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Professors of Reddit- Do you dislike students who perform poorly? To the Professors of Reddit, I was wondering what the general opinion was of poor performers. Is it dislike? Indifference? If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? | 135f21262662cd5e480c0916ee24f26497ea02895dd928a322a4f3cc92e4047b | [
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"content": "Nah, not dislike. Sometimes poor performers are my favorite students, and in fact I have seen people who struggled (I mean, *really* struggled, as in \"tried very hard to keep up and turn in good work\") go on to do great things once they got adequate support and hit their stride. If you came to me midway through the term and said \"I am failing this course and I want to figure out how I can do better\", and you genuinely meant that, and not \"give me points I didn't earn\", I would do everything in my power to help you to find ways to succeed. The people who refuse to do the work or put in the effort, I also don't dislike. I just kind of wonder why they're blowing so incredibly much money on something they are obviously not at all into. The people I do dislike are the ones who try to bully me into giving them points they didn't earn. I have only had a handful of those, but they were truly terrible people I hope I never encounter again in my professional life. I once had a student who refused to do assignments, take assessments, come to class, OR communicate by email drag me into a meeting with advising where they argued, shouted, and cried for an hour and a half in an attempt to wear me down and let them pass the course by accepting an art project they were working on for a different class as their final. My class was a community health class.",
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"content": "depends on why they are failing. life got you good? that's different than, say, a student who does not care at all and then asks for extra credit opportunities at the end of the semester. that irritates me to no end.",
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"content": "Nah, not dislike. Sometimes poor performers are my favorite students, and in fact I have seen people who struggled (I mean, *really* struggled, as in \"tried very hard to keep up and turn in good work\") go on to do great things once they got adequate support and hit their stride. If you came to me midway through the term and said \"I am failing this course and I want to figure out how I can do better\", and you genuinely meant that, and not \"give me points I didn't earn\", I would do everything in my power to help you to find ways to succeed. The people who refuse to do the work or put in the effort, I also don't dislike. I just kind of wonder why they're blowing so incredibly much money on something they are obviously not at all into. The people I do dislike are the ones who try to bully me into giving them points they didn't earn. I have only had a handful of those, but they were truly terrible people I hope I never encounter again in my professional life. I once had a student who refused to do assignments, take assessments, come to class, OR communicate by email drag me into a meeting with advising where they argued, shouted, and cried for an hour and a half in an attempt to wear me down and let them pass the course by accepting an art project they were working on for a different class as their final. My class was a community health class.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "No, that would become seriously exhausting. I recognize that the course I am teaching may not be \"your thing.\" What does make me dislike students are: not showing up for repeated scheduled appointments without notice, asking me to change their grade to something they haven't earned (especially when they have missed several assignments and class meetings), students who are repeatedly rude in class (like to other students during discussions,) and tbh, students I catch cheating.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "No, I don't dislike them. Usually they are disorganized, unprepared, overwhelmed and their own worse enemies. In short, they are young. I have had many students failing badly for really dumb reasons who come to office hours - I am not here to judge them, just to help. Sometimes there is little I can do practically for this class for this semester, but there are always students who take my sage advice and do better later. It is only continuing your poor judgement over a long time that hurts you. A bad first semester or 2 is something that you can totally recover from if you learn from your mistakes. Most people don't learn from their mistakes, don't listen to what I say, and don't get better TBH. But I am still not here to judge, and I personally feel like learning ANYTHING is better than nothing, so I do my best and I don't dislike them either - I feel sorry for them actually. I don't like being lied to, manipulated and this rarely works - like do you seriously think you thought up someway to game the system I haven't heard in 20 years? But I have had my own kids and I know that is how it works, and I don't take it personally. I truly dislike cheaters. This makes everything so much worse for everyone else, mostly your classmates.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "Nope. Some of them are nice and fun to have in class; they just need to get their shit together. I offer to help as much as I can, but sometimes people are okay with grades that I wouldn't be okay with myself and that's fine. Other people might not be ready for college, and that's a shame, but it's their journey. If you keep your head down, get bad grades, and never talk to me though, I probably don't think about you much between papers. That's the truth. I care for all of my students, but there's a certain amount of getting out what you put in.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "No. Students who do try, but still do poorly, make me sad. Students who don't try make me exasperated. The ones I dislike are the students who don't try, and then expect me to do extra work as a result.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "I always tell my students - these classes are for you, not me. I already know what’s in them. This is the part of my job where I just say things I already know instead of try to figure out things I don’t. I’m here because I know about this topic and you have access to me and my expertise for a semester. That’s LITERALLY what you’re paying for. If you don’t want to learn, they don’t pay me less. It’s a colossal waste of your resources (money x time) if you do poorly, but I really don’t care. I *WANT* everyone to do well, but it’s not my job or interest to police you. You are paying. I say the smart stuff and if you want to learn, great! If not - no big deal at all. That said, if people are legit struggling in my classes I really respect the ones that come in if they ASK ME HOW THEY CAN LEARN THE MATERIAL. If they ask me how they can improve their grade, I say “learn the material.” But if all you care about is your grade you are optimizing for something that is a bizarre byproduct of our unfortunate need for expediency in evaluation. So I couldn’t care less about your grades. Good or bad. They’re yours and I’d do away with them in a minute if I could. Conversely, I have talked for hours at a time with students who are trying to understand. I’m happy to. It doesn’t matter what grade they currently have. I love what I do and I happily let that love reverberate between me my students if they care to take interest. No matter what grade they have, their attendance or anything else.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "depends on why they are failing. life got you good? that's different than, say, a student who does not care at all and then asks for extra credit opportunities at the end of the semester. that irritates me to no end.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "It depends what you are coming to my office for. If you want to understand the material and position yourself to perform better in the future, I'm thrilled to see you and will go above and beyond to connect you with every campus resource that might be there to help you turn things around. I'm here to evaluate your work, not your worth as a person. If you want to ask me for so much flexibility that the only way to accommodate you is to build a time machine and personally wake you up for classes and due dates for the past month and a half, I'm not going to see the meeting as a valuable use of your time or mine.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": "for physics, the vast amount of poor performers are poor because of a complete lack of effort. So, I guess it is more indifference. If you don't care, why should I. If someone is making a sincere effort we usually love those students and will bend over backwards to try to help them understand better, and to explain things in a way that they can get. And it usually works. If you put in the effort and ask questions, you will do well in our class.",
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"content": "25+ year veteran professor and department chair here. The *only* students I actually dislike are cheaters: those who plagiarize or otherwise try to get by without actually honestly doing the work they are asked to do. Luckily that's very few students in my department, and most of the plagiarists are contrite and apologetic when caught. Students who are struggling *but who are trying* are among my favorites, because I can usually help them improve and reach their goals. Anyone who is willing to try and to work hard will be high on my list of students who I'm happy to help. If a student comes asking for help at any point I'm happy to do what I can, and I'll certainly think better of them than any student who is doing poorly and doesn't seem to care. But dislike? I only dislike cheaters and people who are disrespectful or mean to others. I don't tolerate either in my classes.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": "No, that would become seriously exhausting. I recognize that the course I am teaching may not be \"your thing.\" What does make me dislike students are: not showing up for repeated scheduled appointments without notice, asking me to change their grade to something they haven't earned (especially when they have missed several assignments and class meetings), students who are repeatedly rude in class (like to other students during discussions,) and tbh, students I catch cheating.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": "No, I don't dislike them. Usually they are disorganized, unprepared, overwhelmed and their own worse enemies. In short, they are young. I have had many students failing badly for really dumb reasons who come to office hours - I am not here to judge them, just to help. Sometimes there is little I can do practically for this class for this semester, but there are always students who take my sage advice and do better later. It is only continuing your poor judgement over a long time that hurts you. A bad first semester or 2 is something that you can totally recover from if you learn from your mistakes. Most people don't learn from their mistakes, don't listen to what I say, and don't get better TBH. But I am still not here to judge, and I personally feel like learning ANYTHING is better than nothing, so I do my best and I don't dislike them either - I feel sorry for them actually. I don't like being lied to, manipulated and this rarely works - like do you seriously think you thought up someway to game the system I haven't heard in 20 years? But I have had my own kids and I know that is how it works, and I don't take it personally. I truly dislike cheaters. This makes everything so much worse for everyone else, mostly your classmates.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": "Nope. Some of them are nice and fun to have in class; they just need to get their shit together. I offer to help as much as I can, but sometimes people are okay with grades that I wouldn't be okay with myself and that's fine. Other people might not be ready for college, and that's a shame, but it's their journey. If you keep your head down, get bad grades, and never talk to me though, I probably don't think about you much between papers. That's the truth. I care for all of my students, but there's a certain amount of getting out what you put in.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": "No. Students who do try, but still do poorly, make me sad. Students who don't try make me exasperated. The ones I dislike are the students who don't try, and then expect me to do extra work as a result.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": "depends on why they are failing. life got you good? that's different than, say, a student who does not care at all and then asks for extra credit opportunities at the end of the semester. that irritates me to no end.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": "It depends what you are coming to my office for. If you want to understand the material and position yourself to perform better in the future, I'm thrilled to see you and will go above and beyond to connect you with every campus resource that might be there to help you turn things around. I'm here to evaluate your work, not your worth as a person. If you want to ask me for so much flexibility that the only way to accommodate you is to build a time machine and personally wake you up for classes and due dates for the past month and a half, I'm not going to see the meeting as a valuable use of your time or mine.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": "for physics, the vast amount of poor performers are poor because of a complete lack of effort. So, I guess it is more indifference. If you don't care, why should I. If someone is making a sincere effort we usually love those students and will bend over backwards to try to help them understand better, and to explain things in a way that they can get. And it usually works. If you put in the effort and ask questions, you will do well in our class.",
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"content": ">If someone who had an F or a D came to office hours in the middle of the semester, would this annoy you? To the contrary, I would be happy to see a student who is struggling in a class take the initiative to come to office hours. Know that office hours are a professor's time that is set aside for meeting with students. It's literally your professor's job to meet with you or any other student during that time. So while they shouldn't be annoyed by you coming to office hours, on the off chance that they are, they'd be annoyed about the prospect of doing something that is part of their job duties. If you're worried about coming to office hours, it may help to think about what you want out of office hours. Do you want to discuss what a pathway to passing the class might look like for you? Are there aspects of the current material in class (or homework sets, etc.) that you're having difficulty understanding and you'd like to get some clarification with? Would you like to get better connected with department or campus resources for academic support? You might find having a clear goal in mind helpful. Most all of us love to see a student who is initially struggling in a class take steps to grow and improve and ultimately do well in the class (or pass the class, when it may have at one point felt out of reach). I'm rooting for you, and I hope your professor is, too.",
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"content": "No, that would become seriously exhausting. I recognize that the course I am teaching may not be \"your thing.\" What does make me dislike students are: not showing up for repeated scheduled appointments without notice, asking me to change their grade to something they haven't earned (especially when they have missed several assignments and class meetings), students who are repeatedly rude in class (like to other students during discussions,) and tbh, students I catch cheating.",
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"content": "depends on why they are failing. life got you good? that's different than, say, a student who does not care at all and then asks for extra credit opportunities at the end of the semester. that irritates me to no end.",
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"content": "No, that would become seriously exhausting. I recognize that the course I am teaching may not be \"your thing.\" What does make me dislike students are: not showing up for repeated scheduled appointments without notice, asking me to change their grade to something they haven't earned (especially when they have missed several assignments and class meetings), students who are repeatedly rude in class (like to other students during discussions,) and tbh, students I catch cheating.",
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"content": "No, I don't dislike them. Usually they are disorganized, unprepared, overwhelmed and their own worse enemies. In short, they are young. I have had many students failing badly for really dumb reasons who come to office hours - I am not here to judge them, just to help. Sometimes there is little I can do practically for this class for this semester, but there are always students who take my sage advice and do better later. It is only continuing your poor judgement over a long time that hurts you. A bad first semester or 2 is something that you can totally recover from if you learn from your mistakes. Most people don't learn from their mistakes, don't listen to what I say, and don't get better TBH. But I am still not here to judge, and I personally feel like learning ANYTHING is better than nothing, so I do my best and I don't dislike them either - I feel sorry for them actually. I don't like being lied to, manipulated and this rarely works - like do you seriously think you thought up someway to game the system I haven't heard in 20 years? But I have had my own kids and I know that is how it works, and I don't take it personally. I truly dislike cheaters. This makes everything so much worse for everyone else, mostly your classmates.",
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"content": "depends on why they are failing. life got you good? that's different than, say, a student who does not care at all and then asks for extra credit opportunities at the end of the semester. that irritates me to no end.",
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"content": "No, I don't dislike them. Usually they are disorganized, unprepared, overwhelmed and their own worse enemies. In short, they are young. I have had many students failing badly for really dumb reasons who come to office hours - I am not here to judge them, just to help. Sometimes there is little I can do practically for this class for this semester, but there are always students who take my sage advice and do better later. It is only continuing your poor judgement over a long time that hurts you. A bad first semester or 2 is something that you can totally recover from if you learn from your mistakes. Most people don't learn from their mistakes, don't listen to what I say, and don't get better TBH. But I am still not here to judge, and I personally feel like learning ANYTHING is better than nothing, so I do my best and I don't dislike them either - I feel sorry for them actually. I don't like being lied to, manipulated and this rarely works - like do you seriously think you thought up someway to game the system I haven't heard in 20 years? But I have had my own kids and I know that is how it works, and I don't take it personally. I truly dislike cheaters. This makes everything so much worse for everyone else, mostly your classmates.",
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"content": "Nope. Some of them are nice and fun to have in class; they just need to get their shit together. I offer to help as much as I can, but sometimes people are okay with grades that I wouldn't be okay with myself and that's fine. Other people might not be ready for college, and that's a shame, but it's their journey. If you keep your head down, get bad grades, and never talk to me though, I probably don't think about you much between papers. That's the truth. I care for all of my students, but there's a certain amount of getting out what you put in.",
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"content": "No. Students who do try, but still do poorly, make me sad. Students who don't try make me exasperated. The ones I dislike are the students who don't try, and then expect me to do extra work as a result.",
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"content": "Nope. Some of them are nice and fun to have in class; they just need to get their shit together. I offer to help as much as I can, but sometimes people are okay with grades that I wouldn't be okay with myself and that's fine. Other people might not be ready for college, and that's a shame, but it's their journey. If you keep your head down, get bad grades, and never talk to me though, I probably don't think about you much between papers. That's the truth. I care for all of my students, but there's a certain amount of getting out what you put in.",
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"content": "Nope. Some of them are nice and fun to have in class; they just need to get their shit together. I offer to help as much as I can, but sometimes people are okay with grades that I wouldn't be okay with myself and that's fine. Other people might not be ready for college, and that's a shame, but it's their journey. If you keep your head down, get bad grades, and never talk to me though, I probably don't think about you much between papers. That's the truth. I care for all of my students, but there's a certain amount of getting out what you put in.",
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"content": "depends on why they are failing. life got you good? that's different than, say, a student who does not care at all and then asks for extra credit opportunities at the end of the semester. that irritates me to no end.",
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"content": "Nope. Some of them are nice and fun to have in class; they just need to get their shit together. I offer to help as much as I can, but sometimes people are okay with grades that I wouldn't be okay with myself and that's fine. Other people might not be ready for college, and that's a shame, but it's their journey. If you keep your head down, get bad grades, and never talk to me though, I probably don't think about you much between papers. That's the truth. I care for all of my students, but there's a certain amount of getting out what you put in.",
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"content": "Nope. Some of them are nice and fun to have in class; they just need to get their shit together. I offer to help as much as I can, but sometimes people are okay with grades that I wouldn't be okay with myself and that's fine. Other people might not be ready for college, and that's a shame, but it's their journey. If you keep your head down, get bad grades, and never talk to me though, I probably don't think about you much between papers. That's the truth. I care for all of my students, but there's a certain amount of getting out what you put in.",
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"content": "It depends what you are coming to my office for. If you want to understand the material and position yourself to perform better in the future, I'm thrilled to see you and will go above and beyond to connect you with every campus resource that might be there to help you turn things around. I'm here to evaluate your work, not your worth as a person. If you want to ask me for so much flexibility that the only way to accommodate you is to build a time machine and personally wake you up for classes and due dates for the past month and a half, I'm not going to see the meeting as a valuable use of your time or mine.",
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"content": "Nope. Some of them are nice and fun to have in class; they just need to get their shit together. I offer to help as much as I can, but sometimes people are okay with grades that I wouldn't be okay with myself and that's fine. Other people might not be ready for college, and that's a shame, but it's their journey. If you keep your head down, get bad grades, and never talk to me though, I probably don't think about you much between papers. That's the truth. I care for all of my students, but there's a certain amount of getting out what you put in.",
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"content": "for physics, the vast amount of poor performers are poor because of a complete lack of effort. So, I guess it is more indifference. If you don't care, why should I. If someone is making a sincere effort we usually love those students and will bend over backwards to try to help them understand better, and to explain things in a way that they can get. And it usually works. If you put in the effort and ask questions, you will do well in our class.",
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"content": "No. Students who do try, but still do poorly, make me sad. Students who don't try make me exasperated. The ones I dislike are the students who don't try, and then expect me to do extra work as a result.",
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"content": "depends on why they are failing. life got you good? that's different than, say, a student who does not care at all and then asks for extra credit opportunities at the end of the semester. that irritates me to no end.",
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"content": "No. Students who do try, but still do poorly, make me sad. Students who don't try make me exasperated. The ones I dislike are the students who don't try, and then expect me to do extra work as a result.",
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"content": "I always tell my students - these classes are for you, not me. I already know what’s in them. This is the part of my job where I just say things I already know instead of try to figure out things I don’t. I’m here because I know about this topic and you have access to me and my expertise for a semester. That’s LITERALLY what you’re paying for. If you don’t want to learn, they don’t pay me less. It’s a colossal waste of your resources (money x time) if you do poorly, but I really don’t care. I *WANT* everyone to do well, but it’s not my job or interest to police you. You are paying. I say the smart stuff and if you want to learn, great! If not - no big deal at all. That said, if people are legit struggling in my classes I really respect the ones that come in if they ASK ME HOW THEY CAN LEARN THE MATERIAL. If they ask me how they can improve their grade, I say “learn the material.” But if all you care about is your grade you are optimizing for something that is a bizarre byproduct of our unfortunate need for expediency in evaluation. So I couldn’t care less about your grades. Good or bad. They’re yours and I’d do away with them in a minute if I could. Conversely, I have talked for hours at a time with students who are trying to understand. I’m happy to. It doesn’t matter what grade they currently have. I love what I do and I happily let that love reverberate between me my students if they care to take interest. No matter what grade they have, their attendance or anything else.",
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"content": "depends on why they are failing. life got you good? that's different than, say, a student who does not care at all and then asks for extra credit opportunities at the end of the semester. that irritates me to no end.",
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"content": "I always tell my students - these classes are for you, not me. I already know what’s in them. This is the part of my job where I just say things I already know instead of try to figure out things I don’t. I’m here because I know about this topic and you have access to me and my expertise for a semester. That’s LITERALLY what you’re paying for. If you don’t want to learn, they don’t pay me less. It’s a colossal waste of your resources (money x time) if you do poorly, but I really don’t care. I *WANT* everyone to do well, but it’s not my job or interest to police you. You are paying. I say the smart stuff and if you want to learn, great! If not - no big deal at all. That said, if people are legit struggling in my classes I really respect the ones that come in if they ASK ME HOW THEY CAN LEARN THE MATERIAL. If they ask me how they can improve their grade, I say “learn the material.” But if all you care about is your grade you are optimizing for something that is a bizarre byproduct of our unfortunate need for expediency in evaluation. So I couldn’t care less about your grades. Good or bad. They’re yours and I’d do away with them in a minute if I could. Conversely, I have talked for hours at a time with students who are trying to understand. I’m happy to. It doesn’t matter what grade they currently have. I love what I do and I happily let that love reverberate between me my students if they care to take interest. No matter what grade they have, their attendance or anything else.",
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"content": "I always tell my students - these classes are for you, not me. I already know what’s in them. This is the part of my job where I just say things I already know instead of try to figure out things I don’t. I’m here because I know about this topic and you have access to me and my expertise for a semester. That’s LITERALLY what you’re paying for. If you don’t want to learn, they don’t pay me less. It’s a colossal waste of your resources (money x time) if you do poorly, but I really don’t care. I *WANT* everyone to do well, but it’s not my job or interest to police you. You are paying. I say the smart stuff and if you want to learn, great! If not - no big deal at all. That said, if people are legit struggling in my classes I really respect the ones that come in if they ASK ME HOW THEY CAN LEARN THE MATERIAL. If they ask me how they can improve their grade, I say “learn the material.” But if all you care about is your grade you are optimizing for something that is a bizarre byproduct of our unfortunate need for expediency in evaluation. So I couldn’t care less about your grades. Good or bad. They’re yours and I’d do away with them in a minute if I could. Conversely, I have talked for hours at a time with students who are trying to understand. I’m happy to. It doesn’t matter what grade they currently have. I love what I do and I happily let that love reverberate between me my students if they care to take interest. No matter what grade they have, their attendance or anything else.",
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"content": "It depends what you are coming to my office for. If you want to understand the material and position yourself to perform better in the future, I'm thrilled to see you and will go above and beyond to connect you with every campus resource that might be there to help you turn things around. I'm here to evaluate your work, not your worth as a person. If you want to ask me for so much flexibility that the only way to accommodate you is to build a time machine and personally wake you up for classes and due dates for the past month and a half, I'm not going to see the meeting as a valuable use of your time or mine.",
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"content": "for physics, the vast amount of poor performers are poor because of a complete lack of effort. So, I guess it is more indifference. If you don't care, why should I. If someone is making a sincere effort we usually love those students and will bend over backwards to try to help them understand better, and to explain things in a way that they can get. And it usually works. If you put in the effort and ask questions, you will do well in our class.",
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In an academic job - but still struggling with academic writing Hi everyone. I am in a research-oriented job, essentially it's all about public international law. So basically, one of the criteria in my job is to write and publish articles in peer-reviewed journals. Now, I have tried writing, with help of a colleague and we got one paper published also. I have written few blog posts as well. But somehow, my writing skills are still at a sub-par level. Now highlighting my issues with writing a. I don't think I have fancy/interesting enough of an issue to write. b. When I actually do start writing, I get a giant mental block, My body literally revolts at the process. I shut down and I just cannot type anymore. c. I feel highly incompetent and underconfident. I have tried the Pomodoro method, I have tried setting word count limit for the day to write. I have literally forced myself to write anything. But I just cannot. Now the thought of it makes me want to vomit. I know to improve my writing skills, I need to write. But I can't write. I procrastinate, sleep, watch movies, etc, Meanwhile, I can write memos for my legal work. But that's it. I know my memos can also be more brilliant if only I can get more writing practice under my belt. For the past two months, I have been toiling with the idea of starting my own blog on a topic I like. But my brain shuts down at the thought of it. If anyone can provide pointers or some sort of advice to get out of this funk. I genuinely want to be more disciplined about my writing because it is about career progression. But I just don't know how. At this point, any help is welcomed. Thank you. | 1931dcaf50459eb31ddfd6149e47332cb3bed9f772b1b71f4b8ad344c73c28f8 | [
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"content": "Look, this is hard, and you’re not alone. But if you are not exaggerating the scale of your reaction to writing, you seem to be experiencing great anxiety, which a therapist may be better able to help you with. Honestly, it sounds like you’re putting a lot of judgement and value statements behind the act of writing, and shooting yourself in the foot before you can start. You might want to explore why that is and how to mitigate it. As for my own strategies: - start with an outline. Every bullet is a point you want to make. Once you have those in order - I find I have to reorder things a lot - you can expand each point into a paragraph. - talk at someone. Writing is asynchronous communication, but communication nonetheless. It’s easy to get bogged down in words and forget about the audience. Telling someone directly about what you are thinking helps with that. I will sometimes play out giving a talk on a subject because my brain works like that. - give yourself permission to write a shitty first draft. The first version doesn’t have to be polished, or even good. Just write. DO NOT give into the temptation to stop and edit, or even read what you write. Once you have some terrible text down, you can go and edit it without the blank page problem.",
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"content": "Legal academic here! It is a constant work in progress. I have colleagues who have been professors for 25+ years who still get bad feedback from peer reviewers. What also makes it hard is that different journals want different styles of writing. For example, some journals want first person writing, some prefer passive voice etc etc. Not all of these styles come naturally to everyone. My process is to find a lacuna in the law, and then start with the solutions I want to propose. So if I am writing on article 9 of the ICESCR, I will identify what I think the problem AND solution is. Then from there, I start with an article outline. Example: 1 Introduction 2 Background to Article 9 2.1 Negotiation of content of Article 9 2.2 Interpretation of Article 9 3 Implementation of Article 9 4 Shortcomings of Article 9 5 Recommendations and conclusions And then you can work on each section as and when the mood grabs you. I do not ever hold myself to writing x amount of words, I find it stifling and counterproductive. But remember that doing references, formatting, bibliography etc all counts towards the end product, so do those if you feel like you need to work but don't feel like writing. Good luck!",
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"content": "Look, this is hard, and you’re not alone. But if you are not exaggerating the scale of your reaction to writing, you seem to be experiencing great anxiety, which a therapist may be better able to help you with. Honestly, it sounds like you’re putting a lot of judgement and value statements behind the act of writing, and shooting yourself in the foot before you can start. You might want to explore why that is and how to mitigate it. As for my own strategies: - start with an outline. Every bullet is a point you want to make. Once you have those in order - I find I have to reorder things a lot - you can expand each point into a paragraph. - talk at someone. Writing is asynchronous communication, but communication nonetheless. It’s easy to get bogged down in words and forget about the audience. Telling someone directly about what you are thinking helps with that. I will sometimes play out giving a talk on a subject because my brain works like that. - give yourself permission to write a shitty first draft. The first version doesn’t have to be polished, or even good. Just write. DO NOT give into the temptation to stop and edit, or even read what you write. Once you have some terrible text down, you can go and edit it without the blank page problem.",
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"content": "Ugh I know the struggle, I'm in a research oriented 6 months internship in cs and will soon be looking for a job as a research engineer. I love what I do but the hardest part for me is being consistent with writing. Now that I work from home, I get distracted watching movies and reading about turtles and orcas lol just to escape the agony. The only thing that works for me now is taking small 10 min breaks every one to two hours of writing to do something fun but once the break is over it's OVER that extra minute becomes an hour. If you have other tasks try to switch between tasks so that you don't get bored. I'm not an expert researcher but I hope my millennial advice help :)",
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"content": "Legal academic here! It is a constant work in progress. I have colleagues who have been professors for 25+ years who still get bad feedback from peer reviewers. What also makes it hard is that different journals want different styles of writing. For example, some journals want first person writing, some prefer passive voice etc etc. Not all of these styles come naturally to everyone. My process is to find a lacuna in the law, and then start with the solutions I want to propose. So if I am writing on article 9 of the ICESCR, I will identify what I think the problem AND solution is. Then from there, I start with an article outline. Example: 1 Introduction 2 Background to Article 9 2.1 Negotiation of content of Article 9 2.2 Interpretation of Article 9 3 Implementation of Article 9 4 Shortcomings of Article 9 5 Recommendations and conclusions And then you can work on each section as and when the mood grabs you. I do not ever hold myself to writing x amount of words, I find it stifling and counterproductive. But remember that doing references, formatting, bibliography etc all counts towards the end product, so do those if you feel like you need to work but don't feel like writing. Good luck!",
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"content": "Ugh I know the struggle, I'm in a research oriented 6 months internship in cs and will soon be looking for a job as a research engineer. I love what I do but the hardest part for me is being consistent with writing. Now that I work from home, I get distracted watching movies and reading about turtles and orcas lol just to escape the agony. The only thing that works for me now is taking small 10 min breaks every one to two hours of writing to do something fun but once the break is over it's OVER that extra minute becomes an hour. If you have other tasks try to switch between tasks so that you don't get bored. I'm not an expert researcher but I hope my millennial advice help :)",
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"content": "Legal academic here! It is a constant work in progress. I have colleagues who have been professors for 25+ years who still get bad feedback from peer reviewers. What also makes it hard is that different journals want different styles of writing. For example, some journals want first person writing, some prefer passive voice etc etc. Not all of these styles come naturally to everyone. My process is to find a lacuna in the law, and then start with the solutions I want to propose. So if I am writing on article 9 of the ICESCR, I will identify what I think the problem AND solution is. Then from there, I start with an article outline. Example: 1 Introduction 2 Background to Article 9 2.1 Negotiation of content of Article 9 2.2 Interpretation of Article 9 3 Implementation of Article 9 4 Shortcomings of Article 9 5 Recommendations and conclusions And then you can work on each section as and when the mood grabs you. I do not ever hold myself to writing x amount of words, I find it stifling and counterproductive. But remember that doing references, formatting, bibliography etc all counts towards the end product, so do those if you feel like you need to work but don't feel like writing. Good luck!",
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"content": "This procrastination sounds a lot like ADHD and/or stress. The pandemic has caused a lot of people to complain about being distracted, brain fog--essentially, it has *given* them ADHD. Consider addressing stress in your life, getting regular exercise, 20 min of meditation a day (the length most strongly associated with neurological changes), and pursuing creative hobbies. These things don't directly address your writing problems, but there is ample evidence that such changes will increase your focus, clarity of thought, and productivity. It also sounds like you may be actively avoiding due to stress related to the project, so consider confiding in a trusted friend or colleague about it. Perhaps just getting it off your chest will ease the anxiety that is keeping you from doing the thing.",
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"content": "How comfortable are you sharing rough drafts with your colleagues? While the following isn't true for everyone, it is _very_ common for many to feel like their first draft has to be of a \"final draft\" quality. Further, many don't ever talk about how much revision they engage in from first -> last draft so that it seems, to others, like they're generating amazing work from the get-go. (This isn't even taking into account editor & reviewer feedback, either.)",
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In an academic job - but still struggling with academic writing Hi everyone. I am in a research-oriented job, essentially it's all about public international law. So basically, one of the criteria in my job is to write and publish articles in peer-reviewed journals. Now, I have tried writing, with help of a colleague and we got one paper published also. I have written few blog posts as well. But somehow, my writing skills are still at a sub-par level. Now highlighting my issues with writing a. I don't think I have fancy/interesting enough of an issue to write. b. When I actually do start writing, I get a giant mental block, My body literally revolts at the process. I shut down and I just cannot type anymore. c. I feel highly incompetent and underconfident. I have tried the Pomodoro method, I have tried setting word count limit for the day to write. I have literally forced myself to write anything. But I just cannot. Now the thought of it makes me want to vomit. I know to improve my writing skills, I need to write. But I can't write. I procrastinate, sleep, watch movies, etc, Meanwhile, I can write memos for my legal work. But that's it. I know my memos can also be more brilliant if only I can get more writing practice under my belt. For the past two months, I have been toiling with the idea of starting my own blog on a topic I like. But my brain shuts down at the thought of it. If anyone can provide pointers or some sort of advice to get out of this funk. I genuinely want to be more disciplined about my writing because it is about career progression. But I just don't know how. At this point, any help is welcomed. Thank you. | 1931dcaf50459eb31ddfd6149e47332cb3bed9f772b1b71f4b8ad344c73c28f8 | [
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"content": "This procrastination sounds a lot like ADHD and/or stress. The pandemic has caused a lot of people to complain about being distracted, brain fog--essentially, it has *given* them ADHD. Consider addressing stress in your life, getting regular exercise, 20 min of meditation a day (the length most strongly associated with neurological changes), and pursuing creative hobbies. These things don't directly address your writing problems, but there is ample evidence that such changes will increase your focus, clarity of thought, and productivity. It also sounds like you may be actively avoiding due to stress related to the project, so consider confiding in a trusted friend or colleague about it. Perhaps just getting it off your chest will ease the anxiety that is keeping you from doing the thing.",
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"content": "In an academic job - but still struggling with academic writing Hi everyone. I am in a research-oriented job, essentially it's all about public international law. So basically, one of the criteria in my job is to write and publish articles in peer-reviewed journals. Now, I have tried writing, with help of a colleague and we got one paper published also. I have written few blog posts as well. But somehow, my writing skills are still at a sub-par level. Now highlighting my issues with writing a. I don't think I have fancy/interesting enough of an issue to write. b. When I actually do start writing, I get a giant mental block, My body literally revolts at the process. I shut down and I just cannot type anymore. c. I feel highly incompetent and underconfident. I have tried the Pomodoro method, I have tried setting word count limit for the day to write. I have literally forced myself to write anything. But I just cannot. Now the thought of it makes me want to vomit. I know to improve my writing skills, I need to write. But I can't write. I procrastinate, sleep, watch movies, etc, Meanwhile, I can write memos for my legal work. But that's it. I know my memos can also be more brilliant if only I can get more writing practice under my belt. For the past two months, I have been toiling with the idea of starting my own blog on a topic I like. But my brain shuts down at the thought of it. If anyone can provide pointers or some sort of advice to get out of this funk. I genuinely want to be more disciplined about my writing because it is about career progression. But I just don't know how. At this point, any help is welcomed. Thank you.",
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"content": "I’m not going to give you writing tips. I’m going to suggest therapy. A lot of the issues you expressed lie in self-doubt and anxiety. More and more we are seeing research show that procrastination is a different form of anxiety. A therapist can give you tools to help work through these underlying thoughts to control them. Mindfulness activities like meditation may help too.",
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In an academic job - but still struggling with academic writing Hi everyone. I am in a research-oriented job, essentially it's all about public international law. So basically, one of the criteria in my job is to write and publish articles in peer-reviewed journals. Now, I have tried writing, with help of a colleague and we got one paper published also. I have written few blog posts as well. But somehow, my writing skills are still at a sub-par level. Now highlighting my issues with writing a. I don't think I have fancy/interesting enough of an issue to write. b. When I actually do start writing, I get a giant mental block, My body literally revolts at the process. I shut down and I just cannot type anymore. c. I feel highly incompetent and underconfident. I have tried the Pomodoro method, I have tried setting word count limit for the day to write. I have literally forced myself to write anything. But I just cannot. Now the thought of it makes me want to vomit. I know to improve my writing skills, I need to write. But I can't write. I procrastinate, sleep, watch movies, etc, Meanwhile, I can write memos for my legal work. But that's it. I know my memos can also be more brilliant if only I can get more writing practice under my belt. For the past two months, I have been toiling with the idea of starting my own blog on a topic I like. But my brain shuts down at the thought of it. If anyone can provide pointers or some sort of advice to get out of this funk. I genuinely want to be more disciplined about my writing because it is about career progression. But I just don't know how. At this point, any help is welcomed. Thank you. | 1931dcaf50459eb31ddfd6149e47332cb3bed9f772b1b71f4b8ad344c73c28f8 | [
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"content": "I'm having the same problem. Sometimes I feel that there is too much writing getting published. It should not be the benchmark for research. I have read quite a few papers that are not much more than restating in 30 pages what can be said in 1 page. Practically, I found I got more productive when rather than read a series of papers and trying to distill an argument after reading all of them and taking notes, I started to wrote my paper right away. Sure, it is very chaotic and I will have to delete lots of stuff but it helps against forgetting things, which happens when you read a lot. Even extensive notetaking or highlighting won't help you a lot. I have Scrivener for years and only last years I really started to appreciate the application: being able to put something in a sidebar makes it easier to write short passages and still keep an overview of your whole project. Have a look at it. https://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener/overview",
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In an academic job - but still struggling with academic writing Hi everyone. I am in a research-oriented job, essentially it's all about public international law. So basically, one of the criteria in my job is to write and publish articles in peer-reviewed journals. Now, I have tried writing, with help of a colleague and we got one paper published also. I have written few blog posts as well. But somehow, my writing skills are still at a sub-par level. Now highlighting my issues with writing a. I don't think I have fancy/interesting enough of an issue to write. b. When I actually do start writing, I get a giant mental block, My body literally revolts at the process. I shut down and I just cannot type anymore. c. I feel highly incompetent and underconfident. I have tried the Pomodoro method, I have tried setting word count limit for the day to write. I have literally forced myself to write anything. But I just cannot. Now the thought of it makes me want to vomit. I know to improve my writing skills, I need to write. But I can't write. I procrastinate, sleep, watch movies, etc, Meanwhile, I can write memos for my legal work. But that's it. I know my memos can also be more brilliant if only I can get more writing practice under my belt. For the past two months, I have been toiling with the idea of starting my own blog on a topic I like. But my brain shuts down at the thought of it. If anyone can provide pointers or some sort of advice to get out of this funk. I genuinely want to be more disciplined about my writing because it is about career progression. But I just don't know how. At this point, any help is welcomed. Thank you. | 1931dcaf50459eb31ddfd6149e47332cb3bed9f772b1b71f4b8ad344c73c28f8 | [
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"content": "I am going to suggest something that seems to be contrary to good advice but works for me: drink and put yourself in front of a computer. I too have a mental block, and I find that bourbon helps the words just flow from my fingertips. The next day, I then edit what I had written in Bacchanal style for clarity. Virtually all of my academic writing is done this way. Would this work for you? I don't know, but regardless, I hope you find a way out of it!",
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"content": "In an academic job - but still struggling with academic writing Hi everyone. I am in a research-oriented job, essentially it's all about public international law. So basically, one of the criteria in my job is to write and publish articles in peer-reviewed journals. Now, I have tried writing, with help of a colleague and we got one paper published also. I have written few blog posts as well. But somehow, my writing skills are still at a sub-par level. Now highlighting my issues with writing a. I don't think I have fancy/interesting enough of an issue to write. b. When I actually do start writing, I get a giant mental block, My body literally revolts at the process. I shut down and I just cannot type anymore. c. I feel highly incompetent and underconfident. I have tried the Pomodoro method, I have tried setting word count limit for the day to write. I have literally forced myself to write anything. But I just cannot. Now the thought of it makes me want to vomit. I know to improve my writing skills, I need to write. But I can't write. I procrastinate, sleep, watch movies, etc, Meanwhile, I can write memos for my legal work. But that's it. I know my memos can also be more brilliant if only I can get more writing practice under my belt. For the past two months, I have been toiling with the idea of starting my own blog on a topic I like. But my brain shuts down at the thought of it. If anyone can provide pointers or some sort of advice to get out of this funk. I genuinely want to be more disciplined about my writing because it is about career progression. But I just don't know how. At this point, any help is welcomed. Thank you.",
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"content": "In an academic job - but still struggling with academic writing Hi everyone. I am in a research-oriented job, essentially it's all about public international law. So basically, one of the criteria in my job is to write and publish articles in peer-reviewed journals. Now, I have tried writing, with help of a colleague and we got one paper published also. I have written few blog posts as well. But somehow, my writing skills are still at a sub-par level. Now highlighting my issues with writing a. I don't think I have fancy/interesting enough of an issue to write. b. When I actually do start writing, I get a giant mental block, My body literally revolts at the process. I shut down and I just cannot type anymore. c. I feel highly incompetent and underconfident. I have tried the Pomodoro method, I have tried setting word count limit for the day to write. I have literally forced myself to write anything. But I just cannot. Now the thought of it makes me want to vomit. I know to improve my writing skills, I need to write. But I can't write. I procrastinate, sleep, watch movies, etc, Meanwhile, I can write memos for my legal work. But that's it. I know my memos can also be more brilliant if only I can get more writing practice under my belt. For the past two months, I have been toiling with the idea of starting my own blog on a topic I like. But my brain shuts down at the thought of it. If anyone can provide pointers or some sort of advice to get out of this funk. I genuinely want to be more disciplined about my writing because it is about career progression. But I just don't know how. At this point, any help is welcomed. Thank you.",
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Lost Recent Ph.D. Graduate What should I do with my life? ​ This may be more of a rant than anything else, but I need to let my thoughts out. I figured this would an outlet where some people might be able to relate and may even realize they're not alone in this position. I hope I'm not. I am currently a postdoc in South Korea. I am a Korean/American dual citizen. Undergrad (Chemistry) in the states, Master's (Pharmacology) and Ph.D. (Chemistry/Chemical biology) in Korea. My research was in anti-cancer and Alzheimer's disease. My experience with graduate school in Korea has not been great. Lack of any real guidance and unfair treatment from the professors. I was subject to significantly high levels of stress during my master's and first 3 years of PhD. I worked hard. For those first two years of my Ph.D., I worked around 14 hours a day, Monday to Sunday, without taking a day off. This was mainly because I was forced to. I badly wanted to leave this lab for these reasons, and many others, but things were complicated due to my military duties. Looking back I should've just enlisted and done my two years. Long story short. Now, I am a postdoc with glaucoma and 2 research articles as a first co-author (my advisor likes to mess with me by adding on additional authors as co-first authors to undermine my work). 3 review articles Numerous research articles as co-authors, many of which I was responsible for basically rewriting, reorganizing, or completely writing myself for publications. ​ I feel exhausted and lost about my future. This postdoc position is keeping me afloat, but I feel the need to get out of this lab asap. I have been applying for research positions in the US without landing an interview. I had one interview last week with a biotech startup, which I don't think went too well. I may be just feeling burnt out, but I am so sick of everything. I'm at a loss here and feel like I need to do some soul searching. Thanks for listening to my jumbled rant. | c0be5f2639ff4d5f057f2eafc20e12e4b2386ab262fbd3234b09d8e0e1b39681 | [
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"content": "Lost Recent Ph.D. Graduate What should I do with my life? ​ This may be more of a rant than anything else, but I need to let my thoughts out. I figured this would an outlet where some people might be able to relate and may even realize they're not alone in this position. I hope I'm not. I am currently a postdoc in South Korea. I am a Korean/American dual citizen. Undergrad (Chemistry) in the states, Master's (Pharmacology) and Ph.D. (Chemistry/Chemical biology) in Korea. My research was in anti-cancer and Alzheimer's disease. My experience with graduate school in Korea has not been great. Lack of any real guidance and unfair treatment from the professors. I was subject to significantly high levels of stress during my master's and first 3 years of PhD. I worked hard. For those first two years of my Ph.D., I worked around 14 hours a day, Monday to Sunday, without taking a day off. This was mainly because I was forced to. I badly wanted to leave this lab for these reasons, and many others, but things were complicated due to my military duties. Looking back I should've just enlisted and done my two years. Long story short. Now, I am a postdoc with glaucoma and 2 research articles as a first co-author (my advisor likes to mess with me by adding on additional authors as co-first authors to undermine my work). 3 review articles Numerous research articles as co-authors, many of which I was responsible for basically rewriting, reorganizing, or completely writing myself for publications. ​ I feel exhausted and lost about my future. This postdoc position is keeping me afloat, but I feel the need to get out of this lab asap. I have been applying for research positions in the US without landing an interview. I had one interview last week with a biotech startup, which I don't think went too well. I may be just feeling burnt out, but I am so sick of everything. I'm at a loss here and feel like I need to do some soul searching. Thanks for listening to my jumbled rant.",
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"content": "Jobs applications can be excruciating. You think you fit the bill and put your heart in that application, only to be rejected without any meaningful feedback. I am preparing to leave academia in the coming years. I invested a bit in the stock market that is starting to pay off and also am helping a friend build a company. Academia sucks life out of you and makes you feel miserable. Good luck with the job search.",
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"content": "I don’t have any wisdom to offer on practical front because I’m merely a masters student. I do however sympathize strongly with your situation as I am a Korean myself trying to deal with the military. (I myself was an undergraduate researcher for 2 yrs before leaving to get my masters somewhere else outside the country for similar reasons you’ve stated) Good news I suppose is that you’re now not tied down by your citizenship. Bad news is having to reconcile with the current job market and your academic network now being mostly in Korea. But for once, your outlook in life is no longer tied down to your passport. I hesitate to tell you to just take a break. We both know how that looks to most Korean professors. Just know that there are options out there even if that means burning the bridge you have with your PI.",
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"content": "I don’t have any wisdom to offer on practical front because I’m merely a masters student. I do however sympathize strongly with your situation as I am a Korean myself trying to deal with the military. (I myself was an undergraduate researcher for 2 yrs before leaving to get my masters somewhere else outside the country for similar reasons you’ve stated) Good news I suppose is that you’re now not tied down by your citizenship. Bad news is having to reconcile with the current job market and your academic network now being mostly in Korea. But for once, your outlook in life is no longer tied down to your passport. I hesitate to tell you to just take a break. We both know how that looks to most Korean professors. Just know that there are options out there even if that means burning the bridge you have with your PI.",
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"content": "I’m so sorry to hear about your struggles. Don’t give up. You are at a difficult point in your career in one of the most challenging years in the past century due to COVID and its impacts on both academia and the global economy. I’m not going to advise you regarding academia vs industry as that is a deeply personal decision, but I do encourage you to apply broadly and consider additional postdocs in the US. The job search game is a difficult one and can be soul-crushing. The key is to recognize that there are a million things outside of your control and which have nothing to do with you. Job descriptions are not always complete, area preferences are not always stated, inside applicants sometimes have preference, you can’t control who else applies, etc. My recommendation is to apply for everything that might possibly be interesting and see what comes of it. Good luck with your search. I can’t speak for everyone, but at least in my field (Computer Science), Korean degrees are respected. I would think that plus a US postdoc (should you go that route) would make you very competitive in the academic job market when things pick up again.",
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"content": "I don’t have any wisdom to offer on practical front because I’m merely a masters student. I do however sympathize strongly with your situation as I am a Korean myself trying to deal with the military. (I myself was an undergraduate researcher for 2 yrs before leaving to get my masters somewhere else outside the country for similar reasons you’ve stated) Good news I suppose is that you’re now not tied down by your citizenship. Bad news is having to reconcile with the current job market and your academic network now being mostly in Korea. But for once, your outlook in life is no longer tied down to your passport. I hesitate to tell you to just take a break. We both know how that looks to most Korean professors. Just know that there are options out there even if that means burning the bridge you have with your PI.",
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"content": "I feel your pain, my buddy. Postdocing is the worst form of being a scientist. You're basically propping up the project for those graduate students. Once your seed project starts working, your PI add more graduates in terms of helping you, but in fact, it's an incentive to recruit more graduates into the lab. If the project doesn't work, you're in line to get fired any time soon. Postdocs are hanging by the contract. You should definitely leave the postdoc career. It's always the case. You'd often hear a similar situation across the world, in Spain, UK, US anywhere. The same shit, abusive PIs, churning out the papers hoping to get funded, while squeezing the postdocs. They won't get fired. They have tenure. Get out of academic lab asap. They are toxic.",
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"content": "Lost Recent Ph.D. Graduate What should I do with my life? ​ This may be more of a rant than anything else, but I need to let my thoughts out. I figured this would an outlet where some people might be able to relate and may even realize they're not alone in this position. I hope I'm not. I am currently a postdoc in South Korea. I am a Korean/American dual citizen. Undergrad (Chemistry) in the states, Master's (Pharmacology) and Ph.D. (Chemistry/Chemical biology) in Korea. My research was in anti-cancer and Alzheimer's disease. My experience with graduate school in Korea has not been great. Lack of any real guidance and unfair treatment from the professors. I was subject to significantly high levels of stress during my master's and first 3 years of PhD. I worked hard. For those first two years of my Ph.D., I worked around 14 hours a day, Monday to Sunday, without taking a day off. This was mainly because I was forced to. I badly wanted to leave this lab for these reasons, and many others, but things were complicated due to my military duties. Looking back I should've just enlisted and done my two years. Long story short. Now, I am a postdoc with glaucoma and 2 research articles as a first co-author (my advisor likes to mess with me by adding on additional authors as co-first authors to undermine my work). 3 review articles Numerous research articles as co-authors, many of which I was responsible for basically rewriting, reorganizing, or completely writing myself for publications. ​ I feel exhausted and lost about my future. This postdoc position is keeping me afloat, but I feel the need to get out of this lab asap. I have been applying for research positions in the US without landing an interview. I had one interview last week with a biotech startup, which I don't think went too well. I may be just feeling burnt out, but I am so sick of everything. I'm at a loss here and feel like I need to do some soul searching. Thanks for listening to my jumbled rant.",
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"content": "Keep applying. It might take a long time, but something will work for you. Also, the more you interview, the better it will go because it takes practice! If you keep trying, then you won't feel lost. It will give you a purpose. With your qualifications, you will find something. Like others who've answered so far, my recommendation is that you look into alt-ac. There must be many private companies and labs in America that could use your research skills. Even better would be if you could find a company that would value your skills with Korean culture and language. Consider \"selling\" yourself with that as a primary asset!",
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"content": "Lost Recent Ph.D. Graduate What should I do with my life? ​ This may be more of a rant than anything else, but I need to let my thoughts out. I figured this would an outlet where some people might be able to relate and may even realize they're not alone in this position. I hope I'm not. I am currently a postdoc in South Korea. I am a Korean/American dual citizen. Undergrad (Chemistry) in the states, Master's (Pharmacology) and Ph.D. (Chemistry/Chemical biology) in Korea. My research was in anti-cancer and Alzheimer's disease. My experience with graduate school in Korea has not been great. Lack of any real guidance and unfair treatment from the professors. I was subject to significantly high levels of stress during my master's and first 3 years of PhD. I worked hard. For those first two years of my Ph.D., I worked around 14 hours a day, Monday to Sunday, without taking a day off. This was mainly because I was forced to. I badly wanted to leave this lab for these reasons, and many others, but things were complicated due to my military duties. Looking back I should've just enlisted and done my two years. Long story short. Now, I am a postdoc with glaucoma and 2 research articles as a first co-author (my advisor likes to mess with me by adding on additional authors as co-first authors to undermine my work). 3 review articles Numerous research articles as co-authors, many of which I was responsible for basically rewriting, reorganizing, or completely writing myself for publications. ​ I feel exhausted and lost about my future. This postdoc position is keeping me afloat, but I feel the need to get out of this lab asap. I have been applying for research positions in the US without landing an interview. I had one interview last week with a biotech startup, which I don't think went too well. I may be just feeling burnt out, but I am so sick of everything. I'm at a loss here and feel like I need to do some soul searching. Thanks for listening to my jumbled rant.",
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"content": "I feel your pain, my buddy. Postdocing is the worst form of being a scientist. You're basically propping up the project for those graduate students. Once your seed project starts working, your PI add more graduates in terms of helping you, but in fact, it's an incentive to recruit more graduates into the lab. If the project doesn't work, you're in line to get fired any time soon. Postdocs are hanging by the contract. You should definitely leave the postdoc career. It's always the case. You'd often hear a similar situation across the world, in Spain, UK, US anywhere. The same shit, abusive PIs, churning out the papers hoping to get funded, while squeezing the postdocs. They won't get fired. They have tenure. Get out of academic lab asap. They are toxic.",
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Lost Recent Ph.D. Graduate What should I do with my life? ​ This may be more of a rant than anything else, but I need to let my thoughts out. I figured this would an outlet where some people might be able to relate and may even realize they're not alone in this position. I hope I'm not. I am currently a postdoc in South Korea. I am a Korean/American dual citizen. Undergrad (Chemistry) in the states, Master's (Pharmacology) and Ph.D. (Chemistry/Chemical biology) in Korea. My research was in anti-cancer and Alzheimer's disease. My experience with graduate school in Korea has not been great. Lack of any real guidance and unfair treatment from the professors. I was subject to significantly high levels of stress during my master's and first 3 years of PhD. I worked hard. For those first two years of my Ph.D., I worked around 14 hours a day, Monday to Sunday, without taking a day off. This was mainly because I was forced to. I badly wanted to leave this lab for these reasons, and many others, but things were complicated due to my military duties. Looking back I should've just enlisted and done my two years. Long story short. Now, I am a postdoc with glaucoma and 2 research articles as a first co-author (my advisor likes to mess with me by adding on additional authors as co-first authors to undermine my work). 3 review articles Numerous research articles as co-authors, many of which I was responsible for basically rewriting, reorganizing, or completely writing myself for publications. ​ I feel exhausted and lost about my future. This postdoc position is keeping me afloat, but I feel the need to get out of this lab asap. I have been applying for research positions in the US without landing an interview. I had one interview last week with a biotech startup, which I don't think went too well. I may be just feeling burnt out, but I am so sick of everything. I'm at a loss here and feel like I need to do some soul searching. Thanks for listening to my jumbled rant. | c0be5f2639ff4d5f057f2eafc20e12e4b2386ab262fbd3234b09d8e0e1b39681 | [
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"content": "I feel your pain, my buddy. Postdocing is the worst form of being a scientist. You're basically propping up the project for those graduate students. Once your seed project starts working, your PI add more graduates in terms of helping you, but in fact, it's an incentive to recruit more graduates into the lab. If the project doesn't work, you're in line to get fired any time soon. Postdocs are hanging by the contract. You should definitely leave the postdoc career. It's always the case. You'd often hear a similar situation across the world, in Spain, UK, US anywhere. The same shit, abusive PIs, churning out the papers hoping to get funded, while squeezing the postdocs. They won't get fired. They have tenure. Get out of academic lab asap. They are toxic.",
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"content": "Lost Recent Ph.D. Graduate What should I do with my life? ​ This may be more of a rant than anything else, but I need to let my thoughts out. I figured this would an outlet where some people might be able to relate and may even realize they're not alone in this position. I hope I'm not. I am currently a postdoc in South Korea. I am a Korean/American dual citizen. Undergrad (Chemistry) in the states, Master's (Pharmacology) and Ph.D. (Chemistry/Chemical biology) in Korea. My research was in anti-cancer and Alzheimer's disease. My experience with graduate school in Korea has not been great. Lack of any real guidance and unfair treatment from the professors. I was subject to significantly high levels of stress during my master's and first 3 years of PhD. I worked hard. For those first two years of my Ph.D., I worked around 14 hours a day, Monday to Sunday, without taking a day off. This was mainly because I was forced to. I badly wanted to leave this lab for these reasons, and many others, but things were complicated due to my military duties. Looking back I should've just enlisted and done my two years. Long story short. Now, I am a postdoc with glaucoma and 2 research articles as a first co-author (my advisor likes to mess with me by adding on additional authors as co-first authors to undermine my work). 3 review articles Numerous research articles as co-authors, many of which I was responsible for basically rewriting, reorganizing, or completely writing myself for publications. ​ I feel exhausted and lost about my future. This postdoc position is keeping me afloat, but I feel the need to get out of this lab asap. I have been applying for research positions in the US without landing an interview. I had one interview last week with a biotech startup, which I don't think went too well. I may be just feeling burnt out, but I am so sick of everything. I'm at a loss here and feel like I need to do some soul searching. Thanks for listening to my jumbled rant.",
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"content": "Keep applying to industry...it sounds like a combination of burnout, and that academia isn't for you. I am going through the same thing, and am on my way out. Keep your chin up, and don't give up - you have the skills to find a great position. Also, check out https://cheekyscientist.com/",
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"content": "Lost Recent Ph.D. Graduate What should I do with my life? ​ This may be more of a rant than anything else, but I need to let my thoughts out. I figured this would an outlet where some people might be able to relate and may even realize they're not alone in this position. I hope I'm not. I am currently a postdoc in South Korea. I am a Korean/American dual citizen. Undergrad (Chemistry) in the states, Master's (Pharmacology) and Ph.D. (Chemistry/Chemical biology) in Korea. My research was in anti-cancer and Alzheimer's disease. My experience with graduate school in Korea has not been great. Lack of any real guidance and unfair treatment from the professors. I was subject to significantly high levels of stress during my master's and first 3 years of PhD. I worked hard. For those first two years of my Ph.D., I worked around 14 hours a day, Monday to Sunday, without taking a day off. This was mainly because I was forced to. I badly wanted to leave this lab for these reasons, and many others, but things were complicated due to my military duties. Looking back I should've just enlisted and done my two years. Long story short. Now, I am a postdoc with glaucoma and 2 research articles as a first co-author (my advisor likes to mess with me by adding on additional authors as co-first authors to undermine my work). 3 review articles Numerous research articles as co-authors, many of which I was responsible for basically rewriting, reorganizing, or completely writing myself for publications. ​ I feel exhausted and lost about my future. This postdoc position is keeping me afloat, but I feel the need to get out of this lab asap. I have been applying for research positions in the US without landing an interview. I had one interview last week with a biotech startup, which I don't think went too well. I may be just feeling burnt out, but I am so sick of everything. I'm at a loss here and feel like I need to do some soul searching. Thanks for listening to my jumbled rant.",
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"content": "I feel your pain, my buddy. Postdocing is the worst form of being a scientist. You're basically propping up the project for those graduate students. Once your seed project starts working, your PI add more graduates in terms of helping you, but in fact, it's an incentive to recruit more graduates into the lab. If the project doesn't work, you're in line to get fired any time soon. Postdocs are hanging by the contract. You should definitely leave the postdoc career. It's always the case. You'd often hear a similar situation across the world, in Spain, UK, US anywhere. The same shit, abusive PIs, churning out the papers hoping to get funded, while squeezing the postdocs. They won't get fired. They have tenure. Get out of academic lab asap. They are toxic.",
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"content": "I feel your pain, my buddy. Postdocing is the worst form of being a scientist. You're basically propping up the project for those graduate students. Once your seed project starts working, your PI add more graduates in terms of helping you, but in fact, it's an incentive to recruit more graduates into the lab. If the project doesn't work, you're in line to get fired any time soon. Postdocs are hanging by the contract. You should definitely leave the postdoc career. It's always the case. You'd often hear a similar situation across the world, in Spain, UK, US anywhere. The same shit, abusive PIs, churning out the papers hoping to get funded, while squeezing the postdocs. They won't get fired. They have tenure. Get out of academic lab asap. They are toxic.",
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"content": "Lost Recent Ph.D. Graduate What should I do with my life? ​ This may be more of a rant than anything else, but I need to let my thoughts out. I figured this would an outlet where some people might be able to relate and may even realize they're not alone in this position. I hope I'm not. I am currently a postdoc in South Korea. I am a Korean/American dual citizen. Undergrad (Chemistry) in the states, Master's (Pharmacology) and Ph.D. (Chemistry/Chemical biology) in Korea. My research was in anti-cancer and Alzheimer's disease. My experience with graduate school in Korea has not been great. Lack of any real guidance and unfair treatment from the professors. I was subject to significantly high levels of stress during my master's and first 3 years of PhD. I worked hard. For those first two years of my Ph.D., I worked around 14 hours a day, Monday to Sunday, without taking a day off. This was mainly because I was forced to. I badly wanted to leave this lab for these reasons, and many others, but things were complicated due to my military duties. Looking back I should've just enlisted and done my two years. Long story short. Now, I am a postdoc with glaucoma and 2 research articles as a first co-author (my advisor likes to mess with me by adding on additional authors as co-first authors to undermine my work). 3 review articles Numerous research articles as co-authors, many of which I was responsible for basically rewriting, reorganizing, or completely writing myself for publications. ​ I feel exhausted and lost about my future. This postdoc position is keeping me afloat, but I feel the need to get out of this lab asap. I have been applying for research positions in the US without landing an interview. I had one interview last week with a biotech startup, which I don't think went too well. I may be just feeling burnt out, but I am so sick of everything. I'm at a loss here and feel like I need to do some soul searching. Thanks for listening to my jumbled rant.",
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"content": "Don't worry much. You should travel and meditate a while. I am sure you will feel better and open new avenues. Else go into a production facility job away from Research for some weeks and you will be better. Best wishes and good luck.",
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"content": "Lost Recent Ph.D. Graduate What should I do with my life? ​ This may be more of a rant than anything else, but I need to let my thoughts out. I figured this would an outlet where some people might be able to relate and may even realize they're not alone in this position. I hope I'm not. I am currently a postdoc in South Korea. I am a Korean/American dual citizen. Undergrad (Chemistry) in the states, Master's (Pharmacology) and Ph.D. (Chemistry/Chemical biology) in Korea. My research was in anti-cancer and Alzheimer's disease. My experience with graduate school in Korea has not been great. Lack of any real guidance and unfair treatment from the professors. I was subject to significantly high levels of stress during my master's and first 3 years of PhD. I worked hard. For those first two years of my Ph.D., I worked around 14 hours a day, Monday to Sunday, without taking a day off. This was mainly because I was forced to. I badly wanted to leave this lab for these reasons, and many others, but things were complicated due to my military duties. Looking back I should've just enlisted and done my two years. Long story short. Now, I am a postdoc with glaucoma and 2 research articles as a first co-author (my advisor likes to mess with me by adding on additional authors as co-first authors to undermine my work). 3 review articles Numerous research articles as co-authors, many of which I was responsible for basically rewriting, reorganizing, or completely writing myself for publications. ​ I feel exhausted and lost about my future. This postdoc position is keeping me afloat, but I feel the need to get out of this lab asap. I have been applying for research positions in the US without landing an interview. I had one interview last week with a biotech startup, which I don't think went too well. I may be just feeling burnt out, but I am so sick of everything. I'm at a loss here and feel like I need to do some soul searching. Thanks for listening to my jumbled rant.",
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"content": "I feel your pain, my buddy. Postdocing is the worst form of being a scientist. You're basically propping up the project for those graduate students. Once your seed project starts working, your PI add more graduates in terms of helping you, but in fact, it's an incentive to recruit more graduates into the lab. If the project doesn't work, you're in line to get fired any time soon. Postdocs are hanging by the contract. You should definitely leave the postdoc career. It's always the case. You'd often hear a similar situation across the world, in Spain, UK, US anywhere. The same shit, abusive PIs, churning out the papers hoping to get funded, while squeezing the postdocs. They won't get fired. They have tenure. Get out of academic lab asap. They are toxic.",
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Lost Recent Ph.D. Graduate What should I do with my life? ​ This may be more of a rant than anything else, but I need to let my thoughts out. I figured this would an outlet where some people might be able to relate and may even realize they're not alone in this position. I hope I'm not. I am currently a postdoc in South Korea. I am a Korean/American dual citizen. Undergrad (Chemistry) in the states, Master's (Pharmacology) and Ph.D. (Chemistry/Chemical biology) in Korea. My research was in anti-cancer and Alzheimer's disease. My experience with graduate school in Korea has not been great. Lack of any real guidance and unfair treatment from the professors. I was subject to significantly high levels of stress during my master's and first 3 years of PhD. I worked hard. For those first two years of my Ph.D., I worked around 14 hours a day, Monday to Sunday, without taking a day off. This was mainly because I was forced to. I badly wanted to leave this lab for these reasons, and many others, but things were complicated due to my military duties. Looking back I should've just enlisted and done my two years. Long story short. Now, I am a postdoc with glaucoma and 2 research articles as a first co-author (my advisor likes to mess with me by adding on additional authors as co-first authors to undermine my work). 3 review articles Numerous research articles as co-authors, many of which I was responsible for basically rewriting, reorganizing, or completely writing myself for publications. ​ I feel exhausted and lost about my future. This postdoc position is keeping me afloat, but I feel the need to get out of this lab asap. I have been applying for research positions in the US without landing an interview. I had one interview last week with a biotech startup, which I don't think went too well. I may be just feeling burnt out, but I am so sick of everything. I'm at a loss here and feel like I need to do some soul searching. Thanks for listening to my jumbled rant. | c0be5f2639ff4d5f057f2eafc20e12e4b2386ab262fbd3234b09d8e0e1b39681 | [
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"content": "I feel your pain, my buddy. Postdocing is the worst form of being a scientist. You're basically propping up the project for those graduate students. Once your seed project starts working, your PI add more graduates in terms of helping you, but in fact, it's an incentive to recruit more graduates into the lab. If the project doesn't work, you're in line to get fired any time soon. Postdocs are hanging by the contract. You should definitely leave the postdoc career. It's always the case. You'd often hear a similar situation across the world, in Spain, UK, US anywhere. The same shit, abusive PIs, churning out the papers hoping to get funded, while squeezing the postdocs. They won't get fired. They have tenure. Get out of academic lab asap. They are toxic.",
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"content": "I hear you and so sorry for what you are going through. I came from South Asia and was selected for research in Quantum Computing in Canada. So don't lose hope if you had one or two bad interviews. As competition for faculty positions has grown increasingly fierce, postdoctoral training has become a requirement for securing a tenure-track position in most scientific disciplines but you do not need postdoctoral training for many jobs in science. It is also important to remember that a postdoc itself is not a career goal. It is instead a training period during which you can develop the skills, knowledge and experience needed for your ultimate career goal. You should not view the postdoc as the terminal step in your career path but as a stepping-stone, useful only if it is required. You have to consider the fact that 85 percent of all currently employed Ph.D.s in a research sample stated that a Ph.D. was required or preferred for entry into their current position. However, when asked whether postdoctoral training was required or preferred to enter their current job, ONLY 40 percent responded that a postdoc was either required or preferred. In addition to understanding whether a postdoc is required for your intended career field, you need to think carefully about how you would like to spend the next several years of your life, and about any financial commitments you may have. Do you have student loans? Are you providing financial support for your family? Are you willing to live on postdoc wages for the next three to five years rather than moving into a full-time, permanent, most likely higher-paying job? You need to consider the financial implications of entering a postdoc again in the US or somewhere else, as well as the career implications. to enhance their chances of being among the small percentage of candidates who are selected for tenure-track positions, some Ph.D.s take on a postdoc to increase their number of first-author papers. Some seek to apply for transitional grants, while others apply for training positions to learn new techniques, to gain teaching experience or even to change their research focus completely. They may use a second postdoc to retrain in an area that will make them more competitive for jobs. Most of these decisions were predicated on the knowledge that the academic job market is now more competitive than ever. Now that you are currently employed as a postdoc and interested in a field that does not require additional training, do not despair. Chances are you have been amassing additional skills and training through your postdoc work that are valuable to almost all employers, including the ability to work independently. Still, the more you speak with Ph.D.s in different professions, the more you will learn about what types of experiences are most meaningful and would make you most attractive for positions in that area. Coming from an extensive research background I am working as a full-time Engineer in a famous manufacturing company now. You have to decide which path you want to follow now in the future and which one is more realistic for you without making you miserable. Academic or corporate?",
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"content": "From my experience as a prospect PhD candidate and interviewing incoming PhD candidates, generally the main thing the faculty members look for is a fit - is your research style in line with theirs ( independent or do you require constant supervision)? Are you a weirdo? General vibes. After chatting about your background and general interest, they may introduce a project to you to see whether or not you'd like it. Eventhough this can be one of many project you work on throughout the years, it should be your deciding factor (in my opinion) to join a lab or not. Your starting project will definitely set the tone of your PhD career and usually subsequent projects will be around the same concept so choose wisely!",
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"content": "Don't worry. It will be fine. Just show and ask questions about their work, prospects and qualities they are looking for. In the meanwhile do share your skills and experiences. Good luck fella.",
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What do faculty members expect when meeting with a potential graduate student? I'm an undergraduate senior currently applying to PhD programs. In my field (Theoretical Ecology), it is common (and for some schools required) to reach out to potential advisors before applying so that they can support your application and accept you into the program as a student in their lab. So lately I've been reaching out to potential advisors and doing zoom meetings with them. However, I feel a little intimidated and confused by this process of basically committing to an advisor and *then* getting in to the program/starting a PhD. For one, while I've written up a strong research proposal (for NSF GRFP) and reflected on potential research questions, I'm definitely not 100% sure of the exact project I would want to pursue in my PhD. Also, while I have a general idea of the subfield I'm interested in, I'm eager to learn more about the other subfields and understand how various subfields relate to one another before becoming specialized in a single area. So my question: what are these faculty members expecting when I reach out as a prospective student? Are they expecting me to have a clear, specific research question and be able to explain how it relates to their current projects? Or are these meetings usually more about generally discussing backgrounds/interests, getting a feel for the prospective student's curiosity and intellect, and seeing if the prospective student/potential advisor get along and communicate well. | 141c459bd572303deac229ea404dde7dd13d322aaa39e303d09d94c569967c2d | [
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"content": "I am in a different field (Psychology) but I have had different experiences depending on the PI that I was meeting with. One PI (at an Ivy League school) that I talked to asked me for specific research questions, with IVs and DVs, my hypothesis/prediction, and how it related to her research. I was not prepared for this, but was able to sort of come up with something on the spot. We also talked about general research interests, questions about the program, etc. but the research question thing was a big part of the conversation. Another PI I met with (at an R1, but not an ivy) asked me a lot about my interests, we talked about what projects she was working on and what parts of that I may be interested in, info about the lab and the school, and she flat out said she did not expect me to have concrete questions this early in the process. It seemed like she cared way more about personality and research fit than me being able to come up with questions on the spot (probably because you can teach research, but you can't teach personality connections). She is now my advisor and I feel really supported so I am glad that she focused so much on the personal fit. I think ultimately it depends on the school and the PI, but it never hurts to be prepared. Even tho this may be sort of an \"informal\" conversation before applications, this is the first impression they will have of you and will likely use it as they go into reviewing the apps and the interview process. edit: I think it probably also depends on the field. If you are admitted directly to an advisor vs. admitted to the program in general and doing some sort of rotation that may change how they approach the chats and also future interviews.",
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"content": "Don't worry. It will be fine. Just show and ask questions about their work, prospects and qualities they are looking for. In the meanwhile do share your skills and experiences. Good luck fella.",
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"content": "They want to know that your research interests are a good fit for the program. So be prepared to tell them what your thesis topic will be (even if you aren't sure or plan to change it later - just have a sketchy idea and a research topic interest). It also looks good if you have a career plan. You don't go to grad school just for the sake of it, you go for your career.",
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"content": "I am in a different field (Psychology) but I have had different experiences depending on the PI that I was meeting with. One PI (at an Ivy League school) that I talked to asked me for specific research questions, with IVs and DVs, my hypothesis/prediction, and how it related to her research. I was not prepared for this, but was able to sort of come up with something on the spot. We also talked about general research interests, questions about the program, etc. but the research question thing was a big part of the conversation. Another PI I met with (at an R1, but not an ivy) asked me a lot about my interests, we talked about what projects she was working on and what parts of that I may be interested in, info about the lab and the school, and she flat out said she did not expect me to have concrete questions this early in the process. It seemed like she cared way more about personality and research fit than me being able to come up with questions on the spot (probably because you can teach research, but you can't teach personality connections). She is now my advisor and I feel really supported so I am glad that she focused so much on the personal fit. I think ultimately it depends on the school and the PI, but it never hurts to be prepared. Even tho this may be sort of an \"informal\" conversation before applications, this is the first impression they will have of you and will likely use it as they go into reviewing the apps and the interview process. edit: I think it probably also depends on the field. If you are admitted directly to an advisor vs. admitted to the program in general and doing some sort of rotation that may change how they approach the chats and also future interviews.",
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"content": "Most of the questions are pretty standard: things like an opening to talk about your thesis/research experience (like, what is an accomplishment so far you're proud of?), why you chose that program, etc. Usually it's a plus if you come off as having actually read the prof or project's website and have one or two questions to toss their way that are specific about it.",
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What do faculty members expect when meeting with a potential graduate student? I'm an undergraduate senior currently applying to PhD programs. In my field (Theoretical Ecology), it is common (and for some schools required) to reach out to potential advisors before applying so that they can support your application and accept you into the program as a student in their lab. So lately I've been reaching out to potential advisors and doing zoom meetings with them. However, I feel a little intimidated and confused by this process of basically committing to an advisor and *then* getting in to the program/starting a PhD. For one, while I've written up a strong research proposal (for NSF GRFP) and reflected on potential research questions, I'm definitely not 100% sure of the exact project I would want to pursue in my PhD. Also, while I have a general idea of the subfield I'm interested in, I'm eager to learn more about the other subfields and understand how various subfields relate to one another before becoming specialized in a single area. So my question: what are these faculty members expecting when I reach out as a prospective student? Are they expecting me to have a clear, specific research question and be able to explain how it relates to their current projects? Or are these meetings usually more about generally discussing backgrounds/interests, getting a feel for the prospective student's curiosity and intellect, and seeing if the prospective student/potential advisor get along and communicate well. | 141c459bd572303deac229ea404dde7dd13d322aaa39e303d09d94c569967c2d | [
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"content": "Hey, so may be it is a bit different in USA, I am in the Netherlands now. Most of the phd positions are a full time,paid jobs here, which also means you are developing your proposal based on the grant which the supervisor already got. So freedom is limited. But we have external phd positions, which are a lot more open... So here we look at the scientific fit: is the potential supervisor interested, can he contribute or is it outside his expertise. We also assess a phd student as a potential collegue: is it a fit within our education lines, can the student contribute to other projects as well.",
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"content": "I'm a PI in biology. I don't generally expect too much in the way of research ideas although I have had students approach me with their own specific topics in mind. Generally, the research that I can get a PhD student to do will be limited by my current funding and I'll chat to the student about the potential projects to gauge their interest. Probably the one thing I'm looking for is motivation. I can teach the research stuff but if a student isn't motivated then it isn't going to be a great experience for me or them.",
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"content": "Most of the questions are pretty standard: things like an opening to talk about your thesis/research experience (like, what is an accomplishment so far you're proud of?), why you chose that program, etc. Usually it's a plus if you come off as having actually read the prof or project's website and have one or two questions to toss their way that are specific about it.",
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My boss wants me to start my postdoc without pay I know this pandemic is a weird time, but there's somethings that's hitting a little weird about my situation. I just graduated my PhD, and my boss has me starting a postdoc after. The problem is the HR arm of the university is stalling applications, so it's going to be about a month before my new contract begins, and a little longer before I get paid. My boss wants me to continue to do the weekly meetings, and several pop up meetings a week. All of this would be without pay until my contract begins. I've raised the possibility of an independent contractor position as a holdover, but that hasn't happened. So I'm not sure what to do. I don't want my boss to jettison my new contract because I don't want to work in the meantime without pay, but also I don't want to work a lot without pay. My lab is the type to not really be concerned about people working without compensation for short periods, and I don't want the work to pile on just because I agree to a few meetings. Does anyone have any insight about how I should handle this? Should I just bite the bullet and do the hours? | c8ad20d8a3550307bd5b12902172c605f14f7bb6ec9e79c77956a695c4f14370 | [
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"content": "I would ask him how you are supposed to pay rent and eat during that period. My university actually would not allow this if we knew about it. We would make him backdate your start date to whenever you started working. That’s what you should ask for.",
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"content": "My boss wants me to start my postdoc without pay I know this pandemic is a weird time, but there's somethings that's hitting a little weird about my situation. I just graduated my PhD, and my boss has me starting a postdoc after. The problem is the HR arm of the university is stalling applications, so it's going to be about a month before my new contract begins, and a little longer before I get paid. My boss wants me to continue to do the weekly meetings, and several pop up meetings a week. All of this would be without pay until my contract begins. I've raised the possibility of an independent contractor position as a holdover, but that hasn't happened. So I'm not sure what to do. I don't want my boss to jettison my new contract because I don't want to work in the meantime without pay, but also I don't want to work a lot without pay. My lab is the type to not really be concerned about people working without compensation for short periods, and I don't want the work to pile on just because I agree to a few meetings. Does anyone have any insight about how I should handle this? Should I just bite the bullet and do the hours?",
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"content": "I'm really not sure what I'd do in your situation because that's a really tough decision. One way of thinking about it that I heard recently and I think fits is this. In academia you aren't really thought of as a worker. Instead you are sort of an independent researcher who is in the lab because the research you want to perform lines up well with their goals and resources. So, you don't really work for them, but rather with them. The money is there so you don't starve to death. From that perspective, I'd say that if you want to complete your research and can afford a month without pay, then go for it. On the other hand, I feel like universities often exploit grad. students, and postdocs. You shouldn't need to starve yourself for the \"privilege\" of doing research at their institution. Maybe there's some sort of middle road? Like if you aren't getting paid anyways, maybe you could take the time off from the lab and focus on your research by yourself? Or, if there's department responsibilities that you'd be expected to perform, then don't do them since you aren't getting paid by the department?",
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"content": "Would there be the ability for you to get paid back in the form of extra vacation days or getting an extra paycheck at the end? I'm sure neither of these would be acceptable to HR, but I've worked out both off the books with supervisors in the past due to situations like this.",
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"content": "I can share my perspective. If they can't pay you due to reasons out of the professor's control, you have to decide if working without pay is beneficial for your career. If this one month of work accelerates a project / publication, that's a good addition to your resume. I'm assuming this will impact your future job positions, as you may be applying for assistant professor jobs in the future. That is if you have nothing better to do in these few months. Or you could just ask for an \"unpaid vacation\" lol.",
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"content": "I wouldn’t work unless I got paid. I think attending a few meetings is fine but I wouldn’t conduct any experiments without pay. You have to be selfish sometimes and this is one of those times.",
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"content": "I can share my perspective. If they can't pay you due to reasons out of the professor's control, you have to decide if working without pay is beneficial for your career. If this one month of work accelerates a project / publication, that's a good addition to your resume. I'm assuming this will impact your future job positions, as you may be applying for assistant professor jobs in the future. That is if you have nothing better to do in these few months. Or you could just ask for an \"unpaid vacation\" lol.",
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"content": "I'm really not sure what I'd do in your situation because that's a really tough decision. One way of thinking about it that I heard recently and I think fits is this. In academia you aren't really thought of as a worker. Instead you are sort of an independent researcher who is in the lab because the research you want to perform lines up well with their goals and resources. So, you don't really work for them, but rather with them. The money is there so you don't starve to death. From that perspective, I'd say that if you want to complete your research and can afford a month without pay, then go for it. On the other hand, I feel like universities often exploit grad. students, and postdocs. You shouldn't need to starve yourself for the \"privilege\" of doing research at their institution. Maybe there's some sort of middle road? Like if you aren't getting paid anyways, maybe you could take the time off from the lab and focus on your research by yourself? Or, if there's department responsibilities that you'd be expected to perform, then don't do them since you aren't getting paid by the department?",
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My boss wants me to start my postdoc without pay I know this pandemic is a weird time, but there's somethings that's hitting a little weird about my situation. I just graduated my PhD, and my boss has me starting a postdoc after. The problem is the HR arm of the university is stalling applications, so it's going to be about a month before my new contract begins, and a little longer before I get paid. My boss wants me to continue to do the weekly meetings, and several pop up meetings a week. All of this would be without pay until my contract begins. I've raised the possibility of an independent contractor position as a holdover, but that hasn't happened. So I'm not sure what to do. I don't want my boss to jettison my new contract because I don't want to work in the meantime without pay, but also I don't want to work a lot without pay. My lab is the type to not really be concerned about people working without compensation for short periods, and I don't want the work to pile on just because I agree to a few meetings. Does anyone have any insight about how I should handle this? Should I just bite the bullet and do the hours? | c8ad20d8a3550307bd5b12902172c605f14f7bb6ec9e79c77956a695c4f14370 | [
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"content": "Would there be the ability for you to get paid back in the form of extra vacation days or getting an extra paycheck at the end? I'm sure neither of these would be acceptable to HR, but I've worked out both off the books with supervisors in the past due to situations like this.",
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"content": "See if it's possible to start now and defer payment for a month, assuming you can make it work financially. If not, I'd get a part-time job at Home Depot, or really anywhere, and tell your boss you're limited by financial considerations.",
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"content": "I'm really not sure what I'd do in your situation because that's a really tough decision. One way of thinking about it that I heard recently and I think fits is this. In academia you aren't really thought of as a worker. Instead you are sort of an independent researcher who is in the lab because the research you want to perform lines up well with their goals and resources. So, you don't really work for them, but rather with them. The money is there so you don't starve to death. From that perspective, I'd say that if you want to complete your research and can afford a month without pay, then go for it. On the other hand, I feel like universities often exploit grad. students, and postdocs. You shouldn't need to starve yourself for the \"privilege\" of doing research at their institution. Maybe there's some sort of middle road? Like if you aren't getting paid anyways, maybe you could take the time off from the lab and focus on your research by yourself? Or, if there's department responsibilities that you'd be expected to perform, then don't do them since you aren't getting paid by the department?",
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"content": "Would there be the ability for you to get paid back in the form of extra vacation days or getting an extra paycheck at the end? I'm sure neither of these would be acceptable to HR, but I've worked out both off the books with supervisors in the past due to situations like this.",
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"content": "See if it's possible to start now and defer payment for a month, assuming you can make it work financially. If not, I'd get a part-time job at Home Depot, or really anywhere, and tell your boss you're limited by financial considerations.",
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"content": "If I was in this situation I'd bite the bullet. I know many here will talk about knowing your worth and standing up for yourself.. but I'd rather not push back research/responsibilities for a month over what I'm sure is a not so great paycheck. I'd also contact HR to see if they could get past whatever stall was in place. I'd probably drive for uber/door dash to try and pay the rent that month. Sounds like a bad situation, hope you find your best way around it.",
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"content": "To me this just sounds like they want you to attend meetings so you’re in the loop and are up to date with what the labs are doing. I think that’s totally fine. If they ask you to do real work however you need to make sure it’s in writing and you will be compensated for it",
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"content": "I had this happen to me, not for a postdoc position but for a research assistant position. I managed to come to a compromise with my prof that I would work at my own time since I was not being paid (i.e. no deadlines for tasks given). During which time, I will attend whatever meetings that suits my convenience and not my prof's. I also had the condition that as much as possible, I work off campus (being on campus means you can be summoned anytime to do odd tasks). It is not clear from your post, but it does seem that you are working under the same professor as your PhD. I think prior working dynamics when you were a PhD candidate would also play a part in how this discussion with your boss goes. But I agree with what many have already stated, maybe negotiate for extra off days once your contract does eventually come into full effect to compensate for the hours you are going to put in prior to being paid. Never work for free. Compensation and my convenience is the most I'll budge on this matter.",
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"content": "Your new contract (which you already signed right?) begins in 4 weeks, and you're being asked to sit on some (Zoom?) meetings in the meantime, I imagine to get acquainted with whatever, right? You don't mention any active work happening or being expected. I don't think this is unreasonable...",
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"content": "To me this just sounds like they want you to attend meetings so you’re in the loop and are up to date with what the labs are doing. I think that’s totally fine. If they ask you to do real work however you need to make sure it’s in writing and you will be compensated for it",
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My boss wants me to start my postdoc without pay I know this pandemic is a weird time, but there's somethings that's hitting a little weird about my situation. I just graduated my PhD, and my boss has me starting a postdoc after. The problem is the HR arm of the university is stalling applications, so it's going to be about a month before my new contract begins, and a little longer before I get paid. My boss wants me to continue to do the weekly meetings, and several pop up meetings a week. All of this would be without pay until my contract begins. I've raised the possibility of an independent contractor position as a holdover, but that hasn't happened. So I'm not sure what to do. I don't want my boss to jettison my new contract because I don't want to work in the meantime without pay, but also I don't want to work a lot without pay. My lab is the type to not really be concerned about people working without compensation for short periods, and I don't want the work to pile on just because I agree to a few meetings. Does anyone have any insight about how I should handle this? Should I just bite the bullet and do the hours? | c8ad20d8a3550307bd5b12902172c605f14f7bb6ec9e79c77956a695c4f14370 | [
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"content": "If I was in this situation I'd bite the bullet. I know many here will talk about knowing your worth and standing up for yourself.. but I'd rather not push back research/responsibilities for a month over what I'm sure is a not so great paycheck. I'd also contact HR to see if they could get past whatever stall was in place. I'd probably drive for uber/door dash to try and pay the rent that month. Sounds like a bad situation, hope you find your best way around it.",
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My boss wants me to start my postdoc without pay I know this pandemic is a weird time, but there's somethings that's hitting a little weird about my situation. I just graduated my PhD, and my boss has me starting a postdoc after. The problem is the HR arm of the university is stalling applications, so it's going to be about a month before my new contract begins, and a little longer before I get paid. My boss wants me to continue to do the weekly meetings, and several pop up meetings a week. All of this would be without pay until my contract begins. I've raised the possibility of an independent contractor position as a holdover, but that hasn't happened. So I'm not sure what to do. I don't want my boss to jettison my new contract because I don't want to work in the meantime without pay, but also I don't want to work a lot without pay. My lab is the type to not really be concerned about people working without compensation for short periods, and I don't want the work to pile on just because I agree to a few meetings. Does anyone have any insight about how I should handle this? Should I just bite the bullet and do the hours? | c8ad20d8a3550307bd5b12902172c605f14f7bb6ec9e79c77956a695c4f14370 | [
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"content": "First, find out if the salary would be retroactive? Second, If you need some unpaid vacations, this may be a good time to take them. There is nothing wrong with that. I think is all a matter of perspective. While in academia we do work for money, we do many extra things that don’t get paid because we either know that this will help us in the future or we have a sense of passion. However, you are the one who needs to decide that and not your advisor. You have to make these decisions. Put things in a balance. You could denied the request to meet weekly being smart : I’m sorry, I would love to meet but I need to get a job while the university hires me (until you are not hired, you won’t know if you will be hired for sure) or I’m sorry, I would love to meet but I’m burned and I need some weeks off. While the university hires me, i will used this time to rest. Also, see if there are jobs you would love to apply besides that one.",
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"content": "two thoughts i haven't seen other people bring up: 1. Same boss as PhD? How is your relationship with them? By the time I finished my PhD I was pretty comfortable with understanding my advisor and the finances around the lab, so I'd be ok asking him / being up front with my concerns. If you're not close to this PI, why are you sticking around for a postdoc? 2. Are you an experimentalist (in lab)? Running experiments might be against school policy or illegal b/c you won't have insurance. That said, I've seen it done twice. Both of those guys are fine now... I kind of disagree that academia (undergrad-grad) is a job; postdocs are getting more joblike... my opinion.",
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"content": "If you are not under contract you may not be insured to work. This could lead to major implications if you have an accident during this time.",
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"content": "See if it's possible to start now and defer payment for a month, assuming you can make it work financially. If not, I'd get a part-time job at Home Depot, or really anywhere, and tell your boss you're limited by financial considerations.",
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"content": "First, find out if the salary would be retroactive? Second, If you need some unpaid vacations, this may be a good time to take them. There is nothing wrong with that. I think is all a matter of perspective. While in academia we do work for money, we do many extra things that don’t get paid because we either know that this will help us in the future or we have a sense of passion. However, you are the one who needs to decide that and not your advisor. You have to make these decisions. Put things in a balance. You could denied the request to meet weekly being smart : I’m sorry, I would love to meet but I need to get a job while the university hires me (until you are not hired, you won’t know if you will be hired for sure) or I’m sorry, I would love to meet but I’m burned and I need some weeks off. While the university hires me, i will used this time to rest. Also, see if there are jobs you would love to apply besides that one.",
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"content": "See if it's possible to start now and defer payment for a month, assuming you can make it work financially. If not, I'd get a part-time job at Home Depot, or really anywhere, and tell your boss you're limited by financial considerations.",
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"content": "two thoughts i haven't seen other people bring up: 1. Same boss as PhD? How is your relationship with them? By the time I finished my PhD I was pretty comfortable with understanding my advisor and the finances around the lab, so I'd be ok asking him / being up front with my concerns. If you're not close to this PI, why are you sticking around for a postdoc? 2. Are you an experimentalist (in lab)? Running experiments might be against school policy or illegal b/c you won't have insurance. That said, I've seen it done twice. Both of those guys are fine now... I kind of disagree that academia (undergrad-grad) is a job; postdocs are getting more joblike... my opinion.",
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"content": "See if it's possible to start now and defer payment for a month, assuming you can make it work financially. If not, I'd get a part-time job at Home Depot, or really anywhere, and tell your boss you're limited by financial considerations.",
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"content": "two thoughts i haven't seen other people bring up: 1. Same boss as PhD? How is your relationship with them? By the time I finished my PhD I was pretty comfortable with understanding my advisor and the finances around the lab, so I'd be ok asking him / being up front with my concerns. If you're not close to this PI, why are you sticking around for a postdoc? 2. Are you an experimentalist (in lab)? Running experiments might be against school policy or illegal b/c you won't have insurance. That said, I've seen it done twice. Both of those guys are fine now... I kind of disagree that academia (undergrad-grad) is a job; postdocs are getting more joblike... my opinion.",
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"content": "If you are not under contract you may not be insured to work. This could lead to major implications if you have an accident during this time.",
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"content": "This is extremely common at my university. For example, a lot of our my RAs contracts ended in March but they are still working without a revised contract. When their new one starts, they will get paid for all the hours in between that they've worked. I wholeheartedly disagree with this process but it's so comon here that most students get scoffed at when they challenge it (even in the politest of ways). If you know of any senior postdocs or other students, it might be worth it to ask if this is common or not. I also agree with the other commentors and tell your boss that you need to be paid for living expenses",
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"content": "See if it's possible to start now and defer payment for a month, assuming you can make it work financially. If not, I'd get a part-time job at Home Depot, or really anywhere, and tell your boss you're limited by financial considerations.",
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"content": "If I was in this situation I'd bite the bullet. I know many here will talk about knowing your worth and standing up for yourself.. but I'd rather not push back research/responsibilities for a month over what I'm sure is a not so great paycheck. I'd also contact HR to see if they could get past whatever stall was in place. I'd probably drive for uber/door dash to try and pay the rent that month. Sounds like a bad situation, hope you find your best way around it.",
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"content": "If I was in this situation I'd bite the bullet. I know many here will talk about knowing your worth and standing up for yourself.. but I'd rather not push back research/responsibilities for a month over what I'm sure is a not so great paycheck. I'd also contact HR to see if they could get past whatever stall was in place. I'd probably drive for uber/door dash to try and pay the rent that month. Sounds like a bad situation, hope you find your best way around it.",
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"content": "First, find out if the salary would be retroactive? Second, If you need some unpaid vacations, this may be a good time to take them. There is nothing wrong with that. I think is all a matter of perspective. While in academia we do work for money, we do many extra things that don’t get paid because we either know that this will help us in the future or we have a sense of passion. However, you are the one who needs to decide that and not your advisor. You have to make these decisions. Put things in a balance. You could denied the request to meet weekly being smart : I’m sorry, I would love to meet but I need to get a job while the university hires me (until you are not hired, you won’t know if you will be hired for sure) or I’m sorry, I would love to meet but I’m burned and I need some weeks off. While the university hires me, i will used this time to rest. Also, see if there are jobs you would love to apply besides that one.",
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"content": "This is extremely common at my university. For example, a lot of our my RAs contracts ended in March but they are still working without a revised contract. When their new one starts, they will get paid for all the hours in between that they've worked. I wholeheartedly disagree with this process but it's so comon here that most students get scoffed at when they challenge it (even in the politest of ways). If you know of any senior postdocs or other students, it might be worth it to ask if this is common or not. I also agree with the other commentors and tell your boss that you need to be paid for living expenses",
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"content": "As a post doc at UC Berkeley, I really don’t know. I think this is short term thinking, with each passing year they are having harder and harder time getting talented individuals to join. There are a LOT of Post docs from third world countries, who come, stay 2 years and leave for industry with Berkeley on the CV. PhD students are mastering out, RAs are leaving quickly to other places, etc. I heard my PIs about post docs staying 5-9 years, but nowadays almost everyone is leaving after 2-3 years, the only people staying are the one half-assing it and working 25 hours a week.",
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"content": "I walked away from a masters because the stipend was 15k and then the university mandated that 3,000 of it go to health insurance. There was no way I can live comfortably enough on 12k and be able to focus on a masters. I'm currently employed and make 43k a year with free health insurance covered by my employer. I may consider using the companies tuition assistance to complete a masters later. But its unlikely I will ever be a traditional masters student with the poverty stipend they are offering. University's are just as exploitive as retail/restaurant jobs when it comes to student workers.",
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"content": "As a post doc at UC Berkeley, I really don’t know. I think this is short term thinking, with each passing year they are having harder and harder time getting talented individuals to join. There are a LOT of Post docs from third world countries, who come, stay 2 years and leave for industry with Berkeley on the CV. PhD students are mastering out, RAs are leaving quickly to other places, etc. I heard my PIs about post docs staying 5-9 years, but nowadays almost everyone is leaving after 2-3 years, the only people staying are the one half-assing it and working 25 hours a week.",
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"content": "As a post doc at UC Berkeley, I really don’t know. I think this is short term thinking, with each passing year they are having harder and harder time getting talented individuals to join. There are a LOT of Post docs from third world countries, who come, stay 2 years and leave for industry with Berkeley on the CV. PhD students are mastering out, RAs are leaving quickly to other places, etc. I heard my PIs about post docs staying 5-9 years, but nowadays almost everyone is leaving after 2-3 years, the only people staying are the one half-assing it and working 25 hours a week.",
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"content": "Diane Feinstein’s husband and his construction companies 🤷♂️",
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"content": ">Undergrads: pay tuition and dont get taught That's a weird thing to say, in what sense are UC undergrads not getting taught?",
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