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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "In my experience, generally only in conjunction with the University that granted the degree. For example, if they come back to the same school as a commencement speaker after being granted the honorary, they may be introduced with \"Doctor\" at the end of the introduction speech. Another example is in correspondence that the University sends to them hoping that they donate even more money in the future.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "Can someone explain me what is an honorary doctorate?",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "In my experience, generally only in conjunction with the University that granted the degree. For example, if they come back to the same school as a commencement speaker after being granted the honorary, they may be introduced with \"Doctor\" at the end of the introduction speech. Another example is in correspondence that the University sends to them hoping that they donate even more money in the future.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "That would be weird, imo.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "That would be weird, imo.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "No. Im fact, some Universities have a protocol explaining to the honorees that they are not to the use the title in anyway.",
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"content": "Nope. I have an earned doctorate and I don't want to be called, \"Dr.\" off campus. Or by anybody except students on campus.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "No. Im fact, some Universities have a protocol explaining to the honorees that they are not to the use the title in anyway.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "No. Im fact, some Universities have a protocol explaining to the honorees that they are not to the use the title in anyway.",
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"content": "Imho, nobody outside of their place of work (assuming they work in the same field as their phd) should be addressed as doctor.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "No. Im fact, some Universities have a protocol explaining to the honorees that they are not to the use the title in anyway.",
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"content": "In Africa, people with honorary doctorates expect to be addressed as Dr. And introduce themselves as Dr.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "No. Im fact, some Universities have a protocol explaining to the honorees that they are not to the use the title in anyway.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "Oh, they do know. It's about ego! And it's usually politicians; some \"buy\" honorary degrees from dodgy schools. Just so they can be called Dr.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "I think anyone who graduated kindergarten should be called doctor",
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"content": "No. Im fact, some Universities have a protocol explaining to the honorees that they are not to the use the title in anyway.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "Yes. Just kidding - no.",
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"content": "Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious.",
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"content": "Nope. I have an earned doctorate and I don't want to be called, \"Dr.\" off campus. Or by anybody except students on campus.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Imho, nobody outside of their place of work (assuming they work in the same field as their phd) should be addressed as doctor.",
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Should someone with an honorary doctorate be addressed as 'Dr.'? A thought I've had for a while that I'm interested in hearing other opinions about. Not meaning to start an argument over qualifications and contributions to their respective fields, just genuinely curious. | 5bd04cdaf673a5165fbf0fe2799ec1dac8374050a3159a9ff3de96bbd7d6a422 | [
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"content": "Oh, they do know. It's about ego! And it's usually politicians; some \"buy\" honorary degrees from dodgy schools. Just so they can be called Dr.",
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"content": "In Africa, people with honorary doctorates expect to be addressed as Dr. And introduce themselves as Dr.",
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"content": "I think anyone who graduated kindergarten should be called doctor",
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When writing a series of related papers, how do you avoid repeating the lit review? This may be a really basic question, but when you're writing a series of related papers, how do you make sure your lit review isn't just repeating yourself from previous papers? As long as it's framed for your current paper, and you haven't self-plagiarised, is there any problem stating the same stuff with the same references? Do you try to avoid it? Why/why not? For reference I'm a (very) early-career social science researcher. | 7faff766f67ed3ad03886d4cab71c19d2a6084e57729ee0a74ee489948a2742a | [
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"content": "When writing a series of related papers, how do you avoid repeating the lit review? This may be a really basic question, but when you're writing a series of related papers, how do you make sure your lit review isn't just repeating yourself from previous papers? As long as it's framed for your current paper, and you haven't self-plagiarised, is there any problem stating the same stuff with the same references? Do you try to avoid it? Why/why not? For reference I'm a (very) early-career social science researcher.",
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"content": "Eh, contra other commenters, I think if you have a Minimum Publishable Unit, no need to combine with other papers just because the lit reviews are similar. Frankly, changing up the wording a bit seems fine, especially if you are sending to various journals.",
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"content": "Should they maybe be the same paper?",
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"content": "Eh, contra other commenters, I think if you have a Minimum Publishable Unit, no need to combine with other papers just because the lit reviews are similar. Frankly, changing up the wording a bit seems fine, especially if you are sending to various journals.",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "It's sad, but basically no. To be really honest, most countries ignore most other countries' institutions. Ask an American academic about French institutions and you are very likely to get blank stares...Overall, very few institutions have international name recognition.",
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"content": "Hola, soy doctorando en la Sorbona y he estudiado en las de Ámsterdam, Lille, Lovaina y Rio de Janeiro. Nadie conoce las universidades latinoamericanas en Europa y todos piensan que son peores pero son prejuicios. En ciencias sociales los europeos no tienen nada de especial. Simplemente el colonialismo domina los imaginarios. Estoy siguiendo un curso en línea con la universidad de Avellaneda y está muy bien.",
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"content": "It's sad, but basically no. To be really honest, most countries ignore most other countries' institutions. Ask an American academic about French institutions and you are very likely to get blank stares...Overall, very few institutions have international name recognition.",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "Not really, honestly. A handful of American and British schools really dominate in terms of internationally-known universities. I doubt you'd find many in Europe and America, at least the English speaking parts, who are really familiar with UBA.",
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"content": "Hola, soy doctorando en la Sorbona y he estudiado en las de Ámsterdam, Lille, Lovaina y Rio de Janeiro. Nadie conoce las universidades latinoamericanas en Europa y todos piensan que son peores pero son prejuicios. En ciencias sociales los europeos no tienen nada de especial. Simplemente el colonialismo domina los imaginarios. Estoy siguiendo un curso en línea con la universidad de Avellaneda y está muy bien.",
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"content": "Not really, honestly. A handful of American and British schools really dominate in terms of internationally-known universities. I doubt you'd find many in Europe and America, at least the English speaking parts, who are really familiar with UBA.",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "Hmm... I'm surprised by the answers on here. I did my PhD at a top-tier US university, and was privy to the admissions process during my postdoc there while I waited for a more permanent position. The faculty on the admissions panel were very aware of the top foreign universities from China, India, Lebanon, etc. While about a quarter of the Master's class typically comprised foreign students, more than half of the PhD cohort were foreign students, usually from developing countries. Every academic wants good PhD students. It was important for the admissions panel to know this information in order to be able to recruit the best.",
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"content": "Acá estudiante de grado de ciencias sociales en la UNSAM. Me parece que todo depende de qué estudies! Mucha gente viene acá a estudiar Medicina en la UBA porque es una universidad de excelencia y accesible, en comparación al resto de Latinoamérica. También viene mucha gente a hacer posgrados de distintas facultades y universidades porque son de gran calidad académica. Muchas personas que vienen de afuera y conocen las universidades argentinas te pueden llegar a decir que un título de grado acá equivale a estudiar un grado y un master en Europa, por el simple hecho de que un grado en Europa es de 3-4 años y nuestros estudios de grado casi siempre son mínimo 5 años. Pero también porque la calidad académica es buena. Por otro lado, creo que es un gran prejuicio argentino pensar que la UBA es drásticamente mejor que cualquier otra universidad. Se infla mucho la imagen de la UBA y la realidad es que si bien se mantiene estable en los rankings de publicaciones e investigadores en Latinoamérica (que por cuestiones de presupuesto nunca va a poder estar a la altura de universidades europeas o norteamericanas), hay otras universidades que en los últimos años le compiten y pueden llegar a destronarla dentro de poco tiempo. Además hay cosas de la UBA que quedaron obsoletas, como por ejemplo las carreras con planes de estudio de 6 años, cuando podrías tener más graduados que accedan antes al posgrado y que produzcan investigación de calidad. La realidad es que si querés hacer carrera académica muy pocas veces importa tu título de grado, lo importante es lo que hagas en el posgrado y que te enfoques en insertarte en institutos de investigación que sean líderes en el campo que te interese, ser becario/a de investigadores/as que tengan un número alto de publicaciones en revistas con referato, etc. Eso es relevante en todos lados y da cuenta de un buen nivel, no importa la institución.",
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"content": "Hmm... I'm surprised by the answers on here. I did my PhD at a top-tier US university, and was privy to the admissions process during my postdoc there while I waited for a more permanent position. The faculty on the admissions panel were very aware of the top foreign universities from China, India, Lebanon, etc. While about a quarter of the Master's class typically comprised foreign students, more than half of the PhD cohort were foreign students, usually from developing countries. Every academic wants good PhD students. It was important for the admissions panel to know this information in order to be able to recruit the best.",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "Not sure if this subreddit is for academics (PhD student myself), but I do \"know\" UNAM and USP. Have come across a few good papers on my field from there, hence the \"know\". That's pretty much the only interaction I have with other unis. Haven't seen one from Buenos Aires, might be luck or nobody working/publishing in my search area",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "I've heard of USP because my colleague studied there :) To be honest though the people telling you that UBA is going to help you in your career might still be right, even if UBA does not have layman prestige outside Argentina. Professional networks are much narrower and often do include developing country universities - or even specific advisers or research groups within a university - that are considered high quality, and belonging to such an institution will make it easier for you to advance in that specific profession, even if mentioning where you went to school doesn't make random people gasp. For example, there's a university in Italy (yes, I know that's not a developing country but example supports my general point) that is very well reputed among economists and that I'm pretty sure is virtually unknown outside the field.",
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"content": "im from Brazil, USP student, and here UBA is actually famous, at least between the med students. But in humanities field only french, german and britsh universities integrates the 'academic pantheon'. Of course this is an elitist shit point of view",
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"content": "Not sure if this subreddit is for academics (PhD student myself), but I do \"know\" UNAM and USP. Have come across a few good papers on my field from there, hence the \"know\". That's pretty much the only interaction I have with other unis. Haven't seen one from Buenos Aires, might be luck or nobody working/publishing in my search area",
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"content": "I've heard of USP because my colleague studied there :) To be honest though the people telling you that UBA is going to help you in your career might still be right, even if UBA does not have layman prestige outside Argentina. Professional networks are much narrower and often do include developing country universities - or even specific advisers or research groups within a university - that are considered high quality, and belonging to such an institution will make it easier for you to advance in that specific profession, even if mentioning where you went to school doesn't make random people gasp. For example, there's a university in Italy (yes, I know that's not a developing country but example supports my general point) that is very well reputed among economists and that I'm pretty sure is virtually unknown outside the field.",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "I've heard of USP because my colleague studied there :) To be honest though the people telling you that UBA is going to help you in your career might still be right, even if UBA does not have layman prestige outside Argentina. Professional networks are much narrower and often do include developing country universities - or even specific advisers or research groups within a university - that are considered high quality, and belonging to such an institution will make it easier for you to advance in that specific profession, even if mentioning where you went to school doesn't make random people gasp. For example, there's a university in Italy (yes, I know that's not a developing country but example supports my general point) that is very well reputed among economists and that I'm pretty sure is virtually unknown outside the field.",
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"content": "im from Brazil, USP student, and here UBA is actually famous, at least between the med students. But in humanities field only french, german and britsh universities integrates the 'academic pantheon'. Of course this is an elitist shit point of view",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "I've heard that the IITs in India are well known around the world. I'm an undergrad in India and the only thing I know about Brazilian universities is Feynman's description of their method of interviewing candidates in his book \"Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman\"",
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"content": "From Canada, unfortunately I haven’t heard of UdBA before, but I have heard of UNAM once or twice.",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "I'm estadounidense and know of all of those universities you mentioned, but that is because my research is focused on Latin America. I can immediately think of two prominent graduates from your school in my discipline (political science) who are among the biggest names. I'd guess that a typical undergraduate student is very unlikely to have heard of your school, but in a given graduate program--certainly in the social sciences--there will almost always be faculty who have expertise in their topic related to Latin America, and those faculty will know that your school is of high quality. This fact is very important if your research will have anything to do with Latin America, because applications to graduate programs generally refer directly to individuals from the faculty who you'd like to work with. Those people who you might work with are by far the most important for judging your application, and they are the ones who will be able to recognize the high quality of your institution. Even if you are not planning to do research with a regional focus, it doesn't necessarily matter that an application selection committee does not recognize your institution. It is their job to evaluate your application, and if they don't recognize it, they will likely check it's standing and see that it's the best in your country. People in the US are, unfortunately, very focused on prestige of those institutions mentioned in other posts, but they aren't so biased that they don't understand that talented and well-educated people don't exist in every country. What's your discipline? Will your research be region-oriented toward Latin America?",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "I've heard that the IITs in India are well known around the world. I'm an undergrad in India and the only thing I know about Brazilian universities is Feynman's description of their method of interviewing candidates in his book \"Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman\"",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "There’s a prof in my department (USA) who did undergrad and PhD there.",
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"content": "I've heard that the IITs in India are well known around the world. I'm an undergrad in India and the only thing I know about Brazilian universities is Feynman's description of their method of interviewing candidates in his book \"Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman\"",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "I am from the US and went to the UBA for grad school. Studied at the Facultad de filosofia y letras at the Puan site.",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "I have, but mostly because I have been to Buenos Aires. I attended a conference there a few years ago. Other than that I don't really see it mentioned.",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "I've heard that the IITs in India are well known around the world. I'm an undergrad in India and the only thing I know about Brazilian universities is Feynman's description of their method of interviewing candidates in his book \"Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman\"",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "I've heard that the IITs in India are well known around the world. I'm an undergrad in India and the only thing I know about Brazilian universities is Feynman's description of their method of interviewing candidates in his book \"Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman\"",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "Look at what universities are the most renowned in your specific field. For example, Karolinka institutet in Sweden is worldwide no1 in medicine, so someone in my field will know its top notch. Ask an engineer in any non Swedish country and they will have no clue it even exists",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "im from Brazil, USP student, and here UBA is actually famous, at least between the med students. But in humanities field only french, german and britsh universities integrates the 'academic pantheon'. Of course this is an elitist shit point of view",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "I've heard of USP because my colleague studied there :) To be honest though the people telling you that UBA is going to help you in your career might still be right, even if UBA does not have layman prestige outside Argentina. Professional networks are much narrower and often do include developing country universities - or even specific advisers or research groups within a university - that are considered high quality, and belonging to such an institution will make it easier for you to advance in that specific profession, even if mentioning where you went to school doesn't make random people gasp. For example, there's a university in Italy (yes, I know that's not a developing country but example supports my general point) that is very well reputed among economists and that I'm pretty sure is virtually unknown outside the field.",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "im from Brazil, USP student, and here UBA is actually famous, at least between the med students. But in humanities field only french, german and britsh universities integrates the 'academic pantheon'. Of course this is an elitist shit point of view",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "I've heard of USP because my colleague studied there :) To be honest though the people telling you that UBA is going to help you in your career might still be right, even if UBA does not have layman prestige outside Argentina. Professional networks are much narrower and often do include developing country universities - or even specific advisers or research groups within a university - that are considered high quality, and belonging to such an institution will make it easier for you to advance in that specific profession, even if mentioning where you went to school doesn't make random people gasp. For example, there's a university in Italy (yes, I know that's not a developing country but example supports my general point) that is very well reputed among economists and that I'm pretty sure is virtually unknown outside the field.",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "I am from the US and went to the UBA for grad school. Studied at the Facultad de filosofia y letras at the Puan site.",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I've heard of USP because my colleague studied there :) To be honest though the people telling you that UBA is going to help you in your career might still be right, even if UBA does not have layman prestige outside Argentina. Professional networks are much narrower and often do include developing country universities - or even specific advisers or research groups within a university - that are considered high quality, and belonging to such an institution will make it easier for you to advance in that specific profession, even if mentioning where you went to school doesn't make random people gasp. For example, there's a university in Italy (yes, I know that's not a developing country but example supports my general point) that is very well reputed among economists and that I'm pretty sure is virtually unknown outside the field.",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "im from Brazil, USP student, and here UBA is actually famous, at least between the med students. But in humanities field only french, german and britsh universities integrates the 'academic pantheon'. Of course this is an elitist shit point of view",
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"content": "im from Brazil, USP student, and here UBA is actually famous, at least between the med students. But in humanities field only french, german and britsh universities integrates the 'academic pantheon'. Of course this is an elitist shit point of view",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "From Canada, unfortunately I haven’t heard of UdBA before, but I have heard of UNAM once or twice.",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "From Canada, unfortunately I haven’t heard of UdBA before, but I have heard of UNAM once or twice.",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "I'm estadounidense and know of all of those universities you mentioned, but that is because my research is focused on Latin America. I can immediately think of two prominent graduates from your school in my discipline (political science) who are among the biggest names. I'd guess that a typical undergraduate student is very unlikely to have heard of your school, but in a given graduate program--certainly in the social sciences--there will almost always be faculty who have expertise in their topic related to Latin America, and those faculty will know that your school is of high quality. This fact is very important if your research will have anything to do with Latin America, because applications to graduate programs generally refer directly to individuals from the faculty who you'd like to work with. Those people who you might work with are by far the most important for judging your application, and they are the ones who will be able to recognize the high quality of your institution. Even if you are not planning to do research with a regional focus, it doesn't necessarily matter that an application selection committee does not recognize your institution. It is their job to evaluate your application, and if they don't recognize it, they will likely check it's standing and see that it's the best in your country. People in the US are, unfortunately, very focused on prestige of those institutions mentioned in other posts, but they aren't so biased that they don't understand that talented and well-educated people don't exist in every country. What's your discipline? Will your research be region-oriented toward Latin America?",
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"content": "Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks.",
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"content": "I'm estadounidense and know of all of those universities you mentioned, but that is because my research is focused on Latin America. I can immediately think of two prominent graduates from your school in my discipline (political science) who are among the biggest names. I'd guess that a typical undergraduate student is very unlikely to have heard of your school, but in a given graduate program--certainly in the social sciences--there will almost always be faculty who have expertise in their topic related to Latin America, and those faculty will know that your school is of high quality. This fact is very important if your research will have anything to do with Latin America, because applications to graduate programs generally refer directly to individuals from the faculty who you'd like to work with. Those people who you might work with are by far the most important for judging your application, and they are the ones who will be able to recognize the high quality of your institution. Even if you are not planning to do research with a regional focus, it doesn't necessarily matter that an application selection committee does not recognize your institution. It is their job to evaluate your application, and if they don't recognize it, they will likely check it's standing and see that it's the best in your country. People in the US are, unfortunately, very focused on prestige of those institutions mentioned in other posts, but they aren't so biased that they don't understand that talented and well-educated people don't exist in every country. What's your discipline? Will your research be region-oriented toward Latin America?",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "I'm estadounidense and know of all of those universities you mentioned, but that is because my research is focused on Latin America. I can immediately think of two prominent graduates from your school in my discipline (political science) who are among the biggest names. I'd guess that a typical undergraduate student is very unlikely to have heard of your school, but in a given graduate program--certainly in the social sciences--there will almost always be faculty who have expertise in their topic related to Latin America, and those faculty will know that your school is of high quality. This fact is very important if your research will have anything to do with Latin America, because applications to graduate programs generally refer directly to individuals from the faculty who you'd like to work with. Those people who you might work with are by far the most important for judging your application, and they are the ones who will be able to recognize the high quality of your institution. Even if you are not planning to do research with a regional focus, it doesn't necessarily matter that an application selection committee does not recognize your institution. It is their job to evaluate your application, and if they don't recognize it, they will likely check it's standing and see that it's the best in your country. People in the US are, unfortunately, very focused on prestige of those institutions mentioned in other posts, but they aren't so biased that they don't understand that talented and well-educated people don't exist in every country. What's your discipline? Will your research be region-oriented toward Latin America?",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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"content": "I have, but mostly because I have been to Buenos Aires. I attended a conference there a few years ago. Other than that I don't really see it mentioned.",
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Universities from developing countries are renown abroad? Hey, People in my (developing) country highly praise the University of Buenos Aires, stating it is really important internationally, that we've won some Nobel prizes, as well as most of Argentinian presidents being former students from this institution. Also, it is said that when you are moving abroad it actually makes the difference to hold this name on your CV. I wanted to know if you have heard about the Universidad de Buenos Aires before, or any other in such countries (UNAM in Mexico, USP in Brazil, etc.) Thanks. | 50e2b19122cf04018be5c97b369cf275b20aeb7609a58c09d5038395ba9b8d67 | [
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Is anyone planning to leave academia early and do something else? I've been in academia a few years since achieving my PhD, and I don't know if I can sustain the level of expected output forever without making huge sacrifices in other areas of my life. So this got me thinking that this may not be a forever thing for me. Is anyone else in the same boat? If so, what's your exit plan? What are your plans for the future? | 87194f96dd0e6f0d1bb9141c0693585116901b87cbb560bb12562adc1b3a5cf7 | [
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"content": "Same boat ... I'm looking into industry jobs / insight fellow program",
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"content": "I’m planning on being out at the end of the year. I’m teaching remotely this semester and taking the time to apply for other jobs. I’ve already started and the only problem is that I studied/teach English and all those jokes from college about not being able to get a job have started to seem too real lol",
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"content": "I left academia for industry about a year after my PhD and started working at a tech startup. Best decision I could have made, imo, and I’m much happier now. Please let me know if you have any questions; I don’t know if I’ll have all (or many) of the answers, as it was a rough process, but happy to lend an ear and my experiences.",
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"content": "I’m planning on being out at the end of the year. I’m teaching remotely this semester and taking the time to apply for other jobs. I’ve already started and the only problem is that I studied/teach English and all those jokes from college about not being able to get a job have started to seem too real lol",
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"content": "I left academia for industry about a year after my PhD and started working at a tech startup. Best decision I could have made, imo, and I’m much happier now. Please let me know if you have any questions; I don’t know if I’ll have all (or many) of the answers, as it was a rough process, but happy to lend an ear and my experiences.",
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"content": "I left academia for industry about a year after my PhD and started working at a tech startup. Best decision I could have made, imo, and I’m much happier now. Please let me know if you have any questions; I don’t know if I’ll have all (or many) of the answers, as it was a rough process, but happy to lend an ear and my experiences.",
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"content": "The conclusions I've got from this thread are - A) Go for a non-thesis masters B) Give up everything and pursue photography xD",
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"content": "I left academia for industry about a year after my PhD and started working at a tech startup. Best decision I could have made, imo, and I’m much happier now. Please let me know if you have any questions; I don’t know if I’ll have all (or many) of the answers, as it was a rough process, but happy to lend an ear and my experiences.",
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"content": "I left academia for industry about a year after my PhD and started working at a tech startup. Best decision I could have made, imo, and I’m much happier now. Please let me know if you have any questions; I don’t know if I’ll have all (or many) of the answers, as it was a rough process, but happy to lend an ear and my experiences.",
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"content": "Production output is one thing. Some people produce more and other less. But academia has some problems that may be more noticeable than industry and others that are the same. I worry more about low paying staff that are working really hard because other staff are not doing their work. etc. There are problems and stressful. Concentrate in your research but if you are not happy, there are other type of jobs. I’m not sure what my future holds but as of today, I will stay in academia.",
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"content": "I left academia for industry about a year after my PhD and started working at a tech startup. Best decision I could have made, imo, and I’m much happier now. Please let me know if you have any questions; I don’t know if I’ll have all (or many) of the answers, as it was a rough process, but happy to lend an ear and my experiences.",
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"content": "no way, i love being a post doc.",
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"content": "I’ve been considering this ever since I started my PhD. That’s done now and I scored a 3 year post-doc. I just can’t come to a conclusion what I want and what’s the best for my family. One big issue is that industry in my field pays way less than academia and I’m not sure how I feel about a 30% pay cut, especially now that our first child is on his way.",
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"content": "I exited by taking a postdoc position in big pharma. I plan to stay in industry. This probably depends on the company and department. There is pressure on me in particular to publish mainly because I am the first postdoc in the department and they will not consider hiring me until I have at least one publication (they want to set some standards). My work-life balance is infinitely better (I really didn't have balance before). My work environment is not toxic (there is 1 or 2 somewhat toxic people but I don't have to interact with them much). My PhD lab was super toxic. The pay and the benefits are also better. My husband used to get on my case about how much I worked before (work at home in the evening/night; go in on weekends/holidays; work at home on the weekend). Now, if I need to go in on a weekend or do something at home in the evening or weekend, he does not mind so much 1 because I don't do this any where near as frequently as when I was in academia and 2 because apparently I am clearly less anxious and more happy than I was before. My former advisor was super mad when I left. She wanted me to stay for at least 1 more year in her lab and apply for the NIH F32. I just couldn't take it anymore. So what, my name got burried in the middle of the lab's last publication when I know that I contributed way more than most poeple ahead of me on the author list. At least if someone questions the veracity of the data, it's not my problem anymore.",
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"content": "Me. I’ve had a bit of a revelation recently that I don’t want to have to fight to stay in academia. I submitted a fellowship application at the start of COVID but even if that is funded I have to do it all over again in 3 years with the added pressure of getting a high impact publication out. I’m 27, engaged and don’t see how I can feasibly have children in the near future whilst in this job. I want to move to industry but away from the lab bench. I’m applying for Medical Science Liaison jobs in my therapeutic area. Great money and benefits, get to stay within the area of science I find interesting get to be involved in clinical trials. It involves travel which doesn’t bother me too much and you have to be able to communicate well with doctors. It ticks a lot of boxes for me and it’s where I want my career to head.",
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"content": "I exited by taking a postdoc position in big pharma. I plan to stay in industry. This probably depends on the company and department. There is pressure on me in particular to publish mainly because I am the first postdoc in the department and they will not consider hiring me until I have at least one publication (they want to set some standards). My work-life balance is infinitely better (I really didn't have balance before). My work environment is not toxic (there is 1 or 2 somewhat toxic people but I don't have to interact with them much). My PhD lab was super toxic. The pay and the benefits are also better. My husband used to get on my case about how much I worked before (work at home in the evening/night; go in on weekends/holidays; work at home on the weekend). Now, if I need to go in on a weekend or do something at home in the evening or weekend, he does not mind so much 1 because I don't do this any where near as frequently as when I was in academia and 2 because apparently I am clearly less anxious and more happy than I was before. My former advisor was super mad when I left. She wanted me to stay for at least 1 more year in her lab and apply for the NIH F32. I just couldn't take it anymore. So what, my name got burried in the middle of the lab's last publication when I know that I contributed way more than most poeple ahead of me on the author list. At least if someone questions the veracity of the data, it's not my problem anymore.",
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"content": "I exited by taking a postdoc position in big pharma. I plan to stay in industry. This probably depends on the company and department. There is pressure on me in particular to publish mainly because I am the first postdoc in the department and they will not consider hiring me until I have at least one publication (they want to set some standards). My work-life balance is infinitely better (I really didn't have balance before). My work environment is not toxic (there is 1 or 2 somewhat toxic people but I don't have to interact with them much). My PhD lab was super toxic. The pay and the benefits are also better. My husband used to get on my case about how much I worked before (work at home in the evening/night; go in on weekends/holidays; work at home on the weekend). Now, if I need to go in on a weekend or do something at home in the evening or weekend, he does not mind so much 1 because I don't do this any where near as frequently as when I was in academia and 2 because apparently I am clearly less anxious and more happy than I was before. My former advisor was super mad when I left. She wanted me to stay for at least 1 more year in her lab and apply for the NIH F32. I just couldn't take it anymore. So what, my name got burried in the middle of the lab's last publication when I know that I contributed way more than most poeple ahead of me on the author list. At least if someone questions the veracity of the data, it's not my problem anymore.",
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"content": "I found out this year I can teach math at the high school 2 miles away for 20k more than teaching economics at my university that’s an hour away, so I’ve been thinking a bit. School year would be longer but having a union to limit outside of school work and no publishing pressure sounds nice.",
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"content": "I exited by taking a postdoc position in big pharma. I plan to stay in industry. This probably depends on the company and department. There is pressure on me in particular to publish mainly because I am the first postdoc in the department and they will not consider hiring me until I have at least one publication (they want to set some standards). My work-life balance is infinitely better (I really didn't have balance before). My work environment is not toxic (there is 1 or 2 somewhat toxic people but I don't have to interact with them much). My PhD lab was super toxic. The pay and the benefits are also better. My husband used to get on my case about how much I worked before (work at home in the evening/night; go in on weekends/holidays; work at home on the weekend). Now, if I need to go in on a weekend or do something at home in the evening or weekend, he does not mind so much 1 because I don't do this any where near as frequently as when I was in academia and 2 because apparently I am clearly less anxious and more happy than I was before. My former advisor was super mad when I left. She wanted me to stay for at least 1 more year in her lab and apply for the NIH F32. I just couldn't take it anymore. So what, my name got burried in the middle of the lab's last publication when I know that I contributed way more than most poeple ahead of me on the author list. At least if someone questions the veracity of the data, it's not my problem anymore.",
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How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him. | 1c59147f636babe2976c95be8860b7c7dee4bd8069fa3a3fe7e5fe482d5d2958 | [
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
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"content": "It's difficult to give advice without knowing more about what your advisor is doing. What do you mean by \"threatens me and my work\"? If you just mean that your advisor tends to be negative and request revisions that push a defense date back, this is common behavior. If you mean his behavior goes into the realm of \"bullying,\" how does he exhibit this behavior?",
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
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"content": "Speak to the department chair or college dean.",
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "It's difficult to give advice without knowing more about what your advisor is doing. What do you mean by \"threatens me and my work\"? If you just mean that your advisor tends to be negative and request revisions that push a defense date back, this is common behavior. If you mean his behavior goes into the realm of \"bullying,\" how does he exhibit this behavior?",
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How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him. | 1c59147f636babe2976c95be8860b7c7dee4bd8069fa3a3fe7e5fe482d5d2958 | [
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "It's difficult to give advice without knowing more about what your advisor is doing. What do you mean by \"threatens me and my work\"? If you just mean that your advisor tends to be negative and request revisions that push a defense date back, this is common behavior. If you mean his behavior goes into the realm of \"bullying,\" how does he exhibit this behavior?",
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Maybe contact the ombundsman",
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "It's difficult to give advice without knowing more about what your advisor is doing. What do you mean by \"threatens me and my work\"? If you just mean that your advisor tends to be negative and request revisions that push a defense date back, this is common behavior. If you mean his behavior goes into the realm of \"bullying,\" how does he exhibit this behavior?",
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How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him. | 1c59147f636babe2976c95be8860b7c7dee4bd8069fa3a3fe7e5fe482d5d2958 | [
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
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"content": "Get them damn papers first. You can take the fight from there.",
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "I understand your pain. I had a math advisor who told me to quit twice and to change my program once. Instead of being critical of her, I became curious and wanted to understand her more. She was an older advisor who grew up in a different era of math. She was so strict and unrelenting when it came to expectations. I had to draw boundaries when she would make comments that would normally hurt my feelings and i turned it into motivation. She was identifying an area i needed more work in. Still to this day I wish her happy birthday and get updates on what she is doing. I closed that chapter in my life and accepted that she was a tough sob because she knew i could take and excel.",
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
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"content": "Get them damn papers first. You can take the fight from there.",
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How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him. | 1c59147f636babe2976c95be8860b7c7dee4bd8069fa3a3fe7e5fe482d5d2958 | [
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Get them damn papers first. You can take the fight from there.",
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Speak to the department chair or college dean.",
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "Get them damn papers first. You can take the fight from there.",
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How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him. | 1c59147f636babe2976c95be8860b7c7dee4bd8069fa3a3fe7e5fe482d5d2958 | [
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "Get them damn papers first. You can take the fight from there.",
"role": "assistant"
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Maybe contact the ombundsman",
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "Get them damn papers first. You can take the fight from there.",
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How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him. | 1c59147f636babe2976c95be8860b7c7dee4bd8069fa3a3fe7e5fe482d5d2958 | [
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "I understand your pain. I had a math advisor who told me to quit twice and to change my program once. Instead of being critical of her, I became curious and wanted to understand her more. She was an older advisor who grew up in a different era of math. She was so strict and unrelenting when it came to expectations. I had to draw boundaries when she would make comments that would normally hurt my feelings and i turned it into motivation. She was identifying an area i needed more work in. Still to this day I wish her happy birthday and get updates on what she is doing. I closed that chapter in my life and accepted that she was a tough sob because she knew i could take and excel.",
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "Speak to the department chair or college dean.",
"role": "assistant"
}
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "I understand your pain. I had a math advisor who told me to quit twice and to change my program once. Instead of being critical of her, I became curious and wanted to understand her more. She was an older advisor who grew up in a different era of math. She was so strict and unrelenting when it came to expectations. I had to draw boundaries when she would make comments that would normally hurt my feelings and i turned it into motivation. She was identifying an area i needed more work in. Still to this day I wish her happy birthday and get updates on what she is doing. I closed that chapter in my life and accepted that she was a tough sob because she knew i could take and excel.",
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How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him. | 1c59147f636babe2976c95be8860b7c7dee4bd8069fa3a3fe7e5fe482d5d2958 | [
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "I understand your pain. I had a math advisor who told me to quit twice and to change my program once. Instead of being critical of her, I became curious and wanted to understand her more. She was an older advisor who grew up in a different era of math. She was so strict and unrelenting when it came to expectations. I had to draw boundaries when she would make comments that would normally hurt my feelings and i turned it into motivation. She was identifying an area i needed more work in. Still to this day I wish her happy birthday and get updates on what she is doing. I closed that chapter in my life and accepted that she was a tough sob because she knew i could take and excel.",
"role": "assistant"
}
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Maybe contact the ombundsman",
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
},
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"content": "I understand your pain. I had a math advisor who told me to quit twice and to change my program once. Instead of being critical of her, I became curious and wanted to understand her more. She was an older advisor who grew up in a different era of math. She was so strict and unrelenting when it came to expectations. I had to draw boundaries when she would make comments that would normally hurt my feelings and i turned it into motivation. She was identifying an area i needed more work in. Still to this day I wish her happy birthday and get updates on what she is doing. I closed that chapter in my life and accepted that she was a tough sob because she knew i could take and excel.",
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How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him. | 1c59147f636babe2976c95be8860b7c7dee4bd8069fa3a3fe7e5fe482d5d2958 | [
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "If other people are aware and aren’t doing anything about it, then maybe they aren’t “bullying” you. Perhaps it’s just blunt criticism",
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Speak to the department chair or college dean.",
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "If other people are aware and aren’t doing anything about it, then maybe they aren’t “bullying” you. Perhaps it’s just blunt criticism",
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How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him. | 1c59147f636babe2976c95be8860b7c7dee4bd8069fa3a3fe7e5fe482d5d2958 | [
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"content": "How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "If other people are aware and aren’t doing anything about it, then maybe they aren’t “bullying” you. Perhaps it’s just blunt criticism",
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How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him. | 1c59147f636babe2976c95be8860b7c7dee4bd8069fa3a3fe7e5fe482d5d2958 | [
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How to overcome bullying in academia Without backlash? My thesis advisor verbally threatens me and my work. This has happened with other of his thesis students and the supervisors and committee are aware and won’t do anything about it. I have options for a PhD and I’m worried of not being able to apply without his letter of recommendation. I am trying to keep going but it’s getting bizarre and I don’t know what is the right thing to do. A little context: I’m in the second year of my masters degree and the due date for the defense keeps getting posponed because of him. | 1c59147f636babe2976c95be8860b7c7dee4bd8069fa3a3fe7e5fe482d5d2958 | [
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"content": "In another comment OP said that she’s fresh out of her masters, and here she’s complaining that her advisor keeps postponing the due day. The bullying details are vague - maybe it’s just a criticism and the PI doesn’t think that the completed work is enough for a thesis-based MS. Most if not all MS programs in US allow 100% course-based degree. Also, at least in my field, MS thesis committees are formed just for the defense. Not clear who these supervisors and committees are.",
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How to tell if academia is or isn’t for you? I’m in the first semester of a thesis Master’s in Mechanical Engineering that I started because I struggled to land a job during the pandemic (May 2020 grad). I had no research experience and I think came in with an idealized view of grad school, thinking it’d be manageable because I was successful in undergrad. Needless to say I struggled a lot this first semester. Did well in my courses and progressed in the research but I’m extremely unhappy and my mental health has suffered quite a bit because of the stress, uncertainty about career goals, and some personal things as well. I don’t enjoy the research work at all, it seems like torture after taking all the time to stay on top of courses. I’m definitely not that passionate about engineering, I think it’s mainly a career for me rather than a calling. I’m hanging in but everyday is a struggle and I’ve never been this level of anxious/depressed before. I’m thinking about quitting and doubling my efforts to land a job as things reopen at the tail end of the pandemic to work for awhile to figure out what I do/don’t like. I’m unsure how much of this is just first semester growing pains, and how much is my gut telling me that this isn’t what I want to do right now. I suspect it’s a little of both. Anyone have any similar experiences? I feel like I started grad school with no goals or passion as a backup plan and I’m starting to think it may have been a mistake. Any insight is welcome! | 991911f3e64504c98a01f45f63f9d377ce851525c17e6ad150090b7b2c91efec | [
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"content": "i'm nearing my 5th and final year of my PhD, and I realized academia isn't for me when I started resenting the fact that I had to go home and still think about my chemistry. i just want a normal life, and i don't want to be in this constant circle jerk of people trying to boast how great their research is, try to run a research lab, beg for funding from the government, etc. i want a normal 9-5 and a normal life. but that's just how i personally feel. others may have their own reasons",
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"content": "Well things vary from person to person but I think most of the people that I've known who were fellow graduate students totally loved the courses. That's not to say it wasn't difficult but most of us generally enjoyed the challenges. I mean it's one of those things that you really immerse yourself in and you really enjoy if you belong there. From everything you've said it sounds like you don't. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't finish. And you can probably do a masters that isn't really research heavy. You might want to talk to your advisor but you definitely don't wanna go on for a phD",
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How to tell if academia is or isn’t for you? I’m in the first semester of a thesis Master’s in Mechanical Engineering that I started because I struggled to land a job during the pandemic (May 2020 grad). I had no research experience and I think came in with an idealized view of grad school, thinking it’d be manageable because I was successful in undergrad. Needless to say I struggled a lot this first semester. Did well in my courses and progressed in the research but I’m extremely unhappy and my mental health has suffered quite a bit because of the stress, uncertainty about career goals, and some personal things as well. I don’t enjoy the research work at all, it seems like torture after taking all the time to stay on top of courses. I’m definitely not that passionate about engineering, I think it’s mainly a career for me rather than a calling. I’m hanging in but everyday is a struggle and I’ve never been this level of anxious/depressed before. I’m thinking about quitting and doubling my efforts to land a job as things reopen at the tail end of the pandemic to work for awhile to figure out what I do/don’t like. I’m unsure how much of this is just first semester growing pains, and how much is my gut telling me that this isn’t what I want to do right now. I suspect it’s a little of both. Anyone have any similar experiences? I feel like I started grad school with no goals or passion as a backup plan and I’m starting to think it may have been a mistake. Any insight is welcome! | 991911f3e64504c98a01f45f63f9d377ce851525c17e6ad150090b7b2c91efec | [
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"content": "> I’m thinking about quitting and doubling my efforts to land a job as things reopen at the tail end of the pandemic to work for awhile to figure out what I do/don’t like. that's a good idea. I think there's a lot of good/valid reasons to get a PhD. Some people do it out of some intrinsic sense, because they love research or a challenge, some out of an extrinsic goal, e.g. because they want to work in academia or a PhD is a good resume boost for them in industry. Probably most people have a mix of these reasons. And imo it's hard to say anything but \"when you know you know\". I think, as long as you're not doing it because you don't know what else to do or out of some unhealthy notion (like that your mom won't love you if you don't get a PhD), it's fine. Also, not being sure that you want the degree is definitely a red flag and a sign that you should take time to figure out what you want. You can always come back - academia will always be there!",
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"content": "Research/education/working from home is unbearable for me. Grad school can be tough, and I imagine that wfh would be really biasing my experiences. But if you are unhappy, just go find a job you like and leave your program. People do it all the time, and definitely doesn’t mean you are a “failure” or anything, you are just learning what you like to do. Grad school is all extra credit anyways and nobody will care if you don’t finish.",
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"content": "If you went into grad school because you thought it was just an extension of undergrad, then of course you're having a hard time. The first semester is usually one of the hardest for everyone and would be especially so if you didn't know what to expect. Of course it is up to you, but it will probably be a bit easier next term so you may want to stay and see! I don't think a master's in mechanical engineering would ever hurt your career. However if you are going into debt for this and aren't sure then I suggest stepping back for a while until you know what you want.",
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"content": "Its difficult to say if you'd be happier if you didn't stay the course. What was your emotional state like before your masters program? If you're the unfortunate host to any lurking mental health issues, any long term stressful situation (like grad school) can potentially exacerbate them. If you truly feel thus is a hollow endeavor, there is no shame in pulling out. If you feel that sticking it out will improve your future AND you have access to mental health resources to soften the blow you're taking, it might be worth sticking with. Thats a big 'if' though, do not underestimate the health risks of long term stress with no reward.",
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"content": "Plenty of good advice in this thread already, some of this is a little redundant but adding my story just in case: * Job search/job market wise, getting a master's degree is probably worth it. I assume it's a 2-year program? So you're already 25% of the way there. If you definitely hate academia/research then you absolutely do not want to go on for a PhD, but the master's degree will make you more competitive in the job search and give you a starting salary boost. * If you're really not passionate about your research project, then you need to have that conversation sooner rather than later to see if you can switch projects/advisors. It might still be possible in your first semester. If you try to switch after a full year in then it might be too late to do without delaying your graduation. These are guesses on my part, you should talk to the relevant people at your school. This is all assuming (as you mentioned in other comments) you want to keep your funding and not drop research altogether. * Don't feel bad about it being hard. Grad school hit me in the face like a brick. I thought I was smart as an undergrad because I was good at taking tests. I got to grad school and found out I could not approach open-ended problems on my own. It was hard. I dropped a class for the first time in my life because I had no idea what was going on. I adjusted though, and I think you can too in your second semester, if you take the points above into account. * Mechanical engineering is an incredibly versatile degree. Plenty of people get engineering degrees and then go into business/consulting/law etc. You're good at math and solving problems. So if you aren't actually that passionate about the engineering and don't want to design cars/airplanes/robots/whatever, you still have a ton of options. Hope that helps!",
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"content": "Well things vary from person to person but I think most of the people that I've known who were fellow graduate students totally loved the courses. That's not to say it wasn't difficult but most of us generally enjoyed the challenges. I mean it's one of those things that you really immerse yourself in and you really enjoy if you belong there. From everything you've said it sounds like you don't. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't finish. And you can probably do a masters that isn't really research heavy. You might want to talk to your advisor but you definitely don't wanna go on for a phD",
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"content": "Plenty of good advice in this thread already, some of this is a little redundant but adding my story just in case: * Job search/job market wise, getting a master's degree is probably worth it. I assume it's a 2-year program? So you're already 25% of the way there. If you definitely hate academia/research then you absolutely do not want to go on for a PhD, but the master's degree will make you more competitive in the job search and give you a starting salary boost. * If you're really not passionate about your research project, then you need to have that conversation sooner rather than later to see if you can switch projects/advisors. It might still be possible in your first semester. If you try to switch after a full year in then it might be too late to do without delaying your graduation. These are guesses on my part, you should talk to the relevant people at your school. This is all assuming (as you mentioned in other comments) you want to keep your funding and not drop research altogether. * Don't feel bad about it being hard. Grad school hit me in the face like a brick. I thought I was smart as an undergrad because I was good at taking tests. I got to grad school and found out I could not approach open-ended problems on my own. It was hard. I dropped a class for the first time in my life because I had no idea what was going on. I adjusted though, and I think you can too in your second semester, if you take the points above into account. * Mechanical engineering is an incredibly versatile degree. Plenty of people get engineering degrees and then go into business/consulting/law etc. You're good at math and solving problems. So if you aren't actually that passionate about the engineering and don't want to design cars/airplanes/robots/whatever, you still have a ton of options. Hope that helps!",
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"content": "> I’m thinking about quitting and doubling my efforts to land a job as things reopen at the tail end of the pandemic to work for awhile to figure out what I do/don’t like. that's a good idea. I think there's a lot of good/valid reasons to get a PhD. Some people do it out of some intrinsic sense, because they love research or a challenge, some out of an extrinsic goal, e.g. because they want to work in academia or a PhD is a good resume boost for them in industry. Probably most people have a mix of these reasons. And imo it's hard to say anything but \"when you know you know\". I think, as long as you're not doing it because you don't know what else to do or out of some unhealthy notion (like that your mom won't love you if you don't get a PhD), it's fine. Also, not being sure that you want the degree is definitely a red flag and a sign that you should take time to figure out what you want. You can always come back - academia will always be there!",
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"content": "Research/education/working from home is unbearable for me. Grad school can be tough, and I imagine that wfh would be really biasing my experiences. But if you are unhappy, just go find a job you like and leave your program. People do it all the time, and definitely doesn’t mean you are a “failure” or anything, you are just learning what you like to do. Grad school is all extra credit anyways and nobody will care if you don’t finish.",
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"content": "Plenty of good advice in this thread already, some of this is a little redundant but adding my story just in case: * Job search/job market wise, getting a master's degree is probably worth it. I assume it's a 2-year program? So you're already 25% of the way there. If you definitely hate academia/research then you absolutely do not want to go on for a PhD, but the master's degree will make you more competitive in the job search and give you a starting salary boost. * If you're really not passionate about your research project, then you need to have that conversation sooner rather than later to see if you can switch projects/advisors. It might still be possible in your first semester. If you try to switch after a full year in then it might be too late to do without delaying your graduation. These are guesses on my part, you should talk to the relevant people at your school. This is all assuming (as you mentioned in other comments) you want to keep your funding and not drop research altogether. * Don't feel bad about it being hard. Grad school hit me in the face like a brick. I thought I was smart as an undergrad because I was good at taking tests. I got to grad school and found out I could not approach open-ended problems on my own. It was hard. I dropped a class for the first time in my life because I had no idea what was going on. I adjusted though, and I think you can too in your second semester, if you take the points above into account. * Mechanical engineering is an incredibly versatile degree. Plenty of people get engineering degrees and then go into business/consulting/law etc. You're good at math and solving problems. So if you aren't actually that passionate about the engineering and don't want to design cars/airplanes/robots/whatever, you still have a ton of options. Hope that helps!",
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"content": "Start applying for jobs ASAP. If you find a good job, leave. If not, consider sticking it out so that you can a) explain what you were doing for a good chunk of time, and b) become more employable. I wouldn't leave without a job; you have an overall great situation since you are not going into debt and are also gaining a useful degree. You can also consider telling your advisor you hate your research and seeing if there's anything else you can do; many of us have dropped research projects b/c we didn't like them or weren't interested in them and that's nothing to be ashamed of if there's something else you can start working on instead that will still be productive but less torturous. If engineering is already a career and not a calling then I don't see how this will be *that* different than a job. It's totally valid to work for work's sake and find your passions out of work—but if that's the case, then you really will have to make your peace with struggling through some aspects of it because they're expected of you. To me it doesn't seem like it matters too much if that aspect is research, or other boring components of an industry job that you may not relish. Grad school is also a good time and place to figure out how to maintain work/life balance. This can vary if your PI is awful, but if they're a nice normal person then this is a good time to learn how to balance your work (which you may not always love) with your life (which may provide you more fulfillment). That is a skill you can take with you beyond your degree. If you're spending too much of your time working this may explain why you are miserable—I'd do my best to stick to 40 hrs a week including both classes and research. If you're doing more, that's probably part of the problem (because you're not getting to do all the other fun things in life!) Of course I'm not in your shoes and don't know just how much you dislike the research vs. boring components of other jobs. But I wouldn't leave without something else lined up. As you mention in comments, you are correct—the earlier you leave the better for everyone. So ideally you can secure a job now and dip out. And as others are saying, the first year ANYWHERE new is really tough from a lot of angles. So part of what you are experiencing is probably totally normal and I hazard a guess that if you talk to others in your program you will hear very similar things (at least, that is what always happened when I talked to other students in my program—we were all struggling with pretty much the same thing). That's not to say you should stay, but at least a small portion of it might just be getting used to your new context. I'd guess that most grad students think seriously about quitting at least once in their first year...most of them, probably more than once. And probably also beyond their first year.",
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"content": "Its difficult to say if you'd be happier if you didn't stay the course. What was your emotional state like before your masters program? If you're the unfortunate host to any lurking mental health issues, any long term stressful situation (like grad school) can potentially exacerbate them. If you truly feel thus is a hollow endeavor, there is no shame in pulling out. If you feel that sticking it out will improve your future AND you have access to mental health resources to soften the blow you're taking, it might be worth sticking with. Thats a big 'if' though, do not underestimate the health risks of long term stress with no reward.",
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"content": "Plenty of good advice in this thread already, some of this is a little redundant but adding my story just in case: * Job search/job market wise, getting a master's degree is probably worth it. I assume it's a 2-year program? So you're already 25% of the way there. If you definitely hate academia/research then you absolutely do not want to go on for a PhD, but the master's degree will make you more competitive in the job search and give you a starting salary boost. * If you're really not passionate about your research project, then you need to have that conversation sooner rather than later to see if you can switch projects/advisors. It might still be possible in your first semester. If you try to switch after a full year in then it might be too late to do without delaying your graduation. These are guesses on my part, you should talk to the relevant people at your school. This is all assuming (as you mentioned in other comments) you want to keep your funding and not drop research altogether. * Don't feel bad about it being hard. Grad school hit me in the face like a brick. I thought I was smart as an undergrad because I was good at taking tests. I got to grad school and found out I could not approach open-ended problems on my own. It was hard. I dropped a class for the first time in my life because I had no idea what was going on. I adjusted though, and I think you can too in your second semester, if you take the points above into account. * Mechanical engineering is an incredibly versatile degree. Plenty of people get engineering degrees and then go into business/consulting/law etc. You're good at math and solving problems. So if you aren't actually that passionate about the engineering and don't want to design cars/airplanes/robots/whatever, you still have a ton of options. Hope that helps!",
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"content": "Well things vary from person to person but I think most of the people that I've known who were fellow graduate students totally loved the courses. That's not to say it wasn't difficult but most of us generally enjoyed the challenges. I mean it's one of those things that you really immerse yourself in and you really enjoy if you belong there. From everything you've said it sounds like you don't. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't finish. And you can probably do a masters that isn't really research heavy. You might want to talk to your advisor but you definitely don't wanna go on for a phD",
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"content": "> I’m thinking about quitting and doubling my efforts to land a job as things reopen at the tail end of the pandemic to work for awhile to figure out what I do/don’t like. that's a good idea. I think there's a lot of good/valid reasons to get a PhD. Some people do it out of some intrinsic sense, because they love research or a challenge, some out of an extrinsic goal, e.g. because they want to work in academia or a PhD is a good resume boost for them in industry. Probably most people have a mix of these reasons. And imo it's hard to say anything but \"when you know you know\". I think, as long as you're not doing it because you don't know what else to do or out of some unhealthy notion (like that your mom won't love you if you don't get a PhD), it's fine. Also, not being sure that you want the degree is definitely a red flag and a sign that you should take time to figure out what you want. You can always come back - academia will always be there!",
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"content": "Research/education/working from home is unbearable for me. Grad school can be tough, and I imagine that wfh would be really biasing my experiences. But if you are unhappy, just go find a job you like and leave your program. People do it all the time, and definitely doesn’t mean you are a “failure” or anything, you are just learning what you like to do. Grad school is all extra credit anyways and nobody will care if you don’t finish.",
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"content": "If you went into grad school because you thought it was just an extension of undergrad, then of course you're having a hard time. The first semester is usually one of the hardest for everyone and would be especially so if you didn't know what to expect. Of course it is up to you, but it will probably be a bit easier next term so you may want to stay and see! I don't think a master's in mechanical engineering would ever hurt your career. However if you are going into debt for this and aren't sure then I suggest stepping back for a while until you know what you want.",
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"content": "Start applying for jobs ASAP. If you find a good job, leave. If not, consider sticking it out so that you can a) explain what you were doing for a good chunk of time, and b) become more employable. I wouldn't leave without a job; you have an overall great situation since you are not going into debt and are also gaining a useful degree. You can also consider telling your advisor you hate your research and seeing if there's anything else you can do; many of us have dropped research projects b/c we didn't like them or weren't interested in them and that's nothing to be ashamed of if there's something else you can start working on instead that will still be productive but less torturous. If engineering is already a career and not a calling then I don't see how this will be *that* different than a job. It's totally valid to work for work's sake and find your passions out of work—but if that's the case, then you really will have to make your peace with struggling through some aspects of it because they're expected of you. To me it doesn't seem like it matters too much if that aspect is research, or other boring components of an industry job that you may not relish. Grad school is also a good time and place to figure out how to maintain work/life balance. This can vary if your PI is awful, but if they're a nice normal person then this is a good time to learn how to balance your work (which you may not always love) with your life (which may provide you more fulfillment). That is a skill you can take with you beyond your degree. If you're spending too much of your time working this may explain why you are miserable—I'd do my best to stick to 40 hrs a week including both classes and research. If you're doing more, that's probably part of the problem (because you're not getting to do all the other fun things in life!) Of course I'm not in your shoes and don't know just how much you dislike the research vs. boring components of other jobs. But I wouldn't leave without something else lined up. As you mention in comments, you are correct—the earlier you leave the better for everyone. So ideally you can secure a job now and dip out. And as others are saying, the first year ANYWHERE new is really tough from a lot of angles. So part of what you are experiencing is probably totally normal and I hazard a guess that if you talk to others in your program you will hear very similar things (at least, that is what always happened when I talked to other students in my program—we were all struggling with pretty much the same thing). That's not to say you should stay, but at least a small portion of it might just be getting used to your new context. I'd guess that most grad students think seriously about quitting at least once in their first year...most of them, probably more than once. And probably also beyond their first year.",
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"content": "Its difficult to say if you'd be happier if you didn't stay the course. What was your emotional state like before your masters program? If you're the unfortunate host to any lurking mental health issues, any long term stressful situation (like grad school) can potentially exacerbate them. If you truly feel thus is a hollow endeavor, there is no shame in pulling out. If you feel that sticking it out will improve your future AND you have access to mental health resources to soften the blow you're taking, it might be worth sticking with. Thats a big 'if' though, do not underestimate the health risks of long term stress with no reward.",
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"content": "The first piece is liking the research. There's a ton of other aspects that consider, but if you don't enjoy the research, it's not even worth thinking about the rest of it. It can be a career rather than a passion or calling, but it's got to be a career you enjoy or the other downsides are too much to deal with if you don't enjoy the research. (With the one caveat being people who really love the teaching & are targeting teaching positions) That said: nothing wrong with realizing it's not for you! Especially in engineering, you'll have lots of job options as the economy picks back up.",
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"content": "> I’m thinking about quitting and doubling my efforts to land a job as things reopen at the tail end of the pandemic to work for awhile to figure out what I do/don’t like. that's a good idea. I think there's a lot of good/valid reasons to get a PhD. Some people do it out of some intrinsic sense, because they love research or a challenge, some out of an extrinsic goal, e.g. because they want to work in academia or a PhD is a good resume boost for them in industry. Probably most people have a mix of these reasons. And imo it's hard to say anything but \"when you know you know\". I think, as long as you're not doing it because you don't know what else to do or out of some unhealthy notion (like that your mom won't love you if you don't get a PhD), it's fine. Also, not being sure that you want the degree is definitely a red flag and a sign that you should take time to figure out what you want. You can always come back - academia will always be there!",
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"content": "Research/education/working from home is unbearable for me. Grad school can be tough, and I imagine that wfh would be really biasing my experiences. But if you are unhappy, just go find a job you like and leave your program. People do it all the time, and definitely doesn’t mean you are a “failure” or anything, you are just learning what you like to do. Grad school is all extra credit anyways and nobody will care if you don’t finish.",
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"content": "> I’m thinking about quitting and doubling my efforts to land a job as things reopen at the tail end of the pandemic to work for awhile to figure out what I do/don’t like. that's a good idea. I think there's a lot of good/valid reasons to get a PhD. Some people do it out of some intrinsic sense, because they love research or a challenge, some out of an extrinsic goal, e.g. because they want to work in academia or a PhD is a good resume boost for them in industry. Probably most people have a mix of these reasons. And imo it's hard to say anything but \"when you know you know\". I think, as long as you're not doing it because you don't know what else to do or out of some unhealthy notion (like that your mom won't love you if you don't get a PhD), it's fine. Also, not being sure that you want the degree is definitely a red flag and a sign that you should take time to figure out what you want. You can always come back - academia will always be there!",
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"content": "If you went into grad school because you thought it was just an extension of undergrad, then of course you're having a hard time. The first semester is usually one of the hardest for everyone and would be especially so if you didn't know what to expect. Of course it is up to you, but it will probably be a bit easier next term so you may want to stay and see! I don't think a master's in mechanical engineering would ever hurt your career. However if you are going into debt for this and aren't sure then I suggest stepping back for a while until you know what you want.",
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"content": "Its difficult to say if you'd be happier if you didn't stay the course. What was your emotional state like before your masters program? If you're the unfortunate host to any lurking mental health issues, any long term stressful situation (like grad school) can potentially exacerbate them. If you truly feel thus is a hollow endeavor, there is no shame in pulling out. If you feel that sticking it out will improve your future AND you have access to mental health resources to soften the blow you're taking, it might be worth sticking with. Thats a big 'if' though, do not underestimate the health risks of long term stress with no reward.",
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"content": "Start applying for jobs ASAP. If you find a good job, leave. If not, consider sticking it out so that you can a) explain what you were doing for a good chunk of time, and b) become more employable. I wouldn't leave without a job; you have an overall great situation since you are not going into debt and are also gaining a useful degree. You can also consider telling your advisor you hate your research and seeing if there's anything else you can do; many of us have dropped research projects b/c we didn't like them or weren't interested in them and that's nothing to be ashamed of if there's something else you can start working on instead that will still be productive but less torturous. If engineering is already a career and not a calling then I don't see how this will be *that* different than a job. It's totally valid to work for work's sake and find your passions out of work—but if that's the case, then you really will have to make your peace with struggling through some aspects of it because they're expected of you. To me it doesn't seem like it matters too much if that aspect is research, or other boring components of an industry job that you may not relish. Grad school is also a good time and place to figure out how to maintain work/life balance. This can vary if your PI is awful, but if they're a nice normal person then this is a good time to learn how to balance your work (which you may not always love) with your life (which may provide you more fulfillment). That is a skill you can take with you beyond your degree. If you're spending too much of your time working this may explain why you are miserable—I'd do my best to stick to 40 hrs a week including both classes and research. If you're doing more, that's probably part of the problem (because you're not getting to do all the other fun things in life!) Of course I'm not in your shoes and don't know just how much you dislike the research vs. boring components of other jobs. But I wouldn't leave without something else lined up. As you mention in comments, you are correct—the earlier you leave the better for everyone. So ideally you can secure a job now and dip out. And as others are saying, the first year ANYWHERE new is really tough from a lot of angles. So part of what you are experiencing is probably totally normal and I hazard a guess that if you talk to others in your program you will hear very similar things (at least, that is what always happened when I talked to other students in my program—we were all struggling with pretty much the same thing). That's not to say you should stay, but at least a small portion of it might just be getting used to your new context. I'd guess that most grad students think seriously about quitting at least once in their first year...most of them, probably more than once. And probably also beyond their first year.",
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"content": "Its difficult to say if you'd be happier if you didn't stay the course. What was your emotional state like before your masters program? If you're the unfortunate host to any lurking mental health issues, any long term stressful situation (like grad school) can potentially exacerbate them. If you truly feel thus is a hollow endeavor, there is no shame in pulling out. If you feel that sticking it out will improve your future AND you have access to mental health resources to soften the blow you're taking, it might be worth sticking with. Thats a big 'if' though, do not underestimate the health risks of long term stress with no reward.",
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"content": "Start applying for jobs ASAP. If you find a good job, leave. If not, consider sticking it out so that you can a) explain what you were doing for a good chunk of time, and b) become more employable. I wouldn't leave without a job; you have an overall great situation since you are not going into debt and are also gaining a useful degree. You can also consider telling your advisor you hate your research and seeing if there's anything else you can do; many of us have dropped research projects b/c we didn't like them or weren't interested in them and that's nothing to be ashamed of if there's something else you can start working on instead that will still be productive but less torturous. If engineering is already a career and not a calling then I don't see how this will be *that* different than a job. It's totally valid to work for work's sake and find your passions out of work—but if that's the case, then you really will have to make your peace with struggling through some aspects of it because they're expected of you. To me it doesn't seem like it matters too much if that aspect is research, or other boring components of an industry job that you may not relish. Grad school is also a good time and place to figure out how to maintain work/life balance. This can vary if your PI is awful, but if they're a nice normal person then this is a good time to learn how to balance your work (which you may not always love) with your life (which may provide you more fulfillment). That is a skill you can take with you beyond your degree. If you're spending too much of your time working this may explain why you are miserable—I'd do my best to stick to 40 hrs a week including both classes and research. If you're doing more, that's probably part of the problem (because you're not getting to do all the other fun things in life!) Of course I'm not in your shoes and don't know just how much you dislike the research vs. boring components of other jobs. But I wouldn't leave without something else lined up. As you mention in comments, you are correct—the earlier you leave the better for everyone. So ideally you can secure a job now and dip out. And as others are saying, the first year ANYWHERE new is really tough from a lot of angles. So part of what you are experiencing is probably totally normal and I hazard a guess that if you talk to others in your program you will hear very similar things (at least, that is what always happened when I talked to other students in my program—we were all struggling with pretty much the same thing). That's not to say you should stay, but at least a small portion of it might just be getting used to your new context. I'd guess that most grad students think seriously about quitting at least once in their first year...most of them, probably more than once. And probably also beyond their first year.",
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How to tell if academia is or isn’t for you? I’m in the first semester of a thesis Master’s in Mechanical Engineering that I started because I struggled to land a job during the pandemic (May 2020 grad). I had no research experience and I think came in with an idealized view of grad school, thinking it’d be manageable because I was successful in undergrad. Needless to say I struggled a lot this first semester. Did well in my courses and progressed in the research but I’m extremely unhappy and my mental health has suffered quite a bit because of the stress, uncertainty about career goals, and some personal things as well. I don’t enjoy the research work at all, it seems like torture after taking all the time to stay on top of courses. I’m definitely not that passionate about engineering, I think it’s mainly a career for me rather than a calling. I’m hanging in but everyday is a struggle and I’ve never been this level of anxious/depressed before. I’m thinking about quitting and doubling my efforts to land a job as things reopen at the tail end of the pandemic to work for awhile to figure out what I do/don’t like. I’m unsure how much of this is just first semester growing pains, and how much is my gut telling me that this isn’t what I want to do right now. I suspect it’s a little of both. Anyone have any similar experiences? I feel like I started grad school with no goals or passion as a backup plan and I’m starting to think it may have been a mistake. Any insight is welcome! | 991911f3e64504c98a01f45f63f9d377ce851525c17e6ad150090b7b2c91efec | [
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"content": "Question: are you not passionate of (a) your specific research topic in engineering, (b) research in engineering, or (c) research in general? Three different questions to think about. Note (a) is a subset of (b) which is a subset of (c). (a) but not (b): I would advise you to look into other research topics in the engineering field within your department (b) and not (c): I would graduate with the Masters and then go into the industry to find a research problem to work on. Figure out your interests and build more opportunities towards that. Give yourself time to retry the PhD after you figure things out. I personally fall in this category. (c) Graduate with Masters and focus on your engineering career in the industry. For context, I entered a Math PhD program initially wanting to pursue research in number theory. I soon realized that I didn’t really enjoy creating theorems in the field and I enjoyed more applied maths, so I tried to approach my suggestion for (a) not (b). After learning that none of my faculty interests aligned with mine, I left my PhD with my Masters and pursued data science. Now being pretty stable with my career in data science, I am being extra cautious and aware of any research opportunities I find in the industry to feel very rewarding via my ability to contribute. You can find these research opportunities if you ever want to explore the PhD in the future (I am still dabbling but will not commit unless I find a topic that I absolutely love hence why I’m in (b) but not (c) category). You can also stay in the industry and not look back but I knew I love creating something new and beneficial using my math skills (which may not necessarily be research). I’m currently in the grey cloud of still figuring what I want to do five to ten years from now, but what I can say is that being able to distinguish between the three options would give you much more clarity on what you believe is right for you.",
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How to tell if academia is or isn’t for you? I’m in the first semester of a thesis Master’s in Mechanical Engineering that I started because I struggled to land a job during the pandemic (May 2020 grad). I had no research experience and I think came in with an idealized view of grad school, thinking it’d be manageable because I was successful in undergrad. Needless to say I struggled a lot this first semester. Did well in my courses and progressed in the research but I’m extremely unhappy and my mental health has suffered quite a bit because of the stress, uncertainty about career goals, and some personal things as well. I don’t enjoy the research work at all, it seems like torture after taking all the time to stay on top of courses. I’m definitely not that passionate about engineering, I think it’s mainly a career for me rather than a calling. I’m hanging in but everyday is a struggle and I’ve never been this level of anxious/depressed before. I’m thinking about quitting and doubling my efforts to land a job as things reopen at the tail end of the pandemic to work for awhile to figure out what I do/don’t like. I’m unsure how much of this is just first semester growing pains, and how much is my gut telling me that this isn’t what I want to do right now. I suspect it’s a little of both. Anyone have any similar experiences? I feel like I started grad school with no goals or passion as a backup plan and I’m starting to think it may have been a mistake. Any insight is welcome! | 991911f3e64504c98a01f45f63f9d377ce851525c17e6ad150090b7b2c91efec | [
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"content": "I’m in the same boat, been really struggling trying to keep up in classes. Majoring in computer science now after dropping classes last year from majoring in engineering. Although I ended up unemployed on different terms. But I feel lost as well, not really sure what my future is going to look like a year from now, and quite frankly I’m depressed to think about it. But I’m still trying for whatever reason I’m still giving my all.",
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"content": "The first piece is liking the research. There's a ton of other aspects that consider, but if you don't enjoy the research, it's not even worth thinking about the rest of it. It can be a career rather than a passion or calling, but it's got to be a career you enjoy or the other downsides are too much to deal with if you don't enjoy the research. (With the one caveat being people who really love the teaching & are targeting teaching positions) That said: nothing wrong with realizing it's not for you! Especially in engineering, you'll have lots of job options as the economy picks back up.",
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Can an educated patient with a rare disease present and publish self researched interventions? I am not a scientist or healthcare professional. I do have a very rare genetic disease with no therapy or cure. I am university educated ( arts degrees) and self researched and applied lifestyle interventions that were unexpectedly successful. As I track all data regarding my interventions, my medical team and I, as first author, published an article this Spring. As I am acting outside the standard of care for someone with my disease, albeit with proven success, my medical team has now backed away from further research collaboration for ethical and liability reasons. As an informed patient, I am not bound by the same ethical or professional constraints of my medical team. Over the past year, I have progressed the interventions, still outside the standard of care, and I would now like to independently present the results as an N=1 study at a Conference in June. I am uncertain as to the appropriateness of this effort but feel very strongly that the research would be immensely valuable to other patients suffering with the same disease. Currently, there is no cure or therapy for this progressive and debilitating disease and my research might offer some hope for others. Any academic advice on strategies for navigating through the publication process would be very much appreciated. | 508853b766ea0a623d7cde74142994670957f086f753982c66f04726bc07352c | [
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"content": "I think you should contact a Swedish woman, Sara Riggare. webpage She is what i Sweden is called “spetspatient” and her reasoning is that she is the expert of her own disease, not doctors. She is doing a PhD in this area and is very active in promoting patient centered care as well as actually talking to patients.",
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"content": "Can an educated patient with a rare disease present and publish self researched interventions? I am not a scientist or healthcare professional. I do have a very rare genetic disease with no therapy or cure. I am university educated ( arts degrees) and self researched and applied lifestyle interventions that were unexpectedly successful. As I track all data regarding my interventions, my medical team and I, as first author, published an article this Spring. As I am acting outside the standard of care for someone with my disease, albeit with proven success, my medical team has now backed away from further research collaboration for ethical and liability reasons. As an informed patient, I am not bound by the same ethical or professional constraints of my medical team. Over the past year, I have progressed the interventions, still outside the standard of care, and I would now like to independently present the results as an N=1 study at a Conference in June. I am uncertain as to the appropriateness of this effort but feel very strongly that the research would be immensely valuable to other patients suffering with the same disease. Currently, there is no cure or therapy for this progressive and debilitating disease and my research might offer some hope for others. Any academic advice on strategies for navigating through the publication process would be very much appreciated.",
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"content": "At N=1, it will be very hard to draw conclusions from your case. Could you write and subsequently publish a case report on yourself? Sure. I’d read that and I’d find it interesting. It might make me ask questions for a well constructed research study applied to a larger group of people. Most physicians and scientists are not going to trust the results of a “research study” that’s based entirely on one individual. At the core, it’s a statistics problem. On a broader clinical level—you’re one human being. One. People are vastly different for a variety of reasons—it’s almost impossible to draw conclusions from an intervention preformed on a single individual. It is, however, possible to see that an intervention is worth studying on bigger playing field from one individual. Rare disease or not, a true clinical research effort among multiple physicians at multiple hospital centers could gather together a group of you for a research intervention. That’s something the scientific community would put more stock in. So write a case report with yourself as the patient. Publish it. Suggest in your discussion that your modus operandi be tested in a larger patient group.",
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"content": "Well not a academic advice but why don't you make a website and try to reach other people who been suffering from that disease and tell them about your experiences?",
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"content": "Some journals have pretty strict criteria about what they will publish, and may require that a study was approved by an IRB, had an adequate sample size, etc. You may not personally require IRB approval to collect data on yourself, yet a journal could still require IRB approval to publish it. I think you will get more traction if you can develop a collaboration with a professional or team of professionals. However valuable your insights may be, there are good reasons that scientific norms and standards have been put into place, and attempting to bypass them will undermine your ultimate goal.",
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"content": "Agree with the rest of the comments on case reports. Will you be monetizing your intervention? If so, might be worth it to keep quiet about it until you can collaborate with the industry to perhaps explore more robust evidence generation (randomized control trials).",
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"content": "Since you've already published your work in a peer-reviewed journal, under normal circumstances it would be quite normal to present it or an update of it at a conference as well. However, in your case there is the risk of the conference reviewers or (if you're accepted) audience getting the impression that you're some quack who is trying to publish in a medical conference without even any basic medical training. Obviously in the paper this was easy to avoid with the inclusion of your medical team as co-authors. Now that they aren't included, you will need to very carefully prepare your written and verbal material to navigate this situation. When your write your abstract, make sure you heavily reference your own published work along with the rest of the literature in the field. Use phrases like \"As we have demonstrated in our paper...\" more than would be typical in a conference abstract. It might even be worth contacting the chair of the conference or session to explain the unusual authorship situation so they don't think you're omitting your previous co-authors because of some spat or unethical behaviour, but I don't know whehter this is likely to work out. It's hard to tell from your post, of course, how much you yourself have mastered the language used by medical professionals amongst themselves, and whether you're familiar with the format and style of conference papers and presentations in this field. Usually a grad student (for example) would get feedback and revisions from their supervisors on their first few talks before they do them, and they would of course have been also attending talks in the mean time. You could consider asking one of your doctors if they would look over your material with you to ensure you are hitting the right target, if you feel this would be appropriate given your relationship.",
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"content": "At N=1, it will be very hard to draw conclusions from your case. Could you write and subsequently publish a case report on yourself? Sure. I’d read that and I’d find it interesting. It might make me ask questions for a well constructed research study applied to a larger group of people. Most physicians and scientists are not going to trust the results of a “research study” that’s based entirely on one individual. At the core, it’s a statistics problem. On a broader clinical level—you’re one human being. One. People are vastly different for a variety of reasons—it’s almost impossible to draw conclusions from an intervention preformed on a single individual. It is, however, possible to see that an intervention is worth studying on bigger playing field from one individual. Rare disease or not, a true clinical research effort among multiple physicians at multiple hospital centers could gather together a group of you for a research intervention. That’s something the scientific community would put more stock in. So write a case report with yourself as the patient. Publish it. Suggest in your discussion that your modus operandi be tested in a larger patient group.",
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"content": "Well not a academic advice but why don't you make a website and try to reach other people who been suffering from that disease and tell them about your experiences?",
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"content": "Some journals have pretty strict criteria about what they will publish, and may require that a study was approved by an IRB, had an adequate sample size, etc. You may not personally require IRB approval to collect data on yourself, yet a journal could still require IRB approval to publish it. I think you will get more traction if you can develop a collaboration with a professional or team of professionals. However valuable your insights may be, there are good reasons that scientific norms and standards have been put into place, and attempting to bypass them will undermine your ultimate goal.",
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"content": "Agree with the rest of the comments on case reports. Will you be monetizing your intervention? If so, might be worth it to keep quiet about it until you can collaborate with the industry to perhaps explore more robust evidence generation (randomized control trials).",
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"content": "The fact that your medical team has backed away after already publishing with you suggests they're finding this whole thing as weird as you're making it sound, and they just don't want to put their reputation on the line any more than it already is. Being experienced in how it feels to live with a disease =/= being an expert in objectively analysing it, or having the medical training to know *how* to analyse it.",
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"content": "At N=1, it will be very hard to draw conclusions from your case. Could you write and subsequently publish a case report on yourself? Sure. I’d read that and I’d find it interesting. It might make me ask questions for a well constructed research study applied to a larger group of people. Most physicians and scientists are not going to trust the results of a “research study” that’s based entirely on one individual. At the core, it’s a statistics problem. On a broader clinical level—you’re one human being. One. People are vastly different for a variety of reasons—it’s almost impossible to draw conclusions from an intervention preformed on a single individual. It is, however, possible to see that an intervention is worth studying on bigger playing field from one individual. Rare disease or not, a true clinical research effort among multiple physicians at multiple hospital centers could gather together a group of you for a research intervention. That’s something the scientific community would put more stock in. So write a case report with yourself as the patient. Publish it. Suggest in your discussion that your modus operandi be tested in a larger patient group.",
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