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"content": "Research \"Penpal\"? Would anyone be interested in being research \"penpals\"? I'm working on finishing up my undergrad thesis before I move for my PhD program next month. I think it would be helpful to have a sort of \"penpal\" to help keep me accountable, and of course I would do the same in return. We could just chat once a week or so and update each other on what we've accomplished this week. I wouldn't mind looking at your writing to give my opinion either, and do some light editing. My field is clinical psych, but I think it would be cool to hear about research from another area too!",
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"content": "Great idea! Would definitely help stay accountable the summer before grad school",
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"content": "Research \"Penpal\"? Would anyone be interested in being research \"penpals\"? I'm working on finishing up my undergrad thesis before I move for my PhD program next month. I think it would be helpful to have a sort of \"penpal\" to help keep me accountable, and of course I would do the same in return. We could just chat once a week or so and update each other on what we've accomplished this week. I wouldn't mind looking at your writing to give my opinion either, and do some light editing. My field is clinical psych, but I think it would be cool to hear about research from another area too!",
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"content": "Research \"Penpal\"? Would anyone be interested in being research \"penpals\"? I'm working on finishing up my undergrad thesis before I move for my PhD program next month. I think it would be helpful to have a sort of \"penpal\" to help keep me accountable, and of course I would do the same in return. We could just chat once a week or so and update each other on what we've accomplished this week. I wouldn't mind looking at your writing to give my opinion either, and do some light editing. My field is clinical psych, but I think it would be cool to hear about research from another area too!",
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"content": "I would love this! I'm in computer science though. Anyone else in that area?",
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"content": "Research \"Penpal\"? Would anyone be interested in being research \"penpals\"? I'm working on finishing up my undergrad thesis before I move for my PhD program next month. I think it would be helpful to have a sort of \"penpal\" to help keep me accountable, and of course I would do the same in return. We could just chat once a week or so and update each other on what we've accomplished this week. I wouldn't mind looking at your writing to give my opinion either, and do some light editing. My field is clinical psych, but I think it would be cool to hear about research from another area too!",
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"content": "This is a good idea. It's great to get perspectives from people at other institutions.",
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"content": "I would love this! I'm in computer science though. Anyone else in that area?",
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"content": "Research \"Penpal\"? Would anyone be interested in being research \"penpals\"? I'm working on finishing up my undergrad thesis before I move for my PhD program next month. I think it would be helpful to have a sort of \"penpal\" to help keep me accountable, and of course I would do the same in return. We could just chat once a week or so and update each other on what we've accomplished this week. I wouldn't mind looking at your writing to give my opinion either, and do some light editing. My field is clinical psych, but I think it would be cool to hear about research from another area too!",
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"content": "Great idea! Would definitely help stay accountable the summer before grad school",
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"content": "Research \"Penpal\"? Would anyone be interested in being research \"penpals\"? I'm working on finishing up my undergrad thesis before I move for my PhD program next month. I think it would be helpful to have a sort of \"penpal\" to help keep me accountable, and of course I would do the same in return. We could just chat once a week or so and update each other on what we've accomplished this week. I wouldn't mind looking at your writing to give my opinion either, and do some light editing. My field is clinical psych, but I think it would be cool to hear about research from another area too!",
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Research "Penpal"? Would anyone be interested in being research "penpals"? I'm working on finishing up my undergrad thesis before I move for my PhD program next month. I think it would be helpful to have a sort of "penpal" to help keep me accountable, and of course I would do the same in return. We could just chat once a week or so and update each other on what we've accomplished this week. I wouldn't mind looking at your writing to give my opinion either, and do some light editing. My field is clinical psych, but I think it would be cool to hear about research from another area too! | e175a50a3e55418c51f0213046376aa4abab3edb7d6958c6d7ee44b999e07ab3 | [
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"content": "Research \"Penpal\"? Would anyone be interested in being research \"penpals\"? I'm working on finishing up my undergrad thesis before I move for my PhD program next month. I think it would be helpful to have a sort of \"penpal\" to help keep me accountable, and of course I would do the same in return. We could just chat once a week or so and update each other on what we've accomplished this week. I wouldn't mind looking at your writing to give my opinion either, and do some light editing. My field is clinical psych, but I think it would be cool to hear about research from another area too!",
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"content": "Research \"Penpal\"? Would anyone be interested in being research \"penpals\"? I'm working on finishing up my undergrad thesis before I move for my PhD program next month. I think it would be helpful to have a sort of \"penpal\" to help keep me accountable, and of course I would do the same in return. We could just chat once a week or so and update each other on what we've accomplished this week. I wouldn't mind looking at your writing to give my opinion either, and do some light editing. My field is clinical psych, but I think it would be cool to hear about research from another area too!",
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"content": "Great idea! Would definitely help stay accountable the summer before grad school",
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"content": "Research \"Penpal\"? Would anyone be interested in being research \"penpals\"? I'm working on finishing up my undergrad thesis before I move for my PhD program next month. I think it would be helpful to have a sort of \"penpal\" to help keep me accountable, and of course I would do the same in return. We could just chat once a week or so and update each other on what we've accomplished this week. I wouldn't mind looking at your writing to give my opinion either, and do some light editing. My field is clinical psych, but I think it would be cool to hear about research from another area too!",
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"content": "Research \"Penpal\"? Would anyone be interested in being research \"penpals\"? I'm working on finishing up my undergrad thesis before I move for my PhD program next month. I think it would be helpful to have a sort of \"penpal\" to help keep me accountable, and of course I would do the same in return. We could just chat once a week or so and update each other on what we've accomplished this week. I wouldn't mind looking at your writing to give my opinion either, and do some light editing. My field is clinical psych, but I think it would be cool to hear about research from another area too!",
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"content": "Real talk: This exists. It doesn't help. All programs have some kind of \"thesis agreement\". When I had +300 citations and did everything in my thesis agreement, my PI wouldn't let me graduate. The department wouldn't help. Words won't help you when the relationship is non-equitable, and nobody is interested in fixing this.",
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"content": "Real talk: This exists. It doesn't help. All programs have some kind of \"thesis agreement\". When I had +300 citations and did everything in my thesis agreement, my PI wouldn't let me graduate. The department wouldn't help. Words won't help you when the relationship is non-equitable, and nobody is interested in fixing this.",
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4th Year Phd...My Advisor Was Denied Tenure... Hello everyone! ​ I found out this morning that my advisor was denied tenure. His contract runs through May 2020, which is conceivably when I should graduate, but I have so many questions. I very firmly do NOT want to switch advisors, he's the most supportive professor I've ever met and has been helping me develop my research all 4 years of the program so he is very familiar with my work and is supportive despite my fairly controversial dissertation topic (I'm doing applied stats in a political science program). I'm his only student. I don't know what happens next...has anyone been through this? What happens now? I'm devastated. | e66e1a2f93b9df6a4c36c5f9c2abff69de1e7013cdfcac57f22dbf3772c315fa | [
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"content": "4th Year Phd...My Advisor Was Denied Tenure... Hello everyone! ​ I found out this morning that my advisor was denied tenure. His contract runs through May 2020, which is conceivably when I should graduate, but I have so many questions. I very firmly do NOT want to switch advisors, he's the most supportive professor I've ever met and has been helping me develop my research all 4 years of the program so he is very familiar with my work and is supportive despite my fairly controversial dissertation topic (I'm doing applied stats in a political science program). I'm his only student. I don't know what happens next...has anyone been through this? What happens now? I'm devastated.",
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"content": "Make plans for a co-chair. It doesn't matter if you don't want to switch - your advisor may be gone before 2020. And let this stand as a message to all the earlier-career students out there: Don't pick something only one person at your department can conceivably chair, and don't pick pretenure faculty to chair (alone) a dissertation committee.",
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"content": "4th Year Phd...My Advisor Was Denied Tenure... Hello everyone! ​ I found out this morning that my advisor was denied tenure. His contract runs through May 2020, which is conceivably when I should graduate, but I have so many questions. I very firmly do NOT want to switch advisors, he's the most supportive professor I've ever met and has been helping me develop my research all 4 years of the program so he is very familiar with my work and is supportive despite my fairly controversial dissertation topic (I'm doing applied stats in a political science program). I'm his only student. I don't know what happens next...has anyone been through this? What happens now? I'm devastated.",
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"content": "I agree you need to talk with your advisor. And maybe your grad school faculty rep (my department had one faculty responsible for all the grad students and would handle matters like this). When my department had this happen to one of their faculty, he had two students: a first year master's student and a fourth year PhD student. The Masters was able to finish before he left but the PhD student had to switch pans cause she couldn't finish in time. She ended up having to start a new project and took longer. The sooner you figure out if you are going to push like lightening to finish before he leaves or switch advisors. My department has allowed outside University committee members if you had enough members from the department on your committee. I wonder if you can switch your advisor into one if these outside advisors if he does leave before his contract is up. Don't know if it would work.",
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"content": "Make plans for a co-chair. It doesn't matter if you don't want to switch - your advisor may be gone before 2020. And let this stand as a message to all the earlier-career students out there: Don't pick something only one person at your department can conceivably chair, and don't pick pretenure faculty to chair (alone) a dissertation committee.",
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4th Year Phd...My Advisor Was Denied Tenure... Hello everyone! ​ I found out this morning that my advisor was denied tenure. His contract runs through May 2020, which is conceivably when I should graduate, but I have so many questions. I very firmly do NOT want to switch advisors, he's the most supportive professor I've ever met and has been helping me develop my research all 4 years of the program so he is very familiar with my work and is supportive despite my fairly controversial dissertation topic (I'm doing applied stats in a political science program). I'm his only student. I don't know what happens next...has anyone been through this? What happens now? I'm devastated. | e66e1a2f93b9df6a4c36c5f9c2abff69de1e7013cdfcac57f22dbf3772c315fa | [
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"content": "Make plans for a co-chair. It doesn't matter if you don't want to switch - your advisor may be gone before 2020. And let this stand as a message to all the earlier-career students out there: Don't pick something only one person at your department can conceivably chair, and don't pick pretenure faculty to chair (alone) a dissertation committee.",
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"content": "4th Year Phd...My Advisor Was Denied Tenure... Hello everyone! ​ I found out this morning that my advisor was denied tenure. His contract runs through May 2020, which is conceivably when I should graduate, but I have so many questions. I very firmly do NOT want to switch advisors, he's the most supportive professor I've ever met and has been helping me develop my research all 4 years of the program so he is very familiar with my work and is supportive despite my fairly controversial dissertation topic (I'm doing applied stats in a political science program). I'm his only student. I don't know what happens next...has anyone been through this? What happens now? I'm devastated.",
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"content": "Talk to your advisor. The best thing is to push and do your best to graduate in 2020 as planned. If there's a chance that you will take longer, you may have the option to transfer with your advisor to wherever they go next (it's not uncommon for faculty hires to bring senior PhD students with them). However the devil is always in the details with that sort of thing, as there are issues to work out with respect to qualifying exams, where your degree actually comes from, etc.",
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4th Year Phd...My Advisor Was Denied Tenure... Hello everyone! ​ I found out this morning that my advisor was denied tenure. His contract runs through May 2020, which is conceivably when I should graduate, but I have so many questions. I very firmly do NOT want to switch advisors, he's the most supportive professor I've ever met and has been helping me develop my research all 4 years of the program so he is very familiar with my work and is supportive despite my fairly controversial dissertation topic (I'm doing applied stats in a political science program). I'm his only student. I don't know what happens next...has anyone been through this? What happens now? I'm devastated. | e66e1a2f93b9df6a4c36c5f9c2abff69de1e7013cdfcac57f22dbf3772c315fa | [
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"content": "4th Year Phd...My Advisor Was Denied Tenure... Hello everyone! ​ I found out this morning that my advisor was denied tenure. His contract runs through May 2020, which is conceivably when I should graduate, but I have so many questions. I very firmly do NOT want to switch advisors, he's the most supportive professor I've ever met and has been helping me develop my research all 4 years of the program so he is very familiar with my work and is supportive despite my fairly controversial dissertation topic (I'm doing applied stats in a political science program). I'm his only student. I don't know what happens next...has anyone been through this? What happens now? I'm devastated.",
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"content": "I'm not going to lie, this may cause some problems, but I think that you'll be able to make it. The first thing I recommend you do is TALK TO YOUR ADVISOR openly and honestly. Find out if he's planning on staying out his contract. My advisor didn't get tenure and quit a month later (although he was secretly planning on quitting for a while, I believe) which left me in a difficult position. Your greatest ally in this situation is foreknowledge. Edit: Also, assuming you have a committee, talk to them as well. One of your committee members may end up being your new advisor (this is what my department tried to have me do), so make sure there is somebody there who is on your side and who you mutually like.",
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"content": "4th Year Phd...My Advisor Was Denied Tenure... Hello everyone! ​ I found out this morning that my advisor was denied tenure. His contract runs through May 2020, which is conceivably when I should graduate, but I have so many questions. I very firmly do NOT want to switch advisors, he's the most supportive professor I've ever met and has been helping me develop my research all 4 years of the program so he is very familiar with my work and is supportive despite my fairly controversial dissertation topic (I'm doing applied stats in a political science program). I'm his only student. I don't know what happens next...has anyone been through this? What happens now? I'm devastated.",
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"content": "Talk to your advisor. The best thing is to push and do your best to graduate in 2020 as planned. If there's a chance that you will take longer, you may have the option to transfer with your advisor to wherever they go next (it's not uncommon for faculty hires to bring senior PhD students with them). However the devil is always in the details with that sort of thing, as there are issues to work out with respect to qualifying exams, where your degree actually comes from, etc.",
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UPDATE] failing my PhD - submitted my thesis today Link to original post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAcademia/comments/8vryht/failing\_my\_phd/ I posted about a month ago, in a panic, with just 4 weeks and 11k of my crap thesis left to write. This sub gave me a lot of reassuring advice and made me feel like I could do it! I re-read all your comments whenever I started to feel hopeless and it definitely helped. Unfortunately my request for an extension was not approved by the faculty, so that was not an option, meaning the final stages were quite rushed and I'm not as happy with it as I could have been. Luckily I was able to use all my remaining holiday allowance to take 2 weeks off work and I wrote the bulk of it during that time. It was an intense 2 weeks - I was living and breathing this thesis. After that, my supervisor returned it with many edits and wanted me to restructure it so that I had fewer, but longer, chapters. This turned into another extremely miserable 10 days where I struggled to turn everything around whilst being back at work. My relationship with my supervisors just got worse and worse, we were all so miserable. I was scared to check my email because every time I had an angry email from one of them. I still thought about quitting the PhD every day and frequently thought 'how bad would it be if I just didn't submit?'. But somehow, I submitted today. I don't have a lot of confidence in my thesis. It's not as polished as I would have liked, and I'm pretty sure there are some formatting errors. The conclusion to my theoretical dissertation is very poor. Overall, it's not strictly finished - and I am only 126 words over the minimum word count threshold! I'm preparing myself for a revise & resubmit. I would be ecstatic to receive major corrections (and I'm not even going to entertain the notion of minor corrections!). Frankly, anything better than failing is more than I'm expecting. Either way, at least it's submitted and I don't have to think about it right now. Thank you for all your advice and kind words. If I managed to get to this point, anyone can! But I urge anyone who is struggling to communicate with their advisers. Please! If I could go back in time and shake my previous self until she listened to me, I would tell her that! I never told them about the personal problems I was having or the grief I was experiencing because I was scared of their reaction. But they are people, and it's in their best interests for their supervisees to pass, so they would have helped me out. Right now I'm feeling underwhelmed with a strong vein of panic running through me. I don't think my thesis is good enough, and also I don't know what to do with myself. I'm just going to work really hard at my job and only do nice things in the evenings. | 398f10d6a68a9d5a401725b8300e6263ab436a58e4b5db7d50f498160eecc108 | [
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"content": "UPDATE] failing my PhD - submitted my thesis today Link to original post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAcademia/comments/8vryht/failing\\_my\\_phd/ I posted about a month ago, in a panic, with just 4 weeks and 11k of my crap thesis left to write. This sub gave me a lot of reassuring advice and made me feel like I could do it! I re-read all your comments whenever I started to feel hopeless and it definitely helped. Unfortunately my request for an extension was not approved by the faculty, so that was not an option, meaning the final stages were quite rushed and I'm not as happy with it as I could have been. Luckily I was able to use all my remaining holiday allowance to take 2 weeks off work and I wrote the bulk of it during that time. It was an intense 2 weeks - I was living and breathing this thesis. After that, my supervisor returned it with many edits and wanted me to restructure it so that I had fewer, but longer, chapters. This turned into another extremely miserable 10 days where I struggled to turn everything around whilst being back at work. My relationship with my supervisors just got worse and worse, we were all so miserable. I was scared to check my email because every time I had an angry email from one of them. I still thought about quitting the PhD every day and frequently thought 'how bad would it be if I just didn't submit?'. But somehow, I submitted today. I don't have a lot of confidence in my thesis. It's not as polished as I would have liked, and I'm pretty sure there are some formatting errors. The conclusion to my theoretical dissertation is very poor. Overall, it's not strictly finished - and I am only 126 words over the minimum word count threshold! I'm preparing myself for a revise & resubmit. I would be ecstatic to receive major corrections (and I'm not even going to entertain the notion of minor corrections!). Frankly, anything better than failing is more than I'm expecting. Either way, at least it's submitted and I don't have to think about it right now. Thank you for all your advice and kind words. If I managed to get to this point, anyone can! But I urge anyone who is struggling to communicate with their advisers. Please! If I could go back in time and shake my previous self until she listened to me, I would tell her that! I never told them about the personal problems I was having or the grief I was experiencing because I was scared of their reaction. But they are people, and it's in their best interests for their supervisees to pass, so they would have helped me out. Right now I'm feeling underwhelmed with a strong vein of panic running through me. I don't think my thesis is good enough, and also I don't know what to do with myself. I'm just going to work really hard at my job and only do nice things in the evenings.",
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"content": "UPDATE] failing my PhD - submitted my thesis today Link to original post: [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskAcademia/comments/8vryht/failing\\_my\\_phd/ I posted about a month ago, in a panic, with just 4 weeks and 11k of my crap thesis left to write. This sub gave me a lot of reassuring advice and made me feel like I could do it! I re-read all your comments whenever I started to feel hopeless and it definitely helped. Unfortunately my request for an extension was not approved by the faculty, so that was not an option, meaning the final stages were quite rushed and I'm not as happy with it as I could have been. Luckily I was able to use all my remaining holiday allowance to take 2 weeks off work and I wrote the bulk of it during that time. It was an intense 2 weeks - I was living and breathing this thesis. After that, my supervisor returned it with many edits and wanted me to restructure it so that I had fewer, but longer, chapters. This turned into another extremely miserable 10 days where I struggled to turn everything around whilst being back at work. My relationship with my supervisors just got worse and worse, we were all so miserable. I was scared to check my email because every time I had an angry email from one of them. I still thought about quitting the PhD every day and frequently thought 'how bad would it be if I just didn't submit?'. But somehow, I submitted today. I don't have a lot of confidence in my thesis. It's not as polished as I would have liked, and I'm pretty sure there are some formatting errors. The conclusion to my theoretical dissertation is very poor. Overall, it's not strictly finished - and I am only 126 words over the minimum word count threshold! I'm preparing myself for a revise & resubmit. I would be ecstatic to receive major corrections (and I'm not even going to entertain the notion of minor corrections!). Frankly, anything better than failing is more than I'm expecting. Either way, at least it's submitted and I don't have to think about it right now. Thank you for all your advice and kind words. If I managed to get to this point, anyone can! But I urge anyone who is struggling to communicate with their advisers. Please! If I could go back in time and shake my previous self until she listened to me, I would tell her that! I never told them about the personal problems I was having or the grief I was experiencing because I was scared of their reaction. But they are people, and it's in their best interests for their supervisees to pass, so they would have helped me out. Right now I'm feeling underwhelmed with a strong vein of panic running through me. I don't think my thesis is good enough, and also I don't know what to do with myself. I'm just going to work really hard at my job and only do nice things in the evenings.",
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"content": "Congratulations on submitting, many people don't even make it that far! The UK PhD system is a joke when it comes to time limitations and you're not alone in feeling its bite. The same is true for running out of funding for the fourth year. Oh yeah sure we can just keep on being full-time students whilst having zero income because it's so easy to build savings on the generous stipends they provide! /s I just wanted to let you know that you have inspired me. I have been writing my thesis for two months now (due to submit in less than two) and it is the most miserable thing I have ever done. I have a job lined up and don't need to finish this, but the idea of not finishing the thesis is something I can't deal with. I could deal with failing it, but not completing would always hang over my head. If you have any sage words of advice on how to keep writing when it brings no joy I would love to hear them.",
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PhD advisor wants me to prepare a graduated undergrad’s thesis for publication Tl;dr: I helped an undergrad complete their thesis to graduate. PhD advisor wants me to try to get it published with the undergrad being first author. The methods used in the thesis is sloppy and I had to completely redo everything. Undergrad is unenthusiastic about publishing now that they are graduated and possibly ignoring me. Unsure how to handle situation because I’m busy with my own work and this project has no impact on my PhD progress currently. I’m a PhD student in a STEM field and I was working with an undergrad for the last year and a half on their project. The undergrad is in a different but adjacent STEM field and joined our lab to write a thesis which is required for them to graduate. My advisor assigned them a project that is similar to my work and basically uses the method I’ve been perfecting and developing for the last 3 years. I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great! | f2b4e85cb7bc42d18dcd085899dab1240ad79129c2875e4c03b94584b02e8596 | [
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "Sounds like you should be the first author, I don’t really understand the PI pushing some random graduated Master student to be the first author where the “resident” PhD is doing a big chunk of the work, makes no sense to me. Either way, the labs I know wouldn’t push the Master student to be the first author when it all fits in the project and under the guidance of a PhD student.",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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PhD advisor wants me to prepare a graduated undergrad’s thesis for publication Tl;dr: I helped an undergrad complete their thesis to graduate. PhD advisor wants me to try to get it published with the undergrad being first author. The methods used in the thesis is sloppy and I had to completely redo everything. Undergrad is unenthusiastic about publishing now that they are graduated and possibly ignoring me. Unsure how to handle situation because I’m busy with my own work and this project has no impact on my PhD progress currently. I’m a PhD student in a STEM field and I was working with an undergrad for the last year and a half on their project. The undergrad is in a different but adjacent STEM field and joined our lab to write a thesis which is required for them to graduate. My advisor assigned them a project that is similar to my work and basically uses the method I’ve been perfecting and developing for the last 3 years. I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great! | f2b4e85cb7bc42d18dcd085899dab1240ad79129c2875e4c03b94584b02e8596 | [
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "It's very unclear from this how much you've discussed this with your PI. It sounds like you've told them the student isn't responding but you haven't said anything about the quality of the work, your concerns about its accuracy or the amount of redoing you need to do. If this was me, I'd use my next 1:1 to go through all the work in detail. I'd break the paper down into all the individual tasks that need doing, assign the amount of time I think each task is going to take and give a RAG (red, amber, green) for how close each task is to completion, and possibly put in a time line. The visualisation of the number of tasks and the RAG might help convey just how much work there is to be done and how little the student has done.",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "What is the purpose of this data to be published? Your advisor have some publication plan issues? Because if nobody wants to work on the article you just should not even bother yourself. At my uni we have some money bonus for a publication in a high ranking journals, it helps to motivate myself to do the pointless job. If you have such thing just do it for money :)",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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PhD advisor wants me to prepare a graduated undergrad’s thesis for publication Tl;dr: I helped an undergrad complete their thesis to graduate. PhD advisor wants me to try to get it published with the undergrad being first author. The methods used in the thesis is sloppy and I had to completely redo everything. Undergrad is unenthusiastic about publishing now that they are graduated and possibly ignoring me. Unsure how to handle situation because I’m busy with my own work and this project has no impact on my PhD progress currently. I’m a PhD student in a STEM field and I was working with an undergrad for the last year and a half on their project. The undergrad is in a different but adjacent STEM field and joined our lab to write a thesis which is required for them to graduate. My advisor assigned them a project that is similar to my work and basically uses the method I’ve been perfecting and developing for the last 3 years. I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great! | f2b4e85cb7bc42d18dcd085899dab1240ad79129c2875e4c03b94584b02e8596 | [
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "Sounds like you should be the first author, I don’t really understand the PI pushing some random graduated Master student to be the first author where the “resident” PhD is doing a big chunk of the work, makes no sense to me. Either way, the labs I know wouldn’t push the Master student to be the first author when it all fits in the project and under the guidance of a PhD student.",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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PhD advisor wants me to prepare a graduated undergrad’s thesis for publication Tl;dr: I helped an undergrad complete their thesis to graduate. PhD advisor wants me to try to get it published with the undergrad being first author. The methods used in the thesis is sloppy and I had to completely redo everything. Undergrad is unenthusiastic about publishing now that they are graduated and possibly ignoring me. Unsure how to handle situation because I’m busy with my own work and this project has no impact on my PhD progress currently. I’m a PhD student in a STEM field and I was working with an undergrad for the last year and a half on their project. The undergrad is in a different but adjacent STEM field and joined our lab to write a thesis which is required for them to graduate. My advisor assigned them a project that is similar to my work and basically uses the method I’ve been perfecting and developing for the last 3 years. I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great! | f2b4e85cb7bc42d18dcd085899dab1240ad79129c2875e4c03b94584b02e8596 | [
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "What is the purpose of this data to be published? Your advisor have some publication plan issues? Because if nobody wants to work on the article you just should not even bother yourself. At my uni we have some money bonus for a publication in a high ranking journals, it helps to motivate myself to do the pointless job. If you have such thing just do it for money :)",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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PhD advisor wants me to prepare a graduated undergrad’s thesis for publication Tl;dr: I helped an undergrad complete their thesis to graduate. PhD advisor wants me to try to get it published with the undergrad being first author. The methods used in the thesis is sloppy and I had to completely redo everything. Undergrad is unenthusiastic about publishing now that they are graduated and possibly ignoring me. Unsure how to handle situation because I’m busy with my own work and this project has no impact on my PhD progress currently. I’m a PhD student in a STEM field and I was working with an undergrad for the last year and a half on their project. The undergrad is in a different but adjacent STEM field and joined our lab to write a thesis which is required for them to graduate. My advisor assigned them a project that is similar to my work and basically uses the method I’ve been perfecting and developing for the last 3 years. I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great! | f2b4e85cb7bc42d18dcd085899dab1240ad79129c2875e4c03b94584b02e8596 | [
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "Sounds like you should be the first author, I don’t really understand the PI pushing some random graduated Master student to be the first author where the “resident” PhD is doing a big chunk of the work, makes no sense to me. Either way, the labs I know wouldn’t push the Master student to be the first author when it all fits in the project and under the guidance of a PhD student.",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "What is the purpose of this data to be published? Your advisor have some publication plan issues? Because if nobody wants to work on the article you just should not even bother yourself. At my uni we have some money bonus for a publication in a high ranking journals, it helps to motivate myself to do the pointless job. If you have such thing just do it for money :)",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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PhD advisor wants me to prepare a graduated undergrad’s thesis for publication Tl;dr: I helped an undergrad complete their thesis to graduate. PhD advisor wants me to try to get it published with the undergrad being first author. The methods used in the thesis is sloppy and I had to completely redo everything. Undergrad is unenthusiastic about publishing now that they are graduated and possibly ignoring me. Unsure how to handle situation because I’m busy with my own work and this project has no impact on my PhD progress currently. I’m a PhD student in a STEM field and I was working with an undergrad for the last year and a half on their project. The undergrad is in a different but adjacent STEM field and joined our lab to write a thesis which is required for them to graduate. My advisor assigned them a project that is similar to my work and basically uses the method I’ve been perfecting and developing for the last 3 years. I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great! | f2b4e85cb7bc42d18dcd085899dab1240ad79129c2875e4c03b94584b02e8596 | [
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "> Undergrad is unenthusiastic about publishing now that they are graduated and possibly ignoring me. I can tell you more about this because I have been in this situation. After graduating I didn't give a care about publishing my thesis anymore, because I get a job with decent pay and the project was crappy anyway. However, my undergrad thesis advisor insists on me publish it, but I simply say I don't have time. That is just a reason because now I have other similar projects which I am very enthusiastic about and I spend all of my free time doing it. So, when the undergrad says he/she is not interested, yeah he/she is not interested. To not \"steal all the work\", you can list he/she as second author if you re-do everything. Yeah I don't mind, and probably so does he/she.",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "What is the purpose of this data to be published? Your advisor have some publication plan issues? Because if nobody wants to work on the article you just should not even bother yourself. At my uni we have some money bonus for a publication in a high ranking journals, it helps to motivate myself to do the pointless job. If you have such thing just do it for money :)",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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PhD advisor wants me to prepare a graduated undergrad’s thesis for publication Tl;dr: I helped an undergrad complete their thesis to graduate. PhD advisor wants me to try to get it published with the undergrad being first author. The methods used in the thesis is sloppy and I had to completely redo everything. Undergrad is unenthusiastic about publishing now that they are graduated and possibly ignoring me. Unsure how to handle situation because I’m busy with my own work and this project has no impact on my PhD progress currently. I’m a PhD student in a STEM field and I was working with an undergrad for the last year and a half on their project. The undergrad is in a different but adjacent STEM field and joined our lab to write a thesis which is required for them to graduate. My advisor assigned them a project that is similar to my work and basically uses the method I’ve been perfecting and developing for the last 3 years. I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great! | f2b4e85cb7bc42d18dcd085899dab1240ad79129c2875e4c03b94584b02e8596 | [
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "> Undergrad is unenthusiastic about publishing now that they are graduated and possibly ignoring me. I can tell you more about this because I have been in this situation. After graduating I didn't give a care about publishing my thesis anymore, because I get a job with decent pay and the project was crappy anyway. However, my undergrad thesis advisor insists on me publish it, but I simply say I don't have time. That is just a reason because now I have other similar projects which I am very enthusiastic about and I spend all of my free time doing it. So, when the undergrad says he/she is not interested, yeah he/she is not interested. To not \"steal all the work\", you can list he/she as second author if you re-do everything. Yeah I don't mind, and probably so does he/she.",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "Different life, but if this were industry this could be construed as a development exercise. I would approach the likely conversation with the advisor with an open mind at least. Even to me with basically no academia experience to date this seems pointless if the undergrad DGAF; however, it seems like a reasonable progression exercise if trying to build a future PI or am I way off base with how development happens on everything not directly related to the science / experiment (in this case STEM)?",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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PhD advisor wants me to prepare a graduated undergrad’s thesis for publication Tl;dr: I helped an undergrad complete their thesis to graduate. PhD advisor wants me to try to get it published with the undergrad being first author. The methods used in the thesis is sloppy and I had to completely redo everything. Undergrad is unenthusiastic about publishing now that they are graduated and possibly ignoring me. Unsure how to handle situation because I’m busy with my own work and this project has no impact on my PhD progress currently. I’m a PhD student in a STEM field and I was working with an undergrad for the last year and a half on their project. The undergrad is in a different but adjacent STEM field and joined our lab to write a thesis which is required for them to graduate. My advisor assigned them a project that is similar to my work and basically uses the method I’ve been perfecting and developing for the last 3 years. I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great! | f2b4e85cb7bc42d18dcd085899dab1240ad79129c2875e4c03b94584b02e8596 | [
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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PhD advisor wants me to prepare a graduated undergrad’s thesis for publication Tl;dr: I helped an undergrad complete their thesis to graduate. PhD advisor wants me to try to get it published with the undergrad being first author. The methods used in the thesis is sloppy and I had to completely redo everything. Undergrad is unenthusiastic about publishing now that they are graduated and possibly ignoring me. Unsure how to handle situation because I’m busy with my own work and this project has no impact on my PhD progress currently. I’m a PhD student in a STEM field and I was working with an undergrad for the last year and a half on their project. The undergrad is in a different but adjacent STEM field and joined our lab to write a thesis which is required for them to graduate. My advisor assigned them a project that is similar to my work and basically uses the method I’ve been perfecting and developing for the last 3 years. I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great! | f2b4e85cb7bc42d18dcd085899dab1240ad79129c2875e4c03b94584b02e8596 | [
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "I think just make a list to show evidence of what you have changed and the level of effort put in and ask to be first author. Undergraduate can just be a co author. I bet the PI doesn’t realise how much work you’ve done and would be perfectly happy for you to be lead. I don’t understand Reddit (and Twitter)’s insistence that all PIs are evil and always are out to get students. Yes there are bad eggs out there but must are good people. Just communicate. Nearly every issue can be solved just by speaking to them.",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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PhD advisor wants me to prepare a graduated undergrad’s thesis for publication Tl;dr: I helped an undergrad complete their thesis to graduate. PhD advisor wants me to try to get it published with the undergrad being first author. The methods used in the thesis is sloppy and I had to completely redo everything. Undergrad is unenthusiastic about publishing now that they are graduated and possibly ignoring me. Unsure how to handle situation because I’m busy with my own work and this project has no impact on my PhD progress currently. I’m a PhD student in a STEM field and I was working with an undergrad for the last year and a half on their project. The undergrad is in a different but adjacent STEM field and joined our lab to write a thesis which is required for them to graduate. My advisor assigned them a project that is similar to my work and basically uses the method I’ve been perfecting and developing for the last 3 years. I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great! | f2b4e85cb7bc42d18dcd085899dab1240ad79129c2875e4c03b94584b02e8596 | [
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "I think just make a list to show evidence of what you have changed and the level of effort put in and ask to be first author. Undergraduate can just be a co author. I bet the PI doesn’t realise how much work you’ve done and would be perfectly happy for you to be lead. I don’t understand Reddit (and Twitter)’s insistence that all PIs are evil and always are out to get students. Yes there are bad eggs out there but must are good people. Just communicate. Nearly every issue can be solved just by speaking to them.",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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"content": "I was in a similar situation (undergrad with grad student mentor, worked on my thesis which eventually turned into a publication attempt with me as first author). I did the bulk of the coding, the high-level project scoping, the data collection + analysis and paper writing. I knew that the paper won't go towards my mentor's dissertation, so I tried to take over as much of the work as possible. In your case, I think it's totally fair to ask for first authorship if you're doing the majority of the prep towards publication!!",
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I gave them some of the data I collected to work with so they can analyze it using my method which is mostly computer work using my code. The project is not contributing to my dissertation progress and I was pretty much just mentoring them for their thesis. Since they started when things were mostly online, I made video tutorials and wrote up detailed instructions for them to follow. The entire time, the undergrad did not show much enthusiasm towards the project but I thought it was just their personality. When things came back in person, they never attended group meetings (excuse was they scheduled other things during our group meeting times) and in general never showed up. However, they did perform the calculations over time and texted me when they needed help. I would pretty much help rewrite parts of the code for their specific use and clarify parts of the code. About 2 weeks before they graduated, they came to me saying they needed me to help rewrite the method section of their thesis and add some more analysis portions. I was very busy with my own stuff at the time so I referred them to my methodology write ups and previous papers using similar methods because I didn’t think I should do their work for them but I knew there was no way they would be able to get everything together in the last 2 weeks. In that same meeting, they mentioned that my advisor wanted to get this published but they did not trust their numbers. When I asked if they wanted to publish they said they don’t care too much because they already got into grad school (for a different field). They eventually submitted the thesis and graduated. My advisor now has tasked me with getting the thesis to publication quality and said the undergrad was willing to work on it (undergrad would be first author). I took a look at the thesis and the entire analysis needed to be redone because the written portion of the methods was completely wrong and based off of previous papers, which makes me not trust the results. Pretty much the only thing from the thesis that might be taken is parts of the intro and background portions with heavy edits. I had an online meeting with the undergrad and they admitting that they quickly wrote up the thesis in the last few weeks and just submitted it at 3 am to be done with it. They still seemed unenthusiastic but said they can work on it. I gave a list of things I would do such as recalculating all the numbers with my method, making figures, and writing the methods and parts of analysis section. I asked them to read over my comments, write up a conclusion and review formatting for publication. It’s been 3 weeks since and I haven’t heard back. They’ve ignored every email since with my updates. I told my advisor this and he said something like it’s our job to “clean up the plate”. I have spent 2 weeks recalculating the results and analysis but now I’m very hesitant to proceed with writing. I have my own PhD projects to work on and tusks now taking up a lot of my time considering it would not contribute to my PhD progress and I would not be first author. I also feel it is not right for the undergrad to be first author their end contribution at this point but I’m not quite sure. My advisor seems to want to just push it out as a paper and I do think it’s worth publishing the results if everything is done right. However there’s just not a huge incentive for me personally unless it’s incorporated into my progress in some way. I was thinking about asking the undergrad if they really intend to do any more work and if not, I can take over and they can be second author which I think is fair. In this case I feel a little bad because it feels like I’m just “stealing” their paper but realistically I feel like I’ve been doing essentially all the work. I’m also thinking about asking my advisor if this could be incorporated as part of a chapter of my dissertation (and I drop part of another part) just to take the load off of my plate. It’s kind of an awkward situation for me right now and I’m not sure if I’m just overthinking this so any insight would be great!",
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Professor wont let me see my own final- grade discrepency My final exam got messed up and instead of getting my accommodation of "time and a half" on a 3 hour exam i got "half time" on a 866 point final with 14 problems, I got stopped at 1 hour and 30 minutes. I notified the Prof who told me to just log back in and finish the text. It began an "attempt 2" where he said to just do the ones I missed the first time around. My first score for 9/14 was around 530 points give or take. The grade he presented with was the 53(4?) plus what he implied was an obvious 54 points from my second attempt. That seems bonkers low and I really want to see the graded exam so I know how and where I messed up. what reason would he have for refusing to let me see? after all, he is the one who fucked up my disability accommodations. Does the grading confuse anyone else? | 4a22d8e55df2918c13c9bd21d0dc1d5ae2a35e819131732ae583b983e24fbf88 | [
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"content": "Contact the disability services office—whoever you worked with to get the accommodation—and ask them for help on this. Don’t wait until next semester because your school might have a narrow window to resolve issues like this. Mine does. This is the weirdest sounding final. 14 questions worth 866 points. If there are students who have yet to take this exam, I can understand why the prof won’t let you see it yet. It’s not unusual to make a graded exam available after finals are finished. You should still follow up with disability services, though, because your accommodation wasn’t granted.",
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Professor wont let me see my own final- grade discrepency My final exam got messed up and instead of getting my accommodation of "time and a half" on a 3 hour exam i got "half time" on a 866 point final with 14 problems, I got stopped at 1 hour and 30 minutes. I notified the Prof who told me to just log back in and finish the text. It began an "attempt 2" where he said to just do the ones I missed the first time around. My first score for 9/14 was around 530 points give or take. The grade he presented with was the 53(4?) plus what he implied was an obvious 54 points from my second attempt. That seems bonkers low and I really want to see the graded exam so I know how and where I messed up. what reason would he have for refusing to let me see? after all, he is the one who fucked up my disability accommodations. Does the grading confuse anyone else? | 4a22d8e55df2918c13c9bd21d0dc1d5ae2a35e819131732ae583b983e24fbf88 | [
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"content": "Professor wont let me see my own final- grade discrepency My final exam got messed up and instead of getting my accommodation of \"time and a half\" on a 3 hour exam i got \"half time\" on a 866 point final with 14 problems, I got stopped at 1 hour and 30 minutes. I notified the Prof who told me to just log back in and finish the text. It began an \"attempt 2\" where he said to just do the ones I missed the first time around. My first score for 9/14 was around 530 points give or take. The grade he presented with was the 53(4?) plus what he implied was an obvious 54 points from my second attempt. That seems bonkers low and I really want to see the graded exam so I know how and where I messed up. what reason would he have for refusing to let me see? after all, he is the one who fucked up my disability accommodations. Does the grading confuse anyone else?",
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"content": "I don't really have a comment on your main question but grading system is not necessarily bad. People for some reason expect 100 points on every exam. It is just harder to grade when the numbers of points for each question are small; not enough room for fine partial grading. Of course, I can just as easily use non-integers etc, when I had more energy for grading, I used to do that (I remember using pi, e etc. in my grading, lol) but not anymore. Another alternative is to make the total points in an exam equal to its weight in the course, so if the exam is worth 25 percent of the total grade, it would have 25 points. This is obviously harder for the grader for the reasons above but students understand the scale of things better in this way I think. In fact, another reason to have hundreds of points is that students complain less. Like if a student gets 40 out of 100, they will complain. If they get 100 out of 250, they won't, even tho they are the exact same grade. (I just finished grading 100+ finals so apparently that's all I can talk about for the next few days.)",
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"content": "Professor wont let me see my own final- grade discrepency My final exam got messed up and instead of getting my accommodation of \"time and a half\" on a 3 hour exam i got \"half time\" on a 866 point final with 14 problems, I got stopped at 1 hour and 30 minutes. I notified the Prof who told me to just log back in and finish the text. It began an \"attempt 2\" where he said to just do the ones I missed the first time around. My first score for 9/14 was around 530 points give or take. The grade he presented with was the 53(4?) plus what he implied was an obvious 54 points from my second attempt. That seems bonkers low and I really want to see the graded exam so I know how and where I messed up. what reason would he have for refusing to let me see? after all, he is the one who fucked up my disability accommodations. Does the grading confuse anyone else?",
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"content": "Professor wont let me see my own final- grade discrepency My final exam got messed up and instead of getting my accommodation of \"time and a half\" on a 3 hour exam i got \"half time\" on a 866 point final with 14 problems, I got stopped at 1 hour and 30 minutes. I notified the Prof who told me to just log back in and finish the text. It began an \"attempt 2\" where he said to just do the ones I missed the first time around. My first score for 9/14 was around 530 points give or take. The grade he presented with was the 53(4?) plus what he implied was an obvious 54 points from my second attempt. That seems bonkers low and I really want to see the graded exam so I know how and where I messed up. what reason would he have for refusing to let me see? after all, he is the one who fucked up my disability accommodations. Does the grading confuse anyone else?",
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"content": "I don't really have a comment on your main question but grading system is not necessarily bad. People for some reason expect 100 points on every exam. It is just harder to grade when the numbers of points for each question are small; not enough room for fine partial grading. Of course, I can just as easily use non-integers etc, when I had more energy for grading, I used to do that (I remember using pi, e etc. in my grading, lol) but not anymore. Another alternative is to make the total points in an exam equal to its weight in the course, so if the exam is worth 25 percent of the total grade, it would have 25 points. This is obviously harder for the grader for the reasons above but students understand the scale of things better in this way I think. In fact, another reason to have hundreds of points is that students complain less. Like if a student gets 40 out of 100, they will complain. If they get 100 out of 250, they won't, even tho they are the exact same grade. (I just finished grading 100+ finals so apparently that's all I can talk about for the next few days.)",
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Professor wont let me see my own final- grade discrepency My final exam got messed up and instead of getting my accommodation of "time and a half" on a 3 hour exam i got "half time" on a 866 point final with 14 problems, I got stopped at 1 hour and 30 minutes. I notified the Prof who told me to just log back in and finish the text. It began an "attempt 2" where he said to just do the ones I missed the first time around. My first score for 9/14 was around 530 points give or take. The grade he presented with was the 53(4?) plus what he implied was an obvious 54 points from my second attempt. That seems bonkers low and I really want to see the graded exam so I know how and where I messed up. what reason would he have for refusing to let me see? after all, he is the one who fucked up my disability accommodations. Does the grading confuse anyone else? | 4a22d8e55df2918c13c9bd21d0dc1d5ae2a35e819131732ae583b983e24fbf88 | [
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"content": "What do you mean by \"wont let me see my own final\"....?? It sounds like there WAS no final. You need to be in FULL communication with your professor. (you're leaving a lot out, here...) Other people who say \"talk to the accommodations person\" or talk to the omsbudsman\" are missing the crucial first step. Tackle this with the professor FIRST. From a professor's standpoint, there are two issues: 1) Who screwed up? One of two things happened: either you screwed up (by signing in wrong, following incorrect instructions, etc.) or she/he/they screwed up (set the exam-time incorrectly... VERY easy to do on Canvas or Blackboard or whatever system you used.) Don't assume it was the professor. It might have been you. Your job is to write a full, careful account of what happened. Note: a \"yo, prof, the exam done messed up, that's not fair!\" doesn't cut it here. You need a full detailed explanation about how you logged in, what you did, what you expected, what it cost you (in terms of time, focus, and concentration), and then ask for suggestions on what, if anything, might be done. 2) What to do about it? Clearly, your whole exam is messed up. (multiple attempts, etc.) Most professors would get exhausted just thinking about this problem... and he/she/they have 400 other students to get final grades into the system for. You are going to be LAST priority over those 400 other students, because you present a problem. Give the professor time, but be in full communication... ask them to fill you in on what can be done once they have the time.",
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"content": "I don't really have a comment on your main question but grading system is not necessarily bad. People for some reason expect 100 points on every exam. It is just harder to grade when the numbers of points for each question are small; not enough room for fine partial grading. Of course, I can just as easily use non-integers etc, when I had more energy for grading, I used to do that (I remember using pi, e etc. in my grading, lol) but not anymore. Another alternative is to make the total points in an exam equal to its weight in the course, so if the exam is worth 25 percent of the total grade, it would have 25 points. This is obviously harder for the grader for the reasons above but students understand the scale of things better in this way I think. In fact, another reason to have hundreds of points is that students complain less. Like if a student gets 40 out of 100, they will complain. If they get 100 out of 250, they won't, even tho they are the exact same grade. (I just finished grading 100+ finals so apparently that's all I can talk about for the next few days.)",
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Professor wont let me see my own final- grade discrepency My final exam got messed up and instead of getting my accommodation of "time and a half" on a 3 hour exam i got "half time" on a 866 point final with 14 problems, I got stopped at 1 hour and 30 minutes. I notified the Prof who told me to just log back in and finish the text. It began an "attempt 2" where he said to just do the ones I missed the first time around. My first score for 9/14 was around 530 points give or take. The grade he presented with was the 53(4?) plus what he implied was an obvious 54 points from my second attempt. That seems bonkers low and I really want to see the graded exam so I know how and where I messed up. what reason would he have for refusing to let me see? after all, he is the one who fucked up my disability accommodations. Does the grading confuse anyone else? | 4a22d8e55df2918c13c9bd21d0dc1d5ae2a35e819131732ae583b983e24fbf88 | [
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"content": "Professor wont let me see my own final- grade discrepency My final exam got messed up and instead of getting my accommodation of \"time and a half\" on a 3 hour exam i got \"half time\" on a 866 point final with 14 problems, I got stopped at 1 hour and 30 minutes. I notified the Prof who told me to just log back in and finish the text. It began an \"attempt 2\" where he said to just do the ones I missed the first time around. My first score for 9/14 was around 530 points give or take. The grade he presented with was the 53(4?) plus what he implied was an obvious 54 points from my second attempt. That seems bonkers low and I really want to see the graded exam so I know how and where I messed up. what reason would he have for refusing to let me see? after all, he is the one who fucked up my disability accommodations. Does the grading confuse anyone else?",
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"content": "Did he say you cant see the exam, or has he just not gotten back to your email yet? A lot of professors don't let people look at online exams with the answers because too many students cheat. This is pretty normal. But it's a bit odd that you got a perfect score on the first part and then completely failed the second part (if I am understanding you correctly). Maybe he can just tell you what questions were wrong without showing you the exam?",
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"content": "Professor wont let me see my own final- grade discrepency My final exam got messed up and instead of getting my accommodation of \"time and a half\" on a 3 hour exam i got \"half time\" on a 866 point final with 14 problems, I got stopped at 1 hour and 30 minutes. I notified the Prof who told me to just log back in and finish the text. It began an \"attempt 2\" where he said to just do the ones I missed the first time around. My first score for 9/14 was around 530 points give or take. The grade he presented with was the 53(4?) plus what he implied was an obvious 54 points from my second attempt. That seems bonkers low and I really want to see the graded exam so I know how and where I messed up. what reason would he have for refusing to let me see? after all, he is the one who fucked up my disability accommodations. Does the grading confuse anyone else?",
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"content": "Did he say you cant see the exam, or has he just not gotten back to your email yet? A lot of professors don't let people look at online exams with the answers because too many students cheat. This is pretty normal. But it's a bit odd that you got a perfect score on the first part and then completely failed the second part (if I am understanding you correctly). Maybe he can just tell you what questions were wrong without showing you the exam?",
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Professor wont let me see my own final- grade discrepency My final exam got messed up and instead of getting my accommodation of "time and a half" on a 3 hour exam i got "half time" on a 866 point final with 14 problems, I got stopped at 1 hour and 30 minutes. I notified the Prof who told me to just log back in and finish the text. It began an "attempt 2" where he said to just do the ones I missed the first time around. My first score for 9/14 was around 530 points give or take. The grade he presented with was the 53(4?) plus what he implied was an obvious 54 points from my second attempt. That seems bonkers low and I really want to see the graded exam so I know how and where I messed up. what reason would he have for refusing to let me see? after all, he is the one who fucked up my disability accommodations. Does the grading confuse anyone else? | 4a22d8e55df2918c13c9bd21d0dc1d5ae2a35e819131732ae583b983e24fbf88 | [
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"content": "Professors don't let the exam out because students post the exam to cheating sites. There is usually some mechanism for you to view the exam - used to be during office hours, now I do it via zoom, but warn the the student that if the exam gets out, it is clear that I know the source. Ask your prof to see what you got and why. Also, tone it down on the attitude. There are many reasons for an LMS or an online exam to get kicked - like a temporary internet disruption. (Online exams have actually been really enlightening about how often this happens in a documented way for enough time for someone to get kicked off). You should have the right to see your grades and feedback for your assignments. Having the attitude that the professor fucked up is probably not going to benefit you. The grading is going to be intrisinically weird because there was a problem and this is going to have to input in a different way, or manually calculated. As to people's comments about points - like an 866 point final. I started doing this also because my student do not understand weighted means. When I make everything out of 100 points, they also literally said things like \" I didn't do the HW because they were only worth 0.5 points each\". \" Or if the HW is worth 1 point in total, how can each question be worth 0.1 points? Or I am only 3 points away from a pass - no, you are 3% away from a pass. So now I make the class out of 5000 points or something like that. And by allocating absolute point values you get weighing . Sad but true",
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"content": "The biggest issue here for me is that you are fully entitled to 4.5 hours to take the test and only received 3. This is a significant mistake and you should not only be able to see the final exam but request a second full attempt (or at least another 1.5 hours to work on it). Definitely echo the advice to contact various people: first the professor of course. But also the ombudsperson, your dorm head, the academic dean, any disability officer you know of, etc. I would be careful not to throw this on the professor as an intentional mistake. The school will most likely side with the prof. But if you just explain that the requirements were not met and ask how to proceed, hopefully the school will respond quickly and fairly. \\[I'm a PhD Candidate teaching in a history department and I work with AEO (Accessible Education) students\\]",
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Professor wont let me see my own final- grade discrepency My final exam got messed up and instead of getting my accommodation of "time and a half" on a 3 hour exam i got "half time" on a 866 point final with 14 problems, I got stopped at 1 hour and 30 minutes. I notified the Prof who told me to just log back in and finish the text. It began an "attempt 2" where he said to just do the ones I missed the first time around. My first score for 9/14 was around 530 points give or take. The grade he presented with was the 53(4?) plus what he implied was an obvious 54 points from my second attempt. That seems bonkers low and I really want to see the graded exam so I know how and where I messed up. what reason would he have for refusing to let me see? after all, he is the one who fucked up my disability accommodations. Does the grading confuse anyone else? | 4a22d8e55df2918c13c9bd21d0dc1d5ae2a35e819131732ae583b983e24fbf88 | [
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"content": "Professor wont let me see my own final- grade discrepency My final exam got messed up and instead of getting my accommodation of \"time and a half\" on a 3 hour exam i got \"half time\" on a 866 point final with 14 problems, I got stopped at 1 hour and 30 minutes. I notified the Prof who told me to just log back in and finish the text. It began an \"attempt 2\" where he said to just do the ones I missed the first time around. My first score for 9/14 was around 530 points give or take. The grade he presented with was the 53(4?) plus what he implied was an obvious 54 points from my second attempt. That seems bonkers low and I really want to see the graded exam so I know how and where I messed up. what reason would he have for refusing to let me see? after all, he is the one who fucked up my disability accommodations. Does the grading confuse anyone else?",
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"content": "BTW, first you contact the professor again and ask to have him explain the grades and what you got wrong and right. The disability office can deal with the messed up time limit, but NOT the policy of not returning exams (unless it is specified that you are allowed to have exams returned when nobody else in the class is). After you contact the professor, and leave appropriate amount of time, contact the chair of the department, explaining that you already contacted the professor. Keep to the facts",
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Professor wont let me see my own final- grade discrepency My final exam got messed up and instead of getting my accommodation of "time and a half" on a 3 hour exam i got "half time" on a 866 point final with 14 problems, I got stopped at 1 hour and 30 minutes. I notified the Prof who told me to just log back in and finish the text. It began an "attempt 2" where he said to just do the ones I missed the first time around. My first score for 9/14 was around 530 points give or take. The grade he presented with was the 53(4?) plus what he implied was an obvious 54 points from my second attempt. That seems bonkers low and I really want to see the graded exam so I know how and where I messed up. what reason would he have for refusing to let me see? after all, he is the one who fucked up my disability accommodations. Does the grading confuse anyone else? | 4a22d8e55df2918c13c9bd21d0dc1d5ae2a35e819131732ae583b983e24fbf88 | [
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"content": "The appropriate order of contact is: 1. the professor, 2. the chairperson of the department, 3. the dean of the school, 4. the VPAA, each contacted if you don't get an appropriate answer from the previous person. I would contact the disability services person with a copy of the email to the chair so that they're in the loop. If you don't get an appropriate answer from the chair, then I'd contact the disability services person separately. They will have their own processes to follow. And, surely you know not to use \"fucked up\" in any of your professional communications and, quite frankly, don't blame the professor for messing up your disability accommodations since EVERYBODY knows already that he is the one who set the time parameters and didn't do it correctly. Only if it gets to the level of the VPAA would I point that out. One thing you could do is consider to what extent a mistake with the fix of your accommodation being to just start again with the questions that you hadn't done might have messed you up. You say it did in answer to somebody's post. If you really think it did mess you up you could argue for a whole new final exam, particularly if your accommodation involves anxiety. That would certainly not make the professor happy and I wouldn't suggest saying that unless/until you get to the chair level. I was a chair and if one of my faculty had done this I would have sat with him/her and asked what could we do to make it completely fair for the messed-up student given the accommodations. There are several possibilities and one is a complete redo. By the way, the numbers are fine. Faculty do that for a variety of reasons, including making their grading non-obvious to students or a belief that a given problem is worth 50 points while another is worth 54 points, and so on. I think that belief is likely magical thinking, but faculty are free to do so if they'd like. The numbers available on the exam are not likely to be a topic of conversation between the faculty member and higher-ups if this goes up.",
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"content": "I read this article in undergrad, and it opened my eyes to a career path I didn't know was an option. I'm now in an epidemiology PhD program studying access to contraceptive care. I don't know that it will be as impactful to others, but it certainly changed my life: The Contraceptive CHOICE Project: Reducing Barriers to Long-Acting Reversible Contraception",
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"content": "George Miller's Magical Number Seven. Not biology, but one of the first applications of information theory to humans. And this first paragraph: > My problem is that I have been persecuted by an integer. For seven years this number has followed me around, has intruded in my most private data, and has assaulted me from the pages of our most public journals. This number assumes a variety of disguises, being sometimes a little larger and sometimes a little smaller than usual, but never changing so much as to be unrecognizable. The persistence with which this number plagues me is far more than a random accident. There is, to quote a famous senator, a design behind it, some pattern governing its appearances. Either there really is something unusual about the number or else I am suffering from delusions of persecution.",
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"content": "Keeping up with the Red Queen: the pace of aging as an adaptation The fundamental nature of aging remains a mystery to biologists, including whether it's a programmed process serving as an evolutionary adaptation or simply a byproduct of wear and tear. This review makes a general overview of arguments for and against both sides, and an attempt to synthesise the information in search of a middle ground. If anyone knows similar articles, feel free to send them to me!",
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"content": "Negotiating citizenship:a young child’s collaborative meaning making constructions of beavers as a symbol of Canada https://1library.net/document/z1degndz-negotiating-citizenship-collaborative-meaning-making-constructions-beavers-canada.html",
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"content": "Keeping up with the Red Queen: the pace of aging as an adaptation The fundamental nature of aging remains a mystery to biologists, including whether it's a programmed process serving as an evolutionary adaptation or simply a byproduct of wear and tear. This review makes a general overview of arguments for and against both sides, and an attempt to synthesise the information in search of a middle ground. If anyone knows similar articles, feel free to send them to me!",
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"content": "not a paper, but a talk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AysOj1ewaYI",
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"content": "Don't forget to give social sciences some love: On Being Sane in Insane Places, D.L. Rosenhan",
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"content": "The dog evolution paper - one of the referenced papers in this review: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/348/6232/277",
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"content": "Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System",
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"content": "Negotiating citizenship:a young child’s collaborative meaning making constructions of beavers as a symbol of Canada https://1library.net/document/z1degndz-negotiating-citizenship-collaborative-meaning-making-constructions-beavers-canada.html",
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"content": "It’s not my field but I always loved Fuck Nuance by Kieran Healy https://kieranhealy.org/files/papers/fuck-nuance.pdf.",
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