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**Erik St. Martin:** I love Rocks! |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I know. It's so fast! That might be the biggest differentiator with NSQ, because NSQ doesn't have any durability, if I remember right. |
**Travis Jeffery:** Another thing about NSQ, we used at NSQ at Segment IO, and one the things that bit us is ordering; NSQ doesn't have any ordering guarantees, whereas Kafka does. That kind of bit us at Segment IO when we were doing a bench traffic, where for instance let's say you have events and they have a session,... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, it makes good sense. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Now I'm wondering whether it's good or bad... \[laughter\] Kyle in the GoTimeFM channel just said if we're gonna talk about NSQ, he's got a lot to say. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, we could have a whole show on NSQ. I love me some NSQ. I'll have to check out Cherami; that looks like it might be interesting, but we need to find out when they're gonna get some docs up. |
I found another interesting project called Ponzu, and this is something that I've been threatening to write myself forever but never really got around to needing it badly enough to do it. It's a CMS (I think WordPress) but with only an API. It's built for fat clients that need to access content, and they just do it ove... |
I've had several occasions where I've needed something similar to that, and I'm excited that somebody wrote it. It looks interesting. That's at Ponzu-cms/ponzu on GitHub. It looks exciting. |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[23:57\] I love the logo. One of the coolest things is not just the software people create, but the logos. \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Since this is radio, this is a gopher with a sushi plate in his hand, and a Japanese headband. Pretty impressive. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Nice. So I've got another one too that I thought was really cool, and I meant to play with this over the weekend and never got around to it... Ebiten - it's basically like a 2D game library, and building like old school games. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Like 8-bit kind of thing? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah. I'll drop it in the channel. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That sounds kind of fun. |
**Erik St. Martin:** With all my free time... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Right. One day... |
**Erik St. Martin:** It's one of those things - kind of like Travis was saying with the getting started, right? Most of us, if we started as a teenager, there were two things you wanted to do: you wanted to be a hacker and you wanted to make video games. That was most of us... So there's still a part of me who's like, ... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** One day... |
**Travis Jeffery:** I don't know if I've ever actually said this in public, but Boris from GoldenEye was very influential when I was young. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Nice! |
**Travis Jeffery:** I'm invincible, you know... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yup, that's awesome! |
**Erik St. Martin:** Alright, so a bigger topic - did anybody see Russ Cox's Go Resolutions for 2017? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, and you know what that smells like to me? I read the whole thing, and I walked away with one phrase at the end of that - Go 2.0. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I don't know whether it's 2.0. Do you think...? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I think so. There's some stuff in there... If you read through it well enough, there's some things in there that are breaking changes, and I think there's a Go 2 in our future somewhere. Call me crazy... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think the package management probably wouldn't need that. There's some of those things that could be thrown in, like the automatic vetting, and even the error stuff, it wouldn't have to be a core stuff; that could probably be augmented with standard library stuff. And I liked some of the stuff wh... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Well, did you read between the lines in the errors and best practices part, where it almost sounded exactly to me like they were getting more serious about adopting Dave Cheney's package errors, and that would make me just ecstatic, because that is so awesome. |
**Travis Jeffery:** Oh, man... That's awesome. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** We need to start a -- what's that thing on whitehouse.gov where you can create a petition? We need to do that. \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** Carlisia, did you get a chance to look through any of that this week? Or I guess it was only a couple days ago, yesterday. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** No... I saw the post on Twitter but I didn't read through it. I'll read through it later today. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I love that he drops the generic \[unintelligible 00:27:08.04\] "It's the last one." |
**Travis Jeffery:** Yeah, it's funny that that's the last thing. If anything warrants a Go 2.0, that's gonna be it probably, right? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Mic drop. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I like the fact that long form he sat down and put out all his ideas. Maybe some of them are lofty and are harder to slide into the Go 1 promise, but at least to have somebody who's steering the direction of the language to sit down and write that, "Yes, these things aren't being ignored. They're k... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[28:00\] Yeah, package management, it just causes me bitterness. Every time I think I have one of the tools understood, I get bitten and it just makes me cranky. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I'm in the same boat... It's like, "Alright, I've kind of accepted where this is", and then I'm like, "Why are they not syncing? Why are my packages not up to date? Why can't I just go update these packages? I thought this worked!" |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yup, making me a little bit crazy, not gonna lie. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I'm compiling against Kubernetes - why can't there be a single command to get me the newest Kubernetes libraries so that I can rebuild? I haven't tried Glide though, I will say that. I don't know what people's experiences are with Glide, but that is one that I have not tried yet. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Glide's the one I'm using right now and that's the one that makes me wanna throw things. And maybe it's because I've been using all the others and I've never used Glide until now, but none of them make me happy. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Quick show of hands, I wanna know -- |
**Brian Ketelsen:** This is radio still, remember... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I'm curious, just a mini poll here... What is the Go vendoring tool that each person here uses the most, probably? Because I know that depending on the project we're forced to use others, but... |
**Travis Jeffery:** I'm currently using Go Vendor... |
**Erik St. Martin:** That's what I'm using, as well... And that's mostly because that's what the team had chosen before I was ever there. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, that's my favorite, too. |
**Erik St. Martin:** How about you, Carlisia? What are you guys using for vendoring? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I think it's Go vendor that we are using at Fastly. I mean, at least for my project. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Look at that... Four out of four. That's not bad... I was expecting much different results. |
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