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**Erik St. Martin:** I think we should make this fair, too... We're gonna go around the virtual room here - if you are not writing code, Brian, what would you be doing? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I'd be a professional hitman. \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** I was not expecting that one. |
**Luna Duclos:** I was expecting a full-time barbecue shop, actually. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** There's no money in that... It's interesting, most of my older family members are in the restaurant business, and the restaurant industry has almost a Maslow's hierarchy of types of food, and barbecue is the lowest demand food when there is a recession in place. People eat barbecue last when there's... |
Besides, I think you'd lose a lot of the fun if you were cooking for a paycheck instead of just cooking for the whole neighborhood, like I do. |
**Luna Duclos:** That's true. |
**Erik St. Martin:** What's really interesting about that though is it's the reverse of what you would expect. Barbecue actually started out in very poor areas, because you've got things like, the front quarter of a cow was almost waste for a long time, and they would just chop it up and grind it up and make sausage ou... |
\[48:06\] Then it was somewhere along the line people started traveling to areas and tasting barbecue and being like "Oh my god, I love this!" and brisket went from 70 cents/pound to -- I don't even know what is it, like $700/pound now... It's ridiculous. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Eight million dollars a pound... |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[laughs\] So it's kind of crazy that it's reversed like that, because the best way you could feed the most amount of people was to take a pig and throw the pig on... |
Carlisia, you're not getting out of this... What would you be doing? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** \[laughs\] The banter gave me time to think... I would be a professional investor, looking for opportunities to invest in things that would be not only profitable, but good to a certain standard - I'm not gonna get into it; I don't even know what that means. But whatever I think would generate go... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think it'd be a lot of fun. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** If I win the lottery, I will definitely become an investor. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** What about you, Erik? |
**Erik St. Martin:** Oh, I started this, I don't have to answer the question. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, yeah, you do! |
**Luna Duclos:** Yes, you do... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** You could be my handler. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I don't know, it's really hard though... The investment thing would be fun; I love doing community and conference related stuff... Maybe something in information security probably. The hard part is know people in the field and I know the different roles and some of the stuff that you wouldn't wanna... |
Alright, I'm gonna go with that inventing stuff. Just sitting around with gadgets and electronics and coding, and just trying to solve problems. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** You could be Q for me. That'd be awesome! |
**Erik St. Martin:** I could be Q? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Q... You know, like James Bond. He walks into the room and Q gives him new tech gadgets... \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** Can I claim that I didn't know what they were being used for? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Sure. If it ever comes to a congressional committee, don't worry, you'll never make it to trial. |
**Erik St. Martin:** "He said it was for hunting... He didn't say people!" \[laughter\] Alright, did anybody have any other cool things they wanna talk about? Or do we wanna do \#FreeSoftwareFriday? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yes, we have to do \#FreeSoftwareFriday because I have a huge shoutout that everybody's gonna be blown away by, surprised! \[laughter\] |
**Luna Duclos:** I'm eagerly waiting for that one! |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Are you ready? So my \#FreeSoftwareFriday shoutout is to - drum roll, please - [Webpack](https://webpack.js.org/)! And the reason it's to Webpack is because the documentation on their website is some of the absolute best documentation I've ever seen. I was whining about Webpack on Twitter, and three... |
It looks like the docs are community-sourced, so everybody in the Webpack community, thank you for all those fantastic documents. Nice! |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think owe tremendous gratitude to anybody who works on documentation, because we all need it, and rarely do any of us want to actually contribute to the documentation. I think we have to show love to anybody who invests time in giving us great documentation. How about you, Carlisia? |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I don't have one today. |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[51:51\] And Luna... I'm pretty sure you've kind of gathered the gist of this... Every week we give a shoutout to a project or a maintainer (or plurals of those) just to show our love and appreciation. |
**Luna Duclos:** Yeah, my shoutout goes, without the shadow of a doubt, to [Goa](https://goa.design/). Goa is a code generation framework that lets you declare a REST API, and will then generate all the validations, all the routes, all the security wrappers, all the middleware for you, without you having to do a thing. |
It has saved me so much time, and it's taught me a lot by making designing the API an actual, explicit step of my development process, which is lacking in a lot of places where they just slap APIs together and see if it works afterwards, and to hell if it doesn't make sense. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I'm wearing my Goa shirt, so thumbs up to that one. |
**Luna Duclos:** Nice! |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, Brian was preaching Goa for almost a year... What happened, Brian? \[laughter\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Nothing, I still love Goa. I've been following the Goa 2.0 roadmap, and Goa 2.0 is gonna be amazing. They've moved everything into kind of a separation of concerns where your API is separate in the design from the delivery of your API, so you can have a beautiful REST API generated, as well as a nic... |
**Luna Duclos:** I'm looking forward to that. How stable is it actually, do you know? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** The Goa 2.0? It's not done... I was just reading the docs last night; it's not ready yet, but it's getting close. Knowing how fast Raphael codes, it's probably just a couple hours away, but I guess it's really just maybe two or three weeks based on the way it looked in my code review last night. |
**Luna Duclos:** Very, very nice. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** ...which means I have to rewrite Gorma. Again. |
**Luna Duclos:** I will need to start looking at Goa 2.0 then. |
**Erik St. Martin:** So that goes back to the whole argument about the fear of creating open source projects is you have to maintain them... Because people will start hounding you, like "Why is this not Goa2-compatible?" |
**Luna Duclos:** I've actually experienced the reverse... When I open source things, people make pull requests and fix my bugs for me, without me having to actually do it. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Even that has some overhead, though... |
**Luna Duclos:** That's true. |
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