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"content": "I would say it is quite common. The really sad thing is when people don't catch it or catch it too late that their graduation/paper/defense depends on pretending they don't see it.",
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"content": "A friend of mine wasted almost 2 years of lab time as a doctoral student because an undergrad fucked up labeling some reagents and forged some documents to cover it up instead of just fessing up to it. Does that count?",
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How often does research work go down the drain just because of a silly human error? Something as silly as testing the baseline on wrong data, performing wide variety of highly diverse amd incomparable tests. How often does that happen in the field and what were the consequences? I haven't had a lot of experience in research, but was curious. | 353f05f630f02f0bfddfad4afc2a483ac96c80b07c6ae5e37aab4d54f5af6187 | [
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"content": "Happens probz once a week to lots of grad students. Or if you’re me sometimes a few times a week. You learn! My PI once told me “students are expected to make mistakes. It’s how you learn. If you weren’t messing up ever I would be concerned bc that is not how science works. It’s only a problem if you keep making the same mistake” Basically, every mistake you learn from. Then you make new mistakes and the learning never stops",
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"content": "Happens probz once a week to lots of grad students. Or if you’re me sometimes a few times a week. You learn! My PI once told me “students are expected to make mistakes. It’s how you learn. If you weren’t messing up ever I would be concerned bc that is not how science works. It’s only a problem if you keep making the same mistake” Basically, every mistake you learn from. Then you make new mistakes and the learning never stops",
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How often does research work go down the drain just because of a silly human error? Something as silly as testing the baseline on wrong data, performing wide variety of highly diverse amd incomparable tests. How often does that happen in the field and what were the consequences? I haven't had a lot of experience in research, but was curious. | 353f05f630f02f0bfddfad4afc2a483ac96c80b07c6ae5e37aab4d54f5af6187 | [
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"content": "Happens probz once a week to lots of grad students. Or if you’re me sometimes a few times a week. You learn! My PI once told me “students are expected to make mistakes. It’s how you learn. If you weren’t messing up ever I would be concerned bc that is not how science works. It’s only a problem if you keep making the same mistake” Basically, every mistake you learn from. Then you make new mistakes and the learning never stops",
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"content": "In most cases for me it was because people didn’t do due diligence reading the literature. I lost a year because no one really did a good lit review and most of what we were working on had already been published years ago.",
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"content": "Happens probz once a week to lots of grad students. Or if you’re me sometimes a few times a week. You learn! My PI once told me “students are expected to make mistakes. It’s how you learn. If you weren’t messing up ever I would be concerned bc that is not how science works. It’s only a problem if you keep making the same mistake” Basically, every mistake you learn from. Then you make new mistakes and the learning never stops",
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How often does research work go down the drain just because of a silly human error? Something as silly as testing the baseline on wrong data, performing wide variety of highly diverse amd incomparable tests. How often does that happen in the field and what were the consequences? I haven't had a lot of experience in research, but was curious. | 353f05f630f02f0bfddfad4afc2a483ac96c80b07c6ae5e37aab4d54f5af6187 | [
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"content": "Happens probz once a week to lots of grad students. Or if you’re me sometimes a few times a week. You learn! My PI once told me “students are expected to make mistakes. It’s how you learn. If you weren’t messing up ever I would be concerned bc that is not how science works. It’s only a problem if you keep making the same mistake” Basically, every mistake you learn from. Then you make new mistakes and the learning never stops",
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"content": "Happens probz once a week to lots of grad students. Or if you’re me sometimes a few times a week. You learn! My PI once told me “students are expected to make mistakes. It’s how you learn. If you weren’t messing up ever I would be concerned bc that is not how science works. It’s only a problem if you keep making the same mistake” Basically, every mistake you learn from. Then you make new mistakes and the learning never stops",
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"content": "Happens probz once a week to lots of grad students. Or if you’re me sometimes a few times a week. You learn! My PI once told me “students are expected to make mistakes. It’s how you learn. If you weren’t messing up ever I would be concerned bc that is not how science works. It’s only a problem if you keep making the same mistake” Basically, every mistake you learn from. Then you make new mistakes and the learning never stops",
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"content": "Happens probz once a week to lots of grad students. Or if you’re me sometimes a few times a week. You learn! My PI once told me “students are expected to make mistakes. It’s how you learn. If you weren’t messing up ever I would be concerned bc that is not how science works. It’s only a problem if you keep making the same mistake” Basically, every mistake you learn from. Then you make new mistakes and the learning never stops",
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How often does research work go down the drain just because of a silly human error? Something as silly as testing the baseline on wrong data, performing wide variety of highly diverse amd incomparable tests. How often does that happen in the field and what were the consequences? I haven't had a lot of experience in research, but was curious. | 353f05f630f02f0bfddfad4afc2a483ac96c80b07c6ae5e37aab4d54f5af6187 | [
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"content": "Hi, I'm a postdoc who last month forgot to increment i in my code, causing a high powered computing cluster to do the same thing repeatedly for a week in parallel. I don't want to think of the environmental or financial impact. My professor confessed to making similar mistakes in the past, and suggested I just learn from it and move on, and test my code more thoroughly locally before submitting to an HPCC.",
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"content": "In my last intern, someone deleted 2 months of labelled data, code and models from a shared drive. He literally executed sudo rm rf * for fun. His teammates were fuming, but he wasn't fired. Probably cus it's their fault they didn't do backups.",
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"content": "It sounds like you're asking about screwing up analysis procedures, but my boogieman has been data storage. My dissertation was an interdisciplinary effort that needed the help of a really great comp sci student who handled the development and storage of our testing of our prototype tool. Unfortunately our lab was very siloed, and another group deleted an entire 3 sessions of user testing data off of the machine somehow. Thankfully the metric we were testing could be assessed from the video we had taken separately, so it wasn't an entire loss, but it wasn't as precise as what you could have read from the files. I managed to salvage the experiment, and my dissertation committee didn't flay me alive, so I'll count it as a win.",
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"content": "In my last intern, someone deleted 2 months of labelled data, code and models from a shared drive. He literally executed sudo rm rf * for fun. His teammates were fuming, but he wasn't fired. Probably cus it's their fault they didn't do backups.",
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"content": "I worked in the lab for many years we used to say you could tell the quality of the research by the size of the eraser on the researchers pencil. If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit.",
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"content": "I had an undergrad who made a bunch of data collection packets and didn't copy the second side of some pencil-and-paper test we were giving. We had to toss the test for enough participants that there wasn't adequate power to use it at all in the experiment. Ugh.",
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"content": "Hi, I'm a postdoc who last month forgot to increment i in my code, causing a high powered computing cluster to do the same thing repeatedly for a week in parallel. I don't want to think of the environmental or financial impact. My professor confessed to making similar mistakes in the past, and suggested I just learn from it and move on, and test my code more thoroughly locally before submitting to an HPCC.",
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"content": "Hi, I'm a postdoc who last month forgot to increment i in my code, causing a high powered computing cluster to do the same thing repeatedly for a week in parallel. I don't want to think of the environmental or financial impact. My professor confessed to making similar mistakes in the past, and suggested I just learn from it and move on, and test my code more thoroughly locally before submitting to an HPCC.",
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"content": "It sounds like you're asking about screwing up analysis procedures, but my boogieman has been data storage. My dissertation was an interdisciplinary effort that needed the help of a really great comp sci student who handled the development and storage of our testing of our prototype tool. Unfortunately our lab was very siloed, and another group deleted an entire 3 sessions of user testing data off of the machine somehow. Thankfully the metric we were testing could be assessed from the video we had taken separately, so it wasn't an entire loss, but it wasn't as precise as what you could have read from the files. I managed to salvage the experiment, and my dissertation committee didn't flay me alive, so I'll count it as a win.",
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"content": "Hi, I'm a postdoc who last month forgot to increment i in my code, causing a high powered computing cluster to do the same thing repeatedly for a week in parallel. I don't want to think of the environmental or financial impact. My professor confessed to making similar mistakes in the past, and suggested I just learn from it and move on, and test my code more thoroughly locally before submitting to an HPCC.",
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"content": "Hi, I'm a postdoc who last month forgot to increment i in my code, causing a high powered computing cluster to do the same thing repeatedly for a week in parallel. I don't want to think of the environmental or financial impact. My professor confessed to making similar mistakes in the past, and suggested I just learn from it and move on, and test my code more thoroughly locally before submitting to an HPCC.",
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"content": "hoo boy, I'd say at least half of the reason my experiments don't work is human error. I've probably wasted thousands or tens of thousands of dollars due to human error after four years. Hope my PI doesn't find this account",
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"content": "Hi, I'm a postdoc who last month forgot to increment i in my code, causing a high powered computing cluster to do the same thing repeatedly for a week in parallel. I don't want to think of the environmental or financial impact. My professor confessed to making similar mistakes in the past, and suggested I just learn from it and move on, and test my code more thoroughly locally before submitting to an HPCC.",
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"content": "Hi, I'm a postdoc who last month forgot to increment i in my code, causing a high powered computing cluster to do the same thing repeatedly for a week in parallel. I don't want to think of the environmental or financial impact. My professor confessed to making similar mistakes in the past, and suggested I just learn from it and move on, and test my code more thoroughly locally before submitting to an HPCC.",
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"content": "How often does research work go down the drain just because of a silly human error? Something as silly as testing the baseline on wrong data, performing wide variety of highly diverse amd incomparable tests. How often does that happen in the field and what were the consequences? I haven't had a lot of experience in research, but was curious.",
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"content": "I would argue that it doesn't happen as often as many of the other comments suggest. \"Down the drain\" implies that nothing of value comes from it. With many of the things in our group we at least learn something from it. While sometimes it isn't terribly interesting (e.g. the shelf life of this component is about a week), it at least means it was of some value. At least in my students I try to explain that as long as we're learning something we're making progress - even if it isn't what we set out to learn it helps us grow as a lab & as a field. Sometimes something that initially seems a waste (i.e. experiments disagreeing) can lead to deeper understanding. The one that comes to mind from my PhD was with one type of experiment we saw opposite results and (after another 6 months of work) found out we were operating in two different regimes which helped to explain all of our results and led to us understanding the physics much better.",
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"content": "Hi, I'm a postdoc who last month forgot to increment i in my code, causing a high powered computing cluster to do the same thing repeatedly for a week in parallel. I don't want to think of the environmental or financial impact. My professor confessed to making similar mistakes in the past, and suggested I just learn from it and move on, and test my code more thoroughly locally before submitting to an HPCC.",
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"content": "How often does research work go down the drain just because of a silly human error? Something as silly as testing the baseline on wrong data, performing wide variety of highly diverse amd incomparable tests. How often does that happen in the field and what were the consequences? I haven't had a lot of experience in research, but was curious.",
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"content": "I worked in the lab for many years we used to say you could tell the quality of the research by the size of the eraser on the researchers pencil. If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit.",
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"content": "Hi, I'm a postdoc who last month forgot to increment i in my code, causing a high powered computing cluster to do the same thing repeatedly for a week in parallel. I don't want to think of the environmental or financial impact. My professor confessed to making similar mistakes in the past, and suggested I just learn from it and move on, and test my code more thoroughly locally before submitting to an HPCC.",
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"content": "How often does research work go down the drain just because of a silly human error? Something as silly as testing the baseline on wrong data, performing wide variety of highly diverse amd incomparable tests. How often does that happen in the field and what were the consequences? I haven't had a lot of experience in research, but was curious.",
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"content": "I had an undergrad who made a bunch of data collection packets and didn't copy the second side of some pencil-and-paper test we were giving. We had to toss the test for enough participants that there wasn't adequate power to use it at all in the experiment. Ugh.",
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"content": "How often does research work go down the drain just because of a silly human error? Something as silly as testing the baseline on wrong data, performing wide variety of highly diverse amd incomparable tests. How often does that happen in the field and what were the consequences? I haven't had a lot of experience in research, but was curious.",
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"content": "Hi, I'm a postdoc who last month forgot to increment i in my code, causing a high powered computing cluster to do the same thing repeatedly for a week in parallel. I don't want to think of the environmental or financial impact. My professor confessed to making similar mistakes in the past, and suggested I just learn from it and move on, and test my code more thoroughly locally before submitting to an HPCC.",
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"content": "I would say it is quite common. The really sad thing is when people don't catch it or catch it too late that their graduation/paper/defense depends on pretending they don't see it.",
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"content": "I had an undergrad who made a bunch of data collection packets and didn't copy the second side of some pencil-and-paper test we were giving. We had to toss the test for enough participants that there wasn't adequate power to use it at all in the experiment. Ugh.",
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How often does research work go down the drain just because of a silly human error? Something as silly as testing the baseline on wrong data, performing wide variety of highly diverse amd incomparable tests. How often does that happen in the field and what were the consequences? I haven't had a lot of experience in research, but was curious. | 353f05f630f02f0bfddfad4afc2a483ac96c80b07c6ae5e37aab4d54f5af6187 | [
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"content": "It sounds like you're asking about screwing up analysis procedures, but my boogieman has been data storage. My dissertation was an interdisciplinary effort that needed the help of a really great comp sci student who handled the development and storage of our testing of our prototype tool. Unfortunately our lab was very siloed, and another group deleted an entire 3 sessions of user testing data off of the machine somehow. Thankfully the metric we were testing could be assessed from the video we had taken separately, so it wasn't an entire loss, but it wasn't as precise as what you could have read from the files. I managed to salvage the experiment, and my dissertation committee didn't flay me alive, so I'll count it as a win.",
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"content": "I had an undergrad who made a bunch of data collection packets and didn't copy the second side of some pencil-and-paper test we were giving. We had to toss the test for enough participants that there wasn't adequate power to use it at all in the experiment. Ugh.",
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"content": "I would argue that it doesn't happen as often as many of the other comments suggest. \"Down the drain\" implies that nothing of value comes from it. With many of the things in our group we at least learn something from it. While sometimes it isn't terribly interesting (e.g. the shelf life of this component is about a week), it at least means it was of some value. At least in my students I try to explain that as long as we're learning something we're making progress - even if it isn't what we set out to learn it helps us grow as a lab & as a field. Sometimes something that initially seems a waste (i.e. experiments disagreeing) can lead to deeper understanding. The one that comes to mind from my PhD was with one type of experiment we saw opposite results and (after another 6 months of work) found out we were operating in two different regimes which helped to explain all of our results and led to us understanding the physics much better.",
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"content": "hoo boy, I'd say at least half of the reason my experiments don't work is human error. I've probably wasted thousands or tens of thousands of dollars due to human error after four years. Hope my PI doesn't find this account",
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"content": "I would argue that it doesn't happen as often as many of the other comments suggest. \"Down the drain\" implies that nothing of value comes from it. With many of the things in our group we at least learn something from it. While sometimes it isn't terribly interesting (e.g. the shelf life of this component is about a week), it at least means it was of some value. At least in my students I try to explain that as long as we're learning something we're making progress - even if it isn't what we set out to learn it helps us grow as a lab & as a field. Sometimes something that initially seems a waste (i.e. experiments disagreeing) can lead to deeper understanding. The one that comes to mind from my PhD was with one type of experiment we saw opposite results and (after another 6 months of work) found out we were operating in two different regimes which helped to explain all of our results and led to us understanding the physics much better.",
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"content": "hoo boy, I'd say at least half of the reason my experiments don't work is human error. I've probably wasted thousands or tens of thousands of dollars due to human error after four years. Hope my PI doesn't find this account",
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"content": "I worked in the lab for many years we used to say you could tell the quality of the research by the size of the eraser on the researchers pencil. If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit.",
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"content": "I had an undergrad who made a bunch of data collection packets and didn't copy the second side of some pencil-and-paper test we were giving. We had to toss the test for enough participants that there wasn't adequate power to use it at all in the experiment. Ugh.",
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"content": "I worked in the lab for many years we used to say you could tell the quality of the research by the size of the eraser on the researchers pencil. If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit.",
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"content": "I had an undergrad who made a bunch of data collection packets and didn't copy the second side of some pencil-and-paper test we were giving. We had to toss the test for enough participants that there wasn't adequate power to use it at all in the experiment. Ugh.",
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"content": "We got totally wiped out. It was the fucking apocalypse. Hiring dropped to zero. Everywhere. Overnight. The market was fucking flooded as people permanently on the margins got downsized out. Postdocs were cancelled outright. Teaching only options dried up. A large spike in PhDs were just being awarded between 2002-2012 and essentially none of them got jobs anywhere. Check that scissor deviation after 2008. It was a fucking bloodbath and we really haven't recovered.",
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"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things. | 0746244ed9a2c31a97e6dded49825b68aeac6fdb7545b166a959d82611df2ac6 | [
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"content": "My research area is fairly fast-paced and quickly-changing so dissertations tend to be some of the most current research on it. So I do read a lot of dissertations and have cited quite a few in my work but I don't know that that's the norm.",
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"content": "Given the state of what I submitted, I sincerely hope so!",
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"content": "It definitely depends on the field, but also what someone does with the thesis afterwards. In my field, it's extremely common to workshop the thesis into a monograph or to rework them into different articles. Once they've been republished they're often better quality work, having had some more dedicated time and having undergone peer-review and are often more easily accessible, which leads to them being read more frequently.",
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"content": "My research area is fairly fast-paced and quickly-changing so dissertations tend to be some of the most current research on it. So I do read a lot of dissertations and have cited quite a few in my work but I don't know that that's the norm.",
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"content": "I have only read 70% of 1 dissertation and 50% of another in my time as a phd student. ​ Reading sections might not be that uncommon if it's on google scholar. An entire dissertation I think would be. Just because people have limited time and lots of papers to read and it is unlikely an entire dissertation is relevant to their research.",
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"content": "I have not published my dissertation as a book--my research has moved mostly in different directions since I defended, and while I'm still working on some of the artists who I wrote about in it, my approach has changed. Anyway, I've had 4-5 direct requests for a copy in the four years since I've defended, which isn't a ton but also isn't nothing. If a scholar hasn't (yet) published their dissertation as a book but it still makes a useful or interesting contribution to the field I will absolutely cite it in my own work. This is especially prevalent with relatively minor artists, for whom there is not a lot of published material.",
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"content": "I'm in applied math. It is probably true that nobody reads them. My master's thesis is getting alot of reads on Research Gate, but as far as I can tell it is most likely just some kind of bots. You can't really trust read metrics, you need to look at citations instead.",
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"content": "It definitely depends on the field, but also what someone does with the thesis afterwards. In my field, it's extremely common to workshop the thesis into a monograph or to rework them into different articles. Once they've been republished they're often better quality work, having had some more dedicated time and having undergone peer-review and are often more easily accessible, which leads to them being read more frequently.",
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"content": "My research area is fairly fast-paced and quickly-changing so dissertations tend to be some of the most current research on it. So I do read a lot of dissertations and have cited quite a few in my work but I don't know that that's the norm.",
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"content": "I use ProQuest all the time to look up dissertations in my field! When I have to write a lit review I start there since I know they’re all going to have ones that I can grow from. There’s also the chance to catch more recent research that hasn’t been published yet",
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"content": "My research area is fairly fast-paced and quickly-changing so dissertations tend to be some of the most current research on it. So I do read a lot of dissertations and have cited quite a few in my work but I don't know that that's the norm.",
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"content": "I have only read 70% of 1 dissertation and 50% of another in my time as a phd student. ​ Reading sections might not be that uncommon if it's on google scholar. An entire dissertation I think would be. Just because people have limited time and lots of papers to read and it is unlikely an entire dissertation is relevant to their research.",
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"content": "I use ProQuest all the time to look up dissertations in my field! When I have to write a lit review I start there since I know they’re all going to have ones that I can grow from. There’s also the chance to catch more recent research that hasn’t been published yet",
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"content": "I have not published my dissertation as a book--my research has moved mostly in different directions since I defended, and while I'm still working on some of the artists who I wrote about in it, my approach has changed. Anyway, I've had 4-5 direct requests for a copy in the four years since I've defended, which isn't a ton but also isn't nothing. If a scholar hasn't (yet) published their dissertation as a book but it still makes a useful or interesting contribution to the field I will absolutely cite it in my own work. This is especially prevalent with relatively minor artists, for whom there is not a lot of published material.",
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"content": "I'm in applied math. It is probably true that nobody reads them. My master's thesis is getting alot of reads on Research Gate, but as far as I can tell it is most likely just some kind of bots. You can't really trust read metrics, you need to look at citations instead.",
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"content": "In particle physics, if you're working as part of a collaboration, new comers to the collaboration/research area may very well read other people's theses to get a good grounding in the area. Students writing up themselves will likely read your intro/theory sections to get an idea of what they should be including in theirs*. And as research topics often get passed onto new students (to update or improve upon with new data, or adapt to related research questions) researchers will likely read the thesis of the students who worked on it before them. \\* On this note, my thesis got downloaded frequently in three countries/locations in 1-3 month time periods, which I know correlated to three students writing their own theses (one even told me they were following the structure of my introduction for their own.)",
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"content": "I actually have read quite a few dissertations. My field is theory heavy and when I want to read up on a new concept/theory, i usually find a dissertation using it and read through it. I find it super helpful as they have to explain it, provide an overview of the literature and then see how they interpret results with it. The only downside is, since they're not peer-reviewed (which is debatable because what is the point of the PhD committee then?), they're not always seen a s valid reference. But for my own learning, they're super helpful.",
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"content": "My research area is fairly fast-paced and quickly-changing so dissertations tend to be some of the most current research on it. So I do read a lot of dissertations and have cited quite a few in my work but I don't know that that's the norm.",
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"content": "I actually have read quite a few dissertations. My field is theory heavy and when I want to read up on a new concept/theory, i usually find a dissertation using it and read through it. I find it super helpful as they have to explain it, provide an overview of the literature and then see how they interpret results with it. The only downside is, since they're not peer-reviewed (which is debatable because what is the point of the PhD committee then?), they're not always seen a s valid reference. But for my own learning, they're super helpful.",
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"content": "I have only read 70% of 1 dissertation and 50% of another in my time as a phd student. ​ Reading sections might not be that uncommon if it's on google scholar. An entire dissertation I think would be. Just because people have limited time and lots of papers to read and it is unlikely an entire dissertation is relevant to their research.",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "I actually have read quite a few dissertations. My field is theory heavy and when I want to read up on a new concept/theory, i usually find a dissertation using it and read through it. I find it super helpful as they have to explain it, provide an overview of the literature and then see how they interpret results with it. The only downside is, since they're not peer-reviewed (which is debatable because what is the point of the PhD committee then?), they're not always seen a s valid reference. But for my own learning, they're super helpful.",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "I have not published my dissertation as a book--my research has moved mostly in different directions since I defended, and while I'm still working on some of the artists who I wrote about in it, my approach has changed. Anyway, I've had 4-5 direct requests for a copy in the four years since I've defended, which isn't a ton but also isn't nothing. If a scholar hasn't (yet) published their dissertation as a book but it still makes a useful or interesting contribution to the field I will absolutely cite it in my own work. This is especially prevalent with relatively minor artists, for whom there is not a lot of published material.",
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"content": "I actually have read quite a few dissertations. My field is theory heavy and when I want to read up on a new concept/theory, i usually find a dissertation using it and read through it. I find it super helpful as they have to explain it, provide an overview of the literature and then see how they interpret results with it. The only downside is, since they're not peer-reviewed (which is debatable because what is the point of the PhD committee then?), they're not always seen a s valid reference. But for my own learning, they're super helpful.",
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"content": "I'm in applied math. It is probably true that nobody reads them. My master's thesis is getting alot of reads on Research Gate, but as far as I can tell it is most likely just some kind of bots. You can't really trust read metrics, you need to look at citations instead.",
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"content": "I actually have read quite a few dissertations. My field is theory heavy and when I want to read up on a new concept/theory, i usually find a dissertation using it and read through it. I find it super helpful as they have to explain it, provide an overview of the literature and then see how they interpret results with it. The only downside is, since they're not peer-reviewed (which is debatable because what is the point of the PhD committee then?), they're not always seen a s valid reference. But for my own learning, they're super helpful.",
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"content": "In particle physics, if you're working as part of a collaboration, new comers to the collaboration/research area may very well read other people's theses to get a good grounding in the area. Students writing up themselves will likely read your intro/theory sections to get an idea of what they should be including in theirs*. And as research topics often get passed onto new students (to update or improve upon with new data, or adapt to related research questions) researchers will likely read the thesis of the students who worked on it before them. \\* On this note, my thesis got downloaded frequently in three countries/locations in 1-3 month time periods, which I know correlated to three students writing their own theses (one even told me they were following the structure of my introduction for their own.)",
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"content": "I graduated in 2013. I have averaged 2 reads a year. I get notified why someone downloads it. I have seen my dissertation be cited 5 times, in 3 dissertations and 2 low level publications. Might as well be no one reading it. Barely a blip on the radar.",
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"content": "My research area is fairly fast-paced and quickly-changing so dissertations tend to be some of the most current research on it. So I do read a lot of dissertations and have cited quite a few in my work but I don't know that that's the norm.",
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"content": "I graduated in 2013. I have averaged 2 reads a year. I get notified why someone downloads it. I have seen my dissertation be cited 5 times, in 3 dissertations and 2 low level publications. Might as well be no one reading it. Barely a blip on the radar.",
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"content": "I have only read 70% of 1 dissertation and 50% of another in my time as a phd student. ​ Reading sections might not be that uncommon if it's on google scholar. An entire dissertation I think would be. Just because people have limited time and lots of papers to read and it is unlikely an entire dissertation is relevant to their research.",
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"content": "I graduated in 2013. I have averaged 2 reads a year. I get notified why someone downloads it. I have seen my dissertation be cited 5 times, in 3 dissertations and 2 low level publications. Might as well be no one reading it. Barely a blip on the radar.",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "I have not published my dissertation as a book--my research has moved mostly in different directions since I defended, and while I'm still working on some of the artists who I wrote about in it, my approach has changed. Anyway, I've had 4-5 direct requests for a copy in the four years since I've defended, which isn't a ton but also isn't nothing. If a scholar hasn't (yet) published their dissertation as a book but it still makes a useful or interesting contribution to the field I will absolutely cite it in my own work. This is especially prevalent with relatively minor artists, for whom there is not a lot of published material.",
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"content": "I graduated in 2013. I have averaged 2 reads a year. I get notified why someone downloads it. I have seen my dissertation be cited 5 times, in 3 dissertations and 2 low level publications. Might as well be no one reading it. Barely a blip on the radar.",
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"content": "I'm in applied math. It is probably true that nobody reads them. My master's thesis is getting alot of reads on Research Gate, but as far as I can tell it is most likely just some kind of bots. You can't really trust read metrics, you need to look at citations instead.",
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"content": "In particle physics, if you're working as part of a collaboration, new comers to the collaboration/research area may very well read other people's theses to get a good grounding in the area. Students writing up themselves will likely read your intro/theory sections to get an idea of what they should be including in theirs*. And as research topics often get passed onto new students (to update or improve upon with new data, or adapt to related research questions) researchers will likely read the thesis of the students who worked on it before them. \\* On this note, my thesis got downloaded frequently in three countries/locations in 1-3 month time periods, which I know correlated to three students writing their own theses (one even told me they were following the structure of my introduction for their own.)",
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"content": "I'm in archaeology and we read each other's dissertations quite often. Even if individual chapters are published in peer review journals the actual dissertation is usually the only place where *all* the data are included and that's usually what we need for comparative studies (a big part of archaeological analysis and interpretation).",
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"content": "In particle physics, if you're working as part of a collaboration, new comers to the collaboration/research area may very well read other people's theses to get a good grounding in the area. Students writing up themselves will likely read your intro/theory sections to get an idea of what they should be including in theirs*. And as research topics often get passed onto new students (to update or improve upon with new data, or adapt to related research questions) researchers will likely read the thesis of the students who worked on it before them. \\* On this note, my thesis got downloaded frequently in three countries/locations in 1-3 month time periods, which I know correlated to three students writing their own theses (one even told me they were following the structure of my introduction for their own.)",
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"content": "I'm in archaeology and we read each other's dissertations quite often. Even if individual chapters are published in peer review journals the actual dissertation is usually the only place where *all* the data are included and that's usually what we need for comparative studies (a big part of archaeological analysis and interpretation).",
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"content": "One of the fields of study I am in (dendrochronology) one of the most cited works is a dissertation (>2000 citations). Cook, E. R. (1985)",
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"content": "I read dissertations all the time. I believe they contain much more information compared to published papers. There are many times I would look up a guy's dissertation to find the way he did things because most papers skip the nitty-gritty details.",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "Some systematic reviews check ProQuest as one of the databases used to source papers on a topic. If your university deposits the dissertation here, it may be picked up by someone later on doing a systematic review that allows grey literature to be used.",
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"content": "I'd much rather cite a peer reviewed paper or published monograph than a dissertation.",
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"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things. | 0746244ed9a2c31a97e6dded49825b68aeac6fdb7545b166a959d82611df2ac6 | [
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "I have at least three theses and dissertations I’m drawing from for my own dissertation lit review...",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "I’m assuming things are field-dependent, but in bio-optics we read/reference dissertations every week",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "I would not recommend assuming this will be true. I was told this, and it was really wrong. I think with more and more stuff being online, dissertations have become easier to find and read.",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "I don't use them while writing articles, generally, but I do leisurely read them in my off time (hah, wait, what's that?) if I've found something that piques my interest outside my field. I find that it's a good way to introduce myself to something I \\*think\\* I want to delve into more deeply without going the route of my own deep research.",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "I hoped not but alas yes, people did/do read it. If it’s novel enough and time/place makes it relevant, yes they will read it. I say I hoped not because I later found a hilarious typo repeated a few times via auto correct.",
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"content": "I actually make it a practise to read the dissertation of an author, who's published PhD work I'm following or base my research upon. Often, there are some additional information and figures that are in the dissertation, that is omitted/simplified to make the peer-reviewed article, as concise as possible. Futhermore, for some who is new to the field, reading the introduction/literature review section of the dissertation could be an amazing opportunity to understand the motivation behind the research and the current state of the art.",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "From what I’ve gathered, a thesis is a vary large piece of work - while much of what is explored, tends to supplement known theories. However, with many non-stem subjects; which tend to require a vast literature review. Delving into a thesis with up to date reference, may help one attain summarised information within their required field. Which saves heaps of time, when trying to find those key pieces; plus, due to the rapid nature of academic publishing, books appear to become outdated quickly.",
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"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things. | 0746244ed9a2c31a97e6dded49825b68aeac6fdb7545b166a959d82611df2ac6 | [
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"content": "I'd much rather cite a peer reviewed paper or published monograph than a dissertation.",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "From my own experience in cell biology I’ve sought out theses when I’ve wanted more detail in the methods described in a paper from the same author. Generally look to actual papers for actual results and conclusions though",
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"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things. | 0746244ed9a2c31a97e6dded49825b68aeac6fdb7545b166a959d82611df2ac6 | [
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "One of the fields of study I am in (dendrochronology) one of the most cited works is a dissertation (>2000 citations). Cook, E. R. (1985)",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "Some systematic reviews check ProQuest as one of the databases used to source papers on a topic. If your university deposits the dissertation here, it may be picked up by someone later on doing a systematic review that allows grey literature to be used.",
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"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things. | 0746244ed9a2c31a97e6dded49825b68aeac6fdb7545b166a959d82611df2ac6 | [
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"content": "I have at least three theses and dissertations I’m drawing from for my own dissertation lit review...",
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "I’m assuming things are field-dependent, but in bio-optics we read/reference dissertations every week",
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"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things. | 0746244ed9a2c31a97e6dded49825b68aeac6fdb7545b166a959d82611df2ac6 | [
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "I would not recommend assuming this will be true. I was told this, and it was really wrong. I think with more and more stuff being online, dissertations have become easier to find and read.",
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"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things. | 0746244ed9a2c31a97e6dded49825b68aeac6fdb7545b166a959d82611df2ac6 | [
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"content": "\"Nobody reads dissertations after the defense\" - is this still broadly true? I remember hearing that dissertations are rarely read after the defense even before going to graduate school and, baring some field specific exceptions (e.g., mathematics), continued to hear the same thing. However, since finishing my dissertation I've noticed that the metrics from the library and sites like Research Gate seem to demonstrate the opposite - people are reading the dissertation as well as others that I know. Hundreds to thousands of views and downloads doesn't seem to be that uncommon. Is it time to retire the presumption that nobody will read the dissertation after the defense, or is something else going on that's tricking the stats? Off hand I would presume that digital archiving has actually make it easier to retrieve a dissertation so we might be in an era were people actually read the things.",
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"content": "I don't use them while writing articles, generally, but I do leisurely read them in my off time (hah, wait, what's that?) if I've found something that piques my interest outside my field. I find that it's a good way to introduce myself to something I \\*think\\* I want to delve into more deeply without going the route of my own deep research.",
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