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I actually see in the Google doc here that that's a clone of Gogs, which I hadn't realized. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, that was a political fork. The Gogs maintainers - there's only one or two of them, and they're not very receptive to changes, to a handful of the community got frustrated and fed up and forked Gogs into Gitea. |
**Joe Doliner:** Interesting. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That was last year, yeah. |
**Joe Doliner:** Okay. So that is quite endemic of open source in general. That's the advantage that GitHub has - GitHub employees aren't gonna get pissed off and fork GitHub, because I don't think they can do that. But there's pros and cons to being open source, but ultimately I think we're gonna want an open source v... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I think so, too. It was funny, I did a live class yesterday for Gopher Academy that was "How to make your first pll request on a Go project", and it was a fun class to do, because I know a lot of people are intimidated, especially in the corporate world, where they don't do a lot of open source work... |
So it was a fun class to give, but one of the things that I found to be almost painfully ironic was the fact that Git is this gigantic, decentralized version control system that is a hundred percent centralized, or maybe 99% centralized at GitHub now. The irony behind that, it kind of hit me funny. |
**Joe Doliner:** Yeah... Linus made us a nice decentralized version controlled system and GitHub was nice enough to centralize it for us, so that someone could monetize it. The irony runs deep in that. |
**Erik St. Martin:** And the hard part about that though is whether it's a new view on a technology, right? Linus developed it as a way of having distributed teams, right? But I think GitHub did put their own little spin on it though. They changed the way developers share code, too. |
\[36:02\] I guess there was SourceForge and things like that before GitHub, but it didn't feel as interactive as GitHub does. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It wasn't at all. GitHub made it social, and that's the big difference, I think. That was huge. And again, that was a vision. That was a group of people who shared a vision for the way something should work, and people bought into that vision and it made Git take off. Before GitHub, Git wasn't that ... |
**Joe Doliner:** No, it wasn't. I feel like I've been hating on GitHub a little bit here for being closed source. What they did for the open source community was amazing. I used SourceForge for a project when I was in college, and it was unbelievable. I couldn't figure out how to do even the simplest things. Even with ... |
It's sort of like what the iPhone was for smartphones, to draw a very clichéd analogy. It just got all of the little pieces right and it just all gelled into a very compelling product. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I'm curious to see how PachHub comes out for you, because that same concept in a big data processing world, whether you're sharing data or whether you're sharing data pipelines or even just small functions that people can add to their data pipelines, it seems like a particularly untapped marke... |
**Joe Doliner:** Yeah, absolutely. That really is our very long-term vision. As you said, this is a big problem, and I think a ton of people know that this is a problem. If you go around Silicon Valley, you'll find tons and tons of startups that are trying to be GitHub for data, and everything that I've seen in that ve... |
So once we've got Git for data and we've figured out how to make that experience good for people, I think we'll have layed a lot of the groundwork for what this GitHub for data can actually look like. But it's also an entirely new set of challenges, and we're gonna have to just grow a lot as a project and as a company ... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's awesome. Well, I hate to make it sound like a bromance, but you've won a new follower with your vision. |
**Joe Doliner:** That sounds great. If it sounds like a bromance, then I'll take that as a good thing. \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think that it's about time for our second sponsored break, and then we'll jump into more projects and news. Our second sponsor for today is Backtrace. |
**Break:** \[39:23\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** And we are back, talking to Joe Doliner. We were just talking about Gitea - I think we came to consensus that's how you pronounce it. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Hopefully... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Somebody will correct us. So we're moving on to our projects and news segment. Anybody have anything interesting that they ran across this week? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Holy cow! |
**Erik St. Martin:** And maybe we can stomp Joe with some stuff he has not seen yet. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** There were a lot of interesting things that came out this week. One of my favorite ones is Wuzz. It's at github.com/asciimoo/wuzz. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I knew you were gonna say that... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** How did you know? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Because you had to Google Hangout me to show it to me. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I did, I was so excited about it. It's like Postman, if you've ever used the Chrome extension Postman for doing curl requests, or whatever. It's a beautiful ASCII interface that you can use directly from your terminal, and you can change headers and you can add payloads and make requests and get res... |
**Joe Doliner:** Looks like it's at four thousand. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, wow. It's shown up almost every day on the Changelog Nightly email I get that shows the top repos for the day. That's a pretty big deal. So it's a great tool. I love it, I've been using it ever since I saw the first release of it a couple days ago, and I will not stop using that one. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, I really like it too, because using curl is great, but every time we have to redo a call, we have to navigate through the line to type things out. With that, you just tap over to the different panes and type in your input or remove things... It's great. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I guess I don't suffer there, because I have the Vim bash setup so I just use Vim commands to jump around and modify it. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** it's pretty nice. |
**Joe Doliner:** I love this... I'm always a fan. I really like these types of command line interface GUI type things. They're sort of a nice middle ground between an actual application I have to open and my command line. I also like it because man, have I spent a lot of time staring at the curl man page, trying to fig... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah. Yesterday there was a point where I think I had five of these windows open, and each one of them was sending a different request or getting a different response, and it's just so beautiful to inspect all of that at once. It made me happy. I love open source projects that solve a simple problem... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I have another project, it's called Ozzo Validation. There is a validation package for Go called GoValidate, which I actually have used, but this one is different because the validation rules don't go together with the struct. With GoValidate you have to do struct tags to specify your validation ... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I played with this one last night. I like it a lot. Struct tags are really easy to abuse and very hard to maintain in general, but Ozzo lets you just have nice, easy to use functions and remove the craziness from your struct tags. I like that one. I made a mental note that I was probably gonna... |
**Joe Doliner:** \[43:54\] It seems like it will have a very good synergy with struct tags, because struct tags are something that happen statically at compile time, if I'm not mistaken. I guess they can have some runtime implications too, but it's stuff that's actually available with a compiler, whereas this is code t... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[laughs\] I could do a whole 40-hour week long class on the awesome ways that you can completely abuse struct tags. I've done them all. It's definitely not just compile time. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, because a lot of the use cases for struct tags actually end up being evaluated dynamically. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah. All of the fun ones. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah. But you could use these things with code generators too, so you could generate the code better than \[unintelligible 00:44:47.12\] later by reflection. |
**Joe Doliner:** Yeah, that is very true. In fact, you can further abuse struct tags that way if you want to. |
**Erik St. Martin:** That seems to be where people end up using reflection a lot, just because they wanna look at struct tags, but... I could be wrong there, too. I try to avoid reflection as much as possible. |
**Joe Doliner:** Yeah. Reflection is a great thing in the human world and a pretty bad thing in the programming world. |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[laughs\] One thing that I would love to see still in the validation world is somebody needs to compete with Melissa Data. Like, please. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, god... Melissa Data. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, validating names and being able to do... |
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