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2. Regarding Yang Jia |
Popular opinion has already painted Yang Jia as some sort of model citizen, his dad has said that he was “good in school”, the hostel he was staying at said he paid his rent on time, and regardless of if these are true or not, is that alone enough to make someone a model citizen? I see reports saying he kept to himself and didn't talk much, but then went picking fights with the neighbors over the most trivial of things, getting violent with them, a mad dog who needed no provocation, but when provoked would bite and not be able to stop, overall looking a lot like Ma Jiajue who killed his classmates over a poker match! People like this definitely do exist in society, and normal people always keep a safe distance, so to avoid tragic loss of life. |
三、关于警察 |
这些年贪官污吏也杀了不少，抓得更多，但新的还在出现。原因很复杂，从人们如潮的怒骂背后，我更多听到的不是道德的谴责和法制的呼唤，而是心态“不平衡” 三个字。试想，这样的人一旦为官，怎能不去“找平衡”？价值观不正，这是贪官不断的一个重要原因。警察作为官府的人，也是从老百姓中来的人，既不象宣传得那么好，也不象大家说的那么坏。为什么一出事就无根据地认定是警察坏了呢？在杨佳被警察拦下的事情上，我就听说他是在人行道上骑着一辆无牌自行车才被拦住的。全世界的警察都在街上盘查可疑人，而每个害怕在街上遭遇飞车抢劫的上海人也都会赞同这样的盘查。当然我也没根据说警察的态度很好，但说警察不对的目前也没看到什么根据，有的都是推断。 |
3. Regarding the police |
Over the past few years, more than a few corrupt officials have been killed, and even more have been arrested, but new ones continue to appear. The reasons for this are complicated, but behind all the people cursing angrily like the tide, what I hear most are not moral condemnations or cries for the legal system, but signs of unbalanced mentality. If you think about it, when people like this become officials, why is it that they don't go find balance? Unhealthy values, this is one of the key reasons for unending official corruption. Police, as authority officials, are also people who come from the public, neither as good as gets propagandized, nor as bad as everyone says. Why is that that when something goes wrong police are groundlessly assumed to be bad? As for the incident of Yang Jia being stopped by police, I even heard that he was only stopped for riding an unlicensed bicycle in a pedestrian lane. Police around the world stop and check suspicious people on the streets, and every Shanghai resident afraid of being jacked in a rob-and-run will agree with these inspections. Of course, I don't have any basis to say that police have good attitudes, but then I haven't seen any basis at present to go and say that police are bad, and anyone who does is just speculating. |
四、关于“生殖器门” |
这个消息可靠吗？我搜了一下，最早是一个匿名者2号晚上发在Myspace的一个跟贴上的，故事很煽情，但至今没有任何可靠一点的渠道能证实。传的人多了，却几乎变成了确凿事实，据说连凤凰卫视都信了。我有个记者朋友通过关系看到了杨佳自己写的申述状，连杨佳自己都从未说过关于腰部以下的任何事！他告诉我此事肯定是假的，但是发新闻效果不讨人喜欢所以不吭气。从此我鄙视他。 |
“生殖器门”比周老虎的照片容易分辨，打坏了要变好恐不那么容易，我不信警察隐瞒得掉。要是真的，杨佳杀的就不会是分局，而是派出所，因为拦他的警察就是派出所的，那个地方每天都有老百姓随便进去办户口，不想某些想象力过高的人说的比分局更难冲进去，这是每个中国人都知道的常识。我看他要杀的是在处理中不给他钱的人，因为有可靠消息证明他在山西警察那里就搞到了数万元钱，搞钱的方法和动迁时做“钉子户”差不多。 |
呜呼,可悲的“生殖器门”！世上本无所谓真相，说的人多了，也就成了真相。 |
舆论能杀人！它既把秦桧钉上了历史的耻辱柱，弘扬了千古正气，也把大明的长城袁崇焕送上了断头台，使大好河山沦于鞑虏之手。不管许多人喜欢不喜欢，我要说的是： |
好听的故事不等于事实，这一次，舆论错了！ |
4. Regarding “GenitalGate” |
Is this information reliable? I did a search, and the earliest I was able to find was an anonymous MySpace user who posted it on the evening of the 2nd. The story is very stirring, but to this day there hasn't been anything more substantial to confirm this. The number of people who have spread it around is quite high, and that alone has nearly made it irrefutable fact, apparently even Phoenix TV even believed it. I have one journalist friend who through his connections was able to see Yang Jia's handwritten statement, and even Yang Jia himself has never said anything at all regarding the area below his waist! He told me that GenitalGate was a lie, but to put that in the news wouldn't please viewers, and that's why he kept silent. Because of this, I despise him. |
“GenitalGate” is even easier to refute than the Zhou Tiger photos, because for that to be beaten bad and then recover, I'm afraid, is not that easy, so I don't believe that the police would have been able to cover that up. If it is true, Yang Jia wouldn't have killed people at a central police office, but at a local police station, because the police who stopped him were from a police station, and people go in and out of there every day to process hukous, which, unlike those people with too much imagination are saying, is not harder to rush into than a central police office building. This is common sense of which every Chinese person is aware. I can see that the people he wanted to kill were those who wouldn't give him money while he was being processed, because there is reliable information which proves that while he was being held by police there in Shanxi, he got them for tens of thousands of RMB, using pretty much the same tactics at the same time as the “Nailhouse”. |
Alas, for this unfortunate “GenitalGate”! There is no so-called truth on this earth, only people who talk a lot, of stuff that becomes truth on its own. |
Public opinion gets people killed! It got Qin Hui fixed in the most humiliating pose in history, bringing about ages of righteousness, put Yuan Chonghuan of the Great Wall up on the head-chop block, even led to our rivers and valleys falling at the hands of the foreigners. No matter how many people like or dislike this, what I want to say is: |
Just because a story sounds good doesn't mean it's true, and this time, public opinion is wrong! |
26 comments |
• Kai |
And the plot thickens… |
This is one of those situations where one doesn’t know who to believe as there is sufficient precedent to believe either side: The government cover-up and the public rumor mill. |
I’m curious what some of GVO’s resident anti-West China-defenders think of this domestic situation. Are they inclined to be on the side of the authorities or the public? Especially when the facts of the matter are so difficult to be sure of due to issues of credibility. |
• ali baba |
选录天涯社区 天涯杂谈 网友呼吁给杨佳寡母捐款的帖子，我谨照录如下： |
On http://www.tianya.cn,bbs named 天涯杂谈 ,there are many netizens support Yang Jia,calling for donation for Yang Jia mother.Below are a few of them: |
“号召给英雄杨佳的母亲捐款吧！” |
Lets give some money to hero Yang Jia’s mother ! |
“杨佳杀了警察客观上是为我们每一个人杀的！他的愤怒，他的恶其实是我们每一个人身上都有的！” |
The fact is,Yang Jia did kill some cops,but he KILLED for US,everyone of us! His rage,fury,and indignation actually are all very common to us! |
“计划生育让每个家庭里都只有独苗！他需要多大的勇气！他需要被逼到多惨的境地才做出这么极端的事情！” |
Under birth planning and control,every family can only have one child! A solitude seedling ! What enormous courage he needed to command !What absolute hopeless situation he was forced into,in order for him to execute such an extreme deeds ! |
“在现在这么腐败的社会，每个人都有可能是杨佳，我们不爆发也许是还未被逼到绝路！” |
In this terriblely corrupted society,every person can possiblely become a Yang Jia, we have not exploded yet,may be it is because we have not being forced into the road of no return ! |
“希望杨佳案件能让政府重新尊重老百姓！小人物其实是可以改变历史的。” |
Lets hope this Yang Jia case would let the government start fresh to show some respect for ordinay folks ! Insignificant folks can infact change history. |
“杨佳走好，你代替了我们去为恶，就像孙志刚代替我们去死一样。” |
Yang Jia you have a good journey to heaven, you did the wicked thing for us,just like Soon Tse-gan who die for all of us. |
“当年贺龙、彭德怀两把菜刀杀恶吏被称英雄，是闹革命。小民用牺牲来唤醒民众，抗议不公正，可敬。不是每个人都有这勇气的。向杨佳致敬！” |
Years ago He Long and Pang De-why (note: this 2 revolutionaries were Mao’s comrades) were praised as heros,and was revolution when they killed bad officials using 2 chopping knifes .Ordinary folk sacrifice oneself in order to wake up others,to protest against injustice, is to be respected. Not everyone has this kind of courage.Lets salute to Yang Jia! |
Kungfu Panda says: There are thousands and thousands of netizens showing support towards Yang Jia,even on http://www.people.com.cn ,the official CCP web site,its bbs 强国论坛 ,translate strong nation forum. |
• ali baba |
作者：遥远的净土 回复日期：2008-7-21 3:44:37 |
刀客之歌（原《游击队之歌》改编） |
This post is one that I copy n paste from http://www.kdnet.com.cn |
游击队之歌 ,The Song of the guerrilla, is a very famous mainland chinese song in the 60s,it was a theme song in one of those revolutionary movie,millions of older mainland Chinese grew up with this song during their childhood. |
The following is an adaptation of The Song of the guerrilla.I cannot imagine someone with musical talent might turn this new adaptation into a MTV and put it on youtube. It might become an overnight heat. |
我们都是快刀手 |
Our knifes are faster than lightning |
每一个刀光点燃一个希望 |
Every shining blade sparks one more desire |
我们都是热血儿呀 |
Our blood is hot and boiling |
哪怕那楼高防卫森 |
Spit at the high security n tall building |
在这无理的社会里 |
In this ruthless lawless society |
无门申诉只好自己动手 |
Take law into our hand because nowhere to plead |
在这辽阔的大地上 |
On this vast n broad motherland |
有我们无数的杨刀客 |
Yang knifemen are millions n millions indeed |
虽有吃虽有穿 |
We all have food we all have clothes |
尊严怎能任践踏呀 |
But no one is to step on our dignity |
没有枪没有炮 |
No gun or no cannon |
家家有菜刀 |
Choppin knife can still be user to chop meat |
和谐社会还遥远呀 |
Harmonious society too far away |
还需要无数悲歌来唤醒 |
Millions of us will sing millions songs of tragdies |
自古燕赵多壮士呀 |
Heroic warriorrs abundant in these countries |
血染淞江唤不归 |
Lets blood stain Sung River is our destiny |
• Thanks, ali baba. Seems that song has already been harmonized.. |
• ali baba |
To JK, |
Have you ever listen to the original Song of the guerrilla?It was quite a song,with marching tempo,and male only choir.I think it showed a lot of soviet influence.It does make the blood boil a bit,especially with the new lyric. |
You mention it’s being harmonized,that is not all.The national anthem,Le International,plus heaps of others. |
That really makes one wonder,a nation that ban its own national anthem on internet forum,wouldn’t it score a first in the guinness book of record ? |
But then,nothing from mainland China surprise me any more. |
• ali baba |
奥运和杀警案 挑动京沪瑜亮情节 |
Olympic and police-being-slayed,stir up uneasy feelings between Beijing and Shanghai |
2008-07-14 中国时报 徐尚礼／上海报导 |
China Times Su Shang Le reports from Shanghai |
北京举行奥运及北京人杨佳在上海杀警案再次挑起京沪瑜亮情节。昨两地网民相互叫骂到了口不择言地步。 |
The fact that Beijing stage olympic,and Yang Jia,being Beijing local,stabbed a numbers of Shanghai policemen to death,has again stired up uneasy feelings between Beijing and Shanghai.The swearing and cursing between netizens from these two rivaling cities has gone a bit out of hand. |
上海闸北分局本月一日遭来自北京的杨佳闯入并杀死六名警察后，许多北京人对上海警方竟然称中国首都百姓为「外地人」很不爽。近日，北京报纸还反驳上海警方指称杨佳「个性孤癖」，说杨佳「乘巴士会主动让座」。 |
On 1-July,Yang Jia,a Beijing local,went into Shanghai Jah-bei police building and stabbed six policemen to death; Shanghai police not only called Yang Jia a “outsider”,also claimed that Yang is a “queer kind of guy”.Beijing newspaper retorte that Yang “would offer his seat to others in a bus”,and many Beijing citizens are not happy that Shanghai police calling national capital’s citizen an “outsider” |
昨天大陆一知名网路论坛有一被认为是来自上海网民，在网上质疑北京空气污浊不适合办奥运，立即引发激烈论战。 |
Yesterday,on one mainland famous internet forum,a supposed to be from Shanghai netizen,made the accusation that Beijing’s polluted air is not suitable for olympic events.It immediately sparks a fierce volley of verbal exchange. |
一北京网民说，「北京的奥运会跟你们有关系吗？不就是没在你家办吗？一群SB就欠猛人捅，多捅你们几个就好了，黄埔江的水都给你们喝成脑残了」。 |
One Beijing netizen said:”What has Beijing Olympic got to do with you guys ? Just because it is not being staged in your home town ? A bunch of SB,you need to be stabbed by real macho men,should have stabbed a few more,the water from Huang Pu Jiang has turned you lots into brain-deaths.” |
另一「最近我们北京男人真是威啊」帖子说「出了个杨大侠，单刀赴会杀了六个上海警察。我们北京男人狠狠出了口恶气。这几年被上海小男人姚明、刘翔等压得喘不过气来了，建议大赦杨大侠，选他为北京政协委员」。 |
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