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Did any other academics end up taking a more blue-collar career path? I graduated from university with a major in Political Science and a minor in History. I do a lot of work as a Tutor (about 10-40 hours a week, depending on the season and how busy I am with other work) and also occasionally write articles. However, while going to school, I worked in construction to help pay the bills. Even after I graduated, I continued to do a lot of construction work and started my own business (and for the right price, occasionally still help out other companies as well, for the right price). I particularly do a lot of roofing, concrete work, and landscaping. Some people are surprised when they learn about my educational background. While my background helps me get a lot of work during the off-season, the bulk of my income remains from construction work. While I don't really mind the desk work, I love construction because it helps me burn off energy, makes me feel like I'm contributing to society, and keeps me in shape. | f9b2e1aa391a18740aa26e6c4877f505a2d65762471d0851136e36bae6fbcc41 | [
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"content": "This reminds me of a famous quote which I love. > Specialization is for insects. (Robert Heinlein)",
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"content": "I always say, if I ever leave politics, I'll go back into woodworking.",
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"content": "This reminds me of a famous quote which I love. > Specialization is for insects. (Robert Heinlein)",
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"content": "Will be starting Grad school soon. Background in politics but currently working in IT lol",
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"content": "I’m supposed to start grad school soon but I’m currently doing landscaping and thinking of pursuing wildland firefighting. I way prefer the more physical work.",
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"content": "I don't know anybody who actually does this, but one of my labmates used to work in construction and his ultimate goal is running a machine shop, so you're not alone.",
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"content": "I always say, if I ever leave politics, I'll go back into woodworking.",
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"content": "This reminds me of a famous quote which I love. > Specialization is for insects. (Robert Heinlein)",
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"content": "My uncle has an Ivy League degree and now owns a landscaping company. Funny how things work out that way.",
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I think my boss has been playing me and as a result my career is likely ruined. Help? I want to stay in academia, and I have a specific vision for my work. When I joined the lab (2nd postdoc), my boss made promises of mentorship and support to reach my career goals. Since then: \- I had a big grant rejected, which could have been avoided had she not pressured me to add more and more experiments that I have no expertise in, claiming that the collaborators would be enough to convince the reviewers. I found out the hard way that that's BS \- I then got another grant for 2 years with the possibility to hire my own PhD student, if she had promised to pay the third year. She told me she had no idea if she would be able to pay, which ended up in me getting a TA instead. I then found out that she offered a PhD student to another postdoc with the same funding as me a couple of months later \- She was dismissive of my ideas to the point that I was seriously doubting myself, until I received good feedback from our collaborators. Then she was interested. Now she's trying to push her own unfounded, sloppy ideas into my story and is threatening me that if I don't work on this aspect she has no interest in keeping me \- She blocked a collaboration that I made with an industry partner at a conference, saying she has no interest in it and the idea is 'stupid' (its not). She then uses my contact to ask for something completely different and not related to my research and expects me to do the experiments. In the emails she switched from english to her mother language and even sent one without me in Cc which I later saw in the thread, saying that I work for her in a very condescending tone \- I have been asking her consistently for other projects since I didn't publish since my last postdoc (4 years, hoping to submit this year). She keeps giving me dead-end mini projects she knows won't be published. There are other opportunities in the lab that she is not including me in, saying I will get 'distracted' \- She blocked me from publishing because we got 1 (ONE) editor rejection from a high impact journal, so now I am working overtime for more functional experiments that would make it 'interesting enough' for publishing, so I can finally submit and apply for other positions while in review \- she's arguing with me in front of other people, via email or in online meetings, anything I say is wrong, she's constantly putting me down given the chance and it's awkward and embarrassing. \- she argues with me for not telling her absolutely everything, even though I started with the aim to build up to independence. This includes applications for conferences and discussions with other PIs in the institute \- she yelled at me several times for spending too much money for my project, whereas another colleague is spending 10x more but that's apparently ok because it's my boss' ideas. We are working in one of the most funded institutes where money shouldn't be an issue \- if I confront her about anything she gets super defensive, aggressive even, and I'm afraid to say anything in case it makes things worse. I told her I am applying for faculty positions (with a preprint), and she sent her references, but now I am really worried that she will ruin me. I always had good feedback from other PIs and collaborators but she broke me down so much, I am doubting my abilities as a scientist, and I am getting bitter and jealous of other postdocs who have OK projects but are getting ahead because they have the right support/ contacts (as I said, well funded institute). Ultimately I feel like I am missing out on productive and fun scientific discussion and real mentorship, scientific and otherwise, and I am worried that I am not equipped for the next step because of it. I still have a tiny slither of hope but I don't know for how much longer. Several people have left the lab already for similar reasons apart from her now 'star postdoc' who is wasting tons of money. Her PhD students all left (or will leave) academia. Am I doomed? | f3aead9610d2931d0fceef14851fb5c4627c6d0db7b07b1d3276f4629b8a0986 | [
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I think my boss has been playing me and as a result my career is likely ruined. Help? I want to stay in academia, and I have a specific vision for my work. When I joined the lab (2nd postdoc), my boss made promises of mentorship and support to reach my career goals. Since then: \- I had a big grant rejected, which could have been avoided had she not pressured me to add more and more experiments that I have no expertise in, claiming that the collaborators would be enough to convince the reviewers. I found out the hard way that that's BS \- I then got another grant for 2 years with the possibility to hire my own PhD student, if she had promised to pay the third year. She told me she had no idea if she would be able to pay, which ended up in me getting a TA instead. I then found out that she offered a PhD student to another postdoc with the same funding as me a couple of months later \- She was dismissive of my ideas to the point that I was seriously doubting myself, until I received good feedback from our collaborators. Then she was interested. Now she's trying to push her own unfounded, sloppy ideas into my story and is threatening me that if I don't work on this aspect she has no interest in keeping me \- She blocked a collaboration that I made with an industry partner at a conference, saying she has no interest in it and the idea is 'stupid' (its not). She then uses my contact to ask for something completely different and not related to my research and expects me to do the experiments. In the emails she switched from english to her mother language and even sent one without me in Cc which I later saw in the thread, saying that I work for her in a very condescending tone \- I have been asking her consistently for other projects since I didn't publish since my last postdoc (4 years, hoping to submit this year). She keeps giving me dead-end mini projects she knows won't be published. There are other opportunities in the lab that she is not including me in, saying I will get 'distracted' \- She blocked me from publishing because we got 1 (ONE) editor rejection from a high impact journal, so now I am working overtime for more functional experiments that would make it 'interesting enough' for publishing, so I can finally submit and apply for other positions while in review \- she's arguing with me in front of other people, via email or in online meetings, anything I say is wrong, she's constantly putting me down given the chance and it's awkward and embarrassing. \- she argues with me for not telling her absolutely everything, even though I started with the aim to build up to independence. This includes applications for conferences and discussions with other PIs in the institute \- she yelled at me several times for spending too much money for my project, whereas another colleague is spending 10x more but that's apparently ok because it's my boss' ideas. We are working in one of the most funded institutes where money shouldn't be an issue \- if I confront her about anything she gets super defensive, aggressive even, and I'm afraid to say anything in case it makes things worse. I told her I am applying for faculty positions (with a preprint), and she sent her references, but now I am really worried that she will ruin me. I always had good feedback from other PIs and collaborators but she broke me down so much, I am doubting my abilities as a scientist, and I am getting bitter and jealous of other postdocs who have OK projects but are getting ahead because they have the right support/ contacts (as I said, well funded institute). Ultimately I feel like I am missing out on productive and fun scientific discussion and real mentorship, scientific and otherwise, and I am worried that I am not equipped for the next step because of it. I still have a tiny slither of hope but I don't know for how much longer. Several people have left the lab already for similar reasons apart from her now 'star postdoc' who is wasting tons of money. Her PhD students all left (or will leave) academia. Am I doomed? | f3aead9610d2931d0fceef14851fb5c4627c6d0db7b07b1d3276f4629b8a0986 | [
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I think my boss has been playing me and as a result my career is likely ruined. Help? I want to stay in academia, and I have a specific vision for my work. When I joined the lab (2nd postdoc), my boss made promises of mentorship and support to reach my career goals. Since then: \- I had a big grant rejected, which could have been avoided had she not pressured me to add more and more experiments that I have no expertise in, claiming that the collaborators would be enough to convince the reviewers. I found out the hard way that that's BS \- I then got another grant for 2 years with the possibility to hire my own PhD student, if she had promised to pay the third year. She told me she had no idea if she would be able to pay, which ended up in me getting a TA instead. I then found out that she offered a PhD student to another postdoc with the same funding as me a couple of months later \- She was dismissive of my ideas to the point that I was seriously doubting myself, until I received good feedback from our collaborators. Then she was interested. Now she's trying to push her own unfounded, sloppy ideas into my story and is threatening me that if I don't work on this aspect she has no interest in keeping me \- She blocked a collaboration that I made with an industry partner at a conference, saying she has no interest in it and the idea is 'stupid' (its not). She then uses my contact to ask for something completely different and not related to my research and expects me to do the experiments. In the emails she switched from english to her mother language and even sent one without me in Cc which I later saw in the thread, saying that I work for her in a very condescending tone \- I have been asking her consistently for other projects since I didn't publish since my last postdoc (4 years, hoping to submit this year). She keeps giving me dead-end mini projects she knows won't be published. There are other opportunities in the lab that she is not including me in, saying I will get 'distracted' \- She blocked me from publishing because we got 1 (ONE) editor rejection from a high impact journal, so now I am working overtime for more functional experiments that would make it 'interesting enough' for publishing, so I can finally submit and apply for other positions while in review \- she's arguing with me in front of other people, via email or in online meetings, anything I say is wrong, she's constantly putting me down given the chance and it's awkward and embarrassing. \- she argues with me for not telling her absolutely everything, even though I started with the aim to build up to independence. This includes applications for conferences and discussions with other PIs in the institute \- she yelled at me several times for spending too much money for my project, whereas another colleague is spending 10x more but that's apparently ok because it's my boss' ideas. We are working in one of the most funded institutes where money shouldn't be an issue \- if I confront her about anything she gets super defensive, aggressive even, and I'm afraid to say anything in case it makes things worse. I told her I am applying for faculty positions (with a preprint), and she sent her references, but now I am really worried that she will ruin me. I always had good feedback from other PIs and collaborators but she broke me down so much, I am doubting my abilities as a scientist, and I am getting bitter and jealous of other postdocs who have OK projects but are getting ahead because they have the right support/ contacts (as I said, well funded institute). Ultimately I feel like I am missing out on productive and fun scientific discussion and real mentorship, scientific and otherwise, and I am worried that I am not equipped for the next step because of it. I still have a tiny slither of hope but I don't know for how much longer. Several people have left the lab already for similar reasons apart from her now 'star postdoc' who is wasting tons of money. Her PhD students all left (or will leave) academia. Am I doomed? | f3aead9610d2931d0fceef14851fb5c4627c6d0db7b07b1d3276f4629b8a0986 | [
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"content": "Avoid getting LORs from this toxic person. They will likely only try and sabotage you...possibly with the hope of keeping you and torturing you more. Get LORs from your collaborators possibly? I know it may be unconventional but this person seems like a nightmare that would definitely be that selfish/does not have the right frame of mind to write you a solid letter. Also, GTFO.",
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I think my boss has been playing me and as a result my career is likely ruined. Help? I want to stay in academia, and I have a specific vision for my work. When I joined the lab (2nd postdoc), my boss made promises of mentorship and support to reach my career goals. Since then: \- I had a big grant rejected, which could have been avoided had she not pressured me to add more and more experiments that I have no expertise in, claiming that the collaborators would be enough to convince the reviewers. I found out the hard way that that's BS \- I then got another grant for 2 years with the possibility to hire my own PhD student, if she had promised to pay the third year. She told me she had no idea if she would be able to pay, which ended up in me getting a TA instead. I then found out that she offered a PhD student to another postdoc with the same funding as me a couple of months later \- She was dismissive of my ideas to the point that I was seriously doubting myself, until I received good feedback from our collaborators. Then she was interested. Now she's trying to push her own unfounded, sloppy ideas into my story and is threatening me that if I don't work on this aspect she has no interest in keeping me \- She blocked a collaboration that I made with an industry partner at a conference, saying she has no interest in it and the idea is 'stupid' (its not). She then uses my contact to ask for something completely different and not related to my research and expects me to do the experiments. In the emails she switched from english to her mother language and even sent one without me in Cc which I later saw in the thread, saying that I work for her in a very condescending tone \- I have been asking her consistently for other projects since I didn't publish since my last postdoc (4 years, hoping to submit this year). She keeps giving me dead-end mini projects she knows won't be published. There are other opportunities in the lab that she is not including me in, saying I will get 'distracted' \- She blocked me from publishing because we got 1 (ONE) editor rejection from a high impact journal, so now I am working overtime for more functional experiments that would make it 'interesting enough' for publishing, so I can finally submit and apply for other positions while in review \- she's arguing with me in front of other people, via email or in online meetings, anything I say is wrong, she's constantly putting me down given the chance and it's awkward and embarrassing. \- she argues with me for not telling her absolutely everything, even though I started with the aim to build up to independence. This includes applications for conferences and discussions with other PIs in the institute \- she yelled at me several times for spending too much money for my project, whereas another colleague is spending 10x more but that's apparently ok because it's my boss' ideas. We are working in one of the most funded institutes where money shouldn't be an issue \- if I confront her about anything she gets super defensive, aggressive even, and I'm afraid to say anything in case it makes things worse. I told her I am applying for faculty positions (with a preprint), and she sent her references, but now I am really worried that she will ruin me. I always had good feedback from other PIs and collaborators but she broke me down so much, I am doubting my abilities as a scientist, and I am getting bitter and jealous of other postdocs who have OK projects but are getting ahead because they have the right support/ contacts (as I said, well funded institute). Ultimately I feel like I am missing out on productive and fun scientific discussion and real mentorship, scientific and otherwise, and I am worried that I am not equipped for the next step because of it. I still have a tiny slither of hope but I don't know for how much longer. Several people have left the lab already for similar reasons apart from her now 'star postdoc' who is wasting tons of money. Her PhD students all left (or will leave) academia. Am I doomed? | f3aead9610d2931d0fceef14851fb5c4627c6d0db7b07b1d3276f4629b8a0986 | [
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"content": "Your boss sounds toxic. It's hard to really \"see\" why she does what she does, or how bad her behavior is, because she's the boss (and from the looks of it, exercises power considerably). Unfortunately, this happens. Like the others, I suggest trying to find other jobs. My personal opinion is to stick this out until you have another job to go to (just do the minimum, bear with it a few months while job-hunting). This is so you will have a bargaining chip in your job-hunt (do not bad mouth your current job during interviews). I feel you. I've been there. You can get through this, and from this you'll learn what not to do as a boss.",
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"content": "Leave this bitch behind. And don't despair. Given what you've stated here, you're talented in your own right. These people are always trying to punk out junior researchers and make them think they need them, when often times it's the other way around. Focus on moving on. You can do it. And you will be successful. Strengthen your partnerships with others in your network. And don't let her steal your focus. Think of it this way, she wouldn't have allowed you to stay so long if you weren't valuable. I'm sorry you had to go through this.",
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"content": "Resubmit the big grant with her BS removed. Pursue the industry grant separately. Resubmit the rejected manuscript to a lower tier journal. Don’t forget - as long as it is indexed on pubmed or whatever the standard in your field is, the rest matters a lot less. Read up on narcissism, the grey rock technique, and broken record technique. Check out the book “crucial confrontations”.",
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I think my boss has been playing me and as a result my career is likely ruined. Help? I want to stay in academia, and I have a specific vision for my work. When I joined the lab (2nd postdoc), my boss made promises of mentorship and support to reach my career goals. Since then: \- I had a big grant rejected, which could have been avoided had she not pressured me to add more and more experiments that I have no expertise in, claiming that the collaborators would be enough to convince the reviewers. I found out the hard way that that's BS \- I then got another grant for 2 years with the possibility to hire my own PhD student, if she had promised to pay the third year. She told me she had no idea if she would be able to pay, which ended up in me getting a TA instead. I then found out that she offered a PhD student to another postdoc with the same funding as me a couple of months later \- She was dismissive of my ideas to the point that I was seriously doubting myself, until I received good feedback from our collaborators. Then she was interested. Now she's trying to push her own unfounded, sloppy ideas into my story and is threatening me that if I don't work on this aspect she has no interest in keeping me \- She blocked a collaboration that I made with an industry partner at a conference, saying she has no interest in it and the idea is 'stupid' (its not). She then uses my contact to ask for something completely different and not related to my research and expects me to do the experiments. In the emails she switched from english to her mother language and even sent one without me in Cc which I later saw in the thread, saying that I work for her in a very condescending tone \- I have been asking her consistently for other projects since I didn't publish since my last postdoc (4 years, hoping to submit this year). She keeps giving me dead-end mini projects she knows won't be published. There are other opportunities in the lab that she is not including me in, saying I will get 'distracted' \- She blocked me from publishing because we got 1 (ONE) editor rejection from a high impact journal, so now I am working overtime for more functional experiments that would make it 'interesting enough' for publishing, so I can finally submit and apply for other positions while in review \- she's arguing with me in front of other people, via email or in online meetings, anything I say is wrong, she's constantly putting me down given the chance and it's awkward and embarrassing. \- she argues with me for not telling her absolutely everything, even though I started with the aim to build up to independence. This includes applications for conferences and discussions with other PIs in the institute \- she yelled at me several times for spending too much money for my project, whereas another colleague is spending 10x more but that's apparently ok because it's my boss' ideas. We are working in one of the most funded institutes where money shouldn't be an issue \- if I confront her about anything she gets super defensive, aggressive even, and I'm afraid to say anything in case it makes things worse. I told her I am applying for faculty positions (with a preprint), and she sent her references, but now I am really worried that she will ruin me. I always had good feedback from other PIs and collaborators but she broke me down so much, I am doubting my abilities as a scientist, and I am getting bitter and jealous of other postdocs who have OK projects but are getting ahead because they have the right support/ contacts (as I said, well funded institute). Ultimately I feel like I am missing out on productive and fun scientific discussion and real mentorship, scientific and otherwise, and I am worried that I am not equipped for the next step because of it. I still have a tiny slither of hope but I don't know for how much longer. Several people have left the lab already for similar reasons apart from her now 'star postdoc' who is wasting tons of money. Her PhD students all left (or will leave) academia. Am I doomed? | f3aead9610d2931d0fceef14851fb5c4627c6d0db7b07b1d3276f4629b8a0986 | [
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"content": "Oooh, you must be threatening to this PI. Take her sabotage as a mark of your power/potential/intelligence. Then run.",
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I think my boss has been playing me and as a result my career is likely ruined. Help? I want to stay in academia, and I have a specific vision for my work. When I joined the lab (2nd postdoc), my boss made promises of mentorship and support to reach my career goals. Since then: \- I had a big grant rejected, which could have been avoided had she not pressured me to add more and more experiments that I have no expertise in, claiming that the collaborators would be enough to convince the reviewers. I found out the hard way that that's BS \- I then got another grant for 2 years with the possibility to hire my own PhD student, if she had promised to pay the third year. She told me she had no idea if she would be able to pay, which ended up in me getting a TA instead. I then found out that she offered a PhD student to another postdoc with the same funding as me a couple of months later \- She was dismissive of my ideas to the point that I was seriously doubting myself, until I received good feedback from our collaborators. Then she was interested. Now she's trying to push her own unfounded, sloppy ideas into my story and is threatening me that if I don't work on this aspect she has no interest in keeping me \- She blocked a collaboration that I made with an industry partner at a conference, saying she has no interest in it and the idea is 'stupid' (its not). She then uses my contact to ask for something completely different and not related to my research and expects me to do the experiments. In the emails she switched from english to her mother language and even sent one without me in Cc which I later saw in the thread, saying that I work for her in a very condescending tone \- I have been asking her consistently for other projects since I didn't publish since my last postdoc (4 years, hoping to submit this year). She keeps giving me dead-end mini projects she knows won't be published. There are other opportunities in the lab that she is not including me in, saying I will get 'distracted' \- She blocked me from publishing because we got 1 (ONE) editor rejection from a high impact journal, so now I am working overtime for more functional experiments that would make it 'interesting enough' for publishing, so I can finally submit and apply for other positions while in review \- she's arguing with me in front of other people, via email or in online meetings, anything I say is wrong, she's constantly putting me down given the chance and it's awkward and embarrassing. \- she argues with me for not telling her absolutely everything, even though I started with the aim to build up to independence. This includes applications for conferences and discussions with other PIs in the institute \- she yelled at me several times for spending too much money for my project, whereas another colleague is spending 10x more but that's apparently ok because it's my boss' ideas. We are working in one of the most funded institutes where money shouldn't be an issue \- if I confront her about anything she gets super defensive, aggressive even, and I'm afraid to say anything in case it makes things worse. I told her I am applying for faculty positions (with a preprint), and she sent her references, but now I am really worried that she will ruin me. I always had good feedback from other PIs and collaborators but she broke me down so much, I am doubting my abilities as a scientist, and I am getting bitter and jealous of other postdocs who have OK projects but are getting ahead because they have the right support/ contacts (as I said, well funded institute). Ultimately I feel like I am missing out on productive and fun scientific discussion and real mentorship, scientific and otherwise, and I am worried that I am not equipped for the next step because of it. I still have a tiny slither of hope but I don't know for how much longer. Several people have left the lab already for similar reasons apart from her now 'star postdoc' who is wasting tons of money. Her PhD students all left (or will leave) academia. Am I doomed? | f3aead9610d2931d0fceef14851fb5c4627c6d0db7b07b1d3276f4629b8a0986 | [
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"content": "Avoid getting LORs from this toxic person. They will likely only try and sabotage you...possibly with the hope of keeping you and torturing you more. Get LORs from your collaborators possibly? I know it may be unconventional but this person seems like a nightmare that would definitely be that selfish/does not have the right frame of mind to write you a solid letter. Also, GTFO.",
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"content": "Your boss sounds toxic. It's hard to really \"see\" why she does what she does, or how bad her behavior is, because she's the boss (and from the looks of it, exercises power considerably). Unfortunately, this happens. Like the others, I suggest trying to find other jobs. My personal opinion is to stick this out until you have another job to go to (just do the minimum, bear with it a few months while job-hunting). This is so you will have a bargaining chip in your job-hunt (do not bad mouth your current job during interviews). I feel you. I've been there. You can get through this, and from this you'll learn what not to do as a boss.",
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"content": "Avoid getting LORs from this toxic person. They will likely only try and sabotage you...possibly with the hope of keeping you and torturing you more. Get LORs from your collaborators possibly? I know it may be unconventional but this person seems like a nightmare that would definitely be that selfish/does not have the right frame of mind to write you a solid letter. Also, GTFO.",
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I think my boss has been playing me and as a result my career is likely ruined. Help? I want to stay in academia, and I have a specific vision for my work. When I joined the lab (2nd postdoc), my boss made promises of mentorship and support to reach my career goals. Since then: \- I had a big grant rejected, which could have been avoided had she not pressured me to add more and more experiments that I have no expertise in, claiming that the collaborators would be enough to convince the reviewers. I found out the hard way that that's BS \- I then got another grant for 2 years with the possibility to hire my own PhD student, if she had promised to pay the third year. She told me she had no idea if she would be able to pay, which ended up in me getting a TA instead. I then found out that she offered a PhD student to another postdoc with the same funding as me a couple of months later \- She was dismissive of my ideas to the point that I was seriously doubting myself, until I received good feedback from our collaborators. Then she was interested. Now she's trying to push her own unfounded, sloppy ideas into my story and is threatening me that if I don't work on this aspect she has no interest in keeping me \- She blocked a collaboration that I made with an industry partner at a conference, saying she has no interest in it and the idea is 'stupid' (its not). She then uses my contact to ask for something completely different and not related to my research and expects me to do the experiments. In the emails she switched from english to her mother language and even sent one without me in Cc which I later saw in the thread, saying that I work for her in a very condescending tone \- I have been asking her consistently for other projects since I didn't publish since my last postdoc (4 years, hoping to submit this year). She keeps giving me dead-end mini projects she knows won't be published. There are other opportunities in the lab that she is not including me in, saying I will get 'distracted' \- She blocked me from publishing because we got 1 (ONE) editor rejection from a high impact journal, so now I am working overtime for more functional experiments that would make it 'interesting enough' for publishing, so I can finally submit and apply for other positions while in review \- she's arguing with me in front of other people, via email or in online meetings, anything I say is wrong, she's constantly putting me down given the chance and it's awkward and embarrassing. \- she argues with me for not telling her absolutely everything, even though I started with the aim to build up to independence. This includes applications for conferences and discussions with other PIs in the institute \- she yelled at me several times for spending too much money for my project, whereas another colleague is spending 10x more but that's apparently ok because it's my boss' ideas. We are working in one of the most funded institutes where money shouldn't be an issue \- if I confront her about anything she gets super defensive, aggressive even, and I'm afraid to say anything in case it makes things worse. I told her I am applying for faculty positions (with a preprint), and she sent her references, but now I am really worried that she will ruin me. I always had good feedback from other PIs and collaborators but she broke me down so much, I am doubting my abilities as a scientist, and I am getting bitter and jealous of other postdocs who have OK projects but are getting ahead because they have the right support/ contacts (as I said, well funded institute). Ultimately I feel like I am missing out on productive and fun scientific discussion and real mentorship, scientific and otherwise, and I am worried that I am not equipped for the next step because of it. I still have a tiny slither of hope but I don't know for how much longer. Several people have left the lab already for similar reasons apart from her now 'star postdoc' who is wasting tons of money. Her PhD students all left (or will leave) academia. Am I doomed? | f3aead9610d2931d0fceef14851fb5c4627c6d0db7b07b1d3276f4629b8a0986 | [
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"content": "Avoid getting LORs from this toxic person. They will likely only try and sabotage you...possibly with the hope of keeping you and torturing you more. Get LORs from your collaborators possibly? I know it may be unconventional but this person seems like a nightmare that would definitely be that selfish/does not have the right frame of mind to write you a solid letter. Also, GTFO.",
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"content": "Leave this bitch behind. And don't despair. Given what you've stated here, you're talented in your own right. These people are always trying to punk out junior researchers and make them think they need them, when often times it's the other way around. Focus on moving on. You can do it. And you will be successful. Strengthen your partnerships with others in your network. And don't let her steal your focus. Think of it this way, she wouldn't have allowed you to stay so long if you weren't valuable. I'm sorry you had to go through this.",
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Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on "just a simple yes or no answer is fine" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence? | 1e42ca01a1bd38a1bbfb2d8de0239229c2ac8f86ee5457ce1c6fadd69370f971 | [
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"content": "No, tacking that on would be passive aggressive. And it's often because the email was lost in the neverending flood of other things, or because it's easier to ignore than deal with the response to a no. Send a single, polite followup or ask them during office hours. If no response then, head elsewhere.",
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"content": "They're probably somewhere on the spectrum of wanting to do so but not having the time available for it. While you might appreciate a quick yes/no, it might not be so simple for them to commit. Did you give a clear deadline and provide all the info needed for them to do the request? If not, then a response also has to include time to sort out these details. In my crunch teaching time, I'll ignore emails for weeks to focus on what I have to get done and reply to Reddit questions.",
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"content": "When did you send the email? Did you send it from your university address? Our IT department has ridiculous spam filters and unless emails come from a .edu account they're likely to go to spam. Are you asking professors who know you well? Beyond just good performance in one class? You can send a polite follow-up email. And if they still don't respond you can drop by their office hours to ask. Sometimes emails get lost in the shuffle. Sometimes professors won't respond if they feel they don't know you well (your email deserves a response, in my view). Sometimes we thought we responded but did not. Sometimes your email is the lowest priority on my to-do list, and it takes me a while to get to it. You should send a reminder email 1 - 1.5 weeks after the first email.",
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"content": "Every recommendation letter that I wrote, were for students that have been working on their thesis in our lab. I know the students how they work and can recommend them. If some random student sends me an email asking for a recommendation because they were just in a class I was teaching, without seeing them work on actual problems in laboratory environment, then I decline. And as a few fellow scientists said, often the emails are overlooked because of numerous reasons. Try to see the professor in person.",
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"content": "Some faculty get flooded with email and things get lost in the shuffle. Or sometimes I want to say yes but need to double check my other commitments to make sure I can do it, and that can that time, i.e., I will wait till I have a block of open time to review my planner, or sometimes we need to wait to hear back from others to confirm meeting times or deadlines, etc. Anyway, there are many possible reasons that have nothing to do with you, so best not to overthink it. Please do not tack on that message at the end of the email. Just follow up if they don't respond in a week or so.",
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"content": "I always just wrote my own letters as a very polished draft, or at the very least - very VERY detailed bullet points. As other mentioned- profs get dozens (if not >100) emails a day, many of which demand their attention more. Writing your own letter may seem weird, but who else knows your strengths and weakness and the program you are applying to than you? They can always edit it all too",
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"content": "To give you a general idea, if I had to group my emails from this week under a few main headings, I had a bunch about my current teaching, setting exam questions, emails about my admin duty, then academic advisees, emails about two different research projects, and general dept emails and events. A lot of them are quite urgent and/or information heavy. So I pin reference requests on top but I still am very slow in responding unfortunately, especially if its about students from previous years and have to dig up their grades/feedback.",
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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"content": "For something as important as a LOR, I think an in-person conversation is warranted, if possible. Resolves the problems of emails being lost, low priority, or no response. This way, if the person agrees to write the letter for you, they can expect the info to arrive via email or can address any concerns/reservations they may have about writing you one.",
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"content": "So as a student I sent out a few of these requests. One thing I learnt is that they don't know most students well enough to write a sincere reference. Making it as easy as possible means you're more likely to get a response. If you can attach a short cv or grades for their classes it makes it easier. I also had one ask me to write a first draft. He edited it added a little and signed off. After that, I would ask if a draft would help and they all said yes. I had one simply sign it and send it straight back.",
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Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on "just a simple yes or no answer is fine" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence? | 1e42ca01a1bd38a1bbfb2d8de0239229c2ac8f86ee5457ce1c6fadd69370f971 | [
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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"content": "Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on \"just a simple yes or no answer is fine\" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence?",
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"content": "So as a student I sent out a few of these requests. One thing I learnt is that they don't know most students well enough to write a sincere reference. Making it as easy as possible means you're more likely to get a response. If you can attach a short cv or grades for their classes it makes it easier. I also had one ask me to write a first draft. He edited it added a little and signed off. After that, I would ask if a draft would help and they all said yes. I had one simply sign it and send it straight back.",
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on "just a simple yes or no answer is fine" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence? | 1e42ca01a1bd38a1bbfb2d8de0239229c2ac8f86ee5457ce1c6fadd69370f971 | [
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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"content": "Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on \"just a simple yes or no answer is fine\" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence?",
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"content": "To give you a general idea, if I had to group my emails from this week under a few main headings, I had a bunch about my current teaching, setting exam questions, emails about my admin duty, then academic advisees, emails about two different research projects, and general dept emails and events. A lot of them are quite urgent and/or information heavy. So I pin reference requests on top but I still am very slow in responding unfortunately, especially if its about students from previous years and have to dig up their grades/feedback.",
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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"content": "Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on \"just a simple yes or no answer is fine\" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence?",
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"content": "I have about 50 email sorting rules and I only check the folders that have rules on them. So if you didn't use a subject line that met one of those rules it goes in my junk folder. So my students in active classes know they need to use the course code in the subject line to get a response. I wouldnt open an email from a name I didnt immediately recognize and also had no subject line, let alone a subject line for something I'm currently working on.",
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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"content": "Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on \"just a simple yes or no answer is fine\" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence?",
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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"content": "Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on \"just a simple yes or no answer is fine\" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence?",
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"content": "The one and only reason I never responded to the numerous requests was because: I was busy. Between the \"pressure to publish\", grading papers, making assignments, making lectures, faculty meetings, committee meetings, service work, my family, my downtime, and the need for rest -- lowest on the totem pole of important things to do was to write a student (especially if you're a student I barely know or engaged with) a letter of recommendation. Usually, what will motivate me to write one is if that student left an impression, or had some kind of working or on-going relationship with me.",
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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"content": "Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on \"just a simple yes or no answer is fine\" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence?",
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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"content": "Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on \"just a simple yes or no answer is fine\" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence?",
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"content": "I’m happy to do it, usually, but I often forget to respond - emails get buried very quickly. I’d send another email to politely ask if they received it and if they could let you know.",
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on "just a simple yes or no answer is fine" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence? | 1e42ca01a1bd38a1bbfb2d8de0239229c2ac8f86ee5457ce1c6fadd69370f971 | [
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"content": "Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on \"just a simple yes or no answer is fine\" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence?",
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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"content": "Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on \"just a simple yes or no answer is fine\" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence?",
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"content": "If you know the professor/person reasonably well I find it helpful to ask informally in person first to get a general response of “yes/no” and then I send a more formal follow up in email form. Generally profs are better at responding to the email when they know to expect it in their inbox.",
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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"content": "So I had the issue of not really intimately knowing all my professors because most of my program is online, so one suggestion is to show up to office hours. I recently sent out request for grad school and got 100% response, but I did add a clause at the end saying by when I’d need the rec, if that schedule isn’t feasible or they’d rather not write a rec, I’d appreciate them letting me know ASAP so I can reach out to someone else. I attached my resume, courses taken with them, and my writing sample from their class. After speaking to many academics, they said not to take it personally since a lot of them are teaching, working on their research, and are bombarded with emails/request daily. I’d recommend following up after 48-72 hrs with eye catching subject line.",
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"content": "Write it for them. I have never had a professor write me a letter. It was always, \"You write it. You know how I feel about you. Bring it to me to sign.\" Offer to write it for them. They are busy people.",
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"content": "For something as important as a LOR, I think an in-person conversation is warranted, if possible. Resolves the problems of emails being lost, low priority, or no response. This way, if the person agrees to write the letter for you, they can expect the info to arrive via email or can address any concerns/reservations they may have about writing you one.",
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"content": "For something as important as a LOR, I think an in-person conversation is warranted, if possible. Resolves the problems of emails being lost, low priority, or no response. This way, if the person agrees to write the letter for you, they can expect the info to arrive via email or can address any concerns/reservations they may have about writing you one.",
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"content": "I have about 50 email sorting rules and I only check the folders that have rules on them. So if you didn't use a subject line that met one of those rules it goes in my junk folder. So my students in active classes know they need to use the course code in the subject line to get a response. I wouldnt open an email from a name I didnt immediately recognize and also had no subject line, let alone a subject line for something I'm currently working on.",
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"content": "I’m happy to do it, usually, but I often forget to respond - emails get buried very quickly. I’d send another email to politely ask if they received it and if they could let you know.",
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"content": "So as a student I sent out a few of these requests. One thing I learnt is that they don't know most students well enough to write a sincere reference. Making it as easy as possible means you're more likely to get a response. If you can attach a short cv or grades for their classes it makes it easier. I also had one ask me to write a first draft. He edited it added a little and signed off. After that, I would ask if a draft would help and they all said yes. I had one simply sign it and send it straight back.",
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"content": "To give you a general idea, if I had to group my emails from this week under a few main headings, I had a bunch about my current teaching, setting exam questions, emails about my admin duty, then academic advisees, emails about two different research projects, and general dept emails and events. A lot of them are quite urgent and/or information heavy. So I pin reference requests on top but I still am very slow in responding unfortunately, especially if its about students from previous years and have to dig up their grades/feedback.",
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Why do professors ignore letter of recommendation requests instead of just declining? Is it a sign that they simply forgot to reply or missed my email, or is it that they just can't be bothered to reply at all if they aren't interested? ​ **Edit:** When I make requests in the future, would it be appropriate to tack on "just a simple yes or no answer is fine" at the end of the email, to hint that I would appreciate even a very curt refusal rather than silence? | 1e42ca01a1bd38a1bbfb2d8de0239229c2ac8f86ee5457ce1c6fadd69370f971 | [
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"content": "I have about 50 email sorting rules and I only check the folders that have rules on them. So if you didn't use a subject line that met one of those rules it goes in my junk folder. So my students in active classes know they need to use the course code in the subject line to get a response. I wouldnt open an email from a name I didnt immediately recognize and also had no subject line, let alone a subject line for something I'm currently working on.",
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"content": "I’m happy to do it, usually, but I often forget to respond - emails get buried very quickly. I’d send another email to politely ask if they received it and if they could let you know.",
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"content": "If you know the professor/person reasonably well I find it helpful to ask informally in person first to get a general response of “yes/no” and then I send a more formal follow up in email form. Generally profs are better at responding to the email when they know to expect it in their inbox.",
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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"content": "It’s sadly very common. Try to prioritize mental health now. Don’t tell yourself to push trough and deal with that stuff after finishing the PhD. I’ve seen many friends where this strategy did not work out well.",
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"content": "Burnout is common. Try getting a therapist. It may be just what you need to find the right motivation. Sorry to hear about your family disowning you, sounds like a religious thing? Another way therapy might help.",
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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"content": "Burnout is _extremely_ uncommon. You are an anomaly. How in the hell could I (or anyone else) ever get burned out from working 60+ hours a week while raising young kids and trying to grind tenure in one of the most competitive industries in the world? More seriously, of course people get burned out. Spend 3 minutes scrolling through the submissions on any of the academia oriented subreddits and the extreme commonness of burnout should be obvious.",
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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"content": "It's sad, but very common to be burned out, especially in the field you are studying /working. I also worked in an animal hospital and was studying, until I had a collapse and got chronicly ill. I don't say that this will happen to you, but I hope you look after yourself before it's too late. Treat yourself with something nice, do something that's only for you. Don't try to be the best at all time, you don't need to be perfect. I hope this helps 🌈",
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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"content": "Yes absolutely normal, I think you’d have to be a robot to not get burnt out. Be honest with yourself and your needs, I’d also be honest with your advisor. My one note is that I never showed my advisor the toll it was all taking on me, they would become frustrated by my lack of progress/quality of work, and use it to define my worth as a student/researcher. If you tell them they should understand and work with you, which they seem like they’re really open to.",
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"content": "Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks",
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"content": "Yes absolutely normal, I think you’d have to be a robot to not get burnt out. Be honest with yourself and your needs, I’d also be honest with your advisor. My one note is that I never showed my advisor the toll it was all taking on me, they would become frustrated by my lack of progress/quality of work, and use it to define my worth as a student/researcher. If you tell them they should understand and work with you, which they seem like they’re really open to.",
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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"content": "I also did a burn out in 2020. It was a rough year!",
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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"content": "A feature. \\[and you can do it. Just a bit more & you'll be done!\\]",
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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"content": "Yes absolutely normal, I think you’d have to be a robot to not get burnt out. Be honest with yourself and your needs, I’d also be honest with your advisor. My one note is that I never showed my advisor the toll it was all taking on me, they would become frustrated by my lack of progress/quality of work, and use it to define my worth as a student/researcher. If you tell them they should understand and work with you, which they seem like they’re really open to.",
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Is burnout normal in academics? Im a doctoral candidate, (4th year) and though there is the light at the end of the tunnel, I feel like I burnt myself out so hard last year (COVID, grant writing w no laptop, could not go to lab, got married, family disowned me, and threats from family members, took quals twice (failed the first time)). My advisors dont know how hard the last year was for me. My advisors are extremely selfless and wonderful advisors and they are treking out a plan where I can publish 1-2 papers within 20-24 months and graduate on time. Since May, Ive been completely burnt out and disinterested. I never get up on time, and I am going to lab at 2pm and forcing myself to stay there for 8 hours. Even when my body is in lab, my work is not great, and I can hardly motivate myself to thaw out cells. Other people in academia seem to have trials with burn out from time to time. Virtually all PIs are over extended, post-docs too. I was wondering if burnout is a bug or a feature in academia? Does everyone feel burntout from time to time or did I fuck myself? thanks | 90f88007cba7959a65bab7b60aae7b4b6d635123e3652085261b1bdc79227281 | [
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"content": "A feature. \\[and you can do it. Just a bit more & you'll be done!\\]",
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"content": "No - every case I have heard of (my research is on why grad students leave their PhD programs), it never got better. :( I agree with some other comments here that changing labs, or even programs entirely was probably the best outcome for the student.",
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"content": "Your university has kept them around this long. You think you're the first to have a problem? Students, especially grad students, have very little agency. You're a number, that professor is an asset to the school. I left a lab, but made it explicitly clear I would not be reporting what I heard or experienced. It's likely the primary reason I was able to make a clean break, because there would've been retaliation if I had. The school would've taken their side.",
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"content": "Most posts here seem to involve STEM and lab work; my career was humanities, in the U.S., at a large research university. A couple of thoughts, though... First, surely it would depend on the issues/ personalities/context. In the U.S., universities have changed considerably in recent years and my university has created many new mechanisms for reporting and dealing with complaints about faculty at every level, including both academic and personal issues. Sexual harassment cases in particular have led to much greater awareness and scrutiny of the power dynamics between students and faculty and the need to set behavioral expectations and regulatory mechanisms to enforce them. We now have student and faculty committees, grad student unions (and a host of other mechanisms) to mediate between faculty/the department/students, and students are encouraged to meet directly with faculty and with department chairs if they have issues with professors, teaching assistants, lab supervisors, etc. Conflicts and complaints used to be handled at the department level, which generally meant nothing was ever done, and students who reported issues were often exposed and vulnerable to faculty retaliation. Grad students who were sexually harassed by faculty often ended up leaving the university, and the department kept issues with faculty confidential. Now faculty are expected to listen to students and take them seriously. Departments are obliged to keep some student complaints confidential, to take appropriate action and to refer students to newly created program offices and/or communicate serious issues and complaints to the central administration. Most of these changes are very recent, within the last 2-3 years. So at my university, yes, it is now much more possible to lodge complaints about faculty without fear of reprisal. These issues will never disappear but conditions have improved.",
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"content": "Has anyone ever reported their academic advisor/supervisor and things actually improved after that? Has anyone ever reported their academic advisor/supervisor and things actually improved after that? From what I've read, it is not uncommon for supervisors to retaliate after they get reported.",
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"content": "Your university has kept them around this long. You think you're the first to have a problem? Students, especially grad students, have very little agency. You're a number, that professor is an asset to the school. I left a lab, but made it explicitly clear I would not be reporting what I heard or experienced. It's likely the primary reason I was able to make a clean break, because there would've been retaliation if I had. The school would've taken their side.",
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"content": "Has anyone ever reported their academic advisor/supervisor and things actually improved after that? Has anyone ever reported their academic advisor/supervisor and things actually improved after that? From what I've read, it is not uncommon for supervisors to retaliate after they get reported.",
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