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Why is it called a faculty retreat? The image 'retreat' brings to mind is withdrawing to seclusion and privacy in order to recuperate and rest. This is stressful. It's sitting in a room listening to administrators lecture about 'success types in educated' using crappy debunked personality tests, getting updates from departments I don't interact with, and meandering stories from people who I'm not sure why they're allowed to have a microphone. Shouldn't it be called something else? Faculty retreat from reality to maintain a grasp on sanity? | 76738bf4e8b2b02a1fba5101b80d822a4e51186411f45b2d9c13c60ec92e5677 | [
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Why is it called a faculty retreat? The image 'retreat' brings to mind is withdrawing to seclusion and privacy in order to recuperate and rest. This is stressful. It's sitting in a room listening to administrators lecture about 'success types in educated' using crappy debunked personality tests, getting updates from departments I don't interact with, and meandering stories from people who I'm not sure why they're allowed to have a microphone. Shouldn't it be called something else? Faculty retreat from reality to maintain a grasp on sanity? | 76738bf4e8b2b02a1fba5101b80d822a4e51186411f45b2d9c13c60ec92e5677 | [
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"content": "We call them “away days” in my department! Often we just go “away” to another building in the university though so we don’t go very far away :(",
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"content": "It puzzled me too when I first encountered the term. I'm not faculty, but I had to attend \"leadership retreats\" annually at an organization I worked in the past. It was also pretty much what you describe.\\*eyeroll\\* Couldn't stand it but enjoyed the food! I think it's just a common business term for spending a day away from workplace for whatever purpose.",
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"content": "We call them “away days” in my department! Often we just go “away” to another building in the university though so we don’t go very far away :(",
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"content": "Just be thankful the organizers haven't announced that \"we're calling this an advance, not a retreat, because we're moving forward!\"",
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Why is it called a faculty retreat? The image 'retreat' brings to mind is withdrawing to seclusion and privacy in order to recuperate and rest. This is stressful. It's sitting in a room listening to administrators lecture about 'success types in educated' using crappy debunked personality tests, getting updates from departments I don't interact with, and meandering stories from people who I'm not sure why they're allowed to have a microphone. Shouldn't it be called something else? Faculty retreat from reality to maintain a grasp on sanity? | 76738bf4e8b2b02a1fba5101b80d822a4e51186411f45b2d9c13c60ec92e5677 | [
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"content": "This is the worst thing ever. I would find an excuse not to go. It's a 6 hour meeting about nothing!",
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"content": "Think this is all about who and how it is done. One college I was at, the college had these kind of bed and breakfast type houses and the department would get one for the day. We all liked each other so it was fun in a way. My current department does a \"retreat.\" We go to someone's house and have a pot-luck. For the most part, we get along and these are actually our most productive meeting all year because we actually have time to discuss big issues. The first school I was at, the faculty hated each other so no one even pretended you could get them together for a retreat. Another school I was at, people got along fine at faculty meetings, but there was no way they were going to take a day away from research for a full day meeting. Now my current dean does a \"kick-off\" each year that sounds exactly like OP's meeting. God I hate those.",
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Why is it called a faculty retreat? The image 'retreat' brings to mind is withdrawing to seclusion and privacy in order to recuperate and rest. This is stressful. It's sitting in a room listening to administrators lecture about 'success types in educated' using crappy debunked personality tests, getting updates from departments I don't interact with, and meandering stories from people who I'm not sure why they're allowed to have a microphone. Shouldn't it be called something else? Faculty retreat from reality to maintain a grasp on sanity? | 76738bf4e8b2b02a1fba5101b80d822a4e51186411f45b2d9c13c60ec92e5677 | [
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"content": "We have off campus retreats for our grad student fellowship program. Its doubly insulting because many many grad students don't own cars and have no reliable way to get there.",
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Why is it called a faculty retreat? The image 'retreat' brings to mind is withdrawing to seclusion and privacy in order to recuperate and rest. This is stressful. It's sitting in a room listening to administrators lecture about 'success types in educated' using crappy debunked personality tests, getting updates from departments I don't interact with, and meandering stories from people who I'm not sure why they're allowed to have a microphone. Shouldn't it be called something else? Faculty retreat from reality to maintain a grasp on sanity? | 76738bf4e8b2b02a1fba5101b80d822a4e51186411f45b2d9c13c60ec92e5677 | [
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"content": "Would there be consequences if you say, just sat with a laptop and worked/read through the whole thing, occasionally looking up and participating (or possibly not even participating). Like is this school where they can punish you for not listening? How? I'm genuinely asking for my own future strategy :( Also, there's an academic in our department who does the laptop ignore and other analogous things - he seems to just simply not give a fuck and seems to face no consequences (he's relatively young too, but not new).",
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Why is it called a faculty retreat? The image 'retreat' brings to mind is withdrawing to seclusion and privacy in order to recuperate and rest. This is stressful. It's sitting in a room listening to administrators lecture about 'success types in educated' using crappy debunked personality tests, getting updates from departments I don't interact with, and meandering stories from people who I'm not sure why they're allowed to have a microphone. Shouldn't it be called something else? Faculty retreat from reality to maintain a grasp on sanity? | 76738bf4e8b2b02a1fba5101b80d822a4e51186411f45b2d9c13c60ec92e5677 | [
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"content": "We have departmental retreats - everyone goes - and these are fine. They're ok. They're actually kind of dull but wow, a faculty only retreat? NO THANKS",
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Why is it called a faculty retreat? The image 'retreat' brings to mind is withdrawing to seclusion and privacy in order to recuperate and rest. This is stressful. It's sitting in a room listening to administrators lecture about 'success types in educated' using crappy debunked personality tests, getting updates from departments I don't interact with, and meandering stories from people who I'm not sure why they're allowed to have a microphone. Shouldn't it be called something else? Faculty retreat from reality to maintain a grasp on sanity? | 76738bf4e8b2b02a1fba5101b80d822a4e51186411f45b2d9c13c60ec92e5677 | [
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"content": "What you are describing we call a \"workshop.\" We do have retreats though: they involve faculty (and *only* faculty) going to a camp in the woods or some sort of \"resort\" for a few days at a time, everything included, where we either work in isolation (\"writing retreat\") or sometimes on a specific topic in teams (\"departmental retreat\"). These are usually held when we are off-contract (summers) so we get extra pay as well. Retreats are far more productive (and relaxing) than workshops. At our retreats we usually drink in the evenings, play ping-pong, go on hikes, etc. Workshops, on the other hand, tend to end at 430 so you have to go home all stressed. By contrast, I love our writing retreats and go as often as I can (2-3 times per year usually) as it's a great way to get work done without being bothered, away from the phone/kids, and in a nice setting.",
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"content": "At my dept they used to hold it at a cool lakehouse but now its in some room in the student center.",
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Why is it called a faculty retreat? The image 'retreat' brings to mind is withdrawing to seclusion and privacy in order to recuperate and rest. This is stressful. It's sitting in a room listening to administrators lecture about 'success types in educated' using crappy debunked personality tests, getting updates from departments I don't interact with, and meandering stories from people who I'm not sure why they're allowed to have a microphone. Shouldn't it be called something else? Faculty retreat from reality to maintain a grasp on sanity? | 76738bf4e8b2b02a1fba5101b80d822a4e51186411f45b2d9c13c60ec92e5677 | [
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"content": "Just be thankful the organizers haven't announced that \"we're calling this an advance, not a retreat, because we're moving forward!\"",
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"content": "Why is it called a faculty retreat? The image 'retreat' brings to mind is withdrawing to seclusion and privacy in order to recuperate and rest. This is stressful. It's sitting in a room listening to administrators lecture about 'success types in educated' using crappy debunked personality tests, getting updates from departments I don't interact with, and meandering stories from people who I'm not sure why they're allowed to have a microphone. Shouldn't it be called something else? Faculty retreat from reality to maintain a grasp on sanity?",
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"content": "It puzzled me too when I first encountered the term. I'm not faculty, but I had to attend \"leadership retreats\" annually at an organization I worked in the past. It was also pretty much what you describe.\\*eyeroll\\* Couldn't stand it but enjoyed the food! I think it's just a common business term for spending a day away from workplace for whatever purpose.",
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Why is it called a faculty retreat? The image 'retreat' brings to mind is withdrawing to seclusion and privacy in order to recuperate and rest. This is stressful. It's sitting in a room listening to administrators lecture about 'success types in educated' using crappy debunked personality tests, getting updates from departments I don't interact with, and meandering stories from people who I'm not sure why they're allowed to have a microphone. Shouldn't it be called something else? Faculty retreat from reality to maintain a grasp on sanity? | 76738bf4e8b2b02a1fba5101b80d822a4e51186411f45b2d9c13c60ec92e5677 | [
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"content": "This is the worst thing ever. I would find an excuse not to go. It's a 6 hour meeting about nothing!",
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Why is it called a faculty retreat? The image 'retreat' brings to mind is withdrawing to seclusion and privacy in order to recuperate and rest. This is stressful. It's sitting in a room listening to administrators lecture about 'success types in educated' using crappy debunked personality tests, getting updates from departments I don't interact with, and meandering stories from people who I'm not sure why they're allowed to have a microphone. Shouldn't it be called something else? Faculty retreat from reality to maintain a grasp on sanity? | 76738bf4e8b2b02a1fba5101b80d822a4e51186411f45b2d9c13c60ec92e5677 | [
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"content": "Think this is all about who and how it is done. One college I was at, the college had these kind of bed and breakfast type houses and the department would get one for the day. We all liked each other so it was fun in a way. My current department does a \"retreat.\" We go to someone's house and have a pot-luck. For the most part, we get along and these are actually our most productive meeting all year because we actually have time to discuss big issues. The first school I was at, the faculty hated each other so no one even pretended you could get them together for a retreat. Another school I was at, people got along fine at faculty meetings, but there was no way they were going to take a day away from research for a full day meeting. Now my current dean does a \"kick-off\" each year that sounds exactly like OP's meeting. God I hate those.",
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"content": "> debunked personality tests My mom went to one of those and came back all hyped up about fengshui and all the “if your left thumb is over your right thumb when you make so and so shape with your fingers then you are right-brained” type of thing I honestly don’t know what happened during their retreat that washed “faculty” people into that.",
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"content": "What you are describing we call a \"workshop.\" We do have retreats though: they involve faculty (and *only* faculty) going to a camp in the woods or some sort of \"resort\" for a few days at a time, everything included, where we either work in isolation (\"writing retreat\") or sometimes on a specific topic in teams (\"departmental retreat\"). These are usually held when we are off-contract (summers) so we get extra pay as well. Retreats are far more productive (and relaxing) than workshops. At our retreats we usually drink in the evenings, play ping-pong, go on hikes, etc. Workshops, on the other hand, tend to end at 430 so you have to go home all stressed. By contrast, I love our writing retreats and go as often as I can (2-3 times per year usually) as it's a great way to get work done without being bothered, away from the phone/kids, and in a nice setting.",
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"content": "We have departmental retreats - everyone goes - and these are fine. They're ok. They're actually kind of dull but wow, a faculty only retreat? NO THANKS",
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Why is it called a faculty retreat? The image 'retreat' brings to mind is withdrawing to seclusion and privacy in order to recuperate and rest. This is stressful. It's sitting in a room listening to administrators lecture about 'success types in educated' using crappy debunked personality tests, getting updates from departments I don't interact with, and meandering stories from people who I'm not sure why they're allowed to have a microphone. Shouldn't it be called something else? Faculty retreat from reality to maintain a grasp on sanity? | 76738bf4e8b2b02a1fba5101b80d822a4e51186411f45b2d9c13c60ec92e5677 | [
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"content": "What you are describing we call a \"workshop.\" We do have retreats though: they involve faculty (and *only* faculty) going to a camp in the woods or some sort of \"resort\" for a few days at a time, everything included, where we either work in isolation (\"writing retreat\") or sometimes on a specific topic in teams (\"departmental retreat\"). These are usually held when we are off-contract (summers) so we get extra pay as well. Retreats are far more productive (and relaxing) than workshops. At our retreats we usually drink in the evenings, play ping-pong, go on hikes, etc. Workshops, on the other hand, tend to end at 430 so you have to go home all stressed. By contrast, I love our writing retreats and go as often as I can (2-3 times per year usually) as it's a great way to get work done without being bothered, away from the phone/kids, and in a nice setting.",
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Why is it called a faculty retreat? The image 'retreat' brings to mind is withdrawing to seclusion and privacy in order to recuperate and rest. This is stressful. It's sitting in a room listening to administrators lecture about 'success types in educated' using crappy debunked personality tests, getting updates from departments I don't interact with, and meandering stories from people who I'm not sure why they're allowed to have a microphone. Shouldn't it be called something else? Faculty retreat from reality to maintain a grasp on sanity? | 76738bf4e8b2b02a1fba5101b80d822a4e51186411f45b2d9c13c60ec92e5677 | [
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"content": "Play faculty meeting bingo. https://www.chronicle.com/article/Fill-Out-This-Bingo-Card/241022",
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"content": "The students have won this round. Sound the horn. We fall back. We bury our dead and tend to the wounded. We try to plan our next approach but everyone's tired, thinking of the life they left behind. All this promise, hopes and dreams laying in waste. The stress and fatigue has gotten to everyone and soon the arguments break out. Some have turned to drinking and some of the juniors are sitting in the corner in the fetal position crying quietly. By the time the retreat is complete we are fragmented, resentful, devoid of hope. But we shall return, more bitter than ever, as we let out our battle cry: \"YES IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE EXAM!\"",
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"content": "The students have won this round. Sound the horn. We fall back. We bury our dead and tend to the wounded. We try to plan our next approach but everyone's tired, thinking of the life they left behind. All this promise, hopes and dreams laying in waste. The stress and fatigue has gotten to everyone and soon the arguments break out. Some have turned to drinking and some of the juniors are sitting in the corner in the fetal position crying quietly. By the time the retreat is complete we are fragmented, resentful, devoid of hope. But we shall return, more bitter than ever, as we let out our battle cry: \"YES IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE EXAM!\"",
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"content": "welcome to the working world, mon frere except in industry its \"lets have our normal weekly meeting but we can throw a frisbee while we do it\"",
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Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best | 84455078d2f56b0a27b3d7edc99f29ca3d4a5169e6c07b79f4e88ff1b0cb1b49 | [
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "What type of project was this for? Was it the first publication on a grant prof A had received? Also I recommend (advice from my own advisor) that you lay out your expectations for authorship order before you start the paper. This way there is no confusion. But I do think you may “have a case”, but I’d just politely inquire about why you were not listed as first, then respond accordingly to their reasoning.",
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Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best | 84455078d2f56b0a27b3d7edc99f29ca3d4a5169e6c07b79f4e88ff1b0cb1b49 | [
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "Just from the info you've posted and the comments you've made, it's not clear whether this is unfair professor prerogative or totally fair authorship ordering based on the norms of your field. Either way, I would approach this by asking Profs. A and B *together* if there is anything you could do in order to earn first authorship. The reason to ask them *together* is so that Prof. A can't deny you and then claim you're going behind their back, and because Prof. B might be willing to advocate for you and come up with things you could do that would get you first authorship but would still satisfy Prof. A. If you don't have any meetings with them together, I would send a short email out before your meeting with Prof. A saying something like: > This draft looks great! Thanks so much blah blah. > As a PhD student, I'm thinking about building up my corpus of first author papers and I am wondering if there is anything I can do to earn first authorship on this paper. So far I have done this, this, and this (be VERY SPECIFIC so you don't erroneously take credit for stuff that you didn't do). How close am I to first authorship from those contributions? Is there anything I can still do to get there, or is the paper too close to completion now?",
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"content": "Just from the info you've posted and the comments you've made, it's not clear whether this is unfair professor prerogative or totally fair authorship ordering based on the norms of your field. Either way, I would approach this by asking Profs. A and B *together* if there is anything you could do in order to earn first authorship. The reason to ask them *together* is so that Prof. A can't deny you and then claim you're going behind their back, and because Prof. B might be willing to advocate for you and come up with things you could do that would get you first authorship but would still satisfy Prof. A. If you don't have any meetings with them together, I would send a short email out before your meeting with Prof. A saying something like: > This draft looks great! Thanks so much blah blah. > As a PhD student, I'm thinking about building up my corpus of first author papers and I am wondering if there is anything I can do to earn first authorship on this paper. So far I have done this, this, and this (be VERY SPECIFIC so you don't erroneously take credit for stuff that you didn't do). How close am I to first authorship from those contributions? Is there anything I can still do to get there, or is the paper too close to completion now?",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "If you were/should be first author, why would Professor A be sending out a draft? I'm confused because that's the job of the first author.",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "Just from the info you've posted and the comments you've made, it's not clear whether this is unfair professor prerogative or totally fair authorship ordering based on the norms of your field. Either way, I would approach this by asking Profs. A and B *together* if there is anything you could do in order to earn first authorship. The reason to ask them *together* is so that Prof. A can't deny you and then claim you're going behind their back, and because Prof. B might be willing to advocate for you and come up with things you could do that would get you first authorship but would still satisfy Prof. A. If you don't have any meetings with them together, I would send a short email out before your meeting with Prof. A saying something like: > This draft looks great! Thanks so much blah blah. > As a PhD student, I'm thinking about building up my corpus of first author papers and I am wondering if there is anything I can do to earn first authorship on this paper. So far I have done this, this, and this (be VERY SPECIFIC so you don't erroneously take credit for stuff that you didn't do). How close am I to first authorship from those contributions? Is there anything I can still do to get there, or is the paper too close to completion now?",
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"content": "Just from the info you've posted and the comments you've made, it's not clear whether this is unfair professor prerogative or totally fair authorship ordering based on the norms of your field. Either way, I would approach this by asking Profs. A and B *together* if there is anything you could do in order to earn first authorship. The reason to ask them *together* is so that Prof. A can't deny you and then claim you're going behind their back, and because Prof. B might be willing to advocate for you and come up with things you could do that would get you first authorship but would still satisfy Prof. A. If you don't have any meetings with them together, I would send a short email out before your meeting with Prof. A saying something like: > This draft looks great! Thanks so much blah blah. > As a PhD student, I'm thinking about building up my corpus of first author papers and I am wondering if there is anything I can do to earn first authorship on this paper. So far I have done this, this, and this (be VERY SPECIFIC so you don't erroneously take credit for stuff that you didn't do). How close am I to first authorship from those contributions? Is there anything I can still do to get there, or is the paper too close to completion now?",
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"content": "In some fields the professor in charge is listed as first author regardless of how much work they did. In most fields they’re listed as last author, but this does vary. I’ve also been told there are cultural differences in author order in different countries. Finally, I know one famous chemist who’s listed in the most prominent position on papers that his former students who are now professors themselves should be listed as PI on.",
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"content": "Just from the info you've posted and the comments you've made, it's not clear whether this is unfair professor prerogative or totally fair authorship ordering based on the norms of your field. Either way, I would approach this by asking Profs. A and B *together* if there is anything you could do in order to earn first authorship. The reason to ask them *together* is so that Prof. A can't deny you and then claim you're going behind their back, and because Prof. B might be willing to advocate for you and come up with things you could do that would get you first authorship but would still satisfy Prof. A. If you don't have any meetings with them together, I would send a short email out before your meeting with Prof. A saying something like: > This draft looks great! Thanks so much blah blah. > As a PhD student, I'm thinking about building up my corpus of first author papers and I am wondering if there is anything I can do to earn first authorship on this paper. So far I have done this, this, and this (be VERY SPECIFIC so you don't erroneously take credit for stuff that you didn't do). How close am I to first authorship from those contributions? Is there anything I can still do to get there, or is the paper too close to completion now?",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "> I am junior researcher within social science. At what level? Are you a masters student? PhD student? Postdoc?",
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"content": "Just from the info you've posted and the comments you've made, it's not clear whether this is unfair professor prerogative or totally fair authorship ordering based on the norms of your field. Either way, I would approach this by asking Profs. A and B *together* if there is anything you could do in order to earn first authorship. The reason to ask them *together* is so that Prof. A can't deny you and then claim you're going behind their back, and because Prof. B might be willing to advocate for you and come up with things you could do that would get you first authorship but would still satisfy Prof. A. If you don't have any meetings with them together, I would send a short email out before your meeting with Prof. A saying something like: > This draft looks great! Thanks so much blah blah. > As a PhD student, I'm thinking about building up my corpus of first author papers and I am wondering if there is anything I can do to earn first authorship on this paper. So far I have done this, this, and this (be VERY SPECIFIC so you don't erroneously take credit for stuff that you didn't do). How close am I to first authorship from those contributions? Is there anything I can still do to get there, or is the paper too close to completion now?",
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"content": "Just from the info you've posted and the comments you've made, it's not clear whether this is unfair professor prerogative or totally fair authorship ordering based on the norms of your field. Either way, I would approach this by asking Profs. A and B *together* if there is anything you could do in order to earn first authorship. The reason to ask them *together* is so that Prof. A can't deny you and then claim you're going behind their back, and because Prof. B might be willing to advocate for you and come up with things you could do that would get you first authorship but would still satisfy Prof. A. If you don't have any meetings with them together, I would send a short email out before your meeting with Prof. A saying something like: > This draft looks great! Thanks so much blah blah. > As a PhD student, I'm thinking about building up my corpus of first author papers and I am wondering if there is anything I can do to earn first authorship on this paper. So far I have done this, this, and this (be VERY SPECIFIC so you don't erroneously take credit for stuff that you didn't do). How close am I to first authorship from those contributions? Is there anything I can still do to get there, or is the paper too close to completion now?",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "PhD student in a social sciences field here. I’ve had this happen to me and several of my lab mates. It can be very frustrating, especially given the power dynamic in a mentoring relationship. In my experience, the professor took 1st author because they needed to show their productivity and/or they needed to show they’ve done work in the field for future grant submissions. Both of these reasons aren’t your problem, so I can see why it’s upsetting to put in the effort and not get 1st author. Previously I’ve had a conversation with a different mentor that did this. I said I wanted to professionally discuss the authorship order, and they were very welcoming to the conversation - although the order didn’t change. It’s a hard scenario to be in, wishing you luck.",
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"content": "Just from the info you've posted and the comments you've made, it's not clear whether this is unfair professor prerogative or totally fair authorship ordering based on the norms of your field. Either way, I would approach this by asking Profs. A and B *together* if there is anything you could do in order to earn first authorship. The reason to ask them *together* is so that Prof. A can't deny you and then claim you're going behind their back, and because Prof. B might be willing to advocate for you and come up with things you could do that would get you first authorship but would still satisfy Prof. A. If you don't have any meetings with them together, I would send a short email out before your meeting with Prof. A saying something like: > This draft looks great! Thanks so much blah blah. > As a PhD student, I'm thinking about building up my corpus of first author papers and I am wondering if there is anything I can do to earn first authorship on this paper. So far I have done this, this, and this (be VERY SPECIFIC so you don't erroneously take credit for stuff that you didn't do). How close am I to first authorship from those contributions? Is there anything I can still do to get there, or is the paper too close to completion now?",
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"content": "Just from the info you've posted and the comments you've made, it's not clear whether this is unfair professor prerogative or totally fair authorship ordering based on the norms of your field. Either way, I would approach this by asking Profs. A and B *together* if there is anything you could do in order to earn first authorship. The reason to ask them *together* is so that Prof. A can't deny you and then claim you're going behind their back, and because Prof. B might be willing to advocate for you and come up with things you could do that would get you first authorship but would still satisfy Prof. A. If you don't have any meetings with them together, I would send a short email out before your meeting with Prof. A saying something like: > This draft looks great! Thanks so much blah blah. > As a PhD student, I'm thinking about building up my corpus of first author papers and I am wondering if there is anything I can do to earn first authorship on this paper. So far I have done this, this, and this (be VERY SPECIFIC so you don't erroneously take credit for stuff that you didn't do). How close am I to first authorship from those contributions? Is there anything I can still do to get there, or is the paper too close to completion now?",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "Is Prof A well-known within your field? Sometimes the reason for a person being listed first for a collaborative paper is because their name and reputation carry more weight, which can increase the likelihood of the paper being accepted into a top journal. It isn't \"fair\" in the sense that your personal work might not be acknowledged as much as it should be, but usually when that decision is made it's because the benefits of a paper leading with a prestigious name are worthwhile in the long run. I noticed you mentioned in a comment that you're still a PhD student, so I'm assuming (although please correct me if I'm wrong) that you won't have made much of a name for yourself yet in your field. It's also worth considering how the work for this particular project is divided between data acquisition, data analysis, and the actual write-up. As it was pointed out in another comment, sometimes data acquisition and analysis are a much bigger part of a project/paper than writing it up at the end, so although you may have done 75% of the write-up, your collaborators might not think that that equates to you actually having done 75% of the total work. Also, depending on how much the final idea deviated from the idea of yours that you said the paper is based on, that could give Prof A reason to think that their input was of more value than yours. Of course I'm not saying that any of this is necessarily the case; just that it might be how Prof A views the situation. If you do feel that Prof A's input couldn't possibly have been greater than yours, the best approach would be to simply ask politely why they decided to put their name first, and see what they have to say before considering your own response. If their argument is that they think they did the largest portion of the work and you believe otherwise, then approaching Prof B to get their opinion would probably be worthwhile. If, however, Prof A cites the benefits of their prestige and reputation giving the paper better publication opportunities, then that's probably something you're just going to have to suck up for the meanwhile. I can tell you from experience that it's worth it in the long run to sacrifice your ego a little in the early days for better professional opportunities and better relationships with your colleagues. The benefits of having those at your disposal later will inevitably outweigh any residual frustration from feeling shortchanged in early authorship credits.",
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"content": "Just from the info you've posted and the comments you've made, it's not clear whether this is unfair professor prerogative or totally fair authorship ordering based on the norms of your field. Either way, I would approach this by asking Profs. A and B *together* if there is anything you could do in order to earn first authorship. The reason to ask them *together* is so that Prof. A can't deny you and then claim you're going behind their back, and because Prof. B might be willing to advocate for you and come up with things you could do that would get you first authorship but would still satisfy Prof. A. If you don't have any meetings with them together, I would send a short email out before your meeting with Prof. A saying something like: > This draft looks great! Thanks so much blah blah. > As a PhD student, I'm thinking about building up my corpus of first author papers and I am wondering if there is anything I can do to earn first authorship on this paper. So far I have done this, this, and this (be VERY SPECIFIC so you don't erroneously take credit for stuff that you didn't do). How close am I to first authorship from those contributions? Is there anything I can still do to get there, or is the paper too close to completion now?",
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Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best | 84455078d2f56b0a27b3d7edc99f29ca3d4a5169e6c07b79f4e88ff1b0cb1b49 | [
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"content": "If you were/should be first author, why would Professor A be sending out a draft? I'm confused because that's the job of the first author.",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "In some fields the professor in charge is listed as first author regardless of how much work they did. In most fields they’re listed as last author, but this does vary. I’ve also been told there are cultural differences in author order in different countries. Finally, I know one famous chemist who’s listed in the most prominent position on papers that his former students who are now professors themselves should be listed as PI on.",
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Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best | 84455078d2f56b0a27b3d7edc99f29ca3d4a5169e6c07b79f4e88ff1b0cb1b49 | [
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"content": "If you were/should be first author, why would Professor A be sending out a draft? I'm confused because that's the job of the first author.",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "> I am junior researcher within social science. At what level? Are you a masters student? PhD student? Postdoc?",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "If you were/should be first author, why would Professor A be sending out a draft? I'm confused because that's the job of the first author.",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "PhD student in a social sciences field here. I’ve had this happen to me and several of my lab mates. It can be very frustrating, especially given the power dynamic in a mentoring relationship. In my experience, the professor took 1st author because they needed to show their productivity and/or they needed to show they’ve done work in the field for future grant submissions. Both of these reasons aren’t your problem, so I can see why it’s upsetting to put in the effort and not get 1st author. Previously I’ve had a conversation with a different mentor that did this. I said I wanted to professionally discuss the authorship order, and they were very welcoming to the conversation - although the order didn’t change. It’s a hard scenario to be in, wishing you luck.",
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Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best | 84455078d2f56b0a27b3d7edc99f29ca3d4a5169e6c07b79f4e88ff1b0cb1b49 | [
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "Is Prof A well-known within your field? Sometimes the reason for a person being listed first for a collaborative paper is because their name and reputation carry more weight, which can increase the likelihood of the paper being accepted into a top journal. It isn't \"fair\" in the sense that your personal work might not be acknowledged as much as it should be, but usually when that decision is made it's because the benefits of a paper leading with a prestigious name are worthwhile in the long run. I noticed you mentioned in a comment that you're still a PhD student, so I'm assuming (although please correct me if I'm wrong) that you won't have made much of a name for yourself yet in your field. It's also worth considering how the work for this particular project is divided between data acquisition, data analysis, and the actual write-up. As it was pointed out in another comment, sometimes data acquisition and analysis are a much bigger part of a project/paper than writing it up at the end, so although you may have done 75% of the write-up, your collaborators might not think that that equates to you actually having done 75% of the total work. Also, depending on how much the final idea deviated from the idea of yours that you said the paper is based on, that could give Prof A reason to think that their input was of more value than yours. Of course I'm not saying that any of this is necessarily the case; just that it might be how Prof A views the situation. If you do feel that Prof A's input couldn't possibly have been greater than yours, the best approach would be to simply ask politely why they decided to put their name first, and see what they have to say before considering your own response. If their argument is that they think they did the largest portion of the work and you believe otherwise, then approaching Prof B to get their opinion would probably be worthwhile. If, however, Prof A cites the benefits of their prestige and reputation giving the paper better publication opportunities, then that's probably something you're just going to have to suck up for the meanwhile. I can tell you from experience that it's worth it in the long run to sacrifice your ego a little in the early days for better professional opportunities and better relationships with your colleagues. The benefits of having those at your disposal later will inevitably outweigh any residual frustration from feeling shortchanged in early authorship credits.",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "In some fields the professor in charge is listed as first author regardless of how much work they did. In most fields they’re listed as last author, but this does vary. I’ve also been told there are cultural differences in author order in different countries. Finally, I know one famous chemist who’s listed in the most prominent position on papers that his former students who are now professors themselves should be listed as PI on.",
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"content": "> I am junior researcher within social science. At what level? Are you a masters student? PhD student? Postdoc?",
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Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best | 84455078d2f56b0a27b3d7edc99f29ca3d4a5169e6c07b79f4e88ff1b0cb1b49 | [
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"content": "It’s always a good idea to discuss order of authorship at the outset so expectations are clear from the beginning….",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "How is prof. B involved? Which one is more senior, prof. A or prof. B? If prof. B is more senior and has influence over prof A then you might also want to talk to prof B.",
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Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best | 84455078d2f56b0a27b3d7edc99f29ca3d4a5169e6c07b79f4e88ff1b0cb1b49 | [
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "I’ve worked in Humanities and in CompSci. In Humanities, I was a PhD student. We would put my supervisor first as that created more “legitimacy” for the paper and was the done thing. In CompSci, I was a postdoc and the lab’s CI always went last, whether he did a quick review or wrote half the paper. The most important part, however, was that authorship discussions happened up front. Prof A might be well within their rights here - I don’t work in SS so I have no idea. By all means discuss it with them, but don’t go in guns blazing. Just mention you are unsure as to what the authorship ordering should be and why. Often times senior academics are as much playing the game as you are, and might themselves think the ordering is silly but know it is a necessary evil. Good luck and congrats on the paper!",
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"content": "Is Prof A well-known within your field? Sometimes the reason for a person being listed first for a collaborative paper is because their name and reputation carry more weight, which can increase the likelihood of the paper being accepted into a top journal. It isn't \"fair\" in the sense that your personal work might not be acknowledged as much as it should be, but usually when that decision is made it's because the benefits of a paper leading with a prestigious name are worthwhile in the long run. I noticed you mentioned in a comment that you're still a PhD student, so I'm assuming (although please correct me if I'm wrong) that you won't have made much of a name for yourself yet in your field. It's also worth considering how the work for this particular project is divided between data acquisition, data analysis, and the actual write-up. As it was pointed out in another comment, sometimes data acquisition and analysis are a much bigger part of a project/paper than writing it up at the end, so although you may have done 75% of the write-up, your collaborators might not think that that equates to you actually having done 75% of the total work. Also, depending on how much the final idea deviated from the idea of yours that you said the paper is based on, that could give Prof A reason to think that their input was of more value than yours. Of course I'm not saying that any of this is necessarily the case; just that it might be how Prof A views the situation. If you do feel that Prof A's input couldn't possibly have been greater than yours, the best approach would be to simply ask politely why they decided to put their name first, and see what they have to say before considering your own response. If their argument is that they think they did the largest portion of the work and you believe otherwise, then approaching Prof B to get their opinion would probably be worthwhile. If, however, Prof A cites the benefits of their prestige and reputation giving the paper better publication opportunities, then that's probably something you're just going to have to suck up for the meanwhile. I can tell you from experience that it's worth it in the long run to sacrifice your ego a little in the early days for better professional opportunities and better relationships with your colleagues. The benefits of having those at your disposal later will inevitably outweigh any residual frustration from feeling shortchanged in early authorship credits.",
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"content": "I’ve worked in Humanities and in CompSci. In Humanities, I was a PhD student. We would put my supervisor first as that created more “legitimacy” for the paper and was the done thing. In CompSci, I was a postdoc and the lab’s CI always went last, whether he did a quick review or wrote half the paper. The most important part, however, was that authorship discussions happened up front. Prof A might be well within their rights here - I don’t work in SS so I have no idea. By all means discuss it with them, but don’t go in guns blazing. Just mention you are unsure as to what the authorship ordering should be and why. Often times senior academics are as much playing the game as you are, and might themselves think the ordering is silly but know it is a necessary evil. Good luck and congrats on the paper!",
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"content": "How is prof. B involved? Which one is more senior, prof. A or prof. B? If prof. B is more senior and has influence over prof A then you might also want to talk to prof B.",
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"content": "I’ve worked in Humanities and in CompSci. In Humanities, I was a PhD student. We would put my supervisor first as that created more “legitimacy” for the paper and was the done thing. In CompSci, I was a postdoc and the lab’s CI always went last, whether he did a quick review or wrote half the paper. The most important part, however, was that authorship discussions happened up front. Prof A might be well within their rights here - I don’t work in SS so I have no idea. By all means discuss it with them, but don’t go in guns blazing. Just mention you are unsure as to what the authorship ordering should be and why. Often times senior academics are as much playing the game as you are, and might themselves think the ordering is silly but know it is a necessary evil. Good luck and congrats on the paper!",
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"content": "Is prof A tenured? Is she going up for a promotion soon? If she's bucking for tenure/promotion soon that might well shade her decision to put herself first. I always resolved this by rotating first authorship with students as I was developing in academia. When I became a full prof it just didn't matter anymore and so I went to last author.",
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"content": "I’ve worked in Humanities and in CompSci. In Humanities, I was a PhD student. We would put my supervisor first as that created more “legitimacy” for the paper and was the done thing. In CompSci, I was a postdoc and the lab’s CI always went last, whether he did a quick review or wrote half the paper. The most important part, however, was that authorship discussions happened up front. Prof A might be well within their rights here - I don’t work in SS so I have no idea. By all means discuss it with them, but don’t go in guns blazing. Just mention you are unsure as to what the authorship ordering should be and why. Often times senior academics are as much playing the game as you are, and might themselves think the ordering is silly but know it is a necessary evil. Good luck and congrats on the paper!",
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"content": "Isn't this how social science publishing works until you graduate and make a name for yourself? Doesn't the University own it anyway?",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "Is this alphabetical ordering?",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "I’ve worked in Humanities and in CompSci. In Humanities, I was a PhD student. We would put my supervisor first as that created more “legitimacy” for the paper and was the done thing. In CompSci, I was a postdoc and the lab’s CI always went last, whether he did a quick review or wrote half the paper. The most important part, however, was that authorship discussions happened up front. Prof A might be well within their rights here - I don’t work in SS so I have no idea. By all means discuss it with them, but don’t go in guns blazing. Just mention you are unsure as to what the authorship ordering should be and why. Often times senior academics are as much playing the game as you are, and might themselves think the ordering is silly but know it is a necessary evil. Good luck and congrats on the paper!",
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Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best | 84455078d2f56b0a27b3d7edc99f29ca3d4a5169e6c07b79f4e88ff1b0cb1b49 | [
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "I’ve worked in Humanities and in CompSci. In Humanities, I was a PhD student. We would put my supervisor first as that created more “legitimacy” for the paper and was the done thing. In CompSci, I was a postdoc and the lab’s CI always went last, whether he did a quick review or wrote half the paper. The most important part, however, was that authorship discussions happened up front. Prof A might be well within their rights here - I don’t work in SS so I have no idea. By all means discuss it with them, but don’t go in guns blazing. Just mention you are unsure as to what the authorship ordering should be and why. Often times senior academics are as much playing the game as you are, and might themselves think the ordering is silly but know it is a necessary evil. Good luck and congrats on the paper!",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "Assuming no other details, you are being taken advantage of. Your professor is treating you unfairly, acting in his or her own best interest.",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "I’ve worked in Humanities and in CompSci. In Humanities, I was a PhD student. We would put my supervisor first as that created more “legitimacy” for the paper and was the done thing. In CompSci, I was a postdoc and the lab’s CI always went last, whether he did a quick review or wrote half the paper. The most important part, however, was that authorship discussions happened up front. Prof A might be well within their rights here - I don’t work in SS so I have no idea. By all means discuss it with them, but don’t go in guns blazing. Just mention you are unsure as to what the authorship ordering should be and why. Often times senior academics are as much playing the game as you are, and might themselves think the ordering is silly but know it is a necessary evil. Good luck and congrats on the paper!",
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Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best | 84455078d2f56b0a27b3d7edc99f29ca3d4a5169e6c07b79f4e88ff1b0cb1b49 | [
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"content": "I’ve worked in Humanities and in CompSci. In Humanities, I was a PhD student. We would put my supervisor first as that created more “legitimacy” for the paper and was the done thing. In CompSci, I was a postdoc and the lab’s CI always went last, whether he did a quick review or wrote half the paper. The most important part, however, was that authorship discussions happened up front. Prof A might be well within their rights here - I don’t work in SS so I have no idea. By all means discuss it with them, but don’t go in guns blazing. Just mention you are unsure as to what the authorship ordering should be and why. Often times senior academics are as much playing the game as you are, and might themselves think the ordering is silly but know it is a necessary evil. Good luck and congrats on the paper!",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "I hope the irony of this injustice given the field of study is not lost on people.",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best | 84455078d2f56b0a27b3d7edc99f29ca3d4a5169e6c07b79f4e88ff1b0cb1b49 | [
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "Is prof A tenured? Is she going up for a promotion soon? If she's bucking for tenure/promotion soon that might well shade her decision to put herself first. I always resolved this by rotating first authorship with students as I was developing in academia. When I became a full prof it just didn't matter anymore and so I went to last author.",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "Isn't this how social science publishing works until you graduate and make a name for yourself? Doesn't the University own it anyway?",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "Is prof A tenured? Is she going up for a promotion soon? If she's bucking for tenure/promotion soon that might well shade her decision to put herself first. I always resolved this by rotating first authorship with students as I was developing in academia. When I became a full prof it just didn't matter anymore and so I went to last author.",
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Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best | 84455078d2f56b0a27b3d7edc99f29ca3d4a5169e6c07b79f4e88ff1b0cb1b49 | [
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "Is prof A tenured? Is she going up for a promotion soon? If she's bucking for tenure/promotion soon that might well shade her decision to put herself first. I always resolved this by rotating first authorship with students as I was developing in academia. When I became a full prof it just didn't matter anymore and so I went to last author.",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "Is this alphabetical ordering?",
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"content": "Is prof A tenured? Is she going up for a promotion soon? If she's bucking for tenure/promotion soon that might well shade her decision to put herself first. I always resolved this by rotating first authorship with students as I was developing in academia. When I became a full prof it just didn't matter anymore and so I went to last author.",
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Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best | 84455078d2f56b0a27b3d7edc99f29ca3d4a5169e6c07b79f4e88ff1b0cb1b49 | [
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "Is prof A tenured? Is she going up for a promotion soon? If she's bucking for tenure/promotion soon that might well shade her decision to put herself first. I always resolved this by rotating first authorship with students as I was developing in academia. When I became a full prof it just didn't matter anymore and so I went to last author.",
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"content": "Advice: professor listed as first author despite I did most of the work Hi, I am junior researcher within social science. I have been working on a paper for one and a half year with two professors, A and B. We are currently in the process of preparing the final draft before submission. Prof. A just sent out a draft listing herself as first author, me as second and prof. B as third. The paper is based on my idea, I have spent most of the time on the project and written 75 percent of the current draft. I cannot fathom why prof. A took the decision to put herself as first author. I have a meeting tomorrow with prof. A and wanted to discuss this issue. However, I do not know whether I have a case or not and how to approach the issue in a professional manner. Perhaps you could provide some insight or feedback? ​ Best",
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"content": "Assuming no other details, you are being taken advantage of. Your professor is treating you unfairly, acting in his or her own best interest.",
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how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience. | 6cab430b29cff527b4d0e1b1a32126d4fe74d31d27725e591897b4c31ec5e7be | [
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "I dunno if this is a hot take but imo you don't need to work more than 9-5. I got a high grade for my research masters doing this. I also allowed myself to finish the workday early if i was getting overwhelmed or if my brain felt fried. I took mental health days too",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "Why do you want to? A significant part of higher education is about independent learning; that means learning on your own and also learning to work independently. Instead of trying to emulate a youtuber who is presenting a very narrow view of her life and selling you her agenda, focus on what works for you. 3-4h a day of quality study is quite a lot and much better than 12h of shit study and eventual burnout.",
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"content": "I dunno if this is a hot take but imo you don't need to work more than 9-5. I got a high grade for my research masters doing this. I also allowed myself to finish the workday early if i was getting overwhelmed or if my brain felt fried. I took mental health days too",
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"content": "I dunno if this is a hot take but imo you don't need to work more than 9-5. I got a high grade for my research masters doing this. I also allowed myself to finish the workday early if i was getting overwhelmed or if my brain felt fried. I took mental health days too",
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"content": "There’s some good evidence that studying for long stretches like that is sort of the opposite of what works best: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacing_effect",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "Why do you want to? A significant part of higher education is about independent learning; that means learning on your own and also learning to work independently. Instead of trying to emulate a youtuber who is presenting a very narrow view of her life and selling you her agenda, focus on what works for you. 3-4h a day of quality study is quite a lot and much better than 12h of shit study and eventual burnout.",
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how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience. | 6cab430b29cff527b4d0e1b1a32126d4fe74d31d27725e591897b4c31ec5e7be | [
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "During my studies at the university, I had 7 hours of classes per day (except on Thursdays) and I had easily to work 4 hours in the evening every single day. Basically, learning the classes of the day, rewriting the solutions on the exercises in a nice way, making revision cards, preparing for the next classes, etc. We had oral exams every week and had to be up-to-date with everything. I never had any burnout, in fact I did not know this even existed at that time. So, yes, in some curriculums you may need to work around that amount of time per day and this is that can be learned. An important thing that needs to be learned is time management, which can be dramatically optimized. At some point working that amount of time will become natural. I am now a researcher and I can easily work 12 hours a day but that does not mean that I am productive during those 12 hours but I have a lot of things to manage such as students, administrative paperwork, research, funding applications, etc.",
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"content": "Your goal should be finding a way to study that works for you, not emulating someone else. I assume that like most people your ability to capture new information and recall it effectively diminishes rapidly as you get tired. It is far more effective to study within your own capacity to take in information, and to do so frequently. Small sessions, performed frequently > long sessions, performed infrequently.",
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"content": "As others have pointed out, everyone studies differently. It took until my PhD thesis to realise that I only need to work 2-3 hours a day to get good work done. 2 hours before midday and then an hour later in the afternoon. Just find what suits you best.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "As others have pointed out, everyone studies differently. It took until my PhD thesis to realise that I only need to work 2-3 hours a day to get good work done. 2 hours before midday and then an hour later in the afternoon. Just find what suits you best.",
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how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience. | 6cab430b29cff527b4d0e1b1a32126d4fe74d31d27725e591897b4c31ec5e7be | [
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "As others have pointed out, everyone studies differently. It took until my PhD thesis to realise that I only need to work 2-3 hours a day to get good work done. 2 hours before midday and then an hour later in the afternoon. Just find what suits you best.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "I once did a survey of medical students, average was 3 hours a day and never over 4",
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"content": "As others have pointed out, everyone studies differently. It took until my PhD thesis to realise that I only need to work 2-3 hours a day to get good work done. 2 hours before midday and then an hour later in the afternoon. Just find what suits you best.",
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how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience. | 6cab430b29cff527b4d0e1b1a32126d4fe74d31d27725e591897b4c31ec5e7be | [
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "As others have pointed out, everyone studies differently. It took until my PhD thesis to realise that I only need to work 2-3 hours a day to get good work done. 2 hours before midday and then an hour later in the afternoon. Just find what suits you best.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "You're just wildly ineffective. Anyone can find 12 hours of *something* to do that's related to what they need to study. That doesn't mean they're getting anything additional from it.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "As others have pointed out, everyone studies differently. It took until my PhD thesis to realise that I only need to work 2-3 hours a day to get good work done. 2 hours before midday and then an hour later in the afternoon. Just find what suits you best.",
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how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience. | 6cab430b29cff527b4d0e1b1a32126d4fe74d31d27725e591897b4c31ec5e7be | [
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "As others have pointed out, everyone studies differently. It took until my PhD thesis to realise that I only need to work 2-3 hours a day to get good work done. 2 hours before midday and then an hour later in the afternoon. Just find what suits you best.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "Absolutely counter productive. You'll lose more time failing at rote memorization alone.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "As others have pointed out, everyone studies differently. It took until my PhD thesis to realise that I only need to work 2-3 hours a day to get good work done. 2 hours before midday and then an hour later in the afternoon. Just find what suits you best.",
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how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience. | 6cab430b29cff527b4d0e1b1a32126d4fe74d31d27725e591897b4c31ec5e7be | [
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience. | 6cab430b29cff527b4d0e1b1a32126d4fe74d31d27725e591897b4c31ec5e7be | [
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "I can’t believe that study YouTube live streams is a thing.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "You're just wildly ineffective. Anyone can find 12 hours of *something* to do that's related to what they need to study. That doesn't mean they're getting anything additional from it.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience. | 6cab430b29cff527b4d0e1b1a32126d4fe74d31d27725e591897b4c31ec5e7be | [
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "I can’t believe that study YouTube live streams is a thing.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "Absolutely counter productive. You'll lose more time failing at rote memorization alone.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience. | 6cab430b29cff527b4d0e1b1a32126d4fe74d31d27725e591897b4c31ec5e7be | [
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "You're just wildly ineffective. Anyone can find 12 hours of *something* to do that's related to what they need to study. That doesn't mean they're getting anything additional from it.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "I once did a survey of medical students, average was 3 hours a day and never over 4",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "You're just wildly ineffective. Anyone can find 12 hours of *something* to do that's related to what they need to study. That doesn't mean they're getting anything additional from it.",
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how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience. | 6cab430b29cff527b4d0e1b1a32126d4fe74d31d27725e591897b4c31ec5e7be | [
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "Rule 1 of academia: Never compare yourself in any way or form to someone else. We are all special snowflakes and learn/do things differently. What works for some may not work for others.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "Every discipline has its own balance between absorbing information and synthesizing/critiquing it. For analytic philosophy, I can pretty quickly reach a point where reading too much leaves me with no perspective of my own, so I try to restrict the amount of reading I do. Most of my productive time involves either talking ideas through with colleagues (reading groups are great for this), writing, or turning ideas over in my mind as I do other things (in my case, cooking or walking.) The hours on all those activities combined *might* add up to more than 10 hours a day on occasion, but mostly I'm only really focused on reading for 2-3 hours at most, writing for 2-3 hours more, and the rest of my day happens as it happens. I also have teaching commitments which can be related to the specific topics I'm working on but usually aren't. This is very much going to depend on the subject (I have colleagues who study Kant or the Scholastics and read much more, and logician friends who read less but write more) so take all this with a grain of salt.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Rule 1 of academia: Never compare yourself in any way or form to someone else. We are all special snowflakes and learn/do things differently. What works for some may not work for others.",
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how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience. | 6cab430b29cff527b4d0e1b1a32126d4fe74d31d27725e591897b4c31ec5e7be | [
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
"role": "user"
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"content": "Rule 1 of academia: Never compare yourself in any way or form to someone else. We are all special snowflakes and learn/do things differently. What works for some may not work for others.",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
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"content": "What exactly do you get from watching someone else study?",
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"content": "how can you study for twelve hours a day?? Basically the title. I follow a study youtuber that does live streams every single day, with her videos sometimes being 10-12 hours of studying (pomodoro sessions, but still!!). As someone that cannot possibly study for more than 3-4 hours a day I feel baffled. So do tell me. Is it possible to train yourself to do so? Do people like this youtuber experience burnout often? I'd love to hear your experience.",
"role": "user"
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "Congratulations! I became pregnant during the final year of my chemical engineering PhD, and like you, had outstanding experiments that involved harsh chemicals that I didn’t want to expose the fetus to. I had a great relationship with my advisor, and so I chose to tell him about the pregnancy early (around 6-7 weeks). Together we then decided to bring on a master’s student to do all the wet lab work, while I remained in charge of planning the experiments, analyzing the data, and writing it up. While training the student we ran mock experiments using non-toxic chemicals. Perhaps you can do something similar and bring on a student to do the wet lab work for you, who can become a coauthor on the eventual paper?",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "I don't have any personal experience with this, but one thought: you can always say that you are not able to do a certain task / work in a certain location for health-related reasons. You do not have to specify what the health-related reason is. If your boss presses, you can say that it is a private health matter and offer to have a doctor provide a note that, similarly, does not go into the specifics of your situation. Congratulations on your pregnancy, and good luck with navigating this.",
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"content": "Congratulations! I became pregnant during the final year of my chemical engineering PhD, and like you, had outstanding experiments that involved harsh chemicals that I didn’t want to expose the fetus to. I had a great relationship with my advisor, and so I chose to tell him about the pregnancy early (around 6-7 weeks). Together we then decided to bring on a master’s student to do all the wet lab work, while I remained in charge of planning the experiments, analyzing the data, and writing it up. While training the student we ran mock experiments using non-toxic chemicals. Perhaps you can do something similar and bring on a student to do the wet lab work for you, who can become a coauthor on the eventual paper?",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "Congratulations! I became pregnant during the final year of my chemical engineering PhD, and like you, had outstanding experiments that involved harsh chemicals that I didn’t want to expose the fetus to. I had a great relationship with my advisor, and so I chose to tell him about the pregnancy early (around 6-7 weeks). Together we then decided to bring on a master’s student to do all the wet lab work, while I remained in charge of planning the experiments, analyzing the data, and writing it up. While training the student we ran mock experiments using non-toxic chemicals. Perhaps you can do something similar and bring on a student to do the wet lab work for you, who can become a coauthor on the eventual paper?",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "I don’t have any suggestions, but congrats!! I imagine that you can use your non lab time to focus on analysis & writing. Hopefully everyone involved will be understanding & willing to work with you.",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "We had a ton of pregnancies in our lab (two of which were mine as the lab coordinator). I know it's hard to share pregnancy information but I highly recommend that you do so with your PI. My MSDS folder had a check for all the chemicals it was okay for pregnant lab members to work with. If you want to wait, check yourself you might not be working with anything harmful. In that case, you can wait to say something. You'd be surprised at how many are okay and okayish (we wore hazard masks for okayish). The facilities lab coordinator made us completely stop with the okayish ones so extractions during pregnancy just had to be done by other folks in the lab. Luckily our lab had PLENTY to do so it wasn't an issue. This portion of your life if a snap shot. Your child is not. Check your MSDS, research what you're working with and I recommend NOT taking avoidable risks. Another poster was absolutely right. You don't have to fully disclose.",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "For my previous pregnancy, I told my boss and coworkers at around 5 weeks. It wasn't my preference but I was working on fixing/troubleshooting an old peptide synthesizer at the time, and it used large quantities of dangerous chemicals in a not very well-ventilated area...I didn't want to risk it. They were a bit surprised (maybe because I'm a lesbian lol) but overall happy for me and I was taken off that duty right away. We scrapped the machine shortly thereafter anyway. For the next go around (currently trying now), I want to wait until I'm further along to tell. But I work with only minimal amounts of anything dangerous and can easily avoid exposure with PPE. Good luck and congratulations! I know what it feels like to finally be pregnant after fertility struggles, so happy for you!",
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"content": "We had a ton of pregnancies in our lab (two of which were mine as the lab coordinator). I know it's hard to share pregnancy information but I highly recommend that you do so with your PI. My MSDS folder had a check for all the chemicals it was okay for pregnant lab members to work with. If you want to wait, check yourself you might not be working with anything harmful. In that case, you can wait to say something. You'd be surprised at how many are okay and okayish (we wore hazard masks for okayish). The facilities lab coordinator made us completely stop with the okayish ones so extractions during pregnancy just had to be done by other folks in the lab. Luckily our lab had PLENTY to do so it wasn't an issue. This portion of your life if a snap shot. Your child is not. Check your MSDS, research what you're working with and I recommend NOT taking avoidable risks. Another poster was absolutely right. You don't have to fully disclose.",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "We had a ton of pregnancies in our lab (two of which were mine as the lab coordinator). I know it's hard to share pregnancy information but I highly recommend that you do so with your PI. My MSDS folder had a check for all the chemicals it was okay for pregnant lab members to work with. If you want to wait, check yourself you might not be working with anything harmful. In that case, you can wait to say something. You'd be surprised at how many are okay and okayish (we wore hazard masks for okayish). The facilities lab coordinator made us completely stop with the okayish ones so extractions during pregnancy just had to be done by other folks in the lab. Luckily our lab had PLENTY to do so it wasn't an issue. This portion of your life if a snap shot. Your child is not. Check your MSDS, research what you're working with and I recommend NOT taking avoidable risks. Another poster was absolutely right. You don't have to fully disclose.",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "I don't have any personal experience with this, but one thought: you can always say that you are not able to do a certain task / work in a certain location for health-related reasons. You do not have to specify what the health-related reason is. If your boss presses, you can say that it is a private health matter and offer to have a doctor provide a note that, similarly, does not go into the specifics of your situation. Congratulations on your pregnancy, and good luck with navigating this.",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "Have other people do the actual synthesizing parts or do without it. You can still do all the synthetic planning, help them troubleshoot purification, etc., but you shouldn't actually expose yourself to these chemicals. Very few chemicals have actually known reproductive effects, and some common ones are known to be bad (eg toluene). The risks just aren't worth it. This is also a personal thing, but I would recommend telling them now and starting your precautions immediately. Depending on country/laws/university policy they may or may not be forced to actually allow you to not work in lab, but now is when your baby is most vulnerable to these kind of things. Plus, even if there's no policy forcing the professor to act, I can't think of a professor who wouldn't radically change plans because their mentee is expecting. This is one of the few things that academia is actually very good about work-life balance wise. And two potentially relevant articles. https://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i6/Chemists-Struggle-Infertility-Miscarriage.html https://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2006/04/top-five-challenges-pregnant-scientists",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "We had a ton of pregnancies in our lab (two of which were mine as the lab coordinator). I know it's hard to share pregnancy information but I highly recommend that you do so with your PI. My MSDS folder had a check for all the chemicals it was okay for pregnant lab members to work with. If you want to wait, check yourself you might not be working with anything harmful. In that case, you can wait to say something. You'd be surprised at how many are okay and okayish (we wore hazard masks for okayish). The facilities lab coordinator made us completely stop with the okayish ones so extractions during pregnancy just had to be done by other folks in the lab. Luckily our lab had PLENTY to do so it wasn't an issue. This portion of your life if a snap shot. Your child is not. Check your MSDS, research what you're working with and I recommend NOT taking avoidable risks. Another poster was absolutely right. You don't have to fully disclose.",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "We had a ton of pregnancies in our lab (two of which were mine as the lab coordinator). I know it's hard to share pregnancy information but I highly recommend that you do so with your PI. My MSDS folder had a check for all the chemicals it was okay for pregnant lab members to work with. If you want to wait, check yourself you might not be working with anything harmful. In that case, you can wait to say something. You'd be surprised at how many are okay and okayish (we wore hazard masks for okayish). The facilities lab coordinator made us completely stop with the okayish ones so extractions during pregnancy just had to be done by other folks in the lab. Luckily our lab had PLENTY to do so it wasn't an issue. This portion of your life if a snap shot. Your child is not. Check your MSDS, research what you're working with and I recommend NOT taking avoidable risks. Another poster was absolutely right. You don't have to fully disclose.",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "In a well run lab there shouldn't be any additional risks to your baby. Make sure all risk assessments and lab safety protocols are up-to-date. I did my PhD in a chemistry lab and my PI had two preganancies during that time and both were fine. Congratulations on your happy result! This is understandably an anxious time for you but a chemistry lab is not an unsafe place to be. If it was no-one would be allowed to work there, not just pregnant women. Once you're comfortable telling your PI come up with a plan between the two of you to make the most of your time before maternity leave. Your biggest issue will be when you get big your bump will get in the way of being able to do bench work and standing up for hours will be really uncomfortable.",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "For my previous pregnancy, I told my boss and coworkers at around 5 weeks. It wasn't my preference but I was working on fixing/troubleshooting an old peptide synthesizer at the time, and it used large quantities of dangerous chemicals in a not very well-ventilated area...I didn't want to risk it. They were a bit surprised (maybe because I'm a lesbian lol) but overall happy for me and I was taken off that duty right away. We scrapped the machine shortly thereafter anyway. For the next go around (currently trying now), I want to wait until I'm further along to tell. But I work with only minimal amounts of anything dangerous and can easily avoid exposure with PPE. Good luck and congratulations! I know what it feels like to finally be pregnant after fertility struggles, so happy for you!",
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"content": "Have other people do the actual synthesizing parts or do without it. You can still do all the synthetic planning, help them troubleshoot purification, etc., but you shouldn't actually expose yourself to these chemicals. Very few chemicals have actually known reproductive effects, and some common ones are known to be bad (eg toluene). The risks just aren't worth it. This is also a personal thing, but I would recommend telling them now and starting your precautions immediately. Depending on country/laws/university policy they may or may not be forced to actually allow you to not work in lab, but now is when your baby is most vulnerable to these kind of things. Plus, even if there's no policy forcing the professor to act, I can't think of a professor who wouldn't radically change plans because their mentee is expecting. This is one of the few things that academia is actually very good about work-life balance wise. And two potentially relevant articles. https://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i6/Chemists-Struggle-Infertility-Miscarriage.html https://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2006/04/top-five-challenges-pregnant-scientists",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "I don't have any personal experience with this, but one thought: you can always say that you are not able to do a certain task / work in a certain location for health-related reasons. You do not have to specify what the health-related reason is. If your boss presses, you can say that it is a private health matter and offer to have a doctor provide a note that, similarly, does not go into the specifics of your situation. Congratulations on your pregnancy, and good luck with navigating this.",
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"content": "Have other people do the actual synthesizing parts or do without it. You can still do all the synthetic planning, help them troubleshoot purification, etc., but you shouldn't actually expose yourself to these chemicals. Very few chemicals have actually known reproductive effects, and some common ones are known to be bad (eg toluene). The risks just aren't worth it. This is also a personal thing, but I would recommend telling them now and starting your precautions immediately. Depending on country/laws/university policy they may or may not be forced to actually allow you to not work in lab, but now is when your baby is most vulnerable to these kind of things. Plus, even if there's no policy forcing the professor to act, I can't think of a professor who wouldn't radically change plans because their mentee is expecting. This is one of the few things that academia is actually very good about work-life balance wise. And two potentially relevant articles. https://cen.acs.org/articles/94/i6/Chemists-Struggle-Infertility-Miscarriage.html https://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2006/04/top-five-challenges-pregnant-scientists",
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"content": "Your university almost certainly has a plan for pregnant lab workers that is likely posted on your health and safety offices website. Contacting safety about this will not be reported to your PI, and will likely put you into some monitoring program depending on the hazards that you are normally exposed to. Also, depending on the state OSHA has strict guidelines as well.",
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"content": "Probably useless comment as I'm not in the US but.... Aren't you legally required to disclose pregnancy and be moved outside the lab if you work with hazardous substances? It's your employer problem, not yours",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "In a well run lab there shouldn't be any additional risks to your baby. Make sure all risk assessments and lab safety protocols are up-to-date. I did my PhD in a chemistry lab and my PI had two preganancies during that time and both were fine. Congratulations on your happy result! This is understandably an anxious time for you but a chemistry lab is not an unsafe place to be. If it was no-one would be allowed to work there, not just pregnant women. Once you're comfortable telling your PI come up with a plan between the two of you to make the most of your time before maternity leave. Your biggest issue will be when you get big your bump will get in the way of being able to do bench work and standing up for hours will be really uncomfortable.",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "Similar to others, I'd tell my PI so you could set up accomodations. You can tell others you need some help with some experiments before you are ready to let people know about the pregnancy. When I was pregnant, I told my PI pretty early to set up those accomodations and reasons if I needed to leave for a doctor appointment. Even though I do solely computer work, I had a good enough relationship with my PI to have those talks (I had to use the bathroom a lot). I also trusted my PI wouldn't tell others before I was ready (other than his wife but she didn't interact with our lab a lot and could also keep the secret). I also told my PI in case of a miscarriage. I unfortunately did have one while in this lab. My PI let me take some time off to grieve and heal from the miscarriage. I'm not suggesting this will happen for you. But when I got pregnant again, I again told my PI as soon as I knew (confirmed by doctor at 8 weeks) in case I needed to take time again. The pregnancy was successful but I'm glad I at least told my PI. The rest of my labmates were told after the first trimester when the risk of miscarriage is much lower (and I was further along than when I did have my miscarriage).",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "Similar to others, I'd tell my PI so you could set up accomodations. You can tell others you need some help with some experiments before you are ready to let people know about the pregnancy. When I was pregnant, I told my PI pretty early to set up those accomodations and reasons if I needed to leave for a doctor appointment. Even though I do solely computer work, I had a good enough relationship with my PI to have those talks (I had to use the bathroom a lot). I also trusted my PI wouldn't tell others before I was ready (other than his wife but she didn't interact with our lab a lot and could also keep the secret). I also told my PI in case of a miscarriage. I unfortunately did have one while in this lab. My PI let me take some time off to grieve and heal from the miscarriage. I'm not suggesting this will happen for you. But when I got pregnant again, I again told my PI as soon as I knew (confirmed by doctor at 8 weeks) in case I needed to take time again. The pregnancy was successful but I'm glad I at least told my PI. The rest of my labmates were told after the first trimester when the risk of miscarriage is much lower (and I was further along than when I did have my miscarriage).",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "In a well run lab there shouldn't be any additional risks to your baby. Make sure all risk assessments and lab safety protocols are up-to-date. I did my PhD in a chemistry lab and my PI had two preganancies during that time and both were fine. Congratulations on your happy result! This is understandably an anxious time for you but a chemistry lab is not an unsafe place to be. If it was no-one would be allowed to work there, not just pregnant women. Once you're comfortable telling your PI come up with a plan between the two of you to make the most of your time before maternity leave. Your biggest issue will be when you get big your bump will get in the way of being able to do bench work and standing up for hours will be really uncomfortable.",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "Similar to others, I'd tell my PI so you could set up accomodations. You can tell others you need some help with some experiments before you are ready to let people know about the pregnancy. When I was pregnant, I told my PI pretty early to set up those accomodations and reasons if I needed to leave for a doctor appointment. Even though I do solely computer work, I had a good enough relationship with my PI to have those talks (I had to use the bathroom a lot). I also trusted my PI wouldn't tell others before I was ready (other than his wife but she didn't interact with our lab a lot and could also keep the secret). I also told my PI in case of a miscarriage. I unfortunately did have one while in this lab. My PI let me take some time off to grieve and heal from the miscarriage. I'm not suggesting this will happen for you. But when I got pregnant again, I again told my PI as soon as I knew (confirmed by doctor at 8 weeks) in case I needed to take time again. The pregnancy was successful but I'm glad I at least told my PI. The rest of my labmates were told after the first trimester when the risk of miscarriage is much lower (and I was further along than when I did have my miscarriage).",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "This pregnancy is extremely important to you. Tell the PI immediately and make an alternative arrangement as others have suggested. You do not want anything to happen, especially during the first trimester when things are most fragile. I'm hoping that your pregnancy goes well and you have an amazing experience!",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "1-Ask your doctor about the actual risks 2-Contact you union to learn about your obligations and rights in this situation, I know in Canada you could be required to leave by doctor's order/ follow strict health and safety regulations. You can also contact the public resources about your rights/ obligations where you live if you are not unionized. 3-Then contact HR to ask about the procedures and protect yourself by communicating via emails. 4- Inform your supervisor of the risks, the medical papers for preventive withdrawal (if needed) and suggest accommodations. Don't endanger yourself and your fetus and make sure to follow health and safety rules in order to protect yourself from \"law-breaking\" consequences (if you are not supposed to be there and break safety rules in a lab and end up endangering others it's not good either). Hiding it so far could create a bunch of problems if it's actually very bad for the fetus/ you (remember, pregnant women are like the canary in the mine) and kind of break trust if you have a good relationship if your supervisor ends up having to prove they didnt know and didnt force a pregnant woman to work under dangerous conditions... \\*If the supervisor is known to be problematic with pregnant women, you can register the conversation when you announce it, I know a prof at my uni told a phd student doing a lot of lab work she refused to work with her anymore (mid-phd...) because she told her she was pregnant and \"wanted the results faster\"... so having ways to protect yourself is important.",
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"content": "This pregnancy is extremely important to you. Tell the PI immediately and make an alternative arrangement as others have suggested. You do not want anything to happen, especially during the first trimester when things are most fragile. I'm hoping that your pregnancy goes well and you have an amazing experience!",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "This pregnancy is extremely important to you. Tell the PI immediately and make an alternative arrangement as others have suggested. You do not want anything to happen, especially during the first trimester when things are most fragile. I'm hoping that your pregnancy goes well and you have an amazing experience!",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "Probably useless comment as I'm not in the US but.... Aren't you legally required to disclose pregnancy and be moved outside the lab if you work with hazardous substances? It's your employer problem, not yours",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "This pregnancy is extremely important to you. Tell the PI immediately and make an alternative arrangement as others have suggested. You do not want anything to happen, especially during the first trimester when things are most fragile. I'm hoping that your pregnancy goes well and you have an amazing experience!",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "I don’t have any suggestions, but congrats!! I imagine that you can use your non lab time to focus on analysis & writing. Hopefully everyone involved will be understanding & willing to work with you.",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "This pregnancy is extremely important to you. Tell the PI immediately and make an alternative arrangement as others have suggested. You do not want anything to happen, especially during the first trimester when things are most fragile. I'm hoping that your pregnancy goes well and you have an amazing experience!",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "In a well run lab there shouldn't be any additional risks to your baby. Make sure all risk assessments and lab safety protocols are up-to-date. I did my PhD in a chemistry lab and my PI had two preganancies during that time and both were fine. Congratulations on your happy result! This is understandably an anxious time for you but a chemistry lab is not an unsafe place to be. If it was no-one would be allowed to work there, not just pregnant women. Once you're comfortable telling your PI come up with a plan between the two of you to make the most of your time before maternity leave. Your biggest issue will be when you get big your bump will get in the way of being able to do bench work and standing up for hours will be really uncomfortable.",
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Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks! | 2cbe17b83ca901138136e57462a7067efa02e6f2fb16c284a39dbb2369b4581b | [
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "Congrats to you! I'm a geochemist, we inherently do different lab work, but I also deal with some pretty hairy chemicals in the fume hood (like heavy liquids TBE and MI, which no one should be around while pregnant). You know your own risks, and maybe it worth a quick revisit of your MSDS sheets, but personally I would air on the side of extreme caution and tell the PI but also ask for discretion. Perhaps this is time you can use to train someone to finish your in lab tasks so you can wrap up your pubs in the net few months. Congrats again!",
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"content": "Pregnant postdoc in a chemistry lab Hi all, I've been in my current postdoc position in the organic chemistry field (US) for almost two years now (33yo). I and my PI have discussed recently starting writing papers to prepare for switching positions by next year. But I still have some pieces left to complete a paper. I've struggled with infertility for many years. I am pregnant through IVF, it's now only 6 weeks. Until now, I am still doing research in the lab, even wearing PPE and performing in the hood, it's impossible to not be exposed to organic solvents. I plan to tell my boss until 10 weeks or so when the miscarriage chance significantly decreases. My major concern is the risks of continuing the lab works on the fetus. This pregnancy is too precious for us, I won't take any risks. I would like to hear people who have similar experiences or any suggestions are welcoming! Thanks!",
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"content": "Probably useless comment as I'm not in the US but.... Aren't you legally required to disclose pregnancy and be moved outside the lab if you work with hazardous substances? It's your employer problem, not yours",
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"content": "In a well run lab there shouldn't be any additional risks to your baby. Make sure all risk assessments and lab safety protocols are up-to-date. I did my PhD in a chemistry lab and my PI had two preganancies during that time and both were fine. Congratulations on your happy result! This is understandably an anxious time for you but a chemistry lab is not an unsafe place to be. If it was no-one would be allowed to work there, not just pregnant women. Once you're comfortable telling your PI come up with a plan between the two of you to make the most of your time before maternity leave. Your biggest issue will be when you get big your bump will get in the way of being able to do bench work and standing up for hours will be really uncomfortable.",
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"content": "1-Ask your doctor about the actual risks 2-Contact you union to learn about your obligations and rights in this situation, I know in Canada you could be required to leave by doctor's order/ follow strict health and safety regulations. You can also contact the public resources about your rights/ obligations where you live if you are not unionized. 3-Then contact HR to ask about the procedures and protect yourself by communicating via emails. 4- Inform your supervisor of the risks, the medical papers for preventive withdrawal (if needed) and suggest accommodations. Don't endanger yourself and your fetus and make sure to follow health and safety rules in order to protect yourself from \"law-breaking\" consequences (if you are not supposed to be there and break safety rules in a lab and end up endangering others it's not good either). Hiding it so far could create a bunch of problems if it's actually very bad for the fetus/ you (remember, pregnant women are like the canary in the mine) and kind of break trust if you have a good relationship if your supervisor ends up having to prove they didnt know and didnt force a pregnant woman to work under dangerous conditions... \\*If the supervisor is known to be problematic with pregnant women, you can register the conversation when you announce it, I know a prof at my uni told a phd student doing a lot of lab work she refused to work with her anymore (mid-phd...) because she told her she was pregnant and \"wanted the results faster\"... so having ways to protect yourself is important.",
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"content": "Probably useless comment as I'm not in the US but.... Aren't you legally required to disclose pregnancy and be moved outside the lab if you work with hazardous substances? It's your employer problem, not yours",
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