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**Solomon Hykes:** Oh, yeah. So that's part of the exciting part of Moby - we now have with the Moby project a nice framework to split up the Docker platform into distinct components that each are more specialized, like Containerd, Containerd being the best example of that. Each of these components is almost like a lit... |
Once upon a time, we tried to write our own RPC layer for that... We had a project early on at DotCloud called ZeroRPC, and then we did a lot of experiments with extending that with HTTP/2, and SPDY before HTTP/2 existed. So I've always been a big fan of finding the right RPC layer, but we never had time to really push... |
Containerd is a gRPC interface... It's just popping up, so it's a pragmatic choice of just picking an RPC layer for the low-level interfaces. The fact that you can generate all the clients and SDKs etc. is really nice. |
\[01:04:06.29\] The existing Docker API is a higher-level API, and it's currently and HTTP REST API. Right now we're working out what's the roadmap for that API. The absolute priority is to not break existing users. So there will continue to be an HTTP REST API, just because our current users and ecosystem use it and w... |
So it's more of a going forward for all new APIs. We're starting with gRPC by default, because that's what people are using in our particular community, but yeah... That's it. If you're interested in discussing any of this, by the way, you should join the Moby forums - [forums.mobyproject.org](https://forums.mobyprojec... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** That's another good question, too - any closing thoughts? We're near the end, but that's a great plug there... If you have a discussion you wanna have, that's a great place to go, but anything else you wanna share, Solomon, before we tail out the show? Any closing thoughts, any words of wisdom back ... |
**Erik St. Martin:** ... contributing to Docker? |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Yeah. |
**Solomon Hykes:** Yeah, I would say the whole point of Moby was to take the project or the collection of projects to the next level. If you're interested in any way, or if you're on the fence on contributing, I think now is actually an excellent time to contribute, because Moby is a sign that we're investing more in t... |
Especially if you're an open source first-timer, one thing we've seen is even experienced programmers can really hesitate to make their first contribution to open source; it's a big leap of faith to take, it's unfamiliar... Sometimes you get the feeling that it's kind of a club and you may not be welcome, maybe there's... |
We made a lot of efforts early on in the beginning of Docker to make it a really cool place to do your first open source contributions, and I would like Moby to do that, too. So if you're interested in any way, show up and we'll talk about that together. |
**Erik St. Martin:** And I'd like to add one more note to that contribution - don't feel discouraged if your pull request goes a long period of time. There's so many pull requests on Docker that it can take a month before it makes it through there. I've had my own sit, waiting for staff. It's just... The project is so ... |
**Solomon Hykes:** Yeah, and there's -- if you go to the Docker documentation, there's a whole section on how to contribute, and we're gonna continue to maintain that section. We also organize events, special Docker meetups where you can show up and there's a mentoring where we help you pick a contribution that's the r... |
So these events can be a really good way to get started in open source in general. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** \[01:07:07.20\] I'm really bummed we didn't actually talk about why Moby, why the name Moby, but we'll leave that for a different conversation... I just wanted to throw that out there, because naming is the hardest thing, right? |
**Solomon Hykes:** Yeah, it's the name of the mascot. About two years ago we opened up a voting, we asked the community to pick a name for the mascot, for the whale, and the community picked MobyDoc. Now, two years later, we're creating a project and we want the connection to Docker to be clear, but we also want it to ... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Easy said... Nice. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So I think we are overtime here, but it's been so great to have you on the show, Solomon. I'm really excited that you got a chance to hop on and talk to us about Docker. |
**Solomon Hykes:** It was my pleasure. Thank you for having me, I love talking about this stuff. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Hopefully we can keep getting you on as Docker continues to grow and take over the ops world, and development world. |
**Solomon Hykes:** I would love that. Anytime! |
**Erik St. Martin:** And thanks everybody else for being on the show - Carlisia and Adam for popping out from behind the curtain to chat with us. |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Anytime! |
**Erik St. Martin:** Huge shoutout to our sponsor, Toptal, for sponsoring the show. Definitely share the show with fellow Go programmers. You can find us on [GoTime.fm](http://gotime.fm), you can subscribe to our weekly email there... We are on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/GoTimeFM), and if you wanna be on the show, h... |
**Adam Stacoviak:** Laterz! |
**Carlisia Thompson:** This was great! Thanks, Solomon. |
**Solomon Hykes:** Thank you. |
• Introduction of guests and episode 58 |
• Dmitri Shuralyov's introduction as @shurcooL on Twitter, GitHub, and his work in the Go community |
• Dmitri's background and experience in programming, starting with video game development at age 13 and working on experimental projects |
• His transition from developing tools to focusing on open source Go code full-time, self-funded by his own savings |
• Discussion of his endgame and goals for this break, including possibly finishing or taking existing projects to a higher level |
• Dmitri Shuralyov's endgame is to create tools that don't exist yet in the Go ecosystem. |
• He has an intermediate plan with step-by-step goals rather than a complete vision. |
• Conception was his original project, started as an IDE for C++, but evolved into an experimental platform for working with Go code. |
• The Conception platform was a 2D canvas with widgets that could be connected and updated in real-time. |
• Dmitri learned valuable lessons about existing systems and their strengths during the Conception project. |
• He is known for putting packages directly into GitHub Gists, but has since removed his own gists and encourages others to delete theirs. |
• Discussion of whether "gif" and "gist" are different words |
• Dmitri Shuralyov's open-source projects and priorities |
• WebAssembly and its potential for Go development |
• Current state of Go-to-WebAssembly compilation, with Gopher.js mentioned |
• GraphQL and its adoption in GitHub's API, with a new Go client project |
• Discussion around GraphQL and its adoption |
• Using Vecty for front-end development in Go |
• Need for reporting or visualization tools in Go |
• Example projects using Vecty, such as Sourcegraph and Go Play Space |
• Current state of Gotham Go conference and its talks (including Steve Francia's talk) |
• Comparison between Go and other languages with more mature ecosystems |
• Discussion about Go 2 and potential changes to the language |
• Preference for stability and simplicity over new features |
• Ross Cox's talk on the approach to Go 2 as a series of incremental, backwards-compatible updates |
• Importance of maturity and consistency in programming languages |
• Value of abstraction and layering in software development |
• Simplicity as a desirable outcome in programming language design |
• Generics as a feature that can hinder readability and understanding of code |
• Balance between features and simplicity in programming languages |
• Discussion of Scala and its features |
• Comparison of C++ and Go, including code density and maintainability |
• Dmitri Shuralyov shares his experience maintaining over 100,000 lines of Go code |
• Importance of readability in coding languages |
• Security releases for Go 1.9.1 and 1.8.4 |
• Discussion of the Skylark project and its use in Bazel |
• Introduction to a new Lua interpreter written in Go |
• Embedding scripting languages in Go applications |
• Colly (Go web scraping utility) |
• Tyler Treat's talk on performance at StrangeLoop conference |
• Shoutouts to contributors and projects: |
+ Byobu wrapper for tmux or Screen |
+ Go documentation examples feature (godoc) |
+ Brad's contributions to the Go team, including pushing for a security update patch release |
• GopherCI, a continuous code quality CI system for Go |
• Dmitri's appreciation for Bradley Falzon and his project |
• Open source aspect of GopherCI |
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