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I can say something for sure. As for The Fed, it was created to debase, debauch, and devalue Federal Reserve Notes, which are now worth 1/1600 oz. of Gold. I never swore allegiance or agreed to such a system myself. I never condoned my coinage to be debased by elitists in 1965. And then to find out they have even more devious, subtle and surreptitious ways to debase and devalue the fiat paper once removed completely from gold backing. It's supposed to be our money. We're not supposed to be working for the Government, the Government is supposed to work for us... and where is Jon Corzine? |
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 18:30 | 2680288 honestann |
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No. You would have your own savings hidden somewhere obscure, or burried far out in the desert or forest, and would not let anyone wearing a nice expensive suit anywhere near your savings. You would be smart enough to know there is NO honest way to earn expensive suits and huge marble buildings by holding onto the wealth of others. You would therefore conclude you would be insane to deal with scumbags who are obviously running predatory criminal scams. |
As for "money", that's a totally bogus concept if it means anything other than "pieces of real, physical valuable material" that you haven't traded for something else yet. There is no legitimate "money business". So-called "money" is nothing more than "your property". Period. Why on earth you'd give your life savings to some smooth talking slimeball who is obvious involved in predatory criminal activity is unknown to me or any other rational individual. |
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 22:12 | 2680745 HardAssets |
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How to get it done ? |
End the fraud of fractional reserve banking where banks can 'lend' more than in their vaults. |
Of course this would produce screams of outrage from bankers, those who they pay, and all those who have been conned by them for centuries. "Not enough 'flexibility' in the financial system" - - meaning not enough of an opportunity for them to profit from fraud. |
P.S. - - for those who aren't already familiar with this, the intentionally ignored genius, economist, and historian Murray Rothbard is a terrific source of enlightenment. He wrote about banking, Liberty, and many other subjects very relevant for today. |
Mon, 08/06/2012 - 02:44 | 2681000 honestann |
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How to get it done? Simple. Make sure 100% of your "savings" are real, physical, valuable goods - entirely under your own control. Hold 0% of your "savings" in "paper" of any form (fiat, bonds, stocks, etc). Refuse to exchange the goods you produce for paper. The rest will take care of itself as the predators consume everything the rest of the cooperative population thinks they "own", and both predators and prey find themselves unable to con producers out of the goods they need to survive and prosper. |
You cannot "get it done" by "overthowing them" --- not at this point in history. Their prey will help defend them, and their prey are too many to deal with. |
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 16:04 | 2680045 Joe A |
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It is not going to happen. Lone avengers, perhaps. Or Baader-Meinhof kind of groups. |
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 22:13 | 2680755 brettd |
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Yep. If you're going to have a revolt, you must know who you're revolting against....who's head goes on a pike. |
Everyone has a list, and it's usually three deep. Never gonna happen. |
Mon, 08/06/2012 - 01:57 | 2680958 Joe A |
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What surprises me that in the US people shoot other people in cinemas or in Sikh temples but I never heard of someone shooting up a banker's firm or a financial institution. I mean, if you lost everything due to banker's manipulation I can imagine that you are pissed off. |
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 22:11 | 2680754 Bringin It |
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In the end, it all comes down to food. Every sofa surfer will get up and move when they haven't eaten in a day. |
Mon, 08/06/2012 - 08:17 | 2681218 Help Is Not Coming |
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They might get up and move when they get hungry but they already riot over towels! |
Mon, 08/06/2012 - 02:34 | 2680960 Joe A |
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A lot of sofa surfers are too fat to get up. And when it comes to food, people with fight eachother over crumbs instead of them whom actually control the food supply. |
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 22:01 | 2680739 brettd |
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Sun, 08/05/2012 - 15:51 | 2680016 Overdrawn |
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Was just reading this: |
Government Silently Positions for Martial Law as Financial Collapse Arrives in America |
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 19:49 | 2680451 ISEEIT |
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meanwhile, silly troll children play mindlessly simple troll games at sophisticated communication hubs in a certain to fail attempt at staging an absolute coup over the American and by extension, global system of governance. |
You are almost there buddy. As has been the case forever.....Almost there. |
What a fucking hamster. |
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 14:22 | 2679795 honestann |
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Stop trying to make yourself feel better. Stop trying to pretend these historical events are likely to repeat. Humans don't seem to understand. At this point in history, the predators ARE (and control) every government on earth, every police-force on earth, every military on earth, every court on earth. |
Game over. The producers simply "gave it all away" to the predators. All the large corporations are also now controlled by predators. This is a particularly sick joke, "corporations" supposedly being places where "production happens". And indeed, some production still does happen in some "corporations". However, all large corporations are now run by the executives entirely to benefit the executives. The shareholders hold nothing but empty bags at this point in history. |
The predators have taken control of everything. They are still a tiny minority, probably much less even than the so-called 1% that people talk about. However, somehow they convinced producers the only way the producers can deal with predators is to "reason with them" or "vote in better predators" or some other completely insane notion. It is difficult to understand why producers... some of whom are fairly intelligent... actually imagine that utterly craven drooling beasts can be dealt with by "reason" or "voting" (when the predators pre-arrange that everyone running is a predator). |
I mean, really! What producers and liberty advocates and all sorts of basically honorable people are trying to do is exactly the functional equivalent of trying to hold a rational conversation with a huge, hungry wild lion intent upon consuming him. This is literally what the world has come to --- the notion that utterly unscrupulous predator-beasts can be dealt with in the same way we might deal with a meek, ethical, spectacle-wearing scientist. This is literally what is happening on planet earth at this point in history! That anyone believes they can deal with utterly unconstrained beasts who operate consistently on their current modus-operandi, which is "get away with whatever you can", no holds barred. |
Humans have passed so far beyond the point of infinite psycho-stupido, that mankind is clearly finished. The methods practiced by the predators are not even subtle or obscure much less "hidden" any more, not beyond uttering completely lame nonsense like "we have to rape you at the airports to keep you safe from distasteful people" or equivalent tripe. When the predators violate everyone, what passes as "intellectuals" and "commentators" don't even mention that the predators own rules clearly state that the only way to overturn any part of the constitution (the predators own rules) is to pass an ammendment to the constitution. |
In other words, even the supposed commentators and protectors of the predator rulebook totally ignore the predator rulebook when it contradicts whatever a predator just happens to want to do at the moment. This happens EVERY SINGLE DAY in virtually every large, medium and small information outlet. Even so-called liberty and freedom oriented spokespeople tend to say things like "the law gives the TSA the right to rape everyone at the airports", totally ignoring that is NOT what the predators own laws say at all. They may mention the contradiction now and then, but then adopt the BLATANT LIE that the predator spokesmen adopt, which is "it is the law", "you must be radiated and/or raped at the airport", and so forth. |
Let me make this clear. To begin with, when a bunch of predators write BS down on a piece of paper, and collect together and raise their hands now and then, that has ZERO to do with me. It certainly has ZERO legitimate relationship to me. And, in fact, it cannot have anything real to do with me. At most you might be able to designate their actions as a "generalized threat" that they intend to hire thugs to abuse everyone at airports (or whatever the issue is). However, it has ZERO BASIS whatsoever, both "in reality" AND on the basis of their own bogus, irrelevant "laws". |
And that's the end of it. There is no other legitimate conversation to have, except #1, they don't own me, and #2, even by their own rules/laws/documents, even their claims are violations of their own rules/laws, and in fact are clearly treason and direct violations of the oath they must take to hold their fictional "position". |
That people are willing to even HAVE other conversations (about the details or implementation or otherwise) is simply pure insanity. It is inherently insulting to any honest human being to hold discussions that refer to LAW while discussing so-called laws and law-makers and law-enforcers who blatantly and grossly violate their own laws every day in the most egregious ways. In such a situation, what exactly do people think they are doing when they supposedly "discuss" these topics? When a wild beast is biting its huge teeth down into your throat, what exactly do you think you're doing when you attempt to utter a comment about the angle his teeth are moving in the fraction of a second before you die? How insane do human beings intend to get, exactly? |
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 17:36 | 2680198 gmj |
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But we are all predators. The middle class with its insatiable appetite for big houses and shiny things. The "professional poor" who spend their time finding new ways to get money from the gov't. The only difference between the rich and the rest of us is money. Take some schmoe off the street and make him CEO of JP Morgan, and watch what happens to him. The seed of evil lies within each of us. Do you think the rich are responsible for the devastation of this planet that is happening all around us right now? No, it is driven by the crazed materialism of the US middle class, who believe that they should live like gods, and who have no higher goal in life than to consume as much as possible. |
The greed and aggression of Homo sapiens helped to make us the masters of our world. Now that our world is nearly exhausted, those same qualities are turning us against each other. It will not be justice that has us at each other's throats; it will be competition for the last stainless steel refrigerator. |
Mon, 08/06/2012 - 02:25 | 2680976 AnAnonymous |
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In US citizen societies, the poor's needs are only satisfied because it gives more to the US citizen middle class. |
The US citizen middle class is the king class in US citizenism. Everything is organized to favour the middle class's welfare. |
Mon, 08/06/2012 - 13:30 | 2682096 akak |
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Yes. That is why the US middle class is shrinking, has been shrinking for 40 years, and is actively being destroyed by the policies of the top 0.1% ruling elite. |
Your incessant babbled gibberish, your simplistic and collectivistic inanities, and your virulent anti-American bigotry are always good for a laugh, though. |
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 18:34 | 2680248 honestann |
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No, we are not all predators, and there is a very real difference between "producer" and "predator". |
I do not doubt that a great many human beings are primarily predator and/or parasite, yet have produced a little bit along the way (probably not by choice). |
To "produce" is to take actions that cause things to exist that would not have existed without your actions. The fact is, "actions have consequences". Most actions have destructive consequences, but some actions have productive consequences. To plant seeds, water the field, tend the crops, build fences around them to bar predators and parasites, and then harvest the crops --- is production. To come onto your property and grab nuts, fruits and veggies from the plants you grew is predatory. |
When predators who call themselves "government" steal your food (or money you traded your food for), they are predators and their actions are destructive and predatory. When those predators send a little of the money/food they stole from you to tens of millions of lazy bums to bribe votes out of them, those lazy bums are parasites who consume left-overs the predators allow them to have. |
Your history is blatantly wrong, even as every element contains a grain of reality. The FACT is, the natural processes of planet earth are sufficient to support less than 1% of the human population. It was HUMAN PRODUCTION that allowed the human population of earth to explode, and ONLY human production. Therefore, it was NOT "aggression" and "insatiable appetite for bling bling" that made humans what they are, it was production. |
And now that production is being destroyed, humans shall spiral down the tubes of history. You and the rest of human beings will find out what production meant --- when you no longer have any to support you. |
Our world is NOT exhausted. The earth is a ball of molten hot rock with an average temperature of many hundred if not a couple thousand degrees. There is plenty of geothermal energy to power a modern existence for billions of humans for millions of years, and plenty of material too. If converted into an open-core foam structure, earth could support untold population --- not that I'd want to live there with such an insane hoard of chimps!!!!! |
Or to put it your way, if humans were willing to exterminate human predators, and also willing to spend 30 hours per week being productive, ALL of mankind could live a high quality life indefinitely. However, the insistence of mankind to sanction and support the human predators will assure mankind exterminates himself within the next 100 years. |
Good riddens to the vast majority who support such insanity. |
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 23:30 | 2680859 monad |
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Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, 1957 |
Yeah, baby! |
Tue, 08/07/2012 - 12:45 | 2685071 shuckster |
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The conviction in this speech is strong, but the credibility weak. Industrialism is a tool of destruction and exploitation. Industrialism should not be the end but the means. Ayn Rand could not see past that point. She saw only industrialism, not it's purpose. I take advice only from those who I admire. Rand was a weird and bitter old lady. She may have provided fodder for the exploiters, like Friedman. It is so easy for a job creator to call everyone else a free loader. Little does he know that he is the freeloader - loading up on cheap labor. Creating junk. Destroying the precious resources of the planet for the sake of his own mental masturbation. Job creators have no credibility. As a class, they sold themselves out - they turned in their chips a long time ago. America needed to be industrialized, to move the piece a block closer to the goal on the board - just like Russia needed to be industrialized. That is why the capitalist system was established, that is why the communist system was established - to industrialize the east and western parts of the globe which until that point had remained in the middle ages. For all her insight - Rand could not see the bigger picture and the ultimate truth - that we are all slaves - slaves to the Zionist kabal that has planned our life from cradle to grave, for the satisfaction of their own ferocious apetite. For blood, for souls, for the insatiable hunger for power. They are the bain of our existence - they are the ones for whom you work and toil, and they are the ones that will forever feed off your labor. Rand was a blissfully ignorant propogandist - she was not inside the loop, and wanting to get into it, she chose to lick the feet of the zionist kabal. Of course she died lonely and weird, just like she was born, and never received her 40 pieces of silver. Just like every dumb Christian (or atheist in her case) slave who chooses to serve the kabal, she sold her soul for a cheap price and never received her payment. It's the oldest trick in the Talmud - offer nothing to a gentile in exchange for his everything. Believe her words at your own peril |
PS her love of money is love of the Jew who issues that money - money is evil when the issuer is evil |
Mon, 08/06/2012 - 00:34 | 2680908 LithiumWarsWAKEUP |
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Ahhh,,,,Frankie, it's the 'love' of money... so sayeth. |
Mon, 08/06/2012 - 03:38 | 2681029 Vaiman |
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Exactly what I was gonna say! The LOVE of money is the root of all evil. Money in itself is neutral. It can be used for good or evil. It's the intentions of the heart of the one who possesses it that is the real issue. The bible says you can't love God and money both. You will love one and hate the other. It is possible to Love God and have money though. As long as the money doesn't have you. If the Lord instructs someone to give money to a need then that person will do so without hesitation if they Love God and want to do his will. |
Tue, 08/07/2012 - 01:19 | 2683892 monad |
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Sun, 08/05/2012 - 19:12 | 2680373 gmj |
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We do not have an instinct to produce; we have an instinct to take. We started out as hunter-gatherers; we took. We killed those who competed with us for resources. We learned agriculture when there was nothing left to take. Now we have a class of hunter-gatherers in the world's banks, corporations and legislatures. They will not stop until there is nothing left to take. They are enabled by a population of uninformed, uninterested, lazy citizens who are anaesthetized by popular culture and materialism. There is no higher purpose in life for most people beyond the pursuit of pleasure and possessions. This is why revolutions never come from the masses. They always come from a few disenchanted idealists from the middle or upper classes. The masses don't have the understanding or vocabulary for revolution. When they get upset, they prey on each other. The ancient Greeks and Romans tried democracy, but they knew that the mob could not handle power. So the mob was represented by the educated gentry. Ultimately, power was wielded at various times by the army, the nobility, and the clergy. The masses just don't have the attention span for governing. |
We do not need angels or devils. We are the angels. We are the devils. Every one of us has all these facets. Circumstances decide which facet is visible. Democracy is probably the best system for restraining our vices. But it only works if the electorate is conscious and informed. |
Sun, 08/05/2012 - 18:40 | 2680299 CH1 |
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