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**Brian Ketelsen:** So there's a big, big issue with the update of MacOS to 10.12..4 and Xcode 8.3. Apparently -- I'm not sure if I have this completely correct, but if you build a binary that has cgo enabled in one way or another, which might mean something as simple as an import of something that imports SQLite, the ... |
So if you are using Go and haven't yet updated to the latest MacOS, hold off on that for a little bit. I know that there's going to be a fix. Actually, there's already a fix committed in Go's source repository, but there hasn't yet been a release of Go 1.8.1, but there will be shortly, to fix that. |
So that's a big deal. It isn't often that operating systems break our programming language. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I already updated, but fortunately I develop off of Linux, so I never note... \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I updated too, and the day of the update I had to do a remote teaching, so I just did it from Linux and it was fine. |
**Erik St. Martin:** You know, I'm terrible about the updates, too... Whenever there's new stuff, I'm like "I want it, I want it now. I don't care what breaks, I'll figure it out." |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Exactly. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So one of the other things too, speaking of conferences and stuff, is [Golang UK](https://www.gophercon.co.uk/) has their CFP open. That will run until 30th April, so based on today's recording date, that's basically a month to get proposals in for anybody who would like to speak there. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I'm gonna put a proposal in for that. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, that's a nice conference, I was there last year. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I still haven't made it. Have you been to any other Go conferences, Wally? |
**Wally Quevedo:** I've been to the meetups in San Francisco, but conferences - not yet. GopherCon will be the first one. Oh, well definitely I've been at GoCon. I was at the first Go conferences from Japan. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, that's nice. |
**Wally Quevedo:** Yeah. Actually, GoCon is part of an event for dating, so that's why it became GoCon - Go conference. \[laughter\] So yeah, it's very funny when you see the \#GoCon, because it gets mixed with this... Yeah, it's very fun to \[unintelligible 00:27:01.29\] \[laughter\] |
So I was there at the GoCon from 2013, and then I met [Dave Cheney](https://twitter.com/davecheney) on the next one, he was talking there. So yeah, I've been at those, but my first GopherCon would be the one this year. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Awesome, you're in for a treat. |
**Wally Quevedo:** Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It's gonna be big. |
**Erik St. Martin:** All the other conferences are awesome, but my opinion's biased. \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** So speaking of GopherCon, we announced our workshops for the day before the conference this year; those are all up on the website and available for sale. There are six workshops that have a variety of different topics, they are very low-cost, and they have limited seating. So if you're looking for s... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** \[28:04\] I'm definitely doing one of those... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Spoken like a person who built that website. |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[laughs\] So I've been really heads down the past week with some work stuff, but I haven't really seen a whole lot of projects that I thought were interesting... And that's mainly just because I haven't been looking. One of them I did find was [Go ERD](https://github.com/gmarik/go-erd) (Entity Rel... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** So how does that work? Does it use the types and navigate through the AST, determining how the types relate to each other? |
**Erik St. Martin:** You know, I'm not really sure how it's implemented, but Go has a lot of stuff in their standard library for parsing the abstract syntax tree and stuff, so I'm imagining it's using the Go library for that. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Say "abstract syntax tree" seven times fast. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Right... \[laughs\] No wonder people call it just AST for short... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** But this looks really cool, I just pulled up the GitHub. That's awesome. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I saw that project and I think it's awesome. I'm always running a tool or another to produce ERDs, because if I'm dealing with a database I wanna see all of the entities. So it's definitely very cool to have that in Go. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I love it, that's really cool. I'm gonna have to check that out. Oh... Oh-oh-oh, this is big! [Vim-Go 1.12](https://github.com/fatih/vim-go) was released. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Oh, yeah, yeah... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I didn't know what the difference is, because I always run off of master and update it every day, because I -- just that way... \[laughter\] So I couldn't tell you what's different between 1.11 and 1.12, but it's getting pretty darn amazing. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** He keeps a very good and well-organized changelog. It's in the repo somewhere. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So what's your editor of choice, Wally? |
**Wally Quevedo:** It has to be Emacs. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Emacs? Nice. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Nice! |
**Wally Quevedo:** Yeah, I'm a big Org-mode person. Actually, if you push a .org document in GitHub, I'm "maintaining" the library that's rendering to HTML. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, wow. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So what do Emacs users use that's kind of equivalent to Vim-Go? Is that just the normal stuff that's part of the Go repo? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** No, there's a Go-mode... Go-mode, writted by Domink Honnef. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Nice. |
**Wally Quevedo:** Yeah, I'm good with the Go-mode. It has integrated the go fmt, goimports... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I know this because I played with Emacs two or three weeks ago. I tried it for a day... There's a lot of Control going on there; Control this, control... I think somebody had some control issues. \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** I tried it years ago only a little bit, but it's kind of hard because I think that there's value in learning things like Emacs and Vim, but once you've learned one, there's not as much value to switch. You gain so much efficiency from using either one of them, that you're like "Is it really gonna b... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Well, it's all the demos of Emacs that make me still want to learn it. I know Org-mode is a really big deal, and [Chase Adams](https://twitter.com/chaseadamsio), our long-time listener - Hi, Chase! - keeps tweeting about how much fun he's having with Emacs. And he switched, so... I don't know, I'm g... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, that's probably the bigger issue - I need to get stuff done. So it's probably about time for our second sponsor break. Our second sponsor for today is The Ultimate Go Training Series. |
**Break:** \[31:54\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** Alright, we are back, talking to Wally Quevedo from Apcera. So we were going through projects, news... Anybody else have any other projects they wanted to talk about? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, I wanted to mention Nate Finch's blog post about his [three and a half years at Canonical](https://npf.io/2017/03/3.5yrs-500k-lines-of-go/), and 500,000 lines of Go code as part of the Juju project. |
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