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So I haven’t directly experienced what you’re talking about, but I don’t doubt that sort of thing happens… Add that to my list of barriers to entry! |
19. gilhags says: |
So, I guess 1.3 million “public employees” is accurate. |
Not bad, I guess? Out of 19,378,102 citizens (2010 Census), 1,296,000 work for the “state”. |
That’s a 1:15 ratio |
Average cost per- $60,000 (modest estimate) |
X 1,296,000 |
Any thoughts? |
20. adirondackguy says: |
@Gilhags: You missed by a mile. |
Approximately 200,000 work for the state in total, 137,000 of which are employees of the executive branch. The average cost per executive branch worker is around $53K, counting everything (pension, health care, etc). As I have already informed you in the past at great length. |
Your estimate is completely ridiculous, because the entire state budget is $134 billion, within which the payroll comes out to a total of $15 billion (the executive workforce, which most people consider “state workers” is only 137,000 workers and costs around $5 billion of that, or less than 4% of the total budget)... |
I don’t think you should do any more math. Your attempt at estimating the state workforce was so mind-bogglingly bad you nearly ruptured the space-time continuum. Humanity may not survive another attempt. |
I’m disappointed… I thought you were making progress. |
21. maverick100 says: |
@ Gilhags: |
Yep I’ve got a thought. You and others routinely like to blast the state for being at the top of the heap for state and local employees per capita. |
Per the latest figures from the Census bureau, you’re wrong. |
For state and local employees combined, the rankings are as follows: |
Wyoming ranks first with 963 state and local employees per 10000 residents. |
#2: Alaska: 859 per 10000 |
#3: Delaware: 776 per 10000 |
#4 North Dakota: 764 per 10000 |
#5: New Mexico: 740 per 10000 |
#6: Kansas: 715 per 10000 |
#7: Nebraska: 712 per 10000 |
#8: Iowa: 687 per 10000 |
#9 Vermont: 669 per 10000 |
and finally we hit #10 – New York: 663 per 10000 |
The average for all states is 585 per 10000. So while you like to harp about the total number, in terms of what the average is per 10000 residents, even though we may rank 10th, we aren’t far off. |
State employees per capita tells another story. New York ranks 39th with 179 per 10000. Delaware leads the pack with 586 per 10000, and the average is 244 per 10000. |
Local employees completes the picture. New Hampshire ranks 1st with 546 per 10000, and New York ranks second with 483 per 10000. The average is 338 per 10000. |
Interpret the results as you will. |
22. Andrew says: |
adirondackguy in his numbers he includes ALL public workers, local and state and teachers. |
That 1.3MM number is correct! |
23. maverick100 says: |
Second thought: |
Your average cost per employee is misleading. New York City leads the pack for local employees at over $100k per year. The suburbs (Long Island and Downstate counties) of NYC aren’t far off. You and I have already covered upstate previously however, where the average cost per employee is closer to $40k. City and co... |
What I really wonder is why for all of your complaining aren’t you doing any analysis yourself? The tools are there. All you need is a copy of Microsoft office and access to, where you can simply export the data as a spreadsheet and analyze it for yourself. You love to talk about how you are impartial and just want... |
I’m guessing B. |
24. gilhags says: |
Hold on, hold on, hold on, there Adk I agree, that the “state workforce” as identified by you as being those employees under the control of the Governor is around 200,000 but I’m trying (and have been trying ) to arrive at the total number of “public employees”. |
I asked earlier a few times, and did hear back a few times that the 1.3 million figure is approximately correct. This would include ALL PUBLIC EMPLOYEES. Just add up all the active membership of the union represented employees of this state. |
I’m not trying to dump on “state workers” but the conversation keeps getting circled because we’re dealing with two sets of figures. |
I agree with “state workers” anger at the constant bickering by the private sector because the “state workers, actually do represent a small portion of the annual budget when compared to Medicaid, welfare or “public employees” as a whole. BUT |
The “public employees” AS A WHOLE” represent a COLLASSAL amount of money, also Adk Guy. Be honest. The average cost of a “state worker” is approx. $90,000 judging by every resource from the NY Post, NY Times, Huffington Post etc… |
25. maverick100 says: |
He’s trying to make an educated guesstimate at the entire cost of the public workforce across the entire state. This is what always frustrates me about him. He mixes issues in a way to attempt to confuse the casual reader, and when challenged on doing so, his response is generally “What do I care? Why should I sepa... |
Well, I dunno about anyone else, but as far as I’m concerned, the problems in Nassau, Suffolk, and other downstate counties with their costs for their local workforces aren’t my problem. They are the problem of the taxpayers in that particular county. More specifically, the problems of any county or locality other ... |
Gilhags on the other hand loves to use wide reaching generalities while avoiding the nitty gritty. Based on his thought process, if there is a problem downstate, there also must be a problem upstate. If Suffolk averages a cost per employee of over $100k, then Albany county must too. It’s a very flawed way of lookin... |
26. Upstate Harv says: |
Work hard, test well- get promoted. Kiss a$$ or be related to the boss- get promoted. I belive the second case is more prevalent. |
27. rasputin says: |
You can’t use the unionized membership as a direction for public workforce. Not all people represented by a union are members of the union. There are many, many different unions and different parts of different unions. And you are forgetting the very very large segment of public employees who are not represented at... |
The real kicker is trying to find out the metro, municipal, town, village, hamlet, fire distict, school district, BOCES district, garbage district, etc. that are payed for with property taxes. If you want to know where the real cost to the taxpayer in NY is, it is in property and sales taxes that go to all these re... |
28. CarlGottsteinJr. says: |
Leftist inflammatory rhetoric like “WAR on public” is no longer welcome. |
29. adirondackguy says: |
@Maverick: Well, of course you’re right, but I still think it’s necessary to correct Gilhags whenever he (I thought Gilhags was a girl! he’s a HE?) goes off on one of these bizarre calculations of his. |
@Gilhags: Here is the problem. The number you are trying to reach, a total cost of all public employees in the entire state, is completely useless. It has absolutely no purpose. That amount of money is not controlled by ANY ENTITY. |
The state government only controls the amounts I have described to you. The ONLY money in play where the state government is concerned is the money I’ve described to you from the budget. You can find a copy of the budget here: |
Now, with respect to LOCAL spending, the only USEFUL thing you can do is evaluate an individual county, see how much it’s spending and how much it’s taxing, and address that situation directly. Each county is a completely separate entity, with its own budget and its own spending and taxes. You CANNOT take them all ... |
The situation becomes even more impossible to group when you look at the city level. Like counties, each city is its own entity, with its own taxes and its own budget. They’re all completely independent. |
So, you see, Gilhags, what you’re trying to do doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. There IS no single entity controlling spending state-wide. |
There is only the state government and the money it spends, and each city and the money it spends, and each county, and each village and so on ad infinitum. |
Taking them all together tells you NOTHING because they’re all completely independent entities with their own budget, books, and income. |
Understand now? |
30. StateWorker says: |
You are a funny, funny man and oh so fired up. A couple of things, the State Education department mandates curricula in schools, in the event that right wing tools like you are elected to your local school board, and decide to force teachers in your school district, to teach your warped views of both American and W... |
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