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[1640.82 --> 1642.94] I misspoke, but you can look them up. |
[1642.94 --> 1644.32] Sorry, I interrupted your entire thing. |
[1644.76 --> 1645.30] Oh, it's okay. |
[1645.30 --> 1655.38] I think that it's getting, um, a lot more spread out and there's not really any, I mean, it's |
[1655.38 --> 1659.02] hard to put on conferences of that scale. |
[1659.02 --> 1665.78] I think that the closest that I've been to where I felt that really like, I mean, every |
[1665.78 --> 1670.12] conference that I go to is pretty much, they're all really great, but there's just something |
[1670.12 --> 1678.30] special that hasn't been matched for me aside from like Nordic JS and Nordic JS like goes |
[1678.30 --> 1684.78] all out and it's a different environment, obviously, cause it's not here in the United |
[1684.78 --> 1685.38] States. |
[1685.38 --> 1687.74] But I mean, it's great. |
[1687.74 --> 1693.54] I think that there's also like a lot more speakers now, like people realized, Hey, people |
[1693.54 --> 1694.94] are, people are doing that. |
[1695.06 --> 1695.80] I want to do it too. |
[1695.88 --> 1697.82] Cause I mean, that's what I did. |
[1698.20 --> 1703.16] Um, I wouldn't, I guess this is a good segue into how you can speak at conferences. |
[1703.16 --> 1708.32] Um, Jen Schiffer was like, Hey, Rachel, if you want to speak at conferences, you should |
[1708.32 --> 1709.16] just submit a talk. |
[1709.20 --> 1710.94] And I did and it got accepted. |
[1711.24 --> 1712.86] And so I had to build a robot. |
[1713.54 --> 1717.28] And then I spoke at JSConf last call and it was awesome. |
[1717.28 --> 1718.62] And I was like, this is fun. |
[1718.74 --> 1726.40] And I think that the best thing about speaking is being able to like get people excited about |
[1726.40 --> 1732.52] something that they may not have been exposed to previously and, you know, inspiring people |
[1732.52 --> 1738.30] to, to try something new or that they are capable of doing whatever it is that you are |
[1738.30 --> 1739.02] talking about. |
[1739.02 --> 1744.22] Um, and I think that there's this weird stigma that people that speak at conferences are a |
[1744.22 --> 1747.30] little bit like, what's the right word that I'm thinking of? |
[1747.30 --> 1753.96] Like, like we're special or, or it's not like something that is hard to achieve, but I don't |
[1753.96 --> 1758.22] really think it is as long as you apply yourself and you're, you're passionate about what you're |
[1758.22 --> 1759.86] speaking about, you know? |
[1760.50 --> 1761.20] Yeah, I agree. |
[1761.46 --> 1768.22] Um, I, I also got into speaking via just the open section of conferences where you not even |
[1768.22 --> 1769.22] like submit a talk. |
[1769.22 --> 1774.06] Like it's the, uh, it wasn't a five minute, it wasn't a lightning talk, but I think it was, |
[1774.06 --> 1777.90] you know, like a 15 minute style, just people sign up throughout the whole day. |
[1778.22 --> 1779.28] It's a third track. |
[1779.74 --> 1783.94] And I think that's a, if you want to get your feet wet, that's a really good time to go. |
[1783.96 --> 1789.88] Um, and try it and then maybe speak at a local meetup, uh, and then submit a talk. |
[1789.92 --> 1792.48] If you, if you want to just go slowly, absolutely. |
[1792.66 --> 1797.44] If you're interested in, you think you can do it, then, uh, then just submit. |
[1797.56 --> 1803.00] So I have a, I have a game I'd like to play, speak, attend stream. |
[1803.62 --> 1809.18] Uh, so we'll say three conferences, uh, which one would you speak at? |
[1809.26 --> 1810.36] Which one would you attend? |
[1810.42 --> 1811.48] And which one would you stream? |
[1812.26 --> 1812.78] Oh yeah. |
[1812.78 --> 1813.48] Let's play. |
[1814.34 --> 1815.02] Michael, you're up. |
[1815.50 --> 1815.86] Okay. |
[1815.92 --> 1817.58] Well, you got to throw the conferences at me, right? |
[1817.58 --> 1818.86] Oh, I have to give you the three conferences. |
[1819.36 --> 1819.70] Okay. |
[1820.00 --> 1820.30] Yeah. |
[1821.42 --> 1831.20] A Jackson in 2009, the second pirate themes JSConf and TXJS, uh, 2015. |
[1831.20 --> 1833.72] I'll let you see here. |
[1833.80 --> 1833.92] Okay. |
[1834.12 --> 1844.02] So, uh, attend would be TXJS because I'd like to just relax and enjoy Austin and not have |
[1844.02 --> 1844.62] to give a talk. |
[1844.98 --> 1851.46] Uh, speaking would definitely be the, um, the early JS comps because there was just a lot |
[1851.46 --> 1855.36] of perks of being a speaker back then, even more than today, probably. |
[1855.36 --> 1859.76] Um, and stream a Jackson cause who gives a what? |
[1860.18 --> 1863.08] That was the only conference that was, that was the jam. |
[1863.54 --> 1865.70] Uh, that was huge though. |
[1865.74 --> 1869.80] I mean like, like the, like the difference between like in a, in a thousand person conference, |
[1869.80 --> 1872.50] seeing a talk live and seeing it streamed is just not that big. |
[1872.50 --> 1873.18] Yeah. |
[1873.18 --> 1879.52] That was like the first time you had John Resig, Douglas Crockford, Brendan Eich, and like |
[1879.52 --> 1881.06] one of the Mutuals people. |
[1881.32 --> 1885.96] Oh, and Andrew DuPont all on the same stage, just arguing about frameworks or whatever. |
[1886.12 --> 1887.94] It was, uh, terrible. |
[1888.22 --> 1888.66] Exactly. |
[1889.94 --> 1894.88] It was the first time something that terrible ever existed, which is kind of like, you |
[1894.88 --> 1901.54] know, car, car wreck situation is, uh, I, I, I thought it was, uh, pretty magical at |
[1901.54 --> 1903.94] the time, even though I wouldn't attend it currently. |
[1904.22 --> 1906.74] 2009 was a different lay of the land. |
[1907.68 --> 1915.74] Um, I, I guess somebody asked about like non JS conferences and I really actually haven't |
[1915.74 --> 1918.02] attended many non JS conferences. |
[1918.48 --> 1921.32] Um, so I'm going to defer to, to you two. |
[1921.40 --> 1925.42] I've heard good things about like OSCON and some other things like that, but. |
[1925.82 --> 1926.70] It's a pretty different beast. |
[1926.70 --> 1933.00] I think, uh, there are lots of like full stack conferences and then the core language conferences |
[1933.00 --> 1936.08] of almost every language are usually pretty great. |
[1936.08 --> 1942.48] Like Ruby has some, like, I think a lot of the conferences in JavaScript that are great |
[1942.48 --> 1947.18] actually kind of stem from the style of conferences that the Ruby community, I think Chris has |
[1947.18 --> 1950.80] admitted as much that, uh, uh, I don't know which Ruby. |
[1950.80 --> 1951.34] Yeah. |
[1951.34 --> 1954.64] Ruby friend is kind of where he was like, Hey, this is a cool model. |
[1955.24 --> 1957.74] Um, and so I think a lot of the Ruby conferences are very good. |
[1957.96 --> 1964.20] Um, as well as like, uh, some of the full stack conferences and, um, like go has a good |
[1964.20 --> 1967.14] conference, go for con and, and, and all those things. |
[1967.14 --> 1972.08] I think there are lots of good community and kind of the more open source languages, uh, |
[1972.08 --> 1976.26] often have like similarly valued conferences. |
[1976.26 --> 1976.74] Yeah. |
[1976.90 --> 1984.48] I've heard excellent things about, um, strange loop, which is in St. Louis and full stack |
[1984.48 --> 1987.24] fast in Barcelona and rev conf in Virginia. |
[1987.56 --> 1993.76] And, um, a bunch of those other ones that don't really focus on any specific language. |
[1993.76 --> 1998.92] I think that you can get a lot more interesting, um, hybrids of talks when you have that kind |
[1998.92 --> 2002.08] of balance, even though I don't know, cause I've never gotten to any. |
[2002.08 --> 2006.36] So I would say that there's really kind of two classes of conferences that you really |
[2006.36 --> 2007.78] have to look at and treat differently. |
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