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[2008.34 --> 2012.98] One is the community conferences that we've been talking about, which the whole JS comp |
[2012.98 --> 2016.92] family is really like developers in the developer community decide that they want to do a community |
[2016.92 --> 2017.78] event for their community. |
[2018.30 --> 2024.90] And then there are really huge events that are run usually by media companies or by Google |
[2024.90 --> 2026.78] or Google or somebody like that. |
[2026.84 --> 2027.04] Right. |
[2027.14 --> 2030.90] Like then they're, they're completely, they're very, very different. |
[2030.90 --> 2035.64] And if you're thinking about speaking, I would say that, you know, like speaking in an O'Reilly |
[2035.64 --> 2040.64] event is more likely to maybe get you a job or to talk to people that will hire you potentially, |
[2040.86 --> 2044.22] um, then say like a two or 300 person community event. |
[2044.64 --> 2049.46] Um, but if you're looking to sort of like make friends and become more engaged in the community |
[2049.46 --> 2055.42] and, um, and really kind of like have, have a community impact, um, attending or speaking |
[2055.42 --> 2058.14] at the smaller community events is just a world different. |
[2058.14 --> 2064.22] But also in terms of quality of content, the quality is much higher in the community events |
[2064.22 --> 2068.42] because they don't have a bunch of sponsor talks that they had to sell in order to make |
[2068.42 --> 2069.40] the funding model work. |
[2069.50 --> 2074.74] They don't have, um, I mean, like, like, look, I mean, we've, me and Alex have been running |
[2074.74 --> 2075.78] conferences for a long time. |
[2075.78 --> 2081.24] And for, for a while, if you were running a JavaScript or a node event, you were the only |
[2081.24 --> 2081.78] game in town. |
[2081.84 --> 2083.04] There weren't any media companies. |
[2083.04 --> 2086.78] And so these huge companies would come up and they would give us a bunch of money and |
[2086.78 --> 2088.96] they didn't really ask for all the stuff they ask for now. |
[2089.38 --> 2093.30] Now they don't sponsor a lot of the smaller events because there are these bigger events |
[2093.30 --> 2094.84] that are willing to give them like a booth. |
[2095.00 --> 2096.08] Like we don't have booths. |
[2096.14 --> 2096.28] Yeah. |
[2097.76 --> 2102.48] The bigger events are like, hold on, get ready. |
[2102.54 --> 2103.92] Who was ever editing this? |
[2103.98 --> 2105.72] I don't know if this is a word I'm allowed to say. |
[2106.06 --> 2107.84] They're like such a circle jerk. |
[2107.84 --> 2112.62] Like it's the same people doing the same stuff at every O'Reilly thing. |
[2112.78 --> 2118.06] And like, what, I don't need, are the O'Reilly, sorry, O'Reilly, um, just saying like, if they're |
[2118.06 --> 2121.76] recorded, how are they going to charge like a grand for a ticket? |
[2121.76 --> 2124.86] And like, who is even going to those? |
[2124.86 --> 2127.58] Like, is it just like other big companies? |
[2128.18 --> 2128.72] Um, yeah. |
[2128.84 --> 2131.14] So, you know, so I have some answers to that. |
[2131.22 --> 2137.74] Um, but having participated in some of that, so when a ticket costs a grand, |
[2137.84 --> 2140.16] people are not paying for the tickets. |
[2140.56 --> 2147.72] Um, and so I think that is a fundamental reason why the audiences are very different |
[2147.72 --> 2152.06] at the two different conferences is that it's people who often put up their own money to |
[2152.06 --> 2157.84] attend a community conference and then versus people whose company have sent them to a conference |
[2157.84 --> 2158.68] to learn things. |
[2159.14 --> 2162.44] So if you're going to send someone to a conference, you want to send them to the most reputable |
[2162.44 --> 2163.56] one that you can find. |
[2163.56 --> 2167.40] And O'Reilly is a very reputable name in tech education. |
[2167.40 --> 2170.52] And so you're going to send this and there are very big names on that ticket. |
[2170.58 --> 2174.08] And of course, like those people give the same talk every time because like you can't |
[2174.88 --> 2177.96] give 300 different talks in a year if that's your whole job or whatever. |
[2178.52 --> 2183.42] Um, and so I think you end up with an audience that cares a little less because they're not |
[2183.42 --> 2187.32] invested, which isn't to say that there aren't tons and tons of people who care a whole bunch |
[2187.32 --> 2188.50] in those places. |
[2188.50 --> 2192.22] But I think the environment becomes different because it isn't a bunch of people who are |
[2192.22 --> 2195.04] like, uh, necessarily all are on the same page. |
[2195.14 --> 2201.08] It's, uh, people who, and I, I want to be very clear that it's fine if you're a developer |
[2201.08 --> 2206.46] who goes to work programs, isn't interested in spending all your own money and going to |
[2206.46 --> 2209.16] a conference and then like go do the things that you love more. |
[2209.26 --> 2213.66] I think it's perfectly acceptable and good, uh, to have the wide gamut. |
[2213.66 --> 2217.72] But I think one of the reasons the community conferences are different, uh, is because |
[2217.72 --> 2222.34] the, the motivation for going is not my work is sending me here. |
[2222.34 --> 2224.94] It's, I want to learn all these things, uh, myself. |
[2225.12 --> 2227.80] Um, and I think I want to meet these people, right? |
[2227.88 --> 2228.12] Right. |
[2228.20 --> 2228.36] Yeah. |
[2228.90 --> 2235.80] And I guess you're going to get exposed to more passionate like talks versus pitchy talks. |
[2235.88 --> 2237.78] So that makes sense. |
[2237.96 --> 2238.10] Yeah. |
[2238.10 --> 2238.72] I'm a jerk. |
[2238.72 --> 2244.24] I'll also say that like, um, you, you would think that a thousand dollars for a ticket |
[2244.24 --> 2247.70] and in some cases the O'Reilly events have like a hundred thousand dollars for the platinum |
[2247.70 --> 2248.50] membership as well. |
[2248.64 --> 2252.92] You would think that they were just raking in money and, and that's why a lot of the |
[2252.92 --> 2254.00] quality was really low. |
[2254.24 --> 2259.24] But, um, on the organizing side, every time you go into a new 500 person bracket, when |
[2259.24 --> 2264.20] you go from 500 to a thousand people or a thousand people to 1500, you move away from |
[2264.20 --> 2268.52] a lot of different venues and catering options and all of the things that you can do. |
[2268.52 --> 2271.80] You end up costing more money per attendee for lower quality. |
[2272.22 --> 2276.22] Whereas once you get to the size that say like a Google next is where there's like 10,000 |
[2276.22 --> 2281.42] people there, those sandwiches cost like $40 and it's, and they're terrible and there's |
[2281.42 --> 2282.44] just no way out of it. |
[2282.52 --> 2285.98] You're locked into it because there's, there's only three places on the West coast that can |
[2285.98 --> 2287.98] hold you and they know that they have you over a barrel. |
[2288.68 --> 2293.04] So this is, so a lot of what we're talking about for like the quality being higher for, |
[2293.18 --> 2296.76] for the smaller side is a lot of like the, the funding side of it too, where you, |
[2296.76 --> 2298.42] you can make a lot better choices. |
[2298.42 --> 2304.30] Like if you do a two or 300 person event in Portland, you can get the greatest food in |
[2304.30 --> 2306.46] the whole world brought to the event. |
[2306.72 --> 2307.74] It's so good. |
[2308.28 --> 2312.60] Um, but if you do a thousand person event in Portland, you, your, your options are actually |
[2312.60 --> 2313.70] pretty slim and terrible. |
[2314.54 --> 2319.36] Dinosaur JS did something pretty awesome last year for food where they just rented a bunch |
[2319.36 --> 2324.16] of food trucks and had everybody walk to a big park and it was, it was nice, but that's |
[2324.16 --> 2325.44] a smaller community conference. |
[2325.44 --> 2327.66] So that's, that's where you get that. |
[2328.28 --> 2334.96] So if I had one piece of advice for conference organizers around food is be very careful of |
[2334.96 --> 2335.54] food trucks. |
[2335.86 --> 2341.06] Uh, pretty much every food truck situation, including Michael's first foray into food trucks |
[2341.06 --> 2346.14] ends up with, uh, a line that is not gone by the time lunch is over. |
[2346.14 --> 2351.56] Um, so you really have to plan either a food truck that can pre-make everything and just |
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