the qualifications. What are the qualification? That he is impious, he is fool number one, he is lowest of the mankind, his knowledge has been plundered by illusion and he is atheistic. Anyone who is qualified all by these qualifications, he cannot surrender to his father. He is still to be punished by the agent of father, the material nature. He is still to be slapped and caned very good and kicked. He has to suffer.\nJust like the father chastises the unruly boy, so the father, Kṛṣṇa, or God, has employed this material nature, nurse. She is nursing also. She is giving us very nice foodstuff, at the same time giving good slap. Both things are going on. Because we are all rich man's son. We are not poor man's son, poor man's son. No. So we are getting all supply of food. That is all right. God is kind. Even we are rebelled, even we do not surrender unto Him, still, He is so kind, He is sending us grains, He is sending us fruits, so many things. And duṣkṛtina, instead of so many things for foodstuff, he is still doing impious acts for his eating, which is not sanctioned. So these things are going on.\nSo these kinds of people who are fool number one, impious, lowest of the mankind, and whose knowledge has been exploited by this illusory energy and who is atheistic, these people, they do not go to God. Now why mūḍha? Mūḍha means fool number one. Just like I explained that he is being kicked in every step; still, he is thinking that \"Oh, I am very intelligent.\" This is a sign of fool number one. And narādhama. Why narādhama, lowest of the mankind? Oh, because this human form of life is meant for recognizing our relationship with Kṛṣṇa, or God. This is an opportunity. In the life of cat and dog, oh, they cannot come here to understand what is spoken in the Bhagavad-gītā. Even they come, they cannot understand. First of all they will not come. But human being, it is made for human being.\nSo if human being does not take advantage of this knowledge, any knowledge that will help him to revoke his forgotten relationship with the supreme father... That is called knowledge. So here is the book, the Supreme Personality of Godhead is personally speaking. So if we do not take advantage of this knowledge, simply like cats and dogs we eat, sleep, and have sexual intercourse with the opposite sex, and die without taking advantage of the higher consciousness, developed consciousness, which have been given to us by the grace of Lord through the material energy... We have got intelligence, but if we misuse this intelligence, do not take advantage, then are we not the lowest of the mankind?\nSo lowest of the mankind. Who does not take full advantage of this human form of life, he's the lowest of mankind. He should not have given this form of human life and developed consciousness, because he is misusing it. But Lord is so kind, gives us chance. Gives us chance. The material nature, although it is very powerful and it is punishing, but here is a chance by the will of God: \"All right, let these living entities, who are suffering under different covers of this material body in 8,400,000 species of life, now here he has got a chance, the human form of life, after many evolutionary process, many, many thousands and millions. Here is a chance.\" If you do not understand that \"Here is a chance to get me free out of this entanglement,\" if you don't take this chance, are you not the lowest of the mankind?\nSo the lowest of the mankind, the fool, the impious. Now, you can say, \"Oh, they are all degree holders at the university, M.A., Ph.D., D.A.C., and you are calling him the fool?\" Yes, still. \"Why?\" Māyayāpahṛta-jñānaḥ: by the illusory energy of the Lord, all their knowledge has been taken away. Why? Now, because the knowledge is meant for to understand what is, \"What I am? What is this nature? What is God? Why I am suffering? Is there any remedy?\" These are knowledge. And the more knowledge to manufacture a motorcar, to manufacture a radio, or television, and something for sense enjoyment, this is not knowledge. This is the plundered knowledge.\nThe knowledge was given to understand the problems of life, but it is being misused in manufacturing something which will satisfy my senses. That's all. That is not knowledge. They are thinking that this is knowledge. What is their knowledge? Do you think when there was no motorcar people could not go from one place to another? All right, some facility. That's all. But that is also becoming a problem. When everyone will have a motorcar, there will be no place to drive motorcar. You see?\nSo this is the māyā. This is called māyā. You are creating facilities, but it is being created for your future nonfacilities. You have got experience. When there was strike in your New York City, so for crossing one mile, one had to spend four hours. But if you could go on foot, within ten minutes you could cross that space. So these are the facilities. We are thinking that we are enjoying facilities, but actually they are not facilities.\nSo instead of wasting our energy for so-called facility, we should apply our energy: \"What I am? Why I am suffering? I do not like to suffer. Why suffering is imposed upon me?\" This is called knowledge. But by the illusory energy of māyā, the so-called knowledge, our real knowledge has been taken away, and some foolish knowledge has been imposed upon us that we are thinking, \"Oh, we are advancing. Advancement of knowledge.\"\nBy advancement of knowledge, we have manufactured atom bomb so that killing process can be accelerated. People are dying, and that dying process is accelerated, and we are proud. \"Advancement of knowledge.\" Oh, manufacture something which will stop death; then you have advancement of knowledge. Killing is there. What advancement? Killing is there, and you are faciliting, you are making more killing at one drop. This is not knowledge. This is called māyayāpahṛta-jñāna, \"the knowledge taken by the illusory energy.\"\nMāyayāpahṛta-jñānā āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ: and atheistic, atheistic, challenging against the supreme authority, challenging the father. Now, without father, I could not see the light of this world. Then what is the use of challenging my father, janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1], who is the supreme father, from whom everything has born? So how, what is this challenge? The āsuraṁ bhāvam.\nThere are two classes of men. In the Vedic scriptures we find there are two classes of men. Dvau bhūta-sargau loke 'smin daiva āsura eva ca [Bg 16.6]. Daiva. \n[O son of Pṛthā, in this world there are two kinds of created beings. One is called the divine and the other demonic. I have already explained to you at length the divine qualities. Now hear from Me of the demoniac.]\nViṣṇu-bhakto bhaved daiva āsuras tad-viparyayaḥ. There are two kinds of men. One is called the gods, demigods, and other is called the demons. And who is demon and who is god? Viṣṇu-bhakto bhaved daivaḥ. One who is devotee of the Supreme Lord, he is called demigod. He is also becomes god. And one who defies the authority of the Supreme Lord, he is called demon. So this demon and the gods are always there. Some are... But number of gods are very small, but there are.\nSo here, āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritaḥ, one who has acquired that demoniac qualities, challenging the authority of the Supreme Lord, they are asura, asura. Asura means demons. But of the demons, and the fools, and the lowest of the mankind, and whose knowledge has been plundered by the illusory energy, and who is impious, oh, they cannot go to God. It is impossible. They are not allowed. But they can be, provided they agree. God is always kind to accept anybody, but these people, they cannot have, due to their... They will have to suffer these threefold miseries for many more days. Then when they come to the senses, then they can come.\nSo against these four classes of men, there are another four classes of men, who take to the shelter of God, beginning. Beginning. And what they are?\ncatur-vidhā bhajante māṁ\njanāḥ sukṛtino 'rjuna\nārto jijñāsur arthārthī\njñānī ca bharatarṣabha\n[Bg 7.16]\n[O best among the Bhāratas [Arjuna], four kinds of pious men render devotional service unto Me—the distressed, the desirer of wealth, the inquisitive, and he who is searching for knowledge of the Absolute.]\nLord Kṛṣṇa says that \"Four kinds of men who are pious, they come to Me.\" And who are they? Ārta. Ārta plus pious. Ārta means distressed, at the same time pious. A man distressed does not mean that he is impious. He may be pious. A pious man, he may be in distress, because this material world is full of distress. So it is meant for pious or impious, both. Just like when there is winter, winter season, everyone suffers. It does not care for the pious, impious, or rich or poor.\nSimilarly, this place is full of miseries. Though the pious, he thinks of God in his miserable condition, but the impious, he cannot think. Just like if somebody is distressed and he goes to the church and prays, \"My Lord, I am distressed. Please help me,\" oh, he is good man. He is good man. Although he is praying for some necessities, but still, he is good man than the man who does not go at all to the church, because he does not believe. So here is a faith, faith in God, therefore he is accepted. Ārto arthārthī. Arthārthī, a poor man. He goes to the church and temple and prays to the God, \"My dear Lord, I am very poor man. Give me some money so that I may be happy.\" Oh, he is good man. He is good man.\nSo now these two class, and another class, jijñāsu. Jijñāsu means inquisitive. Just like an intelligent boy is very much inquisitive to understand. He asks always his parent, \"Oh, mummy, what is this? What is this? What is this?\" So mother explains. Similarly, one who is intelligent... These boys, these children who enquire, they are very intelligent boys. They will come out very intelligent in future. These are the signs of intelligence, the enquiring boy.\nSo similarly, there are persons who are very inquisitive. They are studying. Just like the scientist, they are making research. Similarly, when one makes research what is God, what is God... Now, scientifically, with great intellect, one tries to understand what is God, oh, he is also good. He is also good. He is making proper research. Yes. Then the distressed and the person in want and the inquisitive and jñānī. Jñānī means who has understood his spiritual constitutional position. He is called jñānī, man in knowledge. He also enquires; he also becomes; he also goes to God. Maybe personal, impersonal conception, but he is trying to take shelter of the ultimate truth, Absolute Truth.\nSo these four classes of men, they are called sukṛtina, they are called pious, because they are after God. And those four classes of men, they are impious, they are fools, they are lowest of the mankind, and their knowledge is plundered and they are demons—they cannot take shelter. So these two classes of distinction are always there. Not only now; from time immemorial, so long the history of this creation is there, material world, there have been so many atheists and so many... But in the ancient days their number were very small. Now they have increased. So these two classes of men are always there.\nSo it is better that we should..., even we have been in a different way... This Kṛṣṇa consciousness is open for everyone, and we can take advantage of it, and that is...\n[aside:] Will you read that prospectus?",
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"content": "\n All right. Eating all right? Eating? [Bīrabhadra answers; Prabhupāda can't hear] Hmm? Chanting all right? All right. Thanks. [chuckles] I was just searching you, missing you. You are here. [chuckles] Thank you. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [japa]\n[begins fire sacrifice]\nDo like that. As I have done. Yes. Take water. Yes. Little, little. Yes. Once more. Three times. Yes. Yes. Take water. Take water little, wash hands, throw it here. That's all. Like that. Now you do like that. Little, little. Keep it there.\n[chants with devotees responding:]\nnamaḥ apavitraḥ pavitra vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bahyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ\nśrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu\n[Garuḍa Purāṇa]\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\nNow do it again like that. [japa]\nKeep there.\nnamaḥ apavitraḥ pavitra vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bahyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ\nśrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu, śrī viṣṇu\nDo it again. [japa]\nNow the purport of this mantra I have several times explained, again explaining. Namaḥ. Namaḥ means surrender. Namaḥ oṁ namaḥ, this is the way of chanting Vedic mantra. Oṁ means addressing the Absolute, and namaḥ means \"I am surrendering.\"\nEvery Vedic mantra is begun oṁ namaḥ. Oṁ means addressing. So this mantra is chanted with surrender, namaḥ. Nothing can be done without surrender, because our this conditional life is rebellious life. We have rebelled against the supremacy of the Personality of Godhead. That is conditioned life.\nThere are so many theses to support this rebellious condition. Somebody is thinking that \"I am one with God\"; somebody is thinking, \"God is dead\"; somebody is thinking, \"There is no God\"; somebody is thinking, \"Why you are searching God? There are so many Gods loitering in the street.\" So in this way many theses are there.\nAll of them are different symptoms of rebellious condition. The sum and substance... Just like atheists, they are boldly saying, \"Oh, there is no God.\" Now..., but the impersonalists saying, \"There may be God, but He has no head, He has no tail. That's all.\" So in this way our condition is rebellious condition.\nTherefore Bhagavad-gītā instructs that \"You surrender.\" Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66].\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\nSo without surrender, there is no question of making any spiritual progress. Just like a person who has rebelled against the government—the first condition is to surrender; otherwise there is no question of mercy from the government. Similarly anyone, the living entity, any one of us who has rebelled against the supremacy of the Lord, the beginning of spiritual life is surrender.\nSo this mantra, initiation, namaḥ. Namaḥ means surrender. And who can surrender? Surrender... One who has understood the Lord, he can surrender, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 7.19]:\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nAfter many, many births of cultivation of knowledge, when one is perfectly wise, at that time he surrenders. Perfection of acquiring knowledge, or wisdom, is to surrender. So, namaḥ. Namaḥ means \"I surrender.\" And what is your condition? Never mind what is that condition. Apavitraḥ pavitro vā. Apavitraḥ means contaminated, and pavitra means liberated.\nSo we have two conditions. Either... Just like either we are healthy or we are diseased. There is no third condition. Crude example. Similarly, the living entities, they have two conditions. One condition is liberation, another condition is contaminated.\nTherefore living entity is called marginal, in between contamination and liberation. Either a living entity can be contaminated or liberated. There is no third condition. Therefore this mantra says, apavitraḥ pavitro vā. Either contaminated or liberated, it doesn't matter.\nNamo apavitraḥ pavitro, sarvāvasthām. Sarva means all; avasthām means condition. In any condition. Sarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā. In whatever condition you may be. Because two condition there are. For the living entities... The living entity is in the marginal position.\nEither he can be in material nature or in the spiritual nature. The spiritual nature means liberation, and material nature means contamination. So in this mantra it is said in either of the condition, never mind, either you are in material condition or spiritual condition.\nSarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā. Vā means either; yaḥ, anyone; smaret, smaret means remembers; puṇḍarīkākṣam. Puṇḍarīkākṣam means whose eyes are just like lotus petal. That means Kṛṣṇa or Viṣṇu. Yaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ sa bahya... Bahya means externally. Externally, this body. Abhyantaram. Abhyantaram means internally. Internally I am spirit. Just like internally, within this dress, I am internally.\nExternally I am this dress. Similarly, yaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣam. Either he is in the bodily concept of life or he is in the spiritual concept of life, either he is contaminated or he is liberated—in any condition, one who remembers Kṛṣṇa or Viṣṇu, bahyābhyantaram, he immediately becomes purified internally and externally. This is the substance of this mantra.\nAnd at the last we are chanting śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu. Because it may not be misunderstood that in this verse it is said that yaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣam, \"anyone who remembers the lotus-eyed.\" So somebody may think, \"My such-and-such lover is lotus-eyed,\" or in that way, lotus-eyed. There may be so many lotus-eyed. Therefore at last it is specifically said, śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu. \"Lotus-eyed\" means Viṣṇu, not anybody else. Śrī viṣṇu śrī viṣṇu. This is the basic principle of devotional life.\nIn Nārada Pañcarātra it is recommended... We are explaining these things in Devotional..., Nectar of Devotion. The basic principle of purification is smartavyaḥ satato viṣṇuḥ: always one has to remember Viṣṇu or Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa and Viṣṇu the same. When you speak Kṛṣṇa, it includes Viṣṇu. So smartavyaḥ satato viṣṇu vismartavyaḥ na jātucit.\nWe shall not forget Viṣṇu even for a moment. This is the basic principle of devotional life. Some way or other, we have to remember always Kṛṣṇa. Then whatever condition we may be, we are pure. Sa bahyābhyantaraṁ śuciḥ. This chanting helps us always remembering Kṛṣṇa. As soon as we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, hear, immediately we remember.\nSo, so long I remember, I am śuciḥ, I am pure, no material contamination. Therefore if I continue my life in that pure stage, then I am eligible for going back to Godhead. Because nobody can enter in the kingdom of God without being completely pure. Completely pure means anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Brs. 1.1.11], no material desire.\n[One should render transcendental loving service to the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṇa favorably and without desire for material profit or gain through fruitive activities or philosophical speculation. That is called pure devotional service.]\nHere in the material world, we manufacture so many plans to be happy, material desires. Somebody's thinking, \"I shall be happy in this way.\" Somebody's thinking... There is no question of happiness here. The place is contaminated. In a contaminated... Just like in an infected place you cannot be happy. The medical officer will ask you to leave that place, that \"This quarter has been infected by the disease. Better you leave, you go somewhere else.\" That is the treatment. Infected place must be left immediately.\nSo similarly, this world, this material world of three modes of different qualities, you have to keep yourself always antiseptic, pure, by remembering Kṛṣṇa. That is the process. As soon as you forget Kṛṣṇa, immediately the infection, māyā, immediately affects you. Kṛṣṇa bhūliya jīva bhoga-vāñchā kare [Prema-vivarta]. \n[When an individual soul forgets his eternal relationship with God and tries to lord it over the material nature or resources, that condition, that forgetful condition, is called māyā, or illusion.]\nWhat is that māyā? Māyā means to plan how to become materially happy. This is māyā. All the people of the world, they are simply making plan how they will be happy within this material world. That's all. This is māyā.\nThe history of the whole world studied, it is experience that the Roman Empire planned, the British Empire planned, the... So many empires, they flourish sometimes, all fail. The Britishers, they were, two hundred years ago, they were planning to rule over this vast land of America. George Washington declared independence; their plan failed. Similarly, in India they were planning to exploit.\nNow Gandhi's movement made it fail. So this is bigger plan. Similarly smaller plan also. There are many... Individually, we make so many plans that \"I shall be happy in this way, in that way, in that way.\" So this plan-making business is māyā, because that will never be successful. Trace out the history of the whole world. Nobody has become happy. Hitler made a plan, so great a plan. You see? He was frustrated.\nSo the sane man, intelligent man... Therefore Bhagavad-gītā says that a person who is actually intelligent, wise... How a man becomes wise? After being baffled or frustrated many, many times, he can understand this is not the process. And the Vedānta-sūtra also places the first, athāto brahma jijñāsā. \nWhen one is frustrated in all plan-making business, for him, the Vedānta-sūtra gives him the opportunity, \"Now your all plans have failed. Come here.\" Athāto brahma jijñāsā: \"Now try to understand what is Brahman.\" This is the first aphorism of Vedānta-sūtra. \"Just try to understand Brahman.\"\nSo in this way... This initiation also. Initiation means the first beginning, how to become purified. This is initiation. Because this devotional service means the process of purification. Now every one of you, individually you can understand how you are becoming purified from your past life. That is practical. Yes.\nHow you are becoming purified. So this initiation means the beginning of purificatory process. And the purificatory process, what is that? This mantra, yaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ sa bahyābhyantaraṁ śuciḥ. Anyone who always remembers, or whenever he remembers, if not always, as soon as he remembers, puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ sa bahyābhyantaraṁ śuciḥ, he becomes immediately purified internally and externally.\nSo those who are going to be initiated today, they should remember that... Not only they; all of us should remember. It is not that we have passed all examination. No. Māyā is very strong. Any moment she can catch up. [chuckles] As soon as... Just like a virulent type of disease, as soon as there is little negligence, there is relapse immediately, typhoid.\nSo the doctors take very much precautionary steps in the, what is called, convalescent stage of cure, because there is chance of relapse. Similarly, we are trying to be purified. This initiation means, do accept the path of purification. Now we have to continue that path of purification, and then, if you are strong enough, then we can very easily make progress to achieve the ultimate result. There is no doubt about it.\nSo bhakti-mārga, this devotional service, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, means to remember always Kṛṣṇa. Smartavyaḥ satato viṣṇuḥ vismartavyaḥ na jātucit. This is the basic principle, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We should always remember Kṛṣṇa and we shall never forget. And the very simple method, that we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. So Kṛṣṇa has given us tongue, so we can utilize it, and this is the beginning of spiritual life. This is the beginning of understanding God, or Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise we cannot understand what is God.\nAtaḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.136]. \n[”’Therefore material senses cannot appreciate Kṛṣṇa’s holy name, form, qualities and pastimes. When a conditioned soul is awakened to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and renders service by using his tongue to chant the Lord’s holy name and taste the remnants of the Lord’s food, the tongue is purified, and one gradually comes to understand who Kṛṣṇa really is.’]\nNāmādi, God has name. People say, \"Why there should be name of God? He has no name.\" The impersonalist says \"nameless.\" Why? The Vedānta-sūtra says, janmādy asya yataḥ: \"Everything is generated from Him.\" So if there is name, you have got name, I have got name, anything... This tape recorder has got name, this plate has got name, the place has got name, the carpet has got name, and simply God has no name? Why? [laughs] Just see the fallacy. The fountainhead of all names is God, and He has no name. You see? He is zero. These are the arguments. But we don't accept.\nThe thing is, they do not know the name, because their senses are not purified. You cannot understand God by imperfect senses. Therefore Bhāgavata says, ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi. Nāmādi. Nāma means name; ādi, because name is the beginning of everything. Just like if I want to make friendship with you, I ask you, \"What is your name?\" That is the beginning. If you go to the court, before beginning the judgment, \"What is your name? What is your father's name?\" You submit any application, \"What is your name?\" So nāmādi.\nSo if we want to understand the Supreme Absolute Truth, we should begin from the name, Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, the name, the holy name. But we cannot understand whether this is the name of God, due to our imperfect senses. Therefore the formula is, ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.136]. You cannot understand. Just like we are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, somebody is taking pleasure in hearing the name of Kṛṣṇa. Somebody may say, \"What is this nonsense? They are disturbing,\" because he has no knowledge of the name.\nBut this name... Not only name. Nāmādi, beginning from name. First of all name, then quality, then form, then pastimes, then entourage. In this way God has everything. When we say \"king,\" \"king\" means his kingdom, his palace, his secretary, his queen, so many, his government, his..., go on expanding, so many things, simply by one word, \"king.\" \"King\" does not mean simply one person. Similarly, when we say \"God\" or \"Kṛṣṇa,\" immediately it is to be understood that He has so many things behind Him. So many. The whole world is behind Him.\nSo how to understand? Ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi. His name, His quality, His form, His entourage, His expansion. Na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ. These indriya, these senses, materially contaminated, cannot understand, cannot grasp what is the name of Kṛṣṇa, what is the form of Kṛṣṇa, what is the quality of Kṛṣṇa. Then? \"Why you are taking so much trouble? If by these senses we cannot understand Kṛṣṇa, then what is the use of wasting time?\" No.\nThe next line is, sevonmukhe hi jihvādau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ: you cannot understand by exercising your senses, but He reveals. To whom? Who is in the service attitude, jihvādau, beginning from the tongue. Sevonmukhe hi jihvādau. Of all the senses, the tongue is considered to be the principal sense. So tongue, if the tongue is trained, or the tongue is spiritualized, then naturally all the senses become spiritualized. So jihvādau.\nSo our training is the tongue training. Train it chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa and let it taste kṛṣṇa-prasādam. Then what will be? The all other senses... There are five senses for acquiring knowledge, five senses for acting. Everything will be controlled. And devotional service, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, means sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170].\n[”’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nBy contacting relationship with Kṛṣṇa, the senses become purified. And what is the symptom of purification? Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam, to become uncontaminated by the designative material identification. There are so many things.\nSo the process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is purification of the senses, and the purification of senses begins by training the tongue with service spirit. So those who are going to be initiated, they should, especial... Everyone should note it, that we should train our tongue not to talk nonsense things. You see? Simply talk of Kṛṣṇa.\nWe have got so many subject matter. We have got Bhagavad-gītā, we have got Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, we have got Teachings of Lord Caitanya—so many books, hundreds and thousands, Upaniṣads, Veda, Vedānta, any one you select—talk. Just like Ambarīṣa. Sa vai manaḥ kṛṣṇa-padāravindayor vacāṁsi vaikuṇṭha-guṇānuvarṇane [SB 9.4.18].\n[Mahārāja Ambarīṣa always engaged his mind in meditating upon the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, his words in describing the glories of the Lord, his hands in cleansing the Lord's temple, and his ears in hearing the words spoken by Kṛṣṇa or about Kṛṣṇa. He engaged his eyes in seeing the Deity of Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa's temples and Kṛṣṇa's places like Mathurā and Vṛndāvana, he engaged his sense of touch in touching the bodies of the Lord's devotees, he engaged his sense of smell in smelling the fragrance of tulasī offered to the Lord, and he engaged his tongue in tasting the Lord's prasāda. He engaged his legs in walking to the holy places and temples of the Lord, his head in bowing down before the Lord, and all his desires in serving the Lord, twenty-four hours a day. Indeed, Mahārāja Ambarīṣa never desired anything for his own sense gratification. He engaged all his senses in devotional service, in various engagements related to the Lord. This is the way to increase attachment for the Lord and be completely free from all material desires.]\nMahārāja Ambarīṣa, he set a very nice example, that he fixed up his mind on the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa, and when he was speaking, he was talking about Kṛṣṇa.\nSo just try to utilize your tongue. It doesn't matter whether it is contaminated or purified, but the process is purificatory. You just train your tongue nicely, engage in Kṛṣṇa. So if you can talk, you go, preach, talk of Kṛṣṇa, talk of Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, lecture anywhere. Then you'll be doing the best service to the people and to yourself. If you think that you are unable to give speeches, then you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and eat prasādam. So there is no difficulty. So train the tongue. Sevonmukhe hi jihvādau [Brs. 1.2.234].\n[No one can understand the transcendental nature of the name, form, quality and pastimes of Śrī Kṛṣṇa through his materially contaminated senses. Only when one becomes spiritually saturated by transcendental service to the Lord are the transcendental name, form, quality and pastimes of the Lord revealed to him.]\nBeginning from the tongue, you shall be able to purify all your senses. And as soon as your senses are purified, you'll see Kṛṣṇa, you'll understand what is Kṛṣṇa, what is His name, what is His form, what is His kingdom—everything will be.\nSvayam eva sphuraty adaḥ. You haven't got to endeavor. As soon as your senses are purified, Kṛṣṇa is present, just like as soon as the night is over, the sun is present. You cannot search out sun in the darkness. You simply wait for the morning and the sun is at your door. Similarly, try to drive away the darkness, and Kṛṣṇa you'll see. You'll see, \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa is not dead. He's so nice.\"\nSo this initiation means beginning of purificatory process of the senses, and that beginning with the tongue. Very simple method. We are not asking you to show some gymnastic feats, or... No. Simply try to control your tongue. It is in your hand. And what is the means of controlling? Just engage chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa and take kṛṣṇa-prasādam. Some others will supply you nice prasādam. You see? It is very easy.\nDon't take anything which is not Kṛṣṇa prasādam and don't talk anything which is not Kṛṣṇa. Then you become liberated. Your path of liberation is open. Two things: don't talk anything except Kṛṣṇa, don't eat anything except Kṛṣṇa prasādam. Is it very difficult? [laughter] Hmm. All right.\nNow give me your beads. Yes. Beginning from here. Somebody tie his small beads. Chant, you. [japa] [Prabhupāda chants on beads] Bow down. Bow down here.\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\nSo you'll begin from one side like this, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Come to this side. You will ask your Godbrothers. They'll let you know how they are doing. And your spiritual name is Aravinda. Aravinda. A-r-a-v-i-n-d-a. Aravinda. Aravindākṣa. Kṛṣṇa's another name is Aravindākṣa. Aravinda means lotus flower.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So Kṛṣṇa's eyes are just like lotus petal and His feet is lotus feet. His abdomen, from abdomen lotus grows. So therefore in one word He is lotus, full lotus. [aside:] He's in painful condition?",
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"content": "\n Just catch him. Oh. Aravindākṣa is Kṛṣṇa's name. So Aravinda dāsa, your name. Aravinda dāsa brahmacārī. Now we have forgotten to chant the preliminary mantras. \nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the Six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nnama om viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya\nbhūtale śrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī, vārṣa, bhānavī, devī, dayi, tāya, kṛpa, hare\nkṛṣṇa, sambandha, vijñāna, dāyine, prabhave, namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrī Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.]\nmādhurya, ujjvala, premāḍhya, śrī, rūpānuga, bhaktida\nśrī, gaura, karuṇā, śakti, vigra, hāya, namaḥ, astu te\nI offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya's mercy, who deliver devotional service which is enriched with conjugal love of Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamaste, gaura, vāṇī, śrī, mūrtaye, dīna, tāriṇe\nrūpa, anuga, viruddha, apa, siddhānta, dhvānta, hāriṇe.\n[Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Praṇati]\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Lord Caitanya. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement which is against the teachings of devotional service enunciated by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnama, oṁ, viṣṇu, pādāya, gaura, kiśorāya, vipra,\nlambha, rasām, bhode, pādām, bujāya, te, namaḥ\n[Śrīla Gaurakiśora Praṇati]\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Gaura-kiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja [the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is renunciation personified. He is always merged in a feeling of separation and intense love of Kṛṣṇa.\nnama oṁ, bhakti, vinodāya, sac-cida, ananda, nāmine\ngaura, śakti, svarū, pāya, rūpa, anuga, varāya, te\n[Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Praṇati]\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Saccidānanda Bhaktivinoda, who is transcendental energy of Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is a strict follower of the Gosvāmīs, headed by Śrīla Rūpa.]\ngaura, vir, bhāva, bhūmes, tvaṁ, nirdeṣṭā, saj-jana, priyaḥ\nvaiṣṇava, sārva, bhaumaḥ, ṣrī, jagat, nāthāya, te, namaḥ\n[Śrīla Jagannātha Praṇati]\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who is respected by the entire Vaiṣṇava community and who discovered the place where Lord Caitanya appeared.]\nvāñchā, kalpa, taru, bhyaś ca, kṛpā, sindhu, bhya, eva ca\npati, tānāṁ, pāva, nebhyo, vaiṣṇa, vebhyo, namo, namaḥ\n[Śrī Vaiṣṇava Praṇāma]\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.]\nnama oṁ, mahā, vadānyāya, kṛṣṇa, prema, pradāya, te\nkṛṣṇāya, kṛṣṇa, caitanya, nāmne, gaura, tviṣe, namaḥ\n[Śrī Gaurāṅga Praṇāma]\n[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\npañca, tattva, atmakaṁ, kṛṣṇaṁ, bhakta, rūpa, svarū, pakam\nbhaktākhyaṁ, bhakta, avatāraṁ, namāmi, bhakta, śaktikam\n[Śrī Pañca-Tattva Praṇāma]\n[I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional incarnation, devotional manifestation, pure devotee, and devotional energy.]\nhe, kṛṣṇa, karuṇā, sindho\ndīna, bandho, jagat, pate\ngopeśa, gopikā, kānta\nrādhā, kānta, namaḥ, astu te\n[Śrī Kṛṣṇa Praṇāma]\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.\njayatāṁ, suratau, paṅgor, mama, manda, mater, gate\nmat, sarvasva, padām, bhojau, rādhā, madana, mohanau\n[Sambandhādhideva Praṇāma]\n[Glory to the all-merciful Rādhā and Madana-mohana! I am lame and ill advised, yet They are my directors, and Their lotus feet are everything to me.]\ndīvyad, vṛnda, araṇya, kalpa, drumādhaḥ\nśrīmad, ratna, agāra, siṁha, asana-sthau\nśrī śrī, rādhā, śrīla, govinda, devau\npreṣṭhā, devī, sevya, mānau, smarāmi\n[Abhidheyādhideva Praṇāma]\n[In a temple of jewels in Vṛndāvana, underneath a desire tree, Śrī Śrī Rādhā-Govinda, served by Their most confidential associates, sit upon an effulgent throne. I offer my most humble obeisances unto Them.]\nśrīmān, rāsa, rasa, arambhī, vaṁśī, vaṭa, taṭa, sthitaḥ\nkarṣan, veṇu, svanair, gopīr, gopī, nāthaḥ, śriye, astu, naḥ\n[Prayojanādhideva Praṇāma]\n[Śrī Śrīla Gopīnātha, who originated the transcendental mellow of the rāsa dance, stands on the shore in Vaṁśīvaṭa and attracts the attention of the cowherd damsels with the sound of His celebrated flute. May they all confer upon us their benediction.]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devī praṇamāmi hari-priye\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[O Śrīmāti Rādhārāṇī (the divine energy of the Lord Kṛṣṇa), O all-attractive reservoir of pleasure, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, please engage me in Your loving devotional service.]\nChant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [japa]\n[Prabhupāda chants on devotee's beads]\nBow down.\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\nŚrīvāsa... Now, you are finished. Take it. Your name is Gajendra.",
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"content": "\n Gajendra?",
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"content": "\n Yes. G-a-j-e-n-d-r-a. Gajendra. Gaja means elephant, and indra means king. King of the elephants.",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa!",
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"content": "\n So there was a great devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa who was king of the elephants. So you shall bring some elephants for us for preaching work. Come on.\n[aside:] You have got printed ten kinds of offenses? They should be... To avoid the offenses.",
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"content": "\n Right here.\n In the back room.\nWhere in the back room?",
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"content": "\nNow, give me.",
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"content": "\n Here it is, Prabhupāda. Should I read, Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n \"The ten offenses to avoid in chanting the mahā-mantra. The first is blaspheming the Lord's devotee.\" Just read them?",
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"content": "\n \"Second, considering the Lord and other demigods on the same level.\"",
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"content": "\n This is very important point, blaspheming the devotees. The Lord's devotee, in many countries, many places... Just like Lord Jesus Christ, he's also devotee of Lord. Muhammad, he's also devotee of Lord. So it is not that because we are Kṛṣṇa conscious, we shall unnecessarily decry any other parts, any other devotee.\nIt may be, according to time, place and country, the method may be different, but anyone who is preaching devotion to God, he's a devotee of God. So he should never be blasphemed. Yes.",
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"content": "\n \"Two. Considering the Lord and other demigods on the same level.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. One should not put the Supreme Personality of Godhead... Just like the Māyāvādī says, \"The demigods and God, they are all the same.\" Because according to them, God has no form, so any form you accept, imagine, as the form of God, it is as good. But that is not the fact. There are demigods and the Supreme God also. So we should not place... Just like demigod, Lord Brahmā or Lord Śiva, Indra, Candra, they are demigods. So we should not place...\nIn one sense, there is nothing except God, because everything expansion of God. But that does not mean I am equal to God. I am also expansion of God. That's a fact. Just like father and the son. Son is the expansion of father; still, the son is not the father. Don't mistake that. There is no difference between father and son, because the same body is expanded as son, but still, the son is not the father. Father is father, son is son. This, I mean to say, variety, the Māyāvādī philosophers, they do not understand. Then?",
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"content": "\n \"...or assuming that there are many Gods.\"",
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"content": "\n God is one. There cannot be many Gods. If God is not one, there is no meaning of God. God means, according to Vedic definition, asamordhva. Asama means one who has no equal. Nobody is equal to God. And urdhva means nobody is greater than God. God is great. Nobody can be greater than God. Therefore God is one. Nobody is greater, nobody is equal. That means everyone is lower. Then?",
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"content": "\n \"Neglecting the orders of the spiritual master.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. This is one offense. These are offenses. When we accept spiritual master, it is understood that you cannot deny his order. Just like Kṛṣṇa and Arjuna was talking as friends, but when Arjuna accepted Kṛṣṇa as spiritual master, he was simply hearing, and whenever there was difficulty to understand, he was questioning. Not that he was equally arguing with Kṛṣṇa. Before accepting Him, he was arguing.\nSo this is the position. Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He said that \"My spiritual master found Me a great fool.\" Caitanya Mahāprabhu is not a fool, but it is the good qualification of a disciple to remain a fool before the spiritual master. Therefore he'll never, I mean to say, dare to argue or disobey. That is offense.\nNow, go on. That does not mean that when you cannot understand, you cannot question. Question must be there. That is stated in this Bhagavad-gītā, tad viddhi praṇipātena paripraśnena sevayā [Bg. 4.34].\n[Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.]\nOur relationship is to know from a spiritual master everything, but you should know that with three things. What is that? First of all you should surrender. You must accept the spiritual master as greater than you. Otherwise what is the use of accepting one spiritual master? Praṇipāt. \nPraṇipāt means surrendering; and paripraśna, and questioning; and sevā, and service. There must be two sides, service and surrender, and in the middle there must be question. Otherwise there is no question and answer. Two things must be there: service and surrender. Then answer of question is nice. Yes.",
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"content": "\n \"The fourth offense is minimizing the authority of the Vedas.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Scriptures, authority of Vedas, they must be accepted. Just like the other day I was explaining, the Veda says the conchshell is pure, although it is a bone of an animal. In other places Veda gives you the injunction that bone of an animal is impure. But it says the conchshell is pure. It can be placed before the Deity, it can be used in the Deity room in His service.\nNow there may be argument, \"Oh, this is a bone of an animal. How is that? Contradiction.\" No. So one should accept the injunction of the Vedas like that. Whenever it says this is impure, it is impure; when it says it is pure, it is pure. Now, if there is any doubt, that should be understood by questioning submissively and with service from the spiritual master. The spiritual master is there.\nThen? But we should always accept the injunction of the scripture as truth. Just like there is a proverb, \"Bible truth,\" \"Bibilical [sic] truth.\" Nobody can deny Bible. This should be the attitude. Bible is also part of Vedas. Therefore Vedic injunction should be accepted as it is, without any interpretation.\nJust like Bhagavad-gītā is Veda. Why Veda? The Supreme Personality of Godhead personally speaking; therefore it is Veda. There is no mistake. One should accept—no interpretation—as it is. Therefore we are presenting Bhagavad-gītā As It Is.\nYes. Go on.",
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"content": "\n \"The fifth offense is interpreting the holy names of God.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. No interpretation in the holy... Just like Kṛṣṇa, the Māyāvādī philosophers may... Just like Gandhi has written, \"Pāṇḍava means the senses; Kurukṣetra means this body; Kṛṣṇa means the mind.\" No such nonsense interpretation. Kṛṣṇa is Kṛṣṇa.\nYes. Go on.",
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"content": "\n \"The sixth offense is committing sin on the strength of chanting.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Now we have explained the mantra that as soon as one chants Hare Kṛṣṇa, immediately, bahyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ, he becomes purified. Now if one takes advantage of this holy name, \"Let me commit sins...\" Just like sometimes in the Christian church, they take advantages that by confessing sin one becomes free from sinful reaction.\nSo go to church and confess, and again come out and do all sorts of sins, and again confess. This sort of [laughs] minimizing is a nonsense. It is fact. When you confess before the church, before God, you are free from all sinful action. That's all right. But if you commit again, then next confession will not be accepted.\nThey do not know this. You cannot... Suppose a child has committed some mistake. Father says, \"All right, don't do this.\" If he again does it, oh, there is no excuse. They do not know that. They think, \"We shall commit sin and go to church and confess and finish. So let us do this balancing business.\" Yes.\nSimilarly, don't do this balancing business, that \"Because chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa will wash off all my accounts of sinful activities, so in the morning, from morning to night, let me do all kinds of sinful activities, and at night, at bedtime, let me chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then finish.\" No. [laughs] Don't do that. Don't do that. That is the greatest offense. Yes. You'll never be forgiven.\nThose who purposely do like that—\"I have got very nice instrument for washing off my sinful activities. So whole day let me do all sinful activities, and at night let me chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Let me meditate. That's all. Finish.\" No. You should note that the name, the holy name, has got the power. Now, from this date, you are free from all sinful activities, reaction. But don't do it. That is the greatest offense. Yes.",
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"content": "\n \"The seventh offense is instructing the Lord's name to the unfaithful.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Those who do not believe in God, atheists, what is the use of...? But not to bother him, but give him the chance of hearing. That will make him competent to come forward. Therefore we are distributing this holy name. Not that everyone will be immediately turned to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, but we are giving chance.\nIf they hear... You have got practical experience: somebody's hearing, he's reforming. So we should give chance. But if one is staunch atheist, we should not talk very much with him about Kṛṣṇa. He may say something against, offensive. Yes.\nThen?",
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"content": "\n \"The eighth offense is comparing the holy name to material piety.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. And another thing, just like we are holding this ceremony, initiation ceremony. It should not be accepted just we are functioning some ritualistic ceremony. No. It is different from ritualistic ceremony. Although it appears like ritualistic, it is transcendental. Ritualistic ceremony, they are meant for giving you advantage of become pious, from impious life.\nIt also gives that, but this is not the ultimate aim. The ultimate aim is to give you love of God, which is far, far transcendental to the pious and impious activities. That is a different thing that belongs to the spiritual world—love of God.\nIt is not that it is a function to nullify your sinful activities. That is automatically done. Just like if you get one million dollars, the purpose of ten dollars automatically solved. Similarly, this acceptance of holy name of God will automatically wash off all your sinful reaction. That's a fact.\nBut it is not meant for that purpose. It is meant for higher purpose, to attain to this platform of loving God, rendering transcendental loving service to the Lord. That is the aim. Yes.",
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"content": "\n \"The ninth offense is inattentive while chanting the holy name.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. This is ninth offense. While you chant, you hear also. You don't turn your attention to anything else, mechanically chanting and thinking of something. Thinking of Kṛṣṇa is all right, but if I think something which is not in Kṛṣṇa consciousness... Best thing is that I shall chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, and each word I shall hear; then it will be very much effective. Yes.",
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"content": "\n \"The tenth offense is attachment to material things while engaged in the practice of chanting.\"",
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"content": "\n That I explained, ahaṁ... This is the disease, ahaṁ mameti [SB 5.5.8]. \n[The attraction between male and female is the basic principle of material existence. On the basis of this misconception, which ties together the hearts of the male and female, one becomes attracted to his body, home, property, children, relatives and wealth. In this way one increases life's illusions and thinks in terms of \"I and mine.\"]\nThe material disease means I am thinking this body, \"I am,\" and everything belonging to this body or in relationship with the body, \"mine.\" This is material disease. So we shall see. By chanting we shall see how much we are making progress, how much I am free from these two concept of life, that \"I am this body, and anything belonging to this body is mine.\"\nThis is the test, how we are becoming free from these two concept of life. If there is still the concept that \"I am this body and anything belonging to this body is mine,\" then you have to chant very cautiously to make progress. Yes. That's all. These ten kinds of offenses you should be guard against.\n[japa] [break] [japa]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\nCome on. Your new name, Anurādhā. A-n-u-r-a-d-h-a. Anurādhā. Anu. Anu means one who follows, and Rādhā, Rādhārāṇī you know. So one who follows Rādhārāṇī. Wherever Rādhārāṇī goes, she follows.",
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I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.]\nNo, no. Everyone take little, little. [continues mantras] Very little, little take, everyone. [continues mantras] Let him come. You come also. You take. Your yajña is not... You can take.\n[continues mantras] Svāhā. Offer. Svāhā. Three times. I shall say svāhā three times; you'll offer. Why don't you... Svāhā. Why you are sitting? Take and offer. You keep in hand and three times in three division you'll offer. Everyone take.\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa on this earth, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nnama oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale\nśrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nśrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayitāya kṛpābdhaye\nkṛṣṇa-sambandha-vijñāna-dāyine prabhave namaḥ\nI offer my respectful obeisances to Śrī Vārṣabhānavī-devī-dayita dāsa [another name of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is favored by Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and who is the ocean of transcendental mercy and the deliverer of the science of Kṛṣṇa.\nmādhuryojjvala-premāḍhya-śrī-rūpānuga-bhaktida-\nśrī-gaura-karuṇā-śakti-vigrahāya namo 'stu te\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, the personified energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mercy, who delivers devotional service enriched with conjugal love of Śrī Śrī Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, coming exactly in the line of revelation of Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamas te gaura-vāṇī-śrī-mūrtaye dīna-tāriṇe\nrūpānuga-viruddhāpasiddhānta-dhvānta-hāriṇe\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto you, who are the personified teachings of Lord Caitanya. You are the deliverer of the fallen souls. You do not tolerate any statement against the teachings of devotional service enunciated by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\nnamo gaura-kiśorāya sākṣād-vairāgya-mūrtaye\nvipralambha-rasāmbhodhe pādāmbujāya te namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Gaurakiśora dāsa Bābājī Mahārāja [the spiritual master of Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī], who is renunciation personified. He is always merged in a feeling of separation and intense love of Kṛṣṇa.]\nnamo bhaktivinodāya sac-cid-ānanda-nāmine\ngaura-śakti-svarūpāya rūpānuga-varāya te\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrīla Saccidānanda Bhaktivinoda, who is the transcendental energy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. He is a strict follower of the Gosvāmīs, headed by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī.]\ngaurāvirbhāva-bhūmes tvaṁ nirdeṣṭā saj-jana-priyaḥ\nvaiṣṇava-sārvabhaumaḥ śrī-jagannāthāya te namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to Śrīla Jagannātha dāsa Bābājī, who is respected by the entire Vaiṣṇava community and who confirmed the discovery of the place where Lord Caitanya appeared.]\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvenebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They are just like desire trees who can fulfill the desires of everyone, and they are full of compassion for the fallen conditioned souls.]\nnamo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te\nkṛṣṇāya kṛṣṇa-caitanya-nāmne gaura-tviṣe namaḥ\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmātī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\npañca-tattvātmakaṁ kṛṣṇaṁ bhakta-rūpa-svarūpakam\nbhaktāvatāraṁ bhaktākhyaṁ namāmi bhakta-śaktikam\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[I offer my obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa, who is nondifferent from His features as a devotee, devotional manifestation, devotional incarnation, pure devotee and devotional energy.]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, O ocean of mercy, O friend of the distressed and the source of creation, O master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\njayatāṁ, suratau, paṅgor, mama, manda, mater, gate\nmat, sarvasva, padām, bhojau, rādhā, madana, mohanau\n[Sambandhādhideva Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[Glory to the all-merciful Rādhā and Madana-mohana! I am lame and ill advised, yet They are my directors, and Their lotus feet are everything to me.]\ndīvyad, vṛnda, araṇya, kalpa, drumādhaḥ\nśrīmad, ratna, agāra, siṁha, asana-sthau\nśrī śrī, rādhā, śrīla, govinda, devau\npreṣṭhā, devī, sevya, mānau, smarāmi\n[Abhidheyādhideva Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[In a temple of jewels in Vṛndāvana, underneath a desire tree, Śrī Śrī Rādhā-Govinda, served by Their most confidential associates, sit upon an effulgent throne. I offer my most humble obeisances unto Them.]\nśrīmān, rasa, arambhī, vaṁśī, vaṭa, taṭa, sthitaḥ\nkarṣan, veṇu, svanair, gopīr, gopī, nāthaḥ, śriye, astu, naḥ\n[Prayojanādhideva Praṇāma]\nsvāhā, svāhā, svāhā\n[Śrī Śrīla Gopīnātha, who originated the transcendental mellow of the rāsa dance, stands on the shore in Vaṁśīvaṭa and attracts the attention of the cowherd damsels with the sound of His celebrated flute. May they all confer upon us their benediction.]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devī praṇamāmi hari-priye\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[O Śrīmāti Rādhārāṇī (the divine energy of the Lord Kṛṣṇa), O all-attractive reservoir of pleasure, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, please engage me in Your loving devotional service.]\nNow take each one banana. Stand up.\nnamo brahmaṇya-devāya\ngo-brāhmaṇa-hitāya ca\njagad-dhitāya kṛṣṇāya\ngovindāya namo namaḥ\n[Let me offer my respectful obeisances unto Lord Kṛṣṇa, who is the worshipable Deity for all brahminical men, who is the well-wisher of cows and brāhmaṇas, and who is always benefiting the whole world. I offer my repeated obeisances to the Personality of Godhead, known as Kṛṣṇa and Govinda.]\nNow put this banana slowly like this. Put, everyone. That's all right.\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[My dear Lord, and the spiritual energy of the Lord, kindly engage me in Your service. I am now embarrassed with this material service. Please engage me in Your service.]\nNow chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta will now deliver a brief message in regarding the Ratha-yātrā festival, following which the members of the press will present their questions to His Divine Grace.",
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"content": "\n My dear boys and girls, I thank you very much for your kindly receiving me to serve you. This Ratha-yātrā festival is part of our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement was started by Lord Kṛṣṇa five thousand years ago in the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra. Perhaps all of you know the famous book of knowledge, Bhagavad-gītā.\nIn that Bhagavad-gītā, Ninth Chapter, last verse, it is said there, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg. 9.34], mām evaiṣyasi kaunteya. In that verse it was assured by [the] Lord that if \"always think of Me.\" Man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ. \"Become My devotee.\" Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī. \"Just worship Me. In this way you will come to Me.\" Mām evaiṣyasi.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means to utilize to the best possible means this human form of life. We are coming to this human form of life in the evolutionary process from aquatics to reptiles, to plants and trees, then birds and beasts, then human form of life. Out of that human form of life, there are many uncivilized form of life, just above the monkeys. But those who are civilized... Civilized means those who are following the instruction of the Vedas, varṇāśrama-dharma.\nThe human society [is] divided into four varṇas and four āśramas. The four varṇas are social division, namely the student life, the householder life, the retired life and renounced life. These four divisions of social life and four divisions of spiritual life—brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha..., brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra—in this way there are eight divisions. These eight divisions of human society are very scientifically adopted. It is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13]. This civilized division of human society is so perfect that one can gradually, from the aquatic life, can go back to home, back to Godhead.",
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"content": "\n Jaya! Haribol!",
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"content": "\n So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the greatest boon to the human form of life. When Lord Kṛṣṇa was present, He advised this Kṛṣṇa conscious movement in the shape of Bhagavad-gītā. Unfortunately, there are many scholars, academic scholars of Bhagavad-gītā, but because they do not come in the disciplic succession from Kṛṣṇa, they misinterpret the real sense of Bhagavad-gītā and mislead the whole human society to the darkest region of ignorance.\nSo when Kṛṣṇa was present, once upon a time there was a lunar..., solar eclipse. At that time Kṛṣṇa, with His elder brother and sister... His elder brother's name was Balarāma, and His younger sister's name was Subhadrā. This Subhadrā was also wife of Arjuna. So these three brothers and sisters in a chariot came from Dvārakā to Kurukṣetra.\nAt that time the inhabitants of Vṛndāvana... Vṛndāvana... Kṛṣṇa's childhood was spent at Vṛndāvana under the care of His foster father, Nanda Mahārāja. So when Kṛṣṇa went to His real father, Vasudeva, at Dvārakā, and came back to Kurukṣetra on this occasion of solar eclipse, the inhabitants of Vṛndāvana, who were suffering too much out of separation from Kṛṣṇa, they came to see Him. And at that time His beloved Rādhārāṇī was too much afflicted. She said, \"Kṛṣṇa, You are the same Kṛṣṇa, I am the same Rādhārāṇī. But the place is different, Kurukṣetra. It is not Vṛndāvana. Therefore I wish that You come with Me to Vṛndāvana and let Us enjoy Our previous life.\" This is the ecstasy of the residents of Vṛndāvana.\nLord Caitanya, when He appeared, He took sannyāsa at the age of twenty-four years, and by His mother's request He was living at Jagannātha Purī. So every year He was taking part in this car festival of Jagannātha. This Jagannātha Deity was established by one King Indradyumna about..., more than three thousand years ago. This temple is very old. Even in some literatures of your Christian religion I find that Lord Jesus Christ also went to this Jagannātha temple and lived there for some times. Of course, how far it is true, that is to be judged by you, but I have read this information in a Christian book, Aquarian Gospel. So if we take this incidence that Lord Jesus Christ also went to Jagannātha temple, then from historical point of view it is two thousand years old. But it is, according to our calculation, it is more than three thousand years old.\nSo this Indradyumna king, he asked Viśvakarma to carve the deity of Kṛṣṇa, Balarāma and Subhadra. And there was a time limit. Viśvanātha..., Viśvakarma made an agreement that \"Unless I finish the deitys' carving very nicely, you cannot see me.\" So door was closed. And the king was very much anxious to see the temple is established very soon, so he forcibly opened the door, and he saw that the deities were half finished. The Deity Jagannātha as you see, it appears half finished. The king decided, \"Never mind it is half finished. I shall install these deities in the temple.\" Since then, the three deities Jagannātha, Balarāma and Subhadrā are being worshiped in India, Jagannātha Purī. Perhaps you know. And the car festival takes place every year, and millions of people go there to participate in that cart..., car festival.\nSo because we have started this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement in your country, this car festival and Lord Caitanya's taking part in this is one of the paraphernalia of our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. And because it revives our consciousness about Kṛṣṇa, it is an easy process for reviving mass Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore if you participate in these car festivals, as it is stated in the scriptures, rathe ca vāmanaṁ dṛṣṭvā punar janma na vidyate... If you kindly see these Jagannātha deities riding on these carts and in procession, and as Caitanya Mahāprabhu chanted the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra in front of this cart, then according to our Vedic scripture, if you participate in this festival, in your next life you'll go to back, back to home, back to Godhead.",
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"content": "\n Jaya! All glories to Prabhupāda!",
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"content": "\n So at least I'll request you to come and see this car festival. There is no expenditure, but it is simply joyful. You haven't got to pay anything. You simply come, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, dance with us, and when you are tired we shall give you nice prasādam. So on behalf of Kṛṣṇa conscious society I invite you, all boys, girls, ladies and gentlemen, to take part in this car festival, and I thank you very much.",
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"content": "\n Now His Divine Grace will answer questions from the members of the press.\n Prabhupāda, hi. Why do you think...",
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"content": "\n It is very interesting question. Our this body is combination of matter and spirit. So we have got some temporary necessities of this body. That is called material necessities. So far your country is concerned, your country is opulent. They have got all supplies of the necessities of the body. Now after this, there is another urge, which is described in the Vedānta-sūtra as brahma-jijñāsā, inquiring about the Supreme Absolute Truth. When one is above material poverty or material necessities of life, the next question is—that is natural—about spiritual. Because we are combination of matter and spirit, so that spiritual inquiry is there.\nTherefore generally, these boys and girls, they looked to some Indian svāmī to give them some enlightenment. Unfortunately, perhaps before me all the svāmīs who came here, they did not give them the right information. Perhaps they did not know it. So I am giving, delivering, the right message of spiritual life, Bhagavad-gītā. It is not manufactured by me or concocted by me. It is the old story, five thousand years. Why five thousands years? If we accept the statement of Bhagavad-gītā, this book of knowledge was first discussed with the sun-god some millions of years ago. So it is not a new thing. But in due course of time, sometimes it becomes covered.\nSo Lord Caitanya, five hundred years ago, He wanted to give the spiritual knowledge of Kṛṣṇa consciousness throughout the whole world, and He has ordered to every Indian that anyone who has taken birth as a human being in India should preach this transcendental knowledge throughout the whole world. So perhaps previously..., means somebody have preached this Kṛṣṇa consciousness knowledge, but since 1965 or '66, since I started this movement from New York, generally all the boys and girls, younger section, they are very much kind upon me, and they are coming to me. And I am very glad to have them. I am just training them to the right spiritual standard of life, and I am happy they are abiding by them.",
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"content": "\n All glories to Prabhupāda!\n Prabhupāda, do you have any advice for ordinary Americans?",
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"content": "\n This is open for everyone, not ordinary or extraordinary. Anyone can come and chant with us and take advantage of this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Unfortunately, the elderly people, they do not think that it is necessary. That is the difficulty. Rather, we invite not only these boys and girls—their fathers, their grandfathers. Let all of them come and scrutinizingly study this philosophy.\nWe have got hundreds of books. It is the..., Śrī Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, it is understandable even by the child and even by the greatest philosopher of the day. Recently I had some talks with Dr. Stahl on this high level understanding of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So if philosophers, scientists, thinkers, they come to me, we can convince them how this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is important for the whole human society. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Haribol! Prabhupāda's mercy! Mercy, Prabhupāda! [devotees applaud]\n Do you know how many followers there are in the United States now?",
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"content": "\n Unlimited. [devotees roar] Some of them admit and some of them do not admit. That's all. [laughter] Everyone is eternally servant of God, but some of them admit and some of them do not admit. That is the difficulty. But anyone who does not admit, he is servant of somebody. That is a fact. He cannot be master. Everyone is servant. But one who knows that \"I am servant of Kṛṣṇa,\" his life is perfect. That's all.\nPlease try to understand this point that everyone is servant. Even your president is servant of the nation. So nobody can say that \"I am no one's servant.\" He is servant, but he does not know that actually he is the servant of the Supreme Lord. That is his ignorance. We are just eradicating this ignorance, that \"You are servant, but you admit that you are servant of God. That will make your life successful.\" That's all. Therefore I say that there are unlimited followers. Some of them admit and some of them do not admit. That is the difficulty. But if anyone comes to me, I shall make him to admit. Yes. [devotees roar] Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nThat's all. Anyone? Finish?",
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"content": "\nHuh? No. Trees. Yes. Yes. The trees, they eat from the root. That is their eating process. You pour water on the root of the tree, and that water the whole tree sucks. That is their eating. Therefore they are called aṅghripāḥ. They drink their food, eatables, by the leg. So their qualification is para-bhṛtaḥ. Para-bhṛtaḥ means trees are meant for sustaining others. Trees... Just like a nice mango tree, it produces nice fruit, but it does not eat. It is for you.\nPara-bhṛtaḥ, maintains others. The tree gives shelter, the tree gives fruits. You cut trees for your purpose; it does not protest. Therefore the tree's life is dedicated for the service of others. So Śukadeva Gosvāmī says, \"Whether such nice living entity who has dedicated his life for others does not give you fruits?\" So why you are thinking of your food problem? The food is there in the tree and the garment is on the street.\nThen where is my home, apartment? Śukadeva Gosvāmī says, ruddhā guhāḥ kim [SB 2.2.5], \"Whether the caves of the mountain are closed?\"\n[Are there no torn clothes lying on the common road? Do the trees, which exist for maintaining others, no longer give alms in charity? Do the rivers, being dried up, no longer supply water to the thirsty? Are the caves of the mountains now closed, or, above all, does the almighty Lord not protect the fully surrendered souls? Why then do the learned sages go to flatter those who are intoxicated by hard-earned wealth?]\nThey are open for you. The caves of the mountain are open for you, the trees are there to supply you food, and people throw away old garments, that is your dress. And water? Water supply? Śukadeva Gosvāmī says, \"Whether the rivers are dried up?\" There is water. In this way he gives a very nice list so that you can become very independent.\nThere is no problem for your bodily demands. But one has to practice. Formerly the saints, mendicants, sages, they used to practice like that, that not dependent on any condition. And so far God, God is within you, so you haven't got to go anywhere to search out God. God is with you, and you can be independent in this way.\nSo there is no problem for executing devotional service to the Lord. And that is the highest perfection of all religious principle. But we have to practice. And that is not possible in this age. This age is called Kali. It is very difficult age. People are not very much interested to the most important problem of life. They are alpāyuṣa. Prāyeṇālpāyuṣaḥ sabhya kalāv asmin yuge janāḥ [SB 1.1.10]. \n[O learned one, in this iron Age of Kali men almost always have but short lives. They are quarrelsome, lazy, misguided, unlucky and, above all, always disturbed.]\nPeople are short-living and manda. Manda means very slow for ultimate goal of life. The ultimate goal of life is to search out or is to reestablish your lost relationship with God. That is the mission of human life. Otherwise, what is the difference between animal life and human life? The animal life, they are also busy for eating, sleeping, mating and defending. So if we human being, we are also similarly busy, then what is the difference?\nSo this sort of civilization, simply making nice arrangement for eating and sleeping and mating and defending, that is not practically human civilization. The human civilization is meant for searching out God. Na te viduḥ. They do not know, unfortunately. They have forgotten. But by good association, they can remember. Therefore this meeting of Krishna Consciousness Society's meeting is just to give people chance to associate with the Society and invoke their lost relationship with God. That is the missionary activities of this Society.\nSo that is the highest gift to the human society. There are so many welfare activities in the human society. People open hospitals, schools, colleges, charitable institution. They are nice. But the best contribution to the human society is to revive his lost relationship with God. Just like a rich man's son.\nSomeway or other he has left his father's home and he's loitering here and there. Somebody finds him: \"Oh, you are Mr. Such-and-such. You are the son of such-and-such gentleman. He's very rich man. Why you are suffering? Come, come with me. I shall take to your father.\" So this is one kind of welfare activity.\nAnd another welfare activity, the same person who is loitering in the street, somebody says, \"Oh, you are hungry. All right, come on. I shall give you some bread.\" That is also welfare activity. But this welfare activity, to get the lost son to his father, rich father, not ordinary father, that is the best service. Similarly, all living entities, as Kṛṣṇa claims in the Bhagavad-gītā... Kṛṣṇa claims,\nsarva-yoniṣu kaunteya\nsambhavanti mūrtayaḥ yāḥ\ntāsāṁ mahad yonir brahma\nahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā\n[Bg. 14.4]\n[It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kuntī, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father.]\nIn many places in the Bhagavad-gītā Kṛṣṇa claims all living entities as His sons, parts and parcel. Just like your children, they are part and parcel of your body. They are not different from you. The same blood is running in his body. Similarly, our constitutional position is that the same blood of God is running in our body. We are not different in that way from God.\nThere are two kinds of philosophers. One class of philosopher, they say that we are one with God. Another class of philosopher says that we are different, God is different from living entity. But Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu has adjusted that we are simultaneously one and different, just like the father and the son. The father is one with the son, but at the same time, the son is different from the father. The son cannot claim cent per cent equality with the father. That is not possible. But the son's body is nondifferent from the father's body.\nSimilarly, living entities, we are simultaneously one and different from God. One in this sense: that all the qualities that God has, the same qualities the living entity has. But the difference is God has all the qualities in fullness, and so far we are concerned, we have got all the godly qualities in minute. That is the difference. Aṇu and vibhu. Vibhu means unlimited, and aṇu means limited. So we have got opulence, fame, beauty, strength, influence, knowledge—all good qualities that God has. But God has got in full; we have got in minute quantity.\nSo anyway, qualitatively, we are one with God. Therefore our business is how to again unite with God qualitatively. That is the highest perfection of human life. And this chance of realization, how we can unite again with God, or Kṛṣṇa, is given only in the human form of life. We are wandering in so many species of life, transmigration of the soul. Vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya [Bg. 2.22].\n[As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, similarly, the soul accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.]\nJust we change our dress, similarly we are changing our body every moment, and finally we are changing to other body. Not only we are changing or transmigrating from one body to another, but we are transmigrating from one planet to another. These things are all explained in the Bhagavad-gītā.\nHow we are changing our planets also, that is explained:\nūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthā\nmadhye tiṣṭhanti rājasāḥ\njaghanya-guṇa-vṛtti-sthā\nadho gacchanti tāmasāḥ\n[Bg. 14.18]\n[Those situated in the mode of goodness gradually go upward to the higher planets; those in the mode of passion live on the earthly planets; and those in the mode of ignorance go down to the hellish worlds.]\nThose who are developing the modes of good qualities, they are gradually being promoted to the higher planetary system, heavenly planet—Satyaloka, Janaloka, Maharloka. In those planets the duration of life is very long, the possibilities of sense enjoyment is very nice. Everything thousand, thousand times better than this. This is not very difficult to understand. Just like in your country...\nAlthough within this planet the standard of living is far, far nice, better than some other country, similarly there are hundreds and millions of planets, other planets, where the standard of living is far, far better. So we are, according to our work, we are sometimes promoted to those planets and sometimes to the lower-grade planets, adho gacchanti tāmasāḥ [Bg. 14.18].\n[Those situated in the mode of goodness gradually go upward to the higher planets; those in the mode of passion live on the earthly planets; and those in the mode of ignorance go down to the hellish worlds.]\nSo this is going on. I do not know how long, since what time we have begun this wandering, changing. Lord Caitanya says that ei rūpe brahmāṇḍa bhramite kona bhāgyavān jīva [Cc. Madhya 19.151]. \n[”According to their karma, all living entities are wandering throughout the entire universe. Some of them are being elevated to the upper planetary systems, and some are going down into the lower planetary systems. Out of many millions of wandering living entities, one who is very fortunate gets an opportunity to associate with a bona fide spiritual master by the grace of Kṛṣṇa. By the mercy of both Kṛṣṇa and the spiritual master, such a person receives the seed of the creeper of devotional service.]\nHe says that the living entities are wandering in such a way, in different species of life, in different planets, lower and higher. In this way, if he is fortunate enough, he comes in contact with a bona fide spiritual master under the grace of Lord Kṛṣṇa. That means if anyone is fortunate, he comes in contact with guru and Kṛṣṇa, a bona fide spiritual master and Kṛṣṇa.\nAnd what is the benefit? The benefit is guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja [Cc. Madhya 19.151]. The benediction from the bona fide spiritual master and Lord is that his sense of devotional service is invoked. That is the gift. He does not give anything material opulence.\nOf course, if one is advanced in spiritual consciousness, material happiness is not very rare for him. That is automatically there. But the gift of Kṛṣṇa and spiritual master is to inject him. Not inject him... The devotional service, love of Godhead, is there, but to invoke it.\nThis devotional service is not artificial. In every one of you there is dormant devotional service, as I have already explained, but they are exhibited in a different way. Instead of loving God, that devotional service is diverted in loving a dog. But the love is there. Love is there.\nNitya-siddha kṛṣṇa-bhakti sādhya kabhu naya [Cc. Madhya 22.107].\n[”Pure love for Kṛṣṇa is eternally established in the hearts of the living entities. It is not something to be gained from another source. When the heart is purified by hearing and chanting, this love naturally awakens.]\nIt is said that this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is not an artificial thing that we have manufactured something, ideal thing, concocted, and we are preaching to the world that \"You become Kṛṣṇa conscious.\" No. The Kṛṣṇa consciousness is there. What is that Kṛṣṇa consciousness? To love God. That is there. We are simply helping that \"You try to love God; then you'll be happy.\" That is our mission.\nTherefore this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is postgraduate position of all religion. You accept Christianity—very good. You accept Muhammadanism, Islamism—very good. You accept Hinduism—that's all right. We have no quarrel with Hindus and Muslims or Christians or Buddhists.\nBut our objective is that religion means there is connection, relationship with God. Take, for example, Christian religion. They accept God: \"God created this,\" the beginning of Bible. That's a fact. So the God consciousness is there. \"God is great,\" the God consciousness there.\nNow these Christmas holidays you have begun in your country. Throughout the whole month of December you'll observe nice festival, festivities. Why? Where it began? God consciousness. Lord Christ, he came to give you God consciousness, and in his relationship these festivities are going on. It may be degraded in another form, but the beginning is God consciousness.\nBut we have lost it. So people cannot be happy without reviving God consciousness. It may be named in a different way—\"Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" That means God consciousness. That is the necessity. He's trying to love somebody. That somebody's love will be perfected when he loves Kṛṣṇa, or God.\nWe are teaching that. Try to love God, and if you love God, if you love Kṛṣṇa, then automatically you love everybody. That is the perfection of love. The example is just like if you love your stomach, if you supply nice food to your stomach, that means you love all the parts of your body. If you supply foodstuff in the stomach, the energy is distributed in all parts of the body. That means you love all parts of the body. If you love the tree, you pour water on the root, and the water is distributed to the branches, fruits, flowers, leaves, everywhere.\nSo you try to love God and you'll see that you're loving even an ant. There are many examples I can cite in the history, how a man became universal lover. I have told you many times the story of a hunter. The hunter was taking pleasure by killing animals half, and when the same hunter became a devotee, he was not prepared to kill even an ant. So this is love of Godhead. This is the sign, that the same hunter who was killing every day so many animals, when he became a great devotee of Lord, he was not willing—because he becomes vastly learned.\nTo become lover of God means fully enlightened in consciousness. He sees that \"Here is an ant. This living entity, a small living entity, is also part and parcel. By his own work, he has got this insignificant body as an ant. I have got this human form of body, but that does not make any difference between the soul and the soul.\" Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ [Bg. 5.18]. \n[The humble sage, by virtue of true knowledge, sees with equal vision a learned and gentle brāhmaṇa, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste].]\nWhen it becomes actually... When a man becomes actually learned, he's sama-darśīna, he sees everyone on the equal level.\nI was seeing just this evening the Ten Commandments. Now, in the Ten Commandments, the one commandment is that \"Thou shall not kill.\" But I am sorry to feel that killing propensity is so great in the Christian world. Why? Because there is lack of love of God. That \"Thou shall not kill,\" and now there is organized killing process.\nSo I do not know how they are following the Christian principles. It is clearly stated, \"Thou shall not kill. Thou shall not tease your neighbor.\" So why should I tease an animal neighbor? These defects are due to lack of love of God.\nTherefore the whole problems of the world can be solved only by this movement, how to love God. This is a very sane proposal. Let anybody come before us and we shall be able to convince him that this is the only solution for all the problems of the world. You try to love God and everything will be solved. Otherwise, there is no possibility. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ [SB 7.5.31]. \n[Persons who are strongly entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is to return home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Viṣṇu. As blind men guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, materially attached men led by another materially attached man are bound by the ropes of fruitive labor, which are made of very strong cords, and they continue again and again in materialistic life, suffering the threefold miseries.]\nThese are stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānās te 'pīśa-tantryām uru-dāmni baddhāḥ. They do not know what is the solution of world problems. What is that solution? They do not know the solution is svārtha-gatiṁ viṣṇum: your interest is to love God.\nUnfortunately, you have been misled, durāśayā, by a false hope. Bahir-artha-māninaḥ, by external energy. The leaders... Now we are, we are preaching love of God, nobody is interested. But if we had given some political bluff that \"Here will be such-and-such party's meeting, and it will give you heaven hand to hand,\" oh, people will throng. You see? Because they are cheating. Satya bole ta mare lakta[?]. There is a nice poet, he says that if you tell the truth, people will come with their logs to hurt you. And chuta jagat bolai[?]: and if you bluff them, they will be very nicely follower. This is the position.\nActually, this is the solution. It is not that \"This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement or Bhaktivedanta Swami who has started, he has concocted this idea.\" No. It is standard. You come to argument, to reason, this formula: that your interest is to love God. You have no other interest in this human form of life. Then your problems of life will be solved. Otherwise there is no possibility. If any other person is giving you any other idea, he's simply misleading you.\nThat is also stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, andhā yathāndhair upanīyamānāḥ [SB 7.5.31]. Just like a blind man is leading other blind men. What he'll do? If a blind man says, \"Come on. Come along with me. I shall cross you this road,\" what is the benefit of this assurance? He is blind himself. Therefore in spite of so much endeavor in the United Nation for the last twenty or twenty-five years, there is no solution; simply the flags are increasing. [laughter]\nInstead of becoming united, the flags are increasing. I have got practical experience. Now India become independent. So India was one. Now there are two: Pakistan and India. So there was one flag; now it is two. And gradually, it will increase to four. So when I pass that United Nation building, I simply see the flags are increasing. Instead of increasing the peace movement, the flags are increasing, that's all.\nSo this sort of bluffing blind leaders cannot make happy the human society. This is the only solution: to push on Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, love of Godhead. Everyone will be happy, the human society. Viśvaṁ pūrṇaṁ sukhāyate [Prabhodānanda Sarasvatī].\n[For a devotee, the pleasure of merging into the existence of Brahman is considered hellish. Similarly, he considers promotion to heavenly planets just another kind of phantasmagoria. The yogīs meditate for sense control, but for the devotee the senses appear like serpents with broken teeth. The whole material world appears joyful for a devotee, and even great personalities like Lord Brahmā and Lord Indra are considered no better than insects. Such is the position of a devotee who has received but a small glance of the mercy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Unto this most magnanimous personality I offer my respectful obeisances.]\nWhole universe will be just like Vaikuṇṭha. Vaikuṇṭha means without anxiety. The material civilization means full of anxiety. Full of anxiety. Nobody... Just like everyone, every animal, every bird, everyone is anxious. The bird, you give him some grains, it will eat, but it will look like this: \"Oh, if somebody is not coming to kill me.\"\nAnxiety, you see. America is so great, big nation, full of anxiety: \"Russia is not coming? China is not coming? Oh, the Vietnam is there.\" The China is also, \"Oh, America is doing something. Oh. Let us see.\" This is going on. What is this greatness? Increasing the anxieties, that's all. Sadā samudvigna-dhiyām asad-grahāt [SB 7.5.5]. \n[Prahlāda Mahārāja replied: O best of the asuras, King of the demons, as far as I have learned from my spiritual master, any person who has accepted a temporary body and temporary household life is certainly embarrassed by anxiety because of having fallen in a dark well where there is no water but only suffering. One should give up this position and go to the forest [vana]. More clearly, one should go to Vṛndāvana, where only Kṛṣṇa consciousness is prevalent, and should thus take shelter of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.]\nBecause they have accepted something unreal, which will not give them happiness. Here is reality, love of God. You take it. Don't expect that it will be taken by all the nations, all the people. You take it individually and see how much you are happy. Individually. That is our request.\nSo we have no place. So we don't mind. We can sit down underneath a tree and preach this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Some gentleman has offered this garage. That's all right. So people are afraid to give us place, you see, because we are pushing God consciousness. That is our fault. You see? This is the position. So never mind. We can sit down anywhere and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. And I'll request you to come and join us, and you'll be happy.\nThank you very much.",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? When the soul transmigrates from one body to another, the consciousness also of that gross[?] body, does the person retain some of the consciousness of his past lives with that transmigration?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Consciousness is a constant companion of the soul. The consciousness means there is soul. Just like this body. I am speaking, I am talking or I am feeling—this consciousness. I am conscious. Why? Because I, the soul, is present. So consciousness is the symptom of the presence of the soul. Therefore when the soul transmigrates, the consciousness is also there in another body. But this consciousness, if I take God consciousness, then I go to God. And if I take dog consciousness, I go to dog. That's all.\nThe consciousness is there. Therefore we have to purify our consciousness. Instead of dog consciousness we have to make it God consciousness. That will be our perfection of life. Otherwise, the consciousness which you carry at the time of your death, you get a similar body. There are 8,400,000's species of life, and we may think of in a varied way. That is the technique of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. At the time of, if we keep our Kṛṣṇa consciousness intact, that is our perfection of life. Otherwise we do not know what is my next life.\nThe example is given just like air is passing. Air is very subtle matter. If it is passing on the rose flower, the flavor is carried in other place also, rose scent. And if the air is passing on the stool, the scent or the bad smell of the stool is carried to the other place. Similarly, if you make your consciousness rosy, then your next life is rose flavor. [chuckles] And if you make your consciousness stool, then your next life is condemned. Yes.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] thinks if the qualities of God are contained in man but only on a minute scale, and in God all qualities are on a great scale...",
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"content": "\n Full scale, yes.",
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"content": "\n ...then are not also the evil qualities in man existent in God, too, but...",
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"content": "\n Yes. The evil qualities... What you call evil, that quality is also there in God. But God, being absolute, there is no evil; everything is good. God is good. I'll give you example. Just like the father is sometimes angry. The quality of anger is taken as bad quality. But if the father is sometimes angry on the father [son], that is not bad. That is for his good. Therefore...\nThis is a crude example. The qualities are there in God; otherwise how we can get the quality? If the anger quality is not there in God, how we get this quality? That is a fact. But His anger and your anger is different because you are in materially contaminated.\nSo qualities, as they are, they are not bad. But when they are saturated with the contamination of this material world, they appear to be bad. Just like a naughty child. A naughty child means that child is going to be very intelligent boy or girl in future. That is a fact. Naughtiness means that child is very intelligent. So in course of time that naughtiness will fructify into intelligence.\nSo here all the godly qualities are misrepresented, perverted reflection. Just like love. Now, our worshipable God is Kṛṣṇa and Rādhā, conjugal love perfection. The same love is descended here also, love between boy and girl, but that is perverted. The love is there. The same love is there also.\nOtherwise wherefrom this girl? Why a girl is attracted by a boy? Why a boy is attracted by a girl? That is natural. That is coming from God, His pleasure potency. But because that love is being manifested with the contamination of this material world, that is perverted.\nSo every quality... That is the, I mean, scientific way of studying God. Whatever qualities you have got, you can understand the same qualities is there in God; but your present condition being contaminated with material contact, it is being pervertedly represented. This has to be purified. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The same thing. The same love affair, the same anger or anything, that is to be purified. Then it is godly. That's all.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to purify. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. \n[”’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nNirmalam means purification, completely purified. When this... Suppose this anger. If this anger is applied in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it is purified. It is purified. Just like Arjuna. Arjuna was not becoming angry to his enemy. He was very good man. \"No, I'm not going to fight.\" And Kṛṣṇa was, I mean to say, encouraging him to be angry. Otherwise, how could he fight? So when he fought for Kṛṣṇa, that became service. Of course, these are very intricate questions. When one studies very seriously and scientifically, this will be revealed.\nSo on the whole, one can understand that \"All the qualities of God is with me. But I am now materially contaminated.\" Just like a diseased person. A diseased person, he wants to enjoy the facilities of healthy life, but the physician says, \"No, don't. Don't.\" Because that will create danger. Similarly, all the qualities we have got, but because it is materially contaminated, the Kṛṣṇa consciousness process is to purify them and to bring them to the normal condition, and then it will be happy. That is the whole idea. [pause]\nYes?",
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"content": "\n How can the purification process, Prabhupāda, be carried through the average life, twenty-four hours a day?",
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"content": "\n The purification process is stated in Nārada Pañcarātra: sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. You have to free yourself from the designation. Designation. The same example can be given, just like Arjuna. He was designating himself with the Kuru family; therefore he was impure. When he gave up this designation, he identified his interest with Kṛṣṇa, he became devotee.\nSo we have to give up this designation, \"I am American,\" \"I am Indian,\" \"I am Christian,\" \"I am Hindu,\" \"I am this,\" \"I am that\"—\"I am Kṛṣṇa's. I am God's. I am servant of God.\" And if you act in that way, then whole thing becomes purified. And if you keep your designation accidentally... Just like you are American. This is accidental.\nBy somehow or other, you have come to accept a body from the American family. Now this will be changed. You do not know what is your next body. So this is changing. This is not my permanent settlement. But your permanent settlement is to identify yourself that \"I am Kṛṣṇa's.\" That is your permanent settlement.\nSo if you put yourself in that position, being freed from all designation, then your process of everything, all qualities, become purified.\nsarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ\ntat-paratvena nirmalam\nhṛṣīkeṇa hṛṣīkeśa-\nsevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate\n[Cc. Madhya 19.170]\n[”’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nHṛṣīka. Hṛṣīka means senses. So when the senses are applied for Hṛṣīkeśa—means Kṛṣṇa—then it is purified. And when the senses are applied in our designated position, that is impure; that is contaminated.",
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"content": "\n When there are several living entities within a close area of space or there are several living entities...",
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"content": "\n They are under different designation, that's all. Different living entities means under different designations. That's all. And when that designation is off, then he's Kṛṣṇa's. That's all. Actually he is Kṛṣṇa's, but under different designations he has got different bodies. So if we place ourself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, in spite of this designated body, still we become purified. Jīvan-muktaḥ sa ucyate. He's liberated even living within this material tabernacle.\nĪhā yasya harer dāsye [Brs 1.2.187]. \n[One who engages in the transcendental service of the Lord in body, mind and word is to be considered liberated in all conditions of material existence.]\nIf anyone fixes his mind up to the service of Kṛṣṇa, then in whatever condition he may be, he is a liberated person. Simply we have to fix up that we shall simply execute business of Kṛṣṇa. That's all.\nAll right. Thank you. Now chant. [end]",
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"content": "\n\n…dharmo veha samīhitaḥ\nsa eva tat-phalaṁ bhuṅkte\ntathā tāvad amutra vai\n[SB 6.1.45]\nSo as you have understood that dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19]... Dharma, it is explained further what is meant by dharma. Dharma means natural characteristics. Dharma does not mean something sentiment. No. The people are taking sentimental value—\"I believe in this.\" \"I believe in Hinduism,\" \"I believe in Christianism,\" \"I believe in Muhammadanism.\" But dharma is not like that. Now today you are Christian; you can change to Hinduism, or a Christian can turn into Muhammadanism.\nSo you can change it, so after all you can change—that is not dharma. Try to understand this important point. That is not dharma. Dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19]. You cannot change anything which is made by the Supreme Lord. Just like, take for example, the sun is rising from the eastern horizon. You cannot say, \"Let the sun be rising from the western horizon.\" That you cannot say.\nYou cannot improve with any law of God or nature. That is not possible. Supreme dharma is sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam. If it is the order or the injunction of the Supreme Lord, how you can change it? The dharma which you can change, that is not dharma. And dharma is eternal to Kṛṣṇa: sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ [Bg. 18.66]. That is dharma. And all others, cheating. That is..., I am not speaking these strong words; it is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Cheating.\nDharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra [SB 1.1.2], the cheating religion is completely swept away, projjhita. [indistinct] Just like one uses broomstick to drive away all the garbage things from the room, similarly, the Bhāgavata says dharmaḥ projjhita, the garbage cheating process of religious system is completely thrown away. And that garbage system of religion is also remarked by Śrīdhara Svāmī as mokṣa-vāñchā, desperation of becoming liberated. That is also cheating. So dharma cannot change.\nNow I have decided to inform you in your city I have seen two temples, they are known as Rāmānandī, and there is no Rāma.",
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"content": "\n You see? This cheating is going on, and you are accepting. There is no Rāma, there is no Rāma Deity worship, and the main [indistinct] is to see the Rāma. Just see. And people are so foolish, they do not take care. This is going on. In Indore I have been in the Gītā Bhavan, and so many nonsense things are going on. Another, I..., make a Gītā committee; there is not a single figure of Kṛṣṇa. It's [indistinct], in the name of dharma.\nAh, previous..., last night the boy was informing me that some Bhagavad-gītā is going to be distributed, made by some svāmī. But according to Bhagavad-gītā that svāmījī is a fool number one. According to Bhagavad-gītā. And he is distributing Bhagavad-gītā, and people are accepting, \"dhanyavat svāmī.\" This is going on.\nSo it is a very serious situation all over the world that in the name of dharma so many other nonsense, in the name of dharma. But the point is, dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19]. Dharma is made of the injunction by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. How it can be changed according to your whims? You cannot change the law of God.\nYesterday I gave you the example, nobody can change. The big, big ocean is there. I was, when I was in California, especially in Los Angeles, I was going every day on the seashore, big ocean, Pacific Ocean. Big, big waves, but it cannot transgress the line, the beach, I have seen. I was just walking, say, a few yards from the sea, and the waves were coming, but they could not touch even my shoe. But it can, if the waves like, easily they can engulf the whole city. Sometimes it does so, that's a fact. But no, it is order of Kṛṣṇa, \"You cannot do it. You cannot do that.\"\nSo similarly, [indistinct] seer of these material activities you will find that the rising of the sun, by..., at night, and by calculation the sun rises at such-and-such time, 5:30 here. You cannot change it before 5:30 nor after 5:30. It is so strict. And the astronomical calculation of the earth is so many that they can divide one minute into some thousand parts, and still we find that everything is exactly in the same part, same position. That is the law of God. You cannot check. Otherwise, what is the meaning of God? Eh? But they are claiming that \"I am God, Rāma.\" Everyone becomes Rāma, everyone becomes Kṛṣṇa. This is going on.\nAnd people do not ask it that \"If you are Rāma, show something. Rāma constructed bridge over the ocean. What you have done first rate? Kṛṣṇa, at the age of seven years old, He lifted one big hill. What you have done?\" But when these things are there, they say it is fiction, it is legend, and actually nonsense of Rāma and Kṛṣṇa. This is going on. And they will have to suffer, as here it is stated that yena yāvān yathādharmo dharmo veha samīhitaḥ [SB 6.1.45].\nAs it is stated what is dharma and adharma, in the Vedas. Sa eva tat-phalaṁ bhuṅkte: one has to enjoy or suffer according to the injunction. Tathā tāvad amutra vai. If somebody assumes, \"Just let me have adharma...,\" just like Cārvāka Muni, atheist philosophy is like that. They don't care for dharma and adharma. Their philosophy is, yāvaj jīvet sukhaṁ jīvet: so long you live, hedonism, you live your best sense gratification process. Yāvan jīvet sukhaṁ jīvet, ṛṇaṁ kṛtvā ghṛtaṁ pibet. Living in India, ghee is a very luxurious food, so everyone wants to eat ghee. But if you have no money, he says, ṛṇaṁ kṛtvā ghṛtaṁ pibet [\"Beg, borrow, steal—eat ghee.''].\nBut according to karma, if you have many debts and if you do not repay, then you will have to suffer, according to karma. That is the... Atheist will say, yāvan jīvet sukhaṁ jīvet ṛṇaṁ kṛtvā ghṛtaṁ pibet: \"Then if I cannot repay my debts, then I will have to suffer? Oh, this is all nonsense.\" Bhasmī-bhūtasya dehasya kutaḥ punar-āgamano bhavet: \"Oh, when your body will be burned down, who will come and take it away?\" This is the situation. They don't believe in the transmigration of the soul, they do not believe in the śāstras, they don't believe in the Vedas, they don't care for God. This is going on.\nBut here it is said that sa eva tat-phalaṁ bhuṅkte tathā tāvad amutra vai [SB 6.1.45]. Not only here... Just like here also it is said here that \"I am a debtor, and if I do not pay, I will be arrested or I will be punished by the courts, by the law.\" And there it is said that sa tat-phalaṁ bhuṅkte, that as you cheat, as you suffer in this life, similarly, tathā tāvat amutra vai, similarly one has to suffer in the next life.\nBecause life is eternal, and we are changing our body, tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ [Bg. 2.13]. These things are not discussed amongst so-called educated person, that life is continuous; we are changing bodies every moment; therefore we have to change this body and have to accept another body and another accept another body. Suppose I am sitting in this room, if I change this room I go to another room, that does not mean that I have become free from all my obligations.\nThese theories are going on. Tāvat, tathā tāvat amutra vai. Now if the Cārvāka Muni is asked that \"Where do you get this statement?\" He will say, \"It is my opinion,\" and the people will accept it. But what you are? Why your opinion should be accepted? They do not know. \"I think it is like this,\" and write volumes of books, nonsense, inferior subjects. This is going on.\nAnd especially in this day and age, Kali-yuga, this system is very, very prominent, and therefore people are suffering. Most suffering in this age, Kali-yuga. Prāyeṇālpāyuṣaḥ kalāv asmin yuge janāḥ [SB 1.1.10]. [indistinct] certainly it means their duration of life is reducing daily. You can see it: your forefather lived for hundred years, ninety years, and now it is very difficult to find a man who is living for ninety years or eighty years.\nTheir memory is reducing; their, I mean, capacity to give in charity, that is reducing. Just like I enquired from the president of [indistinct], we requested that if he can become a Life Member, but they cannot; they have no sufficient money. And they say that \"We are the most intelligent men.\" The intelligent men means he is the poor, poorer. That is Kali-yuga.\nUpadrutāḥ. Manda-bhāgyāḥ. This age of Kali is mandāḥ sumanda-matayo manda-bhāgyā hy upadrutāḥ [SB 1.1.10]. These are the symptoms of the persons in this age. First of all they are mandāḥ, they are very, very slow. Just like in this human form of life we have got so many responsibilities, self-realization, but they don't care for it. Just like animals, simply they are serious about eating, sleeping, mating and defending, that's all. They have no other responsibilities, they think. These are..., the symptoms are there in the Bhāgavatam, dākṣyaṁ kuṭumba-bharaṇaṁ [SB 12.2.6]. If one man can maintain his family, his wife and two, three children, he is understood to be a very great man.\nDākṣyaṁ. There is no question of performing sacrifices, charity; these are forgotten things. Simply if one is married and has, I mean, manages to maintain his wife and children, \"Ah, he's very prosperous.\" This is the standard of prosperity in this age, and therefore we find there is no marriage, no family. I have traveled these European countries; mostly, eighty-five percent, there is no marriage, no family.\nThis is the position of the Kali-yuga. No home. There are many persons who have.., who are thinking... Actually they are rich; they have got very big income, they are getting very big money, but they do not know how to live. As soon as they are getting money, they are injuriously purchasing some liquor bottles.\nSo this is the position of the..., mandāḥ sumanda-matayo manda-bhāgyā [SB 1.1.10]. And religious means that religious: some false religious principal such as one who is teaching people with [indistinct]. If somebody says, \"No, it is sinful,\" \"Oh, what is this? This is all wrong.\" Children[?]. But he does not know, as it is stated here: sa eva tat-phalaṁ bhuṅkte tathā tāvad amutra vai [SB 6.1.45]. It is not that... He is suffering in this life; he will have to continue in the next life.\nyatheha deva-pravarās\ntrai-vidhyam upalabhyate\nbhūteṣu guṇa-vaicitryāt\ntathānyatrānumīyate\n[SB 6.1.46]\nHypothesis. Hypothesis, just as I was explaining just the other day: the man is dying; so you can conjecture that this man is going to have such-and-such body by the direction of the śāstras. By the direction of the śāstra. Just like Kṛṣṇa says, yānti deva..., yānti deva-vratā devān [Bg. 9.25]. If you worship these demigods... That is the statement in the śāstra, Vedic literature, that if you want such-and-such material benefit, then you have to worship such-and-such god.\nThey are not [indistinct]; they are [indistinct], but now they are claiming that \"I can worship any demigod, the result will be the same. I can do anything and everything; it has nothing to do with religion,\" and these things are being preached by big, big svāmīs. You see? Big, big svāmīs. \nSo here it is stated..., it is stated that yathā iha deva-pravarāḥ. The Viṣṇudūtas are addressed in a very respectful way, deva-pravarāḥ, \"the best of the demigods.\" Because their bodily features were just like Nārāyaṇa, so they are addressed as devatā. Trai-vidhyam upalabhyate. Trai-vidhyam. Trai-vidhyam means the three, how you say, modes of material nature. Everyone is under the material nature.\nJust like animal. Animal is under the modes of ignorance. They do not know that \"I am standing on the road. The motorcars, they come and drive me with very...\" I mean to say, without any anxiety it is standing there. That is animal. The danger... Just like in the slaughterhouse, one animal is being killed, and the other animal, he is engaged in eating grass. I've seen it, not in the slaughterhouse but in the temple..., Goddess Kālī temple. There were two goats standing, one was being killed and another goat was eating grass. This is animal, that next danger immediately, but he does not know. This is animal life.\nSo why this trai-vidhyam? Because he is under the modes of material nature, as acknowledged. Those who are in the modes of passion, they are a little [indistinct], and those who are in the modes of goodness, they can see what is going on—what is going on in my this life; what I am going to have next life. [indistinct] everything is illusion. Trai-vidhya. Trai-vidhya means three classes of men, and next first class, three, the men in goodness, men in passion, men in ignorance and men in mixed.\nSo these things are going on. Here it is said that trai-vidhyam upalabhyate bhūteṣu guṇa-vaicitryāt. There are varieties of the modes of material nature, guṇa-vaicitryāt. And we are claiming that \"Everyone is God. Everyone is the same. Why this man should be like that, this man...\"\nBut they..., they do not know that every one of us is under the control of the material nature, daivī hy eṣā [Bg. 7.14], prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi [Bg. 3.27]. Guṇaiḥ, the guṇa, if you associate with the good..., modes of goodness, then you can change the guṇa. That is also possible. Otherwise, what is the use of this sat-saṅga? If one is serious about changing his position, then he has to change his present quality to the higher quality.\nJust like these boys. Their quality, previous, before, was different; now their quality is different. That can be done. That I have explained already, that [indistinct], just like a diseased man can be cured, provided he undergoes the discipline system prescribed by the physician. He can be cured. It is not that he cannot..., it is uncurable. Curable. Everything is there. The śāstra is there, the treatment is there, then everything is there; it can be done.\nThis Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is so nice that it can cure all kinds of [indistinct], all kinds of diseases. That is a special... Kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya. That is also stated in the śāstra: simply by chanting Kṛṣṇa's name, mukta-saṅga, he becomes freed from all the three qualities of this material nature.\nsa guṇān samatītyaitān\nbrahma-bhūyāya kalpate\n[Bg. 14.26]\nIt is so nice. Simply by taking to Kṛṣṇa consciousness... And practically you can see that. It is not story. Our Indian people rejected, \"You have stolen our religion,\" like that, but you can see practically how it is being effective in the Western countries. It can be changed.\nbhūteṣu guṇa-vaicitryāt\ntathānyatrānumīyate\n[SB 6.1.46]\nAll various varieties of living entities under the influence of three kinds of material modes of nature. Similarly, in the next life also you can understand, anumīyate, you can get conjecture or you can imagine that next life he is going to have such-and-such body, such-and-such... There is evidence, any intelligent man. How it is done, that is also..., example is given here:\nvartamāno 'nyayoḥ kālo\nguṇābhijñāpako yathā\n[SB 6.1.47]\nKālaḥ, time. [indistinct]. Evaṁ janma...\nevaṁ janmānyayor etad\ndharmādharma-nidarśanam\n[SB 6.1.47]\nAll [indistinct] conjecture, that in the such-and-such period, such and such [indistinct] will take place. It is not astrology, but according to science, according to the reaction of the modes of material nature, things have to... Just like in winter season anyone can say that in New York or [indistinct] there will be snowfall between such-and-such months.\nIt is not astrology, but everyone knows that when the modes of material nature will react in such-and-such time, it will be effective in such-and-such way. It is not very difficult; everyone knows, anyone can suggest also. They become, I mean to say, [indistinct] that \"Now the snowfall is coming down, and we have to make arrangements for the tire, make arrangement for the [indistinct].\"\nHere it is stated like that:\nvartamāno 'nyayoḥ kālo\nguṇābhijñāpako yathā\nevaṁ janmānyayor etad\ndharmādharma-nidarśanam\n[SB 6.1.47]\nAs you can suggest that in such-and-such period, such-and-such things will happen and they take place, similarly, one who is following strictly the codes of dharma and one who is not following the codes of dharma...., following the codes of adharma... You can, I mean any of us, you can suggest that this person will have such-and-such body, this person will have such and such. It requires little intelligence, that's all. It is not blind, but people have lost their intelligence; they cannot judge.\nThat is the position of..., mandāḥ sumanda-matayo manda-bhāgyā [SB 1.1.10]. Sumanda-matayo. Mandāḥ, mandāḥ means slowest in everything: in age, duration of life, in intelligence, in compassion. That has been broken in this age. Mandāḥ sumanda-matayo.\nevaṁ janmānyayor etad\ndharmādharma-nidarśanam\n[SB 6.1.47]\nmanasaiva pure devaḥ\npūrva-rūpaṁ vipaśyati\nanumīmāṁsate 'pūrvaṁ\nmanasā bhagavān ajaḥ\n[SB 6.1.48]\nSo as we have already mentioned that there are many witnesses in the laws of nature, similarly, the Paramātmā is sitting within your heart, īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ [Bg. 18.61]. He's also witness, He is also witnessing your activities, and according to your activities, according to your desire, according to your reaction of activities, you will have a type of body. You will have a type of body.\nThat is also stated in the Third Canto, karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa [SB 3.31.1]. You are working. You are working, but you are working for your next body. Similarly, if you work in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, your next body is going to be Kṛṣṇa conscious [indistinct]. That is in Vaikuṇṭha. That is the opportunity. You can do that in this human form of life. It is not possible to be done by the animals.\nManasaiva pure devaḥ. Pure devaḥ, devaḥ, devaḥ means the Supreme Personality of Godhead or the Yamarāja. Yamarāja has got such power that he can see in everyone's heart what kind of psychological reaction is going on. As the devaḥ, the Supreme Personality of Godhead Paramātmā, He can know, similarly Yamarāja also can know. And pūrva-rūpaṁ vipaśyati. [indistinct] apūrva, pūrva. Pūrva means the body which you had previously. This is called tri-kāla-jñā. Those who are advanced very much, they can see tri-kāla.\nThere is an astronomical calculation called Bhṛgu-saṁhitā. In the Bhṛgu-saṁhitā, if you have consulted the Bhṛgu-saṁhitā, you will find the calculation of your three lives: what you were in your previous life, what is going to happen in this life, and what is going to happen in the next life. So the previous life is called pūrva, pūrva-[indistinct], and the present is called cakṣur-[indistinct], and what you are going to have, that is called apūrva-[indistinct]. Apūrva means you have [indistinct] such body.\nThis body, suppose you are Mr. Such-and-such, your bodily constitution is such; this is finished in this life. You will never get such body again. Therefore it is called apūrva. You get once a chance for having a particular type of body, and when this is finished, then you cannot imagine that you will get another body like..., exactly like that. That is not possible.\nSo the Supreme Personality of Godhead as Paramātmā, and Yamarāja, he also knows what kind of body has to be offered to this man. Apūrva.\nmanasaiva pure devaḥ\npūrva-rūpaṁ vipaśyati\nanumīmāṁsate 'pūrvaṁ...\n[SB 6.1.48]\nAnumīmāṁsate. Now anumīmāṁsate, this man is working like this, so he has to accept a body like this. This is called apūrvam anumīmāṁsate. Manasā bhagavān ajaḥ.\nyathājñas tamasā yukta\nupāste vyaktam eva hi\nna veda pūrvam aparaṁ\nnaṣṭa-janma-smṛtis tathā\n[SB 6.1.49]\nBut so far we are concerned, as we have forgotten what was my previous body, even in this life... Suppose when I was a baby on the lap of my mother. Several things happened that I do not know what it is. Is it not? I cannot remember what I was doing, how I was acting when I had that body, that small body, baby.\nBut because it has left. So as in this life you cannot remember, how you can remember about the body of your previous life? Similarly, you cannot answer, conjecture, that what is going to happen in your next life. Yathājñas tamasā yukta. Ajñaḥ, you are born foolish, abhodha-jātaḥ [SB 5.5.5], everyone ajñaḥ. Yathājñas tamasā yukta. Why ajñaḥ? Why this foolish?\n[noise] [aside:] What is that noise?",
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"content": "\n I see.\nyathājñas tamasā yukta\nupāste vyaktam eva hi\nna veda pūrvam aparaṁ\nnaṣṭa-janma-smṛtis tathā\n[SB 6.1.49]\nNaṣṭa-janma-smṛtis. As soon as we..., just like in dream also. When we dream that I have got a body which is flying, at that time you cannot remember that \"Actually I am not this body. I'm dreaming,\" and that \"I have got a body that is lying on the bed.\" But you cannot remember. Just try to understand. As soon as you dream, you get a body, you forget this body, so how you can remember your past body? Dream also changes, just like this is also another dream. You are thinking that you are awakened, but so long you are [indistinct] by the modes of material nature, surely you are dreaming.\nThis is another kind of dream. As you dream at night while sleeping, the so-called awakening is also dreaming, unless one is in full knowledge that upāste vyaktam eva hi, and we have to act according to that.\npañcabhiḥ kurute svārthān\npañca vedātha pañcabhiḥ\nekas tu ṣoḍaśena trīn\nsvayaṁ saptadaśo 'śnute\n[SB 6.1.50]\nEvam bhutas ca avidyā sa jīvas ya ca samsara yātanā ta samsiddhi[?]. This is commentation, you see? He says, evam bhutas ca avidyā etadri, eh, jīvas ca, saṁsāra[?] [indistinct]. How the living entity under the influence of ignorance, avidyā... Avidyā karma saṅga: anyone who has come to this material nature, under the control of this material nature. The material nature means it will keep you in avidyā. In the [indistinct] this Durgā is described, yā devī sarva-bhūteṣu nidrā-rūpeṇa saṁsthitā [Devi-Mahatmyam]. This material nature's business is to keep you in ignorance. Avidyā means ignorance.\nYā devī sarva-bhūteṣu nidrā-rūpeṇa. Nidrā-rūpeṇa, just like at night you are sleeping, you are thinking you are sleeping very nicely. If somebody comes to you, chop off your head, you do not know. Nidrā-rūpeṇa. You do not know. Saṁsthitā. But one thing is very prominent: this ear. If somebody cries, \"Oh, Mr. Such-and-such, you are sleeping. Get up! Get up! This man is coming to kill you!\" Then we can awaken.\nSo this ear is very important sense you can utilize. Similarly, as you are sleeping under the influence of material nature, as though you are acting, you are similarly acting, [indistinct] in this, prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni [Bg. 3.27]. Material nature is doing; you're just acting. You're being forced to act according to your attitudes and all the different varieties of material nature. Therefore, as in this sleeping condition your ear does not sleep, it gives you help to rise up, similarly, even in this material condition of life, if you hear from the right person, from the Vedas, then you can rise up again. Therefore Vedas is complete.\nSo actually this is our sleeping condition, ignorance. Therefore our this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, the first prescription is śravaṇam: hear, hear. Hearing, hearing, hearing, you will come to your sense. Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ smaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam [SB 7.5.23]. And if you simply hear about Kṛṣṇa, then automatically you become purified, and you will know your constitutional position and you become free [indistinct].\nJāgṛta. Uttiṣṭhata jāgṛta prāpya varaṁ nibodhata [Katha Upanisad 1.3.14]. That is the injunction of the Vedas, \"Get up! Get up!\" Uttiṣṭhata jāgṛta: \"Be awakened.\" Prāpya varaṁ nibodhata. You have got this human form of life. If you understand it and make your life free from the clutches of the material nature, modes of material nature... And that is simplified by Lord Kṛṣṇa:\nmām eva ye prapadyante\nmāyām etāṁ taranti te\n[Bg. 7.14]\n\"Anyone who surrenders unto Me, he is immediately liberated to become free from the influence of māyā,\" māyām etāṁ taranti te.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa advises,\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\nThat is the only advice. You have to surrender unto Kṛṣṇa and be Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is your only business. There is no other business. Is that all right? Or you have got anything to say? Hmm? Tell me. You have no other alternative. [indistinct] Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n You have to understand the defects of law by law book. Is it not? When you contact with a lawyer, it should be like this. But that you have to speak by the law books. Similarly, you can understand that svāmī by reading the svāmī's own books. But you... But that requires intelligence. Ordinary man cannot detect that.",
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"content": "\n That is adharma. That is adharma. Just like I told you, they have two temples, they are called Rāma temples, Rāma Mandir, and there is no Rāma. Maybe perhaps I'm the first man to ask, \"Where is your Rāma?\" So they said that \"We don't like to meet you.\" Then why do you say that you belong to the Rāma temple there? Why do you say? Why do you cheat people that you belong to the Rāma, Rāma temple there? Everywhere you find there is Deity worship.\nJust like we are Gauḍīya-sampradāya, our Deity worship is essential. I am serving the Deity wherever I go all over the world, and this kind of Deity worship is going on. But they are atheists. They don't believe in the form of the Lord, but unless in many of the temples of Rāma and the [indistinct]. That is the business. So the Rāma Mandir is devoid of Rāma mūrti. So did you not ask? You do not know?",
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"content": "\n What kind of fool? This is blind faith. This is blind faith. You do not know what is [indistinct], this is blind faith. That is called dharma-adharma.",
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"content": "\n This is a common thing, that you call it a Rāma Mandir. We are invited [to] Rāma Mandir, but when I went there I don't find any Rāma Deity. And if they say that \"We don't worship mūrti because [indistinct].\"",
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"content": "\n But Mahārāja [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n That's it, if you want. [indistinct] otherwise it is cheating. In the name of religion cheating is going on. [indistinct]\nrāmādi-mūrtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan\nnānāvatāram akarod bhuvaneṣu kintu\nkṛṣṇaḥ svayaṁ samabhavat paramaḥ pumān yo...\n[Bs 5.39]\nThis is śāstra. Rāmādi-mūrti, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is in so many forms. Why do they say that God has no form? Why God should not have a form? Why? What is the reason? I have got a form because my father has got a form. If God is supreme father, how He can be without form? What is the reason? What is the argument?\nIf we are sons of God, everyone... Kṛṣṇa also says, ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā [Bg. 14.4]. The Christians also believe that God is the father, the supreme father, and similarly if the son has got the form, how it is that the father has no form? Are you born of a father who is formless? What is this argument, \"The supreme father has no form\"? And śāstra says:\nīśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ\nsac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ\n[Bs. 5.1]\nVigraha means form. How God can be formless? What is the argument? And why He should be formless? If He is the creator, He is creating all these forms, and how He can be formless?",
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"content": "\n Nirākāra.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. You say that He is unthinkable, but you are thinking that He is formless. So how do you say that He is unthinkable? That is your thinking. That is only your thinking; that is not a fact. Therefore argument. You are thinking, you say unthinkable, but you are thinking. That is a false statement, \"unthinkable.\" You can think. In your present capacity you can think, reason. [indistinct] duality, because you are accustomed to seeing in duality. However, there must be form. Why there must be form? Relative. Therefore as soon as it is stated that God is unthinkable, you say that He is formless. That is another side of your thinking. That is not the fact. Is it not?\n\"Unthinkable\" does not mean that you can change on the opposite side, then it is good, the business is solved. You are thinking in the opposite side only. You are thinking just like I have got form, you have got form, and when in the Vedas it is said nirākāra, you're thinking that He is formless. If I've got ākāra and He is nirākāra and He is [indistinct]. That is your thinking. The actual fact is, as it is stated in the śāstras, sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1]: He has got a form, but that form is not this form. That is the statement.\nTherefore you have to accept the knowledge from the Vedas, not by your thinking that nirākāra means \"I have got some ākāra, then God must be without ākāra.\" That is your thinking. But the actual fact is that His form is not exactly like your form. Therefore it is stated, sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ. Now you can consult: sac-cid-ānanda. Your form is not sat; it is asat. Sat means that it exists. Asat means which does not exist. So your form does not exist, but His form exists. That is the difference.\nTherefore He is not exactly like your ākāra. But you have no idea that any form can exist, because you have got experience that any form [indistinct] that does not exist. Sac-cit. Cit means knowledge. He is full of knowledge, but so far our body is concerned it is full of ignorance. And His body full of ānanda, and your body full of nirānanda, all miseries, because your body is not sac-cid-ānanda, but His body is sac-cid-ānanda.\nTherefore you can [indistinct] nirākāra this form which you think of is of a different nature. Just like in Vedas it is said, apāṇi-pādo javano grahītā paśyaty acakṣuḥ [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 3.18]. Paśyaty acakṣuḥ. These things are there. He sees, but He has no eyes. That means His eyes are different from your eyes. You can see when [indistinct], that's all. That also not in darkness. That is the value of your eyes. But He can see everywhere.\nSarvataḥ pāṇi-pādas tat, sarvataḥ cakṣuṣā [?], He has got His eyes everywhere. So His eyes, His form, His hands, His legs, they are of different quality or different nature. Therefore He is sometimes called nirākāra. This appears contradictory, paśyaty acakṣuḥ: He sees, but He has no eyes, because His eyes are not like our eyes. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, vedāhaṁ samatītāni vartamānāni [Bg. 7.26], in the [indistinct]: \"I know the present, past, future—everything.\" So He reminds Arjuna that \"Both you and Me, we took birth many, many times. You have forgotten; I've not.\" That is His verdict.\nSo His knowledge, His bodily construction, His bliss of life is different completely. Therefore we [indistinct]. Not that He has no form. This nirākāra has no form, that is all material. That is material thinking. God has no form, but it is said... They think that if you have form, then He must be formless. No. He has got form, but not exactly like this form.\nAvajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam [Bg. 9.11]: \"Just like although I am dressed just like a human being, the rascals and fools deride as if I have accepted a material body.\" Mūḍhā. They have been called mūḍhā. Avajānanti. God has form, but His form is completely different from your form. That is understood by avajānanti, not this ākāra, but he has got ākāra, different ākāra.",
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"content": "\n Is it possible to [indistinct] birth and rebirth?",
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"content": "\n Is it possible to think that [indistinct] birth and rebirth [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n That you have to take from the Vedas,\nūrdhvaṁ gacchanti sattva-sthā\nmadhye tiṣṭhanti rājasāḥ\n[Bg. 14.18]\nThis is just what we were discussing: anumīyate. Just as the seasons are changing. Now we are in the winter season, but you can say that \"In the summer season this will happen.\" That is the future. Anyone can say. Similarly, you can say what kind of body. As it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, yānti deva-vratā devān [Bg. 9.25]: if you are addicted to the different demigods, then you will be promoted to the region of that demigod.",
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"content": "\n Everything is there. It requires little intelligence, and therefore I am requesting to you to learn knowledge, particularly, tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva niścayate [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12]. One must approach a bona fide spiritual master to understand this transcendental knowledge. Everything is there; simply you have to learn from the authorized personalities, then you can learn. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n You have distributed prasadam?",
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"content": "\n Yes, because He knows...",
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"content": "\n Yes, that is the difference between Arjuna and Kṛṣṇa. That is the difference between Arjuna and Kṛṣṇa. That difference between Arjuna and Kṛṣṇa means God and the living entities. That is the difference.",
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"content": "\n But they are claiming that. That is rascaldom. There is always the difference between God and the living entities. But they are falsely claiming that \"I am God.\"",
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"content": "\n The difference is always, aṇu and vibhu. Vibhu means all-pervading and aṇu means... Just like consciousness. You have got consciousness, but that consciousness is distributed in a limited spot within this body.",
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"content": "\n But Kṛṣṇa consciousness all-pervades. He knows what is going on within His heart, within your heart, within my heart and everyone's. That is His consciousness. Kṣetra-jñāṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata [Bg. 13.3]. My consciousness indi... But the individual person has got individual consciousness. But these Māyāvādī philosophers, they say that because the consciousness is distributed everywhere, therefore I belong to that consciousness.",
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"content": "\n No. Your consciousness is always limited; that consciousness is always unlimited. He is vibhu and you are aṇu, that's all. But you have got consciousness, He has got consciousness. In that way you are equal, sāṅkhya. Nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]: He is the chief of the conscious personalities amongst all conscious personalities. And because you are thinking in the wrong way, therefore Kṛṣṇa says it, \"Please surrender.\"",
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"content": "\n Then you feel it.",
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"content": "\n If you want to change it, surrender.",
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"content": "\n Is not that? Yes. If the son says, \"Yes, my dear father, I have done wrong; now I surrender. Whatever you say, I...\" \"All right, come on.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes, the son is always present in the father. The son is always present, natural, that is natural. The father wants to give everything to the son, that is natural, but when he sees rejection, \"Oh, I'm not going to give you service.\" Reciprocated.",
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"content": "\n That the Lions Club is full of intelligent persons, they could not pay for our membership. That we are getting membership from ordinary merchants, so many. They are supposed to have no intelligence.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] they were telling that \"We are not [indistinct].\" [laughs]",
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"content": "\n Just see. They have no time even, because the same as if... Still they are poor. But still they are poor. They are telling they have no money.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n That is not a fact. But bhakti is not depending on a rich method of... Ahaituky apratihatā yayātmā suprasīdati [SB 1.2.6]. Any poor man can become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Any poor man. Kṛṣṇa is not for a particular type of man or society.\nmāṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya\nye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ\n[Bg. 9.32]\nAnyone can. They should know how to become Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that's all.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Ah.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Overpopulation?",
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"content": "\n That is my opinion.",
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"content": "\n Overpopulation means... Suppose you are now human being. Ah? If you do not take your liberation, then you remain in the cycle, then again you come. Just like in the station you picked up [indistinct] then [indistinct] it. [laughter] That does not mean population has increased. They are not being [indistinct], but still they tried it. Therefore it is your duty to become liberated, to be strong enough, than described this situation. [laughter] Otherwise suffer.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n As Kṛṣṇa says: immediately. Janma karma me divyaṁ yo jānāti tattvataḥ tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]. Simply understand Kṛṣṇa by this process and you are not coming back again. There is no more scientific cure. Why don't you do that? [laughter]",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Why do you like to remain in this [indistinct] state?",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Eh? Yes. He likes to make[?] himself, therefore he comes to describe his miserable condition of life. That is the effect of kṛṣṇa-bhajana.\nyad gatvā na nivartante\ntad dhāma paramaṁ mama\n[Bg. 15.6]\nBut if you want your repetition of birth and death here, you will be sometimes in this condition, that condition, that condition.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n If you read Bhagavad-gītā, everything you will find our line. And if you read Bhagavad-gītā promoted by some rascal, then you are useless. That's all.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n You also become a rascal.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n You are already rascal, and somebody makes you still more rascal. Just like one student comes to ask the teacher, \"What is the meaning of darga?\" He says, \"Darga means [indistinct].\" So the meaning becomes full of [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n If you are sure that darga means dog, that would have been simpler. But instead of saying something simpler, you make the whole thing turned around. Darga and darge, so you have to again go to another teacher, \"What is the meaning of this?\" This is going on.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n In Bhagavad-gītā it is plainly said,\ndharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre\nsamavetā yuyutsavaḥ\nmāmakāḥ pāṇḍavāś caiva\nkim akurvata sañjaya\n[Bg. 1.1]\nDharma kṣetre kuru-kṣetre. Kurukṣetra is a place, which is dharma-kṣetre, still. But somebody says that dharma-kṣetre means this body, and the Pāṇḍavas means these senses, indriya. Wherefrom these semantics? And everyone is openly commenting in his own [indistinct]. Directly contradictory. Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā,\nman-manā bhava mad-bhakto\nmad-yājī māṁ namaskuru\n[Bg. 18.65]\nAnd one big scholar says, \"No, no, it is not up to Kṛṣṇa.\"",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n This is going on. Their only business is how to avoid that, that's all. That is the whole scheme.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Kaṁsa's policy. Kaṁsa, he was always scheming how to kill Kṛṣṇa. But he is [indistinct]. Kṛṣṇa will say, charge you, that Kaṁsa that ultimately be killed by Kṛṣṇa, although he was very sure how to kill Kṛṣṇa. The Kaṁsa's policy will not [indistinct]. Kṛṣṇa's policy you will be purchasing; therefore take shelter of Kṛṣṇa. Kaunteya pratijānīhi na me bhaktaḥ praṇaśyati [Bg. 9.31].\nAlright. Thank you.",
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"content": "\n[in bus, arriving; kīrtana outside]",
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"content": "\n…take the karatāls. [break]\n[on the walk]\n …is that behind us?",
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"content": "\nNanda, Nanda Mahārāja left Gokula and came here because the demons were disturbing Kṛṣṇa. They decided to change.\n[break] [kīrtana]\n[break] [a vrajavāsī explains something about the temple in Hindi]",
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"content": "\nWhat did he say, Śrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n[to vrajavāsī] You explain in English. Explain in English.",
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"content": "\nNanda Mahārāja ki jaya! Yaśodā-māyi ki jai!",
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"content": "\nExplain in English!",
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"content": "\nExplain in English what he said.\nAbout the Deity?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nWhen the curtain opens?\nHa.\nAh, Prabhupāda. What is the name of this temple? Nanda-grāma?",
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"content": "\n[to vrajavāsī] You cannot explain? You can explain what he has said?",
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"content": "\nI will explain. When the curtain opens, I will explain.",
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"content": "\nHa.\n[curtain opens: obeisances]",
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"content": "\nThe statue, this one, with the turban, that is the Deity of Nanda Mahārāja.\nNanda Bābā.\nNanda Bābā. And on this side in yellow sārī, that is Yaśodā Mātā, you see? And in between Yaśodā Mātā and Nanda Bābā there are Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma, both brothers. Kṛṣṇa is on the side of Yaśodā Mātā, and Balarāma is on the side of Nanda Bābā.\nYounger brother.\nAnd in that corner on the left-hand side you see Rādhārāṇī, there in that corner. And in the extreme right, there are these two, they are friends of Lord Kṛṣṇa—Prema-sukha and Man-sukha[?].\nKṛṣṇa’s childhood.\n Prema-sukha, Man-sukha[?] ki jaya!",
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"content": "\n[to Tamāla Kṛṣṇa] You place one rupee here. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\nNow he gives prasāda?",
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"content": "\nDistribute this prasādam to all.\n[Hindi conversation—laughter]",
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"content": "\nSo fortunate.\n [Hindi conversation] Put it there.\nI'm just taking a little?\n[breaks] Everybody got prasāda?\n[much Hindi and obeisances in background]\n[breaks]",
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"content": "\n…doing these same things.",
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"content": "\nAh.",
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"content": "\n[kīrtana in background; Hindi conversations between Prabhupāda and Indian men] …and you can go there or come here also. [break]",
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"content": "\nDīnanātha and Pitāmbhara, they are still coming. Dīnanātha and Pitāmbhara. [break]",
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"content": "\nThey have not come? We are late. Why they did not come?",
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"content": "\nThey did not ask my permission. They just went. One man got a shoe[?]. He had to go back to get a shoe[?].",
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"content": "\nOh, he’ll go back there? [indistinct conversation]\n[break] Not possible to see the Deity there.",
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"content": "\nWhat time do they close the Deity?",
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"content": "\nYes. Eleven.\n[Hindi background conversation] [loud car horn sounding]\nThis old man should not be allowed. He cannot walk. [break] Come on, come on. Now let us go.",
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"content": "\nDeity closes in another ten minutes.\n[bus starts; Prabhupāda leaves in bus; obeisances ] [break]\n[in another location; Hindi conversations]\n Shall we bring a chair for you? [Hindi]\n What is the history of this place, Śrīla Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\nThis is Rādhārāṇīs father's place.",
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"content": "\n Ah. [break] [kīrtana]\nPrabhupada, have you ever gone to this temple? [break]\nAnd Her marriage was near about, Nanda-grāma. [Hindi with Prabhupāda] [break]",
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"content": "\nHe will take us to [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Our guide. Where is our guide?\nWhat is happening now? [break]",
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"content": "\n…not available; then they can go. I can sit down. My first time. Where is that guide? Where is that man?",
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"content": "\n They say he went to get the palanquin. He is coming down. [break]\n[in another temple location; kīrtana]\nOkay. Wait a minute. Stop.",
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"content": "\nMake it here. We can walk.",
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"content": "\nOkay. Stop here.\nDown. Down, down, down.\n Jaya. All glories to Prabhupāda!",
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"content": "\nJaya!",
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"content": "\nIt's this way, I think. It's a little wet here, Prabhupāda.\n Jaya! [obeisances]\n[background conversation between devotees] [kīrtana] [break]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi with Indians]",
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"content": "\nAll right, just… [break] One rupee? One rupee.",
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"content": "\n[Hindi with Indians] Now let us go.",
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"content": "\nPrasāda. Let us go.\n The guide was telling Prabhupāda that we can go straight over. [Hindi with Prabhupāda]\n[break] [background conversation among devotees] [break]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi with Indians]",
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"content": "\n ...if they get hold of the tape recorder, they'll steal it. [break]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi with Indians]\n[kīrtana—Govindam prayers]\nJaya.",
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"content": "\n She's gone to Rādhā's village. That's why. But...\nIt's closed.\nOpen it up. [discussion about opening Deity doors]\n It's too late.\n Maybe they won't open them.",
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"content": "\nNot very important. Jaya.\n[Hindi with Indians]",
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"content": "\nPrabhupāda, Gargamuni says there are very beautiful paintings inside. Do you want to see them? On the walls.",
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"content": "\nOn the wall? All right. If you like, you can see.",
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"content": "\nNo…",
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"content": "\nWe can go and see. Come, I shall sit down. Go and see.",
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"content": "\nAh, well if…\n Four o'clock...",
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"content": "\nNo, no. Not four o’clock. There are some paintings he wants to see… [Hindi] All right, Śrīla dāsī. Parikramā.",
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"content": "\nWe’ve come so far, we should see something. [background conversation]",
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"content": "\nNice building.",
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"content": "\nCan I build such a building in New York?",
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"content": "\nYou can build, but it will be very expensive.",
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"content": "\nAll stone, Prabhupāda.\nPrabhupāda, many of these things seem to be the way you describe for Māyāpura temple.",
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"content": "\nYes. We have got our plan in this way. Inside, we have got our plan like this.",
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"content": "\nAh.\nNara-Nārāyaṇa\n: \nTwice as high, and three times wider.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nAh. This seems to be the kind of siding that you describe, Prabhupāda.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nThis grating.",
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"content": "\nYes. [background conversation]",
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"content": "\nEverything is impermanent.\nThat’s what Prabhupāda says.\n[various people describing what they are seeing in the paintings]",
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"content": "\n[Hindi]\n[break] [Prabhupāda coughing] Can you give me a little water?",
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"content": "\nWater.\n Pāṇi, pāṇi. [people go to get water; Hindi discussion]",
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"content": "\nBās, bās. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\nToo much water here.\nToo much water.",
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"content": "\nKeep it.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] keep it. [break]",
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"content": "\nChelo.",
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"content": "\nChelo. [break]\n[in different location; kīrtana]\nThis is beautiful here. Look at the paintings. Rādhārāṇī was born here?",
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"content": "\nRādhārāṇī was born there.",
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"content": "\nAnd Kṛṣṇa was born in… He was raised in Nanda-grāma.",
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"content": "\nGokula. We shall go tomorrow.",
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"content": "\nKṛṣṇa, He lived in Nanda-grāma?",
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"content": "\nHah?",
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"content": "\nHe lived in Nanda-grāma when He was young?",
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"content": "\nYes, when there was too much disturbance of the demons, Nanda Mahārāja’s elder brother decided that \"We cannot live here. Let us leave this place.\" He has given that picture, and there is a cart, a bullock cart.",
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"content": "\nThen they moved to Vṛndāvana?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nPrabhupāda? And Vasudeva took Kṛṣṇa across the Yamunā all the way up to this hill up here?",
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"content": "\nYes, yes.",
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"content": "\nVery long walk.",
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"content": "\nNot here; on the other side.",
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"content": "\nOn the other hill.",
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"content": "\nGokula. And when He was three, four years old, then He was brought to Nanda-grāma. [break]",
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"content": "\n…place to live is the highest spot. That is the nicest place?",
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"content": "\nYes. The whole world may be inundated. [break] Royal palaces were made on the hills. Not only…\n[aside:] Be careful; you are going…\n[break] …it is like this. Thousands of miles—stone, stone, stone. I have traveled from Jammu to Pasmin[?] by bus. And hundreds and thousands of miles, only stone like this.",
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"content": "\n They put. They put it there.",
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"content": "\nDon’t go there. Why you are going by that path?",
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"content": "\nPrabhupada? Govardhana is stone?",
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"content": "\nYes, one thousand stones.\n[break] To ride on this palanquin is very comfortable, [laughter] at the cost of others. [laughs]",
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"content": "\nWe should construct one, Prabhupāda, for the remainder of the trip.",
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"content": "\nIt is better than any other vehicle. Formerly, kings were being carried by palanquin. They did not like carriage. Carriage… Palanquin was transformed to carriage first in England—palanquin-carriage, drawn by horse.\n[break] How much fine work in marble stone. This is the spot…",
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"content": "\nThis is the spot?",
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"content": "\n…where Rādhārāṇī was born.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nOh, wow. Right there?",
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"content": "\nRādhāṣṭamī. Fifteen days younger than Kṛṣṇa. [break] [at another location] [Hindi] Cow dung, they use for fuel.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nThey dry it for chips?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes… No, they dry it for using as fuel.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nYes. It has a very, very nice fragrance.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nMm. [break] Cow, anything of cow is useful: urine, dung, everything. Skin, hoof, horn, milk—everything.\n[break] Small pieces. [Hindi conversations] [break]",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\n Take it. Take it. [break] [Hindi conversations] [break]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n…one rupee. Give me one rupee. [leaves in bus]",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nYes, it's true. Vṛndāvana is like everywhere, because it's been like this all my life, Śrīla Prabhupāda. [break]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi] Distribute one thousand rupees, still… This is the position of [indistinct]. [break]",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, shall you take the prasādam before or after? [Hindi] [break]\nThere's that man [break]\nShe's just getting on now, taking... I don't know why she took so long.\nWhy they are taking so much time? Sit down, sit down. Chelo. [break]\n[in bus] That old man is there, that old man at the Dāmodara.",
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"content": "\nWhy that old man gets down? Huh?",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nThe old man should stay here now.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nNo, he cannot. [break] …never come to these places, only for business.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nI see.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nI know. Only bothering. Only bothering.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nIn this way Vṛndāvana is everywhere. This has been like it all my life. [break]",
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"content": "\n[indistinct Hindi saying] [indistinct] go to the pilgrimage, that is simply laboring. [indistinct] Mistake of the mind. He did not like to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa at that place.",
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"content": "\nIs Rādhākuṇḍa like this also? [break]\n[Hindi in bus]\nI\ns \nthat Govardhana Hill right there?\nNo, that’s part of it there.\nThat’s Govardhana Hill right there? It’s so small! There’s Govardhana Hill!\nThe cows are still taking shelter.\n[arrival at next place—Hindi greetings]",
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"content": "\n [to devotee] You are taking a bath?",
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"content": "\n In the morning. Yes.\nI took mine at three o’clock.\n[Hindi] That's all right. [break]\n[background discussion in Hindi]",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n I may not take bath.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nI'll ask, Prabhupāda.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n [Hindi discussion] You can take a bath if you like. I shall stay here.\n[background discussion among devotees about bathing]",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nSaid something about that we should take bath here. If we don’t want to take bath, where shall we stay?",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\n Somebody may remain here.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nI’ll stay here.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nHe will stay, and others can see.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nI’ve seen it before.",
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"content": "\n You have seen.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nI have seen also.\nWhat is happening? It's a bathing ghat?\n[more discussion among devotees] I think everyone's a bit tired.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nLet them take rest,",
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"content": "\nTake prasādam and rest.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nIs that Rādhākuṇḍa? No.",
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"content": "\nNo, Rādhākuṇḍa is...",
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"content": "\nComing.\nNow we can see the value of hearing about the holy places. Visually is nice, but hearing—perfect.",
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"content": "\nSo, somebody may come with me.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "\nRohiṇī. Rohiṇī.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "\nYou take this water; let us go.",
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"content": "\nWe'll stay here. [break]\n[kīrtana]",
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"content": "\nOne rupee. Viśāla?\n What are these places, Prabhupāda? What are these temples? Anything special?\n[break] [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n Viśāla? Five rupees. It's all right. [break]\n…I mean these kuṇḍas, Rādhākuṇḍa and Śyāmakuṇḍa. What is the history of this?\n[break] [kīrtana] [break]\n ...Śyāmakuṇḍa and Rādhākuṇḍa—what is that?",
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"content": "\nKṛṣṇa and Rādhārāṇī, They would take bath.",
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"content": "\nAnd meet.",
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"content": "\n Ah.\n This bathing ghat? [break]\n …Śyāmakuṇḍa, together?",
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"content": "\nBecause Rādhākuṇḍa was discovered by Caitanya Mahāprabhu. [break]",
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"content": "\n What is tomorrow morning's program? [background discussion among devotees about Ekādaśī and engagements] [break]",
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"content": "\n…place, long ago. So he asked me, \"Swāmījī, why you have selected Vṛndāvana as your headquarter?\"",
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"content": "\nHmm. [laughs] It should be Bombay or Calcutta.",
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"content": "\nNo, he had some this bad experience of Vṛndāvana.",
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"content": "\n [in bus] …living condition is not that. In Western country, especially America, is going on.",
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"content": "\nYes. It is the most affluent country. The problem there now is affluence, not poverty. They don’t know what to do with their money.",
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"content": "\nYes. Here there is no money. And there is so ample money, they do not know how to use it.",
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"content": "\nAffluence has its own problems. Perhaps more problems than poverty. [laughs]",
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"content": "\n[kīrtana]\n [prema-dhvani] [devotees offer obeisances]\n[04:20]\n[break] ...very beautiful boys. Why did you not join us, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa? Is it very difficult? Will you try to chant? Hare. Say \"Hare.\"",
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"content": "\n Hare.",
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"content": "\n All of you chant, Hare.",
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"content": "\n Hare.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa.\n[Prabhupāda leads them through whole mantra]",
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"content": "\n There are three words only: Hare, Kṛṣṇa and Rāma. Is it very difficult?",
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"content": "\nNo.",
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"content": "\nChant again. Hare.",
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"content": "\n Hare.",
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"content": "\n Oh, you cannot chant? You are all dumb? [laughter] How is that? Chant: Hare!",
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"content": "\n Hare!",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa!",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa!\n[Prabhupāda leads them through whole mantra again]",
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"content": "\n Three words you cannot chant? Oh, that is very astonishing. Hare, Kṛṣṇa and Rāma. Do you know what is God? Can any one of you stand up and tell me what is God? Thank you. Come here. [applause and laughter] Yes. Do you know what is God?",
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"content": "\n Yes. God is self-realization, and God is found in the unconscious mind.",
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"content": "\n Thank you. [applause] No, no. Don't go away. Don't go away. God is... What is that? What did you say, God, God is...?",
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"content": "\n Self-realization.",
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"content": "\n Self-realization. Explain it, what is self-realization.",
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"content": "\n Tapping the powers of the unconscious mind and seeing yourself...",
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"content": "\n Do you think mind is unconscious?",
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"content": "\n The mind is unconscious.",
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"content": "\n You say \"unconscious mind.\" You just now told me \"unconscious mind.\" Is mind unconscious?",
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"content": "\n Most of it is.",
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"content": "\n [aside:] What did he say?",
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"content": "\n \"Most of it.\"",
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"content": "\n No. Mind is never unconscious. Mind is not for a single moment unconscious. When you sleep, when your bodily limbs are silent, mind works. Therefore you sleep..., you dream. Mind always acts. Mind is never unconscious, even not for a second. Now you have to find out what is consciousness.",
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"content": "\n I'm not talking about consciousness. The unconsciousness.",
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"content": "\n So unless you know consciousness, how do you describe unconsciousness?",
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"content": "\n The unconscious is the id.",
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"content": "\n Unconsciousness is the negative side of consciousness. So you should explain what is consciousness. Then we can understand unconsciousness.",
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"content": "\n I didn't say \"unconsciousness.\" I said \"unconscious.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Unconscious means the negative of consciousness. So you have to explain what is consciousness. Then we can understand what is unconsciousness.",
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"content": "\n Consciousness...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...is when you can think.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\nUnconsciousness is when you cannot think.",
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"content": "\n Yes. There is no such position when you cannot think.",
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"content": "\n When you are in coma.",
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"content": "\n When you... There is no such position as when you cannot think. You have to think something always. That is your position.",
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"content": "\n You can't think when you're in a coma or when you're dead. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Then you remember when you were dead. Try to understand what is consciousness, then you will understand what is unconsciousness. Consciousness is spread all over the body. Suppose I pinch in any part of your body: you feel some pain, and that is consciousness, any part of your body. But that consciousness is individual. You can feel the pains and pleasure of your body, and your friend also can feel the pains and pleasure of his body. I can feel pains and pleasure of my body.\nSo this feeling of pains and pleasure is consciousness. But one thing, that I cannot feel pains and pleasure of your body, neither you can feel the pains and pleasure of my body. Therefore your consciousness is individual; my consciousness is individual. But there is another consciousness who can feel the pains and pleasure of your body and who can feel the pains and pleasure of my body. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. You have heard the name of Bhagavad-gītā? Have you, any of you?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Who says yes? Please come here. Thank you. It is very good. At least one of you know what is Bhagavad-gītā. Don't go away. Please come here. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that kṣetra-kṣetra-jñaḥ [Bg. 13.3]. Two things are described there. Kṣetra means this body, and kṣetra-jña means the knower of the body. Just like \"I am.\" I know this is my finger, this is my leg, this is my head. So I am the knower. And this leg is my body. Is that..., is it not stated in the Bhagavad-gītā?",
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"content": "\n Well, I don't know the Bhagavad-gītā very well.",
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"content": "\n All right. Bhagavad-gītā, in the Thirteenth Chapter, you will find it is described: the body and the knower of the body. Just like you think over your body, you think over your finger, you will understand that it is your finger. When I think of this finger, I know this is my finger. When I think of this leg, I think that \"This is my leg.\" But I don't think your finger as my finger. This knower is individual, and he knows not everything but something of his body.\nI do not know everything of my body. Suppose I am eating, I am eating something. How this eatable substance transforms into vitamin secretion and how it is being distributed all over the body and is supplying the energy? Or take, for example, I have got my hair, but I do not know how many hairs I have got. Is not that a fact? Can you count your hairs, how many hairs you have got? So, so many things we do not know even of our body, although I am claiming that \"This is my body.\"\nBut there is another living being. He is supreme living being, Kṛṣṇa. He says that \"I know everything of everyone's body.\" Ksetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata [Bg. 13.3]. This is the verse. Ksetra-jña means the knower of the body. You are individual knower of your body; I am knower individually of my body. So everyone is knower of his own body. But there is another person, who says that \"I know everything of everyone's body.\" Kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata. He is known as Paramātmā.\nThe individual knower is known as ātmā, or soul, spirit soul.\n[aside:] Yes. You can sit down on the bench.\nYes. The individual soul is called ātmā. But there is another soul, Supersoul. He is called Paramātmā. Paramātmā is God. Paramātmā is God, but ātmā and Paramātmā, both of them are cognizant. Both of them know things. Just like I know something about my body or I know something about this world. Similarly, there is another ātmā, supreme ātmā, who knows everything of this universe. He is sometimes called God or the Paramātmā or Kṛṣṇa, whatever He..., according to different language.\nSo that God is also knower; you are also knower. So far knowing capacity is concerned, you are one with God. Because Kṛṣṇa or God is cognizant, you are also cognizant. But you are cognizant with very limited sphere, and He is cognizant unlimitedly everywhere. That is the difference.\nSo try to understand Paramātmā and jīvātmā. Jivātmā is a small, and Paramātmā, or God, is great. That you know, every one of you. You say, \"God is great,\" but how He is great, that we do not know. That we have to know. That is called God consciousness or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Everyone says, \"God is great. God is omnipotent. God is all-powerful,\" but we do not know how God is great, how God is all-powerful, how God is omnipotent. That we should know. And that is the prerogative, a special power for the human being.\nThe animals, they cannot know what is God, how God is great, how God is all-powerful. But a human being, if he tries, if he consults books of knowledge just like Bible or Bhagavad-gītā or similar other scriptures, he can know what is God, how great He is, how omnipotent He is, and what is our relationship with God.\nWe should know also our relationship with God. And that is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. Our relationship with God is that we are all part and parcel of God. Just like your father has got many children—you are part of the father's body—similarly, God, the supreme father, He has also many children, and you are one of them; therefore you are part and parcel of God.\nThat is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nmamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ\njīva-loke sanātanaḥ\nmanaḥ ṣaṣṭhānīndriyāṇi\nprakṛti-sthāni karṣati\n[Bg. 15.7]\nKṛṣṇa says that \"All these living entities, they are all My parts and parcels, but being influenced by mental concoction, he is very much struggling hard within this material world.\" Manaḥ ṣaṣṭhānīndriyāṇi prakṛti-sthāni karṣati.\nThis struggle for existence of the human being is due to his lack of knowledge of God. He does not know how God is great. There is no educational institution all over the world to discuss this subject matter, how God is great, how He is omnipotent, how I am servant of God. These things are not discussed. But when we forget our relationship with God, we become subjected to the threefold miseries of material existence.\nTake for example... Just like an Australian citizen: he is under the laws of the state of Australia. But if he says, \"I don't care for the government,\" he becomes lawless, and sometimes he becomes criminal, and he is put into the prison life. In the prison also, he has to abide by the laws of the government, and outside the prison also, one has to abide by the laws of the government. But outside the prison the citizens abide by the laws of the government voluntarily, and inside the prison house, the criminals, they defy the laws of government, and therefore they are put into the prison house.\nSo when we defy the laws of God, we are put into threefold miseries of life. That is called material existence. And when we abide by the laws of God, then we are happy. We..., we should know this fact. And religion means to abide by the laws of God. In the Sanskrit language it is said, dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19]. Dharma, or religion, means the codes of God. Code. Just like laws cannot be manufactured by some individual man—laws are enacted by the government—similarly, religious principles, they are made by God.\nGodless man does not care for religion, but those who are sober, devotee, godly, they abide by the laws of God, and they are happy. Just like in your Bible there are commandments. So one has to abide by the commandment; then he will be happy. And if one disobeys the commandments of God, he will be unhappy.\nSo our this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is not a sectarian movement. We are trying to bring back people to God consciousness. Because unless one comes to God consciousness, he cannot be happy. That's a fact. He becomes careless, and without abiding by the laws of God, he becomes criminal, subjected to so many troubles inflicted by the laws of nature.\nSo these things should be taught from the beginning. It is said in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, kaumāram ācaret prājño dharmān bhāgavatān iha [SB 7.6.1]. In every schools and colleges these codes of God should be taught to the children. Then in future they will be godly, or God conscious, and their life will be peaceful. And because this is not taught in the schools and colleges... I have got experience by traveling in the Western countries. Especially in America, they have got so many nice arrangements of big, big universities. Unfortunately, nowadays they are producing hippies.\nSo this is not very encouraging. In every schools and colleges the God consciousness should be taught. Never mind whether through Bible or Koran or through Bhagavad-gītā. Everywhere there is knowledge of God consciousness. That teaching should be introduced in every schools and colleges so that children, from the very beginning, may understand what is God, how great he is, how we are related with God, and how we have to live.\nSo our this movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is teaching that thing. Don't think that it is a sectarian religion. We are making people God conscious. It doesn't matter whichever religion you may belong; we want to see whether you are actually God conscious. Our Bhāgavata says, sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6], that \"That religious system is first class wherein God consciousness, or love of God, is taught.\" That is first-class religion. It doesn't matter whether it is Christian religion or Hindu religion or Muhammadan religion. If by following the principles of religion one becomes advanced in God consciousness, that is first-class religion. That is our motto, and we are preaching all over the world.\nSo I do not see some of your teachers here. I request them that to make the students from the very beginning God consciousness. Then their future life is very peaceful, prosperous and hopeful.\nThank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [applause]\n[kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] [break]",
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Religion does not mean that \"My religion says this,\" \"Your religion says this,\" \"Your religion says this.\" Religious means whether you are properly executing the will of the Supreme. That's all. This is religion. Dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19].\nThe nonsense rascals, they cannot manufacture religion. Religion cannot... Just like ordinary citizens, they cannot make laws for the state. Suppose if you make a law. Who will care for your law? Don't take advantage of the innocent people and make your own religion and make a group and try to exploit them. This is all nonsense.\nDharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam. Dharma means the regulation of the Supreme. So we have to know. That is religion. So any religion which is directing to obey the Supreme Lord, that is bona fide. And anything minus, or \"Not to Kṛṣṇa but to me,\" this is a nonsense rascaldom. You see?\nSo before studying Vedānta, we should understand this fact. Caitanya Mahāprabhu is therefore stressing on this point, that there is no cheating, there is no mistake, there is no illusion, there is no imperfectness. Then we can make progress. If we are doubtful: \"Oh, Bhagavad-gītā is spoken by some Kṛṣṇa, somebody. He was learned man, philosopher. So I can point out my own point...\" No. Not like that.\nSo,\nupaniṣat-sahita sūtra kahe yei tattva\nmukhya-vṛttye sei artha parama mahattva\n[Cc. Ādi 7.108]\n[The Absolute Truth is described in the Upaniṣads and Brahma-sūtra, but one must understand the verses as they are. That is the supreme glory in understanding.]\nThis is... Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that all the Upaniṣads, all the Vedic literature, Vedānta-sūtra, they, they are composed in that way. Therefore, mukhya-vṛttye sei artha parama mahattva: \"Therefore, if you take directly the meaning, that is the superexcellence of your understanding.\" Directly. Don't try to foolishly interpret. Just like in the Bhagavad-gītā the first verse is,\ndharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre\nsamavetā yuyutsavaḥ\nmāmakāḥ pāṇḍavāś caiva\nkim akurvata sañjaya\n[Bg. 1.1]\n[Dhṛtarāṣṭra said: O Sañjaya, after assembling in the place of pilgrimage at Kurukṣetra, what did my sons and the sons of Pāṇḍu do, being desirous to fight?]\n\"My dear Sañjaya, my sons, māmakāḥ, my sons and Pāṇḍava, the sons of my younger brother, Pāṇḍu, they assembled in the battlefield which is also a pilgrimage. Then what did they do?\" This is the simple. But the nonsense rascals, they are eschewing some meaning, \"Oh, kuru-kṣetra means 'body,' and dharma-kṣetra means this or this... Pāṇḍava means 'the five senses.' \" So many nonsensical... Even Gandhi has done this. What Gandhi? Gandhi's nothing. You see? So they are..., these rascals are doing and misleading persons.\nI've recently written one written to Dr. Radhakrishnan that \"You are going to retire. Now join this Kṛṣṇa conscious movement. You have written your Bhagavad-gītā, and you don't believe Kṛṣṇa as Supreme Lord, God. Therefore by reading your Bhagavad-gītā people have become godless. So you better rectify your mistake.\nNow join this.\" I've written state letter to Dr. Radhakrishnan. \"So if you want to, I mean to say, compensate the greatest sin you have committed in your Bhagavad-gītā, then you join this Kṛṣṇa conscious movement and rectify yourself.\" \"Not to Kṛṣṇa.\" So Caitanya Mahāprabhu does not approve this. Kṛṣṇa says,\nman-manā bhava mad-bhakto\nmad-yājī māṁ namaskuru\nmam evaiṣyasi\nkaunteya... asaṁśayaḥ\n[Bg. 18.65]\n[Always think of Me and become My devotee. Worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend.]\n\"O My dear Arjuna, you just surrender unto Me. You worship Me. You offer your obeisances unto Me. You always think of Me.\" This is straight. The straight meaning, \"Me,\" Kṛṣṇa is saying. Therefore we should offer our respect to Kṛṣṇa. We should worship Kṛṣṇa. We shall think of Kṛṣṇa. We shall chant of Kṛṣṇa. This is the straight meaning. But the commentator says, \"Oh, not to Kṛṣṇa.\" Just see. \"Not to Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSo this nonsensical commentation is... Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, mukhya-vṛttye. Mukhya-vṛttye, directly as you understand it. If I say, \"My dear such and such, give me a glass of water,\" now you interpret, \"Oh, Swāmījī wants water. Oh, he has taken water. Let me supply this or that,\" interpretation. What is the use of interpreting? I'm asking for water. Give me water. Call a spade a spade.\nThis should be the... This should be the understanding of Vedānta. Because all foolish nonsense, they are interpreting: \"Such-and-such person's commentation of Vedānta-sūtra.\" Because they were trying to manifest and expose their thinking power, that \"I think that this should be like this.\" What nonsense you are? What you can think? You think as it is.\nThis is Caitanya Mahāprabhu says. Don't think otherwise. As it is. In the Upaniṣads, īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam: \"Everything belongs to God.\" Believe it as belongs to God. Don't interpret. Then you'll understand Vedas. \nĪśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvaṁ yat kiñcit jagatyāṁ jagat\n[Īśo mantra 1]:\n[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]\n\"Anything, any minute thing in this material world, everything belongs to that Supreme Lord.\" Who can deny it? Why do you interpret? Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā: \"So you enjoy as He orders you.\"\nYou are not forbidden to enjoy. Just like we say that illicit sex relation not ordered, er, not allowed. You should take it because it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. \nDharmāviruddho kāmo 'smi aham\n[Bg. 7.11]:\n[I am the strength of the strong, devoid of passion and desire. I am sex life which is not contrary to religious principles, O Lord of the Bhāratas [Arjuna]]\n\"The sex desire which is sanctioned by religion, that is I am.\" That is Kṛṣṇa. Sex desire to fulfill—it does not mean that like cat, we are free. What is this freedom? That freedom has cats and dogs. They are so free that on the road they have sexual intercourse. You have not so much freedom. You have to find out a parlor, er, apartment. So do you want that is freedom? This is not freedom. This is, I mean to say, going to hell. This is not freedom.\nTherefore Vedic literatures enjoins that if you want sex life, then you become householder. You marry a nice girl, and then you have got very good responsibility. This, this concession, sex life, is allowed so that you have to serve the all others. That is the responsibility. Now there are four divisions of social order—brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha and sannyāsa. The brahmacārī does not, I mean to say, earn anything.\nThey depend on the society. Sannyāsī—depend on the society. Vānaprastha—depend on the society. Only the householder who is living with wife and children, he has got the whole responsibility to provide these brahmacārī, vānaprastha and sannyāsī. You see? In India still, if a brahmacārī, if a sannyāsī goes to a householder, immediately offers something. So they do not want more, but they want little for their maintenance of this body and soul together. It is the duty of the householder.\nSo unless one becomes responsible householder, how he'll execute his responsibility? If he thinks, \"Oh, what is the use of keeping a cow when the milk is available in the market? Oh, sex life is so cheap. Why shall I take the responsibility of marrying?\" This is going on. This is going on. Just like cats and dogs.\nSo the cats and dogs cannot understand Vedānta philosophy. First condition. It is not meant for the cats and dogs; it is meant for human being. So we should be human being first of all. Then we shall try to understand. Our life is so wretched that it is less than cats and dogs, and we try to understand Vedānta philosophy. It is not possible.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu says mukhya-vṛttye, direct meaning, as it is said. That is beauty of understanding. Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]:\n\"The supreme source from which everything emanating, that is Brahman.\" What is the interpretation? There is no interpretation. Supreme... There must be some supreme source. That is quite philosophical and logical, that I have my... This bodily existence has a source, my father. My father has a source, his father, his father... Go on. There must be one supreme source. That is God. Simple to understand. Is it very difficult to understand?\nThe supreme cause, He is God. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is described in Brahma-saṁhitā, \nsarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam\n[Bs. 5.1]. \n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nKāraṇa means \"cause,\" and sarva means \"all.\" There are cause, cause, cause and effect, cause and effect, cause and eff... When you reach to the supreme cause, He's Kṛṣṇa. He's Kṛṣṇa. And Kṛṣṇa confirms it in the Bhagavad-gītā, ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ.\n[aside:] Have you got Bhagavad-gītā?\nahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo\nmattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate\niti matvā bhajante mām..\n[Bg. 10.8]\n[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]\nIn the Tenth Chapter you'll find this word, ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ. So things should be accepted as they are.\n[aside:] Have you got it?",
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"content": "\n \"Teacher.\" Still, he'll not say \"Kṛṣṇa.\" Kṛṣṇa-phobia. [laughter] You see? He's always thinking, \"If I say 'Kṛṣṇa,' oh, then I'll be in trouble.\" This is the demonic tendency, and that is also explained in the Bhagavad-gītā: \nna māṁ prapadyante mūḍhāḥ duṣkṛtino narādhamāḥ\n[Bg. 7.15].\n[Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons, do not surrender unto Me.]\nThe rascals and the lowest of the mankind, narādhama, and the asses and the, I mean, the nonsense—mūḍha means ass; simply work for others. He has no self-interest. Ass. So mūḍha. Na māṁ prapadyante mūḍhāḥ. \"A person who is as rascal as an ass,\" mūḍhāḥ, na māṁ prapadyante mūḍhāḥ duṣkṛtina, \"and always engaged in sinful activities, and the lowest of the mankind and demon, he does not,\" I mean to say, \"surrender unto Me, accept Me.\"\n\"Oh, there are many educated persons...\" Just like Dr. Radhakrishnan, he also says, he also, \"Not to Kṛṣṇa.\" Then what about his education? Oh, that is also replied, māyayāpahṛta-jñānā: \"Oh, he's educated—so-called. The māyā has plundered his all knowledge.\" That means although... He's an educated fool. There are educated rascals. They have got some university degrees, but actually they are rascal, less than an ass.\nSo that is also described: māyayā apahṛta-jñānā. They have acquired some knowledge, undoubtedly, but the essence of the knowledge is taken away by māyā. Essence of the knowledge. Just like I give you milk, but I churn it. I take the butter out, and I give you milk. It is just like that. If milk is administered taking out the butter, that is also a cheating, because milk means to take fat. Fat we require. For our proper maintenance of the body, we require fat. So milk-drinking means eating fat. So if the fat is already taken away, what is this milk?\nSo similarly, knowledge means to—athāto brahma jijñāsā—to understand Brahman. Kṛṣṇa says,\nahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate\n[Bg. 10.8]:\n[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]\n\"I am the origin of everything, and everything emanates from Me.\" Iti matvā bhajante mām, budhā. Budhā means one who is in the topmost platform of knowledge. That is called budhā. Therefore Lord Buddha is called Buddha. Budhā means one who is in the topmost platform of knowledge. He's called budhā. Budh-dhātu. Budh-dhātu means to know, to understand, or to have knowledge. So budhā. Budhā means one who is actually buddha, or budhā, he worships Kṛṣṇa, because he knows perfectly well that He is the origin of everything. Sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam.\nīśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ\nsac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ\nanādir ādir govindaḥ\nsarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam\n[Bs. 5.1]\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nThere are so many īśvaras, controller, but Parameśvara, or the Supreme Lord, supreme controller, is Kṛṣṇa. Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ. People may misunderstand, \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa, we have seen Him. He's a historical person. How He can be the supreme controller? He's just like a man. He's a man like us.\" No. He's sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ. He's not like a man like you. His form is spiritual, blissful, eternal. \"How it is eternal? We have known that He is born.\" That Kṛṣṇa says,\njanma karma me divyaṁ yo jānāti tattvataḥ\n[Bg. 4.9]:\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\n\"How I am born, what are My activities, if anyone knows...\" Then what he becomes? Oh, tyaktvā dehaṁ punar: \"He becomes immediately liberated.\"\nSo He's not so easy to understand. \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa is born in Mathurā. His father is Vasudeva. Oh, He...\" No. He's unborn. He's unborn, but I am seeing that He's born. Just like sun is unborn. I am seeing that at five o'clock sun is born in the eastern side of New York City. This is my foolishness. Sun is never born. He's always there. It is my imperfectness that I am seeing that sun is born this hour. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa is never born. Kṛṣṇa is just like sun.\nSo as they are, if we want to understand...\nAcintyāḥ khalu ye bhāvā na tāṁs tarkeṇa yojayet\n[Cc. Ādi 17.308, Mahābhārata, Bhīṣma-parva 5.22]:\n[Anything transcendental to material nature is called inconceivable, whereas arguments are all mundane. Since mundane arguments cannot touch transcendental subject matters, one should not try to understand transcendental subjects through mundane arguments.]\n\"Things which are beyond your conception,\" avāṅ manasā gocaraḥ, \"beyond your expression, beyond your knowledge, don't apply your so-called argument and reason.\" That is Vedānta study. If, if you do not understand, put question to your spiritual master, try to understand. But as a matter of fact, you should know, \"What is stated here, that is all right. It is due to my imperfectness of knowledge I cannot just now understand it. Let me ask my spiritual master and let me understand it properly.\"\nBut a thing as it is, that is all right. We must take it. Mukhya-vṛttye. Mukhya means \"as it is.\" Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1].\nWhat commentation you can give? If the Vedas says, Īśopaniṣad, that \"Everything belongs to God,\" how can you deny it? What is your argument? What is your...? You cannot deny it. Similarly, all these Vedic sūtras, Upaniṣad, Vedānta, anything should be understood...\ngauna-vṛttye yebā bhāṣya karila ācārya\ntāhāra śravaṇe nāśa haya sarva kārya\n[Cc. Ādi 7.109]\n[Śrīpāda Śaṅkarācārya has described all the Vedic literatures in terms of indirect meanings. One who hears such explanations is ruined.]\nNow Caitanya Mahāprabhu is directly challenging Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī. Prakāśānanda Sarasvatī belonged to the Śaṅkara-sampradāya, Śaṅkara school of thought. Now, Caitanya Mahāprabhu is directly challenging that gauna-vṛttye yebā bhāṣya karila ācārya. Ācārya means Śaṅkarācārya. Śaṅkarācārya has made a commentary which is called Śārīraka-bhāṣya of Vedānta-sūtra. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu says this Śārīraka-bhāṣya, gauna-vṛttye, indirectly... Just like we are accustomed to do: \"I think the meaning should be like this,\" grammatical or this way or that way, jugglery of words.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu directly accuses Śaṅkarācārya that the commentary which he has made indirectly, if we read that commentary or if we hear that commentary, then tāhāra śravaṇe nāśa haya sarva kārya, then anyone who is hearing or understanding, trying to understand the Śārīraka-bhāṣya, he is going to hell. He's not only wasting his time, but he's going to hell. Sarva nāśa. Sarva nāśa means \"all auspicity lost.\"\nWhy? Why lost? Lost because as soon as you indulge in the reading of the Śaṅkara-bhāṣya, the whole program is you have to think that \"I am God.\" So if I am God, then who is else God, that I have to worship? That means the prospect of devotional service, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is killed forever. Such rascal will never be able to come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Therefore he says, haya sarva nāśa. He is being murdered, you see, because he never will come. He'll always think, \"I am God.\"\nJust like... Who was speaking? Yes, yes, Nikhilananda. He has discussed in that Vivekananda's speech that man is God. But somebody asks, \"Why he has become dog?\" \"Oh,\" he says, \"I do not know.\" So God says, \"I do not know.\" He's such a God. And that is clearly written. Have you got that book? God..., God..., God...\nThe followers of Śaṅkarācārya say that \"I am God. There is no other God. Every one of us God.\" \"Then why you have become dog?\" \"Oh, that I do not know.\" Is that God's, I mean to say, answer? If I ask if you are God, if I answer you, \"Why you are dog?\" you say, \"I do not know,\" so are you God? God does not know?\nWell, God description is there in Parāśara-sūtra that He is full of all knowledge. That is God. And God says, \"I do not know\"? How he is...? What kind of God he is? That is clearly stated there. Why you have become dog? \"I do not know. But I am God.\" He knows, \"I am God,\" but he does not know why he has become dog. That is his knowledge. You'll find so many fallacies like this. How do you know that you are God? \"That also I do not know.\" What is this? Is this any argument?\nBut God definition is that,\naiśvaryasya samāgrasya\nvīryasya yaśasaḥ śriyaḥ\njñāna-vairāgyayoś caiva\nṣaṇṇāṁ itī bhagan ganā\n[Viṣṇu Purāṇa 6.5.47]\n[Full wealth, strength, fame, beauty, knowledge and renunciation—these are the six opulences of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.]\nMeans Bhagavān, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is, is, He has got complete aiśvarya, wealth, He has got complete fame, He has got complete knowledge, He has got complete beauty and He has got complete renunciation. By these six complete, I mean to..., opulences, the God is there.\nSo if you find somebody that He's full in six opulences... So we find Kṛṣṇa. If you find in the history... Whole history of the world till now, you won't find any other person more than Kṛṣṇa. Therefore He is God. Therefore He is God. Find out from the history if anybody is more than Kṛṣṇa.\nSo this is..., these are the definition, these are the knowledge. We have to follow these. Then we become perfect. Don't try to follow the rascals and nonsense. Then you'll go to hell.\nThank you very much.",
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"content": "\n\n...mahi gṛṇāmi vigata-\nviklava īśvarasya yathā manīṣam\nnīco jayā guṇa-visargam anupraviṣṭaḥ\npūyeta yena hi pumān anuvarṇitena\n[SB 7.9.12]\n[Therefore, although I was born in a demoniac family, I may without a doubt offer prayers to the Lord with full endeavor, as far as my intelligence allows. Anyone who has been forced by ignorance to enter the material world may be purified of material life if he offers prayers to the Lord and hears the Lord's glories.]\nThis is the prayer of Prahlāda Mahārāja, a great devotee of Lord. So he has described that although he was born of an atheistic family, but still, Kṛṣṇa, or God, does not take account of a devotee in which family he belongs. Kṛṣṇa does not take account, God does not take account of the family of breeding. He's equally kind to everyone. You have seen the picture, that Kṛṣṇa is loving both the calves and as well as the gopīs. In the spiritual platform, there is no such distinction that one is on the higher level or one is on the lower level. Paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ [Bg. 5.18].\n[The humble sage, by virtue of true knowledge, sees with equal vision a learned and gentle brāhmaṇa, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste].]\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā, therefore, it is said that those who are actually learned, they have no such distinction. Although in material consideration, according to the body, there is distinction, in the spiritual platform there is no such distinction.\nKṛṣṇa therefore says in the Bhagavad-gītā, māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ [Bg. 9.32].\n[O son of Pṛthā, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth—women, vaiśyas [merchants], as well as śūdras [workers]—can approach the supreme destination.]\nAnyone, it does not matter in which family he belongs to, if he takes shelter unto the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, never mind what he is—he may be a man, he may be a woman, he may be a śūdra, he may be a brāhmaṇa or he may be black or he may be white—everyone can approach to the highest platform of devotional service. It is open field.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja, although he was born of an atheistic family, he's taking courage: \"The Lord has no such distinction; therefore I shall pray according to my capacity.\" Bhāva-grāhī janārdana. \n[The Lord accepts the essence of a devotee's attitude.]\nBhāva. The Personality of Godhead takes account of your mental... Not exactly mental—your spiritual attraction, how much you are attracted. This attraction is the main thing.\nAs I have several times explained in this meeting, that sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharma yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6].\n[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]\nWhat is the highest type of religion? Everyone will say that \"My system of religion is better than yours.\" That is quite natural. A Hindu will say, \"Oh, I am better than the Christian.\" Christian will say, \"I am better than the Hindu.\" But Bhāgavata says that that is not the test of religion. Bhagavat says, sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6]. That type of religion is the best by which one develops love of Godhead. That's all. The test is how much you have developed love of Godhead. Bhāva-grāhī janārdana.\n[The Lord accepts the essence of a devotee's attitude.]\nIn Vedic literature it is said that God, Kṛṣṇa, simply accepts your bhāva, or your situation, how much you have developed your attraction for God, or Kṛṣṇa. That is taken into account. He does not take account that \"Oh, you are very rich,\" \"You are very beautiful,\" \"You are very opulent,\" or \"You are very poor,\" \"You are not beautiful.\" These considerations are not there. The only consideration is that how much you love God. Then your life is successful.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja, therefore, taking courage, that the material qualifications are not assets to approach God, but it is only devotional service, service attitude. \"Kṛṣṇa, or God, I love You. I can sacrifice You... I can sacrifice everything for You.\" Just like Lord Jesus Christ, he sacrificed even his life. The gopīs, they also sacrificed everything for Kṛṣṇa. This is wanted. The degree of sacrifice, the degree of attachment is taken into consideration by God, not any material opulence.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja is encouraged. Tasmād ahaṁ vigata-viklava īśvarasya sarvātmanā mahi gṛṇāmi yathā manīṣam [SB 7.9.12]:\n[Therefore, although I was born in a demoniac family, I may without a doubt offer prayers to the Lord with full endeavor, as far as my intelligence allows. Anyone who has been forced by ignorance to enter the material world may be purified of material life if he offers prayers to the Lord and hears the Lord's glories.]\n\"Therefore I shall try to offer my prayers according to my capacity.\" It is not that because one does not know Sanskrit or a particular type of language and he cannot pray very nicely with poetic simile, metaphor... These things are not required. Simply you have to open your feelings of love of Godhead. Then He's pleased. It does not depend on the particular type of language or poetic ideas. No.\nThere is one verse in the beginning of the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that,\ntad-vāg-visargo janatāgha-viplavo\nyasmin prati-ślokam abaddhavaty api\nnāmāny anantasya yaśo 'ṅkitāni yat\nśṛṇvanti gāyanti gṛṇanti sādhavaḥ\n[SB 1.5.11]\n[On the other hand, that literature which is full of descriptions of the transcendental glories of the name, fame, forms, pastimes, etc., of the unlimited Supreme Lord is a different creation, full of transcendental words directed toward bringing about a revolution in the impious lives of this world's misdirected civilization. Such transcendental literatures, even though imperfectly composed, are heard, sung and accepted by purified men who are thoroughly honest.]\nIt is said that a verse written in broken language... Suppose a person, a great devotee, is writing some prayers for God, but he has no idea of the rhetorical or prosodic method, the system of poetry. He has no such idea, but he is simply expressing his feeling. But if that feeling is correct, even the language is broken...\nThere are many examples. Just like a child, he prays mother, parents, simply by crying. It has no language, but the mother understands what is the feeling of the child. It is the feeling that is taken into consideration, not the language. So Prahlāda Mahārāja very much encouraged, that tasmād ahaṁ vigata-viklava [SB 7.9.12].\n[Therefore, although I was born in a demoniac family, I may without a doubt offer prayers to the Lord with full endeavor, as far as my intelligence allows. Anyone who has been forced by ignorance to enter the material world may be purified of material life if he offers prayers to the Lord and hears the Lord's glories.]\nSo without any doubt, īśvarasya, of the Lord, sarvātmanā, wholeheartedly, without any reservation, if I say, \"My dear God, my dear Kṛṣṇa, from today I surrender unto You. Please protect me,\" this very language, this very feeling will give you all protection. It is so nice. He does not require to be very learned man. In the spiritual platform there is no such consideration. Tasmād ahaṁ vigata..., īśvarasya sarvātmanā [SB 7.9.12].\nSo the qualification is: without any reservation. \"So much for God, so much for my sense gratification,\" there is reservation. In the Bhagavad-gītā also the same thing is ordered by Kṛṣṇa: sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg. 18.66].\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\nDon't divide your energy, that \"So much energy for God, so much energy for māyā, or matter.\" No. Sarvātmanā. Fully. Then whatever energy you have got, that is sufficient to approach God. It doesn't matter what you are. Sarvātmanā mahi gṛṇāmi yathā manīṣam [SB 7.9.12]. Yathā manīṣam means \"as far as it is possible by me.\" Nīco ajayā, \"although I am born low,\" guṇa visargam anupraviṣṭaḥ, \"but as soon as the vibration of Lord's name will enter unto me, so I am..., I may be qualitatively very low...\"\nJust like there are three qualities. Someone may be in the quality of goodness, someone may be in the quality of passion, someone may be in the quality of darkness, or ignorance. But Kṛṣṇa, or God, is transcendental to all qualities, because He's Supreme Spirit. We are also transcendental to all qualities, but at the present circumstances we are under the clutches of this qualitative existence.\nSomebody is very good man, somebody is very passionate man, somebody is ignorant fool. These are all qualitative representation of this material world. But as soon as you come to the platform of God, you transcend all the qualities. All the qualities. There is no such distinction, \"good man,\" \"bad man,\" \"this man\" or \"that man.\"\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā also it is stated,\nmāṁ ca vyabhicāriṇi\nbhakti yogena yaḥ sevate\nsa guṇān samatītyaitān\nbrahma-bhūyāya kalpate\n[Bg. 14.26]\n[One who engages in full devotional service, who does not fall down in any circumstance, at once transcends the modes of material nature and thus comes to the level of Brahman.]\nAnyone who is engaged in unalloyed devotional service to the Lord, without any reservation—avyabhicāriṇi, not adulterated, simply pure love of Godhead, ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānuśīlanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167], favorably—how God will be pleased.\n[“’When first-class devotional service develops, one must be devoid of all material desires, knowledge obtained by monistic philosophy, and fruitive action. The devotee must constantly serve Kṛṣṇa favorably, as Kṛṣṇa desires.’]\nWith this feeling, if one is engaged in devotional service, māṁ ca vyabhicāriṇi bhakti yogena yaḥ sevate... If anyone is engaged in that way, then what is his position? Sa guṇān samatītyaitān [Bg. 14.26]. There are three qualities of the material nature, namely goodness, passion and ignorance. He at once transcends. Sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate. Immediately he is spiritually identified. Immediately.\nSo this process of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, if we do it very nicely... Nicely does not mean that we have to become a very nice musician or very artistic singer. No. Very nicely means sincerely and with great attention. The process is the highest yoga system. This transcendental vibration, if you simply concentrate your mind on the vibration \"Hare Kṛṣṇa...\" Other kinds of yoga system is not possible in this age.\nYou cannot meditate on a particular subject matter, because mind is so agitating and changing that you try to fix up your mind on a particular subject matter, but mind flickers from one subject to another, another, to another. Then it becomes something else. But this vibration is so nice that even if your mind is flickering, the sound will force you to, I mean to say, draw your attention. \"Hare Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSo therefore... And it is very easy. For other sort of meditation, you have to learn how to sit down, how to fix up your body. You have to select a nice place, a solitary place, a purified place. You have to sit down in a certain posture. So many things. Those things are not possible at the present age because we are so much disturbed by the present atmosphere, everyone. Just like this morning you have news that the Russians, they have captured Czechoslovakia. How much distressed they are. I heard from the newspaper that several of them were crying.\nSo this is the position. Padaṁ padaṁ yad vipadam [SB 10.14.58].\n[For those who have accepted the boat of the lotus feet of the Lord, who is the shelter of the cosmic manifestation and is famous as Murāri, the enemy of the Mura demon, the ocean of the material world is like the water contained in a calf's hoof-print. Their goal is paraṁ padam, Vaikuṇṭha, the place where there are no material miseries, not the place where there is danger at every step.]\nEvery step, there is danger. The material conditional life is so obscure that every step. Therefore the first-class process of yoga is this bhakti-yoga. Simply you turn your attention to this vibration and chant it according to your capacity. It does not require any pre-education. Prahlāda Mahārāja said, yathā manīṣam. Yathā manīṣam means \"as far as it is in my power.\"\nSo you can chant Hare Kṛṣṇa as far as in your power. That means you can chant whenever it is possible. It is not that you have to go to a temple on a particular time and chant. No. While you are walking, you can chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Practically we see, when we pass on the street, some of the children, seeing us, say \"Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" Even the children, they can also chant, it is so nice thing. Because they have no convention. So this chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa will give him some effect. Yathā manīṣam sarvātmanā.\nThen guṇa-visargam anupraviṣṭaḥ. This vibration, as soon as enters within your mind, anupraviṣṭaḥ, because this vibration is absolute, there is no difference between Kṛṣṇa and His name. So Kṛṣṇa is always within you. God is always within you as the Supersoul. So this transcendental sound immediately reminds you, so you become immediately connected. And it is said that those who are engaged in such yoga system, bhakti-yoga system... Śṛṇvatāṁ sva kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ [SB 1.2.17].\n[Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of Godhead, who is the Paramātmā [Supersoul] in everyone's heart and the benefactor of the truthful devotee, cleanses desire for material enjoyment from the heart of the devotee who has developed the urge to hear His messages, which are in themselves virtuous when properly heard and chanted.]\nThis chanting vibration is so nice that at least you become pious. Puṇya śravaṇa-kīrtana. Anyone who hears, he becomes purified. Puṇya śravana-kīrtana. \nHṛdy antaḥ sthaḥ: and the Supreme Lord, Paramātmā, Supersoul, is within you. As soon as you begin chanting, then hṛdy antaḥ stho hy abhadrāṇi. Abhadrāṇi means all dirty things that you have accumulated birth after birth, due to this material contamination... Hṛdy antaḥ stho hy abhadrāṇi vidhunoti. Vidhunoti. Vi means \"particularly,\" and dhunoti, \"washes.\" Suhṛt satām. Because He's always our friend. God is always our friend.\nWe do not know that. That is the difficulty. We have lost our friendship with God, and we are trying to make friendship with this and that, with this and that. That is the cause of disturbance in the world. They are trying for establishing peace in the world, but they do not know what is the method of establishing peace.\nThe method of establishing peace is described in the Bhagavad-gītā, suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ jñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchati.\nbhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ\nsarva-loka-maheśvaram\nsuhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ\njñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchati\n[Bg. 5.29]\n[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]\nIf you want śānti—śānti means peace—then you should simply understand that everything belongs to God. That's all. Actually it is. Nothing belongs to you. If you are intelligent, if you scrutinizingly study, everything belongs to God. Nothing belongs to me. Even this body does not belong to me. I have come with this body given by God, open-handed, without any asset. And I shall pass away from this world leaving this body open-handed.\nSo actually nothing belongs to me. It is simply māyā, illusion, that we are thinking, \"This is mine. This is mine. This is mine.\" This is the cause. Just like the Russians, they have occupied Czechoslovakia. They are thinking, \"It is mine.\" Or somebody is thinking, \"It is mine.\" This is the cause of. Because it is ignorance. But actually, everything belongs to God.\nIf this sense is spread all over the world—\"Nothing belongs to anyone but God, and we are all sons of God\"—that is the best communism. Everyone—animal, man, everything—everyone has got right to live. Everyone is God's son. And the whole property belongs to God. If this philosophy is taught, then there will be peace. Otherwise there is no question of peace.\nSo bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram [Bg. 5.29]. And suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānām. And He is the friend, the sinceremost friend, of everyone. Why not? If we are sons of God, who can love more than the father? Naturally, there is affection and love of the father towards children. Don't you find it, how He is providing? Even if we are diso...., , although we are disobedient, still, He is supplying all the necessities of our life.\nHe's supplying light, He's supplying water, He's supplying air—the essential necessities of your life. Without sunlight you cannot live. Without water you cannot live. So by grace of God, you are getting; still, you are so ungrateful that we do not remember God or offer our gratitude. That is the cause. This godless civilization is the cause of disturbing peace. Bhoktāraṁ sarva..., yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaraṁ suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānām.\nSo this bhakti process is to acknowledge the supremacy of God. He is the maintainer of everyone, as it is stated in the Vedic literature.\nnityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām\neko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān\n[Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]\n[The Supreme Lord is eternal and the living beings are eternal. The Supreme Lord is cognizant and the living beings are cognizant. The difference is that the Supreme Lord is supplying all the necessities of life for the many other living entities.]\nEko. Eko. That one, He's also living entity like you and me. Man is made after God. Therefore God has got two hands, two legs; therefore you have got two hands, two legs. Imitation. So that eko, that one, is the maintainer of these many so-called gods.\nWe are also gods in this sense, because we are part and parcel of God. Just like a particle of gold is also gold, but that does not mean that the particle of gold is equal to the gold mine. That is the real understanding of philosophy. We are gods, undoubtedly. In which way? Qualitatively. God is gold. Because we are part and parcel of God, therefore we are also gold. But He is big gold. He is the greatest gold. God is great.\nWe are smallest gold. And if we understand this philosophy, then we become naturally submissive and our constitutional position... And then our prayer as subordinate, submissive, it is very nicely placed, and God accepts, and then our lost friendship is reestablished.\nThat is the highest perfection of life. Caitanya Mahāprabhu preached this philosophy, prema pumārtho mahān [Caitanya-manjusa],\n[“The most important thing is how to love God.”]\nthat if you want success of your life, then try to achieve your lost loving relationship with God. Then your life is successful. If you want to have success otherwise, that is your defeat.\nThe Bhāgavata says, parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto [SB 5.5.5].\n[As long as one does not inquire about the spiritual values of life, one is defeated and subjected to miseries arising from ignorance. Be it sinful or pious, karma has its resultant actions. If a person is engaged in any kind of karma, his mind is called karmātmaka, colored with fruitive activity. As long as the mind is impure, consciousness is unclear, and as long as one is absorbed in fruitive activity, he has to accept a material body.]\nWe are all born ignorant. Unless there is ignorance, nobody takes birth in this material world. Anyone—maybe he is Brahmā or the smallest insignificant creature like a germ or an ant—everyone has got body, a particular type of body. So anyone who has got this material body, he is more or less sinful. That is the verdict. Without being sinful, we do not get this material body. And as soon as we are out of the influence of this material energy, sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate [Bg. 14.26].\n[One who engages in full devotional service, who does not fall down in any circumstance, at once transcends the modes of material nature and thus comes to the level of Brahman.]\nHow? Māṁ ca vyabhicāriṇi-bhakti-yogena. Simply by bhakti-yoga.\nSimply by engaging yourself cent per cent, without any deviation, in the devotional service of the Lord, you immediately become freedom, or liberation from this material bondage. And if you keep yourself in that position, then you are liberated in this life, and after leaving this body, you get your liberated body. That is mukti. Mukti means hitvā anyathā rūpam [SB 2.10.6]. \n[The merging of the living entity, along with his conditional living tendency, with the mystic lying down of the Mahā-Viṣṇu is called the winding up of the cosmic manifestation. Liberation is the permanent situation of the form of the living entity after he gives up the changeable gross and subtle material bodies.]\nMukti means when you give up your material contaminated life. Hitvā anyathā rūpaṁ sa guṇena avasthiti. To be, I mean to say, situated in the constitutional position, that is called mukti.\nSo our constitutional position is that God is great and we are small. And our position is that God is the Supreme and we are subordinate, and our business is to serve God. This is our position. We are serving, but instead of serving God, we are serving dog. That is the position. But service is there. So when you..., actually when we serve God, then we can serve everyone. Because that is real position. Just like if you love your father, then you can love your brothers also, because you know that \"If I don't love my brothers, then father will not be pleased.\" The center must be the father.\nSo without loving father, you cannot love your family members. Similarly, without loving God, you cannot love, exhibit love, in any way. You may advertise yourself universal brotherhood and so on, so on. This will be all failure, because the center is missing. The present defect is that the center is missing; therefore there is no peace in the world.\nSo we have to search out the center. What is that center?\nahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo\nmattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate\niti matvā bhajante māṁ\nbudhā bhāva-samanvitāḥ\n[Bg. 10.8]\n[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]\nOne who has searched out the center, Kṛṣṇa, that \"Here is the fountainhead of everything,\" iti matvā bhajante mām, the intelligent person engages himself in the service of the Supreme Lord, and thus he gets peace and prosperity of life.\nThank you very much. Any question?",
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"content": "\n Gopīs' surrender is the perfection of life. That is the highest perfectional stage of surrender. So that stage is very far, far away. First of all, learn to surrender; then you... Just like let us first of all enter into the school; then talk of M.A. examination. The gopīs' love is just like M.A. examination.\nSo people are not even schooling. First we have to surrender by the regulative principle, by the order of the spiritual master: \"You do this, you do that, you do this, you do that.\" Then gradually, ādau śraddhā, if you have got faith, then ādau śraddhā tataḥ sādhu-saṅga [Cc. Madhya 23.14]. \n[“’In the beginning there must be faith. Then one becomes interested in associating with pure devotees. Thereafter one is initiated by the spiritual master and executes the regulative principles under his orders. Thus one is freed from all unwanted habits and becomes firmly fixed in devotional service. Thereafter, one develops taste and attachment. This is the way of sādhana-bhakti, the execution of devotional service according to the regulative principles. Gradually emotions intensify, and finally there is an awakening of love. This is the gradual development of love of Godhead for the devotee interested in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.’]\nSādhu-saṅga means to associate with the bona fide spiritual master and abide by his order. Ādau śraddhā tataḥ sādhu-saṅga 'tha bhajana-kriyā. And as soon as you intimately associate with the spiritual master, he teaches you how to develop devotional service. Bhajana-kriyā. And if you are perfectly executing devotional service, then anartha-nivṛttiḥ syāt, then all your misgivings and misunderstanding will be cleared. Then niṣṭha, then you get firm faith.\nBeginning is the faith, but when your misgivings are all, I mean to say, eradicated, then the firm..., faith becomes firm. Tato niṣṭha tataḥ rucis. Then after firm faith, you come to the stage of taste: \"It is very nice, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" Tato niṣṭha tataḥ rucis tathāsakti, then attachment. Then you cannot leave. Then ecstasy. Then you come to the stage of gopī love.\nDon't try to come to the stage of gopī immediately. First of all, follow the rules and regulation. Gradually, when misgivings are all gone, you have got firm faith, attachment, ecstasy, then come to this stage. But the ideal is to come to that stage. Just like a student's ideal is to pass the M.A. examination. But that requires time and endeavor, patience. Not immediately.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n When we learn to love Kṛṣṇa, do we transcend goodness?",
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"content": "\n When we learn to love Kṛṣṇa, do we transcend goodness?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. Goodness is very good in this material world, but that is also a bondage. If I think, \"Oh, I am very learned man. I am very good man,\" that is also bondage. We have to go far above even goodness, which is called śuddha-sattva. Śuddha-sattva means pure goodness. Now here the sense of goodness, \"I am very good,\" this is mixed with the quality of passion. I am feeling proud of my goodness; therefore as soon as there is pride, it is mixed up with the quality of passion.\nSo therefore you'll find all the Vaiṣṇavas, they never think that he's very good. He thinks, \"Oh, I am the lowest. I am the most fallen.\" Caitanya-caritāmṛta says, \"If anyone recites My name, then all his pious activities immediately becomes vanquished.\" You see. This is the platform. Tṛṇād api sunīcena [Cc. Ādi 17.31]: always thinking very humble and meek.\n[“One who thinks himself lower than the grass, who is more tolerant than a tree, and who does not expect personal honor yet is always prepared to give all respect to others can very easily always chant the holy name of the Lord.”]\nThat is above goodness. If I think that I am very good, that is also material. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam [Cc. Madhya 19.170].\n[“’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nTo think very poor or think very rich or think very bad or think very good, they are all material qualifications. Simply think, \"I am the humble servant of the Supreme Lord.\" That is the, mean, unalloyed goodness.\nJanārdana? You can chant. And you can take khol. [end]",
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"content": "\n[taps microphone]\nīśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ\nsac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ\nanādir ādir govindaḥ\nsarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam\n[Cc Madhya 20.154]\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nSo Lord Caitanya has explained the particular features of Kṛṣṇa, and He's giving evidence from Brahma-saṁhitā and other authentic Vedic literatures. So we have concluded that Kṛṣṇa is the origin. Origin. There are many demigods, gods, and living entities, energies, millions and millions. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8].\n[The Supreme Lord has nothing to do. Nothing is equal to Him or greater than Him. He acts in different phases by manifesting His parts and parcels, which are all simultaneously differently situated by His unlimited, variegated potencies. Each potency acts quite naturally in sequences, providing Him full knowledge, power and pastimes.]\nThere is no estimate. But He is the origin of all. Just like in your New York City there are so many manifestation of electricity, but the origin is the powerhouse, similarly, He is the origin, powerhouse.\nSarvādi, sarvāṁśī. He is the whole, and everything is part. And He is always just like a young boy of sixteen years old. And His body is transcendental, spiritual, full of bliss, eternity, and He is the shelter of everything. On Him everything is resting, and sarveśvara, He is the Supreme Lord.\nsvayaṁ bhagavān kṛṣṇa, 'govinda' para nāma\nsarvaiśvarya-pūrṇa yāṅra goloka-nitya-dhāma\n[Cc Madhya 20.155]\n[The original Supreme Personality of Godhead is Kṛṣṇa. His original name is Govinda. He is full of all opulences, and His eternal abode is known as Goloka Vṛndāvana.]\nNow, that Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa... \"Kṛṣṇa\" is the original name of God, and \"Govinda\" is the qualitative name, transcendental qualitative. This Govinda, we have explained. Go means land, go means senses and go means... Land, senses...",
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"content": "\n Cow. Yes. This we have explained. And because He gives pleasure to all these things especially, cows and land and the senses, He is known as Govinda. Sarvaiśvarya-pūrṇa. He is full of all opulences.\nThere is definition of God in the Parāśara-sūtra. Parāśara Muni, the father of Vyāsadeva, he was a great sage. So he has given the definition of God. After consulting all Vedic literatures, he has given his..., delivered the definition of God. What is that? Sad-aiśvarya-pūrṇa: full of six opulences. And what are those six opulences? Aiśvaryasya samagrasya: \"He is the proprietor of all wealth, everything.\" So aiśvaryasya samagrasya vīryasya: \"He is the reservoir of all strength.\" Vīryasya yaśasaḥ śriyaḥ: \"And He is the supreme famous.\" Nobody can be more famous than Kṛṣṇa.\nAiśvaryasya samagrasya vīryasya yaśasaḥ śriyaḥ\n[Viṣṇu Purāṇa 6.5.47]. \n[Full wealth, strength, fame, beauty, knowledge and renunciation—these are the six opulences of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.]\nŚriyaḥ means beauty. Nobody can be more beautiful than Kṛṣṇa. And jñāna, knowledge. Nobody can be more knower and full of knowledge than Kṛṣṇa. And renunciation. And He is also, at the..., having so many opulences. He is renouncer of... He has nothing to do with all these things. He does not depend for His Godheadship on these qualifications. He is renouncer at the same time.\nSo here also Lord Caitanya substantiates that ṣaḍ-aiśvarya-pūrṇa: \"He's full of six opulences.\" Ṣaḍ-aiśvarya-pūrṇa yāṅra goloka-nitya-dhāma. Nitya-dhāma means He's homely. Homely. He's the proprietor of all land, but just like a king. A king is the proprietor of the whole state; still, he has got his personal residence, which is called palace, royal palace. So similarly, although Lord is the proprietor of everything, every land, every space, every, any, anywhere... This is the proprietorship of Lord, of God's.\nSo we are seeking after peace, but we do not know that where we are living. We are claiming proprietorship for the time being. We come here under different shapes, in different body, and claim proprietorship for the land where we are born. But we do not know by freaks of nature any second we can be driven away from this land and put another land. So where is my proprietorship? If I am staying for some time here, some time there... Bhojanaṁ yatra yatra śayanaṁ haṭṭa-mandire: \"I eat wherever eatables are available, and I sleep on the marketplace.\" Then where is my home? Where is my home?\nSo this is our position. We are circumambulating under..., in the cycle of birth and death. Sometimes I am claiming \"America is my land,\" sometimes claiming \"India is my land,\" sometimes claiming \"China is my land,\" sometimes claiming \"Moon planet is my land.\" No land belongs to you. Everything belongs to God. Īśāvāsyam idaṁ sarvam [Īśo mantra 1].\n[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]\nHe is the proprietor. Bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram [Bg 5.29].\n[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]\nThat misunderstanding... We are falsely encroaching upon and falsely claiming proprietorship. Therefore there is no peace. You are searching after peace. How can there be peace? You are falsely claiming something which does not belong to you. So here it is said, sarvaiśvarya-pūrṇa.\nSo every place belongs to God, but that Goloka Vṛndāvana, that place, is particularly His abode. You have seen the picture. It is lotuslike. All planets are round, but that supreme planet is lotuslike. So that is in the spiritual sky, Goloka Vṛndāvana. And from that spiritual planet... Just like the, from the sun planet, the sunshine is emanating profusely. Just like this sun is, is compared with the eye, eyes of the Lord. Not... One eye. Another eye, the moon. It is figuratively stated. Yac-cakṣur eṣa savitā sakala-grahāṇāṁ rājā samasta-sura-mūrtir aśeṣa-tejāḥ [Bs 5.52].\n[The sun who is the king of all the planets, full of infinite effulgence, the image of the good soul, is as the eye of this world. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda in pursuance of whose order the sun performs his journey mounting the wheel of time.]\nAśeṣa-tejāḥ, unlimited potency, sunlight, is coming from the sun. This material world, we can practically experience. But the sunlight is also emanating from that light which is emanating from that Goloka Vṛndāvana. That is the real light, which is called brahma-jyoti.\nSo in that brahma-jyoti there are innumerable spiritual planets also. So in the spiritual sky, in that spiritual light, in that spiritual planets, there are innumerable liberated living entities, and each, each and every planet, there is expansion of Lord Kṛṣṇa. They are named by different names.\n[break] Ṣaḍ-aiśvarya-pūrṇa yāṅra goloka-nitya-dhāma. So origin. He is the origin. His planet, Goloka Vṛndāvana, is the original planet, and from that planet, that brahma-jyoti, light, is coming. And in that light, everything is resting. And in an insignificant portion of that light, this material world is situated.\nIn that place there are innumerable universes as we are seeing one. And one of these universes, there are millions and billions of planets, of which this earth is only a insignificant fragment. And in that earth, the land of America, United States, is still insignificant. And in that state, New York is still insignificant. And in that New York City, this 26 Second Avenue insignificant. And we are sitting here. So just see how much insignificant we are. And we are claiming \"God.\" Do not know... Ṣaḍ-aiśvarya-pūrṇa. This is called ignorance. We do not know how much insignificant we are in the creation of God, and we are claiming \"God.\" This is called poor fund of knowledge. Poor fund of knowledge.\nNow Lord Caitanya says that... He's giving evidence from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is stated,\nete cāṁśa-kalāḥ puṁsaḥ\nkṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam\nindrāri-vyākulaṁ lokaṁ\nmṛḍayanti yuge yuge\n[Cc Madhya 20.156]\n[All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists.]\nNow, in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, perhaps in the Third Chapter in the First Canto, you'll find there is description of different incarnations, principal incarnations—not all the incarnations; principal, in different yugas. So in that list of incarnations you'll find Lord Kṛṣṇa's name also, Lord Rāma's name also, Lord Buddha's name also. Lord Buddha is mentioned in that list. So we Vaiṣṇavite, we respect Lord Buddha as incarnation. Incarnation.\nSo do not think that the Hindus, they have got disregard for Lord Buddha or for Lord Jesus Christ. No. They have all regard. Anyone who comes as representative of God, or as God, as powerful incarnation, they are all welcome. According to time, according to place, according to the audience, they may speak, speak something which is, which may be different from the Vedic conclusion, but they are accepted as powerful incarnation.\nSo in that list of incarnations, Kṛṣṇa's name is also there. But just to particularize Kṛṣṇa from all others, this verse is mentioned there. What is that? Ete. Ete means \"All this list of incarnations that we have seen or we are reading in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam...\" Ete ca aṁśa-kalāḥ puṁsaḥ. Puṁsaḥ means the Supreme Lord. \"The Supreme Lord's plenary portion or portion of the plenary portion...\" Just like the... I have several times mentioned in this room, that the original lamp... This is original lamp. And you kindle another candle, from that, another, from that, another, from... In that... Thousands and millions of candles you can light up, but the original is called the original.\nSimilarly, the original God is Kṛṣṇa. From Him, Baladeva, and from Him, Saṅkarṣaṇa, and from Saṅkarṣaṇa, then Nārāyaṇa, and Nārāyaṇa, then second Saṅkarṣaṇa, the second Saṅkarṣaṇa, puruṣa avatāra, then puruṣa avatāra, Mahā-Viṣṇu... You have seen the picture in the, what is called, title page of the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. The Mahā-Viṣṇu is lying in the, lying in the Causal Ocean, and in that Causal Ocean, from Mahā-Viṣṇu, from His breathing, millions and millions universes are coming out. And when He, when He breathes externally, the universes come out, and when He inhales, all the universes go into Him. You see? That Mahā-Viṣṇu.\nyasyaika-niśvasita-kālam athāvalambya\njīvanti loma-vilajā-jagad-aṇḍa-nāthāḥ\nviṣṇur mahān sa iha yasya kalā-viśeṣo\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs 5.48]\n[Brahmā and other lords of the mundane worlds, appearing from the pores of hair of Mahā-Viṣṇu, remain alive as long as the duration of one exhalation of the latter [Mahā-Viṣṇu]. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda of whose subjective personality Mahā-Viṣṇu is the portion of portion.]\nThat Viṣṇu, Maha-Viṣṇu, is the part, part, part, part, part, part of the part of the part of Kṛṣṇa, that Mahā-Viṣṇu. So they are called kalā.\nSo all these list... Bhāgavata is specifying about Kṛṣṇa. All this full list of God's incarnation... Either they are part, plenary part, or parts of the parts of the parts of the Supreme, but here, the name \"Kṛṣṇa,\" He's the original God. Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28]: \"The Supreme Personality of Godhead is Kṛṣṇa.\" That has been particularly pointed out in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, although there are list of many.\nSo, but, that Kṛṣṇa, although He is original, still, indrāri-vyākulaṁ lokaṁ mṛḍayanti yuge yuge [SB 1.3.28]. \n[All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists.]\nIndrāri. Indra. Indra is the king of heaven. And ari, ari means enemy. Just like the heavenly king and the Satan, conception of Satan. So when there is satanic influence over the kingdom of God, or the devotees, or the appointed demigods, they are disturbed by satanic influence, then Kṛṣṇa comes. Yadā yadā hi... That is stated, confirmed, in Bhagavad-gītā.\nyadā yadā hi dharmasya\nglānir bhavati bhārata\nabhyutthānam adharmasya\ntadātmānaṁ sṛjāmy aham\n[Bg 4.7]\n[Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself.]\nWhenever there is discrepancies in the discharge of natural laws of God, then God incarnates. Either He incarnates Himself, or He sends His bona fide representative, or He sends His powerful representative, like that. So whenever there is incarnation of God, it is to be understood that there is discrepancies in the matter of discharging the laws made by God. And the laws made by God is called dharma, dharma, or religion.\nSo religion, you cannot manufacture, I cannot manufacture. Just like there are so many religions now, manufactured by laymen. Oh, they are not religion. Dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19]:\n[Real religious principles are enacted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Although fully situated in the mode of goodness, even the great ṛṣis who occupy the topmost planets cannot ascertain the real religious principles, nor can the demigods or the leaders of Siddhaloka, to say nothing of the asuras, ordinary human beings, Vidyādharas and Cāraṇas.]\n\"Dharma means, religion means, which is made by God.\" Or His representative. Not by anyone. Not that you make a club or association, you manufacture some idea and it becomes religion. No. Dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bha... Therefore God incarnates.\nYadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati. Glānir means when there is discrepancies. In that law, which is given by God, when there is discrepancies and people are disturbed, especially the devotees are disturbed, when there is satanic influence, there is, devotees are very much disturbed. So paritrāṇāya sādhūnām [Bg 4.8].\n[In order to deliver the pious and to annihilate the miscreants, as well as to reestablish the principles of religion, I advent Myself millennium after millennium.]\nWhen incarnation comes, now, paritrāṇāya sādhūnām, the first business is to give protection to the devotees. There is no necessity of God's coming here to settle up things. There is no necessity. He has got omnipotential power. He can do without His presence. But when His devotees become very much disturbed, He comes personally. He comes personally, sends His representative. Paritrāṇāya sādhūnām. Sādhūnām means devotees.\nParitrāṇāya and vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām. And simultaneously, when He comes, all these miscreants, they are killed. They are annihilated. Vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām. Dharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya, and reestablishing the principle of religion. Yuge yuge sambhavāmi. The Lord says, \"I come in different millenniums.\"\nSo that is going on. There are innumerable universes, which you cannot estimate, and each of the universes, the Lord is incarnating Himself by one of His plenary portions. Kṛṣṇa is present in some of the universes even now. We do not know where is that universe, because we cannot see. What is information we have got? We do not know anything about this universe. We see so many stars in the night, so many sun, moon, but what do we know about them? Still, we are claiming that \"We are very powerful. We are very advanced in knowledge.\" This is our poor fund of knowledge. Anyone who is claiming that \"I am God\" or \"I am everything,\" he is a fool number one. Take it for... Immediately take as fool. What does he know?\nSo indrāri-vyākulaṁ lokam\n[SB 1.3.28].\n[All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists.]\nThere are many universes and many planets. So in either of them or each of them, some sort of incarnation is present there. Just like in government, in every department, there is a government representative. Just like in your city, your mayor, mayor is there. Or very responsible post, there is some director, there is... Similarly, indrāri-vyākulaṁ mṛḍayanti yuge yuge. Yuge yuge means different yugas.\nThe same example: Just like the sun. The sun is present everywhere. Just at this moment it is now eight, eight o'clock [a.m.] in New York. In India it is night; there is no sun. But here it is, sun present. Similarly, in your country also, if you go more farther eastern, western side, somewhere the sun is already there somewhere, somewhere the sun is not there. So similarly, the sun is there, but it is the particular time and place where people can see and cannot see. So Kṛṣṇa is there always, everywhere, but it is the power of seeing where Kṛṣṇa is or Kṛṣṇa is not.\nSo indrāri-vyākulam... He is, by His one plenary portion, He is in either of the all universes. So in this universe, when He comes... Just like when sun appears in your country it takes round of twenty-four hours, similarly, when Kṛṣṇa comes on this universe, it is only in one day of Brahmā, that is, some millions and millions of years after, He comes. He has got a scheduled time also, to appear in this universe. We get information from authentic scripture. Indrāri-vyākulaṁ lokaṁ mṛḍayanti yuge yuge.\nSo He is... Just like sun is rotating, or we are rotating, similarly, Kṛṣṇa is there. At a certain interval of time we see Him in this universe. He is present always, but at a certain interval... Just like the motorcar passes. It is going on. But when it is in front of my storefront, I can see. That's all. Not that because the motorcar has passed away, out of my sight, there is no motorcar. No. It has passed away from your sight. That's all. It is going on. It is going on. Similarly, incarnation, representation of Kṛṣṇa, is always going on. When we can see, then it is... Kṛṣṇa we can see. That is His omnipotency.\nNow to understand that Kṛṣṇa... Already said that bhakti, only devotional service, can help you in understanding that Supreme Kṛṣṇa.\njñāna, yoga, bhakti—tina sādhanera vaśe\nbrahma, ātmā, bhagavān-trividha prakāśe\n[Cc Madhya 20.157]\n[There are three kinds of spiritual processes for understanding the Absolute Truth—the processes of speculative knowledge, mystic yoga and bhakti-yoga. According to these three processes, the Absolute Truth is manifested as Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān.]\nThat same Kṛṣṇa, He manifests Himself before you in three different features. What is that? Paraṁ brahma. Brahman, impersonal Brahman; impersonal ātmā, Supersoul; and Bhagavān, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The same Kṛṣṇa. Actually Kṛṣṇa is everything. He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Godhead, and He is ātmā. He is situated as Paramātmā, the Supersoul, in everyone's heart. And He is Brahman. He is impersonal brahma-jyoti spreading everywhere.\nSo how the same thing is understood in different features? That is said, jñāna, yoga and bhakti. Those who are trying to understand the Supreme Absolute Truth through knowledge, they can go up to that impersonal Brahman. Those who are searching after the Supreme Absolute Truth through meditation, yoga, they can approach Kṛṣṇa up to His plenary portion, Paramātmā, or the Supersoul. And those who are pursuing the principles of devotional service, they can directly approach the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is everything. He is impersonal Brahman, He is localized Paramātmā, and He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead at the same time, but due to our different processes, different process of approach, somebody is realizing Him as the impersonal Brahman, somebody is realizing Him as the localized Paramātmā, Supersoul, and somebody is realizing Him, īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ, the most, supermost reservoir of all pleasures, Personality of Godhead, and associates with Him in different relationship and enjoys life, eternal life, blissful life and knowledge of full.\nThank you very much. [end]",
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"content": "\n …parama-guru, Śrī-Śrīmad Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī has discussed that this world is like a museum and you can understand it if you just consider it. If you know so many corridors of the museum, so many displays but one thing that we don't know very well is the curator or the proprietor of the museum. We sometimes become fascinated how intricately things are working but still that's so foolish, as to insult the curator by denying his existence. Anyway there are many observations that we could make to better understand our situation.\nSo I think I will try and set forward a few of these.\nOne thing is that we can notice the feature of motion in this existence all around us. So unless we consider motion apart from the even more deluding aspects of time. Motion can be seen in any natural body, take for example a ball. A ball has the tendency if it is not in motion to remain at rest and if this contacted by another mover or an entity in motion then that ball can begin to move.\nThere is a law in physics that was formulated by Newton. That a body at rest will remain at rest in the absence of contact with a body in motion. So some of us this becomes obvious, that we can understand the sequence of mover and the moved. Something that is at rest in order to begin to move it has to be touched by a mover. We can examine everything around us.\nFor example if we see a ball rolling down the street we can understand that the cause of that ball coming down the street is a bat and that bat is also being moved by a boy. So in this way we can understand the process of mover, the move and the movement like this. Now the sign[?] is the sequence of mover and the mover. mover[?] can't go on to infinity.\nThere has to be a first mover if there is no first mover there can be no first step in motion and this is being plainly false[?] you can see there is motion. The point is there has to be first mover and then there can be subsequent motion and this first mover everybody that can see[?] and understood as God.\nNow some people put forward the theory that motion can go on to infinity, mover mover movement movement like that. The confusion which results in from the fact that God is infinite. We could say that motion could go on to the infinite but it can't go on to infinity. There has to be the first mover or the whole thing is simply not being operated.\nAnyway there are many analysis that we can put like this and there are many examples which we can give. Just like many years ago I had a friend who was very fond of dominoes and he had a large selection of dominoes. So sometimes children stack these dominoes, they play dominoes with two inches. They stack them one inch apart and make a long, long chain of dominoes.\nFrom one room leading into another, then if you get at the end of that chain simply push on the first domino and that will knock the second domino, third domino. Like this. You can also be in the next room and round the corner and if someone had seen a chain of fallen dominoes.\nAnd this is something children sort of stare at, you know in awe of the impresidence but this is like this process of cause and effect and people if they have any sense of. If they have any intelligence to have some awe when they see this process of motion going on all around it. So much inexplicable[?] motion.\nAnyway the point behind all this again is that we should analyse how all this is taking place and not to be bewildered by it because we are caught up in the middle of this process and we have to have some understanding about what our position is. This analysis of motion is similar to another sort of analysis that we can make.\nThat is in the way that things are ordered and the way that so-called natural body. This natural body is a term that is used in philosophy meaning simply some material entity. Natural body which has no intelligence and acts repeatedly in the same way for achieving the same results.\nLike there are many examples here again, for example the large body of water, the ocean. Can be observed and as we see the water is evaporated from the ocean and by evaporation the water becomes pure. It is drawn up into the clouds and the clouds carry the water over the land. Then the clouds have the tendency to distribute this water especially on the high places like mountains and from there the water flows down in rivers and all living and non-living living entities are nourished by this water.\nThen again the dirty water flows into the ocean and is being purified again. So this process is going on everywhere and it goes on in the same sequence over and over and over again.\nNow the point is that supposedly something with that intelligence should not act for an intelligent ant[?]. Well that's all right but that means that then these non-intelligent things have to be manipulated by an entity with intelligence.\nAgain this entity is known everywhere as God. This conception that most people have of God is very shallow but there is really a tremendous subject matter to this. Well it is not that subject very nicely but a tremendous field for investigation. Anyway this should be the prime interest of the living entity because in the human form, human being is a kind of conscious being distinguished from so many other kinds of conscious beings.\nFor example we can see that a dog is conscious, he knows that he needs food, he knows that he needs to defend and so many things. Anyway the human being has consciousness which is obviously very much evolved. Then there in the middle of all this phenomenal museum it makes you wonder how things are being ordered and this is our duty to wonder and to make some positive investigation.\nThere is one particular display that I certainly. The other day. a few years ago I was involved in some sport called skin diving. So probably everybody knows in skin diving there is a apparatus called a scuba gear. Maybe you can picture some little so-called frog man blowing bubbles from down deep under the water.\nThe only link that he has with the living world at least his world is this little bottle of air and there are so many dangers and so many fearful aquatic animals. So many things which could finish him at any moment. Anyway this scuba means self-contained underwater breathing apparatus.\nNow the analogy here is that just like this breathing apparatus can keep a little man alive deep in the ocean similarly the process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness can keep a living entity alive deep in this ocean of ignorance because the whole world is sitting at the bottom of an ocean of forgetfulness and nescience. People don't have the consciousness to even wonder at what they are and what sort of situation this is.\nSo practically they are now dead people, they are sort of swimming around, their lungs are filled with water and they can never rise to the surface in that condition. So this self-contained underwater breathing apparatus. The idea struck me. I was thinking. I can pick up my. at least monitor[?] so I thought, \"Oh let me pick up my scuba gear and swim back to the temple.\"\nThe analogy is that people who are just living for Kṛṣṇa consciousness they can get the water out of their lungs and they can revive their consciousness and then they have every facility for rising to the surface of the ocean of ignorance and the material existence. The material existence is called ignorance because people are in the most precarious conditions and they take no note of it. For example we can see that any kind of thoughtlessness that at any moment this body which has been called by.\nAgain by Bhaktisiddhānta as a fleshing [?] by the naturalist entity. It can be mutilated at any moment by so many forces in nature. Some other living entity can have some malicious whim and put a bullet in it. So many things can cause and start. This sum[?] which is death is a tsunami which we all are awaiting and as long as we are waiting we should be very anxious to find out why we are associating with this condition.\nThis is a feature which we are respecting in this teaching of Kṛṣṇa consciousness because we are trying to get people to be serious about this opportunity of understanding this spiritual knowledge. So spiritual knowledge is substantial knowledge which can explain everything.\nSpiritual knowledge is sometimes called the science of God especially this Kṛṣṇa conscious philosophy is a very complete science of the absolute truth. If you ever say that the absolute truth is the source from which everything is emanating then we can. Going back to the authority of first God[?], we can at least try and understand that the absolute truth is the self-sufficient source from which everything is coming.\nThat means this material world is coming from the absolute truth. The material world is pictured as a perverted reflection, just like if I go to a riverbank you can see a tree which is upside down. That tree when looking in the river you can see the reflection but that's not the real tree. The real tree is standing above that reflection.\nSo similarly this material world which is limited by this condition of time which brings with it birth, disease, old age and death. The material world is compared to this downward tree with its roots upwards and the bank is down. The real tree this spiritual manifestation or the transcendental museum. Right now we are in this nasty old tsunami museum.\nSo by understanding very clearly the comparison of the description of this material nature and the spiritual nature then our original consciousness can be revived. This Kṛṣṇa consciousness is very practical because Kṛṣṇa is the actual eternal nomenclature of the absolute truth. Kṛṣṇa means all attractive and the absolute.\nHe is emanating everything, naturally He is attracting everything at the same time. He is the source of everything but He is full.\nSo sometimes we say that absolute mathematics is like this: 1+1=1 and 1-1=1. That means in the absolute sphere Kṛṣṇa is so full that it's inconceivable there is no limit to His potency. So He can emanate things like billions and billions of living entities, time and space, cause and effect.\nAll these things can be practically understood by a process descending from above. In other words, like we could be rescued from the bottom of the ocean by some man coming downwards with a breathing apparatus but we cannot rise from the bottom of the ocean with our lungs filled with water.\nSimilarly when we have completely forgotten what we are, when we have almost no consciousness for understanding of the absolute truth then the process of understanding is to accept the help of someone who is coming down. Who is bringing knowledge down to our level on the platform of absolute knowledge.\nSo we have all been very much favoured by our spirit. [indistinct] His Divine Grace Svāmī Bhaktivedanta. Now it is our business to try present this process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness to everyone. That would be doing to the best of our ability.\nBy now the mantra has become very famous but it is not always very well understood. For so many people know, \"Yes, Hare Krishna I know that.\" But they don't actually know it. There is so much to the teachings of Krishna Consciousness that it takes a very careful study with using the. Not using but trying to explain the Bhagavad-gītāwhich was spoken by Kṛṣṇa to Arjuna.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītāis a perfect condensed form, a dictionary for looking up the information on everything. On all the material existence, for understanding exactly what it is and why it is here.\nSo this process of chanting is one of the means recommended for making. it is essentially for making spiritual advancement. So we invite everybody to participate in this process by associating with us. With a Kṛṣṇa consciousness person by chanting, by trying to understand the philosophy, by taking prasādam and by being a little thoughtful, a little serious.\nA little bit anxious about making perfection of life. We cannot accept the rather foolish speculative theories that when this body is finished then we will also be. The 'I' of the identity within the body will be finished. Nobody is very much eager to die in fact people are often especially hankering that they could live forever but the mistake is in thinking that they should want to live forever in this sort of existence. Like if you don't know how.\nBut the main concentration of it is with this body, this material body. We tend to think this body is our self but with a little investigation we can see that the body is not ourselves. It is an extension but it is a temporary extension. Like when we were first born we didn't have a very developed mind still we can understand that I was there within this very tiny body.\nGradually the body evolved and the mind evolved but the central fact is that the 'I' which remained and now were hankering for some way to live eternally but we are forced to adopt this rather reckless attitude of saying that we don't really care whether I die or not.\nThis death is miserable, everybody knows it, sometimes people will come in and say, \"Why don't you prove that there is such a thing as the soul?\" Well there are two alternatives at this point: 1) if somebody says that to me I could kill him out right then he would know, \"Yes I have a soul.\"\nHe would feel a little bit sick, you know, about having to go through all this miserable thing again but the practical process is for him to sit down and rationally try and understand what he is. Everything is completely explained and simply by attentive listening we can revive our consciousness enough to understand it.\nAnyway this current theory which is very popular is that consciousness is a result of material combination and with the dissolution of this body this 'I' will also be dissolved. But usually in the beginning this doesn't answer anything because it is still a material combination that made this 'I'. Still at that point when the 'I' is formulated it is should be obvious that it is completely different from the material body.\nSo the 'I' that maybe appear to have been formulated but actually it appeared from some other dimension. It is just not there before and suddenly it is there so somebody is claiming 'I' this. 'I' think like this. So people are currently putting forward the theory that 'I' have come out of a material combination. There is no explanation for how the matter has combined or why even after estimating my defects. There is actually no answer to any question that anybody can ask the only reason that this sort of theory goes unchallenged is that people's brains are so dull by this actual brainwashing process.\nIt's just deputed their whole lives because the people in the material world are understood to be here because they have made a big mistake because they have chosen to miss-use their independence. Therefore from this understanding it should be clear that nobody should expect that you can be born into a society which full of all blissful knowledge.\nLike people are born and go to school here in America and they then think, \"Oh I understand everything and if I am miserable then I will have to go a psychiatrist who will, you know beat me on the head and tell me I am happy, when I am miserable.\" Then ultimately I'll be going for shock treatment or something like that or commit suicide.\nAnybody who is really thinking over these crazy [indistinct] which they had even though they have a dream like all of them they haven't got enough reality just now but still they happen. In this other tribe of mystics[?] so many miserable things happen. So many miserable people that we couldn't help they didn't know what to do. They just. So worries, suffering by now dead we don't know what happens to them.\nAt this point everybody should please be serious or make some profit out of this particular meeting to understand this very serious subject matter in which there is every possibility for getting some enlightenment. This should be the most coveted item, everybody wants some knowledge. Indirectly you can see that everybody wants to talk, talking is a most enjoyable thing, we always want to talk to someone, gossip, read newspapers, go to movies.\nAll this is they want to witness some kind of communication because the latent idea is they want to get some knowledge. They have a hankering for understanding what they are but their minds are so dull by this bad habits which have been impressed on them that they just can't make it.\nSo obviously the process of spiritual understanding, although anybody can pick it up. It will be a gradual process, in the beginning a person has to be a sincere. to desire to do something, to actually do something to contact reality to establish that reference point. First of all to understand what I am, just like there is a process of meditation described where the recommendation is that you think that 'I' am this hand.\nSo you think, \"Yes I am this hand.\" So if I cut my hand off where would 'I' be? 'I' wouldn't be in the hand any more the hand is not useful therefore I am not that hand. The hand is 'my' hand and 'my' distinction so if we consider like that. My foot, my leg, my. and [indistinct].\nSo there are some interesting statistics. there is enough statistic stuff. fact from the study of the brain trying to locate where is the mind and the conclusion is that the mind is not even contained in the brain and the theory was that the brain was generating some electricity and that's the mind and the mind was identical with the soul but there are so many cases.\nFor example of people who had brain surgery where they had huge portions of their brain removed and their consciousness was certainly not impaired at all. They had full memory and they proved normal just as before and even one sort of notable incident where one workman got a crowbar. They put right through his head but he was still living and he had the crowbar in his head and he went to the doctors and had it removed and a huge slice of a really cylinder of this fleshy stuff was taken out of his head and after that he was patched up and he still was living and everybody thought, \"Well he is still the same as before.\"\nBut these are freaks of nature but the point is that the soul is so potent that even in spite of so many damages inflicted on the material machinery of the body the soul can manage things. So we know so many stories like that, so we don't want to dwell on that, the point is that material science hasn't accepted what life is and where it's coming from, where it's centred. Even the greatest scientists have to go to the funeral parlour and see their friends lying there. The body is lying there but the friend has gone. So the deceased is laughing in the face of the scientists and he has to go back to his unreal ivory tower where he undergoes his science and investigates some more.\nThis process can go on endlessly and if anybody accepts this idea which is so popular that, \"I'll just go on doing whatever work I want and enjoy myself and that automatically everything will be solved. All the problems of life will be solved for me. I will be relieved of all trouble of making the effort.\"\nThat's not really a very good idea.\nSo please take this Krishna Consciousness Movement very seriously no matter what misrepresentations are circulating. That some people are very unchosen[?] [indistinct] and that they are sincere talking a great deal. So the point is that so much talk from [indistinct] going on that everybody who is sincere themselves they have to be looking out for themselves to understand what is actually the truth.\nSo we are offering therefore a opportunity so everybody can come and observe us very scientifically and experiment with us and try and get this benefit of Kṛṣṇa consciousness from us and enjoy it. At least make a solution to so many problems.\nSo are there any questions?\n[28:23]",
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"content": "\n Could you elaborate a little bit on the point of debate of Kṛṣṇa manifesting everything, and therefore He's attractive?\n Well, the point is, Kṛṣṇa is the fountainhead of everything—everything, what you can conceive and what you can't conceive. And that relationships stands for every entity. Therefore He is all-attractive, because He has everything.\n He's all-attractive because He is the source?\n Yes. Any desirable quality is perfect in Him; therefore He is all-attractive.\n[29:23]",
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"content": "\n How a man becomes attractive? First of all we have to understand that. Suppose a very rich man is attractive, a very intelligent man is attractive, a beautiful man is attractive, a famous man is attractive, a wise man is attractive, a renounced man is also attractive. These are attractive features. So if we analyze Kṛṣṇa, we find all these six opulences of attractive men fully present in Kṛṣṇa.\nSo even from historical references, there is not a single person who can be compared with Kṛṣṇa. Therefore He is all-attractive. And everything that we experience, that is the manifestation of Kṛṣṇa's energy. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śruyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8, Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport].\n[The Supreme Lord has multipotencies, which act so perfectly that all consciousness, strength and activity are being directed solely by His will.]\nHis energies are differently manifested. Similarly, in Viṣṇu Purāṇa also, it is said, parasya brahmaṇaḥ śaktis tathaiva akhilaṁ jagat [Viṣṇu Purāṇa 1.22.56]. \n[\"Whatever we see in this world is but an expansion of various energies of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is like a fire that spreads illumination for a long distance although it is situated in one place.\"]\nAkhilaṁ jagat means the whole cosmic manifestation is a display of the multi-energies of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So because He is fully energetic, therefore He is attractive and cause of all causes. These are the evidences of Vedic literatures.\nAnd when He was actually present, He was attractive in so many features. In the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra, when He was speaking the Bhagavad-gītā, the speech which He delivered, although He is not present now in our vision, you cannot find in the whole world such attractive speech of wisdom. Nobody can say.\nWhat we have got practical experience about His speech, which is still going on, still we are trying to understand. The greatest scholars of the world, the philosophers, they are trying to understand Bhagavad-gītā. There were many, many great scholars and saintly persons all over India, but each and every one of them have tried to understand Bhagavad-gītā. Even Professor Einstein, he was reading Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo His attractiveness is evidently presented by the wisdom of Bhagavad-gītā. So He is all-attractive. There is no doubt about it. And in the Vedic literature we also understand, tasmin vijñāte sarvam evaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3]:\n[If one can understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the controller of all controllers, one can understand everything else.]\n\"If you can understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead, or the Absolute Truth, then sarvam evaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati: you can understand everything, how it is working.\" Because everything is display of His energy. So if you can understand how His energy is acting, then you can understand the whole cosmic manifestation. That is explained in the Vedic literature.\nJust like in our presence we have got practical experience, the sun. The whole material world is maintained by sunlight. The planets are rotating by the heat of sunlight; the vegetation, the water, everything is being conducted by the sunlight. It is by scorching sunlight the water is evaporated from the sea.\nIt is formed into gas, cloud, and it is distributing all over the land. Then vegetation is coming, and it is becoming green, yellow, many colorful. So actually, the sun is the cause of all material manifestations. So if anyone can study what is sun, then he can understand how everything is appearing. That is practical.\nSimilarly, sun is also not ultimate cause. The ultimate cause is Kṛṣṇa.\nīśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ\nsac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ\nanādir ādir govindaḥ\nsarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam\n[Bs. 5.1]\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nSarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam means the cause of all causes. And the sun is described as the eye of Kṛṣṇa. Yac-cakṣur eṣa savitā sakala-grahāṇām.\nyac-cakṣur eṣa savitā sakala-grahāṇāṁ\nrājā samasta [sura-mūrtir] aśeṣa-tejaḥ\nyasyājñayā bhramati sambhṛta-kāla-cakro...\n[Bs. 5.52]\n[The sun who is the king of all the planets, full of infinite effulgence, the image of the good soul, is as the eye of this world. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda, in pursuance of whose order the sun performs his journey mounting the wheel of time.]\nThe sun is so powerful that it is the life of every planet. Without sunlight, nobody can see anything. We are very much proud of testing everything by seeing: \"I want to see.\" Now that seeing power is resting on the sunlight.\nWithout sunlight, your eyes are useless. Therefore sun is the eyes for all planets. All planets means all the residents of each and every planet. Yac-cakṣur eṣa savitā sakala-grahāṇāṁ rājā samasta-sura-mūrtiḥ. Therefore he is the king of all planets. These are described in Brahma-saṁhitā. \nAśeṣa-tejaḥ, unlimited potencies, or unlimited heat. There is no limit how much heat is there in the sun globe. So that sun also rotating. Yasyājñayā bhramati sambhṛta-kāla-cakro. That sun is also rotating under the guidance of Kṛṣṇa. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme. Govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi **.\nThe sun is rotating; it has got its orbit. It is rotating sixteen thousand miles per second. It is rotating. That you cannot deny. These are facts described. So somebody has arranged how the sun is rotating. Just like your sputnik rotates in the space by the scientist who is playing on the electronic machines in the laboratory, and the sputnik is rotating.\nSo why don't you think that the sun is also rotating under some guidance? How you can deny it? So that is explained in the Brahma-saṁhitā: yasyājñayā bhramati sambhṛta-kāla-cakro. It has also a lifetime duration. As soon as that lifetime duration is finished...\nNow, now, who gave him this lifetime duration, this movement? Just like Śrīman Gaurasundara began his speech that without pushing on, without being moved by somebody else, nothing can move. So He is also moving.\nYasyājñayā bhramati sambhṛta-kāla-cakro\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.52]\n[The sun who is the king of all the planets, full of infinite effulgence, the image of the good soul, is as the eye of this world. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda in pursuance of whose order the sun performs his journey mounting the wheel of time.].\nTherefore He is [indistinct]. We must know how He is acting. Simply by understanding the word \"Kṛṣṇa,\" you do not... We must know thoroughly how Kṛṣṇa is acting.\nThat is all explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. If we study Bhagavad-gītā very carefully, as it is, we can understand. Tasmin vijñāte sarvam eva vijñātaṁ bhavati [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3].\n[If one can understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the controller of all controllers, one can understand everything else.]\nIf you can simply understand the Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa philosophy, then you understand everything. It is so perfect.\n[break] ...question you can put. [break] Now, modern-days people are very much attracted by scientific knowledge. Oh, there is complete scientific knowledge in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So if you want to understand, even from scientific point of view, these boys will be able to answer you.\n[break] ...question, then chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.\n[40:31]\n[kīrtana] [end]",
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"content": "\n[translated into French throughout]\nThe original consciousness is that I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Just like at the present moment we are thinking, \"I am Frenchman,\" \"I am Englishman,\" \"I am Indian,\" \"I am American.\" Just like there are different consciousness, but the original consciousness is \"I am Kṛṣṇa's.\" So the present civilization is missing a very important point. They are accepting this body as the self, but actually this is not the fact. I am spirit soul. I am Brahman, or part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa.\nSo this Movement is reviving the original consciousness. And by missing this consciousness—\"I am the spirit soul\"—I am transmigrating from one body to another. Today I am a Frenchman, but tomorrow I may be something else. There are 8,400,000 species of life. I can… After quitting this body I can be transferred to any one of the species of life. That point we are missing. So this process is to get out of the designation. Just like I am spirit soul, but due to my this body, I am thinking I am Indian. So this designation has to be changed. Then we are purified.\nWe are engaged in some sort of service, every one of us, but that service is now being rendered within that designation. But when we are freed from the designation, when we are purified, then our service to Kṛṣṇa becomes bona fide, and that is the real standard of peace.\nSo this chanting process is purifying process to become freed from this designation. Just like all these boys, some of them coming from America, some of them from England, some of them from India, some of them from France or Germany, but they have forgotten that they are German or American or Indian or something else. They are always thinking, \"I am Kṛṣṇa's.\" This is freedom from designation.\nSo the peace formula as stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, it is said that when one understands that Kṛṣṇa, the Absolute Truth, Supreme Personality, is the supreme enjoyer, He is the supreme proprietor and He is the supreme friend, if we understand these three items, then there is peace immediately.\nThe original Sanskrit words in this connection are as follows:\nbhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ\nsarva-loka-maheśvaram\nsuhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ\njñātvā māṁśāntim ṛcchati\n[Bg. 5.29]\nThis śāntim means peace. Actual peace can be achieved when one understands these three things only—Kṛṣṇa the supreme enjoyer, Kṛṣṇa the supreme proprietor and Kṛṣṇa the supreme friend.\nSo we are teaching these three things to the world. That is our business. And the process is very simple. The process is simply chanting this Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. If we continue chanting, it has got some spiritual value; then we cleanse our heart from all dirty things. Except Kṛṣṇa consciousness, any other consciousness is dirty—that is material, contaminated consciousness.\nSo by chanting this mantra… Just like in India, still there are many snake charmers. They, by chanting mantra, they cure snake-bitten cases, although they're fatal. Of course they are now dwindling, but there are still. So if it is possible materially, then spiritually there is great possibility. And it is recommended in the śāstras, and actually it has happened.\nBy chanting this mantra, simple mantra, without any education, without any philosophical knowledge, simply if we chant, your heart will be cleansed of all dirty things and you'll understand that you are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, and you will understand that He is the supreme enjoyer, He is the supreme proprietor and He is the supreme friend. And as soon as you understand these three things, you are in peace.\nThis word man, man means mind. Man-tra—tra means deliverance. So mantra means which delivers from our mental platform. Every one of us are now hovering either on the bodily platform or on the mental platform, subtle. Mental platform is subtle, and bodily platform is gross. But beyond this mind there is intelligence, and beyond intelligence there is soul. So by this mantra we, I mean to say, cross over the mental platform, intellectual platform, and come directly to the spiritual platform. And as soon as we come to the spiritual platform and we understand our relationship with Kṛṣṇa, or God, then we are in peace.\n[Prabhupāda explains to the translator: \"Delivered from the mental platform.\"] I think this is the explanation. Now if there is question.",
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"content": "\n [translating questions from audience for Prabhupāda] You said that there's 8,400,000 species of living entities. He would like to have an explanation of it.",
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"content": "\nYes. Jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi [Padma Purāṇa]. There are nine lakhs. Nine lakhs means..., ten millions, one lakh?\nŚyāmasundara\n:\n Nine hundred thousand.\nNine hundred… Yes. Nine hundred thousand species in the water. Aquatic animals, yes. Nine hundred thousand aquatic animals, jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi. Sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati—sthāvarā means the trees, plants which cannot move, they stand up; they are twenty hundred thousand. Sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati. Kṛmayo rudra-saṅkhyakāḥ. Kṛmayo means insects. They are eleven hundred thousand species.\nThen after insect life there is birds, pakṣiṇāṁ daśa-lakṣaṇam—there are ten hundred thousand species of life, birds. Birds. Then there are beasts, thirty hundred thousands of beasts. And there are four hundred thousand species of human beings, out of which the civilized form of human being are very few.\nAnd this civilized form of life is especially meant for self-realization. This is a chance given by the nature to understand yourself. But if we don't understand—miss this point—again we go into the cycle of different species of life.\nJust we can imagine if we get next life like a tree, we have to stand up for ten thousands of years. So we should be very careful not to miss this opportunity of getting civilized form of life, and try to understand what I am. All the śāstras, Vedas, they are meant for human being, not for the cats and dogs. If you don't take advantage of this great knowledge, then you are following the suicidal policy.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n [translated] What do you mean by 400,000 forms of human beings?",
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"content": "\n Yes, there are so many species of human beings—in the jungles, uncivilized. Gradually they come to the civilized form. Not that every human being is complete in knowledge. There are so many species of human being, they are not in knowledge; they are in the darkness.\nTherefore according to Vedic civilization there are four divisions. The most intelligent class of men, they are called brāhmaṇas; and the next intelligent class of men are called the kṣatriyas; and next the vaiśyas; the next, śūdras; and all others, they are caṇḍālas. This is according to the knowledge, advancement of spiritual knowledge, this division.\n[break] But everyone can be elevated to the platform of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Nobody is barred or checked from…, for coming to the highest position. And this process, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, is to bring everyone to the highest platform of understanding.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā it is said,\nmāṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya\nye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ\nstriyo śūdrā tathā vaiśyās\nte 'pi yānti parāṁ gatim\n[Bg. 9.32]\nKṛṣṇa says that anyone can come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and thus elevated to the highest perfection of life. So it is the duty of persons, especially that is ordered by Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu that Indians, they should purify first their life and then distribute this knowledge, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, all over the world.",
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"content": "\n [translated] What is our position in relation to…, our spiritualism, in relation to Christian monks and Christian spiritualism, and how is it generally, the relationship between them?",
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"content": "\nYes. Christian religion teaches that God consciousness. Lord Jesus Christ preached God consciousness. He represented himself as son of God. So we agree to this principle. There is no controversy. Yes. Anyone who teaches God consciousness, we agree with the principle. Muhammad also, he preached God consciousness. So we welcome. There maybe some difference of process—that does not matter—but we test a religion by the results how people are becoming God conscious, that's all.\nAccording to Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is said,\nsa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo\nyato bhaktir adhokṣaje\nahaituky apratihatā\nyayātmā suprasīdati\n[SB 1.2.6]\nIt is said that that is first-class religious principle which teaches devotion to the Supreme Lord without any motive and without being hampered by any material condition. God consciousness is not such a thing that if a man is materially poor he cannot advance. Everyone can advance. Nothing material can check God consciousness, and any religion which teaches this principle, that is first class.",
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"content": "\n [translated] Do you think that the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement has anything particular to say to the society today?",
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"content": "\nYes. We are saying that—I began—that unless you come to the point of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you cannot be happy. Kṛṣṇa…, when I say \"Kṛṣṇa\" it means God, God consciousness. You may say in another name; that does not matter. When I speak of Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa means God, the Supreme Lord.\nSo unless we are conscious of the Supreme Lord… In other religions they say \"God is great,\" but how God is great? What is the name of God, and what other things? Just like if we know somebody, we must know very particularly what is his name, where is his residence, what does he do—so many things. Simply an idea of God is great, that is good, but how great He is, that is a science. That we have to learn from Vedic literature.\n[break] …malinterpretation. Then we can understand the science of God very clearly. So we are teaching our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement on the basis of Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. [break]",
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"content": "\n [translated] One thing we're doing... We should think of people are very confusing in the idea of reincarnation. So how can you say that human intelligence and..., a human being and human intelligence can reincarnate in a vegetable form or an animal form?",
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"content": "\n Well, all these description of different types of living entities… They are living entities; they have got simply different form. Just like we are sitting, so many ladies and gentlemen, we have got different dresses, but we are all human being. Similarly, all these description of species of life, they are all spiritual sparks, but according to their karma they have got different bodies.\nSome of them are trees, some of them are aquatics, some of them are human beings, some of them are greater than them, some of them lower than them. So there are innumerable, uncountable different types of living entities, and they are having their different bodies according to the mentality at the time of death.\nThis is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nyaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran loke\ntyajaty ante kalevaram\n[Bg. 8.6]\nAt the time of death, the subtle mentality which you develop, it is just like the air carries the flavor; similarly, that mental idea is being carried by the subtle mind, intelligence, and you are given chance of a particular body by which you can enjoy that mental position.\nSo unfortunately, although it is a great science, throughout the whole world there are so many universities, they are neglecting this science. That is the defect of modern civilization. The transmigration of the soul, it is a great science, but because they cannot tackle this matter, they will avoid it. That's a great risky civilization. That's all.\nSo the higher intelligence of human being is especially given to understand this science. But they are neglecting this science. They are busy with eating, sleeping, mating and defending, which is the business of the animals—they are also busy with eating, sleeping, mating and defending.",
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"content": "\n [translated] What is the ideal of the…, ideal result of the transmigration of the spirit soul?",
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"content": "\n The idea is to save yourself. Suppose I am now very happy Frenchman, but if next life I get another life, degraded life, then what is my position? Therefore one should understand; one should prepare his next body in this life. Just like a student studies very carefully to prepare his next life, similarly, this human form of life should be prepared to get next life.\nNext life, permanent life, that is possible. Permanent life—if you transfer yourself in the spiritual world, you get permanent life, full of knowledge, sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha: eternal life full of knowledge, full of pleasure, full of bliss. You should try for this. Human life is meant for that purpose; otherwise you are missing the chance.",
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"content": "\n [translated] Should we do this with material support or without material support?",
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"content": "\n No. It has nothing to do with material support. Without any material support one can execute Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n [translated] Therefore there exist a class of superior beings, spiritual, who are existing.",
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"content": "\n [translated] He's saying maybe this is what the Christians call angels.",
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"content": "\n Yes. As soon as you become God conscious, that is the position of angel. This is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā—the exact verse is like this:\nmāṁ ca vyabhicāreṇa\nbhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate\nsa guṇān samatītyaitān\nbrahma-bhūyāya kalpate\n[Bg. 14.26]\nThis brahma-bhūyāya means angels. They are not in this material world; they are transcendentally situated. Brahma-bhūyāya kalpate—anyone who is engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, in devotional service,\nmāṁ ca vyabhicāreṇa\nbhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate\nsa guṇān sama...\nHe is above the three modes of material nature. Angel means those who are not affected by the modes of material nature. That is the position of angel.\nThe example can be given, just like in any state there are two department—civil department, criminal department. Those who are not criminals, they are not under the control of the criminal department. Similarly, those who are Kṛṣṇa conscious, they are not controlled by the modes of material nature.\nSo those who are not criminal, they are not controlled by the criminal department. So therefore, although the material nature, the laws are very stringent, still those who are Kṛṣṇa conscious, for them there is no such thing as law.\n[break] ...in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nmām eva ye prapadyante\nmāyām etāṁ taranti te\n[Bg. 7.14]\n\"Those who are surrendered to Me, they have already transcended the position of being controlled by material nature.\"",
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"content": "\n [translated] Can you explain why this Kṛṣṇa consciousness has so much success among young people [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n Not only young people. Old men are reluctant, and they are easily taken. If old men take, they will be also successful. It is not restricted to the younger generation—to everyone. But the younger generation, they are receptive; they are blank slate. The old men, they have got so many hodgepodge in their mind; therefore they cannot take easily. That is the difficulty. They have to forget all hodgepodge things, then they have to take. So the process of forgetting is there, but here they are new heart, and they see very nice thing, they accept it.\nSo anyone can take it, and anyone will be benefited. There is no such thing that it is meant for such-and-such class of men. No. There is no such thing.",
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"content": "\n [translated] These young people... The second question was: These young people have come searching. And why are they searching? Why are these young people searching?",
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"content": "\n Well, they are searching because they are frustrated by seeing their parents' life, by their guardians' life. They are frustrated. So that is a good sign. One who is frustrated, he can take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness very quickly. I was just coming from Moscow. There are many young Russians, they are also very much prepared to take to this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But there is so many restriction. We cannot preach very freely; that is our position.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is now experimented that this movement can be accepted by anyone, any part of the world, and whoever takes it, he will be happy. That's all.\n[aside:] That gentleman, he wants...",
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"content": "\n His idea is to surrender unto Kṛṣṇa. Punaḥ punaḥ means \"again and again,\" and that we are preaching. And Kṛṣṇa also is speaking the same thing. Kṛṣṇa says, \"Surrender unto Me.\"\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\nAnd we are teaching that \"You surrender to Kṛṣṇa.\" Therefore in one sense we are representative of Kṛṣṇa. Just try to understand: Kṛṣṇa says, \"Surrender unto Me.\" We also say, \"Surrender unto Kṛṣṇa.\" So there is no change of words. But anyone who changes the word, he is not representative.\nJust like if somebody says… Suppose I say, \"Give me a glass of water.\" And if my disciple says, \"Give a glass of water to Prabhupāda,\" the order is the same. But if somebody says that this Prabhupāda's words, \"Give me a glass…,\" \"me\" can be changed to \"milk,\" that is bogus. That is going on. It should be…, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement should be strictly on the principles of Kṛṣṇa's desire.\nThat was executed by Arjuna. He changed his own principle for the satisfaction of Kṛṣṇa. He did not want to fight; therefore Bhagavad-gītā was explained to him, and later on, when Kṛṣṇa enquired, \"What you have decided?\" he said, kariṣye vacanaṁ tava [Bg. 18.73]: \"Yes, I shall now fight.\" This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. One has to change his concocted ideas and surrender to Kṛṣṇa. That will benefit; otherwise not.",
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"content": "\n [translated] Are there other names than Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n Yes, there are many thousands and millions of names, but \"Kṛṣṇa\" is the chief name. [break]",
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"content": "\n Yes, all of us living representative of Kṛṣṇa, because we are speaking what Kṛṣṇa says. Don't you understand? Kṛṣṇa says, \"Surrender unto Me,\" and we are saying, \"Surrender unto Kṛṣṇa.\" Therefore we are representative. I will give you one example. Just like a businessman sends his representative to sell some particular thing, and the canvasser says, \"Please purchase this thing.\"\nTherefore he is real representative. We don't say that \"Surrender to Kṛṣṇa\" or \"Surrender to somebody else\" is the same. No. We don't say like that. And how…, why we say that, we can support. That is our position. Therefore we are representative of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n [asks Prabhupāda to explain what he said]",
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"content": "\nIf somebody says \"Why you are asking to surrender to Kṛṣṇa,\" then that we can explain that. We have explained how to surrender to Kṛṣṇa in twelve voluminous books, four hundred pages each. So if anyone wants to understand full philosophy, science, why one should surrender to Kṛṣṇa, there are so many books. But if somebody is fortunate, he can accept our word and surrender to Kṛṣṇa by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. It is easy and sublime.",
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"content": "\n It is the only process how to love humanity. It is the only process. When Rupa Goswami met Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu, he designated Him namo mahā-vadānyāya [Cc. Madhya 19.53]: \"The greatest benefactor,\" kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te, \"by Your distributing Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\" So to distribute Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the greatest welfare activity in the whole human society.",
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"content": "\n [translated] Does that mean you can have children but not be married?",
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"content": "\n[laughter] No, no, no. [laughs] No, no, no. Bachelor, that is not a wanted. Bachelor, that is not wanted. Children must be bona fide; otherwise they will be called varṇa-saṅkaraḥ. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, when there are varṇa-saṅkara, illegitimate children, the whole world becomes hellish.",
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"content": "\n [translated] He would like to know the means that we use every day, practical means that we use to attract people to our Movement.",
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"content": "\n Yes. We do our own duty, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. Those who are kindly attracted we welcome; otherwise we go on doing our duty.",
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"content": "\n What is the difference between our teaching and the teachings of Maharishi?",
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"content": "\n This age is called, according to the Vedic language, Kali. Kali-yuga means the age of disagreement and dissension. So in the Vedas it is recommended that kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇu [SB 12.3.52]. \n[Whatever result was obtained in Satya-yuga by meditating on Viṣṇu, in Tretā-yuga by performing sacrifices, and in Dvāpara-yuga by serving the Lord's lotus feet can be obtained in Kali-yuga simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra.]\nIn the Golden Age... Of course, the kṛte, the Sanskrit word, exactly there is no English translation, but generally we have got a conception of Golden Age. So take it for granted that kṛte, kṛte means in the age when everyone was pure. Cent percent people were pure. That is called Kṛta-yuga. The next yuga is called Tretā, when seventy-five percent of the people, they were pure, and twenty-five percent were not pure. And then Dvāpara. Dvāpara means fifty percent—fifty percent pure and fifty percent nonpure.\nThen this age is called Kali-yuga. Kali-yuga means seventy-five percent or more than seventy-five percent, they are impure, and twenty-five percent—I mean to say, that is in books—but actually ninety percent or more than that are impure and maybe five percent pure. This is the situation of this age. And they are also living very short time. In this age, life, duration of life, is reduced, memory is reduced, man's compassion is also reduced.\nSimilarly, there are so many things, they are reduced. Although we are thinking that we are advancing, but actually the most important thing we are reduced. Take for example the duration of life. Every one of us knowing very well that as your father or forefather or grandfather lived for long duration of life, it is very difficult to find out a man who is over seventy years or eighty years. I have got experience. My grandmother lived for ninety-five years.\nSo the duration of age is reduced, and people are not very intelligent. Of course, it is very revolutionary that I am speaking that people are not very intelligent, but actually it is. Why they are not intelligent? Because they do not know what is the destination of life; therefore they are not very intelligent. The Bhāgavata says that destination of life is God-realization. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇu [SB 7.5.31]. God-realization.\n[Persons who are strongly entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is to return home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Viṣṇu. As blind men guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, materially attached men led by another materially attached man are bound by the ropes of fruitive labor, which are made of very strong cords, and they continue again and again in materialistic life, suffering the threefold miseries.]\nIn this human form of life we can realize what is God. It is not possible in other form of life. There are 8,400,000 forms of life. You have seen it. There are trees, there are aquatics, there are germs, reptiles, then birds, then beasts, then human beings. Out of this human form of life, more than fifty percent they are uncivilized, and maybe twenty-five percent of the human beings, they are civilized. And out of them, maybe ten percent are believing in God, following religious principles. In this way the whole thing is being reduced.\nSo in the Bhāgavata it is said that not only they are living for short duration of life, they are not intelligent enough that this human form of life is meant for God-realization. Now, especially nowadays amongst the educated circle, they inquire, \"What is God? What is God?\" You see.\nBut apart from your country or Western countries, in... I have met in many, many large gatherings of universities. Especially, I am very sorry to say, many Indian students ask me that \"What is God?\" Now, India is supposed to be the place where God descends as Lord Kṛṣṇa, as Lord Rāmacandra, Caitanya Mahāprabhu. So it is very surprising that Indian students are asking, \"What is God?\"\nSo this is lamentable in this sense, that people are reducing in their sense of spiritual realization. That is a very regrettable fact. And the Bhāgavata says, parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam [SB 5.5.5]\n[As long as one does not inquire about the spiritual values of life, one is defeated and subjected to miseries arising from ignorance. Be it sinful or pious, karma has its resultant actions. If a person is engaged in any kind of karma, his mind is called karmātmaka, colored with fruitive activity. As long as the mind is impure, consciousness is unclear, and as long as one is absorbed in fruitive activity, he has to accept a material body.]\n\"A man is supposed to be defeated in all his activities if he does not inquire what he is.\" This statement is also in Bible, you know, that \"If one loses his own self and he gains all material prosperity, what does he gain?\" Actually, this is the fact.\nTherefore Lord Caitanya, five hundred years ago, He appeared in Bengal and He introduced this movement, saṅkīrtana movement—not whimsically, but according to the tenets of Vedic literature, where it is stated that kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇum [SB 12.3.52]. \n[Whatever result was obtained in Satya-yuga by meditating on Viṣṇu, in Tretā-yuga by performing sacrifices, and in Dvāpara-yuga by serving the Lord's lotus feet can be obtained in Kali-yuga simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra.]\nIn the Golden Age it was possible to realize God by meditation, when people were all cent percent pure. Then tretāyāṁ yajato makhaiḥ: \"And in next age, God-realization was by offering great sacrifices.\" And dvāpare paricaryāyām: \"And the next age, by temple worship or church worship or mosque worship.\"\nNow, at this present age, kalau tad dhari-kīrtanāt, \"In this age, simply by chanting the glories of the holy name of God.\" This was introduced by Lord Caitanya. And in India there are millions and millions people who follow this principle, and it may be a new thing in your country, but it is very easy and, I mean to say, authorized and immediately realizable.\nIf you follow this one principle, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare... There are sixteen names: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Actually, there are three names only—Hare, Kṛṣṇa and Rāma—but they are very nicely, systematically assorted in sixteen names, and it is very easy to chant. Just this evening one American child, girl, she was cycling in the street, and one of my student, she asked her to chant: \"You chant Hare Kṛṣṇa,\" and she was very nicely chanting.\nSo it was... It is not very difficult. Because it is composed in Sanskrit words, it does not mean that you cannot chant. We have experimented. Now, I ask my students... They are all American boys and girls. None of them are Indians or Hindus. Not only here in Boston, but in many other cities like New York and San Francisco, Los Angeles, Buffalo, Santa Fe, Montreal, so they are very nicely chanting and enjoying.\nNot only that, I have got some restriction. The student who comes to me for initiation, I ask them to restrict some habits. So they are easily doing that also. Just like I ask them not to indulge in any intoxication, including smoking, tea-taking, coffee-taking. So they are following. And I ask them not to eat meat. These things are very usual things in your country, but my students, they are very easily following. They don't feel any difficulty.\nSo this formula, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare, this sound vibration, you can practice it. It is not difficult. There is no secret. I don't say that \"I have got a secret mantra which I shall give you, and you pay me fifty dollars\" or like that. It is open secret. You have simply to accept it, kindly. Then you see the result. There is no loss on your part, but the gain is very great. Why don't you try it?\nI request you, most humbly I request you, that you kindly chant these sixteen names—Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. We have got our records also. If you want to practice, you can play the record and it will be very easy. So this is my humble request to you American ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. It is not difficult, but it has got a sublime effect. You will find it. If you practice it, you will find it.\nSo if you think that \"Why we shall chant 'Kṛṣṇa'? Kṛṣṇa was Indian, and it is Hindu god's name,\" but that is not a fact. Kṛṣṇa never claimed that He is Hindu or Indian or black or white. He doesn't claim anything. He says... Most of you have read Bhagavad-gītā. He says, He claims,\nsarva-yoniṣu kaunteya\nsambhavanti mūrtayo yāḥ\ntāsāṁ yonir mahad-brahma\nahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā\n[Bg. 14.4]\n[It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kuntī, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father.]\nSarva-yoniṣu: \"In all species of life, in all forms of life...\" There are 8,400,000 forms of life. So Kṛṣṇa claims that \"All forms of life, not only human being—the beast, the birds, the aquatics, the, I mean to say, reptiles—everywhere, wherever there is life, therefore, their mother is this material nature, and I am the seed-giving father.\"\nSo Kṛṣṇa claims everyone's father. So He is neither Indian nor Hindu. He is—we accept Him according to Bhagavad-gītā—He is God Himself. Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28]. \n[All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists.]\nIf we take authorities of Vedic literature, it is stated in all Vedic literature—in Ṛg Veda, in Atharva Veda, in Brahma-saṁhitā, in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, and what to speak of Bhagavad-gītā. Bhagavad-gītā is spoken by Lord Kṛṣṇa Himself. He says, mattaḥ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya. Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7].\n[O conqueror of wealth [Arjuna], there is no Truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.]\nahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo\nmattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate\niti matvā bhajante māṁ\ndhīra bhāva-samanvitāḥ\n[Bg. 10.8]\n[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]\nSo He claims that He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and He exhibited, He manifested Himself, as the supreme independent Personality of Godhead. If we read His activities from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, then we can see.\nSo there is a definition of God also in Vedic literature. A great sage, the father of Vyāsadeva, Parāśara Muni, he has very nicely defined what is meant by God, and all the symptoms were visible in the person of Lord Kṛṣṇa. And according to our Indian..., Vedic culture, all the great ācāryas, just like Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya, Viṣṇu Svāmī, Nimbārka, even Śaṅkarācārya.\nŚaṅkarācārya is considered to be impersonalist, that He believes in impersonal Brahman. So impersonal Brahman is mentioned in all Vedic literature. We also know that. But beyond impersonal Brahman there is Supersoul realization, and beyond Supersoul realization there is the personal realization, the Supreme Personality of God.\nBhāgavata says that vadanti tat tattva-vidas tattvam [SB 1.2.11]\n[Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān.]\n\"The Absolute knowledge, the Absolute Truth, is nondual.\" How it is nondual? That brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate. You either you realize the Absolute Truth as impersonal Brahman or localized Paramātmā, Supersoul, or as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa or Viṣṇu; they are one and the same. How one and the same? That is also explained.\nSo God realization, it is said in the Vedic literature, that avāṅ-manasā-gocaraḥ. It is very difficult to realize God. He is beyond our mental speculational field, or He is beyond our conception, beyond our words. But there is other verses also, that athāpi te deva padāmbuja-dvaya-prasāda-leśānugṛhīta eva hi, jānāti tattvam [SB 10.14.29]. \n[My Lord, if one is favored by even a slight trace of the mercy of Your lotus feet, he can understand the greatness of Your personality. But those who speculate to understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead are unable to know You, even though they continue to study the Vedas for many years.]\nOne can understand what is God by the mercy of God, not by mental speculation. It is not possible. We have got very limited scope of knowledge. Our senses are imperfect, we are full of cheating propensities, and we are liable to commit mistake. These four defects are within us.\nHowever a great man one may be, he is sure to commit mistake. I shall give you one tangible example in the life of Mahatma Gandhi. You know he was a very great man, political leader in India. So he was also very God-fearing man, a very nice soul. But he also committed mistakes so many times.\nSo to err is human. This is a fact in every person. Therefore, because we commit mistake, because we are sometimes illusioned, and because we have got a propensity of cheating others, and because our senses are imperfect, therefore, simply by mental speculation it is not possible to realize God.\nThen how one can realize God? That is mentioned in the Bhagavad-gītā and other literature, that by the mercy of God one can realize God. So by His causeless mercy, He comes down. Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati bhārata [Bg. 4.7], it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā.\n[Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion-at that time I descend Myself.]\nSo Lord Kṛṣṇa is accepted as the Supreme Personality of Godhead at least by the great ācāryas of India. Even, as I was speaking of Śaṅkarācārya, he was impersonalist,but still he has admitted in his commentary on Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam that sa kṛṣṇa bhagavān svayam. He has accepted it.\nIn the beginning of his commentary he says, nārāyaṇaḥ para avyaktāt: \"Nārāyaṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is beyond this material creation.\" And in next page he has admitted, \"That Supreme Personality of Godhead Nārāyaṇa is Kṛṣṇa, who is born as the son of Devakī and Vasudeva.\"\nSo, so far Indian scholars... I don't speak of modern scholars. Those who are authorized scholars of bygone ages, admitted by the Vedic society—Śaṅkarācārya, Rāmānujācārya and Viṣṇu Svāmī, Nimbārka and their followers. And there are many hundreds and thousand temples of Kṛṣṇa, Viṣṇu, in India. If you have ever gone, you might have seen.\nIn Vṛndāvana, only a small city of fifty thousand people, there are five thousand Kṛṣṇa temple. So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is very strong and very old in India. And if you also accept this, without any loss on your part, you will be happy. You will be happy. That is the process of peace.\nNow, in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said,\nbhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ\nsarva-loka-maheśvaram\nsuhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ\njñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchati\n[Bg. 5.29]\n[The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, attain peace from the pangs of material miseries.]\n\"The śānti, peace, real peace, can be achieved simply by understanding that God is the proprietor and God is the enjoyer of everything—that conception.\" Bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka-maheśvaram. And suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānām: \"And He is the friend, most intimate friend, well-wisher friend of everyone.\" And He is seated with everyone's heart. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati. [Bg. 18.61]\n[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]\n\"My dear Arjuna, the Supreme Lord is seated with every living entity.\"\nSo according to Vedic literature, Upaniṣad, we understand that the Supreme Lord in His localized aspect, He is all-pervading. He is present everywhere. Not only that He is present in the church, but He is outside church, everywhere. It is stated in this Brahma-saṁhitā, aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayān... [Bs. 5.35]\n[He is an undifferentiated entity as there is no distinction between potency and the possessor thereof. In His work of creation of millions of worlds, His potency remains inseparable. All the universes exist in Him and He is present in His fullness in every one of the atoms that are scattered throughout the universe, at one and the same time. Such is the primeval Lord whom I adore.]\n\"He is present even within the atom.\" That is omnipresence. So He is present within you. It is not that you have to search out God anywhere else, but you have to..., you can search out within yourself. And that searching process is called yoga. Our this subject matter today is yoga. That means to search out your self.\nMeditation means you have to meditate upon what you are. Are you this body? Are you this finger? Are you this head? You analyze one after another, you will find that you are not this. Then you analyze your mind, whether you are mind, you will find you are not mind also. If you analyze your beyond mind, your intelligence, then you will find that you are not intelligence even. Beyond that intelligence you are sitting.\nThese things are very nicely explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. And when you find out your self, that is self-realization. And as you become self-realized, the symptoms become that you become jolly and free of all anxieties. So long you are not self-realized, you are full of anxieties. That is the nature, material nature.\nNot only we, human being, even birds, beasts, they are also full of anxieties. You give some eatables to the pigeons, to the birds, he will eat and look like this: \"Oh, somebody may not come, kill me.\" Yes. This is the nature. Now, you are American people, supposed to be the richest country. Oh, you have also many anxieties. You are not free from anxiety. You are also afraid of China or Russia or somebody else.\nSo how you can be free from anxiety? That is yoga system. If you actually practice yoga system... Yoga system, the whole Bhagavad-gītā is yoga system. It is said in the Fourth Chapter that imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam [Bg. 4.1]. \n[The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.]\nThe Lord says that \"This yoga system I first of all spoke to the sun-god.\" Imaṁ vivasvate. Vivasvata means... The sun-god's name is Vivasvān. Imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam, vivasvān manave prāhu [Bg. 4.1]: \"And Vivasvān, he explained this yoga system to his son, Manu.\" Now, if we calculate the age of Manu, it comes to some millions. At least forty millions of years before, it was spoken.\nSo this yoga system, Bhagavad-gītā yoga system, it is very popular book and widely circulated. I have seen many English translation of this Bhagavad-gītā in your country. Some of them are translated by American scholars, and some of them are translated by other country scholars. But there are many. But unfortunately, none of them have presented Bhagavad-gītā as it is. They have tried to exploit the popularity of Bhagavad-gītā and put something of their own idea. This is the defect.\nBut Bhagavad-gītā, if we want to understand, then we have to accept it by the formula as described in the Bhagavad-gītā. Just like if you have got the medicinal bottle, the direction and dose is on the label, that \"Two tablets thrice in a day, after meals,\" like that. But if you take the tablets according to your own whims, or somebody who does not know how to use that medicine, without consulting the physician, then you may be in dangerous position. You'll not get the result—that is sure and certain—but you may meet some dangerous position.\nSimilarly, so far Bhagavad-gītā is concerned, the prime standard book of yoga system, if you want to learn something from Bhagavad-gītā about the peace and prosperity and anxietylessness of your life, then you have to take this medicine of Bhagavad-gītā according to the dose prescribed in the Bhagavad-gītā, not outside. So what is that dose? That is also mentioned in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nimaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ\nproktavān aham avyayam\nvivasvān manave prāhur\nmanur ikṣvākave 'bravīt\n[Bg. 4.1]\n[The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.]\nevaṁ paramparā-prāptam\nimaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ\nsa kāleneha [mahatā]\nyogo naṣṭaḥ parantapa\n[Bg. 4.2]\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\nHe says, \"My dear Arjuna, this yoga system I spoke to Vivasvān, the sun-god, some millions of years ago. And Vivasvān explained this yoga system to his son, Manu, and Manu explained this yoga system to his son Ikṣvāku.\"\nEvaṁ paramparā-prāptam: \"In such disciplic succession, the confidential knowledge of yoga was coming down, but unfortunately it is now broken, and therefore it is lost.\" Sa kāleneha yogaḥ naṣṭaḥ. Naṣṭa means it is lost.\nNow, you can think that when Kṛṣṇa was present five thousand years before, there were many big scholars, learned. Even Vyāsadeva was present. And not only Vyāsadeva, there were others also, great scholars, great sages. But Kṛṣṇa said, sa kāleneha yogo naṣṭaḥ parantapa: \n\"In course of time, that disciplic succession being broken, the purport of this yoga system is now lost. And because it is lost, therefore I instruct you to understand this system of yoga.\" \"Why to me? I am not a scholar.\" Arjuna was a military man, warrior. He was kṣatriya, not even brāhmaṇa, not a Vedāntist, nothing of the sort. He knew how to fight only. That's all. That was his qualification. But Kṛṣṇa wanted to teach him.\nWhy? That is also explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. Bhakto 'si: \"Because you are My devotee.\" Therefore, to understand Bhagavad-gītā, the yoga system, one has to become a person of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is bhakta. Bhakto 'si priyo 'si [Bg. 4.3]\n[That very ancient science of the relationship with the Supreme is today told by Me to you because you are My devotee as well as My friend; therefore you can understand the transcendental mystery of this science.]\n\"You are My devotee, and you are very dear to Me. Therefore I am explaining to you.\"\nSo if you want to know the perfect yoga system, then you will know it from Bhagavad-gītā perfectly. It is very easy. And you have to accept it... Because it was spoken to Arjuna very confidentially, bhakto 'si, so as Arjuna understood it...\nThat is also explained in the Tenth Chapter of Bhagavad-gītā, how Arjuna accepted Bhagavad-gītā. In that process, if you try to understand Bhagavad-gītā as it is, then you can practice yoga system at home without any difficulty, and your life will be successful.\nSo yoga system is described in the Bhagavad-gītā in the Sixth Chapter. Of course, I do not know how much time you can spare. I could explain.\n[aside:] How much time? It is now 8:15.\nAnyway, I shall try to explain some of the verses. The haṭha-yoga system, as mentioned in the Bhagavad-gītā, that is also prescribed, the haṭha-yoga system, that...\n[break] Now, He is prescribing the preliminary process of practicing yoga. What is that?\nśucau deśe pratiṣṭhāpya\nsthiram āsanam ātmanaḥ\nnāty-ucchritaṁ nāti-nīcaṁ\ncailājina-kuśottaram\n[Bg. 6.11]\n[To practice yoga, one should go to a secluded place and should lay kuśa-grass on the ground and then cover it with a deerskin and a soft cloth. The seat should neither be too high nor too low and should be situated in a sacred place. The yogī should then sit on it very firmly and should practice yoga by controlling the mind and the senses, purifying the heart and fixing the mind on one point.]\nFirst of all, to practice yoga, you have to find out a very secret and sacred place. Yogī yuñjīta satatam ātmānaṁ rahasi sthitaḥ. Rahasi means in a secluded place. Yoga practice cannot be done—haṭha-yoga system, as it is prescribed, aṣṭāṅga-yoga, the eight divisional yoga system—that cannot be practiced in assembly or in a crowded place or in a class.\nBut Bhagavad-gītā says that yogī yuñjīta satatam ātmānaṁ rahasi sthitaḥ. Rahasi sthitaḥ means in a secluded place. Ekākī. Ekākī means alone. Ekākī yata-cittātmā, \"controlling the senses and mind.\" Nirāśīḥ, \"without any material desire,\" aparigrahaḥ, \"or taking some help from others.\" Not that \"I shall teach you yoga system by some monetary exchange.\" This is not yoga system. Aparigrahaḥ. Aparigrahaḥ means one should not expect something from others for learning or manifesting or exhibiting yoga system.\nThen not only he has to remain alone in a secluded place, but śucau deśe. Śucau deśe means a very sacred place. Pratiṣṭhāpya sthiram āsanam ātmānaḥ: one should have his own sitting place. Not that... That means he cannot change his sitting place. The same sitting place he should continue yoga system. Nāty-ucchritaṁ nāti-nīcaṁ cailājina-kuśottaram. There are skin, deerskin, and then straw mat, and then some soft clothing. In this way there is system of making your āsana, seat. Then,\ntatraikāgraṁ manaḥ kṛtvā\nyata-cittendriya-kriyaḥ\nupaviśyāsane yuñjyād\nyogam ātma-viśuddhaye\n[Bg. 6.12]\n[One should hold one's body, neck and head erect in a straight line and stare steadily at the tip of the nose. Thus with an unagitated, subdued mind, devoid of fear, completely free from sex life, one should meditate upon Me within the heart and make Me the ultimate goal of life.]\n\"In that seat you have to concentrate your mind in order to purify your senses.\" That is the process. Real yoga process means to purify the senses and purify the mind.\nThen how one has to execute that yoga system? It is said, samaṁ kāya-śiro-grīvam. Kāya means this trunk, body, and śira means head, and grīva means the neck. So it should be in a straight line. Samaṁ kāya-śiro-grīvaṁ dhārayann acalam. You should sit in such a posture that it will not move. It will not move. Straight, straight line.\nThen samprekṣya nāsikāgraṁ svam: \"You have to see the tip of your nose, sitting straight line, without any movement, and you have to see the tip of your nose.\" Samprekṣya nāsikāgraṁ svaṁ diśaś cānavalokayan: \"And you cannot see any other side. You have to simply see...\" These are the process of concentrating the mind.\nThen praśāntātmā, by practicing, when you will be completely peaceful... Praśāntātmā vigata-bhīr. Vigata-bhīr means without any fear. And brahmacāri-vrate sthitaḥ, without any sex life. A yogī cannot indulge in sex life. That is the first principle. Brahmacāri-vrata sthitaḥ manaḥ saṁyamya mac-citto: \"Concentrate the mind,\" mac-citto, \"focusing the mind upon Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\" Yukta āsīta mat-paraḥ. This is the yoga practice.\nBut unfortunately, who is practicing yoga in this process? Nobody can find out a secluded place; nobody can concentrate his mind in that way; nobody can fix up in one seat; nobody can constantly look on the tip of the nose. So there are many other formulas explained here. So therefore, as Lord..., and in the Bhāgavata it is stated that kṛte tad dhyāyato viṣṇum: \"These process were tangible, possible to perform in the age which is known as Satya-yuga, or the Golden Age.\"\nNow you will find in these Bhagavad-gītā pages that after explaining the process of practicing yoga system, Arjuna said, \"My dear Kṛṣṇa, excuse me. I cannot practice this. I cannot practice this. It is impossible for me.\" Why? \"Oh, I am a military man. How can I find out a secluded place? How can I sit in such a way? My mind is always restless. I have to do so many political affairs. So it is not possible for me.\"\nSo how it is possible for the present-day people, which was refused by Arjuna five thousand years ago? It is not possible. The yoga system is accepted in the Vedic literature, that is a standard practice for self-realization. But the, I mean, diagnosis of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that kṛte yad dhyāyato viṣṇum [SB 12.3.52]\n[Whatever result was obtained in Satya-yuga by meditating on Viṣṇu, in Tretā-yuga by performing sacrifices, and in Dvāpara-yuga by serving the Lord's lotus feet can be obtained in Kali-yuga simply by chanting the Hare Kṛṣṇa mahā-mantra.]\n\"The yoga system of meditation was possible to be practiced in the Golden Age, or in the Satya-yuga,\" but not in this age. Then how self-realization is possible? That is said, kalau tad dhari-kīrtanāt: \"Simply by chanting this Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" It doesn't require a secluded place, a sanctified place, or so many rules and regulation. Anywhere you can chant.\nWhile you are walking on the street, you can chant Hare Kṛṣṇa; you are in meditation. While you are working, you can chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Nobody is going to tax you; nobody is going to bother you. You have no loss, but the gain is immense.\nSo this Hare Kṛṣṇa movement is started, and it is easy, it is prescribed. If you at all want to get some spiritual benefit, you try to follow the prescribed method. Just like if you want at all to be cured, you must take the prescription of an experienced physician. Don't take any prescription who is a quack. If you take proper treatment, if you follow the instruction, then you be sure that you get the result out of it.\nSo in the last, when Arjuna refused, that \"Kṛṣṇa, it is not possible. This system is not possible for me,\" then Kṛṣṇa, as the last standard of this yoga system process, He said plainly that,\nyoginām api sarveṣāṁ\nmad-gatenāntarātmanā\nśraddhāvān bhajate yo māṁ\nsa me yuktatamo mataḥ\n[Bg. 6.47]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nYoginām, \"all kinds of yogīs.\" There are many yogīs: karma-yogī, jñāna-yogī, dhyāna-yogī, hatha-yogī, bhakti-yogī. Yoga system is just like a staircase. Just like in New York, that Empire State Building, that 102-story building, so there is a staircase or a lift. So yoga system is just like a lift to go to the highest perfection of life.\nBut there are different, I mean to say, flats. Just like karma-yoga. You can approach, you can make progress to the first or second floor. Similarly, by jñāna-yoga, you can make progress to the fiftieth floor. And similarly, by dhyāna-yoga, you can make progress up to the eightieth floor. But by bhakti-yoga, you can go to the highest platform.\nThis is also very nicely explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, bhaktyā mām abhijānāti [Bg. 18.55]\n[One can understand the Supreme Personality as He is only by devotional service. And when one is in full consciousness of the Supreme Lord by such devotion, he can enter into the kingdom of God.]\n\"If you want to know Me cent percent, then come to this bhakti-yoga.\" And this bhakti-yoga means this śravaṇam. The first thing is śravaṇam and kīrtanam. You simply chant and hear, simple process. You chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and hear. Immediately you become benefited, immediately, and you get ecstasy.\nSo our humble request is that this is very simple process, recommended process, approved process, and experimental process. If you try it without any loss, but with a prospect of a great gain, then you are request that you can accept it.\nThank you. Now if there is any question, you can ask.\n[pause] No question? Yes?",
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"content": "\n You were speaking about the Golden Age, the age when seventy-five percent of people were pure.",
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"content": "\n No. Cent percent, Golden Age.",
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"content": "\n How many?",
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"content": "\n Cent percent.",
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"content": "\n Oh, a hundred.",
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"content": "\n Hundred percent. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Why would they practice yoga at a time when everybody was pure anyway?",
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"content": "\n Pure means materially pure. But yoga practice means go to the spiritual platform. Just like in the material qualities, some men are very good men—the quality of goodness—and some men are in passion. That is the rajo-guṇa. And some men are in darkness. So there are three qualities in the material world: sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa and tamo-guṇa. \nSo those who are situated in the modes of goodness, they are called perfect in the material world; very good men. That \"very good man\" does not mean that he is spiritually advanced. He may be moralist. He may be philanthropist, just like so many leaders of nation. That is another thing.\nThe spiritual state is called viśuddha-sattva. Viśuddha-sattva means goodness where no other quality can contaminate. Here even one man is very good man, sometimes he is tinged with passion or ignorance. Just like I told you that Mahātmā Gandhi, he was a recognized good man, but he committed so many mistakes.\nSo pure goodness is not possible in this material world. Pure goodness means spiritual life. Yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā sarvair guṇais tatra samāsate surāḥ [SB 5.18.12]. \n[All the demigods and their exalted qualities, such as religion, knowledge and renunciation, become manifest in the body of one who has developed unalloyed devotion for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vāsudeva. On the other hand, a person devoid of devotional service and engaged in material activities has no good qualities. Even if he is adept at the practice of mystic yoga or the honest endeavor of maintaining his family and relatives, he must be driven by his own mental speculations and must engage in the service of the Lord's external energy. How can there be any good qualities in such a man?]\nSo because the spirit soul by nature is pure, by nature... As God is pure, similarly, we are part and parcel of God, we are also pure in our original position. But due so long..., since we have come in contact with this material nature, our inferiorities in different qualities or different degrees are present.\nSo for spiritual advancement, one has to come first to the platform of goodness, then pure goodness.\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\nmad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām\n[Bg. 18.54]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nThese things are there. So in the Satya-yuga, cent percent, or hundred percent people, they were on the platform of the quality of goodness.",
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"content": "\n Can a person..., er, if a person is married and they are interested in entering into Hare Kṛṣṇa, you know, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, can they reach the ultimate?",
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"content": "\n Why not? There is no restriction. Marriage is sanctified prescription in every scripture. There were many great souls who were married. Marriage is no hindrance.",
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"content": "\n But what about celibacy?",
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"content": "\n Celibacy is still better. But one who cannot, I mean to say, prosecute a celibate life, he can marry. There is no such restriction.",
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"content": "\n You talk about different yogas reaching different platforms, like one the twenty-fifth, one the fiftieth, and one the eightieth. Now, is it really... Does each one really reach the same point? Say one reaches the eightieth. Does it first reach the fiftieth and then the eightieth? In other words, do two yogas get to the same point? Then one can take you further, but the other one...",
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"content": "\n Yes. You have got the alternative. The same example: Just like in that Empire State building there are staircases, and there is lift also. So if you want to go step by step, then you can go. That is your option. But if you take the advantage of the lift, oh, in a second you can go.",
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"content": "\n And bhakti...",
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"content": "\n Similarly, there are different yoga processes. If you stick to some process, you go little further. Then you take another—you go little further. But if you take the bhakti-yoga process, it is the lift immediately. Because, as I quoted the verse from Bhagavad-gītā, yoginām api sarveṣām [Bg. 6.47]. \n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nSarveṣām means all. There are different kinds of yogīs. So \"Out of different kinds of many yogīs,\" mad-gatenāntarātmanā, \"one who is thinking of Me always within his heart,\" mad-gatenāntarāt..., śraddhāvān bhajate mām, \"and is engaged in My service with faith and devotion,\" sa me yuktatamo, \"oh, he is the first-class yogī.\" He is the first-class yogī.\nBecause yoga means to contact the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is the ultimate goal. So if by some process you can at once contact the Supreme Personality of Godhead, that is first class. That is made easy in this age. Simply by chanting \"Kṛṣṇa,\" you immediately contact. Immediately. So why not take this process? Why not try? Just give a try, and reach immediately. That is our proposal. We request everyone, \"Try this process.\"\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Does devotion come before wakefulness, or does wakefulness come before devotion?",
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"content": "\n Before?",
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"content": "\n Wakefulness, awareness.\n [explaining] Does devotion come before wakefulness, or does wakefulness come before devotion?",
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"content": "\n What do you mean by wakefulness?",
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"content": "\n Awareness. You know, feeling the presence, being aware of yourself.",
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"content": "\n No. First you have to execute devotion; then awareness comes. If you do not read or labor for passing your examination, how you can pass examination? So therefore devotion is the prescribed rules and regulation. That is not very difficult. The primary rule is that you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Just see. It is not difficult.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Should not one try to purify one's heart first, and personality?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That will go. Just like if you take proper medicine for curing your disease, the more your disease is cured, you feel healthy life. Pure life means healthy life, and impure life means unhealthy life.\nSo there is a process of bhakti-yoga, how one becomes purified. The first stage is ādau śraddhā. Just like you have, all ladies and gentlemen, come here with little respect for this, I mean to say, movement, Hare Kṛṣṇa. This is the basic principle. A little faith: \"Oh, all right. Let us hear about it. Let us see.\" This is the beginning. Ādau śraddhā tato sādhu-saṅga [Cc. Madhya 23.14]. \n[“’In the beginning there must be faith. Then one becomes interested in associating with pure devotees. Thereafter one is initiated by the spiritual master and executes the regulative principles under his orders. Thus one is freed from all unwanted habits and becomes firmly fixed in devotional service. Thereafter, one develops taste and attachment. This is the way of sādhana-bhakti, the execution of devotional service according to the regulative principles. Gradually emotions intensify, and finally there is an awakening of love. This is the gradual development of love of Godhead for the devotee interested in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.’]\nNow, if you think, \"Oh, it is very nice. Oh, Swāmījī explains very nicely,\" then you come again. That is called sādhu-saṅga, association. We have got our class. If you want, you can associate with us. Ādau śraddhā tato-sādhu-saṅga tato bhajana-kriyā. Bhajana-kriyā means practice. Just like my students, they came also like this.\nNot in the beginning they accepted, but he came after attending some lectures, then advanced, then offered that \"Swāmījī, I want to be your student.\" That is called bhajana-kriyā. So if he practices the bhajana-kriyā, then anartha-nivṛttiḥ syāt. Then he becomes purified. This is the process of purification. Anartha-nivṛttiḥ syāt. \nTato niṣṭhā. And as soon as he is purified, he become stuck up to this principle. He cannot give up. Tato niṣṭhā tato ruciḥ. Ruci means he gets a taste for it. Don't you think they are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa always... Hackneyed, for others it is hackneyed, but they are feeling pleasure.\nTato niṣṭhā tato ruciḥ. Ruci means taste. Tathāsakti. Then they cannot give it up. Tato bhāva. Then ecstasy. Sādhakānām ayaṁ premṇaḥ prādurbhāve bhavet kramaḥ: \"These are the gradual process of developing love of Godhead.\" And as soon as you develop love of Godhead, your life is perfect.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Can you explain the reason why yogīs don't eat meat?",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n Why shouldn't they eat meat?",
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"content": "\n Meat-eating, and if you believe in Bhagavad-gītā, is not the..., against the..., our purificatory process. You cannot kindle fire, at the same time add water on it. If you want to kindle fire, then you have to keep that place very dry and fan it. Similarly, there are rules and regulation. Out of that rules and regulation is jīva-hiṁsā [CB Madhya-khaṇḍa 15.072]. \n[“O Lord, You reside in the hearts of all living entities and I have committed violence against many of them.]\nJīva-hiṁsā means unnecessary killing of animals. Now, if you have got sufficient foodstuff—a state I see in America... Oh, you have got sufficient grains, sufficient fruits, sufficient milk, milk products. Then if you can live on these things which are meant for human being, why should you kill animals unnecessarily?\nIf there is no alternative, that you cannot live... Just like in the desert, Arabian Desert, there is no fruit, no grain; for them animal-eating may be permitted. Because after all, we have to live. That is a different thing. But when you have got very nice foodstuff, and a very nutritious, palatable, sweet, why should you indulge in this unnecessary killing of animals? That is..., will go against your purification. Therefore it is prohibited.",
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"content": "\n Is the unnecessary killing of animals part of, say, in relation to the incarnation, evolution to [indistinct] forms. The objection to doing it is based on...?\n Is the objection to eating meat based on transmigration?",
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"content": "\nTransmigration from animals?",
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"content": "\n From animal to man.",
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"content": "\n No, animal can eat... The tiger, he is... By nature, he does not eat fruit or grain. He simply eats animals. So he can do that.",
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"content": "\n No, he was saying is there a relationship..., is the reason why we're not eating meat due to the fact that once we were animals and now we've progressed to human nature, to human form? Does that have any relationship?",
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"content": "\n Yes. The nature is that everyone should eat another living animal or another living creature for existence. That is the law of nature. Jīvo jīvasya jīvanam: \"One living entity is the life of another living entity.\" That is a fact. Just like sahastānām ahastānam [SB 1.13.47]\n[Those who are devoid of hands are prey for those who have hands; those devoid of legs are prey for the four-legged. The weak are the subsistence of the strong, and the general rule holds that one living being is food for another.]\nThose who have got hands—that means men—for them, ahastāni, means the animals who have got no hands. And apadānanaṁ catuṣ-padām: \"And the four-legged animals, they eat the grass, who cannot move.\" So grass has got life, as the animal has got life, we have got life. So this is... Nūnaṁ mahatāṁ tatra: \"The strong is eating the weak.\"\nSo this is the law of nature. We are eating the grains and fruits. They have got also life. It is not that those who are vegetarians, or eating grains and fruit, they are not eating life. They are also eating life. But the bhakti-yoga process is that, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, that the devotees, they take prasādam. \nWe have got arrangement of distributing prasādam in every Sunday. Prasādam means the foodstuff which is offered to Kṛṣṇa, and then you take. So what Kṛṣṇa wants, that is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati [Bg. 9.26]. \n[If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.]\nTherefore we are not propagating the philosophy of ahiṁsā, or nonviolence, because in some way or other, there is violence, either you take fruit or grain or animal. But the principle is that you have to take prasādam, the foodstuff which is offered to Kṛṣṇa, and then you eat.\nSo these things, fruits, grains, are accepted by Kṛṣṇa. We offer to Kṛṣṇa and then we [indistinct]. This is the philosophy. Not that because we are eating fruits, therefore we are getting pious, and because you are eating... [break]\nWhen you become cent percent purified, then you go to the spiritual world. You haven't got to come back. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: yad gatvā na nivartante yad dhāma paramaṁ mama [Bg. 15.6].\n[That abode of Mine is not illumined by the sun or moon, nor by electricity. One who reaches it never returns to this material world.]\nSo purificatory means that we are changing our bodies, life after life, transmigrating. Now this is the opportunity. This human form of life is the opportunity to purify ourself so that next life we can get complete spiritual life, full of bliss, knowledge and eternity. This is the process.\nThe Kṛṣṇa consciousness means to get the highest perfection of life. And that opportunity is offered to the human society. The animal society, they cannot take advantage. The Bhagavad-gītā is meant for the human society.\nSo if we take advantage of the presentation given by Kṛṣṇa, if you practice Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then there is opportunity of becoming fully, cent percent perfect. We have to take advantage of it. That's all.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n To give up matter through the chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa, to make this contact by using the words of matter, how [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n It is very simple. It is sound vibration. Sound is the beginning of all material creation. Everywhere there is sound. So... And God is in everywhere; therefore He is also in sound. So in sound form we can realize Him. The \"Kṛṣṇa,\" the transcendental sound, and the Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Lord, is identical. That we have to realize by practicing.\nnāma cintāmaṇiḥ kṛṣṇaś\ncaitanya-rasa-vigrahaḥ\npūrṇaḥ śuddho nitya-mukto\nabhinnatvān nāma-nāminoḥ\n[Cc. Madhya 17.133]\n[“’The holy name of Kṛṣṇa is transcendentally blissful. It bestows all spiritual benedictions, for it is Kṛṣṇa Himself, the reservoir of all pleasure. Kṛṣṇa’s name is complete, and it is the form of all transcendental mellows. It is not a material name under any condition, and it is no less powerful than Kṛṣṇa Himself. Since Kṛṣṇa’s name is not contaminated by the material qualities, there is no question of its being involved with māyā. Kṛṣṇa’s name is always liberated and spiritual; it is never conditioned by the laws of material nature. This is because the name of Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa Himself are identical.’]\nThere is no, I mean to say, difference between the Supreme Person and His name. Just like in the material conception there is difference. If you want water, simply by chanting \"water, water,\" your satisfaction will not be there. But in the spiritual world, everything being absolute, there is no difference between the name \"Kṛṣṇa\" and the person Kṛṣṇa.\nTherefore by... And it is the easiest process for you. You can chant this name \"Kṛṣṇa.\" That means by sound contact, you contact the Supreme Person. That is a point of realization. You have to practice it, and you'll know very easily.",
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"content": "\n Do you have some time to chant before us?\n We chant now?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Go on chanting. Yes. Thank you very much.\nYou join with us these sixteen words: Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Please, you can try in this class, and try to find out how it is nice.\n[68:34]\n[kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] All glories to the assembled devotees. All glories to the assembled devotees. All glories to the assembled devotees. Thank you very much.\n[76:00]\n[prasāda distribution]\nDistribute prasāda. Oh, you should have cut it before. Why did you not cut it before? Take somebody and distribute. Take that pot. Distribute one. You can distribute. You supply. You take and supply. Yes. Yes. You take and supply. What is that?\nWhy you have not cut it? It is taking simply time. Cut it. Yes. Go on, take it. You take it. You take it. Supply that. You take and supply that. Take it there.\n[sounds of utensils and pots]\n[long pause] Go take that pot. The very pot, you can take. That pot. All right. Take it. Go on. You can wash later. [end]",
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"content": "\n [kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\n[16:59]\nYes, somebody read.",
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"content": "\n \"Thus far I have declared to you the analytical knowledge of sāṅkhya philosophy. Now listen to the knowledge of yoga, whereby one works without fruitive result.\"",
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"content": "\n \"Thus far I have declared to you the analytical knowledge of sāṅkhya philosophy. Now listen to the knowledge of yoga, whereby one works without fruitive result.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Text 39. [Bg 2.39]\n[Thus far I have declared to you the analytical knowledge of sāṅkhya philosophy. Now listen to the knowledge of yoga whereby one works without fruitive result. O son of Pṛthā, when you act by such intelligence, you can free yourself from the bondage of works.]",
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"content": "\n \"O son of Pṛthā, when you act by such intelligence you can free yourself from the bondage of works.\"\nVerse 40: \"In this endeavor there is no loss or diminution, and a little advancement on this path can protect one from the most dangerous type of fear.\"\nPurport: \"Activity in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or acting for the benefit of Kṛṣṇa without expectation of sense gratification, is the highest transcendental quality of work. Even a small beginning of such activity finds no impediment, nor can that small beginning be lost at any stage. Any work begun...\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Is the purport going on?",
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"content": "\n Yes. \"Any work begun on the material plane has to be done nicely till the end, otherwise the whole attempt becomes a failure. But any work begun in Kṛṣṇa consciousness has a permanent effect, even though not finished. The performer of such work is therefore not at a loss even if his work in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is incomplete. One percent done in Kṛṣṇa consciousness bears permanent results, so that the next beginning is from the point of two percent, whereas in material activity, without a hundred percent success there is no profit.\n\"There is a nice verse in this connection in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. It says if someone gives up his occupational duty and works in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and then again falls down on account of not being complete in such activities, still, what loss is there on his part? And what can one gain if one performs his material activities very perfectly? Or, as the Christians say, 'What profiteth a man if he gain the whole world yet suffers the loss of his eternal soul?'\n\"Material activities and the results of such actions will end with the body, but work in Kṛṣṇa consciousness will carry a person again to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, even after the loss of this body. At least one is sure to have a chance in the next life of being born into human society, either in the family of a great cultured brāhmaṇa or else a rich aristocratic family that will give the man a further chance for elevation. That is the unique quality of work done in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\"",
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"content": "\n What is that? So the reference of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam...\n[baby making noise] Attention diverted.\n[aside:] Yes. Yes. Keep it open. Let them come. Yes.\nThere is a verse in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam in connection with instruction of Nārada Muni to Vyāsadeva. And Vyāsadeva was disciple of Nārada Muni, and Vyāsadeva compiled so many Vedic literatures—Mahābhārata, Purāṇas, Vedānta-sūtra, Upaniṣads, various types of... Not types; practically the same Vedas, divided into departmental knowledge for understanding of the common people.\nJust like Mahābhārata. Mahābhārata is the history of India. Mahā means great, and bhārata means India. And you see, Mahābhārata is the history of two royal families fighting in the Battle of Kurukṣetra and politics and diplomacy. This is the subject matter of Mahābhārata. Of course, there are many nice instructions.\nSo this Mahābhārata was especially made for the less intelligent class of men. Strī-śūdra-dvija-bandhūnāṁ trayi na śruti-gocara [SB 1.4.25]. \n[Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he compiled the great historical narration called the Mahābhārata for women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.]\nStrī means woman, and śūdra means ordinary labor class of men. Strī, śūdra and dvija-bandhu. Dvija-bandhu means..., dvija means higher class, twice-born. Śūdra means once-born and dvija means twice-born. That means first birth by the father and mother, and the second birth by the Vedic knowledge mother and spiritual master father. This is called second birth, according to Vedic reformatory procedures.\nSo dvija, dvija-bandhu means a person born in the higher family who are by tradition very cultured, but a son born in that family is not cultured. He is just like śūdra, once-born. He has no cultural birth. So they are called dvija-bandhu.\n[tapping sound—child playing]\n[aside:] You have to take him.\nDvija-bandhu means born in high family, but has no quality, higher qualities. They are called dvija-bandhu. So for these classes of men, Mahābhārata was composed by Vyāsadeva.\nIn this way he compiled so many literatures, but he was not happy. So Nārada Muni, his spiritual master, advised him to describe the activities of the Lord. That is Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In that connection he says that some way or other, if somebody becomes in connection with Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness, and acts in that spirit, that is never lost. The action of Kṛṣṇa conscious activities will never be lost. That is the purport of this verse.\nJust like I am doing very large-scale business in my present body. I am earning... Just like Rockefeller, Ford, in your country, in our country also, Birla, there are many big industrialists earning money like anything, hoarding money. But this money, this acquisition or educational qualification...\nSuppose in this life you become a great scientist, a great scholar, M.A., Ph.D, D.A.C., L.L.D., so many titles, and very good opulence, or very good, beautiful body, so many material... These are material acquisitions, to get birth in high family, to become highly educated...\n[child making noises]\n[aside:] Attention [indistinct].\n...highly educated, to become very rich, these are material acquisitions. But Śrīmad-Bhāgavata says that all these acquisitions will be finished as soon as the body is finished.\nThe people, they do not know it. They are thinking that \"Whatever I am acquiring in this body, that will go with me,\" or \"I shall be happy with these acquisitions.\" That is called illusion, māyā. Because they have no knowledge that \"I am spirit soul. I am changing this position of different bodies.\" Vāsāṁsi jīrnāṇi yathā vihāya [Bg. 2.22].\n[As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, similarly, the soul accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.]\nJust like we change our body..., our dresses. This knowledge is lacking in the present civilization. They want to make permanent settlement here but forget that \"Any moment, I shall be kicked out of this situation. I shall have to accept another situation.\" That is the lack of education in the modern civilization. They are accepting something temporary as permanent settlement. This is called illusion.\nSo in this verse Kṛṣṇa advises Arjuna, \"My dear Arjuna, these Kṛṣṇa consciousness activities, even if you achieve one percent result... What is that result? Bhakti. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra syāt [SB 11.2.42].\n[Devotion, direct experience of the Supreme Lord, and detachment from other things—these three occur simultaneously for one who has taken shelter of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, in the same way that pleasure, nourishment and relief from hunger come simultaneously and increasingly, with each bite, for a person engaged in eating.]\nThis Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or bhakti, devotional service, means to develop attachment for Kṛṣṇa, and in the same proportion develop detachment for material sense gratification. Two things cannot go on. Just like here is a glass containing water. If you want to put milk in this glass, then you have to throw away the water.\nIf you think that \"I shall keep half water, half milk,\" that can be done, but both of them becomes diluted or polluted. If you want to keep milk, then you have to throw out the water, and if you want to keep water, then you cannot keep milk. Similarly, bhakti pareśānubhavaḥ. This is the test.\nIf you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, if you are improving in spiritual life, proportionately you will be detached from materialistic way of life. That is the test. Simply thinking that \"I am meditating so much, I am making very good advance,\" is not. You have to test. The test is that your... Improvement of spiritual life means that you become detached to the materialistic way of life. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra syāt [SB 11.2.42].\nThe example is... This is one example. Another example is just like if you are hungry. Actually, every man is hungry for spiritual happiness. Therefore they are not satisfied. They are trying to gratify their senses in so many ways, but still they are not satisfied, because actually he is hungry. Just like this child crying.\nMother is offering something, but he's still crying. That means he is asking something which the mother cannot understand. Similarly, the dissatisfaction of the modern world means that actually everyone is hankering after spiritual happiness. But nobody is offering. And even if it is offered, they cannot understand. They do not take it. This is the position.\nSo here in this verse, Kṛṣṇa says that some way or other if you begin your activities in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, even one percent, not cent per cent, it will never be destroyed. All other things, whatever you acquire in this present life, with the end of this body everything is finished.\nYour education, your degree, your opulence, your skyscraper building, your bank balance—everything will remain where you kept, and you have to go, even leaving this body also. You have to go alone and to accept another body. But if you cultivate spiritual consciousness or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that will go with you. And if you have finished in this life, say, ten percent, then next life you begin eleven percent.\nThe best thing is that why not finish cent per cent in this life? Why should we indulge in materialistic way of life, sense gratification? That we have tried in many lives. This is human form of life, and there were many other lives also. We had been in the water, aquatics; we had been in the vegetable kingdom; we had been animals; we had been worms. So many. This is the highest boon. Labdhvā su-durlabham idaṁ bahu-sambhavānte [SB 11.9.29].\n[After many, many births and deaths one achieves the rare human form of life, which, although temporary, affords one the opportunity to attain the highest perfection. Thus a sober human being should quickly endeavor for the ultimate perfection of life as long as his body, which is always subject to death, has not fallen down and died. After all, sense gratification is available even in the most abominable species of life, whereas Kṛṣṇa consciousness is possible only for a human being.]\nAfter many, many births, millions of births, here is another form of body, human form of body, and especially in the civilized society, in well-to-do society. So just try to utilize it, how to utilize it to...\nThe consciousness, the present consciousness, polluted consciousness should be rectified to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. \n[”’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nNirmalam means purified. If you can purify your consciousness in touch with Kṛṣṇa, or God, that is your success. And if you can execute even certain percentage, that is your permanent asset. It will go with you. Next life also you'll get chance. This is also explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. So every sane man, every intelligent man should take advantage of this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, and whatever percentage he can achieve, he should try for it. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Verse 41: \"Those who are on this path are resolute in purpose, and their aim is one. O beloved child of the Kurus, the intelligence of those who are irresolute is many-branched. Men of small knowledge are very much attached to the flowery words of the Vedas, which recommend various fruitive activities for elevation in the heavenly planets, resultant good birth, power and so forth. Being desirous of sense gratification and opulent life, they say that there is nothing more than this.\" [Bg. 2.41]\n[Those who are on this path are resolute in purpose, and their aim is one. O beloved child of the Kurus, the intelligence of those who are irresolute is many-branched.]",
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"content": "\n In the Vedas there are many allurements for elevating oneself to higher standard of life. Just like in this life also the father says, \"My dear boy, if you become highly educated, then you'll get very nice job, you'll get good salary, and you'll have nice apartment and nice wife, children.\"\nJust like these are allurements for enticing one in this materialistic way of life, similarly, there are many allurements in the Vedic literatures. People are also, I mean to say, allured to execute such thing, that if you make such-and-such pious activities, then you get elevated to such-and-such higher planets and you get such-and-such high standard of life. These are explained there.\nBut Kṛṣṇa says that don't be misled by these allurement. He will explain also later on. Ā-brahma-bhuvanāl lokāḥ [Bg. 8.16].\n[From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, O son of Kuntī, never takes birth again.]\nJust like people are trying to go to the moon planet. They are trying to go to the moon planet by some airplane or sputnik. Similarly, in the Vedic literature the travel to moon planet is also stated, that if you act in this way, then you get promotion to get your life in the moon planet. There you shall live for ten thousands of years, and you will have soma-rasa beverages, and you'll...\nSo many promises. But Kṛṣṇa says that \"Don't be allured.\" They are fact. They are not false statement. Actually they are facts, that if you act in such-and-such way, you can enter in higher planetary system and you have higher standard of life. But this Bhagavad-gītā proposition is that don't try to live within this material world anywhere. Anywhere.\nThere is Vedic instruction also. Tamaso mā jyotir gamaya: don't remain within this darkness. This material world is darkness. Therefore there is need of sunlight, need of moonlight. Just like just now, night. What is this night? Night means this is the real appearance of this material world.\nIt is dark, and when the sunlight will be visible, we shall think that it is daytime. But actually it is dark. But there is another nature. That is also explained in the Bhagavad-gītā: paras tasmāt tu bhāvo 'nyaḥ [Bg. 8.20],\n[Yet there is another unmanifest nature, which is eternal and is transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is annihilated, that part remains as it is.]\nAnother spiritual nature where there is always illumination. Jyoti. Jyoti means illumination.\nSo Vedic injunction is that don't stay within this dark material world. Just come to the illuminated world. Jyotir gamaya. The same thing Kṛṣṇa also advises, that don't be allured to stay in any nice planet of this universe. Come out of it. Yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama [Bg. 15.6]:\n[That abode of Mine is not illumined by the sun or moon, nor by electricity. One who reaches it never returns to this material world.]\n\"That is My eternal abode, or the best abode, where going you'll never come back again.\"\nSo what is that? Go on.",
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"content": "\n Verse 44: \"In the minds of those who are too attached to sense enjoyment and material opulence and who are bewildered by such things, the resolute determination for devotional service to the Lord does not take place.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Here is very important thing. The exact Sanskrit word is, bhogaiśvarya-prasaktānāṁ tayāpahṛta-cetasām, vyavasāyātmikā buddhiḥ [Bg. 2.44],\n[In the minds of those who are too attached to sense enjoyment and material opulence, and who are bewildered by such things, the resolute determination of devotional service to the Supreme Lord does not take place.]\nekeha kuru nandana. In the beginning it has been said that you make your determination that \"In this life I shall execute Kṛṣṇa consciousness in such a way that after leaving this body I enter into the spiritual world and go directly to Goloka Vṛndāvana, Kṛṣṇaloka.\" This is called vyavasāyātmikā buddhiḥ. Niścayātmikā means determination.\nBut He says that persons who are attached bhoga, material enjoyment, aiśvarya, material opulence: bhogaiśvarya-prasaktānām [Bg. 2.44]... Those who are too much attached to material enjoyment and material sense gratification, material opulence, tayāpahṛta-cetasām, and those who have become bewildered or mad after it, tayāpahṛta-cetasām, vyavasāyātmikā buddhiḥ, they cannot have such determination. They will fail to have such determination.\nTherefore, according to Vedic civilization, there is voluntary renunciation. Just like Mahārāja Bharata, he was the emperor of the world, and at the age of twenty-four years he gave up everything. Mahārāja Bharata is a very... Long, long ago he appeared. But Lord Buddha, he was also princely order, and he was young man. He also gave up everything, his father's kingdom, everything. That you know, because Lord Buddha is known at the present moment.\nSo this renunciation is recommended. If we simply remain in material opulence and enjoyment, that will be our disqualification for entering into the kingdom of God. Too much attachment, too much increasing of material civilization, means that next life is very much dark. Bhogaiśvarya-prasaktānām [Bg. 2.44].\n[In the minds of those who are too attached to sense enjoyment and material opulence, and who are bewildered by such things, the resolute determination of devotional service to the Supreme Lord does not take place.]\nJust like the other day I was explaining, rāja-putra ciraṁ jīva: \"Oh, the son of royal order, you live forever. Because you do not know, next life is very dark for you, because you do not cultivate any Kṛṣṇa consciousness. You have got money, and you are enjoying sense enjoyment, and as soon as this body will be finished, no more your control.\nThen you are completely under the control of material nature, and you'll have to accept a body as you have done in this life, because this life is preparation for the next life.\" You have got very concrete example, just like President Kennedy. He was young man, very rich man, and he got the president post with great endeavor, spending so much money. He had his wife and children. But in one moment everything finished. Everything finished.\nSo we do not know that we are standing on a tottering platform. So however nice arrangement we may make, this will be finished in one moment. That is we are missing. We are simply sticking to a false platform, that \"This will save me, this will save me.\" No. Therefore Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura says that jaḍa-bidyā jato māyāra vaibhava.\nThis material advancement of civilization, very nice, very dazzling. Just like when we pass on the street or road of your American cities, it looks so nice, so many lights and so many night-illuminating signboards. But we should always remember that this nice situation is not permanent settlement. Any moment I'll have to give up everything. Everything.\nSo therefore, if one becomes attached to this false platform, illuminating, so-called illuminating, false platform, then his determination to go back to Godhead will not be very much intense. That is being explained. So bhogaiśvarya-prasaktānām. What is the English translation? Yes.",
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"content": "\n \"In the minds of those who are too attached to sense enjoyment...\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Minds of those who are too much attached to the sense enjoyment. And?",
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"content": "\n \"...and who are bewildered by such things, the resolute determination for devotional service to the Lord does not take place.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. They cannot take. Therefore we have to voluntarily accept simple life. Simple life. Just like we are sitting here on the floor. According to your American standard of life, this is not good. Therefore no, I mean, very rich class of men or high class of men, they do not come to this, because we have no sitting place. But actually, what is the difference?\nIf you sit down on the floor or if you sit on a very nice, comfortable couch, after all, you are sitting. But to secure a very nice couch, you have to waste your time so much. Your valuable time, which you could use for cultivating Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you'll have to waste for securing a comfortable seat of couch. This is called material civilization. That's all.\nYou are extending the comforts of life, but you do not know that this life is temporary. How long you shall live in this comfort? Your real thing is spirit soul, which is eternal. That is also the instruction of Lord Jesus, that after gaining everything, if you lose your own soul, what is the gain? Bhogaiśvarya-prasaktānām [Bg. 2.44]. Therefore this is another kind of disqualification for advancing in spiritual consciousness, if one becomes too much attached to these material comforts of life.\nTherefore, according to Vedic civilization, a boy is trained to become brahmacārī. Brahmacārī. Brahmacārī means complete celibacy: no sex life, no amusement. Because just to train him not to be attracted by this material sense enjoyment. Then he'll be able to grasp what is spiritual life. Therefore restriction. But if from the very childhood, in the school, college, the boys and girls are allowed to enjoy sex life, then it is very difficult to understand or to enter into spiritual life. Bhogaiśvarya-prasaktānām.\nIf we teach our children simply for sense enjoyment, how they can be spiritually advanced? The result will be confusion. Therefore in your country the hippies are there—confusion. They have been brought up in material sense enjoyment very nicely, but still, there is confusion, frustration, because he's hankering after something better. So that is spiritual happiness. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo one has to understand this point, and voluntarily he has to accept this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, and then he'll find happiness. This is sure. Those who have taken to it, just ask them, just argue with them, and see actually. This is happiness. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"Samādhi means fixed mind. The Vedic dictionary, the Nirukti, says, 'When the mind is fixed for understanding the self, this is called samādhi.' Samādhi is never possible for persons interested in material sense enjoyment, nor for those who are bewildered by such...\"",
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"content": "\n Samādhi... The yoga process is to achieve the stage of samādhi. That means the mind being fixed upon the Supreme. But if our mind is... Mind... Nature of mind is always agitated, and if we artificially give impetus to the mind to be more agitated, then where is the question of samādhi? There is no question of samādhi. They'll never be able to concentrate the mind. That is not possible.\nSo in this age no process will be successful. Simply this process, this chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Anyone, it doesn't matter, in whatever condition he is, as soon as he will hear Hare Kṛṣṇa, he'll immediately join. His mind will be attracted immediately. Simplest process: vibration. There is no question of time to practice some breathing exercise, some sitting posture, because these things are not possible in this age. Simply we invite you to come here and simply join this chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, and very quickly you'll be spiritually advanced. This is a fact. Otherwise there is no second alternative.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Samādhi is never possible for persons interested in material sense enjoyment, nor for those who are bewildered by such temporary things. They are more or less condemned by the process of material energy.\"\nVerse 45: \"The Vedas mainly deal with the subject of the three modes of material nature. Rise above these modes, O Arjuna.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Traiguṇya-viṣayā vedā nistraiguṇyo bhavārjuna [Bg. 2.45].\n[The Vedas mainly deal with the subject of the three modes of material nature. Rise above these modes, O Arjuna. Be transcendental to all of them. Be free from all dualities and from all anxieties for gain and safety, and be established in the Self.]\nThe exact verse is like that. The whole material world is working under three modes of material nature: the modes of goodness, modes of passion and modes of ignorance. Those who are acting in the modes of goodness, they are being elevated to higher standard of life.\nThose who are acting in the modes of passion, they'll remain in the same position as they are now, and those acting in the modes of ignorance, darkness, without any knowledge, they are being degraded in lower grades of life. This is material world. But Kṛṣṇa is advising Arjuna that either goodness or passion or ignorance, after all, they are activities of this material world. You have to come above, transcend this position of goodness also.\nSo goodness is not qualification for spiritual advancement, but it is helping. If a man is very good man, then it is helping to spiritual life. But that is not the cause. Here the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, this chanting, is directly offering spiritual life. Even one is not in goodness, even one is in the darkest part of the quality of ignorance, still, he can be immediately elevated to the spiritual platform, which is recommended by Kṛṣṇa, that you have come to the platform above the modes of goodness.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is directly offering the spiritual platform, which is above the mode of goodness. The quality of goodness will [be] automatically there. Any person who is in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, his quality of goodness—namely, he does not indulge in illicit sex life, he does not smoke even or take tea or coffee even, he does not eat any forbidden foodstuff, neither he takes part in unnecessary gambling—so good character is immediately there. That is the test. How one is spiritually advanced will be tested how he has acquired all the good qualities.\nNot that a yogī talking with a cigarette in hand. There is a picture. [laughs] In our Back to Godhead somebody was talking with our representative. He cannot give up smoking even for a moment, chain smoker, and claiming, \"I am God, I am spiritually advanced,\" [laughs] and so many nonsense thing. You see. He's being kicked up by material energy in so many ways, and still he's claiming, \"Oh, everyone is God. I am God.\" God is so cheap thing, you see? And they are satisfied, \"I am God.\" That's all.\nSo this bluffing, these cheating things are going on. And because we are unable to cheat and bluff, nobody cooperates with us. They want to be cheated and bluffed. That is the business. Yes.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Rise above these modes, O Arjuna. Be transcendental to all of them. Be free from all dualities and from all anxieties for gain and safety, and be established in the self.\"\nForty-six:...",
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"content": "\n To establish yourself. \"Yourself\" means you are part and parcel of the Supreme. So just like my hand. Some way or other, if my hand becomes paralyzed, it is not working. And as soon as it is established with this body, then it will work. The nerves and veins will at once work. Similarly, \"established in self.\"\nBecause I am part and parcel of the Supreme Self, so my establishment with the Supreme Self means I will be active for Kṛṣṇa. This is the simple philosophy. As soon as I am active in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that means I am established in the self. The same example: This finger, when it is diseased... Just like I am moving my finger very nicely, because it is established with the whole body.\nBut when it is detached or someway or other diseased, \"Oh, I am feeling pain. I am not well.\" That is the diseased condition. So any person, any living entity who is not engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness activities, he's detached. So one has to [be] reestablished. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.\nThat is also explained in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Muktir hitvā anyathā rūpaṁ sva-rūpeṇa vyavasthitiḥ [SB 2.10.6]. \n[The merging of the living entity, along with his conditional living tendency, with the mystic lying down of the Mahā-Viṣṇu is called the winding up of the cosmic manifestation. Liberation is the permanent situation of the form of the living entity after he gives up the changeable gross and subtle material bodies.]\nMukti means liberation. What is the liberation? Liberation means, Bhāgavata explains, hitvā anyathā rūpam. Anyathā rūpam means a different identification. When one gives up the different identification and is established in his own real identity, that is called mukti. So now our identification is that \"I am matter; therefore I am this body; therefore I belong to this country; therefore I am American; therefore I am this, I am that, I am that.\" You see? This is our diseased condition.\nSo mukti means one has to be released from this wrong identification. And after giving up wrong identification, what is my real identification? Oh, I am..., ahaṁ brahmāsmi, I am the part and parcel of the Supreme. That's it. So if anyone is reestablished in his original, constitutional position as part and parcel of the Supreme and engages his energy in that way, he is liberated. This is the definition of liberation.\nSo this also advised here?",
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"content": "\n Verse 46.",
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"content": "\n No, 45.",
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"content": "\n \"The Vedas mainly deal with the subject of the three modes of material nature. Rise above these modes, O Arjuna. Be transcendental to all of them. Be free from all dualities and from all anxieties for gain and safety.\" [Bg. 2.45]\n[The Vedas mainly deal with the subject of the three modes of material nature. Rise above these modes, O Arjuna. Be transcendental to all of them. Be free from all dualities and from all anxieties for gain and safety, and be established in the Self.]",
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"content": "\n Yes. As soon as we are... This world is of duality. Duality means you cannot understand one thing without understanding the other. Just like light. You have no conception of light without the conception of darkness. This is called duality. Good—unless you have experienced bad, you cannot understand good. Father—unless there is a son, there is no meaning of father. Husband—unless there is a wife, there is no meaning of husband. This is called duality. This world is duality. So we have to rise above this dual world and enter into the absolute world. Then there will be happiness.\nThat's all right. Thank you. So any question?",
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"content": "\n Uh, I heard it said that you have perfect enlightenment. If this is true, I'd like to know what does that mean.",
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"content": "\n That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n Well, is everybody who is a devotee of Kṛṣṇa... Does everybody who is a devotee, initiated, do they all have perfect enlightenment?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That I just now explained. That is liberation. I am identified just now with this matter: \"I am this body. I belong to this country, I belong to this world.\" This is illusion. And as soon as I can understand that \"I belong to none of these—I belong to Kṛṣṇa,\" that is enlightenment.\nSimply changing the understanding. It is not very difficult. But it is difficult [for] one who cannot understand. That is another thing. But if one can understand this fact, then he's immediately enlightened. Just like this light, it is now enlightened; there is illumination. And as soon as the switch is off, immediately darkness. And switch is on, immediately light.\nSo it is not very difficult to understand what is enlightenment. Enlightened means ahaṁ brahmāsmi. I do not belong to this material world. I belong to the Supreme Spirit. That conviction makes you enlightenment. So anyone who has got this conviction, he's enlightened. This is not very difficult.",
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"content": "\n Although all of the initiates, everybody who has been initiated into Kṛṣṇa consciousness...",
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"content": "\n So initiation means the beginning. The very word initiation means if you are engaged in some work, just in the beginning, that is called initiation. Initiation is not the end. Initiation means you agree to enter into the world of enlightenment. And if you make progress, then more you make progress, more you become enlightened. Initiation means is the beginning. This is the dictionary word meaning, initiation. What is that meaning, Hayagrīva? Initiation? Is that?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Beginning.",
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"content": "\n Beginning. If you begin, agree to execute Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that is called initiation.",
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"content": "\n How many other people are there on this planet who have made as much spiritual progress as you have?",
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"content": "\n Many. But not many, but there are many also. But there is no statistics in my possession. But... The formula is that what is the use of taking statistics how many there are? Why don't you become one of them? [laughter] Why you are wasting time in that way? These are not very intellectual questions. You just try to become enlightened. What is use of who is enlightened or not? You try to be enlightened. That's all.\nYou are going somewhere, purchasing the plane ticket. Do you ask, \"How many tickets you have sold?\" Huh? What is the use of? You just purchase your ticket and get on the airplane and go. [laughter] Don't waste your valuable time in that way. If you are serious, just purchase ticket and get on the airplane and pass on. That's all. [pause]\nAll right. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. [devotees offer obeisances]\nŚyāma dāsī, tomorrow morning, while Govinda dāsī will come, you will come in my apartment.\nYes, chant.\n[67:12]\n[Prabhupāda leads [kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] [devotees offer obeisances] Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Harry made this. Harry prepared it.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\n What chapter?",
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"content": "\n The same chapter.",
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"content": "\n Chapter Two.",
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"content": "\n Now, the next question is that the Māyāvādī philosophers, they say that \"Because I am now covered in ignorance, therefore I see individuals.\" Yes.",
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"content": "\n Is that a main claim?[?]",
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"content": "\n Yes. My... This individual experience that you are Mr. Such-and-such, you are Mr. Such-and-such, you are Mrs. Such-and-such, this individual experience is due to my ignorance. And generally, they give the example of a disease. I think it is called, medical terms, myopia. Myopia means they see this moon in two. The eyes become so defective that whenever they see things, they see two.",
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"content": "\n No, that's astigmatism.",
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"content": "\n Uh, yes.",
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"content": "\n Myopia is when you have to see very near.",
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"content": "\n I said... It may not be myopia, but some disease.",
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"content": "\n Astigmatism. Some sees, if somebody sees...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Sometimes...",
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"content": "\n Astigmatism. In two, if somebody sees. Astigmatism.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n In two. Is it a sickness?",
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"content": "\n Yes. It is sickness.",
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"content": "\n In the eyes.",
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"content": "\n Because, because the thing is one, but due to my disease of the eye, I see one thing, two. That is a disease. There is a disease like that. So...",
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"content": "\n Usually people who drink.",
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"content": "\n Anyway, that's an abnormal condition. In abnormal condition sometimes we can see one thing into two, divided into two. So now that ignorance, you cannot apply to Kṛṣṇa because He's all-perfect. And if He is not all-perfect, then there is no value of His instruction. A man with defect in knowledge cannot impart instructions. His instructions... Therefore the whole Vedic process is paramparā system. Paramparā system means that I cannot deviate. I cannot make any interpretation. Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg 4.2].\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\nYou'll find in the Fourth Chapter.\nNow we are reading Second Chapter. You'll find, as we have explained in the Introduction of Bhagavad-gītā, that because... Just like I am speaking to you. I am an imperfect person. I cannot give you any knowledge. I cannot manufacture any knowledge. If I do that, then I shall deceive you. I can simply present before you the original knowledge. I can explain it in an understandable way, but not deviating from the original text.\nNow, here it is clearly stated by the Supreme Personality of Godhead that na tu eva ahaṁ jātu [Bg 2.12]. \n[Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.]\nAham. Aham means Śrī Kṛṣṇa Himself. Now sometimes we make some grammatical jugglery of words, but I cannot understand. Now, aham, \"myself,\" when I speak aham, or \"myself,\" is applicable to me. When you speak, the aham is applicable to you. But that does not mean because there is a common understanding of myself between you and me, therefore I..., now that \"I\" and \"you\" become one. When you speak, you say, \"I speak.\" But I say, I say, \"I speak.\" That does not mean this \"I\" and that \"I\" becomes one. So Śrī Kṛṣṇa says like that, na tu aham.",
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"content": "\n Ah, yes.",
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"content": "\n He. That means this aham, Śrī Kṛṣṇa. And na tvam: \"And you.\" That means Arjuna. And na ime janādhipāḥ: \"Neither all these kings.\" He's dividing the whole audience into three: \"Myself, yourself and they.\" And again He confirms it, sarve: \"all.\" He never identifies into one. So this is the version of Śrī Kṛṣṇa.\nNow, if I say that our interpretation of aham, I, myself, yourself, and he, or she, different vision, this is due to our ignorance. You can say. Because I am ignorant, it may be my mistake that I see differently from you. But Śrī Kṛṣṇa, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, cannot see like that. He is above all this ignorance, because He's all-perfect. And we have already defined that the Supreme Lord is full of knowledge. So... He's full of knowledge, supreme knowledge. Now, if the Supreme Personality, with full knowledge... He cannot commit any mistake.",
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"content": "\n How can He commit? Then there is no meaning of full knowledge. If you are in full knowledge, then how you can commit mistake? So this ignorance of duality, because they say that \"We see two because it is due to our ignorance. All, everything is one,\" but here you cannot apply that ignorance to Śrī Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise, His instruction of whole Bhagavad-gītā, which is so importantly taken by all authorities, all scholars, then it is at once rejected. If it is supposed that Śrī Kṛṣṇa was also to commit mistake, or He was in imperfect knowledge, then whole thing becomes rejected. So it is not..., not like that.\nSo Śrī Kṛṣṇa, He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He's in full knowledge, and therefore as He says that \"Either Myself or yourself or all these persons, kings and soldiers, who are assembled here, they're all individuals. In the past they were individuals, in the present we are individuals, and in the future they will continue to be individuals.\" Now, one thing... Suppose another argument is that due to ignorance... Just like an animal. It thinks that there is water in the desert, on the reflec...",
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"content": "\n Water in the desert. Now, in the desert, due to sun's reflection... You might have experienced in the street also, during blazing sun. It appears like water. Now, that animal, because it has no knowledge, it is, I mean to say, flying towards water in the desert, although there is no water. But a sane man like you and me, or a human being, he knows that there is no water. There is no water. So this direction, that there is water, this mistake is committed by the animal because he..., it has no sufficient knowledge. But one, a human being who has got sufficient knowledge, he does not commit that mistake. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Does an animal make that mistake? I thought the animals...",
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"content": "\n ...not see the water that our eyes tell us that there is a mirage in the desert.",
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"content": "\n Yes. I mean to say, any sane man who has got the knowledge that \"This is only reflection of the sun; it is not water,\" he will never go there. He knows that it is useless to search water in the desert. Similarly, if Śrī Kṛṣṇa is in full knowledge, He cannot say that in future also we shall all remain individuals. He says that in the future also we shall continue to be individuals. Now, He cannot give us misdirection. Suppose we, in the future, we shall not remain. After liberation, we shall not become, remain, individuals. Then that sort of misguidance cannot be given by Śrī Kṛṣṇa. Just like a sane man cannot direct you that \"Just go there. There is water in the desert.\" A man with perfect knowledge cannot give you that direction. A animal may go there. That is a different thing. Similarly, when Śrī Kṛṣṇa says that \"In future also, we, all these, yourself, Myself, and all these, they will keep their individuality,\" so that is not a misdirection.\nYou want to say anything?",
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"content": "\n Yes. It is, it is... I'll..., I'll..., I'll give you, I'll give you the exact meaning. Na tu eva aham: \"Neither Myself.\" Aham means \"myself.\" Jātu. Jātu means \"at any time.\" \"At any time\" means present, past, future. Jātu kadācit. Kadācit means \"at any time.\" Nāsam: \"not that we did not exist.\" So na tvam. So this aham, \"myself and yourself,\" na ime, \"neither these janādhipāḥ, all these kings.\" Now, this plural: \"Myself,\" first person; \"yourself,\" second person; \"and these janādhipāḥ,\" third person. Na caiva na bhaviṣyāmaḥ: \"It is not that in future also we shall not exist like this, Myself, yourself and all these.\" You see?\nSarve. Now, here it is called sarve. They never becomes one. Sarve means all, plural number. Here means janādhipāḥ. \"As they are now plural numbers, Myself, yourself, and they, similarly, in future also, we shall remain like that. We shall remain like that.\" Sarve vayam ataḥ param: \"after this.\" This is the clear version of number—you can note down—number twelve verse of the Second Verse, er, Chapter of Bhagavad-gītā.\nNow, now I have already explained that because Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and because He has got clear vision, and because He has full knowledge, He cannot give us misdirection. And what is given, that is perfect. So we have to believe that in future, even after liberation... Now, one thing we must also explain—the liberation, the conception of liberation. So there are different..., five kinds of liberation. One of them, liberation, is to become one with the Lord, one with the Supreme. That is called sāyujya-mukti, to merge into the existence of, of the Supreme. That is also another. That is one of the five liberations. That is not the only liberation.\nThat means we all individual beings, we are individual constitutionally. God is the father or creator or whatever, or the source of all life, or source of our existence. Whatever you like, you can say. So we have..., we have been created in that way. Eko bahu syāma. God has become many. This is also version of the Vedas that many, all these many, we are also god. Just like the fire diffuses its sparks. The sparks coming out of the fire, it is the..., they are also part and parcel of the fire. Similarly we, we are all parts and parcels of the Supreme.\nNow, He wanted to become many. He wanted to become many, so He has become many, and we are that many. So we are not different from God. We are not different from God, but because He wanted to become many, so we have become many. Now, thing is, when God wanted to become many, there must be some purpose behind this. Otherwise, why did He like to become many? He was one, one without second. That's all right. But why did He become many? So that is a question, one must like to put, that \"Why God became many?\"\nSo that is, that answer is that because God is sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha [Bs 5.1],\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nHe's all-pleasure—therefore, without many, there is no pleasure. Just like here I sit down the whole day alone, but I become more active and more pleasing when you come. Whenever we want to enjoy some pleasure, pleasure is not enjoyed alone. Pleasure is enjoyed with many. Now God is by nature... He's ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt [Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12].\n[By nature, the Supreme Lord is blissful.]\nHe's always full of pleasure, full of blissfulness. Now, if He wants to become many, it is... He's omnipotent. He can become many. Where is the objection there? He can... He can manifest Himself in various...\nJust now we have quoted a verse from Brahma-saṁhitā, advaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam [Bs 5.33]. \n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is inaccessible to the \nVedas,\n but obtainable by pure unalloyed devotion of the soul, who is without a second, who is not subject to decay, is without a beginning, whose form is endless, who is the beginning, and the eternal \npuruṣa;\n yet He is a person possessing the beauty of blooming youth.]\nAnanta-rūpam means unlimited forms. Unlimited forms. Ad... Still, they are one. In spite of becoming unlimited, they're one. Just like the sun. If you put here millions of pots, water pots, in every pot you'll find the sun's reflection. But that millions of reflections, sun, does not mean that sun has lost his oneness. Sun is one. That is also a Vedic system, that we are all reflection like that. So anyway, these many, many forms of God is from the desire of God.\nNow, out of these... Because God has got some desire, transcendental desire, to enjoy with many. He enjoys with His own energy because He is all-perfect. Just like if I want to enjoy life, I want family, I want a wife, I want children, I want friends, I want servants. So I have to think before having a wife. You see? Because I am limited, so I think twice, whether I am able to keep a wife, then whether I am able to maintain my children. These things are consideration. And actually, in the present society every young man is thinking like that. You see? Whenever the question of marrying is there, they think like that. But that thinking is due to our imperfectness. Because we are not all-powerful, therefore we think like that.\nBut when we give the qualification to God that He is all-powerful, omnipotent, so He can maintain any number of children or any number of wives. Otherwise, there is no meaning of omnipotent. So similarly, God has become many, and He has got a plan behind this thinking of many. Now, out of these manies, if one wants to merge again into the existence of God, so God has no objection.",
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"content": "\n Jñānī. Yes. Jñānī, not yogī.",
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"content": "\n Jñānī. Jñānī means philosophers, empiric philosophers. Empiric philosophers. Brahma..., Brahmavādīs, those who want to merge into the existence of Brahman, they are called jñānīs. And those who meditate on God within himself, they are called yogīs. This is general definition. And those, those who worship the Supreme as Personality of Godhead, they are devotees.",
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"content": "\n Yes. The name? The name? You say jñānī...?",
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"content": "\n Jñānī, yogī and bhakta.",
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"content": "\n Bhakta.",
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"content": "\n Bhakta.",
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"content": "\n The other one...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Bhakta.",
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"content": "\n Jñānī, how do you spell it?",
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"content": "\n J, n, a, n, i. \"Jan-nanee. Jan-nanee.\" The spelling is \"Jananee.\" So the Supreme Truth, the Supreme Truth is Brahman, Paramātmā and Bhagavān, the Supreme Truth. Now, according to... Because we have already explained that each and every individual being has got his individual minute quantity of independence. God has given us. Now, by our independence, I may accept as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, I may accept Him that the all-pervading Supersoul, and I may accept Him that the all-pervading Brahman, impersonal brahma-jyoti effulgence. So all these are applicable to the Absolute Truth.\nNow, it depends on my discretion whether I want to merge into the existence of the Lord, whether I want to keep my individuality and associate with Him as friend, as father, mother, as wife. Just like we have got relation. So that depends on my discretion. But now, comparatively, if we study that if we merge into the existence of God, the, at least, in the opinion of the bhaktas, that is not acceptable. That is not acceptable. They know that, that \"God has created me as an individual being, so He has got some purpose. And because He has created me for some purpose, I must fulfill that purpose. I must fulfill that purpose.\"\nNow, I can give you another crude example that a, that a..., from the mother... Suppose a few children, half a dozen children, has come. Now, what is the intention of the mother? The mother or the father... Mother or father, same thing—who has taken the responsibility of the children—they, they want to be happy. Otherwise, why people are taking so much trouble, whole day, for, I mean, maintaining their children? There is some happiness. Nobody wants to take so much trouble, but at home, because there is some happiness by seeing the children, by maintaining the children, but..., therefore he takes so much time.\nNow, at the same time, the children has also some troubles of life. Now, if one of the children requests the mother, \"Mother, you have given birth to me, and... But I find my life very troublesome. Better you again put me in your belly.\" [laughs] Is it a good proposal? It is not at all a good proposal. This is a disappointment. \"Oh,\" the mother says, \"oh, my dear son, you are in trouble. Therefore you want to come again into my belly? You want to merge into my existence again?\" Well, the mother is unable. He cannot..., she cannot do that. But if, if such kind of request is made to the Supreme Lord, He can accept that. For Him it is not possible..., impossible. \"All right, you want to merge into My existence? Come on. Come on. I, I, I take it.\"\nBut the thing is whether the son who requests the mother or the father like that, he is sane person. The sane son, the intelligent son, will think, \"Well, my father and my mother, they have brought up me. They have begotten me. They have given us our life. All right, let us serve our parents. Let them be happy, our activities, so that...\" That is the natural way. That is the natural... Because God has created us in so many individual living entities, we are all parts and parcel. Just like father and son or mother and son. Sons are the parts of the body of the mother. The, we get this body from mother's body. That's a fact. Similarly, it is, it... You'll find in Bhagavad-gītā also that this material nature is the mother, and the Lord is the father, and the father is giving seed into the womb of the mother, and we have all come out from the... We have got this material body. Similarly, you see?\nNow, this point, that to merge into the existence of the Supreme Lord is, if it is proposed by some individual soul or individual living entity, that can be accepted by the Lord, sāyujya-mukti... That is not very difficult. But the thing is whether we should think like that, whether it is good for us. That is my choice. If I want to merge into... You follow me, what I say? If I want to merge into the existence of God... Just like if your son wants again to merge into your existence, because you are human being, it is not possible for you, but it is not impossible for God. God can accept: \"All right, you want to merge into Me. All right, come on. I accept it.\" So that not impossible. So that merging into the existence of God, there is a liberation like that. But that is not the ultimate.\nYou want to speak something?",
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"content": "\n Jñānī, you say, liberation from [indistinct]..",
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"content": "\n Yes, but there are other individuals who... There are other individuals who may not agree with that kind of salvation or liberation. They want to keep their individuality and enjoy the Supreme Personality of Godhead's company. Just like Arjuna. In the Fourth Chapter you will..., you will see that Arjuna... When Śrī Kṛṣṇa said to Arjuna that \"This system of yoga was first explained to the sun-god\"—sun-god—now Arjuna inquired, \"How is that? You are... You are my contemporary. How You say that You advised or instructed this yoga system to sun? That means crores and crores, I mean, millions and billions of years before. How is that?\" This is, mean, a sane question. Now, in that question the Lord answered, \"My dear Arjuna, yourself and Myself, we took birth many times, but you have forgotten. I, I, I have not forgotten.\"\nNow..., now, here you see that because Arjuna has taken up that transcendental bliss, that he wants to keep with the company of the Lord. So if anyone wants to keep company with the Lord, he's welcome. There are five different kinds of relation with God: śānta, dāsya, sākhya, vātsalya... I think I gave you one day...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Could you give them by name, the five kinds of liberation? In English?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. I'll give.",
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"content": "\n One is with the Lord, we merge, we merge...",
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"content": "\n Mergence means... The merging into the existence, this is called sāyujya-mukti. Sāyujya-mukti.",
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"content": "\n No, but in English.",
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"content": "\n English, there is... Sāyujya, to become one.",
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"content": "\n Yes, to become one.",
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"content": "\n Sāyujya-mukti means liberation by becoming one with the Lord.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Okay. What is number two?",
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"content": "\n Yes. I'll explain. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Mukti?",
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"content": "\n Mukti means liberation. Mukti means... Now we are in egoistic condition in this material body. Now, mukti means when we shall be liberated from the material existence and we shall get our spiritual life proper. That is called mukti. Just like a person is suffering from disease, fever. Now, when he, he's out of feverish attack, he's called mukta. Rogya-mukta. Rogya-mukta means he's free from the disease. Similarly, mukti means because we are now encumbered with this material body, as soon as we become free of this material conception of life, that is called mukti. That is called brahma-bhūta. Brahma-bhūta. Generally, Dr. Mishra is teaching this, that you, what you think of yourself, \"What I am? I am not this body.\" that is the whole process of this teaching.\nSo we have already discussed. And this is same point is being discussed nicely in Bhagavad-gītā, that we are not this body. Our material identification is wrong.\nSo we have come to that point, come to that stage, you see, that I am not this body. And because I am not this body, therefore I have no connection with this world—because my connection with this world is due to my body, is due to my body. I consider one woman my wife because I have got bodily connection. I, I consider somebody my son because bodily connection. I consider this town, this country my country because my body has grown up from this land. So in this way, as soon as one becomes free from the conception of identification of this body, he becomes a liberated soul.\nTherefore you'll find in Bhagavad-gītā in the later chapters that as soon as one emerges out from this conception, he is prasannātmā: \"Oh, I have no responsibility. I have no responsibility.\" Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati [Bg 18.54].\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nAs soon as he is liberated... Just like a man freed from the attack of fever or any disease, when he's recovered, he finds himself happy: \"Oh, now my disease is now gone. I am happy.\" Similarly, as soon as we come to the spiritual understanding of our existence, then our life will be joyful. That is a sign whether a man is freed from this material existence, mukti.\nMukti can be achieved even in this life. Mukti. Mukti. It is, it is, it is a question of conviction. Now we are convinced firmly that \"I am this material body. And as soon as...\" I gave you the other day the example of Socrates. He was convinced that \"I am not this body.\" So he was offered poison. He gladly took it, that \"What is that? I shall take it!\" Because he was mukta-puruṣa. It is... He is liberated soul. \"Never mind you want to kill me. Kill me. I don't like [mind]. All right.\" So this liberation. This is liberation.\nNow, this liberation is divided into five. There are five kinds of liberation. One of the liberation is to merge into the existence. We, we, we... Our birth was from the Supreme Absolute. Now, after liberation, we merge into the existence of the Supreme. That is called sāyujya-mukti. Now, besides this sāyujya-mukti, there are other five muktis which with, the Vaiṣṇava sampradāya, or the devotees, the Lord's devotees, they accept. They, they practically, those who are pure devotees, they do not want any kind of mukti. They do not, even they are offered. They are simply after the service of the Lord. They are prepared to suffer any kind of suffering. They are not affected by all those sufferings. What they want, pure devotees? They want that \"I must serve the Supreme Lord.\" That is their mission.\nSo anyway, these bhaktas, or the devotees of the Lord, for them there are other four kinds of mukti. And what is that? This is sāyujya-mukti, to become one with the... Now, there is... Then sārūpya, sārūpya-mukti. Sārūpya-mukti means the spiritual body becomes as... The features of the spiritual body becomes just like the Supreme Lord. Just like Nārāyaṇa. Nārāyaṇa has got four hands, with śaṅkha, cakra, gadā, padma, and with the lotus flower, conchshell, club and wheel. So, so everyone who takes that sārūpya-mukti just become just like the... His feature of the body become just like the Lord. That is called sārūpya-mukti.",
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"content": "\n How do you spell it? s, a, r, u...",
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"content": "\n S, a, r, u, p, y, a. Sārūpya. Yes. Sārūpya. This is called sārūpya-mukti. And...",
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"content": "\n Mukti, or mukhi?",
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"content": "\n Mukti, yes.",
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"content": "\n And three?",
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"content": "\n And three... The two I have explained, sāyujya and sārūpya. Then sālokya. Sālokya. Sālokya means you can..., one can get habitation, residence, in the same planet where God is there. That is sālokya. And then the next is sārṣṭi. Sārṣṭi. S, a, r, s, t, i, sārṣṭi. Sārṣṭi means to get the same opulence. As I have already explained, opulence, he..., he gets all the opulences as the Lord has got. He becomes so..., as good as Lord, becomes so powerful. This is called sārṣṭi.\nAnd, and the last is sāmīpya. Sāmīpya means he is always in the company of the Lord, just like Arjuna. Arjuna is always... Whenever Lord takes His incarnation, Arjuna is there. Arjuna is there. Sāmīpya. They are never separated. Just like a husband and wife, never separated. You see? Or the father and the son. Of course, nowadays the question is different, but generally, the family members, they all remain together. Sāmīpya. And the father and the boys and wife and..., they remain together. So there is sāmīpya-mukti. Sāmīpya-mukti means to remain always as associate of the Lord. That is sāmīpya-mukti.\nSo these five kinds of muktis are there, and the, the purport is that even after liberation, we, the living entities, they keep their individuality. Just like as associate of the Lord, as the resident of the Lord's planet or to have the bodily features of the Lord, in so many ways. And one can merge into the existence of the Lord. That is also accepted. So simply merging into the existence of God, that is not the only liberation. That is one of the liberation.\nBut the, the devotees of the Lord, they do not accept such kind of... They do not want to merge. They want to enjoy the company. That is the difference between... Both of them become liberated. Merging into the existence of God, that is also liberation. And to keep individuality and enjoy the company of the Lord, that is also liberation. Yes?",
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"content": "\n Therefore, may I say that the four other ones are what you call the demigods?",
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"content": "\n No. Demigods, they are not liberated.",
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"content": "\n They are not liberated?",
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"content": "\n No. Demigods, they are just like delegated officers for maintaining this material existence. Just like sun. Sun is a demigod. Sun. The moon. The moon is a demigod.",
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"content": "\n And what about the masters who are working...?",
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"content": "\n Eh? Eh?",
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"content": "\n The masters who are working the...?",
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"content": "\n Master is the Lord.",
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"content": "\n Yeah, but there are different masters, or higher degrees that you were calling. You were mentioning before. And some of different degrees who are working on planets...?",
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"content": "\n Yes, different degree. Just like everyone is servant of the Lord.",
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"content": "\n Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But did you...? That's not what you called...",
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"content": "\n Degree. No degrees. Now suppose, suppose, take for example the sun, the chief, chief living entity or the chief man, or chief living being in the sun planet. Now his position and my position, there is vast difference. He has..., he is maintaining such a planet and he is situated there as the chief man or the chief living being. So his degree of power is far, far greater than the degree of power here like President Johnson or something else. You see? So that degree of power does not make him that he's God. He's not God; he's also servant of God. Anyone, even Brahmā, anyone.\nThere is a verse in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta: ekale īśvara kṛṣṇa āra saba bhṛtya [Cc \nĀdi\n 5.142], that the individual living entities, there are so many, multi, but all of them, they are servant of the Lord.\n[Lord Kṛṣṇa alone is the supreme controller, and all others are His servants. They dance as He makes them do so.]\nThere may be..., their position may be upper or lower in different degrees, but that does not make them equal with the Lord. The Lord is different. That is also mentioned in the Patañjali yoga system. Lord is Supreme. He's the great. He's the greatest. Asamordhva. Nobody is equal with Him and nobody is greater than Him. That means nobody's equal with Him, nobody's greater than Him, everybody is lower than Him.\nSo is that question solved?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Now you were using the other day very often the name of demigods, and therefore I...",
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"content": "\n Now demigods, demigods are just like you and me. Demigods, just like you and me. But they have got a degree of power than me and you.",
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"content": "\n Now you just said the sun.",
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"content": "\n Sun, yes. He's also a living...",
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"content": "\n The sun is a planet.",
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"content": "\n Sun is a planet, but there is a controlling deity also.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n There is a control... Just like here, in this planet, when you go up, you see it is ball, but in this ball there are so many controlling deities here also. President Johnson, prime minister of India, this and that and so many things. But when you go up you see just like a ball. So when you come here you find... Similarly, from the distance of ninety millions of miles you can see the sun just like a ball, but it is not ball. It is a..., it is a far, far greater than this planet, and there are cities and there men and there are persons and there are everything. But they are made up of fire. Their body's made of fire. Your body's made of earth. That is the difference.\nJust like in the water you cannot live because your body is made differently that you cannot live in the water. Similarly, the aquatics in the water, they cannot live in the land. Similarly, because I cannot live in the sun planet due to this my body, that does not mean there are no living beings. There are living beings. After all, the whole material world is made of five elements: earth, water, fire, air and ether. Now these five elements, in some planet you'll find earth predominant. In some planet you'll find water predominant. In some planet you'll find fire predominant. In some planet you'll find air predominant. But that does not mean that there are no living entities. There are living entities.\nThe sun planet is a planet where is..., where fire is predominant. Now, according to medical science that by heat and fire of the germs are killed. But in the fire also there are living entities. Just like Dr. Mishra was giving the example the other day about opium. Now opium is a death poison. Death poison. But in the opium also you'll find some worms.",
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"content": "\n Some what?",
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"content": "\n Worms.",
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"content": "\n Worms?",
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"content": "\n Yes. How it this possible? They are also living entities. If I, if I take a drop of opium, I die. But they are living and they are eating and they are living there. So because it is impossible for me to eat opium and live, you cannot say that there are other livi..., that there cannot be no living entities there. Similarly, you have experience that you cannot live in the fire. That does not mean that in the sun planet there is no living entities. There are living entities. Because in Bhagavad-gītā you'll find that living soul, as it is, it is not burnt by fire. It is not burned by fire. Because it is spiritual. The material elements has no power to destroy it. It is not burnt by fire.\nSo in every planet it is concluded that every planet there are living entities. There are intelligent beings. And because in the higher planets there are more intelligent persons, beings, they are called demigods. The demigods means they have got, practically, qualification almost equal to the Supreme Lord. They have got such qualification.",
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"content": "\n And deevas.",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n And deevas.",
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"content": "\n Dee..? Deevas? Devas.",
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"content": "\n Devas.",
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"content": "\n That is the Sanskrit word. Real deva means the Supreme Lord, and when you call devas... These devas, they are all obedient servant of the Lord. They are very powerful. So when you become obedient devotees of the Lord we can get such post: in the sun planet, in the moon planet, in the heavenly planets, in the Brahmā planets.\nSo the devotees of the Lord, they are not loser. They get more power, for controlling power. Therefore they are called devas, devas. Devas means those who are the... There are two words used in Sanskrit: devas and asuras. Asuras. Now the definition of these devas and asuras are like this: viṣṇu-bhaktaḥ smṛto daiva āsuras tad-viparyayaḥ [Padma Purāṇa]. Āsuras tad-viparyayaḥ. Viṣṇu-bhakta. Those who are devotees of the Lord, they are devas. This is the difference between devas. \nDevas, devas and asuras does not mean that asura has got a very ugly face. No. Even a very beautiful man, he can be asura. He can be a... And even a very ugly man, he can be deva. Just like Hanumān. Hanumān was a beast. He was not even man. He was animal. He, he comes from the monkey species of life. But he's a great devotee of Lord Rāmacandra. So he's deva. So viṣṇu-bhaktaḥ smṛto daiva. Those who are unalloyed devotees of the Lord, they are called devas.\nAnd those who are against the obedience of the Lord, they are called asuras. Anyone. It does not mean human being, or the... Anyone. But in the higher planets you'll find all the inhabitants there, they're all great devotees of the Lord. Therefore they are called devas, demigods. And therefore they have been entrusted with the management of this material world. Just like confidential persons are given responsible post in government. Similarly, because they are devotees of the Lord they have been awarded this post, just to be sun-god, to be moon-god, to be Indra, heavenly god, to Brahmā, like that, so many, Marīci and so many. You see? Yes?",
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"content": "\n Are they working a lot with the vibrations of music?",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n With music?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. Everything is there. Why do you think that only here in this planet everything is there and there is nothing? This is our foolishness. Just like you have never been to India, but...",
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"content": "\n Not yet.",
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"content": "\n No, no. I am giving you an example. If you think that the Indians, they do not eat, they do not sleep, they do not marry, that is your madness.",
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"content": "\n That is my what?",
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"content": "\n That is your madness. If you think that Indians do not eat or Indians... Because you have not seen them, but if you... As soon as you know they are also human beings like us... Just like as for my example, when I was in India I was thinking of America something wonderful.",
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"content": "\n Then you haven't seen everything yet.",
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"content": "\n Now I see here there is not at all any difference. The only difference is that you people are fair complexioned, your bodies are white and they are colored or they are not so white. But there are white men also. In India you'll find varieties of color, beginning from this American, European color down to the black Negro color. You find in India. We have so many colors.\nAnd actually I give you my frank admission that when I was in India, I was thinking the Americans may be of different type of people or they may be thinking in otherwise; they may be... So, so many differences. But here I see there is no difference at all. No difference at all. Only some bodily features. Even I study the pigeons, I see, oh, this same pigeons are here, what, playing just like Indian pigeons. Even I see the sparrow. So there is no difference.",
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"content": "\n There is.",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n There is. Besides the sparrows, the other birds, as a rule, here in America are bigger than the birds in Europe.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n The same kind of bird are bigger here.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I admit that. I admit that. They are stout and strong. They are stout and strong. Yes. The squirrel, I see. I saw the squirrel in the park. Oh, they are also bigger.",
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"content": "\n They are bigger.",
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"content": "\n They are bigger. That is also natural. You see. Just like in African people. They are taller. They are taller than the Āryan people, even in your..., this black Negroes, they are taller than American people. So there is little difference of course. That is all right. But on the primary facie, prima facie, there is no difference.\nSimilarly, in the sun planet, in the moon planet, there are also human beings like us, and they are called devas because they are high, intellectual. They are all very powerful than ourself, and they have got different bodies with different power and everything. Otherwise, there is no question... Even great scientists like Dr. Meghnad Saha in India, he, he said that there is no reason to disbelieve that in other planets there is no life. How can you? Just like because you have not seen India you cannot say, \"Oh, there, there is no living being. It is vacant.\" So these people are going to the moon planet. They are saying it is full of dust, it is full of clay, or something like that. All these foolishness. You see? That means they have not reached. Outside they take some photo and they come out.",
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"content": "\n They announced today on the radio they've seen a lot of flying saucers.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Let them talk all nonsense. But we have got information that this moon planet is a very nice planet, you see, and the inhabitants there, they are very intelligent, and the people who perform pious work here in this planet, they are promoted, promoted to the moon planet. And it is very cold also. Just like your European countries and American countries because, due to... You have come from America. America, European countries, people are accustomed to drink because due to the cold climate. Indians are not accustomed. But your drinking is necessary thing in Europe.\nSimilarly, this moon planet is so cold that they live by drinking soma-rasa. There is a kind of liquor which is called soma-rasa. Yes. Soma-rasa. Soma-rasa. Soma-rasa, here, it is described in Āyur-veda. That soma-rasa preparation is there. If anyone can prepare that soma-rasa, and anyone can drink that soma-rasa, he becomes immortal. That means his duration of life increases. Increases. So anyway, these descriptions are there. So there are intelligent living beings there also.",
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"content": "\n What kind of bodies do they have?",
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"content": "\n Eh?",
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"content": "\n What kind of bodies...",
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"content": "\n The body may be different. Just like your body is different from me.",
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"content": "\n Yes, but we're the same in...",
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"content": "\n That does not mean, because you have got a different body, therefore you are not a living being. Or because I have got a different body from you, I am not a living being. So body... Because a living soul is not the body, he might have different body. That doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. Why should we consider..., identify with the body? The whole question is there. The body, you'll find your body is different from animal body. Animal is different from human body. Or the so many difference of body.\nBut the four principles of bodily wants, āhāra... Āhāra means requiring some foodstuff, and nidrā, sleeping, and fearing and mating. These four principles you'll find in the birds, in the animals, in the human beings, or even the devatās, or gods, or everywhere you'll find, these four principles. The only difference between the animal and higher, developed consciousness living being is that they are God conscious. They accept the Supreme Lord. That makes the difference between lower animals and others.\nI think we will stop here. [end]",
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"content": "\n We're reading from Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, in the chapter entitled \"Karma-Yoga,\" page 104, verse thirty-one. \"One who executes his duty according to My injunction and who follows this teaching faithfully becomes free from the bondage of fruitive actions.\"\nPurport: \"This injunction of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, is the essence of all Vedic wisdom.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. What is Vedic wisdom? Vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ [Bg. 15.15].\n[I am seated in everyone's heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas am I to be known; indeed I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.]\nKnowledge. Veda means knowledge. What is perfect knowledge? Perfect knowledge is that \"My constitutional position is to serve.\" Bring any man in this world who can say that \"I am not servant.\" Is there any man or woman within this world, within this universe, who is not a servant? Can any one of you say that you are not servant? Is there anyone? Everyone is servant. Somebody is servant of the society, somebody is servant of the country, somebody is servant of his wife or family, or some cats and dogs, ultimately. One must be a servant.\nSo when a man comes to this knowledg that \"I am serving, so why not serve the Supreme?\" this is knowledge. This is perfection of knowledge. Nobody can be freed from being a servant. Either you become a servant of God or you become a servant of dog, you must be a servant. So the intelligent person, a wise person, he prefers to..., servant of God, instead of becoming servant of dog.\nThere is no escape, that one cannot..., one is master. Nobody is master. Everyone is servant. \"Therefore one who executes his duties according to My injunction,\" God's injunctions, \"and who follows the teachings faithfully becomes free from bondage.\" As soon as you become servant to somebody besides God, then you are in bondage. You are in obligation. Obligation there is, but that is not bondage. To become servant of God is not bondage. But servant of dog is a bondage.\nSo the intelligent person is he who knows that \"I am servant, so why not become servant of the greatest?\" Just like somebody wants to be worker in government service. Why? Because government is very big establishment, great establishment, he has got many facilities. That is not bondage.\nSimilarly, why not become the servant of the supreme government? That is perfection of knowledge. So long we are not servant of God, that means we are deficient in knowledge. And perfect knowledge is to become servant of God. Because you cannot escape by not being a servant. Everyone has to become a servant, this side or that side.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"As the Vedas are eternal, so this truth of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is also eternal. One should have firm faith in this injunction without envying the Lord. There are many so-called philosophers who write comment on the Bhagavad-gītā but have no faith in Kṛṣṇa. They will never be liberated from the bondage of fruitive action. But an ordinary man with firm faith in the eternal injunctions of the Lord, even though unable to execute such orders, becomes liberated from the bondage of the law of karma.\n\"In the beginning of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, one may not fully discharge the injunctions of the Lord. But because one is not resentful of this principle and works sincerely, without consideration of defeat and hopelessness, he will surely be promoted to the stage of pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. In the beginning there may be some failures. That is quite natural. Just a child is trying to stand, he may fall down. But that does not mean he should give up the idea. Go on. A time will come when he will be perfect. So we should not give up this business to try to serve the Supreme. May be imperfect in the beginning, but stick to it, and a time will come when you'll be perfect, Kṛṣṇa conscious. Hmm.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-two: \"But those who, out of envy, disregard these teachings and do not practice them regularly are to be considered bereft of all knowledge, befooled, and doomed to ignorance and bondage.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. If somebody says, \"Oh, why shall I serve God?\" all right, then you shall have to serve dog. That's all. Therefore he is befooled. He does not know that he has to serve somebody. His constitutional position is like that. He cannot escape. So therefore if he denies to serve God, Kṛṣṇa, then he has to serve māyā, illusion, in the hope that \"I have become the master.\"\nJust like in your..., in country..., in your country the President Johnson was the master. Actually, he was not the master; he was the servant of the country. Now the country has dismissed him; he is no longer master. So our mastership in this material world is like that. Actually, we are servant, but we are thinking master. In a family, I am servant of my wife, I am servant of my children, I am servant of my servants, but I am thinking I am master: \"I am master of this family,\" \"I am master of this country,\" \"I am master of this society.\" Nobody is master.\nThe Caitanya-caritāmṛta says, therefore, \"The master is only Kṛṣṇa.\" Ekale īśvara kṛṣṇa āra saba bhṛtya [Cc. Ādi 5.142]:\n[Lord Kṛṣṇa alone is the supreme controller, and all others are His servants. They dance as He makes them do so.]\n\"Only Kṛṣṇa, or God, is master, and everyone is servant.\" Yāre yaiche nācāya se taiche kare nṛtya: \"Each servant is dancing according to the order of the Supreme.\" That's all. Nobody is master. So this false conception of becoming master is called māyā, illusion. Nobody is master. Therefore one who disagrees to become servant of God, he is befooled. It is said, \"But those who, out of envy...\" He is constitutionally servant, but he is envious: \"Why shall I become God's servant? I shall become God.\" You see? Everyone is claiming, \"Oh, everyone is God. Why? What is the use of becoming servant of God? I am God.\" This is enviousness.\nSo if one refuses to serve God and become envious, \"disregard these teachings and do not practice them regularly, are to be considered bereft of all knowledge.\" Because he is servant, but he is thinking, \"I am master. I am not serving anyone.\" This is māyā, bereft of all knowledge.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-three: \"Even a man of knowledge acts according to his own nature, for everyone follows his nature. What can repression accomplish?\"",
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"content": "\n So at least he is servant of his nature. There are three kinds of material modes of nature. Somebody is in goodness; somebody is in passion; somebody is in ignorance. So in ignorance, somebody, say, he is intoxicated. He is servant of some intoxication. But he is thinking, after being intoxicated, \"Oh, I am God. I am master.\" You see. This is called befooling him. He is befooled. He is servant of intoxication, and he is thinking, \"I am God.\" Just see. Is it not a farce? By meditation he will become God. If you are God, why you are meditating? Therefore they are befooled. The direct process is: take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness—\"I am eternal servant of God. Let me take to this business. Finish.\" Perfect knowledge.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-four: \"Attraction and repulsion for sense objects are felt by embodied beings, but one should not fall under the control of senses and sense objects, because they are stumbling blocks on the path of self-realization.\"\nThirty-five: \"It is far better to discharge one's own prescribed duties, even though they may be faulty, than another's duties. Destruction in the course of performing one's own duty is better than engaging in another's duty, for to follow another's path is dangerous.\"\nThirty-six: \"Arjuna said: O descendant of Vṛṣṇi, by what is one impelled to sinful acts, even unwillingly, as if engaged by force?\"",
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"content": "\n Here Kṛṣṇa says that \"Destruction in the course of performing one's own duty is better than engaging in another's duties, for to follow another's path is dangerous.\" Now, Arjuna was a military man, a kṣatriya. His business was to fight for the good cause. But in the battlefield he thought that, \"Why should I engage myself in this killing business? Better retire from it. If I don't get my kingdom, I shall rather beg.\"\nThis begging business is for us. Just like we are sannyāsī or a brāhmaṇa; we are allowed to beg. We are not, of course, begging as professional beggar, but we introduce ourself as beggar. The Vedic culture is that a sannyāsī, when he comes to beg in a householder's house, he receives him very respectfully, and whatever he wants, they want to supply. But they do not want anything, but the introduction is that they take this opportunity of sitting in a householder's home and talk about Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is their real business. They are not beggars.\nAnyway, this begging business is not for a householder or a military man. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says that \"Don't try to imitate the business of a sannyāsī or a brāhmaṇa. You are kṣatriya. You..., your duty is to fight, so you should follow your own prescribed duty. Don't try to imitate others.\" But one can attain perfection by being engaged in his own occupation, provided he does it in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So Kṛṣṇa is asking him to fight, and he is a professional fighter. So if he fights in accordance with the order of Kṛṣṇa, there is his perfection. This is the purport.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"A living entity, as part and parcel of the Supreme Personality, is originally spiritual and pure, as well as free from all contaminations of matter. Therefore, by nature the living entity is not subjected to the sins of the material world. But factually, when the living entity is in contact with the material nature, he acts in many sinful ways without hesitation.\nAs such, Arjuna's question to Kṛṣṇa is very sanguine as to the perverted nature of the living entity. Although the living entity sometimes does not want to act in sin, he is still forced to act. This force is not, however, impelled by the Supersoul living within the living entity, but must be due to other causes, and that is explained in the next verse by the Lord.\"\nThirty-seven: \"The Blessed Lord said: It is lust only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material modes of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring, sinful enemy of this world.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Passion..., if you increase your passion, then when you cannot fulfill your passion, you'll be angry, wrath, one after another. So this is due to our being situated in the modes of passion.\nAs I have told you, there are three kinds of modes of material nature. One is goodness, one is passion and one is ignorance. So ignorance is the lowest quality, passion is still better than ignorance, and goodness is the highest good quality within this material world. And one has to transcend even goodness. Then he can go to the Kṛṣṇa consciousness platform.\nSo one should not remain on the platform of passion. He should try to rise on the platform of goodness, and from there he should try to be promoted in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is one method. But if you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness directly, then automatically you transcend the platform of ignorance, passion and goodness.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-eight: \"As fire is converted by smoke... As fire is covered by smoke, as a mirror is covered by dust or as the embryo is covered by the womb, similarly, the living entity is covered by different degrees of this lust.\"",
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"content": "\n Lust. Different degrees of lust. Those who are in the modes of goodness, their lust is a different quality. Those who are in passion, their lust is in different quality. Those who are ignorance, their lust is different. It is the question...\nJust like there are first-class prisoner, second-class prisoner and third-class prisoner. So after all, they are prisoners, may be first class, second class or third class. That doesn't matter. Similarly, within this material world somebody may be very learned, rich, beautiful, all good qualification, in the modes of goodness. So they... Or somebody in passion and somebody in lower degree, or even animal life. But they are all prisoners within this material world.\nOne has to transcend this position. One has to transcend even the so-called goodness of the material world. Just like Arjuna was trying to be so-called good man of this material world. He was trying to avoid the injunction of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa wanted him that \"You should fight this Kurukṣetra battle,\" but he wanted to be good man. So that fighting, when he was convinced of Kṛṣṇa's instruction, this Bhagavad-gītā, that means he transcended even the goodness platform of this material world. So Kṛṣṇa is trying to raise him to the...\ntraiguṇya-viṣayā vedā\nnistraiguṇyo bhavārjuna\n[Bg. 2.45]\n[The Vedas mainly deal with the subject of the three modes of material nature. Rise above these modes, O Arjuna. Be transcendental to all of them. Be free from all dualities and from all anxieties for gain and safety, and be established in the Self.]\nThis whole material atmosphere is surcharged with three modes of material nature. So one has to transcend the modes of material nature. Just like one should not try to become a first-class prisoner. In the prison house, if one is a third-class prisoner and one is first-class prisoner, the third-class prisoner should not aspire that \"Let me remain in this prison house and become a first-class prisoner.\" That is not good. One should transcend the prison walls, or come out of the prison house. That is his aim.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"There are three degrees of covering of the pure living entity, and thereby the pure consciousness of the living entity, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is embarrassed by nonmanifestation. This covering is but lust under different manifestations, like smoke in the fire, dust on the mirror and the womb about the embryo.\n\"When lust is compared to smoke, it is understood that the fire of the living spark can be a little perceived. In other words, when the living entity exhibits his Kṛṣṇa consciousness slightly, he may be likened to the fire covered by smoke. Although fire is necessary when there is smoke, there is no overt manifestation of fire in the early stage. This stage can be compared with the beginning of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The comparison of the dust of the mirror refers to the cleansing process of the mirror of the mind by so many spiritual methods. The best process is to chant the holy names of the Lord.\n\"The comparison of the embryo being covered by the womb is an analogy illustrating the most awkward position, for the child in the womb is so helpless that it cannot even move. This stage of living condition can be compared also to the trees. The trees are living entities, but they have been put into that condition of life by such a great exhibition of lust that they are almost devoid of all consciousness.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes, these trees... We should know that the trees, they are also living entities, but they have been put in such awkward position that they are standing up in a position for thousands of years. They cannot move even. If somebody is cutting, it cannot protest. They have been put into such conditional life. If somebody is coming to do some harm, they cannot go away. So the most abominable conditional life is the trees.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"The covered mirror is compared to the birds and beasts, and smoke-covered fire is compared to the human being.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. The birds and beasts, they can move. They can protect themselves from somebody who is coming to harm. But still, they have no knowledge. The same... A little better than the trees.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"In the form of a human being, the living entity can perceive a little Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and if he makes further development, the fire of spiritual life can be kindled in the human form.",
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"content": "\nBy careful handling of the smoke in the fire, the fire can be made to blaze.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. When the fire is covered by the smoke, if you little fan over it, then immediately there is blazing fire; immediately smoke is gone. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, or God consciousness, in every living entity, especially human being, there is, even in the aborigines, those who are called uncivilized.\nThey are also offering some respect to the seas, to the thunderbolt, to a big mountain. Something wonderful they offer; they bow down. That means there is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So, just like a fire covered with smoke, now, if you fan it, if you just try to eradicate the smoke, the fire will come out.\nSo we should take advantage. We have got now this consciousness, God consciousness. Therefore in every human society there is some sort of religious propaganda: \"Try to understand God.\" So we should take advantage of this. But instead of taking advantage of this opportunity, we have declared, \"God is dead. I am God,\" \"This God,\" \"That God.\" You see? So we are not fanning. We are, rather, going more and more away from God. This should not be done.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Therefore the human form of life is a chance for the living entity to escape the entanglement of material existence. In the human form of life one can conquer the enemy, lust, by culture of Kṛṣṇa consciousness under able guidance.\"",
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"content": "\n Thirty-nine: \"Thus a man's pure consciousness is covered by his eternal enemy in the form of lust, which is never satisfied and which burns like fire.\"\nForty: \"The senses, the mind and the intelligence are the sitting places of this lust, which veils the real knowledge of the living entity and bewilders him.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. This is very important. \"The senses, the mind and the intelligence are the sitting places of this lust.\" If somebody is lusty, and if one has to search out where that enemy, lust, is there, so Kṛṣṇa is giving you direct information, \"Here is your enemy.\" Where? Senses, mind, intelligence—there is lust. So if you can understand, \"Here is the enemy,\" and if you try to drive out the enemy, you take precaution.\nWhat is that precaution? You engage your senses in Kṛṣṇa conscious activities. The lust will have no more place to attack your senses or sit on your senses. You engage your mind in Kṛṣṇa, immediately the lust from the mind will go away. Similarly, you apply your intelligence, how to work on Kṛṣṇa consciousness. These are the processes.\nThe Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is like that. Apply your intelligence, apply your mind, apply your senses only for Kṛṣṇa, and there is no more lust. You are free. There is no sitting place. Just like this glass: there is water. So how you can put in ink? Because there is no sitting place.\nSimilarly, if you place Kṛṣṇa in your mind, so lust will automatically go away. Just like if you place light in this room, the darkness automatically will go away. There is no place for darkness. Kṛṣṇa is light. The sun is light. As soon as there is sun rising, the whole darkness of night automatically disappears. So try to place Kṛṣṇa in your mind, in your sensual activities, in your intelligence. Then there will be no more lust. It will be finished.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Forty-one: \"Therefore, O Arjuna, best of the Bhāratas, in the very beginning, curb the great symbol of sin, lust, by regulating the senses and slay this destroyer of knowledge and self-realization.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Regulating..., how can you regulate the senses? Not by artificial means. The yoga practice, of course, is meant for controlling the senses. But nobody can practice in this age perfectly yoga, neither one can control the senses. But this is practically. Just like our sense, tongue. We want to taste very palatable dishes.\nNow, you supply palatable Kṛṣṇa prasādam. You forget going to hotel, immediately. This sort of process is in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We don't simply prohibit that \"You don't do this,\" but we supply something which is engaged by the senses and the mind, the intelligence, so that you do not require to be engaged otherwise.\nPositive and negative. Simply negative is no good unless there is positive engagement. So Kṛṣṇa consciousness is positive engagement. So there is no question of negative. Negative is already there. If you taking nice foodstuff, automatically you give up obnoxious and nonsense foodstuff. But if I say, \"Don't take this foodstuff. This is not good,\" and if I don't supply you nice foodstuff, naturally you are hungry, you will have to take whatever is there.\nJust like sometimes, you have seen the dogs? They are eating stool, their own stool. So I was talking this. One of my students told me that in the last war in the concentrated camp, the human being, they also ate their stool out of hunger. You see? There was no food, so they ate their own stool.\nSo when there is no opportunity of good occupation, one must be satisfied with this nonsense occupation. So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so nice that one who is occupied with this movement, he cannot go any more to so-called lusty and other nonsense occupation.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Forty-two: \"The working senses are superior to dull matter. Mind is higher than the senses. Intelligence is still higher than the mind, and he, the soul, is even higher than the intelligence.\"",
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"content": "\n So we have to come to the platform of soul. Generally, we are on the dull material platform of this body, and this body means senses. And the center of all the senses is the mind. And the mind is also controlled by intelligence. And when you go above the platform intelligence, then you come to the platform of spiritual soul, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is your position. So one has to try to transcend all these three stages of material platform and then come to the spiritual platform.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n Forty-three: \"Thus knowing oneself to be transcendental to material senses, mind and intelligence, one should control the lower self by the higher self, and thus, by spiritual strength, conquer this insatiable enemy known as lust.\"\nPurport: \"This third chapter of the Bhagavad-gītā is conclusively directed to Kṛṣṇa consciousness through knowing oneself as the eternal servitor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, without considering impersonal voidness as the ultimate goal..., end, ultimate end. In the material existence of life, one is certainly influenced by propensities of lust and desire for dominating the resources of material nature. Such desire for overlording and sense gratification are the greatest enemies of the conditioned soul, but by the...\"",
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"content": "\n Generally, those who are under the bodily concept of life, they are struggling day and night. Why? Now, to have overlordship of this material nature. This is material activities. And those who are on the mental platform, they are trying to philosophize, mental speculation. Those who are still intelligent, they are taking to this yoga practice by intelligently trying to controlling the senses. But as soon as you come to the spiritual platform, automatically these things are done, because all your senses, mind and intelligence are occupied by Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nGo on. Yes, go on.",
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"content": "\n \"One may not give up work and prescribed duties all of a sudden, but by factually developing one's Kṛṣṇa consciousness, one can be situated in a transcendental position, without being influenced by the material senses and the mind, by steady intelligence directed towards one's pure identity. This is the sum total of this chapter. In the immature stage of material existence, philosophical speculation and artificial attempts to control the senses by the so-called practice of yogic postures can never help a man toward spiritual life. He must be trained in Kṛṣṇa consciousness by higher intelligence.\"\n\"Thus end the Bhaktivedanta purports to the Third Chapter of the Śrīmad Bhagavad-gītā in the matter of karma-yoga, or the acting of one's prescribed duty in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\"",
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"content": "\n Thank you. [devotees offer obeisances]\n[pause] Any question?\n[pause] Yes?",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? In your purport of the thirty-eighth verse, you were talking about returning to the position of a tree, how it is put into this position due to its previous engagement.., exhibition of lust.",
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"content": "\n Page, page.",
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"content": "\n Pardon? On page 106.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Just read it. Where?",
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"content": "\n \"The comparison of the embryo being covered by the womb is an allegory illustrating the most awkward position of the child in the womb, who is so helpless that it cannot even move. This stage of living condition can be compared also to the trees. The trees are living entities, but they have been put into that condition of life by such a great exhibition of lust that they are almost devoid of all consciousness.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. So what is your question?",
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"content": "\n People that are engaged in lusty acts during their life... I thought that Kṛṣṇa is merciful, and He will provide them with the body which will have as much lust as they want. I can't see how a person could devolve into that body of a tree due to engaging himself in lusty activities during his lifetime.",
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"content": "\n I don't follow. What is...",
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"content": "\n In the Bhagavad-gītā has stated that whatever one's consciousness is during his lifetime will be at the time of his death, and that will determine his next body. Now, one who is very lusty, living very lustily during his lifetime, his mind will be on his body.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So there are many kind, varieties of life. Just like somebody is very lusty, and he wants sex enjoyment so many times a day. So there are many animals, many birds: they are given the opportunity like that. Just like the pigeons, the sparrows. Or there are many birds—the swans, the ducks—they have got every day twenty times, sex intercourse. So this facility is given to them. You see?\nSimilarly, somebody wants to eat meats and blood: he is given the chance to become a tiger. So Kṛṣṇa is giving chance everyone. And one who is very dull, cannot understand, simply, \"Oh, the sense gratification,\" they are made the dullest possible, like trees, stand up for thousands of years.\nSo all these different varieties of life, 8,400,000's, we have got different varieties. Just you can calculate. There are three qualities. Three into three equal to nine... Three multiplied by three becomes nine, and nine multiplied by nine becomes eighty-one. Automatically it becomes more than, er, so many, eight million.\nSo God's kingdom, His calculation, His fine judgment is very difficult to understand. But practically we see there are so many varieties of life. Why? They have been given chance: \"All right, you want this sort of life? Here it is. Take it. Accept it.\" So they are transmigrating from one life to another, one life to another, one life to another.\nOut of many such millions of living entities, one who comes under Kṛṣṇa consciousness by the grace of Kṛṣṇa and His devotee, spiritual master, his life is successful. He gets the clue to get out of this entanglement. Otherwise he is to travel within these 8,400,000's of species of life.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is giving chance, whatever you want, but He is talking also the ultimate goal of your life. Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]:\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\n\"You give up this searching out of your happiness in your own way by transmigrating from one kind of life to another, one position to another. You just take shelter of Me, and I take charge of you.\" This is the whole proposition of Bhagavad-gītā.\nThis is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. One has to give up searching out of happiness according to his own plan, but he has to submit himself to Kṛṣṇa, who will take charge, and He will give you all happiness that you desire. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n Are the people in this age lusty only in the modes of ignorance, or are they lusty in all three modes?",
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"content": "\n Anyone who is in the material world, he is lusty. Maybe difference of degree—that doesn't matter—but he is lusty. Kāma eṣa krodha eṣa rajo-guṇa-samudbhavaḥ [Bg. 3.37].\n[The Blessed Lord said: It is lust only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material modes of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring, sinful enemy of this world.]\nEveryone is trying to lord it over the material nature. That is lust.\nNow, the ant is trying to lord it over the material nature in his own way, and the big politician, he is trying to lord it over the material nature in a different way. Everyone is trying. So that lording it over the material nature is the sign of lust. So you can take it for granted that anyone who is within this material world, he has got that contamination of lust, maybe manifested in different degrees.\nBut who has come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he has no more lust, because he wants to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. He doesn't want to satisfy his senses. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. His aim of life is how Kṛṣṇa will be pleased. That's all. And lust means \"How my senses will be satisfied.\" That is the difference.\nThe process of satisfying is going on. In our conditioned life we are trying to satisfy our senses, and in our Kṛṣṇa consciousness life we are satisfying to please Kṛṣṇa. That is the difference. So my work is not stopped, but the goal of life is changed. That is liberation.\nWe don't say that you kill your desire. No. You purify your desire to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. That's all. Now your desire is to satisfy your senses. That's all. This has to be purified, that you shall desire, but you shall desire to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. Then your perfection is there.\nIn one way it is very simple and easy, because I know how to satisfy my senses. I am doing it life after life. The same endeavor should be engaged for satisfying Kṛṣṇa. That's all. The process has not to be learned by me. I know it. Simply account has to be changed. That's all. So Kṛṣṇa consciousness is very simple and easy. Immediately you come to the spiritual platform, or transcendental platform.\nThat is explained in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta [Ādi 4.172]:\n[Therefore lust and love are quite different. Lust is like dense darkness, but love is like the bright sun.]\nLust and love, what is the difference between lust and love. In the material world there is no love, because everyone is directed by lust. The so-called love... A young boy is trying to love a young girl, or a young girl is trying to love a young..., but the background is lust. There is no love. It is simply a show of love.\nTherefore, after satisfying lust, there is divorce, there is separation. So in the material world there is no possibility of love. It is all lust. Love is only possible when you love God. There is no lust. There is no question of sense gratification. Simply for love: \"Kṛṣṇa is my lover. Kṛṣṇa is my master. Kṛṣṇa is my friend.\"\nJust like Arjuna. Arjuna is loving Kṛṣṇa as friend. So he is so great lover that in the beginning he hesitated to fight: \"How shall I kill my kinsmen?\" But when he understood, \"Kṛṣṇa, my friend, desires. Oh, never mind,\" so there was no lust; simply love of Kṛṣṇa. So lust and love, that means the same thing is there. Simply one has to change the account. That's all. Lusty people, they are working on account of sense gratification, and lover of Kṛṣṇa is working for Kṛṣṇa's satisfaction.\nThe activity may appear superficially the same. Just like these boys in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, people may say, \"What they are doing? They are also eating, they are also cooking, and offering Kṛṣṇa, and they say it is Kṛṣṇa conscious. What is the difference between this foodstuff and the hotel foodstuff?\" In this way they may think.\n\"Oh, they are also typewriting, they are also using Dictaphone and this tape recorder and all this material...\" But they do not know that everything is being used for Kṛṣṇa; therefore there is far different. There is no lust. So you can utilize everything if it is in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, not for satisfaction of your lust. Then your life is sublime.\nWe do not reject anything, but we accept anything. The only difference is that we do not accept anything for our sense gratification. We do not accept this tape recorder for sense gratification, singing or dancing. We accept this tape recorder to record Kṛṣṇa's glories, to record Kṛṣṇa's topics. So this is the difference only.\nnirbandhaḥ kṛṣṇa-sambandhe\nyuktaṁ vairāgyam ucyate\n[Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.255].\n[When one is not attached to anything but at the same time accepts everything in relation to Kṛṣṇa, one is rightly situated above possessiveness. On the other hand, one who rejects everything without knowledge of its relationship to Kṛṣṇa is not as complete in his renunciation.]\nDovetail everything in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and it is perfect. And dovetail anything with your lust or sense gratification? Apparently, it may be very good, nice thing, but it is nonsense; it is lust.\nSo somebody is using religion for satisfaction of his senses, somebody is using Bhagavad-gītā for satisfaction of his senses. We do not wish to discuss all this in detail, but actually there is no training how to use things in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is being now introduced in this movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, how to make everything perfect, dovetail in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo, any other question? [pause]",
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"content": "\n In the living entities such as the trees, which are very much limited in consciousness and ability to move also, are these... It mentions in the purports that they have been very lusty. This tends to show that they have been once before in human form and then have really fallen. But is it also the case that there are, amongst the forms, many souls that are on the process of evolution and going upward in the same way?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Just like you are stepping some staircases. You go to the second floor or third floor, but some way or other, you fall down again. So you have to cross again the steps. Do you follow? That does not mean because you crossed all the steps and went to the third floor... Now you have fallen down. You have to cross again.\nSo there is a regular evolutionary process from trees to worms, reptiles, from reptiles to birds, from birds to beasts, varieties of beasts, and from beast to human life. These are the stepping stone, evolutionary process. But even if you are human being, if you fall down to the category of the trees, then you have to again go up step by step: you have to come to the form of the worms and reptiles, then birds, then beasts.\nTherefore we should not miss this chance. This is intelligence. If I miss this chance, then I do not know where I am falling down again. So there is no teaching; there is no knowledge in the whole world. They are driven out just like animals. This educational institution, universities—there is no department of knowledge how the living entities are working, how they are being transmigrated, they are falling down, how they are... No. A very risky civilization. So people should try to understand this Kṛṣṇa consciousness philosophy very seriously if they at all want their own good.",
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"content": "\n What's the next evolutionary step for these flowers that we offer to Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n From trees, the worms. Do you see from the flower there are some butterflies? You have seen? The flowers generates some worms, and they transform into butterfly. You have seen it. Then gradually they'll become birds from butterfly. And from birds, different birds, then they'll become beast, four-legged. And then the four legs turn into two hands and just like gorilla, monkey.\nThen he will come to this beautiful form. And if you miss this opportunity, again you want to become butterfly, go on. Who will check you? Become butterfly. Nature will not excuse you. As soon as you want to become butterfly, \"Yes, come on. Here is...\" [laughter]\nThey do not know. They are thinking, \"This is a flickering lamp. Oh, let us enjoy.\" Very risky civilization.\njalajā nava-lakṣāṇi\nsthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati\n[Padma Purāṇa]\n[There are 900,000 species living in the water. There are 2,000,000 nonmoving living entities [sthāvara] such as trees and plants. There are 1,100,000 species of insects and reptiles, and 1,000,000 species of birds. As far as quadrupeds are concerned, there are 3,000,000 varieties, and there are 400,000 human species.]\nThese are all stated in the Purāṇas. These books were meant for human society. They are not reading. They are reading all rascal novels and literatures and sex life, frauds, and this and that, books. How they are wasting their time! The other day Govinda dāsī was showing me one literature, Hawaii picture. The boys and girls, they are enjoying this..., what is called?",
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"content": "\n Surfing.",
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"content": "\n Surface. Spending money. You see? But there is no instruction how they are wasting their time, this human form of life, simply by jumping in the water. [laughter] And they are thinking, \"I am enjoying, butterfly.\" You see? They do not know the value of this life.\nAnd the system of civilization who is encouraging them to do this without any good information, what kind of condemned civilization is that? Pulling by force to the darkest region of hell. They do not know, although the hellish condition of life is in the front. There are so many varieties of life. They do not question, \"Wherefrom these lives come?\"\nThe Padma Purāṇa says, jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati, kṛmayor rudra-saṅkhyakāḥ. There are nava-lakṣāṇi, 900,000 species of life within water. We begin our aquatic life. Because the whole world was, in the beginning, full of water, so we had to live within the water. So there are 900,000 species of life within the water.\nJalajā nava-lakṣāṇi sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati. And when the water dries up, as soon as the land comes out, the trees and plants begin to grow, 2,000,000 types of trees and plants. In this way there are 8,400,000 species of life. What do they know, the botanist and the biologist?\nSo it is very serious. People should take it very seriously, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. It is not a humbug thing. It is based on authorized scriptures, Vedic literatures. Unfortunately, we have no customer for this knowledge. [break]",
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"content": "\n Doesn't Kṛṣṇa take any special mercy of flowers that are offered to Him?",
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"content": "\n Yes. When it is offered to Kṛṣṇa. Yes. Therefore we offer flowers to Kṛṣṇa. We are doing service to the flowers.",
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"content": "\n Where will they take their next birth? They don't become butterflies.",
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"content": "\n That may be understood later on. First of all, because it has come to Kṛṣṇa, there is something good. The tree which has produced this flower, he is benefited, because he is offering his energy. Kṛṣṇa consciousness means offering one's energy to Kṛṣṇa. The energy is derived from Kṛṣṇa; it should be offered to Kṛṣṇa. Just like what is this water?\nWater is taken from the ocean, derived from the ocean. It goes to the sky, again turns into water, falls down, and in river goes down again to the ocean. Similarly, we have derived our energy from Kṛṣṇa. Now again if we glide down towards Kṛṣṇa, that is perfection. We haven't got separate energy.\nThis is Kṛṣṇa consciousness: to apply the whole energy towards Kṛṣṇa. That's all. That energy may be utilized in different ways—but to Kṛṣṇa. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nChant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [end]",
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"content": "\nKṛṣṇa says that \"I am the taste of the water.'' So everyone has got..., everyone has knowledge what is the taste of water. Why do you say he does not know Kṛṣṇa? Kṛṣṇa says, \"I am the light of the sunshine.'' So who has not seen the sunshine? So when we see sunshine, if you think, \"It is Kṛṣṇa,'' what is the difficulty? There is no difficulty. Raso 'ham apsu kaunteya prabhāsmi śaśi sūryayoḥ [Bg. 7.8]. When you see some moonlight...",
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"content": "\n It's very, I think, sir, that we must, as you say, live and have our being in Kṛṣṇa...",
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"content": "\n Yes. It is already, but you have forgot.",
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"content": "\n It is unique. It is so unique. Of course, I mean to say...",
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"content": "\n Huh? Why it is not easy?",
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"content": "\n It is not easy to be able to live, everybody... You know what a pāpī I am. I don't think the Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so easy...",
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"content": "\n No, no, no. Even if you are pāpī, if you see... Don't you see the sunlight?",
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"content": "\n It's very easy to see.",
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"content": "\n Suppose you are pāpī. Do you think that you don't see the sunlight?",
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"content": "\n Yes, we do.",
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"content": "\n So if Kṛṣṇa says, \"The sunlight is Myself,'' what is the difficulty, even if you are pāpī? If..., don't... If you say, \"I won't understand like that,'' that is another thing. But if the statement is clear, even if you are pāpī, what is the difficulty to understand it? Simply if you say, \"I won't understand,'' like this, that is a different thing.",
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"content": "\n No, no, no. So how do you explain to a Muslim, he's...",
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"content": "\n No, no, no. You say one after another.",
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"content": "\n Yes, sir.",
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"content": "\n Don't make me distressed. Yes. So try to understand.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n You have raised that \"I cannot understand.'' What is the difficulty to understand?",
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"content": "\n I mean to be able to actually live it, day to day, life.",
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"content": "\n This is a question of... Even suppose Kṛṣṇa says, \"This beautiful flower I am.'' So you are seeing this beautiful flower. So why do you not understand if Kṛṣṇa says like that? This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa says, bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ khaṁ buddhiḥ manaḥ eva ca bhinnā me prakṛtiḥ aṣṭadhā [Bg. 7.4]: \"These eight prakā[?], eight kinds of material elements, they are My energy.''\nSo you are sitting on the ground, bhūmi, so if you understand that it is one of the energy of Kṛṣṇa... Just like the electric fan is running on; everyone knows there is electric energy. Similarly, if you see the ground, bhūmi, as expansion of Kṛṣṇa's energy, what is the difficulty? Bhūmir āpo 'nalo vayuḥ.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n It is very easy to say, sir. What is difficult to do.",
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"content": "\n I do not know what is the difficulty. Lalaji, boliye.",
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"content": "\n [Hindi] [laughter] [break]",
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"content": "\n It is very simple, you see. Actually one who does not understand what is Kṛṣṇa, for the neophyte, the prescription is there, that \"You understand Kṛṣṇa like this.'' Because you are dealing with bhūmi, you are dealing with water, you are dealing with fire, you are dealing with air, you are dealing with sky, you are dealing with mind, you are dealing with intelligence. You are dealing with all these things.\nWell, Kṛṣṇa says, \"They are display of My energy.'' And then again says apareyam: \"These energies are inferior,'' itas tu viddhi me prakṛtiṁ parā, \"and there is another energy, superior.'' What is that? Jīva-bhūta, the living entity, mahā-bāho yayedaṁ dhāryate jagat [Bg. 7.5].\nSo what is the difficulty, I do not understand. He is explaining everything in the Bhagavad-gītā.",
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"content": "\n But sir—for you.",
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"content": "\nSimply we have to take it as it is. Kṛṣṇa says that \"I am this,'' and if you say, \"No, Kṛṣṇa is not like this,'' that is your version. Kṛṣṇa says, \"I am this.'' If you want to understand, just like if you want to understand me, I say that \"I am a sannyāsī, I am a preacher,'' and if you say, \"No, you are not a preacher,'' then how you can understand?\nI am giving my identification that \"I am this.'' So you have to understand. You are writing also, understanding like that. So why do you deny it when Kṛṣṇa says that \"I am the origin. This is My energy\"? What is the reason you deny it? What is the reason?",
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"content": "\n Sir, no reason. Only we are trying to comprehend, understand.",
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"content": "\n So there is no question of comprehension. When you see a spade, call it a spade. There is no question of comprehension. This is a fan, everyone knows. When I will say, \"This is a fan,'' everyone understands it. Law of identification. Kṛṣṇa is identifying Himself, that \"This is my energy.\"",
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"content": "\n Let us understand you first of all.",
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"content": "\n I have no personal presentation. I am speaking only what Kṛṣṇa... Therefore we are presenting Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. Here is the book, you see. This book, Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, which we are presenting, and publisher is Macmillan Company, and every year they are printing at least fifty thousand copies. This is for our fifth edition. They are printing this book since 1968: '68, '69, '70, '71, that, I think, I know they have..., they are fifth edition. And people are reading it, Bhagavad-gītā As It Is.\nOur..., we don't change. Kṛṣṇa says, \"I am the Supreme,'' and we are saying Kṛṣṇa is the same, Supreme. Even I do not understand what is Kṛṣṇa, I am simply presenting what is written in the Bhagavad-gītā. Mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7]: \"There is no superior element above Me.'' So we say, \"Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme. There is no other Supreme.''\nKṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. We say that \"You..., always think of Kṛṣṇa, you become a devotee of Kṛṣṇa, you offer your respect to Kṛṣṇa.'' So we are not [indistinct], because we are presenting Kṛṣṇa as He is speaking in the Bhagavad-gītā, that's all.",
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"content": "\nHow to please the modern world...",
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"content": "\n This is the feeling. You see the effect.",
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"content": "\n What's your feeling?",
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"content": "\n My feeling, I am very satisfied that Kṛṣṇa is accepted by presenting as He is. I must be very satisfied, because before me, who did not present Kṛṣṇa as He is, there was not a single Kṛṣṇa conscious person in the Western world. Now I have got thousands. So why shall I not feel satisfied? Those who misinterpreted Bhagavad-gītā—\"This is this, this is that, this is that''—they could not get even one Kṛṣṇa conscious person, and by presenting Bhagavad-gītā, they are selling fifty thousand copies per month, and I am getting every year one thousand, two thousand Kṛṣṇa devotees. So why it is not practical?",
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"content": "\n In India?",
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"content": "\n In India everyone is Kṛṣṇa conscious. They are trying to forget Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n Oh, we are, I think.",
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"content": "\n Everyone Kṛṣṇa conscious. Who does not know Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\n Sir, that is, we are very poor specimens. I mean every...",
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"content": "\n No. By force you are trying to forget Kṛṣṇa, that's all.",
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"content": "\n Sir, I beg your pardon, sir. We are very poor specimens.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n If, as you said, sir, we are all..., everybody is Kṛṣṇa conscious in India, still I can say we are to [indistinct] problems here. We are very poor specimens. I won't talk in all other...",
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"content": "\n But you do... Don't you... You have not heard Kṛṣṇa's name?",
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"content": "\n We have heard...",
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"content": "\n No, no. You have not heard Kṛṣṇa's name? Then why you are not Kṛṣṇa conscious?",
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"content": "\n We are conscious of the Kṛṣṇa's existence. [indistinct comments by other reporters]",
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"content": "\n Outside..., out of India they ask us this question, that \"In India, how many Kṛṣṇa conscious?'' Every Indian is Kṛṣṇa conscious. Every Indian is Kṛṣṇa conscious. But he's trying to forget Him by artificial means.",
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"content": "\n So you mean by Kṛṣṇa conscious...",
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"content": "\n By nature, every Indian born is Kṛṣṇa conscious, but at the present moment they are trying to forget Him. That is the problem, going on.",
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"content": "\n What part of Kṛṣṇa? Or just part of His life?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa, there is no part. Kṛṣṇa is absolute.",
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"content": "\n He doesn't have form.\nFor me, and for my child, Kṛṣṇa's here child life is very better.",
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"content": "\n For child, and for me or for you, simply try to understand that there is a person Kṛṣṇa. That's all.",
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"content": "\n So, sir, are we rightly understanding that by \"Kṛṣṇa'' you mean some eternal principle, not as...",
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"content": "\n Not principle. A person, like you, like me.",
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"content": "\n A person?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Just so you are talking with me, I am talking with you, you are person, I am person, similarly Kṛṣṇa is a person.",
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"content": "\n Person in the ordinary sense of the word, or...?",
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"content": "\n No. He is Supreme Person.",
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"content": "\n Supreme?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Just like we are sitting here in Delhi City. Now here is Lalaji. He is supreme personality, mayor. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n So we..., we can see and feel and touch Him and be something also like...",
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"content": "\nNo. Take it for example, just like India, the president is the supreme personality. The president is the supreme personality. You have to admit it. You may accept him or not, but officially you have to admit. So in this whole creation, cosmic manifestation, there must be some Supreme Personality. That is Kṛṣṇa.\nThat is confirmed by Kṛṣṇa and the Bhagavad-gītā, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid as ti dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7]: \"There is no superior personality than Me.'' And we accept it. There is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness: \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Person.'' So our knowledge is very easy. We don't make any research. Here is Kṛṣṇa says that He is the Supreme Personality—we accept it. That's all. It is very simple.",
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"content": "\n Can we see Him, just as we see Lalaji?",
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"content": "\n And why not? Why not?",
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"content": "\n But with these eyes or the...",
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"content": "\n Yes, with these eyes. Simply you have to purify. Just like Lalaji, now he is known here. We can see. But he goes in the streets, nobody knows him. So you mis..., might have seen Lalaji; he cannot see. Is it not? Tell me this. One who does not know Lalaji, Lalaji on the street, then even Lalaji meets him he does not see him. Why?",
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"content": "\nQuestion of eyes and no eyes, sir.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Then he has to make..., prepare his eyes to see Lalaji.",
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"content": "\n So, sir, how do we prepare eyes to see?",
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"content": "\n That is..., that is the question.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] [laughter] He said it's easy. I said, well, I know what is...",
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"content": "\n No, no. It is easy. It is easy. Suppose I say..., you say that \"I have never seen Lalaji,'' and if I say, \"Here is Lalaji. Why don't you see?'' and if he accepts, that is... That's all right. What is the difficulty? If you say, \"No, I cannot believe you. I don't think that he is Lalaji. Lalaji, why he is walking on the street? He must be in a big, nice car.'' But if you put all this argument, then it is very difficult for you. But if you believe me that \"Here is Lalaji,'' then the matter is very simple.",
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"content": "\n The question is faith versus the...",
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"content": "\n It is not faith. It is not Lala... When I speak \"Here is Lalaji,'' it is not faith; it is fact.",
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"content": "\n I guess because you have...",
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"content": "\n But you don't believe me.",
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"content": "\n Because you have personally witnessed, you see, sir.",
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"content": "\n That's all. It is not faith.",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes, sir. You are [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nIf you believe me, then it is all right. If you don't believe me, that is different thing.",
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"content": "\nThen, sir, if everybody [indistinct] tell me and that common dream, that...",
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"content": "\n No. Why do I say...? You have to, you have to see whether, whether this person is worthy of believing. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Whether the guru is right.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Therefore guru, guru cannot be any ordinary man.",
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"content": "\n That's right.",
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"content": "\n That guru cannot be. That guru's designation is there in the Vedas, that tasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam [SB 11.3.21]. Anyone who is inquisitive for understanding... Suppose if you are inquisitive to understand really what is Lalaji, then you must approach to a person who knows Lalaji. Then you will understand Lalaji. And if you approach somebody who does not know Lalaji, then he may give you misinformation. So guru is that who knows Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise you will not be able to understand what is Kṛṣṇa.\nThat Kṛṣṇa also very easily you can find out. Take what Kṛṣṇa says. Kṛṣṇa teaches Bhagavad-gītā to Arjuna directly. Now if you believe Arjuna, then you understand Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa taught Bhagavad-gītā to Arjuna, and why Arjuna was taught, that is also said by Kṛṣṇa, that bhakto 'si priyo 'si [Bg. 4.3]: \"Because you are My devotee.'' Kṛṣṇa did not go to teach Bhagavad-gītā to a Vedāntist. He went to teach to Arjuna. He was a family man, he was a soldier, but why he was selected? He, Kṛṣṇa said, bhakto 'si.\nSo if you approach a kṛṣṇa-bhakta like Arjuna, then you will understand Kṛṣṇa; otherwise you will not. They are understanding Kṛṣṇa through me, not before me. But if they or some of them \"something,'' some of them \"something,'' they may be very big scholar, but they did not know what is Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n So first there should be direct...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...apprehension by...",
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"content": "\n Yes. One must be brahma-niṣṭham, śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham. Tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. Abhigacchet means must. You must find out a guru who knows Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise there is no possibility of knowing Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n So, sir, for we poor mortals it is very difficult to immediately, you see, to...",
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"content": "\n It is not a subject matter to understand immediately.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n It is not subject matter to understand immediately. It is a science.",
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"content": "\n Yes, a science.",
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"content": "\n It is a science, jñānam sa vijñānam. So you cannot understand a science in five minutes. That is not possible.",
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"content": "\n Yes. So we were trying to understand...\nNo. We have just come to understand you.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That was others you cannot understand. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] He is trying to tell some kind of parochial [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n If you kindly accept what I say, then it is possible. If you are simply, what I say, if you have faith in me, and if what I say you believe, then you can understand. Otherwise, it is not possible.",
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"content": "\n Can there be an existence without a faith, sir?",
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"content": "\n No. Faith is the beginning. But you have to... If you don't increase that faith scientifically, then that faith will not help you.",
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"content": "\nMy..., I'm answering, sir, that without existence, without faith, there cannot be [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n No, no. That I say: faith is the beginning. Faith is the beginning.",
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"content": "\n Because I take the word of my father..., of my mother, that he is my father...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...I can't prove it. Nobody can prove it that he is my father.",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes. Therefore that is the beginning of knowledge. That is the beginning, adau śraddhā. That is stated in the śāstra: adau śraddhā, faith. Then if you have got śraddhā, then ādau śraddhā tataḥ sādhu-saṅgaḥ [Cc. Madhya 23.14-15]. Suppose if you are..., if you are very much anxious, you have got faith to understand Kṛṣṇa, then next step is to associate with persons who know Kṛṣṇa.\nJust like you are doing some business, so you have to enter into some association, businessmen, to understand the business from them. Similarly, if you have faith in Kṛṣṇa, then you have to understand Him through the association of devotees. Ādau śraddhā tataḥ sādhu-saṅgau. Atha bhajana-kriyā: Then as soon as you have... Just as these boys, they came to me.\nAfter association they wanted to be initiated: \"Swami, please initiate.'' That is called bhajana-kriyā. Ādau śraddhā tataḥ sādhu-saṅgaḥ atha bhajana kriyā. And if you are performing bhajana kriyā nicely, then anartha-nivṛttiḥ syāt, then all misgivings will go away.",
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"content": "\n Anartha visya.",
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"content": "\n Anartha-nivṛttiḥ syāt. Then nobody will question. All questions will be anartha-nivṛttiḥ, all doubts gone. Then niṣṭhā, firm faith. Then firm faith, niṣṭhā. Then taste. Whenever there is Kṛṣṇa topics, immediately he go. Tato niṣṭhā...",
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"content": "\n Taste?",
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"content": "\n Taste, ruciḥ.",
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"content": "\n Ācchā. Taste, ruciḥ.",
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"content": "\n Tato niṣṭhā tataḥ ruciḥ athāsakti, then attachment.",
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"content": "\n Tathā...?",
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"content": "\n Āsakti.",
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"content": "\n Āsakti.",
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"content": "\n Mayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ [Bg. 7.1]. That is Kṛṣṇa says, mayi āsakta. We have to increase our āsakta, attachment, for Kṛṣṇa by this process. Tathāsakti tataḥ bhāvaḥ. Then you will see Kṛṣṇa everywhere. That is kṛṣṇa prema.",
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"content": "\n That is bhāva. That is at last...",
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"content": "\n Yes, not last. Last but one. The last stage is you can not live without Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n What do you call in Sanskrit, sir?",
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"content": "\n That is called, first of all bhāvaḥ, then prema, prema, kṛṣṇa prema. That is our highest perfection. Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu is speaking that \"I am seeing everything vacant without Kṛṣṇa.'' Śūnyāyitaṁ jagat sarvaṁ govinda-viraheṇa me [Śikṣāṣṭaka 7]. That is the last stage of perfection. You become mad about, after Kṛṣṇa.\nSo that will take time. This is the process. But faith is the beginning. Yes. And that faith is also explained by the author of Caitanya-caritāmṛta: śraddhā-śabde viśvāsa sudṛḍha niścaya [Cc. Madhya 22.62]. Faith means such faith that firm faith, sudṛḍha, niścaya, certainly. Kṛṣṇa bhakti kaile sarva-karma kṛta haya. This is faith.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa says that sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. So faith means to believe in the word of Kṛṣṇa, that \"Surrendering to Kṛṣṇa I will get everything. Now I am free. This is my perfection.'' That is called faith.\nKṛṣṇa said that sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja. Now, if I say unto you that \"You give up everything, come with me,'' unless you have got firm faith, how can you do it? That is faith. That faith has to be increased, and then it will reach to the stage of love.",
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"content": "\n Sir, just now we are coming from the press conference of another saint, Bala Yogesvara. He said, his slogan is, \"Give me love, I'll give you peace.\"",
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"content": "\n What?",
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"content": "\n He wants immediate this thing. Yours, in your case, prema comes last. He says, \"Give me love, I give you peace.'' Śānti-prema go śānti lo. [sound of siren] [discussion on siren sound]",
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"content": "\n I think blackout is over. [more discussion on blackout]",
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"content": "\n Shut the shutters on the doors and we'll go right [indistinct].\n Sir, this is the real present ugly reality here. We are being threatened.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n This siren is a, shall I say, a very ugly reality before us.",
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"content": "\n You are already in ugly reality always, twenty-four hours. [laughter] Suppose there is no blackout. Still, if you go on the street, is there guarantee that you will go home?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Is that guarantee?",
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"content": "\n No, no.",
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"content": "\n Then you are always in ugly reality. Why do you say this blackout? This is one of the feature of that ugly reality. That's all.",
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"content": "\n Yes. At the moment I see, but has it...",
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"content": "\n Huh? [laughs] You are all..., you do not realize that, that you are twenty-four hours in ugly reality. [break] ...attended. Padaṁ padaṁ yad vipadām [SB 10.14.58]. Every step danger. Why taking this?",
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"content": "\n I know, sir, but this is collective, national danger here. Have you anything to offer to us as a, as a...",
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"content": "\n This Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Our only remedy is this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. You take to this and you will be happy. That's all.",
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"content": "\n We'll..., yes, sir. I think somebody should go to Aga Khan, to those who are threatening us. Some, I wish...",
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"content": "\n What benefit you will derive by going to the Aga Khan?",
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"content": "\nBut, well, he'll go to the... Supposing somebody is out to kill me. Lets change it, if you can't kill him...",
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"content": "\nBut suppose the Aga Khan does not kill you. Will you be safe?",
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"content": "\nNo, sir. That I can see, but...",
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"content": "\nThen what is the use of going to the Aga Khan? You will die today or tomorrow. That's all. If you want to save yourself, then go to Kṛṣṇa. That is our proposal. [laughter] Even if you go to the Aga Khan, he does not fight, do you mean to say that you will live forever?",
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"content": "\nNo, no, sir. I'm talking...",
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"content": "\nThen what is the use of flattering the Aga Khan? Just flatter Kṛṣṇa so that you may perpetually be saved. Why don't you take that?",
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"content": "\n I was only thinking in terms of collective security, not... I can see your point now.",
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"content": "\n You should know that you are always in danger.",
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"content": "\n Yes, sir. We agree.",
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"content": "\n Oh.",
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"content": "\n The great Einstein said the same thing when he was actually... He said there was no question...",
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"content": "\n That is our position.",
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"content": "\n \"I could any time fall from here...\"",
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"content": "\n And Kṛṣṇa says, \"I will save you.'' Therefore let us go to Kṛṣṇa. Why the Aga Khan?",
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"content": "\n Changing, because he is disturbing, that's all.",
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"content": "\n Disturbing... Your mind is also disturbing always.",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes. You are...",
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"content": "\n That is always with you. Your body disease always with you. Are you not suffering from bodily pains—\"Oh, I'll [indistinct]\"? Why don't you go to the Aga Khan to cure your [indistinct]? [laughter]. So why you do...? You are already in danger. If you... Why don't you realize that point?",
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"content": "\n That I... Yes.",
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"content": "\n Therefore...",
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"content": "\n But we are talking of national disaster.",
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"content": "\n These are symptoms. Just like one man is diseased and he is saying, \"Oh, [Hindi].'' Real thing is his disease. These are symptoms. So people are trying to cure patchwork. We are giving the supreme cure. That is the difference. No patchwork. No patchwork disease cure will help you. Complete cure.\njanma karma me divyam\nyo janati tattvataḥ\ntyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma\nnaiti mām eti\n[Bg. 4.9]",
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"content": "\n Mām eti.",
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"content": "\n That's it. That we want. No more repetition of birth and death. Mām eti. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, benefit of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Yad gatvā na nivartante tad dhāma paramaṁ mama [Bg. 15.6]. If you go to Kṛṣṇa, then you don't come back again.",
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"content": "\nSir, I..., mine was a very hypothetical question. Supposing hundred pure saintly Kṛṣṇa conscious people are meditating or discussing or just surviving together, and there comes somebody, some duṣṭa, who drops a bomb, and at the end of all...",
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"content": "\n So those who are Kṛṣṇa conscious, he has not afraid of bomb. They are not afraid of bomb.",
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"content": "\n How to face such people? We are such, sir, we are...",
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"content": "\n Now they receive bomb, then \"It is Kṛṣṇa's desire that bomb has come.\"",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi] [laughter]",
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"content": "\n [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n A Kṛṣṇa conscious person is never afraid of anything. Bhayaṁ dvitīyābhiniveśataḥ syād [SB 11.2.37]. One who has conception of anything other than Kṛṣṇa, he is afraid. One who knows everything is Kṛṣṇa, why he should be afraid? If bomb is coming, he will see, \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa is coming.'' Yes. That is the vision of the devotee. So he thinks, \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa wants to kill me as bomb. Oh, that's all right. I will be killed.'' That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n We do not fight?",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n We do not fight?",
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"content": "\n No, he will fight. He will fight—by the direction of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n By God [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n Yes. He is not..., he is not afraid of fighting, but he will fight under direction of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n On that, sir, he has put the real question which I was fumbling to ask. So...",
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"content": "\n No. Kṛṣṇa fought. Kṛṣṇa...",
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"content": "\n In the Kṛṣṇa conscious scheme there is also active struggle and activity?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. Certainly. Niyataṁ kuru karma tvaṁ karma jyāyo \nhy akarmaṇaḥ [Bg. 3.8]. Instead of sitting idle, if you act badly, that is good.",
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"content": "\n Ah. There you are, sir.",
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"content": "\n That is Kṛṣṇa's advice. Kṛṣṇa does not say sit idly. Neither Arjuna was advised like that. Neither... Arjuna wanted to be nonviolent, sit idly. Kṛṣṇa never did so. Kṛṣṇa said, \"Oh, you fight. You are kṣatriya. It is your duty.'' And in order to raise him to that fighting position, this position, He taught him Bhagavad-gītā. So don't think that kṛṣṇa-bhaktas are idle, sitting only. No. That is mistaken idea. Kṛṣṇa-bhakta can do anything under the direction of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n You are not escapists.",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n Mahārāja, please go on here helping us. You know, we are [indistinct]. [laughter] [Hindi] [break]",
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"content": "\n ...told me that \"Your Vaiṣṇavism has killed India.'' And why? \"No, Vaiṣṇava means inactive. They say simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and do nothing.'' Then \"You have not seen a Vaiṣṇava,'' I told him.",
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"content": "\n Pardon?",
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"content": "\n I told him that \"You have not seen a Vaiṣṇava.\"",
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"content": "\n Vaiṣṇava.",
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"content": "\n In India there are two major war, rāma-rājya yudha and kurukṣetra yudha, and there the hero is a Vaiṣṇava—Arjuna and Hanumānjī.",
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"content": "\n Hanumān?",
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"content": "\n Hanumānjī. Rāma-rājya.",
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"content": "\n He was perfect Vaiṣṇava. [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n Therefore I told him that \"You haven't..., you have, have not seen a Vaiṣṇava.\"",
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"content": "\n With your permission, may I ask one question? Do we completely... Do we offer any solution for socio-economic problems that [indistinct] can...?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Provided you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, everything will be solved.",
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"content": "\n Will it come by itself, or will it come through you?",
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"content": "\n Immediately. Immediately.",
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"content": "\n How, sir?",
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"content": "\n Huh? That you have to take it.",
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"content": "\n But to completely [indistinct] to follow the...",
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"content": "\n Just like Kṛṣṇa says, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13]: \"These four varṇas—brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra—it is created by Me.'' But you are trying to kill it. Why? If you try to kill Kṛṣṇa's program, then how you will be happy?",
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"content": "\n That is the first [indistinct].\nPrabhupāda: Huh? There is no question of preference. It is His creation, it is there. You are creating, Congress caste, jana-saṅgaś caste. Caste is already there, in a different name. How you can make casteless? That is not possible. The whole world—\"I am American,'' \"I am Indian''—this is caste, bigger caste.\nYasyātma-buddhi-kuṇa... [SB 10.84.13]. So long you will be under the concept of this body, there must be caste division. So we have to come to the Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then there will be no caste. Just like these boys— Americans, Europeans, Africans, Canadians—they have no caste, they have no nationality; they are simply for Kṛṣṇa. That is casteless.\n So are they brāhmaṇas?",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n The foreigners?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Kṛṣṇa conscious means brāhmaṇa. Brahma jānātīti brāhmaṇaḥ.",
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"content": "\n Not by birth.",
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"content": "\n Not by birth. They are brāhmaṇas by quality. They have got sacred thread. That is also there in the śāstras. Yasya hi yad lakṣaṇaṁ syat, varṇābhivyañjakam. Varṇa. Varṇābhivyañjakam. There are symptoms—the brāhmaṇas are this: satya, samaḥ, damaḥ, titikṣa, ārjavam, jñānam vijñānam āstikyaṁ brahma-karma svabhāva-jam [Bg. 18.42]. This is the symptom of brāhmaṇas. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. If you find these symptoms anywhere, he is a brāhmaṇa.",
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"content": "\n Except those who believe in Bhagavad-gītā, not the others, sir. They don't believe in that. They believe in caste by birth.",
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"content": "\n He does not know what is Bhagavad-gītā.",
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"content": "\n All the [indistinct]...",
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"content": "\n I say he does not know what is Bhagavad-gītā. If he believes in that way, that he does not know about Gītā.",
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"content": "\nHe says he's all Hinduism.",
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"content": "\n Maybe your Hinduism. You lick up your Hinduism. But we are creating real brāhmaṇa all over the world.",
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"content": "\n I can see. What Lord Kṛṣṇa has stated, sir, that \"I have created these four castes of āśrama...\"",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n And I as myself, just, as not somebody told me, just my feel...",
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"content": "\n Guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13]. Not by birth. Kṛṣṇa never says.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] the caste.",
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"content": "\n No, no. These four castes. Not caste. We say caste, but varṇāśrama. Varṇa. Anyway, it is division. That division, vibhāga, the exact word is \"division,'' not \"caste.'' Or you can say caste, it is not there, difference? Division, these four divisions are there. So these divisions are not made by birth. Just like if you are a lawyer.\nSo in the society there are lawyers, engineers, medical men—they are divisions. But these lawyers, medical men or engineers, they are not born as engineer or as lawyer. That is mistake. Anyone who is qualified by the real knowledge, he is a lawyer. Not by birth. Suppose a lawyer's son, a big, big lawyer's son, does it mean that he's lawyer?",
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"content": "\n No. But this is what we have been told.",
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"content": "\n So you have been [told] something mistake. That should not be accepted.",
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"content": "\n Well, sir, you should know the problem all that there is a...",
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"content": "\n What is that problem?",
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"content": "\n All the tribal men[?], harijanas, they are claiming...",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n If you proclaim that this is the real Hinduism, the people are getting fed up with Hinduism.",
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"content": "\nNo. No. Why you are bringing Hinduism?",
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"content": "\n Our this system...",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n ...is only by Hindu...",
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"content": "\n No, no. Hinduism is a foreign word, given by the Muslim. We don't find any word \"Hindus'' in the Vedic literature. Why do you call Hinduism? We are not preaching Hinduism. We are preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n By such a social system, social...",
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"content": "\n That is, that you satisfy [indistinct]. But this is a broad Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is broader than any system, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We are not preaching... We don't go to preach that \"Oh, we are preaching Hinduism.'' But because those who are accepting this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, mostly they are Hindus, then you can call it like Hinduism. But this is not Hinduism.",
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"content": "\n Sir, we are in illusion.",
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"content": "\n Yes. It is illusion. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Not illusory. I don't know how far Lalaji will go with you.",
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"content": "\n Lalaji is already with me. [laughter]",
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"content": "\nYes, I am [indistinct] spirit will come with me, then I am [indistinct].\n [laughter] [reporter makes jokes] [Hindi]",
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"content": "\n [aside] Give them prasādam.",
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"content": "\n Sir, would you like to give any message to the Indian people?",
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"content": "\n Yes. You take... My message is you take Bhagavad-gītā as it is seriously, you will be happy.",
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"content": "\n That's all? Take it...?",
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"content": "\n Take it as it is. Don't try to interpret foolishly. That is my message.",
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"content": "\n But, sir...",
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"content": "\n So long they are simply foolishly interpreting, therefore they did not get any benefit. But if you take as it is, you'll get the benefit.",
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"content": "\n But sir, what are we to do with the [indistinct] bhāṣya?",
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"content": "\n Therefore I say I don't try [indistinct] name.",
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"content": "\n Who will name it? Who will [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n There is no question of bhāṣya. I say take it as it is. Kṛṣṇa says, \"I am the Supreme.'' Gītā gave. Why bhāṣya? Why bhāṣya? They... Kṛṣṇa, in the Bhagavad-gītā, it is said, dharma-kṣetre kuru-kṣetre [Bg. 1.1]. Kurukṣetre is still there, you know. There is a station. Why do you interpret in different way?",
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"content": "\n Sir, it is a joy to be with you.",
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"content": "\n What is the use of interpreting Kurukṣetra as different? That is a simple waste of time.",
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"content": "\n Are you a skeptic, sir?",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n Have you been to Russia [indistinct] and [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes.",
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"content": "\n They allowed you to preach?",
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"content": "\n So why not? We are not afraid of anybody.",
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"content": "\n Because they have their own [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n They may have, but the public is not their own. Public is different.",
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"content": "\n That's all right. But you've got to get a visa. How do you... How can you get?",
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"content": "\n Then one Russian professor invited me already.",
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"content": "\n Ah. And to receive visa. Sir, did you give some...",
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"content": "\n Professor Kotovsky.",
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"content": "\n Kotovsky?",
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"content": "\n Yes. You know his name?",
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"content": "\n Well, I have heard of him.",
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"content": "\n Yes. He, not invited me officially, but he..., we had correspondence. He said, \"Swāmījī, you come this side, I shall be very glad to meet you.\"",
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"content": "\n So you went there?",
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"content": "\n Therefore, therefore I got the visa.",
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"content": "\n When was this?\n Twentieth of June.",
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"content": "\n Twentieth.",
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"content": "\n Twentieth of June.\n Only this year?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n How long were you there for?",
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"content": "\n Only one week.",
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"content": "\n One week. With your disciple?",
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"content": "\n Yes. I have created some disciple.",
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"content": "\n Were you always in Moscow?",
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"content": "\n Moscow, mostly.",
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"content": "\n I see. You..., what did..., do they allow some lectures or...",
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"content": "\n No. I had meeting with Professor Kotovsky. That's all.",
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"content": "\n Only?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Kotovsky only. That's all. He couldn't bring some people? Just his...",
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"content": "\n Yes. He had his assistants, I had my assistants.",
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"content": "\n ...and some other people who said \"All right, we'll hear, like to hear...\"",
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"content": "\n Well, that professor wanted to hear. That's all right. So I... My conclusion was that \"Your communistic idea has not very much improved from our idea, because you cannot do without surrendering. Our Kṛṣṇa philosophy is to surrender to Kṛṣṇa.\nKṛṣṇa says, sarva dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇam [Bg. 18.66]. So your surrendering process is there. You have not improved. You say God consciousness or Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not good, but you have not improved, because instead of Kṛṣṇa, you have surrendered to Lenin. That's all.",
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"content": "\n Surrender to Lenin.",
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"content": "\n \"So you have to surrender in any circumstance. Either you become Communist or this 'ist' or that 'ist,' you have to surrender.\"",
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"content": "\n That's it. And you will go to China and tell the Communist [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n This is a fact. This is a fact. You have to surrender to your senses. That's all. And we are simply recommending surrendering to Kṛṣṇa. That's all. By surrendering to senses you are not happy, but if you surrender to Kṛṣṇa you will be happy. Your surrender is there always. You cannot say that \"I don't surrender to anybody.'' That is nonsense.",
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"content": "\n There should be right surrender.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Because you are [indistinct], it is better to surrender and be peaceful.\n[break] ...here, there, here, there, here. Kṛṣṇa says, \"No. That surrender will not help you. You surrender to Me, you will be happy.'' So intelligent person will see that \"If I have to surrender, why not to Kṛṣṇa? Why surrender to some foolish man? Let me surrender to Kṛṣṇa. If my business is to surrender, I cannot do without surrender.'' That is intelligence. That Kṛṣṇa says:\nbahūnāṁ janmanām ante\njñānavān māṁ prapadyate\nvāsudevaḥ sarvam iti\nsa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ\n[Bg. 7.19]\nTherefore we surrender to Kṛṣṇa, he is mahātmā. It is very rare mahātmā, su-durlabhaḥ. So anyone who has surrendered to Kṛṣṇa, they are mahātmā. They are not ordinary men. Sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ.",
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"content": "\n We have to surrender, that's a fact. But we refuse to surrender to Kṛṣṇa. That is our disease. He is not free. Just like in a state, just like in Mahatma Gandhi's time, so many started civil disobedience, but the government brought them all into prison, and they obliged them to obey. Similarly, our position is that... [end]",
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"content": "\n\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.31]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, round whose neck is swinging a garland of flowers beautified with the moon-locket, whose two hands are adorned with the flute and jeweled ornaments, who always revels in pastimes of love, whose graceful threefold-bending form of Śyāmasundara is eternally manifest.]\nThank you very much.\ntasmād ahaṁ vigata-viklava īśvarasya\nsarvātmanā mahi gṛṇāmi yathā manīsam\nnīco 'jayā guṇa-visargam anupraviṣṭaḥ\npūyeta yena hi pumān anuvarṇitena\n[SB 7.9.12]\n[Therefore, although I was born in a demoniac family, I may without a doubt offer prayers to the Lord with full endeavor, as far as my intelligence allows. Anyone who has been forced by ignorance to enter the material world may be purified of material life if he offers prayers to the Lord and hears the Lord's glories.]\nSo the prayer... For offering prayer to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, you do not require any high qualification. It doesn't matter. You can offer your prayer from any standard of life. Not that you have to become a very learned man, very scholarly man, and you have to present your prayers in a very nicely selected words so that poetry, rhetoric, prosody, everything is there, metaphor. Nothing required. Simply you have to express your feelings.\nSo what is that real feeling? One must be aware of his position; then one can express his feeling. Feeling... Feeling should be very sincere and automatic. And what is our position? That has been taught by Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Caitanya Mahāprabhu teaches us how to pray. He says in His prayer, na dhanaṁ na janaṁ na sundarīṁ kavitāṁ vā jagadīśa kāmaye [Cc. Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4].\n[O almighty Lord, I have no desire to accumulate wealth, nor do I desire beautiful women, nor do I want any number of followers. I only want Your causeless devotional service, birth after birth.]\nJagadīśa: \"O my Lord of the universe.\" Jagat-īśa. Jagat means universe and īśa means Lord.\nSo it does not matter whether you are Hindu or Muslim or Christian or anyone. It does not matter. But you must know that there is a supreme controller of this universe. How can you deny it? Therefore this word has been used very nicely by Caitanya Mahāprabhu: jagadīśa. Jaya jagadīśa hare. It is universal. Now if you think that \"My father is jagadīśa,\" that is your conviction, but jagadīśa is..., meaning the Supreme—no controller there. Everyone is controlled. As soon as you see that somebody is controlled, he cannot be the Supreme.\nSo to find out the jagadīśa... The Brahma-saṁhitā gives us information who is jagadīśa. And who is that jagadīśa, or the Supreme? The Brahmā says, īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ [Bs. 5.1]. \n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nJagadīśa, īśa, the same word, īśvara. Īśa means controller. So every one of us is controller to some extent. If somebody has nothing to control, he keeps one cat or dog to control: \"My dear cat, please come here.\" He is thinking, \"I am controller.\" And sometimes we find the dog controls the master.\nActually, nobody is controller; everyone is controlled. But we forget the situation. This is called māyā. Therefore we refuse to accept any controller of this universe, because as soon as we accept some controller, then we'll have to account for our sinful activities. As soon as there is a government, then we shall be responsible for our unlawful activities. But our position is that we want to continue our sinful activities.\nAs such, it is very good to deny any controller. That is the basic principle of godlessness. Why these rascals, they deny there is no God, \"God is dead\"? Because they want to continue their rascaldom without any restriction. That is the basic principle, they deny. But do you mean to say that denying the God, the God will die or God will..., there will be no God? No.\nThere is a nice Bengali proverb, śakuni svape garu more nā. Śakuni means the vulture. The vulture wants some dead carcass of animal, a cow especially. So for days together they do not get it, so it is cursing some cow, \"You die.\" So does it mean that by his cursing the cow will die? Similarly, these vultures, śakuni, they want to see God is dead. At least, they take pleasure, \"Oh, now God is dead. I can do anything nonsense I like.\" This is going on. Śakuni is cursing, the vulture is cursing the cow.\nSo this sort of knowledge will not do. One must know that there is a controller. That is the beginning of knowledge. Why should you deny? In every field of activities we find some controller. How can I deny that there is no controller of this creation? There is.\nTherefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu particularly uses this word. He's not manufacturing that word. This jagadīśa, this word, is there in the Vedic language in many verses. Jaya jagadīśa hare. Keśava dhṛta-buddha-śarīra jaya jagadīśa hare [Śrī Daśāvatāra-stotra 9\n]\n.\n[O Keśava! O Lord of the universe! O Lord Hari who have assumed the form of Buddha! All glories to You! Your heart filled with compassion, you decry animal slaughter performed according to the scriptural rules of Vedic sacrifice.]\nThe Jagannātha is Jagadīśa, the same word. Jagat-nātha, Jagannātha. Jagat-īśa, Jagadīśa. So... And who is that jagadīśa? That is being defined by Brahmā, the first living creature of this universe, in the Brahma-saṁhitā: īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ [Bs. 5.1].\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nThe Supreme Lord... Parama means supreme. Parama means the best, the supreme, the superior. Just like we manufacture... We not manufacture; we prepare sometimes paramānna. Anna, anna means foodstuff, and paramānna means that sweetrice. It is called paramānna. Amongst all sorts of rice preparation, that sweetrice preparation is considered to be the best. So param is used when it is the best or the supermost.\nSo īśvaraḥ, controller. There are many controllers. \"Might is right.\" But nobody is supreme controller. That is not possible. Nobody. Everyone is trying to become the supreme controller, but that is not being possible. By individual effort, by national effort, by communal effort, any way, every community, every nation, every individual person is trying to be the supreme. Therefore there is competition. Everyone is trying to be the supreme, but that is not possible.\nThis world, this creation is so made that nobody is supreme. Any position you place yourself, you'll find somebody inferior to you and somebody superior to you. Nobody can say that \"I am superior\" or \"I am inferior.\" If you think that you are inferior, you'll find somebody immediately less inferior than you. And if you think you are superior, you'll find immediately somebody is more superior than you.\nSo this is our position. And what is God's position? That is described in the Vedic literature, in Bhagavad-gītā: asamordhva. Asamordhva means nobody is superior, nobody is equal. Two things. If you somebody..., if you find somebody who has no competitor, equal, and who has no superior, then He is God. The definition of God can be given in two words: one who has no superior and has no equal.\nAsamordhva. This is the Vedic version. In the Upaniṣad, it is said, na tasya sama adhikasya dṛśyate. Nobody is found equal to Him or greater than Him. Na tasya sama adhikasya dṛśyate. Parasya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8, Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport].\n[The Supreme Lord has nothing to do. Nothing is equal to Him or greater than Him. He acts in different phases by manifesting His parts and parcels, which are all simultaneously differently situated by His unlimited, variegated potencies. Each potency acts quite naturally in sequences, providing Him full knowledge, power and pastimes.]\nAnd His energies are manifested in so many ways. Na tasya kāryaṁ kāraṇaṁ ca vidyate.\nAnd He has nothing to do. Everyone... Take any important man. Take your president. Just like the president of United States of America, he is considered to be the supreme man in the States, but as soon as there was some disturbance in Central Europe, immediately he had to call meetings of his Cabinet and to consider how to deal with the situation. So he has to do something always.\nIf he does not do anything, then he's no more the supreme man. But in the Vedic literature we find, na tasya kāryaṁ kāraṇaṁ ca vidyate: He has nothing to do. That is superiority. If he has to do something, then he's not supreme. He cannot be. He's acting. You'll be interested to know that one European gentleman, he went to Calcutta, and he visited several temples in Calcutta. And he visited our temple also.\nOur temple is Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa, just the picture, Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. So he went to the temple of Goddess Kālī. He saw the Goddess Kālī's very ferocious feature, and he [she] has got one, what is called, chopper in her hand, and it is..., she's chopping the heads of the demons, and she has the garland of the heads of the demons, and engaged in fighting.\nSo he's supposed to be intelligent man. He said that \"I find in this temple there is God.\" \"Why? Why you conclude like that?\" That \"In every temple I saw, that the god, deity, is doing something. But here I see the God is enjoying. He has nothing to do.\" Very nice conclusion.\nThis is Vedic conclusion. Why, if he's God...? Nowadays the nonsense, they are becoming God by meditation. But does it mean by meditation one can become God? Do you think a dog meditates and becomes God? This is all nonsense. [shouting:] God is God! Always God! Just like Kṛṣṇa. He's God in the lap of His mother.\nThe Putānā, the demonic woman, came to poison the child. She came in a very beautiful girl's dress and asked Yaśodā, \"Oh, Yaśodāmayī, you have got very nice baby. Will you kindly give me? I can offer my breast.\" Yaśodāmayī was very simple village woman. \"Oh, yes, you can take my child.\" But her intention was, she smeared poison on her breast; as soon as Kṛṣṇa will suck, then the child will die.\nSo this is the demonic spirit. They want to kill Kṛṣṇa always. That's all. \"God is dead.\" They want to see how Kṛṣṇa can be killed, how Kṛṣṇa is dead. That is their business. \"There is no God\" or \"God is impersonal\" or \"God is dead\" or... So many things. That means they want to see there is no God. Or to kill God. Kaṁsa, always thinking, \"As soon as Kṛṣṇa will take His birth, I'll take the baby and kill.\"\nBut God is always God. The Putānā rakṣasī took the child and allowed to suck her breast, and God is so kind, He sucked the breast and sucked her life—everything finished. And she appeared, oh, a great, giantlike demon. You know the story, Putānā.\nSo this God, this child God in the lap of His mother, He's God. He did not become God by meditation, by penance or by austerity or by following the rules and regulation. Why? He's substantially God. The God's manifestation is always there. That is God. Na tasya kāryaṁ kāraṇaṁ ca vidyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8].\n[The Supreme Lord has nothing to do. Nothing is equal to Him or greater than Him. He acts in different phases by manifesting His parts and parcels, which are all simultaneously differently situated by His unlimited, variegated potencies. Each potency acts quite naturally in sequences, providing Him full knowledge, power and pastimes.]\nHe has nothing to do. If anyone has to do something to become God, he's a dog; he's not God. Immediately. Immediately understand. If somebody advertises that by meditation he has become God, by worshiping such-and-such deity he has become God, immediately take that he is dog.\nBecause the Vedic definition says, na tasya kāryaṁ kāraṇaṁ ca vidyate. Why God has to do something to become God? If you manufacture something gold, that is chemical gold, that is not gold. Gold is natural. Similarly, God is natural. In the womb of His mother He is God, in the lap of His mother He is God, while He's playing with His boyfriends as cowherds boy He's God, while He's dancing with His girlfriends He's God, while He's fighting in Kurukṣetra He's God, while He's marrying He's God, while He's speaking He's God. That is God. To understand God there is no difficulty. If you try to understand Kṛṣṇa, then God is there.\nTherefore Brahmā recommends, īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ [Bs. 5.1].\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nThe Supreme God, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is Kṛṣṇa. And Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā Himself that mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat asti kiñcid dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7]:\n[O conqueror of wealth [Arjuna], there is no Truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.]\n\"My dear Arjuna, Dhanañjaya, oh, there is no better object than Me.\" Kiñcid asti. Nothing. Many places. Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ [Bg. 10.8]:\n[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]\n\"I am the origin, I am the fountainhead of everything.\" \"Everything\" means He's the fountainhead of Lord Śiva, He's fountainhead, the origin of Viṣṇu, He's the origin of Brahmā, He's the origin of Lord Śiva, and what to speak of other demigods, and what to speak of other living creatures. Mamaivāṁśo jīva bhūtaḥ [Bg. 15.7]:\n[The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.]\n\"All these living creatures, they are all My parts and parcel.\" Therefore He is the origin. And in the Brahma-saṁhitā, the Brahmā in his saṁhitā—saṁhitā means Vedic literature—so he explains that \"You are finding out God. Here is God.\" Everywhere you'll find.\nBut the rascal demons are so obstinate that although Kṛṣṇa is confirmed the supreme God by Brahmā, by Śiva, by Vyāsa, Nārada, Devala and many, many devotees, Bhīṣma... There are twelve standard ācāryas. They are svayambhūr nārada śaṁbhu... Svayambhūr means Brahmā; Nārada, Nārada Muni; and Śaṁbhu means Lord Śiva. Kapila, Vyāsa, Kumāra—everyone has accepted. And in the recent years Lord Caitanya, He says.\nAnd the Bhāgavata says, kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28]. \n[All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists.]\nBhāgavata gives list of all incarnations of God, and at the last he concludes that in this list the name \"Kṛṣṇa,\" He is the Supreme Personality. Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam. And all other manifestations, they are incarnation. Ete ca aṁśa-kalāḥ. All these different names of God, they are either parts or part of the parts. The part of parts is called kalā, and part is called aṁśa.\nWe are also amsa, but we are very fragmental aṁśa. We are not as big as Viṣṇu. We are very fragmental. We are also aṁśa. So aṁśa kalā. So all others, they are either aṁśa or kalā, but Kṛṣṇa, kṛṣṇas tu... Tu means \"but.\" Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam. He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\nSo our prayers should be to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore we pray, govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi **. We worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the original person. We are all persons. Just like your father is person; therefore you are person, your son is person. Similarly, your father's father is a person, his father person, his father person. Go to Brahmā, his..., he's also person. His father, Viṣṇu, is person. His father, His father, everywhere—Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Person. God cannot be without being person. He must be person.\nThis impersonal understanding of God, nirākāravādī, that nirākār... Of course, in the Vedic language, when we speak nirākāra, ni, ni means negative, and ākāra, ākāra means form. So negative form. Negative form means not that He has no form but He has no form like you and me. That is negative. Form means just like we have got form.\nSo what is the value of this form? This form will be changed after few years. As soon as I give up this body, this form is changed, just like we change our dress. Therefore He hasn't got a form like this to be changed. Therefore He's sometimes called nirākāra. \nĀkāra is there, and that is also explained in the Brahma-saṁhitā, that īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ [Bs. 5.1].\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\n\"Oh, Kṛṣṇa has got a form, sir? How you say that He is the Supreme? Brahman is the Supreme.\" No. He has form certainly. Sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ. His form is not like you and me. Sac-cid-ānanda. His form is eternal, full of bliss and full of knowledge. Sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ. Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ anādir. He has no source. He has no source. He is original.\nHe is the source of everything, anādir ādir, and He is the original Govinda. Govinda means He gives pleasure. How do you perceive pleasure? Through your senses. So therefore go means senses and inda means pleasure. So if you serve Kṛṣṇa in your purified senses, then you really become happy. Therefore His name is Govinda. Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ, anādir ādir govinda sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam [Bs. 5.1]. The cause of all causes. So He is therefore Jagadīśa. Jagadīśa.\nHere Prahlāda Mahārāja is trying to offer his prayer to the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Tasmād ahaṁ vigata-viklava īśvarasya mahi gṛṇāmi. Mahi. Mahi means glorious. His glorious activities. Don't you think His activities are glorious? If a modern scientist has manufactured one, what is called, sputnik, and we advertising in the paper, \"So nice sputnik. It is flying in the air and it's going,\" and the Supreme Personality has created not only a childish sputnik, but millions and trillions of planets, they are flying in the air—so is not it glorious?\nBut the rascals will say, jagan mithyā: \"This world is false.\" Why it is false? There are so much brain in manufacturing this world, and is it false? Suppose if you decorate this temple and invite some friend, if he says, \"Oh, this is all false,\" is it not decrying or insulting you? You decorate this temple so nicely, you prepare very nice foodstuff, and he says, \"Oh, this is all false.\" Why? That means he has no appreciation. He's prosaic, he's dull, he's a rascal.\nSo therefore devotees, they appreciate, \"O God, O Kṛṣṇa, how nice You are. How nicely You have manufactured these trees, these flowers, the sky, the planets, the sun, the moon.\" And he becomes overwhelmed with joy: \"Oh, my God is so great.\" And the rascal says it is false. [chuckles] You see how much rascaldom? False. Is it false? If you want to construct one building, you have to work hard your whole life, and if I say, \"It is false,\" how much insulted you are. So they do not know; they have no idea what is God. Yes.\nSo here Prahlāda Mahārāja says, īśvarasya mahi gṛṇāmi: \"I shall glorify the Lord.\" \"Oh, you are a child, sir. You are five years old. How you can glorify?\" Yathā manīṣam! \"It doesn't matter I am child. Whatever I have got, I shall express my feelings, 'O God, O Lord, oh, You have..., You are so great.' \" That's all right. How you can describe or understand His glories? That is not possible. He's unlimited. But whatever limitation you have got, if you express feelingly, \"My God, My Lord,\" that will be accepted. That will be accepted.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore teaches us how to pray. This prayer is, na dhanaṁ na janaṁ na sundariṁ kavitāṁ vā jagadīśa kāmaye [Cc. Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4].\n[O almighty Lord, I have no desire to accumulate wealth, nor do I desire beautiful women, nor do I want any number of followers. I only want Your causeless devotional service, birth after birth.]\nEveryone is praying to God with some interest. That is also good. If you go and pray to God, \"Give me some money\" or \"Give me some relief,\" \"Give me a nice house, nice wife, nice foodstuff,\" that is also good. But not so good as one is praying to God that \"I don't want any money. I don't want any number of followers. I don't want any good wife, nice, beautiful wife.\" \"Then what do you want?\" \"I want to serve You. That's all.\" Finish your prayer.\nThat is the best prayer: \"You are so good, You are so nice, You are so great that I want to be engaged in Your service. I am serving these rascals. They are not satisfied, I am not satisfied. Now I have come to You. Please engage me in Your service.\" That is the last word of prayer.\nThank you.\n[break] Any...?\n[break] Where is Jayapatākā?",
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"content": "\n He's working.\n If Prahlāda Mahārāja is such a great devotee, and a devotee will always say[?], \"Nothing is mine,\" then why does he say, \"O my God\"? Why does God become his? Why he says like that?",
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"content": "\n Do you mean to say nothin..., God is nothing?",
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"content": "\n No. I mean why does he say \"my God.\" Why \"my God\"?",
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"content": "\n Then what shall he say?",
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"content": "\n I don't understand then how can he say it? If you understand nothing belongs to you, then how can you say \"mine,\" anything \"mine\"?",
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"content": "\n Anything mine?",
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"content": "\n How can you say that \"God is mine\"?",
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"content": "\n So? What is your idea? He should be addressed? He should not say \"my Lord\"?",
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"content": "\n No. You know it. He's Lord of everyone. Therefore everyone can say \"my Lord.\" That does not mean if somebody says \"my Lord,\" He becomes monopolized. [chuckles] It does not mean. You are speaking on the platform of monopolizing, \"mine.\" But God is never monopolized. He's everyone's, so everyone has the right to say \"my God,\" \"my Lord.\" It does not mean... Generally, in the material sense, when I say, \"This is my spectacle,\" it does not belong to you. Is it not?\nSo this \"my\" is not that \"my.\" When I say \"my God,\" that does not mean He's not your God. That is the difference. In the material sense, when I say \"It is my wife,\" then it is not any other's wife. But God is not like that. If I say \"my God,\" so you can say \"my God,\" he can say \"my God,\" everyone can say \"my God.\" This is spiritual \"my,\" absolute \"my.\"\nTry to understand this way, that in the material sense, when I saying something \"my,\" that is different from when I say \"my God.\" That is different. That is not exactly... As we think in the material way, \"my thing,\" \"my God,\" \"my home,\" \"my wife,\" \"my wealth,\" \"my bank,\" it is not like that.\nBut the relationship... Just like I say \"my hand.\" So how can I express? Just like Kṛṣṇa says mamaivāṁśo [Bg. 15.7]. \n[The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.]\nMama means \"mine.\" \"These, all these living creatures, they are My part and parcels.\" So why the living creatures shall not say \"my God\"? Do you follow? Kṛṣṇa says, \"You are Mine.\" Why shall you not say, \"Kṛṣṇa, You are mine\"? Your husband says, \"You are mine.\" Why shall you not say, \"You are mine\"? But don't take it in the material sense. In material sense, as soon as I say it is mine, it is nobody else's. It is my property. Law of identity, or something like that.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is not like that. So you can say Kṛṣṇa, \"my,\" there is no harm. Rather, if anyone wants to possess something as his, then that should be..., that possession should be Kṛṣṇa. That is the ultimate conception of \"mine.\" That is the perfection of the word \"mine.\" So it is quite nice, quite fit to... Teṣu te mayi [Bg. 7.12], in the Bhagavad-gītā.\n[All states of being-be they of goodness, passion or ignorance-are manifested by My energy. I am, in one sense, everything—but I am independant. I am not under the modes of this material nature.]\n\"He is Mine and I am his,\" Kṛṣṇa says. So this is not wrong. And what is your idea, that because everything belongs to Kṛṣṇa, therefore I shall not say \"my\"? That's your idea?",
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"content": "\n No, I didn't understand it like this, that Kṛṣṇa is the Lord. So my Lord is everyone else's Lord, and He's the controller, and that's why He's mine.",
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"content": "\n He's mine, He's your, everyone's. That's all.",
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"content": "\n I can understand it now.",
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"content": "\n That's all.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n How does [one] feel so far away from you when you're not here?",
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"content": "\n Janārdana?",
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"content": "\n I feel so far away from you, you know, when you're not here.\n She's saying she feels so far away from you when you are not here.",
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"content": "\n Oh, that you should not think. If... The words... There are two conceptions: the physical conception and the vibration conception. So physical conception is temporary. The vibration conception is eternal. Just like we are enjoying, or we are relishing, the vibration of Kṛṣṇa's teachings. So by vibration He is present.\nAs soon as we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa or chant Bhagavad-gītā or Bhāgavata, so He is present immediately by His vibration. He's absolute. Therefore vibration is more important than physical presence. When you feel separation from your spiritual master, you just try to remember His words of instruction; you'll not feel separation. You'll feel that He is with you.\nSo we should associate by the vibration, and not by the physical presence. That is real association. Śabdād anavṛtti [Vedānta-sūtra 4.4.22]: by sound. Just like we are touching Kṛṣṇa immediately by sound, sound vibration. So we should give more stress on the sound vibration, either of Kṛṣṇa or of the spiritual master. Then we'll feel happy and no separation. When Kṛṣṇa departed from this world, at that time Arjuna was overwhelmed with sorrow, and he began to remember the instruction of Bhagavad-gītā. You'll find in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\nThen he was pacified. He immediately began to remember the teachings which was taught to him in the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra, and he was pacified. He was his constant friend, so when Kṛṣṇa went to His abode he was feeling overwhelmed, but he began to remember His teaching. So whenever we shall feel separation, the best thing is to remember the teachings. Then it will be very nice.\nIs that clear? Yes.\nSo you can chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Janārdana, you can play mṛdaṅga. Yes. [end]",
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"content": "\nSomewhere in the world somebody will say it is half-past twelve, somebody will say half-past seven, somebody will say… So many, twenty-four hours. So the sun is the same one, but in one place they will say it is half-past six, in another place it is half-past seven. How it is going on? In our calculation this sun, as you have seen, this half-past five sun, you cannot make it half-past eight. But it is half-past eight also...",
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"content": "\n Elsewhere.",
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"content": "\n...at the same time.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\nSo if it is possible for an ordinary material thing like that, why it is not possible God, the Absolute, to become a child and a youth at the same time, simultaneously? Why is it not possible? Your question is how God became child. So my answer is God is child and youth at the same time. That is God [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nAnd I agree God is in children and in...",
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"content": "\nNot in children. God is child Himself and youth Himself at the same time. It is not that… I am not saying that sun is revealed this time. Sun is there in the sky. But still the times are different.",
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"content": "\nThat means that God can reveal Himself in many different forms.",
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"content": "\nYes. That is explained in the Vedas: advaitam. Advaita means one. Dvaita means dual. But He is advaita. He is one. Acyuta, infallible. Advaitam acyutam. Anādi: He has no beginning. Advaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam [Bs. 5.33]. Still He has got millions of forms. Advaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam ādyaṁ purāṇa-puruṣaṁ. Purāṇa means the oldest. Because everything has come from God, then God must be oldest.\nJust like you have come from your father, your father must be older than you, your grandfather must be older than him. Similarly, if God is the original person, then He must be the oldest. Advaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam ādyaṁ purāṇa-puruṣaṁ. Purāṇa, the oldest. Nava-yauvanaṁ ca: and at the same time He is youthful. Just like in Kṛṣṇa book, you see. He is fully youth, although He is the oldest. Advaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam.",
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"content": "\nWhich is… Who is Kṛṣṇa [indistinct]? Who is Kṛṣṇa [indistinct]?\nOh, the one in blue. And the other one?",
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"content": "\nRādhārani—His consort. Consort.",
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"content": "\nConsort.",
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"content": "\nHis pleasure potency.",
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"content": "\nSo you think Kṛṣṇa is a living God?",
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"content": "\nGod is always living.",
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"content": "\nHe is in this world, not in another special place?",
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"content": "\nIn another place also. That is God.",
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"content": "\nAnother place also?",
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"content": "\nJust like you are sitting. You are not in your office, not your home, but God can be here and everywhere. That is God. Just like the sun is here, and ten thousand miles away you ask somebody, he will say, \"Yes, the sun is here.\" How it is possible? But it is fact. It is shining here, and the Western countries in Europe you ask, \"Where is the sun?\" they will say, \"Yes, here.\" How it is possible?\nAt noontime in your country, ask anyone five thousand miles away, ten thousand miles away, like that, \"Where is sun?\" And they will say, \"It is on my head.\" How it is possible? So if it is possible for a material thing, how much it is greatly possible for God. He is the Supreme. That is knowledge.",
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"content": "\nIs God having a material construction?",
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"content": "\nNo. That is the difference. Material world you have got material construction. You cannot be simultaneously here and in your office.",
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"content": "\nSo the material construction…, I mean is my body is materially constructed. That is what I am referring to. And I was asking whether God…",
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"content": "\nGod's body is not materially constructed. Your present body is materially constructed. Therefore I say that you are covered by the material body; but you are not material. These things are explained in the Bhagavad-gītā very nicely.",
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"content": "\nBut if Kṛṣṇa is God, how it is that His humans have a material construction of the body?",
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"content": "\nJust to make your seeing possible. Just like, here is God—Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. He is God, but because we cannot see God, He has kindly appeared just suitable for my seeing. That is His mercy.",
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"content": "\nAnd is He actual to be photographed?",
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"content": "\nWhy not?",
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"content": "\nBecause He is photographed here.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nAnd not only that. Here, I realized…",
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"content": "\nThat I have already explained. God can appear in different places, because He is omnipotent, all-powerful. Because you cannot see God with your eyes; therefore He appears before you in such a form that you can see Him. Just like the whole world, you cannot see some [indistinct]. If there is a map you can see here is London, here is Germany, here is river. You can see the river in the map. The map is made in such a way that it is possible to see the whole world on your hand. Is it not?\nThen God cannot make Himself easily accessible to you by His mercy? Then what is His all-merciful? If He appears to be visible by you, it can be fault on the part of God? That is [indistinct]. He appears in a form so that you can see, you can render your service. God is everywhere; that's all right. But unless He appears before you in a form, how you can render your service? So just like post office box, mailbox. So it is post office? The mailbox, you put your letter on the street.",
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"content": "\nA part of post office. All post office property.",
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"content": "\nNo, it is post office, practically. Because you are putting your letter there, it is going to the destination.",
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"content": "\nSimilarly, if the post office gives you some facility to become a small post office, so why God is unable to become small so that you may render your service? Why you say that He cannot? That is God is under your law, that He cannot. If you say, \"Ah, here is a small box; it cannot be post office. Post office is very big,\" is that very good argument? So if it is possible how the post office, why it is not possible for God to become just in the form you can handle? It is God's mercy, but He accepts everything what you serve. This is called omnipotency.\nBhagavad-gītā describes. He says that \"I have got My hands everywhere. I have got My eyes everywhere. I have got My legs everywhere.\" Simply you have to catch where is God's hand, where is God's legs. Just like electricity is everywhere. The electrical appliance has captured the electricity. Similarly, God is everywhere; simply you have to know the art how to catch His legs, His legs and hands.",
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"content": "\nAs if you have just come to the… At least we are thinking something about God. Had we not tried ourselves, we would have not been here.",
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"content": "\nSo you try to understand there is a big science of God, bhagavat-jñāna, bhagavat tattva. That is explained preliminarily in Bhagavad-gītā. You try to understand. You'll understand what is God.",
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"content": "\nWhat is the relationship of Jesus Christ?",
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"content": "\nThat is different. Jesus is the son of God. He says, \"I am son of God.\" So we accept him as son of God.",
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"content": "\nIt now appears that we are going to concentrate on serious studies. And we have misunderstood Kṛṣṇa before. Not now. Now we have accept Kṛṣṇa as God Himself. Particularly [indistinct] and myself, I did not understand Kṛṣṇa as God before. I took Him just as the Christians take Jesus in the Christian religion. So I took Kṛṣṇa as, well, something like the [indistinct] as the Christians, in the Hindu religion. Now…, this means now we are going to concentrate on Kṛṣṇa Himself, and then will that also carry you the all knowledge of the Hinduism and all these things? State religion?",
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"content": "\nWell, our religion is Kṛṣṇa consciousness: to understand Kṛṣṇa. And to understand Kṛṣṇa means to understand everything. In course of understanding Kṛṣṇa, you will understand everything.",
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"content": "\nAnd does it mean that I have to understand, say, all about other, say, say like the Śiva or the Durgā, and all these…?",
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"content": "\nYes. If you understand Kṛṣṇa… Just like if you understand what is milk, you can understand what is milk products. Lord Śiva is said in the Vedic language, just like curd.",
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"content": "\nCurd.",
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"content": "\nCurd, yogurt. What is this yogurt? It is milk. Is it not? Is it not? Similarly, the description of Lord Śiva is there in the Vedic literature,\nkṣīraṁ yathā dadhi vikāra-viśeṣa-yogāt\nsañjāyate na hi tataḥ pṛthag asti hetoḥ\n[Bs. 5.45]\nKṣīraṁ means milk. As it is combined with some sour chemical it becomes curd—dadhi. Dadhi, yogurt. It has no other source. Similarly, when Lord, the Supreme Lord, generates this material world, He is called Lord Śiva. Therefore just like yogurt is milk, but milk is not yogurt, similarly Lord Śiva is Kṛṣṇa, but Kṛṣṇa is not Śiva. Or Kṛṣṇa is Lord Śiva, but Śiva is not Kṛṣṇa. You can understand easily also, just like your body is your father's body, but you are not your father's body. So you will understand all these things. If you try to understand Kṛṣṇa only, then you will become fully aware of everything. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\nDoes the word Kṛṣṇa got particular meaning, the word Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\nYes, Kṛṣṇa means all-attractive. All-attractive. When one becomes attractive… Have you got any idea what are the qualification of attraction? Now, suppose you are president. If president comes here, everyone will stand up—attraction. Why? What is the qualification?",
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"content": "\nWell, it goes from..., sort of a [indistinct], called greatness.",
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"content": "\nYes. He has got some great power within the state. Therefore power is one of the qualification of attraction.",
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"content": "\nHe is famous.",
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"content": "\nHe is famous. That is quality of attraction. If he is not beautiful… But God is beautifuller; therefore there is attraction. A president may be president in his country, but he'll never be a wise man. But God is wise. God is fully wise, God is fully beautiful, God is fully strong, God is fully rich, God is fully renounced. This is God's creation, but you cannot see God personally here throughout the whole universe.\nHow [indistinct]. So He has created... We are after a little more piece of land and fight, and God has created so many planetary systems, and He doesn't care for it. Just see how much renunciation. If I create a small house like this, I become so much attached that I can sacrifice my whole life for this. But God has created the whole universe—ananta-koṭi, innumerable universes—and He has no attachment for them. That is called renunciation.\nSo who can be more than God a renounced person? Who can be richer person? Who can be powerful person? Asamordhva. Another name of God is Asamordhva—nobody is equal to Him; nobody is greater than Him. That is called asamordhva—ūrdhva means greater; asama means equal… Sama. Sama means equal. Sama means negative, none. Asama, \"non-equal.\" Amordhva, not for them. Everyone is under Him. It may be Lord Śiva, it may be Lord Brahmā, it may be Lord Viṣṇu even—everyone is under Kṛṣṇa.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nmattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat\nkiñcid asti dhanañjaya\n[Bg. 7.7]\nYou'll find in this Bhagavad-gītā: mattaḥ—\"above Me\"; para-taram—\"greater.\" Mattah-parataram; na anyat—\"nothing else.\" Nothing else is greater or equal to Kṛṣṇa. Then how Lord Śiva can be equal to Kṛṣṇa? Nobody can be equal to Kṛṣṇa. That is God: nobody is equal to Him, and nobody is greater than Him. \"God is great\" means that nobody is greater than Him.\nSo you have to find out who is that person who is greater than everyone. And that is Kṛṣṇa. Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ [Bs. 5.1]. Paramaḥ means supreme; īśvaraḥ means controller. You are also controller. You are in your office, you are controlling your assistants, some clerk. Is it not? So you are controller, every one of us, controller.\nBut we are not absolute controller. I am controller, but I have got another controller over me. In this way go on studying: controller, controller, controller, controller, and you come to the Supreme Controller—that is God. He controls everyone, but nobody controls Him. That is God.",
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"content": "\nAnd is this the only time that the Kṛṣṇa has revealed Himself to man? I mean, from our present books we know when Kṛṣṇa was born, and so we know that God as Kṛṣṇa revealed Himself to man. Was that the only time, or has He ever revealed Himself before?",
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"content": "\nBefore. Many, many times.",
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"content": "\nAnd after?",
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"content": "\nAfter also. Just like the sunrise was many, many times before my birth, and it will continue to rise after my death.",
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"content": "\nAnd after this?",
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"content": "\nI am simply a small fragment in this created world. What is my identity, say for fifty years, sixty years, hundred years? But we get from the history twenty thousand years ago, at the time of sunrise such-and-such things happened. So sun was rising twenty thousand years before my birth, so similarly the sun will continue to set or rise twenty thousand years after also. So God appears like that. He has got a particular time to appear in this universe. That is also stated in the śāstras:\nsahasra-yuga-paryantam\nahar yad brahmaṇo viduḥ\n[Bg. 8.17]\nIn Bhagavad-gītā you'll find.\nSo everything is there in śāstra. You have simply to know it. That's all. Nothing is to be concocted or manufactured. Everything is there. All answers are there. Simply you have to find out. You have to make your questions, and you will find your answers in the Bhagavad-gītā. Just Kṛṣṇa says, in the First Chapter you'll find, when Krsna says to Arjuna that \"I spoke this philosophy to sun-god some millions of years ago,\" so Arjuna inquired from Kṛṣṇa, \"Kṛṣṇa, You are my friend. You were born; You are contemporary. How is that? How can I believe that You spoke to sun-god millions of years ago?\"\nSo Kṛṣṇa answered, \"Both you and Me took birth many, many times, but you have forgotten. I have not forgotten.\" That is Kṛṣṇa. You cannot say what you were in your previous birth. That is living entity. But Kṛṣṇa can say, many millions of His births or appearances before, what He was doing, exactly at what time. That is Krsna.",
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"content": "\nAnd how old was Kṛṣṇa, say, when He died?",
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"content": "\nHe died at the… Not died. Nobody dies. You also do not die. Nobody dies. So He left this world at the age of hundred and twenty-five years.",
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"content": "\nDid He have any family?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nAnd was He… Was it correct that God could have family attachments in this world?",
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"content": "\nWhat is that?",
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"content": "\n Is it correct that God should have family attachments in this world?",
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"content": "\nWhy not? Why God should be bereft of His family attachments?",
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"content": "\nWell, taking into consideration that we are all His children, was it necessary for Himself to have, say, a particular family as we are having our families? Because we are human beings, and He Himself is God.",
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"content": "\nHe is playing the part of a human being. You should remember that. He is not human being, but a foolish man takes Him as a human being. I have already told you that God appears in a form so that we can transact with Him—we can talk with Him, we can mix with Him. Unfortunately, as soon as He does so, I take Him as one of us. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā: avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā [Bg. 9.11]. Mūḍhā means rascals, asses. \"They deride upon Me because I play with them as human being.\"\navajānanti māṁ mūḍhā\nmānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam\nparaṁ bhāvam ajānanto\n[Bg. 9.11]\n\"Without knowing the background of My past...\" When we accept Kṛṣṇa as one of us, then we become mūḍhā, rascal, because we have no full knowledge of Kṛṣṇa. How we can have full knowledge of Kṛṣṇa? But by His causeless mercy He comes before us just like ordinary human being, but at the same time He keeps His position as God. Kṛṣṇa, when He was amongst the human society, He kept His position as God, but He played as a human being. Just like when He was a boy of seven years old He lifted the hill with the little finger of His left hand, Govardhana Hill.",
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"content": "\nStill He is there. Still He is there, with His left finger, holding up like this.",
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"content": "\nStill. So although He was playing as a human child, He kept His godly power intact.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] could afford just like a forest. When we go there, still you know some ladies are putting red marks here. When they go on the hill, just they put like this red mark even now, today. Even today, if you go to India you will find that place. [indistinct] is there in the forest.",
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"content": "\nSo God, although appears before us as a human being, we should not… Those who are in the knowledge of God, they will know that He is playing as human being, but He is God—by His action, by His education, by His knowledge, by His beauty, by His richness, by His everything. Just like the Bhagavad-gītā spoken by Kṛṣṇa. This book Bhagavad-gītā is read not by the Hindus or Indians but all over the world, very seriously, because it is the knowledge given by God, and the people are interested.",
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"content": "\nNo, but we have to study both paths. [indistinct] Just like God comes before us as a human being, but He is not a human being. He is God. And when necessary He shows His godly form.",
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"content": "\nWhat is the difference between the... You know, it's now coming to picture, or it is just beginning to picture to me that God is being divided by mankind in one way or another. There are denominations combining God as one in three… The Trinity, they call it?",
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"content": "\nThe God… The humankind is dividing amongst themselves.",
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"content": "\nThey are dividing God…",
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"content": "\nBut why the human being is dividing amongst themselves? \"You are African, I am Indian, he is American, he is this…\" Why they are divided? Why they are dividing this humankind? Why don't you answer this? The human society, why they are dividing the humankind, that \"Here is Asians,\" \"They are Africans,\" \"They are Europeans\"? Why they are dividing?",
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"content": "\nWell, they are divide partly…[indistinct]",
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"content": "\nSomehow or the other they are dividing. Is it not? Some way or other they are dividing.",
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"content": "\nThey are dividing.",
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"content": "\nSo that is their business. They are [indistinct]. Therefore they divide God. [laughter] Therefore when one does not divide: paṇḍitāḥ sama-darśinaḥ [Bg. 5.18]. When they become without any division, that is knowledge. That is real knowledge.",
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"content": "\nIs Kṛṣṇa the very, very, very God? The very, very, very God?",
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"content": "\nFirst of all your answer is why God is divided. Try to understand. That a human being, his [indistinct] is to divide; therefore he has divided God. God is not divided.",
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"content": "\nI have understood. [indistinct] Is Kṛṣṇa the very, very God human beings believe in? Be he a believer or not, but he knows that is one very, very God, living God?",
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"content": "\nWho knows that there is a God? Who knows?",
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"content": "\nMan.",
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"content": "\nMan. Yes. So there is a God. That's nice. There must be God. Just like we are sitting in this room, we know this room has a proprietor, this house has a proprietor. We are in Africa we know that this Africa is the property of the African people. So there is a president. Similarly, this whole universe, why there is not a president and proprietor? What is the difficulty to understand? It is simply bigger.\nJust like this neighborhood is bigger than this room, and this your Nairobi city is bigger than this neighborhood, and the country is bigger than Nairobi. Similarly bigger, bigger, bigger, but in each and every this identity, there is a person, proprietor. So why not of this big, gigantic universe there is a proprietor? Why not? How can you deny it, there is God?\nYou cannot know Him… I am a foreigner; I have come to your country. I do not know what is your president, but I know there must be a president or a king. Similarly, we may not know who is the proprietor of this universe—there must be a proprietor. That is to be concluded. There must be. That is God consciousness. It is not necessary that I must be acquainted with the president of Kenya, but I must know that there is a president. Similarly, it is not necessary that you have to meet God, but by your logical conclusion you must know that there is God.\nNow if you become fortunate, then you can know Him and see Him personally. And if I get the facility, I can see your president and talk with him personally, although ordinarily it is not possible; it requires some process—to go to his secretary, write him letter, I have to wait for the time. But it is not impossible. Similarly, God is there. You can see Him. You can talk with Him. But you have to take the process. That process is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\nTherefore the most popular thing, idea, was…, or, my question was based on how God came to have children, and He's the creator? Or is it not believed that we were created by God?",
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"content": "\nBut wherefrom this belief comes, first of all?",
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"content": "\nWell, it is a very, indeed, as when one comes to fail [indistinct] but where we came from as human beings?",
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"content": "\nYes. There must be a source. [indistinct] That is the idea. That is explained in Vedānta-sūtra. When you enquire about Brahman, atātho brahma-jijñāsā—when a person becomes inquisitive to understand what is the Absolute Truth—the answer is immediately janmādy asya yataḥ: the Absolute Truth is that from which everything is emanating.\nSo the Absolute Truth is the father of everything. So that is natural conclusion, that just like my existence at the present moment is due to my father; my father has created. So my father's existed, his father did. So go on researching: you will find the Supreme Person. That is God.",
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"content": "\nThere must be somebody in the beginning.",
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"content": "\nYes. Otherwise how it is possible?",
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"content": "\nBut it is difficult to know when was the beginning.",
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"content": "\nThat we do not require.",
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"content": "\nBut as a human being…",
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"content": "\nJust like you know surely that you had a grandfather, a great-grandfather, but you do not require to know when your great-grandfather was born. There is no need. But it is a fact that because you are, because your father is, because your grandfather is, there must be a great-grandfather. There is no need of \"When my great-grandfather was born?\" You need not waste your time in that way.",
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"content": "\nBut we know when Kṛṣṇa was born?",
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"content": "\nYes. Kṛṣṇa is born every day, everywhere. That I already explained. Just like the sun: the sunset and sunrise is going on every minute.",
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"content": "\nAre His sons living still in the world still—children He left here?",
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"content": "\nWhat is that?",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] offspring now?",
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"content": "\nDo not say that God is dead. God disappears.",
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"content": "\nHe is asking if…, are His descendants still on this planet?",
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"content": "\nYes, we are all descendants; we are all sons of God.",
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"content": "\nAre we the offsprings of the..., of Kṛṣṇa?",
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"content": "\nOriginally, as spiritual sparks, we are part and parcel of God. That part and parcel of God, a small spark of spirit, is changing bodies. Therefore on the change of body we are making history. Born in, 1870, but died in 1907. But\n t\nhe spiritual spark is changing from body to body, as you have changed already in so many bodies.\nYou were a little body like this. So where is that body? That body is not existing, but you had this body. That you can experience. You had a boy's body, playing very nicely. You can remember. But where is that boy's body? So from childhood you got a boyhood body, then you got a youthhood body; you will get an old body.\nThe body is changing every moment. That is death—birth and death. Similarly, when this body will be finished it is called death. But this body is finished, but you take another body. Just like you have already taken from babyhood body to childhood body, childhood body to boyhood body. Similarly, when this body is finished, you take another body. That is transmigration of the soul.\nSo the soul is the same. By changing body we are creating the so-called history: 1857 and 1907 and so on, so on, so on. This is a bodily history. Therefore, because Kṛṣṇa has got no material body, therefore He is eternal. He has no past, present and future.",
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"content": "\nSwāmījī, if he says that way, that we are the children of the earth [indistinct] which is from Kṛṣṇa, then the world at present must be a different one. That means there might not be America, Africa, India, or anything like that. It will be one place, and then…",
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"content": "\nActually this is our creation. This earth, earthly planet, is one. Actually, when Kṛṣṇa was here, even up to five thousand years ago, the whole world was called, that is known as Bharata-varṣa, even from historical point of view. And it was being ruled by one king, from Hastināpura—five thousand years ago. Gradually the world has separated.",
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"content": "\nHow it is possible that Africans, Americans and Indians, they are children of the same God, or same...?",
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"content": "\nIt is our common home. Kṛṣṇa consciousness will teach us this, that this world is one home for the human beings on this planet. We are all God's children. Everyone has got the right to live at the cost of God. But we have divided. But at that time there will be no necessity of passport or immigration and citizenship. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so nice. Simply you have to come to that knowledge.\n[indistinct] Just like India, as it is twenty years ago, there was no Partition. How the Partition has come into existence? Divided. Similarly, the whole world was one; gradually it has divided—for want of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If we know Kṛṣṇa, if you know that this planet is Kṛṣṇa's, we are all Kṛṣṇa's children, the animals are also Kṛṣṇa's children, then if you want something to eat…\nAt the cost of its father the animal is living on the grass. So I have no right to kill him. He is my brother. He is living by God's grace. God has given some food—God has given him grass. God has given you grain. The animal does not take the grain; he takes the skin only. God has ordered in that way, that \"Here is grain. You take the grain and you let the animal take the skin. And live peacefully.\" Why you are going to eat the animals? This is God consciousness.\nAnd because we are not in God consciousness, clear, therefore we are thinking, \"The animals are meant for my eating.\" And the animal is thinking in another way. I am thinking \"Indian,\" and you are thinking \"African\"—because there is no God consciousness. And as soon as we come to God consciousness, Kṛṣṇa conscious, then, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā,\nbrahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā\nna śocati na kāṅkṣati\nsamaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu\n[Bg. 18.54]\nAt that time you can see all living entities are parts and parcel of God, you are God's…, Godbrothers.\nThat is the position at the stage of brahma-bhūtaḥ stage, when you understand yourself, what you are. When you understand that you are not African, when I understand I am not Indian, when I understand that I am not this body, I am not this mind, I am pure soul, then that is called brahma-bhūtaḥ stage. Because the spiritual spark is brahma.\nNow our concept of life is this body, material concept of life, jīva-bhūta: I have become this African, I have become Indian, or I have become this dog, I have become this cat, I have become this king. Like that. This is jīva-bhūta. Just like you have got white shirt, you have got black coat, he has got blue coat and so on. But we are not concerned with the coats and shirt. We are concerned with as human being, as spirit soul. That is perfect stage. [indistinct]\nsarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ\ntat-paratvena nirmalam\n[Cc. Madhya 19.170]\nWhen one is devoid of all designations… These are all designations—\"I am African,\" \"I am Indian,\" \"I am European,\" \"I am Hindu,\" \"I am Muslim,\" \"I am Christian\"—these are all designations. So when we become free from all designations, then we are pure, and in that pure state we can understand what is God. So God is pure, and when you become pure you can understand what is God. So we have to adopt this purificatory method. That is all. Then you will come to that stage.",
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"content": "\nAnd \"Kṛṣṇa\" is another name… Can one translate the word \"Kṛṣṇa\" with another name of God?",
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"content": "\nYes. It can be. God has many qualities. God is full of all qualities, so you select one quality, and you name God in that way. Kṛṣṇa is all-perfect because He comprehends all ideas, all at once. Therefore this is the perfect name of God. Just like God is called Govardhana-dhārī. Because He has the quality to lift the Govardhana Hill, He is called Govardhana-dhārī. God is called Nandanandana—the son of Mahārāja Nanda. So what is that reason? The reason is that He appeared as son of Nanda Mahārāja; therefore He is called Nandanandana.\nSo all the names of God, they are defined according to His qualities. But He has got all the qualities. So any name which is indicating to the quality of God, that is God's name. But this name \"Kṛṣṇa\" is prime, because it includes all the qualities. Therefore \"Kṛṣṇa\" is the original name. Suppose you name one God's name. Have you got any idea of God's name? Do you know any name of God?",
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"content": "\nMungu.",
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"content": "\nMungu. What is the meaning of this Mungu?",
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"content": "\n\"God.\"",
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"content": "\nGod is addressed Mungu Just like Kṛṣṇa name has meaning—all-attractive. So what is this word meaning of Mungu?",
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"content": "\n Literal meaning.",
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"content": "\nLiteral meaning.",
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"content": "\nLiteral meaning?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nWhen there is Mungu, that means the almighty God.",
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"content": "\nThat's it. So because God has got all power, therefore you call Mungu. This is God's name. That is all right. God has all power. He is almighty, all power. Therefore if Mungu means \"almighty,\" then it is God's name.",
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"content": "\n Jaya.\nNow you say we don't die, we go [indistinct]. We don't die is what you are saying. Then why do we have to get this changing of bodies?",
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"content": "\nThat is another question. This is nice question. Actually, we don't require to change bodies. We don't require. But we are put into certain conditions that we have to change our body. That is material life. In the material life, in the material existence, we have to change bodies, because we have got different desires, different consciousness.\nNow why there is fight between one nation to another nation, one body to another's body? Because they have got different consciousness. Is it not? I have got a consciousness, you have got another consciousness. Therefore I don't agree with you, you don't agree with me, and ultimately we fight.\nSimilarly, because we have now come to this material world for enjoying this material world, under different consciousness we are given different bodies. God is so kind: \"All right; please enjoy.\" Just like a tiger, he wants to enjoy fresh blood immediately. So God has given, \"All right; you take this body. You can enjoy.\" So God is very kind. As we want to enjoy differently, He gives us different bodies. Therefore we have to withdraw all these desires. We have to simply desire God, or Kṛṣṇa. Then you get godly body. That's all.",
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"content": "\nHas that been proved?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nHow? How is it proved that people don't die and…?",
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"content": "\nThat I already have said, that you have changed your childhood body. There is no… That body is gone. You cannot find out where is that body, but you know that you were a child in a different body. Therefore you are eternal, although your body is gone.",
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"content": "\nBut from my childhood to where I am at the moment, I changed when I was seeing almost. But then…",
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"content": "\nYour body is no longer existing, but still you are seeing; therefore you are eternal.",
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"content": "\nBut the most surprising thing is the change that comes all of a sudden to an individual, and then that body is...",
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"content": "\nThat is just by law. You do not know the law, how it is changing, how it is transforming—that is your ignorance. But it is taking place, that's a fact. Because you are ignorant of certain process, that is not your knowledge. You should know how it is being changed. Similarly, just like you are in now this shirt and coat, when you go at home, then [indistinct] like this, now you are in this apartment and you go another apartment, does that mean that you are finished? You are somewhere.\nSimilarly, when you give up this body you'll take another body. One may not know what kind of body he has taken, but he has taken a body. Exactly just like if you go from this apartment room, it is a fact that you have gone to another apartment. But I may not know to which apartment you have gone. But this is a fact, that you must have gone to another apartment.",
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"content": "\nUnless one has got a total spiritual knowledge, or say…",
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"content": "\nThis is not very advanced knowledge. You are in the apartment of a small body, now you are in different body.",
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"content": "\nIt is just like when we were children, or say in that form, what clothes we were putting on we cannot recall now, because we have changed so many times.",
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"content": "\nYes. But you were a child, that is a fact. Similarly, you may not recall what you were in your previous body, but you were. That is a fact.",
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"content": "\nIf I go back to another question: You were saying, sir, what do you call it, the world, about five thousand years ago, the world was one. All people were ruled by one king…",
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"content": "\nThat you can understand from history, Mahābhārata. The history is there. There is a history called by the name Mahābhārata. Mahā means greater; bhārat means this planet. That you can understand from that book. There is a history; there is Purāṇas. You can understand. As you understand history by reading history, similarly you can understand all these things by reading all these books.",
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"content": "\nIf I could try to depart a little, because I am confused a little bit by the Bible or by this religion about God or…",
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"content": "\nThat is your selection. But Bible may be two thousand years old, but before two thousand years, what was the situation you cannot say. You cannot say that before two thousand years there was no existence [indistinct]. That you cannot say. So if the human society was still there, so what was their religion, what they were doing? There must be some history. And that history is Mahābhārata.",
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"content": "\nAre we classified by that... [aside:] What is it called?\n Kṛṣṇa\n...Kṛṣṇa, when this has started?",
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"content": "\nBut it is never started. Kṛṣṇa is always, just like the sun is always.",
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"content": "\nThe world was there [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nYou can say, \"Since the material world was started, this classification started.\" The material world means it has got a date of starting. But before this starting of material world, the spiritual world was there. Just like you are now constructing African state, but that does not mean Africa did not exist before your construction work. Africa was still existing before your independence, before your calling this name or that name.",
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"content": "\nAnd what is the purpose of man living in this world?",
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"content": "\nThat I have already explained. Because he wanted to enjoy. There are so many species of life in your country: there are tigers, there are lions, there are elephants—and you are there, we are here. We have got different purposes. I have come here with a different purpose. I have come also to Africa, but my purpose is different. And the lion is also here in Africa, but his purpose is different.",
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"content": "\nI think I have to put my question in a different way.",
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"content": "\nBecause you have got a certain type of desire, you are sent here.",
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"content": "\nBut let's say from the God's point of view, what is the purpose of man to live in this world?",
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"content": "\nBecause he wanted to live here. God is so kind. Just like a father, his one son is living there, and his one son has left home, but father does not like it. Father is saying, \"You are doing this; I don't like it.\" This is happening. Similarly, you are all sons of God. You liked it: \"All right,\" so the father, \"You do it. Enjoy it.\"",
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"content": "\nBut is it the will of God that man should live in this world in this way?",
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"content": "\nNo. God does not say that \"You live in this world.\" God comes here, rather, to call you back to home: \"Don't live in this world. You are always suffering. Please come to Me.\"\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\nGod does not like that you should be here.",
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"content": "\nBut even the rich people are dying, they are not suffering. What sort of suffering are you referring to?",
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"content": "\nYour idea is that rich people does not suffer?",
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"content": "\nRich people?",
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"content": "\nYour idea is that rich people do not suffer?",
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"content": "\nWell, that's what I'm asking.",
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"content": "\nNo, everyone suffers. Here, the rich or poor, or the animal or the man or the demigod or the… Everyone suffers.",
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"content": "\nSuffering could be different...",
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"content": "\nSuffering is the meaning of this material world.",
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"content": "\nI see.",
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"content": "\nYou may suffer in one way, I may suffer in another way, but nobody is free from suffering. That's a fact.",
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"content": "\nWell I'm referring to the common suffering by the most people, when…",
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"content": "\nThe common suffering is birth, death, old age and disease. The animal is suffering from this, you are suffering from this, I am suffering from this, he is suffering from this—birth, death, old age and disease. When these four problems can be solved by scientific advancement, then you have gained something. But that is not possible. You cannot stop birth, you cannot stop death, you cannot stop disease, you cannot stop old age.",
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"content": "\nThat is in everything, [indistinct] any life.",
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"content": "\nThat is real suffering. It may be manifested in different way, just like you have got some disease, but symptoms are different. Sometimes you think that \"My…, I am feeling headache,\" sometime feeling pain somewhere. But disease is the one. Similarly, here the material disease is birth, death, old age and disease. So these four miserable conditions are manifested in different ways. So when you come..., when you become purified from this material consciousness, then you become again to your original position, eternal position, na jāyate na mriyate vā [Bg. 2.20], never dies, never takes birth.\nŚyāmasundara\n: There is a state free from this suffering?\nYes. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. As you become perfect in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then you are free from all these things.\nsarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ\ntat-paratvena nirmalam\n[Cc. Madhya 19.170]\nYou become purified.",
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"content": "\nBut still when you become, say, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, what I understand, that suppose we feel as if we are this coat; if we realize Him, and we feel happiness [indistinct], everything, but still our body, physical body, it still remains old or it grows old.",
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"content": "\nThat's fine. But you are not this body.",
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"content": "\nThat we understand.",
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"content": "\nYou are not growing old. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So long you are identifying with this body, you are thinking, \"I am African,\" \"I am American,\" \"I am Indian…\"",
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"content": "\nAnd everything goes wrong.",
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"content": "\nEverything will be... If you are completely in understanding that \"I am not this body,\" then you are no longer African or born Indian, no more Hindu, no more Muslim; you are spirit soul, ahaṁ brahmāsmi—\"I am Brahman.\" And as soon as you come to that state, brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā: immediately becomes joyful. That is required. We are searching after joy. [aside] Aiya. So that is required: to be purified.\nsarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ\ntat-paratvena nirmalam\nhṛṣīkeṇa hṛṣīkeśa-\nsevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate\n[Cc. Madhya 19.170]\nAs soon as you are purified, free from all designations... At the present moment the disease is I am feeling, I am identifying with my designation. That is my disease. I am thinking, \"I am Indian\"; somebody is thinking that he is Hindu; somebody is thinking that he is European, somebody African, Asian. But these are all designations. So actually when we become designation-free, that is called brahma-bhūta stage. And that is the stage of ānanda. Ānanda, or pleasure. Ānanda-mayo 'bhyāsāt [Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12].\nEvery living entity or God is ānanda-maya. Just like you see Kṛṣṇa's picture is ānanda-maya: He is enjoying. Here is the picture. He is enjoying. He is playing flute with the company of Śrīmatī Rādhārani. He is enjoying. He is young man. This is the real form of God—ānanda-maya. God hasn't got to till the ground for eating or make any business or any profession. So you can get also the same position along with God. You can go to Kṛṣṇa also, dance with Him, enjoy with Him. Ānanda-mayo 'bhyāsāt. By nature God and the living entities are enjoying, joyful.\nSo unless you come to that position of joyfulness... You must know that if you are diseased, you cannot enjoy life. If you are suffering from fever, I may offer you very nice, palatable dishes—you cannot enjoy it. Similarly, so long you are not in that ānanda-maya position, you cannot enjoy life.\nsukham ātyantikaṁ yat tad\n…atīndriyam grāhyam\n[Bg. 6.21]\nThat is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. The highest standard of happiness can be enjoyed by your spiritual senses, not by these blunt material senses.\nSo you have to be purified from this blunt material consci... that you can feel. Just like when you are freed from feverish condition, you can enjoy these same foodstuffs so nice: \"Ah, now I will enjoy.\" So here we are not enjoying. We are trying to enjoy, because we have got the enjoying spirit, but due to our diseased condition we are not enjoying. Everything is detestful, confused, frustrated. But we are by nature joyful; therefore we are trying to see, \"Where is enjoyment? Where is enjoyment? Where is enjoyment? Where is enjoyment?\" But I am keeping myself in diseased condition. How he can enjoy?",
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"content": "\nThat's true.",
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"content": "\nSo one has to be freed from the diseased condition, and then he can enjoy. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement—to make people free from the diseased condition of life.",
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"content": "\nBut I think you'll still allow me to say that I haven't got, well, clear answer to the question I was aiming to ask you. See, the thing is that: taking the fact the God is great, and He can do anything that He wants, now, my question would be: we see that we are going in this world, we die, and we come back through reincarnation and all these things, and when you are here we have got different, er..., we are not all equal; some are rich, some are poor…",
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"content": "\nBecause of this diseased condition of life.",
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"content": "\nNow my real question is this: God could see that there is no question of a source to be born into this world, material, and all these things, and so if He did not do that… God is present in the [indistinct] human being process and all these things. What is the purpose of God? Not making us live that we are…",
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"content": "\nThe purpose of God is that He enjoys.",
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"content": "\nAnd suppose I am not enjoying?",
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"content": "\nBut you do not. You do not like. Just like God says,\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\nBut you do not do that.",
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"content": "\nDoes it mean that there is no enjoyment…",
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"content": "\nFirst of all, God wants that you enjoy. But He says, just like the father says the son, that \"Why are you suffering? Come to me. I shall give you all protection.\" But the son does not do it. So what the father will do?",
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"content": "\n In other words, there's free will.",
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"content": "\nYes. God can do it by force, but He does not do it; otherwise what is the meaning of free will? He has given you free will. Or God is free, therefore you are part and parcel of God; therefore you have got free will. And if you are killed with that free will, then what is your value? Then you become a stone.",
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"content": "\nAnd then is it true that some people are born lucky and some are born unlucky?",
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"content": "\n\"Lucky\" means just like here we are sitting so many: somebody's income is hundred, somebody's is a thousand, somebody's is lakh. He has made his fortune. That is there. God has nothing to do with that. He has worked hard, he has got. That's all. Just like you, African nation, now you are trying to develop your country so you be also as rich as the Europeans and others. That will depend on your work.\nSo these varieties of work will not solve your material question: birth, death, old age and disease. You will never be happy. That is the position. You may be as rich as the Americans or the Europeans, but that does not mean that you will be free from all disturbances. Therefore in our philosophy these are simply waste of time.\nJust like the British Empire was created—the Africans were being ruled by the Britisher as India was being ruled by the Britisher. They thought, \"We have created very nice situation.\" But our view: they simply wasted their time. Where is that British Empire? Lord Clive is standing now… [aside:] What is that road?",
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"content": "\n St. James Park.",
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"content": "\nSt. James Park. There is a stone statue. But he might have taken the birth as a dog. What this statue will help him? Nothing. But that is all: attraction. \"Let me become a big statue in the park.\" [laughter] And that is called māyā.",
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"content": "\n",
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"content": "\nWhat is the beginning of mankind?",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] take my own self.",
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"content": "\nYes. Beginning is the same. Creation, when this material world was created, your body was also created.",
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"content": "\nAnd what is my beginning?",
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"content": "\nThat you may know. I cannot say.\nDevotee\n: Could be anything. [laughter]",
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"content": "\nBut you were existing.\n Could be any form.",
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"content": "\nAnd what business I have got to \"What is the beginning?\"",
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"content": "\nYes, I am asking myself, because I don't know what was my beginning.",
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"content": "\nBeginning… In the beginning you have got some body. There are 8,400,000 species of life, body. So you have taken your beginning in any form of these bodies, and you are enjoying this material world.",
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"content": "\nThen how many incarnations do I need to take…",
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"content": "\nThere is no need. Unless you come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, this process will go on unlimitedly. And if you want to stop this repeated birth and death, then you understand Kṛṣṇa. Just like Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā,\njanma karma ca me divyam\nevaṁ yo vetti tattvataḥ\ntyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma\nnaiti…\n[Bg. 4.9]\n\"One who understands Me really, he only does not take birth again after quitting this body.\" Then where does he go? Is he finished? No. Mām eti: \"He comes to Me.\" So you have to finish this business of repeated birth and death in millions and trillions of species of life by Kṛṣṇa consciousness, by understanding Kṛṣṇa. Then your life is perfect. Otherwise you are spoiling your life.",
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"content": "\nIf by understanding Kṛṣṇa then I don't need to be born again, is it true that those people, or these beings, who are angels are the ones who have understood Kṛṣṇa, or what?",
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"content": "\nYes. That is a fact.",
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"content": "\nAngels?",
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"content": "\nYes. They are not angels? They have got their spiritual form, and they enjoy. Kṛṣṇa says, mām eti: \"He comes to Me.\" Then he enjoys with Kṛṣṇa. Just like Kṛṣṇa is playing with His cowherd boys, His gopīs and so many. He has got His paraphernalia.",
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"content": "\nAnd what work do they do, these angels? What work do they do?",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nWhat work do angels do?",
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"content": "\nAngels are like you. They are little enjoying, but better. Just like Europeans. They may be enjoying a better material life, in the nice dress, or nice form. That's all. They are like that. But it is not that they are free from birth, death, old age and disease.",
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"content": "\nHe was asking that when we become liberated from…, when we go to Kṛṣṇa, do we become angels?",
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"content": "\nThe angel is just like here, a beautiful man is called angel, but that does not mean he does not die or he does not suffer.",
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"content": "\n \"Angels\" in the accepted sense of the term are something superior to mankind.",
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"content": "\nYes, they are superior. Many. In other planetary system there are many superior beings. They are living ten thousands of years. Just like you are living for hundred of years, and the ant is living, say, four hours. So you are superior to the ant.",
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"content": "\n But that is not the eternal form?",
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"content": "\nNo. Either you die after hundred years or hundred millions of years, you die. That is not eternal life. Brahma dies, you cannot calculate even his one day.\nsahasra-yuga-paryantam\nahar yad brahmaṇo viduḥ\n[Bg. 8.17]\nSahasra-yuga—forty-three lakhs, forty-three hundreds of years…, hundred thousands of years, they are multiplied by one thousand. That becomes Brahma's twelve hours. Then add another twelve hours, that becomes Brahma's one day. Similarly, thirty days; similarly twelve months. In this way he lives also hundred years, but his hundred years and your hundred years, different. But he also dies. He also dies.",
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"content": "\nNow one time you were calling this word \"die.\" You are talking about the body changing.",
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"content": "\n\"Die\" means change of body.",
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"content": "\nIs it His will that we all mimic Kṛṣṇa... We call it Kṛṣṇa? Is it His will that we die or we have that change, or we even have existed?",
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"content": "\nYes. It is by the will of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nAnd why?",
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"content": "\nWhy? Because you wanted it. That I have already said. You wanted to become an ant; Kṛṣṇa has given you the body of ant.",
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"content": "\nIs He not kind?",
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"content": "\nHuh? He is kind. Because you wanted, and He gives it. He is very kind.",
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"content": "\n No, but if this is His will, to bring the disease upon man…",
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"content": "\nNo. You wanted a life which is full of these miserable condition—birth, death, old age and disease.",
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"content": "\nAnd is He going to change everybody, I mean, through death?",
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"content": "\nNot death. Death is not the solution. The solution is you become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Yo jānāti tattvaṁ [Bg. 4.9]—one who knows Kṛṣṇa. To know Kṛṣṇa, that is solution. Death—everyone is dying.",
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"content": "\nBut is He going… Well…, will mankind get finished in the world?",
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"content": "\nThat is not possible, because everybody is not becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious. Therefore…",
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"content": "\nThere could be many who desire to live here.",
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"content": "\nYes. Many. Everyone has right to. Otherwise why we are preaching Kṛṣṇa…, to become Kṛṣṇa consciousness and they are not becoming? Why? They want to live here and become kicked by this miserable condition of life. That is their desire. We are speaking everyone that \"You become Kṛṣṇa conscious. You try to understand Kṛṣṇa. Your all problems are solved.\" But they do not do it. What Kṛṣṇa will do?",
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"content": "\nSo let me say then that by understanding Kṛṣṇa as the cause of Godhead, the same type of saying in the…, well, say similar saying in the Christianity, that those who are…",
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"content": "\nSo we don't say that Christianity or Hinduity. We say try to understand God. You understand it through Christianity or through Hinduity or any nonsense thing. You try to understand. And if you can understand, then we take that process of religion first class. It doesn't matter whether you understand God through Muhammadanism or Christianism or Hinduism or Buddhism. It doesn't matter. You try to understand God. And if you have understood God through your process of religiosity, then your religion is first class. Otherwise you have simply wasted your time.\nJust like so many businessmen there are. Somebody is doing some kind of business, another body is doing another kind of business—but the aim of business is to earn some money. Then if one has not earned money, and he has done business, then what is the use? You may do any business, but you earn money—phalena paricīyate—and you have become rich, then I can say, \"You are successful businessman.\" It does not mean that you have to do this business or that business. Any way you do business, you earn some money, then you are successful. That is material calculation.\nSimilarly, you accept any religion—it does not matter—but you understand what is God. If you do not understand, then you are wasting your time under the stamp of so many religions. And if you are serious to understand God, then you should take such kind of religion which helps you to understand God. That is your business.",
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"content": "\nThe day before, you said about eating meat or killing animals. Now is it then wrong to…, eating meat? Or if it is wrong, is there any particular meat or particular animal that is prohibited to be eaten?",
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"content": "\nYes. You are some creation of God, so you have got your own food. The tiger has got his own food. If you offer a tiger, a lion, a nice plate of fruits and vegetables, he won't touch it. Why? Because he has been allotted a certain type of food. Similarly, you have got a certain type of food to eat. If you violate the rule, then you disgrace God's regulation, and you become rejected, criminal.",
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"content": "\nThis means that the all animal has a…",
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"content": "\nYour business… Human being's business is to understand God, to become…, to realize himself as His servant of God. So your business is to accept eating what God desires. Because just like our position, we Kṛṣṇa conscious people, we eat something which is taken by, accepted by, Kṛṣṇa. So Kṛṣṇa says that \"Give Me patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ\" [Bg. 9.26], vegetables, fruits.\nSo we offer Kṛṣṇa grains, fruits, vegetables, and we take it. If Kṛṣṇa says that \"You give Me meat,\" then we shall offer Him meat and take it. But because we are Kṛṣṇa conscious, we cannot take anything which is not eaten by Kṛṣṇa. That is our vow. So we have no quarrel with vegetarians. But if you want to be Kṛṣṇa conscious, you must take kṛṣṇa-prasādam.",
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"content": "\nAnother question…",
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"content": "\nAnother thing is that if you are God conscious, if you know that every living entity is God's son… God says, mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ [Bg. 15.7].\nsarva-yoniṣu kaunteya\nsambhavanti mūrtayaḥ yāḥ\ntāsāṁ mahad yonir brahma\nahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā\n[Bg. 14.4]\nHe is the father of all living entities. Then you will see that \"Every living entity is my brother. How can I cut throat of my brother?\" That is called consciousness. If you are really God conscious, if you think that God is the father of all living entities, how you can say that He is not father of the cats and the dogs and the cows and the… He is father of everyone.\nHe is in different dress. Because you are in different dress, in black dress, is it the right of the white man to cut your throat? No. The God conscious… As soon as people become God conscious, \"Oh, he may be in black dress, I may be in white dress—but he is also son of God, I am also son of God. He is my brother.\" This is God conscious.\nThis is lacking. Therefore I am treating somebody lower than me and somebody higher than me—due to want of this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is lacking. I have got many Africans my students, of course American Negroes. They are equally living, chanting, dancing with these white boys. They have forgotten that \"He is black and he is white,\" because they are not in the platform of this bodily concept of life. They are mixing. There are so many young girls, they are mixing, but there is no sex [indistinct].\nSo this is training, to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then everything comes to perfect. And as soon as we speak from the platform of bodily concept of life, there will be no adjustment[?]. It is impossible. Forget it. You may have United Nation and other things, but the controversy and the differences will go on. It is not possible. This is the only solution, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just try to understand, those who are intelligent. Political, social, religious, cultural—all solution is included in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Simply you have to try to understand it, how it is so. That's all.",
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"content": "\nAnd what is the minimum qualification?",
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"content": "\nChant Hare Kṛṣṇa. That's all.",
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"content": "\nWhat?",
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"content": "\nChant Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nThat is the name of, \"Almighty\" all the time.",
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"content": "\nNot \"Almighty\"; simply Hare Kṛṣṇa. Go on the street and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, just as we do. These boys, you see how they are chanting—Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. Do it. What is the difficulty? You can do it and begin immediately the process. But you will not do it. What can I do? The process is not at all difficult. Anyone can take to it. But you won't do it. That is the determination. So what can be done?\nŚyāmasundara\n: Can we have some kīrtana, Śrīla Prabhupāda?\nYes. The process is very simple and can be accepted by anyone. But they will not accept it. What can be done?",
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"content": "\nMain thing is because they do not know it. They don't know it. Not convinced by…",
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"content": "\nYes. Therefore I say come to class; try to understand. Then you will do it.",
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"content": "\nYes. A further question then: The fault is this. The questions might be based on their rules, you know, how they know about spiritual knowledge. So that's why sometimes we have to ask you some further questions.",
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"content": "\nYes. Yes. You are welcome. You are welcome to ask questions.",
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"content": "\nTaking the first, that we all live according to God's will, and again we find if you try to tell others, say we Africans, if we try to speak with our friends and try to introduce another understanding of God as presented apart from what we have understood it from Christianity point of view...",
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"content": "\nDon't go any point of view. Try to understand God philosophically. Don't be designated. Again you become designated.",
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"content": "\nMy question was this now: what answer could you give to a person who asks you that what wrong a person might have done to make him be born deformed, right from his mother's stomach, say? He didn't get accident during his other life, then was born deformed [indistinct] of the sort.",
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"content": "\nDesire. Desire. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā.\nyaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran bhāvaṁ\ntyajaty ante kalevaram\n[Bg. 8.6]\nAt the time of death, what you are desiring, you get the body next.",
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"content": "\nI think there is nobody who can desire to be crippled, so that they will be born again as a cripple.",
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"content": "\nCripple may be due to father and mother's diseased condition. That is all right.",
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"content": "\nSuppose there was no disease?",
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"content": "\nSuppose there was… Naturally, then nobody comes crippled. There are rare circumstances where the child is born crippled.",
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"content": "\nWhy does this disease have the tendency to have its effect on the child?",
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"content": "\nBecause the child gets the body from the father and mother.",
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"content": "\nAnd who suffers? Not the parents.",
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"content": "\nTherefore that can be understood that a white man's child is white, and a black man's child is black, because due to his body.",
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"content": "\nIf one is… If one died and is born again, do you mean that he has lived in this world before?",
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"content": "\nWell, you may live in this world, in other world. There are so many worlds.",
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"content": "\nBut does one know where he lived in the world?",
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"content": "\nYes. This world is made of this matter. So anyone who lives, he lives in the matter. Either I live in the water or in the sky or on the land. They are all matter: earth, water, air, fire. Everywhere you live, you live in the matter.",
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"content": "\nI mean does one experience the change?",
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"content": "\nNo, no. He forgets. He forgets. That is another gift of God. Suppose one has taken the birth of a hog, and last birth he was a king. If he remembers that \"I was king,\" then his life will be horrible. Therefore he forgets.",
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"content": "\nBut what does it mean?\nPrabhupāda: Yes, \nGod gives him this forgetfulness.\nYou mean Kṛṣṇa has got a store of lives? When religious people come back to the world as animals or…",
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"content": "\nThey become according to their desire: animal or man or demigod or... There are 8,400,000 species of life. So as he desires, he gets the body.",
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"content": "\nBut has He got a store, to keep all these lives?",
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"content": "\nNo. The store is this matter. Your desire develops this body. Just like if you have got store of rice, dhal, butter, ghee, you can prepare so many foods. So the store is these five elements: earth, water, air, fire, ether. And from this store you makes different bodies. That's all.",
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"content": "\nDo you develop immediately your material body, or material for leaves? Or you stay for some time…",
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"content": "\nIt takes a process. It takes a process. When you desire something at the time of death, so you are transferred to the semina of the father, similar father, and he injects the semina in the womb of the mother, and the mother supplies the material; she develops the body. That is the process. Your desire. When you desire a type of condition to take birth either as European or African or a cat or a dog or a human being or demigod, that is your desire.",
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"content": "\nSwāmījī, how far does actions comes into effect?",
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"content": "\nThat is your desire. If you desire to have a body, so according to the body, you act. The body means your action.",
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"content": "\nSome people say that suppose somebody is doing, I mean, is committing sins and all this, killing others, or giving pains to others, this and that way, then when he takes next birth depends upon his present actions.",
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"content": "\nYes. Your desire… At the time of death you get a desire, a mental condition, according to the acts you have done throughout your whole life.",
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"content": "\nBecause desire can be a different thing, isn't it?",
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"content": "\nNo, not different. Generally you desire as you are accustomed to desire. Generally you desire. And similarly, if you become accustomed to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, you will desire Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nSo according to the explanation, your explanation, there is a conclusive evidence that man has not started from a particular soul, which was at that time [indistinct]. Man is started from an unkown place.",
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"content": "\nMind is flickering. So you change your mind, you change your body.",
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"content": "\nAnd where did this man come from? Because it is very funny. Everything that lives…",
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"content": "\nHow you know where everything comes from?",
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"content": "\n…must have a beginning and an end.",
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"content": "\nThe things are there, and they are all coming from God. That's all. You should understand like that. Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]. Everything is coming from God.",
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"content": "\nBut I'm driving at... How did God deal with the formacies of the first person? How did He construct the first person?\nDevotee\n: Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nHow did Kṛṣṇa create the persons, person?\nWhat was in the beginning. He says…",
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"content": "\nBeginning was Kṛṣṇa. Because Kṛṣṇa is the beginning of everything.",
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"content": "\nYes. But how did He get man into the world?",
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"content": "\n How did he get…?\nDevotee\n: Man. Human beings.",
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"content": "\nWere there human beings before, or what was in the form before human beings? Some people said that we were from…",
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"content": "\nNo. Always the 8,400,000 species of life are there. As soon as creation is there, the 8,400,000 species of life also created, according to the… The living entity, they are in this created…, in this material world, since time immemorial. So one creation is not the only one creation. Creation is… The material world is, it is created, and again it is vanquished. Everything.",
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"content": "\nFive things were existing first, could we say?",
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"content": "\nNo. Nothing existed. Nothing existed. These... Existed... Simply existing God. God was there. Then from His energy, so many things came.",
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"content": "\nWe can say that…, say this book…",
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"content": "\nI am the author of this book. I existed, so I have written this book. Not that it has come into existence.",
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"content": "\nThen God must be very wonderful!",
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"content": "\nHe is certainly He's wonderful; otherwise how He is God?",
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"content": "\nBecause we are using the shape from time to time, and these formacies, and we are failing to know how He has brought man into the world.",
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"content": "\nGod's... You mean it is a form? [aside:] What is his question?",
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"content": "\nHe says that God must be wonderful because we cannot understand His form, because sometimes we think in this way.",
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"content": "\nWhy we cannot understand? God, when God says, \"Here I am,\" why you cannot understand?",
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"content": "\nWell I don't understand Him, because He hasn't revealed this to man when He created us. This is where my problem is, you see. Because we come from the mother; we are born and die.",
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"content": "\nYou are part and parcel of God. Just like the sun: as soon as the sun is there, the sunshine is there. The sunshine is not created in another time. Try to understand this.",
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"content": "\nCreated.",
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"content": "\nSunshine is not created. As soon as there is sun, there is sunshine. That means sunshine is always with the sun. So you are part and parcel of God. God is existing everlastingly. You are also existing everlastingly. But this sunshine, when it is covered by cloud, it becomes dark. Similarly, when you are covered by maya, you forget God. That is a fact. Otherwise you are existing with God always. Therefore you have no birth and death, originally, as spirit soul.\nYour birth and death is due to this covering of matter. When you are covered by certain type of body, you think, \"I am this African.\" Again when you are covered by some other body, you think, \"I am this.\" You are thinking like that, but you are always different from this body. You are existing with God, but you have forgotten. Forgetting God, you think you are African, I think, \"I am Indian,\" he is thinking European. That you have to change. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\nWhen I met the scientists last, they gave me a very perplexing idea.",
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"content": "\nWhat do they know? First of all, what do they know? Why he shall not give perplexing ideas?",
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"content": "\nThey gave me a perplexing idea, because they told me man came from the waters.",
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"content": "\nHmm? Wherefrom the water came?",
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"content": "\nMan developed it from…",
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"content": "\nWherefrom the water came?",
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"content": "\n Water? That was made by God.",
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"content": "\nThen God… It comes to God. What is the use of the scientist? Why don't you go to God directly?",
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"content": "\nI am talking in terms of the origin of man, what they idea...",
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"content": "\nThat may be. That may be. So first there was ether. Creation, process of creation, is first there was ether, and then there was air, then there was fire, then there was water, then there was earth. This is the process of creation.",
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"content": "\nLet me ask another question. I asked it before. You said that one is in, something, in and out, within and without. Which one of these is found more valuable by Kṛṣṇa?\nHe says, by Kṛṣṇa, the one who is inside or the one who is without?",
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"content": "\nKṛṣṇa is without and within.",
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"content": "\nNo, I mean to me, if I am within and without.",
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"content": "\nWithin you are real, your real self, spirit. Therefore within, you are important.\nBrahmānanda\n: We are within…",
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"content": "\nYes\n …but Kṛṣṇa is… Kṛṣṇa is within and without.",
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"content": "\nKṛṣṇa is within and without. He is both. He is Absolute. He is Absolute; therefore He has no within and without. We are relative. We are now in the material world; therefore there is within and without. And when you become simply spirit soul, then there is no within and without.",
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"content": "\nAnd is there a time that the soul has to stay in the spiritual world…",
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"content": "\nSo long we have got the desire to enjoy this material world, yes, we remain here.",
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"content": "\nBut what I mean is when we die.",
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"content": "\nYou die with your desire. That does not mean end of material life. You take another body—according to your desire.",
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"content": "\nBut my question is this: how long do we stay before we come back again?",
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"content": "\nAs soon as you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\nThere is no specific time…\nNo. His question is this: Suppose we die. Now the soul, the soul doesn't take another birth?",
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"content": "\nHe has to take birth.",
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"content": "\nHe has to take birth.",
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"content": "\nYes. So long he is desiring, he is dying with some desire, so he has to take birth.",
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"content": "\nIf he has no desire, then…",
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"content": "\nThat is Kṛṣṇa conscious. He has no desire means that he is Kṛṣṇa conscious.",
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"content": "\nBut then after some time if he desires again, then he can come back?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nBut is there any period that one has to stay in the spiritual world because he's born?\n [aside:] We need to close the curtains, because the insects are coming in. The insects are attracted by the light. [discussion about closing curtains]",
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"content": "\nDesireless—sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. When you become desireless, that is your freedom. Desireless means not to desire to lord it over the material world. Now we are desiring how to lord it over the material world. Somebody tries to be a very big businessman, somebody is trying to be a minister, somebody is trying to be this and that.\nAlways they are being conducted by the desire. When that desires will be purified, that \"I shall simply serve God, or Kṛṣṇa,\" then you are purified. Otherwise you'll have to take that particular type of body to fulfill your desire.",
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"content": "\nI see the point, you know. I am… I am in such, I mean, going to ask again the question: Now when…",
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"content": "\n[devotee enters and Prabhupāda acknowledges] All right. Wait. I am coming. Our philosophy begins higher up, because physical training of the body, but we say, \"You are not this body.\"",
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"content": "\nThat's the main thing.",
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"content": "\nYes. How physical training of the body will help you? It will help you, just to concentrate the mind. Nothing more than that. So what is your last question?",
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"content": "\nWhen you decided to pay us a visit, I believe you knew that you are coming to meet different minds. In other words, I believe this way, and you believe the other way around. Now what is your intention? Is it to teach us primarily knowledge of these all [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\nTherefore there is training. We have got a different mind, like a child has got a different mind, but the teacher trains him to a certain type of thinking. He wants to play. The child wants to play, but the teacher trains him to study. The mind is changed. The child's mind, when he comes to his school, he's always thinking of playing. But the teacher gradually trains him to read, and he learns A-B-C-D and other books, and he becomes educated.\nSo you may be of different mind, but if you are trained up, you'll take to education and you pass the examination[?]. That's all. You have to agree to take the training. That's all. Then everything will be all right. That is called initiation. You voluntarily accept a person who will teach you. That is required. That is the Vedic injunction: tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. In order to be trained up in the transcendental science, one must accept a bona fide teacher.",
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"content": "\nBut is it… Should we be correct if we say the name Kṛṣṇa is the name that God is known to us?",
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"content": "\nSo Kṛṣṇa, I have already explained, Kṛṣṇa is the name of God. Because Kṛṣṇa, this very word suggests \"all-attractive.\" If God is not all-attractive, then how He is God? If God is attractive to a certain class of men or certain class of living entity, then how He can be God? Therefore this is the perfect name of God—\"all-attractive.\"",
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"content": "\nOtherwise He has got thousands of names.",
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"content": "\nThousands of names. God has thousands and millions of names, according to His quality. So He has got unlimited quality; therefore He has got unlimited names. But this is the perfect name, because it comprehends all the qualities—\"all-attractive.\"\n[pause] So we shall... Later on.",
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"content": "\nWe can do the kīrtanas and...",
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"content": "\nYes. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Kīrtana?",
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"content": "\n Very soon we shall have our own publication, Macmillan Company.\n[pause] What is your report?",
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"content": "\n I had a rough day today.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n I didn't get any new members today. I went all over... I went over to McGill, and not very many teachers, professors there, know about the temple, especially the chemistry professors. I don't think chemistry professors go too well with Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\n No. Every... You have to convince them that chemistry or philosophy or anything, without Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it is all useless. Sva-karmaṇā tam abhyarcya saṁsiddhiṁ labhate parām [Bg. 18.46].\n[By worship of the Lord, who is the source of all beings and who is all-pervading, man can, in the performance of his own duty, attain perfection.]\nThat verse I was explaining, that,\nataḥ pumbhir dvija-śreṣṭhā\nvarṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ\nsvanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya\nsaṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam\n[SB 1.2.13]\n[O best among the twice-born, it is therefore concluded that the highest perfection one can achieve by discharging the duties prescribed for one's own occupation according to caste divisions and orders of life is to please the Personality of Godhead.]\nTaste for...\n[pause] Oh, so many?\nGovinda d\nāsī\n:\n Earlier you said you wanted it.\n Huh? So he is recording there.\nGovinda d\nāsī\n:\n Oh, I thought you wanted a Dictaphone? If not, I can...",
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"content": "\n It must be better if you were recorded Swamji, [indistinct]... Some problem.",
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"content": "\n Hmm? Hmm? What is that?",
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"content": "\n I think a tape recorder is better than a Dictaphone, because I think a tape recording is better.",
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"content": "\n You can sit down. So everyone is working. Never mind in whatever occupation one is engaged. That doesn't matter. But one has to test whether he is becoming successful. Because everyone wants success. We are not animals, that without any success we shall work hard labor. That is animals' business. Just like several times I have given the example, dophara gādhā, the ass of the washerman. That kind of busy-ness and work is no use. Dophara gādhā, ass of the washerman. Here, of course, you have no experience.\nIn India there is a class who are called washermen. In India there are different castes. Washerman, a class; barber, a class. I mean to say... So many departmental. So each and every one, there is a class who take up that work. Sweeper, a class. All the necessities. The clerk, even clerk, there is a class; priest, there is a class; the fighter, there is a class. That is nice arrangement. So in India... And florist, there is a class, florist. Their business is simply to supply flower. Fisherman, there is a class; butcher, there is a class. Just like we have got a temple, now we require potter. Potter, there is a class.\nIn Jagannātha temple the arrangement is that... One does not know since how long...\n[someone enters] Come on.\nIn Jagannātha temple... Sit down. Jagannātha temple, the prasādam is cooked every day in new earthen pot. No old pot is used. Once used, it is thrown away. Formerly, this was the system in India. Even dishes, once used, it is thrown away. No washing. Even golden dishes, silver dishes, once used, it is thrown away. And now golden dishes..., there is no use of golden dishes, neither nobody throws it away. But that was the system.\nNow the earthen dishes... Just like china clay dishes, this is considered impure, because it is repeatedly used. In India, those who are strict Hindus, earthen dishes, once used, it will be thrown away. Clay dishes. So this is china clay dish. It is not to be used again. It is thrown away. Just like you have got paper plates and glass here. You eat it and throw it away, similarly, India...\nNow it is being introduced, these paper dishes, gradually, but from very old time, refreshment or foodstuff supplied in clay dishes, and after eating, it is thrown away. So there is a potter class, who flourish. They sell their products. Just like in your country also, so many things are thrown away so that the manufacturer get chance to sell again.\nSo everyone has got a particular type of profession. The potter, the washerman and the florist, the grain dealer, the silver or gold dealer, the banker, and... Everything. And the priest and the warrior. So even in India, still, there is no difficulty for draft board. There is a class, kṣatriya; oh, they will be very glad to be recruited as soldier. They are very strong. Jat. They are called jat, Gurkha. They don't like any other occupation. Fighting they like. The Sikhs.\nThe Sikhs, they are jat class, and the Gurkha, oh, the whole British Empire was extended with the help of the Sikhs and the Gurkhas. The Britishers took these Gurkhas and the Sikhs to Burma, to Mesopotamia. They liquidated the Empire because they lost India. The British soldiers were not helping to keep up their Empire. These Indians soldiers. In the first war they gained for these Indian soldiers. They fought in France and everywhere very nicely. They are fighter class. They like to fight.\nAnd fighting is not going every day. So the arrangement was... Just like you have to fight for the state. So there is no monthly salary system. You are awarded by the government a certain tract of land free. You produce grains and utilize the land; no tax for you. But when there will be war, you shall fight. Very nice arrangement. Similarly, in temple, the florist has to supply flowers daily. Mr. Khanvar[?], am I right? You know this Indian system?",
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"content": "\n So the florist is given a certain tract of land free, and let him produce flower and make business. But the quantity of flower I require for my temple, he must supply daily. Similarly, the bandsman, he should come and play band. Everything was on land distribution. That was the system. And tax was paid to the government. Not by assessment. Uh, assessment...\nWhatever your land production is there, you give to the government one-fourth. That's all. If you have produced 1,000 maund grains, you have to give to the government 250 maunds. And if you have produced 100, then you give 25. So there is no question of harassment. Whatever is the production is there.\nSo these profession is accepted from Vedic time, different kinds of men engaged in different kinds of activities. Maybe a florist, maybe a potter, maybe a cobbler, maybe anything, grain producer... So many; society requires so many things. So according to Vedic system, there is a class, and Bhāgavata says that \"You are engaged in your occupational duty; so whether you are getting success by such occupational duty?\"\nThe Vedic system does not condemn anyone: \"You are a potter. Oh, you are lower.\" No. You are as good as a priest, because you are doing your duty. That's all right. Never condemn. This is development of later age, when the so-called brāhmaṇas became, I mean to say, treacherous. They began to condemn so-called lower class. There was disruption, the whole social system. But in the beginning it was not.\nSo they have got respectable terms. Just like a brāhmaṇa is addressed as paṇḍita mahārāja. A kṣatriya is addressed ṭhākura saheb, ṭhākur. And a merchant is addressed sethji. And the laborer class addressed as choudhari, means leader. In this way everyone has got respectable position. Why? Because the test of their success was one: Viṣṇu. Success... Sva-karmaṇā tam abhyarcya siddhiṁ labhate param [Bg. 18.46].\n[By worship of the Lord, who is the source of all beings and who is all-pervading, man can, in the performance of his own duty, attain perfection.]\nWhatever your occupation may be, that doesn't matter. But if you worship the Supreme Lord by your occupation, then you are successful.\nThe florist supplies flower to the temple. The potter supplies pots to the temple. The priest chants mantra in the temple. The kṣatriyas, they protect the temple; he supplies the expenditure of the temple. Because the land belongs to the kṣatriya. They are royal class. Because they occupied land, so they have got the obligation to give protection to the country, fight. They shall fight. And here, at the present moment, the arrangement is that you have no land, you are landless, but you are called to fight. Why?\nThis system is condemned system. The kṣatriyas, they are royal class, they possessed land, so they had obligation to protect the country. Therefore they were fighting. How nice arrangement. Those who are occupying administration of the country, they should fight. But they are sitting very nicely in their armchair and calling somebody, \"Go and fight and be killed.\" This system is not scientific system.\nTherefore the caste system is very nice. They have now been condemned... Not condemned, but they want to revise it. But this is a very scientific system. Why? It is created by Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13]:\n[According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.]\n\"I have created these..., the four divisions of caste.\" It is not exactly caste; section, varṇa. So how you can stop? It is natural.\nSo Bhāgavata recommends, Suta Gosvāmī is addressing, ataḥ pumbhir dvija-śreṣṭhā varṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ. This system of sectional division, this is..., \"He is brāhmaṇa, he is kṣatriya, he is vaiśya, he is śūdra, he is brahmacārī, he is householder, he is vānaprastha, he is sannyāsī,\" or sub-section: \"He is potter, he is washerman, he is this and that,\" so such..., you may divide it or not, this section will be there in every society.\nSo Bhāgavata says that \"You may be situated in any section. It doesn't matter\"—either you be a kṣatriya or a brāhmaṇa or a potter or a washerman or whatever you may be, it doesn't matter—\"everyone should be satisfied by his occupation.\"\nBut how one gets successful by his occupation? He hasn't got to change the occupation. In the material world one has to change his occupation for certain kind of success. Suppose if you are a potter. Now, if you want to become engineer, so you have to change your occupation as potter. But in the spiritual world you haven't got to change your position, and still, you get success, spiritual life. That is the beauty.\nYou haven't got to change. If somebody says that \"Sir, I am potter. How can I be Kṛṣṇa conscious? It requires that one should be a brāhmaṇa, one should be very learned man, Vedānta philosophy, and one must have the sacred thread, and this and that. So I am a potter,\" \"I am a cobbler,\" \"I am a washerman.\" No. Kṛṣṇa says, \"No. You do not require to change.\"\nCaitanya Mahaprabhu also says, \"You do not require to change.\" Kṛṣṇa says that sva-karmaṇā tam abhyarcya. You just try to worship the Supreme Lord by the result of your occupation. Because Kṛṣṇa requires everything. So if you are a potter, you supply pots. If you are florist, you supply flower. If you are carpenter, you work for temple. If you are washerman, then wash clothing of the temple. Temple is the center: Kṛṣṇa. And everyone gets chance to offer his service. Therefore temple worship is very nice.\nSo this temple should be organized in such a way that we don't require any money. You give your service. That's all. You be engaged in your service. Don't change your service. But you try to serve the..., temple means the Supreme Lord, by your occupational duty.",
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"content": "\n In other words, in the correct position that... You might have a community, and then...",
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"content": "\n The community is supposed to be there. The potter is there, the washerman is there, the grocer is there, the milkman is there, everyone is there. So we haven't got to form community.",
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"content": "\n No. In the correct position, then, the temple would be the center of the community.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Temple is open for everyone. Let them come and sit down, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, hear Bhagavad-gītā. We don't say, \"Oh, are you potter? No. You are not allowed.\" We don't say that. \"Are you cobbler? Oh, you are not allowed.\" No. We don't say that. Everyone is welcome. \"Come on.\" And what is the business? Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Everyone can do it. And what is the next business? We read some nice philosophical portion from Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Yes. You have got ears.\n[shouts:] But the rascals are not coming! That is their rascaldom. Because they will go to hell. We are offering the greatest facility, but they are so rascals, they are not coming. This is a rascaldom civilization. What is difficulty there? You come, sit down, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, take nice prasādam, hear philosophy, see nice pictures, decorated Deity. What is the difficulty there? But their brain is full with rascaldom.\nThey will go to cinema, they will go to hotel, they will go to some other thing, but they will not come to temple or church, or any other where these things are being done. This is called Kali-yuga. Kali-yuga means they are so condemned that they don't take facility of the highest benefit. They have been educated, they have been trained in such a way that they don't like this.\nBut this is their success. Bhāgavata says, saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam [SB 1.2.13]. \n[O best among the twice-born, it is therefore concluded that the highest perfection one can achieve by discharging the duties prescribed for one's own occupation according to caste divisions and orders of life is to please the Personality of Godhead.]\nAtaḥ pumbhir dvija-śreṣṭhā varṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ. Vibhāgaśaḥ means sectional division. \"My dear learned brāhmaṇas...\" Because Suta Gosvāmī was speaking to very learned assembly of brāhmaṇas Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Because it is understandable not by ordinary class of men. But they are not disallowed. It depends on the speaker to present very nicely for their understanding. It is not, I mean to say, stopped. Nityam bhāgavata-sevaya [SB 1.2.18].\n[By regular attendance in classes on the Bhāgavatam and by rendering of service to the pure devotee, all that is troublesome to the heart is almost completely destroyed, and loving service unto the Personality of Godhead, who is praised with transcendental songs, is established as an irrevocable fact.]\nThis is the process.\nśṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ\npuṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ\nhrdy antah-stho hy abhadrani\nvidhunoti suhrt satam\n[SB 1.2.17]\n[Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of Godhead, who is the Paramātmā [Supersoul] in everyone's heart and the benefactor of the truthful devotee, cleanses desire for material enjoyment from the heart of the devotee who has developed the urge to hear His messages, which are in themselves virtuous when properly heard and chanted.]\nIf you kindly come and hear about Kṛṣṇa, then Kṛṣṇa will be very much pleased upon you. Anyone. Suppose if somebody is interested with you, he likes your activity, he likes to hear about your qualities, you will be also pleased with him: \"Oh, this man is interested with my affairs.\"\nSo śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ. Kṛṣṇa is within your heart. Kṛṣṇa is within and without, because He is all-pervading. It is not that He is simply without or within. He is within and without. That is all-pervading. Akhilātma-bhūtaḥ. And all-pervading does not mean that He is not in Goloka Vṛndāvana. He is there also. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilātma-bhūtaḥ [Bs. 5.37].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, residing in His own realm, Goloka, with Rādhā, resembling His own spiritual figure, the embodiment of the ecstatic potency possessed of the sixty-four artistic activities, in the company of Her confidantes [sakhīs], embodiments of the extensions of Her bodily form, permeated and vitalized by His ever-blissful spiritual rasa.]\nAlthough He is in His abode, Goloka Vṛndāvana, He is everywhere. Just like sun: he is ninety millions miles away from here, situated in sun globe, but he is everywhere. This light now, it is sunlight. So if sun can remain in that way, everywhere, why not the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He also remains everywhere?\nSo He is within your heart. And when He sees that you are interested in hearing about Him, He becomes sympathetic. He is sympathetic to everyone. Still more sympathetic. So what does He do? Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ. Kṛṣṇa, when He sees that one is interested in hearing about Him, then He gives you facility. What is that facility? That facility is, śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ. \nKṛṣṇa-kathā, talks about Kṛṣṇa, you, either you understand it or not understand it, it doesn't matter. If you simply sit down to receive, give aural reception to such message, you become pious. Immediately. Puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ. You don't understand; simply you talk and discuss and hear, you become pious. Just like fire. You come to the fire, you understand it or not understand, you get warm.\nThat facility is there. You don't require to understand how fire is produced, what is the chemical or physical constitution. You do it, understand or not understand. Just like you sit down on a car, motorcar. You understand it or not understand it, what is the engineering of the car, but you run on.\nSimilarly, kṛṣṇa-kathā, the simply..., the simple method, if you kindly come and hear, then you will be pious. That is the first installment. You don't understand or don't follow, but if the injection is there you become pious. Puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ. And if you give little attention, then the result will be hṛdy antaḥ-stho hy abhadrāṇi: all undesirable things that is accumulated within your heart, that will be cleared. Kṛṣṇa will help you.",
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"content": "\n Now, um, supposedly, the false ego and...",
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"content": "\n What is the false ego and..., now you have to hear. That's all.",
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"content": "\n No, I mean the attention itself, this is material, very, very subtle, but...",
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"content": "\n Yes. If you give attention, it is better. Even if you don't give attention—simply hear—that will also have some effect.",
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"content": "\n Now, can... We should be able to control our attention, then, to direct our attention to where...",
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"content": "\n Then what is the use of sitting if you don't control your attention? Then you are simply wasting time. Why do you come? That is understood. When you come to hear, that means you must hear with attention. But this is a concession, that even if you don't hear with attention, you become purified. But if you do it, it is very nice. You make progress. You get the result very quickly.\nSo success of life is to please Kṛṣṇa, or the Supreme Lord, by one's occupational duty. Ataḥ pumbhir dvija-śreṣṭhā varṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ, svanuṣṭhitena dharmena... Svanuṣṭhitena dharmena saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam [SB 1.2.13].\n[O best among the twice-born, it is therefore concluded that the highest perfection one can achieve by discharging the duties prescribed for one's own occupation according to caste divisions and orders of life is to please the Personality of Godhead.]\nOne should try to satisfy the Absolute Truth, Personality of Godhead. And Lord Caitanya also recommends that \"You remain in your occupation. That doesn't matter. But you submissively try to hear.\"\nSo we are giving this chance to the people: \"Please come and hear.\" But they are not prepared even for that thing. The age is so strong, the Kali-yuga, that it will dictate, māyā will dictate, \"Why you go there? What is there?\" But actually, those who have come to us, those who are following, they are so much changed. That is a fact. They are seeing. They are hearing, \"It will be.\" They are seeing, \"It is.\" Still, they are not interested.\nJust like a class of men, they see that a person who has committed theft is arrested by police, and he is hearing that \"If you commit theft, then you will be sinful or you will be caught by the laws of the state.\" So seeing and hearing, still he is committing theft. Why? By experience, practical experience, he is seeing that \"Here is a man, committed theft. He is punished. He is going to be arrested by the police.\"\nAnd he has heard also that if somebody commits theft, he will be punished. So what do you want? Two things are required, dekha soṇa[?], seeing and hearing, for gaining knowledge. So he has got knowledge by seeing and hearing, but still... That means the heart is not clear. So this thing will be helpful for clearing the heart. Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ [SB 1.2.17].\n[Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of Godhead, who is the Paramātmā [Supersoul] in everyone's heart and the benefactor of the truthful devotee, cleanses desire for material enjoyment from the heart of the devotee who has developed the urge to hear His messages, which are in themselves virtuous when properly heard and chanted.]\nSimply by legal obligation one cannot be purified. You may enact thousands of rules and regulation and laws—you cannot purify the heart of the people. Here is the process to purify the heart of the people. Therefore they should be taken advantage of. Simply by saying that \"If you do this, then you'll be punished,\" nobody cares for that.\nJust like a child. The parents daily says, \"My dear boy, don't do this. This is mischievous.\" But he does. Just like a dog, animal. Because the heart is not purified. The knowledge is not there. So this is the process for purifying the heart. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].\n[“‘Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nThis is the process. So one should take advantage of this process, how to purify the mind, how to purify the heart. Then you will be a perfect personality, perfect man. Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ. So we don't say that \"You change your profession, you change your position or occupation.\" No. \"Please come and hear. Please... If you don't chant, please hear. That hearing process also will cure you.\" Śravaṇam kīrtanam.\nSo people should come to our temple and hear this chanting, this... We are not taxing. We are not asking any... If you give some contribution, there is temple and management, there is expenditure, heavy expenditure, in this country. If you so kind... It is very kind of you. Even if you do not pay, you don't like, please come. Please come and hear. Please bring your friends if you are really friend. So it is very nice thing. Sthāne sthitaḥ śruti-gatāṁ tanu-vāṅ-manobhir. You remain what you are. We don't say that you change, but you hear. Śruti-gatāṁ. \nŚruti means this ear. God has given you this nice thing. You just inject this transcendental vibration through this ear. And when you will..., you purify yourself, then you'll know how to make your life successful by your occupation. Sva-karmaṇā tam abhyarcya saṁsiddhiṁ labhate param. Saṁsiddhi. Saṁsiddhi means perfection.\nSo even fifty years... Not fifty; about sixty years before, in our childhood, or more than, sixty-five years before, when we were five, six years old, this system of hearing in the evening, in every village there was current. And my maternal uncle's house was in the suburb of Calcutta. So in our childhood, when we used to go to our maternal uncle's house, all the ladies and members of the house would go to a place where Bhagavata, Bhagavad-gītā, is being discussed. They will sit down. All the members of the neighboring people, they will come, very big crowd, and they will hear, and whatever they can pay, they will pay. And with that impression, at nine o'clock or ten o'clock, they will go to bed. Very nice arrangement.\nUsually the meeting was taking place after night, dinner, you see? Say, about at nine o'clock. And from nine to ten, eleven, the discussion would go on, and then the members dispersed and go to their respective home. We have seen. And all the ladies, whole road, they were discussing, \"The priest told me...\" They discussed very seriously to understand. So they don't require any education. Simply by hearing they become advanced. This is recommended. Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ... Śṛṇvatāṁ. Just try to hear, hear, hear. Very nice process.\nSo we are inviting people. We have got so much big space. Unfortunately, nobody is coming to hear. Mr. Khanvar? Why they do not come?",
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"content": "\n I don't know.",
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"content": "\n [laughs] No, can you guess any reason?",
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"content": "\n Many people don't know about temple. Many people are not aware of the temple.",
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"content": "\n Well, these are..., so many people came on that day. At least they know. They have no interest. That is the thing. That this life is meant for perfection in self-realization, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, their dull brain does not allow to understand this fact. Therefore I was explaining last night, su-medhasaḥ, good brain substance. So people are becoming dull, and talking all nonsense. They are interested with so many nonsense things. Just like yesterday that gentleman came. You were present?",
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"content": "\n Oh, he was talking that on zero some great svāmī spoke four hours. And he was very proud that on zero one can speak throughout his whole life. Now, I did not... [laughs] But if you can speak on some subject matter for four hours, how it is zero? Just see the contradiction. Gaurasundara, you were present when he was speaking? You heard? If I can speak something on a subject matter, is that subject matter zero?\nZero means śūnya. Śūnya means \"nothing.\" So how you can speak on nothing? If you can speak on nothing, then nothing is no more nothing; it is something. Just see. But he was so proud: \"Oh, he spoke on zero for four hours.\" I did not contradict, because he is newcomer, but I talked on other subject. But this is the position.\nSuppose you can talk on zero for four hours. Then either you waste your time... Because after all, it is zero. The result is zero. Just like you add one million zeros. So what is the value? Zero. So who is a fool that knowing that one million zeros makes zero, why shall I waste my time making so many zeros? So either he is a fool, or if zero has so much substance to speak, then how it is zero? If zero has so much value that one can speak on it for hours and hours together, then how it is zero?\nSo people do not understand things very properly. They're so dull that he was eulogizing the man who spoke on zero for four hours. Yes. That is the system: if you hear a man talking nonsense and people will give cla... Oh! And if asking what you have understood, \"Oh! it is very difficult to explain.\" Then why you are wasting time, if you cannot express, if you do not understand? Simply people wants jugglery of words. They don't want substance. They don't want substance. That is the difficulty in the mod..., in the present age. Sva-karmaṇā tam abhyarcya saṁsiddhiṁ labhate param [Bg. 18.46]. \n[By worship of the Lord, who is the source of all beings and who is all-pervading, man can, in the performance of his own duty, attain perfection.]\nSvanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam\n[SB 1.2.13].\n[O best among the twice-born, it is therefore concluded that the highest perfection one can achieve by discharging the duties prescribed for one's own occupation according to caste divisions and orders of life is to please the Personality of Godhead.]\nSo you should learn this nice, simple fact, that whether by your work Kṛṣṇa, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is being satisfied. Just like a student, how he is prosecuting his studies will be tested at the examination how he can satisfy the examiner. Similarly, whatever we may do, we have to enquire or to understand whether by that work the Supreme Personality of Godhead is satisfied. Unfortunately, they do not believe in God, or if they had some ideas of God... Now they say God is dead. So they do not think that it is necessary to please God. That is the difficulty.",
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"content": "\n In other words, if we have a decision to make, we should make the decision only in terms of how it's going to affect my service to Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Hmm?",
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"content": "\n In other words, you don't necessarily make snap decisions. I mean they're probably very... They can consider it from all different points of view.",
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"content": "\n It is not difficult.",
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"content": "\n No. But I mean you have to consider all the different means and figure out how you're going to serve Kṛṣṇa the best way.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Kṛṣṇa can be served by his own occupation, as I described just now. Or whatever you may be. You may be a potter, you may be a florist, you may be... Whatever you may be, but you can satisfy Kṛṣṇa by His work..., by your work. You do not require to qualify yourself with some specific qualification. Whatever qualification you have got, you have to dovetail it under the direction of expert spiritual master, how you can serve. That's all.",
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"content": "\n What does that \"expert\" mean in the list of qualifications for a devotee? In the list of qualifications of a devotee there is one qualification, \"expert.\"",
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"content": "\n What does that mean in relation to the occupation?",
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"content": "\n Expert means whatever he is doing, he must do it very nicely That's all. Suppose you are sweeping this room. You can do it very nicely, to your best knowledge. That is expert. The people will say, \"Oh, you have very nicely done.\" Any work you do, do it very nicely. That is expert. Don't do it haphazardly. To your best talent, to your best capacity, try to finish it very nicely, whatever it may be.\nYou are entrusted with some work. Do it nicely. That is expert. If you think that you are unable to do that work, then whatever work you can do, you take. But do it nicely. That is expert. Don't imitate. \"Oh, I have no capacity to work in that way, but I want to imitate. Oh, he is doing that. I shall do that.\" Don't do that. That is not expert. You take up what you can do very nicely and do it nicely.\nWe have so many work. Kṛṣṇa is not that He is static. He is dynamic force. Just like Arjuna, he was not a Vedāntist, he was not a brāhmaṇa, he was not a sannyāsī. He was householder. He was military man. But he knew his business, how to do it nicely. So you do your business nicely. That is expert. And when it is dovetailed in Kṛṣṇa, there is no gradation that \"This business is better\" and \"That business is lower,\" because everything is for Kṛṣṇa. So that business becomes Kṛṣṇa. Do it nicely and Kṛṣṇa is satisfied. And that is your success. Avyāpare suvyaparam yo naraḥ kartum icchati, sa-mulo hanyate 'khila pārthiva vānaraḥ. Expert.\nThere is a very nice story in Sanskrit, a monkey. A monkey... You might have some experience, that sawmen, who cut wood? Sawmen. So a sawman was cutting wood by the saw. So at the end of business it was half cut, so he pulled down a, I mean to say, a plug, so that next day he will come and he'll again begin sawing. So went away. So one monkey came. So monkey sat down there and began to pull on the plug, because monkey's business is simply mischievous. So he did not know that his plug and some portion of his thigh was within the hole, and when he took out this plug it was, [claps] I mean to say, clipped, and he could not get out and died.\nSo the instruction is that... 'Khila pārthiva vānaraḥ, avyāpare suvyaparam. Avyāpara means a occupation, an occupation which is not fit for you. That is avyāpara. Avyāpara-suvyaparam. And one occupation which is not exactly fitting you, you do not know how to do it, so avyāpare suvyaparam yo kartu... If one wants to act in a business in which he is unable to do, then he is killed just like this fool monkey. Avyāpare suvyaparam yo naraḥ kartum icchati, sa-mulo hanyate. That foolish person is killed just like this monkey. The monkey's business was not to imitate the sawman, but he wanted to imitate. The result was that he was killed.\nSo that is not expertness. Expertness is you just try to do which is easily performed by you. You don't accept anything heavy task, because Kṛṣṇa does not want that you have to do this heavy task. Whatever you know, you just apply it. You dovetail it in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa does not say that you have to become like this, like that, like that, then you can serve Him. Does not say. Just like this cow. Just see. What does it know? Is an animal. You see? But the calf knows to brush his head and tongue like this, in love. Just see. It is doing, and Kṛṣṇa accepting, \"Yes.\" That is expert.\nFirst of all find out what is easily done by you. Don't take anything which is not easily done by you. You find out what is your occupation, what you can very nicely and easily perform, and do it for Kṛṣṇa. That's all. Is that clear? Expert? This is expert. Expert does not mean that I do not know how to drive motorcar, and I will have to imitate somebody, \"Oh, I shall become driver.\" Why?\nIf you do not know driving, why should you attempt driving? Whatever you know, you just try it, that business, and try to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. If you know driving, that's all right. But don't take... My Guru Mahārāja explained that you haven't got to learn anything extra for Kṛṣṇa's service. Whatever you know, you just apply it in Kṛṣṇa's service. Then you become successful.\nBecause our time is very short. We do not know when I am going to die. As soon as I am out of this body, I am completely under the grip of nature, and I do not know what kind of body I am getting next. Of course, Kṛṣṇa assures that His devotee will never be vanquished. He will get good body. But I do not know what kind of body I am going to... Therefore before finishing this body I will have to develop Kṛṣṇa consciousness very nicely. That is my success. Labdhvā sudurlabham idaṁ bahu-sambhavānte [SB 11.9.29].\n[After many, many births and deaths one achieves the rare human form of life, which, although temporary, affords one the opportunity to attain the highest perfection. Thus a sober human being should quickly endeavor for the ultimate perfection of life as long as his body, which is always subject to death, has not fallen down and died. After all, sense gratification is available even in the most abominable species of life, whereas Kṛṣṇa consciousness is possible only for a human being.]\nAfter many, many of evolutionary process, I have got this nice human form of body in America or India, in civilized nation or rich family; I have no economic problem. That's all right.\nSo it is to be understood they are simply wasting. Oh, how miserable it is. They get the opportunity, and they are simply wasting for sense gratification just like cats and dogs. Whole day working, whole day laboring. Why? Sense gratification. That is also in the hog society. Eating stool, living in nasty place, and they have got very good facility for sex. Is that the end of life?\nSo Bhāgavata says, nāyaṁ deho deha-bhājaṁ nṛloke kāṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye [SB 5.5.1].\n[Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one's heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever.]\nYou are working so hard, and the end should not be simply sense gratification. Sense gratification you can get in hog society, dog society, without any, I mean to say, expert qualification. That is... Viṣayaḥ khalu sarvataḥ syāt. Viṣaya means this sense gratificatory business, you will have in any life—in bird's life, in dog's life, in cat's life. So do you think that human life is also meant for that purpose? Then what is the meaning of civilization? Is that civilization? If the end of life is the same, just like cats and dogs, is it civilization?\nThey do not know what is civilization. They have forgotten. They think that eating very nicely in a palatable dish, that is civilization. But eating is eating. And if you eat... If you are hungry, anything satisfies you. That is eating. Finish. You can eat. Sleeping: when you are fast asleep, you do not know whether you are on the nice building in a nice apartment. You are dreaming that you are thrown into the ocean. Sleeping. So simply for nice arrangement for sleeping, is that civilization? [break]\n[indistinct]. At least, if one understands that \"This is my business. My business is not to work hard and end it by sense gratification. This is not my business.\" That is saṁsiddhi. That is success. If at least one understands this aim of life, even little understands, he gets next human body. That is guaranteed. At least, he is not going to get any cats' and dogs' body. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā.\nŚucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭo 'bhijāyate\n[Bg. 6.41].\n[The unsuccessful yogī, after many, many years of enjoyment on the planets of the pious living entities, is born into a family of righteous people, or into a family of rich aristocracy.]\nWhen Arjuna inquired that if a man cannot execute this yoga system, bhakti-yoga system, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, if it is half finished or one-fourth finished, or ten percent finished, not complete finished, then what is the result? He is good for nothing? No. Kṛṣṇa says, \"No.\" Svalpam apy asya dharmasya trāyate mahato bhayāt. Even a little understood, it can save him from the greatest danger.\nAnd śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭo sanjayate [Bg. 6.41]. If one is not successful in this life, then he is given another chance next life. Where? Śucīnāṁ: in nice, I mean, transcendentalist, brāhmaṇa or Vaiṣṇava devotee or pious man, in his family. Or less than, if he is less qualified, then he is given a chance to get his birth in a rich family. Both the families. In rich family he has no economic problem. And in a pious family he gets direct opportunity to, I mean to say, advance his past Kṛṣṇa consciousness again. So in these two families he gets another chance.\nBut unfortunately, those who are born in rich family, they immediately give up all principles of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. \"Oh, I have got so much money without any labor. Let me enjoy.\" This is māyā. He does not think... Because he has no education that \"You have got this opportunity that you have no economic problem. Take this opportunity for advancing in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Engage your full time to become a devotee.\" Nobody educates him. The poor boy or poor fellow is misguided. He gets his friend, \"Oh you have got so much money. Let us enjoy.\" Eat, drink, be merry and enjoy. So he becomes again cats and dogs.",
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"content": "\n That is pleasure. That is material pleasure. Material pleasure means sex pleasure. That's all. The end of material pleasure, the topmost material pleasure, is sex pleasure. So all these materialists, they are trying to get pleasure from the sex life—in this way, that way, that way, that way, that way. That's all. Because they have no other information.\nMaterial pleasure means sex pleasure. Sex pleasure, tongue pleasure. They have manufactured so many things. That gentleman was sitting and asking, \"Can I smoke?\" The tongue is agitating for... \"Please, please give me one cigarette. One cigarette.\" He became disturbed. And we said, \"No. You cannot smoke.\" This is material pleasure. You train up your senses in such a way that it becomes addicted. It cannot get out of the entanglement.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness will save you. Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham [SB 7.9.45].\n[Sex life is compared to the rubbing of two hands to relieve an itch. Gṛhamedhis, so-called gṛhasthas who have no spiritual knowledge, think that this itching is the greatest platform of happiness, although actually it is a source of distress. The kṛpaṇas, the fools who are just the opposite of brāhmaṇas, are not satisfied by repeated sensuous enjoyment. Those who are dhīra, however, who are sober and who tolerate this itching, are not subjected to the sufferings of fools and rascals.]\nThey are all explained in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. The material pleasure means sexual intercourse. That's all. That is the sum and substance of pleasure. That's all. You'll find everywhere two: one male and female, one male and female, male and female. Either legitimate or illegitimate. Either human being or animal or birds or beast, that male and female, male and female, male and female. This is material pleasure. And unless one is strongly equipped in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, it is not possible to give up. That is the test. It is not possible.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa is Madana-mohana. He can captivate even the Cupid. This is Cupid's business, attraction of male and female. And when that Kṛṣṇa attracts you, you forget this Cupid attraction. Therefore He is known as Madana-mohana.\njayatāṁ suratau paṅgor\nmama manda-mater gatī\nmat-sarvasva-padāmbhojau\nrādhā-madana-mohanau\n[Cc. Ādi 1.15]\n[Glory to the all-merciful Rādhā and Madana-mohana! I am lame and ill advised, yet They are my directors, and Their lotus feet are everything to me.]\nThis is the beginning.",
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"content": "\n When do we become attracted? When do we begin to become attracted?",
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"content": "\n Forget that. You are attracted. That you take account of. When you become diseased, that is useless. You are diseased. Take medicine. There is no necessity of asking when you became diseased. You are diseased. Take medicine. That's all. What is the use of tracing the history? Everything has his history, that's all right. But my immediate necessity is that \"I am diseased. I want to be cured. Give me some medicine.\"\nBut there is history. The history is this. Just like disease. You have fallen victim of disease. That means you have given chance to the infection. That's all. That is the sum and substance of disease. You are infected with some disease. That means you have given chance for that infection.\nThere was a story in a medical journal, \"Typhoid Mary.\" Typhoid Mary... One girl, whenever she was present everyone was being infected with typhoid. Then she was examined, that she is full of typhoid germs. But she was immune. But she infected wherever she went. The medical journal reported. So we should be careful not being infected. And that how you can become free from infection? These four rules: \"Don't have this, don't have this, don't have this, don't have this.\"\nThen you are free from infection. So you should be careful from being infected. There is no use tracing out the history where you became infected. You should not be infected. That should be your business. And as you are now infected, you try to avoid the causes of infection and take the medicine; you become cured.\nSome prasādam? So Annapurna, you have got some news?",
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"content": "\n I got a letter from my father. I have a letter from my father.",
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"content": "\n So what is our next program? [chuckles] That letter is encouraging?",
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"content": "\n That's all right.\n[pause] So on behalf of Kṛṣṇa we have to canvass with folded hands and with all humility, \"Please come to our temple and hear.\" He sādhavā sakalam eva vihāya dūrād caitanya-candra-caraṇe kurutānurāgam [Caitanya-candrāmṛta].\n[Taking a straw between my teeth and falling at your feet a hundred times, I humbly submit, \"O great personality, please give up all mundane knowledge that you have learned and just submit yourself at the lotus feet of Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu.\"]\nAll right. [pause]",
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"content": "\n This rule, \"No gambling,\" does this also include speculation...",
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"content": "\n...various types?",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī? I'm reading about. A book called [indistinct] a book by Swami Vivekananda. Some letters in the back I was looking at...",
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"content": "\n Vivekananda's books we have nothing to do.",
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"content": "\n Forget him. It is all nonsense.",
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"content": "\n I wasn't looking at his philosophy; I was just looking at his technique for his... He was in America first, and then he wished also to go to Europe. Anyway, he had one man... He just had a rich benefactor, and he went on a six weeks' tour, France, England, Germany, Switzerland, all around and then back. That's how he did most of his touring. He had one or two influential people, and then he did everything just like that. And all lectures were arranged in societies.",
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"content": "\n I was thinking if there would be in the Royal Asiatic Society in London. I think Ṭhākura Bhaktivinoda was a member of that also? Is that the same one?",
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"content": "\n No, but there would be some people there, to open correspondence with them, and they might be interested in sponsoring you.",
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"content": "\n It is not... It is more difficult.[?]\n[Prabhupāda is taking prasādam]\n[pause] Is there anything about Kṛṣṇa in Vivekananda's speech?",
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"content": "\n No, I wasn't reading his speeches. Just, I wanted to see how he worked things. I know he's a rascal. I can see it.",
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"content": "\n So you can give me a little milk and finish business.\n[pause] [devotees offer obeisances]\nAll glories to the assembled devotees.",
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"content": "\n All glories to Guru and Gaurāṅga!",
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"content": "\n Yes. All glories to you, because you are interested in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Certainly it is glorious. Greatest science. Please try to understand it very nicely; you will be all happy. That is my request.",
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"content": "\n What is this picture about its Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa and the fire bird [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n What is this? Some imagination. Some imagination.",
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"content": "\n\n...kāñcana-gaurāṅgi\nrādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devi\npraṇamāmi hari-priye\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\nHare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Hare Hare\nHare Rāma Hare Rāma Rāma Rāma Hare Hare\n[My dear Lord, and the spiritual energy of the Lord, kindly engage me in Your service. I am now embarrassed with this material service. Please engage me in Your service.]\nśrī-prahrāda uvāca\nkaumāra ācaret prājño\ndharmān bhāgavatān iha\ndurlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma\ntad apy adhruvam arthadam\n[SB 7.6.1]\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: One who is sufficiently intelligent should use the human form of body from the very beginning of life—in other words, from the tender age of childhood—to practice the activities of devotional service, giving up all other engagements. The human body is most rarely achieved, and although temporary like other bodies, it is meaningful because in human life one can perform devotional service. Even a slight amount of sincere devotional service can give one complete perfection.]\nToday I shall speak before you the conversation of Prahlāda Mahārāja and his class fellows. Prahlāda Mahārāja, when he was grown-up young man, he was a big emperor. But when he was a child, from the very beginning of his life, he was a great devotee. And his father was a great atheist. So the child was taught about this bhāgavata-dharma, or...\nBhāgavata-dharma means dealings with the Personality of Godhead. There are many kinds of dealings. So when our dealings are with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, that is called bhāgavata-dharma. Bhāgavata means from the word bhagavān. Bhagavān means the person who has got all the six opulences in full. He is called Bhagavān, or God.\nIn most scriptures of the world there is idea of God, but actually there is no definition of God. But in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, because it is science of God, there is definition, what do you mean by God. The definition is that one person who has got six opulences in full, He is God. What are the six opulences? Aiśvarya. Aiśvarya means wealth. Andsamāgra, aiśvaryasya samāgrasya [Viṣṇu Purāṇa 6.5.47], complete wealth.\n[Full wealth, strength, fame, beauty, knowledge and renunciation—these are the six opulences of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.]\nComplete wealth means, just like we are sitting here, say, twenty-five or fifty men. Everyone has got some wealth in bank balance. But if some one of us can exceed the bank balance of every one of us, he is called samāgra. Now try to understand what is the definition of God.\nNow there are many rich men, not only here in your country, in other countries also. So take the whole world as a whole, and if you scrutinize who is the richest man, you will hardly find one who is the richest of all. There is a competitor, another. But here the definition is the richest. Nobody can compete with Him. The richest.\nThen, aiśvaryasya samāgrasya vīryasya. Vīryasya means strength. You have got some strength, I have got some strength, but another man may be stronger than you and me. Another man is stronger than he. So nobody can say that \"I am the strongest,\" and nobody can say, \"I am the richest.\"\nSo aiśvaryasya samāgrasya vīryasya yaśasaḥ. Yaśasaḥ means fame. Everyone, we are hankering after, every one of us, name, fame. Lābha-pūjā-pratiṣṭhaḥ. This materialistic life means we want some profit, we want some fame and we want some good name. If I see that my name is stamped in the history, I think, \"Oh, I am..., my life is successful.\" But what is the history? Your name means your body, your photo of this body. But as soon as you leave this body, what you will do with this name? You are going to another body, another name.\nSo aiśvaryasya samāgrasya vīryasya. Vīryasya means strength. So one should have the complete power of riches, complete power of strength, complete fame. Aiśvaryasya samāgrasya vīryasya yaśasaḥ śriyaḥ, and complete beauty. And jñāna, complete knowledge, and vairāgya, complete renouncement.\nIf you can find out somebody that nobody is richer than him, nobody is more famous than him, nobody is stronger than him, nobody is wiser than him, nobody is more beautiful than him and nobody is more renouncer than him, when these six opulences you will find, without any competition, that is God. This is the definition of God.\nSo everything should be understood very distinctly what do we mean by God, not that a third-class man comes and he proclaims himself, \"I am God.\" This is our foolishness. Why shall I accept a third-class man as God? At the present moment everyone is very much anxious to become God and cheat you. And there are so many so-called svāmīs, they are coming, and they are preaching that \"You are God. I am God.\" Then who is dog? Everyone is God? No.\nTherefore you will find in the Vedic literature definition of God. Here is definition of... Just apply this definition. If you find somebody that he is corroborating with this definition of God, then he is God. Otherwise he is a nonsense. God is not so cheap thing. You find out a person that nobody can be found richer than him, nobody can be found stronger than him, nobody can be found more famous than him, beautiful than him or wiser than him or renouncer than him.\nSo this analysis, this definition, analytical study of God, is very nicely made by the sages, ancient sages of India, Bhārata-varṣa, and they have studied the qualification of the demigods just like the sun-god, the moon god, the heavenly god, this god, that god. There are so many. You are also god, I am also god, in this sense, that every one of us has got little, little, these opulences. Everyone, you have got some wealth. It is not that you have no wealth, but you cannot claim that you are the wealthiest. That is not possible.\nAs you have got also some strength, you have got also some fame, you have got also some beauty, you have got some also wisdom, you have got also some renunciation. Little, little. Because we are part and parcel of the Supreme, therefore all the qualities of God can be found in each and every living entity in minute quantity. So you can claim that you are also minute god, but you cannot claim that you are Supreme God. This is the definition of God.\nSo the science of God, or our relationship with God and our dealings with God, is called bhāgavata-dharma, occupation with God..., dealings with God. But Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam means how we can learn. First of all, we have to understand what is God, what I am, what is my relationship with God. And as soon as the relationship is established, then there is dealings. And as soon as there is dealing, then there is some profit. There must be some profit.\nJust like a businessman, another businessman, they first of all make some connection, that \"You are supplier. I am...,\" I mean to say, what is called? \"Receiver.\" Because a businessman, one businessman sells. Another businessman purchases. \"So you are purchaser. I am seller. So our agreement is made that 'I shall supply you. You shall purchase.' \" This is called relationship.\nIn every dealings we must have first of all the relationship. Then, when there is relationship established, then next stage is to deal according to that relationship. And when the dealing is perfect, then we get the desired result. Either in business field or in other relationship—friend and friend, wife and husband, master and servant, father and son... You can take any, accept any form of relationship, there must be a standard of dealing and there must be a result out of that.\nThis is called bhāgavata-dharma. After... You must know what is your position, you must know what is God, and you must know what is your relationship with God. Then you must deal with God in that way. Then you get the desired result. This is perfection of life. It is called bhāgavata-dharma.\nSo what is our relationship with God? As I have already explained, that the six opulences are there in God in full, and the same six opulences are in me, but in particle. Just like the ocean water: It contains tons, millions of tons salt, ocean water, salt. You take a drop of ocean water, you analyze, you will find a grain of salt also. The salt is there also. Similarly, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, what is our relationship? Relationship is,\nmamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ\njīva-loke sanātanaḥ\nmanaḥ ṣaṣṭhānīndriyāṇi\nprakṛti-sthāni karṣati\n[Bg. 15.7]\n[The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.]\nKṛṣṇa says that \"All the living entities, they are My part and parcel, but,\" manaḥ ṣaṣṭhānīndriyāṇi, \"due to their contaminated mind, they are struggling hard in this material nature.\"\nWe are struggling very hard as part and parcel. Just like this hand is part and parcel of my body. So what is the real function of the hand? It must always remain attached with this body. Then it is in healthy condition. If the hand is cut off from this body, you may call that \"This is Swāmījī's hand,\" you may call it, but it has no use. So long this hand is attached with my body, if there is some pain, I can spend thousands of dollars to relieve that pain. The same hand, when it is cut off from the body, if you trample with your legs my hand, I don't care for it.\nSimilarly, we living entities, we are also part and parcel of God, but because we have separated ourself, our relationship with God, therefore we are being trampled down by the materialistic laws. The material laws—always pinching, so many miseries. But we have become so fool that we do not realize that this is a platform where simply miseries are being experienced. That is called māyā.\nWe are always in miseries, but if I ask you or you ask me, \"How are you,\" I will say, \"Oh, it is very nice.\" What is very nice? We are sitting here. The heat is so extensive that everyone is feeling inconvenienced. But if you ask me, \"Swāmījī, how are you?\" I will say, \"It is very nice.\" This is called māyā. We are always under some tribulation, always, either now it is very hot, it is warm, and after few months it will be too cold.\nSo either you are in cold or you are in heat. So these are miseries. If not heat and cold—it is all right, atmosphere—oh, there is something, mental misery. If there is no mental misery, oh, there is some bodily misery. If there is no mental misery, bodily misery or natural misery, then somebody must... At least, there is mosquito misery, the bug misery. So if you analyze your life, it is full of miseries. Full of miseries.\nTherefore, we are part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, but because we have separated ourself from God... Because we are speaking of God, very... People are interested, \"Oh, the Swāmījī is speaking of God. God is dead.\" This is nonsense. You are living. \"Everyone is living. Simply God has died.\" You see? This is, this philosophy is going on. Therefore bhāgavata-dharma, one has to study from the very beginning of life. Otherwise, we shall learn this philosophy that \"God is dead.\" So Prahlāda Mahārāja says, kaumāra acaret prajno dharmān bhāgavatan iha [SB 7.6.1].\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja said: One who is sufficiently intelligent should use the human form of body from the very beginning of life—in other words, from the tender age of childhood—to practice the activities of devotional service, giving up all other engagements. The human body is most rarely achieved, and although temporary like other bodies, it is meaningful because in human life one can perform devotional service. Even a slight amount of sincere devotional service can give one complete perfection.]\nThis occupation of dealings with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Bhagavān, should be learned from the very beginning of life. Just like one of our student's son, Eddy, he is always with his father, and he is learning bhāgavata-dharma. He is also bowing down, seeing his father and other Godbrothers of his father. So he is learning. We also learned in that way, in our childhood. So from the very childhood one should be taught what is bhāgavata-dharma. Otherwise there will be unwanted population, and the world will become a hell.\nJust like at the present moment we practically experience. Everywhere there is discontentment, there is scarcity. Just like from India we thought that \"When I go to America and other Western countries, I will see that every man is very rich man and every man has got a very nice apartment and is enjoying life.\" But actually, when I come here I see that there are many poor men, there are many miserable men here also. Only the proportionate is different, but the actual fact is the same, either in India or in America or in Canada or in everywhere. The same thing. Proportion different. Therefore, if we want... Prahlāda Mahārāja says that,\nkaumāra acaret prajno\ndharmān bhāgavatan iha\ndurlābhaṁ manusam janma\ntad apy adhruvam arthadam\n[SB 7.6.1]\nThis Prahlāda Mahārāja learned this bhāgavata-dharma from Nārada Muni from the womb of his mother. When he was living within the womb of his mother like this... Perhaps you have seen the child in the womb. At least, you have seen in the photograph. So he was lying there within the womb of his mother. And Nārada Muni instructed his mother about this bhāgavata-dharma, and the child...\nThis bhāgavata-dharma is, therefore, without any impediment. Just like one child, four years old, he is associating with us, so he is also getting the same benefit as his father. It is so nice thing. It is not that because he is child he is not getting any benefit. Simply by associating with the devotees, he is getting so much profit, incalculable. Incalculable.\nSo bhāgavata-dharma, Prahlāda Mahārāja says, kaumāra acaret... If not a very small child, but as soon as one is four or five years old... Kaumāra means from five years to fifteen years. That period of life is called kaumāra. So one should learn this bhāgavata-dharma from the beginning. Just like we send boys, children, to schools for training, similarly, the children should be sent for learning bhāgavata-dharma. Unfortunately, nobody is interested.\nHe was... Prahlāda Mahārāja also was in difficulty. His father... Even his father was against him, because he was teaching this bhāgavata-dharma, and the teachers were complaining to his father, \"Sir, your son, we do not know how he has learned this bhāgavata-dharma. He is simply teaching. As soon as he gets some opportunity he makes this education of God consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, to other children. So what to do with your child?\" The father asked, \"Where you have learned this? Tell me.\" So... Those topics will come later on.\nNow here Prahlāda Mahārāja, as soon as he saw some opportunity that the teacher is out of the class, he would call all the boys, \"My dear friends, this bhāgavata-dharma, this understanding God consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, should be learned from the very beginning of life.\" \"Why? Let us play. Why bhāgavata-dharma now? All right, if there is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, when we shall get older or when the time of death will be nearing, we can study at that time bhāgavata-dharma.\"\nBut Prahlāda Mahārāja said, \"No. Kaumāra.\" Why kaumāraṁ? Now, durlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma. You are calculating that when you'll get old, at that time you shall try to understand what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But what is the guarantee that you are not already old enough? Who can say? The next moment I can die. Old age means nearing death. But there is no such guarantee that one shall die at eighty years old or hundred years old. Death can take place at any moment.\nTherefore a sane man will understand that we are always old enough, because there is no guarantee. Durlabhaṁ. And this mānuṣaṁ janma, this human form of life, is called durlabha. Durlabha means very rarely obtained, after many, many evolutionary process, either you take the anthropologist theory how human body has developed or you take from Vedic literature.\nBut the difference is that anthropologist, they say, \"There is no soul. The organic matter is developing in different ways.\" But Vedic literature says it is not the organic matter, but it is the soul. The soul is a person, is individual, and he is transforming different types of bodies from one body to another, transmigrating. This we have explained several times.\nJust we were experiencing: This child who is playing, he is now, he has got a small body. Similarly, when he will get a body like his father, he has to change so many bodies. So many bodies. So the bodies will change but he, the soul, will remain the same. And now, at this childhood, or in the womb of his mother, or when the body is just like his father, or when the body is just like his grandfather—the same, same soul will continue. So therefore soul is permanent and the body is changing. This is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā: antavanta ime dehā nityasyoktāḥ śarīriṇaḥ [Bg. 2.18].\n[Only the material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is subject to destruction; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata.]\nThis body is temporary. Temporary. Either this childhood body or boyhood body or youthhood body or mature body or old body, they are all temporary. Every moment, every second, we are changing. But the soul within the body, that is permanent. So this body, Prahlāda Mahārāja says, durlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma: \"Now, after many many births...\" That will...\nPerhaps you do not know. There are 9,000,000 types of aquatic animals. So we have to pass through all these 9,000,000's. Jalajā nava-lakṣāni sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati [Padma Purāṇa].\n[There are 900,000 species living in the water. There are 2,000,000 nonmoving living entities [sthāvara] such as trees and plants. There are 1,100,000 species of insects and reptiles, and 1,000,000 species of birds. As far as quadrupeds are concerned, there are 3,000,000 varieties, and there are 400,000 human species.]\nAnd lakṣa-viṁśati, 200,000's. I am sorry, not 9,000,000's; 900,000. And then 2,000,000's species of plant life, vegetable life, we have to pass through. Jalajā nava-lakṣāni sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati, kṛmayo rudra-sāṅkhyakāḥ. And eleven hundred thousands of species of worms and reptiles. Sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati kṛmayo rudra, pakṣiṇāṁ daśa-lakṣaṇam. And there are ten hundred thousands of species of the birds. So similarly, there are 3,000,000 types of four-legged animals. And the human species of life are only 400,000 species, or types, as you take it.\nIn this way the total is 8,400,000's of types of bodies, and we have to pass through, by transmigration, from one body to another, another, another, another. Now we have got this civilized form of body. Prahlāda Mahārāja says that it is very rare opportunity. We should not misuse this body just like other animals. Then it will be our foolishness.\nDurlabhaṁ mānuṣaṁ janma tad apy adhruvam. When we have got this human form of body, then we shall live more than the cats and dogs? No. Adhruvam. Adhruvam means this body also will not exist. Adhruvam. It is not eternal. The soul is eternal, but the body is not eternal. But although it is not eternal, the distinction between this body and the animal body is that although it will not exist...\nAs a dog's body will not exist or a cat's body will not exist or the bird's body will not exist, similarly, this body also will not exist. That's a fact. But arthadam: but if you like, you can attain the highest perfection of life in this body. That is the opportunity. Therefore, from the very beginning, a child should be given opportunity how to make his life perfect. That is Vedic civilization.\nŚrīmad-Bhāgavata says that \"One should not become a father, one should not become a mother, one should not become a spiritual master, one should not become a guardian, one should not become a husband...\" In this way they have given a long list. Who? Who is that one? \"One who cannot give his dependent relief from death.\" Samupeta-mṛtyuḥ. Na mocayed yaḥ samupeta-mṛtyuḥ [SB 5.5.18]:\n[One who cannot deliver his dependents from the path of repeated birth and death should never become a spiritual master, a relative, a father, a husband, a mother or a worshipable demigod.]\n\"One who cannot make free his dependent.\" What is that freedom? \"Freedom from the cycle of birth and death.\" He should not become a father or mother or spiritual master, like that.\nAnd Prahlāda Mahārāja is also instructing in this way, that \"This human form body should be utilized fully for understanding our real position, our relationship with God, and our transaction, and dealings, and the basis of our relationship with God and what is the real goal of life.\" Caitanya Mahāprabhu has said that the real goal of life is premā pum-artho mahān [Caitanya-mañjusā].\n[The Supreme Personality of Godhead, the son of Nanda Mahārāja, is to be worshiped along with His transcendental abode, Vṛndāvana. The most pleasing form of worship for the Lord is that which was performed by the gopīs of Vṛndāvaṇa. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the spotless authority on everything, and pure love of God is the ultimate goal of life for all men. These statements, for which we have the highest regard, are the opinion of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu.]\nPrema, to attain love. Of course, in this material world, so many things are going on in the name of love. But actually there is no love; they are all lust, but going on in trade in the name of love. Love is possible only with Kṛṣṇa, or God. Premā pum-artho mahān.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu's... Not any other thing. Dharma artha kāma mokṣa [SB 4.8.41, Cc. Ādi 1.90].\n[Any person who desires the fruits of the four principles religiosity, economic development, sense gratification and, at the end, liberation, should engage himself in the devotional service of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, for worship of His lotus feet yields the fulfillment of all of these.]\nGenerally, people understand eating, sleeping and mating and fearing. That is the lowest grade of life. A little higher grade of life, they try to understand about some religious principle, and they are generally become religious for some gain, some material gain. Just like in the churches or in the temples they go, they ask some benefit from God, \"O God, give us our daily bread.\"\nOr somebody goes to temple, asks some benefit. So dharma, artha, kāma. Why they ask some benefit? Now, just to satisfy their senses, that's all. They have no other aim. Dharma artha kāma and mokṣa. And when they are dissatisfied or frustrated in sense gratification, then mokṣa, they want to become one with God.\nSo dharmārtha-kāma-mokṣa [SB 4.8.41].\n[Any person who desires the fruits of the four principles religiosity, economic development, sense gratification and, at the end, liberation, should engage himself in the devotional service of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, for worship of His lotus feet yields the fulfillment of all of these.]\nThese are the general demands. The lower class of men, they are simply demands of the body—something eating, something sleeping, defending and mating. And the higher class, little elevated, they are after religiosity and some material gain and sense gratification or, utmost, to become one with the Supreme. But they have no other ideas generally. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, \"No, above that there is another thing.\" That is prema, to love God. That is transcendental.\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the topmost, topmost knowledge how to love God and thereby enjoy life. Because we want to love. Unfortunately... The other day I was instructing my students that \"You just get yourself married.\" Now, they are confused. Somebody said, \"Where to get a nice girl?\" Just see.\nEveryone wants to love, but frustration. The girls will say, \"Where is a nice boy?\" So the tendency of love is there in everywhere, either in animal or in man, but the lovable object is missing. Missing. That is Kṛṣṇa. If you try to love Kṛṣṇa, then your life will be fulfilled: \"Oh, here is lovable object.\" Premā pum-artho mahān.\nTherefore Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu is consider to be most munificent personality.\nNamo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te\n[Cc. Madhya 19.53].\n[O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\nOh, Rūpa Gosvāmī is offering Him his obeisances, \"My dear Lord, You are the most magni..., munificent...\"\n[break] Why? Kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te: \"You are giving, distributing love of God, love of Kṛṣṇa.\" Kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya.\nSo we want to love somebody, but we are being frustrated. But if you try to love Kṛṣṇa, either as master or as friend or as the Supreme or as son or as husband or lover... There are so many relationship. Just try to establish, find out, what is the relationship with Kṛṣṇa, and this science is being taught in the matter of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nThank you very much. Any question? [break]\nShyamasundar\n:\n ...established with Kṛṣṇa is first established with the spiritual master?\n Yes. Every relationship... Just like I have given you example, business relationship. So if you want to establish some business relationship, there must be a broker. You see? If you want to establish a relationship with some girl, there must be a negotiator. Of course, in your country it is very free. In India it is no... There is no free love. There is a negotiator, either privately or through the parents.\nSo in every transaction there is a negotiator. So spiritual master is the negotiator. He is the broker—of course, without any brokerage. But he is supposed to be the broker, or the transparent medium. My Guru Mahārāja used to say, \"the transparent media, via media.\" Just like my eyes are not very perfect, so I am using this transparent via media to see. Similarly, because we have forgotten our relationship with Kṛṣṇa, or God, so we have to see through the transparent via media of spiritual master. Otherwise it is very difficult. That is the process. That is the process.\nTherefore Bhāgavata, er, Vedic literature gives you injunction,\ntad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet\n[Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12]. \n[To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.]\nTad-vijñānārtham. Tat means spiritual, or transcendental. If you want to understand about transcendental science, then tad-vijñānārtham, in order to understand that transcendental science, so gurum eva. Eva. Gurum means a spiritual master; eva, eva means must; and gacchet, gacchet also, it is used in the obli..., or the imperative, \"must.\"\nAnd who is a guru? Who is a spiritual master? That is also defined there. Otherwise he will be puzzled where to go. \"All right, I am ready to go to a spiritual master to understand the transcendental science, but who is a guru?\" Everyone will be ready: \"Oh, I am your guru. I am a spiritual master.\" No. There are signs. What is that?\nŚrotriyam. Śrotriyam means one who has perfectly heard the science of God from authoritative sources in disciplic succession. That is the qualification. Śrotriyam. And brahma-niṣṭham means not that simply he has heard, but the result is that he is firmly fixed up in God consciousness. These two qualifications.\nYou have to find out that whether this man is coming from disciplic succession, śrotriyam... Just like in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said,\nevaṁ paramparā-prāptam\n[Bg. 4.2]:\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\n\"By this disciplic succession, this science of Bhagavad-gītā was learned.\" So we have to approach to a spiritual master who is coming down from that disciplic succession. Then he is bona fide. Not only... He may be coming, but if he has not understood, then simply accepting will not do. Then the next symptom is śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12]. \n[To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.]\nBrahma-niṣṭham means he is firmly fixed up; nobody can deviate from his point of steadiness. These are the general. There are many other definition in different...\nAnd the disciple also, he must have also qualification to approach a spiritual master. It is not that because you have got a bona fide spiritual master, therefore you will be benefited. You must be also qualified. What is that qualification? What is the disciple's qualification? That is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam:\ntasmād guruṁ prapadyeta jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam\n[SB 11.3.21]. \n[Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.]\nŚreya uttamam. Everyone is engaged for some temporary benefit, everyone in this world, you will find. Everyone is very busy. When you speak, \"Please come to our temple,\" \"Sir, I am very busy.\" What is his business? The business is eating, sleeping and mating. That's all, his business.\nnidrayā hriyate naktaṁ\nvyavāyena ca vā vayaḥ\ndivā cārthehayā rājan\nkuṭumba-bharaṇena vā\n[SB 2.1.3]\n[The lifetime of such an envious householder is passed at night either in sleeping or in sex indulgence, and in the daytime either in making money or maintaining family members.]\nWhat is the engagement? At night, sleeping or sex indulgence, and at daytime, \"Where is money? Where is money?\" And if there is money, then \"Where to purchase these things?\" Go to the store. Go to the shop. Finish. So that sort of inquiry engagement is not a qualification for understanding spiritual science. One should be inquisitive. Jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam [SB 11.3.21].\n[Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.]\nOne should be inquisitive to understand what is the highest benefit of life. And that is the beginning of Vedānta-sūtra, athāto brahma jijñāsā. And the highest benefit of life is to understand the spiritual science or the supreme spirit, athāto brahma, brahma-jijñāsā.\nSo before establishing our relationship with God, we have to establish our relationship with the negotiator. If that relationship is firm and secure, then your realization of God is secure and firm. There is no doubt about it. If, fortunately, one gets a bona fide spiritual master and if he follows the instruction rigidly, then his God realization is guaranteed. There is no doubt about it. [break]\nShyamasundar\n: \nA person gets to..., meets the spiritual master, by the grace Kṛṣṇa? Then he has [indistinct] desires and [indistinct] Kṛṣṇa guidance?\n Yes. Yes. Kṛṣṇa is always with you. When you are anxious for Kṛṣṇa, or God, then Kṛṣṇa will give you direction that \"You please go to that person who is My representative.\" So Kṛṣṇa will help you from within and without. Therefore spiritual master is supposed to be Kṛṣṇa's representative from without, and Kṛṣṇa is sitting within yourself. So Kṛṣṇa is ready to help you from within and without, provided you are anxious to get that help.\nYes?\nShyamasundar\n:\n And as the student is anxious to learn, the spiritual master gives...?\n Certainly. Unless he is anxious to learn, what is the use of going to spiritual master? There is no need. That I already said. Jijñāsuḥ śreya uttamam [SB 11.3.21]. One must be very inquisitive. But inquisitive about what? For the supreme benefit. He should be inquisitive to learn the Supreme. Then he has the necessity of searching out or approaching a spiritual master. If there is no such demand, then there is no necessity of going to a spiritual master or accepting a spiritual master.\nA spiritual master should not be accepted as a matter of [indistinct]. Just like you keep some pet dog or cat, similarly if you want to keep one spiritual master, there is no profit. You see? You must be qualified to in..., become inquisitive to understand the spiritual science, and the spiritual master should be also qualified to answer your inquisitiveness. Then the relationship is nice, not one-sided.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, you talk about separation from God. You also speak about the fact that our consciousness is imperfect because it's contaminated by matter. What keeps the spirit separate from God after death, when it is separated from matter?",
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"content": "\n Just like a boy, his father is very rich man, but he has left his home, so he is separated. The same boy, when he comes to his senses, \"Oh, my father is so rich, and I am simply suffering for want of money. Let me go back to my father.\"\nAnd the father is always anxious to receive the boy. So if he goes back to his father, the father says, \"Yes, my dear boy, please come. I was so much anxious.\" So this separation means the father and the son relationship cannot be separated. But the son's rebellion to the father is separation.\nSimilarly, our relationship with God cannot be separated. God is supplying us everything, although we think, \"There is no God,\" \"God is dead,\" and all nonsense you may say. But it is due to God's grace that you are eating daily. That's a fact. Either you say, \"God give us our daily bread\" or you don't say, God is anxious to supply you bread. He is so kind, because you are His son.\n The separation means from the sun's side [?]. He thinks that God is dead, or God, there is no God. But he is so fool that he does not see that if there is no God. Then how he is eating, how he is sleeping, how he is mating, how he is living?\nIt is very common sense..Yes?",
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"content": "\n Just what exactly is meant when you talk about God or a soul living as separate from matter because there is no process?",
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"content": "\n Process? What you mean by process?",
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"content": "\n I mean when you say a person is living we.",
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"content": "\n You are living because you are soul. You are there within your body. You say it is your body. I say your body, you say my body or you say my body. So the body is not yourself.",
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"content": "\n Yeah but what means.",
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"content": "\n Therefore you are separate from the body. Just like it is your shirt, it is your coat. So you are not the coat, you are not the shirt. This is the preliminary understanding of transcendental science. The most miserable condition of materialistic mind is that they are identifying with this body. That is the., I mean to say most miserable condition of imperfectness or ignorance.\n[break] You're question is answered? If not you may clear it. Try to understand.",
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"content": "\n I was just wondering when you say, [indistinct] God is dead. What is meant by saying God is dead? Or even [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n They don't say that—that a person should say like that.",
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"content": "\n But what is meant? When they [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n That means they are.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] God.",
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"content": "\n Mūḍhāḥ means ass. Do you mean to say ass is very, laudable animal? He's a, why ass? Ass is loaded with so much bundles of cloth but none of the cloth belongs to him. Similarly a ass means he is loaded with so many books but he does not understand the real relationship with God. Therefore he is ass. Loaded with books only.\nYou have seen in India the washer man loads the ass with bundles of cloth but none of the cloth belongs to him. He is simply burden of beast. So similarly the modern education they are simply loaded with books but they have no preliminary knowledge that he is part and parcel of God. Therefore he is ass. Compared with this ass. He is simply loaded that's all. We should compare in this way and this mūḍhāḥ, exactly if you see Sanskrit dictionary mūḍhāḥ means the ass.\nAnd ignorance means the animal. What is the difference between man and animal? Animal is ignorant. Now you just., you have seen that one animal is being slaughtered, another animal is standing and eating grass. It does not know the next turns is mine. This is animalism. Ignorance. But added with a., Case in the man, \"Oh, this is next one, let me go away from this place.\"\nAt least he will try, he will cry, make protest. But there is no protest. Because it is animal. That is the distinction between man and animal. Animal has no knowledge what he is. What is his position in this world. That is animalism.",
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"content": "\n Eh? Yes, he was enemy. Because he was wrongly chastising. Because Prahlāda Mahārāja was fully conscious of Kṛṣṇa and he was protesting. That, \"Who is Kṛṣṇa. There is no Kṛṣṇa. There is no God.\" Such father is enemy. Therefore when the father was killed by Nṛsiṁha-deva he did not protest. He could have said, \"My Lord.\" Of course he said in the last but not to protect his body but to protect his soul. [End]",
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"content": "\n\n...jñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena tasmai śrī-gurave-namaḥ\n[\"I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who with the torchlight of knowledge has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance.\"]\n[aside:] I think it should be down little. All right. That's all. Yes.\nśrī-caitanya-mano-'bhīṣṭaṁ sthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale\nsvayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ dadāti sva-padāntikam\n[\"When will Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet?\"]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[\"O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.\"]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devi praṇamāmi hari-priye\n[\"I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.\"]\nvāñchā-kalpatarubhyaś ca kṛpā-sindhubhya eva ca\npatitānāṁ pāvanebhyo vaiṣṇavebhyo namo namaḥ\n[\"I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇava devotees of the Lord. They can fulfill the desires of everyone, just like desire trees, and they are full of compassion for the fallen souls.\"]\nśrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya prabhu nityānanda\nśrī-advaita gadādhara śrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda\n[\"I offer my obeisances to Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya, Prabhu Nityānanda, Śrī Advaita, Gadādhara, Śrīvāsa and all others in the line of devotion.\"]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[\"My dear Lord, and the spiritual energy of the Lord, kindly engage me in Your service. I am now embarrassed with this material service. Please engage me in Your service.\"]\nSo Ladies and Gentlemen, I thank you very much for your taking so much trouble in participating with us in this great movement of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. As I am repeatedly placing before you with all humbleness, that this movement is very, very much essential, not only at the present moment, but also all the time, especially in this age, Kali-yuga, the age of disagreement and quarrel. Kali-yuga means nobody agrees with anyone. Everyone has got his own opinion, however condemned it may be. And on that point everyone is prepared to fight with one. Therefore it is called Kali-yuga.\nSo putting different theories, philosophical speculations, will not solve the problems of the world, because not only during this age, but in all other ages also, there are different philosophers, different scriptures. That is the law of this material nature. Here there is no oneness. Duality. This world is meant for duality. So it is called dvaita. Dvaita means duality.\nSo Kṛṣṇa dāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī, he says,\ndvaite bhadrābhadra sakali samāna\nei bhāla ei manda saba manodharma\n[Cc. Antya 4.176]\nIn the world of dualities, bhadrābhadra, \"This is good, this is bad. This is nice, this is not nice,\" they are simply mental speculation, because in this world nothing is nice. Everything is bad, because it is not eternal. Therefore Śaṅkarācārya said, jagan mithyā, brahma satya. That's a fact. These, anything, the varieties of this world: temporary. That is the right word. It is not mithyā; it is temporary fact. The Vaiṣṇava philosopher says that this world is not false, but temporary, anitya. Anitya saṁsāre moho janamiyā.\nŚrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura said, jaḍa-vidyā saba māyāra vaibhava: \"Advancement of material science is increasing the illusion of māyā.\" We are already illusioned, and if you go on increasing the illusion more and more, then we become more and more entangled. That is the nature. And so long we are illusioned, we shall put forward different theories, different philosophies and different arguments.\nTherefore śāstra says, tarko apratiṣṭhaḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. Simply by argument and reasoning, you cannot make any spiritual advancement. Because you may be very good, I mean to say, logician, putting forward nice arguments, but somebody may come who is better than you. He will spoil all your logic, and he will establish his own logic. That is nyāya-śāstra. In Sanskrit there is nyāya-śāstra. So they are taught how to defeat his opponent.\nTherefore the Absolute Truth you cannot understand by argument, by material dealings. In the Brahma-saṁhitā it is said,\npanthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara-sampragamyo\nvāyor athāpi manaso muni-puṅgavānām\nso 'py asti yat-prapada-sīmny avicintya-tattve\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.34]\nPanthās tu koṭi-śata-vatsara-sampragamyaḥ. [microphone cuts out] Just like in the material science they are trying to go to the moon planet or other planets also by certain standard of speed in the sputnik. [aside:] It is not working? [microphone comes back on] They are finding it difficult even to go to the moon planet, which is the nearest planet to the earth. And there are innumerable other planets. And the modern scientists calculate that the highest planet, if we want to go there, it will take the sputnik speed, which is running eighteen thousand miles per hour; in that speed if we go forty thousands of years, we can reach the highest planetary system within this material world.\nBut so far the kingdom of God, which is called Vaikuṇṭhaloka, or sanātana-dhāma, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, paras tasmāt tu bhāvo 'nya 'vyakta 'vyaktāt sanātanaḥ [Bg. 8.20]. That is sanātana-dhāma. There is—we get this information from the Bhagavad-gītā—the kingdom of God, where everything is permanent. Within this material world, everything is nonpermanent, temporary.\nAnything you take, it has got its creation, it stays for some time, it produces some by-product, then it grows, and then it dwindles and then it vanishes. Anything you take. Just like our body: it is produced at a certain time by combination of the semina of father and mother, and then it grows, it stays for some time and it produces some by-products, then becomes older and older, and then vanishes. This is called ṣaḍ-vikāra, six kinds of changes of material world.\nSo although it is temporary, we cannot say it is false. It is not false. That is the difference between Māyāvāda philosophy and Vaiṣṇava philosophy. The Vaiṣṇava philosopher takes the temporary thing, although temporary. They know how to make the best use of a bad bargain. That is Vaiṣṇava philosophy. Nirbandhe kṛṣṇa-sambandhe yukta-vairāgyam ucyate.\nanāsaktasya viṣayān\nyathārham upayuñjataḥ\nnirbandhe kṛṣṇa-sambandhe\nyukta-vairāgyam ucyate\n[Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.255]\nThat is the direction given by the Gosvāmīs. And other side is:\nprāpañcikatayā buddhyā\nhari-sambandhi-vastunaḥ\nmumukṣubhiḥ parityāgo\nphalgu-vairāgyaṁ kathyate\n[Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.256]\nSo phalgu-vairāgya and yukta-vairāgya. Phalgu-vairāgya means inferior renunciation, or false renunciation. And yukta-vairāgya means actual renunciation. What is that difference? Prāpañcikatayā buddhyā. The Māyāvādī philosophers, they are giving up this world as false, māyā. Prāpañcikatayā buddhyā hari-sambandhi-vastunaḥ.\nJust like sometimes we are criticized because we are using the advantages offered by the material science. Just like I am using this microphone. So the people may criticize, \"If this world is false, the material world is false, then why should I take advantage of this material product?\" They expect that those who are spiritualists, they should go to Himalayas, giving up, giving up everything material and meditate in a solitary place, in snow-covered area.\nBut Vaiṣṇava philosophy does not think like that. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi grāma [CB Antya-khaṇḍa 4.126]. He does not recommend, although He was a sannyāsī, He was in renounced order of life; He gave up His family, beautiful wife, very affectionate mother, very comfortable home, very prestige, too much prestige of His personality in the society. He gave up everything. He was in the prime age of His youthful life, twenty-four years only, but He gave up everything.\ntyaktvā su-dustyaja-surepsita-rājya-lakṣmīṁ\ndharmiṣṭha-ārya-vacasā yad agād araṇyam\nmāyā-mṛgaṁ dayitayepsitam anvadhāvad\nvande mahā-puruṣa te caraṇāravindam\n[SB 11.5.34]\nThis prayer is offered to Lord Caitanya in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. But although He renounced this material world, He is never unmindful of the conditioned souls. Therefore He says that,\npṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi grāma\nsarvatra pracāra haibe mora nāma\n[CB Antya-khaṇḍa 4.126]\nOr He wants that..., He predicted that \"All over the world, as many villages and towns are there, this saṅkīrtana movement should be spread.\"\nThat is the responsibility given to the human society of Bhārata-varṣa at least. Because we followers of the footsteps of Lord Caitanya, beginning from Rūpa Gosvāmī, who is giving us direction that nirbandhe kṛṣṇa-sambandhe yukta-vairāgyam ucyate. Prāpañcikatayā... Anāsaktasya viṣayān. There are two use, two kinds of uses of everything. Just like this microphone is being used for spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the same microphone can be used for singing a cinema song. So microphone is not bad, but as you use it for different purposes it is bad or good.\nSimilarly, this world, or things which we accept for our maintenance of the soul..., body and soul together, they are called viṣaya. Viṣaya means eating, sleeping, mating and defending. That is viṣaya. So anāsaktasya viṣayān. We should not be attached to the viṣayas. Just like eating. Everyone is eating. You are eating, I am also eating. So what is the difference between you and me? The difference is that we who are engaged in the service of the Lord, we are eating for maintaining the body just to keep ourselves fit for working for the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Another person, he is also eating; he is eating to satisfy his palate or with the aim simply to make the body stout and strong.\nSo nirbandhe kṛṣṇa-sambandhe. We should not give up anything. That is not Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is not advice of Lord Kṛṣṇa in the Bhagavad-gītā. He never says Arjuna that \"You give up this fighting and go to the Himalayas and sit down silently there to meditate.\" Never He advises. We are following that. As Kṛṣṇa says, as Kṛṣṇa advises to Arjuna, yuddhyasva mām anusmaran... So long you are in this material world, you have to fight, because this material world is called avidyā-karma-samjña anyā tṛtīyā śaktir iṣyate [Cc. Madhya 6.154].\nThis energy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, material energy, it is called avidyā-karma-samjña. Here the position is everyone is ignorant, and he has to work for his maintenance. Even a small ant which requires a grain of sugar, he has to work also very hard. And the elephant, who eats hundred pounds at a time, he has also to work. Even a rich man, he has also to work, and a very poor man, he has also to work. Therefore this material energy is called avidyā-karma-samjña anya.\nSo our Kṛṣṇa consciousness philosophy is that we have to work, but we should work for the best bargain. That is our philosophy. And that is taught in Bhagavad-gītā. There are, according to Vedānta philosophy, there are five kinds of interest, or artha, pañcārtha. What is that? God: first of all to know what is God. Next, to understand what is jīva, or the living entity. Then, what is this material nature, or what is that spiritual nature. Īśvara, jīva, prakṛti. And then time—what is the time factor, past, present and future. And then there is karma, activities. These five things, primary principles of philosophical speculation or philosophical understanding, are very clearly stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: īśvara, jīva, prakṛti, kāla and activity.\nSo out of these five, īśvara, the Lord; the jīva, the living entity; the nature, prakṛti; and the time factor, as well as the..., they are eternal. They are not temporary. But the material energy is temporary. Actually what is the difference between material energy and spiritual energy? The difference is material energy, the consciousness is different, and in the spiritual energy, the consciousness is Kṛṣṇa. That is the difference.\nJust like the sky. The sky is one, but when there is cloud, it is called clouded sky. The sky is the same. The clouded sky is not different from the original sky, but the cloud has come and has covered the sun. Not the sun—it is not the actual term—the cloud has covered my eyes. The cloud cannot cover the sun. The sun is fourteen hundred times..., fourteen hundred thousands of times bigger than the earth. Now, how a cloud spreading over, say, one hundred miles or two hundred miles can cover the sun? It is not possible. It covers the eyes of us who are within one hundred and two hundred miles.\nSo as the cloudy sky is not different from the original sky, it is simply covered, simply..., similarly, this material world is not different from the spiritual world, but it is simply covered. In ignorance we forget Kṛṣṇa. That's all. The forgetfulness is compared with the cloud. That is stated in simple Bengali poetry:\nkṛṣṇa bhuliya jīva bhoga vāñchā kare\npāśate māyā tāre jāpaṭiyā dhare\n[Prema-vivarta]\nAs soon as we forget Kṛṣṇa... Because we are eternally part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, there cannot be any separation. There cannot be any separation between us and Kṛṣṇa because we are eternally related. But a cloudy thing, which is called forgetfulness, that comes between us, and we cannot see, we cannot understand Kṛṣṇa. That is diffi...\nNāhaṁ prakāśaḥ sarvasya yoga-māyā samāvṛtaḥ [Bg. 7.25]. You will find in the Bhagavad-gītā that \"I am not visible to everyone. Because yogamāyā..., there is a curtain between Me and the material world, which is called yogamāyā.\" So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, or devotional movement, is a process by which we can move that curtain and we can see Kṛṣṇa face to face. This is the process.\nSo prāpañcika. Therefore Rūpa Gosvāmī says the process is anāsaktasya viṣayān yathārham upayuñjataḥ [Brs. 1.2.255]. You... We should be unattached to the material necessities of life. It is not that we shall neglect this body, because a body is vehicle for understanding. So we cannot neglect it. Just like you take care of your car. You ride on your car. For business you go from one place to another. So you have to keep it fit so that it can move very nicely, it can carry out your order. Similarly, there is no necessity of neglecting this body.\nAs it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, yuktāhāra vihārasya yogo bhavati siddhi [Bg. 6.17]. We do not say that \"You don't eat,\" but we say that \"You eat Kṛṣṇa prasāda, bhagavat-prasāda.\" You satisfy your tongue. You do not starve, but you satisfy your tongue by the foodstuff which is offered to Kṛṣṇa. That is our proposal. We do not say that \"You don't sleep,\" but we say, \"Yes, you sleep. But sleep as much as possible so that to keep your body fit.\"\nWe do not say that \"You don't have sex life,\" but you have, have it. Just like in this association you'll find my disciples, out of them, there are many gṛhasthas. So there is no check that the woman and man should not mix. No. But they should mix together for producing Kṛṣṇa conscious children. You have seen the sample of one Kṛṣṇa conscious child. She's always dancing, and she's always jolly. She's always jolly, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nSo in this way, Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to Kṛṣṇa-ize everything favorably. That is called śaraṇāgati. Just like Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. That does not mean that it was told to Kṛṣṇa..., Arjuna... So Arjuna did not give up his profession as a fighter, but he submitted to Kṛṣṇa. He Kṛṣṇa-ized the fighting principle. He fought for Kṛṣṇa, not that he gave up fighting. In the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā he was a fighter, soldier. And at the end of his understanding Bhagavad-gītā he remained a fighter and a soldier, but his consciousness was changed. That is the difference.\nSimilarly, the activities of this material world which is going on, we do not say, like the Māyāvāda philosophers, that brahma satya jagan mithyā. According to the leader of Māyāvāda philosophers, Śrīpāda Śaṅkarācārya, his perfection of life begins when one takes to sannyāsa. The Śaṅkarācārya philosophers, they do not admit anyone as realized soul unless he has accepted sannyāsa.\nBut Vaiṣṇava philosophy is not like that. Vaiṣṇava philosophy is that you may remain in any condition of life—it doesn't matter—but you become Kṛṣṇa conscious. That's all.\nīhā yasya harer dāsye\nkarmaṇā manasā vācā\nnikhilāsv apy avasthāsu\njīvan muktaḥ sa ucyate\n[Brs. 1.2.187]\nThat is the direction by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī. Īhā yasya harer dāsye. One who is always anxious to serve the Supreme Lord... Because my natural constitutional position is to serve Kṛṣṇa. And because I am covered by the ignorance injected by the māyā, I am thinking, \"I am servant of this, servant of my country, servant of my society, servant of my body.\" If not, \"I am servant of my dog, of my cat.\" So that is my position.\nBut actually I am servant of Kṛṣṇa. As I am thinking at present moment, \"I am servant of this, servant of that,\" we have to give up this servant..., servitorship or servitude, and we have to turn our face toward Kṛṣṇa. That is perfection of life. Īhā yasya harer dāsye. Jīvan muktaḥ sa ucyate. Nikhilāsv apy avasthāsu. That is the direction of Rūpa Gosvāmī, that it doesn't matter in what condition of life you are now. You may be an Indian, you may be a European, you may be American, you may be Hindu, you may be Christian, you may be Muhammadan, but you should think that you are eternal servant of God, or Kṛṣṇa. \"Kṛṣṇa\" is the right terminology what we mean by God.\nSo that consciousness will save you. And that consciousness will make my life, this human form of life, perfect. Rūpa Gosvāmī says, anāsaktasya viṣayān yathārham upayuñjataḥ, nirbandhe kṛṣṇa-sambandhe. The same thing, the same philosophy, as I have already explained, that there is no restriction in accepting the bodily necessities of life, but you accept so much only as it will help you to advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Don't take less, don't take much.\nAccept properly. That is the law of nature. Nature does not allow you to take more or less. Just like salt. Salt is an ingredient which you want very badly in every, I mean to say, morsel of foodstuff. But if you take more salt, it will spoil the foodstuff, and if you take less, then it will not be tasteful. So you have to take salt simply as much as you require, neither more nor less.\nSo our main business should be how to improve in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So far other things are required, bodily necessities, that is recommended by Rūpa Gosvāmī, anāsaktasya: \"Don't be attached.\" Don't take food..., don't eat simply for satisfying your palate. That is called sense enjoyment. But you, just to keep yourself fit, just to keep your body fit for giving service to the Lord, you can eat kṛṣṇa-prasādam. And so far kṛṣṇa-prasādam is concerned, it is not very bad; it is very good.\nWe offer... Of course, those who are followers of Vedic principles of life, they know how nice foodstuff can be offered to Kṛṣṇa. There are hundreds and thousands of varieties of fruits. There is nice grains also, there is nice milk also, there is sugar also. So you can prepare nice foodstuff on these ingredients, which are considered sattvika, sattvikāhāra. Fruits, grains, vegetables and sugar, rice, wheat, they are considered as sattvikāhāra. So you can prepare.\nKṛṣṇa also says that patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyaṁ yo me bhaktyā prayacchati [Bg. 9.26]. Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Lord. He can eat everything. Just like we have evidences from His life, sometimes He ate fire. Blazing fire in the forest, He ate up. So He can eat everything because He is God. He has got the potency of accepting anything. That is a different thing. But when He demands from His devotee, He says, patraṁ puṣpaṁ phalaṁ toyam. So we have satisfy Him from these groups. Patraṁ puṣpam means vegetables, fruits, grains; and toyam, water or milk, like that. And you partake the prasāda.\nSometimes I am questioned in European countries that \"What is the difference between patraṁ puṣpam? That is also eatable. They are also vegetable. They have got life. Why do you ask us not to eat meat because they are living being?\" So answer is that it is not the question of living being. Every living being has to eat another living being. That is the law of nature. Jīvo jīvasya jīvanam. The... Those who have got hands, they are eating the handless of the animals. Those who have not..., those who have got legs, they are eating the legless, just like the vegetables. Just like cows, goats, or other animals, they are eating grass. The grass is also a living entity, but it has no legs. It is being eaten up by another animal which has got legs.\nSimilarly, we are also a kind of animal with hands. We are eating another animal, which has no hands. Similarly, those who are strong, even in animal kingdom or vegetable kingdom, those who are strong, they are eating the less strong. In this way the whole world is maintained by one animal is eating another animal or one living entity is eating another living entity. That is the law of nature. Jīvo jīvasya jīvanam. \nSo you are not interfering with the right of the living entity. A tiger has got the right to eat another animal. So we are not going to preach amongst the tigers that \"You become vegetarian\" or \"You become Kṛṣṇa conscious.\" That is not our business. Our business is that we are inducing, we are entreating, we are requesting people that \"You take Kṛṣṇa prasāda.\" That is our business. To become vegetarian or nonvegetarian is not very big business. We do not admit that vegetarians are very much pious and nonvegetarians are not pious. No. Not like that. We say that everyone is impious who is not taking foodstuff offered to Kṛṣṇa. That is our view. Anyone.\nThat is stated by Kṛṣṇa. Yajña-śiṣṭāśinaḥ santo mucyante sarva-kilbiṣaiḥ: \"Anyone who is eating foodstuff offered to Yajña, to Viṣṇu or Kṛṣṇa, he is diminishing his volumes of sinful life.\" Bhuñjate te tv aghaṁ pāpā ye pacanty ātma-kāraṇāt [Bg. 3.13]: \"And anyone who is cooking for himself, not for Kṛṣṇa, then he is simply eating a lump of sinful life.\" It doesn't matter whether he is vegetarian or nonvegetarian. This is the philosophy of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We have to eat what is offered to Kṛṣṇa. Yajña-śiṣṭāśinaḥ santo mucyante sarva. \nYajñārthe karmaṇo 'nyatra loko 'yaṁ karma-bandhanaḥ [Bg. 3.9]. If you simply work for Kṛṣṇa... That is called karma-yoga. One who is working simply for Kṛṣṇa, he is karma-yogī. You have got tendency to work. You have got tendency to flourish yourself by advancing industrialism. That's nice. You go on, do it. We don't forbid it. But do it for Kṛṣṇa. Make Kṛṣṇa center. That is the whole teachings of Bhagavad-gītā. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. You offer... Kuruṣva tad mad-arpaṇam. Yat karoṣi. \"Whatever you do, it doesn't matter. Whatever you eat,\" yat karoṣi yaj juhoṣi, \"whatever you sacrifice, whatever you give in charity, give unto Me.\" Kuruṣva tat mad-arpaṇam. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to educate people how to live in spiritual atmosphere, and then there will be peace and prosperity. Unless one is in spiritual life... Because factually, we are spiritual entities. Mamaivāṁśaḥ. We are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is the whole spirit, and we are His part and parcel. Just like a machine, and there is small screw, a part of the machine. The screw, although it has no value, but because it is a part of the machine, big machine, if that screw is missing, you will have to purchase at any price. It has got value. The same screw, when it is without the machine, it has no value, because it is only a small particle of the machine.\nSimilarly, when we are out of the atmosphere, we are out of Kṛṣṇa atmosphere... There are many examples. Just like a fire and the sparks of the fire. They are of the same quality. If the spark of the fire falls on your cloth, it will immediately burn. But the spark of the fire and the whole fire is different in quantity. But in quality the spark of the fire is as good as the fire.\nThere are many examples. You can understand what is our relationship with Kṛṣṇa, or God. We are small. We are atomic small, and Kṛṣṇa is unlimitedly great. That is the difference. Otherwise, so far quality is concerned, Kṛṣṇa and ourself, the same. As the parts and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, if we live always with Kṛṣṇa, then we are in spiritual life. If we always live in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, that in spite of our living in this material world we are called jīvan mukta, \"liberated in this material condition.\" Jīvan mukta. He has got to die and take liberation. Even in this life he is liberated.\nThat is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nmāṁ ca 'vyabhicāriṇi-\nbhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate\nsa guṇān samatītyaitān\nbrahma-bhūyāya kalpate\n[Bg. 14.26]\nHe is already Brahman-realized. Kṛṣṇa says, \"Anyone who is engaged in My devotional service, avyabhicāriṇi, without any deviation, twenty-four hours,\" as we are teaching these boys and girls... This function is meant for engaging them there twenty-four hours in Kṛṣṇa's business. They are going to outside for securing advertisement. It may seem equal that another man has got to secure advertisement and they have also got securing advertisement, but there is gulf of difference. They have gone for Kṛṣṇa, and others, they have gone for sense gratification. That is the difference.\nIn this way you can mold your life in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, twenty-four hours engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and you live in brahma-bhūtaḥ. You haven't got to try for becoming brahma-bhūtaḥ or you have to realize Brahman separately. You are already in brahma-bhūtaḥ stage. Sa guṇan samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate. Brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā na śocati na kāṅkṣati [Bg. 18.54]. These statements are in the Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo in the Bhagavad-gītā it is taught what is God, what is nature of God and who is God, and what is these living entities, we living entities, and what is our relationship. These things are taught in the Bhagavad-gītā. We have to find out. Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He says,\nahaṁ sarvasya prabhavo\nmattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate\niti matvā bhajante māṁ\nbudhā-bhāva-samanvitāḥ\n[Bg. 10.8]\nSo Kṛṣṇa is the origin of everything. Ahaṁ sarvasya prabhavaḥ. Sarvasya means including all other demigods. Even Brahma, Lord Śiva, and even Viṣṇu, they are emanations from Kṛṣṇa. We have got in the Vedic literature how Kṛṣṇa is the original person. Therefore Arjuna accepted, paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān [Bg. 10.12].\nAnd the Gosvāmīs, the six Gosvāmīs, they have analyzed Kṛṣṇa's characteristic, Nārāyaṇa's characteristic, Lord Śiva's characteristic, Lord Brahmā's characteristic. They have analyzed very scrutinizingly everything, and they have found it that Kṛṣṇa is cent percent God. Nārāyaṇa is ninety-six percent God, Lord Śiva is eighty-four percent God, Lord Brahmā is fifty per..., seventy-eight percent God. Of course, those who have studied Vedic literature, especially the book named Bhakti-rasāmṛta sindhu, given by Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, which we have translated into English, Nectar of Devotion, or The Science of Devotion...\nSo you have to learn from the Vedic literatures what is God, what are the living entities, what is their relationship, what is our ultimate goal of life. But everything is very nicely, and concise form, is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. But we have to study Bhagavad-gītā as it is, I mean to say, directed, not according to the whimsical commentators. Nothing should be studied which is against the principles of bhakti-yoga mentioned in the Bhagavad-gītā.\nAs I have told you yesterday, Kṛṣṇa said to Arjuna, bhakto 'si, priyo 'si me [Bg. 4.3]. \"Because you are My pure devotee, because you are My friend, dear friend, therefore I am speaking to you Bhagavad-gītā, which is very mysterious,\" rahasyaṁ hy etad uttamam. And that mystery is very nice. So in order to understand Bhagavad-gītā we have to learn it from the devotee. That is also not very difficult. It is not necessary that you have to find out a devotee. The devotee is already there: Arjuna. And if you simply follow the footsteps of Arjuna, if you simply try to understand Bhagavad-gītā as Arjuna understood, then your study of Bhagavad-gītā is complete. That is not difficult.\nSo as Arjuna said, that paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān [Bg. 10.12]: \"You are the Supreme Personality.\" Śāśvataṁ puruṣa. He is accepted puruṣa. Puruṣa, the Supreme Lord, puruṣa; the bhokta, the enjoyer. And He's paraṁbrahman and pavitra, uncontaminated. Pavitra means uncontaminated by the material nature. Paramaṁ bhavān: and He is the rest of everything. Kṛṣṇa also says,\nmayā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ\njagat avyakta-mūrtinā\nmat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni\nnāhaṁ teṣu avasthitaḥ\n[Bg. 9.4]\nSo everything is there. Kṛṣṇa says that \"I am spread all over the world, all over the universe,\" avyakta-mūrtinā, \"in My impersonal form. But everything is resting upon Me, but I am not there.\" These contradictory terms, how it is satisfied, how it is mitigated, we have to learn from a person who knows Kṛṣṇa, not from others.\nTherefore Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu recommended one brāhmaṇa who went to see Him by writing some books, and they were not in order. His secretary, Svarūpa Dāmodara Gosvāmī, disqualified, that \"These books are not written the right order.\" He was surprised. He was supposed to be a great scholar of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, but Svarūpa Gosvāmī nullified him that \"You do not know anything.\"\nThen he advised him, because that person was very submissive, he advised him that bhāgavata paro diya bhāgavata sthāne: \"Just try to understand Bhāgavata from the person bhāgavata.\" Person bhāgavata. There are two kinds of bhāgavatas. One is book Bhāgavata, and there is another bhāgavata, who is person bhāgavata. Bhāgavata means in relationship with Bhagavān. To those who have dedicated their life... One who has dedicated his life only for the service of the Lord, Bhagavān, he is called bhāgavata.\nSo as, if we want to learn some specific subject, we have to accept a proper authority or a bona fide teacher, similarly, if we want to learn the science of God, we have to approach a person who knows the science. Not that a casual person takes one Bhagavad-gītā and writes his comment, and it goes on for some ulterior purpose. In that way you cannot understand Bhagavad-gītā. And Bhagavān, Kṛṣṇa, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61].\nHe is situated in everyone's heart. So as soon as you are actually a devotee... He is everyone's heart but He is silent. But as soon as one is devotee, one is inclined to serve Kṛṣṇa, at that time He gives him intelligence. He does not give intelligence... He gives others intelligence in a different way, as we want. Everyone, because we are free, so as we want. Because without sanction of Kṛṣṇa, we cannot do anything. Therefore one has to take sanction from Kṛṣṇa for doing anything.\nSo for others He gives sanction, \"All right. You do it.\" Because He will see. Kṛṣṇa does not say that \"You do it,\" because He perceives that I must do it. So Kṛṣṇa gives the sanction. That is one sanction. But there is another sanction, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. That is sanction for the devotees. Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam [Bg. 10.10]. Teṣām. \"For those who are twenty-four hours engaged in My service.\" Satata-yukta. Satata means always, and without any deviation. Simply in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, thinking everything in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He is seeing one flower...\nYou'll be surprised. This little girl, the other day we were walking in Hanging Garden, and this little girl, as soon as she saw some flower, immediately she expressed her opinion that these flowers should be taken and made into garland for Kṛṣṇa. This is Kṛṣṇa conscious. She is being taught from the very beginning of her life how to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. So it is not difficult. It depends only on training. Even in this old age. And especially in this age this method is very simple. Simply we have to agree to accept it. That's all. Otherwise Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the simplest form of self-realization and advancement in spiritual life.\nSo Kṛṣṇa, as I was talking, that Kṛṣṇa is sitting in everyone's heart. And as soon as one is inclined to serve Him, He is also ready to respond immediately. Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam [Bg. 10.10]. One who is engaged twenty-four hours in His service, in Kṛṣṇa's service, bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam, not as a matter of routine... Of course, we have to begin as a matter of routine. But when you develop gradually love for Him, that is called prīti.\nJust like this Deity worship. Our students, first of all they are engaged in a matter of duty of devotional service. Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanaṁ viṣṇoḥ smaraṇaṁ pāda-sevanam arcanam [SB 7.5.23]. This is called arcanam. But by worshiping the Deity he feels an attachment for service. That is natural. Tathāsakti. It is called āsakti. It will develop if you begin Kṛṣṇa consciousness at your home. Then you will feel at a certain stage an attachment for Kṛṣṇa. Āsakti. Ādau śraddhā tato sādhu-saṅga.\nadau śraddhā tato sādhu-\nsaṅga atha bhajana-kriyā\ntato anartha-nivṛttiḥ syāt\ntato niṣṭhā tataḥ rucis\ntathāsaktis tato bhāvas\nsādhakānām ayaṁ premṇaḥ\nprādurbhāve bhavet kramaḥ\n[Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.4.15-16]\nThese are the different stage.\nNow you are coming in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. This is called śraddhā, a little faith. And if you increase that faith... How it can be increased? By association with devotees. Ādau śraddhā tataḥ sādhu-saṅga [Cc. Madhya 23.14-15]. Sādhu means devotees. It is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, api cet su-durācāro bhajate mām ananya-bhāk, sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ [Bg. 9.30]. Even these boys, these European and American boys, you do not find they are correct to the principle, still they are sādhu, because they have engaged themselves in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ. Even though you find cause... Because their forefather, their fathers, they did not teach anything; they are learning new. So even you find some fault in their activities, don't think that they are not sādhu. Kṛṣṇa said, api cet su-durācāro bhajate mām ananya-bhāk, sādhur eva sa mantavyaḥ. Sādhu. Sādhu means those who are devotees.\nSo the symptom of a devotee is: always engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And Kṛṣṇa is sitting within everyone's heart. As soon as He sees that \"This particular living entity is very much interested in Me,\" teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam dadāmi buddhi-yogaṁ tam [Bg. 10.10], immediately dictates from within that \"You do like this. You do like that.\" What is that dictation? Yena mām upayānti te. That dictation is favorable for advancing towards Kṛṣṇa. That dictation is not favorable for advancing towards to hell[?], but that dictation is favorable to advance towards Kṛṣṇa. Why does He say...., why does He do like that? That is His special favor. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nteṣām evānukampārtham\naham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥ\nnāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-[stho]\njñāna-dīpena bhāsvatā\n[Bg. 10.11]\nThis is Kṛṣṇa's business: responsive cooperation. As you advance, as you try to serve Kṛṣṇa sincerely, sevonmukhe hi jihvādau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.136]. We cannot realize Kṛṣṇa, or God, by mental speculation or by material advancement. We have to render service to Kṛṣṇa. Then Kṛṣṇa will be pleased and He will give you dictation from within how we can make advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. And that is the successful life of human form of existence.\nThank you very much. [applause] [end]",
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"content": "\n Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. [Prabhupāda and devotees repeat] [leads chanting of verse, etc.]\njanmādy asya yato 'nvayād itarataś cārtheṣv abhijñaḥ svarāṭ\ntene brahma hṛdā ya ādi-kavaye muhyanti yat sūrayaḥ\ntejo-vāri-mṛdāṁ yathā vinimayo yatra tri-sargo 'mṛṣā\ndhāmnā svena sadā nirasta-kuhakaṁ satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi\n[SB 1.1.1]\n[Prabhupāda interrupts chanting: \"Not all at a time. Practise, then...\" Pradyumna resumes chanting one word at a time, then a line at a time]",
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"content": "\nSo, next, anyone? [devotees chant, with Prabhupāda correcting] Any girls? [lady devotee chants with Prabhupāda correcting] Any other girl? [lady devotee chants] Very good. So? Word meaning.",
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"content": "\n [leads chanting of synonyms]\nom—O my Lord; namaḥ—offering my obeisances; bhagavate—unto the Personality of Godhead; vāsudevāya—unto Vāsudeva (the son of Vasudeva), or Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the primeval Lord; janma-ādi—creation, sustenance and destruction; asya—of the manifested universes; yataḥ—from whom; anvayāt—directly; itarataḥ—indirectly; ca—and; artheṣu—purposes; abhijñaḥ—fully cognizant; sva-rāṭ—fully independent; tene—imparted; brahma—the Vedic knowledge; hṛdā—consciousness of the heart; yaḥ—one who; ādi-kavaye—unto the original created being; muhyanti—are illusioned; yat—about whom; sūrayaḥ—great sages and demigods; tejaḥ—fire; vāri—water; mṛdām—earth; yathā—as much as; vinimayaḥ—action and reaction; yatra—whereupon; tri-sargaḥ—three modes of creation, creative faculties; amṛṣā—almost factual; dhāmnā—along with all transcendental paraphernalia; svena—self-sufficiently; sadā—always; nirasta—negation by absence; kuhakam—illusion; satyam—truth; param—absolute; dhīmahi—I do meditate upon.\nTranslation: \"I offer my obeisances unto Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the son of Vasudeva, who is the supreme, all-pervading Personality of Godhead. I meditate upon Him, the transcendent reality, who is the primeval cause of all causes, from whom all manifested universes arise, in whom they dwell and by whom they are destroyed. I meditate upon that eternally effulgent Lord who is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations and yet is beyond them. It is He only who first imparted Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmā, the first created being. Through Him this world, like a mirage, appears real even to great sages and demigods. Because of Him, the material universes, created by the three modes of nature, appear to be factual, although they are unreal. I meditate therefore upon Him, the Absolute Truth, who is eternally existent in His transcendental abode, and who is forever free of illusion.\"",
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"content": "\n So Vyāsadeva is offering his obeisances unto the Supreme Lord, Kṛṣṇa. Oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Bhagavate, \"unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is known as Vāsudeva.\" Vāsudeva means the son of Vasudeva. Even the leader of the impersonalists, namely Śaṅkarācārya, he has accepted that the Supreme Personality of Godhead appeared as the son of Vasudeva and Devakī.\nPeople may not misunderstand. Just like we give identification by giving the name of father, mother, similarly, Kṛṣṇa's identification is that He is son of Vasudeva or son of Nanda Mahārāja, friend of Śrīdāmā, Sudāmā, lover of Rādhārāṇī. In so many ways He has got hundreds of thousands of names.\nSo people who protest that God cannot have any name... They say that God cannot have any name. Yes, we agree with that. God cannot have any name. Or God has so many names, how we'll address Him? The śāstra says that He has got many names, but the chief name is Kṛṣṇa. In the Atharva Veda it is said. Kṛṣṇa is the son of Devakī, Vasudeva. Those who are very much strict to understand everything on the evidence of Veda, Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī has given them quotation from Vedas, that \"In the Vedas, Kṛṣṇa's name is there, His father's name is there.\" Like that.\nSo God's name... Actually, there is no God's name. There is name, but He has got so many names. His name is given according to His pastime. Just like according to... It has got meaning. You cannot give any name to God without bearing any meaning. That is the Vedic significance. When we say \"Kṛṣṇa\" name of God, that means He's all-attractive. All-attractive means, He's not only attractive to the devotees but to the nondevotees also. It's not that Kṛṣṇa is one-sided, He's attractive to the devotees. No. To the nondevotees also.\nJust like Kaṁsa. Kaṁsa was also attracted by Kṛṣṇa. He was attracted to Kṛṣṇa as enemy. There are two kinds of attraction. We can become attracted to somebody as friend as well as enemy. That is also attraction. If you think of some person that \"This man is my enemy. I want to kill him, or I want to do some harm to him. How I shall do? How shall I capture him? He goes from the office, on the road. So I can capture him in that way.\" So many ways. Just like in America the President Kennedy was killed. So the man who killed him, he made it a plan, thinking of President Kennedy always. That is attraction.\nAll-attractive means, therefore, that Kṛṣṇa is attractive to everyone, either one is Kṛṣṇa's devotee or nondevotee. The best example is Kaṁsa. Kaṁsa heard that the eighth son of his sister, Devakī, would kill him. Since that time, he became attracted to Kṛṣṇa: \"Oh, somebody's coming in the name Kṛṣṇa, as my sister's eighth son. So He will kill me. So let me kill my sister, the source of Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSo he first of all wanted to kill his sister. That is due to attraction of Kṛṣṇa. He was very kind to his sister. After the marriage of his sister he was taking very jubilantly his sister and his brother-in-law in a chariot, and he was personally driving, because Devakī happened to be younger sister of Kaṁsa. Naturally, everyone has got some love for younger brother and sister.\nSo he was affectionate. Although he was a devotee..., a nondevotee demon, still, natural attraction one cannot avoid. Just like a tiger. Tiger is killer of everyone, but still, the tiger and the tigress have got affection for the cubs. That is natural. So he had the natural attraction for his sister, but when he heard that his sister would be the killer of him, he immediately wanted to kill his sister. That story you know. It is stated in the Kṛṣṇa book, beginning.\nSo the idea is... Satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi [SB 1.1.1]. Namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. So Vyāsadeva is offering his obeisances to the son of Devakī, Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa means all-attractive. Then, read. What is next?",
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"content": "\n \"Obeisances unto the Personality of Godhead, Vāsudeva, directly indicates Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is the divine son of Vasudeva and Devakī. This fact will be more explicitly explained in the texts of this work. Śrī Vyāsadeva asserts herein that Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead, and all others are His direct or indirect plenary portions or portions of the portion.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. This will be explained in the Third Chapter [aside:] Third Chapter? Third Chapter of the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, First Canto. When describing different incarnations, so in that list of different incarnations, Kṛṣṇa's name is also there. So Vyāsadeva has purposefully explained in that verse that there are so many incarnations. It has been described there that Kṛṣṇa, or God, has got so many incarnation, just like so many waves of the river.\nIf you have got some experience of the flowing river, you'll find so many waves are coming, one after another, one after another. So He has got so many incarnations that you cannot count even. Just like if you sit down on the bank of a river and go on counting the waves, so whole day and night, whole year, whole life, still, it will not be finished.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa's another name is Ananta. Ananta means \"who has no end.\" Ananta. Anta means end. Everything of us, there is end. But Kṛṣṇa has no end. Similarly, His incarnation has no end. So in spite of so many incarnations, He is full. If we take..., try to understand Kṛṣṇa materially, that...\nJust like if you take from some stock one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, like that, then the stock will be finished at a certain point. Kṛṣṇa is not like that. Pūrṇam. The Veda says Kṛṣṇa is pūrṇam, complete. What kind of pūrṇam? We understand also complete. But if you want to take something from the complete, gradually it will be reduced, and ultimately it becomes zero.\nSo Kṛṣṇa is not like that. The Vedas says that pūrṇasya pūrṇam ādāya pūrṇam eva avaśiṣyate [Īśo Invocation]. He's complete. So many incarnations are coming from Him, just like the waves of the river; still, He's complete. Pūrṇasya pūrṇam. From original Kṛṣṇa so many incarnation are coming. But still, He's there.\nIn the Brahma-saṁhitā it is stated that: goloka eva nivasaty akhilātma-bhūtaḥ [Bs. 5.37]. Kṛṣṇa lives at His home, Goloka Vṛndāvana. Just like Kṛṣṇa is in Goloka Vṛndāvana. So still, He emanates, He expands Himself. Akhilātma-bhūtaḥ. Akhilātma-bhūtaḥ means throughout the whole creation. He has creation; that is also innumerable. We are seeing this creation, this universe. There are innumerable planets. But... Akhilātma-bhūtaḥ [Bs. 5.37], in everywhere Kṛṣṇa is there. Still He is existing in His own abode.\nWe cannot imagine, because we have no such experience. Just like we are sitting in this room. We are not sitting in the other room. Try to understand the distinction between Kṛṣṇa and ourselves. But Kṛṣṇa is here, and He's not only in the other room—other building, other city, other universe, everywhere. That is Kṛṣṇa.\nIt is stated—not that we are imagining, because we take evidence from the Vedic literature. In the Brahma-saṁhitā it is stated like that:\neko 'py asau racayituṁ jagad-aṇḍa-koṭiṁ\nyac chaktir asti jagad-aṇḍa-cayā yad-antaḥ\naṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-sthaṁ\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.35]\nOne portion of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa has direct expansion and expansion of the expansion. Just like Kṛṣṇa, His immediate expansion is Baladeva, Balarāma. Then from Balarāma the next expansion is catur-vyūha, quadruple: Saṅkarṣaṇa, Vāsudeva, Aniruddha, Pradyumna. Again, from this Saṅkarṣaṇa there is another expansion, Nārāyaṇa. From Nārāyaṇa, there is another expansion. Again, second status of Saṅkarṣaṇa, Vāsudeva, Aniruddha... Not only one Nārāyaṇa, but innumerable Nārāyaṇas.\nBecause in the Vaikuṇṭhaloka, spiritual sky, there are innumerable planets. How many? Now, just imagine here in this universe there are planets. This is one universe. There are millions of planets. You cannot count. You cannot count. So similarly, there are innumerable universes also. That also you cannot count. Still, all these universes taken together is only one-fourth manifestation of Kṛṣṇa's expansion. So in the Vaikuṇṭhaloka there is three-fourths expansion.\nSo we cannot count even one planet how many Kṛṣṇa's expansions are there, because He is aṇḍāntara-stha-paramāṇu-cayāntara-stham [Bs. 5.35]. He's within the atom also. The scientists are perplexed to analyze one atom. More and more they're finding components. Kṛṣṇa... Therefore His name is Ananta. Advaitam acyutam ananta..., anādim ananta-rūpam [Bs. 5.33]. He has got multiforms. Multiforms.\nSo Vyāsadeva will explain in the Third Chapter that although He has got all these multiforms, nobody is lesser than Kṛṣṇa. But still that Kṛṣṇa, the name which He appeared in this list[?], He's the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Ete cāṁśa-kalāḥ puṁsaḥ kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28]. All other incarnations who are mentioned in this list, they are aṁśa-kalāḥ. They're directly expansion or expansion of the expansion, expansion of the expansion, you go on; there is no limit. That is Kṛṣṇa. Just like Kṛṣṇa is in this temple. In other temples also, Kṛṣṇa is there. Not that because in this temple Kṛṣṇa is there, He is finished. Just like we are present in this room, not in other room; that means this one room—finished. Kṛṣṇa is not like that. Try to understand Kṛṣṇa.\nTherefore Bhāgavata is trying to inform you about Kṛṣṇa, beginning janmādy asya... [SB 1.1.1], oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya. Vāsudeva Kṛṣṇa, svayaṁ bhagavān. Now, what kind of Vāsudeva? Janmādy asya yataḥ: from whom everything is there. What is that everything? Means birth, sustenance and death. Everything we can understand, any material object we can understand by these three symptoms. Just like your body, my body, or everyone's body: it has got a date of birth, it continues to live for some time, and there is end. That is called janmādy asya [SB 1.1.1]. Janma ādi asya. First of all birth, then sustenance, then death. This is three summary.\nBut actually there are six. Six... In the birth, then living for some time, then growth, then producing something out of the body, then dwindling, then finished. Every body. Everybody takes birth, then remains for some time, grows also or changes different body, and then from the body some other bodies are also come out. In this way one becomes old; that means dwindling. And one day will come he'll be finished. Ṣaḍ-vikāra. These are called six kinds of transformation. Any material thing we can take: six kinds of transformation. But Kṛṣṇa has not such transformation. Therefore He is not of this body. His body is mentioned in the śāstra, sac-cid-ānanda-vigraha [Bs. 5.1].\nSo anyone accepting Kṛṣṇa like ordinary man, then he's a rascal. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam [Bg. 9.11]. Kṛṣṇa says, \"The rascal only, they take Me as a human being.\" Just like a great rascal scholar, he has mentioned, \"Perhaps Kṛṣṇa was the leader of an aborigine, and He has been accepted as God.\" You see? So we cannot study Kṛṣṇa in that way, from the fools and rascals. We have to know Kṛṣṇa from authorities.\nJust like Vyāsadeva is explaining what is Kṛṣṇa. First of all let us understand what is Kṛṣṇa, then we enter into the other information of Kṛṣṇa. Just like if you want to know somebody, you have to acquaint himself with that particular person. Then gradually you can understand that \"This man is of this position, his financial strength is like this, his influence is like this, like that, like that.\" So many things you will understand. First of all sambandha.\nSo anyone who does not know what is God and what is my relationship. Relationship later on. First of all at least we must know what is God. Then we can speak something about God. If I do not know what is God, then how we can explain, how we can understand about Him? So that is the defect. Actually you search out all processes of understanding God.\nGenerally religion means the process of understanding God. That is religion. Religion without God is just like Hamlet without Hamlet. Playwright, Hamlet. Religion cannot be... Without God, the so-called religion, that is cheating. That is, it will be explained in the next verse, dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra [SB 1.1.2]. Any kind of religion which is going on under the name of religion but the system has no information of God, that is cheating religion. Cheating religion. Because religion means the laws of God. But if you do not know what is God, then how you can know His laws? If you do not know the king, how you can understand the king's laws, even though you try to understand?\nJust like scientists, they are trying to understand the laws of God, but because they are imperfect, therefore they cannot understand what is God, in spite of their scientific improvement. They do not know. Ask any scientist, \"You are great scientist. Can you say what is God?\" The reply will be, \"No. We don't believe in God. We don't believe.\" \"Why? You believe in the laws of God?\" \"Yes, that we are studying.\"\nBut the laws means somebody has made that law. That is our experience. Just like when we understand government laws, we understand also the government has enacted this law. We understand that. Just like on the street when you go, it is written there, \"Keep to the left.\" It is the order of the government. You have to abide by that. That is obedience to the government. Discipline. Discipline is the first law of obedience. If people do not care for the government laws, then there will be chaos.\nSo the present situation is the so-called modern civilization, they have no knowledge of God, although they are trying to study the laws of God. But they should accept at least theoretically there must be God. How I can say God is dead? Because if God is the law-giver, by His order everything is moving nicely. The sun is rising exactly at the time, the moon is rising exactly at the time, the seasonal changes are taking place exactly in due course of time. Everything is going on. Foods are grown for our feeding, for animals. Everything is going on nicely. So how I can say the manager, who is managing all these things, He is dead? How we can accept? These are imperfect knowledge, or demonic knowledge, or rascaldom.\nSo our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is against all this rascaldom. All this rascaldom. We present, \"Here is God.\" \"Here is God. Take His name. Take His address also.\" [laughter] That is also... It is so perfect. They are searching after God: we are giving the name, address, activity, everything, quality, all. Nāma, rūpa, līlā, parikara, vaiśiṣṭhyam, everything. Nāma means name. Here is Kṛṣṇa, God's name. Form, here is the form. He is engaged in enjoyment with Rādhārāṇī and playing on His flute. Veṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣaṁ bar... [Bs. 5.30].\nWe are not imagining. Not that this artist imagines, the poet imagines. No. We don't do that rascaldom. We don't do that. We take information from the Vedas. Kṛṣṇa, when He was present personally, He played on His flute. The gopīs saw and the cowherds boys saw five thousand years ago. And the ācāryas took information. Even if you don't believe in the history, then come to śāstra. The śāstra says, veṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣam [Bs. 5.30]: \"Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is always engaged in playing on His flute.\" This is Vedic statement.\nVeṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣam: \"His eyes are just like lotus petals.\" Veṇuṁ kvaṇantam aravinda-dalāyatākṣaṁ barhāvataṁsam asitāmbuda-sundarāṅgam [Bs. 5.30]: \"He has got a peacock feather on His head.\" These are the description in the Vedas. \"He has got a peacock feather on His head.\" Barhāvataṁsam asitāmbuda sunda...: \"His color is blackish.\" What kind of blackish? Asitāmbuda: \"Just like new cloud.\" Asitām-sundarāṅgam: \"But don't think because He is blackish, He is not beautiful. He is most beautiful.\" How much beautiful?\nKandarpa-koṭi-kamanīya-viśeṣa-śobham [Bs. 5.30]: \"He is so beautiful that if you gather millions of Cupids, still He is more beautiful.\" These descriptions are there.\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is very nice. You will be able to understand what is God, and you will be able to understand what is your relationship with God. And you will be able to understand how you can go back to home, back to Godhead.\nThank you very much.",
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"content": "\n ...and when the call is there, they throw it, everything, and go away. Similarly, this material world, the activities of the material world is like that. Somewhere digging and somewhere piling. Somebody is independent and somebody is dependent. Somebody is very luxurious, somebody's starving. So there cannot be any adjustment. Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā the Lord says, duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam [Bg. 8.15].\n[After attaining Me, the great souls, who are yogīs in devotion, never return to this temporary world, which is full of miseries, because they have attained the highest perfection.]\nWe are digging somewhere and piling somewhere; so digging is also labor, and piling is also labor. Then, after finishing, you have to quit everything, digging and piling. So why people do not come to their senses that \"What we are doing? Are we utilizing our time properly or wasting our time?\" What should be answer? If I asked these karmīs, \"Why you are digging? Why you are piling? And why you are leaving?\" Then what will be the answer?\n[pause] Can you say what will be the answer?",
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"content": "\n When digging the pile?",
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"content": "\n You are digging somewhere, and again make constructing somewhere, and then, after a time, you are leaving both and going away, shifting for another activity. Because you'll not be allowed to stay...",
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"content": "\n The same place.",
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"content": "\n ...same place. By nature's law you'll have to quit.",
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"content": "\n Quit.",
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"content": "\n Just like... What to speak of ordinary man. President Kennedy. Oh, how much labor he had to undergo to occupy that post, how much money he spent to become president. But he had to quit his family, his wife, his state, his post. So this is going on. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate [Bg. 8.19].\n[Again and again the day comes, and this host of beings is active; and again the night falls, O Pārtha, and they are helplessly dissolved.]\nFor sometimes we are engaged in this way; then again we are annihilated.\nAgain begin another life, enter into another mother's womb, construct another body, then come out, then again begin work, again the same thing, digging and piling, digging and piling, again going away. Is that very good business? This is the karmīs. Karmīs means worker, fruitive worker. They want some result for their work. Their are called karmīs. So the karmīs are engaged in this way. [doorbell rings]\nIn Bhagavad-gītā these karmīs have been described as rascals, mūḍha. Mūḍha. Because they do not know why they are digging, why they are piling and why they are leaving again everything. You can sit little, in the corner. I, I... Ask these boys, yes. This is the problem. The whole world is engaged very busy. Any city you go, they're very busy. The motor car is going this way, that way, and everywhere is constructing and so many things are going on. But if you put this question, \"Why you are doing this business, digging somewhere and piling somewhere, again leaving the whole thing?\"...\n[Aside:] Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nThey have no answer.",
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"content": "\n They might say it's a rotation. They just have to do it.",
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"content": "\n Huh?",
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"content": "\n Do some work.",
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"content": "\n But do you like to do that? Suppose you are making very nice arrangement in this apartment to live. And again, after, say, one hour you are asked, \"Now quit this place.\" So are you not disgusted?",
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"content": "\n Yes, I am interested.",
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"content": "\n So why this point is not coming? This is ignorance. Just like animals, they do not know why they are laboring so hard. Just an ass. An ass is piled with cloth, you know? In your India. But whose cloth, why he's so much bearing burden? For a little grass only? That he does not know. Therefore he's called ass. Ass is working so hard, but he's not, he does not know if the cloth does not belong to him, but he's piled up with...\n[Aside:] Hare Kṛṣṇa.\n...tons of cloth and he's bearing. He's bearing. Therefore they have been... These karmīs who do not know for whom he's working, they have been described in the Bhagavad-gītā, mūḍha. Mūḍha means ass. Na māṁ prapadyante mūḍhaḥ duṣkṛtino narādhamāḥ, māyayāpahṛta-jñānā āsuraṁ bhāvam aśritāḥ [Bg. 7.15].\n[Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons, do not surrender unto Me.]\nThese things are there; in the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find. Where from you are coming?",
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"content": "\n Bury Place.",
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"content": "\n That's nice. So now people do not wish to consider also this point, that \"If I am eternal, if I am changing my place, my dress, my occupation every fifty years or ten years or twelve years according to the dress...\" The cats and dogs, they live for ten years. The cows live for twenty years, and the man lives for, say, hundred years. Trees lives for thousands years. But everyone has to change. Vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya [Bg. 2.22].\n[As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, similarly, the soul accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.]\nAs we have to change our old dress, similarly, this body has to be changed. And we are changing. Changing every moment. That is a fact.\nThis boy will grow also some day like you, like me. This body will not stay. I had a body like this, say, fifty years ago or sixty years ago, but that body is now missing. I have got a different body. So everyone is changing body in this way. We do not know where that body gone, but ultimately also, we shall change, and we shall enter another body, and again we have to begin new set of work, leaving all aside. Suppose this life I was President Kennedy; next life, even if I am born in America next door to President Kennedy's house, nobody will recognize me that \"Here is your property. Come on. Enjoy.\" No. Property's gone.\nAgain he has to make another property. This is going on. So the people do not think that \"What I am doing? What I have gained? What is my ultimate aim of life?\" This is missing. Therefore Bhagavad-gītā says, mūḍha. Na māṁ prapadyante mūḍha duṣkṛtino narādhamāḥ, māyayāpahṛta-jñānā āsuraṁ bhāvam aśritāḥ [Bg. 7.15].\n[Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons, do not surrender unto Me.]\nPeople are not very serious. They're so much in ignorance that they: \"All right, let it happen, whatever may happen. We may enjoy life.\" But this is not very good position. One should be, at least in human form of life, one should be very sober, considerate [of] what is happening.\nSo out of many fruitive workers like this, one becomes wise: \"Why I am doing this?\" This is wisdom. That is the platform of knowledge, to inquire that \"What is my position? What I am? What is my aim of life?\" That is the position of the jṇānī, persons who are wise. And one, when one is fully wise, then bahūnāṁ janmanām ante [Bg. 7.19], after many, many births, when one becomes fully wise, bahunam janmanam ante jñānavān, when he's actually wise, jñānavān, then māṁ prapadyate, Kṛṣṇa says, \"He comes and surrenders unto Me.\" Why? Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19], he understands that Kṛṣṇa is everything.\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nSa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ. But such person, such great soul, is very rare. Generally people are mūḍhas. So from mūḍhas we have to be elevated to the position of mahātmā. So mahātmā... And who is mahātmā? That is also described in the Bhagavad-gītā. Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ [Bg. 9.13]. \n[O son of Pṛthā, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible.]\nMahātmās, those who are great souls, they are not under the spell of this material energy. They are not attracted by these activities of piling and digging and leaving. They are interested with Kṛṣṇa, Vasudeva.\nThat is mahātmā. Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha [Bg. 9.13]. Kṛṣṇa says, māṁ. Bhajanty ananya-manasaḥ. Their only business is how to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. That is the highest perfection of life. If one is engaged in the business of satisfying Kṛṣṇa instead of satisfying himself... Most people, they are engaged in satisfying themselves. Everyone in this material world. The so-called politicians, they promise that \"I shall give you so many things.\" But actually, he is trying to occupy the post for his satisfaction. These are all false promises. Why politicians? Even in our family life we maintain wife, children. Why? For my satisfaction.\nAs soon as there is discrepancy in my satisfaction I divorce my wife. Or the wife sees that \"This husband is useless.\" She also divorces. So everywhere, the whole material world is going on on the basis of sense satisfaction. So the sense satisfaction platform is called kāma, lust. And one has to elevate oneself from this sense satisfaction platform to the platform of satisfying Kṛṣṇa, service to Kṛṣṇa.\n[Aside:] Does he mind you? [?]\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to teach people how to satisfy the senses of Kṛṣṇa. Yes? Any questions?",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n What does the śloka in Bhagavad-gītā that says, action in inaction and inaction in action...",
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"content": "\n Yes, inaction means we do not enjoy the result of your action. Jaya. Wherefrom?",
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"content": "\n I don't know.",
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"content": "\n Where is the original stock? ISKCON Boston, or maybe tapes. [break] He's Kṛṣṇa. Ekale īśvara kṛṣṇa ara saba bhṛtya [Cc. \nĀdi\n 5.142].\n[Lord Kṛṣṇa alone is the supreme controller, and all others are His servants. They dance as He makes them do so.]\n[Hindi]\n[break] One God, Kṛṣṇa. One scripture, Bhagavad-gītā. One mantra, Hare Kṛṣṇa. And one engagement, Kṛṣṇa's service. That's all. [end]",
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"content": "\n[kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] [devotees offer obeisances] [indistinct background comments by devotees] [Prabhupāda enters, devotees offer obeisances]\n[27:50]\n Hare Kṛṣṇa. Page? Page?",
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"content": "\n One thirty-one. Verse 34.",
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"content": "\nVerse thirty-four: \"Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.\" Purport...",
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"content": "\n This is the process of understanding spiritual knowledge. \"Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master.\" So if you want to learn, this is a commonsense affair. Whatever subject matter you want to learn, you have to find out an expert.\nSuppose if you want to learn engineering, so you cannot go to a butcher; you must find out an engineer. You must admit yourself into the engineering college, learn how to practice engineering. Suppose if you want to become a medical practitioner, so you have to admit yourself in some medical college. Similarly, if you want to know about spiritual matter, then you must approach a spiritual master who knows the things. How you can learn it from anywhere and everywhere? One must be expert in spiritual knowledge. From him you have to learn. Therefore it is said here, \"Just try to learn the truth by here...\"\n\"Truth\" means the Absolute Truth, not relative truth. Or even if you want to know relative truth, you have to approach a particular expert. But here, it is indicated, truth means the Absolute Truth. So Kṛṣṇa indicates that \"Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master.\" Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet.\n\"To understand these things properly, one must humbly approach, with firewood in hand, a spiritual master who is learned in the Vedas and firmly devoted to the Absolute Truth.\" [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.2.12]\nThat is the Vedic injunction.\nIn the Kaṭhopaniṣad the Vedas says that \"If you want to learn transcendental science, so you have to approach a bona fide spiritual master.\" And who is bona fide spiritual master? That is also described, śrotriyaṁ brahma-niṣṭham: \"One who has heard from his spiritual master.\" This is... Spiritual master becomes by disciplic succession, ascending process. Just like we learn \"Man is mortal\" from some higher authority—from my father, from mother or any other authority.\nOr just a child. A child is attracted generally to his mother—in human being, in animals, everywhere. So if a child wants to know his father, then the authority is the mother, and there is no other authority. The child cannot know the name of his father by his own imagination or speculation. If he thinks, \"Oh, he may be my father,\" \"He may be my father,\" \"He may be my father...,\" go on imagining, speculating, but you will never be able to understand who is your father. But the mother indicates, \"My dear child, he is your father\"—immediately business finished. You see?\nSo if you want to speculate how is God, who is the supreme father, you go on speculating for lives together. But if somebody knows, \"Here is your God,\" you accept it—the business finished. Very simple truth. You cannot imagine, you cannot speculate, even on your ordinary father, what to speak of the supreme father. Is it possible? No.\nTherefore just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. One who is fortunate to have a bona fide spiritual master, he is supposed to... Ācāryavān puruṣo veda [Chāndogya Upaniṣad 6.14.2]:\n[One who follows the disciplic succession of ācāryas knows things as they are.]\n\"One who has taken shelter of a real ācārya, spiritual master, from the disciplic succession, he knows.\" Ācāryavān puruṣo veda. Veda means \"He is in the knowledge.\" One who has accepted a bona fide spiritual master, he is in the knowledge. Others are fools. This is the Vedic version everywhere. Here also, Bhagavad-gītā, it is said that \"You try to learn the truth by approaching spiritual master.\"\nAnd how to learn from the spiritual master? \"Inquire from him submissively.\" You don't approach a spiritual master whom you can challenge. Then your selection of spiritual master is wrong. If you keep one spiritual master as show bottle, then your selection is not right; it is wrong. The spiritual master... You must select a spiritual master where you can bow down your head, \"Yes,\" submissive. Therefore you have to see.\nSuppose you are going here. You are coming here to learn something. When you are convinced that \"Swāmījī knows the thing,\" when you are convinced, then you accept. Then you ask for initiation. Otherwise don't do it hesitatingly or knowing half. Therefore in the system it is enjoined that the spiritual master also observe the disciple at least for one year, and the disciple also study the spiritual master at least for one year.\nSo when both of them are convinced that \"He can be my spiritual master\" or \"He can be my disciple,\" then the relationship is established. We initiate our students. The preliminary initiation is offering chanting. Then we observe, at least for one year, how he is chanting, how he is doing. Then the second initiation confirms. That is the system.\nSo inquire from him submissively. Where you cannot submit, if you think that \"Oh, what is this spiritual master? I can challenge him,\" then there is no question of accepting as your spiritual master. You have to submit yourself, fully surrender yourself. You have to bow your head: \"Yes. Here is my spiritual...\" Just like Kṛṣṇa, er, Arjuna said, śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam [Bg. 2.7].\n[Now I am confused about my duty and have lost all composure because of weakness. In this condition I am asking You to tell me clearly what is best for me. Now I am Your disciple, and a soul surrendered unto You. Please instruct me.]\nArjuna in the beginning was speaking with Kṛṣṇa on friendly level, but at last he submitted that \"I am Your disciple. Please teach me.\" This is the process: submissively. \"Inquire from him submissively.\"\nAnd what is that submission? \"Render service unto him.\" Try to please him by satisfying him by service. Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ **, you singing. If he is pleased, then you know Kṛṣṇa is pleased. And if he is displeased, then there is no other way. This is the process, submissive. \"The self-realized soul can impart knowledge.\" And because you have to select spiritual master, a self-realized soul. Just like if you want to study particular subject matter, you have to approach a realized person, a perfect person. Then you get. \"The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.\" One who has not seen the truth, he cannot.\nNow, one may question, \"Whether you have seen Kṛṣṇa?\" So how Kṛṣṇa can be seen? Yes. A spiritual master must have seen Kṛṣṇa. Without seeing, he cannot be spiritual master. But how Kṛṣṇa can be seen? Kṛṣṇa can be seen by love. Premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena [Bs. 5.38]. \n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is Śyāmasundara, Kṛṣṇa Himself with inconceivable innumerable attributes, whom the pure devotees see in their heart of hearts with the eye of devotion tinged with the salve of love.]\nPremāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti. Just like if you are in love with somebody, you can see him constantly—he is always on your eyes, anyone you love—so similarly, Kṛṣṇa also can be seen by development of love. Otherwise, how we can see Kṛṣṇa? He is so great, unlimited. Your eyes, your senses, are all limited. You cannot see the unlimited by your limited sense perception. But you can see... Not you can see, but svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.136].\n[“’Therefore material senses cannot appreciate Kṛṣṇa’s holy name, form, qualities and pastimes. When a conditioned soul is awakened to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and renders service by using his tongue to chant the Lord’s holy name and taste the remnants of the Lord’s food, the tongue is purified, and one gradually comes to understand who Kṛṣṇa really is.’]\nWhen you are developed in the sense of love of Godhead, then He reveals unto you. Therefore you can see.\nJust like the sun. You cannot see the sun by challenge at night. If somebody says, \"Come on. I shall show you. See. Take some aeroplane,\" what he will see? He can travel all the sky; still, he cannot see the sun. Similarly... This is an example. At night you cannot see the sun, but when the sun rises, you can see the sun, you can see yourself also. By seeing sun, you can see yourself, you can see the world. Similarly, when you see Kṛṣṇa, then you see everything. Without seeing Kṛṣṇa, your eyes are blind, your senses are imperfect. Therefore it is said that \"Self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.\"\nGo on. Purport.",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"The path of spiritual realization is undoubtedly difficult. The Lord therefore advises us to approach a bona fide spiritual master in the line of disciplic succession from the Lord Himself. Nobody can be a bona fide spiritual master without following this principle of disciplic succession. The Lord is the original spiritual master, and the person in the disciplic succession can convey the message of the Lord as it is to his disciple. No one can be spiritually realized by manufacturing his own process, as is the fashion of the foolish pretenders. The Bhāgavatam says, dharmaṁ hi sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19].\"\n[Real religious principles are enacted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Although fully situated in the mode of goodness, even the great ṛṣis who occupy the topmost planets cannot ascertain the real religious principles, nor can the demigods or the leaders of Siddhaloka, to say nothing of the asuras, ordinary human beings, Vidyādharas and Cāraṇas.]",
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"content": "\n Yes. Dharma means religion. Actual translation of the word dharma is \"religion.\" But actually, \"religion\" is not the right translation of the word dharma. Dharma means your eternal occupation. That is called dharma: which you cannot avoid. Just like somebody is Christian; next day he becomes a Hindu. Or somebody is Hindu; next day he becomes Christian. This is not dharma. This change of faith cannot be applied in dharma. Dharma cannot be changed.\nJust like this candle. Candle has power, illuminating power. If you change this illuminating power of the candle, if you make it dark, then it is no more candle. And there are many examples. Just like sugar. Sugar is sweet. If you change the taste of the sugar into salty, then it is no more sugar. So dharma is like that. It cannot be changed. So dharmaṁ hi sākṣāt [SB 6.3.19]. What is that dharma? It cannot be changed.\nService. Either you become human being or animal or anything—bird, beast or American, Indian or this, that, whatever—if you are living being, then your dharma is service. You may become tomorrow Hindu or Muslim or Christian, but you cannot change your spirit of service. That is your dharma. So dharmaṁ hi sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam. This duty, this eternal occupational duty, is there in every living entity: the service spirit. But the service spirit is now misplaced on account of our conditioned stage. So when it is properly placed, service, that is our dharma.\nThat dharma is directly from the Supreme Lord, bhagavat-praṇītam. It cannot be manufactured by any man or any demigod or any somebody else. No. It is eternal. And that is taught in Bhagavad-gītā, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]:\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\n\"My dear Arjuna, the most confidential knowledge I am giving you, that you give up all your occupational duties. Simply surrender unto Me.\" This surrender process is dharma, is your business, and nothing more. That's all. If you learn how to surrender to God, or Kṛṣṇa, then you, actually, you are religious or you are in dharma. And if you practice so many things without surrendering to Kṛṣṇa, or God, then it is all useless labor. That's all. Dharmaṁ hi sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19].\nYes. Go on.",
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"content": "\n \"The path of religion is directly enunciated by the Lord. Therefore mental speculation or dry arguments cannot help one progress in spiritual life. One has to approach a bona fide spiritual master to receive the knowledge. Such a teacher should be accepted in full surrender, and one should serve the spiritual master like a menial servant, without false prestige.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. The brahmacārī means... These are indication. When a person... When a boy becomes brahmacārī, even if he is the son of a very rich man, he should live with the spiritual master as a menial servant. These are the injunction. That Kṛṣṇa... Kṛṣṇa, He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Apart from His Godheadship, He was very rich man's son. Really He was a very great king's son, Vasudeva, but He was given under the protection of King Nanda, Nanda Mahārāja, His foster father. He was also very rich man, very... He was king...\n[break] ...training of brahmacārī. So how he can see? When... Even if he is grown up, he cannot see any other woman in other way. He thinks, \"Every woman is mother.\" This is the training. Of course, that training is not possible at the present moment. The days have changed. But this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is so nice that even brahmacārī begins immediately, he is trained up. He is trained up very nicely.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Satisfaction of the self-realized spiritual master is the secret of advancement in spiritual life. Inquiries in submission constitute the proper combination for spiritual understanding. Unless there is submission in service, inquiries from the learned spiritual master will not be effective. One must be able to pass the test of the spiritual master. And when the spiritual master sees the genuine desire of the disciple, he automatically blesses the disciple with genuine spiritual understanding. In this verse both blind following and absurd inquiries are condemned.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Blind following and absurd inquiries. These things are condemned in this verse. Blind following means, \"Oh, there is a svāmī. So many thousands of people are following. Let me become his disciple.\" This is called blind following. You do not know what is that svāmī, whether he is a svāmī or he is rascal. You do not know. But because everyone is going, \"Oh, let me become his disciple.\" This is blind following. Without any knowledge, blind following. The svāmī says that \"You give me money. I make you immediately God.\" So this is blind following. And another thing... What it says? What? What is that? Blind following?",
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"content": "\n Absurd inquiries.",
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"content": "\n And absurd inquiries. Absurd inquiries... Just like somebody goes to so-called spiritual master. There are so many stories, that such-and-such person approached his spiritual master, and he asked his spiritual master, \"Can you show me God?\" And the spiritual master immediately showed him God. You see? This rascaldom is going on.\nSuppose if you go to a professor, and if you say, \"Oh, if you are a professor, can you make me immediately M.A.?\" and if he says, \"Yes, why not?\" then are you not a fool? He is also fool. The so-called spiritual master is also rascal, and the man who has gone to him, he is also rascal. God is so cheap thing that immediately you go to a rascal and he shows you God immediately? Is it magic?\nBut these things are going on. \"Oh, such-and-such Swāmījī had a spiritual master who immediately showed him God.\" Huh? Dhruva Mahārāja went to the forest, and he had practiced so much penance and austerities. Then he saw God. And I can see God immediately without being trained, without undergoing training? No. It is not possible. These are absurd thing.\nSuppose if you are not qualified, how you can see things? Suppose if you have never seen what is ten dollar note, then if you ask somebody, \"Can you give me ten dollar note?\" and if he gives you one piece of paper, \"Yes, it is ten dollar note,\" then are you not cheated? You must know what is ten dollar note. Otherwise you'll be satisfied with a paper, piece of paper. That's all. If you do not know God, then how you can see God? You have to check it.\nYou go to a market place. You buy something. Suppose you buy, purchase, one knife. You know what is knife. It must be a sharpened instrument. You see how it is cutting. You test it. So suppose if you go on to somebody to see God, how you'll test it if you do not know what is God? Then he will give you, supply you, deliver you one dog, and you'll understand, \"This is God.\" So what is your testing power? At least, you must have some theoretical knowledge what is God. So these things are going on, absurd things. You must know what is God.\nJust like here the Bhagavad-gītā is the description what is God, how He is creating. God... You know that God has created this world. Now, here there is description how He creates. So such inquiries, such spiritual master, is overcrowded; but you have, if you are sincere, then you have to find out some spiritual master, bona fide spiritual master, who knows about the science of God. You must know also theoretically what is meant by \"God,\" then you try to see God. Otherwise you'll be cheated.\nSomebody says, \"Oh, everyone is God.\" Oh, he becomes puffed-up: \"I am also God.\" But what you know about God? You are thinking, \"My spiritual master has said that I am God.\" But you should not inquire that \"How I become God\"? We learn from scripture, God has created this material universe. Oh, what I have created? And still I am puffed-up—\"I am God\"? So this cheating business is going on. So these are absurd. Absurd inquiries are condemned herewith. One must approach to the real spiritual master in submission. Inquire from him by rendering service. Then, gradually, you learn the science.\nHere we are teaching our students—not abruptly say that \"You have learned.\" We are teaching them Bhagavad-gītā, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu, so many books. And we are discussing about God practically whole day and night. We are publishing paper. So in this way one has to learn.\nIt is not a cheap thing that immediately you learn God. But if you are submissive—if you are really inquisitive—then God reveals unto you. Svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ. \nSevonmukhe hi jihvādau svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ. [Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.234]\n[No one can understand the transcendental nature of the name, form, quality and pastimes of Śrī Kṛṣṇa through his materially contaminated senses. Only when one becomes spiritually saturated by transcendental service to the Lord are the transcendental name, form, quality and pastimes of the Lord revealed to him.]\nWhen you are actually in service spirit, then He reveals. That is God-realization.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"One should not only hear submissively from the spiritual master, but one must also get a clear understanding from him...\"",
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"content": "\n \"...with submission, and service, and inquiries.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Clear understanding. Don't accept anything. First of all there must be submissiveness, no challenge. But at the same time, you must clearly understand. Because you have submitted, it is not that you have to understand something dogmatic. No.\nSubmission must be there, but at the same time, you should have clear understanding. This is science. Not that if something is pushed and you are: \"Oh, my spiritual master has said; therefore I accept it.\" That is fact, that you should, but at the same time, by inquiries, by inquisitiveness, you must clear everything: \"Yes, God is like this.\"\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"A bona fide spiritual master is by nature very kind towards the disciple, and therefore when the student is submissive and is always ready to render service, the reciprocation of knowledge and inquiries becomes perfect.\"",
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"content": "\n Perfect. This is the perfect way. Hmm. Go on.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-five: \"And when you have thus learned the truth you will know that all living beings are My parts and parcels, and that they are in Me and are Mine.\"",
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"content": "\n This is knowledge. When one understands that God is such and such by the mercy of spiritual master, by studying, by serving, then what is that understanding? \"When you have thus learned the truth you will know that all living beings are My part and parcel.\" This is real knowledge. Part and parcel is not the whole.\nThis finger is part and parcel of my body, but it is not the whole body, although you can call it body. Suppose somebody touches my finger. I can say, \"Oh, why you have touched my body?\" This can be called body, but it is..., actually it is not body; it is finger.\nSimilarly, part and parcel of God can be called god, but he is not Supreme God. Therefore there are two words in Vedic language: ātmā, Paramātmā. Ātmā. Ātmā means living entities. We are all ātmās. And God is Paramātmā. And in the Kaṭhopaniṣad it is said,\nnityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām\n[Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13].\n[The Supreme Lord is eternal and the living beings are eternal. The Supreme Lord is cognizant and the living beings are cognizant. The difference is that the Supreme Lord is supplying all the necessities of life for the many other living entities.]\nGod is also a living entity like us, but He is the Supreme. Kṛṣṇa appears just like human being, but He is Supreme.\nParaṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma\npavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān\n[Bg. 10.12]\n[Arjuna said: You are the Supreme Brahman, the ultimate, the supreme abode and purifier, the Absolute Truth and the eternal divine person. You are the primal God, transcendental and original, and You are the unborn and all-pervading beauty. All the great sages such as Nārada, Asita, Devala, and Vyāsa proclaim this of You, and now You Yourself are declaring it to me.]\nYou will find in the Tenth Chapter. Although He appears... Just like your President Nixon. He's also American gentleman. If she [he] appears here, he will appear just like one of you. But he is not one of you. He is distinct. Similarly, if the president is distinct, if the minister is distinct, then how much God is distinct from you. Try to understand.\nYou are claiming that \"I am God.\" This is all nonsense. We are part and parcel. Part and parcel. Just like a small part of the Pacific Ocean, a small drop, you taste it, it is salty. So you can understand the whole Pacific Ocean is salty. Immediately you understand what is Pacific Ocean.\nSimilarly, if you study yourself, \"What I am?\"—that is called meditation—then you can understand God, that \"God is like me also. But He is profuse, unlimited; I am limited. But the same qualities are there.\" Same qualities. Otherwise, how can you get it? The part and parcel of gold is gold, but that is not whole gold. The quality is gold. You cannot say it is iron. Even a small particle of gold, no chemist will say, \"No, it is iron.\" It is gold, but not that whole gold. This is understanding.\nSo one who approaches a bona fide spiritual master, then he can understand what is God and what is he. He does not makes a conglomeration... What is called? A mixing up.",
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"content": "\n Conglomeration.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. So here is the knowledge. Then? Go on.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-six: \"Even if you are considered to be the most sinful of all sinners, when you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge you will be able to cross over the ocean of miseries.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. This material world, conditioned life, because... The other day we explained: our sinful life means ignorance, due to ignorance. Just like if I touch this flame, it will burn. Somebody may say, \"Oh, you are burned. You are sinful.\" This is common sense. \"You are burned. You are sinful, therefore you are burned.\" That is, one sense, it is right. \"I am sinful\" means I do not know that if I touch this flame, I will be burned. This ignorance is my sin.\nSinful life means the life of ignorance. Therefore, in this thirty-fourth verse, \"Just try to learn the truth. Don't remain ignorant. Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master.\" Why should you remain in ignorance if there is way and means? That is my foolishness. Therefore I am suffering.\nThe government has open education institution, universities. Why don't you take advantage of it? Then you must suffer. When you go, when you are grown up—\"Oh, I am not educated. I cannot give... I cannot have any good job,\" so who wanted you to remain uneducated? Why did you not take advantage? That is your fault.\nSinful life means our fault, to remain in ignorance. You take knowledge. There is book of knowledge. There is spiritual master. They are canvassing. We are canvassing, \"Come here. Try to understand God consciousness.\" Nobody is coming. Who is responsible?\nThey are responsible. God is not responsible. For your sinful activities God is not responsible. You are responsible. God is canvassing you, \"Please come to Me. I will give you all protection.\" Oh, I am stubborn: \"No. I shall not go to You.\" Then you suffer. What can be done?\nTherefore knowledge, when one understands by the grace of spiritual master—\"Oh, I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Why not go to Kṛṣṇa?\" Therefore, \"Even if you are considered to be the most sinful all sinners, when you are situated in the boat of transcendental knowledge...\" This is transcendental knowledge, that \"I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. So why I am rotting here? Let me see where is Kṛṣṇa.\" \"...you will be able to cross over the ocean of miseries.\"\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-seven: \"As the blazing fire turns wood to ashes, O Arjuna, so does the fire of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. I may be very seriously sinful, but when I get the knowledge of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, all my sins will be burned into ashes. Just like if you have... You have got a small fire. You bring tons of wood. Go on putting it. Go on putting it. Gradually everything will become ashes. This example. Tons of wood, you go on putting in that small fire. May not be immediately, but you go on putting, day after day, hours after, after; all the wood will be burned into ashes. Very nice example.\nSimilarly, if you keep yourself Kṛṣṇa consciousness burning, your tons and millions of sinful activities will be burned into ashes. These are practical. So we have to keep the fire blazing, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then everything is all right.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Verse thirty-eight: \"In this world there is nothing so sublime and pure as transcendental knowledge. Such knowledge is the mature fruit of all mysticism, and one who has achieved this enjoys the self within himself in due course of time.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Knowledge: \"I am part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, or God. My duty as part and parcel is to serve Kṛṣṇa.\" Just like this finger is the part and parcel of my body. The duty of the part and parcel is to serve.\nJust like you are part and parcel of American state. As soon you are called by the state, oh, you have to go to fight. You have to do it. That's your duty, to serve the state. Similarly, if I am part and parcel of God, what is my duty? To serve God. This is religion. This is religion, not that you become God. You become God...\nJust like I told you, this finger is body so long the finger is giving service to the body. If the finger is cut off, you don't care for this bod... But so long this finger is attached with body, if there is any trouble, you spend millions of dollars to cure it. But when it is cut off, it has no value. Similarly, so long you are attached with Kṛṣṇa in Kṛṣṇa consciousness—you are giving service—then your life is sublime. And as soon as you are apart from Him, then it is useless. This is knowledge. This is sublime knowledge. Hmm.",
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"content": "\n Thirty-nine: \"A faithful man who is absorbed in transcendental knowledge and who subdues his senses quickly attains the supreme spiritual peace.\"",
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"content": "\n Gargamuni. His name is Gargamuni. Gargamuni, and there is another, Sāndīpani Muni. They are sages, Sāndīpani Muni. Kṛṣṇa is spiritual master of His spiritual master, but just to teach us, He also accepts a spiritual master. Nobody can be spiritual master of Kṛṣṇa. That is not possible.\nJust like nobody can be Kṛṣṇa's father. He is father of everyone. God is father of everyone. But He, out of His love, He accepts some of His devotee as father, as mother, as spiritual master, as teacher, as friend, as elder brother. That is His līlā. Yes.\nTherefore in the Bhagavad-gītā you will see... In the Fourth Chapter you have already read, janma karma me divyaṁ yo jānāti tattvataḥ [Bg. 4.9].\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\nThe dealings of Kṛṣṇa—how Kṛṣṇa, being the supreme father, how He accepts His father and appears as a child of the father—this is transcendental knowledge. So if a..., somebody simply understands this—how Kṛṣṇa being the supreme father, He accepts another father—then he becomes liberated; immediately he is transferred to the spiritual kingdom. You see. This is knowledge.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n That is a [indistinct]. Do you mean to say from Kṛṣṇa only one dozen or two dozen disciples have come? There are many millions and trillions. It has given one list only. That's all. Just like Kṛṣṇa says in this Fourth Chapter, imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam [Bg. 4.1].\n[The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.]\nSo He first of all taught to the sun-god. So sun-god had many sons, many disciples. Kṛṣṇa taught to Nārada. Oh, Nārada has got innumerable disciples. They have got different branches. So that whole thing is not complete there. It is simply given idea, that \"There is one disciplic succession like this.\"\nSo any other question? Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [devotees offer obeisances]\n[kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] All glories to the assembled devotees. All glories to the assembled devotees. Thank you very much. [end]",
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"content": "\n\nmanye dhanābhijana-rūpa-tapaḥ-śrutaujas-\ntejaḥ-prabhāva-bala-pauruṣa-buddhi-yogāḥ\nnārādhanāya hi bhavanti parasya puṁso\nbhaktyā tutoṣa bhagavān gaja yūtha pāya\n[SB 7.9.9]\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja continued: One may possess wealth, an aristocratic family, beauty, austerity, education, sensory expertise, luster, influence, physical strength, diligence, intelligence and mystic yogic power, but I think that even by all these qualifications one cannot satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead. However, one can satisfy the Lord simply by devotional service. Gajendra did this, and thus the Lord was satisfied with him.]\nPrahlāda Mahārāja is submitting his humbleness, because he has practically experienced that all great personalities present in that meeting, headed by Brahmā, the original person, original created person, as well as all other demigods, they are all highly qualified, but they could not satisfy the Lord.\nTherefore he says, \"I think that any kind of material qualification, such as tejaḥ, prabhāva, influence, strength, bodily beauty; tejaḥ, prabhāva, pauruṣa, capacity; buddhi, intelligence; yoga, mystic power; and all similar qualifications\"—they are divided into six opulences: strength, influence, fame and beauty, knowledge, renunciation—\"these six kinds of opulences are fully present in the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So how you can conquer over the Supreme Personality of Godhead by all these material qualifications?\"\nSuppose if you are going to see some gentleman who is very rich, just like Rockefeller, and suppose you are drawing, say, one thousand dollars per month, or say five thousand dollars. So how we can become proud of your opulence before a very rich man? So Kṛṣṇa, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, means that nobody can excel Him in richness, in fame, in strength, in beauty, in wisdom and renunciation. However you may exhibit or manifest your opulences, still it is very insignificant.\nWe can practically experience. Just like this very nice city, perhaps the greatest city in the world, New York, with so many skyscraper buildings, industrial enterprises, everything very opulent. But as soon as you go seven miles or eight miles high by airplane, you will see just like they are matchboxes. You have practical experience. And if you still go high you will find this whole planet just like a point. As you are daily experiencing that so many planets in the sky hanging just like small spots, but they are as big or greater than this planet.\nSo nobody can excel the opulence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is not possible. If you want to purchase the favor of the Supreme Personality of Godhead by your material acquisition, it is impossible. It is impossible. That is the instruction of Prahlāda Mahārāja. He is deriding, that manye dhanābhijana rūpa. Abhijana. Abhijana means born in great nation or in great family. Nobody can be proud that \"Because I am born of a very rich family and because I am born of a very great, rich nation like America, therefore I can purchase the favor of God.\" No. That is not possible. Prahlāda Mahārāja says it is not possible.\nNārādhanāya bhavanti parasya puṁsaḥ. Parasya puṁsaḥ means the transcendental personality. He excels all personalities. We are all person. The Lord, Kṛṣṇa, or God, He is also a person, as you are person, I am person. He is not imperson. Otherwise, how He can be richest, the most famous, the most beautiful? These qualifications are for person. But He is so great, God is so great, His personality is so great that He transcends all personalities. Parasya puṁso. Parasya means transcendental, and puṁso, the person.\nGod is never imperson. The impersonal understanding of the Absolute Truth is the beginning of transcendental knowledge. But if you make further progress, you will find Him the Supreme Person. The Supreme Person... Just like we offer our humble prayers, govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ. He is the original person.\nIn the Bible you will see, \"Man is made after God.\" This feature, this form, is just in imitation of Kṛṣṇa's form. Because Kṛṣṇa has got two hands, because Kṛṣṇa has got two legs, one head, so we are imitation. We are sample God. So just imagine how the original person, the original Personality of Godhead, is opulent, rich, beautiful, famous—so many. All good qualifications, all opulences, are present there.\nSo with our material acquisitions it is not possible to please the Supreme Personality of Godhead. How, then, He can be pleased? Now, bhaktyā tutoṣa bhagavān gaja yūtha pāya. You can simply please the Supreme Personality of Godhead by your transcendental loving service. That's all. If you try, if you learn the art of loving, then you can... He will be just like a playmate with you. Kṛṣṇa is so nice.\nadvaitam acyutam anādim ananta-rūpam\nādyaṁ purāṇa-puruṣam nava-yauvanaṁ ca\nvedeṣu durlabham adurlabham ātma-bhaktau\n[govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi]\n[Bs. 5.33]\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is inaccessible to the \nVedas,\n but obtainable by pure unalloyed devotion of the soul, who is without a second, who is not subject to decay, is without a beginning, whose form is endless, who is the beginning, and the eternal \npuruṣa;\n yet He is a person possessing the beauty of blooming youth.]\nHere is also. In the Brahma-saṁhitā it is said that adurlabham ātma-bhaktau. Adurlabha means very easily obtained. Durlabha means very difficult to obtain, and adurlabha, just the opposite: very easily obtained. How? Now, ātma-bhaktau: \"Those who are devotees of the Lord, for them He is very easily available.\"\nSo affection is so nice thing. So try to develop your affection. That affection is already there. Don't think that Kṛṣṇa affection is being artificially propagated. Perhaps in this meeting I am the only Indian, but all my students here, they are all American. They belong to different faith. How they are developing Kṛṣṇa consciousness? I am not bribing them; I have no money. But still, why they are so much affectionate? This is the proof that everyone has got dormant Kṛṣṇa consciousness within himself.\nIt is not an artificial thing. Simply you have to develop it. It is not taught actually. Just like a young boy or young girl—there is no educational department how to love a young girl or young boy. It is already there. It is not taught. Similarly, the Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not the subject matter of being taught. Please try to note this. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not a thing as you are taught technology or mathematics or like that. It is already there. Simply we have to revive it. Simply we have to revive it.\nNitya-siddha kṛṣṇa-bhakti [Cc. Madhya 22.107]. \n[”Pure love for Kṛṣṇa is eternally established in the hearts of the living entities. It is not something to be gained from another source. When the heart is purified by hearing and chanting, this love naturally awakens.]\nIn the Caitanya-caritāmṛta it is said that \"Kṛṣṇa consciousness is eternally existing in every human being, every living entity.\" Not only human being. You have seen the one picture that a calf, how he is loving Kṛṣṇa by licking His body. You have seen it. So even in the calf, even in the animal, even in the birds, even in the beast. We have all described these things in our Teachings of Lord Caitanya, that when Kṛṣṇa was present in Vṛndāvana, how the cranes, how the cuckoos, how the peacocks, how the wasps, how the flowers, how the creepers were loving Him. How they were loving Kṛṣṇa.\nSo it is not a thing that we have to teach. Simply by good association, by reference, it comes out. It is called suptotthita-nyāya. Just like a man sleeping at night, he forgets everything, where he is lying on and what he is doing and which family does he belong to, which country does he belong to, what is his occupation. Everything he forgets. Sleeping means forgetfulness. But as soon as he is awakened, he remembers everything. Everything. \"Oh, I have to go to office. I have to do this thing. I have to meet such-and such-person.\" Everything.\nSimilarly, Kṛṣṇa consciousness is sleeping in everyone's heart. He is hankering. He is hankering after how to love Kṛṣṇa, but he is being checked up. The māyā is checking him: \"Don't try to love Kṛṣṇa. If you love Kṛṣṇa, then you will forget all these material activities.\" Māyā is speaking.\nsmerāṁ bhaṅgi traya paricitaṁ sāci-vistīrṇa dṛṣṭiṁ\nvaṁśī nyastādhara kiśalayam ujjvalāṁ candrakeṇa\ngovindākhyāṁ hari-tanum itaḥ keśi-tīrthopakaṇṭhe\nmā prekṣiṣṭhās tava yadi sakhe bandhu-saṅge 'sti raṇgaḥ\n[Cc. Ādi 5.224, quoted from Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.239]\n[“My dear friend, if you are indeed attached to your worldly friends, do not look at the smiling face of Lord Govinda as He stands on the bank of the Yamunā at Keśīghāṭa. Casting sidelong glances, He places His flute to His lips, which seem like newly blossomed twigs. His transcendental body, bending in three places, appears very bright in the moonlight.”]\nThis is a very nice verse composed by Rūpa Gosvāmī, that one friend of one gopī, she is warning, \"My dear friend, please do not go that side.\" \"Where?\" \"In the keśi-tīrthopakaṇṭhe, on the bank of Keśī-ghāṭa, Yamunā.\" \"Why you are warning me?\" \"Because there is that boy whose name is Govinda.\" \"What He is doing?\" \"He is simply smiling, and with His flute, and He is so bright by the rays of the moon that He looks very, very beautiful.\" \"Then? What happens?\" \"Now, if you go and see Him, then you will forget your engagement with family and friendship and love and everything, all. He will absorb everything. So don't go there.\" She is warning, yes, \"Don't go.\"\nIn other words, Kṛṣṇa is so attractive by His activities, transcendental activities, by His beauty, by His opulence, by His strength, everything... If you read the history of Kṛṣṇa's activities in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam or in the Bhagavad-gītā, they are so attractive that one automatically becomes attracted, and he forgets all other attraction. This is natural. This is not an artificial. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so nice that once situated in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you will forget all nonsense of this material life.\nSo this movement is simply to revive that dormant consciousness. Nothing artificial. And by the grace of Lord Caitanya, it has been made very simple: simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and dance. That's all. You haven't got to be very highly educated in the university. You haven't got to exercise in so many yogic process, sitting posture, or hard press your nose, or you keep your head down. Nothing. No labor. Simply come here, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and take Kṛṣṇa prasādam. This very simple method will revive your Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nYou know, all, that two years ago, in 1966, I started this class alone. I was chanting only. That's all. That was my..., whatever you call. And these boys and girls, gradually they came, and they became attracted. I did not teach them any artificial method of yoga practice, but simply I requested them, \"You chant and hear.\" So very easy process. You can revive your dormant Kṛṣṇa consciousness simply, śravaṇādi śuddha-citte karaya udaya [Cc. Madhya 22.107].\n[”Pure love for Kṛṣṇa is eternally established in the hearts of the living entities. It is not something to be gained from another source. When the heart is purified by hearing and chanting, this love naturally awakens.]\nThe process is that as you go on chanting, then all the dirty things within your heart will be cleansed. Simply we want to cleanse.\nCaitanya Mahāprabhu has recommended this chanting, and He has said that the result of chanting will be, the first installment of your gain will be, that your heart will be cleansed. The first thing, which is being tried by the so many mental speculators, how to cleanse the heart, that will be achieved in the first installment by simply chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahādāvāgni-nirvāpanaṁ [Cc. Antya 20.12]. And as the cleansing process of your heart makes progress, then you become freed from the blazing fire of material existence.\nceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahādāvāgni-nirvāpanaṁ\nśreyaḥ-kairava-candrikā-vitaraṇaṁ. \n[“‘Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord Kṛṣṇa, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.’]\nAnd then again, just like in the moonlight, daily, the moon increases the light. When the moon is rising daily in the bright fortnight, daily you see that the moon is increasing in shape. So this, that very example, is said here also. As soon as your heart is cleansed and you immediately you become freed from all material contamination, then your real pleasure on the platform of Kṛṣṇa consciousness increases in the proportion. As the moon increases in the sky daily, and as one day it becomes the full moon, so this process is so nice that increasing daily by chanting, one day it will come that you will simply love Kṛṣṇa and forget everything.\nceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahādāvāgni-nirvāpanaṁ\nśreyaḥ-kairava-candrikā-vitaraṇaṁ vidyā-vadhū-jīvanam\n[Cc. Antya 20.12]\nAnd so far knowledge is concerned, you will get it automatically. You will get all knowledge. Our material conditional life is simply due to ignorance, and when you come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the full moonlight of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, all knowledge will be at your feet. Everything you will know. Vidyā-vadhū-jīvanam. And ānandāmbudhi-vaṛdhanaṁ: then you increase the ocean of transcendental bliss. The ocean... The ocean never increases, but the transcendental ocean of bliss increasing daily, daily, and you enjoy it.\nĀnandāmbudhi-vaṛdhanaṁ sarvātma-snapanaṁ. Sarvātma-snapanaṁ. Just like when you take your shower bath or a dip into the ocean, you feel fully comfortable, similarly, by taking your dip into the ocean of bliss of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you will feel fully refreshed, fully refreshed, without any doubt. Paraṁ vijayate śri-kṛṣṇa-saṅkīrtanam. Therefore Lord Caitanya gives, \"All glories to the saṅkīrtana movement, Hare Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSo this is the process. God not dead. God cannot be dead. This is all foolishness. God is there. How you can conceive, how you can perceive that God is not dead? There is sufficient symptom that God is not dead. Just like your body. If you are breathing, if your bodily functions are working nice, if there is blood, and if you are feeling, thinking, willing nicely, will the doctor say that you are dead? [laughter] No. He will say, \"No. All the symptoms of life are present there, so he is not dead. He is alive.\"\nSimilarly, if you have got that talent to test how God is alive, that is very simple. The whole cosmic manifestation, the whole gigantic body of God is working so nicely. The sun is rising in time, the moon is rising in time, the seasonal changes are taking place in time, the planets are moving. Everything is in order. How you can say that God is dead? What is your reason? No. God is not dead. God is alive, and you can meet also God, because He is a person and you are a person.\nJust like here, if you try, you can meet the greatest personality of this material world, say, the president. That is not difficult. You have to simply arrange your meeting. Similarly, you can meet God face to face, just we are meeting here face to face. Simply you have to make arrangement. That's all.\nAnd this is the arrangement—Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If you make this arrangement complete, then you will see God face to face. Not only that, that you will see God face to face after this life—no. Even in this life also you will see God face to face. Premāñjana-cchurita [Bs. 5.38].\nAnd what is that qualification? The qualification is love. Simply you are loving so many things. That is not giving you satisfaction. You try to develop your love which is already dormant in you, and when you are efficient in loving God, you will see God face to face.\nPremāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti [Bs. 5.38].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is Śyāmasundara, Kṛṣṇa Himself with inconceivable innumerable attributes, whom the pure devotees see in their heart of hearts with the eye of devotion tinged with the salve of love.]\nThe Brahma-saṁhitā says that those who have developed love of God and smeared the eyes with the ointment of love, but by that ointment the sight of your eye, the material eyesight, will be clear. Just like you sometimes apply medicine on your eyes to see clear, similarly, there is a process to make your eyesight clear to see God. That's all. Not that stop seeing, but clear the eyesight. Purify your senses. That is called bhakti. Bhakti means the process of purifying the senses. That's all. And as soon as your senses are purified, transcendental eyes, you see God face to face.\nPremāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva. Sadaiva means constantly, without any cessation, you can see God always, everywhere. Everywhere. Sthāvara jaṅgame dekhe, nā dekhe tāra mūrti. You will see tree, but you will not see the tree; you will see there Kṛṣṇa. You will see a bus, but you will see there Kṛṣṇa. That stage will come. Premāñ... When your loving spirit is developed fully like the full moon, then in the full moon night, as you can visualize the whole city, similarly, by raising yourself to the platform of loving service of Kṛṣṇa, you will see God face to face.\nPremāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti yaṁ śyāmasundaram [Bs. 5.38]. That God is Śyāmasundara. This Kṛṣṇa is called Śyāmasundara. Śyāma means blackish, but He's very beautiful, very, very beautiful. Śyāmasundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpaṁ. Acintya means inconceivable. His qualities, His transcendental quality, are inconceivable. When in the Vedic literature it is said that God is quality-less, nirguṇa, nirguṇa means He is transcendental to these material qualities. But His transcendental qualities are there. So He is called that acintya-guṇa-svarūpaṁ govindam.\nWe just offer our prayer, three verses only from this Brahma-saṁhitā, before our this recitation of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. That Govinda is the original Personality of Godhead, and Śyāmasundara, with a flute in His hand, and He is very [sic:] pastimious, always smiling. And by His smiling He offers you blessings. You also, by seeing His smiling, you remain everlastingly smiling. It is so nice.\nSo Prahlāda Mahārāja recommends that the Supreme Personality of Godhead cannot be satisfied by your material opulences. That is not possible. You cannot excel Him. However you may be great in material science, knowledge, opulence, economic development or everything, but if you want to see God, then you have to accept this process, bhakti. In the Bhagavad-gītā also the same thing affirmed. Not only in the Bhagavad-gītā—in all Vedic scriptures the same thing is affirmed. Simply if you want to see God, if you want to make your relationship with God, then it is bhakti.\nAnd our process, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, is not for proselytizing, that \"You are Christian; you become Hindu,\" or \"You are Hindu; you become Christian,\" or \"You are Muhammadan; you...\" No. We don't recommend in that way. You remain in your religious faith, but we simply request you that you develop your love of God. That's all.\nWe want to test your religion capacity—how much you have developed your love of God. That's all. We do not want to see how..., what kind of rituals and performances you are doing. Phalena paricīyate. We want to see the result, how much you have tried or how much you have developed your love of Godhead. That's all.\nThat is the Bhāgavata recommendation. Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6]:\n[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]\n\"That is the first-class type of religious principle by which one can develop his dormant love of God.\" That's all. If you are not developing your love of Godhead, simply following the rituals, the Bhāgavata says, śrama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8]\n[The occupational activities a man performs according to his own position are only so much useless labor if they do not provoke attraction for the message of the Personality of Godhead.\nSimply laboring, simply wasting your valuable time. That's all. Don't waste your time. You have got very precious life in this human form of existence. Don't waste your time. Just try to increase your love of Godhead. That is the perfection of your life.\nThank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]\nAny question? Yes?",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, does sundara, like \"Gaurasundara,\" that sundara means beautiful?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Sundara means, the Sanskrit word sundara, means very beautiful. Śyāmasundara, Gaurasundara. Sundara means beautiful. Yes.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa is black? Sometimes He's depicted as blue.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Kṛṣṇa is bluish. Kṛṣṇa's color is the sky. When you see the clear sky, bluish sky, are you not very happy? \"Oh, today is very nice day, blue sky,\" especially in this country, when the sky is always overcast with cloud. So why you appreciate the color of the sky so much? That is Kṛṣṇa's color. Kṛṣṇa's... Kṛṣṇa's body, there is a rays, brahma-jyotir. That brahma-jyotir is reflected in the sky. That brahma-jyotir is outside this material sky, but that is being reflected. Therefore the sky's color is appear bluish.\nYasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi koṭiṣv aśeṣa-vasudādhi vibhūti-bhinnam [Bs. 5.40].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, whose effulgence is the source of the nondifferentiated Brahman mentioned in the Upaniṣads, being differentiated from the infinity of glories of the mundane universe appears as the indivisible, infinite, limitless, truth.]\nIt is stated in the Brahma-saṁhitā, \"On account of distribution of the rays of His body, the brahma-jyotir, there are generation of innumerable universes.\" So all these universes—this is one of the universes—they are in that brahma-jyotir, and that brahma-jyotir is being reflected in the sky, and sky is so beautiful. So how much beautiful is Kṛṣṇa, just we can imagine.\nJust like the sunshine. The sunshine is the rays of the sun planet, and in the sun planet there is sun-god. So if sunshine is so pleasing, just imagine how the sun-god is pleasing. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa's jyoti, brahma-jyotir, is so important. Then just imagine how Kṛṣṇa's beauty is appreciated in transcendental world. Yaṁ śyāma-sundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpaṁ. Barhāvataṁsam asitāmbudha-sundarāṅgam. Barhāvatāmsam asitā ambudha [Bs. 5.30].\n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is adept in playing on His flute, with blooming eyes like lotus petals with head decked with peacock's feather, with the figure of beauty tinged with the hue of blue clouds, and His unique loveliness charming millions of Cupids.]\nHis color is compared with the blackish cloud, asitāmbudha; sundarāṅgam, but very, very beautiful.\nSo we can chant again. [end]",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"The Supreme Personality of Godhead declares that one who does not accept the proper treatment to detach the mind from material engagement can hardly achieve success in self-realization. Trying to practice yoga while engaging the mind in material enjoyment is like trying to ignite a fire while pouring water on it. Similarly, yoga practice without mental control is a waste of time.\"",
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"content": "\n Because I sit down for meditation. Of course, if meditation is focusing the mind on Viṣṇu, that is very good. But there are so many yoga societies, they educate their student to concentrate their mind on something void, something color, not exactly to Viṣṇu form. You see. So that is very difficult task. That is also explained in the Bhagavad..., kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām avyaktāsakta-cetasām [Bg. 12.5]. \n[For those whose minds are attached to the unmanifested, impersonal feature of the Supreme, advancement is very troublesome. To make progrese in that discipline is always difficult for those who are embodied.]\nOne who is trying to concentrate his mind on the imperson, or voidness, it is very difficult and troublesome. At least here in this temple, these students, they are trying to concentrate his mind on Kṛṣṇa. But to concentrate one's mind in void, that is very difficult.\nSo naturally my mind is flickering. Instead of finding out something void, my mind is engaged in something else. Because mind must be engaged something. If it is not engaged in Kṛṣṇa, then it must be engaged in māyā. So if we cannot do that, then this so-called meditation and sitting posture is simply useless waste of time.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Such a show of yoga practice may be materially lucrative, but useless as far as spiritual realization is concerned.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Materially lucrative. Suppose if I open such yoga class and I charge five dollars for sitting. Money is not very rare in your country; you come. But simply I give you some sitting posture or pressing nose and this and that, but if you cannot attain the real, I mean to say, result of yoga practice, then you have wasted your time and money and I have cheated you.\nThat's all. That is not possible. That is not possible. One has to concentrate his mind on Viṣṇu form, steady, constantly. That is called samādhi. So the same thing is being done in a different manner suitable for this age. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Therefore the mind must be controlled by engaging it constantly in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. Unless one is engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he can't steadily control the mind. A Kṛṣṇa conscious person easily achieves the result of yoga practice without separate endeavor. But a yoga practitioner cannot achieve perfect success without becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious.\"",
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"content": "\n Then? Go on. Yes. So far yoga practice is concerned, is explained, discussion between Kṛṣṇa and Arjuna. Now, supposing that I practice yoga, real yoga I mean to say, not this pseudo yoga. And if I cannot do it properly, I fail. Then what is the result? Suppose I give up my business, I give up my ordinary occupation and I begin to practice yoga, but somehow or other it is not completed, it is failure, then what is the result? That is being questioned by Arjuna. That will be answered by Kṛṣṇa.\nWhat is that? Go on. \"Arjuna said...\"",
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"content": "\n \"Arjuna said: 'What is the destination of a man of faith who does not persevere, who in the beginning takes to the process of self-realization but who later desists due to worldly mindedness, and thus does not attain perfection in mysticism?'\nPurport: \"The path of self-realization, or mysticism, is described in the Bhagavad-gītā. The basic principle of self-realization is knowledge that the living entity is not this material body but that he is different from it and his happiness is in eternal life, bliss and knowledge.\"",
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"content": "\n Now, before coming to the point of self-realization, one must take it granted—that is the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā—that he is not this body: that the living entity is not this material body but that he is different from it and his happiness is in eternal life. This life is not eternal. The perfection of yoga system means to get eternal life, blissful life and full of knowledge. That is perfection.\nSo we have to execute any yoga system with that aim. Not that I attend some yoga class to reduce fat or to keep my body very fit for sense gratification. This is not the end of yoga system. But people are taught like that: \"Oh, if you practice this yoga system...\" That you can do if you undergo any exercise process; your body will be kept fit.\nThere are so many system of bodily exercise: the [indistinct] system, this weight-lifting system, this... There are many sporting system, they also keep body very fit. They can digest foodstuff very nicely, they reduce fat.\nFor this purpose there is no need of practicing yoga. The real purpose is here: that to realize that I am not this body. I want eternal happiness, I want complete knowledge, I want eternal life also. That is the ultimate end of yoga system.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"These are transcendental, beyond both body and mind. Self-realization is sought by the path of knowledge, the practice of eightfold mysticism or by bhakti-yoga. In each of these processes one has to realize the constitutional position of the living entity, his relationship with God and the activities whereby he can reestablish the lost link and achieve the highest perfectional stage of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\n\"Following any of the above-mentioned three methods, one is sure to reach the supreme goal sooner or later. This was asserted by the Lord in the Second Chapter. Even a little endeavor on the transcendental path of bhakti-yoga is especially suitable for this age, because it is the most direct method of God-realization.\n\"To be doubly assured, Arjuna is asking Lord Kṛṣṇa to confirm His former statement. One may sincerely adopt the path of self-realization. But the process of cultivation of knowledge and the practice of eightfold yoga system are generally very difficult for this age. Therefore, in spite of one's earnest endeavor, one may fail for many reasons. The primary reason is one's not being sufficiently serious about following the process. To pursue the transcendental path is more or less to declare war on the illusory energy.\"",
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"content": "\n When we accept any self-realization process, it is practically declaring war against the illusory energy, māyā. So when there's a question of māyā or a question of fight or war, there will be so many difficulty imposed by māyā. That is certain. Therefore there is a chance of failure. But one has to become very steady.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Consequently, whenever a person tries to escape the clutches of the illusory energy, she tries to defeat the practitioner by various allurements. A conditioned soul is already allured by the modes of material energy, and there is every chance of being allured again while performing such transcendental practice. This is called yogāc calita-mānasaḥ.\"",
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"content": "\n Calita-mānasaḥ [Bg. 6.37]. \n[Arjuna said: What is the destination of the man of faith who does not persevere, who in the beginning takes to the process of self-realization but who later desists due to worldly-mindedness and thus does not attain perfection in mysticism?]\nCalita-mānasaḥ means diverting the mind from the practice of yoga. Yogāc calita-mānasaḥ. Yogāt means from the practice of yoga, and calita means diversion. Mānasaḥ means mind. Yogāc calita-mānasaḥ. So there is every chance. Everyone has got experience: you're trying to read some book, concentration, but mind is not allowing; it is disturbed. So it is very important factor to control the mind. That is the real practice.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"...one who is deviated from the transcendental path. Arjuna is inquisitive to know the results of deviation from the path of self-realization.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes, this is very important question, that one may begin practicing any sort of yoga, either the eightfold yoga system or the jñāna-yoga system—means speculating philosophically—and the bhakti-yoga system, devotional service. But if one fails to complete the yoga system, what is the result? That is very important question, and it is put by Arjuna and Kṛṣṇa will answer it. [break]",
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"content": "\n \"By virtue of the divine consciousness of his previous life, he automatically becomes attached to the yogic principles, even without seeking them. Such an inquisitive transcendentalist, striving for yoga, stands always above the ritualistic principles of the scriptures.",
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"content": "\n But when the yogī...\"",
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"content": "\n No, let me explain this. \"By virtue of divine consciousness.\" We are preparing this consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, divine consciousness. And the consciousness will go. Just like the flavor, the aroma, of a rose flower is carried by the air, and if the air passes through us we also experience the rose flavor. Similarly, when we die, this material body is finished. \"Dust thou art, dust thou beist.\" This is made of five elements: earth, water, air, fire, ether.\nSo the..., so far earthly materials are concerned, that is mixed up. Somebody burns this body, somebody buries or somebody throws it for being eaten by the animals. The three system in the human society... Just like in India, Hindus, they burn the body. So the body comes transformed into ashes—means earth. Ash means earth. Those who are burying the bodies of their forefathers, the body turns into dust, as the Christian Bible says, \"Dust thou art.\"\nThis body is dust and again turn into dust. And those who are throwing for being eaten by the animals and birds, vultures... Just like in India you have got the community, Parsee community, they do not burn, neither they bury. They throw, and the vultures immediately comes and eat. Then the body turns into stool. So either it will turn into ashes or into dust or into stool. This beautiful body, which you are soaping so nicely, it will turn into three stages: stool, ashes or dust.\nSo the finer elements means mind, intelligence and ego. That is altogether it is called consciousness. That will carry you, the spirit soul, small particle of spirit. That will be carried by these three finer elements: mind, intelligence and ego. And according to the... Just like the flavor, if it is rose flavor, aroma, you enjoy, \"Oh, it is very nice.\" But it is filthy flavor, passing through stool or any other filthy place, oh, you say, \"Oh, it is very bad smell.\"\nSo this consciousness will carry you either in a stool smell or rose flavor according to your work, as you make your consciousness. So if you make your consciousness, train your consciousness, into Kṛṣṇa, then it will carry you to Kṛṣṇa. This is not very difficult to understand. You cannot see the air, but you can experience by smelling: \"Oh, the air is passing through like this.\" Similarly, these different kinds of body are developed according to the consciousness.\nSo if you have trained up your consciousness to the yogic principle, then you get a body, similar body. You get good chance, you get good parents, good family, where you'll be allowed to practice this system, and automatically you'll get chance again to revive your same consciousness in which you left your previous body. That is explained here, \"by virtue of divine consciousness.\"\nTherefore our present duty is how to make the consciousness divine. That should be our business. If you want divine life, if you want spiritual elevation back to Godhead, back to home—that means eternal life, blissful life full of knowledge—then we have to train ourselves in divine consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That you can very easily do by association. Saṅgāt sañjāyate kāmaḥ [Bg. 2.62].\n[While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from lust anger arises.]\nIf you keep divine association, then your consciousness is made divine. And if you keep hellish association, demonic association, then your consciousness is trained up in that way.\nSo we have to train our consciousness divine. That is the duty of human form of life. If we make our consciousness divine, then we are preparing for next divine life. As there are different grades of life, so human form of life is a chance to make your next life completely divine. Completely divine means eternal, blissful and full of knowledge. So automatically by divine consciousness you try to contact with persons who are developing divine consciousness. So this is explained in this verse.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"But when the yogī engages himself with sincere endeavor in making further progress, being washed of all contaminations, then ultimately, after many, many births of practice, he attains the supreme goal.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. So it is a question of practice. Just like a child born, he does not know how to smoke, how to drink, but by association he becomes a drunkard, a smoker, intoxication. By association. So it is the question of association only. Saṅgāt sañjāyate kāmaḥ [Bg. 2.62]. If the association is good, our career is being spoiled, because we are not keeping good association. So this is explained here, that \"But when the yogī engages himself with sincere endeavor in making further progress.\"\nJust like in business also, there are so many association, corporation, because by becoming member of that corporation, the particular type of business flourishes. They have got exchange. They can make exchange, bill of exchange, stock exchange. So association is so important.\nSo if we become serious for developing divine consciousness, then this is the only association. We have established the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. Here, simply the method how one can become divine conscious, that is taught. So this is a good chance. We invite everyone to join, and the process is very simple: simply chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, and you'll feel. There is no difficult process.\nThe children also can take part, and actually they are taking part. We don't require any previous qualification, that you must have passed your master of degree examination or this or that. Whatever you are, you simply come and join this association and you become Kṛṣṇa conscious. This is the advantage of this Society. It is clear. Please try to understand.\nGo on. Purport?",
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"content": "\n \"A person born in a particularly righteous, aristocratic or sacred family becomes conscious of his favorable condition for executing yoga practice. With determination, therefore, he begins his unfinished task, and thus he completely cleanses himself of all material contaminations. When he is finally free of all contaminations, he attains the supreme perfection, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa consciousness...\"",
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"content": "\n It is... Try to understand that the Supreme Lord, God, is pure. And His kingdom is also pure. And anyone who wants to enter there, he must be pure. That is very natural, that if you want to enter into some particular society, you must qualify yourself. There are... Qualification is, to go back to home, back to Godhead, the qualification is that you should not be materially contaminated.\nAnd what is that material contamination? The material contamination is sense gratification, unrestricted sense gratification. That is material contamination. So you have to make yourself free from material contamination. Then you become eligible to enter into the kingdom of God.\nThat process of being freed or being washed of all material contamination is yoga system. Yoga system does not mean that you sit down for fifteen minutes for so-called meditation and you continue all your material contamination. Just like if you want to be cured from a certain type of disease, you have to follow the regulation made by the physician.\nSimilarly, in this chapter the process of yoga practice is recommended, how you have to do it. So that means if you execute those prescribed methods, then you become freed from material contamination. Then you are actually situated for linking up, for making connection with the Supreme. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nOur method is directly to connect you. That is the special gift of Lord Caitanya—immediately to contact him with Kṛṣṇa. Because ultimately you have to come to that point, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So here this method is that directly, immediately. And it is practical also. Those who have no qualification, they simply by coming in contact with the Society they have become highly advanced in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is practical.\nSo in this age we have to give chance to the people, direct contact. No slow process method will help them, because the life is very short, they are not very much fortunate and the association is very bad. Therefore, direct contact—harer nāma [Cc. Ādi 17.21]. \n[“’In this Age of Kali there is no other means, no other means, no other means for self-realization than chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name, chanting the holy name of Lord Hari.’]\nSimply Kṛṣṇa is presented in the form of His transcendental name, and you contact Him immediately by hearing. You have got natural instrument, hearing. You simply hear \"Kṛṣṇa\" and you become uncontaminated immediately.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the perfect stage, being freed of all contaminations. This is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā. After many, many births in execution of pious activities, when one is completely freed from all contaminations and from all illusory dualities, one then becomes engaged in the transcendental loving service of the Lord.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yeṣāṁ anta-gataṁ pāpam. The exact verse in the Bhagavad-gītā is yeṣāṁ anta-gataṁ pāpam [Bg. 7.28].\n[Persons who have acted piously in previous lives and in this life, whose sinful actions are completely eradicated and who are freed from the duality of delusion, engage themselves in My service with determination.]\nPāpam means sin. One who has completely ended sinful activities, janānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām—persons who have simply executed pious activities—such person becomes fixed up in Kṛṣṇa consciousness without any dualities. Because our mind is flickering, so dualities will always come: \"Whether I shall accept it or not?\" \"Whether I shall become Kṛṣṇa conscious or another conscious?\" These problems are always there.\nBut if one is advanced by pious activities in the previous life, then he is fixed up steady, \"I'll become Kṛṣṇa conscious.\" So this method, this chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa method, even in your previous life you did not act very piously or in this life, it doesn't matter. If you kindly take seriously this simple method, Hare Kṛṣṇa chanting, you become immediately pure—but with the determination that you'll not contact any more impious activities.\nJust like in our Society we make four restriction. Anyone who desires to be initiated in our Society, we put four principles. No illicit sex life. We don't say that don't have sex life. No illicit sex life. You get yourself married, and for children you can have sex life; not for another purpose. So, no illicit sex life, no intoxication.\nOur students, they do not smoke even, they do not take tea even, coffee, so what to speak of other things. So they are so pure. No gambling and no animal food. That's all. If you simply follow these four principles, then you become immediately uncontaminated. Immediately, without any further endeavor.\nSo Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is so nice that as soon as you join, you become immediately uncontaminated. But do not contaminate again. Therefore these restriction. Because our contamination begins from these four kinds of bad habits. But if we check, then there is no question of contamination. As soon as I take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness I become free.\nNow if I become cautious not to accept these four principles, then I am free; I am continuing uncontaminated. This is the process. But if you think that \"Because Kṛṣṇa consciousness makes me free, so let me indulge in all these four principles and I will get free after chanting,\" that is cheating. That will not be allowed. Once you are free, but don't do it again. But if you think \"I shall do it and make myself free...\"\nJust like in some religious process it is said that you commit all kinds of sins and go to the church and simply confess—you are free. So this doing and confessing, doing and confessing is going on. But here, no. If you are freed, that's all right. But don't do it again. That is the purpose of confession. Confession, if you confess that \"I have done these sinful activities,\" so why should you do again?\nIf you confess that it is sinful, pick-pocketing is sinful, take for example, so by confessing you are freed, then why shall you do it again? It requires little intelligence. It does not mean that because by confessing I become freed, I shall go on continuing this and again confess and become freed. No. That's not good. If it is not good—you have confessed that it is not good—then you should not do it again. That is the purpose. Not that you do it and confess, do it and confess, do it and confess. This business is not good.\nSo we should be careful, the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, that these four principles, if you indulge in unrestricted, then you become contaminated. But if you take precaution in executing these four principles... We don't say that you don't have sex life. You have. But for this purpose, not for this purpose. Similarly, you eat, but you eat this way, not that way. So defend... Kṛṣṇa also advised Arjuna to defend. So defend is also not prohibited, provided it is for right cause.\nSo in this way if we can come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, immediately we become free from all contamination. And if we take precaution of these four principles, then our life is pure. And if we can continue this pure life till the time of death, you are sure to be transferred to the kingdom of God.\nGo on. That is stated in Bhagavad-gītā; you have already read: tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]. \n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\nBy giving up this body, that person who is fully in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he does not come back again to take part in this material world. This yogī who is coming to a good family, to a righteous family or rich, aristocratic family, they are coming back. But if you are perfect Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you are no more coming back; you are situated in the Goloka Vṛndāvana in the spiritual sky.\nSo we should try not to come back again. Because if I come back again... Suppose I have got very nice chance: I have got birth in a very good family, in rich family. But if I cannot utilize it properly, then again I degrade myself to other sort of life. So why should we take this risk. Better complete Kṛṣṇa consciousness in this life. It is very simple. It is not very difficult. Simply to keep yourself in thoughts of Kṛṣṇa, that's all. It is very simple thing. Then you are assured of your next birth in the spiritual sky, in the kingdom of God or in the Goloka Vṛndāvana.\nYes.",
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"content": "\n \"A yogī is greater than the ascetic, greater than the empiricist and greater than the fruitive worker. Therefore, O Arjuna, in all circumstances be a yogī.\"",
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"content": "\n Yogī, that is the highest perfectional material conditional life. There are different grades of life within this material world, but if one establishes himself in the yoga principle, especially in this bhakti-yoga principle, that means he's living in the most perfectional stage of life. Yes. So Kṛṣṇa is recommending Arjuna, \"My dear friend Arjuna, in all circumstances you be a yogī, remain a yogī.\"\nYes. Go on.",
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"content": "\n \"And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.\"",
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"content": "\n Now, here it is clearly stated that of all yogīs... There are different kinds of yogīs: aṣṭāṅga-yogī, haṭha-yogī, jñāna-yogī, karma-yogī, bhakta-yogī. So bhakta-yogī is the highest platform of yoga principle. So Kṛṣṇa says here, \"And of all yogīs\"—there are different kinds of yogīs—\"of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me,\" in Kṛṣṇa... \"Me\" means...\nKṛṣṇa says \"in Me\"; that means one who is keeping always in Kṛṣṇa consciousness—\"abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.\" This is the prime instruction of this chapter, Sāṅkhya-yoga, that if you want to become perfect yogī of the highest platform, then keep yourself in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and you become the first-class yogī.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n Purport: \"The Sanskrit word bhajate is significant here.\"",
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"content": "\n This word bhajate appears in the original Sanskrit verse:\nyoginām api sarveṣāṁ\nmad-gatenāntar-ātmanā\nbhajate yo māṁ śraddhāvān\nsa me yuktatamo mataḥ\n[Bg. 6.47]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nThis bhajate, this bhajate, this word, Sanskrit word, it comes from the root bhaj, bhaj-dhātu. It is a verb, bhaj-dhātu. Bhaj means to render service. Bhaja. So this very word is used in this verse, bhaj-dhātu. That means one who is devotee. Who renders service to Kṛṣṇa unless he is devotee?\nSuppose you are rendering service here. Why? You can render service anywhere, you get thousand dollars or two thousand dollars every month. But here, you come and give your service without any payment. Why? Because out of love of Kṛṣṇa.\nTherefore this bhaja, this service, loving service, is based on love of Godhead. Otherwise why one should waste his time for nothing? Here these students, they are engaged in so many things. Somebody is gardening, somebody is typing, somebody is cooking, somebody is doing something else—everything—but it is in connection with Kṛṣṇa. Therefore the Kṛṣṇa consciousness is prevailing always, twenty-four hours. That is the highest type of yoga. \nYoga means to keep your consciousness intact with Viṣṇu or Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord. That is the perfection of yoga. Here it is automatically; even the child can do it. The child is coming along with his mother and bowing down, \"Kṛṣṇa, I bow down.\" So he is also Kṛṣṇa conscious. A small child, he's clapping. Why? \"He Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSo anyway, everyone is remembering always Kṛṣṇa, keeping Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Even a child here is the highest yogī. It is not our boastfulness; it is stated in authorized scripture like Bhagavad-gītā. We don't say that we have created these words for our boastful. No. It is a fact. Even a child can keep in the highest platform of yoga practice in this temple. That is the highest gift of this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Bhajate has its root in the verb bhaj, which is used when there is need of \"service.\" The English word \"worship\" cannot be used in the same sense as bhaja. Worship means to adore, or to show respect and honor to the worthy one. But service with love and faith is especially meant for the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Worship and rendering service, they are different. Worship means there is some motive. I worship some friend or some big man, I have got some motive, that \"This big man is a very big businessman, and if I can please him then he may give me some business, I'll derive some profit.\" So the worship of demigods is like that. They worship different demigods for some particular purpose. That is condemned in the\nBhagavad-gītā, you'll find it in the Eighth Chapter. Kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ prapadyante 'nya devatāḥ [Bg. 7.20]. Those who have lost their sense, bewildered by lust, they go to worship demigods with a motive.\n[Those whose minds are distorted by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.]\nSo when we speak of worship, there is motive. But when we speak of service, there is no motive. Service is love. Just like mother renders service to the child. There is no motive; it is love only. Everyone can neglect that child; that mother cannot, because there is love. Similarly, bhaj-dhātu, where there is question of service, there is no question of motive. That is perfection of Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nAnd that is recommended in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam: first-class religious principle. What is that? Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje [SB 1.2.6]. \n[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]\nThis bhakti, this bhaja, the same root, that system of religious principle is first-class. What is that? Yato bhaktir adhokṣaje: by performing which one can develop his God consciousness, or love of God. That's all. If you can develop your love of God—you follow any religious principle, doesn't matter—but the test is how much you are developing your love for God.\nBut if you have got some motive, that \"By practicing this system of religious system, my material necessities will be fulfilled,\" that is not first-class religion. That is third-class religion. The first-class religion is that by which you can develop your love of Godhead, ahaituky apratihatā, without any cause and without any impediment. That is first class.\nSo that is being recommended. This yoga system, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, even you take it from religious side, this is first class—because there is no motive. They are not serving Kṛṣṇa to supply them this or that. No. There may be this or that; that doesn't matter. They are engaged in. But there is no scarcity of this and that. They get everything. Don't think that becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious one becomes poor. No. If Kṛṣṇa is there, everything is there, because Kṛṣṇa is everything. So... But we should not make any business with Kṛṣṇa, \"Kṛṣṇa give me this, give me that.\"\nKṛṣṇa knows better than you. Just like a child does not demand from the parents, \"My dear father, my dear mother, give me this\" or \"give me that.\" The father knows what is the necessity of the child. So this is not very good business to ask God, \"Give me this, give me that.\" Why shall I ask? If God is all-powerful, He knows my wants, He knows my necessities, and that is also confirmed in the Vedas, eko bahūnāṁ vidadhāti kāmān [Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13]:\n[The Supreme Lord is eternal and the living beings are eternal. The Supreme Lord is cognizant and the living beings are cognizant. The difference is that the Supreme Lord is supplying all the necessities of life for the many other living entities.]\nThat single one God is supplying all necessities of millions and trillions, and innumerable; there is no count, living entities.\nSo we should simply try to love God, not demand anything. Demand is already supplied. Even the cats and dogs are getting their necessities. They don't go to the church or ask anything from God, but they are getting. So why a devotee shall not get? If a cat and dog can get his necessities of life without demanding from God, why shall I demand from God that \"Give me this, give me that.\" No. We shall simply try to love Him. That will fulfill everything. That is called highest platform of yoga.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"One can avoid worshiping a respectable man or demigod, and he may be called discourteous, but one cannot avoid serving the Supreme Lord without being thoroughly condemned. Every living entity is a part and parcel of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and as such, every living entity is intended to serve the Supreme Lord by his own constitution.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is natural. If I am part and parcel of God, my duty is to serve. This example I have given you many times: Just like this finger is the part and parcel of my body. So what is the duty of this finger? The duty of the finger is to serve the whole body, that's all. If I am feeling something itching, immediately finger is working.\nYou see? If I want to see, the eyes immediately work. If I want to go, the legs immediately take me. So as this bodily part and part, limbs, are helping me, the whole thing, and I am eating, and the stomach, I am eating only. Similarly, God is meant for simply receiving service from all other parts. Not to serve. The service...\nIf the limbs of the body serves the whole body, the energy automatically comes to the parts of the body. Similarly, if we serve Kṛṣṇa, we get all our necessities, energy, automatically. Yathā taror mūla-niṣecanena [SB 4.31.14]. \n[As pouring water on the root of a tree energizes the trunk, branches, twigs and everything else, and as supplying food to the stomach enlivens the senses and limbs of the body, simply worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead through devotional service automatically satisfies the demigods, who are parts of that Supreme Personality.]\nThe example: just like pouring water on the root of the tree, the energy is immediately supplied to the leaves, to the twigs, to the branches, to the everywhere, immediately. Similarly, simply by serving Kṛṣṇa, or God, you supply all other parts, you serve all other parts.\nThere is no question of serving differently, \"The humanity serves...\" Everything automatically comes, everything. Sympathy not only for human being, even for the animals the sympathy comes. God consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness is so nice. Without God consciousness, without Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the sympathy for other living entities is very limited. But with God consciousness, with Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the sympathy for other living entities is full. That is the system.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Failing to do this, he falls down. The Bhāgavatam confirms this as follows: 'Anyone who does not render service and neglects his duty unto the Primeval Lord, who is the source of all living entities, will certainly fall down from his constitutional position.' \"",
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"content": "\n Yes.\nya eṣāṁ puruṣaṁ sākṣād\nātma-prabhavam īśvaram\nna bhajanty avajānanti\nsthānād bhraṣṭāḥ patanty adhaḥ\n[SB 11.5.3]\n[Any members of the four varṇas and four āśramas who fail to worship the Personality of Godhead, the source of their own creation, or who intentionally disrespect Him will fall down from their position into a hellish state of life.]\nThis is also very nice example. The Bhāgavata says that we are all parts and parcels of the Supreme. If we do not serve the Supreme, then we fall down from our specified place. What is that? The same example can be given, that this finger, if it becomes diseased and cannot render service to the whole body, it simply gives pain. The other aspect of the part and parcel, try to understand. If the part and parcel cannot render service regularly, that means it is painful.\nSo any person who is not rendering service to the Supreme Lord, he's simply giving pain to the Supreme Lord. He's simply giving trouble; therefore he has to suffer. Just like any man who is not abiding by the laws of the state, he's simply giving pain to the government, and he's liable to become criminal. He may think that \"I'm very good man,\" but because he's violating the laws of the state, he's simply torturing the government. This is simple.\nSo anyone who is not serving..., any living entity who is not serving the government, he's painful. Because he is painful, therefore Kṛṣṇa comes. He feels pain. That is sinful, if we give pain. The same example, sthānād bhraṣṭāḥ patanty adhaḥ [SB 11.5.3]. And as soon as one thing is very painful... Just like the government keeps all these painful citizens into the prison house, collect together: \"You live here, you all nonsense, you criminals. Live here. Don't disturb in the open state.\"\nSimilarly all these criminals who have violated the laws of God, who have simply given pain to the Lord, they are put in this material world. All these. And, sthānād bhraṣṭāḥ patanty adhaḥ: he falls down from the specified place. Just like the same example: if your finger is painful only, the doctor advises, \"Oh, Mister, your finger has to be now amputated. Otherwise it will pollute the whole body.\" So sthānād bhraṣṭāḥ, it is fallen down from the specified place.\nSo we have fallen down. Being rebelled against the principle of God consciousness, we are all fallen down. So if we want to revive our original position, we must be placed again into that service attitude. That is the perfect cure. Otherwise we shall suffer pain and God will be suffering pain on account of us. Just like if your son is not good, you suffer and the son suffers.\nSimilarly, we are all sons of God. So when we are painful, God is also painful. The best thing is to revive our original Kṛṣṇa consciousness and be engaged in the service of the Lord. That is natural life, and that is possible in the spiritual sky, or in the Goloka Vṛndāvana.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"In this verse also, the word bhajanti is used. Bhajanti is applicable to the Supreme Lord only, whereas the word 'worship' can be applied to demigods or to any other common living entity. The word avajānanti...\"",
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"content": "\n Avajānanti means neglecting. \"What is God? I am God. What is God? Why shall I serve God?\" This is avajānanti. Just like criminal, \"Ah, what is government? I can manage my own affairs. I don't care for government.\" This is called avajānanti. But you cannot. If I say, \"I don't care for government,\" all right, you can say that, but the police department is there. It will give you pains; it will punish you. The material nature will punish you with threefold miseries.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"The word avajānanti used in this verse of the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is also found in the Bhagavad-gītā. Avajānanti...",
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"content": "\n Māṁ mūḍhāḥ. The Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, this word is used, avajānanti sthānād bhraṣṭāḥ patanty adhaḥ. Similarly, the same word is used in Bhagavad-gītā: avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ [Bg. 9.11]. \n[Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be.]\nMūḍhāḥ means rascals. Only rascals, they think that..., \"do not care for Me.\" Rascals. He does not know that he will suffer, but he dares to say like that: \"I don't care for...\" That is avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam, paraṁ bhāvam ajānantaḥ [Bg. 9.11]. Without knowing the supreme position of the Lord, cheaply, cheaply they select God. God has become so cheap. \"I am God,\" \"You are God.\" So what is the meaning of God? Do you know? If I am God, you are God, then what is the meaning of God?\nSo avajānanti, this word is very appropriate. Avajānanti means neglectful; don't care. But they are mūḍhāḥ. They are called... Mūḍha means senseless, without any knowledge. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam. \nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Only the fools and rascals deride the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Kṛṣṇa. Such fools take it upon themselves to write commentaries on the Bhagavad-gītā without an attitude of service to the Lord. Consequently, they cannot properly distinguish between the word bhajanti and the word worship.\n\"So the culmination of all kinds of yoga practice lies in bhakti-yoga. All other yogas are but means to come to the point of bhakti-yoga. Yoga actually means bhakti-yoga. All other yogas are progressions toward this destination. From the beginning of karma-yoga to the end of bhakti-yoga is a long way to self-realization.\n\"Karma-yoga without fruitive results is the beginning of this path. When karma-yoga increases in knowledge and renunciation, the stage is called jñāna-yoga. When jñāna-yoga increases in meditation on the Supersoul by different physical processes and the mind is on Him, it is called aṣṭāṅga-yoga. And when one surpasses the aṣṭāṅga-yoga and comes to the point of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, it is called bhakti-yoga.\"",
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"content": "\nYes. The gradual progress of yoga system: karma-yoga to jñāna-yoga. Karma-yoga means ordinary activities, fruitive activities. Ordinary activities means sinful activities also, but karma-yoga does not mean sinful activities—only good, pious activities or prescribed activities. That is called karma-yoga.\nThen, by performing karma-yoga one comes to the platform of jñāna-yoga, knowledge. And from knowledge to this aṣṭāṅga-yoga, eightfold yoga system—dhyāna, dhāraṇā, prāṇāyāma, āsana—like that, those who are practicing the aṣṭāṅga-yoga. Then from aṣṭāṅga-yoga, concentrating the mind on Viṣṇu, come to the point of bhakti-yoga. And when one comes to the bhakti-yoga platform, that is the perfectional stage of yoga. And this Kṛṣṇa consciousness means from the very beginning, directly, that bhakti-yoga.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Factually, bhakti-yoga is the ultimate goal, but to analyze bhakti-yoga minutely, one has to understand these other minor yogas. The yogī who is progressive is therefore on the true path of eternal auspiciousness. One who sticks to a particular point and does not make further progress is called by that particular name.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. Now, if somebody is practicing jñāna-yoga, if he thinks that this is finished, that is wrong. You have to make further progress. Just like we have given many times the example: there is a staircase, and you have to go to the highest floor, which is, say, hundredth floor. So somebody is on the fiftieth floor, somebody is on the thirtieth floor, somebody is on the eightieth floor.\nSo if by coming to the particular eightieth, fiftieth or eightieth floor one thinks, \"This is finished,\" then he is not progressing. One has to go to the end. That is highest platform of yoga. The whole staircase can be called a yoga system, connecting, link. But don't be satisfied by keeping yourself on the fiftieth floor or eightieth floor. Go to the highest platform, the hundredth or hundred-fiftieth floor. That is bhakti-yoga.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"But if one is fortunate enough to come to the point of bhakti-yoga, it is to be understood that he has surpassed all the different yogas.\"",
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"content": "\n Now, if somebody, instead of crossing the steps, he is given chance of the elevator, within a second he comes to the top. So if somebody says, \"Why shall I take advantage of this elevator? I shall go step by step,\" he can go. But there is chance. If you take this bhakti-yoga, immediately you take the help of the elevator and within a second you are on the hundredth floor. This is the process, direct process. You can go step by step, following all other yoga system, but you can take directly.\nLord Caitanya has recommended that in this age, people are very short-living, they are disturbed, they are full of anxieties. Therefore by His grace, by His causeless mercy, He is giving you the lift immediately, \"Come to the bhakti-yoga by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" Immediately. You haven't got to wait. Immediately take. That is the special gift of Lord Caitanya.\nTherefore Rūpa Gosvāmī prays, offers respect to Lord Caitanya, namo mahā-vadānyāya kṛṣṇa-prema-pradāya te [Cc. Madhya 19.53]:\n[“O most munificent incarnation! You are Kṛṣṇa Himself appearing as Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya Mahāprabhu. You have assumed the golden color of Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī, and You are widely distributing pure love of Kṛṣṇa. We offer our respectful obeisances unto You.]\n\"Oh, You are the most munificent incarnation, because You are giving directly love of Kṛṣṇa. To attain love of Kṛṣṇa one has to pass through so many steps and stages of yoga system, and You are giving directly. Therefore You are the most munificent.\" So actually that is the position.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Therefore, to become Kṛṣṇa conscious is the highest stage of yoga, just as when we speak of the Himalayas, we refer to the world's highest mountains, of which the highest peak, Mount Everest, is considered to be the culmination. It is by great fortune that one comes to Kṛṣṇa consciousness on the path of bhakti-yoga and is well situated according to the Vedic directions.\n\"The ideal yogī concentrates his attention on Kṛṣṇa, who is called Śyāmasundara, beautifully colored as a cloud, His lotuslike face effulgent as the sun, and His dress brilliant with earrings, and His body flower-garlanded. Illuminating all sides is His gorgeous luster, which is called the brahma-jyotir. He incarnates in different forms, such as Rāma, Nṛsiṁha, Varāha and Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And He descends like a human being as the son of Mother Yaśodā, and is He known as Kṛṣṇa, Govinda and Vāsudeva. He is the perfect child, husband, friend, master, and He is full of all opulences and transcendental qualities.\n\"If one remains fully conscious of these features of the Lord, he is called the highest yogī. This stage of highest perfection in yoga can be attained only by bhakti-yoga, as is confirmed in all Vedic literature.\"",
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"content": "\n Bhakti... In the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find that bhaktyā mām abhijānāti yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ [Bg. 18.55]. \n[One can understand the Supreme Personality as He is only by devotional service. And when one is in full consciousness of the Supreme Lord by such devotion, he can enter into the kingdom of God.]\nIn the beginning Kṛṣṇa says that \"Out of millions of people, one may understand Me actually, factually.\" And that same \"factually\" word is used in the Eighteenth Chapter, that \"If one wants to know Me,\" Kṛṣṇa, or God, \"then he has to go through the process of bhakti-yoga.\" Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti yāvān yaś cāsmi tattvataḥ [Bg. 18.55]. That is clearly said.\nIn the Vedas also it is said simply through bhakti, devotional service, you can attain to the highest perfectional stage. Other yoga system there must be mixture of bhakti. But bhakti-yoga is unadulterated devotion. Therefore this direct process of bhakti-yoga is recommended for this age, because they haven't got sufficient time to execute all the paraphernalia any other system of yoga.\nThank you very much.\n[break] Yes.",
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"content": "\n When we sing bhaja śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya, we're saying \"Worship Śrī Kṛṣṇa Caitanya\"—we say bhaja, so...",
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"content": "\n Bhaja, yes. Bhaja means just be engaged in His service. That is... Worship automatically comes there. When you are engaged in service, the worshipment is already there.",
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"content": "\n And the motive for worshiping this is for direction in devotional service?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That should be the only motive. Our motives with Kṛṣṇ... Lord Caitanya has taught us that when you pray, you should not pray for anything material. Lord Caitanya prays to the Lord in this way, na dhanaṁ na janaṁ na sundarīṁ kavitāṁ vā jagad-īśa kāmaye [Cc. Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4]:\n[O almighty Lord, I have no desire to accumulate wealth, nor do I desire beautiful women, nor do I want any number of followers. I only want Your causeless devotional service, birth after birth.]\n\"My dear Lord, Jagadīśa.\" Jagat means the universe and īśa means controller. So the controller of the universe, jagad-īśa. Instead of saying Kṛṣṇa or Rāma, this can be understood by any layman, that because there must be somebody controller, He is jagad-īśa, the controller of the whole universe.\nSo He's saying, \"My dear controller of the universe,\" or the Lord. Na dhanaṁ na janaṁ na sundarīṁ na kavitāṁ vā jagad-īśa kāmaye: \"I do not pray from You any amount of wealth or any number of followers or any nice, beautiful woman.\" These are material claims. People generally want to become a very great leader within this material world.\nSomebody is trying to become a very rich man like Ford or Rockefeller, somebody is trying to become the president, somebody is trying to become such thing and such thing, to become a very good leader so that many thousands of people may follow. So these are material demands. \"Give me some money, give me some followers, and give me a nice wife,\" that's all.\nBut Lord Caitanya refuses. He says, \"I don't want all these things.\" Na janaṁ na dhanam. Dhanam means wealth, and janam means followers. Na sundarīṁ kavitām, \"or beautiful wife.\" Then what for You are worshiping? What for You are becoming devotee? He says, mama janmani janmanīśvare. He's not asking for even liberation. Because the yogīs, they want liberation; they have got demand. The materialists, they also have got demand, \"I want this, I want that, I want that.\" So the so-called spiritualists, they also demand liberation. That is also demand.\nBut Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that \"I don't want anything of this nature. Simply I want to be engaged in Your service.\" Janmani janmani—birth after birth. That means... He does not say also that \"Stop My this disease of birth and death.\" This is the stage of bhakti-yoga. There is no demand. Simply the only prayer is that \"You engage me in Your service.\" [break]\nSo our this chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa is also the same thing. This is also taught by Caitanya—Hare means addressing the energy of the Lord, and Kṛṣṇa, the Lord, Rāma, the Lord. Why? \"Please engage me in Your service.\" That's all. That should be the demand. \"Please engage me in Your service.\" Because the whole disease is that we have forgotten to serve God, because we are thinking, \"I am God. What is any other God that I have to serve? I am myself God.\" That is the only disease. The last snare. First of all I try to become president, minister, Rockefeller, Ford, this, that. When I fail, then I want to become God. That is another president, you see?\nSo in the bhakti-yoga there is no such demand. Simply to serve. When all presidentship fails, then I demand the highest presidentship: to become God. You see? The demand is there, the disease is there. They cannot know that, that \"My disease is still there.\" I am demanding to be the highest. But bhakti-yoga is just the opposite: to become servant, servant of the servant [Cc. Madhya 13.80].\n[“’I am not a brāhmaṇa, I am not a kṣatriya, I am not a vaiśya or a śūdra. Nor am I a brahmacārī, a householder, a vānaprastha or a sannyāsī. I identify Myself only as the servant of the servant of the servant of the lotus feet of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the maintainer of the gopīs. He is like an ocean of nectar, and He is the cause of universal transcendental bliss. He is always existing with brilliance.’”]\nJust opposite. There is no question of demanding to become the Lord or the president or this. \"I want to serve,\" that's all. And that is the crucial test.\nService is the original nature. Now in this material world also you are serving. If you want to become the president, then I have to promise so many times to the voters that \"I'll give you service.\" Without promise of service, there is no question of presidentship. So actually my position is to render service—either I become president or minister or this or that.\nThat they cannot understand, that \"In spite of my becoming the highest executive person, president, oh, I have to give service to my people, otherwise immediately they dethrone me. Therefore my real position is service.\" But service here is so dangerous: if there is little discrepancy of service, the president is immediately fired. Why your president, Mr. Kennedy, was fired? Because some people did not like that \"You are rendering nice service.\" That is the root fact.\nSo you cannot satisfy here by service. Our Gandhi, in India, he was also killed. He gave service throughout the whole life, but people at the time did not like. \"Oh, you are not rendering their service.\" So this is the position. Therefore one should be intelligent enough to know that no more service to these material objectives. I must give my service to the Supreme Lord. That is the perfection of life. [break]",
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"content": "\n Why are you teaching Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa consciousness?",
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"content": "\n Because you have forgotten. That is your natural position. You have forgotten the service of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa, therefore you have become the service of māyā..., servant of māyā, your senses. Therefore I am teaching that \"You are serving your senses. Now you turn your service to Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, you'll be happy\" Service you have to render—either Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa or māyā, illusion, senses. Everybody is serving to the senses. Is it not? But he's not satisfied. He cannot be satisfied.\nTherefore I am giving them the right information—that service you have to render. But instead of serving your senses, please serve Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa; then you'll be happy. Your position of servant remains the same, but I'm offering a good service. If you don't serve Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa, then you have to serve your senses, māyā. So your service position will remain, even if you don't serve Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. Therefore the best instruction is that instead of serving your senses, your whims, please serve Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa; you'll be happy. That's all.",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? Before this question was asked you were talking about the ślokas that Lord Caitanya left for us. I can't understand. On one hand He says that we don't want to be delivered from this material ocean, we just want to serve. Then in one of the other ślokas He pleads with Kṛṣṇa to deliver Him from this ocean of death and fix Him up as one of the atoms of His lotus feet. This seems to be a contradiction to me, I can't...",
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"content": "\n What is that contradiction? Please explain.",
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"content": "\n Well, it seems like..., you explained before that we shouldn't try to pray to be delivered from this material ocean. We should just try to serve Kṛṣṇa, wherever we are, and be delivered from the ocean of death. Seems to be a plea to take Him out of this material ocean.",
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"content": "\nThat na dhanaṁ na janam, mama janmani janmanīśvare bhavatu me bhaktir ahaitukī: \"Let me situated in Your service.\" This is the prayer. And another prayer is,\nayi nanda-tanuja\npatitaṁ kiṅkaraṁ māṁ viṣame bhavāmbudhau\nkṛpayā tava pāda-paṅkaja-\nsthita-dhūlī-sadṛśaṁ vicintaya.\n[Cc. Antya 20.32, Śikṣāṣṭaka 5]\n[“’O My Lord, O Kṛṣṇa, son of Mahārāja Nanda, I am Your eternal servant, but because of My own fruitive acts I have fallen into this horrible ocean of nescience. Now please be causelessly merciful to Me. Consider Me a particle of dust at Your lotus feet.’]\nAnother, that \"You simply fix me up as a dust on Your lotus feet.\" So in one śloka He says, \"You engage me in Your service\"; in another śloka He says, \"You fix me up as the dust of Your lotus...\" What is the difference? There is no difference. [break]",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, we were reading earlier this morning in Bhagavad-gītā on the universal form of Kṛṣṇa, when He revealed Himself to Arjuna, and He said that the celestial beings and devotees and the demons both were fearful of Kṛṣṇa when they saw this universal form. How is it that devotees of Kṛṣṇa, like demigods, can be fearful even if they see Viśvarūpa?",
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"content": "\n Because they cannot love Viśvarūpa. Is that all right? Can you love Viśvarūpa? If Kṛṣṇa comes before you with Viśvarūpa, [laughter] [laughs] you'll forget your love. Don't try to love Viśvarūpa. Love Śyāmasundara, that's all. We have seen Kṛṣṇa in Viśvarūpa during wartime. I remember, I think in 1942, December; date I forget. I was just eating, and there was siren of bombing in Calcutta. You see? So the arrangement was as soon as there will be siren of bombing, the government selected a place, shelter room, that \"This room in your house will be shelter room.\" So we had to go into that shelter room and the bombing began—chiiiii-goww. So we were seeing that Viśvarūpa, you see, at that time.\nSo I was thinking, of course, that this is also Kṛṣṇa's another form. But that form is not very lovable form. [laughter] [laughs] So a devotee in love wants to love Kṛṣṇa in His original form. This Viśvarūpa is not His original form. He can appear in any form. That is His all potency. But this lovable form is Kṛṣṇa, Śyāmasundara.\nSuppose a boy's father is a police officer. So if the father comes as a police officer firing with revolver, even the child will forget loving father. You see? So naturally the child loves father when he's at home just like father. Similarly, we love Kṛṣṇa as He is—Śyāmasundara. The Viśvarūpa was shown to Arjuna to warn the rascal humanity.\nBecause Kṛṣṇa said, \"I am God.\" Imitating Kṛṣṇa, so many rascals declaring that \"I am God.\" Therefore Arjuna said, \"Please show me Your Viśvarūpa,\" so that these rascals may also ask him to show his Viśvarūpa. So \"If you are God, please show me your Viśvarūpa.\" That they cannot.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Should we not be respectful to māyā as the energy of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n If you are respectful to Kṛṣṇa, you are respectful to everyone. That is the qualification of a devotee. You are respectful even to an ant, and what to speak of māyā. Māyā is one of the important energy of Kṛṣṇa. Why should you not respect māyā? That we... Māyā, Durgā, we pray, \"Durgā\"—sṛṣṭi-sthiti-pralaya-sādhana-śaktir ekā chāyeva yasya [Bs. 5.44]—when we pray Durgā, we pray Kṛṣṇa immediately.\n[The external potency Māyā who is of the nature of the shadow of the cit potency, is worshiped by all people as Durgā, the creating, preserving and destroying agency of this mundane world. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda in accordance with whose will Durgā conducts herself.]\nBecause we have to see Kṛṣṇa everywhere. We see the activities of māyā, so we have to see Kṛṣṇa immediately—\"Oh, this māyā is acting so nicely under the direction of Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSo offering to the police officer means offering respect to the government. So long the man is in the office, we offer respect. And without office. A gentleman offers respect either in office or not office. That doesn't matter. But actually if you offer to a policeman, māyā means he is acting as police force. That means you offer to the government, respect to the government. So this is the offering of respect. Govindam ādi-puruṣam.\nsṛṣṭi-sthiti-pralaya-sādhana-śaktir ekā\nchāyeva yasya bhuvanāni vibharti durgā\nicchānurūpam api yasya ca ceṣṭate sā\ngovindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi\n[Bs. 5.44]\n[The external potency Māyā who is of the nature of the shadow of the cit potency, is worshiped by all people as Durgā, the creating, preserving and destroying agency of this mundane world. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda in accordance with whose will Durgā conducts herself.]\nThis Durgā, this material energy, so powerful, it can create, it can annihilate, it can maintain. But she's acting under the direction of Kṛṣṇa. So \"I am offering my respectful obeisances to Govinda, under whose direction she is acting.\" So when you offer respect to māyā means we offer respect to Kṛṣṇa immediately. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Again, Prabhupāda, from the reading this morning...",
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"content": "\n No. No question of morning. All right, you can ask, but the question and answers should be in the reading matter. Otherwise there will be no end of question and answer if you bring all the matters. You see? Anyway, you can finish it. Yes, any question?",
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"content": "\n You mentioned that the gopas, Kṛṣṇa's friends, are playing with Him, and they are said to have done very much pious deeds in their past lives. I understand that they are eternal associates...",
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"content": "\n No. Those are eternal... Some of them are eternal associates, some of them are promoted to that eternal association. Suppose if you go and become an associate, playmate of Kṛṣṇa, so your position also becomes, now, eternally. If simply the eternal associates of Kṛṣṇa can play with Him, not others, then what is the meaning of your becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious? You can become also. How? By pious deeds of many, many lives. You can also become promoted to that position. Kṛta-puṇya-puñjāḥ [SB 10.12.11]. \n[All the boys would be differently engaged. Some boys blew their flutes, and others blew bugles made of horn. Some imitated the buzzing of the bumblebees, and others imitated the voice of the cuckoo. Some boys imitated flying birds by running after the birds' shadows on the ground, some imitated the beautiful movements and attractive postures of the swans, some sat down with the ducks, sitting silently, and others imitated the dancing of the peacocks. Some boys attracted young monkeys in the trees, some jumped into the trees, imitating the monkeys, some made faces as the monkeys were accustomed to do, and others jumped from one branch to another. Some boys went to the waterfalls and crossed over the river, jumping with the frogs, and when they saw their own reflections on the water they would laugh. They would also condemn the sounds of their own echoes. In this way, all the cowherd boys used to play with Kṛṣṇa, who is the source of the Brahman effulgence for jñānīs desiring to merge into that effulgence, who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead for devotees who have accepted eternal servitorship, and who for ordinary persons is but another ordinary child. The cowherd boys, having accumulated the results of pious activities for many lives, were able to associate in this way with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. How can one explain their great fortune?]\nActually in the bhauma Vṛndāvana, in this material world the Vṛndāvana, mostly the associates of Kṛṣṇa are these conditioned living entities who are promoted to that Kṛṣṇa conscious perfection stage. They are first of all allowed to see Kṛṣṇa in the planet where Kṛṣṇa's pastimes is going on. And then they are promoted to the transcendental Vṛndāvana. Therefore it is said in the Bhāgavata: kṛta-puṇya-puñjāḥ. They are all promoted. But even they are promoted, they are now eternal associates. Is it clear? Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nSo? Any other question?",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? Is it possible for one to engage himself in bhakti-yoga without rendering service to Kṛṣṇa? Let's say someone who...",
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"content": "\n Without Kṛṣṇa, where is bhakti?",
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"content": "\n Well, someone is worshiping Lord Buddha or Lord Jesus...",
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"content": "\n That is not bhakti-yoga. Bhakti-yoga is simply in connection with Kṛṣṇa. Bhakti-yoga cannot be applied to anyone, anything else. And how Buddha philosophy can be dovetailed with bhakti-yoga? Bhakti-yoga means to understand God. Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti [Bg. 18.55], you'll find in the Bhagavad-gītā, Eighteenth Chapter.\n[One can understand the Supreme Personality as He is only by devotional service. And when one is in full consciousness of the Supreme Lord by such devotion, he can enter into the kingdom of God.]\nBy bhakti-yoga you can understand Lord, the Supreme Lord, God. But in Buddha philosophy there is no God. That you know? So where is bhakti-yoga?",
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"content": "\n In the case of Christians, some of them worship Jesus Christ.",
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"content": "\n That is bhakti-yoga, because they accept God. Unless you accept God there is no question of bhakti-yoga. So Christian religion is also Vaiṣṇavism, because they accept God. Maybe in the..., some stage different from this. There are different stages of God realization also. The Christian religion says, \"God is great. Accept.\" That is very good.\nBut just how great God is, that you can understand from Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. But there is acceptance that God is great. That is therefore..., that is beginning of bhakti-yoga. You can apply there bhakti-yoga. Even the Muhammadan religion, that is also bhakti-yoga. Any religion where God is the target, that is..., that can be applied in bhakti. But when there is no God, or impersonalism, there is no question of bhakti-yoga.\nBhakti-yoga means bhaja jayukti bhaja-sevayā[?]: service. Service means three things: the servitor, the served and service. One must be present who will accept service; and one must be present to render service; and in the via media, the process of service. So bhakti-yoga means service. If there is nobody to accept the service, then where is the bhakti-yoga? So any philosophy or religious principle where there is no acceptance of God, the Supreme, there is no application of bhakti. \nYes.\nTamāla Kṛṣṇa\n:\n Prabhupāda, I have heard it said that the spiritual master will always come back until his devotee, his disciples, have achieved God realization. Could you explain that?\n Yes. But don't try to take advantage of it. [laughter] Don't try to give trouble to your spiritual master like that. Finish your business in this life. That is especially meant for those who are slack. His devotee, his disciple, should be serious in serving spiritual master. If he is intelligent, he should know that \"Why should I act in such a way that my spiritual master has to take the trouble to reclaim me again? Let my business be finished in this life.\" That should be the right way of thinking. Not that \"Oh, I am sure my spiritual master will come. Let me do all nonsense.\" No.\nSo if you have got any, I mean to say, affection for the spiritual master, then you should finish your business in this life so that he may not come again to reclaim you. Is that all right? Don't take advantage of this business. Rather, be serious to finish your business. That is a fact.\nThere is an instance of Bilvamaṅgala Ṭhākura. Bilvamaṅgala Ṭhākura was, in his previous life, elevated to almost prema-bhakti, highest platform of devotional service. But there is always chance of falldown. So somehow or other he fell down, and next life he was born in a very rich family, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe [Bg. 6.41]. \n[The unsuccessful yogī, after many, many years of enjoyment on the planets of the pious living entities, is born into a family of righteous people, or into a family of rich aristocracy.]\nSo he was born in a rich brāhmaṇa family, but he became..., naturally as rich boys become attached to woman-hunter.\nSo it is said that his spiritual master instructed him through his prostitute. At the right moment, his spiritual master said through that prostitute, \"Oh, you are so much attached with this flesh and bone. If you had been attached so much with Kṛṣṇa, how good you could have achieved.\" Immediately he took to that position.\nSo that responsibility is for the spiritual master. But we should not take advantage of that. That is not very good. We should try: yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ. \n[By the mercy of the spiritual master one receives the benediction of Kṛṣṇa. Without the grace of the spiritual master, one cannot make any advancement. Therefore, I should always remember and praise the spiritual master. At least three times a day I should offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master.]\nWe should not try to put our spiritual master in a position that he has to reclaim me from prostitute's house. But he has to do it. Because he accepts his disciple, he has got the responsibility like that.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda, you said that as long as one is engaging in sex life one cannot become a yogī.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Yet the other day you were extolling the virtues of household life, and you said..., and you named some of the great ācāryas that were householders, and you said that...",
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"content": "\n Yes, that is bhakti-yoga. In this ordinary yoga system, as it will be explained in this chapter, one has to strictly follow the life of celibacy. But in the bhakti-yoga system, the whole idea is that you have to fix up your mind in Kṛṣṇa. So whatever position... Householder life does not mean to indulge in sex enjoyment.\nA householder may have wife, may have sex life, but that is for having children only. That's all. A householder does not mean he gets license to legalize prostitution. That is not householder. Householder can simply have sex life to beget nice child, that's all. No more. That is householder life; completely controlled.\nHouseholder does not mean whenever he has got this machine and he can use it. No. Householders, husband and wife, both Kṛṣṇa conscious, engaged in Kṛṣṇa conscious business, but when they require a child, Kṛṣṇa conscious, that's all. That is also voluntary contraceptive method. One or two or three children, that's all; no more.\nSo householder life does not mean sex life without any restriction. But the... for spiritual life, one who wants to advance in spiritual life, either you accept this bhakti-yoga system or this aṣṭāṅga-yoga system or jñāna-yoga system, sex indulgence unrestricted is never there. Sex indulgence means you have to come back again. If you try to enjoy the senses, that is materialistic way of life.\nMaterialistic way of life is that \"I have got nice senses; let me enjoy the senses to the fullest extent.\" That is materialistic way of life. Just like cats, dogs and hogs. The hogs, whenever they are sexually inclined, they don't care for whether it is his mother or sister or this or that. You see? That is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam: \nnāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke\nkaṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye\n[SB 5.5.1]\n[Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one's heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever.]\nViḍ-bhujām. Viṭ means stool, and bhujām means eater. So the stool-eater's sense gratification is not meant for this human form of life. Stool-eater means these hogs. The hogs' sense gratification is not meant for this human form of life. Restriction. Therefore in the human form of life there is marriage system. Why? What is the marriage and prostitution?\nMarriage system means restricting sex life. Marriage system does not mean that you get a wife—ah, without any payment you go on unrestricted sex life. No. That is not marriage. Marriage means to restrict your sex life. He will hunt for sex life here and there—no, you cannot do that. \"Here is your wife, and that is only for child.\" It is restriction.\nThere are four things. Loke vyavāya 'miṣa mada-sevā nityas tu jantuḥ[?]. Vyavāya, sex life; and meat-eating, āmiṣa. Āmiṣa means eating meat, fish, eggs. So vyavāya means sex. Sex and meat-eating, non-vegetarian diet. Mada-sevā, intoxication. Mithyā sa jantuḥ. Every conditioned soul has natural inclination, pravṛtti. But one has to control that. That is human life. If you put yourself in the waves of natural inclination, that is not human life. You have to restrict. The whole human life is meant for learning restriction. That is human life. That is perfect Vedic civilization.\nTapo divyaṁ yena śuddhyet sattvam [SB 5.5.1]. One has to purify his existence. What is that existence? I am spirit, ever-existing, eternal. Now I have contaminated this matter; therefore I am suffering. So I have to purify. Just like you have to get free from the diseased condition. When you get fever, you take treatment, not unrestricted enjoyment. The doctor says, \"Don't do this, don't do this, don't do this.\"\nSimilarly, this human form of life is to get out of this diseased condition of life having a material body. If we don't restrict, then where is the treatment? Where is the cure? The whole system is restriction, tapo divyam: just to concentrate one's activities in austerities, penances, for transcendental realization. That is human form of life.\nBut there are different orders of social society: brahmacārī, gṛhastha, vānaprastha, sannyāsa. The whole process is to restrict. But gṛhastha, householder, means giving a little license who cannot completely restrict sex life. That's all. Gṛhastha does not mean unrestricted sex life. If you have known this married life like that, that's a wrong conception. You have to control if you want to get out of this diseased condition of life. You cannot get out of disease and unrestrictedly go on enjoying your senses. No. That is not possible.\nYad indriya-prītaya āpṛṇoti na sādhu manye yata ātmano 'yam asann api kleśada āsa dehaḥ [SB 5.5.4]. \n[When a person considers sense gratification the aim of life, he certainly becomes mad after materialistic living and engages in all kinds of sinful activity. He does not know that due to his past misdeeds he has already received a body which, although temporary, is the cause of his misery. Actually the living entity should not have taken on a material body, but he has been awarded the material body for sense gratification. Therefore I think it not befitting an intelligent man to involve himself again in the activities of sense gratification by which he perpetually gets material bodies one after another.]\nThose who are indulging unrestrictedly in sense enjoyment civilization, that is not good, because that will lead him to accept next again this material body—may be human body or animal body or any body. But he has to accept this body. And as soon as you accept this body, then you'll have to undergo the threefold miseries of the body: birth, death, old age, diseases. These are the symptoms of threefold miseries.\nSo people..., one has to understand scientifically these things. But they are neglecting, so therefore continuing suffering. They do not care for suffering also. Just like the animals, they are suffering, but they do not care for it; they forget. So practically this sense gratification civilization means animal civilization. A little polished, that's all.\nViṣṇujana\n:\n Prabhupāda? Is the samādhi which is the perfection of this eightfold yoga system the same as the samādhi of bhakti-yoga?\n Yes. Samādhi means to absorb the mind with Viṣṇu. That is samādhi. So if you absorb your mind with Kṛṣṇa, then it is samādhi.\n[break] Any inquiry? He'll ask. All right.",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī? You said that if you eat too much you will pay. But how about the devotees? How about when they eat too much prasāda?",
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"content": "\n You want to eat more?",
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"content": "\n I just want to know how.",
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"content": "\n You think you are eating more? So you can eat more. Yes, you can eat more. Yes, it is medical advice that there are two kinds of mistakes in eating: over-eating and under-eating. So under-eating mistake for old man is very good. And over-eating mistake for boys, that is good. So you can overeat. I cannot.",
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"content": "\n How about Tamāla and Viṣṇujana? [laughter]",
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"content": "\n He cannot. You can. You can eat as much as you like. Free pass. [laughter] Yes?",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? In the material world there are instruments to measure different kinds of energy. How does one measure..., what kind of instrument, how does he develop it, to measure the spiritual energy?",
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"content": "\n Material energy, your question is, just like energy in electricity?",
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"content": "\n We can measure that with certain instrument. But what is the instrument for measuring Kṛṣṇa's spiritual energy?",
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"content": "\n That instrument you have got: this mṛdaṅga and the cymbal. Just vibrate. It is very simple instrument. The instrument is your tongue. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. You have got the..., everyone has got; you haven't got to purchase. The instrument is your ear. Simply hear vibration. You have got all the instruments with you.\nYou haven't got to purchase or hire from anywhere. You have got the tongue and you have got the ear. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and use this instrument to hear. Finished. All perfection is there. It doesn't require to be educated scientists and philosopher, this or that. Nothing. Simply you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and hear. Everything is there.\nEveryone has got these instruments. You haven't got to pay any tax. You use electrical energy, you have to pay for it. But here you have got everything complete. Pūrṇam idaṁ pūrṇam adaḥ [Īśopaniṣad, Invocation]. \n[The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the Complete Whole is also complete in itself. Because He is the Complete Whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance.]\nEverything created by God is complete. Don't you see this earth? Take the aggregate existence of this earth. It is complete. Now there is sufficient water stock in the sea and oceans. The sunlight is acting, evaporating the water, and it is turned into cloud. Then it is overcast all over the land and there is production. And there is river flowing down. You stock your water tank high, and there are mountain heads, there is stock of water, and all year the river is flowing, supply water.\nDon't you see how nice brain it is? Can you pour water, hundred...? If you want to evaporate hundred gallons of water, you have got to make so many necessary arrangement. And here, millions of tons water is taken away immediately from the ocean and sea and turned into cloud, light cloud, so that it may not fall down immediately. You see? Not like a tank. And it is reserved on the head of the mountain and it is sprayed all over the land. So everything is there. You require water to produce grains, vegetables. So everything is there. Pūrṇam adaḥ pūrṇam idam [Īśopaniṣad, Invocation]. Because it is manufactured by the complete intelligent brain, everything is complete.\nSimilarly, your body is also complete for spiritual realization. You haven't got to search any other external. Simply this yoga system is that, to understand that completeness. Everything is complete. Your foodstuff is complete, your arrangement is complete, your human body is complete. Just you try to utilize it and you become completely liberated from this all pangs of life.\nŚabda [indistinct] vṛtti, the Vedānta-sūtra. Simply by sound vibration one can get liberation. So this śabda, śabda means sound. Śabda [indistinct] vṛtti. You see? So the machine is already with you, everyone. Just utilize it, this simple method: chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and hear. That's all. Yes.",
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"content": "\n What is it..., we misunderstand about Kṛṣṇa's plenary expansion Viṣṇu?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Kṛṣṇa can expand Himself. Just like you are sitting here; you are not in your apartment. Because you are conditioned. When you are in spiritual, liberated, you can also expand. But Kṛṣṇa, because He hasn't got material body, He can expand in million forms. He can sit here, He can sit there. Īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe 'rjuna tiṣṭhati, [Bg. 18.61]\n[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]\nHe's sitting everyone's heart—everyone—by His expansion. Although He is one, He can expand. That is because He is great. Just like the sun is great. Therefore if you at noontime you send telegram to your friend who is five thousand miles away, \"Where is the sun?\" He'll say, \"On my head.\" And you'll see that sun is on your head. Why? Because he is great.\nSo Kṛṣṇa, being great, He can remain everywhere at one time. That is expansion. You take the example. What is sun? That is a minute creation of Kṛṣṇa. If sun can remain on everyone's head simultaneously, although one may be five thousand, ten thousand miles away, Kṛṣṇa cannot remain? Why don't you use your reasoning power? Is the sun greater than Kṛṣṇa? No. Kṛṣṇa can create millions of suns. If sun has got such power, why not Kṛṣṇa? Then you do not understand Kṛṣṇa.\nSo Kṛṣṇa, akhilātma-bhūtaḥ [Bs. 5.37]. \n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, residing in His own realm, Goloka, with Rādhā, resembling His own spiritual figure, the embodiment of the ecstatic potency possessed of the sixty-four artistic activities, in the company of Her confidantes [sakhīs], embodiments of the extensions of Her bodily form, permeated and vitalized by His ever-blissful spiritual rasa.]\nHe can expand. That is, you'll find in the Thirteenth Chapter, that kṣetra-jñaṁ cāpi māṁ viddhi sarva-kṣetreṣu bhārata [Bg. 13.3]. \n[O scion of Bharata, you should understand that I am also the knower in all bodies, and to understand this body and its owner is called knowledge. That is My opinion.]\nKṣetra, kṣetra-jña. Just like you are a spirit soul. You are the proprietor of this body. I am proprietor of this body, you are proprietor of your body. But because I am sitting within this body, but Kṛṣṇa is the proprietor of all bodies because He is sitting everywhere.\nJust like this house may be owned by me or somebody else; that house may be owned by him. But the whole America is owned by the State.\nSimilarly, when there is question of greatness, that is possible, that expansion. And \"Because I cannot expand\"—frog philosophy—\"therefore Kṛṣṇa cannot expand,\" that is nonsense. We are thinking always in terms of my position: \"How it is possible for Kṛṣṇa to expand, because I cannot expand.\" What you are? What is your position? Why do you compare Kṛṣṇa with you? Yes, Kṛṣṇa can expand. So many examples are given. Don't think because you cannot expand, therefore Kṛṣṇa cannot expand. That is the defect of nonsensical philosophy.\nThey formally say, \"God is great.\" But when actually [indistinct] he thinks, \"Oh, how much great He should be? I cannot do this. How Kṛṣṇa can do?\" But formally, \"Oh, God is great.\" They have no idea how far God is great. That we'll find in Bhagavad-gītā. Therefore the superexcellence of this science of God. Akhilātma-bhūtaḥ [Bs. 5.37]. \n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, residing in His own realm, Goloka, with Rādhā, resembling His own spiritual figure, the embodiment of the ecstatic potency possessed of the sixty-four artistic activities, in the company of Her confidantes [sakhīs], embodiments of the extensions of Her bodily form, permeated and vitalized by His ever-blissful spiritual rasa.]\nIf you want to know how God is great, then you have to take reference of this Vedic literature. No other literature.",
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"content": "\n Prabhupāda? We know that His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī always sat very erect, and it is stated here in the Bhagavad-gītā that one should sit erect. Will this aid us in our concentrating on chanting our japa, if we try to concentrate, if we try to sit erect without any [indistinct] while chanting...?",
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"content": "\n\nman-manā bhava mad-bhakto\nmad-yājī māṁ namaskuru\nmām evaiṣyasi kaunteya\nyuktvaivam mat-parāyaṇaḥ\n[Bg 9.34]\n[Engage your mind always in thinking of Me, offer obeisances and worship Me. Being completely absorbed in Me, surely you will come to Me.]\nThis śloka, this verse, we have already finished—the conclusion of the Ninth Chapter of Śrīmad Bhagavad-gītā, that the Lord says that man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ: \"Just always think of Me. Just become My devotee. And if you want to worship, just worship Me.\"",
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"content": "\n Come forward. Yes. And this is the process of devotional service. It is not very difficult. Everyone can execute. To think of God, to offer some obeisances to God and to be..., to serve something, to render some service unto Him, and just to become a party of God. That, just like we identify, everyone identifies as to some party, either politically, socially or religiously, economically. We have got so many fields of activities. But in each and every field, we have got a party feeling. You cannot avoid that.\nIn political field, oh, you have got so many parties. Even in your own country, even there are Democratic party or Conservative party and this party, that party. Now worldwide is also the capitalistic party, the communistic party. In our country also there is Congress party. So party's already there. Socially also, oh, \"You are Christian,\" \"I am Jew,\" \"I am Hindu.\" Of course, this is religiously. And socially also. In India, there is very social party. So you cannot avoid this partyism. All ladies and gentlemen who are present here, I ask you, do you not belong to any party? Can you deny, that \"I don't belong to any party\"? Oh, everyone belongs to some party.\nNow spiritualism, spiritualism means that we should identify ourself as God's party. That's all. That is spiritualism. They ask so many things, that why the materialists are called crazy by the spiritualists? Oh, that is also partyism. These materialist also call, say to the spiritualists, they are crazy. Just like we are, we have formed some Society of Kṛṣṇa Consciousness, and, and those who do not like it, they say we are crazy fellows; we are assembly of crazy fellow. And, similarly, we call others who do not associate with us, they are crazy fellow.\nSo there is, we have written pamphlet, booklet, \"Who is Crazy?\" Now how to decide? You are thinking the Swāmījī and the party, they are crazy. And we are thinking those who are materially engaged, they're crazy. Now how to decide it? Can you suggest any way how to decide it, how, who is crazy? Who will decide it? Everyone, two parties, when there is something in disagreement, the two parties will say that \"You are in wrong,\" the other party will say, \"You are...\" Now who will decide it, that who is wrong? Can you suggest, any one of you, who will decide? The world is going on in partyism, and each opposite party is thinking that the other party is crazy. Now who will decide who is actually crazy? The actual... Then you have come to the point of reason: who is crazy?\nNow just see. Take any common man—not yourself, not myself; any common man—if you ask him that \"What you are?\" he will say... His conception is that \"I am this body.\" Everyone will say. He'll give you some description that \"I am Christian,\" \"I am Hindu,\" or \"I am Mr. Such-and-such,\" \"I am Mrs. Such-and-such.\" Everything, whatever he or she will say, that is all due to this body. All due to this body. Everyone. When you say, \"You are American,\" that means this is this body. Because by accidents, by something, or by some reason, you were born in this land of America.\nThat is also another artificial name. The land is neither America nor India. The land is land. But we give some designation, \"This is America.\" We make some boundaries. \"This is United States of America,\" \"This is Canada,\" \"This is Europe,\" and \"This is Asia,\" \"This is India.\" So this is our name, but actually was there any history that the land is American, or the land...? Say, four hundred years before or five hundred years before, was this land was known as America? You have named it \"America.\" Say, some thousands of years before was this, this, the continent which is known as, I mean, Europe, can you trace out history, that it was known as Europe? They are all designations.\nJust like we can say from historical point of view of Vedic literature, this whole world was known as Ilāvṛta-varṣa. Ilāvṛta-varṣa. And, later on, since the reign of one great king, emperor, his name was Bharata, and he changed the name into his own name, Bhārata-varṣa. So this whole planet was now Bhārata-varṣa. Then, as the days go on, the some part of this world was, I mean to say, separated from the original Bhārata-varṣa, and it was called Europe or some other place. Just like we have got practical experience even in this age that India, say about twenty years before, the area of India was including Burma, Ceylon and the modern Pakistan and everything. Now it is separated. Now they are calling \"This is Pakistan,\" and somebody's calling \"There is Ceylon.\"\nSo this process is going on. Actually the land is neither Bhārata-varṣa nor Asia nor America nor India, but we give this name, according with the change of time, with the change of influence. They are all designations. Fifty years before, when some of you... Of course, not all of you are fifty years old. Say, forty years before, or thirty-five years before, when you were..., or twenty-five years before, when you were not born, can you say what was your designation? Were you American or Indian or Chinese or Russian, can you say? Say, after getting out of this body, do you think that you'll continue as American or Indian or Chinese or Russian? Suppose you are now in America, in the land of America. So next life you may be in China. Who can say?\nBecause we are changing our body. You cannot say that we are not changing our bodies. Can you say that you are not changing your body? Yes, we are changing. When I was born from the mother's womb, my body was so little. Now how I have changed my...? Where is that body? Where is that body when I was a child? Where is that body when I was a boy? Where is that body when I was a young man? I have got my photograph, my studentship. \"Oh, Swāmījī, you were like this?\" Where is that body? Where it has gone?\nSo we are changing, but I am the same man. I am thinking, \"Oh, in my childhood, I was doing like this. Oh, in my youthhood, I was thinking like this. In my boyhood, I did so many things.\" Now where those are days gone? With my body, everything has gone away? It is simply remembrance.\nBut still we are sticking to this body, and, when I ask you or when you ask me, \"What you are?\" I say something in relationship with this body. Are you not crazy? Can you tell, any of you, that you are not crazy? If you, I mean to say, so far your identification is concerned, if you identify with something which you are not, then are you not crazy? Are you not crazy?\nSo everyone who identifies with this body, he's a crazy man. He's a crazy man. It is a challenge to the world. Anyone who claims God's property, God's land, God's earth as own property, he's a crazy man. This is a challenge. Let anyone establish that this is his property, this is his body. You are simply, by nature you are, by the pricks of nature, you are put into some place, you are put under some body, you are put under some consciousness, and you are dictated by the laws of nature. And you are mad after that.\nSo everyone,\nprakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni\nguṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ\nahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā\nkartāham iti manyate\n[Bg 3.27]\n[The bewildered spirit soul, under the influence of the three modes of material nature, thinks himself to be the doer of activities, which are in actuality carried out by nature.]\nPrakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni. Everyone is being pulled by the ear, just like a teacher takes to pull the ear of a student, and does like this. Similarly, we, every one of us under the complete clutches of the material nature, and we are being put, sometimes this body, sometimes that body. Now, fortunately, you have got human form of body. Oh, but don't you see there are so many bodies? So many bodies. There are 8,400,000's of bodies and, by the laws of nature, by the pricks of nature, you can be put into any kind of body according to your work.\nSo you are completely under the grip of nature. This time, fortunately or unfortunately, I have got this human form of life, but next time I may get the body of a dog or the body of a god. That will depend on my work. But the laws of nature is working. The laws of nature, or the material nature, is forcing me that \"You accept it.\" You cannot say that \"After my death, let me have my birth in America.\" Oh, how can you say? You are not authority. You are not authority.\nSo this is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:\nprakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni\nguṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ\nahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā\nkartāham iti manyate\n[Bg 3.27]\nEverything is being conducted by the supreme laws of nature, but the foolish man thinks that \"I am something. I am independent.\" This is foolishness. Ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā. Ahaṅkāra, this false egoism—ahaṅkāra means false egoism. What is that false egoism? That I am not this body, and I think I am this body. This is called false egoism. Therefore Śaṅkarācārya, I mean to say, he preached his mission that \"You are not this body. You are spirit soul.\" Ahaṁ brahmāsmi. Ahaṁ brahmāsmi. Now, still, when we try to realize ourself, self-realization, there also foolishness, or the dictation of the māyā, or illusory energy, continues.\nWhat is that? Somebody's trying to realize his self: \"I am not this body.\" He understands that \"I am not this body. I am spirit soul.\" Then? If you are spirit soul, then what is your position? Oh, void. Impersonal. Spirit soul, that means voidness? Oh, there is nothing after finishing this body? This voidness? There are philosophers who preach voidness: \"After this finishing this body, there is nothing.\" And other philosophers, impersonalists, they say that as soon as this body is finished, my personal identity is finished. Do you think like that? Is it possible?\nSo long I am in this body, this body is not actual \"I am.\" It is just like a vehicle. Just like you are sitting in a car. The car is moving according to your desire, not that the car is moving independently. So when you are in the car, so you are moving the car according to your desire, right or left, or this road or that road. Suppose, if you are out of the car, do you think that your personality is gone? Is it any reason?\nSo this body is just like a car. It is said in the Bhagavad-gītā, bhrāmayan sarva-bhūtāni yantrārūḍhāni māyayā [Bg 18.61]. \n[The Supreme Lord is situated in everyone's heart, O Arjuna, and is directing the wanderings of all living entities, who are seated as on a machine, made of the material energy.]\nMāyā has placed you in this car because you wanted this sort of car. Just like you have got in your practical experience, somebody has got better car; somebody has got, I mean to say, inferior car; somebody has got trucks. But they're moving. Similarly, these different bodies, they are like cars, and they are moving. Now suppose you are out of the car, either from the truck or from the Rolls Royce car or Chevrolet car or Ford car, do you think that your personality is finished? Because you are out of the car? Then how can you say that when you are out of this body, your personality is finished? What is your reason?\nSo this is another craziness. Just see how craziness follows. Void. Why void? I am so much intelligent. I am doing... I am planning so many. Because my body is finished, therefore everything becomes void? This void philosophy was contradicted by this philo... There is no void. There is spirit. Now, if that spirit, when one comes to that spiritual self-realization, out of this body, when..., if he's still further advanced in spiritual knowledge, then he'll seek, \"What is my spiritual duty? What is my spiritual work?\" That is sanity. \"What is my spiritual work?\" Sanity, that is sanity.\nI cannot be void. I cannot lose my individuality and personality. That is nonsense. How can I? So long I am sitting in this body... Or take this same crude example: So long I am sitting on the car, I am displaying so much individuality and so much discrimination. As soon as there is red signal, I stop my car. There is blue signal, green signal, I start my car. I'm using my consciousness. I'm working. And simply by getting down from the car I lose everything? I become void? What is this nonsense?\nNo. There is neither voidness, nor impersonalism. The Bhagavad-gītā does not agree to that. In the Second Chapter you have read it that Kṛṣṇa, Lord Kṛṣṇa, says that \"Arjuna, Myself, yourself and all these persons who have come here to fight with one another, they were individual self before, they are individual self now, and they will continue to be individual self in the future. So don't be mad that you shall not fight. Their, I mean to say, identity, spiritual identity, will continue.\" And to make you understand, a very simple example was set before Arjuna that,\ndehino 'smin yathā dehe\nkaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā\ntathā dehāntara-prāptir\ndhīras tatra na muhyati\n[Bg 2.13]\n[As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.]\n\"My dear Arjuna, just like the living spark, the living self, is within this body from the womb of the mother, it is developing when, after the father's-mother's combination, there is a form of body just like a pea, and then that pealike form develops within the womb of the mother. And after ten months, there is no more space in the womb of the mother, so the child comes out and again grows. So the growth of the body is going on, or the change of the body is going on.\"\nDehino 'smin yathā dehe [Bg 2.13]. Dehe means in this body, and dehī means the person who is within this body, he is there, from that pealike form. Because my form, my measurement, is so small that we cannot see. It is not possible. It is ten-thousand..., one ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair. It is so small. So with our material eyes, or our material conception, we cannot see the soul. But the soul is there, and the proof is, evidence is, because the soul is there, therefore the pealike form, material body, is growing.\nWherever there is growth... There are six symptoms of presentation of..., presence of the soul. Growth is one of the important. So growth. As soon as the soul is out of this body, no more growth. If the child comes dead, oh, there will be no growth. Oh, the parents will say, \"It is useless. Throw it.\" So similarly, Lord Kṛṣṇa gave this first example to Arjuna that \"Don't think that the spiritual spark which is within the body, due to whose presence the body is growing from childhood to boyhood, boyhood to youthhood, from youthhood to old age... So therefore, when this body becomes useless, imperceptibly, the soul gives up this body.\" Vāsāṁsi jīrṇāni yathā vihāya [Bg 2.22].\n[As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, similarly, the soul accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.]\nJust like we give up old dress and take another, new dress, similarly, we accept another body.\nAnd we accept that another body not according to my selection. That selection depends on the law of nature. That selection depends on law of nature. You cannot say at the time of death, but you can think of. You can say that, I mean to say, individuality and that selection is all there. Yaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran loke tyajaty ante kalevaram [Bg 8.6].\n[Whatever state of being one remembers when he quits his body, that state he will attain without fail.]\nJust at the time of your death, your mentality, as your thoughts will develop, you'll get the next birth according to that body. So the intelligent man who is not crazy, he should understand that \"I am not this body.\" First thing. \"I am not this body.\" Then he'll understand that what is his duty. Oh, as spirit soul, what is his duty? His duty is, that is stated in this Bhagavad-gītā in the last verse of the Ninth Chapter, that duty is man-manā bhava. You are thinking of something. Every one of us, embodied, we think something. Without thinking, for a moment you cannot stay. That is not possible. So this is the duty. You think of Kṛṣṇa. You think of Kṛṣṇa. You'll have to think something. So what is the harm if you think of Kṛṣṇa?\nKṛṣṇa has got so many activities, so many literature, and so many things. Kṛṣṇa comes here. We have got volumes and volumes of books. If you want to think of Kṛṣṇa, we can supply you so many literature that you cannot finish with your whole life if you twenty-four hours read. So thinking of Kṛṣṇa, there is sufficient. Think of Kṛṣṇa. Man-manā bhava. \"Oh, I can think of You.\"\nJust like a person who is serving some boss. Oh, he's always thinking of that boss: \"Oh, I have to attend there at nine o'clock, or that boss will be displeased.\" He's thinking for some purpose. That sort of thinking will not do. Then therefore He says, bhava mad-bhaktaḥ: \"You just think of Me with love.\" When the master, when the, I mean to, when the servant thinks of the master, there is no love. He's thinking for pound-shilling-pence. Because, \"If I do not attend my office just at nine o'clock, oh, there will be late, and I shall lose two dollars.\" Therefore he's thinking of, not of the master, he's thinking of that pound-shilling-pence.\nSo that sort of thinking will not save you. Therefore He says, bhava mad-bhaktaḥ: \"You just become My devotee. Then your thinking of Me will be nice.\" And what is that bhakti, mad-bhaktaḥ? Devotional... Devotion means service. Mad-yājī. You render some service to the Lord. Just like we are engaged here always. Whenever you come, you will find us engaged in some duties. We have manufactured some duties, just to think of Kṛṣṇa only.\nTherefore our Society's name is Kṛṣṇa Consciousness, Society for Kṛṣṇa Consciousness. We have got so many literature. Each and every boy is engaged. Somebody's printing, somebody's writing, somebody's typewriting, somebody's dispatching, somebody's attending letter, somebody's cooking. Twenty-four hours, we are thinking of Kṛṣṇa. How? Because we are engaged in the duties of Kṛṣṇa.\nSo mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru. And what is that duty if you have no obedience? You have to obey. Therefore it is said namaskuru. You offer your respect. So bhakti minus respect, that is not bhakti. With love, with respect, with designated duties, if you be engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then your life will be successful. Not identifying falsely with this material body and engage yourself with all sorts of nonsense. That will never make you happy.\nThe same thing, that... Therefore what is the difference between materialism and spiritualism? The same typewriter is there. The same Dictaphone is there. The same mimeograph machine is there. The same paper is there. Same, I mean, ink is there. The same hand is there. Everything is same, but everything is done for Kṛṣṇa's account. That's all, Kṛṣṇa's account. This is spiritualism. Don't think spiritualism something uncommon. You can turn the whole material world into spiritualism if you simply become Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is spiritualism.\nThank you very much. [end]",
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"content": "\nIs there any necessity of being seated in the position we are now here? That must be a simple question for them, if one doesn't know how to act, because…",
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"content": "\nIs there necessity…?",
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"content": "\nTo be…, as we sitting in this manner.",
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"content": "\nNo, no, no, no.",
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"content": "\n To be situated [indistinct].\nBefore I...",
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"content": "\nSit in certain posture?",
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"content": "\n Yeah.",
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"content": "\nThere is necessity to sit down in a certain posture? You ask like this?",
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"content": "\nSo…",
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"content": "\nSo there's no rules governing that?",
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"content": "\nI see. When we are going to live today in the present world, we are having people who are having… I mean, we, we are told adultery is bad. Isn't it?\n Adultery?\nThat for me, adultery.\nAdultery.",
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"content": "\nYes. Adultery is...",
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"content": "\nAdultery—is that sex out of marriage?\nYes.",
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"content": "\nAnd we are also told by…, other people mention from the world that you should never divorce except on the account of adultery. Those are two questions. Third question is the present birth control that is being practiced, if it is good—to practice birth control as far as the Kṛṣṇa society is concerned.",
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"content": "\nKṛṣṇa society prohibits illicit sex. Illicit sex.",
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"content": "\nAnd in the Bhagavad-gītā it is said that dharmāviruddho kāmo 'smi [Bg. 7.11]. Kāma, lust, sex desire. Kṛṣṇa says that sex desire, which is not against the religious principles. \"That I am.\" Dharmāviruddho kāmo 'smi. \nHow to realize Kṛṣṇa? In the every step of life you can realize God, provided you practice it. That is called bhakti-yoga; that is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just like Kṛṣṇa says that raso 'ham apsu kaunteya [Bg. 7.8], \"I am the taste of the water.\" So everyone drinks water and feels satisfaction. When he is thirsty and he drinks water, he becomes satisfied with the taste of the water. So Kṛṣṇa says, \"I am the taste.\" So how one can say that \"I do not know God. I have not seen God. I have no experience of God\"? God says, \"Here is, I am.\"\nSimilarly, He says that prabhāsmi śaśi-sūryayoḥ [Bg. 7.8]: \"I am the shining of the sun, of the moon.\" So who has not seen the shining of the sun or the moon? Everyone has seen. So how do they say that \"Can you show me God?\" Why don't you see God here? Why don't you see God in the taste of water? Why don't you see God in the sun shining. Why don't you see God in moonshine? Similarly, Kṛṣṇa says, dharmāviruddho kāmo 'smi [Bg. 7.11]: the lust, in the lust desire, there is also God. So what is that? What kind of lust? Dharmāviruddho: which is not against religious principles.\nSo this sex life is not denied, because eating, sleeping, mating and defending, that is the necessity of the body. You cannot stop it. So there is concession that you can have sex life only for begetting children—for no other purpose. If you use sex life for any other purpose, that is against religious principles. There are other rules and regulations—that you can have sex with your wife five days after menstrual period, and if she is pregnant, then you cannot have sex life. So if you have sex life more that this, that is against religious principles. And if you become against religious principles, then you become sinful. And if you become sinful, then you cannot make progress towards God-realization.\nBecause sinful man cannot make progress in God-realization. As it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ [Bg. 7.28]. One who has finished his business in sinful activities, janānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām—that simply they are engaged in pious activities—such persons, dvandva-moha-nirmuktā, becomes delivered from all dualities, and dvandva-moha, bhajante māṁ dṛḍha-vratāḥ, then become perfect devotee.\nSo all these restrictions—illicit sex life, gambling, meat-eating, intoxication—are prohibited just to give you protection from sinful life. Because if you remain sinful, then you cannot make progress in God-realization. Therefore these restrictions are there, no adultery. In one word, no illicit sex. Even if you have sex life with your wife beyond that limit—only once in a month after menstrual period, five days—that is also illicit sex. Illicit sex. So because the basic principle is that if you become more and more materially attached, then you cannot become free from this material bondage.\nOur present problem is that we are bound up by the material laws, guṇamayī māyā. We are strictly bound up. Just like even in your ordinary dealings, suppose if you eat more, oh, then immediately there will be indigestion. Suppose salt—salt is very important item for our eating—but if salt is put more in the vegetable, you cannot take it. And if there is no salt, oh, you cannot take it, oh \"Give a little salt.\" So we have to take salt exactly to the amount which is necessity, nothing more, nothing less. That is nature's law. So if you violate nature's law, then you become immediately entrapped. Therefore these things are prohibited if you really require liberation.\nBut people do not understand that \"I am in a very miserable condition of life.\" That is māyā. Just like Mr. Patel was complaining of so many things, \"I am in a miserable condition of life.\" So we are entrapped by these material laws, and beyond this material life there is another life. That you do not know. And human life is meant for becoming prepared to go back to that life, because we are eternal.",
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"content": "\nEternal life.",
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"content": "\nYes. Eternal life. We are eternal, but at the present moment we have no eternal life.",
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"content": "\nWhat is that eternal life? Would you [indistinct] for me?",
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"content": "\nEternal life means that there is no birth, death, disease and old age. That is eternal life.",
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"content": "\nWhen is that going to be?",
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"content": "\nWhen you come to the spiritual platform, that is possible.",
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"content": "\nIs there any eternal life, other life, than the one we have at the moment...",
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"content": "\nYes. There is.",
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"content": "\n…which is more supernatural?",
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"content": "\nYes. Supernatural. Yes. That is…",
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"content": "\nWill that be in a gathering of people where people would be living together?",
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"content": "\nOh, yes. There are many people. Here in this non-eternal life only a fragmental portion of the living entities—fragmental portion. All the living entities within this universe… This is one universe. There are unlimited, innumerable universes.\nJust like you will see innumerable planets within this one universe, similarly, there are innumerable universes—innumerable suns, moons and other planets—and all of them combined together, that is the one-fourth manifestation of God creation. That is stated: ekāṁśena sthito jagat [Bg. 10.42].",
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"content": "\nSo this is the conclusive evidence that there will be…, the so-called, the system of faith that is God, who brings men to the world, is it? And then you go to the new world? Is that what it means? The supernatural life for which I think one would not attain in the present world…",
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"content": "\nAs you are combination… Just try to understand. You are combination of matter and spirit. You are talking with me. You are thinking that you are talking with your tongue or with your intelligence, with your brain, but one thing is there. As soon as that spirit soul is gone from you, the tongue will remain there, the brain substance will remain there, but no more talking. If you are thinking that the tongue is talking, the brain is talking, that is mistake. The soul is talking through the instrument of the tongue and brain.\nSo these instruments are material; therefore they are temporary. Anything material is temporary. The material law is that anything is born and manufactured at a certain date, it remains for some time, then there are some by-products, then there is deterioration, then it is finished. This is the material world. So you have got a body, material body, which is born at a certain date. It will continue to a certain date. It will expand, it will give some by-products, then it will be old or deteriorate, and then it will be finished. And I am identifying with this body; therefore I am thinking that I am also finished with this body. But I am not finished.",
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"content": "\nSo life is the by-product of an individual?",
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"content": "\nEh?",
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"content": "\nSo it means life is a by-product…",
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"content": "\nLife is… At present moment we have got a short duration of life to fulfill a certain program. That's all. That is called karma. And when this body is finished, then you begin another chapter. That chapter may be very good or very bad, because good and bad, both things are there in the material world. There are 8,400,000's forms of life.\nJust like we are a human being, but your form of life is different from his form of life; his form of life is different from his form of life. Why? Because according to my desire and karma I have got a particular type of body. Similarly, in this life also, according to the particular type of work and mentality and everything, you will get another body.\nBut all these lives are temporary—for a few years. That is our material condition. Everyone likes to have a permanent settlement; that is inner dictation. But nature will not allow. That is nature's law. Therefore the solution of problems means how to get out of the clutches of the material laws and come to the spiritual platform. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti [Bg. 4.9]. So we are giving people the clue to understand the value of this life and prepare oneself in this life, so that next life we can get permanent life. That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.",
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"content": "\nThat is why one should do good things.",
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"content": "\nYes, definitely. If you want to be cured… Just like if you are diseased, if you want to be cured, the physician gives you prescription, something do's and something do not's—\"Do not this,\" and \"Do this\"—if you are serious about curing a disease. Similarly, if you want to cure your this material disease—material disease means birth, death, old age and disease—then you have to accept some regulative life, some do's and some do not's.\nJust like we are prescribing, very simple, these students, that \"You chant sixteen rounds; that's minimum—at least sixteen rounds, Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" It is not difficult. And you do not: don't have illicit sex life, don't have intoxication, don't have meat-eating, don't do gambling. So these are the five regulative…, four regulative principles, and chant. Very simple. Anyone can do it. So these boys and girls, they are Europeans, Americans; from their birth they are habituated to these habits. But they have stopped, and they are not unhappy.\nSo our program is only very simple, but improvement is very quick and evident—that you can see. What do you think, Mr. Patel? The improvement, the world is astonished. The Americans are asking them, \"Are you Americans?\" They could not imagine. Even the government, they are asking, \"How you have stopped intoxication? We are spending so much money for stopping intoxication, LSD.\" But they have given up. As soon as they come to be initiated, entering. I say, \"Stop this,\" immediately they stop. How they can stop?",
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"content": "\nBut there are people who don't take the intoxicants, neither do they smoke, neither do they do all sort of bad things, but still they follow [indistinct]. No sex—that they follow. Where do those people stand?",
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"content": "\nYou see, I said there are some do not's and several do's—so they are following both. The do's they are also following. They are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. That will give you protection. Simply negating will not do. Just like a child, if you say, \"Don't play,\" now, he can stop for some time, but if you don't give him some engagement and education then he will create mischief. Similarly, simply do not's will not help. You have to accept do's also; then your life will be successful. They have accepted more do not's than the do's.\nSo anyone who takes up this training and then he becomes purified, and as soon as he becomes purified he will successfully goes back to home, back to Godhead. You have to change your body, that's a fact, or you have to die. So after death we have got a program: home, very nice home. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]: one does not come back to take birth in this material world. Then where does he go? As the atheist philosopher says, that after the destruction of this body, is everything finished? No. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti mām eti: \"He comes to Me.\"",
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"content": "\nIs it that all material things has got a beginning and an end, isn't it?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nNow, it means our world is material, so—[indistinct].",
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"content": "\nYes, this world will all finish.",
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"content": "\nEverything will eventually end.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nAnd where shall we be, all the living creatures, then?",
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"content": "\nAt that time?",
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"content": "\nThe material world is finished.",
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"content": "\nYes. That is stated: prakṛtiṁ yānti māmikām [Bg. 9.7]. Just like you are, when you are dead, your body is dead, then where do you live? You get another body. But not that immediately you get another body.",
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"content": "\nImmediately.",
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"content": "\nNo, no. After end of this body you get another body.",
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"content": "\nAfter how long?",
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"content": "\nTherefore I said after how long, how? So the intermediate period you live somewhere—that you live in the womb of your mother, next body. Death means seven months, dreaming[?]. That is death.",
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"content": "\nAh. I have proof that there is a country called America already, and I have proof there is place known as India, because some patients[?] have gone to India and back here. So they are mean the truth, to us, India. And there are those that have gone to America and Britain—to Britain, the United Kingdom—and they have already come back here to confirm to us that there is such a place called [indistinct]. Has it ever been proved by any people…",
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"content": "\nOh, yes. Many, many times.",
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"content": "\n …that people are given new bodies and they come to the world and live?",
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"content": "\nOh, yes. Many. Therefore you accept the statement of the authorities. Just like Kṛṣṇa says. Kṛṣṇa says in the Fourth Chapter in Bhagavad-gītā, you'll see, Kṛṣṇa says that \"This system of yoga, first of all I explained to the sun-god.\"\nimaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ\nproktavān aham avyayam\n[Bg. 4.1]\nSo Arjuna inquired that \"Kṛṣṇa, You are born with me, You are contemporary, of the same age. How can I believe that You instructed this yoga system to the sun-god that lives in the some millions of years ago?\" So Kṛṣṇa answered that \"Both you and Me had many births, many births, but you have forgotten; I remember.\"\nThat is the difference between God and ordinary humans. We may forget, but God does not forget, or very highly elevated devotees of God, they also do not forget. So we get information from such persons: God, Nārada Muni, Vyāsadeva, Asita—many. There are many. We get information from them. Just like you get any information. Suppose people are going to the moon planet. You read in the papers, \"The American scientists, they have gone to the moon planet.\" So you believe it. Is it not? But you did not go there personally; how do you believe it?",
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"content": "\nBecause they have been there and they can tell.",
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"content": "\nTherefore. Kṛṣṇa is personally telling, Nārada is personally telling. Where have got experience.",
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"content": "\nKṛṣṇa died in [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nYes… Nobody dies. You do not die, I do not die, Kṛṣṇa do not die—nobody dies. But you don't remember; Kṛṣṇa remembers. That's all.",
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"content": "\nHe died, and then He was born again.",
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"content": "\nNobody dies. Why do you say \"die\"? I say nobody dies.",
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"content": "\nWhat happens?",
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"content": "\nChange body. Nobody dies. First of all try to understand this. Just like if you change your this coat. Does it mean that you die? You may appear next day with another coat. You do not die. Just like in this life you had a body of childhood body, you had the body like a boy, you had a body like a... So you remember all these things, but \"Yes, I had this body.\" So that body has gone, but you are still there.",
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"content": "\nHow many times does one die? How many times does one…?",
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"content": "\nUnless he goes back to… Unless he becomes liberated, goes back to home, back to Godhead, he has to die, take birth, repeatedly.",
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"content": "\nSo you can go… Do you know the Christians?",
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"content": "\nDon't bring in Christian and Hindu. Talk of philosophy. We are talking of philosophy.",
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"content": "\nNo, you see, it is a fact that I am dragging up, when I say \"Do you know them?\" I know that you've heard of them, even if you have never associated with them. But they say that there is a place called the paradise. I never seen the place; nobody has ever seen the place.",
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"content": "\nSo how do they say?",
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"content": "\nThey say the world will end.",
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"content": "\nTherefore how do they say?",
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"content": "\nUnless people will be taken somewhere else.",
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"content": "\nThat's all right. How do they say? How…? You believe them?",
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"content": "\nThey say it.",
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"content": "\nBut they say, but you believe them?",
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"content": "\nWell, that was the only form of worshiping that we had.",
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"content": "\nThat's all right. If it is stated in Christian religion like that, where do they take the authority for such statement?",
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"content": "\nWhere do they get…?",
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"content": "\nJust like, the same instance: just like you believe that the Americans or the Russians went to this moon planet. So how do you believe it?",
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"content": "\nI believe because somebody went there and back.",
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"content": "\nThat somebody you have not met. That is a scientist; it is stated in the paper. That means by the statement of the paper you believe it, because you take the paper as authority. Is it not?",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nYou did not go, but you read in the paper, and you take the authority of the paper; therefore you believe it.",
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"content": "\nI believe through the paper.",
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"content": "\nYes. Similarly, we believe from the Vedas.",
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"content": "\nNow we also believe in this through the paper.",
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"content": "\nThat's all right. You believe through the papers; we believe through the Vedic knowledge.",
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"content": "\nVedas.\nScripture\nVeda.\nFaith.\nNo, no. Veda.",
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"content": "\nVeda, the original book of knowledge. Veda means the original book of knowledge.",
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"content": "\nHave you seen this Vedic House? Vedic House, next to Barclays Bank? There is a Vedic House, v-e-d-i-c, Vedic House. It is from that word, you know, v-e-d-a. Veda means knowledge.\nOh, I see.",
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"content": "\nThere is authoritative Vedas that is coming, time immemorial, and the system of Vedic civilization is that if it is stated in the Vedas, we accept it. That is truth. Śruti-pramāṇa. It is called śruti. Vedas' another name is śruti. Śruti. So śruti-pramāṇa. Whenever we require any evidence, if it is stated in the Vedas… That example I have given several times, those who are followers of Vedas, just like cow dung. Cow dung. You understand cow dung?",
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"content": "\nCow dan?",
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"content": "\nCow dung!",
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"content": "\n [translates]\nCow dung. Yes.",
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"content": "\nThat is the stool of an animal. In the Vedas you will find that if you touch the stool of an animal, you become impure. Immediately you should wash. The Hindus, the Vedic followers, they do it—as soon as they touch even his own stool, goes to the toilet. And because the stool is already there in the belly, in the abdomen, but as soon as it comes out I become impure. That is Vedic system. You cannot argue. The stool is already there in the abdomen, and if it has come out, so how I become impure? But Vedas say, \"Yes, you become impure. You immediately take your bath and wash your cloth.\" So the Vedic Indians, they are following.\nSimilarly, again the Veda says that if you touch the stool of the cow you become pure. Now you can argue, \"How is that? Once you said that if you touch the stool of an animal—human being is also animal—you become impure. Then how you say that cow dung is pure? It is speculative[?] contradiction.\"\nBut all Hindus, they take cow dung as pure. In the morning they'll bring cow dung and put with water and smear all over the houses, and you will find practically it starts... Mopping with cow dung is there, even if it is very filthy place, immediately you will find refreshing. Immediately. In the village they haven't got big houses like this. They have got, I mean to say, huts, but the cleanliness is with cow dung. Is it not?",
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"content": "\n True, yes.",
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"content": "\nSo this cow dung is the stool of an animal. You can argue that \"When I touch my own stool I become impure; now you say the stool of an animal, cow, that is pure?\" That's a fact. We can see practically. Therefore if you want to make research, you can go on, but if you take directly knowledge from Vedas you save time. You get the thing immediately. That is Vedic knowledge.\nTherefore the Vedic civilization is that whatever I say, if it is confirmed by the Vedic statement, then my word is perfect. I don't require to make research. That is the Vedic system. [indistinct] Veda, Danur Veda, Yajur Veda, so many Vedas. Vedas mean knowledge, perfect knowledge. Therefore Vedic followers. What is that? Vedic House?",
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"content": "\nIt's the property of Ārya-samāj.",
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"content": "\nMaybe. But the word is Vedic. So Vedic knowledge is perfect. But unfortunately we interpret Vedic knowledge. That is nonsense. If we interpret, then what is the authority of Vedas? If you want to take Vedic version by checking with your imperfect knowledge or senses, then that Vedic knowledge becomes subservient to your test. That is nonsense. Therefore we, we do not change a single word. We take it as it is. That is accepted.\nThe same example: Vedas says the cow dung is pure—we take it immediately, without any argument. We don't argue. What is the use of argument? It is confirmed. Vedic knowledge is perfect; whatever knowledge is given there, that is perfect, so why shall I argue? If I argue, then where is the perfection? If Vedic knowledge is depending on my test, then where is the authority? I am an imperfect person, and if Vedas have to be accepted by my imperfect test, then what is the authority of Vedas?",
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"content": "\nBut then, Swāmījī, those who are ignorant, to them the question should be raised.",
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"content": "\nThe ignorant… Veda is for the ignorant. Because we are ignorant, therefore we have to take shelter of the Vedic knowledge. That is Vedic injunction: tad vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. Just like you go to school, you take the assistance of a teacher and become educated. Similarly, you have to take the knowledge, Vedic knowledge, from the real person who has learned Vedas by the disciplic succession. That is the way. You cannot interpret. Just like we are preaching. What we are preaching? The same way, the Vedic knowledge. Kṛṣṇa says—Bhagavad-gītā is Vedic knowledge—so Kṛṣṇa says,\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁśaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\nSo what is our business? Our business is to speak the same thing. We are teaching, or propagating, asking people that \"You take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Just surrender to Kṛṣṇa.\"\nSo we have no difficulty. But because we are speaking the same truth as it is in the Bhagavad-gītā, it has become successful. That's [indistinct]. I have not manufactured anything. What is this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra? Everyone knows Hare Kṛṣṇa. But I am preaching them properly, it has became success. Just see. Within four and five years it has spread all over the world. So only technique is that I am not adulterating it. That is my credit. That's all.\nAnd what is that credit? It is very easy. Kṛṣṇa says,\nsarva-dharmān parityajya\nmām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja\n[Bg. 18.66]\nI say to my disciples, \"Here is Kṛṣṇa. He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Just surrender, and your life is successful,\" and they are doing that. There is nothing difficult; simply you have to take as it is. That is the authority of Vedas. As soon as you interpret, you become rascal, immediately. Then there is no effect.\nJust like if a doctor says, \"Take this medicine in such-and-such dose,\" and if you say, \"No, let me add something,\" it will not be effective. The same way, just like I have said, you can take salt in such proportion. You cannot take more; you cannot take less. This is Vedic knowledge. You cannot interpret a single word. You have to take it as it is; then it will be effective. And it is practically being done. I am very careful not to adulterate, and that it is effective.\nThey are also following my instruction as it is in the Vedas. Kṛṣṇa says, yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ [Bg. 7.28]. So these four pillars of pāpaṁ, sinful life, I say, \"Don't do this,\" then they are following. I say, \"Chant\"; the Veda says,\nharer nāma harer nāma\nharer nāmaiva kevalam\nkalau nāsty eva nāsty eva\nnāsty eva gatir anyathā\n[Cc. Ādi 17.21]\nI say, \"Oh, you must chant. It is the injunction.\" That is the relationship between the spiritual master, ācārya, and the disciple. Ācārya must know what is there in the Vedic śāstra, and he must personally accept it and teach to his disciples. If that is done, the work is done.\nSo if the ācārya is adulterated, if the student is adulterated, then it will not take place. So strictly, no other version; then you will find it effective, immediately. Just like a woman and man, sexual intercourse. If the man is powerful, he has got real strength, there is pregnancy. And if the woman is not [indistinct], there is pregnancy.\nSimilarly, if the student and the master is pure and his instruction is pure, then there will be effect. There is no jugglery or magic. They say, \"Swāmījī, you have done magic,\" but I have not done anything magic. My magic is that I am presenting things as it is, and they are being accepted as it is, and it is being effective. There is no secret; it is open secret. Simply you have to take strictly, according to the principles. Then it will be effective.",
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"content": "\nAnd therefore there is no question about the result?",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nYes, that is Vedic knowledge. In Āyurveda, Āyurveda also, that I have [indistinct] studied, the system is that their basic principle of treatment is three elements: kapha, pitta, vāyu. The…, within this body, these things are working. When they are working in parallel line, in order, there is no disease; there cannot be any disease—neutral state.\nAs soon as kapha, pitta, vāyu becomes increased, one's balance, then there are diseases. So that can be understood, that their only technique is to study this pulse-beating. Therefore symptoms. If the pulse is beating like this, then it is due to increase of kapha; if the pulse is beating like this... That is their science.\nSo even in these days if you go to an experienced Āyurvedic physician, he will take half an hour at least to study how your pulse is beating. Nari-jña[?] it is called. And immediately he gives the pulse-beating to a formula. The formula: if the pulse is beating like this, then this is the disease, and this is the symptom. So immediately, according to that formula, he asks, \"Do you get the symptom?\" \"Yes.\" \"Do you get this? You do not like this?\" \"Yes.\" That is kapha. And immediately medicine is ready. For this symptom, this medicine give him. That is Āyurvedic system.\nSo in Āyurvedic system there is no experiment, there is no dissection, you see? There is no irregularities or blind [indistinct], so many [indistinct], experiment. Simply external. There is no big studies. And here, how the matter is simplified: simply you try to study the pulse-beating, and the symptoms are stated in this... Similarly, you are doing this[?].\nBut we understand from the Vedic knowledge that anyone who is sinfully attracted, he cannot have any God-realization. So how do you make him [indistinct]? Veda says, striyaḥ sūnā pāna dyūta yatrā pāpaś catur-vidhaḥ [SB 1.17.38]. Sinful life means these four things: illicit sex-life, intoxication, meat-eating and gambling. Yatra pāpaś catur-vidhā. \nThese four kinds of sinful life is the pillars of all sinful life, and if you make a study that all sinful activities are going on on these four pillars: illicit sex life, gambling, meat-eating and intoxication. When you become too much intoxicated, habituated to intoxicants, you don't, I mean to say, fear to become a thief, steal others' property. More and more you become implicated. The beginning is these things. So if you avoid these, then your sinful life is stopped, and as soon as your sinful life is stopped, you can realize God, yeṣāṁ tv anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ [Bg. 7.28].\nSo we have got very simple formula in the Vedic knowledge. People should simply agree to accept this; then their life is successful. That's all. But they do not agree, what can I do? So our business is...",
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"content": "\nHuh?",
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"content": "\nThey recall their difficulty.",
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"content": "\nThere is nothing difficult.",
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"content": "\nThose who are...",
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"content": "\nThen what they have got, this birth by [indistinct]? You are thinking \"difficult\"; what is difficult? But giving up meat-eating, what is the difficulty?",
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"content": "\nSome of the rules are rather difficult, you know.",
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"content": "\nIt is thinking. Because that is māyā. You are thinking difficult. It is not at all difficult. How these boys, they gave up? Illicit sex-life was their life, in Europe and America, from the very childhood. How they are giving up?",
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"content": "\nSomething for them, you know, the hidden pleasures, in taking...",
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"content": "\nThat's all right, but if you like you can give it up. That's possible. And that giving up, that status you can maintain if you do the do's. Chant—that will protect you. Both things. So the process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement...\n[aside:] Aiye.\n...is very simple, very, very simple, and there is no difficulty at all. Simply one must agree.\n[aside:] Aiye.",
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"content": "\nThat is the process, sat-saṅga. Therefore we are opening centers. You come to our association, like these boys. First of all they are not asked that \"You have to do this.\" No. If I ask, how they will do? No. If they come, that is also very nice process. If you simply come—you don't do this, simply go on hearing—you will be God conscious. But you do not come, you see? People are not coming. That means they have no meaning left.",
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"content": "\nNo, they don't want to do away with their old [indistinct] …",
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"content": "\nThen if you need…, if you don't want to do something, that is another thing. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says,\nmanuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu\nkaścid yatati siddhaye\n[Bg. 7.3]\nOut of many thousands and millions of people, one becomes interested in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is not an ordinary thing.\nmanuṣyāṇāṁ sahasreṣu\nkaścid yatati siddhaye\nyatatām api siddhānāṁ\nkaścin vetti māṁ tattvataḥ\n[Bg. 7.3]\nIt is difficult, very difficult, but one intelligent person, although he knows it is very difficult: \"Why not try?\" And that is intelligence.\nWhat is the difficulty? Are they starving because they are not eating meat? We are giving them better food—kachorī, lucī, sandeśa, sweet balls, samosā and khicuṛi [devotees laugh]—anyone who comes, \"Oh, it is very nice!\" What is the loss there? Now here is a brahmacārī, here is a gṛhastha, here is a sannyāsa.\nAccording to suitability you can remain a brahmacārī or you can become a sannyāsa or you remain a gṛhastha. There is no such that \"You have to become a sannyāsī.\" No. You remain a gṛhastha, but don't spoil your life. You chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, you follow the rules and regulations of gṛhastha life, you become perfect.\nSo for anyone there is chance, and it is not that… Because according to Vedic system there are four castes: brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra and lower than the śūdras, pañcama. So it is not prohibited for anyone. I mean anyone can take—the brāhmaṇa can take, the śūdra can take, the others who are less than śūdra, they can take.\nkirāta-hūṇāndhra-pulinda-pulkaśā\nābhīra-śumbhā yavanāḥ khasādayaḥ\nye 'nye ca pāpā yad-apāśrayāśrayāḥ\n[SB 2.4.18]\nSo the door is open for everyone. The matter is very simple. Simply you have to take it and become successful in your life. And the knowledge is perfect, from the Vedas; now it is up to you. You take it or don't take it, that is your business.\nSo I am requesting you, you remain interested; instead of arguing continually, you please take to this business, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and take prasāda. Is that very difficult?",
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"content": "\nWe are inviting come here, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, dance and take prasādam. That is also difficult, then what can be done? They are chanting, dancing—that's a pleasure—and after that, taking prasādam, that is another pleasure. That is also difficult, then what can be done?",
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"content": "\nYes, then you must suffer. That is a fact. If there is dancing in the ball-dance hall, thousands of people will go. But this dancing, nobody will come. That is māyā. Māyā dictates, \"Oh, why you are going there? There is ball dance. Dance there.\" So we have to little protect ourselves from the dictation of māyā. \nThat will also give strength. Mām eva ye prapadyante [Bg. 4.11]: if you become a little strong and determined, \"No, no, I shall not go to the ball dance, I shall go to the Kṛṣṇa conscious dance,\" then your life is successful. That much determination you must have. That is up to you.\nAnd we are distributing this knowledge free. Such topmost knowledge, we are distributing free, don't charge. What is the loss? Suppose I ask you, \"Please chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra sixteen rounds,\" it is very easy. So if you chant sixteen rounds Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, what is your loss? But if there is gain, why don't you take it?\nThere is a story that an old woman was dying, and her son said, \"Mother, you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" So when they were repeating, \"Mother, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa,\" so she becomes disgusted, \"Why? I cannot say so many words.\" \"I cannot say so many words…\"",
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"content": "\n…but not \"Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" You see? There are four words only, Hare, Kṛṣṇa; two words. \"Oh, I cannot say all in all.\" This is our position. We can waste our time in so many ways, but if I say to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra sixteen rounds, you'll disagree: \"Oh, I cannot do it.\" This is our misfortune. So we have to become a little strong: \"Yes, I must. I must.\" Then [indistinct]. What is your loss?\nSo that is our requirement, that\nharer nāma harer nāma\nharer nāmaiva kevalam\nkalau nāsty eva nāsty eva\nnāsty eva gatir anyathā\n[Cc. Ādi 17.21]\nVery simple method. They will try to press the nose, to make the head down and make yoga, and he becomes God within six months—these cheating, these rascals are very [indistinct]. And simple thing, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra sixteen rounds, they will not accept. What can be done?\nAnd the result is there. They are Americans; what they want? That is a country of dollars. Earn ten dollars, fifteen dollars, twenty-five dollars—so that is nothing in this country. Daily they can spend, even in one hour, they are so rich. Anyone can earn thousands of rupees in our Indian exchange.\nJust like their lowest guarantee[?], four hundred dollars. So four hundred dollars in Indian exchange, four thousand rupees. So one who is making four thousand rupees per month, he is a rich man. And in America that is the lowest, that is the lowest, for the poorest man. And they are earning fifty thousand, twenty thousand, twenty-five thousand. So money is nothing.\nSo they have got enough money, they have got enough women, they have got enough wine, enough slaughterhouse—but they are disgusted. Now the young boys and girls, they have become hippies, frustration. They think that there is no life. So if we imitate only on these four principles—enough woman, enough intoxication, enough meat-eating, enough gambling—you pay, because you have already paid. It is a fact.\nNow it has become a problem; so many young men, they have become hippies, they are not working at all. You see? The government, without finding any other jobs, they have created this Vietnam; they are killing the boys. That's all. The Vietnam show is for killing these poor boys, that's all. They call draft, \"Come on you go to war.\" But, they cannot check; they have no means. And here is the means: Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. Therefore they are taking.\nSo you are growing nation. If you grow like the Americans and Europeans you will never be happy. You take this culture, you will be happy. That is the open secret. Nobody has become happy with this material advancement. So we do not check material advancement, but we simply want to change the consciousness. Be Kṛṣṇa conscious.\nJust like Arjuna, he was not stopped fighting. That is material. But his consciousness was changed. We wanted that. We do in that way. You do material advancement, but change your consciousness. That is our movement. Do not stop. Arjuna…, Kṛṣṇa never advised Arjuna, \"Oh, you take sannyāsa and go to the Himalaya and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" No. That is not our program. You do. You are Professor.\nsve sve karmaṇy abhirataḥ\nsaṁsiddhiṁ labhate naraḥ\n[Bg. 18.45]\nYou remain engaged in your occupational duties but be Kṛṣṇa conscious, sve karmaṇa, by your duty. Then you will get saṁsiddhiṁ, the highest perfection. He never said that \"You stop your business, stop your profession, and go to Himalaya.\" No. He simply says chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, then all the kind [indistinct]. Picture, where it was?",
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"content": "\nNew Yorker Magazine?",
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"content": "\nSomewhere else. One old gentleman and old lady, the old lady requesting her husband, \"Chant, chant, chant,\" and the old man is saying, \"Can't, can't, can't.\" [laughter] This is the position. We are simply asking people, \"Chant, chant, chant,\" and they are replying, \"Can't, can't, can't.\" This is the rascaldom. If you simply say, \"Yes, yes, yes,\" then everything, the whole thing will be saved. But they will not take it. They will say, \"Can't, can't, can't.\"",
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"content": "\nSwāmījī, what sort of power is in chanting the name, because...",
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"content": "\nWe associate with God.",
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"content": "\n...but is it not that if you follow these actions, that is much more strong.",
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"content": "\nWhat is that action? You are fools, rascals—what is your action? Now who is stronger? What is your action? What is the value of your action? Just like these children: what is the value of their action? They are simply to be protected from doing mischievous activities. If you are in knowledge… If you do not know the value of your life, what is the value of your activities?",
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"content": "\nThere could be majority, the mass of people who might be chanting the name, but if they don't know what they are chanting for, then…",
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"content": "\nThat they will know everything. They are simply chanting—sarvam idaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3]. Do you mean to say they are fools because they are chanting?",
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"content": "\nNo, but they are educated; they know...",
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"content": "\nNo. Educated or not educated, you may not… Even one is not educated, he has no other business. That is the effect. Vedas says. Then you have to go to the Vedic injunction. Yasmin vijñāte sarvam evam vijñātaṁ bhavati [Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3]: if you know the Supreme Absolute Truth, then everything becomes revealed to you.\nWe are challenging so many philosophers, so many scientists. Does it mean that I was a student of science? No. But we can challenge, because the knowledge is revealed. Just like I told [indistinct] some reporter came to me, asked me, \"Swāmījī, what is your opinion about this moon planet going?\" I said, \"It is simply waste of time and nonsense.\"\nI asked them, \"Shall I speak plain, or shall I flatter you?\" They said, \"No, we speak plain.\" I said, \"It is simply a waste of time and nonsense.\" So I'm not a scientist; how could I say? How could I say? On the Vedic knowledge. Vedic version is, and Bhagavad-gītā you will see,\nyānti deva-vratā devān\npitṝn yānti pitṛ-vratāḥ\n[Bg. 9.25]\nThe moon planet is considered one of the planets of the demigods, so you have to become a devotee of that demigod or cultivate that knowledge. You hear; then you will get the body to be transferred in that planet. You cannot go in this body. Now how you can refute this argument? We get knowledge that unless they have trained themselves how to go to the moon planet, they cannot go. We take it. So therefore how much they may…, how hard they may try to go there, they cannot go. How can I say? On the Vedic strength. We are not trained up.\nJust like one can see, suppose one African is trying to go to India or, say, UK. So if I see that he has not passport, he has not got passport and visa, then I can immediately, \"No, you cannot go.\" There is no necessity of knowledge how I say. I say, \"Because he has no passport and visa, he cannot go.\"\nSimilarly, from the Vedic knowledge we understand unless one becomes a devotee of that particular type of demigod, he cannot go. Therefore we can say, \"You cannot go.\" However they may try with this machine, that is not possible. This is perfect knowledge. I am not a scientist; I am not criticizing the scientific process. But because I know that the Veda says that they cannot go, I say, \"You cannot go.\"\nNow Veda says they cannot go, now we challenge. And so let the scientist come and prove. That is Vedic knowledge. Let them go. Now they are silent. By making so much false propaganda, now they are silent. They cannot go in this way, machine. You cannot go to America by force, by your machine. You have to take the visa, immigration visa. So how can you go to the moon planet? We get from the Vedic knowledge that in moon planet one gets ten thousand of years' life. And that planet is very cold. They drink soma-rasa. They…, all the Vedic scriptures.\nSo on the Vedic scriptural strength we can challenge anyone. Therefore the Vedic knowledge says, yasmin vijñāte sarvam evam vijñātaṁ bhavati: if you simply understand the Absolute Truth, then you become..., you know everything.",
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"content": "\nDo you think that they have ever been to the moon now?",
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"content": "\nNever! I challenge them. This is simply all propaganda. If they had been, then what they have gained? Why they do not go and make some business there?",
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"content": "\nThey have brought some rocks and sand, that's all. Why they say there is no life? If the planet is there, we find that in experience that even within the earth there is living entity, within the water there is living entity, in the air there is living entity. And what moon planet has done there is no living entity? What is your answer?\nAlthough they have got some sands and rocks, the sands and rocks are there, and there is no living entity? How it is possible? By experience we see here, sands and rocks are there, but there are living entities; and there you have got sands and rocks but there is no living entities. First of all answer this challenge.\nAnd we get information from Vedic literature that there are demigods, they are very highly elevated, intellectual persons, they live for ten thousands of years. And these people say there is no life. Therefore we don't believe it. First of all show within your experience. Go anywhere—even in the desert there is living entity. [aside:] What you are thinking?",
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"content": "\nI think that we should [indistinct—discussing schedule?]",
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"content": "\nFor me go to the [indistinct]. So there are many reasons, you see. If you study, if you accept the Vedic conclusion, you save so much time, so much time, and you get the right information. And that is perfection. So chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra means associating with God directly.\nSo we are associating with God, then we become purified. Just like if you associate with fire you become warm, gradually; this is the example. You put one iron rod in the fire, it is warmer and warmer and warmer, and then it is red-hot, and when it is red-hot it is no longer iron rod, it is fire. You touch that iron rod anywhere, it will burn.\nSimilarly, if you associate with God, then you become godly, you become purified. And the matter is so simple. The Vedic śāstra says, harer nāma harer nāma harer…, three times stating: \"It is this, it is this, it is this.\"\nkalau nāsty eva nāsty eva\nnāsty eva gatir anyathā\n[Cc. Ādi 17.21]\nIf you follow the Vedic instruction you will get success, without arguing. And what is the difficulty there?",
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"content": "\nThere's no difficulty.",
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"content": "\nThen why there is argument? Why not try it? Such a simple method that even a child can do. If this child is asked, \"You chant,\" she will chant directly. Such a yoga system that can be accepted by child even. And the Vedic knowledge says, \"There is no other way, no other way, no other way.\" Why not take it? Why this obstinacy? That is our misfortune.\nOur program is very simple: come here, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and dance with us. Even if you don't dance, take little prasādam, go away. Why there is so much objection to this? We don't ask anything, that \"You pay here fifty dollars, and press your nose and make your hand and do that, so many.\" So what is the difficulty? We don't charge anything. Just try the method. [indistinct] boli. Why there is objection? Just so you answer this, that why there is objection? This simple method, this sublime method, why there is objection?",
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"content": "\nCan I tell you what I think?",
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"content": "\nBecause there are so many institutions, there are so many sects, so many religious, I mean, erm...",
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"content": "\nBut here there is no religion, there is no sect. We call Indian, we call European, American, African, brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, śūdra. At least here there is no sect. Why you are bringing \"sects\"?",
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"content": "\nNo, but at the moment...",
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"content": "\nThere may be so many rascals; that is another thing. Here there is no rascaldom. Here is taught that anyone, you are welcome. Where is the question of \"sects\" or \"religion\"?",
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"content": "\nNo, not over here, but I am telling...",
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"content": "\nDon't bring in so many things. But why you are...",
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"content": "\nWhat are the convictions? What is the conviction? You chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. What is the necessity of convictions?",
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"content": "\nNo, but there might be a ṛṣi[?], [indistinct]. There might be so many people telling them...",
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"content": "\nTherefore I say it is misfortune only, that's all.",
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"content": "\nThe difference is already there, but they are rascals; they do not know. It is stated very clear in the Vedic knowledge, in the Bhagavad-gītā, that,\nkāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ\nprapadyante 'nya-devatāḥ\n[Bg. 7.20]\nThose who worship other demigods, they are rascals, hṛta-jñānāḥ. That is clearly stated. So if you want to remain rascal, how I can be faulted? Hṛta-jñānāḥ. Because what does it mean, hṛta-jñānāḥ? You know the Sanskrit?",
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"content": "\nLittle bit",
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"content": "\nYes, hṛta-jñānāḥ means one who has lost his intelligence. That means he's a rascal. This is clearly stated:\nkāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ\nprapadyante 'nya-devatāḥ\nantavat tu phalaṁ teṣāṁ\ntad bhavaty alpa-medhasām\n[Bg. 7.23]\nEven if you get result, results from the demigods, it is antava: it will be finished. It will be finished. Tad bhavaty al… Therefore people who are alpa-medhasām, less intelligent, they are satisfied with some temporary purpose, that's all. Now there is a…, it is going on, Navaratri, Durgā. That's all right. Durgā will pay, dhanaṁ dehi vimukti bharyam dehi yaśo dehi rūpaṁ. All right, Goddess Durgā gives you. But how long you will enjoy this?\nAs soon as your body is finished, your beautiful wife, your money, your friend, everything's finished. Therefore, alpa-medhasām: less intelligent. Their brain substance is very small; therefore they are after these things. The problem is eternal life. These are all clearly stated. But you don't accept the Vedas. That is the difficulty.",
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"content": "\nBecause they have not been preached in the true sense.",
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"content": "\nIf you want to remain here preaching, they are not coming; they are accepting.",
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"content": "\nThat is their misfortune. We have come out to preach.",
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"content": "\nPeople will come…",
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"content": "\n…once they know. Because now they have become, what you call, they have reached to the saturated point. They have saturated. So many beggars...",
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"content": "\nAnd then they become difficult to follow which one to follow, and so they become so much confused. So they are…",
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"content": "\nWhat right you have got? He means to preach this philosophy to the devotees. How the non-devotees, they can understand? They do not understand Bhagavad-gītā, still they write commentary. Suppose I am a preacher of spiritual subject matter, and Mr. [indistinct], he is a goldsmith. So if I write on a book on goldsmith, what is the value of this book? Is there any value? So Bhagavad-gītā is meant for devotee. Why the other rascals write on commentation? Simply waste their time and mislead others. This is going on.",
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"content": "\nThe same thing has happened here.",
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"content": "\nYes. Everywhere it is happening, the whole world over. We are touring all over the world, simply people are being cheated. And they want to be cheated.",
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"content": "\nAnd now if you bring truth in front of them, still they will say that...",
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"content": "\nThat is... What can be done? [break]",
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"content": "\n…thinking that people will come here, we might have to go to them, you know, expecting them here.",
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"content": "\nSo you don't feel any inconvenience?",
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"content": "\nThat's nice. You were smoking also?",
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"content": "\nThat's nice. Our students, they have very quickly given up the four principles of sinful activity. And that is actually surprising to all these so-called sannyāsīs also. They are surprised. They cannot give up tea-drinking, smoking. Still, they are passing on as spiritually advanced.\nThey are still servant of smoking and tea, and they have become God. Just see the fun! \"Nārāyaṇa.\" They address one another, \"Nārāyaṇa.\" [laughter] \"You are Nārāyaṇa. I am Nārāyaṇa. There is no trouble because you are Nārāyaṇa.\" So begin.\n[break] Others not. Your father.",
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"content": "\nMy grandfather.",
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"content": "\nSo aśakti...?",
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"content": "\n ...practically in every initiation ceremony, apavitraḥ pavitro vā, namaḥ [Garuḍa Purāṇa].\n[Either pure or impure, or having passed through all conditions of material life, if one can remember the lotus-eyed Kṛṣṇa, he becomes externally and internally clean.]\nNamaḥ means surrendering. Namāmi: \"I surrender unto You. He Kṛṣṇa, I am surrendering to You.\" And apavitraḥ pavitro vā. Apavitraḥ means contaminated, and pavitra means liberated. In either stage, either in the material, contaminated stage or in transcendental, liberated stage, apavitraḥ pavitro vā sarvāvasthām, in any situation...\nYaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣam. Sarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā. In any circumstances, if somebody remembers, smaret, remembers puṇḍarīkākṣam... Puṇḍarīka akṣam. Akṣam means eyes. One who is lotus-eyed, Kṛṣṇa or Viṣṇu, puṇḍarīkākṣam, anyone who remembers always or at any time Kṛṣṇa, yaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣam, sa, that person...\nBahya. Bahya means externally, and abhyantaram means internally. Bahyābhyantaraṁ śuciḥ. Śuci means brāhmaṇa, or śuci means completely cleansed. The brāhmaṇa means completely clean. The brahminical qualification is first of all cleanliness. Satya śaucaṁ śamo dama titikṣa ārjavam, \njñānaṁ vijñānam āstikyaṁ\nbrahma-karma svabhāva-jam\n[Bg. 18.42].\n[Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, honesty, wisdom, knowledge, and religiousness—these are the qualities by which the brāhmaṇas work.]\nTo become brāhmaṇa means satyam saucam. First thing is truthful, and next, śaucam, very cleansed, internally and externally. Externally we can cleanse ourself by soap and water. That is necessary. Daily we should take bath with soap and water and oil. Bahyābhyantaram. And abhyantaraṁ śuciḥ means evacuating and cleansing.\nIn yoga system there is a system they practice, they can get out all the intestines and cleanse it clearly. Dhauti. What do they know about this yoga system? They can take out the whole intestine and cleanse it nicely and again set it. So these are actually practicing yoga system. But who is going to do that? Simply a gymnastic process. So śaucam, cleanliness, is very necessary for advancing in spiritual life.\nSo brāhmaṇa qualification is truthfulness, cleanliness, satyaṁ śaucam. Sama, equilibrium of the mind, without any disturbance, without any anxiety. Satyaṁ śaucam śamo dama. Dama means controlling the senses. Śamo dama titikṣa. Titikṣa means tolerance. So many things in the material world will happen.\nWe have to practice to tolerate. Tāṁs titikṣasva bhārata. Kṛṣṇa says, \"You have to learn tolerance. The sukha-duḥkha, happiness, distress, they will come like seasonal changes.\" Just like there is sometimes rain, there is sometimes snowfall, sometimes scorching heat. How you can fight? It is not possible. Try to tolerate. That's all.\nSatyaṁ śaucaṁ śamo dama titikṣa ārjavam. Ārjavam means simplicity, no duplicity. Simplicity, ārjavam. Jñānaṁ vijñānam, knowledge and practical application in life. Jñānaṁ vijñānam āstikyam. Āstikyam means to believe firmly in the scriptures. Just like Bhagavad-gītā we are studying, or Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. We should firmly believe what Kṛṣṇa says, not interpretation.\nThis is called āstikyam. And nāstikyam means not firm belief—atheism. Just like Lord Buddha. Lord Buddha simply said that \"I don't believe in the Vedas.\" Therefore he is immediately calculated as atheist, nāstikyam. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, veda nā māniyā bauddha haila nāstika: \"The followers of Buddha, they did not accept Vedic,\" I mean to say, \"direction; therefore they are nāstika.\"\nWhat is that Vedic direction? In the Dāsavatāra-stotra by Jayadeva Gosvāmī, he says, nindasi yajña-vidher ahaha śruti-jātam.\n[O Keśava! O Lord of the universe! O Lord Hari who have assumed the form of Buddha! All glories to You! Your heart filled with compassion, you decry animal slaughter performed according to the scriptural rules of Vedic sacrifice.]\nIn the śruti, in the Vedas, there is prescription of sacrifice, and in some of the sacrifice there is recommendation for sacrifice of some animals, goats. So that is... But Lord Buddha says, \"No. I want to introduce nonviolence, no animal killing. So even there is Veda, prescription, I don't accept Vedas.\" Therefore he became nāstika.\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu says that veda nā māniyā bauddha haila nāstika: \"Because Lord Buddha did not accept the authority of the Veda, therefore he was considered nāstika, atheist.\" He was Indian. He was Hindu. His forefathers were kṣatriyas, Vedic.\nHe revolted. So therefore he was called nāstika. But a brāhmaṇa should not be nāstika; he should be āstik. Āstikyam: \"He must believe in the scriptural injunction.\" These are brahminical qualification.\nSo you are going to be brāhmaṇa, qualified brāhmaṇa, this sacred thread ceremony; therefore you should follow all these principles—satyam, śaucam, cleanliness... Although in this age, not only in your country—you are completely out of Vedic culture—even in India, they are so-called; nobody follows. But still, they claim, \"I am brāhmaṇa. We are brāhmaṇas.\" So this is para-pira[?], simply a social standard without any qualification, without any...\nSo you are going to take the responsibility of brahmanism. This system is introduced according to pāñcarātrikī system. Pāñcarātrikī system means formerly, in the Vedic system, without being born by a brāhmaṇa, nobody was given this sacred thread ceremony.\n\"Without being born by a brāhmaṇa\" does not mean hereditary, but actually one who is brāhmaṇa. Just like you are now being created as brāhmaṇa. So if your son is born, he has the first claim to become a brāhmaṇa, because by the birth he gets the brahminical culture, sees the father and mother. Just like this boy. Automatically he is getting Vaiṣṇava culture, he is associating with the Vaiṣṇavas.\nSo the son of a brāhmaṇa has the chance. A practical example, this boy: from the very beginning becoming a Vaiṣṇava, more than a brāhmaṇa. More than. Vaiṣṇava position is above the brāhmaṇas. Brahmā jānātīti brāhmaṇaḥ. But Vaiṣṇava, he penetrates the brahma-jyotir.\nJust like you penetrate... If you are able to penetrate the sunshine and go to the sun and seek out the sun-god, if somebody is able, by going to the sun planet by sputnik, he is better than who is in the sunshine.\nSunshine we can have by just little go up to the cloud. Say, about seven miles up, you get sunshine. But to go to the sun planet and enter into the..., that is very difficult job. That requires so many things.\n[aside:] Sit down properly. Chant.\nSo Brahman, Brahman, nirviśeṣa-brahman, impersonal Brahman, when one understands, jñānaṁ vijñānam... Jñānaṁ vijñānam. And when one becomes Vaiṣṇava, brahmeti paramātmeti bhagavān iti śabdyate [SB 1.2.11].\n[Learned transcendentalists who know the Absolute Truth call this nondual substance Brahman, Paramātmā or Bhagavān.]\nWhen one understands what is impersonal Brahman, what is localized Paramātma and what is Bhagavān, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam... When you understand the Supreme, the original Personality of Godhead Kṛṣṇa... Ete cāṁśa-kalāḥ puṁsaḥ kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28].\n[All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists.]\nThere are many incarnations. Rāmādi-murtiṣu kalā-niyamena tiṣṭhan [Bs. 5.39]. \n[I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who manifested Himself personally as Kṛṣṇa and the different avatāras in the world in the forms of Rāma, Nṛsiṁha, Vāmana, etc., as His subjective portions.]\nRāma, Nṛsiṁha, Varāha... There are so many thousands and millions of incarnation. But Bhāgavata points out that \"This name, 'Kṛṣṇa,' He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\" Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam. So when one understands kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam, vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19].\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nThat Vāsudeva is everything, then he becomes a Vaiṣṇava. So a Vaiṣṇava is already brāhmaṇa, but still, it is a function that one should not deride at Vaiṣṇava, that he is not brāhmaṇa. Therefore Vaiṣṇava-smṛti, Hari-bhakti-vilāsa, written by Sanātana Gosvāmī.\nThat is called Vaiṣṇava-smṛti, how to conduct Vaiṣṇava life. There it is clearly stated by Sanātana Gosvāmī that tathā dīkṣā-vidhānena dvijatvaṁ jāyate nṛṇām [Hari-bhakti-vilāsa 2.12]\n[By chemical manipulation, bell metal is turned into gold when touched by mercury; similarly, when a person is properly initiated, he can acquire the qualities of a brāhmaṇa.]\n\"By the process of initiation, a man can attain the position of the twice-born.\" Twice-born means brāhmaṇa especially—brāhmaṇa, kṣatriyas, vaiśyas, three classes of twice-born. Several times I have explained: first born by father and mother, and second born, birth, is this.\nSo you should have responsibility. You should follow. But you can be steady, and you will be able to follow all these principles, provided you chant regularly Hare Kṛṣṇa. That sixteen rounds you must complete. Then māyā will not be able to deviate you.\nThat is... You must keep this. This kīrtana process, as we are performing morning, evening, this will keep your life steady, fixed up, firm. You will always be situated in brāhmaṇa's position if you strictly follow this. Otherwise māyā will immediately: \"My dear boy, please come here. Why you are taking so much botheration?\" You see?\nJust like one boy wanted to be initiated from Montreal. His father and mother have sent me telegram. You have seen? \"Oh, please save my boy. He is going to be brāhmaṇa. Oh, it will spoil my family.\" That means if he becomes brāhmaṇa, he may be reluctant to be karmī. This is going on. If one becomes debauch, the father-mother is not so disturbed. But if he becomes brāhmaṇa, \"Oh, it is horrible. It is horrible. It is horrible.\" [laughter]\nJust see the social condition. If a young man becomes debauch, \"Ah, young man. Let him do. What is there? When he will grow, he will be taken... All right.\" But if a young man goes to a spiritual master to become brāhmaṇa, \"Oh,\" the father-mother is... \"Oh, it is horrible. My son is being killed.\" You see? Just see. I have got practical telegram from India. Just see the position of India. Just now today I have received one telegram, Hanla. \"Oh, is horrible condition.\"\nAnd Bhāgavata says that \"One should not become a father, one should not become a mother, if he cannot prepare his child, a brāhmaṇa, a Vaiṣṇava, so that will protect him from the cycle of repeated birth and death.\" \"No, we don't want [this] thing. We want our boy a karmī, a demon. Let him earn and send me money. I eat very nicely.\" This is going on.\nSo this propaganda against brāhmanism or Vaiṣṇavism is always. It is not new thing. Just like Hiraṇyakaśipu. His little child wanted to become a Vaiṣṇava, and the father, \"Oh, you are going to be Vaiṣṇava? I shall kill you.\" A little child, five years old, just like this boy. He is taking care off. If mother says, \"Oh, you are doing this? I shall kill you,\" most extraordinary. But there are instances.\nSo you should be careful. The only precaution is that you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Yaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣam sa bahyābhyantaraṁ śuciḥ. Always. If you want to keep intact of transcendental position, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa sincerely. Then you will be kept. Nobody can harm you. Nobody can deviate. Māyā will fly away. You see? Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14]. \n[This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.]\nMāyā is very strong. You cannot conquer māyā by so-called meditation or this or that. No. Simply by surrendering to Kṛṣṇa. Mām eva ye prapadyante. Kṛṣṇa. Only He. Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te. He can overcome the stringent laws of māyā.\nSo don't think that after finishing this ceremony you become all right. No. Māyā is always strong. Kṛṣṇa-nāma karo bhaya āra sab miche, palāivera path naya yo māche piche. The instruction is that you always chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Āra sab miche.\nWhatever except... Nāma vinā kichu nāhika āra, cauddha-bhuvana-majhe. \"Within this fourteen world, if there is anything summum bonum substance, this is this Hare Kṛṣṇa. This is this Hare Kṛṣṇa.\" Mind that. Nāma vinā kichu nāhika āra, cauddha-bhuvana-majhe. So this is secondary, this ceremony. Real strength is chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nSo of course, people may not think you otherwise, that you are not brāhmaṇa, you are not purified. Therefore this ceremony is there, the thread ceremony here, that \"Yes, we are properly... According to scriptural rules and regulations, we have become brāhmaṇa.\nThere is no question of because I am not born in a brāhmaṇa family, it does not mean I am not brāhmaṇa. I am recognized by authorized ācārya in the line of disciplic succession of Nārada.\"\nNārada has given this definition in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam while instructing Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira about the four..., eight divisions, varṇa and āśrama. He said, yasya hi yal lakṣaṇaṁ syād varṇābhivyañjakam. Varṇa. Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭam [Bg. 4.13].\n[According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.]\nFour classes, brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra—this is creation of God. It is not artificial; it is natural. God's creation is natural. So cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ: \"According to quality and work.\" So your quality is Vaiṣṇava, and working as Vaiṣṇava. Then you are more than a brāhmaṇa. But you should keep.\nSimilarly, Nārada also. We are initiating according to Nārada Pañcarātra. Because, as I told you, formerly only a person who is born by a brāhmaṇa... That means garbhādhāna ceremony. A child should be accepted that he is born of a brāhmaṇa. Everyone should know. That is called garbhādhāna ceremony, that when a man goes to his wife to beget child, there is a ceremony.\nIt is not a secret, hide-and-seek behavior. Everyone should know that \"Now this man is going to beget child.\" So how that child should be very nice, that is called garbhādhāna ceremony. So if garbhādhāna ceremony is not performed according to scriptural direction, immediately he becomes a śūdra.\nSo in this age nobody is observing garbhādhāna ceremony; therefore it is to be understood that everyone is born a śūdra. Therefore pāñcarātriki-vidhi. Vedic system cannot be applied, because nobody is born of a brāhmaṇa. Who knows? Who knows how he is born? There is no ceremony. That is witness, that \"Oh, he will go.\"\nJust like marriage is a ceremony, there are so many witnesses, similarly, garbhādhāna ceremony, there is ceremony. It is no hide and seek. So because the garbhādhāna ceremony is not current at the present age, therefore everyone should be accepted as born śūdra, either in any place, either here or India or anywhere.\nBut the Pāñcarātrika system, it gives chance to a person, if he has got symptoms. Just like this boy has got the symptom to become a brāhmaṇa, to be Vaiṣṇava. Just like in the Jabala Upaniṣad. This, by symptoms, he was accepted brāhmaṇa, a small boy like this. Satyakaṁ Jabala. Satyakam.\nHe went to Gautama Muni: \"My dear sir, will you initiate me?\" Just like this boy can ask us. Oh, he was very kind: \"Oh, yes. Very nice boy. What is your father's name?\" \"Oh, I do not know.\" \"Oh, just ask your mother. Go.\" Mother says, \"I do not know whose son you are.\" He came back. \"What your mother says?\" \"Oh, Mother says she does not know who is my father.\" \"Oh, you are brāhmaṇa. Oh, you are brāhmaṇa. Come on. I shall initiate you.\"\nHe was so truthful. That is real symptom of brāhmaṇ: satya, śama. He does not disclose that \"I do not know.\" Everyone will try to hide if he does not know his father's name. But here is a boy, \"Oh,\" he said, \"Oh, you are brāhmaṇa. Come on. I shall initiate you.\" This is lakṣaṇa, symptom. \"Such a truthful boy. Never mind what he is born, how he is born.\"\nThis system is not new. Therefore we shall have to accept by the symptom. If one is inclined to go to Kṛṣṇa—he is chanting, he is doing, following the principles—then, according to Nārada's version, yasya hi yal lakṣaṇaṁ syāt, here is the lakṣaṇa, symptom, varṇābhivyañjakam, to understand to what class he belongs. Now, he is truthful—he belongs to the brāhmaṇa class. He is truthful; therefore he belongs to the brāhmaṇa class.\nYasya hi yal lakṣaṇaṁ syāt varṇābhivyañjakam. Abhivyañjakam means just to find out what class of man he is. If he is truthful, he is brāhmaṇa. Lakṣaṇa. The lakṣaṇa is there; the symptom is there. Yasya hi yal lakṣaṇaṁ varṇābhivyañjakaṁ tat tenaiva vinirdiśet [SB 7.11.35].\n[If one shows the symptoms of being a brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya or śūdra, as described above, even if he has appeared in a different class, he should be accepted according to those symptoms of classification.]\nOne should take him into that classification. He is truthful? Oh, he is immediately to the brahminical place. If he is a liar, immediately he is pañcama, less than śūdra. You see?\nSo these things were done. People have misused the whole thing: \"Now I am born of a brāhmaṇa. By force I am brāhmaṇa.\" You see? Just like Paṇḍitajī, our late Prime Minister Paṇḍitajī. He was less than the caṇḍāla, but he was addressed as \"Paṇḍitajī.\" \"Paṇḍitajī\" is the address of the brāhmaṇa. You see? By lakṣaṇam...\nNobody cared for lakṣaṇa, because his forefather, somebody, was a brāhmaṇa, although there was no garbhādhāna ceremony, no system, still. This is not accepted. People misunderstand Hindu culture, Vedic culture, that there are forced caste system. No. It is varṇābhivyañjakam, by the symptom, [indistinct], qualification. It is not by birth.\nSo we..., our... One of the item of this mission, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is to establish real varṇāśrama by qualification. We have to pick up brāhmaṇas from everywhere, throughout the whole world, not that we have to pick up brāhmaṇas in India in some class. No.\nThere are brāhmaṇas every part of the world. We have to pick up. Just see. None of these boys are born in India or a brāhmaṇa family, but they have got the symptom. They have got the brahminical... They have either acquired willingly or by some way. So we have to pick up.\nAnyone who is truthful, who is controlling the senses, no illicit sex life... That is controlling senses. There are many other things. This is the most important thing. Śamo dama titikṣa. They are tolerant. To these American boys, to take up another culture, which they are not accustomed from the birth, that is tolerance.\nThis is tolerance. But it is not painful, but it is tolerance. I am asking the American boys, \"Don't smoke. Don't take intoxication.\" They are accustomed to this habit from the very childhood, but they are doing this. This is tolerance.\nSo these are brahminical qualification—tolerance, truthful. And śauca, śauca, this śauca. Anyone who is chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, he is pure, bahyābhyantaram, inside and outside. So in this way, in this age, the chance should be given. Not that when the satyakam spoke the truth of his life... So he was accepted. So you are being accepted as qualified brāhmaṇa, but keep your qualification. Then your life will be sublime. Keep your life. Yes.\nSo this is a chance given by the Pāñcarātrika system. It doesn't matter how he is born. Nobody is responsible for his birth, but everyone is responsible for his work. So you work like a brāhmaṇa, like a Vaiṣṇava, and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, and chant this Gāyatrī mantra, and your life will be sublime. So don't neglect it. You are being initiated according to the order of our predecessors, Caitanya Mahāprabhu, pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi grāma [CB Antya-khaṇḍa 4.126].\n[“In every town and village of the world, the chanting of My name will be heard.]\nWe should have to preach this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement in every village, in every town of this planet. Therefore you have come to your country. You are kindly cooperating. You also spread. I am old man. I may not live very long. Any moment I can be finished. But try. That is actually feeling. That is actually fellow feeling, that people are simply... Anādi bahirmukha kṛṣṇa bhuli gelā [Cc. Madhya 20.117]\n[“Forgetting Kṛṣṇa, the living entity has been attracted by the external feature from time immemorial. Therefore the illusory energy [māyā] gives him all kinds of misery in his material existence.]\nThey have forgotten Kṛṣṇa from time immemorial. Athaeva kṛṣṇa veda purāṇa karila. Therefore this propaganda, this literature, Vedic literature, is there to remind them. Aham eva sarva-yajñānāṁ bhokta ca prabhur eva ca [Bg. 9.24].\n[I am the only enjoyer and the only object of sacrifice. Those who do not recognize My true transcendental nature fall down.]\nKṛṣṇa says, \"I am the Lord of everything.\" So we have to capture Kṛṣṇa. So this is the... Namo apavitraḥ pavitro vā sarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā. This is explanation of this verse.\nAnd now we begin our ceremony.\nvande 'haṁ śrī-guroḥ śrī-yuta-pada-kamalaṁ śrī-gurūn vaiṣṇavāṁś ca\nśrī-rūpaṁ sāgrajātaṁ saha-gaṇa-raghunāthānvitaṁ taṁ sa-jīvam\nsādvaitaṁ sāvadhūtaṁ parijana-sahitaṁ kṛṣṇa-caitanya-devaṁ\nśrī-rādhā-kṛṣṇa-pādān saha-gaṇa-lalitā-śrī-viśākhānvitāṁś ca\n[\"I offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of my spiritual master and of all the other preceptors on the path of devotional service. I offer my respectful obeisances unto all the Vaiṣṇavas and unto the six Gosvāmīs, including Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī, Śrīla Sanātana Gosvāmī, Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī, Jīva Gosvāmī and their associates. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Śrī Advaita Ācārya Prabhu, Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu and all His devotees, headed by Śrīvāsa Ṭhākura. I then offer my respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Śrīmatī Rādhārāṇī and all the gopīs, headed by Lalitā and Viśākhā.\"]\nnama om viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya\nbhūtale śrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\nnama om viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya\nbhūtale śrīmate bhaktivedānta-svāmin iti nāmine.\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, who is very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa, having taken shelter at His lotus feet.]\n[break]\nnamo brahmaṇya-devāya\ngo-brāhmaṇa-hitāya ca\njagad-dhitāya kṛṣṇāya\ngovindāya namaḥ namaḥ namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to the Supreme Absolute Truth, Krishna, who is the well-wisher of the cows and the brahmanas as well as the living entities in general. I offer my repeated obeisances to Govinda [Krishna], who is the pleasure reservoir for all the senses.]\nNow put slowly, like this.\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\n[\"My dear Lord, and the spiritual energy of the Lord, kindly engage me in Your service. I am now embarrassed with this material service. Please engage me in Your service.\"]\nNow bow down.\nnamo brahmaṇya-devāya\ngo-brāhmaṇa-hitāya ca\njagad-dhitāya kṛṣṇāya\ngovindāya namo...\n[I offer my respectful obeisances to the Supreme Absolute Truth, Krishna, who is the well-wisher of the cows and the brahmanas as well as the living entities in general. I offer my repeated obeisances to Govinda [Krishna], who is the pleasure reservoir for all the senses.]\nNama oṁ visnu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhū-tale. Chant.\nŚrīmate bhaktivedānta sarasvatī iti nāmine.\nAll right. Come on, Toṣaṇa Kṛṣṇa. You have no robe?",
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"content": "\nYes. [japa]\n[Viṣṇujana leads kīrtana] [prema-dhvani]\n[20:02]\nFirst of all, you are... Mantra? Oh, yes. [japa]",
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"content": "\nRepeat the mantra three times with water, taking water, then wash.\noṁ apavitraḥ pavitro vā\nsarvāvasthāṁ gato 'pi vā\nyaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣaṁ\nsa bahyābhyantaraḥ śuciḥ\nśrī-viṣṇu śrī-viṣṇu śrī-viṣṇu\n[Garuḍa Purāṇa]\n[devotees repeat each word]\n[break] ....that is to say whether one is in liberated platform or whether one is in the animal platform, the hellish platform, that one is a denizen of the lower planets, in any condition of life, one can..., if one simply remembers the lotus-eyed one, or Viṣṇu, Kṛṣṇa, then one becomes purified, or śuci, internally or externally. And externally. Internally and externally. So this mantra is enjoining that you simply remember the lotus-eyed one, simply remember Viṣṇu, then we can be come purified, we can become śuci. \nSo this process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is that purification process. This process is that process whereby we can remember that lotus-eyed one, or by which we can become Kṛṣṇa conscious, we can become conscious of that lotus-eyed one, we can remember that lotus-eyed one, twenty-four hours a day. We are trying..., we expand all of our energies to become Kṛṣṇa conscious.\nSo this initiation process is the beginning of that process to become purified. To begin to remember God, to remember Kṛṣṇa, Viṣṇu. So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, this initiation process is the initial step and then after this initial step then there is another step the second initiation.\nOne receives second initiation after one is serious in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness process. One is becoming a little purified so this second initiation is given and then this means that the individual is becoming first-class man. He is becoming purified, he is living up to human standard. The human platform, this human form of life is simply meant for cultivating Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is simply meant for purification.\nSo in this day and age there is no qualification, no birth right qualification for achieving this platform of life, for becoming first-class man. The fifth class man can become first-class man and if the first-class man does not take up this Kṛṣṇa consciousness then he becomes fifth class man. So there are so many fifth class men. There is a practical example, there are so many fifth class men and women who are becoming first-class simply by execution of this Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo here we have a very nice example in this day and age practically the whole world, the whole population of this earthly planet is fifth class men. So simply by initiating this process and executing Kṛṣṇa consciousness, cultivating remembrance of the lotus eyed one Viṣṇu and then one becomes purified up to the platform of first-class men and this is for the benefit of all humanity. This is not simply benefiting all humanity, it is benefiting all living entities everywhere on all planets. So this is the real welfare work, this work is being done to the welfare of everyone.\nSo simply we have to follow the instructions of the spiritual master. This is the first, this is the first step in Kṛṣṇa consciousness—is to first accept the spiritual master and then become initiated by the spiritual master. This is the first and second step, the first injunction is given. So this is being performed at this time, this this acceptance of the spiritual master means to accept and to serve faithfully throughout one's life the spiritual master. To never deviate from complete acceptance of the spiritual master. One should not think otherwise.\nThat is blaspheming the Lord's devotees. One should... This is a... Greatest offence, one should not, should never blaspheme the Lord's devotees. To blaspheme the Lord's devotees is most. Is the severest offence because Kṛṣṇa does not forgive this offence. Kṛṣṇa is always protecting the devotees in this particular instance we can see Kṛṣṇa, Lord Nṛsiṁha comes and bifurcates the demon Hiraṇyakaśipu and He is always protecting His devotee, Prahlāda Mahārāja. Simply by remembering, we can... Simply by remembering the Lord. Prahlāda Mahārāja is always remembering Viṣṇu Kṛṣṇa.\nSo blaspheming the Lord's devotee. The only way one can be forgiven of this heinous offense is by a pure devotee of the Lord himself. \"So considering the Lord and the demigods on the same level or...\"",
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"content": "\n In the śāstra it is said that if you commit some offense to Kṛṣṇa, He excuses, but if you commit offense to His devotee, He never excuses. Personal offense to Kṛṣṇa can be excused by Kṛṣṇa. He is so merciful. That... The Durvāsā Muni, he offended Mahārāja Ambarīṣa, and he went up... He was so powerful that he went to Viṣṇuloka to see Viṣṇu for being protected, because the sudarśana cakra was after him.\nSo Viṣṇu said, \"Oh, this is beyond My power. I cannot excuse you.\" Yes. \"You have to go to Ambarīṣa Mahārāja and ask his pardon. Otherwise there is no excuse.\" So that Durvāsā Muni, he was a great yogī and brāhmaṇa, and he was very proud, so he came back and fell down on the feet of Ambarīṣa Mahārāja. Then he was excused. You see?\nAmbarīṣa Mahārāja was a kṣatriya, a king. He was neither yogī, but he was a great devotee. So this yogī, Durvāsā Muni, he wanted to supersede him, that \"He is ordinary kṣatriya king, and because he is advertised that he is a devotee, I shall teach him some lesson.\" So that was the quarrel between the... The king was very nice, he never picked up quarrel, but this old man picked up quarrel, and he was chastised by Viṣṇu like that. Yes.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"...considering the Lord and the demigods on the same level or to understand that there are many Gods.\" There is only one God...",
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"content": "\n This is a misconception that, especially in your country, in the Western countries, it is advertised that the Hindus have many Gods. Only Hindu. We are not concerned with the Hindu-Muslim; we are concerned with Kṛṣṇa. So actually in the Vedas accepted one God. Eka brahma dvitīya nāsti. There is no second. God cannot be two. God is one. It is a misconception there are many Gods.\nThere are Māyāvādī philosophers, they say that \"You worship any demigod. It is the same thing.\" They misinterpret the Bhagavad-gītā śloka, ye yathā māṁ prapadyante [Bg. 4.11]: \"You can worship Me in any way.\" The Māyāvādī philosophers, there is a great missionary activities in India. They have got their branch here also. They propagate that \"You may worship any demigod—Goddess Kali or this or that. Everything is all right.\" No. God is one, and that is Kṛṣṇa.\nKṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam. That is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Ete cāṁśa-kalāḥ puṁsaḥ kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān [SB 1.3.28]. Even incarnation of God, they are part and parcel. They are bigger part. Just like we are, living entities, we are also part and parcel, viṣṇu-tattva, they are also part and parcel, but nobody can excel Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam. That is the verdict. Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1]. There are so many evidences Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme. And Kṛṣṇa Himself says, mattaḥ parataraṁ nāsti: \"There is no more superior than Me,\" in the Bhagavad-gītā. So God is one, and that is Kṛṣṇa.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Neglecting the orders of the spiritual master.\" At first we must accept a spiritual master, and then we must become initiated by the spiritual master. So to neglect the orders of the spiritual master...",
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"content": "\n Unless one is prepared that \"I am accepting somebody as my spiritual master. I must accept whatever he says,\" if there is any doubt, that \"I cannot accept his words verbatim,\" then one should not accept him as spiritual master. That is hypocrisy. One must be first of all convinced. Therefore it is the duty of the spiritual master and the disciple to associate—that is the injunction of Sanātana Gosvāmī—for some time, and both of them should study. The disciple should study, \"Whether I can accept this saintly person as my spiritual master.\" And spiritual master also will see, \"Whether I can accept this boy, this person, as my disciple.\" That is the way.\nBut sometimes the time is reduced. That doesn't matter. But the principle is this, that before accepting a spiritual master you can examine him, you can scrutinize him, but not after him, after accepting. Just like Arjuna. Arjuna was talking with Kṛṣṇa just like friend, on equal level. But when he saw that the solution is not yet done, then he surrendered unto Him: śiṣyas te 'haṁ śādhi māṁ prapannam [Bg. 2.7].\nSo after accepting as spiritual master there was no talking on the equal level. But the point where he could not understand, he put some question. Just like when He was preaching..., teaching him about the yoga system, so the yoga system is controlling the mind. So Kṛṣṇa..., Arjuna flatly said, \"My dear Kṛṣṇa, it is very difficult for me.\" Cañcalaṁ hi manaḥ kṛṣṇa pramāthi balavad dṛḍham [Bg. 6.34]: \"Oh, it is not possible. You are teaching me this haṭha-yoga system by exercising, controlling the mind. It is not possible for me.\"\nSo that was not an important thing, to practice yoga. One who practices this Kṛṣṇa consciousness yoga... Then Kṛṣṇa assured him, \"It doesn't matter. You practice. If you like, you can practice. But real yogī is he...\" He explained,\nyoginām api sarveṣāṁ\nmad-gata āntarātmanā\nśraddhāvān bhajate yo māṁ\nsa me yuktatamo...\n[Bg. 6.47]\n\"Arjuna, that's all right. If you cannot practice this yoga system, there is no harm. But the first-class yogī is he who is always keeping Me in his heart,\" thinking of Kṛṣṇa. He is first class. So that is bhakti-yoga.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Interpreting the holy... Minimizing the authority of scriptures or Vedas.\" The authority of scriptures, or Vedas, are also absolute. This is the literary incarnation of the Lord. The Vedas or the scriptures are literary incarnation of the Lord.",
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"content": "\n The example is the same: just like the conchshell. In the Vedic injunction is that you should not touch dead animal's bone. If you touch, you become impure. But Vedas say the conchshell is pure. So that is being practically observed. We followers of the Vedic injunction, we are using conchshell in the Deity room because Vedas says it is pure. You cannot argue, \"Oh, one place you said that conchshell..., the bone is impure. Oh, here I can show you the book. You have said like that.\" Oh, that nonsense will not do. Whatever is said is all right. You have to accept that. Even it is contradictory, you have to accept.\nThat is called no interpretation. That is wanted. There is meaning, but through your brain at the present moment you cannot understand. That is another thing. But you cannot say like that: \"Oh, one place you have said this conch, yes, bone of an animal is impure, and now you are saying the conchshell is pure. It is contradictory.\" So that will not do. Therefore it is said you cannot interpret in that way. That is offense. Then you will not be able to make progress. Yes.\nYes?",
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"content": "\n The next is \"Interpreting the holy name of God.\"\nThis holy name of God Kṛṣṇa, this name is absolute. Kṛṣṇa is the same as His name, His form, His pastimes, His paraphernalia and so therefore this holy name of God has the same potency as Kṛṣṇa Himself. And it says in the Nārada Pañcarātra that God is dancing on the tongue, if we just chant or sing this name Kṛṣṇa then Kṛṣṇa is dancing on the tongue. So one cannot interpret the holy name of God.\n\"Committing sin on the strength of chanting.\" This chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa wipes away the reaction of past sinful activities and destroys all of the effects of impious activities. So if one commits sin on the strength of such chanting, if one commits some impious activity and thinks, \"Oh yes simply by chanting then the bad effects will be wiped away and this will be nullified,\" now this is not bona-fide. This is a great offence, simply we must commit no sin. We must chant and we become purified. The idea is to become purified and not to become contaminated and remain in a contaminated situation.\n\"Instructing the glories of the Lord's name to the unfaithful.\" One must try and discriminate between four classes of person. The Supreme Person, the devotees, the innocent and the demons. One does not instruct the glories of the Lord's name to the unfaithful, to the demons. The demons are praetorian, in another age the demons are for killing but in this age 99% of the population are demons, so it is not possible, if the..",
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"content": "\n If you kill them, then there will be no population. [laughter] There will be nobody to pay tax. Yes.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n So as much as possible, we must try to instruct the innocent and remain aloof from the demons.\n\"Comparing the holy name with material piety.\" This holy name is the same as the Lord himself. Simply by vibration of this transcendental sound Kṛṣṇa this is elevating one to the platform of pure association of the Lord. So this is not to be confused with material piety. Simply because it may have some effect of wiping away the past sinful reactions.",
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"content": "\n Actual aim of spiritual life—to come to the stage of loving God. That is real spiritual life. If one wants to take to spiritual life for some other gain, that is not... That is offense, that \"I will chant Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. So my income is now one thousand dollar; it will be three thousand dollar.\" [chuckles] Not like that. It may be reduced [laughter] sometime. [laughs] Just like our Dayānanda is. His income is now reduced by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, but he is not giving up. That is wanted. You see?\nSometimes it is found that in incidents you will find in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, yasyānugṛhṇāmi hariṣye tad... [SB 10.88.8] Therefore sometimes people do not come to worship, because generally they say, \"The Viṣṇu worship, or Vaiṣṇavas, they are generally poor. So I don't want to be poor.\" [laughs] Yes. I was thinking like that. [laughter]\nWhen my Guru Mahārāja ordered me... When I was manager in Bose's laboratory, so he ordered me. So I thought, \"Oh, I cannot do this. I cannot accept this sannyāsa.\" But he was so kind, and he is so kind still. Then he forced me, that \"You must do it,\" taking..., pulling my ear, he brought me to this life. In the beginning I was not willing. So it is his causeless mercy upon me. That I can understand now. I can understand now how much I have been relieved by accepting this life. So sometimes we find that our income is reduced.\nThere is a story—that's very interesting—that one doctor, medical man, came to a gentleman's house, and there were two patients: the lady, the wife of that gentleman, and the maidservant. So the doctor examined and informed to the proprietor that \"Your wife's fever is only 100. That's not very... But your maidservant's fever is 104. So she has to be taken little care of.\" So when the wife heard, she...\n[break] So we want like that. This material civilization is like that, to increase the temperature to 108 and then atom bomb fall. You see? That is going on. We should not... Yāvad artha-prayojanam. We should not try for increasing simply the material comforts. No. That is not our business. That is 108 degree. Then death. But yāvad artha-vinirṇayam. As far as we want, we must take, that much, not more than that. Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā [Īśo mantra 1], the same verse. Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā. Whatever prasādam you are offered by the grace of the Lord, you accept. Don't take anything more. That is our motto.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"To become inattentive while chanting the holy name.\" One must remain attentive.",
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"content": "\n Yes. This is very important. When you will chant, you'll hear also. Then your attention will be there. And you are chanting and you are thinking something else, oh, that is also another offense. You should be careful. Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare. If you cannot hear, then you will chant loudly, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. So you must hear. That is wanted. Otherwise you will be inattentive. That is offense.\nGo on.",
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"content": "\n \"Attachment to material things in spite of chanting the holy name.\"",
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"content": "\n Yes. That attachment means by chanting holy name we have to decrease the fever. But if we increase the fever, attachment... Material attachment means increasing the fever. And we are trying to detach from the, because our conditioned life is continuing because we are so much attached to the materialistic way of life. So by the by, as we chant, we shall try ourself. That means simple life. Unnecessarily we should not increase our demands of life. Then it will be nice.\nGo on. Finish.",
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"content": "\n [devotees repeating] Vande aham... [break]",
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"content": "\n I will give. So Dr. Rao, your spiritual name is Rāmānanda. Yes. This Rāmānanda, he was also Rāya, Rāmānanda Rāya, a great devotee of Lord Caitanya and governor of Madras. So Caitanya Mahāprabhu picked up a very important persons, the six Gosvāmīs, Rāmānanda Rāya, Sārvabhauma Bhaṭṭācārya, like that, eight or ten direct disciples. And later on they preached the whole thing.\nIn the Bhagavad-gītā there is a verse, yad yad ācarati śreṣṭha itaras tad anuvartate [Bg. 3.21]. If a śreṣṭha, if an important man, acts in some way, others follow. That is natural. So by the grace of Lord Caitanya we are meeting, and you have got great responsibility, because...\nYou came here to take your doctorate degree. That's very nice. When one of my Godbrothers went to England during my Guru Mahārāja's time, so Lady Willingdon, she challenged that Godbrother that \"Your men from India, they come here, and we give them some degree, and they become big men there. So what you have got to teach us?\" That was her challenge.\nActually, that has become the mentality of Indians at the present moment, that \"One has to go to the foreign countries, take some technological degree and then impart the knowledge in India. Then we become big... And let us sacrifice our own culture.\" That is the mentality now. So your example... You have got by the grace of Lord some foreign degrees.\nIf you present this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement in India, many persons will follow. So you think in that way and try to understand our philosophy. You are very nice boy. And India's condition is not very satisfactory at the present moment. They are misled. So I came here with that purpose also, that \"This movement I cannot start. They will not accept. But if I go to America, if the Americans accept and they preach, then they will accept.\"\nSo that position has somehow or other come. So you together... It is not meant for either for American or Indian; it is meant for the whole human society. They are suffering grievously for want of this consciousness. So every one of us has got a great duty to broadcast this knowledge of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Bhagavad-gītā...\nOur Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is based on Bhagavad-gītā. It is very widely read all over the world. Simply the rascals, they have misinterpreted. Now we have to give the right interpretation and present what is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is our duty.\nSo I know that you'll soon return to India, so Lord Caitanya and Lord Kṛṣṇa is giving you a great responsibility. Try to serve Them to your best capacity. Thank you. So this is your chant...? Yes. Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nSo next, what is your name?",
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"content": "\n Georgina.",
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"content": "\n Georgina. So your spiritual name is Gunamayī. Gunamayī... Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī [Bg. 7.14]. Guṇamayī is the name of the energy of Lord. Woman is the energy of man. Similarly, we are all energies. A man works very hard, being energized by his wife or mother. That is the history of the whole world.\nAny big man, behind that big man is a woman, either mother or wife, especially. You have heard the name of Vidya-sagara Pandit. The background was his mother. Gandhi, the background was his mother. Now, this Lord Willingdon, the background was his wife. So woman has got a very responsible duty, to energize man with Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nSo you are young girl. I am very happy that you have come to this. Try to execute this energy. That will be your duty. You know what are the restrictions?",
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"content": "\n No meat-eating, no illicit sex, no intoxication [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Thank you. So take your... So what is your name?",
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"content": "\nI asked this, what is your name? Georgina?",
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"content": "\nGeorgina.",
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"content": "\nNo, now what is your spiritual name? Immediately forgot? [laughter] Guṇamayī. Guṇamayī. Daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14]. Guṇamayī means qualities, full of qualities. So this material nature is..., has got three qualities: sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa. This is also guṇamayī. And the spiritual nature also has got three qualities—sandhinī, saṁvit and... What is called, other?",
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"content": "\n Hlādinī.",
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"content": "\n Ahlādinī, yes. Sandhinī, saṁvit and ahlādinī. So both of them are guṇamayī. The spiritual nature is horrible for the conditioned soul, but she is not horrible for Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says, mama māyā, daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā [Bg. 7.14]. So everyone Kṛṣṇa's..., related with Kṛṣṇa is not..., he or she is not horrible.\nJust like a police department is horrible for the criminals and not for the president. The president is not afraid of the police department, because the police department is under his control. Similarly, this material nature with three qualities, sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa, it is horrible for the conditioned soul.\nTherefore, if anyone surrenders to Kṛṣṇa—mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti [Bg. 7.14]—immediately he overcomes the horrible feature of this material nature. Otherwise, if one does not come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, if one does not surrender to Kṛṣṇa, this material nature is horrible.\nSo therefore in both ways the spiritual nature or the material nature, they are guṇamayī. And the difference is that when one is conditioned, he is under the material nature guṇamayī, and when he is liberated, he is under the spiritual nature guṇamayī. But both of them are guṇamayī.\nSo your name is Holly? Eh? Yes. So your spiritual name is Herā-pañcamī. Herā-pañcamī is the auspicious energy of Jagannātha Svāmī. Yes. So you worship Jagannātha Svāmī very nicely.\nSo now you can... So? There is no dakṣiṇā? Ghee?",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes. We have dakṣiṇā.",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa. So who will keep this? You give? Now perform the yajña and let us finish. Yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtanaiḥ prāyair yajanti hi su-medhasaḥ [SB 11.5.32]. Real yajña is Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra. [japa]\n[continuation of fire sacrifice mantras] [japa]\n[kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] [end]",
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"content": "\n [introducing recording] Prabhupāda's morning lecture of the 12th February, 1971, at the new place, Niketana, Śrī Kṛṣṇa-niketana, in Gorakhpur.",
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"content": "\n\nbhūtāni viṣṇoḥ sura-pūjitāni\ndurdarśa-liṅgāni mahādbhutāni\nrakṣanti tad-bhaktimataḥ parebhyo\nmattaś ca martyān atha sarvataś ca\n[SB 6.3.18]\nSo the devotees are protected by the Viṣṇudūtas always, constantly. They are invisibly wandering all over the universe. We may see or not see, because we cannot see spiritual body with these material eyes. So even we do not see, the Viṣṇudūta is always protecting the devotees from the enemies.\nAs I have explained yesterday, devotees will have enemies. Kṛṣṇa had enemies. This world is such: envious. Ordinarily, they are envious. The whole world is full of enviousness. Even the greatest personalities like Indra, he is also envious. If somebody is undergoing great austerities, the Indra becomes envious. Just like Viśvāmitra. Viśvāmitra was meditating by the yoga process.\nImmediately Indra became disturbed: \"Oh, this man is practicing so much severe austerities. He may capture my post some day. So this man must be curbed down immediately.\" Just like in political party, everyone is thinking, \"Oh, this man is becoming greater than me. So he should be curbed down; he should be checked. Otherwise, some day he may occupy my ministership.\" This is the position of the world. Everyone is envious.\nSo the devotees have, I mean to say, enemies. But the Viṣṇudūta protects, as Kṛṣṇa says, that kaunteya pratijānīhi na me bhaktaḥ praṇaśyati [Bg. 9.31]: \"My dear Arjuna, you can declare on My behalf that a devotee will never be... A pure devotee...\" Always remember—a pure devotee. Devotee means a pure devotee. Contaminated devotee is different.\nDvidha[?]-bhakta and śuddha-bhakta. Those who are contaminated with material desires, with fruitive activities and mental speculation, they are contaminated devotees. They are not pure devotees. Pure devotees means anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Brs. 1.1.11], no material desire, no action and fruitive activities, no mental speculation. So he is pure devotee.\nSo that pure devotee in transcendental position is always protected by the Lord. And His Viṣṇudūta is wandering everywhere. Just like Ajāmila. As soon as he was arrested by the Yamadūtas, immediately they approached. So as there are different police department—military police department, civil police department—similarly, there is transcendental police department. Don't be afraid. Yes. Here it is stated. So simply we have to be sincere devotee, and all protection will be given by Kṛṣṇa.\nSo rakṣanti bhakti, tad-bhaktimataḥ parebhyo mattaś ca. Now, Yamarāja says mattaś ca. Not only from the enemies, but mattaḥ, means \"my men,\" the Yamadūtas. Because they were surprised. The Yamadūtas were surprised: \"How is that? Some four-handed, very good looking persons came and checked our duty.\" So therefore Yamarāja said that \"The devotees are protected from the Yamadūtas, by the men of Yamarāja.\" Mattaś ca, martyān atha sarvataś ca. Therefore a devotee has nothing to fear. He is protected from the attack of enemies, from the attack of Yamadūtas. How is that? There are many hundreds and thousands of instances—Prahlāda Mahārāja, Haridāsa Ṭhākura...\nBut don't think that a devotee will not have enemies. A devotee may have anything. Oh, he may be attacked by enemies. He may be attacked with severe type of diseases and so many things. But he will be protected. That is the difference between a devotee and a nondevotee. A nondevotee is neglected. That is stated by Prahlāda Mahārāja, that people may discover so many antibiotics or antiseptics for giving protection, or \"anti\" measures, but unless he is given protection by Kṛṣṇa, all those \"anti\" devices will not protect, help him. That is certain.\nTherefore we should take protection only of Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise, our all protective measures will fail. Rāvaṇa..., when Rāvaṇa was attacked by Rāmacandra... He was a great devotee of Lord Śiva, so he began to pray. Because life and death question, he was praying to Lord Śiva, \"Please save me. I have served you so much.\" Rāvaṇa was so great devotee of Lord Śiva that he sometimes cut his head and offered to Lord Śiva. So... And Śiva was thinking very deeply what to do.\nAnd Pārvatī was requesting that \"Your such a great devotee, he is in danger, and he is asking your help, and you are sitting idly? You are doing nothing? How is that?\" Lord Śiva replied that \"It is not possible to protect him. It is not possible for me.\" So as a woman, sympathetic, she came out, and that \"If you cannot protect, then I shall go and protect Rāvaṇa.\" But she also could not protect. Therefore there is a... It is a verse, māre kṛṣṇa rākhe ke: \"If Kṛṣṇa desires to kill somebody, nobody can protect.\" And rākhe kṛṣṇa māre ke: \"And if Kṛṣṇa protects somebody, nobody can kill.\" This is the process. Mattaś ca martyān atha sarvataś ca.\nDharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19]. Now, the Yamadūtas may be in doubt, that \"You are Dharmarāja. You are the protector of all religious principles. You are entrusted. So how your business can be interfered by the Yamadūtas [Viṣṇudūtas]?\" So Yamarāja is explaining what is real dharma. This is very important. Dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam.\n[aside:] You can take sleep over here. Don't be inattentive. Better sleep.\nDharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītaṁ na vai vidur ṛṣayo nāpi devāḥ [SB 6.3.19]. Dharma means... This is authority. Yamarāja is authority. What is dharma? What is religion? Now, he says—he is authority—\"Dharma means what is enacted by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is dharma.\" Dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītaṁ na vai vidur ṛṣayaḥ: \"The essence of dharma is not known even to the great sages.\" Na vai vidur ṛṣayo nāpi devāḥ: \"Not by the demigods.\"\nNow, the authority, Dharmarāja, says that dharma cannot be manufactured by anybody, even great sages or demigods. But nowadays everyone is manufacturing a dharma, and the so-called rascals, they are supporting that \"As many opinions there are, all of them are good.\" Yata mata tata patha. That is the preaching of the Ramakrishna Mission, that \"Anyone can manufacture his own. It is personal.\" Is it not? And I have seen in your country also this, the same opinion he gave, that \"Everyone has got his personal religion.\" And there is the hippies also. They are against any organized religion. These things are going on.\nBut here, we see, dharma means... Of course, it is a fact that you cannot make an organized religion by your concoction. So actually those who are religious, they have no difference opinion, because religion means enacted by God. God is one. So not that God makes one kind of religion for one kind of person and another kind of religion for another person. Real dharma is, as the Supreme Personality of Godhead says, that \"Don't manufacture your own religion. Simply surrender unto Me, the one God.\" That is dharma. \nDharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam [SB 6.3.19]. Whatever the Supreme Personality says \"This is dharma,\" that is dharma. The same example, as I have given: law means which is enacted by the king or the government. You cannot manufacture laws by your whims. That is not possible. No. What to speak of you, here it is said, \"Even great sages like Vyāsadeva, Nārada, they cannot also manufacture religion. And what to speak of the ordinary devas?\" The Brahmā... Brahmā is the topmost of all the demigods. He cannot also manufacture religion. Nobody can. Here it is stated,\ndharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītaṁ\nna vai vidur ṛṣayo nāpi devāḥ\nna siddha-mukhyā asurā manuṣyāḥ\nkuto nu vidyādhara-cāraṇādayaḥ\n[SB 6.3.19]\nSo when such great personalities... Na siddha-mukhyāḥ. Siddha-mukhyāḥ means the... There is a Siddhaloka. They are all yogīs. They have got all the eight kinds of yogic perfection, Siddhaloka. Therefore they are called siddhas. They have got all the siddhis—bhukti, mukti, siddhi. Siddhi means perfection. So far as material world is concerned, a siddha can have anything he desires. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is called Yogeśvara. By yogic power one can have anything he desires. But that is not possible in this material world, but people try to achieve as far as possible these yogic powers. They are called eight kinds of siddhis, perfection.\nSo there is a planet which is called Siddhaloka. So here it is meant, siddha-mukhyāḥ. Mukhya means the chief of the siddhas. So they also cannot manufacture religion. Although they have got all the perfections of material existence, still, they cannot. Now, in this world, just like in Christian religion also... Because in... What is that king? John? He did not like that one man cannot marry more than once. He started the Protestant religion. Is it not?",
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"content": "\n King Henry, he did it [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n That means because... Or whatever it may be, he thought, \"Because I am king, I can start a religion.\" So that is not possible. Dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītaṁ na vai vidur ṛṣayo nāpi devāḥ, na siddha-mukhyā asurā manuṣyāḥ [SB 6.3.19].\n[aside:] If somebody dozes, it gives me too much pain. And I asked you to go and sleep. It disturbs me, too much disturbs me. I tell you frankly. When I speak, or when I speak if somebody dozes, better not to sit. Sleep twenty-four hours, but don't make show like that: \"I am sitting here and dozing.\" This is very much disturbing to me. Better frankly sleep. Why this should be? I do not know. What is the reason? You don't have full sleep? And if you don't have sleep, then extend. You make it eight o'clock. But sleep sufficiently. If six hours', seven hours' sleep is not sufficient, sleep thirteen hours, fourteen hours. But don't make dozing like this.\nSo Yamarāja says, \"My dear boys,\" that... [reads commentary:] Tam eva dharmam ity aha etavani na ca pramāṇaṁ vaktavyam drstatyady aha nama-sarana iti yenaiva kevalayam sakrd ity aditena.[?] So Yamarāja says that \"Nobody can manufacture, even the great sages or demigods, or the chief of the siddhas, who have attained all kinds of perfections, and what to speak of others?\" This is very important verse, that any manufactured religion, that is not religion. That is not... The principle of religion is our relationship with God. In any religion where is no such conception, that is not religion. This is bhāgavata-dharma, direct relationship with Kṛṣṇa, or the Supreme Personality.\nThis Kṛṣṇa consciousness is specially teaching this, I mean to say, fact, direct relationship with Kṛṣṇa. Na siddha-mukhyā asurāḥ, asurā manuṣyāḥ. Asurāḥ means they are also very powerful, but almost atheists. Just like in the modern world there are many powerful men and materially advanced. Many powerful men. But because they are godless—they have no sense of God—they are called asuras. The example is Rāvaṇa, Hiraṇyakaśipu. And manuṣyāḥ, manuṣyāḥ, ordinary men.\nSo everyone is described here, that nobody can. You cannot say, \"If the asuras cannot, then the demigods can, or the human society can, or the siddhas can.\" No. Everybody is denied, that \"Nobody can manufacture the principles of religion.\" Kuto nu vidyādhara-cāraṇādayaḥ. There is a planet which is inhabited by the Vidyādharas and Cāraṇa. They are very expert in singing. Vidyādhara-cāraṇādayaḥ.\nThen he says... Then who knows the secret of religion? He describes: svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ [SB 6.3.20]. Just like there are entrusted bodies in every department, in every state, similarly, Kṛṣṇa, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He has got also several very faithful or confidential, confidential authorities who can speak about religion. Therefore paramparā system is so necessary, disciplic succession. Kṛṣṇa has got direct confidential servants. They know what is religion.\nTherefore it is said, mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. If we are puzzled about the principles of religion, then we must follow the mahājanas. Mahājana. These mahājanas are described here. Who is mahājana? Svayambhū. Svayambhū means Brahmā. Svayambhū. He is called Svayambhū. Svayambhū means \"one who is born by himself.\" Of course, he is not born by himself, but he is not ordinarily born. Just like a child is born by the sex intercourse of the father and the mother, Brahmā is not born like that.\nThere was no sex intercourse to beget Brahmā. Therefore he is called Svayambhū. Svayambhū. Automatically he has come out. He has come out from the father without the help of the mother. Therefore he is called Svayambhū. You know that there was a lotus flower from the navel of Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, and within that lotus flower, Brahmā appeared. Therefore he is called Svayambhū.\nSvayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ [SB 6.3.20]. Svayambhū, and next, Nārada. Nārada is mahājana. Svayambhū is mahājana. Śambhu, Lord Śiva, is mahājana. Kumāra, the four Kumāras, Sanaka, Sanātana, they are also mahājanas. And these four, they have got their disciplic succession: from Brahmā, the Brahma-sampradāya; from Śambhu, Viṣṇu Svāmī sampradāya; from Lakṣmī, Śrī-sampradāya; and from Kumāra, this Nimbārka-sampradāya. Sampradāya-vihīnā ye mantrās te niṣphalā matāḥ. Unless one who comes through the sampradāya, their principles are not authorized.\nAnd Kṛṣṇa also says, evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg. 4.2]. Paramparā, sampradāya. Kṛṣṇa also says. So this is very important. Unless one comes to the disciplic succession, anything he prescribes, that is null and void. It is not to be accepted. Svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kumāraḥ kapilo manuḥ prahlādaḥ [SB 6.3.20]. Prahlāda, Mahārāja Prahlāda, he is also.\nSo how they have become mahājana, that is also described. Mahājana means one who can sacrifice everything for the sake of the Supreme Lord. Prahlāda Mahārāja, he personally saw that the father is killed before him. But from material point of view, this is the most abominable, I mean to say, incident, that a son is seeing that his father is being killed before him without any protest. Similarly, Bali Mahārāja, he gave up the connection of his spiritual master. To give up the connection with spiritual master, that is also most abominable.\nSo these people became mahājanas because as soon as they saw that \"My father or my spiritual master is against the Supreme Personality of Godhead, such person immediately should be given up.\" Jīva Gosvāmī says... In Indian..., according to Indian custom, there is a family spiritual master, family priest, family spiritual master. So Jīva Gosvāmī says that for advancement of spiritual life, one should give up the family spiritual master if he is not competent and accept actually a bona fide spiritual master.\nBecause people are under impression that... Impression... It is a fact that one cannot give up the connection of the spiritual master. That is a great sin. But Jīva Gosvāmī says that if your family spiritual master does not help you in your matter of making progress in spiritual life, then you should give up his connection and accept a bona fide spiritual master. That is their direction. Gurur apy avaliptasya kāryākāryam ajānataḥ, parityāgo vidhīyate: \"If a spiritual master is not competent to help the disciple to make progress nicely, or if he goes against...\"\nJust like spiritual master of Bali Mahārāja, he tried to advise his disciple Bali Mahārāja not to give to Viṣṇu. Viṣṇu, as Vāmanadeva, came to ask some alms from the Bali Mahārāja, \"Give Me some alms. I want three feet of land.\" And Śukrācārya prohibited: \"He is Viṣṇu. He is asking you three feet of land, but He will take everything from you.\" So in this way, he was against this charity. And when Bali Mahārāja understood that \"For his personal interest, he is going against Viṣṇu,\" he immediately gave up his connection.\nSimilarly, the gopīs also, they flaunted the social law. At midnight they left their husbands and home and came to Kṛṣṇa. There are so many instances. For Kṛṣṇa's sake they sacrificed everything. They became, I mean to say, social outcaste. They transgressed the laws of the Vedas. But because they did it for Kṛṣṇa, they have been accepted as mahājanas, as authorities.\nSo prahlādo janako bhīṣmo balir vaiyāsakir vayam. These are twelve mahājanas. Just remember. The first one is Lord Brahmā, the second is Nārada, the third is Lord Śiva, and the fourth, the Kumāras, and the five, Kapila, and then Manu, Vaivasvata Manu. Imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam, vivasvān manave prāha [Bg. 4.1\n]\n. This Manu, he is also mahājana. This, this time is going on, Vaivasvata Manu. Vivasvān manave prāha. Manu is also mahājana, Prahlāda Mahārāja, and Janaka, Janaka Mahārāja, the father of Mother Sītā, he is also mahājana. And Bhīṣma.\nBhīṣma, the Grandfather Bhīṣma, he is also mahājana. Therefore Bhīṣma's instruction in the Bhāgavata should be taken seriously. And on his deathbed he instructed Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, and Kṛṣṇa also heard. So these are mahājanas. Bhīṣmo baliḥ, Bali Mahārāja. Vaiyāsaki, Śukadeva Gosvāmī, the son of Vyāsadeva, he is mahājana. And vayam. Vayam means Yamarāja himself. He says, \"We are also.\"\nThen he says, guhyaṁ viśuddhaṁ durbodhaṁ yaṁ jñātvā amṛtam aśnute. Dvādaśaite vijānīmo dharmaṁ bhāgavataṁ bhaṭāḥ: \"My dear boys, these twelve men...\" Dvādaśa. Two and ten, dvādaśa. Dvādaśaite vijānīmaḥ: \"We know what are the principles of dharma. We know, we twelve personalities, authorities.\" Dharmaṁ bhāgavatam. Dharmam means bhāgavata-dharma, the relationship with God and the living entity. That is dharma. Bhāgavataṁ bhaṭāḥ, guhyaṁ viśuddham: \"This is very confidential and without any material contamination,\" durbodham, \"and very difficult to understand the principles of religion. Very difficult.\"\nThey are reading Bhagavad-gītā so many years together, but when the question comes that \"Surrender unto Me,\" they cannot understand. Durbodham: \"It is very difficult to understand.\" Durbodhaṁ yaṁ jñātvā: \"But fortunately, if anyone understands, jñātvā...\" Jñātvā means \"If anyone understands,\" amṛtam aśnute, \"he can drink the nectarine.\" If actually one understands the religious principle, he becomes, I mean to say, free from all material contamination. Amṛtam aśnute: \"He is a fit candidate to drink the nectar of devotion.\" Amṛtam aśnute. \nEtāvān eva loke 'smin puṁsāṁ dharmaḥ paraḥ smṛtaḥ. Now, what is the best principle of executing dharma, religion? So he says, etāvān eva loke 'smin: \"Especially in this material world,\" puṁsāṁ dharmaḥ paraḥ smṛtaḥ, \"this is the first-class religious principle.\" What is that? Bhakti-yogo bhagavati: \"Of rendering devotional service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead.\" That is first-class religion. Bhakti-yogo bhagavati tan-nāma-grahaṇādibhiḥ. Tan-nāma. And how it begins? \"Simply by chanting His holy name.\" These are the authoritative statements of Yamarāja. Tam eva dharmam etāvān iti. This is dharma.\nSo our movement, the chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa, that is authorized. Here it is stated, tan-nāma-grahaṇādibhiḥ. And you have seen that our..., in Back to Godhead, Hayagrīva has also quoted many passages from Bible, the chanting, Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra chanting. So this chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa, or God, is authorized. And actually the effect is being felt, because we are advised to execute this kind of religious principle according to the law, offenseless, and avoiding these four regulative principles. Simply by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and observing these rules and regulation, one is sure to go to home, go to back to Godhead. There is no doubt about it.\nnāmoccāraṇa-māhātmyaṁ\nhareḥ paśyata putrakāḥ\najāmilo 'pi yenaiva\nmṛtyu-pāśād amucyata\n[SB 6.3.23]\nThen he says the assistants, \"My dear boys, just see how much powerful is the chanting of the holy name of God is that this Ajāmila, he did not directly mean to chant the holy name of Kṛṣṇa, Nārāyaṇa, but indirectly, because he chanted the name of Nārāyaṇa, although this Nārāyaṇa was not the original Nārāyaṇa, his son, but it is so effective that he also became delivered.\" Nāmoccāraṇa-māhātmyaṁ hareḥ paśyata putrakāḥ, ajāmilo 'pi yenaiva mṛtyu-pāśāt: \"He was saved from the imminent danger of death and being carried away by the Yamadūtas.\"\nI think we have covered. Na tatra pramāṇaṁ vaktavyam:[?] \"How powerful is the holy name of Kṛṣṇa, or God, there is no need of evidences. Just see practically how it is being done.\" And Śrīdhara Svāmī says that na tatra pramāṇam vaktavyaṁ dṛṣṭaḥ syād ity āha nāmoccāraṇeti yenaiva kevalena sakṛd uccaritena.[?] Once he uttered, simply, \"Nārāyaṇa...\" That's a fact. Once uttered, the holy name of God, without any offense, without any motive, immediately makes one free from this material world.\nAny question?",
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"content": "\n Does one have to be a pure devotee to be a...? The twelve authorities, are they all pure devotees?",
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"content": "\n Why do you ask this question? Huh? You have no sense. Without pure devotee, how they became authority? You are ask the question, \"Is Mr. Rockefeller a rich man?\" Your question is like that. He is known a very rich man, and he has foundation. If you ask, \"Is he a rich man?\" is that very intelligent question? Unless pure devotee, how they are authorized?",
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"content": "\n What I was wondering about was the four Kumāras were [indistinct]. And I wanted to ask about Lord Kapila.",
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"content": "\n Kapilo manuḥ.",
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"content": "\n They weren't pure devotees right from..., they weren't devotees right from the first. The Nectar of Devotion says that the four Kumāras were first situated in the...",
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"content": "\n Right from the... What do you mean by \"right from the first\"? What do you mean by that? Just like Rūpa Gosvāmī. Rūpa Gosvāmī was a minister of Muhammadan government. So what is his position? He was minister, he was working under government service, and he was rejected by the brāhmaṇa community. Then how he became gosvāmī?",
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"content": "\n Beginning... Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura was a magistrate. What do you mean by \"beginning\"? As soon as he is situated in his own original position, then he is pure devotee. That's all. It doesn't matter what he has done in the past. It is called nagna-mātṛkā. Nagna-mātṛkā, that one's mother was naked in her childhood. So one is asking, \"Mother, why you are putting on those sārīs? You were naked. You can remain naked.\"\nThis kind of argument is no argument. Whatever one may be in his past, that's all right. As soon as he is situated in pure devotee, devotional state, that's all. One hasn't got to inquire \"from the beginning\" or \"from the end.\" There is no need of such inquiry. As soon as he is situated in his original position, hitvā anyathā-rūpaṁ svarūpeṇa vyavasthitiḥ [SB 2.10.6], gives up nondevotional activities, but is situated in devotional service, immediately he is all right, pure devotee. Doesn't matter whether he was in the beginning. Because even a person, ordinary person, ordinarily, he is not contaminated. He lives aloof from this material existence. But for sometimes, even if he is influenced, that doesn't matter. As soon as he comes to his real position, he is a pure devotee.\nThere is no question of tracing his past history. There is no question. You be situated in pure devotional service; you are pure devotee. That's all. There is no question of inquiring what he was in the past. That doesn't matter. Is it clear? Yes. Just like Ajāmila. In the past history he, simply sinful, Jagāi-Mādhāi, simply sinful, but as soon as they come to the position of pure devotional life, he is pure. That's all. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Kumāra-sampradāya, yes. Kumāra-sampradāya. That is called Nimbārka-sampradāya. Nimbārka. N-i-m-b-a-r-k-a. Nimbārka-sampradāya.",
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"content": "\n And Janaka, isn't he...?",
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"content": "\n Janaka. Janaka Mahārāja. Yes. King Janaka. He's the father of Sītā, Janaka Mahārāja. He was a great king, but he had no attachment. Even great sages used to go to learn from him about spiritual affairs. He was so..., such a great personality, although he was a king and gṛhastha. All of them are gṛhasthas. Lord Svayambhū, Brahmā, he is also gṛhastha. Nārada is brahmacārī. Śambhu, he is also gṛhastha; he has his wife. Svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ kapilaḥ [SB 6.3.20], he is also gṛhastha. Kumāraḥ, they are brahmacārīs. And Manu, he is also gṛhastha, Prahlāda Mahārāja, gṛhastha; Janaka, gṛhastha; Bhīṣma, brahmacārī; and Yamarāja, a gṛhastha. So the number of gṛhasthas are greater than the brahmacārīs, but they are mahājanas.\nIt doesn't matter whether he is a gṛhastha or brahmacārī. Just like we are practically following. We are giving equal rights to everyone. Either gṛhastha or brahmacārī or sannyāsī, the main center is Kṛṣṇa. One who is advanced in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is all right. It doesn't matter what he is. That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's recommendation.\nkibā śūdra, kibā vipra, nyāsī kene naya\nyei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā, sei 'guru' haya\n[Cc. Madhya 8.128]\nAnyone who is conversant, well conversant in the science of Kṛṣṇa, he is guru. He is mahājana. He is following actually the mahājanas.",
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"content": "\n In the Bhāgavatam and also in the Teachings of Lord Caitanya you talk about the oṁkāra and tat tvam asi [Chāndogya Upaniṣad 6.8.7] vibration. Now, the impersonalists improperly emphasize tat tvam asi over the original oṁkāra. I was wondering what are the significance of these two vibrations, and what is their relationship to Kṛṣṇa? What is tat tvam asi?",
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"content": "\n Oṁkāra is Kṛṣṇa also. Kṛṣṇa is everything. Why not oṁkāra? So tat tvam asi means \"You are the same.\" Tat tvam asi. That means you are spirit soul. So what is the objection? And for every Vedic mantra, the oṁkāra is there. Praṇāma. Every Vedic mantra. Just like we also chant oṁ tad viṣṇoḥ paramam. Oṁ bhūr bhuvaḥ svaḥ tat savitur vareṇyam. So every Vedic mantra is preceded by the oṁkāra.\nSo who is going to mop these two rooms? The ladies should. Yes. It is the ladies' business. Ladies' business. First after this, cleansing of the [indistinct]. Then get some flowers, change dress. This is the procedure. And then offer breakfast. In this way. Very good. [end]",
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"content": "\nI think the first question is kind of basic, is why is everything always taped at all the...",
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"content": "\n Because we have got so many branches, they want to hear me, my singing, my speech; therefore they record it and send it to different branches. We have got thirteen, fourteen branches: one in New York, one in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Buffalo, Boston, Montreal, Vancouver, London, Hamburg. We have got so many branches.",
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"content": "\nWhat are the basic beliefs of the Kṛṣṇa religion?",
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"content": "\n Kṛṣṇa means God. God, this word, does not explain the nomenclature of God. Now this Kṛṣṇa is Sanskrit word, and it conveys the full meaning of God. Kṛṣṇa means all-attractive. All-attractive means He is full of all opulences. In this world we are attracted by one who is very rich, we are attracted by one who is very famous, we are attracted by one who is very highly educated, we are attracted by someone who is very beautiful.\nSimilarly, these are features of attraction. And when all these attractions are reposed in one place without any rivalry, He is God. That is the conception of God. So Kṛṣṇa means all these six opulences in fullness together. That is the full definition of God.",
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"content": "\nWhat effect to the followers does chanting give? I heard from one that it transports them to a utopian-type situation. I wondered if you could elaborate on that a little more.",
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"content": "\n Which situation?",
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"content": "\nUtopian-like, where there is no harm, no..., all is good, and...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Now, this our process is chanting. It is very innocent. If you sit down and chant with us, you have no loss, no harm, but there is great gain. You see? By chanting, you gradually cleanse your heart and you can realize what is God. That is the greatest gain.\nHuman life is meant for knowing God. The animals, they cannot know, although the bodily demands of the animal and the human being are the same. The animals, they sleep; man also sleeps. Animal, they eat; man also eats. The animal, they are also afraid of some enemy; man is also afraid of some enemy. The animals, they mate with the opposite sex, and men also do that. But what is the special significance of man?\nHe can understand about God, but the animal cannot. Therefore if a man does not take to this understanding, he is no better than animal. A man who has no God consciousness, or Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is no better than animal, because he has no other business than the four principles of bodily demands. So that is also prevalent in animal kingdom.\nTherefore this is a privilege for human being, to understand about God, and as such, in every human society there is some sort of religious principle. This religious principle means to understand God. Either you take it Christianity or Judaism or Hinduism, every religion is trying to understand God according to their capacity. So without this understanding, means Kṛṣṇa consciousness, a human life is as good as animal life.",
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"content": "\nDo you believe that other religions have some truth to them, because they all are...",
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"content": "\n I have already told that religion means searching after God, every religion. The process may be different. The audience may be different. Just like in Christianity there is conception of God, \"God created this world.\" So this is a fact. We also say. But we say in very lucid explanation from the Vedas. We don't stop, simply saying, \"God created,\" but how created, how things developed, these descriptions are there in the Vedic literature. That is the difference. Otherwise there is no difference of opinion.\nThe Christian accept God created this world; the Jewish religion, they also accept God created this world; the Muslims, they also accept God created this world; we also accept God created this world. So \"God is the supreme; God is great,\" that is accepted by everyone. But the only difference is that we give details so that modern mind, who are advanced in education and scientific knowledge, they can understand, whereas others, they cannot give in detail.\nTherefore they are deviating gradually, because the modern, advanced, educated person, they want to know how God created this world, and that description is lacking. But we can give that. That is the difference. Otherwise the primary principle, to understand God—God is great; we are small, tiny; we are subordinate; we are maintained by God—this idea is everywhere.",
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"content": "\nYes, well, what is your explanation of the creation of the world?",
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"content": "\n Oh, that is a huge thing. That we have to see to the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that God expanded Himself first of all in Mahā-Viṣṇu. He lied down on the Causal Ocean. And while He was in sleeping mood, from His breathing, innumerable universes came into existence. Then each and every universe, Mahā-Viṣṇu entered. Then again He lied down there, and from Him the first creature, Brahmā, generated. Then Brahmā created other planets.\nFirst there was creation of sound. From the sound, the sky came into existence. From the sky, air came into existence. From air, fire came into existence. From fire, water came into existence, and from water, this land developed. In this way, there are very detailed description in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. So we have to take it that way.",
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"content": "\nWere you born in this country, or were you born in...",
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"content": "\n No. I was born in India, Calcutta. My birthplace is Calcutta.",
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"content": "\nWhen did you come to this country?",
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"content": "\n I came here in September, 1965.",
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"content": "\nDid you come with the purpose of spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. I am an ordained minister for preaching this missionary activities. So I came here in September, 1965. Then, for one year, I was traveling in many parts of your country. In the beginning I was in Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh, and then I went to Philadelphia. Then I came to New York. And in this way I was traveling; not very much. And in 1966, in July 1st, I started my class in New York at 26 Second Avenue.\nThat is my first starting. Then the younger generation began to come to me, and they started the San Francisco branch, Montreal branch. In this way the institution is going. And we have sent our students to Europe also. They have already started one branch in London, one in Hamburg. And we have sent our students in Honolulu. They have started a branch there.\nSo our program is to start several..., as many branches as possible to spread this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. And it is very easy. We simply invite persons to come and chant with us. It doesn't matter what he is, what is his language, what is his religion. We don't take into account all these things. And this Hare Kṛṣṇa is so easy to utter that any man can utter. That we have experienced. Any part of the world we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, and they can very easily imitate and chant. Even child, they also.\nSo by chanting, he gradually becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious. His heart becomes cleansed and he can understand what is science of Kṛṣṇa, what is science of God. Then he automatically offers himself for initiation. Then we initiate him and guide him in different ways. But our students are strictly forbidden to have illicit sex life or meat-eating or intoxication or gambling. These four things are strictly forbidden for our students. And they take it seriously. We get our... In your country boys and girls, they live as friend. I don't allow that.\nIf there is such friendship, I immediately ask them, if they become my student, I immediately ask them to be married. And this experiment has proved very successful. I got these young boys and girls married, and they are very happily living, and husband and wife, they are preaching. All my students in London—there are six boys and girls—they were married by me, and they are very doing nice..., doing very nicely.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is very nice in everywhere, especially in this country. That is my opinion. And people will be benefited, especially the younger section who were feeling frustration in every respect, and they are now happy. It is practical. Just ask any one of my students how they are happy.\nYou have seen in our temple how happily they are living and dancing from their face. Face is the index of mind. You will understand from their face how happy they are feeling. They are not smoking. They are not taking marijuana or are taking... No. This nonsense we don't allow. Simple food and chanting. That makes them happy. Simple thing.",
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"content": "\n[aside] Just a minute. I'll change the speed on this. Should work a bit better.\nI notice that most of your followers, at least in this temple, are young, like in the college age or in the teen age. Is it because Kṛṣṇa doesn't attract the older generation—I mean, yourself excluded? [laughs]",
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"content": "\n No. Kṛṣṇa attracts everyone. Just like magnetic stone attracts iron. But the iron is covered with too much muddy things—the magnetic force does not work. This younger generation, they are not too much dirty; therefore they are very easily attracted. You see? It is like a magnetic force. The same example, that magnetic force attracts iron. That is natural. But if the iron is too much rusty and covered with muddy things, then it does not act.\nSo older generation means they are convinced in some way. They cannot accept any new thing. You see? They are in their last stage of life. Whatever they have understood, they cannot forget. But younger generation, they have got capacity to take new things. Just like nobody goes..., no old man goes to school, because they are unable to receive education. But younger generation, they go. There is a age to receive. So this age is recipient. Therefore naturally, it is nice thing, they are receiving.",
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"content": "\nYou spoke of initiation. What is that initiation?",
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"content": "\n Initiation means formally acceptance of the line of activities in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Before that, before initiation, we invite everyone to come and sit down with us, chant, dance, take prasādam, hear philosophy. And if he understands, \"Oh, this is very nice,\" then he offers himself to be initiated. Then we accept. Then we impose this restriction, that \"If you want to be initiated...\"\nWe get hundreds of letters by everyone who has attended our classes. Daily we are getting some married couples or boys and girls, but most of them are younger. My students are within thirties. The oldest student I have got at the present moment, he is twenty-eight years. No, Kīrtanānanda is about thirty years old. That's all.\nSo, of course, I do not get any older people. But that is nice, hopeful, because younger section, if they take it very seriously, then I have hopes that they will preach in future, even in my absence. And old people... If a man becomes too much accustomed to a certain limited habits, in old age it is very difficult to give it up unless one is extraordinarily intelligent.",
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"content": "\nWhat is the purpose of the robes and shaving..., having your head shaved?",
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"content": "\n Oh, that is not very difficult to understand. Just like you dress in a certain way, I dress in certain way. So we have got this dressing system in our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, and this is taken from Vedic literature. A brahmacārī should dress like that. And that is very economical. Our dress is saffron dress. It does not become dirty very quickly, and we...\n[break] This dress is not very important thing, but when one is initiated, he accepts the regulation which I give them.\nSo it is not that if you do not come in that dress in our temple you will not understand our philosophy. That is not... We don't mean that. But it is convenient. But anyone who does not want to change this dress, that does not matter. We don't insist. These brahmacārīs, they voluntarily change. Otherwise, there are many students, just like we have got two, three students, they are working. They come just like ordinary American gentlemen. So there is no objection in that way. Dress is not very important thing.",
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"content": "\nDo you have a name that you call..., are they called students? Like, would he be called a student or a...?\n Brahmacārī.",
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"content": "\n Brahmacārī. We have got four divisions. Those who are not married, they are called brahmacārīs. And those who are married, they are called gṛhasthas. And those who are retired, they are called vānaprasthas. And those who are renounced—they have no connection with anything worldly—they are called sannyāsa. Just like I am sannyāsī. Sannyāsī mean I have got my family, I have got my wife, children, grandchildren in India, but I have no connection with them. I live alone.",
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"content": "\nCould I ask for a spelling on those?",
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"content": "\n Sannyā... Yes, brahmacārī: b-r-a-h-m-a-c-h-a-r-y, this is brahmacārī. Then gṛhastha: g-r-i-h-a-s-t-h-a, gṛhastha. H-a-s-t-h-a, gṛhastha. G-r-i-h-a-s-t-h-a. Is that clear? Gṛhastha. Then vānaprastha: v-a-n-a-p-r-a-s-t-h-a, vānaprastha. Then sannyāsī: s-[a]-n-n-y-a-s-i, sannyāsī. Four divisions. These four divisions. And there are other four orders of social system. That is according to work, division according to work and quality.\nJust like the brāhmaṇas, b-r-a-h-m-a-i-n-s, brāhmaṇas. Brāhmaṇas means the most intelligent class of the society. The kṣatriyas, k-s-h-a-t-r-y-a-s, kṣatriyas. Kṣatriyas means persons who are interested in politics, in the management of the country, political affairs. They are called kṣatriyas. Similarly, there is the vaiśyas, v-a-i-s-y-a-s. Vaiśyas means the mercantile, productive class: those who are engaged in producing grains or trade, milk, and in industry. Of course, industry, artisans, they are called, artists, śūdras.\nAnyway, any person engaged in producing for the needs of the society, they are called vaiśyas. And the worker class is called śūdra. So according to Vedic system, these are eight divisions. Unless the human society is divided into these eight divisions in terms of material and spiritual progress of life, that is not accepted as human society.",
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"content": "\nHave they encountered any problems in..., like out on the Hollywood Boulevard? Police action, or telling them to move or...?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Only that depends on the whims of the police. Sometimes they say, \"You are blocking our roads.\" Sometimes, \"Oh, you are doing nice.\" So that depends on their temperament.",
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"content": "\nHow about from the crowds?",
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"content": "\n Crowd, of course, whenever there is crowd, it is natural—police do not like it. So we don't create crowd. But generally, people, out of inquisitiveness they gather together and see how they are chanting. They are sympathetic. They contribute. They purchase our books and literature. The people, public is sympathetic. The police are also sympathetic.\nThey don't object when we go at night, but during busy hours, they object. So one of our student was arrested by the police. So he was taken to the court, and I gave them $315 for... What is called? Bail. But he was not convicted. He was immediately liberated, and now our money was returned. So it is not a problem.",
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"content": "\nWere there any followers before you came to this country?",
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"content": "\n No. In this country, of this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement there was none. It is the first time. I have introduced. But in India it is very, very old—since the advent of Kṛṣṇa, and at least since last five thousand years. So Kṛṣṇa is very popular in India. In every home, Kṛṣṇa is worshiped, and there are many millions of temples of Kṛṣṇa in India and followers also. Followers means almost all Hindus are followers of Kṛṣṇa. They read this Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo I have recently published Bhagavad-gītā As It Is. It is published by Macmillan Company, and this book is very nicely being received. It is being reviewed by several papers. I have got many others books. They are being gradually introduced. Perhaps you have seen in our counter. We have got books, magazines, calendar and other literatures.\nSo it is a very scientific movement. It is not a sentiment, bogus hoax. It is... Anyone who wants to understand this movement philosophically, scientifically, they will be very much satisfied in this. The idea is that any religious movement without philosophical basis, it is simply sentiment or fanaticism.\nAnd philosophy without idea of God is simply mental speculation. Therefore religious principles combined with philosophy, that is perfect. So the younger section become attracted to this movement because we are giving some religious principle based on philosophy.",
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"content": "\nAbout how many followers would you say there are in the United States?",
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"content": "\n Initiated members, there are about one hundred, or little more, but sympathizers, admirers, there are many. Those who come, those who contribute, take sympathy, they help, and in that way there are many followers. But actually initiated members, there are about a little more than one hundred.",
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"content": "\nYes, what is the significance of... Right after the chanting, everyone bows, and that I don't understand, what they're doing.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is offering respect. The whole, our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, is to ask people to surrender to God. They have rebelled against God. Somebody says, \"There is no God.\" Somebody says that \"I am God.\" These nonsense things are to be eradicated from human society. So they should be trained to submit. So the submission is symbolized by bowing down: \"Yes, You are great; I am humble.\"\nThis should be taught. Otherwise, their, whimsically, their think somebody thinking that \"I am God.\" They do not know what is God. It is most foolish proposal if somebody claims that he is God. He is dog. We very much hate this proposal, when a man claims that he is God. It is most blasphemous.",
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"content": "\nHave you... Did you... Well, you've only been over here about four years. But have there been dropouts, out of the movement, out of the hundred that were initiated?",
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"content": "\n They are doing nicely. They are making progress. They are understanding the philosophy. They are working for it. Now I am the only man who came from India, and still I am one. I have no... There are many Indians, but I have no Indian follower here. Of course, in India we have got.\nThat's a different thing. But these, all these American boys, they are cooperating with me. That means they are taking this movement very seriously. We have got two great papers, magazines, already, Back to Godhead. One is published from New York, and the other is published from Montreal.\n[break] ...in French language. Montreal, it is published in French language, and they are well received. Recently I have received one letter from my disciple Janardana. He is Janis Dambergs, M.A.; he is the editor of that paper. He is a very good scholar in French language. His wife is also good scholar, Muna.\nShe is also very good scholar in French language. So they are publishing, and the magazine is well received by the French-speaking people there. And we have contemplation to publish the same magazine in German language also, from Germany.",
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"content": "\nI was talking to one the other day, and he said his name was Tamul.",
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"content": "\n Tamāla, yes. Tamāla-kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nTamāla? And he was from Manhattan. Now, I assume when you join, do you assume a name? Do you change your name?",
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"content": "\n Yes, when one is initiated, I give him a name which means remembrance of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n That is the material disease. Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12]. This roguism has to be purged. Then talk of spiritualism. At heart, dirty things are so much hugely accumulated by millions of years' contamination of this material world. It is very difficult to get out of this roguism. And to become a Vaiṣṇava, he has to become a brāhmaṇa. And brāhmaṇa means...\nOne of the qualification, brāhmaṇa, is ṣaḍ-laksa[?], ārjava, simplicity. The rogues cannot be simple. Always intriguing, making plan, plotting—these are roguisms. But a Vaiṣṇava requires very simple life. Satya-śama-dama-titikṣa-ārjava [Bg. 18.42]. [someone sneezing] Ārjavam means simplicity.\n[aside:] He is very forward, without any covering. Now he is sneezing. [chuckles]\nNature's law is so subtle. Uru-dāmni baddhāḥ. Bhāgavata says, uru-dāmni baddhāḥ [SB 7.5.31]. Just like a man is tied up tightly, hands and legs, by the laws of nature we are tied up in that way. Every part of our body is being controlled by some controller. We cannot violate a very insignificant portion of nature's law. Kṛṣṇa is perfect. We think that, we rogues, \"Kṛṣṇa cannot see.\"\nBut Kṛṣṇa has kept so many witnesses, and He is sitting Himself within. How you can hide and seek? No hide and seek. That is another foolishness, illusion. How you can hide yourself from Kṛṣṇa? That's not possible. And we are violating the laws of nature, and we are suffering. No excuse. Exactly like that: if a child catches fire, the catches fire is no excuse because it is a child. No. It will act.\nSo we should know that, that...\n[Hindi comment by man] [aside:] Yes, yes. Aiye.\nThere cannot be any excuse. Therefore we have to be very, very careful. And the best carefulness is chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te [Bg. 7.14]. Simply we surrender...\n[aside:] You take this letter and post immediately, immediately after class.",
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"content": "\nIn that envelope our Dhruvānanda Mahārāja has written that \"I am enclosing herewith one bird's-eye view plan.\" Eh? Has he done? If he has done, ask him and put it. If he has not, without that plan we shall send. Aiye. Aiye. Hare Kṛṣṇa.\nYamun\nā\n:\n Dhruvānanda Mahārāja [indistinct].\nI am very glad that young doctor is attending this meeting. He can cure many patients who are suffering from this material disease. What do you think, Doctor?",
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"content": "\n Very kind of you.",
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"content": "\n Yes. You are now curing physical disease, but when you take up curing material, I mean to say, spiritual disease... Yes. Try to bring all people to the normal spiritual life. All their suffering is due to abnormal spiritual life. All suffering. Because, I was discussing with my disciples just now, nature's law is so subtle and so acute that a little violation will be punished immediately. You know. You are medical man. Little violation will immediately subjected to the punishment. This is God's law.\nThere is a word in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, uru-dāmni baddhāḥ. Uru. Uru means very strong, and dāmni means rope. Just like if you are tied up with a strong rope, hands and feet, as you are helpless, our position is like that. This very word is used, uru-dāmni baddhāḥ. Na te viduḥ... And such baddha, conditioned souls, they are declaring freedom: \"I don't care for anyone. I don't care for God.\" How much foolishness.\nJust like sometimes naughty children, they are also bound up. Yaśodāmayī also bound up Kṛṣṇa. That is an Indian system, for everywhere, [chuckles] tied up. And that small child, when it is bound up, if that child declares freedom, how it is possible? Similarly, by the laws of Mother Nature we are bound up. How you can declare freedom? Every part of our body is being controlled by some controller. That is stated in the Bhāgavatam. Even your this eyelid moving, that is also under some controller.\nSo the people do not understand it, and they are declaring, \"I am God. I don't care for God. God is dead.\" How God is dead? You are under so much control, and how God is dead? You can say that there is no government, provided there is nobody to check you. But if you are in every step checked, how you can say that there is no government? That is another foolishness.\nAll men, they have been declared in the Bhāgavata abodha-jāta [SB 5.5.5], born fools and rascals. But these are very strong words. But if we state this strong, that is another foolishness. It is so, and if we deny, that \"We cannot accept such strong things,\" then another foolishness. [end]",
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"content": "\n We have with us in the studio the head and founder of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, and I think that his name is pronounced Bhaktivedanta, Swami A. C. Bhaktivedanta.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n How long have you been in this country?",
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"content": "\n Since 1965, September.",
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"content": "\n Did you come to found this Society?",
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"content": "\n Not exactly, but I came to preach the gospel of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and fortunately I met some enthusiasting young boys and girls. So then we formed this Society.",
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"content": "\n This was in New York?",
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"content": "\n Yes. I first came in New York. Then I went to Pittsburgh, and for one year I was traveling, and I established this Society in July 1, 1966.",
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"content": "\n How many centers are there now?",
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"content": "\n There are six centers. Er, why six? Seven. Seven centers. One in New York, one in San Francisco, one in Los Angeles and one, Santa Fe, one, Montreal, one, Boston, one, Buffalo.",
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"content": "\n And do you spend a certain amount of time in each center? Do you yourself travel from one center to another?",
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"content": "\n Yes. I travel... Just like now I am this side, and from here I'll go to New York. Then I shall go to Boston. Then I shall go to Buffalo. Then I shall go to Montreal. In this way I travel.",
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"content": "\n And in the main, are the people who have gathered around you younger people?",
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"content": "\n Yes. My disciples are all between twenty to thirty years. Generally they are between twenty to twenty-five, utmost thirty years old.",
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"content": "\n Is that deliberate on your part...",
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"content": "\n No.",
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"content": "\n ...or is it simply that that is the age group that has been attracted to your teaching?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes, yes. That is the fact. I invite everyone, old and young, but generally the youngsters, they are attracted.",
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"content": "\n Have you any idea what the number of the people are nationally?",
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"content": "\n So far initiated members, they are about not less than hundred. But there are many others, admirers. In each center there are at least fifty to sixty members.",
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"content": "\n I assume that being an initiated member means that the individual has acquainted himself sufficiently with your teaching and gone through certain disciplines? Is that...?",
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"content": "\n Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Certainly. That is the first condition to accept one as my disciple. Because there are some restriction. I don't allow illicit sex life. I don't allow intoxication. I don't allow meat-eating and gambling. So I build up that character. So naturally my followers are very restricted. [chuckles]",
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"content": "\n Well, now, I'd like to go over in some greater detail what the disciples may and may not do. I think that's where... I just wanted to get some of the factual background before we went into that. Now, your..., the sexual abstinence does not include marriage, I gather.",
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"content": "\n No. Marriage allowed.",
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"content": "\n Marriage is allowed.",
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"content": "\n I say \"illicit sex.\" Without marriage, sex relation is forbidden.",
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"content": "\n I see. Would you say that there were times when, well, that there were marriages which were also illicit?",
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"content": "\n No. Of course, in civilized human society, either in India or in any other country, marriage is considered as sanctified, either in Hindu community or Christian community or Muhammadan community. But apart from that, for spiritual advancement, according to Vedic culture, sex indulgence is always restricted.",
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"content": "\n Always restricted. For purposes of procreation only?",
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"content": "\n No, no. Yes. Sex, sex intercourse, is recommended only for good children. That's all.",
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"content": "\n Only to create children.",
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"content": "\n Yes, good children.",
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"content": "\n Good children. Well, if the parents are good, then there is a remarkable possibility that the children may have a chance to be. Is that not true?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. That is the fact. That is the fact.",
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"content": "\n And you said that your followers may not drink? What about the drug picture: marijuana, LSD and those?",
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"content": "\n No, no, we don't... There is no question, because all kinds of intoxication prohibited. We don't allow even smoking and tea-drinking, coffee-taking. You see? Any kind of intoxication we don't allow.",
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"content": "\n In other words, I guess it would be correct to say that this is, in the Western sense of the word, a religious order.",
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"content": "\n It is not religious order; it is cultural. Because one cannot understand higher philosophical things if he is intoxicated.",
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"content": "\n No, I meant the whole, the overall picture of your group. You speak of initiates, you speak of certain disciplines. This is almost—I'm trying to translate it into Western terms—like a religious order.",
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"content": "\n No, it is...",
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"content": "\n Now, you could say philosophical order, a cultural order. But the people...",
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"content": "\n Yes. Religious... If you say religious orders, there are many religious orders, they allow all these things. It is not exactly religious order. It is training of consciousness. Because we are trying to put people in original, pure consciousness, which we call, technically, Kṛṣṇa consciousness.\nJust like when rain is showered from the cloud, it is pure, distilled water, but as soon as it is in touch with the earth, it is salty, or so many chemicals are formed. Similarly, original consciousness is pure, but when it is contaminated with matter, the consciousness is impure.\nSo we are trying to purify the consciousness. That's all. That is our program. It is not a religious order. Consciousness is there in every living entity, and we are trying to purify his consciousness. When he comes to his original consciousness, he becomes completely happy.",
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"content": "\n Does your method include meditation, austerity of various sorts...",
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"content": "\n Yes, this is austerity.",
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"content": "\n ...in addition to no alcohol, no drugs? There could be...",
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"content": "\n We don't mention any particular thing. Generally we say \"No intoxication.\"",
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"content": "\n But that's a negative. I'm talking now about... What about the positive aspects of it? Because I have known some very wicked people who never indulged in intoxicants.",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes...",
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"content": "\n I doubt if that is your dividing line.",
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"content": "\n No, no. Simply becoming non-intoxicated does not mean that he is a very good man. That I admit.",
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"content": "\n Does the method include meditation? What... How do you go about this process?",
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"content": "\n So our process is... It is also meditation. But as you understand by meditation, that concentrating the mind upon some super subject matter, the same thing is there, but we don't try to concentrate the mind artificially. But our this chanting process immediately attracts the mind.\nOur process is... Just like Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare, we chant it in melodious song. So mind is attracted, and we try to hear the sound. That means my mind and my ear is compact in that thought. Therefore it is practical meditation.",
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"content": "\n And there is a great deal of the repetitive chanting involved, then, in the meditation? How much is preaching? I mean, supposing you were going..., you are gathered together to accomplish this approach to consciousness. What happens? Do you speak with your disciples?",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes.",
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"content": "\n And do they raise questions, or is it a formalized ritual?",
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"content": "\n Yes. First of all we pray to God to help us in the, our, I mean to say, preaching or chanting process. Then we begin chanting this Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, conjoinedly, congregationally. And it immediately transfers the atmosphere to a spiritual feeling.\nAnd if you sometimes attend our class, you can see practically how the boys and girls, they become ecstatic and chant and dance. So after chanting and dancing for a few minutes, say, fifteen to twenty minutes, then we speak something from Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam about theology and philosophy, ethics, morality. Then again we chant and pray to God and then close our class.",
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"content": "\n Is your philosophy, your approach to consciousness, based on the Gītā?",
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"content": "\n Yes. Yes. Bhagavad-gītā. This Kṛṣṇa consciousness means practical understanding of Bhagavad-gītā. This is the sum and substance. I thank you for your capturing the idea. Bhagavad-gītā is the sum and substance of the whole Vedic literature, and it is very nicely explained, things as they are.\nUnfortunately, there are so many interpreters, they interpret the verses in their own way. That is the nonsense of the whole thing. But if Bhagavad-gītā understood as it is, oh, it is a great boon to the human society.",
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"content": "\n In what... Are there fundamental differences between..., or is it simply a difference in approach between your awareness and interpretations and, for example, those of the people who are involved with Zen? With some of the other Eastern concepts? Would you like to...",
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"content": "\n Of course, I do not know what is Zen conception, Eastern conception, but we agree with many of them, just like we agree with the concept of God presented by Bible or Koran. That is recognized. And Bhagavad-gītā is so simple that it does not require any interpretation. When things are understood directly, there is no question of interpretation. When things are not understood, then you can interpret, I can interpret.\nSo the verses of Bhagavad-gītā are so simple that there is no question of interpretation. Unfortunately, I have seen that in Bhagavad-gītā commented by a great scholar like Dr. Radhakrishnan, the verse is translated very nicely, and that is done by an Englishman, but he interprets in a different way. So when we can understand the thing very nicely, there is no question of interpretation. You see?",
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"content": "\n Well, would you say that..., agree with those who say that in the people who have understood, in all the great schools of thought, they have come to approximately, at least, and sometimes almost identical conclusions? The thinking of the great mystics in all religions have been in essential agreement.",
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"content": "\n The thing is that religion is a different thing. Religion is a kind of faith. You may have your faith in a certain type of procedure; I may have a certain type of procedure. That is different thing. Suppose you are now Christian. You may change your faith to Muhammadanism. But you as person, you do not change; your faith may change. Similarly, we are concerned with consciousness.",
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"content": "\n Yes, but so have all of the great teachers been concerned with consciousness. It's a question of whether or not it's achieved. I presume that's why you work at this.",
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"content": "\n Yes. But thing is that there are two processes for understanding the Absolute Truth. One is ascending process, and one is descending process. We accept that descending process. Ascending process means trying to understand the Absolute Truth by dint of one's limited knowledge. Our knowledge... However I may be great, my senses are imperfect. You see?\nI cannot understand the sun, although I see every day sun, without understanding the sun as it is from authoritative books. Simply by seeing, by..., simply by sense perception we cannot understand. Now this machine, simply by seeing, I cannot understand. But if I hear from authorities that \"This is this; this is that,\" that understanding is right.\nSimilarly, Absolute Truth cannot be understood by mental speculation, however a great thinker he may be. It must be understood from the authorities. So that... We follow that principle. We try to understand Absolute Truth from the lips of the Absolute Truth, not otherwise. That is the difference.",
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"content": "\n And by applying it in...",
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"content": "\n In practical life.",
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"content": "\n In practical life.",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n That was really what my question was involved in, is that what you believe and what you are can be two different...",
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"content": "\n No. What we believe... What we hear, we try to apply in practical behavior. Yes.",
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"content": "\n And apart from the...",
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"content": "\n Just like in the Bhagavad-gītā the last instruction is sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66].\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\nThe Lord Kṛṣṇa says that \"You give up everything. Just surrender unto Me, and I take charge of you.\" So we have surrendered unto Him, yes, completely. So what we hear, we do that.",
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"content": "\n Among your followers, is the part of their lives which is not involved with the rules of your organization or with the formal meetings, are there...? Do they simply proceed with their normal lives and work at jobs and...?",
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"content": "\n Yes, yes, work.",
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"content": "\n I mean, are there any prohibitions as to what type of work? For example, would a follower of yours work in a war industry?",
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"content": "\n Yes. If there is no other work, he can work in war industry, because he has to live. After all, he must earn something. Without earning, how can he live? So if there is no better job, he can accept any job. What can be done?",
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"content": "\n You take no...",
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"content": "\n But if we can get a better job... Suppose the war industry or butcher industry, that is also an industry. So if somebody offers some job in the butchery, naturally [chuckling] we are not inclined to accept such job, but...",
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"content": "\n I believe in the Buddhist philosophy that there are some professions like slaughtering animals and so on, which are...",
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"content": "\n ...and that's why I wondered if there were prohibitions within, you know, the outside contact with society that you make.",
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"content": "\n But our formula is that one should live... It is called sato vṛtteḥ. The vṛtti, the profession or the means of livelihood, must be very fair. Must be very fair. Sato vṛtteḥ. Because association will contaminate my mind and my intelligence; therefore, as far as possible, sato vṛtti.\nAnd this sato vṛtti is a Sanskrit word. According to the purification of profession, livelihood, one is called a brāhmaṇa, one is called a kṣatriya, one is called a vaiśya, one is called a śūdra, one is called lower than the śūdras. You see? So that is also...\nBut in this age one cannot stick to a particular profession. Just like for the brāhmaṇas. The brāhmaṇas... For brāhmaṇas it is enjoined that they should learn scripture and they should preach scripture. That's all. They have six kinds of occupation. One of the main is this, to learn and to teach. But at the present moment everything has changed. So there is change. But as far as possible, we don't accept a profession or any job which is abominable.",
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"content": "\n What else would you like to tell us?",
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"content": "\n Yes. I like to tell to everyone that this human form of life is meant for reviving our original pure consciousness. That is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So we should not waste time, because life is very short. And therefore, before we meet next death, we must finish this job of understanding Kṛṣṇa consciousness rightly, so that our human mission may be fulfilled. Yes. That is what I want to say.\nThis is a very scientific and authorized means of purifying consciousness, and it is very easy also at the same time. It can be accepted without any loss, but the gain is very great. So people should take advantage of this movement and fulfill the mission of human form of life.",
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"content": "\n In the morning of the 15th February '71. Appearance day of Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura.\nPrabhupāda: [\nChants Jaya Rādhā-Mādhava] [prema-dhvani]\n[10:10]\netāvatālam agha-nirharaṇāya puṁsāṁ\nsaṅkīrtanaṁ bhagavato guṇa-karma-nāmnām\nvikruśya putram aghavān yad ajāmilo 'pi\nnārāyaṇeti mriyamāṇa iyāya muktim\n[SB 6.3.24]\nSo we have concluded this verse, that Yamarāja says that the holy name of the Personality of Godhead, Bhāgavata, not only His name, but also His activities and His qualities. These qualities... Last night, somebody was discussing with me saguṇa and nirguṇa. Saguṇa means, according to their version, or a standard version, saguṇa means the material quality. They worship saguṇa-rūpa. Saguṇa means forms of this material world. Sādhakānāṁ hitārthāya brāhmaṇa-rūpa-kalpanaḥ.[?] Kalpanaḥ. \nAccording to Māyāvādī school, the Absolute Truth is imperson. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is also said, kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām, adhikataras teṣām avyaktāsakta-cetasām [Bg. 12.5]. Say, for meditation, it is very difficult to meditate on impersonal feature. Therefore, they artificially think like that: \"I am the whole. I am moving the star, I am moving the moon.\" Or some color display is taking place. Artificially. This meditation is artificial. Therefore, they do not get any result. Simply waste time, and they remain the number one debauch, as they are.\nSo this kind of meditation... Because they will not put any form... \"The Brahman is impersonal.\" So how they can think of any form? It is very difficult to adjust. Therefore Bhagavad-gītā says, kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām [Bg. 12.5]. They want to meditate upon impersonal Brahman, but it is very troublesome. Because Brahman is not impersonal, but force, they want to make Brahman imperson.\nSo in order to mitigate this troublesome position, some of their ācāryas, Śaṅkarācārya, has said that \"You imagine a form. There is no real form, but you imagine some form.\" And he has recommended five forms. The first form is Durgā, Śakti. The second form is Sūrya, the sun, sun-worshiper. And the third form is Gaṇeśa, and the fourth form is Śiva, and the fifth form is Viṣṇu. Of course, these are the different stages of spiritual development.\nDurgā... Durgā means the material power, energy. So when a person is in the lowest stage of material existence, he realizes some power. That's a fact. The scientists also, they realize some power, there is some power in the material world. They go on searching after what is the ultimate power, but they cannot find it out. That is not possible. But they accept that there is some power, nature's power. So that is the stage of śakta stage, Durgā worship.\nThen, power... Just like modern scientists, they also have gone to the power of the sun. That power, another power. That power is sun, and that is called saura, worshiping the sun. Just like there is a Parsi community in India. Fire worship is recommended in the Vedas. So that powerful sun, sun-god, they worship the sun. That is the stage of saura, saura stage.\nAnd then, next is the power vox populi, the power of the votes. That is the stage of Gaṇapati. Gaṇa... Gaṇa means the number of people. Just like in nationalism they are counting upon the power. In this way, they realize some sort of power, I mean to say, moving force or the soul. That is the stage of... They say, śivo 'ham. Śivo 'ham. Ahaṁ brahmāsmi. That is the stage of śaiva.\nAnd when they expand that, that \"This power, this spiritual power, soul, is all over, all-pervading, impersonal Brahman,\" that is... They, sometimes they accept Viṣṇu. Viṣṇu means all-pervading. But their realization of Viṣṇu is impersonal.\nWhen Caitanya Mahāprabhu was discussing with Rāmānanda Rāya what is the process of elevation, sādhya, sādhana, what is the ultimate objective, Rāmānanda Rāya quoted a verse from the Viṣṇu Purāṇa that,\nvarṇāśramācāravatā\npuruṣeṇa paraḥ pumān\nviṣṇur ārādhyate...\nnānyat tat-toṣa-kāraṇam\n[Cc. Madhya 8.58]\nThe beginning of real human civilization is observance of the institute of four varṇas and four āśramas. That is the beginning of civilized life. Otherwise, it is not civilized life; it is crude, uncivilized life, where there is no varṇāśrama, where there is no division of society according to work and quality and āśrama, spiritual life division.\nSo Rāmānanda Rāya recommended this verse, that this is the process to satisfy the Supreme Lord Viṣṇu. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu said that eho bāhya āge kaha āra, \"This is external. If you know something more, better than this, you say.\" Why He said? There is the version, viṣṇur ārādhyate. Does it mean that He is rejecting Viṣṇu worship? No, He's not rejecting.\nBecause generally, they, these impersonalists, Māyāvādīs, they also worship sometimes Viṣṇu, these five demigods and God. But their idea is that ultimately imperson. The impersonal takes the form by the help of this material world. The formation takes place simply in the material. That is their opinion. Therefore they say, call, saguṇa. Saguṇa-upāsanā.\nJust try to understand this. Saguṇa-upāsanā means when Brahman takes a form He takes a form from this material help. Just like we take a form, we spiritual entities. We also take a form, transmigration of the soul according to karma. I create a certain type of mentality, and that continues throughout my life. And at the time of death, because I have got a certain type of mentality, man mentality or god mentality or dog mentality or fly mentality, any kind of... There are so many. So I have to take a certain type of body.\nSo that body I have to take not by my whim. Daivena. Daiva-netreṇa: by the decision of higher authorities. Daiva, generally it means the Supreme Personality of Godhead and His agents. He has got many. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 6.8, Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport]. So the material agent is Durgā. So I create a mentality by my association with this material world.\nThere are three kinds of qualities: sattva-guṇa, rajo-guṇa, tamo-guṇa. So one of them or mixed, I will have to accept, because I am associating. Just like—it is not difficult—if you associate with the hippies, you will become hippie. If you associate with the hippies, you will become hippie. If you associate with the Vaiṣṇava, you become Vaiṣṇava. That is practical. So similarly, if you associate with tamo-guṇa... One of the features of tamo-guṇa is laziness and sleepy. I am against so much sleeping because it is tamo-guṇa. It is a manifestation of tamo-guṇa. So this is the feature of tamo-guṇa. \nAnd the features of rajo-guṇa is very active, but for sense gratification. Just like ordinary persons, they are very active. They rise also early in the morning, they work very hard, but the whole plan is for sense gratification. That's all. That is rajo-guṇa. And sattva-guṇa means they are silent, they are sober, they know what is what, and they try for spiritual advancement. That is sattva-guṇa.\nSo you can understand whether a man is in sattva-guṇa or a man is in rajo-guṇa or a man is in tamo-guṇa by the symptoms of his behavior. So as we associate with different types of guṇas we develop a certain type of mentality that continues, and if it continues up to the point of death, then certainly we'll have to accept a body influenced by these guṇas. \nTherefore Bhagavad-gītā says, prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ [Bg. 3.27]. Yasmāt, these guṇaiḥ. Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ. According to the association of guṇa, or quality, prakṛti gives you a certain type of body. The body is given by prakṛti, by nature. Therefore, nature is called mother, Durgā.\nJust like we develop this body exactly from the mother's womb. The father gives the seed, but the bodily ingredients, that is... Just like mother is developing her body, similarly, she is developing the child's body also, by eating, by the secretion, by development of the secretion, air. Air is solidifying the secretion. It is becoming gradually muscles, skin, bone, as it is becoming harder and harder. A very nice factory is going on. That is also by nature. And nature is working by the order of Kṛṣṇa. Therefore, ultimate cause is Kṛṣṇa.\nSo this bodily development given by the nature is also adduced to the body of Kṛṣṇa. That is Māyāvādī philosophy. Māyāvādī philosophy means they accept Kṛṣṇa as God, but He has assumed a body which is given by this material nature, as it is given to us. That is their policy. They count Kṛṣṇa an ordinary man, on the same level. But that is not a fact.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa condemns this philosophy, avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam [Bg. 9.11]: \"Because I appear as a human being, therefore these rascals consider that I am ordinary man.\" The rascals, mūḍhāḥ. Mūḍhāḥ means rascals, gādhāḥ, asses. Their designation is given by Kṛṣṇa as asses, rascals.\nAnd Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore said, māyāvādi-bhāṣya śunile haya sarva-nāśa [Cc. Madhya 6.169]. Because these commentaries, comments by the Māyāvādī school, is simply rascaldom. And if one hears such commentary by the Māyāvādīs, the result will be he'll be doomed. Doomed means forever... Forever, no; for very, very long time he'll not be able to understand actual his relationship with Kṛṣṇa. Therefore he's doomed. And because he is not able to understand his relationship with Kṛṣṇa, he is called rākṣasa or asura. Āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ.\nThat is also condemned in Kṛṣṇa in the Bhagavad-gītā. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ [Bg. 7.15]. You'll find amongst them very, very learned men, very, very good scholar. They can quote... Intelligent men. Because their Māyāvādī commentary, they can utilize, and Kṛṣṇa gives them intelligence also, that \"You misuse this verse in this way because you want...\" Tān ahaṁ dviṣataḥ krūrān [Bg. 16.19]. Kṛṣṇa is sitting within the heart of everyone.\nSo Māyāvādī philosopher wants to kill God, or Kṛṣṇa. Or nirviśeṣa-śūnyavādi, they want to make Kṛṣṇa as zero or Kṛṣṇa as nirākāra. So Kṛṣṇa also gives them intelligence, \"Yes, you just put forward this logic, that logic, that logic, and you prove.\" That is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā, sarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭaḥ: \"I am sitting in everyone's heart.\" Mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca [Bg. 15.15]. Mattaḥ, \"Through Me, from Me, all remembrance or memorization takes place.\"\nSo Māyāvādī wants to prove that the ultimate truth is nirākāra, or impersonal. So Kṛṣṇa gives you intelligence: \"Yes, you put this forward. Put forward this logic, this logic, that logic.\" Similarly, Kṛṣṇa gives... There is a Bengali proverb that how God works, that one man, a householder, is praying to God, \"My dear Lord, there may not be any theft case, burglary, in my home this night. Please save me.\" So one man is praying a prayer like that, praying like that. Another man is praying, the thief, \"My dear Lord, this night I shall commit burglary in that house. Please help me to get something.\" Now, what is Kṛṣṇa's position? [laughter]\nKṛṣṇa is everyone's heart. So Kṛṣṇa has to satisfy so many prayers. The burglar and the thief and the householder—so many prayers. So Kṛṣṇa's adjustment... But He's still... That is Kṛṣṇa's intelligence, how He adjusts. He gives everyone freedom. And everyone is given facilities, but still He's in botheration.\nTherefore Kṛṣṇa advises to his devotees that \"Don't plan anything. You rascal, you nonsense, you don't give Me trouble. [laughter] Please surrender unto Me. Just go under My plan; you'll be happy. You are making plan, you are unhappy; I am also unhappy. I am also unhappy. [laughter] So many plans are coming daily, and I'll have to fulfill.\" But He's merciful. If a... Ye yathā māṁ prapadyante tāṁs... [Bg. 4.11].\nSo except the devotee of Kṛṣṇa, everyone is simply giving Kṛṣṇa trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble. Therefore, they are called duṣkṛtina. Duṣkṛtina, most miscreant, the miscreants. Don't make any plan. Accept Kṛṣṇa's plan. That will be simply giving trouble to Kṛṣṇa. Therefore, a devotee does not pray even for his maintenance. That is pure devotee. He doesn't give trouble to Kṛṣṇa even for his bare maintenance. If he has no maintenance, he'll suffer, fasting; still, he'll not ask Kṛṣṇa, \"Kṛṣṇa, I am very hungry. Give me some food.\" Of course, Kṛṣṇa is alert for His devotee, but a devotee's principle is not to place any plan to Kṛṣṇa. Let Kṛṣṇa do. Simply we have to do according to the plan of Kṛṣṇa.\nSo what is our plan? Our plan is, Kṛṣṇa's says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ [Bg. 18.66]. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī. So our plan is the same thing. We are simply canvassing for Kṛṣṇa, that \"You become Kṛṣṇa conscious.\" We have to show our example, how we are becoming Kṛṣṇa conscious, how we are worshiping Kṛṣṇa, how we are going on the street for vibrating Kṛṣṇa's name, transcendental name.\nNow we are distributing Kṛṣṇa's prasādam. As far as possible, our business is to induce persons how he becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious. That's all. For that reason, you can make your plan, because that is Kṛṣṇa's plan. But that should also be sanctioned by Kṛṣṇa. Don't make your own manufactured, concocted plan. Therefore, to guide you, a Kṛṣṇa's representative required. That is spiritual master.\nSo there is a huge plan and huge scheme. Therefore we have to follow the footsteps of the mahājanas. As it is stated here, that dvādaśaite vijānīmo dharmaṁ bhāgavataṁ bhaṭāḥ. He said that \"We, the selected mahājanas, representatives of Kṛṣṇa, we know what is bhāgavata-dharma, what is Kṛṣṇa dharma.\" Dvādaśa. Dvādaśa. The dvādaśa means twelve names, already mentioned: svayambhūr nāradaḥ śambhuḥ... [SB 6.3.20]. I have explained. So Yamarāja said, \"Only we, these twelve men, representatives of Kṛṣṇa, we know what is bhāgavata-dharma.\"\nDvādaśaite vijānīmaḥ. Vijānīmaḥ means \"we know.\" Dharmaṁ bhāgavataṁ bhaṭāḥ, guhyaṁ viśuddhaṁ durbodhaṁ yaṁ jñātvāmṛtam aśnute. \"We know.\" Therefore it is advised, mahājano yena gataḥ sa panthāḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.186]. These mahājanas, as they have prescribed, that is the real way for understanding Kṛṣṇa, or spiritual service[?]. So we are following the Brahma-sampradāya, the first, Svayambhū. Brahmā. Brahmā, then Nārada; from Nārada, Vyāsadeva. In this way, Madhvācārya, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, in this way.\nSo today, because we are following the footsteps of Śrī Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, so this is, today is his appearance day. So we should honor this tithi very respectfully and pray to Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Gosvāmī that \"We are engaged in your service. So give us strength, give us intelligence. And we are being guided by your servant.\" So in this way we have to pray. And I think in the evening we shall distribute prasādam. Not at noon. In the evening there will be some... So many audience come. So they can be distributed prasādam, and some of the members who can come from Bhatikara, they can be also invited. So arrange for this.\nAnd at twelve o'clock, we offer puṣpāñjali. That puṣpāñjali mantra, it should be beginning... It should begin from the beginning. Not... You were singing, śrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī. There are two other lines. Why do you forget that?\n Śrī-vārṣabhānavī-devī...",
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"content": "\n No. Before that, there are two other lines. What is that?",
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"content": "\n Namo oṁ viṣṇu-pādāya kṛṣṇa-preṣṭhāya bhūtale śrīmate bhaktisiddhānta-sarasvatīti nāmine.",
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"content": "\n Why do you forget them? Yes. So you can chant this mantra and offer puṣpāñjali flower. And we shall together offer flowers. Actually, the worship is..., that is my duty. But sagoṣṭhī. Now I'll have to offer my respect with my spiritual family members, sagoṣṭhī. That is called sagoṣṭhī. Just like Vyāsadeva says, dhīmahi. He's offering prayer sagoṣṭhī, with all his followers and disciples. That is the process.\nSo this flower offering will be done at twelve, and I think feasting will be in the evening. And after offering this puṣpāñjali, we can take our usual food. But the feasting may be done in the evening. Make like that. Because some audience, some members, visitors come, they should be given. And you can ask that Baka... Baka, his name is Baka?",
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"content": "\n Yes, Radhe-Shyam. And some others. And we can... You can invite... Dr. Rao is not... His brothers and his wife, and anyone we have made friends in the meantime, some of them.",
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"content": "\n Then we serve prasādam. And how many men would you say we should prepare for? One hundred?",
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"content": "\n So ordinary prasādam at noontime and feasting prasādam...",
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"content": "\n So may we offer you a special feasting?",
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"content": "\n The following lecture was recorded the evening of February 17th, 1971, Śrī Kṛṣṇa-niketana in Gorakhpur, Uttar Pradesh. [break]",
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"content": "\n This is the real picture of Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead: rādhā-mādhava kuñja-behari. Kṛṣṇa has no other business. Vṛndāvanaṁ parityajya padam ekaṁ na gacchati. Kṛṣṇa is..., means original Kṛṣṇa, or the ādi-puruṣaṁ, which is known as ādi-puruṣaṁ.\nHe's always in Vṛndāvana, but He expands Himself as Vāsudeva, Saṅkarṣaṇa, Aniruddha, Pradyumna, so many, unlimited expansions. But the original form is in Vṛndāvana.\nīśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ\nsac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ\nanādir ādir govindaḥ\nsarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam\n[Bs. 5.1]\nAhaṁ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaṁ pravartate [Bg. 10.8]. Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]. These are the Vedic evidences. Kṛṣṇa Himself says, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat kiñcid asti dhanañjaya [Bg. 7.7].\nThat Supreme Personality of Godhead is always engaged in pleasure potency. Rādhārāṇī is the pleasure potency of Kṛṣṇa. This is explained by Svarūpa Dāmodara Gosvāmī:\nrādhā kṛṣṇa-praṇaya-vikṛtir hlādinī śaktir asmād\nekātmānāv api [bhuvi purā] deha-bhedaṁ gatau tau\ncaitanyākhyaṁ prakaṭam adhunā tad-dvayaṁ caikyam āptaṁ\nvande rādhā-bhāva dyuti-suvalitaṁ caitanya saṁjñākhyam\n[Cc. Ādi 1.5]\nSo Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, when He wants to enjoy, He exhibits His pleasure potency. He is Paraṁ Brahman. For brahmānanda, for enjoying the transcendental pleasure, here we see many, many great saintly persons, sages, they give up this material enjoyment for enjoying spiritual enjoyment, brahmānanda, which is known as brahmānanda. Brahmānanda means unlimited, unlimited ānanda.\nHere in this world, there is a reflection of ānanda, of brāhmaṇanda, but it is flickering, temporary. Therefore it is said in the śāstras, ramante yogino 'nante. Those who are yogīs... Yogīs means who are realizing transcendental position, they are called yogīs. They may be divided into three categories: the jñānīs, the haṭha-yogīs or the bhakta-yogī. They are all called yogīs. So ramante yogino anante. Yogīs' target of enjoyment is to touch the unlimited.\nHere there is no perception of unlimited pleasure. That is not. It is flickering. Rāmante yoginaḥ anante satyānande [Cc. Madhya 9.29]. That is real pleasure. Here the pleasure is like this, that you, somebody is offering that \"You take these rasagullās, and after eating rasagullā I shall beat you with shoes.\" Here the pleasure is like that: \"You eat rasagullā and then be beaten by shoes.\" Perhaps we have got all experience of this. But actual ānanda is brahmānanda, unlimited. Brahmānanda means unlimited. There is no... It is increasing. Ānandāmbudhi-vardhanam.\nWhen you get to the... Everyone, we are seeking after ānanda. Ānandamayo 'bhyāsāt [Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12]. Because Kṛṣṇa is ānandamaya, and we are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, naturally we are also ānandamaya. But we have fallen in the circumstances where there is no ānanda. In this material world, there cannot be any ānanda. Those who are seeking after ānanda, they are under illusion, will o' the wisp. There is no ānanda.\n\"Why there is no ānanda? There are so many things to enjoy.\" No. Kṛṣṇa says that this place is duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam [Bg. 8.15]. So how there can be ānanda? It is certified by the Supreme Personality of Godhead that it is duḥkhālayam, it is the place for miserable condition of life. So how there can be ānanda?\nTherefore Bhagavad-gītā says, \"Those who are intelligent, they should always place before them four principles of miserable condition: janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam [Bg. 13.9]\". We should not be illusioned. We should know that there is, I mean to say, distresses when we take birth. We have forgotten.\nWe do not know how much suffering we had to undergo when we were within the belly of our mother. It is very miserable condition. We had to remain there in packed-up condition like this in a bag, and it is suffocating. And because we are... At that time, the skin is very tender. There are many worms and germs within the belly, mixed up with stool and urine; they bite. We have forgotten that, the actual position.\nAnyone who knows how a child remains within the womb of his mother... The medical profession, they also know how much it is suffocating. Suppose you are packed up in a bag... It is simply by the mercy of God, Kṛṣṇa, that we can remain in that condition. If you are put again into that condition, you will immediately die.\nSo we have forgotten what is the distress to remain in the womb of mother. And that also, sometimes a child is killed. At the present moment, advanced civilization, pregnancy is killed sometimes. So we cannot see even light. We die within the womb of a mother and again enter another womb. And it may be we die again. So just try to understand what is the miserable condition of birth. But because we forget, we think we are very happy.\nAnd again, not only that, as soon as we take birth, again a new chapter of life begins. Again you... Even after coming out of the womb, when we are little child we cry. There may be mosquito biting or bugs biting or something in the belly troubling, crying. Mother is trying to pacify, but we are crying, crying. We cannot express. So these are the miserable condition of life. Kṛṣṇa says it is duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam [Bg. 8.15].\nSo under the illusion of māyā, as soon as we get out of the womb we forget everything, what we are suffering. And because the mother and relatives, they take on the lap, we forget. So this is the condition, miserable condition of birth. And similarly, miserable condition of death. When one is lying in coma, so many sufferings is going on, so many dreaming, the Yamadūtā is coming. Sometimes the man on the deathbed cries, he's so much suffering. But there is no remedy. Everyone is helpless. So that is the miserable condition of death.\nAnd then, janma-mṛtyu-jarā, old age. Just like we have now come to the old age. There are so many troubles. Sometimes heart failure, sometimes there is... So many troubles. You know, everyone. So janma-mṛtyu-jarā and vyādhi. So long we have got this body, you'll have so many diseases. So how you can get rid of these duḥkha? Therefore it is duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam [Bg. 8.15]. How you consider that \"We shall make it adjusted\"? That is not possible. Therefore it is the duty. This human form of life is meant for realizing what is my position.\nThen Bhāgavata says,\nnāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke\nkaṣṭān kāmān arhate viḍ-bhujāṁ ye\n[SB 5.5.1]\nThe Bhāgavata says that this life, this human form of life, ayaṁ deha... Nāyaṁ deho deha-bhājāṁ nṛloke. Nṛloke means the human form of life. It is not meant for working hard day and night and live like a hog. The hog's life we have got experience. They eat stool, all day long working, and they have got some pleasure, sex pleasure, without any discrimination. A person who has no discrimination of sex life, who has no discrimination of eating, he is given the birth of a hog. He has to take the birth like a hog. Because our activities are judged by higher authorities. Karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa [SB 3.31.1].\nWe are acting, but there is a higher authority who is judging our actions, what kind of action. Because in the human form is an opportunity. The Supreme Personality of Godhead is sitting in your heart along with you as friend and witnessing what you are doing. And if you are desiring unlimited sex life and unlimited eating without any restriction, then Kṛṣṇa gives you...\nBecause the human society, it is not possible. There are so many restriction even from social laws, political laws. But animal life, there is no restriction. Anyone can have sex life—the dogs and hogs on the street in open place—because they are animals. There is no law. But a human being, if he does so, then he is punishable.\nSo why? Because human being. All the laws, all these books, are meant for human being. In the Caitanya-caritāmṛta it is said,\nanādir bahir mukha jīva kṛṣṇa bhuli gelā\nataeva kṛṣṇa veda purāṇa karila\n[Cc. Madhya 20.117]\nWhy these Vedas and Purāṇas and the Vedic literature there? It is for human beings, not for the cats and dogs. So this human form of life should be utilized. In our, especially India, the land of Vedic culture, we should utilize. Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore says that,\nbhārata-bhūmite manuṣya-janma haila yāra\njanma sārthaka kari' kara paropakāra\n[Cc. Ādi 9.41]\nIn India, one who has taken birth as a human being, it is his duty to make his life perfect. Because there are so many, I mean to say, authentic literatures. So if we don't take advantage of these literatures, then we cannot make our life perfect. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu advises that you make your life perfect and distribute this Vedic knowledge to the whole of the world. Paropakāra. Paropakāra.\nYou are meant for paropakāra, not for exploiting. That is the duty of the Indians. Unfortunately, neither we are inclined to make our life perfect by understanding the Vedic literatures... Therefore we are begging. Instead of doing paropakāra, we are begging. This should be stopped. And the essence of all Vedic literature is Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo if we study Bhagavad-gītā as it is, our life will be perfect, undoubtedly. But unfortunately, we also misinterpret Bhagavad-gītā according to our own whims, and therefore we are misguided. We cannot take the essence of Bhagavad-gītā, and therefore our this human form of life is also lost, and we cannot do any welfare activities in the world.\nSo this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is meant for that purpose, according to the order of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, that \"Make your life perfect and distribute the Vedic knowledge throughout the whole world.\" The time has come. This Bhagavad-gītā is being presented as it is in the foreign countries.\nAnd you can see, simply by chanting this Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and studying Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, how these boys and girls, they are in ecstasy. They are in the spiritual platform. You cannot expect such dancing and such joyful attitude in this material world. It is not possible. They are in the spiritual world. Yes.\nmāṁ ca vyabhicāriṇi-\nbhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate\nsa guṇān samatītyaitān\nbrahma-bhūyāya kalpate\n[Bg. 14.26]\nIf you are situated in bhakti-yoga, avyabhicāriṇi, without any adulteration... The adulteration is most dangerous.\nBhakti-yoga means,\nanyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ\njñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam\nānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-\nśīlanam bhaktir uttamā\n[Brs. 1.1.11]\nSimply you have to cultivate Kṛṣṇa consciousness favorably, not unfavorably. Kṛṣṇa conscious..., to become Kṛṣṇa conscious unfavorably, that is not bhakti. Just like Kaṁsa. Kaṁsa was also Kṛṣṇa conscious. He was always thinking of Kṛṣṇa: \"As soon as Kṛṣṇa is born, please bring Him. Or inform me. I shall immediately kill Kṛṣṇa.\"\nWhen Kṛṣṇa was in the womb of His mother Devakī, Kaṁsa was Kṛṣṇa conscious. He could understand that \"Kṛṣṇa is now... Because Devakī, she is now so much glowing.\" So he could understand. He sometimes wanted to kill Devakī; then he restrained himself, that \"If I kill Devakī in pregnancy, it will be great,\" I mean to say, \"bad reputation.\" So he restrained himself. But therefore he was always thinking of Kṛṣṇa, but he was thinking of Kṛṣṇa unfavorably.\nSo similarly, those who are reading Bhagavad-gītā unfavorably means in the Bhagavad-gītā Kṛṣṇa is the principal factor, but anyone who is trying to kill Kṛṣṇa and reading Bhagavad-gītā, that is Kaṁsa's reading.",
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"content": "\n That is not bhakti. That is going on. Great, great scholars, they are trying to kill Kṛṣṇa by reading Bhagavad-gītā.\nSo this has to be stopped. We are preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness on this basis, that \"Don't try to kill Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa cannot be killed. You will be killed. You will be killed. Kṛṣṇa cannot be killed.\" When I went to Western countries, they said that \"God is dead.\" Here also, in our country so many people says that \"Kṛṣṇa came. He is dead and gone. Now I am greater than Kṛṣṇa.\" So many rascal incarnation: \"I am greater than Kṛṣṇa.\" You see? So this is going on.\nSo by this way you cannot be happy. You must be Kṛṣṇa conscious. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So if you act like that, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ... We have to understand Bhagavad-gītā through the paramparā system, not whimsically: \"I think,\" \"It is my opinion.\" What you are, nonsense? Throw your opinion. This process should be given up. We should understand as Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā that,\nimaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ\nproktavān aham avyayam\nvivasvān manave prāhur\nmanur ikṣvākave 'bravīt\n[Bg. 4.1]\nevaṁ paramparā-prāptam\nimaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ\n[Bg. 4.2]\nSo we have to take, understand Bhagavad-gītā from paramparā system, not from the rascals. That will not do.\nSo what is that paramparā system? That paramparā system... Take, for example, Kṛṣṇa is speaking to Arjuna. How? Why He is speaking to Arjuna? Arjuna was not a Vedāntist; he was a military man. You do not expect a military man to be highly learned or Vedāntist. And He was talking to him when he was fighting, very busy hour. And still, Kṛṣṇa says, \"I'll speak to you this yoga system of Bhagavad-gītā because you are My devotee and dear friend.\"\nTherefore the first qualification for understanding Bhagavad-gītā is to become a dear friend of Kṛṣṇa. And if you are a Kaṁsa, what you will understand, Bhagavad-gītā? If your motive is to kill Kṛṣṇa by reading Bhagavad-gītā... Just like Dr. Radhakrishnan says, when he is explaining this verse, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]: \"It is not to Kṛṣṇa.\"\nHe directly says. He's advising not to surrender to Kṛṣṇa. \"It is the unborn which is within Kṛṣṇa.\" He does not know there is no \"within,\" \"without\" Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is absolute. He has no knowledge. Still, he's trying to comment on Bhagavad-gītā. This is going on.\nSo our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is to awaken the dormant Kṛṣṇa consciousness which is lying within everyone's heart. It is not artificial. It is not that I have spoken to these boys and girls in America and all over the world, with my speeches they have been enticed and they are Kṛṣṇa conscious. No. Nobody has such power that simply by artificial, by speaking, one can convert. That is not possible. The real..., real mystery is, as it is stated in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta,\nnitya-siddha kṛṣṇa-bhakti sādhya kabhu naya\nśravaṇādi-śuddha-citte karaye udaya\n[Cc. Madhya 22.107]\nKṛṣṇa-bhakti, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, is in everyone's heart, dormant. Every living entity. Because every living entity is part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. Just like a father and son, there is natural affection; it is not artificial. Even there is misunderstanding between father and the son, and if they meet at a time after many years' misunderstanding, immediately the affection of father and son will act, immediately.\nSimilarly, because we are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, our affection for Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa's affection for us is eternal. Kṛṣṇa is more anxious to reclaim us from this miserable condition of life than we are, because we are sons of Kṛṣṇa. Sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya sambhavanti mūrtayaḥ yaḥ [Bg. 14.4]. He is the father of all living entities. We are part and parcel. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is very anxious.\nTherefore Caitanya-caritāmṛta-kar says,\nanādi bahir mukha jīva kṛṣṇa bhuli gelā\nataeva kṛṣṇa veda purāṇa karilā\nJust to remind us. Not only He has given us Vedas and Purāṇas to remind us that \"Your position is different than you are thinking. You are thinking that you are a material product. That is illusion. Ahaṁ brahmāsmi. You are brahma-vastu. You are part and parcel of Brahman...\"\nTherefore there are so many literatures—vedaiś ca sarvair aham eva vedyaḥ [Bg. 15.15]—just to draw your attention to come to Kṛṣṇa. Just to draw your attention, that \"You are My part and parcel. You are My eternal son. Why you are rotting in this miserable condition of life, janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi [Bg. 13.9]?\" Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Therefore Kṛṣṇa's advice is give up all nonsense engagement; simply surrender to Kṛṣṇa. Ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-śīlanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. Just try to understand Kṛṣṇa favorably, not like Kaṁsa or so-called scholars, but with natural affection for Kṛṣṇa. Then you'll be happy.\nThat is our program. We are preaching all over this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement just to awaken their natural affection for Kṛṣṇa. And the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam says,\nsa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo\nyato bhaktir adhokṣaje\nahaituky apratihatā\nyayātmā samprasīdati\n[SB 1.2.6]\nWe have to develop our natural affection. Natural affection. Just like a father loves the child, child loves the father. That is natural. At least, father loves the child without any thinking of renunciation. No. That is natural. Similarly, when we shall develop, awaken—not develop; it is already there—simply to awaken... How it is awakened? Śravaṇādi-śuddha-citte.\nAs you are coming here, if you try to hear the real fact of your relationship with Kṛṣṇa and yourself from the śāstras... Because ataeva kṛṣṇa veda purāṇa karilā. We have to learn from the authorized śāstras, from the Bhagavad-gītā, from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, from Vedas, not from the rascals. Then you'll understand. Your real affection from Kṛṣṇa will be awakened, and your life will be successful. Śravaṇādi-śuddha-citte karaye udaya. Satāṁ prasaṅgān mama vīrya-saṁvido bhavanti hṛt-karṇa-rasāyanāḥ kathāḥ [SB 3.25.25].\nSo Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore advised, bhāgavata para giyā bhāgavata sthāne. We have to understand Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam from the person Bhāgavatam, whose life is simply Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Then you'll understand Bhāgavata. Not from the professional readers. You cannot understand. Sanātana Gosvāmī has prohibited strictly.\nAvaiṣṇava-mukhodgīrṇaṁ pūtaṁ hari-kathāmṛtam, śravaṇaṁ naiva kartavyam [Padma Purāṇa]. One, he is not Vaiṣṇava in his behavior, pseudo-Vaiṣṇava, Sanātana Gosvāmī says even he speaks hari-kathāmṛtam, the message of Kṛṣṇa, it is not to be heard, because he'll not present real Kṛṣṇa. He'll present adulterated Kṛṣṇa, or his business will be to kill Kṛṣṇa. That's all.\nSo this movement is cultural movement, Kṛṣṇa cultural movement. Of course, it is Indian movement, but it is not for only..., meant for only for the Indians. It is meant for everyone, because everywhere there are Kṛṣṇa's parts and parcels.\n[pause] [aside:] Sit down.\nSo if we want to be free from the clutches of māyā, the formula is very simple. Formula is very simple. In the Bhagavad-gītā it is said, daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā [Bg. 7.14]. To become liberated, to become free from the contamination of this mayic illusion, or māyā... There are many yogīs, they are trying to get out of the clutches of māyā, but the method is simple according to Bhagavad-gītā.\nKṛṣṇa says, daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā. You can try to get rid of..., out of the clutches of māyā in different ways, but it is very, very strong. It is not so easy to get out of the clutches of māyā. But immediately, He says, mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti: simply by surrendering unto Kṛṣṇa.\nWhat is that surrendering? \"Kṛṣṇa, I forgot You for so many births, from time immemorial. Now I surrender unto You. Please accept.\" This simple method. This simple method will make you liberated if you do it sincerely, without any, I mean to say, reservation.\nThat we are teaching. Simply kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam [SB 1.3.28]. And you surrender to Kṛṣṇa, and everything will be perfect. Your life will be perfect. That is injunction of all śāstras, and especially Bhagavad-gītā, the Supreme Personality of Godhead teaching personally.\nWhy do you say \"There is no God,\" \"What is God?\" I was surprised. When I was speaking in the Berkeley University, one Indian girl asked me, \"Swāmījī, what is God?\" You see? I inquired from her, \"Are you Indian? You are so misfortunate, you are coming from India—India is the place of Lord Kṛṣṇa, Lord Rāmacandra—and you are asking me what is God?\" So much degradation. Apan dhan vilaya ye vikram aje pare tyaje[?]. [laughter] You see?\nSo you should be careful now. You take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness very seriously and you'll be happy. That is our propaganda.\nThank you very much. Hare Kṛṣṇa. [end]",
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"content": "\n\nom ajñāna-timirāndhasya jñānāñjana-śalākayā\ncakṣur unmīlitaṁ yena tasmai śrī-gurave-namaḥ\n[I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who with the torchlight of knowledge has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance.]\nśrī-caitanya-mano-'bhīṣṭaṁ sthāpitaṁ yena bhū-tale\nsvayaṁ rūpaḥ kadā mahyaṁ dadāti sva-padāntikam\n[When will Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī Prabhupāda, who has established within this material world the mission to fulfill the desire of Lord Caitanya, give me shelter under his lotus feet?]\nhe kṛṣṇa karuṇā-sindho dīna-bandho jagat-pate\ngopeśa gopikā-kānta rādhā-kānta namo 'stu te\n[O my dear Kṛṣṇa, ocean of mercy, You are the friend of the distressed and the source of creation. You are the master of the cowherd men and the lover of the gopīs, especially Rādhārāṇī. I offer my respectful obeisances unto You.]\ntapta-kāñcana-gaurāṅgi rādhe vṛndāvaneśvari\nvṛṣabhānu-sute devi praṇamāmi hari-priye\n[I offer my respects to Rādhārāṇī, whose bodily complexion is like molten gold and who is the Queen of Vṛndāvana. You are the daughter of King Vṛṣabhānu, and You are very dear to Lord Kṛṣṇa.]\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma rāma rāma hare hare\nyathā dharmādayaś cārthā\nmuni-varyānukīrtitaḥ\nna tathā vāsudevasya\nmahimā hy anuvarṇitaḥ\n[SB 1.5.9]\n[Although, great sage, you have very broadly described the four principles beginning with religious performances, you have not described to such an extent the glories of the Supreme Personality, Vāsudeva.]\nThe defect in Vyāsadeva was being pointed out by his spiritual master, Nārada, that \"If... You have labored very hard in presenting dharmādayaḥ.\" Dharmādayaḥ means religiosity, economic development. Dharma-ādayaḥ. Ādayaḥ means beginning. That means human civilization should begin from religious principle. Otherwise, it is not human civilization. Dharmādayaḥ.\nTherefore in civilized nation there is religion. Maybe in different forms, but religion must be there. The same thing is explained by Nārada Muni, that dharmādayaḥ. First religion, then economic development. Not economic development first, and then sense gratification and then liberation.\nThe whole plan should be that people should understand that he is not animal. First thing. This is education. In the animal society there is no religion, but as soon as you claim to be in human society or civilized society, then there must be religion. Economic development secondary, next.\nOf course, according to medical consciousness they say ātmānam. Ātmānam means they say \"body.\" But ātmā means this body, this mind and the soul. Real meaning of ātmā is soul. So there is a verse, ātmānaṁ sarvato rakṣet: \"First of all try to save your soul.\" I think Lord Jesus Christ has also spoken something like that: \"If, after gaining everything, one loses his spirit soul, then what does he gain?\" Is it not?",
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"content": "\n So this is the principle. Ātmānaṁ sarvato rakṣet. One should give first protection to the ātmā. What is that protection? Protection from the onslaught of māyā, material nature. That is protection. At the present moment, I am under the influence of māyā, under the influence of the three qualities of māyā. So when I get the opportunity of this human form of life, my first business is how to protect this ātmā, soul.\nThe soul is transmigrating from one body to another. How foolish they have become! We are enjoying this nice body, human body or American body or very beautiful body. But next moment I do not know what body I am going to get. But those who are in the knowledge how transmigration takes place, they can say what kind of body you are going to take next by your activities.\nWe are preparing our body in our present life. Just like we have taken to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Our attempt is to prepare for having a spiritual body. That is the whole attempt. And those who are not in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, in material consciousness, they'll have also a body, but this material body means full of miseries. Any body you take, either you take the body of king or you take the body of a dog, the body is miserable. It does not mean that when there is disease, only the dog's body suffers, not the king's body. Everyone has to suffer.\nSo, ātmānaṁ sarvato rakṣet means..., real meaning is you should give protection to the ātmā, means trying to save this soul, your soul, or yourself, from this transmigration of the body. And the plain truth, very simple truth, is given in Bhagavad-gītā. Kṛṣṇa says, janma karma me divyaṁ yo jānāti tattvataḥ [Bg. 4.9].\n[One who knows the transcendental nature of My appearance and activities does not, upon leaving the body, take his birth again in this material world, but attains My eternal abode, O Arjuna.]\nSimply by understanding what is Kṛṣṇa... That is also not very difficult to understand if you follow the scriptural injunction. What is Kṛṣṇa? Kṛṣṇa, sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1].\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nHe is not ordinary man. His body is sac-cid-ānanda, full of bliss, eternal, and full of knowledge.\nSo is it very difficult to understand? He has given proof that Kṛṣṇa is always enjoying bliss. And Kṛṣṇa's instruction, knowledge, there is no comparison, Bhagavad-gītā and so many other instructions. And He is eternal. Just like the sun—sun is eternal, day and night. It is our adjustment of this planet. So Kṛṣṇa is there, just like the sun is there always in the sky, but we think, \"This is night, this is day.\"\nThat is adjustment of this planet. Similarly, Kṛṣṇa is always there. When He is visible we say that \"Kṛṣṇa is living,\" and when He's not visible we say, \"Kṛṣṇa is dead.\" So simply by understanding Kṛṣṇa, janma karma me divyaṁ tattvataḥ [Bg. 4.9], in truth, not whimsically. Not by your fertile brain, speculation: \"like this,\" \"like that,\" \"maybe,\" \"perhaps...\" Not this nonsense. Just try to understand Kṛṣṇa.\nSo simply by understanding Kṛṣṇa, janma karma me divyaṁ yo jānāti tattvataḥ tyaktvā deham, that person, after leaving this body, mām eti, he goes to Kṛṣṇa. And who can go to Kṛṣṇa unless he has got a spiritual body, the same sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1]?\nUnless one has the same vigrahaḥ... Just like we can understand that when we take birth in a particular place, say in Greenland, which is always full with ice, or some other place, so you have got a particular type of body you get. There the animals, there the man, they have got a particular type of body. They can bear the severe cold. We cannot.\nSimilarly, when you go to Kṛṣṇaloka you'll have a particular type of body. What is that particular type of body? Sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1]. Any planet you go, you must have particular body. So tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti [Bg. 4.9]. And as soon as you get eternal body, then you don't have to come back again to this material world. And that body, sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ body, means one who is completely conversant with the service, devotional service of... Because you cannot enter into the abode of Kṛṣṇa with your predominating propensity.\nIn this material world, our propensity is predominating. We want to predominate over you; you want to predominate over me. That is the competition here. So when we give up this predominating, false predominating spirit, \"I am Kṛṣṇa. I am the Lord of all I survey,\" this nonsensical understanding when we give up, surrender, vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19].\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nUnderstand \"Kṛṣṇa is everything, I am simply part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa,\" so if we remain part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa, then our freedom is attained actually. Otherwise there is no freedom. That is false. Mano-dharma. I am thinking, \"I am God,\" \"I am Kṛṣṇa,\" \"I am this,\" \"I am that.\" Nothing. This will simply put me under the clutches of māyā.\nTherefore, ātmānaṁ sarvato rakṣet means to put oneself in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Then your ātmā, your self, is protected. Ātmānaṁ sarvato rakṣet. Tato dharma. Tato dharma. After you understand. People do not understand what is his business. He thinks that \"My business is to eat, sleep, mate and die. That's all.\" This is animalism. Simply they are misled by animalistic civilization—eating, sleeping. That's all.\nHave good house for sleeping. Why? Now, these boys and girls, they are sleeping on the floor, sleeping on the open air. Where is the difficulty? The animals also can sleep. It is a practice only. We don't require any gorgeous arrangement for sleeping and living. We should simply try to elevate our Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Other things, all subordinate. That is ātmānaṁ sarvato rakṣet.\nĀtmānaṁ sarvato rakṣet tato dharmaḥ. Dharma. This dharma. Dharma means religion. Actually, \"religion\" is not exact equivalent of the word dharma. Dharma, as I have explained several times, you know... Dharma dhṛ-dhātu. Dharma means you exist by some natural symptom. That is called dharma. Everyone has got some natural symptom. That is dharma. According to Sanskrit meaning, that is dharma. Just like this light is a substance. What is his dharma, religion? To give light, to illuminate. So without illumination, there is no meaning of light.\nSimilarly, your dharma, what is your religion? Your religion is to serve Kṛṣṇa. That is your religion. Now you serve in a different way according to time, circumstances, country. That is a different thing. But your religion is to serve God. That is your religion. Jīvera svarūpa haya nitya-kṛṣṇa-dāsa [Cc. Madhya 20.108].\n[“It is the living entity’s constitutional position to be an eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa because he is the marginal energy of Kṛṣṇa and a manifestation simultaneously one with and different from the Lord, like a molecular particle of sunshine or fire. Kṛṣṇa has three varieties of energy.]\nCaitanya Mahāprabhu immediately gives you the definition of religion, or your occupation, natural duty, natural function. Always mind that. Just like the light's natural function is to give illumination, prakāśa, similarly, your natural function is to serve Kṛṣṇa. That's all. You have no other business. That is dharma. No other business. When we understand this convincingly, then we are situated in our religion.\nJust like Kṛṣṇa said. In the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā He says, dharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya. Just to reestablish religion. Dharma-saṁsthāpanārthāya. People forget. Nature's, material nature's function is that, to put you into illusion always. So our forgetfulness is also another illusion. We forget our relationship with God, or Kṛṣṇa.\nThen adharma. That is... Instead of becoming servant of Kṛṣṇa, I become servant of so many things. I become servant of my family, servant of my country, society, humanity, cats, dogs, so many things. Servant I remain, but I become servant of so many things.\nSo I have to convert from this servitorship to Kṛṣṇa's servitorship. Therefore Kṛṣṇa said, dharma-saṁsthāpana. This is dharma. Saṁsthāpana. What dharma, what kind of religion Kṛṣṇa established? He said that \"I incarnate to establish religion.\" He never came to establish Hindu religion or Christian religion or Muhammadan religion or Buddha religion. He established real religion. What is that real religion? Sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg. 18.66]\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\n\"You give up all these nonsense, so-called religion and faith. You simply surrender unto Me.\" That is religion. That is real religion. All other, any other religion which does not teach how to surrender unto God, that is pretension. That is not religion. According to Vedic understanding, this is religion. This is natural function.\nSo,\nātmānaṁ sarvato rakṣet tato dharmaṁ tato dhanam.\n[First of all try to save your soul.]\nFirst of all you try to protect yourself, then take to real religion, natural function of the ātmā. Then try to... Because we are in this material condition, we require economic development also. So that is very easy also. Kṛṣṇa has given you enough land—you just little work. The animals are there. The cows will give you milk. If you till a little land, you get some grains.\nThat is sufficient economic development. You don't require big factories, big workshop, and whole day and night with motorcar going this way and that way. No. There is no necessity for economic development. This is māyā. Simply at the end he will eat some grains or some this or that, little. And by whole day...\nTherefore they are called mūḍha. According to Bhagavad-gītā, they are rascals, mūḍha, ass. Just like ass, the beast of burden. He takes washerman's load, three tons, four tons. Whole day working, but eating a morsel of grass, that's all. He has no knowledge that \"I take a morsel of grass only, I live. And why whole day I bear these so much tons of clothing of the washerman?\"\nYou have no experience of the ass, ass's business. In India the washerman loads the ass three tons and he goes to the waterside, and the washerman washes all these clothings in some bank of river or reservoir of water. Again evening, the ass brings back the clothing.\nSo the karmīs, they have been described in the Bhagavad-gītā: mūḍha, ass, simply unnecessarily working day and night, whole day and night, you see, without taking care of the ātmā, without taking care of the religion. Economic development. What is this nonsense? You are losing yourself. You do not know what life you are going to get next life. You don't care for this. \"Never mind whatever life I get. This life I have got. Let me work hard and accumulate money.\" And where the money will be? \"Oh, in the bank. My sons and my daughters will enjoy.\" This is conception. Yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke [SB 10.84.13].\n[One who identifies his self as the inert body composed of mucus, bile and air, who assumes his wife and family are permanently his own, who thinks an earthen image or the land of his birth is worshipable, or who sees a place of pilgrimage as merely the water there, but who never identifies himself with, feels kinship with, worships or even visits those who are wise in spiritual truth—such a person is no better than a cow or an ass.]\nBodily, all bodily conception.\nAto gṛha-kṣetra-sutāpta-vittair janasya moho 'yam\n[SB 5.5.8].\n[The attraction between male and female is the basic principle of material existence. On the basis of this misconception, which ties together the hearts of the male and female, one becomes attracted to his body, home, property, children, relatives and wealth. In this way one increases life's illusions and thinks in terms of \"I and mine.\"]\nThis is illusion. This is illusion. Simply working like ass without knowing what is the end of life, what is the destination of life—all asses, all these karmīs. [chuckles] Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is very nice. You can understand what is what. Yes. That is knowledge.\nSo, tato dharmaṁ tato dhanam ātmany vikṛte sati kuto dharmaḥ kuto dhanam.[?] But if you do not understand your self, what you are, then what is the meaning of your religion and your economic development? You do not know what you are. First of all you must know what you are and what is your business, what is your destination, what is your aim of life. Then begin work, begin religious, become economic developer and so on, so on, so many things. But if you are in darkness to understand yourself, then what is the meaning of this accumulation of wealth or so-called religion, and so-called economic devel...? No.\nSo here Nārada Muni advises that \"You have explained...\" Dharmādayaś ca artha. \"In different literature you have divided the whole Vedas in understandable language, Purāṇas.\" Purāṇas means supplementary to the Vedas, to explain the Vedic knowledge according to the quality. Every human being is under some quality of the material nature. Some of them are in darkness, or ignorance. Some of them are in passion. And some of them are mixed ignorance and passion. And some of them are in light, or goodness. Not all in the same level.\nThere are different classes of men. Just like in our Hayagrīva's library we find so many philosophical books. But if you go to ordinary man you'll find some nonsensical literature, fiction and sex psychology, this, that. According to taste. According to taste, different taste. Because there are different classes of men. That will be explained in the next verse.\nHe says, Nārada Muni,\nna yad vacaś citra-padaṁ harer yaśo\njagat-pavitraṁ pragṛṇīta karhicit\ntad vāyasaṁ tīrtham uśanti mānasā\nna yatra haṁsā niramanty uśik-kṣayāḥ\n[SB 1.5.10]\n[Those words which do not describe the glories of the Lord, who alone can sanctify the atmosphere of the whole universe, are considered by saintly persons to be like unto a place of pilgrimage for crows. Since the all-perfect persons are inhabitants of the transcendental abode, they do not derive any pleasure there.]\nSo he is comparing all the books written by Vyāsadeva, including the Vedānta philosophy. He says that this is vāyasaṁ tīrtham. Vāyasaṁ tīrtham. Vāyasam means crows. And the crows, and their place of pleasure. Have you seen crows? In India we have got many crows. In your country crows are not very...\nBut in India the crows, they take pleasure in all nasty things, the crows. You'll find they will take pleasure in a place where all nasty things are thrown, garbage. They'll pick out the garbage, find out whether there is mucus, where there is pus. Just like flies, they'll sit down on the stool. Mākṣikaṁ bhramarā icchanti. And the bees, they will try to take honey. Even in the animals you'll see. The honey... The bees will never come to the stool, and the ordinary flies, they never go to collect honey.\nSimilarly, there are divisions in the birds, divisions in the beast, divisions in human society. So you cannot expect that ordinary person will come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. You see? Because they have been trained to become flies, they will taste stool. You see? The modern education is to teach people to become flies, only stool.\nNot here, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. But you make it a honeycomb. Those who are after..., seeking after honey, they will find, \"Here is something.\" You see? Don't make it a stool society. You see? Make it a honey society. At least, give chance, those who are seeking after honey. You see? Don't cheat people. So they will come.\nSo here Nārada Muni said that \"You have compiled so many books, that's all right. What is the idea? The idea is dharmādayaḥ. You are teaching religious principle.\" There are twenty viṁśati dharma-śāstrāḥ. This Manu-saṁhitā, Parāśara Muni's law, and social custom, this, that—so many things there are. These are originally by different sages, but Vyāsadeva made it..., compiled it just for proper use. People can understand them.\nSo he has explained all these books for use of the human society undoubtedly: how to become religious, how to develop economic position, how to understand what is liberation, how to satisfy restrictedly sense gratification. Just like in books, in Vyāsadeva's books, you will find these different kinds of... Just like those who are eating flesh. That is also given direction by Vyāsadeva, in the tāmasika-purāṇa, purāṇa for the persons who are in ignorance.\nSo he does not deny anybody. He has made books in such a way that any person reading books... Just like in school there are different classes, and different books are recommended for different classes. Similarly, Vyāsadeva has given the whole Vedic literature in such a nice way in the form of Purāṇas that any man can be elevated to the highest position, reading books like this.\nTake for example that one who is addicted to take intoxication, eating flesh, and sex life... Because these are natural instincts. Loke vyavāyāmiṣa-madya-sevā nityā hi jantor na hi tatra codanā [SB 11.5.11].\n[In this material world the conditioned soul is always inclined to sex, meat-eating and intoxication. Therefore religious scriptures never actually encourage such activities. Although the scriptural injunctions provide for sex through sacred marriage, for meat-eating through sacrificial offerings and for intoxication through the acceptance of ritual cups of wine, such ceremonies are meant for the ultimate purpose of renunciation.]\nNobody is required to give lesson, to teach. Nobody required to be taught how he has to make sexual intercourse. Nobody has to be taken, I mean, given lesson how he can become intoxicants. Don't you see that the intoxicants, intoxicated person, they have become automatically? There is no university. There is no educational system that \"You become... , take LSD like this.\" No. That is a natural tendency. To become intoxicated, to take liquor, LSD, gāñjā, pān, oh, very easily you can learn. To use sex life...\nLoke vyavāya... These, they are natural instincts. They can be..., automatically they will be done. There is no question of... Then what is the use of book? Book is for restricting. That they do not know. When Vyāsadeva recommends that you must have sex life by marriage, that means restriction. That means restriction. You cannot have sex life here and there unrestrictedly.\nYou have got one wife or one husband, and that is also restricted: only for begetting child you can have sex life. So many things. The whole idea is restriction. Not that \"Because I have got a wife it is a machine for sex life.\" No, no. A marriage mean..., that does not mean. Marriage does not mean like that. It is restriction.\nThe whole Vedic civilization is to bring men to the transcendental platform by restricting all his nonsense habits to nil. But not all of a sudden. Gradually, according to the quality. Similarly, those who are addicted to flesh-eating, meat-eating: \"All right.\" Vedic literature says, \"All right. You can eat meat. But sacrifice an animal before the deity, Goddess Kālī, and you can eat.\" So that the man who is eating meat, he'll not revolt. If I say... Just like many men revolts already. That girl? What is called?",
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But not the useful animal, cow, the most useful animal, the cow.\nSo these books, these literatures, I mean to say, Vedic literatures, are meant for restricting our life and elevating ourself. So Nārada says that \"You have explained all these religious principles, or sense gratification, economic development, very nicely.\n[break] ...na tathā vāsudevasya mahimā hy anuvarṇitaḥ. So therefore our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is simply for glorifying the Lord. That is the only business. Not... Other things are secondary. That is being taught. So if you want to write books, you write books by glorifying the Lord.\nNa yad vacaś citra-padaṁ harer yaśaḥ...\n[SB 1.5.10]. \n[Those words which do not describe the glories of the Lord, who alone can sanctify the atmosphere of the whole universe, are considered by saintly persons to be like unto a place of pilgrimage for crows. Since the all-perfect persons are inhabitants of the transcendental abode, they do not derive any pleasure there.]\nNārada says, citra-padam api... Vāsudeva-vyatiriktānya-viṣaya-jñānavād evānya-viṣayaṁ vāk-cāturyam. Śrīdhara Svāmī, he comments [chuckles] that except describing the glories of the Lord, any literature, any science, any contribution is simply a jugglery of vocabulary. That's all. Jugglery. Vāk-cāturyam. Vāk means vocabulary, and cāturya means jugglery. Simply setting some words in a jugglery way just to draw people's attention to waste time, that's all. Vāk-cāturyam. Vāsudeva-vyatiriktānya-viṣaya-jñānavād evānya-viṣayaṁ vāk-cāturyaṁ [ca] khilam, khilam eva ity aha, khilam. It is insignificant.\nCitra-padam api yad vaco harer yaśo na pragṛṇīta. You can write nice books using your literary career, metaphor and, what is called, so many things; they are producing nice literature. But if there is no glorification of the Lord, then, harer yaśo pragṛṇīta tad vāyasaṁ tīrtham. Then it is just like the place where the crows take pleasure. That's all. Because such kind of literature will be accepted by men who are like crows.\nTad vāyasaṁ tīrthaṁ kāka-tulyānāṁ kāmināṁ yati-sthānam uśanti manyante.[?] Just like kāminām, those who are very lustful, what is their pleasure spot? That vagina, that's all. That urinal. That is their pleasure. Is urinal is very nice place? But he's sophisticated. He finds, \"Oh, this is very nice place.\" This analytical study, [chuckling] how Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is revolting, but... [laughter]\nBut we must talk the real thing, [laughing] that this commentator, Śrīdhara Svāmī, he has given very nice example: kāmināṁ rati-sthānam. As the lusty man finds pleasure in the vagina, similarly, this sort of literature, nonsense literature, are enjoyed by persons who are just like crows, not, what is called, swan.\nSwan will not go to that place. They will search out some place where there is nice transparent water and lotus flower, lilies, and nice trees and good birds. They are taking enjoyment. So even if you see among the animal society, in the bird society there is discrimination, and if in the human society there is no such discrimination, what kind of civilization that is? A crows' civilization. Black crows' civilization. Simply trying to take pleasure in nonsensical clubs, in liquor shop, in so-called cinema. They are trying to take pleasure there. They'll not...\nNārada is comparing that \"Your so-called books describing about this dharma-artha-kāma-mokṣa [SB 4.8.41, Cc. Ādi 1.90] is just like the kāka's, or the crow's, pleasure-hunting.\"\n[Any person who desires the fruits of the four principles religiosity, economic development, sense gratification and, at the end, liberation, should engage himself in the devotional service of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, for worship of His lotus feet yields the fulfillment of all of these.]\nNa yad vacaś citra-padaṁ harer yaśo jagat-pavitram\n[SB 1.5.10].\n[Those words which do not describe the glories of the Lord, who alone can sanctify the atmosphere of the whole universe, are considered by saintly persons to be like unto a place of pilgrimage for crows. Since the all-perfect persons are inhabitants of the transcendental abode, they do not derive any pleasure there.]\n\"But if you produce a single literature wherein simply there is glorification of God, anyone who will read, he'll derive some immediately transcendental benefit.\" Produce a page only, Back to Godhead. Oh, that will bring revolution to the human society about understanding of spiritual life. Don't produce nonsense literature. Try for one page.\nMānasa. Mānasa sattva-pradhāne mānasi vartamāna haṁsa. Haṁsa means the swans. Therefore called paramahaṁsa. A highly elevated spiritual person is called paramahaṁsa. Paramahaṁsa... In the sannyāsa stage there are four stages of development: kuṭīcaka, bahūdaka, parivrājakācārya and paramahaṁsa. Kuṭīcaka...\nWhen a person takes sannyāsa he lives in a cottage outside the village, but does not go home. But he's not accustomed to travel or to beg from door to door; so whole day and night he keeps himself in that cottage, and from his relative and home something is supplied for his fooding. That is the stage of kuṭīcaka: to take supply from home.\nThen next stage is bahūdaka. When he comes to the understanding that \"I have given up my home. Why shall I take help from my home? I am considering that home is my place. Why not everyone my friends?\" Vasudhaiva kuṭumbhakaḥ[?]. \"Everyone is my family. Everyone,\" that is next stage. So he can go to everyone, \"Will you kindly give me one cāpāṭi?\" Who will not give a sannyāsī? Anyone will give. They are trained also like that, that any gṛhastha, householder, if a sannyāsī comes, immediately he should be received and respected. That is also Vedic culture.\nA sannyāsī should be treated as the children of the society. Everyone. Still there is. If in a village a sannyāsī goes, he will get hundreds of invitation: \"Swāmījī, please come. Take your bhikṣā at my place.\" So he has no question of eating and living. So many people will give him shelter. He'll not be in the wilderness. If actually a sannyāsī, he travels all over the country, he has no problem. Village to village, everyone will receive him. It is called bahūdaka.\nAnd then parivrājakācārya. Then, when he still further elevated, then he gives instruction. Why he should eat only without giving something to them? He'll feel like that. \"Why for nothing I shall accept food from others? I must give something. So whatever knowledge I have got I must distribute.\" This is parivrājakācārya.\nAnd when one is experienced in everything and he is above all material affection, that is called paramahaṁsa. Haṁsa. Why...? Haṁsa means swan. Why he's compared with haṁsa? The haṁsa has got a qualification to take the essence. If you give a swan milk mixed with water, he'll..., he has got some tactics, he'll simply take the milk casein, and the water will be there, remain there.\nSimilarly, haṁsa means one who has taken the essence of this cosmic manifestation. What is that essence? Kṛṣṇa. Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19]. Everything, all manifestation, all activities, they're all Kṛṣṇa's energy. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is the center. Just like the same way: what is this material cosmic manifestation? It is the sun. That's all. Similarly, there are millions of suns. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is the ultimate. Kṛṣṇa-sūrya. Sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam [Bs. 5.1], causes of all cause. So one who takes Kṛṣṇa, he's paramahaṁsa.\nSo every Vaiṣṇava, every devotee of Kṛṣṇa, pure devotee of Kṛṣṇa, is a paramahaṁsa. So you..., we are teaching people to become immediately paramahaṁsa, highest stage of sannyāsa. And the method is simply chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. You see? The post is paramahaṁsa. Vaiṣṇava... Vaiṣṇava means paramahaṁsa. He's above brāhmaṇa, above sannyāsī. But we must be real Vaiṣṇava. Vaiṣṇava means ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānuśīlanam [Cc. Madhya 19.167]. Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam [Brs. 1.1.11].\n[When first-class devotional service develops, one must be devoid of all material desires, knowledge obtained by monistic philosophy, and fruitive action. The devotee must constantly serve Kṛṣṇa favorably, as Kṛṣṇa desires.]\nThere is no other desire, material desire. Desire means material desire, this contaminated desire. It does not mean that we shall not desire to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. That desire is real desire. And any other desire, anyābhilāṣitā, for some material benefit, that is not required. But if we can keep ourself without any material desire, without any propensity for enjoying fruitive result...\n\"I am doing something, I must enjoy this result. I must be enjoyer,\" this is called jñāna-karma. Or \"I must try to understand Kṛṣṇa by my speculative method.\" Why? Kṛṣṇa is explaining Himself. Why don't you try to understand Him in that way? Nonsense, what speculative power you have got? Simply you'll commit blunder. Why?\nKṛṣṇa says, \"I am this, I am this, I am that, I am that.\" In the Bhagavad-gītā, explains. God says. Why don't you understand Him as He says? If I say that \"I am from India. My birthplace is in Calcutta. I have got five children. I was formerly a businessman,\" then why do you understand to speculate about me? What is the use of this speculation?\nIf you actually want to know what Swāmījī is, Swāmījī says that \"I was householder, and I was doing medical business. I have got five children,\" and this and that, so that is sufficient. Why do you want to know Swāmījī by speculation? Similarly, these rascals will try to understand Kṛṣṇa by speculation. No. There is no need. Paramahaṁsa. That is paramahaṁsa stage.\nSo Śrīdhara Svāmī says, haṁsa jatayo. Jatayo means great sages, saintly person. Haṁsa jatayo yatra na niramanti karhicid api na nitaram ramante. Just like our students, Kṛṣṇa conscious person, if he is invited, \"Come on, there is a nice picture in the cinema,\" no. He'll never go. He'll never go. [chuckles] Because he has become haṁsa. He is not a crow, that he'll go such places. Why? What is there? So haṁsa, here it is said, tad vāyasaṁ tīrtham uśanti mānasāḥ. They reject, reject. Uśanti mānasā na yatra haṁsā niramanty uśik-kṣayāḥ [SB 1.5.10].\n[Those words which do not describe the glories of the Lord, who alone can sanctify the atmosphere of the whole universe, are considered by saintly persons to be like unto a place of pilgrimage for crows. Since the all-perfect persons are inhabitants of the transcendental abode, they do not derive any pleasure there.]\nThere was an incidence in my life. I was, of course, at that time householder. So one my friend, he was going to cinema with his family, and he saw me. I was in the street, and he immediately stopped his car and he asked me that \"You come. We are going to cinema.\" So I refused, that \"If you give me one thousand dollars, still I shall not go to cinema.\" So he dragged me. He took me to the cinema house, but I never entered. I came back. You see? Because it was detestful.\nSo when one becomes completely separated from all these material desires, even if you offer him some profit, he'll not accept. It is the test. Na yatra haṁsā niramanty uśik-kṣayāḥ. Because his mind is absorbed in greater things. Uśik-kṣayāḥ. Brahman. Uśik-kṣayāḥ means Brahman. Uśika kamanīyam brahman kṣayo nivaso yeṣāṁ te, tathā prasiddha haṁsa mānasi sarasi carantaḥ.\nŚrīdhara Svāmī explains: just like swans, they take pleasure in the mānasa-sarovara, in a place where transparent water, lily and very nice garden. They take pleasure. Yathā prasiddha haṁsa mānasi sarasi carantaḥ kamanīya-padma-khanda-nivāsaḥ. You'll find swans, they will gather near the lotus flower and dive there and entangle them with the stem. That is their pleasure, to remain surrounding the lotus flower.\nKamanīya-padma-khanda-nivāsa tyakta-vicitrannadi yukto 'py ucchista-garte kāka-krīḍa-sthāne na niramanti. They are not like the crows, who are simply trying to take some pleasure from the garbage place. That's all. What is there in the garbage? They are all rejected, thrown away. But the crows will go there. They'll pull on something, \"If there is something there, something?\"\nSo, as there is a natural distinction between the crows and the swans, similarly, there is distinction between a Kṛṣṇa conscious person and ordinary person. The ordinary persons are compared like the crows, and a fully Kṛṣṇa conscious person is just like swans and ducks.\nThen he says,\ntad-vāg-visargo janatāgha-viplavo\nyasmin prati-ślokam abaddhavaty api\nnāmāny anantasya yaśo 'ṅkitāni yat\nśṛṇvanti gāyanti gṛṇanti sādhavaḥ\n[SB 1.5.11]\n[On the other hand, that literature which is full of descriptions of the transcendental glories of the name, fame, forms, pastimes, etc., of the unlimited Supreme Lord is a different creation, full of transcendental words directed toward bringing about a revolution in the impious lives of this world's misdirected civilization. Such transcendental literatures, even though imperfectly composed, are heard, sung and accepted by purified men who are thoroughly honest.]\nOn the contrary, this is a kind of literature very nicely written, metaphorical, and poetry, everything. But there is no question of glorifying the Lord. That is compared with, just like the same place, where the crows will take pleasure. On the other hand, other kind of literature, what is that? Tad-vāg-visargo janatāgha-viplavo yasmin prati-ślokam abaddhavaty api [SB 1.5.11]: a literature presented to the people, to the public for reading, which are even grammatically incorrect, but because there is glorification of the Lord, it can produce revolution. It can purify the whole human society.\nMy Guru Mahārāja, when he was selecting articles to be published in The Harmonist, if he sees simply that there is..., several times the writer has written \"Kṛṣṇa,\" \"Lord Caitanya,\" like that, he passes immediately: \"All right. It's all right. [laughter] It is all right.\" That so many times he has uttered \"Kṛṣṇa\" and \"Caitanya,\" so it is all right. [chuckles] So similarly, even if we present our Back to Godhead or any other literature in broken languages, it does not matter, because the glorification of the Lord is there.\nThat is recommended by Nārada. Tad-vāg-visargo janatāgha-viplavaḥ. Janatā agha. Agha means sinful activities. If one reads one line of this literature, although it is presented in broken language, but if he simply hears there is \"Kṛṣṇa,\" then his sinful activities immediately vanquish. Janatāgha viplavaḥ. Tad-vāg-visargo janatāgha-viplavo yasmin prati-ślokam abaddhavaty api nāmāny anantasya [SB 1.5.11]. \nAnanta means the unlimited. His name, His fame, His glory, His qualities are described. Nāmāny anantasya yaśo 'ṅkitāni. If glorification is there, even they are presented in broken language, then śṛṇvanti gāyanti gṛṇanti sādhavaḥ. Just like my Guru Mahārāja, sādhu, a saintly person, immediately passes: \"Yes. It is all right.\" It is all right. Because there is glorification of the Lord.\nOf course, general public will not understand. But this is the standard, standard version, spoken by Nārada. You write something; the aim should be simply to glorify the Supreme. Then your literature is pavitra, purified. And however nicely, either literally or metaphorically or poetically, you write some literature which has nothing to do with God, or Kṛṣṇa, that is vāyasaṁ tīrtham. That is pleasure spot for the crows. This is the version of Nārada Muni. We should be taking note of this.\nAnd for the Vaiṣṇava there is one qualification: poetic. You should... Everyone should be poetic. So... But that poetry, that poetry language, should be simply to glorify the Lord. Then it is... Just like Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura, Locana dāsa Ṭhākura, they are poets. They have produced so many songs. But about whom? About Kṛṣṇa.\nSimilarly, under the instruction of Nārada, now Vyāsadeva will produce a literature like Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, which is simply glorification of the Lord and His devotees. Bhāgavata. Bhāgavata means the Lord, and bhāgavata means pertaining to the Lord. So pertaining to the Lord, everything. Vāstava-vastu vedyam atra [SB 1.1.2].\n[Completely rejecting all religious activities which are materially motivated, this Bhāgavata Purāṇa propounds the highest truth, which is understandable by those devotees who are fully pure in heart. The highest truth is reality distinguished from illusion for the welfare of all. Such truth uproots the threefold miseries. This beautiful Bhāgavatam, compiled by the great sage Vyāsadeva [in his maturity], is sufficient in itself for God realization. What is the need of any other scripture? As soon as one attentively and submissively hears the message of Bhāgavatam, by this culture of knowledge the Supreme Lord is established within his heart.]\nIn the beginning of Bhāgavata it is said vāstava-vastu. Vastu means substance, the summum bonum. And vāstava: in relation to the summum bonum.\nSo if we try to understand everything in relationship with Kṛṣṇa, then we understand vāstava reality. That is reality. If we study something minus Kṛṣṇa, that is not real knowledge. Actually, Kṛṣṇa is the original cause of all. Sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam [Bs. 5.1].\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nSo unless we come to the point of Kṛṣṇa, any understanding, any knowledge, is imperfect.\nSo we shall discuss later on. Thank you. [end]",
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"content": "\n..but I asked whether there is ventilator he said, \"no.\" The [indistinct] did not know... hoping [break] cheap relief, now they've got a chance [break] [indistinct] It requires some strength in the world [indistinct] again [indistinct] in this way print and selling books and stocking books you will get rich and it will be propagation of the mission and the saṅkīrtana movement\n[indistinct] but whether we are prepared and [indistinct] philosophy print books and [indistinct] and make that awarding salaries [indistinct] burden [indistinct] books [indistinct] talking, simply talk of philosophy [indistinct] and the Deity room upstairs. They are not interested in the Deities, they are interested in philosophy [indistinct] make this propaganda clear [indistinct] [break] [break] we don't require much [indistinct] downstairs make a lecture room office and for men. [indistinct] Women [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nThis is what we need. That's a very good idea. All over India.",
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"content": "\nBombay we will have more Diety worship. Everywhere... here also Diety worship must go on.",
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"content": "\nThe idea of book selling and distributing that I am speaking off. Not the polit... Not for this quarter but the idea of printing cheap editions and distributing on a wide scale is a very good way to preach.",
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"content": "\nSchools and colleges it is recommended that this should be read by the college students.",
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"content": "\nAnd we will get devotees, many devotees.",
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"content": "\nAs soon as they read our books they will come.",
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"content": "\nEspecially high school.",
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"content": "\nEh?",
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"content": "\nEspecially in high school.",
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"content": "\nHigh school, college and government officers. Somehow or another induce them to read our books. We open some [indistinct] [break]. Any sane man will read our books you will find. Because this writing was not [indistinct] even [indistinct] the rascal [indistinct] simply making business and cheating. [indistinct] all our pride actually [indistinct] if somebody can say authoritatively about God that would be, nobody else.",
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"content": "\nHm.",
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"content": "\nNobody.... Nobody has clear idea.... Actually [indistinct] unnecessary joined.",
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"content": "\nAll the books are... Is completely abstractions, the books you can see that about spiritual life from other people they are completely abstract. There is nothing clear.",
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"content": "\nNothing clear.",
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"content": "\nNo. Because they have no clear idea. Vague idea.",
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"content": "\nAnd people will... Foolish men will accept it, \"oh he knows so much.\" Because I don't understand but why not let them understand something. You've seen some of the type of books that?",
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"content": "\nI don't ask, but to see I don't ask them.",
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"content": "\nCompletely abstract.",
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"content": "\nThey will speak of highly post. \"Formally I was not so advanced.\" Still I've never liked to read this Ramakrishna kind of book or Ravindra Tagore [indistinct] and Gandhi's literature. I don't [indistinct] that was my [indistinct] special protection [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nOne night in Bombay. When any of our students are attracted to look at another book. I tell them the story that one night in Bombay someone gave you a set of his books and you used them as plates for sweets. And handed them back to the devotees.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] there is only a few books Bhāgavatam [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] [break]\nHm.... [break]",
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"content": "\nI was thinking of leading a saṅkīrtana party provided I get some. At least half a dozen educated [indistinct] [break]",
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"content": "\nVillage to village.",
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"content": "\nOr you can make [indistinct]. [break] Intelligent class of people but the Indians they do not come to take it. They come [indistinct] mostly. Make some profit.",
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"content": "\nHm.",
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"content": "\nSo did you talk with Ramānanda?",
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"content": "\nI sent a telegram and I followed up with a letter, explaining. [break]",
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"content": "\nOne birth... What [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nMinibus.",
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"content": "\nEh?",
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"content": "\nMinibus.",
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"content": "\nMinibus. Don't stop [?] Then he can [indistinct] travel all over India. With our own camp. India is not so cold.",
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"content": "\nNo. We can have tent.",
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"content": "\nTents yes.",
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"content": "\nPrepare our own prasādam, distribute.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] also and in the evening kīrtana.",
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"content": "\nKīrtana.",
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"content": "\n...and you will have no expenditure you will go to village and village as you like..",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nIf you prepare well.",
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"content": "\nDefinitely.",
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"content": "\nSome supplies, milk, rice, wheat, vegetables, ghee. Cook nicely eat and invite [indistinct] many citizens if they like they will come and [indistinct] and kīrtana. Marvellous.... And they have already heard about us and when they hear that we are coming [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nThey said they will go from village to village ahead of us.",
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"content": "\nOnly thing is four men should go ahead, one village to bring on[?] [indistinct]... another some men another village he must hand out special leaflets. Or second batch of tents arranged [?] [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nHm.",
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"content": "\nAnd this man goes next. They go next.",
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"content": "\nHm.",
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"content": "\nIn this way you make nice preparation. Every day new village or a new students. And when [indistinct] take their men travel to the centre and go on with saṅkīrtana... We have got Hindi books Gita Press we don't require to publish. Gita Press is called Bhāgavata dharma but they are sometimes talking nonsense. Still in the village whenever there is question of Bhāgavata class, oh hundreds and thousands people.",
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"content": "\nHm.",
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"content": "\nHundreds and thousands of them. [break] there are many temples [break] in the western countries [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nYes the travelling parties.",
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"content": "\nWe have to fight with these demons, we have [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nWe had that program in Africa.",
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"content": "\nHm.",
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"content": "\nWe would go from town to town to town. They would arrange in advance for us and we would just. We didn't even know where we were going, we'd just go. And then we would find out who was in the next town and the next town.",
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"content": "\nAlready prepared.",
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"content": "\nYes and we didn't have to worry about any. Because they would give us all accommodations.",
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"content": "\nThe Africans?",
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"content": "\nNo no the Indians, they would give us accommodation's booked. We would arrange programs for both Africans and Indians. For the Indians we would arrange either in some big man's house or in some temple and for the Africans [break] halls, they have these halls... Social halls where they meet. And we did every village and we never had a… Spend anything. Our food was… Everyone... Everything was taken care of. And we collected tons of money distributed tons of books.",
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"content": "\nThen go on with that. That we need.",
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"content": "\nDid somebody went ahead or not? [?]\nNo they would telephone ahead and they would arrange. They would always know the people in the next town who to contact.",
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"content": "\nI see. They like it... [break] Half Indians half [indistinct] but there is no good preacher even.... [break]",
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"content": "\nYes, it is very cold.",
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"content": "\nAh.",
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"content": "\nKṛṣṇa's arrangement.",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] because it is made of earth better arrangement [break] well, new well water. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] forest.",
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"content": "\nIn Māyāpura that's where I discovered that in the morning the well water is warm and in the daytime the well water is cold, it is so nice. Not that when you take a bath in the morning the water it is very warm.",
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"content": "\nLike underneath the tree during winter it is warm and during summer it is cold. I have seen practically in London in Regent's Park there is a small lake. Everything in it.... What's it called? It becomes... Ice, the water, what's it called?",
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"content": "\nFrozen.",
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"content": "\nFrozen, yes. The water is frozen but in parts when there is a tree above the water that wasn't frozen. I marked it, that means it gives warmth.",
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"content": "\nHm.",
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"content": "\nExcept that part everything is frozen but the... Underneath the tree it is not.",
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"content": "\nYes.\nHm.",
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"content": "\nThis I have marked whilst walking. Other parts the seagills, seagills?",
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"content": "\nSeagulls.",
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"content": "\nThey are walking.",
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"content": "\nBut not in that part?",
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"content": "\nThat part... It's solid for swimming.",
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"content": "\nYes. Yes, the children they used to also walk and where it gets near the tree they could not walk, the ice would become thin so you don't walk.",
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"content": "\nThat means it is warm. During in winter season underneath the tree you can get warm. Therefore under... To live underneath the tree is safe both seasons.",
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"content": "\nHm.",
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"content": "\nAnd rainy season also, the storm, the rain will not keep. Even the leaves will tolerate and give you shelter. In a great storm if you remain underneath the tree you don't feel anything. The tree will do like this [laughs] you remain safe and then if the tree falls down. Generally it does not but sometimes an old tree will displace.\nSo any amount of wind or storm may go on if you are under the tree you don't feel anything. And if a small canopy underneath the tree will protect you from rain and there rain with full strength cannot, everything falls on the leaves tuk, tak, tuk, tak. On a small canopy.... Nature's way of giving protection not only to the birds, towards the human beings. In Africa when I saw they prepare regular cottage up upon the hill.",
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"content": "\nYes.... Well when we were in Florida, Gargamuni Svāmī, Viṣṇujana Svāmī and myself we were sometimes staying in a house in a tree.",
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"content": "\nWas it comfortable?",
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"content": "\nWell it was a little small [laughs]. But it was nice.",
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"content": "\nAt night?",
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"content": "\nWe would sleep there.",
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"content": "\nNo animals.",
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"content": "\nNo no one would come.",
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"content": "\nEven that animals, tigers cannot get up.",
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"content": "\nHm.",
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"content": "\nSnakes may get up.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nSnake or, or other wild animals.",
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"content": "\nIf leave a kerosene lamp and they won't come.",
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"content": "\nYes, there is light they wont.",
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"content": "\nVery comfortable living in a tree. Simply you make a platform, tie it on, you don't even have to nail, on the branches.",
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"content": "\nYes, very nice.... And passing urine and stool that is also not difficult.",
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"content": "\nHaṁsadūta\n:\n [introduction on tape] The following lectures were recorded in Calcutta, India, starting January 6th, 1970 [sic], following the Surat lectures, preceding lectures some were recorded at Māgh-melā. So these are being inserted under emergency conditions, being copied from Devānanda's tape recorder. And following these lectures we will have the other lectures in sequence from the Māgh-melā. All these lectures are on the story of Ajāmila, from the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.\n\nhare kṛṣṇa hare kṛṣṇa\nkṛṣṇa kṛṣṇa hare hare\nhare rāma hare rāma\nrāma rāma hare hare\nśrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya\nprabhu-nityānanda\nśrī-advaita gadādhara\nśrīvāsādi-gaura-bhakta-vṛnda",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\nYes. Stop. [break]",
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"content": "\nThis [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Mosquito?",
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"content": "\n Yes.",
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"content": "\n Oh. [laughter] Many, many?",
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"content": "\nUhm, a [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nWithout mosquito curtain you cannot sleep.",
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"content": "\n No, we can sleep anywhere. But at Advaita Bhavan there's a fair amount of mosquitoes at night. But there's not so many that you can't sleep without mosquito coil burning.",
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"content": "\n Ohh. That's all right. [break]",
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"content": "\n ...wild goats, [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nHmm. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\nThe rats in Hawaii are not so big as the rats here. They're only about this big, the body.",
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"content": "\n Every house has rats?",
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"content": "\n Not every house. No.",
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"content": "\n At least Advaita Bhavan has got.",
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"content": "\n They were some, but they cleaned them out. They got rid of them. I'm not sure that's actually are rat poison.\n [indistinct conversation between devotees]\n We were getting a cow, but we joined with ISKCON just before we got the cow. We were going to get one for four hundred dollars. It was giving sixteen quarts a day and had a calf.",
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"content": "\n Sixteen quarts?",
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"content": "\n A day, yes. There was a small calf also.",
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"content": "\n There must be grazing ground for cows.",
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"content": "\nYes.",
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"content": "\nThen there is no problem.",
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"content": "\n There was a grazing ground. The lawn would grow. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n What is that? A recording?",
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"content": "\n Little.",
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"content": "\n Why? These are not important thing.",
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"content": "\n Dr. Murti, how are you?",
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"content": "\n Fine.",
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"content": "\n Thank you. So come forward. All come forward.",
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"content": "\n Swāmījī, you'll have to excuse me just a few minutes early. I have an appointment with many people this evening. [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n Oh.",
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"content": "\nI'm trying to convince them to make the temple [indistinct].",
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"content": "\nAt 8 o'clock you want to leave? That's all right. This is microphone for speaking, like this? Hare Kṛṣṇa. [someone begins to play harmonium]",
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"content": "\n[indistinct] pitch? Not too high and not too low?",
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"content": "\nHare Kṛṣṇa. It has to be like this. All right. I can try. This is also the same?\n[tests microphone:] Hare Kṛṣṇa. So, just begin kīrtana.\n[02:11]\n[kīrtana] [prema-dhvani] [devotees offer obeisances] [referring to microphone]\n[26:35]\nBut there is no support? Keep it like this.",
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"content": "\n Do you want me to hold it for you?",
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"content": "\n Oh, that is nice.",
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"content": "\n It may go around the neck, on a chain. [adjusting microphone]",
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"content": "\n Hare Kṛṣṇa. Yes. That's fine.\n[pause] Hare Kṛṣṇa. We shall begin Bhagavad-gītā. So I request you to come regularly so long I shall speak on the Bhagavad-gītā, and from the very beginning I shall try to make you understand the process of reading Bhagavad-gītā and the conclusion of the Bhagavad-gītā. By analytical study, I shall try to present.\nSo Bhagavad-gītā is the science of God. Everything has scientific process of understanding. In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is said, jñānaṁ me parama-guhyaṁ yad vijñāna-samanvitam [SB 2.9.31].\n[The Personality of Godhead said: Knowledge about Me as described in the scriptures is very confidential, and it has to be realized in conjunction with devotional service. The necessary paraphernalia for that process is being explained by Me. You may take it up carefully.]\nKnowledge, or science of God, is very confidential. This science is not ordinary science. It is very confidential. Jñānaṁ me parama-guhyaṁ yad vijñāna-samanvitam. Vijñāna means... Vi means specific. It is a specific knowledge, and it has to be understood by specific process.\nGenerally we understand, we acquire, knowledge by direct perception, experimental knowledge, direct perception. But bhagavad-vijñāna, the science of God, is so extensive and so intricate that it is not possible to apply our imperfect senses to understand the science of God. Then we have to understand with our senses. Otherwise what is the meaning of understanding? Hear.\nTherefore these senses, when they will be purified, then we can understand. Just like a man cannot see due to some cataract complication, but if the cataract portion is surgically operated, he can see all. Treatment. Similarly, it is said in the śāstras that ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ [Cc. Madhya 17.136].\n[“’Therefore material senses cannot appreciate Kṛṣṇa’s holy name, form, qualities and pastimes. When a conditioned soul is awakened to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and renders service by using his tongue to chant the Lord’s holy name and taste the remnants of the Lord’s food, the tongue is purified, and one gradually comes to understand who Kṛṣṇa really is.’]\nOur senses are very imperfect. That we can understand. For example, we are daily seeing the sun globe, but our experience is just like a disc, because my eyes cannot see things placed in long distance, neither can see which is very near. Just like the eyelid is just attached to the eye, but I cannot see. This is imperfect. Neither we can see very close, neither we can see very long distance, neither we can see in darkness.\nThere are so many conditions. If those conditions are fulfilled, then our senses can act. Therefore it is to be understood that our senses are imperfect. Therefore Bhāgavata says ataḥ, therefore, śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi [Cc. Madhya 17.136, Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.2.234],\n[Because Kṛṣṇa's form, qualities, pastimes, etc. are all on the absolute platform, material senses cannot therefore appreciate them. When a conditioned soul is awakened to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and renders service by using his tongue to chant the Lord's Holy name and taste the remnants of the Lord's food, the tongue is purified and one gradually comes to understand who Kṛṣṇa really is.]\nŚrī Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, nāmādi... Nāma means His name, His holy name; ādi, that is the beginning. To understand Kṛṣṇa is to begin chanting His name, nāma. Nāmādi. Ādi means in the beginning. Therefore we recommend the students to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi. Nāma means after you understand or realize nāma, then you'll understand His qualities, transcendental qualities.\nWhen, in the Vedic scripture, when it is said that the Absolute Truth is nirguṇa... Nirguṇa means..., guṇa means quality, and nir means negative. And nir, nir, na arthe. Nir also used to ascertain. So nirguṇa can be used in two senses. The first sense is negative, \"no guṇa, no quality,\" and the second is \"it is difficult to ascertain.\"\nSo both can be applied in the understanding of the Absolute Truth. How? First thing, He has no quality. He has no quality means He has no material quality. He has no material quality. In the Vedic literature it is said that apāṇi pādo javano grahītā [Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad 3.19]:\n[The Supreme Lord has no material hands and feet but accepts whatever is offered to Him and moves very quickly. The Supreme Person has no material ears and eyes but sees and hears everything. He is the knower of everything, and He is all that is to be known. It is said that He is the best and the greatest of all persons.]\nThe Absolute Truth has no hands or legs, but He accepts everything. Now this acceptance... Suppose if you are giving me something, if I accept, then it is supposed that I have got hands or I have got senses. So when in the Vedic literature it is said that the Absolute Truth has no hand or leg, that means He has no hand and leg as we conceive in this material world.\nWhen we speak of hand, immediately I think \"my hand\" or \"your hand,\" but this is limited. So when we cannot adjust that God has got hands and also legs... In the Upaniṣads it is said that God, the Absolute Truth, Brahman, can walk so fast that even air cannot go so fast. In this way, there are description.\nSo that means, as stated in the Brahma-saṁhitā, that īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ [Bs. 5.1].\n[Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.]\nHis form—He has got form undoubtedly—but His form is different. The Māyāvādī philosopher, whenever they think of form, they think in terms of his own form. That is their defect. Therefore it is said in the Bhāgavata, ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi. Śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāma is not ordinary nāma, name. Nāma means name. Śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāma is transcendental, absolute.\nThere is no difference between the name and the person and object. Here, there is difference. The name and the object is different. Water and the name \"water\" and the substance water—different. I cannot satisfy my thirst simply by chanting \"water, water.\" But by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, I can realize God. That is the difference.\nTherefore we have to purify our senses. These senses will give you opportunity to hear His transcendental name, to see His transcendental form, to understand His transcendental quality, and so many things. He has got His name, He has got His qualities, He has got His form. Then He has got His associates. Everything. Whatever we see in this material world, they are simply perverted reflection of the reality. Real form is there.\nReal name is there in the spiritual world. Just like my name, \"such and such,\" your name, \"Mr. John.\" This \"John\" is not actually your name, because you are spirit soul, eternal. But this \"John\" name is in relationship with this temporary body. As soon as this body is finished, the \"John\" name is finished. Then again, you take another body, you have got another name. Therefore this is not your name.\nBut Kṛṣṇa, His name in the spiritual world and in this world, the same. His name does not change. Ataḥ śrī-kṛṣṇa-nāmādi na bhaved grāhyam indriyaiḥ sevonmukhe hi jihvādau [Cc. Madhya 17.136].\n[“’Therefore material senses cannot appreciate Kṛṣṇa’s holy name, form, qualities and pastimes. When a conditioned soul is awakened to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and renders service by using his tongue to chant the Lord’s holy name and taste the remnants of the Lord’s food, the tongue is purified, and one gradually comes to understand who Kṛṣṇa really is.’]\nBy service attitude. Svayam eva sphuraty adaḥ. The name, form, quality, associates, when we are in service attitude, they become revealed to us. It is not that... Just like we ask you, \"What is your name?\" So if I ask God, \"O God, what is Your name?\" God is not subject to our such, I mean to say, challenging. You see? He will not reveal His name. You cannot understand.\nIf you want to know God by your challenge, that \"I can understand, I can see; therefore I shall see God, then I'll...,\" you'll never see Him. You'll never see. God is not under your challenge. Therefore the qualification of understanding God is surrender. Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja [Bg. 18.66].\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\nAnd the process of understanding God is from God, not from others. He's so great, how can you understand by your mental speculation?\nSo here in the Bhagavad-gītā, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is revealing Himself by His causeless mercy. So how does He reveal, we shall try to explain from the Fourth Chapter:\nimaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ\nproktavān aham avyayam\nvivasvān manave prāha\nmanur ikṣvākave 'bravīt\n[Bg. 4.1]\n[The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ikṣvāku.]\nThe Lord says that \"This confidential yoga system was explained by Me formerly to the sun-god, Vivasvān.\" There is, in every planet, there is a chief man or chief deity, and he has got different names. Just like in heavenly planet there is also chief man or chief deity, who is called Indra. Or the moon planet, he is called Candra. The sun planet, he is called Vivasvān. This is the name of the chief man. Just like in your country the chief man is called the president, or in other countries they call him so many... In some countries the chief man is called the king or the president, like that. So this is post.\nYou can also occupy that post. If you are qualified, you can become the president of your country. Similarly, the post of sun-god, Vivasvān, also you can occupy if you are qualified. You can occupy the post of Brahmā. This is... They are also living entities like us. Just like President Johnson is also a living entity like you, but he is elevated to that position for his quality, similarly, if you attain such quality, you can become the chief deity or chief man in many other planets. Yānti deva-vratā devān pitṝn yānti pitṛ-vratāḥ [Bg. 9.25]. \n[Those who worship the demigods will take birth among the demigods; those who worship ghosts and spirits will take birth among such beings; those who worship ancestors go to the ancestors; and those who worship Me will live with Me.]\nThese things are described.\nSo when we speak, as Kṛṣṇa is saying, that imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam [Bg. 4.1], that means this Bhagavad-gītā was spoken long, long before. It is not that Arjuna is the first man who heard Bhagavad-gītā from Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa said that \"This yoga system I spoke to Vivasvān, sun-god.\" And vivasvān manave prāha: \"And the sun-god explained this science to his son, Manu.\"\nManu is the forefather of the mankind. In Sanskrit, from manu, it has come manuṣya or mānava. Mānava-jāti, in Sanskrit. So manu from \"man.\" And similarly, in English also, from manu the mankind or the man. The original word is Manu. Here it is said that vivasvān manave prāha.\nFormerly, there were transportation service from one planet to another. That transportation service is still existing, but not with this planet. But higher planetary system there is transportation service from one planet to another by different kinds of airplanes. And in the Siddhaloka... There is another planet, which is called Siddhaloka. In the Siddhaloka the living entities or human beings are so advanced in yogic practice that they can travel with this body from one planet to another. These description are there in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Second Canto.\nAnd in this planet also there are many yogīs even still existing, they can travel in this planet very swiftly by yogic power. There are many yogīs who daily take bath in four places: in Prayāga, in Rāmeśvaram, in Jagannātha Purī and in Haridwar. Still there are some yogīs in India. So they can transfer themselves, transport themselves, from one place to another very quickly. So there was no difficulty in communicating with Manu or Manu's son, Ikṣvāku. The communication was there, or the radio system was so nice that communication could be transferred from one planet to another.\nSo here it is said that vivasvān manave prāha manur ikṣvākave 'bravīt. First of all, this was spoken to sun-god, Vivasvān, and Vivasvān spoke to his son, Manu, and Manu spoke to his son, Ikṣvāku. This Mahārāja Ikṣvāku happened to be ancient emperor on this planet, and in his dynasty Lord Rāmacandra appeared, Mahārāja Ikṣvāku. He is kṣatriya. These are all kṣatriya. Sūrya, Vivasvān, is also kṣatriya. There are two kṣatriya families: one from the sun and one from the moon, candra-vaṁśa and sūrya-vaṁśa. They're existing.\nAnd the Indo-European stock, they are also coming from the kṣatriyas. From the history of Mahābhārata we can understand the Āryan families who migrated to Europe, they also belonged to this sūrya-vaṁśa or candra-vaṁśa. Anyway, that is another department of knowledge. Here it is said that..., Kṛṣṇa says that \"I spoke this philosophy, or this system, or this doctrine of Bhagavad-gītā, yoga.\"\nThis is also yoga. This is bhakti-yoga. Bhakti-yoga is the direct method of approaching God. Imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam [Bg. 4.1]. This yoga is infallible. It is never lost. Avyayam. Avyayam means it has no annihilation, because it is transcendental. Anything spiritual, transcendental, has no annihilation. Even matter has no annihilation. Modern science says conservation of the energy. So in God's creation there is no question of annihilation. But the difference between matter and spirit is this, that matter is, the nature of matter is, bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate [Bg. 8.19].\n[Again and again the day comes, and this host of beings is active; and again the night falls, O Pārtha, and they are helplessly dissolved.]\nIt appears; it manifests. Just like you prepare a pot from clay, and some day the pot will be annihilated, but it will go to the clay again, and again you can prepare from clay, pot. Just like the garbages. You are throwing daily, and again you are getting material from earth to manufacture so many things. So this is going on.\nThis karma-yoga... This world is so made that the matter is there. You simply take it and transform the shape. That is your activity. Avidyā-karma-saṁjñānyā tṛtīyā śaktir iṣyate [Cc. Madhya 6.154].\n[“’The internal potency of the Supreme Lord, Viṣṇu, is spiritual, as verified by the śāstras. There is another spiritual potency, known as kṣetra-jña, or the living entity. The third potency, which is known as nescience, makes the living entity godless and fills him with fruitive activity.]\nIn the Viṣṇu Purāṇa it is said that this material world is full of ignorance. Just like children, they make so many playthings from earth or clay and again break it. And this practice is very prominent in your country. I see in big cities like New York, Boston, very nice buildings, well built with stone and iron, breaking it, and again some skyscraper.\nAnd it is suggested in your Almanac, World Almanac, that next hundred years they will break all these buildings and they will go underground. Yes. Because atomic age. So nobody will... I have read it in the World Almanac. The prediction is there that world, next hundred years, nobody will live on the surface of the earth. Everyone go subway. And when they want some pure air, they'll come out to see what is the surface of the world. It is suggested. You can read it.\nSo this nature of material world is like that. Punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām [SB 7.5.30].\n[Prahlāda Mahārāja replied: Because of their uncontrolled senses, persons too addicted to materialistic life make progress toward hellish conditions and repeatedly chew that which has already been chewed. Their inclinations toward Kṛṣṇa are never aroused, either by the instructions of others, by their own efforts, or by a combination of both.]\nChewing the chewed. You chew something, you throw it, and again somebody comes, chewing it. You see? Punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām. Bhāgavata says that they are engaged with this material body and material activities. Just like you are changing, bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate, we are changing our body from one body to another. Similarly, as with the change of my body my activities are also changed. The material is supplied by the material nature, and my activities are different. In this way I am going on. Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate.\nBut we cannot come to the conclusion that if there is any possibility for eternal life or eternal activity or no change... Because you don't want change. Even at the time of death you are very sorry because you have to change the body. Even for changing one apartment for another apartment we are sorry. Therefore for a sannyāsī it is recommended that he should not live more than three days in a place. Because as soon as he lives more than three days, he'll get some attachment. Attachment. So he is forbidden. But at the present moment everything has changed.\nSo bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate. We are in the existence of changing, always transforming from one platform to another, one form to another, one business to another. But our nature is eternal. Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre [Bg. 2.20].\n[For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.]\nThis is..., all this explained in the Bhagavad-gītā. So how we can get that eternal life, eternal nature, eternal happiness and eternal knowledge—the Bhagavad-gītā is meant for that purpose. If you are interested for eternity, then Bhagavad-gītā is very congenial.\nSo this science was spoken first of all to Vivasvān, the sun-god. He spoke to his son Manu, and Manu spoke to his son Ikṣvāku. And in the second verse, the Lord says, evaṁ paramparā-prāptam: \"In this way, by disciplic succession,\" evaṁ paramparā-prāptam [Bg. 4.2].\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\nThat means the process of understanding this particular type of yoga... \n[break] ...any yoga or this yoga—is to understand from disciplic succession. Paramparā. Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg. 4.2]. \nRājarṣayaḥ means all the names mentioned here, either Vivasvān or Manu or Ikṣvāku, they were all great emperors and kings. Formerly the emperors and kings were familywise. Just like... At least, in England we have got the king by familywise, in every country it was... Now monarchy is abolished. So these kṣatriyas, they were qualified.\nThere was no question of democracy. At the present moment, by democracy if somebody can some way or other acquire some votes, he becomes the chief man. But formerly the practice was that a qualified man who is trained, a king, he was on the seat. They were called rājarṣi. Rājarṣi means practically they were sages. Just like Mahārāja Janaka.\nThere were many kings, ideal kings: Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Mahārāja Rāmacandra. Many kings. Even Mahārāja Parīkṣit, five thousand years before, he was so responsible king that when he was on tour he saw that one cow was being attempted to be killed, and the cow was crying.\nAnd at once the king stopped, \"Who are you? In my kingdom a cow is crying? I shall immediately kill you.\" So the king was so responsible that even animal was not allowed to be dissatisfied, what to speak of man. So they were so responsible. Therefore they were called rājarṣi. Rājarṣi. And it is particularly, everything, knowledge is meant for high class of men. Low class of men, what they will understand?\nSo this Bhagavad-gītā was spoken to the rājarṣis, the great kings who were just like saints and sages. They were on the throne, but they were all, I mean to say, dedicated souls for the peace and prosperity of the people. Just like Mahārāja Parīkṣit. When he was born, this Mahārāja Parīkṣit is the... What is called? Posthumous son? Born after the death of his father? What is called, English word?",
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"content": "\nPosthumous. So his father died before his birth. In the Battle of Kurukṣetra there were two parties, cousin-brothers, fighting. So Mahārāja Parīkṣit's father, Abhimanyu, the son of Arjuna, he was only sixteen-years-old boy, but he was fortunately married. His marriage is also very peculiar. The daughter was... Uttarā was offered to Arjuna, but Arjuna said that \"This girl, I have treated her as my student.\" He was teacher. \"I cannot marry. She is my daughter.\"\nSo then Arjuna said, \"I have got grown-up son. I'll arrange her marriage with my son.\" So Uttarā was married with his son at the age of sixteen years. The boy and the girl, both were sixteen years old, and they were married. Fortunately, when the battle was going on, this boy was also called to fight, and the girl was pregnant. But the boy never returned. He died in the battlefield. So Parīkṣit Mahārāja remained in the womb of his mother.\nSo after the Battle of Kurukṣetra, everyone died. That child was the only, I mean to say, descendant of the whole Kuru dynasty. So he was very carefully protected, and the attempt was made to kill this child also by the other party, but Kṛṣṇa saved him. Anyway, when the child was born, Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, his grandfather... Five grandfathers, no son, only one grandson. So the system is when a child is born, great paṇḍitas and brāhmaṇas are called to ascertain the future history of the child. Nāma-karaṇa. What is called? There is a particular name.\nSo Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira was very much anxious to know how this child will be affectionate to his prajā. Just see. The astrologer was speaking so many things about the child, that \"He'll be like this, he'll be like this, he'll be like this.\" But he was anxious that \"Whether he'll be worthy of our dynasty.\" Because in this dynasty, this sūrya-vaṁśa, all the kings were just like father of the citizens. \"Whether he'll be like that or he'll be exploiter?\" Then the brāhmaṇas explained, \"No, this child will be like this,\" and actually he was that.\nSo these rājarṣis, they were great personalities. They were, although on the royal throne, they were not for luxury and tax collecting. No. They were just exactly like real father, always thinking of the happiness of the prajās. It was actual democracy. There was committee of the brāhmaṇas who guided the king, and the king was, I mean to say, control over the citizens by the guidance of the brāhmaṇas. This was the system. So here it is said, evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg. 4.2].\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\nThis system for understanding Bhagavad-gītā was current. Kṛṣṇa says to Arjuna.\nNow He says also, sa kālena iha mahatā yogaḥ...\n[break] ...spoke the secret of this Bhagavad-gītā to his son Manu. Manu spoke the secret of the Bhagavad-gītā to his son Ikṣvāku. So now that system is now lost. Kālena mahatā: by the great power. Kāla means time. Time has got his influence, very great influence. Time's business is, whatever you make, time will try to kill it. That's all.\nYou make a nice house, very nice house, but as soon as it becomes older it is being killed. You have very good body, nice body, but the influence of time is trying to kill you. That is the influence of time. So in the Bhagavad-gītā you'll also find that when Arjuna saw the universal form of Kṛṣṇa, he asked that \"Who are You?\" And Kṛṣṇa said in that universal form that \"I am Kāla. I have come to kill.\" That's it. This was the answer.\nSo kāla's business is—kāla, time—to kill. So here also it is said, sa kālena iha, kālena mahatā. Mahatā is also kāraṇa, and kālena, by the influence of..., that is now lost. Because it is a struggle. Our struggle for existence means we are trying to exist, but kāla is fighting to kill. That is going on. So kāla's business, time's business is to kill, but that system is now lost, is now killed by the influence of time. Sa kāleneha..., yogo naṣṭaḥ parantapa.\nThen, what is to be done? Sa eva ayaṁ mayā te adya yogaḥ proktaḥ purātanaḥ [Bg. 4.3]. \n[That very ancient science of the relationship with the Supreme is today told by Me to you because you are My devotee as well as My friend; therefore you can understand the transcendental mystery of this science.]\n\"So I have already begun to teach you about this Bhagavad-gītā. So it is not a new doctrine that I'm presenting before you.\" That, called... Sa eva ayaṁ mayā te 'dya yogaḥ proktaḥ purātanaḥ. Purātanaḥ means the same old system, purātana. Purātana means purāṇa. Purāṇa means the old, historical events. Purāṇa. And this Mahābhārata, Mahābhārata is also... Mahābhārata, great history. And the Śrīmad-Bhāgavata is also called Mahā-Purāṇa, the great history of olden days.\nSo here also, the same word is used, that Kṛṣṇa says sa eva ayam: \"This yoga system, the Bhagavad-gītā yoga system which I am now speaking to you, is very old. How old you can imagine, that I first spoke it to the sun-god.\" If you calculate only the age of Manu, it is about forty millions of years ago, to speak the minimum. So anyway, it is very, very old. Not that it is doctrine which is presented...\nJust like in the modern educational system somebody is presenting some doctrine, and he's getting the title \"Doctor,\" some new thesis. It is not like that. There is nothing to be researched. Eternal knowledge has nothing to be researched. There is no question of research. It is already established. Otherwise there is no meaning of eternal.\nSo this knowledge of Bhagavad-gītā is eternal. It is not a product of modern research or doctrine. Purātanaḥ sa eva. Sa evāyaṁ mayā te adya. Adya means \"today.\" \"Today I am speaking on the battlefield.\" Yogaḥ proktaḥ purātanaḥ. \n\"Why You are selecting me? Why You are selecting me and why this battlefield? You are speaking a philosophical doctrine and the science of God, and You are speaking to me. I am not a Vedāntist, I am not even a brāhmaṇa, I am not even sannyāsī. Ordinary gṛhastha. Of course, I have got the privilege that I am Your friend. So much so. Otherwise, yoga system is not to be spoken to me. Why You are speaking to me?\" This may be questioned. Why specifically it was spoken to Arjuna? The reply is, bhakto 'si: \"The only qualification is that you are My devotee. That's all.\"\nTherefore from the very beginning it is to be understood one who is not a devotee of Kṛṣṇa, he cannot understand what is Bhagavad-gītā. Those who are not devotees... There are different classes of men. Some of them are karmīs, some of them are jñānīs, some of them are yogīs and some of them are bhaktas. The enlightened, cultivated persons, they can be divided into four groups. Those who are ordinary men, they do not know anything except to keep this body comfortably. They're materialistic, more or less. In this life or next life they simply want material comfort. They are called karmīs.\nAnd jñānīs... Jñānīs means they are disgusted with this karma. Because there is a time, a point, when they become disgusted. Just like the American young men, they are now disgusted with this material civilization. So they are searching after knowledge. But unfortunately, the state is also not very enthusiastic, and there are many who are exploiting. But here is the knowledge. And that point comes, when the karmīs become disgusted, confused. Because the spirit soul, he wants spiritual life. He cannot be happy with any amount of materialistic life.\nIn our childhood we read one poetry that a boy has brought one bird, and the bird is talking with the boy. \"My dear bird, you live with me. I shall give you very nice fruits. I shall talk with you,\" and so many things. But the bird says, \"No, I want to go away. I want to go away.\" \"No, I shall give you a golden cage. You don't go away.\" So he says, \"No, no. I don't like golden cage. I want freedom.\" So that was talk. So similarly, if a bird is kept in golden cage and if golden foodstuff is supplied to him, it is not happy. It is not possible.\nSimilarly, we are spirit soul. Any amount of material happiness will never make me happy. That is a fact. But due to our ill faith, we do not know what is happiness. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇum [SB 7.5.31].\n[Persons who are strongly entrapped by the consciousness of enjoying material life, and who have therefore accepted as their leader or guru a similar blind man attached to external sense objects, cannot understand that the goal of life is to return home, back to Godhead, and engage in the service of Lord Viṣṇu. As blind men guided by another blind man miss the right path and fall into a ditch, materially attached men led by another materially attached man are bound by the ropes of fruitive labor, which are made of very strong cords, and they continue again and again in materialistic life, suffering the threefold miseries.]\nThey do not know what is the ultimate aim of life, what is the goal of life. They are trying to be happy with this matter, and the material happiness means sex life, and they are trying to squeeze the sex life in different ways. Yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukhaṁ hi tuccham [SB 7.9.45].\n[Sex life is compared to the rubbing of two hands to relieve an itch. Gṛhamedhis, so-called gṛhasthas who have no spiritual knowledge, think that this itching is the greatest platform of happiness, although actually it is a source of distress. The kṛpaṇas, the fools who are just the opposite of brāhmaṇas, are not satisfied by repeated sensuous enjoyment. Those who are dhīra, however, who are sober and who tolerate this itching, are not subjected to the sufferings of fools and rascals.]\nThat is not possible. That is not possible. Therefore this Bhagavad-gītā yoga system, which is very old... Forty millions of years before, ago, it was spoken. And before that it was also spoken. That is not stated here. Because it is eternal. Avyaya, purātanaḥ, old.\nSo who is qualified to understand Bhagavad-gītā? You can understand. Those who are not bhaktas, they can also understand superficially. Just like one has got the bottle of honey. If one thinks that \"I have got the bottle of honey. Let me lick up the bottle,\" so licking the bottle, what taste you will get?\nThe bottle has to be opened and see what is there. [laughter] And if a rascal thinks that \"I am licking this bottle, I am eating honey, I am tasting honey,\" he's a rascal number one. Simply. So similarly, if one is not bhakta, if one is not Kṛṣṇa's devotee, that rascal cannot understand Bhagavad-gītā. Plainly. Plainly it is stated here.\nFirst of all, try to become the devotee of Kṛṣṇa. Then try to understand what is Bhagavad-gītā—not by your scholarship or by your speculation. Then you'll never understand Bhagavad-gītā. If you have to understand Bhagavad-gītā, then you have to understand by the process as stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, not by your own mental speculation. This is the process of understanding. Bhakto 'si me sakhā ceti [Bg. 4.3].\n[That very ancient science of the relationship with the Supreme is today told by Me to you because you are My devotee as well as My friend; therefore you can understand the transcendental mystery of this science.]\nBhakta means... Who is bhakta? Bhakta means one who has revived his eternal relationship with God. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam [Cc. Madhya 19.170].\n[“’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nNow in this body I am thinking, \"I am American.\" But how long I am American? I am American so long this body is there. That's all. I am thinking, \"I am Indian.\" I am thinking, \"I am brāhmaṇa,\" \"I am this or that,\" whatever I may think. How long? So long this body is there. And the next life? If you get a dog's body, then you'll think \"I am dog.\" If you get a cat's body, then you'll think \"I am cat.\"\nSo bhakta means not that superficial relationship. My relationship with the society, family, country or humanity, they're all superficial because my body is superficial. The real relationship is with Kṛṣṇa. Mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ [Bg. 15.7]. \n[The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.]\n\"All these living entities are My part and parcel,\" Kṛṣṇa claims. Sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya sambhavanti mūrtayaḥ yāḥ [Bg. 14.4]:\n[It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kuntī, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father.]\n\"In each and every species of life, as many forms as there are, they're all My parts and parcels.\" Kṛṣṇa [is] explaining like that.\nSo bhakta means when we revive our relationship how I am connected with Kṛṣṇa. Then he is bhakta. Then he is bhakta. That relationship is pervertedly reflected in this material world. That relationship. As somebody is related with Kṛṣṇa as master and servant, that is reflected here also. There is master and servant, but the both of them are cheating one another.\nThe master is trying to exploit the servant, and the servant is trying to exploit the master. They are also forming unions, how to exact money from the capitalist, and the capitalist trying to exploit this labor from the laborers. So here, that master and servant is there, but both of them are cheaters and cheated. That's all.\nSo if we really want to be master and servant, the supreme master is Kṛṣṇa, and you engage yourself in His service, you'll never be cheated. You'll never be cheated. You want to love. You love Kṛṣṇa as your husband or lover, you'll never be cheated. You love children. You love Kṛṣṇa as your child—just like Yaśodāmāyi accepted Kṛṣṇa as his [her] child—you'll never be cheated.\nSo the same relationship is there, but it is perverted reflection, and there is no happiness. But when we become bhakta or establish one's relationship with Kṛṣṇa... Just like Arjuna. Arjuna is bhakta. What kind of bhakta? Bhakto 'si me sakhā, sakhā ceti [Bg. 4.3]: \"You are bhakta, at the same time My friend.\" So to become bhakta means either you become a friend of Kṛṣṇa or a servant of Kṛṣṇa or a lover of Kṛṣṇa or father of Kṛṣṇa or mother of Kṛṣṇa. In this way, there are so many. Or you become enemy of Kṛṣṇa, just like Hiraṇyakaśipu.\nSo this is the process of understanding Bhagavad-gītā. Therefore I am speaking from this Fourth Chapter. The secret of understanding Bhagavad-gītā is here, and if you follow these principle... Just like when you purchase one bottle of medicine from the, I mean to say, drug shop, there is dose. Read, \"This medicine is to be taken by this dose.\" If you follow the direction of the bottle label then you get benefit. Similarly, here is the direction: evaṁ paramparā-prāptam [Bg. 4.2].\n[This supreme science was thus received through the chain of disciplic succession, and the saintly kings understood it in that way. But in course of time the succession was broken, and therefore the science as it is appears to be lost.]\nYou have to understand Bhagavad-gītā from the disciplic succession, and that means one who is devotee, a devotee. Devotee. This disciplic succession, devotee. Otherwise there is no possibility. If that disciplic succession is something else than devotional service, then he cannot understand Bhagavad-gītā.\nThere are many practical experiences, and so many scholars, books we have studied, and their commentary is all nonsense because they are not bhakta. They try to understand Bhagavad-gītā simply by their academic qualification. That is not possible. That is not possible. If somebody is trying to [understand] Bhagavad-gītā by his academic qualification... What is the value of this academic qualification? It has no value in the presence of spiritual science. It is a different thing. It is to be understood in a different process.\nSo we shall discuss this Bhagavad-gītā how Arjuna understood. If... This is a clear fact mentioned here, that before Arjuna, before meeting Arjuna, the science of Bhagavad-gītā was lost. Here it is clearly said. Sa kāleneha yogo naṣṭaḥ parantapa [Bg. 4.2]. That was lost. Although it is eternal, still, because the paramparā system, or the disciplic succession, broke, therefore the real meaning or real purport of Bhagavad-gītā was not received. It was broken.\nNaṣṭa means the paramparā system broken. Therefore Kṛṣṇa is appointing Arjuna to understand because he is devotee and friend. So if you accept Bhagavad-gītā as Arjuna understood it, then you are directly hearing from Kṛṣṇa. That is the process.\nThank you very much. Any question?",
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"content": "\n The same thing. Same thing. In the four [fourth?] verses Lord Kṛṣṇa informed about the Bhagavad-gītā. Jñānaṁ me parama-guhyaṁ yad vijñāna-samanvitam [SB 2.9.31].\n[The Personality of Godhead said: Knowledge about Me as described in the scriptures is very confidential, and it has to be realized in conjunction with devotional service. The necessary paraphernalia for that process is being explained by Me. You may take it up carefully.]\nThe same thing. When Kṛṣṇa says either to Brahmā or Arjuna, He says the same thing. He does not change.",
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"content": "\n And that disciplic succession from Lord Brahmā, that was not broken?",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is also bona fide. There is no difference between the disciplic succession from Brahmā or disciplic succession of Arjuna. There is no difference. Because the message is the same. Here, naṣṭa means that paramparā is naṣṭa. The disciplic succession was broken. It is not found, somebody who is coming in that disciplic succession.\nThe disciplic succession, either from Brahmā... There are four disciplic succession of the devotees—the Brahma-sampradāya, the Rudra-sampradāya, the Śrī-sampradāya and the Kumāra-sampradāya. So they are all the same.\nMr. Balakrishna, you have got any question? No? [chuckles] All right.\nMr. Mukherjee? Dr. Murti? No? Yes.",
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"content": "\n The yoga systems in the Bhagavad-gītā, karma and jñāna... Karma turns into karma-yoga, jñāna system is jñāna-yoga with bhakti, and they can't be...",
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"content": "\n Yes, when you add this word yoga, that means bhakti. Yoga means bhakti. Somebody is addicted to these material activities, so they are advised to act in the terms of karma-yoga. What is that karma-yoga? The karma-yoga, if somebody is describing the Bhagavad-gītā, yat karoṣi. \"Whatever you are doing, kuruṣva tad mad-arpaṇam [Bg. 9.27].\n[O son of Kuntī, all that you do, all that you eat, all that you offer and give away, as well as all austerities that you may perform, should be done as an offering unto Me.]\nYou are working? All right. What you have earned?\" \"One thousand dollars.\" \"Give Me.\" Are you prepared? Kṛṣṇa is asking, kuruṣva tad mad-arpaṇam.\nSo if anyone is agreed, \"Yes, Kṛṣṇa, here is the money for You,\" then he's a karma-yogī. Otherwise he's a karmī. And the difference between karma-yogī and karmī means he has to suffer the result, good or bad, and karma-yogī has nothing to suffer, because he's doing everything for Kṛṣṇa. Just like Arjuna.\nIn the beginning he considered that \"If I kill my kinsmen and my grandfather, I'll be sinful.\" Yes. But the same thing he acted under the direction of Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa wanted. So he's free.\nSo karma-yogī means he is free from the reaction of activities. He is karma-yogī. Similarly jñāna-yogī. Somebody is addicted to work very hard. Somebody is addicted to speculate philosophically. So for the speculator, Kṛṣṇa says, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate [Bg. 7.19].\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nThe persons who are addicted to speculative knowledge, after many, many births, he comes to the understanding, vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19]: \"Vāsudeva, Kṛṣṇa, is everything.\" That means termination of knowledge. That is jñāna-yoga. If by his research work he tries to understand what is Kṛṣṇa by philosophy or by science or anything, by chemistry, by physics...\nThat is recommended in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam:\nataḥ pumsam dvija-śreṣṭhā\nvarṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ\nsvanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya\nsaṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam\n[SB 1.2.13]\n[O best among the twice-born, it is therefore concluded that the highest perfection one can achieve by discharging the duties prescribed for one's own occupation according to caste divisions and orders of life is to please the Personality of Godhead.]\nSvanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam. It doesn't matter in whatever activities you are engaged, but if you want to know whether your engagement is leading to perfection, then this is the test of perfection. What is that test of perfection? Saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam: whether by your work the Supreme Personality of Godhead is satisfied. Just like Arjuna did. Arjuna, in the beginning, he wanted to satisfy himself by not fighting, and he fought to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. That is perfection. Saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam. Yes.",
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"content": "\n I wonder what is the [indistinct] of the śloka where it states that,\nsarvāṇīndriya-karmāṇi\nprāṇa-karmāṇi cāpare\nātma-saṁyama-yogāgnau\njuhvati jñāna-dīpite\n[Bg. 4.27]",
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"content": "\n Yes. What is the number? Here.\nsarvāṇīndriya-karmāṇi\nprāṇa-karmāṇi cāpare\nātma-saṁyama-yogāgnau\njuhvati jñāna-dīpite\n[Bg. 4.27]\n[Those who are interested in self-realization, in terms of mind and sense control, offer the functions of all the senses, as well as the vital force [breath], as oblations into the fire of the controlled mind.]\nNow you have studied. What is your understanding?",
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"content": "\n I have no understanding. I want to know this. [laughter]",
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"content": "\n Sarvāṇīndriya-karmāṇi ātma-saṁyama. This yoga, the haṭha-yoga system, means to control the senses and control the mind. Sarvāṇi karmāṇi indriyāni, karmendriya. The yoga system's basic principle is to stop the material activities. Sarvāṇīndriya karmāṇi prāṇa-karmāṇi cāpare.\nThere are the controlling of different airs passing within this body: apāna-vāyu, prāṇa-vāyu, vyāna-vāyu. That is the yoga system, controlling the breathing. Ātma-saṁyama. The whole thing is for ātma-saṁyama, for controlling the mind and senses. If one is unable to control the mind and senses, then he is simply wasting time. And that ātma-saṁyama can be directly practiced by bhakti-yoga.\nWhat is that? Now the same example can be given, that Arjuna was a fighter. So in the beginning he was considering, \"Whether I shall fight or not.\" That was also ātma-saṁyama. But actually ātma-saṁyama was when he did not fight for his sense gratification. That is. Similarly, when we engage our senses...\nBecause senses means they want some activity. Just like our eyes. If... The eyes want to see something beautiful. The tongue, tongue wants to taste something very sweet. The ear, it wants to hear something very melodious. In this way we have got our different senses. But the yoga system is trying to stop them. Now, just try to understand.\nNow, here, the bhakti-yoga system is that if you stick to the hearing of Hare Kṛṣṇa and the music, melodious music of khol, karatāla, then naturally you become detestful for hearing other songs. So this is practically indriya-saṁyama. The bhakti process is that sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170].\n[“’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nYou cannot stop the senses to work. That is the negative process. Because the senses are meant for working. Therefore you have to give better engagement to the senses. That will be explained in the... It is already explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, Second Chapter, paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate [Bg. 2.59]. \n[The embodied soul may be restricted from sense enjoyment, though the taste for sense objects remains. But, ceasing such engagements by experiencing a higher taste, he is fixed in consciousness.]\nParaṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate. If you force one... If you force one to stop, it is very difficult. Therefore so many yogīs also failed.\nJust like Viśvāmitra Muni. By force, he was trying to control his senses, but as soon as the sense got opportunity, one Menakā, a heavenly society girl, came before him, he became captivated. He became captivated. These examples are there. And the child was born, Śakuntalā. You know, everyone. So he was a great yogī. He also failed, because it was artificially being tried.\nBut there is another instance, Ṭhākura Haridāsa. He was to be... He was also enticed by a prostitute at night, but he turned the prostitute to be a devotee. You see. At night, she came. She was induced by some of Haridāsa's opponent's party, and she came, very beautifully dressed, at night, and Haridāsa Ṭhākura said, \"How you have come here?\" \"Oh, you are so nice, so beautiful, so young. So I have come to embrace you.\" Like that, whatever. So \"All right. Please sit down. I shall fulfill your desire. Let me finish my chanting, then we shall enjoy life.\" [laughter]\nSo he was chanting, the morning came. So the prostitute became disturbed. \"It is now...\" \"All right. I could not finish my chanting. So come this night, I shall fulfill.\" In this way, second night, third night, when she came, she surrendered: \"Sir, I came with this purpose. Please save me. This is my business.\" So Ṭhākura Haridāsa told, \"Yes, I know that. But because you came to me, therefore I stayed for three days..., three days to purify you. Now I'm glad that you are purified. You sit down here, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. I am going from this place.\"\n[break] ...Viśvāmitra failed, but this bhakti-yogī, he conquered. This is karmendriya. If you want to force your senses to stop work, it is very difficult. But if you engage your senses for transcendental loving service of the Supreme Lord, it will be automatically, automatically stopped. That is stated. Ātma-saṁyama juhvati jñāna-dīpite [Bg. 4.27].\n[Those who are interested in self-realization, in terms of mind and sense control, offer the functions of all the senses, as well as the vital force [breath], as oblations into the fire of the controlled mind.]\nThat jñāna, that jñāna means knowledge. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19].\n[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]\nIf that stage of knowledge is achieved, that \"Kṛṣṇa, or Vāsudeva, is everything, and I am eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa,\" that is perfection of jñāna.\nSo when that perfection of jñāna comes, then he engages his senses. Hṛṣīkeṇa hṛṣīkeśa-sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate [Cc. Madhya 19.170].\n[“’Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one’s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.’]\nWhen your senses are purified and you engage them in the service of the Supreme Lord, Hṛṣīkeśa, the master of the senses, that is called bhakti. That is the highest perfection. So we have to engage our sense, sarvāṇīndriya-karmāṇi, by understanding, by coming to the, I mean to say, mature platform of knowledge. If you engage your senses in the Supreme, that is real controlling senses. Artificially if we want to control our senses, it is very difficult.\nSo any other question?\nWe are inviting that you come, and let us discuss. This is a very great science, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and it is the, I mean to say, the necessity for the human being. Why? When there is opportunity... This temple is here. We are opening different centers. Why? Just to give opportunity to the people to understand this science of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is not a bluff. We have got authority behind this movement. Whole Vedic literature, Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Bhagavad-gītā, we are supported. It is nothing.\nThe same thing. Just like Arjuna said, or Kṛṣṇa said that yogaḥ proktaḥ purātanaḥ. Purātana, it is very old. But the time is so cruel that sometimes it is... Just like by time sometimes a clear sky is overclouded, covered with cloud. But that does not stay.\nSimilarly, this cloud of ignorance at the present moment, it will not stay. As soon as people are anxious to get this knowledge, ignorance will go away. Jñāna-dīpita. Jñāna-dīpika. So that jñāna-dīpika, that is also explained in the Bhagavad-gītā,\nteṣām evānukampārtham\naham ajñāna-jaṁ tamaḥ\nnāśayāmy ātma-bhāvastho\njñāna-dīpena bhāsvatā\n[Bg. 10.11]\n[Out of compassion for them, I, dwelling in their hearts, destroy with the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance.]\nYes.",
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"content": "\n [asks indistinct question about Bg. 6.47]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]",
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"content": "\n Perfection? Yes, that is the highest perfection of yoga. \nHuh?",
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"content": "\n [asks indistinct question about Bg. 6.46]",
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"content": "\n\ntapasvibhyo 'dhiko yogī\njñānibhyo 'pi mato 'dhikaḥ\nkarmibhyaś cādhiko yogī\ntasmād yogī bhavārjuna\n[Bg. 6.46]\n[A yogī is greater than the ascetic, greater than the empiricist and greater than the fruitive worker. Therefore, O Arjuna, in all circumstances, be a yogī.]\nThis yogī means bhakti-yogī. Bhakti-yogī.",
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"content": "\n Yoginām api sarveṣām...",
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"content": "\n Then yoginām api sarveṣām. Here He recommends that you become a yogī. And who is the perfect yogī, topmost yogī? That is explained in the next verse:\nyoginām api sarveṣāṁ\nmad-gatenāntar-ātmanā\nśraddhāvān bhajate yo māṁ\nsa me yuktatamo mataḥ\n[Bg. 6.47]\n[And of all yogīs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]\nHe is the highest yogī. This is yoga. Who is always constantly thinking of Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, he is the first-class yogī.",
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"content": "\n This is the conclusion of the whole of Gītā.",
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"content": "\n It is the conclusion of whole Bhagavad-gītā. Yes. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. It is very simple thing.\n[Always think of Me and become My devotee. Worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend.]",
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"content": "\n But it is [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Everywhere the same thing is. [laughter] Everywhere the same thing. But it is concluded that sarva-guhyatamam: \"I am speaking to you,\" in the Eighteenth Chapter. Just open at Eighteenth Chapter. Sarva guhyatamaṁ bhūyaḥ śṛṇu me paramaṁ vacaḥ [Bg. 18.64]. \n[Because you are My very dear friend, I am speaking to you the most confidential part of knowledge. Hear this from Me, for it is for your benefit.]\n\"Most confidential I am speaking to you. The most confidential and topmost of knowledge.\" Why? Iṣṭo 'si me: \"Because you are My...\" The same thing. Iṣṭo 'si. \"I want your welfare.\" Iṣṭo 'si me dṛḍham iti: \"Because you are My devotee, so I want that you be benefited.\" That is Kṛṣṇa's... As soon as you become devotee, bhakto 'si priyo 'si me [Bg. 4.3].\n[That very ancient science of the relationship with the Supreme is today told by Me to you because you are My devotee as well as My friend; therefore you can understand the transcendental mystery of this science.]\nJust like here also, if you have got a very intimate friend, he wants how you can be happy. So dṛḍham iti, iṣṭo 'si me dṛḍham iti tato vakṣyāmi: \"I am not speaking to the rascals. I am speaking to you, because you are My most confidential friend.\" What is that?\nman-manā bhava mad-bhakto\nmad-yājī māṁ namaskuru\nmām evaiṣyasi satyaṁ te\npratijāne priyo 'si me\n[Bg. 18.65]\n[Always think of Me and become My devotee. Worship Me and offer your homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this because you are My very dear friend.]\n\"You are My dear friend.\" This is... Sarva-dharmān parityajya [Bg. 18.66].\n[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]\n\"Whatever I've spoken, they are all nonsense. There is sense, but the truth which I am speaking to you just now, 'You just become My devotee, just think of Me, just offer your obeisance unto Me, just work for Me,' this is the most confidential.\"\nBut those who are not able to understand, they are not to be spoken. They are to be instructed that \"You become a yogī, you practice your breathing, you sit like this, you sit like that.\" Because he's unable to understand. Therefore He says, idaṁ te na atapaskāya [Bg. 18.67].\n[This confidential knowledge may not be explained to those who are not austere, or devoted, or engaged in devotional service, nor to one who is envious of Me.]\nOne who has not undergone severe austerities, don't speak this final knowledge. He'll not understand. He'll misunderstand. Just like scholars, like Radhakrishnan, misunderstands because he has no tapasya. It requires tapasya to understand this philosophy. Therefore Bhāgavata says, tapo divyaṁ putrakā yena śuddhyet sattvam [SB 5.5.1]:\n[Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one's heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever.]\n\"My dear boys, just accept austerity voluntarily. Restrain.\"\nSo these boys, they are undergoing tapasya. Don't you think that—in this country, they are giving up meat-eating, giving up all kinds of intoxicants including coffee and tea, they are giving up illicit sex life—don't you think this is not tapasya? Great tapasya, at least for this country. So idaṁ te nātapaskāya. Without undergoing austerity, this science is difficult to understand. Therefore it is warned, idaṁ te nātapaskāya.\nNow people ask us, \"Swāmījī, why you make condition?\" The condition..., if I don't make condition, he'll not be able to understand it. But I don't make condition in the beginning. I invite everyone to come and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then you automatically accept all condition. This is so nice. Because he becomes purified. When he's a little bit purified, he immediately accepts all conditions.\nSo those who are not tapasvīs, or voluntarily accepting some, I mean to say, inconvenience... Suppose I am habituated to doing something, liquor or something. If I am stopped, there is inconvenience. But if somebody accepts voluntarily, \"Yes, for Kṛṣṇa's sake I shall accept it,\" that is tapasya. \nJust like Arjuna, he was very much painful to kill his kinsmen, but for Kṛṣṇa's sake he agreed. That is tapasya. It was not very happy for him to kill his grandfather and nephews, but for Kṛṣṇa he accepted. That is tapasya.\nSo people cannot understand, \"Oh, he was a fighter. How he was a tapasvī?\" But that is... Anything which you do not like, but for Kṛṣṇa's sake if you accept, that is tapasya. Because your the central point is, you love Kṛṣṇa; therefore you have sacrificed.\nThe point is that for Kṛṣṇa's sake, you are voluntarily accepting this inconvenience. That is tapasya. And as soon as you become tapasvī, your whole existentional condition becomes purified. Tapo divyaṁ yena śuddhyet sattvaṁ yasmād brahma-saukhyaṁ tv anantam [SB 5.5.1].\n[Lord Ṛṣabhadeva told His sons: My dear boys, of all the living entities who have accepted material bodies in this world, one who has been awarded this human form should not work hard day and night simply for sense gratification, which is available even for dogs and hogs that eat stool. One should engage in penance and austerity to attain the divine position of devotional service. By such activity, one's heart is purified, and when one attains this position, he attains eternal, blissful life, which is transcendental to material happiness and which continues forever.]\nSo there is a link between one Vedic literature to another. There is no contradiction. But different things are there for different classes of men. But this is for the highest class. Bhakto 'si priyo 'si [Bg. 4.3]. That is the highest position.\n[That very ancient science of the relationship with the Supreme is today told by Me to you because you are My devotee as well as My friend; therefore you can understand the transcendental mystery of this science.]\nYes?",
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"content": "\n What is the value of accepting this sacrifice for the human being?",
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"content": "\n For better benefit.",
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"content": "\n But now can it be accepted as a kind of masochism?",
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"content": "\n What he's speaking? Masochism? What is this masochism?",
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"content": "\n Self-inflicted pain. \"I want to hurt myself.\"",
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"content": "\n No. It is not like that. Just like if you are diseased, doctor says that \"You don't eat this.\" So that is not self-inflicted. The idea is that just to become cured from your disease you accept the instruction of the physician. So unnecessarily, that is also condemned. If you simply fast unnecessarily, that is condemned. No. For a better purpose, paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate [Bg. 2.59].\n[The embodied soul may be restricted from sense enjoyment, though the taste for sense objects remains. But, ceasing such engagements by experiencing a higher taste, he is fixed in consciousness.]\nYes. You can take some..., accept some painstaking—for better purpose. If there is no purpose, what is the use of painstaking? Śrama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8].\n[The occupational activities a man performs according to his own position are only so much useless labor if they do not provoke attraction for the message of the Personality of Godhead.]\nThat is simply labor of love. That's all. So here everything is recommended for understanding Kṛṣṇa. That is not very difficult. By Kṛṣṇa's grace it is not at all difficult, but it appears to be difficult for a person who is accustomed to do such things. Otherwise it is not difficult. Yes.",
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"content": "\n But you're suggesting, I think, forgoing not just that which is the disease[?], but also that which one wants. I mean that somehow one should know that if one has love for something... And yet to come to that, give it up [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Yes. If you love something and for that love's sake, if you give up something, that is also taken in account, that you're doing the same thing on account of love. The whole philosophy is for a better position you can accept some voluntary inconvenience. For better thing.",
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"content": "\n We are absorbed in performing bhakti-yoga, devotional service. Now you stated in the lecture that the purport of bhakti-yoga is real activity of the spirit soul, whereas in jñāna-yoga is of the mind, and karma-yoga is the activities of the body. Now, in our service of bhakti-yoga, how... I don't exactly understand. If we actually are the spirit soul, because [indistinct] performing action.",
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"content": "\n Just give me some practical example. What you are doing?",
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"content": "\n Preparing prasādam.",
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"content": "\n So it is not bhakti-yoga? So why don't you understand? Your prasādam you are not cooking for yourself. You are cooking for Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n Yeah, well, what I'm getting at is we're performing actions with our body.",
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"content": "\n But first of all try to understand this, this cooking... If you are cooking for Kṛṣṇa, that is bhakti-yoga, and if you are cooking for yourself, for your sense gratification, that is karma. The same process. Why don't you take the example of Arjuna?\nFor himself, he was considering, \"Whether I shall fight or not.\" But as soon as he understood Bhagavad-gītā, he decided, \"Oh, Kṛṣṇa wants me to fight.\" That is bhakti-yoga. So you can perform bhakti-yoga by fighting, by cooking, by going to the office, everything, if that purpose is for Kṛṣṇa. That is bhakti-yoga. Is it clear?",
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"content": "\n And karma-yoga, then?",
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"content": "\n Karma means sense gratification and bhakti-yoga means Kṛṣṇa's satisfaction.",
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"content": "\n Well, karma-yoga...",
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"content": "\n Karma-yoga means just to dovetail your karma with yoga principles to arrive to the bhakti-yoga.",
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"content": "\nTo eventually arrive.",
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"content": "\n Yes. That is karma-yoga. That is not bhakti-yoga. But the aim is to arrive at the bhakti-yoga. Is it clear? That's all. Just try to understand in this way. It is very good.",
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"content": "\n Is it the same thing with haṭha-yoga?",
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"content": "\n No, haṭha-yoga is not bhakti-yoga.",
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"content": "\n No, but [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Haṭha-yoga is a process for making the mind under control if it is properly performed. But generally it is in the name \"haṭha-yoga.\" I have several times... In the Bhagavad-gītā it is stated, haṭha-yoga, how it is to be performed, that you have to perform in a sacred place, alone in a secluded place, sitting like this, seeing like this, eating like this. Who is following those regulations? Nobody is following. So they are..., smply it is going on under the name of yoga, but actually, nobody is following the principles. That is difficult. That is not possible in this age.\nNow suppose if you have to perform haṭha-yoga in a secluded place, in a sanctified place and alone. Who is fulfilling these three conditions? Ekākī yata-cittātmā [Bg. 6.10]. \n[A transcendentalist should always try to concentrate his mind on the Supreme Self; he should live alone in a secluded place and should always carefully control his mind. He should be free from desires and feelings of possessiveness.]\nEkākī. Ekākī means alone. Śucau deśe. Śucau deśe means very sanctified place. Samaṁ grīvam. This body and the, I mean to say, neck, and the śiraḥ, śiraḥ means this head—they should be in a straight line. And you cannot close your eyes fully. You have to half-close and see the top of your nose. In this way, you sit down always, never go to sleep.\nI have seen in my childhood yogī in Calcutta, Kālīghāṭa. He was twenty-four hours sitting. When he was feeling uncomfortable, he had a wooden cot, like that. But he was never sleeping. That is yoga practice. Who is going to do that? It is very difficult.\nTherefore Arjuna said, \"Kṛṣṇa, You are recommending this yoga practice, but it is impossible for me to do.\" Five thousand years ago, a person like Arjuna declined, \"Oh, it is not possible for me.\" And so many rascals, they are trying that yoga system. That is not possible. Yes.",
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"content": "\n To know whether my karma or my life is for satisfying the senses, how it is going to help for Kṛṣṇa. [indistinct] To connect Kṛṣṇa through devotion. Then you can know that what I am doing.",
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"content": "\n Yes, first of all you have to connect yourself with Kṛṣṇa, then you act according to the direction of Kṛṣṇa.",
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"content": "\n And if I surrender to the devotion?",
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"content": "\n Certainly. Yes.",
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"content": "\n Not that you can expect immediately, because that is very difficult, like Hiraṇyakaśipu.",
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"content": "\n That is also under the Kṛṣṇa's direction, because when they were condemned to go to the material world, they pray that \"How we shall be delivered?\" Then Kṛṣṇa's giving..., Kṛṣṇa gave him direction that \"If you treat Me as your enemy, then three...\" Yes, quickly. \"And if you treat Me as friend, then you'll take long time.\" They preferred, \"Yes, we shall treat You like enemy, because our aim is to come quickly.\" [laughter]",
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"content": "\n But to understand about our relationship with...",
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"content": "\n So that means he is following Kṛṣṇa's direction. That's all. He doesn't mind that \"I am going to be enemy of Kṛṣṇa.\" The principle is that he's following. If Kṛṣṇa says that \"You become My enemy,\" I can become His enemy. That is bhakti-yoga. [laughter]\nYes. I want to satisfy Kṛṣṇa. Just like a master is asking servant that \"You knock me here.\" So he's knocking like this. So that is service. The others may see, \"Oh, he's knocking and he's thinking, 'I am serving'? What is this? He's knocking.\" But master wants that \"You knock me.\" That is service. Service means that you obey the order of the master. It doesn't matter what it is.\nThere is very nice example in Lord Caitanya's life, that He had His personal servitor, Govinda. So after Lord Caitanya would take prasādam, then Govinda would take. So one day, Lord Caitanya, after taking prasādam, He laid down Himself on the threshold. What is called? Threshold? Door?",
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"content": "\nDoorway.",
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"content": "\nDoorway. So Govinda crossed Him. Govinda used to massage His legs after, when He was taking rest. So Govinda crossed Lord Caitanya and massaged His legs. Then Lord Caitanya was sleeping, and, say, after half an hour, when He got, He saw, \"Govinda, you have not taken your prasādam as yet?\" \"No, sir.\" \"Why?\" \"I cannot cross You. You are lying down here.\" \"Then how you came?\" \"I came across.\" \"How you first of all came across, why not again crossing?\" \"But that I came to serve You. And now I cannot cross You to take my prasādam. That is not my duty. That is for myself. And it is for You.\"\nSo for Kṛṣṇa's pleasure you can become His enemy, you can become His friend, you can become anything. That is bhakti-yoga. Because your aim is how to please Kṛṣṇa. And as soon as the point comes to please your senses, then you come to material world, immediately.\nkṛṣṇa bhuliya jīva bhoga vañcha kare\npāśate māyā tāre jāpaṭiyā dhare\n[Prema-vivarta]\n[When an individual soul forgets his eternal relationship with God and tries to lord it over the material nature or resources, that condition, that forgetful condition, is called māyā, or illusion.]\nAs soon as we forget Kṛṣṇa and we want to do things for our sense gratification, that is māyā. And as soon as we give up this process of sense gratification and do everything for Kṛṣṇa, that is liberation.",
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"content": "\n I want to know whether the devotion of Hanumān was bhakti-yoga.",
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"content": "\n Yes, certainly.",
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"content": "\n Because he also followed[?] catur-bhuja Nārāyaṇa and [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n That doesn't matter, but his activities were bhakti-yoga. He set fire to the house and capital of Rāvaṇa. That is bhakti-yoga. People will say, \"How it is by setting fire in others' house bhakti-yoga?\" But practically see. What Hanumān's business was? Just to punish Rāvaṇa, that's all. That is bhakti-yoga. And he was considered to be the greatest devotee of Lord Rāmacandra. He never studied Vedānta-sūtra, because he was animal, so he had no opportunity, but still, he became the greatest devotee, rāma-bhakta.\nWhy? By setting fire to the Rāvaṇa's house. That's all. These are practical example. By setting fire to the house of Rāvaṇa, he became the great devotee of Rāma. And similar, same case is Arjuna. Arjuna also fought. He killed his kinsmen and he became a great bhakta. Somebody in Bengal, some gentleman, criticized that \"Lord Caitanya introducing this bhakti-yoga has,\" what is called, \"[indistinct] the population of Bengal.\" And you do not know what is bhakti-yoga.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct] I know a Doctor who published the life called Life of Śrī Caitanya. That book?",
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"content": "\n I do not know this Doctor who [indistinct] says.",
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"content": "\n [indistinct]",
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"content": "\n So we are not concerned with any scholarly book. We are concerned whether it is written by a devotee. Yes. We don't care for any scholarly writing, because they will commit mistake. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāḥ [SB 5.18.12].\n[All the demigods and their exalted qualities, such as religion, knowledge and renunciation, become manifest in the body of one who has developed unalloyed devotion for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vāsudeva. On the other hand, a person devoid of devotional service and engaged in material activities has no good qualities. Even if he is adept at the practice of mystic yoga or the honest endeavor of maintaining his family and relatives, he must be driven by his own mental speculations and must engage in the service of the Lord's external energy. How can there be any good qualities in such a man?]\nOne who is not devotee, he cannot have any good qualification. Reject it immediately.",
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"content": "\n So what is [indistinct]?",
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"content": "\n Yes. I told that \"You do not know bhakti-yoga. The two greatest fights in India, Rāmāyaṇa fight and Mahābhārata fight, was conducted by Vaiṣṇavas, Arjuna and Hanumān. Therefore \"You do not know what is bhakti-yoga,\" I told him. The bhakta, for Kṛṣṇa's sake, he can do anything. But by nature, he's perfect; he does not commit any violence. Just like see Arjuna's character. He was so much harassed by the opposite party, his wife was insulted, his kingdom was, I mean to say, by unlawful means taken away, he was sent to forest for thirteen years.\nAfter so many troubles, he never tried to retaliate. He said, \"All right, Kṛṣṇa, I don't want my kingdom. I cannot fight with my kinsmen.\" This is Vaiṣṇava nature. But as soon as he understood that \"This fight is liked by Kṛṣṇa. Oh, then I'll continue, stay. I must fight.\" It is not his cowardice. He was quite competent to fight, but out of his Vaiṣṇava compassion he was avoiding it in the beginning. But when he understood that \"My master, Kṛṣṇa, He wants it,\" he gave up his decision.\nSo Vaiṣṇava... That is Vaiṣṇavism. Devotee means he can act anything and everything for the Lord. That is bhakti-yoga. But under the direction. Not whimsically. Yes. Either Arjuna or Hanumān, he did not set fire to the Rāvaṇa's house whimsically. Under the direction of Rāma. Arjuna also fought under the direction of Kṛṣṇa. Similarly, we have to take the direction of Kṛṣṇa or His representative. Then it will be nice.",
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"content": "\n And in Mahābhārata we see Hanumān is also [indistinct].",
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"content": "\n Yes. He's given so much respect.",
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"content": "\nAnd Kṛṣṇa Himself was the charioteer.",
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"content": "\n Just see how much honor was given to Hanumān. Why? Because he's a devotee. Like, a personality like Arjuna, he's keeping on his head the flag marked with Hanumān, that \"Hanumān, you are great devotee and fighter. Please help me.\" This is...\nAll right. Any other question? Dr. Murti, you have no question?",
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"content": "\n That's all right. Very good. [Hindi with Indian man] Hare Kṛṣṇa. Then chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. [end]",
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