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**Erik St. Martin:** I get a lot of GitHub chatter, though it ends up in a folder that I rarely check, and then I will feel bad because somebody submitted a pull request or something, and I don't see it for like 9 months... |
**Luna Duclos:** Ouch... |
**Erik St. Martin:** And I'm like, "I'm a terrible person..." \[laughter\] |
**Luna Duclos:** One ritual I have in the morning is when I wake up I go check my GitHub alerts, see if there's anything there. I respond... I can do this before I have my breakfast. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, I need a better schedule, but I feel like the time there... So my \#FreeSoftwareFriday for today is [Helm](https://helm.sh/), which was worked on by the Deis group. I think it might be the first project that got graduated from beta directly into Kubernetes proper. So Helm is a cool tool -- th... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Helm is the bomb. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Helm is awesome. |
**Luna Duclos:** I need to try this. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Because prior to Helm, everybody was pretty much rolling their own stuff. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah, and that's work. I mean, Kubernetes makes your life easier, but not during the part where you're wiring together 62 different Docker files and putting it into YAML format... Oh my gosh! |
**Erik St. Martin:** I still love Kubernetes, because the alternative is still worse. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[56:05\] Oh yeah, don't get me wrong... I'm not complaining. Just saying that's the least favorite part. |
**Erik St. Martin:** You're like, "Oh, man... I have to configure this YAML file to deploy my app" and before it was like, logging into servers... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Right. Well, you know, anything but YAML. Every single time I touch YAML, there is a space somewhere, or a tab somewhere that beats me. Anything but YAML. |
**Luna Duclos:** You realize that `kubectl` can eat up JSON files as well, right? You don't have to use YAML if you don't wanna. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I did know that, yes. And now they have nice YAML verification built into the latest `kubectl`, so it's not as bad as it used to be. But when I was a kid, back before Kubernetes was 1.0... Yeah, it was eating my lunch all day long. |
**Luna Duclos:** Fair enough, |
**Erik St. Martin:** So on the question of what would you be doing - it wouldn't be Python programming, right? Even your spaces... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh, are you talking to me? \[laughter\] No... Actually, that's the biggest reason that I've never enjoyed Python, is because all of that white space means something. Stop, don't do that to me. Bad! |
**Luna Duclos:** I used to love Python back when I was at school, and after school I went kind of like, "No, I don't actually want to use this to make real things! Too scary!" |
**Erik St. Martin:** I don't mind it... I guess I don't really have hatred for any language; I just prefer some languages over others. |
**Luna Duclos:** Oh, don't get me wrong, it's not actually because of the white space in my case... It's more the weak typing and all the errors being runtime, rather than compile time. That kind of stuff scares me. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I've never had a runtime issue in production. If this was on video, my nose just grew, you know, like a mile long... \[laughter\] I love that about Go; you gain a lot of that stuff from dynamic languages, the way we write software and think about writing software, but that compile time safety is so... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It is. |
**Luna Duclos:** Oh, yeah... |
**Erik St. Martin:** You can't do that, you cannot pass a string where an integer is expected. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I tell you what, though... I was working on like a live admin app for [Buffalo](https://gobuffalo.io/en) this weekend with Ashley McNamara, we were pairing on it on Saturday, trying to figure out a way to make it really nice, like Django admin or Rails Active Admin, but for Buffalo, and I actually h... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I guess it depends on the type of stuff you work on. There are some fields and problem spaces where I could see generics needing to be used regularly, but for most of us, we're like "Oh, that sucks... I wish I had generics", and we're like "Yeah, but there's another way, and I only have to do this ... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah. |
**Erik St. Martin:** In code generation it helps. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Well, that's what I did. Instead of doing any generics, I just wrote a code generator that wrote a code generator, and now I'm done. |
**Erik St. Martin:** But who wrote the code generator? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I did. \[laughter\] Which came first? The code or the generator? The answer is the rooster. \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** Carlisia, you're awfully quiet today. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** I am, I don't know why. \[laughs\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** She's contemplating who she's gonna hire me to hit first. \[laughter\] |
**Carlisia Thompson:** No, man... Sorry, you'd be out of business if you depended on me. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I'm gonna be starving. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** World's shortest-lived hitman. |
**Erik St. Martin:** \[59:59\] I think you should just stick to popping gators with pellet guns. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Shhhh... This is a PG show. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Says the wannabe hitman... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** \[laughs\] And we're done, so thanks everybody for coming to GoTime. Don't forget to hit us on GoTime.fm/ping, or something... \[laughter\] Oh, Erik... That was supposed to be our secret. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Remember, children... Don't shoot at alligators, but you can shoot at people. \[laughs\] |
**Brian Ketelsen:** So the back-story here is that there's a seven-foot gator in the pond behind our house - right behind my house, and I've got a BB gun and every time he comes near my shore, I shoot him in the butt because he needs to stay away from my family. This has been going on for about a week now. And you know... |
I'm hoping that at some point shortly he's going to learn, "Hey, the South shore of this lake is a really painful place to be", and he just won't come back. Because he's getting too big. Seven feet is big enough to eat my dog. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Now, what if you're not there? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Well, somebody else will have to shoot him, I don't know... |
**Luna Duclos:** I don't know anything about the U.S., but don't big gators eventually get shot or picked up by a zoo, or something? |
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