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programmingcirclejerk | GhostOfGlennPai | iab9ann | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>You know they're for real when they spell Java in all caps<|eor|><|sor|>JAVA: Just Ask Veteran Askers<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 28 |
programmingcirclejerk | Goheeca | iac6hkt | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>> Programmer's who do not know LISP do not know programming. Period
Wise words.<|eor|><|sor|>But does anyone ever truly *know* lisp?<|eor|><|sor|>L_sp knows your heart and you can trust it with all of your heart, but it is unknowable. Let me prove that by contradiction:
1. Let *
2. tm , w : Accepts(tm, w)
3. Let _ *
4. tm , w _ : Accepts(tm, w)
---
a. Let L _
b. tm : Accepts(tm, L) Accepts(tm, L)
c. Suppose L to be:
(set-macro-character #\ #'(lambda (stream char) (declare (ignore stream char)) (when (< 0 (random 2)) (loop))))
d. tm
For our blub minds L_sp is incomprehensible.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 28 |
programmingcirclejerk | alecStewart1 | iabdj2s | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>> Even today, APL is still one of my favorites to just "screw with someone's head" languages - if I can get someone to try it out. Dutch computer scientist Edsger Dijkstra said: "APL is a mistake, carried through to perfection. It is the language of the future for the programming techniques of the past: it creates a new generation of coding bums." Here's the ENTIRE Game of Life in, of course, one line of APL:
>
> life{1 .3 4=+/,1 0 1.1 0 1.}
I can't wait for the day we write whole CRUD apps in APL that total out to maybe 100 LOC.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 27 |
programmingcirclejerk | metaden | iaas0c1 | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>Germans are crafting and Bangaloreans are slaving.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 24 |
programmingcirclejerk | never_inline | iac3lyn | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>Bangalorean java programmer here and I have generics since 2005.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 23 |
programmingcirclejerk | cluster_ | iabau9s | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>What does JAVA stand for?<|eor|><|sor|>Japan Adult Video A<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 22 |
programmingcirclejerk | doomvox | iaboz50 | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>> Programmer's who do not know LISP do not know programming. Period
Wise words.<|eor|><|sor|>But does anyone ever truly *know* lisp?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 21 |
programmingcirclejerk | ProfessorSexyTime | iabe3mt | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>> Programmer's who do not know LISP do not know programming. Period
Wise words.<|eor|><|sor|>Based and Lisp-pilled.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 17 |
programmingcirclejerk | NiceTerm | iacnmv8 | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>You know they're for real when they spell Java in all caps<|eor|><|sor|>JAVA: Just Ask Veteran Askers<|eor|><|soopr|>Jobs Are Very Average<|eoopr|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 14 |
programmingcirclejerk | NiceTerm | iaddebf | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>> Even today, APL is still one of my favorites to just "screw with someone's head" languages - if I can get someone to try it out. Dutch computer scientist Edsger Dijkstra said: "APL is a mistake, carried through to perfection. It is the language of the future for the programming techniques of the past: it creates a new generation of coding bums." Here's the ENTIRE Game of Life in, of course, one line of APL:
>
> life{1 .3 4=+/,1 0 1.1 0 1.}
I can't wait for the day we write whole CRUD apps in APL that total out to maybe 100 LOC.<|eor|><|soopr|>> life{1 .3 4=+/,1 0 1.1 0 1.}
Flair pls!<|eoopr|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 13 |
programmingcirclejerk | doomvox | iabpc94 | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>Not as jerking as the bit above it:
"LISP is the winner, LISP is it, the language of languages where objects of objects of objects are just a lambda of lambda of lambda away so that you do not need to use a CLOS, just macros of macros of macros. It is my bread and butter everyday coding 'go-to' language -- (defun pun (intended)).
Programmer's who do not know LISP do not know programming. Period. End of Gestapo."<|eor|><|sor|>The trouble with Java's syntax is you can deal with it with just a decent templating system-- once you've got your infinite regress of macros of macros in place, the hoi polloi are shut out from messing up your code ("maintenance", yeah, right).<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 12 |
programmingcirclejerk | RepresentativeNo6029 | iab8g9n | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>Lol no LISP macro to write over and over and over<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 11 |
programmingcirclejerk | senj | iac7wm7 | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>/uj I legit could not handle the cringe, had to bail out at:
> Keep going kid and you will always own each and every world you make in code.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 10 |
programmingcirclejerk | rileyphone | iabrzss | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>Not as jerking as the bit above it:
"LISP is the winner, LISP is it, the language of languages where objects of objects of objects are just a lambda of lambda of lambda away so that you do not need to use a CLOS, just macros of macros of macros. It is my bread and butter everyday coding 'go-to' language -- (defun pun (intended)).
Programmer's who do not know LISP do not know programming. Period. End of Gestapo."<|eor|><|sor|>Where's the lie, tho?<|eor|><|sor|>Kent Pitman threw out the true beautiful core of Lisp, the FEXPR, in 1979 - big mistake!<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 9 |
programmingcirclejerk | EpicDaNoob | iab3mf1 | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>What does JAVA stand for?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 8 |
programmingcirclejerk | ackfoobar | iabcqre | <|sols|><|sot|>I do so pity all those poor schmucks in JAVA factories in Bangalore cutting and pasting the same JAVA over and over and over and over and over and over into the same program just to get some HTML out to a browser.<|eot|><|sol|>https://github.com/mame/quine-relay/issues/60#issuecomment-299429852<|eol|><|sor|>You know they're for real when they spell Java in all caps<|eor|><|sor|>real piece of shit, that is<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 8 |
programmingcirclejerk | afdsadf | uexxn2 | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 150 |
programmingcirclejerk | RedbloodJarvey | i6q8idp | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|sor|>>I wish the author had so many articles talking about the bad design decisions surrounding rust.
What I love about the Go community and the Rust community is that they both won't shut up about Rust.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 128 |
programmingcirclejerk | NonDairyYandere | i6qeqtk | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|sor|>>I wish the author had so many articles talking about the bad design decisions surrounding rust.
What I love about the Go community and the Rust community is that they both won't shut up about Rust.<|eor|><|sor|>Lock-free, wait-free, rent-free<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 95 |
programmingcirclejerk | ProfessorSexyTime | i6qbedb | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|sor|>> One thing I dislike most about Go is how its community seems to be invaded by websh*ts and "devops" with the most uninteresting of programs.
Based, but I'm skeptical about if this is manufactured jerk or not.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 65 |
programmingcirclejerk | NiceTerm | i6qi9k5 | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|sor|>Also in the thread:
> Then I switched to Rust for hobby projects and that feels so much more sane. And like Im actually getting smarter when I learn how it works.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 33 |
programmingcirclejerk | themagicalcake | i6rfpxy | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|sor|>Also in the thread:
> Then I switched to Rust for hobby projects and that feels so much more sane. And like Im actually getting smarter when I learn how it works.<|eor|><|sor|>coding in rust makes me euphoric<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 29 |
programmingcirclejerk | ha1zum | i6qzvfc | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|sor|>> One thing I dislike most about Go is how its community seems to be invaded by websh*ts and "devops" with the most uninteresting of programs.
Based, but I'm skeptical about if this is manufactured jerk or not.<|eor|><|sor|>Wasnt Go developed by google for their web APIs and devops?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 27 |
programmingcirclejerk | PizzaRollExpert | i6ri6zx | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|sor|>fasterthanlime, famous rust non-critic<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 24 |
programmingcirclejerk | neez_dutz_ | i6rwf60 | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|sor|>>Yeah what did DevOps do to you?
It made programming suck, that's what.<|eor|><|sor|>Yeah devops sucks ass. Especially for me a 10x developer who should not be bothered about production stability, that stuff is for losers anyway. I need to be able to ship my bugs to production on every git push and then just fix the bugs in production like a real 10xer should.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 18 |
programmingcirclejerk | G3Kappa | i6s4efn | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|sor|>Also in the thread:
> Then I switched to Rust for hobby projects and that feels so much more sane. And like Im actually getting smarter when I learn how it works.<|eor|><|sor|>Wait til they find out about lisp<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 10 |
programmingcirclejerk | RunItAndSee2021 | i6r9l6r | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|sor|>>I wish the author had so many articles talking about the bad design decisions surrounding rust.
What I love about the Go community and the Rust community is that they both won't shut up about Rust.<|eor|><|sor|>Lock-free, wait-free, rent-free<|eor|><|sor|><|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 8 |
programmingcirclejerk | nuunien | i6rtr81 | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|sor|>> One thing I dislike most about Go is how its community seems to be invaded by websh*ts and "devops" with the most uninteresting of programs.
Based, but I'm skeptical about if this is manufactured jerk or not.<|eor|><|sor|>It's not ;)<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 7 |
programmingcirclejerk | Vaglame | i6sc8yy | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|sor|>>I wish the author had so many articles talking about the bad design decisions surrounding rust.
What I love about the Go community and the Rust community is that they both won't shut up about Rust.<|eor|><|sor|>Rust is that toxic ex<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 6 |
programmingcirclejerk | nuunien | i6tas54 | <|sols|><|sot|>Sorry if this comes across as hateful, it is not my intention, but these articles seem very patronizing ... edit: yes, i did not read this article.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/uenpw2/lies_we_tell_ourselves_to_keep_using_golang/i6ovlr6/<|eol|><|sor|>>Yeah what did DevOps do to you?
It made programming suck, that's what.<|eor|><|sor|>Yeah devops sucks ass. Especially for me a 10x developer who should not be bothered about production stability, that stuff is for losers anyway. I need to be able to ship my bugs to production on every git push and then just fix the bugs in production like a real 10xer should.<|eor|><|sor|>I [don't write bugs](https://www.teamten.com/lawrence/programming/dont-write-bugs.html).<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 6 |
programmingcirclejerk | irqlnotdispatchlevel | tszh5b | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 151 |
programmingcirclejerk | OctagonClock | i2uq37r | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>>> blah, blah ... I hate ... blah blah
> Sounds like a you problem.
A jerker in the making.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 100 |
programmingcirclejerk | doctor-5000 | i2uxkea | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>> From my experience N squared stuff can balloon pretty quickly, even for N just in the hundreds.
No way. I dont believe it.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 86 |
programmingcirclejerk | defunkydrummer | i2ui5nn | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>Tomorrow, Rust users discover they aren't just bound to choose between "controlled crashes" and "undefined behavior".<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 77 |
programmingcirclejerk | irqlnotdispatchlevel | i2v2cz1 | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>> From my experience N squared stuff can balloon pretty quickly, even for N just in the hundreds.
No way. I dont believe it.<|eor|><|soopr|>Depends on how much you care about ivory tower shit like math.<|eoopr|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 60 |
programmingcirclejerk | RockstarArtisan | i2v1meq | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>/uj It's interesting that from the 2 possibilities:
* go does everything well
* generics bad
"go does everything well" has won out in the comments. Trully, there's no way Rob Pike would ever make a mistake.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 47 |
programmingcirclejerk | doctor-5000 | i2v2j1v | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>> From my experience N squared stuff can balloon pretty quickly, even for N just in the hundreds.
No way. I dont believe it.<|eor|><|soopr|>Depends on how much you care about ivory tower shit like math.<|eoopr|><|sor|>I just broke out my old graphing calculator. Holy shit you guys are never gonna believe this.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 44 |
programmingcirclejerk | Zlodo2 | i2upjhk | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>Tomorrow, Rust users discover they aren't just bound to choose between "controlled crashes" and "undefined behavior".<|eor|><|sor|>day after that, we all move back to Visual Basic.
Checkmate<|eor|><|sor|>"on error resume next" is the best error management<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 41 |
programmingcirclejerk | pysk00l | i2uob5n | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>Tomorrow, Rust users discover they aren't just bound to choose between "controlled crashes" and "undefined behavior".<|eor|><|sor|>day after that, we all move back to Visual Basic.
Checkmate<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 38 |
programmingcirclejerk | irqlnotdispatchlevel | i2v3jtn | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>/uj It's interesting that from the 2 possibilities:
* go does everything well
* generics bad
"go does everything well" has won out in the comments. Trully, there's no way Rob Pike would ever make a mistake.<|eor|><|soopr|>> In the current implementation of Generics in 1.18, every runtime invocation of a generic function will transparently receive as its first argument a static dictionary with metadata about the arguments being passed to the function.
Only Go can implement generics via runtime type checks. Truly the best implementation out there.
/uj not quite, but still.<|eoopr|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 38 |
programmingcirclejerk | CallMeAnanda | i2ved39 | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>> From my experience N squared stuff can balloon pretty quickly, even for N just in the hundreds.
No way. I dont believe it.<|eor|><|sor|>OP is obviously shilling for big leetcode.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 31 |
programmingcirclejerk | defunkydrummer | i2uz7we | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>Tomorrow, Rust users discover they aren't just bound to choose between "controlled crashes" and "undefined behavior".<|eor|><|sor|>/uj are you talking about some Erlang-type stuff?<|eor|><|sor|>> are you talking about some Erlang-type stuff?
Erlang? Do i look like a switchboard operator?
/uj i'm talking about [rustacean dillemas](https://www.reddit.com/r/programmingcirclejerk/comments/tptsdo/comment/i2hzljb/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 28 |
programmingcirclejerk | axalon900 | i2xogpd | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>/uj It's interesting that from the 2 possibilities:
* go does everything well
* generics bad
"go does everything well" has won out in the comments. Trully, there's no way Rob Pike would ever make a mistake.<|eor|><|soopr|>> In the current implementation of Generics in 1.18, every runtime invocation of a generic function will transparently receive as its first argument a static dictionary with metadata about the arguments being passed to the function.
Only Go can implement generics via runtime type checks. Truly the best implementation out there.
/uj not quite, but still.<|eoopr|><|sor|>It's like vtables, but worse<|eor|><|sor|>They were 90% of the way to deciding on stenciling before someone ran into the conference room, drenched in sweat, and informed the Commander that this is what C++ templates do, so they switched to dictionaries. But another person ran in with the realization that it was similar to Javas type erased generics, and despair began to take form. Then, one enlightened gentlesir said perhaps the truth is in the middle, and lo, they resolved to implement a mix of them. The binary size efficiency of C++ with the runtime performance of Java. Nobody ran in saying thats how <insert established language> did it, and so it was done.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 27 |
programmingcirclejerk | Lich_Hegemon | i2wbg19 | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>Tomorrow, Rust users discover they aren't just bound to choose between "controlled crashes" and "undefined behavior".<|eor|><|sor|>day after that, we all move back to Visual Basic.
Checkmate<|eor|><|sor|>"on error resume next" is the best error management<|eor|><|sor|>I prefer C's error model: "On error once, check for... check for errno. On erroryou can't get error again"<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 21 |
programmingcirclejerk | pareidolist | i2w6b8z | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>/uj It's interesting that from the 2 possibilities:
* go does everything well
* generics bad
"go does everything well" has won out in the comments. Trully, there's no way Rob Pike would ever make a mistake.<|eor|><|soopr|>> In the current implementation of Generics in 1.18, every runtime invocation of a generic function will transparently receive as its first argument a static dictionary with metadata about the arguments being passed to the function.
Only Go can implement generics via runtime type checks. Truly the best implementation out there.
/uj not quite, but still.<|eoopr|><|sor|>It's like vtables, but worse<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 19 |
programmingcirclejerk | fp_weenie | i2uxnku | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>> this is an irrelevant fact
lel<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 17 |
programmingcirclejerk | jwezorek | i2uxclw | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>Tomorrow, Rust users discover they aren't just bound to choose between "controlled crashes" and "undefined behavior".<|eor|><|sor|>Tomorrow Rust users discover that shared mutable state is often not that big of a deal.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 17 |
programmingcirclejerk | CocktailPerson | i2w28lg | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>Tomorrow, Rust users discover they aren't just bound to choose between "controlled crashes" and "undefined behavior".<|eor|><|sor|>/uj are you talking about some Erlang-type stuff?<|eor|><|sor|>> are you talking about some Erlang-type stuff?
Erlang? Do i look like a switchboard operator?
/uj i'm talking about [rustacean dillemas](https://www.reddit.com/r/programmingcirclejerk/comments/tptsdo/comment/i2hzljb/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)<|eor|><|sor|>>Do i look like a switchboard operator?
Isn't that basically what a mod is?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 12 |
programmingcirclejerk | ThatNetGuy | i2vaaq3 | <|sols|><|sot|>Today, Go users discover computer science.<|eot|><|sol|>https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/tsac4z/generics_can_make_your_go_code_slower/i2qq3js/?context=3<|eol|><|sor|>> From my experience N squared stuff can balloon pretty quickly, even for N just in the hundreds.
No way. I dont believe it.<|eor|><|soopr|>Depends on how much you care about ivory tower shit like math.<|eoopr|><|sor|>I just broke out my old graphing calculator. Holy shit you guys are never gonna believe this.<|eor|><|sor|>the numbers, what do they mean?!<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 10 |
programmingcirclejerk | handvat | td7s1i | <|sols|><|sot|>Sometimes I wake up screaming. Famous figures are gathered in the nightmare, Steve Bourne, Larry Wall, the whole of the ANSI C committee. They're just standing there, waiting, but the truely terrifying thing is what they carry in their hands []<|eot|><|sol|>https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-support/boost/boost.inc?id=f4dbdb9774eb61a71289fe91b017b4caf9c34b16#n115<|eol|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 148 |
programmingcirclejerk | corona-info | i0hzqte | <|sols|><|sot|>Sometimes I wake up screaming. Famous figures are gathered in the nightmare, Steve Bourne, Larry Wall, the whole of the ANSI C committee. They're just standing there, waiting, but the truely terrifying thing is what they carry in their hands []<|eot|><|sol|>https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-support/boost/boost.inc?id=f4dbdb9774eb61a71289fe91b017b4caf9c34b16#n115<|eol|><|sor|>lmao this is a comment in source code even better<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 62 |
programmingcirclejerk | handvat | i0hs3lq | <|sols|><|sot|>Sometimes I wake up screaming. Famous figures are gathered in the nightmare, Steve Bourne, Larry Wall, the whole of the ANSI C committee. They're just standing there, waiting, but the truely terrifying thing is what they carry in their hands []<|eot|><|sol|>https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-support/boost/boost.inc?id=f4dbdb9774eb61a71289fe91b017b4caf9c34b16#n115<|eol|><|soopr|>[It has been documented that C++ has been making people go insane since at least 2005](https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded/commit/?id=90ce360afeabe9d5477e11b958e88024a70deda3)<|eoopr|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 45 |
programmingcirclejerk | git_commit_-m_sudoku | i0iko4r | <|sols|><|sot|>Sometimes I wake up screaming. Famous figures are gathered in the nightmare, Steve Bourne, Larry Wall, the whole of the ANSI C committee. They're just standing there, waiting, but the truely terrifying thing is what they carry in their hands []<|eot|><|sol|>https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-support/boost/boost.inc?id=f4dbdb9774eb61a71289fe91b017b4caf9c34b16#n115<|eol|><|sor|>lmao this is a comment in source code even better<|eor|><|sor|>We finally get to live up to the "programming" part of our name.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 28 |
programmingcirclejerk | dumbass_laundry | i0i3fzz | <|sols|><|sot|>Sometimes I wake up screaming. Famous figures are gathered in the nightmare, Steve Bourne, Larry Wall, the whole of the ANSI C committee. They're just standing there, waiting, but the truely terrifying thing is what they carry in their hands []<|eot|><|sol|>https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-support/boost/boost.inc?id=f4dbdb9774eb61a71289fe91b017b4caf9c34b16#n115<|eol|><|sor|>I too wake up screaming, having nightmares of a world where Haskel programmers have ample job opportunities. Just thinking about it makes me shudder in fear.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 25 |
programmingcirclejerk | ComfortablyBalanced | i0jcuf8 | <|sols|><|sot|>Sometimes I wake up screaming. Famous figures are gathered in the nightmare, Steve Bourne, Larry Wall, the whole of the ANSI C committee. They're just standing there, waiting, but the truely terrifying thing is what they carry in their hands []<|eot|><|sol|>https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-support/boost/boost.inc?id=f4dbdb9774eb61a71289fe91b017b4caf9c34b16#n115<|eol|><|soopr|>[It has been documented that C++ has been making people go insane since at least 2005](https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded/commit/?id=90ce360afeabe9d5477e11b958e88024a70deda3)<|eoopr|><|sor|>And before that in the 90s, [C](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS) started to make [people](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_A._Davis) insane.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 9 |
programmingcirclejerk | wzdd | i0lnwo8 | <|sols|><|sot|>Sometimes I wake up screaming. Famous figures are gathered in the nightmare, Steve Bourne, Larry Wall, the whole of the ANSI C committee. They're just standing there, waiting, but the truely terrifying thing is what they carry in their hands []<|eot|><|sol|>https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-support/boost/boost.inc?id=f4dbdb9774eb61a71289fe91b017b4caf9c34b16#n115<|eol|><|sor|>The syntax highlighting really ramps up the horror.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 6 |
programmingcirclejerk | No_Character_8662 | i0jlb2b | <|sols|><|sot|>Sometimes I wake up screaming. Famous figures are gathered in the nightmare, Steve Bourne, Larry Wall, the whole of the ANSI C committee. They're just standing there, waiting, but the truely terrifying thing is what they carry in their hands []<|eot|><|sol|>https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/tree/meta/recipes-support/boost/boost.inc?id=f4dbdb9774eb61a71289fe91b017b4caf9c34b16#n115<|eol|><|sor|>This isn't really on point, but I once dreamt that German scientist in hidden mountain laboratories we're attempting to clone David Hasselhoff. Woke up scared<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 5 |
programmingcirclejerk | HorstKugel | mztvap | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 151 |
programmingcirclejerk | qiwi | gw30bj2 | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>I've learned one thinkg from being a Principal Cloud Architecture Solutions Manager.
If I were to have a child today, he would fully cloud based. Lower TCO. He would simply be passed around between a series of strangers' houses. Such repeated specialists in child rearing are surely more likely to achieve a better result than an amateur parent.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 82 |
programmingcirclejerk | BufferUnderpants | gw30xm6 | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>Indeed, owning storage is going to be a privilege for the startup running gentry and their retinue, commoners will have to content themselves with leasing their lord's disks and bandwidth to access the data they produce for them.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 66 |
programmingcirclejerk | ProgVal | gw32k9i | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>Whats a computer<|eor|><|sor|>It's like a tablet but for old people<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 57 |
programmingcirclejerk | ProgVal | gw321nn | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>The future is made of [SQLite databases](https://sqlite.org/appfileformat.html) that you [share via S3](https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/API/sigv4-authentication-HTTPPOST.html)<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 47 |
programmingcirclejerk | enodragon1 | gw3gwaw | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>where's the jerk? For the average person, files are not nearly as relevant as they were even 10 years ago<|eor|><|sor|>/uj
Almost every single thing on your computer is a file.
Just because Explorer or Finder or whatever hides file extensions by default doesnt mean they arent there.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 45 |
programmingcirclejerk | hnerixh | gw3qvn3 | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>The future is made of [SQLite databases](https://sqlite.org/appfileformat.html) that you [share via S3](https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/API/sigv4-authentication-HTTPPOST.html)<|eor|><|sor|> PRAGMA UNJERK;
SQLite is amazing.
PRAGMA REJERK;
SQLite isn't webscale enough, check out etcd.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 32 |
programmingcirclejerk | duckbill_principate | gw3gyi8 | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>in the future everything will be **streams**<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 31 |
programmingcirclejerk | Evinceo | gw3lsy8 | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>POV: You are an iPad OS evangelist<|eor|><|sor|>or POV: You're horrified by the mobile future but you can't stop it<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 30 |
programmingcirclejerk | duckbill_principate | gw4hc48 | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>Indeed, owning storage is going to be a privilege for the startup running gentry and their retinue, commoners will have to content themselves with leasing their lord's disks and bandwidth to access the data they produce for them.<|eor|><|sor|>any sufficiently advanced jerk is indistinguishable from reality<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 30 |
programmingcirclejerk | enodragon1 | gw3o1wq | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>where's the jerk? For the average person, files are not nearly as relevant as they were even 10 years ago<|eor|><|sor|>/uj
Almost every single thing on your computer is a file.
Just because Explorer or Finder or whatever hides file extensions by default doesnt mean they arent there.<|eor|><|sor|>Okay but that doesn't mean people are actively aware of them. The operating system hides the details of device drivers, that doesn't mean it's not there<|eor|><|sor|>Would you describe device drivers as going the way of the floppy disk? No - floppy disks died and were replaced with hard disks and then SSDs. Drivers are staying with us for the foreseeable future, presumably pretty much forever. Likewise for files.
Also, people interact with files directly whenever they make a document, or a presentation, or a spreadsheet, or a note. Or run a program. Yes, in the case of programs this is getting more obscured because apps seem less like files, but its always going to be pretty bleeding obvious when it comes to a Word document.
People arent idiots. They know what files are.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 30 |
programmingcirclejerk | rman-exe | gw3s503 | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>Whats a computer<|eor|><|sor|>It's like a tablet but for old people<|eor|><|sor|>whats a tablet? elon just held me down, some wires went in my head, now i dream facebook and twitter 24/7<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 25 |
programmingcirclejerk | lampshadish2 | gw3serz | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>Is a file kind of like an event in a Kafka topic? Im a bit confused.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 24 |
programmingcirclejerk | BillyIII | gw3tr74 | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>The future is made of [SQLite databases](https://sqlite.org/appfileformat.html) that you [share via S3](https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/API/sigv4-authentication-HTTPPOST.html)<|eor|><|sor|>Imagine storing your electron app as a docker image inside an SQLite database served over S3.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 24 |
programmingcirclejerk | BufferUnderpants | gw47eb8 | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>Indeed, owning storage is going to be a privilege for the startup running gentry and their retinue, commoners will have to content themselves with leasing their lord's disks and bandwidth to access the data they produce for them.<|eor|><|sor|>Mine is already serverless.
Cold starts, high latency and invoked only when needed<|eor|><|sor|>Sounds like my last marriage<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 21 |
programmingcirclejerk | ProfessorSexyTime | gw43gd4 | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>> the next floppy disks
Files: store data
Floppy disks: store data
Therefore: `files === floppy disks`
Can't wait for files to be like NVMe SSDs. Is that coming in the release of Files 2.0?<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 20 |
programmingcirclejerk | ProgVal | gw3upa2 | <|sols|><|sot|>Files (.psd, .docx, etc) are almost the next floppy disks. Your kids are going to wonder what the heck "files" were.<|eot|><|sol|>https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1385382448217739265?s=19<|eol|><|sor|>The future is made of [SQLite databases](https://sqlite.org/appfileformat.html) that you [share via S3](https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/API/sigv4-authentication-HTTPPOST.html)<|eor|><|sor|>Imagine storing your electron app as a docker image inside an SQLite database served over S3.<|eor|><|sor|>-1 not enough webassembly<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 20 |
programmingcirclejerk | OctagonClock | kbqtfd | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 147 |
programmingcirclejerk | OctagonClock | gfjf2hk | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|soopr|>Entire post and also thread is full of insufferable anecdotes. Read at your own peril.<|eoopr|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 86 |
programmingcirclejerk | HINDBRAIN | gfjv1ly | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|soopr|>Entire post and also thread is full of insufferable anecdotes. Read at your own peril.<|eoopr|><|sor|>Vimmers thinking all that IDEs provide is a GUI and dumb completion.<|eor|><|sor|>These are always fascinating, like a window into the minds of primitive island people that have never come into contact with civilisation, trading tips on how you can speed up your bartering by also using toes to count your seashells.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 80 |
programmingcirclejerk | camelCaseIsWebScale | gfjj76i | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|soopr|>Entire post and also thread is full of insufferable anecdotes. Read at your own peril.<|eoopr|><|sor|>Vimmers thinking all that IDEs provide is a GUI and dumb completion.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 74 |
programmingcirclejerk | Snakeyb | gfk7vdn | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|sor|>IDEs are like using steroids in sport. It's unfair and they should be banned. Don't even get me started on stackoverflow.<|eor|><|sor|>/uj
StackOverflow is what is wrong with our industry.<|eor|><|sor|>StackOverflow is ~~what is wrong with~~ our industry.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 54 |
programmingcirclejerk | muntaxitome | gfjnwsd | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|sor|>IDEs are like using steroids in sport. It's unfair and they should be banned. Don't even get me started on stackoverflow.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 49 |
programmingcirclejerk | Schmittfried | gfkr7cd | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|sor|>>This winds up not being a big deal if you use grep a lot because you'll tend toward greppable names.
Why is it that gnulords always let themselves get limited by their own tools while simultaneously calling their workflow more flexible and independent?
Anything can be flexible/platform-independent/whatever if youre willing to commit to the lowest common denominator.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 35 |
programmingcirclejerk | camelCaseIsWebScale | gfjy3tm | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|sor|>In IDE you almost always only press downwards button to select completions.
In Unix you almost always only press upwards button to scroll through previous commands.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 29 |
programmingcirclejerk | OctagonClock | gfk0z3a | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|sor|>/uj No jerk here. Read the full message.<|eor|><|soopr|>found the linked comment OP<|eoopr|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 25 |
programmingcirclejerk | lorslara2000 | gfjozav | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|sor|>IDEs are like using steroids in sport. It's unfair and they should be banned. Don't even get me started on stackoverflow.<|eor|><|sor|>/uj
StackOverflow is what is wrong with our industry.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 24 |
programmingcirclejerk | Infernio | gfl0q11 | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|sor|>IDEs are like using steroids in sport. It's unfair and they should be banned. Don't even get me started on stackoverflow.<|eor|><|sor|>/uj
StackOverflow is what is wrong with our industry.<|eor|><|sor|>/uj No, its the ancient shell tools due to people from POSIX not updating the standard to stuff other than C compilers with shells.
Or fixing problems with the standard.
Or at least stating what things are expected to move away from the C-language lockin.<|eor|><|sor|>No, its ~~the ancient shell tools due to people from POSIX not updating the standard to stuff other than~~ C ~~compilers with shells. Or fixing problems with the standard.~~<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 22 |
programmingcirclejerk | vicarofyanks | gfm0cb3 | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|sor|>The comments on the post itself are like short glimpses of the internal monologue of vimers.
> 29 year vi and vim user
>> Thanks for sharing. I feel better now.
#
> You ever thought of a starting a cult? I'd probably join.
#
> I never figured why vim kept to think humans had only one finger
> And, honestly, what's a life without M-x butterfly?
That's because vim is for 1xers. I, a 10xer, use 10% more fingers.
> Do people really use nano and pico? Hah.
Yeah, that part sounds false.
> Most importantly, vi uses the same cursor movement keys as rogue/hack/nethack, so all parts of your life can be seamlessly integrated.
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> Do they have that shirt [with the hjkl keys] in Vim bindings remapped to be more dvorak friendly?
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> Sound like an Islamic material.
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> I also found the price a bit steep [of VimEdu] and contacted the author about it. He explained to me that the pricing was US-centric where, apparently, $99 (iirc) was an acceptable price for a tool like this. He gave me the student price when I explained the conversion rate to ZAR. Upgrades come in cheaper -- your license gives you support and upgrades for, 2 or 3 years, after which you can pay $20 to extend the upgrade cycle.
Wow, I never thought i would have to pay to use vim.
> If EMACS is so bad, and VIM so perfect, why is EMACS the default BASH shell mode?
How do you feel after destroying the entire vim community?<|eor|><|sor|>> > Most importantly, vi uses the same cursor movement keys as rogue/hack/nethack, so all parts of your life can be seamlessly integrated
Become a 10xer overnight by remapping your editor to the PS5 controller!<|eor|><|sor|>> PS5 controller
Proprietary hardware is cringe. You can get all of the same functionality out of stripped copper wiring and an unripe potato if you're willing to not be a lazy little weasel.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 17 |
programmingcirclejerk | Kirkleon_ | gflsivt | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|soopr|>Entire post and also thread is full of insufferable anecdotes. Read at your own peril.<|eoopr|><|sor|>Vimmers thinking all that IDEs provide is a GUI and dumb completion.<|eor|><|sor|>I for one think if you aren't renaming variables by piping your source code to sed you are a fake ~~gamer~~ programmer<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 15 |
programmingcirclejerk | koNNor_kincaid | gfk7pyr | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|soopr|>Entire post and also thread is full of insufferable anecdotes. Read at your own peril.<|eoopr|><|sor|>Vimmers thinking all that IDEs provide is a GUI and dumb completion.<|eor|><|sor|>I am not a professional software developer but I find Vim the most well suited stuff for competitive programming.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 15 |
programmingcirclejerk | railwayrookie | gflab6v | <|sols|><|sot|>I had to hold back a laugh when he said: "Oh my God! Linux IS your IDE!"<|eot|><|sol|>https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25397822<|eol|><|sor|>> I have .. as an alias for cd ..
lol using bashrc hacks to implement subset of basic functionality offered by any proper shell
I use zsh btw<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 14 |
programmingcirclejerk | maple3142 | j7ad0u | <|sols|><|sot|>I consider debuggers to be a drug -- an addiction. Programmers can get into the horrible habbit of depending on the debugger instead of on their brain.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=23476<|eol|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 149 |
programmingcirclejerk | etaionshrd | g84jlom | <|sols|><|sot|>I consider debuggers to be a drug -- an addiction. Programmers can get into the horrible habbit of depending on the debugger instead of on their brain.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=23476<|eol|><|sor|>[deleted]<|eor|><|sor|>I had a friend who used debuggers once. Said it helped them be productive. Figured Id try itthis is Silicon Valley, how many engineers *havent* experimented with productivity boosters? The first one was free, of coursethe website I got it from had something about GNU (which I assume is some sort of hippie commune) and I found my first segfault. It felt so good. I promised myself Id only use it when necessary.
Weeks later, I was fixing something and was frustrated, and in a moment of weakness instead of adding a print statement like I usually do I used a breakpoint. I didnt *need* to but I was just so tired. I started using it more often. Build taking too long? Id start running expressions in the debugger to test my fixes. I deleted all my `if (DEBUG)` macros and replaced them with a script that placed conditional breakpoints. Friends, family, coworkers began to notice. I started to get articles about TDD and cyclomatic complexity. It helped for a while, but within months I was way past that. I started injecting `0xc3`s straight into my instruction stream. I was reading the `ptrace(2)` page day and night. I spent hours at work writing LLDB scripts, and I was eventually fired. I started running out of resources. I started borrowing from other processes so I could get DWARF symbols loaded.
I was out of software targets to debug, and desperate as I now know any debugger-addled engineer could be. The withdrawal was huge. I tried to `kill(2)` myself multiple times. In sheer desperation I ripped off the casing of the nearest appliance and located the debug header. I clumsily soldered on some leads and connected it to OpenOCD. In my rush I grabbed GDB multiarcha huge mistake. I felt the world go black as the sole sane part of my brain realized I had created a deadly mix of architectures and overdosed.
I was supremely lucky that I was able to get help in time. These days I write JavaScript so I cant be tempted and give conference talks about my experiences. But this could be you, and it doesnt even take much. Never use a debugger: youll regret it.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 66 |
programmingcirclejerk | daanfs | g83mm2x | <|sols|><|sot|>I consider debuggers to be a drug -- an addiction. Programmers can get into the horrible habbit of depending on the debugger instead of on their brain.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=23476<|eol|><|sor|>17 years later this still holds true. People have yet to realize that they just need to write correct code.<|eor|><|sor|>> Since I started using Test Driven Development in 1999, I have not found a serious use for a debugger.
Just imagine what this guy is capable of when he finds out he can use a debugger on his unit tests.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 43 |
programmingcirclejerk | relok123 | g8450r4 | <|sols|><|sot|>I consider debuggers to be a drug -- an addiction. Programmers can get into the horrible habbit of depending on the debugger instead of on their brain.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=23476<|eol|><|sor|>I use a text editor, I don't need that BLOAT of an IDE killing my computer, I see all the variables in my head or just use print.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 35 |
programmingcirclejerk | randomfloridaman | g848y9n | <|sols|><|sot|>I consider debuggers to be a drug -- an addiction. Programmers can get into the horrible habbit of depending on the debugger instead of on their brain.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=23476<|eol|><|sor|>Just pointing out that one can't spell "debuggers" without "drugs"<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 24 |
programmingcirclejerk | vfxGer | g84mtjs | <|sols|><|sot|>I consider debuggers to be a drug -- an addiction. Programmers can get into the horrible habbit of depending on the debugger instead of on their brain.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=23476<|eol|><|sor|>I use a text editor, I don't need that BLOAT of an IDE killing my computer, I see all the variables in my head or just use print.<|eor|><|sor|>Look at this guy with his text editor, you sound like a meth addict who would kill his own granny for the next hit. I use punch cards and my big brain.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 20 |
programmingcirclejerk | t0mRiddl3 | g84xkrk | <|sols|><|sot|>I consider debuggers to be a drug -- an addiction. Programmers can get into the horrible habbit of depending on the debugger instead of on their brain.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=23476<|eol|><|sor|>"I don't know how to use a debugger"-Uncle Bob<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 19 |
programmingcirclejerk | zetaconvex | g84zlv6 | <|sols|><|sot|>I consider debuggers to be a drug -- an addiction. Programmers can get into the horrible habbit of depending on the debugger instead of on their brain.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=23476<|eol|><|sor|>Debuggers are bad, mkay.
They're for amateurs, anyway. Real programmers use printf statements.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 13 |
programmingcirclejerk | ProfessorSexyTime | g85dkj4 | <|sols|><|sot|>I consider debuggers to be a drug -- an addiction. Programmers can get into the horrible habbit of depending on the debugger instead of on their brain.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=23476<|eol|><|sor|>[deleted]<|eor|><|sor|>Debuggers are destroying the nuclear family.<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 12 |
programmingcirclejerk | _devilduck | g84opqi | <|sols|><|sot|>I consider debuggers to be a drug -- an addiction. Programmers can get into the horrible habbit of depending on the debugger instead of on their brain.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=23476<|eol|><|sor|>debugger? or bedrugger. really make s you think<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 10 |
programmingcirclejerk | luigi_xp | g84rrgx | <|sols|><|sot|>I consider debuggers to be a drug -- an addiction. Programmers can get into the horrible habbit of depending on the debugger instead of on their brain.<|eot|><|sol|>https://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=23476<|eol|><|sor|>It had to be Uncle Bob, obviously<|eor|><|eols|><|endoftext|> | 10 |
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