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Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help. | aa02d61bf6a32a7c8612fc66067de47fccc8e3dff23c700e544f2594bc98f9c8 | [
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"content": "Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help.",
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"content": "I'm not sure what field you're in, but in my neighborhood (social sciences/humanities), it's pretty unusual to publish in your first few years. Most people don't until after they've done their own big research. Don't beat yourself up about it! The advice about getting evaluated for mental health stuff is good, but I also want to add it's totally normal not to feel 100% excited and invested all the time. I don't know of a single person who retained full, unflagging enthusiasm for the entire 5-7 year period. There are parts that are frustrating, and there are parts that are boring, and your feelings about it will fluctuate. & I think this is probably true of any kind of long term project, in academia or in industry or in personal life. If it's truly making you miserable, of course there's nothing wrong with deciding that it's not for you, but sometimes you gotta just keep chipping away at it.",
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"content": "Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help.",
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Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help. | aa02d61bf6a32a7c8612fc66067de47fccc8e3dff23c700e544f2594bc98f9c8 | [
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"content": "Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help.",
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"content": "Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help.",
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Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help. | aa02d61bf6a32a7c8612fc66067de47fccc8e3dff23c700e544f2594bc98f9c8 | [
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"content": "Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help.",
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Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help. | aa02d61bf6a32a7c8612fc66067de47fccc8e3dff23c700e544f2594bc98f9c8 | [
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"content": "Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help.",
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Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help. | aa02d61bf6a32a7c8612fc66067de47fccc8e3dff23c700e544f2594bc98f9c8 | [
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"content": "Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help.",
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"content": "Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help.",
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Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help. | aa02d61bf6a32a7c8612fc66067de47fccc8e3dff23c700e544f2594bc98f9c8 | [
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"content": "Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help.",
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"content": "Are you pre or post qualifying exams? * If you're pre quals, try to focus on making everything you do relate to getting ready for the exams. * If you're post quals, try to understand that taking qualifying exams is a damaging process that leaves scars. Understand that it takes time for one to heal. Also ask yourself if you are still holding on to the mindset of your undergraduate years. As example, procrasinating with the belief that the impending deadline will motivate one to get things done is a tactic that loses effectiveness when the learning objectives and academic stakes change. (Or so I've heard...) IRT seeking a therapist. * Be careful. Be patient. * A clinical diagnosis can take time to develop. * Symptoms/behaviors that indicate X could be indications of Y. * Medication takes time to be effective. * Progress is not linear. IRT the literature review, please understand that this exercise is incredibly important. If you do it well, you'll have a very useful tool. * If you're pre quals the review will help you understand the existing boundaries of knowledge in one or more fields of interest. * If you're post quals and looking for a dissertation topic, the review help you to understand how you might create new knowledge. In addition to the guidance you've received in other posts, I suggest that you consider the benefits of taking a structured project approach. * Figure out the phases of preparing the lit review and developing a budget in time and expenses for each phase. * Set up a reasonable time table for the completion of each phase. (Recommendation: consider the rule of thumb guideline of allocating 40% of your writing time to proof reading.) * Make sure to build in buffers for FUBAR moments / melt downs / self care. * Understand that you can rank tasks in terms of complexity and space things out so that you're not at 100% GO all the time. * As an example, you could allocate hours to administrative/operational / technology tasks that don't require as much intellectual bandwidth. * Share your project plan with a couple of people who will support you and help you hold yourself accountable. * You can prepare one page memos for professor\\[s\\] and discuss the documents during office hours to make sure you're on track. * If you start working with a therapist, you can task them with keeping you on track emotionally / psychologically. FWIW, here are the best tips / suggestions I've ever received from BTDT academics. * Take the reader by the hand. * It doesn't matter if it's right, just write. (This is the hardest for me.) * Sometimes less is more. * People don't need to know that you don't like them. (I respecfully disagree!)",
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Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help. | aa02d61bf6a32a7c8612fc66067de47fccc8e3dff23c700e544f2594bc98f9c8 | [
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"content": "Are you pre or post qualifying exams? * If you're pre quals, try to focus on making everything you do relate to getting ready for the exams. * If you're post quals, try to understand that taking qualifying exams is a damaging process that leaves scars. Understand that it takes time for one to heal. Also ask yourself if you are still holding on to the mindset of your undergraduate years. As example, procrasinating with the belief that the impending deadline will motivate one to get things done is a tactic that loses effectiveness when the learning objectives and academic stakes change. (Or so I've heard...) IRT seeking a therapist. * Be careful. Be patient. * A clinical diagnosis can take time to develop. * Symptoms/behaviors that indicate X could be indications of Y. * Medication takes time to be effective. * Progress is not linear. IRT the literature review, please understand that this exercise is incredibly important. If you do it well, you'll have a very useful tool. * If you're pre quals the review will help you understand the existing boundaries of knowledge in one or more fields of interest. * If you're post quals and looking for a dissertation topic, the review help you to understand how you might create new knowledge. In addition to the guidance you've received in other posts, I suggest that you consider the benefits of taking a structured project approach. * Figure out the phases of preparing the lit review and developing a budget in time and expenses for each phase. * Set up a reasonable time table for the completion of each phase. (Recommendation: consider the rule of thumb guideline of allocating 40% of your writing time to proof reading.) * Make sure to build in buffers for FUBAR moments / melt downs / self care. * Understand that you can rank tasks in terms of complexity and space things out so that you're not at 100% GO all the time. * As an example, you could allocate hours to administrative/operational / technology tasks that don't require as much intellectual bandwidth. * Share your project plan with a couple of people who will support you and help you hold yourself accountable. * You can prepare one page memos for professor\\[s\\] and discuss the documents during office hours to make sure you're on track. * If you start working with a therapist, you can task them with keeping you on track emotionally / psychologically. FWIW, here are the best tips / suggestions I've ever received from BTDT academics. * Take the reader by the hand. * It doesn't matter if it's right, just write. (This is the hardest for me.) * Sometimes less is more. * People don't need to know that you don't like them. (I respecfully disagree!)",
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Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help. | aa02d61bf6a32a7c8612fc66067de47fccc8e3dff23c700e544f2594bc98f9c8 | [
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"content": "I can empathize with this quite a bit. I'd say from my 2nd to 4th year, almost nothing that is going into my thesis got done, and it really felt like I wasn't getting much done. I definitely suffer from procrastination as well. COVID lockdowns certainly didn't help. But at some point, I realized that a change need to happen, or I needed to leave. So instead of thinking about the achievement, I instead looked at what can I do in 1 day to move forward and be realistic. (don't set a goal of a paper set a goal of like write a page of a literature review) And just kept building from there. I'm going to be defending very soon as probably the longest-length PhD in my program's history with all of my cohort long gone. I was also very fortunate that when I made the realization, I was very honest with my advisor, and he was very honest with what needed to happen to turn the boat around, so to speak. And him realizing that I was concerned made him more understanding when I was freaking out and helpful to me in that he would give me more \"obvious\" I guess input. Finally, the biggest thing that helped me was switching to getting a solid night of sleep. In UG I could power through but either because the work is harder or I'm just getting older. Getting a full night's sleep vs. less is night and day in terms of anxiety-induced procrastination.",
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"content": "I can empathize with this quite a bit. I'd say from my 2nd to 4th year, almost nothing that is going into my thesis got done, and it really felt like I wasn't getting much done. I definitely suffer from procrastination as well. COVID lockdowns certainly didn't help. But at some point, I realized that a change need to happen, or I needed to leave. So instead of thinking about the achievement, I instead looked at what can I do in 1 day to move forward and be realistic. (don't set a goal of a paper set a goal of like write a page of a literature review) And just kept building from there. I'm going to be defending very soon as probably the longest-length PhD in my program's history with all of my cohort long gone. I was also very fortunate that when I made the realization, I was very honest with my advisor, and he was very honest with what needed to happen to turn the boat around, so to speak. And him realizing that I was concerned made him more understanding when I was freaking out and helpful to me in that he would give me more \"obvious\" I guess input. Finally, the biggest thing that helped me was switching to getting a solid night of sleep. In UG I could power through but either because the work is harder or I'm just getting older. Getting a full night's sleep vs. less is night and day in terms of anxiety-induced procrastination.",
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Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help. | aa02d61bf6a32a7c8612fc66067de47fccc8e3dff23c700e544f2594bc98f9c8 | [
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"content": "Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help.",
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Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help. | aa02d61bf6a32a7c8612fc66067de47fccc8e3dff23c700e544f2594bc98f9c8 | [
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"content": "Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help.",
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"content": "Ugh... Hello so, I feel like I needed to talk to someone about this, but I also didn't know who would that person be. I am a Ph.D. student, it's my 3rd year now and I haven't achieved much, to be honest. I really don't know why my procrastination skills are so high. right now I just feel lost and confused, I don't feel like I am what a Ph.D. student would be. I lowkey started thinking about quitting. like I wanna do research and everything, but not like this. it should be on my own terms I guess. what do you think I should do? I lack motivation, and I feel blocked. and speaking of blocking, I know I wanna do something big with my life but can't figure out what. dude, I really need some guidance. I am always stressed for whatever unknown reason. Please help.",
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"content": "Are you using any tools or techniques to help you? Zotero for bibliographic organization (plus notes) The Pomodoro Technique for focused work. (Lots of examples if you google it} Trello possibly for setting up a timeline of tasks. Definitely a hobby as many have mentioned. Don’t get bogged down in a cycle of comparing your reality to what you expected and feeling guilty for not being as “successful “ as you think you should be at this point. You are worthy, interesting, and valued just as you are and will be ok. Hang in there and be kind to yourself.",
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Ethical problem in writing papers I have a problem I don't know how to deal with. Is it ethical that my professor takes my draft of my paper and rewrite it when he finds it needs improvements and makes himself the first author? Isn't he supposed to guide me through the writing process? If he is right, please explain why? And if he isn't, please tell me what should I do. | 04c575da55ddf691c84aadf38b8c8dee7449a34af07723bcbfb0e8cc66698dcc | [
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"content": "Ethical problem in writing papers I have a problem I don't know how to deal with. Is it ethical that my professor takes my draft of my paper and rewrite it when he finds it needs improvements and makes himself the first author? Isn't he supposed to guide me through the writing process? If he is right, please explain why? And if he isn't, please tell me what should I do.",
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"content": "Before this can be answered here are some crucial questions: -are you an undergrad, a Masters student, or a PhD student? -how are you funded? Or have you been \"just paid to do the work\"? -You said \"my professor\". Is this professor the PI of the lab you are doing your PhD thesis in, or are you just working for him? -who will be the last author in the constellation with \"your professor\" as a first author?",
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"content": "Isn’t it better and common practice for the PI to be the last author on a publication? No, I don’t think it’s right for your PI to be doing this. As someone who edits manuscripts for others, even if I have to make extensive modifications and additions, it’d be ludicrous for me to even be listed as an author for doing such a task, let alone first. Is your PI involved in any of the data analysis, experiments, or any other role apart from editing that may lead him to believe he’s deserving of that spot? Still wouldn’t make it right, but it might help explain this behavior.",
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"content": "I had some of my papers almost entirely rewritten by my then supervisor, cuz I used to be a shit writer. Even then, I was the first author. It is almost always the case that PI is the last author. There are exceptions to this, such as: the PI actually did most of the work in the project and you assisted OR PI did all the writing from scratch, you are not a part of the his group anymore, and you only assisted in editing.",
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"content": ">And if he isn't, please tell me what should I do. Do you have a good relationship with your advisor? It feels like the first step is to talk to them about it and make sure they know you are committed to completing the paper as the lead. I would also wonder about asking someone else (e.g., a postdoc) to come in to help with writing if writing quality as a legitimate issue-- basically, removing some of the burden on your advisor so it's less of their time and work.",
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Ethical problem in writing papers I have a problem I don't know how to deal with. Is it ethical that my professor takes my draft of my paper and rewrite it when he finds it needs improvements and makes himself the first author? Isn't he supposed to guide me through the writing process? If he is right, please explain why? And if he isn't, please tell me what should I do. | 04c575da55ddf691c84aadf38b8c8dee7449a34af07723bcbfb0e8cc66698dcc | [
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Ethical problem in writing papers I have a problem I don't know how to deal with. Is it ethical that my professor takes my draft of my paper and rewrite it when he finds it needs improvements and makes himself the first author? Isn't he supposed to guide me through the writing process? If he is right, please explain why? And if he isn't, please tell me what should I do. | 04c575da55ddf691c84aadf38b8c8dee7449a34af07723bcbfb0e8cc66698dcc | [
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"content": "Ethical problem in writing papers I have a problem I don't know how to deal with. Is it ethical that my professor takes my draft of my paper and rewrite it when he finds it needs improvements and makes himself the first author? Isn't he supposed to guide me through the writing process? If he is right, please explain why? And if he isn't, please tell me what should I do.",
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"content": "Ethical problem in writing papers I have a problem I don't know how to deal with. Is it ethical that my professor takes my draft of my paper and rewrite it when he finds it needs improvements and makes himself the first author? Isn't he supposed to guide me through the writing process? If he is right, please explain why? And if he isn't, please tell me what should I do.",
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"content": "No, not right. Being guided by only the information you provided, that is unethical. All PhD training is different but for every project I was on we actually had a firm discussion early on about author order and then if it ever changed another discussion before anything was finalized.",
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Ethical problem in writing papers I have a problem I don't know how to deal with. Is it ethical that my professor takes my draft of my paper and rewrite it when he finds it needs improvements and makes himself the first author? Isn't he supposed to guide me through the writing process? If he is right, please explain why? And if he isn't, please tell me what should I do. | 04c575da55ddf691c84aadf38b8c8dee7449a34af07723bcbfb0e8cc66698dcc | [
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Ethical problem in writing papers I have a problem I don't know how to deal with. Is it ethical that my professor takes my draft of my paper and rewrite it when he finds it needs improvements and makes himself the first author? Isn't he supposed to guide me through the writing process? If he is right, please explain why? And if he isn't, please tell me what should I do. | 04c575da55ddf691c84aadf38b8c8dee7449a34af07723bcbfb0e8cc66698dcc | [
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Ethical problem in writing papers I have a problem I don't know how to deal with. Is it ethical that my professor takes my draft of my paper and rewrite it when he finds it needs improvements and makes himself the first author? Isn't he supposed to guide me through the writing process? If he is right, please explain why? And if he isn't, please tell me what should I do. | 04c575da55ddf691c84aadf38b8c8dee7449a34af07723bcbfb0e8cc66698dcc | [
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Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right? | 358d2a7e85b044bdd3ffb01804d3561871c8a5d280de778f2d71a9896fe43eb4 | [
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"content": "I got into biology because I was good at it at school. No magical moment no exceptional drive to uncover the mystery of nature blah blah. I did my Bachelors and masters and did a PhD kind of because “ everyone did it” after PhD I stumbled across a posting for a postdoc with a quite interesting topic and did that and now work in industry. What I want to say with that it’s totally ok to treat research like an ordinary job. There is nothing special about it if you do not feel special about it and that is totally fine. Academia conditions you to believe that you “sacrifice for humanity” and that “basis research is the only true calling”. Do what you enjoy in the best way you like it. F*** everything else. It’s fair to change what you want to do in life and real friends will support you in that",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "I got into biology because I was good at it at school. No magical moment no exceptional drive to uncover the mystery of nature blah blah. I did my Bachelors and masters and did a PhD kind of because “ everyone did it” after PhD I stumbled across a posting for a postdoc with a quite interesting topic and did that and now work in industry. What I want to say with that it’s totally ok to treat research like an ordinary job. There is nothing special about it if you do not feel special about it and that is totally fine. Academia conditions you to believe that you “sacrifice for humanity” and that “basis research is the only true calling”. Do what you enjoy in the best way you like it. F*** everything else. It’s fair to change what you want to do in life and real friends will support you in that",
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Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right? | 358d2a7e85b044bdd3ffb01804d3561871c8a5d280de778f2d71a9896fe43eb4 | [
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"content": "I've seen a lot of people express similar feelings, for what it's worth. If it's helpful to hear from some rando: your brain has been *royally* fucked with to make you feel this way. It's your life we're talking about, how utterly mad is it to feel that guilt and shame for not spending it on one particular, and deeply criticizable, field like academia? It's a job. It's organizations with pointy-haired bosses making way-too-much money. The romantic ideal of it isn't the reality for most people. If you want to identify as smart, be smart enough to choose to do what you think will suit you best!",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "I have a sort-of similar dilemma. I'm in permanent postdoc mode at the moment (\"research associate\", aka postdoc with retirement benefits but still soft-money dependent). I get my work done, I rather enjoy some parts of it, but am relatively unhappy. Much of it, I think, is my lab. There have been some personnel shifts in the last few years and now the lab (get ready for my ageism) is full of gen Z-ers who never take their headphones off. *in my day* (to be read crustily), the lab was a place for banter and silliness and joking around. It was great. Maybe our experiments would fail, but at least we could all laugh about it together, and then troubleshoot as well. These days I may as well be the only person in the lab, even when there are 5-6 people there. If I try to start a conversation, the recipient has to take 10s to take off their headphones, which often also means de-gloving, and it just ends up not being worth it. I get it, I suppose, who wants to have banter with the 40yo dad when you're some 25yo schmuk? But man, it makes work life depressing. So I work from home most days, because I'm the main coder. Some days thats nice, others depressing. I think a change of pace would be a good thing for me. A very good thing. BUT BUT BUT. I have such flexibility in my job right now. Many days I am taking off early to cart kids around; I can take time to just learn; etc. What other job has that sort of flexibility? Not corporate industry. So what to do? I keep my head down, do my work, and try to shake off the work depression when I \"go home\" at 430 or 5.",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "I have a sort-of similar dilemma. I'm in permanent postdoc mode at the moment (\"research associate\", aka postdoc with retirement benefits but still soft-money dependent). I get my work done, I rather enjoy some parts of it, but am relatively unhappy. Much of it, I think, is my lab. There have been some personnel shifts in the last few years and now the lab (get ready for my ageism) is full of gen Z-ers who never take their headphones off. *in my day* (to be read crustily), the lab was a place for banter and silliness and joking around. It was great. Maybe our experiments would fail, but at least we could all laugh about it together, and then troubleshoot as well. These days I may as well be the only person in the lab, even when there are 5-6 people there. If I try to start a conversation, the recipient has to take 10s to take off their headphones, which often also means de-gloving, and it just ends up not being worth it. I get it, I suppose, who wants to have banter with the 40yo dad when you're some 25yo schmuk? But man, it makes work life depressing. So I work from home most days, because I'm the main coder. Some days thats nice, others depressing. I think a change of pace would be a good thing for me. A very good thing. BUT BUT BUT. I have such flexibility in my job right now. Many days I am taking off early to cart kids around; I can take time to just learn; etc. What other job has that sort of flexibility? Not corporate industry. So what to do? I keep my head down, do my work, and try to shake off the work depression when I \"go home\" at 430 or 5.",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "I have a sort-of similar dilemma. I'm in permanent postdoc mode at the moment (\"research associate\", aka postdoc with retirement benefits but still soft-money dependent). I get my work done, I rather enjoy some parts of it, but am relatively unhappy. Much of it, I think, is my lab. There have been some personnel shifts in the last few years and now the lab (get ready for my ageism) is full of gen Z-ers who never take their headphones off. *in my day* (to be read crustily), the lab was a place for banter and silliness and joking around. It was great. Maybe our experiments would fail, but at least we could all laugh about it together, and then troubleshoot as well. These days I may as well be the only person in the lab, even when there are 5-6 people there. If I try to start a conversation, the recipient has to take 10s to take off their headphones, which often also means de-gloving, and it just ends up not being worth it. I get it, I suppose, who wants to have banter with the 40yo dad when you're some 25yo schmuk? But man, it makes work life depressing. So I work from home most days, because I'm the main coder. Some days thats nice, others depressing. I think a change of pace would be a good thing for me. A very good thing. BUT BUT BUT. I have such flexibility in my job right now. Many days I am taking off early to cart kids around; I can take time to just learn; etc. What other job has that sort of flexibility? Not corporate industry. So what to do? I keep my head down, do my work, and try to shake off the work depression when I \"go home\" at 430 or 5.",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "Are you currently in a TT position? If not, then now is the time to get out. The absolute worst part of academia is job landing process, and then the first six years of a TT position. Until that 6 year mark, everything you have done in school is just ramping up for the hardest period of your career. While I personally am super happy with my current life (assoc. prof), I can honestly say that I missed about a decade of life that all my friends enjoyed. That 10 years took a serious toll, and I am behind on all the normal life stuff, i.e. I only just had a kid and all my friends' youngest kids are like 7-10 years old. One additional thought: it really seems like we are entering a time when academia is being rapidly eroded. Raises are meager, living standard is declining, and I will not be in the least bit surprised if tenure doesnt last my whole career.",
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"content": "I feel like an academic career track takes so much commitment that it becomes part of our identity, and that can make things feel really personal. The longer I am out of academia, the more I realize how pervasive that mindset is. I also keep peeling away layers of how problematic it is. This is one of those layers. Remember, this is a job. You are not your job. Nothing you’re doing is shameful and you haven’t failed your mentors. This isn’t because you’re not not good enough or whatever, it’s simply pursuing a career you find more fulfilling. And it can be more fulfilling for any reason that’s important to you. Better pay or work/life balance are legitimate reasons to be satisfied with a job. Day-to-day work is a legitimate reason. Location is a legitimate reason. People change fields all the time without guilt or feelings of failure, and the same should apply here. If you find a job that sounds good to you and you think you’ll enjoy it, you deserve nothing but hearty and sincere congratulations for your success.",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "You say you wouldn't look down on anyone doing a different job but I think from what you've written here, it's clear you do. You are quite prejudiced about other jobs and you see them as lesser than academia. I don't say this to be mean but because I think you're unhappy with the current situation but aren't going to be able to constructively move on before you make peace with the move. If you can afford to I suggest getting some professional coaching. You can work through what kind of job might appeal to you and start setting yourself some goals about what success in a new career might look like (pay, vacation, linked to academia, linked to STEM, city you like etc). If you can't afford it, I suggest you try a decide what a good job would look like and work towards it. You need to switch out of the mindset that anything outside academia is a step down. Something you might want to look at in terms of careers is tech transfer. It's a common sideways step for scientists and it's a job that combines a need for good scientific expertise with intellectual property and commercialisation strategies. It ultimately can pay quite well, while also being a job you can get into with relatively little experience and gives you a bunch of career opportunities. FWIW I think once you find a job you enjoy you'll wonder what the hell you were ever thinking.",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right? | 358d2a7e85b044bdd3ffb01804d3561871c8a5d280de778f2d71a9896fe43eb4 | [
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right? | 358d2a7e85b044bdd3ffb01804d3561871c8a5d280de778f2d71a9896fe43eb4 | [
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"content": "I'm a prof in n ecology, I've got a permanent position in a very good university. And honestly, every other day I think about leaving academia but I'm not sure what I would work on. Maybe work in a NGO or government? I honestly don't know. I find it unlikely that I have skills for industry. Do you know what I really wish - to have a job that you can go on holidays and not be under a f..ing pile of work on the way back. I sometimes also wish I wasn't in a job that I'm so poorly trained for. I've trained as a scientist but what I do is people management (undergrads, msc, phd, postdocs), budgeting and filling in forms. Sure, what my students see are the flashy papers, the grants, the trips to the field. What I see is forms, forms, forms... if you don't love it, leave it and don't look back.",
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Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right? | 358d2a7e85b044bdd3ffb01804d3561871c8a5d280de778f2d71a9896fe43eb4 | [
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "The \"guilt\" will resolve as soon as you have new context, in the form of people around you who are not academics and who have completely different (from academics) interests and priorities. > I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school It's your life, not theirs.",
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"content": "I’m an assistant prof who just started a 2nd tt position after leaving the first halfway through the contract. I love research, always did, but I don’t think academia allows (some of) us to do the research we truly care about because of time, politics, indexes, making tenure, etc and I’ve felt miserable. In my first job, I was unhappy about pretty much everything. Politics, the new provost who denied everyone tenure, the bean counting metrics, and academics sitting around and only discussing things like citation counts and impact factors rather than anything of actual substance. Everyone looked down on everyone else and everyone was miserable. So I changed my job/field to a professional school field and believed things will get better. Turns out my new school has even more rigid dynamics. Bean counting to the max, nobody getting tenure, and even worse, nobody talks to anyone else except for the handful of full professors with power who tell you you are crap in your face. At least I had other assistant professors to occasionally grab a beer with in my first job…here it’s pure apathy…(which I guess is still better than some other nightmare departments). We just had a face-to-face meeting first time in more than a year last week and nobody even bothered to ask how each other is doing. I mean, I seriously don’t think I want to be surrounded by people like this for another 30 years. We sacrifice so much to be academics but don’t even get the basic respect as human beings. After trying all this time, I think I’m finally out…",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "You say you wouldn't look down on anyone doing a different job but I think from what you've written here, it's clear you do. You are quite prejudiced about other jobs and you see them as lesser than academia. I don't say this to be mean but because I think you're unhappy with the current situation but aren't going to be able to constructively move on before you make peace with the move. If you can afford to I suggest getting some professional coaching. You can work through what kind of job might appeal to you and start setting yourself some goals about what success in a new career might look like (pay, vacation, linked to academia, linked to STEM, city you like etc). If you can't afford it, I suggest you try a decide what a good job would look like and work towards it. You need to switch out of the mindset that anything outside academia is a step down. Something you might want to look at in terms of careers is tech transfer. It's a common sideways step for scientists and it's a job that combines a need for good scientific expertise with intellectual property and commercialisation strategies. It ultimately can pay quite well, while also being a job you can get into with relatively little experience and gives you a bunch of career opportunities. FWIW I think once you find a job you enjoy you'll wonder what the hell you were ever thinking.",
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"content": "I’m an assistant prof who just started a 2nd tt position after leaving the first halfway through the contract. I love research, always did, but I don’t think academia allows (some of) us to do the research we truly care about because of time, politics, indexes, making tenure, etc and I’ve felt miserable. In my first job, I was unhappy about pretty much everything. Politics, the new provost who denied everyone tenure, the bean counting metrics, and academics sitting around and only discussing things like citation counts and impact factors rather than anything of actual substance. Everyone looked down on everyone else and everyone was miserable. So I changed my job/field to a professional school field and believed things will get better. Turns out my new school has even more rigid dynamics. Bean counting to the max, nobody getting tenure, and even worse, nobody talks to anyone else except for the handful of full professors with power who tell you you are crap in your face. At least I had other assistant professors to occasionally grab a beer with in my first job…here it’s pure apathy…(which I guess is still better than some other nightmare departments). We just had a face-to-face meeting first time in more than a year last week and nobody even bothered to ask how each other is doing. I mean, I seriously don’t think I want to be surrounded by people like this for another 30 years. We sacrifice so much to be academics but don’t even get the basic respect as human beings. After trying all this time, I think I’m finally out…",
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"content": "Are you currently in a TT position? If not, then now is the time to get out. The absolute worst part of academia is job landing process, and then the first six years of a TT position. Until that 6 year mark, everything you have done in school is just ramping up for the hardest period of your career. While I personally am super happy with my current life (assoc. prof), I can honestly say that I missed about a decade of life that all my friends enjoyed. That 10 years took a serious toll, and I am behind on all the normal life stuff, i.e. I only just had a kid and all my friends' youngest kids are like 7-10 years old. One additional thought: it really seems like we are entering a time when academia is being rapidly eroded. Raises are meager, living standard is declining, and I will not be in the least bit surprised if tenure doesnt last my whole career.",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "There is a Facebook group called The Professor is Out that you might find helpful",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "Are you currently in a TT position? If not, then now is the time to get out. The absolute worst part of academia is job landing process, and then the first six years of a TT position. Until that 6 year mark, everything you have done in school is just ramping up for the hardest period of your career. While I personally am super happy with my current life (assoc. prof), I can honestly say that I missed about a decade of life that all my friends enjoyed. That 10 years took a serious toll, and I am behind on all the normal life stuff, i.e. I only just had a kid and all my friends' youngest kids are like 7-10 years old. One additional thought: it really seems like we are entering a time when academia is being rapidly eroded. Raises are meager, living standard is declining, and I will not be in the least bit surprised if tenure doesnt last my whole career.",
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"content": "You say you wouldn't look down on anyone doing a different job but I think from what you've written here, it's clear you do. You are quite prejudiced about other jobs and you see them as lesser than academia. I don't say this to be mean but because I think you're unhappy with the current situation but aren't going to be able to constructively move on before you make peace with the move. If you can afford to I suggest getting some professional coaching. You can work through what kind of job might appeal to you and start setting yourself some goals about what success in a new career might look like (pay, vacation, linked to academia, linked to STEM, city you like etc). If you can't afford it, I suggest you try a decide what a good job would look like and work towards it. You need to switch out of the mindset that anything outside academia is a step down. Something you might want to look at in terms of careers is tech transfer. It's a common sideways step for scientists and it's a job that combines a need for good scientific expertise with intellectual property and commercialisation strategies. It ultimately can pay quite well, while also being a job you can get into with relatively little experience and gives you a bunch of career opportunities. FWIW I think once you find a job you enjoy you'll wonder what the hell you were ever thinking.",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "Are you currently in a TT position? If not, then now is the time to get out. The absolute worst part of academia is job landing process, and then the first six years of a TT position. Until that 6 year mark, everything you have done in school is just ramping up for the hardest period of your career. While I personally am super happy with my current life (assoc. prof), I can honestly say that I missed about a decade of life that all my friends enjoyed. That 10 years took a serious toll, and I am behind on all the normal life stuff, i.e. I only just had a kid and all my friends' youngest kids are like 7-10 years old. One additional thought: it really seems like we are entering a time when academia is being rapidly eroded. Raises are meager, living standard is declining, and I will not be in the least bit surprised if tenure doesnt last my whole career.",
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"content": "I'm a prof in n ecology, I've got a permanent position in a very good university. And honestly, every other day I think about leaving academia but I'm not sure what I would work on. Maybe work in a NGO or government? I honestly don't know. I find it unlikely that I have skills for industry. Do you know what I really wish - to have a job that you can go on holidays and not be under a f..ing pile of work on the way back. I sometimes also wish I wasn't in a job that I'm so poorly trained for. I've trained as a scientist but what I do is people management (undergrads, msc, phd, postdocs), budgeting and filling in forms. Sure, what my students see are the flashy papers, the grants, the trips to the field. What I see is forms, forms, forms... if you don't love it, leave it and don't look back.",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "You say you wouldn't look down on anyone doing a different job but I think from what you've written here, it's clear you do. You are quite prejudiced about other jobs and you see them as lesser than academia. I don't say this to be mean but because I think you're unhappy with the current situation but aren't going to be able to constructively move on before you make peace with the move. If you can afford to I suggest getting some professional coaching. You can work through what kind of job might appeal to you and start setting yourself some goals about what success in a new career might look like (pay, vacation, linked to academia, linked to STEM, city you like etc). If you can't afford it, I suggest you try a decide what a good job would look like and work towards it. You need to switch out of the mindset that anything outside academia is a step down. Something you might want to look at in terms of careers is tech transfer. It's a common sideways step for scientists and it's a job that combines a need for good scientific expertise with intellectual property and commercialisation strategies. It ultimately can pay quite well, while also being a job you can get into with relatively little experience and gives you a bunch of career opportunities. FWIW I think once you find a job you enjoy you'll wonder what the hell you were ever thinking.",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "I spent over a decade wanting to be a professor. I tried industry and threw that professor dream in the trash within a few months. 70(?) years from now you're gonna be dead, and you'll have never felt you lived long enough to do everything you ever wanted. Life is just too short to worry about what your mentors want you to do; do what you want to do.",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "The \"guilt\" will resolve as soon as you have new context, in the form of people around you who are not academics and who have completely different (from academics) interests and priorities. > I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school It's your life, not theirs.",
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"content": "You say you wouldn't look down on anyone doing a different job but I think from what you've written here, it's clear you do. You are quite prejudiced about other jobs and you see them as lesser than academia. I don't say this to be mean but because I think you're unhappy with the current situation but aren't going to be able to constructively move on before you make peace with the move. If you can afford to I suggest getting some professional coaching. You can work through what kind of job might appeal to you and start setting yourself some goals about what success in a new career might look like (pay, vacation, linked to academia, linked to STEM, city you like etc). If you can't afford it, I suggest you try a decide what a good job would look like and work towards it. You need to switch out of the mindset that anything outside academia is a step down. Something you might want to look at in terms of careers is tech transfer. It's a common sideways step for scientists and it's a job that combines a need for good scientific expertise with intellectual property and commercialisation strategies. It ultimately can pay quite well, while also being a job you can get into with relatively little experience and gives you a bunch of career opportunities. FWIW I think once you find a job you enjoy you'll wonder what the hell you were ever thinking.",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "I spent over a decade wanting to be a professor. I tried industry and threw that professor dream in the trash within a few months. 70(?) years from now you're gonna be dead, and you'll have never felt you lived long enough to do everything you ever wanted. Life is just too short to worry about what your mentors want you to do; do what you want to do.",
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"content": "The \"guilt\" will resolve as soon as you have new context, in the form of people around you who are not academics and who have completely different (from academics) interests and priorities. > I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school It's your life, not theirs.",
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"content": "The \"guilt\" will resolve as soon as you have new context, in the form of people around you who are not academics and who have completely different (from academics) interests and priorities. > I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school It's your life, not theirs.",
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"content": "Ex-ecologist who quit in Year 5 of PhD. One of the hardest things about leaving was disentangling my identity from academia and research. The next was guilt about not seeing my dissertation research through (fieldwork was done, but lots of lab processing left). Luckily my PI was very clear that figuring out how to get the leftover work done was HIS job, not mine. You don't owe anyone anything, except maaaybe a \"thanks for all the fish.\" Just think of all the cheap/free labor you've provided universities over the years 😉😬 For what it's worth, every professor I told said something along the lines of \"good for you\" and a number of them said they'd known people who were too scared to quit and spent some miserable couple of years trying to finish their PhD, or even got TT jobs, only to quit later. There are PLENTY of careers out there that need smart problem solvers, and you don't have to have it all figured out tomorrow. Chances are if you've stuck it out this long, you've got some major skills that will help you anywhere- including resume-type skills (helllooo project management!), but also just plain effective working skills, like initiative and independent learning. Also strong recommendation to find a therapist if you haven't already. The thing about guilt is it only works if you let it in.",
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Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right? | 358d2a7e85b044bdd3ffb01804d3561871c8a5d280de778f2d71a9896fe43eb4 | [
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "Yeah, I have that feeling: I could work harder of course but at a certain point, you want a reward. I have been on temporary contracts since finishing my PhD and it burns you out. You cannot become part of a community because you change Uni every year, you do not get the benefits of being at one place, and 3 months in the job, you already need to be on the lookout for the next job. If you see then people get cushy jobs without too much effort, and your applications go unanswered, you get depressed. At the moment (with an arts degree), I am trying to get into the arts residency circuit itself, like doing residencies the whole year round. It also takes a lot of effort but at least I feel I am doing it for myself rather than some PI with the permanent contract. I have done residencies before but never saw it as a full-time job. If I am going to be precarious, I'd rather do it on my own terms.",
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Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right? | 358d2a7e85b044bdd3ffb01804d3561871c8a5d280de778f2d71a9896fe43eb4 | [
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "I feel you, you are not wrong or a bad scientist. It is ok to treat this job as a job. My story is the same: I accepted to do the PhD because I saw the opportunity to have a 3 years contract without worrying about to find a job. The PhD in STEM was brutal, with no training, no support, and a ridiculous amount of work. I was exhausted, I am exhausted. I gave to myself the opportunity to try a one-year postdoc. The story did not change: no training, no support, and a lot of mistakes. I failed it for them (PIs) because I was not interested in publishing papers or my priority was to enjoy my life during the weekend. I also consider my research very poor ( don't really like reading papers), and honestly, I am not so interested in discovering something special. I saw PI with retracted papers still applying for a professorship, and I worked with a well-known PI who just tried to submit a paper only based on western blot ( which I consider a very unreliable technique) on an IF: 30 journal because he put his editors \" friends\" on it as corresponding authors. I don't believe that academia produces good science. I enjoy doing experiments, and I am very good at working with animals, but not for the sake of science, probably because I like to \" play with things\". I was changing job at the end of the one year postdoc when my PI offered me a very well paid other 2 years postdoc. It was a matter of luck because he got a huge grant. Honestly, I just looked at the money. I started to avoid this toxic and workaholic environment. Once they asked me to work for free in a gap month between the two contracts for the \"sake of the project\", I told them that I was happy to delegate to someone else because I had personal things to do in that month. They were very disappointed, but it is a job for me. I need to take care of my mental health ( totally fucked up during the PhD). In my big picture I will move to industry. Don't feel guilty.",
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"content": "Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right?",
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"content": "Ex-ecologist who quit in Year 5 of PhD. One of the hardest things about leaving was disentangling my identity from academia and research. The next was guilt about not seeing my dissertation research through (fieldwork was done, but lots of lab processing left). Luckily my PI was very clear that figuring out how to get the leftover work done was HIS job, not mine. You don't owe anyone anything, except maaaybe a \"thanks for all the fish.\" Just think of all the cheap/free labor you've provided universities over the years 😉😬 For what it's worth, every professor I told said something along the lines of \"good for you\" and a number of them said they'd known people who were too scared to quit and spent some miserable couple of years trying to finish their PhD, or even got TT jobs, only to quit later. There are PLENTY of careers out there that need smart problem solvers, and you don't have to have it all figured out tomorrow. Chances are if you've stuck it out this long, you've got some major skills that will help you anywhere- including resume-type skills (helllooo project management!), but also just plain effective working skills, like initiative and independent learning. Also strong recommendation to find a therapist if you haven't already. The thing about guilt is it only works if you let it in.",
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Another leaving academia post: how to deal with guilt? I've been in academia for most of my working life. I did my bachelors, took a year off to volunteer in field ecology studies, went back for my masters in evolution, and then took a few years off to work as a bioinformatics help, and then went back for my phD. I feel like all along, I kind of knew academia wasn't for me? But not just academia, doing research wasn't really for me. I didn't have the burning drive or the vision, I didn't want to know the answer so badly, and my mental health throughout the whole time hasn't been great. But honestly it's been so long, I kind of don't know how to feel about not doing research. It's basically what I've been training for my entire life. I know mentally that people do other jobs, and I'd never look down on people doing other jobs, but doing other jobs just feels like a step down. It feels like I'm not trying hard enough when I'm not doing research, and it's literally what every single person I know around me is doing (ok, not everyone, but everyone at work is). I feel like kind of a failure for not wanting to be a scientist, something that I genuninely wanted to do when I first started graduate school about a decade ago. But I think I tried, hard, to be that. I've been thinking about applying for FAS positions, and I think I could be good at it. I think I'm interested in the commercial and sales aspects of biotech, and I'm still interested in science in general, just not necessarily in the actual day to day making it work kind of way. I know it's not bad per se, but I feel so bad, like I've failed all my mentors throughout grad school who wouldn't want this path for me. I also worry that people would look down on me? Like again, I think it's in my head, but even though I could possibly attempt to rebrand myself as a data scientist or something, I feel like I just don't have the drive, and for some reason that really gets at my identity as a smart problem solver. did anyone else face a crisis in identity as they contemplate leaving academia? How did you resolve it? It's like a big scary chasm outside of academia and I feel like I'll possibly be very bad at it, but it's also exciting and I could also be really good right? | 358d2a7e85b044bdd3ffb01804d3561871c8a5d280de778f2d71a9896fe43eb4 | [
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"content": "Yeah, I have that feeling: I could work harder of course but at a certain point, you want a reward. I have been on temporary contracts since finishing my PhD and it burns you out. You cannot become part of a community because you change Uni every year, you do not get the benefits of being at one place, and 3 months in the job, you already need to be on the lookout for the next job. If you see then people get cushy jobs without too much effort, and your applications go unanswered, you get depressed. At the moment (with an arts degree), I am trying to get into the arts residency circuit itself, like doing residencies the whole year round. It also takes a lot of effort but at least I feel I am doing it for myself rather than some PI with the permanent contract. I have done residencies before but never saw it as a full-time job. If I am going to be precarious, I'd rather do it on my own terms.",
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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"content": "Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. \"Greetings!\" \"Rejoice!\" \"Eminent!\" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language?",
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"content": "Whenever people start off with “I hope I’m not disturbing you or wasting your time.” It’s like, “You are just by making me read that sentence about your passivity. What do you want?” And I’m probably going to judge the content of their message more negatively based on that.",
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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"content": "\"It is important that your article has been accepted and publish in January 2020 issue. So, please transfer or deposit the publication fees immediately. If you like transfer the processing fees through western union; please use the following receiver name address...\" Got this last month. Can confirm OP's statement!",
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"content": "Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. \"Greetings!\" \"Rejoice!\" \"Eminent!\" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language?",
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"content": "I don't agree with the filtering mechanism point. The primary audience for these journals are 3rd world researchers whose English is likely not great and have powers that be who don't know any better. They won't say no to a US or European researcher who happens to fall for it too, but that's not why those journals exist.",
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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"content": "Whenever people start off with “I hope I’m not disturbing you or wasting your time.” It’s like, “You are just by making me read that sentence about your passivity. What do you want?” And I’m probably going to judge the content of their message more negatively based on that.",
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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Why is the english in scam journals so bad? Each and everyone of them is godawful. "Greetings!" "Rejoice!" "Eminent!" I thought the point of them is that they preyed on either grad students who don't know much better and were desperate to increase their publication count - so why has so godawful language in them? I just got this today: >Dear Professor, >Hope I am not irritating you with my email. If yes sorry for the inconvenience caused by my end. > >I am [NAME] working as a manager of Scholarly Journal of [SUBJECT] (SJ[S]) sends invitation to eminently like you to help me in growth of my Journal. I know that you are getting hundreds of solicited email and got fed up with the invitations that you have got. > >But, please be in my position understand the problem I am facing as nowadays it is becoming very hard to get trust of authors. Trust me in my efforts, I will believe in you that you are the person who illuminate my hope for my journals future. > >Today I am leaving my desk in a small hope that tomorrow will be my turning point for me, and my journal and I get novel article from you. Please help me in rejoicing this day. Dear lords, I'm pretty sure soon they're going to enclose picture of their family that only get fed if I turn in a 2-page opinion piece by Friday. Does this work on anyone? I understand they spam everyone - wouldn't it make sense to get one good version of the spam message and re-use it? How come in the whole universe of scam journals and conferences, not one has managed to write something halfway professional? Hell, can't they just lift it from a legitimate journal and just change the names, if they're that inept at the language? | 56e1d8ebe7383d5d0a692b1f6581bcfdadac338ea631dc5ecc75bd4e7ef3f68c | [
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"content": "It is intentional. And here is a \"journal\" article for you.. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/294259479_Mathematical_proof_of_the_Law_of_Karma",
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"content": "In many parts of the world academic careers are assessed by publications in English language international journals. So many people who have not had the opportunity to learn English to an appropriate level are forced into direct competition with native speakers of English. This system particularly disadvantages people from poorer family backgrounds, and I don't feel comfortable laughing at their English. Formal and acceptable workplace English in many Commonwealth countries is also very different to that in USA and Europe, and I would urge tolerance of these differences. Let's spend our time fixing the system to make it more fair and inclusive instead. If our publishing system truly worked for everyone these predatory journals would go out of business.",
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"content": "I love it. I am full-time and tenured so I do try to do things to look busier. I have jumped on a few grant projects to rake in some extra dough but that is not required. The downside is that though research and publishing are not 'required' when you go up for Full recent pubs get weighed in the process. The grant stuff will help with that a little but it isn't enough to jump that hurdle.",
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"content": "I am TT faculty at a medical school where it's teaching focused. Meaning, I don't do bench research but rather I also do medical education research. My assignment is about 30/30/30 teaching, research and service. I know you asked for teaching only but I would consider my position a weird hybrid focused on teaching. Some medical schools have this set up to have better educators. We also have dedicated bench research faculty to support student research. I have to say I really love this arrangement. I can spend A LOT of time developing really good content for my students while at the same time researching and publishing the effectiveness of what I'm doing. I do hope that more schools move in this direction and let people who care about education take the lectures and let the people who are passionate about bench research focus on their research only. It's too much to expect faculty to excel in both. Anyways, I digress. The point is, if you are worried about giving up research or teaching 3 full classes a semester there could be a middle ground available. I will also add my salary is independent of any funding I bring in which is a relief.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "No, it's just a pat on the back universities give commencement speakers.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "No. Generally they don't expect to be, either.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "Not really, no. Being honorary means that the degree was conferred \"without the usual requirements or functions,\" meaning it doesn't entail the status and title of an earned doctorate.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "No, it's just a pat on the back universities give commencement speakers.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "Not really, no. Being honorary means that the degree was conferred \"without the usual requirements or functions,\" meaning it doesn't entail the status and title of an earned doctorate.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "Not really, no. Being honorary means that the degree was conferred \"without the usual requirements or functions,\" meaning it doesn't entail the status and title of an earned doctorate.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "No.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "Not really, no. Being honorary means that the degree was conferred \"without the usual requirements or functions,\" meaning it doesn't entail the status and title of an earned doctorate.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I've fine with it on the day it's awarded since they're usually on campus in regalia to address faculty and students. After that no.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "Sometimes, in Germany in particular, persons with a doctorate + an honorary doctorate insist on being referred to as \"Dr. Dr. XYZ\". But this is mostly super crusty old men, anyone under 60 thinks this behavior is embarrassing at best.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I've fine with it on the day it's awarded since they're usually on campus in regalia to address faculty and students. After that no.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I've fine with it on the day it's awarded since they're usually on campus in regalia to address faculty and students. After that no.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "In my experience, generally only in conjunction with the University that granted the degree. For example, if they come back to the same school as a commencement speaker after being granted the honorary, they may be introduced with \"Doctor\" at the end of the introduction speech. Another example is in correspondence that the University sends to them hoping that they donate even more money in the future.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I've fine with it on the day it's awarded since they're usually on campus in regalia to address faculty and students. After that no.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I've fine with it on the day it's awarded since they're usually on campus in regalia to address faculty and students. After that no.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "No.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I've fine with it on the day it's awarded since they're usually on campus in regalia to address faculty and students. After that no.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I've fine with it on the day it's awarded since they're usually on campus in regalia to address faculty and students. After that no.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Can someone explain me what is an honorary doctorate?",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I've fine with it on the day it's awarded since they're usually on campus in regalia to address faculty and students. After that no.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I've fine with it on the day it's awarded since they're usually on campus in regalia to address faculty and students. After that no.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "No.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I've fine with it on the day it's awarded since they're usually on campus in regalia to address faculty and students. After that no.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I've fine with it on the day it's awarded since they're usually on campus in regalia to address faculty and students. After that no.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "That would be weird, imo.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I've fine with it on the day it's awarded since they're usually on campus in regalia to address faculty and students. After that no.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "Sometimes, in Germany in particular, persons with a doctorate + an honorary doctorate insist on being referred to as \"Dr. Dr. XYZ\". But this is mostly super crusty old men, anyone under 60 thinks this behavior is embarrassing at best.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "In my experience, generally only in conjunction with the University that granted the degree. For example, if they come back to the same school as a commencement speaker after being granted the honorary, they may be introduced with \"Doctor\" at the end of the introduction speech. Another example is in correspondence that the University sends to them hoping that they donate even more money in the future.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "Sometimes, in Germany in particular, persons with a doctorate + an honorary doctorate insist on being referred to as \"Dr. Dr. XYZ\". But this is mostly super crusty old men, anyone under 60 thinks this behavior is embarrassing at best.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "No. Imagine having to call Kanye Dr. West.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "In my experience, generally only in conjunction with the University that granted the degree. For example, if they come back to the same school as a commencement speaker after being granted the honorary, they may be introduced with \"Doctor\" at the end of the introduction speech. Another example is in correspondence that the University sends to them hoping that they donate even more money in the future.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "No. Imagine having to call Kanye Dr. West.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "No. Imagine having to call Kanye Dr. West.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "No.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "No. Imagine having to call Kanye Dr. West.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "No. Imagine having to call Kanye Dr. West.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "Can someone explain me what is an honorary doctorate?",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "No. Imagine having to call Kanye Dr. West.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "No. Imagine having to call Kanye Dr. West.",
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}
] | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "No.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "No. Imagine having to call Kanye Dr. West.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "No. Imagine having to call Kanye Dr. West.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "That would be weird, imo.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "No. Imagine having to call Kanye Dr. West.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "In my experience, generally only in conjunction with the University that granted the degree. For example, if they come back to the same school as a commencement speaker after being granted the honorary, they may be introduced with \"Doctor\" at the end of the introduction speech. Another example is in correspondence that the University sends to them hoping that they donate even more money in the future.",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "No.",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "Can someone explain me what is an honorary doctorate?",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "No.",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "Nope. I have an earned doctorate and I don't want to be called, \"Dr.\" off campus. Or by anybody except students on campus.",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "That would be weird, imo.",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "In Africa, people with honorary doctorates expect to be addressed as Dr. And introduce themselves as Dr.",
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"content": "I have a longstanding resentment with honorary degree conferees. At my undergrad graduation the former CFO of Dicks sporting goods was getting one - they talked for 10 minutes about how cool he was, he got the degree on-stage, and then he was the keynote speaker. His entire speech was also about how cool he was. This was at the ceremony just for sciences/humanities (not the business program) and we didn't even get to walk to receive our diploma. They just said our name and we stood up in the seat. So no, I wouldn't call them doctor, and she would likely be a bit scornful unless I was personally aware of their background.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "In my country \"Doctor Honoris Causa\" is only given to people with long life achievements, not to donors. And those people are usually doctors. Here, public universities are better than the private universities. And only public universities give that kind of honor.",
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"content": "In my experience, generally only in conjunction with the University that granted the degree. For example, if they come back to the same school as a commencement speaker after being granted the honorary, they may be introduced with \"Doctor\" at the end of the introduction speech. Another example is in correspondence that the University sends to them hoping that they donate even more money in the future.",
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"content": "In my country \"Doctor Honoris Causa\" is only given to people with long life achievements, not to donors. And those people are usually doctors. Here, public universities are better than the private universities. And only public universities give that kind of honor.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "In my country \"Doctor Honoris Causa\" is only given to people with long life achievements, not to donors. And those people are usually doctors. Here, public universities are better than the private universities. And only public universities give that kind of honor.",
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"content": "No.",
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"content": "In my country \"Doctor Honoris Causa\" is only given to people with long life achievements, not to donors. And those people are usually doctors. Here, public universities are better than the private universities. And only public universities give that kind of honor.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "In my country \"Doctor Honoris Causa\" is only given to people with long life achievements, not to donors. And those people are usually doctors. Here, public universities are better than the private universities. And only public universities give that kind of honor.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "Nope. I have an earned doctorate and I don't want to be called, \"Dr.\" off campus. Or by anybody except students on campus.",
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"content": "In my country \"Doctor Honoris Causa\" is only given to people with long life achievements, not to donors. And those people are usually doctors. Here, public universities are better than the private universities. And only public universities give that kind of honor.",
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"content": "In my country \"Doctor Honoris Causa\" is only given to people with long life achievements, not to donors. And those people are usually doctors. Here, public universities are better than the private universities. And only public universities give that kind of honor.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "In my country \"Doctor Honoris Causa\" is only given to people with long life achievements, not to donors. And those people are usually doctors. Here, public universities are better than the private universities. And only public universities give that kind of honor.",
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"content": "In Africa, people with honorary doctorates expect to be addressed as Dr. And introduce themselves as Dr.",
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"content": "In my country \"Doctor Honoris Causa\" is only given to people with long life achievements, not to donors. And those people are usually doctors. Here, public universities are better than the private universities. And only public universities give that kind of honor.",
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