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**Brian Ketelsen:** Addresses. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, addresses, zip codes, mapping phone numbers to zip code, determining gender from names, and things like that. It's still a lot of C. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Speaking of blasphemy, I think that was a 2 GB Docker container. |
**Erik St. Martin:** It was ten. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Ten gigabytes? Oh... I remember it took an entire afternoon to push it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** This is one of the things that we had to do for our data pipelines - run all the data through Melissa to both standardize... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yes, standardize, validate, cleanse... Ugh. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Anybody who can come up with a modern API for data cleansing and validation that is as fast as Melissa is will make millions of dollars. |
**Erik St. Martin:** There was SmartyStreets, but you couldn't do that on premise. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, and SmartyStreets was fast, too. For a hosted solution, it was really fast. They had some really nice magic behind the scenes that did -- I don't remember... We did a conference call with them; they told us how they did it so fast and it was impressive. But it was hosted, and that kind of kill... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I came across an article, for anybody who's interested in the new dep tool that is rumored to become part of Go itself, by Edward Muller who was on the team with Peter Bourgon... Who else was on that? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Sam Boyer... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Jess Frazelle... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Jess and Andrew Gerrand... |
**Erik St. Martin:** They were all on a team collectively trying to come up with a solution to the Go dependency problem. He released an article we will put on Twitter and link in the show notes, called Dep 101, that walks through the use of that tool. We actually have Sam Boyer booked for the end of the month, which m... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[47:49\] Yeah, you know there's a lot of math behind that... Just think about the dependency chain and the graphs behind all of that - there's gotta be way more math that I'm interested in doing. |
**Joe Doliner:** It's a very hard problem too, because if you're not careful, you accidentally wind up solving an NP-complete problem, and then your tool just grinds to a halt. So you have to figure out how to do it very efficiently. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** GPS, that's the name of the tool. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** GPS, yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** It's the packaging solver. |
**Joe Doliner:** This is probably one of the things I'm most excited about in the future of Go. I think the biggest unsolved problem in Go right now is dependency management, and that's sort of a constant struggle for us at Pachyderm - keeping our dependencies in sync with the outside world, consuming changes and then ... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I think it's a problem everywhere, though. |
**Joe Doliner:** It is. Different languages have solved this to different degrees, and a lot of times people tell you it's a little bit rosier than it is. I hear that life is really good in Rustland - I think they have Cargo, or something... But there's a lot of inherent problems to dependency management that you can't... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, I agree. Cargo has done a pretty good job, but the problem I've seen in the Rust world is less Cargo than it is the fast-moving breaking APIs of Rust itself. Even today... I know when I was playing with Rust two years ago you couldn't pick up a piece of Rust code that you found on the internet... |
**Erik St. Martin:** And even before Go 1.0 was the Gofix tool, which I was so grateful for. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** What a sweet tool. |
**Joe Doliner:** Yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I only remember one release that I had to fix stuff, and that was the one where they introduced... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Wasn't it the HTTP...? Something in HTTP? |
**Erik St. Martin:** No, it was basically when characters changed from int.. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, to runes? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, and that was it. Because they couldn't make the determination whether it was really supposed to be an integer or whether it was supposed to be a character, so they kind of left you on your own there. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Talk about Go and old school, Erik and I have had Go in production since like R56. |
**Joe Doliner:** Wow! |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Long before Go 1.0. \[laughs\] |
**Joe Doliner:** I haven't been using Go anywhere near that long. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I don't know whether to be proud of that... |
**Joe Doliner:** You should be proud of that! |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It was pretty awesome. |
**Erik St. Martin:** ...or whether we should be shamed for taking that kind of risk. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It worked, it solved the business problem. So another interesting project that isn't really new, but something that the more I think about it, the more it excites me is the Gogland IDE from JetBrains. I'm not an IDE sort of user, but it occurred to me with my Gopher Academy hat on that the availabil... |
I'm very excited to see this one come out. I've played with it a little bit, and it really is high quality. They've got features and code analysis tools that don't exist in the open source world in terms of Vim and Emacs, so I'm very excited to see Gogland come out and be such a well-supported, high-quality product. I ... |
**Joe Doliner:** Yeah, I agree, and I think the best example you can see of that is Java. So much of Java's success in the enterprise is the fact that they've got really good IDEs, like Eclipse and JetBrains, that just allow a much wider audience of people to use the languages. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[51:53\] Any other exciting news and products or projects that we've come across this week? I can't think of anything else. I know there's been a lot, but I just can't think of anything big and exciting. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** There is a lot. \[laughs\] I stopped to read a couple newsletters this week and I was amazed by how much stuff there is. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I saw a release of Vim-go Debug. I don't remember who made it; I'm sure somebody on the GoTime Slack channel will have a link to it before I can even finish this sentence... I saw the nice video on... |
**Erik St. Martin:** It's Jodosha... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Joe who? |
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