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It's a bit scary though lol, with the Dynos and the Databases and everything seems to be customizable haha...
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Forrest
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ha. it’s not so bad.
2017-09-06T18:06:51.000159
Junita
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Im used to run PHP with MySQL/PHPMyAdmin on a shared hosting :stuck_out_tongue:
2017-09-06T18:07:17.000277
Forrest
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it’s mostly a terminology issue, they complicate things with these crazy names like “dyno”
2017-09-06T18:07:25.000251
Junita
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this stuff, in a sense, isn’t much different than what you did. a “dyno” on heroku is basically just an instance of your application
2017-09-06T18:08:15.000354
Junita
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and you put some files in standardized places so it knows how to run it
2017-09-06T18:08:30.000043
Junita
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the big difference between running a python (or ruby or node) type web app and something like PHP via say Apache is that in Python you’ll usually run the application and have a webserver connect to via its ip address
2017-09-06T18:09:51.000142
Junita
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so the user talks to say, Apache, like normal, and then instead of running mod_php or whatever inside apache, it will run what’s called a reverse proxy and send the connections to your web application’s ip and port
2017-09-06T18:11:02.000200
Junita
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oh
2017-09-06T18:11:16.000397
Forrest
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that sounds weird to me lol
2017-09-06T18:11:38.000290
Forrest
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ha. it does seem kind of weird at first, but it can be beneficial, because for example you can have many workers behind a simple reverse proxy
2017-09-06T18:12:24.000389
Junita
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and it’s also possible to develop locally without needing the whole big heavy apache server
2017-09-06T18:12:55.000176
Junita
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well, weird or not, I am very interested in both Python and NodeJS so gotta learn haha
2017-09-06T18:13:07.000002
Forrest
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I saw that Django seems to come with a kind of webserver on its own
2017-09-06T18:13:22.000356
Forrest
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yup, so that the reverse proxy can connect to it
2017-09-06T18:13:38.000459
Junita
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and so you can develop locally
2017-09-06T18:13:44.000168
Junita
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I see
2017-09-06T18:16:32.000007
Forrest
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So, my learning stack would be: Docker -> Heroku -> Python -> Django?
2017-09-06T18:16:48.000211
Forrest
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That’s up to you - you probably could get started with Django on Windows without too much fuss.
2017-09-06T18:17:37.000244
Junita
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But in my experience things like Node or Python projects do tend to be more oriented towards unix like operating systems, so problems can arise.
2017-09-06T18:18:11.000254
Junita
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So yeah, to your original point, putting things in Ubuntu would help there.
2017-09-06T18:18:25.000073
Junita
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But there’s a learning cost, so in my opinion it’s worth it to just learn Docker instead, it’ll give you the same benefits and so many more.
2017-09-06T18:19:07.000220
Junita
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And then too when you go to deploy the site, you can rest easy knowing you are deploying the same thing you developed on.
2017-09-06T18:19:31.000044
Junita
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Docker and Python have some decent courses on Pluralsight if you have a subscription. The Django course there is kinda old now
2017-09-06T18:19:41.000421
Britteny
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Yeah... I am not very good in the "sys" side so the faster I can start coding, the faster I will be comfortable building the site lol xD
2017-09-06T18:19:44.000269
Forrest
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oh that’s a good idea, yeah a course like that might help jumpstart things a bit
2017-09-06T18:20:16.000051
Junita
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I don't have an inscription but they give a 10 days free trial
2017-09-06T18:20:30.000135
Forrest
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and that’s sort of the interesting thing too - Docker seems to many to be “advanced” but I actually think it helps do a good job of obfuscating a lot of the sys admin stuff pretty well
2017-09-06T18:20:56.000148
Junita
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so that in the end that yes, you need to learn this tool, but things overall get a lot simpler.
2017-09-06T18:21:28.000063
Junita
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okay
2017-09-06T18:21:47.000092
Forrest
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well I suppose I could deal with Docker at the same time as I learn about Heroku
2017-09-06T18:22:07.000043
Forrest
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hum <@Britteny> do you have any specific course for Docker to recommend on pluralsight? There's like 63... xD
2017-09-06T18:22:43.000114
Forrest
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yeah, make sure you feel comfortable with a simple hello world django app locally first
2017-09-06T18:23:17.000274
Junita
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Getting Started with Docker - was good
2017-09-06T18:24:07.000216
Britteny
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Also, for Python “Python Fundamentals” and “Python – Beyond the Basics” really helped me
2017-09-06T18:24:42.000034
Britteny
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oh nice they are much shorter than Udemy too lol
2017-09-06T18:25:21.000082
Forrest
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Beyond the Basics is longer, but in my opinion there is no filler. It’s all great stuff. Actually, Beyond the Basics I think is the best screencast I’ve seen
2017-09-06T18:26:22.000351
Britteny
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Hey guys
2017-09-06T18:26:31.000081
Georgiana
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Could you list the most typical questions on python interview?
2017-09-06T18:26:55.000024
Georgiana
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Is python pass by reference or value?
2017-09-06T18:28:50.000142
Eve
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I think that’d largely depend on the position
2017-09-06T18:28:53.000164
Junita
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I am applying to back-end role
2017-09-06T18:29:56.000444
Georgiana
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Junior, or senior?
2017-09-06T18:30:50.000274
Junita
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by value;)
2017-09-06T18:30:57.000063
Georgiana
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Middle
2017-09-06T18:31:03.000230
Georgiana
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not all arguments are by value
2017-09-06T18:31:49.000312
Junita
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Explain the HTTP Request/Response process
2017-09-06T18:32:04.000088
Eve
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Describe RESTful APIs, HTTP verbs, idempotent, etc
2017-09-06T18:32:46.000176
Eve
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actually a common related question is about mutable default arguments, since many people don’t realize that each time a function or method is instantiated, it gets a reference to the same object
2017-09-06T18:32:59.000282
Junita
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so if you have `foo(bar=[])` and modify bar in foo, each run of foo() will be modifyin the same default bar
2017-09-06T18:34:03.000070
Junita
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MVC architecture will often come up, as well as perhaps some questions about [No]SQL or any ORMs you have experience with.
2017-09-06T18:35:48.000208
Junita
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Definitely, also maybe some basic SQL, joins, 3rd normal form, etc
2017-09-06T18:36:23.000339
Eve
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CORS, CSRF tokens, other security related questions might come up as well.
2017-09-06T18:37:49.000317
Junita
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mid-level is tough for both the interviewer and the interviewee because a mid-level is naturally not going to know certain things
2017-09-06T18:39:03.000291
Junita
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I’m finding this kind of interesting. When I interview these days, which has only really been for seniors recently, I’m generally looking for qualities above and beyond technical skills. Your CV and Github / provided code should give evidence of that, and then I just want to understand -how you solve problems, how d...
2017-09-06T18:39:06.000019
Britteny
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yeah I certainly have moved away from a focus on very technical interview questions
2017-09-06T18:40:01.000226
Junita
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I find I ask no more than about 25 mins of tech questions, but then drop in stuff like ‘Have you seen the new feature in Node 8, what’s your opinion of async/await versus promises’
2017-09-06T18:40:05.000252
Britteny
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(we are mainly a JS environment)
2017-09-06T18:40:28.000258
Britteny
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yeah I think that’s a good approach. give people a topic and let them run with it and they’ll tell you a lot about themselves
2017-09-06T18:40:57.000157
Junita
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I like the async/await vs promises, basically language features, or differences between languages even and get their opinion
2017-09-06T18:41:19.000226
Eve
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I also like to talk to people about projects they’ve worked on in a very conversational manner. I find it can tell a lot
2017-09-06T18:41:33.000127
Junita
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I usually ask stuff about what they're into, what excites them, their favorite projects they've been on
2017-09-06T18:42:33.000042
Beula
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All of the above, yeah. If they can’t talk coherently about the design choices and trade-offs they’ve made, then they’re not really fluent enough with the tech
2017-09-06T18:43:05.000087
Britteny
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For a senior role
2017-09-06T18:43:14.000413
Britteny
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I’ve not interviewed for juniors in 10 years, which is a bit sad really as we need to do more of that
2017-09-06T18:43:35.000232
Britteny
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interviewing a junior is basically flipping a coin. lol
2017-09-06T18:44:18.000189
Junita
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Looks I am the only "lucky guy" with questions about big O
2017-09-06T18:46:48.000132
Georgiana
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and internals of JVM
2017-09-06T18:46:57.000168
Georgiana
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I am more a Java-developer but also looking for a python role
2017-09-06T18:47:26.000228
Georgiana
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Haha.. wow. I think it depends on who you interview with. We’re not trying to be google and have the best engineering team. We want to solve our customer’s problems, even those they haven’t been able to explain to us
2017-09-06T18:47:40.000268
Britteny
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Big O, algorithms, traverse a binary search tree in order, post order, pre order, but then your role has very little to do with that. I mean I understand needing to know fundamentals but those questions have always bothered me.
2017-09-06T18:52:19.000156
Eve
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But Java roles seem to like those types of questions.
2017-09-06T18:53:39.000004
Eve
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Yeah agreed. And honestly an interviewer asking those sorts of questions to me is a huge red flag about a place.
2017-09-06T18:55:32.000381
Junita
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But there are many red flags though
2017-09-06T18:58:51.000223
Georgiana
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I am ok with questions about datastructs and access/search time because you use datastructs every day
2017-09-06T18:59:29.000208
Georgiana
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yeah, that’s true, there are. and that’s actually an important thing as a job seeker. don’t settle for a place raising a bunch of red flags if possible.
2017-09-06T19:00:28.000066
Junita
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But writing an optimal solution having 5 minutes when interviewer is near you - it is weird
2017-09-06T19:00:34.000143
Georgiana
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Weird and just not how you do your day to day job. I'm not what information interviewers think they gleaning from a candidate in those situations.
2017-09-06T19:37:55.000081
Eve
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it's neither by value, nor by reference
2017-09-06T19:47:16.000127
Suellen
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That's always been my issue with smaller companies following suit with the "Google style" of interviewing blindly. They fail to realize that these methods are essentially an ongoing experiment executed by organizations that can afford teams the size of companies to crunch the data and adjust processes, and absorb high ...
2017-09-06T19:53:41.000040
Mallie
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I think this was posted to a channel here not too long ago <http://robertheaton.com/2014/02/09/pythons-pass-by-object-reference-as-explained-by-philip-k-dick/>
2017-09-06T20:10:02.000166
Eve
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even with all "blockers" disabled or whatever.
2017-09-06T21:49:51.000121
Bruno
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Is there a way to order words in the terminal? (MacOS/Linux) ``` The words looks li ke this ``` And.. ``` I want them like this ```
2017-09-06T23:25:11.000052
Lana
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not simply like that.
2017-09-06T23:27:48.000011
Bruno
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you can take a list of words and sort them with `sort`. but it simply sorts lines from stdout
2017-09-06T23:28:24.000107
Bruno
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I think I didn't explain myself
2017-09-06T23:28:46.000076
Lana
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❯ echo "a\nc\nb" | sort a b c
2017-09-06T23:28:52.000121
Bruno
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I want them not "sorted" but without splitting them among lines
2017-09-06T23:31:22.000068
Lana
pythondev_help_Lana_2017-09-06T23:31:22.000068
1,504,740,682.000068
92,390
pythondev
help
ok
2017-09-06T23:31:32.000015
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-09-06T23:31:32.000015
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pythondev
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can you paste that text in here?
2017-09-06T23:32:09.000063
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-09-06T23:32:09.000063
1,504,740,729.000063
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pythondev
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I'll use a lot of texts (actually, it's for a python project I'm working on), use any Bible verse, for example
2017-09-06T23:33:10.000024
Lana
pythondev_help_Lana_2017-09-06T23:33:10.000024
1,504,740,790.000024
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pythondev
help
yea just a sec
2017-09-06T23:35:25.000113
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-09-06T23:35:25.000113
1,504,740,925.000113
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pythondev
help
<@Charles> ``` ❯ echo "i am blah bla bla words just fill asdf asdf \ndoo" | tr " " "\n" | sort | tr "\n" " " am asdf asdf bla bla blah doo fill i just words ```
2017-09-06T23:37:06.000217
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-09-06T23:37:06.000217
1,504,741,026.000217
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pythondev
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the command `tr` replaces text.
2017-09-06T23:37:22.000078
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-09-06T23:37:22.000078
1,504,741,042.000078
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pythondev
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so make all spaces new lines. then simply `sort` them. then make new lines spaces
2017-09-06T23:37:46.000158
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-09-06T23:37:46.000158
1,504,741,066.000158
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pythondev
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but also note in this case, you will end up with a blank line. so you may want to make sure that may not happen.
2017-09-06T23:39:17.000069
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-09-06T23:39:17.000069
1,504,741,157.000069
92,398
pythondev
help
if possible
2017-09-06T23:39:23.000072
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-09-06T23:39:23.000072
1,504,741,163.000072
92,399
pythondev
help
Nope, not working :confused:
2017-09-06T23:42:11.000101
Lana
pythondev_help_Lana_2017-09-06T23:42:11.000101
1,504,741,331.000101
92,400
pythondev
help
are you on linux or osx?
2017-09-06T23:42:30.000072
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-09-06T23:42:30.000072
1,504,741,350.000072
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pythondev
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whats the error?
2017-09-06T23:42:34.000042
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-09-06T23:42:34.000042
1,504,741,354.000042
92,402