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Yeah, look, I'm not saying money is inherently more fulfilling. I think just OG's view of it is flawed because they tell you, "1 million dollars in five years is what most debaters would get." Well, I assume most of the world is not debaters. I, personally. |
</ow> |
<pm> |
Okay. So the motion for the house is this house regrets the decline of tightly integrated families. I'm going to do a bit of work sort of explaining what this means and what we think the unique changes. And I'm going to tell you sort of why we think our world is better than the world. Like, the world that we could have... |
So when we say tightly integrated, right, in terms of a family, what we understand this to mean is essentially sort of like families that, where the default is sort of that you look after each other and that you're sort of less independent of each other, right? So this means that, you know, families where there is lik... |
<poi> |
Doesn't the existence of tightly integrated families create huge taboos for other household structures such as single mothers? |
</poi> |
um no, we don't think so because of the fact that like you know, those those single mothers like they ended up becoming single mothers through like, no fault of their own right and we think that like you know, those single mothers can be supported by like other people within their families such as like their grandparen... |
things that you might need financially or provides you a roof over your head, when you need it. We think this is critically important, especially when you are turning the clock from childhood to adulthood or making transitions in your life to different phases, say for instance you get married or you're saving for a ho... |
of people who are like more elderly, right, you know, they're less likely to feel sort of depressed and disconnected from their family because of the fact that, you know, that their family just thought, you know, the norm was just that you had this independence and they like sort of, you know, you don't sort of go and... |
when you don't have a, when you exist outside of a tightly integrated family unit. And the second is freedom and self-actualization and expectations to contribute back. And then going over all of them. So I answered the POI about how this might affect single mothers. We think that if your husband is unable to care for... |
within the family and you might have to break off from that family, you might have to break off from one part of the family. We don't think this is necessarily going to be so bad for those people because of the fact that when you choose to do this, you already know what you are opting into, you're very sure of your ch... |
families are quite complicated. So for instance, there might be like one part of a family that is sort of not talking to like that part of the family, but you still have like another part of the family that is willing to support you as well. And we think that it's like important that when you make those big choices, t... |
if you choose not to go to the big city and you choose to save with your local family because you see those things are important and valuable to you. We think that you unlock self-actualization in those ways. There are so many benefits that come with having the support of someone else behind you. My partner is going t... |
</pm> |
<lo> |
three things in this speech. One, i talk about why individuals are much better off uh because of this trend. Two, I'm going to talk about why children are better socialized and have better opportunities under our world and three, i'm going to talk about |
alternative family structures but before that, just a bit of rebuttal on this idea of old people are screwed because of the decline of traditional family units. I would note two things. One, because in the status quo that is the site that we are supporting old people know that their families are going to be broken down... |
So there are ways to mitigate this. I don't think this is an important part of this debate. Now, in terms of individuals, I just want to characterize how conditional family units operate, why tightly knit units are bad. I think the first note over here is about power. And I think power is concentrated because of three... |
The second thing I want to note is financial capacity. The people who bring in money to the family are the people who have more say. And third thing I want to know is all of this intersects with gender. That is to say that male patriarchs are likely to have more power within tight-ended families. Why is this then bad ... |
I think one reason for why people move abroad or move to a separate city is oftentimes in search of jobs. Why are jobs then crucial? I think one key mechanism here is the fact of financial independence. That is to say that oftentimes if you move away, have your own job, have your own means of, means of earning, you ar... |
I think distance gives you lots of room to negotiate things for yourself and live the life that you want to live. I think you have more opportunities in our world because you do not have to face constant scrutiny by the family or in the worst kinds of instances, financial blackmail. The fact that you are away from you... |
relationships where perhaps you share things like household responsibilities and caring responsibilities. And I want to spend some time on caring responsibilities, right? Because in tightly knit family units, the responsibility of women oftentimes is not just to provide emotional labor and sustain their husbands, it i... |
</lo> |
<dpm> |
okay, so first a small rebuttal towards our case before, I have two substantive response so I guess with that place so. So first I think like they said that like it would be better because they're all people can care more about young children because they expect that in the future like if they do not care enough the ch... |
the old people have a lot of care towards the children, even life spending, sacrifice their finances with their savings for a very long time for their children to be able to get into college in the state side or outside. I think that because the normal relation, it means that old people will not let the children, but ... |
It means that those children, you can easily get away. It's just like all the kind of benefit that the grandparents give them. It means that now, in the old side, there could be lots of connections, like less incentive for old people to care about younger children, and also less incentive for young children to care ab... |
this kind of production in integrated families, structurally, hamper families, and secondly, why on our side of the house there can be much that they will be able to foster the work of social change compared to our side. Okay, so with the first sentence of why it is very harmful for poor families, I think that basical... |
It means that, first of all, we see when some old people in families have some kind of cultural, it's less the least that actually going to go directly to support for them, and maybe just spend a little bit money to support for that grandparents to stay in the hospital. It's just that it means that old people maybe su... |
must less watching or happy life, right. It's already behind them. But it's a second place to see that it also harm to the children to reduction in investment towards children. Because we see, for instance, I think it's less impactful for middle class or rich families, but actually for poor families. Now if the parent... |
higher risk for season because they need to own like get the debt, a very high debt, and try to buy it later, which means that there are certain places where they could never be able to make if they do not get a workshop or they sacrifice and not go to college at home and take time to a low wage job. It means that for... |
I think that those cases only restrict to the kind of family which maybe rich family who people like women have advantages, and can stay and like keep growing up the children by their own because like they need to have a lot of support from their families or have a lot of money to do that before. It has to be people w... |
They are able to talk with their parents. They need to let, they have much more incentive to change the mindset of parents in that case to make themselves look good. And the parents now also understand a lot because the stake is much higher. They might more likely to change their views on LGBT or women getting jobs or... |
Yeah, that not just a money to need to get a job that takes like that. Of course, what a money to support for entity rights in the case of a clearly see that this benefit of doing so or they understand what every team or so in outside the house at least more people understand about those minority issue rather than the... |
</dpm> |
<dlo> |
The structure of this particular speech is fairly simple. And firstly, when we look at macro impacts, these are impacts which I impinge on every member of the family, then I'm going to look at |
the micro specific people and specific communities which are impacted. Before that, I just want to make two comments. I think debate is a tendency to debatify very human motions and I just want to forward to a human observations of what I think the integrated families look like, which aren't based on like primary soci... |
And this is especially true for people who tend to be on the wrong side of the age and gender hierarchy. In this case, female partners and children. This has nothing to do with the argumentation in the debate. I just think it's a terrible thing that happens in tightly integrated family generally. Secondly, just like a... |
is a human being. Think about a kid who grows up who barely gets to see his mother. Sometimes he's his aunt, sometimes he's his uncle, and then sometimes he's his elder cousin, right? Like, again, in a debate sense, yes, children are cared for by pooling resources. But in a very human sense, it's a very terrible exper... |
the economy today is globalized, it is agile, it is flexible. The labor market has to respond appropriately and be flagile, flexible and agile English. What that means then is that you should be allowed to move wherever the economy takes you. This is the difference, for instance, between the difficult decision of comi... |
to entry within these situations they make it difficult for you to leave because of the literal definitional meaning of a tightly integrated family which is that they want you to stay back. Note, that if you do take these degrees and scale yourself if you do get these jobs then this leads to economic empowerment for e... |
and affirm your opinion in a way that you can't in their work. So if anything, cultures and models stagnate between the tightly integrated families and are much more open to progress and evolution in our world. The final macro claim, I'm going to discuss is to do with care, and they often argue that caring for the eld... |
One, the reason that tightly integrated families have declined, for instance, in the United States, but not for instance, in Pakistan, is because something was happening there called the socialization of care. What that strange difficult phrase means is that now you have state-based daycares. Now you have state-based ... |
This means that they're forgetting the reason this trend happened in the first place, which is that other people are already fulfilling the role that they want families to fulfill for some reason. Secondly, within care, also realize that this is a bit disingenuous to our side, right? Because we can have communal care ... |
<poi> |
So recognize the comparative. There's two families with patriarchs in it. One's a nuclear family, one's a larger family. But within that family where you have one patriarch, you have no one else to really access who can talk sense into the patriarch. As opposed to a larger family, where you have like aunts, uncles, gra... |
</poi> |
the problem there is that you have patriarchs on both sides. In our world, patriarchs are reaffirmed by all the aunts and uncles. In your world patriarchs are reaffirmed by the two or three other people at the dinner table. Patriarchs are reformed on either side, I completely agree with you, I'm just saying that they ... |
</dlo> |
<mg> |
Right off the bat on CG, I want to do a couple things. The first thing I want to differentiate ourselves very clearly from OG, which is our case on CG will be why it is that families themselves are the most unique actor when it comes to things like, for example, caring for your children or being |
able to access that pool of resources in a different way. Because I think I want to engage right off the bat with what OO said about let's take them at their best. Let's assume that there are things like a shift in the world where you have like more state-sponsored care facilities where it's like you're shifting the w... |
are passing down different cultural things that you otherwise, can't access from anyone else. So it's particularly unique for people who are a diaspora. I think this debate largely takes place for diaspora individuals or immigrants who have to move from the global South. Because a lot of times, the integrated family s... |
What's the problem in this debate addresses? Why is there a decline in family values in the first place? First, we want to know that there's pressure in the status quo when it comes to moving away from this integrated approach. Because a lot of times in the West, there's a high emphasis on things like individualism, o... |
it looks like tightly integrated families are often times emotionally like connected and like there's always like family familial events like holocaust dinners etc. Okay the reason why this is important and I think that family structure specifically and integrated families allows people who otherwise don't have access... |
These are racialized individuals. The reason why this is important specifically for people like diaspora or living in the West is you are racialized anyway. Your ability to access economic opportunities, your ability to enter a job is going to be based off of your skin color or like the way you talk or even how you lo... |
that shouldn't be taken away from you. Your ability to do things like understand why your language or why your culture exists and why you're treated differently only can come from your family bond and you having access to your grandparents and your language. That can only happen if you're living or like highly integra... |
that political environment and how people react to you can only uniquely come from your ability to understand why you're being discriminated in the first place. So you can only take political action or you can only like, like join groups of people within your culture. If you empathize or sympathize with those people a... |
<poi> |
Okay, I'm terribly sorry, but you seem to be propping the wrong motion. Like ethnic enclaves still exist. Friends still exist. Even if I don't have a huge Chinese extended family, I can live in Chinatown and New York. |
</poi> |
No, that's like, I'm not propping the wrong motion. Because I'm about to get into why that family is the best people to do this. Okay. So when it comes to family, like I feel like, OO like rejects the fact that it comes both ways. If family integratedness means that blood is so important, they have to take you at your ... |
It means that your ability to be shunned from that family becomes significantly less because like blood triumphs over any other means because people value that family integratedness so importantly. So your ability to nurse with your own family, for example, if you have kids and you need to and you're single, your abil... |
always triumph over any other obligation and that and even if there's bad blood in the first place. The third thing is that when it comes to women's ability to negotiate and enter the economic workspace, your ability to again negotiate with your family and get that connectivity can only exist if you're not isolated. T... |
if you're in a like toxic situation and your husband does abuse you, you're like you can't there's no unique mechanism for you to escape that. And in our world, if you're living with a family and you're in an integrated family that has relatives, your accountability increases because you wouldn't do that in front of y... |
if you're a diaspora, increases, because usually it means being obligated to a family business off the start because you are going to be racialized or shut out from better economic opportunities compared to white people. We'd rather take that on the world if it looks like accessing a family network and being able to g... |
that you get better economic opportunity. We beg to propose. |
</mg> |
<mo> |
Okay, cool. So I'm going to begin with extraneous rebuttals and then I'm going to get into my case, right? Because like the government, like the closing government have a funny case here. They come in to tell us that like with these strong family bonds, we are able to do political actions and organize around a single i... |
So have acts of basic impact. Things that we even do to strangers. I really don't understand why it's necessary that these families can bring those things. OK, cool. In my speech, I'm going to give a social cultural contextualization of families. This means I'm going to talk about the underlying premises or structures... |
And then I'm going to, and then I will elaborate like other things that in which for me is function. First, you have to understand that families exist as like basically what we mean when we say how like underlying premises and how families exist as social cultural functions. Like when we are talking, like I want us to... |
that do not defy the existing social cultural status, but it's families which adhere to this. Because all the all the all the societies and all the cultures in themselves, they have they have this kind of notion of preserving the race or preserving their religion. If it's like religious society telling people to marry... |
of narrative around the families and that kind of narrative is actually gatekeeping the kind of families that you can have given that if you want to marry outside your race, outside your religion, it's very unlikely for your family to support you. Most people who want to do this kind of families which the government m... |
Family also exists as a function of society and they exist to preserve the social values, right? And this is where we talk about the kind of values which the government is talking about. Because like, if we most more like you have to understand that like most of the this like rebel ideas that we have are relatively ne... |
These are things which can happen either way, but we tell you specifically that families exist, most integrated families, they exist to be keeper of old values and we are unable to change society for the better on the side of the government. |
</mo> |
<gw> |
Just to very quickly take CO out of the round. When they tell you that you believe what your parents tell you and that it really affects socialization in a way that you are unable to self-actualize, I think they make a similar mistake to OO, which is that they kind of ignore the actual dichotomy in this debate. The dic... |
for women to leave, they remain stuck in patriarchy, and it's super bad. But the problem here is that when I bring it up in a POI, like I do get a response, but I need to explain further why that POI was important. Because we understand that the thing with larger families is accountability is something that is much mo... |
you are pushed to evolve yourself, pushed to be on better behaviour towards the rest of your family simply because the rest of your family is there. When Ola talks about audience, they can't just ignore that the audience has no impact. We're telling you that it's because of the fact that your dad is in the room or her... |
because of that accountability specifically, we think it's easier. Why is that different in their world in nuclear families? It's different because you have a smaller family. You're not seeing others that often because you're not that tightly knit. You're not very open about your issues. You don't really share what pr... |
Two, they talk about single mothers and how it creates a taboo for other alternative types of family arrangements. Here's the problem with that. Sara told you a bunch of things for this. One, she said, actually single mothers most of the times are getting help from like their parents or a lot of the times are getting ... |
because they believe that their family also because they don't want to seem like shitty family members. That is also a huge part of it. But two, we told you a lot of the reason for why women were even able to access economic opportunities to begin with was because of things like grandparents. A lot of like my mom nego... |
that is the only way so many women are able to negotiate with their husbands. And thirdly, it's also because again, older family members are the only ones that these husbands tend to listen to because they can coax them into like understanding those things and like changing their behaviors. That's why we think compare... |
It's not a valid alternative. Three, now having talked about women and why we think women exclusively can only gain access to so many other things because of extended families and large integrated families, let's talk to you then about children and why we think we went on that stakeholder as well. They tell us, well c... |
within your family, you're likely to like believe them and likely to actually take their word. That's we think it's like education of children is much more better. It's much better done in that case. And as far as things like homophobia, etc, go, I think, again, just the access to other family members and their abilit... |
that are in Ontario right now, they're fighting against land treaties. They're trying to preserve land and culture. Why is that important? And why does that die? Because of families disintegrating. Because a lot of the times it's only the grandparents that know these languages, only the grandparents that know the hist... |
collective issues, that is how you get political action. And secondly, as far as enclaves are concerned, yes, they exist irrespective of family structure, but your access to those enclaves is dependent on things like, oh, like do I speak the language or how close am I to my culture because they might not want to assoc... |
</gw> |
<ow> |
Dear panel, today, before building my case, I'd really like to start with some rebuttals made to the members of government. So first of all, I'd like the Aspara claim that it's so good, then it's gonna keep you, gonna keep the values and the language and everything that you have within your family, and so on and so for... |
with you and think of the all psychological problems and all the difficulties it brings with you when you're not able to take the place that you're going to spend and you're going to live your whole life there. They've talked about how it's important for a single, for a woman who has problems in her family, how it's i... |
<poi> |
So if we're talking about things like you being conditioned by your family, like you're not living in a vacuum, your ability to access other means like education, or other social values exist, but the unique benefit on gov, is your ability to educate your family through things like trust or having discourse of why thin... |
</poi> |
Yes, exactly. Before going to the gay thing, it's very important for someone who is gay to come out with them when they have a bigger family, when they have conservatives in there, and they keep in these bubbles of values they've created and constantly keep this language. |
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