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The anger stems from having to argue againt intellectual dishonesty and lack of self awareness. It's frustration at repeatedly seeing a meme control the thoughts of so many over verifiable evidence to the contrary. Eventually you stop trying to convince them that what they've convinced themselves is a verifiable truth actually isn't, so you just make a snarky comment and move on
Being frustrated that a common tactic on the other side essentially shuts down conversation isn't offense, no one is insulted, my principles aren't being violated, it's just frustrating and anyone is free to call it out.
You can look at just the words put forth, or you can consider the full context, they will lead to different responses, neither of them is someone being offended
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Yeah I feel like this is bad advice. Kids need to learn that doing basic chores isn't something that should be rewarded with money. It's a healthy habit that should be taught from a young age so they can have a better quality of life in the future and be responsible and respectful. Giving them money is only gonna make them entitled. That's why so many teenagers leave the McDonald's tray on the table "because the workers are paid to pick them up" and others wouldn't even think of leaving the table like that and probably even take other costumers' trays.
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Your original argument was that kids shouldn't be rewarded for doing chores because it's "basic shit". Someone asked you why you have a job (and I expanded) since that's getting rewarded for "basic shit". Chores are just small tasks, what I would call "basic shit". Jobs are also made up of many tasks, do while they may be more complex and require more expertise, they're just "basic shit" at the core.
So it sounds like you have some distinction here I'm not really getting between a task and basic shit.
Merging the thread:
> Your edit is wrong. Doing chores is not a "job", it's a baseline level of operating. You're screwing your kids by teaching them that everything they do will result in external rewards, so they don't associate doing chores with doing work just for themselves.
So it sounds like you want kids to learn about the intrinsic benefit of doing work without necessarily seeing a reward. That's a good message, but it doesn't necessarily have to be taught through chores/without paying for chores. The message of value your work enough to be paid for it is also a good one to teach your kids. I'm not a parent, but I think it's up to then to choose when and how they teach lessons like that. There's not a "wrong" lesson here.
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> Chores are just small tasks
Wrong. Chores are not "just small tasks" they're specifically small tasks that have no purpose beyond *personal* life maintenance, nothing like what goes on at a job. Your whole argument is completely undercut by this false assumption.
> So it sounds like you have some distinction here I'm not really getting between a task and basic shit.
Yes, but only because I'm not being intellectually dishonest in this conversation and carry the shared understanding of what a chore is, along with the rest of the population of speakers of English.
> So it sounds like you want kids to learn about the intrinsic benefit of doing work without necessarily seeing a reward. That's a good message, but it doesn't necessarily have to be taught through chores/without paying for chores.
No one said it necessarily had to do anything, what was said was that paying for chores teaches children to expect external rewards for work that has no external value. It's a lie, and it is *absolutely* wrong. Anyone who does this with their kids actively contributes to harming their children.
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I was trying to say I don't have a clue. Today I gave her a tick for tidying her room without being asked, then a tick for out of no where getting herself and her younger brother a drink instead of asking us. She showed initiative and selflessness (she's 7). This resulted in her younger brother being upset she was being rewarded, asking what can he do to get a tick.
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I do put items back when I see them around the store. (I also straighten shelves and pull products to the front when they’re hard to reach or see for others who may be looking for them.)
Unless it’s a perishable item. Then I bring it to the checkout and give it to the cashier (or a worker if I see one before o get to the checkout) because they’re not supposed to put perishables back if they’ve been left out of the cold areas.
I’ve purchased milk that when I got it home was spoiled. I don’t want anyone else to deal with that problem.
I also often grab the stray crap people leave around the check out areas as I’m waiting in line, and give to cashier so it can get restocked or handled.
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As someone that works in a supermarket, I hate people like you with a passion. There’s nothing worse than when you’re about to clock out for the night, and someone notices a whole bunch of random shit that needs to be put back in the right place. Either don’t take them, leave them with the cashier so they know about them, or just go and put them back.
**ESPECIALLY IF YOU GOT THE ITEM FROM THE FRIDGE. IF YOU DONT PUT IT BACK IN THE FRIDGE IT WILL HAVE TO BE THROWN AWAY.**
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Absolutely. Flood water typically has a current to it already and is not necessarily stationary. You slip in to a manhole cover it is already designed to go down 3-6 feet without flood waters. You are now under infected water (that you likely just swallowed in shock) and in a confined space 3-6 feet below where you were. Disoriented and being sloshed around or potentially hit things floating underwater with the current.
Panic begets panic and now you have inhaled more water because you never got a good intake of air when you fell in suddenly.
And now you have drowned.
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Here's another mental math trick that comes in handy every once in a while.
If you are multiplying 2 numbers that are the same distance from a number that is easy to square, square the easy number, then subtract the square of the distance to the original numbers.
Ex: 27 times 33. 27 and 33 are both 3 away from 30. So we square 30 and subtract 3 squared. 900 - 9 = 891.
This is the difference of squares x^2 - y^2 = (x - y)(x + y)
85 * 75 = 80^2 - 5^2 = 6375
91 * 89 = 90^2 - 1^2 = 8099
#AMAZING
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Why do you assume everyone is going to say nice stuff about someone nasty? The fact that you, the magnanimous soul you are, don't descent to their level of petty insults doesn't suddenly give their insults weight. If they make specific claims you can naturally deny them, but to sully your name in such petty conflict should at least appear to be below you.
People don't go around saying: 'Oh they were so surprised that were insulted and since they failed to insult mr not nice back, it must be true'?
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No no, I wouldn't be saying that in this situation- *you're* supposed to come to the conclusion that he's a bitter conniving gosspiy queen upon hearing *me* say he's a nice guy.
The whole point of the post is not to insult someone, why would someone say he's nice, then when asked why - immediately call him that? lol
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It's easy to be a gossip and still well-liked. Just don't say anything bad about the person you're talking to. So if no one has anything bad to say about him - that certainly doesn't mean anything he's saying has any truth to it.
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I hope everyone’s taking notes, because this person is putting on a bloody masterclass. [This is Putin quality. ](https://youtu.be/-E1gJMukGA8)
Edit: For context, these guys are joking about a fake cologne company called "Andy by Hamish." Andy is the black-haired guy, and he signed a blind contract (didn't know what it entailed) given to him by Hamish, the guy in the blue and white shirt. Jack is, well....a third wheel to all of their shenanigans.
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That is completely acceptable but when I was younger I worked at a few restaurants and when people camped at your tables it was the worst.
The only thing worse than a camper that's reading is when a group of people after paying the bill hang out at your table for another two and a half hours. They might not realize this but we aren't allowed to leave until you physically leave that table and if we are actually still working then you possibly just cost that server 30 to $50.
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Considering there’s a difference between taking the high road (not insulting them back) and being outright hypocritical (complimenting them back), I wouldn’t say this LPT is common sense. *Everyone* knows that *no one* likes hearing rumors about themselves, if you respond by complimenting the person who insulted you, everyone know’s you’re lying.
Instead, say something mature and accepting, maybe something like acting surprised and saying “That’s a shame that he/she thinks that”, or even just an “Okay, good to know”. Basically, yes, don’t insult them back, that’s 100% a great LPT. But here’s where this LPT fails: don’t act like you’re oh so happy and okay to hear it to the point where you compliment the other person either cause you’ll look pathetic and insincere. The integrity lies in your sincere refrain to criticize the other person, but also your *sincere* response. Complementing the other person is not sincere.
This LPT is the adult equivalent to the “Zero tolerance policy” in schools. No, you don’t just simply take hits in the face and “turn the other cheek”.
That zero tolerance bs wasn’t even the true meaning of the passage in the bible when it was written (which was its origin). When the bible talks about Jesus “turning the other cheek” it talks about demanding respect from the people who wrong you. Back in those days, you could only use your right hand to slap a person (left hand = devil) anyways, you would also slap a person with the back of your hand as a sign of disrespect and authority over them. When Jesus “turns the other cheek” it is demanding the person to slap you with the palm of their hand, something that signifies that you are now at their level of authority.
I’m not even religious nor mean to bring religion into this conversation, but I’ve done religious studies and I always find it interesting how my school’s bullying policy was “Turn the other cheek” when the fucking point of the original passage where that saying came from wasn’t even “don’t stand up for yourself”, it was more like “demand the fucking respect you deserve”. I suffered a lot because of that “turn the other cheek” bs, since I was never able to stand up to my bullies and one of my teachers went as far as forcing us into a group project together so we could “become friends.” My mom threatened to sue the school after that and that teacher dropped her cute group project = friendship bullshit. These girls had no intention on leaving me alone.
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>During his stay at “Les Délices,” in Geneva, Voltaire was visited by the Italian Casanova, who said, in answer to his host’s praise of Haller, that the Bernese savant did not return the compliment by speaking well of Voltaire. “Perhaps we were both mistaken,” was the simple reply (Peut-être nous nous trompons tous les deux).
>Theano, the priestess of Delphi, told Timæonides, who had often reviled her, that, notwithstanding his unkindness, she always spoke well of him, but had the luck still to find that her panegyric had the same fate with his satire,—to be equally discredited.—STERNE: Koran. Prior derived an epigram from this:—
>“You always speak ill of me,
>I always speak well of thee;
>But, spite of all our noise and pother,
>The world believes not one nor t’other.”
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Mostly unnecessarily but contact clues do help in the first paragraph. The people of the time would know those titles and who was being referred to. Imagine telling someone from that era:
"Elon Musk was surprised to hear from Bill Gates that Hitler didn't speak well of him. The Tesla magnate said..."
They'd be confused as fuck because they don't know what Tesla is it is relationship to the conversation. But if you went on to say:
"Elon Musk was surprised to hear from Bill Gates that Hitler didn't speak well of him, even though he spoke highly of the others' oratory. The Tesla magnate conceded that perhaps they were both wrong."
Here you can infer the Tesla magnate is the same individual who was surprised in the beginning. I'm on mobile so spiralling an example, hope I didn't add to the confusion.
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I don't know, admittedly I only know who Voltaire is, and not very well. I know was a very important theologian and philosopher.
But the point is you don't need to understand these cultural references to get the point of the passage.
Could easily be read as "Bob was visited by Steve. Steve told Bob that while Bob had praised Jerry, Jerry had criticized Bob. Bob replied "maybe we are both mistaken".
Edited because I'm stupid.
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Let my try it another way. Here is how I read it:
> During his stay at “Les Délices,” in Geneva,
Homes/Manors/estates often had names; the above boils down to *"While in Geneva"*
> Voltaire was visited by the Italian Casanova,
*"Dude 1 visits Voltaire"*
> who said, in answer to his host’s praise of Haller,
*Voltaire: «says nice things about Haller» (some guy)
Dude 1: Um...*
> that the Bernese savant did not return the compliment by speaking well of Voltaire.
*Dude 1: Funny you should say those nice things about Haller. He was shit talking you. Jus sayin.
> Perhaps we were both mistaken,” was the simple reply (Peut-être nous nous trompons tous les deux).
*Voltaire: ~~scratch that, he a bitch~~ I mean, maybe we were both wrong. (Haller was wrong in his shitty opinion of Voltaire and Voltaire was wrong about his good opinion of bitchboi Haller.)*
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As a work boot salesperson...the first few days, if it hurts, that is normal. It's just like breaking in a new pair of shoes. Take them out if it gets too bad, put the original footbeds back in and let your feet rest for a couple hours. Then put the orthotics back in. Your feet need to adjust because they're not used to it.
Now, if they keep hurting, you need to find a different pair that supports your feet better. Everyone's feet is unique to them. No two pairs of feet are alike, so you need to find what orthotic works for you. Rigid orthotics are the way to go. Not that Dr. Scholls shit.
Also, your shoe size should be measured by the size of your arch (heel-to-ball), NOT your foot (heel-to-toe) length. On average, I've found the arch length to be about one size to a size-and-a-half longer than the foot length, but that's not always true. Clarification: If you're getting your shoe size from your foot length, you need to account for toe room by going up one size from your foot length. Example: if your foot length is a US10, you need a size US11 for toe room. But, ALWAYS use your arch length, NOT your shoe size or foot length, when getting fit for arches.
And, save that $400 and go try the $30-60 orthotics at a specialty work boot store. Try those out before shelling out the money to the podiatrist. Those custom orthotics the doctor makes don't always work.
Hope this helps 😊
EDIT: Clarification
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Dr scholls has a "custom" line for around $100 (they are still squish), and a podiatrist will charge way more for professional ones. So I think $50 is pretty reasonable. Its a good product. Mine last me years and and make a noticeable difference. I initially bought them for my plantar fasciitis that came from running. Now I mostly use them in my work shoes. Of course I'm still sore after being on my feet for a 7 hour shift but not as sore as I am without them! Buy from somewhere with a good return policy if you are interested but skeptical.
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You seem particularly hung up on this idea that EVERYONE is out to get you. Why? They're not. I've literally never felt that way in my entire life. Sure, some times you encounter a string of assholes in a row. But never do I think "okay, why is everyone out to get me?" It's more like, "wtf what's wrong with SOME people."
I get your point, but it just sounds like you may be overreaching a bit, and it could lead you to constantly reevaluate your mindset--which is exhausting and unnecessary imo. Just because you encounter 7 assholes in a row doesn't mean the 8th person won't be an angel. And just because you're having a great streak of luck with people doesn't mean an asshole hammer isn't coming to smash your butthole.
Frankly, if you're overly worried that other people are too preoccupied with you, it may be because you're too preoccupied with other people.
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That person misrepresented the idea. It is that we are responsible for how we choose to *react*. If someone yells at me, yea I definitely am reacting to that with negative emotions. But, what I decide to do with that emotion is on me. Just like the stabbing case, the robber totally is to blame for your pain, but, you are responsible for how you react to said event. (In this case, sue their fucking ass).
Hope that clears it up
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I think there os a difference in pizza culture in US. White pies ar basically unheard of outside of more artisan style places. It hard to find a decent Margharita, even then you will likely get red sauce.
I think here pizza is more of a fast food. Cheesy, oily, cheap, and ready to go in 5 mins. So slices fit the market better
That being said, there is lots of diversity here.
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Yes.
I spent 20-odd years in the pizza business. Ordering your pizza uncut allows you to get around the cut person's refusal to allow the pie to stage for one minute before cutting it (which allows all the oils, etc, to stabilize thus preventing the soggy product). It also allows you to avoid the "marked but uncut" issue caused by lazy/weak cut persons, the "speed demon" cut person, dull utensils, etc.
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Having worked 7 years in 6 different pizza places, I can tell you that you are getting chances on the amount of each topping, because there's no way in hell 8 toppings will cook properly if the appropriate amount was given. Your "double bacon" is less than a single scoop of bacon that is typically put on. You're better off going with the sandwich idea if you want it that loaded with toppings
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Get rid of it and get a rocker-style pizza cutter. Maintain it (cleaning, sharpening) just as you do your other kitchen knives.
Get a pizza stone too, and put it in the oven to warm up when you order the pizza. When it arrives, put a handtowel on the counter and place the hot stone on it. Open the pizza box on the stone and knock out the front wall of the box. Slice the pie however you want it, then block the pizza with the cutter and slide the box out from under it, leaving the pie on the hot stone. Toss the box and serve the pizza off the stone like a boss. Your date/s.o./friends/in-laws will love it.
Unless you're eating the pizza alone of course. Then just put the box on a TV tray next to the toilet and set your sixpack in the sink. Dump two or three trays of ice in the sink too, to make it *classy*.
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I worked for a pizza place for a couple of years and missed the hell out my rocker when I started having to make my own pies at home.
Don't buy one of those single-piece of stainless steel rockers where the handle is folded, like this:
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/4/7/8/9/6/7/webimg/431983583_o.jpg
They are cheap and really flexible and not so great. Spend the bucks and get a real one of solid metal. Kind of like this:
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But never identical product/skus. You can’t buy single 20oz in the drink aisle, and buying 6 at a time will naturally be cheaper.
Same with M&Ms, a small bag is more $/oz than say a king size bag, which is more than a large bag you would usually buy for baking. But yes if you are committed to using a large bag of M&Ms then buy one large bag and not six small bags.
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> The food delivery services require a contract because they charge extra for the food and have a payment system where the money goes through them and then to an account listed for the restaurant.
I'm sorry, there is not always a requirement for a contract to exist. If you'd ever worked in either industry you'd know this.
> If your owner is saying he didn't do a contract with them he is either lying or not really the person in charge.
I'm sorry, you really do not seem to know what you're talking about.
I've worked both sides of the equation, at a restaurant that delivers and as an employee of one of these services. The service I worked for did require a contract, but not all of these services require contracts with the restaurant. There can be a contract, but there does not need to be one.
Door Dash (just as an example) does not need a contract with the restaurant. The order is placed as a carry out, then the Door Dash contractor arrives, pays for the order (with the Credit card provided by Door Dash) and simply leaves with the order. I've seen this done at an establishment I worked at, where I was a delivery driver.
When I saw a Door Dash contractor enter our establishment, I was a bit angry and confronted my manager and spoke to the Door Dash contractor (spoke to, seeking the information I've just now conveyed to you).
Some of the services probably/might require contracts with the restaurant, but that is because the delivery services are providing the online presence; i.e. Bitesquad.
I have no experience with Grub-Hub, Uber Eats, Caviaror any other delivery services; but if they are not providing the online presence or other added value and are just picking up orders, there really should not be a reason they would be required to have a contract with the restaurant. They may want to have a contract, but that does not mean they are required.
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Thanks k you for your input. And I know about the red card system where the driver pays for the food upon arrival with the company card. However a contract is still required with the merchant. Perhaps your confusion is thinking it's this large formal stack of papers?
A simple trip to any of these websites will tell you are speaking purely anicdotal. None of the restaurants in any of these programs is on their without their o knowledge or without agreeing to programs that require concessions. I'll use DoorDash. Their own program states that a restaurant is required to make menu updates, is required to be responsible for refunds as dictated and granted to the customer by DoorDash, and must agree to all terms to participate as well as give 7 days notice to end their partnership. That's a contract. Business don't simply interact without consent from each other
*Edit* - figured I'd add this for you. This is the restaurant affiliate sign up form so they can reach out to you, verify you're the owner, make sure you understand you're requirements, offer you the order manager if you want it, and also setup the account they will bill you from for refunds. Just so you can see it's not them just sending people to the restaurant without their consent. Their is a contract between the businesses.
https://www.doordash.com/merchant/apply/
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For my daughters I usually ask a normal toned question that’s just like “You Ok?” With a little smile. And most of the time they are fine. I don’t like to say “You’re OK!” cause sometimes they aren’t. I think your demeanor is what is most important and how you respond to something like that is important. I don’t want my daughters growing up to feel I’m insensitive to them .
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I see this LPT ALL THE TIME and honestly I tried it and it doesn't work. At least not for my kid. My kid goes "no actually I really hurts".
In retrospect I was gaslighting him by telling him he wasn't feeling the things he was actually feeling. Now he makes a big fuss even for really minor things and I feel like it really backfired because he feels like he needs to make a big fuss for me to acknowledge him at all.
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This is what bothers me about this LPT. Don't tell your child how they feel. The OP is right that you can influence how a child feels after falling. You can even teach them to brush off little falls. But don't tell them how they feel.
I just say "boom! That was a big one! Hop back up!" In an encouraging tone. If they're not hurt, it distracts them from the shock of the fall. If they are hurt, they let me know by crying anyway. Either way, they get you decide how they feel.
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This seems like an important information to the people who applause the falls.
Sometimes reacting appropriately instead of made up non-concern is a better idea.
Let the kid be upset for a bit. Sometimes they aren’t hurt but they got scared of the fall and there is nothing wrong with being able to express it and get comforted. They do move on quickly and without hassle to the parent either way. But in one case they see an appropriate reaction to a fall and the other is... I don’t know not natural?
I’m not suggesting parents should make a big deal but it is ok to ask if they need a quick hug or if something hurts.
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Every kid is different. What works on some kids doesn't work on others, especially if this type of thing doesn't fit in with your parenting style in general. We just would be there for hugs and sympathy. It definitely helps if YOU don't panic everytime they fall. They grow out of it, it is not that big a deal. And think of it this way, you're teaching your kids they can come to you for anything, small, imaginary or real.
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failures in execution.
I always told my daughter "That hurts, doesn't it? But you're okay. Do you want me to look at and be sure? See, no injury. Just a bump."
Acknowledge that running full tilt into the coffee table does, in fact, hurt like a bitch. But you're not going to the hospital. You will be fine, and tears only take time to be dried and cleaned up before you get back to playing. Save them for when you're really injured, physically or emotionally.
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It really depends. Favors should be roughly equal between friends. If you get discounts, you should do something in return beyond just "being friends".
Unless they're incredibly well off and don't have to care about you getting discounts, of course. Then it does not matter much. But "you have a business, so I get discounts, I don't have a business, so you don't get discounts, thanks" is not a good way of handling things at all.
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They could be using that time for anything else - including for another customer. Their time is valued at $X per hour, and you’re asking then to spend it at X-20%.
That’s known as an opportunity cost, and it is absolutely a loss. They have given up their time for less than it is worth.
If they told you to cut work to help them out, and you lost out on a day of wages in return for $20, would you not see that as a cash loss?
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When you're eating out and relatively young or poor, it's fine to split the check with your friends. As you get older, it's customary for one person to foot the bill. This is in no way required, but ff you are the most local friend (i.e., did not travel far to meet the other friend[s]), plan on paying for the meal. They probably spent a fair amount of money travelling to meet you, it encourages them to visit you more often, and you can say, "you can pay the next time I'm at your place!" Making this assertion also helps avoid that awkward *who is going to pick up that check* look that happens at the end of the meal.
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True but that depends on way more factors than the degree itself. A bachelor's is so "introductory" to sciences that a BS will only land you graduate/professional school if you get involved, do research, and make connections. I don't really understand why anyone would major in biology to work right after school. That's not really how it works and I would expect someone who spent four years to get the degree to know about their future job prospects.
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I'm all for keeping your options open and not feeling like you *have* to go to college. But it kind of rubs me the wrong way when people shit on college like you shouldn't even bother with it. This post in particular isn't like it, but I see a decent number of people singing to the tune of "Why waste money on college when you can learn a trade?" I'm studying engineering, I like it and want to pursue it. There's no other options for me given this career choice, I have to go to college for it.
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My son didn't know what he wanted to do, so we said get a degree in a wide field but nothing tech related since it's not his thing. Nursing, Legal, Business are such wide bachelor's degrees that can allow you to work in a number of different capacities. He chose nursing and took the chemistry class first semester to get it out of the way since he had just had chemistry in senior year. Turns out he hated the nursing 101 class but loved the chem class, and chose to switch majors to biochem. he's in the end of his third year working in the library as the chemistry tutor and i'm betting that he'll be the SI for the nursing programs chemistry class next semester.
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So true, it frustrates me endlessly to watch people half-ass there studies, make no effort to network or find a career, then complain.
This is especially true at the small liberal arts college I went to. I even tried to start a club to help people network and find careers. No one came..
The people who busted there asses are doing great, but that's like one in 10 maybe. Everyone else is back home or working jobs they could have got without degrees.
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I feel like Womans Studies is one of those degrees that pairs well with other more generalized degrees to give a more focused resume. For example, a Business degree may net a new graduate a sales job at "Big Company", but the grad who double-majored in Business and Woman Studies is the perfect fit for "Boy Company" who is in the process of expanding their brand. And if by chance the second grad doesn't get that job, they still have the benefit of having two degrees and are still just as likely to get the sales job at "Big Company".
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It frustrates me too. A lot of colleagues of mine decided to change their major when things got too intensive and science heavy (usually organic chemistry). But they seemed to put very little thought into how they would market themselves with that degree after actually receiving it. I felt like I went out of my way to really make things happen for me in undergrad and I still felt like I had accomplished nothing when it was time to start looking for jobs. But the goal was always professional school for me, so it's not like it was a surprise to me when I took my gap year.
I had friends who majored in Mass communications but did so many internships during school that they all had jobs right after graduation. I don't know where people get the idea that if they just show up to classes and pass that they will get a job without doing anything else. These classes just give you the education to get involved in your field, determine if you like it, and use that experience to convince employers that you can be a valuable asset doing whatever. I was over the top obsessive about my job prospects during college though, so I may be a bit biased.
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I worked in a couple labs as an entry level chemist making 11 dollars an hour. I made more than that in highschool.
I took a gap year though, and professional school was really always my plan so it's not like I was blind sided. I just don't really understand why people think that if they get a science degree then that's it. The farther I got into getting my BS, the more I realized that I didn't actually know shit about anything. Especially when I started doing research for my Organic Chemistry professor my last semester. I couldn't believe how basic undergraduate o chem seemed after being exposed to what the graduate students were doing. It was a humbling experience, but I enjoyed every second of it personally.
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I mean I personally wouldn't go to Reddit to find out if I could get a job in my field and others probably shouldn't either. I chose professional school over a PhD in chemistry because I spent years talking to graduate students, doing research on job availability and pay for chemists, etc. Ended up not seeming worth it in the end and wasn't the lifestyle I wanted after that much higher education.
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Yep!! As you mentioned, there are some very clear/evident glass ceiling that correlate to your level of degree, which is why I just got grad school over with (I can't recommend it, those 5 years of my life where filled with stress and despair). If you are still thinking about going back to school, mull over the idea of a complimentary masters (business or law would be my recommendations) instead of a PhD. A master's in the hard sciences is fine but doesn't do too much to significantly increase your paycheck or number of job opportunities.
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Oh absolutely. I am actually enrolled in dental school right now. Dentistry caught my eye when my friends who were discussing it in undergrad. I looked into it and it seemed to encompass everything I loved about sciences and medicine but without the morbidity of general medicine. I found the surgeries to be really interesting as well. I wanted to be more certain that I could stablize myself financially when I finished school. Im loving it so far. I would have only really chose it if I liked it though. Once I shadowed, it really stuck with me.
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While I absolutely think this is a good tip, trades aren't a replacement for college. They are vastly different careers with different drawbacks. My father is a mechanical contractor and makes about 10k more than me. He's in excellent condition for a 55 year old but can't do it for much longer. He has already had to cut back from 60 hours a week to 50. I'm 24 and have unlimited time off. He pushed me not to do a trade and couldn't be happier that I didn't.
Edit: As a little more background, my father did 3.5 years of college as a math major but then dropped out to work full time. He credits his education as the reason that he has gotten as far as he has in his trade. $14/hr about 12 years ago to being considered as a partial owner.
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Preach. I can’t wait to see this LPT posted again when another recession hits and droves of welders/pipefitters/pipeliners, electricians, boilermakers, ironworkers/steelworkers, sheet metal workers, and carpenters are on the bench and starving because construction has ground to a halt. My parents, who were both union pipefitters suffered through those booms and busts. Dad retired after falling out of a piperack and injuring himself so badly that he was prematurely pronounced dead and Mom went back to school to be an engineer because she had no family life and was tired of being harassed. She also had to have back surgery in her 50’s because of her construction days. Too many of these people advocating for the trades only look at the money. Well there’s more to life than money. If we want people to join the trades, we need to give workers a better work/life balance, take a better look at safety, and repeal Taft-Hartley, yesterday. We also need to try and mitigate these ten year boom-bust cycles.
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Yep. As long as I get my work done I can take as much time off as I want. I'm salary, so I've had a few long weeks (60hrs) when we were busy but I've probably taken 6 weeks of vacation already this calendar year. However, at some companies they offer this to avoid paying PTO hours when an employee leaves, but won't actually allow their employees to take much time off. Luckily mine is not one of these.
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I went to university for 5-6 years and didn't get a degree out of it before getting into the trades as an electrician. I absolutely love being an electrician and wish I started straight out of highschool but with that being said, I don't regret a single moment of post secondary education.
You get a lot more out of attending post secondary than just getting a piece of paper and knowledge in a specific major. I feel like attending post secondary helped me mature a lot as a person despite not graduating it.
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Recessions are always the scariest parts of working in the trade. Honestly, no one is safe. There's pretty much no such thing as job security as a tradesman. The best you can hope for is to work for a legit and decent company that values its employees.
I worked for a good company for a while as an apprentice electrician in Alberta a year ago but the economy wasn't doing well and even though I feel like the company valued me as an honest and decent worker, I was still let go without prior notice. I didn't see it coming at all. I don't hold anything against them because they were honestly good people running the company, it's just the way of life in the trades.
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I'm glad that you're doing something you enioy. I actually really love working with my hands and I'm lucky that my position let's me because most people in my field don't get that opportunity. I just want to make sure that we don't go "anti-education" with the whole trade push. Both are valuable and should co-exist peacefully. My knowledge of basic trade skills that I learned from my dad has helped me land a job twice now.
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Oh I completely agree. I'm very thankful that I attended post secondary. This is just my opinion from my time in the trades, but most of my coworkers are the type of people I would say could have benefited with more liberal thinking which they might have gotten with more education. Many of the people I worked with were pretty ignorant and it was almost like a great divide from the type of mindset that they generally held compared to the mindset of those I encountered while in university.
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That's what I think a lot of Reddit misses. There are lots of us that were "forced" to go to college. Not really forced. But, everybody in my immediate and extended family worked in jobs that were closer to trades than not. Some of them damn good jobs.
But it was always kind of a given that I was going to college. Very much "I worked hard and dirty so you won't have to" type of thing. When everybody around you is blue collar the college route is seen as a way out and a better way.
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I was one of many people who was seduced by the promise of high-paying trades- which, as far as I can tell, is an absolute fiction, because none of the job offers I got were over $10/hr. Most stressful two years of my life, and if I had to rely on that shit for a living I probably would’ve drank myself to death by 30 or so.
These days, I’m a locksmith, and I’m making twice that to essentially sit in an air conditioned showroom and practice lockpicking for eight hours. Trades aren’t some magical guarantee for a good life. It’s grueling labor that will inevitably destroy your body, and the only way you’re going to be making those six-figure salaries is if you’re innately skilled AND practice rigorously.
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It was kind of weird in my family, because my dad had that mentality, but his extended family didn't. Now that I am making twice as much as my uncle (who did NOT get into a good trade) they are reconsidering their position. But its not for everyone. Both are really valid options, and I am glad that people are trying to prop up trades as a choice. We just have to make sure that we don't oversell either route or downplay the negatives.
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I have unlimited time off. The policy is that you can take time off whenever you can do so without it causing problems. That time doesn't exist, so you end up having to arrange with multiple people to handle your things in your absence, and you are effectively on call during your vacation. It's like the dentist telling you to eat all the cheeseburgers you want the day after you get your wisdom teeth out: the number you want is zero.
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I feel if you're a SKILLED laborer you can find work, the more you know the more you're worth, I might be biased but I think the modern world cant survive without electricians, not everyone is willing to get hit by 277 volts or even 120, I know the economy will take a shit again but if i have to take a pay cut from $50 an hour to $25 an hour I'd do it to survive. Best advice for tradesmans is LEARN, learn the proper terminolagy for your material, 80% is sound like you know what you're talking about, on the field learn and THINK about what you're doing.
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glad to see complexity brought into the situation. the trades are a choice, certainly, but the upper middle class never encourage their kids to go into the trades. income mobility has never been lower in the US. or in other words, the rich have stayed richer and the poor, poorer. Typically, [welders make 40k/yr](https://www.bls.gov/ooh/production/welders-cutters-solderers-and-brazers.htm). That's below the [bachelor holder's average, which is about 56k/yr](https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2018/data-on-display/education-pays.htm).
hmmm fucking hmmmmmmmm.
sure, if you're smart, dedicated, have a good head on your shoulders and love working with your hands, the trades actually aren't an unviable choice. but by the data, they are not the better choice if salary is all you care about.
This is the equivalent of people saying that you can win against the casino. technically, yes. is it likely? no. if you say that it is, that's because you have a superbly weak grasp on statistics and/or are affected by particularly powerful anecdotes. the second point is a valid way of interpreting the world. but an evidence based method of determining the superiority of paths puts college ahead more often than not.
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I completely agree. Too often do I see people with the mentality of "just get a trade; it's worth more than a college degree". While trades aren't bad, I feel they are made out to seem much more lucrative than they really are. I had a few friends take this advice straight out of high school because it was the easy route, and now they work in fields that offer no room for growth, little promotion/benefits/security, or in the long will take a toll on their body.
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And in many cases it is worth going to college. As long as you go for something known to provide good jobs (STEM, medical, etc(?)). If you go to something not known to make money (humanities, history, "gender studies") then you have to realize your options may not be that great.
I got a STEM degree and my first job out of college started me at $30/hr. Compared to the trades mentioned that start at ~$15/hr.
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This whole 'do a trade' thing is so Reddit it hurts. It's written by people who arent tradies and it's upvoted by people who have no interest in becoming tradies.
These kids see the figures for experts and think what the hell am I going to college for. Does my head in. You can work your way up in many office fields without requiring a degree but they are always conveniently overlooked.
It's either get a STEM degree or do a trade. There is no middle ground on Reddit.
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I work for a small-ish cloud computing platform company, and this is definitely the truth. We're a distributed (all remote) company, so there isn't even any internal network or WiFi to manage, but our two internal IT guys are constantly busy with soooooo much other stuff than babysitting employees. We've been hiring a few people a week, and half their week ends up being getting everyone set up in our systems (which is why we just hiring a new IT automation engineer).
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At a large company, how easy would it be to tell who’s device is doing what? Is it even feasibly possible if there were 50+ employees? ***EDIT: I am asking this question assuming that it is my personal device which is not named after me. In other words, how do they know that MY phone is accessing reddit opposed to my 50 coworkers?***
Do companies ever ask you for logs of what is being accessed through their WiFi? Or how else would they find out if an employee was using the WiFi improperly?
Have you ever seen someone doing messed up stuff on company WiFi/internet and looked the other way? After all - aren’t you the gatekeeper/if you don’t report it there’s no other way that management could find out?
Asking for a friend.
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They don't need you to hand over anything and the size of the company does not matter. If you are on their WiFi, they see everything. The exception to this is a VPN. Assuming no VPN, most networks will auto flag suspicious activity for human review. Meaning, if you have 10k employees it won't matter because the network will flag you and a person will review your logs/access records. Anything done on any network has the ability to be tracked and accounted for because you're not doing it on your phone, you're doing it on their network.
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Not true. This is the end users choice, if the user wants to use your WAP(via personal device) and hide their activity they can(which I know you are aware of).
For anyone that does not know, you can connect to a VPN server while on wifi and all traffic is encrypted by your device before it is sent through the network. This means when you go to facebook.com, all this guy will see is encrypted jumbled up random data going to your VPN server(not facebook). This will (for the most part) let you access services and sites that the network admin may have restricted as well because your VPN is not pornhub, it's your VPN lol.
Of course the admin can just block access to the VPN ... if he does that I reccomend tire slashing and water boarding.
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If you use your phone to log into any company system it is likely that they tie the device ID to your AD login e.g. emails, Skype/Lync, Oracle etc
If it is purely your personal phone then yeah, they wouldn’t be able to tell. If they were super anal they could check to see when the device first registered and tie that to the first day you were in the office but I don’t know a sys admin bothered enough
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all MAC addresses for the devices that are being routed traffic would show in the router's ARP table so it knows who gets what data. so if you have connected to one of your company's Wireless Access Points and have attempted to connect to the network, they have your MAC address, but may not be able to prove it's you without additional evidence like a video camera that would show what time you arrived on campus and what time the device started it's connection to match it up with.
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Software on the device itself can identify you with ease, and automatically send logs to them if programmed to do so. Company property will probably have such software installed by IT, so always assume 100% of whats done on a company phone or computer is recorded with your name on it.
As for Private devices, its a bit more secure, but if you use Company Internet, you probably have to sign in some how, which means you had them your name with every internet request. If not, your lucky, but there are still ways of tracking you, such as the devices unique MAC address, which offers some ways of indirectly identifying all traffic that goes through it, and if they can link that MAC address to your device, they can know its you.
There are ways around most of this, but it gets pretty complicated. and more advanced tracking techniques can get around even that. Even VPN may be unsafe if the company sets up a Man in the Middle attack for all traffic on their Internet. its just better to assume everything on company property is recorded and linked back to you, and anything on their internet probably is too.
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That’s true when it’s site encryption (https), but the post you’re replying to is taking about using a proxy/VPN. In that case all traffic is going to the proxy/VPN server so they see a shitload of encrypted traffic going to one site. Disclaimer: this is a super simplified explanation and is dependent on the type of connection to your VPN, level of encryption, and precisely which traffic is routed through it.
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To address your edit....yeah we can generally figure it out. The larger the organization, the less we’ll be able to use the process of elimination to figure out who you are though.
The easy way is to look at the Wireless Access Point that you’re using and go from there. Most gateway software will log device types, so you can eliminate everyone without that device, etc, etc.
Generally though we don’t give a flying fuck unless you’re using company property (and even then we don’t care unless management is throwing a fit about it). We’re probably wasting time more than you. The one thing we will ding you for is if you start using a fuck ton of data, but even then we’ll just kick you off the network.
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I am not the person you are talking to, and I get your point, but there are a lot of variables. If there is a mobile device management MDM or mobile application management MAM software installed on your personal device, they could easily find your MAC address.
If you do not have MDM or MAM, and you are just joining the company WiFi, then there should be some type of authentication which should be trackable, but again that is dependent on the company setting up corporate wifi correctly.
Now if you are just adding your personal phone with no MDM on the guest wifi it gets a lot harder, and is probably not worth the effort for the network side
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After they announced they were banning phones from the wifi, because our wireless was already overloaded and slow, I just changed my iPhone’s name to the exact same syntax as my HP laptop’s name, except used the name of the remote guy who rarely comes in.
My iPhone didn’t get noticed and banned for 2 more months.
I needed it because I wanted to stream music all day, cell reception was shit, and the headphone audio quality coming from my expensive HP laptop was terrible no matter how much I fucked with the audio settings and drivers.
Seriously like a $2500 HP laptop with a $0.10 DAC. Some real bottom of the barrel shit. I’m not an audiophile or anything, it just sounded terrible.
Anyways a small USB DAC was the next step and final solution.
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If we’re talking about a VPN or a secure connection to a proxy then it’s in the encrypted packet, sure. They would have to capture it on your machine (assuming that’s where you’ve set up the VPN. Which is likely given that we’re talking about a work network) or at the VPN server to see into without breaking the encryption. There’s practically zero chance they have any clout to run anything on the VPN provider’s end so that leaves your machine. If it’s a personal device, then they would have to get administrative/root access to it at some point to install some kind of tracking/sniffing software without your knowledge. A move that’s illegal in most places. If it’s a work device, then it’s already been covered in this thread, they can do what they want and would have little trouble seeing your traffic.
There’s little chance they’re breaking the encryption. It’s trivial these days to use very complex encryption and breaking it would most certainly require WAY more resources than is even reasonable. Especially if we’re considering all of the encrypted traffic that goes over their network. Much easier to just block all known VPN servers.
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No, the device name is mostly for the amusement of the IT administrator. If they need to actually use the data for a valid purpose (I. E. correct an employee who is using the company IT infrastructure for illegal purposes) the device name is simply not enough. In addition to the device name, the MAC address and IP address of said phone is likely logged. This let's the IT administrator track the traffic back to the actual phone in use and not someone pretending to use someone else's phone. However, that method is not bullet proof either as both IP addresses and MAC addresses can be spoofed (e. g. pretending to be someone else)
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Unless, of course, you've ever accessed something related to your specific work on that device, logged in to an email or have an account synced... or visit websites with profiles that could be used to identify you or any number of other things.
If the IT had a task to figure out who's what on the network, they would figure it out. There's many ways, some more obvious than others.
If you want to browse privately at work, use a personal mobile internet connection. Boom. Impervious.
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Unless you have installed software that the IT told you to install, the contents of your phone are safe until the IT asks for it to be "searched through". Obviously, they can see what you are doing on the company's network, so if you want to browse privately then use a mobile internet, not WiFi, and don't keep super private info on that phone.
You can try setting up separate accounts with different passwords, but if your IT guys are good, they will probably figure it out and since you signed that paper, you will have to unlock it.
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I work in cyber security, so I can elaborate. It’s not difficult to find who owns what device, even if it’s personal. The amount of sites that are still running on http during login is insane. We have queries we run to find the usernames and emails. Once you have either it’s a quick google search to see who owns it.
There’s also fingerprinting with many proxy servers and network scanners. Those often given unique identifiers which over a period help us narrow down the owner.
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If you do those things, then you're up for a good start. For it to hold up in court however, you would probably need use the actual device (or find a way to obfuscate the local logs in the device) as a computer forensics tech will likely need to analyze the logs on the device/computer itself for verification. But that isn't completely bullet proof either. You would have to prove that your friendly neighborhood HR lady was actually using the device at the given time (CCTV etc).
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At my work they scan packets for content. (They don't tell you this, I found out because my security on my device noticed something was "wrong" and wouldn't allow me to connect. Did some digging and found out this is company standard.) I no longer connect any of my devices.
Not that I'm doing anything wrong, but if they have that kind of mindset, I don't trust them not to scrape other data.
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If you are logging in to a company's email server, then rest assured, they know. Hell, if you have an exchange synced, they OWN your phone to begin with.
I mean, there's so many ways I could go about figuring out who's what on my network if I had to. Hell, I could just wait for a coworker to arrive at work and catch their device handshaking to an access point. Boom, got you. Now I know your MAC and device name and IP and model and OS and etc. No need for any weird hacking. Easy.
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You could set up a tunnel between multiple, but no that's not something you'd be doing as a beginner.
A VPN is not (as the marketing would have you believe) a perfect solution to your problem, whatever it is.
A VPN is very helpful in certain circumstances. If you don't know what they are, perhaps do a little research before paying for one.
I'm happy paying for my VPN because I get my moneys worth from it.
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The other guy was pointing out that if you've ever used the device to access a company site, they have your MAC address and such, though (short of spoofing with a rooted device or whatever.) If I'm looking to see who's browsing stuff I don't want them browsing, the first thing I'm going to do is check the MAC address against company server logs to see if they've ever connected to internal websites, Exchange, etc.
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It's possible even with thousands of users. Most enterprise firewalls and proxies have built in tools to help with this. There's a slew of other tools that do /only/ this as well.
Logs are collected on our side, not yours. It's unlikely you'd ever need to be asked for something that an admin/engineer can't already get.
Admins/engineers follow the directive of higher ups (boss, director, HR, information security officer). If we're told to look into a specific incident, we do. If we're told to enforce a policy, we do.
We don't have time to or care to look into what everyone is doing at all times of the day. With that said, there are almost always alerts and/or safeguards in place to ensure policies are being enforced.
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> More lucrative plans do tend to limit you, for example by cutting off torrents or mobile hotspot, some even make you pay extra for data on tablets
Nonsense. I pay 15 EUR or so and I get unlimited 4G/LTE internet (on my home network, which is using an LTE modem/router with an antenna). And that is true unlimited, no restrictions, no throttling, up to 40 mbps on a (really) good day, around 20 m/s domestic latency, around 30-50 m/s to EU servers. Downloading a movie right now at 3-4 MB/s.
I am in Lithuania.
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Company device means company knows its MAC address, name and everything else. They would know this device is being used to connect to internet and likely where, depending on what other measures you take (like a VPN, SSL and etc).Using company device as a hotspot just enables other devices to use its connection. But the company knows that connection is yours (using a phone issued to you), so...
Mind you, assuming IT cares. More likely than not they have their hands full with work as is, and unless there's specific orders or company policy to perform monitoring like that, they certainly couldn't care less, unless you cause problems with it.
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VPN (with SSL) masks the traffic that's being ran, so they wouldn't see what exactly you are looking at, but they would still see that the traffic is there, so you specifically are doing SOMETHING.
Rule of a thumb - if you want to fly under a radar for sure use your own network and stay off the network of those you are trying to avoid. If you are on their network there is always a certain degree of a gamble whether they have resources and motivation to perform any monitoring like this.
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I was talking for my country mostly, which is Russia, and what you pay is the high end of celluar plans. By lucrative I meant, like... 3-4$ for unlimited data on a phone? Actually that's my former plan, and, expectedly, it was a PITA to use. That operator's coverage where I used it most (school) was sheet, you couldn't share it even with your tablet (tablet plans cost more! They even use IMEI to tell what device you have and almost force you offline if it's not a phone, and employed various snooping techniques to get you capped at 64kb/s if you're using hotspot mode. And if your tablet doesn't have celluar, well then get screwed!), and SMS rate is just nuts. At least call minutes were generous, but with how little I talk I'd gladly sacrifice all but 10 of them for a usable mobile hotspot.
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I used to live in an apartment in Houston with an outdoor hallway. At first I lived on the ground floor. We'd get an occasional cockroach, but they stayed on the ground. Mostly we had millipedes. As far as insects go, millipedes are easy mode. They can't climb very well, and when you kill them they tend to crumble instead of squish.
Then we moved to a larger unit on the second floor. It was like getting to the second level of a video game. Millipedes were scarce, but there were a lot more cockroaches, and suddenly they could fly. Like the Paratroopas of the insect community.
I moved out a couple of years ago, and good thing, because the third floor was bats.
Anyway, anecdotally I find that cockroaches don't like a well air conditioned home. As long as we set our AC to 68-73 (76-78 when we're gone), we see a lot fewer cockroaches.
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I work in pest control, if you are interested in what products can be used to combat them I can help. Doyourownpestcontrol.com has products that you can't get at Lowe's or home Depot that are much more effective. In many cases it still may be more cost effective to use a company, but many companies over charge so I thought people would like that resource. Let me know if you have a specific problem and I'll recommend what you should use.
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Also would like some help.
Live in Florida and have seen what I perceive to be regular sightings of the small roaches.
Because I don't ever want to see a cockroach in my house, I'm possibly over estimating how many/frequency I've seen them, but feels like weekly.
I've had pest control come out multiple times, encapsulated the crawl space, maniacally clean up all food spills and never leave food out. However the sightings persist. What else can I do here?
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I live in southern Louisiana. I have a young oak tree in my backyard, and my back door is about thirty five feet away from a tree line that is the beginning point for about 5 miles of uninhabited, overgrown, woods. I see small (what I assume are German) roaches sometimes flying outside, or crawling on the oak tree. It's not a super frequent thing, but they definitely live somewhere out there. I see about one every month in my kitchen, where the back door is located, and assume they came in from outside. I spray the Ortho barrier home defense stuff about every three months around the perimeter of my home. Do you think I should be worried? I have small kids and pets, and I really don't know a safe way to combat them if they are living inside.
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advion bait gel. You can get it on Amazon. Get that and an Insect Growth Regulator (IGR). Those two do-it-yourself treatments combined can eradicate the german roach infestation. Look for traces of what looks like black pepper around your baseboards and under your sink. That's roach feces. Put little spots of gel near those places and let it do it's trick. Don't kill the roaches that are eating the bait, let them eat it and return to the group. Good luck.
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I believe it is. I have two dogs and a cat and it was no problem. Here is a Q & A I just found with a quick search:
Q: What if my dog eats a cockroach that has ingested the Advion Roach Bait Gel?
A: There is no need to worry about any type of issues from your dog eating roaches that have been in contact with Advion Roach Bait Gel. There is only enough insecticide in these products to kill a roach, not enough to have any effect on a mammal.
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and here's another, more relevant answer:
Q: What would happen to the cat if they ingest Advion Roach Bait Gel?
I have a cat at home, and I saw in one of the questions that the gel should not be place where a cat might reach it. So I am wondering how sensitive is this potential hazard to pets.
A: According to the the Advion Roach Bait Gel MSDS:
"Potential Health Effects
Based on animal testing, no biologically significant effects are expected from skin or eye contact or by ingestion."
You should still read and follow the product label which recommends that you use the roach bait gel in places that will be inaccessible to your pet.
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Thanks for asking, you know well the culture impact you can have such as leaving food out etc. And you've had treatments from a company who I can only assume used decent product, the remaining things that could be causing you to see roaches would be environmental and mechanical.
What I mean by that is tempature and humidity in the home can increase the roaches want to be inside, and mechanical refers to the actual ease of access they may have into the home. Are you noticing them in a particular place? Are there holes along the outside of the home that lead in? Placing steel wool on those will deter all pest even mice. You could also ask the company to treat further out around the home. Most companies only go out 3-4 feet which isn't enough. Ask for a greater reach or try it yourself, I would recommend Temprid FX on the exterior.
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First off great job, quarterly is an excellent spray schedule. You may want to consider extending your reach from not just the barrier around the home but going a little further out at least 5 ft. The roaches on trees are normally not German roaches but American, if you're really worried try and take a picture of one and look online at the difference if you need help identifing pm me.
Roaches are an important part of a semi tropical and tropical ecosystem as they break down a lot of what is on the Forrest line. You could probably care less haha as long as they are out of the house, but I wouldn't worry about tree roaches wanting to. Unless they have a great incentive like left out food or climate issues outside you should be fine and the addition of you treatments keeps you safe.
As for on the interior you could do a treatment on the cracks corners and baseboards once a year with something like Alpine WSG, Just make sure what you use on the interior is softer than Ortho barrier on the interior.
Sorry I'm on mobil.
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