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**Brian Ketelsen:** We got consensus right away. It's a little Kafka joke, sorry... |
**Travis Jeffery:** Yeah, a little Raft in there? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Oh, sorry, it's godeps. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, godeps... You're old school! |
**Travis Jeffery:** That's what I used before Go Vendor. Honestly, I don't feel like I really... I don't know -- what did I even really get about switching to Go Vendor? I don't know... It did the job. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah... I mean, I used godeps early on, so I don't know what features are there now, but one of the things I like about Go Vendor is some of the little tags that you can use, like "Tell me which things are missing", "Tell me which things are in my normal GOPATH but not in my vendor directory" by ju... |
Somebody in the channel also mentioned one of Brian's favorite people in the world, the Go versus Rust debate with ESR. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, don't get me started me started on ESR. So I've read his blog post, first of all, and it was actually a very well thought out blog post, but I still can't stand the man. Do we have to have this discussion? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** What are you talking about? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** So ESR - Erik S. Raymond is a -- what's the word? A relatively venerated person in the Linux world. He's a long-time kernel maintainer and he's just been around Linux a long time. He considers himself to be a role model for programmers. I consider him to be somebody who needs to go away. Most recent... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** That doesn't even make sense. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[31:53\] It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they may or may not have been sexual assault. It infuriated me, it really infuriated me. The Go article was pretty well written; he did a good job of elucidating the pluses and minuses of Go versus Rust for their use case, and it was factu... |
**Erik St. Martin:** It was actually interesting to see him argue with some Rust people back and forth in the comments. So the takeaway really from that was - we kind of digressed there a bit on some of the other posts that were your typical Hacker News posts... But this particular article, the thing that was interesti... |
I like seeing different people's perspectives, because Go came out and it was really supposed to be targeting systems-level people: C, C++ and all of us dynamic people just kind of swarmed. We were like, "Sweet! Goodbye Ruby!" A lot of people have been coming in from that world, so I'd like having that take from somebo... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I just dropped the link to the article that infuriated me in our Slack channel. Anger. Much, much anger. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I haven't read it; I'll read it later, maybe... But I can't even get angered because what you said that the article said doesn't even make sense. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** No, it doesn't, and this show shouldn't be about that, so we should probably move on before I say things I'll regret. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, it could probably turn into its own conversation about that and maybe what he meant... It's hard to say, but it didn't come off well. It was not well spoken. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I think we should have that show though, by the way. I really do. I think it's time for us at GoTime to take on the topic of sexual harassment in the industry and talk about the things that are acceptable and not, and how that's changing in our industry. I think it might be difficult to get guests, ... |
**Erik St. Martin:** And we have an explicit COC for that, too. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, which we used last year, and it was very effective. Very effective. |
**Travis Jeffery:** Did you ever have anybody that violated the COC? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yes. |
**Travis Jeffery:** Do you know how often that was? What happened? |
**Erik St. Martin:** The difficulty is that because it's not reported it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. We've had some instances, nothing major, knock on wood... I really hope that nothing major ever happens, but we tried to do our best to kind of set the expectation of how people should conduct themselves. We tried t... |
\[35:56\] We've been fortunate that there hasn't been anything major, extreme that's happened, but still... Just the whole play on it; it's not even just about that, it's people's perception. It drives me nuts to hear a woman at a conference is asked what sponsored boots she's working; that drives me crazy. Why can't t... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah... I'm booking that show, by the way. I'm putting it in Trello right now. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Let's do it. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** So hit me up on Twitter or email, @bketelson or bketelson@gopheracademy.com, let me know if you wanna be on that show. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Awesome. So with that, I think that it is time for our second sponsored break. Our second sponsor for today is Backtrace. |
**Break:** \[36:52\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** Alright, we are back. We're talking with Travis Jeffery... So we just went over some Go projects and news. Anybody have any other interesting articles or projects that they ran across this week? Or do you guys wanna talk about \#FreeSoftwareFriday stuff? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, goodness... Let me look at my GitHub stars real quick. There's something that I missed, and it was big, and I forgot it. Darn it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I feel like there was something I dropped in our channel earlier this week, and I completely am losing track of what it is. |
**Travis Jeffery:** I don't know if you guys have mentioned this, but it's called gops, another project by Google. It's a command to list and diagnose Go processes currently running on your system. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, JBD was working on that, right? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yes. |
**Erik St. Martin:** That's pretty cool... I think we determined, you have to compile it into your project in order to inspect what's going on in there, but really cool tool. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** One thing we should mention, we are recording this and live on January 19th. Our CFP for GopherCon ends of the 31st of January. If you want to put a talk proposal in for GopherCon, you're running out of time, and trust me, you want to put a talk in for GopherCon. You, out there, humble GoTime FM lis... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Absolutely. |
**Erik St. Martin:** And to that point too, if you submit -- everybody always waits till the end. It's insane - the last 48 hours we probably get two-thirds of our submissions. So number one is if you submit early, the reviewers have time to review it, and if there's feedback, if there's questions, if we don't understa... |
But if you wait till the last 48 hours, nobody will have time to respond back to you to give you feedback as to what you might be able to change to make it more appealing. And also, Dave Cheney wrote a post on the Gopher Academy blog too, giving helpful insight into writing a proposal for the conference. |
\[39:56\] I think that part of that can get misunderstood, too. I think people think that it has to be this crazy, highly technical proposal. I forget that sentence that was getting confused, but the basic idea of it though is we get a lot of one-sentence and two-sentence submissions. None of the reviewers know who you... |
If you say, "I wanna talk about Go logging" and that's your proposal, that's gonna be really hard for the reviewers to be like, "Oh yeah, let's..." Logging may be something that everybody's very interested in seeing something about, but we don't know how well you know that topic, we don't know how you're gonna frame it... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I'm gonna up Dave Cheney and write a blog post about what not to do. \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's a good idea. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Maybe it will be more effective. And by the way, if you don't even mention Go on your proposal, even if it's super detailed, we have no idea if that should be accepted, because we don't know if you're going to talk about Go. So at the very least, you should be mentioning Go in your proposal. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, and just to point a clarification... The reviewers can't see who you are, and in your proposal you should not mention who you are. But it's your job to give us an idea that you know what you're talking about while you write the proposal. It's a fine line you have to walk not to allow us to kno... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, so I think that might be part of the confusion - how do you show you're qualified without giving away who you are? And it's not so much putting down your credentials that we're looking for... If your proposal is well thought out, you have a good premise to it, it's clear what the takeaway is ... |
That's really what we're looking for when we're trying to figure out the qualification to talk, not necessarily the "I've spoken at this conference, this conference... Here's links to me speaking." That's not so much what we're looking for, because I think that if you know your material well, it's easy for you. Not eas... |
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